Steve Maxwell, founder of Onnit and Ting, critiques modern health trends—from DEA’s hemp seed crackdown to Ayurvedic pitta-prone diets—while advocating natural hydration, mobility routines like Tibetan yoga, and humility in psychedelic trips (e.g., ayahuasca, DMT). He dismisses supplements as overrated, except for exceptions like fish oil, and warns against repetitive trauma from exercises like kettlebell snatches. His nomadic coaching business, accessible via maxwellsc.com, blends global travel (Russia, Greece) with personalized fitness programs, emphasizing functional strength over stylized sports. Maxwell’s unconventional approach—including "unmarriage" and BJJ’s combat roots—challenges conventional wisdom on relationships, aging, and athletic resilience, leaving Rogan impressed after three hours of insight. [Automatically generated summary]
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I think that all that stuff about contracts, it's a scam.
They rope you in and they rope you in and they get you in debt.
Like when you buy a phone from a normal carrier, say if you buy an iPhone and you sign up for a two-year contract and you buy an iPhone, you're not really buying that phone.
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If you have bad posture and you sit in your chair, you really are putting tremendous stress on just a few of the parts of your spine, like a few of the discs.
And those discs oftentimes can rupture.
They say that people get herniated discs from wearing a wallet.
If you have a wallet in your pocket, like say if you're a cab driver or something, and you sit down all the time on a wallet, you can get a herniated disc from that.
Yeah, I went to Rolfing at the suggestion, one of the guys from my jiu-jitsu class who had a bulging disc and dealt with it with Rolfing, and he went to this guy, but the guy was really wacky.
He also believed that Bruce Lee could kill people with one punch, and he kept telling me this, that, you know, Bruce Lee could kill people with just one punch.
And I think that there's a lot of folks that go out there And they, you know, they hit the gym, they lift weights, they'll do jujitsu, do all these different things, but they never get massaged.
And I think they're doing themselves a huge disservice.
You know, I've said that to many, many jujitsu guys.
Like, if you can, just at least once a week, just go to one of those Thai massages and have one of those people work on you.
Or if you can, go to a real good sports medicine place and have someone do some deep tissue on you.
So, I mean, for sure, it takes a toll on the body.
And you have to do these things in order to keep yourself in alignment because there's just no way you can do heavy combat sports like that without suffering.
So you're going to definitely get knocked out of alignment, have things move that...
Shouldn't be moved.
And you need someone to kind of put them back in place.
And also there's ways you can put the ball against the wall and like roll into your shoulders and your pecs and so forth and really release a lot of stuff.
But, you know, sometimes that just doesn't work and that's when you know it's time to get to the to the therapist.
Yeah, it's one of the things that I'm finding out through this last year, because this last year has been the year of this back injury that I had, which is way better now.
I mean, now I'm lifting heavy kettlebells and doing all these different things.
No problem, no pain during the day.
And, you know, I've only been doing this for like 10 minutes, this new chair, but I think this might help me too.
But what I'm learning is how many people get injured and then don't take care of it.
They just keep working, they keep training, they try to work around it, and it winds up getting really bad.
It is very crazy, because I'm running into a series of these guys, once I started opening up about this, whether it's from the underground, guys that I know on Twitter, or guys that I know from Jiu Jitsu class, who now have atrophy.
And according to the doctor that administers that Regenikine, that blood spinning procedure that I had done to reduce inflammation, he says once you have atrophy, like, that's really bad.
He's like, a lot of people think they're going to have atrophy and they're going to put it off and put it off.
It's like, if you have that for more than, like, you know, X amount of months, a lot of times those nerves never get fully, they never return 100%.
He said that there's surgery that they have to do to open up the pathways to alleviate the pressure on those nerves.
And if that doesn't happen, if you don't do that, like, you run the chance of...
Having permanent atrophy of your muscles and having permanent loss of function of your limbs.
Well, it blows my mind how people just don't pay attention to their body.
Like, pain is a signal that something's wrong.
I mean, something's definitely wrong.
And to ignore it and just keep pushing and driving through.
And of course, you know, MMA guys, jiu-jitsu guys, wrestlers, you know, gridiron football, rugby guys, they're pretty tough guys.
And a lot of times they just, you know, are very stoic.
And love doing what they do and just don't want to stop and will just continue to drive themselves, you know, long after they should instead of just taking care of it.
Nobody likes when you hit a fly ball and someone catches it.
But if it's a softball game and everybody's drinking beers and you're having burgers, it's no big deal.
But if you're on the mat and you're doing jujitsu and someone catches you with something, there's so much pride and machismo involved in that position, in that situation.
And if you can get out of it, you know, yeah, you didn't get me.
You know, even though your arm's all fucked up.
Like, I've not tapped the things before and got out of it and been okay.
But then my arm is fucked up for months.
You know, like, I had a bad elbow for probably three months.
Because one guard pass, I'm passing, and you know, sometimes you pass, you leave your arm out a little bit.
Try to bait the guy to go for a Kimura so you can try to get over the knees.
And as I'm passing and he locked in the Kimura, I'm like, oh shit, like this is tight.
God damn it.
And I'm trying to figure out, do I tap here or do I keep going, pop, pop, you know, powered out of it.
If you teach them the technique correctly and they get in the right position and your arm is deep in their crotch and they got your thumb up and they're pulling on it, they got it.
They got it.
I mean, they might not be able to hang on to it because they're not familiar with the position.
If you watch Ronda Rousey, she's the best example, I think, of someone who knows how to hold an armbar.
Not just keep an armbar, not just catch an armbar, but hold it through all of the transitions.
People can flip over, they can kick their legs over, they can try to roll, and she just keeps it.
She keeps adjusting and she keeps rolling with it.
She's the best at that.
And that's kind of the difference between a real legit black belt like Rhonda and someone who's never done it before, maybe just learning the technique.
