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June 12, 2013 - The Joe Rogan Experience
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Joe Rogan Experience #367 - Aubrey Marcus
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aubrey marcus
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brian redban
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joe rogan
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joe rogan
Keep it together, folks.
Keep it together.
It's so hard to keep it together.
We just gotta keep it together.
It's so important to keep it together.
I know it's hard as fuck to keep it together.
unidentified
But keep it together.
joe rogan
Before we get started, we've got some shows coming up.
Brian Redband and Tony Hinchcliffe are making their way to Toronto.
Be careful up there, you fucks, because that's Canada, all right?
That's not America.
You've got to be respectful.
Don't go up there throwing your fucking waste products in the street.
Be kind.
Be gentle.
Canadians are awesome.
You're going to love Toronto.
brian redban
Toronto is very different than Vancouver.
joe rogan
Yeah, I think, well, they're both awesome.
You know, Canada's like one of my favorite places to perform.
I'm doing Winnipeg this weekend.
brian redban
Oh, that's awesome.
joe rogan
It's fucking, they're so fun.
They're like, just like regular American crowds, like a really good American crowd.
Jazz that up like 5%.
That's like a really good Canadian crowd.
They're like super enthusiastic.
They're awesome.
And that place that you're going to in Toronto, they may or may not Smoked marijuana while the show was going on.
brian redban
The underground cafe?
joe rogan
And you may or may not not be able to see people in the audience because you're performing in the fucking clouds.
brian redban
I think it was Esther or somebody went there and they don't smoke weed and they said that they got so stoned that they almost had a panic attack while just doing comedy there.
joe rogan
Is that even possible?
unidentified
No doubt.
joe rogan
Absolutely.
No doubt.
100%.
There was no air left in that room.
You were only breathing weed.
brian redban
Wow.
joe rogan
It was insane.
I'd never been so high in my life.
There was nowhere else to go.
I'd hit the back of the high wall.
Like, oh, here we are.
It's like, this is the wall.
This is the 300-footer.
brian redban
I'm not going to do good.
This is going to be scary for me.
joe rogan
You're going to be fine.
Just don't get too high before you go up there.
That's the thing.
Just don't get too high before you go up there.
brian redban
Wow.
joe rogan
Or get high, like, really early in the day so you're comfortable around, like, 5, 6 o'clock.
brian redban
That's true.
aubrey marcus
You better build up your tolerance.
joe rogan
Go over your notes.
brian redban
Or just do a Stonis set everywhere.
I'm just making words up.
joe rogan
They're great, though.
They're great.
You're doing three days up there?
brian redban
Yeah, July 11th, 12th, and 13th.
joe rogan
It's a great spot.
The people that run it are super cool.
All that stuff about weed, I made that up.
It's not even going on down there.
Don't worry about it.
But you're going to love it.
And Tony Hinchcliffe, who we've taken with you, is fucking hilarious.
Really funny dude.
He's really coming up.
brian redban
We started that new podcast with him, the Hinchcliff Notes, and man, we've only done two episodes, but I really see this becoming big.
You know what it's like?
It's like American Idol for open micers.
joe rogan
Yeah, you're doing some weird shit with him.
Tell me exactly what you're doing.
brian redban
What we do is we have a show, and whoever doesn't...
The Comedy Store has this sign-up sheet where every Sunday or Monday...
You sign up to try to do three minutes on stage, and there's tons of people that pay $20 parking, they try to just get their three minutes of stand-up in, and they don't get on.
So we take those people, like the people that didn't make the stand-up.
We let them sign up on this list.
And then they get to do one minute in front of me, Tony, and whoever the special guest for the week is.
And then we pretty much either do this thing called Tag It or Fag It, but it's spelled with a P-H. But we changed it to Fag It.
That's really rude.
aubrey marcus
It's tough for your very first time in comedy to get tagged with the P-H-A-G. That's a kind of a career ender right there.
joe rogan
I think, let me first of all guess, you named that.
brian redban
Right.
Okay.
aubrey marcus
Yeah.
joe rogan
And second of all, you didn't run it by any of your gay friends first.
brian redban
No, but we changed it this week to bag it just because everyone got nervous.
joe rogan
Well, it's unnecessary.
In this day and age, fag is unnecessary.
It's too bad because it was awesome, but we got to let that go.
You know why we got to let it go?
We got to let it go sort of in unity to our gay friends.
Because we don't really give a fuck if someone's gay.
I mean, we really don't.
So, like, if you're saying, like, something homophobic just because it's cute and fun to do, if you really don't care if someone's gay, it's like you're doing yourself, like, a little bit of a disservice.
You're getting lumped in with something that you don't agree with.
brian redban
It's absolutely a poop joke.
unidentified
You know, it's like a cheesy, dumb joke, you know, you would say in high school.
brian redban
So we changed it to bag it.
And what we do is we pretty much sit there and they do their joke and we either help them.
Like, that's a good joke.
You know, here's some tags for it and we try to tag it up for them.
Or we just tell them to bag it and get the fuck out of here.
And we kind of almost do it in a roast kind of way.
But last night we were there and this guy came up and he was dressed up as Iron Man.
And he just came up to us and goes, I'm a huge Death Squad fan and I wanted to come here and hang out with you guys.
So he's now our new security guy, the guy that gets the people off stage.
unidentified
This guy?
joe rogan
What a fucking outfit.
First of all, he's like part Iron Man, part Captain America.
brian redban
Yeah, look, he has a microphone thing in it.
unidentified
I will lead Death Squad into battle against anyone who would threaten our way of life.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
brian redban
It was so ridiculous having him on board because he ended up being really funny too.
Chime in on some of the comics.
That's hilarious.
The first episode drops this week on iTunes.
joe rogan
Okay, and go to GetDeskWad.tv and you can find how to get tickets for the Toronto gig.
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Look, some people like it, I bet.
I bet they do.
Some people...
aubrey marcus
Don't need to make a bet.
joe rogan
It's a fact.
People like bones through their noses, and people like all kinds of crazy shit.
People like tattooing their face.
People like crazy shit, okay?
You can't hate it.
But I don't think I should have to know who owns that website.
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unidentified
And save yourself some money, bitch.
joe rogan
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We're also brought to you by Onnit.com.
And what a shock, because the fucking CEO of Onnit is here today, ladies and gentlemen.
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brian redban
Huge cock.
joe rogan
That's what I hear.
aubrey marcus
Easy.
Easy there.
joe rogan
There's no need to...
Huge is a rude word.
aubrey marcus
Except when I do a boga, of course.
Then it shrinks to the density of Pluto and a small diamond.
brian redban
He puts T-plus in his dickhole.
joe rogan
How dare you?
I don't think that would be effective.
Maybe it would.
Imagine if you found out that was the best way to do it, just pack it in there like a musket.
aubrey marcus
Tastes like watermelon.
joe rogan
Can you imagine if you could get it?
Because there's some drugs that people do take anally, and they actually enjoy it.
There's a girl named Neuro Soup, and she did a piece on YouTube where she was talking about, it's got like a billion hits, because she's talking about taking DMT anally.
That she took DMT and she put it in her ass.
And she was one that was in that Vice story, that Hamilton Morris Vice story, where he was talking about how her boyfriend was this gigantic cocaine dealer.
unidentified
Oh, that's right.
joe rogan
An ecstasy dealer.
Was that your Hamilton Morris impression?
Yeah, that was mine.
That's his real voice, man.
Don't hate.
But this chick had this greatly detailed video about her putting...
DMT in her ass.
And it was this fucking super intense ride with the devil.
aubrey marcus
What happens?
I one time watched somebody.
joe rogan
Goes right into your bloodstream, apparently.
brian redban
Shit's talking to aliens.
aubrey marcus
I was at an electronic music conference, and I do not endorse or recommend this behavior whatsoever.
But I watched a girl who said she couldn't get high from ecstasy anymore.
She takes one, and she puts one in her mouth and goes under her little tutu and puts one in her ass at the same time.
And it was like, I hope this works.
joe rogan
Oh my god, I hope this works.
Did she at least break it up before she put it in her ass?
Or she would crunch down with her butt and try to slowly massage it into a fine powder?
aubrey marcus
Dissolving it with the natural juices.
brian redban
And why wouldn't you start with your vagina first?
Because it's definitely easier to get juicy in there.
joe rogan
Imagine if you just found out that your asshole is the best thing ever for cracking walnuts.
You're like, there's no way.
My ass has no strength.
But really, you put a walnut in there and it just destroys it.
And you're like, wow.
Wow.
brian redban
Have you ever tried to squeeze on your finger?
joe rogan
No.
I don't stick things in my ass.
But a doctor did once.
I had a test once, and a doctor looked up my ass with his finger.
I'm like, wow, alright.
aubrey marcus
I've done a Kalani, and that's a little frightening.
joe rogan
Yeah, that seems like a bad idea.
You're gonna stick a pump up your stomach, and you're gonna shoot water in there and clean yourself out, including all the good stuff.
Like, there's a whole civilization going on inside your stomach.
unidentified
That's true.
joe rogan
And you're going to blast water through your shithole, and then they're going to examine your poop, and you're going to discuss what your diet is?
aubrey marcus
You get to watch it go through the tube.
joe rogan
How about I just eat salad?
aubrey marcus
It's like excavating.
It's like archaeology.
You see stratosphere, like layers of the earth from different meals past, years past.
You've got the red layer, the brown layer, the yellow layer, the black layer.
Just different parts that you see from not just your last meal, but many meals before.
I don't know how often you need to do it, but that's what I saw going through the two.
joe rogan
So did you feel good after you did it?
aubrey marcus
The very first one I did, I've done like a three or so.
This week?
Today alone.
joe rogan
Just fucking loving it.
Just clean it.
aubrey marcus
It's a good excuse.
joe rogan
Clean it.
aubrey marcus
No, the very first one I did felt like a slight religious experience.
joe rogan
Slight religious.
aubrey marcus
It felt amazing.
I walked out of there feeling light and I was cleansed.
And the other ones were mostly just uncomfortable and I didn't really notice very much reward.
Leading me to believe that colonics are good once every five to ten years or so.
Just to kind of, in case there's some shit hiding out and some nooks and crannies, because the digestive tract has all these little spots and nooks and crannies and little areas where waste can collect and start actually really rotting and becoming septic.
It's good to get that out of there every once in a while.
unidentified
Did you see bullshit?
aubrey marcus
That's my theory.
brian redban
Did you see bullshit on it?
Penn and Teller's bullshit?
joe rogan
What'd they say?
aubrey marcus
No, what'd they say?
brian redban
They pretty much just went to all these doctors and they got this guy on Craigslist that was broke and they gave him like $300 to do it and let them film it.
joe rogan
Oh my God.
Oh my God.
brian redban
And this poor guy.
And so then they went to all the doctors and their doctors were like, it does nothing.
It does something.
joe rogan
I don't think you can say it does nothing.
That seems silly.
unidentified
They seem to be not paying attention.
aubrey marcus
And they let you watch it, too.
joe rogan
Maybe that's the next Onnit product.
We'll go with Onnit colonics.
aubrey marcus
Just colonics and douchebags.
Actual, literal douchebags.
joe rogan
Apparently, there's people that will take Epsom salts and they drink it in a glass, like a couple tablespoons in a glass.
brian redban
Yeah, I do that.
joe rogan
Does that go through you like a rocket fuel?
That's what I've heard.
I've heard it's just ridiculous.
aubrey marcus
Gassy, uncomfortable, very diuretic.
Don't recommend that either.
joe rogan
But does it have a benefit?
Is there something to do to clean your shithole out?
aubrey marcus
Yeah, I mean, if you're doing a cleanse, right, and you need to open up the channels...
joe rogan
First of all, if you tell people you're doing a cleanse, chances are you're a douchebag.
If you're one of those fucking guys, I'm cleansing.
aubrey marcus
I know, bro.
joe rogan
Cleansing, I'm getting very feminine.
Cleansing.
unidentified
Cleansing.
aubrey marcus
But if you are doing some kind of fast or some kind of protocol where you are trying to detoxify your body, it's good to open up the channels of elimination.
One of the channels of elimination is shit.
So it's good to actually, because you will get kind of constipated because you're not feeding your body with a bunch of food.
So it's good to actually push that out.
But usually better than Epsom salt.
It's going to be oxygenated magnesium.
There's a couple brands like MAG07 and that, ozonated magnesium.
There's a couple different types, but it'll actually help really push that through in kind of a good, healthier way.
joe rogan
Does Epsom salts contain magnesium?
It does, right?
aubrey marcus
Maybe that is the mechanism for Epsom salt, too.
It's a different form.
joe rogan
One of the benefits of the tank is that you absorb Epsom salt through your skin.
Son, the fact that you don't have a tank, we gotta get you on that shit.
At this point, that's preposterous.
Agreed.
brian redban
Magnesium's like the thing that we all need, but none of us really get enough of.
joe rogan
Yeah, magnesium, zinc, zinc and magnesium.
Yeah, a lot of minerals, actually.
Remember that guy that was around Dead Doctors Don't Lie, and he was explaining chelated minerals, and he was saying that mineral deficiency is the reason for all these issues in farm animals that we fixed a long time ago, because we just give them mineral-rich diets, and we add minerals to their food.
But we don't add minerals to people's food.
He's like, do you know how few people take mineral supplements?
And he was talking about all these different deficiencies, calcium, creating osteoporosis.
It was pretty fucking crazy shit.
aubrey marcus
Pretty convincing because there's not as much mineral in the soil.
I mean, they're replanting over and over again in the same fields, and that's where our vegetables are coming from, constantly replanting.
So the minerals in the soil are mostly from the fertilizer, what they're actually putting in.
Well, they're not necessarily putting in complete, full-spectrum, balanced minerals back in the soil.
So a lot of the food we eat don't have the mineral content that...
We originally had if you were farming in a really sustainable way and rotating around, getting new soil, things like that.
Solution, though, easiest one, is the Himalayan salt.
84 trace minerals right there in the salt.
And that's, you know, one of the reasons why salt was so prized back in ancient times is that that's the best source for your mineral, the easiest source, at least.
There's a lot of good sources.
joe rogan
But there's a really good reason for getting Himalayan salt, right?
That's like it's salt that hasn't reached any, there's been no pollution on it.
aubrey marcus
That's it, yeah.
It's like 100 million years old.
So all of the pollution that's in the world now, everything that's in the air, everything that's in the water and the fish and all that shit, that wasn't around back 100 million years ago.
Just pterodactyls and some ancestors roaming around on the ground.
So there was nothing to pollute the salt deposits at all.
No oil spills, none of that.
So it's a very pristine deposit.
What do you do?
joe rogan
You put like a little in your water in the morning?
aubrey marcus
Yeah, I do it intermittently.
I actually like it at night.
And I had a pretty dramatic incident where, for like a week, I started going through, I was taking very demineralized water, like highly filtered water, just because it's a water filter that I have.
So then I was starting to hear my pulse in my ears when I would go to sleep, and I was having trouble sleeping.
And they're like, well, it could be a mineral deficiency for your adrenal glands.
And I was like, okay.
Really?
Yeah, they're like, take a bunch of salt before you go to bed, Himalayan salt before you go to bed.
I did that and made a dramatic difference.
So now, for me, I take more salt at night before I go to bed, and I sleep a lot better, and I don't get that.
It wasn't so much that I was...
It's just I could hear my pulse in my ears, and I felt like...
joe rogan
Mineral deficiency would cause that.
Did they explain the mechanism?
How does the mineral deficiency cause that?
aubrey marcus
The adrenal glands need the minerals to function at an optimal level, like most of the systems in our body.
So all kinds of systems need the minerals.
Minerals are kind of the foundation of what makes us up, makes everything run really well.
joe rogan
So were you drinking distilled water?
unidentified
Is that what it was?
aubrey marcus
Highly, highly distilled water.
Like Kangen water.
It's called Kangen water.
joe rogan
So not just filtered, distilled.
aubrey marcus
But like completely mineral-devoid water at my house.
And I was eating good vegetables and stuff, but the vegetables don't have all of those minerals.
And I would occasionally sprinkle salt on my food, but I wasn't really paying attention to my salt.
You know, and then I tried to regiment it and actually supplementally take it, and it made a huge impact for me.
unidentified
Wow.
aubrey marcus
Yeah, because you have to be careful with that.
I mean, all these water systems, I mean, this is a fancy water system.
I'm not endorsing it by any means.
It's just good to take everything out, but it takes too much out.
You have absolutely no minerals and electrolytes in your water if you're using one of these highly filtered systems.
So...
Adding a pinch of that salt back in is going to be important.
That's what your body runs on.
joe rogan
That's interesting.
What about spring water?
Is that the best water to get in your body?
There's a difference between spring water.
What is the difference between spring water and Dasani?
Those are filtered waters, right?
aubrey marcus
Right.
They're basically taking water from anywhere.
It can be as dirty as...
Can be.
And they're just running it through adequate filters to take the bad shit out of it.
And that's distilled.
That's filtered water.
Now, spring water is actually filtered either through the ground, which is the best way to do it, like a volcanic system where the water naturally filters through the lava and comes out.
And that's going to collect all the minerals through the earth that you really need.
And that's going to be the best way to do it.
joe rogan
Yeah, my friend's place in Colorado has a well.
aubrey marcus
Yeah.
joe rogan
Perfect.
unidentified
Perfect.
joe rogan
She gets it, like, right from the well.
It's incredible.
It's like spring water.
aubrey marcus
Totally.
joe rogan
So, like, you have free spring water.
aubrey marcus
You probably need half the Himalayan salt or a quarter.
Maybe you don't need any.
I don't even know how rich that water is.
But you'll need way less than if you're constantly drinking filtered, distilled water.
joe rogan
Yeah, they pull water right out of the fucking ground up there, man.
It's nuts.
