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Feb. 18, 2014 - The Joe Rogan Experience
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Joe Rogan Experience #457 - Ari Shaffir
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ari shaffir
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brian redban
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joe rogan
Hello, sweet bitches.
That's right, the time has come once again.
Ari Shaffir is eating nature box.
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ari shaffir
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ari shaffir
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ari shaffir
Yeah, they just called it.
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ari shaffir
When I worked at a law firm, they billed my hours at $25 an hour to the clients.
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ari shaffir
He's a good man.
joe rogan
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ari shaffir
Are these really nutritious?
joe rogan
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unidentified
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joe rogan
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brian redban
What are some of those that you have over there, Ari?
ari shaffir
Well, I got the harvest rice sticks, but I have to try.
Same for those for later.
joe rogan
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ari shaffir
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joe rogan
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ari shaffir
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joe rogan
They're yummy.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
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ari shaffir
Yeah, pretty bad for you though.
joe rogan
Yep, not good.
ari shaffir
I live next to a Pink Dot.
I just go down there when I get hungry and high.
joe rogan
I remember eating Cheetos one time.
You and I went to Pink Dot and we were eating subs.
Remember they used to make subs?
ari shaffir
They still have that.
joe rogan
They still have that?
brian redban
Yeah, they do and they're awful.
joe rogan
Well, they were good at one point in time.
Some of them were good.
I had an Italian there that was pretty good.
And I ate all these fucking Cheetos.
I must have ate like a giant bag of Cheetos and I felt so bad.
unidentified
My body was like, what did you do?
brian redban
I did that last night.
joe rogan
For just a little bit of mouth pleasure, you fucking ruined the whole body for hours and hours.
ari shaffir
Cheetos, you can taste a lack of nutrition.
joe rogan
Your whole body just like...
What's this that you just shoved in the machine, you asshole?
ari shaffir
This is unleaded!
It says unleaded!
joe rogan
This is not the shit you're supposed to put in here.
I know, but mouth pleasure.
unidentified
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joe rogan
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ari shaffir
Nature does not ship for free.
joe rogan
I try and try and try to understand what the fuck they mean.
ari shaffir
Nature ships for free.
joe rogan
No, you have to go to Nature and pick it up.
It doesn't ship.
ari shaffir
Even if you live in Nature, it still doesn't come to you.
joe rogan
The only way Nature ships for free is if you're talking about pollen.
ari shaffir
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
I guess pollen flies through there.
ari shaffir
Are there any pollen products on NatureBox?
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
I don't think we sell pollen.
unidentified
I don't think we're selling pollen over at Nature's Box.
brian redban
Yeah, birds?
joe rogan
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ari shaffir
What does that mean?
joe rogan
It doesn't mean anything.
Someone wrote it and they just shouldn't...
They should've said, ah, that's ridiculous.
ari shaffir
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joe rogan
They just forgot.
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ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
And they let it slide.
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joe rogan
Nature doesn't ship for free, son.
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ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
Doesn't make any sense.
brian redban
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joe rogan
What'd you say?
brian redban
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ari shaffir
Oh yeah, our box.
brian redban
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joe rogan
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ari shaffir
Now I get it.
joe rogan
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unidentified
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These kettlebells that we have made, we have artistic kettlebells too, the zombie bells and the primal bells.
And what they are is kettlebells that look badass.
They look like They're sculptures.
They're made by this kid, Steven...
This kid.
unidentified
These young kids these days with their artistic talent.
joe rogan
This man.
He might not be a kid.
I don't even know his age.
Steven Shubin Jr. He created the primal bell.
Yeah, the monkey one and the apes.
And then he also did the new ones, which are zombie bells.
They're all balanced out.
Because one of the things about kettlebells is it's all about swinging this ball, this heavy steel ball.
And it's all about balancing it and controlling it.
And if the ball was off, like with these faces, it could easily be off.
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To make sure that they still are kettlebells that you can train with with no problems.
I train with my gorilla all the time, and you can work out with it just like a rugged kettlebell.
You just have to be cognizant of where the head is facing, but you should know that anyway, and you'll be fine.
But I train with them.
They're really my favorite all-time exercise for strength and conditioning.
And I don't even mean if you're an athlete.
If you're an athlete, they're fantastic.
I mean, they're really great for...
Also for educating your body to work as one unit, carrying a heavy kettlebell and doing things like cleans and presses and things along those lines.
But it's also, they're great for regular life.
They're great for just being able to pick up a couch and help move it.
It's better to have a body that works a little better, a body that can be strong, a body that doesn't break when you try to bring home groceries.
Get your shit together, bitch.
That's what I'm trying to say.
brian redban
I like how the little bitch one is a goblin.
It's not even a zombie.
joe rogan
The little one is a goblin?
Is that what they're saying?
brian redban
Yeah, it says it's a brain zoblin.
ari shaffir
Brain zoblin?
joe rogan
What does it say?
Brain goblin?
I think it's a...
I think that's still a zombie, dude.
brian redban
A goblin is not a zombie.
ari shaffir
They should have one that's shaped like a pretty girl going to work.
brian redban
Yeah, I mean, this doesn't look like a ghost face thriller.
It's just a funny name.
joe rogan
But doesn't it look like a zombie to you?
brian redban
That looks like a zombie.
That doesn't look like a ghost.
ari shaffir
No, no ghost.
There's no ghost there.
That's solid mass.
brian redban
Yeah, I can't see through that shit.
ari shaffir
Yeah, that ain't ghost-like.
It's Frankenstein-ish, if anything.
brian redban
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's a zombie, dude.
That's not a goblin.
ari shaffir
Oh, wait.
Zombies are the ones that...
No, that...
Yeah, it's definitely not a ghost.
unidentified
Yeah.
Well, can't ghosts look like anything?
Who's to say?
brian redban
You can see through a ghost.
joe rogan
You know what's fucked up, man?
It's really fucked up what they've done with vampires.
ari shaffir
What do you mean?
joe rogan
They've given new rules to, like, vampires.
ari shaffir
Oh, really?
You can go out in the sun as long as Seattle, you mean?
joe rogan
Well, two people did it.
It happened twice.
Once it happened with Blade, which I forgave.
ari shaffir
It was ridiculous, but I forgave.
Why was he a daywalker?
joe rogan
He's a half-vampire.
He was born.
His mom was bitten, and he was born, and he became half vampire.
Not like totally vampire, some weird sort of hybrid thing.
So, Stephen Dorff was the main vampire dude, and he could go outside with sunscreen on.
ari shaffir
Oh, really?
joe rogan
Yes.
unidentified
That's so cool.
joe rogan
It's so ridiculous.
That's the worst.
No, you can't.
No, you better have magic or something.
You can't just fucking put sunscreen on.
You're a vampire, man.
You burn instantly into ashes.
ari shaffir
It was some studio execs.
Like, hey, we wrote this part.
But he's outside during the day.
Like, we'll figure it out, writer.
joe rogan
I don't remember that from the comic book either, because Blade was a favorite comic book of mine.
I was always a big Marvel comic book fan.
I love Blade.
ari shaffir
I don't even remember that as a comic book.
joe rogan
Oh, he was awesome.
He'd fight fucking, fight vampires and shit.
He used a teak knife in all those books.
ari shaffir
It was cool when he showed up at that party.
joe rogan
Dude, he was cool, too.
Look, man, I know I was supposed to fight that guy, but I'm a Wesley Snipes fan.
I think he was awesome.
ari shaffir
Is he still in prison?
joe rogan
No, he's out now.
He's back doing movies again.
He was awesome in Blade.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
Apparently he was completely crazy by the time Blade 2...
ari shaffir
By the time Blade 2...
joe rogan
Audit.com, Rogan, use the code word Rogan.
This is where we're obviously doing a podcast.
Fuck the music, man.
Ari Shaffir is here.
We don't have to do this.
Yeah.
By the time he was doing Blade 2 or 3, apparently he was off the handle.
Patton Oswalt wrote a whole blog entry about it.
ari shaffir
On Meeting I'm Into?
joe rogan
Describing it.
Describing it.
He might have performed it somewhere.
He might have performed it.
I'm not sure.
ari shaffir
I remember hearing about it, I think.
joe rogan
Holy shit, it was crazy.
It was like Ryan O'Neal and him.
And apparently, Wesley was gone.
He was just off the deep end crazy on the set.
And so they replaced him with what Patton called much cooler black guys.
They replaced him with another guy.
ari shaffir
Who just did the scenes?
joe rogan
Yeah, did the martial arts stuff.
Yeah.
ari shaffir
Because I couldn't deal with him?
unidentified
I don't know.
joe rogan
I don't know what the fuck happened.
ari shaffir
Wasn't he already sort of a movie star?
He went crazy in between there and there?
unidentified
Yeah, I think probably some substances were involved.
ari shaffir
Oh yeah, it's always that.
joe rogan
It's usually.
ari shaffir
It's always that.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ari shaffir
And you see them taking whatever and you're like, oh, oh.
joe rogan
It's also, I don't think we can imagine what it's like to be that famous.
I think for some people, it's just, and then you get hooked up with the wrong people in your life and you're fucking around with the wrong friends and getting in trouble.
ari shaffir
It happens to so many of them.
Elvis.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Yeah, it's a drug.
Well, the nature of the business, like if you're a person who's in the limelight that heavily, like the nature of the business becomes very bizarre.
You know, the nature of your reality, you're getting around.
ari shaffir
Yeah, everyone treats you like a commodity.
joe rogan
We were talking about Justin Bieber, like how Justin Bieber, the kid's like, everywhere he goes, people fucking freak out just to see him.
He's like some weird alien.
We can't imagine what the fuck that's like.
ari shaffir
I just feel bad for him now.
joe rogan
Sort of, in a way, I mean, it's not an ideal way to live.
It seems awesome, like, don't feel bad, he's got all this money, but it's a crazy, like, burden to throw on somebody.
ari shaffir
Brent Tobler told me he got into an elevator with Jessica Simpson, and she turns to the woman she's with us and goes, he's not supposed to be in here.
What?
Yeah, he was just going up to whatever his room was in.
joe rogan
No way.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
brian redban
Wow.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
Well, you know what, though?
ari shaffir
How do you start expecting that?
This is wrong!
joe rogan
It is totally wrong, but in her defense, to be her as a woman and be super duper stupor famous, she must be so vulnerable.
It must be weird to the opportunity for a guy to get in an elevator with her.
Like, men want to fuck her.
ari shaffir
When she's not used to it.
joe rogan
So much.
There's so many men who, like...
And a guy who knows that he could probably physically take advantage of her and can't believe that he's in her presence in a trapped environment like an elevator.
ari shaffir
Right.
joe rogan
If he's a really creep, you know?
ari shaffir
He would go to town.
joe rogan
He could.
ari shaffir
He would ravage her.
joe rogan
Be horrible.
I mean, you're much more vulnerable as a woman if you're that stupor famous.
ari shaffir
So you think she puts in a rider when she goes to a hotel?
It's like, okay, but you gotta let him know.
No one can ride with me.
joe rogan
No, you can't do that.
She might have rules that her security follows.
Her security, you know, she might have rules.
She doesn't want security to let anybody in the hotel lobby with her or let anybody in the elevator with her.
ari shaffir
I don't know.
joe rogan
She might.
But it's like, people don't have to listen to that.
ari shaffir
Yeah, but how do you stay normal after that?
After no one's allowed to be in the elevator with you?
joe rogan
Well, here's the thing about you and I, is that we're stand-up comedians.
And by being a stand-up comedian, you're all the time forced to look at everything.
You look at yourself.
You look at what you're saying.
You look at the world around you.
You're looking for jokes in things.
You're looking for jokes in yourself.
You're looking for jokes in your own life.
A lot of people don't do that ever.
They're not ever thinking about their behavior.
They're just doing what they can get away with.
And they're acting as fucking Looney Tunes off the deep end as they can get away with it.
As they continue to get away with more and more Looney Tunes shit.
ari shaffir
They get worse and worse.
joe rogan
Well, that's what the whole Diva thing is all about, man.
I mean, she has so much power to yell and scream at people.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
Why is that?
What's going on there?
ari shaffir
They said, Roseanne, every more year she had her show, they were just firing more showrunners.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
She was on the podcast talking about it.
ari shaffir
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah, she was talking about it.
ari shaffir
Just like getting rid of people.
joe rogan
Well, she talked about how crazy she went.
ari shaffir
Really?
joe rogan
Yep.
Wow.
Yeah, she's pretty open about it.
I mean, she's essentially saying what you're saying.
She's saying that nobody can handle it.
It's just too...
ari shaffir
One after another, they all fall.
joe rogan
It's too hard.
ari shaffir
Justin Bieber, there's no way he's normal.
joe rogan
No way.
ari shaffir
There's no way.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ari shaffir
He was trying to rush people.
Dude, you're scrawny, man.
joe rogan
He's so young, too.
You know, for him to be so young and to have that happen to him.
It's a fucking wild ride, man.
That's not a normal ride of life.
You're not a man yet.
You're a child and you're adored.
That's not supposed to happen that way.
You're supposed to feel insecure.
ari shaffir
You can see how they become that King Joffrey.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
Exactly.
I mean, he's not.
ari shaffir
You were raised in that?
joe rogan
I'm sure he's not.
I'm sure a lot of it is exaggerated.
He seems like a nice kid.
I met him once.
I shook his hand in his dad's hand at the UFC. Really?
Yeah, I mean, he seems like a nice kid.
unidentified
Do you tremble?
joe rogan
What do I know?
I didn't know who he was.
I didn't know who he was until I was shaking his hand.
Like, as I was shaking his hand, I was like, that's not a singer, kid.
This was a while ago, but he's much more famous now than even he was then.
Like, he's like in some crazy stratosphere of fame thing now.
But, I think all of us...
ari shaffir
Does he just exude fame where you're like, Jesus.
joe rogan
No, no, no, no, no.
He was just a nice kid.
Just came over and said...
I realized as I was shaking his hand that it was Justin Bieber.
Like I said, this was like two years ago.
Probably two.
Might even be three.
Nice is all well and good, but being able to handle that kind of fame, I couldn't imagine how anybody could not Elvis it.
ari shaffir
There's no way!
There's no way!
joe rogan
It seems like your reality is just so bizarre.
ari shaffir
Yeah, if you're just entitled to something, you were just like, alright, I'll just take it.
joe rogan
Yeah.
brian redban
Do you think they're just picking on him to a point where, like, I mean, they're, like, making news stories of him peeing in a mop bucket.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
brian redban
You know what I mean?
They're making news stories of him being a 21-year-old egging his neighbor's house.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
Well, hold on.
ari shaffir
I think that was real.
brian redban
No, no, no.
But it is real.
But, I mean, when I was 21...
ari shaffir
It's like, right, that's what I'm saying.
We all did that.
brian redban
We all did that.
Yeah.
ari shaffir
We're not any better than that.
joe rogan
But a 21-year-old that's got $500 million or whatever he's got, that becomes more interesting to people.
You have to get mad at him.
ari shaffir
You pee in a bucket.
You have that much money.
He's got to pee.
joe rogan
He's alive.
unidentified
You're drunk.
joe rogan
The house, the egging the house thing, I kind of disagree.
I don't think there's anything wrong with that.
Yeah.
I don't think there's anything wrong with that being a story.
I think that's a real important story.
brian redban
Yeah, I agree, but he got caught.
But it's like, that is the worst.
Like, all these other things are just so minor.
ari shaffir
It's like Miley Cyrus.
Like, well, yeah, you're 19 and slutting it up.
Yeah, you're from the fucking south.
Of course.
That's perfect.
On target.
brian redban
I bet you if you were hanging out with him, it would be just like hanging out with your friends.
Oh, you want to smoke weed?
Oh, dude, let's get a little fast in the car.
Oh, let's do this.
And then of all those things that you've did, they've made stories out of all these little minor details.
Every time you go on TMZ, it's something stupid.
Like, Bieber did this.
He flicked off.
There was smoke coming out of his car.
joe rogan
Well, he becomes the show.
See, the problem is when you step out like that and you're driving a chrome car, what he's doing is he's stepping out.
He's racing Lamborghinis in Miami and he's getting fucked up here and he's getting fucked up there and he's having fun.
He's having a great time.
I bet he's having a great time.
He's doing the best I've ever imagined a 19-year-old kid could do.
With a half a billion dollars.
He's doing great.
Like, leave him alone, man.
ari shaffir
His dads are on him all the time, right?
joe rogan
I don't know.
I mean, who knows?
ari shaffir
He's like, I'm just trying to make good music, dude.
What the fuck should I do?
joe rogan
He's having a blast, is what he's having.
But, boy, he's on a crazy rocket ship ride.
ari shaffir
There's no way it doesn't implode.
joe rogan
He's strapped to the head of, like, a missile and shot through the sky.
And it's like, wow, the fucking, you know, the ride is very fast and very exciting.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
But the landing.
ari shaffir
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
What is the lending going to be like?
ari shaffir
They stop trying to make him out like a virgin anymore.
joe rogan
How long are you going to keep balling?
How long can you keep balling that hard?
He's got a chrome car.
He's 19. He's got a chrome car.
He's throwing eggs at his fucking neighbor's house.
ari shaffir
Shirley Temple retired at 21. Whoa.
Yeah.
She was like, I'm getting out of the business.
I'm living off residuals.
joe rogan
Whoa.
ari shaffir
She lived a normal life.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
That's crazy.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
I feel like 10 years, nobody even fucking bother.
joe rogan
Wow.
Huh.
That might be the move.
ari shaffir
That might be the move.
Just like, cool, I did it.
Now I'm good.
I'm set on this.
Let me just work on my painting.
joe rogan
I don't know, man.
You know, as you see more and more instances of people that get that super stratosphere of fame and more and more Michael Jackson's, you know.
Michael Jackson, to me, is the most fascinating character study ever.
On human beings that I've ever witnessed because I think he is...
ari shaffir
He never went down and fainted.
Well, I guess sort of, but not really.
joe rogan
Well, he kind of did and then didn't and, you know, he's sort of still in the mix because people didn't want to believe that he was a child molester.
ari shaffir
Nobody wanted to believe it.
joe rogan
Dude, that guy, it became a fucking freak.
He became...
ari shaffir
A monster.
joe rogan
He became a monster.
ari shaffir
He turned into a monster.
He became a monster.
joe rogan
He became this white-skinned, vampire-like guy with alien eyes.
ari shaffir
Pig-nosed.
joe rogan
He had his eyes worked on to the point where his eyes were really big and wide.
It was weird.
He had a bunch of weird shit done to his face.
He had a dimple put in.
ari shaffir
And then he played the Super Bowl like that.
joe rogan
And he denied ever having anything done.
ari shaffir
Did he really?
joe rogan
Yes, yes he did, yes.
ari shaffir
What?
joe rogan
He denied having anything done.
unidentified
Like, I went to have my nose fixed, but that was because something went wrong.
ari shaffir
And then he pretended to have a baby with somebody?
joe rogan
Yeah, and the kids came out white.
ari shaffir
With Elvis' daughter?
Did they say they had a baby with her?
joe rogan
Well, no, no, no.
He didn't have a baby with her, but he had with this one woman.
Supposedly, she was pregnant with his kids, and the kids came out totally white.
ari shaffir
Totally white.
joe rogan
Completely white.
Like, it's one of the weirdest things ever.
And I guess you're supposed to just, I don't know what you're supposed to question.
ari shaffir
You're supposed to keep believing in him.
joe rogan
I don't know.
The guy...
ari shaffir
Do you remember when he was doing the interview in Vegas and he was going through that statue store?
joe rogan
Yes.
ari shaffir
I totally remember that.
And he was like, well, you know, the fame is pretty nice.
I'll have two of those, please.
And this guy behind him is leering, just like, all right, that's $200,000.
joe rogan
Yep.
ari shaffir
Yep, that one's $150,000 each.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ari shaffir
We're just tiling it up.
We just keep going, yeah, doing the interview and ordering shit, just walking through.
joe rogan
It was kind of like a cry for help, man.
ari shaffir
Sort of.
joe rogan
That video was kind of like a cry for help.
What did that kid say?
brian redban
This is that guy that's saying that Michael Jackson molested him when he was a kid, and now he's trying to get money out of this state, and the state's saying, you waited too long, too bad.
joe rogan
Oh, really?
ari shaffir
This is not his money anymore, it's our money.
joe rogan
What do you think, though, man?
You know, there's also the possibility that he didn't molest kids, or he...
ari shaffir
There's nothing I know about the world that would say that that's a realistic possibility.
joe rogan
But, yeah, it was...
Could it be that people were trying to take advantage of a guy that's just fucking really weird?
ari shaffir
Yeah, maybe.
joe rogan
That's why...
unidentified
And sad.
ari shaffir
That's the only way people aren't, like, at his door with pitchforks, is there's a possibility.
joe rogan
Well, he's dead.
ari shaffir
People just made it up.
joe rogan
I don't need to be at his door today.
ari shaffir
Yeah, no, no, no.
joe rogan
He died the weirdest death ever.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
The guy who's taking this...
I mean, he's getting put under every night.
That's how he's going to sleep.
ari shaffir
That's how he went to jail.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Yeah.
Can you imagine?
Can you imagine you take it to the next level?
ari shaffir
Go to sleep?
joe rogan
You're getting anesthetized.
ari shaffir
Just tuck yourself in, man.
You'll be okay.
joe rogan
How about sleeping pills?
It's not strong enough, bitch.
I need something more.
unidentified
I got nightmares.
ari shaffir
Well, I just think if you just...
Michael, if you just lay your head down, just count sheep for a little bit.
It could probably work...
Well, that shows me you're not listening to me.
I'm just saying, try it without the stuff.
joe rogan
Yeah, he wasn't even willing to endure that.
Nope, nope, we're not going to be staying up another night.
ari shaffir
Put me under.
joe rogan
Anesthetized me.
And the doctor was so crazy, he just did it.
ari shaffir
He was getting paid so much.
unidentified
He fucking conked him out every night.
joe rogan
I guess that's super bad for you.
I guess you're not supposed to anesthetize yourself every night.
It seems like that would be a no-brainer.
Do you sleep?
Yeah, not really.
unidentified
Sort of.
ari shaffir
You're just out.
I wake more refreshed.
joe rogan
Well, isn't that like side effect of that particular type of anesthesia?
No, you wake up and you feel refreshed.
It's like there's some sort of a trick to it.
ari shaffir
Oh, really?
After like 30 minutes?
joe rogan
I kind of remember reading that.
I should probably pull it up.
I think there was a particular type of anesthesia that he was into.
ari shaffir
When I got put out at Eddie Bravo's class, I felt so refreshed afterwards.
joe rogan
That's different.
unidentified
Really?
ari shaffir
Yeah, you wake up and I was like, when he was like, you can get back in there.
I was like, can I really?
I just felt like...
I felt like I'm rested.
I felt like I had a nap for 30 minutes.
joe rogan
So his anesthesia, do you guys remember what it was called?
ari shaffir
No.
What do you mean?
The type they gave him to him?
brian redban
Yeah.
ari shaffir
What?
joe rogan
The anesthesia that they got him with.
Okay.
Propofol.
Oh, yeah.
Propofol.
Propofol.
unidentified
So let's look at Propofol's benefits.
Propofol.
joe rogan
That's so scary.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
Do it even once.
I can't go to sleep.
What else have you got?
joe rogan
That's so crazy.
ari shaffir
I have a meeting at 10 a.m.
We've got to go to sleep.
joe rogan
The idea that someone could get that far gone.
They could get that far gone where they just need to be put out.
ari shaffir
Do you think there were other doctors who were like, Michael, I can't do that.
Like, get the fuck out of here.
Until he got a doctor and was like, alright, I guess I'll do it.
joe rogan
I guess this doctor thought he was going to be able to keep him alive.
And if he kept him alive, he would be still pulling money out of Michael for a long time.
I mean, that's the only reason why it makes any sense that anybody would agree to do this.
It's because they need money.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
Or they want the money.
I mean, there's a reason why it's not legal.
It's not ethical.
It's scary.
It's scary that you can get a doctor to agree to just put you under every night.
ari shaffir
I took an oath.
joe rogan
That's so crazy.
I'm trying to find the disadvantages.
ari shaffir
Disadvantages of going to sleep every night by the gas?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Just the disadvantages of using it.
ari shaffir
Yeah, let me hear them.
By the way, I'll be in Chicago at Zany's this weekend.
joe rogan
Powerful Chicago Zany's.
Small club.
Cool place.
ari shaffir
Yeah, I've never been.
joe rogan
Supposed to be one of the best clubs in the country.
I've never been either.
ari shaffir
Really?
Yeah, it's supposed to be one of those small ones, right?
joe rogan
Yeah, it's real small.
I think it's like less than 200 seats.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
I think it's jammed, though.
ari shaffir
I'm doing three shows on Saturday and two shows on Sunday.
joe rogan
You'll love it.
I fucking love Chicago.
