Aug. 13, 2013 - The Joe Rogan Experience
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You hear that click folks? | |
| That's real-time typing. | ||
| I don't fuck around. | ||
| This show has... | ||
| Hear that? | ||
| That's my laptop for the 80th time. | ||
| The show has zero production value. | ||
| I'm just gonna warn you right now. | ||
| If this is the first one you've ever listened to, and you're like, this fucking Joe Rogan show is totally unprofessional. | ||
| You should edit it. | ||
| Stop now. | ||
| It's not going to get any better from here. | ||
| This show's a mess. | ||
| This episode is brought to you by Stamps.com. | ||
| Stamps.com is a website that allows you to use the post office without actually having to go to the post office. | ||
| You get to learn how to Send shit all out through your computer. | ||
| They send you a digital scale. | ||
| You get to measure everything, print it up on your computer, and then put the stickers on it and leave it out for the postman. | ||
| It's a beautiful idea. | ||
| Whoever thought it up is a fucking genius. | ||
| It's the easiest way to have a business and send shit to people without having to go to the post office, wait in line. | ||
| Ugh, you know you don't want to do that. | ||
| And they don't want you there either, alright? | ||
| Figure that shit out on your own, bitch. | ||
| Get yourself a little laptop. | ||
| Get yourself, if you use the code word JRE, get yourself a free digital scale that you will only use for stamps.com, you fucks. | ||
| Don't be measuring your weed on it and incriminating yourself. | ||
| People scraping resin off your little scale there and sending you to jail. | ||
| If you go to stamps.com, use the code word J-R-E, and you will get this special no-risk trial. | ||
| No risk. | ||
| I love that. | ||
| That's what America loves. | ||
| No risk. | ||
| I want to be able to just do shit. | ||
| Get away with it. | ||
| Can't fix that. | ||
| Once they fix bodies, once they figure out how to fix bodies, we're fucked. | ||
| That's what everybody wants. | ||
| Everybody wants no risk. | ||
| Right? | ||
| You saw the guy with the two arms, the guy in the Marines or whatever, got blown up in Afghanistan and they put... | ||
| Prosthetics? | ||
| No, they put someone else's arms on his arms. | ||
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Oh my god, wow. | |
| And it was on the chive. | ||
| And I just remember like... | ||
| Wow. | ||
| If there really is a god, he's gonna kill us for this. | ||
| We are playing a fine line here. | ||
| It was awesome. | ||
| The guy looked like he had lost his arms and now had new arms. | ||
| The look on his face was just like, That's incredible. | ||
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Wow. | |
| And they didn't really move. | ||
| They just twisted a little bit. | ||
| Yeah, that's still not no risk. | ||
| It's still a big fucking risk. | ||
| Everybody wants zero risk. | ||
| They don't want you to stitch somebody else's arms on. | ||
| No, no, no, no, no, no. | ||
| Don't take my arms off. | ||
| Please. | ||
| Use the code word JRE and save yourself some money. | ||
| Go. | ||
| Stamps.com. | ||
| It's beautiful. | ||
| It's a beautiful website. | ||
| We're also brought to you by Legal Zoom. | ||
| Legal Zoom is a website that allows you to do a lot of legal shit online without really having to go to the lawyer's office and spend a lot of money. | ||
| Do it on their time. | ||
| You could do it in your underwear. | ||
| You could make yourself an LLC. You could incorporate for only $99 while naked. | ||
| You could do whatever you want. | ||
| No one can tell you what the fuck to do. | ||
| You could do it slowly. | ||
| You could take your time. | ||
| But you can do a lot of shit that you otherwise would have to go to the lawyers for. | ||
| And, you know, save yourself a lot of time and a lot of money. | ||
| Things like divorce. | ||
| You can get divorced. | ||
| You can get a will for just 69 bucks. | ||
| You can get divorced. | ||
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I don't know. | |
| I might have made that up. | ||
| Can you get divorced? | ||
| I think I totally made that up. | ||
| Let's see, LegalZoom, divorce. | ||
| Can someone figure that out for me, please? | ||
| Yeah, let's find out. | ||
| Are you in the middle of one? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Okay, let's see. | ||
| Isn't it funny? | ||
| It seems like when you're not married, it seems like, oh, yeah, LegalZoom does divorce. | ||
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Starting at $299. | |
| Goddamn. | ||
| Do divorce for $299. | ||
| Shay, if you're listening, it's going to be easy online. | ||
| Yeah, it's beautiful. | ||
| Do it online. | ||
| It's very unfortunate. | ||
| Divorce is very unfortunate. | ||
| But what's more unfortunate is that marriage exists. | ||
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That's what's more unfortunate. | |
| For sure, don't get me wrong. | ||
| Absolutely, women should be compensated when they have children. | ||
| And I understand the idea of alimony. | ||
| I get what's going on. | ||
| No one should suffer. | ||
| And yeah, I get that. | ||
| Totally 100%. | ||
| At what time do we just stop and go, hey, maybe it's not the best idea to just get your finances all fucking tangled up together, where you want to break up and you can't break up because all your fucking credit cards and bank accounts are together and you own the house together or some crazy shit and you absorb her student loans and now your credit's fucked and... | ||
| She has to deal with the fact your credit's shit, too, because your car got repossessed. | ||
| Together, you're just a fucking nightmare. | ||
| And then you have some lawyers that take the extra third that they, you know... | ||
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Yeah. | |
| So you don't even end up with everything. | ||
| You end up with a lot less than you expected in the first place. | ||
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Trust me. | |
| You're paying another party. | ||
| I've seen it. | ||
| I've seen it happen. | ||
| I'm happily married. | ||
| My parents. | ||
| But I got lucky. | ||
| Perfect example. | ||
| Oh, it happens with everybody. | ||
| People are fucking crazy. | ||
| Me included. | ||
| We're all fucking crazy. | ||
| And the idea that we can get locked into some nutty contract that says, alright, I'm not going anywhere. | ||
| You going anywhere? | ||
| No. | ||
| Sign here. | ||
| Sometimes it works. | ||
| But that one third thing is the thing that Phil Hartman used to always say. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And this is a guy whose wife wound up killing him. | ||
| What he used to always say is, it's not half. | ||
| It's two-thirds. | ||
| Because the lawyer gets a fucking third. | ||
| He was sweating it hard. | ||
| Did she do that before? | ||
| She killed him in his sleep. | ||
| But I'm saying, were they divorced? | ||
| Or were they still married? | ||
| No, they were still married. | ||
| But, you know, there's all sorts of rumors as to why she was upset. | ||
| But she was obviously fucked up on some... | ||
| She was on Zoloft and cocaine, apparently, allegedly. | ||
| I think they got a payment from Zoloft for that. | ||
| I think the family got money for it. | ||
| The whole thing is so fucking sad. | ||
| My point is, it's not like that would have changed. | ||
| That's a crazy person and drugs and all sorts of other things. | ||
| That's not what I'm saying. | ||
| What I'm saying is that I just wish it didn't have to be that people got crushed like that. | ||
| I've watched dudes go down and take a divorce hit that is like... | ||
| It just eats a year of your life and they were miserable for a year. | ||
| It's like any vicious separation like that is hard enough just emotionally. | ||
| But then to tag into it the fucking battle that people go through... | ||
| Where they, you know, this fucking bitch, she wants the house. | ||
| I'm not gonna fucking give it to her. | ||
| You don't even like that house. | ||
| I don't give a fuck! | ||
| You know, you see people get crazy. | ||
| They could have just gone to LegalZoom. | ||
| Kobe's wife took all three houses? | ||
| Did she? | ||
| I thought they got back together. | ||
| In Newport Coast? | ||
| I'm just saying. | ||
| It's just stuff that I've heard. | ||
| I don't like to talk about Kobe. | ||
| Or his wife. | ||
| Who the fuck do I know? | ||
| Who am I? I'm an asshole talking about him. | ||
| I just hear bullshit. | ||
| It's probably not even true. | ||
| Imagine if Kobe got divorced on LegalZoom.com. | ||
| That would be the shit. | ||
| Figured it out himself. | ||
| He's like, just take it! | ||
| LegalZoom.com can do a lot of shit, though. | ||
| It's a sweet alternative to... | ||
| Going to a lawyer and spending a lot of money. | ||
| It's not really necessary. | ||
| And if you're in over your head, they'll also provide you contact with an independent attorney. | ||
| So if you're in the middle of it and you're like, you know what, I'm fucking panicking. | ||
| I think this is illegal. | ||
| I've got to stop. | ||
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I'm with you. | |
| I'm stupid too, okay? | ||
| If I had to go and do my own taxes, who knows what the fuck I would have done. | ||
| Oh, goodness. | ||
| It would be terrible. | ||
| It would be a disaster. | ||
| I'm not designed for that shit. | ||
| Use the code name ROGAN in the referral box and you can get more savings. | ||
| It's a sweet, sweet website if you're in need of getting something done. | ||
| They just want to stress that they're not a law firm. | ||
| They provide We're also sponsored by Onnit.com. | ||
| That's O-N-N-I-T. A human optimization website. | ||
| We gotta get Ian McCall some supplements, bitch. | ||
| I need some alpha brain. | ||
| Gonna get you some alpha brain, son. | ||
| Have you ever tried it? | ||
| Ever? | ||
| No. | ||
| Take four during the show. | ||
| People go, four? | ||
| What the fuck? | ||
| Yeah, four, man. | ||
| Four, don't be a pussy. | ||
| I'm gonna live forever. | ||
| Do you have any water for him? | ||
| Can we get him a water or something like that? | ||
| I don't think you understand if you ask me to take... | ||
| I do understand, but this is good for you. | ||
| I'm ready to take a one. | ||
| We'll have some delivered to you. | ||
| We also have hemp force. | ||
| You would love that shit. | ||
| Hemp protein powder. | ||
| It's fucking delicious. | ||
| I'm a coffee man. | ||
| Bulletproof. | ||
| I read something saying that that could be bad for you. | ||
| That it could possibly give you a heart attack and shit. | ||
| People look at all the butter in the coffee and they're like, hey man, this is probably not so good. | ||
| But I think they're probably discounting the difference. | ||
| And I wonder if they are between the body's absorption of grass fed butter versus regular butter. | ||
| If you never, you don't know what the fuck we're talking about. | ||
| There's a guy named Dave Asprey, this like, Super eclectic genius dude who collects all sorts of information about human optimization. | ||
| He's a freak for this stuff. | ||
| He runs bulletproofexec.com and he came up with this idea for Bulletproof Coffee. | ||
| It's fucking genius. | ||
| It's grass-fed butter MCT oil, which is medium triglyceride oil. | ||
| Is that what it's called? | ||
| Is that what it's called? | ||
| What the fuck is it? | ||
| I'm drawing a blank. | ||
| MCT oil. | ||
| Medium something? | ||
| Whatever. | ||
| What the fuck it is. | ||
| I don't remember what it's called. | ||
| Look, it's good for you. | ||
| You know what it is? | ||
| MCT oil is coconut oil. | ||
| But what they do is they spin it in a centrifuge. | ||
| And by spinning it in a centrifuge, they can take out the most nutritious aspects of it. | ||
| Medium chain triglycerides is what they're called. | ||
| And all that together, mixed with the coffee... | ||
| Somehow or another it has like a slow release effect because you have all the calories with it. | ||
| Because you have the calories of the butter and the calories of the like really rich MCT oil. | ||
| And it's a slower release sort of coffee thing. | ||
| So that you don't have like that massive crash. | ||
| You drink like black coffee and you have an empty stumper. | ||
| Do you? | ||
| Just go for it. | ||
| I drink like four shots before every training session. | ||
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Do you? | |
| Four shots? | ||
| Holy shit, man. | ||
| Have you ever tried doing it with bulletproof coffee? | ||
| No, I'm just, I'm literally was, like when I was sitting in Brazil, I was on the internet trying to buy it off of your, off of Onat. | ||
| You would, I think you would enjoy it, man. | ||
| This is, we have some of it right here. | ||
| Do we have any? | ||
| Shit, did I drink at all? | ||
| Here, if you want to try it. | ||
| I'll try a sip. | ||
| Try a sip. | ||
| Here, I don't have cooties. | ||
| Try some of mine. | ||
| Just don't stick your tongue in my mouth. | ||
| We sell a lot of shit like that, though, at Onnit. | ||
| We do sell bulletproof coffee, but we try to sell the most nutritious and interesting things that we can find, like killer bee honey. | ||
| That's delicious, right? | ||
| That's delicious. | ||
| Stevia, too. | ||
| No sugar. | ||
| Himalayan salt, which is incredibly rich in minerals. | ||
| If you don't know about the benefits of natural salt, if you're thinking about any of these things, whether it's the nootropics, I always urge people to Google it. | ||
| It's a very interesting and fascinating subject. | ||
| And the subject of supplements themselves, there's a lot of data from a lot of people that seem to suggest that it's more important to have diet and that your diet is really where you get all your nutrients from, which I... Agree that the body absorbs nutrients most certainly better from a rich diet and a healthy diet. | ||
| But it's also really good to supplement. | ||
| Don't be crazy. | ||
| They're both good. | ||
| Healthy vitamins are good. | ||
| Healthy nutrients are good. | ||
| And healthy amounts of vegetables. | ||
| Green leafy vegetables. | ||
| That shit's so important. | ||
| Can't stress that enough. | ||
| I don't even sell vegetables. | ||
| But I always tell people, you want to make your life better? | ||
| Eat more vegetables, bitch. | ||
| You're eating fucking cheeseburgers and empty food. | ||
| She eats perfect. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But no supplements. | ||
| And I'm trying to get sponsored by APS. Hey, as long as you eat perfect, you don't need supplements. | ||
| Quite honestly, I think there's certain supplements that I would take regardless of my diet, like Shroom Tech for training or just things to give you extra energy or melatonin if I wanted to sleep. | ||
| I would still take those things. | ||
| But I think that if you could eat just nothing but organic vegetables all day and you really ate healthy quantities of it, you'd probably get enough nutrients. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You probably do. | ||
| She doesn't get the quantity. | ||
| If you really do... | ||
| She doesn't get the quantity, though. | ||
| No, the quantity, yeah. | ||
| You have to eat massive quantities. | ||
| That's the thing. | ||
| She works out twice a day with me. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So it's... | ||
| She's young, though. | ||
| Look at her. | ||
| You're young. | ||
| Young people are vibrant. | ||
| They heal quicker. | ||
| My daughter's three. | ||
| She's like Wolverine. | ||
| She gets a scratch. | ||
| It's gone by the end of the day. | ||
| They just suck up inside their body. | ||
| They're just growing. | ||
| She could eat cheeseburgers all day. | ||
| That's how young people get away with shitty diets and still amazing athletes. | ||
| You have a hyperbody. | ||
| My daughter's almost two, and she literally just... | ||
| I feel like she can fall down a flight of stairs, and then five seconds later, she's doing jumping jacks. | ||
| I'm like, oh, wow. | ||
| Nice. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They're going to have some supplements one day that's going to be able to do that. | ||
| You're going to be able to rebound just like a little kid. | ||
| That's fucking for sure coming. | ||
| There's some crazy assholes right now just cracking all sorts of things about the human body. | ||
| Back to Orange County, every man, every 50, 60-year-old guy is TRT'd out of his gills. | ||
| Oh, out of his gills. | ||
| I saw one guy at this place I eat all the time driving an R8. Feeling sexy. | ||
| He thought he was on point. | ||
| Dude was on point. | ||
| How sexy was he on a 1 to 10? | ||
| For a 60-year-old man, he was about a 9.5. | ||
| I saw a dude on the beach that had to be 75 years old, and he was yoked. | ||
| And I should talk. | ||
| I'm 46 now. | ||
| I'm on TRT. I'm on human growth hormone. | ||
| I take both of those. | ||
| I take a little bit less than one unit of growth a day, and I take a shot once a week of testosterone. | ||
| I used to do a cream, but the cream, you've got to do it every day. | ||
| You do a shot once a week. | ||
| It's just a little. | ||
| It's just like two on a syringe, whatever the fuck that is. | ||
| It's not much for a week. | ||
| But if I don't, I don't feel as good. | ||
| I try and get my dad onto it because I know it'll... | ||
| He's always fucking complaining about, oh, I'm 69, I'm old. | ||
| I'm like, come on, let's figure it out. | ||
| He won't do it because he's an old surfer hippie. | ||
| Well, it's becoming much more popular and you see it all over the news. | ||
| Testosterone replacement. | ||
| And people are like, well, what about the negative benefits? | ||
| You know what the... | ||
| Well, there's a lot of negative benefits on not using it that are undeniable, like getting old. | ||
| Alright? | ||
| It's a different effect on your body. | ||
| The reason why you get old is your body's not producing testosterone. | ||
| So you can be, like, proud and say, well, that's it. | ||
| I'll just fucking go out in the night like a cowboy. | ||
| Or you can just give you a shot and then you're good. | ||
| Don't be stupid. | ||
| You know, what, do you want to not enjoy your life as much? | ||
| Do you want to not have as much energy? | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| You only have so long to live. | ||
| Make those years better. | ||
| This message by Onnit is called Get Your Shit Together, Bitch. | ||
| That's the proposal. | ||
| Get your shit together, bitch. | ||
| You can get your shit together at Onnit. | ||
| So kettlebells, battle ropes, just re-carve your life. | ||
| Get it together. | ||
| Drink some water, fucker. | ||
| All right? | ||
| Eat some good stuff. | ||
| Go to Onnit.com. | ||
| Use the code name ROGAN. Save yourself 10% off any and all supplements. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Ian McCall's here. | ||
| Let's make it official. | ||
| Kill the music. | ||
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Joe Rogan Podcast, check it out. | |
| The Joe Rogan Experience. | ||
| Train my day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day. | ||
| Powerful Ian McCall. | ||
| Dude, thank you so much for doing this, man. | ||
| Thank you for having me. | ||
| Much requested by the Underground Forum. | ||
| Yes, the UGCTT, my loyal followers. | ||
| Yeah, what does that stand for? | ||
| The Underground Creepy Top Team. | ||
| These guys, I've been there forever. | ||
| I've been on the underground since 2002 or 2001, I think. | ||
| But they made this themselves. | ||
| They called themselves the UGCTT to make fun of all the other top teams in the world. | ||
| That's why all the shirts have it on. | ||
| That's why we don't make money off the shirts. | ||
| Oh, that's funny. | ||
| We just make enough to pay for it, and then we give away tons of shirts. | ||
| I mean, it's... | ||
| Yeah, that underground's got a mind of its own. | ||
| Yeah, they could sway the opinion of the sport, I think, itself. | ||
| Yeah, and it's funny how these things just come out of nowhere on a forum, and then it becomes a meme, and then it takes off. | ||
| On the underground, it was always beep, the homo detector. | ||
| Threads would always have beep. | ||
| You could clearly see that some guys would troll for beeps, too. | ||
| Yeah, of course. | ||
| But still, it's very common. | ||
| If something happens, some guy has his shirt off, beep! | ||
| I had a long thread on the underground for a while. | ||
| I don't know if you ever saw that. | ||
| What was it? | ||
| The thread of the women that I was sleeping with. | ||
| No, you had a thread with all the women you were sleeping with? | ||
| I wasn't aware of that. | ||
| I was getting in trouble for it too. | ||
| Yeah, that would seem like that could get you in trouble. | ||
| But there was no nudity. | ||
| Oh, no nudity. | ||
| Honestly, there was probably a couple hundred on there. | ||
| It was like a year long, and it just got ugly, and then some people obviously complained and threatened me. | ||
| I was like, well, you're not naked on there. | ||
| There's stars over your parts. | ||
| At the time, it probably felt like it was a better idea at the time. | ||
| This was before I was in the UFC. It was a while ago. | ||
| I just thought I was cool. | ||
| I'm only good at the physical things. | ||
| Everything else I suck at. | ||
| Fighting and women, I'm all right at. | ||
| Well, the Underground has produced some of the most epic threads I've ever seen on message boards. | ||
| Did you ever read the one with the guy who's the undefeated prison fighter? | ||
| No. | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| I believe his name is Christian Darrow. | ||
| And he went to jail. | ||
| Super thick white dude? | ||
| Yeah, he was a big yoked up white dude with a lot of tattoos. | ||
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He's on the prison documentaries. | |
| Yeah, and he wound up having a fight with this, fuck, what is his name? | ||
| James. | ||
| God damn it. | ||
| I gotta look up this guy's name. | ||
| The kid who fought him. | ||
| Because the kid who fought him had some skills and just beat the shit out of this guy. | ||
| But it was weird watching. | ||
| It was like, is this guy even trained? | ||
| And he might not even have ever trained. | ||
| He might just be a crazy guy who lied. | ||
| And he talked himself into... | ||
| Being the toughest man on the planet. | ||
| Into having an MMA fight when he really had no fucking business doing it. | ||
| Did they fight in prison? | ||
| James Fanaro. | ||
| That's his name. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| They fought in a gym. | ||
| There's a video of it. | ||
| There's a video of it online. | ||
| I don't even need to shit on the dude, but... | ||
| But sorry you suck. | ||
| Sorry. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Come on now. | ||
| I don't even know how we got onto the subject. | ||
| I'm not sure. | ||
| Because I totally forgot, oh, epic threads. | ||
| So that's how I found out about this thread, was from the underground. | ||
| Did you ever read The Girl Tried to Lick My Pooper? | ||
| Jesus Christ, that thread is like a billion fucking pages long. | ||
| It's six months old of it. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| There's some threads that I have subscribed that I'll check in on every couple of months. | ||
| They have a podcast thread, and every now and then I'll jump in. | ||
| They have a thread about the podcast, I'll jump in and say hi. | ||
| Those are your people. | ||
| They're nice people. | ||
| Look, the amount of cunts in the world is pretty high. | ||
| I love that word. | ||
| And when people are free to be whoever they are, anonymously, you're going to get a lot of cunts. | ||
| Because that's the root of all animosity, is cunty behavior. | ||
| I got trolled in Brazil, and I just lost it on some guy because he was just... | ||
| There's only one word he said, but it just pissed me off. | ||
| It's constant. | ||
| But you know what it is? | ||
| They're just trying to have fun a lot of times by just getting a rise out of you. | ||
| You've got to realize that. | ||
| But it's also just... | ||
| It's not a natural way to communicate. | ||
| To not be in front of someone... | ||
| There's a lot of things that you'd say in email that you would never say in front. | ||
| That's why people say, I don't want to talk to you. | ||
| I'm just going to write you a letter and show you how you feel. | ||
| Bitch, stop it with your fucking letter. | ||
| Don't make me read. | ||
| Don't be a pussy. | ||
| Just look at me and tell me what's going on. | ||
| You tell me what's the problem and let's talk this out. | ||
| Because that's the best way to communicate is looking at each other. | ||
| Looking at each other and actually saying what's on your mind. | ||
| You can't let things build up because you're going to explode and end up doing something stupid or Yeah. | ||
| And things can swing like left or right, like good or bad, depending on how you react to a moment while you're in front of someone. | ||
| And a lot of times you would apologize. | ||
| You'd go, look, I shouldn't have said that. | ||
| Look, I didn't mean it that way. | ||
| Or look, this is where I'm coming from. | ||
| I don't, you know. | ||
| You do that when you're looking at each other. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| When you write it down on an email, you can just be completely self-indulgent and just filled with nonsense. | ||
| And you think just because someone wrote it down, like it makes it really, oh, respect feelings and this and that, blah, blah, blah. | ||
| Shut up, you fucking verbose asshole. | ||
| You just don't have the balls to say it to my face. | ||
| Clickety-clickety-clack, clickety-clack. | ||
| Stop it! | ||
| Talk, stupid! | ||
| Text messages. | ||
| You broke up with me over text messages. | ||
| Well, that's horrible, but if you are in a nightmare relationship, it's probably a good move. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| Like, why be around them any more than you have to? | ||
| Just pull a cord. | ||
| Hey, you know, I've been thinking. | ||
| I gotta go. | ||
| And you're kind of crazy. | ||
| Yeah, unfortunately, we've all run into crazy people. | ||
| And they've all run into us. | ||
| So there you go. | ||
| I attracted crazy for... | ||
| 99% of my life. | ||
| Of course you did, my friend. | ||
| You're old school, man. | ||
| People don't fucking understand that. | ||
| You're talking about Chris Brennan and Jeremy Williams and that's next generation, right? | ||
| All those guys. | ||
| Old school. | ||
| I started like, oh, Rory McDonald started training MMA. I'm like, so did I. Chris Brennan, man, he was like an early pioneer jiu-jitsu guy. | ||
| He was like one of the first guys around LA to get really fucking good. | ||
| He was sick. | ||
| His Kimuras were nasty. | ||
| He had a gang of setups, too. | ||
| Yeah, a bunch of it. | ||
| And that's what I took from him. | ||
| That was... | ||
| Most of my game. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He's a tough dude, man. | ||
| Really good jujitsu. | ||
| A lot of people slept on his jujitsu. | ||
| And then he went over to Japan, but it was almost like on the tail end of his competing, you know, when he was over in Japan. | ||
