Jim Norton and Joe Rogan clash over censorship, exposing how publishers demand stand-up formatting for Rogan’s rejected book deal while Norton mocks moral outrage—like Paula Deen’s racial controversy—as hypocritical. They debate rape jokes in comedy, with Rogan defending context and Norton insisting intent matters, yet both critique systemic hypocrisy: the U.S. military’s dubious interventions (Afghanistan, Iraq) or invasive surveillance (NSA, DEA). Norton admits his sexual addiction stalls growth, contrasting it with Rogan’s functional struggles, while teasing his August 23rd special. Ultimately, their raw honesty reveals how rigid ideologies and personal flaws shape public discourse—undermining both virtue-signaling and unchecked freedom. [Automatically generated summary]
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He used to go to a Kentucky Fried Chicken and he'd pick up like two buckets of chicken and he would just toss them in his yard and like a hundred cats would come in and tear the chicken apart.
If you really stop and think about it, I mean, it's fun to play, don't get me wrong, but what a stupid skill to throw something and make it stick into a wall in a certain spot.
We hunted for food or, like, you know, on Game of Thrones, that's a great skill to have, to be able to shoot something accurately at a target, but now it just doesn't mean anything anymore.
And I think that they're not getting the humiliation that fighters get by losing, by training in the gym, by getting broken in the gym, by getting submitted, by getting tagged.
There's like a certain level of reality that fighters live in where they don't have to...
Engage on this chest puffing right that you see a lot of people doing almost to compensate because It's almost like they don't they can't even believe that they're this fucking superstar So part of their brain is like sabotaging of course and causing them to act like cunts and not tip anywhere and Slam doors on people and the kind of shit you hear from like really arrogant pro athletes But with MMA fighters for the most part these are dudes that if you if you're serious about that sport you have to have like a Spartan discipline I mean,
you have to be the type of person that's watching your diet, making sure you're organizing your training, and you just get humiliated.
You get humiliated and humbled is a better word.
You get humbled by the whole process of trying to become great.
So they're just different athletes.
You see some pro basketball players that are super arrogant or crazy.
You don't see nearly...
You're always going to see a certain amount in the population of people, but you don't see nearly as much in MMA or in the UFC as you would think.
Like, I've heard clips we played on ONA, but I've never listened to a Hicks CD. And everyone tells me how great he was, but it's like, at this point in my life, I just don't want to hear another comic and be influenced by him.
I'm like, I hear he's great and good for him, and I don't want to know it.
And I think, for me, the best way to get inspired is by just listening to comedy.
I get inspired.
It makes me want to write.
I don't feel like there's any sense in avoiding a certain amount of influence that we're going to give each other.
But I also think if your mind is straight and you have good ethics as far as your writing, I don't think you really have to worry about that.
You know what you're doing.
You're trying to pursue your ideas.
You're not trying to pursue somebody else's.
I think it's a good thing to worry about when you're first starting out, but I don't think you're a stop.
There's no way.
You're very ethical.
I respect your take on this opinion.
Like the reason why you're doing it, you're doing it for the exact right reasons.
I just always feel like I got into comedy because I love the art form itself, and I'm a fan of it, and I don't want to not be a fan of it.
Just because I'm doing it doesn't mean I want to still enjoy it as if I had nothing to do with it, if I was never involved.
If I became a comic book artist or whatever else I wanted to be or could have been, if I wasn't a comic, I would like to think that I would like comedy just as much.
That is the big leap that you make as a comic when you get past just doing stuff that works to doing stuff that you believe in and it works because you believe in it.
It's not like a trick.
I remember doing material that was dirty when I was first starting out.
One of the things that I would remember is how old...
Awkward it was when I was forcing it.
When I was like bombing and I was trying to make like it was funny and it wasn't funny.
It was just bleh.
When you're dirty especially, it's like extra awkward.
And I understand that I'm in a job and we're in a job where it's a little easier for us because almost most things are acceptable in our business.
Like, as a comedian, it's hard as an accountant to walk in and go, I fucking went out with this girl and she's blowing me and I realized she had a dick but I was high and I let her.
Like, you can't walk into an accounting office and tell everybody that.
But if you say that as a comic, everybody's like, alright, so what?
Because if somebody just wanted to fuck, if some crazy woman just wanted to go around town and, hey, meet me here, let's fuck, And then at 10 o'clock I'm going to meet another guy, I'm going to fuck him.
No one can say a goddamn word.
But because money's being exchanged, all of a sudden she's a criminal.
Look, obviously, I don't want my daughters to be prostitutes.
Don't get me wrong.
But I think a lot of our ideas of what's so horrible about prostitution is all based on this puritanism bullshit that we've been pushing in this country from the get-go.
There's nothing wrong with being nice.
There's nothing wrong with having morals.
But when you push your own bullshit on other people...
And arrest them for giving hand jobs.
Can you imagine?
You could rub your feet.
You could rub my feet until the cows come home.
You could rub my ass cheeks.
That's all good, but it feels too good when you rub my dick, so don't do that or it'll put you in a cage.
Although you're spending money, you're spending money to try to show the woman that you're a generous person, you want to take care of her, and then the sex is a mutual thing.
The idea is just that the men should be paying for the woman because they're not worth as much, which I agree with.
Did you hear that Eric Holder said today that they need to stop arresting people for petty marijuana crimes?
And crimes where there's no victims or where it's not a connection to drug cartels?
Like, it's sort of snuckling under the radar, but that's a gigantic statement from the Attorney General that they're going to basically stop this aspect of the drug war.
They want to let people out of jail.
It's like prisons are fucking overcrowded.
Like, this is two things in the last week that have been really surprising.
The Sanjay Gupta CNN thing, where he's coming out with a documentary on CNN called Weed, a year-long investigation to the positive benefits of medical marijuana and all these people that are sick and all the different things that it cures, all the different ailments that it alleviates symptoms.
And this guy is coming out and putting out this big piece on CNN.com and the special saying, I was wrong.
For years, I believed mainstream America's opinion about marijuana.
It was for a bunch of lazy slackers, and I thought that most of the medical marijuana was just people trying to get high.
But now he realizes it's not, and it's like there's massive, massive medical benefits.
If CNN puts it on TV like that, I mean, that's pretty crazy.
And then Eric Holder saying, we need to stop arresting people for petty crimes that don't involve drug cartels and, you know, marijuana offenses.
Like, what...
Wait a minute.
Isn't that like 50% of the prison?
