Feb. 7, 2014 - The Joe Rogan Experience
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| You forgot the volume, you fuck. | ||
| You fucked it up. | ||
| At least it's not live. | ||
| Oh, the computer did it. | ||
| At least it's not live, yeah. | ||
| Do you know how to do it, or are we done? | ||
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| Yeah. | ||
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It wouldn't be the same if everything came out smooth. | |
| Well, Cameron, first of all, thanks for doing this podcast. | ||
| For people who don't know Cameron, Cameron Haynes is a famous bow hunter, which is a rare thing. | ||
| It's very rare that someone becomes famous as a bow hunter. | ||
| And in the most manly form of bow hunting ever, you're famous for shooting the biggest, most majestic North American animals with sticks. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| I mean, that's what you're famous for. | ||
| You're famous for taking out giant bugling elk with a flying stick. | ||
| That's pretty badass, dude. | ||
| I wouldn't say famous. | ||
| You're famous to me. | ||
| You're famous. | ||
| I told a friend of mine who's a hunting fan, he's a personal trainer, and I said I'm doing this podcast with Cameron Haynes. | ||
| He goes, oh, that's that keep hammering guy. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| So, dude. | ||
| Okay, one other guy. | ||
| You and one other guy. | ||
| You are famous amongst hunters. | ||
| Jared knows me, yeah. | ||
| So there's three. | ||
| I brought you up to my friend Ryan Callahan, who works at First Light, and he said, oh yeah, I know who that guy is, yeah. | ||
| So people know who you are, man. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| You have become, at least, can I say you have notoriety? | ||
| Yeah, I'd say that. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So notoriety from killing elk with flying sticks. | ||
| That's it, yeah. | ||
| How does one go about becoming famous, or at least develop internet notoriety, from killing elk with flying sticks? | ||
| Um, you know, I think for me, it's just, I don't know, I just came up just like everybody else. | ||
| So it's like, so what I've done is Kind of gives other people that didn't have any breaks or just regular guys hope to chase their dreams. | ||
| I really think that's it. | ||
| I think that's why people like me. | ||
| Well, I'll tell you how I found out about you. | ||
| I watched a lot of videos on YouTube, online, whether it's videos about anything that I find interesting. | ||
| And I saw this video of this guy carrying rocks in his backpack going up hills training for elk hunting. | ||
| And I was like, what? | ||
| What is that? | ||
| And I thought about it. | ||
| I was like, that actually is a pretty smart move. | ||
| I've never heard of anybody training for hunting. | ||
| I went hunting when I shot that mule deer with Steve Rinella. | ||
| That was the first time I ever went hunting. | ||
| And I was amazed at how tired I was. | ||
| I was like, this is ridiculous. | ||
| Like, I thought I was in really good shape. | ||
| But when you're climbing up those muddy hills and the Missouri breaks and everything's like sloshing and it's, you know, these steep hills and, you know, you're doing it for six hours in a row, like, man, you get exhausted. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Your legs get rubber, your lungs are burning. | ||
| I was like, I can't believe this. | ||
| I was thinking, I need to work out for hunting. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But I never heard of anybody doing that before until I saw you. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Well... | ||
| Like elk hunting, you can get up at sometimes 5 in the morning to get to where maybe you put some elk to bed the night before and walk so an hour before daylight, then you're hunting all day, and then you get back to camp after dark, maybe at 8 or 9 o'clock. | ||
| That's a long day. | ||
| That's a long day. | ||
| People aren't used to doing that. | ||
| I mean, how often do you work out for 15 hours a day? | ||
| Not only that, if you shoot an elk, then you have to take that elk back and you have to figure out how to carry it through the mountains. | ||
| That's where it gets really crazy. | ||
| What's the biggest elk you've ever shot? | ||
| It was probably a Roosevelt bull I killed in Oregon in 2010, and we're figuring it weighed about 1,200 pounds. | ||
| It was 12 or 13 years old. | ||
| That's a big animal! | ||
| Oh, it's huge. | ||
| How long did it take you to carry 1,200 pounds? | ||
| I mean, that's on the bone. | ||
| So once you quarter it and skin it... | ||
| Take the head off of it and the antlers. | ||
| How much is it, how much are you carrying out? | ||
| About 500 pounds. | ||
| You know, we had it quartered up and then with the hide because I wanted to get it mounted and the head and all that. | ||
| So we had to carry about 500 pounds, but I had a few guys with me. | ||
| So, you know, made it a little easier. | ||
| Yeah, I guess. | ||
| You have to bring like a pack crew. | ||
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| Yeah, no, they're big animals and that's just, that's part of it. | ||
| But that's, When you can go into the mountains where an elk lives every day and, like you said, with a sharp stick, take it out, harvest it, so you're on its home court, and then bring it back to your truck and back to your freezer, that's a powerful experience. | ||
| The whole thing is hard. | ||
| Everything about it is hard. | ||
| But to be able to do that, it's given me confidence to know that... | ||
| Whatever everyday life, I can achieve things, you know, because that's about as tough as it gets for me. | ||
| Yeah, I've always said that adversity is a very important thing for human beings because if you don't go through adversity, you never know that you can. | ||
| There's always going to be questions, and every time you do go through adversity, it sort of adds on to your ability and your confidence in all walks of life. | ||
| It's like this tattoo that I have is Miyamoto Musashi, the guy who wrote The Book of Five Rings. | ||
| And when I was a kid and I was a... | ||
| Competing in martial arts tournaments. | ||
| I read the Book of Five Rings and I remember this one quote. | ||
| Once you understand the way broadly, you can see it in all things. | ||
| And once you've gone through the kind of adversity that you must go through to, you know, hike nine miles into a mountain, shoot an elk, and then bring that giant beast back and then cook it, like, that is a, that is, you will develop confidence and you'll develop a sense of accomplishment that's very difficult to recreate. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And that's, to do that, I know how difficult that is. | ||
| And so in training, I try to simulate that as much as possible. | ||
| I mean, that's where the The carrying the 130-pound rock up the hill or, you know, for training I've run 100-mile ultra-marathons, you know, that type of thing. | ||
| Basically, I just want to simulate that misery because I want to know what being miserable feels like. | ||
| If you don't ever know, you never know how you're going to react. | ||
| Some people might fold up, quit, but so I try to get there as often as possible. | ||
| How did you, why did you decide a rock? | ||
| Why not, like, weights? | ||
| Well, you can measure weights. | ||
| Did you try to just go with the rock because it's even more primal? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I just, I had been seeing this rock, you know, I run this mountain all the time, so I've been seeing this rock and I was like, man, I need to get that rock to the top of the hill. | ||
| And so I did this seminar at Cabela's and I said, hey, anybody who wants to come up, I'm going to go run the mountain because everybody knows I run this mountain. | ||
| So they came in for the Cabela's seminar. | ||
| And I told him, I said, if you run the mountain, I'll give you a free DVD. I just like to work out with people. | ||
| I like to see people sacrificing. | ||
| So I said, I'm going to carry this rock up and we can all go do it. | ||
| And I figured, I mean, the rock, I figured it was about 70 pounds. | ||
| I had no idea. | ||
| So I get up there, I have this empty pack and I have everybody there. | ||
| And I'm like, all right, just hang on for a second. | ||
| I'm just going to throw this rock on my pack. | ||
| And I lift, the first time I'd ever touched it. | ||
| And I was like... | ||
| Wow, this is more than 70 pounds. | ||
| And so I ended up getting it up to the top and then we tried to take pictures. | ||
| I couldn't even lift that thing over my head because a rock is just weird to lift. | ||
| And so I ended up taking it down off the mountain. | ||
| I'm like, obviously it's more than 70. I want to figure out how much it is. | ||
| So it was 130 pounds. | ||
| But it was just kind of on a whim, I guess, is how that came about. | ||
| Now it's just my rock. | ||
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| Now it's your workout rock. | ||
| It is, yeah. | ||
| Now, are you allowed to just pull rocks out of the forest? | ||
| Is there any regulations about that? | ||
| I may have poached that rock. | ||
| No, it's still there. | ||
| I just carry it up and down. | ||
| I never take it. | ||
| I took it to the gym to weigh it, but it's back. | ||
| It's up on the mountain right now. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| So what would you do if you came there and you saw somebody else throw that rock in their backpack? | ||
| You're like, hey, man. | ||
| No, nobody's going to do it. | ||
| Somebody did, I think they had seen the rock talked about. | ||
| And I said, hey, people question everything for whatever reason. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And so they say, oh, that's not 130 pounds. | ||
| I'm like, okay, well, here it is. | ||
| Go pack it to wherever you want and weigh it. | ||
| So somebody did move it like 20 yards. | ||
| And I did notice that. | ||
| But other than that, it just kind of sits wherever I leave it. | ||
| Well, if it's heavy enough, that's good that nobody will steal it. | ||
| Or most people won't steal it, I should say. | ||
| I don't think they're going to steal it. | ||
| Now, when you take that rock up to the top of the mountain, how often do you do this? | ||
| I do it about once a week. | ||
| Once a week? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's kind of... | ||
| Wow. | ||
| I mix it up and that's my once a week type, something different. | ||
| Other than that, I usually just run the mountain. | ||
| So once a week, once every seven days, you carry that... | ||
| How far are you carrying it? | ||
| It's a mile and a half. | ||
| Jesus. | ||
| Oh. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That hurts my lower back just thinking about it. | ||
| Yeah, me too. | ||
| Oh. | ||
| Is there any danger of doing... | ||
| That's like some serious weight that you're carrying on your back like that. | ||
| It's an awkward way to carry weight. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And to do it like once a week. | ||
| Yeah, I... I try to think I'm bulletproof, but I've found out that I'm not. | ||
| And so, yeah. | ||
| And that's a, yeah, that's the trail right there. | ||
| So, up the hill with the rock. | ||
| That's some serious work. | ||
| Like, the amount of actual physical kinetic work that you have to do to go up a hill with a 130-pound rock on your back like that. | ||
| Like, man, that's got to get you in some insane shape. | ||
| Oh, it helps. | ||
| You know, I mean... | ||
| It's just, everything helps, mixing it up. | ||
| I do a lot of different things, but that's just one of them. | ||
| Now, was this something that you had always done, and then when you got into hunting, you just sort of ramped it up, or did you, like, really get into fitness once you became a hunter? | ||
| That's another shirt I have, you know, ramp it up. | ||
| Oh, really? | ||
| Is it really? | ||
| Yeah, it is. | ||
| Oh, no kidding. | ||
| But, uh, no, let's see. | ||
| So, I started bow hunting, I was, um, just a teenager, and, uh, It was, I ended up killing a spiked bow elk my very first year. | ||
| I think it was 18 or 19. And that was, you know, to kill a bull with a bow where I came from a real small town. | ||
| I mean, 20 some kids in my graduating class. | ||
| And so a lot of people hunted, but to kill a bull with a bow was like special. | ||
| And so I got attention for that. | ||
| I was like, this is some positive reinforcement. | ||
| And I'm like, you know, this is after high school, after the high school sports and all that. | ||
| And trying to find my way, trying to figure out what the heck I was going to do. | ||
| And so I liked hunting. | ||
| I liked the challenge of it. | ||
| I got some positive reinforcement from it. | ||
| So I'm like, hey, this is pretty cool because I didn't hardly know anybody who'd killed a bull with a bow back then. | ||
| And so I was successful. | ||
| But from there, I just wanted more, wanted more of a challenge. | ||
| And then, you know, I started going into the wilderness and to the Oregon's biggest wilderness, Eagle Cap Wilderness. | ||
| It's 375,000 acres. | ||
| And so you can get back in there away from people. | ||
| And I thought, well, now I want to go to the middle of this wilderness because that would be even more badass. | ||
| And if I could kill a bull back there, man, that would be the ultimate. | ||
| From there, I realized how the physical part of bow hunting was more important. | ||
| It was kind of a progression. | ||
| I've always ran 10Ks and different things like that, but I figured, man, you can't be in too good a shape to challenge that country. | ||
| I haven't reached my limit. | ||
| I'm trying to become what I always say is the ultimate predator. | ||
| So it becomes... | ||
| It's a part of your whole psyche. | ||
| It becomes a part of what you're doing with your life. | ||
| The challenge of it becomes almost as important as what you're doing itself. | ||
| You're not just going out and getting an elk for meat, which I'm sure you enjoy elk meat, but it's almost sort of like a spiritual quest. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| You know, the most powerful moments I've had have been in the mountains, in the wilderness, after killing a bull. | ||
| Because everything that goes into it, you know, it's not just the fact that I killed an animal. | ||
| It's how much I respect the animal, how tough the country is, all the training. | ||
| It's just accumulation of all that work and all that investment of emotion and everything else. | ||
| And so that's, yeah, it is... | ||
| It's spiritual. | ||
| I mean, by yourself back there is as raw as it gets. | ||
| It's tough. | ||
| And eating the animal that you've killed, I just started hunting. | ||
| I've only been hunting a little over a year, year and a half. | ||
| And for me, the most delicious meals, the most satisfying meals I've ever had is venison that I've killed myself. | ||
| There's something... | ||
| Something intimate about it, I guess. | ||
| You're much more attached to what you're eating. | ||
| And, you know, I've never killed anything with a bow, much less a 1,200-pound bull elk with a bow in the middle of the woods. | ||
| I mean, that's got to ramp it up another notch. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| It's amazing. | ||
| Because if you're shooting something with a rifle, you know, I shot that mule deer from 200 yards away. | ||
| That's pretty far. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, you're shooting these animals 30, 40 yards away from you, and they're huge. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| No, they're... | ||
| I mean, they don't commit suicide. | ||
| They are, you know, they're used to lions. | ||
| They're used to being hunted. | ||
| So to get into bow range, you know, in their red zone, so to speak, you know, that 30 to 40 yards, that's difficult. | ||
| They're dialed in. | ||
| They're used to being hunted every single day. | ||
| I mean, they're never turned off. | ||
| And so, yeah, it's tough. | ||
| And then you have just basically a sharp stick, you know, one arrow. | ||
| You've got the arrows laying over there, and it's just... | ||
| It's amazing how lethal... | ||
| With a razor-sharp broadhead, an arrow can be. | ||
| And I've seen, you know, there's videos of huge bulls I've killed dropping in seconds just from that, you know, quicker even than maybe a rifle would kill them. | ||
| And that's... | ||
| You know, that's pretty amazing. | ||
| That is pretty amazing. | ||
| Well, one of the things about you is because of all your training, because of all this lifting and exercise that you do, you shoot a really heavy bow. | ||
| You shoot a 90-pound compound bow, which for folks who don't know, like a lot of people, they'll tell you, like, you don't need to shoot anything more than 60. But 90, I've never even heard of anybody shooting a 90. I never even pulled one until I pulled yours. | ||
| I mean, that's ridiculously... | ||
| I mean, that's pretty stout. | ||
| So you're sort of like adding to this whole reason why you're exercising and all this fitness and getting really strong and in really great shape. | ||
| You kind of have to be in great shape just to use the very weapon that you use to take these animals out. | ||
| Yeah, well, and it's true. | ||
| You don't necessarily have to shoot 90 pounds. | ||
| I mean, people do kill. | ||
| There's women out there bow hunting who are very successful with a 50 pound bow. | ||
| It's true. | ||
| You can do it. | ||
| But, you know, I want to shoot 90. What I want on an animal is I want two holes. | ||
| I want that arrow blowing through so I have two holes spilling blood and that's how I'm going to recover the animal. | ||
| You know, an arrow kills from hemorrhage, so not from shock like a rifle would. | ||
| So to get that hemorrhage, whereas a 50-pound bow might go in halfway and it might get into the lungs and it might kill it. | ||
| You know, you might get 12 inches of penetration. | ||
| If I go clear through that bowl and it's, you know, maybe 24 inches across, well, there's a 24-inch wound as opposed to a 12-inch wound. | ||
| And again, we're killing by hemorrhage. | ||
| And so it's just going to be that much more lethal in my mind. | ||
| And then if I'm blowing through ribs or through a shoulder or it's quartering way hard, so I have to go through maybe 30 inches of mass, I'm going to be able to do that. | ||
| It's not necessary, so to speak, but it's what I'm comfortable with and I think it makes me that more lethal of a bowhunter. | ||
| How many other dudes are shooting 90 pounds? | ||
| I'm not sure. | ||
| Is there anybody? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Yeah, I'm sure. | ||
| Probably one or two? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I'm sure there's some. | ||
| Well, I just pulled it back, and I was thinking, when I was pulling it back, I was like, imagine pulling this thing back if you just climbed up the top of a mountain, and you're absolutely exhausted, and then you have this one opportunity. | ||
| Have you ever had that happen, where you're really exhausted to work to get to where the elk is, and then you're so tired you have a hard time pulling the ball? | ||
| No. | ||
| No? | ||
| No. | ||
| That's because you train hard. | ||
| Right, yeah. | ||
| No, that's never been an issue. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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| But it's because you prepare. | ||
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| For the average person, I mean, 90 pounds, it's really difficult to lift. | ||
| I mean, you're essentially, you're using two hands, sort of, but a bulk of the work has got to be in your right arm, right? | ||
| Yeah, I mean, it's difficult. | ||
| You know, where I think would be more difficult is if you're sitting in a tree stand for hours, freezing, and then a buck walks by and you have a 90-pound bow, that would be hard. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That would be, because you're not warmed up, you're not, you know, active. | ||
| So that could be difficult, but... | ||
| I did use, I had that bow for a late season hunt back home and it was cold. | ||
| It was like seven degrees and I'd been up there for hours and I'm just like, okay, this is going to be a test now if I can pull this back and I was able to. | ||
| Well, it's just because you trained so hard. | ||
| Yeah, no, I mean, yeah, if I didn't do what I do every day, there's no way. | ||
| That's great. | ||
| How many other guys are doing that? | ||
| How many other guys are in shape and treating this almost like a sport? | ||
| There's more. | ||
| There's more doing it now, especially guys out west. | ||
| I get emails from Georgia, from people. | ||
| What I found is that, like you talked about earlier, it kind of gives your life purpose. | ||
| Everybody has a job, people have families, everything else, and they just kind of They need to find something that can define them or motivate them. | ||
| And now all of a sudden training for hunting is something. | ||
| You know, before that was, you know, nobody ever did it. | ||
| So now maybe that is what's making a difference in their life. | ||
| And so, you know, and I still get people who, they don't like it. | ||
| They don't like feeling like they have to train to hunt. | ||
| And so I get criticized a lot for my approach also. | ||
| What do they say? | ||
| Oh, what are you doing? | ||
| Getting in shape? | ||
| What are you doing? | ||
| Getting strong and healthy? | ||
| Asshole? | ||
| What kind of criticisms did they come up with? | ||
| I would love to hear those. | ||
| I don't know if it's funny. | ||
| It's been irritating, but I just kind of blow it off. | ||
| Has it actually irritated you? | ||
| Yeah, a little bit. | ||
| You've got to get tougher. | ||
| You gotta work on that aspect of your training. | ||
| Okay, I do, definitely. | ||
| But they'll say stuff like, oh, Cameron says you have to be able to run a marathon to kill an elk. | ||
| Which is, I've never said that. | ||
| I do that, but you don't have to. | ||
| Or, you know, I saw something the other day that says, oh, you know, my approach is what's wrong with hunting today. | ||
