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Joe Rogan Experience #382 - Greg Fitzsimmons
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joe rogan
Hey, freaks.
What's happening?
Friends?
People offended by freak?
You too.
What the fuck's going on?
Don't say tranny.
You're not allowed to say that anymore.
That's a new one.
They removed tranny.
Tranny's bad now.
Even if you're saying that right now, it's very dangerous.
greg fitzsimmons
You removed to make a tranny also.
joe rogan
Oh, you son of a bitch.
You rearrange.
You're not supposed to say that anymore.
It's transgender.
greg fitzsimmons
You recycle.
joe rogan
Even if you love transgender people, you're not allowed to say that.
Even if you have nothing but love in your heart, tranny's out now.
It's offensive.
greg fitzsimmons
I'll never be able to embrace it.
I accept it, and I honor it, but it fucking eats at me.
My head can't wrap around it.
joe rogan
You know what you head can wrap around Greg Fitzsimmons?
Legalzoom.com!
Let me tell you, kid!
If you ever have had to do anything legal involving setting up a corporation, it's kind of a pain in the ass.
You've got to go to someone's office, you've got to pay some dude a lot of money.
greg fitzsimmons
Cost me a ton of money.
joe rogan
Well, you can do it on LegalZoom for $99.
They'll talk you through it.
If you run into troubles, they can connect you with an independent attorney.
If you need additional guidance, independent attorney.
So, If you get to one of those situations where you're like, you know what?
I think I might be fucked.
And you're looking at all you've created and you're like, I don't think this is legal.
I don't think I know what I'm doing.
Like, ah!
They'll hook you up.
And LegalZoom, they want to emphasize that it's not a law firm.
They provide self-help services at your specific direction.
But if you need things, like if you need to write a will or need to do something along those lines, you can do that online with LegalZoom.com.
With LegalZoom.com, and it makes it much easier than going somewhere.
I mean, this is where the world is coming.
Eventually you're going to be able to do everything on your fucking computer.
I mean, just like Stamps.com, this is the same kind of thing.
You're going to be able to do these things on your computer, and LegalZoom.com is an excellent example of that.
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It's an excellent service.
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That's Mike Dolce, and he knows a lot about food.
But apparently he thinks you can eat wheat.
I've got to talk to him about that.
unidentified
I've got to find out if I'm wasting my time not eating wheat.
joe rogan
I'm all gluten-free right now, Greg Fitzsimmons.
greg fitzsimmons
I heard wheat is the shit.
That's the new thing.
It is the complete food source.
joe rogan
Really?
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's all you need?
That it's the best food source?
greg fitzsimmons
That is the best in terms of the amount of different nutrients and fiber.
joe rogan
There you go.
greg fitzsimmons
You see people that drink shots of wheatgrass.
joe rogan
That's true.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That is true.
Is that the same, though?
I don't know.
Is wheatgrass the same as wheat?
I don't think it is.
It sure doesn't fucking look like it.
brian redban
Wheat's the brown shit that we have in Ohio that you chew on when you're thinking about things.
joe rogan
When you want to look like Uncle Barry Finn.
Right, right.
I don't know.
I'm trying gluten-free for a while.
See how it works.
So far, it works so good.
But Mike Dolce has got Ultimate Grocery Guide up there on it.
You can learn more about that.
Mike Dolce is a guy that a lot of the MMA fighters use for their nutrition, counseling.
He's a really smart guy when it comes to diet.
So I've got to ask him about this wheat thing, find out what's good or bad about it.
But mostly what we sell on Onnit is things that can enhance human performance.
All stuff like strength and conditioning equipment, supplements like hemp protein powder and things along those lines.
It's all just things that if you use them on a regular basis, they can enhance human performance.
Whether it's medicine balls or weighted vests or kettlebell cardio DVDs.
All the stuff that we sell, the idea is that it's going to enhance.
If you use it and you work out with it It'll enhance the way your body works.
If you take the supplements, it'll enhance the way your body functions.
greg fitzsimmons
I want big muscles.
joe rogan
You should get some.
greg fitzsimmons
I need some.
I need bigger muscles.
joe rogan
Are you ready?
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Commit.
You've got to be sore all the time, though.
greg fitzsimmons
I've got a big mouth.
I need to start backing it up.
joe rogan
At almost 50, you're like, fuck it.
It's time to really knuckle up and get tough.
greg fitzsimmons
I'm not going to calm down.
I'm tired of being the guy with the sand kicked in his face.
joe rogan
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Greg Fitzsimmons is in the fucking house, my friends.
Cue it, Brian.
unidentified
The Joe Rogan experience.
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joe rogan
Sweet, sweet Greg Fitzsimmons, you beautiful savage, you.
Always good to see you, my friend.
greg fitzsimmons
What a hang this is going to be, baby.
Kicking back, got some Girl Scout cookies and your special coffee, what's it called?
joe rogan
It's called Bulletproof Coffee.
greg fitzsimmons
Oh man, that goes down smooth.
joe rogan
It's a Dave Asprey creation.
He invented creating coffee with grass-fed butter and MCT oil.
Medium triglyceride oil.
greg fitzsimmons
It gives you a caffeine high and it's a lip balm.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
It keeps you greasy.
The idea with it is that because it has the caffeine blended in with the butter and the MCT oil, that it's more of a slow-release effect.
greg fitzsimmons
Right.
joe rogan
It takes your body a while to digest it as opposed to like coffee just go right in your bloodstream.
greg fitzsimmons
And you don't get the crash with this as much.
joe rogan
Exactly.
Exactly.
greg fitzsimmons
It's much less of a crash.
Isn't that how they do medicinal marijuana stuff is in the butter, right?
joe rogan
Yes.
Yes.
I do not know.
I've never made anything or cooked anything.
I don't know the process, but I know there's something involved cooking it to activate the THC in an edible form.
I think, though, that you can get high with it if you just eat it on its own.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
I think you have to eat an assload of it.
I think it's no joke.
greg fitzsimmons
Right.
joe rogan
You have to have salads.
greg fitzsimmons
Right.
joe rogan
Then maybe you can catch a little bit of a buzz.
greg fitzsimmons
That's the new wheat, man.
joe rogan
Yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
Cannabis salads.
joe rogan
Did you hear about Sanjay Gupta on CNN? Fucking incredible.
I mean, first of all, props to CNN for airing this and this guy for coming out with this.
This is an incredibly controversial stance.
This guy, Sanjay Gupta, he went and over the last year, he was working on a documentary called Weed.
Before he started this project, he thought that marijuana was bad for you.
He thought marijuana was addictive.
He thought that marijuana was something that should be avoided.
And at the end of this project, he's writing this story apologizing.
He says, I apologize because I didn't look hard enough until now.
I didn't look far enough.
I didn't review papers from smaller labs in other countries.
doing some remarkable research, and I was too dismissive of the loud chorus of legitimate patients whose symptoms improved on cannabis.
Instead, I lumped them in with the high-visibility maliners.
Is that how you say that?
greg fitzsimmons
Maliners.
joe rogan
Maliners.
Just looking to get high.
I mistakenly believe the Drug Enforcement Agency listed marijuana as a Schedule I substance because of sound scientific proof.
Surely they must have quality reasoning as to why marijuana is in the category of the most dangerous drugs that have no accepted medical use and use a high potential for abuse.
So he wrote this long article.
I don't want to keep reading it.
greg fitzsimmons
And he also admitted he was wrong.
As a doctor to go on camera and say I was wrong?
joe rogan
I wonder though.
This almost makes me wonder.
It almost seems like some sort of a shift in policy.
Because the reality of CNN and MSNBC and Fox News, these are giant companies.
They're huge companies.
They don't just say things.
They don't just say whatever the fuck they want to say.
None of that gets done.
It has to go through a bunch of people, and they have to decide, are we doing this?
What are we doing?
Are we going to print this?
greg fitzsimmons
Is this going to piss off Ted Turner?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Who's going to get upset by this?
Is this going to cost anybody money?
Are we okay with this?
Should we move in this direction?
And then they print a story like this.
Because I just got to think that something as big as CNN, like, they could have said, like, maybe in the 80s, if you tried to print the story, they would have been like, bitch, get the fuck out of here.
We're not putting this on the air.
greg fitzsimmons
Well, especially because Nancy Reagan had just declared the war on drugs.
joe rogan
Yes, exactly.
The just say no era.
That's when you and I started doing comedy.
It was like, what a beautiful, like...
The kickstart everybody had to their act.
greg fitzsimmons
Right.
joe rogan
There was always a drug war joke because it was so preposterous.
greg fitzsimmons
Kitty Dukakis drinking, rubbing alcohol and war on drugs.
joe rogan
Nobody remembers that story.
That was when Mike Dukakis was running for president.
He had a couple of blunders.
The tank thing.
greg fitzsimmons
The tank thing.
joe rogan
He got in a tank and put a soldier's outfit on and let them take pictures of him.
And everybody was like, what the fuck are you doing?
greg fitzsimmons
Because he was the wimpiest human being.
He was worse than Ross Perot.
joe rogan
Yeah.
They wanted to improve his image as a leader.
greg fitzsimmons
He looked like a snail.
Like this little wrinkly neck sticking out.
It was like pale white face.
And he was one of those guys.
He's like Ralph Nader.
In that he doesn't give a fuck that his suit isn't from Brooks Brothers and Will Taylor.
It's like, asshole, you're running for president.
You actually have to take the time to get a decent suit.
joe rogan
There's the picture.
Oh my god, look at him.
Look at that shit.
Who told you to do that?
He's got like a full helmet on and shit.
brian redban
What does he do now?
I haven't heard anything about him in a long time.
greg fitzsimmons
He's probably a professor.
joe rogan
It's a good question.
Oh my God, can you imagine if that was your teacher in school?
Well, he's obviously a brilliant man.
You know, I think the idea of running for president, it must be so fucking incredibly stressful.
I mean, that you see a woman just completely lose it and start drinking rubbing alcohol.
I mean, she needs to get tanked up so bad and there's nothing in the house.
She's drinking aftershave.
greg fitzsimmons
Betty Ford.
Fuck, man.
They were all drunks.
joe rogan
Imagine the pressure of the White House.
Just wrap your head around the pressure of making all the decisions.
The pressure of being the guy everywhere you go.
There's fucking security everywhere around you.
Bulletproof cars and getting on jets and flying to other countries.
And you're like the center of the representation of the conflict in the world.
Like, fuck!
greg fitzsimmons
Not only that, people are talking about those fishermen that go out In Alaska, and it's the most dangerous job.
How about this?
How about this statistic?
I looked this up.
I counted, maybe I counted wrong, but I think 10% of presidents have been killed in office or died in office.
So what other job would have a 10% chance of you dying in four years?
Not in the life of the job.
So, you know, you got that hanging over your head.
joe rogan
The two best ones ever assassinated.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
Lincoln, Kennedy.
I mean, those are the heroes.
Those are the James Deans of presidents.
greg fitzsimmons
Right.
joe rogan
You know, if you look back at, like, who's the bad motherfuckers?
Those are the guys that got killed in office.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Those are the ones we miss.
Those are the ones that they thought was the one.
They were going to do it.
They were going to fix it.
greg fitzsimmons
Well, and on the other side, Reagan was that guy, and they tried to kill him.
unidentified
Well, Reagan was a totally different animal.
joe rogan
It's interesting how Reagan, over time, has become something that's much more acceptable to like.
greg fitzsimmons
Absolutely.
Well, time always whitewashes.
I mean, Henry Kissinger, the guy, he can't leave the country because he would be arrested as a war criminal in, I forget how many countries it is, but this motherfucker, Kissinger ordered illegal bombings in Cambodia.
Right.
I mean, you're talking about genocide.
If you are flat out bombing, carpet bombing a population that you're not at war with, that's a fucking war crime.
And now, I just saw him on Colbert last night.
They did a sketch with Kissinger and it's like, no!
It's not funny.
It's not okay.
He's a fucked up human being.
joe rogan
I had no idea that he'd done that.
I don't have any knowledge of 1970s politics.
I know almost nothing.
I know a little bit about the campaign that Hunter Thompson covered for fear and loathing on the campaign trail.
greg fitzsimmons
Oh, right.
joe rogan
Which was great.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's about my extent.
My knowledge of 1970s politics.
unidentified
Yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
I've never looked into it that much, unfortunately.
1970s period is...
I must have been molested because I got nothing on those 10 years.
joe rogan
Well, we were kids.
We're about the same age.
I'm 45. 47. I'll be 46 soon.
brian redban
Both of you getting fucked in the ass by a neighbor.
greg fitzsimmons
Right.
joe rogan
We blacked it out.
greg fitzsimmons
Is that what you're saying?
Is that what you're saying?
joe rogan
No.
greg fitzsimmons
I think disco fucked me in the ass, so I just blocked out the 70s.
joe rogan
Did you remember when you were really young going to dance clubs and trying to meet girls?
greg fitzsimmons
The palace in Revere.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
greg fitzsimmons
Wasn't that your place?
joe rogan
Well, it was everybody's place.
If somebody wanted to go somewhere and try to meet a girl.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
But those were so ridiculous.
I only went a couple times to those places with my friends, and I always remember being like, what the fuck are we doing?
Like, what kind of a crazy way to meet human beings is this?
brian redban
Did you ever try country?
That was even worse, where you'd go like, wait, you're supposed to square dance?
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
Dude, do you remember the time we went to North Carolina?
Were you with me at Charlie Goodnight's?
We went next door to that bar.
greg fitzsimmons
Oh, I know that bar.
joe rogan
There's a bar, and they are all singing along to a song you never fucking heard in your life.
unidentified
It's got my dog in the porch in the house.
joe rogan
And they're singing this shit, and they're going all round.
They're dancing together.
greg fitzsimmons
Is it that step dancing that they all did together?
joe rogan
It wasn't that.
They did that.
They definitely did that too.
But this was another thing.
This is just a song that Brian and I had never fucking heard of.
But apparently it sold like a hundred million albums in the South.
So we're in the South and this is like, it comes on, they're like, woo!
It was like, I'm like, we're in another country!
When you're going to a place where they're country fans, that is a whole other country.
That's the people who know who won NASCAR. Did you hear Dale did it again?
Did you hear he did it again?
And then there's fucking everybody that lives in that area.
I mean, that's a different part of the world.
There's songs that they love that you have never fucking heard of.
And they'll be like, you ain't heard of Clint Friven?
No!
Clint Friven?
Clint Friven sold 14 million albums!
unidentified
Right!
joe rogan
And you're like, what?
Who the fuck is Clint Friven?
greg fitzsimmons
And you realize, like, Pearl Jam sold 1 million.
joe rogan
And they are just as ridiculous as, like, uber-goth guys.
Because you know how, like, uber-goth guys, they're, like, wearing, like, black makeup and, you know, they're, like, really, like, completely, like, posing in this bizarre thing that they're doing.
What are you doing with a fucking cowboy hat shithead with a turquoise belt buckle and slippery ass boots?
Those things are dumb.
What century are you living in?
greg fitzsimmons
What are you doing here?
And it's like people that maybe they love Halloween and they want to go around all year.
You know, I'm a cowboy.
joe rogan
Got my dog on the porch.
brian redban
What if the music doesn't even sell that well?
It's just that they're so dumb, they keep on losing their CDs, they have to keep on buying them over and over.
joe rogan
Well, look, as far as outfits go, Cowboy's a cool-ass outfit.
That's one thing I have to admit.
Like, if you're dressing up like a cowboy, if you're a dude and you got the balls to rock cowboy boots and a Stetson, and you're going out...
greg fitzsimmons
And tight-ass jeans.
joe rogan
Even if they're not, or not, you know?
That is a ballsy move.
greg fitzsimmons
Right.
joe rogan
That's a ballsy look to commit to in the year 2013. I see guys on the plane.
I'm not hating.
I just want to be clear about that.
I'm not hating.
If that's how you like to dress, why not?
greg fitzsimmons
Why not?
joe rogan
Look at me.
I'm almost 50. I dress like a 15-year-old.
Always have.
greg fitzsimmons
I dress like a junior varsity coach.
I wear fucking...
joe rogan
Junior varsity coach has sweatpants.
Yeah, you get to a certain point, you're like, that's what's comfortable.
greg fitzsimmons
That's the most comfortable thing.
And then I think about people that...
You think about the possibilities...
In your wardrobe.
They are limitless.
A woman could dress up as, you know, Queen Elizabeth every day.
As a guy.
Yeah, these goth guys, they go, fuck it.
I'm painting my nails, the whole thing.
I'm going to grow my pinky nail really long.
And you just fucking...
And it's like, you can blow people away with that shit, but I don't...
It's like the last thought in my head is to even make an impression with my clothing.
I want it to be a zero.
brian redban
But you should wear a whistle.
That would be funny.
greg fitzsimmons
Why not?
Why not?
That would be hilarious.
joe rogan
Why not?
Just wear a whistle.
Are you the coach?
greg fitzsimmons
That would be fucking hilarious.
joe rogan
Not the coach.
You want to get somebody's attention.
greg fitzsimmons
That's great.
Brian, you're buying me a fucking whistle for my birthday.
joe rogan
Can you imagine if dudes just started wearing whistles?
It became the new cross.
Like a cool whistle.
Oh, he's got a cool whistle on.
greg fitzsimmons
Right.
joe rogan
Look, it easily could be.
Like, you have a whistle and you're like, hey, Bambi.
Like, that could be the thing in clubs.
Like, oh, you see how good he whistles?
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
It could be like a mating thing.
joe rogan
Yes!
We would be like birds chirping at each other.
It's the rape whistle.
With strange whistles.
greg fitzsimmons
Right.
brian redban
That is a rape culture whistle.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
It's the opposite.
It's the mating call ritual.
greg fitzsimmons
It's when she wants you to stop.
joe rogan
It's trying to lure people in with a dance of noise.
If we can make cool noises like a whistle with our mouths, I guess some people probably can.
There's dudes like Michael Woodslow type dudes that can make strange things.
greg fitzsimmons
I can do a water drop.
joe rogan
Isn't it funny though that it's such a valued skill?
unidentified
That's pretty good You guys are fucking 12 years old Look at that.
joe rogan
That's what men do, ladies.
unidentified
There you go.
joe rogan
That's what men do if you leave them alone.
Leave them alone long enough.
They fucking sit in front of each other making stupid noises.
greg fitzsimmons
And then they buy whistles.
joe rogan
Isn't it funny that making cool sounds with your mouth is a valued thing?
brian redban
Hell yeah.
joe rogan
That's why singers are so valued.
When someone is a really good singer, you're like, whoa.
It makes you step back.
Like, holy shit.
greg fitzsimmons
Or Peter Frampton doing that weird wah-wah-wah-wah.
That was the biggest fucking thing.
We thought that was the coolest.
And now you look back and you're like, what was that, wax paper and a comb?
joe rogan
Well, that was when he had that thing that he put in his mouth.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
You remember?
What's one of those things called?
brian redban
What?
joe rogan
Talk box?
brian redban
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, whatever that thing is that rappers use all the time now.
greg fitzsimmons
The auto-tuner, yeah.
joe rogan
Like, Lil Wayne eats through that thing.
greg fitzsimmons
Right.
joe rogan
He eats all his food through that thing.
He uses it all the time.
But, like, Peter Frampton, when he was doing it, I guess it was like, was it the 80s or 70s?
It must be the 70s.
greg fitzsimmons
79, I'm guessing.
unidentified
Google it up.
joe rogan
I wish we could play some of that.
That song, Do You Feel Like I Do?
Oh, my God.
Yeah.
It was one of the first times anybody had ever done that, and people were going nuts.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
They were going nuts.
greg fitzsimmons
Right.
I just remember when I had a picture of a rock star, just that line he had, woke up this morning with a wine glass in my hand.
joe rogan
Whose wine?
What's wine?
Where the hell did I die?
greg fitzsimmons
That's all we wanted.
We wanted to become that guy who's in a penthouse suite with a wine glass in his hand.
joe rogan
Let's do it again.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
unidentified
Dude.
joe rogan
It's a great song.
greg fitzsimmons
Great fucking song.
joe rogan
That was one song that defined that guy.
If you think of Peter Frampton, that is the song you think of right away.
greg fitzsimmons
Cheap Trick, I Want You to Want Me, live at Budokan.
joe rogan
What's crazy about Peter Frampton is that Peter Frampton was a guy who got famous because of his live shows.
Is that right?
Yeah.
His live show was so fantastic.
He was such a showman that to really appreciate his brilliance, you had to see him rock a crowd.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
And so when he does Do You Feel Like I Do in front of a crowd and he's got 20,000 people tuned in to him singing along with him.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
It is some fucking magical shit.
greg fitzsimmons
And that's And he looks 17 while he's doing it.
joe rogan
He was beautiful.
He's a beautiful man.
And because he was one of the first guys to put out a live album like that, and that was one of his first, his big success, was the live album.
That was really rare.
Usually people got a studio album, and then maybe, I think Kiss was one of the first guys that said, fuck it, let's do a live one, Kiss Alive, because they knew how to rock a show.
Their shows were wild.
But Peter Frampton, that Do You Feel Like I Do, when he's got full control of that crowd and they're singing along with him, That is fucking magic.
That's a magic moment.
Can you play a little bit of that?
greg fitzsimmons
He had that Jim Morrison mystique where he was like, you wanted to follow him into this world.
joe rogan
Yeah.
He was a bad motherfucker.
And he was a rock star in the mysterious days.
It was a completely different world back then.
They didn't have Twitter where they said stupid shit and then had to delete it.
That didn't exist.
These were wild dudes and they had no accountability.
greg fitzsimmons
It was like, did you see Almost Famous?
joe rogan
Yes.
greg fitzsimmons
That was kind of like that.
I think in the movie, they're supposed to be following the Allman Brothers, but he said it was a mixture of a few different bands, but it was from that exact time.
joe rogan
That's the Leonard Skinner era.
greg fitzsimmons
Right.
joe rogan
I mean, those were wild motherfuckers, man.
greg fitzsimmons
Right.
joe rogan
In my opinion, the greatest guitar solo the world has ever known is Freebird.
Yes.
Freebird Live.
Have you ever seen the one?
It's Freebird Live, and they're jamming in front of—it's a football arena.
So I don't know, what is that, 100,000 people?
And they are dirty white guys from Florida.
And they're perfect.
They're perfect.
Every note is perfect.
Every fucking string is hit on the right time.
The fucking, just the magical impact of that music.
greg fitzsimmons
It's just confident.
It's guys that have played to you.
Like the Allman Brothers.
joe rogan
These are the post-death.
You gotta go and get the early shit.
greg fitzsimmons
Most underrated band by mainstream rock fans.
joe rogan
Skinnered.
greg fitzsimmons
Fuck band.
joe rogan
People have heard Sweet Home Alabama too many times.
That's the problem.
We've heard it so many times, you're like, oh, get this off the air.
No, no, no.
You need to step back and with fresh eyes, listen to Sweet Home Alabama because that is a fucking beautiful song.
greg fitzsimmons
For Simple Man.