Because the problem is nonviolent drug offenders are a giant part of what's in the prison system and making people much more likely to continue being criminals.
Like once you start putting people in jail, that's when they're much more likely to start repeating crimes.
The idea of punishing people by putting them in jail, that scares the shit out of them.
And if they're smart, they don't do it again.
But it also introduces them to a bunch of other people that are fucking criminals.
And they all get together and they talk.
And they figure out what the fuck they're going to do together once they get out of there.
And that's a way of turning a person who just wants to sell something that should be legal into a fucking criminal.
By putting them in a cage.
And what, all of a sudden they're figuring that out?
The tobacco company probably went to the government and was like, look, we're losing shitloads of money because you're fucking all our crops up and making cigarettes so bad.
We want to get into this weed game and, you know – Maybe that's like a way for Marlboro and all these companies to keep alive.
It's also the projected revenue, tax revenue from legalizing marijuana is giant.
It's billions in every state.
I mean, it's the projected tax revenue.
It sounds so crazy, but it's really true.
It could fix the United States economy.
That sounds fucking nuts, but it really could.
There's so much money involved in marijuana.
And right now, it's all slipping through the cracks.
It's all going on either illegally or it's a state as a medicinal sort of a thing, and then they get eventually busted by the DEA because it's not federal.
If they ease up that, it changes our whole culture.
It's going to change everything.
And once people realize all the things you can do with marijuana that don't involve getting high, when they realize the benefits of hemp, which has been illegal forever in this fucking country, since the 1930s, as long as marijuana's been illegal, we can't grow hemp.
And the non-psychoactive form of marijuana.
So the stalks of marijuana make insanely good paper.
They make tremendous building materials that are biodegradable and last forever and are stronger than steel.
So what you're getting when you get hemp, you're either getting various strains, which are like, I think technically you wouldn't refer to it as a cousin, but it does get referred to as a cousin all the time, but people correct me online.
So just that caveat.
But it's essentially the male version of the plant.
And variations of the male versions of the plant.
And that doesn't have any psychoactive properties to it.
But you can make fucking ridiculously strong rope with it.
Like, it's a weird plant.
Like, you'll take a stalk of this stuff, right?
I've seen it like this thick.
It's light like styrofoam, but hard as a fucking rock.
It's weird.
It's a weird fucking plant.
It's like no plant that exists on Earth.
It's really almost like it's an alien.
It's such a strange plant.
And it's so beneficial to humankind.
The fact that it's illegal is just outside of the psychoactive effects.
If it had no effect on the human body whatsoever, just for its ability to use it in building materials, the ability to make clothes and paper and oil.
Henry Ford's first fucking car had hemp.
All of the body panels were made out of hemp.
And it ran on hemp.
Like he would make oil from hemp and run engines on it.
I mean, you can do so much shit with it.
It's almost a joke.
Like, if you look at all the different things you can do with it, how could it be legal?
And I think that's what these things are realizing.
There's a push by the American people and there's a transparency that the American people are demanding.
And under the weight of things like Edward Snowden and Bradley Manning, all these documents that are getting released where people are seeing the actual inner workings of the government, they have to make some radical reform if they want to keep a hold of us.
Because there's a lot of people that are upset right now.
Finding out about the NSA watching every single American as if we're all bad.
How about all of us who do...
Can it be like the TSA? Can I get a TSA pre where you know that I'm not a fucking terrorist so you stop reading my email, dickwad?
I have mixed feelings about the NSA. A part of me loves that they did that.
Because the American people have become such...
What bothers me about Americans is we've become such nosy pigs into each other's lives.
And there's nothing an American loves more than violating the privacy of somebody else.
True.
Nothing we love more.
And now all of a sudden, we don't like it.
Because someone's invading our privacy.
I get the difference of what the government is doing.
It's awful.
But I mean, on just the principle of it, where were all these fucking people, and I've said this before, crying about privacy when they couldn't get enough of Mel Gibson's private voicemails or Alec Baldwin's phone calls or Tiger Woods' private texts?
Now, I understand we look at them as entertainment value.
The people also are comfortable seeing those things and making judgments and treating people a certain way because of them.
So they didn't give a fuck that anybody else's privacy was violated.
However, their privacy is sacred.
So I kind of like Google Glass, and I like this.
It evens the playing field.
Just, you know, like fucking Petraeus.
The head of the CIA couldn't fuck some chick on the side when he's married to Michael Moore.
How depressing is that?
And no one gets away with anything anymore.
So I wish the American people would stop being so nosy and minding everyone's business but their own and I would completely be against the NSA. But until that happens, fuck them.
I love the fact that their privacy is being violated too and they can see how it feels.
That self-righteousness that people have Like with Paula Deen, they're comfortable allowing her to be lynched publicly and no one is stepping up and going, you know what, I've said some shitty things.
No one expresses that honesty in themselves and gives each other breaks on inappropriate things that we say.
I don't know what Paula Deen actually did, but if you listen to the people that work with her, she sounds like she was a funny, racist, all-white lady.
Maybe you've never said that word, but are you going to tell me you've never in your life, under oath, you could say you've never said a racially insensitive thing?
And I think this is an issue that really needed to be addressed like that.
You can't, like, have a quick Matt Lauer interview with this scared lady, and a scared old lady that has fucking death threats coming in from black people all day, I'm sure.
You know?
I mean, you can't be a white person in 2013 calling people niggers.
The phony outrage, and it's not even from black people who get annoyed.
What I've grown to hate is other white people because...
Patrice said it.
Patrice said it best.
He goes, I've never met a racist.
Not one person I've ever met has ever admitted they were racist.
And what I hate about these fucking, these white people whose idea of combating racism is just targeting other white people who have said something inappropriate is simply their way of deflecting attention from themselves and their own, I think they have superiority complexes.
And I think, like, I can't walk up to my black friends and tell them, hey, I'm not a racist.
But if Paula Deen acts like one, then I can use her to mirror how good I am.
Yeah, I agree with you that there's a lot of people that love to do that moral high ground thing.
They love, by not, by telling you that you're doing something wrong, they're not just telling you that you're doing something wrong, they're telling you that they're awesome.
Lawyers that I've fucked have been sexual submissive female cops because they're very strong.
They like something different.
Not all, I'm sure.
But I have nothing against a feminist.
If she's reasonable and she's fighting for women to get what they deserve, I'm for it.
When they language police and they nitpick because their cause is not as needed as it was 20 years ago, then I hate their guts like any other special interest group.