Chicago's incredible.
ari shaffir
Cool vibe.
joe rogan
Ah, the best.
There's something fantastic about that town.
I mean, this is a mess right now as far as crime, especially with young urban kids, like the gang warfare.
ari shaffir
Really?
In Chicago?
joe rogan
Yeah, it's horrible.
Like gang fighting and murders.
A lot.
A lot of that going on.
ari shaffir
That's unpleasant.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Yeah, there's a lot of that shit going on.
It's got one of the highest murder rates in the country.
ari shaffir
Really?
joe rogan
Mm-hmm.
ari shaffir
Oh.
joe rogan
Yeah, when I was there...
ari shaffir
I barely ever played there.
joe rogan
You never played there?
ari shaffir
I know, I have, but barely.
joe rogan
Did you ever do it with me?
ari shaffir
I just did it with you.
Oh, that's right.
joe rogan
You fucked my ass.
I thought it was like a week ago.
brian redban
What the fuck?
joe rogan
I forgot.
ari shaffir
It'll be all different material if you come out with me.
I'm not going to repeat any of that stuff.
unidentified
Um...
Derf.
joe rogan
There's a type of person that comes from the Midwest.
They're like grounded.
ari shaffir
Genuine?
joe rogan
Yeah, there's sort of a genuine, grounded quality.
A lot of hard-working people, a lot of people that have worked on farms, a lot of people that have families that worked on farms, people that came over here, their relatives came over here a long-ass time ago.
ari shaffir
You know what I saw there once, though?
I saw, it was one of the early days I went there with you.
And there was this, they put us into like a VIP area, those nightclubs.
And some girl was flirting and then she came in and sat with us.
I was like, yeah, sure, yes, come on in.
And then as soon as she went in, some girl behind the rope bumped her and she just gave her this look like, excuse me, you need to keep out of here.
This is my area right now.
She just took it over.
joe rogan
She kicked a girl out of them?
I'm so confused.
ari shaffir
She just got invited into some VIP area and immediately started acting like she was better than everyone else.
The first time I saw that in girl behavior.
joe rogan
Oh, I see where you're saying.
ari shaffir
She was somehow the queen all of a sudden.
joe rogan
Yeah, people can be gunty.
That's not good.
ari shaffir
I definitely explained that the least.
joe rogan
You might be too hard to talk right now.
ari shaffir
That's possible.
My tolerance went down in New York.
joe rogan
Might want to slow your roll.
Yeah, the New York thing is a bummer, huh?
ari shaffir
Yeah.
It's such a horrible way to live.
joe rogan
For folks who don't know, alright?
I mean, I'm not saying this like this is the way you have to live.
I'm just letting you know.
In Los Angeles, it is unbelievably ridiculously easy to procure marijuana.
ari shaffir
Yeah, you just pull over.
joe rogan
It's essentially legal.
It's essentially legal.
If you have a medical license, it's legal.
If you don't have a medical license, it's decriminalized.
That's one of the things that Arnold did when he left office.
As long as you're not smoking weed and driving like an asshole, it's pretty fucking legal.
You're doing it in the privacy of your own home.
Cops don't give a shit.
ari shaffir
I had a cop in my window give me a lecture about texting with a half-smoked bowl in the middle.
He's leaning in for two minutes.
They don't care.
joe rogan
They don't care.
What people are concerned with, especially police officers, is people that are fucking dangerous.
That's what they're concerned with.
If you see a guy texting, that's dangerous.
If you see a guy and his van looks like Cheech and Chong, that guy's probably driving really fucking slow as the smoke leaves his cracked window.
That guy's going to be, he's probably going to be really scared to merge, but other than that...
ari shaffir
In Maryland, I couldn't figure it out.
Even with my friend, we wanted to smoke pot, but we couldn't do it at each other's parents' house.
So we just got in the car.
We got no other options.
joe rogan
But then your car smells like weed.
That's the problem.
You got to make that choice.
You make that choice to smoke in your car, your car's always going to smell like weed.
ari shaffir
No, just for like 10 minutes.
joe rogan
Bullshit!
ari shaffir
Unless you close doors right when you finish smoking.
joe rogan
You get one of those pot-smoking dogs, come there a month later, you'll be like...
It smells like weed.
ari shaffir
I found weed in my car on the way to the airport this time that was in the center console for maybe a year or two.
I didn't try it yet.
I was on the way to the airport.
joe rogan
I know edibles lose their potency.
ari shaffir
They do?
joe rogan
Yeah, they go away.
It goes away almost entirely.
It gets to the point where they don't do anything.
But they only have like a certain...
Tom McCormick explained it to me once, but I don't remember.
ari shaffir
I gave Tony some weed that was in the back of my fridge for like three years once.
He's like, if you want it, you can have it.
And he goes, yeah, I got me high as fuck.
joe rogan
Wow.
Well, I guess maybe the dried plants, it's different than when you cook it.
It's like the cooking aspect of it, I think, or the putting it into an edible form.
Something about like...
ari shaffir
Spiciness goes away if you leave the top off too long.
joe rogan
Does it really?
ari shaffir
Yeah.
Like, of what?
Let's say you have a thing of the red sauce.
Not the sriracha sauce, but the ones with all the...
The seeds in them.
You ever see those?
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
ari shaffir
Spreadable kind.
joe rogan
Okay, yeah, I know what you're talking about.
ari shaffir
If you take the top off that and just let it, like, oxygenate.
joe rogan
Is that scientific?
ari shaffir
A lot of the spiciness goes away.
No.
unidentified
Really?
ari shaffir
No, it's just observation.
unidentified
Really?
ari shaffir
Yeah.
unidentified
Hmm.
joe rogan
That's interesting.
I don't know.
You're the one who turned me on to that fucking shit.
What is that stuff that you gave me?
That bomb?
ari shaffir
It's a bomb?
Oh, it's so good.
unidentified
Oh, my God.
ari shaffir
It's a thing of spaghetti.
joe rogan
He gave me this hot sauce that looks like...
So small.
It even has a nuclear warning sign on it.
It has a little nuclear sign on it.
It's such a small bottle.
How horrific could this stuff possibly be?
ari shaffir
Everyone's always like...
joe rogan
It's such a small bottle.
How are they so confident to sell me that much hot sauce?
brian redban
Is it just that one pepper?
The ghost pepper?
Yeah, ghost pepper.
joe rogan
I don't know if it's ghost pepper.
It might be that caspicum...
ari shaffir
Capsaicum.
joe rogan
Capsaicum, yeah.
Well, let's find out.
See, da bomb?
unidentified
D-A. D-O-M-B. Oh, you got it.
brian redban
Habanero peppers.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's it?
No, that's not it.
That's a different one.
There's a death one.
ari shaffir
There's three in there.
brian redban
The black one?
joe rogan
There's the little tiny death one.
Whatever the little tiny death one is.
brian redban
That one?
The final answer?
joe rogan
What is that?
ari shaffir
Is it bomb dropping in the middle?
joe rogan
No, that's...
Is that it?
ari shaffir
But literally three drops into a plate of spaghetti and marinara sauce.
Three drops and then mix up the whole thing.
joe rogan
Is that the same sauce?
It looks different.
I guess they have a bunch of different flavors.
That's what it is.
ari shaffir
Yeah, there's a few different flavors.
joe rogan
Okay, this is it.
The bomb beyond insanity.
That's it.
This is the one.
See this one right here?
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's it.
Yeah, well, whatever.
Whatever the fuck the name of this stuff is.
I got cocky.
ari shaffir
Did you really?
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah.
I put like a half a teaspoon of that shit in.
And I took your suggestions.
I think it was, no.
It was either spaghetti or it was chicken noodle soup from Jerry's Famous Deli.
ari shaffir
You took my suggestion, what, and doubled it?
joe rogan
I took your suggestion and put it into spaghetti.
I put it in noodles.
Actually, I'm pretty sure that it was the chicken noodle soup, because I get that all the time.
unidentified
But holy fuck, I was in agony.
joe rogan
I was like, this is the most ridiculous hot sauce of all time.
ari shaffir
It's got a good flavor to it, though.
joe rogan
It does, but I went to war.
ari shaffir
I went to war with my body.
brian redban
Shit it out.
joe rogan
It says habanero pepper enhanced with habanero-infused flavor create a sauce measured at 119,700 Scoville units of heat.
ari shaffir
Wow.
Wicked beyond belief.
To give you a context, a jalapeno pepper is 2,500.
joe rogan
That is insane.
119,700 Scoville units of heat.
ari shaffir
It's so hot.
I did the same thing on a plate of spaghetti.
I took like a whole teaspoon, ate one bite, fought on the ground for a while, dumped the whole thing back into the whole tub of spaghetti, and then all that was hot.
joe rogan
I didn't think that it was just habanero.
It seemed so strong.
I felt like it had to be more than habanero.
ari shaffir
There's voodoo in there.
There's not some voodoo in there.
joe rogan
I've had really good habanero sauce and, you know, real strong stuff, but it was nothing like that.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
That was so off the deep end.
ari shaffir
So good.
joe rogan
You ever have El Yucateca?
ari shaffir
Uh-huh.
joe rogan
That's my shit.
ari shaffir
They said that at the griddle.
joe rogan
That's my shit.
The Mexicans know how to make the best hot sauce, period, dude.
Their habanero sauce, that El Yucateca, it's delicious.
It's hot, but it's also really delicious.
Like, I put a lot of that shit on my eggs, and it's got a lot of heat, but it's still, the taste is so good.
ari shaffir
Yeah, a lot of people don't understand that.
It's a lot about the taste.
unidentified
Yeah.
ari shaffir
It's the pain that goes with the good taste.
joe rogan
Yeah, you don't want to just suffer like an asshole.
unidentified
Yeah.
ari shaffir
Do you ever get challenged when you put a bunch of hot sauce on something and be like, drink this whole thing then.
Drink this whole thing at Tabasco.
unidentified
And you're like, I'm not trying to win a challenge.
joe rogan
Yeah, what?
Come on.
It's like your dad, if he catches you smoking a cigarette, wants you to smoke the whole pack.
Listen, bitch, I just wanted to try cigarettes.
You have to fucking stuff them in my face.
ari shaffir
Yeah, smoke the whole pack.
unidentified
Did you hear about CVS? What happened with CVS? Oh, they're not going to sell cigarettes anymore.
ari shaffir
Not going to sell tobacco products at all.
brian redban
I think it's weird that they did anyways or how they sell alcohol.
They sell alcohol and it's supposed to be a place to get medicine.
ari shaffir
Yeah, this is what I thought.
For the longest time I was blaming all these Philip Morris like, oh, they know it's addictive.
They're still fucking putting it out there.
But then you're like, oh, what about the people selling it?
They know too.
They've read the stats.
They're just making money off it.
They could easily do what the CVS is doing.
Especially in pharmacies.
joe rogan
Well, it's weird, man, because there's part of me that says, hey, I want to be able to buy cigarettes if I was an idiot.
If I was an idiot and I decided to start smoking cigarettes, I'd want to be able to buy them.
I don't give a fuck if CVS sells them.
If CVS wants to keep selling them...
ari shaffir
I get it if you don't want to make them illegal, but...
Some health place does not have to sell the fucking agents of death.
joe rogan
That is kind of creepy that it's a CVS. Yeah.
I think about it that way.
brian redban
Yeah, because they have tequila, they have alcohol, and then they have medicine on the next side.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
brian redban
That just makes no sense.
ari shaffir
I mentioned on Twitter, all these people are like, oh, they still sell candy, they still do this.
I'm like, guys, it's a good thing.
It gives people less, like, direct access, easy access to a harmful product.
It's just good.
And somebody's like, well, they're just going to get all this business from the insurance companies now.
And it's like, yeah, they should get rewarded.
joe rogan
That you get rewarded?
ari shaffir
Yeah, when you do a good thing, it's nice when those people get rewarded.
It doesn't make it bad.
joe rogan
The idea that you could just sell things that you know are going to kill people is pretty fucked up.
ari shaffir
Yeah, how are they not held liable?
joe rogan
I mean, it's not even something that gets you...
There's something about...
There's a willingness when you decide you're going to drink.
If we're at a comedy club, you want to do shots?
Alright, we're doing shots.
There's this thing that happens when you decide that you're going to drink that is beneficial.
There's camaraderie in it.
There's fun in it.
There's happiness to it.
If you're doing it right, you can enjoy the experience of having a couple of drinks.
But the experience of smoking cigarettes is just death.
ari shaffir
I mean, that's all it is.
No, it's nice when you get in a good circle with people.
joe rogan
Yeah, but it's not changing your fucking state.
I mean, it might be giving you a little bit of a stimulation, right?
It gives you a stimulant sort of effect, right?
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's what they say.
ari shaffir
It's just a friendly thing.
That's what hurt me the most is not smoke when you see like a bunch of people just in a circle.
I'm like, I want to be part of that.
joe rogan
Right, right.
Yeah, there's a thing people do.
People like to do that with cigars.
They like to sit around cigars and smoke with a bunch of guys.
brian redban
Now it's really weird because all the comics are using these things, so you just see circles of people using these fake electronic hookahs.
joe rogan
Well, those are better for you, man.
What do you think of those?
Those are fucking better for you.
That shit is better for you than cigarettes, period.
brian redban
This is great for me for...
Like for chain smoking or when I'm inside.
It's like chain smoking is the thing I would do.
I wouldn't even think about it.
I'd be like working and I'd be smoking, put it out.
I'm like, wait, where's my...
Oh, I already put it out.
You know what I mean?
So that's good for like the in-betweens and when I'm driving and traffic.
ari shaffir
Big Jay's been like a two-pack-a-day smoker for like years and years.
And he's gone like 120 days just on those.
They help people quit.
brian redban
The good thing about this is besides like the blue cigarettes and like those little...
Disposable nicotine ones.
You don't get any kind of satisfaction from that.
Oh, really?
ari shaffir
That one looks too much, though.
It looks too big.
You're calling attention to yourself.
You're calling attention to yourself.
What is that?
It's a whole device.
brian redban
It's a bunch of smoke, though.
ari shaffir
It's curved to the top.
It's not even straight on.
joe rogan
You're angry.
unidentified
You're Joey Diaz.
ari shaffir
It's just too much attention.
It's just too big.
joe rogan
Why is it too much attention?
ari shaffir
Because it's like, look at this thing I'm doing.
I'm doing something different.
Everyone look.
joe rogan
Is that what it is, or is there any benefit?
ari shaffir
The ones that look the same size, I get that.
Alright, a blue tip goes off fine.
brian redban
I'll tell you what.
joe rogan
You mean like a...
ari shaffir
There's oil in there.
joe rogan
Blue cigs?
ari shaffir
Yeah, those blue cigs, yeah.
brian redban
The difference is this battery lasts a long time, and it has a lot of juice in it.
ari shaffir
It looks like an electric toothbrush.
joe rogan
It does look like an electric toothbrush.
It looks like one of those things that they put in your ear to look around.
brian redban
It has a readout also.
It tells your temperature.
And it also tells you how many hits you've had, and it also says, like, what, your battery life?
ari shaffir
Really?
brian redban
Wow.
joe rogan
That is a trick.
Let me see that thing, man.
brian redban
And what's really cool is that they have these bars now in Los Angeles that are huge bars, and they're like mixology bars.
So you go and you're like, yeah, I want cotton candy, but Pez?
And they go, okay.
ari shaffir
Oh, and make it of those?
brian redban
Yeah, and it's like these, like, it's almost going to, like, a bar.
joe rogan
Okay, Ari, you're wrong.
unidentified
What?
joe rogan
This thing's dope.
brian redban
Take a hit of it.
joe rogan
You wear fanny packs.
I do wear fanny packs.
ari shaffir
I sell fanny packs.
Do you really?
joe rogan
I'm selling them now at Higher Primate.
I got a beautiful one from Roots with the Higher Primate logo on it.
ari shaffir
With boots?
joe rogan
Roots.
You know, Roots, the company that makes bags.
They make leather bags.
Yeah, they made me one with a Higher Primate logo on it.
Well, I got it from Dice.
Dice came in and he had sweatpants on and this fanny pack.
And I was like, oh, that's a beautiful fanny pack.
I'm like, where'd you get that?
He's like, oh, yeah, it's from Roots.
It's the best.
And he's showing me the fanny pack.
And so I got the Dice Clay fanny pack.
I want one.
You can get one.
unidentified
I'll get you one.
joe rogan
My fanny pack is a Dice Clay inspired.
I just ordered some sweatpants online.
I'm waiting to get them.
And I'm just going to start wearing sweatpants.
ari shaffir
No, you're not.
Do not do that.
joe rogan
Yeah, I am.
ari shaffir
No.
unidentified
No, do it.
brian redban
Do it.
joe rogan
I'm going to wear track suits.
ari shaffir
No, don't do that.
joe rogan
They're comfortable.
ari shaffir
No, stop it.
brian redban
No, he's got a thing.
joe rogan
Why not?
brian redban
I agree with this.
joe rogan
Why not?
They're not!
They're comfortable.
I'm not worried about that look.
brian redban
They have those new sweatpants, too, that look like pants.
Have you seen these things?
ari shaffir
It could not go out like that.
joe rogan
That's ridiculous.
ari shaffir
It could not go out like that.
joe rogan
If you're wearing sweatpants, you've got to wear sweatpants.
You're a fool.
You can't put fucking racing stripes on a Cadillac.
That's just stupid.
ari shaffir
Yeah, exactly.
joe rogan
That's dumb.
If you're going to wear sweatpants, they're sweatpants.
Make them look like sweatpants.
ari shaffir
Are they going to have a crease in it that makes it look like a tuxedo?
joe rogan
I'm going to start wearing tracksuits.
ari shaffir
Please don't do that.
unidentified
Please do not.
ari shaffir
I cannot sit with you if you do that.
joe rogan
You can.
You'll be fine.
brian redban
You'll be fine.
joe rogan
I supported you through your cardigan days.
I never said a word.
I never shit on your fucking terrible dress habits.
I never did.
How dare you say that you wouldn't support me for athletic wear.
That's just preposterous.
ari shaffir
If you're doing athletics, I can see it.
joe rogan
I'm an athletic guy.
I like to move around.
unidentified
I need some clothes that don't hold me down.
brian redban
See, these are sweatpants, but they look like regular pants.
joe rogan
Oh, that's nice.
I would wear those.
I'd wear those, yeah.
I actually would love to wear those.
That actually seems like something that I would wear every day.
ari shaffir
Those do not look like sweatpants.
joe rogan
You're looking at right at his cock, aren't you?
You can't help it.
I looked at it.
I looked at it for a full three or four seconds.
brian redban
This is Joe, and he's going to be wearing Cookie Monster sweatpants.
joe rogan
That's me.
ari shaffir
It's beautiful.
joe rogan
It'll be covered with cat hair.
I'll show you how much of a bait I am.
brian redban
I'm all for the tracksuits.
I think that needs to make a comeback.
I hate wearing jeans.
joe rogan
We're so concerned with what kind of clothes we wear.
People who are really into style, they're always annoying.
They're almost always annoying when they start talking to you about, this is Gucci, this is Fendi, this is Ralph Lauren.
ari shaffir
My artist friend told me that there's all these older artists and they're getting a little successful and they have sleeves, but they're like, oh, I only wear these type of shoes.
joe rogan
There's nothing wrong with being into clothes.
There's nothing wrong with enjoying.
I think clothes are artwork.
Don't get me wrong.
But there's people that are really obsessively into style and kind of snobbish about it.
That's a weird thing to give a fuck about.
You give a fuck that this guy has paint on his pants?
If you and I are hanging out and you have paint on your pants, I could give zero fucks.
ari shaffir
Is that a better thing?
joe rogan
Whatever you want.
No, I'm just saying if you choose to wear a type of shoe, or you choose to wear...
Like, I make fun of Callum's shoes all the time.
ari shaffir
In Portland, you can wear anything you want.
joe rogan
You should be able to wear anything you want everywhere.
But someone who's into, like, rigid style, like, oh, that's out of style.
That's out of style.
Says fucking...
ari shaffir
I don't know.
joe rogan
Says fucking who.
You tell me what the hell board decides what's in style and not in style.
Wear whatever the fuck you want.
If you want to wear some sweatpants, wear some fucking sweatpants.
And anyone who cares is an idiot.
You fool.
You care that that guy's walking around in sweatpants?
Why do you give a fuck?
Why would anybody care even slightly?
That someone's walking around wearing sweatpants.
In the office?
In the boardroom?
What do you give a fuck?
You have to wear that weird stupid outfit that you wear with these stiff corners, these sharp edges and a tie around your neck and cufflinks that are so fucking stupid you have to stick some metal extraneous pieces in there and tighten up.
ari shaffir
It's better without the buttons.
joe rogan
Links, because your collar folds over.
Get the fuck out of here.
That's ridiculous.
With your shiny, stupid, hard-soled shoes.
Why do you have wood in your shoes?
The bottom of your shoe is wood?
unidentified
Really?
joe rogan
There's wood in your shoe?
What is it, fucking 1812?
Are you living in Denmark?
You have clogs on, you fuckhead?
It's ridiculous.
Why would you have leather, shiny leather, on the bottom of your toes?
Do you know how slippery and stupid that is?
ari shaffir
It can't scuff them at all.
joe rogan
What's with the tassels, you fucking halfwit?
You like tassels in the front of your shoes, you idiot?
ari shaffir
I don't like that.
joe rogan
What is that, extra fancy, you fucking tard?
ari shaffir
They're leather tassels.
joe rogan
It's so childish and silly and ancient and retarded and dumb-de-dumb-de-dumb.
Who cares how you dress?
ari shaffir
You know, I dress all summer long in New York.
I would put on flip-flops, shorts, no shirt, and just get high and walk around.
joe rogan
Is that cool to walk around with no shirt?
ari shaffir
No.
joe rogan
It's not?
ari shaffir
No.
I mean, it's allowed, but even homeless people don't do it.
joe rogan
But it's not illegal?
ari shaffir
Uh-uh.
Hmm.
joe rogan
What about women then?
Can women walk around topless?
I know that's been fought for, right?
brian redban
In Columbus, Ohio, you can.
ari shaffir
Portland, you can be topless.
joe rogan
Really?
Yeah, at least tassels.
Oh my god.
ari shaffir
That's a style, man.
It's tassels on top of tassels.
It looks like a saddle.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
You need ayahuasca.
If you wear tassels in your shoes, you need ayahuasca.
ari shaffir
I've had shoes like that.
joe rogan
Mother ayahuasca to take you away.
ari shaffir
Have you ever done that stuff?
joe rogan
Ayahuasca?
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
Still have not.
ari shaffir
Yeah, me neither.
joe rogan
It's a more prolonged version of a DMT trip that apparently doesn't quite get to that DMT flash level.
Really?
But it gives you sort of this weird spiritual insight thing that you don't necessarily get with DMT.
That's the way it's been described to me by my friends who've done it.
It's hard like when you're trying to relay experiences.
Everybody's is very different.
So if you haven't personally experienced it, it's hard to try to put into context what they're saying, like how they're describing something.
You really have to experience it.
ari shaffir
It's hard to put into words.
joe rogan
So one of these days I'll have to do it.
But the DMT flash, everybody that I've talked to or I've tried to piece together what they say about their experiences, It all seems like we're all talking about a similar place.
But it's hard to, it's so wanky that it's hard to put into, like, any context in the real world.
So the words that you use are all the wrong words.
ari shaffir
That's what I'm talking about, talking about God and the voice of God.
Like, there's no voice.
It's not like that.
There's no arm of God.
There's nothing that we can comprehend.
joe rogan
If it isn't, you know, when you do that, if it isn't you actually communicating with something, if it's all happening inside your head and it's all imaginary, god damn, your brain has some untapped potential.
ari shaffir
Oh yeah, probably.
joe rogan
Because if that's in there, if that really is just our collective minds or really is just the depth of the potential of human thought and your ability to hallucinate or imagine things or your imagination in itself, the very mechanics of your imagination creating all these crazy illusions. the very mechanics of your imagination creating all these crazy And if that is the case, like, wow, you know, what an incredible potential the human mind has just on its own that just we get to every now and again.
And it puts on this bizarre show of this godlike quality, like this perfect idealistic utopian loving thought process that hits you when you're on that stuff.
Like, of course people think it's God.
I mean, maybe it is God.
And maybe what God is, is human potential.
It's greatest heights.
ari shaffir
That's just what God really is.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ari shaffir
It's just a concept.
joe rogan
And maybe we're just getting, you know, too much of it when you have a psychedelic experience.
It's too much, whatever the fuck, you know, that you're tapping into that gives you these insights.
ari shaffir
I've seen it once, but I've never done it.
joe rogan
I watched it.
ari shaffir
No.
joe rogan
The other stuff.
DMT. DMT? Yeah.
Well, I'm sure we can make that happen.