Beautiful ballad.
joe rogan
Beautiful.
greg fitzsimmons
Telling your son how to grow up.
joe rogan
And one of my favorite things about Skynyrd is that they were ugly as fuck.
And almost every song was about getting away from women.
I gotta go.
Every song is they call me the breeze.
I gotta go.
I see ya.
I need to be free.
I can't change.
greg fitzsimmons
Give me three steps to get the fuck out of here.
joe rogan
Every fucking song was like, I gotta get out of here.
See ya.
Take care.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
They even made songs about their friends trying to get them to settle down.
greg fitzsimmons
Well, it was classic blues.
Ugly, getting away from women, being at the crossroads, and a lot of it is about the devil.
joe rogan
There's just so many knuckleheads that love Skynyrd.
That's the problem.
greg fitzsimmons
That's the problem.
joe rogan
The problem is they died young, okay?
And you have an issue when you have so many knuckleheads like a band.
You can get delusional, oh, that's for knuckleheads.
No, no, no, no, it's not.
greg fitzsimmons
Like The Grateful Dead.
I actually like The Grateful Dead.
joe rogan
The Grateful Dead don't do it for me.
greg fitzsimmons
Their fans, they're a buzzkill.
joe rogan
My cousin followed them around for years, was a deadhead.
greg fitzsimmons
She?
joe rogan
Yeah, her and her boyfriend would sell food.
greg fitzsimmons
I was just going to say, they always have a little business that keeps them going.
joe rogan
Yeah, and just go from show to show.
I guess they were just enjoying that community.
It must be very strange to be an outlaw like that, just a rebel from society, going from concert to concert with a little tiny mini ecosystem of selling scrambled eggs out of the back of your car.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
Meeting with all these people and all fucking tripping together.
greg fitzsimmons
And always trying to get a ticket.
They would have signs up, I need a miracle.
joe rogan
Oh, wow.
greg fitzsimmons
That was the sign that you were a real deadhead, not just some douche.
I need a miracle.
And then they'd get them and, you know, it was just like living from vegan tofu patty, just making enough to get that fucking ticket.
joe rogan
It's so weird.
But I get it.
I get it.
I get it.
greg fitzsimmons
Totally get it.
joe rogan
You know what I get?
I get there's a lot of people doing it and it looks like fun.
greg fitzsimmons
Mm-hmm.
joe rogan
I get that it's like, well, this is like an ecosystem.
This is like a little community that you can link up to.
And these guys actually like it.
Like, you know, it's like everybody's happy and they all meet together and they perform these four fucking hour shows and everyone's on acid.
greg fitzsimmons
The dancing.
I mean, I'm telling you, Springsteen is a fucking experience live.
I heard you two is, but a Grateful Dead concert.
I mean, first of all, you're tripping.
Every single person is dancing, not bouncing back and forth, fucking doing the backstroke and looking at the sky like that is really intense to be surrounded by that for four hours.
joe rogan
So is that what it's all about?
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, it's this letting go into this energy.
joe rogan
Is it a show that requires drugs?
greg fitzsimmons
Yes.
brian redban
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yes.
It does.
brian redban
Yeah.
joe rogan
And is it a show that you don't understand until you do it with drugs?
greg fitzsimmons
And then you understand it 100%.
Like, you ever...
The worst feeling in the world...
joe rogan
Strong words.
greg fitzsimmons
You ever go to a concert...
Like, my wife made me go to fucking...
Those are always bad stories.
Dave Matthews' band.
joe rogan
Oh, God, son.
That's an ugly one.
greg fitzsimmons
And the worst thing...
joe rogan
My wife made me go to...
It's always bad.
greg fitzsimmons
I shouldn't say it like that.
joe rogan
The only thing worse than Dave Matthews is John Mayer.
If your wife made you go to a John Mayer concert.
brian redban
John Mayer?
joe rogan
John Mayer.
And she was just enthralled by him.
brian redban
I could do John Mayer.
joe rogan
No, I could do too.
I think he's great.
I think he's very talented.
But if your wife is really into going, she drags you there and just stares at him.
greg fitzsimmons
Right.
And you're like, I paid for this ticket?
joe rogan
You paid to have your wife close her eyes later and think about him.
greg fitzsimmons
You notice she's not clapping because one of her hands slipped down her jeans.
joe rogan
She's just knuckled deep.
unidentified
Oh, Dave Matthews, he's so sensitive!
greg fitzsimmons
She's clapping with one hand.
joe rogan
It sounds like someone's stabbing a seal.
greg fitzsimmons
It sounds like one of those martial arts movies where they rip the guy's heart out after killing him.
joe rogan
She's just fisting herself.
She's all the way to her elbow, just gritting her teeth and pounding it in there.
greg fitzsimmons
She got the wedding ring off.
She's just fucking strafing the...
joe rogan
You can see her ribcage expand as her fist goes up there.
John Mayer, I fucking love you!
Okay, let's go.
greg fitzsimmons
Then you realize it's in her asshole.
You thought it was bad.
joe rogan
It's all fucking shit up to her elbow.
You're like, what is this?
What the fuck are you doing?
I thought we were going to see a concert.
greg fitzsimmons
She starts licking her arm.
joe rogan
Oh, John, man.
greg fitzsimmons
Oh, John.
Oh, you make me eat my shit.
unidentified
Oh.
joe rogan
Meanwhile, that's not the craziest person that ever lived.
greg fitzsimmons
Nope.
joe rogan
That's not even close.
greg fitzsimmons
Nope.
joe rogan
It's not even close.
greg fitzsimmons
If you work in an insane asylum, that's all they do is clean shit up off the walls.
It's all about feces in the mental institutions.
joe rogan
Yeah, what is that?
They say that has something to do with abuse.
greg fitzsimmons
I think it's territorial.
unidentified
Is it really?
greg fitzsimmons
Oh, I didn't hear that.
joe rogan
I've heard a lot.
There's a lot of connections between feces abuse and sexual abuse.
greg fitzsimmons
Right.
joe rogan
Read that, though, online.
Obviously, I'm not a doctor.
greg fitzsimmons
I know.
When I think about the 70s and I take a shit, I cry.
joe rogan
When you think about the 70s and you take a shit.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, because I was molested in the 70s.
Were you?
No, we were just making that joke before, remember?
joe rogan
Yeah, it wasn't that good.
I thought we were bending that.
greg fitzsimmons
You thought that would be edited out.
joe rogan
I thought we were figuring out a way to move past that.
brian redban
Do you guys know a band named One Direction?
unidentified
Oh.
joe rogan
No.
greg fitzsimmons
Yes.
brian redban
It's a kid's band.
greg fitzsimmons
Like if Tiger Beat had a cover story.
joe rogan
Oh, look at these cute little bastards.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
brian redban
But I guess they're staying at the hotel across the street from the comedy store.
There's all these little kids that are just hanging out there late at night just like in groups like an Apple product's about to get released at midnight type shit.
joe rogan
Oh, wow.
brian redban
And they're just mobbed.
Everywhere.
greg fitzsimmons
How fucked up is that?
Is these guys, you know, they're trying to make them look like they're 17, but they're probably 25, right?
joe rogan
I think.
greg fitzsimmons
Or whatever.
unidentified
Let's find out.
greg fitzsimmons
Even if they're 21, the fans are 11 to 13, 14, and they want to fuck you, or they don't know what they want.
They want to let you do what you want with them.
brian redban
Right.
greg fitzsimmons
So I always wonder if these guys are like looking for that one older sister who's into it longer than she should be and she's like 17, 18 and you want to pluck her out.
Because otherwise it's a nightmare.
All these people are screaming for you and you can't go near them.
joe rogan
Do you think the girls actually want them to do what they want to them?
I think they have no idea what the fuck they want.
I think they want to hug them or something.
You're talking about an 11 year old.
I think they don't even realize what a guy liking you means.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, but some of them are dressed like dirty whores.
They're like 13, but they...
joe rogan
Maybe 13. Then you start kind of figuring it out.
But at 11?
How many kids at 11 know what's going on?
brian redban
What if your wife, though, like it was the opposite.
What if your wife was in love with Justin Bieber?
Like, just a huge Bieber fan.
Because there was parents that were hanging out with these kids, and they were all like...
With the t-shirts on, like, freaking out awesome.
It was just as creepy.
joe rogan
Yeah, well, it makes sense.
I mean, he's a handsome bastard, that Justin Bieber.
greg fitzsimmons
Justin Bieber?
joe rogan
He's cute.
greg fitzsimmons
Just adorable.
And he never breaks character.
unidentified
He's always that fucking positive guy.
greg fitzsimmons
But now you hear he's starting to fuck up.
He pissed in a janitor's bucket behind a nightclub.
joe rogan
I think the pressure that dude must be under must be staggering.
unidentified
Staggering.
greg fitzsimmons
Since he was, what, 12?
joe rogan
Six, yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
So he never had a chance to develop in any normal way.
joe rogan
Yeah.
For him, the struggle is going to be so strange.
And you know who gave me some insight into that is Ricky Schroeder.
Ricky Schroeder was famous when he was like six.
He was in that movie The Champ.
I think he was like six or seven or something like that.
greg fitzsimmons
I think he got nominated for an Oscar.
joe rogan
Dude, he fucking deserved it.
He was amazing in that.
But the way he describes it when he did the podcast, he talked about it.
He's like, that's my world.
I've never known another world.
I've never known a time where I wasn't famous.
So it's normal to me.
And I go, oh, all right.
What an interesting way to grow.
Is Justin Bieber about to kick some ass?
Is that what's going on here?
unidentified
Excuse me.
joe rogan
Who's he going after?
brian redban
A reporter.
joe rogan
A reporter?
brian redban
Yeah.
joe rogan
Well, that seems like it could have been handled a little better.
greg fitzsimmons
But there's a lot of big actors to start as child actors, you know, like Tom Cruise and...
What's his name?
Leonardo DiCaprio.
You know, he was probably 11 when he started.
joe rogan
Yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
And I think in a way, maybe you can't stay at the level that a Tom Cruise does unless you just were indoctrinated into it early.
And it's all you know.
joe rogan
Maybe.
But there's some that seem to have gotten through it.
I don't know.
I've never had a conversation with Jodie Foster, but she always strikes me as someone who got through it fairly unscathed.
greg fitzsimmons
She's a lesbian.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Is that what it is?
That made it easier?
That's a better transition?
greg fitzsimmons
No.
I think that being a lesbian makes you...
From the lesbians I've known, and I've known some really well.
I worked for Ellen DeGeneres for two years.
And I think that it makes you an outlier.
You're born into being an outlier.
You're already thinking about things knowing you don't need people's approval because you're not going to get it categorically.
So you stop seeking it.
joe rogan
That's interesting.
You know, because...
One of the things that I always admire about talking to fun lesbians is how they're very much like guys.
greg fitzsimmons
Oh yeah!
joe rogan
The way they'll make jokes and the way they don't give a fuck.
Like Melissa Etheridge, she's like a dude.
And I say that in the nicest way possible, the broadest sense of the compliment.
She was talking about divorce and alimony and stuff like that.
And she goes, hey, look, the bottom line is women are fucking crazy.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
She's just talking about getting divorced, and she's talking like a dude.
You know what I mean?
And I don't mean all women are crazy.
Some of them are great.
greg fitzsimmons
But the lesbians are less crazy.
joe rogan
But lesbians are more like dudes.
Right.
Anybody who doesn't believe that that is a natural part of the...
The broad spectrum of sexual attraction is a natural part of life.
It's never met like a badass lesbian.
You never met like a Melissa Etheridge.
If you met a Melissa Etheridge, you'd be like, oh yeah.
Oh yeah, that's a lesbian.
greg fitzsimmons
We have so many same-sex parents in my kids' school.
It's crazy.
They have absolutely no concept that two gay people shouldn't be together anymore than...
Like, when they heard about that the Supreme Court overruled that same-sex marriage act, they were, like, clapping in the back of the car.
joe rogan
Wow.
greg fitzsimmons
They're just like, why would two...
Like, Jeremy's parents...
You know, Evan's mother's...
Like, it's just fucking normal.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's...
You know, people have this idea, somehow or another, that there's...
There's different teams.
There's a conservative team against the liberal team.
Really what you should look at.
It's the simplest way.
Simplest way is, does it hurt you?
And if it doesn't, support it.
Do these people enjoy it?
Well, they'll support it.
The idea that you would restrict people's behavior that they enjoy because for some reason it's distasteful to you, that's just being an asshole.
That's all that is.
greg fitzsimmons
Do you think abortion falls under that category?
joe rogan
Abortion gets tricky because you're dealing with human life.
And it's also tricky because it's one of those clear pattern decision things.
Like if you're a right-wing person, you are pro-life.
If you're a left-wing person, you are pro-choice.
It's almost like cut and dry.
Like you have to adopt these opinions to be one side or another.
I think I have no business to tell anybody what they can and can't do with their body.
I have no business.
I'm not a doctor.
I don't know when life begins.
But you look at a couple cells together and then you look at a forming fetus, they become very different things as it becomes larger and older.
So then it starts to be, when has it become life?
And I think that's a real question.
And I don't think it's a left-wing question or a right-wing question.
greg fitzsimmons
It's a question people aren't asking in a real way.
joe rogan
Exactly.
It's an honesty question, and it's a question that we avoid in this discussion.
It's either if you're a left-wing person, you are pro-choice, and you want women to be able to do this safely, and you want it to be where they don't have to worry about being harassed in the parking lot.
And if you're a right-wing person, oftentimes the view is the polar opposite.
That you're taking a human life, it's against the Bible.
If you're, you know, a Christian especially, there's a lot of people that believe this is a terrible, terrible thing.
So terrible that there's the extremists, when you get on their spectrum, the extremists that shoot the fucking abortion doctors.
greg fitzsimmons
Which is totally logical to me, and I understand it.
If I believe that absolutely, that human lives are being taken...
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
greg fitzsimmons
It would be the same to me as if I knew that there was a guy that was going to work every day and they were killing people.
I would kill that person.
I would be within my moral authority, not by the United States law, but I'd feel the same way if somebody hurt someone in my family, rape or murder, I would get a gun and I would go find that person or I would arrange to have them killed.
And I would feel like that wasn't wrong of me to do that if I was absolutely sure it was them.
joe rogan
Right.
greg fitzsimmons
But in terms of when a life begins, do you remember Jonathan Katz's joke?
He goes, I believe life begins after the second cup of coffee.
joe rogan
Jonathan Katz was awesome.
Well, yeah, it's a real question.
And if you bring it up like that, I had a discussion with this guy that I really kind of respected.
I don't want to say his name, but it was the most preposterous discussion on the idea that it's just a seed and that having an abortion is just a seed.
Like, it's not just a seed.
It's a growing thing.
Like, if you leave it alone, it's going to be a person.
We both know that.
Like, we can't play games with this.
And then he started accusing me of being right-wing, like, immediately.
And I was like, okay, I'm not right-wing at all.
But you're saying, you're equating it to a seed.
It's not a seed.
Like, a fetus, something growing inside your body, will be a human.
A seed does not necessarily become a tree.
Okay, you have to fucking plant it, you gotta water it, then it becomes a sapling, and then it's on its way.
And if it gets the moisture, then it becomes a tree.
But a seed can just sit around for a long time.
Once you have a baby that's started to grow, then the ethical process begins, the ethical question process.
When is it a person?
Is it a person a day in, when it's two cells, or three cells, or a hundred cells, whatever the fuck it is?
Is it really?
Are you sure?
Like, if I just pull that out of there real quick, aren't we good?
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, the discussion seems to me off, it's off point, because it really is like, very logically, it is the second that becomes two cells.
And anything in between that and birth is life.
joe rogan
Yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
Then the question really is about when is it less of a bad thing?
Is it sooner?
You know, because to me it feels like to say, well, once it has eyes or to say once it starts to delineate limbs, then you start to go like, well, now you're splitting hairs.
I mean, either you are stopping, you know, an entity from fully forming or you're not.
And It doesn't matter how far down the line it is.
And this isn't to say I'm against abortion, but like I do a joke about it now where I say, you know, women are, like first I ask the women, how many women are pro-choice?
They all clap.
How many of you have had abortions?
Nobody claps.
I go, there's the problem with your fucking cause.
How are you going to really fight for a cause you won't admit that you actually do?
I said, you should be proud of it.
You should see those silhouettes of the family members on the back of your minivan with just an X through one of them and says, not a good time.
joe rogan
You did that in San Francisco.
greg fitzsimmons
To me, it feels like that might come off as anti-abortion, but it's not.
It's anti-put-your-head-in-the-sand.
It's like, own it.
If you're going to fucking do it, Own it the same way that I would own masturbation if you tried to make it illegal.
I'd be like, fuck you.
I may be ashamed of this, but I'm fighting for my right to have it.
joe rogan
I can see the cover of the article they're writing on Jezebel right now.
Emmy Award winning writer connects masturbation with abortion.
greg fitzsimmons
Look, we're all ashamed, ladies.
We're both cleaning up afterwards.
joe rogan
Oh, God.
How dare you.
This is where women who are really militant will get furious.
Like, you know, you can never fucking have a conversation about it because the option isn't available to you.
You're not going to have a fucking body growing inside of your body, and you're not going to be the person who gives birth.
greg fitzsimmons
And my answer would be, I've never dropped seed in a chick without protection, dummy.
How'd you get pregnant?
joe rogan
Oh, how dare you.
How dare you yell at someone so vulnerable and confused.
In the middle of a crisis.
You're exploding on a stranger.
I know, I have to be gentle.
You don't meet her with love?
greg fitzsimmons
I have to be gentle.
joe rogan
Meet her with love.
It's hard to do, but sometimes it's what we need to do to fix the world.
You can never say, why didn't you just about the past and have it sound good.
Why didn't you just get your shit together?
greg fitzsimmons
Oh, I'm sorry.
Why didn't you just call me?
Because I was fucking suicidal.
I don't want to talk to anybody.
joe rogan
You're not allowed to say that.
greg fitzsimmons
That was dark.
joe rogan
If you say suicidal around people, that's the best way to get the party stopped.
Right.
Everyone's having a good time.
Well, ever since I've been suicidal.
unidentified
Cricket.
joe rogan
No, no, no.
Nobody wants to be around somebody who wants to end life on their own terms.
For some reason that's very disturbing to us.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Most likely, because if you're looking to kill yourself, what do you give a shit if I die too?
How do I know you're not going to suicide bomb yourself?
greg fitzsimmons
Right.
joe rogan
Did you watch that show?
Fuck, the Patriot show.
greg fitzsimmons
Patriot Steelers?
joe rogan
The one on, no, not Patriot.
The one, the fucking...
greg fitzsimmons
The one with Tom Clancy?
joe rogan
Homeland.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, I've seen every episode.
joe rogan
Fascinating fucking show.
Fuck yeah.
Spoiler alert, but the suicide vest scene?
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Holy shit.
greg fitzsimmons
That's an Emmy Award winning performance right there.
joe rogan
Holy shit.
I don't want to say anything more than that.
greg fitzsimmons
You're about to watch one of the best actors out there.
joe rogan
Holy shit, what a scene.
greg fitzsimmons
I mean, the cast on that show, Mandy Patinkin, I'd always heard his name, but I thought he was like some theater guy.
He's not.
He's a fucking...
joe rogan
Well, he's that, too.
greg fitzsimmons
I know!
But that made me think that he was just like, for lack of a better word, a homosexual.
joe rogan
Oh, hey!
Easy over here!
greg fitzsimmons
Which isn't bad.
I just meant I dismissed him as a cabaret singer.
joe rogan
Oh, I see.
greg fitzsimmons
And I didn't realize he was a brilliant fucking actor.
joe rogan
Yeah, Manny Patinkin's a beast, man.
unidentified
Damn!
joe rogan
He's a beast.
He was also in The Princess Bride.
He was in Ego Montoya.
unidentified
Right, right.
joe rogan
You killed my father.
Prepare to die.
He was a bad motherfucker.
Manny Patinkin's been a bad motherfucker for a long time.
He's a brilliant actor.
And he plays that character just...
It's just a work of art.
greg fitzsimmons
It is.
joe rogan
It's a work of art.
I mean, the subtlety in his delivery and the real moments when he actually gets upset, the tangible feeling that you have when this really measured guy has to cut loose and get crazy.
Fuck, what a show.
greg fitzsimmons
And, you know, you talk about characters being layered.
It's like there's so many different things going on with him between his troubled marriage, his relationship with Claire Dane, which he knows is wrong, and yet he believes in her, and he's a company man in the end.
joe rogan
Yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
There's so many different things going on with him, and he plays all of them at the same time.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's so hard to believe that, I mean, and again, spoiler alert, I'm not going to say anything, but it's so hard to believe the plot lines they've pulled off.
Like, the idea that they put forth, that they're actually playing that out, and that I'm not running away from the TV going, get the fuck out of here.
Like, they haven't had me go get the fuck out of here once.
greg fitzsimmons
Well, I felt 24 was like that.
24, you had to suspend your disbelief a little bit more because it was a little bit more of action.
It was physical action more.
But it was the same kind of storylines.
Shit that you would really go like...
And that's why I love that genre.
I love Bourne supremacy.
I like it when you gotta go like, yeah, they're not riding a motorcycle across the roof.
But fuck, man.
This is great.
joe rogan
It's fun to watch.
Yeah.
I mean, even if it's preposterous.
The Bourne identity one.
What's the latest one?
I don't know.
The latest one is the one that's not Matt Damon.
It's the other guy.
greg fitzsimmons
Oh, I didn't see that one.
joe rogan
It's the new guy.
Jeremy Renner?
Jeremy Renner.
Yeah, that's his name.
And he's jumping off top of buildings and landing on people's necks, twisting them on the way down.
I mean, it's the most ridiculous shit of all time.
He's like the greatest Olympic athlete the world has ever known.
greg fitzsimmons
This new guy.
joe rogan
Yes, yes.
greg fitzsimmons
Is it like parkour kind of stuff?
joe rogan
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Anything.
Everything.
He does whatever.
He flies through the air.
He's like Spider-Man.
I mean, it's preposterous.
greg fitzsimmons
Like, the way he can move his body.
More than Matt Damon.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
He's the hyper-level version of it.
They kicked it up a couple times.
greg fitzsimmons
So it's more like Bond?
Yeah.
joe rogan
No, no.
He's more like a superhero.
What he can do with his body is ridiculous.
He literally could jump off buildings and land on people's heads, catch himself in buildings on the way down, drop on their head and snap them and fucking flip over.
greg fitzsimmons
Do a flip over a speeding Ferrari that's coming at him.
joe rogan
Duck under this arm.
greg fitzsimmons
Grab that gun.
joe rogan
Turn it towards him.
Don't kill everybody in front of him.
Flip over him when the car's coming at him.
I mean, it's just...
greg fitzsimmons
And always, like, you know, have your leg broken and in the next scene chase somebody down.
That's always my favorite.
I'm always keeping track of how injured.
Because at my age, like, I get injured just getting up, taking a shit.
I can get injured.
And I'm watching this guy.
Well, you know, finger must be broken from that.
