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But I mean, look, there are people who really do that type of thing.
Like, my friend told me that there was some ex-military dude that he, like, trains executives on, like, this survival, like, vacation weekend.
And it's basically, like, for people that want to feel like they did something important.
So we take them out to, like, this, like, area in the countryside, and they run a bunch of obstacles, and they get them in shape for, like, you know, a week or two, and then bust their ass.
And then they call it, like, survival training.
But that's obviously not, like, real survival training.
I guess you have to jump out of, like, a parachute out of a fucking plane into, like, a wilderness area and then meet someone at a certain place, like, two weeks later.
Like, alright, go to, like, LZ1, like, you know, 15 miles away through, like...
Wolf dens and mountain ranges, forest, and who the fuck else knows?
In Survivor, they do go and they have to get food and they do shit like that, but it's very different than taking one person and telling them that they have to make it across a forest and get to another side.
Yeah, well, those people that are on that show, you know, when you see that everybody gets by okay, and everybody's okay, they're not in danger because it's television.
No, they're in danger.
If you're in Bornea, or one of those places where they film Survivor Man, or Survivor, rather, you're in danger.
You're fucking for sure in danger.
There's a lot of shit out there.
Like, just because there's a bunch of cameras out there doesn't mean they're going to keep you safe.
Like, when we did Fear Factor, there was a lot of times we just got lucky.
Nobody got hurt, but it's just because we got lucky.
That dude went to Africa, and he slept a night in Africa, in this area where lions live, with a hot air balloon.
And his idea was, the idea for the show was, if you were in a hot air balloon and it ran out of gas and it fell somewhere, or the balloon got punctured or some shit and it fell somewhere, and you were trapped, how would you get by?
How would you get out of it?
So this guy went to fucking Africa, and that was all he had for shelter.
Was the basket that this fucking, this supposed hot air balloon had, and then the flamethrower to make the balloon inflate and go up.
You know, they hit that shh, the fire comes up, and the heat is what makes the balloon rise, and they drop it off when they want it to fall.
Well, he had that as well, and he was using that to keep the lions away, blowing fire at them, because when he would set it up on the ground, it was like a flamethrower.
Oh, I mean, when you see people that swim with sharks, for example.
That's the part that I say, okay, I did that with, like, baby sharks and with, like, sand sharks.
They have something at the Mall of America.
I went back with, like, my ex-girlfriend years and years and years ago.
It was cool, but when I see people who swim with, like, 10-foot sharks, 12-foot sharks, in, like, the wild, you know, where the shark doesn't know that you're a filmmaker.
We had this conversation earlier about what it means to be a hunter.
But wouldn't it be hunting, really, if you were in a rowboat with a harpoon going after one of them and not in a giant vessel shooting at them with a high-powered rifle?
The shark skin, though, is when you feel it, when you rub it one way, it's like completely rough and it'll cut your skin.
And then when you go from back to front, it's completely, absolutely silky smooth.
You know, when we were little kids, we had like a dissection program.
And the last thing that we did was like...
Third grade or something.
But they cut open a shark, and we had to take its kids out, like its children.
And when you felt the shark, they said, watch.
And the science teacher rubbed his hand, nose to the back, and his hand was cut open.
And he said that what the normal sharks do is they just swim through a school of fish, and since their skin's built like that, whatever they touch, they cut.
And then on the second loop around, they can smell the blood, or they can see one of the fishes that they've cut and go through it.
I mean, if it's been around as long as they say it's been around...
When you hear about the actual coding of the NSA software and how they first started doing it, there was a guy, the original NSA whistleblower.
I should pull this guy up and give him his props because it's a pretty fascinating story.
Because he was a whistleblower a long time ago, and he was the guy that was responsible for making the software.
And when he was making the software, he was telling everybody, like, hey, you can't use this to just spy on everybody.
So he started doing all these interviews.
It was before Edward Snowden.
So everybody thinks of Edward Snowden as the original NSA whistleblower.
But there was another guy before that.
There was another guy in 2002, I believe, he came out.
And, yeah, here it is.
Bill Binney.
And this fucking guy told people about this a long time ago.
There's a story of it on YouTube on the RT America channel.
That's Bill Binney, B-I-N-N-E-Y. And he was a U.S. intelligence official.
And he worked for the NSA. And he turned into a whistleblower.
In October 31st, 2001, after more than 30 years with the agency, he was a high-profile critic of his former employers during the George W. Bush administration, and was subject to FBI investigations, of course, including a raid on his home, of course.
Because he called this before they did it, whereas Edward Snowden...
Called it while it was happening.
So Edward Snowden got in trouble.
This guy was predicting the future.
And he was saying that when he found out that they were able to spy on everyone, and that they were using this system, the system that was initially called Trailblazer, and it was a system intended to analyze data carried on communications networks, such as the Internet.
Yes, and he found out that they were starting to do it to everybody.
And he called.
He said, that's their plan.
Their plan is to monitor every email, every phone call.
And he said, the guy, you know, he said, look, this is un-American.
And the guy stuck his neck out there.
He got away with it, though.
It's really interesting.
Because he just predicted it, And, you know, he wasn't actually talking about something that had happened, but he got out of the NSA and said, this is going on.
For the first couple of years of me making music, people used to call me a conspiracy theorist.
And I always used to laugh, and I'd be like, alright, well, let's play it down.
Let's encyclopedia brown this bitch right now, and tell me, what is my conspiracy?
That the government spies on you?
I was right about that.
You know, I released a record talking about how, you know, we're going to war for false reasons.
This is a false premise to be in war.
Okay, well we found out there are no weapons of mass destruction.
I never said that Bush was directly responsible for 9-11.
I said that I never believed the government's version because they couldn't even tell the truth about the air to breathe.
I always felt like the story was incomplete.
What's the conspiracy theory?
That's absolutely fucking true now.
We find out that there are layers upon layers upon layers of what's going on in the world.
I said that the government itself was involved in a drug trade in Peruvian cocaine, so people said, oh my god, how can you use this conspiracy theory?
Really?
And now we find out that they protect certain Mexican cartels as long as they sell out to other homies.
The absolute truth of the drug game here in America is they don't go after the little fish to get the big fish.
You know what I mean?
They want the big fish so they can rat out all the little fish and they can all spend time in jail because only the main dude has the $10 million attorney.
So, I mean, I don't blame this guy for just being fed up and saying, hey man, this is exactly what's going on or what's going to go on in the future.
I'm just surprised.
That somebody hasn't found a way to give him cancer or some shit and kill him off in a way that doesn't raise that much suspicion.
Well, like I said, he did it so long ago before it ever became a public issue that he quit in 2001. And that's when he started talking and doing all these interviews.
Look, the dude is essentially, I mean, he's a real patriot.
That's what he is.
He's a guy who is working in the office.
He's working for the defense of the country in the right way.
I mean, that's what he's doing.
He wants there to be, like...
He wants there to be protection of rights as well, though.
He wants us to be able to go after terrorists, but he doesn't think the government should be able to just willy-nilly look into everybody's fucking emails.
If you're torturing random people, In order to do that, then you are becoming the terrorists themselves.
And then there's no distinction, really, because one is a hidden danger that people are terrified of, and the other one is exactly the same thing, a hidden danger that people are terrified from.
Someone in power says, you know what, I don't like this guy.
I don't like Rogan.
You know, he's talking about the ATF. That's my business.