But when they're fighting for what's right and legitimately getting the right amount of money...
I don't think women should be sexually harassed at work.
These guys are like this fucking cocksucker in San Diego who's grabbing women and being a complete piece of shit and saying he didn't know.
Fuck that guy.
One of those women's husbands should fucking hit this guy with an axe.
It would be hard to imagine your wife being at work with some lech all day who's constantly harassing her and bothering her and brushes her cock by her when he walks by her in the hall.
That kind of shit, that happens to people at work.
People go, look, I was just walking by.
People are always being cunts.
But that's a cunt.
It doesn't matter if he's a man or a woman.
You know, I think the idea of feminism is a good idea.
As the idea of masculinism, that's a good idea, too.
I don't think it's a real word, but if it was a real word, it'd be a good idea.
There's nothing wrong with you being allowed to be you.
And me being allowed to be me.
And we're gonna be fucking different.
That's why the world varies so much.
That's why movies vary and music varies and stand-up comedy varies.
There's people that like all kinds of different shit, but a lot of men don't want women to be women.
And a lot of women don't want men to be men.
They want them to be what they want them to be.
And when you have some asshole who wants you to be a certain way and you have to work for that dick and you're a woman, that's a special place in hell.
If you're a man and you have a cunt boss and your boss is a woman and she's a fucking asshole, I have a friend who has a woman boss.
He actually just left his gig.
But he had this woman boss who brutalized him.
Just wouldn't leave him alone.
It was just like giving him cancer.
It was just like rotting at him, like all day, every day, with someone who you couldn't talk back to, who was just fucking with you, and pestering you, and berating you, and insulting you, and there's not a damn thing you can do about it.
Not a damn thing you can do about it.
She was talking to him in a way that a regular man, like a man in the street that you didn't owe anything to, would never talk to you unless he was ready to fight.
But she would just get in his face and point at him and say crazy shit to him.
So in that sense, yeah, I'm a feminist in a lot of ways.
I'm a masculinist.
I'm a humanist.
I think we should be able to do whatever we want.
The problem is when you start looking out for your own, when you start looking out for a gender, a generalization, you start going towards one gender only, emphasizing that one gender's inadequacies, In our society, the problem is you become a gang, and you become part of a team.
I'm really not a big fan of groups that focus on one gender.
I'm not a big fan of generalizations.
I'm not a big fan of a lot of things.
I'm certainly not a big fan of anything where anyone who is the weaker is getting bullied, whether it's a physical, whether it's a sexual thing or a physical thing or a man bugging a woman.
I have a sister.
I have daughters.
I have a wife.
I 100% know it's way more difficult to be a woman than it is to be a man in a physical sense.
And I think there should be laws about that shit.
Abso-fucking-lutely.
I think that men who do abuse women or who do sexually harass them, they're fucking creepy people, man.
And the idea that that's not the case, the idea that a situation where a man who gets taken by a woman in a divorce in some fucking horrible way, where, you know, you find, I mean, I could go into this for days, but I'm sure we all know guys who've just been raped in divorce.
White American men dominated everything in this country.
There's also a reality of...
A lot of people were treated like garbage for a long time, and a lot of promises were broken.
And there's a reality to that that's not excuse-making.
It's a real thing.
And then they say, well, you know, white people have benefited from that system.
So what's happening is in an effort to balance the fucking playing field a little bit, a lot of us today are being treated unfairly because the balancing act is making things go so far.
And I had a couple gay comics on, Rick Crome and Jim David, and we talked about this on this comedy special I did.
And as comedians, I asked him, how do they feel about the imbalance in the language?
Like the fact that you get in trouble for that now.
And Jim Davis said, I'm okay with it.
And I'm like, well, how are you okay with it as a comic?
And he goes, because it's not a level playing field.
Meaning, what he thought was like, in life, gay people are not treated as well.
So he didn't give a shit if that guy got in a little bit more trouble.
And I kind of, I heard what he said there.
Like, even though I don't want to get in trouble for it, in that sense, he was right.
It's like, you know...
We still have a big segment of our country that can't get married and they're treated like second-class citizens, but yet we go around and tell other countries how to live their lives.
Well, I think there's a real legitimate argument in the idea that until it balances out, until everyone completely relaxes on discrimination towards gays, like, there's no discrimination on bachelors anymore.
You know, like if a man is a 50-year-old man, he says, I'm just not getting married again.
There's no discrimination or social pariah.
But if he decides to marry a man, then it is.
Like, well, what is that?
And why is that not eradicated from our culture yet?
Well, once that is eradicated from our culture...
Then I think people are going to be much more likely to accept gay jokes.
Because I keep hearing that gay jokes are homophobic.
And I'm like, guess what?
No, they're not.
It's not homophobic at all.
It's a gay joke.
Just like jokes about straight sex aren't heterophobic.
They're jokes about sex.
And there's jokes about everything.
And it's really about context.
It's not about the subject matter.
And you can't eliminate certain subject matters.
You just can't.
Because the human language is very nuanced.
There's a lot of shit going on.
And every single interaction that you have, where humor could potentially be crafted from it, can be taken in a whole wide variety of different ways.
And I like all those ways.
I like people saying fucked up shit they don't really mean.
If that homeless guy was getting in an argument with another homeless guy and the homeless guy jumped on his cake, then it would be okay.
Because there's one homeless guy getting over on another homeless guy and stomping on his cake.
But when a millionaire DJ guy does it...
Look, I know what he was doing, and I know what that audience is like.
When you guys are...
Opie and Anthony is my favorite show ever to do, because it's such a hang, and everybody's making everybody else laugh.
And it's like what we were talking about before the show today.
It's like, what's okay for you and I... To talk about in our jobs as stand-up comedians, for most people, those same words and thoughts would get you fired.
It would get you kicked out of the office.
You'd get written up.
You'd get sued.
You can't have that sort of mentality.
But for us, it's so normal.
So when you're hanging out with Opie, And Anthony Cumia and you guys are just talking mad shit and you're on the air as you're walking across the street and you're just trying to make each other laugh.
And one of the things that people do when they try to make each other laugh is they cross the line.
They completely, brutally cross the line.
And that's the way to do that there.
You brutally cross the line, you gotta jump on the homeless guy's cake!
And Opie, you know, in doing that, it sounds like a cop-out on my part because he's my friend, and I would never have done what he did, but I know what his motivation was.
Exactly, and our audience will accept a lot, but honestly, there is a humanity to them.