I got gouged out from that.
And he's still at the top of his game in the last scene.
joe rogan
Yeah, they heal well in those shows.
They always get that streak of blood that comes off the eyebrow.
That's a big one.
greg fitzsimmons
You know what the key is, is the acting.
I mean, Matt Damon is just a guy.
He can do comedy, drama, romance.
He's fucking unbelievable.
joe rogan
He's a beast.
greg fitzsimmons
And so you put him into a role like that, and he raises the stakes of you believing in it.
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Well, he was so good that he played Liberace's lover, and you believe that.
unidentified
Oh, my God.
joe rogan
You know?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
I mean, Matt Damon's a bad motherfucker.
Right.
And this, Elysius, is that what it's called?
The new futuristic movie?
Elysium?
Elysium.
That looks awesome.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
I don't know what that is.
I don't know if it's good, but it looks amazing.
greg fitzsimmons
Well, he's one of those few actors where, you know, some of these guys get paid $20, $25 million a picture and you think that's not worth it.
There's very few people that I will go see.
Like, fucking don't need to read a review of the movie.
Don't care who the director is.
Matt Damon's in it.
I will go see it.
joe rogan
Yeah, he always makes a good choice.
greg fitzsimmons
Right.
joe rogan
The movies are always, there's always something really good about the movie.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
What was the one movie where he played a complete, total liar?
greg fitzsimmons
Oh, about, he was flying around a lot, right?
joe rogan
The Curious Life of...
greg fitzsimmons
Oh, right.
joe rogan
What the fuck was that?
Oh, goddammit, now I gotta go to his IMDB, which I never liked to do.
greg fitzsimmons
That was badass.
joe rogan
I went to your IMDB, man.
Really not impressed.
greg fitzsimmons
Who's?
joe rogan
That's what people like to say.
unidentified
Oh, right.
greg fitzsimmons
I know.
joe rogan
That's a Hollywood douche thing.
Yeah, I've been to your IMDB, bro.
greg fitzsimmons
Not only that, IMDB has a star ranking.
Here is the most grotesque Hollywood sign.
You can pay extra.
You pay an extra $10 a month for IMDB Pro.
And I can look up Joe Rogan, and you will be numbered from $1 to $10 million in Hollywood based on the amount of searches for your name...
You know, time spent on your website.
It's all factored in and you get around, like usually, you know, like Matt Damon might be number three and I might be like number 46,000 or something.
joe rogan
Right.
greg fitzsimmons
So I know there's 46,000 people higher up in the food chain in Hollywood than I am.
And you can look up any, you have a meeting with somebody, you can look up what their fucking ranking is in Hollywood.
joe rogan
That's so ridiculous.
That's just something that people would get caught up in and then it would wind up becoming really gross.
greg fitzsimmons
Right.
joe rogan
You'd just get caught up in it and lose your fucking marbles.
greg fitzsimmons
Hire a marketing team to search you so you go up in the rankings?
joe rogan
I need to get my public internet profile higher in the rankings.
It's very important.
I can't find the name of this fucking movie.
unidentified
What's so crazy is like with...
greg fitzsimmons
With Twitter, there's times where I go through tweets, I stumble on something that makes me laugh, and I'll write out five, six, seven tweets in 20 minutes.
And then I won't tweet for five days.
And then I'll see the number of people that follows you will jump when you write tweets, and then it doesn't at all when you don't.
So you realize it's great that people really are reading that shit.
joe rogan
Oh yeah, man.
If you're interesting to follow, people send you interesting things as well.
One of the beautiful things about Twitter is that it's like an exchange.
I retweet a lot of shit, and I retweet things that people send me that are interesting.
Someone will send me some crazy story about some new scientific discovery, and then I'll immediately retweet that.
And so it encourages people to do that because they like being retweeted because they get more followers that way.
And if you have cool shit on your Twitter page, people who have no show business connections at all, they just have developed a following, have significant numbers of Twitter followers just based on their own input on things.
Yeah, someone finds out about it.
Or you tweet something to someone famous and they retweet it.
Someone finds out about it.
And then before you know it, you have this little community that you've developed.
greg fitzsimmons
Well, writers on TV are getting jobs from Twitter feeds more than Specscript.
joe rogan
That's amazing.
greg fitzsimmons
You hear about it all the time.
This dude, he went to Colorado State University and he just used to tweet a lot.
And then he just gets fucking...
They solicit him.
You know, a guy will have 200,000 followers and they'll say, do you want to write on How I Met Your Mother?
And the guy does it and then he kills himself.
joe rogan
That's amazing.
greg fitzsimmons
Can you imagine writing on How I Met Your Mother, one of those shows?
Sitting in a room with 12 other people, fighting to get one line into a horrible script.
joe rogan
But folks don't know that everyone's like, yeah, it must be really fucking hard working on TV. Must be terrible.
Excuse me while I go to the coal mine.
greg fitzsimmons
Right.
joe rogan
That's obviously worse.
greg fitzsimmons
Right.
joe rogan
But it doesn't take away from the fact that being on a show that sucks is torture.
unidentified
Right.
greg fitzsimmons
Well, and I only say that because as comedians, we get to say whatever the fuck we want.
We can get immediate feedback.
Nobody's giving us notes or criticism.
And then you take that and you have an office, and then some PA will come by and go, okay, everybody in the writer's room, and you have to stand up and walk in and sit down and stay in there for the four hours until they go, okay, you guys can have lunch.
It's just your whole life turns upside down.
joe rogan
Yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
And again, this isn't to complain about it.
I'm just saying compared to stand-up.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Oh, yeah.
Stand-up is the greatest job the world has ever known.
greg fitzsimmons
An hour a night.
joe rogan
Yeah, and just writing during the day, and usually it's fun.
Even the stuff you're like, God, I gotta write.
When you start writing and it clicks, that's a fun feeling.
It's really fun.
greg fitzsimmons
And the excitement of then knowing, like you're driving to the club and you got like three pages of new shit.
joe rogan
Yeah, you got like a little bomb that you know you can drop.
That's a great feeling.
It's so fun.
And it's also, people love that feeling.
I love that feeling of laughing at someone.
Like, I'm still a huge fan of stand-up.
Like, one of my favorite things to do is to go watch stand-up.
That's one of the reasons why it was really fun, those dates that you and I did together.
I got to watch you and laugh, and I hadn't seen a lot of your stuff in a while.
It was really fun.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, yeah, that was great.
joe rogan
Stand-up is just a beautiful exchange.
greg fitzsimmons
I was just at the Montreal Comedy Festival.
I saw all these dudes that I'd heard about and hadn't seen for whatever reason.
Because we're on the road at the same time.
But you know Kyle Kinane?
joe rogan
I don't know him.
I know who he is.
greg fitzsimmons
Same thing.
I hadn't seen him.
And he was fucking great!
Like a Stanhope kind of guy.
You know, a boozer who talks really honestly about the darkness of his life, but has the chops of a real stand-up.
joe rogan
Yeah, I've seen him do one set, and it was at the Improv, and it was very funny.
But it was a long time ago.
It was several years ago.
That's hard for him to remember.
brian redban
His Twitter avatar is my cat.
joe rogan
It's your cat?
brian redban
What do you mean?
greg fitzsimmons
Oh, that's funny.
joe rogan
You mean the photo?
The drawing?
unidentified
Or your actual cat?
brian redban
It's him holding Techie.
joe rogan
Oh, that's hilarious.
Well, it's tough to beat a cute cat.
greg fitzsimmons
And then I went and I did a...
joe rogan
Something appealing to look at.
greg fitzsimmons
You know, they have that gala where you've got to go and perform for like 3,000 people and they show it around the world.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
I never did that.
greg fitzsimmons
And Dane Cook was like, they have a host for it, you know, a celebrity host.
And Dane Cook was the host when I was doing it, you know?
joe rogan
Right.
greg fitzsimmons
And usually you draw old people.
Because it's like a 7 o'clock show in Montreal.
It's like an old Jewish town.
And I have fucking choked on my own semen in front of these crowds.
And this time it was like Dane's fans and they were young and fucking excited.
He went out and killed first and it was all Boston guys.
It was Bobby Kelly, me, Gary Gullman, Dane, and Alonzo Bowden and Harlan Williams.
Everybody had a great time.
It was such a fucking relief.
joe rogan
Oh, that's cool.
Well, you know, I think that whole old people thing, that's from a different era.
I've been hearing that the comedy festivals have skewed younger and younger these days.
greg fitzsimmons
No, just this one particular show, the gala.
joe rogan
It was just because of Danny?
greg fitzsimmons
Because it's a TV taping.
No, I'm saying they do like seven galas during the week, and each night they do one.
So the one I was on had a much younger crowd than the other ones during the week.
joe rogan
Oh, so they did have ones with a lot of older folks.
greg fitzsimmons
Because it's a taped TV show, so they buy the tickets way in advance.
unidentified
Oh.
joe rogan
Oh, see, because I always felt like the people that had been going to the comedy festival were sort of, there was a lot of like, when we started going, the first time I went I think was 93, and there was still that push to be TV clean.
greg fitzsimmons
Right.
joe rogan
And they were also, like, the gala was only TV clean.
So I never got to work it.
So I, but from what I would think now is that you see all these clips from the thing and then it's on the internet and then stand-up comedy becomes, like, more and more popular, which I think stand-up comedy is probably At one of its more popular times.
If you stop and think about how many really good comedians there are right now, it's unbelievable.
greg fitzsimmons
That's what blew me away in Montreal.
I was like, there's a hundred comics here and they're all fucking good.
joe rogan
Yeah, and I would think that it would be a lot of young people that would show up now to these things.
greg fitzsimmons
I think the other ones, like I did Moon Tower, which is in Austin, Texas, back in April or May, and that was very young.
And then you got South by Southwest.
I mean, Coachella does a comedy stage.
Bumbershoot in Seattle.
Chicago has a big one.
San Francisco has a sketch fest.
You know, there's a million of them.
joe rogan
It's hilarious that some of them don't pay the artists.
They literally...
greg fitzsimmons
Montreal pays, which is nice.
joe rogan
Yeah, Montreal pays.
They've always paid.
They paid back in 1993 when I first started doing it.
greg fitzsimmons
Right.
joe rogan
But, like, South by Southwest doesn't give you anything.
greg fitzsimmons
No, and the only reason I did Moon Tower is I was headlining Cap City in Austin that week.
So I was making my headliner money, and I was part of the festival at the same time.
joe rogan
Did you do shows before or after your shows at Cap City?
greg fitzsimmons
I know I would do, you know, 8 o'clock show Thursday to Friday to Saturday, but then after my shows I would go do like midnight shows.
But then also the people at the festival with the, you know, the customers, they would have a laminate and they'd go see my show maybe and then they'd see Posehn's show after that.
It was part of the whole thing.
joe rogan
Wow, that's awesome, man.
Sounds like a good time.
greg fitzsimmons
You should do it, because they do some theater shows, and it is a fucking cool vibe.
Stan Hope was there, hung out.
Was Stan?
No, I'm thinking Tom Rhodes was there.
Like, guys, I never fucking see.
joe rogan
Right.
greg fitzsimmons
And the crowds are, I mean, you work, Austin.
They're the greatest crowds.
joe rogan
Yeah, I was just there, I guess I was there like five or six months ago.
greg fitzsimmons
You gotta do Moon Tower.
joe rogan
I'll do it, if I can.
I don't know, I'm so fucking busy these days.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, but this is a rejuvenative week where you chill, you walk away, you've seen some good new comedy, reconnected with some friends, done some good shows.
joe rogan
So like a comedian meeting hub.
greg fitzsimmons
Right.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's what Montreal always felt like, that bar.
unidentified
The Delta.
joe rogan
The Delta, is that what it's called?
Yeah, that bar.
That's right.
Yeah, that bar has always been, you know...
greg fitzsimmons
It can be landmines, though, because you never know when you're going to run into that one shitty club owner who's going to be in your face.
joe rogan
Or a gay comedian who's drunk and ruthlessly aggressively pursuing you.
It's the only time I've ever had a tell.
greg fitzsimmons
Dom Herrera?
joe rogan
No, Dom can kiss me anytime he wants.
I don't let him penetrate, but if he wants to kiss me and jerk off, I love him.
I'm playing pool with Dom on Sunday.
Looking forward to it.
brian redban
I love seeing him.
He's awesome.
He's somebody I always see at the clubs, too.
Like, I'll be at the improv at 1 in the morning, he walks in.
joe rogan
Yeah, Dom's legit.
To the end, he's a legit stand-up comedian.
Always working.
Always has a notebook with him.
Always got new shit.
You know, he's just awesome.
greg fitzsimmons
And he's got that energy before he goes on, just the way good comics do.
Still, not nervous, but jazzed up, hyper-focused.
joe rogan
He loves it.
And he's always loved it.
We've been friends.
Dom and I have been friends since 93. I met him in 93 when I did the festival in Montreal.
And then we became friends after we ran into each other at Amsterdam Billiards.
greg fitzsimmons
Oh, yeah?
joe rogan
Yeah, because I had just done that show with him, but that was the first time I'd ever met him.
And he's the host of it.
It was a Showtime thing.
And then when we went to play at Amsterdam, I found out he could play pool.
greg fitzsimmons
David Brenner's club.
joe rogan
Yeah, and the old one.
Remember the old one that was on the Upper West Side?
That one was awesome.
greg fitzsimmons
Beautiful.
joe rogan
So I've been friends with Dom since I guess it was like 93. He's always been that way.
He's always been like a real comic.
greg fitzsimmons
And he's like the Don Gavin of LA. He will talk to any young comic, be funny with them, bust their balls, and treats you with...
He says nice things to you.
You don't get enough of that.
He'll compliment you if you do a new bit that he likes.
joe rogan
He's a beautiful person.
I love Dom Herrera with all my heart.
He's beautiful.
I love being around him.
He's fucking hilarious.
He's a sweet, warm guy.
greg fitzsimmons
I saw him say the other night, he goes, I'm at the age where if I died of natural causes, people would go, hmm.
joe rogan
Another one he said, he said, I wish I was gay just so I could come out of the closet.
That's how little I give a fuck.
greg fitzsimmons
I'm bored.
I need something fun to do.
joe rogan
He really does not care what people think about him.
He's happy with who he is.
He's not struggling with that.
Plus, he's on Xanax.
So he's like, whatever.
I don't give a fuck.
greg fitzsimmons
Well, I know he quit drinking for a little while.
I don't know if it lasted.
joe rogan
Well, he got a little out of the...
He was a little out of control.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Slightly.
But he's smart enough to pull back on his own.
And then he resumed casual drinking.
greg fitzsimmons
Right.
joe rogan
But I think...
Look, it's easy.
You're a single guy.
You're in clubs every night.
And he's in clubs almost every night.
greg fitzsimmons
Right.
joe rogan
It's easy to start drinking a lot.
It's fun.
Fucking drinking's fun.
You're having a good time.
Then you have a couple of shots.
Now you're having a great time.
unidentified
Woo-hoo!
Woo-hoo!
joe rogan
But, you know, the crushing effect that it has on your body over and over and over again, it's really bad for you, man.
greg fitzsimmons
Right.
I miss drinking, man.
Fuck.
I just had my family stay with me for a week.
My sister, her husband, who drinks...
And my niece and nephew and my mother all stay in my house with my wife until nine of us.
But you know what?
And I miss drinking because they would all drink a lot at night.
They'd go through bottles and bottles of wine.
And my brother-in-law would go through a couple six-pack Budweiser a day.
And so you start to really feel it.
Like even my wife, who doesn't drink a lot, was drinking every night.
So I'm all alone.
I'm drinking non-alcoholic beers and I'm playing fucking PlayStation with my kids because I can't relate to...
People get fucking dumb and boring when they drink.
I'm sorry.
It's nice at first, but if you're the sober one, everybody gets emphatic about their point of view and overly zealous about simple thoughts.
unidentified
Uh-huh.
greg fitzsimmons
And you just start to feel yourself squeezed out.
You start to feel like people are looking at you like you're the uptight guy and you can't have a good time.
So I want to go counterpoint on what you just said.
Unless everyone drinks the Kool-Aid, it's not fun.
joe rogan
Well, it depends on who you're drinking with.
If you're drinking with idiots, you're going to have that problem.
greg fitzsimmons
You're talking about my family.
joe rogan
I'm talking about your family.
I'm calling them idiots.
I'm calling mine too.
unidentified
You called my wife an idiot.
joe rogan
Everyone's an idiot.
I'm an idiot too.
You're an idiot as well.
It's all in the level of idiot.
greg fitzsimmons
Right.
joe rogan
And with a certain level of idiot, when they get drunk, it becomes really boring.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because it becomes, oh, you're not really good at this.
Oh, I see what we're doing.
So what we're going to do here is we're going to play a game that you suck at.
It's like two fat guys playing basketball and neither one of them have any experience.
greg fitzsimmons
Right.
joe rogan
Bouncing around, looking stupid.
And for a person that can communicate well and is sober, it's a real problem.
greg fitzsimmons
It's a bummer.
joe rogan
You're dragging me into the fucking mud.
greg fitzsimmons
Because you want to say to them, look, at the top of your game, I struggle to find you interesting.
Now you're drunk, and it's torture.
joe rogan
But then, counterpoint is, some people are cool as fuck when they're drunk.
Some people are fun to talk to when they're drunk.
They tell you hilarious stories, and they flow good.
It just loosens them up enough so they can catch a wave.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, you don't judge yourself as much so the real you can come out.
joe rogan
Yeah, you can catch a wave.
And if you can catch one of those social waves, it can be really fun.
greg fitzsimmons
And then you've got to maintain that wave correctly.
joe rogan
Correctly.
greg fitzsimmons
You have to know, don't underfeed it, don't overfeed it.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's a tricky thing, man.
Drinking correctly is like something someone should teach you.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, I really envy you because you seem to really enjoy it when I see you do it, but yet you don't have to do it all the time.
That must be so nice.
joe rogan
Yeah, and I recognize that it's most likely a genetic thing.
Most of my friends...
greg fitzsimmons
My father died at 53. He was an alcoholic.
Three out of four of my grandparents, all my aunts and uncles...
joe rogan
And there's so much evidence as far as, like, American Indians who didn't have an exposure to alcohol.
greg fitzsimmons
Well, it's also their livers and Irish livers process alcohol better.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Well, because they have a long history of use.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
I think what happened with the Native Americans is they weren't drinking as much alcohol, not nearly as much, as...
Westerners that came here.
So when they introduced it to them, this is like a drug they had no social experience with, which is always a big one.
Remember when you were a teenager, the first time you got drunk, how terrible you were at it?
greg fitzsimmons
Right.
joe rogan
It takes a long time to know where your tolerances are, how to do it, how not to be a sloppy bitch.
It takes a while.
greg fitzsimmons
The shots in general are not a good idea.
joe rogan
Yeah, and when you just go straight to hard liquor, and you're 30, and you've been eating fucking deer that you chased down and killed...
greg fitzsimmons
Right, having peyote.
joe rogan
Yeah, and then all of a sudden you're just drowning in whiskey.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And you have no experience, no cultural experience to fall back on.
Oh, Grandpa told me what this was about when you get drunk.
What you've got to do is start off slow, boy.
Make sure you've got food in your stomach.
That's going to fill...
There's none of that going on.
No one even knows what the fuck it is.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
And then the white man forces it on them because they realize how pliant they become when they're drunk.
joe rogan
Yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
So it was like, we'll pay you in whiskey.
And then sign this fucking treaty.
joe rogan
Yeah, give me New York for a nickel.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, a lot of bad real estate deals were done drunk.
Whether it's at a high-class hotel, and Donald Trump just fucking sauced you up, or you're an Indian.
joe rogan
Well, how much did they pay for Alaska?
Was that a good deal?
greg fitzsimmons
Where'd they buy it from the Russians?
joe rogan
I believe they bought it from the Russians.
The Russians are like, listen, we got more than we can handle.
You want to take that spot?
greg fitzsimmons
Right.
joe rogan
Go ahead, take that spot.
When you look at a map, it's one of the most ridiculous ideas ever, that that somehow or another is a part of America.
greg fitzsimmons
No, second most ridiculous idea.
Hawaii.
joe rogan
Yeah, Hawaii's pretty ridiculous.
greg fitzsimmons
Somebody told me there's like 100 countries closer to Hawaii than the United States.
And we treat it like...
And somehow like...
I don't know the history.
I mean, it's almost like we saw it and we went, yeah, we're going to take that.
And you guys can be citizens.
You can vote.
You can come here.
Meanwhile, we got Mexico lined up against the border.
We're like, you can't fucking come here.
joe rogan
Yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
But Hawaiians, come on!
joe rogan
Well, Mexico is way bigger.
Hawaii is just a few little tiny islands, and people seem nice, and they know how to cook a pig in the ground.
Let's just fucking work this out.
greg fitzsimmons
Have you seen the feet on their women?
joe rogan
Their feet?
greg fitzsimmons
Beautiful little feet.
Yeah, and they do that hula dance.
joe rogan
Whoa.
greg fitzsimmons
Hula dance?
Is that what they call it?
joe rogan
Yeah, isn't it?
greg fitzsimmons
I was there.
joe rogan
The skirts?
The grass skirts?
greg fitzsimmons
My wife took me to luau when we were in Hawaii.
I hate anything commercial and touristy, especially when you're in Hawaii and you're hiking in the rainforest and fucking surfing.
She's like, we're going to a luau.
I was pissed, so I smoked a joint.
Not even a joint.
I smoked a couple hits.
You know me.
And then I just fucking sat in the front row of the luau and their feet, the women's feet were like three feet in front of me.
You know, they're kind of like rolling on the toes and moving around on them.
joe rogan
Did you get hard?
Did you get hard?
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Wow.
Just by looking at the feet.
greg fitzsimmons
You don't like nice feet?
joe rogan
I do.
Yeah, absolutely.
I feel you.
I hear where you're coming from.
It's a weird thing that we value that.
What is that genetically?
greg fitzsimmons
I think to me it's that they're hidden.
People wear shoes.
So it's almost like nudity to me.
I'm not supposed to see your little toes.
joe rogan
And they move around like fingers, but they're weird because you hide them most of the time.
They're fingers that you hide inside leather.
brian redban
They're creepy.
greg fitzsimmons
Right.
I got a massage yesterday and I had my head in the little donut thing and I was looking down and this Asian woman, she was barefoot and she had...
I'm sorry, but Asian feet are better.
White women's feet are all fucked up.
They're like the, you know, one toe is like an inch longer than the other one.
joe rogan
Would you jerk off to this?
Yes, right?
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Oh, for sure.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know, what's really sad to me is when women get that thing where their toes start pointing towards the big toe, starts pointing left or right towards the other toes.
greg fitzsimmons
A hammer toe?
joe rogan
Yeah.
From jamming their feet into shoes that just smush them.
greg fitzsimmons
Well, it's genetic also.
joe rogan
Is it really?
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Oh, so you can get it without those shoes?
greg fitzsimmons
Right.
