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Aug. 26, 2013 - The Joe Rogan Experience
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Joe Rogan Experience #385 - Duane Ludwig, TJ Dillashaw
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duane ludwig
40:47
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joe rogan
01:57:50
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tj dillashaw
07:41
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brian redban
02:46
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andy stumpf
00:02
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joe rogan
We're live already?
unidentified
Yes.
joe rogan
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unidentified
We forgot weed, man.
joe rogan
Fuck, this is all the weed we got?
brian redban
Yeah.
joe rogan
Roll a joint.
Thank God nobody could see us.
You want some of those?
unidentified
I'm good.
duane ludwig
Thank you, sir.
brian redban
It's so easy, you could do it.
joe rogan
Do you know how to roll one of these things?
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unidentified
I will.
joe rogan
Can you do it?
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brian redban
Yeah.
joe rogan
Jamie, do this while we're talking.
brian redban
I can't believe we forgot.
It's been so long you've been...
joe rogan
I know.
I don't know what I'm doing anymore.
brian redban
No way.
joe rogan
There should be weed in there.
If there's not, we're fucked.
duane ludwig
Figure it out.
joe rogan
If there's not, we'll go sober for once.
We'll halfway sober.
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As far as comedy dates coming up, we got a lot.
My show is done, and so I'm back on the road, sweet bitches.
Brian, you said you're doing something with the great Tom Segura and the great Christina Positsky in Columbus?
brian redban
Yeah, we just went on sale.
We're doing a super show out there.
Tom Segura, Christina Positsky, Tony Hinchcliffe, and me at the Woodlands Backyard in Columbus, Ohio.
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joe rogan
Nice.
And Arizona, that place is fucking awesome.
And huge.
unidentified
Huge.
joe rogan
I'm scared.
You should be scared.
You should always be scared.
brian redban
It's a hard thing to fill up.
joe rogan
You should be scared.
It keeps you under your feet.
It keeps you sharp, son.
This weekend, August 30th, I'll be in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, with Mad Flavor, a.k.a.
Joey Diaz.
And this Wednesday night, we're at the Ice House.
Wednesday night, 10 p.m.
I haven't booked any people on the show yet, but it'll be me and a bunch of people from town.
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andy stumpf
It's all just...
joe rogan
Monkeys and psychedelics.
The things that I'm interested in most.
Other than you people.
I love the fuck out of you guys.
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duane ludwig
Yes, sir.
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brian redban
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joe rogan
Fuckin' it does.
brian redban
Really?
joe rogan
It absolutely increases testosterone.
brian redban
And you're allowed to drink on this, because I've noticed you can't do boner pills and alcohol lately, so I've been having a bad job.
joe rogan
You can't?
brian redban
No.
joe rogan
Why not?
brian redban
I don't know.
unidentified
What do you mean?
Does it work?
brian redban
I think it's something bad for your heart.
I think because it takes all your blood and puts it in your dick, and then your heart's like, hey, I don't have enough blood to deal with this Jack Daniels.
joe rogan
This is science by Red Band.
Yeah, well, you can see Red Band doing a TED conference.
Basically, it takes all the blood and puts it in your dick, and your heart just explodes or something.
brian redban
Yeah, I just read it, so I kind of freaked out, because that was like the best combo ever.
joe rogan
You can still do it.
Listen, you're doing a lot of shit that's bad for you.
Alcohol itself is fucking terrible for you.
It's not like it's a vitamin, you know?
You drink it until you black out four nights a week, and you're worried about what boner pills are going to add to the equation?
brian redban
Well, I just want to know if T-Pips will give me the same kind of rock hard boner.
joe rogan
Listen, I don't know what you did in the past life, but you're almost fucking 40, you look like you're 12, and you're getting hammered every night.
You got great genes.
Don't worry about it.
Just take a multivitamin every now and then, if you remember, and keep riding until the fucking wheels fall off.
Don't worry about it, bitch.
We're here for a long time.
Don't worry.
Talk to Ray Kurzweil.
It's all gonna work out.
Alright, freaks.
Dwayne Ludwig, TJ Dillashaw, both are in the building right now.
Enough with the commercials.
We're trying to shorten them down for your amusement.
So there.
That's the end.
There's one more?
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duane ludwig
DwayneBang.com.
joe rogan
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brian redban
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joe rogan
They throw it away.
Sometimes our best work is done before we even get started.
duane ludwig
So then, where do they go for those sweetheart shirts you're wearing?
joe rogan
They go to DwayneBang.com, bitch.
We're an affiliate.
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Dwayne and TJ and I just got back from a garage training session.
Old school, like Gracie in action.
1993. Yeah, I got Matt set up in my garage.
We had a sweet workout.
That was fun, man.
Really cool.
duane ludwig
That's a badass setup you have.
joe rogan
You're really enthusiastic, man.
I could tell you're really enjoying this transition from being a professional fighter to being a professional coach.
And for folks who don't know, Dwayne, for a long time, had fastest knockout in UFC history.
They tried to deny you, but we would not let them.
We forced that shit down their throat.
They were trying to give it to Todd Duffy, who had a very fast knockout, no doubt about it.
It was pretty close.
But you still had him, you edged him, but the referee fucked up.
duane ludwig
You know, they gave it to you like 10 seconds, but it was really like 6. On the clock it said 4, but the duration of the bout is from the bell sounds until the ref says start, or fight, and until one of the refs touches one of the opponents.
joe rogan
Right, so from start to touch, that's what we count?
duane ludwig
Correct.
joe rogan
Okay, so even if the bell rings before, so they start, does the bell ring in the beginning?
duane ludwig
Boxing it used to.
joe rogan
It doesn't with MMA, right?
They just say fight.
Yeah, I don't even know.
How the fuck do I not know?
tj dillashaw
I'm too nervous to pay attention.
joe rogan
Why don't we hear him?
I don't hear TJ. Here we go.
Try it again.
tj dillashaw
Yeah, I'm usually too amped up to even hear a bell.
joe rogan
How much do you hear when you're out there?
Do you hear Dwayne in your corner cheering at him?
tj dillashaw
Yeah, I can hear Justin Buckles usually the most because he's real loud.
He's always in my corner and then Dwayne as well, yeah.
joe rogan
So that's all you hear?
Just that and then the rest is just noise?
tj dillashaw
For the most part.
I mean, you can hear when the crowd gets excited, you kind of hear that, but you don't pay attention to it.
You just kind of try to focus in what you're supposed to.
joe rogan
Have you ever been in a fight where they booed?
tj dillashaw
No.
joe rogan
That's a weird moment, right?
When dudes are not doing anything and you know that they can hear it.
Because it's never a boo during a wild scramble, right?
And the wild scrambles, I would imagine the ones where you have the least memory of what the fuck is going on sound-wise.
You're so tuned into it, right?
duane ludwig
So what you asked me is we hear them booing?
joe rogan
Yeah.
duane ludwig
Oh yeah, I have.
I've heard them boo for sure.
100%.
joe rogan
Do you feel responsibility when you hear that?
What's your feeling?
duane ludwig
A little bit.
It just depends on the game plan and the fight and what's going on.
joe rogan
Yeah.
duane ludwig
Because sometimes the game plan can be to just sit back and let him come to us.
You know, let him boo.
I don't give a fuck.
joe rogan
Right, right, right.
duane ludwig
Let him come to me and run into something stupid.
That's sweet.
joe rogan
So it could be like, who's going to crack first?
Like, who's going to give in to these boos and do something stupid that gets off of their game plan?
duane ludwig
And that's the main thing with these fighters and myself, is to control our own emotions.
Because if we don't control us, how are we going to control them?
joe rogan
Right.
duane ludwig
And that's just one of those things.
If the crowd's going to boo and make this guy make a stupid mistake or to finally come in or come into our game plan or whatever the scenario may be, then sweet.
Let the crowd dictate what he's going to do.
Hopefully he makes a mistake.
Let him run to us.
We keep our composure.
We stick to the game plan.
We adjust on the fly.
We make things happen.
joe rogan
You know, I'm an unusual MMA fan in that I've probably seen, like live, I've seen more than a thousand fights and had to call them.
So I've been involved in so many different scenarios, so many fights, watching it play out, like classic, all-time great MMA fights I've had the honor to call.
But I am different in that I like boring styles, man.
I like a dude who takes no damage and smothers guys and just imposes his will.
Like, a lot of people used to give John Fitch a hard time.
I swear to God, John Fitch is one of my favorite fighters to watch.
And people will yell at me, they're like, you fucking idiot, he's ruining MMA. Or Ben Askren.
Same thing.
Ben Askren is one of my favorite fighters to watch.
Ben Askren is a fucking glove.
He just wraps a hole to you.
That's real, okay?
He's stifling really exciting, energetic strikers.
I mean, like, who was that fucking guy that he fought, the fucking hardcore striker recently?
He fought this Russian dude, and then before it, he fought that guy that Vice did a piece on him.
Lionel, what the fuck is his name?
tj dillashaw
I have no idea.
joe rogan
Goddammit, I'm not up on Bellator.
It's too much to pay attention to.
I'll find the gentleman's name.
tj dillashaw
Dude, Askren's got to be so strong, man.
That guy's got to be unbelievably strong.
joe rogan
Well, it's not just strong.
He seems to always be in the right place.
Yeah.
You know, like, his positioning is so...
And it's also, his paths are so weird.
Like, usually when I'm watching a guy roll, like, say, like, here's a real easy example of a guy's like a blue belt on the ground.
And I'm watching his transition from, like, takedown to, like, making a mount or trying to make a mount or trying to get side control.
I can see what he's doing.
I see it real obvious.
But with Askren, I'm like, why is he grabbing...
Oh, that arm.
Oh, what the fuck?
How did he get there?
It's like he's doing this weird shit.
He's like going behind guys and getting underhooks on their back arm and fucking wrenching them in weird ways and tying their legs up.
He's always in a weird spot, so you can't have this motherfucker off you.
tj dillashaw
If you watch any of his wrestling matches, 100% that way.
He was nothing super technical but a funky guy.
He did everything funky.
joe rogan
Well, I think it is technical.
It's just technical in his way.
And so it's not like he doesn't know what he's doing.
He's like super successful at it.
It's not like he's just this guy that's sort of making up karate.
You know, like we've all seen those kung fu videos where dudes are just making shit up.
You know, I've gotten them mad at me before.
duane ludwig
I make up shit all the time.
joe rogan
But I mean, this is a different kind of making shit up.
Like, a guy throws a punch.
While I'm right here, I attack the liver with a monkey paw.
You know?
And they're like talking about different techniques that they do.
Well, you can tell, literally while they're doing it, that they're making it up as they go along.
brian redban
You should have done the show on that, Joe.
I can't believe you didn't do a whole episode of fake kung fu.
That would have been fun as fuck.
joe rogan
Well, I think if we did a second season, that is what I would love to do.
Those dudes who do the crazy touches.
brian redban
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, have you ever seen the videos of the kung fu masters who just throw people through the air with their hands?
Yeah, yeah.
There's a ghetto one.
Where there's this dude, and I don't know what it is, but he's a very ghetto-looking character.
I mean, not just because he's black, but just the way he's black.
You know what I'm talking about?
I mean, the whole thing is, it's a ghetto environment.
I mean, he's not an Idaho, okay?
And he's...
He's throwing these kung fu moves at these people, and he's got them shaking, exaggerated, wobbling back and forth like they're getting hit by a pulse from a movie.
And you're like, what is going on here?
Are they crazy?
Is this mass hypnosis?
Is this just a big scam?
Or does he really have magic power?
Those are the possibilities.
I had a guy on this week's episode of Joe Rogan Questions Everything who said that he can make people fart in church.
He reverses the net.
He was hilarious.
The guy was fucking hilarious.
But he stood there and at one point in time he said he could get me to move back and forth with his mind.
And he tried to get me to I'm not going to tell you if it worked or it didn't work.
It didn't fucking work.
Of course it didn't work.
What the fuck is wrong with you?
Jesus Christ.
I couldn't lie to you like that.
But the dude was convinced that he...
And while he was doing it, I was like, what if I just give in to this guy and start moving?
And I can't believe I'm doing it.
Like, what if it's...
I had to like stand firm.
I had to make sure I'm like, I'm not fucking going anywhere.
This shit is not working on me.
But if you were like a person who is easily led, like maybe the type of person who would join a cult, type of person who like loses themself in another person's influence.
Which is a real psychological dilemma.
The reason why cults work, if you look in the newspaper and you hear about some crazy cult where the guy's fucking all the girls and he's got 13-year-old wives and shit and 50 of them, you go, how the hell did that happen?
We don't know, but it happens.
There's people that just fall under the spell.
So when you see someone doing that fucking crazy cheese shit and making people fly through the air, it's like, wow, what's happening here?
duane ludwig
Yeah, I guess going back to John Fitch and Askren, We don't know everything, but you have a lot more martial arts information.
You understand what's going on.
You understand the scenario.
People are still stuck in the mind frame just seeing bloody wars.
joe rogan
I admit that I'm very unusual and that I'm more than willing to watch some boring shit if it has the potential of getting exciting.
Even if he gets through the entire fight, and then in the third round, dude figures out how to stuff the takedown and lands a big shot.
unidentified
Oh shit, Fitch is hurt!
joe rogan
Or Fitch gets his back and starts to put him away.
If it takes all this 50% punches for three fucking rounds until there's an explosive moment, I like that.
I like that because I know that the guy on the bottom does not want that to be happening.
But yet it's happening.
So that's real.
That's why I fucking hate stand-ups.
And people be like, you know, man, stand-up's fucking, you know, you gotta fucking protect the sport.
Sport sucks if everybody's just gonna blanket hump.
unidentified
No!
joe rogan
No, that guy doesn't want to get blanket humped.
Do you understand that?
That is real.
You can't deny that that dude is holding that motherfucker down.
You can't deny it.
You can't just make him stand up.
If it's boring, tough shit.
Tough shit, get off the bottom.
duane ludwig
I'm in favor of stand-ups.
That shit saved me.
unidentified
If it wasn't for that fucking stand-up, I probably would have lost that fight.
duane ludwig
So, I'm off for the stand-ups.
joe rogan
Well, Dwayne, we should say, world Muay Thai champion, one of the most technical strikers ever in MMA, so of course you love the stand-up.
I mean, your ground game's no joke, but you're, you know, obviously, you have a big advantage.
You have a big advantage.
You always had a big technical advantage, like, um, um, Amir from Tough.
duane ludwig
Mr. Alla.
joe rogan
Yeah, he's a very good Muay Thai fighter.
And that fight that you had with him was amazing.
Because it was a perfect example of your technical...
He fought you in your world.
And there was just this clear technique advantage.
Like the stuff that you were trying to show me today.
About movement, and about throwing punches, and closing distance, and being in the right area, and about really small spaces.
You leave the littlest...
One of the things you kept saying, put your hands by your face.
If you don't, then my hands would be at your face.
Which one would you like more?
It's really simple.
Really simple, but very technical.
And that showed itself in that fight, because Amir is very competent.
He's a very good fighter.
But you caught him early.
I think it was a left hook.
You heard him with a left hook?
And then you opened it up, and then from that on, you were just...
Taking your shots.
It was your fight.
You were dictating the dance.
I love watching that, man.
I don't need a knockout.
I appreciate knockouts, absolutely, but I also appreciate people shutting people down.
I appreciate when a guy is like, you know, Mighty Mouse...
You know, he used to get that rap, but it was really just because he was fighting guys like Ian McCall or because he was fighting guys like Benavidez.
Like, you're fighting really fucking tough guys.
You're not gonna put these guys away.
But, you know, we saw in his last fight against Moraga, he's still trying to finish it.
Like, always.
And so, like, that fight, like, he beat Moraga for four rounds before he finished him, but he still finished him.
Like, he was beating him clearly, but he still took him out.
If the finish didn't happen, there would be a lot of people who'd say, oh, I don't like watching Mighty Mouse fight, you know, it's fucking boring.
But no, that's not boring at all.
unidentified
It's awesome.
joe rogan
You just gotta understand what, you're watching art right there.
duane ludwig
You're educated, though.
Yeah.
joe rogan
Guy got hit once.
I mean, literally got caught once.
One big shot in the fourth round.
And worked his way through it with no problem.
His nose is fucking bleeding.
I mean, Moraga can bang, and he caught that dude right on the chin.
So what you're dealing with is, like, he's a perfect specimen.
He's got everything.
He's got technique, he's got heart, he's got intelligence, he always comes in in shape, and he tries to finish the fight.
He's a fucking champion.
I mean, Mighty Mouse is a fucking champion.
tj dillashaw
Yeah, he's great, man.
joe rogan
But I've heard people say, like, I don't like watching those little guys fight, and they don't even finish that.
You don't even want to know what you're talking about.
You're just watching the best guys go at it, and a lot of times they neutralize each other because the level of technique is so fucking high.
At 125 and 135, TJ, where you fight, that fucking level of technique is through the roof, man.
duane ludwig
That's a fun thing here at Team Alpha Male right here, but there in Team Alpha Male.
Everyone's been pointing the finger at me like I'm the secret pill and everything, but I have world-class athletes, 100% world-class athletes.
They don't get any better than these guys.
Now they have what I feel is the proper information.
So here you go, proper information with world-class athletes.
They really have no choice but to get better.
It's pretty simple stuff.
Just like we did over the private today, just simple basic stuff.
Now they're understanding what they're doing and why they're doing it so they can branch off from there.
But I'm definitely making sure that I'm tailoring to the athlete.
I'm not going to make them Dwayne Ludwig.
I want to make them better athletes for themselves.
But here's the correct way.
Okay, you can make that way work.
Okay, you can make it work.
Okay, good.
Let's make it work then.
Let's add that to the system.
That's your style.
unidentified
Cool.
duane ludwig
I'll adapt to you.
But the same thing with Mighty Mouse.
Can you teach somebody to be Mighty Mouse?
Some of the aspects, but not a lot of it.
He's got to be his own athlete.
We're all individual athletes.
Just like your sidekick today and your spinning kicks.
World class.
And that can be taught...
We take a million reps, but correct reps as well.
joe rogan
Yeah, people have to know what they're doing.
unidentified
100%.
joe rogan
It's one of the things that Eddie Bravo always stresses about certain guard techniques.
They're like, well, I keep doing it, people keep breaking out of it.
Well, when you learn a wheel kick, you don't learn how to nail people with it every time.
Most of the time you're going to miss, you're going to go, oh, this doesn't work.
And then you'll get in there with your Raya Hall or somewhere on that level, and they'll wheel kick you in the face and go, oh my god, this is the craziest technique ever.
It's a guaranteed knockout.
I mean, you're literally hitting a guy with your whole fucking body behind a heel.
Think how hard your goddamn heel is.
People break their knuckles all the time.
You ever break a heel?
No.
You don't break your heel.
It's a goddamn hammer at the bottom of your foot, and it's carrying your body weight around all day.
And the amount of force that you could fuck...
But it ain't gonna work right away.
You gotta learn how to do it.
It's like everything else.
You gotta do the reps until you get to that black belt level at it.
And then, like, there's some techniques that guys can do in jiu-jitsu.
And the reason they can do it, the reason why they go, like, if a guy gets a nasty darse, like, some people get darces and their arms will burn out and they'll never finish them.
Yeah.
But then there's those dudes that have that fucking razor darse, you know, that whoosh, bang!
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
And they clamp that bitch down and you know you're not getting out of that motherfucker because they put insane amount of reps into it.
And so even though the movement may look similar to someone who's not educated in it, When you're watching it, if you know a guy who really closes off something really good, you go, oh shit.
Like Marcelo Garcia, if you ever watch him roll with his guillotine.
I didn't know anybody could close off a guillotine that quick until I saw him do it.
Uriah Faber has a nasty guillotine.
So does Benavidez.
All you guys at Team Alpha Male have sick guillotines.
It's like you're known for it.
Sixteenth of a second quicker that Marcello will slap it on than anybody?
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You know what I mean?
joe rogan
Whereas you recognize...
Uriah has a world-class guillotine.
That shit is a vice grip.
But, like, you watch him do it, and you watch Marcello, and he's like, ooh, he's on another level.
Like, this motherfucker's got, like, a sixteenth of a second quicker closure or something like that.
There's, like, just a little bit of...
They lock it up.
Like, he taps gods that I never see get tapped.
Like, we're talking about Askren.
There's a fantastic video of Marcello rolling with Askren and just manhandling him.
Just tapping him, tapping him, tapping him, and tapping him like he would tap, you know, like anybody.
And it's crazy when you know how good a wrestler Askren is.
You know, there's so many weird levels to this.
duane ludwig
That's the thing, especially with this level of athletes in the UFC, we're doing split seconds in fractions of an inch, you know?
Like, shit's gotta be perfect, but perfect is just making, having you land that strike and not get hit.
You hit and don't get hit, we're good, you know?
But we're doing split fucking seconds, so that's just the way it's gotta be.
joe rogan
What a crazy exciting job you have.
duane ludwig
That's what, I love my job.
I fucking love it, yeah.
It's like, you know, going from, uh, I've been training full bore since I was 15. Now I'm 35, so I've been a 20-year career.
But I've been training people since I was 19 anyway.
I've always understood the game, kind of broke it down.
It's been self-taught a lot.
Although Trevor Whitman, my boxing coach, showed me a lot.
Boss Rutten has been my main contributor to my arts as well.
And then I've trained Michael Winklejohn and Greg Jackson.
I've crossed paths with a lot of people.
Japan, Thailand, Holland.
I've trained with Ramon Deckers for two weeks.
I've crossed paths with a lot of people.
But a lot of my stuff is just self-taught from DVDs and YouTube and the Internet.
So I've been able to break things down myself because I had to learn it myself.
And then teaching people...
Like, I took the pads, gave them Trevor Whitman, and told them, look, this is...
I know how to hold pads for me.
This is what I need you to look out for.
So I taught him to train me.
So because of that...
And he's an artist.
The guy can draw.
He's just very detailed, very analytical.
So that transferred back over to me.
So we were just a good relationship.
And then I had another guy, Christian Allen.
And that guy is the best mitt holder I've ever seen ever work with.
That guy can hold some freaking mitts.
And he is a ninja.
If he had...
If he believed in himself a bit more, he could be the UFC champion 100%.
Some guys just have it physically, just not so much mentally.
And that's a good thing here.
These guys are all world-class athletes.
The wrestling mentality, I don't have to babysit anybody.
They come in, they put in the work.
The quality reps, they help each other.
Because Tony said, hey, we're drilling, you know?
We're building the counter-eye, looking for the openings before, during, and after these openings.
Where are they at?
Let's register them.
Let's see the idiosyncrasies.
What are they doing when they're nervous?
What is their position?
I just want to keep them in a good position.
So there's just a bunch of little small things.
It's nothing, no magic pill, just simple basic stuff reiterating a million times correctly from the get-go.
So that's one thing I've learned from Boss, from Trevor Whitman, from all my travels, is to break things down.
Because I'm not a super athletic guy, so I've had to learn things.
From the technical aspect and break them down so that they work for me.
Same thing with Eddie Bravo's story.
He's not a great athlete, so he had to kind of break things down.
But that's another thing, too, with jiu-jitsu and Thai boxing.
Jiu-jitsu is slower.
It's a slower-paced thing, but also the mental aspect.
You know you're not getting punched in the face.
You can relax a little bit.
You know if you get caught in an arm bar or a triangle, you're going to tap.
You have more seconds to respond.
You know you're not going to die.
