Joe Rogan and Aubrey Marcus debate Ting’s contract-free savings (98% user-reported) and Onnit’s E-Gen greens, dismissing flawed vitamin studies while praising food-based supplements like AlphaBrain, which amplifies psychedelic visuals. They contrast martial arts mastery—like Cerrone’s shin-to-neck knockout or Jacare’s dominance—with dogmatic ideologies, critiquing manipulative systems (Scientology, religion) that stifle self-discovery. Marcus shares ayahuasca visions of joyful entities, including his grandfather as a cobra, while Rogan links drug policy hypocrisy (Schedule 1 marijuana) to failed prison reforms and missed public health opportunities. The episode ends with Genghis Khan’s genetic legacy, Rogan’s podcast recommendations, and Marcus’s Warrior Poet Project, framing truth-sharing as a tool for elevating humanity’s collective consciousness. [Automatically generated summary]
This episode of the Joe Rogan Experience Podcast is brought to you by Ting.
Now, if you've seen the Ting news recently, let me see, Ting dropped their rates to celebrate.
They dropped their prices to celebrate two years.
They cut their rates in half.
Let me see exactly what they did.
They slash their prices permanently.
They're permanently slashing prices to celebrate their second birthday.
I fucking love shit like that.
When you don't have to do stuff like that and you do it just because you want people to feel good about your company.
What I enjoy the most about Ting is the feedback.
The feedback that we get from people that have used it.
It's all positive.
I haven't had one person say, eh, I did it, but I didn't really save that much money.
According to 98% of people saved money.
Let's see what exactly they did.
I'm trying to find the news.
It just says drops prices.
Google it.
I don't know.
I shouldn't tell you to Google it.
I should have this news.
But I don't.
It didn't come.
I had to find it online.
It didn't come as a part of the ad thing.
Anyway.
They dropped their prices.
A lot.
So, since I can't find the news that quickly, just accept that.
Permanently.
Permanently drop the prices.
Which is a fucking tricky thing to say.
You permanently drop the prices.
Permanently?
What about a hundred fucking thousand years from now, dude?
How much is that shit going to cost then?
People got to be careful.
Because the world will still be around, maybe.
That's what everybody's planning for the apocalypse.
What if that motherfucker never comes?
What if it never comes and you stay alive?
Then what, bitch?
Huh?
Then what?
Anyway, this episode brought to you by Ting.
And Ting, what they are, is a mobile company that uses Sprint's backbone.
They buy time on Sprint, rent it out to you.
But they do it in a way that most cell phone companies don't.
Like, they don't have any contracts.
They don't have any bullshit.
They don't have any early termination fees.
They're truly and completely contract-free.
And they sell the best Android phones in the world.
I switched to Android and I'm very happy with it.
And I also, I'm even more happier because once we had Andreas Antonopoulos on the podcast the other day talking to us about Bitcoin, he was talking about how the Apple app for Bitcoin is not very good.
Because 120,000 people had already downloaded that Bitcoin app and they were using it.
And Apple just decided, for whatever fucking reason, that they're not going to let you download it anymore.
I think that's gross.
I mean, if you have something that's as...
Mainstream as Bitcoin.
I mean, I wouldn't say Bitcoin's mainstream, but when you get to be 120,000 downloads, that's pretty significant and growing.
It's clearly growing.
I mean, every day I see in the news things about Bitcoin, different companies accepting Bitcoin, Vegas casinos accepting Bitcoin.
And so for Apple to step in with no explanation, unless there's an explanation, like they don't like the software, it has vulnerability, they should have to tell you that.
But if you just pull it and don't say a word, that smacks of censorship to me.
That sounds gross.
I don't know what's going on, but more and more I lean towards Android.
And I just think there's a billion fucking people that are using cell phones, probably more in the world.
And something like 80% of them are on the Android platform now.
You want to be king of the world and it didn't work out yet?
The fuck did you do, huh?
You sons of bitches.
Whatever.
Whatever the numbers are, who gives a shit?
It's a very high number of people that are using Android.
It depends on where you're at.
Worldwide, it's like 70%, it looks like.
It's pretty crazy.
The numbers are growing, too.
It was at one point in time, almost all the smartphones Good percentage of when the iPhone and then slowly but surely the Android started to get better and better and now they're actually the majority.
And there's so many people working on them too.
The new ones are pretty fucking badass.
So if you're like an iPhone person and you're worried, you don't have to.
The new ones are pretty fucking dope.
If you go to rogan.ting.com you can save some money.
They have the devices up there.
If you go and look at their website they have all the cool ones like the one I have which is the Galaxy Note 3. It's enormous, but I love it because it's just great for email and looking at pictures and shit.
But another one that's smaller that's also very badass is the HTC One or the Galaxy S4. All the top-of-the-line phones, they sell them all at Ting.
So go to rogan.ting.com.
And save $25.
Super awesome company.
Really, really happy with them.
Really happy with the feedback, too, from having them as a podcast sponsor.
So, go.
Go check it out.
They also have no-hold customer support.
You can call them.
1-855-TING-FTW. That's Ting for the win.
That shows you that they're LEET. You know what LEET is?
Do you remember L33T? That means you're elite.
You understand, like, tech talk.
Ting for the win, bitches.
Okay?
Enjoy them.
Rogan.ting.com.
Save yourself some money.
Ting also owns Hover.
Hover is actually the domain name company that I use, personally, me.
Super easy to use.
A monkey like me got on Hover and registered domain names with no problems whatsoever.
Very, very easy to do.
And they give you a lot of stuff for free at Hover that you would normally pay for, like who is domain name privacy, which is pretty important when you're Register on some freaky-ass websites.
You don't want people to know where you sleep.
You know what I'm saying, dog?
Exactly!
Also, you can set up emails.
You can have email from your website.
They'll set that stuff up for you.
Hover gives you exactly what you need to get the job done.
You find the perfect domain name for your idea to live so that you can get started.
Move on to the next thing on your to-do list.
I don't know why they want you to say that.
How do I know if you have a next thing on your to-do list?
Well, what we wanted to do is just get a bunch of the healthiest stuff you could in freeze-dried powdered format.
So we got a bunch of the actual greens, then we got some of the different colored vegetables like beets and some of the other things you might be missing from your diet.
Put in some probiotics, put in some enzymes, a few of the herbs that are good for liver and some of your organs.
And basically put together kind of a, oh shit, I haven't had my diet right kind of greens that you can add and make sure that you're at least covered from a micronutrient, microvitamin basis that just has basically all the good nutrients in it possible.
Well, one of the key things that we found is I was looking at antioxidant potential as well, and I'm fairly familiar with Peru and some of the things that come out of there, and there was a purple corn that comes out of Peru that they grow pretty much exclusively in that region, and it has a really, really high ORAC value.
And ORAC is a useful tool.
It's not the end-all be-all, but it's an antioxidant measurement.
You know, how many free radicals get quenched by The natural compound.
And that's a process that goes on normally in the body.
And it's a really high amount of that, more so than even some of the other berries, like acai berry and all these other berries that get really highly touted.
So we put a bunch of that in there and then just went from there and got a bunch of full-spectrum greens and put it all together, everything being food-based, just all the coolest, best foods that we could get.
All the best supplements that you can get are food-based, which is why those studies that came out recently were so stupid and annoying.
Because if you don't know the studies we're talking about, there's this really bold proclamation from whatever study.
Vitamins don't work.
They're not worth it.
It's not worth your time.
Case closed.
Case closed.
Two of the grossest studies ever for saying that vitamins don't work.
One of them was people over 65 that have had heart attacks That were fucking old and had heart attacks, and it didn't stop their progression of death or whatever.
Which is ridiculous.
You're over 65, you have a heart attack.
That's like saying, I had a 72 Pontiac with a blown motor.
It was going down the highway, and you changed the tire, and it didn't fucking fix my car.
Your machine's already broken, man.
You're having a heart attack at 65. This shit is close to the end.
The wheels are falling off the ride.
And the other one was physicians who were over 65 who were showing cognitive decline.
They didn't slow down their cognitive decline.
Okay, so vitamins don't work because of that?
What the fuck, man?
People are really gross with that shit where they want to say, doesn't work, doesn't work.
Why is that?
Because a lot of stuff doesn't work.
But a lot of stuff does, alright?
And that's why these vitamins were made in the first place.
The whole reason why they were extracted from food, analyzed, is because people needed to know what the basic compounds of nutrients were.
What is it about vitamin C that keeps people from getting scurvy?
What is it about vitamin B12 that gives you energy?
What is it about vitamin D that you get from the sign?
This is science.
Everyone's pretending that this is all like, oh, the pseudoscience of supplements.
Fuck you, you fat, lazy piece of shit.
You don't know nothing about your body.
That's what's going on.
All you fucking people that are like, you know, you don't need that.
Eat a balanced diet.
Oh, really, doctor?
Why don't you run up a hill with me, you fuck?
Why don't you tell me about optimum physical performance?
You don't know unless you supplement, unless you have a healthy body.
You don't know the difference between optimum and suboptimum.
You just exist at this sub-optimum state and think, whoa, I have a cup of coffee, I have my eggs and bacon, and I go to work, and I've got no problem whatsoever with my health.
Why, I just got back from the doctor.
People always want to tell you that.
I just got back from the doctor with a clean bill of health.
If you've never been on it before, what we call on it is a human optimization website.
What we sell...
Whether it's supplements or whether it's strength and conditioning equipment is all stuff that we A, know works and B, use.
When it comes to kettlebells when it comes to battle ropes Those are my absolute favorite strength and conditioning pieces of equipment.
There's nothing to me better than kettlebells.
I think there's nothing that I've ever done that I feel like I have full control over.
I don't worry about it.
There's certain things that I worry about.
I've run with sandbags up hills, and I think there's a lot of tricky shit when you're running up hills.
You know, rocky terrain and stuff, like dirt trails.
When you're running over things, I like it.
I think it's a great way to really build some serious endurance, but man, I don't really feel totally in control.
I'm carrying a sandbag, I'm running up a hill.
I've done it with heavy bags too, like kicking bags.
But with kettlebells, I feel like I can get an absolutely fucking brutal, death-defying workout in.
And I know what I'm doing.
I use proper technique.
I don't get hurt using kettlebells, man.
I can just absolutely say that.
I have been using kettlebells for at least a decade now.
I have zero injuries from training with kettlebells.
And one of the reasons, folks...
Is that I got a trainer, okay?
I've had several.
The first one was Jamie Walsh, my English friend.
Steve Maxwell also.
Have someone, and now Justin Milos, who's the best.
Love this fucking guy.
The guy I'm using now is a good friend of mine as well.
