Bryan Callen and Joe Rogan explore stand-up comedy’s raw authenticity, comparing it to scientific breakthroughs like gene doping (tested on whippets) and artificial blood cells. They dissect systemic power—from NSA surveillance to drug trade hypocrisy—highlighting Portugal’s decriminalization success while critiquing U.S. prohibition. MMA history reveals jiu-jitsu’s evolution, with Elio Gracie’s guard-based techniques proving smaller fighters could dominate giants like Ken Shamrock. The conversation ends with Rogan’s show Joe Rogan Questions Everything and Callen’s Canadian tour, underscoring how curiosity and resilience drive progress in art, science, and combat. [Automatically generated summary]
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When you're in Indonesia, please don't think that you're going to use, please don't think that off is going to work because those tropical bugs scoff at it.
They laugh at it.
So you had to carry a sulfur coil and burn it and that's what kept the mosquitoes away from you.
Because we would, you'd track in it in the middle of the, like, when it was still dark, and then you set up a hammock, because you don't want to sleep on the floor, because bugs will get you.
So you can set up a hammock, you lie in the hammock, you wait for the orangutan above you to wake up.
Now when you're, and then when the whole forest wakes up, it's louder than Grand Central Station.
You've never heard anything like it in my life, in your life.
The forest, the tropical rainforest, louder than, put me on the corner of 42nd and 5th Avenue, it's louder, and I'm not exaggerating at Is it mostly bugs?
Different crickets, different grass, whatever it is.
And when the whole forest wakes up, you're like, this is the craziest thing I've ever heard in my life.
I mean, monks, but birds are like, you're just like, are you kidding me?
And it's mostly the bugs.
It's mostly the different bugs that are doing weird things like rubbing their legs together or frogs, you know, that are, you know, and I just couldn't believe it.
You freaked me out when you told me about your first experiences there, back when you were thinking about being like a bug scientist, because you told me about the posts that they had on where you slept, and you had to cover them with turpentine.
They said, well, if you were to take all the space out of the atoms we're made of, so if you take all the space, so you took all the electrons, whatever that surrounds the nucleus, If you put it all together, you could take every human being that's ever lived, the actual mass that we're made of, and put it into a baseball.
So then it raises the question of what in the world is holding us together?
If you look closely enough, we are way more space And what seems to be creating solid matter is the relationship between energy fields.
There's no way that they, as they look closer, there's no way they can actually point to, like, what we're touching right now, like this wood.
It's really, it's just, it's so mind-blowing.
Like, what are you talking about?
Like, when he said that, he goes, you could take every human being that's ever lived, and if you put, if you actually took what they're really made of, the matter that the atoms are made of, you could put it into a baseball.
Yeah, I had a guy from JPL, this Dr. Richard Terrell, and he was talking to me about simulation theory.
Terrell?
Terrell.
I can't read this.
He was talking to me about simulation theory, and he was talking to me about the exponential growth of computers, that literally the amount of computations per second that the computers did, the largest computers, back when the Apollo moon landing program was going on, the amount of computations per second that they were capable of is the same as a key fob on a car.
It makes more computations per second than that giant computer.
I mean, it's not capable of the same thing, but as far as computations per second, your cell phone certainly is.
Your cell phone's capable of far more.
Far more than any computer back then did, which was the size of a room.
What we're talking about is one of the episodes of this new show that I'm doing, which premieres tomorrow on SyFy.
Joe Rogan questions everything.
One of the subjects is the subject of simulation theory, about how insane it is that you can one day, rest assured, without a doubt, 100%, that they will create An artificial reality that is indiscernible from the reality that you're experiencing right now.
There's not a goddamn doubt about it, not one millionth of one percent doubt that if human beings stay alive, if we don't blow ourselves up, get killed in a pandemic, or hit by an asteroid, if any of those things don't happen, then within X amount of years,
fill in the blanks, whether it's a hundred, a thousand, there's going to be a time where the computation power The ability to manipulate neurons is going to be at a level that you are going to be able to insert an artificial world into someone's mind.
And then you're not going to be able to know whether or not you're in that mind or whether you're in the real world.
Are you in an artificial world or are you in the real world?
But here's where it gets really freaky.
What if you're in the artificial world and inside that artificial world you create an artificial world?
That's where things get fractal, which is essentially the nature of the entire universe itself.
When you boil things down, when you get really small, things get really big.
And when you're talking about all the air that's inside of an atom, all the space that's inside the atom, well, that sounds a whole lot like the whole universe, doesn't it?
When you look at galaxies and you look at them and they look like stars because they're so small and so far away, but you see how far there is between them and the next galaxy, and then you realize that that little small dot you're looking at is actually probably three or four hundred billion stars, including a supermassive black hole in the center of it that's one half Of 1% of the mass of the entire galaxy.
Whether it's this cell, a red blood cell, or skin cell, or...
We are all...
It's all essentially...
Many universes, they all mirror each other on smaller levels.
So you got the whole universe, and then if you look at a cell, you actually get into the minutiae of a cell and really look at everything that's going on.
It's every bit as complicated as everything around us.
It's just a mini version of that.
So we are reflections, different levels of reflections of the exact same thing, just on smaller or larger scales.
Which is why the concept of creating a simulation and then inside that simulation, creating a simulation is so fucking nuts.
It's like the real problem comes when what you can simulate is exactly the same as what you can experience outside of the simulation, then which one is which?
The idea that we live in a cave and reality for most of us is simply reflections on the wall.
That's exactly what this hologram guy was saying.
So Plato's allegory of the cave is that we are all in the dark and what we think is real is actually just a...
on a cave wall and where you have to get out of that you have to climb up and follow the light and then come back and tell people about it.
But that's the allegory of the cave which is everything is basically forms.
There is the notion that you can – you may not know – like the idea is that you may not be able to draw a perfect triangle.
It would always be off a little bit, even if you had all the instruments.
But you can imagine a perfect triangle.
You can imagine it.
And so the idea is that...
Another great example is...
This blew my fucking mind.
You have a mathematician.
He's 175 years ago, comes out of a dark room and says, I just came up with a mathematical equation.
By the way, it's 300 pages long.
It has zero relevance to the material world.
And oh, by the way, I'm going to die now.
See ya!
Dies.
And here's this equation that's sitting there.
175 years later, some guy is measuring the difference between, like, the relationship between quarks and how it relates to this and how it relates to...
And they're trying to make a gyroscope at NASA or something, or some kind of a telescope.
And they go, hey, guess what?
This guy, this mathematician 175 years ago who came up with this mathematical equation, what we're working on right now, that mathematical equation is very relevant to this physical reality.