| It's like... | ||
| Whoa, being healthy and strong? | ||
| Yes, I don't know. | ||
| Not eating sugar, not drinking alcohol, eating healthy foods and working out. | ||
| Yeah, you're what's wrong with the world, man. | ||
| Basically, all these healthy fuckers out there ruining it for everybody else. | ||
| I know. | ||
| All these fat guys like to sit in tree stands and blow farts. | ||
| They're upset. | ||
| Guys like you are out there doing something exciting. | ||
| I guess. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| So anyway, I do get criticized just because... | ||
| You know, hunting for some people is kind of just a getaway, and there's nothing wrong with that. | ||
| It's a vacation. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| It's not something you want to gear your life around, and that's okay. | ||
| I get that. | ||
| You don't have to train every day if all you're looking for is just to get away and relax. | ||
| There's nothing wrong with that in any endeavor, whether it's a game or a sport or even martial arts. | ||
| I mean, there's nothing wrong with Taking a martial art class once a week just for exercise. | ||
| My friend Joey Diaz, he's big, he's overweight, he takes jiu-jitsu all the time. | ||
| He's not trying to get his black belt, he just wants to get his blood pumping, get a little workout in there. | ||
| There's nothing wrong with that. | ||
| And then I have another friend who's He's beaten world champions. | ||
| My friend Eddie is a black belt and one of the best in the world. | ||
| Both approaches are okay. | ||
| It's okay to be obsessed with something and pursue excellence, and it's okay to just enjoy it as a pastime. | ||
| The problem is that the people that enjoy it as a pastime, they're always going to get this little nagging thing in the back of their head, for some of them, especially the weak ones. | ||
| That they realize that you do it better than them. | ||
| Or they realize that if they went hunting with you, they couldn't keep up. | ||
| Or they realize if they ran with you, they can't keep up. | ||
| Or if they realize they tried to lift with you, they couldn't lift as much. | ||
| So they're like crabs in a bucket. | ||
| You know what crabs in a bucket are like? | ||
| No. | ||
| If you have a bunch of crabs in a bucket, one crab tries to get out of the bucket, and the other crabs grab them and pull them down. | ||
| Gotcha. | ||
| And that's what always happens. | ||
| I guess. | ||
| That's the number one problem with the world, is crabs in a bucket. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The number one problem with this world is people, instead of being inspired, they look to criticize. | ||
| People, instead of looking at someone who works hard and does something amazing, And looking at their own life, they find fault or they find weakness or they find themselves not to add up, not to measure up. | ||
| And so they get upset. | ||
| And instead of finding that inspirational and say, you know what? | ||
| I do have a belly. | ||
| I do need to get to the gym. | ||
| You know what? | ||
| I do drink too much. | ||
| I got to stop doing that. | ||
| Instead of that, they just start shitting on this one thing that causes them to feel insecure. | ||
| Not even realizing that that one thing has the potential to empower them. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Now, I don't know if I mean, it could be what's going on. | ||
| It's 100%. | ||
| Those fat fucks. | ||
| It's 100% what's going on. | ||
| It's 100%, man. | ||
| I know it because I've felt those feelings. | ||
| I've felt insecurity. | ||
| I've felt jealousy. | ||
| I've felt all that, especially as a young man before I... Figured out how to train my mind and how to embrace someone who's better than me and embrace someone who inspires me and look for it amongst my peers, look for it even amongst my enemies. | ||
| I try to be inspired by people I don't even like. | ||
| If I find someone that I think is someone who's a bad comedian, who's a joke thief, but they work hard, I try to take that aspect of them that works hard And only concentrate on that and find inspiration in it. | ||
| Because then they become valuable to me. | ||
| Then I can see the negative aspect of their behavior and that becomes valuable to me because I realize it reinforces what's bad. | ||
| But then the good aspects of it, whatever it is, you could find something in someone that you don't even like. | ||
| You could find something that they do that can inspire you. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And I get mostly all positive and People inspire me. | ||
| They say that I've helped or motivate them and this and that. | ||
| That inspires me also. | ||
| It holds me accountable. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Because now I've created this thing, and it's what I love, but it also holds me accountable. | ||
| Like, hey, I got to keep it up for the people. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| 99% of what I get is positive. | ||
| But it seems like you remember the 1%. | ||
| You gotta train yourself to not do that. | ||
| That's mental training. | ||
| I hear you. | ||
| Mental training as well as physical training. | ||
| Believe me, man. | ||
| I've gone through it. | ||
| And what I say is it's like snake bite venom. | ||
| Like when a snake bites you, if a snake bites you for the first time, I mean, you're fucked. | ||
| You're sick. | ||
| You gotta go to the hospital. | ||
| You gotta get anti-venom. | ||
| You're in a lot of trouble. | ||
| But if you just get a little bit of venom... | ||
| A little bit of venom every day over time. | ||
| After a while, the snake bites you and you're like, bitch, get out of here. | ||
| That shit ain't gonna work on me. | ||
| You develop the ability to understand what it is. | ||
| I feel sorry for people when I just see ridiculous criticism. | ||
| I laugh. | ||
| Someone will come into my office sometimes. | ||
| My wife's like, what are you laughing at? | ||
| I'm like, some guy's making fun of me. | ||
| It's just hilarious. | ||
| Reading what they say about me makes me laugh. | ||
| If I really thought they were right, it would bother me. | ||
| But if I If I have done what I need to do and I've done all the work and I've assessed myself and I'm objective, then I can find folly in their weakness. | ||
| Right, yeah. | ||
| But you're an inspirational dude, for sure, because you inspired me. | ||
| I saw some of your videos. | ||
| I said, I like a guy who's going for things. | ||
| I like a guy who's... | ||
| It's not easy to run an ultramarathon. | ||
| It's not easy to take a 130-pound rock, put it in a pack, and walk up to the top of the hill. | ||
| When I see people doing stuff like that, I get like this... | ||
| It ramps up inside me, and I want to go work out. | ||
| I want to go do something. | ||
| I want to get shit done. | ||
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| I think people like you are really important. | ||
| The type of people that do things like that, they provide energy for countless other people, whether you're aware of it or not. | ||
| I know that you did to me, so I know that I'm not unique in that. | ||
| I know that other people who watch your videos feel the same way. | ||
| They get excited about it. | ||
| And you cause motion. | ||
| You cause effort. | ||
| Because of what you've done, you get people excited and that inspiration actually causes things to take place. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, thanks. | ||
| This is, you know, it's what I love to do. | ||
| And it's just preparing for crunch time, basically. | ||
| Getting out there and preparing to be the ultimate predator. | ||
| Not fail when all the... | ||
| You know, like when we're filming for a TV show... | ||
| There's a lot of pressure. | ||
| These hunts can be expensive. | ||
| You're traveling a long way, away from your family. | ||
| There's a lot at stake. | ||
| There's a guy with you who's being paid. | ||
| There's a big investment. | ||
| So I don't want to fail when it comes down to that moment. | ||
| Not only for me, but for other people who sacrifice. | ||
| So that's basically what the work's about. | ||
| And I think it's cool, too, that you feel that people are inspired by these things, and it actually, like, motivates you to ramp it up another notch, to keep it going even further. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| No, I haven't hit my ceiling, you know? | ||
| Trying to get better every day. | ||
| Just such a badass, manly approach to life. | ||
| Elk hunting with a bow and being an expert at that. | ||
| Do you have a regular job? | ||
| Yep. | ||
| What's your regular job? | ||
| I'm supposed to be at work right now, actually. | ||
| Oh, really? | ||
| You got off? | ||
| You got a good boss. | ||
| No, they think I'm sick. | ||
| Oh, really? | ||
| No. | ||
| They're going to find out. | ||
| This is a bad move, then. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| Yeah, I'm a buyer for the local water and power company back home. | ||
| So I've done that for 18 years. | ||
| So you do that 40 hours a week? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And so how do you find the time to do all this other stuff? | ||
| Just make it happen. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Yeah, it's just what I do. | ||
| You know how it goes. | ||
| I'm sure you've been there before where if I don't get my workout in or if I don't do it, I'm just in a bad mood. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| So we just make time to make it happen and it's just what I do. | ||
| The other part about working out about the bad mood part is that your body sort of develops this habit of pumping out energy. | ||
| When you get in shape and you get your body really fit and you get your body used to exerting these big explosive bursts of energy like lifting or jujitsu or whatever it is, your body sort of ramps up for that And then it's like, hey, where's my release? | ||
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| You know, like, hey, we're ready to go. | ||
| Hey, we're ready to go. | ||
| Why are we in the fucking office, man? | ||
| What's going on here? | ||
| We're going to kill something. | ||
| I'm going to shoot a bow at somebody. | ||
| What's going on? | ||
| Why can't I lift weights? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Hey, hey, this is kind of crazy. | ||
| And you don't have that release. | ||
| And I think our bodies are probably designed for a certain amount of that, being that we were... | ||
| You know, for who knows how many thousands of years we were hunter-gatherers and we essentially share the same DNA as those human beings that lived 30, 40,000 years ago. | ||
| There's not much of a difference between us and them. | ||
| There's got to be a lot of the old reward, the reward mechanisms of life, like still in our DNA. | ||
| And I think that people who don't exercise those reward mechanisms, you're missing out on a lot of what it is to be a person, a lot of what it is to be like excited by life. | ||
| It's there's something like pretty intense about just fulfilling those reward mechanisms. | ||
| And I think hunting is one of those that I didn't realize until I started hunting. | ||
| I really didn't realize like what an intense connection. | ||
| You're like your mind. | ||
| I want to say your spirit, but that's a word that's been hijacked by so many shitheads wearing crystals around their neck. | ||
| But it seems like there's something in you that opens up this weird path that like, oh, you didn't even know this was there. | ||
| This predator path, this path of connection to the animals, connection to the wild world, going out there and getting an animal and eating it. | ||
| And I don't even mean it in like a macho, like, look how cool I am way. | ||
| I really mean it in a spiritual way. | ||
| There's this weird spiritual connection you have to the Mother Earth when it provides for you, to the animals of the wild itself when you go out and you get one and then you use it for sustenance. | ||
| Yeah, no, and that's... | ||
| People who think it's just about getting meat, like I heard, I think you were talking with John Hackleman. | ||
| He didn't really understand hunting at all. | ||
| But they think it's akin to going to the store and buying a steak. | ||
| It couldn't be further from the truth. | ||
| It's the exact opposite of that, really. | ||
| Yeah, you're getting meat, and yeah, you're eating it. | ||
| But it's a connection. | ||
| It's everything else that it's all about. | ||
| That's where the power comes from. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Man, without that, I don't know. | ||
| I mean, that's everything. | ||
| That's my life. | ||
| You know, just gearing up for that is what I do. | ||
| Well, I do a lot of exciting things. | ||
| I'm a very fortunate person. | ||
| Whether it's stand-up comedy or whether it's working for the UFC, the things that I do, I truly love doing. | ||
| And they're very exciting things. | ||
| I mean, when the UFC starts, when the fights are going on, I never feel like I should be anywhere else. | ||
| I'm always very excited to be there. | ||
| Hunting's even more exciting than that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And it's accessible to everyone. | ||
| Whereas, like, not everybody gets to be the commentator for the UFC. Right. | ||
| Lucky for me, I'm the only one. | ||
| Or, you know, there's a couple other guys that do it when I'm not doing it, but... | ||
| They're not as good. | ||
| Thank you very much. | ||
| Appreciate that. | ||
| I think a lot of them are really good, but that's to me. | ||
| But, you know what I'm saying? | ||
| It's like, that's a job that maybe five people on the planet get to do. | ||
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| As far as do commentary for MMA. Three in the UFC. But... | ||
| Hunting, everybody can do it. | ||
| A lot of people can do it. | ||
| That's the other thing that I really like about your approach. | ||
| You go on public land. | ||
| You do it in the national forests. | ||
| You do it in the areas where they're accessible to all these folks. | ||
| You can get a tag, just like everybody else. | ||
| You get your license, just like everybody else. | ||
| And you go out there, and you're not doing one of these canned hunts. | ||
| This is really like the American wilderness that you're entering into. | ||
| Yeah, and that's, you know, I have done, so I've had guides, like when I go someplace where guides require Canada or different places, but Where I basically made a name for myself was in the wilderness by myself on solo hunts. | ||
| And, you know, to tell you the truth, I was worried. | ||
| I think, let's see, I wrote an article. | ||
| It was either 99 or 2000. I went with my buddy South Cox. | ||
| He's from California here. | ||
| The dude should change his name. | ||
| No, he's a stud. | ||
| At least North Cox is like... | ||
| South's a stud. | ||
| Yeah, what the fuck? | ||
| Your parents hate them or something? | ||
| Why don't you call them Southcocks? | ||
| It's COX. Oh, whatever. | ||
| Courtney. | ||
| Yeah, so we went and we both killed good bulls and I killed a buck also. | ||
| And I wrote this article about it and the photos were awesome. | ||
| Just the whole experience is good. | ||
| And I thought, this is going to screw up my hunting because this is public land. | ||
| This is Eagle Cap Wilderness. | ||
| And this is probably the last time this hunting is ever going to be good because people are going to see this and they're going to want to do it. | ||
| And now where I didn't see anybody for years, there's going to be tons of people. | ||
| Well, next year came around, went back in there. | ||
| There's nobody there. | ||
| And so, you know, I ended up writing a book about that type of hunting, and still nobody was there. | ||
| And the bottom line is, yes, it's available to everybody, but it's very tough. | ||
| And you're near 12 miles from the nearest road, and you're living off your back in some of the most unforgiving country there is. | ||
| That's just never easy. | ||
| And so people try it. | ||
| And I've taken friends back there who I wanted to love it as much as I do. | ||
| And, you know, we're back there for a day. | ||
| And they're like, dude, I'm ready to go. | ||
| And I'm like, what are you talking about? | ||
| This is as good as it gets. | ||
| They're like, this isn't what I expected. | ||
| My feet hurt. | ||
| The thing about it is, just because you love it, not everybody's gonna love it. | ||
| And it's something that you can't make them. | ||
| No. | ||
| And so they see the photos, they see the video, they see the animals, and they're like, man, that is awesome. | ||
| I want to do that too. | ||
| Unless it's in you, it's just going to be a struggle. | ||
| It is available, but it's still tough. | ||
| It's like taking someone who's a rap fan to your favorite country concert. | ||
| And they're like, Jesus, what's wrong with you? | ||
| And you're like, come on, man! | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| No, it's got to be, yeah. | ||
| It's not for everybody. | ||
| Well, that's the beautiful thing about life. | ||
| There's a lot of choices. | ||
| There's so much variety. | ||
| There's so many different things that you could be into. | ||
| You know, one of the real problems with life is people want you to be into what they're into. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And if you're not into what they're into, there's something wrong with you. | ||
| Or if they're not into what you're into, there's something wrong with you. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But the thing about that is I don't need anybody to be into it. | ||
| So, I was just like... | ||
| So, my buddy, Roy, who I started hunting in the wilderness with, he moved to Alaska. | ||
| And he's just a stud. | ||
| He was my partner. | ||
| We both, like, had the same mindset that there's no sacrifice too great. | ||
| We can't be in enough pain. | ||
| It doesn't even matter. | ||
| And he moved. | ||
| So, I'm like, okay, I need to find... | ||
| I tried to find somebody to take... | ||
| And eventually, I figured out... | ||
| There's nobody like Roy Roth. | ||
| So I'm just either going to quit hunting there or go on my own. | ||
| And so I just was like, it's on my own. | ||
| And so that's where I started doing the solo wilderness hunts. | ||
| And like I said, it's a good thing about you don't need anybody else. | ||
| People don't like doing it because... | ||
| You're so far out of your comfort zone. | ||
| We're so distracted with everything that's going on in the regular world that being in the wilderness where there's nothing is overwhelming for a lot of people. | ||
| It's just... | ||
| I mean, it's difficult mentally. | ||
| Yeah, just being alone in the wilderness has got to be a very rare experience. | ||
| People freak the fuck out when they're alone in the wilderness. | ||
| That's a scary thing for them because... | ||
| They worry about getting trapped. | ||
| They worry about getting injured, not being able to get out. | ||
| No one's going to be able to find them. | ||
| Like, if you don't have a satellite phone and a backup satellite phone and a handgun, there's a lot of fear involved in being in the actual wild itself. | ||
| Yeah, and they worry about stuff. | ||
| They make up stuff to worry about. | ||
| I mean, just to give them a way out. | ||
| And so... | ||
| And that was true for me, too. | ||
| I mean, it was overwhelming for me. | ||
| I didn't go back in there in the mountains for a 10-day solo hunt right out of the gate. | ||
| I went for, like, one night. | ||
| Like, I went on a scouting trip and then stayed one night, then came out. | ||
| And it just kind of baby steps into it because it's, you know, if you polled, you know, I don't know how many people there are here in L.A., but how many people have stayed out overnight in the mountains by themselves It's not going to be very many people. | ||
| I mean, it's, I don't know, five? | ||
| Yeah, maybe. | ||
| I mean, it's just not something people do in this day and age. | ||
| And so, it's because it's, you know, you're out of your comfort zone. | ||
| But if you can do that, and I became good at that, and actually then I loved it. | ||
| I remember, let's see, it was... | ||
| Let me think. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I can't remember the year, but I killed a 6x6 bull elk by myself. | ||
| And it was my best bull. | ||
| And I got out of the wilderness, had this little Toyota four-wheel drive. | ||
| I had this bull loaded up, and I was just so pumped. | ||
| Finally got cell service out on the highway. | ||
| And I'm driving home. | ||
| I called my wife and I was like, hey Trace, I killed a 6x6 bull. | ||
| And she's like, Princess Di died. | ||
| I'm like, what? | ||
| She's like, Princess Di died. | ||
| I go... | ||
| Who cares? | ||
| I killed a six by six bull. | ||
| It was just like, you're so, you know, to everybody else, Princess Diana dying was just like, you know, the world's going to stop. | ||
| But when you're back in the wilderness and you killed a six by six bull elk, nothing else matters. | ||
| And that's, I just remembered that's the difference between living back there where it's just about, am I going to find a place to sleep tonight? | ||
| Am I going to be warm? | ||
| And will I have food? | ||
| That's it. | ||
| That's all you care about. | ||
| Well, we're inundated by information these days. | ||
| We have, like, constant information coming at us from all around the world. | ||
| The 7 billion people in the entire planet provide stories. | ||
| So anytime anything happens that's interesting or extraordinary or scary or disgusting... | ||
| You're going to hear about it. | ||
| And if you just sit in front of your computer like I do some days, like some days, man, I get on Twitter and I just can't stop clicking. | ||
| I'm just like, what? | ||
| That's not real. | ||
| Oh my God, it is real. | ||
| Holy shit. | ||
| And I retweet it and then, you know, like you could lose your day. | ||
| Your day, it doesn't exist. | ||
| What you're doing is just in, you're just collecting stuff. | ||
| All this information from around the world. | ||
| But it's not your life. | ||
| Your life is just Cameron Haynes, left foot, right foot, left foot, right foot. | ||
