Feb. 12, 2014 - The Joe Rogan Experience
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The Joe Rogan experience. | |
| Drink my day, Joe Rogan. | ||
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| Ladies and gentlemen, Powerful War Machine. | ||
| What's up, buddy? | ||
| How are you, man? | ||
| Good, man. | ||
| Happy to be here. | ||
| Happy to have you, man. | ||
| You and I have been friends for a long time. | ||
| Know you from when you first entered into the UFC and all through your various legal difficulties and troubles. | ||
| We've always remained friendly. | ||
| So I was happy to have you on here, man, and sit down and talk to you. | ||
| And I think people have a fucked up opinion of you. | ||
| It's hard to form an opinion on someone based on them getting arrested, based on internet battles. | ||
| You know what, man? | ||
| I get it all the time. | ||
| I get it. | ||
| Where I'll be out somewhere at an after-fight party and meeting people, and they'll be like, hey, you know what, man? | ||
| Like, I feel bad, man. | ||
| I'm one of those guys that always talks shit about you online. | ||
| And tonight I feel guilty. | ||
| And I'm like, I don't worry about it. | ||
| Or just right now, I'm training towards Jim. | ||
| And the new coach over there is Robert Follis. | ||
| And I had never met him before. | ||
| He's a great guy. | ||
| Yeah, now I like him. | ||
| But when I first got there, before I was coming, someone said, hey, War Machine's going to start coming. | ||
| He's like, oh, well, we'll see about that. | ||
| I'll give him a trial run. | ||
| Because he believed the rumors. | ||
| And he met me now every day. | ||
| He's like, I'm so glad to have you here, man. | ||
| You train hard. | ||
| You're a good guy. | ||
| But he doesn't know that I know that he's not like me. | ||
| But I get a lot of flack for my shenanigans. | ||
| And it's because it's blown out of proportion a lot, I think. | ||
| Well, it's definitely, there's some of it's blown out of proportion. | ||
| But then, you know, you actually did some shit. | ||
| You did wind up going to jail for beating the fuck out of some people. | ||
| You got a little crazy a few times. | ||
| But I mean, that's normal human stuff, you know? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, everyone gets in fights. | ||
| I mean, I'm driving here today, and an old lady was flipping me off on the side, you know, cutting me off. | ||
| You know, people are violent, you know. | ||
| It does happen. | ||
| It's a natural thing to get in a fight, you know. | ||
| It does happen, but what I'm saying is, like, it's not just, you definitely are a good marketer. | ||
| You definitely put your shenanigans out there to get people excited about it. | ||
| And a lot of talk. | ||
| I mean, it works. | ||
| There's a lot of, I mean, your Twitter feed's very active, you know, whether it's people hating on you or not. | ||
| Yeah, I have no filter, you know. | ||
| And it works good. | ||
| Like, people know who I am. | ||
| I have a fan who fans gives it, but also I'm kind of on the black edge, you know what I mean? | ||
| From people who won't touch me. | ||
| Yeah, I'm sure like sponsors and stuff. | ||
| Yeah, that. | ||
| If I was in the UFC right now, I'd be fired every day. | ||
| Probably, yeah. | ||
| I was thinking that when I saw your blowjob tweet. | ||
| I was like, I don't think they would let you get away with that. | ||
| I'd be fired every single day. | ||
| Why not, really, in my opinion? | ||
| Who cares? | ||
| As long as you're not hurting anybody. | ||
| It's one thing we were also talking before the show started about Tiago Silva. | ||
| And you had a really good point. | ||
| You're like, Tiago Silva should have never left Brazil because you could act like that down in Brazil. | ||
| Well, you know what? | ||
| No, here's the way I see it. | ||
| Bring a man from 1930s, not a criminal, a regular guy, a lawful citizen, and let him live today, guess what? | ||
| He's going to go to jail. | ||
| Because there's so many strict laws now and everything's different. | ||
| So you can't be raised with one set of morals and guidelines and then come live now when you can't do anything. | ||
| And we don't want to give the wrong impression about Brazil because I love Brazil and I'm a huge fan of Brazil. | ||
| I think Rio is like one of the greatest cities in the world. | ||
| Florianopoulos. | ||
| But I've never been. | ||
| But the bottom line is Brazilian people, they're more relaxed about the way they do business. | ||
| They're more relaxed about the, I mean, they're very aggressive men, too. | ||
| I mean, there's a reason why the UFC and MMA, like all of it originated, you know, Valley Tudo originated out of Brazil. | ||
| Sure, there was fights going on all over the world. | ||
| There always has been. | ||
| But Brazil has a very special relationship with violence. | ||
| Yeah, it's a third world country. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, I mean, the problem. | ||
| I don't know if it is anymore. | ||
| No, the economy of Brazil has boomed so much over the last decade. | ||
| Apparently, they've discovered oil offshore in Brazil. | ||
| And, yeah, and there's a bunch of other economic factors that have led their economy is very strong right now. | ||
| It's actually, they're probably, you know, they're probably one of the biggest growth countries over the past few years. | ||
| But I just know that the United States is maybe the strictest country on violence. | ||
| Like, fights. | ||
| When I was in England, people were getting in bar fights and the cops came and broke it up. | ||
| No one went to jail. | ||
| It was like, oh, Paul Daly, what do you beat that guy up? | ||
| And he got, what happened to him? | ||
| He's not in jail. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I went to jail. | ||
| Who did Paul Daly beat up? | ||
| Some guy in a bar fight. | ||
| Remember? | ||
| Remember, he lost his visa. | ||
| He couldn't fight in Bellator. | ||
| Oh, I didn't know. | ||
| That's why he lost his visa. | ||
| And me, like, I got in a bar fight with a 300-pound guy a year in jail, both times, you know? | ||
| It wasn't his first offense. | ||
| He had multiple offenses and no jail time, you know? | ||
| Well, you know, they look at you. | ||
| You got a hand grenade tattooed on your neck. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| You know, you got... | ||
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What does it say? | |
| Oh, DGAF. | ||
| Don't give a fuck. | ||
| Don't give a fuck. | ||
| I mean, come on, man. | ||
| If I didn't know you, I would assume, like, dad, this guy's a pain. | ||
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Hey, but if you watch on YouTube the first case, it's on the surveillance camera's there. | |
| My best friend's a Navy SEAL. | ||
| He starts the whole fight. | ||
| He beats up everybody. | ||
| I don't jump in until he gets jumped. | ||
| And I'm the only one that even got arrested. | ||
| So you got arrested just because it would make publicity and things? | ||
| I think because, all right, are we going to charge a Navy SEAL that just won a bronze star or this wild maniac war machine who did porn and got kicked out of the U.C.? | ||
| And that's don't give a fuck tattoo. | ||
| Yeah, you know. | ||
| So like, they're not going to get the war hero. | ||
| My friend's mom was like, hey, Ryan, how come John is going to jail? | ||
| You did everything. | ||
| That's not fair. | ||
| And Ryan's like, we don't know. | ||
| Whatever. | ||
| It happens, you know? | ||
| Well, listen, man, you know as well as I know, if you're in the wrong place at the wrong time, anything can happen. | ||
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Yeah, yeah. | |
| And that's why I don't go out anymore, dude, period. | ||
| Smart. | ||
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I can't. | |
| I can't risk it. | ||
| It is smart. | ||
| And we're also not trying to make light of what happened with Tiago Silva. | ||
| I don't know the specifics. | ||
| I don't know the rules. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I mean, or rather the facts. | ||
| I don't know if he had a weapon. | ||
| I don't know what the fuck happened. | ||
| I know a bunch of different rumors. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But I like that guy. | ||
| The way he fights. | ||
| He's a bad motherfucker. | ||
| He's a dangerous dude. | ||
| He's tough. | ||
| You know what, though? | ||
| I know the one thing for sure was that a woman was involved. | ||
| And people go crazy when their wife, women is involved. | ||
| So anyone is susceptible to going crazy when the woman that love is involved. | ||
| It doesn't excuse it, but who knows what happened? | ||
| Who knows? | ||
| Yeah, apparently it's his ex-wife, and I don't know what the story was, but apparently there was an armed standoff. | ||
| That was what the papers and all the press was reporting. | ||
| I don't know if there was really weapons involved. | ||
| I really have no idea. | ||
| But it sucks. | ||
| That guy's gone now. | ||
| He was a great fighter. | ||
| Yeah, and the UFC's he's never going to fight in the UFC again. | ||
| And it sucks more for the, if whatever he did actually happened, it sucks way more for the people that were his victims, of course. | ||
| But it just sucks that a guy like that can't keep it together. | ||
| Especially if you're a fan of the sport and you like watching him fight. | ||
| You always knew you're going to have a fun fight with that guy who was in there. | ||
| I enjoyed watching him. | ||
| I was a fan of him. | ||
| Yeah, but your point about a guy like that growing up in Brazil, growing up kind of wild, coming over here and everybody's so conservative. | ||
| So many laws and so much button down on behavior. | ||
| You're right about England too, man. | ||
| Doug Stanhope has a whole bit about it. | ||
| A lot of countries, man. | ||
| I mean, a lot of countries, a fight, as long as it's one-on-one, hey, that's cool. | ||
| Nothing can happen. | ||
| But America is strict. | ||
| It's no joke with that stuff. | ||
| Yeah, it's rare that you hear about UFC fighters getting in fights, though. | ||
| If you look at it, it's really pretty amazing in comparison. | ||
| Like, you know, Bader Hari, that motherfucker's always getting in trouble, which is another terrible situation because he's one of the most exciting kickboxers on the planet. | ||
| Love watching that guy fight, but he's always in trouble. | ||
| He had to go to Morocco for a while and hide. | ||
| And then he came back and he had to deal with his issue. | ||
| And then a new issue came up. | ||
| Some dude got his leg stomped at a club. | ||
| You know what? | ||
| I think it happens more than we think. | ||
| I think that people don't, they just get lucky to get away with it. | ||
| I'm the worst because I have tattoos, too many tattoos. | ||
| I'm screwed. | ||
| Is that what it is? | ||
| Yeah, because they're like, oh, so what happened? | ||
| There was a fight. | ||
| A guy had a grenade on his neck. | ||
| Oh, let's punch that into the computer. | ||
| You know, I'm screwed. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| It doesn't even matter. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| You know, but someone else maybe no tattoos. | ||
| It was a white guy who was kind of most, I don't know, unless you recognized him, you know? | ||
| Yeah, well, I'm glad you're deciding to stay in now. | ||
| I have to. | ||
| Keep away. | ||
| Jail sucks, dude. | ||
| I'm sure, dude. | ||
| Two years ago, I was in the hole. | ||
| it was boring. | ||
| Did they put you in solitary? | ||
| Well, the first year I did my first six months was in the regular, and then after that, I got an argument with a sergeant. | ||
| And then one of the cops said, hey, man, that guy's a UFC fighter, whatever. | ||
| So, well, he shouldn't be in your population. | ||
| They put me in the hole the last six months. | ||
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What? | |
| Just because you're a UFC fighter? | ||
| They're saying, like, well, how come I know that he could have, what if you would have attacked me or another inmate? | ||
| So they put me in the hole. | ||
| Then the second year when I went to jail, the whole year in Vegas, I was in the hole the whole time because they already knew who I was and they just stuck me in there. | ||
| Wow, for how long were you in the hole? | ||
| The whole year, the second. | ||
| A whole year by yourself. | ||
| Which, you know what? | ||
| It sounds bad, but it's kind of better because there's no chance to get in trouble. | ||
| For me, at least. | ||
| You know, I don't know. | ||
| Like, after a whole year, you know, you get aggravated one day, and then there's those guys in there are fake tough guys, and they want to be jerks, and there's always little politics. | ||
| You get in one little fight, and next thing you know, I'm back in jail for who knows how long, you know. | ||
| Especially depending upon what happens to the guy. | ||
| Yeah, because I mean, I was in jail in San Diego when I was in the mainline still, and these guys are playing chess for push-ups. | ||
| And it was a little Asian guy from, he was actually from Burma. | ||
| Nice old man. | ||
| He was only in there because he had a wife and three kids, and a tow truck driver was towing his car. | ||
| And he was like, no, no, no, no. | ||
| Trying to stop him from tow the car. | ||
| He pushed the driver, so they put him in jail for assault, right? | ||
| Wow. | ||
| He was in there. | ||
| He's playing chess with another guy, and they bet 100 push-ups. | ||
| The Burmese guy, he won. | ||
| And he goes, oh, you push-ups. | ||
| You only push-ups. | ||
| And the guy's like, no, I ain't doing shit. | ||
| And like, oh, no, it's not fair. | ||
| And the next thing you know, like, what? | ||
| What are you going to do? | ||
| And he starts punching the Burmese guy. | ||
| He hit him like three or four times. | ||
| And the guy was like, he closed his eyes, one overhand right, knocked the guy out. | ||
| The guy died. | ||
| The guy fell down, hit his head. | ||
| They charged him with murder. | ||
| And it's on camera. | ||
| Like, you know damn well that was self-defense. | ||
| They charged him with murder. | ||
| I don't know what happened to that guy. | ||
| He was in... | ||
| He was the nicest old, like, he was probably like 45, such a nice guy. | ||
| That's a sad, sad story. | ||
| Yeah, you know, and like. | ||
| And you know that that could happen. | ||
| And then he's Buddhist, so he's brainwashed. | ||
| This is my karma. | ||
| It's okay. | ||
| This is the plan for God. | ||
| Accepting it. | ||
| I'm like, man, this is bullshit, man. | ||
| Like, I felt so bad. | ||
| I made me want to cry. | ||
| I felt bad for that guy. | ||
| Yeah, there should be room in the system for reason, like, with a guy like that. | ||
| It should be a guy like that. | ||
| You should be able to pull that guy aside and go, tell me what happened, man. | ||
| What's your version of the story? | ||
| And they should be like, just no, look, just don't do this again, and we're cool. | ||
| Just don't hit anybody. | ||
| You know, just call the authorities if you have to. | ||
| Don't touch people. | ||
| And the guy would probably be like, it'll never happen again. | ||
| And then you're good. | ||
| You don't have to put a guy like that in a cage. | ||
| Well, you know, I was reading all these surveys and stuff in jail articles, but they were saying that we have more people in jail than any country by far. | ||
| By far. | ||
| Like, we incarcerate people five times more than England, and they're in second place. | ||
| We have more prisoners in California than the whole country of Canada. | ||
| And the crime rates are the same. | ||
| So why is everyone in jail? | ||
| I don't understand. | ||
| It's a business, but. | ||
| Well, that is the thing. | ||
| It is a business. | ||
| That's a crazy thing to admit. | ||
| It's a crazy thing to talk about because most people, it sounds so unreasonable, it sounds like a conspiracy theory. | ||
| It sounds like you're saying that fucking George Bush planned 9-11. | ||
| It almost sounds the same thing. | ||
| The prisons, they make profit off of putting people in jail. | ||
| You know what, dude? | ||
| You know what they charge me for a stamped envelope? | ||
| It was like, what, 89 cents for a stamped envelope? | ||
| Dude, it stamps 44 cents. | ||
| And how much is an envelope? | ||
| They're taxed you on everything. | ||
| Everything's taxed. | ||
| It's like selling drugs, better than drugs. | ||
| Well, that's just what's going on for that. | ||
| But the private prisons are getting paid. | ||
| They get paid by the government. | ||
| By the government. | ||
| The amount of prisoners that they have is directly proportionate to what they get paid. | ||
| Yeah, and then I was reading. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| I was reading all these stats, right? | ||
| So they said, okay, a year in jail costs to the state $55,000 or something dollars to house you for a year, right? | ||
| A year in, what's called house arrest? | ||
| Costs the state $5,000. | ||
| House arrest, you're half as likely to reset it to do a new crime, all right? | ||
| So they know that. | ||
| It's a fact. | ||
| So why wouldn't you put the guy on house arrest if it's only for a year and save space in jail, you know? | ||
| Because you know what happens is that a year in jail, it's like, only it's only a year. | ||
| Yeah, but guess what? | ||
| You lost your job. | ||
| You lost your credit. | ||
| You lost your house. | ||
| You lost your car. | ||
| So you come out with nothing. | ||
| And then you're, all right, man, I want to do good, but I'm going to do one more crime to get some money and then I'll be straight again. | ||
| But when you're on house arrest, it's like a year, it's still jail. | ||
| You can't do nothing fun. | ||
| Jail to work. | ||
| Or, you know, home to work, home to work. | ||
| But at the end of that year, you didn't lose your credit. | ||
| You didn't lose your house. | ||
| You didn't lose your car. | ||
| So you're like, fuck, I don't want to get in trouble again. | ||
| But you don't have to start from zero. | ||
| You're still where you were, you know? | ||
| Right, but the government doesn't get paid when you're under house arrest. | ||
| That's the debt. | ||
| It's $25,000, you know, instead of $55,000. | ||
| But it should work on what works better, you know? | ||
| I don't know, man. | ||
| It was a jacked-up system when I was in there. | ||
| Well, it's a for-profit system. | ||
| And any for-profit system becomes an organism, and organisms protect themselves, and that's what they do. | ||
| I mean, when you find out that prison guards lobby, and they have prison guard unions, and they lobby to make sure that certain drug laws are in place, they want certain drug laws in place to ensure that there's a certain amount of prisoners. | ||
| That's crazy, man. | ||
| That's slavery. | ||
| That is fucking slavery. | ||
| It is, dude. | ||
| And just like the same thing, all across the inner cities, they're canceling after-school programs and all this stuff. | ||
| And they're building more juvenile halls. | ||
| What? | ||
| That's a coincidence? | ||
| No. | ||
| So you're going to fucking, these inner city kids, they're going to gangbang or they're going to play sports. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| You hear the stories of these kids. | ||
| Well, I play sports to stay out of trouble. | ||
| Well, now there's no sports. | ||
| Well, now I'm going to gangbang. | ||
| Now there's more juvenile halls. | ||
| And they want that. | ||
| It's fucked up, man. | ||
| You're right. | ||
| If you were trying to follow a conspiracy, that would be the exact correct thing to do to make sure there's more crime. | ||
| If you were going to try to prevent crime and save lives, you would do the exact opposite thing. | ||
| You wouldn't spend the money on juvenile halls. | ||
| You'd spend it on community centers. | ||
| You'd spend it on counselors, spend it on people. | ||
| Look, you know, I saw your story on Bellator about your father dying when you were young. | ||
| And I grew up without my dad. | ||
| I haven't spoken to my dad since I was seven. | ||
| And I think that a lot of young men, especially, growing up without any sort of a father figure can get into a fuckload of trouble. | ||
| You can get so distorted and twisted. | ||
| It's like one of the easiest ways for a young man to grow up fucked up, is to not have an example. | ||
| For sure. | ||
| We, somehow or another, we need, we like identify and we sort of like, we connect with these examples, positive examples or negative examples. | ||
| And there's also the issue that a lot of people deal with where, you know, yeah, they're fucked up. | ||
| Yeah, they're in trouble. | ||
| Yeah, but they grew up in a piece of shit household. | ||
| They grew up with an asshole for a dad. | ||
| We're not all starting from scratch. | ||
| Like everybody's not starting on the same level. | ||
| Some people start the game at a fucking home base. | ||
| They're already done. | ||
| They're one. | ||
| Their parents are rich. | ||
| Everyone's friendly. | ||
| They're done. | ||
| And some people, from the jump, your life is challenged. | ||
| From the jump, there's food, there's poverty, there's assault, there's all sorts of shit that you're dealing with in your house on a regular basis. | ||
| Like, you know, people say that, you know, I'm a maniac, right? | ||
| And I'm more out there than most people, but like, I mean, I don't like to complain about my life, but I turn out pretty good for considering, you know what I mean? | ||
| And if it wasn't for me finding an outlet in like weightlifting and sports and all that stuff, I would have been a maniac. | ||
| Well, for sure, you know? | ||
| Yeah, I mean, you went through a lot of crazy shit for sure, but you've always been a good dude to talk to. | ||
| And that's one of the reasons why I wanted to have you on the podcast because that's where I think that people get the wrong impression of you. | ||
| It's like a lot of people in the same circumstances of you would have turned out even worse. | ||
| And that's the reality of life. | ||
| We don't start off in the same place. | ||
| We don't. | ||
| And you know what? | ||
| I was actually on a pretty good track. | ||
| My dad died when I was 13, right? | ||
| I gave him CPR. | ||
| He died, right? | ||
| So I went to live with my mom. | ||
| And she's a drug addict. | ||
| And my stepdad's a drug addict, the losers, right? | ||
| It was a mess. | ||
| And I had no rules, man. | ||
| I could do anything I wanted. | ||
| No rules. | ||
| But I found a gym I went to. | ||
| It was a little hole in the wall of gyms called Mapes Gym in Scene Valley. | ||
| That's where I grew up. | ||
| But it was all like cops and firefighters and ex-military. | ||
| And there's this old crusty Navy SEAL. | ||
| His name is Jim Taylor. | ||
| He was like 55, ex-Vietnam guy, right? | ||
| And he became kind of like my dad. | ||
| So I mean, I was, I wish I had pictures when I was in, I was jacked when I was a kid, bro. | ||
| Like, I was like this in high school. | ||
| I looted the weights and I played sports. | ||
| I had all A's and B's. | ||
| You know, I didn't get injured. | ||
| I got in fights, but that was it. | ||
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All good grades, wrestled, all these sports. | |
| I wanted to be a Navy SEAL. | ||
| I went to the Citadel for college. | ||
| I was a biology major. | ||
| And, you know, I was doing, I did everything good. | ||
| You know, I sucked it up. | ||
| I did everything right. | ||
| And then after my sophomore year, I go to the guidance counselor's office and they're like, hey, you owe us $15,000 from this year. | ||
| I was like, wow. | ||
| My mom gets my dad's pension. | ||
| He was a cop. | ||
| They get the money every month. | ||
| Turns out my mom spent all the money on drugs. | ||
| They spent it on drugs and my stepdad's attorney because he did a fraud case, right? | ||
| So they said, hey, they said, well, the Navy wanted to give me a scholarship for my last two years and commission me afterwards. | ||
| But they weren't going to backpay what I already owe, the 15 grand, right? | ||
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So they said, either you got to pay this or we got to freeze your credits. | |
| And I couldn't even transfer my credits. | ||
| So then I went into meltdown psycho mode because I mean, I sucked it up all that time and like didn't drink, didn't do drugs, trained, did community service, all this stuff, good grades. | ||
| And I went home, dude, and I beat my stepdad almost to death. | ||
| I almost killed him. | ||
| I beat him bad. | ||
| Like there's blood on the ceiling. | ||
| I smashed him so bad. | ||
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Oh, wow. | |
| And then I got arrested for like mayhem attempt to murder all this stuff because I beat him so bad. | ||
| But I told the cop straight up. | ||
| I said, hey, man, I said, I told him this truth. | ||
| My dad was an LAPD cop. | ||
| I said, he died when I was 13. | ||
| I said, I freaking busted my ass, went to a military college, a citadel. | ||
| I have all A's and B's, biology major. | ||
| These fuckers spent my dad's money on drugs. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| I came home and I asked him why he did it. | ||
| And we got in a fight. | ||
| And I said, I couldn't stop hitting them. | ||
| That's what happened, you know? | ||
| And the cop goes, eh, sounds like self-defense to me. | ||
| Save my ass. | ||
| I would have been fucked. | ||
| Well, you were 17? | ||
| Then I was 20. | ||
| You were 20 at the time? | ||
| I'm sorry. | ||
| When you went to college, you were 17 or 18? | ||
| I was 18 when I went freshman year. | ||
| So were you staying at home during this time or were you in South Carolina at college? | ||
| I'll come back this summers. | ||
| So they were out here? | ||
| Yeah, they were out here in the Scene Valley. | ||
| So you had no idea that they were spending your money. | ||
| You thought they were paying for the tuition? | ||
| Yeah, because the first year what happened was when I was, my dad died, we all got his money every month after that when we were kids. | ||
| When I turned 18, he came in my name. | ||
| So my freshman year, I paid the bills. | ||
| But it's a base. | ||
| It's like a college, but it's a base. | ||
| You can't really, it's hard to handle the bills. | ||
| So I said, hey, mom, I'm going to put it back into your name. | ||
| Just pay it, you know, just send the check every month. | ||
| Oh, boy. | ||
| And yeah, she fucked me over. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| So I got out. | ||
| So I was so pissed, dude. | ||
| I just went berserk mode. | ||
| I beat him up, got in trouble. | ||
| Then that's when I packed my bags. | ||
| I moved to San Diego. | ||
| I went to the Lions then. | ||
| I said, hey, Ken, I said, I want to try out for your guys' team. | ||
| He's like, who are you? | ||
| I heard they had tryouts. | ||
| That was like the Tony Galindo days. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Tony run it? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, Ken was there, Tony, Vernon White, all those guys. | ||
| They said, well, the next tryout is not for three months. | ||
| So I got a job. | ||
| Actually, I got a job at a strip club, pure platinum with a fake ID. | ||
| I was only 20. | ||
| And I had a 21-year-old ID. | ||
| I got a job. | ||
| I was bouncing at a strip club, and I was just going to balleys and running and lifting weights. | ||
| I didn't know really how to train, really. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| And I went and tried out for the team and I made the team. | ||
| And that's how I started fighting, really. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| So you basically, you were an angry dude, but you were keeping it together and trying to do good and trying to stay positive. | ||
| And this one event sent you into this fucking crazy spiral. | ||
| Yeah, because that happened. | ||
| And then actually, when I first got home, I still sucked it up. | ||
| I didn't beat him up yet. | ||
| I got home and I was just like furious and I was like trying to figure out a solution, right? | ||
| And actually, my brother's PO, was he was on probation for weed, my little brother. | ||
| He came to the house and he's like, hey, we're sharing a room because I want to ask you some questions. | ||
| He's like, is this yours? | ||
| Is this his? | ||
| I was like, that's mine. | ||
| That's mine. | ||
| And there was like a plate with a knife on it, like a kitchen plate. | ||
| He said, who's this? | ||
| And I said, I'm a dude. | ||
| Somebody was eating, dude. | ||
| It's not a knife. | ||
| I was like, it's mine. | ||
| I was eating. | ||
| He goes, all right. | ||
| And the cop goes, you kind of have an attitude. | ||
| I said, yeah, man, I do, because I don't really want to talk to you right now. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| In your house? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| What do you guys want? | ||
| I'm not in probation. | ||
| My brother is. | ||
| He goes, you know what? | ||
| I'm going to search you. | ||
| I was like, nah, no, you're not. | ||
| He's like, yeah, I am. | ||
| I was like, they're not searching me, bro. | ||
| And he grabbed me by the wrist and I pulled my wrist back. | ||
| And all four jumped on me. | ||
