Duane Ludwig and TJ Dillashaw join Joe Rogan to break down MMA’s fastest knockout record, referee errors, and the brutal reality of wrestling—Duane’s 55-pound weight cut and Che Mills’ fight nearly destroyed his knee. Ludwig’s Bang Muay Thai system, shared via iPhone videos, trains fighters like Mendes and Benavidez, while Rogan critiques chemtrail conspiracy editing and vaccine debates, citing $2.5B in payouts since 1989. They link overpopulated wild pigs/deer to Lyme disease, praise hyperbaric therapy for recovery, and mock CVAC machines’ elite claims. Ludwig’s adaptable drills contrast with rigid Alpha Male branding, as Rogan highlights Dutch-style combos like Hoost’s left hook-right leg. Ultimately, the episode blends martial arts pragmatism—effective strikes over flashy flair—with Rogan’s chaotic mix of science, humor, and personal anecdotes, underscoring how discipline and adaptability shape success in both sport and life. [Automatically generated summary]
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And this Wednesday night, we're at the Ice House.
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You know, they gave it to you like 10 seconds, but it was really like 6. On the clock it said 4, but the duration of the bout is from the bell sounds until the ref says start, or fight, and until one of the refs touches one of the opponents.
If the crowd's going to boo and make this guy make a stupid mistake or to finally come in or come into our game plan or whatever the scenario may be, then sweet.
You know, I'm an unusual MMA fan in that I've probably seen, like live, I've seen more than a thousand fights and had to call them.
So I've been involved in so many different scenarios, so many fights, watching it play out, like classic, all-time great MMA fights I've had the honor to call.
But I am different in that I like boring styles, man.
I like a dude who takes no damage and smothers guys and just imposes his will.
Like, a lot of people used to give John Fitch a hard time.
I swear to God, John Fitch is one of my favorite fighters to watch.
And people will yell at me, they're like, you fucking idiot, he's ruining MMA. Or Ben Askren.
Same thing.
Ben Askren is one of my favorite fighters to watch.
Like, have you ever seen the videos of the kung fu masters who just throw people through the air with their hands?
Yeah, yeah.
There's a ghetto one.
Where there's this dude, and I don't know what it is, but he's a very ghetto-looking character.
I mean, not just because he's black, but just the way he's black.
You know what I'm talking about?
I mean, the whole thing is, it's a ghetto environment.
I mean, he's not an Idaho, okay?
And he's...
He's throwing these kung fu moves at these people, and he's got them shaking, exaggerated, wobbling back and forth like they're getting hit by a pulse from a movie.
And you're like, what is going on here?
Are they crazy?
Is this mass hypnosis?
Is this just a big scam?
Or does he really have magic power?
Those are the possibilities.
I had a guy on this week's episode of Joe Rogan Questions Everything who said that he can make people fart in church.
He reverses the net.
He was hilarious.
The guy was fucking hilarious.
But he stood there and at one point in time he said he could get me to move back and forth with his mind.
And he tried to get me to I'm not going to tell you if it worked or it didn't work.
It didn't fucking work.
Of course it didn't work.
What the fuck is wrong with you?
Jesus Christ.
I couldn't lie to you like that.
But the dude was convinced that he...
And while he was doing it, I was like, what if I just give in to this guy and start moving?
And I can't believe I'm doing it.
Like, what if it's...
I had to like stand firm.
I had to make sure I'm like, I'm not fucking going anywhere.
This shit is not working on me.
But if you were like a person who is easily led, like maybe the type of person who would join a cult, type of person who like loses themself in another person's influence.
Which is a real psychological dilemma.
The reason why cults work, if you look in the newspaper and you hear about some crazy cult where the guy's fucking all the girls and he's got 13-year-old wives and shit and 50 of them, you go, how the hell did that happen?
We don't know, but it happens.
There's people that just fall under the spell.
So when you see someone doing that fucking crazy cheese shit and making people fly through the air, it's like, wow, what's happening here?
It's one of the things that Eddie Bravo always stresses about certain guard techniques.
They're like, well, I keep doing it, people keep breaking out of it.
Well, when you learn a wheel kick, you don't learn how to nail people with it every time.
Most of the time you're going to miss, you're going to go, oh, this doesn't work.
And then you'll get in there with your Raya Hall or somewhere on that level, and they'll wheel kick you in the face and go, oh my god, this is the craziest technique ever.
It's a guaranteed knockout.
I mean, you're literally hitting a guy with your whole fucking body behind a heel.
Think how hard your goddamn heel is.
People break their knuckles all the time.
You ever break a heel?
No.
You don't break your heel.
It's a goddamn hammer at the bottom of your foot, and it's carrying your body weight around all day.
And the amount of force that you could fuck...
But it ain't gonna work right away.
You gotta learn how to do it.
It's like everything else.
You gotta do the reps until you get to that black belt level at it.
And then, like, there's some techniques that guys can do in jiu-jitsu.
And the reason they can do it, the reason why they go, like, if a guy gets a nasty darse, like, some people get darces and their arms will burn out and they'll never finish them.
Yeah.
But then there's those dudes that have that fucking razor darse, you know, that whoosh, bang!
And they clamp that bitch down and you know you're not getting out of that motherfucker because they put insane amount of reps into it.
And so even though the movement may look similar to someone who's not educated in it, When you're watching it, if you know a guy who really closes off something really good, you go, oh shit.
Like Marcelo Garcia, if you ever watch him roll with his guillotine.
I didn't know anybody could close off a guillotine that quick until I saw him do it.
Uriah Faber has a nasty guillotine.
So does Benavidez.
All you guys at Team Alpha Male have sick guillotines.
It's like you're known for it.
Sixteenth of a second quicker that Marcello will slap it on than anybody?
For those who don't understand what you're talking about, as far as mitt work, what mitt work is is when a guy holds the pads for you and you hit the pads.
Correct.
There's a lot to it.
There's a lot to getting a guy to do it correctly.
There's a lot to getting a guy that does it and making you throw combinations that are realistic combinations that work good or work with you.
A guy who can take power shots to the arms.
Because when you're kicking the shit out of the fucking pads, guys get bad elbows.
That's one thing I have, too, is hyperflexion from just being relaxed and receiving kicks and having my elbows just come back too far and then cross-body and half-guard.
My arms just getting swung.
My last few fights, I couldn't spar because if a punch came, Hyperflex my elbows, they would just swell up and they would just hurt.
The timing and things, it would just slowly diminish because I'm not actually doing the live drilling, the live sparring.
So things just kind of dwindled away in my last few fights.
I just wasn't able to perform to the way I wanted to, plus the passion and such.
I wasn't really there for fighting, so it was just perfect timing.
Obviously, they're partying, and obviously a lot of these guys are coming from lower-income backgrounds, so when all of a sudden they're making millions and millions of dollars, they tend to get a little crazy.
But the after-effects of losing all that excitement, it's gone from your life.
