David Seaman and Joe Rogan critique Uber’s anti-competitive tactics, comparing corporate greed to The Wolf of Wall Street, while debating Bitcoin’s potential to dismantle corrupt financial systems like the private prison industry. Seaman predicts exponential growth via decentralized models, but Rogan questions its dominance amid skepticism. They warn about AI risks—Rogan likens it to an uncontrollable atomic bomb—while dismissing rigid societal rules, like drug laws or gender norms, as outdated. Psychedelics like LSD and cannabis, historically transformative, face legal suppression despite safer profiles than alcohol or prescriptions. Body cameras could curb police abuses, but systemic flaws persist, revealing how arbitrary power thrives in both institutions and culture. [Automatically generated summary]
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My guest today is David Seaman.
You might know him as a former guest of this podcast.
He's been on several times.
He's a very intelligent and insightful young man and always has cool shit to say and cool things to talk about.
And I think he might be in love with Bitcoin.
So please give it up for my friend, Mr. David Seaman.
I mean, just like whenever you have a big, giant thing, you have a problem on both sides.
You know, like, one problem is people go, well, you know, Walmart comes into town and it kills all the small businesses.
I'm like, are we really that gross that like saving a dollar here and five cents there is worth us going to some giant box where some people are in it that we don't know?
Or are we going to go to our local place where we have like a relationship with the people that own it?
It's like this small connection.
Like you're directly connected to these people's lives.
I think the issue, at least where I fuck up as a consumer, is you drive by and let's say you need a new tire for your car and you don't really care about your car that much.
It's like a Corolla or whatever.
That has the cheapest tires in town.
So like ideologically, I don't really care who my tire replacement person is or their well-being or their quality of life.
And then it spills over into other areas of your life where you're like, well, I want healthy groceries, but what if Walmart can give me the cheapest fucking lettuce?
Then maybe I just don't care.
And a lot of people, I think, eventually just buy everything that way.
I mean, if you're a smart consumer, if that's all you're worried about, you know, if you're just worried about numbers.
But I think that there's companies you just don't have a relationship with.
You don't feel bad about them.
Like, well, I don't have a relationship with Whole Foods.
I don't know them.
You know, I go there.
The folks are all nice that work there, but I know they're just working there.
You know, the guys where you get the kale salad from, super cool.
Say hi to them.
You know, say hi to the butcher.
Chit-chat with the people at the cash register.
Like, yeah, everybody's friendly, but I know that they're employees.
You know what I'm saying?
Like, I don't feel connected to giving them my money.
But, like, there's this restaurant that I go to all the time, and the folks that own it, they've owned it for like 30 years, and they're just the nicest, friendliest people.
They're just really cool to talk to.
Like, every time I talk to him, like, the guy's from Greece, and he's always telling me about like the difference between the way, you know, people behave there and behave here.
And just, I get into these cool conversations with him.
He's a very bright And well-read guy, and just an interesting guy.
So I love going there and giving them my money.
But if I go to like Appleby's, I don't fucking know anybody at Appleby's.
You, you're a young man and you make your living off of your mind.
Okay, you make your living off of your commentary, your ability to notice things, podcasting, things along those lines.
You know, I'm much older than you.
I'm 47 years old.
But my brain doesn't work any differently than when I was young.
My body is slowly but surely starting to work less good.
Like I get injured more easily, and I still work out pretty hard.
But when I get injured, like I fucked my elbow up a couple months ago and this bitch just won't get better.
You know what I mean?
So those kind of things.
But I'm not a professional athlete.
If I was, I would be freaking out.
If I was, I'd be freaking out.
If I was a profession, I'm a professional talker.
If my brain started to slowly slow down and my brain started not being able to form sentences or not being able to recognize objective behavior problems or confusion of what the topic is I'm discussing.
If those types of things started happening on a regular basis, and someone came along and said, "Hey, we can give you this drug.
You know, it's gonna make you..." It's like you're getting old.
We're going to shoot your forehead up with botulism and it's going to freeze the whole thing.
So you can't frown and it'll relax it.
It'll make you look a little better.
You're like, okay, okay.
And then everybody's like, what's wrong with your fucking forehead?
But to her, she's like, my forehead's not liny anymore.
Because then, you know, you weren't sexually assaulted.
It's like the idea of sex and the idea this person was absolutely willing to have sex with that person, but only because that person didn't exactly tell the truth.
Well, if you get friends with someone and have them stay over your house and here, man, borrow my car.
Because you think the guy has a lot of money.
It turns out he's totally fucking broke and a con artist.
Is that a felony?
I bet it's not.
I bet if he goes to court and your honor, the guy let me borrow his car.
Did you, Mr. Seaman, let him borrow your car?
I thought he was a Duke of fucking Duchess of whatever.
It's such a slippery slope because if a guy is dressed well at a nightclub on a Saturday night and he's got a nice watch on, is he now misrepresenting himself?
That's the case with Bitcoin and altcoins, really.
Aside from Bitcoin, there are thousands of other coins, and they suck people in because it's one of those things where your mind goes, this could be the next Bitcoin.
But statistically, it's not going to be, but it could be.
And so you put money into it.
And most of those things turn out to be bullshit, but there are a couple that are promising.
I'm glad we have him on our side, just the human race, because he would be really dangerous in the hands of the military-industrial, like NSA-type side of things.
Yeah, well, I'm sure they have guys like him, that level of intelligence.
But when he was talking about Bitcoin, one of the things that he was talking about was how it's important to recognize that this is not something that you're going to do and get rich off of.
Like, if you're getting involved in this, you get involved in this because you believe in it.
And that's essentially what's going on right now.
And he likes that.
It's like the people that are investing all their money.
On the other hand, it's also likely you or not likely.
It's possible you can make an astronomical amount because Peter Diamandis talked about this.
There's a YouTube lecture people can look up called Exponential Thinking.
And he's the guy who started the XPRIZE Foundation.
And I realize that part of it is probably just he wants to give really badass lectures.
But I think that what he's saying is actually true.
And that's that once you get any technology and make it completely digital, it has to follow Moore's Law to some extent, where you get that doubling of sophistication every year to 18 months.
Right, right.
And if you kind of ignore the price itself, that's been happening with Bitcoin.
The sophistication of it is roughly doubling every year in terms of services offered on top of it and things you can do with it.
And if you follow that out to its logical extreme, it eventually has to be worth a lot more than it's worth now because nobody's really using it.
It's like a couple million people using it.
That's less than 1%, well less than 1% of financial transactions.
If you get up to maybe like 5% or 10%, which is totally reasonable, I think, that number has to be much, much larger.
Yeah, 10% is not out of the realm of possibility, especially when you consider they're starting to use it on PayPal.
I mean, as soon as you can use it on PayPal, people are like, ooh, that's pretty easy.
If I could just go with Bitcoin instead of dollars, you could start, you know, you set up a Bitcoin account and connect it to your PayPal and start buying things.
Well, the thing was, like some of the remaining critics in the media of Bitcoin were saying, you know, it's great technology, but it's not there yet because it's not ready for the masses.
And increasingly, that's no longer a valid argument because there are a few companies that have built stuff on top of Bitcoin, which is kind of what people have been saying would happen.
So those are strangers sending you money because they like your podcast, which right now is still probably a very small percentage of listeners.
But what about when everybody has one of these things in their wallets, and whenever they hear a podcast they like, they can just spontaneously send you 50 cents.
Like that multiplied by 100,000 people or 200,000 people, you can tell advertisers to get fucked within a couple of years, you know.
Yeah, and I was kind of like, well, don't you maybe want to start with a YouTube channel or something?
Like, who the fuck are you?
You know, you can't just leap right to president.
And she had a few signatures, and she was so serious about it.
And I was like, well, what's the platform?
And she's like, we're going to eliminate homelessness in Venice Beach.
And I was thinking, like, that's not really a national platform.
You know, you're going to become president?
Be like, we have to address the five homeless people right here.
So my point, though, is I think that people think that they have to change something and they have to do something because they can see all the problems around them.
And for some people, that's let's go to a protest or let's run for office or let's, you know, let's just start a petition, no matter how ridiculous it sounds.
And the sad reality is revolution is silent nowadays.
Like the people who are online buying Bitcoin and developing these other coins are creating more of a revolution than anybody in the Trader Joe's on a Tuesday.
And definitely it makes it more difficult for cops, you know, if you are dealing with, like say if you're a good cop and, you know, you're dealing with a community that's being totally ostracized because there's been a bunch of cops that came before you that profile black people, that pick them out, that harass them, that are totally racist.
They're enforcing a couple of laws that just shouldn't exist anymore.