So this guy has a dream, comes up with a mathematical equation that 175 years later bears physical reality that we're using in our cell phone or we're using in a telescope or whatever it is.
It takes on a physical reality.
So, whatever this guy imagined 175 years ago in his mind, for whatever reason, was put there, and is used 175 years later for something very physical in the physical world.
It's weird, man.
And he's like, why was it, why, what happened?
Why did that guy think of that?
He was able to imagine a reality that had no bearing on the world today, and 175 years later it did.
That's where I get really kind of...
I'm doing a shitty job of explaining all this stuff.
What you're basically saying is that someone had an insight into the way things work that no one else had achieved before, and he was so far ahead that no one could figure it out until 175 years later somebody revisited it.
It was actually a physical, measurable reality that he proved on paper, mathematically...
Somebody's measuring the inside of a conch shell and how it relates to a beehive's spires or whatever and all of a sudden goes, this mathematical equation is proving my theory.
It's measuring what I'm using for this particular physical reality.
But when you talk to a guy that's done heroin as much as Joey has and done coke as much as Joey has and he has these great stories about it and the harrowing, harrowing feelings of addiction that he can relay to you without you ever actually having to do them.
It's so important.
And it's also important to have mathematicians.
Because I'm not fucking...
You give me that big pile of paper, you might as well have given that to a chimp.
It's so important to have a broad spectrum of people.
It's very important.
I mean, you and I are not going to build a good house.
If we don't have an architect, if we don't have a carpenter, we're gonna do a shit job.
We're gonna make a tent.
We're gonna make some shitty lean-to and we're just gonna have to deal with that until we dig up some books that some smart people figured out on how to make a house.
But it goes back to what I was saying about the allegory of the cave.
You may not be able to achieve perfection, but you can imagine perfection.
You may not be able to achieve that theorem, but that theorem can still inspire something else in you.
And that in itself is where we are connected.
That in itself is why other people have tremendous value if you open yourself up to those kind of people.
I always say that it's very important for young people, I always talk about this, And we don't live in a world that fosters this.
We live in a world that's very much about you, your appetites, how does this affect me specifically?
It's very important, I think, to expose yourself to things that force you to reach beyond yourself.
That's where somebody who does something that has nothing to do with you but learning about it or at least being inspired by how difficult it might be.
It could be opera.
It could be some great piece of art that you don't understand.
That's not a bad thing to get involved in or at least read about because not only does it force you kind of to go beyond your own experience… But I think you never know how it's going to inspire you.
You don't know what it's going to spark inside of you.
For me, I derive a great deal of inspiration from just being awed by that which I don't understand.
There's nothing wrong with doing a little bit of cover band action, like a few cover songs, but that's a real trap for young bands that want to perform in bars and make a living.
Because people don't want to hear your fucking original songs for the most part.
Especially as background music where they're trying to get laid.
We can all name a few people that can't do one of those things.
We all know a few guys that are really successful that have made a career out of ripping off other people's ideas because of the fact they can't do both.
Sure, but there's also, when you are trying to get really good at something, a lot of times you have somebody who's older who can help you navigate through the plateaus, help you get familiar with it.
That's why, just put your attention on something.
I don't give a shit what it is taking action, because there's always a lesson there.
It's almost like...
The thing in and of itself is less important than what you learn by trying to get good at it in a way.
Well, it's also because these things like breakups and these devastating events that can happen to a person, they don't get treated with the proper respect by the people that are raising you.
They get treated like, oh, someone broke your heart, you're going to be fine.
It's not that simple, okay?
What you're dealing with is an incredible shift in the emotional state.
And if this person does not know how to navigate that shift, they don't know how to get out of that situation, it can be a motherfucker.
Getting your ass kicked can do that to you, you know?
Being humiliated can do that to you?
You remember Carrie at the prom?
They pour the blood on her head and she just fucking goes crazy and people start flying through the walls and shit.
But that's real.
That feeling that you can get when people are angry at you or hate you.
That horrific feeling when you bomb.
How about that?
Some guys bomb and they literally want to go to the hotel room and slice their wrists.
I've seen three comics with great potential do really well their first time, do really well their second time, and obviously like stand-up, they get up and try to do the same thing with another crowd, and they die because it wasn't their friends.
They never do stand-up again.
And they have potential.
And they have great potential, but they never do it again, you know?
They make you wear this one fucking outfit, and they suppress the shit out of you, and psychologically, all you had to do was get this girl alone.
Any guy could get this girl alone, and that was a wrap.
It was over.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
She was crazy.
And I didn't really even find out how crazy she was until after we stopped dating, and then she would tell me stories.
We worked together, and she'd tell me stories about this new guy she was dating, and how she liked him to smack her, and he would beat her up, and she liked it.
She's like, I don't know what to do because I like it.
She was so crazy.
It completely lowered my expectations of loss.
I came home one day, and I didn't actually come home.
I was getting up in the morning because I had a paper route.
I delivered newspapers for a job for a long time.
Many, many, many, many, many years.
All throughout high school.
As soon as I could drive, that was one of my first jobs.
And while I was fighting, it was one of my jobs because I could make a couple hundred bucks a week.
All I had to do was get up in the morning by 5 a.m., deliver my newspaper route, and then I'd come back home and go right back to sleep again.
So I did that for a long-ass time.
And I would have to get up really early on Sunday morning.
Essentially, it would be Saturday night.
So Saturday night at 4 o'clock in the morning, that's when I would be up.
And outside my house is my friend and this girl, and he's fingering her in the front seat.
But you think of these seminal moments in your life, and I remember I was signed up for...
I went to boarding school because my family was still in Saudi Arabia, and I'm alone there, and I signed up for jogging because I was too afraid to sign up for wrestling because I had done judo before that.
I was like, oh, these guys are too tough.
So inside of a jogging, this kid Gary Lane had seen me put some kid in a headlock and he goes, hey, and he drags me over to the wrestling mat and I just signed up and next thing I know I was wrestling and I wonder what I'd be if I hadn't, you know, been a wrestler.
It changed my whole life.
But the idea of like when I would lose at something...
I remember like I would think back to my heroes in movies like Rocky or whatever and just the example of if you lose, keep trying and you'll win in the end.
It was always that feeling.
I think that in that sense that's where art or movies can play a big role in your life, man.
If that guy pulled his cock out and it was holding his knuckles up and going outside like karate chop hand forward towards you with his fat cock, he would be nervous.
If you broke into that guy's house and his cock was oiled up and he was knuckles up, just pulling it in your direction, you would drop your gum and jump out of a fucking window.
No, I heard somebody say one time, the difference between men and women is that women look really good static and men look really good when they're doing what they're good at.