Find someone who can teach you the basic fundamentals, whether it's a gym that you have to hire a trainer and let them tape you with a cell phone so you can repeat your movements, or watch a video.
If you don't have anybody anywhere near where you live that has kettlebells or understands how to use it, watch a video and start out light.
Use like an 18-pound kettlebell or a 25-pound kettlebell.
Trust me.
I'm a fucking manly man.
I don't need a 25-pound kettlebell.
You know, you also don't need torn ligaments.
You don't need to drop a kettlebell in your head, stupid.
You don't need to fuck up your turkeys, get up, and now you have a different face.
Be careful.
But if you are careful, you'll enjoy the fuck out of it.
And you'll join the fuck out of everything we sell it on it.
That's O-N-N-I-T. Use the code word ROGAN and save yourself 10% off any and all supplements.
But then you take this back to drugs and let's say, it's not actually, most of these drugs are not anything like taking a hammer and hitting yourself in the head.
It's actually, you know, as we've all seen and we'll talk about, I'm sure, on this one as we always do, myriad benefits from all of these different drugs.
And not only that, So let's say it was like a hammer.
Let's say it was punching yourself in the head with a hammer.
Well, the punishment for doing that, to prevent you from doing that, is to throw you in a box with crazy criminals and completely dehumanize you where you may or may not get raped.
Who knows?
I watch a lot of Oz.
It looks like it sucks.
But there's no possible way that that isn't worse than what you're doing to yourself when you're taking some drugs in your house.
They're just punishing you and making it scary for everybody else.
And by the way, I'm not against gun regulations at all.
I should just be real clear about that.
I'm also not against drug regulations.
I think it shouldn't be easy to go to a doctor and just get OxyContin's.
I think there's a reason why.
And by the way, whoever sent me some information about that, apparently since we had that podcast with the people from Vanguard, did the OxyContin Express, that documentary, apparently Florida has tightened down their drug laws substantially because of that, because that documentary exposed How fucking insane that whole OxyContin Express is that goes from Florida to the northern states.
It's just a pipeline of OxyContin and the massive amount of people that have prescriptions for it.
But now it's apparently becoming a real issue for the people that are addicted because now they're fucked because they don't have anything to fill that addiction that was created by the pharmaceutical companies making sure that the drug prescription laws were very lax in Florida so they could profit.
It's all fucking bananas.
Yeah, that would help.
Ibogaine.
I'm not against regulation.
Everybody thinks that this is a black and white thing.
No, it's not a black and white thing.
But you can't tell people what to do either.
I'm not against regulation, but I'm against you telling people what to do, especially if you can't prove your point.
And when you start talking about marijuana or psychedelics, when it's mushrooms or even LSD, the amount of danger that you are in when you take LSD and compare the amount of danger that you take when you eat salt.
You know, you could eat, we found out, 10 ounces of salt will fucking kill you.
Ten ounces.
That's it.
Nobody thinks about that, but you fucking sprinkle salt in your fries and salt on this, and saw I had a fucking salted caramel ice cream.
It was delicious.
Like, we don't think about salt being murderous and deadly, but at a certain level, it is.
You get to a certain amount.
Salt will fuck you up.
So will acid.
There's an LD50 for most things.
There's an LD50 for mushrooms.
It's quite high.
LD50 for marijuana.
1,500 pounds in 15 minutes.
Come on, man.
When you say salt is legal and 10 ounces will kill you.
Tonight on the news, your whole life, madness and trying to stay afloat in a river of fucking crazy people.
Everywhere you go, bobbing fucking crazy maniacs.
All over television, all over school, every fucking person you date, every person you stick your penis inside, or they let you stick their penis inside of you.
And you have this moment of clarity where you can reflect back on this crazy circus you've been in and really think about it and then maybe make some course corrections, make some changes, pop out of it.
That's what's beautiful about it.
In Zen, they call it satori, these moments of clarity and consciousness and a general circus of life.
Yeah, I've become molecules in a never-ending fractal universe before.
I was in this one vision that was so intense.
The problem with these things is they're so intense, especially, by the way, when I take AlphaBrain.
I've got this new way of...
We've always talked about the dreams.
Alpha Brain has a really intense effect on dreams.
It also seems to have a very intense effect on the visualizations that I get when I eat marijuana.
I get a more intense series of things that I see.
When you eat it, when you close your eyes, not when my eyes are open, there's no hallucinogenic effects, at least for me, but when I close my eyes, I see things in front of my eyelids, like dancing cartoons that are neon, and they're having sex and breeding and stuff.
I see weird, crazy shit.
Very, very psychedelic.
If your eyes were open and you saw those things, you would think, wow, I'm on something serious.
I'm on some mushrooms here.
But having your eyes closed and just envisioning these things as a dream, somehow or another they become less preposterous or less crazy.
But it's very intensely hallucinogenic.
And more so, it seems, when I take Alpha Brain.
So, the eating of the pot, which is intensely hallucinogenic.
I mean, I've had wild experiences eating it and just being on a plane.
And closing my eyes on a plane and seeing just nutty fucking light shows in front of my eyelids.
But inside the tank, it's just...
Cranks it up to 10. Just finds some new gear that you didn't know existed.
I think seeing those things to me is a good sign that you're in that state of presence.
You're in that state of the nether where you're just accessing the unconscious realms of the mind.
And that's, for me, even when I meditate with nothing, that's what I'm kind of shooting for.
If I can close my eyes and start drifting into other, just following the visions without trying to direct them or think, That's when I know my mind's shut off, and that's when I know I'm in a good place.
And psychedelics tend to have that characteristic always with them as well, and I think it goes hand in hand.
It's just that's what happens when the mind gets quiet, and you're just kind of floating around looking at these images as they appear.
Yeah, there's a thing that you do when you're in a normal state of consciousness where you sort of...
Almost controlling and defining your reality by your ability to see things clearly, you know where they are, you know distances, you've got everything locked down, you know where everything is, you see the people around, you see the objects, but when you're on a psychedelic and you're closing your eyes, Or even if you're in heavy meditation and you're closing your eyes, your imagination starts to kick in and you start to see and dream and feel things.
They don't have to be there.
You have to put those on a scale for them to count.
Take those ideas and hit them with a hammer, otherwise they're not real.
No, they're real.
The imaginary ideas that you get with your eyes closed, depending on what's causing them, whether it's meditation and yoga, whether you got punched in the face and you're seeing stars, whatever the fuck it is that's causing it, these visions are still real.
You can say they're hallucinations, and you'd be correct medically.
But, say if I gave you DMT, and I told you, what I'm going to give you is a natural psychedelic compound that your own brain produces.
And all it really does when I give it to you is, it's going to fuck with your cerebral cortex, fuck with your visual interpretations of things, and you're going to see things all scrambled up.
Like, as if your connectors are plugged in wrong on your television.
You're just going to see a bunch of crazy shit.
So don't worry about it.
It doesn't mean anything.
And you come back and you say, I saw God and he told me the nature of the universe is love and that the universe is actually made of love and understanding.
The suffering only exists for us to be able to truly appreciate the love.
And as human beings evolve, the suffering and the love will do battle.
This is literally the good and evil of the Bible.
And this is why this has been interpreted by every major religion.
This is this internal struggle that we all know.
This is the reason why it's so admirable when someone becomes a good person.
Because we know how difficult it is to always choose the light.
No, no, no, no.
You were just tripping.
No, no, no, no.
You don't understand, man.
We gave you DMT and your brain fucked up.
Now, if I gave you another pill and I said, this is a pill that was brought to us by angels and it came in this beautiful crystal box and it's directly from God himself and it's a door.
It's a door to God's kingdom and you're going to get to talk to him and hang out with him for 15 minutes.
You want to do it?
You'd be like, oh my god, it's from God?
Yes, it's from God.
It's from God.
Look, the pill has a cross on it.
Just take it.
So you take it, and you have the exact same experience that I described.
The exact same experience as the experience where the guy told you, oh, your cerebral cortex is confused, and you're just seeing shit that's not there, and your imagination creates God.
The experience is exactly the same.
And that's what people have to understand.
Everybody wants to, the same assholes, vitamins don't work.
Come on, you don't need them.
You, no, maybe, shut up!
That's not what the fuck is going on.
This exact same reason why this need to dispel any notions that you're having spiritual experience.
And to sort of minimize those experiences.
But it's the same experience.
And if you benefit from that experience to the same extent as you would benefit from a real visit with angels, then it's just as good, dummy.
So this was, I was like between 18 and 22. So in college.
And I started my first one at 18. And I'm going to change the geographic location just a little bit because in case she's still rocking and rolling out there.
Anyway, so go out to the Southwest crossover.
She picks me up in a, you know, land cruiser or whatever.
She's got a dog and a car and She is, you know, kind of that loose shaman, but more of like a psychiatric kind of medicine giver.
You know, not trained in these ancient arts or ways, indigenous people.
She just kind of knew about the medicine, had a great heart.
And so she picks me up, and I'm pretty fucking terrified.
I've done nothing.
I smoked weed once with my brothers and had laugh, and we ate, like, the worst food possible.
I kind of had a sense that maybe there was something more, but I was more borderline atheist.
Like, eh, there ain't shit.
You know, you go in a box, all these people are...
Because I knew enough, and I went to high school in Texas, and they're always trying to get me to these Christian ministry things, and I'm asking them questions, and they're looking at me like, huh?
You know, I was like, this is a bunch of fucking bullshit.
So I was more on the atheist side.
So I decided, you know, as a connection through the old, you know, old family friends and I just decided to go off there, kind of like a rite of passage.
So it picks me up.
I'm nervous as shit.
We get to the place.
There's some nice little mountains and hills, and we got this little yurt that I'm going to stay in.
A yurt?
It was a yurt, yeah, built up out there.
No power, anything like that.
So we're going to do it the next day.
She says, okay, good night.
Here's everything you need.
So I'm up all night just nervous as shit because you feel like you're about to jump off a cliff.
You have no idea what's going to go down.
And I sometimes, you know, I get a lot of these people sending me messages and I forget what I was like that very first time because it's fucking terrifying.
So I get up early in the morning and I go for a long walk.
And I'm just trying to get my head around this.
I'm so afraid that I'm going to completely lose touch with reality.
And I may never get back.
That's the fear.
You're going to be so gone.
What's there?
What's left?
How do you cling to anything?
You have no control.
So I'm freaking out.
So on my way back from the hike, I kind of get my head in a good place and I pick up this rock.
And it's rather flat and I still have it to this day.
And I was like, all right, I'm going to hold this rock through the ceremony.
And if ever I feel like I'm completely out of touch with the earth, I'm going to have this rock here.
And that's going to let me know that there are rocks.