It's just a bone that grows out, and it's like a bone tissue.
joe rogan
So the same thing, or it can happen both ways?
So either you can get it naturally, or you can get it from shoes?
greg fitzsimmons
I know you can get it naturally, because I've seen it run in families.
joe rogan
Is it a myth that you get it from shoes?
brian redban
I think it's all natural because I think some people have that ridiculous small toe, like the retarded toe.
joe rogan
Oh, on the pinky that goes over?
greg fitzsimmons
Like it barely has a nail?
brian redban
Yeah, it barely has a nail and it's like taking the right turn.
Right.
greg fitzsimmons
Oh, and it's stacked on the one next to it?
brian redban
Yeah, it's stacked.
unidentified
It's spooning it.
greg fitzsimmons
I always see people like that and I'm like, why are you wearing flip-flops?
Your toe is all fucked up.
Put some shoes on.
joe rogan
I saw this one lady at the beach.
She was this old lady.
It was like a sketch in an In Living Color movie.
Her toes were so fucked up.
They were going over each other and crossing fingers.
I had never seen anything like it.
It was like a picket fence that got hit with a missile.
I mean, the whole thing was just...
It was all just collapsed over itself.
And I'm like, this is the most...
It was like she was throwing gang signs with her feet.
It was one of the most ridiculous things I had ever seen in my life.
greg fitzsimmons
She's got dreadlocks on the end of her feet.
joe rogan
I mean, they were tangles.
greg fitzsimmons
And it is true.
I think you've got to earn a pair of flip-flops.
You've got to really take a good look at your feet.
Like an Asian foot, there's a perfect arc.
It's like a 33 degree curvature from the big toe to the pinky.
The pinky is well laid out with a full nail.
There's no fucking discoloration in the nails themselves.
A thin ankle.
And then you get, on a good southeastern Asian, you get like a brownish, tannish on the top, and then on the sides, it becomes very light, almost like a vanilla wafer.
brian redban
Is that from the lack of the will to live?
joe rogan
Hey, we're wrong.
greg fitzsimmons
It's from running in napalm.
joe rogan
It's a bunion.
Bunion is that.
Hammer toe is when girls, the very end of their digit, they protrude, they kind of bulge up.
And that is from shoes.
That's a hammer toe.
That's a different thing.
greg fitzsimmons
And a bunion is when the big toe has a curve on the side?
joe rogan
Yeah, the toe takes a turn towards the other toes.
The big toe hooks right or left.
greg fitzsimmons
And it gets worse with age.
joe rogan
There's actually disagreement among medical professionals about the cause of bunions.
Some see them as primarily caused by long-term use of shoes, particularly tight-fitting shoes with pointed toes, while others believe the problem stems from genetic factors that are exacerbated by shoe use.
Hmm.
Yeah.
You know, could be, very possibly.
I would tend to think that it might be shoes because it's way more on women than I see it on men.
greg fitzsimmons
I cannot believe women put on those stiletto-type shoes.
I mean, I like it, but I look at them and I go, man, what a price to pay.
When I'm out at a club all night, my feet are fucking tired.
I'm wearing sneakers.
And then to think that you're perched up on this thing that your toes are jammed into and you're at a 45-degree angle, it's really archaic to me.
joe rogan
It's crazy.
Brian, what was that last one?
That woman had, like, fingers for toes.
Pull that video back again.
That was ridiculous.
brian redban
I already lost it.
joe rogan
That's how ADD is.
greg fitzsimmons
And then black women, black women grow their...
joe rogan
What he showed three seconds ago, he's like, can't find it, boss.
brian redban
I'm looking at some other things.
joe rogan
Can't do it, man.
greg fitzsimmons
Black women tend to grow...
There we go.
joe rogan
Ew, what the fuck, man?
Listen, I don't want to see this shit.
greg fitzsimmons
Some guys are into, like...
joe rogan
I don't want to see some dudes...
greg fitzsimmons
She just came from the gym, or, like, they walk in dirt, and then the guys lick them.
joe rogan
Yeah, they like that.
Hey, come on, Brian, for real.
I don't want to see this.
greg fitzsimmons
But the black women tend to grow the big toenail longer, which bothers me.
joe rogan
It's sexy.
greg fitzsimmons
Do you like that?
joe rogan
In case they want to snort some coke off the big toe.
brian redban
Yeah!
joe rogan
They want to let you know they're ready to party.
greg fitzsimmons
Yo, baby, you want a toe blast?
joe rogan
Have you ever seen the photo where a woman, an African-American woman, has gigantic toenails, all of them, and it says ghettos?
brian redban
Have you ever seen that?
joe rogan
Look up ghettos, T-O-E-S. Wait, no, no, no, that's not what we're looking at.
Look, there's images.
Do a Google image search.
He's just trying to sneak in.
Dude's sucking on toenails.
He's such a creep.
Duncan Trussell said the funniest fucking thing the other day.
He was joking around about someone who was attractive but was mean and was saying something stupid on Fox News.
And he goes, stop talking and just put your feet in my mouth!
greg fitzsimmons
I'm telling you something.
joe rogan
And I started crying, laughing on the phone.
It was the creepiest thing to say.
Look at that.
unidentified
Gettos.
joe rogan
That's ghettos.
greg fitzsimmons
Damn.
unidentified
Okay.
brian redban
Can you imagine her just walking on a wooden floor?
Just the sound of her nails hitting.
joe rogan
I could.
It'd be hot.
greg fitzsimmons
Foot fetish is going to take off, and I believe it started with me.
I've been talking about it for two years publicly.
joe rogan
Oh, I think he's been around for a long time.
greg fitzsimmons
It's been around.
I'm talking about it going mainstream.
joe rogan
You've been talking about it longer than two years, man.
greg fitzsimmons
Maybe five.
brian redban
Have you ever had a foot in you, Greg?
greg fitzsimmons
No.
joe rogan
One of the times that we did your serious show, you were talking about having a foot fit, and it was a long time ago.
greg fitzsimmons
And the funny thing is, I don't act on it.
I've never sucked on someone's toes, and it's just I enjoy looking at them.
joe rogan
So do you enjoy looking at them in real life as much as on video, or on video more than real life?
Which one?
greg fitzsimmons
In real life, I'm on the lookout all the time.
joe rogan
All the time.
So you just store the memories.
greg fitzsimmons
I'm looking down a lot.
And here's what I also do.
If I see a woman, I predict in my head whether she has open-toed sandals and what the feet are going to look like.
And I'm pretty right on it.
joe rogan
If a woman has really pretty feet, will you store that and then jerk off to them later?
greg fitzsimmons
No.
joe rogan
Never.
greg fitzsimmons
I can't store shit for jerk-off.
I need immediate high sensory.
joe rogan
Right in front of you.
greg fitzsimmons
Right.
joe rogan
There's never been a time where you took a few days off and you really had to build up.
greg fitzsimmons
Nope.
joe rogan
No.
greg fitzsimmons
No, and I only watched foot porn because I'm friends with- Brian, stop with the gross shit, man.
brian redban
Infected pus coming from you.
joe rogan
Yeah, I want to see that.
greg fitzsimmons
I only watched it because Belladonna is a friend of mine.
Oh!
Single.
Foot soldiers is her whole- She's single now?
brian redban
I heard she just got single.
greg fitzsimmons
No shit.
brian redban
Maybe that's not known, but- Wow.
That's good news.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, her husband's a good dude, but he managed her.
joe rogan
How dare you, Brian.
greg fitzsimmons
So that's always a bad thing.
joe rogan
He what?
greg fitzsimmons
He managed her, which is always a bad thing.
joe rogan
Oh yeah, that's a tough sell.
greg fitzsimmons
Right.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's a strange...
It's a hard relationship.
greg fitzsimmons
Remember, it happened with Tara Patrick and that dude...
joe rogan
That rocker dude?
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
He was in Oliver Porn.
greg fitzsimmons
He was bad news.
joe rogan
It's fascinating.
Well, and when guys like that marry a porn star, but she still works, but now he fucks her in all the films.
A couple mainstream.
brian redban
You know who he's with now?
He's with that little Lupe girl.
greg fitzsimmons
The Filipino girl.
brian redban
Yeah, he got nothing.
greg fitzsimmons
Like, within a month that he broke up with Tara Patrick, he was with another porn star managing her and fucking her.
joe rogan
He likes it.
It's fun.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Does he only bang her or does she bang other dudes?
brian redban
I have no idea.
joe rogan
That's where it gets tricky.
greg fitzsimmons
He yelled at me on Twitter recently.
He yelled at me.
I co-hosted the Porn Awards with Tara Patrick, so I went to her house one time and he was there.
And I asked him, I go, so are you allowed to fuck around?
He's like, nah, I don't.
He goes, there's one massage place I go to right over here in the valley.
And, you know, I get jerked off at the end.
But that's it.
And he's like, and Tara goes there for massages too.
And I was like, you know, that ain't fucking true.
But that was their press release on the issue.
joe rogan
Who cares?
That could easily be true.
You don't think that could be true?
brian redban
I did it with my ex.
We both went to the same, at the same time.
joe rogan
Why did that dude get mad at you?
brian redban
Because I said to Lupe, because I noticed that she was back in town.
I was like, hey, I would really like to get you on that podcast.
That podcast I do with Dan D'Arm on Triple X Squad.
And he wrote back, Look, motherfucker, I told you!
She does not want to do your stupid shit!
unidentified
Blah, blah, blah.
brian redban
Like, just started going off on me like five tweets.
And then I wrote back something like, Dude, sorry, just asked her if she wanted to do a podcast.
I thought I would help her out.
And then all these people on Twitter just started going, what the fuck?
It was like six months ago.
And then he eventually apologized, sent me a direct message like, sorry, man, here's my email address and blah, blah, blah.
I thought you were somebody else or something.
joe rogan
Oh, okay.
brian redban
I think she gets harassed a lot.
joe rogan
Of course she does, man.
Of course.
Could you imagine being a porn star on the internet and having everyone just be able to tweet you?
brian redban
Yeah.
joe rogan
Oh, the fucking shit those poor women must have to deal with.
brian redban
She's awesome, man.
joe rogan
Yeah, but because of the sexual repression that we have, they take the brunt of it.
If anybody in this country, if you're allowed to call them a slut or a cunt, it's like a porn star.
It's like the things that guys say to porn stars.
I've seen some of the shit guys have said to porn stars.
Some girl be in your feed complaining.
Like, it's hard to believe some of the fucking creeps that tweet me.
And then, you know, and then you'll go to her Twitter page and see her responding.
Then you read the things that they're saying.
Mean, fucking, heartless, creepy shit.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
Because they're objectified.
greg fitzsimmons
They're not humans.
joe rogan
Yeah, exactly.
You're only allowed to, in their mind, like, it's rare that I think a girl like, let's pick a name of a famous actress.
greg fitzsimmons
Sophia Loren.
joe rogan
Who's on Twitter, though?
greg fitzsimmons
Jenny McCarthy.
brian redban
Yeah, Jenny McCarthy.
joe rogan
Okay, but Jenny McCarthy gets hate because of the virus thing, the vaccination thing.
She gets a lot of heat because of that.
greg fitzsimmons
Right.
joe rogan
I just read some whole article about this.
The doctor was actually writing an article about how unfair it is and how much heat she takes for having a controversial assessment on vaccinations.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, I think that it was irresponsible of her.
joe rogan
It's very irresponsible.
It's also what she really believed.
She really believed it at the time.
I don't know if she still does, but then I looked up all the things that have been caused by vaccinations, and that's where it's another one of those abortion-type things.
It's like...
Vaccinations, for sure, are not just beneficial.
They've probably extended the life of many people in this country.
They've stopped diseases like polio, nipped that shit basically in the bud.
You know, stopped measles and mumps in a lot of places because of it.
I'm a firm believer.
I'm a firm believer.
Don't get me wrong, but people have been damaged by vaccines.
That's a fact, too.
It's a small percentage, and most scientists believe that it's worth the risk.
But there's people that have been damaged by vaccines that are no longer on the market and no longer available.
GlaxoSmithKline used to have a vaccine for Lyme disease.
But the problem is, you only safely can take this vaccine if you have a certain gene or if you're lacking a certain gene.
And they have to run this gene examination on you.
They have to find out what it is.
Sorry for butchering this, but my friend's dad got Lyme disease from the fucking vaccine.
They were going to be hiking.
They were going to live in Connecticut.
greg fitzsimmons
Oh, he took it preemptively.
joe rogan
He took it preemptively, and it gave him fucking Lyme disease.
greg fitzsimmons
Hmm.
joe rogan
All of a sudden the guy's like bones hurt.
greg fitzsimmons
Lyme disease is the most poorly prescribed disease you can get.
They can go after it with cycle after cycle of hardcore antibiotics and sometimes they're just chasing it and they can't get it and it fucks you up.
They need a lot of research on that because it's getting worse.
joe rogan
You know the first case of it was less than 20 years ago.
greg fitzsimmons
Is that right?
joe rogan
Yes.
greg fitzsimmons
In Lyme, Connecticut.
joe rogan
Yeah, Lyme disease is, reported Lyme disease, I believe, less than 21 years old.
greg fitzsimmons
Wow.
joe rogan
I think they had never had it before, or was undiagnosed before, or it mutated.
No one knows exactly, but it's also connected to this weird thing called Morgellons.
Have you ever heard of Morgellons?
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
It's one of the things that we investigated on this sci-fi show, and what was interesting about it was doctors dismiss it right away.
Like, you tell someone about Morgellons.
I talked to, like, a really smart doctor.
Like, what do you think about Morgellons?
Like, oh, Morgellons, you know, those people are kind of crazy.
And I had been to a Morgellons conference, and I talked to doctors who have Morgellons.
And one of the weird things is that almost all of them also have Lyme disease.
So this Lyme disease, when ticks are such nasty cunts that they have a host of pathogens that they carry with them, Lyme disease being one of them, but there may be a bunch of undiagnosed tag-alongs, and Morgellons might be one of these.
These poor fucking people, man.
greg fitzsimmons
What are the effects of it?
joe rogan
First of all, it makes you crazy.
It fucks with your head.
greg fitzsimmons
Well, Lyme's disease does that, too.
It's neurological.
joe rogan
Yes.
It hurts their way they look at the world.
And one of the doctors that I talked to was talking to me about neurotoxicity, about how it has a certain amount of neurotoxicity.
We go pretty deep into it on this show.
It's incredibly fascinating.
greg fitzsimmons
And meanwhile, we don't fucking need deers.
Although they're being carried now in mice as much as deer.
joe rogan
Dogs, too.
You know, people who have never been around an area where this is a real issue would never understand it.
But, like, upstate New York, it's a real fucking problem.
greg fitzsimmons
It's too many deer.
joe rogan
A lot of deer, and they carry ticks, and those ticks get on people, and you get Lyme disease, and you're fucked.
greg fitzsimmons
Right.
joe rogan
And, you know, like, bright lights hurt, your joints hurt.
Like, it could fucking slow you down.
greg fitzsimmons
My aunt got it, and she had to go in once a week for antibiotics.
And, uh...
She got diabetes from it, a whole list of shit, plus extreme exhaustion.
joe rogan
Yeah, extreme.
greg fitzsimmons
She would be up six, seven hours a day.
And so you know what got rid of it?
joe rogan
What?
greg fitzsimmons
A hysterectomy.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
greg fitzsimmons
She needed a hysterectomy, and so she got it.
And then they found her Lyme disease was gone a few months ago, and the doctor went, oh yeah, yeah, that happens.
And she's like, so for 10, 15 years, I've been walking around exhausted, in pain, getting disease.
As a woman who was, you know, 50...
Obviously not having more kids, and the doctor didn't bring up that a hysterectomy would get rid of this disease.
joe rogan
How does a hysterectomy get rid of the disease?
greg fitzsimmons
I think it changes your estrogen levels or something.
joe rogan
Wow.
greg fitzsimmons
I don't know exactly.
And again, I always have to do a preamble when I do any sort of a recorded, spoken thing.
I don't know as much as I say I do.
So many times I will put out information that's wrong, but I will do it with full confidence.
joe rogan
Yeah.
That's the story of my life.
greg fitzsimmons
If you want to Google this entire interview, you will find no less than three major errors in what I've said.
And if you want to tweet me about it, it's at Greg Fitz Show.
Point them out, and I will acknowledge, like Sunday Gupta, who's the doctor?
joe rogan
Sanjay Gupta.
greg fitzsimmons
I will admit I was wrong.
joe rogan
That's beautiful, Greg.
greg fitzsimmons
Why not?
joe rogan
Why I Changed My Mind on Weed by Sanjay Gupta.
greg fitzsimmons
Oh, by the way, can I plug my dates?
joe rogan
Yeah, when are you somewhere?
greg fitzsimmons
I'm going to be coming up in Stand Up Live.
Do you know the club in Phoenix, Arizona?
joe rogan
Oh, I love that place.
That place is huge, man.
brian redban
When are you there?
greg fitzsimmons
Well, I'm there next week.
It'll be August...
15 through 17. 15 to 17. And, yeah, I just booked the date a couple weeks ago, so I need the fucking, I need the squad people to come out.
joe rogan
Yeah, let me know.
I'll tweet it.
Let me know about it.
Send it to me, I'll tweet it.
greg fitzsimmons
I will.
And then I have a one-hour special on Comedy Central coming out on August 18th at midnight.
joe rogan
Where'd you film it?
greg fitzsimmons
Tarrytown, New York, where I grew up.
It was a theater from 1885 that was in disrepair when I was growing up, so it used to be a movie theater.
I went to see fucking Herbie the Love Bug there, and then they restored it, and it's got all the ornate shit and the balcony, and it's incredible.
So it was like my family was there, my friends, and...
Westchester just fucking turned out.
Kids I went to grammar school with in high school and college.
unidentified
Wow.
greg fitzsimmons
It was an amazing night.
Really magic.
joe rogan
That's awesome.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
You're really getting into doing stand-up again.
You're really loving it again.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because for a long time you did a lot of writing, right?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Where you weren't doing nearly as much stand-up.
greg fitzsimmons
No.
And, you know, it's funny.
I talked to Dana Gould recently about it because, you know, he took time off entirely.
I mean, he stopped entirely when he did The Simpsons.
And now he's back in at the last five, six years.
And, you know, as everybody knows, just one of the most respected comics among comics, but does not have the acclaim around the country.
That he should because he was off the grid.
joe rogan
Well, it's because he stopped.
He stopped when he was really respected when we were coming up.
Right.
greg fitzsimmons
HBO specials.
joe rogan
Just a great comic.
Right.
And an interesting comic.
greg fitzsimmons
Right.
joe rogan
You know?
I mean, interesting points of view.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
And a very unique guy.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Then he stopped.
Just was writing for The Simpsons, right?
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, won Emmys, made a ton of fucking dope.
unidentified
Yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
And also, like, you know, had kids, wanted to be around a bit.
So for me, I feel like I never stopped, but I was splitting my time.
Like, for 12 years, I've worked on TV shows every year.
But I've also done, on a slow year, still 12 weekends a year.
And on a good year, I'm still like, this year I'll do 26 weekends.
Weekends.
joe rogan
26 is nice.
That's every two weeks you're going on the road.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's how it should be.
That's good.
That keeps you from freaking out.
greg fitzsimmons
Right.
joe rogan
Because if you're one of those...
Maybe when you were 21, you could go on the road for like a month and a half or two months.
But I get offered those things.
Like, let's do a bus tour.
I'm like, fuck you.
greg fitzsimmons
Dude, we should do one bus tour.
joe rogan
For how many days, though?
unidentified
Just a week.
greg fitzsimmons
Do a week.
We go to fucking Madison, Wisconsin, and Chicago.
Just root it so you got like two hours between each gig.
joe rogan
Bill Burr wanted to do something like that.
He wanted to go to like really shitty places.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
He like found a bunch of really shitty places and sent it to me.
I was like, I looked at the text.
I'm like, bitch, I ain't going.
There's places that are not worth going to, man.
They're just not.
greg fitzsimmons
Well, you could mix it up.
You do a really good city, and then you do a small one.
joe rogan
I would do it just to do shows with him.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Or do them with you.
We could do them together.
greg fitzsimmons
Me, you, Burr.
Brian, you open?
joe rogan
Boston, one, two, three, punch.
brian redban
I want to do a Dallas, Houston, Austin.
Just go up Texas.
greg fitzsimmons
I think Dallas and Austin are too much the same market.
They're only an hour away.
joe rogan
No, they're not the same market.
greg fitzsimmons
No?
brian redban
A lot of fucking people.
joe rogan
People in Texas will come out if they know Greg Fitzsimmons is only going to be in Austin.
They'll drive from Dallas, but it's not the same market.
They're both big-ass cities.
There's plenty of people in Austin, plenty of people in Dallas.
That cap city in Austin is one of the greatest clubs in the history of the world.
greg fitzsimmons
It's such a great fucking club, and the people that run it are cool.
joe rogan
Yeah, well, it's real, like, they support the art form.
You know, it's like a legit support of the art form club.
And that's all a town needs.
You need a club like that, and then you need a community, and then, you know, you need an open mic night, and then boom, you've got a bunch of comics.
greg fitzsimmons
Well, you need a manager that is going to, you know, it's effort to make an open mic night, and they don't make money on it, so it's an investment in the local talent.
Basically, you're saying, you know, the way...
The way San Francisco does and Denver does, you're saying, we're going to have our farm team locally.
We're going to teach guys how to do it on an open mic night, support them and make them opening acts when they're good enough.
And then they start to create their own satellite rooms and coffee houses and whatever.
And then you've got a scene and a club owner knows that I know this comic, he knows me.
You see people that go back to the San Francisco punchline, myself included.
I go in for way less money than I work anywhere else because it's a small room.
But I fucking do it because I love it.
I love Mali.
And you're in a city you love in the middle of it.
And so I think that it's smart for club owners to establish these relationships and give this support to the community because it pays back.
joe rogan
Yeah, no, it does pay back.
It does.
And I think that it's the best way to support stand-up and to keep the art form alive because it's hard for a person to go from being just a guy who wants to go on stage for the very first time, say, in Indianapolis.
It's fucking hard.
It's not easy to develop a comedy career.
even get time locally is very difficult unless you're doing your own rooms and then to start getting booked nationally good fucking luck.
You have to have some sort of a draw to get booked.
Unless you find someone to piggyback with like someone who thinks you're funny that takes you with them as a middle act or an opening act, good fucking luck getting booked anywhere.
greg fitzsimmons
And you would think because I think for a lot of feature acts they come in with somebody with a headliner.
Club owners sometimes resent that and you don't get booked back as a feature.
You You think that you're going to showcase for them as a feature for the headliner, but depending on the club, sometimes they would rather book their own features so they have a chip on their shoulder against that person.
joe rogan
Yeah, Tom Segura was telling me this story about this guy.
Someone couldn't make a show, so they had to call for a replacement.
The headliner?
Well, Tom was the headliner.
And the middle act couldn't make it.
And so Tom wanted to use his buddy who was in town.
And the manager's like, no, no, no.
I already got someone coming.
