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Jan. 10, 2015 - The Joe Rogan Experience
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Joe Rogan Experience #597 - Magnus Walker & Alex Ross
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joe rogan
That's it, ladies and gentlemen.
We're live.
We're live with two fucking psychopathic car fanatics here in the lovely valley of Los Angeles.
Magnus Walker and, of course, my friend Alex Ross from Shark Works, who I drove his car yesterday.
I know you've driven his new creation.
That was, without a doubt, the scariest car I've ever driven.
It wasn't the best environment for it, because it was on the canyons, and it's got so much power, you can't really use it on those canyons, because it's just so, by the time you hit the gas, you're hitting the brakes.
Like, you hit the gas, it's like something around 800 horsepower.
alex ross
Around there, yep, give or take, depending what gas you use.
joe rogan
And like 3,200 pounds?
31. 3,100 pounds.
That's fucking ridiculous.
alex ross
It's like a factory sort of GT3 weight with 800 horsepower, you know, gobs of torque, about, you know, 650 to the wheels.
magnus walker
Wait until you're bouncing off the rev limiter, you know, second, third gear.
My experience, second gear on the limiter was 87 miles an hour.
Third was about 25. And then by the time you deep in a fourth, you're just sort of running out of road.
joe rogan
And have you done a top speed on that car yet?
alex ross
You attempted it yesterday.
magnus walker
Well, officially we saw 147 somewhere yesterday and we were not out of fourth gear.
alex ross
So it's probably got to be close to 200. Oh, it goes over 200. Actually, the way that kit works, it's already, just in a turbo car, it already does about 202 in the mile.
So in a lighter two-wheel drive car, it's above that.
I mean, it'll trap 140 in the quarter easy.
It's like a, it does everything, you know?
joe rogan
You know, there's always this thing about cars where people always want to add more power.
And as you guys both know, we're in this weird horsepower war now in the world where every year cars have to, if you have a car that makes 400 horsepower, next year it's got to at least make a little more.
alex ross
Yeah, 400 horsepower is like a Camry right now, right?
joe rogan
Well, yeah.
Well, that BMW M3 that I have, which is a pretty moderate car, 420 horsepower.
magnus walker
Let me tell you the craziest thing I did recently.
Last year in July, I went to Norway to the Gatbol Festival.
I don't know if you've heard of this thing.
joe rogan
No.
magnus walker
I describe it as like Mad Max meets Burning Man on steroids, and it's essentially a DIY drift fest, but essentially these guys, 800 to 1,000 horsepower in a Volvo wagon, and they're drifting sideways around the whole track.
So yeah, the days of 400 horsepower sort of being a benchmark are gone, but I'm sort of the opposite.
I'm the less is more guy, you know.
joe rogan
Yeah, well that's why I thought it was interesting that you take these really cool, old classic 911s, and if you haven't seen the documentary, Urban Outlaw, you gotta check it out.
What is it, about 30 plus minutes?
magnus walker
32 minutes short documentary.
joe rogan
It really got me excited about those old cars.
It's an amazing documentary.
Thank you.
And you know, one of the things that you said, are we down already?
With the audio?
Yeah, we'll work it out.
We have a new setup here.
This is completely new.
magnus walker
It's very high tech.
It's like being at NASA over here.
joe rogan
Well, that's all.
This is a new thing called a TriCaster, and it does everything in HD, but we haven't worked out all the kinks yet.
magnus walker
You mean we're not shooting this on an iPhone or something?
alex ross
I'm sure we'll hear about it on Reddit, and everyone will explain how to work.
joe rogan
It's back up, but is the audio up?
Let me hear it.
Hold on.
Yeah, it's work.
There you go.
magnus walker
Ralph in the corner's got an iPhone.
He can take some great shots with that.
unidentified
Right, Ralph?
alex ross
Yeah.
joe rogan
Ralph's ready to rock.
But your documentary about those old classic 911s and you rebuild them and add your own touches to them.
But your cars, you're working with some of them less than 200 horsepower.
magnus walker
Yeah, I mean, most of my cars are small displays, you know, for those that don't know my collections, basically early 911s from 64 through 73, you know, and that really just covers two litre up to 2.4.
Unlike this mad dog and Englishman right here, Alex, where, you know, too much is never enough.
My background was sort of the opposite, you know.
It was more the sort of giant killer trying to chase down the cars with twice as much power.
It was, to me, a bit more exciting rather than just sort of, you know, flooring it in a straight line.
And you can still get a lot done if a car's set up pretty well, because 277, that's a car I've tracked on and off for 12 years, done a lot of club racing stuff, and it's so dialed in that 220 horsepower is pretty usable in a car that only weighs, let's say, 2250. Weight is such a key thing.
That's what I call a flat foot car.
You can keep your foot planted all the time.
Unlike the GT2, as great as that is, you've got to roll into that amount of power.
Because if you just stomp it, you just spin in.
alex ross
Go off the road.
joe rogan
It's almost too much power.
alex ross
It's like a throttle stop.
magnus walker
I think the challenge is there is trying to be able to modulate and actually get that power down.
It takes a little bit of finesse, because you've sort of got to roll into it.
Because traction control on or off, if you stomp it, it sort of does the same thing.
You're just chirping and spinning and stepping sideways.
joe rogan
Correct me if I'm wrong, with the traction control, do they calculate it based on the horsepower that the engine actually has?
So when you jam it up to...
alex ross
It's not just traction, it's a stability management.
It was the first time on a 997 that it had, well, on a GT car.
So your car, being an 07, 08 Mark 1, it actually has a more simple traction control system that you can turn off, but it doesn't have stability management like the GT2. So it actually has two buttons.
One is, you know, are you fucking nuts?
And are you gonna fucking die right now?
So, yeah.
magnus walker
It says that on the button or it just says pass them or something?
unidentified
It says, like, SC plus TC equals death, right?
It doesn't even tell you what those things are when you buy it.
alex ross
This orange light comes on, you know, and, yeah, you know it's sort of like...
It gives you a chime as if you've got a problem with your engine.
You know, that same, like if you have a check engine light on a car, you know, it's got this ding and you're like, you know, you're driving and you have this like, you know, orange amber, you know, warning sign.
So it's, you know, they're pretty...
magnus walker
See, the old cars have none of that crap, you know, you just sort of feel it or you don't feel it.
joe rogan
Especially with the brakes, right?
You actually can modulate the brakes by pushing them hard.
magnus walker
Yeah, no power assisted.
I think the brakes on the GT2 are almost the same size as the wheels on 277. What are they, 14.5, 15 inch?
alex ross
I have 15 inch rims.
magnus walker
So yeah, they're almost the same size.
alex ross
They're 15 inch brakes.
magnus walker
That's hilarious.
I got 15 inch wheels.
joe rogan
Those are 15 inch brakes.
Well, you need it with that car.
And most people aren't aware of how much computer-generated stuff is going on behind the scenes of a lot of these modern, high-powered horse cars.
Like, I got to drive the Challenger Hellcat recently.
magnus walker
Well, that's a beast.
joe rogan
Even though it's 707 horsepower, it's very manageable when you're driving it around because they have all this stuff going on behind the scenes.
magnus walker
I'm an ex-Mopar guy.
I still got my 69 Superbee tattoo.
joe rogan
Ah, yeah.
Well, that's a Mopar to be proud of, this new Hellcat.
alex ross
Is the valet key special for the 500 horsepower?
joe rogan
Yeah, they give you that, but I told them I don't even want that.
alex ross
No one else is going to drive it.
joe rogan
It's stupid.
alex ross
Why do they have 500?
magnus walker
You don't let your valet guy park your car, do you?
joe rogan
Yeah, but if you leave a valet guy with a 500 horsepower car, he could kill himself for wrapping around a tree just as easily as he can in a 700 horsepower car.
magnus walker
That's pretty funny.
joe rogan
For folks who don't know what we're talking about, there's two different keys.
One is a red key and one's a black key.
The red key gives you full access to all the power, which gets you up to Hellcat 707 horsepower.
magnus walker
Tire smoker.
joe rogan
Somehow or another, just having the black key limits the amount of horsepower.
alex ross
Yeah.
Well, it just doesn't.
It probably controls, you know, it controls, you know, throttle mapping.
magnus walker
It's not as much black metal.
alex ross
Yeah, it's probably just a throttle map controller and obviously it doesn't allow you to dig deeper and go higher up to 700. There's a lot of rev limitations too.
joe rogan
Even when you just rev the car up just to have some fun with it.
alex ross
It feels sloppy.
joe rogan
Well, it just backs off when you get up anywhere near the red line.
Like, you feel it cutting out.
magnus walker
I think the moral to the story is never let a valet guy know your car, really.
joe rogan
That is the moral of the story.
magnus walker
You really don't need two keys in it.
alex ross
I've never let any valet touch my GT3. Well, I had a valet key with one of the first cars I had, which was, you know, like, at the end of 99, it was a supercharged Jaguar XKR. And it was a convertible.
Yeah, best of British.
magnus walker
Convertible, too.
alex ross
Convertible, right?
Total California car.
magnus walker
Was that when you were doing all that modeling you were telling me about?
alex ross
No, that was a lot longer.
magnus walker
Consumer world internet supermodel days.
alex ross
Yeah, early internet celebrity days.
magnus walker
Did you know that about him?
alex ross
He was a gamer.
You were a video gamer.
I don't know.
Do you remember websites like Tom's Hardware and Non-Tech?
joe rogan
Yes, yes.
unidentified
Oh, totally.
alex ross
So Sharky Extreme was mine, and that was one of the big three.
And then Voodoo Extreme was another one I started.
joe rogan
Dude, I remember that.
I remember Voodoo Extreme and I remember Sharky Extreme.
alex ross
Dude, I started Voodoo Extreme.
joe rogan
We've talked about this before.
I don't know if we talked about it on the podcast, but we've definitely talked about it before.
That was your background.
alex ross
Yeah.
I was a student video gamer.
I was trying to make some money, so I started writing for, you know, magazines.
And this is back in England.
And they would go, why do you want to write about, you know, hardware and 3D cards and all this shit?
It's never going to work.
And so I just started posting it on the internet instead.
And I moved out here and, you know, sold a website that was big during the dot-com era.
joe rogan
Isn't it funny that people, that's what It's one of those things where people thought there was no market for it.
People thought, nah, no one's gonna pay attention to that.
But you can put it on the internet.
And you put it on the internet and it becomes giant.
Well, obviously there's a market.
It's just you fuckheads couldn't figure out how to reach that market.
magnus walker
Remember this crazy thing in 1999?
Y2K? Like, everybody was gonna melt down.
I mean, it's amazing how far we've come since then.
alex ross
It did melt down.
It did fucking melt down.
joe rogan
Oh, well, how about again in 2012?
Everybody thought the Mayans were right.
unidentified
The end of the calendar.
alex ross
They were right, dude.
joe rogan
Stars were gonna align.
The aliens were gonna land.
alex ross
There's a lot of stars up there.
magnus walker
Those are fake, though.
joe rogan
It's just low-resolution photographs.
alex ross
You know, you grow up in England, and you know, because, well, there's this big divide, basically, between the Great North-South Divide.
So you've probably seen those Snatch and Lockstock.
magnus walker
Southern Fairies, Northern Monkeys.
joe rogan
So it's like America.
magnus walker
It's like being in the 818 or 213. I'm a 213 guy.
joe rogan
There's the South, and then there's the North.
alex ross
I grew up in the ritzy cool part, which is the South.
magnus walker
That was the grim northern steel town, Sheffield.
alex ross
Right.
But even in the South, you know, if you said, you know, to your school counselor or career person, you know, I want to be a fucking astronaut, they'd be like, tone it down a bit, you know, or I want to be a baker.
No, you can't do that, son.
You know, just get a normal job.
magnus walker
Live with any means.
See, that's the great thing about America.
I used to hear, cut your hair and get a real job.
I was into heavy metal.
I've had long hair since I was 14, 15, and, you know, over 30-odd years later, I still got long hair.
joe rogan
You got more than long hair, man.
You got a whole ecosystem on your head.
You got some crazy extra-long, like, rope-like things happening in the back.
alex ross
Flying out of the car, though, it looks epic.
magnus walker
Getting caught in the door.
I was telling these guys one of my funniest moments was at the Frankfurt Auto Show when Porsche debuted the 918 last year.
And it was literally 10 minutes after it debuted.
All the press was there.
And they invite me up on stage to get in this 918. And I get my hair caught in the door.
Next day, there's, like, headlines in the newspaper.
Subtitle, it read something like...
English-born American rockstar gets hair caught in 918 door at Frankfurt Auto Show.
But for me, it's sort of like this Samson thing where, you know, I'm afraid to cut my hair because I'll lose my strength.
But now it's just turning gray and getting thinner and falling out.
But I've had long hair for 30 years.
joe rogan
If it goes bald on top, are you going to keep it on the sides?
magnus walker
Probably.
It'll be like Nashville Pussy.
Have you ever seen that band?
joe rogan
Yes.
magnus walker
You know, where the guy takes his hat off and he's like completely bald on top.
It'll be like that.
But I think the point I was making is England is a sort of class divided country, whereas coming to America for me at 19, you could sort of do whatever you want.
alex ross
Yeah, but even class divided, even in the South, I mean, when you come from England, I mean, let's face it, we don't have much of a space program.
We don't have, I mean, you know, no career person is going to tell you.
joe rogan
But you guys do.
He brought a shark with you, you son of a bitch.
You carry those things everywhere.
unidentified
Everywhere, dude.
alex ross
Everywhere.
magnus walker
Chicks dig the shark.
alex ross
They do, man.
They don't dig the dicks, but they dig the sharks.
joe rogan
Well, I have a good friend from Steve.
His name's Steve, and he's from England as well.
And he tells me the same thing.
unidentified
No, Steve.
He's actually a professor.
joe rogan
He's a professor in Stanford, and he says essentially the same thing.
He says that when you are in England, they sort of limit what your aspiration should be.
They tell you where to go, they tell you what to do.
alex ross
I mean, I literally went up to the biggest magazines and, you know.
joe rogan
Ralph in the background.
Yeah, but it's distracting.
The image is distracting.
It's all about his kneecaps.
You could sit over here.
You could do whatever you want.
You could join in if you like.
magnus walker
Should we get him some long pants?
joe rogan
Is it a kneecap thing?
magnus walker
Weird dude in the background?
joe rogan
In the image.
alex ross
Just so you know who he is, he used to work for a very famous Porsche race team.
magnus walker
He's the godfather of Porsche.
alex ross
Yeah, he's the godfather.
He used to work for Vasek Polek, and he was parking RSKs and moving all these multi-million dollar cars.
joe rogan
He's also one of the first adopters of your 3.9.
alex ross
He is, right after Kermit, that's right.
He's also barefoot.
And he drives barefoot.
magnus walker
I've got a photo of him barefoot at the gas station in downtown, actually.
joe rogan
You want to sit in here?
magnus walker
We know he's cool.
joe rogan
He's incognito.
magnus walker
He's the less, he's more guy.
joe rogan
My friend Steve Hilton, he's a professor at Stanford.
He's a very interesting guy, fascinating guy.
And he fucking loves America.
And he said he didn't realize how negative and how limiting the attitudes of people in England are until he got to America.
In America, people are like, yeah, you can do whatever you want to do.
magnus walker
Whatever you want to do.
alex ross
Literally, I think I told you this on the last one, but I went to the most academic, ritzy school.
I don't know how the hell I got in there.
A lot of hard work.
magnus walker
Stunning good looks.
alex ross
Yeah, stunning.
And when I did get there, I mean, the whole time, it's sort of, you know, just keep it down, son.
Keep it down.
Don't just try and do something different.
This is what you need to do.
You need to do this, this, this and this, and then you'll get a job in the city.
magnus walker
There's no such thing as dare to be different there.
I left school at 15. I don't know when you left school.
alex ross
I don't even remember.
joe rogan
Is that just like the momentum of ancient times?
alex ross
It's almost predetermined, you know?
You don't want to make a lot of noise.
magnus walker
You go down this path.
alex ross
Imagine going to the biggest, you know, gaming magazines or whatever, if you're a nerd.
Gaming magazines and PC magazines back in the 90s and saying, hey, there's this really cool new technology that I'm playing with, and it's sort of early on, I know, but it's going to make all these video games better.
And then, you know, the editor-in-chief, you know, who's been there since, you know, 1985 just goes, no, that's not going to fucking work.
I'm not doing that.
And so you've got nowhere to, like, express, you know, something cool and new.
So, yeah, the Internet was pretty freaking amazing for me.
You know, I just threw it up there, and then people start reading it, and...
You know, then what's funny is that same company, the publishing company, tried to buy my website like fucking four years later and I said, nah.
I sold it to internet.com.
joe rogan
We're seeing something similar in America where the Midwest and there's a lot of parts of this country that don't have urban centers and don't have, you There's a lot of people that are there that have, like, really limited ideas of how people should act, how people should dress, what people should do, what religions you should follow.
And because of the internet, there's, like, this embedding of, like, a new culture in all of these areas.
Like, you could go to anywhere.
You can go to the Midwest, you can go to Kansas, you can go...
And you'll find really fucking cool kids who are on the ball, who understand what's going on in the world.
alex ross
We used to have to go to a library to find anything out.
magnus walker
Do those things exist anymore?
joe rogan
Yeah, they do.
alex ross
They do.
joe rogan
I take my kids to the library.
alex ross
You got kids?
What do you do with them there?
joe rogan
They look at little kid books, man.
alex ross
Like dinosaur books.
magnus walker
We're talking about bookstores on the way up, because we're talking about magazines and where do you get them?
It's like, bookstores, it's sort of hard to find them.
Yeah, we're talking about, you buy magazines at the airport, it seems.
joe rogan
Well, a lot of them, yeah, a lot of bookstores are dying out.
alex ross
And then everything, like all the, you know, Porsche magazines and stuff, they're all like, you know, on the iPad now.
You know, my mom's like...
joe rogan
They're better on the iPad.
magnus walker
Everyone's got an iPhone and snapping photos.
alex ross
Because I'm an ex-magazine guy too, there's something about reading it on paper.
I still want to cut down trees, I guess, to do it.
magnus walker
I got a great photo of him, the tree hugger photo outside in the rain.
Mad Dog's an English man hugging the tree.
alex ross
I was humping your tree, sorry.
magnus walker
He's getting all excited.
joe rogan
I just rent here.
alex ross
Just wipe it clean.
joe rogan
But it is amazing that the internet offers up all these opportunities, and the internet is essentially how I found out about both you guys.
I found out about you because of the Urban Outlaw documentary, which is, look, how else would you have ever watched that documentary if it wasn't for the internet?
magnus walker
That came out of left field.
I mean, if I can talk about that for a minute or two.
I mean, I've got to give props to Tamir Muscovici, my Canadian big old buddy who'd...
He'd been following my post on Pelican Parts, and I was starting to get a little bit of magazine coverage probably three years ago.
joe rogan
And Pelican Parts, for folks who don't know, the website...
alex ross
Nerdy Porsche.
magnus walker
It's the sort of classic Porsche go-to online forum and parts supply place.
I had a thread going there called Porsche Collection Out of Control Hobby.
And to me, it was a Canadian film director who was sort of dissatisfied with doing Bud Light commercials.
And more importantly, he was a Porsche owner.
And sort of connected with my story and figured maybe there's a little bit more to it than had been told through my post.
And talking of the Internet, shot me an email, and a couple of emails later, we had a sort of online verbal handshake, and he flew down on his frequent flying miles to L.A. Hired a sort of very talented crew for nothing.
And from my point of view, it was like, what's the worst that can happen here?
I'm going to drive around for four days and get some great footage.
We didn't know what was going to happen with that film.
You know, and we released a trailer, probably...
We shot it in 2012, January.
Released a trailer a couple of months later that got picked up by Top Gear.
And that thing sort of went viral and exploded.
and then the film came out October 15th online and got into the Raindance Film Festival.
And it just sort of went from there, you know, and it's amazing how global that thing became, 'cause I think people connected to the story.
You know, the film Urban Outlaw is not purely about Porsche.
It's about my story of following my dream, which everyone can relate to.
And we touched on it a little bit growing up in England and then coming to America as a 19-year-old Not knowing anybody, but just sort of following your passion.
And my theory is always the same.
How bad can it be?
And that's ultimately the great thing about America.
And I think that's what Tamir captured in the film Urban Outlaw was my sort of spirit, which is a common spirit of trying to follow your dreams and do what it is you like to do without taking no for an answer.
And the past two years since that film came out, It's just been a whirlwind of travel for me and meeting great people.
And I've realized this sort of common bond with all car guys.
It doesn't matter whether you're driving an 800-horsepower GT2 or building a VW in your backyard or you're a Mopar guy.
We all share that same common bond of Loving to tinker with cars, getting out and driving and basically trying to express yourself through the styling of the car and the passion of the car and everything that evolves.
And it is a language, you know, I say Porsche is a language, but I think all car guys share that same common bond.
And I think that's the connection why people sort of related to the film.
joe rogan
Well, your passion and your enthusiasm is really addictive.
And that's one of the things I love about people.
I watched a documentary recently, a short piece, on a guy who makes knives.
He makes butcher knives.
magnus walker
Bowie knives and stuff like that?
joe rogan
No, he makes mostly knives for chefs.
He's the best in the family.
But he does them all by hand.
He hammers the steel, the whole deal.
And you're watching him cut the wood pieces and polish them down.
magnus walker
I met a similar guy that's selling knives to Eric Clapton.
And these things are like, you know, 25, 50 grand knives.
Some of these old, like, you know, vintage.
joe rogan
Well, this isn't vintage.
This is all handmade stuff.
But it's just this guy.
He used to have a regular job, and then I think his company's called Brooklyn Cut, and he just started, like, you know, he was like in a funk, and he started making knives almost as a hobby, and then it became his job.
But as he's making these knives, it's like you're really interested in the craftsmanship and his passion and enthusiasm.
That's so addictive.
I don't have any desire to make knives.
If I kick a knife, I cut a tomato, and the knife's done.
I'm done.
alex ross
It's pretty fucking cool to see someone that's just, you know, he's obviously, that's his life and passion and he's putting everything into it.
magnus walker
I think passion goes further than street smart, than book smart.
So I often describe myself as a street smart guy because I left school early without a lot of education.
You were talking earlier on about the path people go down where they're in school, university, college, you know.
They come out when they're 22, 23, and they've got no idea what they want to do, but they've got all these degrees in education, and then sometimes they just sort of float around.
For me, it was the complete opposite, but just always trying to enjoy life and find things that you enjoy doing.
But the key is never give up.
You know, it's like the guy with the knives, you know, turns what seems to be a hobby passion into what sounds like a pretty successful business.
alex ross
I mean, when I came over here in 98, I didn't even have a driver license.
joe rogan
Wow.
That's hilarious when you consider what you do now.
magnus walker
Oh, did you see him drive?
joe rogan
He drives good, man.
He drives a little crazy, but...
alex ross
Not that good, though, yeah.
Not as good as him.
He's actually...
You know, it's funny you mention most of your collection is the early cars and low-powered, You know, I left the car with him.
It rained in LA, remember, like a while ago, for like a week?
unidentified
Thanksgiving.
alex ross
Thanksgiving.
And, you know, my wife actually, who made that video that you saw, which is not as good as his, actually.
magnus walker
Which video?
alex ross
The one with Kermit, you know.
magnus walker
I thought it was like one of those home videos you guys like to shoot.
alex ross
Yeah, we like to do those, but that's a different one.
magnus walker
You know, you guys are wrestling in oil or something?
alex ross
No, not in oil.
Just in water.
magnus walker
Okay.
You're a water-cooled guy.
alex ross
That's right.
I've got to get it in there.
But yeah, I mean, you know, we left it.
Well, I said, I've got to get back on the flight.