And one day I'll go back to the world of the rocks.
And I'll at least be okay.
So we go and we're about to start the ceremony.
And my very first ceremony was going to be, and she was very open with what she was giving me, was going to be a combination of mushrooms and MDMA, pure MDMA. Whoa, she's candy flipping you right off the bat?
She had me write an intention for what I was going to do.
And I'm nervous.
I have no idea.
So I read my intention and I'm already like pretty emotional.
And then we have a tea.
I drink the tea and I take the pill.
And I just kind of wait and my heart's thumping.
I don't know what's going to happen.
And then I think probably the MDMA started kicking in first.
And I was like, God.
God damn, this feels pretty good.
And then the mushrooms started really kicking.
And then the visionary experience started to happen.
And I remember one of my first visions.
I was walking through like a field of grass.
And I was just feeling my hands move through the grass.
Like I was pushing right through the grass.
And then I could feel like my breathing didn't seem that necessary anymore.
And I was almost becoming disconnected from my breath.
And then I could feel the wind coming through and all of a sudden the wind just went right through me.
And my physical body no longer existed in that moment.
It was almost like, I am sure I still was breathing, but it felt like I absolutely was not and didn't need to and it didn't matter.
And my spirit was completely disconnected from my body.
And at that moment was probably one of the most defining moments of my life because I realized, holy shit, this little meat vehicle that I'm really attached to is not what I really am.
It's just a car that I'm driving around in for now.
And like this other thing that I'm experiencing and feeling separate from that body That's something different.
And the clarity I had from that moment, from being able to separate from my body, was immense.
And I realized at some point, when you're free of these bodily confines and the mind, you're going to be able to look back at your life and see everything that you've done, good or bad.
And if it's good and you've lived well and you've pushed out as much love and done the best you can, you're going to be in a heavenly state at that point.
It's going to be heaven.
You've done your job on this earth.
You've had a great time.
You've spread the light, spread the love, and done what you were there to do, basically.
But if you've lived badly and done harm to people and hurt people and increased the suffering of the world, at that point, the blinders are just ripped off your eyes, and you've got to stare dead in the face of all the demons and evil you've ever done.
And that's fucking hell.
That's a hell that's worse than any fire and brimstone.
Because there's no way to not look.
It's like one of those horror movies where they have you, you know, your eyes pinned open and you can't not look at something terrible in front of you, except you're looking back at your own life.
And I realized that, you know, I had a lot of anger towards Christianity at that point.
And I was like, this is all bullshit.
I was like, wait a minute, maybe there is a heaven and hell.
You know, it just doesn't involve the demons and the sugar candy mountain and the bullshit.
But it's a point where you're reconnected with spirit and you get to look back and reflect your life.
And nobody else needs to torture you or pat you on the back, wish you to the pearly gates.
I was up, you know, all the stars there were far, far away from electricity and the old dog that was in the car was, you know, had really bad hips and they had a main, the main kind of house, little casa that was way warmer.
They had a bunch of fires and things.
It was nice and cozy.
Out in the yurt, it was, you know, much more kind of rural, not much going there.
You got to really blank it up.
And I was pretty vulnerable at that point.
I was out of my body or whatever.
And the coyotes start coming in at the night.
And I remember the old dog just stayed right outside my door.
Never spent the night outside because it's an old arthritic dog.
And just stayed out there awake all night with me, you know, as I was kind of going through this stuff.
And it was just kind of a cool kinship I felt.
Probably one of the first times I felt like a real kinship with another coyote.
I don't know the whole story, but apparently it involved a woman.
I don't know what the fuck happened.
It might have involved drugs.
There's a bunch of different versions of it.
Obviously, the dude was a crazy person.
Whatever happened, there was allegedly some guns and allegedly some fucking...
He's a murderer in the cage.
Tiago Silva's a scary motherfucker.
He comes after dudes.
Imagine that guy with no referee and a gun.
Holy Jesus Christ, you know?
I don't know what happened.
But there's a story that someone put today on the Underground about Tiago Silva's childhood.
The underground being mixedmartialarts.com, which is one of my favorite, well, my number one favorite website when it comes to MMA. It's just an awesome forum, always has great up-to-date news, and I know the guys who run it, and they're very, very cool guys.
But the actual story of him...
Growing up, his childhood was fucking horrific.
Horrific to read.
I had to stop reading it.
I was talking about his dad just regularly beating the fucking shit out of him.
He has a big scar on his head from when he was a little boy.
His dad fucking opened him up.
I mean, terrifying, terrifying shit.
That's how you make a really scary guy like Tiago Silva.
You make a guy who doesn't want to fucking take it anymore.
He's tired of it and he learns how to stand up for himself.
But along the way, sometimes you can make a fucking monster.
So it's, you know, either, either, or you have to have this deep calling from some archetypal draw to that, or there has to be something that kind of deflects you in a weird way.
And I wonder if I hadn't done all these different things, you know, mine wasn't that severe.
I'm As I said, I had a great fucking childhood.
I'm very blessed.
But I wonder if I wouldn't have wanted to...
Because I was on the borderline for doing some fighting and things like that.
If I hadn't gotten that out and really felt like I could assert myself fully as a man then, in that rite of passage, maybe I would have sought it in the cage somehow.
Maybe that would have had to fulfill that role for even me.
You never know where...
Obviously, I was never destined to be a fucking champion, but maybe I would have...
Gone into some smokers or something.
But, you know, it's interesting and the effects that that can have in really doing the heavy work, doing the heavy lifting, that sitting there talking on a couch to somebody, you know, you aren't going to get there.
You aren't going to see it happening and rewrite, reprogram the history in your brain.
So when I look at that back now, it's not like, poor me.
It's, I'm sorry, my dad had to You know, inflict that.
That's going to be hurting him.
But I'm not affected.
I'm not scared by that anymore.
I overcame that from, you know, from the help of this medicine.
Yeah, the feelings that I had when I was in high school, the big one was I moved around a lot.
And when I was in high school, I didn't really get picked on.
I went to a really good school.
It was a nice place.
I mean, everybody gets bullied a little bit.
You get fucked with by people a little bit.
Sure.
My zest for fighting was almost all entirely based on my childhood.
It was based on trying to overcome any feelings of weakness or vulnerability that I had when I was younger.
So as I got less and less vulnerable, my desire to fight got less and less too.
It was really fascinating to especially experience in retrospect and look back on it.
Once I was out of the house, I wasn't living with my mom and my stepdad anymore.
I was on my own.
I was almost zero aggression.
It was weird.
I wasn't in school anymore.
Nobody was telling me what to do anymore.
I didn't have this feeling like I was going to be this utter, complete failure because I couldn't get through school without falling asleep.
I'm so fucking bored.
As I got 19, 20, 21, then it became about...
In this intense challenge.
Then it became a much more healthy appreciation for competition.
Because when I was 16, I just wanted to fuck people up.
And my parents actually didn't want me to do martial arts because they were terrified that I was going to become this angry kid who knew how to fuck people up.
Whereas before, it was this angry kid who really couldn't do anything.
It wasn't dangerous.
I was 11. And then this 11-year-old became 12, and the 12-year-old's like, I want to be like Bruce Lee.
So there was a kid, I was like seven, and there was a neighbor kid who was like 12, and he was big, you know, way bigger than me.
And he would kind of pick on me a little bit just because he was bigger, but I had a bunch of older brothers, so they would always keep him in line or whatever.
One day he did something fucked up to me.
And again, that's 7 versus 12. So they're like, all right, we got a plan.
And I had, you know, those foam nunchucks that you could get for like playing around.
They had a hard center and foam on the outside.
So I had those hidden behind my back.
My brother was holding me back and he says, Ryan, go take your shots, man.
I'm fucking sick.
That was Chris, and I'm sick of Chris's bullshit.
Go take your shots.
And meanwhile, he's holding me loosely, and I just have these nunchucks.
And this guy's like, yeah, I'm going to get him a cheap shot.
So he goes up to punch me in the stomach, and I just whip him out like fucking Bruce Lee and just go apeshit on this 12-year-old kid.
And I remember I was like, I am fucking Bruce Lee.
He's not going to hold his brother and let you punch him.
You silly bitch.
There's Bruce Lee with the nunchucks in that video.
Look at that.
He was fucking people up with noon checks.
Bruce Lee was the inventor of the retard wagon train.
It's like one guy stands in the center, and they all take turns, which fucking never happens in the real world, by the way, folks.
They come at you with a mass of bodies, all centrally located, and one person grabs you, and you maybe get to punch one or two as they drag you to the ground and break everything on your body, stomp you into a fucking applesauce pulp.
Yeah, when we were sitting and talking about it, and I was talking about how long I've been doing this.
It's weird.
Yeah, 20 fucking years is a long-ass time.
But meanwhile, in 20 years, the 20 years of the UFC has been around 21 now, the world of martial arts has evolved more than it has in thousands of years.
He fucking caught him shin to the neck, Ernesto Who style.
You just shut off, man.
Your shit just shuts off.
Yeah, that's what he did.
It was beautiful.
That shin to the neck, man, it's one of my favorite all-time techniques.
Maurice Smith, who's a good buddy of mine, he landed, that was like one of the first head kicks in MMA. He landed on Conan Silviera back in extreme fighting.
I'm pretty sure he shinned him in the neck.
But that chin to the neck technique, man, it's a crazy thing that happens.
That is like, that is exactly how the technique is supposed to be thrown and exactly how it's supposed to land and exactly what happens when you get hit like that.
Well, he's so aware also because he fights so often.
I mean, he fought four times last year.
And, you know, when you fight that much, you're much more present.
That's the thing about fighting is the more often you get in fights, the more relaxed you'll get when you're actually fighting, the more you could fight up to your ability.
That's why a big layoff, when people talk about ring rust, it's not just like when they talk about what is ring rust, what is octagon rust, whatever, what is it?
What it is, is you gotta get comfortable with that crazy experience.
You gotta have that experience really close to you.
Like, one of my best fights ever was I won this US Open tournament.
And I won it because I fought the week before.
I fought a tournament the week before, and I injured my groin, and I thought I was done.
I was like, I can't compete in this New Hampshire tournament because I'm just too fucked up.
Like, my groin is really fucked up.
But Saturday morning, the day of the tournament, I always got up early because I delivered newspapers.
And I was delivering newspapers like 5 o'clock in the morning and I was like, I'm gonna fucking fight.
Like, I feel good.
It was really a caffeine and sugar buzz that made me fight because I ate a bunch of donuts.
I had fucking terrible diet back then.
But I ate a bunch of...
I burned off so many calories.
I had like 4.5% body fat.
Like, no bullshit.