| What do I see through my eyes? | ||
| Who's around me? | ||
| Where are my loved ones? | ||
| That's your real life. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| But you're sitting and wondering about whether or not... | ||
| What if when you shot the arrow, right as that arrow hit that bull, Princess Di died. | ||
| Wouldn't that be fucked? | ||
| That'd be crazy. | ||
| That'd be strange. | ||
| Maybe somehow, someway, I killed her. | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| Yeah, look, stranger things have happened. | ||
| You know, if you believe in those things, if you believe in the synchronicities of the world, that would be crazy. | ||
| That would be quite poetic. | ||
| Because if your wife's like, Plintus Dye died, and you're like, yeah, I know. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Right through the lungs. | ||
| It was a double lung. | ||
| She was in the form of an elk. | ||
| She was a spiritual elk. | ||
| Right. | ||
| She bugled and I shot one right through the lungs. | ||
| She was hot, but not as hot as that bull elk at that moment. | ||
| So I don't know. | ||
| Maybe if that was like an 8x9 bull elk, it could have been her. | ||
| I don't think you're supposed to say she was hot. | ||
| I think she was royal. | ||
| She was not really hot. | ||
| She had some royal hotness. | ||
| You think so? | ||
| I think so. | ||
| Not my type. | ||
| I don't think she could get down. | ||
| Princess Di. | ||
| I don't think she could get down. | ||
| I thought she was partying when she died in a car wreck, right? | ||
| Well, she was running away from the press, right? | ||
| Wasn't it like a paparazzi situation? | ||
| Yeah, with a boyfriend or something. | ||
| I don't think she was partying. | ||
| Yeah, she had a boyfriend, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Was that what was up? | ||
| She was breaking up with Princess Charles and she was... | ||
| Her life was in turmoil. | ||
| That makes her hot? | ||
| It's not my type. | ||
| I'm not into that kind of chick. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| She doesn't seem like she could get down. | ||
| But that's just me. | ||
| I mean, all due respect. | ||
| Rest in peace, Mrs. Dye. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's a thing, though, man. | ||
| People do really get caught up. | ||
| Like, my wife tried to tell me some stupid celebrity shit the other day, and she was going on about some things. | ||
| Can you believe that this said that and that? | ||
| I'm like, I don't give a fuck. | ||
| I literally don't give zero. | ||
| I give zero fucks. | ||
| Let's stop talking about this. | ||
| There's so much shit to talk about. | ||
| But those salacious, gossipy things, it gets people so interested. | ||
| It becomes so fascinating. | ||
| It becomes overwhelming. | ||
| I'm guilty of it too, man. | ||
| Somebody put some thread on my message board the other day about, it's probably bullshit, but it might be true, that Bill Clinton had an affair with Elizabeth Hurley. | ||
| Did you see that? | ||
| I thought about that shit all day. | ||
| I thought about it all day. | ||
| I kept going back to the thread, seeing what new developments. | ||
| First of all, I got two things out of that. | ||
| First of all, Tom Sizemore can't keep a fucking secret. | ||
| Whatever you do, don't tell Sizemore who you're banging because that motherfucker spills the beans. | ||
| Don't trust heroin addicts with the truth. | ||
| That's one thing. | ||
| I'll write that down. | ||
| Yeah, trust me. | ||
| And the other thing is, I think that Bill Clinton is the last of the great American presidential dick-slingers. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| Playboys. | ||
| It ends with him. | ||
| You can't do that anymore. | ||
| We are going to be reduced to... | ||
| Not that there's anything... | ||
| Good about being that guy, because obviously he was kind of a creeper. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Bill Clinton was one of those weird guys that would just like whip it out on girls. | ||
| Like if you talk to, I didn't talk to, but if you read some of the accounts of some of those women that were like really angry at him from Arkansas, he would get alone with them and just whip it out. | ||
| There's him and Hurley. | ||
| For sure he hit that, right? | ||
| God damn. | ||
| But that's it. | ||
| We're not going to have any more of those guys. | ||
| No, no. | ||
| And when you're talking about different things, here's how it affects me. | ||
| So people talk about, well... | ||
| Obama did this, this or that. | ||
| I'm like, okay, do I have to go to work tomorrow? | ||
| Because if I have to go to work tomorrow, not much has changed in my life. | ||
| If I don't have to go to work for some reason, then I'll start paying attention. | ||
| That's how I figure it out. | ||
| Well, that's a good way to look at your own life. | ||
| That's a good way to manage your own life. | ||
| The problem, of course, is that this is supposed to be some sort of a community. | ||
| Our country is supposed to be some big giant community and the people that are running this community that are in charge of dictating the rules and the regulations are clearly screwing it up. | ||
| Clearly. | ||
| This is not the optimum way to run any country. | ||
| I don't know if it's possible to optimally run a country with the mess that's been created before the people that got into power, in power, before they got into positions of having any control. | ||
| There's probably so much Bureaucracy and crazy shit behind the scenes as far as like special interest groups and lobbyists and the massive web is probably so deep you could never hack through it all, clean it all up and come up with some sort of a rational system. | ||
| So you got two options. | ||
| One, you could obsess on it and work feverishly until your fucking heart stops beating and then you die an angry person. | ||
| This system sucks! | ||
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| And your heart blows in your chest and you fall down and shit your pants and die in agony. | ||
| Or, you just live your life saying, okay, I'm going to leave that shit to somebody else, let them run it, and I'm going to go wandering through the woods with pointy sticks and I like your approach better. | ||
| Well, I think whoever is running the country, they'd do a much better job if they were bow hunters. | ||
| If they had been in the mountains and actually tried to survive and then maybe even killed an animal and took it back to their family... | ||
| I think they'd probably be a better commander-in-chief. | ||
| I think that's probably true. | ||
| I think if they were a martial artist, they'd probably be a better commander-in-chief. | ||
| I mean, I'm not a huge fan of Putin. | ||
| I think Putin is kind of a psycho, but I respect the fact that he's a black belt in judo, and he's a real martial artist, and he sort of carries himself in that way. | ||
| Like, if Obama and Putin were gonna throw down, Putin would fuck Obama up. | ||
| That bothers me. | ||
| That disturbs me, you know? | ||
| I wish my president could kick a little ass. | ||
| Not that it's the most important thing in the world, but... | ||
| Supposedly he plays basketball. | ||
| Whichever video clip I've seen of him playing basketball, he looks like he sucks at that too, so... | ||
| Supposedly he plays pool, and I'll fucking give him the six out and the breaks. | ||
| Anytime he wants to gamble, let's do it. | ||
| Let's do it, Obama. | ||
| Come on. | ||
| You got a spot. | ||
| I think, um... | ||
| I think that any very, very difficult thing that anybody does, whether it's bow hunting or martial arts or anything where it's incredibly difficult to accomplish something, it sort of separates the people that will quit from the people that figure out a way to succeed. | ||
| And that's really, that overcoming adversity, that's where character comes from. | ||
| And that's the things that we all admire. | ||
| And that shit's hardwired into us, man. | ||
| The admiration of that, like... | ||
| Just as simple as me watching your video of you carrying that rock up a hill. | ||
| I mean, is it important that you carry that rock up a hill in the greater scheme of the universe? | ||
| No, it's not. | ||
| But to me it was. | ||
| Because to me that day I was like, this motherfucker's doing some shit that I probably can't do right now. | ||
| And when you see that, it makes you like, I want to be able to carry that rock up the hill. | ||
| All right, well, if I'm going to fucking start out with a 35-pound plate, I'm going to carry that up the hill. | ||
| I'm going to work my way up to that big rock. | ||
| And that inspiring each other and the ability to push yourself to these incredible heights is really one of the more exciting aspects of being a person. | ||
| It's one of the things that makes being a man or a woman, I mean, I guess being a woman, I'm not a woman, so I don't know. | ||
| I thought about it sometimes, what it would be like. | ||
| But it makes it, it gives you thrills. | ||
| It gives you excitement. | ||
| It gives you these feelings of accomplishment when you achieve things. | ||
| They're some of the greatest moments in life. | ||
| And I feel bad for people that have never stuck their neck out. | ||
| I feel bad for people that have never taken chances. | ||
| Not because they're less. | ||
| Because they're not less. | ||
| They're just, they haven't reached their potential. | ||
| It's not that their potential is less. | ||
| I feel like probably inside all of us, we all have the potential for greatness in one way or another. | ||
| As long as we don't have any obvious physical problems, we didn't get dealt a terrible genetic hand of cards with a disease or something like that. | ||
| But if you don't have that, I think all of us have potential. | ||
| I feel bad for people who don't at least attempt to reach a potential in some way. | ||
| Yeah and that's you know for me I don't I didn't feel I don't feel like I'm any different from anybody else you know because I've been back in my early 20s I remember I signed up for a 10k race 6.2 miles back home and quit I mean I always had been partying I was I don't know what 19 or 20 and uh it's just whatever not in shape and I'm like why am I doing this and stepped off the course And I'll never forget what | ||
| that moment felt like being a quitter. | ||
| And that is crazy. | ||
| But the point is, so if I've been that guy who quit a six-mile race, and I've come and now have done what I can do or what I finally... | ||
| Believe or figured out I could do anybody can you know what I mean? | ||
| I'm not like crazy talented or or have all this ability that just is natural It's just but it's what I what I'm doing and what I chase and what I work for every day and I've been able to achieve what some might consider you know Big accomplishments. | ||
| And I'm just a regular guy. | ||
| You're a regular guy, but you're a regular guy who puts it out there. | ||
| And when you put it out there, that's what creates that energy. | ||
| That's what creates that inspiration. | ||
| That's what creates action. | ||
| Because people will watch your video and go, man, I'm going to the fucking gym. | ||
| And they'll go to the gym and they'll start lifting weights. | ||
| Or they'll do whatever it is that they do. | ||
| They'll get inspired by your hard work. | ||
| They'll watch that video of you getting up early in the morning and going running when you don't want to. | ||
| They see you tired. | ||
| Everybody feels that. | ||
| Everybody's seen that alarm clock go off or heard that alarm clock go off. | ||
| I'm like, I do not want to get up now. | ||
| Everybody knows that feeling, but it's overcoming that feeling. | ||
| It's developing that muscle of discipline where you look at that alarm, you hit it, and you just get up. | ||
| I had an ex-girlfriend back when I was fighting who used to get angry at the way I would get up. | ||
| Because, you know, she had to work, and I was a comedian. | ||
| I had, you know, a bunch of different, like, small-time jobs. | ||
| But when I would get up, I'd get up angry. | ||
| Because I had sort of this thing that I would do in the morning, like, before my morning workouts and I'm training. | ||
| I would, the alarm clock goes up, and I would get up like my life depended on it. | ||
| So the alarm would go off. | ||
| I'd hit it, and I'd just fucking jump out of bed like the house is on fire. | ||
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| Because I was like, that's the way to do it. | ||
| Because anything else is weak. | ||
| I had a real problem when I was young. | ||
| I was so crazy. | ||
| I competed in martial arts from the time I was 15 till I was 22. That's all I did. | ||
| And I was so crazy that I thought it was weak to want sex. | ||
| That, like, wanting sex with my girlfriend was, like, a weakness. | ||
| And that pleasure was a weakness. | ||
| Wanting to taste good food was a weakness. | ||
| You're gonna be miserable. | ||
| I was fucking crazy. | ||
| I was completely crazy. | ||
| But I would, uh, that alarm clock would get up. | ||
| That alarm clock would go off, and I would get up angry. | ||
| I would get up angry and urgent. | ||
| And that's how I'd wake up. | ||
| I'd just wake up instantly. | ||
| We gotta go. | ||
| And I'd get my shoes on and do my run or whatever I did that day in the morning. | ||
| And she would go, will you fucking stop doing that? | ||
| You fucking drive me crazy. | ||
| You get up. | ||
| I think the house is on fire or something like that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| She's overacting. | ||
| Got rid of that bitch. | ||
| Got a better one. | ||
| It wasn't she was overacting. | ||
| I was fucking crazy. | ||
| I wouldn't have wanted to hang out with me when I was 19. I was a fucking maniac. | ||
| But that's probably better than hitting that fucking snooze button ten times in a row. | ||
| Developing the discipline, the muscle of discipline. | ||
| I get that through inspiration. | ||
| I get that through watching a video of you seeing that alarm clock go off, knowing that you're tired, getting up and working out. | ||
| You Instagrammed a picture from Vegas when you were at the SHOT Show. | ||
| You're looking totally exhausted and you're lifting weights. | ||
| I'm like, fuck yeah, he's doing it. | ||
| That's what you got to do. | ||
| You don't want to lift weights? | ||
| Good. | ||
| Go lift weights. | ||
| You're tired? | ||
| There's always an excuse. | ||
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| Yeah, there's always an excuse. | ||
| But when you get through it, you realize life is a lot of times not about doing what you want to do. | ||
| Life is about doing what you're supposed to do or what you should do. | ||
| And then knowing that when you want to do it, it'll be even easier then. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's part of my routine. | ||
| And people always ask, well, so what do you do? | ||
| What's your... | ||
| You know, routine for getting in shape. | ||
| I'm like, it's real simple. | ||
| Actually, I got it on my shirt right here. | ||
| Lift, run, shoot. | ||
| I lift, run, shoot every day. | ||
| Well, what about... | ||
| Okay, so every day? | ||
| Every day. | ||
| You don't take Sundays off? | ||
| Nothing? | ||
| Every day. | ||
| You don't take a day off a week for anything? | ||
| Every day. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| That's interesting to me. | ||
| I should add every day to the bottom. | ||
| I take days off, son. | ||
| I like days off. | ||
| And people post, hey, I would like days off too, but I can't do it. | ||
| I just can't. | ||
| You can't do it mentally? | ||
| No, I can't do it. | ||
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Really? | |
| That's interesting. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And people, this one guy I remember, he posted on my, I don't know where it was, Facebook, I think. | ||
| He's like, yeah, you know, I've been following you for a long time, but everything you're doing now is just too much. | ||
| I'm like, too much what? | ||
| Too much for who? | ||
| Too much for you or too much for everybody? | ||
| And so that was like my whole thing is now I want to be the guy who does too much. | ||
| Because how do you do too much? | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| Too much for, I mean, who determines, is there a council that says, okay, it's been determined you're doing too much? | ||
| So... | ||
| I know what you mean. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, what we used to think is too much is now the norm. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You know, I mean, if you stop and look at, like, as far as, like, exercise, like, think about, like, what people used to do for exercise and now what people do now. | ||
| Like, no one trains harder than MMA fighters. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And MMA fighters, you know, if you deal with a guy like, say, you know, a George St. Pierre or a John Jones, they're training twice a day at least. | ||
| At least twice a day. | ||
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Right. | |
| They'll take off recovery days. | ||
| Randy Couture used to take very few off days. | ||
| He would do what he would call active recovery. | ||
| Instead of wrestle, lift weights, maybe he would go mountain biking. | ||
| Maybe he would do something where he's moving, he's getting some exercise in it, but he would do what he would call an active recovery day. | ||
| Maybe he'd go hiking. | ||
| It would still work, but You're forcing your body to understand that this is what you do, dude. | ||
| This is what your body does. | ||
| For those guys especially, it might be for one minute. | ||
| Their fight might be over in a minute. | ||
| I watched Uriah the other night. | ||
| I know how hard he works. | ||
| First round, over. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| That was a very unfortunate ending, too. | ||
| And it was very unfortunate for Uriah in a lot of ways. | ||
| First of all, he went into that camp right after the McDonald fight, and he had an injured knee and an injured hamstring entering into the Burrell fight. | ||
| So he had a pulled muscle in his hamstring, a partial tear, and his knee was fucked up, so he couldn't wrestle. | ||
| So not the most optimum conditions to be fighting, not just for a world title, but against... | ||
| Easily one of the four baddest motherfuckers to walk the face of the planet. | ||
| That Hennen Barrow, he is a beast. | ||
| That kid is so good. | ||
| And he hit Uriah with one leg kick early in the fight. | ||
| And you see Uriah's leg give out. | ||
| You see that limp. | ||
| There's a limp that a guy gets when you know that shin really slammed into the meat of the muscle. | ||
| There's this stutter step that they give. | ||
| It's like, oh boy. | ||
| Long night for Uriah. | ||
| And then he got tagged. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Even worse that, unfortunately, he got Steve Rinella. | ||
| Do you know Steve Rinella? | ||
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| Hey, man, I'm doing a fucking podcast with Cameron Haynes. | ||
| I'll call you back. | ||
| Dude, call me. | ||
| He wanted to get on there. | ||
| Yeah, probably. | ||
| He's like, listen, this guy's full of shit. | ||
| You need a 60-pound bow and that's it. | ||
| This guy's a maniac. | ||
| Stop all your lifting. | ||
| This dude's a goddamn billy goat. | ||
| We went pig hunting two weeks ago. | ||
| And, you know, just following him up the hills. | ||
| Jesus, he doesn't get tired. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He has no muscle mass. | ||
| You know, he's this thin guy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But he can go for days. | ||
| Right. | ||
| For days. | ||
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| He just doesn't get tired. | ||
| You know, I was shocked when we were in Montana because I'm in pretty good shape. | ||
| But I would follow him up these hills and I'd be like... | ||
| And he'd be like... | ||
| Nothing? | ||
| Not even breathing heavy? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's what really got me onto this idea of exercise and hunting being together, that hunting is a difficult thing. | ||
| Is that you, Karen? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Look at the horns on that thing. | ||
| Oh my god, those antlers are giant. | ||
| Doing lunges there. | ||
| Is that what you're doing? | ||
| No. | ||
| No, you're just picking it up? | ||
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| That's a good way to do it though, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Now, is there any exercise that you do specifically to deal with the fact that you've got so much weight on your back? | ||
| Because when you're packing out like that... | ||
| Didn't we talk about the rock? | ||
| Yeah, but I mean, what I'm saying is to compensate for that. | ||
| Not just doing that and carrying the rock, but is there any other, like, do you do those Roman chair exercises or something to strengthen your lower back? | ||
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| Because it seems like your core and a lot of the areas of your back are really taxed. | ||
| Your spine carrying a lot of weight on a pack like that. | ||
| Well, I mean, I'm working core all the time from planks to... | ||
| All the lifts that I do. | ||
| Shooting a bow can be core. | ||
| It is. | ||
| I mean, you're trying to hold steady. | ||
| You're engaging your core. | ||
| So, yeah, I do it in running the mountain. | ||
| So, whether I have the rock or not, I'm running that mountain. | ||
| And when you're on an uneven trail and you're juking around and stepping in holes, you know, you're engaging your core. | ||
| And then, of course, we do, you know, regular lifts, deadlifts, and whatever else. | ||
| So, I don't know. | ||
| I'll try to mix it up. | ||
| Yeah, I would imagine that there's a lot of crazy muscle groups involved in not just carrying that rock out, but just in shooting that bow, do you balance out your body because you're pulling so hard on your right side? | ||
| Do you ever pull your bow just with your left side just to balance it out? | ||
| No, I think the lifting helps that, you know? | ||