Like, that homeless shopping spree we would do, the homeless guys would never mistreat.
Like, literally, they would treat like rock stars.
They would go to the mall.
Thousands of people would be cheering them, buying them shit.
There are people we had gotten to know.
So it was like the people would mention, oh, then they would do this homeless shopping spree.
It's like they weren't...
It didn't feel like, oh my god.
It felt like a fucked up thing to do.
But it didn't feel as literal as, oh my god, he's a millionaire stepping on the food of a homeless man.
Because I don't think that was the intent behind it other than just being a dick in that moment to a guy who he knew we had given food and money to and we were going to give money to the...
The problem is when you see things out of context, it's like you were talking about earlier about Paula Deen.
You don't know the entirety of a person when you see one event.
Ope's a great guy.
We had him on the podcast.
He's a great guy.
And I always credit you guys with being one of the reasons why I wanted to get into podcasting in the first place.
It was because of doing your show.
Because your show was the only show that I'd ever done where there was no rigid set of this is this now, and then we're going to go to the wacky five at five, and then there's Bob on the chopper.
There was nothing.
It was a hang.
It was a complete total hang.
Every time I've ever done it, whether it's with Burr or with...
I mean, fucking, how many times have I done it?
I've done it so many times with so many different comics, with Rich, or with...
I've never got to do it with Patrice.
The only thing I did with Patrice was when we did that thing in Vegas together, which was a lot of fun, too.
Yeah, well, it's the opportunity to be around fun people like that, the rare human beings that you don't necessarily come across.
If you have a regular job, if you're working as an insurance salesman, how many Patrice O'Neill's do you come across in your life that you get to hang out with for hours?
No, just probably calling because they're late on their payments.
Quite a few, I think.
One more thing, by the way, before I forget, I wanted to say about Opie, too, about Homeless.
He's the one, not that it matters, but he's the guy that pushed Homeless Mustard through, Daniel Mustard, and tried to get him a recording contract and really tried to take care of the guy.
And Opie took a real concern with him and his sobriety.
And again, I'm not saying people don't...
I'm not trying to say don't be mad.
Be mad.
But again, don't think you understand the totality of a guy because he did one silly thing in a different context to make his radio guys and some fans laugh.
You and Lindy West, who's a feminist blogger for Jezebel, which is a feminist blogger.
Website.
And what I loved about it, man, was first of all, you never got upset.
You were rational and logical, and you were talking about it in a very measured way, and you're being really friendly while you're discussing this.
And, you know, in her defense, it's a very tricky subject to breach for a woman, and she was saying a lot of shit like comedy clubs are filled with rooms filled with angry men, and you didn't even flinch.
You didn't go after her.
She had these digs about, like, you're allowed to joke about it, but I'm allowed to tell you you're a dick.
The fact that you take two things that are such polar opposites...
Sometimes the polar opposite you land on for the joke is a horrible thing that minimalizes the victim.
And every Catholic priest joke is somehow minimalizing the victim.
Comedy does that, and I don't believe that it has to just be speaking truth to power.
I think that's part of it.
But I think that as long as your intention is genuinely to be funny and not to humiliate a person for real, I think it's allowable, and it has to be, because it gets to be too subjective after that.
And if you don't like that art form, I completely and totally understand that.
You don't have to participate in the shows.
You don't have to go.
But when you're being hypercritical about it and trying to get people to stop doing it, you're going to make it so that that art form is not available.
The really fucked up thing that you don't mean art form is not available.
Just like rap music.
What is going on in rap music?
Are they really running around killing people and selling cocaine every day?
No, most of what they're doing is talking shit about something.
It's no different than the movie Scarface.
Nobody really died in that movie.
You're painting a picture.
It's a gross, horrific picture.
But some people like that.
They like to watch Scarface.
They like to listen to rap music.
They want to hear a dirty comic say horrendous, inappropriate things that are fucked up.
One of my favorites is Otto.
Otto and George.
He would say some of the most fucked up, ridiculous, over-the-top shit.
But the reason why he did it is because that's what chocks the shit out of you and makes you laugh when you least expect it.
And it made me – the speed at which he put those words together and the violence attached to that and the imagery of that, I've never laughed hard at anything anybody's ever said in a comedy club because I knew what had just happened.
I immediately saw the end of Caligula where they grabbed the ankles and they smashed the fucking head into the steps.
And I'm like, the genius to pull that out in this moment and word it that quickly.
It was beauty.
It was beauty, but it was a horrible thing.
And nobody laughed!
Of course they didn't!
This is a Philly pizzeria.
Nobody understood how funny that was.
Because if he had just said that and I hadn't seen Caligula, I might not have laughed as hard, but the fact that I immediately saw what he did with it, I wanted to hug him for that.
And his style of comedy, much like Dice's style of comedy, is ridiculous, over-the-top, things they don't really mean.
Like, Dice has some bit about how a woman gets pregnant, and it's one of the most hilarious, ridiculous bits, because it goes into, like, this medical, or how you can make a gay kid.
Well, people do know that, but it's unfunny people attempting to influence.
It's just people trying to influence what you say.
It's like the same mentality.
And I don't mean individually.
Like, let's just say the same mentality.
That would target dice or that would say you should get in trouble for a gay joke are the exact same people who would stand up and defend Mapplethorpe.
They're the same people who would defend Piss Christ and say that the National Endowment of the Arts should have paid for Piss Christ because who cares?
Tell people what that is.
The NEA, I think, paid for it.
It was an artist who pissed into a jar and he put a crucifix in it and he called it Piss Christ.
Now, I don't think that that's particularly clever, but it doesn't offend me on any level.
People have to leave room for art, and that sounds ridiculous when you're talking about dick jokes.
Or any kind of jokes.
But you have to leave room for art, because that's what it is.
It's just an art.
And if you don't appreciate that style of art, it's no different than you deciding to go to a Metallica show and not liking the lyrics.
If you don't like it, you don't have to like it.
Jody Mitchell's playing down the block.
Go see that.
Go see Sheryl Crow or go see Dave Matthews.
There's a lot of variety out there.
But at the end of the day, it's something that someone creates.
And when Otto says, you know, I'd like to pick him up by his fucking ankles and slam his head into a sink, and you're laughing, that means he delivered art to the person who likes that art.
And I feel the same way when I see, like when I saw Dice, or when I saw you in Austin, same feeling.
I enjoy ridiculous, over-the-top humor.
It's one of my favorite things to watch.
