Joe Rogan and Mac Lethal dive into the internet’s music revolution, comparing Napster’s MP3 disruption to today’s independent artists thriving via YouTube and organic sponsorships like Stamps.com. Mac shares Text from Bennett, a viral blog-turned-Simon & Schuster book featuring raw texts from his gang-affiliated cousin, sparking Rogan’s playful idea of an audiobook where Bennett reads his own messages. They contrast flawed, relatable creators with polished industry norms, arguing authenticity fuels modern success—whether in podcasts, stand-up (Rogan’s October Ontario Improv shows), or filmmaking. Ultimately, the episode underscores how digital freedom reshapes art, commerce, and culture by cutting gatekeepers and embracing raw human connection over curated perfection. [Automatically generated summary]
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It's a 4K? It's a 4K TV. It's like four times the resolution of a 1080 HD TV. Yeah, they have a code for if you want to get a 50-inch, just type in JoeRogan at 4kspecial.com.
If you haven't seen it, they just sent it to us, and we don't know how to use it yet, so it just plays this one 4K loop that they have, this amazing loop of high-definition moving images, but it's all like Japanese girls and nature, and it's like...
It's too much short attention span for my ADD brain, and I fucking shut down.
I love the fact that 4K shit is becoming consumer stuff, though.
Because once the cameras get in the hands of the people, we're going to be able to make our own fucking feature-length films that look like the shit at the movie theaters.
And his whole thing was when he was younger, there was a movie theater which he now owns, and I believe it's in Inglewood, like a rundown part of Inglewood, and all he did His mom would just send him to the theater and all he did was watch blaxploitation films.
When he was like six years old.
Over and over.
So they just played kung fu movies and blaxploitation films at this theater.
And that's all he did.
And that's why he has co-opted that kind of style.
It's very fascinating how he kind of regurgitates it into his films.
But he relates.
He, on a very deep level, relates to black people, I believe.
It might even be a mechanism for him to process emotions or something.
If that makes sense.
Maybe there was a certain character in some of these old blaxploitation films that when he would talk a certain way, he felt like he could convey what he was feeling.
So he would adopt that in order to do that himself.
I don't watch many of those, but I will say that you want that kind of glossy...
Film look.
It just, it conveys a different message.
I don't know, like, those consumer camcorders, they're just, you know, everybody had one when they were a kid, and they tried to make fucking short films, like me and my friends did, and they just looked like shit.
You could never quite capture the life that you wanted to.
It's also a weird thing that it's kind of been established, that visual quality, the visual quality of film, it's like what we go to expect when we sit in the movie theater.
We want to see a film.
Right.
I'm getting into watching a lot of older movies lately.
I watched the Steve McQueen movie, Le Mans, the other day.
Oh man, it's really interesting because it's almost like a snapshot of the time.
It's not just a film.
It's almost like it's a film that shows you how people lived back then, like how they walked around and acted because a lot of the movie, like the first 10 minutes of the movie has no dialogue.
Like, I try to always be cool and be like, oh, I'm going to watch, you know, this fucking old 1972 French movie and then I pop it in and it's just, dude, five minutes in, asleep.
I mean, there's something to be said about modern cinema.
You were thinking of the Throw Mama from the Train one, but it wasn't Throw Mama from the Train, because Throw Mama from the Train was that old gross lady from Goonies or something like that.
Yeah, they say that Marky Mark has some professional boxing experience, but there's a way that people throw punches when no one's ever punched them.
And there's a way that people throw punches when they've actually known how to box.
And they're totally different.
The way that people throw punches when they're not worried about being punched back, they have this open, wide, I'm fucking gonna kill you sort of a thing.
Whereas if you watch Daniel Day-Lewis, he threw punches like a boxer.
They say that the acidophilus bacteria, the acidophilus flora, It actually fights off.
When you contact something with your hands, the acidophilus flora is an aggressive flora, and it's on your skin, and it actually will keep other things from infecting you as easily.
There's more E. coli living in your gut than there have ever been people, ever.
And you have to have that.
Not only do you have to have that, you have to have a series of different kinds of bacteria inside of you.
So when you take antibiotics, if you take antibiotics on a long scale, If you take some hardcore shit, they tell you you always take acidophilus when you're recovering from that.
They want you to take in healthy bacteria and try to repopulate your gut.
We have this isolated idea of the human body that it's just a one, but it's an ecosystem.
Like, your body relies on a bunch of different shit to stay alive in you.
I think your body gets used to being around other people.
They've shown that people who grow up in households where the parents are really obsessed with cleaning, those kids a lot of times develop allergies easier than kids who grow up in a house with two cats and two dogs.
As usual folks, I've done no testing on any of these theories that I'm throwing out there.
There's a lot of third world countries that are below the equator that have a lot of people that are infected with hookworms and none of them have asthma or allergies.
And there was a guy that had this like debilitating asthma and He did a research on it and found that hookworms, if you're infected by hookworms, will prevent asthma.
And he went to Malawi and walked through a fucking latrine and tried to infect himself with hookworms, got infected, and it cured his asthma.
And then he tried to start a company selling fucking hookworms to people.
If you go around New York and, like, especially if you're in a helicopter or anything where you get to look down and see the water or look over the bridge, it's dirty as fuck.
I mean, and no one is trying to fix it.
No one is saying, like, what we really need to do is make this water crystal clear so our children can swim in it.
The FDA classified his kits as pharmaceuticals and told him he was under investigation.
He then fled the United States.
Apparently, though, people that purchased the hookworms that came from his body were having trouble administering them because they would try to inject them into their veins.
We had this infectious disease expert on the Joe Rogan Questions Everything show, and he told me that people in, when you come to tropical countries, he said everybody has something.
Everybody's infected with something.
He was explaining all these different diseases that we're not exactly sure about, like when they talk about toxoplasma and different parasites and all these different things.
He's like, 100% of the people that live in these places are infected with something.
You're going to have, you know, the amount of moisture there, the heat, the carcasses are going to rot, and just, you know, all the things that feed off of carcasses, and the diseases, infectious, airborne, da-da-da-da-da-da, in the water, blah-blah-blah-blah.
Just, I mean, they have fucking, they have parasites that swim up your dick.
Last podcast, Joe, I was freaked out about it because we talked about it so much, but then all the shit that people sent me on Twitter, now I'm just like, oh man, there's two sides of it.