I mean, that's where they're getting their water.
They're getting free spring water, just pulling it out of the ground.
It's like, try drinking some water here.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know?
Try going through Studio City and digging a fucking hole in the ground and find a way.
aubrey marcus
Yeah, not going to be good.
joe rogan
Suck it out with a straw.
You're dead.
aubrey marcus
Even some places out in the hill country in Texas, we have wells, and you bring it out, it smells like eggs.
unidentified
Yeah.
aubrey marcus
I mean, it's sulfur.
unidentified
Sulfuric.
aubrey marcus
Sulfuric.
And there's no way you're going to stomach drinking that.
joe rogan
That's so nasty.
brian redban
And the Himalayan salt that you have on onnit.com is to prove, too, so...
joe rogan
It's what?
brian redban
Jew-proved.
joe rogan
Jew-proved?
What does that mean?
aubrey marcus
It's kosher, baby.
joe rogan
Oh, it's kosher.
I don't even know what that means.
aubrey marcus
Does that mean?
I think a rabbi has to bless it.
I don't know.
joe rogan
I think it has to fit certain parameters.
aubrey marcus
It has to poke it.
You can't rub his balls on it.
joe rogan
You know none of that.
aubrey marcus
Definitely not.
joe rogan
He has to know that the process has been observed.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
They have like real strict rules.
I think like with slaughtering animals especially.
aubrey marcus
Yeah.
joe rogan
Very specific rules about what's kosher and what's not.
But you know what's not kosher?
Bacon.
So kosher's stupid.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Okay?
That's ridiculous.
Okay?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
If you don't like bacon, you can go fuck yourself.
For real.
aubrey marcus
I was thinking about that, and I kind of feel like the Jews are pretty cool with masturbation and pretty cool with sex.
I feel like they had to pick something that they could outlaw and say, forbidden.
And they were just like, ah, bacon.
We can live without that shit.
We'll jerk off all day.
We'll fuck whoever we want.
But bacon, we're going to outlaw that so people take our religion seriously.
brian redban
And dirty salt.
joe rogan
You think of how much trichinosis pigs have.
aubrey marcus
That's true.
joe rogan
The thing about pigs is that they're omnivores and they oftentimes are scavengers.
So they'll eat like wormy food, man.
And you can get all kinds of horrible diseases if you don't cook their meat.
So I'm sure back when they did a shitty job of cooking meat and they didn't know what the fuck worms were, they would eat that stuff and get really sick and possibly even die.
unidentified
Yeah.
aubrey marcus
Bacon back then was like raw dog or girl in Africa.
joe rogan
Yeah.
It's dangerous.
Pigs would just be wandering around.
aubrey marcus
Do it at your own risk.
joe rogan
Yeah.
aubrey marcus
But it's tempting, you know, because it's delicious.
joe rogan
Yeah.
They didn't know what the fuck they were doing.
And those pigs are wild, too.
Just eating fucking cadavers and shit.
Yeah.
Wild pigs are dirty freaks.
brian redban
Getting rid of evidence.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like that movie Snatch, right?
We talked about that.
This is not even a commercial anymore.
But that's how it goes.
Himalayan salt.
Yeah, go get some.
If you haven't been to the fitness section of Onnit, we got pretty much anything you need for a serious, rigorous strength and conditioning program.
We provide it all.
When we talk about stuff for functional strength...
Weight vests, battle ropes, kettlebells, steel mesas and steel clubs, both of them, which are excellent for developing full body movement and the kind of strength that you could really translate into any athletic endeavor.
brian redban
Or murder.
joe rogan
Well, if you're, you know, I guess if you had to.
aubrey marcus
Be a really slow shot.
joe rogan
The steel mace in the club.
brian redban
If you're really strong.
joe rogan
We also have jump ropes now, pull-up bar, medicine balls.
aubrey marcus
Full home gym.
joe rogan
Full home gym.
And, you know, and really like functional stuff.
And two of the best DVDs.
We eventually will make our own DVD. We promise you this.
We promise you this.
But for now, the Extreme Kettlebell Cardio DVD 1 and 2. By the fabulous Keith Weber.
It's tough to keep those fucking things in office, right?
aubrey marcus
We actually took over production, so we got us covered.
You can hammer us with those things now.
We're not waiting for old Keith and April from Canada to send them to us.
joe rogan
You finally worked it out, right?
aubrey marcus
Yeah, we worked it out.
joe rogan
It was impossible to get those DVDs.
aubrey marcus
No, it was.
It was an international incident every time we had to try and get them.
joe rogan
I hope you're happy, Keith.
aubrey marcus
Keith is happy.
joe rogan
I hope he's happy.
aubrey marcus
Keith is happy.
joe rogan
Hey, he deserves it.
unidentified
He does.
joe rogan
He killed it.
That is a badass workout.
Both of them.
They're ruthless.
So if you've never done any kettlebells before, really, I urge you to start slow.
Start slow, and if you can, hire...
A trainer, to someone who's kettlebell certified, to just go over the movements with you.
You can work out at home.
You can totally get...
I do kettlebell workouts at home all the time.
But the first couple times you're doing it, it would be really smart if you're paid very close attention to technique and very close attention to your form and make sure you don't hurt yourself.
We don't want you hurting yourself, fellas and gals.
aubrey marcus
We have a bunch of videos up from the IKFF, which is one of our really cool new partners.
They're...
One of the biggest sanctioning bodies for kettlebell sport here in the U.S. And two of their top athletes are on the side as well, giving some instructional tips.
joe rogan
And where is that if you try to find that on the website?
aubrey marcus
You can go to our YouTube page or you can go to, you should be able to navigate to it from the kettlebells themselves, not the DVD. But if you go to the YouTube page, you can definitely check that out.
And Ken Blackburn, Mitch Blackburn, father and son.
Mitch is like 165 pounds and set the American record for the clean and press, double clean and press with 72 pounds on each kettlebell.
joe rogan
How many times did he do it?
aubrey marcus
He did it like 65 times in 10 minutes without putting him down.
Doubles on that.
joe rogan
God, that's insane.
aubrey marcus
And he's like 165 pounds, 19-year-old kid.
You can see him on the honor roll, actually, if you look up Mitch Blackburn.
joe rogan
That's some ridiculous strength.
aubrey marcus
But it just shows you what you can do.
Yeah, it is.
And his form.
These guys, their form is impeccable.
joe rogan
Yeah, but you have to.
aubrey marcus
They're not wasting any energy at all.
It was cool to watch him, cool to learn from.
joe rogan
You know what's really fascinating about a lot of these guys is they don't look like, they're not like bodybuilder looking guys.
It's like they have this incredible strength for the amount of mass that they carry around.
Like you were saying this guy's 160 pounds?
aubrey marcus
Yep, 165 pounds.
joe rogan
Jesus Christ!
aubrey marcus
I know.
joe rogan
That's that tiny little fella.
aubrey marcus
There's the guy right there.
joe rogan
The fact that a guy that weighs 160 fucking pounds can throw two 72 pound kettlebells around like that.
aubrey marcus
He was ripping the 90s up and snatching the 90s.
joe rogan
That's insane.
unidentified
Whatever.
joe rogan
That's insane.
aubrey marcus
What do you want me to do?
Okay.
You got some chalk here.
joe rogan
People who don't know, like for the average folk, you would struggle with a 35-pounder.
Trust me.
It's hard.
The first time you do it, it's real awkward.
But what it develops, I am a fucking huge proponent of kettlebells.
What it gives me is like real functional strength.
Like functional strength that just directly translates to Jiu Jitsu.
I noticed a big difference in my rolling.
When I got really heavy with kettlebells.
Because it transferred my workouts from, oh, today I'm going to bench, tomorrow we're going to do squats.
You know, that gets you stronger.
But there was something different about doing it all together.
When you were doing, like, you know, like alternating cleans and clean press squats and these crazy full body exercises.
Like, you didn't just get stronger, you also got more fit.
You also got, like, more endurance.
You also got, like, translatable explosive energy.
aubrey marcus
Some of those other main lifts, like bench and squat, they're really good for getting you bigger in particular.
And stronger in certain finite ways.
But if you're talking about general functional strength, the kettlebells, the clubs, the battle ropes, the bases, that's really going to get the job done.
joe rogan
Functional strength.
And it gives you a balanced strength.
And look, if you want to get crazy, I mean, like a lot of people, there's dudes that can squat 225 pounds easy.
Like I've met a lot of guys who can do that.
But how many guys could do that with two 120-pound kettlebells?
Tell me you really can do that?
You can clean and squat two 120-pound kettlebells?
You probably can't.
You're gonna wobble all over the place.
You're dealing with this weird thing that you have to kind of control and balance with.
You gotta learn how to hold on to them correctly.
You gotta build this weird kind of functional strength where you're swinging these fucking cannonballs around and catching them on your forearm without snapping your arm.
unidentified
Yep.
joe rogan
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unidentified
Seriously.
brian redban
I didn't.
Any natural dick pills coming soon?
aubrey marcus
You know, that was back in my old business, you know, the natural, the dick pills.
We had those rock hard weekends, but we found out.
The whole game in a lot of those pills is you just sneak a little Viagra in it, and then you get popped, and then you sneak a little Cialis in it, and then you get popped, and then your third version is just pretty garbage.
I mean, once you get used to the paradigm of what those drugs can do, just forget it.
I mean, you can take all the herbs you want, and it's not going to really move the needle, so to speak.
But, you know, I mean, you can help support the systems in general, like with T +, but as far as dick pills themselves, Forget it.
And size is a fucking joke.
That doesn't even exist.
brian redban
So there's no, like, ant boners or anything that you could put in there that's just natural stuff?
joe rogan
All that stuff that they're calling ant boners is just Viagra, bro.
aubrey marcus
Ant pills.
A lot of the ones in the gas station actually work because they're putting...
Like Chinese Viagra in there.
brian redban
Yeah.
aubrey marcus
So it's like you think they're a real piece of shit, but you look at some terrible label on the gas station, it's like, I don't know, phasered, laser, hard five.
And you're like, what the hell is that?
But if you take it, it's like a little bit of Chinese Viagra.
brian redban
It's great.
joe rogan
It's just so ridiculous.
He's so ridiculous.
Like, why wouldn't you take the real pharmaceutical drug where you know what it is?
He's like, let's just hope this one works.
brian redban
Because some are more powerful than others.
joe rogan
This isn't anthrax.
So you lose all responsibility for what happens based on the luck of the draw?
brian redban
It's kind of luck of the draw, but I've found a couple of them that you really take, and it's the most ridiculous bonus ever.
joe rogan
Oh, that's hilarious.
brian redban
But it lasts seven days.
aubrey marcus
Or then it's the Cialis one.
joe rogan
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brian redban
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joe rogan
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Can't hate a guy for trying.
Exactly.
This motherfucker and his dick pills.
You believe this guy?
brian redban
I took two different brands last week.
joe rogan
Why not go to a doctor and tell him your dick is broken?
brian redban
Because it's not broken.
joe rogan
He will give you amazing drugs.
I'm not saying that it's broken.
I'm saying tell the doctor it's broken.
brian redban
Do they have a test, though?
Does he rub it and go like, you're lying?
joe rogan
He sucks your cock for five minutes, and if you can think of dead puppies for five minutes, then he'll give you the pills.
unidentified
That's Yeah, they can't say no, can they?
brian redban
There's no way for them to test that.
joe rogan
Of course they can't say no.
aubrey marcus
No, they stimulate your prostate with a large three-finger death grip.
And then if you get hard, they don't give you the pill.
brian redban
Oh, whatever.
joe rogan
I'm there.
They can't, obviously.
I mean, they're going to take your word for it.
Why would you say that you can't get hard if you could get hard?
unidentified
Well, you wouldn't lie about that, would you?
joe rogan
Nobody breaks their dick with that stuff, do they?
Can you possibly break it so that you can't get a boner without it?
You know how some dudes get addicted to those sinus sprays?
aubrey marcus
The biggest problem is the psychological addiction.
Back when we were selling the rock hard that worked...
Back at Fleshlight because it had Viagra or Cialis in it or whatever it had in it.
I don't know.
But back when it worked, there was people who would take it and they'd start off with a girl, right?
And they'd be hooking up with a girl and they'd be like, oh my god, you're a god among men.
And then they'd get that in their head.
And then if they didn't have it, they would start to panic.
And then their brain would start to take action.
As soon as the brain...
joe rogan
Isn't it crazy how different you can get excited for one girl over another?
Like there are some girls, and we all know them in your life, where when you're around them it's just like instant flagpole.
And then there's other girls where it's just, just for whatever reason, they can look just as pretty, they can be just as nice, they can be just as attractive, but there's some freak connection you have with certain people.
unidentified
I think it's the smell.
brian redban
I think it's the juice.
joe rogan
Really?
Do you think so?
aubrey marcus
Pheromones, yeah, I think so.
joe rogan
Same thing, really, what you're saying is kind of true, like the juice.
Yeah, the aju.
unidentified
Their essence.
joe rogan
The aju.
aubrey marcus
Is that what you say?
joe rogan
What is that French dip?
They say aju, is that what it's called?
unidentified
Aju.
joe rogan
Aju.
I never knew how to say that.
aubrey marcus
They've done some experiments.
I know it on the other way, where they've had guys sleep in the same shirt for a few weeks or whatever, and then they have girls smell the shirts.
And they'll be very attracted to one shirt and completely repulsed by another shirt just by smelling the actual pheromones in it.
joe rogan
Well, I would lose that one.
For sure.
I fucking stink, man.
I'm going down.
I eat too much meat.
It's all coming out of my pores and shit.
aubrey marcus
I don't know.
joe rogan
I've smelled some of my clothes.
aubrey marcus
Some savage girls.
joe rogan
The worst is jujitsu.
Because you sweat so much and then you take your shit off and you throw it in your gym bag.
And then you throw your gym bag in a trunk where it cooks.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because it's 110 degrees in LA. So you're driving around with your gym bag cooking in the trunk.
And then you pop that bitch open and unzip it.
And it's just like...
And ammonia, and funk, and that's where there's a lot of skin diseases that people get from that stuff, because they don't wash those things enough.
And essentially, you're rolling around in microbes, and bacteria, and shit.
aubrey marcus
And the worst part is not when it's fresh.
Like, fresh sweat is not the worst.
joe rogan
Right.
aubrey marcus
Same as fresh urine.
You can drink your own fresh urine all the time.
joe rogan
Believe me, I know.
aubrey marcus
But if you leave a cup of that urine out for a day or so, don't fucking drink that.
That's poison.
I would agree with you.
Because it's like a breeding ground for further bacteria.
Same with your gym clothes.
joe rogan
I would agree that is sound advice.
Don't drink old piss.
That should be a meme.
That's the next meme.
But you, Uncle Aubrey says, don't drink old piss.
Hear it on it.
We don't recommend drinking your own piss when it's old.
brian redban
Stir it first.
aubrey marcus
So I'm thinking of trying to do an Amanita muscaria experience.
And I'm thinking I'm going to eat it and then drink my piss and see what's up.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's what you're supposed to do.
I would say no.
What?
Let's say don't do it.
brian redban
Just try it once and then...
aubrey marcus
I've got to try it.
I've tried everything else.
joe rogan
For real, folks.
This is the shamanic tradition.
I know you're listening to this and you're like, there's no way these guys are serious.
No, the true shamanic tradition is...
It was explained to me by this guy, Jack Herrer, and he said that the idea is that you eat the drug, the plant, the mushroom, which has a very different, it's not psilocybin, it's some other type of hallucinogenic.
aubrey marcus
What you're shooting for is muscimol.
The active compound is muscimol, and it acts on a very different mechanism, actually.
So the mechanism of action of Amanita muscaria, it actually acts as a GABA agonist.
So it's going to give you more of the neurotransmitter GABA, whereas psilocybin, the mechanism of action that they're recently finding, which I learned a lot about at the MAPS conference, is the mechanism of action of psilocybin is it's actually restricting blood flow to your default mode network part of your brain, which is your top-down control mechanism in your brain.
So that basically your mental cerebral filter that allows you to focus on the day-to-day mundane tasks starts to go to sleep.
And that happens to be the center that controls depression and a bunch of other things, which is why the clinical application is proving so important and impressive in all these people.
But that's a totally different mechanism of action than the Amanita Muscaria, which is basically flooding your brain with more GABA, from what I understand.
But the muscimol is a tricky beast, and it doesn't necessarily come out through your gut.
However, once it gets processed through your kidneys and you piss it, It can be passed up to five times, they say, through different people.
So, like, I could piss, and then you could drink it, you could piss, give it to Brian, he could drink it, and then Brian could give it to two other people, and everybody would be high as fuck.
joe rogan
Wow.
aubrey marcus
That's what they say.
joe rogan
How would they know?
How would they know?
Why would they find out?
What are we doing with our lives?
We're sitting around drinking each other's piss to get high.
What are you seeing, fairies?
unidentified
Cocksucker?
joe rogan
Drinking piss and watching Pluto?
aubrey marcus
You're supposed to be kind of like a little bit drunk and a little bit like a little bit High, like a psychedelic?
joe rogan
I only had one experience and it didn't work.
aubrey marcus
You didn't drink your own piss.
You gotta commit.
You gotta go in.
You can't just put the tip in.
You gotta go balls deep.
joe rogan
Is that how it works?
You're supposed to just eat it and then drink your own piss and that's what gets you high?
aubrey marcus
I mean, there's some ways that I think you can heat it and lightly bake it.
I don't know.
But I think the surefire way, if you really want to commit, is to eat it, then drink your piss, and then you can, you know, But you'd feel so stupid if it didn't work.
That's true.
joe rogan
Sitting there with piss mouth and not high and just thinking, what kind of a loser am I? I should just become a Republican.
