Joe Rogan and Aubrey Marcus, CEO of Onnit, debate psychedelics’ transformative potential—94% of Johns Hopkins psilocybin trial participants ranked their experiences among life’s most meaningful—while critiquing government surveillance as Orwellian. Marcus shares visceral hunting rituals, like a 260-yard black buck kill and butchering for superior taste, contrasting industrial meat with raw, emotional sustenance. Rogan muses on cultural taboos, from eating wild game to grooming preferences, and ties it back to institutional distrust, suggesting psychedelics could reshape global consciousness if freed from secrecy. [Automatically generated summary]
I think it was Esther or somebody went there and they don't smoke weed and they said that they got so stoned that they almost had a panic attack while just doing comedy there.
What we do is we have a show, and whoever doesn't...
The Comedy Store has this sign-up sheet where every Sunday or Monday...
You sign up to try to do three minutes on stage, and there's tons of people that pay $20 parking, they try to just get their three minutes of stand-up in, and they don't get on.
So we take those people, like the people that didn't make the stand-up.
We let them sign up on this list.
And then they get to do one minute in front of me, Tony, and whoever the special guest for the week is.
And then we pretty much either do this thing called Tag It or Fag It, but it's spelled with a P-H. But we changed it to Fag It.
It's too bad because it was awesome, but we got to let that go.
You know why we got to let it go?
We got to let it go sort of in unity to our gay friends.
Because we don't really give a fuck if someone's gay.
I mean, we really don't.
So, like, if you're saying, like, something homophobic just because it's cute and fun to do, if you really don't care if someone's gay, it's like you're doing yourself, like, a little bit of a disservice.
You're getting lumped in with something that you don't agree with.
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What's wrong with that?
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Because there's some drugs that people do take anally, and they actually enjoy it.
There's a girl named Neuro Soup, and she did a piece on YouTube where she was talking about, it's got like a billion hits, because she's talking about taking DMT anally.
That she took DMT and she put it in her ass.
And she was one that was in that Vice story, that Hamilton Morris Vice story, where he was talking about how her boyfriend was this gigantic cocaine dealer.
I walked out of there feeling light and I was cleansed.
And the other ones were mostly just uncomfortable and I didn't really notice very much reward.
Leading me to believe that colonics are good once every five to ten years or so.
Just to kind of, in case there's some shit hiding out and some nooks and crannies, because the digestive tract has all these little spots and nooks and crannies and little areas where waste can collect and start actually really rotting and becoming septic.
It's good to get that out of there every once in a while.
They pretty much just went to all these doctors and they got this guy on Craigslist that was broke and they gave him like $300 to do it and let them film it.
But if you are doing some kind of fast or some kind of protocol where you are trying to detoxify your body, it's good to open up the channels of elimination.
One of the channels of elimination is shit.
So it's good to actually, because you will get kind of constipated because you're not feeding your body with a bunch of food.
So it's good to actually push that out.
But usually better than Epsom salt.
It's going to be oxygenated magnesium.
There's a couple brands like MAG07 and that, ozonated magnesium.
There's a couple different types, but it'll actually help really push that through in kind of a good, healthier way.
Remember that guy that was around Dead Doctors Don't Lie, and he was explaining chelated minerals, and he was saying that mineral deficiency is the reason for all these issues in farm animals that we fixed a long time ago, because we just give them mineral-rich diets, and we add minerals to their food.
But we don't add minerals to people's food.
He's like, do you know how few people take mineral supplements?
And he was talking about all these different deficiencies, calcium, creating osteoporosis.
Pretty convincing because there's not as much mineral in the soil.
I mean, they're replanting over and over again in the same fields, and that's where our vegetables are coming from, constantly replanting.
So the minerals in the soil are mostly from the fertilizer, what they're actually putting in.
Well, they're not necessarily putting in complete, full-spectrum, balanced minerals back in the soil.
So a lot of the food we eat don't have the mineral content that...
We originally had if you were farming in a really sustainable way and rotating around, getting new soil, things like that.
Solution, though, easiest one, is the Himalayan salt.
84 trace minerals right there in the salt.
And that's, you know, one of the reasons why salt was so prized back in ancient times is that that's the best source for your mineral, the easiest source, at least.
So all of the pollution that's in the world now, everything that's in the air, everything that's in the water and the fish and all that shit, that wasn't around back 100 million years ago.
Just pterodactyls and some ancestors roaming around on the ground.
So there was nothing to pollute the salt deposits at all.
And I had a pretty dramatic incident where, for like a week, I started going through, I was taking very demineralized water, like highly filtered water, just because it's a water filter that I have.
So then I was starting to hear my pulse in my ears when I would go to sleep, and I was having trouble sleeping.
And they're like, well, it could be a mineral deficiency for your adrenal glands.
And I was like, okay.
Really?
Yeah, they're like, take a bunch of salt before you go to bed, Himalayan salt before you go to bed.
I did that and made a dramatic difference.
So now, for me, I take more salt at night before I go to bed, and I sleep a lot better, and I don't get that.
It wasn't so much that I was...
It's just I could hear my pulse in my ears, and I felt like...
And they're just running it through adequate filters to take the bad shit out of it.
And that's distilled.
That's filtered water.
Now, spring water is actually filtered either through the ground, which is the best way to do it, like a volcanic system where the water naturally filters through the lava and comes out.
And that's going to collect all the minerals through the earth that you really need.
The thing about pigs is that they're omnivores and they oftentimes are scavengers.
So they'll eat like wormy food, man.
And you can get all kinds of horrible diseases if you don't cook their meat.
So I'm sure back when they did a shitty job of cooking meat and they didn't know what the fuck worms were, they would eat that stuff and get really sick and possibly even die.
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So if you've never done any kettlebells before, really, I urge you to start slow.
Start slow, and if you can, hire...
A trainer, to someone who's kettlebell certified, to just go over the movements with you.
You can work out at home.
You can totally get...
I do kettlebell workouts at home all the time.
But the first couple times you're doing it, it would be really smart if you're paid very close attention to technique and very close attention to your form and make sure you don't hurt yourself.