And maybe you can kind of get out because if you just turn your arm a little bit and now your elbow's up instead of down and there's no pressure on it, you can kind of If you're good, you can kind of get out of the position.
That sort of is the difference between, you know, maybe someone like...
Maybe the difference between a purple belt and a black belt.
The difference between a white belt and a purple belt.
You know, there's like the ability to hang on longer.
The ability to adjust.
Because one of the beautiful things about Jiu-Jitsu is...
Jiu-Jitsu is like...
The exact opposite of something that is easy and predictable and like a Nautilus machine.
You push that thing forward, it's going to go on the same track every time.
But when you're grappling with a person, even if you know how to execute the technique with the perfect leverage and all that...
People are moving and resisting, and it's a little bit different every time, and their foot's in a little different position every time, and their arms are a little bit different, and it's so interesting in that sense where you're constantly adjusting.
And at one point, we had a guy by the name of Jeff Tomlinson who was a Philadelphia Eagle football player.
This guy was probably about 6'5", 275 at the time, if I remember correctly.
Unbelievably strong and lean and slim.
He was the darling of the Super Bowl, the year that the Eagles went to the Super Bowl in Jacksonville.
He was called up.
He had actually been released from the team, but they had a couple injuries, and they called him in and went in there and caught a couple of touchdown passes.
So he comes to my jiu-jitsu class, and it's like, whoa, wait, man.
Jiu-jitsu was designed to protect us from guys like you, man.
Probably about 148 pounds at the time, 150. And, you know, this guy's like 275. He literally does a Turkish getup and is putting Ron's head through the ceiling.
And I remember screaming because, you know, this guy was like really an important part of our team.
Especially people that are like real super athletes like football players, guys that have been slamming into other 300 pound men for years and hitting sleds and doing power cleans and just...
The first time I realized this, there was a guy that...
I worked at the first Nautilus gym in...
The Philadelphia area.
It's actually the first one in Pennsylvania.
And there was a guy, I think his name was Ron Chandler or Rick Chandler.
He played center for the New York Jets.
It's the first time I was exposed to an NFL football player.
And I had just no idea how unbelievably fast and strong and powerful these guys are.
And, of course, I was wrestling for the college wrestling team.
I thought I was pretty badass.
And I probably weighed—I was a lot heavier back then, maybe about 177. And we get to messing around, and this guy literally just grabbed me by the ankle and picked me upside down.
I'm not kidding.
Just holding me at arm's length like I was a child.
And it was just, whoa!
I just never felt such power and such strength in all my life.
And, I mean, that's, you know, let's face it, that's pretty much the elite of the elite, right?
Huge guy, but not doing so well in MMA. You know, he got manhandled by Tim Sylvia, which was a fascinating fight, because Tim Sylvia, obviously a very skilled guy.
I don't know why Pucinowski took that fight.
A lot of people...
Tim Sylvia has sort of an awkward build.
He's kind of pigeon-toed.
He's an enormous guy.
Tim is, I think he's like 6'7 or something like that.
Tim's a very big guy.
But he's also got a lot of extra body fat on him.
And you can pull the video up.
There's a video of them fighting.
And, you know, Pujanowski just...
It was just so outclassed.
It was like, who let you fight a former MMA champion?
A lot of times these guys aren't breathing properly.
The breath holding.
We talked about this last time, the vasava sink, where there's a partial glottal closure, and they're making these grunts, and their blood pressure's building up.
That in itself, not knowing how to breathe, very exhausting.
And then look at the dosha types or D-O-S-H-A, dosha.
And there's online tests that you can take.
One of the first books I ever read was called Body, Mind, and Sport by a guy by the name of John DeYard who was an American chiropractor and Ayurvedic physician and does consultation.
And he had a little test in the book that...
This is back, oh, I don't know, probably like 25 years ago I took this test and discovered that I indeed was a pitta.
Well, there's certain supplements that you're just not going to get the right amount with foods, like fish oil, like omega-3 fatty acids and things along those lines.
You would have to eat a shitload of fish every day to get the proper amount, to reduce inflammation, to increase cognitive abilities, to help muscle growth.
There's a lot of benefits of fish oil that's been shown, and it's incredibly difficult to get that amount of fish oil just from eating fish unless you're eating salmon, fatty salmon all day.
Well, you know, infrared sauna is so good at helping the body detoxify that drug and alcohol clinics actually install infrared saunas to help people kick drugs and alcohol and cigarettes and so forth.
Dr. Rhonda Patrick, one of the people that I've had on the podcast as a regular, she's fascinating and she's got so much knowledge.
And one of the things that she wrote a paper that was recently published, it's on the benefits of sauna and really incredible on hypothermic conditioning on muscle growth.
More than exercise alone, when used in conjunction with exercise, this is important because this brain-derived neurotropic factor increases the growth of new brain cells as well as the survival of existing neurons.
An increase in neurogenesis is thought to be responsible for enhancing learning.
You know, when you look at people that used to live a long time ago and used to be able to survive out in the woods and survive without technology, and then you look at...
So these people are out there, and they have to build shelter because they're in the rainforest, so there's all these fucking bugs, and they see bullet ants.
Bullet ants are some of the most painful stings known to man.
They say it's like getting your hand slammed in a car door for 24 hours.
Well, they have these rites of passages they do with certain indigenous tribes in the Amazon where they take what looks like oven mitts and they embed bullet ants in these oven mitts all throughout the – like they stick their stingers through.
So they're trapped, and so they just keep stinging.
And then they make these guys wear these gloves and get the shit stung out of them by these bullet ants.
And there was one show, I forget what the show was, but the host actually took part in the ritual himself and put these gloves on.
And you're taking all this plant matter, and it's just a horrible foul taste, and purging anything that might be in your stomach.
But the active ingredients in ayahuasca, not only is it not toxic...
But it's also one of the most transient drugs ever exhibited or ever observed in the body because of the fact that it's a normal human neurotransmitter.
Your body knows how to process it, so your body just can bring you back to baseline very quickly.