Okay, I should just go the other way and get single malt scotch and sneak in some Cuban cigars and just become an asshole.
brian redban
You should have rented a movie.
joe rogan
But if it works, sitting around eating mushrooms and drinking piss, what the fuck am I doing with my life?
He got a dirty garage.
I was going to get to that, but I had to eat mushrooms and drink my own piss first.
I'm a fucking real winner over here.
aubrey marcus
I'm going to film it for all the savages.
Because it is perfectly legal in the U.S. Amanita muscari is not a scheduled substance.
So the reward, if it works and it was awesome, is pretty cool.
Because we'd actually have something legal to do.
joe rogan
Yeah, and you're just going to encourage people to do that?
aubrey marcus
No, I'm not encouraged.
Look, please, let me be the guinea pig here.
I don't know.
It could be terrible, but I'll let you know.
brian redban
You have to post it if it's bad also.
You have to have a post of it if you're sitting there just like, oh, with pissy mouth.
joe rogan
Just mad at myself.
aubrey marcus
Just self-hate.
Just feeling the lowest of the low.
joe rogan
I've never met anybody who's had a good one, who's had a good Amanita muscaria experience.
Not that I can remember anybody telling me about one.
They've always said, like, oh, it didn't work for me.
aubrey marcus
Yeah, I met somebody who had a...
Weird one and a not so good one.
brian redban
Bad odds.
You just want to drink pee, bro.
joe rogan
Weird and not so good, but there is piss drinking, so come on!
Join the party!
aubrey marcus
You know, there's such a tradition around it, though, you know?
joe rogan
Not only that, we can all drink each other's piss.
Come on over here.
Aubrey's got it all figured out.
aubrey marcus
You just got to get it fresh.
joe rogan
See?
One guy pisses into you, and then you piss it in.
No, no, no, see?
That's not how it's done.
brian redban
I forgot to bring cups.
I thought how it works.
joe rogan
I just piss in your mouth.
Is that what we're doing here?
aubrey marcus
Straight from the spout.
joe rogan
What kind of party are we doing here?
aubrey marcus
It's the freshest way to get it.
joe rogan
We're pissing his ass.
I'll piss in your mouth.
We're going to work this out.
We're going to get high as fuck.
brian redban
The human dick-a-peed.
joe rogan
The human dicker, Pete.
That is exactly what it would be.
brian redban
He's trying to trick us.
joe rogan
And when you stumble upon this fucking party, open up the tent door, what the fuck?
Just piss all over the place, a bunch of guys with their cocks in their hands.
We're just trying to get enlightenment.
aubrey marcus
But imagine if it does work and you get someone really high and they love it, then you could trick them constantly.
There you go.
I just took some.
Here's my piss.
joe rogan
You just get him to drink it.
unidentified
Oh, God.
aubrey marcus
You're like, I don't feel it yet.
joe rogan
Nothing but vitamins.
brian redban
It's too much cum in this pill.
aubrey marcus
I don't feel it yet.
Here, let me piss some more.
joe rogan
Why, that tastes like total primate care.
Maybe some T-plus.
Did you pack it like a musket?
Did you pack the musket cock?
unidentified
Why is Dr. Laser wearing lipstick?
joe rogan
We need to call Dr. Lazer and ask him how many of those books behind him he's read.
Because it's driving us crazy.
I picture Dr. Lazer, he's got those old school books that nobody really reads.
aubrey marcus
But he's old.
He's read them.
joe rogan
I don't know.
unidentified
That's the best way to finish that saying, I don't know.
aubrey marcus
But he does have the brain surgery kit from Napoleon's field doctor.
unidentified
Holy shit.
aubrey marcus
That's in his office, yeah.
joe rogan
They had a brain surgery kit back then?
aubrey marcus
Yeah, just like big saw.
It looks more like woodworking equipment, but like really finely crafted made woodworking equipment.
unidentified
Jesus Christ.
aubrey marcus
Things that like crack things, things that saw things.
joe rogan
Oh my God.
aubrey marcus
It's pretty intense.
And he actually uses it.
Basically, he has his patients walk by it, and if they get queasy and they can't handle it, He's like, nah, you're not the person for me.
Because he's a tinkerer.
I mean, he's going to go in there and actually cut your head and do some work.
That's what his specialty is.
He's done like 3,000 open skull surgeries or something like that.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
aubrey marcus
Yeah, he's an OG. He's cool.
joe rogan
Holy shit.
Yeah.
Can you imagine working on 3,000 brains?
What an incredible power that must be to those guys.
That they can fix someone's brain.
aubrey marcus
Mechanically.
joe rogan
Cut out your cancer and fix your brain.
And then send you back to live a healthy life.
aubrey marcus
Yep.
And he did it.
I met one of the guys that he did that for.
This guy is one of his patients, and it's pretty remarkable.
Went through there, did the brain surgery, and that's actually how I met Dr. Lazar.
He did the brain surgery, then he took a bunch of the ingredients we have in AlphaBrain, too, and he recovered way fast.
This is, of course, just one story, but he recovered super fast, and that turned Dr. Lazar on to the potential for these herbs to work in conjunction with what he was doing on the brain.
So that's how we kind of got Got hooked up.
joe rogan
That's interesting.
Did he ever talk to Romanowski?
aubrey marcus
No, he hasn't.
But we talked about that a little bit.
I think it's actually in the long interview that we have up there.
But, yeah, the brain damage issue is pretty serious.
I don't think he's ever been hooked up with Bill, though.
joe rogan
Yeah, well, Ramanowski, that's why he created that Neuro One.
That was the first nootropic that I'd heard of.
We were on No Name and Alice, or Alice and No Name.
brian redban
Sarah and No Name?
joe rogan
Sarah and No Name, rather, on Alice Radio.
Yeah.
Anyway, and No Name, I forget his real name.
I always called him No Name.
How weird is that?
Cool guy.
Anyway, he was training with Bill Romanowski, and Bill Romanowski got him to start eating healthy and started giving him this Neuro One shit.
It's a nootropic, but it's also got a little bit of caffeine in it.
Pretty interesting stuff.
And he developed it because of concussions.
aubrey marcus
Makes sense.
You've got to feed back the brain when it's been deprived from getting swollen.
Swollen and pushed up against your skull.
Not a good program.
joe rogan
I was at a neurological research center today, and one of the things that these people were telling me while they were there, I was there for this silly TV show, but there's people that take their kids there.
Like if the kids are involved in football, and they have football injuries, and they're talking about it like these kids are like 15, 16 years old and just have these massive concussions.
And the father's just like, well, when can you get back in there?
And the mother's like, is he gonna be okay?
The mothers are concerned.
That their kid is getting really badly hurt, and the fathers, they want them to get back in there.
It's weird.
She was describing it to me, like, you know, these situations that she's dealing with with these fathers and these kids, and she's like, it's really creepy.
Because these kids don't know any better, and they're just running.
Their dads want them to get back in there.
They get concussed.
Do you understand what that is?
Do you understand what getting shut off is?
Running at each other?
Colliding heads?
Do you know?
Whoa.
aubrey marcus
Man, in the brain there's so much more we still have to learn about it.
Did you happen to see that thing on 60 Minutes where there are people who are now able to control prosthetic limbs with their thoughts alone?
Did you see that?
So basically, they hook up these arms.
Now, the first version, prototype, was they hook the arms up and they actually hardwire it somehow into the nerves, but it's still their thoughts that can allow them, like, they can shake hands with people just from, like, their brain telling this completely prosthetic arm to shake hands or, like, grab a ball.
They can tell if a ball is hard or tell if a ball is soft just from feedback.
It's bilateral.
So it's not only their squeezing, but their fingers...
Can give signals to their brain and let them know if what they're squeezing is hard or soft.
So it goes both ways.
And then they figured out how to hook it up wirelessly so that they can actually control arms that are not even on them.
And they can make those arms move just with their thoughts.
This was on 60 Minutes like a week ago.
I was fucking blown away.
joe rogan
So like an avatar type of thing.
aubrey marcus
Totally.
Well, not that fast, but the first steps, like the big baby steps towards that.
joe rogan
Wi-Fi.
Doing it with Wi-Fi.
aubrey marcus
Yeah.
joe rogan
What is that?
brian redban
Do you remember that?
That's the old experiments where they pretty much did shit like that.
joe rogan
Let me see.
Oh, those Russian...
Oh, don't show me this.
The dog head one.
That shit ain't cool.
I don't even know if that's real.
Is that real?
brian redban
Yeah, it's real.
joe rogan
I don't want to believe that's real.
aubrey marcus
Yeah, it was a cool segment on 60 Minutes.
Literally, like, probably two weeks ago.
joe rogan
Wow, that's fucking freaky.
aubrey marcus
The crazy part to me was the fact that it was giving them signals back from their fingers to their brain.
That was what really blew my mind.
I mean, I guess the whole thing did.
Just the fact that you think of this brain and thoughts as this kind of nebulous thing, but it's actually...
It is a signal.
There is some kind of electrical signal that they can...
Get a machine, program a machine to receive and respond based upon a thought, a willful action to do something.
It can pick that up.
I don't know how the hell that happens.
joe rogan
And imagine, if they can do that now, imagine what a thousand years from now is going to be.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
We probably will be able to just lie in bed and send our robot out to do everything we need to do.
Drive the car, you know, and we look through its eyes as it drives the car.
We look through its eyes as it goes to the supermarket, picks up groceries.
We're just sitting at home, beating off, beating off, pretending for this person.
And the robot wanders through the fucking town, does all your tasks, come back home, and you never leave the house.
aubrey marcus
Yeah.
But imagine, and then the application for sports, there's been a couple movies like that, but you could go full, let's say you created this kind of android creature that you could control with your mind, you could go full gladiator style with net and trident, sword, and just have the most brutal, obviously it would be expensive because machines are expensive, whatever, but it'd be sweet.
It'd be crazy.
joe rogan
Playing bumper cars with a Ferrari.
aubrey marcus
Yeah, that's true.
unidentified
That's true.
joe rogan
You wouldn't want to just take your fucking awesome robot body and Torture it.
aubrey marcus
Fight people with it.
joe rogan
Yeah, no, don't do that.
But I bet, you know what they would do?
You know how people play The Sims?
aubrey marcus
Yeah.
joe rogan
I bet they would play like a real live version of The Sims, just to let their human body go out there and interact with all these other robot bodies.
You know, they take their body, they lie down, and they look through the body, or look through the eyes of this thing, and then send it off, like it's a little game.
And you send your robot out, and your robot goes and fucks other robots, and parties, and your robot's an animal, and he drinks and drives, because he doesn't even live in the real world.
He lives in this fucking crazy robot world.
aubrey marcus
And then we realize that's what's already happening, and we're the robots.
unidentified
The TV has turned us into robots.
brian redban
I keep on thinking simulation theory shit, like your inner voice is actually you in the future, like talking to yourself.
Or something like that.
joe rogan
Could be, right?
I think everybody knows, especially when you're an impulsive fuck.
Like, I know you are.
And I am.
And you've been too, son.
We've all been a little impulsive.
And there's always, when you're about to do something, and there's that voice that goes, don't fucking do it, dude.
You gotta listen to that voice.
unidentified
Always.
joe rogan
That voice is always right.
aubrey marcus
You know, there's like a weird rush on the other side, too, that tells you not to do it.
Like, it's gonna feel good.
You know, like, when you're about to, like, If you're about to yell at somebody and you know you shouldn't, there's pretty much no reason ever to yell at somebody.
But when you get this kind of energy that comes up and it feels like it's going to be good to release it, what the fuck is that?
joe rogan
That's you protecting yourself.
aubrey marcus
But why does it feel good, though?
joe rogan
It feels good because sometimes people need to be shown that they're cunts.
It's like an evolutionary response.
The only way people learn how to behave is by feedback.
The way they learn how to be harmonious with their fellow brothers and sisters of the world is by feedback.
And when you're not good at it and you get bad feedback all the time and you don't adjust, that's like a sign of mental illness or stupidity or a lack of education or lack of Someone explaining or your own personal critical thinking involving the way the world works.
But for most people, as you get older, you get way better at communicating because you've gone through this feedback loop several times and you sort of stabilize it and you know what people like and what they don't like and you know how to get things off on the right foot and how not to and it's like sort of easier to navigate.
aubrey marcus
But the key there is not to become completely enslaved by the feelings and thoughts and the kind of world around you so that you're constantly living to please what the Toltecs would call the dream, the co-created world around you.
So yes, don't be a dick.
Learn not to hurt people.
But then at the same time, Don't judge yourself according to all of these opinions that are generally wrong anyways.
People don't necessarily always want you to be your best, you know, so you gotta find your inner path as well as adjust to Guiding principles.
joe rogan
That's a real problem for young people when they're dealing with haters, like the first haters in their life.
It could be someone who's at work with you or someone you go to school with or whatever.
But it might be like the first time in your life where someone actively hates on you.
And that shit can affect you.
And I always say that it's like snake venom and that, like, having a little bit of hater is, like, good because you know how to deal with it.
And then when you get a full blast of it, you're like, bitch, I'm immune to that stupid shit.
aubrey marcus
Right.
joe rogan
You know, like, you've been bitten a few times.
You understand it.
Because people who don't have never been hated on before, like, you see them get hated on, they're like, oh, my goodness.
Just that wave of negativity that can erupt.
At any time on the internet.
aubrey marcus
Absolutely.
I felt that the first time.
Obviously in sports or whatever, you get these mild detractors, but you can always kind of...
See them.
But then as soon as I stepped into the public eye, a lot of support, a lot of love, amazing people I've met.
And then a contingency of people who hate me just despise me.
And I was looking at them like, why?
unidentified
Why do you hate me?
aubrey marcus
What is the reason?
Like, I couldn't properly deal with it, I think.
So I had to talk to as many people I could and just kind of sort it out.
joe rogan
So there's some people that are just going to be negative no matter what.
But there's also...
It's a fucked up thing, but there's a truth in that it's good to get your ass kicked.
And it's good to get your ass kicked by the internet, too.
It's good, you know?
It doesn't seem like it's good when it's happening.
And it might be completely off-base, but if it's right even a little bit, they're doing you a service.
Because they're pointing out holes in your game.
aubrey marcus
Tighten up your game.
joe rogan
Yeah, they're pointing out holes in your game.
And it might be...
It might be fair, but it might not be fair, too.
You've got to deal with that, too.
But that's part of the game.
That's part of you.
And eventually, hopefully, we all hope for some form of personal sovereignty, where no matter what anybody says about you or how anybody describes you, it's a better way of putting it.
You know who you are, and you're alright.
And all they're doing is exposing this need to detract from another person.
This need to diminish another person.
Which is a massive weakness.
aubrey marcus
It is.
joe rogan
That we've all been guilty of.
aubrey marcus
For sure.
And along with that, it's also learning to take the praise not too seriously.
joe rogan
Yes.
aubrey marcus
You can't get your tires too pumped up and really buy into that whole thing.
And, you know, that'll lead you down a stray, weird path of ego and feeding off that kind of energy.
That's no good either.
Either detractors or too much praise.
Just appreciate it for what it is.
But really judge yourself by your own criteria.
You know, you know, only you know, really, if you did your best.
If you put out the maximum effort to try and achieve the result.
And only you should be able to judge yourself.
joe rogan
Yeah, well, if you're really objective, especially.
And that's what we should all strive for, right?
Like real objectivity.
If you could really just fucking really look at what you're doing right or wrong and what you're enjoying about your life and what you're not.
Kind of get that bitch back on track.
Sometimes it's harder to see yourself than it is to see other people, which is why a lot of the most fucked up people with the most fucked up lives always want to give you advice.
aubrey marcus
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, who wants to give you more advice than someone whose life is a mess?
You know what you gotta do, man?
You gotta get together with your girl and you gotta work this out, okay?
I know you don't want to work this out, but you gotta work this out.
And you're like, are you really giving advice on relationships, you crazy fuckhead?
aubrey marcus
They say that most of the people who get degrees in psychology are the ones who are trying to work out their own problems the most...
I mean, I don't know.
That's just hearsay, but that's kind of the old maxim.
joe rogan
Yeah, I would think psychologists would do the weirdest shit when they beat off.
I wouldn't imagine that to be true.
I mean, think, what is a sexual, like one of those people that's like a sexual counselor, what do they beat off to?
aubrey marcus
They've got to be constantly analyzing.
It can't be that much fun.
joe rogan
Yeah, right?
Like, how do they really totally cut loose?
You're constantly thinking about whether or not what you did is good.
aubrey marcus
Objectivity is a real challenge and I think one of the tools that both me and you have found have been different ways to break through that kind of mental patterning that gets you in trouble.
So the tank is a great way to do it.
There's different meditation techniques that are great ways, but sometimes For us really thick skulled monkeys like myself and you and some other people when we just need something heavier to do it.
And I think that's when I've gone to Peru and done the ayahuasca or you can go hopefully somewhere safe and do a heavy psilocybin trip or find some way to actually get that part of your mind to really be objective, to kind of cut out all the bullshit and look at yourself with a true reflection.
joe rogan
Yeah, and I feel like there's certain doors that get open when you have those experiences.
And when those doors get open, it's like the whole world just takes a turn to the left.
It's just not the same world anymore.
It's just not.
And that's scary for a lot of people, man.
It makes sense.
But you've got to really look at it objectively.
And one of the things you've got to look at is...
Do you really like the world the way it is?
Are you really scared of taking a left turn into Crazyville?
Crazyville might not be that bad.
Trust me.
The regular world is crazy enough.
Take a little trip down the Leprechaun Lane and have a chat with the Pixies and the other dimensions.
It's not a bad idea.
You gotta know what the fuck is going on with your brain, though.
That's the problem.
I would never tell anybody to do mushrooms or acid, even though I have.
I would never tell anybody to do any, now, today, knowing what I know, would never tell anybody to do any psychedelic, because I don't know how the fuck their brain works.
aubrey marcus
That's true.