Well, it's been proven that they do that with the IRS. Right.
They use the IRS to go after political enemies.
I mean, there are a lot of fucking heads rolled because of that shit.
Because it got public.
There's a lot of no-nonsense people out there.
That's the real issue.
There's a lot of people like, oh, you believe in Bigfoot?
You believe in conspiracy theories?
What do you think?
The government's out to get you?
There's a lot of these people that like to pretend that it's foolish to think that the government is involved in anything shady ever.
That they're always above ground.
They have too much power.
Whenever you get groups of people that have that much power, when you have essentially the power to create laws, The power to go in to the very laws that were established in the beginning of this nation and change them so that you can get away with shit that would ordinarily be illegal.
All those things are only done by people who have too much power.
They're never things that people vote on.
The people never vote to give themselves less rights.
The people never vote to give more trust in the government.
The government just sort of takes it, slowly but surely.
And the best way to take it is to tell you there's a bunch of enemies they have to protect you from.
It's a timeless, age-old trick.
And the idea that that's a conspiracy theory is ignoring all of human history from the jump.
Everything ever done by people with guns, swords, or arrows.
Everything ever done was done with deception.
It was done by establishing enemies and protecting you from those enemies.
They're timeless techniques.
The idea that the greatest government...
Yeah, that we would stop doing that in 2014. That after all they've learned, after all these years, they go, you know what, all that time-tested shit, we're going to set it aside and we're going to be ethical.
We're going to be the ethical domineers of the world.
I was there, I remember in Harlem when he was elected, and it was like pandemonium.
I shit you not.
It just so happened that they were moving like a subway car.
A pretty big deal.
People usually don't see them in the street.
But they were moving a subway car via like a tractor trailer.
And they were moving it through 125th from one side to another.
And they had a jumbotron set up by like the state building.
And he gave his address.
And there were like 100,000 people in the street right there.
And they followed the procession of the subway.
I saw an old lady get out her car and start dancing.
You know what I mean?
And she was just like, look, and she must have been like 80 years old.
And I was like, yo, ma, grandma, you see, so happy.
She's like, you know, you got to understand, I grew up in a time where people looked at me like I wasn't a fucking human being.
You know what I mean?
And to see that...
I mean, look, I always discuss these...
These variations of oppression.
Because people try to liken what happens to Africans and Native Americans to other struggles and other people being oppressed.
But you know what?
You can't...
No one ever tried to, for example, kill somebody else from another group because they knew how to read.
You know what I mean?
These things were specifically done to a people to try and take away from the legitimacy that they have to dehumanize because that's the only way to really do something that negative to someone.
You have to find some sort of different way to define them as a person so that then you can justify it, not just to yourself, but to other groups of people.
You know, normal people won't be like, hey man, I'm just going to kill this person and take their land and their gold and their oil or whatever it is.
But now it's like, oh my God, no, these people and the way they are are wicked and their wickedness is going to spread to the rest of us so much.
And belief systems, once they're in place, they can be really scary.
You know, if you have a belief system that this group that you're going after are all evil and God is on your side and they need to be smitten from the earth, if you have that belief system.
And that's what I think turns a lot of people off about religion.
It's not, there's no personal response.
As much as, you know, the right-wingers that are religious scream about, oh, we want people in the ghetto to have personal, why don't you take some personal responsibility?
You know, and don't put it on God.
Put it on you.
You feel uncomfortable with this being this way.
Or you don't like these people for some reason.
Or maybe you've actually done the history and you know that these people have a legitimate reason to be unhappy with this government or know that they've been treated unfairly in some way, shape, or form.
And I think there's a difference between being angry and having holy anger and having a righteous anger.
And being angry for a reason, not just being upset and feeling like you're quote-unquote the victim, but technically looking at a situation and saying, no, I was treated unfairly.
And you know what?
I was taken advantage of.
And I think from the time that people have been a caveman to, you know, tomorrow, all anger comes from being treated unfairly.
Or the perception that you're treated unfairly.
Anything.
Lied to?
You treated me unfairly.
You told someone else the truth, but you told me a lie.
You know, you stole from me.
You treated me unfairly.
I let you into my house.
I protected you.
And you fucking repaid me by robbing me.
All of that comes back to it.
And I just think that if this government is even going to survive...
It really has to address the amount of cynicism that exists in America right now.
Because that was the whole point I thought of Obama coming in.
The idea that people were so cynical about a government under Bush that they saw McCain as an extension to that.
They were like, oh my god, again?
Another one?
Well, who are we going to go to war with now?
But then when he came in, he was supposed to be, you know, the great unifier.
But he turned into...
A great pacifier.
He was just like, okay, cool.
Everything's gonna be good.
I'm gonna intellectualize all of this and make it seem rational, you know, so I'll get away with a whole bunch of shit that if Mitt Romney had been elected or if McCain had been elected and done the exact same shit that he did.
They would have gone crazy.
Where are the people that were marching on Washington to go against the war?
Where are they now?
That's why, you know, I keep it real, Rogan.
I do a lot of activism.
We did a show yesterday to raise money for people that were victims of that typhoon in the Philippines, you know, and it's going straight to them because they're working with grassroots organizations.
But a lot of times when I see these big activist groups and they come up to me and I'm just like, yo, where the fuck are you now?
You know, you were all waving your flag, you know, when it was the Bush era.
Yo, I swear to God, there's so many times when I've seen people, like when I go to colleges, and there's some preacher dude, like in front of the college, arguing with the atheists.
And I always ask him, I'm like, yo dude, do you believe in the president?
And he's like, I absolutely support President Bush.
I was like, what would he have to do to lose your support?
What sort of things would he have to abuse?
Could he kill someone and still gain your support?
And the guy was like, well, that depends who.
And I'm just like...
Wait a minute, dude.
What do you mean?
It depends who.
If he ordered the deaths of some people overseas who aren't Christians, he's forgiven.
But if he, like, shot someone next door who he went to church with, he should burn in hell forever.
I mean, at that point, I think the selective morality is what bothers a lot of people about religion in general.
It's just like, okay, cool.
I'm only going to care about the lives of certain human beings because they share this same belief system of mine.
But the moment that you don't, then I feel so threatened by your existence that I don't care if your children live or die.
Well, you heard the latest revelations about the NSA that they were ordering drone strikes based on metadata.
They were ordering drone stripes based on GPS location of phones that they were tracking so they might not have even known that the guy that they were looking for was inside the building and they just randomly targeted buildings where these phones existed.
You know, if that's true, that means they just said, okay, well, we're going to have to kill a whole bunch of fucking people to get this phone.
I had this discussion with somebody about atheism and their way of dealing with Different cultures and societies.
You can totally be an atheist and be racist.
It's like being, you know, you could be a feminist and you could be racist.
That's ridiculous to think that those two things can't coexist in the same being.
My thing is this, when I hear people like Darwin, sorry, Richard Dawkins and people who are Darwinists have conversations, what's interesting to me is the level of civilization that they'll attribute to, like...
White Christian society.
Even though they'll say it's barbaric, it's still not as barbaric as those dark brown people's cultures because they're even more dangerous.
My thing is this.
It's like if someone says Allah Akbar before they go into war and that is...
The benchmark to say that this is, you know, a religious killing.
Then what about all the soldiers of America who say the Lord's Prayer before they go into combat?