| They jumped on me, bro. | ||
| And I was like holding my hands together. | ||
| And they couldn't get me down. | ||
| They were pissed. | ||
| I was jacked and I was strong. | ||
| I could wrestle too, you know? | ||
| And they're like, get down, get down, get down. | ||
| And I was like, are you guys fucking serious? | ||
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But the other fucking pussies, and they're like, they're fucking bitch. | |
| So you were just clinching your hands and dropping your way down. | ||
| And they couldn't get me. | ||
| They were fucking freaking out. | ||
| And I was like, it was wood floor and it was slippery. | ||
| That's the takedown defense, man. | ||
| Poor dudes. | ||
| Even if they suck at wrestling, man. | ||
| Because they're counteracting each other. | ||
| They're stupid. | ||
| You know, they're like, you know what I mean? | ||
| They're helping me, really. | ||
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So I finally, funny, I slipped, dude. | |
| And I was like, all right, you can have me. | ||
| You want a fucker? | ||
| They cuffed me and they, and then they beat the fuck out of me, dude. | ||
| Once they cuffed you. | ||
| Oh, they beat the shit. | ||
| My mom was like, what are you guys doing? | ||
| That's Jonathan, not Michael. | ||
| And they knew I wasn't. | ||
| And then, so I still think nothing's going to happen. | ||
| They're going to let me go, right? | ||
| Fuck no. | ||
| They arrested me for assault, two counts of assault on a police officer, resisting arrest. | ||
| Their story was that I came downstairs and said, I'm Michael. | ||
| And the PO knows my brother. | ||
| They lied, right? | ||
| So they scared me. | ||
| They scared me. | ||
| Then the DA goes, oh, we'll just plead guilty either a misdemeanor or resisting your arrest. | ||
| Nothing will happen. | ||
| I said, fine, I'll fuck you. | ||
| Whatever. | ||
| I did it. | ||
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And then I get home, and then I was just like, what the gonna explain? | |
| And the whole time, my dad was a cop. | ||
| I was raised Republican. | ||
| Cops are good. | ||
| Government's good. | ||
| I wanted to be a Navy SEAL. | ||
| I love the country. | ||
| I said, I never believe stories. | ||
| The cops fuck you up. | ||
| I thought my dad said, that's a lie. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| That's a lie. | ||
| The cops are the good guys. | ||
| My whole life was flipped upside down. | ||
| I said, fuck this. | ||
| And I just beat my stepdad's ass. | ||
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That's when I finally beat his ass, dude. | |
| So it was the cops. | ||
| It was dirty cops that forced you to beat your stepdad's ass. | ||
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Yeah, then that right there changed me. | |
| If I knew myself as a kid, I would hate myself. | ||
| I'd be like, Morris is a piece of shit. | ||
| He's anti-American. | ||
| I was so down for the country, down for cops, down for Republicans. | ||
| So if you knew yourself when you were 18 years old, if you knew yourself of today, you would be a war machine hater. | ||
| I would hate me. | ||
| Wow, that's a piece of shit. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Wow. | ||
| So I totally changed my whole thing. | ||
| But isn't that incredible that just a few events like that can, especially when you're a young man, can just steer your life in one way or another. | ||
| Can steer you down a road. | ||
| Like if you had never put that money in your mom's name and you continued paying your bills and you dealt with all your tuition, who knows you would have probably been a fucking war hero or something. | ||
| You'd probably be Brian Stan, you know, one of those characters. | ||
| I'd be super brainwashed if I was. | ||
| Maybe, maybe not. | ||
| I mean, you know, as you get older, you're smart. | ||
| You're not a dumb dude. | ||
| You would start questioning shit. | ||
| My two best friends are SEALs. | ||
| They just got out. | ||
| But they question, you know what I mean? | ||
| Like they're not the same how when they came in, now they're like, it's kind of bullshit. | ||
| I have friends who not only served, but went on and worked for Blackwater, and they question everything. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, they do. | ||
| They do it for the money now. | ||
| Yeah, well, they do it because, look, my buddy who went to Blackwater, he was getting like 30 grand a month. | ||
| Started a gym, bought a Mustang. | ||
| Dude, my boy fucking, he was guarding the oil ships from the pirates. | ||
| So they have four ex-CEOs on the ship, and the pirates come and they blast them, dude. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I've seen videos on the headcam. | ||
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Sick. | |
| Well, the crazy thing about the pirate situation, people don't even know why those poor fucking people. | ||
| Here's another fucked up situation. | ||
| Somalia had never had a history of violence like that. | ||
| They weren't like people that would kidnap. | ||
| They were doing it because they were kidnapping these European captains of these boats that were dumping toxic waste off their shores. | ||
| Was that why? | ||
| They're fishermen. | ||
| The Somalians are fishermen. | ||
| And so all these fish were dying and they're fucking starving. | ||
| And people are getting birth defects, all this pollution in the water. | ||
| The fish are polluted. | ||
| It's like really bad. | ||
| They dump nuclear waste off the coast. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| All kinds of that. | ||
| So the Somalians start kidnapping the captains of these boats and holding them ransom for crimes against the environment. | ||
| So when they did that, they were making millions of dollars. | ||
| So then they were like, fuck fishing. | ||
| Not only were they like, fuck fishing, but they're like, look, there's no fish left. | ||
| I mean, the fish, they dumped untold tons of toxic waste off the shore of Somalia. | ||
| See, I didn't know that. | ||
| That's fucked up. | ||
| Yeah, we don't even know all these things. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| We think these assholes are just pirates. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| I don't know the story. | ||
| My friends don't know the story, I bet. | ||
| My Navy Seal friends. | ||
| I don't know if they had that in that Tom Hanks movie. | ||
| I didn't see that Tom Hanks movie, but that's an important part of why those fucking people are violent. | ||
| It's not like you just fell upon a village of golems and they all have machine guns and they're hopping into boats. | ||
| No, these poor people, they were fishermen for thousands of years. | ||
| And we ruined their fish. | ||
| And like that. | ||
| For thousands of years, these people lived the exact same way, fishing, living off the land, having a good time, getting by, and all of a sudden some asshole has to dunk nuclear waste off their fish. | ||
| I always say technology is the great evil, dude. | ||
| Well, some humans are evil. | ||
| And they use technology. | ||
| I mean, before technology, Genghis Khan was evil as fuck. | ||
| I mean, there was people, I guess, bows are technology. | ||
| They're just technology for back then. | ||
| People are, you know, we have the great propensity for evil and for good. | ||
| But I mean, now I mean, like, as far as like, the world was, I mean, as it was all of history, as far as in the last hundred years with technology, we polluted everything. | ||
| It's fucked. | ||
| That is true. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| So I'm seeing that technology. | ||
| And no, my thing is, is that, because I believe that, like, the missing Lincoln shit, all that shit was really aliens, you know? | ||
| Do you really believe that? | ||
| No, no, I read the best books, dude. | ||
| I read them all too, man. | ||
| You read the 12th Planet series? | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Zechariah Sitchin. | ||
| Fucking good. | ||
| It makes more sense than anything else. | ||
| You got to go to sitchiniswrong.com. | ||
| And then they prove him wrong? | ||
| Well, here's the deal. | ||
| A lot of what he based on is his interpretation of some really bizarre old texts. | ||
| But what's really incredible about the Sumerians was how much they absolutely did know. | ||
| There was many, many first came out of that area as far as we know. | ||
| First wheel, first written language, first agriculture, first mathematics, first written language that we're aware of. | ||
| And they had a God for each thing. | ||
| That's why I was thinking it made sense that, oh, the God for math. | ||
| Because that was the alien that taught him math. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| The God for fucking agriculture. | ||
| Well, that guy showed me how to fucking make a farm. | ||
| It could be. | ||
| It could be. | ||
| We could no way to prove it either way. | ||
| But I figured, like, look at this. | ||
| Look at the earth. | ||
| We're the only thing that doesn't belong here. | ||
| We're the only thing on this earth that doesn't live on the earth. | ||
| We're wearing clothes. | ||
| We're living in buildings. | ||
| Everything else is living on the earth for real. | ||
| We're all like, we're like, we don't belong here. | ||
| We're out of place. | ||
| We're the only thing that's out of place. | ||
| It's kind of like we're half fucking alien, half human. | ||
| We don't belong here. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Well, what's like us is dogs. | ||
| Dogs are like us. | ||
| But they live off the earth. | ||
| Yeah, but you know what I'm saying? | ||
| How they're very like, you know, they could be like me and Shaquille O'Neal are the same species. | ||
| We could both get the same woman pregnant. | ||
| That doesn't make sense. | ||
| You know, it's like a giraffe and a horse being able to get a cow pregnant. | ||
| You know, it doesn't make any sense. | ||
| Like, we don't look anything alike. | ||
| You know, Bridget Demidget and Michael Jordan, they're the same species? | ||
| How the fuck is that possible? | ||
| That's not the same animal. | ||
| Just like dogs. | ||
| Dogs are the only animal that we're aware of that have that kind of variance that can interbreed like that. | ||
| It's a very strange thing because we know that dogs were human manipulated. | ||
| And then the whole argument with people, the reason why there's a quote-unquote missing link, which I guess apparently when you talk to people who really understand biology, there really isn't a missing link. | ||
| It's just a matter of the fossil record being very difficult to get all the pieces. | ||
| See, the fossil record, the issue with the fossils is if you die or I die right here, so like say if there's a gas leak in this building explodes, we're not going to leave a fossil map. | ||
| It has to be stuck in it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It has to be stuck in mud or something like that. | ||
| So it's real hard to make a fossil. | ||
| So there's probably, and not only that, humans are smart. | ||
| So the odds of them getting fossilized are probably less likely than a dumbass buffalo who falls into a pit and all his buddies fall right in after him because they're all fucking stupid. | ||
| And nobody figures out how to get it. | ||
| I just thought the book made such good sense because it's like how they said that Daydance came here and we were like the in-between links, you know, like the monkey-ish kind of guy. | ||
| Like, well, these things are fucking smart, but they're not that smart enough to do what we wouldn't want them to do. | ||
| They're kind of, they're still like animals, you know? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| All let's put some of our genes in them, smarten them up. | ||
| Well, it's possible. | ||
| Who knows? | ||
| It's sexy. | ||
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Yeah, it is. | |
| But you know what? | ||
| Because you know like the Old Testament, all those stories, if you read them in the terms of not God but aliens, that makes way more sense. | ||
| Well, that's what Sitchin said. | ||
| The Nephilim, he said he got in trouble when he was in school because he said that their translations were incorrect. | ||
| He said that the Nephilim, you know, they were calling them giants amongst men. | ||
| He was saying that isn't the actual translation, shouldn't it be those who came down, meaning those who came from above. | ||
| And then the Anunnaki, the literal translation apparently is those from heaven to earth came. | ||
| The idea that they came from somewhere else. | ||
| Look, if we put a fucking robot on Mars in 2014 and we could watch real-time video of it moving around, that's a fact. | ||
| That thing's up there. | ||
| Humans are just one form of intelligence. | ||
| If the universe is filled with intelligence, I guarantee you they're going to want to check out what's on other planets. | ||
| Why wouldn't they? | ||
| Why wouldn't they send things? | ||
| We're trying to go places. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| And we would definitely visit if we could. | ||
| If we could visit Mars, we haven't been able to figure out how to do it yet, but they're trying to figure it out. | ||
| We might be 20 years away from a person going to Mars. | ||
| So if that's the case, why wouldn't someone come from another planet? | ||
| The real problem is nobody agrees with that guy's translations. | ||
| That's one problem. | ||
| And the other problem is that all these people want to believe in it so bad. | ||
| It's so sexy that they don't look at it as a maybe. | ||
| They gravitate towards it and they run with it. | ||
| Like this is the aliens came and they work with our DNA. | ||
| Are you sure, bitch? | ||
| You're not sure? | ||
| You're not fucking sure. | ||
| But it makes more sense than the Bible. | ||
| It definitely makes more sense than the Bible, but it's probably related. | ||
| If I could pick, I'd rather have the Bible be true. | ||
| I want to go to fucking heaven if there's such a thing. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| I'd rather have that true. | ||
| I'd rather have Santa Claus, all the fairy tales true. | ||
| But I just think it makes more sense. | ||
| If there's an option, Bible or aliens, I'm picking aliens. | ||
| I don't think it's an either-or option. | ||
| I mean, first of all, the real problem with the Bible is like that telephone game. | ||
| You know, you tell your friend's story, he tells two. | ||
| By the time it gets back to you, it's fucked. | ||
| The story's fucked. | ||
| And they told the stories of the Bible for over a thousand years before they ever wrote them down. | ||
| The oldest version of the Bible they have is in Aramaic. | ||
| And they found it in these clay pots in a place called Qumran, and it's called the Dead Sea Scrolls. | ||
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| That's the oldest version of the biblical story. | ||
| The Mag Hammadi scrolls, whatever they're called, the other ones? | ||
| Yeah, there's quite a few ancient scrolls. | ||
| Even the Sumerians, though, had almost the same stories, just different names. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's an old story from what? | ||
| From what? | ||
| Who taught us that? | ||
| Well, it could be a bunch of different things, man. | ||
| I mean, you stop and think about the variance in how far cultures have advanced today. | ||
| Like, you could today, you could go to the Amazon and find some marine forest people that had never seen people. | ||
| You'd show them your watch. | ||
| They'd be freaking out. | ||
| You show them a laptop. | ||
| They think you're a fucking wizard. | ||
| I mean, just think about that today. | ||
| But that happened in World War II, right? | ||
| Yes, it did. | ||
| That island there. | ||
| From Chariots of the Gods, Eric von Daniken did a documentary. | ||
| And like they wanted, we gave them candies and shit. | ||
| And they thought we were gods and they built fake airplanes to worship them. | ||
| They want us to come back. | ||
| We never came back. | ||
| We weren't gods. | ||
| But that's what we're doing. | ||
| Exactly, exactly. | ||
| Yeah, that's exactly what it's like. | ||
| I think that if you're a super intelligent race or a super intelligent civilization rather and you run into someone of your own race that just happens to be trapped in the outback of Australia and living off the land, they would have no idea that within a thousand years they've been living like this, which cultures exist in the same static state for a thousand years all the time. | ||
| But look what's happened in this country just 200 fucking years. | ||
| Crazy. | ||
| There's no America 300 years ago. | ||
| It didn't exist. | ||
| There was nothing here. | ||
| There was no buildings. | ||
| There's no roads. | ||
| And in 300 years, you got LA, Chicago, New Orleans, and fucking fucking chaos all over the place. | ||
| That's a blip in time. | ||
| So for these people living in a static state for a thousand years, all of a sudden people come in. | ||
| Then they tell stories about these people. | ||
| Those people were fucking aliens, man. | ||
| They came, they had chariots, horses drove them around. | ||
| Like when the Incans first saw the Spaniards, they thought they were fucking gods. | ||
| People on horses, they thought they were a part of the horse. | ||
| They didn't even know what the fuck was going on. | ||
| They thought it was Quetzal Cuato returning. | ||
| They had no idea what was happening. | ||
| They were freaking out. | ||
| So I think that those stories, when you're dealing with over a thousand years of them telling them back and forth before anybody writes them down, then they write them down, they write them down in Aramaic, they write them down in ancient Hebrew. | ||
| And in ancient Hebrew, they only know like three out of four words today in ancient Hebrew. | ||
| And letters were numbers? | ||
| Like the word God and the word love, they had the same numeric value. | ||
| Like words had, like War Machine would have a specific numeric value that would not just represent your name, but also like what you are. | ||
| And like a person, your lover, your mother would represent, would have a certain number to it. | ||
| And that was like important in like the way a sentence was translating information. | ||
| They lost all that shit when they translated it to Greek and to Latin. | ||
| all that's missing. | ||
| Instead, you get this flat interpretation of this really bizarre ancient language that was a language that was also numbers. | ||
| It was math and a language together. | ||
| It's hard for us to even wrap our heads around it. | ||
| It's just crazy that people fucking really, really believe and kill for it. | ||
| They want to, man. | ||
| They want to believe because if you don't believe, then you have these open-ended questions. | ||
| Everybody likes to be fucking comfortable. | ||
| Everybody wants to retire. | ||
| Everybody wants to win the lottery. | ||
| What they don't understand is the beauty's in the struggle. | ||
| The beauty is in the struggle. | ||
| To really appreciate life, you got to know you're going to die. | ||
| You got to know it could be all over. | ||
| That's how you really appreciate it. | ||
| No, it's true. | ||
| It's just like fighting. | ||
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When I was brand new, you envision, oh, I'm a TJ fighting in Tijuana, right? | |
| And like, when I be in the UFC, it's going to be this way. | ||
| I get to the UFC, and it ain't that way. | ||
| It's a TJ. | ||
| It's the same thing. | ||
| It's the same fight. | ||
| It's just a struggle. | ||
| And then I asked Donald Cruz because I used to live with him. | ||
| He's one of my buddies. | ||
| Oh, now you're the champ. | ||
| He's a champ. | ||
| It's not real for him. | ||
| People that don't know him see him he's the champ. | ||
| But for him, he's still him. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And like, he's fighting for the belt. | ||
| He has the belt, but it's not real. | ||
| It's never, like, the first time I ever saw myself fight in the UFC. | ||
| I fought J-Rock. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I got home and I Googled it, whatever, and I found it. | ||
| And it was like, it didn't seem right. | ||
| Like, I was in there. | ||
| Like, Joe Rogan's interviewed me after the fight. | ||
| You know, it doesn't seem, it seems like I photoshopped it into there. | ||
| Because you're still you. | ||
| In your head, you're still you. | ||
| But now you're seeing you as other people see you. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So you envision something the way it's going to be, and it ain't ever that way. | ||
| Well, isn't that also one of the things that happens when people start attacking you online? | ||
| It's like people, they're attacking like a celebrity. | ||
| They're attacking a Justin Bieber. | ||
| They're attacking whoever the fuck it is that they see that is the object of their attention. | ||
| But that person who they're attacking, you don't even know them. | ||
| Like you don't know any of these people. | ||
| And yet they feel that you're like a free target. | ||
| They want to kill me. | ||
| Dude, people, hey, people say fucked up. | ||
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Like just like last week, someone's like, like, yeah, you suck at CPR. | |
| Like, and the motherfuckers referring to my dad. | ||
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Whoa. | |
| I get that all the time. | ||
| People say, I'm like, dude, you don't, like, I don't get upset too long. | ||
| I almost had to laugh. | ||
| Like, what a fucking dick. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, you don't even know him. | ||
| Why would you say that? | ||
| Like, that's a dick thing. | ||
| You don't know. | ||
| It's the internet, man. | ||
| The problem is that people can say shit on the internet and there's no social. | ||
| No accountability. | ||
| No accountability and you don't feel it. | ||
| Like if you say something mean to somebody, how many, I could tell you, me personally, I've said shit where I might have been just joking around, but I said something mean and then I saw the look on a person's face and I'm like, I'm sorry. | ||
| I was just fucking around. | ||
| I didn't even mean. | ||
| You don't mean it to come off that way sometimes, but you do. | ||
| So when you just get a free ride and you just use, fuck you, war machine, you fucking, you suck at CPR. | ||
| And they send that out there, it's like, it's bad for people. | ||
| It's unhealthy. | ||
| It sucks. | ||
| It creates sociopaths. | ||
| Yeah, you know, and it's like whenever I go out, I've never had one person be mean to me. | ||
| Of course not. | ||
| They're always nice to me. | ||
| And I'm nice to everyone. | ||
| I'm cool, man. | ||
| As long as you have to do something dumb for me to be mad at you know what I mean? | ||
| I'm cool. | ||
| But where are you guys when I'm out? | ||
| You guys want to ever come up to me and say something mean to me when I'm out? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like you want to do it on here? | ||
| Why do you do that? | ||
| You know, I'm glad. | ||
| Well, it's probably different people, but if you met them, it'd probably be the same thing, man. | ||
| I mean, people ask me about that all the time. | ||
| Like, do you ever get hassled? | ||
| People want to fight you. | ||
| Never. | ||
| People are nice to me everywhere. | ||
| Everywhere, everywhere. | ||
| If you run into me, man, I'm going to give you a hug. | ||
| I'm friendly. | ||
| And once they realize that, but you just become an object when you're on a computer screen or on television, when you're fighting. | ||
| You know, like, yeah, he fucking his guard's bullshit. | ||
| He sucks at this. | ||
| They'll come up with some reason. | ||
| That fight that you had with J-Rock, dude, that was an important fight for me for two reasons. | ||
| One, because I realized how much damage you can do from the guard with your elbows. | ||
| Dude, that was a big moment for me because I never saw anybody deliver elbows like he did from the guard. | ||
| I don't even know how he practiced that. | ||
| I mean, I asked him. | ||
| Badass technique. | ||
| He told me that he was like a he had a tire, like a tire in between his legs. | ||
| Like in the guard, he would practice smashing it. | ||
| But I mean, like, dude, to this day, no one's done it like that. | ||
| Not like that. | ||
| He was good at him. | ||
| I was dizzy for, I had a concussion for like a week and a half after that fight. | ||
| I was dizzy. | ||
| I believe you, man. | ||
| I mean, that night, I had this chick. | ||
| Oh, she was so hot, dude. | ||
| Giant booty dude. | ||
| I was like, oh, I'm just going to go smasher. | ||
| She worked at the Palms that night. | ||
| And I took her to home, bro. | ||
| And I was, dude, I was so dizzy trying to fuck her. | ||
| I was going to throw up. | ||
| Dude, I laid down. | ||
| Imagine if he did. | ||
| I lay down. | ||
| Come and throw up at the same time. | ||
| I laid down, bro. | ||
| I was like, hey, you just got to ride me. | ||
| But I couldn't lay flat because the room would spin. | ||
| Did you call her bro? | ||
| That'd be a problem, bro. | ||
| That's how fucking hammered you were. | ||
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But I had to sit upright and have her ride me. | |
| Because if I laid all the way down, the room would spin. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| Yeah, but he jacked me up with those elbows. | ||
| Dude, that was one of the most effective uses of elbows from the guard I've ever seen. | ||
| The only other time I've seen something really crazy from the guard like that is Uriah Hall stopped that dude from his guard on the last issue, the last version of Tough. | ||
| He had the dude in his guard. | ||
| He was on top. | ||
| He got reversed. | ||
| He had the dude. | ||
| I think. | ||
| I forget how he got into his guard. | ||
| But anyway, in his guard, knocks the guy out with punches from the guard. | ||
| I understand that. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| I've never seen that before, but that motherfucker hits hard. | ||
| But that J-Rock fight was also intense because you guys were really good friends. | ||
| You guys had become real close in the house. | ||
| And you were hitting him. | ||
| And then you were saying, I'm sorry. | ||
| I love you. | ||
| I'm sorry. | ||
| I love you. | ||
| Yeah, we were talking. | ||
| Yeah, you were talking during the fight and you were doing it like a couple feet from me. | ||
| And I remember thinking like, whoa, this is some heavy shit. | ||
| And I'm trying to do the commentary. | ||
| I would like to have just been able to just say nothing and just watch it because it was a great fight. | ||
| But it was also like, that was a crazy interpersonal situation. | ||
| It was weird, man. | ||
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And, you know, like after the fight, when you interviewed me, I cried. | |
| It wasn't because I was happy. | ||
| I cried because I was sad because I ruined his dreams. | ||
| Yeah, it was genuine. | ||
| It was very genuine. | ||
| I was like, obviously, I want to win it because at the end of the day, my life has to succeed. | ||
| But I don't want to take away my friend's dreams. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| And that's the hard thing about MMA is that if we were all making Mayweather money, dude, oh, just go, Joe, it's 20 million. | ||
| She gives a fuck. | ||
| But when you know that the person, if they lose, they might not have a job anymore. | ||
| It's different, dude. | ||
| Especially if you like the guy. | ||
| Well, George said it best. | ||
| He said he would never fight a friend. | ||
| He said, because there's things that he does to opponents, he would never do to a friend. | ||
| He said, I just couldn't, I could not do it if I was on top of him. | ||
| I could not deliver elbows to his head, concussive damage. | ||
| Yeah, he was just talking about the viciousness of dropping elbows on someone's head. | ||
| You just wouldn't do that to your friend. | ||
| You wouldn't be able to do that to your friend. | ||
| Yeah, but more than that, because I mean, I spoil my buddies and we beat the shit out of each other. | ||
| But that's a little different, right? | ||
| It's different. | ||
| You're not trying to kill him. | ||
| Like, there's the thing in competition where it's fucking real. | ||
| This is not just competing in the gym. | ||
| This is ready, ready, go. | ||
| Ding, the bell rings, the cameras are on you. | ||
| There's no take backs, there's no redos. | ||
| The hard part would be finishing your friend off once they're hurt. | ||
| Like, say if you're going, you knock him out, that has happened. | ||
| Right. | ||
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But if you rock him and he's like, right, right, right, right, right. | |
| You know, trying to put him out, that'd be like, fuck. | ||
| And you're like, you'd want the ref to stop it. | ||
| It'd be different, you know? | ||
| Like Machita Munoz, perfect example. | ||
| Real good friends. | ||
| Machita head kicks him and moved in to close the show and decided not to. | ||
| Whereas anybody else, he would have hit him with seven punches before that referee got there. | ||
| When he gets into those fucking karate punches, you know, he throws those rapid-fire right hands. | ||