In striking, people still freak out.
People don't like to get punched.
I don't like to get punched in the face, but it takes a certain human being to go ahead and relax and build that composure.
So I can take a guy And show him a technique or a drill or a combination, and then he can spar with it.
Well, how about between the mitts and the sparring?
That's a pretty big gap.
How are we going to deal with that gap?
We're going to do this drill with a little bit of sparring.
Okay, now you can punch, but you can't kick.
Things like that.
We're going to break it down into pieces.
We're adding a little bit of heat to the flame, you know?
A little bit more, slower and slower.
And that's why you guys have great fucking technique and great control.
There's nothing like wrestling.
You know, people get so good at wrestling because...
They can relax.
They can relax.
Then I can punch them in the face.
Well, let's not punch them in the face so hard, so I have a million drills for these guys to work with.
It's simple easy, basic stuff.
Again, I love my job, and the ADD kicks in, and I jump around with conversations.
It's good, man.
joe rogan
For those who don't understand what you're talking about, as far as mitt work, what mitt work is is when a guy holds the pads for you and you hit the pads.
Correct.
There's a lot to it.
There's a lot to getting a guy to do it correctly.
There's a lot to getting a guy that does it and making you throw combinations that are realistic combinations that work good or work with you.
A guy who can take power shots to the arms.
Because when you're kicking the shit out of the fucking pads, guys get bad elbows.
After a while, it goes, right?
You have to be strong as shit.
duane ludwig
That's one thing I have, too, is hyperflexion from just being relaxed and receiving kicks and having my elbows just come back too far and then cross-body and half-guard.
My arms just getting swung.
My last few fights, I couldn't spar because if a punch came, Hyperflex my elbows, they would just swell up and they would just hurt.
The timing and things, it would just slowly diminish because I'm not actually doing the live drilling, the live sparring.
So things just kind of dwindled away in my last few fights.
I just wasn't able to perform to the way I wanted to, plus the passion and such.
I wasn't really there for fighting, so it was just perfect timing.
Blew out the knee.
joe rogan
Was it a situation where you've just done it for so long and you're like, I don't have the enthusiasm for this anymore?
But yet, you still have the enthusiasm for the creative aspect of developing a fighter.
duane ludwig
Yeah, I love it.
I'm a martial artist.
This is what I've done my whole life.
I love it.
I love living through these guys now.
It's a rebirth for me.
I'm loving my life right now.
joe rogan
I love how you're embracing it too.
I think it's really cool when a fighter finds something that he can do that's equally exciting right after their careers.
Because that's always been traditionally a real problem for all sorts of professional fighters.
Whether it's boxers or MMA fighters, there's always been those stories of guys who live this crazy high life.
And then afterwards, do you know how many boxers get hooked on cocaine?
duane ludwig
No.
joe rogan
It's a lot, man.
It's a fucking lot.
Obviously, they're partying, and obviously a lot of these guys are coming from lower-income backgrounds, so when all of a sudden they're making millions and millions of dollars, they tend to get a little crazy.
But the after-effects of losing all that excitement, it's gone from your life.
There's very few guys that will transfer from that into becoming really good trainers.
duane ludwig
Yeah, that's a different scenario than me.
I've never made millions of dollars.
I still drive a fucking...
2006 Scion XB with a crack windshield and a hole in the seat.
I never made a million dollars in my last few fights.
I was contracted with UFC, it was like 15 and 15. I didn't win my last couple fights, so I walked away after sponsors like 20 grand and then pay out my percentages.
I never made good money.
I've never broken six figures, so it's a different scenario.
That's why I'm glad I have the passion.
I can live through these guys, you know, in the cage, just watching them.
And, you know, having them win, it makes me feel, it just keeps me still relevant in life, you know.
joe rogan
Yeah, I didn't even mean necessarily, I mean, part of it was their success, making the money, but it was also just that, you know, they're wild dudes.
And then once they lose that ability to get that crazy fix every few months from a fight, it's really hard for a fighter to find something that they can throw their passion into that makes them feel like their life is still, you know, they're still, like, living their life to the hilt.
duane ludwig
Uh-huh.
tj dillashaw
That's one thing about Dwayne, dude.
He'll be passionate about anything.
I don't care if it's walking down the street.
You know what I mean?
He's going to be the best at it.
joe rogan
Do you hear Mike Passenier from Mike's Gym when he was talking about training Alistair Overeem?
One of the things he said that I thought was really interesting in the pre-fight.
You know, Reem, he does those documentaries.
duane ludwig
Yeah, those are sweet.
joe rogan
They're badass.
Whoever does those is an artist.
The music's great.
The scenes are really artistically seen.
But Mike said, you know...
A champion is a champion no matter what he does.
When he's tying his shoes, he's a champion.
He's a champion when he gets out of bed.
He's a champion when he brushes teeth.
But it's right.
That mentality, to really hit the highest levels of something, you have to be like, that's all you accept out of life.
duane ludwig
That's how I am.
I'm very black and white.
I try to do everything.
I don't try.
I do everything to my full potential with whatever I do.
It's just the way I'm wired.
It's how I've been.
I haven't originally taught this.
It's just how I am.
So I don't know who to think.
I guess our creator, who or me, whatever it is.
But I mean, I love everything that I do.
It's good times, man.
joe rogan
Well, it's also you've become successful as a martial artist.
And you were very successful as a kickboxer and very successful as an MMA fighter.
So you know, after all these years of competition, exactly what fighters are going through.
duane ludwig
Mm-hmm.
joe rogan
You know, you know it.
I mean, you're not guessing it.
You're not like putting together game plans based on intelligent decisions, but you haven't been there yourself.
You've got both going on.
duane ludwig
Yeah, that's what I think helps, too, here at Team Off Remote with these guys.
They know I've done it, and they know I'm passionate.
I'm there for these motherfuckers, like 100%.
I watch film like a motherfucker.
I make sure that when I do game plans or I do drills in the class, it's for these specific guys.
You know, class of 20, 30 people, I make sure in our hour and a half class, you know, four or five rounds is for this guy.
Four or five rounds is for this guy.
And I make sure that I game plan, I tailor things.
And then also when we do our private lessons, it's specifically for that fight based on what they're already good at.
Because they say, okay, TJ's good at, you know, these ten things.
You know, his opponent's good at these ten things.
We've got to be aware of these.
Okay, five of TJ's things are going to work perfect for this guy.
Well, let's drill the fuck out of those five things.
So that's one of the things, too, like...
For me specifically, when Boss Rutan would give me information or a technique or a combo, he'd tell me to do something, I took it to heart 100%.
Just like the Goulet fight.
I went into that fight with my left shoulders blown out, so the only thing I had was my right hand, so that's why it kind of worked out for my favor.
joe rogan
Well, that's the fastest knockout.
duane ludwig
The fastest knockout, yeah, in UFC. So, it's just the story behind it.
It was just a two-week notice fight.
I wasn't training at all.
I was just up in the mountains doing electrical work.
My manager called me, Sven, and he's like, hey, you want to do a fight?
And I was like, yeah, sure.
What are they paying?
4-on-4.
And I was like, fuck, man.
That's like two months worth of work.
Let's go do the fight.
So I flew out and trained at Boss.
I was actually trained at the 10th Planet Bomb Squad, the old Bomb Squad.
I was just wearing takedown defense.
Connor Hewin actually, I got double underhooks on a shot and he took me over his back and blew out my left shoulder.
All I could drill, all I could drill, I dropped kicks and knees still, but just as the right hand.
So that's all I was looking for.
And the Boss was like, "Okay, he's going to come in, just step off to the side, right hand." Ding, bell comes, boom!
And I'm like, holy shit!
Did you see that?
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There's a photo!
duane ludwig
There's a photo!
I'm punching him, and he's looking away, and I'm looking at Boss.
Not looking at Boss, but I'm looking after the side just because it happened so fast.
But there's two things to that, too.
I don't think Goulet took the best punch, and I can't hit hard, so there's a couple things to that.
Then it was tentacle, and I drilled it a million times.
joe rogan
Do you have any regrets when you look back on your career?
duane ludwig
Yeah, I definitely have regrets.
My dream from a child was to be, not from a child, I guess when I was 15, 16, when I first started Thai boxing, was to fight for K1, be the heavyweight champion in K1. And I never grew that big, so then, and then just doing Thai boxing, jumping back and forth between MMA and Thai boxing, because just Thai boxing, you can't stay busy in America, or you couldn't in any way.
And then K1 created the max, the mid-weight or 70 kilos, 154. And then I actually had on the table at the same time was a K1 contract and UFC contract.
After I fought Genki, that was actually a one-fight deal and they offered me a three-fight deal and then K1 offered me a deal as well.
My dream was always to go to K1 And I went to K-1 just because that was my childhood passion.
But looking back on it now, I wish I would have stayed with the UFC from the get-go.
But, you know, just being stuck in my ways and wanting to do K-1 and go visit Japan, it was just one of those things.
But going back, I wish I would have rolled and wrestled more and then just definitely stayed in the UFC. I'd be making more money now.
I'd be more well-off.
I probably wouldn't be having...
06 Scion, and I'd probably own a house right now.
But on the flip side of that as well, if I did own a house, I could rent that, of course.
I probably wouldn't have taken the job here at T-Mobile and lived through these guys.
So I learned the hard lesson of being a 1099 subcontracted employee.
And I blew my knee out and had like three months worth of pay and a year-long injury.
So I'm like, fuck.
I was kind of figuring out what am I going to do.
And then Uriah just texted me.
He's like, hey, you want to come out and be our head trainer?
And I was like, look at that.
And I started one more surgery to go through.
And I'm like, fuck.
What did you do to your knee?
In my last fight with Che Mills, the first 10 seconds, he did an outside trip and blew my knee out the first 10 seconds of the fight.
So the ACL was completely gone and a bucket handle tear of the meniscus.
So that was gone.
So I'm actually still not 100% healed.
Well, I'm supposed to be 100% in a year and it's almost a year now.
So, maybe it's happening, but it still swells up.
So, I'm not even training or anything.
I just started holding myths for these guys about two months ago.
joe rogan
So, you had a patella tendon graft, right?
duane ludwig
Yeah, I used my patella tendon.
joe rogan
You can tell by the scar.
I've had both of those done.
I've had the regular cadaver one and the patella tendon graft.
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Oof.
duane ludwig
I shouldn't say oof, but I was, statistically speaking, You're supposed to use your own body parts, you know, a lower percentage of rejection.
joe rogan
Yeah, there's a bunch of different, mine's great, but there's a bunch of different schools of thought on that.
I wonder if it's, you know, the quality of the doctor.
I don't, I'm not smart enough or educated enough about medicine to make a real comment about that.
But for me, they're both great.
They both work great.
There's no problems.
I had meniscus taken out of the left knee.
That's the only difference.
duane ludwig
It's a little looser.
Do you run much though?
joe rogan
No, no.
I do elliptical machines.
I like to do sprints on elliptical machines.
I like to crank it up really heavy, like put it on, depending on whatever it is, like right below the highest level, and just do 30 minute wild man sprints.
That's what I do, or 30 seconds rather, wild man sprints.
That's what I do if I'm in a hotel room, and I can't, you know, if there's not a gym there, if you just have one of those elliptical machines, you can still get a badass workout.
tj dillashaw
Those will kill your legs, man.
joe rogan
You just gotta go nutty with it.
I just do it like a fucking dragon's chasing me.
30 seconds.
And then I take 30 seconds of just breathing.
I'm moving, but I'm just breathing.
So I just warm up for 10 minutes and then do that.
tj dillashaw
I've been doing that in the hotels or wherever you're at, and people are just looking at you like, what the hell is this guy doing, dude?
It's just an elliptical, man.
Chill out.
You're training for a fight, just yelling on the machine, or sprinting as hard as you can on the treadmill, you know?
brian redban
He makes me shy when we go work out because I feel like somebody's having sex next to me.
duane ludwig
That's what it's got to be.
You got to go for it.
joe rogan
It's got to do it.
I'm not even preparing for anything.
I'm just scared.
duane ludwig
There's a lot online there.
joe rogan
I'm scared.
tj dillashaw
The dragon's chasing you.
joe rogan
Yeah, if I'm lifting weights, I'm lifting like I might die.
If I don't get this weight up, I'm going to die.
duane ludwig
It's a different mentality.
These guys know they're literally putting their lives online when they step in the cage.
There is a possibility, of course, There's a possibility you get hit by a car when you cross the street as well.
incredibly dangerous job just one of those things but you know i love it man it's uh you know i loved it when i was fighting you know passion started kind of dwindling away so it's just perfect timing like you know things work out for you know happen for a reason whatever i'm learning to believe and understand that this is my own path in my own career although you know there are some things that you know whatever you believe and you know conceive you can achieve kind of thing so that kind of thing like That's 100% true, I feel.
joe rogan
Well, it certainly is with you.
It certainly is with me.
I always wonder what the fuck is really going on with that.
Whether or not you just got lucky and you're just looking back on being lucky going, well, you know, it's just the world works out for itself.
Does it really work out for itself?
Or is it just you capitalize on whatever the fuck you balance yourself out and you get through it no matter what?
It's not that everything happens for a reason.
It's just that if you have the correct attitude...
And you don't get hung up on things, you can succeed.
You just keep pushing forward.
You find your opportunities eventually, and you jump through them.
I mean, who's to say that opportunities couldn't have come up that were even better a year ago, or ten years ago, or five years ago?
They could have.
But it's a matter of when they do, or when you create them, capitalize.
duane ludwig
Yes, 100%.
joe rogan
So you were in the perfect position to do that.
It was perfect.
It was a good gig.
So it's smart to jump on it, and perfect for you.
duane ludwig
Yeah, for me, spiritually and anything, just living through these guys now, it's another rebirth.
And I am the correct guy for this job, man.
We're vibing fucking 100% perfect, man.
It's awesome.
It's a great mix with these guys.
They have no problem drilling.
I don't have to babysit these motherfuckers.
They show up on time.
They show respect that they're there to get better.
They help each other.
Even though they don't have fights coming up, they still come in and help the training partner.
Because I'm like, okay, look, today you need to be this guy.
You need to be Clay Guida for Tim Mendes.
And then he'll mimic Clay Guida and watch the film and come in and dance around and do his thing just to give us the look of our next opponent.
That's the way it's got to be.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's so important.
tj dillashaw
I don't really have training camps.
I've been training for the last two months helping Uriah get ready.
Chad's fighting next weekend.
Joseph's fighting September 4th.
Danny just fought in Seattle.
So I've been helping everyone get ready.
I've been in shape for the last who knows how long.
So I'm always ready to take a fight as long as I'm not injured.
joe rogan
It's a crazy gig, man.
duane ludwig
That's why I worked out good for his last fight.
His last two fights were short-nosed fights, but he's always training.
joe rogan
Oh, he's in shape, so it doesn't matter.
You guys have a really cool camp, and I think one of the things that's really important is what you said about that wrestler mentality.
When they were trying to take wrestling out of the Olympics, So many people were really frustrated and really angry, and people who have never wrestled don't understand this.
I only wrestled for one season, so I'm just talking out of my ass, but I know what it did for me just in one season.
I remember doing that one season of wrestling and thinking, that's probably the hardest I've ever worked at anything in my fucking life.
And I had done martial arts from much earlier than that.
I had been involved in physical things.
I played sports, but I played soccer.
I'm like, this is the nuttiest, most soul-crushing shit.
When you're exhausted and they make you fucking doing sprints, carrying guys on your back, and you're just nutty shit, man.
duane ludwig
Run and go, motherfucker, let's go.
joe rogan
Running stairs, and they broke you.
You would show up every day.
Everything in your body would be fucking sore.
But if you can get through that, it'll make you an incredibly strong person.
And that's the advantage that the wrestler mentality has.
I always say that if the pyramid of mixed martial arts techniques was ever established, in my opinion at least, wrestling is the base.
Agreed.
And it's not just because of the actual ability to control where the fight takes place, whether standing up or To take it to the ground, whether you're using it Chuck Liddell style or whether you're Ben Askren in it.
The most important aspect of it is the mentality that comes with that training.
It's not like jujitsu.
It's not like kickboxing.
Nobody else works that hard.
tj dillashaw
And we weigh in every week.
We compete every weekend.
joe rogan
And you're always hungry.
tj dillashaw
Oh, always.
You have to be.
If you're not, you're getting beat.
You're not going to be the best in the world.
joe rogan
Definitely.
tj dillashaw
You have to have the mentality of pushing harder than that next guy in that sport because it's just a one-on-one muscle versus muscle.
It's tough.
joe rogan
I think the weight-cutting aspect of it is a huge tragedy in high school, though.
I really, really do.
I have a friend who was a really good wrestler in high school, and he tried to stay at 128 through his entire career, and he was a fucking zombie in his senior year.
The kid always had bad That was me at 55, man.
duane ludwig
I would just kill myself.
I didn't know how to cut weight right.
Abilene on, rubber suit, running.
Like training Thai style, just running a lot and just killing my body.
So I think, I don't think I definitely fucking know 100% that killed me.
That caused my passion as well and then wasn't able to receive punches as well either just from draining my body and not rehydrating correctly.
So I just didn't understand the game until I got with Mike Dolce and that motherfucker, he's got his shit down.
He definitely knows how to make the human body lose weight correctly and then come back also.
But it was all a journey.
I learned a lot.
It's a lesson.
I know exactly who the fuck Dwayne Ludwig is now, that's for sure.
That's what wrestling or anything, you know.
joe rogan
You know what you're capable of.
duane ludwig
I definitely know exactly what the fuck I'm capable of.
joe rogan
Yeah, you know your limitations.
I mean, there comes a point in time when you literally can go no further.
You can take no steps.
You can lift your body up.
You're done.
Can you get there, though?
Do you get there, or do you decide that ten steps before that is there?
Because that could be the difference between winning a fight and losing a fight.
The difference between being able to keep those RPMs up just a little while longer than the next guy.
And that's what wrestling teaches you.
Because wrestling is a strange martial art in that, you know, you look at a guy like Askren, who is not, like, physically the most...
Like, Kevin Randleman is the most ridiculously physically impressive fighter I think I've ever seen.
I mean, just a super alpha male, mesomorphic build.
But you look at Ben Askren, you don't see that.
But if you said, like, who is the better wrestler?
Well, the better dynamic athlete is Kevin Randleman, for sure.
But man, as far as wrestling accomplishments, Ben Askren's more accomplished.
And that's pretty incredible because in wrestling, you engage.
There's going to be an engaging.
And if you don't engage, you're going to lose points for it.
So you're going to tie up and you're going to find out what the fuck is up once you do that.
And there's a difference in that.
And in the fact that it's going to go down.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Whereas, like, kickboxing, man, we've all seen bouts where almost nothing happens.
There's a lot of fucking moving.
They both decide to coast.
That shit can happen.
duane ludwig
Someone's question in the brain, you know, you're talking about, like, boring fights and such.
How about when, what was it, Dan Severin and Ken Shamrock fought?
Hey, you like that one, Mr. Rogan?
Where you at, motherfucker?
joe rogan
No, that one, I was like, this sport's not ready for this yet.
But I think we had to go through that.
Look, I would have hated to watch it, but I think we had to go through it as martial arts, like as a martial art, which mixed martial arts is, essentially.
I mean, it is the sport most realistic to fighting.
And I think we had to know that that can happen, that these two fucking guys can just circle each other and do nothing.
I mean, we have to know.
We've seen a bunch of fights like that.
duane ludwig
So that's when, instead of encouraging the stand-up, you encourage a shot motherfucker?
joe rogan
I don't encourage shit, man.
This is what I say.
I say, if a guy like Clay Guida can run away from Gray Maynard for three rounds, then so be it.
So he can.
duane ludwig
Maynard should have switched his stuff up.
joe rogan
I get it.
I know what you're saying.
You would like him to try to win, but he's not gonna.
Okay, so that's possible, too.
So here's a guy who just decides to stay alive.
Okay, he's not trying to win the fight.
There's nothing wrong with that.
I mean, I think there is.
There is in watching it.
I don't want to watch it.
But then the market will dictate whether you watch that guy again.
You know, if you're going to watch a guy like Michael Chandler, he's a good example.
duane ludwig
Nice, yeah.
joe rogan
A lot of guys don't know who he is.
He's one of the best 155ers in the world, and he's a fucking animal.
unidentified
He's awesome.
joe rogan
He comes after dudes.
And so when you get a guy like that, or a guy like Melvin Manhoof as a kickboxer, you get these wild berserker dudes, Matt Vanderlei Silva, you want to watch them.
And so they're worth more money.
And they're going to get booked more, and they're going to get higher plays.
I mean, people are going to want to see that shit.
So I think that...
If you have a boring style, you ultimately pay for it in your career, and that's how it should be.
The market, I think, should dictate how you do with that style.
But if you're a dude like Ben...
Let's say Ben Askren gets to the UFC, which is entirely possible now.
I guess he's a free agent.
And he just mugs GSP. Just gets all the GSP and just sticks his fucking...
Just on his face for five rounds and punches him in the head.
tj dillashaw
Dude, I believe he could do it.
joe rogan
He might.
Look, but what if he does?
Then what the fuck do we do?
What if he can do that to everybody?
What if Ben Askren just monkey fucks everybody?
And every middleweight fight from here on out is like, in a lot of fans' eyes, is uneventful and boring.
Guess what?
That shit's real.
Somebody has to figure out how to stuff the takedown.
Somebody has to figure out how to either hit him coming in or you got a Marcelo Garcia.
You got to get someone who's so high level on the ground that he can't stay in those positions.
duane ludwig
That's when it comes, you know, you're watching the film and you say, okay, he does this.
So when he does that, I'm going to make him do that.
By me doing this, he'll play the what-if game.
We play a lot of what-if games.
joe rogan
I don't want to give away any game plans in case any of your boys fight him.
But without specific for any particular fighter.
If someone was going to fight Ben Askren, how would you tell him?
duane ludwig
I'd have to study some films.
I don't even watch them, to be honest.
joe rogan
Okay, how about Fitch?
I know you watch Fitch.
duane ludwig
Yeah, I've watched Fitch.
joe rogan
Fitch is similar in a lot of ways.
duane ludwig
I'd have to watch film with the mindset of coaching against him.
Because there's a difference.
Because I watch film...
And I'll take a film, and it depends, because some film I can watch, or I just go off memory, I already know how to beat the guy, or how I feel like he can beat the guy, you know?
So, I get crazy with fucking watching film.
And so, I'll take a film, or I used to anyway, I used to take a film, watch it sober, boom.
I used to take it and watch it high, just to give me an honest approach, because I am very biased, and I'm there for my fucking guys, 100%.
So I notice that.
I watch fights and I'm like, fuck man, my guys can do this, this, this.
And I realize I'm not watching this with an honest, open mind.
And I watch it on AlphaBrain as well, on it from AlphaBrain, just to get different looks on things.
I have another guy in Colorado, Mike Temple, who watches the fights.
I ask the fighters to watch the fights so I get a whole bunch of film.
I'll make notes, compare the notes, see what we need to work with.
But some guys, I can just watch the film and break it down and know right off the bat.
But...
I'd have to watch Fitch, to answer your question, with the correct mindset of me being coached.
Because me right now, I'm hyped up.
This is fucking awesome for me.
I love this shit.
joe rogan
It's awesome for me, too.
duane ludwig
I've learned so much from the Rogan podcast and from you and your guests.
Mike Dolce, Alex Gray, Graham Hancock, Daniel Bellelli, Joey Cocodias.