It's just really something that just sounds fascinating to me because apparently people have some really amazing psychedelic experiments and just kind of expands the consciousness and they have some pretty intense experiences.
But you would definitely want to be with someone that has taken people through it before.
Well, it's also the environment that you do it in is really important, too.
You don't want to be in an unsafe environment.
You don't want to be tripping your paws off and then something goes wrong.
There's no one there that can handle everything.
You don't want to be caught in a forest fire while you're tripping on DMT. I've only had the synthesized version of it, the hard version of DMT. I haven't had the orally active version of it, which is what ayahuasca is.
And again, you're talking about the ancients knowing their shit.
They weren't fools.
They figured out how to combine two different plants to create this mixture.
See, DMT is not orally active.
If you took DMT in an oral form, monoamine oxidase, which is produced in your gut, would kill the DMT. So they figured out how to take the leaves of certain plants, which have DMT, or the vines of certain plants, which have DMT, and then the leaves of other plants, which have harmine, which is a natural MAO inhibitor, and then they brew it together in this really sort of complicated process and develop this ayahuasca, which is essentially, it becomes an orally active version of the drug that I took.
I just smoked it.
When you smoke it, it's intense.
It's very fast.
It hits you within 15, 20 seconds, and it only lasts about 15 minutes.
It's like just a quick shot to the center of the universe.
The most amazing, unbelievable psychedelic experience you could ever imagine.
I describe it as mushrooms times a million plus aliens.
Yeah, I wonder what makes people trip because the shamans say that the people that have these bad trips of what's going on is that they're trying to fight it.
They're trying to control the situation and your ego doesn't want to let go and you try to resist and then it just sort of chips away at your inner soul and finds out what's causing this resistance and then penetrates it and freaks you the fuck out.
You can't wrestle with God.
And that's essentially what you're doing when you're having these psychedelic experiences.
You're trying to wrestle with the creative force of the very universe itself.
And this ego thing that people have, oh, don't worry, I can handle it.
There's so many people that have that I can handle it thing.
Well, that's what's really crazy is they believe that the experience that you have while you're taking DMT is the exact experience that people have when they're dying because when you're dying, your brain produces dimethyltryptamine.
It's produced during REM sleep.
Well, it's in so many different plants.
The reason why your gut produces this monoamine oxidase, or one of the reasons, it probably serves many purposes, but is that dimethyltryptamine is in a lot of different plants.
So these plants that we eat, Would give us DMT. Like, you would get high off of certain plants.
Like, it's in thousands of different plants.
It's a lot.
You could extract it from just regular grass.
Like, Phalaris grass has DMT in it.
Like, a lot of it.
And that's why certain sheep will eat grasses that have DMT in it, and they die, like, immediately.
Like, you'll find them, like, in the field.
They'll run across a patch of grass that has DMT in there.
And, you know, of course, you know, some monetary incentive.
How many times have we seen drugs being totally promoted only to find out later when they're recalled, like all these horrors, you know, like thalidomide in babies back in the 70s or whatever.
Chris Weidman recently had both his knees scoped, and before that he had gone through Regenikine on his knees too, but he's had arthritis in his knees so bad, Weidman can't even pull his heel up to his butt.
He's a UFC middleweight champion, and his knees are so stiff from all the years of wrestling and all the years of what we were talking about before, plowing through injury, which is something that wrestlers are so accustomed to doing.
In my opinion, no one's tougher mentally than amateur wrestlers.
I think the ability to become a successful amateur wrestler...
There's no hidden secrets.
The techniques have existed from literally the beginning of human time.
People have learned how to wrestle.
I mean, obviously they've refined those techniques, they've passed them down, but there's no secrets.
It's hard work.
Force, determination, focus.
That's all it is.
And so who works harder?
Who can endure more?
Who can punish their body more?
Who can show up and put in the extra hour of training every day that the other guy can't do?
That guy's probably going to wind up winning.
And so these wrestlers have this ability to plow through injuries.
Yeah, it's a tough call because we're all going to die.
And eventually all of our bodies will give out.
And that's one of the things that I wanted to talk to you about because...
You, early on in one of your early DVDs, one of the first ones that I got, which, boy, I don't know, when did you put out your first DVD? My God, I don't even know.
And you were talking about the aging process, fighting off the aging process, and exercising to fight off that aging process, and being conscious about doing that.
And that's something that I think very few people do.
They just work out to be in shape.
They work out the same shape.
But you were one of the first guys that ever saw that was talking about it pretty actively on a DVD and teaching people strategies and techniques to fight off the aging process.
Not just through exercise, through manipulating your hormones, through certain types of exercise, and joint mobility.
Because all the deadlifts and kettlebell snatches and swings in the world are not going to save you as you begin to get older.
You've got to keep that mobility work up.
A lot of people don't understand what you mean by mobility.
They get very confused with flexibility.
They are related.
But it's basically being able to move through full range and keeping complete joint function and the specific exercises that a person can do to enable them to do this.
And it feels damn good, actually.
And I've studied the Russian systems.
You know, there's like a Slavic health system and Russian system.
They really developed the mobility to a very, very, very high level.
And I was lucky enough to learn this stuff.
And then, of course, I added a lot of the stuff I learned from yoga and so forth in there.
And I came up with this system for myself that I teach to people in my seminars and so forth.
And it's really kept me going.
I mean, I could have ended up like all my comrades, you know, the guys I wrestled with back in the 60s and 70s.
And, of course, I've been doing jiu-jitsu now for almost 23 years and competed at a pretty high level in the age group divisions.
And that takes its toll.
But thank God for the mobility.
It kept me fairly, I mean, I can't say I got through it completely unscathed.
But it definitely kept my joints intact, and I'm able to move pretty damn good.
And when I look at people in my family tree, you know, my relatives, my grandparents, and so forth, I mean, they were moving bad.
I mean, just really bad.
And I vowed that that wasn't going to be me.