I need somewhere to park.
magnus walker
You want to tell them the backstory before that?
alex ross
Yeah.
We'll tell them the backstory.
joe rogan
But the point where you're trying to get at is that you left the car with him to try to get him addicted.
alex ross
Exactly.
And this is like the third or fourth time.
magnus walker
There's a funny point to the backstory though.
alex ross
This is the third or the fourth time.
And just watching him sort of go up in his roads, not in, you know, a 277 or an early car.
And, you know, he respects the power, but he just eases in.
And like I said, it was like he found a song on the radio that he liked.
If anyone listens to the radio.
But, you know, and he's like, I think I like that.
And he turns up the volume a little more, then goes back and, you know, chops tomatoes with those knives, probably, and then goes back.
I like that song a lot, actually.
And I'm going to turn it up a little more.
And he continues to cook.
And by the end of, like, that drive, was it a two-hour drive?
magnus walker
It does go to 11. Yeah.
alex ross
You know, instead of having like 30% throttle or a 3 out of 10 on the volume knob, you know, he was more at 7 or 8. And he's like, yeah, this needs some time, you know?
And yeah, so I left it with him for a month.
joe rogan
It must be something that you also have to get accustomed to when you're coming from these cars that are essentially most of your cars are somewhere around 200 horsepower.
magnus walker
And then all of a sudden you're driving I mean, that thing's almost got four times the amount of power, so I'm used to sort of getting in these 277 type cars and you just keep your fuck planet all the time.
I call them flat fuck cars where pedal to the metal is sort of my slogan.
GT2 with almost 800 horsepower, you can't do that.
alex ross
Pedal to the carpet.
magnus walker
Yeah, well, gradual pedal to the metal, you know, to me, it's a lot about variety, and the challenge with that car is trying to get comfortable with it, where you feel confident, where you can push it more and more, and, you know, brake later, get on the gas earlier type of thing.
And it's a challenge to be able to modulate and try and get the most out of that car.
The flip side to it is, you know, driving around town under 4,000 RPM is Pretty docile, just like any other car.
Gets real angry real quick.
alex ross
But again, it's the whole passion thing.
I'm addicted to his passion, basically.
From the first time I met him, really it was about a year ago with the blue car, to the point where I'm crazy enough, I guess some people think, to just go, hey man, can I leave the car with you for a month?
Some guy that's got a video like that up in the canyons.
joe rogan
Well, not only that, you're leaving a car where it's one of one and a modified one of one, but essentially one of 200 that Porsche ever built.
alex ross
But I couldn't think of anything better.
Like, I'm not going to bring a, you know, I'm not going to bring a dolled up.
magnus walker
You see, for me to clarify, I've owned a lot of early 911s, a lot of them.
But my collection's my own collection.
I don't build customer cars.
I think there's a bit of this misinterpretation that people think I'm a tuning shop or a performance shop building customer cars.
I get these emails all the time from guys wanting me to build cars for them or can they drop their car off and I've had quite a few people approach me wanting to do collaborations with other tuners.
So, you know, just to clarify, I'm a collector and I like to get out and drive.
I don't build customer cars.
I've helped my buddies out occasionally.
So when Alex approached me with the car and just sort of left it and he gave me the classic line, like what I think is going to become the all-time classic line for me, he goes, just treat it as if it was your own car and do whatever you want to do with it.
joe rogan
So you painted it.
magnus walker
Yeah.
You know, so now I'm down with what I call OPP, other people's Porsches.
You know, for me, this was just a real fun collaboration to be able to put my sort of artistic, stylistic interpretation of the 60s and 70s sport purpose era onto a new car, which is something that hasn't really been done.
You know, no one's really took that 60s, 70s styling and put it on a new car.
And the Porsche world is a little bit black and white, in a sense, just to sort of be real broad.
You're either an air-cooled guy or you're a water-cooled guy.
You know, in a generic term, the two don't necessarily mix, even though they really do.
joe rogan
For folks who don't know what we're talking about, just explain the era.
magnus walker
This is not a Porsche forum we're on right here.
joe rogan
This is just a regular podcast.
But it's essentially...
magnus walker
Is anyone out there...
joe rogan
94 was when 993 ended production?
alex ross
No, it was 98. That was the last.
And when that happened, all Porsche guys that were fanatics for 30, 40 years Let's start at the beginning.
magnus walker
The 911 came out in 1964 and was air-cooled, so we'll start there.
alex ross
We'll start there, all the way up to 98. Literally, people that were Porsche guys wanted to jump off a cliff because they thought it was over because Porsche announced they're going to water-cooled, and they were just like, that's the end of Porsche.
joe rogan
And they went to water-cooled because it was the only way to really get more horsepower.
alex ross
That, and I think it's cheaper to, you know, in a way, it's cheaper to mass-produce because when they were air-cooled, they were making fewer cars.
Yeah, volume went up.
Performance went up, horsepower went up.
Actually, that's not true.
In 1998, they made the last air-cooled 993, but in 1997, they actually introduced the Boxster, and that was the first water-cooled.
joe rogan
Oh.
alex ross
So, you wouldn't know about the Boxster.
joe rogan
No, I had a friend.
My friend Lou had one.
He had one.
It was an automatic.
God bless this.
magnus walker
The manual is a great handling car.
alex ross
You know what's great about it?
Doesn't the exhaust pipe look really...
Weird in the middle like that.
joe rogan
It's a little weird.
I've seen one with two circular ones.
alex ross
Oh, that's the S. That's the S. That's the S. That's good.
joe rogan
I think the new one is beautiful.
alex ross
It is, actually, yeah.
joe rogan
The new Boxster is beautiful.
magnus walker
Well, the killer one is the new Cayman.
You know, they've got this thing coming out called the GT4. That's real.
Yeah, it's real.
It's happening.
joe rogan
It really is happening.
magnus walker
It's like a Cayman GTS-R on steroids.
joe rogan
So it's like a GT3, but a Cayman version.
alex ross
I wouldn't go that far.
It's still modern and...
magnus walker
Wait till these guys, you know, do the short work tuning and take a bite out of the Cayman.
alex ross
No, but that's what's interesting.
I'm becoming an old, like a newer version of you, like an older, grumpy sort of new car guy.
magnus walker
Grumpy new car guy?
alex ross
Yeah, because the golden era for me is the era of Joe's car.
997. Yeah, 997, you know, GT3 from 07. I like the 996 GT3 II. When did you get your first Porsche?
joe rogan
I got 996 turbo in 2003. I think today that 996 turbo is the best bang for the buck in the Porsche.
alex ross
Yeah, you can get it for 35 grand.
joe rogan
Yeah, and really fast car.
But mine was a lemon.
Mine broke down like crazy and I got away from Porsches for a while.
alex ross
You went NSX, didn't you?
joe rogan
I went for an NSX and then I got rid of that NSX. I got another NSX. I had two NSXs.
But then I found out about the GT3 and I was reading about the...
My car broke down five times.
magnus walker
The 996 turbo?
joe rogan
Yeah, they had to replace the engine, The throttle, the fuel pump broke, so it just ran out of gas.
The fuel gauge broke.
alex ross
That's a common one.
magnus walker
These are big problems.
He ran out of gas, the fuel pump broke.
joe rogan
The shift linkage broke twice.
alex ross
Okay, that was a really common problem.
If you looked at it, you would laugh because you're thinking like, A hundred and, you know, whatever, $30,000 car, and it's got this plastic piece of shite, basically, linking the floppy, you know, shifter to the cables on the transmission, and that thing would break on cars from 97, because it's the same part in a bog-standard boxer to a turbo, and yeah, we always had to make, like, a billet part for the early cars.
magnus walker
Billet, sure.
joe rogan
Oh, so you made something much stronger.
alex ross
Yeah.
Actually, a company in Arizona that's like a tuning partner for me, Evo, they make it.
And yeah, it's just a little billet piece.
And then, yeah, you don't get...
Because you know what happens?
You get stuck.
You can't shift.
You can't go anywhere.
joe rogan
Well, I got lucky mine stuck in second gear.
unidentified
Oh, that's a good gear to be stuck in.
joe rogan
It was enough to drive to the Porsche dealership.
alex ross
Yeah, that's a good gear to be stuck in in that car.
joe rogan
But to happen twice is pretty stupid.
So when did you get the GT3? I got the GT3 a year before I made you, so was it three years ago?
alex ross
Yeah, the 2010. You went hardcore and went backwards.
joe rogan
I loved it.
I loved it, but then I found out about the Shark Works cars, and I was like, oh, this motherfucker just took it to the next level.
alex ross
You saw my wife's video.
joe rogan
Yeah, I saw the video, and then there was the cover of Excellence, I think it was.
alex ross
It was, yeah.
joe rogan
3.9 was on it, and they were talking.
The guy was just raving about the engine.
He was comparing the 3.9.
unidentified
That must be your buddy, right, PS? Oh yeah, Pete Stout.
alex ross
And now he's in charge of Panorama, that's right.
joe rogan
So I got rid of the 2010, bought a 2007, had it sent to Alex, never even saw it.
Didn't even see the car.
magnus walker
Straight off the showroom floor?
joe rogan
Just sent it right to him.
magnus walker
So you hadn't even driven in stock form?
joe rogan
Nope, just sent it to him.
unidentified
I knew it.
magnus walker
You just knew stock wasn't enough?
joe rogan
When I talked to him, I'm like, this motherfucker is exactly what I wanted to hear.
Everything he was saying, I'm like, that's my dog.
I just sent him the car.
I go, let's do it.
I just said, go crazy.
And he went crazy.
And I love that car.
magnus walker
What's your favorite road to go drive?
joe rogan
I love that Angel's Crescent Iron Man.
alex ross
You called me at the top of that, too.
magnus walker
You got cell phone reception up there?
joe rogan
No, no, I called them when I got to the bottom.
We were up there yesterday at the other side of it.
I had a reception.
It's such a masterpiece.
When I drove it, I was like, this is better than any ride at Disneyland or Six Flags.
I got to the bottom.
That when you drive a car like that on a crazy, windy canyon road with no one anywhere near, that's when you really understand what those cars are all about.
magnus walker
I can relate to that.
unidentified
God, it was so fun.
magnus walker
Well, that was sort of how I connected to the GT2, you know, and then just little by little eased into that car and then...
You know, these guys had already added performance.
I just added a little bit of style and personality.
joe rogan
Well, you did crazy.
Is there a best website to look at the images of the version of the one that he created?
alex ross
Basically...
magnus walker
It's all over sort of Instagram and Facebook.
unidentified
It's all over Instagram.
alex ross
So if you go to like the Sharkworks Instagram or Magnus Walker...
joe rogan
Yeah, you can see it.
magnus walker
It's sort of like depending on who you listen to.
joe rogan
Well, there you go.
It's on my Instagram.
magnus walker
Oh, look at that guy with a Honda t-shirt.
Look at that guy.
alex ross
Who the hell is that?
magnus walker
That's a sexy bitch right there.
alex ross
It looks like I got some holes in my jeans.
joe rogan
It looks good when you see it in person.
It's like the blue car.
The blue car, your 4.1.
alex ross
You thought it was really wacky.
And then you came and saw it, and you were drinking coffee, and you're like, I think I like it.
joe rogan
Yeah, the 4.1, when you see it in person, you see the blue and the orange.
magnus walker
That's a real animal.
joe rogan
That's pretty dope.
You can hear it if you play it off that other, there's a video of Matt Farah driving by.
magnus walker
Yeah, let's watch that video.
alex ross
I think you're in that video.
joe rogan
I think so.
Can you hear that?
That's just my Instagram video.
alex ross
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Okay.
unidentified
It looks pretty fast coming around that turn, actually.
alex ross
And it's pretty cheeky, right?
To have a British flag with Union Jack upside down.
magnus walker
Yeah, people are digging that.
unidentified
What is with Union Jack on Porsche cars?
alex ross
On the German car.
joe rogan
It's also, you did the thing with the seat inserts.
magnus walker
Oh, yeah.
My wife and I took a UK tour right before Christmas.
We did an event with Porsche in London and then went to see my mum in Sheffield and then went up to see my sister who lives in Aberdeen, Scotland.
alex ross
Aberdeen.
magnus walker
So, you know, I'm a big fan of messing up interiors in cars, but Porsche had been putting plaid interiors or Tartan interiors in these cars since the 70s.
unidentified
Tartan?
joe rogan
Is that what it's called?
alex ross
Tartan.
magnus walker
I think you guys call it plaid.
alex ross
Tartan.
Tartan.
magnus walker
You know, they make a lot of that in Scotland, you know, them William Wallace dudes with the kilts and the spores and the haggis.
So anyway, long story short...
alex ross
You know, they pull it up and show their willies or their arse, that thing.
magnus walker
I was just there for the tartan fabric, but I managed to find this tartan that is almost the same colours that are on the car, so I couldn't resist just putting the inserts into the seat just to give it a little bit more character on the inside as well.
alex ross
I mean, when you open it, you just go...
magnus walker
Doesn't make it drive any better, but it just sort of looks like it's got a little bit more style and personality.
joe rogan
Yeah, I bow down to you guys on this.
That's you.
You're into it.
I like solid colors.
I don't like plaid interiors.
But honestly, that car has a lot more character in a very unique and weird way now that you've done all this paint.
I wouldn't have done it.
But, and with the gold wheels, it does work.
It really does work.
magnus walker
I like those three color combos, you know, and just sort of trifecta, I call it.
And like I say, it's an acquired taste, but it's sort of a late 60s, early 70s, race-inspired livery interpreted onto a new car, which is, I don't think you'll see another car like that out there on the road.
alex ross
And you know, you see the privateer teams, you know, from the 70s, 80s.
That to me is, when I see that car going down, You know, as opposed to just being like a stealthy white 911 with a sort of big wing on it.
magnus walker
That to me is the glory days of Porsche, because 911 came out in 64, they won Le Mans in 1970, so that first 10 years, you know, Porsche just started winning everything in the 911, 917, and that's just like the iconic sort of era, the beginning of everything.
It's become this automotive legend that has gone on for 50 years, and there's only two other cars that have been in production as long as the 911, the Corvette, which got there 10 years before.
Yeah, I've got a 65. Well, you know what I'm talking about then.
And everyone's favorite, the Mustang.
And I'm always floored that people don't do more Mustang-Porsche sort of comparisons because to me...
alex ross
It came out the same time.
magnus walker
It came out the same time.
I owned a 65 Mustang GT350R replica.
And the Mustang owner and the Porsche owner, to me, are very similar in the sense that both of them love to customize their cars.
joe rogan
Yes.
magnus walker
You know, you see a lot of upgraded Mustangs.
I mean, just look at all the Parnelli Jones, the Shelby's, the Boss 302's, you know, these factory conversions on the Mustangs.
It's just never-ending.
The 911, in a sense, is sort of a similar thing, and I think the owner and enthusiast of the two cars share that common bond of the cars are easy to sort of upgrade from a performance point of view, personalize them from an aesthetic point of view, and they've both been in continuous production For 50 years, and they're both icons.
You look at Ford, and I think you identify Ford with the Mustang.
You look at Ken Block and what he just did with his Gymkhana 7. That thing is ridiculous.
It's a monster.
joe rogan
Pull that video up.
Ken Block, Gymkhana 7. That is fucking insane.
alex ross
I never had a Mustang, but in England, if you were thinking of an iconic Ford, it was probably like a Ford S. Capri.
Or RS2000S. No, no, it's a Ford Escort XR3i.
It was the most stolen car ever.
magnus walker
Depending on what area you grew up in, I think.
joe rogan
Here's the video.
First of all, how beautiful does LA look at night like that?
That is amazing.
magnus walker
I was fortunate enough to be a couple of hundred yards away from some of these scenes.
alex ross
He's running on the guys that you work with on the wheels.
magnus walker
Yeah, he's running the same 1552 wheels.
joe rogan
It's a 69 Mustang?
Is that what it is?
What year is it?
magnus walker
Well, truth be told, it's sort of a completely purpose-built car, but the real key to it is 800 horsepower and four-wheel drive.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's insane.
magnus walker
It is unbelievable.
And I think what this did for Ford, in a way, is bring a whole new fan into Ken Block's world and also the Ford world through this Mustang, which to me just looks like Darth Vader meets Mad Max on steroids.
joe rogan
It's the baddest looking Mustang I've ever seen in my life.
magnus walker
It's a 65. Look how And the fact that they chose a notchback, you know, a notchback as opposed to a fastback.
joe rogan
Yeah, notchback and wide-ass fender flares.
magnus walker
It's just a monster.
joe rogan
Look at this fucking thing, man.
unidentified
It's unbelievable.
alex ross
I know.
joe rogan
He's going to spin the wheels.
alex ross
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Four-wheel.
He's got it hooked up to a chain.
alex ross
Yeah, all-wheel drive Mustang.
joe rogan
Spinning all four wheels.
magnus walker
And the sound, you know, I'm not hearing that sound, but it's just intoxicating.
alex ross
There you go.
magnus walker
It's unbelievable.
unidentified
It won't come through that TV. No, no.
joe rogan
The only all-wheel drive performance Mustang ever built.
What's the benefit of having a car like this all-wheel drive, though?
alex ross
Putting the power down better, right?
joe rogan
Yeah, but that's it, right?
It's gonna change the handling dynamics.
alex ross
Or it makes more smoke, even.
magnus walker
Smoking all four.
joe rogan
This guy is a fucking madman.
Ten blocks driving is insane.
magnus walker
Nice guy, too.
joe rogan
That video that he did with his Subaru, Where he's spinning around all these different objects.
alex ross
Yeah, he did that on Top Gear, right?
joe rogan
The control that he has in this thing.
magnus walker
I thought the San Francisco Gymkhana 5 was the best until I saw this.
I mean, the San Francisco one's still epic, but this one...
joe rogan
He's in downtown LA, going sideways around every corner in the craziest fucking Mustang that's ever been built.
alex ross
My mother-in-law sent me this video, have you seen this?
It's like, yes, along with 3,000.
magnus walker
Who hasn't seen it, right?
joe rogan
You're right about Mustangs, though, in that Mustangs might be the most customized ever American car.
magnus walker
Without a doubt, I would say.
I mean, what else has been around in production for 50 years?
joe rogan
And they're also one of the most radical cars as far as what you can buy.
The most radical what you can buy straight from the factory.
They were the first to go completely hog wild.
That GT500 with 668 horsepower.
I mean, what the fuck is that?
alex ross
King of the road.
joe rogan
I mean, that is bananas.
That is a goddamn bananas car.
And to have a live rear axle in 2014. Yeah, yeah.
The new one.
Have you seen the new GT350? They've gone the other way.
They've lowered the horsepower down to 500. They've lightened up the car.
alex ross
I like that.
joe rogan
Giant carbon brakes.
And apparently, with this new independent suspension, it's a motherfucker as far as it's handling.
It's supposed to...
alex ross
See, honestly, I would actually take a slightly less horsepower, but lighter.
I'd like that.
magnus walker
Ford GT? Oh, that was one of my all-time favorite cars as a kid growing up.
joe rogan
The GT350 is a new Mustang.
That's a Ford GT. Yeah, the Ford GT is a beautiful car.
alex ross
The prices on those went bonkers.
joe rogan
The modern version of it, the modern one, is just insane.
Nobody ever drives them, though, ever.
Well, I had a friend who had one.
He said it was dog shit.
alex ross
I drove them.
It was a time when I was thinking of getting one.
It was the gulf livery one, obviously, because I like weird colors.
And, you know, it was around 180 at the time, so it was like the best time to buy it.
And now I see they're like 400 grand, but nobody ever drives those cars.
magnus walker
See, that's the great thing about 911s and Porsches.
They get driven.
unidentified
You drive the shit out of them.
magnus walker
You see a lot of high-mileage Porsches.
You don't see a lot of high-mileage Ferraris or Lamborghinis or anything like that.
unidentified
Exactly.
joe rogan
You know another thing about that, what you just saw?
Manual transmission is standard.
That's all you can get.
magnus walker
Yeah, how great is that?
joe rogan
Six-speed manual is the sole transmission.
unidentified
S-O-L-E and S-O-U-L. Right there, just bow down to that.
alex ross
You like the sticker, huh?
magnus walker
That's one of my favorite things on the GT2, the anti-theft sticker, the manual.
joe rogan
Yeah, I love that.
alex ross
Dan came up with that.
joe rogan
I think it's fucking gross that Porsche's not making manuals anymore.
alex ross
It's really disappointing.
And the worst thing is, you know, the GT3. Well, that came in GT4. It's coming manual.
Yeah, that does.
magnus walker
That's going to ruffle a lot of feathers because guys are going to go like you or 991 GT3 guys are going to go...
alex ross
How come I can't get a manual in 991 GT3? They just ripped the soul out of the GT3 program when they, you know, said it's PDK only.
You know, I get that they have to compete with, you know, the Nissan GTR, the M3s, and all these cars that are basically, you know, automatic, and you just push a button and it does everything for you.
magnus walker
They've got no soul.
alex ross
Well, actually, you do have to still push the gas.
joe rogan
Well, they're all playing numbers.
alex ross
They're all tripling and keep up with the GTR. And even on Nürburgring, they can't compete unless...
joe rogan
So what?
What?
alex ross
I agree.
magnus walker
Ultimately, it's all about the journey, I think.
You know, the interaction and, you know, the control you put into the car.
alex ross
You lose your arm and the leg, you know?
You're just, like, falling asleep.
The 991 GT3 is honestly the first GT3 ever that I've been sort of bored in.
You know, it's a GT3 that I've been bored in, and I'm, like, pushing buttons because I see, oh, it's got some new buttons.
What does this do?
Instead of, like, actually going...
You know, wow, I'm really engaged.
Don't get me wrong, it's a great car for a first-time Porsche buyer, I suppose, but that's who's buying them, usually, and not the hardcore GT3. Well, it's rich guys who don't really know how to drive a manual.
joe rogan
I have a friend who's wealthy who doesn't know how to drive a manual, and I go, listen, I go, rent a fucking car.
I go, rent a car for it.
No, he doesn't.
But he's thinking about getting one.
I go, don't do it!
I go, rent a car, rent it for the weekend, and beat the shit out of it.
Learn how to drive it.
I go, you can learn how to drive it in 10 minutes.
It's not hard.
It's like, yeah, that's it.
magnus walker
See, that's the great thing about driving a manual.
Yeah, exactly.
unidentified
How bad can it be?
alex ross
How bad can it be?
magnus walker
You know, I say it covers all the senses.
That, to me, is the great thing about driving.
I think, ultimately, it doesn't matter what car you drive, but what matters is being engaged and involved in that experience, which covers sight, sound, feel, touch, you know, two hands and two feet.
alex ross
You know, in the canyons, once you get bored, just all you would do is put, because you probably not even push buttons anymore, but you just push the gas and you're going around and it's like, okay, now what?
My arm's not doing anything.
My leg's not doing anything.
I'm not getting that feedback into my body.
joe rogan
Well, I have both.
I have, my M3 is a PDK car.
It's a double clutch car.
It drives great.
It's awesome.
It's my traffic car.
I love driving it in traffic.
It's great because it handles great.
Yeah, constantly.
magnus walker
I'm the opposite.
I live 200 yards from where I work.
So for me, 80% of my driving, walking, pure pleasure.
joe rogan
Do you have like a regular car that you drive or do you commute?
magnus walker
Well, hold on, hold on.
I walk to work.
So I got the garage full of cars.
I walk to work.
I have my wife, Karen, her car, what I call the wife's car, is a regular car.
joe rogan
It has four doors.
magnus walker
It's a BMW. I gave him shit for that.
alex ross
I gave him so much shit for that.
What's wrong with the BMW? They're great cars.
magnus walker
The funny thing is when people pull up next to me and they look at me and go, they go, aren't you that Porsche guy?
And I go, yeah.
