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May 8, 2013 - The Joe Rogan Experience
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Joe Rogan Experience #356 - Dan Hardy
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joe rogan
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Is it Joe?
unidentified
Yeah.
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joe rogan
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brian redban
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joe rogan
Yeah, it's early, but also I don't pay attention.
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joe rogan
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brian redban
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joe rogan
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joe rogan
Yeah.
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joe rogan
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joe rogan
Is it gone?
brian redban
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joe rogan
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brian redban
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joe rogan
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brian redban
Yeah, they're probably cool.
joe rogan
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brian redban
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joe rogan
I think Hotmail's badass.
There's nothing wrong with it.
I like the name.
brian redban
All right.
That's a meme right there.
I think Hotmail's badass.
joe rogan
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unidentified
I didn't know that that's...
brian redban
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joe rogan
Oh, that's hilarious.
brian redban
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joe rogan
That's sort of tongue-in-cheek.
But it is...
That will kick your dick right in the dirt.
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He's got two of them, this guy, Keith Weber.
One of them...
I haven't done number two, which is supposed to be even more crazy, but...
Number one, I can barely get through with a 35-pound kettlebell.
It's fucking ferocious.
But 45 minutes in, you're just ready to die.
Because this bitch gets to take breaks, okay?
He does it, he films it, and then cuts, okay?
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Like the dude had a Gatorade, got his foot massage.
Fuck you, Keith Webber.
I know you ain't that fit, bitch.
Nobody's that fit.
That shit's ridiculous.
I'm only joking around, sir.
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brian redban
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joe rogan
Angry Birds ones?
We've got a whole series of them.
I can't tell you.
I can't release any pictures, but they're going to look awesome.
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All right, you freaks.
Dan Hardy's here.
Don't talk gay shit underneath the commercial.
What are you doing, son?
brian redban
My iPad's disabled for some reason.
joe rogan
I know you're tired.
Keep it together.
Your iPad went down?
brian redban
It just says, your iPad's disabled for five minutes.
I'm like, what the fuck?
joe rogan
It's the government.
They're downloading your identity.
unidentified
Oh.
joe rogan
They saw DickPartyInMyMouth.com and they're like...
unidentified
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joe rogan
Powerful Dan Hardy.
What's up, buddy?
How are you, man?
Thanks for coming by, man.
I'm very excited to have this conversation with you.
And the internet has been abuzz.
You're a misunderstood dude, man.
Am I? Yeah, I think so.
A lot of people, especially seeing your trash talking and hyping up the GSP fight and knocked a fake tan off you.
People would think that you're an asshole.
You're not an asshole at all.
You're a super chill guy.
I don't think I've ever been around you and felt like, wow, Zan Hardy's just too much.
I gotta get the fuck away from him.
You're really easy to get along with.
You're a very friendly guy.
You just are really good at talking shit when it comes down to fight time and pissing people off.
And that really is something that people have to understand.
There's a pageantry involved in promoting a fight and in fucking with someone's head that you're going to fight.
People don't like it when other people are better at that aspect of fighting.
They get mad.
People get mad.
If you can talk mad shit about them, if they're not good at talking shit back, they go into the fight with a deficit already.
dan hardy
It's kind of crazy.
It was the culture I was brought up in.
You know, banter between teammates at Rough House is pretty much bullying.
I mean, it gets pretty serious.
I'm sure some of the guys go home and cry after the sessions.
So it's just kind of a natural thing for me.
And then when somebody bites a little bit to a comment that I made, I can't help myself.
It's too much fun.
joe rogan
English is very similar to Boston in that way.
Boston has that same real insulting style to the trash talk within sports teams and athletes.
It's just part of the whole thing.
And some people don't like it.
And I could get that.
I get that.
Some people want that zen state Anderson Silva approach where you just go in.
But people forget about Anderson Silva and Abu Dhabi.
They forget when he was fighting with Damian Maia, calling him all kinds of shit in Portuguese.
He was fucking with that dude's head while he was lighting him up.
You know?
dan hardy
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's even crazy trash talk.
The trash talk that goes on while you're kicking someone's ass.
dan hardy
I remember watching him fight in Lee Murray.
I was at the side of the cage about fighting.
And the Tony Frickland one.
joe rogan
Oh, dude, you were there for that?
Yeah, that was insane.
The people who haven't seen...
Anderson Silva became Anderson Silva when he went to Japan and when he went to England.
But England was really where it all came together for him.
Japan, he got some good fights, but he had some losses.
You know, the Rio Chonin flying heel hook.
That was weird, yeah.
Yeah, I mean, he had some good fights.
Who was that kid who was calling him?
Alex Stiebling, the kid who was calling himself the Brazilian killer.
Remember they all got pissed off at him?
Anderson, he beat him, he caught him with a high kick.
And then he knocked out Carlos Newton.
That was probably his most spectacular fight over there.
Yeah, and it was after Carlos dominated him on the ground.
Carlos was very good, very advanced at that time.
He had the most advanced ground game of guys that were fighting in high level.
And he had Anderson down, he had mounted him, and it did not look like Anderson was getting up.
But I think they gave him a yellow card or something like that.
I don't know how they got stood back up again.
I don't know what happened.
But they got stood back up again and bang!
He hit him with a flying knee and knocked him out.
And it was after that, he got his footing with a couple of good fights, but it wasn't until he went to England and fought in cage rage that that's when he became Anderson Silva.
dan hardy
He was so comfortable.
I really felt watching the Lee Murray fight that he could have stopped at any point.
You know, he was really just kind of torturing him a little bit and beating him up.
joe rogan
Yeah, he was beating the fuck out of Lee Murray.
He was fucking his legs up, man.
And, you know, Murray is tough as shit.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
He hung in there, man, the entire time.
dan hardy
He stabbed like 38 times or something.
joe rogan
Yeah, and was training six weeks later.
He made a video about him hitting the mitts six weeks later.
If people don't know who we're talking about, this guy is like really a legitimate folklore type character.
dan hardy
He's a Guy Ritchie movie character.
joe rogan
Yeah, and he's almost greater than a Guy Ritchie character because you would never believe a Guy Ritchie character really could be like a top MMA fighter and also one of the greatest armed robbery suspects in the history of the universe.
dan hardy
No, no, it's pretty crazy.
I remember sitting in traffic on the way to Cage Rage.
I had Paul Daly in the car.
Stuck in traffic, but not far from the arena.
And Lee Murray just racing up the hard shoulder in his...
I think it was a BMW or something.
Like 70 miles an hour.
joe rogan
He was crazy!
dan hardy
Did you see him falling out with Matt Lindland after that fight?
Lindland fought a cage rage and they brought Murray in to kind of hype up a fight between the two.
joe rogan
I didn't see that.
dan hardy
Yeah, Lee Murray was...
You're a fucking monkey.
You're like a fucking monkey.
And Matt Lindland was just...
He didn't even think it was real.
It was pretty hilarious.
Lee Murray's throwing stuff at him.
joe rogan
Well, he was real.
He just really was that crazy.
Every now and then, a dude comes along like that.
We're lucky that he didn't come along in the dark ages.
You know what I mean?
dan hardy
I'm sure there were people like him, though.
joe rogan
Fuck yeah, there were!
That guy would have had like the scariest gang ever.
Back when there was like very little rules, you could have swords and shit.
Oh my goodness.
dan hardy
Yeah, he'd have run like a bunch of outlaws in the forest.
joe rogan
You gotta think man, that time in our lives for the human race, That wasn't only like a thousand years ago.
That's not that long ago.
That's not that long ago.
That's so recent.
The DNA is still there.
dan hardy
Public beheadings and stuff.
joe rogan
And every now and then you get some straight lineage type shit.
You get a dude who just has basically barbarian genes and he's walking amongst regular folks here in 2013. He's not playing by any rules.
He's got no rules.
He's just going for it until he hits a wall.
Just full clip until he hits a wall.
It's important to know that it's possible that a guy like that could exist.
And people get romantic about it and upset, but you could not get upset about it today.
You can not get romantic about it today.
You could say, oh, you're glorifying something.
You're glorifying something pathetic.
What if this guy inspires other kids to live that way?
Okay, but make no mistake about it, a hundred years from now it's gonna be an awesome story.
Okay, two hundred years ago when you're not connected from now, like when we're not connected to it emotionally, it's gonna be an awesome story.
dan hardy
But we study these people now, though.
I mean, look at like, you know, like Bronson.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
A lot of folks don't know that documentary, the Bronson documentary.
It was really weird.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Chopper was really weird, too.
dan hardy
Yeah, but they're those kind of people.
joe rogan
Yeah.
dan hardy
Like, Lee Murray's got to have a movie made about him or something.
joe rogan
Oh, fuck yeah, unquestionably.
And he could fucking fight, man.
He could fight.
dan hardy
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
I saw him fight Amir Renovati, starched him.
It was so ruthless.
His right hand was fucking nasty.
He was a really, really sharp striker, really powerful guy.
I mean, he wasn't like the most technical guy, which is where Anderson picked him apart.
dan hardy
Such fast hands though.
joe rogan
He was very fast and very confident, very confident.
You know, it took a guy like Anderson to sort of pick him apart, a guy who just was Clearly, Anderson's on some next level in every department.
He's on some next level physical shit.
He's on some next level mental shit.
He's on some next level confidence shit.
He's on some next level success shit.
tj kirk
He really feels like he's magic.
joe rogan
He feels like he can go in there and just do shit to people.
He can, and he does.
You're right.
It takes a guy like that to do that to a guy like Lee Murray.
When you see Anderson at his best, it's one of the weirdest things, because you can't believe a guy can do what he just did.
When we were there in Brazil and he fought Stefan Bonner, dude, that was like I was watching a movie.
The guy just put his back to the cage and let him tee off on him, and then brought him back in, got to the center and brought him right back in, puts his hands down, stands right in front of him, and then when he decides to strike, throws him to the ground and buries him with one knee.
And you're like, Jesus!
dan hardy
But it was like the Forrest Griffin fight, though.
He'd been baiting him to overextend on his punches all the way through the round, and then as soon as he did it and crossed his feet...
That was surreal.
joe rogan
Yeah, he's a master.
He's a real master.
dan hardy
It's kind of an honor to be around witnessing it live.
joe rogan
Yeah, I agree.
It's an honor to be able to call it, for sure.
It's really shocking.
His abilities are very shocking.
But you know, one day we're going to look back at him and we're going to look at some new guy.
Just the way people used to look at Sugar Ray Robinson and Roy Jones Jr. Sugar Ray Robinson was amazing.
But I think Roy Jones Jr. in his prime would have lit him up like a Christmas tree.
I don't think he would have even been able to fuck with him.
He wouldn't have been able to find him.
dan hardy
But then look at Mayweather.
As much as I disliked the guy.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Beautiful boxer.
dan hardy
Yeah, amazing.
joe rogan
The problem with Roy was all that John Ruiz fight.
He went up in weight and won the heavyweight fight.
dan hardy
That documentary was good, though.
Did you watch it?
joe rogan
What is it?
dan hardy
The documentary about his training for that.
joe rogan
Oh, no.
No, I didn't.
dan hardy
It was really interesting.
He got this little old white dude doing all his strength and conditioning.
joe rogan
Was it Mackie Shillstone?
Mackie Shillstone is the guy who trained Michael Spinks for his heavyweight fights with Larry Holmes and then again for Tyson, I think.
Yeah.
dan hardy
I remember watching one of the HBO shows with Roy Jones preparing for a fight and it was when I was training at Legends and there was this shot where he was training to run DMC and he's doing his shadow boxing to the rhythm of the music so I immediately downloaded Run DMC and started doing it at the gym in the ring at Legends.
It was a good time.
joe rogan
Yeah, he worked with Roy Jones.
dan hardy
Yeah, he was an interesting character.
joe rogan
Well, it's interesting because what happened was then Roy, he looked spectacular in the Ruiz fight, but then he drops down to fight Antonio Tarver.
He has to lose a lot of weight because he's a 205 pound, 206 pound guy now.
I mean, he was a small heavyweight, but I think he still got above 200 pounds, which to drop all the way the fuck down to 175 again, that is a big deal.
dan hardy
It is.
joe rogan
It's way easier to talk your body into getting bigger than it is to talk your body into getting smaller.
Like, you have to fucking starve yourself.
dan hardy
Especially in a sport like boxing, where you've got to continuously work for a long period of time.
joe rogan
Yeah, he looked completely different in that fight physically.
Like, his body looked deflated, you know?
Like, cutting weight like that, it just ruined him.
And then he got knocked out by Tarver, and then he got knocked out again, even scarier, by Glenn Johnson.
And those fights, I think, are a direct result of him weakening himself.
to drop down to 175 pounds or a direct result also of whatever the fuck he took to get up to 200 plus pounds not being in his system anymore and his system crashes.
Which is what happens, especially if you're like in your late 30s and you're a pro athlete who's getting head trauma on a regular basis.
Those are all things designed to lower your testosterone.
All those things.
You know, it's almost like nature has it set up like you can only get hit in the head so many times for it to start, okay, slow the fuck down, bitch.
Jesus Christ.
Like literally slows down your testosterone from head trauma.
It's like, look, we've got to figure out a way to stop getting hit in the head and maybe this asshole is just fucking...
Too aggro.
Nature doesn't know that you got a fucking fighting career to think about.
dan hardy
Yeah, I hated watching him fight Calzaghe.
joe rogan
Yeah, did you?
dan hardy
I don't particularly like Calzaghe either, and it was just rough to watch.
joe rogan
He's a shell of himself.
He's a shell of himself.
I don't think Calzaghe could have hung with Roy when Roy was in his prime.
When Roy fought Vinny Pazienza, it was the first fight ever recorded where the opponent did not land a single punch.
He went through a whole round boxing with Vinnie Pazienza.
When Pazienza was in his prime, And Pouncey ends up swinging for fucking fences and getting nothing for a whole round.
dan hardy
Wow.
joe rogan
I mean, that's insane.
You're both punching and this guy hits you 60 times and you hit him zero.
That's insane.
dan hardy
We should get Anderson Silva to break that record.
Like number of punches missing in a round or something.
joe rogan
What you need with an Anderson Silva, you're going to need a Roy Jones type dude to beat Anderson Silva.
dan hardy
Yeah.
joe rogan
You're going to need a guy who's got that kind of butt with Muay Thai.
Those guys are out there, man.
They're out there.
They just gotta put it together.
We all knew, like, you came up doing martial arts a good portion of your life, right?
So you must have went to karate tournaments and saw those few young kids that weren't super talented, where everybody was like, God damn!
But sometimes they never come to fruition.
They never become the martial arts legends that they could have been.
dan hardy
In my experience with that, though, people that find it that easy and pick it up that quickly usually lose interest.
joe rogan
Isn't that weird?
dan hardy
Yeah.
It's kind of frustrating.
There's only very few that stick with it.
joe rogan
Yeah.
dan hardy
And that's when you get someone like Anderson Silva.
joe rogan
Or Jon Jones.
dan hardy
Or Jon Jones.
joe rogan
Yeah, there's those guys who have that lethal combination of, like, dedication and that freak.
And freak bodies, man.
So people can do some freak shit.
There's certain dudes that are like, John Jones can do some freak shit to people.
You know, like, he can, you know, he's spinning elbows, people in the head, he's giant, you can't get a hold of him, he out-wrestles everybody.
dan hardy
He's all limbs, though, isn't he?
joe rogan
He's all limbs!
dan hardy
I can't imagine, I can't imagine throwing any strike at him that wouldn't hit something sharp.
Doesn't he?
joe rogan
Yeah.
dan hardy
He'd be like kicking a bag of wrenches.
joe rogan
Yeah.
He's fucking scary right now.
Dude, he's scary right now.
He's on this next-level scary shit right now, where he's just, like, so confident, just decides to maul Chael Sonnen.
dan hardy
He's like 15 or something.
unidentified
He's like...
joe rogan
I think he's just turned 24 or 25. I'm getting old, man.
Yeah, well, it is a young man's game.
dan hardy
It is.
joe rogan
What is this condition that pulled you out of your next fight?
dan hardy
The wolf heart thing.
joe rogan
What is it called?
brian redban
Is that like a baboon heart?
unidentified
Yeah, it's exactly the same.
joe rogan
What does it mean?
dan hardy
It's called Wolf-Parkinson-White Syndrome, but I don't have the syndrome because I've never had any symptoms.