There's very few guys that will transfer from that into becoming really good trainers.
2006 Scion XB with a crack windshield and a hole in the seat.
I never made a million dollars in my last few fights.
I was contracted with UFC, it was like 15 and 15. I didn't win my last couple fights, so I walked away after sponsors like 20 grand and then pay out my percentages.
I never made good money.
I've never broken six figures, so it's a different scenario.
That's why I'm glad I have the passion.
I can live through these guys, you know, in the cage, just watching them.
And, you know, having them win, it makes me feel, it just keeps me still relevant in life, you know.
Yeah, I didn't even mean necessarily, I mean, part of it was their success, making the money, but it was also just that, you know, they're wild dudes.
And then once they lose that ability to get that crazy fix every few months from a fight, it's really hard for a fighter to find something that they can throw their passion into that makes them feel like their life is still, you know, they're still, like, living their life to the hilt.
My dream from a child was to be, not from a child, I guess when I was 15, 16, when I first started Thai boxing, was to fight for K1, be the heavyweight champion in K1. And I never grew that big, so then, and then just doing Thai boxing, jumping back and forth between MMA and Thai boxing, because just Thai boxing, you can't stay busy in America, or you couldn't in any way.
And then K1 created the max, the mid-weight or 70 kilos, 154. And then I actually had on the table at the same time was a K1 contract and UFC contract.
After I fought Genki, that was actually a one-fight deal and they offered me a three-fight deal and then K1 offered me a deal as well.
My dream was always to go to K1 And I went to K-1 just because that was my childhood passion.
But looking back on it now, I wish I would have stayed with the UFC from the get-go.
But, you know, just being stuck in my ways and wanting to do K-1 and go visit Japan, it was just one of those things.
But going back, I wish I would have rolled and wrestled more and then just definitely stayed in the UFC. I'd be making more money now.
I'd be more well-off.
I probably wouldn't be having...
06 Scion, and I'd probably own a house right now.
But on the flip side of that as well, if I did own a house, I could rent that, of course.
I probably wouldn't have taken the job here at T-Mobile and lived through these guys.
So I learned the hard lesson of being a 1099 subcontracted employee.
And I blew my knee out and had like three months worth of pay and a year-long injury.
So I'm like, fuck.
I was kind of figuring out what am I going to do.
And then Uriah just texted me.
He's like, hey, you want to come out and be our head trainer?
And I was like, look at that.
And I started one more surgery to go through.
And I'm like, fuck.
What did you do to your knee?
In my last fight with Che Mills, the first 10 seconds, he did an outside trip and blew my knee out the first 10 seconds of the fight.
So the ACL was completely gone and a bucket handle tear of the meniscus.
So that was gone.
So I'm actually still not 100% healed.
Well, I'm supposed to be 100% in a year and it's almost a year now.
So, maybe it's happening, but it still swells up.
So, I'm not even training or anything.
I just started holding myths for these guys about two months ago.
I like to crank it up really heavy, like put it on, depending on whatever it is, like right below the highest level, and just do 30 minute wild man sprints.
That's what I do, or 30 seconds rather, wild man sprints.
That's what I do if I'm in a hotel room, and I can't, you know, if there's not a gym there, if you just have one of those elliptical machines, you can still get a badass workout.
These guys know they're literally putting their lives online when they step in the cage.
There is a possibility, of course, There's a possibility you get hit by a car when you cross the street as well.
incredibly dangerous job just one of those things but you know i love it man it's uh you know i loved it when i was fighting you know passion started kind of dwindling away so it's just perfect timing like you know things work out for you know happen for a reason whatever i'm learning to believe and understand that this is my own path in my own career although you know there are some things that you know whatever you believe and you know conceive you can achieve kind of thing so that kind of thing like That's 100% true, I feel.
You guys have a really cool camp, and I think one of the things that's really important is what you said about that wrestler mentality.
When they were trying to take wrestling out of the Olympics, So many people were really frustrated and really angry, and people who have never wrestled don't understand this.
I only wrestled for one season, so I'm just talking out of my ass, but I know what it did for me just in one season.
I remember doing that one season of wrestling and thinking, that's probably the hardest I've ever worked at anything in my fucking life.
And I had done martial arts from much earlier than that.
I had been involved in physical things.
I played sports, but I played soccer.
I'm like, this is the nuttiest, most soul-crushing shit.
When you're exhausted and they make you fucking doing sprints, carrying guys on your back, and you're just nutty shit, man.
But if you can get through that, it'll make you an incredibly strong person.
And that's the advantage that the wrestler mentality has.
I always say that if the pyramid of mixed martial arts techniques was ever established, in my opinion at least, wrestling is the base.
Agreed.
And it's not just because of the actual ability to control where the fight takes place, whether standing up or To take it to the ground, whether you're using it Chuck Liddell style or whether you're Ben Askren in it.
The most important aspect of it is the mentality that comes with that training.
I think the weight-cutting aspect of it is a huge tragedy in high school, though.
I really, really do.
I have a friend who was a really good wrestler in high school, and he tried to stay at 128 through his entire career, and he was a fucking zombie in his senior year.
No, that one, I was like, this sport's not ready for this yet.
But I think we had to go through that.
Look, I would have hated to watch it, but I think we had to go through it as martial arts, like as a martial art, which mixed martial arts is, essentially.
I mean, it is the sport most realistic to fighting.
And I think we had to know that that can happen, that these two fucking guys can just circle each other and do nothing.
And so when you get a guy like that, or a guy like Melvin Manhoof as a kickboxer, you get these wild berserker dudes, Matt Vanderlei Silva, you want to watch them.
And so they're worth more money.
And they're going to get booked more, and they're going to get higher plays.
I mean, people are going to want to see that shit.
So I think that...
If you have a boring style, you ultimately pay for it in your career, and that's how it should be.
The market, I think, should dictate how you do with that style.
But if you're a dude like Ben...
Let's say Ben Askren gets to the UFC, which is entirely possible now.
I guess he's a free agent.
And he just mugs GSP. Just gets all the GSP and just sticks his fucking...
Just on his face for five rounds and punches him in the head.
I'd have to watch film with the mindset of coaching against him.
Because there's a difference.
Because I watch film...
And I'll take a film, and it depends, because some film I can watch, or I just go off memory, I already know how to beat the guy, or how I feel like he can beat the guy, you know?
So, I get crazy with fucking watching film.
And so, I'll take a film, or I used to anyway, I used to take a film, watch it sober, boom.
I used to take it and watch it high, just to give me an honest approach, because I am very biased, and I'm there for my fucking guys, 100%.
So I notice that.
I watch fights and I'm like, fuck man, my guys can do this, this, this.
And I realize I'm not watching this with an honest, open mind.
And I watch it on AlphaBrain as well, on it from AlphaBrain, just to get different looks on things.
I have another guy in Colorado, Mike Temple, who watches the fights.
I ask the fighters to watch the fights so I get a whole bunch of film.