4.5% body fat and I was competing.
And, um...
I ate a couple donuts and drank a full cup of Dunkin' Donuts coffee.
And these two donuts, I'll never forget it.
It was a Boston Cream donut and one of those lemon cream ones, lemon custard ones, which was covered in white powdered sugar.
Hadja Gracery is still going to choke you to sleep.
It's just you're not good enough.
You have to be good enough and those other things, which is one of the things that's so beautiful about MMA or about Jiu Jitsu or any martial art, kickboxing, is it's so hard to get really good.
It's so hard.
There's so many things involved.
It has to be a list of things have to be in order for you to win championships.
If you, you know, if you get to be a UFC champion, you get to be a Chris Weidman, you get to be a Jon Jones, so many things have to be in order for you to get to be that good.
Your mind, your body, life experiences, the will to win.
The discipline to show up at the gym, the intelligence to not eat shitty food, all these fucking...
Meanwhile, I told you about winning the US Open after you told us to drink coffee.
I was young.
I was 19 or 20. You get away with a lot when you're really young.
But the list of things that have to be in perfect order for you to become great at anything...
That's why it's so fun to pursue greatness or so enriching to pursue it.
And even if it's just personal greatness, you know, you don't have to be the greatest in the world at anything, but if you personally improve at something, whether it's fucking playing tennis or anything, whether it's writing books...
I made a post on my Facebook page that I said something like, It's encouraging that same thing, changing your friends, deciding who you want to hang out with and trying to hang out with these people that really inspire you.
And so then there was this backlash of people saying, some people say, no, man, you're perfect just the way you are.
You shouldn't try to be anything different.
And I was like...
Well, I kind of get what you're saying, but in order to hang out with other people that inspire you, you can't just be like, I am what I am, bro.
I'm not going to fucking try anything.
You got to be in the same path, you know, to connect with them, to really be someone that they want to hang out with.
You got to be pushing yourself too.
And that's part of the process because they're going to see that.
You know, if you haven't gone out and actively faced your own demons...
They'll be nice.
They'll shake your hand or whatever.
But they're not calling you out for, you know, beers and a game of pool on Saturday.
You know, they got other people that inspire them, that they want to be around and make them feel alive from that same kind of energy and connection.
And, you know, I think it's important.
Yes, you know, some parts of us are perfect as they are.
But nonetheless, that pursuit of excellence is going to put you in the class with other people who are on the same pursuit.
Yeah, it's that old expression, game recognizes game.
It does.
People who are real, I don't like using that expression, people who are real, because there's so many fucking abuses of that word real.
Keeping it real.
I'm out there keeping it real.
But those people that are present, people that are legitimately who they are They're not projecting.
They're not putting on an act.
When you meet someone who is putting on an act, God, it's glaring.
It's a sore thumb.
It's just throb, throb, throb.
Just douchiness and grossness.
Get me away from this fucking idiot.
And just catching a little lie here and there.
Catching a little...
You know, just a little exaggeration, a little distortion, a little...
That shit is bad for you.
It's bad for you to be around.
You can catch that just like you can catch a cold.
You know, you can catch distortion.
Lower your standards.
It'll slowly chip away.
If you lived in prison and you were surrounded by liars and thieves and murderers, like you were in the worst prison ever, everyone was guilty, no one was set up, no one had a bad childhood, just cunts, just the prison, the cunt penitentiary, you know, your idea of what human beings are would drop.
Yeah, they also have some of the best sense of humor.
I have some friends that are cops that I know from martial arts or whatever, and they want to do this dark sense of humor, man, because they just see, you know, oh, we showed up, and this lady's head was in the middle of the road, and, you know, oh, Jesus Christ.
Yeah, and then be really weird about it, because, you know, when you see something like a horrible car accident, and you see them every day over and over again, and then you get in your car...
Okay, here we go.
You know, I'm going to enter into this thing that also, you know, I saw what happens when everything goes wrong earlier today, but now I'm just going to go about my...
I mean, they see it every day.
I mean, most likely, you know, most days, they're going to see something fucked up, especially if you're in L.A. If you're a cop in L.A., Jesus Christ, what the fuck do those guys see every day?
That's why I kind of, from the cops that I've interacted with, the more heavy shit that goes on in the neighborhood, usually the cooler the cop is when they pull you over for something stupid, you know?
It's like the cop, if you get caught in a really neighborhood where not shit happens and you're going five miles over to the speed limit, they'll be a dick a lot of time.
You know, if you're in a place where they're checking on murders and risking their life and whatever, like, oh, cool, you turn the dome light on and you're giving me your stuff.
All right, cool, man.
Just slow it down.
You know, just got to keep it safe out here.
And they'll let you off, you know, whereas the other cops are just like, oh, look at you, because their fucking calibration is off.
Obviously a generalization, but I tend to see that.
When every good person generally looks at you and says, oh, fuck the fucking cops, because you're always just buzz killing whatever they're doing, they're put in a terrible spot having to defend these weed laws and psychedelic laws and, you know...
Even some of the alcohol laws, you know, for a 20-year-old who wants to fucking drink some beers in his house or whatever.
All of these cunty things they have to do, you know, causes people to despise.
Imagine if none of those laws existed and cops were only there for the stuff that you really wanted them there for.
People would love the cops.
Ah, fucking sweet.
Cops are here.
Rape, murder, crime, thievery.
You'd be pumped and be like, yes, the cops are here.
Awesome.
They're around.
I love it when the cops are around.
But because they have to enforce these terrible laws that you know are bullshit and are just fucking up your day, you know, raising revenue or, you know, even worse, trying to bust you for exploring your own consciousness, you kind of fucking hate them and resent them.
You know what we could do that would crush almost every police department all across the country?
Everybody just drive the speed limit and obey all traffic laws.
It would destroy them because they're so used to pulling in X amount of money per month that if we could go a few months, just a few months, of no traffic stops ever...
People, literally, they would just start false flagging people.
They would have to.
They would go after you and they would set up a fake crime and then arrest you for it.
Sort of like the war on drugs.
Sort of like the DEA would do.
What would they do if everybody stopped selling weed?
They would find retards and talk them into selling them weed.
And then arrest them.
That's what they would do.
If everybody just totally stopped selling weed, would the DEA go out of business?
The fuck it would.
If all these Mexican drug cartels said, listen, man, you know, we did some ayahuasca, and we've got a different point of view, and, man, it's not cool to harm people.
So look, we made a lot of money.
We're just getting out of the business.
We're not selling any more weed.
And then everyone in America said, you know what, man?
Grow your own weed.
I'm not selling any weed.
That's it.
We're done.
There's no one else to bust.
No one's selling weed.
There's no one to bust.
What would they do?
They would set people up, man.
They would keep their job.
An organism would preserve its identity, and it would preserve its life.
It would preserve its existence.
And the only way to preserve your existence is you've got to arrest motherfuckers.
If we didn't have any traffic violations at all for a few months, it would bankrupt most police departments.
Isn't that insane?
They're dependent on crime.
At least this petty crime of parking and speeding and not stopping at stoplights.
And these private prisons would start to crumble if you took away all of the inmates who were there for these drug charges.
And that was a good point.
There's a documentary, The House I Live In, and they make a great...
A great case for that, how all these private prison systems need to throw these people in prison at these overwhelmingly high levels compared to the rest of the world, is they're surviving like an organism.
Like all these other cunty big corporations, they're like an organism that's going to survive at fucking any cost.
When you find out that these people that need these jobs lobby to make sure that these jobs are in place, and the way they do that is to make sure that things are illegal, so they can arrest people.
Like, the policemen's, the guards, the prison guards' union...
They make sure that they spend money to make sure that drugs stay illegal.
They work actively.
They spend money on making sure that marijuana is illegal.
Who would do that?
Who would do that based on the facts at hand?
Someone who profits from that.
Someone who profits from drugs being illegal.
And the way they profit is, more people get arrested and then they keep their job as a prison guard.
That is slavery, no matter how you slice it.
That is just a tricky way of being a slave master.
What you're doing is you're figuring out this real sneaky way to enforce slavery.
And everybody says, it's not slavery, it's a choice.
You don't want to follow the law.
Shut up, stupid.
Shut your fucking internal dialogue right now, because the law is just some shit that people wrote down.
Nobody wants marijuana to be illegal but idiots.
No one.
When you look at the actual facts behind it, if you can't argue the facts, then there's no conversation.
And when the LD50, which is a lethal dose at 50%, meaning if there's 20 of us, we all take the same amount, half of us would be dead.
What's that number?
1,500 pounds in 15 minutes.
Okay, we're done here, right?
We're done here.
Don't have to worry about that.
Okay, what else you got?
Drano.
People are drinking Drano.
Yeah, don't do that.
Okay, yeah, let's make that not cool.
You can't sell Drano drinks.
What the fuck is wrong with people?
But the idea that someone would lobby to keep marijuana illegal, that's where you see how laws...
And things that are written down on paper can really fuck with people because it becomes doctrine.
It becomes law.
What it becomes is this rigid thing that can't be worked around.
And you end up with this almost doctrine that's based on some...
It's like faith.
It's like a new religion.
It's like saying that...
You know, the urges to have sex inside you are masturbate or evil and you need to go to the church.
Okay, you made something that fucking makes sure that everybody feels guilty and everybody needs a priest because everybody's going to want to touch their genitals.
So you just figured something out, a way to fucking hack the system so that you get everybody in some form of psychic or mental slavery.
And in the prison system, I've never heard that analogy, but you're fucking absolutely right.
It's like you're enslaving them for your own profit.
Yeah, they're actively making sure that people are in jail.
They're making sure that there's laws in place that will ensure that more people will get arrested.
You know, there's a movement, and the movement is, well, there's ethical considerations when it comes to private prisons and laws, and also laws where there's no victim.
Victim is, shut up!
Shut up!
I need a job.
I need to keep my family fat.
unidentified
So what we're going to do is we're going to lobby to make sure drugs are illegal.
And even in 2014, there's parts of Africa where people are regularly burned to death for being witches.
There's a bunch of videos of it online of people convincing people that they're witches or that someone has bewitched.
A spell is cast under them and families are literally selling everything they have and forcing themselves into indentured servitude to pay for a witch doctor to cure their children of being witches.
It's a serious, serious issue that they have over there in 2014. This day and age.
Ideologies, man.
Ideologies and beliefs are incredibly strong things.
And it's so easy to manipulate people because we don't know.
We literally, all of us, the giant mass of us, have no idea what the fuck is going on.
You know as much about what life is all about as anyone who's ever lived, ever.
And that's really hard for people to swallow.
So when we come along someone that claims to know something, they take the place of where our parents were when we were children.