Isn't that interpreted as, oh man, Jesus, help me kill these motherfuckers.
Really?
Then you're making a sacrifice.
Then is Christ a blood god to you or is it a god of peace?
That's the question that I have to ask.
And that is the part where You know, when I speak to people who are atheists who don't believe in theism and stuff like that, you have to separate that from actual historians and people who have studied the history of religion and the history of different cultures and societies to say, which one is more so-called civil to one another?
Because I think we've fallen to this idea of the civilized savage.
You know, the idea that certain cultures brought civilization to other people.
Nobody ever brought civilization to anybody.
Civilization is the act of being civil to one another.
When you take somebody else's shit and then you say, oh, guess what?
You're going to use our way of doing things now rather than yours.
You didn't civilize anybody.
You just took them over and you enslaved them in a very polite way sometimes.
And sometimes in a not so very polite way.
Because colonization is too nice of a word for rape, genocide, and fucking...
I used to be real attracted to the idea that aliens came and helped people.
I was very, very attracted to the idea.
And I'm still attracted to it because I think it'd be insanely fascinating because it really follows what human beings would do if we were super advanced and we came to a planet and we found some primitive life forms.
For sure we would drop off some of our fucking jizz.
We would definitely give them some of our DNA. We're gross.
We thought we could, you know, touch this world in some way.
My thoughts, yeah, my thoughts on aliens visiting with people, though, that people don't really understand how long 100 years is.
We think of like 400 years ago as being like, wow, 400 years ago, you know, back then they didn't have cameras.
Back then they didn't have automobiles.
Everybody rode horses.
And then 400 years before that and 400 years before that, you stop and think about what you're talking about with Egypt.
You're talking about a culture that existed for thousands of years.
Thousands.
Thousands of years.
And they obviously were smart as fuck.
They wrote down a lot of shit.
Just what they left behind.
Forget about what was found during the burning of the Library of Alexandria.
I mean, when they found that they destroyed all these ancient records and all this information about how they did their construction.
I mean, who knows what the fuck was in there when they burnt all that stuff.
And it was burned several times.
Yes, it was.
What they left behind, though, carved in the stones, is magnificent shit.
I mean, all their hieroglyphs, the beautiful works of art they left behind, like the symmetry to their buildings and the mathematics of their construction, it's so obvious they were super, super advanced people.
Like, they were really advanced.
Yeah.
And we just think of that as being like, well, there's no way, aliens must do it.
No, it's real possible that a human race, a human culture can get super advanced and fuck it all up.
And it could be fucked up by disease, and it could be fucked up by asteroids, and it could be fucked up by other humans invading them, which would happen to Egypt.
They got invaded by the Nubians, and the Nubians took older.
That's why the older pharaohs, the more recent pharaohs, all had black African faces.
Like the Pharaoh on the face of the Sphinx is a very distinctly different face than some of the more Sephardic Pharaohs that you saw like in the early days.
Is based on an Iroquois Confederacy, something that people don't really realize or pay attention to, that yes, we didn't just get corn from indigenous people.
We got this idea that different places could be under the same federal state, but still, guess what?
Have laws of their own that are respected by the federal government or forceful, that they're forced to respect because these are different tribes and these tribes...
I'm not going to tolerate you telling them how to live.
However, we will combine forces for the survivability of all of us together as opposed to individual tribes.
Wasn't that the whole forming of the Constitution as well?
I mean, didn't they get the ideas in the Constitution from studying the great civilizations of the past like Rome and Greece and all their ideals about how society should be put together And use those ideas in a lot of ways to formulate the Constitution.
Well, I mean, Napoleon's civil code also influenced a lot of Western societies, Europe's legal system now.
But I think, you know, when we talk about whether it's aliens or whether it's anybody that interferes in a human society, You want to think that what would their agenda be?
What do they want?
What do they possibly have to gain for all of it?
Resources?
Land?
I mean, if you read the Bible, it says that, you know, the sons of heaven made it with the daughters of men, you know?
Who's to say that's angels?
Maybe that's aliens who came down to fuck a woman.
I know people don't like to hear that, like, oh, great, you believe in aliens.
That's not even what I'm saying.
I'm saying it's absolutely possible because this fucking thing is so big.
It's so big.
The idea that we've never been visited before is silly.
But if we pay attention to the way we treat the things on this planet that we can control, and we think about how the fuck they would deal with us, we should be probably pretty happy that it is bullshit.
Because if they're anything like us...
I wouldn't put it past them creating us out of monkeys.
I wouldn't put it past some super advanced alien species, look at some stupid chimps, and go, look at these dumb motherfuckers.
Let's take some of our shit and put it into them, and then come back in a thousand years.
Oh my god, they got planes and buildings.
Who knows?
It is possible that that happened.
It sounds quite ridiculous.
Don't worry.
I know that, and I know it sounds...
But I'm not saying it's impossible.
I'm not saying it's likely.
It's certainly, there is a chance that this planet has been visited before.
Just the fact that we can go to Mars with a drone.
We know that we sent these manned vehicles into space.
We know that there's satellites in orbit.
We've used the space shuttle.
We've used rockets.
There's, without a doubt, a rover that's moving around on the Mars right now.
There's a rover moving around on Mars.
We sent it from this planet.
We're monkeys.
I mean, we're a couple hundred years removed from slavery in this country.
We just came up with the internet 20 years ago.
We already have a robot moving around on Mars.
If there's something else out there that's a hundred years, a thousand years more advanced than us, if they haven't blown themselves up, for sure they would send some shit our way.
If they came here a long, long-ass time ago, the universe is 13 point whatever billion years old, allegedly.
Earth is only 4.6 billion years old.
A hell of a long time.
That's a long time.
Big window.
That leaves 9 fucking billion plus years.
That someone else could have been in a much more stable solar system, developed a civilization that's not based on dominator culture.
But if we are like a downgraded version of humans, then humans like 4.0 must be really frightening creatures.
Something that can like look into your mind and see you control things with their head.
And the people who don't necessarily believe this, but who won't even subscribe to the possibility, these are the same people that think that laws hold our country together rather than the iron fist of a talking monkey.
There's a woman named Dr. Carolyn Mace talking about the evolution of the species.
Her theory is that we're all homo erectus because we walk upright, but there's also different people on this planet that are called homo noeticus, meaning that they have more than just the five senses that people have.
We're not all the same species.
Some people are more evolved or evolved than others.
Or, you know, when he's when he checks his phone a lot, he only he only interrupts the podcast to speak to his child or something.
So something must be wrong at home.
People who pick up on those things, it's incredibly, it's not like female intuition, that sex is bullshit.
It's the idea that people in general, male, female, whatever, some of them are just more in touch with the idea of giving a fuck about how the people around them exist, and therefore they're just a more, I wouldn't say a more considerate human being, but they have more emotional intelligence.
Anyone who's gotta fight in the ring and calibrate an exact punch or know how to move somebody or to step them in this direction or another, that's an incredible physical genius that they have to possess in order to carry on something like that and not knock the fuck out by someone swinging on you as hard as they possibly can.
But only certain intelligences are valued in this country and in the world in terms of human society as opposed to delving into what they would really be if we took them each At not just face value, but what they represent for our human culture.
You know, that's why some people fuck with animals more than they fuck with people.
I know people that are like, oh, I love my dog.
Why can't you love a dog more than a person?
Sometimes a dog is more a human being than a human.