And she's like, you know, I prefer to use them.
And he's like, but I already, I'm in touch with this guy.
He's five minutes away.
He could be here.
Well, it turns out the other guy was someone that she was fucking.
greg fitzsimmons
Right.
joe rogan
So she wanted to get her boyfriend to work as a middle.
But he's like, well, this is, do you understand this is my show?
Like, I don't want this guy.
He's terrible.
greg fitzsimmons
Yep.
joe rogan
And so Tom was forced to work with this guy.
The last time he worked with him, he said he did 45 minutes and then was selling t-shirts at the end and had this big pitch for people to go buy his shirts.
It was like the grossest thing ever.
And so now he's got to fucking work with this guy again.
It's one of the big bummers about doing the road if you don't have full control of the show.
If you do the road like I do the road, we do the road, it's all our friends.
And then it becomes a party.
We might as well, if we're in Montreal...
Or if we're in Florida, it's the same party.
It's like we're moving all over the place, but it's the same party.
greg fitzsimmons
And it forces you to get out of your room and go to a decent restaurant for dinner.
Things become more of an event.
Whereas if I'm alone, I will eat at Starbucks breakfast and lunch.
That's how pathetic I am.
joe rogan
It's a very lonely thing to be working on the road alone for like three or four days in a row.
It's very lonely.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, I like it because, like you, I got kids in the house, and even though I have an office, it's different.
When I'm on the road, I get up late, but I'm awake when I'm up.
And then I work out, and then I listen to my show from the night before, and I take copious notes, and then I work on the set for that night, and then I weed all my fucking emails, and then I just go to the show with total focus.
joe rogan
Yeah.
That's a big one, man, that a lot of comics don't like to do.
Listening to the show and taking notes.
But I have gotten so much out of doing that.
That's one of the best warm-ups, too, for me.
If I'm going to do a show somewhere, I'll go over all of my notes.
I'll set aside two hours where I just go over notes.
greg fitzsimmons
Usually the plane ride for me is that.
joe rogan
It's perfect.
Plane ride's perfect.
You're focused.
You're sitting there.
You're not going anywhere.
You can get coffee anytime you want.
greg fitzsimmons
Right.
joe rogan
Boom.
But going over those notes, that's number one.
Then listening to a set and trying to figure out what order things should be in or what I forgot to do or what could be a good tag here.
Sometimes you'll have a little thing in a recording that becomes this blossom that takes off.
greg fitzsimmons
Right.
joe rogan
It's just one little...
greg fitzsimmons
And whatever the genesis of the joke was sometimes falls away entirely.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's so weird.
It's like the way you get to an idea sometimes, it's just like...
In that sense, it's almost a living thing.
It's kind of growing and finding its own form as you're working it out on stage.
greg fitzsimmons
And it's so subtle...
That you have to listen to the tape right away because then you can remember where your energy was at that moment and what thoughts you were having at that moment.
You can connect it all because the changes are so small.
joe rogan
Yes.
And sometimes you'll hear doors that opened up that you didn't follow through on.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
You're like, oh, there's another whole bit there.
Oh, my God.
That happens all the time.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Or you'll go off on a little tangent and you just think after you went off, thank god I got that recorded.
greg fitzsimmons
I forget everything when I get off stage.
joe rogan
People would never know the weird sort of mindset, unless they've done it, unless they've tried to do Stana, but that weird mindset when you're locked in in the groove, it's almost like you're there and you're focused and you're in the moment, but you're also completely blank.
And it's all just coming out of your mouth with no, you know, you're not clinging on to anything.
It's all just flying out of your mouth.
You're locked into it.
And it's almost like being a passenger in that sense.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, you're an active passenger.
It's almost like, I guess, like sports.
When you know the fundamentals well enough that you let go and you find, what do they call it?
The zone?
You're doing the zone.
And because you're so in the moment, you don't have that perspective of later on remembering what exactly you said.
And then you listen to it.
I'll listen to it on tape and completely forget that I went into this place where somebody from the audience yells something out.
And I think you and I are similar.
I don't go counter.
When somebody yells something out, I try to take it and use it if I possibly can.
And sometimes it's fucking great because it came out of they were in the moment, too, when they yelled something out.
joe rogan
Yeah.
And it's such a fine balance.
Like sometimes it's not a problem at all when people yell out something in the right time.
greg fitzsimmons
Right.
joe rogan
And sometimes it's like a huge problem because you get one idiot who won't stop doing it.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
And he's annoying everyone around him.
It's almost like it's a very fine line you walk.
Because occasionally someone will yell something and it's hilarious.
greg fitzsimmons
Well especially if it's clearly when you're between bits.
joe rogan
Yes, clearly.
That's great.
greg fitzsimmons
Yell it out then.
I'm going to get a sip of water.
You yell out an idea.
But if I'm, like, that abortion bit, I'll fucking set that thing up, which is, that's a 9.8 difficulty level, doing an abortion joke that's pro-life somewhat.
And you build it up and it's fragile, man.
You're staying on a house of cards because you haven't gotten to the laugh yet.
And then someone yells something and you want to go out and punch them in the face.
Because now you've got to lose the joke.
joe rogan
Yeah, that becomes a real problem when people just can't keep quiet long enough to let someone do their thing.
greg fitzsimmons
Right.
joe rogan
But it's also like the combative nature of people when it comes to controversial ideas.
The ideas become very emotionally invested in the ideas.
Whether if it's abortion or war or being a vegan, a lot of times you get that same sort of reaction.
So it's not just a matter of being attached to the idea.
It's being emotionally connected to that idea succeeding.
Right.
You being against that idea, in your face and screaming and pointing fingers.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
It becomes a weird human characteristic.
That's an unfortunate aspect to people when it comes to certain ideas.
I've felt it myself.
There's a natural inclination to be competitive.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, and it sort of feels like when you go to that place and you're trying to be honest, at the same time you want to say to the audience, hey listen, I'm not a professor at a university you're paying tuition at.
I'm not a speaker on NPR. I tell dick jokes in front of drunks, and if you have to challenge what I'm saying, you're really taking everything too seriously.
joe rogan
But there is a point, though, as an audience member, where we've all seen this one guy who goes on stage and is just essentially preaching.
greg fitzsimmons
Right.
joe rogan
I mean, we've all seen that.
And it gets to be this, you know, women should be the only ones who get to choose what they do and don't do to their body.
And they're, like, pacing the stage.
greg fitzsimmons
They wait for the applause break after.
joe rogan
Yeah, and the problem is, these points to me are, duh.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
It's of course they should.
Of course murder's it bad.
Of course you shouldn't rob people.
Of course you shouldn't kick babies.
Of course.
Duh.
You don't have to say that.
I mean, in my world, you don't have to say those things.
In my world, those things are a given.
So let's start there.
You don't have to just preach some really obvious shit that everyone's going to fucking agree with.
greg fitzsimmons
And also, to me, it's like if you're doing a joke that is about an issue, that's about gun control, that you're about gun control, Do a joke about a detail that you have a point of view on.
Don't announce, we are now going to take on gun control and here's my take on it.
joe rogan
Right.
greg fitzsimmons
To me, it's like bury that.
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah.
And it's also, I want to hear about it from a guy like you who I know is doing the work.
I know that if you're going to go on stage, you have my full confidence that if you're going to present an idea on stage, especially a very controversial one, Like a pro-life, sort of a pro-fetus sort of an argument in a joke form.
Like, whoo, I know that you have put together a little dance.
Right.
And I have to watch this dance completely play out.
greg fitzsimmons
And it may have some turns in it.
joe rogan
Exactly.
But that knee-jerk thing where people attach themselves to ideas.
You're talking about abortion?
Are you talking about...
It's almost like they've got a green light to be a dick.
This guy's an asshole.
Green light, wrong, not true, propaganda, liberal, whatever they want to say to you.
greg fitzsimmons
I was in Lake Tahoe and I was talking about how we've been brainwashed to support billionaires in this country and in every other society when this few people had this much of the money, they were dragged in the street, had their heads chopped off and we split their shit and we should start killing billionaires.
Well, it's obviously a ridiculous bit, but it's based in a feeling that I have of resentment of these people, right?
Clearly a comedic extrapolation on an idea.
And this dude fucking stands up.
In a casino in Lake Tahoe, walks towards the stage screaming at me that I'm a socialist, which by the way, I am!
Okay?
I do believe we should share this shit more.
So he walks up and somebody grabs him from coming up on stage.
And I just keep baiting him.
Now I'm like, I want this motherfucker on stage so bad.
I am getting in his head.
I'm making him implode.
So then they have to drag him out.
As soon as he gets thrown out, another dude in the back row is up.
He's pacing back and forth.
And I do the same thing.
I just look at him and I go, that's right!
I'll kill my bare fucking ass!
I'll pull him out of a Ferrari!
And they just keep going.
And it was like this instinct I had to create chaos because...
They are not going to take my show.
No matter what it takes, if I'm on a stage, that's my fucking stage.
And I will burn the place down before you take control of my show.
joe rogan
It becomes a real issue with folks who are not familiar with your material.
They're just going out to a quote-unquote comedy show.
greg fitzsimmons
Well, that's a casino, yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's the problem.
There's going to be a big difference between that and who comes to see you at the Brea Improv, for example.
Most likely, there's going to be Greg Fitzsimmons fans.
They're going to come, and they're going to know what you do, and they're going to enjoy it.
But when someone's just going out to see comedy, and you're giving them some really heavy-duty, subversive shit wrapped up in sarcasm, and it's like, what?
It's like their little feeble brains can't handle it.
greg fitzsimmons
Right, right.
joe rogan
Kill billionaires.
unidentified
What?
greg fitzsimmons
Right.
joe rogan
The fuck?
You know, billionaires made this fucking country.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
What it is?
unidentified
Ugh.
greg fitzsimmons
Because they believe they're going to be one.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's always broke people, too.
Right.
What is that about?
greg fitzsimmons
Boy, did they do a brainwashed job on them.
I applaud the Republican Party because, I should say, just the conservatives in general, the mind control that they have pulled off.
And now, the Koch brothers just purchased like 11 Tribune newspapers, like big ones.
joe rogan
That shouldn't be a problem.
greg fitzsimmons
Right.
It's not like Rupert Murdoch editorialized news at all.
brian redban
They're brothers that own Coca-Cola, by the way, the Coke brothers.
greg fitzsimmons
They're into textiles.
joe rogan
I think what's fascinating, too, about the idea of someone getting upset, like a poor person getting upset about billionaires and calling you a socialist or calling you a communist, like You're the people that would benefit the most from this not being the case.
Like this idea, pull yourself up by your bootstraps.
Those guys almost never do.
Because the billionaires, if they're in a situation and you're saying something to disagree with, they don't stand up and scream.
They get the fuck out of there.
You know why?
Because they don't want anybody knowing they're a billionaire.
When you're a fucking billionaire and you're just walking around, you're like a bank on wheels.
You can't just go places.
Oprah Winfrey.
Do you think Oprah Winfrey can just go places?
Everywhere Oprah goes, she must have some sort of protection with her.
She must have some big men and cars that ricochet bullets off of.
greg fitzsimmons
Do you know how many lawsuits are filed?
I'm not going to say who, but a really, really rich, famous person.
Fucking 14 lawsuits at that time against them.
joe rogan
Wow.
greg fitzsimmons
Why wouldn't you?
You have any contact with this person that doesn't go well...
Fuck it.
They'll settle out of court.
I'll grab a couple hundred thousand dollars.
joe rogan
Did you see what happened with Oprah Winfrey recently?
She said that she was subjected to racism while shopping in Switzerland.
Former talk show host tells Entertainment Tonight she was in a Zunick store when she asked an employee if she could examine a large purse.
According to Winfrey, the employee repeatedly refused, saying that the purse was too expensive.
greg fitzsimmons
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Wow.
The employer told her, no, you don't want to see that one.
You want to see this one because that one costs too much.
You won't be able to afford that, and I don't want to hurt your feelings.
unidentified
Wow.
greg fitzsimmons
Well, those are the whitest people in the world.
joe rogan
But could you imagine what a colossal fuck-up it is to say that to Oprah Winfrey?
greg fitzsimmons
Bad for the country.
They fucked it up for their whole country.
joe rogan
But stop and think just for a moment of all the people that you didn't think was rich.
greg fitzsimmons
Right.
joe rogan
Oprah fucking Winfrey.
She's one of the richest humans that have ever walked the face of the planet.
greg fitzsimmons
With one of the biggest platforms to communicate what you just did on the planet.
joe rogan
How many women are richer than Oprah Winfrey, especially self-made?
greg fitzsimmons
There's a woman in Australia who I think is the richest person in Australia, and she's worth more than Oprah.
joe rogan
Wow.
She wanted to buy it for Tina Turner.
So it's a double whammy.
unidentified
What's love got to do with it?
joe rogan
She was in Switzerland for Tina Turner's wedding.
She's trying to buy her a beautiful purse.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
That is fucking crazy.
greg fitzsimmons
That is crazy.
joe rogan
What a dummy.
That's a racist thing.
When I first heard about it, I was like, oh, come on.
That's probably not racist.
That is 100% racist.
When I first heard about it, this is how fucking gross I am.
I immediately dismissed it.
I was like, ah, racism.
She ain't fucking mad.
Stop complaining.
Europa Winfrey.
greg fitzsimmons
All right.
joe rogan
And then I went, oh.
Then you actually read the story and you go, oh yeah, that's racism.
That's it.
Isn't this a fucking store?
There's a store, right?
And you're selling shit and someone wants to see it because they want to buy it and you're like, nah, not you.
brian redban
Yeah, but what if a white woman came two minutes later and they said, she's like, no, this is too expensive.
You can look at it.
greg fitzsimmons
Well, why do they have the purse and the shit?
brian redban
It could be.
It's probably something you have to get a meeting with.
You have to...
Put down a credit card.
It's probably some kind of, you know, it might be that expensive where they're like, it's not even really for sale.
greg fitzsimmons
Oprah needs shit like this to happen.
joe rogan
It's a purse, man.
greg fitzsimmons
Oprah needs this shit to happen because her life is so insolent.
Like you said, there's always bodyguards around and you can't just walk out.
She doesn't get shit like that that she can then go on TV and talk about.
She loved it.
You think she's not looking for that?
Not to dismiss it.
I'm with you, Joe.
This is racism.
But her fucking twat wetted up when this happened.
brian redban
Did you hear what Chong's daughter called Oprah the other day?
joe rogan
Yeah, she was very rude.
greg fitzsimmons
Tommy Chong?
brian redban
Yeah, and then Chong defended her.
joe rogan
Did he really?
unidentified
Yeah.
What did he say?
brian redban
There's a video of him just saying, you know, she would be.
joe rogan
Well, what she said was about that Oprah would be the first person to run to the most powerful person in the room and kiss their ass and become their best friend.
greg fitzsimmons
Does he know her?
joe rogan
I think she called her.
She did a movie with her.
And I think she called her a house N-word.
brian redban
A field N-word.
joe rogan
Oh, a field N-word.
greg fitzsimmons
Is that worse than a house N-word?
brian redban
Yeah, because they have to be outside.
joe rogan
It's not even in the house.
greg fitzsimmons
It's a field one.
unidentified
Well, no.
greg fitzsimmons
The house ones, I think, though, are seen as more compromised by the white man.
joe rogan
Oh, okay.
unidentified
More docile.
joe rogan
That makes sense.
Well, yeah, then it's mean.
Then what she said is mean.
greg fitzsimmons
Saying that she's a sellout to white people.
joe rogan
How can you be upset about someone who's a slave?
That doesn't even make sense.
greg fitzsimmons
That's funny because you have white people that have black audiences and nobody calls them a sellout.
joe rogan
That's true, right?
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Or what about white people with white audiences?
Right.
Just because she's black and she has a white audience, there's a lot of black women like her too.
She obviously taps into a vein.
It's not my vein.
It's not your vein, but it's a vein.
But guess what?
People are different than you and I. It's nothing wrong with that.
I like Oprah.
I think Oprah is a really positive person.
What she promotes to me, despite the fact that she's a super billionaire, is that you can think positive, you can make shit happen, you can do things, you can be nice to people, you can promote good causes.
Talk about healthy food.
greg fitzsimmons
She's a multinational corporation, and she chooses to spend a lot of that money on schools in Africa, learning programs here.
She's a role model for women and black people.
joe rogan
She had a lot of gossipy interviews, especially back in the day.
Bill Burr had a great joke about how she actually made her career.
She can't get all high and mighty now because we remember how you got there in the first place.
She had a crazy Maury Povich type show.
People forget that.
I was hanging out with Al Madrigal.
It was one of the first times I ever met him.
He was the host at the Old Cobbs.
Do you remember the Old Cobbs?
Did you ever do it?
greg fitzsimmons
I was there the night it burned down.
I was on stage when it burned down.
unidentified
Really?
joe rogan
Oh my god.
How many seats was that?
150?
125. 125. What a great room.
You were there actually when the fire broke out.
greg fitzsimmons
Right.
Firemen ran in and told everybody to get out of the building.
Helmets on, axes, people ran out.
There was fucking shit falling off the buildings.
joe rogan
Holy shit.
greg fitzsimmons
And I stood in the street and I watched the thing burn to the ground.
It was crazy.
joe rogan
What started that fire?
greg fitzsimmons
Next door was a hotel they were renovating, and it was like an oily rag kind of thing, and then it crossed over because it was called the Cannery, and it's an old walkway with the buildings pretty close together, and you know those San Francisco buildings are from like the 1820s.
joe rogan
And it's always been the problem with San Francisco is that if there's a fire, all buildings are connected.
Like a lot of those buildings on those hills.
greg fitzsimmons
And it's windy, so it's blowing the flames.
joe rogan
And it's hills, so everything goes up.
It's like, I mean, they have terrible fires.
The earthquake and fire, what was it, like the 1800s?
Then they had that other one in 94, right?
There were some fires attached to that one, too, wasn't there?
No, not, 89, right?
Was it 89?
greg fitzsimmons
I think that was the earthquake in 89, wasn't it?
Where they got hit really hard, or was that 91?
joe rogan
They hit by earthquake and fire.
greg fitzsimmons
During the World Series.
World Series.
joe rogan
Fuck yeah, that's right.
I remember that.
That was nuts.
Yeah, that's a crazy place to live.
San Francisco is a badass city though.
So I was there with Al Madrigal and we had just worked together and we were smoking pot with him and his friends.
And we're sitting in his parents' house.
His parents had this dope house on the hill.
And we were watching Oprah Winfrey.
Old school Oprah Winfrey.
And I'll never forget.
We were sitting there.
It was one of the first times I ever met Al.
And we were watching the show.
And we were like, damn, look how crazy Oprah used to look.
She used to have this crazy hair.
And she was interviewing these racists, these real heavy-duty white supremacists.
And it wasn't like the chastising, holier-than-thou Oprah of today.
It was like the scared Oprah who was just starting.
She was almost like a newspaper reporter or a newscaster.
It wasn't like the confident, powerful, iconic figure Oprah.
It was weird.
It's like, wow, this woman, she worked her way up.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, she became like a lioness.
She became more graceful and powerful as she got older.
And don't forget, she won an Oscar for Color Purple.
joe rogan
Yeah, no shit.
She, I mean, if you stop and think about it, like how many other women have ever done like that and like risen to that level?
They get close and then they fucking, they Rosie O'Donnell it.
greg fitzsimmons
Right.
I mean, Ellen looked like she was going there and then the show kind of flatlined a little.
I mean, I think it's a successful show, but it didn't grow into the empire that Oprah has.
joe rogan
Rosie had a good show on the Oprah Winfrey Network, but for whatever reason...
greg fitzsimmons
TV show or radio show?
joe rogan
She was a TV show.
I did it.
greg fitzsimmons
Oh, yeah?
joe rogan
She was very nice.
greg fitzsimmons
I was in Chicago, right?
joe rogan
Yes.
Yeah, she was at Oprah's place.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, she was a brutal boss.
I know some people that worked on that show.
unidentified
Oh, really?
greg fitzsimmons
Apparently, they just cleaned house one day, everybody.
joe rogan
Oh, really?
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
She's a tough boss.
joe rogan
Well, she's a lesbian.
She's like a dude.
greg fitzsimmons
Right.
You think she's a lesbian?
joe rogan
That's what I've heard.
Rosie O'Donnell?
greg fitzsimmons
Oh, fuck, I'm sorry.
joe rogan
Who are you talking about?
unidentified
Oprah.
joe rogan
Oprah.
Oh, no, no, no, no, no.
No, I thought you were talking about Rosie.
greg fitzsimmons
No, Rosie is a, yes, I believe a lesbian.
joe rogan
She's a powerful lesbian.
She's a big conspiracy theorist.
greg fitzsimmons
Is she?
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
Tower 7. A big Tower 7 person.
brian redban
I just watched another Tower 7 video with Ed Asner.
I was like, if Ed Asner's now, they're getting involved with Tower 7 videos.
It was the most legit Tower 7 video I saw.
greg fitzsimmons
Ed Asner's on board?
brian redban
Yeah, yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
Wow!
brian redban
But still, it's like they never talk about...
The whole video is very believable, but they never talk about the humongous chunk of building that was missing on one side.
They always talk about, well, this is impossible because this happened and this happened.
greg fitzsimmons
They talk about what?
The way it melted?
brian redban
Yeah, there's no office fire that's ever taken down a building and how the columns, this one was damaged and that made everyone all of them.
But they also don't talk about the big humongous hole that's missing in the building.
Not once in that video did they talk about the big hole in the missing.
greg fitzsimmons
Joe Rogan, your take on Tower 7.
joe rogan
There's most certainly a giant hole and diesel fires through the whole building.
That said, I have never seen a building collapse into its foundation like that that wasn't.
A controlled demolition.
It doesn't mean that it can't happen, because obviously I'm not an architect, but I know that they have that architects and engineers for 9-11 Truth.
There's like 2,000 people involved in that, and they all have this belief that that would have never happened under natural circumstances.
But out of those 2,000, how many more thousands disagree?
I don't know that.
I don't have that information.
greg fitzsimmons
It might be 2,000 believe that, but it might be 150,000 think it's nonsense because of X or Y. Well, the government pointed to this, or might have commissioned Popular Mechanics, I believe, did the definitive report which said that everything was legit, but that felt a little too neat.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's a Hearst publication, man.
William Randolph Hearst.
That's the same guy who made marijuana illegal.
That's the same guy who put stories.
I mean, Hearst Publications.
greg fitzsimmons
Is that like 1930?
joe rogan
Yeah, 30, whatever it was, 35 or something like that.
I mean, he put in stories about these blacks and Mexicans.
greg fitzsimmons
Oh, raping?
joe rogan
Raping white women because they got hooked on this marijuana.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
That's where the term marijuana came from.
Before that, marijuana was a slang for a wild Mexican tobacco.
greg fitzsimmons
No shit!
joe rogan
Yeah.
Oh, he's a bad motherfucker.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
It was all because of hemp.
Hemp the commodity.