| Yeah, he wasn't able to really showcase how good he really was. | ||
| Didn't he have a bunch of epic fights with Pat Miletic? | ||
| Didn't they have two fights? | ||
| Did they have two fights? | ||
| They fought in... | ||
| Was it UFC? I remember he slept Joe Stevenson in UFC when Joe was like 16. Oh yeah. | ||
| And he held onto the triangle for too long like a dick. | ||
| He was the only guy to knock out Antonio McKee too. | ||
| I was there. | ||
| That was bad. | ||
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Woo! | |
| That was a nasty kick. | ||
| Chris Bannon was a bad motherfucker. | ||
| He's doing jujitsu in Dallas now, right? | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| He's living out in Dallas. | ||
| He just wanted to change the scenery, so he took off. | ||
| Good for him, man. | ||
| I left Texas, too. | ||
| That's the beautiful thing about having a reputation, having a name in the martial arts world like he does. | ||
| You could just start up a place, places, and people would be like, hey, fucking Chris Bannon just moved into town. | ||
| This is awesome. | ||
| And that guy's a businessman. | ||
| I mean, he is a very, very smart businessman. | ||
| Good jiu-jitsu guy. | ||
| It's nasty fucking ears, though. | ||
| Get that shit fixed, son. | ||
| He's got some crazy Waleed Ishmael type ears. | ||
| He knows he's not the most attractive man in the world, but if you see his wife, she's a beautiful creature. | ||
| I'm sure. | ||
| He's a tough dude. | ||
| I like that guy, too. | ||
| He's a nice guy. | ||
| He was training with Gerald Streben, who's a buddy of mine. | ||
| Yeah, I know Gerald. | ||
| Yeah, you know a lot of dudes, man. | ||
| Buck Greer and just old school people, man. | ||
| How did you start fighting? | ||
| I liked fist fighting. | ||
| That was me and my boys thing in high school. | ||
| We wanted to fist fight. | ||
| We were in this stupid little gang that the cops called us a gang, but we were just a bunch of rich white kids who liked to fist fight. | ||
| We're talking out of my friends, let's say 20 of us, 18 of us trained and 10 of us had pro fights. | ||
| We're talking myself, Shane Del Rosario, Robert Emerson, Josh Smith, Nick Ferrario. | ||
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Oh my god. | |
| You guys all went out looking for fights? | ||
| Justin Levins. | ||
| Imagine we would pull up to parties and just push over a lantern. | ||
| I would because I was the smallest one. | ||
| Or I'd go hit on someone's girlfriend or go steal CDs or something and then some big jock would be like, what's up? | ||
| And then, of course, I'm not the guy to hide. | ||
| I want to jump in front and talk some shit like, hey, yeah? | ||
| And then they just kind of see everybody behind me and kind of go, mm, like, oh, no. | ||
| And then all of a sudden, I'm getting... | ||
| Why would you want to be that guy? | ||
| I was... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I had something to prove. | ||
| I was tiny. | ||
| And I liked fist fighting. | ||
| It wasn't like I wanted to, you know... | ||
| So you weren't even thinking that you were disturbing people's private lives and interfering with their happiness? | ||
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I understood that. | |
| I was a dick when I was a kid. | ||
| I was a horrible child. | ||
| I literally was. | ||
| I spent most of my life being a horrible person doing a horrible thing. | ||
| What made you realize that you were? | ||
| That I was a bad person? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| 20-some-odd years of doing bad stuff, and then just trying to pull out of it, constantly falling back into it, trying to pull out of it, falling back into it, and now I have a kid, and now I have, for once in my life, I have a positive female influence as far as dating goes. | ||
| I mean, it helps me. | ||
| I've literally done everything possible. | ||
| I think I'm... | ||
| Only a fucking psychopath would want to do. | ||
| But I've done just about everything. | ||
| You know, I can't really think of besides, you know, having a man enter me. | ||
| The night is young. | ||
| Yeah, you know. | ||
| But I'm just saying, and I've just, you know, now I've got a kid and a career, and I'm just trying to settle down and be a good boy. | ||
| Yeah, it's kind of a wild past for a dude who's like a top-level professional athlete. | ||
| You know, people listening to this on the podcast, you know, without getting to know you better, I'm like, who the fuck is this guy? | ||
| He's one of the best flyweights on the planet. | ||
| I'm the best. | ||
| Look, without a doubt. | ||
| I just gotta prove it. | ||
| Look, dudes may, on any given night, in the world of high-level mixed martial arts, anybody can beat anybody. | ||
| And I thought you beat DJ in the first fight. | ||
| And then you guys... | ||
| Well, this is... | ||
| I think, and correct me if you disagree, I think that there has to be an element of the fight where when one person is doing something really dominant to the other person, that's gotta count for more. | ||
| When a guy's got a guy's back, like you got his back and you're pounding on him, that's got to count for more than just winning a round, you know, barely. | ||
| Like, if a guy wins a round with, like, strikes and... | ||
| With ten more strikes or five more strikes. | ||
| Or the next guy gets into a really good position and does significant damage, that's not the same point. | ||
| It's a different... | ||
| It doesn't make sense to me, the way things are now. | ||
| I think that, um... | ||
| Do you know Doc Hamilton's idea? | ||
| Do you like that idea? | ||
| It's a half-point idea. | ||
| Yeah, I like the half-point idea, actually. | ||
| It sounds nice, but we have people that have no business judging fights. | ||
| And literally, let's say, if I would have won that fight, I wouldn't have gone into some horrible spiral out of control for the next year of my UFC career, right after my very first fight. | ||
| Back to just being stupid and doing horrible things to myself. | ||
| Do you think you would have done that? | ||
| No, no, that's what I did. | ||
| Oh, you did after? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| That's why DJ kicked my ass the second time. | ||
| That's why Joe, I didn't do anything to Joe when I could have, I mean, I should have done a lot better. | ||
| Both guys said I could have finished him. | ||
| And then I just, I just, I had just a mental, bad marriage. | ||
| That's all it was. | ||
| I don't want to get into it. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| You're just in a bad place in your mind. | ||
| It was a really bad place. | ||
| And I wasn't performing. | ||
| And it's, we are all top level athletes. | ||
| But I know I'm better than these guys. | ||
| It's just, they were better that night. | ||
| They're better performers at this point in time, mentally. | ||
| It's what it comes down to, is the mental aspect. | ||
| And, you know, I'll get back. | ||
| Now I'm happy. | ||
| Now I'm finally in a good place. | ||
| I think, against Joe, I was getting there, but I wasn't quite there yet. | ||
| I mean, physically, I'll always be there. | ||
| You know, but it's just for me, mentally... | ||
| Even in this last fight, I did great. | ||
| You know, but I think I still have steps to get back to where I know I can be. | ||
| Like, when I became world champion... | ||
| It was just better. | ||
| I was just training harder and longer and faster. | ||
| Now I'm technically better, I think, but getting my head there is still a process, but I'm almost there, I guess. | ||
| So you feel like you're a work in progress? | ||
| Of course. | ||
| Always. | ||
| Always? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Do you feel like all this shit that's happened to you, all this craziness in your life, the mistakes that you've made... | ||
| Like, in some ways, surviving as many mistakes as you have, like, really creates a very fascinating person. | ||
| Because the type of person who has as many experiences as you, it's a magnetic thing to be around. | ||
| Because most people haven't had as many crazy, fucked up life experiences. | ||
| And have been, you know, professional cage fighters at the same time. | ||
| And now I'm trying to, now becoming a better person, for once. | ||
| I'm trying to be that better person. | ||
| I'm trying to... | ||
| Just show people. | ||
| This is what I've done. | ||
| I'm a walking example of what not to do. | ||
| Because most likely, you're not going to get back to where I am. | ||
| Most likely, you're either going to become just a normal human being or you're going to die. | ||
| You either calm down or you're going to die. | ||
| You either figure it out on your own or you're on a bad path. | ||
| I think that for some reason, I've been able to do that and make Get back to greatness and try and do something that no one really ever gets to do, and that's fighting the octagon. | ||
| There's very few percentage of people in the world that actually will ever be able to do this. | ||
| Especially your weight class, man. | ||
| That's a really fucking technical weight class. | ||
| DJ, he keeps getting better too. | ||
| Every time he fights, man. | ||
| His last fight with Moraga was incredible. | ||
| He's so good at changing where the fight takes place. | ||
| Whether it's taking you down, kicking you when you think he's going to punch you, punch you when you think he's going to kick you. | ||
| He is ever-evolving. | ||
| I make fun of him a lot. | ||
| I do. | ||
| You can't help it. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| I've got to chip my shoulder because I thought I'd beat him, and then he beat me up. | ||
| Plus, I think he's a nerd. | ||
| But he's just such a nice guy. | ||
| Is there something wrong with being a nerd? | ||
| No, nothing wrong with being a nerd. | ||
| I just can make fun of him because he beat me up on time. | ||
| Just let me do that. | ||
| But no, the guy is... | ||
| At first... | ||
| People gave him so much guff because he just wasn't performing, but now he's getting better. | ||
| He's getting to the point where the strides he's making are making it actually exciting. | ||
| And the adoring public is actually not being such douchebags. | ||
| They're learning the sport and realizing that. | ||
| That's art right there. | ||
| He's painting a fucking masterpiece. | ||
| Especially compared to these big guys. | ||
| Not to say anything against big guys, but we're doing a lot more than they are. | ||
| Yeah, well, it's definitely a different game. | ||
| The pace is faster. | ||
| It's more technical. | ||
| There's very little room for error. | ||
| You know, like he caught Moraga in that guillotine. | ||
| There was no room. | ||
| It's just like, just snatched it up. | ||
| You know, it's really kind of an interesting difference between watching the smallest weight class and watching the largest weight class. | ||
| The room for error. | ||
| It's incredible. | ||
| The gap becomes a lot bigger. | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| I mean, we've never seen a heavyweight that moves like a flyweight. | ||
| It doesn't exist. | ||
| It's not possible. | ||
| It doesn't exist. | ||
| It's a completely different experience watching the lighter weight classes. | ||
| It's like you guys are like hummingbirds. | ||
| You're moving at such a faster pace. | ||
| It's... | ||
| I mean, even just to fight at that pace, I mean, you've got to be on point, because if you're one step behind, I mean, it's just a constant bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop. | ||
| Well, DJ got caught by Moraga big time in that fourth round. | ||
| It's a perfect example of that. | ||
| I mean, DJ was not getting hit by anything. | ||
| He was just moving like a ghost. | ||
| He was in and out, and when you thought he was coming in, he was coming out. | ||
| I mean, it was a beautiful performance, and then boom. | ||
| Moraga hits hard. | ||
| He hits hard, you know? | ||
| Yeah, it's hard. | ||
| But even, the point is, like, anytime it can come. | ||
| Anytime a big one can clip you. | ||
| That's the craziest thing about the sport, isn't it? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| There's really nothing like that. | ||
| It's so rare in boxing for things to turn around out of nowhere with one shot. | ||
| It doesn't happen that often. | ||
| Like later, you know, in a fight, when you see it in MMA, that it can happen at any moment with those little gloves. | ||
| Yeah, it just slips right through. | ||
| That's what people really don't get, is that defense, even having, your defense has to be Perfect. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because those little gloves fit through the smallest holes, and they make those holes bigger. | ||
| It's not just like a boxing glove where it's a blunt object that's just gonna expand on impact, you know? | ||
| Yeah, there's much less give. | ||
| They slide through things, especially when they get all greased up, sweated up. | ||
| Like the Todd Duffy-Mike Russell fight is a fight that I always point to. | ||
| If you never saw that fight, if you've never seen that fight, it's a historical MMA fight. | ||
| They play that for young fighters. | ||
| They go, this is what can happen. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| This guy, motherfucker, looks like Superman. | ||
| Three rounds, wasn't it? | ||
| Yeah, three rounds of horrific beating. | ||
| Broke his arm. | ||
| Russell had a broken arm. | ||
| And then, with no... | ||
| Hint whatsoever that it was going to take place before this. | ||
| It wasn't like he had tagged him a couple of times. | ||
| It looked like he had him staggered a few times, like he's coming back. | ||
| He's bludgeoning him. | ||
| He's getting just destroyed. | ||
| And plus, Duffy is a physical specimen. | ||
| That guy's huge. | ||
| And Mike, not so much. | ||
| Yeah, Mike looks like what he is. | ||
| He's a Chicago cop. | ||
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Exactly. | |
| He's a tough fucking guy, no doubt about it. | ||
| Super tough fucking guy. | ||
| But that punch was like one of the quickest, it was out of nowhere. | ||
| It turned the whole fighter out. | ||
| Bang, he had him hurt and boom, he was out. | ||
| Like, what the hell? | ||
| Like, how is that even possible? | ||
| I mean, especially at that weight, you know, when you have two guys that are 250 pounds hitting each other that hard. | ||
| I mean, that is frightening. | ||
| Terrifying. | ||
| And I see where the heavyweight, you know, my roommate, Shandell Rosario, to see him move, and he's fast. | ||
| He's very fast for heavyweight. | ||
| He hasn't been able to really show how good he really is, but man, that guy can move, and it scares the crap out of him. | ||
| He can hold pads for me. | ||
| That's how fast he is. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| And I mean, I'll go for, you know, 30 minutes straight. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Yeah, he moves really well. | ||
| And he's at that weight of heavyweight where there's like a point of diminishing returns a lot of people believe. | ||
| There's an argument about it at least. | ||
| And that argument is about like 240. Like anything bigger than like King Velasquez, you get tired too easy. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Exactly. | ||
| But then for a while there, people thought it was like when Brock Lesnar first burst on the scene, people were like, oh shit, you gotta get way bigger, man. | ||
| That's when Frank Neff got way bigger. | ||
| Shane Carwin got way bigger. | ||
| Those dudes got way bigger. | ||
| They're like, fuck that dude. | ||
| If that's your game, if your game is tuck your face in between your shoulders and plow forward, if that's your game, man, you better be built like that guy. | ||
| Trying to just Hulk smash people. | ||
| I don't know, man. | ||
| It doesn't work out so well. | ||
| Yeah, well, when you watch a fight like Carwin vs. | ||
| Lesnar, which is an all-time classic fight, but you see how quick Carwin gasses out, to the point where he's dead. | ||
| Within one round? | ||
| Within one round. | ||
| Well, first, I think he said it was also that he was so fired up, so much adrenaline, he couldn't believe it. | ||
| He thought he was winning. | ||
| He thought the fight was over. | ||
| He thought he was going to win the fight right there. | ||
| And he was beating on him for a long time, so that's going to take not just 10 seconds if I thought I won, it was... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And he was sprinting. | ||
| I mean, it was two minutes of sprinting. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And literally, after it was over, Brock survived and he was done. | ||
| Like, he couldn't even get up out of his stool. | ||
| I was like, his whole body, like, completely shut down. | ||
| It's crazy to watch. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But you watch a body like that, that's when you go... | ||
| Okay, how big is too big? | ||
| Because that might be too big. | ||
| Someone's got to figure this out. | ||
| Like, scientifically. | ||
| Yeah, we've got to figure it out. | ||
| I don't know anything about CrossFit, but my roommate, he runs RV Sport for Ruka, and he went to go sponsor some guys and talk to some people and watch it. | ||
| I always thought CrossFit Guys were douchebags. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I just always hear him yelling and screaming. | ||
| He's like, no, dude, they're really positive. | ||
| They're cool guys. | ||
| And apparently the perfect weight for them is like 185, 200 pounds for what they do. | ||
| Which is, I don't even really know what they do. | ||
| Stupid weights, man. | ||
| Those guys do stupid weights. | ||
| I mean, I don't say stupid like dumb. | ||
| I mean like incredible, like holy shit. | ||
| I've seen this little guy who's like 165 pounds and he was doing cleans with, I think it was cleans with a 120 pound kettlebell. | ||
| He was not a big guy. | ||
| He was doing this clean press over and over again with this, it was more than a hundred pound kettlebell. | ||
| It was ridiculous, whatever the fuck it was. | ||
| And he was doing it for reps. | ||
| I was like, this is incredible. | ||
| I can, we got a 200, we have multiple stones. | ||
| We got a 125 pound stone at my strength conditioning place. | ||
| God damn. | ||
| You know, roll it up on my legs and I can pop, pop, but it's just a stone. | ||
| It's just, I think that's where I get my suplexes from. | ||
| I would think it probably would help you a lot, man. | ||
| But I mean, I can get up to two, I think it's 250, 240. I can get that up and do it maybe five times. | ||
| But I mean, it's getting it up onto your lap is the hardest part. | ||
| I can explode probably 400 pounds off my hips. | ||
| As a professional athlete, isn't it fascinating to see how much things have changed as far as the way they train athletes? | ||
| The ideas behind it. | ||
| If you go back, like if you're a student of the game and you go back just like 20, 30 years, like Angelo Dundee used to tell fighters to not lift weights. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They used to tell him to not lift weights and it was going to slow you down. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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It's hilarious. | |
| They didn't know. | ||
| They didn't understand. | ||
| They didn't know. | ||
| Well, it does slow you down in that if you lift weights and you're sore, the next day you're going to be slower. | ||
| And then the coach is like, ah, it's slowing you down. | ||
| But then Mackie Shillstone comes along and trains Evander Holyfield to go up to heavyweight. | ||
| And all of a sudden, he's like a real heavyweight. | ||
| He was like 205 or something like that. | ||
| Like, not too big. | ||
| No, he was big enough. | ||
| But got swole! | ||
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Yeah. | |
| He got fucking swole! | ||
| He was jacked. | ||
| Oh my god, was he jacked. | ||
| And he was what, 40? | ||
| Holyfield? | ||
| How old was he when he went up to heavyweight? | ||
| He started out as a cruiserweight, right? | ||
| Because he fought Dwight Cahwee. | ||
| That was like a 195, right? | ||
| That's cruiserweight. | ||
| And then when he went up to heavyweight... | ||
| Was it Mackie Shilstone worked with him? | ||
| It did, right? | ||
| Because he worked with... | ||
| I'm not sure. | ||
| He worked with Spinks, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He worked with Michael Spinks when he was bulking Spinks up to be a heavyweight to fight Tyson and Larry Holmes. | ||
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That worked that well. | |
| That was when he burst into the scene. | ||
| He was like one of those first guys that they were realizing back in the day, like, we've got to do things a little different here. | ||
| We can't just do curls. | ||
| Well... | ||
| Yes. | ||
| I mean, that guy's in San Clemente. | ||
| I've never had a run-in with him, but all my friends have and all my coaches. | ||
| Apparently, he's just very set in his ways, I guess we'll say. | ||
| But, I mean, he was an originator of so much crazy stuff. | ||
| I mean, look at his son. | ||
| I mean, that didn't turn out like it should have. | ||
| Well, his son was under a tremendous... | ||
| For people who don't know the whole story, I don't know his son's name because I'm not a football fan. | ||
| What is his son's name? | ||
| Um... | ||
| Todd? | ||
| Todd Marinovich? | ||
| Todd Marinovich. | ||
| There's a good documentary on it. | ||
| And Marinovich is like a crazy strength and fitness guy. | ||
| He's the guy who got B.J. Penn in the best shape of his life. | ||
| When B.J. Penn fought Diego Sanchez and when he fought Sean Penn, I think those are the two times Sean Penn. | ||
| Sean Shirk. | ||
| Jesus Christ. | ||
| Right after I said it, I'm like, yeah, that's right. | ||
| What? | ||
| He fought Sean Chirk, and he fought Diego, and I think that BJ was one of the best fighters I've ever seen in my life. | ||
| That's my... | ||
| That's elite BJ. Yeah, that's the guy I've always looked up to the most, because he was old school, and people... | ||
| He made Joe Stevenson cry. | ||
| He beat a man up so bad that he was crying in the fucking corner. | ||
| BJ Penn was a motherfucker, man, for a long time. | ||
| Yeah, that's the kind of fighter I want to get myself to because when people need to fear people, you know, I want to be fucking feared because then people, you know, you beat them up and they cry in the corner. | ||
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That's... | |
| That makes me feel great. | ||
| That's the path you're on. | ||
| You're on the path to excellence. | ||
| People fear the scariest, most excellent fighters. | ||
| There's no really disguising what the sport's about. | ||
| The sport's about victory. | ||
| It's about beating the other man. | ||
| It's about imposing your martial arts skills. | ||
| You really can't get great at that and not be scary as fuck. | ||
| It's part of the program. | ||
| It brings out the most primal... | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Urges in us that I want to kill something and eat it with my bare hands. | ||
| I want to just be King Stink. | ||
| I want to be the head monkey. | ||
| I do want to be able to do that. | ||
| Do you think you have that extra bad from growing up small? | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Because I always wanted to prove myself. | ||
| My parents, especially my mom, I think my dad really cared. | ||
| Because he always knew I could do it. | ||
| My mom wanted to show everybody else that I do every single sport and you're good at it. | ||
| Oh, wow. | ||
| Because I was good at everything. | ||
| How much did you weigh when you were in high school? | ||
| I wrestled 103, 103, 112, and 119. But I got into high school at 100 pounds. | ||
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Wow. | |
| But then again, I've been doing Kung Fu Sansu my whole life. | ||
| I had a black belt in that. | ||
| Which, you don't compete. | ||
| I learned how to... | ||
| And I was the... | ||
| Bill Egan was my Sifu. | ||
| I was his protege. | ||
| And he's like, I'm going to teach you things that I don't teach other kids. | ||
| You have this red zone around you. | ||
| If they get in within arm's length of you, they're a problem. | ||
| You need to hit them. | ||
| I got, you know, in a threatening manner. | ||
| And I got, you know, I would punch kids in the throat, elbows. | ||
| You know, I learned arm bar kind of stuff back then. | ||
| Jump kids, you know, in the face, the groin. | ||
| Like, I got kicked out of all the best private schools. | ||
| So it was always people fucking with you and you defending yourself against assholes? | ||
| Or was you being an asshole sometimes? | ||
| A lot of the time, it started out as me wanting to beat up the bullies. | ||
| That's how it turned into me being like, you know what? | ||
| Fuck those guys. | ||
| I want to beat up every bully I see. | ||
| And I did it. | ||
| I got kicked out of my high school one year for beating up some cholo for picking on my friend's mentally handicapped cousin. | ||
| Down syndrome. | ||
| And I beat the shit out of the kid. | ||
| What kind of a world is it where you get in trouble for that? | ||
| What happened was I beat him up and then I felt someone grab me. | ||
| So, of course, I thought it was one of his friends. | ||
| And I turned around and swept the person on the ground and it was one of the proctors, one of the female proctors. | ||
| And I ran away. | ||
| Oh, you swept her. | ||
| Oh, Jesus. | ||
| Karate Kid style? | ||
| Sweep the leg? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I just turned around and like... | ||
| She grabbed me from one side and I put my arm out on the chest and just swept the leg. | ||
| That's so dangerous to grab someone in the middle of a fight and she probably wouldn't even think that because she's probably not a violent person. | ||
| Yeah, she was super nice. | ||
| I had to be pulled out of school. | ||
| My coach pulled me out of school three out of the four years from freshman, sophomore, junior year because after wrestling season I would just... | ||
| So you needed the discipline of wrestling to keep you in check? | ||
| Oh yeah, that's the only... | ||
| I owe my life To a small group of people in Reza, but my old wrestling coach is one of them. | ||
| I mean, that guy saved me. | ||
| Yeah, isn't it... | ||
| It's an amazing thing how many people have been saved by the diversity that comes from something like that. | ||
| Whether it's boxing, or MMA, or wrestling, or jiu-jitsu. | ||
| For me, it was taekwondo. | ||
| I needed something. | ||
| I needed some form of discipline. | ||
| Something that I can... | ||
| I enjoy, and I can attack it, and I can get really good at it, and it gives me a calmness. | ||
| Because most boys, people who are not boys don't remember it, I guess, when they get older, or they forget because they have problems of their own, they don't want to deal with it. | ||
| But when you're like 15, 16 years old, Fucking crazy. | ||
| Your body's bouncing around. | ||
| Hormones are flying through your system. | ||
| Your dick is a murderer. | ||
| Your dick is just hard all the time. | ||
| And you're crazy. | ||