So with this system that I use of this mobility, it keeps me pretty spry.
Yeah, there's a way that you can briskly use a coarse towel.
Rather than having these soft towels, you make them sort of like they're almost sandpaper.
And I learned it from this Russian guy, this old Russian sauna master, who showed me how to do this very vigorous towel rubdown.
Of course, all the old-timers knew about this stuff, you know.
A lot of the, you know, mighty men of old, you know, Georges Hackenschmidt, the Russian Lion, and, you know, Air Wereland, and Pavel Arola, a lot of these old health pioneers, Bragg, McFadden, Harvey Kellogg, all these You know, turn of the century guys.
Well, we were talking about him on the podcast yesterday.
That guy, he used to take, he created Kellogg's and created the bland cornflakes to keep people from masturbating.
He bragged about never having sex with his wife, although they were together for 40 years, but he would have a daily enema by his handsome male assistant to give him a daily enema.
There's like a leg raise type thing, a thing where you lean back.
It's called the pump, like up-down dogs.
It hits every part of the body.
It stimulates the hormonal system.
The practitioners claim it realigns the chakras, where they call it the vortex.
People can, if they want to Google it, they can download a free PDF. It's a book called The Eye of the Revelation.
And they can read all about it.
It was written by a British army major that happened to be stationed in the northern territories of India and Nepal.
And he observed these monks, these Tibetan monks, and how spry and how young they were and how even these guys in their late 80s were able to bound up and down the side of the Himalayan mountains somewhat effortlessly.
And he noticed and took great note of their exercise system, which was basically these five exercises every morning.
You know, it's just the way parents are sometimes.
I mean, they just don't want to listen to their kids.
But I mean, that's what's in my genetic code.
That's what's in my genetic tree.
So getting up and down off the floor is really, really important.
And a lot of people can't do it.
When I used to run my gym exercise, I had a personal training studio in there, besides my jiu-jitsu school.
I would have people come to me that were only in their 40s that had a hell of a time getting up and down off the floor.
People don't...
I mean, we're grapplers, you and I. I mean, we're used to it.
So most of the people we know know a problem.
It's shocking, Joe, when you see what's going on out there.
I mean, just utterly shocking.
Every time I come from being overseas and I come back to the States, I'm just blown away with the obesity and just the poor general health and just how bad people look.
- Correct. - Core strength and for that every important ability to manipulate a body that's on top of you.
You know, if you can get a kettlebell and you can press that thing and then you can stand, stand up while holding that kettlebell, That goes a long way to being able to get up from the bottom when someone's on top of you.
Steve Cotter has this exercise that I got from him where you take two kettlebells, you lie on your back like you do in a sit-up, you press them, and then you sit up with the kettlebells, you sit up with them pressed, and you do a sit-up essentially, and then you drop back down.
And then you do it all with your arms fully extended.
You know, I think he calls it a power sit-up or something like that.
I have a friend who's a great guy, but I went to hug him the other day, and, you know, I hugged him, I put my hand on his back, and I was like, I was thinking to him, I didn't say anything, but I was thinking to myself, like, how does it even support your spine?
I've been pretty shocked at how much decompression relieves a lot of pain in the back and about how much...
I take one of these harnesses, and I attach it to the top of a door, and I strap my neck in it.
After I train, especially, I like to do that.
It sort of just pulls on your head, and you can pull the string, tick, tick, tick, and it pulls you up, and then it puts even more tension.
I like to give it a lot of weight.
I like to put a lot of weight on it.
And when it's done, it's like...
I feel this rush of blood through my neck, and it's amazing how good it feels.
As long as you make sure that sucker's tied down good to the door, because one time it wasn't, and it bounced off and clocked me on the fucking head, and I had a cut on my head for a couple weeks.
It was right when I was doing my sci-fi thing, too, so I was doing all these press junkets with a big fucking scar on my head.
But...
When it's done correctly, it's locked into place.
It's a real good feeling to stretch everything out.
Oh, there was a movie one time with Jackie Chan using an abdominal wheel, and he looked like an inchworm.
He was just going like, boop, boop, boop.
It was just amazing.
And I had developed the ability to go from the toes completely out and come back, but I went too deep in fatigue and kinked my back and gave myself a horrible case of sciatica.
I actually rotated a vertebrae, subluxation, rotation, and spondiothesis.
I went to my role for her.
It was the first time I ever heard the word surgery coming out of her mouth because she was pretty anti-surgery.
And she said, I don't know, Steve.
You really did it to yourself this time.
I don't know whether I can help you.
And in the meantime, I had this burning sensation down my leg, into my knee, and my big toe just wouldn't stop burning.
Like this chronic, aching, burning sensation that was just agonizing.
But after that, I was also sitting on this chair called a back chair.
Maybe you could bring it up.
It holds you around the ribs like a clamp, and you're sitting on a sling, and then you release the sling, and your back goes into traction, and you're being held up underneath your armpits.
What we're talking about is there was a CrossFit competition and there was a guy who was a CrossFit instructor that was doing a clean, was it a clean press?
What was it?
What was the exercise?
I don't know.
Anyway, he had the bar over his head, lost control of it, and it fell on the back of his neck.
And by the way, I'm not down against exercise and anybody else's methods.
And I know that some people like CrossFit and they get a great deal of pleasure out of that kind of exercise and pushing themselves and all that stuff.
And I understand it.
I get it.
But this is hard to watch, man.
Watch this guy.
See?
Oh, Jesus.
Well, this is the guy that got injured.
The guy to the right of him, on the right of the screen, he hurt himself right before this.
See, he's got this, and then it just drops and hits his...
Oh, his body gave out first, and then it hit his back on the way down.
That's so awful, man.
The guy next to him, to his left, there's another video where you could see a few moments before his body gives out.
The guy to his left, his body gives out too, just in a different way.
Yeah, that guy there.
See, his body had already given out and his legs went rubber on him.