We don't want you hurting yourself, fellas and gals.
We have a bunch of videos up from the IKFF, which is one of our really cool new partners.
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One of the biggest sanctioning bodies for kettlebell sport here in the U.S. And two of their top athletes are on the side as well, giving some instructional tips.
You can go to our YouTube page or you can go to, you should be able to navigate to it from the kettlebells themselves, not the DVD. But if you go to the YouTube page, you can definitely check that out.
And Ken Blackburn, Mitch Blackburn, father and son.
Mitch is like 165 pounds and set the American record for the clean and press, double clean and press with 72 pounds on each kettlebell.
Some of those other main lifts, like bench and squat, they're really good for getting you bigger in particular.
And stronger in certain finite ways.
But if you're talking about general functional strength, the kettlebells, the clubs, the battle ropes, the bases, that's really going to get the job done.
And look, if you want to get crazy, I mean, like a lot of people, there's dudes that can squat 225 pounds easy.
Like I've met a lot of guys who can do that.
But how many guys could do that with two 120-pound kettlebells?
Tell me you really can do that?
You can clean and squat two 120-pound kettlebells?
You probably can't.
You're gonna wobble all over the place.
You're dealing with this weird thing that you have to kind of control and balance with.
You gotta learn how to hold on to them correctly.
You gotta build this weird kind of functional strength where you're swinging these fucking cannonballs around and catching them on your forearm without snapping your arm.
You know, that was back in my old business, you know, the natural, the dick pills.
We had those rock hard weekends, but we found out.
The whole game in a lot of those pills is you just sneak a little Viagra in it, and then you get popped, and then you sneak a little Cialis in it, and then you get popped, and then your third version is just pretty garbage.
I mean, once you get used to the paradigm of what those drugs can do, just forget it.
I mean, you can take all the herbs you want, and it's not going to really move the needle, so to speak.
But, you know, I mean, you can help support the systems in general, like with T +, but as far as dick pills themselves, Forget it.
So it's like you think they're a real piece of shit, but you look at some terrible label on the gas station, it's like, I don't know, phasered, laser, hard five.
And you're like, what the hell is that?
But if you take it, it's like a little bit of Chinese Viagra.
Isn't it crazy how different you can get excited for one girl over another?
Like there are some girls, and we all know them in your life, where when you're around them it's just like instant flagpole.
And then there's other girls where it's just, just for whatever reason, they can look just as pretty, they can be just as nice, they can be just as attractive, but there's some freak connection you have with certain people.
I know you're listening to this and you're like, there's no way these guys are serious.
No, the true shamanic tradition is...
It was explained to me by this guy, Jack Herrer, and he said that the idea is that you eat the drug, the plant, the mushroom, which has a very different, it's not psilocybin, it's some other type of hallucinogenic.
The active compound is muscimol, and it acts on a very different mechanism, actually.
So the mechanism of action of Amanita muscaria, it actually acts as a GABA agonist.
So it's going to give you more of the neurotransmitter GABA, whereas psilocybin, the mechanism of action that they're recently finding, which I learned a lot about at the MAPS conference, is the mechanism of action of psilocybin is it's actually restricting blood flow to your default mode network part of your brain, which is your top-down control mechanism in your brain.
So that basically your mental cerebral filter that allows you to focus on the day-to-day mundane tasks starts to go to sleep.
And that happens to be the center that controls depression and a bunch of other things, which is why the clinical application is proving so important and impressive in all these people.
But that's a totally different mechanism of action than the Amanita Muscaria, which is basically flooding your brain with more GABA, from what I understand.
But the muscimol is a tricky beast, and it doesn't necessarily come out through your gut.
However, once it gets processed through your kidneys and you piss it, It can be passed up to five times, they say, through different people.
So, like, I could piss, and then you could drink it, you could piss, give it to Brian, he could drink it, and then Brian could give it to two other people, and everybody would be high as fuck.
I mean, there's some ways that I think you can heat it and lightly bake it.
I don't know.
But I think the surefire way, if you really want to commit, is to eat it, then drink your piss, and then you can, you know, But you'd feel so stupid if it didn't work.
This guy is one of his patients, and it's pretty remarkable.
Went through there, did the brain surgery, and that's actually how I met Dr. Lazar.
He did the brain surgery, then he took a bunch of the ingredients we have in AlphaBrain, too, and he recovered way fast.
This is, of course, just one story, but he recovered super fast, and that turned Dr. Lazar on to the potential for these herbs to work in conjunction with what he was doing on the brain.
I was at a neurological research center today, and one of the things that these people were telling me while they were there, I was there for this silly TV show, but there's people that take their kids there.
Like if the kids are involved in football, and they have football injuries, and they're talking about it like these kids are like 15, 16 years old and just have these massive concussions.
And the father's just like, well, when can you get back in there?
And the mother's like, is he gonna be okay?
The mothers are concerned.
That their kid is getting really badly hurt, and the fathers, they want them to get back in there.
It's weird.
She was describing it to me, like, you know, these situations that she's dealing with with these fathers and these kids, and she's like, it's really creepy.
Because these kids don't know any better, and they're just running.
Man, in the brain there's so much more we still have to learn about it.
Did you happen to see that thing on 60 Minutes where there are people who are now able to control prosthetic limbs with their thoughts alone?
Did you see that?
So basically, they hook up these arms.
Now, the first version, prototype, was they hook the arms up and they actually hardwire it somehow into the nerves, but it's still their thoughts that can allow them, like, they can shake hands with people just from, like, their brain telling this completely prosthetic arm to shake hands or, like, grab a ball.
They can tell if a ball is hard or tell if a ball is soft just from feedback.
It's bilateral.
So it's not only their squeezing, but their fingers...
Can give signals to their brain and let them know if what they're squeezing is hard or soft.
So it goes both ways.
And then they figured out how to hook it up wirelessly so that they can actually control arms that are not even on them.
And they can make those arms move just with their thoughts.