He was going to have to switch his paper over.
unidentified
He had newspapers.
joe rogan
He was going to switch his paper over to hemp because hemp is a superior paper.
And he was going to have to switch.
He had forests that he would chop down and make trees out of because he had paper mills.
Because he not only had newspapers, he also had paper mills.
So in this battle over the commodity of hemp, he demonized it as being connected to this drug that That was making black and Mexicans rape white women.
greg fitzsimmons
Right, and then in 1970, they commissioned a big study, the government did, and then they, I think they made another law, or...
joe rogan
Well, 1970 was a sweeping psychedelic act that made everything illegal.
greg fitzsimmons
Okay.
That was when it was like category one drugs.
joe rogan
Yeah, actually, what's really fascinating is the category one drugs are less dangerous in a lot of ways than category two drugs.
Like category one is marijuana, but two, schedule two, is cocaine and heroin.
greg fitzsimmons
Because they're considered less addictive?
joe rogan
No.
They're way more addictive, way more dangerous, way more toxic, LD50 rates much higher or much lower, with lethal dose at 50%.
You can kill yourself pretty easy on either one of those, heroin or cocaine.
greg fitzsimmons
Nobody in the history of time has ever OD'd on marijuana.
joe rogan
Exactly.
Marijuana's not going to kill you.
So the idea that one of them is a Schedule 1, which is marijuana, which is the most illegal, And those two are scheduled too.
It's one of the kookiest fucking things.
brian redban
It's so crazy.
greg fitzsimmons
It's the kookiest things ever.
And also in this weed movie, Gupta talks about how the level of addiction with marijuana was way overstated and every new study shows that it's like a 10% rate as opposed to like a 30 or 40% rate with heroin and cocaine.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
And there's people that are addicted to everything.
You can get into that until the sun comes home.
There's people that are addicted to playing online poker.
Physically addictive.
I've been addicted to playing video games.
I know that feeling.
It is very much like an addiction.
It's a compulsive, gnawing away at your consciousness feeling.
And that could happen with almost anything.
It could certainly happen with marijuana.
greg fitzsimmons
Well, that's psychological versus physiological.
joe rogan
Yeah, psychological versus physiological.
And psychological is a real issue.
It's a real issue.
But it's an issue for almost everything that exists.
And when you're dealing with giant numbers, like how many people smoke marijuana, Jesus Christ, you're talking about millions and millions and millions of fucking people in this country.
Millions.
So out of those, you're going to get a couple of losers, okay?
You're going to get a few people that can't keep this shit together.
You're going to get a few people that would have Falling off the rails if it was sniffing glue or huffing pain.
greg fitzsimmons
Doritos.
joe rogan
Yeah.
So is it tricky for even intelligent people?
Certainly can be.
Conditions vary.
Biology varies.
But for the most part, we've been sold a pack of shit.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, and it feels...
joe rogan
Pack of shit?
unidentified
Pack of shit.
joe rogan
Pile of shit.
greg fitzsimmons
And it feels like the tide is changing, right?
I mean, it's...
joe rogan
Yes.
This was a big one.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, this is huge.
joe rogan
That's Sanjay Gupta.
That's the guy who was also accused of being a shill because he was getting paid millions of dollars by, or thousands of dollars, excuse me, I might have exaggerated, thousands of dollars by the pharmaceutical companies.
greg fitzsimmons
Like blood pressure medication or something?
joe rogan
I don't know what it was, but Dr. Drew apparently got a little cash on his side too.
You know, dog, listen man, I ain't just running shit on TV for my own personal benefit.
greg fitzsimmons
I gots to wet my beak, motherfucker.
joe rogan
I love nice cars.
I like pretty shiny shit.
greg fitzsimmons
Give the doctor a taste now.
joe rogan
I don't think there's anything wrong with a good doctor getting consultations or giving consultations or making some money.
Nothing wrong with that.
greg fitzsimmons
I think it's against the Hippocratic Oath.
joe rogan
Is it?
greg fitzsimmons
I would think so.
I mean, they're supposed to be as neutral as possible.
They're scientists.
And I think if they're dispensing advice that can affect your life, your health...
joe rogan
But Greg, these people have taken an oath.
Surely they would only do good.
And just the fact that this company is making them hundreds of thousands of dollars, that doesn't mean that they'd be willing to say things they wouldn't ordinarily say.
It's true.
greg fitzsimmons
They would only sign on for the ones that they absolutely believed in.
joe rogan
That's it.
That's the only way they do it.
That's how doctors roll.
Doctors are different than all other people that have ever existed, in fact.
greg fitzsimmons
And judges.
joe rogan
Yes.
greg fitzsimmons
Judges are all completely unaffected by the political party that got them into office.
joe rogan
Oh, we're fucked.
It's a stupid system, isn't it?
greg fitzsimmons
It's a crazy system, but it seems to me that this pot thing...
I feel really excited about some of the trends that we're getting with legalized gay marriage, with legalized marijuana.
I think these are big fucking cracks in the wall.
joe rogan
I think so, too.
I think it's also, there's an understanding that people are finally getting that we've been sort of sold this bill of goods that it's conservative versus liberal.
Okay, look, folks.
Now we have a liberal president and everything's exactly the same.
Exactly.
Okay, it's got to stop.
Like, at this point in time, when a guy who is a fucking half-black son of a single parent, when that guy is doing the same shit and it's running exactly the same way...
greg fitzsimmons
Something's horribly wrong.
joe rogan
We've been sold a bill of goods.
greg fitzsimmons
Right.
joe rogan
And we're duking it out with each other over gay marriage and nonsense.
Let's just get married.
Who gives a fuck?
And then I think slowly but surely as people realize that this immediate connection with homosexual being like liberal...
Something wrong with the way they've been raised.
You know, delinquent, evil, anti-Christian.
greg fitzsimmons
AIDS. They got AIDS because they deserved it.
joe rogan
Like, these ideas, these are ridiculous.
And at a certain point in time, people are going, oh yeah, yeah, I don't know.
I just...
I thought gay people were trying to recruit people.
People are slowly starting to realize that it's a stupid idea.
greg fitzsimmons
If you could put three things on the table that should be dealt with and talked about and change should be made versus all these window dressing things, even abortion, those are all, they affect, people deal with it how they want to deal with it.
What are the things that you think should be in the public discourse right now?
joe rogan
The biggest one would be people being able to vote on everything.
Everything that gets done.
Every war act.
Unless it's immediate defense of life.
Those situations like Pearl Harbor.
They've been attacked.
Get the boats out of there.
Shoot back.
That type of a scenario.
Everything other than that, I think there should be an educated discourse.
And that's the only way that you have a government that acts in representation of the people itself.
Most people would not be for most of the things that happen, especially if they were educated about the ramifications.
This is the actual motivation.
Here's the pros and cons.
Here's the conspiracy theory.
If we looked at it all from an educated standpoint, much less would slip through the cracks.
greg fitzsimmons
And they have to make it easy because what it comes down to is who will be motivated to actually go to the polls and vote.
It's got to be on your fucking laptop with a code.
There is votes.
Once a week?
joe rogan
Yeah.
People will say that, oh, you can't fucking, someone's gonna hack into it.
Guess what else you can do online?
You can bank online.
That's way nuttier than check left for yes and right for no.
Putting your money, your fucking ones and zeros in some weird account somewhere and moving around.
It's on plastic and you run it through the machine at the gas station.
That's fucking way nuttier than voting.
greg fitzsimmons
Way nuttier.
You look at what they've hacked into with WikiLeaks online.
They've got national secret nuclear codes are online.
joe rogan
Think about the number of transactions that take place, banking-wise, every day, online.
And then add to those stock market transactions.
People are getting loans online.
The amount of transactions that are taking place are fucking staggering.
unidentified
True.
greg fitzsimmons
Trillions probably every day.
joe rogan
Probably.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, so it seems like, yeah, if you could, the problem is like with the voting booths, it turns out there was a Republican, one of the main Republican fundraisers in Florida was the guy that designed the voting booths for Florida.
It's like, all right, we got to pick a fucking company to set up software to vote.
That is from Switzerland.
They don't like black people, but they're neutral to us voting.
joe rogan
Well, it's just one person.
This is not representing the entire country.
One person fucked up with Oprah.
Maybe Oprah tries to fuck with people and she goes and gets made up like a homeless lady, puts fake scabs.
greg fitzsimmons
She's just looking to talk shit.
brian redban
Very obnoxious.
joe rogan
Sort of like a kung fu master might pretend to be a drunk and stumble into a bar to get people to push them around so they can fuck people up.
I've met people who have done that before.
Maybe that's what Oprah did.
She's leaving out part of this story.
greg fitzsimmons
Right.
joe rogan
She said, well, you think that I could get to that purse?
Let me check out that purse!
Oh, man, that purse is the shit!
unidentified
Y'all give me a Toblerone bone and one of those purses.
joe rogan
Can you imagine if Oprah was a troll?
And she just goes around.
She's bored with being a billionaire.
So she goes around just trying to get people to talk shit.
greg fitzsimmons
Just entrapping people.
joe rogan
Bitch, I'm Oprah!
Smack!
unidentified
That's her new show, Bitch I'm Oprah.
joe rogan
At a certain point in time, if she really wants to go out gangster, now's the time to really go for it.
Bitch I'm Oprah should be the name of her next show.
You should run it.
greg fitzsimmons
I would run that because I understand the black people.
I have written on about five black shows, and I don't know why, but my first writing job was on Cedric the Entertainer Presents.
Cedric, St. Louis black guy who fucking sings and dances.
I get hired to write his monologues.
Just me.
joe rogan
Wow.
greg fitzsimmons
Then I go on, I wrote on...
joe rogan
Let me ask you that before you stop.
How did you do that?
Like, what was the process?
greg fitzsimmons
Well, Louis C.K. was on the show, and I told him, look, I haven't seen my one-year-old son in a year because I've been on the road so much.
I need a writing job.
So he sets up a meeting with Cedric, and I came in and I pitched him a few ideas for monologues.
And I said, well, why are black people always the first ones kicked off reality shows?
If there's a vote, if it's Survivor, you could be like, Tyrone, I know you were a Green Beret.
You saved us from that Barracuda.
You set up the tent during the storm, but you're black, man.
Hit the pavement.
joe rogan
Yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
So I gave him like three ideas like that, and he was like sold.
And then we would sit, the shows were taped on Friday night.
So on Monday, I'd just hang out in his office with him for like an hour, and we would just shoot the shit.
You know, not topical ideas, just, you know, anything.
And we'd shoot the shit, and the writer's assistant would sit there, tap, tap, tap, tap, writing everything we said down.
And then I'd have a couple days to kind of compile it, tweak it, punch it up, show it to him.
And then he'd go, yeah, I like this, I like that.
And that was it.
Friday, getting makeup put on.
Meanwhile, you've got to remember, he would rehearse and choreograph an entire dance number.
He was incredible.
And so he would come out on stage, do a dance number with the sensation dancers, finish, hit his mark, and do the monologue.
No teleprompter, no cue cards.
All he had was me.
After Wednesday, I would sit in his makeup room while he was getting made up, and I would be like, give him like one sheet of paper.
You know, we're going to talk about the Amish.
And you hit this beat, this beat, this beat, this beat.
You go out on this joke.
Got it.
Okay.
Thanks, Greg.
Thanks, Fitzdog.
He'd nail it every time.
joe rogan
Wow.
So that must have been a fun gig to write in someone else's voice.
Yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, it was.
And what was great is I was surrounded by...
It was Louis C.K. and Jay Johnson.
It was all black writers except for me and Louis.
unidentified
Wow.
greg fitzsimmons
And so it was like on tape night, it was fucking crazy.
Every guy's office was a different vibe.
One guy had the fucking bong...
It was just pot.
And the next one, there were these girls called the Dangerous Dimes, because dimes with black people is she's a 10. And they were these girls.
And all of a sudden, on tape night, you'd see it looked like prostitutes had just gotten off a bus, walking through with fucking micro mini dresses and those thick black thighs and stiletto heels.
joe rogan
Did you ever close a door and whack one off?
greg fitzsimmons
Oh, fuck yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, tell me.
greg fitzsimmons
No, I mean, not with one.
I mean, I used to...
joe rogan
No, no, I mean, like, close the door.
Right.
Into a sink.
brian redban
Right on your feet.
greg fitzsimmons
On that show, I was jerking off in the men's room one time, and it was the first week of work.
LAUGHTER And the men's room had a urinal and one stall.
And I'm in there and I'm jerking off and I'm just climaxing.
And the door to the stall opens.
And it's my boss.
It's the showrunner.
joe rogan
Did he know you were jerking off?
greg fitzsimmons
And I doubled over and he went, oh, oh!
And he walked out.
And I waited like 15 minutes and I came back in the writer's room, just looked at my computer, fucking, and nothing said about it for like a week.
I'm like, am I going to get fired?
And then everybody's talking one day and somebody's talking about taking shit.
And he goes, Jesus, I walked in on Fitzsimmons the other day.
He was, he was really, he was like doubled over.
You know, I locked the door next time and I was like, thank you.
You thought I was taking a shit.
joe rogan
Oh, that's so funny.
So you were sitting down jerking off.
greg fitzsimmons
Right, on the toilet seat.
joe rogan
Wow.
greg fitzsimmons
Yep.
joe rogan
Well, he thought you were just struggling.
greg fitzsimmons
He thought I was struggling.
joe rogan
Meanwhile, you're shooting one onto the floor.
Where were you coming?
greg fitzsimmons
I would take toilet paper, and I'd put it over the crown, and I would just kind of slam.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
That would look like you're about to wipe.
Like you walked in, you're about to wipe.
greg fitzsimmons
Right.
joe rogan
Wow.
Wow, that's a very anal move to cover your load with toilet paper.
You'd catch it.
It never happened!
greg fitzsimmons
That's right.
joe rogan
You never see it.
It never happened.
greg fitzsimmons
Shame be gone.
joe rogan
It's a good idea.
They should do that at the end of a fleshlight.
It should be all tissues to catch it.
greg fitzsimmons
Doesn't it seem like there should be a condom in a fleshlight that you can just remove like a liner?
brian redban
Yeah, but then you'd lose the feeling.
That patented rubber is patented for a reason.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's too mushy to be that thin.
If it was that thin, it probably wouldn't feel like it.
greg fitzsimmons
You're no longer a spokesperson for the fleshlight, correct?
joe rogan
I'm sorry.
That was one of the things where more people told me not to do it than almost anything I've ever done.
Do you regret it?
No!
Why?
It doesn't...
It's something you fuck.
Who cares?
Like, the idea that it's evil or seedy or...
What are you, pretending you don't like something touching your penis?
Are we really pretending that?
Or are we pretending it's only noble if you do it with your hands?
greg fitzsimmons
Right.
b-real
Are you allowed to use lube?
joe rogan
Are you allowed to...
No, no, no.
You can only jerk off out of necessity.
You have to dry dick it.
greg fitzsimmons
In the shower.
joe rogan
You have to just be upset with yourself the entire time.
Let's just get this over with really quickly.
No, people look forward to jerking off.
And that's why there's a billion porn tapes out there.
And that's why flashlights sound like hotcakes.
greg fitzsimmons
You know what's crazy is you think about all the sexual positions you'll have with your partner.
You're always trying to be creative.
Try something new.
It's exciting.
And most people jerk off.
Most people.
How the fuck do I know what people do?
unidentified
Do I know?
greg fitzsimmons
I know that I don't try anything.
When I was a teenager, you know, I'd fuck everything.
You know, my pillow.
And now it's just like, same type of porn, usually the same spot.
brian redban
Oh, man.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
brian redban
Did you get any of the webcam stuff?
Have you tried that?
greg fitzsimmons
Never liked the webcam.
joe rogan
I remember one time I had a date with this chick.
It was just after high school.
And I kind of had a thing for her in high school, but we never did anything.
And they were going to meet up.
And she was like, DTF. Like, completely down to fuck.
And I was working.
I was doing construction.
And I was so horny thinking about it all day, because it's been a while since I got some, that I jerked off twice at work.
Jesus Christ.
Not once.
unidentified
Twice.
joe rogan
Twice.
I jerked off once in the bathroom, and one time I shot a load out of the door.
I was working in an unfinished basement, and it had like a basement door, and I just looked around, just...
But then, that night, when I hooked up with the girl, I could barely get it up.
I was tired from work, because I had a construction job.
At the end of the day, you were beat.
And I was beating off all day, so that made me tired.
My desire was gone.
I'd already come twice in a day, like an idiot.
Once is a good move.
But twice is ridiculous.
greg fitzsimmons
I can't even do that.
I'm one-time Charlie.
I was working this club early on.
I was like the opening act to Catch a Rising Star down in Princeton, New Jersey.
joe rogan
Oh, I remember that gig, yeah.
It was near the college.
greg fitzsimmons
Near the college, and you stayed in the hotel, and it was a beautiful Hyatt.
It was a gig that all the New York comics like.
You take the train an hour and 20 minutes down, and you stay in a nice hotel.
Good room.
Anyway, so there was this one chick and, you know, there's always the one girl that people know.
Oh yeah, when you're there, Jenny, she'll take care of you.
You know, she's the one that fucks.
So we go out to like a Red Robin restaurant after the show and she's flirting with me and she was like a physical therapist with short blonde hair and was really rock hard body.
joe rogan
I'm taking my pants off right now.
greg fitzsimmons
Good rack.
Good solid rack.
So we're talking and I go, well you want to go to my...
She goes, I can't really go in the hotel because I work there.
And she goes, you know what, just let me in the back door.
So I let her in the back door and she comes up to my room and she is, what do you call it, down to fuck?
She is DTF. DTF. So she goes down and she blows me, and I blast.
And then she wants to make love with me.
joe rogan
Too late.
greg fitzsimmons
And for the only time in my life, I couldn't keep it up.
And she got pissed and yelled at me and left.
joe rogan
Ooh, she yelled at you?
unidentified
Yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
Not yelled, but she was frustrated and disappointed in me, and it came through.
joe rogan
Were you sober at the time?
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
So you just had nothing left?
greg fitzsimmons
I just can't do that.
I've never been able to do that.
joe rogan
It's funny that she got mad.
I would get mad too if I was a girl.
I get it.
greg fitzsimmons
Well, that's why I always say with oral sex, there's no upside for women.
joe rogan
Right.
greg fitzsimmons
For us, there's an upside because if we go down on her, she's ready to rock after that.
Everyone's getting laid after you go down on her.
If she goes down on you, you may just leave.
joe rogan
Oh, so sad.
Sad to be a woman.
greg fitzsimmons
I know.
It is.
joe rogan
But think of having babies grow inside you.
That's the benefit.
That's the upside.
Yeah, if you give a guy a blowjob, you can't get it up again.
But you can make people with your pussy.
unidentified
Right.
brian redban
Did you guys hear Virgin Airlines is doing comedy now on the actual airplane?
joe rogan
No, they're not.
greg fitzsimmons
They used to do that on the flights to London, right?
joe rogan
Please tell me how they're doing this.
brian redban
Yeah, and you can go on their Twitter page to find out who's playing and stuff.
But can you imagine that was your job?
Like, I'm playing for the next week in the air.
greg fitzsimmons
You know what?
That would be hilarious.
Bring a friend and videotape it and just do fucking crazy shit.
joe rogan
Yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
That would be awesome.
Remember the time me and Joe got hired to just be funny at an aquarium in Boston for a corporation?
It was like their Christmas party.
And we got hired, and we're like, oh great, we're going to do stand-up at this Christmas party.
And then they tell us, no, no, no, just walk around and do funny stuff.
No one knew we were comedians, because it was a couple hundred people, so everybody didn't know each other.
And we're eating off people's plates, And making fun of their ties.
And we were just...
People fucking hated us.
It wasn't working.
joe rogan
Just to say for the record, I did not eat off anybody's plate.
But Greg did.
Greg did.
And a guy...
He was just being funny with a big smile on his face.
Took a guy's strawberry.
And this guy wanted to kill him.
And I was like, oh my god, this guy's gonna hit him.
Something's gonna go...
And the guy just goes, you're a fucking asshole.
Right.
And it was like, whoa, this just got real.
greg fitzsimmons
So I just went in the corner and started eating fucking hors d'oeuvres, and then all of a sudden I hear on the loudspeaker, I hear Joe, he found the microphone, and he's like, attention, any parent with a child with a blue sweater, he's now floating in the shark tank, please report to security.
And people thought it was real.
It was fucking, I don't, did we get kicked out or we just left?
joe rogan
I think something like that happened.
greg fitzsimmons
I know I didn't get paid.
I didn't get paid.
It was like $200.
joe rogan
The whole thing was a mess.
It should have never happened.
No one should have ever got a bunch of 20-year-old comedians and said, go do whatever you want to do at this aquarium.
greg fitzsimmons
It was an ad agency trying to be creative, trying something new.
joe rogan
Oh, you dummies.
I think the plane thing would be fine as long as you didn't have to be a part of the show.
Like, what if you're trying to get some work done and the guy's like, where are you from, sir?
You're like, oh, no.
Like, I'm sorry, I have an hour.
Oh, somebody's an asshole.
Doesn't want to play along.
Like, oh, I've got an hour.
I've got to work.
Things I have to do.
I didn't know I was going to have to react to you.
greg fitzsimmons
It's almost like you should be in a soundproof booth and the people that want to hear you put on their headphones, but if you don't want to hear it, you can't hear it.
brian redban
You're a creepier, like a whack-off booth.
You're a comedian.
And if you don't have the headphones, you're just like...
joe rogan
That's too complicated.
Where do you think the comic would stand?
I guess I guess...
greg fitzsimmons
The bulkhead.
joe rogan
The first class people would probably be pissed.
They'd be the most likely to say, this is bullshit.
I don't want to see a fucking comedian.
I got to do my spreadsheet.
So maybe it would be like in the middle.
Like when first class separates to coach, they'll stand right there.
greg fitzsimmons
Right.
joe rogan
And do their little act.
greg fitzsimmons
Meanwhile, first class, if they want to do it right, I don't know if this has been done.
I think Playboy or Hooters had a plane at one point.
joe rogan
Hooters had a plane?
brian redban
Yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
Yep.
brian redban
That was my dream to take it, but there was one flight, and it was like, Oklahoma to Florida.
greg fitzsimmons
It was totally booked all the time.
joe rogan
People would fly to Oklahoma just to fly to Florida.
unidentified
Well, I'm going to transfer over to Hooters.
joe rogan
I've got a two-stop shop.
greg fitzsimmons
But imagine getting a lap dance in first class on a flight.
That would be so pretty great.
brian redban
Red eyes.
Oh, that'd be amazing.
greg fitzsimmons
Because I could have, you know, five hours of really high-end strippers just walking around, gently giving lap dances.
No fucking Van Halen blasting.
Just cool, cool lap dances.
joe rogan
Just like really slow music.
greg fitzsimmons
Right.
joe rogan
Nice and sensual.
greg fitzsimmons
Dark lights.
joe rogan
Throwing their tits in your face and just gently knocking them back and forth while you sit there and go...
The lap dance is a very strange creation.