| Yeah, Machita's a closer. | ||
| And, you know, that was a perfect example of the difference between fighting a friend. | ||
| And that was a crazy head kick, too, because he knocked him out through his head. | ||
| He went through his hand. | ||
| Sometimes that hand ain't enough. | ||
| Not enough for a head kick. | ||
| There's some power in a dude like that that gets hit her so fucking hard. | ||
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That's why them Thai guys, they both hands and away from their head. | |
| Yeah. | ||
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Because this, it'll still, the energy transfers through your arm. | |
| Is it hard to make that transition though to the smaller gloves? | ||
| Because the problem with the smaller gloves too is when dudes try to do like that K1 style Dutch thing like this, there's all these openings that don't exist with those big ass gloves. | ||
| This is exactly why since two years ago, I refused to sparrow big gloves. | ||
| I don't ever again. | ||
| I don't do it. | ||
| It's smart. | ||
| And people say, it ain't dangerous, man. | ||
| I'll tell you what. | ||
| Watch the UFC. | ||
| No one gets cut from punches. | ||
| It's mostly elbows, headbutts, acts, knees, whatever. | ||
| I mean, it happens, but it's rare, and they're going all out. | ||
| Punches usually don't get cut that much. | ||
| And in practice, I've never cut no one with little gloves. | ||
| Well, you grease your face up too. | ||
| Yeah, which you can't do in a fight. | ||
| In a fight. | ||
| A lot of grease. | ||
| And they sell the puffy sparring on their gloves. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I'll tell you what, me, we go hard with those. | ||
| And I've never been cut. | ||
| I've never cut anybody. | ||
| But then when I was sparring J. Haran when he fought St. Pierre a long time ago, headgear and big gloves. | ||
| I cut the shit out of him. | ||
| Just a wild punch. | ||
| It happens. | ||
| If it's going to happen, it's going to happen. | ||
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But like you said, the big gloves, you can get used to blocking way differently. | |
| It's a big old thing. | ||
| But you can't block that way. | ||
| So I only spar with little gloves now. | ||
| Yeah, you see that a lot from the real high-level kickboxer guys that go into MMA when they realize how many openings are left where they're so used to. | ||
| If you find like a Nikki Holtzen or one of those type guys that like fights that classic Amsterdam style, they have that hands up high, which is fantastic for kickboxing. | ||
| But when guys like that enter into MMA like Alistair, it's a weird thing because there's all these openings there now. | ||
| And same thing, even with good boxers, they can always punches. | ||
| Do that with a little glove. | ||
| It's not going to happen. | ||
| And what happens is if you're a defense, if you're not comfortable on your defense, then it ruins everything because you start panicking. | ||
| Like, why am I, how's it hitting me? | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Such a difference in the impact as well. | ||
| Even if you do catch a punch, like say if you catch a guy's right hand and you have it in front of your face, with that little glove, there's not much protecting you. | ||
| If that big ass glove, the boxing glove, it's like a big pillow hitting you in the face. | ||
| I mean, obviously, you know, it still fucking hurts and dudes get knocked out, but there's such a difference in those four-ounce to eight-ounce gloves. | ||
| It's an enormous difference. | ||
| And most of them are fighting with 10-ounce gloves. | ||
| Yeah, you know, last two years, man, I don't spar. | ||
| Like, right now at Coutours, I'm at Coutours. | ||
| And they do Tuesday as little gloves, and Thursday is big gloves. | ||
| I don't go to Thursday. | ||
| Really? | ||
| And they say, well, it's good to do both. | ||
| I don't think it's good. | ||
| It is my opinion. | ||
| But I'm stubborn. | ||
| And, you know, that's just the way I don't believe in it. | ||
| Well, it's definitely different. | ||
| And it's interesting to see, I mean, even over the course, what year was your year of the Ultimate Fighter? | ||
| 2007. | ||
| 2007. | ||
| Even from 2007 to today, thinking about how much things have changed. | ||
| There was no wheel kicks back then, no front kicks to the face. | ||
| What was doing that? | ||
| The karate kicks are coming in. | ||
| They were starting to. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| Oh, now they are. | ||
| So like UFC One, people thought karate was disapproved because they got only one thing. | ||
| Then everyone went to like wrestling jiu-jitsu. | ||
| Now karate kicks are coming back. | ||
| They figured if you can box and wrestle in jiu-jitsu and throw a cool karate kick, it can work. | ||
| You got to mix together, a little bit of everything. | ||
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Because even Brony, you don't fucking meathead Brony. | |
| Well, last year he was like, I'm going to start doing karate. | ||
| Like, shut up. | ||
| So I swear, dude, no, I'm serious, dude. | ||
| Vito was doing it. | ||
| And like, you're like, yeah, that's good. | ||
| I think it's good. | ||
| I know, I just want like three of those good kicks. | ||
| And I said, well, I said, it won't hurt, but you know what I mean? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I can't really picture Brony doing that. | ||
| I can do it. | ||
| I can picture him doing it. | ||
| Could you? | ||
| You got badass kicks. | ||
| I was watching some of the videos of you kicking the bag with St. Pierre. | ||
| Yeah, dude. | ||
| When I was a kid, that's all I did was Taekwondo. | ||
| I was a huge Taekwondo fan. | ||
| Taekwondo was all kicks, right? | ||
| All kicks. | ||
| But the problem was, I transitioned into kickboxing when I was 21, and my fucking hands were terrible. | ||
| I was getting lit up in the gym. | ||
| I just couldn't believe it. | ||
| I thought my hands were way better. | ||
| And then I cut out like maybe 60% of all Taekwondo techniques. | ||
| And I concentrated on like a core of fundamental techniques and then started to learn how to box. | ||
| Then I started doing Muay Thai and I realized, oh, then there's leg kicks. | ||
| God damn it. | ||
| Those are the. | ||
| That's the thing is like everyone was so stubborn. | ||
| There's good things in everything. | ||
| The thing about learning the taekwondo, though, is because there's no punches to the face and there's no leg kicks, you get really good at doing shit that's super risky if guys are throwing leg kicks and punching you in the face. | ||
| Whereas you might not really get good at those techniques because you wouldn't put as much time in it. | ||
| You're not going to get to throw them, yeah. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| So you get real good at them. | ||
| And then when you learn those other things, you already have that crazy dexterity. | ||
| You know, my boy has badass kicks. | ||
| You know, Ed Ratcliffe? | ||
| Mm-hmm. | ||
| The black kid 9mm? | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| He has nasty kicks. | ||
| Yeah, he's got nasty kicks. | ||
| Actually, his mom taught him how to katarate. | ||
| Pettis, both of the brothers. | ||
| The Pettis brothers, they have nasty taekwondo. | ||
| They started out in Taekwondo. | ||
| And then they learned from Duke Rufus, all the other fundamentals of kickboxing and MMA. | ||
| I think that's a good combination. | ||
| It's a good way to do it because otherwise, it's hard to learn those kicks. | ||
| It's hard, unless you're Vitor. | ||
| How the fuck? | ||
| That guy like downloaded a black belt to his brain. | ||
| That's what Joe Silva said. | ||
| Yeah, but that's like he's a freak of nature. | ||
| But that's like that's like a Saint Pierre. | ||
| And chemicals. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| St. Pierre. | ||
| His first fight, if you watch it, it's like in Canada in the ring. | ||
| He can't wrestle with shit. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Nothing. | ||
| Now he's out wrestling like Koschek. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| No one can do that. | ||
| But wasn't it fascinating, though, when you saw him lock up with Johnny Hendrix? | ||
| He couldn't take Hendrix down. | ||
| Oh, that was dope. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| I mean, that's the difference between, you know, you catch a guy, especially not in a transition, not in between punches, but actually just trying to take him down. | ||
| Like, good luck. | ||
| Hendrix hopping around on one leg, punching him in the face. | ||
| Nothing. | ||
| And George couldn't take him down, which is crazy when you think about how good George's wrestling is in a lot of his other fights. | ||
| Yeah, that was a... | ||
| I thought he won the fight. | ||
| No, he won the fight. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| No, he won the fight. | ||
| I think so, too. | ||
| He got robbed. | ||
| I think almost everybody that I've talked to that watched that fight, except extreme GSP fans. | ||
| I wanted Sam Pierre to win. | ||
| Did you really? | ||
| Yeah, I like it. | ||
| You know what? | ||
| I didn't want him to fight Johnny Hendricks. | ||
| In my opinion, Koschek beat Hendrix. | ||
| That was a bad decision. | ||
| I think Kosche won that fight. | ||
| And I was rooting for Hendrix because I didn't like Koschek. | ||
| It was a very close fight, that's for sure. | ||
| I thought that if I was St. Pierre, man, I would say, fuck that. | ||
| I would fight Anderson and retire. | ||
| I think he could beat Anderson. | ||
| Anderson can't wrestle. | ||
| He's had headaches for the last couple of years. | ||
| George. | ||
| Oh, really? | ||
| Yeah, Freddie Roach was just talking about it. | ||
| George has had some migraines. | ||
| He's been talking to him about it. | ||
| Over the last two years, he's been suffering from migraines. | ||
| But that was the personal problems he was talking about? | ||
| Well, that was one of them. | ||
| I think there was some other stuff that he doesn't want to talk about, but the physical problems are legit. | ||
| He was on the podcast, man. | ||
| He was talking to me about aliens. | ||
| And he was talking about, like, I was pushing him. | ||
| I was like, you believe in aliens? | ||
| You believe. | ||
| Like, apparently, when they filmed the Countdown show with him, primetime show, there was a whole segment that they filmed where he was talking about, like, worrying, like, has nightmares about being abducted by aliens. | ||
| And then he has it, like, in his mind what he would do if aliens came. | ||
| And Anthony Gierdonal told me about this. | ||
| I go, why didn't they put that in the show? | ||
| Like, the UFC didn't want to have that in. | ||
| And I was like, that's crazy. | ||
| So I asked him about it on the podcast. | ||
| And one of the things that he was talking about, though, was about missing time. | ||
| Sometime I'm in my car. | ||
| And then all of a sudden I'm at the gym and I don't know how I got there. | ||
| I'm like, okay, dude. | ||
| Like that is not aliens. | ||
| That is not. | ||
| That's called, we can hit the head too much. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And it's a fact because, you know, I'm not that, I don't think I'm punch drunk, but I lose my car all the time now. | ||
| Ever since the J-Rod fight, actually, I lose my car. | ||
| Like, if I go to the mall, my car's gone. | ||
| Like, I literally, dude, I have to fucking. | ||
| You should get a flag and put it on your roof. | ||
| I put a little note in my phone, like, level four. | ||
| Like, I had to put a note. | ||
| I'll lose my car if I park. | ||
| Like, memento for parking. | ||
| Yeah, you know what I do. | ||
| But, like, Brony's worst to me, though. | ||
| He forgets things. | ||
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He'll ask me the same question like five times in a day. | |
| No, but this is just... | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| That's why I get pissed off when the football players are suing the NFL. | ||
| Motherfucker, you guys made millions. | ||
| It's a violent sport. | ||
| You knew you're going to have a head injury. | ||
| You got paid what you were due. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| And we don't get paid. | ||
| I don't think what we're due. | ||
| And we're getting the same injuries, but nothing's going to happen to us. | ||
| We're going to be like the wrestler. | ||
| The wrestler movie is going to happen to 80% of fighters. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| I'm hoping that they're going to figure out some sort of a medical solution. | ||
| I feel like if you look at the advancements in science and medicine and what they've been able to figure out about how to fix all sorts of injuries, that fixing traumatic brain injury is probably next. | ||
| And I know that this thing called the Intrepid Center for Excellence, that they work with soldiers coming back from the war that have brain injuries. | ||
| It's a big issue. | ||
| And they've made some big improvements in helping people. | ||
| But I'm with you. | ||
| I would way rather see a fighter retire too soon than too late. | ||
| And it bums me out when I see a guy that's been in it too long. | ||
| And I see them struggling. | ||
| And you know, the worst part is if they're doing it just because they need money. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Like, you know, some guys, like, they need to retire, but they just don't have, they need money. | ||
| Yeah, and they take fights, they shouldn't take. | ||
| Yeah, they shouldn't take fights. | ||
| Whatever. | ||
| When they're not prepared against a dangerous guy, too. | ||
| And they get more damage, you know? | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Well, that's a real issue. | ||
| You know, oh, nobody wants to fight this guy. | ||
| Well, why do you think nobody wants to fight this guy? | ||
| Because they're not the same level as him. | ||
| And because if they do fight him, they're going to get knocked the fuck out. | ||
| Don't say they're scared. | ||
| Then they're going to get fired. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And that's not like, you can't say that a guy's scared because nobody, everyone entering into the UFC is not a perfect finished product. | ||
| They're just not. | ||
| It's a development cycle that goes through the entirety of your career. | ||
| And one of the things about boxing is they know where their fighter is at and they try to match them up well before they give them a title shot. | ||
| If you look at boxing, you'll see a lot of guys challenging for the title. | ||
| They only have like maybe one loss, two losses in their entire career. | ||
| And a lot of them happen early because they get a manager and they slowly build them up and then they start testing them and they do test them, but they test them once they develop some serious world-class skills. | ||
| In boxing, you fight nothing but chumps pretty much. | ||
| You get a lot of work, easy, easy, easy guys. | ||
| Step up a little bit, say all you did. | ||
| If you didn't, you do get pull them back the next time, make it easier. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| They have so many fights. | ||
| That's how the guys get like 30 and 0. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Because they didn't fight no one 30 and 0. | ||
| And they realize also that that's the way to make the money. | ||
| The way to make the money is to build up a Manny Pacquiao, to build up a Ricky Hatton, to build up a Floyd Mayweather. | ||
| You got to have a lot of fight. | ||
| Like Floyd May there, Mayweather's the only one who's been able to go through the fire over and over and over again and come out undefeated. | ||
| I mean, he's a special athlete. | ||
| And the thing, like, I don't want to knock on the UFC because that's your boss or whatever, or you work for them, but like, UFC doesn't want to market fighters. | ||
| They want to market the UFC. | ||
| Well, it's smart if you were a business. | ||
| If you were a business, it's smart. | ||
| But they do market fighters as well. | ||
| Look, Ronda Rousey, I know how much Ronda Rousey's making. | ||
| She's making incredible money. | ||
| If you're a pay-per-view draw, if you're a George St. Pierre, if you're someone that's making a ton of money, you make money based on how many pay-per-views you sell. | ||
| So they're making shitloads of money. | ||
| So there's what people read online as far as how much the UFC pays. | ||
| It's like these are the disclosed revenue, the disclosed incomes. | ||
| But that's not what they get paid. | ||
| There's a bunch of other shit involved as well. | ||
| There's bonuses, and then on top of the bonuses, there's what they get for each pay-per-view sale. | ||
| So they don't disclose, and a lot of it's because a lot of fighters don't want people to disclose. | ||
| But if you're a guy who's starting out and you want to eventually work your way up to get to championship status, like it's a fucking minefield. | ||
| Like, look at Brock Lesnar's a perfect example. | ||
| I was talking to Dana about this last night. | ||
| Has there ever been a guy where his fucking second fight in, he's fighting a former UFC heavyweight champion in his guy, Mir, who Mir was in his prime. | ||
| I mean, Mir was, you know, I mean, as good as he's ever been when Brock fought him. | ||
| His problem was that he was too famous. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He had to be thrown in there. | ||
| And you know what? | ||
| Kimbo Slice, I think, had the same kind of problem. | ||
| Kimbo Slice, everyone says, he sucks. | ||
| He's only been training a couple years, dude. | ||
| But he doesn't suck. | ||
| He's inexperienced. | ||
| He has potential, but he was too famous too fast, and he had to fight two good guys too fast, and he got washed out. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| It was like his own marketing, you know, guerrilla marketing on the internet stuff worked for him and against him. | ||
| Did you ever see the Sean Gannon fight? | ||
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The old, old, old one? | |
| Old, old, old one when they fought in Karate Dojo. | ||
| That was way back in the day before. | ||
| That is one of the great. | ||
| Pull that shit up. | ||
| Sean Gannon versus Kimbo Slice. | ||
| That is one of the greatest displays of heart ever. | ||
| For folks who don't know, Kimbo Slice became famous on the internet for all these crazy knockouts and these backyard fights. | ||
| He'd fight dudes bare knuckle boxing, backyard fights, beat the shit out of them, make all this money. | ||
| And he was this cool looking cat with his big beard. | ||
| Giant, tub, big ass, huge knuckles. | ||
| A really nice guy. | ||
| Super nice. | ||
| Super nice guy. | ||
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You look at his image, you think one thing, and you meet him, he's like... | |
| He's just ready to throw down. | ||
| He's just ready to throw down. | ||
| So he became famous, and there's a cop from Boston named Sean Gannon. | ||
| This motherfucker has a head like a fire hydrant. | ||
| And this is when they were in the middle of it. | ||
| This is like everybody broke it up. | ||
| They got on. | ||
| There was a lot of money. | ||
| No wrestling, no wrestling. | ||
| Yeah, they said it had to be a stand-up fight. | ||
| Well, he got him in a standing guillotine, and he's putting him to sleep, and all these people are jumping in and saying, no wrestling, no wrestling. | ||
| They're literally prying the two of them apart. | ||
| And Kimbo, if you tune it to the beginning, Kimbo was tuning him up in the beginning of the fight. | ||
| But that guillotine, man, if a guy's good and he gets you at a guillotine, you're fucked. | ||
| Because he held on to that guillotine for about 30 or 40 seconds. | ||
| Yeah, Kimbo's tired as fuck then. | ||
| Yeah, no one's saying anything when Kimbo shot for a single. | ||
| But that was because Sean was battering him by this point. | ||
| Yeah, it was his cardio. | ||
| He couldn't hang with the cardio, Kimbo. | ||
| Yeah, Kimbo shot on him, which is crazy. | ||
| And then, you know, you see him there, everybody's freaking out. | ||
| He couldn't hang with the cardio, and he also couldn't. | ||
| Gannon's just an animal. | ||
| That motherfucker could take punishment. | ||
| That was a tough gym. | ||
| That was a tough fight, though. | ||
| I remember watching that back in the day. | ||
| Well, Gannon started posting on the underground from the hospital after this fight. | ||
| Oh, really? | ||
| Damn, man. | ||
| I watched this shit live on the internet. | ||
| It was like a pay-per-view stream. | ||
| I heard he lost his job because of that. | ||
| Yeah, he did. | ||
| Something happened. | ||
| He got demoted or he got in trouble, something, but he was a cop. | ||
| That is the last motherfucker you want arresting you. | ||
| He's just so tough, man. | ||
| Because Kimbo Slice hit him with some bombs. | ||
| His face was completely swollen and bloody by the end of the fight. | ||
| But that dude had just no give up in him. | ||
| And plus, he had been used to MMA. | ||
| You know, he had been used to fighting with better gloves. | ||
| Not only that, pacing himself. | ||
| Kimbo's just fighting dudes and smashing them, you know? | ||
| He just jumped out of the gate on him. | ||
| Kimbo obviously had some good punching skills, but as far as his defense and as far as his ability to pace himself, he was really way outclassed. | ||
| And Gannon started tuning him up with body shots. | ||
| And slowly but surely, he starts beating him down. | ||
| And by the end, it's absolutely brutal because they're giving him these crazy counts, too. | ||
| They gave him like a 30 count or some shit like that. | ||
| And when the guy goes down, you don't follow him like an MMA. | ||
| You got to let him get back up. | ||
| But, I mean, he could have died easily. | ||
| Kimbo is absolutely exhausted and he's getting just force-fed knuckle sandwiches. | ||
| But this was a perfect indication that although he became famous on the internet, like he had a lot of growth to be fighting guys in the UFC. | ||
| Guys like Brandon Lee Hinkle, like national class wrestlers. | ||
| You're not getting up off your back, son. | ||
| That guy gets you down. | ||
| You're eating elbows. | ||
| Yeah, you're not getting up. | ||
| It's a terrible type of matchup. | ||
| And so Gannon went in there against those guys, too. | ||
| He fought Brandon Lee Hinkel in the Octagon. | ||
| And Kimbo fought, you know, he fought quite a few guys. | ||
| He actually did well. | ||
| He got better. | ||
| He got better. | ||
| We just still, these guys have so many years on him. | ||
| He had some bad knees, too. | ||
| Kimbo had some serious arthritis in his knees. | ||
| You know what's crazy, little man? | ||
| People never died on the wars. | ||
| Like, I remember I was backstage. | ||
| Did you ever go to Draka? | ||
| Yeah, I went to Draca. | ||
| We had the Olympic Auditorium. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I was like in high school. | ||
| But I'll go there and Kung Lee would fight. | ||
| I was at one one time and a guy from France fought. | ||
| And like an hour later, they said, oh, he died. | ||
| Whoa. | ||
| And it was like, what the fuck? | ||
| Nothing happened. | ||
| It was like, you know what I mean? | ||
| It wasn't like that where you think, oh, someone dies, you wouldn't be surprised. | ||
| Nothing happened. | ||
| It's always those kind of weird fights. | ||
| People just die. | ||
| They just die. | ||
| But the war is like, they're fine, you know? | ||
| Well, they say that most of the people who die cut weight. | ||
| They say that, yeah, most of the serious issues of brain death and real serious brain damage from a fight happens in the weight classes below heavyweight. | ||
| But there was a recent fight on HBO where a guy wound up in the hospital with swelling on the blade, some Russian dude. | ||
| It was a ferocious beating. | ||
| And it was a heavyweight fight. | ||
| It was a heavyweight fight. | ||
| This Cuban Olympian, and he just beat the fucking shit out of this Russian dude. | ||
| And the Russian dude was just unbelievably tough, just kept coming. | ||
| And his face was like swollen out to here by the end of the fight. | ||
| And apparently he had some like serious brain swelling after the fight. | ||
| And his career is done. | ||
| Yeah, this is Sean Gannon after that. | ||
| I thought that was crazy. | ||
| Oh, God, that's nuts. | ||
| That face is nuts. | ||
| And that's the winner. | ||
| Dude, that's how Shamac looked like after he fought Tito the first time. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I was there, Josh. | ||
| I was feeding him ice cream in the hotel room. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Because I drove with him and he was fucking... | |
| He got beat up. | ||
| He fought that fight with a torn ACL too, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, fighting a guy like Tito with a torn ACL. | ||
| And Tito was Tito back then, too. | ||
| That was when Tito was on fire, yeah. | ||
| Dude, Tito had, in my opinion, still to this day, has some of the best ground and pound from inside a guard because he didn't even bother passing the guard. | ||
| You weren't going to control his posture. | ||
| He wasn't going to let you. | ||
| And he was just dropping elbows on you, smashing you from the top. | ||
| Yeah, he battered Kenneth. | ||
| He had, like, a lot of people could learn. | ||
| Like, there was a lot of people that thought they had good guards, and they'd fight Tito, and you get stuck in between. | ||
| You know, he was smashing guys from their guard. | ||
| The guard didn't mean shit to Tito. | ||
| He never even got close to getting caught. | ||
| Not in the guard. | ||
| I don't remember him getting caught ever. | ||
| He doesn't get enough credit, that guy. | ||
| A lot of it is because of things he says. | ||
| A lot of it is little fuck-ups here and there that he's done. | ||
| But as a fighter, just because he couldn't beat Chuck, Tito is still a great fighter. | ||
| Tito, he doesn't get nearly enough credit. | ||
| Especially, I think he has some of the best ground and pound ever. | ||
| Everyone, once you lose, and you suck. | ||
| He sucks. | ||
| He sucks. | ||
| It's just easy. | ||
| It's easy to shit on him. | ||
| You know, that's the thing, that's like sports shit, too. | ||
| Sports radio, they love to shit on players. | ||
| The guy drops the ball. | ||
| He's a fucking bum. | ||
| They love to do that. | ||
| They stand it. | ||
| They try to apply that shit to fighting. | ||
| And then you're dealing with a way more personal subject, you know? | ||
| The guy's a pussy. | ||
| He's scared of Junior Dos Santos. | ||
| Let's just say it. | ||
| Let's come out and say it. | ||
| Why are you talking like that? | ||
| What are you saying? | ||
| How about you get in there, stupid? | ||
| Yeah, no. | ||
| You wouldn't be scared for Junior Dos Santos to punch you in the face? | ||
| You'd have to be crazy to not be scared. | ||
| Dude, I can't even... | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Like, they're fucking... | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Do you find that drunk, especially drunk white guys, try to talk extra tough if they're watching MMA around you? | ||
| Oh, yeah, dude. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| It's like drunk guys, sober people don't come with you as much. | ||
| Drunk, they'll come with you right away. | ||
| But it's always, they want to tell stories of fights and fights. | ||
| No, I do not want to talk about fighting. | ||
| I do not give a fuck about fighting. | ||
| I guess they feel like that's all you could relate to. | ||
| Yeah, it's like, dude, I fucking train all day. | ||
| I don't care about fighting. | ||
| I don't want to watch a fight. | ||
| I don't want to talk about fighting. | ||
| Like, this is talking about that girl's ass. | ||
| I have a friend. | ||
| I have a friend, and her boyfriend doesn't know anything about martial arts. | ||
| He's never trained a day in his life. | ||
| And he likes to watch fights. | ||
| But when he watches fights, he starts getting all aggressive and saying crazy shit. | ||
| And she gets mad. | ||
| She's like, this guy's a fucking pussy. | ||
| I'd kick this fucking guy's ass. | ||
| This guy's a pussy. | ||
| And she's like, will you shut the fuck up? | ||
| You ain't kicking nobody's ass. | ||
| Like, why are you saying that? | ||
| Do you know how annoying that is? | ||
| Dude, it's the worst. | ||
| I can beat this fucking guy. | ||
| He's got sucks. | ||
| Why are you saying that? | ||
| He doesn't suck, man. | ||
| The perspective. | ||
| Why doesn't he get up? | ||
| The fucker's holding him down. | ||
| Like, you don't think he wants to get up? | ||
| He's just laying there for fucking. | ||
| He wants to get up. | ||
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He can't. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| Fuck, man. | ||
| Why does he just knock him out? | ||
| He's trying to knock him out. | ||
| What do you mean, why does he knock him out? | ||
| It's so frustrating hearing people critique fights when they have no idea what they're talking about. | ||
| Nobody's ever hit them. | ||
| You know, like, that was a nothing punch. | ||
| Like, what are you talking about? | ||
| Look at the punch he knocked. | ||