A lot of guys have been on here, man.
I fucking...
I've learned more from this fucking podcast than I had in school or my life trials, for sure, 100%.
So this has done a lot for me.
So for me to be on this, man, it's fucking cool.
It's like I'm still relevant.
I'm doing things in life, which is cool.
Like Boss Rootin' Stories on here.
Boss is a fucking man.
I love that guy.
joe rogan
I do too.
duane ludwig
Where's my black belt, Boss?
Where's that motherfucker?
Where's that bitch?
joe rogan
No, listen, it's the same for me, man.
duane ludwig
I know it's your podcast, Mr. Rogan, but if you keep interrupting me, I'm going to get motherfucking...
Go ahead, go ahead.
Carry on.
joe rogan
I have, as well, it's not a one-way street.
Having these conversations with people like you, being able to pick people's brains, being able to have these...
Well, it's these exchanges, you know?
duane ludwig
The energy, yeah, the exchanges.
That's what I love about it.
What's a cool fucking journey for me is for me to create a combo or a technique, you know, and show it to somebody, and have them drill it, pull it off the sparring, and then win the fucking fight with that same exact technique.
That shit is fucking nuts.
That's fucking cool, man.
joe rogan
You know what's really cool about it?
It really is artistic.
It's Yes, it's art.
duane ludwig
Everything is an art.
joe rogan
And especially considering the fact that there's really no established protocol to do it.
Everybody has their own way.
If you went to Greg Jackson, he would have one method to train a fighter.
If you went to Matt Hume, he would have a different way of training a fighter.
duane ludwig
See, that's what I think.
I've trained with Greg.
I haven't trained with Matt.
I've trained with Greg.
He's got great stuff.
He's got awesome stuff.
Again, I'm making sure I'm adjusting to the athlete.
I'm not trying to make them me.
It's like Chad Mendes, he hits mitts.
He does certain things a certain way.
TJ does things a certain way.
I need to adjust to these guys.
I need to give them my ideas, my opinions, my...
My little bits of information while they're doing what they feel comfortable doing.
Because if you can pull that off, what I would feel, you know, technically incorrect, but if you can make that work, you can make that work.
What the fuck can I say?
I can't argue with success.
If you're landing that right hand with that hook, I mean, I'd say, you know, you're lunging in, your chin's up, you know, you're out of position.
You're making it work, you're making it work.
But how about let's keep our position?
How about let's set that up a different, another way?
Just give it another look at things.
So to answer the question as far as I encourage my guys to get other pieces of information.
You know, go train over there.
Go get different looks.
I want to bring people in.
I want to start bringing, hopefully Boston, come to T-Mobile and do a seminar.
I'm hoping to bring Leicester Bowling.
joe rogan
Yeah, it doesn't take away from your value it adds to.
duane ludwig
Why don't you keep interrupting me?
I'm helping you.
joe rogan
Don't get hung up on that.
It's a conversation.
You're not doing a lecture.
duane ludwig
So I just love it, man.
I definitely want to have as much input because I don't want to be stubborn and set in my ways.
We're making these guys do one thing.
I want these guys to be the best martial artists they can be.
So if that means bringing other guys, that means visiting other gyms, man, fucking do it.
I'm not here for me.
I'm here for these fucking guys.
joe rogan
That's a big thing, though, right?
You have to bring in other people.
duane ludwig
I think so, 100%.
joe rogan
And isn't that, that was a real problem with some trainers.
duane ludwig
Some trainers, yeah.
joe rogan
Worried about other people coming in, they were going to take their thunder.
duane ludwig
You know what was really cool is I was just in Boston for a Uriah's fight, and Mark Delagrade handed me out for a seminar, and there's open doors, let me teach the students.
And it's the way, you know, his energy and shit, that was fucking awesome.
joe rogan
He's beautiful.
duane ludwig
He's a true martial artist, man.
I love that dude.
He's very fucking cool.
And he did a Technique of the Week video, just like you did as well, for my Bang Muay Thai series.
So, you know, that was awesome, man.
I got...
A great group of people around me, like Mr. Rogan, you know, the team of female, and my art design guy, Aaron in Colorado, and my highlight guy, James Blair, who just did my new highlight with the team.
That's a great highlight.
He can edit some fucking video, man.
joe rogan
What's the name of that, if you want to find that on YouTube?
Pull that shit up, because it's pretty wild.
duane ludwig
It's the newest one.
I think it's the latest upload or second upload on my YouTube channel, Bangway Tsai YouTube channel.
But I just made it a video, and 100%.
I'm in team of female.
We're in Sacramento to do three things.
Take care of my family and I, get these motherfuckers world titles, and then to push my Bang with Thai brand.
I need to take my martial art information and monetize it.
I need to make money off that now.
I mean, I ain't making no fucking money.
I'm not rich, man.
For real.
I want to own a house.
I want to have my shit paid off.
I want to live a comfortable life for my family and I. I'm not going to be the martial artist who's not making any motherfucking money.
I know too much not to teach.
Yeah, as they become successful, it'll trickle down to me, which is cool.
joe rogan
I shouldn't say if they become successful.
duane ludwig
No, they are.
These motherfuckers are very successful.
See, that's the thing, too.
Before I came, look how successful they've been without me.
I'm not trying to change shit.
I'm just trying to tighten them up.
I'm not trying.
I'm fucking doing it.
I'm tightening them up.
It's because they're listening to me, and it's because they know I'm there for them.
So there's a couple layers to this onion of our success.
It's not just me.
It's their belief in me as well.
It's the way I carry myself.
It's the way they carry themselves.
I'm adapting to them.
I'm not there trying to make them join Ludwig.
I'm making them the best martial arts that I can help them be.
joe rogan
Is there a danger of keeping the name Alpha Male?
Has it hit the critical douche point yet?
I worry about it.
I worry about the Alpha Brain.
I'm like, man, it bros out at about a solid seven right now.
duane ludwig
I feel like Splinter from the Ninja Turtles.
These are my Ninja Turtles.
In San Jose, on April 20th, we rolled in and had TJ Dillashaw, Benavidez, and Mendes all just come and smash their opponents and leave.
It was like we just rolled into the town, smashed them in the bounce.
That was the fucking coolest shit ever.
I wish people could experience that same energy.
All that is just fucking cool, man.
joe rogan
I love it.
I'm living that shit.
duane ludwig
I fucking love it, man.
joe rogan
You're seeing improvement.
You're seeing real technical improvement.
You brought up Chad Mendes before.
God damn, is that dude a fucking athlete.
duane ludwig
He is on another level.
How Mike Tyson stuck out in the boxing world, this is Chad Mendes.
He is a successful, a very dynamic, super athletic athlete.
joe rogan
I know he lost to Aldo, but I believe that was before you guys started working together, right?
duane ludwig
Correct, yeah.
joe rogan
I've seen big leaps.
duane ludwig
I just came to the team in January.
He's got one of those...
joe rogan
Freaky abilities to cover distance with punches.
duane ludwig
He is an explosive athlete.
tj dillashaw
He's so fast.
joe rogan
God damn.
tj dillashaw
He's fast.
duane ludwig
He's on another level.
100%.
joe rogan
That's the same thing when I was talking about Marcelo finishing up guillotines.
There's guys like Mendes that hit takedowns.
They hit doubles and you're like, Jesus Christ.
tj dillashaw
His takedown is a missile.
It's impossible to stop.
joe rogan
That's what's so crazy about Aldo.
That Aldo stuffed that.
tj dillashaw
I think Chad gave him too much respect.
You know what I mean?
I think Chad just gave him too much respect on some stuff.
joe rogan
You have to though.
Yeah, you have to.
duane ludwig
Give him respect, but not to the point where it's hindering your own ability.
That's the thing I did when I fought Ramon Deckers.
You've got to give Ramon Deckers all the respect in the world.
joe rogan
For folks who don't know, one of the greatest Muay Thai fighters of all time, it's very arguable, the greatest.
duane ludwig
Yeah, 100%.
I just looked up to him too much, and I just didn't perform to my full ability, and that was disrespectful to him, I felt.
That was one of the things, too.
You know, I mean, he socks me up and, you know, he won and he'd probably do it again, but I just didn't perform to my full potential.
But, I mean, he'd probably beat my ass no matter what, man.
I love that dude.
joe rogan
He was a good guy.
And in all fairness, you also fought him.
He was pretty late in his career, right?
duane ludwig
Yeah, late in his career and he still socks me up.
Bullshit.
Damn it.
Yeah, he's good, man.
I'm a motherfucker.
Yeah, man, much respect for that guy.
joe rogan
He has bad ankles now or something, though?
duane ludwig
Well, he passed now.
Oh, yeah, I know he does.
joe rogan
He died recently bike riding, right?
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
joe rogan
He had a heart attack show?
duane ludwig
Yeah, fucking crazy man.
joe rogan
But he used to have really bad ankles, right?
duane ludwig
Like towards the end of his career he had destroyed.
I mean he hit too hard for his weight and his body.
The guy was a powerhouse.
He was the Dutch windmill or something, I forgot one of his nicknames.
But Ramon Decker's is badass.
brian redban
We found one of the videos but when we went to the YouTube page it said it didn't exist.
joe rogan
Just look up Bang Muay Thai Highlight.
I'll find it in three seconds.
brian redban
Here's a Thai punch slip drill.
joe rogan
No, that's not it.
Bang Muay Thai Highlight.
duane ludwig
Bang Muay Thai, Team Alpha Male Highlight.
joe rogan
I bet you don't even have to write that.
Yeah, you do, actually.
Bang Muay Thai Highlight, Alpha Male Highlight.
Yeah, that's it.
Go to Bang Muay Thai Highlight and choose the third one down.
It says Bang Muay Thai, Team Alpha Male.
Put it up so we can see it.
You fucked up, Brian.
brian redban
Now, when we have the TVs off, it turns off the display monitor.
joe rogan
Oh, okay.
Here we go, back on.
unidentified
Who's that?
joe rogan
That's an instant anyway.
Powerful instant anyway.
What a cool motherfucker.
We did like a 1 o'clock in the morning podcast.
duane ludwig
Yeah, that was cool.
I heard that.
I listen to all kinds of podcasts, man.
I love this podcast.
joe rogan
That was so cool.
It was like him and Chuck just sitting here chilling.
duane ludwig
That's got to be cool, man.
joe rogan
Talking about the old days.
duane ludwig
Hoping out with the Fukushima and such, man.
That's cool.
joe rogan
Isn't that nuts, man?
They said Fukushima is getting worse and worse.
They're starting to see radiation in tuna.
duane ludwig
Wow.
joe rogan
Showed elevated radiation, 3% elevation in radiation of tuna that they're catching in California.
Yeah, this is the highlight.
Put that shit on full screen.
tj dillashaw
This highlight is badass.
duane ludwig
This just got done today.
Thank you, James Blair.
This guy can freaking edit some videos, man.
He's been hooking me up for a long time.
He does all kinds of badass videos.
joe rogan
What the fuck is that?
unidentified
There you go.
joe rogan
Powerful promotion.
duane ludwig
I'm pumping my stuff, man, you know?
joe rogan
It's not me, I'm saying I'm promoting you.
duane ludwig
Sorry, I thank you.
Mr. Rogan, thank you, sir.
unidentified
You're welcome.
I appreciate it.
joe rogan
Yeah, whoever edited this is a fucking beast.
duane ludwig
James Blair.
That guy's badass.
joe rogan
Oh, he did an awesome job.
duane ludwig
Hey, Benavid.
joe rogan
Where you at, Benavid?
The music and everything.
Look at this head kick.
I wanted to ask you about that, too.
unidentified
Yes, sir.
joe rogan
The kicks to the back of the head.
Well, let this play out first.
Let it play out.
unidentified
Let it play out.
joe rogan
It's a fucking badass.
duane ludwig
There's the next UFC champion.
unidentified
Benavidez?
duane ludwig
It depends who gets the shot first.
Chad Mendes or Benavidez?
Both of them.
I think it's going to be Chad.
It's closer to the title shot.
Just for the ranking situation.
joe rogan
Benavidez is also getting better, man.
He's a fucking animal.
That was the same.
duane ludwig
Dillashaw, poof!
Where you at?
joe rogan
Oh, I loved that fight.
Dude, that was the first fight where I said, wow, you hit another level.
You were clearly on another level.
Technically, the way you were moving, I appreciate that.
duane ludwig
Cousin Leonard Garcia.
joe rogan
That kid's a wild motherfucker.
So is this one.
Benavidez is a wild motherfucker with his nipple rings and shit.
tj dillashaw
Tornado of punches, man.
joe rogan
Dude weighs in with nipple rings on.
He's a savage.
Yeah, that was a great fight too, man.
duane ludwig
You almost did that to me today on the mitts.
joe rogan
Oh, you're an animal.
brian redban
This soundtrack sounds like you walking through a door in your TV show, Joe.
joe rogan
There's not enough screeching.
tj dillashaw
Wolves calling.
joe rogan
Damn.
What a wild highlight.
duane ludwig
That's the top of my Bangaway Thai system.
What I do is, each week I send out to my affiliates, I have four to ten detailed video curriculums showing them exactly what drill or technique to do that week.
And each week I take my iPhone.
That's what it is.
I'm not just trying to sell you a banner of my name and put it on your gym.
I take my fucking iPhone, like we recorded the video today, I take my iPhone, I say, okay, I have my curriculum, I have my structured curriculum.
Whatever we do this week, we do that same class in three or six months from now, depending on if it's an intermediate or fundamental curriculum.
But I take my phone, I record the videos, mainly with TJ Dillashaw, I record, okay, this is the drill that you do, boom, here's live, boom, boom, boom.
Now you're going to do this drill five for five or one full round of pieces, depending on what it is and what week it is as well.
But I send them exactly what fucking drills and combos to do that week.
Each and every week I send that shit out.
And I'm very proud of it.
I know too much not to teach, man.
I love it.
I wish I had this for me when I was coming up.
And I love life now.
It's fucking cool.
joe rogan
Are you on Adderall?
duane ludwig
No, I'm excited.
joe rogan
This is him, dude.
duane ludwig
I'm fucking excited.
I got whatever.
What's this coffee?
Bulletproof coffee, man.
And I took four alpha brains.
joe rogan
That'll do it.
duane ludwig
Dude, I'm telling you, man.
This is fucking...
I love the...
joe rogan
What's the alternative names for alpha brains?
I think you can get away with...
By the way, I was only joking about the alpha male thing.
I think you can get away with it.
Because people call us Death Squad, which is way douchier.
Right?
tj dillashaw
As long as you act cool, man, the name will be alright.
brian redban
I heard it's pounding too hard to talk about.
tj dillashaw
You know what I mean?
joe rogan
He's making your heart pound?
duane ludwig
I'm excited, man.
joe rogan
I love this shit, man.
duane ludwig
It's like we're training.
I'm passionate.
I love life, man.
I love it.
I came through so much bullshit as a child.
I'm happy I could do what the fuck I want to do right now.
I love life, man.
It's fucking cool.
I got to make the decisions that I want to fucking make as an adult now.
Well, most of the decisions anyway.
It's good, man.
Life's good.
I'm living through these guys.
They're going to get a fucking world title.
It's going to be Benavidez or Chad first, depending on what shot we get first.
I'm going to game plan the fuck out of that, but I'm going to game plan in there and make sure that I'm going to ask them to do what I feel they need to do for the fight.
I'm not trying to make them me.
joe rogan
Right.
You're just enjoying watching them progress.
duane ludwig
I fucking enjoy this shit.
Yeah, man.
I'm learning to the point now that when I have a good time like this Rogan podcast where we train or I'm in the fights, I'm learning to embrace that shit 100% as much as I can.
And then when I have a problem or a difficult time, I'm stepping away and looking at that from the sides.
I don't want to be wrapped up in the problems.
I want to look at the problems from the distance.
And we have a good time when I'm in that cage and I'm walking these guys out and I'm fucking holding myths on the podcast.
I'm trying to enjoy this shit to the full fucking potential that I can.
Because I know I'm going to be on this fucking earth for however long I'm going to be.
Knock your shit off, TJ. No gold stars for you.
I don't even have to get you to slow down.
I love this shit, man.
I do.
joe rogan
No, I don't.
You said I love it.
I'm going to say that shit some more.
We totally got that part of your message.
duane ludwig
I love it, man.
joe rogan
We got that part of your message.
We're well aware that you, in fact, love it.
duane ludwig
Well, I want to make sure other motherfuckers love their life, too.
So they need to make the decision that they need to make to be fucking happy.
joe rogan
Doing something that people enjoy and doing something that you can help people with is one of the keys to happiness.
duane ludwig
That's one of the things, too.
I'm seeing these guys get better human beings and martial artists.
That's making me feel good.
joe rogan
Well, isn't it an interesting thing?
It's like being a fighter and being a training partner are two very different things.
And then being a trainer is another very different thing.
And a lot of people don't understand that.
To be a good training partner, you have to, first of all, you have to know where a fighter is in their development.
You've got to not take advantage of them.
You've got to not hit them.
When you know they're doing five fresh guys in a row, don't be a dickhead.
Just make them work.
Make the guy work.
That's what you're supposed to be doing.
duane ludwig
I ask the guys at the gym.
I tell them, you know, I ask them.
joe rogan
Did you interrupt me now, bitch?
duane ludwig
Yes, I did.
You ready to go?
What the hell?
tj dillashaw
Let's beat him up.
duane ludwig
It might take two of us for this game.
joe rogan
What I was going to say.
duane ludwig
Sorry, carry on.
joe rogan
No, I'm just kidding.
duane ludwig
No, carry on.
joe rogan
I was going to say that being a trainer is another, that's the next thing.
It's a completely different thing.
And in that, you're benefiting entirely on other people benefiting from you.
And you take your pride in molding them as fighters, you know?
duane ludwig
For sure.
joe rogan
It's a very different experience though, right?
duane ludwig
It is a different experience, but it's something I've been doing since I was 19 anyway, is just helping professional athletes train.
It's just because I need to train the partners.
I'm telling the guys, if I'm doing this, look out for this, and just helping people break things down, help coach me as well.
So it's been a give and take, and now for me to do it full-time, man, and again, I'm not even going to say it, but I love it.
joe rogan
Do you think you're happier as a trainer than you were as a fighter?
duane ludwig
100%.
I was too stressed, and I understood that.
When I win the fight, I'm going to make so much.
If I didn't win the fight, I'm going to make this much.
That was a hard thing for me.
In 2004, after I won my second world title on kickboxing, My first world title was MMA with Janz, and then my second world title was a Thai boxing world title.
So once I did that, I completed the goals that I set in my life.
And then from there, things changed.
We could look at just the statistics of my record.
It was boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.
Maybe, you know, a launch or two, boom, boom, boom, boom.
Kicking not everybody's ass, but doing good.
And then at 2004, when I won my second world title, it just went boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.
joe rogan
You just lost your enthusiasm.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yep, since 2004. Was it just a matter of just not being able to keep up certain RPMs, or was it the training environment?
duane ludwig
You know...
I'm not quite sure where to push the blame, but the main thing for me to say...
joe rogan
What's not really blame?
duane ludwig
Well, you know, it just depends on how you look at it.
Well, obviously, right?
Life.
But I just set a goal to win the world title, kickboxing world title, when I was a child.
My first world title was MMA world title.
I didn't complete my goal.
So I went for the world, the kickboxing world title, came around, and I finally got it.
So then that just changed things for me.
I said my goal was too low, basically.
What title did you have in MMA? When I fought Jens Pover in UCC in Canada.
that was his first I think his first fight once he left the UFC that was a quick knockout too right correct yeah yeah that was yeah that was when you were you know you were really super fucking sharp back then really super sharp especially when you're striking yep correct yeah oh you know I was healthy I was enthusiastic everything was good but once I won my second world title you know I just And then I started searching for, okay, I need a certain opponent to motivate me.
Or I need a certain training gap.
Maybe I need to go train here.
I started searching for things.
Maybe money's going to motivate me.
And I started searching for things to motivate me.
Because I'm just very black and white.
I'm going to win a world title.
I set my goal.
I went to it.
I got it.
And I was kind of like, now what?
joe rogan
Do you ever stop and go, damn, I wish I had somebody like me training me?
duane ludwig
I say that 100% of the time.
That's why I tell these fucking guys too.
I'm there coaching them.
I'm there for them.
Pay attention.
Don't waste my fucking time.
Don't show up late.
Don't do the drill half fast.
We're doing split seconds in fractions of an inch.
It's got to be fucking done right or don't fucking do it.
joe rogan
And there's more money in MMA now.
duane ludwig
There's more money in MMA now, for sure.
joe rogan
Back when you were in King of the Cage.
duane ludwig
Yeah, my first two fights in King of the Cage, I got zero money.
joe rogan
Yeah, the King of the Cage one when you pulled off the karate kick.
duane ludwig
Oh, story time.
Alright, here we go.
So, it was, you know, I was nervous for the fight.
So, apparently, the promoter told me that that fighter wanted to, he asked to fight me.
So, I took that personal.
I was like, okay, alright, motherfucker.
He wanted to fight me.
So, I'm backstage.
I'm a little, you know, I'm not little.
I'm nervous as fuck for the fight.
And so, boss sees that I'm nervous and he wants me to relax.
He goes, hey, Dwayne.
If you want to throw him off, do the Karate Kid.
And I'm like...
But I look back at it now, I see what he's trying to do.
Just relax me.
By the time, I'm like, fuck, boss.
I'm nervous as fuck.
I'm going to go fight.
I'm knocking off.
So I got to the point of the fight where I was just sucking him up.
I had my wings.
I was doing what I wanted.
And then it just came to me.
Just a little tribute to boss.
You do the Karate Kid.
And then I went back to fighting.
And then they stopped the bout.
unidentified
But...
duane ludwig
So, you know, I took that.
That's my angel logo.
There's a couple pieces to that.
You know, it's doing the credit kit as far as a tribute to boss.
It's got the wings because I feel like I always make the right decisions.
I don't really screw people over.
joe rogan
So you feel like you have an angel?
Correct.
duane ludwig
Well, no, that's just, you know, for me...
joe rogan
So you are an angel.
duane ludwig
It's just, it's part of me is I feel like I always do the right things and the heads bow down as far as, you know, so I'm not above people.
I'm just doing what I feel is right in life.
joe rogan
So you gave yourself some wings?
duane ludwig
I gave myself some wings, yes.
unidentified
Yes.
duane ludwig
Trademarking my shit.
joe rogan
Birds are cunts.
Do you know that?
Birds are like some of the shittiest, fucking nastiest animals.
You should give yourself like puppy ears.
Just to show that you're really lovable and perfect.
How come everybody wants to be an eagle?
Nobody wants to be a puppy.
Puppies are like way sweeter than eagles.
Eagles are fucking assholes.
Well, yeah, Eagle, eat a puppy.
Snatch that motherfucker right out of your hands.
Take him off to a treetop and eat his brains.
duane ludwig
That puppy's got to work his footwork, you know, his basics.
He's got to be moving, motherfucker, let's go.
joe rogan
Come on, that's rude.
He's a baby.
duane ludwig
The parents should have been watching the fucking kid, right?
joe rogan
It's true.
tj dillashaw
Little bangs, always training.
duane ludwig
Yeah, for real.
If he sees the logo, like he's watching the highlight video this morning, that just got finished today.
He sees the angel logo, he goes, that's me.
So it's awesome.
My little boy.
His name's Dwayne Bang Ludwig, my little boy.