But imagine, and then the application for sports, there's been a couple movies like that, but you could go full, let's say you created this kind of android creature that you could control with your mind, you could go full gladiator style with net and trident, sword, and just have the most brutal, obviously it would be expensive because machines are expensive, whatever, but it'd be sweet.
I bet they would play like a real live version of The Sims, just to let their human body go out there and interact with all these other robot bodies.
You know, they take their body, they lie down, and they look through the body, or look through the eyes of this thing, and then send it off, like it's a little game.
And you send your robot out, and your robot goes and fucks other robots, and parties, and your robot's an animal, and he drinks and drives, because he doesn't even live in the real world.
You know, there's like a weird rush on the other side, too, that tells you not to do it.
Like, it's gonna feel good.
You know, like, when you're about to, like, If you're about to yell at somebody and you know you shouldn't, there's pretty much no reason ever to yell at somebody.
But when you get this kind of energy that comes up and it feels like it's going to be good to release it, what the fuck is that?
It feels good because sometimes people need to be shown that they're cunts.
It's like an evolutionary response.
The only way people learn how to behave is by feedback.
The way they learn how to be harmonious with their fellow brothers and sisters of the world is by feedback.
And when you're not good at it and you get bad feedback all the time and you don't adjust, that's like a sign of mental illness or stupidity or a lack of education or lack of Someone explaining or your own personal critical thinking involving the way the world works.
But for most people, as you get older, you get way better at communicating because you've gone through this feedback loop several times and you sort of stabilize it and you know what people like and what they don't like and you know how to get things off on the right foot and how not to and it's like sort of easier to navigate.
But the key there is not to become completely enslaved by the feelings and thoughts and the kind of world around you so that you're constantly living to please what the Toltecs would call the dream, the co-created world around you.
So yes, don't be a dick.
Learn not to hurt people.
But then at the same time, Don't judge yourself according to all of these opinions that are generally wrong anyways.
People don't necessarily always want you to be your best, you know, so you gotta find your inner path as well as adjust to Guiding principles.
And eventually, hopefully, we all hope for some form of personal sovereignty, where no matter what anybody says about you or how anybody describes you, it's a better way of putting it.
You know who you are, and you're alright.
And all they're doing is exposing this need to detract from another person.
Yeah, well, if you're really objective, especially.
And that's what we should all strive for, right?
Like real objectivity.
If you could really just fucking really look at what you're doing right or wrong and what you're enjoying about your life and what you're not.
Kind of get that bitch back on track.
Sometimes it's harder to see yourself than it is to see other people, which is why a lot of the most fucked up people with the most fucked up lives always want to give you advice.
Objectivity is a real challenge and I think one of the tools that both me and you have found have been different ways to break through that kind of mental patterning that gets you in trouble.
So the tank is a great way to do it.
There's different meditation techniques that are great ways, but sometimes For us really thick skulled monkeys like myself and you and some other people when we just need something heavier to do it.
And I think that's when I've gone to Peru and done the ayahuasca or you can go hopefully somewhere safe and do a heavy psilocybin trip or find some way to actually get that part of your mind to really be objective, to kind of cut out all the bullshit and look at yourself with a true reflection.
Yeah, and I feel like there's certain doors that get open when you have those experiences.
And when those doors get open, it's like the whole world just takes a turn to the left.
It's just not the same world anymore.
It's just not.
And that's scary for a lot of people, man.
It makes sense.
But you've got to really look at it objectively.
And one of the things you've got to look at is...
Do you really like the world the way it is?
Are you really scared of taking a left turn into Crazyville?
Crazyville might not be that bad.
Trust me.
The regular world is crazy enough.
Take a little trip down the Leprechaun Lane and have a chat with the Pixies and the other dimensions.
It's not a bad idea.
You gotta know what the fuck is going on with your brain, though.
That's the problem.
I would never tell anybody to do mushrooms or acid, even though I have.
I would never tell anybody to do any, now, today, knowing what I know, would never tell anybody to do any psychedelic, because I don't know how the fuck their brain works.
I don't know, but you know, that's, these receptors, and this is swimming a little deeper than I probably can go, but I think it has something, you know, nicotine acts on certain mental receptors.
I think it's your nicotinic receptors, and then tryptamine acts on certain receptors.
And somehow there is a synergy there.
I haven't necessarily experienced that, but what I did experience, which is really weird, I have no very good explanation for this, but at the end of one particular ceremony, he smoked the tobacco, the shaman smoked the tobacco rustica, which is different than the tobacco that we smoke.
It's a different species of plant entirely.
So tobacco rustica, they smoked a big hand-rolled cigarette from that.
And he blew the smoke all over my body.
I didn't feel anything at the moment.
I was like, okay, well, I'm going to smell like this burnt plant.
Cool.
That's good.
But he really took care and put it on certain points.
And there's always some kind of purgative element to the ayahuasca.
But that night, I was like shitting and vomiting like there was some evil in my body that was trying to escape.
Like the most violent purge I've ever had in my life.
And it went on for hours.
I don't know where stuff was coming out of my body.
And I've done ayahuasca many times, so I know...
Do they have outhouses?
No, you have a little toilet in your place.
You have a running water toilet?
Depends.
Sometimes no.
Sometimes that's just a hole.
And sometimes you do have running water depending on where you go.
But a lot of times they don't have toilet lids because you're not supposed to sit there and really enjoy it.
One of the interesting things about taking the DMT was the shortness of the trip.
And that's the thing that people always comment on that one of the signs That this isn't a deadly drug, is how easy your body can get rid of it.
Your body can get rid of it and bring you back to baseline in 15 minutes.
Like, you're on this voyage to another dimension, and then 15 minutes later your body's like, okay, nothing to see here, we're just going to clean this up, folks.
Come in there with a broom and sweep up all the memories of what you just did.
It seems like your body knows what to do with this shit.
It obviously makes it.
We know it makes it.
We know that.
But now we know that literally the third eye makes it.
And that's fucking crazy.
Because that's literally...
I hate when I say literally because I shouldn't have said it that many times.
That was my version of uh.
It's literally uh.
I should have said uh.