I'll make notes, compare the notes, see what we need to work with.
But some guys, I can just watch the film and break it down and know right off the bat.
But...
I'd have to watch Fitch, to answer your question, with the correct mindset of me being coached.
What's a cool fucking journey for me is for me to create a combo or a technique, you know, and show it to somebody, and have them drill it, pull it off the sparring, and then win the fucking fight with that same exact technique.
You know what was really cool is I was just in Boston for a Uriah's fight, and Mark Delagrade handed me out for a seminar, and there's open doors, let me teach the students.
And it's the way, you know, his energy and shit, that was fucking awesome.
And he did a Technique of the Week video, just like you did as well, for my Bang Muay Thai series.
So, you know, that was awesome, man.
I got...
A great group of people around me, like Mr. Rogan, you know, the team of female, and my art design guy, Aaron in Colorado, and my highlight guy, James Blair, who just did my new highlight with the team.
What I do is, each week I send out to my affiliates, I have four to ten detailed video curriculums showing them exactly what drill or technique to do that week.
And each week I take my iPhone.
That's what it is.
I'm not just trying to sell you a banner of my name and put it on your gym.
I take my fucking iPhone, like we recorded the video today, I take my iPhone, I say, okay, I have my curriculum, I have my structured curriculum.
Whatever we do this week, we do that same class in three or six months from now, depending on if it's an intermediate or fundamental curriculum.
But I take my phone, I record the videos, mainly with TJ Dillashaw, I record, okay, this is the drill that you do, boom, here's live, boom, boom, boom.
Now you're going to do this drill five for five or one full round of pieces, depending on what it is and what week it is as well.
But I send them exactly what fucking drills and combos to do that week.
I'm happy I could do what the fuck I want to do right now.
I love life, man.
It's fucking cool.
I got to make the decisions that I want to fucking make as an adult now.
Well, most of the decisions anyway.
It's good, man.
Life's good.
I'm living through these guys.
They're going to get a fucking world title.
It's going to be Benavidez or Chad first, depending on what shot we get first.
I'm going to game plan the fuck out of that, but I'm going to game plan in there and make sure that I'm going to ask them to do what I feel they need to do for the fight.
I'm learning to the point now that when I have a good time like this Rogan podcast where we train or I'm in the fights, I'm learning to embrace that shit 100% as much as I can.
And then when I have a problem or a difficult time, I'm stepping away and looking at that from the sides.
I don't want to be wrapped up in the problems.
I want to look at the problems from the distance.
And we have a good time when I'm in that cage and I'm walking these guys out and I'm fucking holding myths on the podcast.
I'm trying to enjoy this shit to the full fucking potential that I can.
Because I know I'm going to be on this fucking earth for however long I'm going to be.
If I didn't win the fight, I'm going to make this much.
That was a hard thing for me.
In 2004, after I won my second world title on kickboxing, My first world title was MMA with Janz, and then my second world title was a Thai boxing world title.
So once I did that, I completed the goals that I set in my life.
And then from there, things changed.
We could look at just the statistics of my record.
It was boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.
Maybe, you know, a launch or two, boom, boom, boom, boom.
Kicking not everybody's ass, but doing good.
And then at 2004, when I won my second world title, it just went boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.
Well, you know, it just depends on how you look at it.
Well, obviously, right?
Life.
But I just set a goal to win the world title, kickboxing world title, when I was a child.
My first world title was MMA world title.
I didn't complete my goal.
So I went for the world, the kickboxing world title, came around, and I finally got it.
So then that just changed things for me.
I said my goal was too low, basically.
What title did you have in MMA? When I fought Jens Pover in UCC in Canada.
that was his first I think his first fight once he left the UFC that was a quick knockout too right correct yeah yeah that was yeah that was when you were you know you were really super fucking sharp back then really super sharp especially when you're striking yep correct yeah oh you know I was healthy I was enthusiastic everything was good but once I won my second world title you know I just And then I started searching for, okay, I need a certain opponent to motivate me.
Or I need a certain training gap.
Maybe I need to go train here.
I started searching for things.
Maybe money's going to motivate me.
And I started searching for things to motivate me.
Just like when we positioned for the Fastest Knockout to come around, they said no, but you kept helping pushing for me, and then the fans, and then finally Dana White stepped in and was like, okay, no, it's official with the UFC. So...
But as an historian, as an MMA historian, every fight has an asterisk.
Jon Jones has one loss.
Okay, you can call it that.
But he beat the fuck out of Matt Hamill and he was smashing him.
And the only reason why that 12-6 elbow is illegal is because when the Athletic Commission met with Big John McCarthy, they were concerned about those dudes on ESPN at 6 o'clock in the morning that are fucking smashing bricks with their elbows.
So they're like, you can't do that brick smashing move.
That shit's too powerful.
And so everybody's like, all right.
But meanwhile, maybe it's arguable that this elbow is more powerful than the downward elbow.
The downward elbow doesn't seem to have as much weight behind it as a straight elbow.
Watching it in real life, it's like he's doing something totally different.
Everybody's doing one thing, but when he's doing it, it's like he's going through your fucking body.
That Travis Brown, you can't teach that kind of heart.
You can't teach that shit.
That dude has zero give up in him.
It is nothing.
If he had 1% give up in him, a half of a percent, the fight's over.
He literally weathered the craziest nuclear fucking winter storm, you know, solar fucking flares.
He weathered the craziest shit ever.
But because he didn't take it to the head, it was all just about him having the guts and the heart to power through it.
If Alistair hit him with those shots in the head, his body would just shut off.
But because he took him to the body, like, his heart got him through one of the craziest beatings I have ever witnessed anybody survive and then overcome in the same fucking round.
I mean, that was one of the greatest come-from-behind rounds of all time.
Is there a law that if their TV's in the background and you're filming with your cell phone, that that's legal?
Because that seems like when you search Miley Cyrus from MTV last night, and it's only the ones that are people filming their TV. That's a good question.
And that's why I always wondered if people always had a TV behind them to show video clips and stuff like that, because that's kind of like...
Well, I do know that one thing, that if you have a video, like say if you have a video, like a scene from a movie, That that scene from a movie has a digital signature.
They can find that digital signature on like YouTube.
So like a song as well, like a song has a digital signature.
And so they can do a search on that digital signature.
So if this says there's a Paul McCartney Band on the Run, they're playing Band on the Run in a video, they can find that that has Band on the Run in it.
Somehow or another they can do that.
If you take it and you film it with your phone, and obviously I'm an idiot.
Do not listen to me here.
I'm just speculating.
I know nothing about computers.
But from my idiot perspective, I would imagine that it would have a different digital signature.
It would be a different length.
The sound quality would be different.
If you were doing it from a phone, you'd have the ambient noise of the room that you're doing in.
You might have you breathe.
You might fart.
Maybe a lot of shit is on the video.
Some might not recognize it.
But that's just...