| Like, someone's telling me about the Chris Wideman. | ||
| Dude, Chris Wideman and Anderson Silva looked like a fixed fight to me, bro. | ||
| That was a nothing punch. | ||
| He caught him perfectly on the end of the chin. | ||
| Like, has anybody ever hit you on the end of your chin? | ||
| Let me tell you what happens. | ||
| Your legs just go wee-wee. | ||
| They just give it out. | ||
| You know, knockouts are weird. | ||
| Like, you remember when Lawler fought Lawler and Diaz? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| They were slugging it out, and the one that knocked him out was a weak, I mean, like a little tip. | ||
| It was a weird right hook. | ||
| Yeah, it was like a softer one. | ||
| It looks like nothing, but it knocked him out. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I've been hit hard as hell by heavyweights in the gym, fine. | ||
| And I've been dropped by little guys. | ||
| Because if it hits you in the right spot, you're just done. | ||
| Yeah, it's weird sometimes where a punch doesn't look like it should knock you out. | ||
| Like, remember when Henzo Gracie fought Dan Henderson? | ||
| Henzo is trying to shoot in on Dan to try to take him to the ground. | ||
| And Dan uppercut him. | ||
| He hits him. | ||
| He has like an uppercut, almost like his wrist. | ||
| And Henzo went out. | ||
| And like Sokaju versus Lil Nog, same shit. | ||
| He hit him with a punch, but he didn't even land the punch. | ||
| He hit him with his wrist and he knocked him out. | ||
| You know, that's why like people like, I use the term lucky punch. | ||
| I don't care how I use it. | ||
| People say, there's no lucky because he threw it. | ||
| Yeah, guess what, though? | ||
| He threw 65 hard ones that didn't do shit. | ||
| And the soft one knocked him out. | ||
| It's a lucky punch. | ||
| You know, I've seen guys where, like, I'm beating you up the whole fight. | ||
| It's the last minute left. | ||
| And you close your eyes and the overhand right knocked me out. | ||
| It's a lucky punch. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Like, such things. | ||
| Sort of. | ||
| But then again, okay, here's a perfect example. | ||
| Like Marcus Davis and Jeremy Stevens. | ||
| Marcus Davis was outboxing Jeremy Stevens. | ||
| But Jeremy Stevens landed a few good shots, but not enough to put him away. | ||
| And then finally in the third round, hit him with just his Haymaker from Jupiter and landed right on his chin. | ||
| And Marcus was stretched. | ||
| He was out cold. | ||
| But I mean, he hit him with all these punches before. | ||
| It didn't do it. | ||
| But he was looking for that perfect punch. | ||
| So that's not a lucky punch. | ||
| But you know, but sometimes there are there. | ||
| There's a few. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And it's like, fuck, like, weird shit happens. | ||
| When Matt Hughes fought Matt Sarah, they collided heads. | ||
| And Matt Hughes went down. | ||
| He thought he got punched. | ||
| But it was like a headbutt that dropped. | ||
| And he went to the corner. | ||
| He's like, what hit me? | ||
| Did I get dropped? | ||
| And they thought he got hit by a punch. | ||
| But we watched it in the replay. | ||
| You could see they collide heads and he gets dropped from that. | ||
| Yeah, you know, there's a, and that's why I think stand-up's a little more shaky because there's more luck in stand-up than there is in the wrestling and jitsu. | ||
| There's also more, what's important is like things that you're physically born with, like reach and athleticism and fast twitch muscle fibers. | ||
| They come into play way more with stand-up. | ||
| Whereas a guy can get real good. | ||
| If you teach a guy the fundamentals of striking and he's a long, tall guy, you know, he could get real good, real effective real quick, as opposed to a short, fat, white guy who's got short-ass arms. | ||
| you're fucked, man. | ||
| Like, the physical... | ||
| He could just run around that dude, tie him up in a knot, and do whatever he wants to him. | ||
| So you can get like a black belt in striking. | ||
| Yeah, you don't have to be as athletic. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| But that's a weird thing, too. | ||
| Like with me and Bruin were talking about it. | ||
| At the end of the day, everything's genetics. | ||
| Like we know right away, the racehorse is bloodline. | ||
| The fighting dog is bloodline. | ||
| The fighting rooster is bloodline. | ||
| It's all bloodline. | ||
| Those are the best animals. | ||
| We're a fucking animal. | ||
| So like it comes a lot. | ||
| Like some guys are freaks. | ||
| Why are they freaks? | ||
| Because they have genetically, they're magic. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| So it's like BJ Penn. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| George Foreman. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| These guys are just fucking freaks. | ||
| So you know, you want to get so good, dude. | ||
| It's like, it's like, to me, like Jeremy Horn is an example of someone that's a great fighter, really technical. | ||
| He went as far as he could go off skill and effort, but he never had the athleticism. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Where if you put that skill into St. Pierre or GJ Pen, they would have killed everyone. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Genetics is a lot. | ||
| That's why the perfect storm is a guy like GSP who has the genetics and works like a motherfucker and is smart. | ||
| And Most guys that have the genetics are lazy like BJ. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Well, it's interesting seeing BJ come back now because BJ's going to fight at 145 and he's already down to like 155. | ||
| He's already in the 50s. | ||
| I've seen pictures of him. | ||
| He's skinny as shit. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| It's just, I don't know like those last few fights, like the Nick Diaz fight and the Rory McDonald fight, like what kind of a beating you took in those fights. | ||
| Those fights were like first round effort and then shut down. | ||
| And then it was like he was trying to win, but he was basically on survival mode for rounds two and three. | ||
| There were two fights he should have never taken. | ||
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| Against 170s. | ||
| I mean, but the fact that he's now at 145 is just so crazy that he just is so extreme. | ||
| Goes from, I'm not going to cut weight, I'm just going to fight anybody at 170, and then I'm fighting at 145. | ||
| Like, that's a giant difference. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But he's one guy that I think maybe should be lighter. | ||
| Other guys cut weight, and it's like, dude, it's not the answer. | ||
| Like, anyways, like, why don't you go to 55s? | ||
| Because I don't think I'm going to do better at 55s. | ||
| We're now at 187, and I'm fucking lean. | ||
| 55s, could I make it? | ||
| Yeah, I could. | ||
| But am I going to be better there? | ||
| I don't think so. | ||
| I don't think it's always the cure. | ||
| Alessio leaves you really weak. | ||
| I was just talking to John Alessio. | ||
| We sparred yesterday. | ||
| And I said, man, are you going to stay at 55s? | ||
| He's like, fuck, I don't know, man. | ||
| He said that at 170, he was always small. | ||
| Alessio in shape was like 175, perfectly in shape. | ||
| But he was like, I'm small. | ||
| I went to 55s. | ||
| He said, at 70, no one ever muscled me around. | ||
| At 55s, I feel like I'm getting manahandled. | ||
| Just because he's weak from the power. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, you know, so it isn't always the cure. | ||
| Everybody wants to go lower and lower and lower and lower and lower. | ||
| But I don't think it's... | ||
| Kane's 240 with a little fat on him, and he beats the fuck out of everybody. | ||
| The best heavyweights are small. | ||
| Look at Fedora was small. | ||
| Kane's small. | ||
| Randy was tiny. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| And they're fighting giants. | ||
| So if I'm fighting a 170 and a guy's 10, 12 pounds heavier than me, it ain't the heavyweights. | ||
| They're 30 pounds heavier. | ||
| They're fine, you know? | ||
| Well, the thing about those really big heavyweights is they can't keep the pace. | ||
| They just can't keep that kind of a pace. | ||
| You saw with Shane Carwin, saw it with Brock Lesnar, see with Alistair. | ||
| They can't keep that pace. | ||
| There's too much muscle to feed. | ||
| You can't keep that Cain Velasquez pace. | ||
| People think our hearts and lungs are kind of all the same size. | ||
| Your body might be bigger, but we have the same size heart and lung. | ||
| We got to feed that muscle, you know? | ||
| That's a weird thing that people don't really understand. | ||
| They see a guy, they go, well, you know, he's just got to get in better shape. | ||
| You know, he got a fucking 500 horsepower engine. | ||
| He's got three gallons of gas. | ||
| That's just what you got. | ||
| Your heart and lungs or your uniform, you know? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Don't matter how big you are. | ||
| It's like a ween, dude. | ||
| A giant guy doesn't have a huge dick, guaranteed. | ||
| It's true. | ||
| It doesn't go. | ||
| But it would be giant in comparison, most likely. | ||
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| Like Shaquille O'Neal. | ||
| Someone told me he had a little dick. | ||
| I told him to shut the fuck up. | ||
| First of all, you got to show me a picture. | ||
| You can't just talk shit like that. | ||
| And second of all, little dick compared to what? | ||
| But see, like, so imagine if Shaquille O'Neal is so humongous, like, say he had an eight-inch dick, big dick. | ||
| It's going to be like tiny on Shaquille O'Neal. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Like, he has to have like a 15-inch dick to make it look normal. | ||
| It's true. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| It's true. | ||
| But, you know, lungs, hearts, and dicks, it doesn't matter how big you are. | ||
| Well, big guys have bigger lungs, don't they? | ||
| I mean, you must. | ||
| You must have a larger heart, too. | ||
| I don't think it's that much bigger. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| A guy like Shaquille O'Neal, I mean, Tony Hinchlick. | ||
| They say it's the size of bigger lungs. | ||
| They say it's the size of your fist, right? | ||
| Right. | ||
| Well, your fist can't be that much bigger. | ||
| Maybe it's a little bigger. | ||
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But 50, 60 pounds heavier. | |
| Well, that sucks for people with little hands and they got little ass hearts. | ||
| Because you know how some dudes, you see their fists and you're like, wow, this is crazy. | ||
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I don't poke it. | |
| That's always what I hear. | ||
| I don't know if it's true, but it can't. | ||
| I think they're about the same size as the hearts. | ||
| Well, either way, there's not that much of a variation, and the amount of variation in muscle mass that people put on is pretty huge. | ||
| Yeah, like if I'm 175, my cardio is getting better. | ||
| Then if I'm fucking 235, I'll be able to like... | ||
| There's a few guys that like break those rules. | ||
| Even Monson. | ||
| Even Monson has good cardio. | ||
| Yeah, not bad. | ||
| Monson's been in the game so long, he can relax. | ||
| And that's a big part of fighting is just being able to relax. | ||
| Yeah, it's brain. | ||
| Brain's most of your cardio. | ||
| Keeping your mind. | ||
| Like, for example, my Navy Seal friend, right? | ||
| He has the obstacle course record at Buds. | ||
| He can do any snowshoe marathons. | ||
| He can do crazy all kinds of circuits, beat everybody, right? | ||
| But if spar him one five-minute round, he's going to die. | ||
| Yeah, isn't it funny? | ||
| Yeah, I'm like, dude, but he could wrestle. | ||
| He could wrestle all day. | ||
| But as soon as there's punching involved, five minutes. | ||
| It tightens up. | ||
| He's dead. | ||
| Dude, you can run a snowshoe marathon. | ||
| You can't fucking spar. | ||
| You're dead. | ||
| Brain is everything. | ||
| Well, Nick Diaz had the best style for that, getting guys exhausted because he wouldn't let them breathe. | ||
| And that's what people don't understand. | ||
| When someone's punching you, even if it's little punches, you can't relax. | ||
| You need to relax. | ||
| So you're holding your breath all the time he's hitting you. | ||
| Within 30 seconds of that, you're fucking exhausted. | ||
| And all those little 50% punches start adding up. | ||
| Dude, Nick Diaz is a nightmare. | ||
| Yeah, Nick is one of the biggest nightmares ever. | ||
| He's probably the last person I want to fight. | ||
| If I said, you want to fight St. Pierre, Diaz, St. Pierre all day. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah, Diaz is just, from my style, at least it's a nightmare. | ||
| I don't know, man. | ||
| I don't like to go backwards. | ||
| I like to go forward. | ||
| And with him, he goes forward too much and he's too good at it. | ||
| He's a nightmare to me. | ||
| He revolutionized, in my opinion, that style of striking. | ||
| You never saw that before. | ||
| Guys are throwing 50% punches and just staying on you and just hitting you with volume. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| It's crazy. | ||
| That was the style that didn't exist before. | ||
| It looks like dumb. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It looks weird. | ||
| But it kicks ass. | ||
| When you saw guys melt, like Frank Shamrock. | ||
| Frank Shamrock melted. | ||
| He just melted under that barrage and he's talking shit and Frank can't breathe and he's punched him in the face. | ||
| What bitch? | ||
| What bitch? | ||
| Eat that bitch. | ||
| And he's knuckle sandwiching him, kicking his ass. | ||
| And then Frank can't believe that he's getting his ass kicked and he's getting talked shit to like this on TV. | ||
| And he realizes, I'm not going to beat this fucking guy. | ||
| And he can't breathe. | ||
| Because he's not getting any breath because Nick's hitting him with 30, 40 fucking punches a minute. | ||
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Just he has a difficult style to deal with. | |
| Yeah, he's throwing 150 punches, hitting you with 30. | ||
| The only thing with Nick is like, like CM Perry beat him easier because Nick's weakness is wrestling. | ||
| As long as you can stato his missions, you'd be fine if you can wrestle him down, you know? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| but on the feet, man, nightmare. | ||
| Nasty body shots, too. | ||
| I was going to say, it's like 30 of his punches are going to be hard punches to the body. | ||
| And he throws those vicious hooks to the body and lulls you to sleep with a few pity pats and then boom, boom, the hooks to the body. | ||
| The Paul Daly fight's another perfect example of that. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| And he could, that's the other thing about Nick is that he'd take a fucking serious punch. | ||
| Do you see him? | ||
| He'll be pitter pattering. | ||
| Mm-hmm. | ||
| Get cracked. | ||
| Go right back. | ||
| He doesn't care. | ||
| He's right back there. | ||
| Just lets you know. | ||
| So what? | ||
| So what, bitch? | ||
| So you hit me, bitch. | ||
| You know, and then you see him stand there, hands down. | ||
| Like when he fought Carlos Condent and he literally bitch slapped him. | ||
| He just opened palms, slapped him in the face. | ||
| I mean, who does that? | ||
| Who talks so much shit? | ||
| I love Nicky Elzer. | ||
| He's one of my favorites of all time. | ||
| One of my favorites. | ||
| It's interesting to see different styles and how those styles play out and see if people could find a solution. | ||
| You know, George found a solution to that style, but never came close to finishing them and never really put him in danger. | ||
| It was like a very safety-first version of that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know who I'm happy about? | ||
| It's Lawler, dude. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| What a resurgence. | ||
| I'm happy him for him to come back. | ||
| It's awesome. | ||
| I don't know where. | ||
| I never thought he was going to make come back like that. | ||
| He's smashing everyone. | ||
| Dude, see if you can find online Robbie Lawler versus Melvin Manhoof. | ||
| That's my favorite Robbie Lawler fight. | ||
| That was in Strike Force. | ||
| Manhoof's a scary dude. | ||
| Oh, first of all, the dude's the blackest man on the planet. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| He's black as coal. | ||
| He's built like a fucking superhero. | ||
| He throws the nastiest kicks and punches. | ||
| He's the only guy to ever knock Mark Hunt out in the first round with one punch, and he's 185 pounds, which is fucking crazy. | ||
| They fought in MMA. | ||
| Mark Hunt shot in on him. | ||
| I mean, that tells you how fucking scary Melvin Manhoef is. | ||
| He's just a spring, just a steel spring, just coiled back, ready to fucking explode on you. | ||
| So anyway, he's teeing off on Robbie Lawler, fucking up his legs. | ||
| Robbie's not checking any of these kicks, and he's hitting him with these inside low kicks that got Robbie's legs literally flying up in the air. | ||
| And then, boom, Robbie uncorks this haymaker, losing every minute of the fight up until the moment he uncorks his punch, and Melvin's eyes just roll way back into his head, and that's the end of it. | ||
| Yeah, this is the fight right here. | ||
| This is one of my all-time favorite Robbie Lawler fights because he was getting, see how his legs are flying up in the air? | ||
| And Melvin Manhoof is one of the best kickboxers. | ||
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Boom! | |
| There it is. | ||
| One of the best kickboxers to come out of one of the best gyms. | ||
| He was one of the guys from Mike's gym, whereas that's where Auster started training recently when he rebuilt himself. | ||
| Mike is responsible for Bader Hari. | ||
| He's got Gokan Saki over there. | ||
| A lot of those high-level, high-level guys from Holland. | ||
| I think of Gokan Saka. | ||
| Is Gokan Saki Golden Glory? | ||
| No, I don't know. | ||
| Either way, badass fighters over there, but Robbie Lawler, he always has that one-punch power. | ||
| Yeah, and he's durable and tough. | ||
| And he doesn't give a fuck. | ||
| Legitimately doesn't give a fuck. | ||
| Dana told me they called Robbie Lawler, told him you got a title shot against Johnny Hendrix for the wealthy way title. | ||
| He goes, cool. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| You know what, dude? | ||
| He's a nice guy. | ||
| I like him. | ||
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But to me, he's kind of like a bimbo. | |
| That's how I describe him. | ||
| He's simple and so nice. | ||
| He's like a bimbo, like airhead. | ||
| That's funny. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| That's what I always got off of him, you know? | ||
| I've had conversations with him. | ||
| He's not stupid. | ||
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No, he's not stupid, but he's just quiet and real nice. | |
| I don't know. | ||
| He's kind of like a bimbo. | ||
| I never talked to him that much. | ||
| I know what you're saying, but that's just perceptions. | ||
| Yeah, I never talked to him for a long time. | ||
| He was one of the coaches for Ultra Fighter when I was on there. | ||
| Oh, really? | ||
| Other team. | ||
| So he was real nice and like, he just seemed like, you know. | ||
| Yeah, what team were you on? | ||
| I was on Sarah. | ||
| You were on Sarah and he was on Hughes. | ||
| But he's like, because Brony would always tell me back, Brony would tell me that Laura doesn't spar. | ||
| I'm like, you're right, dude. | ||
| Laws probably always doesn't spar. | ||
| He's a striker. | ||
| So when I asked him on the show, like, hey, you spar, he's like, he's like, no, man, why would I spar? | ||
| He's like, I know how to fight. | ||
| I don't know spar. | ||
| I just wrestle. | ||
| I'm like, what? | ||
| Are you serious, dude? | ||
| He's like, yeah, man, I wrestle and I run. | ||
| I lift weights. | ||
| But he's like, I don't spar. | ||
| I know how to fight already. | ||
| Why would I spar? | ||
| The way he said it was just funny. | ||
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I was like, it just seemed like a just like a rock. | |
| That's how I see it. | ||
| I was like, but he's a nice guy, but he's a tough asteroid. | ||
| But you told me he doesn't spar. | ||
| But what do you think about that? | ||
| Because is that maybe a way to do it? | ||
| Like, you don't take any damage. | ||
| So you go into a fight and you haven't been hit at all. | ||
| You know how to hit people and you know how to get hit. | ||
| You've been doing it for years. | ||
| If you just stop now, how much timing would you lose if you did like a lot of mitt work and you just concentrated on drills with a real good striking coach? | ||
| I wouldn't do it because I know the only way for me to judge is by jail. | ||
| When I came out of jail, like the first like couple weeks, a few weeks of sparring, I'm like flinchy and like, I'm like flexing. | ||
| But you didn't get to do anything in jail though, right? | ||
| Yeah, all I could do there was shadow box and like push-ups and squat. | ||
| I couldn't really work out. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| I wouldn't do it. | ||
| Like me, I spar only once a week, just Tuesdays. | ||
| And like with the little girls, like I said, and that's it. | ||
| I used to do three days a week. | ||
| More guys do three days a week, but it's too much, I think. | ||
| I don't think you need to do that much. | ||
| Yeah, there's this point of diminishing returns, especially with taking shots. | ||
| Everyone gets hurt in practice. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| So I'd spend more time doing other stuff that's less dangerous and running and stuff like that. | ||
| Because I think in the beginning, when you're new, I think it's important to spar because you need to get comfortable. | ||
| But once you get comfortable, it's less important because you're relaxed and you're not nervous no more and stuff. | ||
| So much of it is also dependent upon finding people that you could trust to spar with. | ||
| When I first moved to Hollywood in 94, I was training at the Jet Center and a bunch of real cool guys there. | ||
| And there was a bunch of real cool guys to spar with. | ||
| There's this one dude in particular. | ||
| I forget his name. | ||
| I think his name was Ed. | ||
| I forget. | ||
| But he was an older dude. | ||
| Me and that dude used to spar all the time because I knew that he would never try to tee off on me. | ||
| And he knew that I would never try to tee off on him. | ||
| Everything was like 50% always. | ||
| He was never, you know, some dudes will 50% you and then hit you with some shit. | ||
| Be like, come on, man. | ||
| What are we doing here? | ||
| Are we fighting? | ||
| Are we sparring? | ||
| And the next thing you're trying to get him back, next thing you know, you're in a war. | ||
| Brawling. | ||
| Brawling. | ||
| And fucking your brain out. | ||
| You know, I don't believe that you need to spar hard. | ||
| I don't think so either. | ||
| What I was going to say is this: I got better with this guy. | ||
| My sparring got sharper. | ||
| My reflexes got sharper because I was constantly sparring with this dude where I wasn't worried about getting knocked out in our training sessions. | ||
| You know, either you're tough or you're not, dude. | ||
| So you're going to get hit and you're going to be a puss or you're going to get hit and you're going to take it. | ||
| So by that standard, you think Robbie Lawrence got a point? | ||
| You think maybe his style of not sparring at all is going to be a good idea? | ||
| For him. | ||
| For him. | ||
| Yeah, well, that's it, right? | ||
| You got to find what works for you. | ||
| You know, like some guys I think you could get away with it more than others, but I wouldn't feel confident doing it. | ||
| I've never heard the one that was doing that, except for him. | ||
| Yeah, I wonder what, I mean, who knows? | ||
| He might just be bullshitting. | ||
| He might like to spread rumors. | ||
| But he was living with Brony for a little bit in Vegas, like way back in the day. | ||
| So Brony said that he didn't spar. | ||
| And I was like, fucking bullshit, dude. | ||
| He has to spar. | ||
| It's probably all he wants to do is spar. | ||
| So he confirmed it. | ||
| So I don't know, dude. | ||
| We have to ask him one time. | ||
| That's really interesting, man. | ||
| That's really interesting. | ||
| He's a scary fucking finisher, though. | ||
| The way he put away Koshak, he fucked Koshka. | ||
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I mean, the way he fights, he doesn't need to spar, obviously. | |
| You know what I mean? | ||
| And maybe that'll save his brain in the long run. | ||
| That's what I'm saying. | ||
| That's the problem with boxers is that they only punch. | ||
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So they're getting hit in the head all the time in practice and the fight. | |
| So they get more brain damage than us. | ||
| I'm sparring once a week. | ||
| And they're like, oh, we should come through because then we can go hard. | ||
| When you see guys like Meldrick Taylor, does that freak you out? | ||
| It's scary, dude. | ||
| It freaks me out, man. | ||
| I stopped sparring when I was in my 20s. | ||
| I haven't done any sparring. | ||
| I'm 46 years old now. | ||
| And I still wonder if what I did when I was younger. | ||
| Like, maybe I would have been smarter. | ||
| Maybe I wouldn't have been so weird. | ||
| Like, you know, it can't be good to hit in the head. | ||
| It can't be. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| So, I mean, that's why you got to accept the fact you got to be careful with yourself. | ||
| And you got to be smart. | ||
| Like, for example, last week, I was sparring with Evan Dunham. | ||
| And I shot at the exact same time he kicked. | ||
| Just like, you know, this fluke accident. | ||
| Super common, though. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And boom, dude, I was on my ass. | ||
| Like, whoa. | ||
| I was like pretty much almost out, you know? | ||
| And he's like, sorry, man, bad timing. | ||
| LA, though. | ||
| I know. | ||
| When was this? | ||
| When did this happen? | ||
| Last week. | ||
| Now, what do you do when something like that happens? | ||
| How much time do you take off of sparring? | ||
| Depending on how I feel afterwards, but like I took the whole week off, but I was only sparring Tuesdays anyway. | ||
| But if I would have been dizzier that night, still afterwards and the next day, I wouldn't have sparred for a couple weeks. | ||
| Because that's how you lose your chin. | ||
| Yeah, that's what I'm saying. | ||
| But then it sucked. | ||
| Like after that, I was fine. | ||
| That night I was already fine. | ||
| So I didn't think it was a big deal. | ||
| But then on Tuesday, we got this fucking silver medalist, Olympic guy from Denmark, Martin Cammon's buddy. | ||
| He's a silver medalist and he's a boxer? | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| Cracker Roman wrestler. | ||
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Okay. | |
| So I'm sparring with this guy yesterday. | ||
| And he stand-up isn't that good yet. | ||
| So I'm going to softer arms. | ||
| I don't want to be a dick, you know? | ||
| But then he took me down with a double leg, and I was getting up on the fence, and that motherfucker suplexed me on my head, dude. | ||
| And I got rocked pretty good, but it was like, fuck it. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Every day. | ||
| But you got to be able to judge. | ||
| Like, say, if Evan Dunham, that happened in my last round last Tuesday. | ||
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If that was my first round, I would stop for the day. | |
| If you get dropped or knocked out of rock, don't be tough. | ||
| Fucking take the day off because you're going to do more damage. | ||
| Your brain has to recover a little bit, you know? | ||
| Well, not only that, I mean, you really need more than a day. | ||
| You probably need a long time off, which is kind of fucking crazy. | ||
| I'm saying at least a week. | ||
| But I'm saying, like, some guys will get dropped and they'll take like a minute off and spar the next round. | ||
| Nah, man, you're done for the day. | ||
| Relax. | ||
| It ain't going to benefit you. | ||
| Yeah, I've seen guys get knocked out cold in boxing gyms. | ||
| Wake up and spar. | ||
| They spar them later. | ||
| And they're like, you got to do it. | ||
| No, fuck you. | ||
| Yeah, get back on the horse. | ||
| Don't be scared. | ||
| Get back on the horse. | ||
| And you see them spar and they're like, then they get jabbed. | ||
| What's going on? | ||
| They get jabbed in a rock. | ||
| Well, there's been a couple instances in the UFC where guys got knocked out in training camp and they completed their camp and fought. | ||
| Travis Luter, when he knocked out Marvin Eastman, remember that fight? | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Marvin Eastman got knocked out twice in camp. | ||
| He was training with Tito and he got knocked out by a knee during a takedown and another time there was something else like during a takedown he got knocked out. | ||