| And you're basically almost a man. | ||
| And you're like thinking, I'm kind of fucking almost a man. | ||
| And I was out beating up guys that were in college. | ||
| So bad. | ||
| So I thought I was fucking super cool. | ||
| I was out stealing my dad's Supras, which we built. | ||
| I had a built Supra or a car, and I would steal those. | ||
| And he knows, so whatever. | ||
| I was living in South Orange County and just getting away with whatever I wanted. | ||
| I was too fast for them. | ||
| And they were going through their own stuff. | ||
| So, of course, I just was off on my own, just being crazy. | ||
| I started smoking weed when I was eight years old. | ||
| That's a good time start. | ||
| Yeah, it's not six. | ||
| Eight sounded good. | ||
| And it wasn't like it was a bad influence. | ||
| It just happened. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| Eight years old, you're smoking weed. | ||
| God damn, that's so crazy. | ||
| I'd go to school and kids would be like, oh my god, my dad let me have a sip of beer. | ||
| And I was like, I drank a 40 and took four foot bong rips all the weekend. | ||
| Oh my god, how old were you? | ||
| You know, going through, like, middle school or whatever, and kids just, I mean, didn't understand. | ||
| I mean, I'd be at private school, and I wouldn't, I never, you know, I was always, you know, you don't talk about stuff like that, especially if you don't want to get in trouble. | ||
| So, of course, I always kept my mouth shut. | ||
| But, you know, I was a degenerate at a young age. | ||
| You know, it was just in me to just, I wanted to be the bad guy. | ||
| I wanted to have that fun. | ||
| And where do you think that came from? | ||
| When you think about it now, when you're trying to be a calm guy, and you have I had a great upbringing. | ||
| Really? | ||
| That's hilarious. | ||
| I did this all to myself. | ||
| My parents are awesome people. | ||
| Sure, they went through a divorce, but that doesn't turn... | ||
| Let me stop you right there, because I think it's really difficult... | ||
| To understand or underestimate the negative impact that being bullied can have on a person. | ||
| It's huge. | ||
| And people say that it's not like being molested or abused. | ||
| And I say bullshit. | ||
| I say it's probably pretty close to a lot of guys. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I mean, it might not be the physical humiliation of someone forcing you to have sex, but the physical intimidation aspect of it is terrifying, and it changes your perception of reality when you're around that person. | ||
| There's constant danger. | ||
| You're going to get swatted, you're going to get pushed, you're going to get compromised. | ||
| It's a terrible, terrible thing. | ||
| And it can fuck with people, and it can turn people into depressed people who want to kill themselves because of that, because they can't take the pain anymore. | ||
| And people don't realize it when they're doing it, I don't think. | ||
| I think, you know, they're probably bullied at home, or, you know, someone bullied them, and, you know, they're insecure, or they're beaten, or whatever the fuck it is, or they go to school, and they just cunt out on some little kid. | ||
| But, man, I've seen it have devastating impacts on people. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| I mean, you see it in high school, and what I always did in high school was I would pick on the bullies or pick on the cool kids, because, you know, the class president types, I just liked talking shit, too. | ||
| It was fun. | ||
| Yeah, I always had a big mouth. | ||
| I got pretty lucky with not getting the fuck beating out of me in high school. | ||
| Yeah, well, see, the only time I ever got really beat up, I think, in Street Fights was... | ||
| Because, obviously, I pick my battles. | ||
| I know, you know, I know I can beat that guy up. | ||
| I'm small, you know, but, like, I would always try and test it, but I got, you know, we used to go as groups, me and my friends, we would go beat up a bunch of skinheads in the next neighboring town, like, all the time. | ||
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Right. | |
| I got booted, you know, booted by those guys twice at Del Taco and went to the house party. | ||
| But, you know, it's, you get beat up, I get beat up on national TV now, and it's not that bad. | ||
| But, I mean, when you're, Getting beat up, I mean, especially as a kid, getting beat up by a bully, by someone in front of other people. | ||
| It's humiliating. | ||
| It's horrible. | ||
| And that's why I would always try and stick up for the kids getting bullied. | ||
| And it's also at a time in your life when you're the most vulnerable. | ||
| It's really hard for you to really understand what's going on in life. | ||
| And, you know, people make a lot of terrible mistakes at those young ages. | ||
| And I think one of them is actually being a bully. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I mean, I think that kind of karma, like pushing out in that direction. | ||
| You're a 10-year-old asshole. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I want to punch you in the face. | ||
| Yeah, I started getting into martial arts just because I was scared. | ||
| I just wanted people to be scared of me. | ||
| I didn't want to do anything. | ||
| I didn't want to start fights. | ||
| I just wanted everybody to be scared of me. | ||
| I wanted to be Wolverine. | ||
| You got the look. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Yeah, it's a weird thing, but the interesting aspect of it is that I'm a huge MMA fan, and I don't think you have MMA if you don't have bullies. | ||
| True. | ||
| It's really kind of fucked up, but one of the things... | ||
| I mean, it's not everybody, but goddamn a lot of them have been bullied. | ||
| Like, I don't know if Jon Jones has been bullied, but I do know that Jon Jones has a bigger brother, and they used to go at it in the house all the time. | ||
| So, like, it's not bullied because it's not dangerous. | ||
| I mean, it's like your brother, but it's still, like, you gotta fight all the time. | ||
| Oh, my brother used to beat the crap out of me. | ||
| My oldest brother... | ||
| Tom, he was kind of a dick. | ||
| He was a bully. | ||
| But he's like 15 years older than me. | ||
| My brother Brad, who fought professionally before there was anything, like I told you, he fought in a fan and stuff. | ||
| And he was 5-1 or 6-1. | ||
| You said we trained at 10th Planet? | ||
| Yeah, I trained with Eddie at 10th and you at 10th. | ||
| But we were at Next Generation and When we would get mad at each other, I mean, we would be at the gym. | ||
| And I'm sure he never probably really let me have it, but he used to beat the crap out of me. | ||
| I was 15 getting beat up by grown men, by the Chris Brennans and the Adam Linds and my brother and Jeremy. | ||
| It sucked, man. | ||
| That fucking sucks. | ||
| Yeah, it was horrible. | ||
| But it made me the fighter I am now. | ||
| Yeah, but that's almost, I mean, I'm not encouraging bullies in any stretch of the imagination, but George St. Pierre was bullied. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The greatest fighter of all time. | ||
| He's one of the all-time greats. | ||
| Yeah, by far. | ||
| I don't know about Anderson Silva, but I would like to know. | ||
| I wonder whether or not he was bullied. | ||
| With a voice like that, he probably got bullied. | ||
| I mean, he for sure was in a dangerous area growing up. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It seems like those days, like, it's funny just, like, watching those old fights and those shoot-the-box guys would all come in like a gang. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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That's exactly what it was. | |
| They were the wildest motherfuckers. | ||
| I mean, fighting in, like, backyards. | ||
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Oh, yeah. | |
| Going from grass to concrete to stucco wall. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Just wearing tiny Speedos. | ||
| Like, when you go, like, you look at the early days of Pride and you see, like, Vanderlei and Shogun and Ninja... | ||
| Like, goddamn, they were the scariest motherfuckers. | ||
| Wild-ass Brazilian dudes. | ||
| Trying to step on your face. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| And there's not a drug test to be had, son. | ||
| They were pretty open about it back then. | ||
| I mean, I've heard things from, you know, people who were there. | ||
| They were like, hey, like, guys, guess what? | ||
| Like, we don't test for steroids. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, they tell you to get on them, too. | ||
| I had a friend who was 170 and they wanted him to go to 185. Give your struts. | ||
| Give your struts. | ||
| They were just ready to go. | ||
| They were just going gangster. | ||
| In a lot of ways, I was really happy that Pride existed and that it was as wild as it was because they put together shit that no one would ever sanction. | ||
| Like Minotauro versus Bob Sapp. | ||
| When Bob Sapp was 370 plus... | ||
| People don't realize that that's real. | ||
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He was 370 fucking pounds. | |
| Hongman Choi. | ||
| Bringing these oddities out. | ||
| What was the big fat black guy from Brazil? | ||
| Zuluino or whatever? | ||
| Yes! | ||
| He could fight, but they just see these... | ||
| Well, he was Zulu's son. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The Japanese see things differently. | ||
| They just see entertainment. | ||
| They see a black guy and they're like, oh, he's got to be entertaining. | ||
| That's why he's here. | ||
| You get Quentin. | ||
| They love him over there. | ||
| Well, Quentin also had some sensational fights, man. | ||
| I'm just saying, the Japanese, they have the niche that they like and they just... | ||
| Make it the weirdest, craziest shit they can. | ||
| Yeah, anybody who complains about Quentin Rampage Jackson, you are not an MMA fan. | ||
| If you complain about Rampage, I don't care where he's at now, I don't care whatever, stop. | ||
| Go back and watch those pride fights and shut the fuck up. | ||
| He was a badass. | ||
| His fight with Kevin Randleman, incredible fight. | ||
| His fight with Arona is one of the highlight all-time slams in the history of MMA. That's when he was with my coach, Oyama. | ||
| Ah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Yeah, Rampage was a beast, man. | ||
| Oyama had him throwing more leg kicks. | ||
| He had him doing a lot of different things than he's doing. | ||
| He became like a real power puncher after a while. | ||
| Look, Rampage can still knock out anyone in the world. | ||
| If he catches anyone in the world, their fucks will. | ||
| He's going to sleep. | ||
| He has hammers. | ||
| That right hook that he hit Chuck Liddell with, I'll never forget that punch. | ||
| I think Chuck threw a left, and he came over the top of the right. | ||
| Whatever it was, I think Chuck was pawing with his jab maybe, he was trying to set up the right, whatever it was. | ||
| Rampage hit him with either, I think it was a counter right hook. | ||
| Babe, I know they were circling, I can see the camera here now. | ||
| God, I barely remember. | ||
| Chuck's one of my best friends, so that's, it's ingrained in my brain, you know, but see, I think they're circling left. | ||
| And then of course, you know, something, he threw that right hook and just boom. | ||
| That was, Rampage had that ridiculous one-punch power that Vanderlei fights, another example. | ||
| God damn, he uncorked that left hook on the button! | ||
| You're going nine-nine. | ||
| You know, nobody had ever done, I mean... | ||
| Krokop, he hit him a gang of times before he flatlined him. | ||
| He was lighting Vanderlei up in that fight. | ||
| Because the first time they fought, it was an incredible fight, but Krokop just really wasn't good on the ground yet. | ||
| His takedown defense wasn't there. | ||
| Very little. | ||
| Very little. | ||
| And they had a strange rules fight, where it was like, you could only stay on the ground for a little bit of time. | ||
| It was like a minute or some short period. | ||
| Some short period. | ||
| So Krokop would just lock him up in a guard and try to hang on. | ||
| I don't know what rules they had. | ||
| It was a weird rule thing. | ||
| It was pride. | ||
| But then in the second fight, Krokop had had a few MMA fights and he got his timing down. | ||
| And that was when Krokop was Krokop, man. | ||
| He was dangerous. | ||
| That was a scary man. | ||
| Again, one of the scariest tools to ever exist in MMA that he knocked out multiple people with. | ||
| And the thing about Krokop is I feel like UFC fans, again, don't appreciate the majesty that was Krokop in his prime. | ||
| We got him after a long career, a hard career against Fedor and against Josh Barnett. | ||
| I mean, he fought some fucking battles. | ||
| So by the time we got him in the UFC, he had been in quite a few real, real wars. | ||
| And think of all the heavyweight kickboxing fights he had. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| He fought a lot of K-1 fights against the top guys. | ||
| High-level, high-level guys. | ||
| That Mark Hunt fight. | ||
| It's a classic one, man. | ||
| Classic. | ||
| They had some wars in K-1, man. | ||
| People had... | ||
| I mean, he was in the mix with some of the best fighters in the world over there. | ||
| Yeah, you got, you know, you got the Bunjowski and Small Alistair, Peter Ayrts, you know, the Tyrone Spong. | ||
| The Dutch group of kickboxers. | ||
| The heavyweights are... | ||
| I mean, and these guys have like 100 heavyweight fights. | ||
| 200 heavyweight fights. | ||
| I mean, this is insane. | ||
| I mean, someone my size, okay, you have 200 Thai fights in Thailand. | ||
| It's still pretty gnarly. | ||
| It's more than gnarly. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| But, I mean, double the size and almost the same amount of fights. | ||
| I mean, that's just... | ||
| That's completely insane. | ||
| Yeah, it's incredible. | ||
| I mean, dude had 29 kickboxing fights. | ||
| On record. | ||
| On record. | ||
| And then 41 MMA fights. | ||
| God damn! | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He had some great fucking K1 fights too, man. | ||
| Really fun. | ||
| See, he was one of the best guys to come over, even though he wasn't one of the best K1 guys. | ||
| He was just below the elite of the elite. | ||
| Just below the Grand Prix winners. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| He did win a Grand Prix recently, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It was the European one or something? | ||
| Yeah, something like that. | ||
| I'll find out and give him the credit he deserves. | ||
| But when he came over, he had the one thing that a lot of people didn't have. | ||
| Ridiculous speed and explosion. | ||
| And he had, like, I think he had a karate background, right? | ||
| Is that correct? | ||
| When he first started? | ||
| Yeah, I think he started, like, I'm sure that was a long, long time ago. | ||
| Didn't he like the Jean-Claude Van Damme movies or something like that and learn how to kick that way? | ||
| Something crazy like that, I believe. | ||
| I believe that that's how it got started. | ||
| I think he was a Jean-Claude Van Damme fan and then got into karate from that. | ||
| But his fucking kicks are so unusual. | ||
| The angle, the speed. | ||
| The speed is ridiculous. | ||
| He's got horse legs. | ||
| Those things are huge. | ||
| Of course, those kicking you in the face is going to not feel good. | ||
| And he, again, I mean, it was like, he had that weight. | ||
| It was like, you know, 230-ish, 228. He said, yeah, 228 is what he, like, the average that he weighed when he was in his prime. | ||
| And it was just scary fast. | ||
| When he knocked out Bob Sapp, Bob Sapp was 3-fucking-70, and Mirko Krokop, no, he right-handed him, or left-handed him, straight left to the eye socket, remember? | ||
| Oh, and broke his eye, okay, and then he... | ||
| Yeah, he broke his eye socket. | ||
| I think he kicked him before that. | ||
| I remember a kick to the body that Bob Sapp did. | ||
| See if you can find that. | ||
| See if you can find Cro Cop vs. | ||
| Bob Sapp. | ||
| Because that was one of Cro Cop's best fights. | ||
| And it was a kickboxing fight, too. | ||
| That was back when this was a guy, Bob Sapp, who had beaten Ernesto Hoost, who most people think was the greatest ever. | ||
| Or one of the top ten guys ever, for sure. | ||
| I shouldn't say the greatest ever. | ||
| Even Dutch guys say it. | ||
| But it's kind of between him... | ||
| When he's in his prime or like Rob Kamen or, of course, Ramon Deckers. | ||
| But Deckers gets the most credit because he fought the lightest guys. | ||
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| I read that. | ||
| Ramon Deckers is one of my idols. | ||
| Look at this shit, dude. | ||
| This is Bob Sapp versus Mirko Krokop. | ||
| Mirko is literally almost 200 pounds lighter than him. | ||
| He's actually a hundred, he's probably, no bullshit, 150 pounds lighter than him. | ||
| Easily. | ||
| Which is incredible. | ||
| And I mean, he just sucks, man. | ||
| And he's chasing Crow Cop around and he gets a hold of him and he's trying to rabbit punch him, he's trying to dirty box him. | ||
| He just wants to club you to death. | ||
| He's that big, he just has to lay one on you and you're done. | ||
| But Mirko was strong enough and fast enough to keep him off, which is the difference between his style and Ernesto Hust. | ||
| Ernesto Hust is the better kickboxer technically than Mirko. | ||
| What makes Mirko so dangerous in MMA is that he's explosive and it'll dart in and blast you. | ||
| He'll take a chance and do something wild where a guy like... | ||
| He'll teach you something hard. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Some ridiculous shit. | ||
| Not just a feeler. | ||
| I mean, he wants to... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He will go after you. | ||
| Oh, I forgot he got ball clipped. | ||
| He got ball clipped, it looks like. | ||
| Something happened there. | ||
| Very rarely do you get pokes in pride, too. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| That's another interesting thing. | ||
| This is actually a kickboxing belt. | ||
| Those are those fat fingers on. | ||
| Yeah, fat fingers, and apparently the way it's designed, it makes you curl your hand more, keep it curled, whereas the UFC ones, do you feel that the UFC ones make your hand straighten out? | ||
| I never thought about it. | ||
| I'll have to check that out next time. | ||
| Well, they say that the Pride ones were curved. | ||
| They had a curve to them. | ||
| Yeah, they were actually bent curved where the UFC ones were straight. | ||
| Yeah, and especially as a fight goes on, you relax your hands maybe a little bit. | ||
| That would be a time where the Pride one would be better because it would keep them kind of curved. | ||
| That makes sense. | ||
| Oh, so he hit them with a body shot there? | ||
| Back that up. | ||
| I'm talking too much. | ||
| People who are listening to this and watching this are getting two totally different experiences. | ||
| Because I don't even know who has the... | ||
| See, there's the body shot. | ||
| Boom! | ||
| Left kick to the body and straight left to the face. | ||
| Marco Krokop was a fucking savage back then, man. | ||
| He was one of the most dangerous guys as far as sniper strikers. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And then came into MMA and fought in Pride. | ||
| Holy shit, were those some great fights. | ||
| His knockouts in Pride are some of the all-time greatest highlight reel head kick knockouts. | ||
| A series of them. | ||
| It's the same thing. | ||
| Yeah, Igor Vovchashkin, boom! | ||
| Alexander Millianenko, boom! | ||
| Just blasting dudes with that head kick. | ||
| That Russian dude, Dos Karos, he came in with the Luta Libre mask on, head kick, boom! | ||
| Yeah, he was trained with Marco Huas for that fight, and I remember thinking, like, dude, this guy's gonna, duh. | ||
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| Because, you know, Marco was in our area, and I had some friends that trained over there, and I remember just, like, I would stop in there every once in a while, and I was just like, man, this guy might actually die in this one. | ||
| Yeah, he was amazing, man. | ||
| Marco, at that level, that's, like, when he was at his very best. | ||
| It was either before he was challenging Fedor or right after. | ||
| It was somewhere in that area where it was him chasing after Fedor. | ||
| Couldn't quite beat that guy. | ||
| That guy was the best at that time. | ||
| Still one of my all-time favorites. | ||
| Especially now that you've had a chance to look at his career in perspective, because he's decided to step back. | ||
| I've been watching some of his old fights. | ||
| I've watched Best of Pride. | ||
| And you watch some of the crazy ones. | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| He was a risk-taking motherfucker, man. | ||
| As a heavyweight champ, a risk-taking motherfucker. | ||
| He wanted to go in there and he wanted to finish you. | ||
| No matter what. | ||
| And he wanted to just violently crush you. | ||
| It just seemed like he had that super killer instinct that, I mean, is rare. | ||
| He was incredible. | ||
| He was so aggressive and explosive and yet unassuming. | ||
| It was the weirdest thing. | ||
| 230 pounds, 220 pounds of not buff. | ||
| At all. | ||
| Almost like a chubby kid. | ||
| Yeah, not even a little buff. | ||
| And just like, I mean, he could move. | ||
| That guy was fast and he hit like a brick on the end of his hand. | ||
| And it was crazy because he really started off as a grappler. | ||
| But somewhere along the line, he became one of the scariest strikers in MMA. And one of the guys who was the most successful striking. | ||
| His fight with Krokop was basically a kickboxing fight. | ||
| Yeah, they stood the whole time. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, there was a few exchanges on the ground where he was inside of Krokop's guard, but for the most part, it was a kickboxing bout that he won. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| He outstruck Krokop. | ||
| And he just kept Krokop backing up. | ||
| He kept coming forward, and he's always dangerous. | ||
| And there was fights where he had to come back, too, like the fight against Fujita, where he got clipped. | ||
| Remember that fight? | ||
| He did the chicken dance. | ||
| Yeah, he did the chicken dance. | ||
| And then, you know, 15 seconds later, Fujita's out. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Ran him and slammed him and then literally just swept him and torqued his arm. | ||
| That Kimura, that reverse arm bar, whatever it is, that was beautiful. | ||
| And it was like the seconds after getting slammed on his head in one of the most ridiculous suplexes ever attempted in MMA. Yeah. | ||
| And Randeman, if you never saw Randeman fight, Randeman was probably the biggest freak athlete to ever get into MMA. I know that's like a big statement. | ||
| No, that guy is a ball of... | ||
| Of alpha. | ||
| Of alpha, yeah. | ||
| He is just... | ||
| He could do things physically. | ||
| Like the Hulk. | ||
| Like the Hulk. | ||
| If the Hulk was real. | ||
| That's him. | ||
| He would go into the octagon before fights and do this thing where he would jump up in the air just to kind of freak you out. | ||
| And he would literally jump to the top of the octagon. | ||
| It was one of the weirdest things you've ever seen in your life. | ||
| You couldn't believe a human could jump that high. | ||
| He's not that tall, but wide and just long. | ||
| Is he 5'11 or 6 feet tall maybe? | ||
| 5'11 I'd say. | ||
| And unbelievably muscular in his prime. | ||
| I mean he was a superhero. | ||
| He had a 26 inch waist. | ||
| He looked like Wolverine. | ||
| Like if Wolverine was a real person, he had that build. | ||
| And god damn that motherfucker could move. | ||
| Renneman would take guys down and take guys down with these powered doubles, like launch them through the air like he was launching hundreds of pounds. | ||
| You know those big looping set up hooks that he would throw like he knocked a crook up with? | ||
| He jumped from halfway across the ring. | ||
| Ridiculous. | ||
| Explosiveness, athleticism, power, speed, off the charts. | ||
| But it seemed like there was only bursts where he really applied himself. | ||
| That's one of the curses it seems like for these ultra, ultra talented guys. | ||
| It's like almost it comes too easy. | ||
| And it's almost like guys that have to, I've always said like if you want to learn technique, like if anybody's like trying to learn jujitsu, learn from a light guy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Learn from a guy who has to struggle and really learn how to do it correctly. | ||
| You learn from some Kevin Reneman type cat, like that guy can do shit you can't do, man. | ||
| He's still getting around that. | ||
| He's not going to do what he's doing. | ||
| He's just going to can opener you all day. | ||
| Yeah, let's just forget that. | ||
| We've got to figure out another way to approach this. | ||
| Because you guys are dealing with two different kinds of vehicles. | ||
| That guy's got a fucking Ferrari. | ||
| He can do crazy shit. | ||
| You can't do that. | ||
| You've got to think. | ||
| Even if Ford Aspire aren't going to... | ||
| It's weird that a lot of those guys that are super ultra-talented, for whatever reason, they don't achieve the same results that a lot of the guys that are almost... | ||
| It's an uphill battle the entire way. | ||
| But along the way, they develop these incredible skills. | ||
| A perfect example of a guy who had very few physical gifts and didn't even take care of his health was Jeremy Horn. | ||
| You know, Jeremy Horn would eat shitty ass food. | ||
| He was never yoked. | ||
| He didn't lift a weight in his life. | ||
| He had, what, 200 fights or something? | ||
| Fucking goddamn Jeremy Horn had a lot of fights. | ||
| And he very rarely got hurt. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Very rarely. | ||
| He got chucked. | ||
| The chuck fight was like the only fight where he got hurt. | ||
| That was a bludgeoning. | ||
| That was sad. | ||
| It was a bludgeoning. | ||
| It was a different chuck. | ||
| It was a different chuck and Jeremy didn't belong in that weight class. | ||
| There was already a weight class below. | ||
| He should have been competing at 85. It was, I think, a money thing. | ||
| It was a hype thing, you know? | ||
| Well, yeah, it was like Chuck's first loss. | ||
| It was a fun fight. | ||
| The first fight was interesting because Jeremy caught Chuck with an arm triangle from the bottom and put him to sleep, which never happens. | ||
| It's so rare. | ||
| And if you know how fucking strong Chuck Liddell is, that's when that becomes really incredible. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because Chuck is a fucking savage. | ||
| He's a very big, very strong man. | ||
| People don't know. | ||
| In person, I saw some of his greatest victories, like the Tito fights and the Babalu fights. | ||
| You can think of so many of them. | ||
| The Randleman fight, another great fight. | ||