So when someone comes along and says, you can't do jokes about violence against children because it's fucked up, yes you can.
Yes you can.
You can.
Even if your kid had been killed.
Well, unfortunately for you, this one hit home.
And it's not fun to you.
But everybody else who doesn't have a kid that was killed by slamming their head into a sink, it becomes fun for them.
And it sucks, but you can't just stop the art form because it's going to hit you.
And that's one of the things that came up in that conversation with Lindy.
One of the things that came up in the conversation with her was that she was talking about rape jokes, and meanwhile she had a photo on her Twitter of Jeff Goldblum, who was in Death Wish.
And yet, an actor doing that in that piece of art, somehow or another, is exonerated from the impact.
And this idea that you should know that one-third of the audience, I think, is the current thing they're enjoying banding about.
When people talk about, I shouldn't say they're enjoying, I don't want to dismiss it, but the people who really believe this believe that one third of all women have been either sexually assaulted or raped and there's people that dispute that and there's a lot of it is based on a certain study from I believe it was 1987 and there's a lot of Questions that are very controversial in that study.
Like they'd say, if you ever had sex with someone and then regretted it, or we were coerced into having sex, and things along those lines.
They called all of those rape.
And so then, I think their findings was like one in five, but now people are saying it's one in three.
Whatever the fuck it is.
The idea that you have to censor yourself because of the...
You can choose to.
You can choose to if that's your style of comedy.
You can choose to.
But for you to get mad at someone who doesn't choose to, it's like, ooh, this is a slippery slope.
And I know people don't think it's a slippery slope because you think it's all just about protecting people's feelings, especially victims' feelings.
And I see your point.
But...
At the end of the day, we're gonna have to go over this whole motherfucker with a fine-tooth comb if you want to do that.
You can't just single out stand-up comedy because it's coming from one person and not a giant movie where a woman gets assaulted and beaten or raped or whatever.
See, and I also feel like I give myself the same credit I give the audience.
Like, I really do.
And it's like we all say we want to just treat people like you want to be treated.
Well, I treat the audience with the same level of intellectual respect that I want.
And I went and saw Joan Rivers, and it's the edgiest set I've ever seen a comic do.
And I mean, this was a few years ago at the Cutting Room in New York.
She's doing 9-11 jokes.
I mean, fucking bullshit.
Brutal!
And I literally wanted to cry at the end of it because I'm like, that is what we should be doing.
It is taking everything horrible that we experience, and I mean horrible, and making a room full of people laugh about it.
And when we walked out of there, my feelings about 9-11 had not changed, my feelings about rape, my feelings about AIDS. Not one thing she said made me value those real experiences less.
Not one thing she said made me devalue anything, made me lose respect for the horror of 9-11.
Nothing changed for me other than I was able to temporarily laugh at something that I knew was awful.
So why wouldn't I give my audience the same credit for being able to come to the conclusion I came to watching Joan Rivers?
Well, to take their argument, it would be because you haven't been raped, you haven't been murdered, you didn't lose loved ones in 9-11, and that what you should be doing by omitting rape jokes is you should be avoiding triggers, PTSD triggers, avoiding people freaking out and thinking about their rape while they're at a comedy show, just trying to have a good time.
And so their opinion is set up entirely to protect the victims of these crimes.
It's not like a person like you has A certain sensibility about 9-11.
Joan Rivers defies that sensibility but does it in a humorous way and you walk away with the same opinions that you had going in.
Because that's not really what you're dealing with.
What you're dealing with is a victimization crime.
A crime where someone's been dehumanized and them being in the audience watching you talk about that.
You should be more sensitive than that.
So that's their argument.
I think it's a very good argument in a lot of ways.
Everything horrible and things that have affected me and things that haven't.
It's not like I exclude things.
And if you break down humor like that, like you said, fine-tooth comb, every single joke or 90% of the jokes you do, unless you're talking about balloons or bouncing a ball, have hurt somebody.
Well, you talk about, oh my god, was I drunk driving?
Oh my god.
Children being killed by drunk driving is not funny.
If we get that literal with humor, then Almost all jokes comics tell are going to be up for a careful examination.
I think Matt and Trey said it's either all okay or none of it's okay.
I won't make pedophile jokes when Kevin fucking Bacon can't play him in The Woodsman.
I won't do gun jokes when fucking Hollywood can't tell me how bad guns are and then they make a movie called Two Guns, which I have no objection to.
But then don't fucking preach to me about guns, motherfuckers.
And it's a very important point, the idea of censorship.
I can understand that people don't want someone in the audience to be impacted negatively about you making light of something that's a horrific crime that they've suffered from personally.
But that doesn't mean you should stop.
Okay?
And it doesn't mean that you're a dick, either.
What it means is, you're saying something that hits them personally.
And, you know, then maybe you shouldn't go see Jim Norton.
And that sounds like a fucked up thing to say, but really that's the reality of the situation.
So the same way should be with certain types of humor.
And when you break it down, what's the worst that can happen if you see something?
Am I going to talk about something that they don't show on Law& Order constantly?
Jesus, the whole thing's a fucking rape-murder fest.
Everything people like is a rape or a murder or some kind of voyeurism.
And I will acknowledge and honor people's abhorrence to violence when there's an accident in the southbound lane and the traffic in my lane doesn't slow down.
People slow down to look because they want to see it.
They want to fucking see it on some level, but they don't admit they want to see it.
Their argument would be, and again, this is what they would say, is because rape, murder victims, you're not taught to be silent about murder.
You're taught to be silent about rape.
And there's a lot of rape victims who are too scared to report the crime.
No one is scared to report a murder, unless it's a mob thing.
They're saying the perception of the crime is different and there's such a shame with it where there's not a shame with murder, there's not a shame with these other things.
And again, I heard what she said and I listened to it and I did get it, but I don't do a whole shitload of jokes on rape victims anyway.
But if that's the case, and it probably is the case, then be for castration of rapists.
Or fight the fact that the recidivism rate is so high in these fucking pigs because they're being let out of jail.
Like, fight that!
Don't worry about what dumb...
Contributing to a fucking rape culture is nonsense, and to say a comedian contributes to rape culture is simply bullshit, and it's simplistic thinking.
It's a way of saying, I don't like what you're saying, and I don't want you to say it, But I can't come out with that, so I have to find a higher reason which makes it sound like you shouldn't say it for this reason.
Well, even the term rape culture, you know, someone on my message board said, do they have like meetings?
Do they have a magazine?
Like, is it really a culture?