I only have pattern, which means that I have a second heartbeat, but It's never caused a problem.
joe rogan
You have a second heartbeat.
dan hardy
Yeah, well basically, you know, in the center of your heart, you've got like the regular pacemaker.
It's a bunch of cells that, you know, they create electrical impulse to keep the heart beating.
And with WPW, people have other cells in the upper parts of the heart that do the same thing.
And usually what they would do is they go in, it's called an ablation, they kind of go into The femoral artery and they can burn them out and stuff.
But people have that done when they have symptoms, when they have palpitations and dizziness and people have panic attacks and stuff.
I've never had anything.
Nothing at all.
So what they're telling me at the moment, I've got to go back and get some more tests done for a second opinion with a different person.
But basically, the way I understand it right now is if I want to continue fighting, to get cleared I have to have the ablation.
But because I've never had any symptoms and I'm perfectly fine, I don't see the point in letting someone go and start burning my shit.
joe rogan
Yeah, that sounds like something they were probably not going to do in five years.
They're going to go, well, back when we used to go in there and burn it out, we realized that's actually a mistake.
That was actually, you know, the human body figured it out and everything was cool and running smooth and we were being ridiculous.
dan hardy
I mean, if it was causing a problem, and that's the solution, then I would have it done, but it's not.
joe rogan
So their concern is that if they license you, and this is a potential issue, a health issue?
dan hardy
Well, there was that soccer player a few years ago.
I think he played for, like, Chelsea or something.
And he had a heart attack on the pitch and died.
He was, like, 28. Really?
And basically, the problem is that the main heart rate can only go up to about 220 beats a minute.
But the secondary cells that produce the second heart rate, or the heartbeat, is...
That's limitless.
That can go to whatever.
If I'm at 12 minutes into the fight and I'm full of adrenaline and completely exhausted and my heart rate can't keep up, there's a potential for the other one to take over.
joe rogan
And it can give you a hard time.
dan hardy
But the chances decrease after 25 and the chance of it happening is 0.6%.
So, you know.
joe rogan
Well, you also have like a really low resting heart rate.
dan hardy
Yeah, 42. That's very low.
It was when I got the tests.
joe rogan
Michael Bisping is like 34. Yeah.
That's insane.
That's incredible, man.
dan hardy
He doesn't have to feed his brain though, don't forget.
joe rogan
Oh, no you didn't.
dan hardy
Bisping knows I'm kidding.
joe rogan
He might have like the lowest working heart rate, you know, the resting heart rate of anybody in the UFC. Yeah.
dan hardy
That's pretty impressive.
joe rogan
That's work.
You only get that from work.
dan hardy
He's that kind of guy though.
He's always like switched on, you know what I mean?
joe rogan
That's a fit motherfucker.
It's very interesting what you said about natural talent and the guys with natural talent.
Oftentimes they're the ones who, for whatever reason, don't work as hard.
dan hardy
Well, Bisping was that guy that had the talent and he's just a natural fighter.
His whole family are just tough guys.
I mean, I started training with Mike before he even had his first fight.
Um, and I was training with his coach and his coach had actually invested money in like bringing him down to Nottingham to train to like, cause he was a DJ at the time.
I don't know whether most people know this, but you know, DJ Mikey B. And, um, you know, he was like in that, you know, the, the, the dance and the rave scene and he was, you know, all that kind of stuff, the glow sticks and shit.
Um, yeah.
So, so my instructor like, like bought him a car and bought him down to Nottingham and like, Fed him and stuff with the intention of making him an MMA star.
unidentified
Wow.
dan hardy
Because he had this natural ability.
And he is.
He's just a tough guy.
joe rogan
He's a very tough guy.
You knock that dude out, he gets up, and he's like, I want a rematch.
Immediately.
It's pretty interesting.
That guy doesn't lose any steam if he loses.
He just goes back to the drawing board, dusts himself off, heals up, and has exactly the same style the next fight.
Even better.
dan hardy
He's got a sprinkling of that barbarian in him.
joe rogan
Fuck him!
There's a lot of that shit out there, man.
A lot of that barbarian blood.
It's out there.
So, what are you going to do now?
dan hardy
Well, I'm going to go back and get some more tests done.
Lorenzo has a special cardiologist that he wants me to go and see, so I'm going to get that done and just kind of see what my options are.
I don't see the point in having a surgery done if I have to have it done to carry on fighting.
joe rogan
It seems scary.
dan hardy
It just seems pointless to me, especially because, you know, like...
joe rogan
Is it risky?
dan hardy
Well, the problem is that they don't know whereabouts in my heart it is.
joe rogan
Oh, Jesus.
They've got to go look for this.
dan hardy
They've got to go look for it.
So they didn't say they could fix it.
They said they want to study it.
joe rogan
They want to study it.
dan hardy
They want to study it.
And they wanted to study this four weeks before the fight.
So they wanted me to go in and have something put up the inside of the artery of both my legs and one into my neck so they can go in and try and find it.
joe rogan
They put you under while you're doing this or you're just chilling?
unidentified
I don't think so.
joe rogan
Oh, what the fuck is that, Dan Hardy?
dan hardy
Like an experiment.
joe rogan
How's that possible?
You just lying there?
dan hardy
I think so, yeah.
joe rogan
That's not cool.
dan hardy
Yeah.
joe rogan
That is so not cool.
dan hardy
So the guy was like, oh, so we'll do that, and if we can find it, we can fix it, and then you'll be able to, you know, take a week off and then go back to training.
joe rogan
Who the fuck thinks you can just chill while they send these, like, wire worms up your arteries?
brian redban
Fuck that.
joe rogan
To peek inside your fucking heart.
brian redban
My dad said he had to get that thing up his penis hole.
When you turn a certain age, I think it's 60, you have to get that in your penis.
dan hardy
I love the artery.
joe rogan
Definitely.
dan hardy
But I've had people tweeting me and stuff, and they're like...
You know, my six-year-old had it done.
Stop being such a pussy.
joe rogan
Oh, how dare you?
brian redban
We have more time.
joe rogan
There's people that just can't wait to be cunty, Dan Hardy.
And you've got to feel sorry for them.
dan hardy
I'm like a magnet for them.
joe rogan
Of course!
You're a brash young man.
You talk a lot of shit, and that's one of the things that people like about it.
It generates interest.
You know how much hate Chael Sonnen must get?
All day, every day?
dan hardy
Yeah.
joe rogan
All day, every day, his Twitter must be a mess.
dan hardy
Yeah, but he's got the bank account to match it, though, so it's all right.
So that's the problem with me, you know?
joe rogan
Yeah, he really talked himself into some great situations.
He's the best shit talker ever.
He's exciting to watch.
I love interviewing him at a weigh-in because I know he's going to say some crazy shit.
dan hardy
That's the kind of shit that's going to go down in history.
joe rogan
Fuck yeah!
dan hardy
I always remember one line he said when he was preparing for Anderson.
I'm not sure which time it was, and he said, he is the champion, but I am the best.
That's a great line.
I want to use that every day at some point.
joe rogan
And he's so good even after he loses in selling another fight like that.
Just think about what happened.
The dude got starched by Anderson Silva, and then he says, you know what?
Anderson Silva is only the beginning.
I'm going to go after the light heavyweight champion.
All of a sudden, he's fighting the light heavyweight champion.
He goes from losing a shot at the middleweight belt to fighting for the light heavyweight belt.
That's impressive.
Dana's like, he's the one who asked for that fight.
I understand that.
dan hardy
He is a politician.
joe rogan
Yeah, I understand that he's the one that asked for that fight.
unidentified
But that's, I mean, you got to respect the guy's ability to sell shit.
joe rogan
I mean, he can sell a fucking pay-per-view, man.
I mean, the dude just lost to Anderson Silva and there was white people all over the world convinced that he had a shot.
dan hardy
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
There was white people all over the world.
We're looking forward to him winning, you know?
He's such what a character.
What a funny, smart guy.
dan hardy
He's the kind of guy that could knock on your door at like 8am and you wake up out of bed all tired and shit and then next time you close the door and you bought three vacuum cleaners and stuff.
joe rogan
Yeah, no kidding, man.
But he can fight, too, man.
He can fight.
It's just, he ran into two buzz saws.
Two of the greatest fighters of the generation.
Anderson, I mean, look what he did to Anderson in the first fight.
You can't take that away from him.
Even if Anderson was injured, that was an incredible performance.
He was minutes away from winning the title.
He fucked up in that final round.
But he was real close.
dan hardy
Do you think he carries that with him though?
Do you think that...
joe rogan
Well, it's hard to say he doesn't.
It's harder to say he doesn't than to say he does.
To say he does, you get all this evidence.
The polyphilio fight, this fight, but...
The other thing is, first of all, he's just playing at a real high level.
And this kind of shit happens.
You're at a real fucking high level.
And if you look at how it happens, in every other fight, it happened in a way that sort of makes sense to him.
Like Anderson Silva caught him with a triangle, that sort of makes sense to him.
He missed that spinning back fist, then he got caught, that sort of makes sense.
But the Jon Jones fight didn't make any sense.
The Jon Jones fight was a mauling.
Jon just took him down and mauled him.
And I think that was the most disappointing for him.
dan hardy
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because he's a very good fighter, man.
If you look at the way he submitted Brian Stan, that's a scary dude.
Chell Sonnen's a beast.
dan hardy
Oh, yeah.
No doubt about it.
joe rogan
But those A guys are just a step better.
And that's what it is.
It's just a step better.
That's all they need to be.
dan hardy
So what's your opinion on fighters accusing each other of using steroids?
joe rogan
Well, I think we both know that in every sport in the world where there's money involved, people are going to do everything they can in order to be victorious.
That is just the way it is.
There are people who hold principle higher than they hold money, and I know for a fact I had a long conversation with John Fitch once about it, and John Fitch, I guarantee that guy never used anything, ever.
He's just, for him, it was a principal issue.
But that's not everybody.
We both know that's not everybody.
A lot of guys have used stuff.
A lot of guys have used stuff, and they've said, well, you know, I'm just trying to get over an injury, and I'm just going to use it to get over this knee injury.
Yeah, that too.
You're doing that too.
But also, look, you realize when you're around a certain, around a Certain amount of, like, really strong wrestler-type dudes, you go, okay, there's nothing I can do to keep this guy off me.
I gotta get fucking stronger.
Period.
If I want to stay in this game, I gotta get stronger.
I don't know how the fuck he got that strong, but I gotta get stronger.
And it's really hard to get stronger naturally, quick.
Naturally, the shit takes years, you know?
It takes, like, four or five years to put on a good 20 pounds of, like, real raw muscle.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Or we can do it this way.
And everybody's doing it.
And then you go, okay, everybody's doing it.
dan hardy
You know, people can kind of justify it to themselves because other people are doing it.
It's like everybody enables each other.
joe rogan
Yeah, I don't think...
I think there's certainly an issue and there's certainly a discussion to be had.
And especially for testosterone replacement therapy.
That's a big one.
That to me is a big one because that one, for a lot of folks who don't know, like young fighters in their early 30s even, even some guys younger than that, take testosterone, which is really kind of crazy.
Your body should be producing testosterone in healthy quantities like deep, deep into your 30s.
It starts to drop off when you start hitting 40. If you're like...
brian redban
But very slowly, because they're very small numbers.
joe rogan
Yes, and if you're fit, and if you're eating healthy, and if you're sleeping right, you should be okay.
So when you find guys that are like 30, and they're taking testosterone replacement therapy, you go, okay, what are you doing?
Because what you're doing right now is you're putting testosterone into your body that doesn't exist.
So does it not exist because you've been hit too many times?
Which we both know is also a real possibility.
In fact, this guy, Dr. Mark Gordon, who worked with James Toney, he's done a lot of work on that, showing how traumatic brain injury to both soldiers and people who do extreme sports, that traumatic brain injury has a significant impact on your body's ability to produce testosterone.
brian redban
So I could knock the testosterone out of somebody.
joe rogan
Like a little girl.
dan hardy
Joe Sutton's picking that line up.
joe rogan
It's not a situation where it happens in one night.
It's a situation where you're beating yourself up.
You know, I've never fought an MMA fight, but I've watched you guys train, and I see the amount of hours that it takes in a day to do a real proper six-week camp.
And for folks who don't know, it's insane.
It's insane.
It's fucking madness.
And I think some guys think the only way they can get through that is with some help.
Because if you don't get through that, then what are you going to do when you get in there with a guy like GSP when you know he has gone through that?
You're like, well, fuck.
You're doomed.
You're going to keep up with him for a little bit, but eventually he's going to steamroll you.
There's just no getting around it.
If you don't do what everybody else is doing, how can you compete?
brian redban
Unless they dress like an alien.
joe rogan
With GSB. Oh, with GSB. GSB has this thing about aliens.
He's terrified of aliens.
Yeah, I wonder if he hates fighting dudes with alien wear on their trunks.
brian redban
I know.
unidentified
What if it was just alien wear the whole time?
joe rogan
Just a big marketing scam.
brian redban
He's getting hired.
joe rogan
Alien wear sponsors a lot of fighters.
Maybe GSB has a deal.
You can't have them wear that thing on their pants.
They wear that thing to scare me.
No, no.
brian redban
Have you rewatched that?
Rewatch it.
joe rogan
It's so interesting.
It's amazing.
He's awesome.
I love that guy.
He's awesome.
That was a beautiful interview, man.
It really was.
He's a guy who kept his humility better than any champion I've ever seen.
It's amazing.
dan hardy
I've been up to Montreal a couple of times to work with him.
The first time I went up there, I didn't know how they were going to receive me.
I did say a few things about people in this camp during the preparation.
joe rogan
To knock the fake tan off the line was fucking outstanding.
dan hardy
Thank you.
They asked me to go up for a week to spar with him and I thought they were just going to take me in to beat me up a little bit and throw me out.
But I was up for it anyway.
It was going to be an experience.
And when I got there, everyone was really cool.
Oh, that's great.
Yeah, it was really cool.
And GSP is by far the most humble and deserving champion I've ever met.
joe rogan
Weird, right?
dan hardy
Yeah.
joe rogan
There's no one like him when it comes to MMA champions.
He's a sweet guy, real nice to people.
dan hardy
And he handles it really well, his lifestyle.
He gets a lot of attention all the time and it's exhausting.
joe rogan
And he still, no matter how much attention he has, he's still the same guy.
He doesn't fall into it.
That's a real issue with folks.
They fall into that.
They get caught up.
dan hardy
It was kind of funny going up there the first time because I still had a Mohawk the first time.
He goes out most nights.
He loves to be out in clubs and stuff.
He doesn't drink and any of that.
But obviously you can imagine how much attention he gets in Montreal.
joe rogan
Right.
dan hardy
So he's walking through the club and everybody looks over and staring at him.
And then they notice me behind him and they're like...
The look of confusion on their face are like...
joe rogan
Like, we got hoodwinked.
These motherfuckers like each other.
That's funny, man.
That's funny.
Yeah, you know, it all trickles down from the top.
That Ferasa hobby guy.
That's a smart dude.
He is.
dan hardy
He is.
joe rogan
That's a very, very smart dude.
Very clever.
And the way he runs his show is no bullshit, you know?
dan hardy
And John Danaher as well.
joe rogan
Fuck yeah!
dan hardy
People don't talk about this guy enough.
joe rogan
You're right, you're right.
dan hardy
In the hotel that I was staying at, my room was opposite his.
So, like, he was the last person I'd see before, like, heading to bed at night.
We stood and had long conversations in the corridor.
The guy's fascinating and really, really strange.
joe rogan
Really, really strange and really, really fascinating.
We went to dinner with him, me, him, and Eddie Bravo, like a Denny's or some shit like that, and we just broke down the universe together.
John Donaher is a beast, man.
dan hardy
He's amazing.
joe rogan
He's so, so fucking smart.
dan hardy
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, and that's actually how I wound up doing Taekwondo with George.
dan hardy
Okay.
joe rogan
And teaching him how to throw the turning sidekick correctly.
It's from John Donaher.
Like, Donaher was asking me if I knew any high-level Taekwondo guys that can teach George the proper mechanics of the spinning back kick.
unidentified
Okay.
joe rogan
And I felt like such an asshole saying, like, yeah, I can judge how to do it, right?
You know, it sounds like such a Hollywood douche move.
Like, oh, yeah, you know, you're going to teach George fucking St. Pierre how to throw a kick.