| Chuck had a way of going after dudes. | ||
| The first Tito knockout, that fucking series of... | ||
| Hammers he threw. | ||
| He was a terrifying guy, man. | ||
| Terrifying. | ||
| Especially for Tito that time, because Tito knew... | ||
| Yeah, it was coming. | ||
| Yeah, Tito knew it was coming. | ||
| He knew that it was only going to get worse with no pads on. | ||
| And Tito doesn't like getting hit. | ||
| He's just that kind of guy who... | ||
| Break under that kind of pressure. | ||
| I think most people will, but he just wilted pretty bad. | ||
| Well, it was just a terrible matchup for him at that time, and I think Tito was already having some back problems. | ||
| I think Tito's back had been fucking with him for a while. | ||
| I mean, you gotta think, he had a real powerful style. | ||
| Tito had this really aggressive attacking style. | ||
| I'm sure if he fought the way he fought, and if he trained for those kind of fights, I bet his training was every bit as fucking brutal, and that's an incredible amount of punishment for your body to take. | ||
| My coach is the one who had him there. | ||
| And he just... | ||
| I mean, that guy trained his ass off from what my coach says. | ||
| Colin Yama? | ||
| Yeah, he... | ||
| Colin says that... | ||
| Colin's been around forever. | ||
| Yeah, he's super old school. | ||
| Old school, respect. | ||
| Colin Yama, respect. | ||
| We got an old school team, man. | ||
| Fuck yeah, you do. | ||
| I mean, to go from like Tito's early days, you know? | ||
| That dude went hard, man. | ||
| And I'll tell you what, I don't think Tito Ortiz gets enough respect. | ||
| No, he doesn't. | ||
| Because people realize that during his era, he was incredibly dominant. | ||
| Even if he lost to Chuck Liddell or whoever he lost to, during Tito's era, when he was on top, when he beat Evan Tanner, when he slammed him and KO'd him, rest in peace Evan Tanner. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| When, you know, when he beat Ken Shamrock, and granted, these are not the best fighters in the world at the time. | ||
| Ken had already had a long career and had a lot of damage, and his ACLs were fucked up, you know. | ||
| But he, it doesn't matter. | ||
| Tito was fucking dominant back then. | ||
| When he would get his hands on you, he was so strong. | ||
| So strong. | ||
| Get you down with, you know, with clean wrestling, and then him, like, maybe he didn't punch that hard on the feet, but when he got on top of you... | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Oh, man, he was putting... | ||
| All of his weight into the elbows, all of his weight into the punches, and he was just on point with that. | ||
| In my opinion, he's like a pioneer of ground and pound inside the guard. | ||
| Definitely. | ||
| Because he's one of the best at doing it inside the guard. | ||
| Everybody I say, if I see someone doing a ground and pound thing in the guard, I always think, well, this guy would do better if he would get out of this position. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Not Tito. | ||
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| Tito would fucking smash guys from inside their guard. | ||
| And I think we learned a lot about horsepower in those fights. | ||
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| That if you've got that kind of horsepower, there's certain... | ||
| Like, most dudes have a 320 horsepower engine. | ||
| And, you know, if you're in there with a dude like Tito, Tito's got a 500 horsepower engine, okay? | ||
| And you're not going to hold onto him with your legs. | ||
| Yeah, it's not. | ||
| Your sweaty-ass, tired legs are not going to keep that animal from fucking slamming elbows into your face. | ||
| But it's just... | ||
| That was his time. | ||
| And everybody's time... | ||
| Is very limited in that sport. | ||
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Of course. | |
| We all have a very limited shelf life. | ||
| We're going to go bad. | ||
| Even Chuck, who was one of the most durable guys ever. | ||
| At a certain point in time, he had to be like, you know what, we're gone. | ||
| Your body gives out, that button gets pushed too much, whatever it is. | ||
| One day, most of us want to go out on our shield, so that's just how it ends. | ||
| It's not always pretty. | ||
| You know, it's interesting, the volume of strikes that you guys deal with in the flyweight division, it's got to be higher than, by far, than any other division, right? | ||
| Has anybody ever compiled it and tried to see what the volume of strikes is? | ||
| That's a good... | ||
| Someone do that on the UG. Someone figure it out. | ||
| Someone probably already has. | ||
| They're like, I'm on it! | ||
| Crunching numbers, I got the data! | ||
| There's probably dudes out there that remember all those stats. | ||
| I only only drive gun on weekends. | ||
| But the amount of actual beats that actually go on, whether it's movement, steps, strikes, landed, and the accelerated aspect of that in comparison to maybe other weight classes where they don't move as much, I wonder if that has an impact on your body getting to a certain point and just saying, alright, we're good. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I landed the fourth most leg kicks in UFC history. | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| That's what Helwani told me. | ||
| In your last fight? | ||
| Yeah, 43. Holy shit. | ||
| Goddamn that. | ||
| That's a lot. | ||
| I don't know how to kick harder because if I land 43 kicks, someone should not be walking. | ||
| I'm just thinking about 43 kicks hitting your legs. | ||
| And that was just the body. | ||
| That was just the legs. | ||
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I got a couple to the body and a couple to the head, I think. | |
| The average person. | ||
| I come from a Muay Thai gym. | ||
| I know you do. | ||
| Listen, I love your footwork too, man. | ||
| You're a fun guy to watch. | ||
| It's constant excitement. | ||
| And your last fight was fucking badass. | ||
| I wish I was there. | ||
| It was a lot of fun. | ||
| Did you fight in Brazil? | ||
| Is that where it was? | ||
| Yeah, 163. What was that like? | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
| I love Brazil. | ||
| I went out of my way to make the fans appreciate me and not hate me. | ||
| I was the only non-Brazilian that didn't get booed at weigh-ins. | ||
| Oh, that's beautiful. | ||
| And, of course, I knew I would get booed in the fight because there's 15,000, 20,000 angry Brazilians. | ||
| They chant, you're going to die. | ||
| You know what I think though, man? | ||
| Undeniably, you're one of the best fighters in the world. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| And undeniably, they're mixed martial arts fans. | ||
| Those people, when they see a top contender in his weight class, respect. | ||
| They appreciate it. | ||
| I mean, there's a few guys that have said stupid shit like Chael Sonnen. | ||
| Chael Sonnen can't go to fucking Brazil. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Like, if Chael ever... | ||
| Look, Chael's not the type to come to me for advice. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But if he ever came to me for advice and he said, Hey, Joe, they're offering me a fight against the Brazil... | ||
| Vitor Belfort in Brazil. | ||
| Do I go? | ||
| Fuck no, you don't go. | ||
| No, don't eat the food. | ||
| Don't go. | ||
| And I'm not saying Brazilian people would poison you. | ||
| Don't get me wrong. | ||
| But one of them might. | ||
| Shit. | ||
| They're fucking... | ||
| They have a lot of pride. | ||
| They're the most intense fans ever. | ||
| And I like it. | ||
| I enjoy it. | ||
| I was chanting, you're gonna die along with them. | ||
| What is the words to that again? | ||
| I think it's... | ||
| It's M-A-R-R-A. It's somewhere around there or something like that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And they just, I mean, even in Australia, American fans, you gotta get your act together. | ||
| You guys are half really knowledgeable but quiet, and the other loud half are douchebags and are just drunk. | ||
| But other countries, they might be douchebags, but they're all doing it at once. | ||
| They just become one giant entity of energy that's just going fucking crazy. | ||
| God, I love that shit, man. | ||
| There's nothing like Brazil for that. | ||
| Nothing like it. | ||
| It's a really life-changing experience. | ||
| First of all, they're there for the first fight an hour early. | ||
| An hour early, the place is packed to the gills. | ||
| They're singing songs and shit. | ||
| I'm not joking, right? | ||
| Yeah, it's incredible. | ||
| You can hear it in the back and you're like... | ||
| They have fucking passion. | ||
| And they're so successful. | ||
| If you look at Brazil and the international MMA scene, I mean, fucking across the board from the old days, the very first one, Hoist Gracie, to go over just all these different dudes that are Anderson, Shogun, you know, just all throughout the list, Fabricio Verdun. | ||
| They're everywhere. | ||
| Vanderlei, Silva, of course. | ||
| Jesus Christ, so many jiu-jitsu guys. | ||
| Aldo, Burrell. | ||
| So many. | ||
| So many. | ||
| There's so many. | ||
| And they're still coming. | ||
| They're coming more and more and more. | ||
| You've seen these guys from whether it's Novo and Yao or all the different teams. | ||
| There's a fucking gang of them over there. | ||
| Yeah, and when we were down there, I didn't get to see it, but my coach and a few of the guys went into X-Gym to watch sparring. | ||
| Oh. | ||
| And Jeeva, my jiu-jitsu coach, Jeeva the Arm Collector, Santana, he got, you know, he, like the guy didn't, like the guy, they just go super hard and the guy hit him with like a spinning heel kick and hit him in the ribs and just like separated a rib or something or hurt him. | ||
| And they're like, man, those guys, they're fighting. | ||
| They're trying to knock each other out. | ||
| Like, Jean Carre knocked some dude out and woke him up and the guy kept sparring. | ||
| Oh my god! | ||
| Of course, if you can survive that, you're going to survive a fight. | ||
| They're tough. | ||
| They build a tougher product than I think anywhere else in the world. | ||
| Do you think it's just the extreme poverty that's close by, that you're getting a lot of, like, real intense, like, need to get the fuck out of there and elevate your position? | ||
| And this is an opportunity to become Anderson Silva. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| A baller. | ||
| To be Elvis, you know? | ||
| Intercontinental baller. | ||
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By far. | |
| I think they see it and they know that... | ||
| That's where the humble beginnings they started at. | ||
| So they see it and it just makes sense. | ||
| There's a straight path. | ||
| There's a straight path. | ||
| You just know where to go. | ||
| Such a high level of competition there. | ||
| It's really interesting to see. | ||
| But you know what? | ||
| In America you can say the same thing. | ||
| There's such a high level of competition everywhere in MMA. Oh yeah, there is. | ||
| It's amazing. | ||
| It's an amazing time. | ||
| Where you're seeing high level females... | ||
| You know, you're seeing like really high-level MMA fights that are happening in female divisions. | ||
| They're going to have to expand female divisions in the UFC. Yeah, we have one of my training partners, a girl at my gym that's the Invicta champ, Carla Esparza. | ||
| And I mean, she is vicious. | ||
| She's fucking badass. | ||
| I see her beat dudes up all the time. | ||
| And I mean, she is fucking mean. | ||
| Yeah, she's fucking badass. | ||
| I mean, like, in the gym, I've had to crack her hard. | ||
| And just be like, hey, stop it. | ||
| She's trying to kill you? | ||
| Yeah, I told you once, I told you twice. | ||
| If you do that again, I'm going to drop you. | ||
| Do you feel like you're in a John Wayne movie when that shit happens? | ||
| Where you gotta smack a bitch and go, hey, listen, I know you've been fucking up some dudes, but you ain't fucking up me. | ||
| I'm not trying to fuck you up. | ||
| We're trying to go over technique, Carla. | ||
| Don't hit me that hard. | ||
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| And I hit her back. | ||
| She goes, oh, I'm sorry. | ||
| I'm like, okay. | ||
| Well, some people get really intense, man. | ||
| They get really intense. | ||
| But that's, you know, obviously, it's a style of training. | ||
| And some people disagree with it. | ||
| Like, they think that, like, to shoot box it up, you're going to punch a car too many times before you even get into a ring or a cage. | ||
| Wear headgear. | ||
| That's what I do. | ||
| But does that really make an impact? | ||
| Because they say that headgear, even though you don't get cut as much, it's the impact on the brain. | ||
| The actual impact doesn't change. | ||
| It gets cushioned a bit, but it almost rattles you more. | ||
| That could be true. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I'm no scientist. | ||
| I have no idea. | ||
| It makes me think I'm protected. | ||
| So I'll wear it. | ||
| Also, do you Do you practice training with guys that you can trust? | ||
| Or do you train with anybody? | ||
| No, we've got a tight-knit team. | ||
| It's an interesting thing, isn't it, that MMA, over maybe the past decade or so, has really developed a way to professionally approach things. | ||
| Whereas there was a lot of variation just 10 years ago in training methods, and a lot of people did a lot of stupid shit. | ||
| We bring in wrestlers. | ||
| We have the wrestling coaches that bring in wrestlers to work with me. | ||
| I have the guys that are on the team. | ||
| But then I also have guys that are just Muay Thai. | ||
| You know, like Romy Adonza. | ||
| He's one of the best U.S. kickboxers of all time. | ||
| No one knows who he is. | ||
| He fights at 115 pounds. | ||
| But he'll sleep at any heavyweight out there. | ||
| I promise you. | ||
| He's incredible. | ||
| What is his name again? | ||
| Romy Adonza. | ||
| And is he going to fight MMA or just Muay Thai? | ||
| No. | ||
| He's just Muay Thai. | ||
| He's had a bad string of luck the past couple of fights, but he's just incredible. | ||
| There's a lot of high-level Muay Thai nowadays, too, right? | ||
| Yeah, I've got the Muay Thai, the wrestling, the jiu-jitsu, and I work it all separate. | ||
| All with guys I trust that are my size, and then we can combine the two. | ||
| And who's the mastermind of your camp? | ||
| Is it you and Colin? | ||
| Do you work it out together? | ||
| It's just Colin. | ||
| Colin, Jeeva... | ||
| For the jiu-jitsu. | ||
| And then Romy for, you know, because he holds pads for me. | ||
| You know, we'll go, like, literally we'll go like an hour straight holding pads. | ||
| And then... | ||
| Romy Aram? | ||
| No, Romy Adonzo. | ||
| Romy Adonzo. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Romy Aram's over at Millennia. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| That's what I was going to say. | ||
| And then you have, for wrestling, I have Sheldon Kim. | ||
| Romy's another old school guy, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Him and Javi Vasquez? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Old school. | ||
| Super old. | ||
| I mean, he was... | ||
| Bad motherfuckers right there. | ||
| He was a black belt at, like, what, 16? | ||
| A long-ass time ago, too, and there was no black belts. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, he's... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I never rolled with Javi, but Javi rolled, I saw him roll a couple times at John Jacques in person, watching his jiu-jitsu. | ||
| Jiu-jitsu is incredible. | ||
| He talks to you the whole time. | ||
| He's a constrictor. | ||
| And just tells you what's gonna happen. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And like in like a super, sometimes annoying way. | ||
| He's so good. | ||
| He'll show you after what he did, but it's like, dude, oh my god, you're so good. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| Eddie Bravo told me a Javi Vasquez story. | ||
| The first time he ever went to a tournament, he saw Javi. | ||
| He saw this dude running sprints up the stairs, and he was like, what the fuck? | ||
| Who the hell's going to have to fight this fucking guy? | ||
| And Eddie comes in there with flip-flops on. | ||
| He can't even do a sit-up. | ||
| And he's watching this fucking dude run sprints upstairs. | ||
| I think he lost to Javi twice. | ||
| I want to say he almost caught him in a twister once. | ||
| But him and Javi had some crazy battles. | ||
| Javi's an elite, elite jiu-jitsu guy. | ||
| Yeah, they very rarely do. | ||
| There's black belts and then there's... | ||
| The super elite. | ||
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| Like the Javis or the Jivas or the... | ||
| You can name off a million different Gracies. | ||
| Javi's also a guy that he was pretty public about his knee injury. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He had a pretty fucking serious knee injury when he lost his title. | ||
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| And... | ||
| What the fuck was it that he fought? | ||
| God damn it. | ||
| I can see him right in front of me right now. | ||
| He fought in the UFC as well, that guy. | ||
| Sorry, Javi. | ||
| Javi's listening. | ||
| He's like, what the fuck, Joe? | ||
| Fuck you guys. | ||
| How do you not remember, bitch? | ||
| I can't remember. | ||
| There's not enough room, alright? | ||
| There's a thing called... | ||
| I know Robert fought him. | ||
| Robert used to be on my team, but I don't know if that wasn't the fight, I don't think. | ||
| No, no. | ||
| Robert just stayed out of his guard. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Robert fought a very smart fight against Emerson. | ||
| That was another guy who had incredible skill and could have been really good. | ||
| Alberto Crane. | ||
| But wasted it. | ||
| Yeah, he fought Alberto Crane and blew out his ACL and then kept fucking fighting through the rest of the fight. | ||
| His shit was gone. | ||
| So his leg was buckling every time he tried to move. | ||
| Every single time. | ||
| Mangling the inside of his knee while he did that. | ||
| And he just really always had problems with it after that. | ||
| He had so many problems with it. | ||
| He got mad at me that I brought it up in a telecast once. | ||
| He talked about it in interviews. | ||
| I didn't think that I was naming something that people weren't aware of. | ||
| But I was saying that someone should kick his legs because he's had problems with his knees. | ||
| And he was like, that's kind of fucked up. | ||
| And I see his point. | ||
| It is kind of fucked up. | ||
| But it's also... | ||
| But it's the truth. | ||
| Public knowledge. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's not like you hide that. | ||
| And like you told me, don't tell anybody, but I fucked my knee up. | ||
| Coaches are already going to have that thought up. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I just... | ||
| I hate saying shit like that, but it is what you should do. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, it's like if you were fighting in a movie like Game of Thrones and there was like the noble choice. | ||
| No, that's not noble to kick a guy's legs if his knees are problematic. | ||
| But... | ||
| With a fucking boa constrictor like that, dude, you gotta take every advantage you can get anyway, right? | ||
| Yeah, you gotta just try and put a chink in that armor somewhere so the body doesn't move right if you can just start to hurt something. | ||
| Yeah, so he got mad that I brought that up, but it's not that I don't love you, buddy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I love you, Javi. | ||
| I do love that dude. | ||
| I was bummed out that he was mad at me, but I get it. | ||
| I understand it. | ||
| It's one of those weird things where people have been upset at me if I've done commentary on them losing in spectacular fashion that I sort of emphasized it made it suckier than it was. | ||
| Even had to be. | ||
| Yeah, but it's kind of your job. | ||
| I know, but I don't mean to. | ||
| I know. | ||
| Everybody thinks it's, you know, or they suspect that it's personal. | ||
| There's no way. | ||
| You get excited about doing your job. | ||
| That's apparent, you know? | ||
| Yeah, it's a weird job, though, you know? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's an especially weird job if you haven't done it. | ||
| I'm doing commentary on MMA. I never had an MMA fight. | ||
| I didn't even come close. | ||
| I wasn't even thinking about it. | ||
| I almost fought Wesley Snipes, but I was pretty sure he didn't know what he was doing. | ||
| I thought I was just going to grab him. | ||
| I felt like, how's that guy going to keep me from grabbing him? | ||
| What are you going to do? | ||
| Are you going to be really slick? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It takes a long time. | ||
| We have a long time to dance. | ||
| I'll grab you. | ||
| I'm going to grab you. | ||
| That's all I thought of. | ||
| I didn't think, like, I'll start fighting MMA, you know? | ||
| So to do commentary on a guy like Anderson Silva, like, who the fuck am I to say what he should do? | ||
| I have zero credibility. | ||
| It's a ridiculous position for me to be in. | ||
| Damn you. | ||
| You're just like the refs, man. | ||
| You have no business being there. | ||
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| I have no business being there. | ||
| And not the refs. | ||
| I said the judges. | ||
| The refs have them. | ||
| The refs, actually. | ||
| For the most part, I mean, there's some mistakes. | ||
| Like, Mazzagotti takes a lot of heat. | ||
| I think it's a fucking tough gig. | ||
| That's a tough job, yeah. | ||
| It's a tough gig. | ||
| And I think there's excellent guys, like, in my opinion, right now. | ||
| Big John McCarthy's always top of the heap. | ||
| Always. | ||
| That's the gold standard. | ||
| And then there's Herb Dean, who I think is right up there. | ||
| He always has been. | ||
| Josh Rosenthal. | ||
| Josh Rosenthal is right up there, man. | ||
| He's elite, man. | ||
| I'm really bummed out about his legal situation. | ||
| I don't want to blow up his spot. | ||
| I don't need to talk about his legal problems. | ||
| He's a great guy. | ||
| I wish that guy luck. | ||
| He's a good dude. | ||
| He just did something that's only illegal because the world's run by cunts. | ||
| That's what I'm also answering. | ||
| Things you shouldn't have had, like fire. | ||
| Whatever. | ||
| Great dude. | ||
| I love the guy. | ||
| And he's a great referee, too. | ||
| You can count on him. | ||
| There's a few guys. | ||
| You find out they're going to be the referee. | ||
| You go, okay, good. | ||
| This is going to be a good fight. | ||
| Do you have say over who referees your fights? | ||
| No, I'm just waiting for the day that Kim Winslow walks in. | ||
| I can just raise my hand and go, hey, this is not happening. | ||
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I'm not... | |
| I think Kim does a pretty good job, man. | ||
| I don't think... | ||
| I think she has a real hard time with big people, though. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, like, what was her last fight where there's two fucking... | ||
| Oh, it was Gonzaga and Pee Wee Herman. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I was like, that is crazy. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Like, that's dangerous. | ||
| That is. | ||
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For her. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| And for the fighters. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| She's like 120 pounds maybe, right? | ||
| And Gonzaga is 260, built like a fucking gorilla that someone took in a lab and merged with a human. | ||
| I mean, when he gets in front of the camera and goes, makes crazy faces and shit, Gonzaga looks like he's some crazy caveman. | ||
| Well, see, it just bothers me because she's made some bad choices and the fact that I don't want to hear a woman's voice in the cage. | ||
| Oh, how dare you? | ||
| Just yapping at me while I'm trying to fight. | ||
| Prepare for the feminists to be coming at you full bore, especially feminist MMA fans. | ||
| Yeah, that's just me. | ||
| It's a huge, growing part of the market. | ||
| The UFC's going to have to apologize for you now. | ||
| Probably. | ||
| We're probably both in trouble right now. | ||
| Let's shut our phones off so Dana can't text us. | ||
| Sorry, Dad. | ||
| He'll fucking shut the internet down. | ||
| He'll call Vegas. | ||
| Call Lorenzo. | ||
| Shut the internet down! | ||
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Rogan and Ian are going to get us in trouble. | |
| It's funny, man. | ||
| I see how you would want, definitely, if you have that opinion about it, whether it's a woman or a man, if you have an opinion about a referee that you don't think is good, I think that would be important to make sure that's one less thing you have to think about. | ||
| Do they give you a hard time about that? | ||
| Is that pretty easy to do? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I've never had to complain about it. | ||
| Because I know that's been in dispute in boxing matches. | ||
| Like, there's certain refs that are slower to break things up and let guys fight out of clinches, you know? | ||
| And then there's other refs that don't tolerate none of that shit. | ||
| I've never seen it happen in UFC, so I don't know. | ||
| That's a good question. | ||
| I'm sure it's going to happen, or it has happened, and they've taken care of... | ||
| I'm sure Burt has... | ||
| It's an interesting situation that a lot of people aren't even aware of. | ||
| People go, why does the UFC fix your fucking judging? | ||
| They can't do anything. | ||
| It's the state athletic commissions that control all the judging. | ||
| It's getting better, I think, sometimes. | ||
| Sometimes I think it's getting better. | ||
| Every now and then a fight comes along and you're like, wait, what? | ||
| You know, come on, man. | ||
| Like, there's some shit you guys are not taking into consideration here. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, there's a few fights where you just go, man, I'm missing something here. | ||
| I don't get how that was... | ||
| What did you see that I didn't see or not say? | ||
| I'm just lost. | ||
| I really believe this, and this sounds like stupid bullshit, but I think that they should consider having one extra vote, one extra judge, and that one extra judge should be the internet. | ||
| That's what I think. | ||
| I think you should allow fans to register and vote and allow them to... | ||
| Like, you could rate someone who judges the way you rate a Yelp account. | ||
| Like, oh, this food tastes like ass. | ||
| Like, oh, this guy judges like shit. | ||
| And then you get a few red flags if you made some questionable decisions and then you get removed from the queue and you can't judge anymore or you can't judge high-level fights or you have to prove yourself or whatever the fuck you gotta do. | ||
| But I think having that as a fourth judging... | ||
| It's a fourth option. | ||