| So he'd been concussed out cold twice in camp and then fought and Travis Luter caught him with the end of this punch. | ||
| It was kind of crazy. | ||
| It was one of the weirdest knockouts ever. | ||
| Yeah, he caught him like pull that out. | ||
| Travis Luter versus Martin Keats. | ||
| Luther's never knocked out anyone in his life. | ||
| And he's a jutsu guy. | ||
| Travis Luter versus Marvin Eastman. | ||
| And Eastman's a beast. | ||
| Well, you know, Luter could punch. | ||
| He's a strong dude. | ||
| Oh, yeah, yeah. | ||
| I mean, he's a jutsu guy, and Eastman's a striker, so he thought he was going to take him down and try, you know? | ||
| He's one of, in my opinion, the guys that didn't reach his potential that makes me go, damn. | ||
| He's fucking lazy. | ||
| Lazy. | ||
| Well, not just lazy, like wouldn't leave his gym, like trained with his students and shit. | ||
| He was smashing Irish and Silva. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And he gassed. | ||
| Yeah, here's Travis right here. | ||
| I mean, that's crazy. | ||
| We'll show that one more time because it doesn't even make sense. | ||
| But it's not, like, people, you might think it was fake. | ||
| Watch this. | ||
| You're not gonna win by sitting on the floor, one jab, one right hand. | ||
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There's a better strike to throw. | |
| This guy is not gonna take the gun. | ||
| He hits him with this punch. | ||
| Here it is. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| It's like it grazed him at the very end of the punch, and Marvin Eastman had just been so damaged in training that he just went out cold. | ||
| But Travis Luter was a wicked jiu-jitsu guy. | ||
| He dominated everybody in the house. | ||
| When you see when he was fighting on the Ultimate Fighter, dude, his fucking takedowns, his jiu-jitsu was laser sharp, and he fucked up and he fought Anderson Silva. | ||
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Yes. | |
| He lost so much weight, dude. | ||
| I've never seen a guy so closer to death than the weigh-ins for Travis Luter. | ||
| He never made the weight. | ||
| He never made the weight. | ||
| He missed the weights. | ||
| It was a non-title fight when he fought Anderson. | ||
| And when he got on that scale, man, his lips were cracked and bleeding. | ||
| His face was completely sucked in. | ||
| There was no water in his body. | ||
| And he was shuffling. | ||
| I'll never forget that. | ||
| He couldn't even walk. | ||
| He was shuffling towards the scale for his second time. | ||
| This was after he missed weight on the stage. | ||
| They weighed him backstage afterwards. | ||
| He couldn't make the weight. | ||
| He was off by like a couple pounds, too. | ||
| It was a mess. | ||
| There was no way he was going to lose any more weight. | ||
| He was going to die. | ||
| And so they changed it to a non-title fight. | ||
| But if that guy had just earlier in his career had moved to a bigger camp and gone like the Jacksons or American top team or something like that and really got in shape, he would have been a motherfucker. | ||
| His jiu-jitsu was so strong. | ||
| He's always seen him die in his cardio. | ||
| You needed better training guys in his cardio. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But it was like Guy Metzger was the best ever first-round fighter in the world. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Guy was anyone in the first round, you're dead. | ||
| But after that, it's a rap. | ||
| You get tired, you know? | ||
| Yeah, well, Guy Metzger, he's another guy that had a real problem. | ||
| He was taking Vioxx. | ||
| He was taking some shit for his knees. | ||
| It was like arthritis shit. | ||
| They turned out it would give people strokes. | ||
| And he had a fucking stroke from this medication. | ||
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Did he? | |
| Yeah, dude. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He never fought again. | ||
| But his friends started noticing that he was slurring his words like crazy. | ||
| And, you know, it was like out of nowhere. | ||
| And so they urged him to go to a doctor. | ||
| And he went to a doctor and found out that he had a fucking stroke. | ||
| I'm pretty sure it was Violet. | ||
| I'm going to pull this up because I don't want to speak out of, but I remember they pulled that shit. | ||
| Guy Medzker. | ||
| That's why it's funny that when they make weed illegal, but all these drugs fuck everybody up. | ||
| Yeah, no kidding, man. | ||
| Yeah, man, he did. | ||
| Okay, that was. | ||
| It was Vioxx. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And he got a fucking stroke. | ||
| They took him to the hospital. | ||
| Fucking crazy. | ||
| Man, I didn't know that. | ||
| Yeah, you got to be careful. | ||
| All of those medications that they can give you for things like arthritis, extreme anti-inflammatory medications like that, they can have an extreme effect on your blood, especially these pharmaceutical ones. | ||
| They pulled that shit off the market. | ||
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Yeah, I try to stay away from most all medications. | |
| You eat really healthy, man. | ||
| I watch your Twitter feed for what you eat. | ||
| You eat almost totally vegan, right? | ||
| Well, ever since I got out of jail, I started eating... | ||
| So what happens? | ||
| I read the China study and I already had a friend that was vegan. | ||
| And I started reading a lot and it made sense to me. | ||
| And I believe the study, like a lot of the stats and stuff, and that documentary, forks over knives and stuff. | ||
| So I gave it a shot. | ||
| I said, I'll try it out, you know. | ||
| And I mean, I'm still strong, muscular, whatever. | ||
| What are you getting your protein from? | ||
| You say 90% vegan, so it's 10% animal protein? | ||
| Yeah, basically what I do. | ||
| So protein is a lot of from, I get, I supplement a lot of powder from like, I like sponsor Garden of Life. | ||
| That's a great company. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I got good stuff. | ||
| I like their stuff. | ||
| I got out of jail and I was taking that stuff and I was like, fuck, it was expensive. | ||
| And I thought they're too mainstream to sponsor me. | ||
| Like, I'm a maniac, you know? | ||
| That's why I said, that's what I want. | ||
| So I'm going to email them. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And I was like, hey, you know, and they're like, sure. | ||
| And I was like, really? | ||
| I was like, just let you know. | ||
| Like, I did. | ||
| I did jail. | ||
| I did porn. | ||
| And they're like, oh, yeah, we already Googled you. | ||
| And I was like, all right, cool. | ||
| Wow, that's awesome. | ||
| But they're a great company. | ||
| But anyway, in the daytime, mostly I make smoothies. | ||
| All it is is like bananas, spinach, strawberries, and the protein. | ||
| So do you avoid a big meal until like later? | ||
| Are you doing that? | ||
| Right now I'm doing the, I'm trying to do it. | ||
| The warrior diet. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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I never read the book, but I know a little bit about it. | |
| But I like it because here's what happens is that my whole life, you know, I did the regular bodybuilding diet, eat every two or three hours. | ||
| And, you know, then it was always easy in the daytime. | ||
| And nighttime, I'm starving. | ||
| And I want to cheat. | ||
| That's always the problem. | ||
| You know, nighttime was like, fuck, man, I want to eat this or that. | ||
| And you can't. | ||
| You can't cheat, right? | ||
| So then I read the warrior diet, the theory behind it. | ||
| And I said, it makes sense, man. | ||
| Like, all day long, I'm not hungry anyway. | ||
| So I eat a little bit during the day, and then I'll just pig out at night, have big, you know, big dinner. | ||
| So just the last few months, I've been doing this warrior diet thing. | ||
| But basically, all I do is I only eat a, I make a smoothie an hour before practice, and then I eat one right after practice. | ||
| One hour, huh? | ||
| That's all you need? | ||
| Is an hour? | ||
| Yeah, I feel like it's good for me. | ||
| That's probably because it's a vegetable-based smoothie, right? | ||
| Yeah, it's all fruit. | ||
| Yeah, I've tried to do that with like whey protein. | ||
| You start shitting your parents, starting your brains out. | ||
| Yeah, you know, I like whey. | ||
| It comes from milk, and it tastes better. | ||
| The whey proteins taste better and stuff, but I don't know. | ||
| I think it's bad. | ||
| From what I've read, I try to stay away from all the animal stuff, especially dairy. | ||
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But then, like, what I usually do is like, I'll eat vegan all week. | |
| On Sunday, I eat like a fucking pig. | ||
| I don't care. | ||
| You give a one-cheat day? | ||
| Like, pizza, like, anything. | ||
| I don't care. | ||
| Anything. | ||
| Nothing forbidden. | ||
| But sometimes, say, like, tonight, oh, you want to go to sushi? | ||
| I'll get sushi tonight. | ||
| Big deal. | ||
| But in my house, I only eat vegan. | ||
| That's interesting. | ||
| So my protein comes from mostly beans, rice. | ||
| I like to eat a lot of pistachios. | ||
| And then the protein. | ||
| But mostly beans. | ||
| I ate a boring diet. | ||
| They ate the same thing every day, same time of the day. | ||
| That's smart. | ||
| Because freedom makes me... | ||
| If I have any freedom in my schedule, I'll screw it all up. | ||
| So I have that written down, eat this now, otherwise I'm screwed. | ||
| Like, same thing. | ||
| Like, if I even get woken up early, my schedule is so exact. | ||
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Like, today, like, I'm here, right? | |
| If this ended early, I wouldn't train after this. | ||
| My schedule is ruined already. | ||
| And on the way here, I already ate junk food. | ||
| I fucking went the jack in the box. | ||
| So you sort of manage yourself against your own impulses. | ||
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Yeah, because I know that it's like I have discipline, but I don't. | |
| If I have a schedule in front of me, I'll follow it to a T. If I don't have one, I can't trust myself. | ||
| You're too impulsive. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| I can't do it. | ||
| But at least you understand that. | ||
| You know. | ||
| But that's a trial and error thing, you know? | ||
| And I think that's probably, you know, if you think about like your life and all the circumstances that you've had in your life, those develop like paths. | ||
| They develop like behavior paths. | ||
| And those behavior paths, once you already go down that impulsive road, it becomes very difficult to break those paths. | ||
| That's why people are like gambling junkies, they'll fucking fall off the wagon and just fucking, let me just play one hand, one hand of black check. | ||
| And next thing you know, they're fucking sweating, their collar's undone, their fucking hair is crazy. | ||
| I forbid myself to gamble. | ||
| Yeah, I'm not a gambler either. | ||
| But yeah, but this, right now my diet, I like it, dude. | ||
| I don't think we need to eat that much animals and stuff. | ||
| You know, the China study shows like in the rats and stuff that if the rats that ate more than 10% animal products, their cancer would turn on, and then they take them to a 90% vegetable diet and they would turn off the cancers. | ||
| But I'm here to tell you that I'm an American and I'm not a fucking rat. | ||
| I'm a human being, top of the food chain. | ||
| I'll eat a rat if I'm hungry, but I don't like to base my diet off some shitty rodents that eat themselves. | ||
| Yeah, well, here's the thing, too. | ||
| If you think about it, all right? | ||
| So we're in tribes, okay? | ||
| So us guys are the hunters. | ||
| We're gonna go out all day and hunt. | ||
| Along the way, we're gonna be eating fucking apples and whatever we find, right? | ||
| Whatever we can find, we're gonna eat along the way. | ||
| The chicks are gonna be at home, you know, hunting and gathering and cleaning shit up. | ||
| And we get a pig. | ||
| We bring it home, you know, at nighttime, and we have a feast. | ||
| But it's one pig we caught, maybe. | ||
| And there's a whole fucking village. | ||
| So we're all gonna get a small amount of meat, and mostly we're gonna eat vegetables and I think plants and stuff. | ||
| Well, just to let you know, I mean, I don't know how much you've done online. | ||
| I don't think there's anything wrong with eating a vegan diet, and I'm a big proponent in eating a lot of vegetables. | ||
| I eat a lot of vegetables. | ||
| I feel better when I drink kale shakes and eat a lot of fresh vegetables. | ||
| But the China study has been debunked by many different scientists. | ||
| There's been a lot. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| It has. | ||
| There's been a lot of different work. | ||
| Like, one of the things they accuse the China study of is cherry-picking data in order to match the conclusions that they wanted to make. | ||
| If you just Google China Study Debunk, there's a bunch of different articles about it. | ||
| Like here's one, Rest in Peace, China Study. | ||
| And it's all about a guy who wrote a story, started analyzing the original China Study data. | ||
| He said, I had no intention of writing an actual critique of Campbell's much lauded work. | ||
| I'm a data junkie, numbers along with strawberries and Audrey Hepburn films, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. | ||
| But after spending a solid month and a half reading, graphing, sticky noting, and passing out at 3 a.m. from studious exhaustion upon my copy of the raw China study data, I've decided that it's time to voice all my criticisms, and there are many. | ||
| And this guy just goes into all these different points where there's like, he said Campbell was influenced by his own expectations about animal protein and disease, leading him to seek out specific correlations in the China study data and elsewhere to confirm his predictions, which means that he didn't use real science. | ||
| What he did was he used confirmation bias and he tried to go towards a lot of vegans do that, man. | ||
| Like I tried, I had this, what's the endurance runner that we had on? | ||
| The dude. | ||
| Oh, I think I'm talking about. | ||
| Anyway, Kat was a vegan, really good guy. | ||
| And we were talking about Rick Roll. | ||
| We were talking about Rich Roll. | ||
| We were talking about veganism, and he was saying that it had nothing to do with not wanting to eat animals. | ||
| It's all about health. | ||
| So I started talking to him about the benefits of fish oil. | ||
| And, you know, and he was like agreeing that there's a lot of health benefits of fish oil. | ||
| So do you supplement with fish oil? | ||
| He's like, no, no, I don't. | ||
| I'm like, well, why wouldn't you if you know all the benefits of fish oil? | ||
| Because it becomes a thing where you want to say you don't eat any animals. | ||
| Here's the thing, like, like my little buddies are, my old roommate is a vegan, real vegan. | ||
| Like reading labels and shit. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I would never do that. | ||
| And I don't believe in the whole 100% vegan diet. | ||
| I believe that, I think my opinion is we're meant to eat some meat, but mostly plants. | ||
| You know, that's what I think we're probably meant to eat naturally. | ||
| But like, I'll eat whatever I want. | ||
| There's a great deal of benefit to eating animal protein, though. | ||
| There's a lot, especially animal protein that's grass-fed. | ||
| If you start looking into wild game and grass-fed animal protein, the difference between the essential fats. | ||
| There's like way more that was stuff in salmon. | ||
| Essential fatty acids. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Way more in the wild game. | ||
| Much more. | ||
| Much more. | ||
| Well, you know, the problem is most people, when you're judging diets, here's one gigantic thumb, sore thumb that sticks out. | ||
| Most people have sedentary lifestyles. | ||
| So if you start judging the diet of the average American, what the fuck is the average American doing with their body? | ||
| Yeah, so you can't even compare the average American to an athlete. | ||
| But when you start talking to athletes, talking about the specific nutritional demands of you're redlining your fucking body every day when you're training, when you're doing strength and conditioning. | ||
| I've seen the videos of you where you're doing chin-ups with fucking weight belts on and 90-pound dumbbells in between your legs. | ||
| You're redlining your body all the time. | ||
| You need as much protein, nutrients, essential fatty acids, vitamins. | ||
| You need all the good shit. | ||
| You can't afford to have a deficiency in any area. | ||
| You should look into, like, if you're not opposed to it from a moral standpoint, look into the benefits of grass-fed protein. | ||
| I think that's why, like, the way I'm doing it, I do both, but mostly the plants. | ||
| I think as long as my energies are high and my muscles stay in the same, my strengths are the same, like I could judge it, you know, like by that. | ||
| You know, kind of, I feel good, you know what I mean? | ||
| It's definitely better than the average diet. | ||
| Yeah, and the thing is, too, this is why in jail I stopped reading fucking fiction. | ||
| Fiction is the real shit, right? | ||
| Books? | ||
| Yeah, fiction is fake. | ||
| Oh, non-fiction. | ||
| So the reason, yeah. | ||
| And the reason why in jail I stopped reading non-fiction was because I would fucking read one book written by four PhDs and they're telling me this, right? | ||
| And I read another book by four PhDs and they tell me the opposite. | ||
| Yeah, that's right. | ||
| Like no one knows shit. | ||
| And it pisses me off. | ||
| So after a while, I started reading only fiction, just stories. | ||
| I didn't give a shit. | ||
| You know, because I got sick and tired of reading them contracting each other and no one knows nothing, you know? | ||
| Well, what's going on is that there's not enough, It's just like people are still learning and they're still learning about the body. | ||
| I mean, if you just look at training methods that people used to use just 100 years ago in comparison to training methods today. | ||
| You ever watch like those old training camps like Jack Johnson and Jack Dempsey and all these guys just doing all this crazy like old school training methods? | ||
| It's silly. | ||
| Their bodies look different. | ||
| Like athletes are just different today. | ||
| We understand Tabata methods. | ||
| We understand different protocols for endurance training. | ||
| We understand heart rate monitors. | ||
| We understand overtraining. | ||
| We understand like hydration, electrolytes. | ||
| There's just so much that they understand today they didn't know then. | ||
| It's constantly growing. | ||
| It's not a finished product. | ||
| I think the main problem is though, is like if me and you are a scientist and we figure out this thing, like we think we're right. | ||
| But then we like, the scientists, they fucking, they refuse to believe they're wrong. | ||
| And then they'll push this, even though now they know it might be wrong, but they wasted so much time to fucking make this right. | ||
| Now they're scared. | ||
| It's the same thing with the flat earth and the round earth and all that bullshit. | ||
| It's the same type of theory. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| they get committed to their idea. | ||
| Yeah, they don't want to budge. | ||
| They'd rather preach their idea, even though it's not right, than let go. | ||
| And then that's the problem, too, with the science shit. | ||
| Well, that's an issue with people that study ancient civilizations. | ||
| There's a guy that we've had on this podcast several times, a good friend of mine named Graham Hancock, great guy who wrote this amazing book called Fingerprints of the Gods, and it's all about ancient structures. | ||
| They've taken geologists, man. | ||
| They had this guy, Robert Schock from Boston University. | ||
| They studied the erosion marks on the Sphinx, and they're trying to backdate the enclosure for the Sphinx. | ||
| They say it's from rain, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They say it's from thousands of years of rain. | ||
| The problem was the last time they had that kind of rainfall in the Nile. | ||
| It was like 9,000 BC. | ||
| So we're talking about thousands of years before that, because back then, there used to be a rainforest. | ||
| The Nile used to be like its rich rainforest. | ||
| So what he's saying is that just based on geological evidence, you're dealing with something that was constructed a long time ago, much longer than anybody thinks. | ||
| But these Egyptologists did not want to buy it. | ||
| No, they were digging their heels in the sand and they were saying there's no way it's impossible. | ||
| Where is this? | ||
| They were laughing like, where is this culture from 12,000 plus years ago you talk about? | ||
| And they didn't even know that anybody had built anything like that from 12,000 years ago until recently they found this structure in Turkey called Gobekli Tepe. | ||
| Without a doubt, 12,000 plus years old because someone 12,000 years ago covered it because they've proven by doing carbon testing on the soil that it was all put at the same time. | ||
| So they know that 12,000 years ago, for sure, someone was making big, crazy giant shit. | ||
| But they don't want to talk about that because they've been teaching college courses and universities and forever and they gave a timeline. | ||
| And because this timeline has been established and that's how they base their PhDs, that's how they based all their studies and their work. | ||
| Yeah, they don't want to let it go. | ||
| And that's the problem. | ||
| Yeah, it is a problem. | ||
| You know, I don't know. | ||
| It's a problem with ancient civilizations for sure. | ||
| But it's a little bit of a problem with health. | ||
| And a lot of these fucking people that are talking about, oh, you don't need vitamins, you don't need this. | ||
| Let me find out what you do with your body. | ||
| Because I have a feeling you're a fat fuck and you sit around doing nothing. | ||
| And you're telling people they don't need vitamins. | ||
| They don't need nutrients. | ||
| I just saw that shit the other day on Dr. Oz. | ||
| Some doctor was trying to tell him that you don't need to take vitamins. | ||
| It's bullshit. | ||
| And then Dr. Oz was saying, well, you need to take your daily recommended allowance. | ||
| Fuck the daily recommended allowance. | ||
| This guy's all no shit. | ||
| I don't believe none of that. | ||
| I take, you know what I mean? | ||
| I don't think it's going to hurt you to mega-dose some vitamins, you know? | ||
| Well, it's also, they love to make these headlines. | ||
| Like, I don't know if you saw this recent story where these researchers are saying case closed vitamins don't work. | ||
| But they based it on two things. | ||
| And I've talked about this before, folks, who listen, and they're like, you're going to fucking talk about it again. | ||
| One more time. | ||
| This is the last time, I promise. | ||
| Just for War Machine. | ||
| They based it on people over 65 that had had heart attacks, that vitamins didn't keep them alive any longer, and people that were over 65 that had already had mental decline. | ||
| They were already experiencing Alzheimer's. | ||
| It didn't slow their mental decline. | ||
| So they're like, well, vitamins don't work. | ||
| But that's not vitamins doesn't work. | ||
| You're dealing with old people that are already broken. | ||
| They're already dead almost. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| You're having heart attacks, man. | ||
| Your brain stopped working and you're having heart attacks. | ||
| Oh, a fucking Centrum 1 didn't work and didn't fix that? | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| Unbelievable. | ||
| But this is a headline to get press. | ||
| So they put these headlines out to get their study to get people to read it and pay attention to it. | ||
| It gets hits on all these websites. | ||
| Everybody gets excited about it. | ||
| They inflame the results because the more you inflame them, the more people are going to share them on Twitter. | ||
| And the next thing you know, people are arguing that you don't need vitamins. | ||
| There was just a study that released. | ||
| Why are you even taking vitamins? | ||
| They have a study. | ||
| There's no fucking studies that tell you you don't need vitamins. | ||
| That's just stupidity. | ||
| Yeah, well, that's the same thing. | ||
| What's up with the soy milk? | ||
| I hear people say that it raises estrogen, but other people say it doesn't. | ||
| Is there a real study? | ||
| Soy most definitely can have effects on your hormone levels. | ||
| For men or just women? | ||
| For men. | ||
| For men and women. | ||
| There's a real study? | ||
| Because I hear both, and I don't know what, fuck, which one? | ||
| I'm pretty sure soy can affect your hormone level. | ||
| Let's just Google it right now. | ||
| Can affect hormone levels. | ||
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Hormone levels. | |
| There's a lot of shit that can affect hormone levels. | ||
| You got to be careful about having... | ||
| Yeah, Adonami. | ||
| He cries. | ||
| He cries like a girl. | ||
| He grows milk when he eats soybeans. | ||
| They say that our drinking water, though, is so full of birth control pills. | ||
| When they clean it out, the hormones stay in it, and it's lowering testosterone, too. | ||
| Well, there is some. | ||
| There's also antidepressants that make their way into our drinking water from people processing, like when people flush them down the toilet. | ||
| Like when you drink water, like in some places, you're drinking water that's been processed. | ||
| Like they'll process sewage water. | ||
| Yeah, and back into the drinking water. | ||
| And then somehow or another, micro-doses of these antidepressants and antibiotics and all kinds of shit can make it into that water. | ||
| But the levels are so low. | ||
| Exaggerated. | ||
| It's like it'd be almost impossible to, I mean, it's impossible to feel. | ||
| I think it's just detectable. | ||
| Does soy, does eating soy increase estrogen production? | ||
| Let's find out. | ||
| Yes, it does. | ||
| Soybeans are a complete protein source and a dietary staple in many cultures. | ||
| Soy contains phytoestrogens called isoflavones that may mimic the activity of hormone estrogen in your body. | ||
| The effects of soy isoflavones on human estrogen levels are complex. | ||
| Soy is safe for everyone to consume in moderation and can have a modest effect on estrogen levels. | ||
| So that means it can have an effect. | ||
| So don't get crazy and drink a lot of soy milk or your dick will go soft. | ||
| You grow some titties. | ||
| Or if you're a girl and you need some extra estrogen, imagine if girls could eat like certain foods and their tits would grow bigger. | ||
| There would be none of that shit at Whole Foods. | ||
| Try finding soybeans at Whole Foods. | ||
| It would be out. | ||
| Yeah, soy's an interesting one, but it's not the best protein. | ||
| Like quinoa is one of the best. | ||
| That's real high in protein and all essential fats. | ||
| Yeah, amino acids. | ||
| Hemp's a real good one, too. | ||
| Hemp's easy to digest, too. | ||
| Yeah, I take the Garden of Life on it. | ||
| It's like a blend, I think. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You can get a lot of protein. | ||
| I mean, Mac Danzig pulls it off. | ||
| You can get a lot of protein in a vegan diet. | ||
| You just got to know what the fuck you're doing. | ||
| The real issue is healthy fats, too. | ||
| You got to eat avocados and shit. | ||
| You got to get a lot of healthy fats. | ||
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| Yeah. | ||
| See, I'm not against. | ||
| I would take the fish oils. | ||
| I don't bother Me, like Mac wouldn't, you know, he's a real, real hardcore vegan. | ||
| Yeah, he's an animal. | ||
| He told me, like, fuck that, that soy shit's bullshit. | ||
| Like, you know, like, and I figured that he's been a vegan so long, maybe he knows. | ||
| So, I just believed him, you know. | ||
| What did he say was bullshit? | ||
| The soy shit? | ||
| The soy, like, that's bullshit. | ||
| Like, there's no study that's getting emotional. | ||
| That's the woman in him. | ||
| The estrogen is making him emotional. | ||
| Tell him to back off the beans, Mac. | ||
| Yeah, well, Mac is he's he's he's an interesting dude because he's got a real strong character. | ||
| I really like that guy. | ||
| He's a very smart dude, and he's a strong believer in character. | ||
| That's why he chooses not to have any animal protein. | ||
| Well, no, he started for the same reason I started was from like sinus infections of strep throat. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Well, dairy, man. | ||
| A lot of people have issues. | ||
| I just get strep throat and sinus infections like three times a year, every fucking year, since forever, right? | ||
| And then I heard a rumor that if you stop drinking milk, it can go away. | ||
| I was like, bullshit. | ||
| I tried it and it stopped fucking, I don't get it anymore. | ||