Like, what are you talking about?
And by calling it that, by defining it in those terms...
Calling it rape culture.
When you put quotes around that, it starts to be real.
And I don't mean that it's going to encourage people to rape, but I mean the idea that there's a culture that supports rape is going to be real.
It's going to be something that people address as if it's real, regardless of whether or not it is.
Is it real that people rape?
Absolutely.
But is it real that our culture supports it?
Fuck no, man.
Most people have moms.
Most people have sisters.
What we have a problem with in this country is a lot of people are making shitty human beings.
There's a lot of terrible fucking parents who are doing a shitty job.
And they're making shitty human beings.
And they're also raising these shitty human rings around a bunch of other kids that were created by shitty human beings.
And they don't know what the fuck they're doing either.
And no one's paying attention to their kids.
Making a human being and raising a human being is a massive undertaking.
And all the people out there that are doing their best, I commend you and congratulate you.
All the parents out there that are taking their kid to wrestling classes and martial arts and their daughter to dance classes or martial arts if she wants to do it or anything.
Where you're getting them involved in activities, building discipline in them, developing their character.
Most people don't get that in this life, right?
They don't get taught how to behave how to be a good human being the qualities and the values of friendship and and Community that should be bestowed upon children at a very early age But for most of us we have to get the fuck out of the house for we can figure out that on our own And we figure it out by friendships.
And we figure it out by meeting people in life and learning from them.
But we're doing a real shit job of raising kids right out of the box.
And so you come into life with a deficit.
And that deficit manifests itself in a bunch of shitty fucking behavior.
Like, honestly, I think that would change a little bit if we dragged a few of those business guys, not all of them, but a few of them into the street and killed them in the street.
I think that they would stop stealing people's money.
I think we talked about this last podcast, and we briefly talked about it today.
I just found out the blue cigarettes, the one that we always talk about with that one dude in it, the sexy guy that's smoking a fake cigarette, Stephen Dorff.
That company, Blue, is owned by the third largest tobacco company.
But I want people to go and see it there because Epics gave me money to do it and they artistically got out of my way.
They're amazing.
For a comedian, the only thing you could do better with them as a network is just do it and shoot it yourself and put it on your own TV because they're very, very good about leaving you alone.
Which is all a comedian wants is to be left the fuck alone from a network.
I think that the same thing that we were talking about, how there's a broad spectrum of art that people like, whether it's music or movies or whatever, there's also a broad spectrum of content distribution methods.
And the one that we've all been stuck with was television.
15 minutes commercial, another 15 minutes commercial, all these fucking commercials and all these breaks and all this editing and all this censorship and all this shit they're trying to sell in between in Toyota cars and Tide fucking detergent and all this shit that they're doing, other than the actual performance itself, then all of a sudden the internet comes along.
And then, like Louis C.K. did, you release it all, you sell it for five bucks, you watch the whole thing, it's an entirety, and then you go, why would I ever fucking do it any other way?
Why would I try to listen to a bunch of other people try to shape it, and then put sandwich commercials in it, and then censor it?
It's also when you cut out all the other bullshit as far as networks and commercials and putting them on the amount of production money that has to be paid off by commercials and all that jazz.
When we take all that out of the equation, it's pretty easy to get your money back.
You don't have to sell that much to get your money back, and then it becomes profitable.
Now, do you ever think about doing something on your own?
Do you see, like, in the time that you're on, like, you guys were one of the first...
On Sirius Satellite Radio.
And, you know, in my opinion, like, that move that where we guys shifted over to Sirius Satellite Radio, that changed a lot of, like, people's ideas of, like, how to do a radio show.
Because between you guys and Stern, all of a sudden we heard swearing on a regular basis on a radio show.
And Brewer, Brewer's show, Brewer Unleashed.
You got to hear, like, people just hanging out.
And then I think that is what gave birth to a lot of podcasts.
One talk show, and I have one scripted show, which I actually think is good, and I'm ultra-critical of my shit, and I always think it stinks, but I'm actually happy with this, so hopefully I'll be able to get it sold or do it online.
So now we can stream easy with no hiccups, download things at ridiculous speeds.
Before we were crippled with a shitty DSL connection.
There's a lot of things that go into building one of these things or hiring people to build one of these things, but it's cool to do because it's cool to make it your way.
Like, I want a brick behind me.
Okay, let's make it bricks.
I want a werewolf in the lobby.
Okay, let's get a werewolf.
I want an oak wall or oak table that's made out of 100-year-old reprocessed farm wood or reclaimed farm wood so you can do shit like that.
No, but what I meant by that, and this was more to this, was the fact that the Taliban held bin Laden and shielded bin Laden and refused to give him to us.
That was what I felt happened.
I felt that they were complicit in allowing him to operate there.
So while the whole country didn't attack us, I feel, had they just given us Bin Laden, we never would have attacked Afghanistan.
You're a smart guy, and you know that the line that you get from the media, whether press releases or what have you, you know it's garbage.
So why would you think that they really were shielding Osama Bin Laden in Afghanistan.
When you know what you know about Jessica Lynch, where they lied about Jessica Lynch being rescued, she was kidnapped, and meanwhile she was just in a hospital in Iraq, and they didn't even fire a bullet when they got her out of there, and she actually was pretty vocal about it, and in that received death threats and was threatened by numerous people that she was called a traitor because she didn't go along with the company line.
And then, of course, you know the Pat Tillman story.
You know the difference between his brother's version of the events and his brother's version of how his brother Pat Tillman felt about being in the war once he was there.
So different from what the government was saying in their press releases.
And then when we found out that it was actually Friendly Fire that killed him, it was actually killed by American troops.
The whole thing becomes incredibly complex and really fucked up and you're realizing that someone's lying to you and they're painting a bad picture.
So why would you assume that they're telling you the truth about Osama bin Laden being hid by the Taliban in Afghanistan?
I firmly believe, I do think that he was there, and I do think that they just caught him the way they said.
I don't believe everything the government tells me, at all.
But in this particular case, it makes sense to me, and it's not that difficult a stretch for me to make, that he was holed up there and they finally got him.
It took ten fucking years.
I don't see the government being patient enough.
Or anybody not wanting to grab...
Like, Bush was getting slaughtered in the polls.
There's no way anybody on the Republican side would have allowed that to continue.
You know what I mean?
They could have grabbed the glory for it, as opposed to under Obama's watch.
So, do I believe that the Taliban...
If it was the French government, I would not have believed they were hiding him.