Like it's weird to me that here in the great God-fearing state of California, I can smoke weed and I consider it to be an antidepressant for me, and I do it legally.
You know, I'm a law-abiding citizen.
I have the medical marijuana card.
You just go a couple hours away and suddenly you're like, cool hand Luke to get the same exact thing.
Like now you're on the wrong side of the law.
And that's the case in half the country.
Like we have this weird limbo thing where half the states have it, half don't.
And when a guy's walking down the street with his hands in his pockets, he might as well be alone in his home until you see something actually suspicious.
Like he's reaching into his hand like he's pulling out a fucking gun out of his, you know, the inside of his jacket.
If you don't see that, then shut the fuck up because you're just seeing a guy walking.
I think that it's a real issue where I think that people, a lot of people are a status in the same way that a few hundred years ago, people were really blindly adherent to whatever the church said.
And even if the church said something completely ridiculous, like the church said Galileo is wrong, so we have to keep him under house arrest.
And today the state, this similarly kind of opaque organization, says Julian Assange is wrong.
We have to keep him under house arrest and his thing and that embassy.
It's kind of the same thing.
Like you have somebody who's just a thought criminal saying things that you don't like, but that are actually to some extent completely fucking true, at least in the case of Galileo and in the case of some of the surveillance stuff.
So how different is it really?
And you have people ruining lives over marijuana possession in a state like Missouri that's a little behind the times in that respect.
And you go, well, what gives you this right to do that?
You're just like an agent of the church ruining people's lives over accusations of witchcraft.
It's similarly non-scientific.
You know, there's no scientific basis for this stuff.
Well, I think once the time has gone and passed and there's been enough space to reflect, people are going to look back at Maryland WANA legalization very similarly to the way they looked at putting people in jail for being a witch.
Well, one of the things that prohibition does, similar to censorship, that's insidious, one of the more insidious aspects of it, is not just that you have a difference, a differing opinion as to what should and should not be acceptable behavior, whether it's saying certain words or using certain drugs.
But it becomes a thing where another person has control over you and is preventing you from doing something that you want to do.
And when people prevent people from doing things they want to do, it builds up resentment and causes conflict and it fucks up a lot of harmonious relationships.
It's very difficult to deal with the idea of one person having ultimate power over you, especially for something like marijuana or saying certain words.
If you go to court, okay, you're in court and the guy passes some sort of a ruling on you and you're like, fuck you, your honor.
That's bullshit.
They can throw you in jail for longer because you said, fuck you, your honor.
Yeah, some guy who, by the way, it's been proven they're just people.
It's not like this is like a, I have heard that the judges are human.
No, everyone's a fucking person.
So you've just got people there.
And you, so you can't say fuck you to that guy if he does something unbelievably wrong.
And meanwhile, it's been proven there's countless cases of judges being arrested for fraud, judges being arrested for corruption, masturbating under the robes.
Well, it's a machine that when you get a big business like that, like whether your big business is Walmart or Target, You know, when they get in trouble for trying to change regulations and laws in order to allow them to make more money in certain ways that might not be legal right now, people look at them like, oh, they're terrible.
Oh, they're evil.
They're just trying to stay alive.
They're a machine.
And a machine that generates money.
When you get a million people involved in that machine, and you essentially have a million pieces, and these pieces run this organism, this organism, call it target or call it, you know, name any one of them.
Once they become a machine, they want to continue to extract money in any way they can.
Once they have that process going, they want to continue.
And if it just means arresting more people and locking them up in their houses, because the houses make money, for every person in that house, you get X amount of dollars a year.
The more people you get, the more money we get.
The more laws are on the books, the more people we'll get.
So the more laws that were on the books, the more money our organism will get.
And every one of these corporations, every one of them, whether it's Target or whether it's fill in the blank, Starbucks, they all want to grow.
Every year, they want to grow.
They want to get bigger and bigger and bigger.
No one wants to taper off.
Hey, we've been doing good for about 10 years, guys.
My house is pretty much paid off.
Like, let's just taper off.
I don't need more money.
I don't need a boat.
Come on, man.
If I had a boat, I'd have to fix the boat and clean the boat.
Fuck that.
Nobody does that.
So when you deal with a company like Target or you deal with a company like Bob's Prisons or whatever the fuck it is, it's the same thing.
You're allowing someone to make money doing things.
And if we can get a better form of money, then even though we're still going to have people doing human things, which involves making as much money as possible, if they're actually using more fair money, then we can track that flow and it can be done in a more fair way.
Like, I'm pretty convinced that a lot of the shit we see in terms of militarization and all the military-industrial complex and whatnot, it's because of the way our financial system works, that we have the government, to go back to comparing government to the church from a few hundred years ago.
We have this organization that is beyond the average person's understanding.
And they're the ones in charge of money.
And it's very unscientific and it's kind of mysterious.
And it seems like that money always loops back around and goes to these kinds of organizations like companies that lobby for prison contracts and not to the individual.
There's an intrinsic problem there.
And based on what I've researched, I really think that this whole currency revolution is going to fix a lot of that.
So we're still going to have shitty problems, but it's going to be a lot harder in 10 years to be a Booz Allen Hamilton or a Lockheed Martin or whatever and do the creepy stuff.
You'll still be able to do the good stuff, but the creepier sides are going to be just really hard to justify because that money is going to have to come from somewhere.
Like in the same way that those tipping services are taking off, every citizen is going to have some say over where their money actually goes.
And that sounds like it's very futuristic still, but it's going to happen, I think, faster than people realize because it's happening, you know?
Well, if that's the case, it's going to be a weird world to see companies, corporations become accountable and start having to address and adjust.
And if you force them to be accountable, they're essentially comprised of people.
And if the people at the top end of the spectrum are not just being forced to act ethically, but are encouraged to and are empowered by doing so.
Like they get to feel good about the fact that, look, everybody can make a living and not rape the world.
It is possible.
I mean, just the idea that capitalism has to be this monster that doesn't give a fuck about anything but money, that's only because we've allowed it to be that thing.
We haven't like strained it, constrained it with ethics and morals.
And essentially, that's the case with human beings.
Where do you think psychopaths come from?
Where do you think murderers and fucking warlords come from?
Yeah, I think just so that you said with ethics and morals, that's important, but there's no way to screen for that.
So I think what's really going to help us out is just promoting better forms of technology.
We can give every new cop the full Star Trek Federation lesson in the prime directive, don't do harm to others.
We can give them the whole download in terms of morality.
They might skip that lesson.
They might not actually get that.
But if they have a body camera on them at all hours they're on duty, it doesn't really matter because we're going to have some accountability and that's due to technology.
And I think with this Bitcoin stuff, it's the same way.
You're still going to have shitty governments and shitty people and greedy corporations.
But now somebody can actually track all of it and we can watch it happening in real time.
And that right there, you know, even if I didn't own any, that right there is enough of an upgrade that I'd be willing to fight for it because what we have right now is fucking chaos and it's not working for anybody.
It's going to be really interesting to see if something like Bitcoin or ultimately whatever coin it is, if it does become big enough that it has a significant impact on the world.
Because as soon as that does happen, if the balance starts to sway in that direction and people start hopping on that and that becomes the way people start exchanging goods and purchasing things, it could really be a monumental shift in human culture.
I mean, really be like the first time ever people have a full say.
And if people really do get to that state where we no longer need a bank, I mean, that's just what a giant chunk of the economy would be eliminated.
What a giant chunk of the people that control massive amounts of resources and money.
There's a whole class of people in New York that are basically professional moneymen and money women, and they will go away and they will be the most unmissed class of people in human history.
Yeah, but a lot of actors, they fuck it up towards the end.
There's a lot of actors, like towards the end, they start sort of, it all kind of fades off, you know, and they start doing like those Robert De Niro movies that he's been doing lately.
You know, Robert De Niro is doing some fucking goddamn terrible movies lately.
I watched one of them he did with John Travolta, and I was like, what did they pay him to do this?
This is ridiculous.
John Travolta plays like the worst Russian accent ever.
They're both like killers, and John Travolta's chasing him through the woods.
They're shooting arrows at each other.
It's like, it's so stupid.
It's so stupid.
You watch the preview and you see like the obvious stunt man that's falling down.
And you're like, what?
This is an episode of the $6 million man that they turned into a fucking movie?
It's just, it was okay, but it was not the movie you want to almost die for.
But you got to think also that a guy that's losing that much weight and essentially starving himself to death like that, like that guy doesn't have much energy to act either.
That's the catch 22 is like you lose that much weight.
Like your body is fucking struggling.
Like everything is hard to do.
Getting up out of bed is hard to do.
You're dying.