| I mean, because lifting is pretty much you're engaging both sides equally. | ||
| So the bow, the bow just is what it is. | ||
| I probably, I probably am a little unbalanced, but you wouldn't be able to tell. | ||
| But just from, you know, 27 years of doing it or whatever it's been. | ||
| Yeah, my friend Steve Maxwell, who's a pretty famous strength and conditioning expert, he works with a lot of people that have imbalances, like kickers in the NFL, and he gets them to kick on the opposite side. | ||
| And one of the things that they found is that when you use your weaker side, like say if you have a strong side, and they found this with jujitsu as well, it actually enhances your ability on your strong side. | ||
| So if you, I find that playing pool too. | ||
| I shoot pool left-handed sometimes. | ||
| Like if I'm playing my daughter or if I'm playing someone who sucks, I'll shoot pool left-handed. | ||
| And then sometimes when left-handed comes up, like there's a shot that I can't reach right-handed, I'll shoot it left-handed. | ||
| There you go. | ||
| And if I practice left-handed, then my right hand becomes better because I have to concentrate so hard to use my left hand because it doesn't know how to move right. | ||
| It's all goofy. | ||
| It's not thinking right. | ||
| And my right hand just falls right into place. | ||
| They say that using your weak side actually enhances your strong side, using your less dominant side. | ||
| Yeah, I don't know if I could shoot a bow left. | ||
| I know you could. | ||
| Don't say you couldn't. | ||
| You could 100%. | ||
| I'll bet everything I own that you could shoot a bow left-handed. | ||
| The only difference between that is you have your dominant eye. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Right? | ||
| So to shoot left-handed, I'd have to use what isn't my dominant eye. | ||
| I'd have to use my left eye to aim. | ||
| Yeah, I don't think that'd be a problem. | ||
| You know what I started doing recently at the range? | ||
| I started shooting left-handed because I was shooting so many rounds with my right that I was fucking up my right shoulder. | ||
| Oh, really? | ||
| The.300 Win Mag. | ||
| Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| I was slamming that thing into my shoulder so many times, I was like, let me just fucking shoot a bunch of rounds lefty. | ||
| That's why rifle hunting is bad. | ||
| Because of the shock, the impact. | ||
| Just get a muzzle break. | ||
| It's too noisy. | ||
| It's definitely noisy, but I got these cool earphones that you listen to. | ||
| They cancel the sound out except talking. | ||
| The sound of gunshots gets muffled radically, but I can hear you loud and clear if you're talking to me. | ||
| Actually, I can hear you louder than I could with my ears. | ||
| It actually enhances the sound. | ||
| Yeah, my friend Justin, who's a gun nut, told me about them. | ||
| They're incredible. | ||
| Justin Martindale? | ||
| No, no. | ||
| It's different. | ||
| He's a different kind of gun nut. | ||
| Justin, call it. | ||
| Justin Martindale's a different kind of gun nut. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But he is a gun nut. | ||
| Science! | ||
| But I found that, like, shooting lefty, like, practicing left-handed, it made me, like, so happy that I could go back to right-handed because I was so much better at it. | ||
| You know? | ||
| I think that if you, well, you're so good at shooting bow and arrow anyway, but if you did start shooting left-handed, I bet it would make your right hand better. | ||
| Yeah, maybe. | ||
| Have you ever thought about getting Hoyt to make you a left-handed bow? | ||
| I think they'd do it. | ||
| Let's do it. | ||
| Call Hoyt up. | ||
| I just want to thank you and Hoyt for bringing me this awesome bow. | ||
| Hoyt, which is one of the best bow manufacturers on earth, brought this Hoyt Carbon Spider Turbo for me, and it is amazing. | ||
| We actually have a little bit of an archery set up back here in the back of the studio, so we shot a couple of targets with it, but this bow is sick. | ||
| Yeah, I have one just like it. | ||
| It's amazing, man. | ||
| It's really, really awesome. | ||
| It feels great. | ||
| I brought the Factor. | ||
| Yeah, yours is 90 pounds. | ||
| The one you brought me is 70 pounds, which makes me feel like a little girl. | ||
| I'm going to have to ramp it up. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That thing's incredible. | ||
| I was amazed at how hard that is to pull back, too. | ||
| That's really hard. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, it's like, you know, it really is like doing a 90-pound row. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know? | ||
| Yeah, and a lot of it's technique. | ||
| You know, you want to push with the left, pull with the right, but... | ||
| Yeah, it's got a lot of power. | ||
| I built that or had them build that for me to hunt those water buffalo in Australia. | ||
| And then I'm going to use it in Africa on Cape Buffalo too. | ||
| Yeah, Jamie had that video up. | ||
| Jamie, pull that video up so you can see that water buffalo. | ||
| It's a long stalk, a long patient stalk on this buffalo. | ||
| And I would imagine you would want to get a bunch of trees between you and him just in case shit got hairy and you had a duck behind one of those trees. | ||
| Yeah, the thing about this... | ||
| So these animals here... | ||
| They catch movement. | ||
| So if they're not looking while you're moving, they can't pick that up. | ||
| So it's about going slow. | ||
| And then if he looks, of course, I stop. | ||
| So it's just about right here. | ||
| So I stop because his head's up. | ||
| And so he can see out of his eye. | ||
| I'm not moving. | ||
| He puts his head down. | ||
| One thing that I figured out on these things is they might put their head down and pretend like they're eating, but really they're looking. | ||
| So you've got to be able to tell. | ||
| He'll have his head down, but if he's not ripping grass side to side, he's not eating. | ||
| He's just testing me. | ||
| So he might have maybe picked something up, but he put his head down, but his mouth wasn't moving, so I just stop. | ||
| Okay, you're trying to catch me here, but as long as they don't see you move, you can walk right up right there. | ||
| I'm not sure what we're filming here, but we get to 46 yards. | ||
| The crazy thing about this is I wanted to let his leg go forward so I can slip that arrow In as it's legs forward opening up his vitals and I waited too long and you can watch this arrow and it clips a tree in between me and it and it hit the arrow hit a little lower than what I wanted because it hit that tree but because I have you know 90 pounds and so much force it was it ricocheted caught a little bit of energy from that tree it | ||
| was lessened but it still went in and Heart shot on that buffalo. | ||
| Here it is when you're shooting it. | ||
| Yeah, so watch that tree, the curved one. | ||
| So I want his leg to go forward. | ||
| Oh, so you barely touched it. | ||
| Barely caught that. | ||
| But if I would have had less poundage, that could have... | ||
| So right there, that's a heart shot on him. | ||
| And he has no idea what happened. | ||
| So he's taken off. | ||
| And their vitals... | ||
| That looks like a bad shot, like if you were hunting elk. | ||
| That would be too forward and too low, but on those, that's where the heart is. | ||
| So you have to know the organs of the animal. | ||
| Yeah, it's a little bit different on those animals than what were here in North America. | ||
| And so you see he's going to run into a tree here. | ||
| He's pretty wobbly. | ||
| And so I don't know how many seconds this was, but you've got a 2,000-pound animal with just a razor-sharp stick, and he's down in, you know, a minute, maybe a minute and a half. | ||
| That's That's a lot quicker than they're ever going to die in a natural habitat on their own. | ||
| No doubt. | ||
| And that's one thing that people need to understand when you're talking about animals and hunting animals and people that are opposed to it. | ||
| They need to understand first of all that In order to do proper conservation, to take care of these animals, to make sure that their herds, the population is strong, you have to cull some of the animals. | ||
| You have to. | ||
| Because otherwise they're going to die of starvation, they're going to get diseased. | ||
| There's a lot of issues involved if you're not introducing predators. | ||
| And if you introduce predators to take care of the population, well then you've got a whole other problem, obviously. | ||
| And they're actually seeing that right now in parts of this country with wolves. | ||
| When they reintroduce wolves, I mean, they're really ramping up wolf hunting now in Idaho. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Because the wolves are just tearing up elk. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And it's, yeah. | ||
| Decimating populations. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And, you know, like in Australia, there's no predators. | ||
| So those buffalo, there's too many of them. | ||
| Right now, there's no limit on buffalo. | ||
| You don't need a tag. | ||
| You don't need a license. | ||
| They just want them killed because they're not native. | ||
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| Those are Asian water buffalo so they were brought over to Australia. | ||
| They're not native and so there's so many of them where there once was water and there's fish and all sorts of things now it's just basically a mud hole because those buffalo get in there and you know they they piss in there they do live in there killed everything so they tear up the habitat they tear up the water they ruin the water source And so now they just want them killed. | ||
| So when I was over there, I killed three of those big old things, and you could kill 20 of them if you want. | ||
| They need them gone. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| That's the same thing with New Zealand as well, right? | ||
| New Zealand has an issue with non-native species? | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| You know, there's only, I don't know, there's tons of non-native species in Australia. | ||
| I think, let's see, the guy who was with, Adam Greentree, he killed, it's not a dingo, but it's... | ||
| Sort of like a dingo, but it's not a purebred because those are protected. | ||
| See that kangaroo? | ||
| Look how yoked he is. | ||
| That kangaroo is following the Cameron Haynes program. | ||
| Look at him. | ||
| I would not want to tangle with that kangaroo, man. | ||
| You don't need to be that jacked to be a kangaroo. | ||
| See, he's wasting his time. | ||
| He's getting crazy. | ||
| No, but yeah, so it was good getting over there and seeing different animals and learning from, let's see, Adam Greentree and Owen Stronell were over there and they've awesome bow hunters and, you know, getting to new countries is just what I love to do. | ||
| Yeah, and the non-native species thing is a fascinating thing to me because that's what we're dealing with in North America with the wild hogs that have been introduced, you know, they were introduced with the Europeans and they've run rampant all throughout the I mean, California, we were in Tohono Ranch, where I went hunting with Rinella, and they have 50,000 hogs on this one ranch. | ||
| I mean, they're fucking everywhere. | ||
| It's insane. | ||
| You see these herds of them. | ||
| Oh, and they tear, I mean, they're rooting around, tearing up the ground. | ||
| Yeah, and they breed all year round. | ||
| They're just constantly making babies, and so there's certain ranches in California, in Southern California, they're begging people to come on their ranch and kill hogs. | ||
| You know, in Texas, famously, they're shooting them out of helicopters. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, they actually have companies that take people on helicopter hog hunts, and that's what they're all about. | ||
| They just fly around, they find the hogs, and they're shooting them out of the sky. | ||
| And part of it is novelty, you know, you get to hunt from a helicopter, but part of it is necessity. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| You can't get to these damn things. | ||
| You need to reduce the number somehow. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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| The non-native species thing is very fascinating to me. | ||
| The understanding of population control is one of the things that I've really become fascinated by getting into hunting, understanding what the fish and wildlife, what they have to go through in order to figure out how many tags to give out, what the numbers are where they need to let animals recuperate, where they need to go in and take some of them and reduce them. | ||
| It's a fascinating thing. | ||
| And one of the most efficient programs in our country, as far as, like, you want to talk about, like, government programs. | ||
| Well, Fish and Wildlife is a government program, but damn, it's effective. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Effective and efficient because it's run by actual hunters and fishermen and outdoorsmen. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| No, and the thing about, you know, hunting, people still... | ||
| If you're not a hunter, it's hard to understand. | ||
| Or some people still don't understand why in this day and age you need to hunt. | ||
| Well, you know, like I work with the Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation. | ||
| They're the number one conservation group out there. | ||
| And they've helped protect habitat, I think, over 6 million acres now of habitat for elk. | ||
| So that's from hunter's dollars, you know, conservation groups. | ||
| So hunters, the money we pay for tag and license and everything else to use to be in out there hunting with the weapon, that's what goes into helping these animals. | ||
| You know, elk numbers now have never been higher. | ||
| That's, yeah, we're hunting them, but we're also paying and contributing to the health and habitat and for elk and other wildlife. | ||
| And that's That's what people don't understand. | ||
| Without putting a value on those animals, then that's where, I don't know, that's where everything goes sideways. | ||
| But because we value them, we're willing to pay money and help. | ||
| And we've got outfits like the Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation that just do amazing work for us. | ||
| Yeah, I know where their mindset... | ||
| I understand where they're coming from, the people that are anti-hunting. | ||
| They're coming from kindness. | ||
| I mean, they don't want you to kill these cute animals. | ||
| They feel like it's a cruelty thing or that it's an evil thing to go out to nature and find these beautiful things and shoot them and kill them. | ||
| I understand the mindset, but it, like many things in life, is not nearly as cut and dry as everybody wants to paint it, as everybody wants to depict it. | ||
| Far more complex and complicated issue. | ||
| And they have a hard time believing that someone could have a deep love for animals while still hunting them. | ||
| Right. | ||
| No, it's a... | ||
| I don't, you know, I don't think anybody could respect a bull elk more than I do. | ||
| You know, maybe the same, but it's... | ||
| I think about elk hunting every single day. | ||
| And those bulls are... | ||
| Man, once... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I dreamed about killing a 6x6 bull elk or First of all, I didn't know if I had what it took. | ||
| I was like, am I good enough? | ||
| Or am I tough enough? | ||
| Or can I even do this? | ||
| I mean, maybe I'm not even capable of it. | ||
| Because I could kill some animals. | ||
| I could kill the spike bull. | ||
| I killed some smaller bulls. | ||
| But a 6x6 bull, mature herd bull, is what every hunter dreams of. | ||
| And for folks who don't know what you're saying, 6x6 means six points on each side. | ||
| This is an enormous animal. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| And for folks who don't understand, you're talking about... | ||
| Antlers that are bigger than my arms. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Longer and thicker even than my arms. | ||
| Okay, so I killed a 6x6 bull this year in Colorado, or in 2013, and it was about 10 years old. | ||
| So to do that, he's been through 10 hunting seasons. | ||
| You know, endured 10 winters. | ||
| I mean, tough, tough animal. | ||
| And so for a long time, I didn't know if I had what it took. | ||
| And that was when I finally did do it is when Princess Di died, like I said. | ||
| And so that was when I called. | ||
| It was just like, all I could think about is I finally proved to myself I could do it. | ||
| And that's powerful. | ||
| That was the first time that you'd ever done it. | ||
| There's one right there. | ||
| Yeah, that's more than the 6x6. | ||
| That's a... | ||
| That's a monster. | ||
| It looks like he's got an extra tine in there. | ||
| Pull up a video of Elks bugling. | ||
| I know we've played one of those before, just so people can hear it. | ||
| There's one on my YouTube from Colorado this year, and the bull's coming up the hill bugling, and it's so loud. | ||
| Oh, yeah? | ||
| It's amazing. | ||
| What is that? | ||
| Do you know the name of the video? | ||
| It should be something Colorado. | ||
| Cam in Colorado or something like that. | ||
| Well, Jamie will find it, but... | ||
| That animal itself, the elk, is almost like a mystical animal to me. | ||
| Because if you've heard one, I've heard one call before. | ||
| We were in Mount Rainier. | ||
| We actually weren't even hunting. | ||
| We were looking for Bigfoot. | ||
| I was there with my friend Duncan. | ||
| You didn't find him, did you? | ||
| Dude, we found him. | ||
| I just like to keep secrets. | ||
| I'm not like Tom Sizemore. | ||
| I'm not all blabby. | ||
| No, we... | ||
| It was for this sci-fi show that I did called Joe Rogan Questions Everything. | ||
| Can you hear it? | ||
| Yeah, if you go to like eight or nine... | ||
| Eight or nine minutes? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Let's see. | ||
| Can we hear the... | ||
| Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| This is where I took a selfie of a bull coming in. | ||
| No, it's past that. | ||
| Maybe right in there. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, turn... | ||
| Oh, there we go. | ||
| Listen to this. | ||
| How far away is that right now? | ||
| He's about 70. That's him. | ||
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That's so weird. | |
| Yeah, listen to this. | ||
| And that's a carbon spider turbo? | ||
| That's an 80 pound one? | ||
| That's not a carbon, that's a spider turbo. | ||
| That's before? | ||
| That was last year. | ||
| The model before. | ||
| That is amazing, dude. | ||
| That will just put the hair on the back of your neck. | ||
| And so you have this scope in your hand that's a spotting scope that shows you the distance. | ||
| Is it distance? | ||
| Rangefinder. | ||
| Rangefinder. | ||
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Wow. | |
| So he's about 18 yards right here, but he's going to get the wind. | ||
| So I have to try to stop. | ||
| I do that with my mouth. | ||
| I'm trying to stop him before he smells me. | ||
| So he spooks right here and he goes to about 25 right here. | ||
| My son Tanner's filming. | ||
| Right there. | ||
| So it's a perfect shot. | ||
| And you'll see... | ||
| Here's how you see how lethal a bow is. | ||
| He's bleeding on the other side. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Arrow went clear through. | ||
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Wow. | |
| He probably doesn't even know what the fuck just happened. | ||
| No, he's looking for a bull. | ||
| He hears that other bull is bugling. | ||
| He just got in a fight with a bull. | ||
| Now he's like... | ||
| He doesn't feel so good. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| So that's it. | ||
| That's... | ||
| That's an animal seven times bigger than you. | ||
| Yeah, and that was just with a sharp stick, basically. | ||
| So that's what you dream of. | ||
| Every bowhunter dreams of that. | ||
| And how many of those have you ever killed? | ||
| Oh... | ||
| I don't know, probably 30. Wow, dude, you must have the most ridiculous freezer at home. | ||
| Yeah, no, the freezer's full, definitely. | ||
| What kind of a freezer do you have? | ||
| Do you have like one of them walk-in freezers? | ||
| I have two, just two freezers. | ||
| Two big giant freezers? | ||
| Yeah, in the garage. | ||
| Yeah, and it's full of bear and elk and everything else. | ||
| You probably never have to go to the supermarket for meat, right? | ||
| No, we still like a good beef steak every once in a while. | ||
| You know, I buy my beef from Adam LaRoche. | ||
| He has a ranch in Kansas, and it's just, you know, the beef is raised, no steroids, it's just free range. | ||
| And that's where I buy my meat from. | ||
| He's another hunter. | ||
| He's on the show Buck Commanders. | ||
| He plays for the Washington Nationals. | ||
| And is it all grass-fed? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, and it's as good as it gets. | ||
| The farm that we hunted on in Wisconsin this year is my friend Doug, Doug Duren, and he actually has cows on his farm as well and raises them grass-fed, gave us some of the beef. | ||
| It was delicious. | ||
| Amazing. | ||
| People don't realize, man, when you're feeding cows, these diets that are unnatural to them, giving them corn, they're all fat and shit. | ||
| Like, I was at a restaurant the other day and they tried to give me some of that Wagyu beef. | ||
| They're like, it's our finest beef. | ||
| I'm like, get that sloppy, fat, stupid animal away from me. | ||
| That drunken animal. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| No. | ||
| That's what it is. | ||
| They get them drunk off beer. | ||
| They're feeding them beer and fattening them up. | ||
| You're not supposed to have all that fat, like that marbling. | ||
| You get a nice grass-fed steak and it's, you know... | ||
| It's lean. | ||
| It's very lean. | ||
| It's darker. | ||
| It's a deeper red. | ||