Anyway.
They've proven that, at least in rodents, this sacred of all sacred glands, this gland that the Egyptians thought was the seat of the soul, this gland that Eastern mysticism had forever connected with an eye of enlightenment, that that gland produces the most potent psychedelic drug known to man.
It's so many cross cultures, too, that, you know, have some kind of belief in that center of your, you know, in that center of your forehead where your pineal gland is.
It's pretty unique.
And, you know, the shamans down there, interesting thing, you know, when I was reading Daniel E. Bolelli's book about creating your own religion and the distinctions between religion and, you know, what we all both feel is like true spirituality.
And some of it is, you know, it's not people telling you that.
It's, you know, feeling it.
It's feeling that kind of activation or feeling what that feels like.
And there's been times when I've been taking ayahuasca where my most intense experiences come with a really intense buzzing energy that feels like not only that part of my head, but starting there, the energy feels like it peels off my whole scalp, starting in my third eye, middle of my forehead region. the energy feels like it peels off my whole scalp, all the way to the back of my head, what they would call the crown chakra.
And I don't...
I know too much about chakras, but I know that that's what I felt.
From right here to the back of my head, it was like somebody peeled it off and it had an electric field, an electric current over it.
And when you get that feeling, you know you're in for some fucking cool shit.
That's when the cool shit happens.
That is the precursor to the craziest experiences of your spiritual life.
Yeah, it's a language that you can only speak with people who've had some form of experience, something, because there's a lot of people out there, and there's nothing wrong with that.
I don't think there's anything wrong with going through your whole life.
As long as you're enjoying it, why have a psychedelic experience?
If you don't want to, if you don't feel compelled.
I feel like if you feel compelled, give it a shot.
But...
When you're having these conversations and you're talking about your chakra blowing open and porting yourself to dimensions and flotillas of serpents flying above your head, I hear you.
And I'm like, yeah, wow, okay, wow, fucking A. Like, I know that really happened.
Because I've seen some crazy shit myself.
Not that it really happened, not that it's really a snake, but my point about that, where people always go, you know, if it's not real, okay, then you're doing something really infantile, okay?
You're taking something that's allowing you to go into fantasy land for a little while.
Maybe.
Or, listen, what if I could prove...
That it takes you to another dimension.
And in that other dimension, you will see things that you could not possibly have imagined.
And you will experience novelty and honesty and wisdom and love in the purest forms possible.
Like there are waves hitting you while you're standing on the beach.
If I could tell you that it was definitely taking you to another dimension, would you go then?
I don't know.
Maybe not.
But here's what I know.
Here's what I know for sure.
If it took you to another dimension and you had that experience, or if you just had that experience in your head, you still had that experience.
And it might as well have taken you to another dimension.
It might as well.
Because the same thing happened.
You saw the same shit.
You felt the same things.
You experienced the same things.
You saw it all.
It might not have been real, but it might have been real too.
It doesn't matter.
You still experienced it exactly the same way.
As if it did take you to another planet.
And you did ride around the rings of Saturn in your underwear.
I mean, it really does take you to that place.
So it might be real, it might take you to that place, or it might be all happening in your mind, but either way, you experience the exact same thing.
And it lasts, and the results there, you know, that you get from it are actually, and that was one of the cool things about going to the MAPS Conference, which is the Multidisciplinary Association of Psychedelic Studies.
They put on a conference in Oakland, and they had all of the top scientists from all these different fields of research come and present their findings.
So there's been over 80 patients clinically dosed with psilocybin, most of them in palliative care, easing the anxiety of death towards the end of life.
Amazing, dramatic stories.
You have psychiatrists in there who've been working in this field for 40 years, seeing people, and they're the ones running these Well, first of all, the funny part is it's a double-blind trial, right?
So on one case, someone is getting placebo, which is doing nothing.
And in another case, they're getting a heroic dose of psilocybin.
And the research is like, one of the problems with the study design is we pretty much know, because they're not supposed to know it's double-blind, we pretty much know when someone's taken a bunch of psilocybin.
It's not hard to tell when that's actually happened.
But they're saying that what they're accomplishing in three hours, It would have taken them three years to do back in the old paradigm.
And they're reporting these findings, and it's really encouraging.
Obviously, the Johns Hopkins study was a great study.
94% of people who took the psilocybin said it was one of the top five most meaningful experiences of their life.
I mean, really cool findings that are leading to a potential legalization of psilocybin for clinical use.
And you think that you get nowhere playing by the rules, but in some encouraging results, both for MDMA, for PTSD, and these psilocybin studies, they're getting allowed to do the research to complete these phase one trials and actually test them on human subjects for the first time in a long time.
And that's going to lead to You know, bigger trials than the Phase 2 trials than the Phase 3. And eventually, there's going to get drug approvals for these.
Now, why that is significant is at that point, you have a massive amount of data.
You have side effects studied.
You have clinical use studied.
And if you can prove that there is an actual benefit to something, you know, it really weakens the argument for criminalization.
And then, of course, there's going to be a lot of off-label uses, doctors who are like, look, this is really helpful.
You know, just kind of like what's happened with medical marijuana at A little bit.
It's been medically legal, but pretty much that is a gateway to legalization.
But they're following the steps along the path that could potentially allow this to be legal.
There's that path, and then there's the religious freedom path.
And I think those are really the only two paths that are going to lead to fruitful and effective policy change.
The other thing I've been kind of thinking about is, too, is, you know, you assume that, like some of these ayahuasca shamans, aboga shamans, different people, you would assume that by doing those psychedelic drugs, they would have straightened themselves out.
They would have straightened their morality out, and they'd be all good people.
But that's certainly not the case.
You know, there are a lot of examples of these people who are doing the medicine itself and are still completely morally corrupt.
That's so weird.
Yeah, it is weird.
But, you know, I think ultimately the power of the mind, you know, if you put your mind to it, can supersede, you know, the potential of the medicine itself.
So if you decide to override it and just use the feeling, it's almost like taking mushrooms recreationally to watch a cartoon.