And they go, what are you doing driving a BMW? I go, it's my wife's car.
joe rogan
Still a great car.
alex ross
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
magnus walker
A 335i BMW, you know, sort of gets the job done.
Are you on the Bluetooth, too?
alex ross
While you're driving it?
magnus walker
No, come on.
joe rogan
I have a 2012 M3. I barely know how to turn the iPhone on.
But you know what I really like?
I like the generation before mine.
The one with 333 horsepower.
alex ross
So the E46? Yes.
joe rogan
That's a beautiful car, man.
alex ross
So a lot of people make track cars out of those.
And then even the E36. That's like probably...
The most common, you know, sort of, you know, like, get into, you know, tracking other than a Miata.
That's, you know, E36 M3 is the most common sort of track.
joe rogan
They look beautiful in silver.
magnus walker
I've seen such silver ones.
I always loved the 2002 TII and the 3.0 Batmobile.
alex ross
Yeah, so you're going older on it.
unidentified
Old school.
magnus walker
I always go back to old school, 70s.
I always go back that way.
joe rogan
Why is that?
Why are you so old school?
magnus walker
I think it's my age.
My era, you know, I'm 48, so I grew up, born in 67, grew up in the 70s.
unidentified
You wear it well.
magnus walker
Well, thanks.
You know, so as a kid, those are those informative years.
Alex is a little bit younger, so I think his point of reference is 80s.
My point of reference is 70s.
You know, I remember watching motor racing on TV on Grandstand on a Saturday, watching rally cars.
alex ross
Grandstand is a sports program in England on the BBC. This is when we had two channels, I think.
No, no, we had three.
1982 they introduced.
joe rogan
Three channels.
alex ross
We had three channels and then I think it was 82 or 83. BBC One, BBC Two and ITV. They went with, now we're going to unveil Channel Four.
And literally the entire country stopped as if it was a royal wedding, right?
And the very first program was this thing called Countdown, which was like a game show where they'd pick letters and you'd go, I'd like a vowel, please, or I'd like a consonant, please.
And they'd put it up and you'd sort of have to fill in the blanks.
And they'd have celebrities and stuff and they'd go, okay, well, give me an A, give me a letter, and you'd make a word out of it.
And that was the first program to launch Channel 4. And you're like...
magnus walker
I don't remember that.
For me, I remember Old Grey Whistle Test, Top of the Pops, they were the music shows.
joe rogan
Top of the Pops, I remember that.
magnus walker
That was sort of...
alex ross
I grew up with that, too.
magnus walker
Every Thursday, Top of the Pops.
And then, what was Channel 4's music show in the 80s?
alex ross
Oh, that was, it was with Paula Yates.
magnus walker
Right, you ended up marrying Bob Gurley.
alex ross
Yeah.
magnus walker
The Tube, that was it.
This is pre-MTV, so this is going back.
alex ross
It was pretty trendy.
They had some really good bands on it, you know.
magnus walker
It was sort of a cool era of music.
You know, my thing growing up was, I'm from Sheffield, so Sheffield was sort of, I portray it grim northern steel town, but it was also a great music town.
You know, Joe Cocker, who recently passed away, was from Sheffield.
alex ross
He died recently, poor lad.
magnus walker
Yeah, he did, a couple of weeks ago.
But when I was a teenager, you know, late 70s, early 80s, Sheffield was known for its new wave bands, Human League, Heaven 17, ABC, Cabaret Voltaire.
But the flip side to it was Def Leppard, Saxon, heavy metal music.
So Sheffield's always had a great musical vibe.
I guess the current pinup band from Sheffield's Arctic Monkeys, which are sort of really big and popular.
Love those guys.
These northern environment towns, Manchester, Sheffield, Leeds, Liverpool, I think they breed creativity because people are just looking for a way out, something different.
Back then in the 70s, it was pretty depressed, steel mills closing down, coal mines closing down.
alex ross
Coal miners for games.
magnus walker
Well, we'll talk about that later.
alex ross
You've seen that movie?
magnus walker
Coal miners what?
alex ross
So there was a movie I saw recently called Pride.
You know, you like English sort of humor, black humor movies.
And this is going to sound weird.
It's like Full Monty on steroids.
It's called Pride.
You should look it up.
Small sort of British movie.
It'll probably win some awards.
It came out this year.
But it's about...
The coal mining strike in the 80s, which I remember growing up, you know...
magnus walker
Arthur Scargill was the leader of the coal miners who practically shut the country down when the miners went on strike.
alex ross
Exactly.
Everyone was on strike and there was police brutality towards the miners that were striking.
But there was also police brutality to gays and, well, not lesbians, but gays mostly at the time.
joe rogan
Nobody gets brutal with lesbians.
magnus walker
No, well, you don't mess with them.
alex ross
No, you don't mess with that.
magnus walker
You don't want to get your ass kicked by a lesbian, right?
unidentified
Come on.
alex ross
So in London, and, you know, they were activists and they were thinking, well, nobody's taking us seriously, but we have something in common with these miners in the middle of Wales.
You know, Wales is this really...
magnus walker
What is that common bond thread?
Do you know what that is?
alex ross
Yeah, I know.
You've said it before.
It's the...
I'll let you say it, since you're the dirty-minded one.
But yeah, you've got the...
joe rogan
What is it?
magnus walker
There's something about a black hole.
alex ross
Black hole.
Yeah, I know.
I know.
How dare you?
But they are, you know, being beaten on a daily basis and, you know, just...
We're penalized for being, you know, gay.
And they're like, well, we have a lot in common with these coal miners right now.
What we're going to do is we're going to form this coalition called Gays and Lesbians for Minors, you know, coalition.
And we're going to raise money for them.
And so what happened is, you know, they would raise money since all these miners were out of jobs and striking, you know, on the streets.
So you can imagine in, you know, the 70s, sorry, in the 80s, the early 80s, you know, gay people on the streets going, hey, would you like to donate to the miners of Wales for gays and lesbians?
You know, we're gays and lesbians, would you like to donate?
And the kind of looks and things were like...
Yeah, that's an interesting thing.
Yeah, it's really cool.
So then, you know, they get all this money, and they end up actually getting a lot of money for these miners, and they go visit them in Wales.
They get in a bang bus, basically, and go visit them.
And when they get there, you know, you have to realize that, you know, these are coal miners.
There's probably homosexuality there underneath, but...
joe rogan
What are you trying to say?
alex ross
That they go digging, I guess, for coal.
unidentified
I don't know.
magnus walker
It's a fossil fuel thing.
joe rogan
I think if you're doing gay sex, if you're digging, you're doing it wrong.
alex ross
I haven't done it, but yeah, so I don't know.
I don't know.
I've read books about it.
joe rogan
People would shake their head and go, this is not the right technique.
magnus walker
This is a little bit different to the Ewan McGregor coal mining brass stuff movie.
alex ross
Yes, it is.
magnus walker
They're talking about the brass band, the brass band.
alex ross
But they get there, and there's this 105-year-old grandma that's pouring tea for all the miners at their club.
Working Man's Club.
magnus walker
That's the thing we have in England, Working Man's Club.
alex ross
And she's just like, you know, whatever the guy's name is who's in charge of them, she goes, your gays are here!
You know, and it's like the whole place just stands still.
And, you know, they're bringing money for them.
And they form a bond.
They actually kind of turn them around.
It's happy-go-lucky, but then...
Not to put a dampener on it, but then, you know, the main guy is one of the...
He's the second person to contract AIDS in the UK. Oh, great.
Sorry.
Sorry.
Well, the other guy lives.
The other guy does live.
joe rogan
Did you hear that Russia recently banned transgender people from driving?
magnus walker
From driving.
alex ross
How would that impede anyone from driving properly?
joe rogan
Well, you've got to not dress like a woman or dress like a man if you're a woman.
alex ross
Could you...
joe rogan
I mean, I don't know if it's...
I think trans.
Transgender, transsexual, trans...
Transvestite.
alex ross
Trans anything.
joe rogan
Trans whatever you want.
unidentified
Transylvania.
alex ross
Transmission.
joe rogan
They have, like...
alex ross
VDK transmission.
joe rogan
They have, yes.
magnus walker
I like how we bounce around.
joe rogan
They have a manual transmission.
That doesn't make any sense.
alex ross
They're holding a stick.
joe rogan
Russian is, they're so archaic with their views on homosexuality.
And they've, like, decided to just literally ban gay people.
alex ross
Well, there's documentaries on that too.
joe rogan
It's fucking insane.
alex ross
Yeah, they go headhunting for them, like, you know, really crazy.
joe rogan
That country is falling apart right before our eyes and, coincidentally, doesn't make a good sports car.
magnus walker
Russia, yeah, no?
alex ross
Well, you know what they did?
magnus walker
Remember they had the Moscovitch in the 70s?
Remember that, the Russian Moscovitch?
alex ross
Yes, they did.
They bought the worst British car company you could possibly buy.
Remember that Russian guy?
He was like a 20-year-old kid, billionaire.
He bought TVR. Oh, Trevor out of Blackpool.
Yeah, he bought Trevor.
And that's not a good car company.
I mean, they...
magnus walker
I like the styling of the TVRs.
alex ross
No, the styling's good.
Just don't drive it.
Just don't drive it.
magnus walker
I gotta admit, they look cool.
alex ross
The windshield falls off.
magnus walker
They have a boatload of power.
alex ross
I remember that Top Gear episode where he's testing one of those weird-looking TVRs with the paint from the mid-early 2000s, and the windshield wiper actually just flies off.
I mean, it's a factory car.
It just flies off going 120 miles an hour.
joe rogan
This is how crazy Russia is.
They've lumped it all in with rational ideas.
Like, you shouldn't be allowed to drive if you're blind.
Shouldn't be allowed to drive if you have like...
alex ross
That's probably a good idea, right?
joe rogan
Yeah.
And then along with that, they listed the desire to live and be accepted as a member of the opposite sex and people who wear clothes of the opposite sex in order to experience temporary membership of the opposite sex.
Those people...
Russian drivers must not have sex disorder.
magnus walker
Can you have sex in a car in Russia though?
joe rogan
I hope so.
magnus walker
Yeah.
alex ross
I bet that's been going on since the communist era for sure.
But the crazy part is that, you know, they had their first F1 race there, right?
And sort of like coming to Texas, you know, a black guy, Lewis Hamilton, wins the first race.
You know, they don't see many black people in Russia.
I mean, it's a very sort of white place.
It's actually quite racist.
I know because I have Russian blood in me, unfortunately.
joe rogan
And that's the racist part of you?
alex ross
No, not at all.
Not at all, actually.
I was born and raised in London, very cosmopolitan.
I have many green, yellow, you know, black.
magnus walker
He's like the United Kellers of Benetton, really.
alex ross
Oh, there we go.
That's right.
I remember that ad.
I remember those ads.
joe rogan
I always think of him as American apparel, like CD basement, wood paneling.
That's how I look at you.
alex ross
No, but she got kicked out of the former Soviet Union.
unidentified
I remember seeing that Fear Factory episode you did down at the American Apparel facility down there in downtown LA. Speaking of which, our t-shirts are made by them.
alex ross
And printed in Fremont by the same guys that make it for Tesla.
joe rogan
So it's all here.
The main guy in American Apparel was supposed to be very weird.
magnus walker
Eccentric.
joe rogan
Shady.
alex ross
Shady.
Uh-oh.
joe rogan
Creepy.
Isn't he?
Like, there's all these articles written about him.
magnus walker
I never met him, but it does seem to attract him.
alex ross
We just pay the bills for it.
I don't know.
joe rogan
They tried to kick him out of the company, and somehow or another he bought his way back in.
magnus walker
That company got huge pretty quick.
You know, stores everywhere and, you know, all over the world.
joe rogan
Well, it's all teenagers in their underwear and wood paneled in the basements.
alex ross
Well, the cool thing is actually about that company is that on the labels, you know, we can specify what we want.
So, like, you know, that blue, that bright blue thing, you know, it's not that one, because that's a demo, but we're going to have labels that say, you know...
magnus walker
Wear until it smells?
alex ross
Wear until it smells, yeah, no.
This was made by, you know, people over the age of, you know, 12, you know, that didn't, you know, earn one cent a month, you know, it wasn't exploited, you know.
magnus walker
Well, that's a whole big thing, fully vertical.
alex ross
It was done in L.A. by real wages.
magnus walker
They knit the fabric in L.A., they cut it, they sew it right there on Alameda and 6.3.
joe rogan
Yeah, well, I've been to their factory.
alex ross
There's no shark fins in it?
joe rogan
Yeah, there are regular people.
magnus walker
They've got like a million square feet of production down there.
joe rogan
It's unbelievable.
alex ross
I hope it's not all a front, though, because I'd be really disappointed.
joe rogan
No, no, no.
alex ross
And then it's actually made in Honduras.
joe rogan
No, you can see the factory.
No, it's made in DTLA. I mean, I've walked down through their...
I've actually...
When we were filming there, we actually walked through their factory.
alex ross
Yeah, but see what happened, this is going back to the geeky thing, sorry, but when I, you know...
magnus walker
Are we still talking about England and four channels?
joe rogan
We're talking about whatever the fuck we're talking about.
alex ross
No, but when, so 1998, you know, I'm out of university, 97 actually, I'm out of university and I'm doing this website thing and I'm going to, you know what CES is right now?
Yes, the Computer Expo.
It used to be called Condex.
magnus walker
Is that like the Big Bang Theory for geeks or that's Comic-Con, right?
alex ross
It's the Big Wang Theory, actually.
magnus walker
The Big Wang.
alex ross
Yeah.
Wang Chung tonight.
Yes, Wang Chung.
I was invited to go and speak in Taipei at the Chinese version of it.
And I went there and you got to visit all these motherboard companies in Taiwan.
And you're like, oh, this is where I get my Asus motherboard and I overclock it.
And they're like, oh, thank you for mentioning us and all this stuff.
magnus walker
You know what he's talking about?
alex ross
Yeah.
Yeah, he knows.
He knows.
Sorry.
joe rogan
I used to build computers.
unidentified
Oh, OK. I had to have Alex fix my printer the other day.
alex ross
And there's all these rather nice factories in Taiwan, but you're sort of looking there and going, this isn't made in Taiwan.
They're not actually doing anything.
All they're doing is taking these things and boxing them, and there's like dust that thick on the equipment and on the tables, and you start to realize actually what they're doing is they're making it in China for way, way less.
Sorry to break that, but it was disappointing.
joe rogan
Oh, so they make them in China and they box it up.
alex ross
Yeah, but it looks like they're made in...
So I was just saying, I hope it's not like that with those t-shirts.
joe rogan
I don't believe it is.
alex ross
Because I was very...
I wanted to go with a company that was local, keep it sort of, you know, in California.
I don't care about paying more for it.
magnus walker
Think global, act local.
alex ross
Well, I feel bad for, you know, 12-year-old kids or whatever in Honduras or wherever it is, you know, earning a dollar a month, you know, to work 20 hours a day to make a t-shirt that I can sell for, you know, whatever, 30 bucks.
That doesn't feel good.
joe rogan
Yeah, that whole thing that people...
alex ross
It really doesn't.
joe rogan
Something happened in America where they started moving almost all of our factories and all of our...
magnus walker
Overseas.
joe rogan
Yeah.
All, I mean, most of the cars.
I mean, look at what happened to Detroit.
Detroit was essentially gutted.
I mean, Detroit had some of the most amazing cars.
magnus walker
That was the first city I came to in the States, Detroit.
I mean, that's like a ghost.
alex ross
Oh, you couldn't have picked a better one.
magnus walker
You know, I flew into New York, took a trailways bus from New York to Detroit, worked on a summer camp with kids, that was how I got to America in 1986, and then spent some time in Detroit, which looks great from Windsor if you go across the, you know, into Canada.
alex ross
Truth be told, as you would say, you didn't have your driver's license either, did you?
magnus walker
No, no, I didn't drive in England either, you know, as a kid growing up.
Nobody had, we couldn't afford one, first of all, that was our thing.
alex ross
No, we couldn't either.
She spent everything on my stupid school.
magnus walker
You went everywhere on the bus for 5p, but...
You know, it's...
alex ross
You can go back now and get an old age pension, a free pass.
magnus walker
Yeah, I could do it.
Yeah, almost.
You know, what is that, AAP once you get to 50?
unidentified
48?
joe rogan
Is it 50?
magnus walker
I'm getting there.
I'm almost there.
alex ross
It's close.
Yeah, it's close.
magnus walker
I will say, though, just for the record, the first car I ever bought, I bought it here in L.A., passed my driver's test in L.A., I think in 1987 when I was 20, at the Santa Monica DMV in a 1977 Toyota Corolla 2TC that I paid 200 bucks for.
So that was the very first car I owned.
joe rogan
The second car was a Sob Turbo 900 SPG, and the third one was a 911. What do you guys feel as Englishmen living in America?
Top Gear, the number one television show of all time when it comes to cars, but Jeremy Clarkson is pretty adamant about being like anti-Porsche.
alex ross
Yeah, he's known to be a bit of a knobhead about Porsches, and that's okay.
He actually, there's this episode, I believe it's...
magnus walker
They love caravans on Top Gear.
alex ross
Yeah, it's before the new sort of format.
I think it was either late 90s or early 2000s.
You should look this up.
It's on YouTube by now.
He takes what now is probably a $60,000, $70,000 911. It was like a, you know, $73,000 911. Yeah, he dropped some piano on it.
He tries to destroy it.
He hits walls with it.
It keeps going, yeah.
magnus walker
That must have been the first generation.
That show initially was canned because Tiff Nadell was on the first one.
alex ross
Well, that's what I grew up watching.
And I think you mentioned this with Chris Harris, how Tiff Nadell drove with him and stuff.
magnus walker
Yeah, that was the first incarnation.
And from what I can gather...
alex ross
I actually liked it better then.
I mean, it's really spectacular now with all the explosions and all the silliness.
But...
magnus walker
It's sort of like Jackass for car guys.
alex ross
Yeah.
magnus walker
Tiff Nadell's show, Fifth Gear, I did that show, and that seems to be a bit more of a serious driving show.
alex ross
Well, all of them can drive, too.
And what's her name?
Vicky, who used to be on Top Gear.
joe rogan
There he is right there with this car.
alex ross
Yeah.
Oh, dude, your man is on point.
magnus walker
On point?
Look at that.
alex ross
I wouldn't have found it as good as that.
unidentified
Look at him, he's got- He doesn't even have any- He's gonna smash that car though.
joe rogan
I mean, that is a fucking beautiful car.
magnus walker
You gotta remember though, back then these cars were under 10 grand all day long.
joe rogan
Now- Isn't that amazing?
magnus walker
It's amazing how prices doubled and then tripled.
joe rogan
Like what is like a 1972, like really- 911 S. Well, if it's an S, well prepared.
magnus walker
Two to three hundred grand.
joe rogan
That's incredible.
Dude, a 73 RS. He drops a fucking piano on it.
Don't do it, Jeremy.
alex ross
Yep.
That's the final...
unidentified
That looks good on camera.
alex ross
Yeah.
joe rogan
Ah, fuck, man!
alex ross
No, but he does way worse.
He goes into, like, walls.
He just cripples the thing, and it just keeps on going.
That's the joke about it, really.
joe rogan
It is kind of fucked up that that car takes such a beating.
They are rock-solid cars, man.
alex ross
Yeah, they are.
Well, look at, I mean, who would have thought, you know, we're racing around in the canyons in a 71. It's just set up right, you know?
magnus walker
Yeah, 277's, well, 44 years old now.
You know, that thing's aging very well.
alex ross
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, those cars are amazing.
alex ross
I feel bad just watching that, actually.
It doesn't do well.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's gross.
magnus walker
It is crazy, though.
alex ross
I'd rather watch those other videos that you found last time of, like, people making love to orangutans.
joe rogan
You are on the wrong show.
alex ross
No, no, no, it was.
No, no, I think, no, it wasn't that.
You were saying a horse was banging a dude.
joe rogan
That's true.
alex ross
That was the one that you were really high on that one last time.
joe rogan
Hey, hey, with the language.
alex ross
Sorry.
joe rogan
Not...
alex ross
That's true.
joe rogan
Shocked.
Disraced.
Disturbed.
High on.
No.
High on the movie Avatar.
I enjoyed that.
High on that.
You're high on life.
alex ross
Actually, and it was in your stand-up, too.
You said the noise that that guy makes will stay with you for the entire life.
joe rogan
Well, it will if you've ever watched it.
alex ross
I didn't watch it, but you made the noise, so it was as good as watching it.
joe rogan
Thank you.
alex ross
Appreciate it.
It was coal mining somewhere in Kentucky or something.
joe rogan
Back to my original point.
Did you ever want to get Jeremy Clarkson one of your 4.1s?
I mean, I want that guy to drive that car.
alex ross
Not him.
Not him, but actually Richard Hammond.
joe rogan
But he likes Porsches.
alex ross
Right.
He had a GT3 RS, a green one like ours.
I really wanted him to drive ours because I think he'd understand it.
Clarkson, first of all, he wouldn't fit in the seat because he's a bit of a chubby, tubby guy.
magnus walker
He is getting a bit chubby, right?
joe rogan
Yeah, well, if Matt Farah fits in, how the fuck could Clarkson not fit in?
alex ross
That's true, actually.
He just said on the way over that when we were driving his car, that when Matt Frost sat in it, it's developed a new creek.
magnus walker
Yeah, a new creek that wasn't there before Matt sat in it.
joe rogan
A good solid 250, if not higher.
magnus walker
Yeah, the weight distribution was a little bit different with him in the car.
joe rogan
Yeah, he could go on a little bit of a diet and be better.
magnus walker
Nice guy, though.
alex ross
He's a great guy.
magnus walker
He had fun in the 277, so that was good.
I think he had fun in the GT2 as well.
joe rogan
He was raving about your 277. He was raving about the way it handles, about how that sticks to the road.
magnus walker
I think it surprised the stick.
alex ross
No, Matt sort of got it towards the end of the day too, because at first he was like, holy shit, holy shit, this thing's like, you know, and then I said, just ease in, just ease in, and the more time you spend with that GT2, such as a month...
magnus walker
Ease in pretty quick, because before we got to the Canyon, I was in the passenger seat when he was driving, and we did do the 147. Well, he's also like...
alex ross
147 kilometers.
magnus walker
No, it was miles per hour.
It was 147. It was a professional driver on a closed course.
I mean, come on.
Full disclaimer here.
joe rogan
Matt Ferrer is also one of those guys that really loves cars.
When you're around him, it's the same sort of infectious sort of energy.
alex ross
Sort of for hours, yeah.
joe rogan
When he's driving those cars in those videos, I mean, that's how I became friends with him, is watching his videos and then reaching out to him.
His videos are fun.
He's enjoying driving those cars.
It's not like some sort of an antiseptic review of these things.
He's excited about it.
magnus walker
Passionate.
joe rogan
He's got a collection of cars himself.
alex ross
I love his DeLorean.
magnus walker
I love his DeLorean.
I saw him up in Monterey, we parked next to each other and he was going everywhere in that DeLorean.
Got a lot of style.
alex ross
You know a guy that shows up in a DeLorean, that's a good dude.
joe rogan
He's here to party.
magnus walker
Good sense of humor.
joe rogan
Yeah, I saw one the other day in Hollywood, so I looked for Matt.
Yeah, I looked to see if it was Matt driving.
alex ross
It was just some weird nerd?
joe rogan
Some guy.
I mean, they're cool to drive now.
magnus walker
I posted a photo.
I ran into him at the LA Auto Show not long ago, the opening day, and he just happened to be parking in the same spot underground at the convention center, but he pulled into the handicap zone.
He didn't park there, but he pulled into there.
Opened up the door and I took a photo and of course I had to put it up online and of course within like three minutes is all this hate of, why is that asshole parking in a handicapped zone in the DeLorean?