| Yeah, our friend Tony Hinchcliffe had the same issue, right? | ||
| He stopped drinking milk and he cured up a lot of it. | ||
| And Mac Danzig told me this, that's why he started too. | ||
| And then after that, he started researching more, and that's why he became a vegan, plus the animal stuff. | ||
| Yeah, you're not supposed to drink milk that's been homogenized and pasteurized. | ||
| And the problem with drinking raw milk is unless you know who's milking that cow and feeding that cow, you don't know what the fuck you're getting, how they're dealing and handling the milk right afterwards. | ||
| If you can get a good source, though, if you get a real good farm that's reputable, that knows how to deal with their raw milk. | ||
| There was a recent study also that tried to discredit wall milk, saying one out of six people who drink raw milk can get sick. | ||
| But then in the very article itself, it shows that you can't prove that what happened to them came from the raw milk. | ||
| And it could have been from, I mean, it's not like they only had raw milk. | ||
| They weren't controlling the rest of their input. | ||
| And their input varied. | ||
| Everybody's input varied. | ||
| And people get sick all the time. | ||
| So it's real sketchy. | ||
| It's not like a double-blind placebo test taking raw milk as opposed to homogenous or pasteurized milk. | ||
| And then they both eat the same diet and it's controlled, same portions. | ||
| Yeah, you have to live in the same environment. | ||
| You know, it's hard. | ||
| But you got to be careful. | ||
| You got to be careful whenever anything's raw. | ||
| You know, you got to have really fresh stuff. | ||
| But that's what we're supposed to eat. | ||
| We're not supposed to be old rotten. | ||
| We're supposed to be refrigerators and all, you know what I mean? | ||
| Yeah, but, you know, for most people, they're not going to be able to afford to just buy milk every day. | ||
| I mean, that's really what you're... | ||
| Steak's not supposed to sit in your refrigerator. | ||
| And the only way meat can sit in your refrigerator has to be like some fucking baloney thing that's barely a meat. | ||
| It's just been filled with all kinds of shit to the point where it can't rot. | ||
| Cheese hot dogs. | ||
| Cheese hot dogs? | ||
| Yeah, that's the worst. | ||
| What are those? | ||
| It's like meat with fake cheese in it. | ||
| Oh, in the center. | ||
| In the center. | ||
| Oh, God. | ||
| Yeah, those are terrible for you. | ||
| All that stuff just makes you feel awful. | ||
| Just makes you, your body just goes into shutdown mode. | ||
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| You know, I want to have my pig day. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But I always feel like shit. | ||
| Do you eat gluten? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| See, I don't know nothing about gluten. | ||
| I never really read up on it. | ||
| There's real science behind that. | ||
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My cousin is a lawyer in Washington. | |
| She has a bad gluten allergy where she'll like be in bedridden for gluten. | ||
| So she was telling me all about it, but I mean, I don't really know nothing about gluten. | ||
| I have no gluten allergy. | ||
| I've eaten pasta all my life. | ||
| I'm Italian. | ||
| I grew up eating bread and pasta, but when I cut it out, I noticed a big difference. | ||
| And what, though? | ||
| My face got skinnier, first of all. | ||
| I felt like less soreness in the areas that I usually get inflammation, like my back. | ||
| I went to it because a therapist told me that. | ||
| She told me they have good results with helping people who have back injuries by getting off of gluten, getting off gluten and sugar. | ||
| She's like, anything terrible for you. | ||
| She's like, these things, they're not just bad for you. | ||
| She's like, they're inflammatory. | ||
| And she goes, and that's what the issue is. | ||
| The issue is inflammation. | ||
| And if you have foods that cause inflammation, it makes injuries more difficult to heal. | ||
| Yeah, because I was reading about all that shit, like sugar and stuff. | ||
| It taxes your kidneys and your liver. | ||
| And they can't do their jobs right. | ||
| So your body has more toxins than it should have, and it makes your body inflamed and blah, blah, blah. | ||
| Sugar's not good for it. | ||
| Too bad it's fucking delicious, though. | ||
| God damn it. | ||
| Everything good for you is fucking boring and bland. | ||
| Everything delicious is fucking terrible for you. | ||
| It's true. | ||
| That's where we are. | ||
| That's where we are as a person. | ||
| We have to figure out how to make... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Hey, what's up with that GMO? | |
| It's the devil or what? | ||
| Well, here's what's up with GMO. | ||
| Some of it is good and some of it is bad, just like everything else. | ||
| I mean, there's like things like golden rice. | ||
| They figured out a way to engineer protein into rice and, you know, make a rice that's more easy to process. | ||
| And a lot of people have benefited from it greatly. | ||
| And then there's also shit that they designed that they want to make so that a plant, a certain plant can deal with pesticides. | ||
| There's that too. | ||
| But they've always done that with selective breeding. | ||
| But they've messed with things so that they deal with pesticides better. | ||
| And unfortunately, a lot of times that fucks up the environment. | ||
| Like bees, like they've connected the drop off in the population of bees to a couple different things. | ||
| They say that cell phones are not good for them. | ||
| They're not digging the fact that there's all these cell phone signals everywhere. | ||
| That fucks with bees, apparently. | ||
| But they can deal with that, I guess. | ||
| But what's fucking them up is there's certain pesticides that just wreak havoc on bee communities. | ||
| And if you get a genetically modified plant and these chemicals are involved in that process and these bees get a hold of these chemicals or they come into contact with these chemicals, it can be deadly to them. | ||
| There's a real issue with fucking with nature if we don't know the ultimate consequences because the world that we live in is an ecosystem. | ||
| It's like everything affects everything. | ||
| They say that if ants died, if we killed all the ants on the planet, we would be fucked. | ||
| Like the whole world would go into chaos. | ||
| Who knows? | ||
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Bees too. | |
| Yeah, because we need everything. | ||
| It's all here for a reason. | ||
| It's all connected. | ||
| And when you have something that, you know, well, it can absorb chemicals better so we can kill off all these bugs and we don't have to worry about it and we get a big yield and we can sell that yield, but it's killing bees. | ||
| Like that's, there's a yin and a yang to everything. | ||
| There's a push and a pull to everything. | ||
| And the more you dabble with nature, you're dealing with this unbelievably complex structure. | ||
| The structure of nature is so intertwined and so broad that when you fuck around with it, hopefully it has a good effect, but there's also there's going to be the potential for negative downsides. | ||
| So that's what I think about GMO. | ||
| I think it's, look, if we could figure out a way to make food that all these poor people would have nutritious food, it's super easy to grow and everybody benefits from it. | ||
| Hey, I'm all for it. | ||
| But most of the time when they're involved in genetically modifying foods, they're doing it for profit. | ||
| They're doing everything's for money. | ||
| It's a big part of what it is. | ||
| It's fucked up. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because we think about money now, this now. | ||
| They don't even care what's going to happen next. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Well, there's a lot of people that definitely don't think about the future. | ||
| They just fucking ride that bitch right now. | ||
| Just like oil. | ||
| Like, why the fuck do we still use oil? | ||
| There's a bunch of reasons. | ||
| One, because we know how to do it, and we have the whole systems in place for oil. | ||
| To change the system and change it to like solar, like everybody, like LA could probably run on solar. | ||
| If we have solar, it's really a shame that we don't have solar panels everywhere in LA. | ||
| The motherfucker is sunny constantly. | ||
| They work, and it's sunny constantly. | ||
| I mean, it would be definitely more expensive. | ||
| It would take a while to, and you also have to get batteries, and the batteries have to have minerals in those batteries. | ||
| A lot of those minerals come from conflict areas like the Congo or Afghanistan. | ||
| So it's not all simple, sweet, and clean to have electric power from solar because you have to have batteries to store that power. | ||
| Otherwise, it goes off at night. | ||
| What about that Nicola Tesla, dude? | ||
| Read about him? | ||
| Yeah, sure. | ||
| He got fucked. | ||
| You know, we never learned about him, but he invented all the best electric stuff. | ||
| He invented a lot of cool shit, but he also fell in love with a pigeon. | ||
| He was in love with a pigeon before he died. | ||
| I don't think he fucked him. | ||
| I don't think he fucked anything. | ||
| He actually, one of the quotes, I can't find this anywhere else, but I read it once, I know for sure, that he destroyed his sexuality was the quotes. | ||
| Because, yeah, he had some issue with some woman, and it didn't work out, and it just destroyed him. | ||
| He couldn't concentrate. | ||
| So he's like, you know what? | ||
| I'm done with these balls. | ||
| Hey, there's a guy at my gym. | ||
| He's from New York, actually. | ||
| He's a scientist, right? | ||
| He was like a normal guy, but he's a scientist. | ||
| And he invented this thing. | ||
| Right now, his company is in the works with a $200 million deal. | ||
| Huge thing, right? | ||
| It's a magnet-assisted generator. | ||
| So once it gets going, it's perpetual. | ||
| Nothing's perpetual, but 10,000 years is how long a magnet lasts until the energy and the magnet dies. | ||
| So it'll spin for 10,000 years. | ||
| Jesus Christ. | ||
| It's like a fucking huge fucking deal. | ||
| It's like, you know, Twitter is $300 million huge deal. | ||
| And he says it'll boost any power plant anywhere from like 70 to 100% in more power in production. | ||
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Wow. | |
| But it's like pretty much like the modern Tesla coil. | ||
| It's like the newest thing. | ||
| I actually told him, I want to see if we can call him or somewhere. | ||
| He said he would come down and talk to you, but it's a badass invention. | ||
| Yeah, give me his email address and I'll email him. | ||
| We'll figure out. | ||
| I'd like to find out what it is. | ||
| Yeah, he told me about it at the gym the other day, but it's like, it's going to be a real deal, man. | ||
| And he says that something like that, there's no... | ||
| You know, the windmills create electricity. | ||
| The turbines on the waterfall create electricity. | ||
| The nuclear energy. | ||
| But this thing is just fucking magnets and they spin by themselves and that's it. | ||
| And it makes electricity. | ||
| So it just needs something to start it up. | ||
| And then once it starts up, then the magnets. | ||
| They repel each other. | ||
| And they just keep on moving, you know? | ||
| If it's not easy, why hasn't someone else figure that out? | ||
| Perpetual motion. | ||
| It's supposedly not supposed to have ever been solved. | ||
| Well, it's not perpetual motion if you get something to start it up. | ||
| If something starts it up, you know, you're going to need something to initially turn. | ||
| It only lasts 10,000 years, which is fucking long enough. | ||
| But you got to get it going. | ||
| But then once it goes, it just keeps on moving. | ||
| Boom, boom, boom, boom. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| So this dude is figuring out a way to sell this? | ||
| They're in negotiations with huge companies. | ||
| You better fucking be careful. | ||
| If I was that dude, I'd hide where I live. | ||
| They'll fucking kill him like they did that dude who invented the water car. | ||
| The guy who invented the car was powered by water. | ||
| He died in a meeting he had with these people. | ||
| Sid Caesar died? | ||
| Sid Caesar just died. | ||
| The guy who invented the water car died in a meeting with these two people that were supposed to be government agents, and he was screaming, they poisoned me. | ||
| They poisoned me. | ||
| Those are his last words before he had a heart attack. | ||
| Fucked up, dude. | ||
| That might be a fake rumor, by the way. | ||
| Yeah, it sounds fake, doesn't it? | ||
| Sounds fake. | ||
| Sounds like that other one there, though, the Olympics one. | ||
| Yeah, the Olympics one was totally fake. | ||
| They like to do that lately. | ||
| They like to have these websites that just write fake stories, and they're not even funny. | ||
| They just fake. | ||
| Yeah, there's a website where people, you could just add somebody's name to the last part of it, and it'll be a fake hoax death. | ||
| Like it looks like a news site, and it just replaces photos. | ||
| There's too much shit on the internet. | ||
| The internet, too much freedom. | ||
| The government, when I was at the Citadel at the college I was at, because I was a biology major, so they had some scientists that were touring the country, and they're like coming around to schools and trying to tell us stuff, you know, make us aware. | ||
| It was like a team of four scientists, and it was just them and their inventions. | ||
| They're saying, these are our inventions that the government is fucking canned. | ||
| We're only four guys, you know, imagine how many other things are out there. | ||
| But one guy, he said he invented a carburetor that you can hook onto any car, and it automatically gets 80 miles a gallon. | ||
| Like instantly. | ||
| He's like, oh, fuck, I'm fucking... | ||
| He like GM or whatever. | ||
| Couldn't say, you know, but he's like, he thought, I saved like all this money. | ||
| I'm going to be rich, blah, blah, blah. | ||
| He says, the fucking government got the patent, canned it, right? | ||
| This lady, she made a clear enamel coat. | ||
| You put it in her teeth one time. | ||
| The dentist puts it on, a clear coat, and your teeth are invincible. | ||
| They'll never get a cavity, nothing. | ||
| It's like a seal. | ||
| It seals your teeth. | ||
| They bought the patent, threw it away. | ||
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Really? | |
| Another guy invented. | ||
| So, you know, cigarettes, they're addicting, you know, but it causes fucking cancer. | ||
| Everyone dies. | ||
| He invented a molecule that addicts you like nicotine still, but you just have no cancer. | ||
| So what? | ||
| It's a cigarette that you smoke it and you're hooked on it, but you won't die. | ||
| He's like, oh, this is the best invention ever. | ||
| I'm going to save all these lives. | ||
| And the company that he worked for bought it and shoved it. | ||
| That doesn't sound right. | ||
| How is it possible that you could smoke and not get sick? | ||
| Because The molecule he invented, which was like nicotine or whatever it was. | ||
| It was addictive, but it wouldn't kill you. | ||
| I believe he said that to you, but I also believe he's full of shit. | ||
| I don't know, man. | ||
| Some pretty complicated medicine right there. | ||
| People would know about the possibility of that. | ||
| These guys were, they're a team of scientists, and they're coming around, like, telling us, like, you know, like, we're four guys. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And, like, we've invented this shit. | ||
| It's hard when you're dealing with something that's so long ago, too, and then, like, you know, you try to recant the story. | ||
| Tell the story. | ||
| But that was the gist of it. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| But it's like, wait, no, why? | ||
| If you had an enamel coat under teeth, you could never get a cavity, then most dancers are out of work. | ||
| The car industry doesn't want 80 mile per gallon cars. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| They don't want that. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Back then, you just hook it on your car and you're set. | ||
| Well, there definitely would be a blowback. | ||
| There's definitely a lot of people. | ||
| If they're losing money, if they would lose money, if something came along that made cars unbelievably more efficient, they would need less gasoline, that would be a fuckload of less money. | ||
| The amount of money that's spent every day in this country on fossil fuels, we can't even wrap our head around that number. | ||
| Crazy. | ||
| It's an insane number. | ||
| So to get that out, it's going to take many generations. | ||
| It's going to take a long wind of change, or it's going to take one spectacular invention. | ||
| Like the electric car, the electric cars are cool, but fuck, they take a long time to charge up. | ||
| They can only go like 300 miles. | ||
| It takes like, you got to charge them like even if you rapid charge, it's a half hour. | ||
| So you have to sit in a gas station for a half hour while your fucking car charges. | ||
| Yeah, I talked to that dude from my gym, that Raphael guy, the scientist guy, about the electric cars. | ||
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I was like, yeah, man, like, he says that it's a scam, though. | |
| He says that the whole car is pretty much a battery. | ||
| He says that all the lead and the shit in that battery, he said it actually ends up being just as bad or worse for the environment than if you just had a car with gas. | ||
| Really? | ||
| That's what he says, but I was like, fuck, really? | ||
| I thought that was all propaganda, dude. | ||
| But he says, no, it's not as good as you think it is. | ||
| Well, you definitely need minerals. | ||
| The same thing is with the batteries that you need for solar generators. | ||
| You need minerals to put into the, I mean, at least with the current technology. | ||
| They have used lithium-ion. | ||
| That's one of the big discoveries they found in Afghanistan, was lithium. | ||
| Lithium is pretty valuable stuff. | ||
| And then when they convert it into batteries, you've got to get that out of the ground. | ||
| You've got to get it out of the ground. | ||
| So anybody thinks that you've got this completely green, clean thing because it's made out of batteries. | ||
| No, it's just not using as much fossil fuel every day. | ||
| That's what he was saying. | ||
| He said that when you add it up, it really isn't all you think it's going to be. | ||
| It takes fossil fuel to make a car, too. | ||
| That's another thing that people aren't taking into consideration. | ||
| And there's no tires other than rubber tires. | ||
| I mean, you got to use synthetic materials to make tires. | ||
| They haven't come up with a hemp tire yet. | ||
| Until they come up with something that's absolutely green and biodegradable as a tire, you're always going to deal with... | ||
| They're fucking disgusting. | ||
| I mean, that is toxic waste. | ||
| That's one of the things they do to people in Brazil. | ||
| There was a thing, they do what they call microwave you. | ||
| They put you inside a roll of tires and burn you. | ||
| Yeah, it's because your DNA, it becomes almost impossible to identify you because you just get intermingled with these tires. | ||
| It's just a mess. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Gasoline and tires. | ||
| It's like a fucked up way to get rid of a body. | ||
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I know that's how people destroy vehicles that they want insurance to be destroyed. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| Because the tires melt so hot that it'll actually bend the whole frame of the car, so that way you're guaranteed to get your car. | ||
| People are so silly. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So tell me, man, we were talking about this, but we got off subject. | ||
| What did you do the entire year that you were in solitary? | ||
| Like, what was your day? | ||
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Dude, I would wake up because it was weird. | |
| They would feed us like at 4 a.m. was breakfast, right? | ||
| So they wake you up, feed you breakfast, and you just eat and pass back out, right? | ||
| And then you get up again, like, say, 9 or 10. | ||
| And 10 o'clock would be lunch. | ||
| That's when you get time. | ||
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Lunch. | |
| They have a weird schedule. | ||
| 10 o'clock lunch. | ||
| And then from that point on, I would just read. | ||
| I would read from 10 a.m. until like 11 at night. | ||
| And I would take an hour break to work out. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| But I mean, I read the second year, I kept track. | ||
| I read 117 books. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| But there's nothing, but I could have read way more, but you went out of books. | ||
| You know, you went out of books. | ||
| It's so boring. | ||
| I only came out of my cell every other day for an hour. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| And then just like just fucking bored, dude. | ||
| What is it like to not talk to people for so long? | ||
| I mean, you talk to, I mean, it's just weird, dude. | ||
| It's like a hard to say, but it's like a fucking time warp because when you're in there, the day goes by real slow, but like the months go by quick. | ||
| And then when you get out, it's like, it's like it was all a dream. | ||
| You weren't even in there. | ||
| It's weird. | ||
| It fucks through your head. | ||
| And then like, but it was horrible, man. | ||
| They underfed us so bad, dude. | ||
| They fucking underfed us bad. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| In Las Vegas real bad. | ||
| I was trying to calculate how much protein I thought I was getting a day, and it was like 20, 30 grams, dude. | ||
| Whoa. | ||
| And here's how I know it's bullshit. | ||
| This is in Vegas, especially. | ||
| San Diego is better. | ||
| In Vegas, we only got a piece of fruit like twice a week. | ||
| So we got like an orange like twice or three times a week. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| But it was weird because Mayweather was there, right? | ||
| So when Mayweather got there, dude, his like two-month sentence, fucking, he started bitching at the judge, like, they're not feeding me enough. | ||
| They're giving me shit, food, blah, blah, blah, blah. | ||
| All of a sudden, bam, fruit every day, big portions, all this shit. | ||
| For all of you. | ||
| Everyone, right? | ||
| Because I know why, because they were scared that Mayweather's camp was going to have the people that feed us, you know, investigate me. | ||
| You know, and guess what? | ||
| The second he left, went away. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| No shit. | ||
| I swear to God. | ||
| And I told one of the cool guards. | ||
| He said, hey, man, come here. | ||
| I said, you know, this motherfucker, that as soon as Mayweather started bitching at court, now we got bigger trays and we got fruit every day. | ||
| And then he started chuckling and he laughed. | ||
| He walked away. | ||
| But it's like they knew what was up. | ||
| They were underfeeding the fuck out of us. | ||
| So how many calories do you think you get a day? | ||
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Dude, it was shit. | |
| I hard to say, but no more, less than 1,500. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| It was bad, dude. | ||
| I was fucking starving all the time. | ||
| So it must have been everyone was skinny then? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| If you had money on a commissary, you can buy junk food. | ||
| They sell chips and bullshit like that. | ||
| But that said, they don't sell like healthy options. | ||
| Peanuts was the best. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| I would love them peanuts. | ||
| The food was bad, man. | ||
| It was real bad. | ||
| That was the worst part. | ||
| So For a year, just bad food by yourself, reading books. | ||
| Yeah, just going crazy on it. | ||
| What about what does it feel like to not talk to people for so long? | ||
| You know what? | ||
| It's weird. | ||
| You don't notice most until you get out. | ||
| When you get out, you're like culture shocked. | ||
| Because you go from no interaction, nothing, to like, cars going by, you know what I mean? | ||
| Just like, whoa, you know, like me, I take a medicine for anxiety and depression. | ||
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I take Lexapro because I have panic attacks and anxiety. | |
| I've been on it since like 2006. | ||
| Lexapro is an antidepressant, right? | ||
| SSRI, yeah. | ||
| Mostly, I take it for anxiety because I would get panic attacks. | ||
| Ever since my dad died, I would get them. | ||
| And then like, I just battled them all my whole life and try to, oh, you know, like, I don't want to go to doctor, doctors for pussies, no medicines for pussies, you know? | ||
| And then finally, actually, what happened to me was on Ultimate Fighter House. | ||
| In the Ultimate Fighter House, like the lack of, I was so isolated, nothing to do, nothing. | ||
| It really got me bad. | ||
| And I was having anxiety attacks on the show. | ||
| And it was just like, I was a mess, right? | ||
| So when I got out of the Ultimate Fighter House, I finally said, fuck this, man. | ||
| I'm not going to pretend to be tough anymore. | ||
| I'm just going to go try to get help, you know? | ||
| And that shit made me 95% better, you know, in a lot of ways. | ||
| But when I was in San Diego, they gave it to me. | ||
| In Vegas, they wouldn't give it to me. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah, they fucking wouldn't give it to me. | ||
| They're dicks. | ||
| So the whole year, Vegas was worse because I had a lot of anxiety in there. | ||
| And did you, is there like a wean-off period or did you just cold turkey? | ||
| A cold turkey, and you get withdrawals. | ||
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So like the first, the first like three weeks, I was miserable. | |
| Real bad. | ||
| Like, I don't know, it was bad. | ||
| Then I settled down and I was kind of good, but I was just, it was shitty, man. | ||
| It was shitty. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| So just a year of reading books and being by yourself. | ||
| What about like hugging people and shit? | ||
| Yeah, you see, you get no interaction like that. | ||
| And even the visits. | ||
| In San Diego, the visits were behind glass so I could at least see you, you know, which was a lot better. | ||
| In Vegas, the videos were on Skype kind of thing, you know? | ||
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Really? | |
| So they would come there and they'd be there, but you couldn't, you see them on Skype kind of thing. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| And half the time, the phone didn't work good or the screen didn't work good. | ||
| It was really like, after a while, I told the guards, I don't want no visits. | ||
| Cancel my visits because it made it harder for me. | ||
| Like, you know, you watch movies and people are like, in Vietnam movies, they're like, why didn't you write me back? | ||
| You know, like, I was in the war. | ||
| I wanted to focus on the war. | ||
| I didn't write back their families or whatever. | ||
| I can understand because when I was there, I didn't want any fucking visits. | ||
| I didn't call anybody. | ||
| I just sat there and I read my books. | ||
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And I did my jail blogs every week. | |
| Yeah, I read those. | ||
| Yeah, I did those. | ||
| And I just sat there and just, you're in a bubble, man. | ||
| And it was hard for me because when I was in jail, I was married. | ||
| My wife got deported back to Hungary and all this shit. | ||
| So I didn't even get to say goodbye. | ||
| My grandma died when I was in jail. | ||
| And it was like, my grandma was living in Vegas, like fucking 10 minutes from the jail. | ||
| And I couldn't even say bye. | ||
| She was dying. | ||
| I can't she died, you know? | ||
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And it was like, it was rough. | |
| That was a rough year last year. | ||
| Do you get young kids who might look up to you and they might be kind of going down the same path? | ||
| Do you get guys like that come up to you for advice and you tell them, just don't go to jail, man. | ||
| Whatever you do, figure out a way to get out of trouble. | ||
| Figure out a way to avoid violence. | ||
| Yeah, you know what? | ||
| I do it even in jail. | ||
| You know, I would talk to guys because, I mean, I was there for a fight and I'll talk to other guys, like, you know, especially the first year I was there when I was in general population. | ||
| And I would try to help them. | ||
| Like, hey, man, you're not going to fucking quit the drugs, dude, if you go get back out and hang out with the same friends. | ||
| Like, this is the bottom line. | ||
| You got to quit your friends. | ||
| You got to get new friends and new environment or you're going to go back. | ||
| I don't give a fuck. | ||
| So, you know what I mean? | ||