Exercise is awesome.
It's really awesome.
It's great.
It's great for your body.
But goddamn, man, you got to be real careful when you're throwing real heavy weights over your head and you're completely, totally exhausted.
I just don't think it's the right way to do it.
And listening to Steve talk about the importance of when you're doing these Olympic movements, like Olympic powerlifting movements...
They're supposed to be done like very small reps, like one and two and three reps.
These are like explosive exercises that are supposed to be done just for developing strength.
I don't think you're supposed to do them at high repetition.
I know some people get away with it.
I know some people do it, but god damn, it just doesn't seem to be the right way to go.
Take care of your meat wagon, ladies and gentlemen.
The problem that I have with CrossFit, most of it, is the same problem that I have with people who are vegans.
They cannot shut the fuck up about being involved in CrossFit.
They would just ear-beat you to death about CrossFit.
But, in all fairness, with all objective thinking and introspective thought, when I first started doing Jiu-Jitsu, I couldn't shut the fuck up about Jiu-Jitsu.
So, maybe it might just be something that, you know, when people are excited about something.
By the way, Jamie, you were wrong.
The over-under, you said 35 minutes.
I know you made an hour and a half.
Dude, I'm feeling great.
This is fine.
You know what's fucking a little bit painful?
It's my shins.
It's weird to have your shins pressed down.
Maybe I'm doing it wrong.
But my back feels great.
It definitely feels better than I usually feel when I'm leaning up against the back of the chair.
I'm usually trying to keep my posture straight, but I always fail.
But with this thing...
Look at me, dude.
Fucking locked down, son.
Complete.
Look at that.
Straight line, kid.
That's what you're supposed to be.
Just like that.
That's how you're supposed to sit.
How many people actually have one of these fucking things in their office, though?
You know the other thing they tell you?
You should stand.
You should stand at your desk.
That's like, you ever go to a concert and you have to fucking stand?
Standing sucks.
It's not fun to stand.
Standing at your desk, like, it would be so distracting.
I don't know if different police departments have different standards that they have for physical fitness or for self-defense, but when training, when a guy would come in and they tell me that he's a police officer, and he literally can't defend himself at all.
Because of this whole equal rights and all this stuff, and I'm not against equal rights, But they really dumbed some of the standards down in some of the police forces to make room for women.
And there was these little tiny women on the Philadelphia Police Force.
I swear to God, any 12- or 13-year-old kid could just take their gun and beat them up.
It just scared them.
The only thing they could do in a situation where someone would resist arrest...
I mean, maybe pepper spray or mace or, you know, a taser.
But, I mean, this is back in the day.
I did a lot of work with police and law enforcement with jiu-jitsu.
And I was utterly shocked sometimes when some of these people would come in.
The National Park Service guards, you know, the guys that wear the little mounting hats that are hired at all the national monuments and so forth, How those guys were licensed to carry guns sometimes was just mind-blowing.
It was like, wow, dude, you were so overweight and so obese and so immobile.
How are you going to put somebody under arrest when you can just barely even mobilize yourself?
It's shocking what happens sometimes.
And a lot of the cops that come to my seminars and so forth, they'll agree.
Most of the guys that go to my seminars are pretty motivated to stay in shape, but not so with their comrades.
I've met a lot of cops through martial arts, and it's one of the reasons why I have a good opinion of cops is because I know so many of them that are good people.
There's a lot of folks out there that, you know, really shouldn't be doing that job.
They can't handle that stress.
Or even if they could handle that, look, stress levels vary day to day.
Who knows what's going on in people's personal lives and how that manifests itself in a job like being a police officer.
But if you're a fat fuck on top of that, Jesus Christ.
I can't tell you how many times I've seen guys come to the gym and they've never had any training before and they're already a police officer.
And you're like, what would you do if somebody just tackled you?
Like, what would you do if you didn't have your hand on your gun at the time?
And even then, if a guy smacks it and it goes flying and he's on top of you, you're a dead man.
Like, you don't have any...
I would think that that would be like a writer who doesn't know how to spell or doesn't know how to type or literally doesn't know how to write English language.
To be a police officer and not be physically fit or not have any knowledge whatsoever of self-defense, it seems insane.
There's a very famous training video that they show, I think it was in Texas, where there was a pretty big guy, he's probably about 250, huge cop, but obviously very fat and out of shape.
And these two little guys that tackle him down and take his gun and shoot him.
It's used as a training video for new recruits and so forth.
And boy, if that wouldn't give you the incentive to at least learn some basic self-defense on top of whatever they show in the police academies and so forth.
And it's so funny, I had this one lady that was like this really, really snippy eater, and everything was fresh and organic, and she was so proud of her son and his diet that she had him on.
Man, every time I saw that kid, he was with a friend, and they would sneak bags of candy and stuff.
It's so crazy how many people just do that to their kids and they suppress them.
I have a friend whose kid is overweight, and he's always on her, telling her, don't eat this and don't eat that.
He'll do it publicly in front of people and shame the kid.
And it's a terrible way to do it.
And then when no one's around, like she was at a party the other day and I watched her just eating, like eating cupcakes and just looking around and eating, like just frantically stuffing them in her face.
Children, they're developing, and that's the thing that people don't understand.
To raise a kid, you can't just go on your instincts.
You can't say, oh, you need to toughen them up and tell them what to do.
No, you're going to develop all sorts of weird, crazy things in their head.
You're going to develop blocks, and they're going to have these mental blocks they're going to have to work out in therapy for the rest of their life if you fuck with their head too much when they're little.
They've been, you know, they grew up like a little prince or a little princess.
And it's like, man, the best thing a guy could do is continue to work out, keep yourself in great shape, take that time for yourself to keep yourself healthy.
Because, I mean, what use is a man to his family if he's broken down and sick and he just works his ass off all the time and doesn't keep himself healthy?
And, my God, go to the mat and get your time in, man.
You know, to keep yourself mentally healthy and happy.