If you were willing to sign a few pieces of paper for the government and participate in this study, you should get in on the Rick Strassman studies.
ari shaffir
What's the Rick Strassman studies?
joe rogan
He's doing it again.
ari shaffir
What's he do?
joe rogan
He's the guy that wrote that book, DMT, The Spirit Molecule.
He was the first guy that was able to secure federal funding.
ari shaffir
Funding for research?
joe rogan
Yeah, he's got a license to be able to do it.
I don't know if they funded it or if they allowed him to do it, but they allowed him to do intravenous DMT injections.
ari shaffir
Intravenous?
joe rogan
Yeah.
The book's called DMT, The Spirit Molecule, and it's a fantastic book.
It's really interesting.
He's a scientist, and he's a...
ari shaffir
I would donate my body to science for that.
joe rogan
He's a brilliant, brilliant guy, but he's also a really cool guy.
And he's really nice.
He's a really nice person.
And when you hear about his relaying of these people's experiences, the way he set everything up...
His willingness to track this idea down and try to see what it really is all about is really courageous.
For a doctor to do that, you can get in some weird situations where people think you're a kook.
But he's dealing with a real chemical.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
They can't get funding to study mushrooms or the legalities to do it.
joe rogan
MAPS is starting to break some boundaries on that.
They're starting to make some headway.
ari shaffir
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah, there was a John Hopkins University study on psilocybin.
MAPS is something multidisciplinary psychedelic studies.
I don't know what the actual...
Acronym, how it works, but it's probably the number one group as far as like really intelligently debating and promoting psychedelics.
ari shaffir
Oh, wow.
joe rogan
And the study of psychedelics.
All brilliant, brilliant guys.
We had Rick Doblin, who's one of the guys from MAPS, one of the head guys.
We had him on the podcast and the guy couldn't have been cooler.
ari shaffir
I told my suburban friend to take mushrooms.
joe rogan
Did you?
ari shaffir
She's about to turn 40. Whoa.
Why are you trying to freak her out?
She was just like, I don't know.
I'm just like, yeah.
I told her, do it.
Do it with your husband.
joe rogan
Tell her to take mushrooms and listen to that U2 song.
Actually, watch it.
Watch it in a U2 video.
unidentified
The one from Kimoff?
joe rogan
The one Fallon from Fallon.
ari shaffir
Fallon, yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
brian redban
Do you think when you get through a certain age, though, that it might be too scary to recommend somebody...
joe rogan
You sure you don't have herpes?
ari shaffir
She said, I'll be scared.
I'm like, yeah, of course you'll be scared.
brian redban
Yeah, but I mean, like, when you get to a certain age, you kind of also have that, like, I'm going to die.
ari shaffir
No.
joe rogan
Oh, God.
brian redban
It's a big hit.
joe rogan
What kind of flavor is this?
brian redban
That's grape mixed with a little bit of...
joe rogan
You're a fucking child.
brian redban
Pina colada.
ari shaffir
You're a black child.
joe rogan
I didn't get anything.
brian redban
Yeah, you have to hold the button the whole time.
You can kind of like puff on it almost.
That's kind of the way to do it best.
It's puffing on it.
ari shaffir
How'd you get a desk watch symbol in there?
brian redban
Sticker fitted perfectly.
ari shaffir
Oh, nice.
joe rogan
That's hilarious.
brian redban
But you know, like when you're older, you kind of have like in the back of your head like, oh, you know, what if I'm having a heart attack because I'm 40?
Because I want to recommend it to somebody that's never done it the same way.
ari shaffir
Just tell them that's a ridiculous notion.
brian redban
She's never done anything like that before.
ari shaffir
Yeah, tell her.
joe rogan
You know what, man?
You should let people do what they want to do.
If they want to live their whole life and never do mushrooms, you should let them.
ari shaffir
I'm not going to force them to do it.
Shouldn't even bring it up.
joe rogan
Shouldn't even bring it up.
ari shaffir
No, no, disagree.
Absolutely bring it up.
joe rogan
You think you should offer it up?
ari shaffir
Yeah.
brian redban
Really?
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
Well, I think if you want to fuck her, you should.
ari shaffir
No, even if I don't.
I advise my male friends, too.
I try to get them to do it.
joe rogan
Do you really?
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ari shaffir
Not with me.
The last thing I want to do if I want to try to fuck a girl is do mushrooms with them.
joe rogan
Really?
ari shaffir
Yeah.
brian redban
Makes it weird.
And what if you freak out in front of her?
You ruin all chances.
ari shaffir
Yeah, they don't feel like I can't.
They don't feel like held down.
Nah.
No way.
joe rogan
That's awesome.
Yeah, I think anything you do, whether it's mushrooms or smoke pot.
I was having a conversation with a buddy of mine last night about a friend of ours, and we were talking about how this dude could benefit from weed.
This is why he does this, because he doesn't smoke pot, so he doesn't have that paranoid, introspective thing that you get when you smoke weed.
You start really examining yourself in uncomfortable lights.
A lot of people who don't smoke weed who need to, that's like the quality that they're lacking.
So they have like this hubris.
So they can keep pushing forward.
ari shaffir
No, you really do.
joe rogan
They keep pushing forward without considering, you know, how they come off to other people.
They just keep pushing forward.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
They have this hubris.
ari shaffir
You're like, come on, man.
Just smoke this and stop and think about yourself for a second.
joe rogan
People get caught up also.
You get caught up in going in a certain direction.
Did you see Wolf of Wall Street?
ari shaffir
No, not yet.
joe rogan
Good.
It's good.
I really enjoyed it.
It's really good.
A lot of people say that Martin Scorsese, his movies are kind of formulaic.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
But I say those people can go fuck themselves.
Because what he does is he knows how to do it, man.
I should.
I'm sorry.
So good with words.
ari shaffir
For my next 1,500 words that I don't need, here's a picture.
joe rogan
Boom!
Um, he just knows how to make a movie that, like, it's different.
Like, he'll do things like, like, there's a part when Leonardo DiCaprio, like, you know, everyone's moving and talking, and they just stop talking, but there, there's no sound coming out, but he's walking towards the camera looking at you.
They've essentially completely cut out the sound of all the other people and he's talking to you.
It's like these weird little things that he does.
Like there's the chaos of the trading room floor.
And as Leonardo DiCaprio walks through it, there's no sound, just him talking.
He's explaining his life and the world that he lifted.
ari shaffir
That's directorial shit that the director does.
He's saying something about something.
joe rogan
He's just dope.
He's just dope.
Martin Scorsese is just a master.
He's just a master.
ari shaffir
He said he had this shot in Taxi Driver.
Where it's when you see a guy walking towards the camera, a character walking towards the camera, and then you see another angle cut right from there to the camera moving towards something.
That's the point of view of the guy we just saw.
Right.
So then they start having him pan across.
That view starts panning across the taxi place all the way around and around, and then it puts De Niro in the shot.
It was supposed to be his point of view, and all of a sudden he's in it.
And he just does stuff like that.
Yeah.
The shooting is just as crazy as this character is.
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
You know what I mean?
ari shaffir
Deeper shit.
joe rogan
Gets you feeling loopy.
Yeah.
There's such an art to filmmaking.
I don't have any desire to ever do it.
ari shaffir
No.
It seems like a lot of work.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
It seems like so much work.
But I appreciate the shit out of it.
I really, really appreciate someone who's really good at it.
Someone who just really knows how to make a movie that you go to see and you go, fucking A. That's a good guy.
American Hustle's a good goddamn fucking movie.
unidentified
Yeah, I just saw that.
ari shaffir
That's pretty good.
joe rogan
That's a good fucking movie, man.
That is a good fucking movie, man.
unidentified
Christian Bale is such a bad motherfucker.
ari shaffir
Yeah, he's pretty good at everything.
joe rogan
Goddamn, he's good.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
Do you ever see The Machinist?
joe rogan
And those women were fucking fantastic, too.
The chick from The Hunger Games.
ari shaffir
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
The red-headed chick.
Goddamn.
Fantastic.
ari shaffir
Did you see it, Brian?
joe rogan
What a movie.
Bradley Cooper was awesome.
You haven't seen it yet?
brian redban
I don't see movies unless I have a girlfriend.
I just never think about them.
ari shaffir
Yeah, I know what you mean.
joe rogan
Ladies, you hear that cry for help?
ari shaffir
Don't let another season go by without Brian Redman finding a girlfriend.
brian redban
I live a totally different life when I'm in a relationship.
When I'm in a relationship, I don't do shit.
I don't watch TV. I don't watch movies.
ari shaffir
What do you do?
brian redban
I don't play with dogs.
ari shaffir
You just don't do anything?
joe rogan
Furious masturbation from the jump.
The alarm clock goes off.
The lube gets squirted.
And we begin the race.
ari shaffir
I wonder if that's what it was.
joe rogan
Could be.
ari shaffir
How many times you can masturbate in a day.
What do you think you get to?
joe rogan
Probably like three or four.
ari shaffir
It's an orgasm.
No, you could do more than that in a day.
You start it right away.
brian redban
The highest is about five or six for me, I would say.
ari shaffir
You could get to seven or ten, I think.
joe rogan
Yeah, but by the end, what the fuck?
What kind of madness?
brian redban
It's mostly just liquid.
joe rogan
I would be afraid of that madness filling my head with seeds.
ari shaffir
What do you mean?
joe rogan
If I beat off seven times in a day, with the things that I need to think of in order to come after times five and six, the madness, the fucking crazy, Savage jeans that I have to tap into to get my last load off.
ari shaffir
You should start off slow to give yourself more room.
joe rogan
I don't want those thoughts.
ari shaffir
Start off by smelling your wife's pillow.
joe rogan
I don't want those thoughts, Ari.
ari shaffir
And then move up from there.
joe rogan
I don't want those thoughts.
I don't want to hit cum number seven.
That's a person I don't like.
ari shaffir
It would start to hurt, but you have to keep going.
joe rogan
I don't like that person.
unidentified
I'm just going to fucking figure out that I can't.
Nothing about dead cats.
joe rogan
I'm going to fucking fuck the world.
I'm going to get these fucking loads out of time.
You go from being sensual to being a violent release of soldiers.
That's how you orgasm.
Thinking about just an angry release of demon soldiers flying out of your dick.
unidentified
Fight!
brian redban
Those boner pills make me masturbate a lot more.
ari shaffir
Really?
joe rogan
I'm sure.
ari shaffir
What are you taking and then strike out?
And then you're like, oh, well.
brian redban
No, they just last for like 24 to 48 hours.
joe rogan
Have you ever looked up like what happens if you take that stuff a lot?
ari shaffir
Nope.
joe rogan
You never even looked into it, huh?
brian redban
No, I get pretty nervous, though.
ari shaffir
Dude, I just went off Propecia.
unidentified
Who did?
ari shaffir
ProScar, whatever it was.
You should be off that stuff.
I read a bunch of side effects, and it was like depression, all stuff that maybe, I don't know, I think maybe stuff was caused by that.
joe rogan
Is that hair shit?
Yeah, I had a bad reaction to that stuff.
It killed my boners.
ari shaffir
They have boneritis in there, too.
joe rogan
It killed my boners, and it also made me more tired.
ari shaffir
Oh, really?
joe rogan
Like, when I would work out, I didn't have as much endurance.
When I got off of it, my boners came back with a vengeance, and it felt like I had more energy training.
And I was like, man, I wonder if that's affecting me in an extreme way.
Like, everybody has a different reaction.
ari shaffir
It changes the way it processes testosterone.
joe rogan
Yeah, dihydrotestosterone.
You see, everybody has a different body's reaction.
It's so weird.
Some people, they're allergic to certain types of antibiotics, or they're allergic to penicillin, or they're allergic to...
People get weird rolls of the dice with your bodies.
It might be that my body didn't react to it very well, but I know I have a buddy who's on it.
There's no problems with it at all.
He's been taking that shit for like 10 years.
ari shaffir
Probably most people don't.
joe rogan
Yeah, for me it was a problem.
But I didn't realize it was a problem until after I stopped taking it.
I ran out of it and all of a sudden my dick was like woken up from a coma.
ari shaffir
Yeah, I'll just commit to going bald.
Just shave your head, man.
joe rogan
You look great when you shaved your head.
ari shaffir
No, I did not.
brian redban
Here we go.
joe rogan
Yeah, you did.
ari shaffir
I did not like the shaved head.
joe rogan
Well, you don't have to, but I'm telling you, you look great with a shaved head.
brian redban
We're all going to have shaved heads in five years.
joe rogan
Listen, there's a reason why the monks did it.
It's an I don't give a fuck move.
I mean, for me, it was a matter of aesthetics.
My hair was getting so gross.
It got down to the point where you shouldn't keep getting haircuts if every time you get your hair cut, your hair still looks like shit.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
What am I paying you for?
joe rogan
Chop all this shit off.
But now that I've done it, I would have done it a long-ass time ago.
It's the easiest way to deal with it.
ari shaffir
You've got a round head.
joe rogan
Yeah, it works.
I've got a good head for being bald.
But getting your haircut is so annoying.
Having to schedule that time out of your day and sit down and listen to some nonsense.
I had a cool hairdresser for a long time, my friend Gabriella.
ari shaffir
Hairdresser.
joe rogan
She was a hairdresser from the news radio days.
ari shaffir
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah, she's really cool.
Cool Italian lady from New York.
We've been friends for a long time, so I used to actually enjoy...
She probably kept me from cutting my hair off for a long time, just because I enjoyed hanging out with her.
I go to see her like once a month.
ari shaffir
They have the coolest ones, man, on a shoot.
The wardrobe stylist, the wardrobe and the hairstylist are the only cool ones.
joe rogan
She's funny.
She's a funny New York, like, hard-ass cool lady.
brian redban
The makeup people always hate me because of you, Joe.
Because you always had that rule of like, I never put makeup on, like on TV shows and stuff.
And so twice I've had to say, no makeup, I don't do that.
And they're like, what are you talking about?
You have to.
And I'm like, no.
joe rogan
You don't have to.
They tried to get me the other day when I was doing Fox Sports 1. I go, nope.
We're just going to put a little powder on it.
ari shaffir
Nah, that's alright though.
joe rogan
This is what I look like.
This is exactly what I look like.
Let's go play games and pretend I look different than I look.
That's crazy.
You're going to smooth my skin out?
What are you going to do?
ari shaffir
I let them do what they want to do.
joe rogan
You're going to light me funny and soft like I'm an angel?
What are you going to do?
What the fuck are you doing?
ari shaffir
I'm uplighting.
joe rogan
Look, man.
No one's perfect.
This is what I look like.
What do you look like?
Hi.
ari shaffir
Ah, let's talk now.
joe rogan
Fucking relax.
You don't have to put makeup on people.
brian redban
She got mad though.
She got upset.
Like, look, this is my job.
If you don't get makeup, they're going to stop hiring me.
joe rogan
You know what?
People are still going to want makeup.
So there's nothing wrong with makeup.
I wore makeup every day when I was on news radio.
unidentified
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah, every time we filmed, they put makeup on me.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
They just want to do it.
And I couldn't say no then.
You know, who was I? Anything I did to be a dick.
I was totally replaceable.
I was totally replaceable.
ari shaffir
I was nobody.
Did you replace Ray Romano on that show?
joe rogan
Yeah.
I actually replaced the guy who replaced Ray Romano.
ari shaffir
So they took...
Ray Romano was booked for the pilot, but they didn't shoot the pilot with Ray Romano.
joe rogan
No.
This is what happened.
Ray Romano was booked for the pilot, and he was working, but they decided somewhere in the middle of Ray's thing...
ari shaffir
They weren't happy with what's happening.
joe rogan
I don't know if they weren't happy with him, or they decided to go a different way with the character, and he was right for their original idea.
In the beginning, when they're coming up with ideas, and they're throwing the ideas around for a pilot, it's not uncommon for them to change a character.
They decide they need a different dynamic.
They have all these different dynamics, and Rey was more of a laid-back...
Sort of a dynamic.
Like, that's who he is.
You know, when you see him on the show, you know, he's like a laid-back sort of a guy.
And I think they wanted someone who's a little aggressive.
Someone who's an idiot, who's like a male idiot that was going to do aggressive, stupid shit that leaves room for funny.
So I got lucky.
It was like, I came along after Ray was replaced by another guy.
ari shaffir
Did they just have a fill-in for the guy?
joe rogan
He was in the pilot.
The other guy was in the pilot.
ari shaffir
He didn't think he had a full-time job, right?
joe rogan
I don't know what he thought.
I don't know.
I don't know if maybe he was...
ari shaffir
I remember seeing that pilot with another person guy.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Maybe if he was really good, they would have kept him.
Or maybe if he was what they were looking for, they would have kept him.
So then they did...
Do you know the funny thing about the audition?
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
The first stuff that they wrote, it was really interesting because it wasn't that funny.
It was more like matter-of-factly or it was more like setting up a character.
The jokes in them were very subtle.
It was like a behavior sort of a piece.
And a lot of guys like totally like tried to overdo it and try to make it like really funny.
It just wasn't really funny.
And they were saying they did that.
The writers did that because they wanted to make sure that no one would try to ham it up.
ari shaffir
Oh, really?
joe rogan
Like if it's funny, it's funny.
You know, like say it to make it funny.
Like you know how to say it to make it funny or not.
But if it's not funny, don't pretend it is.
Everything doesn't have to be a joke.
Like, some things are not a joke, and some things are a joke just because you're creating a character.
Like, you know that character, so when the character does, like, typical things like that, that character would.
It was like a joke of recognition.
ari shaffir
Right.
joe rogan
You know?
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
So then the second time I came in for the second audition...
ari shaffir
When I say a penny on the ground near Barris' feet, I'll always go pick it up.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ari shaffir
I won't call it, I'll just pick it up and, like, put it in my pocket and let him go, like, oh.
I just saw it.
joe rogan
Well, you guys have like routines.
ari shaffir
Yeah, I'm saying we have that go-to things.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ari shaffir
Based on what you know already.
joe rogan
But the second time I went in for the audition, they wrote something really funny.
I was like, whoa, this is hilarious.
It was really good stuff.
So then, you know, they had narrowed it down to a group of people that they thought were, you know, not going to ham it up.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
And then they gave the smallest group, the remaining group, shit to be funny with.
ari shaffir
Oh, right.
joe rogan
So they were super intelligent.
ari shaffir
Who else was close for it?
joe rogan
I don't know.
I didn't know those guys.
ari shaffir
Oh.
joe rogan
There was just a couple guys.
But I remember there...
There's one thing that gives you confidence.
It's to see other people falling apart sometimes.
ari shaffir
Who did you see fall apart?
joe rogan
The guy who was auditioning.
One of the guys who was waiting to audition.
ari shaffir
How did he fall apart?
What did he do?
joe rogan
He was visibly sweaty.
He was sweaty.
Sweat was dripping down his head.
ari shaffir
Really?
joe rogan
And he was going over the lines in this really weird, frantic way.
He was kind of mouthing the lines while he was sitting there, but it was like...
He was falling apart.
He was like, no, shit, fuck.
unidentified
What, really?
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
There was something he was doing that gave me massive confidence.
And I remember thinking, oh, if I just gotta audition, this guy's gonna fall apart.
ari shaffir
One down.
joe rogan
I guess, you know, it's probably one of those guys that had been in Hollywood.
Like, look, when you're coming out here and you're trying to audition for shows, it's totally a crapshoot.
You could get super lucky on the very first show, you get cast, and all of a sudden you're on a television show.
ari shaffir
It probably helps if it's early where you don't really know the stakes.
joe rogan
Yeah, maybe it does, but it also helps if you just get lucky and you are what they're looking for.
But you could also be here for 20 years and never get cast in shit.
That's possible too.
Especially if you have the wrong look or the wrong, you know, whatever you're trying to do.
ari shaffir
You always used to say, everybody in this town, three auditions away from being a star.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Three auditions away.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Everybody.
Every single person.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
I mean, look, there's some fucking really untalented people on television right now that are stars.
Stars of reality shows.
I mean, really untalented people.
Are you really going to chew into the microphone, you motherfucker?
brian redban
Roseanne was out here for, what, a week or a day?
And she got, you know, passed at the comedy store, and then she got a TV show, like, quickly thereafter.
ari shaffir
Roseanne?
joe rogan
For real?
Yeah, she had a crazy ride.
She was in Denver.
She started out in Denver.
ari shaffir
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
She got really good in Denver.
ari shaffir
That's a credit for her.
joe rogan
Yeah, by the time she came...
Well, you know what, man?
There's a kind of an attitude that Denver people have.
They're friendly folks, but there's a hard edge to that place.
I mean, they're in the Rocky Mountains.
They have bears and shit there.
You know, it's like it's a crazy place to live.
Living in Colorado is a little nutty.
So they tolerate a little more like heartiness.
You know what I mean?
And so Roseanne, like coming out of there and then going to the comedy store, she had already built up this act in this cool, smart, hard-edged town in Denver.
There's people dealing with the fucking elements every day.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
And then from there, she's in L.A., and there's no comics like her.
ari shaffir
No, she's talking about what it's like to be a housewife.
joe rogan
Yeah, and killing.
Killing, too.
Killing!
ari shaffir
She's probably hard to follow.
joe rogan
Oh, you could never follow her, man.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
Do you remember people that have a...
I mean, dude, folks who weren't alive when Roseanne Barr first hit, she's like...
ari shaffir
Her voice annoyed me, but then I gave it another shot a few years later and I was like, oh, this show's pretty good.
joe rogan
She's a great comic.
ari shaffir
You think so?
joe rogan
Yes.
Especially back in the day.
Especially when she first made it.
She, to me, is one of the most influential comedians ever.
ari shaffir
Really?
joe rogan
Yep.
Because for women, there had never been a woman like her before.
She's the Kinison version of a woman.
There'd never been a woman like that before.
ari shaffir
I wish her she had like 30 minutes, though.
joe rogan
I don't know, man.
She did more than one special.
I mean, she didn't maintain that level of stand-up once she became super famous and had the TV show.
ari shaffir
It was good for the attitude of like, no, this is just who I am.
I'm not trying to be anything.
joe rogan
She was badass, dude.
Before she got a television show, when she was just doing stand-up, she was badass.
There was no women like her before.
She was a total new thing.
She was an overweight white woman who didn't give a fuck.
Didn't give a fuck.
And she had kids, and she didn't give a fuck.
ari shaffir
She sent Mitzi a black rose.
A dead rose.
Yeah.
unidentified
Why'd she do that?
ari shaffir
She wanted to send a message.
I don't know.
unidentified
A message?
ari shaffir
Because they fought with each other.
brian redban
Black roses are the rarest of all roses.
ari shaffir
Black roses?
joe rogan
Well, it's a nice thing to send, then.
Unless it's voodoo attached.
ari shaffir
Oh, maybe it is.
joe rogan
She might have some voodoo on it.
Roseanne believes in a lot of wacky shit.
ari shaffir
She's out there sometimes.
joe rogan
Oh, dude.
She's so out there.
She's like Area 51 out there.
ari shaffir
She won't touch hands, too.
She's one of those.
joe rogan
Really?
ari shaffir
Very rarely will touch hands.
joe rogan
She'll touch my hands.
ari shaffir
Oh, wow.
Congratulations.
joe rogan
Thank you very much.
I feel pretty good about it.
Don't get mad at me.
ari shaffir
Why not?
unidentified
Why not?
joe rogan
You haven't even met her, bro.
ari shaffir
I did meet her.
She wouldn't shake my hand.
joe rogan
For real?
ari shaffir
Yeah, Alan Stevens introduced me to her.
In a fucking office building.
What on the street?
joe rogan
Wow, that's sad.
I'm sorry.
ari shaffir
It's alright.
I was just thinking like, come on, it's not acceptable to say I don't shake hands.
unidentified
Just don't do that.
joe rogan
Well, what about people that are like crazy ADD and worried about diseases?
ari shaffir
What do those people do if they're not famous?
joe rogan
Obsessive compulsive?
ari shaffir
Do they just die?
joe rogan
I don't know, man.
ari shaffir
I mean, you can't do that at the plant.
joe rogan
Right.
ari shaffir
You can't.
No one's going to accept that.
joe rogan
At the plant, everybody's in the Flintstones and working at the fucking plant.
ari shaffir
Oh, I don't shake hands.
What?
What are you...
No way.
joe rogan
Yeah, why is that allowed, right?
ari shaffir
Yeah, I think it has to be like...
It's a movie star thing.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's a fame thing.
ari shaffir
Howard Hughes.
joe rogan
Well, I think we're...
I was saying...
I think we're uniquely fortunate in being stand-up comedians.
We're forced to look at ourselves all the time.
And I think if you want to think about someone who gets pushed into these weird boxes of power, you know, power that's sort of unnatural, you know, power that like...
Really, it doesn't exist anywhere in the natural world where someone is more famous than other people, so everyone around them is terrified of them.
And so what they do is they just have these situations where they have a show and throw soda at the fucking guy who's running the show.