You know, you got a homeless person in the street who's crying.
Most people will walk right by him.
You put your dog next to a homeless person who's fucking in tears.
Somehow, I've seen it.
A dog that doesn't like nobody will go over there like, hey man, kind of look at you like, sad.
Like, why are you sad?
Why are you hurt?
Who the fuck would do that as a normal person?
We're trained to ignore that.
Whereas, something like a dog is trained to say, hey man, no, someone's in pain.
That's not right.
As if to say, I wish I could help you if I wasn't trapped in this fucking body.
If someone had fucking pneumonia and they were lying on a fucking highway...
You call the ambulance, they would come get them.
Somebody's sitting there, they're schizophrenic.
You know what I mean?
Or they have multiple personality disorder.
They're more liable to hurt themselves and they're a danger to themselves and to other people.
Those people need to be taken care of.
For example, We're good to go.
Who sold him the hot dose?
Really?
You know, I know lots of people I've known through my life that either almost died or died of a damn heroin overdose or some kind of drug overdose.
The NYPD didn't go meticulously looking for the specific dealer.
You want to know where the heroin's coming from, homie, I told him?
The first stop you need to do is Afghanistan.
That's where it's coming from.
And the poppy fields are being protected by our troops because the warlords that we want to stay in power, that are willing to give us access, are the ones that need the money.
So we allowed them to grow the poppy and we disallowed the Taliban supporters too.
Do you think those people started that way or do you think it was the things that happened to them within the course of their life more often that makes them that way?
No one has any idea what the background of a lot of those people are other than the people that have treated them in the past.
They probably don't even know what the fuck happened to them.
There's a lot of really sick people out there that just happen to be homeless people because we can't classify them as insane enough to institutionalize.
Not then to be crazy enough to try to define it, but wouldn't you think that The majority of these cases are people who had extreme trauma of some sort as a child?
Well, I think that's the majority of a lot of the cases.
I think a lot of the homeless people that have mental health issues.
And what's sad is that, you know, especially when you find people who are supposed to be cared for by this government, and it goes back to what we were talking about before.
Imagine the veterans that are homeless out there who have paid dues and risked their lives for this country, and they're completely looked over.
And you would think the people who say that they love America so much wouldn't be the ones that are bleeding it dry.
But ironically it's the people that are criticizing this country for the things it does wrong that love it the most.
Why?
Because we want to fix the things that are wrong.
As opposed to people that say "Hey we just love America and anything you say against America is wrong." No, that's not the case because the people who usually say that are the ones that are bleeding this country dry by saying "Oh man I love America." I want to destroy unions.
Unions are destroying America.
You know what?
I want to stop workers from doing this.
Dude, you're not doing it because you love America.
You love money.
If you really loved America, how come you've got a goddamn plant overseas?
You could be not making $10 billion.
You could be making...
Seven billion a year, but you would be feeding ten times more people, you know, here in America.
When I got out of prison, I went to try to find a job in all these places and everyone said no to me.
And there was this one ad that was like, come learn the secret to life and get paid while doing it.
And it was like a...
$12 an hour job in like 1999 when I just made parole and they were advertising like, please come to this area, you know, you can learn and I walked in and it was a Scientology center.
They literally just brought me in, they shoved me in front of a screen with like four or five other people and they played me like a Scientology video.
And then they asked us, they were like, did you all understand the truth in this video?
And I was sitting here and I was just like, yo, I really wanted to be like, what the fuck is wrong with you?
Like, no one believes this shit.
But at the same time, I sat back and I said, you know what?
I really don't understand this religion enough for me to make a commitment about it right now.
And they were very polite to me.
They're like, thank you very much for your time, sir.
Take care.
And there was somebody else in there who really needed that fucking job, and they just looked at me, and they gave me this kind of look like, cool, cool, you're not in the running anymore.
They were like, I was touched.
I swear to God, I could see the charlatan and the snake oil coming out of the side of their jacket, dude.
Joe, you might be right about this racist shit, by the way, because the only other ones that don't have to pay taxes, the Golf League, the PGA, and the NHL. The golf league doesn't have to pay taxes?
Well, the only reason why people aren't investigating Scientology in this country, but yet they are in other countries, it's got to be just how much money they have.
That's the only thing that makes sense.
Because if there's a new group that came out of nowhere, And they hadn't, you know, had all this history of owning all these buildings.
And you found out, like, that they developed this religion based on the science fiction author's writings.
And you would read it and go, wait a minute, what the fuck?
What are these e-meters?
You hold onto these aluminum cans and they tell me your personality.
Get the fuck out of here!
That's not real!
They would be shut down.
You would think that they would be run out of town.
Look, I have a great respect for people who I've seen use religion to make them a better person.
But when I see someone become more pretentious, more judgmental, more like, I have all the answers and unless you believe in exactly what I believe, Then you're going to go to damnation.
That's when I see religion as a destructive thing that ends up ruining people's lives.
But when I see people that honestly just take it, and I think that's the thing with a lot of religions, as long as the canon can be as ridiculous as it's going to be.
You know, people will believe preposterous things.
All of them ask you to believe something preposterous.
You know, the ocean is divided.
You know, Muhammad ascended into heaven, you know what I mean?
Or, you know, Jesus Christ was born of a virgin and then died and came back to life.
And yet, when you look at people's lives, you know, some people's lives are preposterous.
You know, there was a family my friend was staying in doing a photo project down in Brazil.
And he was down there and he was like, you know, there are two holes in the floor.
One hole is in the bathroom.
Where everyone goes to the bathroom.
And the other hole is literally right next door.
And they put a bucket down there to catch shrimp.
And I'm like, wait a minute.
Is it in a different river or something?
Nah, it's the same water.
And I'm like, really?
Yeah, definitely.
It's the same exact water.
And he's like, you have to understand...
That's the only way they're gonna eat anything that day, is to fish for shrimp in that shit water.
And that's preposterous to me.
For you and I to look at that and be like, oh man, you know, who in this room would imagine, you know, I'm gonna put my hand in the toilet to pick out my dinner tomorrow.
But that is the absolute reality that people who are living in those type of dire conditions, because if they don't eat that, they're not gonna fucking eat.
That's why I'm honestly not offended if somebody...
You know, steal something when I'm in some third world country.
I mean, not that I like that shit, but, yo, you're taking something because you're gonna die if you don't sell it to eat.
And motherfuckers are just stealing, you know, Reebok pumps because they want to look fucking cool.
I really want to do some in-depth research on when that started happening, because in the early Orthodox church, people who were officials of the church were allowed to have wives.
They were allowed to have a dispensation.
They were allowed to get married.
They got married by the Pope.
I mean, the Pope had children.
I mean, I think at some point, people looked at it probably in the Middle Ages where people got real pious.
And, you know, when you examine the changing of Christianity, you find specific points where it becomes, you know, from that time where people are completely nonviolent to becoming structured to be a violent society.
You know, people say, oh, well, whose writings are those?
I always said it was St. Augustine, and then it makes sense because he dies in the siege of Hippo Regis.
During that particular time, you know, the Eastern Roman Empire was trying to eradicate something called Arianism, which is the idea that the father is superior to the son.
In other words, the father created the son, and therefore the son was inferior to the father as he was a creation.
The people of the church hated this idea, and so they overthrew all of the Germanic kingdoms that inherited the Western Roman Empire in order to impose their idea of what Christianity would be, which, if you think about it, would make that the first crusade ever in terms of Christianity.