And so they don't know, and honestly a lot of it is theoretical, they don't even know where it is right now because it's melted through its containment hole.
Okay, so we did a tour in South Africa, and we were driving from Cape Town to Johannesburg, or driving, no, driving around Johannesburg, and there is a guy, pretty much every 20 miles or so, that is employed by the state, that walks around with a whip, and he whips baboons off the street because they fuck with people's cars.
Baboons are little fucking thugs, man.
They'll break into your car and take all your CDs and break them and piss all over your car and fuck your shit up and just leave it there.
They do it on purpose.
So they pay a guy to walk around and whip baboons to keep them out of people's cars.
But my point being that when there's less people that are clogging up the world, you're not constantly being slowed down everywhere you go by a high volume of people, I think you appreciate them more.
Do you feel that there's an overabundance of Maybe, kind of like what we were talking about before the show, not to say any names, but creative people that are getting in the way of maybe people that have a genuine voice.
You know, we were talking about a specific example of a comedian that we know that sucks, that somehow or another has carved out some sort of a small life in Hollywood while being incredibly bad.
I think those are rare.
It's rare.
I think most people that actually get through and, you know...
You might not enjoy them.
It might not be your style.
There's a lot of music that's not my style, but other people fucking love it.
There's that weird pretentious thing where you go, no, it fucking sucks, period.
It might suck to you, but to someone, the Smiths are the greatest band ever.
What we're describing is people that somehow or another get jobs as writers that aren't funny at all.
And I've seen it, man.
I've seen it on large scale.
And you know what happens a lot of times?
It gets really weird.
Like, sitcom writers, they have teams.
And so it'll be one guy who's the really funny guy, and the other guy's the guy who bounces shit off, who doesn't talk that much.
But they work as a team.
Because the one guy who's the really funny, creative guy is kind of dysfunctional and can't really do it on himself, can't type or something like that.
And so they have these two men teams and they're monsters.
And it happens a lot.
We have these two men teams, these guys start out together, but there's one guy who's really talented.
I did this pilot way back in the day.
I had a development deal to do a show.
And there was these two guys that worked on a very successful sitcom.
And this guy branched off on his own, separated from his partner, and got this fucking deal.
And it was a giant deal.
It was millions of dollars.
I mean, he was the guy.
And so the people that gave me this development deal wanted me to meet with him.
So I go into Homeboy's office.
First of all, he's wearing bowling shoes.
Which is a bad sign.
Because those bitches are not comfortable.
So it's one thing if you're wearing, you know, you like wearing high top Converse and you're 90 years old, you're eccentric.
But at least they're comfortable to wear.
If you're wearing bowling shoes, I assume you're trying to be wacky.
See, my biggest fear is, and I can't talk about the network or anything, but this is obviously getting optioned into something, and one of my biggest fears is being afflicted with shitty writers.
Which is fine, because maybe this particular person, whoever they decide to choose, or people, will actually produce a teleplay that's amazing and take what I've done.
But I'm also worried that then it's gonna come back and it's gonna be a piece of shit and it's gonna take all the heart and soul that I put into it and just make it sterile.
I think, honestly, that's what everybody gets on the internet.
I mean, it really is what it is.
The things that have become successful from the internet, like your videos, are all things that you've created on your own and they've found their audience.
And that's really what someone needs to understand.
Like, you got to be famous from the internet.
You got your, I found out about you, from your work.
From your mind, then pushed out to the universe.
And you put it together, you filmed it, like this pancake wrap thing that everybody knows about.
It just got to the point where I had to just start hammering screwdrivers like half and half orange juice and vodka because I kept fucking that part up.
But I found that the internet is, you know, in particular, like what Google is doing right now, trying to destroy network TV with Google Fiber.
I found a couple years ago, and where this is all from, where Bennett is coming from, is that we're kind of all as artists, Taking control back and You know like you do with this podcast what I do with my videos what I did with my blog and we Create all this shit that they you know the suits will try to take and repackage for networks And I think that the thing with Louie is they let one through that didn't have to go through the filter of all the Executives
and the suits and that's why it's so fucking awesome.
Yeah It's because they said, alright, we're just going to let this guy do it.
Oh, that's, well, that's one of the things, like, in one of the projects I have is I'm very certain that it's gonna have to go through a fucking focus group.
Of course.
I've never had that happen to anything I've ever done.
No, quite honestly, if something's good, they like it.
I mean, that's the reality of focus groups.
People don't like it.
They like to say, well, you know, fuck a focus group.
But if you got a good product, the focus group is most likely going to like it.
The problem is you shouldn't have to do it that way.
The way you develop a show, it's like the way you develop anything.
It's like you create it, you put it out there, you get feedback, you work it and tweak it and you continue.
And when you start out, it's not going to be the same thing it is a year from now or six months from now.
You're going to get it together.
For me, there's a whole process from the beginning of coming up with a bit and then what the bit actually becomes in six months.
And if I had to judge it based on the first time I ever did it on stage, most bits would probably never make it.
They would die off.
They're just not ready.
And when you're on a television show, everybody wants the beginning product to be the final product.
And it's not.
It takes fucking forever.
Go watch the first episode of The Sopranos.
It was a comedy.
It was a comedy.
It was a slapstick, over-the-top comedy where Edie Falco had a fucking machine gun and her daughter was trying to climb into the window at night and she's out there with an AK-47 pointing it at her.
he was on mad TV yeah look I think it's hard to get someone to be willing to let you do your thing and put it on TV but that's the only way it's ever going to be your thing It's something you have to go through.
It's just hard to do it on a place like FX. But you could do it on Vimeo.
And you're doing all this by just pressing the lube machine and making noises with a hair dryer, and for people who are listening to this at home, going, what the fuck am I listening to?
And basically I used this thing called Apogee where I could plug it into my phone and record an acoustic guitar and then I made a lot of noises with my mouth and just looped them, whistled, harmonized with the whistle and then I did a song over it.
And I just have found that in 2013, it's not enough.
Especially if you're not going to get radio play and you're not going to get on MTV. If you want to stand out, you have to use new forms of making songs.
Use technology, hair products, whatever it is.
You have to do things that are pushing the envelope.
And we've already done everything.
We've already written every song we can possibly write with all the instruments that we have.