It didn't take long for that to sort of get punchy.
joe rogan
Mentally handicapped for owning a DeLorean, that's what it is.
alex ross
I think we're all claimed.
Challenged here.
magnus walker
A little bit.
joe rogan
That's not a bad thing.
Excited in a very illogical way.
Let's put it that way.
magnus walker
Makes sense to me.
alex ross
That's a mouthful.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
I want to get Jeremy Clarkson in one of your cars, man.
alex ross
I really do.
It would be, hey, Jeremy, if you're out there...
unidentified
If you're listening?
magnus walker
I'm sure he's listening, right?
joe rogan
Come on, I'm sure he is.
unidentified
You know what?
alex ross
He doesn't even know what the internet is.
Seriously, he does not.
joe rogan
I'm sure he's probably aware of it.
alex ross
He calls it the interweb.
joe rogan
Interweb.
alex ross
Well, he's fucking around.
You know what he calls a Prius?
A Prius.
You know what he calls an iPod?
An iPod.
joe rogan
Well, you guys said it's aluminum wrong, too.
magnus walker
Tomato, tomato, color, color.
joe rogan
What's up with aluminum?
magnus walker
Aluminium?
joe rogan
It's not how it's spelled.
alex ross
I don't know.
joe rogan
Spelled aluminum.
Do they spell it differently over there?
magnus walker
They just pronounce it differently.
Color is spelled differently.
alex ross
C-O-L-O-U-R. All I can say is if you don't want to speak English anymore, then go ahead and speak Spanish.
joe rogan
No, we're speaking American.
magnus walker
You're speaking American.
alex ross
No, no, you're speaking English, brother.
joe rogan
No, we run the world now.
It's a different thing.
alex ross
No, China does.
joe rogan
You'd say so, but we have all the bombs.
Essentially, if the shit hits the fan, America takes it.
alex ross
China has some bombs, so does...
joe rogan
We will own this nuclear wasteland that is the world if we all go to war.
alex ross
Yeah, that's just pretty shit.
magnus walker
It goes to Hollywood, right?
alex ross
Go to war.
magnus walker
Go to war.
alex ross
When two tribes go to war.
magnus walker
Yeah, when two tribes go to war.
joe rogan
You guys can't deny America when you already moved over here and said how awesome it is.
magnus walker
Hey, it's the land of opportunity.
The grass is greener on the other side.
alex ross
Hey, I'm an American citizen, I'll have you know.
unidentified
Holla!
alex ross
You know how I became an American citizen?
Only in this country.
joe rogan
How?
alex ross
I was working way too hard.
You married next kid.
Yeah, I shook hands with him and we went across the border.
magnus walker
When did you come to the States again?
alex ross
98. Alright, so you were newbies almost.
Newbie, yeah.
No, so I did all the process.
I had what was known as an O-1 visa, which is like a special thing pre-9-11.
It was kind of easy to get in L.A. for people that were like internet celebrities.
magnus walker
Whoa, internet celebrities.
alex ross
Dude, you should have seen my groupies, man.
magnus walker
Can we Google Sharky Extreme or something?
alex ross
I don't know.
Sharky Extreme?
Oh, dude, don't do that.
Don't do that.
Don't do that.
Yeah, but when you went to these things, you know, there was actually one time that a woman actually showed up.
So it was, like, really cool groupie one time.
I had a woman, but most of them were guys.
Anyways, back to that.
Yeah, no.
magnus walker
You watch The Big Bang Theory, right?
That's sort of how I imagine your life a little bit.
alex ross
No, no.
But when I got here, I had the O-1 visa.
Then I got a green card.
I got married to my girlfriend who was a game developer.
And I started another company after retiring, which was Shark Works, out of a hobby again.
And sort of a few years into that, I'm like, okay, I have to get the second green card, which I think is three years later.
So they make the appointment, and I lose the card.
Right?
joe rogan
You lose it.
alex ross
The way I lose it is by bringing it back to them.
magnus walker
I've seen how he loses.
alex ross
Yeah.
Lose my lunch.
magnus walker
I got a good green card story when you're done.
alex ross
No, no.
So I take the green card back to them, the original one, and then I'm supposed to come back in three months and pick up the second version of the green card.
I don't get to the appointment on time because, you know, I'm supposed to make an appointment within six to nine months, and I'm so busy with SharkWorks that I don't.
So I come there, the officer there, you know, eventually is like, hmm, well, we're never going to find it.
I mean, you're here like a year late.
So you could either start this process again, or do you want to just become an American citizen?
Literally, I'm not kidding you.
And I was like, okay.
magnus walker
Did you get a test right there on the spot?
alex ross
Yeah, so I did like a...
No, not on the spot.
I had to come back and do a history test.
And at the time...
magnus walker
You talking about the Mustang?
alex ross
No, no, no.
What was this?
This John Adams thing was on HBO. It was fucking useful.
magnus walker
Sam Adams' brother.
alex ross
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
That's the one.
magnus walker
These are American stories, right?
alex ross
Yeah, man.
unidentified
You've got to know them all.
alex ross
I'm not a US citizen, so I'm going to do some schooling here.
So I picked up on that, and then, you know, my education finally came in handy because, you know, we did a lot of history and stuff.
And actually, you know, the Brits did kind of rule the...
Britannia ruled the waves back then.
You know, we colonized everything.
magnus walker
That's right.
alex ross
Talk to yourself about that.
Including the wing of a GT2. Yeah, yeah.
But, yeah...
So that's how I got it.
That's amazing.
joe rogan
So you came in for a visa and they said, look, just become a fucking citizen.
alex ross
Just become a fucking citizen.
You speak English.
You look kind of weird.
magnus walker
They never said that to me.
My green card, sorry, I'll make it really short.
I'm on a green card.
I've been here 28 years.
A couple of years back, I go to England.
Leave LA, no problem.
Get into England, no problem.
Ten days later, I'm ready to go back to LA. And they go, okay, we need to see a green card.
I hadn't even looked at it in about two years.
Well, it turned out it had expired.
alex ross
Oh, yeah.
magnus walker
I'm thinking, what's the big deal?
It's sort of like an expired driving license.
It's only two weeks.
Before you know it, Homeland Security's coming in.
alex ross
Flying on a suspended green card.
magnus walker
Yeah, Karen's all upset because we're like, how long is this going to take?
You go, well, you may have to stay here a week or two and go to the embassy and blah, blah, blah.
Anyway, long story short, we got a 24-hour extension just to fly back into the States.
Got sort of hammered when I came into LAX because, of course, they thought this was some Mickey Mouse 24-hour extension.
But long story short, don't let your green card expire.
joe rogan
In 2015, it's really hard to become a US citizen, right?
It's much harder than it was back then.
alex ross
I think for a white English guy that has, or had a posh English accent, it's probably not as hard as it is for people of other ethnicities.
magnus walker
You mean for a guy with a northern accent?
alex ross
No, I'm talking with a different skin color, a turban.
magnus walker
You're saying it's all right if you're all white?
Have you heard about the Turban Outlaw thing we're doing?
joe rogan
The Turban Outlaw.
magnus walker
Turban Outlaw, chop chop, little rickshaw boy.
unidentified
How dare you, Turban Outlaw.
alex ross
Doesn't start in a corner shop, does it?
magnus walker
No, the band corner shop, no, does not start in a corner shop.
joe rogan
Have you ever thought about doing something like what Sanger's doing, but doing it with, like, the actual classic shape, you know, 1970s, late 1960s car, and, like, No, you know, I think I touched on that earlier on about I don't build customer cars.
I know you don't, but goddamn what a demand there would be for your car.
magnus walker
There's a demand there for sure, but you know, then it goes for me from being a hobby and a passion to a job and a business, which means responsibilities.
It's like if you come to me and say, hey, I love your car, but...
All of a sudden, it's not my car.
It's your interpretation of my car.
It might have some tweed on it, and it might be pumped up.
All of a sudden, it's got your personality, which is fine.
But then I'm sort of under the pressure, I believe, to make you happy, to build the car to your expectations, your timeline, your deadline.
alex ross
So...
magnus walker
I don't really have any interest in turning that side over to becoming like a production line.
Even though I know if I built, let's say, three or five cars a year, I could probably sell them, because I've had no problem selling cars.
You know, through the press I've got, people...
I get all these emails, if you ever want to sell that car, let me know type of thing.
joe rogan
It's interesting, though, with so many collectors out there and so many people who customize cars and do...
You've sort of, somehow or another, just by Just your own infectious passion and enthusiasm.
You've risen to the top of this short group.
magnus walker
You're probably talking about the long hair and the beard, I think.
joe rogan
It's a little bit of that, the tattoos.
alex ross
You don't have time to cut that stuff anyway, do you?
magnus walker
Yeah, no, no time.
For me, I think it was luck and timing.
You know, last year was the 50th anniversary of the 911.
So you could not escape hearing about Porsche and the 911, 50th anniversary issues.
And I think from a story point of view, the builds that I were doing were quite interesting.
But I also think not being your typical Porsche-looking guy, because truth be told, there is a stereotype, especially in L.A., of doctor, lawyer, Beverly Hills guy driving around, never taking his car to the canyons, you know, just more of a status symbol situation.
So I was a complete opposite of that.
So I think from a story point of view, why I got a lot of sort of momentum was a couple of things.
Timing, not looking like your typical Porsche guy.
And also the cars that I build, instantly recognizable as 911s, but just slightly tweaked.
You know, it's the little details that I think separate my builds from the countless other people building cars.
And the one common thread between the fashion, the clothing, and the property and the filming that we do is just putting our own little style on it, which became personality.
And for me, I never set out to say, okay, Here's the 1973 RSR that left the factory, the Porsche factory, and everyone that replicates that car just duplicates exactly what the factory did.
alex ross
Well, and I want to make this point, too, because a lot of people are going to ask me, how did this happen?
You know, he hasn't made a single cent from, like, what happened is, you know, we sat down by the fireplace, had a love affair, and had a baby.
You know, which is a GT2, Outlaw GT2. Oh, you mean you two together?
unidentified
Yeah.
magnus walker
I wasn't sure what he was talking about there either, actually.
alex ross
Oh, just check your rear end later for Cole.
magnus walker
Yeah, Cole Miner's daughter.
alex ross
Oh, jeez.
magnus walker
That's a good film.
alex ross
This is going downhill fast.
No, but...
Actually, the only thing he's gotten out of me was a 1-18th scale white GT2, which I just happened to send him the day I got the car.
And the funny story is that Dan, who was here last time, him and I, the first day we got that GT2, we're like, Well, it's not as pretty or flashy or crazy as that blue and orange car.
What the hell?
What we need to do is make a sketch of his 277 car.
So we used Photoshop, or he did, because I suck at it.
And he did a five-minute job of a tribute car to the 277 and emailed it to him.
And I texted him, and he's like, how's the horsepower coming?
Basically, that's an English subtle way of saying, don't quit your day job.
magnus walker
Stick to making cars go faster and not look better.
Perhaps the moral to that story.
alex ross
And I sort of kept needling, needling and needling and he had to live with it.
I guess he got passionate about the car, so he did it.
magnus walker
This thing evolved organically.
I think I touched on it in the past.
People have asked me to collaborate on some of the people's builds.
And for me, I had to be connected to the car.
And I think when they left the car with me for as long as I wanted, really.
alex ross
It rained for a long time.
magnus walker
Yeah, it rained for a long time in LA. But I finally connected with the car, and then it just made sense to put my personality on that car.
Because for me, this is not about money.
I'm not making money off this collaboration.
It was just a fun project that, wow, this is great.
I've got this awesome car that I can keep for a little bit, hence the OPP, other people's Porsches.
alex ross
It's our baby.
magnus walker
You can have them any time.
And I can do with it whatever I want to do.
For me, it was really exciting to put my interpretation on a new car.
I'm sort of moving forward in the Porsche years.
I often talk about variety and wanting to experience more of what Porsche's got to offer.
So for me, my original goal was having one of each year from 64 through 73, which covered short-wheelbase and long-wheelbase cars.
Now you need one from 2007. No, my new goal now is to have one of every generation, the seven generations of Porsche, you know, through the G series into the 993, 964, 996, 997, 991. So I want to experience everything that Porsche has to offer in the 911 range so far.
I've covered sort of...
I've driven all those cars, but I've never owned them.
joe rogan
Well, let me ask you about this, then.
You really love those old cars, and one of the things you love about those old cars is the tactile feel that you get when, you know, you're dealing with a car that weighs 2,000-plus pounds.
It's such a light car.
You feel the road.
alex ross
No insulation.
joe rogan
No power steering.
You literally feel the pebbles that you're driving over.
When you get to 996 and 997, you're going to get a more muted feel.
magnus walker
It's a muted experience compared to the earlier.
joe rogan
Until you get to the GT3s.
And the GT3s sort of removes some of that insulation.
alex ross
So what better car to do it on than a car that only produced 200. Nobody understands.
And when you say new car, it is a newer era car, but it's actually a 2008 car.
joe rogan
Are you talking about your car?
alex ross
Yeah, the GT2. Put it this way, right?
Walter Rohl, who is the world's greatest ex-rally driver.
He used to drive Group B rally cars that were like death traps and win.
He did mid-seven minutes in a Carrera GT and the exact same time in a stock version of that GT2. So...
magnus walker
The GT2 these guys have got's got 200 horsepower more than the Carrera GT. And British flags on it.
But it's an easier car to drive.
joe rogan
But is it unmanageable?
I mean, when you get to that kind of power?
alex ross
The way he drives it, actually, he manages it.
You wear it well.
joe rogan
But is there a point of diminishing returns?
Where you have too much power in a car?
And you're spending so much time trying to figure out how to keep the wheel down.
alex ross
Trying to not kill yourself?
joe rogan
Yeah.
magnus walker
You obviously don't need 775 horsepower.
alex ross
You always say too much power is never enough.
magnus walker
I'm the less is more type of guy, but I've got to say horsepower is addictive.
I had that Mopar background driving the Superbees, and those things were addictive in a straight line.
The GT2, there's no question that's a scary car, and it's got 775 horsepower.
But that's sort of part of the challenge of can you man up and sort of...
unidentified
Yeah.
magnus walker
To conquer that power.
You know, and that's one of those things that unless you, you know, I've got really big bolts or really talented, I think you've got to grow into that.
So to me, that's the challenge of trying to get the most out of that car.
You know, and I've sort of been lucky through these guys to be able to drive various variations of the GT3. You know, I've driven in stock form.
I've driven the 3.9.
I've driven the 4.1.
I've driven that GT2. This year, I got to drive a lot of my dream cars, the 911R. I drove a 74 RSR, but I drove three of Porsche's iconic super hyper cars, the 959, the Carrera GT, and the 918. And they all offer, I keep going back to variety because they all do the same thing differently.
And that's sort of what's great about the GT2. It does the same thing, but it just delivers it in a different form.
alex ross
Challenging.
magnus walker
You know, and the challenge there is, truth be told, that car is done by 7,000 RPM. You're on the limiter, you're bouncing off the limiter at 6,800 RPM and it's done.
Step into 277 that's got a quarter of the horsepower, that thing will rev over 8,000.
Step into the GT3 3.9 or 4.1, those things go to, what, 86, 88?
joe rogan
We're kind of just talking about numbers here, but what my point is is like there's two different schools of thought and two different philosophies that you're dealing with.
You're dealing with, in one school of thought, the cars that you are famous for, which are these really lightweight cars that are very tactile and there's some sort of a strange character to those cars.
Like even when that Urban Outlaw video, when you get into that silver car and you rev it and you're looking at the gauges, it has a feel to it that you just do not get from a modern car.
alex ross
But there is a, there is, I mean, you've admitted this too, there is like some level of connection between them.
There's the DNA that's still there.
joe rogan
Unquestionably.
alex ross
You know, it's a little heavier, it's a little more modern, it has a cup holder, but it's still got that, that's why I said the golden era is 2007 to 2011, those GT cars, they have, they're all manual.
They still have that link to the real 911. That's why that car has gone up in value so much, you know, all the GT cars, because people that know, and there aren't many of them, unfortunately, and that like to drive, they get it, and they've had older cars, or they want older cars, you know, or their parents have had older cars, and they drive these new ones, and it's like, you know what?
Okay, it does all that stuff a little more comfortably and has nav and all that shit, but it's still a 911. I think the GT3 up to what you've got, the 997, is the connection to what I've got from the 6s and 7s.
That's what I said.
Your two 7s and 7s are baby.
magnus walker
Yeah, it's like a baby GT3 because that throttle response, the lightness, the way it feels the road, the way it turns in, it's back to that, I keep talking about it, the five senses, the connection, the sight, the sound, the feel, the smell.
The GT3 has that.
You know, and that's what's great about those cars.
I've yet to own one.
I'm trying to get a 996 GT3, so I think that's the most bang for the buck.
I mean, truth be told, I've been collecting these early 911s for over 20 years when you could find them in auto trader.
I bought 277 at the Pomona Swamp Meet in 1999, and it's the second Porsche I ever owned, and it's evolved into what's become, I think, the car that I'm most connected with.
You know, all my memorable moments and everything you talk about, that tactile feel and the connection and sort of what I think to me got across in Urban Outlaw, the documentary, is it's a common thread that everyone relates to.
You've always got your favorite car that you go back to.
And I describe that being like my old favorite pair of beat-up jeans or your old shoes because you're just comfortable in it.
There's no surprises.
And it's funny, you know, you spoke highly about Matt Raven about the car.
You know, he got comfortable in that car.
Within half a mile where, you know, he was pushing that car.
So the limits are not that high where, yeah, the car's fast, but it's not GT2 fast where, you know, you're not going to get way over your head really quickly.
I think that's the difference.
And that, to me, is the challenge of driving these early cars is, yeah, they're antiquated by today's standards, but it's...
Every time you get in, I talk about driving for me is freedom, because I don't commute.
I walk to work, so 80% of my drives are pure pleasure.
It's like you working out in the gym.
No two experiences are the same, I don't think.
But there's that rewarding satisfaction, I assume.
I don't work out, but to me...
I often say some people like to go to gyms to work out.
I like to get in the car and drive.
That's my physical and mental workout is behind the seat of that car because nothing else matters when you're there.
You're not thinking about what you might be pissed off about or something that's sort of bugging you.
When you're behind that wheel, it is this sort of almost out-of-body sensory type of expression of man and machine on the open road in the simplest form.
joe rogan
Lightweight cars.
That's where you're getting this experience.
I think that's one of the things that people miss when they talk, oh, I don't care about cars.
Cars get me there.
Everybody gets wrapped up in cars.
I think what they're dealing with is the difference between a modern commuting car and what you're driving, which is essentially like a ride.
You're in a ride.
alex ross
Well, that's why I said it's sort of like, I like surfing.
I've had seven concussions, so I can't do it anymore.
joe rogan
You got a concussion from surfing?
alex ross
I got one from surfing and six from soccer, football.
Oh, and sorry, one from being a passenger in a car one time.
joe rogan
That was from Ralph, right?
alex ross
Yeah.
magnus walker
You were semi-pro footballer back in the day?
alex ross
No, just basically, let's just call it public school boy footballer then.
How about that?
That sounds sexier.
magnus walker
So David Beckham shouldn't be worried about your football skills?
alex ross
No, no, I was two left feet.
Two left feet?
No, no.
No, I was left-footed.
It's sort of like surfing where it's not for everybody.
It doesn't make sense.
I mean, in Northern California, you go out, it's 50 degrees in the water.
There are some sharks, actually.
And it's gnarly, and the surfers are not friendly at all.
They're very localized, and they hate you, and you can't open your mouth if you don't live there.
magnus walker
Sounds like Point Break.
I just watched that film like, It's like that, actually.
joe rogan
That's an issue with surfers, man.
Their violence with surfers.
alex ross
Let me tell you, Santa Cruz, where I go, you know, it's not the friendly city.
I mean, you would think they're all, you know, lit all the time and everything, but they're not friendly.
It's not a broadcast up there?
No, it's a, this is my wavefest and get the fuck out of the wavefest.
unidentified
What's that Kiefer Sutherland movie that's set there?
alex ross
Kiefer Sutherland?
magnus walker
Yeah, Lost Boys.
alex ross
Oh, Lost Boys.
Yeah, Lost Boys.
joe rogan
Santa Cruz.
magnus walker
That's Santa Cruz, right?
unidentified
Is it?
joe rogan
Yeah.
I don't know.
I don't think the location was like a main point in that movie.
alex ross
No, I think it was the vampires.
Yeah, the vampires was the big deal.
You missed the point, dude.
magnus walker
Missed the point, alright.
alex ross
But...
When I go surfing, I mean, there's better things to do with your time that are less risky, probably.
Because it is kind of risky to do that.
So driving a crazy, weird, low production car that doesn't make a lot of sense, it's challenging.
But then, you know, why do people, you know, I mean, not to make it sound glamorous, but, you know, why do people bungee jump or why do they You know, I want to do something that's sort of challenging and takes time and it's rewarding.
You know, you get one out of ten shifts correct.
joe rogan
That's what Max is talking about, senses.
It's a sensory...
alex ross
But it's a challenge, right?
I mean, you know, like with your MMA stuff, I mean, you probably started as a white belt, you know, back in...
joe rogan
Everybody does.
alex ross
Right.
magnus walker
That's where you start, right?
joe rogan
Oh, sorry.
alex ross
What do you have now?
magnus walker
You got like a dozen black belts or something?
alex ross
Yeah, well, exactly.
But it takes time, and it's challenging, and, you know, you beat up your body, and it feels good when you get there.
So, you know, the blue car beat the shit out of us in terms of the development, the costs, the setbacks, the, you know...
It didn't make any sense to do that, you know?
I should have just focused on something that, you know, was a high-volume, high-production car, like a...
I don't know, like a Prius, and made it get better gas mileage, you know?
Then I'd be, you know, driving the world's most pimped-out Prius, probably.
But...
That's not what I wanted to do.
I wanted to do something that feels good and it's challenging and work with these...
You're surrounded by weirdos like him.
That's what happens.
magnus walker
I think passion projects go a long way.
For me, the best things in life are never easy.
alex ross
Literally, like I said, there is one thing he's getting out of it.
So, other than the 1-18th scale model, I said, dude, I cannot look at your smashed iPhone 5 anymore.
You're really, really good at all these pictures and everything.
I'm buying you an iPhone 6 and I'm helping you upgrade.
That's what he's getting.
magnus walker
Let me tell you my iPhone background.
I resisted, resisted, resisted.
Up until 18 months ago, I was still Motorola Flip Razer phone.
And that, to me, was cool.
Because everyone's here with their iPhone, giving it this, that, and the other.
What the fuck is that about?
And then finally my Motorola Razr died and I literally had no choice other than a real sort of throwaway crap burner phone or bought the iPhone.
alex ross
The ones for grandmas that only have three buttons?
magnus walker
Something like that, yeah, exactly.
It was that or an iPhone 5. So I got the iPhone.
I remember I got it before Amelia Island last year.
So Amelia Island I think is March.
So barely had the iPhone two years and that's sort of how my life changed in two years was never on Facebook, wasn't on Well, he's still not on Twitter.
alex ross
Yeah, I'm trying to set him up with that.
joe rogan
He's probably already got Magnus Walker.
I think someone does.
alex ross
You know what we can do?
We can do Sharknus Walker.
magnus walker
Yeah, there you go.
alex ross
That's what we can do.
joe rogan
Sharknus Walker.
magnus walker
Magnus Walker 9-11.
joe rogan
My friend Ari went back to the flip phone.
magnus walker
Ari Gold?
joe rogan
No, Ari Shafir.
He's a stand-up comedian.
He abandoned his iPhone and went to a flip phone.
He does all of his social media stuff either on a computer or not.
He doesn't check his Twitter on his phone.