You can kind of override the potential spiritual value of it and just focus on laughter and seeing colors explode on a screen in the same way that you can do it with morality, where you can take a bunch of ayahuasca and then use that, override it still with your mind and just use it to, you know, practice whatever override it still with your mind and just use it to, you know, practice whatever kind So you got to make sure you get, you know, just because they do a bunch of ayahuasca or aboga or whatever doesn't mean they're good.
You got to find the people who are on that true path, the path of light.
So you think what happens is probably these people grow up in this horrible area, you know, third world country, really impoverished, and they probably find out to buy ayahuasca as a way to make money because there's an ayahuasca tourist trade.
Maybe when you just reach a certain amount of fucked up, there's no pulling you back to civilization.
Maybe the way the human body is programmed to survive in horrible, destitute situations.
Really disgusting, violent situations.
The human body is sort of designed to be able to function in those environments.
It knows how to change and get wacky and crazy.
You know, knows how to deal with war.
It adapts.
It adapts and that becomes the new reality.
That becomes every day-to-day living now.
And it just seems like when you go just a certain distance down the cunt hole, you know, it's like there's no pulling you back.
Everybody was like, why do I have to wear underwear?
I'm just going to wear tights.
And dudes would just wear tights everywhere.
But they're see-through tights where you could just really show your cock.
And that becomes a new thing.
Look, it...
I would believe that that would be the new thing before I would ever believe that there'd be dudes willing to pull their pants down to their balls and then belt them in place there and have your underwear hang out.
And this would be like a super common practice.
And then I'd be walking on the street and I'd see 5, 10, 20 young men with their fucking pants pulled down below the crack of their ass.
And I'm like, what are you doing?
Do you know how stupid this is?
So I wouldn't believe that that would be possible, and it is.
So I believe that the cock tights would be the shit.
I was listening to my buddy Donald Schultz who was out actually and they were chasing down rhino poachers, which was a pretty crazy experience because they're going after these rhino poachers that are killing these rhinos, just cutting off the horns, selling them to China to make Chinese people's dicks bigger supposedly, which is crazy.
If you look up Donald Schultz, rhino, I don't know where you can find it.
They get shot at by these poachers.
And then you see them duck down like, oh shit, and they're filming this.
And then his people pop up.
He's from South Africa.
His people pop up with AKs and just lay waste to where the poachers are.
And the poachers have high-powered rifles.
These guys have assault rifles.
But they shot first at them.
And it's a shoot-to-kill policy, apparently.
But then they roll up on the poachers.
One of them's dead.
One of them's wounded.
It's this crazy kind of scenario, right?
But the poachers are in leagues with the actual police in there.
It's all...
They're paying them off.
It's all part of the money system.
So as they were leaving, they get stopped by the police, and they're looking for footage of, you know, kind of what went down.
And they hid the footage in, I think, some parachute bags or something like that.
And police are giving them hell, and they just go, you know, we're going to throw you in jail, and you're going to come out different.
And what they meant by that was that there's something called slow puncture, where they put you in a cell with another dude with HIV, and then he rapes you.
And then they let you go after he rapes you enough times.
And then you go home and you die of AIDS at home.
And they call it slow puncture for people that they can't actually press charges on.
It's also, like, nobody has any desire to go and use resources to help these poor people out.
These people who live in Liberia or live in Somalia or live in any of the really poor sections of Africa, like, they got a really shit-roll of the dice, location-wise.
They were born in an incredibly impoverished place.
And it's like there's got to be something that the rest of the world, like, got to, like, be honest about where these people are.
The rest of the world is like, well, you know, they can pull themselves up by their bootstraps just like we did over here in Munich.
But no, like, the infrastructure of some spots is, like, so much better to get born in those spots.
I mean, I saw when I was there in the slums, you know, you would see these shanties, these little shacks of basically...
Sheet metal, and that's it.
Sheet metal, and they kind of put it towards the ground just to keep a little sun off their head and a little bit of shade in the day.
But they'd be on hills, right?
And there's no septic system, so they'd be on hills.
So the people at the top of the hill would just be going to the bathroom in their huts, and the sewage would just slide through all of the rest of the places down underneath that.
And disease was everywhere, you see.
And it's a really intense, intense scenario.
And generally a very good people, but one of the things, and very cool people there that you meet, but one of the problems is that the best way to get ahead in Africa right now, the way to get the most money, is not start a business, be an entrepreneur, create something.
It's to get a grant.
So we have some of the brightest, smartest Africans instead of trying to create businesses.
And of course some of them do.
But I noticed a lot of really the smartest people I meet were coming trying to write grants and just trying to get money instead of focusing on starting a business, building something from the grassroots.
So it's almost like some of the help that we're providing is not really helping long term.
Nigerian scammers, I guess, they just got super desperado, a bunch of smart dudes, and then just hopped in and started figuring out how to scam white people.
oh Nigerian scams are working let's do it nobody knows shit about Nigeria they took it to the next level they pretended to be Nigerian but they're really like from Sweden or some shit go ahead I was just going to say, speaking of Sweden or some shit, I was thinking of foreign countries where this guy can go that leaked the NSA documents.
What do you think the ultimate endgame is for that?
I guess it's if anybody is a problem, they can just go back to the records and fuck you up, right?
Is that the idea?
Because they're not going to be able to pour through that data and just pick on people because someone said, oh yeah, I'm going to smoke some weed or whatever.
I mean, I really don't think that's the plan.
I think it's just they have it just in case they need a...
It's not that they want to invade your privacy, but that if you turn out to be a creep, they want it to be really easy to be able to pull out any data on you.
The problem is that it's like so Orwellian.
And you're giving people this incredible power to peer into people's privacy, and what do we lose in return for that?
Well, we really lose all privacy.
Because all privacy, when you're interacting with, unless you're talking in a closed room, and even then, if you go into foreign places that are working on secret shit, like embassies and stuff, they won't let you bring iPhones.
Do you know why?
Because you can't take a battery out of an iPhone.
Amber Lyon taught us that.
When she was working for CNN, she'd do these big-time interviews, and she would have to get an Android phone so they could take the battery out.