So he's badass.
And I have a third baby on the way.
And his middle name's going to be Boss.
So that's going to be cool.
joe rogan
Okay, I was going to say, you can't name him Dwayne 2. Go George Foreman.
duane ludwig
This is Dwayne Bang-Bang Ludwig.
joe rogan
This is Dwayne Bang-Bang.
This is Dwayne Poop.
duane ludwig
Like George Foreman, I guess, named all his kids George.
joe rogan
Yeah, he did.
duane ludwig
Easy to remember that.
joe rogan
He was a bad motherfucker.
duane ludwig
Yeah, for sure.
joe rogan
He was just too bad to have other kids, like, to have kids without his name.
He's like, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope.
Like, George, you can't name them all George.
Well, yes, I can.
Yeah, I will.
I can and I will.
Bitch, you know who I am?
unidentified
Exactly.
joe rogan
He's like, I'm not a regular dude.
Like, he feels like he can get away with shit that other people can't.
And he's right.
duane ludwig
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know?
I mean, and to people that try to stop that, he's going to call his kids George, and you're going to have to fucking deal with it.
That's just a fact.
unidentified
Yeah.
duane ludwig
That's life.
tj dillashaw
That means you're a bad man.
duane ludwig
Just like when we positioned for the Fastest Knockout to come around, they said no, but you kept helping pushing for me, and then the fans, and then finally Dana White stepped in and was like, okay, no, it's official with the UFC. So...
But it's only faster by 200 seconds.
joe rogan
I'm an amateur MMA historian.
So for me, it was like, I have all these details sort of stored in my head.
I don't really carry it around on a computer.
I literally have all these details because I love MMA. So for me, it was always a travesty.
If we're going to bring up the record, you've got to bring up Bang Ludwig.
So someone will bring up the record, but I'll go, well, but it's not the real record, because Dwayne Bang Ludwig should have the fucking record.
That's just a fact.
duane ludwig
Yeah, I appreciate it.
joe rogan
But as an historian, as an MMA historian, every fight has an asterisk.
Jon Jones has one loss.
Okay, you can call it that.
But he beat the fuck out of Matt Hamill and he was smashing him.
And the only reason why that 12-6 elbow is illegal is because when the Athletic Commission met with Big John McCarthy, they were concerned about those dudes on ESPN at 6 o'clock in the morning that are fucking smashing bricks with their elbows.
So they're like, you can't do that brick smashing move.
That shit's too powerful.
And so everybody's like, all right.
But meanwhile, maybe it's arguable that this elbow is more powerful than the downward elbow.
The downward elbow doesn't seem to have as much weight behind it as a straight elbow.
tj dillashaw
How is it any more dangerous?
It's crazy.
joe rogan
It doesn't make any sense.
But we're stuck with it.
We're totally, completely stuck with it.
duane ludwig
Yeah, that's legal in Thai boxing.
joe rogan
Yeah, it totally should be legal.
It's an elbow.
I mean, if you can hit a guy with a knee to the face, you're telling me you can't...
You know how fucking hard a knee is to the face?
You can hit him with that, but you can't hit him with an elbow like that?
That is ridiculous.
A knee might be three times harder than an elbow.
You know, like, you see what Alistair did to Travis Brown's body?
Like, God damn!
Nobody throws knees to the fucking body like the ream.
duane ludwig
He can crack some...
unidentified
For sure.
joe rogan
Damn!
Watching it in real life, it's like he's doing something totally different.
Everybody's doing one thing, but when he's doing it, it's like he's going through your fucking body.
That Travis Brown, you can't teach that kind of heart.
You can't teach that shit.
That dude has zero give up in him.
It is nothing.
If he had 1% give up in him, a half of a percent, the fight's over.
He literally weathered the craziest nuclear fucking winter storm, you know, solar fucking flares.
He weathered the craziest shit ever.
But because he didn't take it to the head, it was all just about him having the guts and the heart to power through it.
If Alistair hit him with those shots in the head, his body would just shut off.
But because he took him to the body, like, his heart got him through one of the craziest beatings I have ever witnessed anybody survive and then overcome in the same fucking round.
I mean, that was one of the greatest come-from-behind rounds of all time.
duane ludwig
I actually missed that fight.
unidentified
God damn it, Dave Blankton!
duane ludwig
Damn!
How the fuck did we miss that?
We were walking back from Uriah's fight.
Because Uriah was on the car, Uriah Faber.
So, we were walking back through the tunnel after his fight.
As they were fighting, we were doing his doctor check and such.
So, I was backstage.
But as we're walking through one of the rooms, I hear, oh, no So I run through and peek my head through the window and I see Alistair just dropping.
joe rogan
Dude, it's the craziest fight ever.
It's one of the craziest fights ever.
I wonder if we could show it.
I need to get permission from Dana White if we could just show these things.
Because sometimes they pull YouTube videos.
For folks who don't know, if shit gets pulled off of YouTube, a lot of times there's a bot that just searches for certain names.
Like if you write UFC in the title, they'll just yank our shit.
They'll just take it offline.
So you're going to put Y-O-U-F-C. And there's a lot of videos that have me online that have been, they put advertisements on.
There's a company that does that.
They'll do it for you.
Like if it's your content, they put your content online, you put an advertising on it and you get like, it's like a penny.
duane ludwig
Oh, the AdSense account or something?
joe rogan
Yeah, it's a fascinating thing, but for the UFC, they don't play.
So if it says UFC anywhere in the video, they just yank it.
brian redban
Is there a law that if their TV's in the background and you're filming with your cell phone, that that's legal?
Because that seems like when you search Miley Cyrus from MTV last night, and it's only the ones that are people filming their TV. That's a good question.
And that's why I always wondered if people always had a TV behind them to show video clips and stuff like that, because that's kind of like...
joe rogan
Well, I do know that one thing, that if you have a video, like say if you have a video, like a scene from a movie, That that scene from a movie has a digital signature.
They can find that digital signature on like YouTube.
So like a song as well, like a song has a digital signature.
And so they can do a search on that digital signature.
So if this says there's a Paul McCartney Band on the Run, they're playing Band on the Run in a video, they can find that that has Band on the Run in it.
Somehow or another they can do that.
If you take it and you film it with your phone, and obviously I'm an idiot.
Do not listen to me here.
I'm just speculating.
I know nothing about computers.
But from my idiot perspective, I would imagine that it would have a different digital signature.
It would be a different length.
The sound quality would be different.
If you were doing it from a phone, you'd have the ambient noise of the room that you're doing in.
You might have you breathe.
You might fart.
Maybe a lot of shit is on the video.
Some might not recognize it.
But that's just...
I don't even know why I'm speculating.
unidentified
Fucking wasted all your time.
There's a lot of people out there going, oh yeah, what Joe Rogan says, it's totally legal because he fought it or something.
brian redban
You keep on questioning everything.
You can't stop.
duane ludwig
Let me ask this on that show.
joe rogan
I think I'm done questioning things.
duane ludwig
With the one with chemtrails.
That one, I don't know either way, I'm not fucking up there, but there is a difference between the ones that do dissipate right away and the ones that stick around.
joe rogan
Well, again, I am absolutely not a scientist.
Anything that I will say on any, whether it's about fucking air travel or space exploration, anything that I'll say on anything, the caveat that must be stated is I don't know what the fuck I'm talking about.
I have no education on these subjects and I'm merely reiterating things that I've heard people say online.
tj dillashaw
If you were to say that, everyone would think so, though.
You sound confident about it.
joe rogan
That's the problem.
tj dillashaw
It's awesome.
joe rogan
I sound like an idiot.
Especially if I'm wrong and I'm super confident.
That's how cult gets started.
People are confident.
People want to listen to them.
But I'm super honest about what I know and what I don't know.
I'm fucking as honest as is humanly possible, even if it makes you look like an asshole.
But in that situation, I do know for a fact that when contrails are more likely, there's a map on a NASA website.
You can go to NASA's website and they'll show you where contrails will linger in the sky and where they won't.
In fact, in 1942, the government was doing a research project on what they called persistent condensation trails.
And what they discovered is during various atmospheric conditions, whether there's a lot of moisture in the atmosphere or less moisture, depending on what the conditions are, It will change the length of the contrails that appear behind jets.
And when you burn jet fuel, it creates moisture.
And when you create moisture out of that burning jet fuel and it changes the temperature of the air as it passes through like that, you literally create a cloud.
And so when people are looking at that and they're thinking, oh, the government's spraying us with fake clouds.
It's very easy to think that.
It's very easy.
And this does not mean that they haven't done...
Tests and really unethical things with spraying aerosols from planes.
We know they have.
We know that pesticides are sprayed from planes.
So we're familiar.
We have that archetype in our head of spraying poison.
We've seen the footage from Vietnam where they sprayed Agent Orange to defoliate vast parts in jungles.
We've seen all that shit.
So we're wary of things that are sprayed from planes.
And you should be.
But you should also know that there is a huge difference between that and what you're seeing in the sky on a regular basis.
And when you start saying that what you're seeing in the sky on a regular basis is the government spraying chemicals, you really throw a monkey wrench into the whole idea of them actually spraying chemicals.
Because, first of all, the argument is that they're spraying aluminum and barium.
Again, I'm not a scientist.
I'm half retarded.
Again, took a lot of shots to the head as a youngster.
But the reality is if they did spray aluminum and barium in the sky, it wouldn't linger like a cloud.
It's lingering like a cloud because it's a cloud.
And I know a lot of people have invested a long amount of their life wanting to think that what they're seeing is chemicals.
And so it fucks with you because it's hard to admit you're wrong.
It's hard to change gears.
We all know that.
But in this situation, we have to look at...
There might be times when someone's spraying something from the sky, but the majority of what you're seeing is just a byproduct of a jet engine going through condensation.
And then there's the reality.
People say, well, are they geoengineering?
No, but yes.
So here's the reality.
The reality is, even though it's just an accidental byproduct of jet travel, it does change the environment, and it is geoengineering.
But it's not on purpose.
duane ludwig
Not on purpose.
joe rogan
It's just a part of flying.
If we're gonna have...
There's 93,000 fucking flights a day worldwide.
A day.
So they're burning jet fuel in the sky above your head.
They're taking toxic fuel in fucking hundred gallon wings full of this shit.
Your wings are filled up with fucking fuel.
And they're burning that shit up in the sky and creating clouds.
Fuck yeah, it changes the environment.
But it's just like...
Pollution changes the environment in LA. When you're driving on the highway, it's not the government spraying pollution, okay?
It's fucking pollution.
It's just a byproduct of human civilization.
And a byproduct of air travel is, A, they're burning jet fuel in the sky, and B, it creates persistent condensation trails under certain atmospheric conditions.
This is the best that I could discern after research and talking to real experts.
But this doesn't, this is where people go, you're a fucking disinformation agent, Joe Rogan's working for the government.
You gotta stop and look at this shit rationally.
If you're wrong about the majority of what you see in the sky, you discredit the possibility, the very real possibility, that things have been done.
Like, there's a study about St. Louis.
duane ludwig
I think it was St. Louis.
unidentified
Hold on.
joe rogan
Let me pull this up.
St. Louis...
There was something that was in the news really recently that they discovered.
Radiation.
brian redban
I think chemtrails are just an excuse for pansies that like to look at clouds.
duane ludwig
A reason to look up in the skies.
unidentified
Clouds are beautiful, man.
duane ludwig
I'm just curious on why some stick around and why some don't.
joe rogan
Okay, so this is because of atmospheric conditions.
There's a difference between sometimes it rains and sometimes it doesn't.
Sometimes there's clouds, sometimes there's nothing in the sky.
The conditions, apparently, when it's right before a crowd, like it's kind of hazy, those are the conditions that are best for creating these persistent condensation trails.
And people have to understand, these are fucking Southwest Airlines flights you're looking at.
These are unmarked government planes.
Man, do you really know that?
What kind of telescope do you have?
How much research have you actually done?
Or, you're like me, do you just reiterate shit that you learn online?
Well, doing this show and doing the show on chemtrails, more people got fucking mad at me because of chemtrails than anything.
And I take part of the blame for that.
One of the reasons why is because I think they did a shitty job of editing it.
And there's no disrespect, but the way the people edit that show, they have eight hours of footage, they have to slam down into 44 minutes.
And to them, it wasn't important to totally, completely explain what causes a chemtrail.
I didn't have a 100% say as to how the show got edited.
I had say after the fact.
I would voice my opinion.
It would get overruled or they would listen to me.
It varied.
And in this, I lost.
And in this, I think we created a bad product.
I don't think it represented fully the correct full explanation of what contrails are.
Because it's such a complex issue, I think we owed a very complex and scientific explanation.
But the problem is, people think that shit's boring.
Like, what I just said right now, the majority of people listening that would watch American Idol would go, what the fuck are you yapping around?
This podcast is not for everybody, you know?
And this conversation is not for everybody.
But if you want to make a TV show, it kind of has to be for everybody for the network to accept it.
Until it becomes really successful or finds its niche, and then people, you know, like South Park, they can do whatever the fuck they want, you know, because it's a proven product.
If you had another show where you tried to make a cartoon where a gay guy is stuffing Paris Hilton up his ass and winning a slut off, they would go, what the fuck are you talking about?
No, you can't do that.
But South Park is so successful and is so proven in the market that they do that.
But when your show's not proven, it's hard to have your say as to how things get done.
It's a complex dance.
And I don't think we pulled it off.
But it's part of the thing of creating something, like when you're trying to create a show.
I feel personally responsible for it, though, because a lot of people got angry, and I think a lot of that anger could have been avoided.
When I first started looking at chemtrails online, I, too, believed that it was a possibility.
Like, is it possible they're just pulling this off right in front of our face?
They're just spraying the sky?
But then the more you look into it, you go, no, there's photos from 1980 that show these contrails, like long ones that lingered in the sky.
People say, when we were younger, they didn't linger.
Actually, they did.
You just don't remember.
duane ludwig
They pay attention.
joe rogan
How much the fuck do you pay attention to clouds that are created by jets when you're eight?
You know, can you really tell me exactly what the fuck you saw?
I barely remember shit I did last week.
I mean, I'm being honest.
I barely remember important shit.
I did like shows that I did that were great.
I got a standing ovation.
I barely remember them.
You tell me you remember these contrails from when you were eight years old?
duane ludwig
Do you remember the footwork drill that we did today?
joe rogan
I fucking remember that shit, dude.
I learned some stuff from DwayneBang.com today.
tj dillashaw
Dwayne, why don't you forget it either, man.
joe rogan
These people that I'm talking to, there's a problem with doing this show.
And this is why I don't know if I'm going to continue doing it.
I mean, first of all, sci-fi hasn't asked me to do it again, but even if they do, I have to really think about how it's...
I don't think I'm doing what I want to do.
I don't think it's coming out the way I want it to come out.
There's part of it that is.
There was an episode we did on transhumanism.
It's all complicated, the science of extending human life.
duane ludwig
Oh, okay.
joe rogan
I love that because I got to talk to all these super intelligent people and pick their brain and ask really important to me questions.
I'd love that.
But talking to people that are telling me they're seeing bulletproof wolves and ghosts and shit that pops out of the...
unidentified
There's a wormhole and out came a bulletproof wolf.
joe rogan
Oh, that sure happened.
I'm sure you didn't have a camera.
I mean, why would you while you're out there hunting for bulletproof wolves?
I got tired of it.
I got tired of talking to people that are just crazy people or silly people or...
People that need a fucking hug.
There's a lot of that out there.
duane ludwig
Yeah, that's true.
100%.
joe rogan
And there's also a lot of people that really believe what they are saying.
And it's not because they're assholes.
It's because they lack critical thinking skills.
Whether no one's taught it to them, whether they've ignored them, whether it's the way they were raised, whether it's the environment they grew up in, whether it was the ideas they were exposed to as a young person.
I don't know what has caused the situation that we're talking about, but...
There's a lot of people out there that are thinking in a very piss-poor way.
And I've been one of them in the past, man.
I've believed in a lot of stupid shit in the past.
You know, that I was convinced probably was real.
There's a thing, I always talk about this, a thing called rods.
These fucking, they look like jellyfish that fly through the air faster than you can see.
There's a whole video on them, Roswell rods.
Then I watched a show called Monster Quest, where they showed what they really are.
It's just a video artifact.
Like when you have a camera and it's going on slow motion and something flies past in front of it, it stretches the image out.
It's a blur.
It's a fucking blur.
So I was convinced that these things were flying through the air all around us because I had seen this video.
And I was like looking for them.
Dude, the guy who made this video does not want to admit that they don't exist.
Not only that, he actually showed up at the UFC Expo when I was doing a Q&A and he got in line and said he needed to talk to me about Roswell Roz.
He needs to come on my podcast because they are real and those people on MonsterQuest fucked him.
I don't know how they could have fucked him because they basically showed the same scene.
There was a campfire or a light and a bunch of bugs were flying in front of the light and they set two cameras in front of it.
One of them was an HD super fast camera that they used for like super slow-mo.
And the other one was like a regular video camera.
Well, the regular video camera showed these rods.
They were flying across.
Because it's an artifact.
And if you look at how it's flying across the video, it's not flying that fast.
Like I can see it.
So how can I not see it with my eyes?
But I can see it on camera.
And then the other one just showed it's just bugs.
brian redban
Joe, did you see the underwater ones and the space ones?
joe rogan
Oh, for sure, it's totally real.
unidentified
There is, without a doubt, information the government has been hiding.
joe rogan
Dude, what you're doing right now is you're making a plea to ridicule.
brian redban
Rods are just tiny chemtrails.
unidentified
Nice.
joe rogan
Yeah, they might as well be.
You know, I thought they were real, man.
I really did.
You know, I saw a video once that showed that there were fucking buildings on the moon.
Like, this fucking guy, he like had these images.
Oh, even worse than that, how about the face of Mars?
How about that motherfucker?
You ever see the face on Mars?
Yeah, but there's images that people will swear to you.
The government has basically doctored the second, more high-resolution images.
There was some photos they took, like, a long time ago of Mars.
And as they flew over Mars, it shows what looks like a five-sided pyramid, I think, and a face.
A face on Mars.
duane ludwig
I've seen those photos, yeah.
joe rogan
And even my own friend, who I love dearly, Graham Hancock, wrote a dumbass book.
About all this shit.
tj dillashaw
I love this friend dearly.
Dumbass.
joe rogan
Dumbass, but he admits it was a mistake.
He admits it.
But shit, that shit's important, man.
Clearly it's a faith.
If you look at the shape, it does not appear in nature.
This is either two eyes.
Bitch, you don't know what the fuck you're looking at, okay?
You're looking at a spot that you decided...
That's like looking at the clouds and thinking that you're seeing dragons.
You also could be seeing a fucked up cloud.
Because clouds aren't...
Perfect, symmetrical squares, you shithead.
All right?
And you're looking at some things that you can barely tell what the fuck you're looking at.
Clearly it's a faith on Marth.
And there's a dude who has these videos where he measures, like, these arbitrary distances.
Like, if you measure from the nose to the left front center of that pyramid, it is the exact same distance as the Spinks to the Pyramid of Giza.
duane ludwig
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
And you're like, how the fuck?
Why the fuck did you come to that conclusion?
In the White House.
Yes, if you look at it from the White House in a 44-inch television in the corner where Clinton used to get his blowjobs, from that room, clearly the pyramid has a face on it that looks like the face on Mars.
I rest my case!
And people fucking buy the DVD and call each other on the phone and, dude, there's some shit you gotta see.
There's some man who's dropping some truth.
Some mad truth about the pyramid.
And the next thing you know, you're getting fucking email blasts.
Have you seen this about the pyramid?
Like, you motherfuckers!
It's not a fucking face on the Mars.
There might be.
But that's not it.
I mean, there might be some other shit.
It doesn't mean there's not some other shit.
As a matter of fact, the pyramid shapes on Mars are way more interesting than the face.
Because the face, when they show the high-resolution image of the face, these have been doctored!
Clearly doctored!
These are not high-resolution photographs!
In fact, they are less than half of the gigabytes that it would be if it was a true 85-gillipickle fucking picture.
But there are some, like, symmetrical objects that exist that do look like five-sided pyramids.
Like, you pull up that, because that is kind of interesting.
duane ludwig
Yeah, yeah, those images, I want to see that.
joe rogan
Yeah.
It's kind of interesting, but it's also possible that those things exist naturally.
There's a lot of weird shapes that exist naturally.
Like, there's this, I forget what it's called, Giant's something, Giant's Causeway, I think, in Ireland.
Let me think if that's it.
Let me see if that's it.
But it's this crazy rock formation that's totally natural.
Ireland.
I-R-Lend.
I think that's what it is.
I need to get the images here.
Yeah, that's it.
Go there.
unidentified
Where?
joe rogan
Go to Giant's Causeway in Ireland and tell me this shit doesn't look like some motherfuckers were building a building.
But it's not!
It's not at all.
It's just some weird, crazy, natural formation.
If you saw this on an image of Mars, if someone sent you this, clearly these are cobblestones on a Martian street.
They have cars like ours.
They're probably shaped like us.
Go to that.
Have you found it?
Look at these images.
Look at this shit.
Look at that.
duane ludwig
Where is this?
joe rogan
This is in Ireland.
Tell me if you saw that on Mars.
You wouldn't start shitting your pants.
unidentified
Clearly there is a sophisticated civilization.
duane ludwig
That's just natural shit, huh?
joe rogan
Perhaps aliens came down and ruined them, took their women.
Look at that.
I mean, that shit looks so...
duane ludwig
Wow.
joe rogan
That looks so unnatural.
duane ludwig
100%.
joe rogan
It looks like someone made a cool-ass cobblestone street.
duane ludwig
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
But it's just a natural formation when these...
I don't know what the fuck causes the stones to be shaped in these weird patterns.
But look at that.
If you looked at that, you would swear that has to be made by somebody.
But it's not.
It's totally natural.
And there's varying stages of it.
They can actually see how it's developed.
I don't know.
I'm obviously not a...
What are they called?
What's a geologist?
Someone who understands rocks.
Those dudes, they look at it.
There's another disagreement that Graham Hancock has with some of the people.
Graham Hancock is this famous dude who wrote this book called Fingerprints of the Gods.
Wow.
Brilliant, brilliant guy and he's exposed a lot of really fascinating shit about ancient civilizations and he's headed right now to Gobekli Tepli.
He's gonna be back on the podcast in November.
He's going to Gobekli Tepli live to check this out because Gobekli Tepli is essentially a structure that affirms all of his beliefs.
He believed that there was an ancient civilization that lived far earlier than we're giving modern civilization credit for and That they were capable of very sophisticated things, but something happened and they were most likely wiped out by like meteors or something like that.
Well, two things have happened since he wrote that book.
One, the discovery of Gobekli Tepe.
14,000 years old, as old as.
14,000 years old.
Fucking mad.
Massive stone pillars with animals carved in them.
Back when they thought that people were just like riding on horseback, barely, you know, hunting, gathering, like that's all they did.
Meanwhile, they're building these insane, huge, complicated structures.
And the discovery of the impact of the Clovis Comet.
They know for a fact that most likely all of the life in North America, like all of the people that lived in North America, were wiped out about 12,000 plus years ago.
They know that a huge comet hit, it's called the Clovis Comet, and there was like a recent discovery about it, a recent article that was published about it.
So they know that there's been some shit that went down.
So because of that, Graham has this like eager searching eye, and occasionally even he gets fooled.