When you were a child and you knew almost nothing, your parents knew more than you.
So you could go to them and they steered you right, and that's how you got to be alive today.
And the more fear that you lived with growing up, the more readily you'll accept that position.
The more terrified you'll be and insecure you'll be.
You have not found personal sovereignty.
So all of a sudden, religion comes along.
And fills up this spot where your daddy used to be.
Where your mommy used to be.
And religion tells you.
And I don't mean just any religion.
I mean witchcraft.
I mean everything.
Scientology.
Fill in the blank.
You name it.
No one has the answers.
So when someone comes along and they tell you not only that they have the answers, but that they need your money.
And they need a lot of it.
And you've got to behave in very specific ways that don't make any sense.
You know, the only thing that you can count on is stuff that you can reliably find out yourself.
Any great spiritual teacher is going to basically send you on your own quest for knowledge and let you come up with your own truth.
Because if it's not reproducible by yourself...
It's probably bullshit.
You know, if you can't get there doing a psychedelic, meditating, going in the tank, trying to actually pursue, you know, this quest for knowledge and you can't come to that conclusion, I say most likely you should discard it.
If someone's just trying to force feed it down your brain, it should be reproducible.
You've got to be searching to clean up your own life.
That's one of the things they say about people when it comes to getting clean.
People that are abusing drugs or alcohol.
Getting clean and sober, you have to hit your rock bottom where you realize you've got to do something about your life.
Until you realize it, all the people in the world telling you to get your shit together, it's not going to matter.
It doesn't mean anything.
You're just going to placate them.
You know what, man?
You're right.
I'm done, man.
I'm done.
Done fucking using, man.
I'm done.
Meanwhile, as soon as you get away from them, you're calling up your dealer.
Eddie Bravo had an ex that had a meth problem.
And he didn't know about it.
And he found out about it.
Because she didn't know he was home or something like that, and he was listening to a phone call, and he couldn't fucking believe it.
I think that was what happened.
But when he listened to it, he was like, holy shit.
Living with this chick, had no idea she was doing meth, and then he leaves, and she's like, yeah, what do you got?
I need to get some.
I need to get high right now.
What do you got?
And he was like, what?
And then he sort of figured it out and then confronted her, but didn't know.
Had no idea.
And you know, tell her, hey, you know, you gotta stop doing this.
Yeah, yeah, you're right.
I'm fucking done.
Done with that shit.
Is he gone?
Okay, good.
I need to get some fucking meth right now, okay?
Not yesterday.
Not in an hour.
I need it now.
Until that person says, hey, I gotta stop doing meth.
I don't want to be this person.
I'm gonna test my will.
I'm gonna change my life.
I'm gonna steer this battleship.
I'm gonna figure out a way off the rocks.
Until that person makes that decision, no movement's gonna take place.
That's why I fucking hate talking with people when they start talking to me about losing weight.
I think what I'm going to do is just drop...
I guess I just eat late at night.
Hey, just fucking do it, man.
Just stop.
Don't talk to me because you're just jerking off in my face.
That's what you're doing.
This is a form of mental masturbation.
I get it.
You're trying to look for inspiration.
You've got to find it inside of you.
We can have these conversations once...
But if we have them twice, and then three times, and then four times, and then I don't see you for six months and you're fatter, you can go fuck yourself, okay?
I'm done.
I'm not gonna keep doing this, man.
I'm not gonna keep doing this.
You know what you gotta do.
You gotta find something.
And I don't know if free will is real.
Because there's the big philosophical debate.
Is there free will?
Isn't every decision you make based on a variety of things that include genetics, epigenetics, life experiences, you know, what path?
Going left as opposed to going right.
What happened to you before you had any control over your life when you were a baby?
Your whole personality is formed by the time you were two.
You start factoring in, get into that sort of philosophical debate.
That's all good in the hood.
That's all cool in the gang.
But I know for a fact that some people change.
So, either you're going to be one of those motherfuckers that changes, or you're not going to be one of those motherfuckers that changes.
You can get philosophical all day long and say, there is no free will, and I'm not going to do it because there's no free will, and hey, I'm just happy being me.
In a different way, and that's just from my own experiences of separating myself from that robotic mind and just becoming that higher part of yourself.
And that is the part of you that really does have free will.
There's this higher consciousness that can stop everything.
Just say the whole thing.
Throw the fucking brakes on.
And then make some decisions.
And maybe there's winds that blow, influences, currents that are going to shape different ideas of thought.
But man, when you're in that state and you can really feel connected to that person driving your ship, you know there's free will.
People have been doing it from the beginning of time.
You can better yourself.
And that's one of the reasons why inspirational people are so important.
Because you can make choices based on inspiration.
That is free will defined.
The thing we're talking about, about being inspired by people, surrounding yourself with positive people, using that positivity to...
Reinforce your own life and inspire your own life.
That is free will.
That is free will broken down to its most beneficial aspect.
The most beneficial aspect of free will is the ability to choose to better yourself, to be influenced by positive things, whether it's love or whatever it is.
Well, what if those things didn't happen?
You wouldn't have free will because it's not free will.
It's just you reacting to your environment.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Everybody says that's weak, by the way.
You ever notice that?
It's not a bunch of fucking savage champions that don't believe in free will.
No, they all tell you.
You have to test your will.
You have to test it.
And people who have never truly tested their will, if you never truly tried to run up that mountain with that 130-pound rock on your back, if you never really tried to do jiu-jitsu and tried to do battle with another skilled person for 20 fucking minutes where your heart's ready to explode and your chest and your fucking arms are made out of rubber, You don't know about pushing yourself.
You don't.
You don't.
You haven't really tested yourself.
You've just gotten in your car and driven to your cubicle every day and put in your hours, and then you want to talk shit.
But that's not how life works.
The way life works is you get your shit-talking license when you accomplish something.
And ironically speaking, once you've accomplished something, you're least likely to want to talk shit.
It comes from a need deep inside to fill up some void they fill in their own mind, in their own ego, in their own...
So that need requires positive reinforcement from other people, but that's going to be a vacuous hole that they're never going to fill.
And so unless they've already conquered that, they're not going to be that good.
You have to get past that to really be one of the true masters, unless there's a rare occasion where, as we said before, someone's raw ability is just so unbelievably savage on another level that they do get to be ostensibly a champion.
You know, without actually having gone through it.
I'm sure there are cases of that where someone is just so fucking gifted that they've gotten away with not actually facing the demons on the journey.
I think in certain fight sports, it's actually possible to get incredibly proficient and not be a true master of yourself.
Mike Tyson, I think, is one of the greatest examples ever.
Mike Tyson has come out and said that he was on coke through a great part of his career like he was doing coke and fighting I mean and he was Clearly out of control whether or not he raped that Desiree woman who was accused of raping.
I don't know I I wasn't there.
But whatever that was, you have to take into consideration a couple of things.
With that particular case, one, she had falsely accused someone of rape just a year before.
Sure.
That's one.
And two, she took her panty shield off when she got into the bathroom.
Both of those things don't look so good for her.
Doesn't mean that she didn't say no and he didn't rape her.
So who knows what actually did happen.
But take away that one experience and just look at all the crazy shit that guy did.
He was a maniac.
He was buying Bentleys and Rolls Royces every day and punched Mitch Blood Green at a fucking Harlem haberdashery at 2 o'clock in the morning.
My point is, he was the baddest motherfucker of all time while he was doing all his craziness.
But the thing that he did do is insane amounts of work, insane intensity, insane focus and determination, and a deep, deep, deep knowledge of his craft.
A huge knowledge.
I mean, the reason why he had that high top fade where he shaved the sides of his head, because that's what Jack Dempsey did.
He watched Jack Dempsey from the time he was a fucking child, like constantly imitated and mimicked the movements of Jack Dempsey.
Got much better, in my opinion.
He's way better than Jack Dempsey.
You watch Jack Dempsey move around.
See if we can pull that up.
Jamie, pull up a video of Jack Dempsey.
This is a perfect example of how someone can be inspired by someone who sucks compared to them.
When Mike Tyson fought Marvis Frazier, it was when he was on his way to the heavyweight title.
He had not defeated Trevor Burbick yet, but he was on his way.
But just pull it up so you could just see the fight.
Because the fight only lasts for about fucking ten seconds.
But he swarms that motherfucker in a way that to this day is the most terrifying beating I've ever seen anybody give anybody inside a boxing ring.
Because Marvis Frazier has zero chance.
He wasn't a hungry, evil fighter.
He was the son of one of the greatest of all time and didn't really have it himself.
And he was fighting a guy who was going to be the greatest heavyweight of all time in his greatest time when he's surging and coming up Looking for a shot at the title.
And he just corners Marvis Frazier here and just unfucking loads.
Bing, bing, bing, bing.
Every punch is perfect.
Massive amounts of torque and muscle behind every fist to his face.
And that one combination puts Marvis Frazier out of boxing for the rest of his life.
I mean, I think he boxed again after that, but he was a shadow of himself.
Everyone knew he was never going to be the heavyweight champion, and he was never going to be able to beat this fucking monster.
I mean, he didn't offer any resistance whatsoever.
And look at these combinations.
He's so accurate.
See, that's way better than Jack Dempsey.
See, my point is, like, you look at Jack Dempsey, who inspired Mike Tyson, and Mike Tyson is fucking way better than Jack Dempsey.
I mean, way, way, way, way, way better.
Sam Kinison was inspired by Lenny Bruce.
But if you watch Lenny Bruce and watch Sam Kinison, you go, oh, Jesus Christ.
Like, Lenny Bruce, if you, like...
Try to watch it today as a 2014 comedian.
Like, if he was a guy, like, this is a guy I heard about, his name is Lenny Bruce, he'd be like, oh my god, this guy's boring.
He's so boring.
He's ain't obvious shit.
It wasn't obvious shit in 1950. In 1950, it was fucking crazy, groundbreaking stuff.
I mean, he was saying things that nobody had ever even thought you would hear on stage before.
And he was going to jail for them.
And that guy went to jail countless times just for profanity, just for speaking his mind and talking about the language that we use.
I mean, he would use profanity in talking about how odd it is that we have these restrictions on language.
You hear so many people talk about how they're building off the backs of the giants from times ago, you know, from...
Whatever it is in science and art and sport and all of that, you build off of what is created before and make it generally better.
You get to take what they knew, and the best people do this, take what they knew, take how far they went, and then take it even farther.
And then you think about some things like you look at Graham Hancock's work and then you wonder, well, what happens if everything just gets fucking taken away and you have to start over?
What if all the UFC tapes completely went out of people's consciousness?
This whole generation, it's only 25 years, this generation gets wiped out, a new one comes up.