I don't even know why I'm speculating.
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Fucking wasted all your time.
There's a lot of people out there going, oh yeah, what Joe Rogan says, it's totally legal because he fought it or something.
That one, I don't know either way, I'm not fucking up there, but there is a difference between the ones that do dissipate right away and the ones that stick around.
Anything that I will say on any, whether it's about fucking air travel or space exploration, anything that I'll say on anything, the caveat that must be stated is I don't know what the fuck I'm talking about.
I have no education on these subjects and I'm merely reiterating things that I've heard people say online.
But I'm super honest about what I know and what I don't know.
I'm fucking as honest as is humanly possible, even if it makes you look like an asshole.
But in that situation, I do know for a fact that when contrails are more likely, there's a map on a NASA website.
You can go to NASA's website and they'll show you where contrails will linger in the sky and where they won't.
In fact, in 1942, the government was doing a research project on what they called persistent condensation trails.
And what they discovered is during various atmospheric conditions, whether there's a lot of moisture in the atmosphere or less moisture, depending on what the conditions are, It will change the length of the contrails that appear behind jets.
And when you burn jet fuel, it creates moisture.
And when you create moisture out of that burning jet fuel and it changes the temperature of the air as it passes through like that, you literally create a cloud.
And so when people are looking at that and they're thinking, oh, the government's spraying us with fake clouds.
It's very easy to think that.
It's very easy.
And this does not mean that they haven't done...
Tests and really unethical things with spraying aerosols from planes.
We know they have.
We know that pesticides are sprayed from planes.
So we're familiar.
We have that archetype in our head of spraying poison.
We've seen the footage from Vietnam where they sprayed Agent Orange to defoliate vast parts in jungles.
We've seen all that shit.
So we're wary of things that are sprayed from planes.
And you should be.
But you should also know that there is a huge difference between that and what you're seeing in the sky on a regular basis.
And when you start saying that what you're seeing in the sky on a regular basis is the government spraying chemicals, you really throw a monkey wrench into the whole idea of them actually spraying chemicals.
Because, first of all, the argument is that they're spraying aluminum and barium.
Again, I'm not a scientist.
I'm half retarded.
Again, took a lot of shots to the head as a youngster.
But the reality is if they did spray aluminum and barium in the sky, it wouldn't linger like a cloud.
It's lingering like a cloud because it's a cloud.
And I know a lot of people have invested a long amount of their life wanting to think that what they're seeing is chemicals.
And so it fucks with you because it's hard to admit you're wrong.
It's hard to change gears.
We all know that.
But in this situation, we have to look at...
There might be times when someone's spraying something from the sky, but the majority of what you're seeing is just a byproduct of a jet engine going through condensation.
And then there's the reality.
People say, well, are they geoengineering?
No, but yes.
So here's the reality.
The reality is, even though it's just an accidental byproduct of jet travel, it does change the environment, and it is geoengineering.
So they're burning jet fuel in the sky above your head.
They're taking toxic fuel in fucking hundred gallon wings full of this shit.
Your wings are filled up with fucking fuel.
And they're burning that shit up in the sky and creating clouds.
Fuck yeah, it changes the environment.
But it's just like...
Pollution changes the environment in LA. When you're driving on the highway, it's not the government spraying pollution, okay?
It's fucking pollution.
It's just a byproduct of human civilization.
And a byproduct of air travel is, A, they're burning jet fuel in the sky, and B, it creates persistent condensation trails under certain atmospheric conditions.
This is the best that I could discern after research and talking to real experts.
But this doesn't, this is where people go, you're a fucking disinformation agent, Joe Rogan's working for the government.
You gotta stop and look at this shit rationally.
If you're wrong about the majority of what you see in the sky, you discredit the possibility, the very real possibility, that things have been done.
Okay, so this is because of atmospheric conditions.
There's a difference between sometimes it rains and sometimes it doesn't.
Sometimes there's clouds, sometimes there's nothing in the sky.
The conditions, apparently, when it's right before a crowd, like it's kind of hazy, those are the conditions that are best for creating these persistent condensation trails.
And people have to understand, these are fucking Southwest Airlines flights you're looking at.
These are unmarked government planes.
Man, do you really know that?
What kind of telescope do you have?
How much research have you actually done?
Or, you're like me, do you just reiterate shit that you learn online?
Well, doing this show and doing the show on chemtrails, more people got fucking mad at me because of chemtrails than anything.
And I take part of the blame for that.
One of the reasons why is because I think they did a shitty job of editing it.
And there's no disrespect, but the way the people edit that show, they have eight hours of footage, they have to slam down into 44 minutes.
And to them, it wasn't important to totally, completely explain what causes a chemtrail.
I didn't have a 100% say as to how the show got edited.
I had say after the fact.
I would voice my opinion.
It would get overruled or they would listen to me.
It varied.
And in this, I lost.
And in this, I think we created a bad product.
I don't think it represented fully the correct full explanation of what contrails are.
Because it's such a complex issue, I think we owed a very complex and scientific explanation.
But the problem is, people think that shit's boring.
Like, what I just said right now, the majority of people listening that would watch American Idol would go, what the fuck are you yapping around?
This podcast is not for everybody, you know?
And this conversation is not for everybody.
But if you want to make a TV show, it kind of has to be for everybody for the network to accept it.
Until it becomes really successful or finds its niche, and then people, you know, like South Park, they can do whatever the fuck they want, you know, because it's a proven product.
If you had another show where you tried to make a cartoon where a gay guy is stuffing Paris Hilton up his ass and winning a slut off, they would go, what the fuck are you talking about?
No, you can't do that.
But South Park is so successful and is so proven in the market that they do that.
But when your show's not proven, it's hard to have your say as to how things get done.
It's a complex dance.
And I don't think we pulled it off.
But it's part of the thing of creating something, like when you're trying to create a show.
I feel personally responsible for it, though, because a lot of people got angry, and I think a lot of that anger could have been avoided.
When I first started looking at chemtrails online, I, too, believed that it was a possibility.
Like, is it possible they're just pulling this off right in front of our face?
They're just spraying the sky?
But then the more you look into it, you go, no, there's photos from 1980 that show these contrails, like long ones that lingered in the sky.
People say, when we were younger, they didn't linger.
And there's also a lot of people that really believe what they are saying.
And it's not because they're assholes.
It's because they lack critical thinking skills.
Whether no one's taught it to them, whether they've ignored them, whether it's the way they were raised, whether it's the environment they grew up in, whether it was the ideas they were exposed to as a young person.
I don't know what has caused the situation that we're talking about, but...
There's a lot of people out there that are thinking in a very piss-poor way.
And I've been one of them in the past, man.
I've believed in a lot of stupid shit in the past.
You know, that I was convinced probably was real.
There's a thing, I always talk about this, a thing called rods.
These fucking, they look like jellyfish that fly through the air faster than you can see.
There's a whole video on them, Roswell rods.