Like he'll look at something and he'll think that this thing can't be a natural formation.
But then you look at something like the Giant's Causeway and you go, it might be.
There's this thing in Japan off of the coast of Yamaguchi, I think it's called.
I forget the name of the place.
duane ludwig
Underwater?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Really interesting shit.
But it could be natural.
If you look at this Giant's Causeway thing, it could be natural too.
It could be weird.
Go to GrahamHancock.com and pull the images, the underwater images of these structures.
So if you see these structures, you can kind of see why someone could say, man, this is man-made.
This is definitely man-made.
But it doesn't necessarily have to be.
But that's like what's really important.
Whenever you're searching for information, you've got to be open to all fucking possibilities.
You can't be married to something being real.
And where I think a lot like this, they think this is, he thinks this is like a ring of service.
It might be.
Yeah, fine.
It's not as symmetrical as Giant's Causeway, which we know fucking for sure is naturally created.
So it's like, when you come across things like this, or things like chemtrails, you've got to be really sure of what the fuck you're saying.
And a lot of times people aren't.
They're just not.
One of the guys we interviewed for the show was a really nice guy.
His name is Michael Murphy.
And he wrote these documentaries.
He made these documentaries called What in the World Are They Spraying?
And Why in the World Are They Spraying?
duane ludwig
I didn't realize how crazy he was until I seen your show.
unidentified
He's nutty.
duane ludwig
I shouldn't say he's crazy.
joe rogan
He's a nutty dude.
duane ludwig
But he doesn't operate on the same wavelength as I do.
joe rogan
Yeah, he's a little high-strung.
You're a little high-strung too, fella.
Somebody listen to this podcast.
Hello, pet fucking kettle!
tj dillashaw
There should be a warning not to drink caffeine before you listen to this one.
duane ludwig
Is this bulletproof coffee?
What coffee is this?
joe rogan
Bulletproof, yeah.
duane ludwig
My man, good stuff.
brian redban
There's going to be all these people flying off their treadmills into the walls.
tj dillashaw
This is every day, though.
duane ludwig
Yeah, I'm always hyper as fuck, yeah.
joe rogan
I know you are.
tj dillashaw
I don't even have to drink caffeine before practice or anything because he gets me going so much.
duane ludwig
That's good stuff, right?
joe rogan
Yeah.
This stuff is awesome, too.
This bulletproof stuff.
A lot of people are saying they give you heart attacks.
Whatever, bitch.
What are you, a pussy?
tj dillashaw
I drink it daily.
joe rogan
I don't know if it gives you...
I think that cholesterol most certainly is probably bad for you if you live the average American life.
But you know what's really bad for you?
The average American life.
That's what's bad for you.
I, on the other hand, can drink this shit all day long because I work out like a terrorist.
What'd you say?
brian redban
Did you hear that Uber is purchasing 2,500 of those driverless cars?
Can you imagine now being on your phone and being like, pick me up!
You know, a car with no person in it picks you up.
joe rogan
Oh, that's coming, right?
That's coming for sure.
duane ludwig
Are those called taxis?
joe rogan
Well, you know, my car, I got an Infiniti, and it recognizes the distance between the car in front of me and slows down.
duane ludwig
Oh, wow.
joe rogan
And then when the car goes further, it speeds up.
Like, say if you set your speed limit, you set it to 65 in the cruise control, and it knows where you're going.
duane ludwig
Wow.
joe rogan
It slows you down.
Like, you can just get your foot off the pedal and just chill.
And, like, you know, you have to have your foot ready to brake.
Yeah.
Some deer runs across the plane or some shit.
Actually, you're not supposed to break, right?
No.
If a deer goes in front of you, you're just supposed to smash it.
Don't fucking nail him.
tj dillashaw
For sure, yeah.
joe rogan
That sucks, man.
That's hard to do.
Drive a nice car.
duane ludwig
Free deer meat.
joe rogan
Fucking deers going right through your windshield.
Especially if you have a Miata or some shit.
You see an elk.
You might want to hit the brakes.
unidentified
An elk.
joe rogan
Yeah.
I mean, Miata stopped pretty quick.
tj dillashaw
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know when he hit a fucking elk with a Miata?
duane ludwig
Be aware of your surroundings for sure.
joe rogan
There was a show that I watched called Pig Man.
You ever watch that show?
This motherfucker, first of all, the reason why I brought this up is they have these trucks with these giant grills in the front of them because there's so many wild deer and wild pigs in Texas that they just run into those bitches on the highway all the time and they will fuck your car up.
So dudes have special bumpers on their car just designed to smash into deer.
It's like some Mad Max shit.
So you have this gigantic pickup truck with this fucking metal battering ram that literally cuts like a V straight towards the...
I mean, these are crazy fucking bumpers.
The show, it's called Aporkalypse 2013. Pull the video up because I put it on Twitter.
This is the nuttiest fucking shit I've ever seen in my life.
This is a Buddhist area of Japan where they feel that deer are sacred.
There's a video that I tweeted about all these deer everywhere.
This is not the Aporkalypse.
duane ludwig
I miss Japan.
Japan were fun trips, man.
joe rogan
These are really cute.
They're delicious.
I'll shoot those fuckers.
I would shoot him right there if everybody went to sleep.
I'd pull out a bow and arrow and shoot him right from the hotel.
duane ludwig
I'm hoping the UFC goes back to Japan when one of these guys found the card.
I miss Japan.
Another one of those trips where I can actually eat food and relax and not stress about my own fight.
That'd be good.
joe rogan
Pull that other video up because it's a crazy thing to look at.
unidentified
Okay.
joe rogan
They're shooting pigs from a helicopter.
Him and Ted Nugent.
This is a new one, though.
This is a two-parter.
They did it last year, and it was Let There Be Pork, I think, but this is a Porkalypse 2013, and it's a two-parter.
And one of them, he's shooting bows and arrows.
He's shooting bows and arrows out of a fucking helicopter at pigs.
Yes way!
And killing them!
He said it's the only time it's ever been done.
tj dillashaw
Yeah, for sure.
joe rogan
He killed three pigs with a bow and arrow.
You gotta listen to Because this is fucking crazy.
This is the craziest thing the Sportsman Channel has ever done.
unidentified
They're setting it up like, these pigs are dangerous.
joe rogan
Which is true.
duane ludwig
But look at this.
joe rogan
That's Pigman and Ted Nugent.
This might be one of the greatest...
I mean, look, I'm not a fucking heartless person, but there is a reality that they have a real problem with these wild pigs.
And there is a problem with feeding hungry people as well.
They absolutely donate all of that meat to Hunters for the Hungry.
Yeah, he's shooting a fucking bow and arrow at a pig from a helicopter.
Hunters for the Hungry, they donate all this meat.
So this meat goes to needy families.
It's really good, wild game.
It's very healthy for you.
And these people are very fortunate to be able to get free meals like this.
That said, they're not hunting, okay?
Look, he just shot it with a bow and arrow!
Dude, they're eradicating what they consider to be problem animals.
And people say, well, humans are fucking problem animals!
This one animal rights activist went fucking bananas when I posted this video.
It was really interesting.
I read his timeline.
He was calling for a Ted Nugent to A, fight him in a bar fight.
Two, he was calling him to either kill himself or die.
Like, over and over again, calling for him to die.
You want to kill a person.
But meanwhile, this animal killing bothers you, so you want to commit violence to the person.
You're protecting the animal by also acting violently.
tj dillashaw
Yeah, I got so much crap on Twitter for when I went bear hunting and got a giant bear.
joe rogan
Did you get a grizzly?
tj dillashaw
No, a black bear.
joe rogan
So did you eat it?
tj dillashaw
So we donated all the meat to the local Indians.
I hunted on the Crow Indian Reservation in Montana.
And the bear that I killed, I donated it to the local Indians there.
Because, I mean, you should see this Indian Reservation, how they're living.
You know, it's pretty bad.
And I killed this giant bear and posted it on Twitter, and people were eating me up over it.
joe rogan
You know what I mean?
tj dillashaw
Yeah.
And they don't realize that by me doing that, I'm actually helping out the population of other animals in the bear.
At that time, the bears, they'll kill their own cubs so that they can mate again.
You know what I mean?
joe rogan
Yes.
Well, if they're in a bad situation where there's low resources, people don't like the idea that the resources have to be maintained.
If you really study it, and it's so hard to do, but try to talk to someone who really understands game conservation and try to study it from an objective perspective because there is a certain amount of predators that can exist in an environment and there's a certain amount of prey that can exist in an environment And they know what that number is.
unidentified
Exactly.
joe rogan
And they know how to manage that.
And they're very diligent about it.
They change the limits all the time like they do with the salmon population in Alaska.
They monitor it very closely with salmon weirs.
They make sure that the populations are healthy.
They get good numbers running through so people can or can't fish.
They open seasons, they close seasons on a whim.
If they go, "Look, there's not enough fish coming through this weir." Boom, they shut the season down.
And that's called responsible management.
If you don't have responsible management for wildlife, especially when it comes to deer, you get overpopulation and you get fucking diseases.
They get a lot of wasting disease.
You get Lyme disease, which spreads throughout the East Coast.
There's people that are fucked up from Lyme disease.
And Lyme disease comes from deer ticks.
And people have to understand, like, there's more, and I've read this recently.
No.
Ted Nugent told me this recently.
Not me.
He doesn't like me.
But if you talk to me, he probably thinks I'm a liberal.
But if he talked, you know, on his show, he was talking about how there is more wildlife as far as deer and as far as coyotes and as far as, like, whatever, wild game in this country now than when Christopher Columbus came here.
duane ludwig
Oh, wow.
joe rogan
How fucking crazy is that?
First of all, how the fuck do you know that?
duane ludwig
How do you know that, yeah.
Who wants to count back then?
joe rogan
But second of all, if he's right, and the idea is that with less forest than there used to be back then, like before, it was like fucking forest everywhere.
The deforestation has actually created larger areas.
Like, agriculture has created much more opportunity for deer to eat.
So there's more deer now than ever before.
They're more successful because there's less, like, mountain lions around and shit, because there's people around, they hear the cars and shit, they're not just, like, actively...
Yeah, so they're getting to breed more, and you've got to manage that population.
If you don't, you have deaths on the road.
Not just the deer, but people.
I mean, if you've ever Googled deer through windshield, you want to see some horrific fucking scenes of destruction.
People die every year because deer go through their windshield.
And a lot of folks don't know that, but a deer has a fucking 180-pound hunk of bones and steak.
And you hit it with your car, and you're fucked, man.
Stop trying to be cute.
I'll show you some cows, too, bitch.
You eat cheeseburgers like a motherfucker.
tj dillashaw
People don't realize either the money you pay for those tags to go kill that animal, too.
You're donating that money to the wildlife preservation, you know?
joe rogan
Yes.
tj dillashaw
Like, I just spent over 400 bucks on a deer tag for the Ruby Mountains.
joe rogan
In fact, hunters donate more money for conservation and have more impact on conservation because of the amount of money they spend on tags than any Yeah.
Pro-animal rights group.
unidentified
Absolutely.
joe rogan
Than any.
The amount of money that you get from tags and from management, you can't just leave them alone.
Like, people are like, let those animals go!
Let them alone!
You have to understand that you're a fucking animal, too.
There's a delicate game that's going on between us and all the other.
And yes, as the highest intellectual animal with thumbs on the planet Earth, not in the ocean, You know, it's debatable whether or not we're smarter than dolphins.
If we can't understand their language, they can understand us.
I think it's debatable.
But as the smartest, and the one who's looking, like, what's the best case scenario for mankind?
Well, no more war.
Love your brother.
Everybody gets along.
We have the perfect civilization in a hundred years.
We all get our shit together.
We all agree that you can't show cruelty to animals and make that happen.
You can't be stomping people's cats and shooting people's dogs.
You know, and so we associate our dogs and our pets who we love very much, our cats and what have you, we associate that with wild animals.
But that's some baby shit, okay?
Because wild animals will fucking eat your asshole.
If you go out there and you go wandering around and you fall down and you sprain your ankle and a fucking bunch of wolves find you, guess what, fuckface?
That's a wrap.
And the only thing that keeps those wolves from doing that is they know we have the bang sticks and the cars and all the shit that they're scared of.
They stay the fuck away.
That's it.
It's not that wolves aren't beautiful, man.
I fucking love wolves.
I think they're majestic.
I've watched documentaries on wolves.
I bet I've watched a hundred documentaries on wolves.
I watched a documentary about the dude who lived with the wolves and his gigantic wildlife containment and he would actually stuff a liver into the carcass so that he could prove that he was the alpha.
unidentified
He would eat the liver first and growl That guy's crazy.
duane ludwig
Oh!
joe rogan
Fascinating!
I think they're amazing and I'm so glad they're alive.
But if one of them is following me, I'll shoot it right in the dick.
In a heartbeat.
If I had a gun and a wolf was following me, I'd be like, are you fucking crazy?
I have kids, you fucking punk.
duane ludwig
Most of the information I know that you're talking about is actually coming from the podcast.
joe rogan
I'd fuck it up.
It doesn't mean I don't love wolves.
I do love wolves.
But if I thought a wolf was gonna eat me, I would fucking kill it.
Like, you have to do that.
And people have to understand that that used to be a really common occurrence.
People killed wolves all the time.
Between 15-something to a 250-year period in Paris, wolves killed 3,000 people in France.
tj dillashaw
Wow.
joe rogan
Wrap your fucking head around that.
unidentified
Oh, that's right.
duane ludwig
We were talking about that, yeah.
joe rogan
Dude!
That's a lot of fucking people.
They're smart, sneaky things that eat meat.
Okay?
What are we?
Stupid, lazy fucks that get drunk and we're made out of meat.
unidentified
Alright?
joe rogan
It's pretty fucking simple.
But everybody wants to look at them as, like, beautiful.
That would be amazing.
Yes, amazing.
Yes, also, they have to be managed.
duane ludwig
If I had to help my own me, I probably wouldn't.
I'm too kind-hearted to...
joe rogan
Oh, you say that.
You say that.
unidentified
You have children, bro.
duane ludwig
Well, unless I got to the point.
Yeah, I got to the point.
joe rogan
Your kids were starving, and it was wintertime.
duane ludwig
Yeah, I choked the fuck out of something.
joe rogan
Fuck, yeah, you would.
I know you do.
Are you kidding me?
You just aren't kind.
duane ludwig
Right now, I'm just nice, yeah.
joe rogan
You're kind if you don't have to be mean.
duane ludwig
If you get put to the point, yeah, then things would change for sure.
brian redban
Yeah, but I wouldn't do it right now for fun.
unidentified
No!
duane ludwig
No!
joe rogan
We should never do it for fun.
And that's why it's fucked up to watch this pig man thing, because on one hand, I agree that they have to do what they're doing.
Those pigs cause devastation to wildlife.
They cause auto accidents left and right.
They run across the roads.
They fucking devastate farms and cost people who have this land, their family banks on it, cost them a lot of fucking money.
That is reality.
And then there's also reality that they're alive for them.
They're a life form.
Maybe they shouldn't be shot in the head with machine guns from a helicopter.
brian redban
Yeah, they're glamorizing it also, making money off it, making it seem cool to kill animals and stuff.
joe rogan
You're right, you're right.
But, then again, the food goes...
They have to be killed, because they are a problem.
There's...
I don't know if this is true, but I read this, so let's just repeat it.
There's almost as many pigs in Texas as there are people.
Wrap your fucking head around that.
There's almost as many...
Let's just Google that.
duane ludwig
Texas is a big-ass place, too.
We've got family in San Antonio.
brian redban
But there's a lot of pigs there.
joe rogan
And we're not talking about women.
How dare you?
How dare you shame those women?
You're fat-shaming.
duane ludwig
I didn't even catch that shit.
joe rogan
You're fat-shaming asshole.
duane ludwig
It'd be nice.
It's a red band.
It'd be nice.
joe rogan
Fat-shamer.
I bet you slut-shame too, you asshole.
Slut-shame and fat-shame.
Numbering in the millions, these shockingly destructive and invasive wild hogs wreak havoc across the southern United States.
They're so fucking strong and tough, wild pigs, that what happens is domestic pigs get out, and it's a weird thing, but within three weeks of being out in the wild, fending from their self, their body actually starts changing.
The hair grows coarser, the nose extends, the tusks grow.
It's nuts, man.
tj dillashaw
Quick evolution, bro.
joe rogan
And they are not shy about fucking.
They fuck up a storm.
And then they just start dominating.
They just start taking over land.
And they don't have very many natural predators.
So, apparently they do 400 million in damages annually.
duane ludwig
Wow.
joe rogan
God damn!
duane ludwig
That's a lot.
tj dillashaw
Yeah.
duane ludwig
That's good.
joe rogan
They also cause fish kills because they fuck with ponds so much, they stomp around in them, that they get the ponds so muddy from running around in them that they choke off the fish.
They're nuts, man.
tj dillashaw
I raised pigs growing up to sell them for 4-H for an auction, and dude, they're a pain to deal with.
I mean, they mess up everything.
They tear down your fences.
They cause more problems than they are to take care of, for sure.
joe rogan
Okay, this might not be right.
What I said might not be right about the numbers of people.
This other article, which is on NBC... It says that they cause $1.5 billion in damages nationwide each year.
Which is, you know, the other one was just Texas.
And there's currently more than 5 million wild hogs in the United States.
And within a few years, they're saying that the number of feral hogs is going to triple.
Five years in Texas.
Triple!
Fucking triple!
duane ludwig
They need to get hunting.
joe rogan
So they literally almost have to do this, where they're shooting them out of helicopters.
They carry crazy amounts of diseases, and unless you want to just start fucking reintroducing wolves to Texas, you got to take care of these motherfuckers.
Something's got to eat them.
You can't just have these things.
You have an imbalance.
The reason why there's millions of wild hogs running through these fields is because there's nothing killing them.
They're not supposed to be there.
Like, there's a problem.
And so...
You have to figure out a really extreme method of solving this problem.
There's no more extreme method than Ted Nugent and the pig man in a fucking helicopter with machine guns.
And yes and no!
Yes, it's cruel.
Yes, it's horrible.
Yes, I'm an animal lover.
Yes, I have two cats and two dogs.
But I fucking saved that shit on my DVR. I'm going to watch it again.
tj dillashaw
I need to watch it.
I can't believe they shoot her with a bow.
That's insanity.
joe rogan
Well, he misses the first shot because he has to actually factor for the wind coming off the helicopter.
unidentified
I'd imagine that.
joe rogan
Yeah, so it's pushing the arrow down so it's shot low.
So he has to sort of lead it.
Fucking fascinating.
tj dillashaw
Yeah, and you don't have sights for that.
That's all judgment.
You know what I mean?
joe rogan
Meanwhile, he misses the first shot, second shot, heart shot, heart shot.
I mean, he's just nailing his thing.
Oh, he's fucking super deadly accurate.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
And again, horrible and sad that these poor animals have to die.
But there is an imbalance.
And as the stewards of the land, I think there's a good argument that humans are supposed to maintain that shit, right?
unidentified
Yeah.
brian redban
You know what would get better ratings, though?
If they just had one of those big slingshots, and they just put pigs in there to try to see how far they could flip them.
joe rogan
Well, it's hard to catch the pigs, man.
They do catch the pigs and knife them.
They catch the pigs.
On some of the episodes, they catch the pigs with dogs.
They have two separate types of dogs.
One dog finds the pigs and bays them, and then the pit bulls come in.
And then the pit bulls have leather vests on so the hogs can't rip them apart, and they just lock on them and hang on.
And then they come and kill him with a knife.
duane ludwig
Oh, wow, that's a process.
joe rogan
It's fucking gangster.
duane ludwig
That's some teamwork right there.
joe rogan
Yeah, and it's crazy to watch because it is as primal as it can get.
And I think the only reason why people aren't watching it is because it's on the Sportsman's channel.
I mean, who goes to channel 605 on DirecTV?
You've got to be looking for some weird porn if you're that high up on them.
That's like porn in Spanish.
It's like, those are those weird channels.
Like, how'd you get over there?
You know?
Except, like, Fuel's in that range, right?
There's a lot of great fights.
tj dillashaw
Yeah, it's in the 400s, yeah.
joe rogan
That's like the fucking UFC network, man.
duane ludwig
I didn't even know that they had a new, uh, that's the network, the Fox One?
joe rogan
Yeah, Fox Sports One, yeah.
duane ludwig
I didn't even know that.
Okay.
joe rogan
Oh, it's incredible.
The ratings for Fox Sports 1 were off the charts for the first UFC card.
That's why they put together that insane card.
That was a good card.
Nasty!
Chael Sonnen vs.
Shogun.
duane ludwig
Unexpected.
joe rogan
Crazy!
And then before that, Alistair vs.
Travis Brown.
There's Matt Brown vs.
Jesus Christ.
There's so many good fights.
Mike Pyle.
Yeah, Quicksand.
There's so many good fights on that card.
It was like one good fight after another good fight.
It was like a pay-per-view worthy card.
duane ludwig
Yes, for sure.
joe rogan
I mean, you know, a lot of people were upset about the Sun and Hua-Fi.
Both are a little bit past their prime.
Chael's lost a couple fights in a row, but what a fucking great fight it turned out to be, you know?
And, you know, you get to see that Chael can still finish, guys.
People sleep on that shit, man.
duane ludwig
That's true, yeah.
joe rogan
That guy's a beast.
He gets a hold of your neck, man.
He knows how to finish guys, too.
Just because he hasn't done it on a lot of guys.
If you watch the way he closed off Brian Stan, that is not a dude who's just doing that for the first time.
That's a dude who's really good at finishing people.
He just hasn't been doing it.
duane ludwig
Yeah, that's the thing.
tj dillashaw
He's been fighting tough dudes, man.
joe rogan
Absolutely.
tj dillashaw
Really tough guys.
joe rogan
He's been fighting the top of the food chain guys.
It's like what we went back to when we were talking about Mighty Mouse.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, people say that Mighty Mouse is boring.
Bitch, you're crazy.
unidentified
No way.
joe rogan
He's exciting as hell.
He's, like, one of the most exciting guys ever.
It's just, he's fighting guys who are almost a mirror image of him.
When he's fighting Benavidez, when he's fighting, you know, Ian McCall, those guys are so fucking good!
You know, you're just in the mix with this, you know, the techniques are, like, shutting each other off.
Yeah, exactly.
duane ludwig
Razor thin.
I can't wait until Benavidez and Mighty Mouse fight again.
That's going to be good.
Benavidez wins September 4th against Formiga in Brazil and then hopefully gets a title shot after that.
joe rogan
How old is he now?
28. Do you think that it used to be that the lighter weights were much better when they were in the youngest age?
How old are you?
I'm 27. Yeah, that's a perfect time to be developing between 22 and 29 and 30. But with the heavyweight, guys are sort of coming into their prime when they're hitting 30 and 31. It seems like the larger men learn how to move their body better later in life.
Whereas, like, younger guys, they seem to, like, hit their threshold of where they kind of peak and fade off earlier.
Do you feel that's accurate?
duane ludwig
I'm not even sure.
joe rogan
With lighter guys?
duane ludwig
I'd have to start watching this.
tj dillashaw
I feel like I've gotten stronger now that I've gotten older.
You know, I feel like I've gotten a little more man muscle and stuff, you know?
I feel like I've gotten stronger that way.
joe rogan
Brian just got a hard on.
Man muscle.
duane ludwig
More boner pills.
joe rogan
At what age, what is the most successful, older, lightest weight fighter?