He's like, I was getting too wrapped up and like I would be talking to someone and I go...
alex ross
Dude, I fell asleep last night on like literally that my iPhone hit my forehead three times and I finally gave up because I was like, what the fuck am I gonna post?
Yeah, another concussion.
I'm looking, and I don't think it's spelled correctly, and it's probably a bunch of weird, winding characters or something.
joe rogan
Well, it brings me back to what I was going to say.
What were we going to say?
There's senses.
There's something about iPhones that drag people in, right?
There's something about being able to look at videos, and you're interacting with your phone.
The interaction that you get with those old cars, the feel that you get, the addiction that you get to getting in those things is very different than the new cars.
And is there, and I wanted to ask you this because you're the expert on those older cars, is there like a point where it crosses this line and it's not the same experience anymore?
And was there like a sweet spot in the production of cars?
Is there a spot where All the technological advances and all the advances in suspension, although they may allow you to get around a racetrack a little bit quicker, especially with like PDK transmissions with dual clutches working at the same time, they do allow you to get places faster.
Is it missing all the stuff that gets people excited about cars?
I mean, because I know that driving an automatic car is fun, it is satisfying, but I also know it's not as satisfying as shifting your own gears, as the feel that you're going to get from a car like yours.
And I think that that's something that's missing.
magnus walker
I think ultimately, moving forward, The manual may become a lost art, because you look at kids growing up today that don't know how to drive manual cars.
So their point of reference is completely different.
Most of us here, I think, learn driving a manual car.
And everything you said is perfectly true, that it's the interaction between man and machine which gets you down the road differently in a manual than what it does in a new car, in a PDK or automatic.
And as to trying to nail down a real answer to what is that sweet spot, I don't really know what the answer is to that question.
I've driven almost every Porsche out there.
I've driven the new turbos.
I've driven the new Cayman, which is a phenomenal car.
I've driven the 991 in manual and PDK. And the new manuals are not the same as the old manuals.
It's hard to heel and toe the way the pedals are set up, especially if you've got ceramic brakes.
joe rogan
Explain heel-toe to people who don't know what the fuck you're talking about.
magnus walker
Well, it's sort of an odd thing when you're downshifting, you know, you want to be basically on the brake and ripping the throttle at the same time, doing it with one foot, so covering two pedals with one foot.
And the early cars, it's really easy to sort of modulate the brake and the gas pedal.
You know, I've often put little blocks of wood on the gas pedal to bring it further up, so when you're all the way down on the brake, you can just sort of squeeze the brake with your right toe.
And roll over to the throttle to blip it, so you're matching the engine refs when you're downshifting.
That essentially is what heel and toe is.
It's a smoother transition between the gears.
joe rogan
So as you're shifting gears, you're revving the engine at the same time.
magnus walker
Yeah, to match.
joe rogan
And you're also dealing with a lightweight flywheel that allows the revs to drop.
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Some of them, yeah.
magnus walker
The early cars don't have that, but what these guys are doing is super throttle responsive lightweight flywheels.
alex ross
Yeah, lightweight components, it just makes it like...
magnus walker
You know, in a new manual 991, it's a little bit different, because you've got those ceramic brakes that travel on the brake pedal.
Let's say you're coming down Angelou's Crest Highway in fourth gear, you want to make a right or left-hand turn, you've got to go down, let's say, third or second, you've got to go down one or two gears, and you're all the way hard on the brakes.
The travel difference between the brake pedal and the throttle on those new cars is almost too big to roll over in heel and toe.
So, you know, they've sort of come around that with that Sport Plus mode where it automatically blips the throttle for you.
joe rogan
That's what I wanted to ask you about.
magnus walker
So when I first got in the car, you know, I can get it where my foot's almost on a 45 degree angle, knees sideways, where I can roll off, you know, keep my foot on the brake but still modulate the throttle at the same time.
So what I ended up doing was...
Double blipping.
I'd blip, and then almost the exact same time, the computer would automatically blip the throttle to match the revs, assuming that Porsche thought most people don't know how to heel and toe.
joe rogan
Now, the rev matching, they're doing that on new cars now.
I think the Nissan 370 was one of the first cars to do it.
alex ross
Yeah, there's actually the newest Porsche, which is sort of known as the We're Sorry Edition Porsche for GT3 guys.
What they did is, as I said, the 911 GT3 came out only in PDK. The GTS now has a proper manual transmission, not like the fake manual transmission with the 991. Well, it was actually, you could get a manual, a 7-speed 991 if you really, really tried, but it was essentially just a PDK box, that's all it was, with a freaking gear shifter.
joe rogan
And what's the difference?
alex ross
Well, I think Chris Harris explained it.
Oh, the new one is a real...
magnus walker
Should we get Chris in here to explain it?
alex ross
Yeah, to get Chris in here.
He's got it.
Yeah, no.
Well, like he was saying, you know, like you can go into like 7th gear and it's all like this.
magnus walker
7th gear is such an odd gear in those 991s.
Because when are you ever in 7th gear?
I guess if you're driving to Vegas.
alex ross
Well, because it was a PDK transmission.
joe rogan
Right, but the new one exists.
I mean, they have a 6-speed manual transmission to use.
alex ross
That's a new transmission, though.
joe rogan
The new one is...
The 7-speed is a new one.
alex ross
That's what's...
magnus walker
Does that go into 7-speed in sport mode?
alex ross
Yeah, it does.
No, no, it doesn't.
joe rogan
My point being, I've never found a 7-speed.
If it's so annoying, it's almost universally derided.
alex ross
But they have to use it because it's a PDK transmission.
magnus walker
Well, I think that's the thing with those new cars.
When you get in a 991 and it's PDK and you're just driving around town, before you're even up 50 miles an hour, you're in 6th or 7th gear.
joe rogan
For folks who don't know what the fuck we're talking about, PDK means automatic.
alex ross
It's...
joe rogan
It's a German word.
It's a crazy long word.
But what it stands for is two clutches.
And what it means is that there's one clutch that grabs the gear.
The second clutch already has the second gear in line.
alex ross
It already has it grabbed.
joe rogan
So the change between gears, between first and second gear, is literally instantaneous.
It's so fast that your brain can barely perceive it.
So as you're driving, when you're driving a manual car, you're like...
You let off the gas, you hit the clutch.
You put it in the next gear.
This one's like...
It shifts so quickly that there's no way you'd ever be able to do it on your own.
alex ross
And that's the fault of the Nissan GT-R, by the way.
joe rogan
The Nissan GT-R being so fast and so technologically...
magnus walker
And everyone says that called Solus, though, right?
alex ross
Well, actually, what nobody says...
It's a spaceship.
Well, yeah, which is really annoying because some of my customers bought them.
They fell for the hype.
And don't get me wrong, it's an amazing technological piece of blocky something.
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But...
alex ross
What it does is it takes a lot of weight.
That's a really, really heavy car.
So a lot of journalists will take it a few hot laps and it's like, man, look at this lap times.
Look at the lap times.
But the guys that actually ended up buying them and going on the weekend, they would have to change their fluids.
The brakes would be cooked after one session.
And one session meaning 20, 30 minutes.
magnus walker
That's not much.
alex ross
The Porsches, you just bang on them.
You change brakes and stuff eventually.
joe rogan
Do they have ceramic brakes?
alex ross
They have them too.
They have that option.
Yeah, even Corvettes have them.
Sorry, not even Corvettes.
I'm just saying, you know, cars that are a lot less...
magnus walker
Not new Corvette, let's be honest, that's a lot of bad for the buck.
joe rogan
Well, you were telling me that you had driven around the Camaro ZL1, and you were saying how addictive that was.
magnus walker
I wasn't sure.
alex ross
No, it was me.
joe rogan
It was me, the ZR1. But you got a chance to drive the Camaro for a while, didn't you?
alex ross
Oh, the Z28 you're talking about.
joe rogan
No, before that.
You didn't drive the ZL1? No.
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Goddammit.
magnus walker
Must be the other guy with the beard and the English accent.
joe rogan
I swear you were telling me, you've never driven one of those Camaros?
No, no, no, it wasn't yesterday.
magnus walker
It was a long time ago.
I was telling you I own a Super B, but no, never a Camaro.
joe rogan
You've never driven one?
They never loaned you one for a while?
No.
God, why do I feel like it was you?
You were talking about the...
magnus walker
I got visited by BMW, I got visited by Volvo, I got visited by Bent, believe it or not, the guy from Bugatti, but yeah, other than Porsche, no one's ever loaned me cars.
alex ross
Or Sharkworks.
magnus walker
Yeah, or Sharkworks.
You know, I'm just sort of thrilled that Porsche loans me cars.
But no, not me.
alex ross
Yeah.
No, but the 991 GTS, to touch on that, it's the latest one that they've just released.
And it does have a proper manual gearbox in it, not the pseudo PDK one.
That's one that says, like, the in-between car between the GT3 and the regular 991. And they're like, okay, you can order it in manual.
We don't care about performance numbers.
You know, it's an N.A. car.
It's sort of like a manual GT3, if you would.
joe rogan
N.A. meaning naturally aspirated.
alex ross
N.A. meaning naturally aspirated.
joe rogan
No one knows what the fuck you're talking about.
It's an N.A. car.
alex ross
Basically, it doesn't have hair dryers or a blower or any forced induction boost.
All it is is vacuum.
And is this a good car, this GTS? A lot of journalists are raving about it.
I think Chris Harris was about to go drive it after your show, or he was back from it, I'm not sure.
But, Ralph, you drove it, didn't you?
Or they took it up to you and you didn't like the automatic blipper.
He didn't like that at all.
joe rogan
No one can hear you, so unfortunately, unless you want to get on the microphone, let's not talk to Ralph.
alex ross
Sorry, dude.
If you want a manual, modern 991 platform, that's the car to buy right now, at this very time.
I don't want one, but that's if you want one.
joe rogan
And what are they going to do with this GT4? What's the specs?
Is it going to be a fast car?
magnus walker
The Cayman GT4, it's funny.
You talk to people at Porsche and they won't tell you anything about it.
You know, it's essentially a Cayman GTSR on steroids with supposed GT3-esque performance in the mid-engined, already great handling Cayman package.
joe rogan
Well, that's the thing about the Cayman.
For people who aren't aware, 911s are a rear-engine car and there's certain inherent Flaws in having all the weight in the back of the car.
alex ross
And you move it forward to the middle for the Cayman.
joe rogan
The Cayman, which is a mid-engine car, is better balanced, but they have purposely...
Porsche has underpowered that car in order to keep the 911 at the top of the food chain.
magnus walker
Yeah, it's always sort of been handicapped because, as we know, the 911's top dog, been around for 50 years.
Essentially, the Cayman handling capabilities are really, really high.
I mean, you can get in the Cayman, you know, and go fast really, really quick.
Porsche owned me a Cayman last year.
For a week, and my favorite go-to road is Angelese Crest Highway.
And I had two of them, manual and PDK. And I'm pretty comfortable in Angelese Crest Highway.
I drive it all the time in 277. I was amazed at how much quicker it was, or I was, in the Cayman with less effort.
So back to the original question, you know, the reward, you know, the payoff versus the effort put in.
I'm quicker in the Cayman But the drive's not quite as rewarding, because I'm not quite as involved with it.
alex ross
We had the first year at Cayman S. So it's personality, really.
Yeah, but we built the first year at Cayman S as a shop car, and then it got tracked a lot and went up through the canyons.
And I'll say, it's an 06 Cayman S, and we added a bunch more power, lightweight flywheel, better suspension, better brakes, tried to make better seats, tried to make it like a canyon carver.
It was easier to drive fast and it was also like anyone could get in it because it was just really well balanced and drive it fast.
But it was missing, you know, the special engine, the whole connection, you know, the steering wasn't quite the same, the feel wasn't the same.
I mean, it's really nice to have that engine over the back because it's always like tugging at you and you've got to think about it.
Whereas when you're in the Cayman, you can just drive like an idiot.
joe rogan
But isn't that a crazy thing to say?
It's good to have a flaw because you have to think about that flaw and counter that flaw.
alex ross
Because it's more effort.
joe rogan
It's essentially an engineering flaw that they've worked through.
magnus walker
Depends how you look at it, you know, you can rotate a lot quicker.
joe rogan
Yeah.
alex ross
And you can put more power down better too, right?
magnus walker
No, you're not spinning the wheels.
I mean, that's why 902 put power down.
You are in that GT2. Well, yeah, 800 horsepower you're spinning, but car number 277 with a quarter of that, that power's just biting into the ground.
alex ross
And you can come out, you get a much better corner speed exit, you know?
magnus walker
You know, which is why I'm still a believer in a sense of less is more, because you've got to put more in.
I keep going back to rewarding experience.
joe rogan
Well, that was what I was going to get to.
Are you more comfortable?
Do you enjoy the older cars better, or do you enjoy like a 4.1 GT3? When you're getting in the 4.1, you're dealing...
magnus walker
Any 911 beyond my 1979 911 SC yet.
I've owned over 50 911s.
I bought my first one 23 years ago.
joe rogan
But you've driven the other cars.
magnus walker
I've driven them.
I do see in my future a space in the garage for a newer Porsche 911. Probably some form of 996 or 997 GT3. But I also just said earlier on I want to get one of every generation.
I also recently bought a 924. Let's talk about Porsche's unloved cars, 924. I bought a 1980 924 front-engine turbo.
That was Porsche's first production front-engine water-cooled turbo.
So my new goal is to have one of each of the three, let's call them, ugly duckling Porsches.
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924 944 and 928. 928's a weird one, huh?
magnus walker
Yeah, I mean, you know, to me, it's just back to variety.
It's like I've been so focused on early, early Porsches, and I've driven, you know, 40, almost 50 of my colors have been early Porsches.
So I've sort of covered that base, you know, I've covered, I've got one of the first year, 1964, and I've driven the tail end, buck end, let's call it, the iconic 73 RS Carrera.
And they all sort of drive, in a sense, Same but different is how I describe it.
So, you know, now I'm back to variety.
You know, what is more variety than a 924, a 944, and a 928?
joe rogan
Those are disgusting cars.
I have no interest in those cars at all.
magnus walker
My 924 turbo cost me 4,500 bucks.
Unbelievable.
I swear to God, I put a couple of posts out there.
It's silver with charcoal.
It's got the black and white, what Porsche calls pasture or checkerboard interior.
And the funny part to that story is it took about a day before I didn't even know the 924 forum existed.
But a post and a thread developed on the 924 forum.
Someone sent me a link to it.
And the title was, Watch 924 Prices Go Up, Look Who Just Bought One.
And there was this whole, like, rambling thread about, why would I have bought a 924?
I'm a 911 guy.
Lots of bang for the buck and back to variety.
joe rogan
They're also very well balanced.
I have a friend who races them.
He loves 924. It's a good race car.
magnus walker
It's hard to work on.
924, 944 spec series is phenomenally successful, just like the Boxster series.
People email me all the time.
It falls into a few categories.
Obviously, people liking the cars, but my favorite sort of category of emails that I receive is from non-Porsche people that have Maybe seen Urban Outlaw, maybe followed my builds, and all of a sudden are being turned around from being Porsche haters into all of a sudden looking at Porsche a little bit differently.
Predominantly the early cars.
And these are guys that are looking to get into a Porsche for the first time.
joe rogan
I wanted to pull up this video, what we talked about before the show.
Jack Olsen's 911 versus 1972 911. 1972 9-11 vs.
991 GT3. And Jack Olsen is a writer in Hollywood who is a really fascinating character.
I'm going to get him on the podcast too.
We've talked about it.
And he has essentially had this lifelong...
There's a video, Jamie.
I can email it to you if you want me to.
Do you want me to email it to you?
magnus walker
I believe he actually has a part, I met Jack over 12 years ago when he was first developing that car and it's gone through several phases and I remember giving him car number 277, ironically I had AC when I first got it and Jack Olsen was looking for an AC compressor and I actually gave him my compressor that I think is in that car.
But cool guy and has really fine-tuned and developed that car.
Spent a lot of time at Willow Springs.
alex ross
I think what you're getting at here, though, is pretty much every person you mention here with a Porsche is a wacky son of a bitch.
magnus walker
Yeah.
alex ross
You know?
But we're all passionate.
joe rogan
Yes, this is it.
Jack on track.
What's interesting about this is you're dealing with a car...
No, this is not it.
Yeah, okay, this is it.
Yeah, 991. Is he driving both cars?
No, no, they have a professional driver.
And what's interesting is that His car, which is a 1972 car, only has 272 horsepower.
It's very light.
It's around 2,200 pounds.
And the modern car, which is 475 horsepower, PDK transmission, the automatic transmission, the whole deal, all the technological innovation, all the suspension and traction control, and a professional driver.
And Olsen is still quicker.
magnus walker
Who's driving both cars?
joe rogan
I don't know.
Jack's driving his car, which is the 1972 car.
But what's interesting to me is Olsen is obsessed with his one track, with his one car, and tweaking everything, constantly trying to shave seconds off of his car, trying to hit the perfect line every time.
And in doing so, He's able to drive faster around Willow Springs, which is one of the fastest racetracks in America.
magnus walker
Fastest road in the West.
joe rogan
And he's able to drive faster with his 1972 lightweight, low horsepower car than the most modern, most spectacular version of the 991 GT3. That is a lot of power, though, for that car.
alex ross
I mean, they never came with that kind of power.
magnus walker
Well, he's got a 3.6 in there.
joe rogan
Yeah, but it's still only 272 horsepower.
alex ross
I think that's at the wheels, right?
Yeah.
joe rogan
Well, it's a 993 stock engine.
alex ross
But think about it.
What did it come with stock, right?
That was about it.
joe rogan
Oh, you mean the original 72?
If it's a T, it would be 130. If it was T, it would be 160 or 180. Yeah, well, he's definitely added more horsepower, but it's still 1997 technology.
I mean, at the height of whatever he's got.
It's 1997 technology along with some tweaks.
He's got some very custom wheels.
He's got Fuchs centers with, like, I think he uses, like, a Corvette middle.
Like, the wheel is, all his tires and wheels are custom.
alex ross
I've got a question for you, then.
So, of the two guys in the car, right, I don't even care who wins.
I know who wins, but when they come in, who do you think was having more fun?
joe rogan
Jack.
alex ross
Exactly.
You know what?
And you ask the pro driver, I bet you if he drove the other one, even if he was slower, he'd say it was more fun in the other car.
joe rogan
More involved.
Well, also, Jack's having more fun in the corners.
Like, he's keeping up way more speed in the corner.
The other guy is catching him in the straights.
I mean, that's where it is.
It's just raw horsepower and straight line traction.
I mean, he could probably have a similar time in, like, a modern GT500. What time did you do in the end?
magnus walker
120 what?
joe rogan
I don't remember.
I don't remember what the numbers are, but I remember the Jack's was quicker.
Well, we'll see.
That's just kind of...
magnus walker
So here he's coming around, turn nine.
joe rogan
If you watch the video, it's really interesting because Jack narrates it and talks about the differences between the two cars.
magnus walker
Jack certainly knows his way around Willow, for sure.
joe rogan
Well, that's also part of the rub, is that 126, so he, you know, look at that.
alex ross
I got a nice nugget for you, brother.
So you know your car?
The GT3 RS with a 3.9?
So I had a pro driver, Cort Wagner.
Like the video you saw with the two green cars.
So that day, he was in the 124s.
And that was on shitty tires.
So just letting you know.
magnus walker
Yeah, I think a real test there is to have a pro driver drive the same cars.
I know Jack's got thousands of laps at Willow.
We don't know who the other guy is.
I think you put someone, let's say like a Pat Long.
I was driving with Pat Long last week.
A guy like that, you put those guys in the car and see.
That's more of a true test, I think.
Same guy driving both cars on the track.
alex ross
But still, it shows that even your car, which is four years older than the new generation 991 GT3, it's not slower.
joe rogan
Right, right.
But you're still having more fun.
It's different.
magnus walker
I think it's all about the driver, though, because we were up in Angeles Crest the other day.
I'm driving 277, and you were with James in the GT3 3.9.
alex ross
Yes, that's right.
magnus walker
It's all about the driver, I think.
Behind the car is what I'm trying to say.
joe rogan
In a lot of ways, but what Jack's showing here is that these lightweight cars have distinct advantages.
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They're unbeatable.
joe rogan
They have distinct advantages in cornering.
alex ross
In braking, in handling, everything.
joe rogan
My question is, isn't that also what you're getting, like, this tactile response and feel from, is the fact that these cars are so light.
So there's a tremendous benefit in having a lightweight car.
magnus walker
Yeah, the supernatural.
joe rogan
Like the Lotus Elise.
magnus walker
I like this with Colin Chapman's mantra.
joe rogan
Why doesn't Porsche develop a light weight?
alex ross
I think it's all new.
magnus walker
Safety.
It's a different era.
alex ross
They talked about it.
Remember there was supposed to be that collaborative effort with VW a few years ago?
joe rogan
Keep this thing as close to it.
alex ross
Oh yeah, sorry.
A collaborative effort of like a mid-engine.
It was only going to have 200 horsepower and it was going to be about 2,500 pounds.
Okay, it's not as light, but that's light.
joe rogan
Still pretty light.
alex ross
Yeah, and it would have been a fun sort of Elise-esque kind of effort, but no, instead they decided to release another Panamera or another Cayenne.
joe rogan
And when you get to the Cayman, which is a very lightweight car for modern standards, it's about 3,000 pounds for the GTS, right?
Is it about somewhere around there?
alex ross
It'll be around there, yeah.
joe rogan
That's pretty light, right?
alex ross
Yeah.
magnus walker
That is by today's standards.
alex ross
By today's, yeah.
magnus walker
I think things have just got obviously heavier and bulkier and more sort of...
alex ross
More horsepower and bloated.
magnus walker
Yeah, they're not necessarily faster, though.
alex ross
No.
magnus walker
You know, I still think, I keep going back to it, less is more, but I think those times have gone when it comes to new cars.
Porsche's not going to start making a 2,500-pound 911. That's never going to happen.
alex ross
No, never.
joe rogan
Well, why not?
alex ross
Because it's just...
They get sued because someone would die in an accident and doesn't have eight airbags.
joe rogan
Can't you put an airbag in it?
I mean, how much does an airbag weigh?
alex ross
They weigh a lot when you have eight of them.
joe rogan
Oh, I see.
You would have to have modern standards.
There's several.
alex ross
Safety standards wouldn't allow it.
magnus walker
I think the standards have sort of killed everything.
joe rogan
Well, that's what's kind of cool.
alex ross
I've had a 1970 911T with a 3.0 in it and, you know, cams or mismatched cams, but never mind.
And I've had a, you know, 79, 930. So...
You know, I've owned those cars too.
I've sold them at the absolute worst time.
magnus walker
Yeah, you've got great timing when it comes to volume of cars.
alex ross
I see them now and they're worth way too much.
But I've driven them enough too, and older cars, you know, because everyone at Sharkworks, everyone at Sharkworks has had, you know, either a 912, like the absolute base, base, you know, oldest model, you know, or, you know, James has had a phenomenal amount of old, you know, rusty cars.
Um, because they weren't galvanized back then.
magnus walker
He's a quiet guy, James, right?
But really, there's a lot going on there.
alex ross
He's like that scientist that's gonna create something.
magnus walker
Yeah, mad professor.
alex ross
Yeah, and then you're gonna, like, explode when you hit the gas, probably.
joe rogan
To your point being, they enjoy the modern cars more.
alex ross
Yeah, we enjoy it.
We enjoy it, but the reason we had them...
magnus walker
You enjoy the modern cars more?
joe rogan
No, that's not the point.
alex ross
No, not about more.
It's like, I like sharks.
There's a lot of different...
Sorry, man.
I like sharks.
There's a lot of different, you know, species.
You know, I like some bit more than others, maybe, but...
I like sharks.
I like 911s.
And there's still a connection there.
For me, driving my 1970 911T or my Speedster replica 356, it was nice.