But to his credit, he actually listened to me.
Like, I couldn't believe he tried it, you know?
Because I wouldn't have listened to me.
I'd be like, yeah, bitch, all right.
I'll go watch you kick a bag, you fucking fruitcake.
Fucking actor weirdo.
George was super humble and eager to learn.
He's a really unusual dude.
It's weird how many different...
The way people perceive MMA fighters or even jiu-jitsu athletes or kickboxers, the way people perceive people who compete in combat sports and the way they really are, it's so different.
Like, my favorite people, some of my favorite people of all time that I've ever met have been fighters.
Because there's something about the type of character that you need to have to be able to test yourself in such an extreme environment.
Like, that's a rare quality.
It's a very rare quality.
And some people mistake it with being a barbaric thing because they think that somehow or another we should not be violent because violence is bad.
And even though it's a competition and they both agree to do it and they can be respectful, it still seems like it's anti-societal.
But they don't understand.
They just haven't experienced anything really intense themselves and known that there's only one way to develop real character and have confidence in that real character.
You've got to put yourself in fire.
dan hardy
That's why a lot of MMA fighters are interesting people.
After a certain amount of time of being in the gym and being so focused on yourself, you become very self-aware.
Usually from that comes a lot of self-confidence and just being very comfortable in different environments, which usually means you stand out because you put that out there when you walk into a room.
joe rogan
And you're not worried about physical confrontation anymore, so you calm down.
dan hardy
But you also don't feel like you have anything to prove either.
joe rogan
Exactly.
And that's the real issue with a lot of guys, is the need to prove dominance, the need to prove.
But guys who have had martial arts backgrounds, they don't have that need.
They can chill, they can relax.
They're way easier to be around.
dan hardy
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, I've never seen shit start up between, like...
Maybe Brazilian dudes have.
Maybe some Brazilian dudes have jumped each other.
dan hardy
I was watching a video the other day and Vanderlei Silva was in it.
It was two guys fighting in the dressing room.
joe rogan
Yeah, Vanderlei Silva and Charles Crazy Horse Bryant.
dan hardy
No, it was two other guys and Vanderlei was cornering one of them.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah, that was Cristiano Marcello.
dan hardy
In a triangle.
joe rogan
Yeah, he got him in a triangle and put him to sleep.
But it was Charles Crazy Horse Bryant.
And Crazy Horse actually got up, the legend is, and sucker punched Vandelay and knocked him out cold.
And it was right before Vandelay was supposed to fight Ricardo Arona.
dan hardy
Yeah.
joe rogan
And Vandelay literally got knocked out, woke up, and sent out to, if you're going to believe, Charles Crazy Horse Bryan.
Which, I wonder if he's telling the truth, man, because Crazy Horse was nuts.
And he could knock a motherfucker out.
He had a serious punch.
Crazy Horse could punch fucking hard.
Enough to easily knock on a 185 pounder if he sucker punched him.
dan hardy
Did you ever see that fight where he tore that stuffed bear apart in the corner?
unidentified
Yeah!
joe rogan
Well, he would get to the top of the cage and do backflips off the top of the cage.
He was like the first dude doing that.
dan hardy
Or like sit on the top, sit on the corner post.
joe rogan
Yeah, just jump up and sit up there during the fight.
He would sucker punch guys like in the middle of a round.
Just wham!
And just knock them out cold with like a punch that you don't think should land.
dan hardy
Head full of gold teeth.
Yeah.
And a balacalava when he's doing his interviews.
Remember when he was fighting Mishima and he was calling him Mishimash?
Just his eyes showing and gold teeth.
joe rogan
Who was the fighter that while the referee is reading the instructions, he's like mugging to the camera with his big giant smile and gold teeth.
He was another character right out of a fucking movie.
dan hardy
Yeah, he was.
joe rogan
Constantly getting arrested.
I hung out with that dude.
Me and him and Eddie Bravo hung out with him and his girlfriend.
We watched some fights together.
It was when K1 did an event in, I think it was K1, did an event in Hollywood, in some soccer stadium, some outdoor stadium.
And just by chance, we sat right next to each other.
I had a great time with that dude.
That dude was hilarious.
We were just laughing at everything.
He's a wild motherfucker.
dan hardy
It's kind of cool sometimes when you get exposed to one of those people just for a few hours.
I had a car journey from Hollywood to Temecula and back with Mayhem.
joe rogan
Yeah.
dan hardy
And it was, like, one of the most high-speed, scariest rides I've ever been on.
Like, he's, like, sitting in the driver's seat with a shirt with, like, guns all over it and a big chain with a gun on it, sunglasses on, and he's just, like, speeding, and every now and then he's, like, police track thing will beep, and he'll, like, hit the brakes, and I'm like swerving in and out and talking 100 miles an hour.
And it's like two hours from there, isn't it?
So I have four hours of that as well as a training session in the middle.
I was exhausted by the time I got home.
brian redban
You're lucky to be alive.
dan hardy
I needed like three days.
joe rogan
I hung out with Clay Guido one weekend in Chicago and he took me to my show.
He insisted on taking me to my show.
So it was me and him and Eddie Bravo and Clay Guido was driving.
Clay Guida drives like he fights.
He drives exactly like he fights.
unidentified
Just sitting there going, whoa!
joe rogan
Like, I trust him.
I think he knows what he's doing.
brian redban
Oh, Sam Tripoli?
I just got back from driving with him.
joe rogan
Oh, no!
You let Sam drive?
brian redban
He is the scariest, man.
He's just, like, side-swiping cars while texting and talking on the phone.
joe rogan
Oh, you let him text and drive?
brian redban
He was just out of control.
It's so funny, man.
I was scared out of my mind.
That's...
joe rogan
It's fucking bad, man.
brian redban
I know.
And I gave him my car to drive up to San Francisco.
I was like, I didn't know how bad it was.
And then when I was up there, I was like, oh shit, he has to drive home.
And I was like, oh please, Tony, just please drive most of the time.
joe rogan
Oh, that's hilarious.
So they drove your car up?
brian redban
Yeah, and back.
joe rogan
Oh, wow.
Goddamn, that's a long ride.
How much is a Southwest flight?
It's like 100 bucks.
You cheap fucks.
brian redban
No, it was like, I spent like $500 round trip for going up there for some reason.
I don't know if it was because of Cinco de Mayo or whatever.
joe rogan
Probably right.
They jack up rates when shit like that goes on.
brian redban
And Southwest doesn't go direct to San Francisco.
joe rogan
They don't?
brian redban
No.
Isn't that weird?
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's crazy.
I know they go to San Jose.
brian redban
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's not far from San Francisco.
You could do San Jose, and then you drive for like 30 minutes.
brian redban
Well, I was going to do Oakland, but you have to take that stupid thing underneath the ocean.
I was like, you already scared me enough to never do that.
joe rogan
The BART? Have you ever done the BART in San Francisco?
We were filming Fear Factor in Oakland, and I ate I had a pot cookie or something in my hotel room, because I was hanging out with the crew, and they were really cool guys.
But, you know, I was like, I have this cookie, and it would probably make it more interesting to hang out with these people.
I take this, it's not an insult, but they were straight is my point.
I couldn't say, hey, who wants some pot cookies?
They'd be like, oh, not me.
Oh, no, no, no, you're not going to get me to eat that.
What are you, crazy?
I don't think so, pal.
brian redban
Oh, you meant straight like they don't do drugs.
joe rogan
Yeah, they don't fuck around.
brian redban
I thought you were pissed because they were straight.
joe rogan
No, yeah, I was like, well, I couldn't have gay sex with them.
No, they were straight arrows.
Like, you could offer them a drink.
Yeah, I'll have a margarita.
You know, they get crazy.
I'll have a margarita.
But if you're like, who wants to eat some hash?
unidentified
Fucking get the fuck away from me.
joe rogan
So I ate this pot cookie, and I get on this BART thing, man, and I am flying.
I just totally over-modulated.
Sometimes you just don't know what the fuck you're eating.
You just eat one, and it just puts you almost in another dimension.
It's like your face is under a waterfall.
You're about to peer through the other side.
You just can't quite get there, like that high.
And my ears are ringing.
I'm like, why are my ears popping?
And they go, because we're 500 feet underwater.
I was like, what the fuck are you talking about?
I would have never said yes to this.
If you asked me, do you want to go in a fucking tube that's under the ocean in a place where the ground moves, I would have said, fuck you!
I don't want to do that.
Why are we doing that?
That's like playing musical chairs.
dan hardy
You know, I can catch a train from my apartment in Nottingham.
I found this out the other day.
I've been telling everybody.
I can catch a train from my apartment in Nottingham to Saigon.
joe rogan
What?
dan hardy
Right?
joe rogan
How is that possible?
dan hardy
Exactly.
The problem is, the only part of the journey I would struggle with is the channel tunnel between...
joe rogan
Oh, Jesus, Dan Hardy.
dan hardy
Like, apparently one train has to stop while the other one goes past because the pressure would just like...
joe rogan
No!
They go under the ocean?
unidentified
Under the ocean.
joe rogan
Get the fuck out of here with that shit!
That is a movie waiting to happen.
Oh, they will tell your story for many, many years in the future.
Get the fuck out of here, man.
dan hardy
It's like a Titanic kind of movie, isn't it?
joe rogan
Fuck that movie.
That movie sucks.
You do not want to be in that movie.
You don't want to be dude in a tunnel.
dan hardy
Into concrete under seawater.
joe rogan
Just seeing the rocks tumbling towards you.
Enormous rocks with walls of water behind them pushing them.
Rocks that are thousands of pounds.
And it's a matter of 10-15 seconds before they hate you.
dan hardy
And you're so minu in that circumstance as well.
You're so insignificant.
joe rogan
You don't matter, bitch.
You are a footnote in history.
And that's a wrap, son!
Clean her up!
You're clear, Mr. Hardy.
Thank you for playing this life.
brian redban
Yeah, that's why I didn't go to that airport.
joe rogan
Good move, son.
unidentified
Good move.
joe rogan
Now that you put it that way.
brian redban
Can I bring up that funny thing that I saw?
unidentified
No.
No, no, no.
joe rogan
No, no, no.
No, because I'll get mad.
Unfortunately.
Dan Hardy, you recently went to the jungle.
I did.
I went to the jungle.
You recently had an experience in the spirit world.
dan hardy
I did.
joe rogan
Doesn't that sound like a ridiculous thing to say?
dan hardy
It does.
joe rogan
You sound like one of those bead-wearing, fucking Birkenstock-wearing assholes.
If you say something like that, like, I went to the spirit world.
Oh, yeah.
Did you?
You fuck?
dan hardy
And I do yoga like five times a week now.
I'm really not helping my cause at all.
I've got the beads.
joe rogan
Yeah, you got the beads.
There's like a certain thing to it.
It's like, it sucks when someone's faking that thing.
dan hardy
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know?
dan hardy
Yeah.
Oh, just bend some white sage and it'll be better.
It's like, you know, you can see those people from a mile away.
joe rogan
I know a guy who's like that who preys on older women.
dan hardy
Yeah?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
He's got this older woman, she's quite a bit older than him and less attractive than him, but he's young and fairly useless and like this fake guru type character.
dan hardy
You know, there's a documentary, I can't remember what it's called, it's on Netflix, and it's a guy who, he goes out to, have you seen it?
joe rogan
Yes!
dan hardy
Goes out to India.
joe rogan
No, no, I haven't seen it, but I've heard of it.
dan hardy
You've got to watch it.
joe rogan
He makes a fake religion.
dan hardy
A fake guru, yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, he becomes a fake guru.
Let's see, a documentary on fake guru.
dan hardy
I can't remember what it's called.
brian redban
Netflix just pulled the plug on like 2,000 live movies.
joe rogan
Did they really?
Why?
brian redban
Because they lost contracts with, I think it was Warner Brothers or something, but like South Park's gone.
Like a lot of shit is gone from it right now.
joe rogan
Kumar is the movie.
A true film about a false prophet.
dan hardy
It's worth a watch.
It's kind of interesting.
joe rogan
It's fucked how easy it is to trick people.
That's unfortunate.
You know, people want...
You know why I think?
This is why I think.
It's because it's an insanely rare quality to be truly enlightened or even truly on a path of enlightenment.
A true path of enlightenment.
With...
True focus and, you know, and on a path for a real, the pure sake of trying to figure out what this life is and figure out how to live this life better.
There's so few people really, really doing that, that to even, like, attempt to do it is so douchish.
dan hardy
It's intimidating to think for yourself, though.
I think that's where a lot of people fall, you know?
It's scary to think for yourself, so they want somebody else to do it for them.
joe rogan
It is, but it's also we don't like people proclaiming that there is something more grand than the rest of us.
We don't like people proclaiming that they're on the path to figuring it out where you're screaming in your car at a red light and you can't balance your checkbook.
You know what I mean?
People don't want to believe that there's a guy who really does do yoga every day and really does find his center and it's made him a more joyous person.
This is what I hear from you.
A lot of you talking about you, buddy.
That's what I hear.
A lot of you being impressed with yourself.
A lot of you fucking annoying with your flip-flops.
And that's what happens.
There's so many of those guys.
I had this Dr. Amit Goswami in here once, a theoretical physicist guy.
Genius guy.
And he was saying that sometimes people have to fake things in order to really truly make them happen.
He's like, I let people use the word quantum when I know they don't really know what it means.
But if this guy has interest in faking it, maybe it would lead to a real interest in trying to understand quantum science.
And I was like, wow, that's a fucking interesting way to look at it.
And see, like, so...
I go, so, like, false gurus and play, I go, so let them fake it.
Which I guess.
I guess.
But, you know, then they start, you know, fucking everybody's wives and...
dan hardy
Well, yeah.
Yeah.
joe rogan
Killing all the male babies.
You know?
It always goes south.
dan hardy
Always.
joe rogan
And it's always a man running shit.
Is there been a woman run cult ever?
Can you tell me that?
There's a fucking...
dan hardy
I can't think of one.
joe rogan
Just that alone is great evidence that Women are way less dangerous than men.
dan hardy
They have less of a desire to control their environment.
joe rogan
Even if you have a shitty woman boss, she ain't no cult leader.
Oprah's the closest woman cult leader.
She's the closest to a woman cult leader.
She's kind of running a cult.
She's running a cult of happiness amongst women over 35. A Chardonnay cult.
A Chardonnay cult!
Yeah, that's her shit.
I guess she could run a cult.
But there's not a lot of women who could pull that off and run a cult.
dan hardy
Imagine what the world looks like from her perspective.
joe rogan
From Oprah's perspective?
It's got to be insanity.
First of all, how many women have ever achieved that before?
It's not like you're a man.
If you're a man and you're like a media mogul, it's like, oh, look, another one.
Another Richard Branson.
Another this, another that, another that guy, this guy.
There's always a new guy.
There's always some new guy who's a big loud mouth who's on TV all the time and makes a lot of money.
There's always that guy.
Well, how many of those girls?
How many girls have just had all these women screaming and cheering whenever they see her?
She gives away cars and shit.
Saves people in Africa.
How many girls?
Is there one other one ever?
Angelina Jolie is kind of like rocking it in some sort of weird way, but she doesn't have like a talk show where she's talking every day.
dan hardy
She's like an actress.
That's like control.
You can give people instructions and they'll follow it.
Go and buy this and millions of women will go out and buy it.
That's scary power.
joe rogan
Yeah, Oprah power is weird power.
It's very rare that a human achieves that.
dan hardy
But she has to have sacrificed real relationships with people.
You can't have a real connection with anybody, or you can't develop new connections when you get to that kind of status.
I don't think so.
joe rogan
I wonder.
dan hardy
How could you ever let anybody in?
joe rogan
I don't know.
Well, the only reason you wouldn't is if you think that you're better than other people because you're successful.
The issue of running into people that want to take advantage of you, you're going to have that no matter what.
You would hope that your filter is good enough that you'd be able to check out the crazy ones.
dan hardy
But when it gets to the stage where you can't go anywhere without someone recognizing, you're like, everybody knows who you are.
joe rogan
Yeah, you fucked up, son.
You took it too deep.
Should have backed off, Elvis.
Maybe you would have stayed alive longer.
dan hardy
Never go full retard.
joe rogan
Yeah, there's something that happens to people when they get that cuckoo famous.
You know, they get that over-the-top cuckoo famous.
dan hardy
Like Justin Bieber's.
joe rogan
Oh, he's gone.