Celibacy, the first mandate requiring priests to be celibate came in 304 A.D.
So the year 304, Canon 33 of the Council of Elvira, that is some Harry Potter shit, stated that all bishops, presbyters, and deacons, and all other clerics were to abstain completely from their wives and not to have children.
Wow.
A short time later, in 326, the Council of Nicaea, convened by Constantine, rejected a ban of priests marrying requested by Spanish clerics.
Wow.
Wow.
This is fantastic.
So they just decided they were slinging too much dick.
That's the only way around it.
That's exactly what was going on.
They had too much power.
There was no rock stars back then.
You had poets.
And by the way, when you're dealing with 304, no one was reading the Bible.
They didn't figure out how to read the Bible until...
Till Martin Luther came along and translated it into a phonetic language.
The first time it was translated into Germanic was, I believe, in the fourth century by a priest called Wulfilla.
And when I look at the actual extension of where it is, a lot of people were really illiterate in the first place in the way that they learned to read in Greece and in Rome was actually by reading the Bible and reading the actual scripture and saying, oh, it would be the way someone would read a kid's book these oh, it would be the way someone would read a kid's Only you're not reading a kid's book.
You're reading what you're going to be indoctrinated into for the rest of your entire life.
In other words, that's the first book and the last book you're going to read probably.
If you're sitting in there and you're a peasant in the middle of nowhere in the Middle Ages.
Christian Bible as translated by the Wafilla in the 4th century into the Gothic language spoken by the Eastern Germanic peoples or the Gothic tribes, meaning the inheritors of the Roman state.
As Rome fell in 410 and then, of course, I think in 455, and then finally, what was the last...
When you look at their tribal societies, though, I really would like to sit down and examine what the process was for them in their societies as opposed to when they were Romanized.
You know, because that...
People living in some mud hut in the middle of Germany, I'm sure they had some different idea of controlling themselves and to reining in.
Similar to the way Native American people didn't ever have a prison.
You know what I mean?
Where the fuck did you put the people that did bad things?
For example, other sports, they have a limit to what they can say, and then they're like, oh no, this is too...
Didn't they get in trouble on some shit in the NBA where they were talking about somebody else's wife, or you're only allowed to say certain things, or you're talking about somebody else's kids in their ear?
For example, in certain soccer leagues, you're not allowed to mention somebody's family or talk about racism.
Look, if you do talk shit like that, you're clearly an asshole.
You're clearly a piece of shit as a human being.
And if you're willing to be a piece of shit as a human being just to win, you can win without that.
You can win without that and be healthier.
Especially fighting.
The odds of you really getting inside a dude's head and causing him to do something that's going to make him lose the fight, they're fucking professionals, man.
The silent warrior who will just sit there praying at some Buddhist temple until he gets up like Ken and Ryu and goes and beats the shit out of his opponent and then fly back to Thailand so he can sit under that fake statue and fight Sagat later.
No, I mean, dude, he's going to say some fucked up shit in your ear.
The greatest fighters almost always are martial artists, like real martial artists.
The guys like George St. Pierre, the guys like Lyoto Machida, these guys, they're not shit talkers ever at all.
They follow by the true martial arts principles, and that's one of the reasons why they're so good.
They don't carry the burden of shit talking.
When a guy like Chael Sonnen talks mad shit before a fight...
Look, Chael can obviously back it up, he's obviously a very good fighter, but make no mistake about it, there's a tremendous pressure on him because of that shit-talking, on top of the fact that he's got a fight.
That is an extra opponent that you have inside the octagon, knowing that if you lose, my god, you're gonna look like a fucking idiot.
That shit is real, and it's an enemy, and it is also enforcing the ego, which is, it has to be left out as much as possible in any situation where you're dealing with extreme pressure.
But someone would think that someone who's talking shit on the football field, saying reckless things about someone else's family, they're wrong for that.
I mean, as far as the turn of the times, the dealing with Martin Luther King, all the race riots, civil rights struggles.
Then you're also dealing with a new medium which is television and you're dealing with this face that is not only is this guy Incredibly controversial figure, but this guy is also a black African-American who doesn't want to fight in Vietnam War And he's holding up a gorilla and he's calling Joe Frazier and Uncle Tom And he's hitting this gorilla doll saying that he's a big ugly gorilla Joe Frazier and
And he's setting Joe Frazier up to be like this Uncle Tom with the white man champion that doesn't question anything.
He savaged that guy's reputation.
He destroyed that guy's mind.
Joe Frazier hated him forever.
And they could have just fought.
They could have just fought.
He could have left all that racist shit out of there.
Could have left all that Uncle Tom shit out of there.
He chose to do that.
Was he a douchebag?
Look, man, I'm just an observer watching a guy live his life.
But he was definitely a douchebag to Joe Frazier.
Joe Frazier was pretty open about it.
He hated that motherfucker for a long time because of that shit.
Yeah, Joe Frazier, he taunted Muhammad Ali shaking and all that stuff.
I mean, he was upset for a long-ass fucking time.
And when he knocked Muhammad Ali down with that left hook and won that fight, that first fight, make no mistake about it, a lot of people were fucking happy that Muhammad Ali, the draft-dodging black man who talks all that shit, got beat and lost his title to the guy who's like a good family man who, you know, goes to church allegedly.
Yeah, he's a fighter.
He's a fucking...
They're all crazy.
Every fight is crazy.
You know, you're fucking throwing bones at a man for a living.
You know, that's a nutty way to get by.
But he was the preferable one because he was much more humble and wasn't this guy.
You know, I shook up the world.
He wasn't that guy.
He was a different guy.
He was just a tough guy from the streets of Philadelphia.
It's a totally different situation.
But people definitely hated Ali because of his talking shit.
They always hate guys who are confident.
There's always going to be people that want to chip you down when you're that confident.
There's some guys that fight in the UFC that don't use a goddamn thing.
They just eat healthy food and drink a lot of water, and that's it.
There's quite a few guys who do that.
Some guys take a variety of different muscle-enhancing supplements.
There's testosterone boosters that are legal.
There's one that on itself is called T+. It's showing that people like weightlifters were showing that it's increased their ability to lift weights in double-blind placebo studies where you're not using essentially a giant group of people.
They don't know what they're using.
And the people that were using T-plus got higher improvement in their weightlifting.
So there's a few things that you can do, but for the most part, most of the guys that get on it, they get on the synthetic form.
They get on the synthetic form of testosterone.
So there's like a few different T-plus, and there's a couple other test boosters, and there's a few roots that are supposed to work, like tribulus is supposed to have a small effect, and there's another, what is it, long jack?
Cat or something like that.
I forget.
There's another one that's supposed to have some sort of an effect.
But for the most part, it doesn't have anywhere near the effect that actually taking testosterone will have.
So these guys take it, and Vitor is taking it, and there's a dispute as to whether or not he's going to get licensed in Las Vegas.
And if he doesn't get licensed to use testosterone, then he has to get off of the testosterone and then fight Weidman.
And if that happens, man, that's going to be really fascinating because his hormone levels are going to be all fucked up.
If he's used to taking an extra natural form of testosterone, injecting it into his system, and then he stops doing it, his body's going to have a much lower level of testosterone in his training camps than even normally a regular person would.
