Joe Rogan and Daniele Bolelli critique societal dogma, from 1500s Europe’s Bible-burning death penalties to modern religions cherry-picking beliefs—like Mormonism’s reversed dark-skin doctrine. Bolelli’s Create Your Own Religion advocates adaptability over rigid ideology, mirroring Bruce Lee’s martial arts approach. They debate euthanasia vs. prolonged suffering, comparing it to flawed gun control logic, and mock Puritan hypocrisy, including Massachusetts’ cannibalism and California’s 1850s scalp bounties. Rogan praises Bolelli’s unfiltered, engaging teaching style, clashing with academia’s avoidance of controversy, while dismissing institutional history as sterile. Ultimately, they argue that progress demands rejecting outdated systems—whether religious, political, or educational—that prioritize control over human dignity. [Automatically generated summary]
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It's awesome because when I think about it, I've been here 20 years and I still speak like a fob, but because it's Italian fob, then it's like, ooh, exotic European.
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Whereas if I was Bulgarian or some shit, I would be just… We would be not trusting you.
And the number of times that I say something in the classroom and I realize my students are just looking at each other like, what the fuck did you just say?
Like, I did this forever.
Nobody ever told me anything.
I always use the word, you know, when I say sovereignty, I used to say sovereignty.
That's interesting when you're learning a language and you've never said words that are fairly common read.
Like Sovereignty, like I have a few, there's a few that occasionally, like I don't, I can't think of any off the cuff, but I know there's some where I've only read them.
I've never said them.
And then when someone says them, I'm like, which one is that?
I heard somewhere they were saying, particularly northern Europeans, they do many things right, but definitely the romance department is not the one that they are most renowned for.
So a lot of the women come down for vacation in Italy to hook up for random summer flings with the exotic, romantic Italian story, and then they go back to have their regular life.
For fun, for passion, for partying, for, you know, just to laugh with your friends.
And if you can't do that, if you can't let that go, you're tightly knit and figuring out how to fucking use gears and levers in order to make your car work better.
Seriously, man, because you see the videos and you see these Thousands of people standing, totally disciplined, listening, complete silence to the guy going crazy.
And then when you finish the sentence, they all jump up with one shout.
Just coming over here, I was listening to a Dan Carlin's episode, to the latest Hardcore History, and he was going off about this story about what was happening in Germany in the 1500s.
Yeah, I guess it's the origins of Lutherism, and what he's talking about was, I did not know this, and this is one of the amazing things about that podcast, I did not know that most people couldn't read the Bible as recently as 1500. Death penalty offence in most countries.
If you owned your own Bible, you read the Bible by yourself, not in Latin, through the priest, but instead you had your own thing, you could be put to death.
But that's the thing that makes you wonder about human beings, that the vast majority of human beings just go with the program of whatever they are taught in those times.
And when you look at that, like, even if you look back 70 years and you look at racism in the United States, anybody who went along with the norm of what was typical in American society 70 years ago would be seen as, like...
batshit crazy today.
And yet, back then, there were plenty of people against it, but they were the minority.
The majority of people were like, yeah, of course, those damn people of color.
It's weird.
It's like, people are Donkeys being trained with the carrot and the stick since they are born.
Well, the real problem with that is that should be the way we do it.
We should go on other people.
The problem is there's too many dummies out there.
There's too many people out there that don't know what the fuck is going on in their own life and they can't give you advice and they can't give you an honest assessment whether something works or doesn't work is good or is not good.
But that should be the way we go on it.
And it should be that we can completely trust everybody.
You know, if we could figure out how to eliminate deception...
That would be one of the best things ever for the human race.
If we could figure out how to eliminate the need to steal and deception.
Whether it's in business or in your personal life, your friendships.
And when we figure that out, that's going to be gigantic.
Because it's really, that's one of the beauties when people start talking about psychedelics helping people.
One of the beautiful things is that it eliminates the ego.
And the ego is the one that's locking you into all that stupid shit.
The ego is locking you into your past experiences.
The ego is locking you into your idea of who you are.
That's the kind of shit that allows people to do creepy things.
That's what allows people to steal and deceive and use trickery.
That's someone who's like, your ego's allowing you to do that.
Your sense of humanity and justice.
How would you want the world to behave?
What if everyone was like that?
By doing it yourself, are you giving the green light for everyone to just go straight pirate?
Do you know how hard human beings have worked for so fucking long to get ourselves to a position where We can walk down the street in almost every city in the country and be reasonably safe when you're driving and you can be reasonably safe, despite the fact that you're dealing with millions and millions and millions of people.
When you go rogue, you cunt up this whole awesome system that everybody's been busting their ass.
Man, there's so many fucking words I can say, but in any case...
There are a lot of laws I break on a fairly regular basis, but my, I guess, moral standpoint on that is anything I do, whether legal or illegal, the end result can't be hurting another human being.