| Maybe even coming to it if it's a close disputed decision. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| If it's close, let's go to the internet judge. | ||
| Let's see what that was. | ||
| And then, you know, take that into consideration or what. | ||
| I mean, I don't know how you would factor it in. | ||
| What would be most valuable? | ||
| Whether it's the in-person judges or the internet judges. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Because it's a different experience not being there as well. | ||
| Maybe give them half a point? | ||
| Yeah, like, does that make sense that it's a different experience watching it cage-side as it is watching it on television? | ||
| And it almost wouldn't be fair if they only watched it on television? | ||
| It's completely different. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Because there's so much you can't see. | ||
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Right. | |
| I'm sure judges have screens in front of them, don't they? | ||
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Right. | |
| Yeah, and they do have screens if they want to catch angles. | ||
| They do now. | ||
| It's something that we complained about for a long fucking time before they finally gave in and started giving them screens. | ||
| Because there's certain angles where if I'm on one side of the cage and there's a ground fight going on on the exact opposite side of the cage, I can't see what's going on. | ||
| If a guy has his back to me and the other guy has... | ||
| I don't know what he's... | ||
| I have to see a moderate. | ||
| It's the only way to see it. | ||
| So finally judges get to see that because for the longest time, some of the questionable decisions could be... | ||
| Boiled down to that. | ||
| You didn't get a good angle to see exactly what was happening the whole time. | ||
| So in a close 10-9 situation where it could go either way, there's a lot of fights where it could kind of go either way. | ||
| After the round was over, you're like, fuck, they have to choose a winner here. | ||
| How much do judges go off punch stats? | ||
| Do they know them right away? | ||
| I don't think they know them at all. | ||
| That's the kind of thing that needs to get figured out. | ||
| We have them. | ||
| I know, but I'm saying that they should want that information to judge a fight. | ||
| I don't think they get it. | ||
| I'm pretty sure they don't get it. | ||
| I think that could influence them. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, but I think that's why they don't get it. | ||
| I need to find that out for sure. | ||
| I should ask Mike Goldberg. | ||
| I'll text him. | ||
| That's how strong this is while this is going on. | ||
| Mike Goldberg will be on that show. | ||
| If they don't know the numbers, that's bullshit because they need to see those numbers. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| It seems like that would be something just like the monitors that would be a no-brainer. | ||
| But it's hard, man. | ||
| It's hard to get change. | ||
| Change is fucking hard. | ||
| Especially when it's run by a state program. | ||
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Yes. | |
| And that's what people need to understand. | ||
| This is not as simple as the UFC needs to implement. | ||
| No, you're dealing with a whole bureaucracy. | ||
| You're dealing with people that don't want to lose their jobs. | ||
| It's really tough to fire people because it's a government gig. | ||
| It's not the same. | ||
| There's a lot of people that are judges that I like as human beings. | ||
| I always say hi to them. | ||
| They're very nice people. | ||
| I just don't think they're qualified to do what they're doing. | ||
| You can look at them and see that. | ||
| Yeah, there should be some sort of Like, absolute baseline knowledge that you have to have had. | ||
| You have to have some experience in some sort of combat sport. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| I think that fighters or judges should have been fighters with so many fights. | ||
| It's a good idea. | ||
| Or at least hire a stand-up judge, a wrestling judge, and a jiu-jitsu judge. | ||
| Or, you know, some sort of... | ||
| And then have a fourth MMA. I don't know. | ||
| They need to figure out something. | ||
| Because everyone has to have knowledge... | ||
| And I think the entire sport instead of just one facet of it. | ||
| Yeah, I think you're right too. | ||
| But man, if you had just jiu-jitsu judges, those motherfuckers would be... | ||
| I'd be so biased. | ||
| Every fight was like, jiu-jitsu was winning, my friend! | ||
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He didn't know he can pass his guard. | |
| My friend, you know, we disagree. | ||
| There were so many Brazilians were mad when Haja Gracie got cut. | ||
| They're a fucking legend! | ||
| He's just so good, man. | ||
| There's one more fight for 205, Mr. Dana White. | ||
| They're so loyal. | ||
| And a name like Gracie. | ||
| That's as royalty in mixed martial arts as you get. | ||
| Fuck Prince Charles. | ||
| That's real royalty. | ||
| The Gracie name is royalty. | ||
| It is. | ||
| So when Dana cut Haja Gracie, it's like, Jesus! | ||
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What? | |
| How dare you? | ||
| He's a dude that I don't think should be fighting at 185. I look at Hodger and he's so big. | ||
| He's so tall. | ||
| And it is murder for that motherfucker to make 185. I saw his, like, what he looked like after he'd weighed in. | ||
| Like, Jesus. | ||
| That dude, I mean, that is really hardcore weight cutting that guy's doing. | ||
| Yeah, he's a big boy. | ||
| Fuck yeah he is, man. | ||
| Yeah, the weight cutting is his... | ||
| Yeah, he's big, dude. | ||
| When you're around him, you're like, how does that guy weigh 185? | ||
| How's that even possible? | ||
| I see a lot of guys like that at every weight. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That is just like, wow. | ||
| Yeah, no one better exemplifies it than who? | ||
| GSP is pretty big. | ||
| Anthony Rumble Johnson. | ||
| He barely made 170, but now he's fighting at heavyweight. | ||
| And he's beating guys like Orlovsky. | ||
| You missed weight at 70, so they kicked you out of 70. They kicked you out of a weight class, which I knew that was possible. | ||
| Then, you missed weight at the 15 pounds higher weight class by 12 pounds. | ||
| So you missed your original weight by 27 pounds. | ||
| You're just being an asshole now. | ||
| I met him in between fights once. | ||
| It was back when he was one of the scariest guys in the welterweight division. | ||
| He was just coming up. | ||
| He had knocked out Tommy Burns. | ||
| Remember that fight? | ||
| Ruthless fight, man. | ||
| He was absolutely brutal. | ||
| Tommy was coming off the ultimate fighter. | ||
| There's moments in fighters' careers where they just appear like, oh my god, this is the motherfucker right here. | ||
| He was one of them. | ||
| That moment... | ||
| When he burst on the scene and knocked out that Tommy Burns, that was like his coming out party. | ||
| I was like, this kid is fucking powerful. | ||
| Yeah, that's what it was. | ||
| I mean, he went after people and he just physically just crushed people. | ||
| And he was so big for 170. It didn't even make sense. | ||
| I met him in between fights. | ||
| He was at one of the, I think it was in Denver. | ||
| He came down and he wasn't competing. | ||
| So he was giant. | ||
| I go, what do you weigh? | ||
| And he goes, I'm about 230, 220, 230. How much? | ||
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What? | |
| He was huge! | ||
| He was fucking gigantic! | ||
| That's a 60 pound weight cut. | ||
| And he's built like a heavyweight too. | ||
| Yeah, he's huge. | ||
| He didn't look like, man, you shouldn't be fighting heavyweight. | ||
| It was like, yeah, you can be a heavyweight. | ||
| How the fuck did you get 170? | ||
| Because he's tall too. | ||
| It's not like he's a short, super thick guy. | ||
| He's just a big man. | ||
| Yeah, that's just got to be unbelievably bad for your body. | ||
| It's just got to be unbelievably bad for your body when you have that nutty seesaw, right? | ||
| Yeah, I honestly probably think it takes a year or two off your life every time you do it. | ||
| The most I've ever cut was 18.8 in the last 20 hours. | ||
| It's a different thing for you, though, too, because of the percentage of your body weight, as opposed to a guy like Johnson, who's 50, 60 pounds heavier. | ||
| That's what I'm saying. | ||
| I was in Florida. | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| When I fought Demetrius the second time, I cut 18.8 pounds the last 20 hours. | ||
| I don't even know what I was before that. | ||
| That one really screwed me up. | ||
| When you go to a place like Florida, how much time do you spend adjusting to the moisture in the air and the change in the environment? | ||
| It doesn't really bother me. | ||
| What about altitude, if you have to fight it like Denver? | ||
| I've never fought in high altitude before. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| That would be a wild place to watch some fucking flyweights. | ||
| Jeez, man. | ||
| Because heavyweights in Denver are crazy. | ||
| Every time you have a heavyweight fight in Denver, it's like these poor fucking guys just got drugged and pushed into a cage. | ||
| You're going to fucking dart your neck, man. | ||
| People don't understand, man. | ||
| If you've never been to Denver, that shit is up there. | ||
| That's a mile-high city legit, and the people that live there have more endurance than you. | ||
| If you get used to that, too, that's why those guys train in Albuquerque, everybody goes up to Big Bear. | ||
| When you get used to that shit, it makes your body super enriched with oxygen and red blood cells. | ||
| You have all this endurance. | ||
| My girlfriend outside, she lives in Reno, is always in Tahoe. | ||
| Oh, so you're always up there high. | ||
| She's always up there. | ||
| She comes out here more. | ||
| Do you ever go up there to train? | ||
| No, I'm going to start more because she's up there and I actually genuinely like this one. | ||
| I would think that for a guy like you, there would be a real benefit in training at a place like Big Bear. | ||
| Well, I don't make enough money to pay for a camp. | ||
| I do do CVAC. I don't know if you've ever known what CVAC is. | ||
| Explain that though. | ||
| Is it the tent like BJ has? | ||
| It's an egg. | ||
| An egg. | ||
| It's an egg you sit in. | ||
| And you're sitting in a recliner. | ||
| And basically it does the elevation, but it changes to temperature, density of air, elevation, a few different things where it makes your body at a cellular level flex and expel all the bad stuff. | ||
| And you're just ready to suck in. | ||
| You feel amazing. | ||
| Like you'll shoot from sea level up to 25,000 feet within 20 seconds and then shoot back down and then up. | ||
| And they do this rhythmic stuff to it. | ||
| And you do breathing exercises. | ||
| Why am I only hearing about this for the first time right now? | ||
| I'm so excited. | ||
| I was the first real fighter to start doing it and now you've got a lot of guys who are doing it at Newport Beach. | ||
| What's it called again? | ||
| Meanwhile, cut to 10 months from now, Joe Rogan caught up in Ascent Newport Beach. | ||
| The biggest hoax ever. | ||
| I got tricked into going into a fucking egg. | ||
| Yeah, see, there's... | ||
| I got totally hoaxered. | ||
| And I love it, man. | ||
| I'm sorry, so how do you say it again? | ||
| C-V-A-C-K. C-V-A-C-K? Yeah. | ||
| No, no, no, VAC. I go to Ascent Newport Beach. | ||
| I'll do 20-minute sessions. | ||
| I'll do three of them. | ||
| I pound out water like this with a good 9.5 pH or whatever while I'm in there. | ||
| I feel amazing. | ||
| I do breathing exercises while I'm in there. | ||
| So I'll hold my breath, and what it does is, when you shoot up in elevation, you're already full of oxygen. | ||
| And dude, it stretches your lungs like... | ||
| There's no other way to get this feeling that I've ever felt. | ||
| It literally stretches your lungs out, and you... | ||
| And then breathe again. | ||
| What's the website for it? | ||
| I'm having a hard time finding it. | ||
| CVAC what? | ||
| CVAC Newport Beach. | ||
| Just Google CVAC or CVAC Ascent. | ||
| Am I spelling it right? | ||
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S-C-A-V-A-C? No, it's just Ascent. | |
| What's that? | ||
| Ascent CVAC Newport Beach. | ||
| But am I spelling it right? | ||
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S-E-A-V-A-C? Yeah, but C-VAC is just one word. | |
| C, the letter C. Oh, C and then VAC? That's it? | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| Just the letter C-VAC. Okay. | ||
| C-VAC, Newport Beach. | ||
| Okay, C-V-A-C. That's what it is. | ||
| So it stands for something? | ||
| What does it stand for? | ||
| I have no idea. | ||
| Ascent C-VAC. But yeah, I mean, it's something that... | ||
| How long has it been around for? | ||
| It's been around for a while. | ||
| Powerful five-star review on Yelp. | ||
| They've just... | ||
| Yelp's amazing. | ||
| They've just started to really cater towards athletes where Tito goes. | ||
| I've been going for a while now. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| So what is the process? | ||
| How does the actual thing change your body? | ||
| You go in and you sit in the pod, and then as you build up, there's different levels. | ||
| The fluctuations in the pressure, the temperature, the elevation... | ||
| You know, the density of the air. | ||
| It just makes your body just heal faster. | ||
| You get rid of swelling. | ||
| I mean, it has a list of stuff. | ||
| I mean, you read on there what it does. | ||
| I can't really put my finger on it. | ||
| It just makes me feel amazing. | ||
| It makes my cardio go through the roof. | ||
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Sounds like one of those magnet bracelets, son. | |
| Hop on. | ||
| Check it out. | ||
| Cycle variations and adaptive conditioning. | ||
| Okay, that's what they're calling it. | ||
| Building the New Super Athlete, mensjournal.com. | ||
| And it's in this. | ||
| It works for me. | ||
| I believe you, dude. | ||
| I'm only fucking with you. | ||
| Come on. | ||
| Much respect. | ||
| I'm just joking. | ||
| But what they're saying is, it's called The Power of... | ||
| It's an article that's in Men's Journal magazine. | ||
| And the article is, Building the New Super Athlete. | ||
| And the first sentence is the power of the pod. | ||
| And it says, Heather Hineker owns and runs what could be considered a gym of the future in Newport Beach, California. | ||
| The machine does all the work at her ascent facility. | ||
| The training consists of showing up and settling into one of her three stationary CVAC pods for a 20-minute session. | ||
| The air pressure inside will yo-yo between sea level and about 22,500 feet with 200 to 400 pressure changes in between. | ||
| When you hit maximum altitude, or rather the air pressure equivalent, you take a rapid nosedive back to earth akin to racing up to the top of the Anca-Gagwa. | ||
| I don't know what that is. | ||
| A-C-O-N-C-A Why did you have to be so obscure, crazy person? | ||
| You couldn't say Everest? | ||
| Heather. | ||
| Fuckhead. | ||
| Heather. | ||
| Keep it together. | ||
| And jumping off, the 36-year-old Hinkler said that the pod is the only thing that has kept her rumboid arthritis at bay. | ||
| And then she left her job in finance, sank her life savings into this, and saw her business nearly go under until word started spreading around. | ||
| The California Jock Grapevine. | ||
| Dude, welcome to the California Jock Grapevine. | ||
| You're part of it. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| You're in the California Jock Grapevine. | ||
| I don't know if that's good or not. | ||
| It's a tricky one, right, when someone calls you a jock? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| She says the majority of her clients are professionals, athletes, and the first thing it says, UFC fighters. | ||
| And it says Major League Baseball Player and Dirty Comedian. | ||
| I'm coming. | ||
| I'll go there. | ||
| I want to try that shit. | ||
| Come on down. | ||
| How many times you go? | ||
| A week. | ||
| Three days a week. | ||
| It's death to get down there, though. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, and supposedly it cures Meneers, and I kept telling Dana, you got to come try it. | ||
| You got to come try it. | ||
| I had vertigo for like six months of my life a while back. | ||
| Cures Meneers? | ||
| How does it cure Meneers? | ||
| Again, I don't know. | ||
| I didn't build it. | ||
| Is it a bracelet with a rubber band and a magnet under it? | ||
| I told them to just give it a shot. | ||
| It makes me feel better. | ||
| Well, it sounds like there's something happening. | ||
| It sounds like also it's getting a lot of people that are excited about it. | ||
| Yeah, because now finally people are starting to see it and they're starting to see the results. | ||
| Although I do have to say, we were talking about Shane Carwin. | ||
| Much respect to Shane Carwin. | ||
| Much love to Shane Carwin. | ||
| Big Shane Carwin fan as a human being and as a fighter. | ||
| But that motherfucker was trying to tell me that a rubber band worked for him. | ||
| He had a rubber band with a magnet on. | ||
| He was telling me that it's really helping my balance. | ||
| I'm like, bitch, that shit ain't doing nothing. | ||
| That's in your head. | ||
| Those guys who have been in Power Balance are from my area. | ||
| There's a bunch of them now, right? | ||
| Power Balance, that company at least was done by my house. | ||
| Did they get in jail? | ||
| Did they have to go to jail? | ||
| I don't think so. | ||
| Did they get away? | ||
| I mean, I know there was some crazy lawsuits, whether it was them or someone else. | ||
| I think they just had to give money or they had to stop doing something. | ||
| I know it went under, but they made a boatload of money while they could. | ||
| Well, if you sold something that gave you the kind of confidence that made you believe that, I mean, is that a product? | ||
| Because if you got all those fucking positive, you know, you look at like those stupid rubber band things, man. | ||
| So many people were telling me how great they were. | ||
| Oh, I wore them just to wear it so people... | ||
| So for one, I could try and get a sponsorship out of it. | ||
| Oh, there you go. | ||
| That's smart. | ||
| I thought it was bullshit, but if it did actually help because everybody else had them on, I was wearing it. | ||
| You know, the only reason why I was willing to believe... | ||
| Look, I've been willing to believe a lot of dumb shit in my life. | ||
| Psychics and fucking tarot card readers. | ||
| I've been willing to believe a lot of stupid shit. | ||
| But the reason why I didn't believe in this one when it got down to it was that the dude who was trying to demonstrate it on me was trying to do carnival tricks. | ||
| Yeah, that's exactly what it is. | ||
| He was like, put your arm out like this. | ||
| Now resist. | ||
| Okay, now I'm gonna put the bracelet on now and put your arm out like this and resist. | ||
| I'm like, that's not the same position. | ||
| Like, we were up here. | ||
| Let's go bring my arm back to here. | ||
| Okay, we're back here again. | ||
| Go ahead. | ||
| No, you weren't there before. | ||
| Yes, I was. | ||
| Like, what are you doing? | ||
| Like, you guys are playing carnival. | ||
| They were doing leverage tricks. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Like, trying to, like, get me to pick him up with my hand. | ||
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I'm like, what are we doing? | |
| What are you doing? | ||
| You're holding your hand next to your waist to try to prove strength. | ||
| There's one way to prove strength, stupid. | ||
| Put some weights on a stack and let's see if I can lift the same amount or less or more or whatever. | ||
| That's the only way. | ||
| You can't do a carnival trick. | ||
| So I go, what are you guys doing? | ||
| Who taught you how to do this? | ||
| I go, do they teach you? | ||
| And then they got real weird with me. | ||
| I was like, come on, man. | ||
| You're trying to make some money. | ||
| I've seen people trying to make some money before, but do they teach you how to do this? | ||
| I'm like, this is the second person that I've ever met that has these wristbands for sale that wants to thumb wrestle. | ||
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They want to get you in some weird mercy position. | |
| Exactly. | ||
| Okay, well try and lift me up now. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| What? | ||
| It was ridiculous. | ||
| Yeah, and the guy wasn't even that good at it. | ||
| I resisted it. | ||
| I'm like, come on, man. | ||
| You're not even doing it right. | ||
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At least do it right if you're going to try and sell me the scrap. | |
| It's one of those things where people want to believe that there's a rubber band that you could put on that makes you feel better. | ||
| Like, slap that bitch on! | ||
| I'm going to be ripped and good-looking and talented now. | ||
| This rubber band is straightening my chakras. | ||
| My chakras are out of line. | ||
| I didn't know what it was. | ||
| I was taking yoga. | ||
| It was really a waste of time. | ||
| I just needed a rubber band with a little hologram. | ||
| In the middle of it. | ||
| Put me back in center, in tune. | ||
| So how long have you been doing this three times a week thing in the CVAC pod? | ||
| Oh man, since before I got in UFC. By the way, this is not sponsored by CVAC. Right now people are going, oh, I see product placement. | ||
| You worked your friends. | ||
| No, this is spontaneous. | ||
| I'm going to bring Joe down to try it out. | ||
| I'd love to, except I can't get down there without a helicopter. | ||
| Yeah, because it takes forever. | ||
| I'll just quit. | ||
| I'll just pull over the side road and go to sleep. | ||
| Driving down to Newport Beach, people don't know. | ||
| It's a joke. | ||
| Yeah, it sucks. | ||
| I went down to Affliction back when Tom was working there. | ||
| I went to visit him. | ||
| I said, yeah, man, I'll come visit you. | ||
| Come hang out. | ||
| It took two hours! | ||
| Two hours! | ||
| That's not even Orange County. | ||
| Seal Beach is still... | ||
| L.A. County, I think. | ||
| 40-minute drive! | ||
| I mean, it should have been a 40-minute drive at most. | ||
| And I was like, this is just ridiculous. | ||
| And they do that every day. | ||
| And it wasn't even like, it was an off time. | ||
| It was like 3 in the afternoon or 2 in the afternoon. | ||
| It wasn't even like 5. My dad drove from my family dealership in downtown L.A. next to Staples Center, the Toyota dealership. | ||
| It's my family's. | ||
| He would drive from there down to Laguna Niguel and then to San Clemente after we moved to San Clemente on the beach. | ||
| For 30 years or some really fucking long time. | ||
| How old were you when you moved? | ||
| You lived on the beach? | ||
| Like right on the beach? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like I walk out my balcony and I could, you know, it could be two in the morning. | ||
| I could grab a group of people and run and jump in the water naked and run back in the house without getting caught. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| How old were you then, when you guys moved to the beach? | ||
| We moved there when I was 16 or 17, I believe. | ||
| Did you find, in any way, that that had a change in your demeanor at all, like being by the water? | ||
| No, because I already had lived in the Gunna Naga, like a couple miles from the beach. | ||
| I was at the beach. | ||
| That's where our whole little fight crew came from, was Salt Creek Beach, and Dana Point was, that was our beach. | ||
| Like, what are you doing at our beach? | ||
| Like, beat it. | ||
| You know, beat it, kook. | ||
| Like, we had a bunch of pro surfer friends and bodyboarder friends, and And you would just bully people and kick them off the beach? | ||
| And throw water balloons, you know? | ||
| Do you feel bad about it now? | ||
| Not really. | ||
| It was kind of fun. | ||
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You're supposed to say yes. | |
| It was our beach, though. | ||
| It was different. | ||
| Well, that's so douchey, though. | ||
| People just want to use the ocean, man. | ||
| The fuck? | ||
| That was our beach. | ||
| It's no big deal. | ||
| We were such douchebags. | ||
| What I mean is, is there a difference in being by the water all the time and living at the water? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| I've always wondered. | ||
| For me, there is. | ||
| I have a friend who has a beach house, and it costs like $4 million, and it looks like it should be like $50 million. | ||
| It's fucking crazy. | ||
| I was like, this is not a $4 million house, man, and you're right next door to the neighbor. | ||
| This is the nuttiest thing ever. | ||
| How the fuck did somebody get you to pay $4 million for this? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You could have like a castle in Colorado. | ||
| Yes, exactly. | ||
| Yeah, you could have a hundred acres with elk wandering through your yard. | ||
| Instead, you're just jammed up on your neighbor. | ||
| And he was like, it doesn't matter. | ||
| When you get up and you see the ocean, you look out, you wind, you see the ocean. | ||
| He goes, I'm on vacation every day of my life. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He goes, I look out there, I hear that water, and it just chills me out. | ||
| Yeah, for sleep, the water. | ||
| I mean, my dad's a waterman. | ||
| His whole life has revolved around, you know, surfing and fishing and traveling. | ||
| That's like his passions, you know. | ||
| The man, fish fear my dad. | ||
| He's spearfishing, any sort of fishing. | ||
| Spearfishing is some wild shit, man. | ||
| My friend Aubrey, the CEO of Onnit, just got back from doing some spearfishing. | ||
| So fun. | ||
| And he was saying, it's like hunting underwater while you hold your breath. | ||
| It's such a different thing. | ||
| Yeah, and there's a lot more creatures that want to eat you. | ||
| You know, sharks come swimming up next to you, but like, you know, like living on the beach at, as a senior in high school, you know, he was never home. | ||
| My parents had gotten divorced at that point. | ||
| I had his brand new car to drive, brand new Porsche to drive around. | ||
| Oh my God. | ||
| He let you drive a Porsche when you were in high school? | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| I would, I just drove it. | ||
| Do you know how many people right now I just know. | ||
| He didn't know. | ||
| He found out I was driving it. | ||
| You're like an evil character in a fucking teeny bopper movie. | ||
| I was a horrible kid. | ||
| I mean, think about it. | ||
| If there was like a 16 Candles type movie, you would be like the ultimate bad character. | ||
| But then, you know what? | ||
| There'd probably be a girl in the movie, and you'd fall in love with her, and you would change for her. | ||
| So that's what's happening right now. | ||
| Okay, nice. | ||
| Yeah, that's what it would be like. | ||