Eddie Bravo has a fucking hilarious story about the birth of the lap dance.
He was working in a comedy club and he saw the lap dance become a feature.
And then before that, it was just the women would dance on stage.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
And then it was like, well, we got a new thing.
You're going to be able to do lap dances.
And most of the girls were like, fuck that.
I'm not sitting on anybody's fucking lap dance.
greg fitzsimmons
It's a big line to cross.
joe rogan
Yeah, but one girl did.
And the first day, this one girl made just fucking ass piles of money.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
And so after that...
There was one extra girl the next day, and then two girls, and then four.
And before you know it, they were all doing it.
But it took a while.
They had to just start bringing in money.
People would be waiting in line to get lap dances from this one girl.
This one girl was just sitting on everybody's dick, bare pussy.
They're allowed to do that.
They sit on your dick, bare pussy.
greg fitzsimmons
Where?
joe rogan
Everywhere.
greg fitzsimmons
No shit.
joe rogan
Yeah, everywhere that doesn't serve alcohol.
unidentified
Damn.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's crazy.
greg fitzsimmons
It's beautiful.
When I was in Montreal, and Montreal is pretty famous for the strip clubs, and I was there for six nights.
I didn't go to one, and I just had no fucking...
I figured I might go.
Who knows?
People go as a group.
joe rogan
Right.
greg fitzsimmons
I don't know.
I think that...
joe rogan
You were over it?
greg fitzsimmons
I think I'm over it.
I don't know why.
I don't know if it's because I have a daughter or it just...
I don't know.
brian redban
The size parlors are so much cheaper.
joe rogan
It is if you think about the actual...
If you go to the right ones and get the actual result you're looking for.
brian redban
Yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
How much does that cost?
brian redban
It depends what you want.
What do you want?
joe rogan
He's going to jerk you off.
greg fitzsimmons
Oh, you mean there's some where you...
joe rogan
He's going to go, okay, come on back.
They're going to open up that curtain.
Brian's got a table set up back there.
greg fitzsimmons
You'd get a lot more guests on the podcast.
joe rogan
He's going to come back with a wig on.
greg fitzsimmons
There'd be like 10 guests in here every day.
brian redban
Handjobs places are more common, but blowjob places are pretty easy, and full-on sex places are about 20 that I know of here in Los Angeles.
greg fitzsimmons
20?
joe rogan
Jesus!
greg fitzsimmons
And how much is it to go get a massage and a handjob?
brian redban
A massage and a handjob, you'll be in and out with an hour massage for like 80 bucks.
unidentified
Jesus Christ.
joe rogan
It would be nice if it also came with a magic wand.
You pressed it to the back of their head and they would forget everything that happened.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
If they develop the ability to zap someone and you lose the last 30 minutes of memory.
Just complete, full erasure.
greg fitzsimmons
Oh, you don't want the masseuse remembering who you are?
joe rogan
Well, you could sneak out that way.
You don't have to feel ashamed.
Like, nothing ever happened.
greg fitzsimmons
Right, right, right.
joe rogan
You're the only one who knows.
Nothing ever happened.
greg fitzsimmons
Wait, so how does that work?
They usually say, I go to massage places that are like 39 bucks, 45 bucks.
brian redban
Those are the places usually.
greg fitzsimmons
Do those places offer the happy ending?
brian redban
Well, like I've said before, you can go to RubMaps.com to find out exactly which places to go to.
joe rogan
RubMaps.
brian redban
Rub, like R-U-B. Rub your dick.
joe rogan
Don't go to RugMaps.
brian redban
Yeah, RugMaps.
joe rogan
This is a confusing fucking website.
What is Brian Redband talking about?
greg fitzsimmons
Right.
brian redban
But most places do.
The big thing is that when you usually go to these $40 places, you're usually keeping your underwear on.
You're usually putting a towel over you.
You're not doing anything to make them think that you want anything different.
Okay.
So what you do is, the easiest thing is just to take off all your clothes.
That's the big thing.
Like, just take it all off, throw all your towels on the floor, you know, just let her put a towel on you if she wants to.
And then she'll start rubbing, you know, and then just kind of like, you know, move around a little.
greg fitzsimmons
No, I'm not looking to do it.
I'm just wondering how it works.
joe rogan
Listen, Brian is giving a seminar on how to get jerked off at a really seedy massage parlor.
brian redban
And just start rubbing her, you know.
greg fitzsimmons
And does she say it'll cost you this much?
brian redban
Usually it's just given.
You just tip.
If she's going to give you a handjob, that's like 40 bucks.
It's kind of like a law.
greg fitzsimmons
But what if you only gave her 10?
brian redban
Would she say something?
greg fitzsimmons
If you just gave her 10, would she say something?
brian redban
Maybe.
Some places will.
She probably would if she's an older person.
A lot of the older ladies, they've been around so long.
Their hands are the softest.
greg fitzsimmons
Oh, God!
joe rogan
He's doing material now.
brian redban
No, I'm not.
It's true.
They have the softest hands on the road.
It's like a little kid's hand.
joe rogan
They've been jerking guys off forever.
It's like climbing up a rope for a year of your life.
brian redban
But opposite.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's opposite?
unidentified
Yeah, because it's just skin and oils.
greg fitzsimmons
That's right.
There's oil on her hand every day.
She's rubbing it back and forth.
joe rogan
But it doesn't matter.
greg fitzsimmons
I never thought of that.
joe rogan
Your skin gets more brittle as you get old.
There's no way of getting around it.
You can't get around it with soaking it in oil.
They're going to have a leathery old softball mitt.
That's why you got to be a greasy leathery softball mitt jerking you off.
brian redban
It's like Tom Koss soup.
greg fitzsimmons
That's why you should have them use their feet.
joe rogan
Why is it that someone's breath, like someone with stinky breath, is one of the worst turn-offs in the history of the world?
greg fitzsimmons
Without a doubt.
joe rogan
If someone's talking to you and their breath stinks, even for having a conversation with someone, even non-sexual, but if you're attracted to a girl...
And you start talking to her and her breath stinks.
You're like, oh, God.
greg fitzsimmons
Game over.
joe rogan
What do you do?
Do you tell her?
Do you try to be polite?
greg fitzsimmons
That's funny you say that because I had a really good friend for a lot of years and she was cute.
You know, she was like a solid seven and a half to eight.
joe rogan
But she had shit breath?
greg fitzsimmons
Shit breath.
Great personality.
Fucking single, no dates, and her breath stank.
And I didn't know...
I think I erred in not just anonymously sending her a note or an email.
joe rogan
You never told her?
greg fitzsimmons
I never said anything.
And, you know, a lot of times I think it's probably like tooth decay or something.
brian redban
Yeah, it's gingivitis.
I mean, if it smells like an antique bookstore, that usually means that you have some kind of gingivitis.
joe rogan
Well, it's a bit of like a rotting smell.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's really bad.
I had a root canal once.
I had an old filling.
I cracked my tooth, and then they filled it in.
But then somehow under the filling, it started to go bad.
So they had to drill in and give me a root canal.
And as he went through the tooth, It popped into the abscess and it made this horrible smell.
It was so nasty, man.
Like I could smell like rot.
I go, eww.
I go, is that like the rotten tooth that smells like that?
He goes, yeah, that's what they smell like when you open them up.
I go, that's nasty.
greg fitzsimmons
Whoa.
joe rogan
Yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
And that shit's just living in your gums.
joe rogan
Inside my tooth.
Like it had a drill through my tooth.
I had cracked underneath.
I have some cracks on my teeth from lifting weights.
greg fitzsimmons
From gritting your teeth?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
I went to the doctor once, the dentist, and he was like, do you grind your teeth at night when you sleep?
Were you in a car accident?
Your teeth are all cracked.
And then I go, no.
He goes, do you lift weights?
And I go, yeah.
He goes, okay.
You've got to get a mouthpiece or something.
Look what you're doing to your teeth.
And he shows me this microscopic view of my teeth.
They're all cracked, all over the top of them.
And so apparently one of the filters had gotten loose or something, and some Dude, this tooth right here got knocked out when I was about 15 years old?
greg fitzsimmons
And they did a root canal and put this cap on?
Fucking 31 years later, no problem.
Strong as it ever was.
joe rogan
Wow.
greg fitzsimmons
And it's a bottom tooth, so you don't really see it.
joe rogan
Mike Goldberg, the guy I do the UFC with, he's got his front teeth.
They had to actually drill posts.
I think he got them knocked out playing hockey.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, mine has a post.
joe rogan
That's right, yeah.
But his was like he had one that was clip-on with a magnet for a while when they were in the middle of doing it.
Have you seen those?
greg fitzsimmons
Really?
unidentified
Really.
joe rogan
Yeah, man.
unidentified
He'd slide it on.
joe rogan
That's cool.
It would clip on with a magnet.
You're like, what the hell?
He had a piece of metal in his fucking jaw just screwed in there, like the base for this.
And it has to sit there for a while, right?
Is that what the deal is?
It has to grow into your bone?
brian redban
Yeah, it actually has to mend it with your bone.
It's a titanium rod.
greg fitzsimmons
No, I'm telling you.
They put a post on this.
It has no wiggle whatsoever after all these years.
joe rogan
They can make you some badass teeth.
That's nice.
It's the saddest thing in the world when people have no fucking teeth.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, and it's expensive, too.
And then if you get a bad job done, then you get coffee stains on it, or if you smoke, and it's a different color.
joe rogan
I had a friend who was a pool player.
His name was Mount Vernon Tommy.
He was one of the best pool players around White Plains, New York.
Would gamble, spend all of his money.
He worked as a dispatch guy for a taxi cab company, and he worked insane hours.
20 hours a day, 16 days in a row, and build up a pile of cash, and then come in and play pool.
greg fitzsimmons
Oh, shit.
joe rogan
Well, I'm trying to put together a bankroll so I can get some action.
He didn't have a tooth in his mouth.
And this poor guy, he used to, like, occasionally, got me a filet mignon.
I go, how do you eat your steak?
And he goes, well...
Yeah, it's kind of a problem.
I can't chew it up, so what I do is I just put it in a blender, blend it all up nice, and then I just eat it like that.
greg fitzsimmons
No shit!
joe rogan
He literally couldn't chew anything.
He had zero teeth.
He had no teeth.
greg fitzsimmons
What happened to his teeth?
Just disease?
joe rogan
Could be anything.
It could be fights, I'm sure.
Lost some in fights.
Bad dental hygiene.
You know, there was a time where people just weren't brushing their fucking teeth all the time.
Some people, you know.
And this guy was, you know, part of that.
He just had terrible teeth hygiene.
Lost all his teeth.
greg fitzsimmons
How often do you floss?
joe rogan
I never floss.
greg fitzsimmons
You never floss?
joe rogan
Never floss.
I brush the shit out of my teeth, but I don't floss.
greg fitzsimmons
I floss like once a week.
joe rogan
Do you?
Once a week?
unidentified
It's good.
greg fitzsimmons
If I have a steak dinner, if I feel like I got a couple spaces between my molars, and every meat meal I got a nice fucking chunk.
And I'll try to suck it out, sometimes for 35 minutes.
You know, just going after it, sucking, sucking.
And then when it comes out, it's like so tender, you know, it's like been completely tenderized in your molars and then you chew it with your front teeth and it's delicious.
joe rogan
I was watching this special, or it was a television show on these bear hunters.
They were going hunting grizzly bears.
It's a very strange thing to watch because part of you is like, man, I don't know.
You're not even going to eat that.
You're shooting this animal for its pelt.
This is fucking crazy.
And then the other part, when you see the actual animal dead, and you look at its jaw, you open its mouth, and you see these...
Fucking massive teeth with this enormous head.
It just really puts into perspective how weird teeth are.
We have these flat, stupid, shitty ones that crack real easy.
This motherfucker is something that can eat trees.
These are giant swords embedded in his brain.
These huge fucking slicing swords that are attached to his face.
greg fitzsimmons
With a jaw that could crush a fucking anvil.
They're just incredibly powerful.
joe rogan
Meanwhile, I'm kind of on the bear side.
That's what's fucked up.
I'm watching this.
I'm like, I don't...
Man, unless you have to manage a population like you're having a problem...
With them, like, killing people's animals or going after people.
Like, you're going to a place where there's no people and you're fucking up these bears.
Right.
It's like a weird...
If you're eating it, I get it.
I get it.
If you want to eat, like, black bear, people eat black bear.
But I don't think people really eat grizzly bears.
I think they only shoot them for their pelts.
I think they probably taste like shit.
We should find out.
greg fitzsimmons
It's like a miracle, man.
A beast like that or a lion, when you see them, it's just like it's nature expressing itself in the coolest fucking way.
joe rogan
But still, terrifying.
There's a story.
About these Japanese soldiers that had entered these mangrove swamps.
And I'm not sure where it happened.
I put it on my Twitter two days ago.
It's a terrifying fucking story.
A thousand soldiers went to these swamps and 20 got out.
greg fitzsimmons
What?
joe rogan
They were all eaten by crocodiles.
And there had no...
There's nothing to do, but just keep going.
And so, all around them, they're hearing thrashing, where a crocodile will grab a guy, and then you hear screams that eventually go underwater, where the croc is flipping them and rolling them, and it's pitch black.
So it's pitch black, and these guys are walking through crocodile-infested swamps.
greg fitzsimmons
A thousand swamps?
joe rogan
A thousand men went in, 20 got out.
greg fitzsimmons
How long ago?
joe rogan
The 1940s.
Let me find it.
Yeah.
You're gonna shit your pants.
It is a crazy fucking story.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, somebody should compile the ten events in life that most resemble what hell would be.
joe rogan
Yeah, here it is.
I should give the guy props who sent it to me.
A dude named Van Dave.
Van Dave sent it to me.
Death in the Swamps of Ramry is the article.
It's on my Twitter feed from 15 hours ago.
It was in Burma, the rolling jungles of Burma.
In World War II, these Japanese soldiers went into southern Burma, and between 900 and 1,000 Imperial infantry They retreated approximately ten miles through the mangrove swamps in an effort to sync up with a larger defensive force.
And this is a fucking...
I don't want to read you too much of this.
This is a fucking crazy story.
it says the scattered rifle shots in the pitch black swamp punctured by the screams of wounded men then crushed in the jaws of huge reptiles and the blurred worrying sound of spinning crocodiles made for a cacophony of hell that has rarely been duplicated on earth at dawn the vultures arrived to clean up what the crocodiles had left of about a thousand japanese soldiers that had entered the swamps of ramry only twenty were found alive
What a great way of describing that.
The scattered rifle shots.
Who wrote that?
Gary Mortenson.
unidentified
Good writer.
greg fitzsimmons
Is it an excerpt from a book?
joe rogan
No, it's just a historical account.
World War II history.
World War II history blog.
It's WorldWarII blog.
WorldWarII.com forward slash blog.
I love shit about World War II. Just Google Death in the Swamps of Ramry.
It's actually by Steve Turgesson.
That's the gentleman who wrote it.
Steve Turgesson.
But in the bottom it says written by Gary Mortensen.
And then, okay, that last thing that I said, the scattered rifle shots, that's even written by a different guy.
British naturalist Bruce Wright, attached to a Royal Marine Division, made the following notes of what he witnessed.
Ooh, that was an eyewitness account.
Oh my god.
That's amazing.
greg fitzsimmons
What a great depression.
Imagine your life if you're one of the 20 that survived, the survivor guilt that you would have, the terror.
joe rogan
Yeah, terror.
greg fitzsimmons
I mean, the terror that your nervous system to be going to a heightened state of everything that was just described for probably an hour.
joe rogan
Oh, more than that, man.
Didn't they talk about 10?
How many miles did they say it was?
greg fitzsimmons
Two miles, I think.
joe rogan
Ten.
greg fitzsimmons
Ten miles.
joe rogan
Ten miles through the mangrove swamps.
So how fast do you walk?
greg fitzsimmons
Through mangroves?
joe rogan
Yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
Three miles an hour if you're lucky?
joe rogan
That's like...
greg fitzsimmons
So three hours?
joe rogan
Do you even walk three miles an hour through swamps?
greg fitzsimmons
Probably less.
joe rogan
Probably less.
Jesus Christ.
unidentified
Fuck.
joe rogan
Dude, I'm shitting my pants right now.
Just thinking about that.
greg fitzsimmons
Not to mention Burma, Burmese pythons.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
Did you hear about that python that got loose in Montreal?
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Was it Montreal?
Is that where it was?
Yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
Killed, like, three boys or something?
joe rogan
Yeah.
No, it wasn't in Montreal.
Somewhere in Canada.
Went through a ceiling and killed these boys.
Got out of, like, this reptile shop.
19-foot fucking python.
greg fitzsimmons
Damn.
joe rogan
Jesus.
I mean, they said it's big enough to swallow an antelope hole.
And you've got this thing just laying around?
Think about how big that is.
You can swallow an antelope hole.
It's like my waist.
It's my waist and a snake.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
What the fuck, man?
greg fitzsimmons
That's incredible.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Those things, you should have to have really special precautionary...
Like, fail-safe sort of ways to keep something like that contained.
If you're gonna keep something like that alive...
greg fitzsimmons
You might have to put a fucking muzzle on it, unless they're feeding.
joe rogan
But even then, how do I know if that muzzle's gonna stick?
What if the thing figures out how to get the muzzle off?
greg fitzsimmons
Right.
joe rogan
You know, you got a donkey-eating monster on your hand.
greg fitzsimmons
Right.
joe rogan
Just wandering around.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
And it needs to eat.
They have a real problem with those fucking things in Florida.
They're offering all sorts of rewards.
In the Everglades.
Yeah, they had a thing recently where they offered rewards on people bringing them back.
I'm like, fuck, nobody was catching them.
greg fitzsimmons
Nobody was catching them.
No, I read about that.
joe rogan
And they're like, this is a real problem.
We know they're there.
greg fitzsimmons
And those are...
What kind of snakes are those?
joe rogan
Oh, those are pythons.
greg fitzsimmons
Are they pythons?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Florida's so fucked up.
They found Nile crocodiles in Florida now.
And there's only one way for them to get there.
Someone had to let them go.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
So they don't think there's a breeding population of them yet, but there's a shoot-to-kill order on Nile crocodiles.
Like, if you see them, you have to fucking kill them, like, right away.
Because they're aggressive and they get to be 28 fucking feet long.
Like, you gotta kill those things.
These are not, like, the American crocodiles that exist now.
unidentified
Hmm.
joe rogan
American crocodiles are much smaller.
Very aggressive.
Much more aggressive than alligators, but much smaller.
But these Nile crocodiles?
Holy fuck.
They're wildebeest eaters.
greg fitzsimmons
And they're really aggressive.
joe rogan
Really aggressive.
greg fitzsimmons
Alligators, I mean, I've been around alligators a lot because we used to have a house down in Florida and it had a pond across the street that had alligators in it.
So we were very aware and we saw them a lot and we saw the way they moved.
And they'd check you out But they'd ultimately swim away or not move.
Crocodiles, they're going to come up and go after you.
joe rogan
Yeah, they see you and they'll lock on to you and come after you.
greg fitzsimmons
Right.
joe rogan
Fuck lizards, man.
unidentified
I know.
joe rogan
Fuck all those creepy reptiles.
People that think they're cute, I see monsters.
That's all I see.
I see heartless monsters that don't give a fuck about you or anybody.
greg fitzsimmons
You can own that thing for 20 fucking years.
It's never going to give a shit.
It's a cold-blooded...
joe rogan
Yeah.
But they're beautiful.
I see that.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
They're fascinating.
I see that.
They're absolutely fascinating.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
All the reptiles.
To me, when I look at them, even chickens.
You know, I have chickens.
Even chickens.
I see my chickens.
I see something that existed just millions of years ago.
Some weird life form.
We just think it's normal because we get eggs from them and they go...
We've all seen chickens.
We've all seen it.
It seems normal.
That's not normal at all.
What the fuck is that thing?
Some weird bird that can barely fly.
It can only get three or four feet above the ground and then it falls down.
And it's all plump and weird with dinosaur feet.
They're monsters, man.
greg fitzsimmons
Creepy little monsters.
And they just live from fear.
They just run from shit and peck.
joe rogan
Yeah, pack at everything.
Just clean up.
They just clean up everything that's around them.
greg fitzsimmons
And we just see them as food on legs.
It's just pure food.
You eat almost the entire fucking thing.
joe rogan
Yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
It's the most efficient food source among animals.
joe rogan
Well, what's efficient about chickens is that they make eggs.
And you eat the eggs every morning.
greg fitzsimmons
Do you do that?
joe rogan
Yeah, every morning.
greg fitzsimmons
How fresh are they?
joe rogan
They're incredible.
They're delicious.
Because we feed them vegetables, too.
Like, leftover vegetables, we feed them to the chickens, too.
But they're omnivores.
They eat worms.
We feed them worms sometimes.
greg fitzsimmons
Right.
joe rogan
But what people, what I didn't know, I laugh at this because I've talked about this on the podcast, people think what a fucking idiot I am that I didn't know this.
But I really didn't know until like, I don't know, a little more than a year ago maybe, that a chicken doesn't make a baby with those eggs.
That I thought, I didn't know they made an egg every day, no matter what.
I thought they only made eggs if they fuck.
They make an egg every day.
And there's no rooster.
So none of these eggs are fertilized.
So they're just food.
So they're just food machines.
They make protein.
And it doesn't hurt them at all.
Nobody gets hurt.
It's a natural process.
They do it every day.
And it's one of the best ways to acquire...
It's completely karma-free.
No one's getting hurt.
These eggs are just a natural process.
greg fitzsimmons
As long as they don't stack them in fucking cages.
It's disgusting when you see these corporate chicken farms.
joe rogan
But you can do it in your yard, is what I'm saying, and it'll give you food every day.
I ran into a friend of mine when I was there, a dude, well I shouldn't say friend, a dude that I know from jujitsu, and we were talking about, he's got a rooster, and they have eggs too, but their eggs can actually- Roosters lay eggs?
No, no, no.
They have eggs.
He has a rooster and he has two chickens.
greg fitzsimmons
Right.
joe rogan
But his chickens, he's got a whole ecosystem going on.
His chickens can make chickens.
He's got the full setup.
So with his eggs, if the rooster fucks the hens, those eggs can become chicks.
So that gets real weird.
And it's like, wow.
And it's abortion.
Well, there's balut.
That's what the Philippines eat.
The Filipinos eat.
It's like a duck embryo.
And you boil a duck embryo.
We served it on Fear Factor.
They love it.
greg fitzsimmons
So they cook it in the egg?
joe rogan
Yes.
greg fitzsimmons
And then they open it and eat the embryo.
joe rogan
Yeah, it was funny.
We served it to people on Fear Factor.
I know a lot of Filipino dudes from pool.
A lot of high-end pool players, some of the best in the world, are Filipino.
And they love Balut.
They're like, oh, give it to me, man.
I'll eat that shit.
They love Balut.
Balut's a delicacy.
Did you try it?