And there's still something there that connects all the way up to the GT3. And I do get that the modern cars are losing it.
And the fact that you can have one of the best-known collector of air-cooled cars, and he pushes the button, You know, to his garage, and he's got, you know, two water-cooled cars in there.
I mean, that says something, right?
I mean, that's...
unidentified
What water-cooled cars do you have in your garage?
joe rogan
GT2? No, those are your cars, though.
unidentified
No, but they're in there.
joe rogan
But you're letting him borrow them.
He's not buying them.
magnus walker
There's a running joke about that.
I've got a leaky roof and water's leaking into the garage.
It's a joke.
joe rogan
But you're trying to infect him.
magnus walker
I have.
alex ross
Not with coal mining.
magnus walker
Before I met Alex, I was already, you know, working towards water-cooled, but my heart and soul is air-cooled.
You know, I'm going to own one or two water-cooled cars just for variety.
joe rogan
Do you like the sound of the air-cooled cars better?
There's a weird sort of a raspy quality to those cars.
magnus walker
You know, air getting sucked in through the carbs or the MFI. It's just a different visceral, sensorial feel that the new cars, they don't deliver the same way.
joe rogan
Is there an issue with those cars in traffic?
alex ross
I drove 277 in traffic.
magnus walker
No, it's pretty easy to drive around.
alex ross
It depends on the setup.
joe rogan
Is there an issue, like if you were driving to the airport and you got stuck on a 405 in summer, would it be an issue?
magnus walker
277 is unbelievable.
joe rogan
Even on the racetrack, it never gets above 210. But when you're on traffic, like stuck, bumper to bumper, it doesn't overheat?
magnus walker
The turbos run hot.
The early turbos run hot, but my early air-cooled cars never get above 210, 220. Let's say I'm in my turbo, my 76 turbo, and I'm driving to my buddy Marty's, who's at Roscoe and Reseda, I'm on the 101, it's 100 degrees.
That gauge is crawling 240 just because you're sat in traffic.
So the early turbos run hot.
The early sort of two-liter, two-fours that I'm running, no issues.
joe rogan
Now, do you take that car places?
Like if you go to the movies, will you take it somewhere and just park it?
Just shut it off?
magnus walker
Yeah, no problem.
joe rogan
It's a very valuable car though, to just leave parked.
magnus walker
I never think of it that way.
You know, to me, some of the parts of 277, there's nothing...
If I give you the bill sheet on what that car is, there's nothing really special about it.
But I think the uniqueness of the car is it's developed its own personality.
You know, it's not like it ever raced at Daytona, but, you know, I used to do 40, 50 track days a year in that car with the Porsche Renault Club between 2002 and 2007. But there's no real significant race history to the car.
But I think the connection people have to the car really is a real simple theme and message.
It's like, just follow your dreams.
You know, that was my dream car.
It still is my dream car.
But it evolved.
It wasn't like this.
It wasn't like I went out and wrote a check and just got a new car delivered.
That car was...
You know, I bought it at the Pomona Swapmeet.
It wasn't flared.
I... Talk about customizing Porsches.
Straight away changed the motor in that car and, you know, just made it look more like a 73 RS Carrera.
And that's the great thing about these early Porsches is they're really easy to customize.
You know, we've touched on it a little bit.
A lot of things are interchangeable.
You can take a two-liter motor out and put a three-six in if you want.
That's what Jack Olson did.
Took out his two-four and put in a three-six.
So that's the great thing about these 911s, and they get driven, they develop personality.
277's got personalities.
Jack's 72 black beauty car thing is what he calls it, is also pretty unique and got personality.
You know, the two cars are similar yet different.
That's ultimately the great thing about early Porsches, is they develop character and soul over time, just like Patina.
You know, some people like shiny cars.
I always say, dirt, don't slow you down.
I'm not worried about rock chips and scratches, because to me, Those are memorable moments that are earned over time, and they're earned by getting out there and driving the car.
alex ross
You never meet a guy at a Porsche event, or sorry, at a Cars and Coffee event, and he proudly proclaims, you know, I've got 305 miles on my 2007 GT3. Quite the opposite.
Ralph has like 68,000 on his 3.9 GT3. They're built to be driven.
70 more now.
Yeah, they're built to be driven.
And that's how you get connected with the car.
You don't get connected by it by leaving it in the garage.
Sure, there's some nice sort of curves on it and it looks cool.
But every time you drive it, stuff happens, you know, if you're driving that particular car.
magnus walker
I think ultimately it's not necessarily about, again, for me to be the quickest.
You know, it's more about enjoying that journey.
And just sort of being at one with the car.
Yeah, and these things, that's the great thing about all car guys.
It's really the great thing about Porsche guys is it is this language.
I've had people visit me from all over the world.
It doesn't matter whether you speak English, German, or Japanese, you speak Porsche, and that's that connection.
And truth be told, yeah, I'm an early air-cooled guy, but I also like these, you know, high horsepower, water-cooled things.
And to me, it's not a case of which is better.
They've both got Soul, but they're both slightly different.
alex ross
But they've both got personality, and to me, I think that sort of sums up everything that's great about the Porsche 911. Well, and James, you know, who was up, he's the guy that built your engine, and the other half, well, the other third of Sharkworx, he got to drive the 277, you know, when they went off in the GT2, and I was sitting with him, and he's a man of few words.
And, you know, I just slowly, like, a few corners in, you know, he starts out slowly, because it's the 277, and we're like, oh, we're in it.
It's amazing how many people want to get in that car.
His face is going like this, and I just turn around and go, you're having a good time, aren't you?
And he's like, yeah.
And he drives every day $200,000 or whatever, $150,000, $200,000, whatever they're worth, and builds GT3 RSs, and he gets back in your car, and it's set up nice, it sounds good, it drives properly.
And he's just having fun in the canyons.
joe rogan
Isn't there something about those old cars too?
This knowledge that you're in, something from another era, and it's almost like a bit of a time machine.
magnus walker
It's like stepping back in time.
joe rogan
Yeah, like listening to an old song.
You know, you listen to like a Led Zeppelin song from 1971, and it's like there's something about it.
Makes you think, like, man, this was going on.
Like, this guy was singing this in a different era.
The world was different.
And there's a finite number of those cars as well.
They will never, no one's ever gonna build another 1971 911. It's just, it is...
magnus walker
One of my favorite cars is my Irish Green 66 911. And it's pretty much almost in stock form that it would have been in 1966. The brakes as well?
Yeah.
I've changed, you know, obviously pads are new, but, you know, the point to my story is the car's 49 years old and it's the best way that you just described it that I could step back in time to 1966, even though I was born in 1967. It's like you get in that car and it just...
It's the smell of these early air-cooled, oil-cooled 911s.
You know...
I'll go through the process.
You look at it, sight.
You walk up to it, put the key in it, turn it.
You sort of feel it and hear it.
Then you sit in it, put the key in the ignition, turn the key, you hear it fire up, and then you smell it.
And it's a time capsule right there.
Right there, that's something modern cars will never give you.
You know, we've sort of talked for a couple of hours about the difference, but ultimately if I can home it into, you know, Five sensors of sight, sound, smell, and feel.
That is the time capsule that I think you just sort of brought us full circle into what is great about these early air-cooled 911s.
And truth be told, it's probably the same thing all the VW guys experience.
Because it is like this living, breathing, time warp, time travel entity that ultimately doesn't matter really how fast you're going.
You're just in this zone that is...
Yeah, it's antiquated, but it's also pretty exciting and pretty special.
alex ross
I found it really great, you know, picking up my car that was, you know, from 71, and it's like I'm on the road, you know, in rush hour traffic, you know, with things whizzing by me and a bright yellow, you know, it was like an RS clone.
And I'm sitting there, I've got no AC, no nothing, no cupholders, nothing.
And I'm just, you know, stinking up the place.
But I loved it, man.
It was just great, you know?
And then I got home, I would take a canyon road near me.
I mean...
magnus walker
My wife always says, Karen, you know, when I get home and I've been in a 9-11, she can tell I've been in a 9-11.
alex ross
Yeah, because it's a stinker.
magnus walker
It's a smell.
You sort of come in, smell him with it.
You know, you've got that sort of sweat and oil and fuel smell.
I mean, you either love it or you don't, really.
You know, it's an acquired taste for sure, but...
alex ross
It's like a Chanel No.5 for us, right?
joe rogan
Every time you drive one of those old carburetor-driven cars, even an old muscle car, you smell the fucking gas.
alex ross
Yeah, well, always the leaky carburetors.
I mean, James helped me rebuild the carbs on mine, and it's like I spent like three days on it, you know, rebuilding the carbs on that engine.
I put him in.
Boy, he helped me.
And it's like, son of a bitch, I can still smell leaks.
He's like, well, that's just how it is.
And then in the three days that I'd taken them out and rebuilt them, the weather had changed like 15 degrees.
And the car ran like shit.
I just couldn't handle it.
Back to the drawing board.
magnus walker
You know, he's that joke about if you're not early 9-11 is not leaking oil, there's no oil in it.
These things are sort of living, breathing, you know, pieces of machinery that have got soul.
joe rogan
Well, that's with your 1965. But with the new with these ones that you've built yourself, has there been new technology that allows those things to be a little bit more reliable, have less issues?
magnus walker
Most of the cars that I've built, like the SDR or, you know, being involved in the process of these cars, I'm still sort of keeping them period correct.
You know, I'm not putting newer motors in those old cars.
You know, you touched on a little bit what Singer's doing.
You know, the difference is they're taking a 964 and sort of backdating it to resemble an old car with modern technology.
For the most part, other than updating, for what I do, torsion bars and stiffer suspension, which, yes, newer components, but yet it's still running, for the most part, the original motor that's been rebuilt, maybe at a higher spec, but it's still, if it was carbureted, then it's probably still carbureted now.
joe rogan
What about gasket technology or any of those things?
I mean, have there been improvements?
magnus walker
Yeah, for sure.
But, you know, it's still, you know, It's like right now I'm building a 67S. It's a car that I've got the louvered fenders, which is my follow-up build to the SDR. I sourced a 67S case and bought some new Mali pistons and cylinders.
And as crazy as this story sounds, I'm shipping all the components to my buddy, Matthias, who's got a shop in Hamburg, Germany.
And I'm going to have him assemble the motor in Germany and ship it back.
So it'll have new components in it.
And it's going to be punched out from 2.0 to 2.5, but it's still a 67S motor going in a 1967S. Well, isn't that something that Porsche's doing now?
joe rogan
They have, like, an entire factory dedicated to rebuilding old cars.
magnus walker
Well, it's a Porsche classic restoration facility that they've actually had for some time, but what's happened recently over the past three to five years is...
You know, these cars have just escalated in value to the point where now a lot of these cars that, let's say, would have been trashed five years ago because it wasn't worth spending 50 grand to restore a car that might be worth 30, now that 50 grand car or 100 grand car could be worth triple that.
joe rogan
What's the name of the Porsche restoration facility in Germany?
magnus walker
It's just called the Porsche Classic Restoration Facility.
joe rogan
Porsche Classic Restoration Facility.
Yeah, Porsche Classic Restoration Facility.
It's amazing, though.
magnus walker
I visited it.
You know, over the past two years, I've done various events with Porsche.
I went to the Techno Classica show in Essen with them.
I went to the old-timer GP at the Nürburgring and Goodwood Revival.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's it.
magnus walker
So the great thing about Porsche is they've got 50,000 parts in their showcase of Porsche Classic.
So it's not just 356s, it's all the way up to the 993 factory replacement parts.
joe rogan
It's also a great thing about Porsche in that they make new parts for their old cars.
They continue to make parts for every single model.
magnus walker
That's why there's so many of them on the road.
They say there's 80% of them still on the road.
joe rogan
That's incredible.
alex ross
How many other 50-year-old cars or 40-year-old cars are on the road?
joe rogan
Well, there's companies like Year One that make parts for old classic muscle cars and things along those lines, but there's very few...
magnus walker
I mean, truth be told, Jag's got its own thing.
Jaguar's got their heritage facility where they're actually rebuilding 12 of those continuation lightweight E-types.
I know Mercedes has been doing it for quite some time.
joe rogan
Those old cars, man.
magnus walker
Yeah, those are the 959s.
joe rogan
Do you know the story of the 959 in America, how you can drive one?
Do you know why you can drive one in America?
Because Bill Gates bought two of them and crashed one of them to do the testing on it, which is hilarious.
magnus walker
Yeah, if you want to get one of those, you've probably got to call Bruce Caneper.
joe rogan
I mean, how much are those worth?
I mean, it's got to be worth close to a million bucks.
magnus walker
959s are now a million-dollar car.
alex ross
A couple of years ago, they were like...
They were 500, right?
joe rogan
Well, I remember when they were 253. Meanwhile, if you drove that and then drove your car back-to-back, you'd be like, fuck this old...
magnus walker
Like I said, I drove Helmet Box Prototype 959 that Brumos owned.
And really, you know, it was no different to any other 911. It wasn't this brutally just crazy car that they built, the GT2, which is just nap-snappingly, brutally fast.
The 959 is not like that.
I mean, you've got to remember how old that car is now.
joe rogan
It was in the 80s, right?
alex ross
Yeah, 86. It was actually designed...
You know, I'd kind of compare it a bit to a Bugatti Veyron.
magnus walker
We're almost coming up on the 30-year anniversary on that.
joe rogan
Let's not talk over each other too much.
It's confusing for people.
magnus walker
Can I take a bathroom break?
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah, please do.
alex ross
But what it did was it basically was designed to get to 200. It was like the first, you know, supercar to kind of do that, right?
So like the Veyron.
So it wasn't brutally fast, but it was able to, you know, to go 200 back in 1986, which was a big deal.
joe rogan
It was one of their first four-wheel drive cars too, right?
alex ross
Yeah, yeah.
Well, yeah.
It had a lot.
Yeah, all-wheel drive.
joe rogan
They like to say all-wheel because four-wheel is like, yee-haw!
People think of, you know, fucking Hayseeds.
alex ross
There's a cool picture, or I don't know if you ever...
Do you know about the Paris-Dakar rally, for example?
joe rogan
I've heard of it, yeah.
alex ross
So you should check it out.
People die every year in it.
They go across Africa.
And they actually took 959s.
You know, it had like, you know, Rothman's stuff on it, you know, it's a cigarette company.
They raised them, put knobby tires, so the 959 Paris Dakar, as you check it out.
So it's a 959 and they rally raced it across Africa and, you know, it did really well.
So that's another iconic 959. That is so ridiculous.
joe rogan
They take a 959, which is worth a million dollars, and they essentially turn it into a truck.
alex ross
Yeah, but they raced it.
That's Porsche.
joe rogan
Rally racing is very strange because the cars look so odd, jacked up with the...
alex ross
They have to have a lot of suspension travel.
They have to.
And they have crazy tires.
joe rogan
It just seems wrong, though.
It seems wrong to take those cars and to put them with such a wacky suspension and drive them over dirt.
When you watch rally drivers, when you watch some of the footage from the seat, oh my god.
alex ross
The guy I'm worried about is a navigator, though.
magnus walker
Those guys have got big balls to navigate.
alex ross
And they always get blamed, too, when they crash.
It's like it's your fault.
magnus walker
Google Pike's big Ari Varnan or Walter Roll and just see those guys.
joe rogan
I'm not a big fan of the idea of a navigator.
I think you should be forced to fucking drive.
alex ross
Well, they didn't have GPS, then.
joe rogan
So what?
You know, I feel like you should be able to figure out every turn, and if you go off the side of the cliff, that's part of the fun.
alex ross
So, you know, we were talking about this program called Grandstand, which, you know, on a Saturday afternoon in England on one of the three available channels, and they had this...
Have you watched any Isle of Man racing before?
Those crazy fucking bike guys.
We had a series with these sidecars where these guys would, like, trapeze off the side of the bike, right?
That's all they did.
But they would be the first ones to, like, go flying when the thing crashed.
I mean, it was just into a wall.
magnus walker
Pretty gnarly.
alex ross
Yeah, it's gnarly shit, man.
magnus walker
I think the Isle of Man TT is the true test of big balls and a real hero when you see what those guys are doing out there.
alex ross
Those guys are nuts, man.
joe rogan
Yeah, fuck the soldiers.
alex ross
-Unbelievable.
joe rogan
-Yeah, fuck the motorcycles.
magnus walker
-Yeah, I know.
alex ross
-Yeah, I know.
magnus walker
-Tils away from a...
alex ross
-Yeah, they're real heroes.
They're fighting for our country or something.
joe rogan
Freedom to go fast on a motorcycle.
Yeah, those guys are animals.
There's something really crazy about someone who wants to race for a living.
alex ross
They're like McConkie guys, you know, that Sean McConkie guy, for example.
They're just nuts.
joe rogan
What was the movie, the recent Formula One movie with Thor?
What the fuck's his name?
alex ross
Oh, Drive?
magnus walker
Rush.
Rush, sorry, Drive.
Well, that was my era growing up in the 70s.
You know, England in 76, 77, James Hunt won the F1 and Barry Sheen won the World Superbike title.
joe rogan
That movie didn't get nearly enough respect.
That was a good movie.
It was Ron Howard's movie on racing.
alex ross
Yeah, it was pretty good.
I mean, my mom remembers it differently because she fancied James Hunt.
magnus walker
A lot of people did.
You know, you see those guys, that was the sex, drugs, rock and roll era of, you know, partying, the lifestyle, the glamorous lifestyle.
Now it's a whole different thing.
I mean, the guys are faster, the cars are quicker, but it's a whole different corporate mentality.
Look at F1 footage in the 70s and people are practically bare feet smoking in the pits.
Look how it is today.
unidentified
Yeah, drinking.
joe rogan
It looks like Thor.
Thor really does look like that guy.
magnus walker
Tell me about your Hesketh sticker on the GT2. Oh, yeah.
alex ross
So, you know, remember last time when we came here with the 4.1, you know, we showed up at Leno's place and Dan was wearing a Hesketh t-shirt, you know, and then we showed up right to his place.
That's how we met.
We went, you know, off to traffic.
And he's like, Hesketh.
And he's like, you guys are all right.
These guys are blue books.
Hesketh, in the movie that you're watching, Lord Hesketh, he was the financier for James Hunt.
joe rogan
You've got to get your car to Seinfeld.
You've got to have that nut drive your car, because he's got one of the best Porsche collections in the world.
I mean, he's a real Porsche aficionado.
Have you seen that show, Cars?
Comedians and Cars Getting Coffee?
alex ross
Yeah, it's pretty badass.
joe rogan
He has a legit 1972 RS that's worth over a million dollars.
He drives it on the street.
alex ross
Yeah, I know.
Which is fucking bananas.
Wasn't there some video backed into it, right?
joe rogan
Someone did, really?
magnus walker
Yeah, in New York.
alex ross
In New York.
Yeah, they backed into it.
It's like, oh.
joe rogan
And they probably had no idea it was worth a million bucks.
alex ross
No, there's like some old stinky Porsche.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's what it looks like.
alex ross
With a bunch of ugly decals on it.
magnus walker
Dripping oil, probably.
joe rogan
So someone backed up into it hard?
Is it fucked up?
alex ross
Was it on the show?
Yeah.
magnus walker
This video of it out there, I guess you could Google Seinfeld's RS getting rear-ended in New York.
joe rogan
This video of it getting hit?
magnus walker
Yeah.
joe rogan
Oh no!
unidentified
I want to see how he reacts.
joe rogan
My car, what are you doing in my car?
It's almost like you didn't even know it was there.
magnus walker
It's like Jerry's set right opposite me in the body of Joe Rogan.
alex ross
It's like that line, you know, when you reverse Tyrone, things come from behind you.
joe rogan
Yeah, I don't know why anybody would want to spend a million dollars on that car.
I don't understand.
magnus walker
He might have bought it when it was a 50 grand car.
alex ross
Oh, I'm telling you he did.
unidentified
There you go.
magnus walker
Look at this, right there.
joe rogan
Hamptons.
magnus walker
Oh, in the Hamptons.
alex ross
Oh, sorry.
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
Unapologetic Hamptons woman.
alex ross
Yeah.
magnus walker
Now, do your Jerry impression right now.
alex ross
Yeah, do it.
unidentified
Do you even know what you just did?
joe rogan
Hey, lady.
alex ross
See how happy he looks there?
He looks really happy.
Is that the before?
That's the before shot.
joe rogan
The accident of Jerry's while he watches.
Come on, is there a video?
alex ross
There was a video.
There you go.
There you go.
unidentified
Interviews.
joe rogan
Come on, let's hear this.
alex ross
This video is going to get a lot of views now.
joe rogan
I want to hear what he says.
alex ross
Uh-oh, he doesn't look happy there, does he?
joe rogan
I wonder if he finally swears.
magnus walker
See, this is the great thing about the internet.
We're talking about it, and there it is.
joe rogan
Is there a video of it?
alex ross
Yeah, yeah, look.
Look up there.
joe rogan
Yeah, but that's a video of Seinfeld.
alex ross
Right there.
joe rogan
No, no, those are photos.
Hey, what are you doing?
alex ross
Why are you backing into my car?
joe rogan
Hunchback twat.
Look at her.
Backing up into his car.
alex ross
How do you know?
You can't see her face.
joe rogan
Close to 456,000.
What year was this?
magnus walker
Yeah, that's not correct.
joe rogan
14?
unidentified
No.
alex ross
That's the other problem with the internet.
Everyone has a freaking opinion.
joe rogan
Scroll down for video.
Where's the video?
alex ross
I saw the video.
That's what I was saying.
I don't know where it is, but maybe he took it down.
joe rogan
Yeah, but it says scroll down for video in the article.
magnus walker
Well, you also can't believe everything you read on the internet.
alex ross
Isn't that funny?
You're going to the Daily Mail, which is a British tabloid.
That's a British tabloid.
Dailymail.co.uk.
joe rogan
Isn't that where you...
Did you guys give us that fucking...
That guy from CNN? What's his name?
That asshole that's not even around anymore.
magnus walker
Chris Morgan?
joe rogan
Is that from the Daily Mail?
alex ross
Is he from there?
Yeah, he's a...
Well, I don't want to say anything.
joe rogan
He's gross.
alex ross
Yeah, he's not a very nice chap.
magnus walker
We also gave you Simon Cowell, yeah.
alex ross
And that's the other problem with the U.S. It's sort of like the British rejects get thrown here.
magnus walker
Ricky Gervais, come on.
joe rogan
Yeah, Ricky's great.
A lot of great comics.
alex ross
There's a lot of great stuff.
He was not great.
I felt really embarrassed being British with him.
magnus walker
What, with Ricky Gervais?
alex ross
No, no.
With that Piers guy.
joe rogan
Well, that Piers guy got...
Owned by Chelsea Handler.
You ever see that?
magnus walker
No.
alex ross
Was that the gun stuff?
magnus walker
No, no.
joe rogan
You got owned by Alex Jones and the gun stuff and by Ted Nugent.
alex ross
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
But Chelsea Handler, who's a stand-up comic, just fucking destroyed it.
alex ross
Good.
joe rogan
Because she was like, you're not even paying attention to me.
During the commercial break, you just go over and look at your phone.
He's a fucking moron.
I didn't enjoy him on that show.
I thought he was just...
First of all, I don't enjoy his background.
No, he's a shyster.
Not just a shyster.
They tapped into people's phones.
alex ross
That's not cool.
joe rogan
There were people that were missing and they hacked into these people's phones and listened to their voicemail.
And so the parents got a false sense of like, oh, they might be still alive checking their voicemail.
And it was because these shitheads were tapping into the phone.
He was a part of all that.
And somehow or another, he escaped that.
alex ross
That's what I'm saying.
You know, it was easy for him to get in and impress and get into the U.S. And they didn't really do a proper background check on him.