Even Saddam Hussein.
I probably wouldn't have believed.
And I was originally for the Iraq war, and then I'm against it.
I shouldn't have been for it.
But with Afghanistan, I feel they were much more of religious fanatics, and you see the way the Taliban are, and I do think that they were protecting him and they were okay with him being there.
So that was why I was okay.
With us lashing out at them, Iraq was a mistake, and I wish we hadn't gone there, because I think that most of the Iraq people don't give a fuck about us, and I don't think American lives should be shed over that shit.
Like, I believe in pulling—get them out of Germany, too!
Yeah, well, you can't say that because nobody's going to agree to go to war then.
I mean, that's been the strategy from the beginning of time.
That's what Eisenhower warned people about when he was leaving office.
That's what people have always said.
I mean, did you ever read that Smedley Butler thing he wrote?
He was a general in like 1935. I think we both know I haven't.
So it's kind of a famous piece.
It's called War is a Racket.
And he wrote this whole thing about his entire career in the military being a racket.
It was all about money, about bankers, and about oil companies, and about all these different things where he thought he was doing one thing, but he was really just protecting the interests of these gigantic institutions.
And when you read it, it's really hard to read because it's hard to wrap your head around the fact that this was 1930-something.
And it's the same now.
It's the same way now, almost a hundred years later.
Just, you know, guys like Bernie Madoff and all these, it's just growing up a little bit more or looking at things differently or reading more about, you know, just whatever changes in opinion over time.
All of a sudden, these old dudes are just naked with perpetual hard-ons.
Just running these harems that they have up there.
What a barbaric way of living life they have.
I mean, they have these...
What a lot of people don't realize about Afghanistan is if you watch documentaries on it or talk to people that have been there, it really is like it's frozen in time.
Like, there's people that are warlords and they control segments of the land and then they're bordered by other warlords and these guys have like 20 wives and...
But if you look at the entirety of the situation, you would see that there would, I would think that there's probably a benefit in giving a lot of people money because they make you, they're indebted to you.
Those people are indebted to you and then you can kind of do things.
And we can't do all that if we don't give them money.
And if we don't give them money, and then they all start fucking forming their own organizations, then it's not One World Power anymore like it is now.
The reason why One World Power works is because we put the whole world...
It's sort of a perpetual welfare state where the whole world relies on the United States either for military support or from financial support or something.
And by doing that, it's a terrible way of looking at it, but the reality is when you have these countries that are indebted to you, those countries kind of owe you.
You can get them to do shit and stay calm and they don't try to take over the world.
They owe a fuckload of money, you have military bases there, and you keep things on that level.
And when you tell people how many bases the United States has in other countries, most people have no idea.
There's more than a hundred different countries in the world that have United States military presence.
When you hear about that, you go, wait a minute, what?
I really do, and I do think we're a great country.
I mean, you talk about American exceptionalism.
I believe a lot of it, and some of it I think is a bit overblown.
But I have patriotism and pride, and this is not about me, oh, fuck America at all.
I just hate the—because the same mentality that— Do as I say, not as I do shit trickles down into our daily lives and eventually affects us as comics and performers because people feel comfortable being self-righteous or duplicitous.
And it makes me fucking crazy.
But we're bellyaching about Snowden.
What the fuck do we think the Soviets are going to do?
Not only that, do you know what the reason, like, the critical boiling point was where they decided to accept his acceptance for his application for asylum?
Thank you.
Couldn't stumble through that quick enough.
The United States was criticizing Russia for trying to silence political dissent.
They literally had the balls to criticize Russia for silencing political dissent while the biggest whistleblower in the history of our country is sitting in their airport.
Are you guys that arrogant that you think that you can criticize us while we're holding the guy that fucking released all those documents that proved that you guys are lying twats?
I mean, Obama went on The Tonight Show with Jay Leno and was lying about it.
Wasn't telling the truth about releasing the...
First of all, he was saying that people are not being spied on.
But that's not true.
People are being spied on.
And they're telling the DEA... They're showing them how to fake an investigation so that they don't show that they got the records from the NSA. They're showing them how to retroactively piece together an investigation.
So they say, well, we arrived at our results this way.
If you already know someone's guilty because you have the NSA paperwork on them, Email, phone calls, what have you.
All you have to do is zoom in on this guy and then you could find the evidence and find a reason to investigate him because you know he's guilty already.
The real problem with it is not just the fact they're catching people doing things.
Like, I'm all for you removing meth labs.
Don't get me wrong.
The problem is you're also asking investigators to fake an investigation.
And when you do that, you're asking public servants to lie.
position, the position of law enforcement, you're asking them to behave unethically.
You know what the fucking laws are.
And, you know, if you catch someone doing something and you don't want to reveal the message in which you caught them, so you think it's okay to lie, well, that's a slippery goddamn slope.
Well, you know, sociologists have an interesting take on what's going on.
And as far as our attraction to gossip and gossip magazines and TMZ-type things and celebrity gossip...
And what they're saying is that we are in a weird point in time where we have the largest populations, big giant populations, but we don't know each other anymore.
I mean, you live in New York City, you live in an apartment building, right?
And plus, well, network TV do that to themselves by emasculating comedies and language and making everything so soft and wrapped up and palatable that reality now stands out so much more.
Part of that is a lot of it, probably what you're saying, and some of it is because the writing on regular television is so soft.
And that's, again, that's not, the writers are probably very good, but it's just such fucking predictable drama.
And they had this ad for this Jackass film, and it's a film they did where they made up these scenarios and did all these little stunts, but they did them in front of real people.
So people had no idea why it was going on.
I mean, it is fucking funny.
Like, laugh out loud funny.
Because you don't realize as you're watching it, it's like, is this an act?
Watch this I don't want to tell people who are listening to this what's happening because I could probably get in trouble for Look at the grandpa with the cash!
What they did was, instead of making another goofy comedy, they made a hilarious thing where they did it in front of people and the people had no idea.
It's hard to say, when I'm doing good, I'm doing good, but when I'm doing bad, there's been times where literally, I get home from radio at 11, and then all of a sudden, it's like, you know, I've eaten and stuff, but it's like, man, it's 8.30, I gotta go to work.
Like, the whole day was wasted.
It's like so many of those days, it's like being in a fog.
When I'm acting out sexually, I don't sleep as well.
If I'm jerking off to videos right before, it fucks my mind up, man.
When I'm off sex shit for a week or so and I'm not jacking off and I'm not obsessing, it's like my brain goes, And I can breathe and think normally and live normally.