We were talking about one of those Grace Under Fire, Brent Butler, apparently.
She only threw a coke in the face of the dude who was doing Grace Under Fire.
ari shaffir
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And like fucking swore at him and said some nasty shit to him.
And then they canceled the show.
ari shaffir
Oh yeah, she was like, I'm too big for this.
joe rogan
It's almost like it's total unnatural behavior to have this one person like Brett Butler.
ari shaffir
Lack of repercussions.
joe rogan
Yeah, and being so famous.
And without thinking about yourself all the time, without examining, it must be a weird, weird, weird place to be.
ari shaffir
You know what it is?
Hecklers, 75% of hecklers are cute women.
Cute to above women.
joe rogan
Trying to get some arch fear dick.
ari shaffir
No, just trying to, like, they've never been told to shut up because they're too pretty.
joe rogan
There's a little of that.
There's a little confusion.
ari shaffir
So they don't know.
They're like, this has nothing to do with you.
Be quiet.
joe rogan
Well, people get confused and think that because you're talking, they should be able to talk too.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Wait a minute.
You just can't talk.
You can't just be talking.
No, no, no, no, no.
I don't agree with him.
I'm going to say something.
I'm going to say something.
unidentified
Excuse me!
joe rogan
No, it's not cool.
No, it's not okay.
ari shaffir
I kicked a girl out in Calgary.
She wrote letters to every one of the clubs I was booked at for the next 15 weeks.
brian redban
Are you serious?
ari shaffir
Yeah.
Saying what a horrible person I am and how she didn't do anything.
joe rogan
What happened?
ari shaffir
I threw her out for being horrible.
She was talking all through the first guy, and then I started, and I was like, hey, stop, stop.
I saw you talking about 30 straight minutes.
You've got to be quiet.
We're not going to do that.
And then they were like, all right.
They did one more thing.
I told them to be quiet again, and then I heard her go, next subject.
And I was like, get out.
Just go.
Get out of here.
Front seats.
We got extra ones.
brian redban
I just had to throw out my first person on a Thunder Pussy the other day for the same thing.
The girl was talking the whole time.
The boyfriend would not shut her up.
ari shaffir
Yeah, the boyfriend doesn't shut her up.
He's just happy to be getting some.
joe rogan
You can't shut a girl up.
You either ask her to be quiet or you ask her to leave with you or you leave her there.
ari shaffir
Or you leave her there, yeah.
joe rogan
You can't shut her up, man.
That shit never works.
Especially like a really mouthy woman.
Yeah.
That's what she likes to do.
Some people hold back all week long and then they like to get drunk.
ari shaffir
Get drunk and get fighty.
joe rogan
Get crazy.
Get fucking aggressive.
brian redban
It ruined my whole entire set because she was just fucking sitting there the whole time and I'm just like, alright, I couldn't take it anymore.
joe rogan
It happens.
It happens all the time.
It's weird.
It's the enemy of comedy sometimes but then sometimes it's fucking hilarious.
Sometimes it turns out to be something funny.
You know, we also have the advantage that we were comedy store comics.
There was no crowd control.
ari shaffir
None!
joe rogan
None!
Zero!
Like, people would say, like, I would do, like, a show and someone would heckle, and it would go so well, people would say, was that planned?
Like, tell me, is that guy a plant?
Like, no, where'd you come up with all that stuff?
Like, when you start out at the comedy store, you go to war every week.
ari shaffir
Not only is it not police, even when you come off and there's been a horrible heckler the whole time, no one then goes to the door guy and goes, oh, you should throw somebody out.
They just moan about it in the back to themselves.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Yeah.
ari shaffir
Fucking ass.
And then the next guy deals with it.
The guy after that deals with it.
And nobody says something.
joe rogan
Yeah.
It's hilarious.
ari shaffir
Guilty of it too.
joe rogan
That place was the worst.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
unidentified
There's no place.
ari shaffir
Yeah, Sam Tripoli always thought that people were like, you throw him out if he was talking to the mayor, but not for me.
joe rogan
There's also an extra douchiness to that place because it's in Hollywood and it's a famous, iconic building.
So you would get these people that were like there's an extra level of douche that you get from people that are like in Show business that are douches or trying to make it in show business There's a lot of people that give attempts at show business and they're really insane And it doesn't go well for them And so they'll if they'll be at a comedy club and they'll see someone doing something and they decide and they're insane head Not only that, this guy ain't shit and I'm better than him.
I could be funnier than him.
Like, I've heard people...
ari shaffir
It's like, you're a mattress salesman.
I've heard people in the audience.
You don't do this anymore.
joe rogan
I've heard people...
Well, there could be a comic or there could be an actor in their mind.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
But it's just this extra douchiness of people that are out here.
You know what I mean?
It's like, it's an unchecked douchiness that you don't find that often in the East Coast.
It's a different kind of douchiness.
Yeah, unchecked.
ari shaffir
What the fuck is wrong with you?
joe rogan
Yeah, nobody like...
They don't have friends.
They don't have people that go, shut the fuck up.
ari shaffir
They have drunk hecklers in Boston, though.
joe rogan
It's a different kind of drunk.
ari shaffir
Yeah, it is.
It's like out of control.
joe rogan
They're savages.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
They're just like...
ari shaffir
They're all blacked out already.
joe rogan
They're the descendants of wild savages that came over here on boats before there were movies.
I mean, just stop and think about that.
They didn't know what the fuck was over here.
These people are crazy.
The genetics of the first Irish that came to America?
Yeah.
Maniacs.
ari shaffir
Who would get on the boat and survive it?
joe rogan
Who the fuck would do that?
Hey, we're thinking about going on a boat to a place that we can't really describe because, you know, we don't have any photos or anything because they haven't invented cameras yet.
But it'll take a few months.
ari shaffir
Because they haven't invented cameras yet.
joe rogan
It'll take a few months and hopefully we won't die of starvation.
And by the time we get there, I mean, hopefully the savages won't eat your babies.
They won't shoot arrows into us.
ari shaffir
But hopefully, I mean, they will.
They will eat a lot of your babies.
joe rogan
No, hopefully they won't.
You like your babies.
You don't want them to get eaten, otherwise you can't spread your seed across the country.
ari shaffir
Wait, so when did we make enemies with the Indians?
Why did they attack and just steal the women and stuff?
joe rogan
Listen, everybody that lands in a country and invades a country is an attacker.
You know, you might not think of yourself as an attacker, you think of yourself as a colonist, but you're an attacker if you run into people that were already there.
It's just that simple.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know, and you can say, well, hey, you know, they should make room for us, too.
Okay, maybe.
Well, maybe they don't want to.
ari shaffir
Because it's theirs.
joe rogan
Yeah, and if you show any aggression to them, and you're taking food out of their children's mouths.
ari shaffir
We've got to get these things out of here.
joe rogan
Yeah, and then there was also the fucking treaties that were broken and all the horrific crimes that they fucking...
ari shaffir
Here's some smallpox blankets for you.
joe rogan
Yeah, all the horrific crimes that were perpetrated on the American Indy.
I mean, God, you start and hear those stories and think about it, and you hear about the slaughters and the fucking mass genocide and just the numbers.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
You know what?
Australia, they're respectful of the Aboriginal people.
joe rogan
Yeah?
ari shaffir
If one Aboriginal kills another one, the white people don't deal with it.
joe rogan
Really?
ari shaffir
Like, you guys, it's on you to deal with this.
joe rogan
You know what freaked me out when I was there?
ari shaffir
Because they had their own justice system.
joe rogan
What freaked me out when I was there was they were telling me about during the 50s, I guess it was, where they had this concerted effort.
They decided to take Aboriginal children from their parents and raise them in the white world to help them, to benefit them.
ari shaffir
That's so egocentric to begin with.
joe rogan
Oh, it's so crazy and dark.
But the idea was that they were going to try to civilize these people, and the only way to do it would be to take their fucking kids.
Like, that was a real plan.
We're going to evolve them.
Yeah, man.
They took their kids.
unidentified
Oh, wow.
joe rogan
They took their kids because they believed that their culture was better.
ari shaffir
So much better.
joe rogan
That's so crazy.
ari shaffir
You're an idiot if you don't think so.
joe rogan
That's so crazy.
That's so crazy that people could take people's children.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's so crazy.
And, you know, apparently, like, they have a lot of the same issues that American Indians have with alcohol problems in their communities.
ari shaffir
Iboriginals?
joe rogan
Yeah.
ari shaffir
Iborigines?
joe rogan
Yeah, the Native Americans, apparently it's a genetic issue with a lot of them, that they don't have ancestors.
ari shaffir
Because they grew up without it for so long.
joe rogan
Yeah, their ancestors didn't develop the tolerance, and they weren't accustomed to alcohol the way, like, Europeans were.
So apparently aboriginal people in Australia had a similar problem.
So a lot of them, there's a lot of alcoholism, a lot of real problems with...
I don't know if they ever had alcohol before, but they probably didn't have the shit that we have.
Even if they had their own alcohol, they didn't have wild turkey.
They didn't have any crazy tequilas.
They didn't have some shit.
ari shaffir
Yeah, maybe they had some mead.
joe rogan
Yeah, they might have some fermented berry juice that kind of gets you high.
ari shaffir
If you leave it out, chase off the flies.
joe rogan
Yeah, but they were so arrogant that they thought it was okay to take their kids.
ari shaffir
Wow, that's so mean.
joe rogan
It's horrible.
ari shaffir
Pulling a kid away from a mom.
joe rogan
Horrifying, terrifying, the ugliest aspects of humanity.
ari shaffir
You know what I started to think recently?
joe rogan
What?
ari shaffir
So I thought about Philip Morris.
joe rogan
The tobacco company.
ari shaffir
And you think of their evil people trying to addict you even though they know it's already bad for you.
But they're not evil people.
They're just people that had a job there that are doing that stuff.
They're not these, like, all old men.
They're just people who got a job and now they're still doing that job.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ari shaffir
Even though they know it's terrible.
joe rogan
Sort of.
Someone has to make the decision to sell cigarettes.
Yeah.
ari shaffir
You could easily just say, oh, I'm not going to take this job in the accounting firm.
joe rogan
I think cigarettes are going to be a thing of the past.
I think the shit that he's sucking on, that kind of thing, is going to make much more sense for people.
If that stops killing people, why wouldn't they do it?
It's a nicotine distribution device.
brian redban
It's definitely getting people into smoking these again, though.
It's helping the tobacco firms find a way to make money again.
ari shaffir
Because they've all invested heavily in it.
brian redban
Because new people are actually getting hooked on just to smoking nicotine now.
unidentified
I've noticed.
joe rogan
What is the actual health differential?
ari shaffir
What's the difference?
Those are outlawed in New York now.
joe rogan
Really?
ari shaffir
Yeah, indoors.
Because they said secondhand smoke, even though there's vapor, but they said the problem is they put on their package...
It's safer than smoking cigarettes.
And they're like, you have to prove that.
You can't just say that.
You need to show me a study.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Yeah.
That is the problem.
You do have to prove that.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
It's like some sort of carcinogen or something where it falls into the same category as cigarettes.
joe rogan
See, it doesn't seem like that blue cigarette stuff.
It lingers more.
ari shaffir
It lingers more.
joe rogan
Like smoke.
I don't smell it, though.
brian redban
You definitely smell, because how I found out about this actual one, this girl was smoking it.
And it smelled like strawberries.
And I just walked by and I'm like, what?
What was that strawberry smell?
ari shaffir
Is that your vagina?
unidentified
Oh, shit!
brian redban
And then she showed it to me and I'm like, oh, I'm winning that.
But it does smell.
And I can see if you don't like strawberry and then you walk around.
ari shaffir
Come on, man.
I'm at the library.
brian redban
Yeah, but people with perfume, man.
joe rogan
No, there's nothing wrong with that smell.
I smell it when you just did it, but it smells nice.
It's like a nice smell.
I didn't smell it.
Cigarettes are disgusting, man.
You used to come into the car after you smoked cigarettes.
Brian would pretend he wasn't smoking.
ari shaffir
Oh yeah, it would stick to them in the cold.
joe rogan
Oh, and you'd come into the car and we would all smell it like, oh dude, that's nasty.
People don't like to hear that shit.
People that smoke cigarettes, especially.
ari shaffir
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
They don't like to hear it.
ari shaffir
No, you can't smell it.
unidentified
Okay, fine.
ari shaffir
I guess I made up the smell I just smelled.
joe rogan
It's so stinky.
unidentified
You stinky fucks.
ari shaffir
Yeah, in the cold.
In the cold, you come in.
joe rogan
It's stinky fuck.
brian redban
It's awful.
joe rogan
Cigarette smells a stinky fucking smell.
brian redban
And it's gross.
joe rogan
It's bad for you, too, fucks.
ari shaffir
Wait, no.
Get it together.
joe rogan
It's bad for you.
Don't do it.
Get it together.
ari shaffir
These will be very better for that.
It probably will take off.
It'll probably be the cigarette in 10 years.
It'll probably have to.
joe rogan
Well, this is the thing.
They say that nicotine is actually an effective cognitive boost.
It gives you like a little...
That was one of the things that Stephen King said.
When Stephen King stopped smoking cigarettes, he said he really felt it.
He really felt the difference in his synapses firing, is the way he described it, and writing his books.
Nicotine has like a sort of a stimulating effect on thinking and creativity for a lot of people.
ari shaffir
But it's the tar and the tobacco that gets you.
joe rogan
Well, no, it's a lot of the chemicals.
There's like 590 chemicals that they add to cigarettes on top of the tobacco itself, all approved by our lovely government.
But these insane chemicals are essentially designed to change the flavor and to make it more addictive.
ari shaffir
You know what they do with the nicotine?
They have a certain amount, they'll shoot it up real high, like all of a sudden, from five to like seven.
And then everyone has to smoke less cigarettes because it's like all of a sudden they're getting too much.
So they only smoke like half a cigarette or whatever.
And they're getting their fix of whatever they need.
And then they plummet it.
Once you get used to that, they plummet it down to like two.
Yeah.
And then you start smoking more because you're not getting what you need.
Then they push it right back up to average again.
joe rogan
Wait a minute.
They vary it?
ari shaffir
Yeah.
But on occasion in order to get you fucking more addicted.
They do that now that they already know it causes death.
They're still trying to get you more addicted.
joe rogan
Well, I didn't know they could do that.
So they can vary the amount of nicotine they have.
How do you know this?
ari shaffir
That's what a word on the street is.
unidentified
Motherfucker.
ari shaffir
That's what I've heard from smokers.
I think Big J told me that.
joe rogan
It's a dark business, man.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's for sure.
Especially if you've ever seen anybody that's dying of cigarettes, emphysema, people that are dying of lung cancer.
ari shaffir
Yeah, I have not.
I thought James died of that, though.
joe rogan
Really?
ari shaffir
Yeah.
He got a stage 4 tumor.
That's when they found it.
unidentified
Whoa.
ari shaffir
He was dead in like two weeks.
It wouldn't make any sense, and then gone.
joe rogan
Whoa.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
Smoked a lot of cigarettes, that guy.
ari shaffir
Smoked a lot of cigarettes.
joe rogan
Mike Lacey from the Comedy Magic Club.
ari shaffir
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Uh-huh.
ari shaffir
He made you cry that time, Brian.
He was telling you to stop smoking cigarettes.
brian redban
Oh, why was I crying?
ari shaffir
Because he gets to you, dude.
He's so nice.
joe rogan
He's such a nice guy.
ari shaffir
No, Brian, look at me.
Look at me.
We care about you.
We don't want you to die.
He did one of those, like Robin Williams.
joe rogan
Well, he's a legit, beautiful person.
brian redban
Was it a breakup with a girl at the same day or something?
ari shaffir
I don't know, maybe.
joe rogan
Yeah, your cat hurt its foot, so you were shoving cigarettes directly into your veins.
You were opening up veins, stuffing cigarettes.
ari shaffir
I dreamt I stubbed a toe.
joe rogan
Yeah.
I dreamt I stubbed a toe.
I can't fucking hit anything.
ari shaffir
I know that was so uncomfortable.
brian redban
I cry pretty easy.
I almost cried the other day.
It's just what I'm drinking, I think, sometimes.
ari shaffir
Maybe.
joe rogan
What you're drinking makes you cry?
brian redban
Yeah, if I drink too much turkey, that's why I need to- Wild turkey?
I start crying.
It's beautiful?
joe rogan
Your body's breaking down.
ari shaffir
You cry because something's beautiful?
brian redban
Yeah, stuff like that, or I think about something ridiculous.
joe rogan
If you drink that much wild turkey, your body's breaking down.
It's just slowly dying.
It's getting poisoned.
It's moaning, like my old cat.
brian redban
Have you had fireball, Joe?
Shot fireball?
Have you had fireball?
joe rogan
What is that?
ari shaffir
It's been a while.
joe rogan
What is it?
brian redban
Have you had it?
ari shaffir
Yeah, it's like cinnamon-y, right?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
What is it?
brian redban
It's this shot that used to be popular when I was in college.
unidentified
Goldschlager?
brian redban
It kind of went away near the time of Goldschlager and Aftershock.
Like all those really weird shots.
But then it kind of went away and it came back and they like repackaged it and everything.
Now it's like everywhere you go it's everyone's drinking Fireball.
But it's my new drink.
joe rogan
Savages.
Savages.
Each and every one of you.
brian redban
Cinnamon whiskey.
joe rogan
I wanted to talk to you guys about this Jerry Seinfeld thing.
ari shaffir
Oh yeah.
joe rogan
Pull this up, Brian.
Pull it up.
It's on Gawker.
Gawker.com.
G-A-W-K-E-R. Just pull up Gawker.
It's like right on the front page.
It's who cares about diversity in comedy.
Says Jerry Seinfeld.
Yeah, that's not what you want.
Just look up...
But look up...
Just do a Google search on the title.
Diversity Jerry Seinfeld.
And he's getting just gawker diversity Jerry Seinfeld.
ari shaffir
He's doing a public interview.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ari shaffir
There's people around.
joe rogan
I don't want to comment on it until we actually pull the video up because I would like you to hear it from him first before we even comment on it.
Because it's an important subject for guys like Ari and I as comics...
There's like some shit that they're trying to attach to this.
unidentified
Here.
Yeah, let's get into that.
ari shaffir
Back up, back up, back up, back up.
unidentified
I have noticed that most of the guests are mostly white males of 22 episodes.
Yeah, let's get into that.
Take a look over here, Peter.
What do you see?
A lot of whiteys!
What's going on here?
Oh, this really pisses me off.
But go ahead.
Really pisses me off.
Well, that's okay.
Go ahead.
But you made a comment on the Tina Fey episode that I thought was interesting that I'd like to get your thoughts on a little bit more.
You said, you were talking to her and you said something about female comedians.
It's a struggle for them to balance their feminine projections with their comedic goals.
Yes.
And in the context of comedy, not gender diversity, I just want to know what you meant by that.
Well, I'm just kind of curious what it's like to be a woman In comedy, as opposed to a man, there's a little bit of a difference.
And I thought that might be an interesting thing to discuss from her perspective.
She's so successful at it.
And I'm just wondering how she looked at it, if she even thought about it.
And she kind of gave me the answer, which is, yeah, you do have to think about that.
But, you know, it's just another thing to think about.
Okay.
All right.
Fair enough.
But there were a lot of things about comedians and cars in the beginning.
The first ten I did, I think, were all white males.
And people were writing all about that.
brian redban
That's part of the reason why I asked.
unidentified
People had tweeted at me when I said I'm interviewing with Jerry Seinfeld.
Ask him about their gender diversity on the show.
Yeah.
I mean, people think it's the census or something.
I mean, this has got to...
Represent the actual pie chart of America?
Who cares?
It's just funny.
You know, funny is the world that I live in.
You're funny, I'm interested.
You're not funny, I'm not interested.
And I have no interest in gender or race or anything like that.
But everyone else is kind of, with their little calculating, is this the exact right mix?
You know, I think that's...
To me, it's anti-comedy.
It's anti-comedy.
It's more about, you know, PC nonsense than, are you making us laugh or not?
joe rogan
Right, right.
Yeah, well...
ari shaffir
They went off on that and said that, see, it shows that he's, like, racist.
joe rogan
Well, I saw people, I saw a video, I don't even want to bring it up, I don't even want to pull the video up because I don't want to watch it again because it was so annoying, of people that were taking that and saying that that's a problem.
They're taking that.
He's not saying...
ari shaffir
He's not saying, I don't care if you think I'm racist.
He's saying, I only care about what's funny.
joe rogan
He's trying to make things funny, and he's not concerned about making them diverse.
ari shaffir
It's like if you think, oh, how can we have anybody with mustaches on your show?
Because I wasn't even thinking about that.
That's what he's saying.
joe rogan
You should be able to do creatively whatever you want, especially when your goal is to just make stuff funny.
Like, why should he have to?
I mean, if I watch a show with all Koreans in it, I don't get upset that there's no white people.
People say that, well, you know what, that's just because you're white and you're privileged and white people have the advantage.
ari shaffir
There's an overall problem maybe of not using enough black people and not using enough people of color, but that's not each individual shoot's problem.
joe rogan
Well, it's not the best thing about this world that there's racism.
It's one of the worst things, right?
It's not the best thing about our culture that we aren't equally represented in the media.
It's not the best thing when you have to factor in populations, you have to factor in...
How long these people have been in the business?
How long these people have been in the business?
There's a lot of shit going on when you talk about putting a fucking show on television.
A lot of people think that once someone gets into a position where they have a successful show, then on top of having to create that show, they also have an obligation to be diverse because they're representing America.
And they're supposed to give Opportunities to an equal percentage of the population.
ari shaffir
They're trying to get me to do that for that storyteller show.
joe rogan
This is where it's a problem.
You're not talking about some government position.
What you're talking about is a creative thing that you're making.
If you're comfortable doing it only with black people, you should only do it with black people.
ari shaffir
Then it becomes a problem.
I asked four or five girls.
None of them could do it.
I did my part.
What am I supposed to get somebody worse just because...
joe rogan
Yeah, it's ridiculous.
You should, especially like that, like the storyteller type thing, you should get whoever you think is good.
It's your show.
Things that you think are interesting.
But I know you, so I know if you find a woman who's a gay, black, There's also not that many black cameras at the clubs.
Seven foot tall woman, and she's really funny, you'll fucking love her, and you'll start talking about how great she is.
If she's a five foot nine white girl, you know, who's really cute, but she's really hilarious, you'll say she's really hilarious.
I know you don't give a shit about anything not funny, so it's one of the reasons why I wanted to play this when you're here, because it's like, they're tricking him.
ari shaffir
That's what you should be focused on.
joe rogan
But they're tricking him.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
It's a set-up question.
joe rogan
It is a set-up question because it's kind of a goofy...
You know what he's trying to do when he's trying to make a good television show.
ari shaffir
He's also pretty much...
Most of that show is him in a car getting coffee with his friend.
And look, there's cliques.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ari shaffir
People have the people they hang out with.
And there's not that many black comics at the clubs.
joe rogan
There's nothing wrong with it.
That's the point.
ari shaffir
It's just who he is and who his friends are.
Yeah, he did a show with those four people.
He's going to have them on.
Yeah.
You want him to force a black guy in.
It's like he's just having mostly his friends.
brian redban
And look what happens when they had Chris Rock on, they got pulled over.
So it's just...
ari shaffir
Did they?
brian redban
Yeah, at the end of the episode, they got pulled over.
joe rogan
He should be able to do whatever the fuck he wants.
It's his thing.
He should be able to do whatever he wants.
The idea that you should be even debating that he's got issues because what he wants is different than what you expect him to want.
ari shaffir
Because it doesn't represent the exact numbers?
So he had 3 out of 20?
If he had...
5 out of 20 would have been okay.
joe rogan
There's nothing wrong with Sex and the City.
There's nothing wrong with a show that's only about women.
unidentified
Sex and the City is horrible.
ari shaffir
Yes, it is wrong.
joe rogan
No, if you're a woman and you were in your 40s when that shit came out, you would love it.
It's just wrong for Ari Shafir.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
But for them, nothing wrong with that.
ari shaffir
It's just women entertainment.
joe rogan
If it's a bunch of women doing shit for women, they should be able to cast whatever women they want to cast.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
There shouldn't be a man that steps up and says, hey.
ari shaffir
That was my favorite used to say about Lifetime Television.
It was a billboard of a girl holding a gun up, another girl holding another gun up, and then another guy behind her.
Like in The Force also.
And you're like, what is it?
Lifetime television.
It's like sci-fi for women.
Like this could never exist.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ari shaffir
What are you talking about?
You're both hot and you're leading the squad?
joe rogan
Yeah.
ari shaffir
Really?
joe rogan
And the guys behind you is back up.
ari shaffir
Just accepting that role.
joe rogan
It is like sci-fi for women.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
It is.
ari shaffir
Wouldn't it be awesome if the world was like this?
joe rogan
Yeah.