And then, so having, and something I always kind of reiterate, having a really good guide is important.
Someone who can not only ask you questions, but kind of look you in the eye, analyze what you should or should not do.
I mean, even the shaman's down In Peru, part of the ceremony is before you get the ayahuasca, they kind of get a sense of you.
Even if you can't speak the language, but they get a sense of you.
And you can sense crazy.
Especially, they're highly tuned to do that.
And they look at you.
As am I. As am I. Some people get a really little, tiny third of a cup.
And then they go on their way.
Because that's all that the shamans know.
That's all they can handle.
That's all they're in for.
And then other people...
You know, they'll fill that bitch to the brim and be like, come back for more if you want it.
And you drink that thick, thick brown, bittery, fiery ayahuasca into your stomach.
joe rogan
You know what I've never understood about the ayahuasca thing?
I'm going to have to do ayahuasca to learn this.
The tobacco thing.
Like, what is it about blowing tobacco smoke that activates some of the hallucinogens?
aubrey marcus
I think it has to do with your actually, your nicotinic receptors in your brain.
So there's something, you know, the DMT, the tryptamine...
joe rogan
Like a stack?
Like you're stacking these grains together?
aubrey marcus
I don't know, but you know, that's, these receptors, and this is swimming a little deeper than I probably can go, but I think it has something, you know, nicotine acts on certain mental receptors.
I think it's your nicotinic receptors, and then tryptamine acts on certain receptors.
And somehow there is a synergy there.
I haven't necessarily experienced that, but what I did experience, which is really weird, I have no very good explanation for this, but at the end of one particular ceremony, he smoked the tobacco, the shaman smoked the tobacco rustica, which is different than the tobacco that we smoke.
It's a different species of plant entirely.
So tobacco rustica, they smoked a big hand-rolled cigarette from that.
And he blew the smoke all over my body.
I didn't feel anything at the moment.
I was like, okay, well, I'm going to smell like this burnt plant.
Cool.
That's good.
But he really took care and put it on certain points.
And there's always some kind of purgative element to the ayahuasca.
But that night, I was like shitting and vomiting like there was some evil in my body that was trying to escape.
Like the most violent purge I've ever had in my life.
And it went on for hours.
I don't know where stuff was coming out of my body.
And I've done ayahuasca many times, so I know...
Do they have outhouses?
No, you have a little toilet in your place.
You have a running water toilet?
Depends.
Sometimes no.
Sometimes that's just a hole.
And sometimes you do have running water depending on where you go.
But a lot of times they don't have toilet lids because you're not supposed to sit there and really enjoy it.
You're supposed to just hover.
Blow it out and then wipe and put it in a basket.
That's kind of the general program.
joe rogan
You put it in a basket?
aubrey marcus
Yeah, because they can't flush toilet paper down the system.
But anyway, so there's some kind of cleansing aspect to it.
It doesn't make any sense.
The science, I don't know.
I don't understand.
But I know that they believe it's a cleansing aspect.
You know, ritual.
And it certainly had that effect on me.
joe rogan
Wow.
Just blows it out.
And that tobacco, it kicked it in.
It kicked it in.
aubrey marcus
Something, something.
And he blew a lot of smoke all over me.
And then the next day he sees me and he starts laughing as I'm walking, like walking by him.
He just starts laughing and he asked me, you know, how was last night?
And I had someone with me who could help me translate.
And I was like, what the hell did you do to me?
And he's just laughing and laughing and just pats me on the back and just keeps on walking.
Like, he knew that's exactly what he was going to do.
joe rogan
Wow.
So he was doing that just to get you to get rid of all the shit inside of you and throw up and clean it all out and then dose up.
aubrey marcus
Yeah.
joe rogan
Dose up with the wild dragon juice.
aubrey marcus
Exactly.
And the next night was the night that I went out and did the ride on that smoke track.
joe rogan
That makes sense.
Wow, he cleaned your system out with some smoke.
Did you hear that they found DMT in the pineal gland of live rats?
unidentified
Huge.
joe rogan
Yeah, huge.
This is Rick Strassman's Cottonwood Research Foundation.
This is something that they had speculated for the longest time, and I thought it was a fact.
I thought that they had known it was a fact.
Until Voodoo Chicken on my message board was, I think, the first guy to clue me into the fact that there's only anecdotal evidence.
And he was challenging Strassman on the message board.
Because we know that the human body produces it.
I guess they knew it was produced in the liver and the lungs.
But this is the first time they can prove...
That at least in rodents, it's in the pineal gland of a live rat.
aubrey marcus
Let's suppose it was the spirit molecule.
Let's suppose that hypothesis is true and it is some part of conducting the spirit from source into life and then back out.
Let's say that there is some activation for that.
It makes sense that they wouldn't find the active concentrations in The dead pineal glands because presumably its purpose was done there.
But to see it there in live while it's living I think is pretty cool.
It at least opens up that theory as possible.
joe rogan
One of the interesting things about taking the DMT was the shortness of the trip.
And that's the thing that people always comment on that one of the signs That this isn't a deadly drug, is how easy your body can get rid of it.
Your body can get rid of it and bring you back to baseline in 15 minutes.
Like, you're on this voyage to another dimension, and then 15 minutes later your body's like, okay, nothing to see here, we're just going to clean this up, folks.
aubrey marcus
Yeah, what'd you cook, spaghetti?
joe rogan
Come in there with a broom and sweep up all the memories of what you just did.
It seems like your body knows what to do with this shit.
It obviously makes it.
We know it makes it.
We know that.
But now we know that literally the third eye makes it.
And that's fucking crazy.
Because that's literally...
I hate when I say literally because I shouldn't have said it that many times.
That was my version of uh.
It's literally uh.
I should have said uh.
Anyway.
They've proven that, at least in rodents, this sacred of all sacred glands, this gland that the Egyptians thought was the seat of the soul, this gland that Eastern mysticism had forever connected with an eye of enlightenment, that that gland produces the most potent psychedelic drug known to man.
unidentified
That's fucking bananas.
aubrey marcus
It's pretty wild.
joe rogan
It's nuts.
aubrey marcus
It's so many cross cultures, too, that, you know, have some kind of belief in that center of your, you know, in that center of your forehead where your pineal gland is.
It's pretty unique.
And, you know, the shamans down there, interesting thing, you know, when I was reading Daniel E. Bolelli's book about creating your own religion and the distinctions between religion and, you know, what we all both feel is like true spirituality.
And some of it is, you know, it's not people telling you that.
It's, you know, feeling it.
It's feeling that kind of activation or feeling what that feels like.
And there's been times when I've been taking ayahuasca where my most intense experiences come with a really intense buzzing energy that feels like not only that part of my head, but starting there, the energy feels like it peels off my whole scalp, starting in my third eye, middle of my forehead region. the energy feels like it peels off my whole scalp, all the way to the back of my head, what they would call the crown chakra.
And I don't...
I know too much about chakras, but I know that that's what I felt.
From right here to the back of my head, it was like somebody peeled it off and it had an electric field, an electric current over it.
And when you get that feeling, you know you're in for some fucking cool shit.
That's when the cool shit happens.
That is the precursor to the craziest experiences of your spiritual life.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's a language that you can only speak with people who've had some form of experience, something, because there's a lot of people out there, and there's nothing wrong with that.
I don't think there's anything wrong with going through your whole life.
As long as you're enjoying it, why have a psychedelic experience?
If you don't want to, if you don't feel compelled.
I feel like if you feel compelled, give it a shot.
But...
When you're having these conversations and you're talking about your chakra blowing open and porting yourself to dimensions and flotillas of serpents flying above your head, I hear you.
And I'm like, yeah, wow, okay, wow, fucking A. Like, I know that really happened.
Because I've seen some crazy shit myself.
Not that it really happened, not that it's really a snake, but my point about that, where people always go, you know, if it's not real, okay, then you're doing something really infantile, okay?
You're taking something that's allowing you to go into fantasy land for a little while.
Maybe.
Or, listen, what if I could prove...
That it takes you to another dimension.
And in that other dimension, you will see things that you could not possibly have imagined.
And you will experience novelty and honesty and wisdom and love in the purest forms possible.
Like there are waves hitting you while you're standing on the beach.
If I could tell you that it was definitely taking you to another dimension, would you go then?
I don't know.
Maybe not.
But here's what I know.
Here's what I know for sure.
If it took you to another dimension and you had that experience, or if you just had that experience in your head, you still had that experience.
And it might as well have taken you to another dimension.
It might as well.
Because the same thing happened.
You saw the same shit.
You felt the same things.
You experienced the same things.
You saw it all.
It might not have been real, but it might have been real too.
It doesn't matter.
You still experienced it exactly the same way.
As if it did take you to another planet.
And you did ride around the rings of Saturn in your underwear.
I mean, it really does take you to that place.
So it might be real, it might take you to that place, or it might be all happening in your mind, but either way, you experience the exact same thing.
aubrey marcus
And it lasts, and the results there, you know, that you get from it are actually, and that was one of the cool things about going to the MAPS Conference, which is the Multidisciplinary Association of Psychedelic Studies.
They put on a conference in Oakland, and they had all of the top scientists from all these different fields of research come and present their findings.
So there's been over 80 patients clinically dosed with psilocybin, most of them in palliative care, easing the anxiety of death towards the end of life.
Amazing, dramatic stories.
You have psychiatrists in there who've been working in this field for 40 years, seeing people, and they're the ones running these Well, first of all, the funny part is it's a double-blind trial, right?
So on one case, someone is getting placebo, which is doing nothing.
And in another case, they're getting a heroic dose of psilocybin.
And the research is like, one of the problems with the study design is we pretty much know, because they're not supposed to know it's double-blind, we pretty much know when someone's taken a bunch of psilocybin.
It's not hard to tell when that's actually happened.
But they're saying that what they're accomplishing in three hours, It would have taken them three years to do back in the old paradigm.
And they're reporting these findings, and it's really encouraging.
Obviously, the Johns Hopkins study was a great study.
94% of people who took the psilocybin said it was one of the top five most meaningful experiences of their life.
I mean, really cool findings that are leading to a potential legalization of psilocybin for clinical use.
joe rogan
It shouldn't be just for clinical use.
This is what's really fucked up.
All these people that are having all these...
and all these positive experiences, that this is discounted by our government.
It shows that we're being run by a bunch of infants.
They should be experiencing it too.
You should also do mushrooms as well, so...
aubrey marcus
It should be a prerequisite for political office, for sure.
joe rogan
It's such a silly little thing.
It grows in cow shit.
It looks ridiculous.
It sounds ridiculous.
It appears in fucking Mario Brothers Donkey Kong and shit.
But...
It might be the thing that humanity really could count on right now.
It might be the thing...
If you could, like, ensure across-the-board experiences, ensure them worldwide over a week's period of time, you'd change the world forever.
And that's real.
You really would.
One gigantic world trip where, like, 30% of the population on the planet does mushrooms one day.
You want to talk about a strange world you would wake up to Monday morning?
aubrey marcus
Fuck yeah.
I mean...
joe rogan
People would be hugging people in the streets and shit.
aubrey marcus
This is a thought I've had recently.
What if all of the churches, instead of just bickering about their own dogmas and all this stuff...
I mean, they're all trying to get at the same spirit.
What if they were all churches of experience?
And across the world, there was, you know, one basic church that you go to.
And that church was a little bit of everything.
In that church, there was...
Zen meditation in one area.
There was float tanks in another area.
There was lectures from people like Graham Hancock coming through there.
There was yoga in one spot.
And then there was different ceremonial areas where you could smoke peyote and do a dance out in a...
Or you could take mushrooms in a really relaxed, encouraging setting.
Or you could do an ayahuasca ceremony with the local ayahuasca maestro.
And all of that was available to you.
So maybe you didn't go every week or every Sunday, but when you needed to check in, there was your local church.
And you could just kind of talk to some people, either listen, maybe do some light yoga, or let's say you really needed to move yourself.
And then go in and pop into an ayahuasca ceremony.
Or let's say you were feeling, you know, you got addicted to something accidentally.
Oh, well, you could pop into the aboga treatment ceremony that lasted from Sunday through Tuesday.
joe rogan
If there were real clinics like that that were run by people who really knew what they were doing, they could change the whole world.
aubrey marcus
The whole thing.
The whole paradigm shifts at that point, I think.
joe rogan
And it's there.
It's like a real thing.
That's what's crazy.
It's not like something from a Dr. Seuss book, you know, that rhymes with, you know, morph.
You know what I mean?
They took the morph on top of the orb and traveled to a fallen land.
aubrey marcus
But I am really encouraged by what Maps is doing.
Because...
They're playing by the rules.
And you think that you get nowhere playing by the rules, but in some encouraging results, both for MDMA, for PTSD, and these psilocybin studies, they're getting allowed to do the research to complete these phase one trials and actually test them on human subjects for the first time in a long time.
And that's going to lead to You know, bigger trials than the Phase 2 trials than the Phase 3. And eventually, there's going to get drug approvals for these.
Now, why that is significant is at that point, you have a massive amount of data.
You have side effects studied.
You have clinical use studied.
And if you can prove that there is an actual benefit to something, you know, it really weakens the argument for criminalization.
And then, of course, there's going to be a lot of off-label uses, doctors who are like, look, this is really helpful.
You know, just kind of like what's happened with medical marijuana at A little bit.
It's been medically legal, but pretty much that is a gateway to legalization.
But they're following the steps along the path that could potentially allow this to be legal.
There's that path, and then there's the religious freedom path.
And I think those are really the only two paths that are going to lead to fruitful and effective policy change.
joe rogan
Religious freedom is a funny thing.
It's just, I always feel like Whenever someone gets together in a big giant group and there's a few people running it, shit goes bad.
It seems very rare that anybody can keep it together.
I've been listening to Dan Carlin's Hardcore History about Martin Luther and the rise of the Anabaptists in Münster, Germany.
Whenever some new dude comes along and tries to change things and we're going to do it the right way, this is how God wanted it, it always goes bad.
It always goes bad.
Somebody gets in trouble and then they start just...
aubrey marcus
Because they realize they can fuck all the teenage girls in their congregation.
And suddenly God tells them that that's what they need to do.
joe rogan
And this guy died.
He had 16 wives.
unidentified
Exactly.
joe rogan
It's amazing.
aubrey marcus
It's always the same thing.
joe rogan
And they just chopped him apart with swords and shit.
Eventually got a hold of him.
aubrey marcus
You know what?
The other thing I've been kind of thinking about is, too, is, you know, you assume that, like some of these ayahuasca shamans, aboga shamans, different people, you would assume that by doing those psychedelic drugs, they would have straightened themselves out.
They would have straightened their morality out, and they'd be all good people.
But that's certainly not the case.
You know, there are a lot of examples of these people who are doing the medicine itself and are still completely morally corrupt.
That's so weird.
Yeah, it is weird.
But, you know, I think ultimately the power of the mind, you know, if you put your mind to it, can supersede, you know, the potential of the medicine itself.
So if you decide to override it and just use the feeling, it's almost like taking mushrooms recreationally to watch a cartoon.
You can kind of override the potential spiritual value of it and just focus on laughter and seeing colors explode on a screen in the same way that you can do it with morality, where you can take a bunch of ayahuasca and then use that, override it still with your mind and just use it to, you know, practice whatever override it still with your mind and just use it to, you know, practice whatever kind So you got to make sure you get, you know, just because they do a bunch of ayahuasca or aboga or whatever doesn't mean they're good.
You got to find the people who are on that true path, the path of light.
joe rogan
So you think what happens is probably these people grow up in this horrible area, you know, third world country, really impoverished, and they probably find out to buy ayahuasca as a way to make money because there's an ayahuasca tourist trade.
Maybe when you just reach a certain amount of fucked up, there's no pulling you back to civilization.
Maybe the way the human body is programmed to survive in horrible, destitute situations.
Really disgusting, violent situations.
The human body is sort of designed to be able to function in those environments.
It knows how to change and get wacky and crazy.
You know, knows how to deal with war.
It adapts.
It adapts and that becomes the new reality.
That becomes every day-to-day living now.
And it just seems like when you go just a certain distance down the cunt hole, you know, it's like there's no pulling you back.
aubrey marcus
That's true.
Or perhaps in other cases, I think it's happened, you know, a lot of these traditions are taught grandfather to grandson.
And I think the grandchildren start off I bet a lot of
joe rogan
their downfall is Chicks from America with yoga pants come down there and I'm just trying to get spiritually clean.
I'm just trying to open up my chakras and she's big juicy ass in yoga pants.
And she's in love with this dude because he makes the magic brew and he knows how to call the dragon.
And she's in fucking see-through yoga pants.
Do you know they just fix those see-through yoga pants?
brian redban
What took so long to fix them?
aubrey marcus
They should give them all out.
That's the only fair thing to do.
joe rogan
They should have shut the fuck up, is what they should have done.
You knew what you were doing, you dirty freaks.
What girl doesn't put those on and get in front of a mirror?
Oh my god, you can see everything!
I can't wear these!
Oh my god, you can see everything!
Should I wear these?
Would you think I was a whore if I wore these?
Oh my god, you can see it.
Can you see everything?
Am I being picky?
They talk themselves out of it.
They know that their box is just hanging out there.
And a lot of these dirty freaks would go to yoga class with nothing on.
Just these yoga tights.
And literally you could read their lips.
Literally.
I said literally five times after I said I hate that I said it.
brian redban
Literally you did.
joe rogan
Fuck, cunt.
Cunt, fuck.
aubrey marcus
Yeah, the only thing that this company should do is just hand them out for free.
joe rogan
They should just shut the fuck up.
benjamin jaffe
They should just go radio silent and keep selling them.
joe rogan
Keep selling them and go radio silent.
And they go, are these yoga pants still see-through?