| If that... | ||
| Just think about you driving your dad's Porsche around, living in the fucking beach and shit, and kicking guys' asses. | ||
| Like, what a dick. | ||
| Yeah, constantly. | ||
| What a dick. | ||
| My dad would bring, he would go kill fish, you know, big tuna or whatever out of Mexico, and come back with whole fish. | ||
| Whole tuna. | ||
| And just literally, we would eat, you don't get any fresher than that. | ||
| I mean, he's cutting up, he's gutting it and then giving you sushi out. | ||
| It's amazing. | ||
| I've never done any tuna fishing, but my friend Tommy did, and he said they ate tuna sashimi on the boat. | ||
| He said it's the most ridiculous thing. | ||
| You can't even believe how good it tastes. | ||
| It's a whole different world. | ||
| And, I mean, tuna, it's a fucking torpedo muscle. | ||
| I mean, that's the best fighting fish in the ocean. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, tuna, albacore, like that, those jacks, you know, maybe like a yellowtail, but tuna's the best. | ||
| But, um... | ||
| And they're also the best eating, I think. | ||
| I mean, Gerardo's fun, they're pretty, but, you know, or Sailfish, you know, they're fun, pretty, but, I mean, tuna's... | ||
| It's unbelievably delicious. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Especially, it's so delicious that it's preferred raw. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| I mean, tuna's preferred raw more than anything. | ||
| The Japanese have paid over a million dollars for one fish. | ||
| That's so crazy! | ||
| I love sushi. | ||
| How's that possible? | ||
| How's that possible? | ||
| You sure that's true? | ||
| Did you make that up? | ||
| No, you can Google that shit. | ||
| You can Googleize it. | ||
| Listen, this is at least 50 people listening to this. | ||
| I have to be really careful about telling the truth. | ||
| Alright, largest amount paid for a tuna. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But they regularly get like $30,000, $40,000 for a tuna to catch, right? | ||
| Oh, all the time. | ||
| If you go out of Nova Scotia, from what my dad has told me, you go out of Nova Scotia on a trip and everyone pays for a couple day trip. | ||
| Oh my god, you were wrong! | ||
| You ready for this? | ||
| 1.8 million! | ||
| Oh, well, fuck me running. | ||
| That's insane! | ||
| That's for a fish. | ||
| What did it weigh? | ||
| Depleted bluefin tuna sold for 1.8 million dollars. | ||
| Wait a minute, what does that mean? | ||
| That just means that they're trying to get them endangered because they're... | ||
| 500 pound. | ||
| A moderate sized 500 pound bluefin tuna sold for an unimaginable price of nearly 1.8 million US dollars. | ||
| A new record at a Tokyo fish auction. | ||
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Yep. | |
| Okay, so that must be because the supply is way down. | ||
| Yeah, it's because we need to stop. | ||
| I mean, as much as I love bluefin tuna, we need to farm it and we need to let it rebuild if we ever want to fish it again. | ||
| Okay, but hold on, there's some fuckery here. | ||
| It's saying supposedly the high prices paid at the annual New Year's tuna auction in Tokyo are a way to celebrate, more likely is about publicity, and do not reflect actual market price. | ||
| Nevertheless, the continued increasing price buyers are paying for bluefin tuna mirrors its increasing rarity. | ||
| Okay, so this is a really unusual circumstance for this. | ||
| It's probably fuckery. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They probably did that just so people are paying attention. | ||
| Yeah, there could be some crazy Yakuza shit going on. | ||
| The old price was pretty high anyway, though. | ||
| The old record was $740,000. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Holy fucking shit. | ||
| And that wasn't even supposedly fucked with. | ||
| That's supposedly a real record. | ||
| What's the biggest those things get? | ||
| It's got to be a thousand pounds, I think. | ||
| It's got to be. | ||
| Okay, let's find out. | ||
| World record tuna. | ||
| I'm scared now. | ||
| I'm thinking of catching it. | ||
| Could you imagine? | ||
| There's us! | ||
| You're in for a fucking fight, son! | ||
| Yeah, I think it's going to rip your arms off. | ||
| I mean, that is a thousand pound ball or whatever, but however many pounds it is, a ball of muscle that just wants to eat and... | ||
| I mean, those things could eat us. | ||
| The biggest fish I ever caught was a marlin. | ||
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How much? | |
| And it was not that big. | ||
| It was only about 70 pounds. | ||
| But it was... | ||
| My oldest daughter was a vegetarian for a little bit. | ||
| She was trying to be a vegetarian. | ||
| And I was... | ||
| You know, she's just a kind person. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And at the time, I think she's probably 12. Makes sense. | ||
| Yeah, about 12. And I say, you know what? | ||
| Let's go fishing. | ||
| I said, we'll catch a fish, we'll cook it, we'll eat it, and we'll understand sort of the cycle of life. | ||
| Because, you know, we buy things in the supermarket, and we're very disconnected from it. | ||
| But you have to understand, like, these animals, they eat each other. | ||
| And this is like, it's a natural way for people to acquire food. | ||
| And it's the way people have done it throughout history. | ||
| She tried to be like this really kind person. | ||
| So it was a moral reason. | ||
| Like, she didn't want to hurt animals. | ||
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Yeah, of course. | |
| She loves animals. | ||
| So anyway, we're fishing. | ||
| We're fishing for maybe 15 minutes. | ||
| And I hook a marlin. | ||
| Maybe 15 minutes. | ||
| That's unheard of. | ||
| People fish for years and they never catch a marlin. | ||
| It's total stupid luck because we're trolling. | ||
| It's not like no skill whatsoever. | ||
| It just happened to hit my line. | ||
| So... | ||
| We get this, Marlin, it's jumping through the air. | ||
| It's wild, man. | ||
| It's really cool. | ||
| It's not that big. | ||
| It's only like 70 pounds. | ||
| You know, maybe, yeah, maybe, I don't know how many feet long, but it's about, the guy said it was about 70 pounds. | ||
| They get hundreds, over a thousand, I think. | ||
| Well, this fucking thing, they pull it, they gaff it, they bring it in the boat, and then they beat the fucking shit. | ||
| Get the shit out of it with a club. | ||
| The way it works, we're in Hawaii. | ||
| In Hawaii, the owners of the boat, they own the fish. | ||
| If you catch fish, they'll take you and you'll enjoy it, but it's also their livelihood. | ||
| It's how they make a living. | ||
| It's a different situation than a lot of charters. | ||
| They want you to have a good time, but we know you're in a resort, and this is our livelihood. | ||
| We would like the food, too. | ||
| Is that cool? | ||
| And everybody's like, yeah, it's cool. | ||
| Because otherwise, like, sometimes the food would go to waste, and that's terrible. | ||
| And I think they recognized that really early, and they put the kibosh on it, and they said, look, people are just trying to have some fun. | ||
| Let's have them have some fun, catch some fish, but we'll eat the fish. | ||
| So they were going to take it, and apparently they bring it to a luau, and they smoke the marlin. | ||
| Poor little 12-year-old is just sitting there while this marlin gets clubbed. | ||
| And it's a big animal. | ||
| I mean, it's in a boat with us, and it's a fairly big boat. | ||
| A big, beautiful animal that, once you kill it, the color goes away. | ||
| Yeah, and it's the size of a dog. | ||
| It's like a golden retriever size. | ||
| They're beating it with clubs, and it's real, man. | ||
| It's real shit. | ||
| And when you're a 12-year-old girl wanting to be a vegetarian, that's a fucked-up thing to say. | ||
| It didn't die right away either, man. | ||
| It was flopping around. | ||
| They had ice on it. | ||
| It was fine. | ||
| It wasn't moving at all. | ||
| And then I saw it out of nowhere. | ||
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It was... | |
| Devastating. | ||
| Devastating. | ||
| And we didn't catch another fucking thing for the rest of the trip. | ||
| We caught this one marlin, and then the rest of the day was just looking down at this murder victim who's in the boat with us. | ||
| Yeah, just sitting there dead. | ||
| And then afterwards, taking photos together, this really weird look on her face. | ||
| Like, that's this fucking murder victim that we just clubbed to death. | ||
| We didn't club to death, but we aided and abetted. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| We tricked it into the boat. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| But they're, uh, apparently you can eat marlin. | ||
| Like, I didn't know. | ||
| I didn't know you can't eat them, but apparently you can. | ||
| What is the size of that one? | ||
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920 pound tuna caught last week. | |
| Oh my god! | ||
| Look at that thing! | ||
| Oh, I hope my dad's watching this. | ||
| What a fuck! | ||
| And they have to attach it to a fucking crane, ladies and gentlemen. | ||
| To get it out of the water, they hook it up to a crane. | ||
| I love killing fish, man. | ||
| Killing fish is a good time. | ||
| Well, if you grew up near the ocean, look at the size of this fucking thing! | ||
| Oh my god! | ||
| That's a tuna. | ||
| That's incredible. | ||
| What a big animal. | ||
| Jesus. | ||
| I mean, think of the speed. | ||
| Those things get so big they die off because they can't get enough food. | ||
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That's incredible. | |
| They just eat and eat and eat. | ||
| That's their whole life is spent hunting. | ||
| I mean, they are, like, you know, vicious. | ||
| What is the biggest one ever? | ||
| I have no idea. | ||
| We've got to find out now. | ||
| Biggest tuna ever caught. | ||
| It's got to be... | ||
| That one was, what, 900 and what? | ||
| It's got to be maybe 1,200, 1,300 pounds, I would think. | ||
| Let's see. | ||
| World record tuna weight. | ||
| They're so cool looking, too, man. | ||
| Can you imagine if there was, like, tuna that had four legs and would run down a field looking like that, glistening and blue, running like a bullet? | ||
| Fucking up every other animal on its path, a pack hunting, just eating lions and shit? | ||
| Could you imagine if a fucking tuna could run on ground as fast as it could swim? | ||
| That's frightening. | ||
| I always think of weird shit like that. | ||
| What if parrots were the size and they walked on all fours like dogs? | ||
| I'm afraid of birds in general because they always hate me. | ||
| You should be afraid of birds. | ||
| Birds are cunts. | ||
| They're evil, man. | ||
| They're vicious killers. | ||
| Yeah, they fucking are, man. | ||
| They're creepy. | ||
| They're creepy animals. | ||
| They don't really give a fuck about anything. | ||
| I mean, they're in a real survival of the fittest gene pool situation. | ||
| We're just lucky that they're not that big. | ||
| Imagine if birds were like the size of giraffes. | ||
| If eagles were like the size of giraffes, they would be eating people all day. | ||
| There's nothing we could do to stop them. | ||
| We'd have to kill them all. | ||
| And it sounds like a ridiculous thing to say. | ||
| Imagine the world of tuna could run. | ||
| Imagine the world of eagles the size of giraffes. | ||
| Well, guess what, asshole? | ||
| A giraffe's the size of a giraffe. | ||
| Okay? | ||
| There are animals that are that big. | ||
| We're just lucky they don't eat people. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| We're lucky they're not against us. | ||
| We probably would have never got to this place if they did. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| We're kind of tricky. | ||
| We've seemed to con our way this far. | ||
| I really don't think it would have happened. | ||
| I think we came along like we're like boxes that became heavyweights after Mike Tyson lost his prime. | ||
| We're like finding a gap. | ||
| We're like falling into this like relaxed period. | ||
| Just tiptoed our way through evolution. | ||
| It was way easier to survive after those dinosaurs got hit by that rock. | ||
| After Buster Douglas came along and he threw in Tyson, the world got a little safer, you know, back in those days. | ||
| I cried myself to sleep when that happened. | ||
| It was a weird thing to see because I watched it after the fact. | ||
| I didn't see the fight live. | ||
| I had heard what happened, and I still didn't believe it happened. | ||
| I was watching it. | ||
| I was like, he's going to get up. | ||
| He's going to kick his ass. | ||
| That's Mike Tyson. | ||
| Me and my brother both literally cried. | ||
| I turned around. | ||
| I cried, bawling to our parents. | ||
| Like, why? | ||
| Why did that happen? | ||
| I can remember the last time I got emotionally attached to a fight and I was devastated when a fighter lost. | ||
| It was Mike McCallum when he knocked out Donald Curry. | ||
| I was a big Donald Curry fan. | ||
| Donald Curry was the welterweight champion at the time. | ||
| I think they went up to 154. Donald Curry ruined his career because he kept cutting weight down to 147. He couldn't do it anymore. | ||
| He couldn't do it anymore. | ||
| He had... | ||
| Those fights with... | ||
| Not McCown, but who was the other... | ||
| There was another really strong welterweight, a cronk fighter from that era. | ||
| And he knocked that dude out. | ||
| And Donald Curry emerged as the top pound-for-pound guy. | ||
| But then he fought Lloyd Huntington. | ||
| And he was just too dehydrated. | ||
| He couldn't fucking do it anymore. | ||
| He just wasn't the same guy. | ||
| And everybody's like, that's the top pound-for-pound fighter? | ||
| And that one beating to Lloyd Huntington, he never was the same again. | ||
| He went up to 154. And then he didn't have the physical advantages that he had at 47. And... | ||
| When you see the UFC and you see that, especially in higher weight classes, there's big gaps in between the weight classes. | ||
| What would you like it? | ||
| If someone could allow you to create the optimum weight divisions, what do you think it would be? | ||
| I mean... | ||
| See, you just don't want too many, you know? | ||
| But I think there would be... | ||
| We would really figure out who is pound for pound the best, you know? | ||
| But at the same time, maybe 10 pounds? | ||
| Because boxing, there's so many champions, it just gets diluted. | ||
| And boxing as a sport in general is... | ||
| Well, boxing has a bunch of different sanctioning bodies, too. | ||
| That's where it gets really weird. | ||
| It's almost weirder there because of that than it is because of the amount of weight classes. | ||
| Yeah, it's all of it. | ||
| It's just all of a clusterfuck, you know? | ||
| Yeah, people don't realize how many weight classes there are in boxing, but it's crazy. | ||
| They start at like 106, right? | ||
| I think so. | ||
| What's like light flyweight? | ||
| It's got to be something. | ||
| They start at like really light, and they go all the way up to 195, and then heavyweight, and that's the deviation. | ||
| Like the UFC, the only gap they have that's more interesting is the 205 to 265. Yeah, that's where they need to put at least, I think, a weight class. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| A 240 or something. | ||
| And I think also in between 85 and 205 would be good. | ||
| I think so, yeah. | ||
| I could see that because, you know, just make it every 10 pounds. | ||
| I think so, too. | ||
| That would work. | ||
| I think so, too. | ||
| And I think that a big example of that is between 55 and 170. Especially as you get low in percentage of body weight, those jumps between that one and the 185 to light heavy weight, those are big jumps, man. | ||
| Yeah, 15 pounds is a lot of person. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And it's also, you're seeing these guys who are making these cuts to get to 205. Say a guy like John Jones, he's coming down from like 225, 230. Yeah. | ||
| Like, big as shit at 205. And if you're, like, kind of, like, don't want to cut weight, but you're really a 185-er, and you see him, you go, oh, God, no, I gotta lose the weight now. | ||
| Like, you gotta be realistic about this. | ||
| Yeah, and especially because the way the sports have evolved, people get stuck in certain weight classes because they're good for that weight class. | ||
| And then they try and cut weight, or they try and gain weight, and then they end up not having the advantages, you know, that they had before. | ||
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| And they don't work on it or they don't have it at all. | ||
| They just can't get it. | ||
| So then they end up getting beat up by someone smaller or something like that. | ||
| What is it like to be a part of this sport right now for you as a top-level professional fighter? | ||
| Because it's a really interesting time as far as the sport. | ||
| It's evolved to this point. | ||
| Where there's clearly the best athletes that have ever been involved in MMA or involved in MMA now. | ||
| And the level of fighting and competition is as high as it's ever been before now. | ||
| Oh, by far. | ||
| But you've had a chance to see it from the outside for a long-ass time. | ||
| What is it like for you now? | ||
| You know, the evolution of the people, of the fighters... | ||
| I think as a country, I think we're getting pussified. | ||
| You know, kids aren't allowed to get in fistfights. | ||
| I think it's a rite of passage for young men to get in fistfights, you know, and not jump each other. | ||
| I'm talking no weapons. | ||
| Just, you know, just duke it out and deal with your problems. | ||
| Some people don't want to do that, though, and they don't want to be harassed by people who want to beat people up. | ||
| Well, if they don't want to, they shouldn't have to. | ||
| Right, but how do you stop that, though? | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| But I'm just saying, we're building better athletes in the gym, but we have to now, which I get as a good thing, if we want to build a tough kid, if we want to make him tough, we'll build him in the gym. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And maybe that is a good thing, because not only is he going to be tough, but he's not going to be a dick like I used to be. | ||
| Right, yeah. | ||
| Because, like I said, I started out beating up bullies, and then I ended up just being a bully. | ||
| Mm-hmm. | ||
| I'm glad you're really honest about that, man. | ||
| I think it's really important because I think, you know, there's a lot of kids out there that are fighting that watch a guy like you and look up to you and when maybe they might be on a similar path and they hear that and they can learn from your mistakes. | ||
| Yeah, I've made just about every mistake there is, you know, whether it's that or dying of drugs, you know, drug overdose or whatever, or Whatever. | ||
| I've done a lot of things. | ||
| There's so many things that I feel like I can share. | ||
| If I can help one person change, that'll work. | ||
| Obviously, I'd like to help as many as possible. | ||
| Especially the people that are closest to me. | ||
| We've got some amateur guys that I'm trying to turn into super athletes. | ||
| They already are, but just get them focused and ready and not make any mistakes. | ||
| It's very difficult for a fighter to transition from being a fighter to mainstream life, to going back to being a regular person with a regular job who doesn't have those big crazy thrills every few months. | ||
| You just have sort of like this weird steady drip of life juice instead of this wild rollercoaster rush that everybody knows you can only stay on for so long. | ||
| But the thing that I always try to stress with people is that like one of the best things about martial arts is the development of the ability to do something good. | ||
| To be good at something and know what it's like to be good at something. | ||
| And then from there, you knew how hard it was to get good. | ||
| You didn't start out good. | ||
| You started out shitty. | ||
| But you got better. | ||
| And you got better. | ||
| And that understanding of that is so important for everything. | ||
| Don't look at the finish line and go, I'm never going to get there. | ||
| Look at progress. | ||
| And you can get anywhere. | ||
| As long as there's not some crazy physical limitation. | ||
| Yeah, that's what I tell people, because they always turn to me for rehab stories, you know, drug stories or whatever, because I've been to two rehabs and whatnot. | ||
| How old are you? | ||
| 29. How old were you when you went through your first rehab? | ||
| I was 19, I think. | ||
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Wow. | |
| What was it for? | ||
| I got caught with some pills. | ||
| I was a pill guy. | ||
| It was just through the court. | ||
| I had to check in and I got kicked out of some class things and they put me in an outpatient rehab program. | ||
| The second one was in between WBC and Tachi when I became world champ. | ||
| I got in trouble. | ||
| You know, got arrested. | ||
| Was looking at probably going to prison for, you know, like three to five for just doing some dumb shit. | ||
| And I had a record, so me doing anything bad would put me in prison. | ||
| So I checked myself into rehab. | ||
| And they were like, oh, good job, little buddy. | ||
| You know, pat on the head. | ||
| You can stay there for six months. | ||
| And it was a live-in. | ||
| And at first it was just escape. | ||
| Just a scapegoat for me not to go to prison. | ||
| But then it actually helped. | ||
| The people there helped me. | ||
| The program helped me. | ||
| It just helped me get my life together. | ||
| I had to be sober. | ||
| I stayed sober for a long time. | ||
| It was good for me. | ||
| It actually gave me some perspective on life because I was just such a mess for so long. | ||
| But isn't it crazy to be a guy who's such a mess and is wild and with this really self-destructive style of living, especially with regards to drugs and your body, but you're a professional athlete. | ||
| A high-level professional athlete. | ||
| I don't know how it worked for so long. | ||
| Yeah, how the fuck did it work for so long? | ||
| Um... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Really, I mean, I'm like a cockroach or something. | ||
| There's something inherently... | ||
| I don't know if it's right or wrong. | ||
| I hope nobody tries to imitate it. | ||
| Yeah, do not do what I've done. | ||
| Yeah, learn. | ||
| Learn from that. | ||
| Don't do that. | ||
| I'm a walking mistake. | ||
| Go to the gym, bitch. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Get to the gym first. | ||
| If I would have spent those extra, I mean, hours that I was doing stupid things... | ||
| Believe me, I've done calculations to everything. | ||
| I could have put in that, because they say it's 10,000 hours to master something, you know? | ||
| So I could have put an extra 10,000 hours into jiu-jitsu, an extra 10,000 into kickboxing, an extra 10,000 into wrestling. | ||
| If I would have done that, because I've been training for that long, I could have fit that in there, I would make everyone else look silly. | ||
| Well, don't you think, though, that there's something about you that is the way you are because of the adversity that you've gone through? | ||
| Of course. | ||
| I wouldn't change a thing. | ||
| I'm just saying that. | ||
| Right, but isn't that weird? | ||
| It is weird, yeah. | ||
| I would be the motherfucker of motherfuckers, but I'd be a choir boy. | ||
| I'd probably go crazy from that because I wasn't doing anything nuts. | ||
| Yeah, and then this beast would show up now and it would just blow it all. | ||
| That happens to a lot of guys too, right? | ||
| They get it instead of on the way up. | ||
| They get it once they get up. | ||
| They get there and they're like, oh, this is too much fun. | ||
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Rah! | |
| Should have never given you money. | ||
| Yeah, there's a lot of those dudes out there. | ||
| They should have never given you money, dudes. | ||
| Especially crazy, wild, impulsive athletes and fighters. | ||
| Like the Tyson stories. | ||
| The dude got tigers. | ||
| He had his own tigers. | ||
| He had like the most legendary stories of spending money. | ||
| $200 million. | ||
| Where did it go? | ||
| Have you seen his show that he does? | ||
| No. | ||
| Oh, his stand-up show? | ||
| His one-man show. | ||
| No, I heard it's awesome. | ||
| I heard it's incredible. | ||
| Yeah, I really want to see it. | ||
| Dana White called me up after. | ||
| He goes, dude, it's one of the greatest things I've ever seen in my life. | ||
| He goes, it's fucking amazing. | ||
| He goes, Spike Lee, I guess, directed it. | ||
| Is that what happened? | ||
| Yeah, I think so. | ||
| And they put it together. | ||
| It's a fucking show. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And it's really entertaining. | ||
| It's just him, isn't it? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He puts up a number. | ||
| Whether it's $200 or $300 million, he puts up a number on the thing, and this giant screen, he goes, that's how much I lost. | ||
| $300 million or $200 million or whatever it was. | ||
| $100 million, whatever. | ||
| It's an insane amount of money. | ||
| He just spent it. | ||
| He just spent it. | ||
| Remember when he bought a Bentley and crashed it and then gave it to the cop? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| My taste is all scratched up. | ||
| I'm like, not interested. | ||
| This thing's a piece of shit now. | ||
| I don't even want it. | ||
| Here you have it. | ||
| It's going to cost me $100 to fix. | ||
| He used to wear furs and shit. | ||
| He used to walk around like Jack Dempsey style. | ||
| With the hat and the jacket. | ||
| Yeah, like Jack Johnson. | ||
| When Jack Johnson was a heavyweight champ and was hanging out with all these white chicks. | ||
| Nobody did it. | ||
| They were trying to make those laws so he couldn't count the state lines. | ||
| Dude, people don't even know. | ||
| Have you ever seen, was it Unforgivable Blackness? | ||
| Is that what the documentary is called? | ||
| What is the documentary called? | ||
| I need to quote it because it's an amazing documentary. | ||
| Just Blackness, Jack Johnson. | ||
| Boy, am I going to jail if they're fucking doing Google search on my shit. | ||
| Yeah, I don't remember who made it. | ||
| I want to say it was Ken Burns. | ||
| Because, you know, he does a lot of those. | ||
| Unforgivable Blackness. | ||
| That's what it's called. | ||
| Is it Ken Burns? | ||
| I don't know if I saw it on Netflix or TV, but I saw it pretty recently. | ||
| Oh, it's amazing. | ||
| It's amazing. | ||
| It's incredible. | ||
| I mean, people don't realize what a bad motherfucker this guy was and what incredible racism he encountered. | ||
| Like, the racism that fighters encounter today or people encounter today. | ||
| Like, here's a perfect example. | ||
| The recent thing with Oprah Winfrey. | ||
| Do you know about this thing? | ||
| No. | ||
| It's, you know, they should have done it. | ||
| She went to a store in Switzerland or some shit. | ||