So when there's movement, playing a guitar, kicking a soccer ball or Maybe.
It doesn't exist at 66. It exists at 30. There's 30-year-old guys that are built like that that have never touched hormones, never done anything.
There's guys that are in their 40s that look fantastic, that have never fucked with anything unhealthy in their life, never done a steroid, never supplemented their testosterone, never done anything but eat good and work hard.
Yeah, you're going to have a real problem with shit like the Olympics when a person like you can take a shot and then all of a sudden you have these artificial blood cells that are a million times more effective.
He said you're literally going to be able to hold your breath and jump in.
No, no, no.
Four hours.
Jump into the bottom of the pool and hold your breath for four hours on a single breath.
He talks about how they reverse-engineered the red blood cell of a dog, and they're doing that with a human red blood cell.
And now they're going to take a nanobot and they're going to copy it but make it more efficient at what that red blood cell does and then they'll shoot it into you.
It'll be a red blood cell nanobot and that'll oxygenate your blood.
They're probably not going to do it the way it's in that movie, but if you think about Wolverine the comic book, the whole idea was that he had these metal bones, this incredible metal structure, and then on top of that, he had skin and a body that would heal itself instantly.
If you cut him, it would just...
Seal up.
And you look at it like, oh, that'd be cool.
That's coming!
That's 100%.
It's on the horizon.
If we keep innovating, that is going to happen.
If you can hold your breath at the bottom of the ocean for four fucking hours on a single breath, they're going to be able to figure out a way to make your skin heal, not in a week, not in a year, not in six months, but in six seconds.
One of my most satisfying experiences, as far back as I can remember, is listening to you hackle at my jokes when I was doing stand-up, watching one of my best friends in the world.
There's nothing more satisfying I swear to God, I'm not just saying this.
I was thinking about that.
To be able to make somebody like you, not only a great comic, but such a close friend, I was killing you, and I could see you cackling and just loving the stuff that I wrote.
It's like, I did this, and one of my best, my brother's out there laughing his ass off.
What we were talking about before, about needing support...
About people, when they get through things, they need support, and it's also why you need to learn how to lose things.
You also need to be around other folks that are fun and warm and friendly, and that's big.
And people that you respect, and you look at them, and they make you want to get your shit together.
They make you want to get things done.
And if you can...
If you can accumulate as many of those people as you can in your life, the more you can do that, the more you can be one of those people, and the more you can accumulate those people, the more happy and more enjoyable this thing's going to be for you.
Listen, until you see him do, until you see him, and hold that thought, next time he's in LA, we'll hang out, and I just want you to, just so you know, your mind will be blown.
Oh, but the point I was making is that he said, I was just, now it's lost, but he was saying the most important thing is just surrounding yourself with people that support you.
I mean, everybody I know is successful always says that to one extent.
You've got to have people around you that help you go through this shit.
I don't care how successful you are.
You always go to periods where you're lonely, where it sucks, where you don't think you're self-doubt.
You've got to have your fucking friends.
How many times have I called you when you and I have real talks?
Did you see that crazy video, that MSNBC video, where this woman who is an anchor, she's an anchor person, starts like mocking Snowden and telling him to turn himself in?
And we're talking about how you praise countries like Russia and Venezuela for standing against human rights violations and refusing to compromise their principles.
Seriously, Ed, where do you even come up with that?
What are you thinking?
Now, I understand you don't want to come back.
I mean, to do so would mean giving up your freedom.
Definitely before trial and likely for several months or years thereafter.
It's in prisons in the U.S. that commit actual human rights violations.
We just talked about it.
More than 80,000 prisoners are held in solitary confinement, some for years, some indefinitely, despite the fact that solitary is cruel and psychological damaging.
I know those aren't the human rights violations, though, Ed, that you were complaining about, but you might have nothing to worry about anyway.
Because unlike most of the people in solitary confinement, including Private Bradley Manning on trial for giving data to WikiLinks, you've cultivated for yourself a level of celebrity.
And that celebrity itself may just act as the protection, another kind of cloak.
If you ever find yourself in a U.S. prison, you have made quite a spectacle of yourself, and the Obama administration will be very careful about how it treats you.
Unlike how states treat all those other prisoners.
So come on home, Ed.
Then, you know, we could talk about something else.
She's one of the worst persons at reading something on television than I've ever seen.
First of all, you can see that she's got some sort of a speech impediment that she's struggled with since she was young, which probably led her to have this Like, very strong desire for acceptance, which probably led her to think that it would be a good thing to, like, support the government against Snowden in that video.
I mean, I guess that's what she was saying.
I mean, it was really hard to figure out what she was saying, because although she was admitting that the government puts people in solitary confinement, she was also, like, saying, like, where do you get this stuff?
Like, talking about that Venezuela and Russia stands up for human rights violations.
And by the way, everybody, sorry to say by the way again, but remember that every dictatorship, every single oppressive government in history has always used national security as an excuse to take your freedoms away.
That's what happens when you get people that make money off a war.
And that's why there's supposed to be a bunch of laws in place to keep that from happening.
That's why Eisenhower got on television and warned about the dangers of the military-industrial complex when he was leaving office.
All of that exists because it's just like what corporations do to other countries.
If you're a good person, you wouldn't go to Venezuela and steal their oil and pollute their rivers.
You wouldn't do it.
You wouldn't do it because you would see the people cry and see people starve to death and see the fish die and you would go, wow, what I'm doing is fucked up.
But if you're some evil chemical company and the way to make money is to do that and you have stockholders and you have all these people that are putting pressure on you.
One of those leather chairs that has those those rivets those brass rivets like dug deep into it like in a million different places those puffy leather chairs where they always have like some brandy on a shelf you know with some glasses and a tub of ice that they clink clink as they're pouring a drink talk listen we have a bottom line and I'm not going to Ecuador are you going to Ecuador so fuck the river fuck that river let's get that money And they just somehow or another,
even if it's not the decision made in that sort of a fashion, an X amount of people, whether it's 4,000 or 400, how many people in that corporation decide to act as an evil unit and decide to do some fucked up shit to make that money?
If you look at how people are motivated to go to war, a lot of times they are motivated around symbols, around slogans, around different kinds of propaganda.
Yeah, so when you lump them all together without personal accountability, you're going to open up the potential for all this craziness, all the worst aspects of human beings when they don't have a direct action, reaction, input from the people that they're affecting.
Malcolm Gladwell did that amazing study about how the murder rate went up when they built...
They had the ghettos, and after they built those huge, huge projects, all of a sudden, you didn't live next to the guy.
The guy lived in a unit above you, and there was anonymity created.
So you could shoot somebody for their shoes because you didn't know them.