Just go, huh?
aubrey marcus
Huh?
joe rogan
Huh?
It looks great in you.
Those look good for you.
Go to the dressing rooms over there if you want to get changed.
brian redban
Or if they get sweaty, you can see through them.
joe rogan
Just have a nice bright dressing room so none of those freaks can try foul.
Just let them look at your box in the mirror.
aubrey marcus
What's wrong with that?
What's a little showing off a little box?
How's that going to hurt anybody?
joe rogan
It'd be good for everybody.
That's what I'm saying.
Except shamans.
They ain't used to those American yoga freaks.
They're used to a bunch of barefoot fisherman women.
aubrey marcus
Yeah, it's true.
joe rogan
You know what I mean?
aubrey marcus
Too much to bear.
joe rogan
Yeah, those milky white skin and a big juicy booty and stretching out in the jungle floor.
brian redban
You should get yoga pants on it.
aubrey marcus
Maybe we can buy all the ones from Lululemon.
brian redban
Or maybe invest in hypercolor.
I mean, I bet that's pretty cheap nowadays.
joe rogan
Put out alpha tights.
For guys to show their cocks.
This would be the new alpha thing.
Alpha tights.
Everybody was like, why do I have to wear underwear?
I'm just going to wear tights.
And dudes would just wear tights everywhere.
But they're see-through tights where you could just really show your cock.
And that becomes a new thing.
Look, it...
I would believe that that would be the new thing before I would ever believe that there'd be dudes willing to pull their pants down to their balls and then belt them in place there and have your underwear hang out.
And this would be like a super common practice.
And then I'd be walking on the street and I'd see 5, 10, 20 young men with their fucking pants pulled down below the crack of their ass.
And I'm like, what are you doing?
Do you know how stupid this is?
So I wouldn't believe that that would be possible, and it is.
So I believe that the cock tights would be the shit.
aubrey marcus
Was it from you that we were talking about that that was part of prison culture?
unidentified
It is, yeah.
joe rogan
They don't have belts.
You can't have belts because you can choke someone and death with it.
You could kill yourself.
aubrey marcus
And so they would sag their pants for easy access for their daddies to just bend them over and fork them.
joe rogan
Well, the Booty Master, what was that guy's name?
The one guy, the Booty Bandit, who was in that Locked Up show.
Have you ever seen that show?
aubrey marcus
No.
joe rogan
You've never seen that.
Brian, please pull that up since we have this amazing internet connection now.
The Booty Bandit from Locked Up, or they also call him the most terrifying man on earth or something like that.
But he was all talking about dudes that are sagging.
And he goes, to me, that's sexy.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
He's like, that's sexy.
Like, you sag in front of me.
Yeah.
You find that?
This is, uh...
This guy's fucking terrifying.
unidentified
But when Locke visited Kentucky State Penitentiary, we met Felice Johnson.
joe rogan
The booty warrior.
unidentified
A long-time inmate.
aubrey marcus
The booty warrior.
joe rogan
That's what he calls himself.
unidentified
A very different kind of homosexuality.
joe rogan
Right.
Yeah, he does.
unidentified
But we have sexual desires, right?
So you got a bunch of men locked up in one place.
All of them get whore.
Yeah.
joe rogan
All of them's haunted.
unidentified
All of them got sexual desire.
So what are they going to do?
We won't let them have a woman.
They won't have each other.
Somebody's going to have to keep on some booty.
And it's just as simple.
The most memorable story that the police told us.
joe rogan
Look, that guy looks like the type of guy that he would lock in his cell and just fuck to death.
brian redban
Why don't they just send, like, returns, like, Fleshlight's returns, you know, refurbished ones, just send them to prison.
aubrey marcus
I think Fleshlight did talk to the penal system.
joe rogan
Booty.
aubrey marcus
They weren't down with it.
unidentified
More important than food.
joe rogan
Booty was more important than food.
unidentified
A man's butt.
aubrey marcus
No, no.
No, he had the first half correct and the second half terribly wrong.
unidentified
It was more booty, having some booty was more important than drinking water.
joe rogan
Wow.
Wow.
unidentified
I like booty.
joe rogan
Oh my goodness.
That's enough.
I've heard enough.
The booty warrior.
aubrey marcus
I was listening to my buddy Donald Schultz who was out actually and they were chasing down rhino poachers, which was a pretty crazy experience because they're going after these rhino poachers that are killing these rhinos, just cutting off the horns, selling them to China to make Chinese people's dicks bigger supposedly, which is crazy.
joe rogan
Is that really all it is?
That's what they use it for?
aubrey marcus
Yeah, that's the main thing they use it for is they grind it up and put it in dick pills in China.
And it's really the same thing that's in your fingernails.
It's collagen?
Yeah, it has no actual properties that are doing anything.
But there's all big horn, big dick.
I apologize about my bad accent.
joe rogan
Whoa, how dare you?
If you didn't apologize, you would have been fine.
The problem is you didn't own it.
aubrey marcus
But that paradigm there is one of the reasons for these rhinos getting killed.
So he goes out there.
joe rogan
That's crazy.
aubrey marcus
They end up shooting this footage, and then as they're coming up on these poachers, they get shot at.
unidentified
Wap, wap, wap.
aubrey marcus
This is all on video.
If you look up Donald Schultz, rhino, I don't know where you can find it.
They get shot at by these poachers.
And then you see them duck down like, oh shit, and they're filming this.
And then his people pop up.
He's from South Africa.
His people pop up with AKs and just lay waste to where the poachers are.
And the poachers have high-powered rifles.
These guys have assault rifles.
But they shot first at them.
And it's a shoot-to-kill policy, apparently.
But then they roll up on the poachers.
One of them's dead.
One of them's wounded.
It's this crazy kind of scenario, right?
But the poachers are in leagues with the actual police in there.
It's all...
They're paying them off.
It's all part of the money system.
So as they were leaving, they get stopped by the police, and they're looking for footage of, you know, kind of what went down.
And they hid the footage in, I think, some parachute bags or something like that.
And police are giving them hell, and they just go, you know, we're going to throw you in jail, and you're going to come out different.
And what they meant by that was that there's something called slow puncture, where they put you in a cell with another dude with HIV, and then he rapes you.
And then they let you go after he rapes you enough times.
And then you go home and you die of AIDS at home.
And they call it slow puncture for people that they can't actually press charges on.
joe rogan
Whoa.
aubrey marcus
But they want to fuck you for life.
And so they were threatening them with that.
But they held the bluff firm, got the tapes out, and have been trying to raise awareness to...
To save the rhinos, but it's a fucking crazy scenario.
joe rogan
That's scary.
aubrey marcus
Scary.
unidentified
Slow puncture.
joe rogan
Get caught in an African prison, son.
aubrey marcus
Don't do it.
unidentified
Oh!
aubrey marcus
Don't do it.
joe rogan
How fucking terrifying is that being?
aubrey marcus
And if you do, if you're about to get raped, just fight for your goddamn life.
unidentified
That's it.
Yeah.
Jesus.
aubrey marcus
I mean, there's no point where you tap.
joe rogan
You're going to war.
Yeah.
You're going to war to the death the first day.
unidentified
That's it.
joe rogan
And you're probably going to die.
aubrey marcus
You may die.
joe rogan
Most likely.
aubrey marcus
Most likely.
But go out on your shield, son.
unidentified
Go out on your shield, son!
joe rogan
Or don't go to Africa.
That's another one.
Imagine if Africa was the only place left.
Imagine if there was some crazy fucking catastrophe.
Most of the world got wiped out except the continent of Africa.
And we all hopped over there in boats from all over the world and battled it out for a chunk of the Congo.
Carve your stake in Africa.
The rest of the world is just a waste.
Just a giant wasteland.
A small...
aubrey marcus
Well, Africa's beautiful.
It's just, you know, all the people and influences and all the bullshit, all the corruption that's fucked it up.
joe rogan
There's a lot that's fucked it up.
And it's so fucked up in so many ways.
It's like, how do you bring Somalia back, you know?
aubrey marcus
Very true.
joe rogan
How do you bring Liberia back?
How do you snap those back to the standards of, you know, European cities like London?
aubrey marcus
I don't know.
I mean, the corruption is so deep-seated.
There's that problem, and then there's the, you know, kind of Middle East fundamentalist problem.
joe rogan
Sure.
It's also, like, nobody has any desire to go and use resources to help these poor people out.
These people who live in Liberia or live in Somalia or live in any of the really poor sections of Africa, like, they got a really shit-roll of the dice, location-wise.
They were born in an incredibly impoverished place.
And it's like there's got to be something that the rest of the world, like, got to, like, be honest about where these people are.
The rest of the world is like, well, you know, they can pull themselves up by their bootstraps just like we did over here in Munich.
But no, like, the infrastructure of some spots is, like, so much better to get born in those spots.
aubrey marcus
I mean, I saw when I was there in the slums, you know, you would see these shanties, these little shacks of basically...
Sheet metal, and that's it.
Sheet metal, and they kind of put it towards the ground just to keep a little sun off their head and a little bit of shade in the day.
But they'd be on hills, right?
And there's no septic system, so they'd be on hills.
So the people at the top of the hill would just be going to the bathroom in their huts, and the sewage would just slide through all of the rest of the places down underneath that.
And disease was everywhere, you see.
And it's a really intense, intense scenario.
And generally a very good people, but one of the things, and very cool people there that you meet, but one of the problems is that the best way to get ahead in Africa right now, the way to get the most money, is not start a business, be an entrepreneur, create something.
It's to get a grant.
So we have some of the brightest, smartest Africans instead of trying to create businesses.
And of course some of them do.
But I noticed a lot of really the smartest people I meet were coming trying to write grants and just trying to get money instead of focusing on starting a business, building something from the grassroots.
So it's almost like some of the help that we're providing is not really helping long term.
joe rogan
It's just I can't get the gold out.
Yeah, I can't get the gold out.
Dear sir.
aubrey marcus
You know how easy it is to get gold anywhere?
Everybody will buy gold.
So if anybody comes to you and says, hey, I just can't sell this gold, man, they're full of shit.
joe rogan
And the other one is they like to do the inheritance one.
You have to pay some legal fees.
aubrey marcus
Right.
joe rogan
Just a few grand in legal fees and the money's coming, bro.
It's going to be the craziest thing you've ever seen.
Yeah.
We never run out of money forever.
Start buying a house.
You don't even need a down payment.
Just tell them about this and you'll just take...
aubrey marcus
Money in the bank.
joe rogan
Nigerian scammers, I guess, they just got super desperado, a bunch of smart dudes, and then just hopped in and started figuring out how to scam white people.
aubrey marcus
Right.
joe rogan
oh Nigerian scams are working let's do it nobody knows shit about Nigeria they took it to the next level they pretended to be Nigerian but they're really like from Sweden or some shit go ahead I was just going to say, speaking of Sweden or some shit, I was thinking of foreign countries where this guy can go that leaked the NSA documents.
He's hiding.
You know this whole story?
aubrey marcus
Yeah, more than other WikiLeaks kind of stuff.
joe rogan
Yeah, exactly.
It's the one that showed us that the NSA has been following every phone call on Verizon.
It's been collecting metadata about every transaction you have, every...
Every interaction that you've had.
aubrey marcus
What do you think the ultimate endgame is for that?
I guess it's if anybody is a problem, they can just go back to the records and fuck you up, right?
Is that the idea?
Because they're not going to be able to pour through that data and just pick on people because someone said, oh yeah, I'm going to smoke some weed or whatever.
I mean, I really don't think that's the plan.
I think it's just they have it just in case they need a...
joe rogan
I think, yeah, that's the idea.
It's not that they want to invade your privacy, but that if you turn out to be a creep, they want it to be really easy to be able to pull out any data on you.
The problem is that it's like so Orwellian.
And you're giving people this incredible power to peer into people's privacy, and what do we lose in return for that?
Well, we really lose all privacy.
Because all privacy, when you're interacting with, unless you're talking in a closed room, and even then, if you go into foreign places that are working on secret shit, like embassies and stuff, they won't let you bring iPhones.
Do you know why?
Because you can't take a battery out of an iPhone.
Amber Lyon taught us that.
When she was working for CNN, she'd do these big-time interviews, and she would have to get an Android phone so they could take the battery out.
Otherwise, they can have that thing working remotely, and they can spy on you.
All that technology is available.
They could just set your phone off while you're hanging out in your office planning your dastardly attack on Gotham City with your fucking superhero friends or whatever, and they can record it all.
aubrey marcus
That would be less scary if every law in the U.S. was perfectly just.
There was only just laws.
You're allowed to experiment with your own consciousness.
The financial system has to be cleaned up first.
But imagine that.
I mean, all the shit that we're worried about, what are we worried about?
We're worried about, eh, smoking weed.
I guess someone could fuck you up maybe if you're being unfaithful to your girlfriend, but you shouldn't be doing that shit anyways.
But, you know, that's something that still, it's nobody's business.
But if at least the laws were just, then it wouldn't be such a pain in the ass.
But because we have all these unjust laws where we can be thrown in jail for an indefinite period of time, you know, it becomes scary for everybody.
joe rogan
Those two things you brought up, too, should have absolutely nothing to do with the law.
Infidelity or marijuana.
There's nothing to do with the law.
Law should be all about protecting people.
It should be protecting people from violence, protecting people from theft, protecting people from injustice, and ensuring a harmonious community.
And that's really what it should be all about.
aubrey marcus
If that's what all the laws were, you'd be pumped to see the cops.
You'd be like, oh sweet, the cops are here.
Awesome.
They're going to keep everything safe.
Instead of being like, motherfucker, stop creeping.
unidentified
Stop creeping.
joe rogan
Well, you know, I've been really, like I said, listening to this Dan Carlin podcast.
I've listened to dozens of them over the last couple of weeks.
And it's amazing how good we have it today, just compared to like the 1500s.
Like the way the people were living just 500 plus years ago, it's just, it's total insanity.
Total insanity.
We would be in hell if we were forced to be back there.
It was such a short period of time ago.
It's like, we...
Without a doubt, there's a lot of room for improvement in this society, in this culture.
But we're seeing an awareness right in front of our eyes that I'm not even sure if we've totally understood the impact of it yet.
Because what you're seeing with this NSA leak thing and WikiLeaks, you're seeing this forced response.
In this grand global way.
Like, they have to respond to these things in a global way.
Like, the whole UK is...
They're writing articles about it, and newspapers are writing articles about it.
Hong Kong, the fact that this guy was on the run, the FBI's looking for him.
This is a worldwide publicity disaster for the NSA. And it's been created by one person who took a stand.
And now they're going after that person as if he's some sort of a terrorist.
One person that showed that, hey, you guys are kind of violating the Constitution.
Like, what's going on here?
Do we have a Constitution anymore?
Oh, no, this NDAA thing that you fucks passed, that sort of bypassed the Constitution.
So now, all this illegal shit, or that used to be illegal, you made it legal, so you think you're doing an okay job.
Is that what's going on here?
This is clearly bad governing.
Clearly.
And I think that transparency...
It's being exhibited in like this reaction to this NSA whistleblower thing where people, you know, like the president's having to defend it now.
And one of the things he was saying, I was just talking about this to Duncan.
We were talking about how Obama was like, you know, this is something we should definitely have a debate about.
I'm definitely open to talking about this.
Well, really, why was it a secret then?
Why did somebody have to leak this?
Why didn't you discuss this with people and explain the pros and cons of losing this much secrecy, of losing this much privacy?
That's ridiculous.
There's not that many threats to this world.
I don't buy it.
I think they're doing a great job in shutting down threats.
If you stop and look at how many threats have turned into actual terror attacks, Besides the Boston one and besides a couple other ones, there's very few.
Very few.
When you compare them to actual days of the week, you compare them to actual human interactions that take place throughout 50 states and numerous cities all throughout the day, all over the time, there's very few like those shitheads from Boston.
There's very few, like, you know, whether it's a 9-11 that happened in 2001 or...
Because they can squash most of them without reading every fucking email you send.
They shouldn't be able to read everybody's shit.
That's ridiculous.
You know, I think if you could prove that you were just and that you were looking out for the best interest of man, maybe you should be able to go and like look into this stuff without a warrant.
But because it's been proven, like, the IRS goes after conservative Tea Party groups, like, much more than they go after liberal people.
They, like, they just got busted for doing that.
Like, chasing down these Tea Party fucks and making their life hell.
Harassing them.
Like, making their experience with paying their just taxes much more difficult.
aubrey marcus
Well, the beauty is that the age of information, the internet, is allowing all of these people to band together and make a force on their own.
Because back in the day, imagine if you had to gather a large group of people.
You couldn't do it.
You'd have to put out an ad, and then you'd have to get that ad approved by whatever newspaper you were going to do.
Or find a reputable news outlet that you could go tell your story to.
But now with the internet, these things can spread and these things can gather and people can communicate.
And that's a force that I don't think the powers that be are fully comprehending and are ready to reckon with.
joe rogan
Dianne Feinstein was explaining that we needed to do these things because we need to stop terrorism.
And when she was saying this, I was imagining that this person gets to speak for me.
I was imagining the ridiculousness of this person getting to speak for me, this silly person, who if there was a couple of us and she started talking, we'd be like, okay, yeah.
Stop talking.
You're talking nonsense.
Like, you're talking nonsense.
If she was just around us right now and she was explaining why that would be important, she would look like a buffoon within a couple of minutes' time.
She would be stammering.
It would be a disaster.
There's no argument there.
And there's not a single argument that you could point to where a competent society that cares about its citizens and it cares about the quality of life, which includes respect for your privacy.
That that culture would allow these ass fucks to just download every email you send.
Duncan had a great way of describing it today.
He said, could you imagine if the government in the 1960s said, hey, everybody that sends a letter through the mail, we're going to take it and Xerox it, and then we're not going to read it, but we're going to have it, and then we're going to send it back to you.