So what I'm trying to do is incorporate pancakes or incorporate my iPhone or incorporate hair products, whatever it is that's going to push the envelope and make it stand out a little bit more.
Because I'm from Kansas City, so I'm 20 minutes away from Topeka, Kansas, where the Westboro Baptist Church is.
And we've experienced for our whole lives the Phelps family, the Roper family, always protesting, you know, like if a soldier dies in Afghanistan and they have a funeral for him, they will protest it and say that God is the reason that it happened because America is a fag-enabling country.
So Sandy Hook happened, and all the children were executed, and they were gonna go out there and protest the fucking candlelight vigil for all the children that were shot in that tragedy.
So I made a song, but see, I'm very stern and austere, and I don't like to make songs if I feel I'm benefiting off of a tragedy.
It has to be completely genuine.
I was getting ready to have a baby in two months.
So it was just something that I really connected with.
And I kind of had that idea laying around of using my phone and the whistle and the guitar, so then I just put the lyrics over it.
And I actually, one of the greatest accomplishments of that song is I met and I'm now friends with Megan Phelps Roper, who is the most outspoken of the Westboro Baptist Church up until about a year ago, where she decided that she no longer agreed with the ideals she was indoctrinated with and left the church and is now exiled from the church.
She argued with Kevin Smith a lot on Twitter and made a lot of YouTube videos and websites to promote the Westboro Baptist Church and everything they stand for.
And she wrote me a very, very long email that said, I just wanted to know if you would forgive me and I wanted to apologize to you for anything that I ever said.
And she never said anything about me.
But she saw that video and just said it hit home and I miss my family a lot and I've been exiled by them and we've developed a friendship over it.
And now she's...
On kind of a mission to find out who she is and what she thinks and what she feels, but she knows she doesn't agree with the family.
If you leave their ideals, they fucking exile you.
She hasn't talked to any of her family in like a year.
There's children right now that, if they're protesting, which I'm sure that they are, have signs that say, you know, American troops dying is a blessing from God because America is a fag-enabling country.
That takes place in Independence, Missouri, which is 20 minutes the opposite way.
That lady that speaks in tongues, the weird chick that has the camp.
I don't remember what her name is.
She has the curly hair.
She's kind of frumpy and she'll randomly start going, speaking in tongues.
She's in Independence, Missouri.
That's right up the street.
We have the biggest...
Population of evangelists and where I live and that's maybe one of the reasons why I stay because I'm not around a bunch of like Progressive creatives.
I'm around against very volatile Non-tolerant people intolerant people and that's why you stay it's maybe one of the reasons because I feel like it fuels Some of the stuff that I do and I'm in a different environment than a lot of musicians and writers are So it gives you a different perspective.
Well, I think because of the internet, we've talked about this on the show many times before, that I think there's pockets of cool people all over the place.
What were they exposed to as they're developing, as they're becoming a human being?
What made them think that this is something to aspire to?
If you grow up around a bunch of Fred Phelps-type characters, you can really fuck your perspective.
But nowadays...
You're getting so much more input.
This woman, I'm sure, had a lot of it had to be fueled by her media appearances and the feedback that she got from that, but a lot of it had to be fueled by the internet itself.
Small town kids all across America that get to listen to podcasts now and read blogs and get to watch documentaries on their computer and be turned on to something on Twitter where they never would have had access to that.
This was nine years ago as of three days ago, September 7th, 2004. And up until that point, I was...
Blindly faithful.
I just believed.
Because that's what you do in Kansas.
That's what you do.
You go to church and you believe in Jesus and atheists are weird Satan worshippers.
That's how I feel.
I lost my mother and I think what that forced me to do, and this is We didn't have a whole lot of internet access for the information that we do now, but what it forced me to do was just confront the idea that religion exists solely predicated upon the idea that people are afraid of death and no longer existing.
And because we have no ability to explain what has happened up until this point.
And, you know, history becomes very murky the further you go back.
they cured me they cured me of Catholicism I went to first grade Catholic school and it was just so crazy I knew that that that was all bullshit I knew they were all out of their mind I didn't want to have anything to do with Catholicism before that my parents broke up when I was a little kid and I was very insecure when I was like five my parents broke up and we were still living in New Jersey at the time all of a sudden we were in an apartment we weren't living with my dad anymore my dad was really violent it There was a lot going on that was really bad.
And so I was really religious as a small boy.
I thought that God was going to take care of everything, and that would be the secret.
God would take care of everything.
I don't know who else was telling me that.
Probably my grandmother or something.
Well, I went to a Catholic school.
Our Lady of Chesterhova was the name of the place.
And it was so fucking nasty and joyless.
And they were so evil that I knew it was bullshit.
I knew it was all lies.
This woman who was the nun was such a fucking wretched cunt.
She helped me so much and just giving me no way out of it.
It was no way but to abandon it.
She was so nasty and shitty and I just got to see the machine underneath what she was promoting.
Like, what you're seeing when you're having a psychedelic experience, it doesn't mean you went to another dimension, even though it feels like another dimension.
It doesn't mean you're talking to intelligent entities that give you the secret of life and the secret of happiness.
It doesn't mean that.
But...
Whether or not you really are or are not traveling to other dimensions when you're on psychedelics, the experience is exactly the same.
So it really is as if, whether or not it's true, but it is as if you are traveling to another dimension and interacting with intelligent beings.
And intelligent beings that give you truth and honesty and see through all your bullshit and see through your behavior and can explain How to live this life in a happy way to you.
And if you listen to them, it actually works.
It doesn't mean it's not a figment of your imagination.
It might be.
But the point is that even if it really is just your imagination, there's no difference in the actual experience itself than if it was really happening.
But do you think that because when people talk about like when I smoked DMT the one time that I did and it was Spellbinding.
I mean fucking when you talk about going to another dimension you really do and I don't think it's it's like a figment of your imagination I just think you enter parts of your consciousness that you are unable to access unless you're unless you do hallucinogens.
I've come to the understanding that there's a lot of people that try to define psychedelic experiences and they try to say, well, this is what's happening.
A lot of them are really intelligent people who are skeptics and they're debunking the psychedelic experience.
I've come to the realization that no one knows.
No one knows and no one will know, unless we have a much, much, much deeper understanding of the actual human mind and consciousness itself.
When they start having the ability to transport consciousness into other external devices like an artificial body or something like that, things that people like Ray Kurzweil believe we're going to be able to do someday, then maybe they'll have a deeper understanding of what exactly the psychedelic experience is.