Because, you know, obviously you have Randy, who's the most successful.
The oldest, like, high-level fighter was Randy.
Because Randy was, like, world title fights at 46. He was the exception, yeah.
He was fighting Machida at 48. You know, he was fighting very high level.
tj dillashaw
Shoot, Uriah's feeling pretty good, and he's, what, 34?
duane ludwig
34, 35, yeah.
joe rogan
So he's probably the oldest of the high-level, lighter-weight guys.
And hasn't lost a step.
duane ludwig
No, he's good, man.
The whole team is just kicking ass, man.
It's fun as hell for me to be there, man.
joe rogan
Do you have an alternative name?
duane ludwig
The whole team.
joe rogan
What if it becomes?
duane ludwig
The Bankzillions.
unidentified
Bangzillions.
joe rogan
Where you at?
unidentified
Where you at?
duane ludwig
I got that from actual UFC magazine.
I didn't create that, but I like it.
joe rogan
That's not a bad one.
duane ludwig
That's how we go with that.
Bangzillions.
joe rogan
Yeah, but you're going to need some sort of a Brazilian element.
You've got to bring in some...
duane ludwig
Bangzillions?
joe rogan
But why zillion?
Do you have...
duane ludwig
I don't know.
I don't know why they do that.
joe rogan
How many Brazilian guys do you train with?
duane ludwig
Zero.
Oh, no, there's one there now that Professor Fabio brought.
joe rogan
How about we're an American bang?
tj dillashaw
American bang?
Some bang sessions?
joe rogan
Instead of American band...
duane ludwig
Team Alpha Bang?
unidentified
We're an American Bang!
duane ludwig
Bang's just going to be secondary.
It can't be Team Alpha.
It can't be Bang, Team Alpha Male.
It's going to be Team Alpha Male Bang.
joe rogan
I see.
I understand.
tj dillashaw
I love tweeting that I just had a great Bang section.
duane ludwig
Yeah, the guys, their tweets are awesome.
I'm like, man, some of them are retweets.
joe rogan
That doesn't help the douche element.
unidentified
No, not at all.
duane ludwig
It encourages it.
It encourages it, for sure.
joe rogan
Everybody wants to bang, but if you just say, yeah, I'm going to go bang my girlfriend, everybody's like, you fucking douche.
There's a fine line between what everybody wants and what everybody talks about.
You've got to be real careful about that.
Everybody wants to fuck, but if you talk about fucking, I'm like, get out of here.
duane ludwig
Too scared to admit.
Too conscious of ridicule.
joe rogan
I just banged my girlfriend twice, bro.
I made her comic 80 times.
I win.
You put that on Twitter.
duane ludwig
That's a successful man.
joe rogan
You put that on Twitter, and you're just going to get...
duane ludwig
For sure.
joe rogan
As if that's not what everybody wants.
duane ludwig
I don't mind it.
I got three kids now.
I want it on the way.
joe rogan
I think, though, it's like one of those things where it's like if you're really rich and you start bragging about it, people are like, douche.
There's a lot of people who are poor.
So if you're like Captain Fucks-A-Lot and you're out there slinging dick like a ninja, having sex with Jessica Biel and putting pictures of her ass on Twitter...
unidentified
Asshole!
joe rogan
It bothers people.
Let's be honest.
There's a photo of Jenny McCarthy with Donnie Wahlberg, and we saw it on CNN, whatever the fuck it was.
CNN, breaking news!
Donnie Wahlberg put his penis inside of Jenny McCarthy.
I wonder if they got vaccinated before they did it.
When you look at the picture, you're like, oh, he gets a banger!
unidentified
Oh, shit!
duane ludwig
What are your thoughts on vaccines?
What are your thoughts on vaccines?
joe rogan
Curious about that.
My kids have been vaccinated.
I think some vaccines are very important.
I think there's a lot of vaccines, for sure.
And there's different protocols that people follow.
There's some doctors that have a protocol where you slowly vaccinate your children instead of giving them this gigantic amount.
And I think that is...
Look, you're not supposed to give babies peanut butter, man.
If you give peanut butter to babies, you never know if your kid's allergic to peanuts.
So you have to find out.
Babies are super sensitive and very delicate.
They're very fragile.
That said, the human immune system, without a doubt, has benefited from vaccines.
You know, I just don't know if we have too many of them or if in the past, I know for a fact, and I'm a supporter of vaccines without a doubt, I don't want to be even blurry about this, I think vaccines have changed this world and have made society safe for us from a lot of different ailments.
That said, nothing is perfect.
And for sure, without doubt, there have been people that have been harmed by vaccines.
The question is, is it worth that risk?
To continue vaccinating people, is it worth the risk that the one out of X people have received damage?
I personally think yes.
I personally think yes, and I personally think you should proceed with caution.
I think you should...
I mean, there should be a lot of different things that you read from very educated people about the subject.
And the reality is that educated people, for the most part, agree that vaccines are important, but the objective ones are willing to admit that people have been damaged by vaccines before.
I have a friend, and her fucking dad has Lyme disease.
And he got it from a vaccine.
And he got it from a vaccine they don't even use anymore.
Because some people had a genetic predisposition to being adversely affected by this vaccine.
So her fucking dad has Lyme disease, man.
And he took a vaccine so that he wouldn't get Lyme disease because he was scared of it.
His wife took the same vaccine?
Nothing.
She actually got vaccinated from Lyme disease, and it worked.
But for him, he got Lyme disease from it.
So that is inaction, benefit, and a detraction, and a negative effect of vaccines.
I think that for the most part, though, look, man, there's a lot of fucking diseases we've eradicated, like polio.
There's a lot of shit that we've, like, removed.
But now, like, measles are starting to come back.
You know, there's certain diseases that we thought we got rid of that people are starting to get.
And one of the blames for that is that people aren't vaccinating their kids for measles.
There's certain, there's like, and a lot of people were afraid because the word was that it was the measles, mumps, and rebellia.
That was the one.
That was the vaccine that was giving people, you know, all sorts of health problems.
And there's been lawsuits, man.
That's what a lot of people don't realize.
A lot of money has been given out in vaccine court for damage that was caused by vaccines.
Doesn't mean the vaccines are bad.
It's again, it's one of those really complicated, nuanced issues where it's not a fucking grand design of eugenics by the elite to control the population and dumb us down.
It's not.
It's doctors trying to solve pandemic diseases.
duane ludwig
Save human beings, save civilizations.
joe rogan
It was one of the more interesting things about my show was, to me, getting to talk to these disease specialists and scientists and doctors that were talking about various pandemic diseases, how many people are affected by tropical diseases.
They were talking about people in poor, like, Africa and tropical environments where, like, everyone has parasites.
Everyone has certain diseases.
And, like, sexual diseases that are super dangerous, like a type of syphilis that you can't cure, and then all these morphing-changing diseases, they're trying to constantly stay on top of these fucking things.
And there's diseases like MERS. You ever heard of MERS? There's some disease called MERS that kills literally half the people that it gets infected by, or half the people that get infected with it.
There's nutty shit out there, and there's doctors that are scrambling to try to cure these things, and try to come up with vaccines, But in the process, sometimes there's damage, you know?
tj dillashaw
You said you talked about this on one of your shows that came out?
joe rogan
Yeah, on the Joe Rogan Questions Everything show.
tj dillashaw
That one already aired?
joe rogan
Yes, yeah.
That was like, let's find this out, payouts.
That was, I think it was two weeks ago.
Then last week, everybody got mad at me again.
That was an okay one.
Nobody got mad at me.
But then last week was Aliens, and everybody was like, dude!
Dude, you did not provide the...
I got all these, how come you didn't show this video?
And this guy puts this on my message board.
Clearly this is a wormhole.
I'm like, bitch, that's someone's headlights.
That's headlights on a dark...
Meanwhile, it's like you barely can see what the fuck that is, man.
So, oh my god.
tj dillashaw
You can only imagine the stuff you gotta deal with.
joe rogan
Oh god.
Oh, OMG. The amount of fucking people that have been paid out in vaccine court.
There's a lot, man.
duane ludwig
Oh, pay them.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's like it happens all the time, apparently.
Well, not all the time, but it's been millions of dollars.
Two new cases reported here.
Vaccine court awards millions to two children with autism.
Wow.
So that's the thing that people say, that no, vaccines don't cause autism.
And that's the argument.
Some say it does, and some say it doesn't.
I don't know, man.
I'm not a fucking doctor.
That's a real problem when I look at this kind of data.
I have this saying that it's terrifying when you're too stupid to know who's dumb.
That's how I feel about this stuff.
Because when I read that, that a court awarded millions of dollars to two children with autism.
Vaccine court awards millions to two children with autism.
I read that and I say, okay, well that means vaccines cause autism?
Is that what that means?
brian redban
Unless they had a couple of shots with autism in it.
joe rogan
But they don't have autism in a shot, as far as I know.
brian redban
We got the autistic juice.
joe rogan
It says, Hannah Poling developed an autistic condition after receiving nine vaccines in one day.
Following the U.S. government conceding her case in 2008, her damages are awarded over her lifetime, reported to be $20 million.
Oh my god.
What does that mean then?
I don't know what that means.
Does that mean that vaccines cause autism?
Because that's what it sounds like.
tj dillashaw
How do they know that she didn't have autism before she got the shots?
joe rogan
That's a good question.
That's a very good question.
And if that's the case, then how the fuck did they award...
How did that work out?
They gave her $20 million.
Then the question is, is it just bad court decision?
Is it just an uninformed jury?
duane ludwig
It's like someone got a kickback.
joe rogan
Is that what it is?
I don't understand.
Listen to this.
Since 1989 and as of January of 2013, over $2.5 billion have been paid out from this vaccine-caused injury and death compensation fund.
Mm-hmm.
So, $2.5 billion have been paid out from the Vaccine-Caused Injury and Death Compensation Fund.
These are numbers that I'm reading off of, like, these are legitimate websites.
This isn't, like, we're not just making things up.
These are not propaganda websites, and they're not trying to hide this.
9,785 claims have been dismissed, and of those claims, 3,982 claimants were paid $52 million to cover their attorney's fees and other legal costs.
So they were paid, even the people where the claims were dismissed, they paid their legal fees.
Like, what are they doing there?
Are they just saying, listen, bitch, I know you have a lot of legal money and just let it go.
I know you're tired of fighting this.
You're never going to win.
I don't know.
But it is fascinating.
I don't understand it, but I know that, like, when Jenny McCarthy talks about vaccines and causing your kid autism, I have heard dudes who are, like, the most progressive, like, male feminists, like, really, like, kind towards women say some of the most nasty fucking evil shit to Jenny McCarthy.
Because...
Because you're allowed to.
Because she expresses a very specific opinion about vaccines, and she's obviously not a fucking doctor.
And they think that what she's doing is scaring people into not having vaccines and into creating death and illness.
Maybe.
Yeah, maybe.
I don't know.
But maybe you need to pay attention to what the fuck I just read.
That seems real.
New Jersey girl gets $4.7 million for vaccine injuries.
Here's another one.
This is from 2002, a New Jersey girl whose mental development was stopped at two months old after a routine immunization has received a $4.7 million settlement from a national trust fund.
I mean, what the fuck is going on, man?
What does that mean?
I don't know if that means that, I mean, in my dumb mind, I read that, and I, you know, it doesn't, what's that expression?
Causation does not equal something else.
What is that expression?
How's it go?
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
Causation doesn't, if you want to say smart on the internet, you have to repeat this.
Causation does not equal, okay, does not imply correlation.
So just because something was caused doesn't mean it's correlated with what you're blaming it on.
Like there's a lot of other factors involved.
Yeah.
Millions of fucking dollars, man.
Billions even, given out.
So that's my opinion about vaccines.
I think they're very, very important.
I think the people that are working on vaccines and that are fighting against pandemic diseases are doing an amazing job of keeping people safe, and they've eradicated some really fucking dangerous, horrible pandemic diseases.
That said, obviously, some people, it fucks up.
Or it seems to, at least.
And I think it's not an either-or situation.
I think people have to be really careful about that.
Because if you're rallying against these people that are talking badly about vaccines, but then these facts are real and are available, what are you doing?
Like, what are you saying?
It's not an either-or.
There's a lot of complication here.
tj dillashaw
Not a chance, huh?
joe rogan
It seems like it.
I mean, from my uneducated perspective, when I read that, and again, causation does not equal correlation.
Note how smart I am.
I think that you've got to say that obviously it's not that cut and dry.
It's not like I'm going to the Supreme Court because I believe that a wizard made my dick small.
And the Supreme Court gives me a billion dollars.
That seems like, what was the fucking evidence?
I have a small dick, you know?
unidentified
Shouldn't.
joe rogan
So there you go.
I mean, you're talking about, you know, it's not that fucking stupid.
That's the answer.
That's my answer on chemtrails and that's my answer on vaccines.
Two very complicated issues that a lot of people get real fuckery.
duane ludwig
Just don't have the good information to say yes or no.
joe rogan
It might be that, but it's also that people attach themselves to the shit they believe.
duane ludwig
They want something to be a part of and have something to fight for.
joe rogan
Yeah, and if they said something, if like you say, you know, the fucking rainbows are created by gremlins, bro, and then you start telling people that, and you make a video, and you put it on YouTube, man, you're committed to that shit.
And there's a lot of people out there committed to some really iffy ideas.
duane ludwig
It's crazy shit.
joe rogan
Like, why are you, are you sure?
Are you fucking sure?
You shouldn't be sure, man.
A lot of fuckery to this world.
Like when you said that you think that you create your own destiny, everything happens for a reason, you might be right.
You know, anybody says you're not right is crazy.
If you say, if you believe it, you can achieve it, well, you have.
So what the fuck do they know?
Maybe that is how the world works.
Maybe the world works by your imagination manifesting reality.
Maybe the world works by your intention and your focus, literally changing the world around you, creating things and opportunities that would not have existed or been in front of you if you didn't do that work, if you didn't experience those revelations and evalations of your spirit.
You don't fucking know.
That's possible, too.
Because the world's not that fucking simple.
There's a goddamn reason why when you hear a certain song, it reminds you of a certain time in your life or a certain person you knew, and you have this intense emotional reaction to it, and the beats of the music change your body, you know?
There's certain times where you're by yourself and Sweet Home Alabama comes on the radio at just the right time.
And when it says, turn it up, it changes your body.
The world is not just made out of numbers, and it's not just made out of hard surfaces, and it's not just made out of things you can weigh.
There's also some weird spiritual aspect to this world.
I think you manifest a lot of it with your attitude and your behavior and your actions, and I don't know how much of it would have been there without that.
I don't know.
I think it's both.
You know, I think it's both.
If a brick drops in your head, it will fucking kill you.
That's true, too.
You know?
Sometimes shit happens, man.
Look, the fucking...
Were the dinosaurs asking for that big asteroid to hit?
No, probably not.
You know?
I don't know if that...
I don't know if it's that simple.
I think it's both.
It's both you create your reality and shit happens.
That, too.
Shit fucking happens.
You didn't ask to break your ankle in that fight.
Why did that happen?
That's some shit happens, right?
duane ludwig
So I'm wondering if things are predetermined for some point.
That just kind of led me to make the decision, okay, 55 is too low of a weight class.
I'm just destroying my body.
The injuries are just coming too easy.
Maybe if I was at 70, maybe my ankle would have rolled a bit differently, and I would have more stability, just cutting weight, depleting the body too much.
So that was my last fight at 55, which made me go up to 70. So yeah, who knows?
joe rogan
It could have been, or it could have been that you realized after that that you needed to make a change, and being the winner that you are, felt the right path, and went down it, and succeeded.
Because that's what you do.
You dust yourself off, you figure out what went wrong, and you move forward.
And that's what you did do.
So it could have been things happen for a reason, or it could have been the reason things happen is because you're a winner.
duane ludwig
Make it the right.
joe rogan
But that one you can control.
What I like about that one is that one you can control.
And that one seems to make more sense because everybody that I know that has ever succeeded in things, they're winners.
They have that ability to fucking figure out how to get up when they don't want to get up.
They have that ability to do the things that they have to do, put in the work that they have to put in, get shit done.
And the people that don't, we all know super talented fighters that never made it.
duane ludwig
Yeah, that's true.
joe rogan
There's a lot of guys out there that had that special something and never could put it together.
There's a few guys that shone so greatly in preliminary fights, and you're like, this motherfucker's a world champion.
And you're looking at him, and you hear from the people, oh, in the gym, he dominates everybody.
There's so many fighters like that.
How many times have you heard that about Joe Riggs?
duane ludwig
Oh, that's right.
I did hear about Joe Riggs.
joe rogan
They used to say that Joe Riggs used to dominate Rich Franklin in the gym.
That they would be sparring and Joe Riggs would just be lighting Rich Franklin up.
But in competition, it really...
Well, he had some great fights and he had some great results and he had a long career.
And he's still a bad motherfucker and a great professional fighter.
But if you listen to people talk, they make Joe Riggs out to be Anderson Silva.
They make Joe Riggs out to be some magic man.
Some dude that on perfect moments, on the right moments...
I remember talking to Billy Rush before he died, and Billy Rush was training those guys, and he said to me, he goes, he's one of the greatest talents I've ever seen.
He said, this fucking kid can do it all, and he does it all perfect in spurts, in the gym, when his head's right.
You know, and then shit happens in that crazy world of chaos.
And sometimes it doesn't come together for you.
tj dillashaw
You know, if it's the reason that everything happens for a reason, then there's some people that got dealt some shitty cards, you know what I mean?
joe rogan
Yeah, no shit, man.
tj dillashaw
If everything happened for a reason, there's a lot of things you can't explain, you know?
joe rogan
Yeah.
And in the world of prize fighting, I think that shit manifests itself in such a strange and dramatic way.
Because the difference between winning and losing is so much more extreme than golf or tennis or anything else.
tj dillashaw
So many more options.
joe rogan
It's not just so many more options.
It's so much more devastating a result.
You know, you can lose a tennis match and you go home and you're fine.
You know?
Like, if you lose an MMA fight, your health can change.
The structure of your face looks different.
You have to get plates in your face.
You have to get your, you know, your face stitched up.
tj dillashaw
Can't breathe out of my nose.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, I'm sure.
Almost everybody has that, right?
duane ludwig
I do, for sure.
joe rogan
I had mine operated on a few years back.
duane ludwig
I have that done.
joe rogan
Sweetest thing I've ever done.
All my life I was a mouth breather.
I broke my nose when I was like five.
I fell down a flight of stairs and it was always like...
I'll just, I nasal, I had a nasal sound to my voice and I mouth breathed every practice.
Everything I ever did was mouth breathing.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Couldn't breathe out of it.
duane ludwig
That's what they tell these guys, you know, make sure they're biting down on their mouthpiece.
Make sure if you do end up receiving a shot, I want the mouth closed and, you know, holding together.
joe rogan
Right.
duane ludwig
But that's one of the main things for sure.
I want to make sure that they're biting down on the mouthpiece so we get the mouthpieces that you can breathe through the center of the hole a little bit.
joe rogan
Right, right, right.
duane ludwig
From Unbreakable, Hector and Victorville.
I think it makes the best mouthpieces.
Yeah?
joe rogan
And he makes a double, an upper and lower, where you breathe out of it in the middle?
duane ludwig
There are impressions on the top and the bottom of your teeth, so your jaw does lock into place, but for mine specifically, I have a little air channel through the center.
And I think, TJ, do you have yours?
tj dillashaw
No, yeah, but it's not a double.
It's a single mouthpiece, but it's got a little gap underneath it where you can breathe with your mouth shut.
joe rogan
Oh, that's very smart.
duane ludwig
The bottom teeth just don't connect.
joe rogan
Okay, that's very smart.
tj dillashaw
The doubles are a pain, man.
joe rogan
Yeah, the doubles are weird.
You can't talk to them.
They used to have that power one.
Remember they were saying that it makes you like whips or something?
duane ludwig
Oh, whips and brain pad, yeah.
joe rogan
It makes you stronger.
unidentified
It makes you like less likely to get knocked out.
I need to go get that one.
duane ludwig
Those bracelets or something that they correct your balance.
joe rogan
I remember that.
duane ludwig
Yeah, probably.
joe rogan
Well, they actually say that your jaw alignment does have some impact on how strong you are.
Like, I think there's a science behind it.
Like, if you have your mouth open and you try to deadlift, you try to deadlift, like, oh, I think, literally, you're not as strong as if you fucking clamp down.
tj dillashaw
I don't think I've ever deadlifted with my mouth open.
joe rogan
Maybe you should try.
It'd be interesting to find out if that works.
It might be bullshit, you know?
duane ludwig
Yeah.
joe rogan
It might be...
But I think I read that, I think.
tj dillashaw
How long did it take for your nose to heal when you got a deadlift?
joe rogan
Not that long, man.
I was rolling six weeks later.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
I had a great doctor.
His name was Dr. Feinberg.
He retired, unfortunately.
He was out here in California.
He did an amazing job.
And they use foam now, so it used to be the nightmare was getting the packing out.
That pulling the packing out was incredibly painful.
Like, Lorenzo Fertitta had it that way, and he said that it was like someone was raking his brain.
duane ludwig
Oh, wow.
Oh, he was awake then.
joe rogan
Intensely painful.
Well, and they pull the packing out when it's over.
They keep it in your nose for a couple days or something, or a week, or whatever the fuck it is.
Actually, it changed the structure of my nose.
It made it wider.
They cut the inside of it, the tuber, what are the fucking things called?
duane ludwig
Yeah, I know what you mean.
joe rogan
Those turbinators?
duane ludwig
Yeah, something like that.
joe rogan
Things inside.
So they scraped them down, and then he put these splints in that widened my opening.
I kept the splints in for like...
I don't know, like a couple weeks or whatever.
But after it was open, after he cut out the scar tissue and turbinators, whatever those things were, trimmed that down, it was actually like a wider passage.
tj dillashaw
Yeah, I want to get this done, man.
joe rogan
Oh, it's great.
tj dillashaw
I want to get it done.
I feel like my cardio will be better.
joe rogan
Oh, it will.
100%.
There's no doubt about it.
But then you've got to realize you're going to get hit in the nose.
unidentified
Yeah.
tj dillashaw
I went and talked to a doctor, and I actually got something done on my nose.
I don't know exactly what it's called, but he scraped it like you're talking about.
And then he shocked it with radio frequency electricity and it's supposed to shrink the tissue.
And it takes like six weeks for it to work.
That's interesting.
My nose is a little bit better, I guess, you know?
But I want to get like the full thing done.
I think I need to do it after the next fight.
joe rogan
Dude, I've seen pictures of people that did it online where they showed all the meat that they cut out of their nose.
tj dillashaw
Yeah.
joe rogan
The scar tissue, it's fucking crazy.
tj dillashaw
Do you think it'll mess with the structural integrity of your nose?
joe rogan
No.
tj dillashaw
Is your nose still strong, you feel like?
unidentified
Yes.
joe rogan
Yeah, absolutely.
Yeah, it doesn't.
tj dillashaw
One of the doctors was saying, I mean, obviously it's a doctor's opinion from different from different, but he was saying that he thinks the structural integrity of my nose would be worse.
joe rogan
I don't think so.
I mean, I think, look, your nose is weak anyway.
This little fucking thing, you get shinned in that thing.
It's not...
I mean, whether it's strong...
I mean, when it's in perfect condition, it's weak as fuck.
So go on it from there.
And then also go on it from, like, the goal is to not get hit in the face.