But when I am constantly fucking getting that dopamine drip...
Like, I literally was recently...
I kept jerking off before sleep and I wasn't coming.
I would edge.
I would get myself close and then stop.
And then get myself close.
And I realized this the other night.
I feel high.
I'm getting myself fucking high.
I'm like a chimp or a fucking gerbil going for a little fucking...
I'm going for this high feeling and then I can sleep.
I would need to go to a certain 12-step meeting, which I've attempted to go to, or I've gone to, talk to people in those fellowships that get it and understand it and don't go, ah, you're just a guy being a guy.
Like, they get it, man.
Like, you know...
And I would have to just stop doing it.
It's really difficult because it's like you act out.
If I drink, I drink.
If I get high, I get high.
Of course, I don't do those things.
But sexual shit is thought.
Food is really hard because you have to eat to live.
But with sexual shit, if I start thinking it, that triggers stuff.
It's really, really difficult to not fall into that pattern.
You could do it in America, but it's not legal, where you're doing this combinatory psychedelic drug that allows you to look at your life and look at all the issues that you have that's wrong.
It's the recidivism rate, like the rate of fixing recidivism in things like heroin addiction.
It's one of the best cures ever.
That and there's another one, another psychedelic drug called Ibogaine.
Ibogaine, if you know anything about Hunter S. Thompson, that's what he accused Ed Muskie of being on during the 1970 political campaigns, presidential campaigns.
He wrote some stories in the Rolling Stone saying that there was rumors that Ed Muskie had brought in a Brazilian doctor and he was high on Ibogaine.
Yeah, but you have a pattern in your mind that needs to be reset.
And you could reset your mind slowly over time, or you could reset it in one big fucking dump of information, like a DMT trip or like an Ibogaine trip.
And I know you have this thing about not wanting to get high or not wanting to be intoxicated.
But I think you're thinking of a completely different effect than what you're going to get on this experience.
Don't get me wrong, I'm sure you probably can cure it without a psychedelic experience.
But in the way you're talking about it, it sounds like a lot of other psychedelic, a lot of other obsessive, compulsive sort of things that psychedelics can cure.
I don't have a problem with drinking or with drugs.
But I do have a lot of extremity.
I have a lot of impulses and a lot of craziness.
But I keep it under wraps.
That's one of the reasons why I have to work out.
I work out on a regular basis.
I need discipline in my life in order to keep order.
But if I got like that, whether it was...
Jerking off or if I got into a drug or it became like super impulsive like that I'd like to think that I would be able to pull myself back because I'm objective because I look at myself and I'm self-analyzed a lot but but I'm not that confident It's one of the reasons why I've never touched anything really addictive Besides alcohol, which isn't addictive to me, but I've never fucked with anything that could get you.
For me, it gives me a perspective that's not available without the pot.
Obviously, I can get introspective.
I can think about things deeply without any help.
I don't need any marijuana or drugs.
But when I take them, I often feel like there's windows that are open that wouldn't be open ordinarily.
Carl Sagan had a quote about that.
Let me see if I can remember it because it's a fascinating quote because Carl Sagan is one of my favorite all-time science cats.
He's a bad motherfucker.
This is what he said.
I'm convinced that there are genuine and valid levels of perception available with cannabis and probably other drugs which are, through the defects of our society and our educational system, unavailable to us without such drugs.
And sometimes you need that for reference, and I also like the distraction of it because it puts less pressure on me Like, even if it's on watching Black Sabbath videos.
Like, I'll go on YouTube and watch Sabbath live in fucking Melbourne again, because I feel like watching Ozzy sing God is Dead for the 5,000.
And that will distract me from it, and then creatively, like, oh, okay.
It allows me to step away for a second mentally, because I'm just forcing myself, you know, write, write, I can't write.
And I would say that yoga would keep you from being a sex addict, but the fucking head of Bikram's is getting sued like a motherfucker for rape and sexual assault and driving a Rolls Royce, a bunch of shit.
Well, you talk to guys who worked at prisons, and they'll say they're peeking in the cells, and dudes are just jacking it, like, looking right at them.
I usually try to do it right when I wake up, where I didn't wash my hands good enough, and I was at Starbucks, and I had a little bit of lotion still on my hand when I was paying for my stuff.
Well, we lost Terrestrial Radio, which I was happy for, but it became harder to do, and it became harder to get guys booked.
It just went away.
The merger happened, and things changed once we merged.
There were disadvantages to it, and there were advantages to it.
You know, I like being in our old studio at XM. The thing about Sirius I like is the guests we can get are much better because they're already in the building, so a lot of times we get people that we would not have gotten ever.
I really mean, I feel like I'm boring when I talk too long.
I just can't, I fucking would be out of my mind.
I like to snipe.
I like to fucking sit there and watch fucking Greg and Tony do the heavy lifting, and I pipe in with, like you said, the fucking quick shots, or I fucking, I'm the fucking sniper in full metal jacket.
I'll just shoot a few bullets and then sit back and let them do the heavy lifting, and I like that.
If it wasn't for you guys, I don't think I would have ever started a podcast.
And if it wasn't for Anthony doing Live from the Compound, Brian and I would have never started doing that Ustream show, the show that kind of started it out.
We kind of had an idea of doing something like this a long time ago.
But seeing...
Anthony Do It from his place really motivated me because Anthony set up a green screen and put a professional desk in there and had professional microphones and cameras.
I mean he really went balls out.
He told me he spent like a stupid amount of money to convert the downstairs of his house into a recording studio and this is a guy who already has a fucking full-time gig.
And if you've never seen Live from the Compound, he did some with his ex-girlfriend, Melissa, where he would get fucking shit-faced hammered.
You know, I think that a lot of our takes on these things, a lot of the interaction that we have, whether it's blog to blog or Twitter to Twitter, it's such a limited way of communicating.
And a lot of these same people that we have disagreements with online, if we sat down with them in a rational, sort of normal setting like this, and just talked...
We would probably see each other's point a lot better and have some healthy discussions about these things as opposed to these snipe attacks that people like to do in blogs or in Twitter and go back and forth with each other.
one-way interactions.
When I say something and then you say something.
And, you know, when you communicate with each other, a lot of times you can get to know someone a lot better.
That's why I like that conversation.
It was, you know, you could tell there was some real discourse going on there.
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I'm trying to do Uncle Creepy this week.
That's Ian McCall.
I'm going to see if I can get him in here before I take off from Boston.