The young man's gone.
dan hardy
He tried to take a monkey to Germany the other day.
brian redban
What the fuck is that?
joe rogan
Well, that's what you do when you're fucking 17 years old and you fucked a million girls a day for the past year.
And you look like you're four.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan hardy
And he thought they were being unreasonable because they wanted to take his monkey off.
joe rogan
They are unreasonable.
He's Justin motherfucking Beaver.
Justin Beaver, he could go to a restaurant and put his hands up and say, hello everybody, and they would start cheering.
They would start clapping.
dan hardy
They would twerp it.
joe rogan
Justin Beaver's here.
Swag.
They would go, oh my god, he just said swag.
brian redban
What's that?
joe rogan
But that's his thing.
He says swag all the time.
brian redban
How do you know that?
joe rogan
I know a lot.
unidentified
Wait a second.
joe rogan
We talked about it on the podcast, you fucking stoner.
brian redban
Swag?
joe rogan
Yes.
You don't pay attention to things I say.
You block me out like an old marriage.
You block me out like we're married.
Yeah, I know a dude who has done work for Mr. Bieber.
He's a very nice guy.
dan hardy
I met his dad.
joe rogan
Yeah, I met his dad too.
I met him and his dad at a UFC fight.
I met him very briefly.
We had headphones on and they shook our hands.
Hi, hi, how you doing?
And then the fight was going on.
But no one could ask anyone to be able to handle that situation any better than that kid's doing.
He's doing way better than I would do.
Could you imagine what fucking damage you would have done if you were that famous at 17?
That must be ridiculous.
dan hardy
I did enough damage at 17 and I was nobody.
joe rogan
What kind of life is that?
That guy lives...
There's only one person on the planet that lives like that.
That's him.
Who's he going to compare notes with?
Who's going to understand his life?
dan hardy
Britney Spears was that kind of level at one point.
I don't know what happened to her.
joe rogan
She went crazy.
She blew a fuse.
dan hardy
I'm kind of excited for Justin Bieber to lose his mind as well.
I mean, it's coming.
But it's just, how is it going to happen?
Is he going to start buying wild animals and fill his house with them?
joe rogan
It's money in the bank.
I used to do a joke before Macaulay Culkin went crazy.
I used to do a joke about how he's money in the bank.
It's like, this ain't going to turn out well.
This is you.
You're not always going to be that guy.
You're going to be like a man someday.
That's going to be weird.
You became unbelievably famous while you were a child.
How could you possibly handle that?
dan hardy
Hanging out with Michael Jackson.
joe rogan
Jesus Christ.
You know, there was a guy who got arrested.
He was like one of those famous Hollywood investigative guys, like a strong-arm investigator.
And he had done some work with Michael Jackson.
And what he says is that he wanted to check in and make sure that all the molestation allegations were incorrect.
And he said he wouldn't work with Michael Jackson because he did something worse than molest them.
What that means?
I couldn't even imagine what the fuck that means.
But it was enough that he wouldn't work with the guy.
I don't know if that's true.
I mean, he's in jail.
The guy who did it is in jail.
And he did a lot of nefarious, semi-illegal type shit.
He did a lot of strong-arm shit, you know?
But it seems like he had a little bit of a code.
And it seems like whatever Michael Jackson was doing, according to him at least, That's scary, man.
We were talking about Cleveland.
We were talking about what happened in Cleveland before the show started.
unidentified
That's insane.
joe rogan
Yeah, these guys, these three brothers had kidnapped these three girls and kept them locked up for ten years.
brian redban
So they each got one?
joe rogan
I don't know.
I don't know what they did.
I don't know the full details of the story, but the guy who...
Who saved him is this black dude.
He said that something happened and I think he heard some screaming and he kicked down a door.
brian redban
Was he robbing the place?
joe rogan
No.
He was trying to save them.
He was trying to save them.
You racist little fuck.
I know what you're doing.
He's trying to keep black people from coming to your shows ever.
brian redban
I know what you're doing.
I heard some noises.
Oh, I mean, I was breaking into the place.
joe rogan
And he said, it's a really interesting thing.
You've got to see the interview.
The guy's really entertaining.
The guy who saved him.
Pull up the interview, because it's pretty fascinating.
And then, don't worry folks, we're still going to talk about the spirit world.
I know we got off subject, but this ain't the Conan O'Brien show, bitch.
It doesn't all go streamlined.
dan hardy
Are you getting requests?
joe rogan
No, I know people want to hear about that, though.
I know they do.
I can't listen to requests while the show's going on.
Too many people would just write fucked up shit to try to get my attention.
brian redban
Ramsey.
joe rogan
What's that?
unidentified
This one?
joe rogan
His name's James Ramsey.
Is that his name?
brian redban
Yeah, James Ramsey.
Or Charles Ramsey.
joe rogan
Charles Ramsey.
Charles Ramsey.
Guy's a bad motherfucker.
He saved those girls.
They were in there for 10 years.
These guys were holding them captive for 10 years.
What the fuck happens to people that allows them to do something like that?
dan hardy
I don't know.
I don't know.
What is their view of the world?
How do they see their own actions?
joe rogan
How did they get to be that thing?
dan hardy
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's the real question.
Who did something to them?
dan hardy
They must have peace with it in some way.
Ten years.
Ten years is a long time to have second thoughts, you know.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
I mean, I don't think, I think they were just, that was, they owned them.
They were going to keep it that way.
dan hardy
How do you come to the conclusion that's okay?
joe rogan
I don't know.
I don't know.
I couldn't imagine.
dan hardy
I have this conversation with the people about Michael Vick.
You know, I'm always kind of vocal about that and that situation with the dogfighting.
joe rogan
Here's the dude.
Here's the dude.
unidentified
Huh.
joe rogan
Pause it for a second, because I want to hear what you have to say about this, because, yeah, that disturbs the shit out of me, too.
The Michael Vick thing.
dan hardy
Yeah, I mean, it's like, I was up in Utah a couple of weeks ago for the Victory Dogs reunion, which is basically the dogs that were saved.
I think they took 58. Some of them were euthanized because they were too bad.
But most of them we're taken to a place called the Best Friends Animal Sanctuary and some of them will stay there for the rest of their lives because they can't be with other dogs and you know.
joe rogan
Right.
dan hardy
They can't socialise.
Yeah, like the Grand Champions and stuff that you have.
They're all scarred up and stuff.
But a lot of them got adopted and all the families stay quite close and they bring the dogs together so they can socialise.
But you know like some of these dogs have got chemical burns on their back.
There's one little dog that walks sideways because it was thrown against the wall as a puppy.
Like, how do you get to the stage where you think that that's an alright thing to do?
Like, that's not...
You don't get better from that.
That's not something that...
And now he's got another dog.
Like, he showed up in a pet smart the other day.
It's like some kind of military dog.
brian redban
He should not be allowed.
joe rogan
How is he allowed to have dogs?
dan hardy
If there's anything right with the world, that dog's gonna go for his throat at some point.
joe rogan
How is he allowed to have dogs?
dan hardy
Yeah, it's ridiculous.
joe rogan
After all the dogs he killed.
dan hardy
But you don't heal from something like that.
That's who you are.
joe rogan
I don't think you can change.
What is the story?
He killed a bunch of them, right?
How did he kill them?
dan hardy
He electrocuted them on the floor, electrocuted them, hanging them.
joe rogan
He did torture his shit.
dan hardy
He had a bad reputation in the dogfighting community.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
dan hardy
Like 58 dogs he had.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
He had a bad reputation in the dogfighting community.
You know you're a cunt when the dogfighting world is like, man, you need to settle the fuck down.
You're being mean.
dan hardy
That's a whole new level of mean.
joe rogan
Holy shit.
dan hardy
I have a friend who adopted one of his dogs.
And this little dog, when you take it into a room, it will go and sit in the corner and shake.
You can't go near it without it just shaking uncontrollably.
I think they call them bait dogs, where basically they put a muzzle on the dog.
Use it as like a confidence builder for the fighting dogs that are successful.
joe rogan
Oh god.
But this guy's got a dog that they bullied.
Oh my god.
dan hardy
But this guy's got another dog now and he's back playing football and everyone's cool because he's an athlete.
That's not a normal human being.
joe rogan
I agree.
dan hardy
It's not a regular calculation to make.
joe rogan
Well, it's also, it's...
When do you forgive?
There's certain things that we don't forgive, right?
I mean, we don't forgive child molesting.
No one forgives that.
When a person wants to rape kids, like, you're off the menu for civilization, pretty much universally.
But when you look at what some people are willing to accept when...
It's clearly...
There's like a sociopathic characteristic to that.
There's a cruelty characteristic.
But can a guy learn from that?
We know...
We don't...
They can't learn from child rape.
They can't.
The recidivism rate is way too high.
Whatever it is, it's way too sick.
The danger that they pose is way too great.
It's like there's too much at stake.
But the idea is, like, a guy that used to treat dogs like they're shit and kill them, should we give that guy a second chance?
dan hardy
But the thing is, I don't think he can change his opinion on his actions.
All I think he can do is realise that other people don't find it acceptable.
joe rogan
Well, yeah, there's that, but there's also that he, his culture, like, he grew up, like, from the time he was a little boy, like, they had dogfights.
Like, there's a lot of people in this world today that still engage in, like, really regular dogfights.
And if you are unlucky enough to be born in that environment, when do you make your own moral distinction?
Like, when do you realize that this is a terrible thing?
dan hardy
But even so, there's dogfighting and dogfighting.
If you read Sam Sheridan's book, A Fighter's Heart, there's a bit about dogfighting in there.
I mean, I don't agree with it, but it's a very, very different perspective.
They care for the dogs, they look after them, they buy them the best food and really take care of them.
And the dogs fight for honor.
joe rogan
Right.
dan hardy
Which, I mean, it's still a kind of an unusual perspective, but the stuff that Vic was doing was just evil.
joe rogan
Evil.
dan hardy
Which is a whole new level entirely, and that's the kind of stuff that you can't heal from, I don't think.
That's the person that he is.
I met him once, and I didn't know who he was.
I met him backstage.
I'm glad I don't meet him now, because I don't know if I'd want to be anywhere near him.
joe rogan
How did you feel when you met him?
dan hardy
Did you see him normal?
I didn't know who he was.
When my friend confronted him, About what he'd done to the dogs.
He said he was hoping for some kind of aggressive reaction, like he was hoping that the guy was at least going to have a feeling about it.
But whatever he was telling the guy, whatever he was talking to Michael Vick about, Vick was just not there, just not present.
He didn't understand what was going on.
Not a very smart guy.
brian redban
Joe, have you seen the Charles Ramsey 911 call?
I heard that's just terrifying.
Somebody just sent it to me with captions.
joe rogan
Yeah, sure.
Throw it up.
unidentified
What you're about to hear is a 911 call placed by hero Charles Ramsey after he found Amanda Barry, a woman who had been kidnapped for the past decade.
This man saved her life.
5.52 p.m.
34 seconds.
May 62013. Cleveland 911 police.
Ambulance are fired.
Yeah, hey, bro.
I'm at 2207 Seymour, West 25th.
Hey, check this out.
I just came from McDonald's, right?
So I'm on my porch eating my little food, right?
This broad is trying to work out the fucking house next door to me.
So, there's a bunch of people on the street right now and shit.
So we like, "What's wrong with you, what's the problem?" She like, "This motherfucker been kidnapped me and my daughter, and we've been in this bitch." She said her name is Linda Berry or some shit.
I don't know who the fuck that is.
I just moved over here, bro.
Sir, sir, sir.
You know what I mean?
brian redban
Is that real?
joe rogan
Is she still in the street?
unidentified
Is she still in the street or where does she go?
Yeah, I'm looking at it.
She's right now.
She's calling y'all.
She's on another phone.
Is she black, white, or Hispanic?
She's white, but the baby looks Hispanic.
Okay, what is she wearing?
White, pink, light blue sweatpants.
Like a wife beater.
Do you know the address next door?
Did she say she was in?
Yeah, 2207. I'm looking at it.
Okay, I thought that was your address.
I'm smarter than that, bro.
I'm telling you what a crime would.
Do you want to leave your name and number?
Charles Ramsey.
R-A-M-S-B-Y. What's the phone number?
joe rogan
Okay, if there's any justice in the world, this guy becomes fucking huger than Kim Kardashian.
unidentified
That was Jules off Pulp Fiction, I'm sure of it.
That?
joe rogan
This is real.
unidentified
I know.
dan hardy
That's what's funny about it.
joe rogan
This is a real guy.
unidentified
There you go.
dan hardy
I like that guy.
joe rogan
That guy's a bad motherfucker.
dan hardy
You gotta get him on the podcast.
joe rogan
Fuck yeah, we do.
We have to make that guy president.
brian redban
Wow, that was amazing.
joe rogan
That's a real man.
brian redban
So he was breaking into that place, right?
I was coming from McDonald's and there was somebody trying to break out of the house.
joe rogan
She's trying to break out of her house, man.
brian redban
How was she breaking out of the house?
Was she punching through a window?
joe rogan
I don't know.
She climbed out somehow.
Somehow or another she got out of whatever they had locked her up in.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
Crazy shit, man.
Ten fucking years and thinking that it's going to be the rest of your life having these guys just fuck you, hold you down and fuck you every night and feed you fucking oatmeal.
Some run-down house in Cleveland, you're a sex slave for the rest of your life.
dan hardy
So what do you do with those guys?
joe rogan
Kill them.
You've got to kill them.
They've just got to remove them from the gene pool.
dan hardy
But don't you think there's something kind of sinister about laying somebody down on a bed and injecting them?
To, like, put them down.
joe rogan
Yeah, I don't think it's necessary.
I think you just dig a hole, shoot them in the head, push them in the hole.
I really don't think you need to be fucking with all this injection.
dan hardy
It's so clinical, it makes it scary.
joe rogan
Well, that's what they're trying to do.
What they're trying to do is take the chaos out of murder.
They're trying to take all the variables out.
This is going to do it nice and easy.
A little poison.
Here you go.
Okay, you're dead.
Goodbye.
Take care.
That's it.
That's a wrap.
Instead of just shooting someone.
You know, I mean, did you ever see that movie Dead Man Walking?
dan hardy
No.
joe rogan
Sean Penn's a bad motherfucker.
I mean, that guy knows how to act his ass off.
He's a crazy dude, but he knows how to act his ass off.
And he played this guy that was dying.
He was going in for lethal injection.
And the way he played it was so real.
Like, you really thought he was going to fucking die.
That's all avoidable, man.
All that craziness of strapping that guy in and freaking him out and injecting him so that you can feel better.
dan hardy
Yeah.
joe rogan
Just shoot him in the fucking head and let's be done with this.
Okay?
It's real simple.
That's a bad person.
He's broken.
We gotta get rid of him.
Shoot him.
Okay, there we go.
Like they do on The Walking Dead.
brian redban
I think they should put him in a trough first at a Skynyrd concert and we all get to piss on him.
Something cool like that first.
joe rogan
That's not cool.
That's just weird.
Yeah, let's piss on them.
unidentified
Something cool.
joe rogan
Hey, what do you want to do today?
Something cool?
Let's piss on each other.
So tell me about your journey in the jungle.
dan hardy
Okay, where was that all about?
joe rogan
What happened?
What caused you to want to do this?
dan hardy
I don't really know.
I don't really know.
I just felt like I was drawn to it.
I was speaking to a friend of mine.
I won't mention him, but he's another fighter.
Retired now.
And he did a couple of ceremonies in London, a friend's place.
They brought a shaman over and did a couple.
I've always been kind of the guy that if I wanted to experience something, I would go to the source.
If I wanted to do Kung Fu, I'd go to China.
If I want to wrestle, I'd come to America.
If I want to try ayahuasca, I'd go to Peru.
It just kind of made sense.
It was kind of like my reward for getting through the Dwayne Ludwig camp because that would have been a fifth loss in a row and obviously a complete change in career paths.
So I put 12 weeks aside to dedicate myself to that fight with that as a reward after.
A couple of days after the fight, I flew out and spent two weeks there.
I did a tobacco ceremony on the first day.
Two ayahuasca ceremonies and two San Pedro ceremonies.
unidentified
Damn!
brian redban
How is that tobacco ceremony?
joe rogan
Yeah, what is the tobacco ceremony?
dan hardy
They basically make a drink of tobacco, coffee and sugar and they cook it up and then you drink a whole load of it and it's like a purge, like a detox.