They've got to figure that shit out all over again.
Yeah, I'm like, no, he wasn't actually pinning him with his leg.
He's like, how is that guy pinning that guy with his leg?
But for a person who doesn't ever do martial arts, they look at some shit and they don't know what's happening.
They're like, how did he hit him with his shin?
What the heck?
That guy, he flipped around and he hit the guy with his shin?
Like, they couldn't even recreate it.
If you showed someone, and they didn't have any knowledge of martial arts at all, and you showed them Edson Barbosa versus Terry Edom, where Edson Barbosa hits him with this wheel kick from hell.
Like, one of the worst wheel kicks I've ever seen anybody absorb in any combat sport ever.
I mean, the guy just got...
Terry Edom looked like he got shot.
Like, he got shot with a sniper.
Just, boom!
He stiffens up and is down like his head exploded.
If you show that to somebody, they'd be like, what did he do?
He flipped around through the air.
The guy flew through the air and he hit him with his foot.
These techniques, you don't even know what a guy's doing to you.
And when it's happening to you, it's even more confusing because you can't see what's going on sometimes when you're getting strangled or when you're getting armbarred.
There's a mass of legs and arms and tangle and you're trying to grapple and all of a sudden those legs are across your face.
You're not even seeing what's happening and you're getting armbarred.
You're not sure, especially in the beginning.
You don't recognize the dangerous positions.
You don't know when to defend or even how to defend.
So when you get stuck in these spots, it's literally a mystery while your arm is screaming in pain.
Jean-Jacques does that to me still, and I'm a black belt.
I roll with Jean-Jacques.
I'm up in the air, man.
When you feel someone who's really good at getting those butterfly guards in and flipping you here and there, it's a skill that you develop, the ability to lift someone up and manipulate them.
And a lot of people don't understand How high a level the top level jujitsu guys have achieved because you only see jujitsu in MMA and jujitsu in MMA is a lot it's actually like less advanced than kickboxing in MMA because there's some there's some really like high-level kickboxing that you see occasionally in MMA with elite fighters and also kickboxing in MMA is a tad more dangerous Then kickboxing and kickboxing because the gloves are smaller.
You can't protect the same way.
Like, kickboxing, they can go in this shell.
They have this, like, Badr Hari is really good at that.
He holds up real high with this shell, and they move forward, and they throw kicks and punches to come back to that shell.
But that shell in MMA, punches still get through.
And one will do you in.
It's not like a boxing punch with that big glove.
It's a different sort of thunderous effect that a really hard puncher with an MMA glove has on.
But when there's no striking, then you get to see what real high-level jiu-jitsu is all about.
And you get to see a guy like a Jacare or a Hodger Gracie or a Krohn Gracie or Marcelo Garcia, these super, super high-level guys going at it.
And you get to see jiu-jitsu that is on a level that you almost never see when there's punches involved and kicks involved.
So to someone who doesn't know what really high-level jiu-jitsu looks like, when you think you kind of have an idea of what the baseline is, well, you know, I've seen Anderson Silva tap out Chael Sonnen on the ground, so I'm pretty sure I know what jiu-jitsu looks like.
You really don't, because Anderson Silva gets tapped out if he goes to jiu-jitsu tournaments.
There's a video of him getting tapped out while he was a champion.
He got armbarred.
That's the way of the world, man.
There's another level.
The level, the super, super high level jiu-jitsu is fucking wild to watch, because these guys are masters, and they're ninjas, and they're hitting these High-speed moves and countering these moves, and you can watch guys, like, really, like, technical guys, and you're watching these wild rolls, and it's like, Jesus Christ!
You know, it's such a beautiful thing that all of these arts kind of got a testing ground, and I wish it could be applied to other things, because just in the way that the UFC made people take the very best from everything, the very best from karate, the very best from taekwondo, the very best from jiu-jitsu, wrestling, All these different things.
Judo.
Everybody contributed a little piece to the puzzle.
Some pieces way bigger.
Obviously, jujitsu's piece of the pie was a big fucking meaty piece of the pie.
But everything had a little point, except for maybe some weird kungfus that probably contributed maybe only the tiniest little sliver of something.
I don't know.
But then in life, people are still, because there isn't that proving ground, with like philosophies and meditation techniques and yoga schools, they get so rigid in defending their way, their dogma of what they think, you know, this is the only way.
Just like martial artists used to be.
My dojo is the only way.
It's the deadly arts.
Blah, blah, blah.
You know, it's a shame that there isn't some way to really have that kind of intercourse where you test every different skill and just use what works.
But, you know, I think we can do that ourselves anyways.
And I think that's the right philosophy.
Take a little bit from all of these great religious philosophies, these schools of thought.
Buddhism, Zen, Hinduism, Christianity, Judaism, Islam.
Everybody has a little verse.
Some might be fatter piece of the pie for you than others.
But everything has some way to contribute to this.
And all these other techniques, you know, if you like transcendental meditation, okay, maybe that's a big piece, but maybe try some of the other meditation cycles.
Or if you like Bikram yoga, okay, that can be a piece, but try these other things too.
The same thing needs to be applied across the fucking board.
But because there's no way for these people to battle and for people to ostensibly see it and prove it, it doesn't happen.
And you get stuck back in 1970s martial arts where everybody's defending their stupid dojo, when really the best way is a little bit of everything.
But yeah, those guys, they're so rigid about that being the only way, and it's 18 postures, and it's at this fucking degree temperature, and everything else is bullshit.
Sexual harassment scandal rocks yoga community after Bikram, the dude's name is Bikram Chudhori, I don't know if I'm saying that right, is slapped with a lawsuit.
And apparently the dude drives Bentleys and shit, and he's a super baller.
He's a super baller.
He's a handsome guy.
He's probably got a mad yoga pussy.
Imagine the yoga pussy that guy gets with his little speedos on, doing stretches with chicks, and it's all about releasing and pressure and positions and just sliding it into your pussy.
With all due respect to the fellows on the other side, that schizophrenia...
Which my father was a psychiatrist and taught me something about could be described as a party that talks about saving money all the time and being concerned with deficits and being totally driven by that, but not being concerned about saving money when people are in jail for marijuana and mandatory minimums that judges have said were awful.
And for non-violent, first-time offenders who are serving lifetime sentences in jail, costing us $30,000 a year, and the population of jails has gone up 800% in the last 30 years.
That's schizophrenia.
You're concerned about cost and cutting costs, but not when it's jailing a population.
Mr. Botticelli, your hands are tied on Schedule 1, but it is ludicrous, absurd, crazy, to have marijuana in the same level as heroin.
Ask the late Philip Seymour Hoffman if you could.
Nobody dies from marijuana.
People die from heroin.
And every second that we spend in this country trying to enforce marijuana laws is a second that we're not enforcing heroin laws.
And heroin and meth are the two drugs that are ravaging our country.
And every death, including Mr. Hoffman's, is partly the responsibility of the federal government's drug priorities for not putting total emphasis on the drugs that kill, that cause people to be addicted and have to steal to support their habit.
And heroin and meth is where all of your priorities should be.
Heroin is getting into the arms of young people.
And when we put marijuana on the same level as heroin and LSD and meth and crack and cocaine, we are telling young people not to listen to the adults about the ravages and the problems, and they don't listen because they know you're wrong.
With all due respect, you should be listening to scientists.
I understand the parents who are grieved because their child died of an overdose.
They didn't overdose on marijuana.
And you're listening to them rather than the scientists?
Mr. Botticelli, it may go back to A Few Good Men, the movie, Jack Nicholson.
You can't handle the truth.
The truth is, the drug war failed.
Your direction on marijuana is a failure.
Get to dealing and saving kids from heroin overdoses.
Now, you talked about alcohol, and you may have gotten to this.
Cirrhosis of the liver?
Pretty serious thing.
Violence against spouses and women?
People don't smoke marijuana and beat up their wives and girlfriends.
They get drunk, sometimes they beat up their wives and girlfriends.
Maybe the reason there's so many more people smoking marijuana now is because they're not listening.
And maybe they're doing the other drugs too.
But it also shows that the drug war has been a failure.
You know, the thing that's so fucking incredibly frustrating and infuriating is, as part of the criteria for Schedule 1, the drug has to have no medicinal benefit.
NO medicinal benefit.
And countless fucking medicinal benefits are being shown by a lot of these drugs.
I mean, the success rate of them testing things and getting positive results, it's only been recent they've been able to get access to things like psilocybin and even the marijuana studies that they've been able...
They're still hardly ever able to even work with marijuana.
It's one of the toughest ones to work with, talking to the people at MAPS. But they're testing these things, and it's coming back amazingly positive.
You watch something like that Sanjay Gupta completely reversing his policy because he watched some kid who was on 14 fucking pharmaceuticals that were going to kill her, and then she smokes weed because she had epilepsy, smokes weed that has high CBD and is doing better than she ever has in her life.
And he's like, Okay, I'm a fucking, I was a dickhead, I was a doctor, but now I know what fucking happens.
But stop and think about how nuts it is that that same drug is also now legal in two states.
These states have gotten so fed up, Washington and Seattle, both two of the most awesome spots in the country, or Washington and Colorado, they've gotten to this point where they're like, you know what?
Fuck you.
It's legal.
We say it's legal.
In our state, it's legal.
Not only that, you can sell it.
In Colorado, they're going gangster.
In Seattle, they're watching Colorado going, what's going to happen to that?
But in Colorado, they're just fucking selling it.
Selling it like crazy.
And then the government's like, yeah, well, you can't put the money in the banks then.
And then eventually, they have revisited that and said, okay, we're going to let people use the banks.
Because it's so much fucking money.
There's so much money.
Like, you're going to keep that money out of the banks?
Are the banks fucking failing?
Don't the banks need money?
What are you guys doing?
Like, you go to this emerging industry, and you better look at it as an industry now, because now it's proven itself.
They made a million dollars in the first fucking hour when they were selling marijuana in Colorado.
They were just fucking going off.
And it's only like 12 stores, and one day they made a million bucks.
And the cool thing about these states is, you know, if you have real good states' rights, the ability for states to regulate a lot of these things, it's going to be a great way to ensure that some of these draconian, crazy, bullshit laws don't get passed.
Because some states are going to wake up.
You know, in this big nationwide consciousness, it's easier to kind of get enough dummies circled together from everywhere to block something.
But, you know, in one state, you know, you have a lot of more flexibility to actually spread information, create a new kind of vibe and create new rules like they decided they're not supposed to be able to do that.
They're not supposed to be able to say weed is legal, but they just said, we're just fucking doing it.
You know, I don't care if the federal laws say you can't, we're going to do it.