There was a few of those fucking silly movies.
But that's okay for them, man.
If that's what they want, it's okay.
unidentified
Yeah.
ari shaffir
If that's what they want, black entertainment is so bad.
joe rogan
Whoa, what are you saying?
ari shaffir
It's so bad.
What they feed them is fucking garbage.
joe rogan
You mean like Tyler Perry?
Is that what you're trying to say?
ari shaffir
Yes, absolutely.
That's one.
joe rogan
That's one.
ari shaffir
It's just all of it.
It's so bad.
Have you ever seen like the CW, the black shows?
joe rogan
Which shows?
ari shaffir
Whatever they are, over the years.
Moesha to the Wayans Brothers to whatever.
joe rogan
The Wayans Brothers?
How dare you?
ari shaffir
It's just bad entertainment.
They're offering them.
They don't offer them anything of value.
joe rogan
You say them like there's some other people.
ari shaffir
Yeah, they offer that group, the blacks.
I feel bad for them.
joe rogan
The blacks.
The blacks.
ari shaffir
All their fucking black comedy movies.
It's like, what is this?
Soul Plane.
It's just goofy.
joe rogan
Well, whatever happened to Robert Townsend?
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
Remember, he used to do...
ari shaffir
Hollywood Shuffle.
joe rogan
Yeah.
He did some really cool, funny movies.
ari shaffir
Yeah, what happened to people like that?
joe rogan
It's really interesting because there's a bunch of known white comedy directors, like Judd Apatow.
ari shaffir
Harold Ramis, over the years, there's been tons of them.
joe rogan
Guys who produce white...
Todd Phillips?
unidentified
One of those.
joe rogan
They're producing white comedies, hilarious white comedies.
You don't hear about a lot of black guys that are doing that, it's so true.
ari shaffir
But are they white comedies, or are they just comedies?
joe rogan
Well, they're not, because Craig Robinson is on a lot of them.
ari shaffir
Yeah, that's true.
joe rogan
He was awesome in This Is The End.
ari shaffir
He was really good in that.
joe rogan
Fuck yeah, he was.
ari shaffir
I like the part where Michael Cera got stabbed by a thing, and he's like, somebody took my cell phone, and I start bringing his back pocket, and he's like, oh, that's really embarrassing.
joe rogan
That was a funny movie, man.
When Kenny Powers came in, that's when it became the most awesome movie ever.
ari shaffir
He's such a dickhead.
joe rogan
He does that character so good.
Start washing his feet with their fucking, whatever water they had remaining.
Small amount of water.
But again, I mean, you should be able to make a show with whoever you want to make a show.
It doesn't make you a racist person.
ari shaffir
And he's right.
It's irrelevant.
The terms you're talking about have nothing to do with that world.
That world, that's what he said.
It exists in funny.
That's it.
That's all that matters.
joe rogan
But the idea that you should have affirmative action in comedy.
That you should, you know, and that's essentially what they're saying.
They're saying that you should have to have X amount of women.
You should have to have X amount of black people.
If you don't, they're saying, wait a minute, do you have just a lot of white friends?
ari shaffir
But then the problem is that you're making female comedy worse.
You're making it worse for advancing people without merit.
You're making it overall worse.
joe rogan
Well, you can, most certainly.
You know, the other argument would be that he just doesn't hang out in those cliques, so he doesn't know these funny women, and it would benefit everybody if he got to know them and had them on.
I could see that argument maybe if there was like a pool of talent that you knew that was like really fucking crackling that you wanted to have on your show.
But at the end of the day, it's who he wants to talk to.
Like when people say to me, like, why did you have a Bigfoot expert on?
Because I want to fucking talk to a Bigfoot expert.
You know, why do you have a bow hunting expert on?
Because I want to talk to a bowhunting expert.
ari shaffir
I find it interesting.
joe rogan
You don't have to listen, you know, but if you want to, I will do my best to try to make it entertaining and I will try to ask the questions that I have.
I will try to explore as objectively and thoroughly as possible my perspective and my point of view.
So, I mean, somebody asked me the other day, like, how many gay people we had on.
Well, I don't know, like three or four or something like that, like maybe.
Melissa Etheridge, Todd Glass, Justin Martindale.
Who else?
We had some other ones.
ari shaffir
Let's out somebody.
brian redban
Yeah.
joe rogan
We had a few others.
Well, whoever the fuck it was.
You know, and someone was like, well, why haven't you had more?
brian redban
I don't know.
joe rogan
Who cares?
Like, why do I have to?
Like, now I don't want to.
How about that?
You know, now you bring it up.
I'm annoyed.
ari shaffir
But then it's also like, am I just not friends enough with black people or gay people?
joe rogan
Listen, man, anybody I find interesting, I'll talk to.
I give zero fucks about what they look like.
I don't care.
I don't care if someone's black or white or fat or skinny.
If they're interesting, they're interesting.
I don't care.
I really don't.
I don't care what kind of music you like.
I don't give a fuck.
I'm not judgmental on that stuff.
ari shaffir
Please don't wear sweatpants.
unidentified
I'll talk to anybody.
joe rogan
I'm sweatpantsin' it to death, son.
brian redban
I'm into it.
joe rogan
I'm sweatpants in it.
I'm with a jacket, a nice tracksuit jacket, and a fat fanny back with my Higher Primate logo.
Have you seen the Higher Primate fanny pack, Ari?
ari shaffir
I don't think so.
joe rogan
So sexy.
ari shaffir
Let me see it.
joe rogan
So sexy.
Once you see it, you'll understand my passion.
This garment.
Eventually we'll all have purses.
But until then, the higher primate fanny pack is what's up.
ari shaffir
I do think the men got the shaft on the accessible pouches.
joe rogan
Look at that beautiful leather.
Look at the front.
See that little higher primate logo?
ari shaffir
It says higher primate?
joe rogan
Yeah, it's a monkey with a chimp with a light bulb above his head.
Like, I got an idea.
ari shaffir
First idea.
joe rogan
First idea.
That's the higher primate.
That's the first step.
A curious chimp.
ari shaffir
We used to always look through the checks at the comedy store to see who got what.
We were always like, who's Hire Primate?
There's a few we didn't know.
joe rogan
That's not my company.
My company's...
Well, I can't tell you.
You shouldn't say it online.
Everybody, keep it together.
But the Higher Primate fanny pack is just the beginning.
ari shaffir
Nice.
joe rogan
From there, I'm going to launch a bunch of other gay shit.
ari shaffir
Yeah, that pisses me off.
Did you see what Natasha did when she had that thing for New Year's Eve?
joe rogan
Yes.
Yeah.
People got mad at her.
It's dumb.
ari shaffir
There's no reason to get mad.
joe rogan
It's so dumb.
And she made the best apology you could ever make.
It was perfect.
ari shaffir
She was like, fuck you.
I'm not sorry.
You misunderstood it.
unidentified
They're old.
ari shaffir
Their teeth fall out when they're old.
That's the joke.
joe rogan
Well, not only that, she was pretty clear that she was just joking around.
It was pretty obvious that it was just her trying to...
ari shaffir
Real veterans are being mistreated as they come home now.
That's the issue you should worry about if you want to honor the veterans.
joe rogan
It's a joke, and it's not that people were really upset.
It's that people think that they have the license to be upset and that they can get you in trouble.
That's what people are trying to do.
They're trying to get you in trouble.
They're not just trying to change things.
They're trying to get you in trouble.
ari shaffir
So they can contact the network and say, you should do something.
joe rogan
I was offended!
She said this.
You don't have anybody in your family that says something that dumb occasionally.
They miss one.
They go for a little old person joke.
ari shaffir
I want vengeance, and I deserve vengeance.
joe rogan
She should be fired out in the street.
ari shaffir
But if an episode of a drama is not any good, you can't fire anybody.
joe rogan
Put her in the street!
ari shaffir
What I want to see is if it's not such an innocuous joke, if it actually is a borderline rape or murder or pedophile joke where it's not completely nothing and it's not a cute woman doing the non-apology.
joe rogan
Right.
ari shaffir
I want to see how people get that or if people like Chris Rock are going to puss out again like he did Tracy Morgan and just do a 180 and go from like, no, he can say whatever he wants to, well, alright, you go too far sometimes.
joe rogan
What happened?
ari shaffir
Chris Rock, when Tracy Morgan had that thing with the gay...
joe rogan
He said he went too far?
ari shaffir
Yeah, he just totally flipped his views.
joe rogan
Well, there's certain things that you feel like...
ari shaffir
They called him overnight.
joe rogan
Wow.
There's certain things that you feel like you can't fucking endorse.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know, and that kind of gay bash thing, like saying that he would stab his son if his son was gay.
People are like, oh, I can't endorse that.
I can't endorse that.
But if you know Tracy Morgan...
ari shaffir
He's been doing that stuff forever.
joe rogan
That's what he does.
He says ridiculously outrageous shit that he doesn't really mean.
ari shaffir
And now, because it's popular, you're going to go against it?
Say whatever he wants.
joe rogan
You know what he's doing.
Everybody knows what he's doing.
It's like a joke to pretend that he's not saying something completely outrageous that he absolutely doesn't mean.
unidentified
How old you are?
joe rogan
Yeah.
ari shaffir
That's what he said.
How old you are?
unidentified
Are you 26?
You must be fast!
ari shaffir
How fast your pee?
My pee's slow.
joe rogan
Yeah, he rubs his belly.
Someone getting pregnant.
He was slapping his belly on that TV show.
Someone getting pregnant tonight.
Tell you right now.
Someone getting pregnant.
You know, that's his whole thing.
ari shaffir
It was a real rumor that he couldn't read.
A real legitimate rumor that people were talking about.
joe rogan
Well, Charlie Barnett couldn't read.
That's how he couldn't get on the Saturday Night Live.
ari shaffir
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah, Charlie Barnett.
ari shaffir
Charlie Barnett was Shave Chappelle's teacher?
joe rogan
Yeah, him and a lot of other guys.
When I was in New York, he was already not there anymore.
I don't know where he was.
He died of AIDS, I believe.
But he was like a guy who...
It was Dave Chappelle.
He sort of taught Dave Chappelle how to do...
Those street side shows, I think.
I might be talking out of school.
But I have seen Dave Chappelle do a street side show.
Dave Chappelle did it in Montreal.
It was pretty hilarious.
unidentified
Really?
joe rogan
I mean, he was really young, too.
It was when I first met him.
I think he was probably like...
I first met him in New York, and then I saw him again up in Montreal when he was maybe like 19. He stood on the side of the highway?
Took his hat off, put his hat on the ground, and did a comedy show, and then passed his hat around.
ari shaffir
Wow.
joe rogan
And people put money in it.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
This was before he was famous.
And he would just do it at the drop of a hat.
Just do...
Did you ever notice?
Just to make money.
It was funny.
It was good.
ari shaffir
I wonder what tricks he must have developed to get the crowd.
He must have developed certain things in order to get them to gather around.
joe rogan
I think he would just call them around, and he looks like a guy who'd be fun to listen to talk, so people slow down.
Some folks are in a hurry and some folks aren't, and the ones that aren't, they circle them, and then he'll do a little five-minute comedy show and then pass a hat around.
I saw him do it in Montreal.
Apparently, Charlie Barnett used to do that, and he was legendary at it.
He was awesome.
He was awesome at being hilarious to a bunch of people off the cuff.
He had material that he would do, but he would also be off the cuff funny, and he would gather people around, and then he would hand out the hat, pass out the hat.
And that's how he would make some money.
And he became famous doing comedy, did a lot of stand-up, people loved him on stage, and then he got an audition for Saturday Night Live.
And apparently the word was that he got the part, but he couldn't read.
So since he couldn't read scripts, they couldn't hire him.
ari shaffir
It's tough to work in that environment without being able to read.
joe rogan
Yeah, and apparently he had a problem with intravenous drugs.
ari shaffir
He loved them.
joe rogan
Yeah, he found out about them.
That's the problem.
But he apparently was like...
I keep saying apparently.
Apparently I ran out of adjectives or words.
He was like one of the pioneers of that style of comedy.
ari shaffir
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah.
ari shaffir
All natural talking?
joe rogan
Yeah, well, not just natural talking, but like...
Knowing how to captivate a group and get everybody to settle down and put out a hat.
That's such a tough crowd that when you go onto a stage at a comedy club...
ari shaffir
It must be nothing.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's like you're running uphill all day.
ari shaffir
Whenever we saw those Thirsty Promenade people, everyone had the thought of, like, can I do comedy here?
Could I do it?
joe rogan
Yeah.
It's hard, though.
I've never seen anybody do it besides Dave.
I've never seen anybody just do, like, street comedy.
It just seems weird.
ari shaffir
It does.
I've seen the goofy, like, the dancers will do comedy in between when they're going to make a dance.
joe rogan
Well, I don't think Dave would do it today.
I mean, I know he did do some shows in Seattle.
Remember when he wasn't doing official shows anymore?
He did a show in Seattle where he just showed up and brought a speaker and started doing stand-up in the park.
ari shaffir
Wow.
Let's put it down.
joe rogan
Yeah, his career has been fucking fascinating.
He's a fascinating guy.
ari shaffir
You ever have him on the podcast?
joe rogan
I would definitely, but I've never run into him.
I need to run into him.
I haven't run into him since I've been doing it.
brian redban
He said he would do it.
I ran into him a couple times.
joe rogan
Yeah, I gotta get a hold of him.
He would be awesome to have on.
ari shaffir
Yeah, I bet.
joe rogan
He's a good dude, man.
He's a funny fucking guy, too.
He's a funny guy.
He's been funny for a long time.
ari shaffir
Dude, when he came back from Africa, he did that show in the main room.
I don't know if that was after you stopped going there or before.
brian redban
I have that on tape.
ari shaffir
Do you really?
brian redban
In my car.
ari shaffir
It was so packed and everybody was there.
Fucking Bruce Willis was there.
Soundgarden was there.
The fucking fire department showed up and just asked if they could sit on the steps to block the fucking escape.
joe rogan
Wow.
ari shaffir
Everybody.
That was the ticket.
brian redban
Did you see Kiss the other night was at House of Blues and there was like Arnold Schwarzenegger was there.
Stallone was there.
joe rogan
Paul's family is doing the podcast.
brian redban
Oh really?
joe rogan
Yeah.
brian redban
Dog the bounty hunter.
ari shaffir
You got Eddie Bravo to come in too?
joe rogan
I don't know.
I don't know if Eddie can but I want to get Ace Frehley too.
I met Ace Freely when I was like seven years old.
unidentified
How?
joe rogan
My uncle was an artist, and he worked for the advertising agency that created the album covers and the album art.
It was back when they had, you know, they were artwork.
I mean, the album would open up, especially two discs, like Kiss Alive 2, would have two records in it, and it would open up, and there's all these images, and advertising guys would put together these albums.
They made the artwork, so they hired artists, graphic artists, to create these things.
And Ace really came into the office.
I went to work with my uncle.
He took me to work with him, because I was an artist at the time, too.
I was really into art.
And so he wanted me to see what his office was like, in case maybe I wanted to do it someday.
And I just so happened to be...
He took me in a couple times, but I just so happened to be there the day that Ace Freely arrived.
ari shaffir
Was he wearing his makeup or anything?
joe rogan
No makeup.
That's why I was so crazy.
Because at the time...
It was, like, no one knew what they looked like.
They would walk around with bandanas over their face.
ari shaffir
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah, it was a big thing.
Like, photographers were constantly trying to catch them.
ari shaffir
Oh, wow.
joe rogan
Yeah, they were trying to catch them out.
Because if they caught them, they would get the first photo of them.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
And there was a few of, like, calls down, like this, where you'd see, like, this much of his face.
ari shaffir
Like the neighbor from Tool Time?
joe rogan
You'd see, like, this much of his face.
You wouldn't see his total face.
You'd just see, like, a little bit.
unidentified
Yeah.
ari shaffir
So you saw him?
joe rogan
Yeah.
So I saw him when I was like, I think I was like 7 or 8 or something like that.
It was crazy.
I couldn't believe it.
I was like starstruck.
So I can't believe you.
ari shaffir
Did you tell the rest of your classmates and have them not believe you?
joe rogan
Well, my cousin had seen them a bunch.
My cousin, Iona, she was like friends with them.
They would go play softball together, and she would talk about it.
She's like, it's the weirdest thing.
I played softball with Gene Simmons, and you had no makeup on.
We were playing softball with Kiss, and no one knows it's Kiss.
They have no makeup on.
You're like, this is the nuttiest thing ever.
And my uncle was like, he's a really cool character, very artistic character, so his daughter was very cool as well.
She's really smart, and she...
You know, so like her describing it was very, it was like, she was not, she was totally taking into account the bizarreness of it.
She's like, so I'm standing there and I'm playing softball with Kiss.
And as I've got this glove on, I'm looking around and she's like, what the fuck am I doing?
unidentified
I'm playing softball with these guys that don't have makeup on.
joe rogan
This is the most famous, I mean, she was my age at the time.
We were both like, you know, like eight years old.
ari shaffir
How massive did they get?
joe rogan
Oh, they were huge.
ari shaffir
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah, they were gigantic.
I saw them in the 90s.
ari shaffir
Kiss.
joe rogan
Well, I saw them in the 70s when I was a little kid.
My uncle took me to a show.
And that was when he was working for the company back then.
I was really young.
He took me to a Kiss show.
ari shaffir
That's weird.
joe rogan
I might have been like 10 or something like that.
Maybe 11. At the most, I was 11. But he took me to a Kiss show then.
I went to a couple.
And then I went to two in a row with Kevin James.
ari shaffir
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah, in the 90s.
Kissed when they made their comeback.
Was it the 90s or the early 2000s?
ari shaffir
I think it might have been 90s.
joe rogan
I don't think I was even on Fear Factor yet.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
And Kevin was out here.
Kevin had won Star Search.
He won Star Search?
Yeah.
ari shaffir
Sort of Bushman.
joe rogan
Yeah, Kevin was a bad motherfucker.
ari shaffir
Bushman beat Norm Macdonald.
joe rogan
Kevin's one of the most underrated stand-ups ever.
Really?
ari shaffir
Really?
joe rogan
Yes.
Yes.
Listen to me.
That dude, he could hit moments on stage.
He had some bits on stage that were fucking murderers.
But he always wanted to keep it clean and family-friendly.
And he wanted to make it...
He didn't want to piss anybody off.
He didn't want people to not be able to go to his shows.
He kept his act...
Real clean.
Especially once he had Cane Queens.
ari shaffir
Then he cleaned up even more.
joe rogan
He would never do a bit that you would do or I would do.
ari shaffir
I remember when his hour special came out.
It was one of the first hour specials.
It was too big for a half hour.
It was just like...
joe rogan
Let me tell you something.
I was with that dude when he was coming up.
Before he got any of that shit, that guy could kill me.
He was hilarious.
He was really funny.
He used to do this bit about getting pissed, because Kevin is a sweet guy.
He's an awesome guy.
But if he gets pissed off, he's got a fucking temper.
He doesn't do anything, but he does get angry at shit.
He's not a violent guy.
But you could see him get fucking crazy about shit.
So he had this bit about his girlfriend.
He was hitting the unlock button on the door at the same time she was pulling the handle, and they cancel each other out.
And he had this bit where they kept doing it again, and it builds up.
Fucking hilarious bit, man.
And he would go apeshit on stage and scream.
I don't even think he swore back then.
He might swear a little bit, like shit or something like that, every now and then.
But he was trying to do a very specific type of comedy.
ari shaffir
That story about him at Montreal or Aspen with Sussman and the deal he got where you're like, come talk to my guy.
Let him see what he can get you.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
That's an unfortunate story, but I don't think we can repeat that because it's very bad for someone's business.
ari shaffir
Oh, whatever.
joe rogan
Yeah, we can't repeat numbers either.
But yeah, he got lucky and got a good manager.
My manager knew exactly what to do.
He had another older manager that wasn't giving him such great advice.
And they're about to get him to make a terrible...
Well, they had said a lot of shitty things to him.
One of the things they said, no one would ever believe this if you never worked in Hollywood, but there was a guy that was working with him before that actually told him to not lose weight.
ari shaffir
Really?
Because they'll go out of category?
joe rogan
Yep.
Wow.
The actual quote was, Kevin, when you lose weight, you're losing roles.
ari shaffir
Wow.
joe rogan
He actually said that to him.
When you lose weight, when you get healthy, no one's going to like you.
That's unfortunate.
It's not possible for you to be this funny unless you're a fat fuck, okay?
So stay a fat fuck so we can all make money.
Kevin!
When you lose weight, you're losing roles.
We're losing money, Kevin.
ari shaffir
That's so mean.
joe rogan
People don't want you in there.
ari shaffir
You're going to die early, but we can use you.
joe rogan
It's the worst thing ever because it gave him a green light to eat whatever the fuck he wanted.
Kevin, when I first met him, was a pretty stout character.
He was even thinner and more stout when he was in high school.
He was really into karate for a while, did a lot of karate, was really in good shape.
And when he was in really good shape, he was like 200 pounds and ripped, man.
Just a tank.
ari shaffir
Those old pictures of Joey Diaz where you're like, who's that?
joe rogan
He's a tank.
Yeah.
But when a guy tells you shit like that, like you lose weight, you're losing rolls, you're like giving a guy a green light to just eat whatever the fuck he wants.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know, that's rude.
They're just trying to make money.
They're just idiots.
People that want to tell you how you should be.
You know, you shouldn't be healthy.
There's Kevin.
ari shaffir
Oh, yeah.
unidentified
I don't need an iron anymore.
That's pretty cool.
It is so hot down here, I cannot take it anymore.
Although in my room I have air conditioning, which I love.
It's great, because I grew up without air conditioning.
It was the worst.
My dad was too cheap.
joe rogan
Don't do his bits, because he probably wouldn't like that.
unidentified
This is Star Search.
ari shaffir
Oh, that was Star Search?
Two-minute comedy.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ari shaffir
It's so weird.
joe rogan
Yeah, he probably would go, ah, you fucking do my bit, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't.
Please don't.
ari shaffir
Please don't.
joe rogan
You know how comedians are, like, you take a chunk of their material and put it on, like, oh, I hate that bit.
Don't fucking do that bit.
You know?
But he would kill me, man.
He was really funny.
He got really into making a TV show.
He really enjoyed the process of making a sitcom.
He's good at that shit.
He's good at comedic acting.
I just really wish he would really chase comedy more.
The guy was so funny, man.
He used to kill me.
When we were kids, we were in our early 20s together and we would do gigs together.
We did a lot of gigs together.
He was hilarious, man.
He was a hilarious dude.
And he was like real honest about his insecurities and shit.
ari shaffir
Some of the people you started with are actually still around.
joe rogan
Yeah, a lot of them are still around.
ari shaffir
Made it.
joe rogan
Yeah, a lot of them have made it, really.
ari shaffir
Still doing this.
joe rogan
Yeah, like Norton.
Norton and I have been friends since, fuck, since we were both like 21 or something like that.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
You know, we're both like 46. I love seeing somebody in my open mic days.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ari shaffir
Like, how you doing?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Well, Greg Fitzsimmons is my oldest friend ever.
Greg Fitzsimmons and I literally went on stage like within a week of each other.
ari shaffir
Wow.
joe rogan
Yeah.
We were friends in the dark, dark days of open mic nights.
We were buddies back when we were, you know, complete amateurs.
Neither one of us.
We were terrible.
We had nothing.
So to, like, be friends still, to be friends now and see him, like, I downloaded his...
ari shaffir
The odds you make it past six months were small.
joe rogan
Not so good, for sure.
But I downloaded his new comedy special.
He just has a comedy special that he just put out.
ari shaffir
Is that the one where he talks about how...
How easy Americans have it?
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah.
Oh, it's fucking great.
But I listened to it on the way home from a gig and was laughing my ass off.
It was really fucking funny.
It was really funny.
And it was so cool to be able to drive home and listen to, you know, a guy that I started with.
And he's slaying.
And even more cool for me, for Greg, because Greg for a while was a, Greg is a multiple time Emmy winning writer.
ari shaffir
Oh yeah, he makes a lot of his money writing.
joe rogan
Well, he's won Emmys.
He's a really good writer.
He's got a good book as well, but he decided to take some time off of doing stand-up.
He didn't do stand-up for a long time.
Maybe he did it occasionally, but he really didn't dive into it like he's back doing now.
And then after he dove back into it, then he put out this special.
It was extra cool driving around listening to that special.
Because I knew what he did.
I knew how he worked.
I knew that he got back into comedy.
And I knew that he really loved it again.
A lot of our friends, we talk about that.
Callan and I have the same conversation every week.
He was just in some club.
He did Cap City in Austin.
And we're on the phone.
We're just both in our cars, just catching up.
And he goes, it's the greatest fucking job in the world.
It's the greatest fucking job.
I don't want to do anything else.
He goes, I do other things.
I don't want to do them.
He goes, what I want to do is I want to do comedy.