I went to a mixed martial arts competition, but it was a local one that one of my friends was supposed to fight in, but he got injured, and so he didn't fight at the end, but I ended up watching it.
And it was actually pretty interesting.
It was like in Long Island.
And it was like a small gym.
It was full of like a few hundred people.
But it was really interesting.
Like I saw the difference in kind of how they run those local spots.
And now I've never actually been to one of those big MMA things.
John Jones is gonna fight, he's gonna fight in Baltimore, and he's gonna fight Glover Teixeira, who's the scariest motherfucker out of all the 205 pound contenders.
Glover is the fuckin' devil.
He's scary.
Everybody knows that Glover was on the sidelines for six months.
He had a visa issue and he couldn't get to the United States.
He was fucking people up in small shows because he was one of Chuck Liddell's training partners and he has been world-class.
Like, top of the food chain, world class, for almost a decade now.
Like, Sokuju, before Sokuju made this big splash in pride and was knocking, knocked out Little Nog, knocked out Ricardo Arona, before he did that, Glover Teixeira fucked him up in the WEC. But Glover had visa issues.
So for six years, everybody knew that Glover was, like, having real problems trying to fight in America, but he was fighting in Brazil.
And just beating the fucking shit out of people, man.
The one, if you want to come to the Vito Belfort-Chris Weidman fight, that's in May.
That's May 24th, if you want to come to that.
That's going to be in Vegas.
See, if they don't give Vitor a testosterone use exemption, I understand what everybody says.
It's not fair.
I understand the logic.
But if they don't give it to him, he really shouldn't be fighting for the title unless he can get his hormones back in order.
If he's been taking testosterone for a long period of time, I don't understand how his body is just going to start magically producing it again on its own.
Unless they figure out something that they give him that will kick start his production of testosterone.
But if that's the case, shouldn't he have been doing that in the first place?
So I don't know.
I mean, if the guy really does need testosterone, I hope they give it to him.
Because if they don't, he's not going to really be able to fight.
You know, not to make fun of Mike Tyson, you know, he's a monster even now, but I'm just saying, when I look at that, I'm like, alright, how could he not have been affected by that?
You are mood-altering drugs, and now they're asking you to fight for your life, and then at the end of it, you put a flower in a nigga's hair, and then you kissed him on the cheek.
Yeah, and then he came back, and then he came back and he fought Holyfield, and now those Holyfield debacles, those were fucking crazy when he bit Holyfield's ear.
But I just think, I don't think you can keep it up.
But I think that when he was at his best, I think he only kept it up for a few years, like two years, three years, but I think during that time, he was the greatest of all time.
That's my personal opinion.
I don't think anybody ever sent shockwaves through the boxing world the way that guy did.
He emerged on the scene and just started starching people with fucking haymakers that came at the speed that Roberto Duran would throw them, yet it's coming from a guy who's 215 pounds and just launching motherfuckers into orbit.
That right hook to the body, right uppercut that would snap your fucking head back.
Somebody told me, we were having this discussion about music, and I went to the Berklee College of Music, and I was telling kids, listen, people don't generally get rich off of music.
What artists do is they take that nest egg of money that they do, or that they get from music, and they invest it wisely in something else.
The richest rappers, quote-unquote, Are people who have made some money in music and they say, you know what?
I'm going to start a construction company or a contracting company or I'm going to buy six waffle houses or I'm going to get a clothing company or whatever it is.
Rashad Evans is doing commentary now while he's fighting.
Bryan Stan retired.
He became a commentator.
Kenny Florian retired.
He became a commentator.
A lot of them are there.
And they're also becoming judges.
Ricardo Almeida is a judge in New York now, and a lot of them are coaches.
That's most likely the best path for them, especially the guys that still love the sport.
They still want to be around the sport.
Like Dwayne Ludwig is the coach of the year.
He won coach of the year.
Congratulations, my friend Dwayne.
He won coach of the year for 2013, rightly so, because he did a tremendous job of transitioning between being a great fighter to being an even better coach.
I mean, an amazing coach for this team alpha male.
He just changed that whole fucking team.
I mean, they're all striking at a very high level now, much, much higher than they were before.
So that's a good transition for Dwayne, and he's doing very well with that.
But some guys, they just quit and go into business.
Keith Jardine opened up a coffee company.
He's a caveman coffee.
That's Keith and my friend Tate, who also was a former MMA fighter.
They opened up a coffee company.
Some guys go into acting.
You know, Gina Gershon's like a famous actress now.
Gina Gershon.
Gina, goddammit, what's her name?
Gina Carano.
Gina Gershon's obviously a famous actress, too.
That was another rumor that Clinton fucked her, too.
They got points now and they're just gonna use those points to try to shut you down and build them up.
But it all just makes everybody look like a bunch of bitches.
Because if that was going on amongst your friends, let's say if there was ten of your friends, And one of your friends was not particularly happy with his wife's relationship, and so he started banging Elizabeth Hurley.
He's not the kind of guy you would want to have some information.
If Tom Sarsmore finds out dead, Vince Foster style, on a hill, with a gun attached to his dog, and no blood at the scene of the crime.
Super ugly.
The Strange Death of Vince Foster is a fantastic book.
You want to talk about a weird death that appears to be murder.
This was during the Clinton administration.
There was a guy named Vince Foster.
He knew some things about some things, and a bunch of people knew some things.
Vince Foster might have been a liability.
He wound up dead holding onto the gun in his hand with the thumb still on the trigger, which they say never happens.
They say that when someone shoots themselves and you commit suicide, your hand goes...
The gun just goes flying.
You don't hold on to the gun.
The violence of a gun.
If you've ever shot a gun, you know the guns have a kick.
Well, if you're not conscious, you're not going to hold on to that gun.
And see where Vince Foster has his thumb trapped, holding on to the gun?
He's also lying down in an area where there was no blood.
There's more blood missing from his body than was at the scene of the crime.
His body was moved.
Somebody moved him there.
Doesn't mean that he didn't kill himself.
He still could have killed himself.
He could have killed himself with a gay lover, and the gay lover wanted to cover up his story, so he grabbed the body and dropped it off somewhere and put the gun in his thump.
And every single day a cop would follow them so that if they veered too far off the road, he would take them out, put them in his car, drive it, and then come back and get his other car.
I wouldn't doubt it for a goddamn second when when that whenever someone had like an issue with drug addiction or something Like they would always clean it up for like a cop's kid or for the judges child or something like that So I mean when you talk about a tiered justice system, it's ironic that people say oh man technique You're conscious music And I always remind them, being conscious doesn't imply that you're going to do anything.
Well, it only makes sense when you think about the amount of money involved in gambling.
You know, that's the thought about fixed fights, too.
I mean, the real, the fixing fights is not like, you know, the champions paying you off to lose.
No, the fixing fights is someone wants to bet a fuckload of money.
A fuckload of money.
Like, here's a good example, and people have said, I'm crazy for thinking this, but Manny Pacquiao, when Manny Pacquiao fought Tim Bradley, Tim Bradley won that fight in no one's eyes, but maybe Tim Bradley's family...
And a couple of people at home that really hate Manny Pacquiao.
Most people saw Manny Pacquiao box his face off.
They saw him...
Not his face off, but he won that fight.
He won the fight.
In my opinion, it was a terrible, terrible decision.
But when you find out that someone voted...
That someone...
Like...
Put the scores in, and that same someone put the same, like, really ridiculous score in another fight where it doesn't make any sense.