Like if you've got any kind of toxins in your system you throw up and you sweat and some people are crying and obviously there's all kinds of other nasty stuff that goes on as well.
It's a way of like cleansing your body before the ayahuasca.
joe rogan
Is it a theoretical cleansing or does it actually have a cleansing effect?
dan hardy
It's got a cleansing.
Fortunately I've been in training camp for 12 weeks so I've been on a clean diet and I just kept my diet clean until I got to Peru because there's a special diet for the ayahuasca.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's a low acidic diet, right?
dan hardy
Yeah, no salt, no sugar, no oils, no sex, no spices.
joe rogan
No oils?
unidentified
No oils.
joe rogan
Really?
dan hardy
Yeah.
joe rogan
Why no oils?
dan hardy
I don't know.
I don't know.
joe rogan
That's interesting.
dan hardy
Yeah, there are a lot of things on the list that I'm kind of on the fence about.
It's weird because there's not really any kind of science behind it.
I mean, there are some things that you can't have because they react badly with the With the medicine, but some of the foods are kind of odd.
I just kind of go on instinct when I'm dieting for it.
joe rogan
Right.
Now, so the tobacco ceremony, there's no psychoactive effect?
dan hardy
No, nothing.
It's just like smoking three packets of cigarettes and drinking six Starbucks all at the same time.
unidentified
So mixing it all together, that sounds like the future of Starbucks.
dan hardy
And I don't drink coffee.
I don't drink caffeine or obviously smoke cigarettes.
So I'm like sitting in my room like shaking and sweating.
joe rogan
Wow.
dan hardy
It was kind of uncomfortable.
joe rogan
Wow.
dan hardy
But once that was over, the next day was the first ayahuasca ceremony.
And I did feel real sharp the next morning.
I felt very alert.
joe rogan
Okay, so the next morning you do the ayahuasca ceremony.
What's that like?
dan hardy
Well, you don't eat a great deal during the day.
We had a light breakfast and then, you know, like a fruit snack around midday.
And then after that you fast and the ceremony starts at 8 p.m.
So the idea is that you go into the ceremony with intentions, the questions you want to ask.
There's always this talk about ayahuasca, the spirit of ayahuasca, mother ayahuasca, and some people during their experiences have an interaction with a female entity of some sort, but I didn't.
But the intentions are still very important.
Going into the ceremony with questions about myself or my life or Whatever, really.
For me, the answers just kind of manifest.
They just kind of show up.
I just kind of all of a sudden get an overwhelming feeling of the right answer.
I don't really know how to explain it better than that.
The problem is that I really feel like we've not got the language to explain this kind of stuff at the moment.
We need to expand our vocabulary to To encompass all the stuff that we experience in these things.
joe rogan
Yeah, a lot of people believe that what psychedelic states, even if they don't believe that you're really contacting the spirit world, what they think you're doing by forcing yourself to take a hard look at yourself, and address some questions that you might have one way or another but to do it with this stuff that it absolves your ego it removes the ego and in doing that it's a rare state that you get to get the fuck away from your ego but it really lets you get away from it to a point where
you can see things so much more clearly and you can realize How much of the ego has really been sort of tricking you and deceiving you and making you believe that you're either something that you're not or you've gone further than you really actually have or your ego has allowed you to sort of delude yourself, to get by this very strenuous existence.
And when you go into a psychedelic state, It allows you to bypass all that and see it.
And that's where people don't understand that you can get to a mild psychedelic state from exercise and yoga.
dan hardy
And fasting and meditation.
joe rogan
You can get there.
In sensory deprivation types, you can get to a pretty extreme form with no drugs at all.
But the ayahuasca ceremony is basically known as the grand mal Of the psychedelic experiences, the most spiritual of the psychedelic experiences.
dan hardy
It's pretty powerful in comparison to other things I've experienced.
joe rogan
Have you ever experienced the raw form of DMT? Yeah, only once though.
Was it 5-MeO DMT or was it an N-DMT? There's two different kinds.
dan hardy
Okay.
joe rogan
5-MeO?
Yeah.
5-MeO is quite a bit different.
There's no visuals.
It's a very intense feeling of connection, and it's very, very potent.
In fact, I think it's like, supposedly, obviously I'm not some sort of a scientist here, but supposedly it's even more powerful gram per gram than DMT is.
But the DMT, the NM-DMT, is what you get in the ayahuasca.
dan hardy
Okay.
joe rogan
When you eat it, if you tried to eat DMT, there's a stomach chemical produced, you're Your stomach produces something called monoamine oxidase, apparently, and that breaks down DMT. So what these brilliant people that live in the Amazon have figured out how to do is mix the vine of one plant with the leaves of another and cook it all together.
So they introduced a natural MAO inhibitor.
dan hardy
Don't that blow your mind?
joe rogan
It's insane!
dan hardy
Blows your mind.
joe rogan
Did you ask them how they figured it out?
dan hardy
No.
joe rogan
Terence McKenna did, and he said that they always said that the plants told them how to do it.
dan hardy
But, you know, I've always thought about this with diet.
Like, people have been combining, like, incomplete proteins for years, like milk and cereal and rice and beans, and not knowing that those two things combined made a complete protein.
So why would they combine them?
joe rogan
Yeah, it's funny, right?
dan hardy
You know what I mean?
It's like an odd coincidence, but ayahuasca is like the same thing, but way more extreme.
joe rogan
There's a lot of folks that believe – I shouldn't say a lot of folks, but it's been speculated.
I've read work where people believe that what we've created with civilization and with societies and especially with like modern societies where there's like – Mass speed communication it's like people are sending each other text messages and watching television is that we're missing out key information that is there in nature and that literally if you're in a natural state like if you're living in a natural
state and you're away from the distractions and the madness of The fucking civilized world that there's literally a signal that you can't quite pick up anymore.
And that signal is like a guide to get through life.
Like the Earth literally does talk to you.
dan hardy
Is that the collective consciousness, do you think?
joe rogan
I don't know.
I mean, I don't know if I believe that it ever really was the case, that people were much more sensitive to the language of the Earth.
It is possible.
I think it's really hard to even wrap our heads around what it must have been like before there were language.
dan hardy
And all the toxins that we've produced as well.
All the things that we've introduced to our diet and to our bodies.
Like the dashboard on my truck outside is killing me slowly.
You know what I mean?
That kind of stuff.
They emit all kinds of chemicals like fluoride as people are now starting to understand.
joe rogan
Yeah, fucking fluoride is bad for you.
How nutty is that?
dan hardy
It calcifies your pineal gland.
joe rogan
Supposedly.
I don't know if there's any real studies.
I have a feeling that might be something that someone just said once and everybody just repeats.
dan hardy
I can take it out and I don't mind.
joe rogan
Well, I don't think there's necessarily a lot of evidence that it's good for you.
I think people say that there's a connection between putting fluoride in the water and removing tooth decay.
But that also coincided with education about brushing.
I mean, all that shit went down when people realized that you have to brush, you know?
And then putting fluoride in your toothbrush, in your toothpaste, apparently that's not so good either.
Even though you don't eat it, still, there's a reason why you don't swallow that stuff once you, like, fucking foam it up in your mouth.
dan hardy
If it's in the drinking water, though.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Fucking, it's crazy.
dan hardy
Yeah.
joe rogan
But why do we still do it, though?
I don't know.
I'm sure there's some grand scheme that someone will send me a tweet about and I'll spend the next four hours festering over it.
dan hardy
I think these are things that are potentially keeping us disconnected from this whatever we're missing out on, this language that we're missing out on from the...
unidentified
Maybe.
joe rogan
It's possible.
But I think that if you were living in the jungle and you needed to survive there, it is possible that you would at least have an idea of mixing these two things together and cooking them.
dan hardy
Yeah.
joe rogan
Could you imagine if you found out you were right?
Like, when you created ayahuasca, I mean, if the dude just nailed it the first time, like, well, let's see what we got here.
Takes a sip.
Do, do, do, do.
Do, do, do.
Doom, doom, doom.
He must have been like, God damn, did I knock it out of the park?
Fuck your vegetable soup.
I got some shit that will kick your dick right into the dirt, son.
dan hardy
But look at the guy that discovered LSD. Yeah, Albert Hoffman.
Completely by accident.
joe rogan
Not only that, he rode home and thought he was going mad.
dan hardy
Was he cycling home or something?
joe rogan
Yeah, his fucking bicycle.
dan hardy
First LSD trip ever.
And then didn't he go back a couple of days later and took like five times the amount or something?
joe rogan
I don't know.
I think the initial amount he took was way higher than a normal dose.
dan hardy
It's like a bucket.
joe rogan
I think it came in through his fingers, I think.
Because that's the thing about acid.
It'll go right through your skin.
brian redban
I've had that happen.
dan hardy
That's exciting.
joe rogan
For the first time, the first dude to figure out ayahuasca, how long ago was that?
They say it's at least 2,000 years.
They say they've shown archaeological evidence of ayahuasca use up to 2,000 years ago.
dan hardy
I can't make sense of it now, and I have a much more...
A much better understanding of the universe, as obviously science knows it.
But back then, when all you know is the jungle and the plants around you, how would you even begin to make sense of that?
joe rogan
How would you begin to make sense of that?
Yeah, how would you?
dan hardy
And then how do you become an expert at introducing that to other people, like a shaman?
Which I find really fascinating, the idea of shamanism.
joe rogan
It's very fascinating.
You know why it's fascinating?
Because you've experienced it and you know it's real.
To Joe Construction Worker Lunchbox that's listening to this nonsense right now.
You know, I like that Joe Rogan podcast, but every now and then, they go off the fucking tinfoil hat deep end, and this guy's talking about journey into the spirit world, and I want to be a shaman.
Get the fuck out of here!
Tell me a joke, ass face, okay?
That's what you're here for, you fuck.
dan hardy
That guy's a black belt under Matt Serra.
joe rogan
Possibly.
Possibly.
Well done.
Yeah, you know it's real.
You've done it.
You've experienced it.
And it's not just real.
It's real in a way where you feel sorry for people who haven't experienced it.
dan hardy
But at the same time, when I first came back from Peru and people were asking me, is this something that everyone should experience?
I was saying yes to everybody, but now I'm not so sure.
I was walking through the Luxor the other day and, you know, God bless America and all the people that were pumping money into those slots and smoking cigarettes and drinking beers.
But they need to do a lot of self-discovery without an altered state before they would be even ready for that.
If you took them and gave them ayahuasca, it would ruin them forever.
unidentified
Maybe.
joe rogan
Maybe just seeing them at their worst.
Maybe they would say that about you if they caught you beaten off.
dan hardy
Well, maybe.
joe rogan
Your eyes cross, your tongue out of your mouth.
And we're like, yeah, this guy really needs a fucking ayahuasca seminar.
You need to get your own life together, son.
They would come down on you.
dan hardy
But it's kind of weird because the people that find their way to it are already in a place in their life where they're kind of prepared for it.
joe rogan
I think that happens a lot of the time, but I'm not completely convinced that happens all the time.
I've definitely heard of people having bad experiences or going there when they weren't ready for it.
I think psychedelic experiences are incredibly powerful.
And to say that people should or shouldn't do it is equally foolish.
Because to say that someone should do it is like, how the fuck do you know that guy should do it?
What, because you did it and you like it?
You know?
dan hardy
Yeah, I'd agree with that.
I just think, you know...
It's a lot to process for someone that's open-minded.
So for someone that is buying into the Oprah cult and, you know...
joe rogan
Oprah's badass, dude.
Don't get it wrong.
Don't get it twisted.
dan hardy
I'd like to take Oprah to Peru.
joe rogan
That's what we need to do.
We need to get Oprah and bring her to the jungle.
dan hardy
I think this is the way forward.
I think this is how we move to the next stage of our evolution.
We've got to start getting some of these power people and taking them out there.
joe rogan
I think it's already happening.
We haven't heard about it all yet.
dan hardy
I hope so.
joe rogan
Listen, there really are people, and there really are, that really do have a massive amount of power in this world, and they really do.
You don't think that they've wanted to look into that?
Like, why would you not want to look into that?
If there's anything that could freak you out if you were in the Bilderberger group, you motherfuckers sitting around doing ayahuasca, talking to the great serpent as it breaks down your life and the kind of damage that you're doing to society and civilization and how unnecessary it is and how you're still unhappy even though you're doing it.
Even though you're manipulating the banks, controlling the resources of the world, instigating wars overseas, and profiting off of it in some strange fucking shell game that nobody completely understands, you're still not happy, bitch.
And that's what it would tell you.
It would be good for everybody.
dan hardy
But what do you think if you got the Bilderberg into a ceremony?
joe rogan
I think they all need to realize that you don't need that much money, you fuck.
Crazy.
You're going crazy, asshole.
You got caught up in your own game.
You got to the point where you're controlling the world's economy and you're worth billions.
What are you doing?
You don't need billions.
That's stupid, man.
That's dumb.
You can have a nice house and food and not worry about shit for way less.
dan hardy
Yeah.
joe rogan
And never have to worry about a single thing for the rest of your life.
Like, you're in some crazy stratosphere that no one reaches, and you're still trying to make more money.
You're still trying to fuck people over.
You're a sick fuck.
You're sick.
Because obviously you broke it.
It's very stupid, too.
Because you could be having a great fucking time every day for the rest of your life.
If I had billions of dollars, every day would be fishing, I would fucking go fly kites, I would travel...
Today we're going to Hawaii!
Who gives a fuck?
You've got a hundred million dollars in the bank!
Instead, what are you doing?
You're trying to fuck over Portugal.
You're trying to steal oil out of the Amazon.
What are you trying to do?
What are you trying to do?
You're fucking cunting up the world.
It's not necessary, but they don't know any better because they're caught up.
Just like those same people at the casino, those people are caught up too.
They're caught up in a hitch in the human mind that allows you to try to solve puzzles and seek conclusions.
And you just hijack that shit with three lemons.
unidentified
Come on!
joe rogan
I can find the three lemons.
They're in there.
And then your brain gets locked in this stupid thing.
And then the cigarettes, you're sucking on these cigarettes that these same people are extracting millions of dollars from the society by feeding people these poisonous fucking weed-filled tubes that you light on fire in.
You poison yourself, nice and slow.
dan hardy
And then when they get sick, they give them the drugs to fix it.
joe rogan
Yeah, I got plenty of shit to fix.
Basically, we're going to knock cancer out of the box in the next couple of years.
You don't have to worry about it, Mr. Johnson.
Just keep fucking smoking away.
We live in a mad world.
We live in a world that should be a movie, and nowhere is that more readily available or honest than when you have a psychedelic experience.
Because when you see what mushrooms can do, or you can see what...
DMT could do, whether it's an ayahuasca or a regular form, you realize there really is a magic in the world.
And it sounds so stupid that if you haven't experienced it, you really wouldn't.
And even people who have experienced it, they don't want to describe it that way because they don't want to sound stupid to people who haven't experienced it.
So they'll go, look, it's nothing magic.
Your cerebral cortex gets flooded with chemicals.
The visual aspect of your interpretation of the world around you gets hijacked by these new chemicals.
Maybe.
Maybe.
Or maybe you haven't done it yet.
dan hardy
Yeah.
joe rogan
And if you have done it, maybe you're just cynical.
Maybe you're missing out on what the fuck that is.
That's some magic fairy dust, bitch.
You get to go to a fairyland.
dan hardy
But I do find that I can't speak as openly with people that haven't had that experience anymore.
joe rogan
No, because you sound crazy.
dan hardy
Exactly, yeah.
I say energy a lot more than I used to.
I say powerful a lot.
unidentified
Do you?
joe rogan
Good.
It's a good thing to say.
dan hardy
I have a lot of power days now.
Sometimes I'll get to the end of the day and I'll be like, yep, that was a power day.
I'll be out in the Valley of Fire and swimming in Lake Mead and stuff.
brian redban
What's your kale count per day?
dan hardy
Oh, it's ridiculous.
joe rogan
Yeah, but thinking that way, like being powerful and thinking positively, that really does change your fucking life.
unidentified
It does.
joe rogan
And people don't understand that.
It is silly.
Yeah, it definitely seems silly.
If you're a serious person who's a conservative man who's not to be mocked and laughed at, you wouldn't engage in such behaviors.
Yeah.
Life itself is silly.
The whole thing is silly.
The whole thing is completely ridiculous.