And then suddenly he became, you know, a celebrity over here.
joe rogan
Well, we got rid of him pretty quick.
alex ross
I'm glad.
magnus walker
Well done.
joe rogan
Well, he was shamed many times before.
I mean, people got to know what a shithead he is.
But also, we're a sucker for an English accent, man.
alex ross
Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
magnus walker
That was my story coming almost 30 years ago.
alex ross
English accent.
magnus walker
Sex, drugs, rock and roll went quite a long way back.
joe rogan
No, see, you don't understand.
We don't know that that's a northern accent.
We have no idea.
magnus walker
You gotta watch Lock, Stock, and Two Smoking Barrels, you know, and that'll sort of tell you all about the great north-south divide.
You've seen that movie.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's great movie.
magnus walker
You know, Guy Ritchie's best movie, really.
joe rogan
Love it.
Love Guy Ritchie.
Huge fan.
alex ross
But the funny thing about Piers Morgan again is that if you watch Top Gear a lot, he's like the butt of every joke.
Anytime there's anything nasty or disgusting, you watch Jeremy Clarkson compare a car's suspension to Piers Morgan banging him in the rear, and he's like, you know?
So he's really not liked.
joe rogan
Well, he shouldn't be.
unidentified
I apologize for being British.
joe rogan
The thing that they did with tapping into people's phones is just awful.
Just disgusting.
And the fact that he snuck in.
But it's like, we are a weird sucker for English accents, which is why those infomercials, when they're trying to sell you something, they're sponsored.
It's always an English guy.
alex ross
It's always the villains in the Hollywood movies or the cleaning product.
Yes.
Gotta be a cleaning product.
Can we do anything else other than messing with Porsches?
magnus walker
Yeah, we brought David Beckham over here.
Come on, English guys talking about Porsches.
joe rogan
That didn't work.
You guys tried.
alex ross
We tried.
He didn't.
No, yeah.
magnus walker
Spice Girls, come on.
alex ross
Yeah, Spice Girls.
joe rogan
That lasts a little while, but we don't give a fuck about soccer.
You can try all day.
We're not going to buy it.
alex ross
We did try.
magnus walker
Or rugby.
joe rogan
Or cricket.
I think rugby would have been a better fit.
alex ross
That's a man's game.
joe rogan
I think rugby is more manly than even American football.
magnus walker
Well, it's very close to American football.
joe rogan
I think if you took American football players and took the helmets away and made them play rugby, that's a more exciting game.
alex ross
Actually, I did get one of my concussions from rugby.
It was a posh man's game, rugby.
It's very thuggish.
It's a very thuggish game.
It's the only game I know of where a big Samoan can step on your teeth in a scrum, and then he'll give you his hand to pick you up.
It's just bizarre.
And they've got studs on the bottom of those shoes.
Well, he feels bad.
Did you play cricket as well?
I really didn't.
I didn't like that.
unidentified
Badminton?
alex ross
No.
Just rugby.
unidentified
Rugger.
alex ross
Rugger?
unidentified
Rugger?
Rugger.
alex ross
Exactly.
You don't wear any pads.
When you're like 12, it's scary when you're a small guy and you're the last line of defense as I was and fast.
At fullback or wing.
And, you know, at 12, the differences between certain, you know, nations, because there'd be schools from Tonga and Samoa and New Zealand, and they're like big, gnarly guys.
And some of them definitely weren't 12. They'd like reset a few years.
joe rogan
Oh, really?
They sandbagged?
alex ross
Yeah.
Oh, yeah, man.
They sandbagged.
magnus walker
And they were just...
alex ross
No, no one's checking ID. No ID back then.
Yeah.
But literally, you know, they would, they would pollax you and pick you up.
So you'd have all these, and then the pro, there weren't, it wasn't a professional game back in the 80s.
And you would have these, they'd have real jobs, like they were lawyers, you know, because they were posh.
You only played it in a posh school.
magnus walker
This doesn't happen in Sheffield.
alex ross
No, it doesn't.
No.
And suddenly, you know, you'd know he's a rugby player because he's missing teeth.
He's a lawyer with missing teeth.
Or like black eyes.
magnus walker
Yeah, cabbage ears.
alex ross
Yeah, cabbage ears.
joe rogan
Cauliflower.
You guys call them cabbage ears?
alex ross
Yeah, we call them cabbage ears.
magnus walker
Cauliflower ears?
joe rogan
Yeah.
alex ross
That's cabbage ears.
magnus walker
Let me see your ears under those headphones.
alex ross
No, he's got good ones.
He wears headgear.
joe rogan
Yeah, I wear headgear when I do jiu-jitsu.
I have a little bit of it.
magnus walker
Tell me about your martial arts background.
I mean, I remember seeing you on these UFC fights.
I go around to my buddies and watch, and I remember seeing you on Fear Factor, and I've heard all about these black belts, but I don't really know your story.
joe rogan
I started martial arts when I was a little kid.
magnus walker
Where'd you grow up?
joe rogan
I grew up in Boston, mostly.
magnus walker
Beantown, right?
Fighting around?
joe rogan
Yeah, Beantown.
Going back there next weekend.
magnus walker
There you go.
joe rogan
It's got to be zero, minus one right now, I think it is there.
magnus walker
I've got a buddy that used to run a store there called Alston Beat in Alston.
joe rogan
Oh, okay, Austin's great.
magnus walker
Yeah, and then I moved it to Newbury Street.
My buddy, Craig, and now he owns all the G-Star stores.
joe rogan
Yeah, Newbury Street's, like, the heart of, like, fashion and Newbury Comics.
unidentified
Right.
magnus walker
We used to sell that store, actually, Newbury Comics.
So, you grow up in Beantown.
joe rogan
Yeah, um...
magnus walker
With Marky Mark, or is this...
joe rogan
I know Marky Mark.
alex ross
Did you know the Funky Bunch?
joe rogan
I didn't know the Funky Bunch, either.
magnus walker
You didn't know the Funky Bunch?
Were you a Southie?
Southie, right?
joe rogan
No, I worked in Southie.
I used to teach...
I used to be one of the trainers at the Boston Athletic Club.
I actually got to...
Do you know who Bobby Orr is?
Famous hockey player?
How dare you?
Neither one of you fucks you.
What's hockey?
alex ross
Oh, we have hockey, but it's not on ice.
magnus walker
What is the boxer that Marky Mark portrayed in that film that was Boston's sort of hero?
joe rogan
Oh, that's Mickey Ward.
Mickey Ward.
Yeah, who's an excellent boxer.
So I worked in South Boston at this place called the Boston Athletic Club.
How old were you then?
I was probably 19. How old were you when you got into martial arts?
Oh, martial arts.
I started fighting when I was 15. That's when I got, like, really into it.
And I was fighting in the men's divisions when I was 16. Kicking ass?
I was doing well.
magnus walker
Were you a street fighter before that?
joe rogan
No, no.
I wasn't really...
You know, I was scared more than I was, like, aggressively.
I get into martial arts because I was worried about people kicking my ass.
I just didn't know how to fight.
I'm tired of being scared of everybody.
So I was a four-time Massachusetts state Taekwondo champion.
I won that four years in a row.
I won the US Open.
I won a bunch of national tournaments.
Then I started kickboxing.
But I started doing that as I was doing stand-up comedy.
And I stopped competing.
magnus walker
How did you get into stand-up?
Were you just a funny kid in the neighborhood?
joe rogan
My friends.
My friends talked me into it.
Guys that I used to train with, actually.
My friend Steve Graham, who I'm still buddies with to this day.
magnus walker
So it wasn't like you failed the new kids on the block audition and figured I'll go to stand-up?
joe rogan
I didn't even think I was funny.
They thought I was funny because they were my friend.
But other people were just going to think I was an asshole because my sense of humor was...
magnus walker
Were they just laughing because you thought you'd kick their ass?
joe rogan
No.
I would do impressions of our friends, like having sex or doing weird shit.
I was good at impressions.
I would do these impressions of people that we knew.
And I would make people laugh in the locker room.
And my friend Steve was like, you should really be a fucking comedian.
I was like, look, you think I'm funny because you know me.
magnus walker
I think there's a joke there we just missed.
He made him laugh in the locker room.
How do we not pick up on that?
joe rogan
Well, we're getting ready to fight.
magnus walker
You know, we're getting ready to fight.
unidentified
And everybody was nervous.
alex ross
That's what you were thinking.
joe rogan
Gallows humor is what it was, essentially.
Everybody was nervous, and I would be the icebreaker because we would have sparring days, like, especially on Saturday.
Saturday was a scary day because we would do what we call team training.
And team training was all the black belts would get together, and they would pad up.
And we would do these really long training sessions, and they were brutal.
And everybody would shit their pants in the locker room.
So I would be making everybody laugh.
I would be like the icebreaker.
alex ross
I don't know what's scarier there, like a fight or a stand-up.
joe rogan
Fighting's way scarier.
alex ross
Well, physically, but I mean...
joe rogan
Yeah, it's way scarier in all of the above.
The losses are way more devastating.
magnus walker
Give me the Joe Rogan story past that point, though.
So we're in Boston, we're still fighting.
joe rogan
I start doing stand-up comedy.
I stopped competing somewhere around 97, which is several years later.
I'm still training, doing various martial arts.
magnus walker
Are you in LA now, or are you still back there?
joe rogan
I got into LA in 94. 96, I started doing jiu-jitsu.
So in 97, I started working for the UFC, and then I got really into jiu-jitsu then.
So from 96 to today, I've been doing two different types of jiu-jitsu, gi and no gi.
Gi meaning what they call kimono, which is like a karate uniform.
It looks like it's thicker.
alex ross
A jumper.
joe rogan
Yeah, you throw people around with that.
You can grab it.
You can choke them within.
You could use it more.
It's almost like a weapon.
And then no gi, which is essentially just clothes.
You don't grab people's clothes.
No clothes.
You're wearing a skin-tight rash guard.
And it's all about wrestling techniques, like underhooks and overhooks and submission holds and stuff like that.
magnus walker
So you're still fighting today?
joe rogan
I still not.
I just train.
I mean, I don't fight.
Fighting, you know, competing is a very different thing, obviously.
I mean, you're competing in the gymnasium.
You're going, you're sparring.
I mean, you're going 100%.
You're trying to choke each other.
But there's a big difference between that and going into competition.
I'm of the opinion that, especially fighting, like MMA, you should not do that unless that's all you're doing.
Part-time is over, right?
It should be 100% of your focus because if it's not, You're going to run into someone and it is 100% of their fault.
magnus walker
They're going to get fucked up.
joe rogan
They're going to fuck you up.
magnus walker
I often say, if you're out for a real spirited drive or you're on the track, if you're not 100% focused, you shouldn't be there.
Don't be texting.
joe rogan
Don't be texting when you're on a race track.
magnus walker
So when did MMA and UFC sort of really explode and take over the thunder of boxing?
unidentified
Was that 10 years ago, 5 years ago?
joe rogan
About 10 years ago it took off because the ultimate fighter that was 2005 when I came along I came along in 97 I was the post-fight interviewer this is like a long before it was big we used to fly into places like Dothan, Alabama and we do these shows these little what is UFC on now fight number you know if you watch it on TV this is you we just said UFC 182 Wow so the next one's 183 I believe which is a lot of events but you've been with them since fight one No,
12. I came along UFC 12. But I only worked for them for two years.
It was a different organization, different people owned it.
Worked for them for two years, and then it was just getting too crazy.
They were banned from cable.
It was really like more of a blood sport image.
Like, people didn't understand what it was.
No, it had rules.
But it was just the public perception of it.
Like, I would tell people that I worked with that I was going to do these.
magnus walker
They thought it was some YouTube backyard brawling type thing.
alex ross
Cockfighting, yeah.
joe rogan
It was like I was doing porn.
That was the attitude.
They're like, why are you doing that?
What are you going to ruin your career?
magnus walker
But today, 183 fights later, different story?
joe rogan
Today's much different.
Much different.
I started working for the UFC again at UFC 37 and a half, which was in 2002. And you've done them all since then?
I've done most of them.
Most of the pay-per-views, but there's so many events now I can't do them all.
Like there's Fox Sports 1 events, which most of...
I'm doing the one next weekend, but most of those I don't do.
And then there's Fox events.
alex ross
Kenny does those, right?
joe rogan
Sometimes Kenny does them.
alex ross
He's going back and forth about Porsches with me on the interweb.
magnus walker
Who are the crazy guys that I'm sort of loosely sort of seeing visually that were involved with, what was the guy's name, Dana or something?
alex ross
Dana White.
joe rogan
Yeah, he's the president of UFC. And they were from, were they Huntington Beach guys?
No, Dana's from Boston.
magnus walker
So you knew him back in the day?
joe rogan
No, I didn't know him until 2002. I met him when I was doing Fear Factor.
Okay.
magnus walker
Now when did Fear Factor start?
joe rogan
2002, I think.
2001, 2002, somewhere around there.
magnus walker
How'd you go from being this Bostonian martial arts comedian guy to Fear Factor?
How does that...
joe rogan
I was on a sitcom before that.
unidentified
What was that?
joe rogan
I was on a sitcom on NBC called News Radio.
magnus walker
Okay.
joe rogan
And that was on for five years in the 90s.
magnus walker
So did you come out to LA to do the acting?
Stand-up thing?
joe rogan
I came out to LA for another show called Hardball that was on Fox that was cancelled.
I got hired to do that.
magnus walker
What show was that?
joe rogan
It was a baseball show, like a sitcom about baseball.
That was cancelled after like six episodes and I was out here.
I'd already leased an apartment for a year, so I was like, ah, fuck, I'm stuck here for a while.
I wanted to go back to New York.
magnus walker
Was this a bit like Swingers, one of my all-time favorite Vince Vaughn movies?
joe rogan
In what way?
magnus walker
You know, just people coming out to L.A. to pursue acting.
alex ross
Did you wear a Mickey Mouse suit?
magnus walker
Did you wear a Mickey Mouse suit?
I'd have killed for that role.
joe rogan
There was a lot of that going on.
magnus walker
You know, that skinny Vince Vaughn.
You look at Vince Vaughn in Swing, and you look at Vince Vaughn in the day.
A lot of booze.
joe rogan
A lot of food.
Living a good life.
alex ross
A lot of miles.
joe rogan
A lot of miles.
magnus walker
So how do you fall into Fear Factor?
joe rogan
I was the same casting director that worked with NBC for News Radio.
He just brought me in.
They were mostly interviewing sports announcers and people.
They wanted it to be serious.
And when I came in for the audition, I was actually mocking it.
I was laughing at it.
And they thought I was terrible for the job because I was mocking it.
And then somehow they realized, like, look, if we don't mock it, someone else is going to mock it.
Better to have our own guy mock it as it's happening.
alex ross
Can I just take a slash?
joe rogan
Yeah, go ahead.
alex ross
Thanks, man.
joe rogan
I just thought it was ridiculous.
I thought you're gonna sick dogs on people.
This is the most ridiculous show idea of all time.
magnus walker
How long did that show run for?
joe rogan
Six years, 148 episodes, and then we came back and did another seven until we did an episode where people had a drink cum.
They had a drink donkey cum.
And that's what got it cancelled.
TMZ found out about it, they put the images of this fucking giant beer stein of donkey cum and the public outrage was...
But NBC was fine with it.
They had greenlit it.
They said that we could have the people drink cum.
magnus walker
Yeah, how bad can it be?
joe rogan
Well, you know what, man?
These people, everyone wants to push the envelope.
magnus walker
Yeah, where do you go next?
joe rogan
They keep pushing and pushing and pushing until finally they don't even realize how far they've crossed the line until other people react to it.
magnus walker
Yeah, reality's blurred.
joe rogan
Well, I was telling them not to do it.
I mean, when I'm telling you that it's a bad idea.
magnus walker
There's something wrong here.
joe rogan
Yeah.
There was two times when we did that show where I told people don't do it.
magnus walker
What was the other one?
joe rogan
Bull riding.
Yeah, they made people ride bulls.
And I said, this is a fucking bad idea, man.
Because you're dealing with an uncontrollable environment.
You're dealing with an animal.
I don't care if you think it's tame.
That's not tame.
It's a bull.
Just because you corralled it and you figured out a way to rope it or put it in a cage, that's not a tame thing.
A tame is a cat.
You go up to a kitty cat and you pet it.
It purrs.
It knows you're a person.
magnus walker
The cat's got claws, yeah.
joe rogan
It rubs up against your leg.
That's a tame animal.
A dog's a tame animal.
Bulls are never fucking tame.
They will always fuck you up.
Bulls never come up to you to get pet.
You know, they'll fucking stick their horn right up your ass and launch you over the top of the arena.
They don't give a shit, you know?
I mean, we've all seen those images of a bull gorging someone.
Yeah, we've seen the one where it goes through the guy's chin and out his mouth.
It's like, that is, in my mind, why you should never fucking bullfight.
magnus walker
Or run with the bulls, are they?
joe rogan
Oh, that's the most ridiculous thing.
The thrill, they say.
The thrill of running with the bulls.
Like, what the fuck are you talking about, man?
magnus walker
Not my thing.
joe rogan
You got animals with testosterone and giant balls and they're angry and they're running down these wet blood and fucking...
Beer-soaked streets, everything's cobblestone and slippery, and you're running to get away from these fucking bulls.
magnus walker
It's so stupid.
alex ross
I've been to that, the running of bulls.
unidentified
You've done that?
alex ross
No, I haven't done it.
I've seen it.
magnus walker
Why did they do it?
I thought that might have been one of the concussions.
alex ross
Actually, no.
magnus walker
You've got a lot of stories of this guy.
alex ross
You've actually had a...
Well, I've got a couple of podcasts lined up.
There's a doctor that's on there.
Dan told me about it because he heard him, but...
He's very into concussions and things.
joe rogan
Dr. Rhonda Patrick.
alex ross
That's him.
Yeah.
joe rogan
No, her.
alex ross
Her, sorry.
unidentified
It's her.
joe rogan
Rhonda him, that's him.
magnus walker
She's been on the show?
alex ross
Well, we talked about transvestites earlier, so.
joe rogan
Well, no, she's a woman.
But I took her to a UFC, and her husband, he's a fan of it, and I don't think she had ever watched it before.
Actually, I don't know.
Does Dan a fan of it?
I don't know if he was a fan, but anyway, I invited them because they live in Northern California.
So they came to the UFC, and it was the first time she had ever seen it.
She literally had no idea what it was all about.
And after it was over, she was like, oh my god.
And then she went deep on the show into the dangers of head trauma and all that's going on.
alex ross
Yeah, I think, was that the one that I was at where Anthony Johnson knocked out, what's his name?
joe rogan
Little Nog.
alex ross
Yeah, that was brutal.
joe rogan
Rogerio Noguera, yeah.
alex ross
Beat the fuck out of him.
magnus walker
Is he left him with a headache the next day?
joe rogan
Oh, probably still.
Probably still to this day.
He probably gets up.
alex ross
If you saw that, it was actually uncomfortable.
I wish they'd stopped it sooner.
joe rogan
Well, it was a one-round knockout.
It was pretty quick.
He tagged him a couple times and put him away.
Johnson's fighting for the number one title contention not next weekend, but the weekend after that in Sweden.
magnus walker
Who's the big top dog guy now?
joe rogan
John Jones is number one.
Just tested positive for cocaine.
magnus walker
Oops.
alex ross
Oopsie daisy.
joe rogan
Oopsie daisy.
Rehab.
People like to party.
alex ross
He's an amazing fighter though.
He's an amazing fighter.
He has a crazy reach.
joe rogan
Pretty arguably the best ever.
At this point in time.
He's only 27. Wow.
alex ross
My favorite though is Nick Diaz.
joe rogan
Nick Diaz fighting in a couple weeks.
That's right.
Fighting January 30th in Vegas.
alex ross
Against Anderson Silva.
joe rogan
Yeah.
alex ross
That's crazy.
joe rogan
Is it 30th or 31st?
magnus walker
I remember that name.
alex ross
Yeah.
Dude, Nick Diaz is...
He's just like...
He's got personality.
Portia guys?
joe rogan
No.
alex ross
No, he's from Stockton.
I don't think so, dude.
No.
No.
But he's awesome to watch fight and he just does it like nobody else.
magnus walker
You're saying people from Stockton can't be Portia guys?
joe rogan
Of course they can.
They just can't park them in front of their house and sleep peacefully.
alex ross
Yeah, everything will be gone.
joe rogan
Out the window.
alex ross
Yeah, he's just a good dude.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's the problem with things like...
I posted an image of your car yesterday, and somebody wrote...
In the comments of Instagram, you know, I hate Porsche guys.
They're all show-offs.
Like, how hilarious is that?
They're all of them?
Yeah, every single one.
But it's like it disqualifies you from ever owning one because you'll be a douche.
Like, you can't just enjoy the engineering.
Even if you was just by yourself, there was no one around.
You didn't even tell anybody you had a Porsche.
You took the car cover off it and just drove it around a deserted road and enjoyed the shit out of it.
You can't do it by some people's views.
alex ross
Well, look at him.
I mean, I thought he was a rocker.
magnus walker
Hey, looks are deceiving, right?
joe rogan
But some people automatically associate cars like Porsches or Ferrari.
We touched base on it a little bit earlier on, especially here in LA. Yeah, it's an image thing.
magnus walker
Yeah, you know, sometimes these Porsches don't leave that beveling zip code.
You know, you go, you ever take it to the track?
No, I don't want to get it chipped up.
alex ross
I did see a guy in a Aston Martin repeat, and he was definitely an agent.
He's definitely an agent.
magnus walker
Hey, it is Hollywood, right?
It's a movie town.
alex ross
I mean, he was looking at his phone and he was on a Bluetooth.
magnus walker
But you do that.
alex ross
Yeah, but not, well...
joe rogan
Maybe you're an agent.
alex ross
In bed and on the toilet.
I do it on the toilet.
joe rogan
Well, there's a lot of agents here, so it's probably...
magnus walker
It is Hollywood.
alex ross
And it was like that time of the day where, you know, it's like, well, you should be at work, but you're not.
It's not lunchtime, so yeah, he's doing the meeting.
unidentified
In a meeting.
joe rogan
Well, there's image cars and, you know, the big ones are, of course, Ferraris, a big image car.
You know, that's like the probably the most obnoxious of all of them in a lot of people's eyes.
That and Lamborghini.
Lamborghini's a big one, yeah.
They're so, they're outrageous and...
alex ross
M3 have one, too, for like, Jeremy Clarkson always says, you know, like, M3 drivers are constantly on Bluetooth and that's the big thing, you know?
joe rogan
Well, that's Jeremy Clarkson.
alex ross
I don't know what the fuck he's talking about.
But he hates Porsches.
magnus walker
Talking of images, though, I tell this story all the time.
I think anyone growing up anywhere in the world in the 70s or 80s, chances are if you were a car guy, you had a choice of one or three posters.
Porsche Turbo, Lamborghini Countach, and probably a Ferrari 512 Boxer or a Testarossa.
joe rogan
I had the BMW M1. No way.
I had that on my wall.
alex ross
The Alpino one?
joe rogan
Yeah.
That was a cool car, man.
magnus walker
How old are you?
47. I'm the same age.
joe rogan
Yeah, I had that on.
magnus walker
I didn't have that one.
alex ross
I had a model of that.
I had a model of it.
It was a BASF. Remember that company?
They used to make tape, basically.
magnus walker
Well, that was a cool car.
The BMW BASF tape car.
alex ross
I remember that.
You should pull that up, dude, since you had that.
Pull up a BASF BMW. Look at that, and you'll be like, that's a cool car.
joe rogan
I remember that was a space-age car back in the day, but I look at it now.
magnus walker
Oh, you see those cars racing there?
alex ross
Yeah, they're historic.
magnus walker
Unbelievable.
I saw one of the old-timer GP at Nürburgring.