I want to tell jokes.
It's so fun.
You watch them on stage.
I've had a chance to do some shows with him lately, too.
And you could see him just really enjoying this.
Having done all these movies and all these TV shows that he didn't really necessarily enjoy because he thought he was supposed to be an actor.
And then seeing him just murdering with his own silly goose style of comedy because he's so silly, you know?
It's really fucking great to see, man.
Really great to see.
Really funny, funny shit too, man.
Like, knowing guys, I've known Callan since 94. Really?
So I've known Greg since 88. Greg's my longest-running friend in comedy.
ari shaffir
Christ.
joe rogan
But Callan and I have been best friends since, like, the moment we met.
You know?
I mean, there's like a core group.
ari shaffir
Was it him in New York?
joe rogan
No, I met him out here.
I did MADtv.
He was on MADtv and I was the host of MADtv.
ari shaffir
He was on 7th Heaven for like a bunch of episodes.
joe rogan
Yes, yeah.
He did fucking 7th Heaven.
ari shaffir
And Oz.
joe rogan
Don't pull up videos of us on MADtv.
I know what you're doing, you fuck.
We were children back then.
But we became friends like almost immediately.
That's cool.
We said like three or four sentences together and we were playing, hanging out together.
Yeah, he's just a fun dude.
It's hard to make fun friends, but it's cool when you run into him and you collect him.
You're like, oh, I found a good one.
He's a good friend.
And then you see that guy prosper.
You see that guy growing and developing.
It's one of the most depressing things when you see a guy who used to do good.
I don't want to say any names, but guys that we know that had potential, and then they fell off.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
And then they stop doing comedy altogether and you're like, my God, we came up together.
Like, that guy was just as good as me in 1998. Like, what the fuck?
Yeah, they stopped.
They stopped.
They stopped doing comedy and they, you know, he got a job.
unidentified
Like, what?
ari shaffir
A job?
joe rogan
Doing what?
Why didn't he?
Oh, my God.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
Why didn't he follow up?
ari shaffir
It scares everybody else, too.
Like, is that a possibility?
joe rogan
Yeah.
ari shaffir
One of the guys we know who can just stop?
joe rogan
People don't know.
They don't understand.
And that's why they get angry when I use the word civilian.
By the way, everyone who gets angry because I use the word civilian to describe non-comics, go fuck yourself.
For real.
For real, go fuck yourself.
ari shaffir
You're a civilian.
joe rogan
Stop your whining.
Stop your demand for respect.
Stop all of it.
unidentified
Stop what?
joe rogan
You know what we're talking about, you dummies.
We're talking about the difference between someone who understands the fucking hectic, chaotic, mental war you go on.
In your head when you're being a stand-up comic.
We're describing the mess of this life that you will not understand if you don't do it.
Just like if you're a stockbroker and I'm not, call me a civilian, I'm not going to get offended.
I wouldn't get offended, by the way, if I was a fucking soldier either.
I wouldn't get offended.
You know what people are saying.
It's called a figure of speech.
Don't be a cunt.
Find some other shit to be annoyed at.
Don't be a cunt.
Find some other shit to be annoyed at.
There's plenty of things that are real that you could be annoyed at.
Don't be annoyed if somebody uses the term civilian.
It's silly.
brian redban
Did you see that video of a comedian in Tennessee that there was like a group in the front row that were like wrestlers and stuff like that, like these big guys?
They start heckling and then the guy gets on stage and racks him right in the balls.
ari shaffir
Racks who?
Racks the comic?
brian redban
Racks the comic.
ari shaffir
Oh no.
brian redban
Here's the video.
joe rogan
Oh, I don't want to see this man.
brian redban
The guy is huge too.
It's a...
ari shaffir
Balletville Cafe, I don't even know where that is.
joe rogan
He hit him in the balls?
brian redban
Yeah, he gets on stage and then racks him.
ari shaffir
Racks him?
Why did you get the word racks?
joe rogan
Oh, he told them what it means?
Do you know the term?
unidentified
Yeah, I saw that.
joe rogan
I was on stage when...
I guess he already did it.
unidentified
...decided to meet me in the balls.
Yeah, that's nice.
I feel like the next thing you're gonna do is try to shake my hand and be like...
joe rogan
He already did it, I guess.
unidentified
...on stage.
Jesus Christ.
ari shaffir
Why is he still in the room?
joe rogan
Where did he start doing it, man?
unidentified
Not cute.
ari shaffir
Upright.
unidentified
What does that even mean?
Phantom of the Opera?
ari shaffir
You think I'm roleplaying the Phantom of the Opera?
unidentified
What a fucking pussy do you think I am?
Jesus, man.
brian redban
If I'm doing roleplaying, it's Catholic schoolgirls.
unidentified
Every time, dude.
joe rogan
Okay, I don't think this is it, Brian.
Well, find it, then.
ari shaffir
I don't want to sit through this.
Slop.
Why was he still in the room?
These clubs, like, just, alright, they already attacked the comic.
Tell him to leave.
Tell him to settle his bill and leave.
joe rogan
Guy comes on stage and taps you in the balls.
It's over.
They're just a little too comfortable hitting each other.
When you hit each other for a living like wrestlers do, they slap each other in the face.
A regular person does not like that.
They don't want to deal with that shit at all.
People who don't respect professional wrestling, you might not enjoy it as a form of entertainment, but you better respect how hard it is to do.
ari shaffir
Piper came to the store the other day.
joe rogan
Those guys fucking, they sacrificed every part of their body.
ari shaffir
They're all weathered.
joe rogan
They're all broken up, man.
That is a crazy fucking way to try to make a living.
He's throwing chairs at each other and shit and jumping off the top rope and fucking doing flips and landing on your face.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's some crazy shit, man.
That is one of the most destructive jobs in show business as far as what it does to your body.
ari shaffir
Slamming on the ground.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
Do you remember the Brock Lesnar one where he did the shooting star press?
You know, he did a flip but he missed the flip and landed on his fucking head?
ari shaffir
Oh no, really?
joe rogan
Yeah.
He was trying to do a flip and like pin a guy.
Like he was going to get on the top rope and do a flip and pin a guy.
But he missed.
ari shaffir
And just bam on his head?
joe rogan
Landed right on his fucking head.
ari shaffir
I had Tate sling.
joe rogan
Oh, that guy just kneed him in the balls?
unidentified
You're going to come up on stage.
What are you going to do about it?
joe rogan
I'm not backing down, bro.
unidentified
Oh.
Oh.
ari shaffir
He wants to hit him back.
brian redban
I know.
joe rogan
Okay, I don't want to watch this, man.
ari shaffir
That's fucked up.
unidentified
That's harsh.
joe rogan
Yeah.
You shouldn't have left that guy on stage.
He definitely shouldn't have said, what are you going to do?
Like, what's up with that fake bravado of having that guy on stage and saying, what are you going to do?
And this fucking giant wrestler guy standing in front of me.
ari shaffir
And meet him with balls.
joe rogan
Taunting him.
He shouldn't be on stage, first of all, definitely, for sure.
But, you know, the fucking show is basically over at that point.
ari shaffir
It's such a weird position now.
He's like, oh, what do you want me to walk away?
joe rogan
Well, yeah, you're getting bullied by a giant wrestler, too.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
I mean, that guy was twice the size of that guy.
ari shaffir
Why did he go back and sit down and nobody throws him out?
joe rogan
It's ridiculous.
You can't go on stage and knee somebody in the balls and then they don't throw you out.
ari shaffir
Why can't you get sued for that?
Why can't you be like, this random stranger just knee me in the balls?
That's not part of my job.
joe rogan
Yeah, you should be able to sue for that.
The club, for sure, you should be able to sue the guy.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
The guy for kneeing you in the balls.
ari shaffir
Well, Tammy had that drink thrown at her and she tried to press charges and the sheriff was like, no, no, it's just comedy.
joe rogan
What?
ari shaffir
She's like, he threw a drink at my head.
He threw a glass at my head.
I want to press charges.
joe rogan
That's assault.
They didn't bring him in?
ari shaffir
Uh-uh.
joe rogan
That's insane.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
You can't throw a glass at somebody.
If he hit her, that's a fucking weapon.
ari shaffir
I know, but he's like, ah, she's part of comedy.
It's like, why?
Why is it part of comedy?
We don't agree to that?
joe rogan
What?
ari shaffir
What do you mean?
joe rogan
What a fucking lazy cop that is.
That's what that is.
That's a guy who didn't want to fill out some paperwork.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
I wonder where that was with Tammy.
joe rogan
Because the actual assault didn't happen.
ari shaffir
I don't know.
joe rogan
Maybe it's just like, alright, I filled up that.
ari shaffir
Or he's a local and she's not.
So, like, I'm not gonna just arrest somebody over some traveling salesman.
Local in LA? No, it wasn't here.
It was on the road somewhere.
joe rogan
Oh, I was like, that doesn't make any sense.
Like, where did this take place?
It must have been some fucking hillbilly shack.
ari shaffir
Yeah, I don't know exactly.
Texas or somewhere?
Nashville?
I don't know.
joe rogan
You're just making shit up.
You're just making shit up?
ari shaffir
No, I don't know where it was.
joe rogan
Texas and Nashville are nowhere near each other!
ari shaffir
It was somewhere.
joe rogan
Chicago, Canada, something.
ari shaffir
Somewhere Redneck.
joe rogan
Fucking Florida, I don't know, something.
ari shaffir
Something.
joe rogan
Yeah, man.
That's not cool.
But, you know, that's one of the problems with owning a club.
You own a club, you're serving people one of the most ridiculous drinks.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
One of the most ridiculous drugs when it comes to behavior, like managing your behavior.
ari shaffir
Dork lights.
joe rogan
You just give people, like, this drug that makes them want to behave like a fucking asshole.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, a good percentage of people want to behave like an asshole.
ari shaffir
On that.
joe rogan
On that drug.
And then you're selling that.
That's what you sell.
And you need them to be around.
And then you got some guy who's on stage talking mad shit about sucking dicks and shooting cum into people.
And people getting crazy.
They get crazy.
They're drunk and someone's talking about sex and crazy talk.
unidentified
Let's go!
joe rogan
Yeah, they get nutty.
And they just can't believe what they're hearing.
They want another drink.
Where's that fucking waitress?
I want a drink.
ari shaffir
Yeah, they hear somebody talking loud.
joe rogan
Yeah, and there's a lot of that.
Well, you shut the fuck up!
Sometimes you hear that.
Well, you guys need to shut the fuck up!
They hear that in the audience, people arguing with people.
ari shaffir
Oh, yeah.
Somebody else tells them to be quiet because they can't hear.
joe rogan
Last time we were at...
Duncan and I were at the Hollywood Improv in Florida.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
And some people almost duked it out.
ari shaffir
In the audience.
joe rogan
Yeah, because one group was talking, the other group turned around.
They were like, will you shut the fuck up?
A guy jumped up and he was pointing at this big fucking giant fat guy.
You shot the Rob Ford looking type character.
He was screaming at these people and they were screaming back at him and it was like, wow, in the middle of the fucking show.
ari shaffir
You guys are all disruptive.
Please stop that.
joe rogan
Yeah, he was getting super angry and loud because the guy behind him was loud.
Like, it was more about him than it was even about the show.
Like, Even though there was like 300 people there for this show, I understand that this guy is being a dick, but his yelling made it way crazier for everybody else.
He wasn't concerned about that.
Once the confrontation started, it was out of his control.
ari shaffir
It was on.
It doesn't matter.
Sorry to everybody, but this is happening.
joe rogan
Everybody else, fuck you.
ari shaffir
That's the fight Superman got into.
This latest one.
Just destroying a bunch of buildings.
joe rogan
Superman got into a fight and destroyed buildings?
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's so stupid.
Why isn't he fighting the desert?
If you're Superman, you grab guys, you bring them out in the desert, and you kick their ass off.
ari shaffir
Let's do it here.
joe rogan
You don't kick people's ass in the middle of the city, you fucking dummy.
You can fly around the world in a second and you choose to duke it out in the city, you're an asshole.
Guilty!
Next case.
ari shaffir
Send him to the sun.
joe rogan
That's what I would say.
If I was a fucking judge and Superman came in and he told me to smash these buildings apart, I'd be like, what?
Why didn't you take him to the moon?
Duke it out up there, you fucking asshole.
ari shaffir
Oh yeah, that's right.
unidentified
I can breathe up there.
joe rogan
He can go wherever he wants.
He can do anything.
Superman can fly to space.
He's fucking Superman.
ari shaffir
Yeah, he can.
joe rogan
He lives in a different kind of planet, man.
ari shaffir
I never liked Superman because of that reason.
I'm like, he seems indestructible.
joe rogan
Yeah, he's totally indestructible.
Unless you get that kryptonite.
ari shaffir
I guess.
joe rogan
You know what kryptonite is, right?
ari shaffir
What?
joe rogan
Pussy, for sure.
ari shaffir
Woman.
joe rogan
Yeah, it stands for pussy.
That's what it is.
Look, it makes him weak.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
It takes him out of character.
He can't make decisions for himself.
ari shaffir
Yeah, that is what it is.
joe rogan
Eventually, it sucks his power away and he dies.
ari shaffir
Dude, there's times where you just know you're making the wrong decision.
joe rogan
With a woman or with kryptonite?
ari shaffir
With a woman.
And you're just like, ugh.
joe rogan
Yep.
ari shaffir
Why am I doing it?
Even as you're doing it, you're like, why?
God, it's because of the pull they have.
joe rogan
Yeah, well, you know what it is, man?
Your genes want to spread.
ari shaffir
Yeah, you can't help it.
joe rogan
And women who have beautiful bodies, like a woman's body, is the most incredible magnet for a man.
ari shaffir
I swear it came a little bit.
I'll just wipe it off.
It'll be fine.
joe rogan
Let me just get my finger in there and clean it out.
ari shaffir
I would not have made that decision yesterday like this.
joe rogan
Did I shoot it in her?
What?
unidentified
What?
joe rogan
No, I did not.
Shit!
ari shaffir
I did it with a black girl finally.
unidentified
Ooh.
joe rogan
Bam.
Let me pee and then tell me.
ari shaffir
Okay.
joe rogan
Hold your story.
Talk to him about something.
brian redban
I don't know.
ari shaffir
I guess I'll wait.
I don't know.
Just so you know, everybody, my next storyteller show is in Los Angeles, February 27th at The Improv.
Me, Marc Maron, Ralphie Mae, Louis Katz, so far.
brian redban
Sweet.
ari shaffir
Yeah, $5.
brian redban
That's a nice show.
I like that show.
I like the one that you had with Natasha, Bobby Lee, Renizzisi, and you were all talking about the whole thing.
ari shaffir
That was a fun one.
brian redban
Yeah, that's really good.
ari shaffir
That was a fun one.
Did you like it?
brian redban
Yeah, I loved it.
unidentified
It was so fun.
ari shaffir
It's so funny how Bobby can't not be funny.
brian redban
Yeah.
ari shaffir
Yeah, that was a really good one.
Look at this is not happening.
brian redban
Yeah.
ari shaffir
Go do a YouTube search for that.
You'll find it.
But yeah, that was a good one.
Steve eventually just lost control, so he's just like, oh, whatever.
Keep going.
I like when Bobby lies, and then when you both, when you say, no, you're wrong, and somebody else says you're wrong, he'll go, okay, all right.
brian redban
It was really cool, because I've heard that story so many times, but never actually seen, like, a Natasha around there.
ari shaffir
Yeah, all of us together.
brian redban
When she brought up the water thing, I could tell you were like, oh, I did do that.
ari shaffir
Like, I'm sorry about...
People ask me who was right and who was wrong.
I was like, it doesn't matter.
I'm just embarrassed about my behavior.
I don't care who else's behavior.
brian redban
Yeah, because you dumped a water glass on her.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
Heartbreak, man.
It gets you.
San Jose Improv, March, middle of March, and again, Chicago Zanies this weekend.
brian redban
I love that place.
I was just there, and go across the street to that, yeah, improv, go across the street to that dab place.
ari shaffir
There's a museum right there, too.
joe rogan
San Jose Improv down the street from Joe's.
ari shaffir
Joe's, yeah.
joe rogan
What's that called?
ari shaffir
Original Joe's?
joe rogan
Original Joe's, yeah.
ari shaffir
Original Joe's.
Yeah, that was good later tonight.
joe rogan
Oh, they have like a real wood grill for steaks there.
ari shaffir
Oh.
joe rogan
Yeah, they have like real wood coals.
They put lump charcoal underneath the stake.
It's a charcoal broiler.
A real broiler.
Yeah, yeah.
Dude.
You can watch them.
If you get a seat by the bar...
ari shaffir
We went there once with two fighters.
joe rogan
We've been there a bunch of times.
ari shaffir
John Fitch and...
joe rogan
And Mike Swick.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
That was when Mike Swick was telling us about how he used to work for the United States government.
He was working in Russia and their buildings were bugged.
The Russians bugged the buildings with incredibly sophisticated equipment.
And he was like, they were so far ahead of what we were capable of.
He said they had bugs that were operating on the power generated by the movement of the building in the breeze.
unidentified
What?
joe rogan
They figured out a way to generate enough power to keep the microphones going and transmitting.
Transmitting!
Like, producing energy!
And they got it from the movement of the fucking swaying of the buildings.
He was like, they were so far ahead of us.
ari shaffir
Why were they bugging his room?
joe rogan
They were bugging whatever building he was working at, government building he was working at.
What people don't realize is, the Soviet Union, like during the Cold War, like during the advancement of their rocket program along with our rocket program, they got the first fucking guy in orbit, man.
I mean, they were incredibly advanced.
ari shaffir
And you think that's one of the reasons we made up the moon landing?
joe rogan
Well, I don't think we made up the moon landing.
ari shaffir
You don't?
joe rogan
I've changed my position.
What?
Yeah, this is what I think.
ari shaffir
Give me my hours back!
joe rogan
How dare you?
brian redban
You owe us five years.
ari shaffir
You have to figure it out.
joe rogan
You have to figure it out.
You can't figure it out initially.
If you watch that Fox show, watch the Fox show on the moon landings, it's very compelling.
It's very compelling.
It's a really interesting...
ari shaffir
Say how it is real.
joe rogan
Saying it's not real.
But the odds of that being true, it's so small.
It's like, I don't know what happened, but if I had to guess what happened, I would say they went to the moon.
And I would say, when you look at some of the photos that look like they're staged, and the fact that all of them were centered, there very well could have been some counterfeit photos.
They definitely did a little bit of that back then in NASA. There was a photo from Gemini.
I believe it was Gemini 15. It was Michael Collins.
And they took a photo of him in training with these wires and this harness on.
And then they blacked out all the wires in the background and then used the same photo and said that he was in space.
ari shaffir
Really?
joe rogan
That he was doing a spacewalk.
Like, who's taking his picture during the spacewalk?
Nobody.
It wasn't a real photo.
There was nobody out there with a fucking camera walking with him.
ari shaffir
We just started faking photos, so we didn't know that yet.
joe rogan
It was a fake photo.
They didn't think that people were going to think that many steps ahead.
So, I think it's very possible that they might have faked some things.
Like, some photographs might have been on a soundstage.
brian redban
For publicity and stuff.
joe rogan
Yeah, for publicity and to make sure that they got a record of it.
ari shaffir
John Kerry showed those pictures of Syria of all the dead bodies and it was from like five years ago.
joe rogan
Dude, my favorite quote though is Clinton's quote about it.
Clinton talked about when he was a kid, he was working for a carpenter and the guy said that he didn't believe anything on television, that those television fellers can put things on TV and make you think it's real.
Yeah.
And he said, back then I thought that guy was a quack, or a crank, but during my eight years in the White House, I saw things that made me think that maybe he was ahead of his time.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
That's a Clinton quote on the moon landing.
ari shaffir
Do you think they tell each president, like, here's what, let's catch you up on the stuff.
joe rogan
Yeah, moon landing is fake.
ari shaffir
Or do you think they don't even tell them?
Why would they want to tell them?
joe rogan
Well, if it really was fake, which again, I don't necessarily think it was.
I think it's more likely that there's some fuckery involved in some of the evidence because they were trying to create things that were used for publicity.
There's some video that looks really fucking hokey.
There's this video of them jumping around like they're on trampolines when they're on the moon.
It's really weird.
It's really weird stuff because there's no consistency in the way they move.
If you watch the earliest video from Apollo 11, when they're walking on the moon, you watch their movement, and then watch the later stuff, it's like they move a little differently.
They can do weird shit.
They can jump and fly through the air later in the videos.
They got better at whatever they were doing.
ari shaffir
How did you get better at walking in space?
joe rogan
Well, it's just weird.
So I think that it might...
Very well be that some of the footage that you look at, it's possible, and I'm not suggesting that we didn't go to the moon.
I know I have in the past, but what I'm suggesting is some of the footage might be fake.
It's possible.
They used to do that kind of stuff back then.
I know we don't like to think that, but they did a lot of stuff like that.
They still do it now.
They still fake things now.
ari shaffir
They had billboards of Martin Luther King with white women.
joe rogan
Oh, sure.
ari shaffir
With billboards in the South.
Of course they did.
unidentified
Just fake photos.
joe rogan
Meanwhile, Martin Luther King fucked a lot of white women.
How about that?
unidentified
What?
joe rogan
How about he loved it?
Who wouldn't?
You're Martin Luther King.
ari shaffir
Yeah, I bet he did.
joe rogan
He probably knew he was going to die.
Just get on a rampage.
Get that white pussy.
brian redban
What's this black girl like 5 p.m.
or 2.30 a.m.?
ari shaffir
What does that mean?
joe rogan
The color.
ari shaffir
Oh.
Like 5 p.m.
This is a starter black.
joe rogan
Oh, okay.
ari shaffir
This is definitely she.
Okay, she wasn't.
I mean, for me to go in full bore, that's kind of crazy.
joe rogan
Right.
ari shaffir
She was not from this country.
She was from, like, uh, England or, like, the, or the, um, Jamaica-ish, yeah.
And, like, raised there, yeah.
Real white, real not hip-hoppy at all.
joe rogan
Hip-hoppy?
ari shaffir
Yeah.
It was a very starter, like, just get in there.
brian redban
Was she half-black?
ari shaffir
No, I mean, you know, they're all black.
brian redban
What the fuck, Ari?
joe rogan
Don't say it like that, man!
brian redban
Did the vagina seem any different to you?
Any colors?
Any shapes?
ari shaffir
Surprisingly similar to white pussy.
It was pretty shocking, actually, how similarly shaped and feeling it was.
joe rogan
What's the saying?
They're human beings, Ari.
How dare you?
ari shaffir
But then it got weird when she snored, and it was like, oh, so manly.
I had trouble after that.
joe rogan
Oh, no, no.
ari shaffir
We're such a manly way to sleep.
brian redban
Watching your dick go into that pink hole, though, with the contrast with the black is such a cool sight, though.
It really is.
Like if you have a darker one, because they are just bright pink inside, like pink Starbursts.
joe rogan
If you have a darker one.
This is not what women want to hear.
ari shaffir
It's a medium rare.
joe rogan
These are not the kind of things that women want to hear.
brian redban
It's like a blackened steak with a medium rare inside.
ari shaffir
Yeah, exactly.
The inside, pink.
brian redban
Yeah.
joe rogan
So good for you.
ari shaffir
Thanks.
joe rogan
Adding diversity to your sexual life.
ari shaffir
Exactly.
Broadening my horizons.
joe rogan
I think a lot of people would salute you for that.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
I'm also dating chicks a little bit too.
joe rogan
Yeah?
ari shaffir
Yeah, it's weird.
joe rogan
Why is that weird?
brian redban
It's hard, right?
ari shaffir
Yeah, to go on like full dates and like, let's just try to explore you as a person instead of like...
joe rogan
Do you get bored?
ari shaffir
Try to get laid.
unidentified
It just seems like, fuck.
ari shaffir
What are you doing?
joe rogan
The conversations you're having?
ari shaffir
Yeah, in my head.
I'm like, come on, let's just go back and fuck.
Wow.
No, I don't say that out loud.
That's what I think.
joe rogan
But that's what you think.
You don't really want to talk to them.
You just want to fuck them.
ari shaffir
Yeah, so I want to get to the point where I'm like, no, let's enjoy a new human and fucking enjoy them for a minute.
joe rogan
So you're trying to mature.
unidentified
Yeah, maybe.
joe rogan
You're trying to find women that you actually like as people and not just as sexual people.
ari shaffir
But if you get some just purely sexual partners, then you can do that.
Then you can afford to explore with a woman.
joe rogan
That's true.
Once your needs are met, which are many, the biological needs.
Yeah, that's a weird thing where you're supposed to not be able to say that.
But a woman is allowed to say that.
If a woman says that, you know, hey, I take these men and I let them know, look, I'm here to fuck.
I'm busy.
I've got a career.
You can fuck me.