| Like, these guys, I would say the same thing. | ||
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That's it. | |
| My problem is fighting. | ||
| All right. | ||
| If I go to a bar and get drunk, I'm not going to look for a fight, but guess what? | ||
| If something happens, I know it's a bad recipe. | ||
| You know, your problem is cocaine, but when you get out, you better not be around your friends and do cocaine, dude. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| So I would tell the guys, like, you know, it ain't worth it, motherfucker. | ||
| And these gangs, this gang bullshit. | ||
| I see, like, young kids that were 17, they brought straight from juvenile hall fighting a murder case. | ||
| And he's like, 17-year-old kid, he didn't even do it. | ||
| His friend did it. | ||
| But he's not going to rack because they don't rack. | ||
| You know, he's in a gang and shit. | ||
| But I said, man, your friend's a piece of shit. | ||
| He should have made he did it because you guys are both, you get, they get, they both get life, you know? | ||
| But his life's ruined. | ||
| So I tell the other young kids, man, hey, it ain't worth it, man. | ||
| Talk to the older guys. | ||
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You know, they gotta tell you, the older guys are always like, man, this was bullshit. | |
| I wish I could take my life back, but it's too late. | ||
| And when you are in the wrong environment, man, especially with alcohol, it's so easy to get in trouble. | ||
| I mean, that story that you told about the old man that pushed the tow truck driver, and then next thing you know, he's in jail. | ||
| The next thing you know, he murders a guy in jail. | ||
| And next thing you know, he's probably in jail for life. | ||
| Who knows what happened to him? | ||
| He couldn't afford a good lawyer. | ||
| He was poor, you know. | ||
| We've got a real problem with that. | ||
| There's a real problem with that situation, that particular story. | ||
| It's like this hard buy-the-book shit where they don't look at each individual case as being a separate entity and say, oh, these are circumstances that are pretty unusual. | ||
| I see what's going on here. | ||
| This guy's not a criminal. | ||
| He just overreacted. | ||
| So you can't overreact like that. | ||
| Dude, you got to go to court. | ||
| I've been in court. | ||
| They go to court, they bring the whole bus of us to go to court sometimes. | ||
| And you watch the judges, man, giving out 15 years, 10 years. | ||
| Like, not even looking up in the paper. | ||
| 10 years. | ||
| Like, it's like, what the fuck? | ||
| Like, this guy's giving out years. | ||
| Like, they don't understand how long that is. | ||
| They don't care. | ||
| They don't care. | ||
| They have no... | ||
| But sometimes it's like, fuck it. | ||
| You got to fuck. | ||
| Well, you heard about that judge in Pennsylvania that was putting kids in juvenile detention centers and getting paid for it. | ||
| He was doing it for years. | ||
| He just went to jail. | ||
| They sentenced him to like 25 plus years. | ||
| He's a fucking judge, man, and he was getting payoffs because of the same thing we talked about, about privatized prisons, about prisons making profit off of the amount of people that they have in them. | ||
| Dude, it... | ||
| Fucking madness, man. | ||
| It's fucking... | ||
| You're there for a year, shit diet, fucking no human interaction. | ||
| what is your first week like? | ||
| Uh, so I get out and then how, Well, that's the thing. | ||
| So when I first got out, I was so like, I don't know, man, I'm like, what's it called? | ||
| Conceited or whatever. | ||
| I like to look good, right? | ||
| My whole life I've been in shape. | ||
| My whole life I've been working out. | ||
| So when I got out of jail, I feel like insecure. | ||
| I'm like skinny fat. | ||
| I just have a shitty body. | ||
| I'm pale. | ||
| I feel ugly, right? | ||
| So I didn't get pussy for a month because I was trying to get in decent shape first. | ||
| I just felt like insecure, dude. | ||
| It was weird. | ||
| Plus, the first... | ||
| Both times I got out of jail, the first two weeks were hard, man. | ||
| My anxiety's bad. | ||
| Did you get on the Lexapro right away when you got out? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Right when I got out, I got it right away. | ||
| So the first... | ||
| In jail, I didn't cry ever in jail. | ||
| Not because I'm tough. | ||
| I just didn't cry. | ||
| I don't know why. | ||
| Even my ground-thead, I didn't cry. | ||
| I just sat there numb, right? | ||
| But when I got out, the first two weeks, I would cry every night in bed. | ||
| What the fuck? | ||
| Getting out is so much... | ||
| Shit's hitting you at the same time. | ||
| It's just like... | ||
| Like when I first walked into the gym, I started crying. | ||
| Like just like too much emotion, too much weird... | ||
| From going from no interaction to bam. | ||
| Like on the freeway, this, that, this, that going crazy. | ||
| It's too much, dude. | ||
| And you go sensory overload. | ||
| And I can't even explain it. | ||
| It was just fucking weird. | ||
| Really weird. | ||
| And I'm like... | ||
| You didn't expect that? | ||
| And suicidal too. | ||
| Like I was going to kill myself. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And what was the motivation to kill yourself? | ||
| Like what were you so upset about? | ||
| It's just that you get overloaded with emotion. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| It's weird. | ||
| Like you can't go from... | ||
| You just want it out? | ||
| You can't go from like being in a box to real life. | ||
| They should like gradually like adjust you. | ||
| Like a halfway house? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Something. | ||
| Something. | ||
| Because it's too much at one time. | ||
| And like now everything's real. | ||
| When I was in jail, nothing's real. | ||
| When you're in jail, it's like a... | ||
| It's a fake world, man. | ||
| It doesn't seem real. | ||
| And you get out. | ||
| And it's like that was a dream. | ||
| And now all of a sudden, your wife really got deported. | ||
| Your grandma's really dead. | ||
| Your grandpa's really miserable as fuck. | ||
| Dan wants to die. | ||
| You know, like you have to pay bills. | ||
| Now they want me to fight Paul Daly right off the bat in three months. | ||
| What the fuck? | ||
| You know what I'm saying? | ||
| I'm like too much stress. | ||
| And you start going crazy, dude. | ||
| And you just feel like miserable. | ||
| The hardest part about jail for me was getting out the first few weeks. | ||
| That's a crazy thing. | ||
| So this is the Bellator. | ||
| This is your Bellator contract. | ||
| They wanted you to fight Daly three weeks, three months after you got out of jail? | ||
| Yeah, because what they did was they did a fan fight vote when I was in jail. | ||
| Me, Daly, Saunders, and Lima. | ||
| And like the fans vote. | ||
| And whoever wins the top two votes is going to win. | ||
| I said, Bjorn, I'm going to win, dumbass. | ||
| Like I'm going to win. | ||
| He said, no you're not. | ||
| I said, I'm going to fucking win the vote, dude. | ||
| No one else is going to get more votes than me. | ||
| I'm telling you I'm going to win, dude. | ||
| I don't want to fight. | ||
| I don't want to fight none of those guys in my first fight after three months. | ||
| He's like, you're not going to win, dude. | ||
| Fucking, I won by like 10 times as many votes as anyone else. | ||
| It was like me versus Daly was number one. | ||
| Then me versus Saunders. | ||
| Then me versus Lima. | ||
| It was like, fuck, great. | ||
| So I don't fight in Daly first. | ||
| Like whatever, right? | ||
| Then. | ||
| So what do they say to you when you bring that up? | ||
| Like, I told you, bitch. | ||
| I was like, I told you. | ||
| They're like, fuck, man. | ||
| Like, you killed it. | ||
| Yeah, I'm like, but it wasn't like, it wasn't even a. | ||
| And then it was a tournament. | ||
| So the tournament is three fights. | ||
| So I was like, it was the first fight in the tournament. | ||
| So I'm like, fuck, now I'm getting the first. | ||
| It's like, basically, you got your two top seeds, most popular guys fighting in the first fight for the least amount of money. | ||
| Because, you know, it graduates. | ||
| Like seven and seven in the first fight, 15 and 15, then the rest. | ||
| So it's like, whoever loses in the first round, I want to make seven grand. | ||
| It's like, neither one of us want to make seven grand. | ||
| Like, fuck. | ||
| That's so crazy. | ||
| Seven grand for a professional MMA fight on television. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But that was the same thing in the UFC, too, you know. | ||
| With everyone. | ||
| For lower, yeah, for anyone, you know. | ||
| But either way, like, but the tournament's good because a tournament should be seeded. | ||
| So the two guys, the two best guys should fight at the end. | ||
| It's not in the fucking beginning. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You know, so I was like, fuck. | ||
| Anyway, I'm training, getting back in shape. | ||
| And a month into it, I tore my ACL. | ||
| Bam. | ||
| So I tore my ACL, not a bad tear, not all the way through, but a tear. | ||
| Partial. | ||
| And I fractured my tibia, tibial plateau. | ||
| Oh, Jesus Christ. | ||
| So I'm like, fuck. | ||
| So I just got out, and now this happens. | ||
| And I blame it on the nutrition. | ||
| I think my body and my bones were still leeched from that whole year of starving and bad nutrition. | ||
| I've never been hurt before, you know. | ||
| And right away, bam, my tear. | ||
| I'm sure it didn't help. | ||
| Yeah, you know. | ||
| It also didn't help being out of shape like that and having to force yourself to get, you know, train in a high level. | ||
| So I tear that, and then. | ||
| Did you get it fixed? | ||
| No. | ||
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No. | |
| I still haven't had it fixed yet. | ||
| Really? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| How bad is it? | ||
| Is it buckle? | ||
| No, it is buckle. | ||
| It's pretty strong. | ||
| So it was a partial tear. | ||
| It's a partial tear. | ||
| Yeah, it wasn't bad. | ||
| So did you rehab it in any way? | ||
| Did you do like prolotherapy or anything like that? | ||
| I'm poor, you know. | ||
| You got out of jail, you're real poor, you know. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like when I got out of jail, I was living in my student's garage. | ||
| Like in a garage, you know. | ||
| And I was driving this piece of shit car, and I was broke as fuck, you know. | ||
| So I just like sucked it up. | ||
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And, you know, I figured, how did I make money then? | |
| I don't even remember how I made money. | ||
| So how long have you been fighting for Bellator now? | ||
| Since the last year. | ||
| So then after I fixed my knee, bam, I went and fought Blasavanna. | ||
| First fight back, I T-Killed him in the second round with crucifix. | ||
| Then I went to the tournament, and I fought this guy, Von Anderson. | ||
| He was from China, a white guy, though. | ||
| Yeah, weird guy. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Beat him. | ||
| Called you a jailbird. | ||
| Yeah, he was a dick. | ||
| See, that's the thing. | ||
| I don't ever talk shit about my opponents. | ||
| Like, I'm a wild man outside my shenanigans, but usually when I fight, I come, I'll fight. | ||
| I'll fight as hard as I can, but I'm not going to say shit. | ||
| But if you start it, then I'm nightmare personal. | ||
| And I don't have a... | ||
| To me, you cross the line, cross the line, and that's it. | ||
| I don't play the fucking bullshit game of like, oh, it's for show. | ||
| It ain't for show, motherfucker. | ||
| Like, if you want to play the game, it's for real for me. | ||
| What do you think about Bellator? | ||
| Well, the situation with Bellator that I thought was really strange was the Chandler situation, the Chandler and Alvarez situation, and then the Askren thing. | ||
| Like, how do they let Askren go when he's the champ? | ||
| You know what? | ||
| Like, Bellator is awesome. | ||
| They treat me good, dude. | ||
| I like him a lot, right? | ||
| I think, and Askren, I think really, he's a nightmare, dude. | ||
| He's a fucking nightmare. | ||
| He's invincible, and he's boring, and no one wants to see him fight. | ||
| And it's the truth. | ||
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And he's invincible. | |
| They created a monster, you know what I mean? | ||
| So he wanted to go, good, get the fuck out of here. | ||
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It was almost like they let Alvarez go. | |
| Right. | ||
| Why? | ||
| Because Alvarez is marketable. | ||
| Yeah, because he fights wild. | ||
| Askren, no one wants... | ||
| He doesn't have so many fans. | ||
| And the UFC didn't want him either because he's... | ||
| What if Askren goes there and beats everyone? | ||
| I want to see it. | ||
| Yeah, he won't. | ||
| He has no hands. | ||
| But what if he did? | ||
| Then you got this fucking guy. | ||
| Matt Lillen part two. | ||
| Matt Lillen was invincible. | ||
| Right? | ||
| He lost one time to fucking Dave Terrell. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They fired him because they're like, thank God we got rid of Matt Lillen. | ||
| Because he was not marketable. | ||
| Well, following Nico Vitale, too, he knocked himself out. | ||
| Remember? | ||
| He went to... | ||
| Oh, he threw him on his own head. | ||
| Yeah, he lateral dropped him. | ||
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Yeah, yeah. | |
| And he landed on his own head. | ||
| But still, he didn't deserve to get fired yet. | ||
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they wanted rid of him you know what i mean suplex that's what it was They wanted rid of him. | |
| Yeah, yeah, no, for sure. | ||
| So, like, so now Ashkrin's in no man's land. | ||
| Ashkrin fucked up. | ||
| She just stayed in Bellator. | ||
| He's going to fight in China. | ||
| He's gonna fight in the 1FC, right? | ||
| Yeah, but... | ||
| I think they're paying him good, though. | ||
| They have to be, but, like, he's out of... | ||
| He's... | ||
| Bellator is the second most exposure that you can get. | ||
| 1FC, no one's going to watch. | ||
| Who's going to watch? | ||
| Me, man. | ||
| Me personally, I'm a purist. | ||
| And I feel like if there's a guy like Ben Askren that can hold you down and dry hump you for five rounds, that's what he can do. | ||
| Like if that guy should be able to fight, and if he could take guys down and give them noogies and elbow them and punch them in the head and hold everybody down for five rounds, then that's reality. | ||
| That's reality. | ||
| You can't hide that. | ||
| You can't like not have that guy fight because you're worried he's going to be boring. | ||
| He's doing everything according to the rules. | ||
| Like you can't penalize a guy because you don't particularly like his style. | ||
| And that's my issue that I have with it. | ||
| You can't, but every organization does. | ||
| I think they're crazy. | ||
| I would never do it. | ||
| If I was running Bellator, I would give the guy his fucking money. | ||
| He's the champ. | ||
| Nobody could beat him. | ||
| It's kind of interesting. | ||
| It's kind of interesting. | ||
| You got a boring champ. | ||
| You got a guy like Douglas Lima, who's this fucking beast, smashing people. | ||
| Lima's vicious dude. | ||
| Vicious, vicious dude. | ||
| Takes him down. | ||
| Like nothing. | ||
| Nookie sandwiches, bitch. | ||
| He just beats his ass. | ||
| And Lima's a huge giant. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And Ashkrin's small for every Walter. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| And Ashkrin takes him down. | ||
| No problem. | ||
| Manhandles him. | ||
| But it all comes down to the ratings, dude. | ||
| I don't give a fuck. | ||
| I really think that the ratings are very important, but the product has to be pure. | ||
| As soon as you fuck with things like, you remember when Elite XC was standing people up? | ||
| They'd go down for like 15 seconds and stand them up. | ||
| They stood up big country. | ||
| He had Andre Orlovsky inside control and he's working on a Kimura and they stood him up. | ||
| He had the double wrist lock. | ||
| He had the whole thing up there and they stood him up. | ||
| And I was like, what the fuck is this? | ||
| Side control, you're standing a guy up. | ||
| They stood dudes up from the mount. | ||
| Guys are full mount and they stood him up. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| They wanted to be almost no ground time. | ||
| They wanted almost no ground time. | ||
| But when you do that, you're changing what MMA really is. | ||
| MMA is a fight. | ||
| And in those five minutes, you've got some specific rules. | ||
| You can't kick in the groin, can't poke in the eyes, can't pull a guy's hair. | ||
| Go. | ||
| I mean, you know what the rules are. | ||
| Don't kick a down opponent. | ||
| Everything else you could do. | ||
| And if a guy like Askin could just take dudes down and get on top of them and punch them in the face and they can't do shit about it. | ||
| I mean, he's winning within the rules. | ||
| He's winning. | ||
| You got to let him win. | ||
| You got to let him win. | ||
| You got to let him try to win. | ||
| But it's the only reason I can think why they didn't keep him and why the UFC. | ||
| Why didn't the UFC want him? | ||
| Listen, if the UFC took him and then he fights Johnny Hendrix and gets put into night nightland, that's fantastic. | ||
| That's interesting. | ||
| But UFC, I think, is scared. | ||
| Maybe he won't. | ||
| He could not. | ||
| It's possible. | ||
| It's totally possible if you look at his record. | ||
| Well, one guy gave him a hard time. | ||
| Jay Haron gave a real hard time. | ||
| That would have split decision. | ||
| He can wrestle and box. | ||
| Yeah, he could wrestle anything. | ||
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That's right. | |
| I don't think Hendrix would have killed him. | ||
| His cost check, I think, would kill him. | ||
| Anyone that could wrestle and punch. | ||
| But I want to see it. | ||
| I want to see it. | ||
| I want to see it too. | ||
| I want to see a guy be effective until he can't be effective anymore. | ||
| Like people said, like, they asked me, like, were you sad when Anderson Silva got beat? | ||
| I was like, no, I'm never sad when anybody gets beat. | ||
| I'm sad if someone gets hurt. | ||
| I was more sad the second fight to see a dude fuck his leg up like that. | ||
| But I want to see a guy like Anderson Silva, who looks invincible, a guy figures that out. | ||
| That's the evolution of the game. | ||
| It's all about that. | ||
| And if it was, you know, whoever it was, whether it was Vitor, whether it was Chris Wideman, whoever it is, I like to see these guys figure it out. | ||
| I like to see a guy solve a guy. | ||
| But I mean, that's the only reason that I can say why UFC didn't sign them. | ||
| I don't see it. | ||
| I mean, I don't understand what it is. | ||
| I think it was also the issue that they thought that Bellator was playing games and like, you know, Bellator was, you know, like that they might, you know, say, oh, we cast off our chip. | ||
| We didn't even want him anymore. | ||
| The UFC took him. | ||
| Ha ha. | ||
| They're dummies. | ||
| The guy's boring. | ||
| And when Bjorn was saying that I'm not a fan of his style, you know, like the guy's affected, but he's kind of boring. | ||
| I don't find him boring. | ||
| As a person who grapples, I get fascinated by how the fuck he does it. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I want to roll with the guy because I want to feel it because I don't get it. | ||
| I mean, I see him manhandle dudes. | ||
| And I've wrestled dudes that are real. | ||
| You know who Eric Bradley is? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| High-level wrestler. | ||
| He was training at 10th Planet once. | ||
| We were doing these neon belly drills. | ||
| That dude threw me off him like I was a fucking pillow. | ||
| Like there's certain dudes who have that creepy wrestling strength. | ||
| You know, and when I was on the bottom, when he was doing neon belly on me, I wasn't going nowhere, man. | ||
| That's where I was. | ||
| That's where I was staying. | ||
| And he wasn't any bigger than me, like maybe 10 pounds bigger than me. | ||
| There's something weird that those like Olympic level, high-level grapplers have a weird strength. | ||
| That fucker I was with yesterday, the Olympian, the silver medalist, dude, when he was on top of me, bro. | ||
| He's smaller than me, first of all. | ||
| And I'm strong. | ||
| He felt fucking strong as fuck. | ||
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Retarded, like, just so strong, like, like a rock. | |
| It was something else. | ||
| It's your whole life just grappling. | ||
| Those guys develop freaky strength. | ||
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He just like, like, he doesn't really have that good at jujutsu, so he just could hold me there. | |
| But I couldn't, I'm good at getting up. | ||
| Dude, I was like, fuck, get this guy off me, dude. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| He's stuck on me, you know? | ||
| Yeah, there's some freaky dudes like that, man, that have that freaky grappler strength. | ||
| And obviously, Asprin has it because if you look at his body, I mean, he doesn't look like a bodybuilder at all. | ||
| He doesn't look strong. | ||
| I mean, he looks like an athlete, but he doesn't look like a guy who even does much strength and conditioning. | ||
| He's one of them freaks, you know? | ||
| He just ragdolls people. | ||
| It's weird to watch. | ||
| I was really looking forward to him. | ||
| When they said that Bellator was not going to sign him, I was looking forward to that guy being in the UFC. | ||
| Why stop so many matchups? | ||
| He should be in the UFC. | ||
| Him and Robbie Lawler. | ||
| I would want to see if Robbie could stop that takedown. | ||
| I want to see what happens to him when he gets hit by a demon. | ||
| What if he gets in there with Carlos Condit and if Condit could stop the shot and he's going to stand up with him? | ||
| I want to see him against the real high-level guys. | ||
| Now he's going to be fighting dudes you never heard of in China. | ||
| Maybe Aoki. | ||
| He'll fight Aoki. | ||
| He's over there, right? | ||
| Yeah, he'll just wrestle him to death. | ||
| Do you feel like there's enough options? | ||
| I mean, there's Bellator, there's a UFC, and then there's not this World Series of Fighting, and then there's a WFA. | ||
| There's a few other ones, or what is the RFA? | ||
| RFA, Ed Source's organization? | ||
| I mean, to me, the only legit organizations is UFC and Bellator. | ||
| Like, World Series Farms is legit, but it hasn't been a long time. | ||
| I don't think it's going to last. | ||
| How long is it going to be around? | ||
| You know, these things pop up and they disappear. | ||
| And I heard they're paying kind of too much. | ||
| And I don't know. | ||
| I just don't know if they're really going to last. | ||
| You know what I'm saying? | ||
| They're on NBC late at night, right? | ||
| But I heard they pay for their spot and shit. | ||
| Could they have an infomercial? | ||
| Because the NBC is not promoting it. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Right at all. | ||
| To me, if you're not, you got to be in Bellator or UFC. | ||
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One's badass, too, but you get no exposure. | |
| You can't get sponsors because no one's going to see the fight. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| So you got to be on American TV. | ||
| So you got to be in either UFC or Bellator. | ||
| And to me, like, fucking, I'm happy at Bellator because they give me freedom, dude. | ||
| Like, I know goddamn well. | ||
| People are like, would you ever go back to the UFC? | ||
| Would I ever go back to the UFC? | ||
| The question doesn't matter. | ||
| The answer doesn't matter because guess what? | ||
| I'll be fired every week. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Like, doesn't matter. | ||
| Just for your blowjob tweets. | ||
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Yeah, if I couldn't do shit in the UFC, I'd be fired. | |
| So it doesn't matter if I go back to the UFC. | ||
| I don't want to care about it. | ||
| Right now, what I want to do, I want to fight for Bell Vulture, and I'm going to win. | ||
| I want to do good. | ||
| And I'm going to start this side business with my Navy SEAL friends and the t-shirt company. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| I do alpha male shit t-shirts. | ||
| Which is very funny. | ||
| I love those shirts. | ||
| They're tongue-in-cheek. | ||
| They're funny. | ||
| You know why? | ||
| It's because all these fighters make the mistake of making a t-shirt with like war machine on it. | ||
| Not everyone knows who I am, dude. | ||
| And not everyone likes me. | ||
| So for years, my fucking, my little profile on my Twitter and everything says, all of a sudden, instead of like, you have seen better and bro, it says, I do alpha male shit. | ||
| That's it, right? | ||
| So I said, I'll make that shirt. | ||
| That way, guys will see it and they'll be like, they don't need to know who the fuck I am. | ||
| I don't care about me, but buy the shirt because you like what it says, you know? | ||
| I sell way more. | ||
| If I made a shirt that said War Machine, I wouldn't sell not nearly as much. | ||
| I sell hundreds of these. | ||
| That's funny. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| It's a smart move. | ||
| There's a lot of dudes who want to pretend to be alpha. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| And you know, and like, if I just want to do this, I want to fight in Belvator to do these shirts. | ||
| And me and my Navy SEAL buddies, we're getting a government contract to, we're building a whole curriculum, dude. | ||
| So it's three SEALs, me and Brony. | ||
| And we're building, me and Brony are putting on Navy SEAL gear, and we're going to wrestle in it and shit. | ||
| We're going to actually develop a brand new curriculum from start to finish. | ||
| And we're getting government contracts to train SEALs and green braves around the country. | ||
| That's a great idea. | ||
| And it's going to be fucking lucrative, dude. | ||
| It's going to be money, dude. | ||
| Brandon Wolf, remember him? | ||
| He was an ex-SEAL. | ||
| He fought the UFC. | ||
| He's doing a similar thing on the East Coast. | ||
| But they did opposite. | ||
| They did it where SEALs invented moves and then they had Brandon since he fought to help them teach it. | ||
| So we're doing the opposite. | ||
| We're going to have us wear the shit and invent moves and we're going to teach it. | ||
| But it's going to be like, it's never been done before. | ||
| And we already have like, my buddy has all the government contracts. | ||
| So it could be a thing where if it gets big enough, it could be like where we can hire out other fighters that are done fighting because a lot of us don't have a shit to do, dude. | ||
| Like a lot of us don't have a backup. | ||
| If you're not the champ, you don't make enough money to have a backup plan. | ||
| So if I can make fucking $150,000 a year training SEALs and green braids, this hand-to-hand shit, and then if it gets too big, we could hire fucking this guy and that guy. | ||
| Oh, you're done fighting? | ||
| Come work for us. | ||
| We could train you the moves. | ||
| We could do it. | ||
| That's a smart thing, too, because there's some specialists in on-armed combat when it comes to removing guns from people and removing knives from people. | ||
| There are some specialists. | ||
| But outside of that, most of their hand-to-hand combat shit is bullshit. | ||
| It's not real. | ||
| It's not going to work. | ||
| I was watching this show the other night. | ||
| I was watching this the Sportsman's Network. | ||
| Late at night, they have these self-defense scenarios. | ||
| Like a guy got attacked in an elevator and he's controlling this guy's arm and then he pulls his gun out and he shoots the guy after he's controlling this guy's arm. | ||
| And I'm like, why is that guy just standing there? | ||
| Like he's not going to, you're not going to control a guy's arm like that. | ||
| If a guy knows how to fight, what about his other arm? | ||
| He ain't doing shit about this arm. | ||
| There's so many facts. | ||
| What if he moves? | ||
| What if he pulls his arm out? | ||
| What if he kicks you in the dick? | ||
| Like there's a lot of shit going on. | ||
| What you should know, and this is what I was on Opie and Anthony once and they used to have this dude that worked for them was like this fake karate guy who was talking all this mad stupid shit about you know there's sport and then there's what works on the street like no dummy here's what works what works with trained killers that works on everybody when you when your shit works on anderson silver your shit works on everybody what that's the thing is like you know i've been at it i've been training a long time you know like but i'll be at a jutter gym a new guy will come in he's like oh well like i did crab my guard like right now i could poke your eyes i | ||
| I said, poke him. | ||
| Poke him. | ||
| You can't. | ||