But until right now, what we know is there's some chemicals, they pass through the brain-blood barrier, and then this really unpredictable pattern of images and experiences and feelings come up, and we don't really know what it is.
But we do know that those experiences also happen when you're about to die.
We know that those experiences happen in people that are going through near-death experiences.
I've always wondered if that's what a near-death experience was, is maybe the body thought it was going to shut down permanently and released all the DMT and then maybe revived, but you still get to experience that.
One thing I will say about psychedelic experiences, and I've heard you talk about this before, is invariably they always take me and...
Guide me and hold me over any issues that I have in my life and it's like a fucking giant magnifying glass.
The last time I ate mushrooms was about three years ago and I had some some issues going on with I felt like I wasn't working hard enough and I wasn't treating some of my friends and contemporaries with enough respect and I ate mushrooms and within like 10 minutes it was on an empty stomach I was having terrible fucking panic attack.
And, you know, some people call it a bad trip, but I think it's actually a good experience because it was necessary and therapeutic for me.
Invariably, this happens.
And if I have no issues going on, I don't necessarily feel that way.
And when it's done, it's like getting off of a roller coaster.
You just kind of feel euphoric and relaxed.
You come out with a different peace of mind.
And I've always...
Anytime I've ever done them, I found any issues in my life that I had, I could resolve in a healthier way or at least had a better perspective on them.
Well, I have a friend that was very heavily for seven, eight years addicted to Oxycontin and tried to kick 30, 40 different times.
Didn't work.
So he went down to St. Kitt's and did ibogaine therapy and And what I've heard about ibogaine in comparison to even DMT or acid is it fucking digs, excavates everything that you have from when you were a child even.
Everything that you have.
The deepest, darkest shit that you have buried Covered in cobwebs and it brings it all out and it resets your body and people will come away not only not addicted to painkillers, but he stopped smoking cigarettes, stopped drinking caffeinated beverages, stopped eating any artificial sweetener or corn syrup and just experienced a very Terribly painful memories from his childhood and it almost cleansed him out entirely and That's what ibogaine does is it essentially
resets your entire existence on a physical mental and emotional level and So many people are you know, of course, it's illegal here, but so many people are being saved from opiates and other addictive substances with it Yeah, it's really kind of stupid.
And we're trapped by influence of the people with money that want to continue making money.
So they've stopped a bunch of things from being available.
And psychedelics being a big one because they're so consciousness changing.
And they can affect...
They can affect so much of the system, whether it be financial, whether it be political, governmental.
When you incorporate something that can radically change consciousness almost instantly, like your friend immediately kicks cigarettes, kicks oxys, becomes this different person.
Those type of radical shifts, you apply them to a population, and the number one issue that you're going to have is you're not going to be able to lie to those people as easily anymore.
The first time I ever ate a pot brownie, it was one of those ignorant experiences where you eat one and you're like, you know, an hour goes by and you're just kind of like, eh, this is kind of mellow, so you eat another one.
And then two, three hours later, your fucking eyes are dilating.
We've talked about it ad nauseum on the show before, but in the interest of people that have never heard it before, There's a chemical called 11-hydroxy-metabolite.
It's produced by your liver when you eat pot.
It's five times more psychoactive than THC. It's a completely different experience, and it's not available to you psychoactively when you smoke it.
So that's why, like, I've given brownies to people before, and they go, dude, this was fucking laced, man!
There's something else in here, man!
No, that is what happens.
It is what happens when you get a hold of an edible marijuana product.
Because I know that people have done MAO inhibitors, and they've taken them with ayahuasca to try to up the effects, or with mushrooms, or different things to try to up the effects, and it's disastrous.
Yeah.
Like chemical, pharmaceutical, MAO inhibitors.
Because, you know, ayahuasca is a combination of orally active DMT, which becomes orally active because of this thing called harmine, which is an MAO inhibitor.
It's really an incredible chemical concoction that they figured out how to do in the Amazon, where they take the leaves of one plant and the vine of another and they combine the two of them because monoamine oxidase, which is MAO, kills DMT in the gut.
So when you eat it, normally it gets squashed before it ever gets into your blood system.
But this stuff is an MAO inhibitor, so it inhibits...
That shit is, you know, that's even more dangerous than, like, opiates or meth, because if you quit those two abruptly, any benzo, I think it's benzodiazepine, Is that how you say it?
Yeah, classically, substances like that make better music.
And then in certain cases, when artists sober up, their music always suffers.
In a prime example, I'm not trying to shit on him, but Eminem used to be on a lot of like drugs and mushrooms and made like some amazing shit and then he sobered up and he started becoming like a fucking long distance runner or something.
I think there's an issue with human beings where there's a wild recklessness that enables a certain amount of creativity to happen and then you also get a bunch of success and then you lock yourself in and you separate yourself from society and you become more disconnected and then you sort of hide from people even more and then the extent of your social experiences shifts.
Things become very different.
It happens with a lot of rich comics.
Their social experiences shift, and then they take less chances, and something that you really have to fight off.
I really enjoyed doing that show and sci-fi was really awesome to work with.
They're great people and I really like those guys.
The real problem with doing that show is unless you're talking about a real subject like transhumanism, like the idea of technology replacing human bodies and things along those lines, or infectious diseases, something that was real that we actually could study, then you're talking to the same type of people.
Right.
If it's not easily disproven, it's at the very least marginalized fairly quickly.
Like, there's things that cannot be disproven, like alien life, which I believe in.
Not only do I believe in it, just because a lot of people think that I didn't believe in it from doing that show.
They were like, you know, oh, you know, you fucking, you think you're above it, you don't even believe in aliens, you know how stupid that is?
Like, that's not true at all.
I absolutely believe that there could be alien life out there.
I absolutely believe it's most likely alien life.
In fact, Neil deGrasse Tyson, when he was explaining Infinity...
And this was such a mindfuck.
But he said, infinity is so enormous that not only has everything on Earth in its exact order has happened on another planet somewhere else in the universe, but it's happened an infinite number of times in the exact order.
That's how big infinity is.
Then infinity literally has no end.
So if it can happen here, and if these words, these stumbles, these ums, these you, uh...
These have taken place in the exact same order, the exact same movements of my head.
And you're like, I don't even know what the fuck you're drawing.