And we're going to just keep all your letters in a storage facility in Utah.
You'd be like, get the fuck out of here.
You don't get to read my letters.
Why do you need to read?
You're just...
Because when a person calls themselves the cops or the CIA or the FBI, they put themselves into some sort of a group, and then all of a sudden they believe they have power that a regular person doesn't have.
Because if there's only two people on the planet, you and Mr. FBI guy, and Mr. FBI guy is like, I believe you might be plotting terrorism, so I'm going to read your emails.
You're like, emails to who, you fuck?
It's just you and me.
No, you can't read my email.
Get out of here.
Go fuck yourself.
You're just a person.
But when you're in a group and you're the NSA or the CIA or the FBI or any fucking other three letters you want to string together, all of a sudden you have the power to go and do really rude shit to people.
And that's the problem with the big groups.
aubrey marcus
And rude by throwing them in jail indefinitely.
I mean, beyond rude.
I mean, it's rude when your girlfriend reads your phone texts, even if you haven't done anything wrong.
It's just rude.
It's rude when people dig into people I write in journals and things like that.
And one of the most sacred things to me is that nobody picks those motherfuckers up.
Because if somebody goes in and reads that journal, that means that every time I'm writing my innermost thoughts, there's going to be a little censor voice up there saying, Oh, well, what if somebody reads this shit?
I better not write this exactly how it is.
And as soon as that censor voice comes on, the whole practice of writing in the journal is fucked.
joe rogan
That's why you should always write in a journal after you beat off.
That way you're at your most honest.
You already know you're a piece of shit.
Just spell it out.
brian redban
I recently got out of a situation where somebody did that, you know, where somebody went in my phone and screenshotted every single text I have, every single photo, every single thing, and sent it to themselves.
And that now questions me when I talk to anybody, even if it's something legit.
I don't even want to type it down anymore because of that.
joe rogan
Yeah.
brian redban
I mean, there's like that program that's popular right now, Snapchat, you know, where you send the photo and then it expires in three seconds of your balls and stuff.
People found out a way to hack that now, so you can go in there and take all those photos and all those videos that are supposed to be gone forever.
joe rogan
Well, all you have to do, they're so silly, all you have to do is have two phones.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
And you take a photo of the photo, and that way you don't even have to get a screenshot.
aubrey marcus
You just fucked up the game.
There are so many...
joe rogan
It's a weak game.
That weak game is weak.
aubrey marcus
There are so many vagina shots that you just censored.
joe rogan
No, these motherfuckers are playing tic-tac-toe.
Listen, there's no girls with workable vaginas that we're going to send good pictures anyway.
It's all...
The game's terrible.
It's a terrible game.
brian redban
But that is scary, though.
If you think about it, because texting is so popular nowadays, you don't realize what you're typing to people.
You're typing secrets that only you and that person are supposed to know.
And then six months later, you lose your phone.
Or you lose your phone, and you're like, oh, look at this guy.
What are you talking about?
Oh, look at this.
unidentified
Ooh, ooh.
brian redban
You don't think of shit like that.
joe rogan
You should make your journal.
You should write it in a very specific...
Do you have those...
You know those scholastic white and black book covers?
There's like that weird pattern that they had and it was a hard cover.
aubrey marcus
Like TV that was...
joe rogan
Well, you should only write in those, right?
And write my journal.
And then make up a dummy one with one of those ink bombs like they have for bags that they give away during bank robberies.
And once you open some of your shit, blammy!
Right in the mug.
aubrey marcus
Purple mug all over your face.
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah.
Green with envy and rotten desire.
unidentified
Boom.
joe rogan
Just you fucking green fuckhead all over.
aubrey marcus
I like it.
joe rogan
Dirty green, like a rotten, stinky green.
Or not.
Or don't write ridiculous shit down on paper and leave it around your house.
If I was staying over your house, I'd probably fucking read it.
If I went to use your bathroom and I took a leak and I was like, what is this motherfucker writing?
And I'm on the shitter reading it and you're like, why are you still in there, man?
Oh, dude, I'm constipated.
And then you realize that your book is in there and I'm reading your book, most likely.
aubrey marcus
Don't leave your journal in the shitter.
joe rogan
I only have books in the shitter if I'm not taking my kale shakes.
Because if I'm on a regular kale shake program, the way I describe it is like a tunnel and then those zombies from World War Z are running down the tunnel just all stacking on top of each other.
That's what the kale shake is.
It just fills up your entire pipe.
With a thick, green, gooey substance, because I down about 30 ounces.
And then those motherfuckers just push everything out, and it's a wild ride.
Yeah, man, you know what, dude?
I told you someone on the message board actually found out how much of that shit is in kale, as opposed to other things.
Celery has more than kale.
brian redban
Yeah, well, the doctor said that.
The doctor said that while he was here.
I feel good when I... The doctor.
Not the doctor.
joe rogan
Dave Asprey?
brian redban
Dave Asprey.
unidentified
You call him a doctor?
brian redban
I didn't mean that.
joe rogan
How dare you.
brian redban
But he said that on the podcast, but it still has a lot in it.
joe rogan
No, I don't think he said that.
I think he said celery had less, actually.
Whoever corrected him online, apparently they corrected him.
What he said was incorrect.
It was just a misdate, whatever he said.
But the way to combat that, apparently, that's effective, is calcium.
And adding calcium to your kale shake is supposed to offset the effects of any of that acid.
aubrey marcus
Take your nightly TPC. It's got it in there.
But what I was going to say is people discount the feedback that you're getting from your body yourself.
You feel good when you have a kale shake, right?
You can feel it.
If there was something poisonous in that, I really trust that the body would be like, yo, don't drink this.
brian redban
It's pussy feels good as regular pussy.
joe rogan
No, it doesn't.
It's supposed to be really warm.
brian redban
Yeah.
aubrey marcus
But, you know, I mean, people, it's the same, I mean, you can apply that same if you really kind of pay attention to those signals coming back.
You can learn a lot from that.
And that's, you know, with this, you know, the earth-grown nutrients thing that Mike Dolce is always preaching about, you can tell the difference.
And then you get these weird kind of ideas.
I mean, I like a lot of the Asprey principles about high fat, but if you take some of that stuff too literally and start hammering, like, lots of butter...
And you just don't feel that great all the time, you know?
But if you're following a more kind of common sense and just listening to the feedback from your body, I tend to trust that more, just kind of feeling what feels good.
joe rogan
Yeah, but it's also good to have some real science and knowledge behind it too, which I think Asprey, you know, he takes a lot of heat, but he knows a lot of shit.
And he's not a professional.
So if he gets something wrong occasionally, you've got to realize that guy also runs an IT company.
People are always accusing him of trying to hawk his items, which he definitely is over-bulletproofing everything.
I asked him if he had a bulletproof wife, if he goes home to his bulletproof marriage and has bulletproof sex.
He's just starting a business.
aubrey marcus
He's got great ideas, though.
joe rogan
He's got great ideas.
But the point is, that guy had free shit up on his website for a long time.
There's still...
A ton of free information, like really in detail, excellent stuff that he's pulled down.
He has references.
He tells you where he read it.
He tells you what it's about.
He tells you what the benefits of these certain things are.
It's really good stuff.
And I know that his He's on a quest to try to figure out the ultimate combination of foods and exercises and treatments to rehabilitate injuries.
And he's right about a lot of shit.
He gave me a great tip on that prolozone therapy for back issues.
It's fucking tremendous.
It's tremendous.
He's got a lot of real wacky ideas.
Bulletproof coffees.
Genius shit.
That's a genius invention.
aubrey marcus
It's another one of those things where you can really...
Feel it.
joe rogan
Yeah, well, combining it with fats so that it's a slow release of caffeine, that's what coffee always needed.
That's what coffee was missing all this time.
That fucking jolt that you get when you down a 20-ounce Starbucks that's black, you get that weird, shaky, like, oh, fuck.
aubrey marcus
That real druggy feeling.
joe rogan
Too much, man.
aubrey marcus
Yeah, but put some butter in there, put some coconut oil, some MCT, it changes the game.
joe rogan
Yeah, that slow release.
That's wonderful.
aubrey marcus
You know what else has really changed the game for me, and maybe I'll tell my whole hunting story too here if we want to get into it, but I went out on that hunt down in South Texas, and we got a lot of meat back from that hunt.
Every single time I have that meat as compared to some other meat, I mean, the way that I feel it digest, the way that I feel it absorb, it's completely different.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's fantastic.
aubrey marcus
It feels completely different.
And even if you're buying some kind of grass-fed cow steak, You know, this wild game that we went out and procured ourselves, I mean, it's not only delicious, I mean, everything we've had has been pretty fucking good.
Maybe one dud, but most of the stuff, we're making fajitas, we're making stew, we're making tacos, we're making steaks, we're making stir fries, and all of this shit.
joe rogan
You're making me hungry!
unidentified
I know.
aubrey marcus
It's been amazing.
But that was a really cool experience, and it may be something that we've...
I know we've talked about doing something like that for Onnit.
So really, how it could potentially work.
And it's a challenging scenario.
So hopefully, just know that we're working on it, guys, and potentially make this possible.
Because I think...
The health benefits are there, and the whole process is really valuable.
Because if you've gone your whole life, and I know you've made this pitch too, but if you've gone your whole life, and all you do is show up to the grocery store, pick some cellophane-wrapped piece of meat that all you identify is as a steak, you really don't get it.
You really don't understand what you're doing.
joe rogan
Even if you do, you don't.
aubrey marcus
You don't fully get it until you've been there inside the animal, arms covered in blood, actually cutting those pieces of meat out of something you've killed.
That changes your reality.
Then you have a full appreciation for what you're doing.
So what we did out there in South Texas is there's these ranches.
This one was 10,000 acres.
So there is a confined space.
It is 10,000 acres.
But these animals are procreating.
They're just kind of loosely measuring the herds because they're mostly wild.
The problem with hunting most native game is there's very select seasons in which you're allowed to hunt them.
So you have to really kind of stock up.
If you're going to hunt whitetail, you better be in October and you better book some shit in advance or go somewhere that's very small seasons.
So what these exotic ranches have done, if it's non-native game, you're allowed to Basically, take animals from the herd all throughout the year.
So they've gotten species of animals from different parts of the world.
And they're just, you know, that country's version of the deer.
So there's fallow deer, which come from Europe.
There's some black buck, which come, I think they're from Indonesia, tiger food.
There's some axis deer, which also come from around that area.
Black buck might be Somewhere else.
And then there's oryx and attics and all these different kind of antelope and deer that they get.
And they're just living it up out in South Texas.
The plants down there have roughly 30% protein.
And even though they're sparse, they have pretty good adequate protein.
And when there is kind of a drought, they do supplement it with a little extra food as well.
But they're pretty much just living off the land and thriving and procreating.
And so you're going down there, and not only is it like a cool safari where you're seeing all these exotic creatures, you're actually able to go out and take your rifle and hop out on some sticks or, you know, track them down in these kind of outdoor vehicles, which are like these commando-style suburbans, and go hunting for an animal that you're going to take then and butcher and have meat for.
Man, I've been eating the same deer for like three months now.
So it's a really fucking cool experience where you're out there in the land and these animals are, you know, ostensibly as wild as other animals.
I mean, they're not sensitized to the truck.
A few of the species are.
They get kind of used to the truck and that would be a little weird to shoot.
But these black bucks, I mean, I was out there hunting for the entirety of the day and I really didn't think I was going to get one.
You know, I was hoping to get one, but I kind of...
Said, you know, alright, if today's not the right day to take an animal, so be it.
So we're out cruising around, and every animal that came within about 250 yards was just scattering.
And I knew the ballistics on my gun, I wasn't going to comfortably take a shot that was over about, you know, 150 to 180. Just because at that point, my particular ballistics on the bullet, the bullet was going to drop about 4 to 6 inches.
joe rogan
So you'd have to gauge that?
aubrey marcus
So you'd have to gauge that.
joe rogan
Do you have like one of those goggles that you look through and it gives you the number?
aubrey marcus
No, I didn't have that.
So it was all by, you know, we had a guide there, and he'd be like, yeah, that's about 190. Take him out, son.
That's about 190. Get her done.
So anyway, so we finally, it's the very end of the day, I didn't think I was going to get anything, and we see this black buck doe at the very top of the hill about 260 yards away.
Instead of scattering, I was like, oh great, she's just going to run away like everything else does.
Instead of scattering away, it ran like right towards the truck for 80 yards.
So it was like at 160. And this is like right when the sun was kind of starting to set.
Definitely the last chance I had.
So I made like a quick makeshift brace.
Saw it in the crosshairs, tried to steady my heartbeat from pounding, and try to keep the crosshairs from dancing all over the thing, seeing sky, seeing ground, and then focus in, take a deep breath.
And then it just kind of turned just the right way, and I pulled the trigger.
Wah!
You know, a big blast.
And then it was just full adrenaline from there.
I saw it rear up in the air, fell to the ground, and I remember running up to it because I knew that if it was in pain, They say to kind of wait and see if it gets up.
I wasn't really down with that.
I wanted to make sure that if it was there that I could ease its suffering as quickly as possible.
So I just dropped the gun and went up there.
I knew I hit it pretty good and sprinted up.
joe rogan
Why'd you drop the gun?
aubrey marcus
It's just it was heavy and clumsy.
I had a knife on my A knife?
I had a knife on my side.
joe rogan
So you're going to do it knife style?
You weren't going to use the gun?
aubrey marcus
No.
Well, because the gun can spoil meat, right?
If you miss with the gun, you could hit a shoulder, which is going to be 10 pounds of meat.
You could, you know, miss and clip some back strap.
You could, you know, really the cleanest way to do it to preserve the meat, which is why you're doing it.
unidentified
Right.
aubrey marcus
So you can kill less animals is with a knife.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
Dude, be honest.
You were excited about killing it with a knife.
There's something about you right now that's creeping me out.
I'm thinking of you going to stray caveman, biting an ear while you saw him.
aubrey marcus
Well, I'll tell you all the emotions that went through, really, at that point.
joe rogan
Just leave out horny.
aubrey marcus
Right.
That didn't cross the path.
So we ran up there, and obviously your heart's pounding, and it's a really weird experience.
And I go up and I see it.
And it was still alive, but it was probably bleeding out.
It was definitely bleeding out.
It caught a piece of the heart, a lot of lung.
And it was definitely bleeding out, but I wanted to make sure that it didn't suffer.
But at the point that I got up there, the feeling wasn't any feeling of like, you know, it was nothing but just pure gratitude and appreciation for this animal.
And I put my hand on its neck and pulled the knife out, which is actually a very special knife to me.
It was one that my uncle gave to me before he passed away.
And I put my hand on its neck and quieted myself and then put it into the heart.
And I could feel the heart reverberating through the blade of the knife into my hand.
And I pulled it out and just kept my hands, one hand on its chest and one hand On its neck and could kind of sense the life leave the body.
And, you know, I said a little prayer, kind of avatar style.
Wrote one up beforehand.
You know, basically the idea is, you know, as your spirit goes back to the source to nourish new life, may your flesh, you know, nourish our bodies in this life.
You know, thank you, sister.
joe rogan
That's very avatar-like, dude.
aubrey marcus
That's very avatar-like.
joe rogan
If you said it next to me, I would never let you live it down.
unidentified
I'd be saying...
joe rogan
Thank you, oh sister.
aubrey marcus
That's true.
joe rogan
While we're eating it, I'll be laughing.
I'll be like, you silly bitch.
aubrey marcus
And our guide would do the same thing.
Most of the people down in South Texas.
joe rogan
The guide did it too?
aubrey marcus
No, they would say the same thing as you.
I mean, this is for me what I needed to do.
joe rogan
I thought you were saying they would say the same thing as you.
aubrey marcus
No, no, no.
Nobody would say the same thing as me.
But for me, that's what I needed to say.
joe rogan
I'm giving you a hard time, but the reality is that's a beautiful way of approaching it.
I mean, it's just something easy to make fun of, and I'm a hack.
It was right there.
I couldn't let it go.
aubrey marcus
So I look at its eyes, its face, and its face was covered in these spines.
And so I thought it hit a cactus.
And they were like all up in its eyeball and stuff like that.
And then I smell the flick.
I hear the flick of a lighter and a cigarette.
And it's our country guy.
He had like a Budweiser and a cigarette.
I don't know.
He's a South Texas guy.
He says, oh, porcupine spines.
You won't see that one time in a thousand.
And so basically, some porcupine had whacked it in the face, and the spines were working their way through its eyeball.
So it was kind of a cool feeling to know that at that point, I had taken an animal out of its misery, so to speak, too, which was not necessarily my idea.
I was going to take an animal that presented it, but...
That happened to be the one that presented itself.
But then the really weird thing happened.
I got really angry at the porcupine.
Like, my love for the animal, my appreciation for the animal was so strong that I fucking hated that porcupine.
joe rogan
Really?
aubrey marcus
Like, I felt like that was an enemy.
Like, if someone, you know, slapped your sister.
Yeah, no.
joe rogan
The porcupine, all it did is poke it in the eye.
You fucking stabbed it.
Shot it and stabbed it.
You went straight Detroit on that fucking poor deer, and you're like, cunty porcupine.
aubrey marcus
That's what's ironic, is that, I mean, I'm the killer.
I killed it.
The porcupine was just doing its thing, but I hated the porcupine like it was something that slapped a friend of mine.
joe rogan
That's so weird.
Yeah, well, I guess you had an intense experience with it.
aubrey marcus
Yeah, so then from there, we went there and skinned it.
You have to avoid the stomach, because the stomach smells like old guacamole.
It smells terrible, so I tried not to puncture that.
I got a little nick in it.
But I did a pretty good job.