Like 25 of them roaring around the F1 truck.
joe rogan
That's the BASF. Yeah.
alex ross
Look at that thing.
I had that.
My mum gave it away to someone when I left home.
magnus walker
How great is that?
alex ross
I was like, thanks a lot, mum.
I can't find that.
Look at that, right?
And you know what?
And BASF is literally, you know, it's tape.
You know, the tape for...
magnus walker
Remember Sony Walkman?
joe rogan
Oh, really?
alex ross
That's what I mean by tape, you know?
joe rogan
I like the fender flares on that thing.
alex ross
Dude, you love fenders, don't you?
joe rogan
Yeah, I'm a big fan of, like, one of the things I love about, like, Jack Olsen's car.
Giant, wide-body fender flares.
I love those.
alex ross
I love that car.
magnus walker
See, to me, that's the evolution of, I spoke earlier on about liking the 2002 TII 3.0 CSL Batmobile.
That, to me, is the evolution of that.
joe rogan
Do you like the 993 Ninemeister, that RSR that they built?
magnus walker
I like those wide-body cars.
People always ask me, do I like RWB? I'm a big RWB fan.
joe rogan
I don't like those.
I get as far as the Ninemeister, the RSR, which is essentially like the GT2 body kit.
alex ross
Dude, GT2 with the bolt-on flares.
joe rogan
Yeah, there's an image for the 993 RSR. That's a fucking beautiful car, man.
Look at the ass end of that thing.
Click on that one that you just had.
alex ross
Or get a white one so you can see the bolted-on flares.
magnus walker
Yeah, white one, gold wheels.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's actually not even it, Jamie.
Click on the other one that you just hovered above.
That right there, yeah.
That's the one that has the bolt-on fender flares.
That's a fucking beautiful ass right there.
That's Jennifer Lopez to me.
Bam!
Look at that ass.
alex ross
But also it's got Ronda Rousey on it, too.
joe rogan
Those wide-ass fucking tires, too, man.
alex ross
Those giant tires.
magnus walker
Pull up my STR and we'll see what Joe thinks to that.
Just punching Magnus Walker or STR or something like that.
joe rogan
Well, I've seen that car.
I love that car.
I love the back end.
I saw that car in person when we visited you.
magnus walker
Click that speed on this thing.
Well, there's Tiff Nadell driving it there, but just go to the top.
joe rogan
Oh, there's a video of Tiff Nadell driving it.
magnus walker
Pull that up.
Look at that car, dude.
So go back to the, remember I spoke earlier on about doing something with Tiff Nadell, that's it right there for his 50. Oh, let's see that, man.
joe rogan
Let me see that.
alex ross
For appropriate audiences.
magnus walker
Oh, here we go.
In the studio.
joe rogan
Your car was not, your car was not overly, um, um, horsepower either.
I mean, it was a fairly, uh, reasonable.
magnus walker
A short stroke 3.2, probably 2.7.
joe rogan
Is Tiff Nadell pulling into your driver with that horrible piece of shit?
magnus walker
Yeah, Tiff and I drive it from downtown all the way up to the Snake, and then he, if you fast forward it.
joe rogan
What was that truck that pulled in?
Was that his truck?
magnus walker
No, that was, you know, Jonathan Ward from Icon does the Derelicts.
joe rogan
Oh, that's his?
magnus walker
That's his.
joe rogan
Oh, wow.
magnus walker
Have you met him, Jonathan Ward?
joe rogan
No, no.
alex ross
Oh, cool, dude.
magnus walker
You've got to get him on the show.
joe rogan
Well, we were talking about those cars that he makes yesterday, that Bronco that he makes.
magnus walker
Oh, yeah, the Icon thing.
joe rogan
And he makes those old cars, and they look like old shitboxes, but they have incredible suspensions.
magnus walker
Well, yeah, that's his Derelicts, where he finds those old beat-up patinaed shells and everything underneath his new mechanical.
joe rogan
Yeah, but he doesn't do anything to the outside of it.
magnus walker
No, well, that's what's cool about it.
So here's Tiff working it.
joe rogan
What is he saying here?
alex ross
He's saying, I'm looking for Ronin.
magnus walker
He's saying, where's that GT2? So this is sort of the inspiration for Alex's Sharpworks GT2 right there a little bit.
joe rogan
And how fast is this car?
I mean, how many horsepower is this car that he's driving here?
unidentified
275. And it probably weighs 2,000 pounds, right?
magnus walker
2250, so all steel, no fiberglass on it.
joe rogan
Ah, well, if you wanted to get it lower, you'd have to go fiberglass, and how much lower could you get it?
magnus walker
Yeah, well, you could go under 2,000, which is magic, but...
joe rogan
Could you really?
magnus walker
Yeah.
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
Why didn't you?
alex ross
You pretty much just have a seat and a wheel.
magnus walker
That was all steel, you know?
joe rogan
You like the steel.
magnus walker
Yeah.
joe rogan
So the only reason why to go all fiberglass would be just for the weight.
magnus walker
Yeah, now you go carbon fiberglass.
alex ross
But that stuff just cracks.
I mean, I've had, you know, fiberglass fenders before on wide body, you know, old 911s, and then it's just not the same.
It cracks.
joe rogan
That looks so exciting.
magnus walker
This is the car that I sold at the Gooding auction at the 50th anniversary at Pebble Beach.
joe rogan
How dare you?
Do you miss it?
magnus walker
Well, here's the great thing about it.
I have visitation rights to it.
It now resides in what I think is the greatest Porsche collection in the country in Durham, North Carolina.
joe rogan
I love those Prototipo steering wheels, those old school Momo steering wheels.
magnus walker
Yeah, that's an old fat Momo right there.
joe rogan
Oh, those are the best.
magnus walker
See, I've actually driven this car three or four times in the past year.
joe rogan
Really?
magnus walker
Yeah, North Carolina.
I drove it down to Fort Bragg and then in Monterey I shot a video with Patrick Long and this up in Monterey.
Wow.
joe rogan
Well, if you wreck it, do you have to build him a new one?
magnus walker
I didn't wreck it.
I mean, come on, who thinks about that?
joe rogan
But if you do?
magnus walker
Sure, I'd take care of it.
Thankfully, I know my limitations on the road, and I never push above and beyond them.
alex ross
Looks like it's got a red bumper.
magnus walker
Yeah, red bumper.
alex ross
That's an inside joke.
magnus walker
See?
Red bumper right there.
unidentified
Red bumper.
joe rogan
Now, what about this car doesn't have any spoiler in the back?
No.
There's nothing.
It's just flat in the back.
Just flat, yeah.
Does that become an issue with speed?
magnus walker
Maybe if you're at Willow Springs going through turn 8 flat out at like a buck 35, 140 maybe, but on the street, no.
joe rogan
Doesn't make any difference at all?
Like a ducktail wouldn't aid it in any way?
magnus walker
I mean, let's say you're on a freeway on a sweeper doing 125, 130 miles an hour, yeah, maybe then.
But it's still fun sort of having that rear end move around a little bit.
alex ross
That's okay.
When you need to do that, you can do it in the water-cooled for the one with the big off.
joe rogan
This guy is relentless in his pursuit to get you to accept the watercooled car.
magnus walker
Well, one interesting little point.
The guy that shot these photos for Speed Hunter, Sean Klingenhofer, we're actually going to be doing a photo shoot with him in about an hour in downtown LA. Oh, really?
Yeah, we're meeting him at 3. So how cool is that?
alex ross
That was the inspiration for our car.
And now he's having the same guy shoot it in the same spot.
joe rogan
Oh, that's amazing.
magnus walker
So that's the 72 911 right there.
joe rogan
And does the louvered deck lid like that, does that have any function?
magnus walker
Yeah, it adds cooling, obviously.
It adds style, but obviously air is coming out of it.
Yeah, so it's four-man function.
alex ross
I mean, have you seen his new, well, it's not even finished.
It was like one of the coolest talked-about cars at SEMA this year.
Have you seen the one with the louvered flares?
It was at the mobile one booth.
magnus walker
Oh, the louvered front fender.
Yeah, two years ago.
joe rogan
Where can I see that?
Is it online?
magnus walker
Yeah, you can see it online.
joe rogan
What could they look up?
What would Jamie look up?
magnus walker
Just punching 67STR. Let me briefly tell you my SEMA story.
unidentified
I'm sure you're familiar with SEMA. Magnus Walker, 67 SDR. Just go images.
joe rogan
Punch in Magnus Walker, 67 SRT. SRT? SRT. SRT, Magnus Walker.
magnus walker
Yeah, just put Magnus Walker.
alex ross
Oh, dude, top down right there.
magnus walker
Click that one on the left.
So, let me tell you my Mobile One story real briefly, or my SEMA story.
Two years ago, I snuck into SEMA on someone else's pass.
And if you go back to that, this year I got invited by Mobile One to display two cars in their booth which had three cars.
The other one was a pro-touring sort of 67 Camaro.
That's just how crazy my life had become in the past two years, from sneaking into the SEMA show in Vegas, which is the biggest sort of aftermarket specialty equipment show, to being invited by Mobile One.
joe rogan
All from one documentary.
magnus walker
Yeah, I never thought that.
None of this has been scripted.
There's no PR person behind.
It's me and an iPhone saying, yes, 95% of the time.
joe rogan
Well, that's what I enjoyed about meeting you at your shop.
The way we met is my friend Todd, Todd Messero, who is the producer of my show on Syfy.
Todd is a Porsche guy.
He owns a 993, loves Porsches.
And we were talking about you.
I showed him the video.
We had gone back and forth.
And he goes, you know, we're going to be in downtown next week.
Like, let's contact Magnus.
Let's go see if we could see his shop.
So he called you.
You answered.
magnus walker
I answered all the time.
joe rogan
And then you guys had a conversation.
And after we shot, we just drove down and hung out with Magnus for a couple hours.
alex ross
I emailed him right before the Jay Leno show and right after.
And I said, is it still OK to come, right?
And he's like, yeah, yeah.
It was like Friday at 9 p.m.
I arrived there.
The gate opens.
magnus walker
And my wife was real happy.
alex ross
His wife was real happy.
And then he's like, oh, cool, man.
I was just reading about it on the cover, blah, blah, blah.
I'm like, all right, we'll go for a ride.
Yeah, yeah, let me drive it.
So I hear him wailing around.
Well, not wailing, just putting around.
Sorry.
Yeah, putting around in the 4.1 GT3 RS. And Dan, who's in the passenger seat, you know, is telling me later, yeah, he's going like, yeah, just one more lap, just one more lap, just one more lap.
And right before he got in the car, right before he gets in the car, sorry, this is going to throw you under the bus a bit.
He's talking to his wife, Karen, and going, oh, I've just got some stragglers in.
They're the last ones of the day, I swear.
I'm just kicking them out right now.
I'm just kicking them out.
I'm kicking them out.
I swear, I'm coming over.
Right?
And 70 frickin' laps later...
magnus walker
I got to throw out props to my wife, Karen.
I've been with her for over 20 years and that's why I'm the luckiest guy in the world.
First of all, she's beautiful.
She's my Georgia peach and she just allows me to be this crazy fool sort of, you know, Enjoying my life, but without her, I don't think we'd be here today.
joe rogan
You're not henpecked, is what you're trying to say.
magnus walker
I'm just saying I love my wife and she's super supportive, is what I'm saying.
alex ross
My wife for my birthday, before I even had a shop, This is what she got me, was a set of the first Brembo GTR brakes that I could put on my really fast turbo.
And she helped me install nitrous lines when I was, you know, drag racing it.
That's fucking badass.
And she makes video games.
joe rogan
Is there another way to take those naturally aspirated engines and get them anywhere near as powerful as that 800 horsepower that you have in that GT2? Is there a way?
I mean, have we reached the limitations?
I mean, the limitations essentially on the air-cooled cars, it gets up to like 450 and it's like, didn't Neimeister get, they got a 993 engine up to like 450 horsepower?
alex ross
I mean, it's really pushing a round thing through a square peg, you know, or whatever the frickin' thing is.
magnus walker
I don't think you need 800 horsepower with an early...
alex ross
All the electronics.
joe rogan
Yeah, but I'm not asking whether or not you need it.
I'm saying, is it possible?
I mean, have you...
unidentified
I don't think you can get 800. Out of a naturally aspect.
joe rogan
I'm not talking about an early car.
I'm talking about, like, your car, the 4.1, you got up to 560?
alex ross
Yeah.
joe rogan
What is the limitation?
alex ross
Is that it?
That's an interesting question.
You can make more, but what's the delivery of more?
We could bore and stroke it out to four point whatever we want.
Four point what?
joe rogan
How much?
alex ross
Three, four, you know, it's been looked at and the math's been done.
The problem is, and we've tried certain things, what happens is the pistons get larger, you know, they get heavier.
Then it stops feeling like a GT3 and feels like a, you know, sloppy V8 or shitty V8, you know what I mean?
joe rogan
Oh, because there's more weight in the back.
alex ross
How much more weight would it be?
Think about heavier pistons and balance.
You can add more displacement, but how are you going to do that?
There's cost involved in terms of more weight.
More weight is the enemy in a GT3. Just go get a muscle car.
Yeah, exactly.
You want to be revving.
Part of the thing with that 4.1 is that I thought it was still a GT3. You get in it and it's still related.
It's related to your 3.9.
joe rogan
Oh yeah, for sure.
alex ross
It's not like the GT2. So you could technically make a big, you know...
I mean, the GT2 doesn't rev the same way, you know?
It feels heavy.
It's got heavier, stronger components in it.
magnus walker
I think Joe needs to drive 277. I think he does.
joe rogan
I do.
I'm pissed it's raining.
magnus walker
I think you need to drive that.
alex ross
You do.
magnus walker
And then you probably need an early car in your stable, I think.
And that way you can sort of see how the less is more lightweight, smaller displacement, work a little bit harder approach to getting the thrill out of driving gears.
And then you'll probably have the best of both worlds.
joe rogan
Mentor me, Magnus Walker.
Help me.
magnus walker
We'll just go for a drive.
That's all we're going to do.
alex ross
We talked a lot about that.
joe rogan
We talked a lot about that.
Alex and I actually talked about him building me a 964. We talked about that.
magnus walker
Oh, that's a thing I want to build, a lightweight 964 RS-inspired car.
alex ross
Oh, you come to the right conversation.
joe rogan
How light can you get one of those?
alex ross
They start out pretty heavy.
They're actually heavier than a 993. Really?
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
joe rogan
Why is that?
alex ross
Eh, just...
The time period, you know, they got heavier and heavier.
So a lot of people, they were sort of hated on a bit.
Now they're really popular because they looked kind of awkward.
joe rogan
They're in a weird middle stage.
magnus walker
It's like the end of the road for the early styling, moving into the 993. Porsche guys are fickle, aren't we?
964 was the unloved 911. I mean, you could find them all day long under 20 grand, but not anymore.
Those days, the tables have turned.
alex ross
You know, technology was different than a lack of it, I should say.
And yeah, it was just heavier.
joe rogan
Well, Pistonheads featured this really, really nice one recently.
A white one that was like really radical.
alex ross
Look at you, Pistonheads.
I'm impressed, dude.
I'm impressed.
You're bringing out the English flag.
unidentified
I got a computer.
magnus walker
Look at that.
He's an Anglophile.
alex ross
Yeah, he is.
magnus walker
Is that what we call him?
joe rogan
Well, that one that they did do, though, that one 964, was very nice.
alex ross
Sexy.
joe rogan
Really lightweight.
I think the license plate said Growler or something like that.
alex ross
The thing that sucks, though, and this is the bad stuff.
magnus walker
That's my buddy's car, Alex Bermuda's car, the white one.
joe rogan
Have you driven that car?
magnus walker
Yes, I have.
joe rogan
What's it like?
magnus walker
A great car.
A story with Alex, punching Alex Bermuda's, because I got him into the Porsche owner club, and now he's become a really...
joe rogan
Pissed his head 964 Growler.
Pull up Growler.
magnus walker
Yeah, I'll just punch in Alex Bermudez.
That's it.
alex ross
There you go.
magnus walker
There it is.
joe rogan
Oh, the back one.
magnus walker
Yeah, he's a local guy.
joe rogan
That's it, yeah.
alex ross
Yeah.
Oh, is that your wall?
magnus walker
No.
alex ross
I thought it was.
magnus walker
Alex is a cool guy.
I was his first driving instructor with a Porsche on a club.
And he runs a spec Boxster.
And my buddy Tyson Schmidt, that used to work at TRE, built that car.
And then Alex bought it from him and did his own customization.
joe rogan
What's that like to drive?
Is it like one of your lightweight cars?
magnus walker
It feels like 277 pumped up.
Sort of these stepping stones.
To me, that's in between 277 and the GT3 3.9.
joe rogan
But is it as tactile as your 277?
magnus walker
Yeah, it is.
joe rogan
The whole deal?
alex ross
The thing that really sucks, though, is that a lot of those cool cars never really made it here.
Like the RS, they had like an RS America, but it's not the same.
You know, we had the one with the big fuck-off wing on the back, you know, plexiglass windows, you know.
magnus walker
Sort of, it's a shame in a sense that the state never gets a lot of these great cars.
You know, like the 73Rs never really officially came in here.
joe rogan
Is that because of safety regulations?
alex ross
And they don't want to crash them, I guess, or whatever.
Not everyone's Bill Gates, or he doesn't want one, maybe.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Yeah.
Well, this is a really interesting conversation, and a lot of people, um, Probably are ignorant to the joys of these lightweight, exciting cars like what you have, and certainly to what you're building, these extreme versions of the race-bred 911s.
They're fascinating cars, and it's a group of people that enjoy them, that it generates such incredible loyalty and passion.
You know, it's really unlike most cars, in that sense.
alex ross
Yeah, well, I mean, you hadn't even...
I'd not even met you, and the first phone call we pretty much had, like, I was like, man, he gets it.
You rattled off all this stuff about GT3s, you know?
unidentified
Yeah.
alex ross
Because you had the 2010, and I'd had it, so I'd had that connection.
And yeah, you'd watch the video, and I pretty much, you know, we just kind of riffed for, like, an hour or so after work.
magnus walker
You literally shipped him a brand new car?
That was the story.
alex ross
You never even took delivery.
I just saw my wife's video.
unidentified
That's it.
magnus walker
I gotta go back and see this video.
joe rogan
Well, that video of the green Kermit.
You've never seen that video?
magnus walker
No, but I'm gonna go do my homework.
joe rogan
Throw that bitch out.
3.9 GT3 Kermit.
alex ross
Bear in mind, it was done on her Avid station back before we had high def cameras.
magnus walker
Hey, they might have got Joe interested.
joe rogan
Doesn't matter, man.
Throw up the video.
alex ross
Look at that sick bitch.
joe rogan
Yeah, Porsche versus Ferrari.
That's a good one.
We'll see it.
It smokes this, not even a stock 458. It's a 458 that's been modified, right?
alex ross
It's a 430. Yeah, this was on Battle.
joe rogan
It was a 430. That's the new one.
alex ross
That's the new one.
Yeah, this was back at Beale Air Force.
They shut down.
How great is America?
They shut down Beale Air Force Base so that we could film a TV show with Tanner Faust and Paul Tracy.
magnus walker
Oh, this was the one you were talking about.
alex ross
Yeah, yeah.
Boy, is that shaky as fuck?
joe rogan
What is she holding that with an iPhone?
alex ross
No, no, she's not.
No, no, no, no, no.
She's doing the editing.
I'm doing the...
Who's driving?
magnus walker
Tanner and...
alex ross
Tanner's driving the green car and Paul Tracy's driving that one.
joe rogan
Look at the fucking wheel spin off that baby.
alex ross
That's your car, baby.
Just a green version of it.
magnus walker
Well, talking of Tanner, I just saw you post on Instagram that he's liking the GT2. Yeah, he likes it, yeah.
joe rogan
Did he drive that thing?
alex ross
Not yet.
magnus walker
Not yet.
He's got an invitation.
joe rogan
That's the guy you want driving that fucking thing.
alex ross
That guy's a madman.
And Chris Harris.
joe rogan
Did you ever see...
Yeah, and Chris Harris.
But Tanner Fowles is a real race car driver.
alex ross
No, I've taken laps with him, dude.
He's also...
magnus walker
Rockstar.
alex ross
Yeah, a lot of people don't sort of give him credit because he's a drift boy or whatever, but he beat Michael Schumacher in the Race of Champions.
And I've driven with him on the track in my cars that I've built, and I didn't even know they could go that fast.
I didn't know that he wasn't going to use any brakes.
I mean, he's an animal, dude.
joe rogan
Doesn't he use brakes?
alex ross
Just lightly, just to set the car up.
That's it.
magnus walker
Get some front-end balance.
alex ross
Yeah, exactly.
I was just like, you're coming in really fast.
There's a wall right there.
And he says, yeah, that's really close, you know, as he's turning.
And he just lightly taps it, and we're flying around the...
Well, he compresses the suspension so much at the hairpin of Sears Point.
This was for Speed Channel.
That the front lip that I had on there, literally, it touched it and it exploded.
It shattered.
We thought, like, we blew a tire.
And the guy that owns the track says, oh, I've seen that a couple of times on, you know, the cup cars.
magnus walker
Just compression.
alex ross
You know?
And he's doing that on our street car.
Yeah, just compression.
joe rogan
How could that be avoided?
Can you not avoid that?
alex ross
Raise it.
magnus walker
Don't go quite as fast.
alex ross
You not have Tanner Faust drive?
unidentified
I don't know.
joe rogan
Have you ever seen the video on Top Gear, the US version, where he's taking this Corvette Z06 around this industrial area?
alex ross
Yeah, that was one of the early ones.
That was one of the early ones.
joe rogan
Holy shit, is it wild.
alex ross
He's a stud.
joe rogan
Oh, he's an animal, the way that guy drives.
He knows what the fuck he's doing.
It's so precise and surgical, the way he's taking Corvette.
alex ross
Well, on that TV show, it was called Battle of the Supercars.
It wasn't the world's greatest show, but like I said, they shut down a stealth, you know, that's where they fly all the UAVs that kill all the terrorists.
That's where they operate.
It's Beale Air Force Base.
Like, we weren't even allowed to look in certain directions, and there were lines with people with guns that would shoot you.
magnus walker
They would shoot you if you looked?
alex ross
Don't look.
magnus walker
Don't even look.
unidentified
I don't know, dude.
alex ross
Don't look or don't cross.
Don't step over this line.
magnus walker
That's a flair for the drama, have you noticed?
joe rogan
A little bit.
alex ross
Yeah, no.
Well, no, I got to drive the car with a U-2 spy plane taking off, and I was like the touch-and-go car, basically.
And he's like, don't get any closer or it'll burn your fucking paint off.
joe rogan
Yeah, I would imagine, right?
Those jet engines?
alex ross
Yeah, that's a badass little ride there.
joe rogan
Gentlemen, we're out of time, but this has been a lot of fun.
magnus walker
It's been emotional.
joe rogan
Yes, and people need to watch your documentary.
If they haven't seen it, it's Urban Outlaw.
It's available on Vimeo.
It's beautiful.
It's magnificent.
You're going to want to buy a Porsche.
If you do want to buy a Porsche and you want to get crazy, if you want to get a GT3, send it to this guy.
Fuck it.
You only live once.
If you can afford to, send it to SharkWorks.
magnus walker
How bad can it be, right?
joe rogan
Juice that bitch up and you'll be flying in no time.
Thank you, gentlemen.
Really appreciate it.
A lot of fun.
Magnus Walker's on Instagram.
SharkWorks on Instagram and SharkWorks.
W-E-R-K-S on Twitter and Instagram.
Gentlemen, always a pleasure.
Good times.
Get that fucking shark out of here.
magnus walker
Get out and drive.
joe rogan
Get out and drive.
magnus walker
There we go.
Rock on.
Oh, okay.
That's a wrap.
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