But I can't tell you how it used to bug me when I had my jiu-jitsu school, how many guys, you know, they let family just completely undermine everything they were doing for their health and their well-being.
And they put tremendous amount of pressure on their kid because of that.
I think it's very important to set an example.
And one of the best examples that you could have as a parent is just to live a balanced life.
To live a fulfilled life.
Enjoy yourself.
Enjoy your time.
So that your kid has like that in their head.
Like, oh, you know, I should...
I see how my mom lives her life.
I see that she's fulfilled.
I see that she has hobbies she enjoys.
She likes to educate herself.
She likes to read.
She likes to do things.
I like to do things, too.
You get stimulated.
If you have a mom that's a fat fuck that sits around watching Real Housewives of Beverly Hills and eating Cheetos and complaining about people and talking shit, those kids will develop that sort of a habit.
There's been plenty of families that shouldn't be together.
Man, it's so toxic.
And the kids grow up in that toxic environment.
But what you were saying before, kids do emulate what you do.
And by being a good example, by taking care of your health and taking time to work out and pursuing your own interests and not just making everything about the kid, about the kid, about the kid, about the family, you know?
I mean, obviously, kids, when they're small, they don't have good motor control or good motor skills, so you don't want them hurting themselves.
But certainly doing bodyweight exercises.
I mean, your daughter probably tries to emulate you already anyway when she sees Daddy in his home gym or whatever.
She wants to do some push-ups and stuff, and that's fine.
Usually by the time a kid's old enough to start doing household chores and helping around the house a little bit is a good time to get them in some type of formal training.
I used to bet him that he couldn't go from the basement of our four-story brownstone in Philly from the basement to the top floor where my bedroom was without touching the stairs.
So he was doing like Ninja Warrior stuff, like bracing himself in the wall or walking with his feet in one wall and his hands in the other.
But up to that point, their bodies are so resilient.
Okay, maybe they'll fall.
They start to learn their own limitations.
But instead, well-meaning but misguided adults put these limitations in their mind already.
Premature.
So they never really discover.
So they get this inborn fear, especially of falling and so forth, one of the five big human fears.
And when I used to teach wrestling and jiu-jitsu and so forth, teaching people throws was really hard as an adult because they had this terrible fear of falling.
But it was misguided because, I mean, when you're a little kid and you learn how to fall and roll like Zach did...
Man, you can take falls and throws and you're absolutely fine.
Bodies are so mobile, so resilient, they haven't built up all that stiffness.
But when you put that fear in a person's mind, you get that fear reactivity, for sure you're going to get hurt because you stiffen at the wrong time.
You know, the difference between like dropping a ball on the ground and a brick, you know?
And that's one of the best things I ever did for my kid.
I just hung a rope in our foyer of our house.
We had like one of those architecturally designed houses that the kitchen went up three floors, you know, with like a bi-level type thing, split level.
And took my life in my own hands with my drill, trying to hang that damn rope, man.
I tied myself in with my jiu-jitsu belt and was leaning over the balcony trying to Find a beam with a beam finder and got the drill.
This is all while the ex-wife is out of the house.
She comes home and she has this rope hanging down in the middle of her foyer by her kitchen.
An unmarriage is where I have my money, she has hers.
I got my credit cards, she has hers.
I have my...
Possession, she has hers.
I don't tell her what to do.
She doesn't tell me what to do.
It's like an agreement.
We're together because we want to be together.
We don't need a government agency to tell us that we can live together, and we definitely don't need a government agency telling us that we're allowed to be a partner.
I don't know what kind of woman's going to accept that, but I'll tell you right now, I am not going to.
I'll tell you right now, Steve.
I want a traditional marriage.
I don't want to be able to tell my friends that I'm married.
That's the other thing.
Chicks love to tell their friends they're married.
Very few guys are excited to tell their friends they're getting married.
Like, see?
I got her.
She's marrying me.
I did it, you know?
They go, yay, we're getting married.
Like, well, congratulations.
But it's never like this milestone accomplishment.
Like, wow, you pulled it off.
But a girl will be like, look, I'm getting married.
Like, oh my god, I can't believe it.
Girls will get so excited.
I'm so happy for you.
They'll hug.
It's a completely different experience for the male.
Women have got it in their head, or some, I should say, because of movies and of the stories, you know, this romantic happily ever after idea that they have to get legally bound.
They don't think of it as, you know, the way you look at it is so harsh and so jaded.
It's not a legal contract.
It's a beautiful agreement, and you take your relationship to a next level.
Yeah, until you hit those divorce proceedings, and then you realize, oh, this is a contract.
Like, this is a legal contract with the state, and now I've got to bring in lawyers, and we've got to figure out how to fucking divvy up my money, and the lawyers get a giant chunk of that action.
That's the big scam.
That's what's...
When Phil Hartman, before his wife killed him, when he was trying to get divorced, shot him in his sleep, he...
It's a big deal, no matter how much money you got.
The idea that some chick is going to be going off banging other dudes with your money and riding Ferraris and flying private jets everywhere and buying castles, all with your cash.
I mean, I wouldn't want to generalize, but what I've seen from the women that dominate the men, like the guys that I know where the woman tells them what to do, and those guys also have a hard time getting sex.
Like, almost universally.
It's almost like a rule.
Like, if the woman dominates and the woman tells you what to do and the woman just controls your spending and controls, you know, what your hobbies are and tells you what's going to happen and where you're going to go, those guys don't get much sex.
And I don't know if that's related to, like, a woman being attracted to a man that she can't control or not attracted to a man she can control, rather.
Yeah, it's a terrible thing when people try to change the person who they love and control them.
I mean, could you imagine your friend doing that to you?
Like a friend going, come on, man, you're not going to work out.
What are you working out for?
I don't want you working out.
Hey, I don't want you working out.
You're my friend.
You're coming with me.
You're like, what?
Like, I don't like you camping.
Why are you camping?