And then you clear all the guts out and then cut all the pieces away.
But then we went fully from there to skinning it and then butchering it entirely.
And it was cool to feel.
The best part of the meat is the tenderloin.
That's what all this tenderloin meat is.
It's really tender.
But not until I was up in there actually cutting the tenderloin out and feeling what it felt like.
It feels more like organ meat than regular meat.
You know, did I understand, like, oh, this is a different part of the animal.
You know, this part of the animal is up inside, like, the cavity itself.
It's not on the exterior part, so it works less.
It's just different.
It feels different.
unidentified
Yeah.
aubrey marcus
And that's why it tastes so delicious.
And then the other parts, like the haunches, the backstrap, they have, like, kind of a more sinewy, grittier feel.
joe rogan
Well, the backstrap is the...
Up along the spine.
It is the loin, yeah.
aubrey marcus
No, the backstrap is right along the spine.
joe rogan
Right.
aubrey marcus
On either side, on the exterior, the tenderloin is actually up inside the animal, underneath, like you go inside the ribcage.
joe rogan
So it's connected to the backstrap?
It's another section of it?
aubrey marcus
No, it's a completely different section.
joe rogan
I thought it was the same thing.
aubrey marcus
Yeah, no, the backstrap is alongside of the spine, and then the tenderloin is up underneath There's a really cool video of a dude taking apart a pig.
joe rogan
I have it on my Twitter if you want to see it.
It's kind of fucked up.
It's on my Twitter from a while ago, so I don't know what the name of the video is.
See if you can find it, Brian, because I know you're not doing anything else.
brian redban
You want to show that on Ustream?
joe rogan
Uh, I think you can.
Dude taking apart the pig.
But my point is, when you watch it, like, you watch, like, the set, like, oh, well, there's bacon.
Yeah.
Oh, well, there's the ham hocks.
Oh, well, there's that.
There's this.
There's the pork loin.
There's the, when you're watching it, like, be dissected from an actual pig broken down, and he does it in, like, three minutes.
aubrey marcus
They're fast.
joe rogan
Yeah.
This guy just hacks through this fucking thing.
He uses a saw in some spots.
This isn't it.
This is taking apart, but this is taking apart a cooked pig.
This guy's got a raw one.
That's the one you want.
You want the raw pig.
brian redban
Gross.
joe rogan
I think this is probably...
Yep.
Well, this isn't the one that I had seen, but this is similar, where they just start slicing through, and it goes from an animal to meat.
And it makes that weird transition.
But when you kill it yourself, it never makes that transition.
Even when it's meat, it's like there's a re...
When you put that steak on the grill and you're seasoning it and you're cooking it, like this is a weird connection with that animal that you killed.
aubrey marcus
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
joe rogan
Most people don't get that, you know?
They don't ever have a chance to get that.
unidentified
Yeah.
aubrey marcus
And it's definitely something completely different.
It changes your whole opinion of the meat.
Probably there's some placebo effect in there because of your emotional state towards the animal.
But there's also...
It really feels like there's something tangible there too.
Some deeper appreciation that actually manifests.
I don't know.
Your mind is so important in so many bodily functions.
To think that your mind couldn't affect your digestion or absorption or things like that, I don't think that's unreasonable either.
But whatever it is, whether it's tangible or whether it's mental, the connection and the way that you...
You know, approach and digest, assimilate that meat, which was, you know, energy from another animal.
It's just different.
joe rogan
Yeah, and even if it's not, I mean, it is healthy, and if you think it's different, it becomes different.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
If you have this, even like, It's hard to dismiss the emotional connection that you have to it.
Because that emotional connection is very important.
It is.
Emotional connections are something that people poo-poo.
Oh, you're just emotionally attached to that.
Well, maybe it's good.
Maybe it's something that you like.
Keep that thing.
Whatever the fuck we're talking about.
Emotional connections are not necessarily bad.
And if you have an emotional connection like that, it would make the meat feel better.
Make you feel better like...
aubrey marcus
Every time we cook this deer, we're pumped.
We're excited about it.
Oh, this tastes so good!
And it really does taste good.
But just the feeling of having gone out there and caught it, butchered it, put it in our freezer, and then cooked it up, it's like a connection to something that...
Our ancestors have been doing for thousands of years.
joe rogan
Yeah, it really is.
It's weird.
Even when you're doing it in a place with fences.
aubrey marcus
Yeah.
joe rogan
I mean, it's not like going to Africa and taking out a wild zebra, which, by the way, apparently are delicious.
Apparently zebras tastes good.
I never had horse before until I went to Joe Beef in Montreal.
And they serve this horse.
Oh my god.
It's goddamn delicious.
aubrey marcus
A lot of cultures ate a lot of horses.
joe rogan
People hate you saying that, man.
They hate you saying that.
And I get it.
I've seen people on their horses.
That's like their dog.
brian redban
Is pony better?
I wonder.
joe rogan
It's probably more tender.
Smaller.
aubrey marcus
I don't know.
The Shetland ponies are little tough, right?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Anything with, like, the crazy pom-pom feet, don't eat that.
unidentified
It's probably a crazy-ass fucker.
brian redban
Budweiser horses.
joe rogan
Yeah, those are big fucking horses, too, man.
brian redban
What are they?
Chippendales?
joe rogan
What are they called?
Clydesdales?
brian redban
Clydesdales.
unidentified
Chippendales.
aubrey marcus
Those can be big stallions too, Brad.
joe rogan
Oh, you went with the gay voice.
So when you went with the Chinese voice earlier and the gay voice now, you son of a bitch.
You son of a bitch.
So what we would do if we were going to have an Onnit hunting thing is basically just use that...
Branch and you know just work it through like they could do it through us through our website We explain it maybe map out your experience Whitney's experience and yeah, I'm gonna go there soon to my experience I want to shoot a buffalo I got a bit and in people like it's not very sporting I just want to eat a buffalo and I want to shoot out of me I want to I have a giant freezer and I'm gonna set it up to eat my own meat and I just think it's the smart way to do it.
I think it's the healthiest way to do it.
And I think that wild game like that, whether it's buffalo or deer, and especially venison, I think is like the most delicious meat on earth.
Elk is absolutely delicious.
It's really the smart thing to do if you can do it.
If you have the time, if you have the finances to go to a place and hunt.
It's really the smartest way to gather meat.
It's the way we really should all do it, and if we did, we would have a totally different sense of this connection between man and nature.
aubrey marcus
Absolutely.
Yeah, and you could combine it with a lot of other cool stuff.
We could do kettlebell training workouts, mace, club in the day, get people familiarized with that aspect, have some talks and discussions about different things in the nights and make a cool experience out of it.
The problem is that you can't really get that many people with guns together at the same time.
And we've got a lot of awesome customers who want to go do this.
So it's like, can we do these things at 10 at a time every two months?
joe rogan
I don't think so.
aubrey marcus
So the scalability of the gun thing is really challenging.
But we're going to try and get some face-to-face, some kind of program.
joe rogan
I think the only thing smart to do with the gun thing is to let them do it.
Let the branch do it.
We don't have...
Because you don't want to put people with psychos.
Like, we're going to have four of you going to go hunting together.
And one guy's just shooting the ground under his feet and trying to rocket jump.
You know what I mean?
You never know what the fuck you're getting into when you meet some random strangers.
It's just, we all love Alpha Brain.
I love Alphabrain.
You love Alphabrain.
Let's play Most Dangerous Game.
Rock, paper, scissors to who gets killed.
There's a lot of nuts out there is what I'm trying to say.
But having a place where you have a gathering of the Juggalos type situation for on events.
Everybody gets together and does battle rubs until they throw up in the garbage.
Bell ropes!
Fucking shroom tech's amazing!
Chest bump and...
brian redban
Sounds like a natural progression for Ana to start hunting.
joe rogan
Well, not Onnit start hunting, but Onnit have an option where we connect you with one of those places.
aubrey marcus
It would be a cool program.
joe rogan
I would love to have a Ted Nugent style set up.
It's definitely not the same as going out into the woods of Alaska and getting a brown bear.
aubrey marcus
I think what I would call it is conscious meat acquisition.
Yes, that's a great way to say it.
You're acquiring your meat in a conscious way, and that's really it.
It happens to be at the tip of a rifle, but that's really what you're about doing.
brian redban
Do laser tag hunting with animals.
joe rogan
Well, it's a funny thing, man.
aubrey marcus
People do that with photos.
People try to get the crosshairs.
joe rogan
Yeah, they do that.
They close up on them.
It's really dangerous, mountain lions.
People try to do that, um, the, um, oh, fuck.
Photo tag?
What is it?
Laser tag is where you wear, like, a vest, right?
brian redban
Well, yeah, you could put, like, a vest on an animal, like a cat, just have a laser tag cat ranch, and you just try to shoot them, because they're fast.
joe rogan
People don't have any problem with fishing in a place where they stock the fish.
Like, nobody has a problem with that.
You go to a lake, and the fish are in the lake.
Like, oh, they stocked it recently.
It's great.
You can catch big trout.
But if you go to a fenced-in place and hunt an animal, you're a piece of shit.
aubrey marcus
Yeah.
I guess the mammal thing.
Fish don't seem...
They're so different from us.
I had a cool experience fishing, though, recently.
I've always gone rod and reel fishing.
And that's really foreign.
You're just kind of waiting around, and all of a sudden...
unidentified
Oh, shit!
aubrey marcus
And you grab the rod and you reel it in and you hope you get something and then someone whacks it on the head and maybe you pull the hook out if you're brave and sometimes you're with somebody who does it.
Whatever that whole program is, it's different.
But I went spearfishing recently, which was kind of like...
A little bit of a different paradigm as well.
That one feels a lot different.
It's like hunting but for fish instead of fishing because you're out free diving with this big wooden, you know, archaic looking thing with these bungee cords hooked to this little metal, you know, spear.
And you're free diving down, you know, 8, 10 feet and chasing after these fish and trying to spear them.
joe rogan
So is it a spear gun?
aubrey marcus
Yeah, so basically...
joe rogan
It's an old-time spear gun?
aubrey marcus
The trigger releases the bungee cords.
So you wrap these bungee cords like this.
You pull them manually like this.
And they go on this rod, and the spear slides in a groove, and the bungee cords are behind the rod.
And then when you pull the trigger, it just releases the thing that's holding the bungee cords, like a rubber band gun, kind of.
And so it releases that, and that propels the spear forward through the groove, and the spear is attached to a cord.
Right.
So the bungee cords, it's all full manual energy.
You pull the cords back, wrap it around, and then release it and the bungees go.
But it's really particularly challenging because as soon as the spear hits the water, it starts to dive a little bit.
It doesn't always go perfectly straight because of resistance.
It's not like air.
joe rogan
So how close do you have to get?
aubrey marcus
You know, good people who are good could probably do it, you know, 12 feet, you know, 15 feet, maybe even farther.
People who suck, like me initially, like, I had to get, like, right up on these fish to get them, like, 6 feet.
You know, eight feet.
joe rogan
How many did you miss before you got one?
aubrey marcus
A ton.
unidentified
A fucking ton.
aubrey marcus
I was missing them constantly.
You're swimming around, there's hard current.
But the cool thing is, is some of the fish you can catch with the hook.
Like, you can get snapper, which is really delicious.
But the guide on the boat, and I was down in Mexico doing this, the guide on the boat It was telling me that parrotfish tastes like lobster, and I should really get parrotfish.
Well, parrotfish, they have this little tiny mouth.
All they do is eat algae, and you never catch them with a hook because you can never get a hook in their little tiny mouth because you've got nothing they want to eat that's on a hook, unless you had a really algae-ed hook or whatever, but it would never happen.
But with spearfishing, you can actually target these fish, and so we got one.
Actually, Whitney got it.
I didn't get it.
I fucking kept missing it.
She was way more gangster than a spear gun.
unidentified
I'll let that happen.
aubrey marcus
But anyway, so she got one of these parrotfish, and then we brought it back to the boat, and I was really curious to eat it.
We brought it in.
The chefs cooked it right away, and it was fucking delicious.
joe rogan
Best fish ever?
aubrey marcus
One of the best fishes I ever had.
It was like a cross between a nice flaky whitefish and lobster, like somewhere in the middle.
joe rogan
Wow.
aubrey marcus
It had kind of that richer...
Kind of crustacean taste and texture.
joe rogan
I want to go there and kill one just to eat it.
unidentified
Fuck yeah!
aubrey marcus
It was so good!
We had that and I had triggerfish ceviche, which is another type of fish that you would never catch.
unidentified
Wow.
aubrey marcus
So it opens up the possibilities.
And these fish are plentiful.
It's not like they're endangered species.
joe rogan
Did you see any sharks?
aubrey marcus
I didn't.
But that's dangerous when you're spearfishing because the sharks will...
Because when you hit the fish, there's fish guts exploding out the outside.
So if there are sharks, it's not an optimal situation.
So doing it off South African coast would be a bad idea.
joe rogan
Some dude just got jacked in France on his honeymoon.
Was it a tiger shark?
I do not know what shark it was, but I do know that it was the third guy in two years to get jacked there.
aubrey marcus
Too many for my cow.
brian redban
You know what they should have?
They should have a restaurant.
They have these in Japan where it's just like this humongous saltwater pool in the middle.
Where you fish and you catch your own dinner.
And it seems like more places would have that.
Like you just have pretty much a huge aquarium and you kind of get the The fun of catching your own fish and then eating it on top of it.
aubrey marcus
Back when I was thinking of silly Las Vegas restaurant ideas, I thought of an idea where you had that with lobsters and crabs and all kinds of stuff.
And that you could tell a mermaid, someone with a mermaid fin, to go down and you'd point to the one you want.
And the mermaid would go, okay, that's the one you want.
And she'd dive down and swim and grab it for you.
And everybody could sit around the tank and watch the mermaid swim around there.
If anybody here that idea wants to take it, go ahead.
I don't need any credit, I just want to go.
Just give me a reservation.
brian redban
There's a bar in Sacramento called, I think, the Mermaid Bar, where it's just this huge, long bar, and on the top there's this humongous aquarium.
They just have hot chicks.
Mermaid outfits just swimming back and forth.
And it's so eerie to just see this mermaid chick just swimming above you.
But what sucks is everyone just sits there and takes photos.
No one's even talking.
They're just taking photos of the mermaid.
aubrey marcus
Right.
And there's no real point to it.
So it feels gimmicky.
Like if they were actually fetching...
brian redban
Fetching stuff.
aubrey marcus
Fetching stuff.
brian redban
Working for you.
aubrey marcus
Or maybe they're trying to catch shit with a net.
You have fish in there, like you're saying.
brian redban
Yeah.
They also have this restaurant.
I've been...
I've been researching a lot of things in Japan lately.
But they have this restaurant called the No Panties Restaurant.
I knew you were going to go there.
Why did I know you were going to say that?
They have this thing with a conveyor belt going around the top of the restaurant.
They just have huge dishes.
And so you just go there to your waitress and you're like, I would like that roast beef.
And then she stands up on this thing to get it.
aubrey marcus
Why'd you choose roast beef?
brian redban
Exactly.
joe rogan
And she's got no panties?
brian redban
And she's got no panties on.
And so...
There needs to be more restaurants like this in America.
aubrey marcus
I mean, if you really liked a girl, you would be constantly getting more dishes.
brian redban
More food.
joe rogan
Yeah, do you think that America's just too savage and that people would just start grabbing her and they wouldn't be able to just let her do that?
brian redban
I guess, maybe.
joe rogan
Is that what it is?
brian redban
I mean, there's not many restaurants like that in America anyway that are crazy.
Like, there's that restaurant, Dix, where everyone's, they just, like, Or an asshole to you the whole time?
aubrey marcus
I just think that it's female.
I think that most partners, most spouses in America just would not allow, would not go there and would not allow their husbands or boyfriends or anybody to go there, period, ever.
joe rogan
It's not exactly family style.
brian redban
No, but there should be more adult restaurants.
Like, have a Hooters where there's just no toppings.
joe rogan
Well, they do.
I mean, that place in Florida that we went to.
aubrey marcus
It's called a strip club, Brian.
unidentified
It exists.
aubrey marcus
They serve wings and there's no tops.
It's already been done.
brian redban
Rachel's best food ever.
joe rogan
Yeah, there's nothing wrong with looking at a little box while you're having some roast beef.
A little vagina.
Just like there's nothing wrong for the gals to go to cocks and get some chicken while dudes are swinging dicks in front of them.
brian redban
Hot dogs.
joe rogan
They really want to...
What's wrong with it?
Nothing.
There's nothing wrong with it.
aubrey marcus
Nothing wrong with it.
joe rogan
Do whatever they want.
Let them do what they want, right?
Wouldn't that be better?
And let us all decide what we actually like instead of confusing the shit out of Catholic school girls by telling them the cock is bad.
Who's the biggest freaks ever, right?
Catholic school girls.
Did you ever have a Catholic school girl experience?
brian redban
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
One of my first girlfriends.
In Catholic high school.
All girls high school.
And every girl in that class was rabid.
Rabid.
They got a hold of some cock.
As soon as they got out of school, they would just start jerking dudes off.
They couldn't help themselves.
They were in a trance.
aubrey marcus
Anytime you repress those natural instincts, you're going to get everything all fucked up.
joe rogan
It's fascinating, isn't it?
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
joe rogan
That girl was easily one of the most sexually explosive girls I had ever dated ever.
As soon as you would start making out, she would go full satanic possession.
It was insane.
aubrey marcus
She was rich with so many other emotions of sin and danger and all of these things wrapped up with an already exciting sexual experience.
It's just too much to have.
joe rogan
And we're both 17. You know, what the fuck you're doing when you're 17?
You're like just a meat machine, just moving to the whim of hormones.
brian redban
That's why I like those dick pills.
That's what happens to me.
joe rogan
It's not, though.