You didn't know somebody who was connected to them.
You didn't know the fabric that they came from.
It used to be in the Bronx.
When all those communities came up, they came up around a barter system, around an economic system that kind of happened organically.
When they put the Cross Bronx Expressway in there and they tore everything down and they said, you know what we're going to do?
We're going to plan the Bronx on a board.
And they planted on a board and they created these big projects.
Let's just put them all in these big buildings.
All of a sudden the murder rate went up.
And one of the theories is the fact that you suddenly now, because even if you were in a ghetto, you knew that kid's grandmother, you knew that kid's brother, everybody was connected.
You all knew each other.
The minute you put people in those buildings, now they're living in boxes and he's living on the fifth floor, you're living on the first floor, whatever, and you don't have an interaction.
The economic fabric of that community was destroyed.
So it became much easier to shoot somebody you didn't know.
Well, you know, and everybody's like, hey, listen, no one's doing anything to my freedom.
Just relax.
Stop getting crazy.
Instead of looking at it in any way that connects you to it personally, whether you're defending it or whether you're...
You're violently opposed to it.
Look at it as a trend, as a human trend, and then it becomes fascinating.
Because if you take yourself outside of it and you go, instead of going, we have to stop this corrupt government, just look at it, like step back and look at what's happening.
Now everybody has a fucking phone in their pocket that they carry around with them everywhere.
Eventually, it got so far away.
I was in Brazil, and I saw these people in this very poor neighborhood, and they all had phones.
They were on their phones.
They were talking on phones.
It's become so worldwide and world-spread.
Right now, information is freely accessible only to the people in the highest points of government.
Right now, it's only the people in the NSA, the people that have made these shady inside deals with internet providers and have gotten access to phone calls and records and text messages and shit.
It's only them.
But that's just a trend.
It's going to start with them, and then the technology is slowly but surely going to be available to everybody.
They've already figured out a way, they're on the preliminary stages where they can map, they can, I guess, they show you an image.
And then they look at your brain activity when you see that image.
And then when they show you the image again, The brain activity shows up in the same kind of pattern.
So you recognize something and they can tell.
So what the idea is is that if you robbed a bank or you were a criminal and you were in a certain place and they show you that place and they scan your brain When they tell you about the place and your brain registers a certain thing, they can show you a picture of it.
If your brain registers that image, the same kind of brain activity, they can tell whether you've actually seen it before.
It was this weird kind of idea.
So we're getting closer and closer.
But when you say zeros and ones, you're talking about money no longer being real.
This guy named James Rickards, who wrote a book called Currency Wars, did my podcast, The Pentagon.
Hired him to stage a currency war.
So simulate what someone like China could do to our currency system.
And because it's all computerized and it's all sort of ones and zeros, he basically was hired by the Pentagon to come up with a scenario whereby the Chinese could set up, say, ten fake hedge fund companies that end up You know, doing something to buying all this stock or buying just up a bunch of stuff and getting the market to crash.
It'd be a very difficult thing to do, but that was his job.
It was pretty fascinating with the idea where there is no real money.
You can really manipulate through computers sort of an entire segment of the economy and wreak havoc, theoretically.
And that's something the Pentagon hires people to try to do and simulate.
Well, if your money is based on a computer, I mean, if it's based on calculations, you can protect it.
You can put up firewalls and you can do...
But essentially, it's just as vulnerable as a computer is.
And that's what...
One of the things about the financial system that I found to be terrifying, when I found out that stocks can be traded by bots, and they can recognize trends and trade, like, second to second.
Like, do these split-second analysis of trends.
And constantly keep earning money that way by exploiting the system and understanding which way things are moving and buying and selling.
So you're just chipping away at the block every couple seconds, making a little bit here and a little bit there, but taking essentially very little risks.
And by doing that, they can figure out a way to just extract money through a bot and that this is legal and that this is how people use the stock market.
I shouldn't say Greek, but yeah, in a way, look, Greece is fucking bankrupt right now.
How crazy is it that at one point in time, the greatest culture on the planet Earth, the most knowledgeable and filled with scholars creating beautiful works of architecture and Stuff that people still read today, still inspired by today, some of the great Greek masters.
And then today, what's going on over there now?
Nothing.
The fucking whole thing's falling apart.
It's Detroit.
It's Detroit the country.
There's no money there.
It's a fucking wreck.
The whole thing's going bankrupt.
There's 80% unemployment rate or something crazy like that.
And I say that's the same thing that can happen with your freedoms.
I think that's the same thing if you're not careful, if you don't know, if you're not paying attention to who the real enemy is, or at least you don't make enough noise, or you're not paying attention to what's going on, that's the kind of stuff that can happen.
Well, it's also individuals, again, looking out for themselves, trying to extract money.
It's individuals exploiting a system, a shitty system, individuals exploiting it.
I mean, the whole housing market in this country, for the people that don't understand it, which is, by the way, everybody, by the way, by the way, Nobody understands it.
That's how it happened.
You can sort of be armchair quarterback, and you can sit back Monday morning and sort of second-guess the decisions that were made.
But the reality is, it sort of exposed that the whole thing is horseshit.
And the reason why it was horseshit was because the way it was set up, even though it didn't last...
Was a bunch of people who were able to extract insane amounts of money that made no sense.
There's a book called The Big Short by Michael Lewis, and he basically traces how this all happened.
And there was really two people, according to him in this book, and if I'm remembering, it might have been one.
There were really two people, one of whom has Asperger's syndrome.
He was in San Jose, California, had a lazy eye, and was a true Asperger's syndrome.
And basically...
Six years before this was looking at these mortgage-backed securities, these tranches, and actually breaking them down because he was obsessed with numbers and actually really knew how they worked, how derivatives and everything worked, and he was going, oh, wait a minute.
These houses and these algorithms aren't reflecting real value.
And this isn't making sense, yet they're bundling these mortgage-backed securities and selling them.
And I don't think people are going to be able to pay their mortgages because this isn't making sense.
And he was saying that six, seven years before that and figured it out.
And then there was another guy who was this dude who was a broker who I think hooked up with this guy and started looking at it.
And he was like...
This doesn't make any sense.
This whole system is going to collapse.
They were literally trying to build Noah's Ark.
It's a great book called The Big Short, and he really does a great job of actually showing the key players who really saw this thing coming and were jumping up and down.
Did you see Inside Job?
And they were ridiculed for it.
Yes, I did.
If you like Inside Job, read The Big Short because it's amazing.
I mean, InsideJob is really an apt name for it because not only was it a crazy fucked up system that people were exploiting, the people that were passing their judgment and saying what is acceptable, what's not acceptable, would eventually get hired by these big banking companies.