But they say that that's what their calculations have sort of revealed, is that most likely every galaxy has a gateway to another universe inside of it.
So imagine knowing all this and having the will to have this type of infinite imagination for what the universe is and then being told that Earth is 7,000 years old and to get your clothes on because we're going to Sunday school.
Yeah, and the thing is that all those people, they can be cured too.
If you separated them all and got them all, here it is.
Venezuela's Jurassic Park Right.
and brought them around, people that they trusted, that had been experienced and removed from it, and someone who could tell them, "Listen, man, you've fallen into a bad pattern.
"You're wrong, you're wrong.
"God doesn't hate fags.
"There's no such thing as a fag." There's gay people, there's straight people, there's humans, and everybody has a different...
There's a reason why your hair is red, and this guy's hair is black.
They think that, you know, a talking snake in a fucking tree in a...
A woman and a man who ate an apple and then there was, you know, the best part about the Bible, I'm not sure how many times you've read it, but we have Adam and Eve and Cain and Abel and then it jumps like a couple hundred years and it never explains all the fucking incest that had to have happened in order to get to that point.
Because if you start with two people who have children, I mean, how else are they going to breed humans?
Protecting your kids from things that made you awesome.
GTFO, man.
Brian, pull this up because there's a bunch of crazy photographs.
It says, out of the oil emerges Venezuela's Jurassic Park.
Yeah.
Yeah, that's it.
I mean, this is a really small sample that these guys pulled up.
These paleontologists have found treasures rivaling the bountiful oil, a giant armadillo the size of a Volkswagen, a crocodile bigger than a bus, and a saber-toothed tiger.
Oil company surveys of the soil have uncovered a trove of fossils dating from 14,000 to 370 million years ago.
Many of the 12,000 recorded specimens from the different areas are now kept in a tiny office of the Venezuelan Institute for Scientific Research.
This is incredible.
A strong smell of oil.
Look at that guy holding that fucking skull.
This is amazing.
A strong smell of oil fills the room as this guy opens a drawer of a filing cabinet to reveal the tar-stained femur of a giant six-ton mastodon from 25,000 years ago.
I think they believed that what was going on was that at one point in time, the Earth had a different oxygen level than it has today.
Like during the Jurassic period, before the meteor impact, it was a much richer, dense environment, and I think it made it easier for animals to grow big, and also easier for them to move around.
They're still trying to figure it out because they also have to take into consideration the fact that the bodies could move differently then because the oxygen level was different.
The problem they have with it is they look at the body of that thing and they go, how fucking big is that?
I'm also trying to figure out how it walked because they have that they there's other speculations that they would Walk through rivers and they would use the tail to balance their large You know their heads were fucking huge So they would walk through rivers and then they would go to the land and scavenge.
There's a story of a woman who was, she was a trainer.
She would train hyenas.
And one day, she got a limp.
She like twisted her ankle and these hyenas that had been listening to her and following her directions couldn't resist and just dove on her and grabbed ahold of her calf and clamped down on her.
Took a chunk off of her.
If they see you're limping, they literally can't help themselves.
Or that up to 100 different species alone go extinct per day in the rainforest.
Because there's so many different pods of the rainforest where just an isolated species could be living, like a mutant grasshopper or something, and they go extinct every single day.
The photographer that took the picture, Jose Carlos, has admitted that the tribe has in fact been known about since 1910. He created the hoax in order to call attention to the dangers of the logging industry.
This is really sad cousin because Bigfoot can play basketball and all he could do is be a jockey.
It's, yeah, these, they actually, okay, Sumatra is where they find it.
I think it's very possible this thing is real.
The animal has allegedly been seen and documented for at least 100 years by forest tribes, local villagers, Dutch colonists, and Western scientists and travelers.
Consensus among witnesses is that the animal is a ground-dwelling bipedal primate that is covered in short fur.
And stands between 30 and 60 inches tall.
It's basically the same size.
Orang pendek is what it's called.
I mean, knowing that this animal used to be real as recently as 14,000 years ago and lived alongside human beings really makes me wonder.
It's kind of fascinating.
And again, look, 2005!
That's a blink ago.
That's even, that's, you know, so recent.
There's so much shit we don't know about what was here.
It's kind of weird when you stop and think about it.
You live your life and you're just kind of going on momentum, going to school, graduating, having a family, doing your thing.
And then all around you is this world that has sort of been established and you have this idea of what it is and, oh, you know, there used to be the pilgrims and they came here.
When you really start getting the big picture of how recently we got here, how much change has taken place, how 200, 300 years ago there was fucking nobody here!
A lot of the American Indians before the Europeans came, they were fucking just complete, like, nomadic, tribal people, bows and arrows, wandering around, persistent hunting sometimes.
I'm going to try to say this in a way that's going to make as much sense as possible, but there's a feeling I get sometimes when I get really high and I start contemplating things, especially if I get in the tank.
I get this feeling like something's coming.
I get this feeling like as a society, as a culture, we're going to be overwhelmed by a new version of what we're experiencing now.
A new version of technology that's shaping our lives right now.
But a version that's so immersive and so that it drags us into it and makes us become a part of it so deeply that we may never have a life like this again.
And sometimes I really like take into account the life that we do live.
That you can just shut off your phone.
That you can't just get in your car, turn the radio off, and just hear the engine as you drive up Mulholland and do whatever the fuck...
That might be gone.
There might be a time where Mac Lethal can never disappear.
Well, I think you and I may be a little more in tune to it because we spent so much time using the Internet.
Both benefited from it, being shocked by it, but seeing the experiences, the amount of shit that you interact with because the Internet is so different than our parents.
Well, I have a love-hate relationship with what's going on right now with our culture as far as the influence of very aggressive, progressive people.
Whether it is feminists, like radical feminism, or whether it's...
I'll make fun of that stuff a lot, but there's a part of me that recognizes that what we're seeing, whether it's radical feminism or fighting against transphobia or fighting against homophobia or any of these things, what we're seeing is a culture that's become aware of the imbalances in a way that's never been possible before.
There's a level of communication that's never been possible before.
Massive communities of online people who are Whether they're progressive or feminists or anti-transphobic or transgender supportive, they've formed these aggressive communities that sometimes are a bit misguided in their approach for attacking people for beliefs that they believe, whether it's humor or whatever they feel like doesn't...