Otherwise, they can have that thing working remotely, and they can spy on you.
All that technology is available.
They could just set your phone off while you're hanging out in your office planning your dastardly attack on Gotham City with your fucking superhero friends or whatever, and they can record it all.
Well, you know, I've been really, like I said, listening to this Dan Carlin podcast.
I've listened to dozens of them over the last couple of weeks.
And it's amazing how good we have it today, just compared to like the 1500s.
Like the way the people were living just 500 plus years ago, it's just, it's total insanity.
Total insanity.
We would be in hell if we were forced to be back there.
It was such a short period of time ago.
It's like, we...
Without a doubt, there's a lot of room for improvement in this society, in this culture.
But we're seeing an awareness right in front of our eyes that I'm not even sure if we've totally understood the impact of it yet.
Because what you're seeing with this NSA leak thing and WikiLeaks, you're seeing this forced response.
In this grand global way.
Like, they have to respond to these things in a global way.
Like, the whole UK is...
They're writing articles about it, and newspapers are writing articles about it.
Hong Kong, the fact that this guy was on the run, the FBI's looking for him.
This is a worldwide publicity disaster for the NSA. And it's been created by one person who took a stand.
And now they're going after that person as if he's some sort of a terrorist.
One person that showed that, hey, you guys are kind of violating the Constitution.
Like, what's going on here?
Do we have a Constitution anymore?
Oh, no, this NDAA thing that you fucks passed, that sort of bypassed the Constitution.
So now, all this illegal shit, or that used to be illegal, you made it legal, so you think you're doing an okay job.
Is that what's going on here?
This is clearly bad governing.
Clearly.
And I think that transparency...
It's being exhibited in like this reaction to this NSA whistleblower thing where people, you know, like the president's having to defend it now.
And one of the things he was saying, I was just talking about this to Duncan.
We were talking about how Obama was like, you know, this is something we should definitely have a debate about.
I'm definitely open to talking about this.
Well, really, why was it a secret then?
Why did somebody have to leak this?
Why didn't you discuss this with people and explain the pros and cons of losing this much secrecy, of losing this much privacy?
That's ridiculous.
There's not that many threats to this world.
I don't buy it.
I think they're doing a great job in shutting down threats.
If you stop and look at how many threats have turned into actual terror attacks, Besides the Boston one and besides a couple other ones, there's very few.
Very few.
When you compare them to actual days of the week, you compare them to actual human interactions that take place throughout 50 states and numerous cities all throughout the day, all over the time, there's very few like those shitheads from Boston.
There's very few, like, you know, whether it's a 9-11 that happened in 2001 or...
Because they can squash most of them without reading every fucking email you send.
They shouldn't be able to read everybody's shit.
That's ridiculous.
You know, I think if you could prove that you were just and that you were looking out for the best interest of man, maybe you should be able to go and like look into this stuff without a warrant.
But because it's been proven, like, the IRS goes after conservative Tea Party groups, like, much more than they go after liberal people.
They, like, they just got busted for doing that.
Like, chasing down these Tea Party fucks and making their life hell.
Harassing them.
Like, making their experience with paying their just taxes much more difficult.
Dianne Feinstein was explaining that we needed to do these things because we need to stop terrorism.
And when she was saying this, I was imagining that this person gets to speak for me.
I was imagining the ridiculousness of this person getting to speak for me, this silly person, who if there was a couple of us and she started talking, we'd be like, okay, yeah.
Stop talking.
You're talking nonsense.
Like, you're talking nonsense.
If she was just around us right now and she was explaining why that would be important, she would look like a buffoon within a couple of minutes' time.
She would be stammering.
It would be a disaster.
There's no argument there.
And there's not a single argument that you could point to where a competent society that cares about its citizens and it cares about the quality of life, which includes respect for your privacy.
That that culture would allow these ass fucks to just download every email you send.
Duncan had a great way of describing it today.
He said, could you imagine if the government in the 1960s said, hey, everybody that sends a letter through the mail, we're going to take it and Xerox it, and then we're not going to read it, but we're going to have it, and then we're going to send it back to you.
And we're going to just keep all your letters in a storage facility in Utah.
You'd be like, get the fuck out of here.
You don't get to read my letters.
Why do you need to read?
You're just...
Because when a person calls themselves the cops or the CIA or the FBI, they put themselves into some sort of a group, and then all of a sudden they believe they have power that a regular person doesn't have.
Because if there's only two people on the planet, you and Mr. FBI guy, and Mr. FBI guy is like, I believe you might be plotting terrorism, so I'm going to read your emails.
You're like, emails to who, you fuck?
It's just you and me.
No, you can't read my email.
Get out of here.
Go fuck yourself.
You're just a person.
But when you're in a group and you're the NSA or the CIA or the FBI or any fucking other three letters you want to string together, all of a sudden you have the power to go and do really rude shit to people.
I mean, it's rude when your girlfriend reads your phone texts, even if you haven't done anything wrong.
It's just rude.
It's rude when people dig into people I write in journals and things like that.
And one of the most sacred things to me is that nobody picks those motherfuckers up.
Because if somebody goes in and reads that journal, that means that every time I'm writing my innermost thoughts, there's going to be a little censor voice up there saying, Oh, well, what if somebody reads this shit?
I better not write this exactly how it is.
And as soon as that censor voice comes on, the whole practice of writing in the journal is fucked.
I recently got out of a situation where somebody did that, you know, where somebody went in my phone and screenshotted every single text I have, every single photo, every single thing, and sent it to themselves.
And that now questions me when I talk to anybody, even if it's something legit.
I don't even want to type it down anymore because of that.
I mean, there's like that program that's popular right now, Snapchat, you know, where you send the photo and then it expires in three seconds of your balls and stuff.
People found out a way to hack that now, so you can go in there and take all those photos and all those videos that are supposed to be gone forever.
I only have books in the shitter if I'm not taking my kale shakes.
Because if I'm on a regular kale shake program, the way I describe it is like a tunnel and then those zombies from World War Z are running down the tunnel just all stacking on top of each other.