| Is that where it was? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And she, there was a purse. | ||
| It was a very expensive purse. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And she asked to see it. | ||
| And the store clerk said, oh, you can't afford that purse. | ||
| You don't even want to look at it. | ||
| You should look at something less money. | ||
| And Oprah was like, oh shit, really? | ||
| Okay, that's the kind of racism that Oprah has. | ||
| What Jack Johnson experience is like, it's like, to these people, they wanted him dead. | ||
| And slavery had just ended, like, inside of their lifetime, 1865. So you're dealing with just a few decades later, and all of a sudden there's this dude just knocking white dudes senseless and taking these white chicks and impaling them on this fucking... | ||
| The fucking super dick, the likes of which white women had never seen before. | ||
| They were just following him around and falling out of his car while he was driving down the street. | ||
| I mean, he was like the first black guy ever with a dope car. | ||
| Exactly, to cross that border and just kill it. | ||
| And he just did it like, fuck you, what are you going to do about it? | ||
| He would take them across state lines and try to get them for all kinds of shit. | ||
| Transporting white women across dirt lines that they drove. | ||
| The government was after you. | ||
| For sleeping with white women. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You're winning, sir. | ||
| It's a sad, sad movie. | ||
| And then at the end when he throws a fight, you know, you could tell he throws a fight. | ||
| No, it wasn't Jess Willard. | ||
| Who was it that he threw? | ||
| I don't remember. | ||
| I don't remember. | ||
| But I don't want to tell you, in fact, even if I did remember, you should watch it. | ||
| Go get it. | ||
| It's an amazing documentary. | ||
| And it's just, we see like those old Jack Johnson fights. | ||
| Or you see Jack Dempsey's old fights. | ||
| Like, boy, you're dealing with a totally different kind of human being back then. | ||
| It was a lot different. | ||
| They were animals! | ||
| I think we're slowly losing that piece of us. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, with whatever it is that's everything. | ||
| Everything is taking it away from us, but we're slowly losing that killer instinct. | ||
| Well, you know, it's funny that Tyson latched on to Jack Dempsey. | ||
| Jack Dempsey was one of his main heroes and his main idols for that style of fighting, that just ferocious, mauling style. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| You know, and Tyson sort of recognized that he was a throwback. | ||
| I mean, you think about that in the 80s. | ||
| And then you look at, like, Jack Dempsey was doing it when there was no TVs. | ||
| You know? | ||
| They found out about fights from the radio. | ||
| Yeah, he was doing that exact thing that long ago. | ||
| You were either there in person, or you were listening to guys talk. | ||
| Jack Dempsey with a left! | ||
| Jack Dempsey! | ||
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He's down! | |
| I mean, I guess it was all word of mouth. | ||
| It was all back then. | ||
| It had to have been. | ||
| Did you see that photo that somebody posted on the underground the other day of a fight from 1913? | ||
| Did you see that shit? | ||
| I don't think so. | ||
| With MMA or boxing? | ||
| Do you know that? | ||
| Can you find it? | ||
| It's on my Instagram. | ||
| If you go to my Instagram, it's a dude named Irish Roddy. | ||
| It's a boxing match. | ||
| And it's a boxing match from, you know, 1913 that they've turned into a color image. | ||
| They've processed it and made it true to life. | ||
| It's fucking incredible. | ||
| I'll put it up here for you. | ||
| Look at this shit. | ||
| Look at that picture. | ||
| Holy shit. | ||
| Yeah, holy shit is right. | ||
| It's incredible. | ||
| That was back when they used to fight like 50 fucking rounds. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Right? | ||
| I mean, didn't they have like some crazy fights back then? | ||
| What was the most amount of rounds you think anybody ever fought back in those days? | ||
| Probably 50 or 60. What the fuck? | ||
| I mean, those guys look like they're on the verge of beating each other to death. | ||
| Very close. | ||
| But I've seen some UFC fights that look like that too. | ||
| Joe Stevenson and BJ Penn. | ||
| At the end of that fight, it looked like Joe Stevenson got murdered. | ||
| Especially those forehead cuts. | ||
| Forehead cuts are responsible for some of the craziest, most ridiculous scenes in the octagon ever. | ||
| What did Bigfoot Silva's manager say? | ||
| His head is well irrigated? | ||
| It's just squirting blood out of his giant noggin? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| No shit. | ||
| That was a crazy one. | ||
| Longest boxing match ever. | ||
| Let's find out. | ||
| Match ever. | ||
| Boy, I'm good at typing. | ||
| What was the longest boxing match in history? | ||
| Oh my god! | ||
| A boxing match lasted seven hours! | ||
| How many... | ||
| I can't do the math. | ||
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What the fuck is that? | |
| Is that real? | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| Listen to this. | ||
| The longest boxing match ever took place in New Orleans on April 6th of 1893. | ||
| The match was between Andy Bowen and Jack Burke, both of whom claimed the lightweight title after the reigning champ Jack McAuliffe. | ||
| All ofy. | ||
| All ofy. | ||
| Jack McAuliffe retired. | ||
| The winner of this take-all purse was set at $2,500. | ||
| And in order to decide who was really the new champion, the match was set to fought to a finish. | ||
| They fought to a finish. | ||
| I like that. | ||
| All through the contest, fighters went at each other aggressively, pounding each other with their gloves, inflicting and sustaining tremendous punishment. | ||
| That read like someone wrote it with their pants off. | ||
| Just vigorously masturbating. | ||
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Just oiled up and shaved. | |
| Three minute rounds wore off. | ||
| Oh my god, they went to 111 rounds. | ||
| Both fighters, dazed and weary, gave up and did not come out of their corner. | ||
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Pussies! | |
| Well, you can't fight 112th round. | ||
| One more round. | ||
| There had to be one guy telling them, just get up, Rocky, and you'll win! | ||
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Guinness says it's 276 rounds in 1825. Ah, but that's English people lying. | |
| Mate, we had it much longer than that. | ||
| Our endurance is superior. | ||
| We have proper boxing training. | ||
| That sounded more South African. | ||
| So maybe they're right, man. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Whoever fought over 100 rounds is the craziest fucking human being that's ever lived. | ||
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Yeah, that fight was only four and a half hours. | |
| Oh, that's weird. | ||
| What are they, like 30 second rounds? | ||
| That doesn't even make sense. | ||
| I can't even do the math. | ||
| I'm not going to try. | ||
| 2,500 bucks. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| For the welterweight championship of the world. | ||
| Or lightweight, rather. | ||
| That's a good question. | ||
| It's a very good question. | ||
| I bet it'd be like a million bucks. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Isn't that weird? | ||
| Like, when you hear about, like, economies imploding, and then all of a sudden, like, a loaf of bread's worth a million dollars. | ||
| Doesn't make sense. | ||
| How the fuck? | ||
| What does that even mean? | ||
| Yeah, I don't even understand how people have billions of dollars. | ||
| How does that number even a real number? | ||
| And can I... How do you... | ||
| Pull out a billion dollars in cash. | ||
| Let me see. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| At a certain point in time, you have to admit that you hacked the game. | ||
| Okay? | ||
| You hacked the game somehow, dude. | ||
| How'd you get $10 billion? | ||
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Yeah, this isn't... | |
| I don't understand. | ||
| When, you know, your guy like Bill Gates, you have a submarine... | ||
| Inside your giant boat. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| You're like, hey, what happened here? | ||
| What exactly did you do? | ||
| Where are you getting all that money? | ||
| This isn't fair. | ||
| You have escape pods in your house to jettison you to the middle of the fucking ocean whenever fucking danger shows up. | ||
| Yeah, you have a constant team of security detail around you. | ||
| That's like having a bank around you all the time. | ||
| Bill Gates is worth, what, $100 billion or something crazy like that? | ||
| Him dropping $40,000, he shouldn't pick it up kind of thing. | ||
| Yeah, that's what they say. | ||
| If he drops $40,000, it's worth more of his time to keep moving forward than it is to turn around and pick it up. | ||
| What happened was he just didn't turn around to pick up the bonus I just got almost for bludgeoning another man for 15 minutes. | ||
| If he dropped that, he wouldn't pick it up. | ||
| It is crazy if you think about how much more difficult MMA is than almost every other job that you have to do Physically, like besides being a soldier or a cop or a fireman, where you're really putting your life in danger on a daily basis with fires and bullets, take all those out, and then ambulance driver, pretty fucking dangerous. | ||
| There's a few race car drivers, dangerous as shit. | ||
| But MMA fighter's a fucking scary one. | ||
| That's one of the most dangerous jobs you can have, other than like crab fishing, those fucking crazy assholes. | ||
| Yeah, but the- Deadliest Catch guys. | ||
| Deadliest Catch guys. | ||
| Those guys are nuts. | ||
| They're secluded out there for a reason. | ||
| Are you friends with Guida? | ||
| We don't talk or anything, but he's a cool dude. | ||
| He's a great guy. | ||
| Clay Guida did that shit for like a year. | ||
| He went to test his metal. | ||
| Went out and was a fucking crabber. | ||
| Crazy fuck. | ||
| He's the kind of guy who would just be like, that sounds like fun. | ||
| I'm going to make some cash. | ||
| Cool. | ||
| Okay, I got to go. | ||
| Stop moving. | ||
| Yeah, that dude's got some endurance. | ||
| Imagine him just on the boat the whole time doing that. | ||
| I've seen him blow off more energy at a weigh-in than I have from a real workout. | ||
| Like a real workout like today, I'm going to have some coffee, I'm going to really work out. | ||
| Meanwhile, he gets more cardio in on the way up to the scale. | ||
| And he's always fucking like super energetic where everybody else is dried out. | ||
| You know, they're cutting weight and Guida wasn't much bigger than 155. He has ridiculous endurance. | ||
| Yeah, he's just... | ||
| That's one of those natural things that... | ||
| He's never at rest anyways. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He's a nut. | ||
| It's just... | ||
| It's constant. | ||
| His rest is active. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| So he's never going to get tired. | ||
| He's a great fucking guy, too. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Great guy. | ||
| Very, very fun dude to hang out with. | ||
| And he drives like he fights. | ||
| You ever drive with him? | ||
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No. | |
| He's awesome. | ||
| He drives you like, alright, Clay Guida! | ||
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Yeah! | |
| Close my eyes and just hold on. | ||
| Fucking Chicago savages. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's a different breed of human. | ||
| Is that what it is? | ||
| Yeah, those Illinois people are animals, bro. | ||
| I've never been there. | ||
| It's cold as fuck. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| Those cities where it's really cold and there's a lot of people, it takes a hardy motherfucker to rise above in those spots. | ||
| Yeah, it wouldn't last. | ||
| I'm eaten alive. | ||
| Growing up here, you grew up in paradise. | ||
| This is the greatest weather in the history of the universe. | ||
| It's great, but you miss that adversity that you get from dealing with the weather. | ||
| There's like a knowledge that it's out there. | ||
| That we don't have. | ||
| We're like oblivious out here. | ||
| We're like, ah, it's sunny another day, whatever! | ||
| My stepdad, for instance, world-renowned hunter and tracker. | ||
| He's almost 80 years old. | ||
| He's this mountain of a man, was in the CIA, and he's a mason, and he's just this... | ||
| That guy, my mom met him being a chef at his wilderness hunting lodge in the middle of BFE in Alaska. | ||
| Like, the guy... | ||
| I've seen pictures of him with polar bear he killed. | ||
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Oh, my God. | |
| He's just this big mountain man. | ||
| Polar bear? | ||
| Holy shit. | ||
| Yeah, I actually have a polar bear rug. | ||
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That's crazy. | |
| I don't have a house to put it in yet. | ||
| But, I mean, it's just... | ||
| That's like... | ||
| That guy is just weathered. | ||
| You don't eat polar bear, do you? | ||
| Do you eat it? | ||
| I don't think so. | ||
| I think he just... | ||
| Back then, he's almost 80, so back then it was okay. | ||
| He doesn't hunt anymore. | ||
| Back then, we owned black people, we shot polar bears, whatever, don't worry about it. | ||
| It's okay. | ||
| We drove drunk, shooting polar bears out the window of the car. | ||
| Yeah, you're supposed to hunt certain predator bears, though. | ||
| They have to keep their numbers down. | ||
| People don't like that idea, but it does become a real problem. | ||
| There's like the game wardens in these areas and the Department of Fish and Game. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They're very meticulous about keeping track of numbers of both animals that are prey like deer. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And then animals that are also predators like cats and bears and shit like that. | ||
| And they're pretty good at figuring out how to manage that stuff. | ||
| But you have to kill some of them, unfortunately. | ||
| I understand that people hate that idea because they're so beautiful and majestic. | ||
| But the reality of biology is that there has to be a certain balance of predator and prey. | ||
| Because if there's not, then we become in danger. | ||
| They are going to come fuck us up. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And nobody likes that idea. | ||
| People that are like, especially like people who are animal rights people or people love animals. | ||
| There's a lot of people that their dogs are like their best fucking friends. | ||
| It's the only thing that they can count on for love. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| That's not even a bad thing. | ||
| No, it's not a bad thing. | ||
| It's true. | ||
| So I understand where they're coming from. | ||
| You would think about a bear as just like a big dog, but it's a big dog that will eat your asshole. | ||
| That thing doesn't give a shit about you. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| It wants to eat you. | ||
| Yeah, it's a heartless monster. | ||
| And for the most part... | ||
| They're harmless. | ||
| You don't go near them. | ||
| You stay away from them. | ||
| For the most part, you're right. | ||
| We're going to be fine. | ||
| But the reality is when they get to a certain number and they start taking down elk in front of people at the campsite. | ||
| Scaring the shit out of everybody. | ||
| You ever see a 12-foot bear take out a moose? | ||
| I haven't either. | ||
| I've never forgot this. | ||
| Pull this shit up, Jamie. | ||
| It's a bear eats a moose in a driveway. | ||
| Dude. | ||
| Okay? | ||
| Just dude. | ||
| Imagine. | ||
| Imagine you're living in Alaska, okay? | ||
| I'm 5'8", okay? | ||
| I stood next to a moose, and its dick was over my head. | ||
| They're gigantic! | ||
| I went to Alaska when I was a kid. | ||
| That place is fucking beautiful. | ||
| They're gigantic. | ||
| I mean, I didn't get really close enough to a moose to get its dick over my head, but look at this. | ||
| But this moose, which is gigantic, okay, is killed by a grizzly bear in this guy's fucking driveway. | ||
| So could you imagine? | ||
| There's a thing that's, oh, you know, whatever, ten times the size of a deer, and it gets killed by a giant wild dog. | ||
| That's essentially what a bear is. | ||
| A giant bulletproof wild dog. | ||
| Moose are what, like 12 feet tall? | ||
| They're fucking huge! | ||
| It's a huge animal. | ||
| That's not the biggest moose in the world. | ||
| And it's a female. | ||
| It's still a moose. | ||
| It's a big fucking animal. | ||
| And what's really crazy about bear is bear eat moose alive. | ||
| They eat all the animals they kill alive. | ||
| A lot of times they go guts first. | ||
| They don't even bother killing the animal. | ||
| They just start eating them. | ||
| You look at the size of that fucking thing. | ||
| Just ripping chunks off of this moose. | ||
| He's eating the guts now. | ||
| That's what they go for the first... | ||
| But they're everywhere up there. | ||
| And it comes a time where the wildlife people determine that, okay, the population is too high. | ||
| And so we have to manage this. | ||
| What is that? | ||
| They dragged it away? | ||
| Wow, look how they dragged it away. | ||
| Look at the size of it. | ||
| Back that up so it puts it in perspective. | ||
| Oh my god, look at them dragging it away. | ||
| Look how big it is! | ||
| You don't realize how big it is because the bear is so fucking big. | ||
| But when they drag it away, you're like, holy shit, how big is that bear? | ||
| Now let's go back to the bear. | ||
| Go back to the bear. | ||
| Look how big the bear is. | ||
| God damn, how big is that fucking bear? | ||
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Oh! | |
| That's a big bear, dude. | ||
| Literally a fucking 600 pound angry dog with bigger claws and teeth. | ||
| Look at the size of that thing! | ||
| Now that you know how big that fucking moose is! | ||
| In comparison to a car, that bear is huge! | ||
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Oh, fuck! | |
| God damn! | ||
| Fuck living in Alaska! | ||
| My mom was saying when she went to go hunt a doll sheep, that, of course my stepdad's not going to tell her, but a bear was tracking them the whole time. | ||
| Of course, yeah. | ||
| The whole time. | ||
| And she's like, oh, we're wading through thick, brushed shit, and just, you know. | ||
| I wonder why. | ||
| I started telling the story. | ||
| I was like, man, that's fucking frightening. | ||
| Something wants to eat you. | ||
| It's so crazy because you can get there at the wrong place in the wrong time. | ||
| You can get there when there's an old bear that can't catch moose or deer anymore and they have worn out teeth and they see you and they're like, oh, I can catch you. | ||
| And then they just eat you. | ||
| And especially when it's late in the season, they say, that's when it gets really desperado. | ||
| Bears will eat their cubs. | ||
| They get really desperate because there's no food and they can't catch any fish. | ||
| There's no salmon left and they're starving to death. | ||
| And so they'll fucking eat everything in front of them. | ||
| You can catch them in that really intense desperation because they're the last animals that haven't hibernated. | ||
| The healthy fat bears. | ||
| Grizzly Man? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| I talk about that every week. | ||
| I can't talk about it anymore, unfortunately. | ||
| I'm just saying, it was like that. | ||
| That was the exact storyline. | ||
| The guy stayed way too long. | ||
| He was there in October or November or some shit like that when they're supposed to already be sleeping. | ||
| Yeah, that's a weird thing, man, to live in the presence of those crazy beasts. | ||
| My favorite shows are all these subsistence shows, like Alaska, The Last Frontier. | ||
| It's one of my favorite shows. | ||
| I get giddy like a little schoolgirl when that shit's on. | ||
| I gotta watch it. | ||
| It's these people, they live. | ||
| It's a bunch of families. | ||
| The Kitchener family. | ||
| And I believe, like, Jewel, you know that beautiful singer, incredible voice? | ||
| She is, like, related to these people. | ||
| Fascinating. | ||
| But... | ||
| These folks live in a really remote part of Alaska, and they have a homestead where they're responsible for everything. | ||
| They're responsible for all their own repairs and their equipment. | ||
| They get all their own meat from either cows that they have to butcher, because they run cattle, or animals that they hunt, whether they hunt bear or moose. | ||
| And they have very specific chores they do, and they have maybe four or five months a year where they're just trying to keep it together, and then it's bundle up for the cold. | ||
| And their whole life is about preparing for the cold. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And they're just fucking storing fish, and every day is just a mad dash, getting up at six, pulling nets of fish in, freezing them, smoking them. | ||
| Everybody's working around the clock, and then the fucking frost comes in. | ||
| The river freezes over the point where you drive cars on it. | ||
| It's gangster cold up there. | ||
| I've got to watch that. | ||
| It's amazing. | ||
| I'm a dork for it, dude. | ||
| Well, my mom went through it. | ||
| Your mom went through it? | ||
| Well, because she was living and being the chef at the hunting lodge. | ||
| God damn. | ||
| In the middle of nowhere. | ||
| I mean, you know, she was living in Alaska for a while. | ||
| And obviously Jim's, you know, I'm sure listening to this, he's old, but yeah, he was up there forever. | ||
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Wow. | |
| You know, I mean, that's, the harsh climates are, I don't, I like Southern California way too much. | ||
| There's something amazing about the people that come from those spots, though. | ||
| They have a different, there's a different, Sort of like mentality that they possess. | ||
| For a pussy like me, it's so attractive. | ||
| It's like, wow, this guy doesn't have a bank account. | ||
| He's got some beaver skins. | ||
| He's got to trade for gasoline for his fucking snowmobile. | ||
| And he's driving around where it's 80 below zero and he's running traps. | ||
| And that's how he feeds his kids. | ||
| This guy, there's a fucking show called Mountain Men where this guy takes a plane every winter. | ||
| He flies. | ||
| He leaves his family behind. | ||
| He flies for months and camps out in the woods. | ||
| He's got, like, these shacks up there, and he runs these trap lines and just kills animals. | ||
| In the wintertime, it's, like, apparently easier to kill them because they're desperado, and they go and find the bait and snap down on them. | ||
| And this guy just takes it all and freezes them and skins them and then brings them back home. | ||
| He lives out there by himself for months and months at a time. | ||
| No phone. | ||
| No nothing. | ||
| Just a wood house. | ||
| A wood house and a snowmobile. | ||
| Jesus. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And this part of you is like, could you do it? | ||
| Could you do it? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I guess you could if you had to. | ||
| Like, if that was your life. | ||
| If there was no way around it. | ||
| If it's like, listen, you know, they came to you and said, hey, there's a fucking, there's an ice age coming. | ||
| There's nothing we can do about it. | ||
| We gotta figure it out. | ||
| We're gonna have to figure it out. | ||
| We're gonna have to about four months out of the year to gather up food. | ||
| And then it's gonna be 80 below zero by the time December comes around. | ||
| I can't do it. | ||
| I can't do it. | ||
| Well, those people are going to die off. | ||
| Because you know what? | ||
| People are doing that in Anchorage. | ||
| Go up there. | ||
| Go to Fairbanks. | ||
| Go up there. | ||
| There's a whole city. | ||
| There's a whole city where it gets so cold that you could freeze to death while you go to get your mail. | ||
| Jesus Christ. | ||
| You can freeze to death. | ||
| They all carry candles in their car and shit. | ||
| If you get trapped somewhere, you've got to light a candle. | ||
| You can't just sit in your car. | ||
| You'll freeze to death. | ||
| You'll freeze to death. | ||
| Damn. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I didn't know that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's not even... | ||
| I mean, I would love... | ||
| I want to learn to bow hunt and go kill and eat my food, but I definitely want to come home and bring it home to my beach house. | ||
| Air-conditioned house by the beach. | ||
| With the breeze and the nice... | ||
| Did your dad take you on hunts and fishing trips? | ||
| He came into my life, my stepdad, the hunter, later on. | ||
| That's my goal is to now eventually take him on one last hunt. | ||
| Because the man's bulletproof. | ||
| Because he doesn't hunt anymore. | ||
| I want to go up to Alaska and I don't want to kill anything, like a bear or anything. | ||
| I don't want to kill something. | ||
| I'm just going to eat like a deer or elk. | ||
| Caribou? | ||
| You can get a caribou. | ||
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Yeah, caribou. | |
| Get something. | ||
| A doll sheep. | ||
| But something difficult. | ||
| But my dad on the other side, we were just all fishing. | ||
| So we're always hunting something. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| And it's definitely, I love doing it. | ||
| I also need to go fishing again. | ||
| Do you feel like that that's a primal thing too? | ||
| I mean, not obviously on the same level as fighting, but there's something about the satisfaction that you get from acquiring your own food. | ||
| It's a very primal thing. | ||
| It's the most intimate thing you can share with another creature is taking its life. | ||
| You sound like a fucking psycho. | ||
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Ha ha ha ha! | |
| It's true. | ||
| If I was a fucking FBI profiler, I'm like, yeah, I'm going to follow your Twitter from here on out, pal. | ||
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What? | |
| It's true, because you get to send it off. | ||
| You get to kill something and eat it. | ||
| No, I know what you mean. | ||
| I'm fucking with you. | ||
| Obviously, we're joking around, but I know what you mean. | ||
| I killed a deer for the first time in my life last winter. | ||
| And it's a very intimate feeling when you've eaten the liver of an animal that you just shot a couple hours ago. | ||
| It's weird. | ||
| It tastes fucking delicious. | ||
| It tastes unbelievably delicious. | ||
| And the reality is it's the most ethical way to approach it because that animal is probably not going to survive much longer anyway. | ||
| It gets un-fucking-believably cold in Montana in the winter and a lot of them just freeze to death. | ||