I've read this blog where this one person was attacking all transphobic humor online.
Part of me was like, okay, I see what she's doing, or she's trying to expose what she feels is gross behavior, but she's exposing it, and she's saying humor, and she's saying that it's lazy, and it's this and that.
And that's when I got to go, okay, look, everybody's funny.
You know, I'm funny.
My head, I don't have any hair on it.
I used to.
I shaved it.
I have a scar in the back of my head for where I had a hair transplant operation where they take the hair and they put it.
And if you're gonna call someone transphobic because they make fun of certain trannies, there's a fucking guy who's 50 years old, is 6'5", who's playing women's college basketball.
If you don't make fun of that, you're an asshole.
Okay?
And if he doesn't realize that he looks ridiculous being a 6'5", 50-year-old man competing with 18-year-old girls and pretending he's a girl, or, you know, being a female now, I understand that, but The fact that you get a reset, he did all his college credits, he played all his college sports as a male, but then when you change gender, you get a reset, and you're allowed to go in with zero.
That's overly progressive.
It's overly progressive.
And my opinions on, there's a woman that has been competing as an MMA fighter, lived as a man for 30 years.
Well, not only that, there's changes, there's absolute changes that take place, but the science that everyone's trying to quote, like the really super progressive people are like, you know, there's good science to support that you really become a woman, you lose your bone density.
No, there's not.
There's not.
Not only that, the amount of science that you are getting is all coming from either transgender doctors, Or people who are involved in the transgender procedure or monitoring what happens to a person.
There's never been a documented study of taking a male athlete that's been a male for 30-plus years, comparing the skills that they learned as a male, by the way, with a completely different muscle structure, completely different bone structure.
The mechanical frame is different, the shape of the torso is different, the wideness of the shoulders, the size of the hands, the hips, and the reaction time.
The big one is the reaction time.
And this is one that I don't hear people quoting.
There's been a 10%, it's studied, studied 10% variation between men and females.
But in talking about this, I became transphobic to a lot of these super ultra-progressive people.
And that's why I say that I have this love-hate relationship with this idea.
Because I think the love is, I am all for everyone...
I'm all for being able to be themselves.
I'm all for you being whatever you want to be, whether it's transgender or gay or, you know, cross-dressing.
And I have a friend who works with a cross-dresser and he's not gay, but he at work is a woman.
And when he goes home, he changes and he goes home and he becomes a man again and he has a family and everything.
He doesn't want to have a sex change operation, but he wants to wear women's clothes at work and he wants to be referred to as a woman.
And so they work for a big company.
And it's a gigantic corporation.
They allow it.
It's a very progressive company.
And I think that's badass.
Who gives a shit if a guy wants to wear a dress?
I want to wear a purse.
I wish I could wear a fucking purse, but I get mocked.
I think the love-hate relationship that I'm talking about is that people are realizing that they do have a say because of this new electronic media, because of the fact that you can...
We post a blog that starts a debate and exposes people to these ideas.
Here's one of them that's been coming up a lot recently.
And it's that having sex with a drunk person is rape.
What I love about it is, I don't necessarily agree with it.
There's a man named Michael Shermer.
Michael Shermer is a very famous skeptic.
And he's being charged by this other guy who's this radical male feminist.
He's being charged with rape.
In his blog, he says that he has taken advantage.
And the language is very strange that this guy uses to describe the situation.
And he wasn't even told to him.
It was told to someone else and then told to him.
So it's all very sketch.
But the language is that Michael Shermer got her into a position where she was unable to consent and then had sex with her.
I don't know exactly what that means.
What they're implying by all the other corroborating stories is that he likes to get women drunk.
And there was another woman who said that she met him at a party and he kept her wine glass full and she got drunker than she ever used to and she was really embarrassed by that and somehow or another she blames him for the fact that she got drunk.
But they're trying to isolate a pattern that this guy does, which is apparently get women drunk and have sex with them.
And my point is, first of all, there's a broad spectrum of what is drunk.
And if you say that having sex with anyone who's drunk is rape, what if they have one drink and they're kind of tipsy and they get horny and they love you and they're attracted to you?
Is that still rape?
That's bananas.
If it's two drinks, if it's six shots and a beer and you're fucking 100 pounds, yes.
I would say that's rape.
If you're sober and that person's fucked up and you go, hey, don't worry about it.
But I think it's hard to quantify, you know, if they have six shots and a beer, if they have an alcohol tolerance that's through the roof, I mean, how do you discern between what their alcohol tolerance is and how much they can handle?
And now people are talking about it and they're debating it, whether or not it's true.
Well, is that rape?
That's rape?
No, it's not rape.
And in that argument, they force the dialogue, which I think is brilliant.
And it's a legit dialogue, and it's an important subject, because there are people that do drug people and take advantage of people.
But to call any time two consenting adults Dude, this woman on Twitter literally had a campaign and a blog post about it saying that people are sad on Twitter when they found out that they're rapists.
Because they disagreed with her.
This blanket statement of any time, like, even if it's your spouse, why do that if they can't consent?
And what she's saying is, if you're drunk, you can't consent.
It's a fascinating argument.
I don't agree with it, but it's fascinating that it's made people angry, it started this debate, it's got people talking, and that puts the energy on this very real issue.
But another guy had an incredible point, like, how could it possibly be that that's the only time where you're not responsible for your actions is sex?
If I get you drunk and then you decide to get in a car and drive home, is it my responsibility?
If you come over my house and we're both the same age, we drink wine together, and you get in your car and you slam into a tree, did I force you to drive drunk?
If you're a man, no.
If you're a woman, did I? No.
Well, how does...
If we're both drinking and then sex is involved, how are we not both responsible for this situation?
I got adjudicated of two felonies, which basically means I was 17 and not old enough to be convicted of them.
And we were at a party on the first night of spring break at a house party with a bunch of my friends.
I went to an alternative school, so they were a little more edgy, like Mexican and black gangster kids, and we were all there.
There was a car on the driveway and a girl came into the party and said there's two skinheads outside in this car.
So 15, 16 of these dudes went outside and surrounded this car and about four metal TPX bats came out of this garage and they beat all the windows out of the car, jumped on the windshield, cracked it, Got the guys out, beat the shit out of them.
So, there was some, like, SWAT team test mission going on about two blocks away, and they heard what was going on.