You know, I don't like you going to ball games.
He'd be like, what the fuck are you talking about?
You're crazy!
But when that friend happens to be someone that you have sex with or you're romantically connected to, girlfriend, fiance, wife, whatever you want to call it, that person all of a sudden has some sort of a role they can dictate.
Like, your actual day.
Like, dictate what you do.
Whether it's a guy doing it to a wife or a girlfriend or a woman doing it to her husband or a boyfriend, it's a weird thing that people just sort of accept.
Yeah, bear hugs and grabbing you by the hair, by the throat, or grabbing your jacket, or pushing you up against a parked car or a wall.
There are self-defense systems in place to either prevent those things or to get yourself out of a bad situation.
It doesn't always involve going to the ground per se.
And Elliot Gracie was a real master at adapting the old Japanese system and making it more applicable to smaller, weaker people through the use of leverage.
And it can even be taught to kids.
The Gracie have that anti-bullying system too, which was the finest thing you could teach a kid.
I mean, think about karate or taekwondo or whatever that a lot of parents take their kids to.
How does that work?
Well, you've got to basically bust somebody in the face, right?
But at least with jiu-jitsu, you know, you can use other means that's not going to get you suspended from school for, you know, two or three or four weeks or whatever.
I was watching one of the UFC Ultimate Insiders yesterday.
You know, they have those shows where they detail training camps and stuff.
They were talking about T.J. Dillashaw was preparing for this fight, and they had a scroll at the bottom of the screen, and it was about a football player who was under arrest for kicking another football player in the head, and the other guy was in critical condition.
Well, I had a friend who got in an argument with a guy while they're in their cars, and they're yelling at each other, fuck you, fuck you, and pull over, fuck you, and they pulled over, and they both got out of the car, and both guys could fight.
One guy shot, and the other guy stuffed the takedown.
They start duking it out on their feet, and they're like, holy shit!
And they were both, like, really well-trained.
And he said, we were going at it for, like, ten minutes before both of us were exhausted, and they wound up high-fiving each other and get back in their car and drive it away!
So they fucking both realized that they thought they were going to tee off on some dude who didn't know how to fight.
The guy shoots in for a double.
The other guy gets underhooks and sprawls.
And they look at each other like, what the fuck's going on here?
And they're like feinting each other, leg kicking each other and shit.
They were actually duking it out.
And then somewhere along the line, they were having fun.
And they realized they were having respect for each other.
And then they high-fived each other and got back in their cars.
So many guys get knocked out in training and then wind up fighting.
Eddie Alvarez just pulled out of his big fight with Michael Chandler, and one of the things that he was talking about was that he had gotten knocked out before their last fight.
He got knocked out in training a few weeks before the fight and got through it okay, but that this one, he had gotten hit in training wrestling.
Someone sprawled and he got hit in the head when a guy used his hips.
And just a collision, you know?
Yeah, sure.
Just a random collision.
And then another random collision while he was trying to get a single, the guy pulled his leg out, and as the guy's kicking his leg out, he hit him on the chin.
And, you know, thinks he's fine, just training hard like normal, but then can't get over the headaches.
It hurts him to move his head around and then he goes to a neurologist and he gets CAT scans done, the whole deal, and they realize you're not going to be fighting.
I agree with you, and I think that it kind of brings up the question that we were talking about with Dan Gable.
Like, is that glory worth having those hip replacements?
Is one thing to have your body aching, But it's another thing to have your mind compromised to the point where the quality of your thinking has greatly deteriorated.
Not just your ability to move your body, but your ability to communicate with people.
Like when you used to hear Joe Frazier before he died, it was painful to listen to.
A hard shot to the chest, like football players colliding with each other.
Not even making contact with the head, but just the boom, the impact of these enormous, powerful bodies slamming into each other causes the brain to rattle around inside your skull.
He had actually got paid – made a nominal amount of money, I don't know, $15 or something for playing a game and he was stripped of his medals.
But he died just basically a ditch digger and a penniless guy.
But to give you an idea of how versatile the football players were in those days, my – My friend, the nephew of Jim Thorpe, told me this story that he missed the bus from Carlisle to Harrisburg to play the game.
So he ran from Carlisle to Harrisburg, which is about 18 and a half miles, to the game and got there in time to play the second half and scored several touchdowns.
But, I mean, that was back in the day where they didn't suffer the terrible head traumas because it was more of an arm-grabbing wrestling kind of game.
Pancrase, Bas figured out, Bas has like really flexible wrists in some way, and he figured out how to pull his hands His hands go, like, you see how my hand, like, if I was striking, my hand goes out.
It's like, sort of, like, not even 90 degrees, not quite.
Bosses would go way back, like this.
I don't know how the hell he did it, where they stretched his wrists out.
What do you think about, like, there's techniques today that you're seeing in jiu-jitsu, in MMA, all these jiu-jitsu techniques that were not in the original systems.
There's all these newfound movements that some guys just don't want to adapt to.
They don't want to incorporate them into their strategy, into their game.
What do you think about that?
I find that to be incredibly weird because jujitsu itself was like this new thing, these new effective techniques that the folks that were originally learning them didn't know.
Elio Gracie, Carlos Gracie, they take these techniques, they modify them, they make them even better, so they essentially have this completely new system They brought it to America, especially in 1993 when the UFC came along.
That's what the whole thing was about.
It was about these new techniques that people couldn't defend against because they weren't aware of them.
But now they don't incorporate new techniques into this system.
And the idea that it's perfect as is and that it can't be improved upon, I think that's a little short-sighted and a little weird considering how the system started in the first place.
At one time it was a fairly formidable martial art.
But because once it became an Olympic sport, it just became so stylized that taekwondo almost became useless as a martial art.
Take Judo, for example.
The original Judo was basically identical to Jiu-Jitsu, but once it became an Olympic sport and people started practicing it within the rules, they became more and more stylized to the point where Judo lost any semblance of being a real martial art that you could use for self-defense.