And then when you're done, you've got to go home.
ari shaffir
The man's not going to argue with that.
joe rogan
The guy would be like, okay.
ari shaffir
But if a guy says that, it's like, you fucking asshole.
joe rogan
Yeah!
Could you imagine if there was a hot woman who ran a business or something like that?
Whatever.
She makes fucking sculpture.
She doesn't have any time, but she needs to get laid.
So she says, listen, Ari, here's the deal, okay?
I like you.
I think you're hot.
I want to fuck.
But I don't want you being my boyfriend.
I don't want you You can't sleep over, and don't ever fucking tell me what to do, okay?
But, if you want no strings attached, come over and fuck me, I'll suck your dick, and we'll have a good time, and then when we're done, you leave.
unidentified
You'd be like, okay, I'll do it for you.
Okay, you'd be like, yes!
joe rogan
I found her!
ari shaffir
I knew she was out there!
joe rogan
I knew she was out there.
You know, I was having this discussion with one of my wife's friends who happens to be gay.
And they were talking about the difference between two gay guys hooking up, gay guys meeting and hooking up, and a guy and a girl meeting and hooking up.
A guy and a girl trying to figure out how much yen are we going to have in this, how much yen.
ari shaffir
Yeah, they're all fighting for a position.
joe rogan
Who's going to be in control here?
ari shaffir
Setting it up.
joe rogan
Is the girl going to tell you what to do and answer your phone for you?
Or is she going to leave you alone and let you be you?
Are you going to leave her alone?
Are you going to let her wear whatever she wants and not get fucking weird with her?
What's going to happen here?
Are you going to say, are you really going to go out with that skirt?
Are you really going to go out with that skirt?
For real?
Oh my god, it's down to my knees.
It's not to your fucking knees.
It's not to your knees.
It's not to your knees, okay?
I see your legs.
God, do you really need that much attention?
There's that dude, and then there's people that are like, oh, you look hot, baby.
Have fun.
Have a good time.
Who are you going to be?
What's she going to be happiest with?
ari shaffir
What are you going to be happiest with?
joe rogan
Yeah, it's also finding someone who, like, brings out the best in you.
ari shaffir
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Like, sometimes you can have relationships that bring out the worst in you.
You, like, hate who you are.
ari shaffir
I saw some people at the airport today fighting.
Oh, that's so gross.
Leaning forward.
joe rogan
It's so not necessary for any of us to do.
It's just not.
Any of us that are involved in altercations, so much of it is both people's responsibility.
There's a dance going on when two people are communicating with each other, and a lot of times we're shitty dance partners.
ari shaffir
Yeah, sometimes I feel like telling people, like, look, it's nobody's fault, but you guys are never going to work because you just entered into this too much.
You're just too fighty.
joe rogan
It's also some people like it, man.
That's a source of drama in their life.
They don't even realize that it's completely subconscious, but they like to duke it out.
They like it.
I fucking hate it.
I don't like it with anybody.
I don't like it with friends.
I don't like it with girlfriends.
I don't like it with anyone in business.
I don't like it with other comics.
I don't like it, man.
It's not fun.
I would way rather be friendly with everybody.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
Well, it's way easier that way.
joe rogan
It is way easier.
It makes everybody feel nicer, but there's moments, man, where you'll run into people.
You're like, God damn it.
I gotta fucking defend my position here.
I gotta stay afloat here.
I gotta go, dude, shut the fuck up and leave me alone.
There's a moment where you have to say something or be assertive with someone.
Just get them to fucking leave you alone.
It's annoying.
There's people that just don't get it.
They would just fuck with you until the end of time.
They're just so goofy and clunky.
They just don't get it.
I had an argument once at a party.
This guy was trying to tell me that the UN rapes children in Africa.
Rapes them?
Yeah, he was telling me that they rapes them for apples.
That's what he was saying.
unidentified
What?
What?
joe rogan
It was the dumbest conversation.
ari shaffir
Wait, he rapes them, so other people give them apples for a job well done?
joe rogan
They're giving them apples to fuck them, he was saying.
It was like they raped them for apples, he was saying it was rape.
The guy was just such a douchebag.
He was a country music guy who wound up getting arrested for cocaine dealing.
He's like a singer in this really terrible country music band that my friend knew.
Yeah, and he was like this super pro-rah-rah American guy, but in the most idiotic way possible.
And, you know, they were talking about, you know, like the United States, what they're doing over in Afghanistan and this and that.
And he was just going on about the U.N. raping people for apples.
And I was like, what the fuck are you talking about?
Like, how can you...
First of all, if you give someone an apple, it's prostitution.
It's not rape.
If you give them an apple and you fuck...
Yeah, it's unfortunate, but it's...
ari shaffir
It's not best prices in the world.
joe rogan
Rape you with an apple.
Unless you're fucking someone with an apple, you're not really raping them for apples.
brian redban
Unless it's a MacBook Pro, that's a pretty good deal.
joe rogan
Yeah, if you can get a MacBook Pro, all you have to do is just fuck one guy.
ari shaffir
That seems like a really good book.
joe rogan
One techie.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
I mean, whatever it was, it wasn't just that.
It was just the way this guy was just so aggressive with me.
It was just like, to such a point, and he put his hands on me, like on my shoulder, and said, oh, it's okay.
Like, looking me in the eye, saying, it's okay.
I understand.
You just hate America.
I understand.
ari shaffir
Oh, so dismissive.
When people get dismissive, it's like, fuck you.
joe rogan
Putting his hands on me, I was like, dude, get your fucking hands off me.
And that's when it turned ugly.
I was like, you gotta get your fucking hands off me.
Don't touch me, dude.
Don't touch me and talk crazy.
ari shaffir
So you hate America.
Well, because I questioned it?
joe rogan
Escalated it.
He had escalated it to not just that I hate America, but that he was going to do some weird alpha shit to me and hold on to me.
It was really gross.
ari shaffir
That does push it up a level when somebody touches you or pats you on the head.
joe rogan
It was a long time ago, by the way.
It was a long time ago.
Who knows if I would have ever even entered into that conversation.
Today, I don't think I would.
I think today I'm much more skillfully out of evading nonsense.
I would have known what it was.
ari shaffir
Possible upside?
None.
joe rogan
None.
I would have known.
But back then, I would be like, fuck this guy.
He fucking touched me.
You know, it was like, I was ready to kill him.
It was just, it was the most ridiculous guy ever.
ari shaffir
Like those people in your show.
joe rogan
You'll run into them, man.
Oh, some of the sci-fi people.
ari shaffir
No, the people yelling, shut the fuck up.
It's like, it's on now.
It's like, you didn't have to say that.
joe rogan
Oh, the people at the comedy show, yeah.
Yeah, well, you know, the only way to know that you shouldn't go too far is to see the results of going too far, either by yourself or other people.
ari shaffir
I told Fitzsimmons that when he gets into those articles, I'm like, Greg, you could have just walked away.
joe rogan
Oh, Greg's ready to fight everybody.
He's ready to fist fight people.
brian redban
He's very competitive, too.
When I did Doug Loves Movies in San Diego, it was me and Greg Fitzsimmons, and he took it as a game, and he thought I wasn't taking it serious enough.
He could tell immediately, like, no, man, we're in a game right now.
I was like, holy shit.
joe rogan
Yeah, he plays good pool.
ari shaffir
They kicked me out of my apartment because I let him stay in my apartment while I was in Australia.
And they're like, no, no sublets.
I'm like, it's not a sublet.
It's just a friend of mine.
He needs a place to stay, so I'm just letting him stay there.
They're like, no, it's not allowed.
I'm like, I'm going to keep doing that because it's my friend.
I can do that.
And she left me a note trying to get out.
joe rogan
That's ridiculous.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
How can they do that?
It wasn't an official eviction.
It was just like, we suggest you leave.
joe rogan
Why?
ari shaffir
Because I don't know.
I think she had a really good heart on for people subletting or something.
I don't get it.
joe rogan
People are weird with their confrontations.
I mean, some of them are necessary, but there's guys like Eddie Ift, who's a perfect example.
That motherfucker, every time you talk to him, he's got some new story about almost getting fucked.
So we're out in the parking lot, and I'm like, fuck you, and fuck you, and fuck you.
You guys want to go?
Let's go right now.
And I'm like, what are you talking about?
ari shaffir
Why did it get to there?
joe rogan
You're fighting in a parking lot in the middle of the night, and everyone's drunk.
brian redban
He hangs out with people that all are like that also.
unidentified
Really?
brian redban
There's also this Chris Wilde guy, I don't know if you know him or not, who's fighting with Tony Hinchcliffe right now on his show.
They're battling out.
ari shaffir
On what show?
brian redban
What do you mean by battling?
Eddie has a show, Talking Shit or whatever it's called now, and there's a guy that's always on the show called Eddie Ift.
joe rogan
No, Eddie Ift is our friend.
brian redban
I mean, not Eddie Ift, but Chris Wilde.
Tony was on the show also with this guy.
Didn't know him, just thought he was a friend of his.
I guess what happened is like the wild guy was like kind of mad that Tony didn't know who he was or kind of like upset or something and then they kind of went back and forth on the show But now, I guess he's just, Chris Wilde won't let it drop and has been tweeting things to Tony and stuff.
I don't know if you know Chris Wilde or not.
joe rogan
No, I don't know him, but who cares?
brian redban
He used to have a TV show.
joe rogan
I don't know what the fuck happened.
I can't really comment.
I don't know what the specifics of it were, but I'm on Team Tony Hinchcliffe always.
All day.
ari shaffir
All day, son.
Who's that chick over there?
joe rogan
That's Rosa Parks, son.
ari shaffir
That's Rosa Parks?
joe rogan
Yeah.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
I don't think that's a yarmulke.
ari shaffir
She's so light-skinned.
She's more light-skinned than Jimi Hendrix.
brian redban
It's like as light as you fucked?
joe rogan
It's hard to tell in that photo.
ari shaffir
No, I went a little darker than that.
joe rogan
Black and white photo.
So is the Hendrix photo.
It's a black and white photo.
That's Toronto.
He got busted for heroin, son.
Had heroin.
ari shaffir
I went to visit his childhood home in Vancouver.
They have a small shrine to him.
joe rogan
Really?
ari shaffir
Yeah.
And Jeff Ross and Big Jay Oakerson went there one year.
joe rogan
Imagine that.
Dude died at 27, 28 years old.
Was he 27 or 28?
27. 27 years old and he's got a shrine.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
Where's your shrine, bitch?
ari shaffir
I don't have a shrine.
joe rogan
How come you ain't got no shrine in D.C.? It's a good question.
ari shaffir
It's a good question.
joe rogan
That should be your goal.
A lot of people want HBO specials.
You should have a fucking shrine.
ari shaffir
I want a shrine.
joe rogan
An Ari Shafir shrine.
Ari the Great was born here.
ari shaffir
Shrine.
joe rogan
Ari the Great escaped from the mediocrity of his mother's pussy.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
Right here.
ari shaffir
Just make my own shrine.
Why not?
joe rogan
You can write it.
Like, if you ever read someone's bio on their website, you know they wrote it themselves and it makes you want to fucking throw up.
ari shaffir
My friend Avi Lerner lives in a part of, like, near Washington, D.C. where people have historic houses things, and he just made one up.
joe rogan
Made up a historic house?
ari shaffir
Yeah.
It was, like, a stop on the Underground Railroad or, like, something like that.
He just made it up.
joe rogan
Did he apply for it?
Like, it made it a real, uh...
ari shaffir
I don't know exactly how he did it.
If he, like, went to the city, I'm like, this happened here, so if we could get a plaque.
Or if he just bought a plaque.
joe rogan
Oh, okay.
Probably mostly bought a prac, right?
It would be really hard to, like, pass that through them.
ari shaffir
Get the city to tell them, like...
joe rogan
Yeah, they'd be like, wait a minute.
Unless you were, like, super convincing.
ari shaffir
Yeah, it was like some writer stayed here when he was visiting.
joe rogan
Well, there's probably a bunch of places that do kind of qualify for that.
For instance, Stephen King has a house in Maine, in Bangor, Maine.
And that house should be a historical house.
ari shaffir
Is there someone writing there and setting it there?
joe rogan
Not just that.
That was his house for so long.
And he's got these wrought iron gates that have these bats on them and shit.
It's a really dope-ass house.
And it's in the middle of this town of Bangor, Maine.
And everybody knew about it.
And he's such a legendary writer that that house to me is like, that's like an iconic house.
ari shaffir
So you'd put like a historic preservation on it.
joe rogan
Yeah, make it a fucking museum for Stephen King fans to come in and see this is the desk that he actually wrote some of his novels at.
ari shaffir
I love those little museums across the country.
joe rogan
That would be dope, dude.
I'll tell you, man, if they did that, they would pay for that house a dozen times over.
Just let people go and see.
Fuck yeah, I would pay.
If I was in Boston and I knew I could fly up and just check out the desk where Stephen King wrote The Shining, oh fuck yeah, I would look at that thing.
I just want to be in the room.
This is where he wrote Cujo and he didn't remember it.
ari shaffir
Soak it in?
joe rogan
Yeah.
ari shaffir
What do you mean he didn't remember it?
joe rogan
He did so much coke and drank so much booze.
He didn't even remember writing it.
ari shaffir
Stephen King did coke?
joe rogan
Oh my god, did he do coke?
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
Stephen King was a maniac.
ari shaffir
Wow, he just jumped up so many cool points.
joe rogan
Stephen King would smoke cigarettes, do massive amounts of coke, and drink beer.
And he would drink like 16, 17 beers a night, and just write until he blacked out, and then fall asleep, and then get up in the morning and coke it up, and just do it again.
Yeah, he was a maniac.
ari shaffir
Wow.
He wrote Cujo, a frothing at the mouth dog.
joe rogan
Doesn't remember any of it.
ari shaffir
Oh, it was all him.
He was Cujo.
joe rogan
Who knows?
I mean, I'm sure there were some analogies in there somewhere between a lot of his demons and the actual demons he was experiencing by being an addict.
But he was getting addicted to cocaine.
ari shaffir
I heard his on writing or whatever the book is.
joe rogan
It's great.
ari shaffir
I heard it's amazing.
joe rogan
It's great.
Yeah, I've got two copies of it in case I lose one.
ari shaffir
Oh, wow.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's really good.
It's really good.
He's a master to me, you know, and a master of a specific type of...
ari shaffir
Oh, that genre was him.
joe rogan
Well, it's a specific type of entertainment that I really enjoy, like complete fantasy.
Yeah.
Vampires and demons and spaceships with aliens, and I love that shit.
I love it.
ari shaffir
I love the short stories.
joe rogan
Yeah, dude, I love all that stuff.
I'm a huge, huge Stephen King fan.
To me, he's like, he made the world a cooler place.
ari shaffir
He made...
joe rogan
He made the world a place with the movie Carrie, you know, with the book Carrie, with Christine, that movie about the haunted car.
That was a fucking great movie, man.
He wrote that book, too, which is even better than the movie.
ari shaffir
Yeah, Christine was.
A lot of them were.
joe rogan
The books are too long.
There's too much detail.
You would like to have seen it all in the movie, but it's impossible.
The movie's got to be two hours or whatever.
ari shaffir
They got a lot of shitty actors in a lot of those movies, though, like Salem's Lot.
unidentified
Yeah.
ari shaffir
They got a lot of, like, let's just do this for 40 grand.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, well, I think Salem's Lot was for television.
I think that wasn't made for television.
Was it?
ari shaffir
That was a bad one.
joe rogan
Was it Salem's Lot made for television?
I think it was.
Then there was the Silver Bullet movie, the Silly Werewolf movie.
Oh, yeah.
With Corey Haim, remember?
ari shaffir
Oh, yeah.
unidentified
Aw.
ari shaffir
But then he also wrote fucking Stand By Me.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ari shaffir
Which is so out of his genre.
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah.
No, he could write anything, man.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
He could write anything.
He's a bad motherfucker, dude.
ari shaffir
And then he followed those, not minor league, Cub Scout baseball players, what are they called?
Little Leagues.
He followed one and started writing articles with them and they went all the way to the Little League World Series.
joe rogan
Really?
ari shaffir
While he was following them, writing about them.
joe rogan
Oh, I didn't know about this.
ari shaffir
From, like, Bangor.
Like, the Bangor main team went to, like, the Nationals or something.
joe rogan
Oh, and he was, like, writing in their local paper about them?
ari shaffir
Yeah, just following them along that season.
joe rogan
That's so crazy.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Well, it must be awesome for those guys.
Well, he can do whatever he wants, you know?
ari shaffir
He can do whatever he wants, man.
He doesn't have to apologize to say anything to anybody.
joe rogan
Yeah, he's an interesting cat, Stephen King, for sure.
And he's really giving in the way he communicates his ideas.
ari shaffir
You should have him on your podcast.
joe rogan
I would love to.
I would love to.
He's interesting in the way he communicates how he goes through his process.
He's super honest about it.
And he's one of the rare guys that doesn't have a set up Like, story in his head.
He, like, has these characters, and he has this idea that he starts with, and then he just goes.
He just starts writing.
He just starts writing, almost like goes into this crazy trance and constructs this world, and then you get sucked into it, and then you read it after he's done with it, and you're like, holy shit.
You know, he just brings it out of nowhere.
It's not like...
Like we had Scott Sigler on the podcast, who's a really cool guy and a very, very good writer as well.
But he has a totally different approach.
Scott Sigler's approach is he knows exactly where he's going.
He knows where it's going to end.
He knows where this is going to happen and get changed up.
He knows where this...
And then he has to just sort of fill it in and figure it out.
With details.
Yeah.
And, you know, make it to his liking.
But he's very systematic about it.
And we were talking about Stephen King's approach that he just lets it go.
You know, I just don't do it that way.
I couldn't do it that way.
But for him, obviously, it worked.
But Sigler's a great writer, too.
I mean, his way works, too.
There's no right or wrong way to do it.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
Do you write like that?
Do you, like, say, I want to write a joke about driving a car?
ari shaffir
No, I'll toss things over my head, I'll write a note in my notebook, and then when I look to see what jokes I should do on stage tonight or whatever, I'll keep passing that note and I'll keep thinking about it.
And then when I'm driving or when I'm on the subway, I'll keep thinking over it and then I'll just do it on stage.
joe rogan
So you don't actually sit in front of the computer?
unidentified
Uh-uh.
joe rogan
How come you don't?
Do you try that?
ari shaffir
I've tried it, I've done it before, but it's never really stuck.
I just kind of think things out in my head.
I just let my mind wander.
joe rogan
I think you should write blogs.
I think you would have some fucking hilarious blogs, dude.
And it gives you...
The thing about writing blogs is it gives you an opportunity to spend a lot of time thinking about a subject.
Because in the time that it takes you to write it and type it out...
ari shaffir
You have to think a lot more.
joe rogan
You're thinking a lot more.
And you're thinking a lot more in the containment of a particular subject.
ari shaffir
It's forcing you to actually do the thinking.
joe rogan
Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's forcing you to focus on one particular subject, too.
And sometimes just that extra focus is all you need to get that extra path that you take off that bit.
Like, you know how sometimes you find a bit, like, I don't know if it's this way for you, but for me it is at least.
I'll have an initial direction, and then along the way I realize that's not the right direction.
The right direction is one of the other taglines, and then I'll go towards that.
ari shaffir
And then the original bit just dies.
joe rogan
Yeah, totally turns it on its head.
Yeah, totally turns it on its head.
I find that those take place more when I sit down and write things.
Oh, really?
Yeah, because I give myself more paths.
Like, say if you're talking about lava lamps, whatever, and you're going on a lava lamp path.
While you're on that path and you're writing it out, instead of just thinking about it in your head, when you're forced to actually mash those keys and form a sentence in the correct way, like you're gonna read it to somebody.
You know?
Oh, that Shrivner?
brian redban
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's pretty dope.
ari shaffir
What's that?
joe rogan
It's a writing software program.
You can't see it.
It's a cork board with index cards on it, but a virtual cork board.
And you can put your notes on those virtual cork boards.
ari shaffir
Oh, that's good.
Evernote sucks.
joe rogan
Well, I like Evernote because it lets me sync up to it.
They don't lose stuff for me.
They lose stuff.
brian redban
They lose stuff.
joe rogan
Really?
ari shaffir
I looked and it's been written about.
They lose stuff for you, too.
joe rogan
Really?
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's been written about online?
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
Ooh, that's not good.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
Anyway, I think more people would benefit from blogs.
That's why I've written some of my best stuff.
So I'm going to start going back into blogs.
I'm going to commit to one blog a week.
ari shaffir
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah.
ari shaffir
And then what?
You won't mind doing material out of your blogs?
joe rogan
Nope.
I don't mind doing that because it becomes an idea.
It's an idea in the blog and then it becomes a bit.
ari shaffir
A full thing.
joe rogan
Well, it's either that or you don't get the blogs.
You know, it's like, I think people like to read things, and I think that some of them are never going to go to see my stand-up.
ari shaffir
Super fans will get to see the germinations of these ideas.
joe rogan
And if you don't like it, that's okay.
I get it.
I mean, I've heard people complain about subjects that we talk about on the podcast.
ari shaffir
But it's like, that's what's on your mind.
The problem is, that's what's on your mind.
So I'm going to do it on stage, what's on my mind.
joe rogan
It's also the problem that some people are just annoying cunts that like to complain about shit and they get to talk too.
Everybody gets to talk.
It's one of the beautiful things about the internet and one of the annoying things about the internet is that even people that are not thoughtful, that are all fucked up and really hypercritical and annoying and not rational about it, they get to talk too.
There's a guy who was a video game guy that just quit social media.
Cliffy B? Quit his Twitter.
No, it wasn't Cliffy B. It was another guy.
He's famous for making YouTube videos.
There was this thing that they were going over his career and his constant battling with people on these social network sites.
And when people would say mean things about him, he couldn't help it.
He had to respond.
He would get involved in these crazy fights.
And then he started having his employees handle his trigger for him, and that relieved him of a little bit of his anxiety.
Then he got to a point where he's like, I can't fucking do it anymore.
I'm going crazy.
I have real health problems, the stress of this.
When you start looking for that shit and reading that shit and getting into that shit, it can fuck with your head, man.
If you do something that people don't like and they all start attacking you for it, attacking you as a human being and trying to hurt your feelings, there's not just one, there's like 20 of them in a day.
ari shaffir
What was that about, though?
joe rogan
What is what about?
Those people doing that?
ari shaffir
No, why'd you say that?
joe rogan
Because this guy did that.
He quit.
He quit all his social media.
ari shaffir
To get away from it.
joe rogan
Yeah, he just couldn't take it anymore.
He makes his living off his YouTube channel.
This huge YouTube channel.
Millions and millions of subscribers.
And he's got a huge Twitter following.
Hundreds of thousands of Twitter people.
Deleted it all.
Yeah, because he just couldn't take it anymore.
ari shaffir
Good for him, it's his life.
joe rogan
I know, it is his life.
But it's interesting, like that battle, you know, with the criticism and negative people online.
ari shaffir
I released that, I was worried, but I released my album online with commentary.
I put it on my podcast.
joe rogan
Why were you worried?
ari shaffir
Well, because I was worried that someone would say, the only worry, it was like someone was going to say like, oh, this is just lazy because you didn't want to do another podcast episode this week.
And that first comment was, Lazy.
And I'm like, motherfucker.
But that was the only one.
But it was like the first one.
I was like, goddammit.
joe rogan
You can't listen to those people.
Those people are shitheads.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know, you can't tell me that I'm supposed to be...
unidentified
It bothers me, though.
ari shaffir
If somebody tells me, like, oh, I saw this joke last time or whatever, it's like, it just bothers me.
joe rogan
Well, you need to let them know, look, I'm working on jokes, and the only way to work on jokes is you've got to do them more than once.
A bit is never finished unless it's done 20, 30, 50, depending on the bit.
I mean, it's got to be done a lot of times.
You have to do it on stage and perform it and tweak it and move it around.
And if you think that, like...
You go to see me in this town, then you go to see me in another town, and it's going to be a totally different act a month later.
It's not possible.
ari shaffir
It's crazy.
joe rogan
I need to work on that stuff.
A lot of my stuff that I've released in the past, I wish I'd worked on it more.
I wish I'd spent more time going over it.
ari shaffir
Yeah, but that requires new people to come, I guess.
joe rogan
Yep.
Well, it also requires you have to do it on stage.
I had Everlast on the podcast yesterday.
We were talking about the difference between writing a song and writing a joke.
I've never made a joke without the help of other people.
Because every joke I make, it has to be done in front of an audience, and they let me know what's working.
It's a combined effort.
It just is.
I'll write some good ideas that'll work the first time I get on stage, But they get better when you do them in front of an audience and you figure them out.
And you've got to take chances.
You've got to do them this way and you've got to move the punchlines.
ari shaffir
Intel's really good at that.
Changing an order.