So, we're all standing there watching these kids beat the ever-living fuck out of these skinheads, and I don't even know if they were skinheads, but...
All of a sudden, like, 20, 30 cops roll up in bulletproof vests with fucking black fatigues on and machine guns and shit.
Well, here's what's fucked up.
I never laid a single finger on any of these kids and I got in trouble because I had a cell phone in my pocket and I didn't call the cops.
And they called it aiding and abetting.
And that's the same fucking logic.
And I never understood, because our argument was, well, if I would have pulled my phone out to call the police, maybe one of the kids with the bat would have hurt me or hit me.
Because you can't be responsible for keeping track of how many drinks another adult has.
Especially at a party.
If someone's having a party at your house and you're all drinking together and maybe you might not even know but Mike had some whiskey and you didn't see him and he got fucked up and you thought he only had one glass of wine you'd be fine.
I don't think that's aiding and abetting.
I think if you're in a bar I think it becomes an issue.
But I think my point was if you see that they're drunk and then they get into a vehicle and you don't Proactively try to prevent them or try to keep them there.
Personal responsibility for all adults, not just because you're a woman.
You get to skirt it, no pun intended, because the fact that you're a woman.
That doesn't make any sense to me.
If you're at a party and you have some drinks with someone, and someone keeps pouring you drinks, and then you try to accuse them of getting you drunker than you normally would, and you use that as sort of a corroboration that this guy likes to get women drunk, like, man, you've made some fucking crazy leaps there.
The thing I like about it, it does open up this debate of people being fucking creepy and drugging people and treating them as less than humans so they can just shoot loads into them.
These progressive blogs, the free-thinking blog this guy puts it on, they stifle even civil debates so quickly and harshly.
Anybody who thinks that this Michael Shermer guy is being unfairly accused and he doesn't have his day in court and what about his point of view?
You're supposed to be skeptical and yet you've taken this...
Second-hand account of a situation and posting it as evidence without talking to the other person.
And everyone knows that personal experiences and the memories of personal experiences are extremely inaccurate.
Not only that, there's a lot that happens when people sober up.
They start attaching a bunch of remorse and all kinds of other shit to things.
And sometimes people have a psychological ailment where it forces them to cause other people or blame other people for their own shortcomings.
We all know a lot of people that do that.
take into account all those things when you're using a personal account of a situation.
I've learned that the hard way.
I've backed people up before and then found out that they're probably full of shit, you know, later on, like, you're like, Oh, well, why didn't you fucking tell me that?
Like you didn't, you left that out, man.
So this guy, I think fucked up in doing this in a big way, but he did open the debate and the debate is being like really, uh, passionately argued.
I think he's also fucking up and showing why he did it in the first place by stifling any civil discourse on his own blog, calling them trolls and saying they're too stupid to enter into this debate There's all sorts of ad hominem attacks on anybody who has even a civil disagreement.
I mean, the people that they've shown...
A couple people have made videos of this showing how ridiculous the banning of people that disagree with no disrespectful language at all, just banned, you know, from this guy's board.
Everyone is like super ultra supportive.
And then I've looked on other boards and it's entirely the opposite.
Everyone is completely skeptical of this and saying that this is white knight horseshit to the extreme and that this guy's an attention whore and this is not skeptical.
There's nothing skeptical or free thinking about this.
And that this is...
Also a problem with blogging about something is that you're not getting a dialogue.
You're getting one person who gets to express themselves in a rambling, verbose way.
Whereas if you're having a dialogue, someone can have a statement.
And someone can say, well, that's not true because of this.
And then we'll go, oh, I thought that.
No, no, this was actually the case.
And now you've got a dialogue where you're trying to reenact the information as it actually took place.
You're dealing with multiple parties.
That's the only way to get a really accurate assessment of what happened.
And even then it's skewed.
One person will be more passionate.
They'll be better at describing things.
The other person, maybe their memory's not as good.
And it's hard.
It's hard to recreate a situation completely accurately.
And you don't do it in a third-hand account on a fucking blog.
And all these different people, whether I agree with them or not, whether I think they're flawed or not, and a lot of them are flawed, and I'm flawed too, but this input and these new ideas that are encouraging all this debate and all this discussion...
I think it's amazing.
I think it's one of the most amazing events in our entire history.
There are major record labels that would pay, that look at my YouTube channel as just an invaluable resource.
That would pay millions of dollars to be able to get the amount of subscribers I have because they can't do it.
Because people aren't interested in them.
People aren't interested in these huge record labels or these huge entities that produce, you know, homogenized, generic music anymore.
And it's really rebellious and...
For example, Russell Simmons just launched a YouTube channel called All Deaf Digital, and he's essentially throwing millions of dollars all over the place to try to beef up his internet presence and be a part of this.
And I don't think he's going to be very successful doing it.
And the early 90s when he could promote in New York City and wheat paste flyers and posters to walls and throw parties.
And he doesn't understand the Internet and how it works.
And, you know, the Internet requires a lot of humility and patience and constantly evolving and constantly engaging in dialogue, creative dialogue, being free thinking.
And I don't think that people like that understand that.
There's a place called Wyandotte County in Kansas City.
And it's like this kind of like white trash, lower middle class area of Kansas.
It's a very odd place for them to do this.
But this is where they've beta tested Google Fiber and everybody in the county has it.
And essentially what they're doing is for $150 a month they connect their fiber cable to your house and you get a thousand megabyte per second up and down.
You get 700 something original YouTube channels that are directly accessible by your television and then you get all the network TV channels and a phone.
And essentially what they're trying to do is topple over network TV. So about a year ago, Google threw like 70 billion dollars at like 700, 800 different people to create original content on YouTube.
Pharrell Williams, CNN, all these different people got these billion dollar investments and they said, make us new content.
Make us content that is gonna shut down cable TV. And that's what everybody's doing right now.
So, it's a fucking very fascinating and very exciting time.
You're gonna be able to use your Samsung Galaxy and fucking film Game of Thrones Season 5. I mean, it's on.
It's on.
And that's what I love about all of this.
When I was coming up, I knew that I was maybe a little too weird, maybe a little too different to ever have a song on the radio.
I don't have the sex appeal that some of these preppy, douchebag rappers have, or I'm not edgy enough or whatever it is.
So I always knew I was going to have to connect with people one by one and build my own empire.