Your body's eating itself.
I mean, the only way to get that lean and that thin, there he is on the left.
It's so because you were saying, like, wouldn't it be cool if it would happen?
It sort of is.
You know, like, this is the point where people who are not tech savvy and not Bill Gates or Richard Branson need to look into it because those people have already made their beds.
You know, like Richard Branson, very much a believer in Bitcoin.
Bill Gates went on Bloomberg and said Bitcoin is better than currency.
Like that was only part of his statement.
It was like Bitcoin is better than currency in that.
And then he explained why.
But what's so weird about that is Bill Gates back in 1995 was on Letterman, basically the same kind of interview, but about the internet.
And the audience back then thought he was just as full of shit as people today think Bitcoin is kind of this fad when it's really not.
Like Bill Gates isn't in the pumping bullshit business.
So there might be one that comes along a few years from now that's like ethically engineered.
Somebody comes along and some great minds and mathematicians and economists get together and they come up with a formula that everyone agrees to and they launch it and it's like the fucking Large Hadron Collider where you get 10,000 scientists from 100 different countries working on this one project and they come up with a universal form of currency and essentially figure out some sort of a way to slowly but surely even out the culture's financial distribution of wealth.
And that's like a huge issue with people, the distribution of wealth.
Because some people are like, fuck you, man, I earned this money.
And then some people are like, fuck you.
The only way you could have that much money is if you've done something wrong or if you found a loophole in a system that was absolutely unjust.
And once that loophole's been created and once that position's been established, it's almost impossible to even things out.
This is not an even playing field, especially if you inherited that money or you got in a fucking divorce, you know, like all that kind of shit.
I mean, that innovation of the money being created through mining is a pretty smart idea because now the distribution is, for lack of a better word, fair.
And even today, like when I left the house, Bitcoin was at around $380, $385.
So it was around 380-something, and I was thinking about how people go, oh, 380, that's too expensive for a Bitcoin.
I'm going to wait until it drops.
What you're actually buying is, so one Bitcoin equals 1 million bits.
And already some of those services like ChangeTip are switching over to bits instead of Bitcoins because it's easier for the mind.
It's easier to say you've received 5,000 bits than 0.05, whatever.
So that is happening.
And I think that in a few years' time, maybe like five years from now, people will look back on this era and go, holy shit, that was insanely undervalued because that's what happened four years ago.
But if it does happen, I think that it's one of those things where we are not even in the there's a cycle to a product and we're not even in the first stage of that cycle.
The idea that you give your money to a bank and the bank just hangs on to it and spends it a little bit here and there and loans it out and then keeps as much as they can.
So if you ever want it back, you can go and get it.
Well, it sounds stupid because it's been so it's been perverted, you know, in the favor of institutions and not in the favor of individuals.
So one of these ideas is if you give your money to a Bitcoin bank and they pay you interest, there's still the possibility that that bank can fail.
And they have to make the money somewhere.
So they have to loan out things and take risks and they could fail.
There's a currency, actually a bunch of them, but one of them is hyper and the algorithm actually creates its own interest.
So unlike Bitcoin where it just sits there, this coin, just by running it on your computer, you earn more of the coins.
So what they've done is create it so that anybody with just a normal computer can run the software that actually creates more currency for that network.
Because with Bitcoin, you can only do that if you're running the mining hardware, which is really kind of expensive and obscure.
What it really is, is they found a way to, This algorithm, just by running the wallet, you're Supporting the network and running those transactions for people.
So, as a result, you're going to get a percentage of those coins.
And so, they've just kind of democratized the mining process.
So, now every single user is essentially a miner.
And it changes the way you think about money because, with Bitcoin, what Bitcoin did is you no longer need a central bank to issue money.
You now have money, it just exists.
And with things like Hyper, you no longer have the need for a bank to issue interest because the coin itself is capable of bearing interest.
So, you have something that just cannot be corrupted by any kind of Yeah, but who the fuck is using Hyper?
It's used by gamers in online worlds, which the online world thing is becoming more of an economy because in a few years, people are going to have Oculus Riffs on.
They're going to be exploring around in their living rooms.
And even though they're just on a video game, everything they do has some kind of real economic value.
And if you can port that value in somehow, you could do neat things.
You'll have like a person, like a robot butler or something like that that hands around, you know, hangs around your house and hands you things and does things for you and schedules things.
But we're biological computers that were never designed.
We have been designed by trial and error and natural selection and genetics and learned behavior patterns and adaptation to our environments.
But at the end of the day, what they're going to be able to do, if you really do have artificial intelligence, you really do create something that's super intelligent, artificial, wasn't born out of cells and mating and evolution, just something that a human being created.
That fucking thing's going to have some real different ideas about how to run shit.
The surveillance stuff, the real issue is going to be for them that as technology becomes more and more pervasive, it's going to connect everybody to it.
So it's not going to be possible to shield themselves from the impact of that.
And in a lot of ways, it's like the internet itself.
Like when they made the internet, they didn't really foresee what the potential uses of it were going to be.
They used it as a method where they could send information.
There was a network that they could connect and send files back and forth to different computers.
I mean, that was essentially the original idea behind it.
But along the way, they unintentionally engineered the greatest revolution of thought that the human race has ever seen.
By far.
In my lifetime, I've seen radical changes in the way people view ideas, establish truths, find out information on their phone within seconds, get access to essentially the database of the human race.
I mean, this is a big, crazy fucking change.
And it happened in our lifetime.
It happened really quickly, and it happened because nobody saw it coming.
And I think that what they're doing inadvertently by spying on people, by checking everybody's emails, and by checking everybody's text messages, they're inadvertently creating technology that they thought would empower them.
They thought this technology is going to allow us to keep an eye on all these no-good troublemakers out there.
But what they didn't consider is it's eventually going to grow and expand to the point where it keeps an eye on you too, bitch.
You too.
It's going to know you.
But we need a firewall.
There's no such thing.
There's no such thing.
We've got nano.
There's no firewalls anymore, man.
Everybody has access to everything else.
So this is what it is.
And now everybody knows you're a pedophile.
And now everybody knows you're a creep.
Now everybody knows the only reason why you got your job is because you bribed such and such and paid off this and that.
And you have this really unethical deal with this company that does this to the land.
And now you're going to be responsible because you knew that they were poisoning those rivers.
And here's all these children that were born with birth defects that live downriver from this, In these small villages, because they didn't have a say, because they didn't have any political representation, and no one had a say at the fucking meeting when you said it was okay to dump toxic slime into the fucking river.
All that's going to happen.
You're going to be accountable for all crimes against humanity.
Anybody who's doing anything that the American public looks at, the worldview looks at, and says, hey, you motherfuckers are profiting off of suffering.
Whether it's doctors that got paid off money to create laws or to help establish laws, to advise on laws that make no sense that eventually wound up getting more people locked up for drug offenses.
There's doctors that have been paid off by that.
I mean, that was the big thing.
Before Sanjay Gupta went, I mean, kind of like completely flipped the switch and went pro-medical marijuana.
Because there's so many people in pain in the state of Florida, and they have to go on shit like OxyCotton, which is dangerous, and you'll shit your liver out.
Weed, since the time of Jesus, not a single overdose.
And they're not giving people access to it.
It's just so in your face corrupt, and you're like, well, what is the other reason for it?
Like you're denying people access to money, but the people that are doing it, they're cannibals.
I mean, these people that are the pharmaceutical companies that are so concerned with this marijuana coming in and fucking everything up, they're spending millions and millions of dollars to demonize it.
They've donated shitloads of money to a partnership for a drug-free America.
All of that is just a strategy to make whatever they're selling have a longer shelf life.
If they can keep selling it for two, three, four more years, whatever it is, whatever money grab they're on right now, our studies show we can keep our finger in this dike for up to 16 more months.
I mean, we have 80% old people, and none of them are online, and they're not Googling shit.
So let's just tell them that marijuana makes black people go crazy.
It makes them go crazy and start dancing on white people's cars.
Not only did he own newspaper companies, you know, whatever, newspapers, but he also owned these processing mills and these giant chunks of land that were filled with trees.
And he would chop the trees down and turn them in.
Well, he was going to have to convert everything to hemp.
I mean, hemp was going to be the new paper.
It's way better paper.
It's amazing to this day that the paper we use on a daily basis is made out of trees because it's the stupidest way to make paper.
It takes way too long to generate like acres of trees that are viable that you can chop down and turn into paper.
With marijuana, every fucking year you've got a new giant crop.
You chop that shit down, you replant it, it grows like a weed because it is a fucking weed.
It gets huge really quick.
It's fucking ridiculous how fast pot grows.