That's what the kale shake is.
It just fills up your entire pipe.
With a thick, green, gooey substance, because I down about 30 ounces.
And then those motherfuckers just push everything out, and it's a wild ride.
Yeah, man, you know what, dude?
I told you someone on the message board actually found out how much of that shit is in kale, as opposed to other things.
But, you know, I mean, people, it's the same, I mean, you can apply that same if you really kind of pay attention to those signals coming back.
You can learn a lot from that.
And that's, you know, with this, you know, the earth-grown nutrients thing that Mike Dolce is always preaching about, you can tell the difference.
And then you get these weird kind of ideas.
I mean, I like a lot of the Asprey principles about high fat, but if you take some of that stuff too literally and start hammering, like, lots of butter...
And you just don't feel that great all the time, you know?
But if you're following a more kind of common sense and just listening to the feedback from your body, I tend to trust that more, just kind of feeling what feels good.
Yeah, but it's also good to have some real science and knowledge behind it too, which I think Asprey, you know, he takes a lot of heat, but he knows a lot of shit.
And he's not a professional.
So if he gets something wrong occasionally, you've got to realize that guy also runs an IT company.
People are always accusing him of trying to hawk his items, which he definitely is over-bulletproofing everything.
I asked him if he had a bulletproof wife, if he goes home to his bulletproof marriage and has bulletproof sex.
You know what else has really changed the game for me, and maybe I'll tell my whole hunting story too here if we want to get into it, but I went out on that hunt down in South Texas, and we got a lot of meat back from that hunt.
Every single time I have that meat as compared to some other meat, I mean, the way that I feel it digest, the way that I feel it absorb, it's completely different.
And even if you're buying some kind of grass-fed cow steak, You know, this wild game that we went out and procured ourselves, I mean, it's not only delicious, I mean, everything we've had has been pretty fucking good.
Maybe one dud, but most of the stuff, we're making fajitas, we're making stew, we're making tacos, we're making steaks, we're making stir fries, and all of this shit.
But that was a really cool experience, and it may be something that we've...
I know we've talked about doing something like that for Onnit.
So really, how it could potentially work.
And it's a challenging scenario.
So hopefully, just know that we're working on it, guys, and potentially make this possible.
Because I think...
The health benefits are there, and the whole process is really valuable.
Because if you've gone your whole life, and I know you've made this pitch too, but if you've gone your whole life, and all you do is show up to the grocery store, pick some cellophane-wrapped piece of meat that all you identify is as a steak, you really don't get it.
You don't fully get it until you've been there inside the animal, arms covered in blood, actually cutting those pieces of meat out of something you've killed.
That changes your reality.
Then you have a full appreciation for what you're doing.
So what we did out there in South Texas is there's these ranches.
This one was 10,000 acres.
So there is a confined space.
It is 10,000 acres.
But these animals are procreating.
They're just kind of loosely measuring the herds because they're mostly wild.
The problem with hunting most native game is there's very select seasons in which you're allowed to hunt them.
So you have to really kind of stock up.
If you're going to hunt whitetail, you better be in October and you better book some shit in advance or go somewhere that's very small seasons.
So what these exotic ranches have done, if it's non-native game, you're allowed to Basically, take animals from the herd all throughout the year.
So they've gotten species of animals from different parts of the world.
And they're just, you know, that country's version of the deer.
So there's fallow deer, which come from Europe.
There's some black buck, which come, I think they're from Indonesia, tiger food.
There's some axis deer, which also come from around that area.
Black buck might be Somewhere else.
And then there's oryx and attics and all these different kind of antelope and deer that they get.
And they're just living it up out in South Texas.
The plants down there have roughly 30% protein.
And even though they're sparse, they have pretty good adequate protein.
And when there is kind of a drought, they do supplement it with a little extra food as well.
But they're pretty much just living off the land and thriving and procreating.
And so you're going down there, and not only is it like a cool safari where you're seeing all these exotic creatures, you're actually able to go out and take your rifle and hop out on some sticks or, you know, track them down in these kind of outdoor vehicles, which are like these commando-style suburbans, and go hunting for an animal that you're going to take then and butcher and have meat for.
Man, I've been eating the same deer for like three months now.
So it's a really fucking cool experience where you're out there in the land and these animals are, you know, ostensibly as wild as other animals.
I mean, they're not sensitized to the truck.
A few of the species are.
They get kind of used to the truck and that would be a little weird to shoot.
But these black bucks, I mean, I was out there hunting for the entirety of the day and I really didn't think I was going to get one.
You know, I was hoping to get one, but I kind of...
Said, you know, alright, if today's not the right day to take an animal, so be it.
So we're out cruising around, and every animal that came within about 250 yards was just scattering.
And I knew the ballistics on my gun, I wasn't going to comfortably take a shot that was over about, you know, 150 to 180. Just because at that point, my particular ballistics on the bullet, the bullet was going to drop about 4 to 6 inches.
So it was all by, you know, we had a guide there, and he'd be like, yeah, that's about 190. Take him out, son.
That's about 190. Get her done.
So anyway, so we finally, it's the very end of the day, I didn't think I was going to get anything, and we see this black buck doe at the very top of the hill about 260 yards away.
Instead of scattering, I was like, oh great, she's just going to run away like everything else does.
Instead of scattering away, it ran like right towards the truck for 80 yards.
So it was like at 160. And this is like right when the sun was kind of starting to set.
Definitely the last chance I had.
So I made like a quick makeshift brace.
Saw it in the crosshairs, tried to steady my heartbeat from pounding, and try to keep the crosshairs from dancing all over the thing, seeing sky, seeing ground, and then focus in, take a deep breath.
And then it just kind of turned just the right way, and I pulled the trigger.
Wah!
You know, a big blast.
And then it was just full adrenaline from there.
I saw it rear up in the air, fell to the ground, and I remember running up to it because I knew that if it was in pain, They say to kind of wait and see if it gets up.
I wasn't really down with that.
I wanted to make sure that if it was there that I could ease its suffering as quickly as possible.