In the late 90s, this was just creating my own music at my house, sending off a thousand dollars, getting a thousand CDs manufactured and selling them out of the trunk of my car.
And one by one, building my own fan base.
Then as the 2000s progressed and the internet got bigger, I realized people are getting online to listen to and find out about new music.
So I jumped on that shit a long fucking time ago.
Never sought out trying to make a radio single.
Never tried to get on a major record label.
I've had major record label deal offers in the past couple years that have turned down because the money isn't good enough.
So, I just always knew that independent music, with the internet, when Sean Parker created Napster and we realized, found out that they could take a very heavy, big-sized WAV file and compress it down to a 3 or 4 megabyte MP3. That was the death of the music business as we knew it then.
There was no way record stores were gonna stay open.
There was no way records and CDs were gonna sell like they used to.
And it was only a matter of time before the internet got more exposure, got faster, people got on new computers and could download music.
And once that happened, it changed the game, completely revolutionized it.
So all these major record labels and all these huge platinum selling artists were completely shut down.
And then people like me had a lane.
And while we're not as big as some of these huge artists, Backstreet Boys or whoever the fuck, people like Immortal Technique, who I know you've had on here...
Or me.
We're able to use things like YouTube to directly connect to our fans.
And that's what's so exciting about Google Fiber is it's making it even better.
We're going to be able to put money into the shit that we do and have fucking big, semi-decent productions.
And we don't have to rely on any major record label, any television network, anything.
Yeah, and as long as you have the people paying attention, that's all that matters.
You're directly connected to them and you don't need them.
You just don't need them.
And that's what I've used YouTube and Facebook and Twitter to do is just get my weird music out there and my weird blogs out there and a lot of people like them.
We're both a part of that sort of thing where people found something that they just liked.
I've done a lot of different things, whether it's Fear Factor or News Radio or the UFC or what have you, but I don't really use any of those things to promote this podcast.
I never have.
This podcast sort of...
Kind of found itself pretty organically.
And that just, you know, I don't know how it happened.
Do you feel that from your days on Fear Factor to now, that you've had several stages of reimagining your image or maybe the people, you've exposed yourself in different platforms so people learned more about who you are.
Because when I used to see you on Fear Factor, I would have never guessed that you would fucking get in an isolation tank and take four grams of mushrooms and think about, you know, all of us having a collective conscious or something.
But then the more I learned about you through YouTube, because you were on YouTube real early, and I would just see these videos and be like, dude, this dude is dope.
And he's into like some cerebral shit.
And do you feel like this has helped people understand you better as a person?
Fucking meathead douchebag making people eat bugs.
I wouldn't want to listen to me talk about anything philosophical or anything that I think of, but...
One of the things about doing something like a Fear Factor where you gain financial freedom is you also gain the freedom to speak your mind because you're not worried about the repercussions.
I always had stand-up comedy and I made money on Fear Factor and then I've always had the UFC. I don't have to worry about speaking my mind and that has allowed me to have some freedom and then doing a podcast allowed me to have a platform where I get to express myself.
People fucking, whatever weirdness No one's perfect.
Everyone has flaws.
We change from day to day depending upon our stress level and what emotional shit we're dealing with, our personal life, our business life, or what have you.
We vary.
We all have a lot of variation in our behavior.
But when you talk to someone or you hear someone talk for hours and hours and hours and hours over the course of X amount of years, you get an idea of who the fuck they are.
You really do.
You really do get...
They can't hide.
You can't hide three hours a day every fucking day.
You're going to expose yourself.
And in that, I think there's never been a vehicle ever that's allowed people to get to know people like they can off of the internet, like they can from podcasts.
You couldn't see their flaws and people gravitated towards that.
And now it's almost like people are more drawn towards people that do have flaws that they sometimes disagree with.
It's like an elevated version of what a rock star used to be because a rock star used to be this ethereal, creative, sexual being that there could do no wrong.
But I think that we elevated beyond that and now people want to know that This motherfucker might say some shit that I'm going to disagree with sooner.
Like Louie, how he can't stop eating and he's chubby and a little out of shape.
And balding.
But that's what people gravitate towards now.
It's like the anti-image.
And that's fucking amazing to me.
That's what I love about all this shit.
Is that we're going above and beyond what people treat as...
I think the idolization and the rock star analogy is perfect because we always thought they could do no wrong.
They are so perfect.
And we always thought like, oh my God, you're starstruck when you meet them.
I can't, I'm not worthy, I'm not worthy.
And then you realize somewhere along the line that that's just a person.
And when you are exposed to all a person's flaws and ups and downs, and you realize there's a very empowering thing to other people about, I love talking about when I was a loser.
I think it's really important.
I talk about like all the times I was a pussy or scared or whatever, Didn't have any courage or had social anxiety or just really had no self-esteem.
I think it's super important to talk about those times so that people can realize like, oh, this isn't a guy who was successful always and always been confident and always, he's different than me.
I can't relate to that kind of thinking.
No, I used to get nervous talking to the bank teller.
I'd get tongue-tied going to the bank, especially when I was broke and I was depositing a $50 check or something like that.
Yeah, no, I think that that's maybe one of the things is as a rap artist, people have connected to my shit because I all talk about, you know, my insecurities or I'll become vulnerable.
And I'm a rapper when that's not supposed to happen in rap music.
Dr. Oz was going to have me on his show because his people enjoyed my pancake wrap.
I also did a Chick-fil-A wrap.
When Chick-fil-A had that whole anti-gay thing, whatever, I did a wrap video where I remade a Chick-fil-A sandwich and used the recipe so people didn't have to go to Chick-fil-A and support their anti-gay causes.
So they hit me up and they were like, we love your food wraps.
We would love to have you on here.
To make like a strawberry banana smoothie or something healthy and promote healthy eating and do like a cool fast wrap and, you know, we'll fly you out.
You'll do it for free because it's great exposure and you'll love it and you're excited about this.
And I'm like, okay, yeah, that's great.
So we book all this travel and get ready to do this and then they cancel it because of text from Bennett.
And because they were just like, we don't want to be affiliated with that.
I'm so happy that guys like you exist, that you've figured out a way to do this, that you've put it all out there, you've got a great message, you're a cool motherfucker, and much love and much success.
One of the things that happened with doing this TV show, I haven't been doing as much stand-up as I should, and I had one rusty set this weekend, Saturday Night Late Show.