Then I watched a show called Monster Quest, where they showed what they really are.
It's just a video artifact.
Like when you have a camera and it's going on slow motion and something flies past in front of it, it stretches the image out.
It's a blur.
It's a fucking blur.
So I was convinced that these things were flying through the air all around us because I had seen this video.
And I was like looking for them.
Dude, the guy who made this video does not want to admit that they don't exist.
Not only that, he actually showed up at the UFC Expo when I was doing a Q&A and he got in line and said he needed to talk to me about Roswell Roz.
He needs to come on my podcast because they are real and those people on MonsterQuest fucked him.
I don't know how they could have fucked him because they basically showed the same scene.
There was a campfire or a light and a bunch of bugs were flying in front of the light and they set two cameras in front of it.
One of them was an HD super fast camera that they used for like super slow-mo.
And the other one was like a regular video camera.
Well, the regular video camera showed these rods.
They were flying across.
Because it's an artifact.
And if you look at how it's flying across the video, it's not flying that fast.
Like I can see it.
So how can I not see it with my eyes?
But I can see it on camera.
And then the other one just showed it's just bugs.
Yes, if you look at it from the White House in a 44-inch television in the corner where Clinton used to get his blowjobs, from that room, clearly the pyramid has a face on it that looks like the face on Mars.
I rest my case!
And people fucking buy the DVD and call each other on the phone and, dude, there's some shit you gotta see.
There's some man who's dropping some truth.
Some mad truth about the pyramid.
And the next thing you know, you're getting fucking email blasts.
Have you seen this about the pyramid?
Like, you motherfuckers!
It's not a fucking face on the Mars.
There might be.
But that's not it.
I mean, there might be some other shit.
It doesn't mean there's not some other shit.
As a matter of fact, the pyramid shapes on Mars are way more interesting than the face.
Because the face, when they show the high-resolution image of the face, these have been doctored!
Clearly doctored!
These are not high-resolution photographs!
In fact, they are less than half of the gigabytes that it would be if it was a true 85-gillipickle fucking picture.
But there are some, like, symmetrical objects that exist that do look like five-sided pyramids.
Like, you pull up that, because that is kind of interesting.
I don't know what the fuck causes the stones to be shaped in these weird patterns.
But look at that.
If you looked at that, you would swear that has to be made by somebody.
But it's not.
It's totally natural.
And there's varying stages of it.
They can actually see how it's developed.
I don't know.
I'm obviously not a...
What are they called?
What's a geologist?
Someone who understands rocks.
Those dudes, they look at it.
There's another disagreement that Graham Hancock has with some of the people.
Graham Hancock is this famous dude who wrote this book called Fingerprints of the Gods.
Wow.
Brilliant, brilliant guy and he's exposed a lot of really fascinating shit about ancient civilizations and he's headed right now to Gobekli Tepli.
He's gonna be back on the podcast in November.
He's going to Gobekli Tepli live to check this out because Gobekli Tepli is essentially a structure that affirms all of his beliefs.
He believed that there was an ancient civilization that lived far earlier than we're giving modern civilization credit for and That they were capable of very sophisticated things, but something happened and they were most likely wiped out by like meteors or something like that.
Well, two things have happened since he wrote that book.
One, the discovery of Gobekli Tepe.
14,000 years old, as old as.
14,000 years old.
Fucking mad.
Massive stone pillars with animals carved in them.
Back when they thought that people were just like riding on horseback, barely, you know, hunting, gathering, like that's all they did.
Meanwhile, they're building these insane, huge, complicated structures.
And the discovery of the impact of the Clovis Comet.
They know for a fact that most likely all of the life in North America, like all of the people that lived in North America, were wiped out about 12,000 plus years ago.
They know that a huge comet hit, it's called the Clovis Comet, and there was like a recent discovery about it, a recent article that was published about it.
So they know that there's been some shit that went down.
So because of that, Graham has this like eager searching eye, and occasionally even he gets fooled.
Like he'll look at something and he'll think that this thing can't be a natural formation.
But then you look at something like the Giant's Causeway and you go, it might be.
There's this thing in Japan off of the coast of Yamaguchi, I think it's called.
This motherfucker, first of all, the reason why I brought this up is they have these trucks with these giant grills in the front of them because there's so many wild deer and wild pigs in Texas that they just run into those bitches on the highway all the time and they will fuck your car up.
So dudes have special bumpers on their car just designed to smash into deer.
It's like some Mad Max shit.
So you have this gigantic pickup truck with this fucking metal battering ram that literally cuts like a V straight towards the...
I mean, these are crazy fucking bumpers.
The show, it's called Aporkalypse 2013. Pull the video up because I put it on Twitter.
This is the nuttiest fucking shit I've ever seen in my life.
This is a Buddhist area of Japan where they feel that deer are sacred.
There's a video that I tweeted about all these deer everywhere.
Well, if they're in a bad situation where there's low resources, people don't like the idea that the resources have to be maintained.
If you really study it, and it's so hard to do, but try to talk to someone who really understands game conservation and try to study it from an objective perspective because there is a certain amount of predators that can exist in an environment and there's a certain amount of prey that can exist in an environment And they know what that number is.
They change the limits all the time like they do with the salmon population in Alaska.
They monitor it very closely with salmon weirs.
They make sure that the populations are healthy.
They get good numbers running through so people can or can't fish.
They open seasons, they close seasons on a whim.
If they go, "Look, there's not enough fish coming through this weir." Boom, they shut the season down.
And that's called responsible management.
If you don't have responsible management for wildlife, especially when it comes to deer, you get overpopulation and you get fucking diseases.
They get a lot of wasting disease.
You get Lyme disease, which spreads throughout the East Coast.
There's people that are fucked up from Lyme disease.
And Lyme disease comes from deer ticks.
And people have to understand, like, there's more, and I've read this recently.
No.
Ted Nugent told me this recently.
Not me.
He doesn't like me.
But if you talk to me, he probably thinks I'm a liberal.
But if he talked, you know, on his show, he was talking about how there is more wildlife as far as deer and as far as coyotes and as far as, like, whatever, wild game in this country now than when Christopher Columbus came here.
But second of all, if he's right, and the idea is that with less forest than there used to be back then, like before, it was like fucking forest everywhere.
The deforestation has actually created larger areas.
Like, agriculture has created much more opportunity for deer to eat.
So there's more deer now than ever before.
They're more successful because there's less, like, mountain lions around and shit, because there's people around, they hear the cars and shit, they're not just, like, actively...
Yeah, so they're getting to breed more, and you've got to manage that population.
If you don't, you have deaths on the road.
Not just the deer, but people.
I mean, if you've ever Googled deer through windshield, you want to see some horrific fucking scenes of destruction.
People die every year because deer go through their windshield.
And a lot of folks don't know that, but a deer has a fucking 180-pound hunk of bones and steak.
And you hit it with your car, and you're fucked, man.