| There's a fucked up picture, Jamie. | ||
| Have you seen this shit of an elk frozen to death standing up? | ||
| Yeah, you want to know how brutal Colorado gets, bitch? | ||
| Check this shit out. | ||
| There's an elk that they found that froze to death, like trying to cross a lake or something like that, like standing up, frozen. | ||
| It was trying to, whatever it was, maybe tall snow, and it stuck standing up, and animals have eaten big chunks off of it, so it is like this freaky carcass of this standing up zombie elk that has these chunks taken out of its body, but it's frozen standing up. | ||
| You find it? | ||
| How dare you. | ||
| You got it? | ||
| Let me see it. | ||
| This is going to freak you out. | ||
| I'm sure there's people that have some more MMA questions. | ||
| You guys are going to fucking stop talking about animals, Rogan. | ||
| Talk about MMA, you fucking queer. | ||
| Hey, don't be mean. | ||
| You hater, folks. | ||
| Look at this. | ||
| Look at that fucking elk, dude. | ||
| Are you shitting me? | ||
| Can you see it in that picture? | ||
| Is there a better picture? | ||
| There's got to be a better picture than that, man. | ||
| See if you can find the actual picture, because the actual picture, the high-res picture, is fucking crazy. | ||
| This thing's frozen, standing up, and big chunks are bitten off of it. | ||
| My point is, we're such pussies here in California. | ||
| It's true. | ||
| It is true. | ||
| When it comes to weather. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| But, on the other hand... | ||
| It's a great place to develop if you're an MMA fighter. | ||
| There's a picture. | ||
| Holy shit. | ||
| It's even crazier than it looked. | ||
| I mean, they're eating holes straight through it. | ||
| Yeah, it's just the body. | ||
| You can see the spine and the organs are all missing. | ||
| In the top area, like, by the spine and the organs are all, like, chewed out. | ||
| Of course the asshole's eaten. | ||
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Of course. | |
| It's delicious. | ||
| They're right to it. | ||
| What you gonna do, bitch? | ||
| They probably ate the asshole before it even died. | ||
| Like, oh, shit, what we got here, Sorp. | ||
| I'm a bear. | ||
| Actually, if it was a bear, there'd be nothing. | ||
| That has to be probably coyotes or something like that, because they didn't even knock it over or chew through the bone. | ||
| Wolves would have probably chewed right through the bone. | ||
| What am I, a wildlife expert? | ||
| Listen to me, like I'm a fucking, like I'm the crocodile hunter, like a zoologist or some shit. | ||
| The fuck, son? | ||
| Let me ask you about some upcoming fights. | ||
| People always request this, and I never get around to it. | ||
| When fighters are on to talk about upcoming cards, because there's a bunch of really interesting fights coming up that people are interested in. | ||
| First of all, I've got to ask you, what do you think about Anderson and Chris Weidman, the rematch of that fight? | ||
| I think this time... | ||
| Obviously, Chris... | ||
| You know, can beat him, I think. | ||
| But I don't think he's going to. | ||
| I think Anderson's going to blast him quick. | ||
| Really? | ||
| I saw a turn in that second round where I thought that the tide had completely turned. | ||
| And Anderson does the same thing he always does. | ||
| And it's one, two, dip. | ||
| It's MMA. Guys don't know how to box very well. | ||
| It's just a straight, basic one, two. | ||
| And he always goes the same way. | ||
| One, two, and then if you start to pressure him, he goes... | ||
| Back and dips to that side. | ||
| It's the same watch other video. | ||
| It's what he does. | ||
| You know? | ||
| And I don't know if Wyman might have not even known it, but all he did was take one step forward. | ||
| I bet Ray Longo knew it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| All he did was, you know, flash. | ||
| He kind of stepped in the southpaw, flashed out a jab, and then threw the hook. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And it was ugly. | ||
| It wasn't beautiful textbook punching, but it worked. | ||
| Well, you know, that's that same hook that he knocked Uriah Hall out with. | ||
| He has a weird, long hook where he has this arm fully extended and he catches you on the end with his hand turned. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| And Anderson's used to being out here. | ||
| And he already got crack coming in, so it's... | ||
| I mean, he just got lazy or overconfident or whatever it was. | ||
| But I think that he... | ||
| I would love to see him... | ||
| Blitz Weidman. | ||
| Just because I want to see Anderson do it to somebody because he does it so beautifully. | ||
| Nothing against Chris. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I know what you're saying. | ||
| I know what you're saying. | ||
| He's the most beautiful guy to watch as far as movement. | ||
| By far, yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's hard to wrap your head around that, how you could like a guy like Chris Weidman and want to see him get fucked up. | ||
| People don't understand that. | ||
| It's not what it is. | ||
| It's just you want to see the performance. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| I want to see a beautiful performance. | ||
| And no one makes it more beautiful than Anderson. | ||
| And when it's against a really tough guy, it makes the performance all the more spectacular. | ||
| I'm a huge Rich Franklin fan. | ||
| I've always been a Rich Franklin fan. | ||
| He's a great guy. | ||
| He was a great champion. | ||
| So when Anderson beat Franklin for the title, I knew how fucking tough Rich Franklin is. | ||
| So it made it all the more crazy. | ||
| When you're watching that, you're like, Jesus Christ. | ||
| If you don't know how tough Lee Murray is... | ||
| If you don't know how tough Lee Murray is, watch Lee Murray vs. | ||
| Anderson Silva. | ||
| First of all, watch Lee Murray vs. | ||
| a host of other motherfuckers that he just slept with one punch. | ||
| Like Amir Renovati, he slept him. | ||
| So many guys. | ||
| He was a sniper. | ||
| He had a piston of a right hand. | ||
| That guy, different breed. | ||
| He's an animal! | ||
| I mean, psychopath. | ||
| Well, he's in jail right now listening to this podcast. | ||
| He listens to the podcast. | ||
| Is he Morocco? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Well, I think he's still in Morocco, yeah. | ||
| Probably living in a castle. | ||
| They probably got like a little manhole in his gym. | ||
| Or in his cage, rather. | ||
| Didn't he get some chick pregnant? | ||
| Yeah, he got a girl pregnant while he was in the cage. | ||
| While he was in prison. | ||
| He probably has like a little manhole and he opens it up and it's like fucking Saddam Hussein's palace underneath the gym. | ||
| He's a crazy criminal character. | ||
| But he was an excellent fighter in his day. | ||
| A very dangerous striker. | ||
| And Anderson Silva just ran it on him. | ||
| And the way he attacked him so systematically and took his legs out from under him. | ||
| And Anderson just fought brilliantly and also showed a fucking world-class chin. | ||
| Which is interesting because this is the first time we've really seen Anderson staggered and hurt and stopped. | ||
| It's never happened before. | ||
| And it's such a cliche. | ||
| It's the shot you didn't expect. | ||
| It's so cliche, but even on a great fighter like Anderson... | ||
| I mean, even on a great fighter like Anderson, it's so hard to believe, but it's a shot that you didn't expect. | ||
| And perfectly landed, point of the chin, legs go, that's it. | ||
| Lights are out. | ||
| Amazing. | ||
| But it's also, I think, in a way, it's poetic that he's the guy who got caught that way. | ||
| Because as much as I'm a huge Anderson Silva fan, and I'll never not be, the guy was like a human highlight reel of excellence. | ||
| That's how I would describe Anderson Silva's career. | ||
| Perfection. | ||
| Perfection. | ||
| But it's good for young guys to see. | ||
| It's good for young guys coming up to go, okay, that can happen even to that guy. | ||
| You can't do that. | ||
| That can happen even... | ||
| But you can do that, though. | ||
| Sometimes you can do it. | ||
| Only for so long. | ||
| Yeah, it depends on who you're fighting, too, and what's the circumstance, you know? | ||
| You know what fight I'm looking forward to, man? | ||
| It's fucking two this weekend. | ||
| Uriah Hall and John Doomsday Howard. | ||
| Oh, they're going to slug it out. | ||
| Fuck yeah! | ||
| They are going to beat the crap out of each other. | ||
| People who don't know, if you don't remember John Howard, and you've seen Uriah Hall from Tough, who just had some of the most wicked knockouts in the history of the fucking competition. | ||
| The Ultimate Fighter is like, the highlight reel of the Ultimate Fighter, without a doubt, at the top is Uriah Hall. | ||
| Oh, by far. | ||
| Without a doubt. | ||
| That wheel kick KO, the right hand to make it into the finals. | ||
| I mean, he's a fucking monster, man. | ||
| He is really tough. | ||
| His striking is so, but, You know who throws fucking hammers? | ||
| Doomsday. | ||
| John Howard throws hammers! | ||
| And he's a good Muay Thai striker. | ||
| He's real good. | ||
| He's going to be able to do that. | ||
| And I think it's... | ||
| Ah, man. | ||
| That's a tough call. | ||
| I'm going to have to go with Uriah, I think. | ||
| But, I mean, if anyone's going to end up... | ||
| Spoiling that party, it's gonna be Howard by Vicious. | ||
| Well, you know, Howard is also only like 5'7". | ||
| Yeah, that's what I'm saying, he's short. | ||
| Yeah, it's interesting. | ||
| I wonder, I mean, he's a thick motherfucker. | ||
| There's some guys that, especially as they get older in their career, they actually do better when they go up in weight. | ||
| I wonder if that's going to be the case, or I wonder if he can carry that power, that 170 power. | ||
| That motherfucker carries that power no matter what. | ||
| He hits so hard. | ||
| He's got that kind of hit hard where it doesn't matter if he goes up a weight class. | ||
| It's probably the guys are going to be able to absorb it better, but he throws some stupid one-punch power. | ||
| Hall's got a very diverse game, too, though. | ||
| Hall does a lot of wild shit. | ||
| Yeah, that's a very... | ||
| Because when you get a guy that's very Muay Thai, you know, sometimes that random shit's either going to work really well or it's going to get you in some trouble and you're going to take a fucking beating. | ||
| That's true, right? | ||
| If you miss and you slip and your back is turned and... | ||
| You're just going to get bludgeoned. | ||
| Especially if you can catch your legs. | ||
| I think that it's interesting. | ||
| It's an interesting thing because Uriah obviously has a lot of Muay Thai skills as well, but he also has a lot of traditional karate style, taekwondo style techniques. | ||
| It's always interesting when you see the clash of those two. | ||
| I was actually just talking to Leota's brother on the way back from the fight to the hotel, and it was kind of awkward. | ||
| He's like, so who do you think won? | ||
| Oh, shit. | ||
| And I was like, honestly, that fight sucked. | ||
| It wasn't the best fight, but I enjoyed it. | ||
| I wouldn't say that fight sucked. | ||
| I didn't like it very much, because I think that... | ||
| Neither of them did enough to really win that much. | ||
| It was a toss-up. | ||
| It was just not exciting to me. | ||
| Oh, you're so crazy. | ||
| I thought it was very exciting. | ||
| Oh, you're so crazy, Ian McCombs! | ||
| It was just one of those things. | ||
| It had flashes of brilliance. | ||
| Both guys are awesome. | ||
| I like both guys a lot. | ||
| It just was a bad matchup. | ||
| It didn't work out well. | ||
| You know what I think? | ||
| I think that... | ||
| It wasn't as exciting as it could have been because not a lot of action took place. | ||
| But to me, it was very entertaining because I was watching a puzzle take place. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| And I was watching it trying to be solved. | ||
| I was watching Phil Davis try to hit the takedown. | ||
| I was watching Leota try to defend and land shots. | ||
| And Phil Davis landing shots of his own. | ||
| And it's interesting, if it was just a kickboxing match, I'd be curious to see how it would have gone down. | ||
| But you throw in the wrestling, and Davis accounted himself very well on the feet, which I think surprised a lot of people. | ||
| You look at the way Machida knocked out Ryan Bader. | ||
| You look at the way Machida knocked out Tiago Silva. | ||
| Machida's used that sniping style on some really highly skilled strikers and fucked them up. | ||
| Especially the Tiago Silva fight. | ||
| I mean, whew! | ||
| And Bader, man, he caught him with that one punch coming in. | ||
| I mean, he's a bad motherfucker as far as his counters, and Phil Davis didn't really take any of them full clip. | ||
| You know, he avoided, he took some shots, but he rolled with a lot of them. | ||
| He had good defense, took a good shot, showed good chin. | ||
| He never was squared up. | ||
| He was constantly moving back and forth and had good head movement. | ||
| But, you know, I think Machida landed more strikes. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| You know, so it becomes a matter of what's more important. | ||
| Is the takedown more important? | ||
| But when you hit a takedown, how much damage was actually accomplished during a takedown? | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Do you feel like there's, like, an overhaul that needs to be done of the scoring? | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| They definitely need to figure this out, because... | ||
| There's been so many, I mean, put my shitty call aside, I mean, there's been so many that are bad. | ||
| I mean, they need to have, maybe it's a scoring system, where a takedown is this much, you know, but it just has to be thought over by a big group of people to just figure out every angle, you know? | ||
| And because... | ||
| People are going to keep on getting screwed no matter what. | ||
| And for folks who don't understand, again, we talked about, if you're not a fan of the sport, the state athletic commission is the one who choose the judges. | ||
| And, you know, the rules are in place essentially like piggyback from boxing. | ||
| They took the 10-9 system. | ||
| It's a one- A fighter, if they win, they get 10 points. | ||
| If they lose the round, they get 9 points. | ||
| And the difference is, in a boxing match, there's 10-9, and then there's 10-8 if there's a knockdown. | ||
| It's easier to define. | ||
| 10-7 if there's two knockdowns. | ||
| It's pretty easy to define. | ||
| It's very rare that a fighter gets knocked down but wins the round. | ||
| Whereas in MMA... You're dealing with a longer round and you're dealing with all these other variables. | ||
| Kicks and takedowns and near submission attempts. | ||
| If a guy peppers a guy with strikes and then he gets taken down but absolutely nothing happens while he's on the ground. | ||
| He just ties the guy up. | ||
| How much damage does he take and is it equal to all the punches that he landed before he was taken down? | ||
| It becomes a weird situation of, like, what's worth more? | ||
| Forcing the fight into the area where the fighter wants it, whether it's through a takedown, or forcing the fight by standing up and landing strikes. | ||
| By stopping the takedown. | ||
| Right. | ||
| What is more, what's worth more? | ||
| Is it a, you know, a takedown, or defending yourself and attacking from the guard and getting a near submission? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, if a guy takes you down, but you almost get him in a triangle, like... | ||
| Hmm. | ||
| Does a judge really know how to score that correctly? | ||
| It gets tricky, right? | ||
| Especially not some random person who got their job just because they know someone who works there. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, I'm sure they teach them some stuff, but my take on it has always been there's so many fans out there that would love that gig. | ||
| And they're like huge fans of MMA and would do a good job. | ||
| A much better job. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I think it should be like a Yelp thing. | ||
| An internet Yelp thing. | ||
| We should do that at the UFC from now on. | ||
| We should do online vote. | ||
| Give them an opportunity for an online MetroPCS vote. | ||
| MetroPCS. | ||
| Let's make this happen. | ||
| Maybe a Bud Light vote. | ||
| Bud Light doesn't like us anymore. | ||
| The Culinary Union got rid of him. | ||
| I think it's Bud Light. | ||
| Is it Miller? | ||
| Whoever it was. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Overeem and Brown is this weekend too, man. | ||
| I want Travis to win because I'm friends with him. | ||
| But... | ||
| Can he... | ||
| I mean... | ||
| Overeem's too cocky. | ||
| You know, maybe... | ||
| You know, we saw that in the Silva fight. | ||
| He got knocked out. | ||
| He's a better fighter, technically, than I think just about anyone in the heavyweight division, if you break down just about each aspect. | ||
| But... | ||
| I don't know if he's lazy or what it is. | ||
| Does he gas out? | ||
| There's something wrong with him. | ||
| I think he also has to deal with his hormones. | ||
| There's a reality of that. | ||
| Let's be honest here. | ||
| You can't not talk about that. | ||
| He had a completely different shape to his body when he came back after testing positive for testosterone. | ||
| When you do that, I have no reason to believe that he didn't accidentally get this injection by this doctor who was going to fix his shoulder. | ||
| It might have happened that way, you know, or it might have been that in Pride and in these other organizations in K1, you could get away with doing things, and then when you get off those things, the problem is your body doesn't exactly know what the fuck can do. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Because your testosterone is really low, and so he tested, like, really low for his last fight against Bigfoot. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, almost in, like, a dangerous area. | ||
| Like, ooh, that's a professional athlete, and this is, like, really low. | ||
| And you're that big? | ||
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| It's interesting and it's unfortunate because, man, you juice that dude up and he's a motherfucker. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He's crushing everyone. | ||
| When he was fighting Brock Lesnar, and I'm not saying he was juiced up, but let's just say, for instance, if he was juiced up then, god damn he looked good and scary. | ||
| Dude, that fight against Brock Lesnar, he ragdolled Lesnar. | ||
| He slammed those kicks into his body. | ||
| And he was kicking Lesnar when Lesnar was just like ultra wrestler. | ||
| He didn't give a fuck. | ||
| He was still slamming kicks into him. | ||
| Kicks and knees into his midsection. | ||
| Kneeing him in the clinch. | ||
| And Lesnar couldn't take him down. | ||
| You're like, how is this possible? | ||
| Two 300 pound guys that were just clubbing each other like that. | ||
| Dude, whatever he was on, let's say he was on nothing. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Whatever, that shape that he was in back then, that's the scary Overeem. | ||
| Yes, it is. | ||
| That's the Overeem that everybody thought was going to be the greatest heavyweight of all time. | ||
| Just wicked ground game, submits Vitor Belfort, wins the Abu Dhabi Trials. | ||
| I mean, he's a motherfucker. | ||
| He won the Europeans as a grappler, just a straight grappler. | ||
| That's a big fucking fight, man. | ||
| You know what else is a big fight? | ||
| Travis, excuse me, Matt Brown versus Mike Pyle. | ||
| That's another very interesting fight. | ||
| That's a good fight. | ||
| I'm going to go with Mike. | ||
| Yeah? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I think Pyle's too crafty? | ||
| Yeah, that's exactly what I think it is. | ||
| I think that Brown's good. | ||
| I mean, he's obviously been here forever for a reason, but I think that Pyle's too crafty. | ||
| He'll end up getting him with something. | ||
| Pyle's a crafty motherfucker. | ||
| He's an underdog, man. | ||
| Not in this fight, necessarily. | ||
| I'm sure he probably is listed as an underdog with Matt Brown coming off his last fight. | ||
| But I mean, in that division, he's like a dark horse. | ||
| He could beat a lot of the top guys. | ||
| And everybody that trains with Mike Pyle will tell you that Mike Pyle in the gym is this motherfucker. | ||
| Even guys that have beaten him, he fucking trounces in the gym. | ||
| It's like he's sort of coming into his own as a fighter. | ||
| And he's had a long career already. | ||
| But Matt Brown is a special kind of savage. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| There's a darkness to that man's heart when he fucking comes after dudes. | ||
| You can smell the devil in the room when he's beating on dudes. | ||
| I'm telling you, man, that fight with Jordan Meehan, that was a fight to the death. | ||
| That was a fight to the death, man. | ||
| I'm trying to think if I saw that fight. | ||
| That was an incredible fight. | ||
| Incredible fucking fight. | ||
| He went after Mian, and Mian is a tough, talented kid. | ||
| He's fucking good. | ||
| And Matt Brown put a salt on him. | ||
| You smell the devil. | ||
| You smell just wisp of brimstone as he's beating the fuck out of this dude. | ||
| You're like, this guy, there's a certain fury that that dude brings into the cage. | ||
| He's got that instinct. | ||
| He's got that wants to wear your skin kind of thing. | ||
| All these fucking dudes that went through rehab. | ||
| What is about... | ||
| I didn't know he went through rehab. | ||
| Oh, yeah, man. | ||
| He had also some similar near-death experiences with drugs, I believe. | ||
| Why is Rory McDonald so weird? | ||
| Oh, he's got his own issues, man. | ||
| He's got his own issues. | ||
| But think about Court McGee, another one. | ||
| Same sort of situation. | ||
| That dude's fierce, man. | ||
| Court McGee is a bad motherfucker, and he doesn't get tired, man. | ||
| No, he never gets tired. | ||
| He keeps coming. | ||
| Speaking of elevation training, there you go. | ||
| Elevation with weight vests running hills. | ||
| The fucking dude runs miles with a weight vest on. | ||
| He doesn't get tired. | ||
| He's a tank. | ||
| Yeah, he's a scary dude, and it's the same thing. | ||
| These dudes that go through crazy adversity, even if it's self-imposed adversity, like drugs. | ||
| You guys have been to the other side. | ||
| Is that what it is? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't ever want to go back. | ||
| Well, you have had like a near-death experience. | ||
| I died. | ||
| But I mean you didn't. | ||
| I got hit with like three EpiPens in the paddles. | ||
| Did you see aliens? | ||
| No, there was no light. | ||
| I woke up in the hospital with my brother just shaking his head at me. | ||
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Whoa. | |
| So you didn't know anything. | ||
| And this was a real overdose. | ||
| This wasn't like, oh, I overdosed and they'd let me out that night. | ||
| No, I was in the hospital for a week. | ||
| Whoa. | ||
| Like I aspirated, like I had pneumonia, like I actually was dead and they brought me back. | ||
| Was it pills? | ||
| Yeah, it was a mix of pills and alcohol and more pills and this other pills and some GHB and some... | ||
| God damn. | ||
| And I was sober for a while, and I just used me getting a tattoo as an excuse to get fucked up. | ||
| I remember parts of it, and then I remember waking up in the hospital with one of my friends, and I don't know how the hell she got there. | ||
| Still to this day, I never even asked. | ||
| Dude, you should stop your story right now and make the rest of it up and write a book about what I learned on the other side. | ||
| How many dudes get to go to the other side? | ||
| Just make a dope book about it. | ||
| Make some shit up. | ||
| I saw the light. | ||
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You can do it. | |
| You've been to heaven. | ||
| You came back, man. | ||
| You can tell us some shit. | ||
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Just make some shit up. | |
| It's true. | ||
| Don't tell anybody. | ||
| Okay, so you really want to know what happened? | ||
| Do you feel like that you have a second chance at life? | ||
| Yeah, definitely feel like I have a second chance. | ||
| Did it feel like that, like tangibly? | ||
| Like, wow, I gotta get this thing right. | ||
| No, because I still fucked up after that. | ||
| Honestly, I still dropped the ball a couple times after that. | ||
| Are you running out of time? | ||
| Is it three minutes left? | ||
| I'm a constant threat to myself. | ||
| Oh, please get it together, dude. | ||
| You're such a fun guy to have around, man. | ||
| I'm a work in progress. | ||
| I love underdog stories. | ||
| I love when a dude pulls it out. | ||
| Like, you fucked it up in the beginning. | ||
| Gets it on track. | ||
| I love those stories. | ||
| Because I think they're beneficial for everybody. | ||
| I think I'm not a perfect person. | ||
| I've never been a perfect person. | ||
| I've made a lot of fucking mistakes. | ||
| And I think in talking about mistakes... | ||
| Not only do I get some jokes and relief out of them, other people, you can realize, oh, he sucked at life too. | ||
| It's therapy for me to be able to explain my story. | ||
| You're taking it to a whole new level is what I'm trying to say. | ||
| It's like my story is fucking ridiculous compared to yours. | ||
| I mean, you fucking died, dude. | ||
| That's about as fucked up as you can get. | ||
| You fucked up so bad, your body said, we fucking quit! | ||
| And then science came along and... | ||
| Shock this dummy back to life. | ||
| We need him around. | ||
| Well, look, man. | ||
| Look at that. | ||
| You die, and then you come back and have some awesome fights. | ||
| Yeah, I'm back. | ||
| It's amazing. | ||
| Dude, let's do this again. | ||
| Let's do it. | ||
| Let's do it more often. | ||
| I live close enough where I'll head up here. | ||
| Close enough. | ||
| I'll drive a faster car next time. | ||
| That's what you've got to deal with it. | ||
| You need a helicopter, bitch. | ||
| Maserati's not fast enough. | ||
| Listen, congratulations on all your progress and thank you very much. | ||
| It's been a lot of fun. | ||
| You can follow him on Twitter. | ||
| It's Uncle Creepy MMA on Twitter and Uncle Creepy MMA on Instagram as well. | ||
| I tagged it in a picture I took of us earlier today. | ||
| Thanks, man. | ||
| It was a lot of fun. | ||
| It was fun. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| Thanks, everybody. | ||
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| Yeah, you know the fucking deal, folks. | ||
| Don't have to tell you. | ||
| Go to the beginning of the podcast if you want to know the codes. | ||
| See ya, bitches! | ||
| We'll be back next week with all sorts of goodies. | ||
| Much love to you all, and I'll see you guys in Boston this weekend. |
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