So I think what the Gracie Jiu Jitsu practitioners are saying is we don't want to take some of these newfound techniques and incorporate it in our style because this is for sport only.
This is stuff that you would only do in the sport itself.
And that we want to stay with the more traditional combat-oriented techniques that have been tried, true, and proven for many, many centuries, really, if you think about it.
That being said, my son said something to me, because I was kind of ragging on 50-50 and Barambolo, and he says, yeah, but Pop, if you don't know this stuff, you're going to get your ass handed to you by some guy that does.
So it's best to be familiar with All of the stuff.
So I thought that made an interesting point.
But, you know, when it comes to UFC, I mean, obviously you're not going to bear and bowl of somebody.
You're going to get your lights punched out.
I'm not going to jump guard in the parking lot out here if some guy would give me a hard time.
If you're in a situation where somehow or another in a mad scramble you wind up with a guy like that, boy, a heel hook in the fucking street would be absolutely devastating.
Oh, the heel hook is one of the worst techniques ever as far as going from not feeling any pain to irreparable damage or damage that you're going to have to get surgery for.
It's like that.
You don't have play.
You have a little bit of play in an arm bar.
Like here, you're okay.
Here, you're like, fuck, I might have to tap.
Alright, I'm tapping.
With a heel hook, by the time it gets up, things are ripping apart.
Well, the FDA at one point, the big pharma companies can't make any money on it.
They can't own the patent.
And this is about the time when all the non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drugs, you know, like ibuprofen or Advil or whatever, you know, was coming into play.
So they put the kibosh in this stuff and got them to ban it.
And then at some point, I guess the ban lifted or whatever, and it became popular again.
But I remember like hearing like some of my aged aunts and uncles talking about DMSL when I was a kid.
Yeah, I remember guys used to use it back in the Taekwondo days when they would get injuries to their feet, like kicking things, kick elbows and stuff like that.
Guys would rub it on their feet, their shins, things along those lines.
Well, yeah, you're lengthening the hamstrings out really good, so it's quite a severe stretch, like a form of loaded stretching or weighted stretching and so forth.
But, I mean, if you really wanted to get down to brass tacks, if you're pretty much just doing get-ups and swings, you pretty much have the perfect workout right there.
Yeah, well, your website, what do you have on there as far as, I know that you develop, you have like people that you train online, you develop programs for them.
So how do you, when you develop these programs for someone, say I'm Jamie over here who likes to exercise, if you wanted to build a program for someone, do you let them fill out a form?
I mean, first of all, I want to make sure that I can help the guy.
There's no sense of him wasting his time or money or me wasting my time with a guy that I can't help.
So he sends me a little bio.
What it is he's interested in.
It gives me a chance to see if the guy has realistic goals and ideas.
And if he's like way out there, you know, maybe he'd be better off going to somebody else.
But if he's pretty much in line with what I think I can do as far as helping the guy, the next step then is I send him a questionnaire, which is extensive lifestyle questionnaire.
Everything from, you know, your work to, you know, almost like that Ayurvedic test you took.
You know, I want to know.
And then he sends me a diet log.
I want to see what he's putting in his body.
And then I send a fitness assessment.
In the meantime, he takes three photos, non-posed, just like in a pair of shorts so I can look at his structure.
I particularly need to see the feet and the knees and see how the guy's standing, his posture, you know, back, front, side.
So I need to look at his spine, his shoulders, look at if there's any structural stuff going on.
And based on those photos, sometimes I'll have different fitness assessments because before I can take him where he thinks he wants to go, I've got to know where he's at.
So there in Novosibirsk, the Russian experiment...
No one spoke any English whatsoever.
So I have a universal translator on my iPad and iPhone that I can write a question out and then show it in Russian and then hit a button and change the keyboard to Russian.
And then they can type back and be in English.
So you can communicate with this modern technology.
I didn't get a chance to actually see it, you know, what they did for the lower body.
For sure what they do is pretty amazing, but it might not be the best way to go for especially people over 40 because of the joint trauma.
Because remember, there's a difference between working for strength and demonstrating strength and doing feats and stunts versus just regular exercise.
Oh, yeah, there's the Bar Stars, and then there's, when I was in Australia, there was the, what was it, the Bar's Beasts.
Down in Bondi Beach, these Australian guys that, you know, so in every country, especially the poorer countries, you know, most of these outdoor playgrounds and gyms are pretty available to a lot of these guys, whereas they couldn't even afford a regular commercial gym.
Isn't that also a case for guys that want to compete in MMA? Like those big bulky football player type dudes, they're never going to be able to have good endurance.
It's going to be really hard for those guys, you know, because they're kind of like just naturally fast-twitched guys with low anaerobic endurance levels.
And no matter how much they train for endurance, they're always going to be lacking in that particular department.
You know, the cool thing about combat martial arts though, And combat sport, there's a whole array of physique types that seem to do pretty well.
You have like little fireplug guys that do pretty good.
You start to develop a style for your particular physique type and all that, which makes combat martial arts different than any other sport on the planet.
Because you won't find a big rare physique playing NBA basketball, for example.
They're all tall guys.
Occasionally you'll see a little guy, but rare.
You only see huge behemoths playing NFL football.
Once in a while you might have some little guy, but he's like one in millions, you know what I mean?
They can make it.
So the sport attracts the physique type.
These people are...
Good at it because they have the body that does well with that particular activity.
I mean, I've never seen anyone with that type of musculature that just did it on bodyweight training, but that's not to say that maybe he's an exception to the rule.
He just might be that type of, you know, have that type of genetics, you know?
And they had trained for three months, according to Kirk Douglas' biography, they had trained for three months with those weapons in order to put on that fight scene.
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And also for Steve, all of June, he's going to be in Germany, Frankfurt, Cologne, Munich, all of July in the UK. Edinburgh, London, Stockport, Lancaster Shire, Lancashire?