In fact, hunters donate more money for conservation and have more impact on conservation because of the amount of money they spend on tags than any Yeah.
The amount of money that you get from tags and from management, you can't just leave them alone.
Like, people are like, let those animals go!
Let them alone!
You have to understand that you're a fucking animal, too.
There's a delicate game that's going on between us and all the other.
And yes, as the highest intellectual animal with thumbs on the planet Earth, not in the ocean, You know, it's debatable whether or not we're smarter than dolphins.
If we can't understand their language, they can understand us.
I think it's debatable.
But as the smartest, and the one who's looking, like, what's the best case scenario for mankind?
Well, no more war.
Love your brother.
Everybody gets along.
We have the perfect civilization in a hundred years.
We all get our shit together.
We all agree that you can't show cruelty to animals and make that happen.
You can't be stomping people's cats and shooting people's dogs.
You know, and so we associate our dogs and our pets who we love very much, our cats and what have you, we associate that with wild animals.
But that's some baby shit, okay?
Because wild animals will fucking eat your asshole.
If you go out there and you go wandering around and you fall down and you sprain your ankle and a fucking bunch of wolves find you, guess what, fuckface?
That's a wrap.
And the only thing that keeps those wolves from doing that is they know we have the bang sticks and the cars and all the shit that they're scared of.
They stay the fuck away.
That's it.
It's not that wolves aren't beautiful, man.
I fucking love wolves.
I think they're majestic.
I've watched documentaries on wolves.
I bet I've watched a hundred documentaries on wolves.
I watched a documentary about the dude who lived with the wolves and his gigantic wildlife containment and he would actually stuff a liver into the carcass so that he could prove that he was the alpha.
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He would eat the liver first and growl That guy's crazy.
Numbering in the millions, these shockingly destructive and invasive wild hogs wreak havoc across the southern United States.
They're so fucking strong and tough, wild pigs, that what happens is domestic pigs get out, and it's a weird thing, but within three weeks of being out in the wild, fending from their self, their body actually starts changing.
The hair grows coarser, the nose extends, the tusks grow.
They also cause fish kills because they fuck with ponds so much, they stomp around in them, that they get the ponds so muddy from running around in them that they choke off the fish.
So they literally almost have to do this, where they're shooting them out of helicopters.
They carry crazy amounts of diseases, and unless you want to just start fucking reintroducing wolves to Texas, you got to take care of these motherfuckers.
Something's got to eat them.
You can't just have these things.
You have an imbalance.
The reason why there's millions of wild hogs running through these fields is because there's nothing killing them.
They're not supposed to be there.
Like, there's a problem.
And so...
You have to figure out a really extreme method of solving this problem.
There's no more extreme method than Ted Nugent and the pig man in a fucking helicopter with machine guns.
And yes and no!
Yes, it's cruel.
Yes, it's horrible.
Yes, I'm an animal lover.
Yes, I have two cats and two dogs.
But I fucking saved that shit on my DVR. I'm going to watch it again.
28. Do you think that it used to be that the lighter weights were much better when they were in the youngest age?
How old are you?
I'm 27. Yeah, that's a perfect time to be developing between 22 and 29 and 30. But with the heavyweight, guys are sort of coming into their prime when they're hitting 30 and 31. It seems like the larger men learn how to move their body better later in life.
Whereas, like, younger guys, they seem to, like, hit their threshold of where they kind of peak and fade off earlier.
I think, though, it's like one of those things where it's like if you're really rich and you start bragging about it, people are like, douche.
There's a lot of people who are poor.
So if you're like Captain Fucks-A-Lot and you're out there slinging dick like a ninja, having sex with Jessica Biel and putting pictures of her ass on Twitter...
And there's different protocols that people follow.
There's some doctors that have a protocol where you slowly vaccinate your children instead of giving them this gigantic amount.
And I think that is...
Look, you're not supposed to give babies peanut butter, man.
If you give peanut butter to babies, you never know if your kid's allergic to peanuts.
So you have to find out.
Babies are super sensitive and very delicate.
They're very fragile.
That said, the human immune system, without a doubt, has benefited from vaccines.
You know, I just don't know if we have too many of them or if in the past, I know for a fact, and I'm a supporter of vaccines without a doubt, I don't want to be even blurry about this, I think vaccines have changed this world and have made society safe for us from a lot of different ailments.
That said, nothing is perfect.
And for sure, without doubt, there have been people that have been harmed by vaccines.
The question is, is it worth that risk?
To continue vaccinating people, is it worth the risk that the one out of X people have received damage?
I personally think yes.
I personally think yes, and I personally think you should proceed with caution.
I think you should...
I mean, there should be a lot of different things that you read from very educated people about the subject.
And the reality is that educated people, for the most part, agree that vaccines are important, but the objective ones are willing to admit that people have been damaged by vaccines before.
I have a friend, and her fucking dad has Lyme disease.
And he got it from a vaccine.
And he got it from a vaccine they don't even use anymore.
Because some people had a genetic predisposition to being adversely affected by this vaccine.
So her fucking dad has Lyme disease, man.
And he took a vaccine so that he wouldn't get Lyme disease because he was scared of it.
His wife took the same vaccine?
Nothing.
She actually got vaccinated from Lyme disease, and it worked.
But for him, he got Lyme disease from it.
So that is inaction, benefit, and a detraction, and a negative effect of vaccines.
I think that for the most part, though, look, man, there's a lot of fucking diseases we've eradicated, like polio.
There's a lot of shit that we've, like, removed.
But now, like, measles are starting to come back.
You know, there's certain diseases that we thought we got rid of that people are starting to get.
And one of the blames for that is that people aren't vaccinating their kids for measles.
There's certain, there's like, and a lot of people were afraid because the word was that it was the measles, mumps, and rebellia.
That was the one.
That was the vaccine that was giving people, you know, all sorts of health problems.
And there's been lawsuits, man.
That's what a lot of people don't realize.
A lot of money has been given out in vaccine court for damage that was caused by vaccines.
Doesn't mean the vaccines are bad.
It's again, it's one of those really complicated, nuanced issues where it's not a fucking grand design of eugenics by the elite to control the population and dumb us down.
It was one of the more interesting things about my show was, to me, getting to talk to these disease specialists and scientists and doctors that were talking about various pandemic diseases, how many people are affected by tropical diseases.
They were talking about people in poor, like, Africa and tropical environments where, like, everyone has parasites.
Everyone has certain diseases.
And, like, sexual diseases that are super dangerous, like a type of syphilis that you can't cure, and then all these morphing-changing diseases, they're trying to constantly stay on top of these fucking things.
And there's diseases like MERS. You ever heard of MERS? There's some disease called MERS that kills literally half the people that it gets infected by, or half the people that get infected with it.
There's nutty shit out there, and there's doctors that are scrambling to try to cure these things, and try to come up with vaccines, But in the process, sometimes there's damage, you know?
Since 1989 and as of January of 2013, over $2.5 billion have been paid out from this vaccine-caused injury and death compensation fund.