And the paper's far superior.
Like the fiber is way stronger.
It's light, it's strong.
You can make houses with it.
You know, it's like they make particle board.
It's like this shitty type of plywood and they make it with like little chips of wood from a lumber yard and they glue it all together and press it.
When they make that shit with hemp, it's way stronger, way lighter.
It's almost ridiculous how many uses hemp and marijuana have.
It's almost ridiculous.
When you look at the fact that it's actually an illegal plant in most of the country, even hemp, the non-psychoactive version of it, that it's illegal in most of the country in 2014.
Like I definitely, like I see the need for laws and roads and everything, but just because something is illegal, you put something on a sheet that says controlled substances, it's completely arbitrary.
Nobody outside of the United States even recognizes that.
And historically speaking, people have been around for thousands of years and using this plant.
So where does that arrogance seep in that you can just put something On a sheet of paper, and suddenly, like everybody's lifestyle has to change, or if they don't, you can put them in a cage.
It goes back to what we were talking about before.
It's like this all happened because you had like a disconnect between people and the distribution of information.
You know, if you stood on top of a platform and said, Hear ye, hear ye, fine people of the town, the king has come forth with the new law, the new law, the states.
And you say that, and then the people are left in this helpless state, like, fuck, this is the law.
Well, I guess it's the law now.
And you don't get a line of communication.
And you get this weird sense of separation, like, well, oh, that person is different.
He's the king.
And he passes law.
No, he's a fucking person.
They're all just people.
And that is what's being exposed.
What's being exposed is there's no special.
There's just people.
Just because you're the president doesn't mean you get to lock people up because they want to smoke pot.
Just because you're a judge doesn't mean if I say fuck you to you, it's different than you saying fuck you to me.
It's the same.
We're just people.
If you say fuck, you shouldn't say fuck you.
It's really kind of mean.
But it's also mean to say go to hell.
It's mean to say, you know, it's mean to say mean things.
Everybody knows what the fuck that entails.
So this idea that they're more important or they're more valuable or their state of mind is to be looked at with higher regard than yours.
They're to be treated with reverence.
All rise.
The honorable David Seaman has entered the room.
And you walk in with your fucking goofy 1500s outfit on.
Yeah, and that kind of thinking is very similar to censorship in a way.
That it's disempowering and it's frustrating and it's confusing it doesn't make sense.
It doesn't ring true.
And it's essentially capitalizing on this leftover alpha male primate behavior system that we have stuck in our heads from when we were just trying to survive.
We were just trying to get away from predators and get to the highest branches and figure out where the cats couldn't get to us.
And so the people that lived the longest were the strongest.
Those are the ones you wanted to follow because they're still alive.
Follow them and you'll make it.
If you don't follow them, you're probably not going to make it.
That's the leader.
Follow the leader.
We've got to get out of here.
That shit's still stuck in our DNA.
It's still a groove that's been dug into the fucking pathways of our behavior systems.
And we're struggling with that.
We're still struggling with that.
And I think ultimately that's one of the real problems with the idea of a group of people leading millions to war.
It's one of the problems with the idea of a group of people dictating how money gets distributed and who gets to say what.
All of that is very similar in a way in that we really can't have it anymore.
We're too interconnected.
We can't accept it.
We don't accept it.
It's frustrating and it causes dissent.
And it's ultimately unfair.
And it only exists because it's always existed.
If you wanted to refashion our culture, say if something happened, the White House got hit by a meteor, the fucking penthouse got hit by another one.
This doesn't make any sense.
It's been proven it's from space.
But why would they only hit the, you know, like, look, if that did happen and we had no centralized, it would be pretty obvious what their intentions were.
Yeah, God would be super pissed.
But we had to re-engineer our society.
I don't think there's a fucking snowball's chance in hell we would go back to the presidential system.
Like, after I did something over the summer and had some interesting experiences, one of my old friends said, congratulations on becoming a human being, which I thought was a little patronizing at first, but then I was thinking about it and I was like, yeah, actually, when you're an adult and you hit your late 20s or early 30s, if you haven't had any kind of altered states like that, it's just your loss.
You can totally live your life out to the fullest without any of that stuff, but you have avoided something that was incredibly beautiful and different and would let you see things in a different way.
And everybody who has that experience, they come back to Earth, so to speak, as a different person.
Like if you look online and you search for Steve Jobs' LSD quote, you can see one of the top results is what he had to say about that.
You wouldn't necessarily guess this unless you read his biography.
Like you and I were talking before we started rolling Lisa Ling's documentary, which aired on CNN about the ayahuasca ceremonies in South America.
My mom had it on DVR, and so when I went home for Thanksgiving, she was like, oh, do you want to watch the documentary?
And I put it on, and I was expecting it to be the typical CNN take on psychedelics.
And then she started talking about this young boy who died down there.
And I was like, oh, great.
That's going to be the focus of the whole fucking hour is this idiot.
But as it turned out, it was an incredibly fair take.
And it followed the experience of some Marines who had post-traumatic PTSD really bad, like to the extent that they couldn't be around other people because they were afraid of harming those people.
They're just filming a little portion of it for the documentary.
Some of these guys are doing it repeatedly.
Really interesting stuff.
Like, I don't see how, if you're one of those people who's like, this should be walled off from everybody, if there's medical benefit happening, why not?
And this idea that you have to do it in South America only exists because it's illegal in America.
That's what's stupid.
You could be doing it at Columbia University if they would take some of these things off of Schedule I. Yeah, if you do DMT, you're essentially doing the most potent form of the drug that's in ayahuasca if you smoke it.
And when you do that, you don't need to be anywhere.
You just need to be somewhere where you sit down.
It doesn't matter where you are.
You're going somewhere else.
You're going to another fucking dimension.
It's not like something like you have to be in South America to hit that spot.
Like, no, it's right here.
It's like, you get there in 15 seconds.
It's not far away at all.
The most disturbing aspect of it is the accessibility.
Once you smoke it, the accessibility of this other dimension is so bizarre.
I mean, probably even more intense if you do it in this ancient indigenous environment.
You're in the jungle and you're freaking out in South America.
Well, you have to worry about some things happening everywhere you go.
Especially you go someplace and you have to trust all these people and you're getting blasted out of your mind.
But when you think about how many people are doing it now and you think about how many bad reports are coming back, it's fairly low.
With women, they have to worry more.
Because I know Amber Lyon, she had an issue with a guy that was grabbing her while she was under, who was a shaman who had to flee the scene, apparently.
He had done that to other women as well.
If you're a woman, you have to worry about that kind of shit, about some creepy dude who's doing weird things to people when they're under.
And I guess you would have to worry about that as a dude, too, you know, if you got the wrong shaman.
Well, you know what it is, it's become a popular thing.
And when it's become a popular thing, there's going to be people that want to capitalize on that.
There's so much money involved.
These ayahuasca tours, people are doing them and they're, you know, every person's spending thousands of dollars and you're getting, you know, 20 people a trip and woohoo, we're fucking raking it in.
Well, in the CNN documentary, they were interviewing one of the local white experts and he was saying, don't buy this stuff at the marketplaces because you just don't know what's in it.
You know, it's some person trying to make money off of you as a tourist.
But the idea that you have to go all the way to South America for an experience that should be legal everywhere in the world is fucking stupid.
It's mind-numbingly stupid.
It makes me angry.
It's so stupid that we have to go to these countries that have different laws because in this patch of dirt, they could lock you up.
And ayahuasca is a weird gray area, too, because it's not totally illegal.
It's not legal, but it's not illegal.
See, you're not extracting it.
If you extract DMT from the same plants that make ayahuasca and you do the powdered form of it, which you have to smoke to get into your bloodstream, that's illegal.
Yeah, it just, it strikes me as so disingenuous how people have to sneak around like that and deal with the, you know, specific the nuances of the law.
Like, it just shows you how dishonest the government is.
It should be, like, if you're paying your taxes and you're not staging some kind of insurrection at a Walmart and you're not a threat to anybody, you should be left the fuck alone.
And that should include, like, you should have access to certain mind-expanding substances.
It's just like it should be legal to tattoo your face.
You know, if you really want to put stars all over your forehead, what the fuck is supposed to stop you?
Do whatever you want.
I don't advise it, but when you're talking about things like marijuana or psychedelics or LSD, There's a long history of people that have stories of the positive benefits of these experiences.
So, to deny those from people and to deny it without any personal experience of those drugs on your own is just ridiculous because you don't know what you're making illegal.
Like, you're listening to what?
You're listening to folk stories about powder that steals your soul?
Like, what are you basing this on?
What are you basing it on?
It's a Scheduled One drug.