So what they would do is they would be professors at Harvard and they would be economics professors and they would analyze all these trends and they would like, well, our recommendation is that this is good and this is good as that.
And all they were doing was giving people the green light to extract money and And then they would go work for those people and get these insane fucking jobs.
Well, the SEC. Incredible money.
The SEC. And so they looked at the trend of people like going from, you know, like from Harvard to the SEC and the SEC to some insane job where they would get fucking gazillions of dollars a year.
And they go, oh, oh, they just everyone's corrupt.
The whole thing's corrupt.
And when this guy's confronting these people in that movie, Inside Job, and they're freaking out and reacting to him, it's pretty amazing.
It will make you want to throw a hammer through your fucking TV. The question it raises, though, is the incentive structure that was set up to blame, and how do you avoid...
Because smart people are going to take advantage of a system that's broken.
Well, one of the ways that smart people will talk about it is to say – You still have, this guy James Rickard, who's on my show, said, the problem with Too Big to Fail, the eight biggest banks in the country, are bigger than ever.
And what that means is that the U.S. government can't let them fail.
They can behave very irresponsibly.
I'm not saying they are right now, but they can if they wanted to behave very irresponsibly.
And if they screw up again, we have to bail them out because they are the central nervous system of our financial structure.
And what was my favorite part about it was when they were talking about the bonuses and that Obama was going to limit them to $500,000 because guys were still getting bonuses like millions and millions of dollars.
And they're like, well, they have to pay them because if they don't, these guys are going to go work for someone else.
And I remember thinking, like, where are they going to work?
They're going to work for who?
How much money?
How could you possibly get a bonus when your bank is folding?
If there's environmental issues that are coming up and they're being debated inside some closed door where people are making deals and those decisions that they're making could fuck us all up, that can't happen.
Well, not only that, but when someone is in the Supreme Court, theoretically at least, they have the responsibility to adhere to the letter of the law.
And anyone influencing that, anyone, That's right.
That's right.
When you have those kind of decisions being made, you go, oh, they got you.
Well I think that the responsibility for running this entire society cannot rest in secret hands anymore.
And I think the only way for society to progress the way the culture of human interaction has progressed since the internet, the only way for society to catch up is to take away power.
They have to relinquish power.
It has to be done.
That's the only way you're going to have a culture that is advancing commensurate with the amount of people that are advancing.
Because otherwise you're going to have a bunch of people that are trying to control and steal resources and hold on to influence and hold on to power.
And they're going to realize that there's fucking pounding at the gates everywhere.
And they're not going to open up the gates.
They're going to try to bolt them down more.
And they're trying to scare people away from the gates.
And that's what we're seeing now.
What we're seeing now with things like going after these whistleblowers as if they were the most evil people in the world.
Meanwhile, the government itself is responsible for thousands of people dying in drone attacks that were innocent.
That's thousands of murders.
And no one is getting in trouble for these accidental murders.
Accidental, of course, but murders still.
But yet, this Snowden guy is public enemy number one, and they're pulling down planes with the president of Austria in them.
They're diverting planes because they thought that he was going to Austria.
They land with this fucking guy, and they're like, let me check your plane.
And then he's like, what the fuck are you doing?
Because they thought that Snowden was on this cat's plane.
I mean, they're taking planes out of the sky, royal planes from other countries.
It's craziness.
And why is it?
Because this guy caught people doing shit that is illegal, immoral, and not wanted by any of the people that voted folks into power.
If you had a vote today, should the NSA be able to look at everyone's email and everyone's fucking cell phone records?
Imagine if there's only two government and then you're the only population.
There's two people in government and you're the population and they're telling you you can't smoke weed, we're going to lock you in a cage.
You would kill them.
You would say, okay, well I'm living with these people I'm going to have to kill because they're trying to stop me from doing a bunch of shit that doesn't have anything to do with them.
The idea only becomes reasonable when you're governing 300 million people.
Then it's okay to throw them in a cage if you catch them with a trunk full of heroin.
But if we were on an island together and it was just you and me and I caught you doing heroin, I'd be like, dude, what are you doing?
I wouldn't build a fucking bamboo cage and dig a hole and throw you in the bottom of it.
So the only way people knew about it is if you had DirecTV, which wasn't as popular back then as it is now.
I mean, we're talking about the 1990s, the early 90s.
And other than that, you would hear about it on the internet.
You would go on these forums with your shitty-ass modem, your 56k modem, like chunk-a-chunk, chunk-a-chunk.
As it would slowly move its way down the page until you could download the website.
And that's how I found out almost about all the events and different things that were going on.
Like the MixedMartialArts.com.
It used to be, I think it was SubmissionFighting.com and then it was MixedMartialArts.com and then it was MMA.TV and then it's MixedMartialArts.com and it became...
If you haven't paid attention to this, this is something we haven't talked about on the podcast in a long time, but Google Pacific Garbage Patch.
It's essentially like there's a tide, there's a current.
The way the oceans move, the way the currents move, it developed this sort of area where all the shit that's floating in the ocean coalesced and combined into this enormous soup of fucking rotting plastic.
Yeah, and in the sun and in the ocean, the salt water and the surf and everything like that, It slowly breaks down until it's like floating pellets of shit.
There are bacteria that we do use, I guess enzymes and bacteria that actually do that now, but whether or not it's biocompatible, those are the questions at the March of Science.
Well, there's been some thought about doing various things to clean up the ocean, and one of the things is actually introducing certain algaes.
And introducing iron, taking metal and creating metal structures and putting these metal structures in the bottom of the ocean that would attract various types of algae.
And that various types of algae, those would re-oxygenate through their use of whatever the fuck they need in the ocean and actually clean up some of the water.
In 19—it was 1820 when it was invented, I think, when the first time they actually—I think it was 1819, when the first time they actually had a 10-mile stretch of wire, and the guy was able to send a message.
And before that—think about this—before that, the guy before 18-whatever, 1815, he had to send a message the same exact way Alexander the Great did— Either on horseback, either on foot, or either by boat.
And when Morse Code came out, and Morse was a guy who was a really, really successful painter.
And he had nothing to do with electromagnetic fields or anything.
He was a really successful painter.
His wife, he gets a letter that his wife is very sick.
He loved his wife in Connecticut.
By the time he gets there, she's not only dead, she's been buried.
And he said, there's got to be a way I can get information faster because it killed him.
It was this tragedy.
Seven years later, he's on a boat.
He meets this electromagnetic engineer.
He starts talking to him.
He gets fascinated with the idea that maybe I can come up with a way to use electromagnetic fields to send a message.
About 10 years after that, he invented something called Morse code, this painter, because he was so heartbroken over his wife.