And then you're watching over and over again.
You're seeing these scores that don't make any sense.
You're seeing these fights that most people thought one fighter clearly won.
And they have like two fighters or two judges will call it where it's, you know, one fighter's winning by like six, seven, eight rounds.
And then the other one makes it a draw.
And you're like, how the fuck could that be?
Well, the way it could be is because then it's not a majority decision.
And there's unanimous decisions, rather.
It's not a unanimous decision.
There's unanimous decision bets.
So you can bet...
A huge amount of money that Manny Pacquiao is not going to beat Timothy Bradley by unanimous decision.
You're going to bet that it's going to be a split decision.
And everybody's going to go, are you fucking crazy?
You really going to take that bet?
It's like X to one.
No one ever sees split decisions.
Well, if one judge is paid off, just one judge, all they have to do is say it's a draw.
And everybody else is like, what the fuck are you talking about?
What did you watch?
That wasn't a draw, but...
The guy who makes the money is the guy who paid off the referee to make it a draw, or the judge to make it a draw, and they win that bet.
A truckload of pussy Shows up at his house Just Beep Beep Beep They lower that back door Like one of those Aircraft carriers Where they lower the door And fucking Come out like Saving pride Autogirls with keys come out.
In fact, Eddie Bravo, they offered him a fight in Japan.
And they told him in no uncertain terms that they can make it so that he wins the fight.
And that they can make it so that he wins the fight any way he wants to win.
And he thought it was a double cross.
Eddie's like, what?
What are you talking about?
Are you going to fix the fight?
First of all, Eddie would never do that.
He would never compete in a fake fight.
He just wouldn't do it.
He wouldn't be able to live with himself.
I know him.
He would never do it, no matter how much money they paid him.
And if he did do it, he would tell people right afterwards, I did a fake fight.
He wouldn't be able to handle it.
He would say, look, man, I feel bad, but they gave me a half a million bucks.
I had to fucking do it.
And he would just joke around about how it happened.
He would never fake it.
But what they did was they came to him and they told him that.
So if that's the case, one of two things are going on.
Either it would be a double cross where he would go there thinking it was a fake fight and that dude would beat the shit out of him and he couldn't say nothing.
That's possible.
Or he could go there and the guy would lay down.
The guy would give up.
Or they would have what they would call a hard shoot.
Or a hard work.
And a hard work is you're sparring real hard.
The guy will kick you with some leg kicks.
If shit goes wrong, you could get your jaw broken.
You could get tagged and get knocked out.
And there's hard works where a guy loses that he's supposed to win because a guy got injured, because something went wrong.
Sometimes things happen.
But if you're skillful, you can make it look like a real fight.
And there's for sure that happened in K1. For sure that happened in Pride.
For sure, 100%.
I know there's some dudes that told me themselves that they threw fights.
They got paid a shitload of money, and they tapped out the Japanese dude.
They got caught in, like, heel hooks or something like that.
And the guy won, and he's a hero, and he's, like, a pro wrestler in Japan.
I mean, you could come up to some guy, you know, you could take some fighter who doesn't make that much money and if he doesn't have strong ethics and you say to him, hey man, look, we want to pay a lot of money down on you losing by submission to this dude.
Because, you know, the odds of him submitting you are really small.
So what I want to do is set it up so that, you know, he doesn't even have to know.
So they would, you know, they would tangle and, you know, he would like give up an arm bar or something like that or give up his neck.
Shoot in on a double.
A real obvious double where you like literally lay in there for the guillotine and let the guy tap you.
That could happen.
I mean, it could also happen because a guy makes a brain fart and he forgets and he leaves his neck out there and a dude snatches it up and closes it on him.
But it could happen that you give your neck up.
And guys do give their neck up sometimes when they want out of a fight.
Chael Sonnen has publicly said that he had some issues with that in his career with pressure.
That he'd be in big fights and he wound up losing by submission.
It was like he felt like he gave them the submission.
Like he wanted out of there, he left an arm and the guy caught the arm bar.
Like he really felt like he just couldn't take the pressure.
Well, you know, there's some dudes that can definitely find a way to lose.
And that psychological burden of trying to get your shit together and win, sometimes it's too hard for people, so they almost look to lose to get it over with.
That's real.
Some people can't take pressure.
Pressure is a strange thing, and pressure of not knowing the future, the anticipation of something happening and not being able to control it, especially when it deals with physical violence, someone kicking your ass.
Some dudes just turtle up.
They turtle up, try to protect themselves, take a beating, and wait for the referee to pull him off.
It's happened before.
And then there's other guys that will never do that.
There's other guys that will fight with their last fucking breath.
And then there's some guys that are just real intelligent.
If they start getting hurt, they'll start tapping.
You know, like George St. Pierre did that early in his career when he fought Matt Hughes.
Matt Hughes was, or excuse me, Matt Serra.
Matt Serra was fucking him up and he was like, whoa, this is, I gotta tap.
He was just getting mounted and pounded on.
He started tapping.
Didn't, you know, lost his title.
Lost his title to Matt Serra because he was getting fucking pounded on.
But he knew, he's like, I am way too hurt.
I'm not getting out of this one.
And this dude's going to put me to sleep.
And then it's going to be real bad if I don't tap.
Some guys don't do that.
Some guys rather go out.
Some guys rather get choked out.
They don't tap.
War Machine, he's going to be on the podcast Wednesday.
That fucking dude in his last fight, he got caught in a rear naked choke, decided not to tap.
Just went night-night.
Got choked unconscious.
The referee pulled the guy off of him.
That's what he said.
Hey, I'm never going to tap.
Like, that's it.
I'm fighting to my last breath.
And if you choke me out, you choke me out.
And that happens.
In fact, his last opponent did the same thing.
War Machine put him to sleep.
Got the guy in the rear naked, put him out.
Guy didn't want to tap, didn't want to lose.
That's what happens.
There's guys like that, and there's guys who just tap.
They go, you got me.
And then they go back to the drawing board.
It's hard to say who's more intelligent.
Because I admire the war machine approach, but I also admire the guy who realizes if I tap, I go back to the gym and I still have a right arm.
If I don't tap, my fucking arm gets snapped, then I have to go through rehab, they're going to put bolts in my arm, they're going to fucking have to put screws in there to keep the fucking thing together.
It might not ever be the same again, even when it heals up.
There's guys that have gotten injuries where they never came back 100%.
That's just part of the game.
That's part of reality.
So it's who's more intelligent?
Is the guy more intelligent that taps or the guy more intelligent that says, you know what, man, I'm going to figure out a way to win this fight even though I'm in a terrible situation.
And if he makes it, then he's a hero, and if he doesn't, he goes to sleep.
Like, the same type of enthusiasm that people had in, like, the 90s for hip-hop, where they're not afraid to boo somebody.
You know, you go to New York, you get, like, an obligatory clap that's just like, oh, it's like this tepid sort of loose, like, it's kind of like, you know, when your mom made you shake hands with your brother and you hated each other?
It's like, hey, shake hands with your brother!
Like, fuck this dude.
Shake hands with your brother, I'm gonna smack you in the fucking mouth, like...
But it's like the people in New York, yo, you go to like an underground hip-hop show or you go to some shit, they'll sit through an opener that they hate.
This is something I... Not that I love booing or something like that.
It's just...
It's funny to see people be like, I really don't want to be here.