You know?
For you to not, you know, to be worried about looking stupid by trying that out.
dan hardy
Yeah.
My whole perspective of life changed, though.
I quite like the temporariness of it now.
joe rogan
Do you?
dan hardy
Yeah, because the space that I always experience, you know, with the ayahuasca and, you know, other psychedelics like, you know, DMT or psilocybin, I always feel like...
Like, the place I reach when I've had the right kind of amount is a very familiar, safe place.
I feel like I've been there hundreds of times before.
It's like, oh, I'm back.
joe rogan
Yeah, isn't that the weirdest thing about it?
dan hardy
It's really odd.
joe rogan
The weirdest thing about it is how it feels so comfortable and so normal.
It feels so familiar.
dan hardy
Yeah.
I think a woman described it in the DMT, the Spirit Molecule book, Dr. Rick Strassman.
She said, it feels like a waiting room between death and birth.
Which I thought was kind of an interesting perspective.
unidentified
Wow.
brian redban
I remember my latest psychedelic trip, that it was just like that, where I'm like, I've been here before, why can't I remember this?
It seems like I do that a lot, like go to the same place so many times.
joe rogan
Yeah, well...
brian redban
That could just be a part of your brain, you know?
joe rogan
It could, but it's so close to normal human neurochemistry.
The most profound ones, they're so close to normal shit your brain produces.
Like, mushrooms...
Mushrooms and DMT are very closely related chemically, and DMT is produced by your brain.
So all of those experiences, they know exactly where to hit in your mind to produce this stuff.
I can't think that that's a coincidence.
I can't think that that's an accident.
dan hardy
I like Terence McKenna's theory on the introduction of psilocybin into the human diet.
When we became, from the canopy-dwelling fruit eaters to the plain-dwelling Kind of forages.
joe rogan
I don't know if that holds up scientifically as far as the timeline, but I've never heard anyone say anything more plausible.
There's no real serious explanation.
It was a massive jump forward.
dan hardy
It was a huge leap in consciousness.
joe rogan
A doubling of the human brain size over a period of two million years.
And apparently that's the greatest mystery in the entire fossil record.
dan hardy
I've always wanted to have a real light dose of mushrooms and fight, like a gram or a gram and a half.
joe rogan
And fight.
dan hardy
And fight, yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, well, you know, I know people have played pool with it, and they say they can't miss.
They say they know where the ball is at all times.
They feel it moving on the table in three-dimensional space.
dan hardy
Wow.
joe rogan
Yeah, guys used to play pool on small amounts of acid, too, and have the best game of their life.
dan hardy
Why pool, though?
joe rogan
I mean, what a waste of LSD. I guess you'd want to be doing something creative, but if you were a serious pool player, that's apparently the way to get really awesome at it.
dan hardy
Who's a serious pool player?
unidentified
Me.
joe rogan
I play a lot of pool, yeah, for real.
dan hardy
He's addicted.
Not as a job, though.
You don't do it like...
joe rogan
I would.
I would play professionally.
dan hardy
What about golf, though?
joe rogan
No, no.
First of all, golf, you're out there walking around in the rain.
That's retarded.
And second of all, you're chasing a ball around.
The pool, it's all on this one table.
The environment is exactly the same every time.
You're not dealing with holes and rolls.
I bet I would love golf, but I'm terrified of trying it and finding out that I love it.
dan hardy
Because it's so unpredictable.
joe rogan
So much work!
You're out there eight hours a day chasing a fucking ball.
When you play 18 holes, that's several hours worth of playing.
brian redban
Eight hours of drinking, though, Joe.
dan hardy
But would you enjoy it more with LSD? Bill Murray did in Caddyshack.
joe rogan
Wasn't that his thing?
Wasn't it?
He'd take acid and play golf.
I know that people have done it.
It gives you more sensitivity apparently, more spatial recognition, more understanding of distance.
dan hardy
Depth perception.
joe rogan
And apparently in a way that really you'd never see this field.
dan hardy
Maybe that's Anderson Silva's secret.
joe rogan
He's on acid every time he fights!
dan hardy
That makes perfect sense.
joe rogan
Yeah, could you imagine if he...
Well, no steroids, but you tested positive for mushrooms, you fuck.
Like, Jesus, what are you doing?
dan hardy
Yeah.
joe rogan
Fighting on mushrooms?
dan hardy
There should be a separate belt for that entirely.
joe rogan
Well, there was a baseball player, a famous baseball player, who pitched a no-hitter while he was on acid.
dan hardy
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah, who was that?
Do you know who it is?
Hold on.
I'll pull it up.
No-hitter on acid.
It was during the 70s.
And apparently what happened was he wasn't supposed to be pitching.
Doc Ellis.
He wasn't supposed to be pitching that day.
So he decided to get lit up.
Took some acid and then like something happened.
They called him in and he had to go play.
And he said he was just flying high and he pitched a no-hitter.
dan hardy
See, I'd have loved to have lived through those days of sport instead of these now.
These are too regulated, you know?
Let's go back to those 1960s and 70s.
joe rogan
Those were crazy days, but you can't go back.
They're going to be looking back at this day thinking how crazy we were as well.
dan hardy
I often think of all the things that we're going to look back on.
Even when I'm old, I'm going to look back and be like, wow, we actually did that.
I remember people smoking on planes.
joe rogan
Yes, I remember that.
dan hardy
That's crazy.
I live in Vegas now.
I walk into the casino and I'm like, oh, people smoke everywhere.
It's like two years ago that people stopped smoking in the UK. I've immediately made the adjustment though.
So in 30 or 40 years time, when I'm on a plane, I can't even imagine what it would be like.
But we're going to look back at Delta and be like, hell no.
I can't believe I ever did that.
I lost my bags.
I was stuck between two fat guys sweating on me.
joe rogan
There's going to be one day, I'm sure there's going to be a better version of that.
But the smoking in the sky is the most ridiculous one.
brian redban
Or when, like, nurses and dentists smoke while they're actually working?
unidentified
Oh, yeah!
Those old 1950s movies and shit?
brian redban
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, everyone smoked.
I was watching Invasion of the Body Snatchers the other day, the old version.
Fucking doctor sitting there, lighting up in the middle of a doctor's appointment.
brian redban
We're definitely talking too much about cigarettes today.
I'm freaking out.
dan hardy
Yeah.
joe rogan
He's junkie.
dan hardy
He's hooked.
joe rogan
But, yeah, the...
Do you think that...
I mean, it sounds like a crazy thing to say, but do you think that the future...
I'm sure you are, right?
Do you think that the future of the world...
Do you think that it really depends on how many people have psychedelic experiences?
dan hardy
Yeah.
joe rogan
That we need to tip the numbers.
In that direction in order to get just a large percentage of people that are at least willing to question the way the whole thing is built.
At least willing to question the way they're living their own lives.
At least willing to question what it is we're doing here.
What are we doing exactly?
Moving on momentum every day.
Getting up when your alarm clock goes off.
What the fuck are we doing?
dan hardy
But we're running on, like Terence McKenna would say, an operating system and the one that we're running on is prehistoric.
Everyone's trying to control each other.
Everyone's jealous of what everybody else has got and we really need to get past that and realise that I don't need to be jealous of what anybody else has got because I'm good with what I've got.
People are not finding peace so they surround themselves with things that they think make them happy.
joe rogan
We haven't been aware for very long.
I think that's a real problem.
I think that the human race is in the middle of waking up and trying to figure out what the fuck it did to get here and what it can do moving forward.
And right now we're still operating on what it did to get here.
We're still operating on the ripples of the effects of everything that's gone on in the past.
And so when you say something like that, like, yeah, I mean, people need to do psychedelics, they just immediately dismiss you.
Like, you're all, oh, this crazy fuck.
Like, listen to him.
Yeah, people need to do drugs.
Yeah, that's what they need to do, Dan Hardy.
They need to do drugs.
dan hardy
But the thing is, I don't think the focus should be, well, it has to be psychedelics.
It's just about people becoming more conscious, making conscious decisions.
And, you know, even when it comes to, like, diet and exercise practice and...
Just your approach to people and to relationships, to how you deal with people.
Your impact on the world.
And as soon as more people start thinking about that, then we're going to start moving forward.
I think psychedelics is just kind of a shortcut.
Like, you know, it just kind of upgrades you a little bit quicker.
You see things a little clearer.
Like, before my first ayahuasca experience, I always felt like I was in amongst my issues.
Like, they were surrounding me and I couldn't really see clearly.
I couldn't get the pieces in order to put them together right.
And as soon as that first ceremony was over, I felt like I could step back and look at all the pieces in front of me and, like, piece things together.
Almost like everything's a game.
You know, and I think...
Was it Tom Campbell you were talking to a while ago?
There's a video of you and him on...
On YouTube talking, and he's talking about the idea of...
joe rogan
Thomas Campbell?
dan hardy
Yeah, Thomas Campbell.
brian redban
The soup guy?
dan hardy
I'm sure that's his name.
joe rogan
What was it about, what we were talking about?
dan hardy
You know, just the idea, like The Matrix, like it's a video game.
joe rogan
Oh, I see.
I think they combined us in something.
dan hardy
Yeah, that's a good video anyway.
That's a very interesting video.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah, yeah, that's what it is.
There's a lot of people that do these brilliant videos.
dan hardy
Just kind of edit them together.
joe rogan
Yeah, they do them on their own.
No one tells them to do it.
They just do it.
And there's so many of them out there, man.
It's incredible.
dan hardy
But my approach to life now is almost like a video game.
Like, I'm constantly trying to level up.
I'm constantly trying to get to the next stage to try and, like, forced evolution almost.
joe rogan
Right.
dan hardy
You know?
And I think that, like, we were talking about this the other day, swimming in the lake, smoking weed, just kind of hanging out, and all of a sudden it all kind of fell into place for me.
Like, there are certain people that make an effort to reach a higher consciousness.
So imagine them as like bubbles on the table.
Imagine the table is full of bubbles.
And one of those people starts to drift off a little quicker.
And that is going to create a reaction of the people around it and then they're going to pull up.
And occasionally you're going to get like a Jim Morrison or a Hendrix or a Martin Luther King and they just kind of go and just pop and explode.
But they cause such a ripple that they start to raise everybody else's consciousness.
So I think everybody has a responsibility to raise their own.
And by doing that, we're gonna affect the people around us.
joe rogan
That's such a hippie term.
dan hardy
It is.
joe rogan
Raise your consciousness.
dan hardy
It is.
But I am a filthy hippie now.
joe rogan
But it sounds like what a dude would say if he was trying to fuck you.
You know, I'm just trying to raise your consciousness.
unidentified
If you and I made love, maybe bring us closer.
dan hardy
Wow, that does sound like me.
joe rogan
Listen, Dan Hardy, I know your tricks, son.
But what you're saying, though, I agree with entirely, even though it sounds like dirty hippy talk.
What you're saying is that we have to kind of realize that the only way to really enjoy this life is you got to not just bring yourself up, but bring up the people around you.
And as they rise up, it'll rise you up as well.
And that we really are all connected.
And it's your ego That keeps you from seeing that.
It's your ego from trying to separate yourself from all these people that are around you and thinking that you're on your own.
But you're not on your own.
No one's on their own.
dan hardy
And I struggle to come to terms with some things like the way Michael Vick treats animals.
There's a documentary I tweeted a while ago on YouTube and I apologize for anybody that watched it because it's the most awful thing I've ever seen.
It's called Earthlings.
And it's just a video of the different ways that humans use and treat animals.
And I got to like 26 minutes and I had to stop watching it.
It was so difficult.
And I always struggle with coming to terms with why that happens.
Why is that there?
And my conclusion is that because it causes me to have a reaction, to have a feeling about it.
So everybody that sees it, everybody that witnesses that, will immediately form an opinion and that defines them a little further to themselves.
We have to ask these questions about how do we feel about that.
That makes me feel uncomfortable.
I don't think that that's necessary and I don't want to watch that.
joe rogan
Well, it also, the reason why that exists, the reason why those things can happen is that people are willing to overlook Normal human morals and values in favor of profits.
As soon as the numbers, the one and the zero become the almighty, then you're fucked.
Because then you're caught up in the wave of ones and zeros yourself.
You can become just as disposable as anybody else.
That alone should Get people recognize that.
Humanely, if you want to get through this life humanely, you cannot only look at the ones and zeros.
Because that's everything that's fucked up about the world.
Whether it's war, whether it's manipulation of the markets, whether it's controlling a natural...
All of it is about ones and zeros.
unidentified
100%.
dan hardy
And the people that have built this society around it, this operating system that we function under...
They've kind of corralled us into a position where we don't have to make these decisions.
We don't have to ask these questions about, you know, does the Hummer that I drive drink far too much fuel and am I having too much impact on my environment around me?
Am I an asshole for driving it?
You know what I mean?
People don't need to ask this question.
joe rogan
And you say this as a man who loves classic cars.
dan hardy
You know, and it's a love-hate relationship.
I have my Pontiac sitting in the garage, and I drive it probably once a month.
And I've been talking about it, about selling it for a while.
joe rogan
You're going to get a Prius Dan Harney?
You better not get a Prius, son of a bitch.
dan hardy
I can't do a Prius.
unidentified
Don't do it.
dan hardy
But the thing is, the thing that doesn't make any sense.
joe rogan
Those Shelby GT500s, the new ones, are pretty fucking good on gas.
dan hardy
Really?
joe rogan
Turns out a big, powerful engine that's not working very hard is pretty efficient.
dan hardy
But the thing is, the technology's there.
As long as you don't drive like a douche.
unidentified
Just get the dancing bears around your belly button.
dan hardy
But it's like in the UK, I had a Kia sponsorship for a while in the UK and they would give me a new car every time I went back to drive.
joe rogan
What a thrill!
dan hardy
But seriously though, it was a 1.6 diesel, it got like 60 miles to the gallon.
So why is that technology not making it over to the U.S.? Because it's boring as fuck to drive.
joe rogan
There's no soul.
You can't listen to Leonard Skinner music where you're driving around in a Kia diesel.
dan hardy
So the option's a Prius that gets 42 miles to go.
joe rogan
Doesn't sound right.
You want to hear the engine.
You want to be able to shift your own gears, son.
All these things that are dying off.
I bemoan that.
dan hardy
But then on the flip side, you know, should I drive a car that drinks so much fuel so eventually we can get through this quicker and then the people that have control of the fuel will lose their power.
And then we can start thinking ahead, you know.
joe rogan
And then we need diesel to run our muscle cars.
dan hardy
It's a finite resource, so maybe we should just get through it as quickly as possible.
joe rogan
It is a finite resource apparently, but I don't understand how that works.
I don't understand how much oil is left.
The problem with one of those controversial subjects like peak oil is when you hear those guys talk, you don't know who the fuck is right.
You know, this guy's saying...
I read a book called Black Gold Stranglehold that was claiming that oil is a repeatedly made fluid.
And that wells that have gone dry, if you give them enough time, they start producing oil again.
dan hardy
The thing is though, the only people that know the real facts are the people that are in control anyway.
So why would they tell us the truth?
joe rogan
Yeah, I don't know.
I mean, the idea that anybody could own the oil, I mean, that's ridiculous.
That's the whole earth, you fuck.
You can't just fly over there in your metal boxes, Genghis Khan.
dan hardy
But I say this about Red Rock Canyon.
I'll go out there hiking and I'll get there at 4.50 and the park closes at 5. It's a mountain.
How does it close?
joe rogan
You know what that's from?
They're tired of picking people's pieces up and having people say, listen, you fucks, you can't be out here because it's dangerous and too many of you dummies get drunk and fall off cliffs and die.
dan hardy
I think those dummies should get drunk and fall off cliffs and die.
I think that's the way of thinning the hood without actually going out and shooting people.
joe rogan
I'm with you, son.
You know, there was a woman who recently died like this week in France, and she fell from like 900 feet off the top of a cliff.
By the time they got down to her, the vultures had already eaten her.
dan hardy
Well, that saved carrying her back.
joe rogan
Yes!
That's one way to look at it.
dan hardy
But let's just take all of the safety precautions that we have, fences around moving parts and crossings.
If you can't make it across the street without getting hit by a car, another thing as well, and I have a lot of people that disagreed with me when I spoke about this on Twitter, 15 mile an hour zones around schools.
If all the time, when I was a kid, I grew up around cars moving at 15 miles an hour, Why would I ever take them seriously as a threat?
unidentified
You know?