And the world has never been the same.
That was a bigger communication leap, actually, than the internet, because it was the first time we were able to send instantaneous messages.
And I think five years later, we finally had a wire from New York to New Orleans, which was so much faster, and you could get instantaneous communication.
The world was never the same.
And of course we built on that.
But the history is so full of individuals that were trying to solve a problem that seemed insurmountable.
And oftentimes it was because they basically, like Alexander Fleming, had a cold.
His snot fell into...
He had all these Petri dishes working on different spores and stuff.
And he decided to clean stuff out himself.
He never used to clean his own Petri dishes.
He had a cold.
His snot fell into one of the moldy dishes.
And he realized that the bacteria under the microscope, the mold had killed all the bacteria.
And he went, wait a minute.
That's how he invented a little something called penicillin, which then became antibiotics, which is why people are alive.
It's crazy.
So many of these things either happened through accident with individuals or people were trying to solve a problem.
So I was going to get these spots after everybody had ripped that place sideways, and there was 20 people left, and then I went on to this dead crowd with my shitty dry jokes.
I realized I went up there, I thought I could do the same jokes I've been doing for years with no passion and no energy and no excitement to them.
And I felt it while other people took it in because the room wasn't giving me nothing.
I had to bring it myself.
And you can bring it if you're good.
You can bring it if you actually have it.
But that's when you find out if you're faking it, when there's 10 people in the crowd.
Anything less than 50 people, you can't trick those fucking people into laughing.
You're either funny or you're not.
But a 200 person, you can sometimes...
We all know, and no disrespect, but we all know those people that can go on at the Laugh Factory at like 8.30 on a Friday when everyone's laughing and everything, and you can watch this...
Bizarre mayonnaise sandwich of an act where you're like, what did I even just say?
But yet the pauses are in the right place and people are laughing and the person's dressed right and they don't stay too long.
You do like 10-15 minutes and good enough.
You hit on enough buzzwords that people like, oh, you brought up some things that people think is funny like Kanye West or whatever.
There's that thing about Bill Gates 10 years ago when they said if he dropped $40,000 out of his pocket, it wouldn't be worth him turning around to get it because his time is worth much more than the time it would take.
To actually turn around and pick up the $40,000.
It would be financially prudent for him to keep walking.
I was looking online at houses that rich people own, like Oprah-style houses, and Oprah has houses everywhere.
But she's got this house in Montecito, which is the nice area outside of Santa Barbara, like really old-school, beautiful homes, really beautiful, beautiful neighborhood near the ocean.
And her house, it's like, how do you have enough money for this is one of your houses?
It doesn't even make any sense that one person can accumulate that much money.
And then when you stop and look at it and go, wait a minute, how did she do that?
Yeah, like, stayed out there, stayed bold, you know, out there, you know, would talk about losing the weight, and then lose weight, you know, drop 100 pounds, you know, do a fucking weight loss commercial.
Scientology is a religious fundamentalism and that's what's fascinating about his book.
Religious fundamentalism has nothing to do with the truth.
It has nothing to do with some ancient shit that God told people.
It has to do with another possibility of the human existence.
Just like we were talking about a car that a car has a bunch of shit it can do.
It can hit the brakes.
You can corner at 1G. You can accelerate to 60 in 5 seconds.
It has all these things that it can do.
Well, it can also fall into a cult.
That's what a person can do.
All the shit that a person can do.
A person can make coffee.
A person can use a computer.
A person can have sex and make a baby.
Oh, they can also fall into a cult.
We were in Utah filming my show last week, Duncan and I, and we showed up at the airport and it was one of the strangest things I've Been there many times.
They had these people that were returning from missions, and they were elders.
We were friends with them when they were Mormons and they eventually bailed.
It's really kind of interesting to watch them bail on being a Mormon.
Because they got to a certain point in their life where they're like, what the fuck are we doing?
Which is really interesting to see when people hit like 40 and then they start doing that.
But these people living in this state, and a giant percentage of them being involved in this one cult, but that cult seems to work for them, for the most part.
They get those weird aberrations, like they branch off occasionally and have that one guy that got arrested.
Well, I don't blame them, and I'll tell you why, because they've been the ones bearing the brunt with real tragedy in their bodies and their children and their neighborhoods.
They're the ones who've been dealing with this.
We've been the ones consuming it.
And it's got, you know, so I, again, yet again, you know, if people want to do something, they're going to do it.
Not only that, even the medical, like the idea of medical marijuana, the federal government does not recognize the fact that it's even a medicine.
So, the federal government, the reason why marijuana is a Schedule I substance is not because it's the most dangerous, because it was based on proof that it would be impossible to put marijuana in Schedule I. But they can put marijuana in Schedule I because Schedule I means it has no medicinal value that's That's recognized by the state, by the federal government.
So because of the fact they put it in a Schedule 1, then it refutes all the medical marijuana clinics.
Because you can have medical cocaine, you can have medical...
Once again, an example of how Washington has become an economy of influence.
Once again, why you got to know how the system works and the injustices it creates.
When a special interest group can affect other people's lives because there's an economic advantage in it, even if it's in a Yeah, I don't think anybody has an argument with it.
You know about some strange shit, but you don't know about some things.
Sometimes things are in the public consciousness that you're completely blissfully unaware of.
The Michael Hastings conspiracy is, he's a journalist for the Rolling Stone, 33 years old, cocky, fuck, getting people's faces on television about generals and stuff, about what they're doing, and you guys are doing this and that.
Exposes a bunch of shit, gets people in trouble.
He's doing an article about the CIA. His car drives into a tree.
This is after he told everybody the FBI is investigating him and his family and if anybody gets contacted by the FBI, just get a lawyer.
He's saying all this stuff publicly.
His car goes 100 miles an hour without ever hitting the brakes right into a tree.
He bursts into flames and dies.
Doesn't hit the brakes.
It's 4 o'clock in the morning.
Drives straight into a tree.
They take his body, cremate it against the wishes of his family.
Then the former security advisor, I think it was a security advisor to Clinton and Herbert Walker Bush, he comes out and says that it's possible that To take over a car, a modern car today.
And so this guy who is spending all of his time and all of his effort, very high profile, trying to take out the people in the world that are the best at killing people, all of a sudden drives his car 100 miles an hour into a tree, doesn't all of a sudden drives his car 100 miles an hour into a tree, And even people that aren't inclined to subscribe to conspiracy theories just go, wait a minute, what the fuck?
I've had some people that were...
They're very serious folks, okay?
And they've sent me messages just saying, okay, what the fuck is this?
Well, you know, Porsches are rear-balanced for the most part, except for the Caymans and Boxsters, which are actually the better-designed cars.