So, I mean, I had a passion for learning about the past a few years ago where I really, really got into it.
So, technically, at some of the prison programs that I've done, I've taught...
the history of antiquity.
Like I tell kids like, all right, the way that you or anybody in this room will believe in Christianity, Judaism, or Islam, people used to believe in these creation mythologies of Sumerian and Mesopotamian times to give people an idea and an impression of a world that people used to believe in these creation mythologies of Sumerian and Mesopotamian times to give people an idea and an impression of Is not put into a concrete form.
This could be someone's belief, but your belief doesn't necessarily signify that that's exactly what the world is.
It's just what you believe the world is.
You know, similar to the way people will flip a penny in the air, and they think, oh man, it's just 50-50, and then take the same penny and flick it across the ground.
And it's not 50-50, it's 80-20 that it's going to be tails, because the face of Lincoln is a fraction of a gram heavier than the actual monument on the back.
Or it was on the old copper pennies.
So it would fall similar to the way if you're holding a TV and spinning in a circle.
You're going to fall forward, not backward.
So that's what a lot of them are getting.
They think they're getting the 50-50 shot from the world, but you're not.
You're getting spun across the table from the moment you come out the womb.
You know, you're going to be in jail here, and then they're going to tell you, oh, we want to reintroduce you to society.
How are you going to be reintroduced to a society you were never part of in the first place?
But back to the point, this guy's like, you know, oh, you do.
I was like, I'm going to teach middle-age history.
He's like...
Antiquity, I was like, sir, you know what antiquity is.
You know, Rome, Babylon, Greece, Egypt.
He's like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
So I feel like he's tested me.
And this guy's like, in middle-aged English history, you say?
I was like, you know, Essex, Wessex, Sussex, Kent, East Anglia, Mercia, Northumbria, which was divided in half along with Strathclyde when the Scottish king decided to pledge fealty to the British king and they, Dalradia and the rest.
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Yo, so the dude's like, what did you get into that?
If you don't, you get stuck with shitty comedians, man.
You get stuck with dudes who will step on your material, too.
That's another thing that bad comics will do.
Even if they're not stealing, like say if you got a bit about Mike Tyson, they'll come up with a new bit about Mike Tyson and just do it right before you so the subject is already stale by the time it gets called stepping on your material.
Maybe it won't be exactly the same thing, but you'll do the same call and response to the audience again and again, or you'll have a verse or a song about the same kind of thing, or you'll give an introduction or a speech about a song that has the same kind of connotation that somebody else will, and then that person, then the headliner gets on, and the We're almost like, oh, well, we heard this already with the openers.
And that's Bob Zamuto, who's his friend, who's the referee.
It's a joke.
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I've learned a lot about it by just doing it.
But I wanted to recapture the old days of the carnivals.
Is this in the main room?
Wrestlers used to go from town to town in carnivals.
For $500 to any man that could last in the ring with them for three minutes So I figured if I could offer a prize and make it like a contest It can get you just like grab women and like Yeah, he's trying to pin her.
With Lee Baca, same thing, that they have like an inner culture within the sheriff, and they favored certain police officers and certain people, especially with the whole, since the sheriff controls the jail systems in California, so a lot of them are getting, you know, with corruption and bribery and It happens, man.
Basically, I mean, you know, and the thing is, is they caught like a core of them, and they have like, what happened is, Internal Affairs hired an inmate, and he's an informant.
So the inmate was getting cell phones, drugs, so they actually got an inmate to be, yeah, and he's the one that basically gave up the sheriff.
And they kept finding out, so they built a whole case, you know, a few years about it, and what they did is the sheriff moved the inmate and they couldn't locate him.
His attorney or his handler couldn't locate him inside the jail system.
So they, you know, finally the pressure came to Sheriff Libak and he just basically turned a cheek and it took him for a while.
Like they started harassing him.
Like it got really, really serious because his handler couldn't find him.
Like what do you mean you can't find him inside the jail system?
People, like, I can't imagine all the abuses motherfuckers got away with before this camera came on.
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Well, the funny thing about it is the actual phone that they snuck in and gave to him, and he was sending to inmates, Was where a lot of that evidence was coming from.
Because the phone, he's taking pictures of everything.
But the way I feel about stand-up, if I went to see Joey Diaz, okay, he's my favorite comedian, and if Joey Diaz had someone go on in the audience and fake heckle him, and he had all these canned lines and he threw at that, and I thought it was brilliant, but then I found out that it was fake, I would feel sick.
I'd feel grossed out.
If I ever did that, I would feel sick.
If I ever tricked a bunch of people to think that I came up with a smooth line.
When someone heckles me and I come up with something on the fly and it nails them and then they look really stupid, that's like an art.
There's an art to finding the right thing to say at the right time.
We were in Ohio.
We had this fucking dude took his shirt off and he was standing in the crowd with his shirt off.
We only have five minutes left, but you you're you Specialized like in ancient history and you you're you're really a big fan of like ancient cultures Have you paid attention to any of this gobekli tepi shit that they're finding in Turkey?
There was a civilization called the Hittites that lived in central Turkey.
And they had this site, Hattusha.
And what I think is interesting about that is that it was totally miles and miles away from water.
In other words, most of these civilizations take place near some sort of river, near some sort of stream.
But the ironic thing about this civilization is it existed for thousands of years in Turkey, and yet there was no water that was physically near it.
It was like 50 miles away.
So you're going to tell me every single day someone rode 50 miles to get water?
And they were saying what was going on was probably that there was an internal spring that allowed for there to be water inside a city for it to flourish to the level it did.
Well, that is one suggestion, but they didn't have an aqueduct similar to the way people look at them in Roman times.
I guess they may have diverted water through a stream or by damming a river, but whatever the case may be, I think people are going to start finding more and more of these things as time progresses.
And I think what we're talking about also is that not just on land, but also on sea, you know what I mean?
In the sea.
When you go underwater, people found recently that there were ancient Egyptian civilizations or people in the Mediterranean that it existed for like three, four thousand years that have been buried.
Because in reality, there were probably plenty of places that were above sea level, you know, 10,000 years ago.
But not only that we live in, but that we're willing to live in.
It reminds me of a quote from Mark Twain where he's like, you know, the difference between writing fiction and writing reality is that you have to make reality seem believable.
You know, because it's so preposterous.
You have to include some sort of element that brings it home.
Similar to the way that a comedian will criticize society and then talk about how fucked up it is, and at the end of it say, hey, well, guess what?
I'm gonna go get a coke now, so fuck all the rest of you.
Because that's just how it is.
I think that when you look at civilizations and human development, you find...
Just a series of pure savagery and then you find ennoblement in strange and almost irreconcilable places within that society.
So when I look at them over the course of human evolution, I really wanted to address that and the fact that, you know, yes, we're a civilization of talking monkeys that have achieved some sort of Growth over the years, whether it's through grooming, because we place a gigantic amount of value on how we're groomed.
We place a gigantic amount of value on our superstitions.
In other words, if I believe something and you don't believe the same thing, I'm threatened by your belief system.
Not you or me specifically, but in terms of how we communicate and how we've communicated over the years.
Now, has that always been a positive thing or has it always been a negative thing?
Well, when we were dividing ourselves among different actual races like Homo erectus or Homo habilis, then maybe it was a positive thing to not include these people in our society or these animals or hominids in our society because it would have created a much different strand of humanity.