It's not the same.
It's not the same.
You're forcing it.
You're like, I knew it was going to feel so good.
Plop, plop, glug, glug, glug, glug, glug.
Brr.
There's a big difference between that and when you...
Do you remember those 17-year-old boners?
Those things were ridiculous.
They would hurt.
Your dick would get so hard it would hurt.
brian redban
Dude, my dick felt like it was going to blow up this morning.
joe rogan
Yeah, but you're on pills, man.
You're on some wacky fucking shit that you got at a couch store.
brian redban
I had to do the thing where I had to take a shit when I woke up this morning, so I had to have a bucket that I usually use to clean my dog so I could pee in the bucket because I couldn't tuck my dick down while I was shitting.
joe rogan
Well, you gotta learn how to have better balance.
You gotta look at it like doing a downward dog and just grab a hold of the top of the lid, you know, the top where the upper deck is, and then just bend down and push your dick down.
aubrey marcus
Yeah, but don't push your balls so far back that it gets in the way of your shit.
brian redban
Yeah, because that's going to slide right down your balls.
joe rogan
You're going to have to do one at a time.
That's what you're going to do.
brian redban
I could have.
joe rogan
You have a fucked up boner.
brian redban
I mean, when you guys shit, you can't really stop that pee.
That's like a pee that you can't stop while you're shitting because it will stop the shit also.
unidentified
You know what I mean?
joe rogan
I never thought about it that deeply, but now I am forced to.
aubrey marcus
I don't think I've ever actually shit with a boner.
Oh, really?
Yeah, I just wait.
joe rogan
Well, Brian is constantly on sialis.
He's just all day, every day, can't get rid of boners.
It's affecting the way he shits.
He's like holding it in because he knows his boner lasts for six hours.
Another three hours I'll be able to shit.
unidentified
Yeah.
aubrey marcus
So one of the stories I've been reading after reading Daniele Bellelli's book, I went back and re-read some of my biographies of Rasputin.
You know anything about that guy?
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
He had a wart on his dick.
aubrey marcus
Yeah.
joe rogan
Freak bastard.
aubrey marcus
Apparently he had a foot-long dick with a wart at the root of it.
joe rogan
Well, didn't they save it after they killed him?
unidentified
They did.
joe rogan
Yeah.
aubrey marcus
The guy, well, apparently...
joe rogan
Just pull it up, Brian.
Rasputin's cock.
aubrey marcus
Prince Yusupov was apparently...
Tried to make homosexual advances at Rasputin.
He wasn't feeling it.
Rasputin was an old, hard-drinking Siberian peasant wizard.
joe rogan
Right.
aubrey marcus
And he liked women.
And that was part of the adaptations he made to his religion, is that he always struggled with the fact that you couldn't have sex in Christianity, but he wanted to be a man of deep faith.
joe rogan
Brian, it's right there, under Google Images.
Rasputin's cocked.
They really do have it.
Holy shit.
aubrey marcus
So, yeah, he...
unidentified
Oh, God.
joe rogan
Put it up.
aubrey marcus
You would go and he'd struggle with it.
joe rogan
You're allowed to have that on Ustream.
I talked to Brad today.
brian redban
Why is that?
aubrey marcus
It looks like a potato and a banana.
joe rogan
Put that up on Ustream, please.
Look at that.
That is Rasputin's dick.
aubrey marcus
But apparently he could basically be like...
brian redban
That's so fucked up.
aubrey marcus
So he made an exception in his religion.
He saw some birds singing.
This is his story.
The birds were singing and they were moved by sexual desire to sing such a beautiful song.
And if God made the birds sing to create such a song and bring that out of them, then man's sexual desire must be for the same thing.
Had this revelation in the forest, probably eating Amanita muscaria mushrooms.
And then apparently he came across three women bathing.
And he made love to each of them in turn.
And then prayed more clearly than he'd prayed in months.
And it was solidified.
unidentified
Yeah, really, because your mind is totally clear.
aubrey marcus
So after that point, he was like, okay, God didn't strike me down and I'm praying better than ever.
So he adapted that.
To his kind of philosophy, but apparently he was kind of a bit of a hypnotist, wizard, whatever.
I don't know how far you want to go with his powers, but the reports were that he could contract and dilate his pupils at will, like through mental control, so he could do weird shit, and he had a huge dick, and would just cut a swath through all of Russia, just banging everybody.
joe rogan
Saying that, that he was able to dilate his pupils at will, it probably means he was on drugs.
aubrey marcus
Probably.
joe rogan
Yeah, most likely.
Probably.
A giant dick dude on drugs.
brian redban
And look, they didn't cut it off at the end.
Looks like they went in and kind of dug some of the dick out of it.
aubrey marcus
Yeah, what they had to do to kill him.
So, apparently, this guy used to poke him.
It's probably the ball, bro.
They're old.
A lot of people didn't like him.
They hated him.
joe rogan
Yeah, he probably fucked everybody.
aubrey marcus
There was accusations that he was fucking the Tsarita because he was healing Tsar Nicholas' son.
So all these kind of people were jealous.
At one point, he was having so much sex.
He loved drinking and dancing and fucking.
And he was in this bar and he's all haggard.
And they're like, you're not Rasputin.
And he's like...
Like, hell I'm not.
And he pulled his pants down and waved his dick around and was like, oh, you're Rasputin.
Okay, whatever.
joe rogan
Damn.
aubrey marcus
But anyways, this one guy wanted to, Prince Yusupov apparently wanted to have sex with Rasputin.
Rasputin wasn't down with it.
And the tide had kind of turned against him in popular culture and he told his family that he was probably going to die.
So they go there, and they start feeding him cyanide cakes, right?
And apparently fed him enough cyanide cakes to kill many, many people.
But that didn't work.
Rasputin got a little bit sick, and then he kept eating the cakes, and he was like, play me some gypsy music, Yusupov, and started dancing.
So they're like, oh, fuck, this isn't working.
So then they took out a gun.
Shot him in his back.
Bam, bam, bam.
Shot him right in the torso in his back.
And apparently he just roared like a bear and stared at him.
So they all freaked out.
Started kicking him and stomping him and kicked his head in.
Kicked him so hard that his eyeball fell out.
And just totally beat him to a bloody pulp.
And then wrapped him in a carpet.
Wrapped him in chains and threw him in a frozen river.
And then when they found the body washed up, he didn't die of any of that shit.
He died of drowning because they had...
The water that they saw in his lungs from him gasping for air.
unidentified
Wow.
aubrey marcus
So whatever the fuck this guy was doing, he was a strong motherfucker.
joe rogan
They were really unhappy with him.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Dude, his dick was 11 inches.
aubrey marcus
That's big.
joe rogan
And as thick as most men's wrists.
That's what it says.
aubrey marcus
Apparently the Russian women were all about it.
joe rogan
That is incredible.
The dude was just super gangster.
What do you mean it doesn't look that big?
It's bigger than that chick's whole entire head.
aubrey marcus
It's soft.
joe rogan
No, it's not.
Dude!
Oh, you son of a bitch.
I don't think you're allowed to do that.
Brad from Ustream will frown upon those kind of shenanigans.
We don't want to get them in trouble, Brian.
brian redban
Look, I think I found Bigfoot.
Look in the jar.
joe rogan
Shut the fuck up, dude!
- Dude, stop!
I've been talking to too many Bigfoot people, man.
This show has been very fascinating.
I'm learning a lot.
I can't wait to talk about it, but I can't talk about it yet.
But I'm learning a lot.
I'm learning a lot about crazy people, son.
aubrey marcus
Sasquatches, too?
joe rogan
Oh, I'm learning a lot about everything.
It's all connected.
It's all connected.
Psychic, Sasquatch, the whole thing.
UFOs.
brian redban
Do you shave all your pubes, Joe?
joe rogan
No.
No, I shave my balls.
You do shave your balls?
And I trim the upper stack.
brian redban
Do you put shaving cream on or do you just lightly glide the blade over?
joe rogan
I'm glad you asked, Brian.
I like to use a double blade razor and defense soap.
I lather up the old saccaroon-y.
brian redban
With soap.
joe rogan
Get it nice and primed with soap and then just...
The razors of today, you don't need to fucking...
Only two blades, bro.
aubrey marcus
You can go five blades.
joe rogan
I don't know how many blades are on there because I can't count.
So I just get in there, whatever it says.
You never nick it?
Never, son.
These razors are so good these days.
You're not going to nick it unless you're not paying attention.
brian redban
What about asshole?
joe rogan
I'll let that go.
Welcome to the jungle.
We got fun and games.
I don't know what's going on back there.
I leave it alone.
I wash it whenever possible and ignore it the rest of the time.
aubrey marcus
It's like a squirrel with a bullet wound.
joe rogan
I'm very happy with the balls forward.
Everything back is an outsider.
I don't know where it fits in the equation.
brian redban
Does your shit look like a rake went over it?
joe rogan
My shit usually looks like there's a lot of green in there, like chunks of leafy vegetables, until I gorge on meat, and then it becomes hard and chunky.
aubrey marcus
Brian, do you think that hairy vaginas are making a comeback?
joe rogan
They are, for sure.
brian redban
They are, but, I mean, there's two different kinds.
There's the ones that have always had the hairy vagina, and then there's the girls that recently, like, I'm taking care of this and bringing it back because...
There was one recently where it was just like, no, this is like 70s vagina that hasn't been touched since the 70s.
aubrey marcus
That's a little too much.
brian redban
Yeah, that's too much.
That's disgusting.
You know what?
I like it completely shaved.
joe rogan
Nothing wrong with that either.
It's interesting, though, what a total victory porn has had over the way women take care of their vaginas.
Complete, total victory.
aubrey marcus
They've internalized the whole philosophy.
joe rogan
Well, they had to keep up.
They had to compete.
Too many guys were, like, looking at these perfectly shaved vaginas and with girls licking them and, you know, beating off to them.
And then the women catch them, and they're like, ah, this motherfucker likes this shit.
I gotta shave it all down.
brian redban
And, like, the little Hitler ones that the girls do, that's almost like, hey, you're putting an eyelash or an eyebrow on your pussy.
That's creepier to me than having...
joe rogan
Here's the thing, man.
I never had a problem with the Big Bush.
You know, when girls started trimming it all down, I was like, yeah, I guess that's better.
But do you remember, like, when you were in high school and girls never shaved it?
brian redban
Yeah.
joe rogan
It was always craziness down there.
It was chaos down there.
And you didn't get upset, you know?
You didn't get bummed out.
You remember, like, we'd tell stories, like, dude, all the way up to her asshole.
Just hair everywhere.
Fucking hair all over her back.
And there's a girl that I dated who had hair.
She had hair everywhere.
I mean, it was crazy.
She had, like, her lower back was hairy.
unidentified
Oh.
joe rogan
You know, she was hot as fuck, though, dude.
It didn't matter.
brian redban
I could not deal with that.
joe rogan
Oh, you could have.
Trust me.
You could have dealt with it.
aubrey marcus
I'm definitely down with the whole hairy, whole thing down there.
But then the armpits still and the legs, I can't deal with that yet.
brian redban
I'm not even good with that when I see a little light fuzz on their cheek.
You know, when the sunlight hits it right?
That creeps me out.
aubrey marcus
But the armpits and like...
Even the hairy legs, not so much, but the armpits still fuck me up a little.
joe rogan
I was friends with a gal who went to an all-girls college in Boston.
I forget which one, but super, she was super left-wing, like the most left-wing person I ever dated.
Like, vegetarian, like full-on.
Her friends didn't shave their legs at all.
She didn't shave her legs either, but she was blonde, so you couldn't tell.
But her friend looked like a hobbit.
It was the strangest thing ever.
I went over to her house, her friend was Greek, and she had hobbit legs.
Her legs were just black with hair and black feet.
And I feel like a complete and total hypocrite to say there's something wrong with that.
Complete, total hypocrite.
aubrey marcus
It doesn't really fit, right?
joe rogan
It doesn't fit at all.
How dare I say anything that's wrong with that?
If that's her choice?
But, damn, it was gross.
It didn't matter.
I have no business thinking it's gross.
I'm fucking gross-er, for sure.
But it was gross.
I had to get out of there.
It was freaking me out.
It was fucking hairy feet.
It was just so weird.
They were so weird.
They were like...
They were both...
They both came from money.
Money and educated parents.
And they were just fucking fighting the power.
Tooth and claw.
And I guess I really appreciate that in a lot of ways.
Like, you know, if you have...
Really oppressive parents or very strict parents who want you very rigid in their focus.
You want to break away from that and like form completely radical opposing opinions.
aubrey marcus
Make a statement.
But when the armpit hair starts creeping, like I've been a newbie, it starts creeping over onto the tit, you know?
joe rogan
You ever did a girl with hair on her tits?
brian redban
Yes.
aubrey marcus
On the nipples.
joe rogan
Yeah.
brian redban
Yeah.
joe rogan
Big hair.
So they didn't do a damn thing about it.
aubrey marcus
But only on the nipples, right?
unidentified
Yep.
joe rogan
Yep.
brian redban
Esther had one.
Esther had one really hard.
aubrey marcus
Bringing me back to weird places here now, Joe.
brian redban
Esther had one really long and it got caught between my two front teeth and I plucked and she screamed.
joe rogan
Oh, Jesus, son.
aubrey marcus
That's not true.
unidentified
It is!
joe rogan
Wow, you just got called out, son.
You just got called the fuck out.
Now, you need to tell the truth, though.
Is it true or is it not true?
brian redban
Yeah, it's true.
joe rogan
Totally true.
Somebody is rude for no reason.
aubrey marcus
Just being rude to Brian.
joe rogan
Sorry, Brian.
aubrey marcus
I apologize.
joe rogan
No perfect person right there.
Alright, let's get the fuck out of here.
It's late.
It's 10.30.
I've been working all day, talking to crazy people.
And I talked to a senator today about UFOs.
Can't wait to tell you, but you're gonna have to.
aubrey marcus
Hey, if anybody hasn't seen any of my latest videos, I just did one on the psychedelic experience.
Pretty cool.
Please try and check it out.
joe rogan
Yeah, you're doing these Jason Silva-inspired...
aubrey marcus
Video pills.
joe rogan
Yeah, and they're fucking good, man.
What was that, the one on the psychedelic experience?
aubrey marcus
Yeah, it's just called the psychedelic experience.
It's vimeo.com slash warriorpoetus, and you can...
Check them out.
joe rogan
It's fun.
That's a very good one.
It's very fun.
I enjoy it very much.
I like that you're doing that, too, man.
And it's really easy to criticize those things.
It's really easy to mock them and make fun of.
And if you were in front of me when you did it, I probably would have mocked you a little bit.
But it's not that it's not good.
aubrey marcus
Just trying to put some info out there.
joe rogan
You're putting the right vibes out there.
And that's the problem with the right vibes, is they've been co-opted by silly douchebags.
So if you get in that mix, that energy, vibe, love mix, You can, you know, immediately, like, what?
Bitch, what are you doing?
What are you trying to do over there?
Are you starting a cult?
Are you a shaman, you fuckhead?
You know, it's like, no, you're trying to do the right thing, but there's so many people that aren't, that are mixed up in the same vein.
That's why, I mean, I hear going to Burning Man's a lot of fun.
Good fucking luck with that.
Good luck with that, because there's at least 10 dudes there that you do not ever want to be stuck talking to.
And they're in a tent right next to you.
There's at least 10 dudes.
aubrey marcus
10 dudes out of 20, I would say, at least.
joe rogan
Let's be super generous.
If Burning Man has 50,000 people, I don't know how many people it has.
If it has 50,000 people and 10 of them are just insufferable twats, why would you go?
unidentified
Right?
aubrey marcus
Maybe, because ten of them are impossible inspirations.
joe rogan
But the people that go to Bram, man, I know so many cool people that go.
aubrey marcus
There's a lot of fucking cool people.
joe rogan
Ram Hancock goes.
aubrey marcus
So you figure those guys balance out the cunts?
joe rogan
Yeah.
If you could stay with them.
Stick close to the herd.
Don't stray.
aubrey marcus
That just sounds like a lot of it.
It's pretty intense.
Just dust everywhere.
Fuck that.
joe rogan
No sandwiches.
aubrey marcus
Bartering for everything.
Probably awesome.
We've never gone.
How can we talk about this shit?
We're talking shit about something we never did.
We gotta go.
joe rogan
I'm sorry.
Listen, all of you people out there enjoying Burning Man, why are you listening to the Fear Factor guy?
Okay, make up your own mind about shit.
I don't even believe what I say.
I'm just trying to fill three hours and entertain you in some way.
And if you're tired of me, I'm tired of me too.
So it's okay.
It's all good, you fucks.
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aubrey marcus
Total human optimization, that's the goal.
And thanks to all the customers out there.
You guys are some bad motherfuckers.
You're great people.
I've really enjoyed interacting with all you guys, and I just hope that we can continue to be...
Some small part in pushing you towards whatever your masterpiece of life is going to be.
Whatever is going to help you be better.
I hope we can just play that small part and I certainly appreciate all the support we've had.
It's been amazing.
joe rogan
A massive amount of positive people.
unidentified
Absolutely.
joe rogan
You put it out there and it comes back to you.
aubrey marcus
That's it.
joe rogan
That's why...
Whatever.
That's it, folks.
We love the fuck out of you.
That's all we're trying to say.
aubrey marcus
Much love.
joe rogan
A bunch of fancy words.
It's just really this.
And a hug.
aubrey marcus
We love you.
Check me out on Facebook.
I'm super active on there.
So if you want to talk to me, hit me up on Facebook.
Facebook.com slash WarriorPoetUS.
joe rogan
And Twitter, it's WarriorPoetUS on Twitter as well.
All right, you freaks.
We love the shit out of you, and we will see you soon.
unidentified
Peace!
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