| It's more like a game animal. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's not as lean as elk. | ||
| No. | ||
| And like you said, eating... | ||
| Is that Steve calling again? | ||
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No. | |
| I'm texting. | ||
| I should shut this fucking thing off. | ||
| Silly Steve. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| How dare he? | ||
| But I've been in Colorado in that high country there, and that's about 11,000 feet. | ||
| That's up in the mountains. | ||
| And I killed a bull, I don't know, I think it was three years ago. | ||
| And we cut out the backstrap, built a fire, and cooked it. | ||
| I actually put it on one of my arrows, because my arrows are aluminum, and cooked the backstrap skewered on an arrow over a fire. | ||
| And I don't care where I've eaten or the food I've eaten, it would never be better. | ||
| And that right there in the mountains, killing or eating an animal I just killed is amazing. | ||
| Yeah, we did that in Montana. | ||
| We had liver and heart that we had killed two hours ago. | ||
| And we cooked it up at the campfire. | ||
| We were all just like, oh, this is incredible. | ||
| It's so good. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And the taste, it's so vibrant, too. | ||
| Like, the taste of elk. | ||
| Elk is an extremely delicious animal. | ||
| It's got a really unique flavor to it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Almost sweet, right? | ||
| Well, and it's just, you know, so I was cutting that back strap on a rock, dirty hands, just a knife that I'd gutted it. | ||
| It's just like, so whatever. | ||
| I don't even know how you'd describe it, but it's just, I don't know, it just feels like that's how it's meant to be. | ||
| That's almost how... | ||
| It feels like I'm meant to live. | ||
| It's just out there living in the mountains. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| It's just powerful. | ||
| Even not killing an animal, there's something to me about the mountains that's insanely appealing. | ||
| I love being in the mountains. | ||
| It gives you this weird... | ||
| It sounds very hippie, but I believe that when you are in these areas, like when you are in a mountain and there's all these trees and there's a river or stream or whatever... | ||
| I feel like there's energy coming out of those trees, there's energy in that hill, and that these life forms, these plants that grow there in the wild, and these vibrant things that have existed without any human assistance whatsoever, and we'll be here probably long after we're gone, there's something to them where when you're in that environment, you feel it. | ||
| You might not even know you feel it, but Sort of like you don't know when you breathe in smoggy air, you just breathe in smoggy air, and then you get to a mountain, you get that mountain air, and you're like, wow, this is different. | ||
| And then you're around those plants. | ||
| I feel like, I mean, it's not like they're communicating with you, but I feel like they give off a vibe. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That wasn't after you smoked a bunch of pot, was it? | ||
| I ate a bunch of pot. | ||
| No, even Stone Cold Sober, man. | ||
| But the pot would definitely enhance. | ||
| No, I believe that too. | ||
| You know, I've been, there's this place I used to go and camp by myself in the Eagle Cap, and it was just like on this rock shelf looking over this huge canyon. | ||
| And so I was sleeping there one night and, you know, stars are out. | ||
| And just before dark, I glassed about 300 yards away a bunch of bighorn rams. | ||
| And, you know, sheep are just like the holy grail of hunting, right? | ||
| And so I was watching these sheep. | ||
| And it's just like, it's just so, I don't know, it's so amazing that moment. | ||
| So I went to bed in my bivy sack there, and I woke up in the morning, the sheep were still there, except there was one less. | ||
| And I'm like, I wonder where the heck that other ram went. | ||
| Well, I went over there and found a lion had killed a ram the night before. | ||
| And so I found this leg. | ||
| I'm like, oh, okay, well, here's one reason why he wasn't with them. | ||
| But it's just like, those rams that they're feeding, One got killed by a lion. | ||
| They're still there feeding. | ||
| Nothing had changed. | ||
| I mean, the wind was still blowing. | ||
| They were still feeding, but one was gone. | ||
| And to me, it's just like, man, I could die back here. | ||
| Nothing changes. | ||
| I mean, you really figure out how you fit in. | ||
| Nothing cares back there. | ||
| It's just like, that's just the way it goes. | ||
| There's life and death, and nothing in the wilderness changes. | ||
| And to me, that was powerful. | ||
| You really feel how you fit in. | ||
| It's humility. | ||
| You don't have much of an impact, really. | ||
| You know who needs to feel that? | ||
| Who's that? | ||
| Kanye West. | ||
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Kanye West. | |
| Take that motherfucker bowhunting. | ||
| There you go. | ||
| Take him bowhunting and while he's in his little tent, he hears... | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Here's some mountain goat get taken out. | ||
| Well, I think a lot of people could benefit, including Kanye. | ||
| Almost everybody could benefit. | ||
| Have you ever had any encounters with mountain lions? | ||
| Let's see. | ||
| I've had a shot at one. | ||
| I've never killed one. | ||
| I've never been with dogs, you know, hunting lions. | ||
| So it's just kind of been a happenchance. | ||
| But... | ||
| I was still in that same country and I was walking on the top of this cliff and I was looking down at the Rocky Mountain, the goats. | ||
| Have you ever seen a goat? | ||
| It's a white with the little black horns. | ||
| Well, they live up in notoriously steep country. | ||
| So I'm up on top of this cliff looking down at the goats and I was just by myself sneaking along. | ||
| And I look up further down the cliff and there's a lion standing there watching the same goats. | ||
| So I didn't have a tag for the goats, so I was just kind of watching them. | ||
| They only give one tag for that area. | ||
| It's really tough to get, but still they're just awesome animals. | ||
| So I look down and there's a lion watching the same goats. | ||
| And you can see if those goats get too high, they get killed by the lion. | ||
| So they kind of stay a little lower. | ||
| They figure it out. | ||
| But that lion's just waiting for one to make a mistake. | ||
| Well, I was just seconds from being able to get a shot because I had a lion tag, mountain lion. | ||
| And you guys can't hunt them here, but we can hunt them in Oregon, but not with dogs. | ||
| But I was seconds from getting a shot and right before he looked at me and took off. | ||
| So I've seen that lion. | ||
| I saw a lion chasing a cow elk back there. | ||
| They're They're nocturnal. | ||
| You just don't see many lions out in daylight unless they're hunting like that, but I've seen them. | ||
| Do you hear them like when you're camping? | ||
| Yeah, you know, I may not have known what it was, but they do make a noise unlike any you've ever heard, you know, and that's lions. | ||
| What is this helmet? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| It'd be hard to describe. | ||
| Give it a shot. | ||
| No, I can't do it. | ||
| Can't do a lion impression? | ||
| No, I can't do it. | ||
| Is it... | ||
| No, not like that. | ||
| Deeper? | ||
| Yeah, it's... | ||
| No, that's more like a bear. | ||
| But, yeah, I don't know. | ||
| But something creepy. | ||
| Yeah, something creepy. | ||
| Right, exactly. | ||
| Something that you were like, that's weird. | ||
| Have you ever seen the photo of the lion and the ram dead on the road where they had fallen off the cliff? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Where the lion and the ram were duking it out? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And apparently they both went over the edge. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That, to me, is one of the most powerful photographs of the struggle of nature, the tooth, fang, and claw of the wilderness. | ||
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| And that happens all the time. | ||
| I'm sure. | ||
| You just don't have pictures of it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, because it's not on a road. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But, yeah, that's... | ||
| They deal with that all the time. | ||
| Both of them deal with that all the time. | ||
| Yeah, and, you know, it is what it is. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Nothing changes. | ||
| You can find that picture, Jamie. | ||
| It's a crazy picture. | ||
| Yeah, this is the picture. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The series of them. | ||
| The two of them lying down on the road. | ||
| I mean, that is such a powerful photograph. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It just makes you realize, like, what an insane struggle it is to try to be... | ||
| Surviving as an animal in the wilderness. | ||
| And see, that's all snow piled up there. | ||
| You know, it's cold. | ||
| I mean, they're out there 365 days a year trying to survive. | ||
| So that's why I think about what they go through when I'm working out. | ||
| And it's just like, they're so much tougher. | ||
| I mean, we're so weak as a society. | ||
| You know, we're used to laying on the couch, watching TV, having everything, while a bull elk is laying out there in the rain and the snow and the whatever, getting so tough. | ||
| And so I always think about there's this gap between me and a bull. | ||
| I need to close that gap. | ||
| Because it's just getting wider and wider every day for most. | ||
| So if you can close out, if I can get tougher and tougher and tougher, I'm going to be more on an equal playing field and be more of a predator like a lion, you know what I mean, or a wolf. | ||
| How did you decide to specialize in elk? | ||
| Is it just the biggest animal near you in Oregon? | ||
| Yeah, it was probably the most respected and regal animal that I could afford to hunt. | ||
| When I first started hunting, we bought a deer tag. | ||
| It was like $11.50. | ||
| I couldn't even afford an elk tag because they were $25. | ||
| It was like, $25? | ||
| There's no way I'm ever going to hunt elk. | ||
| So that's just the way it was. | ||
| I didn't have any money. | ||
| And then once I could afford elk, it was that year that I killed that one with the bow. | ||
| So I'm in at like 30 bucks. | ||
| I'm like, I need to get my money's worth out of this thing. | ||
| I think it went up a little bit. | ||
| So it was $27.50 or something like that. | ||
| But yeah, that was it. | ||
| It was just the biggest, most respected animal. | ||
| A bull elk is just like, man, I could never dream of hunting sheep at that time or buffalo or whatever. | ||
| So it was elk. | ||
| And elk, I mean, if you've got 500 pounds of meat off an animal, what is that worth, money-wise? | ||
| I mean, what a bargain. | ||
| For a $25 tag, get 500 pounds, well, obviously you have to pay for your equipment and your time and your food and everything to get out there. | ||
| Yeah, it doesn't pencil out. | ||
| It doesn't pencil out, no. | ||
| Once you figure out the time, and, you know, you look at these bows right here, these are, you know, shoot, by the time you get this bow set up here with arrows and everything else, it's like $2,000. | ||
| So... | ||
| You don't want to pencil it out. | ||
| It's not about the value of it. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| It's just more about the experience. | ||
| Why did you decide to go to Australia to shoot these water buffaloes? | ||
| Just for the experience of it? | ||
| When I'm not hunting... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Just being in my office working at my regular work, I feel like I'm dying, basically. | ||
| Do you really? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I just feel like, what? | ||
| Your boss is listening right now. | ||
| You know that, right? | ||
| He's like, what the fuck, Cam? | ||
| I thought you like it here. | ||
| No, I do like it. | ||
| We like you in the office. | ||
| You're dying? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, I mean, I like it there. | ||
| Damage control. | ||
| Sorry, boss. | ||
| Hey, listen, man. | ||
| I felt like I was dying when I was doing Fear Factor. | ||
| I know what you're talking about. | ||
| No, but I just feel like that's not what I'm... | ||
| What you want to do. | ||
| ...meant to do. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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It's just... | |
| I just need... | ||
| I need to be outside. | ||
| I need to be, you know, challenged. | ||
| And so I'm like, God, what can I do? | ||
| And so I came out... | ||
| It was in December just, you know, recently. | ||
| And I'm like, I want to go do something I've never done. | ||
| So Hoyt hooked me up with Adam down there in Australia. | ||
| And I wanted to do... | ||
| Actually, when I first... | ||
| When I decided to go there, it was just going to be to give away a bow. | ||
| What I do with the bows after I get done shooting them for the year is I hold these contests. | ||
| It's like win Cam's bow. | ||
| And I just say, if you want to win my bow from last year, show up at this time and beat me at any challenge. | ||
| Beat me at the challenges I put out there and you can have my bow. | ||
| And so I was just going to do a win a bow in Australia because I have so many people that order my shirts and hats and And everything else from down there, I'm like, I need to get down there and see these people. | ||
| You know, I just wanted to, I just felt so much support down there. | ||
| Oh, that's cool. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So I asked Hoyt, I said, I want to do a win a bow down there. | ||
| Can you help me set it up? | ||
| You know, with the pro shops or the archery shops down there. | ||
| So it just kind of turned into a hunt at the same time. | ||
| I'm like, yeah, I'll do a hunt also. | ||
| So that was what I did the hunt. | ||
| Then I did the win cams bow contest and it's just tied it all together. | ||
| And what was the contest? | ||
| What did they have to do to win your bow? | ||
| They had to beat me at running. | ||
| Well, so we ran, then we did push-ups, then we did pull-ups, and then we did a 100-yard shot. | ||
| So if you beat me at those, you get my bow. | ||
| All three? | ||
| They have to beat you at all of them? | ||
| Four. | ||
| Four. | ||
| All four of them? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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So what if they only beat you at three of them? | |
| Pound sand, next. | ||
| No, then I get to choose who I give it to. | ||
| So I give it away either way. | ||
| I mean, I'm not like, you guys suck, I'm taking my bow home. | ||
| No, I just... | ||
| Then I get... | ||
| So the thing is, I'm going to give it away to somebody. | ||
| If somebody beats me at all that, it's no questions. | ||
| It's your bow. | ||
| And if nobody does, I choose out of the contestants. | ||
| And so I ended up giving it to this 13-year-old girl there. | ||
| And I just liked her heart. | ||
| You know, it was 100 degrees and like 100% humidity. | ||
| It was just brutal. | ||
| And we were running. | ||
| We ran... | ||
| 12 laps around this, I think it was a cricket field, but it was about a 5K, like 3.1 miles. | ||
| And so we were running, and nobody beat me at that, but she was just out there grinding and sweating and hot and just showing a lot of heart. | ||
| Then she did the pull-ups and, of course, didn't win the pull-ups, and she did push-ups. | ||
| And then at the 100-yard shot, she made an awesome shot. | ||
| I mean, she wasn't the closest, but made a good shot at 100 yards at this 3D bull elk. | ||
| And, you know, there's other people who beat her there, but I didn't think anybody showed as much heart as she did, so I gave her the bow. | ||
| And, you know, it was an 80-pound bow, so obviously, I don't know, I told her, I said, you don't need to keep it. | ||
| You can sell it and buy clothes. | ||
| You can do whatever you want with it. | ||
| The point is, is your effort, to me, won this bow today. | ||
| That's cool, man. | ||
| And it's up to you. | ||
| That's really cool. | ||
| Now, when you went out there hunting the water buffalo, you camped out there. | ||
| You camped out there in the bush? | ||
| Yeah, there was... | ||
| There's actually, we stayed in this village from the Aborigines. | ||
| They were, we thought they were going to be there, but there's actually nobody there. | ||
| And we had to hunt, it's called traditional land, native land. | ||
| You have to get permission from the Aborigines to hunt it. | ||
| And what I was told is probably only 50 white men had ever been there. | ||
| Just because it's wild country. | ||
| It's just where they live. | ||
| But nobody's in the village, and we don't know why it was abandoned or whatever. | ||
| I guess if an elder dies, they will leave. | ||
| They think there's bad spirits in the village. | ||
| So they just leave everything and take off. | ||
| So we don't know for sure why it was empty, but we were just there by ourselves. | ||
| And we just basically slept on the porch of this hut out there. | ||
| Adam, who I went out there with, he was like, you know, when we took a helicopter out there, the only way to get there was a four-hour helicopter ride. | ||
| And I said, do we want to get any food? | ||
| He was like, I think it would be better if we just lived off the land. | ||
| And I'm like... | ||
| Yeah, that's cool. | ||
| I didn't know what was out there for sure. | ||
| Turns out there's not much. | ||
| And so that was not the best idea to try to live off the land. | ||
| Luckily, another guy, Owen, went and he did bring some food, but still we didn't hardly have any food. | ||
| I mean, I had a granola bar. | ||
| And I had some trail mix from the airport. | ||
| And Adam had a granola bar. | ||
| And then Owen, he brought some apples and oranges and stuff like that. | ||
| But all that stuff was gone fast. | ||
| And we were out there five full days. | ||
| It was 120 degrees Fahrenheit out there. | ||
| And the water was like... | ||
| It looked like this coffee. | ||
| I mean, because the buffalo lived in it. | ||
| And they just piss and shit. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Just nonstop. | ||
| So... | ||
| You know, we would have to treat that water. | ||
| Oh, you drank that water? | ||
| There's nothing else. | ||
| Oh, my goodness. | ||
| Yeah, so it was a process. | ||
| What does buffalo piss taste like exactly? | ||
| It's, you know, surprisingly, it's not that good. | ||
| Now, do you put it through filters? | ||
| Do you boil it? | ||
| Here's what we did. | ||
| First, we poured it through our shirt to try to get the big chunks out. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Like, Owen brought back some water on time, and he's like, what does this smell like? | ||
| And I was just like, oh my god. | ||
| Smells like buffalo piss. | ||
| And you knew you were going to have to drink that. | ||
| Yeah, so we poured it through the shirt, and then we did it through a pump. | ||
| Adam had a pump, and then he had a SteriPen. | ||
| What kind of pump? | ||
| What do you mean a pump? | ||
| A water, you know, it's for filtering water. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Yeah, I don't know what kind it was. | ||
| But it filters through like a pump system? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like a carbon? | ||
| Right, yeah. | ||
| It's a filter that supposedly cleans the water. | ||
| So, and then we had a SteriPen, which is a UV light that also cleans the water. | ||
| And so we had the shirt, the filter, the SteriPen, and then he's like, okay, so we got all that. | ||
| Now what does it smell like? | ||
| It's in like a cup like this. | ||
| And I was like, Oh my, it still smells, it smelled no different. | ||
| So we drank that. | ||
| Oh my god, like that? | ||
| Just like that. | ||
| Like it was. | ||
| No boiling it, nothing? | ||
| Oh my god, she drank straight buffalo piss. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And shit too, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| What about the bacteria and, you know, like, that stuff that you get, like, when you drink stream water. | ||
| What's that called? | ||
| It's real common. | ||
| Oh, giardia? | ||
| Yeah, giardia. | ||
| What about that? | ||
| Well, that's what that stuff was supposed to kill or take out. | ||
| Yeah, so Adam, he took a drink of it and he kind of went into convulsions a little bit. | ||
| He's like, my body's rejecting it. | ||
| And it was just nasty. | ||
| But then there was another time. | ||
| So we found some hamburger patties that were from the natives there. | ||
| They had the freezer. | ||
| Actually, the government or whoever it is comes in there and they put power and water their solar power because it's so hot and sunny down there. | ||
| So... | ||
| There was a freezer and it had some hamburger patties. | ||
| So we stole those and we're cooking those up. | ||
| So we're down to like one last patty and I had it. | ||
| I took it because I had no food and I had it in my trail mix bag because I had no more trail mix. | ||
| So I had it in there and I had one cooked hamburger patty and I remember We're sitting there and we just drank a big old vat of buffalo piss water. | ||
| And I'm like, man, you know what would go good with this? | ||
| It's that hamburger patty. | ||
| So I took my backpack and I pull out my trail mix with the hamburger bag with the hamburger patty in it. | ||
| And it's just solid ants. | ||
| I mean, ants are all filled up. | ||
| And it's just not like regular little cool black ants like we have here. | ||
| It's just red, mean, whatever ants. | ||
| And just all over in my backpack, all over that patty. | ||
| So all I did, I just blew off... | ||
| Scraped them off, blew them off the hamburger patty, and ate it. | ||
| Why didn't you just eat the ants, too? | ||
| We should have. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Totally gangster. | ||
| I mean, you're drinking buffalo piss, might as well eat some ants. | ||