Schedule I drug that your liver makes?
A Schedule I drug that's made in your fucking lungs?
A Schedule I drug that's made by your pineal glands.
And it's only allowed because it's been allowed for a long time.
If we had to start from scratch today and make an appraisal over what is dangerous and not dangerous for society, we'd have to have a serious consideration about prescription drugs and a serious consideration about alcohol.
Those are the really big ones.
We'd have to really look at the numbers of people that die every year from prescription drugs, and they're very problematic.
They're huge.
The amount of people that get addicted to prescription drugs, very, very problematic.
The amount of people that just want prescription drugs, they ask for them.
They complain about pains that might not even be there.
They exaggerate pains.
They might have psychological issues.
There's people with legitimate physical ailments, but there's a lot of crazy people out there hopped up on fucking pain pills too, and they're dying.
They're dropping like flies, thousands and thousands of them every year.
You know, we thought 9-11 was a big deal.
You know, 9-11 was awful.
3,000 people died.
It's like 100,000 people die every year from drugs and alcohol.
It's like alcohol overdoses are like something around 90,000.
I think prescription drugs, what is the prescription drug deaths, if you had a guess, let's just guess.
It's weird how much people need to change their state.
I mean, even we're talking about, you know, ayahuasca being able to help people and psychedelic drugs being able to show people new states of consciousness and new ways of being.
It's just fucking really weird that human beings need that, that we need to alter our perception like that.
Like, what a weird animal.
Like, an animal that alters its perception by what it puts into its body.
Like, it doesn't just exist like, say, like, a cheetah or a bear or an eagle.
Yeah, they'll find like berries and things that have been fermented, fruits that are fermented, and they'll drink that and they'll get fucked up.
Yeah, people have this weird desire to change their state.
But also, I think that, you know, we look at what that is.
Oh, you're drinking booze.
Oh, you're doing this.
But what you're essentially doing when you're changing your state is you're using technology.
You're using information that has been passed on from generation to generation where people figured out techniques to do like a pharmacological intervention on your consciousness.
We figured out a way to combine this with that, the way to fucking take the grapes and you smash them and then you stuff in a barrel and you let it sit for six.
All this was all like concocted.
These are all like solutions to dealing with the problems of the ego, the problems of mundane consciousness, and the problems of like getting stuck in patterns.
Where when you, even just getting drunk, getting drunk sometimes will reset a pattern and like make you look at things in a better way.
Like you could have like a bad breakup.
You go out with your friends, you get drunk, and you're like, I'll be fine.
You crash, lie in your bed, your head's fucking spinning, your bed spins, or you wake up in the morning, your head's throbbing.
But you had a bit of a change of perception.
You use that shamanic ritual of going out and getting hammered and doing shots with your friends to bond and to have an altered state of perception, an altered state of how you view the world.
Like, I actually, I like the inception aspect of doing mind-altering substances, where if you can change the way you think about something, it actually does, this sounds a little trippy, but it changes physical reality because then you start to act in this new way.
People pick up on it.
They go, huh, this is working out for David Seaman.
Maybe I'll act in this new way and be less of this kind of person.
It just kind of becomes contagious.
And the example of that that I had recently was going through a TSA checkpoint already extremely high just to see kind of how I dealt with it.
And first of all, all of that kind of pressure just fades away.
So when I was like taking out my wallet, I was like sorting through my cards and like just taking my sweet ass time, you know, like totally oblivious of the fact that there's like this machine there that's trying to keep you, you know, just moving forward and everything's so secure and we're, you know, we're screening people out.
And what I noticed was that this is really all just one big ritual.
It's like the shaman patting you on the head before you go into the hut.
You're just trying to make people not be terrified before they enter an airport.
Like you're in the safe zone now.
And once I had that realization that all of this is fucking theater, that they're not really trying to oppress you.
They're just trying to do this thing very quickly to make people feel like they've been screened.
So for whatever reason, it made the animosity that I had retained go away because I saw that like all of my anger over the inefficiencies of the surveillance state and that stuff, these fucking people asking me to take off my shoes are just workers.
Yeah, fuck off with all this emotional support animals.
It's so stupid.
There's a restaurant that I go to, and this actress shows up all the time, and she brings a fucking dog with her, brings a dog to the restaurant, and they have to.
The restaurant has to accept the fact that this lady's dog is an emotional support dog.
I saw a 14-year-old kid the other day smoking, trying to look cool.
Just hold your cigarette.
I was like, you fucking dummy.
How do you not know?
Like, you've got to know.
But they don't care.
They just, in their desire to look cool, in their desire to be upset.
That's like another thing about smoking cigarettes.
People love to smoke cigarettes because it almost like justifies their shitty attitude.
They love to do this like, sit back and look, I'm willing to fucking suck on this cigarette to try to calm me down because we got to get these fucking orders filled out.
They're allowed to have all women's classes in places, you know, because, especially, like when you're dealing with exercise, some women don't want to be fucking oggled by some shithead behind them while you're doing downward dog.
I think in America, there's never been a prominent political leader other than Hillary Clinton that's a woman.
And she never really quite reached any level of, I mean, she was never running things.
She was never a governor of a major state.
She was never, you know what I mean?
Like she, what she did was she married one of the greatest presidents ever, went through that whole thing, and now she has a job working for the president and would like to run for president.
Whether it's her or Elizabeth Warren or my thinking is if every country was run by chicks, okay, how much less war and how much less, like, how much less imperialism would we have?
How much less of money grabs?
How much less if all the decisions to like international shit was all being done by women?
All these motherfuckers, ladies and gentlemen, I don't know if you notice, they all have weak bladders.
That's part of what I do in the show.
I feed people coffee and I show them their weaknesses.
I show them that they can't hang.
They can't just sit down and talk.
Sometimes I'll wait around after the show is over.
I'll take pictures with people and then I'll pee.
Three hours just doesn't seem like a long time to me.
That might be the number one flaw of this show, though.
There might be a time in the future where I decide the best way to do the commercials is to pre-record them and then press play and allow the guests to go and pee.
Because there comes a point in time where I know these motherfuckers are squirming.
I start seeing this shit.
I start seeing this sitting up and lifting back.
And they're thinking, man, do I say it?
No, don't be a pussy.
Do I say it?
No, no, no, no, no.
But there's a time, speaking of which, I have to use the bathroom.
They always have that moment where they're like, I said it.
And they go run off to the bathroom.
They have to train their bladder.
They have to train their discipline and their desire to podcast.
Right now, I see a lot of people that are tapping out early.
What's going on with these people and their bladders?
I mean, the kid had one bottle of water and a cup of coffee, and he's fucking crying over there.
Could have been up all night drinking.
Maybe he's really just checking his Bitcoins.
Maybe he's in that bathroom.
He just wants to find out what the current Bitcoin level is.
It's like, God, what is it right now?
What is it right?
And he gets up in the middle of the night.
Has to pee, checks his Bitcoin.
Bill Burr will be here tomorrow.
Bill Burr has a new Netflix special called Sorry You Feel That Way.
It comes out this Friday, December 5th.
And he's one of my favorite stand-up comedians ever.
And just an awesome Guy.
I fucking love him.
He's as real as they get.
There's comedians that they become famous and they become more humble and more cool, and that's Bill Burr.
He's a hard-working motherfucker.
He's always writing new shit.
He was on our Ice House show last Wednesday, and he's just one of my favorite comics, period.
Just one of my favorite dudes.
I just love talking to him and hanging out with him.
He's just such a regular guy.
And that expression, like regular guy, is so overused.
But what I like about someone like a Bill Burr is that once he's become famous, what he's done is just sort of settle in, be more comfortable with himself, very confident, but worked extra hard.
I bend over, usually with my back against the wall so nobody does anything weird and grab my ankles and pull my head in between my legs and stretch my entire spine and my hamstrings and it gets a lot of blood flow to the brain.
Especially if I have bits that I'm working on and stuff like that.
I'll get into those bits.
I always bring a notebook so I have like a mental warm-up to go over the notes.
You got to do that too.
Performing a lot is important, but there's so many different aspects.
You got to perform a lot.
You got to read a lot.
You got to write a lot.
Like right now I'm in the new material phase.
So now I'm trying to expose myself to weird shit.
That's why I was watching, I've been watching a lot of documentaries and just trying to not even necessarily actively pursue new material as much as try to expose myself to a bunch of things and then ideas will come.
And then I sit down and write.
And then when I write, then more ideas come.
But like I'm in this just the open your head up and look around phase, you know?
They're really into their gender not being exploited.
But if you were a chick, though, seriously, to play devil's advocate.
And you were trying to be taken seriously in science.