They're in a really tricky situation because the 911, since the beginning, when they first designed it, they designed it with an engine that's hung out behind the rear wheels.
Nobody else does that.
There's not another car that does that.
Everybody else does either a mid-engine format, which means that the engine is in front of the wheels, or it means it's in front of the front wheels, which allows the weight in the front.
That's a good 50-50 distribution way.
We have the front-engine car.
That's why I like the Lexus LFA, that super-fast, crazy, hyped-up Lexus.
That was a front-engine car.
The Corvette ZR1, that's a front-engine car.
But a lot of the exotics, like Ferrari, mid-engine, the Acura NSX, that was a mid-engine car for balance issues, just like the Cayman and the Boxster.
But Porsche keeps their engine now back still.
So they have to engineer all these ways to avoid what's called lift throttle oversteer because of the fact that you have this weight in the back.
As you're going around a corner, if you let off the brakes, your front end comes up and then the ass end goes forward and spins.
So you have to keep the front end down.
So you have to keep accelerating into a corner because you've got this massive pendulum behind you.
So if you know how to use it, it's wicked.
So if you know how to use it, you actually know how to accelerate out of corners better.
You know how to judge it and gauge it.
But not in that fucking Tesla.
You've got a bunch of batteries back there and little skinny-ass tires.
If you look at a Porsche like my GT3, the RS, those tires are like 15 inches wide.
He had a hard time making 155. That's why he stopped doing it.
That's why he went up to 170. These guys are nothing compared to Ellenberger.
Ellenberger is a legit 170 and he's a crusher.
He's a scary 170. He's a 170 that puts guys in la-la land with one punch.
So it's a really interesting fight.
Very interesting.
What's really crazy is Although Ellenberger has definitely fought the higher competition at 170, Rory's actually ranked higher than him by a lot of people and is the favorite coming into this fight just based on talent alone, based on people watching him take apart guys like Che Mills, take apart BJ Penn.
I think he, I mean, he walks around over 200 pounds before he starts his cut when he gets down to 170. He does it like, you know, when he's 170, he's fucking shredded.
When you see a guy that is competing in a smaller organization and crushing people, and then you see him fight in the UFC, and you see him start losing, and he gets out-muscled by big guys like Tim Bosch, and you realize he's losing to Yushin Okami, and you go, oh, I see what's going on.
You want to say, fuck it, I'm going back up at 185. And it depends on how much weight is he going to actually cut.
And has he done it before?
Has he ever cut a shitload of weight right before a fight before?
Because a lot of these guys, the week of the fight, they're cutting like 20 pounds.
They're dehydrating the shit out of themselves.
They feel terrible.
Some of them black out in the back room.
We've seen guys that had to get the fight canceled because they cut too much weight and then they fucking fall down and bang their head when they're out back there talking to the doctor.
Not just happened.
The idea of someone being really sick before a fight has happened many times.
24 hours before you're supposed to go into a cage and throw kicks at each other and you can't even walk.
That's the one thing about when I watched Arlovsky and how athletic he was, he ultimately didn't seem to have the, he didn't really become the UFC fighter he was supposed, people thought he was going to be.
I mean, at one point in time, he was the scariest guy on the planet.
Arlovsky, you know, he was knocking people out with one punch, but then he lost to Tim Sylvia, and then he came back, and, you know, they fought again, and Sylvia beat him again.
It's like...
It's one of those things where you can only stay at the top for so long, and then it's the top in relationship to where the sport is at the moment.
So in that moment, when Orlovsky was the UFC heavyweight champion, that's where the sport was.
What the sport was, was it was at this spot where this guy who was this big, super-fast, athletic kickboxer with lightning-quick reflexes was knocking guys like Paul Buentello silly.
You know, he was knocking guys silly as a heavyweight.
He was a super athlete.
He was really, like, moved really well.
But...
He started getting tagged.
He lost a few by KO. And then he loses his confidence and he starts getting KO'd on a regular basis.
He gets KO'd by Fedor.
He gets KO'd by a couple other guys, including guys that he's supposed to beat.
Yeah, Brett Rogers KOs him and the first 30 seconds of their fight just storms after him and KOs him.
He had a real series of problems.
He was fighting Fedor and was going punch for punch with Fedor for most of the first round and then tries this crazy flying knee and gets knocked completely unconscious.
It'll also be interesting when you see him fight as a heavyweight because, you know, how will he do against a really big guy that's naturally larger than him that could never fight at 205?
And there are those guys.
Like, you know...
Like, Shane Carwin's a perfect example.
Shane Carwin ain't fighting 205, okay?
He's got fucking cinder blocks that he calls hands.
All his bones are giant and thick.
He's like an ogre dude, you know?
That's how he's built.
He's a giant motherfucker, you know?
Even when he's lean, he's like 250, something like that.
It's really difficult to do, to transition from anything where you're a professional athlete with a finite career, whether it's basketball or baseball or football.
Unless you're Hicks and Gracie and no one's tapped you since 1980, you're getting tapped out on a regular basis.
Yeah.
It's just a part of the game.
You're going in there, you're rolling with, you know, Bill Cooper and Salo Hibero and you're rolling with a bunch of savages.
They're strangling you.
Yeah.
And that's part of jiu-jitsu, you know?
You get tapped.
I mean, I've been tapped by blue belts.
Yeah.
Put yourself in a bad position, somebody catches something, if you're dumb, you don't tap, and then you get your arm broken.
Because guess what?
A 200-pound man who's a blue belt who catches an arm bar correctly, and if you're tired and it gets full extension, you have to fucking tap.
It's what it is.
It is what it is.
And when you're doing that on a high level for a long time, you get a healthy ego because you're always getting your ass kicked.
You get your ass handed to you in training.
Especially when you do like those drills where you do like a tenth planet.
We'll do like nine minutes of live sparring and then you have 30 seconds rest or a minute rest rather where everybody grabs a drink and then you go to the next person for nine minutes.
In two persons...
You're doing 18 minutes of hand-to-hand fucking combat.
Yeah, and you could see the disappointment on his face because he's so good and everything else, but it was just, you know, it's like it happens to everybody.
When your dad is Hickson fucking Gracie, just think about the amount of knowledge that he must have relayed to his son.
If you don't know jujitsu, Hickson Gracie is like, there's not a whole lot of sports where there's one guy who's universally recognized as the motherfucker.
It's like the motherfucker of motherfuckers when it comes to jiu-jitsu is Hicks and Gracie.
Because if you talk to anybody, if you talk to Hoist Gracie, if you talk to any of these guys, and this is going on, by the way, by the way, by the way, in 1993, when the UFC was at first, he said, when Hoist was beating everybody in UFC 1, he was like, you should see my brother Hickson.