| But, you know, here's the thing is, you know, experiences like that is, that's where you appreciate, you know, I don't know, how good we have it. | ||
| Because you realize all that matters is you have something to drink and something to eat. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| Yeah, you have to keep your body alive and there's no other way to do it. | ||
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| And so you get home and you see people complain about, oh, there's no ice for this water. | ||
| I got to drink this warm water. | ||
| I'm like, that water looks pretty damn good. | ||
| I mean, I've drank some nasty water and I'd take that, you know. | ||
| So it just puts everything in perspective, you know. | ||
| And you have to make sure that you're not getting dehydrated too. | ||
| So you have to drink a lot of that piss water. | ||
| Yeah, you do. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| What kind of rocket diarrhea did you guys develop? | ||
| I need to know because it must have been like some broken fire hydrant type diarrhea. | ||
| No? | ||
| You didn't? | ||
| No. | ||
| I mean, we must have got it pretty clean. | ||
| You must have a strong constitution. | ||
| I guess so. | ||
| Now, the buffalo itself, you said that you guys ate that buffalo. | ||
| Yeah, we'd had nothing else to eat. | ||
| and you were telling me about this before the podcast started but for the folks at home uh what was that like yeah it was uh so the back strap is typically the best cut of any game animal it's right along the spine And there's no bones and it's just big solid meat and it's usually just like on an elk that's like as good as it gets. | ||
| Tenderloin. | ||
| Yeah and so we cut that off and we cooked that up and these buffalo so cut that up and cooked it up so I take a bite and I shoot my bow just middle of the day and I was shooting for probably maybe a half hour, came back, still chewing the same bite. | ||
| And so, the thing about these buffalo, because there's no predators, and we were trying to kill the biggest bulls out there. | ||
| A bull could be 30 years old. | ||
| Anything, any animal that old in those conditions. | ||
| The muscles are going to be... | ||
| So it's muscle you're eating. | ||
| The muscles are going to be, you know, whatever. | ||
| Just not very pliable. | ||
| Dense. | ||
| Yeah, dense. | ||
| And so I chewed that one bite of the premium cut for half hours, like, you know, eating a shoe. | ||
| So that was it. | ||
| What about the organs? | ||
| Did you eat the liver? | ||
| No. | ||
| How come? | ||
| No, I never, yeah. | ||
| You don't like liver? | ||
| No. | ||
| You don't like liver, like, from a deer? | ||
| No. | ||
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Really? | |
| No. | ||
| Why? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Man, that's my favorite part. | ||
| That just filters all the crap. | ||
| That's so good for you, though. | ||
| No, I'm not. | ||
| It does a good job of filtering the crap. | ||
| I'm not a liver guy. | ||
| That's interesting. | ||
| You know, the alpha wolf is the one that gets the liver when they take out an animal? | ||
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Oh, really? | |
| You might want to reconsider. | ||
| Yeah, that's true. | ||
| Yeah, the alpha wolf, they battle over who gets the liver, and that's how they determine the alpha status of the pack, is that the wolf, who's the baddest motherfucker, is the one that eats the liver. | ||
| There was a documentary on this guy who lived with wolves. | ||
| There was an... | ||
| There was a contained area. | ||
| I forget where it was. | ||
| I forget what part of the world. | ||
| But this one guy lived with these wolves in this contained area. | ||
| And he was the alpha. | ||
| And the way that he became the alpha is he was with these wolves since they were little. | ||
| And he would always eat liver in front of them. | ||
| So he would have an animal that they would give to these wolves, and he would put a liver inside of this animal, and he would open up the Ziploc bag and pull this liver out and eat it in front of them. | ||
| So they knew that because he was eating the liver, he was the alpha. | ||
| Well, he went away because he had to deal with... | ||
| There was a local farmer that had a wolf invasion. | ||
| The wolf were killing his livestock. | ||
| So this guy had to assist this farmer. | ||
| And one of the ways he assisted him, he set up all these speakers where he had howls. | ||
| He set up as if there was a new pack that encroached into this area. | ||
| And he set up this whole elaborate thing to try to ward off these wolves without having to kill them. | ||
| And then some time went by, several weeks, and he went back To the wolves and a new alpha was there. | ||
| So he had to beg for his life in front of this new alpha. | ||
| He had a whimper and it was really intense because it was baring its teeth. | ||
| It was challenging him for the alpha position. | ||
| And so he had to get out of it by being a bitch because normally wolves will duke it out and find out, well, oh, you're the alpha now. | ||
| Well, let's see what's up, bitch. | ||
| And they would duke it out to see who this wolf was determined to eat that liver. | ||
| So he had to fight for his position in the pack by begging. | ||
| Begging for his life. | ||
| I do like how simple life is in the mountains. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| I mean, there's one leader. | ||
| When I was young, I liked being back there because I didn't have to worry about... | ||
| You know, whether somebody liked me or whether I had money or whether any help from anybody, it was just like so simple and so cut and dry, just like that. | ||
| There's one alpha wolf in me. | ||
| Either are you tougher or is he tougher? | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| And that's... | ||
| I just like how black and white the mountains are. | ||
| You know, if you're not tough, you die. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's great if you're tough. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| That's true, yeah. | ||
| If you're not tough, you want to get back home to the internet. | ||
| Like, fuck this place, man. | ||
| I need air conditioning. | ||
| I need a blanket. | ||
| I did a commercial with the wolf for Under Armour. | ||
| I don't know, we filmed it last year. | ||
| But I thought the best ending to that commercial would have been if I could have killed that wolf. | ||
| Because it's like, how it went is me and the wolf were running through the woods. | ||
| We're both doing the same things. | ||
| And... | ||
| And then the commercial ended with me. | ||
| I had a bull elk I'd killed, but we just took the rack up there. | ||
| But I had it on my pack. | ||
| And the wolf came up and he saw me with that bull elk. | ||
| And it's like, I won. | ||
| Because we were both hunting the elk. | ||
| But I got it. | ||
| And so the wolf jumped up on this log and he snarled and was not happy. | ||
| And I thought, I said, man, the best ending to this would be if I just arrowed that wolf too. | ||
| Because you got to kind of infer that I won, but... | ||
| Right. | ||
| Man, that would tell the story right there. | ||
| Well, that would really send it home for Under Armour, though. | ||
| People would boycott. | ||
| He's killing wolves! | ||
| Is this the commercial? | ||
| Play it. | ||
| Yeah, that's it. | ||
| Let's hear the volume. | ||
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| It's even better. | ||
| You're like, bitch, I already won. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That doesn't look like a real wolf, though. | ||
| That's a real wolf. | ||
| It looks like one of those bitch-ass trained wolves. | ||
| Oh, that was a trained wolf, but it was an actual real trained wolf. | ||
| A real wolf, not like a hybrid wolf. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| That wolf had been in the Twilight movies. | ||
| It's sort of a famous wolf, but the thing about it is to make it snarl like that I took some elk steak up there, and I was going to give it some elk after it did this whole thing. | ||
| But to make it mad like that, you had to give it meat and take it away. | ||
| Give it meat, take it away. | ||
| And they said, okay, yeah, the trainer said, okay, we can make it mad and snarl like we need for the commercial. | ||
| But once we do that, we're done. | ||
| Because it's going to be pissed off. | ||
| For the whole rest of the day. | ||
| So that was the last thing. | ||
| So that wolf had been, I think they had it since it was five weeks old and it was 11 years old, but it's still crazy. | ||
| Yeah, it's a real wolf. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, you don't, they have that in them. | ||
| So it was pretty cool. | ||
| Yeah, I had a friend who had hybrids. | ||
| They weren't even full wolves. | ||
| They were like, you know, seven-eighths wolf or something like that. | ||
| But he had them, and they got away from him. | ||
| They were in his yard, and they went over to the neighbor's property and killed something like 18 sheep or something like that. | ||
| Just went on an orgy of murder. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And just slaughtered this guy's sheep. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And then, you know, the... | ||
| Rancher comes over, pissed at him, and he tried to deny it and gives his wolves a bath. | ||
| And I'm like, come on, man. | ||
| What the fuck else is going to kill 18 of them? | ||
| A mountain lion is going to kill one and eat it. | ||
| It's a well-fed wolf dog that's going to go on this mad orgy of murder. | ||
| Yeah, I've read a lot. | ||
| I've always been a fan of wolves, which is kind of cool to do that commercial with the wolf. | ||
| But I read Call of the Wild when I was a kid and White Fang, all that. | ||
| I've read a lot about wolves and they're one of the only animals that'll do thrill killing. | ||
| Just kill a bunch of things just to kill them. | ||
| Whereas other animals usually kill just what they eat. | ||
| Yeah, they had a problem with that recently at this ranch in Montana where this pack of wolves just got a hold of these calves and just slaughtered a bunch of calves, like, you know, a ton of them, like, you know, 12 calves, and just left them. | ||
| I mean, ate part of them, but left a lot of them just sitting there dead, frozen. | ||
| And it was a really creepy scene. | ||
| It was on a television show that I was watching. | ||
| And when they're, you know, these calves that are mostly covered in snow, you see their bodies and you see the havoc that these things, They're too close to people, these fucking wolves. | ||
| They're creepy in a weird way. | ||
| They're smart. | ||
| They're sneaky. | ||
| They're strategic in how they kill things. | ||
| And then they do this thrill-killing thing. | ||
| And you can't blame a wolf. | ||
| That's just how they are. | ||
| But we don't need a bunch of them running around the mountains. | ||
| People have a weird relationship with them because they look so much like dogs. | ||
| You know, it's a strange sort of a relationship that people who love wildlife have that they would be cured of really fucking quickly if they were out there in the woods and they saw a pack of wolves. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because they would realize, oh, these are monsters. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| These are the things that they made Little Red Riding Hood about. | ||
| This is the big bad wolf. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, there's a reason why all of those children's stories involved evil wolves because wolves eat kids. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| On a regular basis back then. | ||
| Well, it's people... | ||
| There's not realistic about it. | ||
| I mean, a wolf, they're just looking for something to kill. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Whether it's your baby. | ||
| You. | ||
| Yeah, you. | ||
| A deer. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, and people, you know, just like that Timothy Treadwell up in Alaska when he was living with the bears and he thought, oh, bears are my friends. | ||
| You know, this... | ||
| Hello, Mr. Chocolate. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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How are you? | |
| They ate him and his girlfriend. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And it's just like, they're not your friends. | ||
| Not even slightly. | ||
| No. | ||
| The only reason why they aren't eating you is because they don't eat you every day, so they're not used to seeing you as food. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's all it is. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And with wolves, they're like, this motherfucker might have a bang stick. | ||
| They're like, circle you, look, and what's that thing in his hand? | ||
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Hmm. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| I might go bang. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, they've heard the bang stick a few times and they go running. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I'm not a big fan of wolves. | ||
| I am a big fan of wolves, and I'm not a big fan of wolves. | ||
| I'm a big fan as far as them. | ||
| Just like I'm a big fan of lions, I think. | ||
| Even mountain lions. | ||
| I think they're fascinating. | ||
| Just wild animals, wild predators are absolutely... | ||
| They're chanting, in a way. | ||
| Just this idea that this thing exists along with us, with our lattes, and our electric cars, and our Wi-Fi. | ||
| Along at the same time, at this very same moment we're doing this podcast, there's some gangster-ass mountain lion in Arizona right now getting shit done on a mountain. | ||
| Sneaking up on some ram or whatever the fuck he can get his teeth onto. | ||
| And that's what he does every day. | ||
| And there's thousands of them. | ||
| It's not just one. | ||
| There's a whole community of mountain lions, and that's what they do. | ||
| Whether it's the wolves in Idaho that are destroying the elk. | ||
| They're really, really fascinating. | ||
| But... | ||
| People who are anti-hunting need to understand that just because a lot of people don't like to eat mountain lion or because nobody eats wolves, You still need to kill those things. | ||
| And it's important. | ||
| Because if it doesn't happen, they're going to creep into civilian areas the same way they used to back in the day when they were writing those Little Red Riding Hood books. | ||
| I've told this story on the podcast before, but I'll tell it again. | ||
| In Paris in the 1400s, wolves killed 40 people in Paris. | ||
| They had to corner wolves in the streets of Paris and kill them with spears and sticks and rocks. | ||
| Like, they're not to be fucked with. | ||
| They're not your dogs. | ||
| It's not a beautiful animal that, you know, has a relationship. | ||
| I mean, even the way we treat, like, killer whales. | ||
| Killer whales don't kill people in the wild. | ||
| They actually help people that fall out of boats. | ||
| You know, killer whales might be your friends. | ||
| We should probably be way nicer to killer whales than we are to wolves. | ||
| Yeah, it's true. | ||
| Yeah, there's something about... | ||
| Hunting a predator, you know, I mean, I've done a lot of bear hunts and I was up in Alberta this year. | ||
| Now, you know, a lot of people bear hunt and they'll like sit up in a tree stand this and that. | ||
| I'm like, I said, I want, I want to hunt. | ||
| I want to hunt a predator and they're seven foot black bear. | ||
| They're huge, but I want to be on the ground. | ||
| I was up there with John Rivett in, uh, in Alberta. | ||
| I said, I want to be on the ground. | ||
| Living amongst them. | ||
| And there's something about... | ||
| And so we did that. | ||
| This is your here. | ||
| What are you cooking here? | ||
| Oh, call that bear crack. | ||
| Yeah, so you bait them up there. | ||
| And there's so many bear up there. | ||
| You can kill two bears. | ||
| There's just like tons of bear. | ||
| You need to manage that number. | ||
| So that bear... | ||
| We call it bear crack because once they get hooked on the crack... | ||
| I mean, they're coming in. | ||
| And what is bear crack? | ||
| What are you mixing in there? | ||
| Marshmallows and jello and stuff like that. | ||
| Just something that smells good. | ||
| But those bears get... | ||
| Do you cook it? | ||
| Yeah, just kind of get it wafting in the air and then the smoke goes off through there. | ||
| But I wanted to... | ||
| Like that bear was probably... | ||
| God, what was that? | ||
| Like maybe 12 feet away? | ||
| Yeah, pull that video up again, Jamie. | ||
| Look how close this little bear is! | ||
| That's a big bear too, man! | ||
| Yeah, that's a good bear. | ||
| And we should point out probably that black bear are much less likely to attack a person than a grizzly. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, they'll... | ||
| But the thing is, with the wild animal, they'll do whatever they want. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, yeah, you can say... | ||
| They'll follow the books. | ||
| No, I mean, you might get attacked and you go, hey, you're less likely to do that, you know? | ||
| It doesn't matter. | ||
| So you never know. | ||
| A bear comes and any animal will make a decision right then on what they want to do. | ||
| You know, if it's a predator, if it's a dominant predator, dominant bear are more likely just to come walking right in like that and just say, you better leave because I'm coming in. | ||
| And those are the ones I go after. | ||
| I want the dominant animal. | ||
| And that one... | ||
| That one wasn't like one of the giant... | ||
| That was a big bear, but not one of the giant bear. | ||
| But there's something about being on the ground eye to eye with a predator like that that's... | ||
| I mean, that's just what I like to do. | ||
| So you passed on that bear because it was too small? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Wow. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's a big bear. | ||
| Yeah, that was. | ||
| But it wasn't seven foot, 400 pounds like the ones that I got. | ||
| How big was that one, you think? | ||
| That's like probably six foot, maybe, you know, 250 or 275. Wow. | ||
| Now, why do you want the dominant ones? | ||
| They're the, you know, they're the older, sometimes those old boars don't breed as much as they used to. | ||
| A lot of the old boars, you know, especially a dominant boar will kill other bear. | ||
| So even if it's an own cub, I mean, it breeds a lot of sows, you know, when they're in their prime. | ||
| So the sows have cubs. | ||
| A dominant boar will kill the cubs because he's trying to eliminate competition for him. | ||
| So he'll kill his own cubs. | ||
| That's just how it works. | ||
| And they eat them too, right? | ||
| Yeah, they eat them. | ||
| We were on Prince of Wales Island. | ||
| That's where this video is right here. | ||
| Prince of Wales Island one time. | ||
| Or no, no. | ||
| This is Alaska. | ||
| This isn't Prince of Wales. | ||
| But this guy hit this bear and we came right at dark. | ||
| We came back the next day to recover it and the dominant boar had eaten his bear. | ||
| That's just... | ||
| They are just... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| It's just survival of the fittest, basically. | ||
| So you want... | ||
| We take those dominant boars out of there and it pretty much helps the health of the herd, basically. | ||
| But the numbers... | ||
| Bears aren't heard. | ||
| But whatever the... | ||
| How many bears are there? | ||
| It'll help taking that big, nasty, dominant one out of there. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I just don't need to kill just to kill. | ||
| When I first started, I killed anything I'd have a chance at. | ||
| I just wanted to notch that tag, take meat home to my family and have success. | ||
| I mean, like, I hunted back home for deer in Oregon, and I didn't kill. | ||
| I passed up everything because I never saw the animal that I wanted to kill. | ||
| I never saw a mature buck, one that I wanted to get, so I just didn't kill. | ||
| I mean, I don't need to kill. | ||
| If I'm going to, it's going to be something that, you know, I'm really, I don't know, infatuated with or just... | ||
| Sold on I really want that so it's just a matter of you just Did you see good deer you just didn't see a great one? | ||
| Yeah Yeah, so good bucks probably most people would kill them, but I just didn't see the one I wanted. | ||
| What were you looking for how big? | ||
| Like a big, you know, 4x4, you know, kind of like, you know, like what you got there. | ||
| Mule deer. | ||
| But this is blacktail. | ||
| Blacktail. | ||
| Yeah, this is in Western Oregon. | ||
| So a good 4x4 blacktail, you know, 5 years old, good mature buck. | ||
| And I just never had a chance at one, so I didn't kill anything. | ||
| Now these bear that you're killing in Alberta, is that where it was? | ||
| Or Alaska? | ||
| Where was it? | ||
| Prince of Wales? | ||
| This last one, like we showed that clip, that was Alberta. | ||
| Alberta? | ||
| Are you eating these bears? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Oh yeah. | ||
| No, I eat everything I kill. | ||
| What does it taste like when you eat this big old bear? | ||
| Chicken. | ||
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No. | |
| No. | ||
| Bear, you know, bear, I've had really good bear. | ||
| And it used to be... | ||
| So, like, if you have a bear that's living on berries and you get up there in the mountains and you kill it, it's going to be really sweet meat because it's eating blueberries or whatever else. | ||
| If you have a bear that's coming in to bait and, like, some people bait down here just with meat scraps or whatever, might have maggots, it's probably not going to be that good, you know? | ||
| But those bear in Alberta, mostly there's just grain is what we're putting out there. | ||
| Little bear cracks. | ||
| So those bear are really good. | ||
| I don't know what it tastes like. | ||
| It's more like, it's fatter meat, maybe more like pork, but it's good. | ||
| What are they eating for the most part? | ||