And maybe you could come in with the feds and cause trouble, but, you know, we're going to take that risk.
And I think putting a lot more rights like that back to the states is the way to go.
I mean, that's the whole reason why the whole state situation was set up in the first place.
The state's rights are supposed to supersede the federal rights.
Or laws, rather.
They're supposed to supersede the federal laws.
And I think we're also seeing this overwhelming wave of information starting to shift the way they interact with us and the way they're forced to deal with certain situations when it comes to world events, like Syria, for example.
When Obama went on TV and was talking about military action for Syria, the whole world went, Boo!
Boo!
You what?
You have to do what?
Why?
Because somebody poisoned people?
Do you know what you've done?
Do you know a million people are dead in Iraq?
Do you know how many people you killed from drones that had nothing to do with the person you were trying to kill?
Shut the fuck up.
No, you don't have to go to Syria.
No, it's not important we invade Syria.
And then they stopped talking about it.
When was the last time you heard Syria in the news?
When was the last time you saw Syria on CNN? When was the last time you saw Syria on Fox News where they were saying the invasion is imminent, the imminent invasion of Syria?
And the marijuana truth is something that seems so impossible and improbable.
There's so much from the moment that it was made illegal, from the whole conspiracy to make it illegal by a guy who was a paper manufacturer and owned newspapers, William Randolph Hearst.
If you read the story of how marijuana was made illegal, I won't bore you with the details, because I've told it on this podcast too many times.
But it's a guy who owned newspapers.
He made a bunch of fucking stories up, and that's how weed became illegal.
And when they made weed illegal, they didn't even know they were making hemp illegal.
Now, they recently passed this farm bill.
Did you see this?
Where they're going to allow states that make hemp growing legal to grow it at universities.
So the universities are going to be allowed to grow hemp.
So in a way, it's sort of making hemp start to become legal.
And I don't know if that's for commercial application.
I don't know what they're going to be able to do with the hemp, but that's even dumber than the weed law.
If you thought the weed law was bad, this hemp thing is even fucking crazier because it is legal.
When you find a place that's unbelievably physically beautiful, like Colorado, I always think that for some reason that is gonna accumulate a lot of intelligent and cool people.
Because there's a benefit in having beauty around you.
There's a reason why people spend so much money on art.
Why do people dress so nice?
Why do people have nice cars?
Do they have nice cars to drive, or do they have nice cars to look at?
Well, it's not just to drive, because if it was just to drive, every car would look like a rock on the outside, and inside of it would just be this really opulent, luxurious thing that made you feel good as a passenger.
No, most people don't even worry about what the inside looks like.
You look at the inside of that car, they've got fucking jack-in-the-box wrappers on the ground.
Fucking empty soda cans.
Starbucks is flopping around their cup holder.
They're not worried at all about the inside, but the outside is polished and shiny.
Why is it?
Because when you look at things that are beautiful, they give you a feeling.
They give you a good feeling.
That's why when you're taking your woman out and you go, are you ready?
And she's like, yeah.
And she steps out and you look at her and you're like, whoa, you look great.
Like, woo, this feeling.
This feeling of observing beauty.
Hopefully you do that.
I mean, you might be...
Might be unfortunate in that regard.
But if you are fortunate in that regard, if you live in a neighborhood where there's beautiful trees and you see the sunset and you see it poking through these trees and you look over at the lake and it's fucking beautiful and you see a fish jump and you're like, wow!
It's hitting you.
It's energy.
And when you live where that is, you're probably a little on the ball.
At the very least, you're inspired by all the stuff being around you, inspired by all this beauty.
I think landscape really plays a bigger part than people give credit.
I mean, you look at some of the hardest, harshest places, and they're dry as fuck, generally.
As far as from a kind of philosophical and religious and kind of an area that's really difficult, some of the Some of the worst kind of ideas.
It's not always the case, but you see a lot in like really challenging environments that are really fucked up.
You get people who are really kind of obstinate in a lot of their ways of thinking.
We're in the really kind of beautiful regions like Nepal versus China.
You know, when you're around that kind of awe-inspiring, it's not that often that you see really crazy, you know, kind of philosophies that come up.
I don't know if it's the people move to that or whether the environment actually itself kind of has some impact on On the psychology of the people who live around it.
And there's also, of course, people that go to areas where there's unbelievable beauty and exploit them.
Europeans, you know, how many people have gone to the jungle and exploited the Amazon, the indigenous people?
How many people have found resources in these strange, beautiful places and just fucked over tribe members?
You know, McKenna was talking about this slaughter in the Amazon where, I forget which country, where they were killing people for rubber.
When they found out about rubber, it was like in the early 20th century.
And they were going in there and giving these people, like you had to have, you had to bring back this amount of rubber every day.
And if you didn't, they would cut that amount of weight that's missing off in human flesh.
So they slaughtered these people.
I mean, they killed thousands and thousands of these people.
At one point in time, they had over 100,000 people in this area, and then they were down to just a couple thousand by the time whoever the fuck rescued them.
However, this was stopped.
I don't recall the entire story, but...
The concept of giving them a quota and then removing that same amount in flesh if they didn't reach that quota.
Cutting people's arms off and doing it in front of everybody to make sure that these people were absolutely terrified to go out.
People are capable of horrible, horrible things.
But my point is that when they're not, when society's stable, when you're not dealing with that sort of evil invader, you know, Mongol invasion type situation, when you're in a place that's beautiful, a lot of times the people there are pretty cool.
Why is that one place, why is looking out over the mountains in Colorado more beautiful than the cedar trees in Texas?
I live in Texas.
I'm never really inspired by the beauty of the Texas fucking hill country.
It's nice.
I like it.
I love Texas.
I love living there.
But it's not the same as when I go to a beautiful beach, or I go to a beautiful mountain, or there's even beautiful desert landscapes that I love.
But it's funny how there's something that just goes and hits the right buttons in the brain and says, this is beautiful.
I know they've studied that with people.
People, it's some form of symmetry and health.
But with nature, it's even kind of more curious.
It's just maybe more like there's a life force or an order to it.
We like order.
Maybe we're part of that creating force, and when we do that, we like to look at things that look like they're ordered and organized by some kind of presence.
Huxley had an idea that these visions that you see in the psychedelic experiences are generally very colorful and vibrant.
He did a lot of cactus medicines like mescaline and things like that.
And so the colors get really intensely vibrant and visual and bright.
And he was saying that we find beautiful those things that mimic what we see in that form of experience.
So like in a DMT trip, the colors are beautiful.
Out of this world or ayahuasca trip.
The colors are so vibrant and beautiful and amazing.
And they come in a lot of these, they actually call it the chrysanthemum, which is named after a flower, because they come in these kaleidoscopic patterns of things that actually do look like a flower.
So I think there may be something to that theory.
Maybe in whatever realm beyond that you're accessing, or whatever nether regions of your mind, if you don't want to go to realm beyond, there's some ideal of what you see there.
And looking at a flower, like a beautiful blue chrysanthemum, reminds you of that, even if It's subliminally and you haven't had a psychedelic experience.
That triggers whatever you know of some way back home or some other realm or some part of your brain that you don't really access often.
When you're confronted with these archetypes that exist in so many different pieces of artwork and you see it right in front of your face, you're just like, whoa.
That's so classic.
It's a classic image.
Like, wow.
It's just, it is exactly what you've seen, you know?
And he said that about gemstones, too, you know, and that's why the fascination with these gemstones.
Why are gemstones so valuable?
Because that's really, back in the ancient days, okay, water kind of reflects, but there wasn't all this glass and shit that we created now, but they would be able to see something in that gemstone, you know, all the facets and the colors and the light.
And it was so beautiful to them because that was something that they could only see in their, you know, these visions or that nether region of the mind.
So flowers, gems, all these things that we prize are actually hearkening back to those, you know, those visions that we have.
And if that is the case, and your brain does produce this stuff, for sure it's endogenous to the human body.
For sure it's produced by the liver and the lungs.
And they're pretty sure, for sure, it's produced by the pineal gland.
And pretty sure that while you're sleeping, that shit's coming out.
So one of the interesting facets about...
A lot of psychedelic trips, especially DMT, is that after it's over, it's very difficult to hang on to.
The memories, like, they drift away and they fade away so quickly.
It's like they're so intense and then when they're over, there's this lost feeling.
And I've been really thinking lately, because of my experiences with alpha brain and isolation tanks, that there might be something to that with psychedelic trips.
Having a psychedelic trip while you're really loaded up with nootropics.
We'd have to figure out what is the optimum blend to give you the most clarity in recalling your experience.
Because just like a dream, DMT disappears.
And so the idea is that when you're asleep, you know, we just accept the fact that we shut off for eight hours a night, if you're lucky, eight hours, and disappear and then wake up and then, oh, I got a crazy dream.
I was on a skateboard and there was a missile coming my way or whatever the fuck your dream is.
That...
That's about as crazy as it ever got.
But that might not be the case.
You might be in full-blown psychedelic dream state at several times during the night where you are just like a DMT trip, just like the most intense mushroom trip with your eyes closed in a dark room, like all those things.
You might be experiencing that on a regular basis.
And one of my reasons for being inclined to think that is that every time I've done DMT, I go, and not even the times now, but the times when I first did it, I go, oh, I've been here.
I know this place.
The very first time I did it, I remember that feeling.
It also seems to know that you're not supposed to be there while you're conscious.
And so it's trying to give you some information while you're there.
It seems like...
I've always felt like when I've done DMT that while it's happening, they're like, What are you doing here?
Oh, look at you.
You're here.
You're here now.
So it's almost like consciousness, like being conscious, being a person who is awake and turning on your television and hitting your keyboard is a mode that you're not supposed to operate that dimension with.
So you're sort of tricking the universe when you introduce that dimension to a conscious mode.
It's like the conscious mode is like, what is the...
How the fuck is this?
Oh, you don't remember.
You don't know.
You don't know.
And then you're like, why do I know this place?
Like, oh, you don't know.
You don't know why you know it.
We love you.
That's one of the things I'll never forget.
I had one really intense experience.
And they're going, we love you 600 million, 500,000 times.
Look at this.
And it kept saying, look at this.
And every time it would say, look at this, it would show me something like insanely crazy, beautiful, impossibly beautiful.
And then the next time, it would be like a million times more beautiful than that.
Like, you thought that was as beautiful as it would get?
Well, we're so ridiculous in our ideas of how the world should be, how rigid scholars and learned people are supposed to be.
We have this idea that if you have knowledge and wisdom and experience and if you're somehow or another quote-unquote enlightened, then you're going to be like bland and flat.
So one of the third experience I did in New Mexico, I came back and my next up on the path after the snuffing the 5-MeO-DMT was a mushroom and Syrian rue trip.