| I said, try to poke him. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Just try. | ||
| Just try. | ||
| And you can't, motherfucker. | ||
| Because if I'm on the mount, you can't reach my eyes and I can reach yours. | ||
| I'll poke your fucking eyes. | ||
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And if you're my guard, you ain't gonna reach my eyes either because I'm gonna have my underhook. | |
| You're not gonna get my eyes. | ||
| Yeah, try biting through my calf. | ||
| Someone said that once. | ||
| I'll bite through your calf if you try to armbar me. | ||
| No, you won't. | ||
| You won't. | ||
| That will hurt. | ||
| That will hurt. | ||
| I'll break your fucking arm. | ||
| Can you bite through a steak if I gave you a fucking giant ham? | ||
| Like a ham that hasn't been cooked yet. | ||
| Do you think you can bite through that? | ||
| No, you can hurt it. | ||
| It'll beouchy. | ||
| It won't feel good. | ||
| That's the whole thing. | ||
| It's like, all right, well, now use your eye pokes with Jiu-Jitsu, motherfucker. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| If you can learn how to mount someone, now you can really poke their eyes good. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And that's the thing with a street fighter. | ||
| It's like, well, it won't work. | ||
| Street fighting is all who's willing to go farther. | ||
| So maybe we're fighting. | ||
| And if you want to try to headbutt me or bite me, either that's gonna scare me, I'm gonna disengage, or I'm gonna go, oh, okay, motherfucker, and I'm gonna do it too. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| So it's always like, who goes farther, who goes farther? | ||
| You know, it's how serious you're willing to get. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| That's why. | ||
| Do you remember those felony fights? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You ever remember that shit? | ||
| There was one of them where a dude held a guy down, he was biting his face. | ||
| It was so fucked up. | ||
| He was holding him down and just biting his face. | ||
| The guy had just giant bite marks on his face, and the guy quit. | ||
| After the dude bit his face, he was like, what the fuck, man? | ||
| He's like, hey, didn't say I can't bite your face. | ||
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He goes, how far are you willing to go, dude? | |
| Yeah, you always hear stories about some dude in some town who bit some dude's nose off. | ||
| You're like, Jesus fucking Christ. | ||
| but he doesn't have his nose off but you're right about about those hand-to-hand guys they don't they don't they don't my friends are seals and they're like they'll do they teach it they said they thought they taught us it's like a keto or something they'll shoot the fuck out of you yeah but hand-to-hand you know they don't know so like if we can invent a curriculum that's legit because always they're never gonna be in a fight but if they're going through a hallway with the gun and someone jumps out of a door and grabs them and they're tangled up they need to be able to defend themselves right then real quick. | ||
| You need to know how to do that. | ||
| And that's something that for the longest time before the UFC came around, really, before MMA came around, people didn't really know what was the stuff that worked. | ||
| Because how many times do you get in a fight in an elevator where you got to pull your gun? | ||
| So dudes would be inventing a bunch of shit that could work. | ||
| And then from here, I'm controlling his arm. | ||
| He's in my position for me to land a devastating elbow. | ||
| And from here, he's done. | ||
| Like, he's not. | ||
| That's why I was in Hungary once visiting my ex-wife's family. | ||
| And I trained there when I was in Hungary. | ||
| And I found a good gym to train. | ||
| Then I found another gym. | ||
| And it was like these fucking Japanese jiu-jitsu, like Akido kind of guy. | ||
| And he was showing me shit for like an hour, just twisting it. | ||
| He was like showing me stuff, but I'm letting him do it. | ||
| I'm like, fuck, this shit's badass. | ||
| Maybe, I said, maybe it does kind of work. | ||
| Then at the end, we wrestled. | ||
| It was fucking, never once was I ever in anything. | ||
| I mean, like, not one thing. | ||
| I didn't even have to defend one thing. | ||
| It was just that it doesn't work. | ||
| It doesn't fucking work. | ||
| Yeah, somebody told me that Aikido is really effective. | ||
| You know, you just have to have a true Akido master. | ||
| I'm like, well, get an Aikido master to fight an Akagon. | ||
| I would love to see it. | ||
| I would love to see a guy just stand there and just flip people like effortlessly, have them soar through the kids. | ||
| I wish it worked. | ||
| Like we were kids, and we watched Steven Segal and Van Dam. | ||
| I wish that shit was the best. | ||
| That's the best. | ||
| It's fun. | ||
| But it just isn't, dude. | ||
| Yeah, no. | ||
| But that's the most important thing about mixed martial arts is that we know now more about martial arts than people did 20, 30 years ago. | ||
| We just know more for a fact. | ||
| We know what's more effective. | ||
| Yeah, because, you know, back in the old days, everyone gets by with like, they don't have to prove it. | ||
| I have the belt. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| This is the best. | ||
| I'm the teacher. | ||
| You stand still. | ||
| I'm going to show you the move. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You don't spoil the fucking teacher. | ||
| You know, like, like, you know, I'm at my gym with Barry Yoshida. | ||
| He's choking me. | ||
| I'm trying to get him. | ||
| We're fighting all day long. | ||
| He's my teacher. | ||
| We're fighting. | ||
| No other martial art do you really fight your teacher. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| And tap your teacher sometimes. | ||
| You know, Eddie Bravo goes to town with his students, and I've seen him get tapped by guys, by black belts or brown belts or what have you, because he takes chances, and he'll fight five guys in a row, and he's exhausted. | ||
| That's what's called training. | ||
| I mean, that's what it's about. | ||
| That's where you want to lose. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| And if you're afraid to lose, then you're afraid to get better. | ||
| If you're afraid to get better, you're going to be stagnant and you're always going to shy away from rolling with anybody that can tap you. | ||
| This is the difference between people that don't understand, that have never trained before. | ||
| If you never trained before, you'll never understand the correct mentality. | ||
| The correct mentality is like Marcelo Garcia has the best statement about that. | ||
| He's like, you have to open up your game in the gym. | ||
| That's the only way to get better. | ||
| You have to give yourself the potential to get tapped. | ||
| If you don't, you're not going to be able to tap a guy. | ||
| But if you do, you figure, just tap, just tap and move on. | ||
| Go next. | ||
| That's like Barret. | ||
| Barrett, I mean, he's small. | ||
| He's fucking 135. | ||
| He's a bad motherfucker, though. | ||
| He's a fucking, and he's a maniac. | ||
| Barrett is a fucking addictive personality to the core. | ||
| His drug is his jiu-jitsu. | ||
| I mean, he's in there three, four times a day, all day long. | ||
| He's a maniac. | ||
| He gets hurt. | ||
| He'll tape his arm to himself and still roll. | ||
| He's a maniac. | ||
| What the fuck? | ||
| Barrett, take a day off. | ||
| He won't. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Like, he'll blindfold himself sometimes and roll. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| He's just a maniac. | ||
| He's a maniac. | ||
| But he always wants to put himself and make it harder for him, you know? | ||
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And he's little and he's like, fuck, he's so small. | |
| I can't just get him. | ||
| But you can't. | ||
| He's super technical, though. | ||
| He's really fun to watch, too. | ||
| Yoshida's a good guy to learn from, I bet, too. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| And he's like one of the most humble guys. | ||
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He'll see a white belt do something weird. | |
| Like, hey, what the fuck? | ||
| What did he just do? | ||
| It wasn't a move, but Barrett's like, then it'd be Barry. | ||
| Well, he doesn't care. | ||
| If you learn a brand new movie you invented yourself in your first day, he'll try it. | ||
| He don't care. | ||
| He has no ego at all. | ||
| That's smart. | ||
| Guys, experience. | ||
| Well, that's a good attitude, man, because you remember there was a big resistance to a lot of the traditional guys when a lot of new stuff was coming along. | ||
| A lot of guys were saying, you don't need it. | ||
| All you need is just straight Gracie Jiu-Jitsu. | ||
| That's all you need. | ||
| But there were so many new moves that people were like, Dars chokes and all this shit that people didn't accept for a while. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| You do Japanese neckties? | ||
| You ever do Japanese neckties? | ||
| Not that one. | ||
| It's when you can't get the Dars. | ||
| If you can't go all the way through and get the Dars, you get it, and you cinch up here and you tuck the guy's head into your chest. | ||
| You roll over him this way and hook a leg and crank it. | ||
| It's a nasty neck crank. | ||
| Yeah, I've seen that one there. | ||
| Bravo's really good at that. | ||
| The Japanese necktie. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Japanese necktie, I guess. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Peruvian necktie, Japanese neck crank, whatever it's called. | ||
| It's a nasty move. | ||
| Instead of completing the Dars, instead of getting it all the way and cinching it like this. | ||
| Sometimes it's hard to get all the way. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Sometimes. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, long arms, guys, like Hodger Gracie. | ||
| Yeah, I got little T-Rex arms. | ||
| But guys like Hodger Gracie, they have that advantage. | ||
| Damian Mai at 170. | ||
| He's got a good long frame at 170. | ||
| He's an interesting guy at 170 because that was the guy that like, I never thought he was going to be able to cut that weight. | ||
| That's a big dude for 170 pounds. | ||
| He has like Nathan Marcourt, too. | ||
| I couldn't believe he cut weight to 70. | ||
| He apparently was walking around at like 185 when he was fighting at 185. | ||
| Oh, was he? | ||
| Yeah, apparently. | ||
| He didn't look so big. | ||
| I never seen him in person though, but he looks huge. | ||
| Well, he's muscular, you know, but apparently he never really cut much weight at all and fought at 185. | ||
| That dude, there's people that talk about him from the time when he was coming up and entering into the UFC, about how fucking good he was before he got into the UFC, back when he was fighting in Strike Force or back even before then. | ||
| That he was always sparring with big, big, heavy guys, though. | ||
| He would spar with Shane Carwin. | ||
| They came up at the same gym. | ||
| So he'd be in there, guy fighting at 170, 185, fighting Shane fucking Carwin at 265. | ||
| And they'd be going to war with each other on a regular basis. | ||
| And then a fight, like, another watch was nothing. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, you're going to hit me? | ||
| I get hit by Shane Carwin every day. | ||
| And well, not only that, I mean, he's also taking those shots. | ||
| And like, guys who know him think that it's probably contributed to his demise. | ||
| Oh, his chin. | ||
| His chin went away. | ||
| Yeah, because, you know, those dudes, Trevor Whitman's dudes, you can't sparrow with them big guys, dude. | ||
| I mean, like, unless they're really, really controlled. | ||
| But even like I sparrow with like Ray Seffo and like a couple guys at coutors that are big, but they're going soft. | ||
| But even them going soft, dude, it fucking, if they hit you, you know what I mean? | ||
| Even they check your kick, Ray Seffo's knees or even like that wide. | ||
| Yeah, or they kick you. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Even a soft. | ||
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A heavyweight kicks you in the leg soft and it lands. | |
| That weight is still heavy and it still hurts your leg more than any alter weight ever, you know? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So I stay away from the heavyweights unless they're super, super controlled. | ||
| Yeah, that's smart. | ||
| That's how a lot of guys get back injuries too. | ||
| Rolling with heavyweights, they get twisted up and cranked. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| because you get sprawled on real hard. | ||
| One time I fucking shot on Gabriel Gonzaga. | ||
| You're right, dude. | ||
| Gonzaga squashed me like a bug, dude. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Beast, huge, and he moves good. | ||
| He's a giant, thick guy. | ||
| When he walks onto the scale, when Gonzaga's different than anybody else in the UFC, when he gets on the platform, you feel like the weight of just his... | ||
| But he's a dude that trains all the time in Ludlow, Massachusetts. | ||
| He's not training like real good guys out there. | ||
| He's got massive potential. | ||
| I mean, Jiu-Jitsu world champion, badass jiu-jitsu, knockout power, but he's like a step behind the very best guys. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I saw that the last thing on the UFC did about him. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They followed him around. | ||
| What's cool, though? | ||
| You know, you see his life there is really good, obviously. | ||
| He's got a nice gym. | ||
| The people love him. | ||
| You know, he's a great jiu-jitsu coach, too. | ||
| He's a nice guy, dude. | ||
| Very, very nice guy. | ||
| I remember one time I was at WC Wayne's. | ||
| He came up to me. | ||
| He's like, hey, man, it was close after I fought J-Rock. | ||
| He's like, oh, that was a good fight. | ||
| And I was like, fuck it. | ||
| That was awesome. | ||
| I was like, you, motherfucker, your fight was good with Crocop. | ||
| That was crazy. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| But he used to have him say that maybe. | ||
| Now I loved him. | ||
| Like, oh, I love him now. | ||
| He's a very nice guy. | ||
| His knockout of Crokop was the all-time greatest head kick knockout ever. | ||
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Plus, because it was a, how is he going to win? | |
| The last on all the lists of lists is head kick. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's Crokop's fucking move. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Like, you're never going to invent, guess that move. | ||
| He head kicked the guy who's responsible for more head kick highlight reel knockouts than anybody. | ||
| Like when you watch a Crokop in Pride, his whole career was head kicked. | ||
| What happened to him? | ||
| Why did he not do good in the UFC, dude? | ||
| It's a lot of questions. | ||
| Juice? | ||
| Could be that. | ||
| Could be juice. | ||
| Could be punishment. | ||
| The amount of punishment his body took. | ||
| All those fights with Fedor, the fights with Noguera, fights with, I mean, you think about how many guys he fought. | ||
| It took a lot of fucking hard, hard fights. | ||
| Because in Pride, he was scary. | ||
| He was a monster. | ||
| In his first fight in UFC, he fought Eddie Sanchez, right? | ||
| and like they told Eddie Eddie did that as a But he didn't do shit to Eddie, really. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Not much. | ||
| He definitely didn't look like the same crow cop. | ||
| Right, he never did ever say. | ||
| But it could just be that it was the end of the run. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Guys just, they can only keep it up for so long, man. | ||
| They could only keep it up for so long. | ||
| You know, he was a great, great, great fighter when he won the Pride Open Weight Grand Prix. | ||
| I mean, he was a motherfucker back then when he knocked out Vanderlay. | ||
| The Cro Cop that knocked out Vanderlay was one of the baddest motherfuckers ever. | ||
| Because he had like, he first fought Vanderlay. | ||
| He didn't know shit about the ground game. | ||
| And they had like a weird first, the first fight was like weird rules. | ||
| Like they'd only go to the ground for like 30 seconds or something. | ||
| And he like tied Vanderlay up and would hang on. | ||
| But when they would be standing up, he wasn't free to uncork shots because he was still worried about the wrestling. | ||
| But the second fight, he had his takedown defense down. | ||
| He had a good sprawl at the end. | ||
| And he lit Vanderlay up like a Christmas tree. | ||
| That was one of the best performances of his career. | ||
| It's his second fight with Vanderlay. | ||
| But yeah, man, who knows? | ||
| I mean, every fighter, they got a window. | ||
| You got a window of time where you could perform at that level. | ||
| And when you're 37, 38, 39, it's just slowly winding down. | ||
| And then that's it. | ||
| There's not much left after that. | ||
| You know, these guys that perform at that super high level, well, it's Vandeley and Pride. | ||
| Think about that. | ||
| Vandeley was never the same Vandeley when he got to the UFC. | ||
| But he was still pretty good, though. | ||
| Pretty good. | ||
| But still wild. | ||
| No, and Pride was crazy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, he was dominant in Pride. | ||
| That's the difference. | ||
| He's still wild in the UFC. | ||
| He still beat Kung Lee. | ||
| But then he gets knocked out by Lieban. | ||
| It was weird. | ||
| He fucked up. | ||
| He tried to go to war with Lieban. | ||
| You can't stay in the pocket with Lieban because he can take it. | ||
| Lieban can take it. | ||
| And the motherfucker hits hard. | ||
| Chris Lieban's left hand is a battering ram. | ||
| That motherfucker's got a real hard left hand. | ||
| It's a matter of him being able to hit you. | ||
| Like the Uriah Hall fight, he just couldn't catch Hall. | ||
| Hall was just too good. | ||
| But Vanderlay went chin to chin with him. | ||
| Well, they're the same style, that Wyatt style, you know? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But, you know, like Vanderlay is still, like, the Brian Stan fight was a great fight. | ||
| Still capable of putting on great fights. | ||
| It's just not the same Vanderlay as the Vanderlay that beat like Randall or like Quentin Jackson or the Vanderlay that beat Sakuraba or the Vanderlay that beat Henderson the first fight. | ||
| I mean, he was a destroyer. | ||
| He was a scary fucker. | ||
| But there might have been a little bit of help there. | ||
| Might have had a little bit of help. | ||
| They had to. | ||
| They all do. | ||
| I know they do, but I know they do, but it's like what I think happens is that some fighters, if your first fight is on juice, then you mentally are dependent on it. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| So I think the guys that can't perform without it are those ones that they always had it. | ||
| But I think the guys that fought a lot of times without it and then have and having it and then have, they can do either way. | ||
| But I think some guys, if they've done it from day one, then they rely on the juice. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Well, we only have a couple minutes left, but I want to ask you one thing about, because this is like the hot topic now in MMA, is testosterone replacement. | ||
| These guys that are like 29 years old and replacing their testosterone. | ||
| And there's a real issue now because Vitor is going to fight Chris Wideman, and they're going to fight in the United States. | ||
| And they're going to fight in Vegas, which is a really hard place to get a testosterone exemption, especially if you tested positive for juice, which Vitor has in the past. | ||
| So he might not get a testosterone use exemption, which is fucking crazy because he's been fighting at this insane level for the last year. | ||
| The Bisbing fight, the Luke Rockhold fight, the last Dan Henderson fight. | ||
| I mean, he looks like a fucking demon. | ||
| I mean, the new Vitor on testosterone replacement looks like a fucking demon. | ||
| But what is going to happen to him if he has to get off of it to fight wideman? | ||
| See, here's the thing with testosterone or steroids is that, so say a guy abuses it when he's young, which Vitor probably did back in the day, I think, for sure. | ||
| Too long when you're young. | ||
| Well, guess what? | ||
| You never came off. | ||
| You never fucking did it right. | ||
| Your balls turn off, but they don't turn back on. | ||
| So now he may be young, but his balls don't work. | ||
| So now he needs testosterone therapy for really, really does. | ||
| So if you don't let him have it, you're hurting him. | ||
| but at the same time, other guys, maybe they just do it because they want a juice. | ||
| So, they get a bullshit doctor to say, Hey, man, you're a fan, give me this prescription, you know? | ||
| So, it's a fucked up thing. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| But at the end of the day, if a doctor prescribes it, doctor has a lot, it's supposed to have the last rule. | ||
| He's a doctor. | ||
| So, you know, doctors, you know, they're supposed to be infallible and like, you know, honest and stuff. | ||
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And we all know that no one is, but some guys need it, man. | |
| Some guys that they abused theiroids and they're younger, and now they have to have it. | ||
| Yeah, but their argument is that those guys shouldn't be allowed to fight because in doing so, your natural hormone levels drop during training camp because you train hard and you're breaking down your body. | ||
| It's natural for your hormone levels to drop. | ||
| But these guys, their hormone levels are not dropping because they're keeping them at a consistent level. | ||
| If they have to take twice the amount of unnatural testosterone in order to do that, they're still doing that. | ||
| And so they have an unfair advantage in training camp by taking that. | ||
| And I think that's a good argument, man. | ||
| It's a good argument. | ||
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It's tough, but I think every sport juices, period. | |
| A lot of them do. | ||
| That's for sure. | ||
| Every sport. | ||
| Not every guy in every sport, but every sport dues juice in football, baseball, I don't give a shit. | ||
| Well, it works. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| And people are always going to try to find a way to juice and cheat. | ||
| So, you know what I mean? | ||
| It's just a fascinating situation when you got Vitor who's streaking, who's looked better than ever, but now he's going to have to fight wide, but he might not get a testosterone use exemption. | ||
| The kid's real weird, right? | ||
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Yeah, it's like a... | |
| You can't say yes to one fight and then no to the next fight. | ||
| That's why it's not fair. | ||
| You got to say, all right, man, if you're on this shit, you guys can't fight no more. | ||
| Well, he's only been fighting in Brazil. | ||
| That's the crazy thing. | ||
| He's been fighting in Brazil for the last, like, in Brazil, they'll let him fight on PCP. | ||
| They're like, we will get a new PCP prescription for Vitor. | ||
| Yeah, I don't know, man. | ||
| He's a fucking hero over there. | ||
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But, yeah, that's a tough subject, man. | |
| It is a tough subject because I would like to see him at this level, the level that he fought Dan Henderson, I would like to see him fight Wideman. | ||
| And it might very well be that the only way he could reach that level is on TRT. | ||
| So I don't know. | ||
| They didn't stop testing. | ||
| Fuck it. | ||
| But you take LexiPro. | ||
| You take Lexapro, and you take Lexapro while you're fighting all throughout your camp. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Now, if they said that there's an advantage that you don't get anxiety where everybody else is freaking out and they all get anxiety, do you think there's anything to that? | ||
| I still get anxiety, but I mean, everyone before the fight is nervous. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Because it control your nerves in some way. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, here's the thing. | ||
| I still get nervous, but before I was way more nervous than I should have been because I have anxiety and the panic attacks. | ||
| So it manages my nervousness to where I should be. | ||
| I'm a normal nervous instead of a retarded nervous. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
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Right. | |
| You're not falling apart. | ||
| But I'm not backed like that. | ||
| Like totally like. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| I'm still nervous, like any other fight, but not like I was before my medication. | ||
| It doesn't make your tail spin. | ||
| No, no. | ||
| But in saying that most of fighting is mental, a big part of it is mental. | ||
| Isn't that an advantage to take something like that? | ||
| For example, if they said I can't take it no more, it would fuck with me because I've been relying on it, you know? | ||
| I rely on it not for fighting, I rely on it for life. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| So it would fuck me a lot for me, you know what I mean? | ||
| But I'm not sure what it would do to him. | ||
| I don't know if it would help your nerves before the fight or not. | ||
| I don't know how that would work. | ||
| See, because it's an interesting argument because on one hand, I want you to take it because I think that if it benefits you as a person and there's a drug that someone invented that has a positive effect on your life and it makes your life better, then of course you should be on it. | ||
| I mean, that's a good thing. | ||
| It's a good thing. | ||
| If something comes along and gives you less anxiety and you feel good and you're still living a healthy life, that's a good thing. | ||
| That's a positive thing. | ||
| But when it comes to performance, like there's certain things like I know the, you know, like Adderall, like fighters aren't allowed to fight on Adderall and some guys have prescriptions for Adderall. | ||
| Yeah, but Adderall, Adderall is just speed, dude. | ||
| Is it just speed? | ||
| I mean, look at the generic Adderall is a fetamine salt. | ||
| But for ADD guys, is there any benefit to it? | ||
| Does it actually help them? | ||
| It helps you study. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Say like you have AD real bad and you just can't concentrate your spazz. | ||
| You can't read the book. | ||
| It'll help you study. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| But dudes that fucking have a prescription for Adderall that aren't in school are full of shit. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| I mean, it's not a real, a doctor would tell you, it's not a real fucking thing. | ||
| It's speed, dude. | ||
| It's giving you energy and you don't have energy because of whatever. | ||
| Yeah, so like guys I think that have Adderall prescriptions that fight MMA, it's because like they do the train. | ||
| They train harder. | ||
| You're fucking Adolf Hitler invented or the Nazis invented meth or you know to make their soldiers march better and longer and on less food. | ||
| So if you could be hopped up on that all day long and train, you know, it'd probably be good, you know? | ||
| Yeah, it's interesting, man. | ||
| I think that Adderall is a weird one. | ||
| I've never done it, but the people that do do it say it's fucking awesome for a bunch of different shit. | ||
| People snort it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Chick snorted. | ||
| It's speed. | ||
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It's basically like, it's like you're too proud to do meth. | |
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Like, oh, method, that's drugs. | ||
| My doctor gives me this. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Did your doctor tell you to snort it, motherfucker? | ||
| No, your doctor tells you to snort it. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| All right, War Machine. | ||
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| Follow him. | ||
| Go to his Instagram as well. | ||
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| Because War Machine will show his dick. | ||
| Not on Instagram. | ||
| On Twitter, though, right? | ||
| Yeah, maybe, yeah. | ||
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| I think it'd be cool. | ||
| And your next fight in Bellator. | ||
| When can people watch you? | ||
| It's March 14th. | ||
| It's on Spike TV. | ||
| It's in Hammond, Indiana, right by Chicago. | ||
| And is this the beginning of the tournament? | ||
| The new 170 tournament? | ||
| The new tournament, first round. | ||
| I got this guy named Nashon Burrell. | ||
| I'm going to smash that dude. | ||
| Hopefully I fight Joe Briggs next. | ||
| Good luck to you, brother. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| It was fun talking to you, man. | ||
| We're going to do this again. | ||
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