| Like what's their diet consist of in Alberta? | ||
| Man. | ||
| Whatever they can get a hold of? | ||
| A lot of grass. | ||
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Vegetation. | |
| A lot of grass. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It depends on the time of the year. | ||
| But they'll take some oats over grass any day. | ||
| Yeah, I watched this episode of Meat Eater with Steve Rinella where he went for these fall bears that were fattening up before they would hibernate, and they were eating berries. | ||
| They were eating blueberries. | ||
| And it was incredible because as he was cutting this bear open, you see the fat is actually blue. | ||
| It's got like a blue tint to it from all the berries that this animal had been eating. | ||
| And he said it was just unbelievably good. | ||
| Good. | ||
| Yeah, I know. | ||
| And that's, you know, you get those huge black bears or if they're eating fish, like in Alaska, if they're down where, like on Prince of Wales, they can eat a lot of fish that come in. | ||
| And those bears are huge because of all that protein. | ||
| I mean, just it's all about their diet and they get giant because they're eating solid protein all the time. | ||
| But those bears aren't as good from fish for whatever reason. | ||
| They taste fishy? | ||
| I don't know about fishy, just not as sweet. | ||
| Yeah, because I've heard like diver ducks. | ||
| There's two types of ducks for folks who don't know. | ||
| There's ducks that eat vegetation. | ||
| There's diver ducks that go under the water and eat fish. | ||
| And those kind of taste like shit. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| No, it's probably the same with anything. | ||
| You are what you eat. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| So if you're getting to eat a person, make sure it's a vegetarian. | ||
| Yeah, there's Steve Ranella with this blueberry fat bear. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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This fat is just like a berry. | |
| It's almost half liquid at room temp. | ||
| If you read old accounts from like pioneering Alaskans, I mean not even that long ago, even back in the 1950s, everybody would want to kill a big fat bear in the fall like this on berries. | ||
| They didn't have butter and oil. | ||
| And they would kill these bears. | ||
| Take the fat. | ||
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Just to lay by a winter's worth of butter and oil. | |
| Wow. | ||
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I shouldn't call it butter, but you know, something to substitute is butter. | |
| You can just spread the fat. | ||
| Once you cook it, you can spread the fat. | ||
| You know, another thing that's unfortunate is everybody can't do that. | ||
| Because there's literally not enough game for everybody. | ||
| If the entire country went hunting... | ||
| Yeah, they're not going to either. | ||
| Just like I said, when I started writing about my hunts in the mountains, even people that thought they wanted to do it didn't want to do it. | ||
| I mean, yeah, not everybody wants to do that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's hard work, man. | ||
| It's hard work. | ||
| I enjoyed it very, very much. | ||
| But I'm not scared to work hard, and I like new experiences. | ||
| So for me, it was very exciting and invigorating. | ||
| But I could see someone who's a bitch who couldn't handle it. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| No, there's nothing easy about carrying all your gear, all your survival gear, trying to get an animal. | ||
| I mean... | ||
| Sometimes, I've been on hunts even now that are so tough, I wondered, how have I ever killed anything with a bow? | ||
| It just seems impossible to get in bow range and make a good shot and recover the animal. | ||
| It's just so tough. | ||
| Rinello was telling me about this moose that they shot where he had to carry it. | ||
| They did nothing but go out to this moose, cut it up, and carry it back for three days because it was like a nine-mile trip. | ||
| So they would go to camp, they would get up in the morning, go hike out to where the moose was, take pieces of the moose, put it in their packs, and then walk back. | ||
| And they did it for three days in a row. | ||
| And he said he wasn't right for two weeks. | ||
| He said his body was just broken down. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| No, that's... | ||
| You earn everything you get out of the mountains. | ||
| They'll get it out of you one way or another. | ||
| Most people are just not going to experience that. | ||
| It's unfortunate, but when you do do it, the people that do do it, one of the thrills of it is that most people are not going to experience that. | ||
| No, but I think you should be able to respect it. | ||
| That's the thing. | ||
| It's not saying you need to do it, but man, it's not too much to ask to respect what it takes. | ||
| Do you find that people disrespect it? | ||
| Well, I just think that they minimize. | ||
| They're just thinking like, oh, you know, do you think you're a big man from going out and killing? | ||
| You know, I get anti-hunters who post on some of my videos or, you know, from killing an innocent animal. | ||
| It's just like, no, you don't even get it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's a weird thing that people love to say. | ||
| They love to say that, you know, you're killing an innocent animal. | ||
| There's nothing innocent about being an animal, by the way. | ||
| You know, animals are living by the wild. | ||
| I mean, that's what they're doing. | ||
| There's nothing innocent about it. | ||
| It's probably the least innocent thing that a living creature does. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| If they have to kill to survive, any animal will. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, that's... | ||
| That's what it's about. | ||
| Yeah, and by the way, they'll run you over with those fucking antlers. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| They'll make a charge of you and run those fucking things through you like a shish kebab. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| No, I know. | ||
| So I just think... | ||
| So that's kind of why I like videoing the work and the effort and all that because you don't necessarily have to do what I do, but just respect it. | ||
| And that's the thing. | ||
| I mean, I don't show all that to try to get respect, but I just want people have an easier time with bow hunting for whatever reason because it seems like it's harder. | ||
| They'll easily say negative stuff about rifle hunting because they say, oh, you don't have to be close or you can shoot from 400 yards or whatever. | ||
| But with bow hunting, for whatever reason, we get a little more of a pass because it is difficult. | ||
| So, and rifle hunting is hard, too. | ||
| I don't want to say rifle hunting is easy because it's a whole different deal. | ||
| You're hunting in, there's more competition with the rifle out there, so you're competing against other guys. | ||
| The animals have been hunted a little more, so they're a little more wary by that time of year. | ||
| So rifle hunting is still tough, and those guys have my respect as well. | ||
| But just for the general population, it seems like bow hunting. | ||
| And bow hunting is cool right now. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, it's gaining in popularity. | ||
| Is it really? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| What do you attribute that to? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Cameron Haynes videos online? | ||
| It's all me. | ||
| I did it all. | ||
| I mean, from Hunger Games. | ||
| Is that what it is? | ||
| Well, it's just kind of cool. | ||
| And then I get a lot of emails and correspondence from young guys who want to be more badass, so to speak. | ||
| And bow hunting, I mean... | ||
| Shooting a bow is just cool. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know? | ||
| Well, for folks who don't even want to shoot anything, they don't want to kill an animal, you might be a vegetarian, whatever, you might just be fine, John Hackleman-style, going to the supermarket and buying your steak. | ||
| Nothing wrong with that, but I really love archery, and I've rediscovered it. | ||
| I did it when I was a kid. | ||
| I was in the Boy Scouts, and I enjoyed it then, but I never really got into it. | ||
| I just did it a few times, and I always thought it was fun. | ||
| But, man, since I picked up... | ||
| This bow, I guess I got it about a couple of months ago. | ||
| I really enjoy it. | ||
| I just enjoy shooting targets. | ||
| It's really fun. | ||
| Because when you're concentrating on that target, you're not thinking of nothing else. | ||
| It's very difficult. | ||
| You're trying to be steady. | ||
| And when you're trying to be steady, there's something zen in that. | ||
| In that Zen activity, there's something that's cleansing or something. | ||
| I mean, I don't know what it is, but in order to really be accurate with a bow, it requires so much discipline. | ||
| Yeah, it does. | ||
| And that's, you know, getting out, shooting a bow. | ||
| I like getting out in the summer, shirt off, listening to music, just by myself. | ||
| I usually go by myself. | ||
| And just, you know, there's something about watching an arrow arc and drop into the target. | ||
| And that's just... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| It's powerful. | ||
| It's relaxing. | ||
| It's zen-like, you know, like what you mentioned. | ||
| And I think people see that. | ||
| And then you look at the bows and the bows look cool. | ||
| You know, everybody, they're, you know, you'll get into it also, but your arrow is like your signature. | ||
| So everybody has their arrow and it's got their colors. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| And it's got, you can get custom wraps on it. | ||
| So I have wraps that say fear is a liar and fletch that say beast mode. | ||
| And so your arrow becomes... | ||
| If you walk in some place and you're shooting with other guys, everybody's looking at your arrow. | ||
| It's just kind of cool. | ||
| You can customize. | ||
| People, they see their bows and they take a lot of pride in how their bow is set up. | ||
| Everybody believes that their setup is better than the next guy's for whatever reason. | ||
| People get so invested in archery. | ||
| It's just powerful. | ||
| Like I've said before, bow hunting has changed my life. | ||
| I went from From a kid who had no direction, basically, to now I know exactly what I want to do and who I want to be. | ||
| And it's, you know, allowed me to get on, talk to Joe Rogan here in LA, bow hunting. | ||
| Is that, that's just, I mean, that just seems crazy to me. | ||
| So it's, uh, it's, it's just a powerful deal. | ||
| And you're wearing an Under Armour shirt, man. | ||
| Under Armour sponsors you. | ||
| I mean, they make your shirts. | ||
| They do. | ||
| Just that alone. | ||
| You're in an Under Armour commercial with a wolf. | ||
| Yeah, no. | ||
| Under Armour, they've been my longest sponsor, and I think they told me I'm their longest tenured professional athlete. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah, nine years. | ||
| That's incredible. | ||
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How did you get involved with that? | |
| It was actually, we were at SHOT Show, like, so 10 years ago, I think. | ||
| And I walked by their booth and they had, there's a picture of Randy White. | ||
| He was wearing Under Armour and they had it in their booth. | ||
| He's standing out there with a bow. | ||
| You know, Randy White played for the Cowboys. | ||
| Super Bowl MVP. And he had this bow and I'm like, I'm like, dang, he looks like a monster. | ||
| He's like 50-some years old and just veins everywhere, just a stud. | ||
| That caught my attention. | ||
| I'm like, so I talked to Eric Crawford was the guy's name at the booth there, and I'm like, so how come you guys are here? | ||
| You know, I thought you were sports, you know, just, you know, football and baseball, things like that. | ||
| They go, oh, we're getting into hunting. | ||
| And all they had was like the green or the brown, just tight hunting. | ||
| We're hunting just that first layer. | ||
| And I said, Oh, that's cool. | ||
| So it just kind of, he had seen me, I was editing this magazine called Eastman's Bowhunting Journal, and he'd got the magazine. | ||
| So he knew who I was. | ||
| So just kind of started from there. | ||
| I signed on with them and their hunting line now is huge. | ||
| Yeah, there's a commercial that I make fun of when it comes on because it's so silly. | ||
| There's all these athletes, like there's this woman who's like a professional skier, I guess, and there's all these different athletes doing all this athletic stuff, and then there's a Duck Dynasty guy with this big fat moon pie face, and he's looking around, and they're talking about athletes, and he's blowing his duck off. | ||
| I'm like, that's not an athlete! | ||
| Dude, that's Willie. | ||
| You can't... | ||
| Who's Willie? | ||
| The fat guy's Willie? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You can't make fun of him? | ||
| I think that's like against some sort of law. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| I just did. | ||
| He's a fat fuck and he's got a big fucking dinner plate face. | ||
| He's big boned. | ||
| He's fat. | ||
| That dude's fat as fuck. | ||
| That dude couldn't go hunting with you. | ||
| He's sitting around waiting for ducks to fall out of the sky. | ||
| But it's just hilarious that when his fat moon pie face comes on, no disrespect, that's when it says... | ||
| That's what it says. | ||
| It's like they say the word athletes, that we make clothes for athletes. | ||
| Like, come on, man. | ||
| I know. | ||
| They didn't call me for that. | ||
| They should call you for that is what I'm saying. | ||
| Do you think America is ready? | ||
| I mean, look, we have this Duck Dynasty show, right? | ||
| So it's a reality show, which is... | ||
| Let's be honest. | ||
| It's not really a reality show. | ||
| It's scripted. | ||
| There's fake scenarios. | ||
| But the premise of the show involves hunting. | ||
| And I think that's fascinating. | ||
| I think the show is ridiculous. | ||
| But I like the fact that it's a hugely popular show, and the show's about hunting. | ||
| And I think there's a real hypocritical attitude that a lot of people in this country have because of the fact that food is so readily available, because it's so easy to just go to the supermarket and buy food. | ||
| People say, well, why would you want to get it yourself? | ||
| You must be a cruel person that wants to go out and shoot animals. | ||
| I think even though it's a baby step, a show We're like a Duck Dynasty type show where you see these guys that are hunters and it's a hugely popular show where 16 million people watch it, whatever the hell it is. | ||
| That's good because that's slowly starting to integrate. | ||
| It's okay because it's ducks and people don't really have as much of an affinity to ducks as they do to Bambi. | ||
| A deer hunting show would be a little bit more problematic. | ||
| They need to do a show with you, dude. | ||
| This is what I'm getting at. | ||
| A show with you. | ||
| Tell them. | ||
| Out there. | ||
| I'm telling them right now. | ||
| They're listening. | ||
| Trust me. | ||
| There's a lot of Hollywood people listening to this show. | ||
| Shows have been made because of people being on this show. | ||
| That would be a... | ||
| There's that fat moon pie face. | ||
| Back that shit up. | ||
| Look at this. | ||
| Come on, son. | ||
| Look at that big fat face. | ||
| You are not an athlete, man. | ||
| Willie's a stud. | ||
| He's not a stud. | ||
| Look at that. | ||
| That's a fat man. | ||
| He's not a stud. | ||
| You're a stud. | ||
| That's a fat man. | ||
| I know you're being nice, but you've got to cut that shit. | ||
| He could be a stud. | ||
| He's got the potential inside of him, but he's eating fucking Cheetos and moon pies. | ||
| His dad... | ||
| His dad, on that show, on Duck Dynasty, he was an athlete at, I think, Louisiana State or something like that. | ||
| But his backup, he was a quarterback on the football team, Willie's dad, Phil, and his backup was Terry Bradshaw. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| That's fascinating. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's interesting. | ||
| But how come Phil's all angry at the gays? | ||
| He's got real problems with the gays. | ||
| Yeah, he does. | ||
| Whoa, there's all these gays. | ||
| See, right there. | ||
| How good was Phil Robertson at football? | ||
| See, he was a stud. | ||
| Yeah, at one point in time. | ||
| Now he's a gay basher. | ||
| He's all angry about gays. | ||
| Gotta let go, Phil. | ||
| They don't care about you. | ||
| You shouldn't care about them. | ||
| But, you know, as far as me being on the TV show, so... | ||
| Nice segue and change gears. | ||
| I like how you did that. | ||
| That's professional. | ||
| That's how a good man in the media would do it. | ||
| No, so I have to turn in a contract today for a reality show. | ||
| Do you? | ||
| Here in LA. Really? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's one of the reasons why you're here? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Okay, well talk to me about it afterwards and make sure they won't fuck you over because things get tricky in the world of reality TV. Yeah, well this is just for the pilot. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Either way, if you sign on for the pilot, you sign on for the rest of your life. | ||
| I have a friend who they asked him to do a reality show and fortunately for him, he has his own business and he's doing well. | ||
| But it was his girlfriend's idea. | ||
| She wanted to do this reality show. | ||
| And he read the contract, and he calls me up on the phone. | ||
| He's like, listen to this shit. | ||
| It's like, they own my likeness for a life. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, they own him for, like, what they're realizing, because of all, you know, like, from Survivor to Fear Factor, all these shows on, is that they've realized, like, Fear Factor, Michael Yeo is probably the only person that I know of that became famous because of Fear Factor. | ||
| And Michael Yeo is a comic, and he's on E! Really, really nice guy. | ||
| But you're famous. | ||
| Yeah, but I was famous already. | ||
| I wasn't really famous already, but I was on a sitcom. | ||
| And I don't know who Michael Yeo is. | ||
| He's a very nice guy. | ||
| He's a comic. | ||
| But my point was that, like... | ||
| I guess I certainly became more famous because of Fear Factor, but Fear Factor really didn't make too many stars. | ||
| But some of those shows made stars. | ||
| Some of these reality shows, whether it's The Bachelor or, of course, the singing shows like American Idol made a lot of stars. | ||
| So they've realized that there's... | ||
| There's potential money to be made once you're on that show, they make you a star, and then you're a business, you're a brand. | ||
| Well, they want that brand. | ||
| So they are some unscrupulous producers and networks. | ||
| They have these all-encompassing contracts that are insane. | ||
| Like you're on this show and then they fucking own you. | ||
| And they can use your likeness until the day you die. | ||
| I mean, they own you forever. | ||
| And it's insane. | ||
| And people are like, I'll take it. | ||
| I want to be famous. | ||
| Like they'll do whatever they can. | ||
| And so if you went and did something else, say if you did that and the reality show takes off and does well or doesn't do well and then gets canceled. | ||
| And then you wind up doing something else and that becomes it. | ||
| They still own you! | ||
| The first guy still owns you. | ||
| I got the contract over there, you need to look at it. | ||
| You need to get a lawyer to look at it. | ||
| It's a tricky business, this world of reality TV, and they look at people as commodities, and they look at reality as being... | ||
| Flexible. | ||
| So their version of reality is not really reality. | ||
| I mean, they're calling it reality shows, but a lot of what you're dealing with is these people that were involved in fiction. | ||
| They were involved in, like, sitcoms or dramas or what have you. | ||
| And they're producing reality TV now. | ||
| So they engineer it. | ||
| It's all fake. | ||
| Like they have fake setups, fake scenarios. | ||
| I had a problem with the show that I did for SyFy where an editor put a fake scene in. | ||
| They took a video, they added sound to the video, and they said that a listener or a podcast listener had sent this video in. | ||
| Total lie! | ||
| Complete fabrication. | ||
| I found out about it, and I went fucking crazy. | ||
| I had a shit fit. | ||
| I couldn't believe it, because especially my show was all about trying to find the truth. | ||
| It was about Joe Rogan questions everything, except this fake fucking video, apparently. | ||
| But it's standard. | ||
| It's what they've always done. | ||
| They do it because they think it makes a better... | ||
| They call it creative license. | ||
| They think it makes a better show. | ||
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Mm-hmm. | |
| It doesn't make a better show. | ||
| They don't have to do it. | ||
| They just need to follow Cameron Haynes, the bow and arrow, hunting for elk. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| What would we call it? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Let's do it off the air because someone will fucking steal our idea. | ||
| Off the air, we'll come up with a way to do it with you. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| You've got to be careful, though, man. | ||
| Don't get in bed with the wrong cats because... | ||
| This is a sneaky town, you know, and they know, oh, look at this nice guy from Oregon. | ||
| He's a sweetheart. | ||
| Hillbilly. | ||
| Probably tells the truth all the time. | ||
| Poor bastard. | ||
| He's probably honest. | ||
| We'll eat him alive. | ||
| Yeah, out there hunting and everything. | ||
| No, no, no, go hunt. | ||
| We got your contracts, whatever, whatever. | ||