Mm-hmm.
So, $2.5 billion have been paid out from the Vaccine-Caused Injury and Death Compensation Fund.
These are numbers that I'm reading off of, like, these are legitimate websites.
This isn't, like, we're not just making things up.
These are not propaganda websites, and they're not trying to hide this.
9,785 claims have been dismissed, and of those claims, 3,982 claimants were paid $52 million to cover their attorney's fees and other legal costs.
So they were paid, even the people where the claims were dismissed, they paid their legal fees.
Like, what are they doing there?
Are they just saying, listen, bitch, I know you have a lot of legal money and just let it go.
I know you're tired of fighting this.
You're never going to win.
I don't know.
But it is fascinating.
I don't understand it, but I know that, like, when Jenny McCarthy talks about vaccines and causing your kid autism, I have heard dudes who are, like, the most progressive, like, male feminists, like, really, like, kind towards women say some of the most nasty fucking evil shit to Jenny McCarthy.
Because...
Because you're allowed to.
Because she expresses a very specific opinion about vaccines, and she's obviously not a fucking doctor.
And they think that what she's doing is scaring people into not having vaccines and into creating death and illness.
Maybe.
Yeah, maybe.
I don't know.
But maybe you need to pay attention to what the fuck I just read.
That seems real.
New Jersey girl gets $4.7 million for vaccine injuries.
Here's another one.
This is from 2002, a New Jersey girl whose mental development was stopped at two months old after a routine immunization has received a $4.7 million settlement from a national trust fund.
I mean, what the fuck is going on, man?
What does that mean?
I don't know if that means that, I mean, in my dumb mind, I read that, and I, you know, it doesn't, what's that expression?
Causation doesn't, if you want to say smart on the internet, you have to repeat this.
Causation does not equal, okay, does not imply correlation.
So just because something was caused doesn't mean it's correlated with what you're blaming it on.
Like there's a lot of other factors involved.
Yeah.
Millions of fucking dollars, man.
Billions even, given out.
So that's my opinion about vaccines.
I think they're very, very important.
I think the people that are working on vaccines and that are fighting against pandemic diseases are doing an amazing job of keeping people safe, and they've eradicated some really fucking dangerous, horrible pandemic diseases.
That said, obviously, some people, it fucks up.
Or it seems to, at least.
And I think it's not an either-or situation.
I think people have to be really careful about that.
Because if you're rallying against these people that are talking badly about vaccines, but then these facts are real and are available, what are you doing?
Yeah, and if they said something, if like you say, you know, the fucking rainbows are created by gremlins, bro, and then you start telling people that, and you make a video, and you put it on YouTube, man, you're committed to that shit.
And there's a lot of people out there committed to some really iffy ideas.
Like when you said that you think that you create your own destiny, everything happens for a reason, you might be right.
You know, anybody says you're not right is crazy.
If you say, if you believe it, you can achieve it, well, you have.
So what the fuck do they know?
Maybe that is how the world works.
Maybe the world works by your imagination manifesting reality.
Maybe the world works by your intention and your focus, literally changing the world around you, creating things and opportunities that would not have existed or been in front of you if you didn't do that work, if you didn't experience those revelations and evalations of your spirit.
You don't fucking know.
That's possible, too.
Because the world's not that fucking simple.
There's a goddamn reason why when you hear a certain song, it reminds you of a certain time in your life or a certain person you knew, and you have this intense emotional reaction to it, and the beats of the music change your body, you know?
There's certain times where you're by yourself and Sweet Home Alabama comes on the radio at just the right time.
And when it says, turn it up, it changes your body.
The world is not just made out of numbers, and it's not just made out of hard surfaces, and it's not just made out of things you can weigh.
There's also some weird spiritual aspect to this world.
I think you manifest a lot of it with your attitude and your behavior and your actions, and I don't know how much of it would have been there without that.
I don't know.
I think it's both.
You know, I think it's both.
If a brick drops in your head, it will fucking kill you.
That's true, too.
You know?
Sometimes shit happens, man.
Look, the fucking...
Were the dinosaurs asking for that big asteroid to hit?
No, probably not.
You know?
I don't know if that...
I don't know if it's that simple.
I think it's both.
It's both you create your reality and shit happens.
So I'm wondering if things are predetermined for some point.
That just kind of led me to make the decision, okay, 55 is too low of a weight class.
I'm just destroying my body.
The injuries are just coming too easy.
Maybe if I was at 70, maybe my ankle would have rolled a bit differently, and I would have more stability, just cutting weight, depleting the body too much.
So that was my last fight at 55, which made me go up to 70. So yeah, who knows?
It could have been, or it could have been that you realized after that that you needed to make a change, and being the winner that you are, felt the right path, and went down it, and succeeded.
Because that's what you do.
You dust yourself off, you figure out what went wrong, and you move forward.
And that's what you did do.
So it could have been things happen for a reason, or it could have been the reason things happen is because you're a winner.
They used to say that Joe Riggs used to dominate Rich Franklin in the gym.
That they would be sparring and Joe Riggs would just be lighting Rich Franklin up.
But in competition, it really...
Well, he had some great fights and he had some great results and he had a long career.
And he's still a bad motherfucker and a great professional fighter.
But if you listen to people talk, they make Joe Riggs out to be Anderson Silva.
They make Joe Riggs out to be some magic man.
Some dude that on perfect moments, on the right moments...
I remember talking to Billy Rush before he died, and Billy Rush was training those guys, and he said to me, he goes, he's one of the greatest talents I've ever seen.
He said, this fucking kid can do it all, and he does it all perfect in spurts, in the gym, when his head's right.
You know, and then shit happens in that crazy world of chaos.
I want to make sure that they're biting down on the mouthpiece so we get the mouthpieces that you can breathe through the center of the hole a little bit.
There are impressions on the top and the bottom of your teeth, so your jaw does lock into place, but for mine specifically, I have a little air channel through the center.
Well, they actually say that your jaw alignment does have some impact on how strong you are.
Like, I think there's a science behind it.
Like, if you have your mouth open and you try to deadlift, you try to deadlift, like, oh, I think, literally, you're not as strong as if you fucking clamp down.
So they scraped them down, and then he put these splints in that widened my opening.
I kept the splints in for like...
I don't know, like a couple weeks or whatever.
But after it was open, after he cut out the scar tissue and turbinators, whatever those things were, trimmed that down, it was actually like a wider passage.
One of the doctors was saying, I mean, obviously it's a doctor's opinion from different from different, but he was saying that he thinks the structural integrity of my nose would be worse.
Yeah, but this is supposed to be, according to Ian, this is even better.