And you were really serious about women in science.
And then here's a fucking guy who lands a robot on a comet.
And he's wearing hot chicks all over a shirt.
He'd be like, what the fuck, dude?
You know, like, come on, man.
You can't just wear a t-shirt that says NASA on it or something.
Like, yeah, I get your friend made you the shirt.
I get it.
But you didn't have to wear that.
So I see both sides.
I see it's really stupid to get super upset.
I mean, there are ridiculous articles that completely miss the point.
The fascinating point of this comet being the first place we've gotten a robot to land on, you know, like, and to have this happen in real time while these people are experiencing it and watching the monitors and everybody's going crazy, to focus instead on the guy's shirt and to make entire articles.
All of your focus is on the guy's shirt seems very short-sighted.
They're like, they're just so concerned about fucking.
The girls on his shirt are sexually attractive.
They're much more sexually attractive than the women that are complaining about the girls on the shirt.
That's one thing.
If you look at all the Twitter accounts of all the women that were really adamant about the fact this guy was an asshole for wearing that shirt, I went to their photos and I looked at all of them and I'm sure they're nice people.
But if you saw them in the same outfits as those women on the shirt, you would throw up in your mouth.
They're all people that have given up on the idea of somebody being attracted to them physically.
I wonder if there's ever going to come a point in time where we have three types of genders.
We have male, female, and non.
Like if we get to a point where people get to a stage of life and they just completely give Up on any gender whatsoever, and they assimilate into this non-form.
Like, if that becomes an option, and like people start saying, Look, think about all the problems that sexual identity causes you.
Think about all the misgenderings, all the times where you're supposed to think one way, but you really think another, and it's very confusing and frustrating.
If you were a non, you wouldn't have to worry about that.
If more people became nons.
On a recent survey, 17% of America said, if given the choice to have a completely non-sexual existence, they would be really annoying, though.
Well, the concept that individuals are categorized as neither man nor woman, as well as the social category present in those societies who recognize three or more genders.
But if you're transgender, they're trying to argue that transgender men should be able to use men's bathrooms and transgender women should be able to use women's bathrooms even if they're born the opposite sex.
If you think about gender, like male and female, once, I mean, obviously, one can get pregnant, one can get the other pregnant.
Once you pass all that, once you get to this point where you're not having sex anymore, like you're in your 50s or something like that, when you think about what you are, like you're thinking about it based on the fact that you have a vagina or you have a penis, but you're no longer interested in sexual intercourse.
If you're no longer, isn't that like a burden to be defined by one or the other?
Non-binary genders are gender identities that don't fit within the accepted binary of male and female.
People can feel they are both neither or some.
See, but the problem with this is, with all due respect, is that this perhaps, at least on some folks, is a psychological issue.
And I'm not talking about that.
I'm talking about literally not being male or female, like being neither, being non-sexual.
And if it becomes an option, and they give you an option where you can walk around and you look like one of those gray aliens that doesn't have genitals.
Well, I have a couple friends who are women, and if you start to treat them in a certain way, they're like, what the fuck is this?
Because they don't really fall into the female gender assumptions.
They're still women and they do things that women do, but they don't like to be treated like anything other than what they are, which is not very feminine.
It's kind of like a low-level anxiety because you're seeking out their acceptance because you're like, their acceptance means that I'm sexually attractive.
So even if they're not going to fuck you, you still want them to like you and laugh at your stuff and you're trying to impress them in a way.
But there are women who are like, no, we're friends now.
We're buddies.
You wouldn't be like this with one of your dude friends.
So why would you be like this with me and interject gender into everything when I'm not doing that?
I think it's neat that a woman is as far from one of us as you can get while still being the same species.
And that's not at all meant to be a sexist thing.
It's just like if you look at what you are, your biology, your organs, a woman is having as much of a different experience as possible while still being the same exact species as you and vice versa.
You just, you click on it and it randomly spits out a bunch of metaphysical words, connected, you know, interconnectedness, quantum, in the quantum level.
And it's just, it's all horseshit.
He's like the most ineffective complex communicator ever.
And when I trolled him, what's really hilarious, a bunch of people were explaining to him, to me, what he meant, and they're serious.
They're like, no, what he means is by awareness, like, hey, shut the fuck up.
Shut the fuck up.
Stop.
What he means.
You don't know what the fuck he means, first of all.
And you know what I mean?
I mean, this is a super ineffective way of communicating.
He knows, and you know, that that is some fucking sloppy shit.
That sentence is ridiculous.
It's preposterous.
It's not very clear at all what he's saying.
It is a bunch of fucking mumbo jumbo.
It is a bunch of word salad.
There's no question about it.
Like if you wanted to be really clear as to what you're saying, but there's part of what goes on with a lot of these spiritual type thinkers, people that talk about the quantum level and all this weird metaphysical mumbo jumbo talk is that keeping things mysterious is a huge part of the hustle.
Like you have to keep things mysterious.
Simplifying things is the worst thing you can do.
When you look at people that are trying to explain science, they're really trying to explain science, look at Neil deGrasse Tyson's Twitter feed, and you'll see a guy who explains things very clearly.
You never read a Neil deGrasse Tyson tweet and go, what the fuck did he mean by that?
It's sad, though, when the people are like super into him.
You know, it's sad.
They're crying that he's actually there with them, and you realize he actually is having this positive effect on these people because they're so lost.
They like really need him to be that guy.
People really do, you know, want that one person to be so connected.
They don't realize like that.
What you should be seeking is your own, instead of seeking this one person who's going to be your guru, who's going to show you the way, seek your own experiences.
Seek your own enlightening moments, whether it's through yoga, through meditation, sensory deprivation tank, psychedelic study, whether it's through fucking hiking and thinking, just being alone by yourself, whether it's through writing, whether it's through exploring ideas, whatever the fuck it is.
Seek your own answers to stuff.
But the idea that you're going to come across this one master that has it nailed, throw that away.
Throw that away.
If you meet the Buddha in the road, kill him.
I mean, that's the old expression.
Throw that shit away.
Like, you don't want to find a fucking master because they don't exist.
You're going to get roped into, you might find people that are beautiful, that have an incredible grasp of reality, but as soon as they start pushing themselves as a master, run.
And just makes you realize what it must have been like to grow up with this guy as your dad.
His son is very smart, too.
The son was on Opening Anthony with him.
And you kind of sense, first of all, A, that he really does love his dad.
You know, he knows his dad's not a terrible person.
But you could sense the sort of frustration in, you know, the difference between who his dad actually is and like this menopausal misconception that these, you know, it's a lot of lost women and older men.
I mean, I say menopausal, male menopausal as well.
Like these older people searching for spirituality that some will be in the world.
What's really kind of scary to think about is thinking about how they locked all that stuff down.
People think it's bad because of the conditioning.
You know, it's like you don't want to do acid.
You don't want to do weed.
You don't want to do any of these bad sounding things that make you seem like you're kind of on the fringes of society.
So only the people who are on the fringes of society start doing these things.
And you no longer have the captains of industry like Steve Jobs experimenting with this stuff.
And as a result, you don't have as much inspiring change.
You know, like we've kind of been caught in a rut up until very recently.
Until that whole, the whole like Bitcoin, WikiLeaks type era, we were in a span of eight or nine years where it's like very little personal freedom, very little dissent or discussion of what's happening.
I think after 9-11, pretty much society went, if it's not for survival, we're going to put it on the back burner.
So we were still doing other stuff, but now finally we're getting that explosion of creativity and experimentation that we were supposed to get probably 10 years ago.
And Bitcoin is one of those things, and like real independent media, like your show is another one.
I'm sure there's a lot of religions that are like that.
Sikhs, there's certain sects of Sikhs.
They eat this yogurt.
They were explaining it to Duncan, and he was explaining it to me, so I apologize if I'm fucking something up, but there's some yogurt that has marijuana in it.
Yeah, like marijuana-infused honey or something like that, and they mix it in this yogurt and get fucking blasted.
And these dudes were explaining it to Duncan, like how important it is to them.
Sikhs are an interesting race of people or a religious group.
They get connected to a lot of, you know, ignorantly, to like Muslims and Islamic people, like people that see things with, people see things on people's heads, and they think they're all the same folks.
But ancient religions that had their roots in psychedelics, there's still a lot of them that are around.
There's still a lot of them that exist.
There's a lot of evidence that shows that it's shaped a lot of thinking way, way, way back in the day.
And if you want to get on that mindset, get into the groove that those people must have been in when they were doing that, if you eat hash and think about what it must have been like to live 3,000 years ago, I mean, you'll pretty much put yourself in a state of mind where you can kind of think the way they were thinking a little bit.