Let me examine each of these a bunch of different ways.
joe rogan
You never know, man.
Sometimes you nail one and it's just the perfect way to say it and you can't believe you used to say it another way before.
ari shaffir
Yeah, Paul's right.
joe rogan
And some suck, man.
You know, Chris Rock famously talks about one of his greatest bits of all time.
You know that bit that I love black people and I hate niggers?
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
Remember that bit?
That's one of the all-time classic.
He certainly did.
But it's one of the all-time classic comedy bits.
It's just a brilliant bit.
Well, he said that that bit bombed.
Louis C.K. told me this.
He said that the bit bombed for like a year.
ari shaffir
Really?
joe rogan
Couldn't get it to work right.
And then finally, he figured out how to get it right.
He just figured out how to do it right, but he believed in it.
He believed in the premise, so he chased the premise down until he got to a point where it was just a weapon.
And then by the time it was on his special, it's just flawless, that bit.
That bit's so classic.
ari shaffir
It's a legendary bit.
joe rogan
Legendary bit.
But that's a perfect example.
ari shaffir
It's a legacy bit.
joe rogan
You can't do that if you want to hear the same jokes every week.
Rather, you want to hear new jokes every show.
Because you're never going to get to that level.
ari shaffir
Dude, it was really great going in New York.
We're going to do four, five, six spots a night.
And if you work on one bit and you do one, you get that feeling of like, oh, I was a little dead in the middle there.
It wasn't enough laughs.
But then usually I wait 24 hours before attacking it again.
I sort of forget.
This time, it's 40 minutes later.
I'm doing it again.
I'm like, oh, it's still weak in the middle there.
there so then on the subway i'm like i gotta write something and then you don't still week in the middle the next thing you do and then you're like well that was okay maybe that'll work you try something else and by the end of the night You're like, I've fixed this up a little bit.
You know?
It was almost like a dilapidated house.
You're like, I've done some work on it now.
joe rogan
Sometimes when I'm in a bit that's not really working, I try to think of myself, like when I'm writing especially, I try to think of myself as instead of making a bit, instead of trying to turn it and figure out a way to make a bit, just figure out a way to just express what's going on and what you're talking about.
What is actually going on?
Add a bunch of shit to it that's not necessarily in the writing aspect of it.
Like, write a bunch of shit out.
Talk about the whole thing.
unidentified
Read...
ari shaffir
What do you mean?
joe rogan
Whatever the subject is.
ari shaffir
Describe the building or whatever.
joe rogan
Describe what, you know, emotions you were having.
Describe how embarrassed you felt.
Describe why you were embarrassed.
Add a bunch of shit you know you're never gonna say on stage.
A bunch of shit.
Go way too far.
And then look at it and just start cherry picking.
And then go, oh, this makes sense.
If I could cut that out and go right to this.
And sometimes you just give yourself more.
ari shaffir
Yeah, by going too far.
My acting teacher would tell us that.
If people weren't going even close to far enough, they'd be like, why did you cheat on me?
He was like, you're not going far enough.
I'm pretty upset.
It doesn't look like that.
And he would always go, just do it ten times too much.
Just for argument's sake.
Let me just see that.
And people would do it.
He goes, okay, pull that back.
Like, 3%.
Like, you're just barely over the line.
joe rogan
Right.
ari shaffir
Like, that's where you should be.
joe rogan
You gotta take chances, and people don't want to take chances, and that's one of the things that is the hallmark of bad acting.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's people that don't really want to dive into and become someone else.
They're still clinging on to who they are.
What are you talking about?
You're not even going in there.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
They don't even know how to be.
ari shaffir
I noticed Freddie would do that.
When he would, like, really do his dad getting exasperated, he would lift his hand all the way up over his head, like, why are you doing this?
joe rogan
Right.
ari shaffir
Like that, and you see, like, new open micers Trying something similar, and their hand would come up to their side.
They'd be like, why are you doing that?
They just didn't have the guts to stick with it to just go for it.
joe rogan
There's a commitment.
ari shaffir
Because it's so foolish if you fail like that.
It's way more foolish.
joe rogan
We've all done that.
We've over-committed to bits and tried to pump them up and they're just dog shit.
You know that feeling, Brian?
You know what I'm talking about when you're in the middle of a bit and you're really working it and you're like, oh my god, I can't even get out of this bit.
brian redban
Yeah, it's usually the dolphin one when people start talking like women get disgusted about it or something.
joe rogan
Yeah.
brian redban
Not the dolphin one, I'm sorry, the stripper one.
joe rogan
Oh, that's even more, yeah.
Well, what are they going to do?
It's not for everybody.
Some people like bluegrass.
brian redban
It sucks because that story is like 10 minutes long.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ari shaffir
Once you start when you realize the whole crowd is not that into it, you're like, oh, I really should have stopped.
brian redban
Well, I found a way out of it, though, lately.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's sometimes an important part of, like, not doing well with a bit, too, is that it shows other paths.
ari shaffir
Yeah, well, also, I like doing it for crowds.
I like doing bits for crowds, a mix between either putting on the best show or doing bits that I think this crowd won't like to see if I can make it work here.
You know what I mean?
joe rogan
Right, right, right.
ari shaffir
If it's a real dark joke and there's a real conservative crowd, I could do my more conservative jokes, but I'd sort of rather work on this in front of these people, work on this really harsh thing in front of these people.
That's why I like going to Australia and Switzerland and Amsterdam doing shows in other countries.
I want to know what parts of these really work in different environments.
And Comedy on State has a Thursday night college night, so it's all college students.
You know, 250 of them.
So it's like, yeah, let me see how they relate to this.
joe rogan
Right, right.
College kids are a different thing, man.
Because when you do, like, colleges, one of the things that you realize, like, almost immediately, is how little experience a lot of them have in life.
Like, a lot of them are coming from their parents' houses, from protected environments of their home, to a dorm, with a bunch of savage, hormonally-charged teenagers.
Sticking things inside their bodies all day, whether it's needles or dicks or just fucking and doing drugs and getting crazy.
I mean, people are getting crazy.
Remember how much fucking you did when you were in college?
ari shaffir
Zero.
Oh no, I barely won.
joe rogan
You didn't do any fucking?
Oh, that's right.
You were a virgin religiously, for religious purposes.
ari shaffir
Yeah, but then I dropped the religion.
I still was just waiting for the right girl.
joe rogan
The right girl to love.
ari shaffir
Kate Hicks.
joe rogan
I saw that you added that to your phone, your email list.
ari shaffir
I had to tell everybody my new email address.
I said, if I haven't talked to you in a long time, we're enemies.
Don't take this as a sign.
You should get in touch with me again.
joe rogan
Unless you're K-X. Unless you're K-X, yeah.
Do you know where she is now?
ari shaffir
In Baltimore somewhere.
joe rogan
Yeah.
She's doomed.
brian redban
Are you friends with Facebook?
ari shaffir
No, she won't be friends with me on any of those things.
joe rogan
She's doomed.
She's doomed.
She can't get the Ari's dick anymore.
ari shaffir
I know.
joe rogan
She's doomed.
That's what it is.
She's terrified.
brian redban
Is she the one that got her way?
joe rogan
Crying in Baltimore.
ari shaffir
There's like five that got her way.
joe rogan
Thinking about the Ari dick.
Yeah.
Yeah, I got away.
Every time.
brian redban
You're the one that always got away?
joe rogan
Well, I mean, I definitely got dumped.
I've definitely been dumped.
But when I got dumped, I got away.
ari shaffir
You're the one who got away.
joe rogan
I'm like, whoa, I got away.
ari shaffir
Oh, wow, thank God.
joe rogan
But I was a maniac, too.
Don't get me wrong.
They got away as well.
It's not like either one of us wasn't goofy.
ari shaffir
I love when you can both look back and be like, whoa, you both got out of that.
joe rogan
Yeah, what were we doing?
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
You've got to be careful, though.
ari shaffir
I'm so wrong for you.
You're so wrong for me.
joe rogan
You'll get into that situation where you think, you know, like, wow, maybe we were meant together.
Like, now we've gone through all our bullshit, and I tried to do that once.
ari shaffir
Yeah?
joe rogan
Yeah.
ari shaffir
Oh, right, because you're just comfortable.
joe rogan
A girlfriend, when I was a teenager, we met when I was 25, and we went on a date in New York and had a good time and went back and got a little of that in there.
And I was like, wow, maybe she's the one.
unidentified
Holy shit.
ari shaffir
Maybe she's the one, yeah.
I did that so much.
joe rogan
Two days, it was a wreck.
ari shaffir
Maybe she's the one.
That's another thing.
joe rogan
When you're young and single and you try to hang out for a weekend with someone that you barely know, and a day in where you're like, will you shut the fuck up?
What kind of craziness are you talking?
And you realize what kind of nonsense people talk amongst their friends and you're stuck in the middle of it.
People are just squawking at you.
brian redban
Ari, have you met anyone off of Tinder yet?
ari shaffir
One girl in Melbourne I hooked up with.
joe rogan
You're not supposed to tell that fucking kiss and tell, cocksucker.
ari shaffir
Is Melbourne going to know?
joe rogan
There's not that many people.
They know who fucked Ari in Melbourne.
ari shaffir
No, it's weird.
You know why I like telling you more than anything?
Because I went on one date in New York, and we made out, and that was it.
And then another date, we didn't do anything.
But it's nice to be able to reject girls that are kind of out of your league.
Just to be like, nah, you're just an eight.
No thanks.
When you're saying yes or no to all these girls, and they're putting their best pictures up, you feel like your line has gone up.
joe rogan
Wow.
ari shaffir
Because you're like, why would I take this seven and a half when I just took two nines?
joe rogan
Wow.
ari shaffir
And you don't have to get to match with any of them.
joe rogan
What are we doing to humans?
Are we devaluing them?
ari shaffir
I don't know.
joe rogan
Are we breaking them down to numbers on an iPhone app?
ari shaffir
I don't know.
Or I don't know if it's setting us free from the societal norms that aren't really us.
joe rogan
Definitely setting a lot of people free from the difficulty in getting laid.
ari shaffir
I saw two hippos fucking in the zoo.
Me and Simone and Pete Seewen.
joe rogan
That has nothing to do with Tinder.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
We did not meet on Tinder.
ari shaffir
It was the base level of it.
It's like that old joke you had with the lions.
joe rogan
Tiger.
ari shaffir
No like, oh, I wonder if my pilot is going.
None of that.
Just fucking.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ari shaffir
That's what Tinder is.
That's the base.
You like me.
I like you.
We like each other's looks.
Let's do this.
joe rogan
Well, I think one of the things that's kept people from being more sexually liberated is that people cling when there's a shortage.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And when it's difficult to get sex, People cling to each other.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
And it's difficult to find partners, difficult to find lovers and, you know, people that you enjoy being with.
It's hard to meet people.
When you find people, they get together and they get married real early.
But when people get older, instead of playing musical chairs, just grabbing onto the first chair and hanging on, and you get something like a Tinder or one of those little dating websites.
ari shaffir
The books, yeah.
joe rogan
You can just meet a bunch of new people and then find who you actually like, and then you realize they're just meeting a bunch of people too, and everybody's just meeting, and it's easy to meet people.
ari shaffir
We're all here to meet.
It's like first day at dining hall of the fucking college.
Everyone's, hi, how are you?
joe rogan
Yeah, and if it becomes not hard to get a date, that eliminates a lot of the stress.
ari shaffir
Bobby Lee said it changed his life.
joe rogan
Really?
ari shaffir
He said, because the thing he was worried about most was rejection, unnatural fear of it.
But this takes that out.
They've already said, yeah, I'm interested.
joe rogan
Wow, that's interesting.
That's a great idea.
That's a great application.
brian redban
I just met this girl on Tinder, and she's like, I told her my name eventually.
I was like, well, online, it's Brian Redban.
And she goes, that's weird, my last name is Ban.
I'm like, what?
joe rogan
Oh, that's crazy.
brian redban
And then she had come to the comedy store with Bobby Lee.
Bobby Lee met his girl on Tinder.
Brought this girl with her.
And I was like, wait, I remember.
I was like staring you down the whole time.
And then I found a picture on Comedy Store's website.
ari shaffir
Of her?
brian redban
Of the whole patio that night.
Like they took a picture of the patio.
ari shaffir
With you and her?
brian redban
And I'm staring right at her and she's staring right at me.
unidentified
It's a marriage made in heaven.
I'm a psychic.
ari shaffir
I can tell it's in the stars.
It'll definitely work now.
joe rogan
Read your tea leaves.
brian redban
Her last name's banned though.
Isn't that weird?
joe rogan
Crazy.
ari shaffir
Did you do it with her?
brian redban
No, I haven't even met her yet.
It's weird.
joe rogan
Ari, come on, man.
How dare you?
How dare you?
brian redban
It's hard for me to meet people off Tinder because it's like...
ari shaffir
It's just a very weird situation.
Even once you said the first move, it's like, hi, so we might want to touch each other.
joe rogan
Yeah, it gets tricky.
It gets real tricky.
You gotta think about what you're doing.
ari shaffir
It gets real tricky when you show up and you're like, there were about 30 pounds that weren't represented in those photos.
brian redban
What do you do then?
ari shaffir
You just enjoy the day and then at some point you're like, you know what, I don't get shit anymore.
You're looking sexy.
joe rogan
Whoa!
Ari Shaffir.
brian redban
That's why you gotta do some research before you go.
You take a screenshot of it, cut out the picture, upload it to Google, image search, and I'll show you her Facebook page.
ari shaffir
Oh my god, Brian.
unidentified
Too crafty.
ari shaffir
Wow.
joe rogan
Too crafty.
ari shaffir
Jesus.
brian redban
I just found out this girl that I met, she has a podcast on a other podcast network.
I don't know if I should tell her or not, because we've been talking back and forth.
joe rogan
What the fuck?
Is something wrong with her having a podcast?
brian redban
Yeah, I just don't like the network.
unidentified
So what?
joe rogan
So what?
brian redban
Slumber party with Allie and Georgia.
joe rogan
Let all that shit go.
Don't tell people online who it is, you fucking knucklehead.
You wanna ruin your life already?
ari shaffir
It's either Allie or Georgia.
joe rogan
So you gotta learn how to keep secrets, you fuck.
brian redban
I'm not gonna probably never meet this girl.
joe rogan
Oh, but you might.
You might.
You might become besties.
ari shaffir
You might become besties.
joe rogan
Yeah, man.
You know, I really resent that idea that other podcasters have to be against each other.
ari shaffir
Oh, well, all the same team.
It's just against them.
joe rogan
Not even talking about your situation, but when the Stitcher Awards came out, we won Best Overall Podcast.
ari shaffir
Congratulations!
unidentified
Thank you very much.
joe rogan
But what I was shocked by was one of the other fucking podcasts, I've never even heard of them.
They might be the nicest guys ever.
But their sound guy or something instigated some fucking hate campaign against us.
Really?
Yeah, to tweet me and say a bunch of mean shit to me.
It was like a swarm of it.
And I was like, wow, this is hilarious.
Guess what?
You can light whatever podcast you want.
You don't have to be mean to the people that other people like.
Who gives a shit?
Your podcast can't be that good if that's the way you think.
If you really think that way, your podcast has got to be filled with some nonsense.
ari shaffir
Like when David Cross hated Larry the Cable Guy and David Cross's stand-up was garbage?
joe rogan
Yeah, that didn't work out so well.
That was a ridiculous thing.
Like, come on, man.
You know what he's doing.
He's doing a character.
The idea that this character is like...
ari shaffir
It's for yokels.
What do you care?
joe rogan
It's ruining the fabric of society because it's racist.
unidentified
No, it's not.
ari shaffir
That fabric was already done.
unidentified
Racist?
joe rogan
Yeah, that was the argument that Larry the Cable Guy is racist.
ari shaffir
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah, that was a big part of it.
This xenophobic fear of foreigners, you know, towelhead talk, that kind of shit.
I don't know, man.
There's all this shit to be worried about in this world, you know?
That weird thing where people get mad at other people for being successful, or get mad at other people for winning an award, or get mad at other people for producing something when you haven't produced something.
ari shaffir
Yeah, I said, if you want to piss a comic off oddly, tell him he's your second favorite comic.
People will get angry.
I'm like, it's still really good.
Of all the comedians, you're number two.
That's awesome.
unidentified
That's hilarious.
ari shaffir
Who would you like better?
joe rogan
Yeah, that's so true.
Well, we're all fucked up in some way, or at least we come into it fucked up, and hopefully we balance out somewhere along the trip.
ari shaffir
If you want to piss off a girl, here's what you do.
You call her and say, close your eyes and come outside right now, and then watch how disappointed they'll get.
Because women think they just deserve free things, and they'll just assume you got them a present.
joe rogan
That's not nice.
Sorry, Sophia.
These are terrible ideas.
You've got to vet these out with me.
Call me up next time you think about doing something like that.
I'll go, what are you going to do?
What's the benefit of that?
Are you just going to laugh?
unidentified
Ha ha!
joe rogan
You get nothing.
You get nothing but dick.
You want some dick?
You don't?
Tough.
Somebody else does.
Look at Tinder.
Look at my phone.
Fuck you.
I'm free.
I'm free, dude.
ari shaffir
Tinder's weird.
Every high schooler has one.
joe rogan
So free.
What's that?
ari shaffir
Every high schooler has one.
joe rogan
A Tinder?
I'm sure they do.
Every college person has one.
They're on a goddamn rampage.
Kids today are fucking with an ease and a pace that we've never experienced before.
That's why it's good that they have that HPV vaccination.
ari shaffir
It's very important.
joe rogan
They can shoot that in them and then they can shoot loads at each other and not worry about that.
ari shaffir
Anyone under 26, right?
Something like that.
joe rogan
Anybody young that's going to have sex should get that vaccine.
ari shaffir
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
That shit's bad, that HPV. But that vaccine, apparently, with some folks, has given them adverse reactions.
There's a bunch of...
ari shaffir
Like what?
joe rogan
I don't know.
Some people...
You know, it's like any other medication.
Some people just don't know.
They just get sick.
Some people get sick from it.
Vaccinations are tricky.
Chandra's dad got Lyme disease.
They had a vaccination for Lyme disease, but for a small percentage of the population that had a particular gene set up, they would get Lyme disease from the vaccination.
ari shaffir
Wow.
joe rogan
It's fucked up.
The poor guy got Lyme disease from a vaccination for Lyme disease.
It wasn't a lot of people that got that, but it was enough that they pulled it from the market.
ari shaffir
Whoa, God.
Do you see what's going on in Venezuela right now?
joe rogan
Yep.
ari shaffir
It's crazy riots.
joe rogan
Crazy riots.
ari shaffir
It's happening all over the world.
joe rogan
Millions of people on the street protesting against their government.
ari shaffir
All over the world.
joe rogan
Mm-hmm.
Put up some of the pictures.
ari shaffir
In the Ukraine also?
brian redban
What are your people doing, Ari?
joe rogan
So Venezuela's not his people.
How dare you.
Well, they're just tired of this fucking really shitty setup that they have in a lot of these countries.
ari shaffir
Quit cheating us wrong.
Do what we want for once.
joe rogan
Yeah.
You actually don't own us.
You don't have power over us.
We allow you.
We elect you to positions of control.
Elect you.
You don't tell us what to do.
We tell you that you have power to do things.
ari shaffir
The system's so corrupt, though.
It's like you can't apply any leaders in there.
It'll always be corrupted.
joe rogan
Not everyone, man, but most.
ari shaffir
The system will get matched.
joe rogan
I think, well, also, I think people until today, until this year, people have been, I mean, until, you know, this age, I should say, the age of the internet, people have been able to get away with shit and not get in trouble with it and not have the word spread across the country, like, instantaneous.
ari shaffir
Yeah, with Ronald Reagan, I have no recollection of that.
brian redban
This is live video of it right now.
It's turned into fire.
This is live video?
ari shaffir
It's cops versus citizens.
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
This is terrifying.
This is a movie, man.
ari shaffir
Shots going off.
That light.
joe rogan
But you know what?
unidentified
Otherwise...
brian redban
Wow, look at this shit.
joe rogan
This is crazy.
This is live.
ari shaffir
That's live right now.
Venezuela is a fucking...
They're rioting.
They are turning against their government.
joe rogan
Imagine if you were living in Venezuela right now.
This is the apocalypse.
ari shaffir
They have regular cars.
joe rogan
Everything's on fire.
ari shaffir
Guys, this is Chicago in 20 years.
joe rogan
Everything's on fire and guns are going off.
And this is the government trying to keep control of its citizens.
ari shaffir
Because they're protesting and said, no, no pro...
There's outlaw protests.
That's the first thing they do.
Outlaw protests.
joe rogan
You can't outlaw protests, you fucks.
ari shaffir
And start getting violent because they just want to say, don't do this.
joe rogan
Yeah, well, you know, they're living under a totalitarian dictatorship.
ari shaffir
They're blocking Twitter.
If you post pictures on Twitter, they're blocking a lot of them.
joe rogan
Yeah.
unidentified
Whoa, shit.
joe rogan
It's terrifying shit, man.
unidentified
Whoa.
joe rogan
And you know what?
All these monarchs and all these kings and all these people that run countries are terrified of this kind of shit happening.
All these prime ministers or whatever their title is.
People in positions of power.
Call them whatever the fuck you want.
unidentified
Jesus.
joe rogan
All these people are terrified of losing this.
They're terrified of losing their ability to control these people.
And they get used to that feeling of power.
They feel like they deserve it.
The same way we were talking about earlier, like, ridiculous celebrities think that everyone is supposed to kiss their ass.
Because they don't look at themselves.
These people don't look at themselves either.
They just dominate these people.
ari shaffir
I like the people who support America going into, like, Syria or something like that.
And they're like, well, we gotta do something.
And my thought is...
If there were dirty dishes in the sink, you don't send a spastic toddler in there to wash it because they'll smash a bunch of dishes.
And you'll be like, well, we can't just leave the dishes dirty.
They're like, well, we've got to send in somebody.
Like, that toddler's the wrong guy to send in.
unidentified
America's proven to have just spread death.
joe rogan
But who else would you send in if you're going to get rid of a dictator?
ari shaffir
No, we're clearly not the ones.
We just spread death to every country we go into.
joe rogan
Yeah, but if you want to...
Okay, look, I don't buy what's going on in Syria.
I don't buy that we need to invade Syria.
I think it's a very complicated, gigantic mess.
But if you're going to say that someone needed to invade Syria, who the fuck would it be except us?
We're the only real superpower in the world.
ari shaffir
But we've only...
Made more suffering and death everywhere else we've gone.
joe rogan
We're getting better at it, Ari.
Okay?
It takes like a joke.
It takes a lot of practice.
You've got to keep dominating worlds for a long time before you get it right to the point you can be really nice while you're doing it.
ari shaffir
Tom, you're in a piece.
joe rogan
Ari Shafir on Twitter.
A-R-I-S-H-A-F-F-I-R. Follow him and respect.
He will also be at the Ice House tomorrow night at 10.30 p.m.
along with Brian Redband, Tony Hinchcliffe, Duncan Trussell, and Justin Martindale.
unidentified
Boom!
joe rogan
Sherlock, lock, boom!
ari shaffir
And Zanies is from Chicago this weekend.
joe rogan
Yeah, go there to Chicago this weekend.
Ari will be warming up for Zanies.
And Zanies is a warm-up for...
Oh, the Verizon Theater in Dallas, Texas on March 14th.
Oh my goodness.
We're going to have so much fun.
What are you doing on April 3rd?
What are you doing on April 3rd?
ari shaffir
I'm in Tempe with Zios.
joe rogan
Boom, son!
I'm in Miami, bitch!
ari shaffir
Let me just say, I would reject that anyway.
I hate Miami.
One of the worst cities.
joe rogan
How dare you?
They're wonderful people.
ari shaffir
Bomb them!
joe rogan
You creep.
They're your folks.
Yeah, some of them.
Cubans and Jews just fucking with abandon on Tinder.
Chaos fucking.
Just chaos fucking.
418, I'm in Orlando, Florida with Joey Coco Diaz.
And then 425 in Baltimore, Maryland.
Also with the master, Joe Diaz.
Alright, so we will see you guys tomorrow with Campbell McLaren.
Campbell McLaren is the man who hired me for the very first UFC that I did, which was UFC 12 in Dothan, Alabama in 1997. And he was there from the very beginning.
He'll tell us some great UFC stories.
And he's also got some new MMA league that he's putting together.
He's going to talk to us about that.
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ari shaffir
Good food.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's good.
It's yummy.
And they're sending me some gluten-free shit this week.
ari shaffir
Son...
joe rogan
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ari shaffir
Hey, I'm having a 420 show at the Comedy Store.
Store 20. Oh, Jesus, Louisa.
Store 20 at 4 o'clock.
joe rogan
The Comedy Store 420 show at 420. Ari Shafir, I doubt weed will be involved in that show.
Wink, wink.
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