It's called Cyclic Variations in Adaptive Conditioning, CVAC. And it's some crazy pod that you lay in, and using proprietary pattern sequences, pressure is increased and decreased.
to simulate low altitudes and high altitudes and as pressure increases the volume of oxygen in the air naturally increases air is thicker and warmer and as pressure decreases the volume of oxygen naturally diminishes and the air is thinner and cooler and they hypothesize that these changes stimulate an individual's natural adaptation response to environment and the experience is unique to the individual but it apparently has massive effects on healing And there's even scientific findings
that were published in medical literature.
So it's not like just crazy nonsense that some wacky dude wants to...
Well, you obviously love it, you know, and that's exactly what you need.
I think it's such an amazing thing, the ability to sort of mold young fighters and that for a guy like me who loves martial arts as an art, you know, as an art form, it really is an art form.
I know people go, I was in an art form when you're injuring people.
Well, sure, if a dork attacked you, like say if some dude who was really good at Dungeons and Dragons and he fucking went spaz on you and rushed you, it's like, I'm going to bite him!
You don't want to just tee off on some asshole because he started to fight with you.
It's so hard to repress that.
But we've all been in a situation where some drunk dude is clearly fucked up, is talking so much shit, and you're like, I could just uncork one on this guy's face and you know he's not going to see it coming.
Well, there's a lot of dickfaces out there and they don't like to hear that.
People don't like to be criticized.
It's hard that someone calls you to be a dickface to that lady.
And you're like, yeah, you're right.
You know, it's fucking hard.
It's like admitting something about rods.
It's like so many things.
It's like being wrong.
Sucks.
People don't like being wrong.
There's a guy named Michael Shermer, this famous skeptic, who has this very interesting quote about smart people defending dumb ideas.
Smart people, there's a lot of very intelligent people that believe really stupid things, and the reason being is that they're smart enough to convince themselves that they're right.
And they're smart enough to defend that stupid thing.
And it's kind of an interesting point of view, but makes sense.
It's fucking hard for people to say they're wrong.
Well, I think also, as a fighter, it's super important to be absolutely objective about your skill set.
You can't, like when you're talking about observing fights and watching fights, and you have to be objective.
You can't say, you know, hey, I'm watching TJ Dillashaw, I love that dude, so I'm looking at him in a way that's not, I'm just looking, everything's perfect, it's beautiful, I'm just loving watching him win.
That's not the right way to do it, and you know that.
So you have to step back and go, okay, what is he doing wrong?
And how do I get my friendship out of the way and look at this objectively?
So one of the things I started getting major injuries, and then getting surgeries, and I didn't want to take the pain pills.
Although I did take some of them, and when I broke my jaw, I was taking some kind of liquid pain pill.
I don't know what it was.
But that's when I started my venture into weed.
So it was just to get through the night so I could sleep.
It does fuck in my memory, man.
I was having, like, the next day, having an issue, like, holding combinations for these guys and stuff, and just not remembering dates and stuff, so it did fuck with me personally.
I caught in my memory, and I don't think it's for everybody, because I'm very, very high-strung and trying to get shit done all the time.
So I think if somebody is already predisposed to be a slight bit lazy, this is not for you.
I've figured things out about my body when I'm high.
I've figured out certain stretches that I need.
I feel like, you know what?
I'm tight right here.
I've figured shit out, and then as you're feeling your body more, I'm like, you know what?
I've got to incorporate that more.
And then, like, certain techniques, like kicking techniques, like I've gone over them high, and I, like, feel the weight transfer better.
Because you know how, like, when you shin a bag, when you really whip your hip into it, there's certain times where you get it perfect, and there's certain times where it's a little off, a little weird, but then there's times when you just feel it!
I'm very curious to see what my children are going to turn into or become or what they are now and if they're going to be able to express that as an adult.
Like, I'm pretty sure Lil Dwayne Banks is going to be a fighter.
I want to hopefully when they get older, they can express, they can be who they want to be and not be stuck in some shitty job that they're unhappy with.
And there's fresh guava and mangoes and all these different plants that are just growing there and they hunt...
Excuse me, hunt wild pigs and there's wild sheep and all these sorts of different animals that you can, like, they hunt and fish and eat fresh fruits everywhere.
And apparently people go there and they take a boat and they just stay there for months and months at a time.
There's an aquarium in Maui where you can go see the boats that they created.
They have replicas of them.
It's a fucking log!
It's a fucking log!
It's a hollowed out log and they had like nets that they created that they made themselves and they would take a year to make a fucking net and they would set these nets and just go out there and hope that they would catch enough fish to keep their fucking children alive.
So if I miss a myth and they punch me in the face, that's going to be an issue.
So I've got to be on point with things for sure.
Even though I tell the guys, even if I do hold the myths on the wrong side, the striker needs to control their strike and that's just the way it has to be.
Well, I think there should be education, for sure.
Yeah, there should be education.
Look, we're dealing with very complicated issues where you're altering human neurochemistry through psychedelics.
People don't want to think of marijuana as a psychedelic.
It is, without a doubt, a psychoactive substance.
And if you eat it in large doses, it's as psychedelic as anything.
If you don't believe that, you're fucked.
Because if you do take it and you're not ready, you're going to get an experience very unlike a regular get high, smoke a joint.
So I think that anything like that can fuck you up.
And anything that can fuck you up mentally, we should tread with caution.
Because of the fact that we don't have education, we don't have centers where someone can go and they can say, well, in a controlled environment, you and your friends, what we would like to do is we're going to bring you in here.
We have a very specific level of marijuana we're going to give you.
We're going to work you up to where we think you can handle it.
So you could be in a comfortable, safe environment.
Like, have you guys gone to the marijuana fucking treatment center yet?
Whatever the fuck it is.
Yeah, it turns out I'm good with one gummy bear.
One gummy bear is perfect.
I found out what it is.
We went too far.
I went to the bar one day and I started thinking about my childhood and it was a little fucked up.
But I think I learned from that too.
But this way at least you would get an educated experience.
And we don't.
Now we're figuring it out for ourselves.
Whereas if you buy Tylenol, you know what the fucking dose is.
That's just from what I understand, from what I was told anyways, that head trauma, severe weight cutting, redlining your body, and then of course steroids or taking too much steroids if you need to.
I've got three of the four fucking symptoms right there.
Head trauma, severe weight cutting, and redlining your body.
What's cool for me is to be such a fan of Ernesto, and then one time in Japan I seen him, and then he knew who I was, so I was like, oh, fuck, man, that's pretty cool.
If you've never seen that fight, Bob Sapp didn't even look like a human being.
He was the biggest any fighter has ever been.
He was on everything that ever existed.
He was on...
He was 370 pounds of Mexican supplements just stacked into a man.
It's a beautiful thing, though.
Again, I don't think that it's good that Bob Sapp did that, but I think that it's good that we got to see what happens when a guy that big can do that.
Even a guy like Ernesto Hoos, you can't stop that bum rush.
That big, crazy fuck is just gonna fucking Donkey Kong you into the ground.
Well, I think he was making good money in Japan for a while, but then I think he ran into some problems with them, and remember there was that 1K1 event where he wouldn't come out and fight?