Let's have an extra incentive.
And then now your cardio is going to be, like, a good percentage better.
tj dillashaw
Which is way more important.
joe rogan
That's huge.
Just don't do what Vanderlei did.
Vanderlei got his whole...
He had to get his whole fucking...
That was a perfect example of a guy who had to get his whole face reconstructed.
duane ludwig
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
He had to get his eyebrows scraped down because he was getting cots.
He had massive scar tissue.
They had to remove it.
Nick Deez also.
Yeah, yeah.
But Nick's was not nearly as extreme.
duane ludwig
Yeah, not as extreme, yeah.
joe rogan
Nick got his shit shaved down, but then they would put it back together again.
He still looked like Nick.
duane ludwig
Looked normal, yeah.
Well, same, yeah.
joe rogan
Vanderlei, they had to like...
Normal guy.
Yeah, I mean, just same.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
With Vanderlei, they had to actually take a chunk of his rib and create a piece of cartilage and rebuild his nose.
His nose was flat, dude.
tj dillashaw
That's from not moving your head.
unidentified
That's from brawling and not moving your head.
joe rogan
Charging forward.
duane ludwig
That was one of the things.
I actually have cauliflower in my nose.
I went to punch my buddy in the belly one time and he kneed.
And my nose just swollen up.
The center of it just filled up with blood.
joe rogan
Hard.
duane ludwig
Yeah, just like your ear, cauliflower ear.
joe rogan
It's the same.
duane ludwig
They went in and lanced it, and all this blood just came rushing out, and they filled it with what looked like a shoelace.
They stepped up in there to suck up the blood, and little gaps also.
And that was for one of my K1 fights, however long ago that was, I don't know, six, seven years ago.
And then, I should say recently, but about three years ago, I had my nose scraped down, actually.
And they went in there, and he said that, The sermon nose was like a snowball in my nose.
So he was scared to take more out and my nose would collapse.
unidentified
Wow.
duane ludwig
So they put a little plastic orange slice, put them up in there to keep it structurally sound.
Yeah, while it heals.
Yeah, and then they pulled them out.
I feel like it was coming out of my brain.
unidentified
I had those too.
That was nice.
duane ludwig
Yeah, I got to have it done again.
I still can't breathe through one.
One nostril.
The other one's good though.
joe rogan
It's just a shitty design.
tj dillashaw
Yeah.
joe rogan
I mean, why is it so weak?
It's not in the front of your face.
duane ludwig
It's not designed to get punched in the face.
joe rogan
It's a lot of accidents.
I don't know if we're designed to be punching each other in the face.
Well, I broke mine when I was five.
I fell down a flight of stairs and I just smashed my nose on the stair and from then on it was fucked.
duane ludwig
I guess that's why we have the option to breathe through our mouth as well.
joe rogan
I guess, but what a shit design.
tj dillashaw
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because once it got...
I didn't realize how important it was until I got it fixed.
And then once I got it fixed, like, the idea of being able to breathe my mouth shut was impossible to me.
I'd never known it my whole life.
tj dillashaw
You'd have to wake up with a dry mouth in the morning.
duane ludwig
Until I was 40. Wow, yeah.
joe rogan
And then all of a sudden I'm like...
tj dillashaw
This is awesome.
duane ludwig
Nice.
I like this.
Yeah, I could be like that for a while.
Then it came back again.
joe rogan
Like, I would go to yoga class and they would tell me I'm doing it wrong.
Like, you have to breathe in through your nose and out through your mouth.
Like, it doesn't work.
duane ludwig
Yeah.
joe rogan
The shit doesn't work.
duane ludwig
Yeah.
I was racing my wife with blown up balloons one time for one of our kids' birthdays.
And she was just smashing me and I couldn't figure out why.
That's crazy!
I wasn't opening my mouth.
I was bringing the air through my nose.
So just slowing down the process by half.
So she was just smashing me on the balloon blown up drill.
So I had to take it out.
I just won.
I had to figure and adapt.
joe rogan
What do you think about all these new technologies that are coming along?
We had Ian McCall on.
He was talking about some shit called CVAC. Some altitude thing.
What it does is it mimics...
tj dillashaw
It sounded crazy, man.
joe rogan
Yeah, really.
It mimics.
It's a CVAC pod is what it's called.
And it does something with changing the altitude inside the container.
It makes a massive difference in your body's ability to assimilate oxygen.
tj dillashaw
I'm kind of up for trying anything.
If someone says it works, I need to try this out.
joe rogan
Well, Ian's no bullshitter.
He's crazy, but he's no bullshitter.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And when he's talking about it, he said it was better than a hyperbaric chamber, which I know you're right.
tj dillashaw
I love the hyperbaric chamber, man.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tj dillashaw
I hurt my shoulder and that thing, my cardio, like, I did it for injury.
I got better faster, but my cardio was insanely good when I started sitting in the hyperbaric chamber.
Like, I noticed a big difference.
joe rogan
Yeah.
I've heard amazing results as far as, like, the ability to heal from stuff.
tj dillashaw
I wish I could afford to be in it all the time.
joe rogan
Really?
tj dillashaw
Dude, I would do it.
If I could do it once a week, if not more, I would do it.
joe rogan
Don't they make them where you can get it for the gym?
tj dillashaw
Yeah, they're not the hard chambers.
They're the soft chambers.
They don't work as well.
You can't get as much...
The hard chambers is 100% oxygen, and they can put you down to two atmospheric pressures to be low.
And the soft chambers, they can't do that.
So it doesn't work as well.
It works, but not as well as the hard chambers.
joe rogan
What is the variation?
tj dillashaw
What do you mean?
joe rogan
In between how much better the hard chamber works than the soft?
tj dillashaw
It's supposed to be so much better.
I don't even know exactly, but I've done a little bit of the soft chambers, and I can tell a big difference when I'm sitting in the hard chamber.
joe rogan
Where would you go to do that?
Do you go to a chiropractor?
No.
tj dillashaw
There's places to do hyperbaric chambers.
That's what they do.
They just only do hyperbaric chambers.
And it was in Sacramento.
I got prescribed through it from my physical therapist.
He's the one that told me about it.
joe rogan
Are they stupid expensive?
tj dillashaw
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Like a hundred grand or something crazy?
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
tj dillashaw
To buy one of them?
joe rogan
Yeah.
tj dillashaw
Yeah, probably a couple hundred thousand dollars.
unidentified
Wow.
tj dillashaw
And then you got to fill the oxygen all the time.
So for me, if I went to go do an hour and a half dive, I found the cheapest place to do it and it's still 200 bucks.
unidentified
Whoa.
tj dillashaw
For an hour and a half.
joe rogan
Wow.
duane ludwig
That's what was always good about Colorado at the high altitude.
joe rogan
Yeah.
duane ludwig
No matter where you go, your eyes are going to get upset.
tj dillashaw
Yeah, but it's the pressure, though.
duane ludwig
That was the pressure itself, huh?
tj dillashaw
So it's 100% oxygen, and the pressure supposedly speeds up the molecules of healing, and then the way your body absorbs the oxygen.
I can't even tell you the science behind it, but all I know is that it works, dude.
And it's supposed to be great for your brain.
joe rogan
Wow.
Yeah, I've heard nothing but amazing things.
tj dillashaw
I feel like my handwriting got better when I was sitting there.
I'm not joking, idiot.
I started science, and I was like, oh, damn, my handwriting.
I mean, it could just be a coincidence.
joe rogan
I could use that.
tj dillashaw
Yeah.
duane ludwig
Yeah, my partnership sucks.
joe rogan
Yeah, but this is supposed to be, according to Ian, this is even better.
It's called Cyclic Variations in Adaptive Conditioning, CVAC. And it's some crazy pod that you lay in, and using proprietary pattern sequences, pressure is increased and decreased.
to simulate low altitudes and high altitudes and as pressure increases the volume of oxygen in the air naturally increases air is thicker and warmer and as pressure decreases the volume of oxygen naturally diminishes and the air is thinner and cooler and they hypothesize that these changes stimulate an individual's natural adaptation response to environment and the experience is unique to the individual but it apparently has massive effects on healing And there's even scientific findings
that were published in medical literature.
So it's not like just crazy nonsense that some wacky dude wants to...
tj dillashaw
There's probably not very many places to do this, right?
joe rogan
I don't think so.
I think there's only a few.
He was saying that there's...
duane ludwig
It looks like the chemtrail guy.
joe rogan
Clearly, there's only one way to survive chemtrails.
You have to get inside the CVAC machine.
This is what the elites are using to protect themselves from the barium being sprayed.
Whoa.
It's crunching.
brian redban
That doesn't seem like it's a good idea.
joe rogan
Well, that's because you're not a doctor, you sick fuck.
What, are you giving out fucking advice?
tj dillashaw
I hope your body's stronger than that water bottle.
joe rogan
So there's several of these things in North America.
There's nine locations in the California area.
duane ludwig
Oh, wow.
tj dillashaw
Anything in Northern?
joe rogan
I'm trying to find it.
This website sucks a fat one.
Boy, you have a terrible website, you fuckheads.
And your locations.
How about you just list phone numbers instead of having this stupid map that you have to zoom in and out of?
duane ludwig
This is terrible.
Phone numbers and websites?
joe rogan
You fuckheads.
You guys should go to Squarespace.
So there's one in a private residence in Redmond, Washington.
Why would you say that?
You want to tell us where this dude lives so you can knock on his door?
Yo, bro!
My fucking ankle hurts!
tj dillashaw
I need to use your machine, dude.
joe rogan
Can I borrow your shit, son?
It says nine locations here.
Zoom in for details.
How do I zoom in, bitch?
Why isn't it not letting me zoom in?
Because it sucks.
Because your website sucks a fat one.
Oh, now I'm in Spain.
I zoomed in and I'm in Spain.
How about fuck you?
How about fuck you?
Fuck you, dummies.
I don't really believe that.
I don't mean fuck you.
I'm just saying that for effect.
duane ludwig
Shock effect.
joe rogan
Listen to this.
He was talking really great about our product, but then we started criticizing our website and it really hurt my feelings.
Man, he's with those MMA guys.
I think they get aggressive when they get together.
duane ludwig
Definitely.
unidentified
All those MMA guys.
duane ludwig
Yeah, product of your surrounding, huh?
It's like when we were training at the gym, I felt like I was a gangster.
I felt pretty relaxed.
joe rogan
Yeah, well, you get gangster when you teach.
duane ludwig
I love it, yeah.
tj dillashaw
He does, man.
You gotta watch out.
duane ludwig
That's good stuff.
joe rogan
Well, you obviously love it, you know, and that's exactly what you need.
I think it's such an amazing thing, the ability to sort of mold young fighters and that for a guy like me who loves martial arts as an art, you know, as an art form, it really is an art form.
I know people go, I was in an art form when you're injuring people.
It's not watercolors, asshole.
tj dillashaw
Yeah, but you're good enough to do it to not injure people too, you know what I mean?
You're good enough at the art to where you can do it without injuring someone.
You can defend yourself without hurting someone.
joe rogan
Well, sure, if a dork attacked you, like say if some dude who was really good at Dungeons and Dragons and he fucking went spaz on you and rushed you, it's like, I'm going to bite him!
duane ludwig
I have it in my head if it ever came to the point outside the gym or the cage or something, if I had to fight in the street or defend myself.
tj dillashaw
Just choke him out.
duane ludwig
Either choke them out or just punch them in the gut.
How many normal people actually get punched in the gut?
Just knock them out of them.
joe rogan
And you'd have to be really diligent.
You don't want to just tee off on some asshole because he started to fight with you.
It's so hard to repress that.
But we've all been in a situation where some drunk dude is clearly fucked up, is talking so much shit, and you're like, I could just uncork one on this guy's face and you know he's not going to see it coming.
But you can't do that.
tj dillashaw
The best way to...
I mean, you'll get in trouble.
I'll get in trouble, man.
joe rogan
Yeah, of course.
Not only that, I just fucking pulled up MMA.com and fucking MixedMartialArts.com and Cerrone's in trouble.
tj dillashaw
For that.
joe rogan
He head kicked some dude on a dock.
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
Yeah, some guy got stupid with him.
He threw a head kick?
Yeah, apparently he shinned him.
That's the rumor.
I'm talking shit, Donald.
I'm sorry if I got the details wrong.
But I think Brian Callen told me he head kicked somebody.
Maybe somebody else called me.
duane ludwig
I tried to put myself in those scenarios.
unidentified
I mean, if you're beating someone up on the street and you decide to do a head kick.
joe rogan
What a huge fucking mistake.
Out of all the people to fuck with on a dock, you look at this skinny dude with a cowboy hat.
duane ludwig
You're like...
unidentified
Hey man, fuck you and your fucking boat, faggot!
joe rogan
Next thing you know, clang!
That shit bounces off the side of your fucking head.
tj dillashaw
I'm sure he had to do something pretty bad, too, because Cerrone's a pretty cool dude.
He had to piss him off pretty bad.
joe rogan
There's a lot of douchebags out there.
duane ludwig
Yeah, for sure.
joe rogan
It's very unfortunate.
It's really hard to develop a human being.
I think you know that, and I know that.
duane ludwig
Having children now is definitely strange.
joe rogan
Change me.
It absolutely does, right?
unidentified
Yeah.
tj dillashaw
I've had to hold this guy back a couple times.
You know what I mean?
duane ludwig
I almost always get into fights.
unidentified
Always?
tj dillashaw
Really?
joe rogan
Always.
duane ludwig
I just feel people should respect one another and help each other out.
And when it doesn't happen, I'm just like, this guy's kind of a dickface.
I'll speak up about it.
joe rogan
And then people get mad.
duane ludwig
Sometimes, yeah.
joe rogan
Well, there's a lot of dickfaces out there and they don't like to hear that.
People don't like to be criticized.
It's hard that someone calls you to be a dickface to that lady.
And you're like, yeah, you're right.
You know, it's fucking hard.
It's like admitting something about rods.
It's like so many things.
It's like being wrong.
Sucks.
People don't like being wrong.
There's a guy named Michael Shermer, this famous skeptic, who has this very interesting quote about smart people defending dumb ideas.
Smart people, there's a lot of very intelligent people that believe really stupid things, and the reason being is that they're smart enough to convince themselves that they're right.
And they're smart enough to defend that stupid thing.
And it's kind of an interesting point of view, but makes sense.
It's fucking hard for people to say they're wrong.
duane ludwig
So I think that's a good talent for an athlete as well.
Whether you have the skills or not, believe that you have the skills to win the fight, win the world title, pull yourself through that.
joe rogan
Well, I think also, as a fighter, it's super important to be absolutely objective about your skill set.
You can't, like when you're talking about observing fights and watching fights, and you have to be objective.
You can't say, you know, hey, I'm watching TJ Dillashaw, I love that dude, so I'm looking at him in a way that's not, I'm just looking, everything's perfect, it's beautiful, I'm just loving watching him win.
That's not the right way to do it, and you know that.
So you have to step back and go, okay, what is he doing wrong?
And how do I get my friendship out of the way and look at this objectively?
duane ludwig
That's why I do have the fighters watch the film.
I have my buddy in Colorado, Mike Temple, watch the film.
And it actually kind of happened to my accent because I watched the film, I'll make notes.
And I watched the same fight again while I was high and didn't realize that I made notes.
So I made notes again.
And then I looked at the notes and I had two sets of notes.
One I remember being high and one I remember not being high.
And I realized there was a difference.
Now, was there a difference because I just watched it the second time or the third time or whatever time it was?
Or was the difference because of weed?
So I was like, well, fuck, man.
Maybe there's something to this.
So I started watching the fights while I was sober, while I was high.
I was like, well, fuck, man.
Onnit sponsors me.
Takes my alpha brain.
Take some offer and watch it again just to compare notes.
Just to make sure.
I want to make sure I'm making the best decisions for these guys.
joe rogan
And it could be also whether you're awake or whether you're tired.
duane ludwig
Yeah, there's many elements that could change my view, my perspective on that particular fight.
joe rogan
Factor in everything, right?
Whether you enjoy a song.
You have to be in the right mood for the right kind of song.
There's a lot of different kinds of music that I'm sure we all like.
You're in the right mood.
Yeah, it's like, it's not even a good, it's like, now is a good time for that.
Like, sometimes I don't want to watch fights.
Sometimes I want to watch, you know, fucking Curb Your Enthusiasm.
Hey!
Sometimes I can't believe a fuck.
He's like, talk about professionals and split-second openings?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
With this fuck.
You've got to really be on your toes.
duane ludwig
One thing, I do believe weed has a lot of benefits to it.
And I started because I was getting major injuries and I didn't want to actually take the pain pills I was being prescribed for my surgeries.
So that's why I started investigating weed and marijuana and I would help that to calm me down.
joe rogan
I wanted to talk to you about that.
duane ludwig
Yes.
joe rogan
Because that's another issue that I think is really important.
Because I keep hearing about fighters that are having problems with pain pills.
duane ludwig
I think 100% people are used to me.
I had back-to-back major fucking surgeries lined up.
I broke my jaw, broke my ankle, tore up my knee.
I had my neck surgery.
I had, like, a couple good ones.
Woke my hand a couple times.
So, I've had multiple fucking surgeries.
I want to hear a good one, actually.
This is a long time ago.
When Boss was training for Kevin Randleman, he came to Colorado for high-altitude training.
And that was one of his main sparring partners.
And I'm like, I don't know, 155, 160, maybe.
joe rogan
Oh, Jesus Christ.
duane ludwig
Maybe we were just scrapping, right?
But anyway, I'm training with my other guy, my other buddy, Kiyotaka Komatsu, who's a Japanese kyokushin karate black belt.
And I was sparring, I threw a round kick, and he threw a front kick while I was in the round kick.
The issue was I was not wearing my cup.
joe rogan
Oh!
duane ludwig
So my right ball actually broke.
So I had my buddy Oscar Martinez throw me in the car.
I didn't go down.
I still stood my ground.
I got in the car.
I'm having my buddy Oscar take me like going opposite directions of one ways and stuff and got me to the hospital.
And they did like an emergency surgery.
So lesson learned here.
Wear a cup, gentlemen.
You know what I do is I take...
You were talking about the cup issue and stuff in the fights.
I take one of those Thai cups.
It's still Thai cup.
And I put that in a regular envelope, like a Shock Doctor envelope cup, and just put that on.
And then I put tight shorts over that to hold it in place.
The shorts I wore in my King in the Cage fight would say Little Boss on them.
I still wore those for every fight, kickboxing and MMA. Those were my lucky shorts.
So I put my steel cup in my Shock Doctor envelope, And then put that on, and then my tight shorts over that, and then my fight shorts.
So that's what I always wear.
joe rogan
Do you ever try diamond?
tj dillashaw
Dude, they're awesome.
duane ludwig
They're awesome.
tj dillashaw
They're awesome.
joe rogan
Diamond's incredible.
And they just released a new, improved version of it.
For folks who never heard of it, if you're doing jujitsu or anything, I seriously recommend this.
It's a compression short that they have this really well-designed cup that fits in.
There's videos on the website of the dude taking Thai kicks to the nuts.
It's a really good product.
tj dillashaw
By far the best I've worn, yeah.
joe rogan
For me, it's made a huge difference in jujitsu.
It took my balls completely out of the equation.
tj dillashaw
Yeah, you can't even finish arm bars if you're not wearing a cup most of the time.
joe rogan
Yeah, it fucking hurts.
It's true.
duane ludwig
So one of the things I started getting major injuries, and then getting surgeries, and I didn't want to take the pain pills.
Although I did take some of them, and when I broke my jaw, I was taking some kind of liquid pain pill.
I don't know what it was.
But that's when I started my venture into weed.
So it was just to get through the night so I could sleep.
It does fuck in my memory, man.
I was having, like, the next day, having an issue, like, holding combinations for these guys and stuff, and just not remembering dates and stuff, so it did fuck with me personally.
I caught in my memory, and I don't think it's for everybody, because I'm very, very high-strung and trying to get shit done all the time.
So I think if somebody is already predisposed to be a slight bit lazy, this is not for you.
100%.
Weed's not for everybody.
tj dillashaw
Dude, it affects him differently though.
He'll get stoned.
duane ludwig
He comes to me the fuck down.
I enjoy it.
Yeah, this is me all the fucking time.
tj dillashaw
I'm not kidding you.
duane ludwig
It doesn't work on him, dude.
tj dillashaw
It's like a reverse effect.
Most people get stoned.
They'll sit on the couch.
They'll get hungry and not want to go do anything.
duane ludwig
They'll start doing combos and shit.
tj dillashaw
This guy's shadow boxing in the room.
joe rogan
You know what?
I've figured things out about my body when I'm high.
I've figured out certain stretches that I need.
I feel like, you know what?
I'm tight right here.
I've figured shit out, and then as you're feeling your body more, I'm like, you know what?
I've got to incorporate that more.
And then, like, certain techniques, like kicking techniques, like I've gone over them high, and I, like, feel the weight transfer better.
Because you know how, like, when you shin a bag, when you really whip your hip into it, there's certain times where you get it perfect, and there's certain times where it's a little off, a little weird, but then there's times when you just feel it!
And you just...
You just got that...
tj dillashaw
Yeah, I feel the community today, man.
duane ludwig
Yeah, so yeah, you can fucking kick, man.
Yeah, his kicks are amazing.
tj dillashaw
Rogan's kicks are awesome.
duane ludwig
We're doing some basic footwork drills and stuff, and it's not what you typically would do, you know, you personally.
So we get to the point where he was like, can we do some kicks?
joe rogan
Yeah.
All right, fucking wham!
duane ludwig
Like, holy shit, wham!
I was like, fuck, you can freaking kick, man.
I already know this from the spin kick videos and stuff.
And I got a video also of you demonstrating the spin kick.
That was awesome.
Thanks, man.
joe rogan
Oh, please.
Thank you, man.
It was really fun learning from you.
But yeah, I've been kicking shit since I was a baby.
duane ludwig
It's awesome.
You can fucking kick.
You're an athlete for sure.
joe rogan
Well, my body developed doing that.
I was a boy when I learned how to kick.
That's what I was talking about.
The dexterity, the ability to move your body in a certain way.
duane ludwig
Maturing as you're doing martial arts.
joe rogan
You were an amazing kicker, but you were having a hard time when I was trying to show you axe kicks or the spin kicks.
It's an awkward way for you to move, whereas my body's done that since I was a child.
It's like ballet.
duane ludwig
Little Dwayne Bang.
If he's laying down and I start slapping him in a heart, he'll fucking up.
tj dillashaw
He's walking around.
joe rogan
There is no tomorrow, little boy!
duane ludwig
He'll armbar me.
So it's cool, man.
I'm already training him to do what he wants.
People always ask me, is Dwayne Bang going to be a fighter?
And I'm like, if he chooses to, whatever his passion is going to be, I'm going to support him.
tj dillashaw
He's going to be a tap dancer.
joe rogan
That's good.
That's beautiful.
Hey, even if he's going to be a tap dancer.
If I had a gay son, as long as he was happy, I would way rather have a gay, happy son than a depressed daughter or a depressed, straight son.
Happy!
I joke around about my daughter being a lesbian, and my wife gets upset.
She's like, don't say that!
I go, why?
She likes Batman.
She likes wrestling.
She wrestles all the time.
She's super aggressive.
I have two daughters.
One of them is very girly, and the other one, I have a 17-year-old as well, but who's much more creative and artistic.
duane ludwig
Yeah, that's my daughter.
joe rogan
But the youngest one is a fucking brute, man.