I mean, you can never erase the information that you have, but imagine what it would be like to live two, 3,000 years ago and to be eating hash and hanging out in India and just tripping your fucking balls off on this big round ball spinning around in space.
Illegal.
Yeah, I mean, I think there's more people doing that now.
There's more people eating marijuana now than probably ever before.
And not just that, but also small business opportunities, not a lot of startup costs.
Pretty easy to fucking start your own small business selling weed.
Pretty easy to grow it.
If people start transferring that to the using it as a commodity, like the hemp movement that we were talking about with clothes and paper and building materials and all those things start happening, if that becomes legal, it will literally transform this entire country.
When people find out how easy it is for farmers to grow hemp and profit off of it, and we're not talking at all about drugs, nothing to do with the drug.
Right now, it's only legal in a couple states to grow hemp and manufacture hemp.
And as far as I know, it's still not like no one's really going for it.
No big companies are moving in, giving it a shot because it's still federally illegal, which is weird.
Because not even psychoactive.
It's a cousin of the psychoactive strain of marijuana.
The only thing that could put the genie back in the bottle, it would have to be some sort of a cataclysmic event.
Whether it's some nuclear bomb goes off or something where they have to completely 1984, this motherfucker, tighten down the screws and cut off the internet, filter everything.
No more drugs, no more anything.
I mean, it would have to be something really huge.
Something really huge and scary.
And even then, it might not work.
Even then, people might be like, you know what?
The reason why this fucking nuclear shit happened in the first place is because we were listening to you assholes.
I think there's a lot of resentment in the United States over the fact that for many of us, it's hard to find honest work.
But if you decide to go into law enforcement, you can suddenly make a comfortable $50,000 a year in some places just feeding the prison system innocent people.
And that sounds like some kind of tree hugger thing.
But if you look at the math, that's actually what a lot of these police departments are doing is sending poor, disadvantaged people, most of them minorities, into prison for owning things that I don't consider to be harmful to society.
You know, I just don't consider marijuana to be harmful.
And even some of the harder drugs that people get busted on, it's like, well, that's literally their only opportunity.
No, but what I'm saying is that that distrust, I believe, is connected to the fact that they can't trust these police officers because they can ruin your life if they want to over something very arbitrary.
So I think that's the backdrop for it.
And then I don't know all the specifics of Ferguson, but based on what I saw, that grand jury thing, there should be a trial.
Like there are too many inconsistencies.
The whole point of a public trial is to figure out what happened.
And if you're a police officer and that means somehow you're treated differently, that to me doesn't add up.
Well, I think that when you're dealing with police brutality, there's a lot better examples than this one.
There's a lot of examples.
They're absolutely fucking horrific that you could find on YouTube.
You could find them every day.
There's some kid that got tasered.
He was in his girlfriend's car.
The cop tasered him, hit him near the heart.
He fell.
It's a white kid.
Fell, face planted, stopped breathing, went into like cardiac arrest.
They didn't revive him for like three minutes.
He might have brain damage because of this.
The kid did nothing, did nothing wrong.
He was just sitting in a car and the cop told him to roll the window down.
Apparently the window didn't roll down.
Cop fucking tasered him.
I mean, obviously I wasn't there, but like they show this kid on the ground and the cop like standing over him, not doing shit.
There's a whole video of it.
How about the guy who was in Denver, who's beating the shit out of this guy they had on the ground because he said he had a bag in his mouth, so he's punching him in the face while he's holding him down.
His pregnant wife comes over to try to stop them.
They trip his wife.
She falls on the ground.
You're watching this.
You're like, what?
Then they tried to erase the video, but the guy had already uploaded it to the cloud.
And they released it and showed it on television.
And there's a lot of fucking really horrible shit that cops do.
But like many things in this life where you would like things to be completely black and white and the thing that people gravitate towards turns out to be a massive string of contradictions.
There's a lot of things wrong with this case.
First of all, the guy, first of all, he was young.
He was 18 years old.
Hard to say he's responsible for all of his behavior at 18 years of age.
I mean, you think about what kind of a life this kid's living, what kind of an environment he's growing up in.
But all that said, he's robbing a store just moments before.
There's a video of him grabbing this guy by the neck.
He's a fucking huge guy.
Reaches into the cop's car, punches him in the face, is trying to get the cop's gun, gets shot in the hand at close range.
All this has been proven.
So you're dealing with a dangerous bad guy already, for sure.
Well, you know, I don't think he had a taser on him.
But I think that was part of his thing.
And he couldn't discharge pepper spray because he was in the car and the guys punched him in the face and he was worried he was going to lose consciousness.
I mean, he's a big fucking kid.
There's better examples.
I don't know what the fuck happened in the moments before that guy's life was taken.
And there's contradicting stories.
There's people that say that he had his hands up.
There's people that say he was charging.
You know, when you have that, I don't know what to fucking tell you.
I mean, and I don't understand people that claim they do know.
When you look at the autopsy, the autopsy statements apparently tend to exonerate the cop.
The autopsy, the descriptions of the bullet wounds, they're supposedly, from what I've read, obviously I'm not a forensic scientist or anything, but they seem to indicate the cop's story was a little bit more kosher, that he had a shot on the top of his head, which indicated he was charging towards him, shot through his arm in a way that you couldn't possibly do if a guy's arms are up in the air like everybody's saying.
I don't know.
I don't know what the fuck happened.
There's people that say they saw him with his hands up.
Then the other thing that's a real problem is witness testimony.
One of the women on the grand jury, the AP story, said that she has racist views, has trouble differentiating between truth and things she has read online.
And this is actually in the AP report.
You're like, well, if this is the person, he's one of your witnesses.
There's an interesting Radio Lab story this month, this week rather.
Radiolab is a really interesting podcast that I listened to.
And this one is about a, I think it was in Mumbai or Kenya.
I forget what part of Africa it was, but there was a terrorist attack on a mall.
And these guys showed up with guns and they shot a bunch of people.
And there was all these different eyewitness testimonies that were, it was hard to figure out who was telling the truth.
There was 15 gunmen, there was 10 gunmen.
Well, they did a forensic examination of all of the video footage from all the surveillance cameras.
And it turns out there was four gunmen and they were all killed.
And these people had these different descriptions and they like swore they saw this and they swore they saw that.
But when you go over all the video footage from all the people entering, all the people leaving, they have this pretty accurate based on like real hard evidence.
They've got a 24-hour camera system going all the time.
They captured all of it and they spent hours and hours going over all the events and finding out who's the shooter.
I mean, they have a grid of the entire play, so they know what happened.
But yet people have all these different descriptions, you know, of young people, of older people, of people taking off their clothes and assimilating into society.
They dropped their gun and changed their clothes, and they escaped like a normal person, and that became a narrative.
And there's a lot of people that believe these stories.
But when they describe the actual events that they've captured on video to these people, they don't want to admit it.
They don't want to admit what is actually on video you can see happening.
That's not what I saw.
That's not what I saw.
But it's all right there.
People see things, especially under stress.
Stressful situation.
A murder's taking place.
An attack on a police officer.
Guns are going off.
Oh my God, the guy got shot.
Did you see what happened?
I saw it.
He had his hands up.
He had his hands up.
I saw him too.
He had his hands up.
And then people start just repeating it.
Hands up.
Don't shoot.
Like, okay, he had his hands up.
I don't know if he had his hands up.
He might have had his hands up.
But to say you know he didn't have his hands up or to say you know he had his hands up is fucking crazy unless you were there.
If you're an honest cop, that should be the first thing you want because it means your liability is now dropping close to zero.
If you take somebody's life and it turns out it was justified or you use use of force and you need to, any jury is going to look at that and go, well, you're a cop and you're protecting the public end of story.
What'll happen is within a few years, like you'll be watching it and one of the cops will take down some meth dealer and you'll be like, good job.
The QR code will pop up on the screen.
Everybody will send him a little bit of Bitcoin.
And then that cop will be set for the year and it'll become this thing where it's like you want to be a really fair cop because everybody's watching the streams for fun and providing tips to the cops that are not corrupt.
The racial profiling that happens with cops, but all I'm saying is living in a state where I'm not treated like a criminal for doing things that as an adult I feel I should be entitled to do that are in my own just an antidepressant basically, why shouldn't I be allowed to do that?
Yeah, you're also dealing with incredible amounts of pressure.
You're dealing with incredible amounts of violent input.
You're seeing things that you can't unsee, and you're looking at people in a completely different way.
If you work in a nightclub, okay, like say if your only interaction with people is you're a bartender in a nightclub, you would think that everybody's a drunk asshole, just maniac.