Like, we need respect for these things because these things are fucking dangerous.
joe rogan
Fuck yeah, that's totally true.
dan hardy
So we need to learn to be careful about it.
It's all about education.
joe rogan
Yes, I agree with you, but to play devil's advocate, there's too many dumb cunts out there that need a sign that gives them an unreasonable speed limit.
It's just they slow the fuck down when they're around schools.
Like our friends that we're talking about speeding and texting, you can't have a 60 mile an hour speed limit in front of a school It's all driving, okay?
Because someone's little kid's going flying over the hood.
I wouldn't want it to be little Dan Hardy.
dan hardy
Well, no, and it's an awful thing, but...
joe rogan
Fifteen miles an hour is smart, because kids also are stupid, and they tend to jump into traffic, and they, you know, I lost my piece of paper!
unidentified
Shit, man!
joe rogan
I need to fucking pass this class!
And they run out into the street, and boom!
You've got to be able to hit that brake!
You fuck!
unidentified
Hey, man!
dan hardy
Fuck you!
unidentified
Fuck you, old man!
dan hardy
But I don't ever remember anybody getting hit by a car outside of school when I was a kid.
And we had a 40 mile an hour zone outside of my school.
joe rogan
I'm sure.
dan hardy
I did see a woman get hit by a truck, though.
unidentified
Ooh, Jesus.
dan hardy
She had her groceries on the handlebar.
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
How bad was that?
dan hardy
Bad.
joe rogan
Oh, Jesus.
dan hardy
Yeah, bad.
unidentified
Oof.
joe rogan
Fucking A, man.
I don't want to see that.
But I have.
That's the problem with the internet.
I've seen everything.
At this point, you've seen so much.
dan hardy
Have you watched the video of the monk setting himself on fire?
joe rogan
Yes.
dan hardy
I spent a day watching that over and over again.
joe rogan
The one from Vietnam?
Yeah.
dan hardy
How do you prepare yourself for that?
joe rogan
He didn't even fucking move.
He never panicked.
He stayed in the lotus position until his body just came out.
dan hardy
Do you think you've taken something to numb it?
joe rogan
No.
I do not believe so.
I mean, if you're going to light yourself on fire, what fucking difference does it make of how you're doing it?
Just light yourself on fire, dude.
dan hardy
It's going to get kind of warm into it.
joe rogan
Did you see the bear eat the monkey?
dan hardy
No.
joe rogan
In Hong Kong?
Or Taiwan, maybe?
I forget.
Somewhere in Singapore?
I'm just making shit up now.
I don't know what the fuck had happened.
In some Asian country, there was a...
Carnival show where a bear was on a bicycle.
See, we pull it up, Jamie.
There's a bear on a bicycle.
dan hardy
Of course.
joe rogan
And a monkey on a bicycle.
And they're going around this ring, and this is it.
Pull it way up into the half of it, into it, before the bear loses his shit.
Yeah, right before there.
So the monkey crap, pull it back, pull it back, pull it back, pull it back, pull it back.
The monkey crashes a bike and the bear crashes into the monkey's bike when it's on the ground and just decides to eat the monkey.
It's like, you know what?
Fuck you.
So watch this.
Boom.
The monkey crashes.
The bear crashes on him.
It's like, you know what?
I think I'm just going to eat you.
And just fucking mauls that monkey.
And they're all grabbing him and pulling the monkey away.
And look at this.
That monkey is fucksville, son.
That bear is just going off on that monkey.
He's like, you stupid bitch.
You dropped your fucking bike.
That's it.
I've been thinking about eating you for months.
I bet his instincts were when something goes down in front of you, you just start eating it.
I think that's like bear 101, right?
If you're a bear and some shit trips in front of you like that, you just start eating.
You got a gift from the gods.
How could you not do that?
dan hardy
Why would you not?
joe rogan
You don't train bears, stupid.
You think you train bears.
You train for a little bit.
We got him to ride a bike.
And while he's riding that bike, he's going, I want to eat that monkey.
God damn, I want to eat that monkey.
dan hardy
Not many times you can use that sentence.
joe rogan
Yeah, unless you're Joey Diaz.
I think you use it all day.
Eat that monkey cocksucker.
So you had all these experiences.
Did it make you look at fighting any differently?
dan hardy
Yeah, yeah.
This is going to sound kind of odd, because I carried on fighting after the experience, but I kind of saw the futility in it, the pointlessness in it, you know?
I mean, there's a British comedy that kind of captures it really well.
They do like a parody of a soccer commercial.
And they're like, you know, talking about Manchester United and Arsenal and they'll win and they'll see who wins now and then next year it'll carry on just the same and there'll be more guys that win.
You know what I mean?
It's the same thing.
Like, I could be the champion for 10 years, but once that 11th year comes, there's going to be somebody else that's a champion and it will just continue on forever.
And it's the absolute core of the capitalist approach to life is to actually beat someone down to take food out of their mouth.
Which is really kind of odd, and I've never seen it like that before.
Normally it's like, yeah, I'm going to beat the hell out of that guy.
I'm going to take what he's got.
But now I'm kind of...
I like the competition.
I like the actual physical test of fighting, but not for the same reasons.
Not to be more successful and to...
joe rogan
Can you continue with the same passion, having different ideas of what's important about fighting?
dan hardy
Yeah, because, well, the one thing that I was really starting to focus on with the EMEA fight since I went to Peru, with the EMEA fight, and going into the brown fight as well, and this is the reason why I would at least like the option to carry on fighting.
I would like to be able to get cleared so I can I don't think I'll go back to fighting three times a year and chasing the belt because my focus is elsewhere now.
Where's your focus?
Well, there's a space that you get to when...
Do you read much Carl Sagan?
I have.
Dragons of Eden?
joe rogan
No, I haven't.
dan hardy
About the tree and brain.
I'm trying to understand the distinction between the different areas of the brain.
The reptilian brain, which is obviously responsible for all the aggressiveness, the instinctual stuff, the fighting and killing and all that kind of...
That's the reptilian brain, the political side of us, basically.
And then after that, then you've got like the old mammalian brain, which is where we start to make kind of like basic connections with people and understand that if we work as a group, we can survive better.
And then the next level up is obviously a higher consciousness, is having deeper understanding, deeper relationships and communications with people around you.
But there's a point when you fight where the reptilian brain takes over.
And I usually feel it after I've been cracked a couple of times.
Like when I was fighting Ludwig at the MGM, I was very conscious for the first 30 seconds or so of the fight.
And then as I stepped in, you remember he cracked me with that right hand right on the chin, and I rushed him up against the fence.
And immediately I switched over to instinct, and it's like being a passenger.
It's like I have no conscious decision-making ability in that time.
It's all instinct.
I'm not focused at all on what he's doing.
I'm just reading.
I'm just feeling.
And I want to see if I can get to that place for a longer period of time.
Do you know what I mean?
With the Amir fight, I felt like I would slip in and out of it.
The first round, it was so overwhelming because it was hometown.
My name was being shouted by 8,000 people or something.
I live next to the arena, so it occurred to me that if I lost, that would be on my mind every time I looked out of my window.
So the first round, I lost it.
I mean, I just kind of moved around and backed up.
And when I sat down in my corner after the first round, I apologized to my team.
I said, I'm sorry, I just had to get that out of the way.
But then the second and third round, I felt like I could reach that stage sometime where I just kind of allow my body to take over and just switch off and effectively just watch.
joe rogan
Do you think that's what Anderson's doing?
dan hardy
I think that's exactly what he's doing, yeah.
But I don't know as he's aware of himself doing it.
Do you know what I mean?
joe rogan
He's just so good.
That's how he locks in.
dan hardy
Yeah.
I just think when the fight starts, he immediately switches over.
But you can see it in people's eyes.
Like, Vanderlei's a great example.
If you watch one of Vanderlei's highlight reels where he's got a few of his stare-downs, he immediately switches to reptile mode as soon as he's fighting.
joe rogan
That's a great way of putting it with him, too.
dan hardy
It's true.
And, like, Mannhoff is another one.
Those guys that have just got that, like, instinctual rage, it just kind of comes on.
And this is why, like, you know, I've always kind of heard the term, you know, you...
You maintain 20% of the things that you learn in the gym in the actual fight.
When adrenaline and the actual fight is occurring, you only keep that 20% of what you've learned in the gym.
The idea is, being in the gym, you train yourself to the point where it does become instinct, and then when the fight happens, you just switch to reptile mode, and reptile mode uses the skills that you learn to get the job done more efficiently.
joe rogan
Do you think that becoming more aware or reaching a higher state of consciousness because of your experiences will actually help you because it'll abandon a lot of the distractions that you present yourself almost unknowingly?
dan hardy
Yeah, well, it helps me in training and particularly when I'm running now because I used to listen to like Pantera and...
And yeah, like vision of disorder when I was running.
And I'd worked myself into like a rage so I wouldn't run to exhaustion.
That was kind of how I trained.
And I trained all the way through my career like that.
And the last couple of fights I've switched it up, I've been listening to a lot more like binaural beat type of stuff when I'm running.
So I can get into more like a meditative stage, you know.
Doing a lot of yoga as well and trying to find the same thing where you're within yourself and you're not focusing on anything else.
So your body's almost like on autopilot.
joe rogan
Yeah, the music that you listen to when you train can have a profound effect on how you approach your training.
dan hardy
Yeah, it really can.
It's so important and that's why I've always been so vocal about all the stuff I listen to.
I had a training camp playlist so I'd tweet everyday songs I was listening to and that kind of thing.
It is important.
And the other thing as well, like, earlier on in my career, I would use music to anchor feelings.
So, like, when I fought Ludwig, I used a song called Iron by Woodkid, which was the first time I'd switched it up from England Belongs to Me for, like, you know, a bunch of fights.
So, like, for the 12 weeks of that fight, I was training with Frank Mir.
We were going up to Mount Charleston and out into Red Rock and, like, doing hill running and stuff.
And we had some real tough sessions.
I mean, you know, we really put ourselves through it for that training camp.
And as soon as I got back in my truck after the session, if I felt like it was a good session, it was productive and I felt positive, I would put that song on.
So I would constantly connect those feelings to that song.
So then when I'm walking out and that song comes on, immediately I get that feeling again.
unidentified
Huh.
dan hardy
And it's just like when you listen to a song and you think of a person.
Like, oh, I heard that song and I was with that person.
And you make that connection immediately.
But you can also train yourself to do it.
I listen to Cypress Hill now and it will take me back to fighting in Cage Warriors back in 2006. Wow.
And I have songs all the way through that now I don't listen to.
My first two fights, I came out to Pantera, dragged the waters.
By the time I got to the cage, I was so wound up and so angry that I just ran out of gas immediately.
You know what I mean?
And now whenever I listen to those songs, I get that feeling of exhaustion.
joe rogan
That's hilarious.
Yeah.
People have sex songs that remind them of sex.
Songs that remind you of disappointment.
Songs that remind you of ex-girlfriends.
dan hardy
Why did you connect sex to disappointment?
joe rogan
It's just standard, isn't it?
Isn't that how it goes?
Most of the time we're disappointed.
unidentified
Sex songs like something crazy from the spin doctor.
joe rogan
So, what's next from here?
If your focus has moved slightly off of fighting and you still are interested in fighting and you're still interested in seeing what sort of state you can achieve inside the Octagon, what else are you going to do with your time?
dan hardy
Well, I've been having a lot of ideas.
I've had a few ceremonies recently with various things and I've I've got quite a clear direction of where I want to go.
I want to get clear to fight.
I would like to be able to fight again.
Even if it's just once a year, once every 18 months or something.
And just have a fight with someone that's going to be a fun fight where I can kind of test some of these theories and see where I'm at physically.
But I'm going to start video blogging my training sessions because I do all kinds of stuff.
I do a lot of bickham yoga, a lot of hot yoga, trail running, Kettlebell sessions.
And then I want to be able to go into the gym and work on specific things.
Like last night I went into 10th Planet Van Nuys and just kind of had a roll around with those guys.
And I enjoyed it because it was very, very playful.
There was no agenda.
I had no agenda because I was in the moment.
joe rogan
You're just learning in the moment.
dan hardy
Exactly.
And obviously when you've got a training camp, I always felt like I was wishing my life away because I'm constantly waiting for a date that's five, six weeks ahead.
So I'm never in the moment.
I'm always in the moment that's to come.
justin wren
George was talking about how much he enjoys training in between fights because then he just will go box for like six weeks or eight weeks, just only boxing, concentrate only on that.
joe rogan
Then he'll do jiu-jitsu in New York.
He'll go there with Donaher and train with him for six weeks, whatever he wants.
dan hardy
I just want to do that.
I'm going to take a trip out to Southeast Asia and do a little tour of Thailand.
joe rogan
Are you going to become a shaman, Dan Hardy?
dan hardy
I don't know.
joe rogan
I feel like you are on that path.
dan hardy
I'm moving in an interesting direction.
But I want to start kind of promoting more of an alternative lifestyle of what I'm doing, what with my diet and my teacher plants, medicines and And my approach to training and health, you know.
I'm really, really focused on getting strong and flexible right now.
That's my main focus.
Through, you know, kettlebells and bodyweight exercises and lots of stretching.
And I'm just kind of interested to see where this journey is going to go.
My goal is to basically get paid to be myself.
That's what I want to do.
joe rogan
And to improve yourself.
dan hardy
Yeah, exactly.
I have sponsors right now that are supportive.
Obviously, what with Zions and Fear the Fighter and Venom.
I want them to continue to support me while I'm on this quest and doing all this kind of...
Interesting stuff.
So I figured if I put a video blog out there for people to watch, it gives them a bit more of a connection.
Wolfcam, I think I'm going to call it Wolfcam.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's called the Wolfcam.
Fuck yeah.
dan hardy
That's pretty good.
So I think that's what I'm going to do.
I have some other ideas as well.
I have a few people to speak to about some business ideas that I have.
Again, all within the same direction.
joe rogan
If it's illegal, don't admit it on this podcast.
dan hardy
It's most definitely not illegal.
joe rogan
Okay, good.
At least not in Peru.
dan hardy
No, like try and help promote a more clean and conscious lifestyle.
joe rogan
So what is your diet now?
dan hardy
I'm predominantly vegan now.
You son of a bitch.
I thought we'd get into this.
joe rogan
I heard this come up a couple of times.
You went dark on me, son of a bitch.
dan hardy
I'm not giving it a name because it's not really got a name.
I'm just kind of...
My approach to animal products are I will...
I will have animal products occasionally if I know that it's from a source that I'm comfortable with.
joe rogan
Like hunted meat or free-range chicken or something like that?
dan hardy
Exactly.
joe rogan
I will eat fish all day long because fish don't even take care of the babies.
That's my logic on fish.
Anybody who doesn't eat fish is crazy.
dan hardy
But what about from a selfish point of view if you don't know where the fish is from?
Like if you went out to a restaurant and it was just...
joe rogan
Farm-raised is not good.
A lot of farm-raised stuff is not good.
Because, first of all, a lot of times they're exposed to higher levels of mercury, apparently, or higher levels of toxins.
Because if you're in, like, these tanks of water or farms of all fish shit on each other, it's just...
dan hardy
It's not a healthy environment.
joe rogan
It doesn't taste as good.
I mean, it's better than not eating it.
I mean, it's not that bad, but I think that it's been proven that when you see like red, deep red salmon, and then you see like the salmon that you get, like this farm-raised salmon where they have to dye it pink, it's been proven that that wild stuff tastes better.
There's something better about it.
It's probably better for you.
I don't know if it's better for you, but it's probably better for you.
dan hardy
I tweeted something the other day.
I was in a store in Boise, Idaho.
And it was a photograph of the ingredients of a bottle of soda and one of the ingredients was artificial wild cherries.
joe rogan
That's hilarious.
Welcome to America.
Monsanto probably owns the patent on artificial wild cherries.
dan hardy
So we were talking about this, and I got into my theory of stoner language, stoner understandings of the world.
Things that you see if you smoke weed that other people that smoke weed don't.
And that's that kind of thing.
Artificial wild cherries.
joe rogan
Wow.
dan hardy
You tweeted that?
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's hilarious.
It is really funny.
unidentified
People that don't...
dan hardy
People who use plants in various ways don't see these things.
They don't pick up on these things.
joe rogan
Sometimes they do.
dan hardy
Artificial wild cherries.
joe rogan
People can.