| Don't worry about all that. | ||
| We'll take care of you. | ||
| We'll take care of you. | ||
| I think that'd be a great show. | ||
| I've said that about Steve Rinella's show, too. | ||
| Steve Rinella's show, in my opinion, is the best hunting show on television. | ||
| Meat Eaters are a great show. | ||
| And it's a great show not just because it's a hunting show. | ||
| It's a great, you know, quote-unquote reality show, but it is a real reality show. | ||
| He got charged by a grizzly last night, the episode that I watched. | ||
| They were in the woods, and they were actually bear hunting, and a grizzly mother with her... | ||
| Cab? | ||
| No, what do we call them? | ||
| Cubs. | ||
| Cubs charged her. | ||
| And charged them. | ||
| And it was fucking crazy. | ||
| You see this giant grizzly running through the bush at them. | ||
| It's like, whoa. | ||
| Yeah, that's intense. | ||
| And the narration, you know, Steve is a really well-read guy. | ||
| He's very intelligent and articulate, so it's fascinating. | ||
| And he's an introspective guy, too, because the way he looks at these scenarios and life itself is really interesting. | ||
| And him, you know, just talking about grizzly bears and talking about... | ||
| It becomes an interesting show outside of the fact that it's a hunting show. | ||
| You could have a good show even where the kill is secondary. | ||
| This is it right here. | ||
| Back it up so you can see it before she runs at them because it's kind of fascinating. | ||
| She was circling around towards them and they started getting nervous. | ||
| So, were they grizzly hunting? | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Yeah, but they didn't want the female, obviously. | ||
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Yeah, they're trying to spook her. | |
| Spins away, and Callahan says, I'll never forget, I want to get him a t-shirt with him and his mustache, and he says, Smell us now, lady. | ||
| Smell us now, lady. | ||
| That's the sentence that comes to Callahan's mind the minute a grizzly bear changes his mind decides not to maul him. | ||
| What he's referring to is, as she cuts, She gets like a downwind direction, you know? | ||
| And so Ryan's saying, like, now the wind will carry my odor to realize that we're people and we shouldn't be messed with. | ||
| And so what he yells is, smell us now, lady! | ||
| Which came kind of our, it's like the meaty, the rambling, crying out. | ||
| Seems like she would have known from the rifles going off, too. | ||
| Well, yeah. | ||
| Well, she heard it as she was running. | ||
| She was probably breathing and growling and everything. | ||
| She probably didn't know exactly what it was until it was too late. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They get pretty tunnel vision about protecting... | ||
| I think these shows, there's an element of reality in a good hunting show that would be fascinating on regular television. | ||
| And these shows, a lot of them, they're on the Sportsman's Channel, the Outdoors Network. | ||
| What channel is your show on? | ||
| Outdoor Channel. | ||
| Yeah, outdoor channel. | ||
| And so these channels, a lot of people don't go to that area. | ||
| For me, it's like 600, 605, 604, 606 on DirecTV. | ||
| And a lot of folks don't go to that area unless they're looking for Mexican porn. | ||
| That's like a few channels up. | ||
| That's 606, isn't it? | ||
| That's 618 or something. | ||
| Well, there's some Fox Sports. | ||
| There's Fox Sports 2 or something like that. | ||
| It's up there as well. | ||
| Some sports channels are up in that area too, but it's just a weird area of the dial, and I think it's unfortunate. | ||
| I think that's the untapped area. | ||
| I don't want to say this for Hollywood because these same fuckheads who make fake scenarios are going to come in and ruin it, but a show like Meat Eater or a show following you around elk hunting with a bow... | ||
| There's so much drama and reality in that without having to add bullshit. | ||
| Someone's got to do something like that. | ||
| I mean, Meat Eater does, but someone else could do it too, where you make a pledge. | ||
| There's going to be no lying. | ||
| There's going to be no fake shit. | ||
| This is all real. | ||
| And it's great. | ||
| Real emotion. | ||
| Real... | ||
| Real providing. | ||
| I've had that pitch to me recently about just showing, because not only the training for the hunt, but the camaraderie, getting out there like the challenges I do for my bow, giving back. | ||
| That is all part of the story. | ||
| And yeah, we're killing an animal at the end, hopefully, maybe not, because a lot of hunts end with no kill. | ||
| But just the whole journey. | ||
| It seems like it would make good TV, but... | ||
| Steve shows a lot of hunts that have no kills. | ||
| I like that. | ||
| I like that he keeps it real like that. | ||
| I hate that expression, though, keep it real. | ||
| God, that expression's beaten up. | ||
| That is a beaten up expression. | ||
| But having that ethic, because he had a mountain lion hunt. | ||
| They didn't even see a mountain lion. | ||
| They went for nine days, didn't see one. | ||
| He had a recent elk hunt, saw a bunch of elk, never got close enough to get a shot at one. | ||
| And, you know, I think that's important, man. | ||
| I think it's important to show people that this is, it's called hunting. | ||
| It's not called shooting. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You know, here we're going to shoot animals today. | ||
| Come on, watch us. | ||
| People think that you drive out in a truck and Drinking beer or whatever you do and just see something and just shoot at it. | ||
| That's definitely not my hunting. | ||
| Well, that is the problem that the public opinion of hunting faces is the ignorance. | ||
| Well, Hollywood helps that too. | ||
| Does it? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like that scene in Wolverine? | ||
| Is that what you mean? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So, I mean, they're showing supposedly hunters out there. | ||
| They shoot this, I think it's actually Wolverine, as he was an animal, but shoot him with a poison pod arrow, which I don't even, I've never even seen a poison pod arrow, but so... | ||
| He has poison on the arrow, shoots him. | ||
| He turns back into Hugh Jackman or whatever. | ||
| And then he goes and he wants to... | ||
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What? | |
| Are you serious? | ||
| I think you misread it. | ||
| There was a bear. | ||
| Oh, was it? | ||
| He found the bear. | ||
| Oh, was that what it was? | ||
| Yeah, he didn't turn into a bear. | ||
| No, well, I thought it was... | ||
| You're confusing the shit out of people, man. | ||
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Okay. | |
| How high were you when you were watching this, man? | ||
| No, I was on a plane, actually. | ||
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Oh, okay. | |
| So I was probably in and out of sleeping. | ||
| But the point was is they got this arrow out of the bear... | ||
| I guess. | ||
| And he went, he found the hunters, they were at the bar. | ||
| And they're drinking at the bar and he went in there and, you know, shoved the poison arrow through the leader's hand. | ||
| And it's just like, so it's just showing hunters as the bad people. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| And it's just like, that doesn't help anybody. | ||
| I've never been to a bar after hunting and definitely never used poison arrows. | ||
| It's just like, it's perpetuating that stereotype. | ||
| Well, yeah, and not only that, the way you shoot it, the poison wouldn't even get to them. | ||
| It would blow right through them, poison being the arrow on the other side of town. | ||
| Yeah, right. | ||
| No. | ||
| It's not even an effective way to transmit poison. | ||
| You know, you've got to get into the bloodstream. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, when you're shooting a missile through a bear's body, it doesn't work that way. | ||
| Yeah, that is, you know, look, these are Hollywood stereotypes. | ||
| These... | ||
| Classic black hat villains. | ||
| It's just so easy to do. | ||
| It's just lazy. | ||
| Yeah, that's all it is. | ||
| I think people just have the wrong idea. | ||
| Having a show that would show that success on elk with a bow is around 10%. | ||
| So it's like 90% of the guys out there pursuing elk with the bone arrow are failing and it's it's not guaranteed it is really tough showing that struggle and that's why i mean that's one of the reasons why i train the way i do i don't want to be in that 90 you know my goal is to be successful every single year so if you do what the average guy does you're going to fail nine times out of ten if you do more than the average if you do more than anybody else or the the standard Then maybe you'll have more | ||
| success. | ||
| And so, as it is, I kill my bull every single year. | ||
| And it's just, I think, it's not because I'm any better, it's because I just work harder preparing. | ||
| Well, you've become better through hard work. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You've become better with knowledge, you've become better with training, with fitness, with preparation, with arrow shooting. | ||
| You shoot arrows every day, right? | ||
| Yep, yep. | ||
| So it's just, you know, But if people could see how difficult it really is and see that, you know, like we did film in Australia where we have no food, we have no water, it's 120 degrees. | ||
| Drinking piss. | ||
| Drinking piss. | ||
| I think, you know, that would make compelling TV because they're like, wow, this is a lot different than I saw in the Wolverine movie, you know? | ||
| And I don't know. | ||
| I think... | ||
| I think it'd be not, I don't know, I think it'd be important to get out there because hunters are the number one conservationists there are in sharing that story. | ||
| Yeah, I agree. | ||
| And, you know, some people find that contradictory. | ||
| It's like I had a conversation with someone when we were talking about people. | ||
| And I was saying, well, okay, if you could only, you know, if you only hunted, like, one person a year, but the rest of the people, you made sure you fed them and you took care of them, they got great education and took care of their environment, made sure the streets are clean, would it be okay to go out and hunt one person? | ||
| Right. | ||
| You know, people were like, fuck no! | ||
| And so, like, when you apply that to animal hunting, it's, for a lot of people, that's sort of the same sort of feeling they have. | ||
| But what they don't understand is, as the apex predator, people don't like to think of us as the apex predator, especially if you're a vegetarian or if you're an animal rights lover. | ||
| But... | ||
| There's a war going on between all life forms on this planet. | ||
| We are just so far ahead of the other animals that we forgot it's a war. | ||
| And we forgot that we have these POW camps in our cities. | ||
| We call them zoos. | ||
| And that's what that is. | ||
| Those are prisoner of war camps. | ||
| That's what we dominate this planet. | ||
| And the reason why you can get out of this office and go walk down the street and not worry about getting mauled is because we paved this motherfucker and we killed everything that can kill us and we made sure that anything that comes in, we call the cops and they send helicopters and they fucking circle the area with a flashlight until they find that cat and then they tranquilize it and they get it the fuck out of here. | ||
| This is our domain. | ||
| And you don't like to think it's our domain because you don't have to do any of the work. | ||
| But the reality comes into you full force If you're alone in Idaho with a bow and arrow and you get circled by a bunch of howling beasts and they're trying to take the elk away from you. | ||
| It comes real clear then. | ||
| Fuck yeah, it does. | ||
| We are the apex predators. | ||
| Whether you're a predator or not, the human animal is the apex predator. | ||
| And as that, we have to be the stewards of the land. | ||
| We have to manage this whole situation. | ||
| And that includes managing predators. | ||
| It includes managing game animals. | ||
| It includes the whole kit and caboodle. | ||
| And that's what hunters are. | ||
| That's what hunters' dollars do. | ||
| They put that hundred of the grassroots out there, feet on the ground, making it happen. | ||
| And if you don't do that, you know what the other option is? | ||
| You've got to pay someone to go kill these animals, which is even more ridiculous. | ||
| Because then you have to take taxpayer money away to go take animals that are made out of food and you've got to kill them. | ||
| These are animals that people could have paid to go kill and then enjoy the food themselves. | ||
| Now you've got to hire what they're doing in the Hamptons. | ||
| Have you heard about that in New York? | ||
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No. | |
| They have a massive deer population. | ||
| So they're hiring snipers. | ||
| They're trying to figure out what to do. | ||
| They might spend money on, ready for this? | ||
| Strap in. | ||
| Birth control for deer. | ||
| They're talking about spending hundreds of thousands of dollars to give deer food with birth control in it to keep them from breeding. | ||
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Crazy. | |
| They're made out of food! | ||
| Yeah, there's plenty of people who would like to go and help them control those animals and pay to do it. | ||
| Well, the problem is that it's an urban area. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And they've let it get so out of control that the surrounding areas where you would have a safe area where you can hunt, especially bow hunt... | ||
| You can't do it. | ||
| It's so crazy. | ||
| They're going to have to hire snipers. | ||
| They're going to have to figure out a way to... | ||
| You don't want hunters roaming around the Hamptons. | ||
| I wouldn't mind you doing it, but the average Yahoo, the average dude, you find out he can go hunting in the Hamptons. | ||
| I don't know, man. | ||
| I think you should have to have a black belt in hunting to go hunting in the Hamptons. | ||
| Yeah, I hear you. | ||
| Even then, I don't know if I'd be really cool with you hunting near a playground. | ||
| No. | ||
| Your arrow misses the mark and goes flying into some kid on a slide. | ||
| Wait, my arrow what? | ||
| Not yours. | ||
| Right, okay. | ||
| You meaning that other guy out there that doesn't know what the fuck he's doing. | ||
| Not you. | ||
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No. | |
| I missed once. | ||
| I bet you did. | ||
| But that's the reality of the situation, is that we're the ones, as the intelligent creatures that can communicate, we're the ones who have made an assessment, we've made a detailed analysis of all the different animals and the numbers, and we monitor them on a yearly basis. | ||
| And folks who don't know, they don't appreciate that. | ||
| I wasn't a hunter when I was young, and I didn't understand hunting. | ||
| And I thought there was something fucked up about it. | ||
| I would say, why would anybody want to kill a deer, man? | ||
| Deer are beautiful. | ||
| I was a fisherman. | ||
| I used to go fishing. | ||
| But that's where it ended for me. | ||
| I can't relate to a fish. | ||
| Fishing for me is like tricking aliens. | ||
| Like they live in this water world that I can't even see in. | ||
| I throw something in there, I pull it out and eat it. | ||
| Like I can't relate to them. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You know, they're running around breathing water. | ||
| Like I can eat you. | ||
| I got no, they don't even take care of their young. | ||
| They're just like, you're, you're, you're on your own. | ||
| Get the fuck out of here. | ||
| Like it's, it was a different thing for me. | ||
| So I can relate to people that can't relate to hunters. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That, and I don't know. | ||
| I think getting down there to the bow shop, and even just like you said, shooting a bow, you don't necessarily have to be a hunter. | ||
| But if you can listen to a hunter and kind of listen to their stories and listen to it, you don't have to go kill. | ||
| But a lot of guys learn a lot of good life lessons out in the mountains, and maybe you can pick up on that. | ||
| I like hanging out at the shop that set up your bow yesterday. | ||
| Or not yesterday, the day before, I think, is the Borac in Springfield, Oregon. | ||
| And it's like a bar with no alcohol as far as listening to stories. | ||
| It's awesome. | ||
| I love sitting on the stool, picking things up from other guys and just hearing stories. | ||
| And you don't have to be a hunter to enjoy that and enjoy firing a few arrows. | ||
| It's soothing. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Well, people that participate in the same sort of discipline, they enjoy that camaraderie together. | ||
| They understand each other in a way that maybe other folks don't. | ||
| You get that from a jiu-jitsu gym. | ||
| You get that from a kickboxing gym. | ||
| You get that from a CrossFit studio. | ||
| You get that from anything that you do where the people can sort of relate to this unusual activity that you partake in. | ||
| And I think that that's something about archery. | ||
| The place that I went to, the archery outpost in Los Alamitos, There's a bunch of people around there talking about, oh, have you seen the new Hoyt? | ||
| You know, they've got a new cam on the Matthews, and this has got, oh, they've got the Bowtech and Sandy, 355 feet per second, and blah, blah, blah. | ||
| You know, all that shop talk, and it's... | ||
| A lot of people are missing that sort of camaraderie in their everyday life because most days, from 9 to 5, you don't get to talk about what you want to talk about. | ||
| You have to talk about what you're getting paid to talk about. | ||
| You've got to talk about what your job entails. | ||
| For most people, they're trapped. | ||
| Trapped in this world like, you know, unfortunately, you said you are. | ||
| I didn't say that. | ||
| Get this reality show, brother. | ||
| Get cracking. | ||
| You'll be right up there with that fat moon pie face guy. | ||
| On TV. Sounds good. | ||
| No ducks, though. | ||
| Just elk. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Bugling elk and arrows. | ||
| And bears and cool stuff. | ||
| Cool stuff. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Mountains. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Dude. | ||
| Listen, man, this has been a really fun podcast. | ||
| I enjoyed it very much. | ||
| Thanks for having me. | ||
| We've got to do this again. | ||
| Yeah, definitely. | ||
| For sure. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| And keep me posted on this reality show and keep us posted. | ||
| And if it actually does come off, we will promote the hell out of it, man. | ||
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Promise. | |
| All right. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| So if anybody wants to find Cameron online, it's Cameron Haynes on Twitter, but he don't use that. | ||
| So you got to find him on Facebook. | ||
| He uses Facebook, but Facebook goes straight to Twitter. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's one of those, you don't even know your Twitter password, do you? | ||
| It's somehow magic, yeah. | ||
| Somehow a magic connection. | ||
| I had my buddy Colin set that up for me. | ||
| Well, they can probably reset it. | ||
| I'm sure they can reset it for you. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But you should get on Twitter too, man. | ||
| Twitter is a great resource. | ||
| I'm on Instagram also. | ||
| Oh yeah, that's right. | ||
| And great photos on Instagram, by the way. | ||
| You put a lot of cool stuff on Instagram. | ||
| Very inspirational. | ||
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Thank you. | |
| You're an inspirational guy. | ||
| I love your story. | ||
| I love your ethic. | ||
| I love what you're... | ||
| The philosophy that you take in this life, and I really truly believe what I said, that what you do is inspirational and it creates action. | ||
| That inspiration, it makes people do things. | ||
| It gives them the energy and the enthusiasm to go out and accomplish things on their own. | ||
| And I think that's what life is all about, really. | ||
| We're all in this together. | ||
| And I think that we all benefit from each other. | ||
| We benefit from fine examples of other human beings. | ||
| And I think you're an excellent example of a human being. | ||
| And it's an honor to meet you, sir. | ||
| Oh, thank you. | ||
| Oh, thanks for having me, Joe. | ||
| Thanks. | ||
| And let us know. | ||
| And when you're doing a show on the Outdoor Channel, what is it? | ||
| Well, I've been on Team Elk. | ||
| Team Elk? | ||
| That's where I've been appearing. | ||
| But I've had a number of people approach me about doing my own show. | ||
| And so we're just trying to get that hammered out in addition to these reality shows that want the hardcore hunter character. | ||
| So we'll see what happens. | ||
| Probably nothing will happen. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| Something will happen. | ||
| Don't say nothing. | ||
| If you want something to happen, it'll happen. | ||
| We're going to help you make it happen, man. | ||
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For sure. | |
| Thank you. | ||
| All right, ladies and gentlemen, we'll be back tomorrow with Aubrey Marcus. | ||
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| Tomorrow we will be with Aubrey Marcus, who is the CEO of Onnit.com, and a real psychedelic adventurer. | ||
| We will talk about life, spirituality, and he's a hunter himself. | ||
| We're going to have a good time, folks. | ||
| We've got a lot of cool shit going on, a lot of fun people next week, too. | ||
| We've got artists and comics and Joey Coco Diaz and War Machine is going to be here next week, a.k.a. John Copenhaver, and we're going to have a good time. | ||
| We love the fuck out of you people, and we thank you very much for tuning in. | ||
| See you soon. |
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