My brother Hickson kills me.
And he used to talk about that.
Yeah.
The moment somebody beats me, you're in trouble because then my brother Hickson is going to join.
It's amazing when there's one guy like that, though, that stands out.
And I think one of the things...
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I'll keep talking as if you were here.
We'll talk about everything.
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One of the things about a guy like Hickson that's so fascinating is that...
What separates him from everybody else is not just his physicality.
He's obviously very physical.
He's got great flexibility.
He's obviously very strong.
If you looked at the old videos of Hoist Gracie when Hoist won the UFC, one of the things about Hoist that was so impressive was that he wasn't a physically imposing guy.
Hoist was like 175 pounds.
He was very thin, and he didn't have big muscles.
Hickson, on the other hand, is built like a Greek god.
So he's not muscular like, say, like a George St. Pierre.
It was more like a gymnast or something like that.
That doesn't make any sense, because George is kind of built like a gymnast.
But he was a little bit less muscular.
But he's a strong looking dude, like very obvious.
But his thing was also the mind and also yoga.
It wasn't just his technique and his physicality.
It was also the fact that he was like a recognized yogi.
So when everybody else was like doing steroids and running hills and shit with weights on their back and...
And doing all these different kinds of bodybuilding sort of things.
Hickson's doing this weird thing with his stomach.
Where he's sucking in his diaphragm.
Doing this yoga breathing technique that's really freaky to watch.
Where he can pull his stomach in and control his breath in this really astounding way.
He's also insanely flexible.
You know, like in every single way, in every single position.
And his yoga is like one of the more unique aspects of him as a martial artist because he can move in such strange ways because of the yoga.
Like, it's very rare that you get a guy who's really strong and really flexible.
And that's what he was.
On top of that, his fucking dad was Elio Gracie, who was...
Maybe the most important man in the history of martial arts.
You're talking about a guy who was doing these jiu-jitsu matches in the 1940s.
He was learning these techniques that were taught to him by Maeda, by these Japanese judo guys.
Fought this guy Kimura, which is where that famous shoulder lock is named, the Kimura shoulder lock.
He fought Elio Gracie, and Elio let the guy break his arm instead of tapping.
That's how badass he is.
Imagine growing up and that's your dad.
Your dad decides to let some guy snap his arm in a chicken wing because he doesn't want to tap.
So he learned how to do small man jujitsu.
He changed jujitsu because he was a little guy.
He was only like 140 pounds.
So because of that, he was scrapping with all these big dudes.
He had to what he called cook them.
He had to let them cook.
He couldn't just eat them raw.
He had to slowly tire these bitches out.
He called them cooking them?
He had to slowly tire them out.
So he developed a very extensive repertoire of techniques to use from the guard, and he also developed the concept of protecting yourself in a real self-defense situation.
Ilio Gracie, long before the UFC, was putting himself in these Valley Tudo matches, where he would go out there and just duke it out with dudes, and they'd put on these events in Brazil, and he would have these fights with guys.
And then his cousin, Carlos, well, there was a bunch of different, there was his brother, Carlson Gracie was his cousin, and Carlson Gracie became like the most winningest guy.
He was a bigger, stronger guy.
And he came in and beat some of the guys that Elio couldn't beat.
But Ilio developed, like, not just a system of jiu-jitsu, but a series of killers that were sons.
I mean, his sons are Halston Gracie, Horian Gracie, Hoist Gracie, Hicks and Gracie, Hoyler Gracie.
I mean, there's never been a motherfucker ever who developed that many killers as sons.
And then those guys go off and branch out, out into the world and spread jiu-jitsu.
The most astounding family in the history of martial arts.
Yeah, look, Hoist Gracie, that was an important moment for martial arts.
And it was the first time, also, that we realized that, like, in the movies, it was always a little dude with skill that was beating the fuck out of all these guys.
It was always Bruce Lee that was small but fast as fuck and using his martial arts to defeat much larger Samo Hung-looking dudes.
You know, or who was the guy with the big muscles?
Chuck Norris was bigger and stronger and Bruce Lee fucked him up.
But in the real world, that didn't really happen that often.
In the real world, those big guys sort of got a hold of you and beat your fucking head into a pulp.
That's more of what most of us saw on a regular basis.
So then when you have the craziest event in the history of martial arts, this cage fighting event where you're going to lock all these different styles in and find out who's the best...
The odds that this one really technical small guy was going to win, they were astronomical as far as the martial arts community was concerned.
They thought that the biggest karate guy was going to win.
And a lot of guys who were karate guys thought they were going to win because they'd never been tested.
A lot of guys like Judo guys in there, karate, kung fu guys would get in there, Krav Maga guys, and they actually believed because they had been training so long that they were going to win until all of a sudden...
They'd get caught in these weird jokes, arm bars, punched in the face.
When guys got into certain positions, it got to a point where guys got into certain positions, they thought there was no escape in those positions, so they would just tap out.
When Remco Pardot, who was like a really tough guy, fought Marco Huas, all Marco Huas did was mount him.
Marco mounted him and he's like, well, basically the fight's over.
So he taps.
He taps and Marco mounts him.
That's like a regular basis.
That happens all the time in high-level fights.
Think about Anderson Silva's first round with Chael Sonnen.
Chael mounted him for most of the first round in the second fight.
And then in the second round, he came back and stopped him and knocked him out.
The idea that a guy mounts you and a fight's over.
That's how much MMA and that's how much jiu-jitsu has come along since the early 1990s.
Not really, because Weidman had him down on the ground and had him in a heel hook long before that.
What's going to happen in the second fight?
What if Weidman is six inches further down the knee when he wraps up that heel hook?
And what if he uses the legs properly next time and laces them differently and locks up his hips so that he can't roll out of it and then rips his knee apart, Husamar Pajarez style?
Not only that, not only is he better, he's bigger and faster and scarier because he's got vicious knockout power, which is what Chael Sonnen never had.
Because he knocked out Uriah Hall, that kid who was the standout in the Ultimate Fighter that won by wheel kick, the last Ultimate Fighter.
He knocked that guy out with a left hook.
The same left hook that he knocked He knocked out Anderson with.
He knocks people out.
He knocked out Munoz with an elbow.
He smashes people.
He also puts people to sleep.
You can't take anything away from that kid.
He won that fight because Anderson Silva fucked up, and he didn't respect him.
He dropped his hands, and he got clipped.
But Weidman still won that fight.
There's a lot of fucking people that have been in that same situation, wouldn't have been able to do shit.
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We're all sort of connected to all these interesting people that are willing to now do the show, and then you get more, and then you help them, and like...