So anyways, I do this anahuasca trip, and I'd never done ayahuasca at that point.
It was my third psychedelic experience.
And this one was completely different.
And in this one, I was very much like some of the ayahuasca stories I told.
I was riding on the back of a cobra.
And this cobra was in the jungle.
And I'm in the fucking desert in Mexico mountains here.
There's no jungle anywhere.
So the fact that I was in a jungle was incredibly odd to me anyways.
But I'm riding on the head of this cobra in the back of a jungle.
And I'm talking with my grandmother, who was somehow imbued in the spirit of this cobra.
And she was still alive, by the way, which is another interesting fact.
But anyway, so she's imbued in the spirit of this cobra and I'm dipping down in the earth and much like the ayahuasca visions, I'm having bugs come inside me and explode.
And meanwhile, I'm laid out on my back and I'm shivering and I'm kind of lifting my chest up.
And I must have looked kind of crazy to the shaman, but she must have been kind of used to it.
As I was sweating profusely and I needed blankets, I was cold and I'm shivering and I'm going through this in this really intense vision.
But all the while, my grandfather, who's Aubrey, my grandfather Aubrey's out on these rocks and, you know, in a whole different environment.
And he's just laughing, like laughing so warmly and like kindly because he's saying, Oh, you're really going through it now.
Oh, she's going to take you down there into the dirt.
And he'd howl with laughter.
And he was so happy and joyous about doing that.
I've never met my grandfather, Aubrey.
He was so happy and joyous about it, that experience, that I started laughing, too, because I thought it was hilarious.
Even though spiders are, like, going into my eyes and exploding and I'm...
Riding on the snake and I have no control.
I'm dipping down into the earth and I'm expelling the sweat and you know Aubrey's just laughing so I'm laughing and it was this whole wild experience but the thing that impressed me the most was just how vibrant and happy it wasn't like you know you see these mediums and it's all so somber and serious Aubrey says to say You know, good luck in your next algebra test, or I don't know what the fuck it was, but he was just happy as shit, you know?
And that was the kind of experience that I tend to find when I encounter these entities, but either family or these other things.
That psilocybin, the active ingredient in magic mushrooms, after being ingested, the body removes phosphorus atoms from the psilocybin, converting it to psilicin.
Psilicin differs from dimethyltryptamine, DMT, by one oxygen.
That psilocybin, psilicin, he likes to think of it as orally active DMT. That's Rick Strassman's take on it.
When they first found it, they wanted to call it telepathine.
But they couldn't because they didn't realize that when they discovered it by use of the ayahuasca shaman, they didn't understand that it had already been discovered.
That the chemical component of it already had a name.
So they couldn't call it telepathine.
But that was what they were inclined to call it.
Because these people were tripping their balls out and having these fucking telepathic experiences.
And you can only imagine how many cool ways and places and the knowledge that was out there.
I mean, I'm very fortunate I was able to go with someone who'd been doing this, leading people on these journeys for 20 years, you know, and had experience, knew kind of the properties of what to do, knew what to mix, knew the amounts to do it.
And so I could just really trust.
But it gets sketchy if you're trying to figure this stuff out.
That's why I always recommend people go with a guide or someone who knows what to do.
And those are sometimes hard to find.
And that's why the only thing I recommend now is going to some places where I've been in Peru to do ayahuasca so I can trust the The shaman, the person, the maestro leading the ceremony.
I can trust the medicine.
Because there's a lot of iffy stuff, and that's another byproduct of making it illegal.
It's because you're forced to make some challenging choices, both risking legality, which sucks.
You don't want to wind up in a fucking cage.
Or you're forced to deal with something that you don't know the exact properties of, or you don't know what you're getting into.
Yeah, and if you're a person who has a job that you like, you want to keep that job, you know, you don't want to be fired, you want to be outcast, you want to make sure you make your mortgage, you want to keep feeding your family, and then they're going to piss test you.
Oh, God.
That's what's really crazy.
It's like, you could smoke pot on Friday night when you get home from work, and if they piss test you on Monday, you're stone cold sober.
You're showing up for work, clear-headed, cup of coffee, newspaper in your arm.
They're like, Bob, we'd like to see you pee into this cup, please.
You shouldn't be able to be president unless you've done mushrooms at least once.
You shouldn't even be allowed to.
And you should have a videotape of you doing mushrooms so we could prove it.
Like, this is the mushrooms.
It should be like, I need to know you did a big dose.
More than four grams.
I want to see you get fucking blown out in the center of the universe and then crawl back home.
You know?
Like, really.
That's what I want to see.
And if you've never done that, man, we're having some weird conversation here.
Because everybody who has done that agrees.
Except Redman, but you can't trust that guy.
He doesn't think it does anything, but that's him.
But everybody else that I know that has had a blown-out, breakthrough, psychedelic experience, they believe that it changes lives.
They believe that it enhances your personality, gives you a new perspective, gives you a new way to look at the world, and is probably hugely beneficial to your growth as a human being.
But the people that don't, they're the ones who judge it.
The people that haven't had that experience, they're the ones who come out against it.
Which is so crazy.
It's like blind people getting pissed that you're looking at things.
It's like, what are you doing?
You're looking at shit?
No, no, no, no, no.
I don't trust what you're seeing.
It's right fucking in front of you, man.
The lake's right there.
Says who?
Says you?
You crazy person using your eyes?
That's really what it's almost like.
Someone who hasn't had a psychedelic experience trying to tell you that it's bad for you or that you shouldn't do it.
It's like, are you sure?
Okay, because I'm okay.
Not only am I okay, but I'm pretty sure I wouldn't be this guy if it wasn't for those experiences.
And you're a silly bitch, and you're telling me what to do based on nonsense.
There's so many forces that are pushing us away from being conscious and away from being awake.
That whole little mini rant you did about what goes through your daily life, from the phones to the honks to the work to...
All of this stuff.
It's not like it was back in the old days.
Back in the old days, maybe you could walk your bare feet on the ground and you were pretty connected and you didn't need to take these massive psychedelic trips, although they probably did and fucking loved it all throughout all cultures.
But that's besides the point.
It wasn't maybe as necessary.
But now in this crazy, weird world, it's so much easier to get off track.
And you look on TV and it's really frustrating.
I get really physically antsy and frustrated when I Go somewhere and they have like real housewives on TV because it's like so visible the unconsciousness that's going on and this drama that's all nonsensically ego based and all of this shit that's being kind of pushed out and it's filtering through our consciousness and then you know to ban the only thing that can really well not the only thing but one of the most powerful tools to realign you it's just a it's a recipe for fucking disaster And it's where we
But the Bieber thing, this kid is experiencing not just a level of fame that most human beings will never experience.
Almost all human beings will never experience.
99.9% of famous people will never experience the level of fame that Justin Bieber is on.
Not only that, he's doing it in the craziest time ever to be famous.
An era where there is just constant 24-hour images coming in of everything you do.
Every time he drives fast, every time he smokes pot, every time he gets pulled over, every time he gets arrested, every time something crazy happens, and he's clearly out of control.
He's 19. He's got a half a fucking billion dollars in his pocket.
And he's just running around like a maniac with the Willy Wonka golden ticket.
What would anybody expect this kid to do differently?
You know, even Alexander the Great, he was not perfect in any way, but he had fucking Aristotle, which was one of the greatest minds in the universe, as his mentor, you know, to kind of keep that guy in check, because he conquered the fucking known world at 25 times.
You know, he had that Justin Bieber-esque kind of power.
Yeah, because he could do whatever, but he's not going down as Genghis, one of these terrible people.
Yeah, I'm sure he wasn't fucking perfect, but he had, you know, he did some sensible acts Because maybe he had, like, one of the greatest mentors of all time.
And sometimes that fails.
Obviously, Seneca wasn't very successful with Nero.
That thing fucking went straight into the fucking dirt and didn't really work.
But I just feel like if someone with some real sense and some good psychedelics could get to him, he could be a fucking powerful force for good.
8% of all the males living in the regions of the former Mongolian Empire carried a nearly identical Y chromosome, suggesting that they were all direct descendants of Genghis Khan.
I mean, some bad motherfuckers really collected some of the coolest people in the universe are coming, attaching to this momentum and creating this wave.
You know, you're a part of all these things that we show on the podcast, these things about weed laws being legalized.
I mean, you're a nugget of consciousness, so many of you that are pushing this forward.
And that's what we need.
You know, we'll move the needle.
You know, as soon as the people move the needles themselves, telling your friends and spreading the word and talking openly and being cool.
But the positive resonance is as much responsible for these thoughts as anything, because it's reinforcing it.
I mean, a podcast, much like stand-up comedy, it's an art form that is meaningless without an audience.
Without an audience, it would just be my edification.
It would just be these conversations, which I really appreciate, that I could sit down.
With so many cool people like you or like Cameron Haynes or like, you know, fill in the blank, you know, Graham Hancock, Dr. Amit Goswami, all these really cool people that I've been able to sit down and talk to, that would just be for myself, you know?
I would have never been able to pull it off, though.
I wouldn't be able to say, hey, could you sit down and talk with me for three hours?
They'd be like, what the fuck am I... I got...
Dude, I don't even know you, man.
You know, but because I'm going to say, oh, but everybody else can listen.
They go...
Oh, everybody can listen?
Yeah, yeah, everybody.
The whole world.
Millions of people.
They're like, alright, alright, let's talk.
And then they'll sit down and they'll talk to you.
It's a very cool thing.
So, for me, you know, people say thank you for the podcast.
It's been so beneficial.
It's changed my life.
It's changed my life, too.
It's been hugely beneficial for me because it's given me this vehicle for exploring these ideas.
It's giving me this ability to tap into a million different paths, different information that's coming at me all the time, different points of view from people that I deeply respect and I don't think the way they think and I get to see the way they think and I go, huh, okay, you know?
Even people I don't agree with.
People I do agree with.
A lot of times people go, you don't fucking call people on their bullshit.
Sometimes I don't call people on their bullshit.
Sometimes I do.
But one of the reasons why I don't sometimes is because I want to hear what they're thinking.
Instead of constantly judging everything that comes out of people's mouths, which I do a lot, what I like to do sometimes is I like to let it play out.
I like to hear the full version of it.
And then consider it.
Or not consider it.
You know, there's a million different ways to view this life.
And there's millions of different eyes to see these things through.
And I'm different from you.
You're different from me.
And together, we sort of collectively get a middle.
We get sort of collectively, we get an idea of like, well, there's a lot of fucking...
It might be...
We'll help each other.
The only way we're going to ever really get a grip on what the fuck reality itself is, is if we all share our...