So we ran up there, and obviously your heart's pounding, and it's a really weird experience.
And I go up and I see it.
And it was still alive, but it was probably bleeding out.
It was definitely bleeding out.
It caught a piece of the heart, a lot of lung.
And it was definitely bleeding out, but I wanted to make sure that it didn't suffer.
But at the point that I got up there, the feeling wasn't any feeling of like, you know, it was nothing but just pure gratitude and appreciation for this animal.
And I put my hand on its neck and pulled the knife out, which is actually a very special knife to me.
It was one that my uncle gave to me before he passed away.
And I put my hand on its neck and quieted myself and then put it into the heart.
And I could feel the heart reverberating through the blade of the knife into my hand.
And I pulled it out and just kept my hands, one hand on its chest and one hand On its neck and could kind of sense the life leave the body.
And, you know, I said a little prayer, kind of avatar style.
Wrote one up beforehand.
You know, basically the idea is, you know, as your spirit goes back to the source to nourish new life, may your flesh, you know, nourish our bodies in this life.
So I look at its eyes, its face, and its face was covered in these spines.
And so I thought it hit a cactus.
And they were like all up in its eyeball and stuff like that.
And then I smell the flick.
I hear the flick of a lighter and a cigarette.
And it's our country guy.
He had like a Budweiser and a cigarette.
I don't know.
He's a South Texas guy.
He says, oh, porcupine spines.
You won't see that one time in a thousand.
And so basically, some porcupine had whacked it in the face, and the spines were working their way through its eyeball.
So it was kind of a cool feeling to know that at that point, I had taken an animal out of its misery, so to speak, too, which was not necessarily my idea.
I was going to take an animal that presented it, but...
That happened to be the one that presented itself.
But then the really weird thing happened.
I got really angry at the porcupine.
Like, my love for the animal, my appreciation for the animal was so strong that I fucking hated that porcupine.
But just the feeling of having gone out there and caught it, butchered it, put it in our freezer, and then cooked it up, it's like a connection to something that...
Our ancestors have been doing for thousands of years.
So when you went with the Chinese voice earlier and the gay voice now, you son of a bitch.
You son of a bitch.
So what we would do if we were going to have an Onnit hunting thing is basically just use that...
Branch and you know just work it through like they could do it through us through our website We explain it maybe map out your experience Whitney's experience and yeah, I'm gonna go there soon to my experience I want to shoot a buffalo I got a bit and in people like it's not very sporting I just want to eat a buffalo and I want to shoot out of me I want to I have a giant freezer and I'm gonna set it up to eat my own meat and I just think it's the smart way to do it.
I think it's the healthiest way to do it.
And I think that wild game like that, whether it's buffalo or deer, and especially venison, I think is like the most delicious meat on earth.
Elk is absolutely delicious.
It's really the smart thing to do if you can do it.
If you have the time, if you have the finances to go to a place and hunt.
It's really the smartest way to gather meat.
It's the way we really should all do it, and if we did, we would have a totally different sense of this connection between man and nature.
Yeah, and you could combine it with a lot of other cool stuff.
We could do kettlebell training workouts, mace, club in the day, get people familiarized with that aspect, have some talks and discussions about different things in the nights and make a cool experience out of it.
The problem is that you can't really get that many people with guns together at the same time.
And we've got a lot of awesome customers who want to go do this.
So it's like, can we do these things at 10 at a time every two months?
Well, yeah, you could put, like, a vest on an animal, like a cat, just have a laser tag cat ranch, and you just try to shoot them, because they're fast.
And you grab the rod and you reel it in and you hope you get something and then someone whacks it on the head and maybe you pull the hook out if you're brave and sometimes you're with somebody who does it.
Whatever that whole program is, it's different.
But I went spearfishing recently, which was kind of like...
A little bit of a different paradigm as well.
That one feels a lot different.
It's like hunting but for fish instead of fishing because you're out free diving with this big wooden, you know, archaic looking thing with these bungee cords hooked to this little metal, you know, spear.
And you're free diving down, you know, 8, 10 feet and chasing after these fish and trying to spear them.
But the cool thing is, is some of the fish you can catch with the hook.
Like, you can get snapper, which is really delicious.
But the guide on the boat, and I was down in Mexico doing this, the guide on the boat It was telling me that parrotfish tastes like lobster, and I should really get parrotfish.
Well, parrotfish, they have this little tiny mouth.
All they do is eat algae, and you never catch them with a hook because you can never get a hook in their little tiny mouth because you've got nothing they want to eat that's on a hook, unless you had a really algae-ed hook or whatever, but it would never happen.
But with spearfishing, you can actually target these fish, and so we got one.
I think that most partners, most spouses in America just would not allow, would not go there and would not allow their husbands or boyfriends or anybody to go there, period, ever.
I had to do the thing where I had to take a shit when I woke up this morning, so I had to have a bucket that I usually use to clean my dog so I could pee in the bucket because I couldn't tuck my dick down while I was shitting.
You gotta look at it like doing a downward dog and just grab a hold of the top of the lid, you know, the top where the upper deck is, and then just bend down and push your dick down.
And that was part of the adaptations he made to his religion, is that he always struggled with the fact that you couldn't have sex in Christianity, but he wanted to be a man of deep faith.
So after that point, he was like, okay, God didn't strike me down and I'm praying better than ever.
So he adapted that.
To his kind of philosophy, but apparently he was kind of a bit of a hypnotist, wizard, whatever.
I don't know how far you want to go with his powers, but the reports were that he could contract and dilate his pupils at will, like through mental control, so he could do weird shit, and he had a huge dick, and would just cut a swath through all of Russia, just banging everybody.
My shit usually looks like there's a lot of green in there, like chunks of leafy vegetables, until I gorge on meat, and then it becomes hard and chunky.
They are, but, I mean, there's two different kinds.
There's the ones that have always had the hairy vagina, and then there's the girls that recently, like, I'm taking care of this and bringing it back because...
There was one recently where it was just like, no, this is like 70s vagina that hasn't been touched since the 70s.