You know, if you're a woman who has to wear like a short leather skirt and show up at a fucking honky-tonk bar and deliver drinks, your opinion of men is going to be based on drunks that you see at night in the dark who are grabbing ass and acting like assholes and spilling shit on themselves and then driving home drunk.
You'd be like, oh, they're disgusting.
But if you were a chick who worked the front desk at a yoga place, you might meet like really cool, peaceful people.
You know, it's all about the environment that you find yourself in.
And if you're in the environment of being a police officer, most of what you're dealing with all day is people that are breaking the law and lying to you about it.
Mayor says New York City will settle suits on stop and frisk.
Stop and frisk appeal is on hold.
Okay, this is the latest here.
New York City ends legal defense of stop and frisk.
So apparently there's just so they dropped the appeal.
Okay, so what it is, is apparently there's like so much, so many lawsuits and so much bullshit attached to it that they're probably doing it for financial reasons.
The New York City, they're saying Mayor Bloomberg's administration has sought the appeal to appeal Judge Sharia Shinjlin's ruling, which stated that the New York City Police Department had abused its power, but de Blasio is working to settle the case out of court.
We believe these steps will make everyone safer.
De Blasio told a Brooklyn news conference, this will be one city where everyone rises together, where everyone's rights are protected.
And then we have, you know, a big part of the country where you can, at least in Colorado, just walk into a gift shop and get what you need to feel happy.
And nobody's going to racially profile you and fuck up your life.
Because if a department had quotas on arrests, and some of them do, and they're very controversial.
There's quotas on speeding tickets.
There's quotas on all sorts of things that cops are told they have to reach.
I've always wondered, what the fuck happens if no one commits a crime?
What happens if we all agree?
Like, hey, everybody, can we all keep it together for six months?
Because if everybody can keep it together for six months and we all make a pact that no one speeds, no one litters, no one does anything the cops can arrest you for, no one breaks a law for six months, what the fuck do the cops do?
Like, what do we do?
I mean, if we can do that for a day, if just we could do that just for a day, police departments across the United States would fucking panic.
They'd probably likely get people to conspire to do something.
They would go undercover and then create crime and then arrest people for agreeing with them.
Like, we're going to go rob that bank.
I guarantee we can make some money.
Yeah, man, you want to rob that bank, make some money?
I'm in.
As long as you're sure we can make some money, I'm sure we can make some money.
And they set it all up and then, all right, everybody, put your hands up.
You're going to rob this bank.
Use your fucking idea, man.
Like, that right now is legal.
And that right now is how they bust people for drugs.
They do it all the time.
They bust people for drugs where they have fake drug deals, where they put people in jail for significant amounts of time for drugs that never existed.
They thought they were going to buy and sell these drugs.
They get them on conspiracy to buy and sell drugs.
They believe they're real drugs.
But the drugs are just a fiction of the DEA's imagination and a big part of the theater that's been put on.
They do it with terrorism.
That mentally challenged guy that they arrested a few years back in Dallas was a perfect example of that.
They gave this guy a fake bomb, set it up, convinced him that you're going to take this bomb and you're going to fucking blow this building up in the name of Allah.
And they got this mentally challenged guy, set him up, got him to do it, talked him into it, gave him the fake bomb, and then when he went to detonate it, they arrested him.
But to play devil's advocate, to play national security state advocate and be the homeland type character, that kind of person who's that dumb or that easily influenced, they're going to bounce around and come up against something ugly at some point.
Well, I think the idea of the wounded antelope, that it's better to take them out quickly before the crocodiles get them at the water hole, there's some merit to that.
Or figure out a way to let this poor bastard know that he's stupid and don't listen to everybody because they're going to try to get you to blow up a building and they're going to lock you in a fucking cage.
I mean, that guy right now is in a jail somewhere, and he probably will remain in that jail for a long fucking time.
And there's not a lot of recourse.
And he probably was super excited about this new thing that he was involved in because finally his life had some meaning.
Because without that, without this spiritual connection to this jihad that he was about to commit, like, what kind of a connection did he have to his own existence?
I mean, he might have been dancing through life completely aimlessly, always depressed, always sad, and then all of a sudden he's a part of something exciting.
Oh, I mean, you know, one thing that I recognize, and I'm not, obviously I'm not a religious person, but one thing that I do recognize when I watch, I mean, even religions that I have no experience in at all, like Islamic mosques when they're giving these speeches and they're talking about the value of Islam, that Islam is the truth and everybody's, you know, agreeing and, you know, and saying, you know, Allah waqba, they're all like yelling it out.
And there's this feeling of camaraderie that's very attractive about that.
Even if you know it's bullshit.
Even if you know it doesn't make any sense.
Even if it's Scientology, even if it's Mormonism, whenever you've got a big group of people that agree on something and they're all fucking completely committed to it, you're like, oh, I want to be in with those guys.
Like there's a part of you that wants to be in that group because there's a lot of energy in that group.
They're committed to it.
They're all saying the same old ancient shit.
Allah waqba.
They're all chanting it together.
Like there's power in that.
Why?
Because Islam is the truth.
Never to clapse.
Yay, Allah waqba.
And you see that, that, that, the draw of that.
Like, it's, it's tangible to me.
I'm not joining.
I don't want to join.
But I would be lying if I said that I didn't see the appeal of the camaraderie of any sort of a group that you're absolutely committed to.
You can be the person in the Middle East who has Twitter on your phone and Google News, and you can see the limitations of being fed this angry radicalism based on some stuff that happened a thousand years ago.
It's like a slow, realistic version of a homeland episode.
So they're in Hamburg, Germany, and he's this counterterrorism spy, and they're tracking these Muslim radicals through Hamburg and trying to build a case against one of them.
And so it really is like, you see the more maybe realistic or maybe less glamorous side of counterterrorism.
And it's like, at least based on this movie, it's a lot of hanging around mosques and trying to figure out who the bad guys are.
But anyway, point is it's a really good movie and it gets you to see like just how fucked it is that these young guys get into these mosques and stuff and then become influenced by charismatic personalities and can do a lot of damage.
The pattern that's been established is one of violence, of suicide bombings, and when that pattern becomes established, that's what people sort of accept.
If that existed in Christianity, Christianity was overwhelmed with suicide bombings and people really believed they were going to heaven.
If they blew themselves up in a marketplace, you'd see similar behavior.
It's a human pattern.
When these patterns get established, it's very difficult to break them off.
And it's weird how some get established, but they're not logical.
Human patterns can be completely illogical.
Human patterns can involve cutting holes in your lips and putting plates in them and stretching them out.
That's a real human pattern that somehow or another got adopted.
And the size of the plate became directly proportionate to the amount of cows you're worth when you get married.
That's so unlikely.
If you saw that on paper, if somebody proposed that as an episode of a television show, that there's these people that we run into and they're a tribe and they have a plate they stick in their lip.
Why would they put a plate in their lip?
Well, because the bigger the plate, the more cows they'll be worth when they get married.
Get the fuck out of here.
That's a stupid plot point.
People wouldn't even agree with it.
They would say that's a dumb idea for a show.
But meanwhile, that is a very real thing.
I mean, those people exist.
There's many photos of them.
They knock out their lower teeth so that the plates fit in better.
It's fucking ridiculous.
So patterns don't have to be logical.
They just have to exist.
And people slip right into them.
You know, we've talked about this before, but the semen people of New Guinea, where they force young boys to ingest their semen because it's going to make them grow stronger and healthier.
And on top of that, the people that say, you're not doing this, you're just doing that, unless you have personal experience in heavy-duty breakthrough-level psychedelic experiences, unless you have one of those under your belt, you really don't know what you're talking about.
You're guessing on what it's like.
And what it's like is so far beyond the capabilities of your imagination that this is a ridiculous conversation.
It's like a blind person trying to describe to you what the universe looks like.
And you're like, oh, okay.
Well, that's what it looks like to you, and you can't see.
When you get your eyes fixed, come to me and I'll explain to you why I know what blue looks like.
I'll explain to you what a chicken is.
I'll show you what a giraffe looks like in real life.
But right now, you're just guessing, motherfucker.
Can't figure out what a giraffe looks like with your fingers.
You got to put a lot of data together.
You try to get a blind man to draw a picture of a giraffe after you let him fucking handle this giraffe, fondling in a giraffe dick and reaching up to the giraffe, like getting on a fucking stepladder, reaching all the way up to the top of the giraffe, petting it.
Like, okay, draw a picture of the giraffe.
That fucking thing's gonna look ridiculous.
It's gonna look like a chia pet with a fucking rake growing out of its head.
They're not gonna know what that thing looks like.