I'm not a 100% proponent of all people using marijuana because I know some people who can't.
dan hardy
Well, yeah.
joe rogan
I know they can't.
dan hardy
But you know when you hear somebody say something like that, you're like, yeah, that guy's a stoner.
joe rogan
Yeah, there's certain things that people say where you automatically know this guy gets high.
But I have friends that seem like they get high and they don't get high.
Like Stanhope.
Doug Stanhope totally seems like he would get high, but he doesn't get high.
He doesn't like it.
This doesn't make him feel paranoid.
He doesn't like it at all.
dan hardy
Maybe some people are just naturally inclined to be like that.
joe rogan
I couldn't tell.
I feel like it's obvious when you look at terrible people that someone's brain works different than your brain or my brain.
When you see a guy like Gandhi, for sure his brain worked different than my brain.
There's just no doubt about it.
He also had his own path and he also had his own intentions and his own life.
But I just can't imagine that his interpretation of life was the same as my interpretation of life.
And if that's the case, how the fuck do I know what pot does to you?
How the fuck would I know?
I know people can't smoke it.
They smoke it and then they'll wake up three days later with their pants off in the jungle.
Sounds like a good weekend.
dan hardy
Maybe.
joe rogan
Unless one of those wandering spiders.
Gets you and gives you a heart on until you die.
dan hardy
I spent two weeks walking around the jungle in my underwear.
joe rogan
How dare you, sir?
Did you get nervous?
dan hardy
No.
joe rogan
Nothing biting you?
dan hardy
Nothing.
joe rogan
Did you feel like you had the secret on your side and you were putting out the positive vibes?
dan hardy
I felt like I was very connected to it all.
Like I wasn't going to mess with anything and they weren't going to mess with me.
It was, yeah.
joe rogan
Did you see jaguars in your ayahuasca trip?
dan hardy
I didn't.
I could hear it.
No.
We could hear them, though, yeah.
Because the jungle was literally outside of the...
joe rogan
Oh, dude.
Wait a minute.
So you're on ayahuasca and you hear jaguars?
dan hardy
Uh-huh.
unidentified
Jesus!
dan hardy
Yeah.
joe rogan
What are you hearing?
What are you hearing?
dan hardy
You could just hear them fighting occasionally.
Yeah, just coming into contact occasionally with each other.
joe rogan
Come on.
Does that make you shit your pants?
dan hardy
Not as much as the plane going over.
That was really scary.
joe rogan
Oh, the little...
dan hardy
Yeah.
No, we were on flight paths for Iquitos, which is like the nearest airport, and like at 8.30 every night, so like 30 minutes into the ceremony.
Like we were in...
It's called the Malacca, the ceremonial building.
It was like a big circular wooden building.
And it's got net up to like, you know...
A net a meter high off the floor, so you're in the jungle pretty much.
There's not much separating you.
And there's all kinds of noises and crazy stuff going on.
And it kind of becomes comfortable after a while.
joe rogan
The bugs are really loud, right?
dan hardy
Yeah, they are.
And the frogs as well.
But the plane was such an alien kind of sound, because we only heard it a couple of times a day.
And the last time we heard it was 8.30 at night, just after we'd had the dose of ayahuasca and it started to come on.
The next thing I can hear is over my head.
And I can feel everybody else's consciousness on that plane.
I know there are like 250 people up there and I'm feeling all of that kind of energy go over.
It was really weird.
And it happened every night, every ceremony.
joe rogan
And those third world plane flights, them's a little different side.
dan hardy
Yeah.
joe rogan
Chickens in the back tied down with fucking duct tape.
brian redban
You saw that plane crash that happened last week?
That freaked me out.
joe rogan
Did you see that from Afghanistan?
It was a cargo plane, and they think that the cargo shifted, the load shifted, like it wasn't tied down properly.
And when that happens, if the load shifts, the plane just immediately, all the weight goes to the front or the back of the plane, and it just nosedived.
Wow.
unidentified
Ooh.
joe rogan
Yeah.
It's pretty fucked up.
We'll end on that for a nice, beautiful, cheery way to end.
Just to let everybody know that you could defy gravity for short periods of time every now and again, but if you fuck up, or it fucks up, or there's mechanical failure, or...
Jesus Christ, imagine watching that.
unidentified
Wow.
dan hardy
Imagine being on that bus driving past it.
joe rogan
Oh my god, that bus almost got hit by a plane that fell from the sky.
dan hardy
It's like a scene off Final Destination 16 or something.
joe rogan
One day when we have magnetic UFO looking things that can't even run into each other because they have magnets on the outside so they go like this when they bounce off each other.
We'll look at point crashes.
I think they're probably already on it.
dan hardy
You think?
joe rogan
They always talk about whenever serious physicists discuss the possibility of space travel, like interstellar space travel, like Stanton Friedman, like how could aliens be doing it?
One of the things they always concentrate on is some sort of magnetic drive.
The guy, Dr. Robert Lazar, he's an often criticized gentleman who claimed to work at Area 51. Whether or not that guy told the truth, I don't know.
But he described some sort of back engineering that they were doing at Area 51, and it was some sort of magnetic drive.
The idea is that you figure out how to use magnets or something to overcome gravity and to create a little hole in space and time and just fly around through that.
Whatever the fuck I even said, Dan Hardy, I don't even understand.
It shouldn't be legal for me to say what I just said, because I don't even know what the fuck it means.
dan hardy
Wow.
I got really into aliens when I was younger.
When I was in my teens, it was like everything was aliens.
I really hope I get to experience some kind of...
Contact before I die.
joe rogan
Did you see this latest disclosure, these five days of disclosure hearings on Capitol Hill?
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
Dude.
dan hardy
Dude.
joe rogan
Crazy shit.
unidentified
Really?
joe rogan
All these different, you know, the real problem with any sort of UFO thing is that it looks silly.
It looks silly.
You saying you saw a UFO makes you a silly person.
More silly even than ayahuasca.
Because at least ayahuasca has a great body of Evidence to support what's going on neurochemically.
Saying that you saw a UFO immediately become a silly person.
All these like former military people, all these people that were air traffic controllers, pilots, all these people report these unbelievably unique experiences.
I don't know if they're telling the truth or not, but if they were telling the truth, if just one of these things happened every now and again, of course it would seem ridiculous to us on the outside.
The people sitting down here, it's natural to criticize it and make fun of it and laugh at it because it is kind of crazy to think that.
But if just one of those is true, if just one of those are a real craft from another dimension, from another planet, If you don't think that that's possible, you're silly.
If you don't think that within, from here, in every direction, infinite space, what does that even mean?
We don't even know what the fuck that means, right?
dan hardy
I can't even comprehend that.
joe rogan
There's gotta be something out there that's further than us.
dan hardy
I think it's ignorant to think that there's not.
joe rogan
If we survive, if we, little pesky humans, figure out how to keep going for another couple million years, who knows what the fuck we're gonna figure out.
To think that somebody else can't be out there.
And what would we do if someone was out there?
We would go check them out.
dan hardy
Yeah, of course.
joe rogan
Fuck yeah, we'd check them out.
We'd go to the Congo.
We go to the Congo and we check out tribes.
We check out tribes of fishermen.
They're hanging off fucking trees, picking up fish with nets.
We go watch them.
dan hardy
What do you think about the theory of the interaction with our history and how they've helped guide us?
joe rogan
It's all speculation.
It's complete speculation.
Because you don't know whether or not you look at ancient drawings.
You don't know what's fantasy.
You don't know what's a story.
You don't know what's their version of fucking The Hobbit.
They might make up stories.
Who knows?
It could be their version of Twilight.
That's when you look at aliens in the wall.
It's their version.
Like they told a stupid story to make everybody go to sleep.
Who knows?
We know that it's art.
We've seen in their art these depictions that closely resemble what we would think to be alien spacecrafts or alien beings.
But we don't really know what the fuck it is.
It's not that much evidence.
It's a small amount of evidence.
There's a few cool videos.
They're like, hmm, what is that?
I don't know what the fuck that is.
I don't even know if it's real.
It's hard to tell.
But if it happened to you, man, you'd fucking know.
And that's what you can't discount.
You can't discount the possibility of unique experience.
But once you've had a DMT trip, aliens seem like so passe.
dan hardy
It's just kind of matter of fact, I think.
It's kind of like, well, yeah, of course.
joe rogan
Well, not only that, it's like to have that experience, like a ship lands and they get out, it would be so less bizarre because it's all taking place right here.
dan hardy
You can see it.
It's external.
joe rogan
What's taking place also in the dimension that we're comfortable with, where we can walk on the grass and feel the grass, where we step on rocks, we feel the rocks under our shoe, your car is parked over there, you see the clouds above you, and then everything is basically normal except this new introduced element into your environment that you have to not accept.
Fucking little dude from another planet.
Holy shit, this really is true.
That's nothing compared to a DMT trip.
Because a DMT trip, the dimension that you exist in becomes of vibrant, glowing colors with no background and constantly changing geometric patterns that are fractal and infinite.
That's way crazier than an alien landing.
dan hardy
But the thing is, we're in an environment now where, particularly with the internet, We've effectively seen most things.
I remember when I was in China and I was walking down the street with a friend of mine who was a 230-pound ripped black dude.
And these Chinese dudes were just in awe.
They just stood and watched him as he walked down the street.
joe rogan
Like the Green Mile.
dan hardy
Exactly.
And then think back to, I don't know.
You know, when the Romans were fighting different tribes and they were taking elephants with them, like when they took elephants to Britannia.
There's a tube station in London called Elephant and Castle, which was, you know, this elephant crossing this plane with this dude sitting on top riding it.
The barbarians that were living there at the time just lost their shit and ran away.
Like, why wouldn't you?
You know what I mean?
joe rogan
Yeah.
dan hardy
But we don't have those experiences anymore because we've seen everything or, you know, we might see something that's a new species, but it's only a variation of something that's already familiar to us.
joe rogan
Right.
dan hardy
Like, imagine seeing an elephant for the first time if you've lived in, like...
I don't know, England.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Jesus Christ.
dan hardy
It would blow your mind.
joe rogan
When did they know that elephants existed?
When was it first documented?
dan hardy
I don't know.
joe rogan
By Western world.
Obviously, Africans would be listening to this going, Bitch, we've known about elephants for 70,000 years!
When did you figure out elephants?
They were like, Oh, when did the civilized folk learn of the larger animals on the plains?
You know, when did they discover?
When did people discover elephants?
Oh, it wasn't until 1900. Once white people got down there.
Proper people.
dan hardy
Imagine when the explorers first saw a giraffe.
joe rogan
Yeah.
dan hardy
How much would that blow your mind?
joe rogan
Well, I guess we grew up with them though, didn't we?
I mean, if you believe that human life emanated from the lower hominids that existed in Africa and came down from the rainforest into the grasslands, we would have probably been around them.
dan hardy
But would they still not seem unfamiliar?
joe rogan
Alien as well.
dan hardy
If you were from Mongolia.
joe rogan
Oh yeah, then it'd be alien as well.
If you came over from...
I mean, essentially if you go anywhere where you haven't been there before and they have some new shit, you're like, what are you doing with fucking kangaroos everywhere?
What the fuck?
I have a friend named Eddie Ift.
He's a stand-up comic.
And he's done very well in Australia.
And he goes over there quite a bit.
And one of the things he told me was that he first encountered a kangaroo.
Kangaroos have killed people, like, many times.
Like, they will fucking rip you apart.
And he didn't know how big they got.
There's two kangaroos, like, a red one and a gray one, I guess.
One of them is giant.
One of them is, like, nine feet tall.
And he was out in this guy's yard, and he saw this kangaroo, and he thought it was a statue, because it was too big.
He started walking towards it, because it was nine feet tall.
And he was like, well, that's not really a kangaroo.
A kangaroo isn't that tall.
And his friends go, stop!
unidentified
Walking and turn around now!
joe rogan
Get the fuck away from that thing!
And Tangaroo like looks at him and all of a sudden he realizes, oh Jesus, this is a nine foot squirrel that's about to fuck me up.
dan hardy
Yeah, that's a scary thought.
joe rogan
It's a nine-foot jumping squirrel that will kick your guts out.
dan hardy
Yikes!
But the thing is, my point still stands out.
He's still seen what a kangaroo looks like, even if he's not expecting a nine-foot one.
Right.
Even if a velociraptor showed up right now in this room.
We've seen it.
We've kind of seen it.
We kind of know what they look like.
There's no surprises.
But an alien landing, that's still kind of a shock to the system.
But then again, on top of that, the DMT realm is...
Completely removed altogether.
joe rogan
Yeah, and aliens, the problem I always have with aliens is they look so much like us in the future.
dan hardy
Yeah.
joe rogan
I always wonder whether or not, I mean, the grand theory is the simulation theory, that we're living inside some sort of artificial reality, and that the aliens really are us, and that's why we have this weird image of that being us in the future.
We're already there, and we didn't like it.
It sucks.
It's boring.
We sort of evolved the fun out of life, so we've created this crazy simulation that we all exist in.
That's the grand theory.
That's the grand theory involving the aliens, for me at least.
dan hardy
Okay.
joe rogan
That's why they look like us.
And that's why they have big black things for their eyes.
We fuck the environment so hard that you have to have sunglasses everywhere.
Everywhere you go, you have to have built-in sunglasses.
So we just artificially create sunglasses for each other.
Just put giant fucking black things over your eyes.
Done.
Dan, don't worry about the fucking hyper-violent rays or whatever is out there jacking you.
brian redban
We have really long fingers from texting.
joe rogan
Exactly.
Well, at that point in time, you probably control everything with your mind.
dan hardy
Yeah.
joe rogan
There's probably no need for muscles.
That's why they're so skinny.
There's little tiny dudes with giant heads, and they control everything with their minds.
dan hardy
Do you think we could potentially evolve to that stage?
joe rogan
Unquestionably.
dan hardy
Really?
joe rogan
No doubt about it.
I think that if we can send, to this day, this computer's not hooked up to anything, Dan Hardy, but yet it's on the internet.
dan hardy
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's getting the internet through the space around us.
You're telling me that that can't eventually be human consciousness itself traveling through space, through some sort of a mechanism for generating it or promoting it or projecting it?
brian redban
Do you know the fart theory, Dan?
joe rogan
It's coming.
It's coming.
Do you know the fart theory?
dan hardy
I don't know the fart theory.
joe rogan
My alien fart theory is this.
If someone farted and you didn't have a sense of smell, you'd have no idea that you're sitting in someone's fart.
Because you can't see it.
You know, you really don't know.
And farts are like a real fart.
You're like, oh my god, and you'll get the fuck out of your clothes.
But you don't see a damn thing.
Somehow or another you've been affected by something that you didn't pick up with your normal senses or with all of your normal senses.
You heard it and then you smelt it but you saw nothing.
How do we not know there's not an infinite amount of things all around us all the time that we just do not have the ability to detect or quantify?
dan hardy
So that's your argument for people that laugh at you when you use the term energy.
Like we start talking about energy and stuff, and like, bros are like, oh yeah, yeah, whatever, whatever.
joe rogan
Bros, yeah, bros are always a problem.
dan hardy
It's always about a fart, though.
joe rogan
Can't smell fart.
Yeah, and you don't know what the fuck that is.
That's energy.
Yeah.
And the bigger the dude, more likely the more energy he's going to put on his farts.
You know?
I mean, if Tony Hinchcliffe farts, or if Joey Diaz farts, which way do you want to lean?
brian redban
You mean when Tony queefs.
unidentified
Come on.
joe rogan
Hey!
Easy!
Come on, man.
Listen, Dan Hardy, you're a bad motherfucker.
Thank you so much.
I'll have you on any time you're around, man.
Any time you want to come back, we could do this for...
I have to leave, otherwise I would keep going forever.
I think you and I could talk for a long time.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And we've been friends for a long time, man.
You're a cool motherfucker.
I like you and I'm very appreciative of how you are evolving as a human being.
I think it's really fascinating to watch and I congratulate you on your travels.
dan hardy
Thank you.
Well, I'll be out helping Mac out and stuff.
joe rogan
So you're going to be for a while.
dan hardy
I'll be around in California and I'll kind of...
joe rogan
Let's do it again in a couple weeks.
dan hardy
Let's do that.
joe rogan
Let's do it again.
Powerful Dan Hardy.
All right, my brother.
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You're talking to yourself?
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