I don't need to eat a baby.
greg fitzsimmons
My friend Ross Broccoli, who's this comedian.
joe rogan
That's a great name.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
He's just really...
Look this up if you can.
joe rogan
He should get together with Carrot Top and make a salad show.
unidentified
Is there another vegetable guy?
Uh...
greg fitzsimmons
Well, they accidentally, at the Faneuil Hall Comedy Connection, a black woman called the club, and she said, who on the show tonight?
She was from the 1800s.
And they said, well, it's Anthony Clark, Jackie Flynn, and Greg Fitzsimmons.
And the lady goes, is Grapefruit Simmons the headliner?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's a great name!
greg fitzsimmons
And they call me Grapefruit Simmons to this day.
All the comics in Boston call me Grapefruit Simmons.
joe rogan
Dude, Grapefruit Simmons.
greg fitzsimmons
I should have changed my name, right?
joe rogan
Why not?
That's a great name.
Like Emo Phillips.
I know that's not his real name.
Doesn't offend me.
greg fitzsimmons
Right.
joe rogan
Carrot Top, that's not his real name either.
Grapefruit Simmons.
greg fitzsimmons
Right.
But look up Ross Broccoli and Chicken Truck.
joe rogan
Maybe you could go out from here on out as Grape Simmons, Grapefruit Simmons, the artist formerly known as Greg Fitzsimmons.
greg fitzsimmons
I need something for people to talk about.
That's the kind of shit that's brilliant marketing, if you're into that kind of thing.
joe rogan
Right.
greg fitzsimmons
Just change your name every 15 years.
joe rogan
Right.
greg fitzsimmons
And have people, you know, I have to get the Twitter account, change everything.
Grapefruit Simmons.
joe rogan
Well, that's one of the ways that Madonna sort of stayed relevant all these years, is constantly changing.
She changed what she looked like.
She changed her hairstyle.
She changed her singing style.
greg fitzsimmons
But always in intervals that allowed the public to adjust.
David Bowie did the same thing.
joe rogan
Yeah, you're right.
David Bowie did a lot of that.
He did some weird shit, man.
One time on the podcast, we played Dancing in the Street, him and Mick Jagger.
We had forgot how insane that video is.
It might be the weirdest rock and roll video of all time.
Because it's Mick Jagger and David Bowie, and they are dancing together in one of the most peculiar ways I've ever seen two men dance together.
Even rock stars that are singing songs together, and they're like, Lean in together and use one mic, you know, so they're like going face to face and singing each other's eyes.
That's not as gay as Mick Jagger and David Bowie dancing and looking at each other and like wiggling back and forth and like hopping up on like light-footed on one foot to one foot in like this weird display of maneuverability and light-footedness.
It's a very strange way of...
See, just play the video of them dancing.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's one of the weirdest displays.
greg fitzsimmons
No, it was like Iggy Pop and Bowie and Jagger.
I mean, that whole gay thing, it was probably what, in like the early 80s?
No, earlier than that.
joe rogan
Maybe 70s, I think.
I think there was a lot of guys that experimented.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
It was really accepted.
Yeah.
I think those artists, too.
There was a lot of artists that wanted to open themselves up.
They wanted to find out, what are the boundaries?
What's holding me back creatively?
Everyone's partying.
It's almost like showing an open-mindedness by trying to have sex.
There's Jagger.
greg fitzsimmons
Oh, in those 80s clothes.
Yeah.
joe rogan
Those weird...
greg fitzsimmons
With the cuffs, a jacket with the cuffs pulled up the forearm halfway?
joe rogan
Play some more of that.
Play some more of that.
greg fitzsimmons
That's wild.
joe rogan
There was a weirdness to it.
The way they were dancing around.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Look at them.
unidentified
Look at that.
joe rogan
I mean, look.
David Bowie's got this weird jacket on like he's a lab assistant.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And Mick Jagger's got, like, high-waisted pants.
greg fitzsimmons
A mullet.
joe rogan
And they're staring at each other's eyes, singing, and they're...
greg fitzsimmons
Oh, he's grabbing his...
Holy shit!
joe rogan
Yeah, it's incredibly gay.
greg fitzsimmons
Whoa!
joe rogan
Now they're butt-to-butt singing.
Every guy grab a girl.
Everywhere around the world.
I mean, nothing wrong with that.
But what my point is is that it's very unusual behavior.
Not even that it's gay.
Because if it was gay, like openly gay, it would almost be less weird.
If there was like two guys and they had their hands on each other's hips...
And they were singing and kissing each other.
I'd go, oh, oh, I see.
That's how gay guys are.
They're gay.
They're attracted to each other.
So they're making out.
That's gay guys making out.
That's normal.
That's not normal.
What is that thing?
That weird mating dance they're doing?
greg fitzsimmons
I think it's like they both got to the point where they had...
They've fucked so many models and done so many three ways that the sexual energy is just pouring out and they're just, like you said, it's like a mating dad.
They're strutting it out.
It's not really about fucking each other.
It's about both of them celebrating their raw sexuality.
joe rogan
Yeah, well, it's weird is what it is.
It's weird sort of movement.
It doesn't even seem sexual because it doesn't represent any...
Like, when you see a woman dancing and a woman who's real sexy, one of the things that you're seeing is when a woman's dancing, you're seeing how she would fuck.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like you're seeing a sensual sort of an appeal.
When a woman is like gyrating, it's very attractive.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
Because what you're seeing, you're thinking of movement, you're thinking of making love, and you're thinking of like bodies touching and how good it would feel if she moved like that while she was touching you and what a turn on it would be.
Just a blow-away turnout.
That's sexy, right?
But this is weird.
This is not sexual.
Like, it's not gay.
I mean, I'm calling it gay because it's just odd.
It's more queer than gay.
But it's not gay.
Because if it was gay, they'd be like thrusting and grabbing cocks and looking at each other and holding each other and pulling clothes.
But it's just weird.
It's like they're bouncing around.
greg fitzsimmons
It's almost like...
Boy George, who we knew was gay, so that added a sexuality to it, because in people's minds, gay and you're just thinking about sex.
And yet, he played it like a child entertainer.
He dressed like a clown, and there was nothing he did that was sexual in any way, but he danced like that.
Really fucking sensual.
joe rogan
Well, Boy George was actually a good dancer.
greg fitzsimmons
Fuck yeah, great singer.
joe rogan
He was a great singer.
That song, Do You Really Wanna Hurt Me?
That was a brilliant song.
I remember when that song came out, how many dudes I knew who were angry.
Watching that video.
unidentified
Really?
joe rogan
They got angry.
Like, you see this fucking guy?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Jesus Christ!
They would get mad.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because Boy George was in this, like, puffy, nondescript, sort of, like, non-body outlining sort of outfit.
This little puffy outfit.
And he's, like, gyrating and moving in slowly and singing.
greg fitzsimmons
Kind of has makeup on.
joe rogan
Yeah, he's got a lot of makeup on.
And he's singing, do you really want to hurt me?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Do you really want to make me cry?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
I mean, it's like, wow.
It's heavy.
It's heavy.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
And defining, you know?
Wake me up before you go-go.
I was just going to bring that up.
I remember I was working at Papageno's when this song became popular.
I was working at Papageno's in Newton, Massachusetts.
And I was a cook there.
I was making spaghetti and whatever the fuck they sold.
And there was a girl who worked there who was in love with this guy.
And she was describing this song, Wake Me Up Before You Go-Go.
And she was like...
He's so beautiful.
I can't even look at him.
He's so beautiful.
And the song is amazing.
And so, I went home that night, and I saw it on television, and I was like, that might be the gayest human that ever walked the face of the planet, and this girl can't even see it.
greg fitzsimmons
Right.
joe rogan
And she couldn't see it.
greg fitzsimmons
I think that damaged girls are attracted to clearly gay guys like that, because they're non-threatening.
They're friends.
joe rogan
Yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
I think that, you know, something that's that gay, you think of Liberace, and how many, like, frustrated Midwestern women would go see him in Vegas.
joe rogan
Right.
greg fitzsimmons
And actually feel something.
joe rogan
Well, he's the bridge between what a woman really would like a man to be and what a man really is.
You know, Bill Cosby said something really funny once.
He said, women don't want to hear what a man thinks.
Women want to hear what a woman thinks but in a deeper voice.
How brilliant is Bill Cosby?
That is such a brilliant line.
greg fitzsimmons
That's good.
joe rogan
That is a goddamn brilliant line.
greg fitzsimmons
Right.
joe rogan
But every now and then, you have a bridge, and the bridge is like a George Michael sort of a guy.
He's a beautiful man, but he's dancing around, and he's got perfect hair and earrings, two hoop earrings, and a shirt that says, Choose Life.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, right.
And a fake tan and an earring.
joe rogan
Yeah, you left me sleeping in my bed.
Should have been with you instead.
Wake me up.
greg fitzsimmons
Well, you remember a certain comedian that we know who was gay, who I don't think is out of the closet.
joe rogan
No.
greg fitzsimmons
And he used to sing.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah, yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
Wake me up.
joe rogan
No, don't, don't, don't.
You'll give him away.
greg fitzsimmons
I don't give a shit.
joe rogan
How dare you?
greg fitzsimmons
Wake me up before you go-go, cause I'm nothing but a fucking homo.
joe rogan
Yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
And this guy used to sing that closet.
And this is a guy who later on blasted other comics who did homophobic stuff.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Well, he was a little tortured.
greg fitzsimmons
Very tortured.
joe rogan
Yeah, meanwhile, that's another perfect example of someone who just came out of the closet.
Nobody would give a fuck.
People that like you would still like you.
Yeah, you're a comedian, man.
greg fitzsimmons
That's why you think about that guy, Jason Collins, the basketball player who came out, and people say, that's really brave.
And you've got to stop and go, why is it so brave?
Like, a comedian can come out, an actor can come out.
In any facet of life, if you're an accountant and somebody came out, people would adjust and deal with it.
But it's brave for a basketball player because athletes...
Tend to be jocks.
Ignorant, hateful.
Guys that don't like Gaga.
They say fags a lot.
You know, Kobe Bryant said that thing.
I think it's a bigger deal to come out in that environment than it is in others.
joe rogan
No doubt.
It's very courageous.
And there's also the locker room element.
There's the element of the fact that these guys get together in the locker room and they're naked together.
They're showering.
Would you...
It's not the same thing, but how much different would the dynamic of a locker room change if a woman came in and she was attractive and she was showering and she was showering with men naked?
It would completely change the dynamic of the locker room.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
Well, a gay guy.
Who is in a locker and seeing all these yummy dicks.
And seeing all these dudes soaping up their cocks.
For him, him being there would really change the dynamic of the locker room if he wasn't professional.
And of course he would be professional, I understand.
But most men would be professional too if they were hanging around a woman they want to fuck.
And I'm not playing devil's advocate here.
greg fitzsimmons
So the fear is, oh he's going to jerk off thinking about my dick.
joe rogan
The fear is that he's going to fuck you while you're taking a shower.
That's the real fear.
No one thinks it's real.
No one thinks it's going to happen.
greg fitzsimmons
There's press outside.
It's a billion dollar arena.
They've got their own stalls.
But somehow he's going to just see your ass.
joe rogan
Soaping your ass up.
greg fitzsimmons
Like prison.
He's going to fucking hold you.
It's so amazing that that's the fear.
Because my whole thing is, if he jerks off thinking about you, you'll never know.
joe rogan
Unless he tells you, and then he makes it super uncomfortable.
It's just you and him, and you go back because you forgot your sneakers.
And you're like, hey, man.
Hey, man.
I just want to tell you, you know, I jerked off to you last night.
It's fucking amazing.
greg fitzsimmons
Have a good game.
joe rogan
We were together.
We were shaving.
Shave our bodies.
What?
Hey, man.
I don't want you showering behind me anymore, you fucking creep.
greg fitzsimmons
Well, they say, I don't want him.
He's going to be looking at my dick.
Here's a newsflash.
If you're in a shower with a bunch of other guys, they're all looking at your dick.
Like, I look at the dicks.
joe rogan
But it's a different thing.
unidentified
Why?
joe rogan
Because it's not yummy and delicious to you.
You look at a dick, and you're like, well, there's something I don't want to have anything to do with.
greg fitzsimmons
I just look at it because it's weird.
You never see them.
joe rogan
I don't need to see your dick, and I don't need to do anything with it.
Thanks, take care guys.
Yeah, I saw your dick, but no big deal.
Like, in jujitsu, there's the locker room, and in the locker room, everybody takes their clothes off and showers.
It's just normal.
greg fitzsimmons
But is it an open shower, or there's stalls?
joe rogan
There's a stall, but there's only one, so we all wait in line for it, and we hop out, you see someone's dick, they grab a towel, they wrap it up, whatever!
Nobody gives a shit.
You take your clothes off, put dry ones on, you gotta see your dick.
It's just a normal part of everyday life.
But if you were there and it was by, what's the word, co-ed, and there was women in there that was changing as well, and they were hot women, and they came out naked, that would be a weird dynamic if you're sexually attracted to them.
And I'm not saying that gay people would take advantage of you or they'd be weird to you, but what I do believe about gay men, unequivocally, without a doubt, is that they're men.
And men can be great, or they can be creepy as fuck.
Both options are on the table.
greg fitzsimmons
But don't you think he knows he's so under the microscope as the gay guy in the shower that he would be completely controlled?
joe rogan
What is this bit with Tommy Segura getting some guys grabbing his dick?
brian redban
Patrick Melton.
joe rogan
What is it?
Is it a sketch they did?
brian redban
Yeah, it's called Feeding the Rabbit.
joe rogan
What's it about?
How long does it last?
brian redban
It's two minutes.
joe rogan
Play it.
brian redban
Okay.
joe rogan
It's got, what's that reverb?
brian redban
That's my play music on...
joe rogan
It's still rebirbing.
brian redban
Yeah.
joe rogan
Okay.
unidentified
There's one meerkat nearby who doesn't have the luxury of group protection.
Tosca's very much on her own.
joe rogan
It's two guys sitting on a couch watching a nature show.
unidentified
She's been shunned by the rest for so long that it's likely she'll never be allowed to join her family again.
joe rogan
Time to feed the rabbit.
unidentified
Her solitude is final.
brian redban
Feeding the rabbit.
joe rogan
It's just time to feed the rabbit.
So he pops, puts the toes back in, and they both get up.
Tells Tom to take off his hat.
unidentified
They're looking at each other in the eyes.
greg fitzsimmons
Toe to toe.
brian redban
Tom looks like he's about to puke.
joe rogan
And this guy, this guy is like making, who's the other dude?
brian redban
Patrick Melton of Nobody Likes Onions.
joe rogan
He's making like these horrible faces.
unidentified
Carlos, this looks like an opportunity.
greg fitzsimmons
Like he's orgasmed.
joe rogan
Yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
Nodding his head menacingly.
Maniacal eye contact.
Deference.
Shame.
Understanding.
brian redban
Regret.
joe rogan
Tom's closing his eyes.
He's shaking his head no.
He doesn't like it.
unidentified
God, how long has this been?
Confusion.
joe rogan
Yeah, this is really a visual bit.
We're not doing this thing any justice.
unidentified
But the descriptions are hilarious.
joe rogan
So he's making this crazy...
And they're both grabbing their dicks.
They're grabbing each other's dicks.
And they're smushing them.
brian redban
I know.
joe rogan
Oh, they're grabbing the dicks with the underwear outside of the pants.
greg fitzsimmons
Toast re-pops.
joe rogan
And then when the toast pops up, they're done.
That's when they end it.
unidentified
It isn't just beautiful.
It means that rain has fallen.
joe rogan
And they're sitting down, they're not going to talk about it.
greg fitzsimmons
They don't get the test.
Who the fuck thinks of that?
joe rogan
That is an unbelievably weird sketch.
greg fitzsimmons
That's like, you know how that sketch started?
I want to grab this guy's dick.
I'm going to write a sketch.
joe rogan
They went for it though, man.
They took it deep.
And they didn't just take it deep.
They hung in there.
For a long time.
greg fitzsimmons
You know what's weirder than grabbing the dick is the eye contact from four inches away the whole time.
joe rogan
Yeah.
I guess, though, if you were gay, that'd be hot.
greg fitzsimmons
Right.
joe rogan
Yeah, a gay guy would watch that and he goes, what's so funny?
This is hot as fuck.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
These two bears jerking each other off when the toast pops up.
I love it.
greg fitzsimmons
Bears!
I know, bears.
brian redban
That's my second favorite sexual Tom Segura video.
My other one's the one with him and Bert Kreischer where they're shaving each other with no shirts on.
joe rogan
Yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
You know, I met Bert Kreischer for the first time in Montreal.
joe rogan
Oh, really?
greg fitzsimmons
You didn't know Bert?
unidentified
I don't know how.
greg fitzsimmons
We were both looking at each other like, how did we never fucking meet?
joe rogan
He's a great guy.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
joe rogan
He's fun, man.
He's a fun dude.
He's a different kind of guy.
He's like a great party starter host type guy.
He's a different kind of guy.
He's got his own little thing going on, Bert Kreischer.
greg fitzsimmons
Should I have him on my podcast?
joe rogan
Fuck yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
Bert, if you're out there, email me.
He's awesome.
joe rogan
He's awesome.
He's got some hilarious stories, too.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah.
brian redban
Did you see the video of him and Ralphie Mae on stage recently?
unidentified
Yeah, it made me sad.
joe rogan
It made me sad.
They both have their shirt off and they're singing songs.
unidentified
It's like...
joe rogan
Okay, boys.
You guys need a hug?
What's going on here?
brian redban
I just talked to Ralphie Mae the other day.
Still not smoking the weed or anything like that.
joe rogan
He's not?
He's not smoking weed?
brian redban
I don't think so.
unidentified
He was...
joe rogan
Are you sure?
You know who's back?
Brian Posehn, welcome back, bitch!
unidentified
Yes.
joe rogan
Welcome back.
greg fitzsimmons
Oh, that's right.
joe rogan
I had him on the podcast, and we caught him right when he was done.
He wasn't smoking any weed.
He was taking a big break.
He was trying to get his shit together.
I think, though, he's one of those dudes that, much like your friend MC Chris, he just went off the pot deep end.
greg fitzsimmons
Right.
joe rogan
Gotta catch your breath, refocus, shake it off.
greg fitzsimmons
Right.
joe rogan
Live a sober life for a while, and then slowly get back in with a more defined sense of parameters.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, especially when you have a young kid.
I think he's really into his kid, and I think it was probably affecting that on some level.
Even if it wasn't, you feel like it is.
joe rogan
Well, especially if you're using it as an escape, which sometimes guys do, especially in stressful situations where it's like maybe having a kid or worrying about your career.
There's people that will use it to, instead of dealing with their situation, they'll sort of hide behind the pot.
They'll start smoking pot all the time and avoid dealing with things they need to deal with.
That is a possibility, too.
greg fitzsimmons
So you can use pot actively or passively.
joe rogan
You know, you could fuck up with anything, man.
That's what I think.
I think it's Grapefruit Simmons.
unidentified
That's the cover.
greg fitzsimmons
I love it.
joe rogan
It's the cover of your next CD. That's fucking great.
Whoever made that, who made that?
Give them some prompts.
brian redban
Falling Ardor, maybe?
joe rogan
Falling Ardor.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, I've told that story before, and yeah, I've had a couple fans send me artwork.
joe rogan
Oh, that's funny.
greg fitzsimmons
I got one up on the wall in my office.
That's the one that's on the wall in my office.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's hilarious.
Oh, that's so funny.
That's a good one, too, because that looks like your face.
That's got sort of a...
That's really similar.
brian redban
Drawing at a fair.
joe rogan
That is really funny.
greg fitzsimmons
So, yeah, I need a new brand.
That's what I'm going to do.
I'm going to change it to Grapefruit Simmons.
joe rogan
How often are you doing your podcast?
You put it out every week?
greg fitzsimmons
Twice a week for four years now.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
How many episodes do you have?
greg fitzsimmons
400 or so.
But the back ones you have to get the premium membership for.
I think the first 20 are free, the most recent, and then the back ones are premium membership.
joe rogan
And you have your show on Sirius airs at what time?
greg fitzsimmons
At 7 o'clock on the West Coast on Howard 101 on Monday nights.
joe rogan
And that's been going on for a long fucking time.
unidentified
Six years?
joe rogan
Six years.
I think I was first on like five years ago.
greg fitzsimmons
You were like my first or second guest.
joe rogan
Really?
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, it was fucking great.
joe rogan
Oh wow, that's cool.
greg fitzsimmons
Yeah, and it was back when we hadn't hung out much.
We just hadn't been in each other's radar for a while and it was like this connection.
It was like, fuck man, that was like electric.
It was so good just focused talking for an hour.
joe rogan
Yeah, thank God for podcasts and radio shows and shit where people can just sit down and shoot the shit.
Like I was saying to someone on Twitter the other day, someone who was saying they liked the podcast, I was saying, I love doing it too because one of the benefits for me, besides knowing that people are enjoying it, is that I get to have these conversations.
Like, how often would we have the time to sit down for three hours and just shoot the shit?
greg fitzsimmons
No cell phone calls.
joe rogan
Nothing.
greg fitzsimmons
No checking.
Nobody here in this room has checked a fucking text since we started.
joe rogan
No, nothing.
And I think that makes for a good break, and it also makes for a deep, intense conversation that maybe you wouldn't have the time to do otherwise.
unidentified
Fuck yeah.
greg fitzsimmons
I mean, how many of your opinions...
Like, my opinions to me are...
That's who I am.
And the only way you're going to get ones that are legitimate are to go deeply into it with somebody, a couple people that you respect.
joe rogan
Yeah.
And just...
greg fitzsimmons
And challenge each other.
joe rogan
Fuck around.
See what's up.
Greg Fitz Show on Twitter.
Follow him, you dirty fucks.
That was three hours, dude.
greg fitzsimmons
That was fast as shit.
joe rogan
Blast.
It's 3.23 already.
greg fitzsimmons
It's crazy.
Don't forget Phoenix coming out there on the 15th and the 17th.
Stand Up Live.
joe rogan
One of the best clubs in the country.
And when is your special coming out?
greg fitzsimmons
August 18th on Comedy Central at midnight.
It is Life on Stage, my one-hour special.
joe rogan
I can't wait to see it.
I know it's going to be hilarious.
I saw that material in Seattle and San Francisco.
It was fucking hilarious.
greg fitzsimmons
Thanks, man.
joe rogan
Really, really funny shit.
greg fitzsimmons
I appreciate it.
joe rogan
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I got some other shit going on this week, folks.
I think we'll be back Friday late afternoon.
I will let you know soon.
And all those podcasts that you see on the TV show, people have been asking me, those are real podcasts.
They look like people that go to the fake podcast, hurt my soul.
They're actually real podcasts.
That's the only way we were willing to do it.
Duncan and I did real podcasts, and they will be released as podcasts eventually.
But until the show stops airing, it'll all just be recorded.
We got it, though.
Don't worry.
Alright, we'll see you guys soon.
Thanks for all the love.
Big kiss.
Big hug.
Big love.
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