She's hyper-aggressive.
She leaps off the bed and she takes my back.
And she's three!
And I'm like, she's a lesbian.
And my wife's like, stop it!
But I'm like, look, if you love lesbians, okay?
I love...
I have zero problem with people being gay.
So why would I care?
And a lesbian, like, it's really kind of like not even criticized in society.
I mean, a little by assholes, but it's not like being a gay man when you get beat up.
Who gets beat up for being a lesbian?
I mean, I'm sure someone has been, so I apologize if you have.
You fucking asshole!
That was being a blasphemy for being a lesbian!
But the reality is, even straight guys love lesbians.
You know, everybody loves lesbians.
Lesbians can kiss in public.
Nobody gives a shit.
They go, whoa.
You know, there's a few cunty girls.
Like, yeah, look at them showing up.
brian redban
You can't tell she's a lesbian this early.
joe rogan
Of course I can.
I'm just joking, dude.
There's a lot of shit I say that's not true.
You understand that?
brian redban
You say it a lot, though.
You don't say it in front of her, do you?
unidentified
That's a joke.
No, but that's a fighter, like, specific music and stuff.
tj dillashaw
He's just telling her, you're going to be a lesbian.
brian redban
You're going to be a fighter.
joe rogan
She loves mermaids and flowers.
It's a joke.
duane ludwig
I'm very curious to see what my children are going to turn into or become or what they are now and if they're going to be able to express that as an adult.
Like, I'm pretty sure Lil Dwayne Banks is going to be a fighter.
He's already got gloves and stuff.
He's in the gym all the time.
Him and TJ are best buddies.
He knows Faber and TJ and Buckles.
So he knows the fighters at the gym.
He loves being at the gym.
He loves the martial arts.
He's got his own little mouthpiece.
He's a little bit OCD about some things already.
tj dillashaw
I wonder where he's that from.
duane ludwig
And then my daughter, Jay, she's an artist.
She's just drawing and coloring all the time.
So that's why I tell her, we're all artists.
We're martial artists and she's an actual artist.
So it's good.
I want to hopefully when they get older, they can express, they can be who they want to be and not be stuck in some shitty job that they're unhappy with.
That's why I'm always fucking happy.
I get to basically do what I want every day.
joe rogan
Finding something that you can express yourself in.
It's whatever you gravitate towards.
If it's fucking flower arrangements.
Whatever the fuck it is, man.
I don't know what makes someone like a certain kind of music.
I don't like The Grateful Dead, man.
I've tried.
I don't like it.
It doesn't mean I hate people.
I love a lot of friends who love The Grateful Dead.
That's fine.
But it doesn't fucking work with me.
I like Dwight Yoakam.
I like a lot of shit.
If you're a friend of the devil, you're a friend of mine.
They actually played that on the helicopter ride that I went on in Maui, and I was like, are you really doing this to me, you fuckhead?
This guy is actually a podcast fan, so shout out to our driver.
It was kind of weird having a podcast fan fly us around in Maui and talk about the podcast.
tj dillashaw
I bet the helicopter was awesome though.
joe rogan
Oh, it's insane!
duane ludwig
That's cool.
joe rogan
Maui, I was in Maui last week.
That's why there was no podcast.
But me and my family went on a flight on a helicopter over Malachi.
And Malachi only has like a couple thousand people on the whole island.
And a lot of them are like campers.
They just go there and camp because they can live there for free and they live off the land.
They fish and they hunt.
duane ludwig
That's cool.
joe rogan
And there's fresh guava and mangoes and all these different plants that are just growing there and they hunt...
Excuse me, hunt wild pigs and there's wild sheep and all these sorts of different animals that you can, like, they hunt and fish and eat fresh fruits everywhere.
And apparently people go there and they take a boat and they just stay there for months and months at a time.
And it's legal.
duane ludwig
I want to go.
Actually, I have an affiliate in Hawaii, so hopefully I get to go there and go do my seminar with Mike Bickers.
I got affiliates all throughout the U.S. I actually have an affiliate in Thailand also, so it's kind of cool branching out.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's a photo that I took on my Instagram.
duane ludwig
Oh, wow, that's badass.
unidentified
That's a different island.
joe rogan
I'm pretty sure that was when we got to Malachi.
We flew over Maui and then we went to Malachi.
This is in Maui.
One of the craters that you fly over.
It's fucking insane.
It's insane.
Because, like, Hawaii looks incredibly beautiful from the ground.
You know, you just get out of your car and you're like, wow, this is amazing.
But when you're above it and you realize how weird it is, like, that this thing just popped up out of the ocean.
And that really what it is, it's like one of the biggest mountains in the world by volume.
It just happens to be in the middle of the ocean.
And it's just fucking volcano just...
Jutted out in the middle of the 5,000 miles, five hours by plane from everywhere.
There's nowhere to go.
And these crazy Polynesian motherfuckers got there on boats.
duane ludwig
That's crazy.
tj dillashaw
That's why they're so tough.
joe rogan
That's so gangster.
duane ludwig
Yeah, it's probably just part of it for sure.
joe rogan
They got there 1,500 years ago, man.
duane ludwig
Wow.
joe rogan
1,500 years ago, these fucking guys got there by boat.
And they did it more than once.
They knew how to navigate the ocean.
Back then.
1,500 fucking years ago.
tj dillashaw
That's crazy what people have done, dude.
joe rogan
And they made these boats, dude.
There's an aquarium in Maui where you can go see the boats that they created.
They have replicas of them.
It's a fucking log!
It's a fucking log!
It's a hollowed out log and they had like nets that they created that they made themselves and they would take a year to make a fucking net and they would set these nets and just go out there and hope that they would catch enough fish to keep their fucking children alive.
tj dillashaw
Yeah, because it took you a year to build that net.
joe rogan
How long did it take you to go 1500 miles by canoe?
tj dillashaw
Damn.
joe rogan
I mean, could you even cover 10 miles a day?
How many miles are you covering a day, canoeing?
brian redban
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah?
10?
What do you think, 50?
How much do you think?
tj dillashaw
Oh, more than that.
brian redban
Forget the place in Ohio, it used to be, I think, like, 7 miles.
tj dillashaw
100?
I mean, you should be able to canoe more than you can walk, and I just, the last five days, walked 120 miles up in the rubies.
joe rogan
Right, that's right, you were just saying that, your deer hunting experience.
So how many miles do you think you can canoe?
Should we say, If you're really going gangster, 100 miles a day?
tj dillashaw
You could, I think.
duane ludwig
I've never canoed.
I'm not quite sure what it is.
tj dillashaw
You're going to be tired.
brian redban
I'd say it's like a boat or a bike.
duane ludwig
Upstream, downstream, wind.
joe rogan
Right, you've got to deal with those.
So let's say, best case scenario, you're going gangster and while you're catching fish and feeding your family, you're going 100 miles a day.
It would take you 15 fucking days to get all the way out there to the middle of the ocean and find Hawaii.
duane ludwig
Then how many calories would you need to do that as well?
unidentified
Oh, good.
duane ludwig
Googly moogly.
So you're out there, eat the fish, come back, right?
There's a couple of key factors in that.
joe rogan
It would be insane.
tj dillashaw
15 days of gangster paddling?
joe rogan
I did five days of it.
tj dillashaw
It's such a good workout?
joe rogan
I did a hunt with Steve Ronella for that show Meat Eater and we went down the Missouri and we paddled most of the way.
It was a brutal workout.
It's great.
Your shoulders get sore.
You could treat it as a workout and really get gangster with it.
I was treating it as a workout.
I was like, I'm just not going to just paddle our way and enjoy the scenery.
I was like, I'm not working out while I'm here, so let's get a workout in.
So I made it a race.
Brian Callen was throwing up the other one.
I was just...
I'm crushing that fool.
duane ludwig
Everything's a competition, right?
Everything's a competition.
I'm going to win this shit.
Yeah, that's one thing.
The marijuana helped me to relax and be able to enjoy it.
I look at things so differently now.
I actually stopped weed for a while now, so I'm just kind of debating on if I was taking too much or what strand or what.
It definitely allowed me to appreciate life, be able to relax.
Play with the kids a bit more.
Food tastes better.
Drinks taste better.
I can relax.
I'm OCDing about shit that I can't control right now.
tj dillashaw
So you medically need it?
duane ludwig
Possibly.
It's a line to the fuck in my memory.
I'm holding myths for these guys.
Today's modern day fucking ninjas right here.
So if I miss a myth and they punch me in the face, that's going to be an issue.
So I've got to be on point with things for sure.
Even though I tell the guys, even if I do hold the myths on the wrong side, the striker needs to control their strike and that's just the way it has to be.
It's just one of those things.
joe rogan
I'm a big fan.
Of light edibles.
Light dose edibles.
That's what I've been doing lately.
duane ludwig
How many milligrams?
joe rogan
Not getting crazy.
See, that's the problem, man.
You buy these fucking cookies from these assholes, you don't know what the fuck you're getting.
duane ludwig
Colorado is pretty consistent and on point.
joe rogan
Yeah, well, it's consistent and on point with certain shit.
You go to LA Speedweed, they have these gummy bears.
You can guarantee pretty much LA Speedweed's gummy bears have a spit.
And if you know it and you're used to it, you might want to bite one in half, you might want to eat the whole one.
brian redban
But it's also based on so many other things other than just the How much did you eat?
Your hydration levels?
There's so many other factors.
joe rogan
Your own personal tolerance, too.
Because if you eat it a lot, you can do a lot more than a person who doesn't.
duane ludwig
What do you think about this as far as marijuana?
You're going to say no, of course, because that's a correct answer, but It's not for everybody.
Some people shouldn't be fucking smoking weed.
Some people are just dumb fucks.
And I'm not the smartest guy either.
I'm not.
I went to high school and that was it.
No college education.
But I definitely was able to pursue what I felt was correct for me and my path being a martial artist.
joe rogan
And do you love what you do?
duane ludwig
I fucking love what I do.
How many times have I not said that?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, motherfucker!
I think nothing's for everybody.
I don't think orange juice is for everybody.
duane ludwig
I think there needs to be a test.
joe rogan
My fucking kid hates orange juice.
tj dillashaw
Peanuts isn't for everybody.
duane ludwig
But people might like orange juice and not be able to fucking tolerate it either.
joe rogan
Exactly.
duane ludwig
So that's a problem.
joe rogan
I give her apple juice, she goes crazy.
She loves it.
Apple juice is our favorite, but orange juice sucks.
She fucking looks at you trying to feed her a shit sandwich.
Look, it's not for everybody.
Coconut's enough.
I love coconut water.
I've given it to people and they want to throw up.
duane ludwig
So that's got to be a thing as far as legalizing it.
For sure, I think people should be able to make their own decisions.
But man, there are reasons for it, for rules and guidelines and such.
Because some people just need to be told what to do and what not to do.
joe rogan
Yeah, but I don't agree with that.
I don't think people should be rules and guidelines.
I think there should be counseling.
duane ludwig
Because some people just don't fucking know right or wrong.
joe rogan
Well, I think there should be education, for sure.
Yeah, there should be education.
Look, we're dealing with very complicated issues where you're altering human neurochemistry through psychedelics.
People don't want to think of marijuana as a psychedelic.
It is, without a doubt, a psychoactive substance.
And if you eat it in large doses, it's as psychedelic as anything.
If you don't believe that, you're fucked.
Because if you do take it and you're not ready, you're going to get an experience very unlike a regular get high, smoke a joint.
So I think that anything like that can fuck you up.
And anything that can fuck you up mentally, we should tread with caution.
Because of the fact that we don't have education, we don't have centers where someone can go and they can say, well, in a controlled environment, you and your friends, what we would like to do is we're going to bring you in here.
We have a very specific level of marijuana we're going to give you.
We're going to work you up to where we think you can handle it.
So you could be in a comfortable, safe environment.
Like, have you guys gone to the marijuana fucking treatment center yet?
Whatever the fuck it is.
Yeah, it turns out I'm good with one gummy bear.
One gummy bear is perfect.
I found out what it is.
We went too far.
I went to the bar one day and I started thinking about my childhood and it was a little fucked up.
But I think I learned from that too.
But this way at least you would get an educated experience.
And we don't.
Now we're figuring it out for ourselves.
Whereas if you buy Tylenol, you know what the fucking dose is.
It's real simple.
It's right there on the label.
I take four Advils when I get a headache.
You know what the fuck you're supposed to take.
unidentified
800mg.
duane ludwig
Some people don't.
Some people are just retarded.
Well anything can be abused.
I've trained too much.
I didn't really know my reserve.
I was pushed too hard and broke my own body down.
I have low tests.
I have my testosterone checked.
I was 105 or 103. I forgot.
Super fucking low.
joe rogan
That's crazy low.
duane ludwig
That's just from what I understand, from what I was told anyways, that head trauma, severe weight cutting, redlining your body, and then of course steroids or taking too much steroids if you need to.
I've got three of the four fucking symptoms right there.
Head trauma, severe weight cutting, and redlining your body.
joe rogan
And jerking off like a maniac.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Jerking off like a zoo monkey on heroin.
Yeah, that could do it too.
That would drain your balls.
unidentified
Your balls struggle to keep up.
joe rogan
That's 10 minutes.
In 10 minutes, we turn into a pumpkin.
duane ludwig
Can I plug my affiliates real quick?
joe rogan
Fuck yeah.
duane ludwig
My man.
joe rogan
Well, DwayneBang.com is where they can go and find everything.
duane ludwig
DwayneBang.com.
Yes, and I got some affiliates.
I just had my buddy Alberto Crane in Burbank.
You know Alberto Crane?
unidentified
Sure.
duane ludwig
He just became an affiliate.
And then I got Ben Schistler in Westminster, Colorado.
We got Boyd in Phuket, Thailand.
Mike Bickers in Hawaii.
Brian Beaumont in Yuma, Arizona.
Jeff Fairbanks in Alaska.
And James Henry in Radford, Virginia.
I got James Johnson.
joe rogan
No one's going to remember these.
But DwayneBang.com, they will remember.
DwayneBang.com, and they have all of your affiliates up there.
Like you said before, I think it's really interesting, you set up your structure for your lessons every week, and then they follow it.
duane ludwig
Yeah, I've got to film a lot of those videos.
joe rogan
So you give away belts and shit too?
duane ludwig
Yeah, I have a ranking structure, colored ranked shirts, white, blue, purple, brown, black.
joe rogan
Who's got a black belt in Dwayne Banks?
duane ludwig
Only one guy.
That's Wiley McDonald in my East Coast headquarters.
He's Chris Herzog as well, their 10th Planet affiliate.
joe rogan
What about my man, TJ Dillshaw?
duane ludwig
He's actually got a blue belt.
So maybe a purple belt soon.
joe rogan
And then you're going to go brown, black?
duane ludwig
Yeah, white, blue, purple, brown, black.
joe rogan
Nice.
Beautiful.
duane ludwig
Yeah, I got my shit laid out, man.
I broke it down to a science and a structure, for sure.
joe rogan
Well, that's a big thing about the Holland style, the Dutch style of Muay Thai.
duane ludwig
Yeah, it's more European-based.
Very systematic.
joe rogan
I trained with Rob Kamen a bunch of times.
duane ludwig
Yeah, nice.
Yeah, Rob's the man.
I learned a lot from his actual VHS tapes I got from Century or whatever.
I used to watch those fuckers all the time.
joe rogan
I was really impressed at the way he structures his combinations.
They're very technical.
Left hook, right leg kick, this position, that position, this, that.
You sort of picture it, and then once you train with a guy who's explaining that stuff to you, then you watch a fight, you can see it take place.
We watch, like, Remy Wojcicki.
You watch, like, certain type fighters.
And you go, oh, I see what he just did there.
Like, there's an Ernesto Hoost highlight reel.
Where he, to me, he had the best left hook, right leg combo ever.
He would just slap, whack!
You know, he would just set that up so beautiful.
duane ludwig
Mr. Perfect.
joe rogan
Oh, that was...
duane ludwig
He's a good guy, too.
joe rogan
He's cool.
He's very cool.
duane ludwig
I like him.
joe rogan
Very nice.
Very friendly.
But that fucking leg kick highlight...
Pull that shit up.
We'll close with this.
Pull that up on YouTube.
duane ludwig
It's cool for me to...
joe rogan
It's Ernesto Hoost leg kick highlight.
duane ludwig
What's cool for me is to be such a fan of Ernesto, and then one time in Japan I seen him, and then he knew who I was, so I was like, oh, fuck, man, that's pretty cool.
joe rogan
That is pretty badass.
duane ludwig
Yeah, that was cool.
joe rogan
Yeah, he knew who I was, too.
I was like, holy shit, I'm a little dork.
Yeah, but I'm still a kickboxing dork.
unidentified
Yeah, but you're popular as fuck.
joe rogan
Yeah, watch this.
You watch Ernesto with these fucking leg kicks, man.
That's not it.
Oh, yeah it is.
This is just the beginning of it before it actually shows the video.
This is just showing the highlight and then it goes into this part where it, skip ahead a little.
Here it is.
Watch these.
duane ludwig
Mirko.
joe rogan
Yeah, he fought Mirko a couple times.
duane ludwig
Yeah, those Kimo guys all fought each other on a YouTube basis, man.
joe rogan
Oh, Jesus!
duane ludwig
Owie!
joe rogan
Dude, they're so owie though.
tj dillashaw
I'd rather get hit with a baseball bat.
joe rogan
They're so owie.
And the way he chops down with it, man.
duane ludwig
Yeah, a three-quarter drop.
joe rogan
It's so, like, whip-like.
I mean, it was like he was hitting you with a fucking mace or something.
Here it is.
Whoa!
Jesus!
That fucking left hook right leg combo is so nasty!
And so beautiful to watch.
Like, you want to talk about martial arts?
That motherfucker is a ballerina.
duane ludwig
Yes, yeah.
joe rogan
I mean, that shit is like way cooler than anything Barista Cop's ever done.
Look at that.
Boom!
tj dillashaw
Big ballerina.
Are you kidding me?
duane ludwig
Francisco Filo.
tj dillashaw
For a big dude, too many fast.
duane ludwig
Yeah.
joe rogan
And that combo is so gorgeous.
The left hook right leg kick...
Always!
Over and over again with that combo.
And he would shut motherfuckers down.
Like Philo, look at him here.
He's like, Jesus.
duane ludwig
That's why it sucked when Bob Sapp beat him.
I was like, fuck, that broke my heart, man.
joe rogan
Well, he got bum-rushed by a gorilla.
unidentified
Yeah, that's true.
joe rogan
If you've never seen that fight, Bob Sapp didn't even look like a human being.
He was the biggest any fighter has ever been.
He was on everything that ever existed.
He was on...
He was 370 pounds of Mexican supplements just stacked into a man.
It's a beautiful thing, though.
Again, I don't think that it's good that Bob Sapp did that, but I think that it's good that we got to see what happens when a guy that big can do that.
Even a guy like Ernesto Hoos, you can't stop that bum rush.
That big, crazy fuck is just gonna fucking Donkey Kong you into the ground.
He did it.
He did it with very little MMA experience.
Very little kickboxing experience.
duane ludwig
That's what sucks.
It breaks my heart, man.
For him to get beat from somebody who's technically not on paper not as good, that just sucks.
joe rogan
It shows you how gangster Crow Cop is.
Because Krokop finished him.
tj dillashaw
Especially back then.
joe rogan
He was also physically strong enough to keep the dude away.
duane ludwig
Push him off.
joe rogan
And he had this aggressive style.
Krokop was also like, he's like a sniper.
He leaps in and cracks you with shit.
Whereas Ernesto would be more technical and would block shit.
You can't stand in front of that dude.
You just can't stand in front of that dude.
So a style like Mirko's where you like leap in with a head kick or leap in with one punch or one kick, just full power blast.
Not as technical.
So when he fought Ernesto, it wasn't the right style for Ernesto.
When he fought Bob Sapp, it's a better style.
There's also the fact that Bob had already fought a bunch of guys and how long can you really keep that much supplements in your system?
Mexican supplements in your system.
There's never been a human that big inside of a ring.
Show the picture of Bob Sapp if you've never seen it.
duane ludwig
He's a sweetheart of a guy too, man.
joe rogan
Great guy.
duane ludwig
Great guy.
joe rogan
And it's really unfortunate watching him fight now because it seems like he just goes down.
duane ludwig
Oh, he's still fighting?
joe rogan
He's lost like some insane amount of fights in a row.
duane ludwig
I thought he made a good chunk of change.
joe rogan
No, I don't think he did.
I think he also had a lot of problems.
duane ludwig
That's always a misconception.
joe rogan
Well, I think he was making good money in Japan for a while, but then I think he ran into some problems with them, and remember there was that 1K1 event where he wouldn't come out and fight?
duane ludwig
Yeah, they didn't prepay him or something.
joe rogan
Well, they wanted him to sign a contract before he fought.
duane ludwig
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
You know, there was some...
Jesus!
unidentified
Look at the fucking size of him!
joe rogan
Are you kidding me?
Is that the biggest guy's ever been inside the ring?
tj dillashaw
For sure.
duane ludwig
Big human being right there.
joe rogan
That's insane.
duane ludwig
For sure.
joe rogan
370 with abs.
Wow, it was a 370. 370 with abs.
God damn it.
Anyway.
Look, Dwayne, it's always a pleasure to see you.
duane ludwig
Thank you, Mr. Rogan.
unidentified
This has been awesome, man.
joe rogan
It's been a beautiful time.
TJ, thank you very much for doing this, and thanks for helping me out today, man.
duane ludwig
It was really fun training with you.
joe rogan
It was really fun getting to see you move with him and kick the bag, and your technique looks fucking sweet.
I appreciate that.
Beautiful.
He's a serious athlete, man.
duane ludwig
Today's ninjas right here.
joe rogan
You learn shit so quick.
Showing you one thing and watching you duplicate it, and then two or three times later, it's like 50-60% better.
That's beautiful to see.
You got the perfect environment for learning there.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Team Alpha Male, bitches.
tj dillashaw
Hell yeah.
joe rogan
On the rise.
duane ludwig
Bangzillions.
tj dillashaw
That's right.
joe rogan
The Bangzillions.
DwayneBang.com, ladies and gentlemen.
DwayneBang.com.
You can get one of these super dope and sexy t-shirts.
I got three of them, bitch.
duane ludwig
Good man.
Thank you, Mr. Rogan.
joe rogan
Thank you, brother.
It was a great time.
tj dillashaw
I don't even have three of those.
joe rogan
What's up, dude?
DwayneBang.com on Twitter and TJ Dillashaw on Twitter as well.
And TJ, how do you spell your name?
Last name is D-I-L-L-A-S-H-A-W. There you go.
So TJ, D-I-L-L-A-S-H-A-W, as well as on Instagram, same name.
Love you, buddy.
Thank you, guys.
tj dillashaw
Thank you very much, man.
unidentified
Love being here.
joe rogan
Good times.
All right, we will be back tomorrow with the great Joey Coco Diaz.
And then Wednesday, we return with Everlast in the motherfucking house, bitch.
Which should be a great time.
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Go to O-N-N-I-T and use the code name Rogan.
And save yourself 10% off any and all supplements.
Alright, you guys.
Thank you for all the love online.
And I say it always, but I really mean it.
I benefit from this show as much as you guys do.
And so thank you to everybody tuning in and everybody who's ever been on it.
Alright, you fucks.
We'll see you tomorrow.
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