If anybody walks home crying because of something I did, it's fucked up.
If I'm breaking laws that don't really hurt another human being, there's not one person who's going to shed a tear over it, then I have no problem with it, you know?
Well, I agree with that if you're running a red light at 3 in the morning when there's no one around.
I agree with that.
But I think even if – certain laws like financial laws, there's a reason why people are willing to steal things from their job and people are willing to lie about their taxes.
And one of the reasons is that regular people, people who are worried about their money and scratch and scrape and save for vacations if they ever get a vacation – Regular people see the type of shit that goes on on Wall Street.
They see, like, those houses on the Hamptons on those TV shows and those crazy places in Greenwich, Connecticut, where these people have fucking airports in their backyard and helicopter landing pads in the middle of their...
Polo field.
It's insane money.
You're talking about people who have hundreds and hundreds of millions of dollars, so many of them.
And what do they offer?
What do they do?
Well, they're in the financial business.
They move numbers around.
They figure out a way to extract money from the system.
That's what they do.
They get really good at extracting money from the system.
And the best piece of evidence is what's in front of them.
I mean, if you're going to be in the game anyway, then I have no problem breaking certain laws, but I don't break my own laws.
You know what I mean?
Social laws, fuck it.
Whatever.
As long as...
The problem is, when people...
When people stop being goody-goody and go buy the book, they, at that point, they just go nuts, right?
So it's like, it's not just that they slightly break a few laws because those laws don't make sense, it's they go all out and there's a rape and pillage and whatever the fuck.
Or they are these goody-goody freaks who are...
Both of them, I mean, I prefer the one that's not going to shoot you at 3am, but at the end of the day, they both are stuck in this dogmatic view of the world about how it's supposed to be.
And to me, once you break laws, you have to be, there's a Bob Dylan line in one of his songs that he says, to live outside the law, you must be honest, which sounds like a paradox, right?
Because he's saying, what the fuck do you mean?
Like, How are you going to be honest by breaking laws?
And it really is.
You need to be, otherwise you turn into some fucked up criminal.
But if you're going to do it, you need to have some pretty serious moral safeguard that you have on your own.
Then you don't need any god or cop to catch you to make you not do it.
You don't do certain things because they are fucked up, period.
And you're just not going to do it because it's what's inside of you.
I realized a few days ago, I was, you know, like Facebook has those things like inspirational people or shit like that, where you're playing, you throw down some names.
I realized I put down Robin Hood twice.
I was like, shit, really?
Twice?
That important to me?
At different point in time, I'm like, okay, I see a pattern here.
The fact that kings ever worked, that that ever worked, that anybody was ever willing to, like, admit your grace, royalty, you know, that's one of the beautiful things about that, and I know it's a fantasy novel, but Game of Thrones is the way they communicate with each other, the way the royals, like, have this secret guarded way of communicating with each other, but the actors are so good that it's like, The intention is very clear throughout everything, and they have this very proper way of handling and managing every situation.
Absolutely, but the thing that, yeah, the thing that trips me out is not only how it evolves, that part is actually the cool part about it, is how it evolves that one day some guy shows up and say, you know what, I'm gonna be your king, you call me your majesty, and it's not because God wants it to be that way.
Do you think that being a king and that kind of thing comes from the original alpha male primate behavior that chimps exhibit and monkeys exhibit where there's one that's always the alpha?
So almost like we have this weird broken need to have that one.
So we go looking for it, whether it's a king or a priest or whatever.
It could also be, and one doesn't exclude the other, but it could also be like in hunting and gathering societies, which is how we have lived the majority of time we've been around, You have kind of this informal leadership because it's all like 20, 30 people who have known each other all their life.
So when there's a decision to be made, everybody turn to you because you are cool, you're smart.
Last time you gave us good advice.
You don't have real power.
But when you settle down and you start living in farming communities and the 30 people become 300 and then become 3,000, there's a lot more of those little inner fights.
You know, people within the tribe who start fighting each other.
And so you need the leader to come mediate because he's a cool guy.
But it stops being, oh, you're a nice guy.
You do that once in a while.
It becomes a full-time job.
And it becomes so important to keep the society together, make sure that people don't kill each other.
It's like, you know what?
Stop planting your fields.
Don't worry about that.
We understand that it's a pain in the ass for you to constantly be Having to worry about our little squabbles, but it's such an important job, we'll plant for you.
And suddenly there's a division of social classes, where suddenly somebody's a specialized job that emerged, maybe because they are cool people.
Maybe it starts out that people give them that power.
Hey, man, you're really smart.
You can always solve the problem.
And then, the bigger the society gets, the more the social stratification, the more that position becomes entrenched, solid, unquestionable.
It passes to their kids, kings, divine right, all of that shit.
But probably the way it starts, it starts in a mellow, normal way.
Like, oh, man, you're a cool guy.
You give good advice.
Please help us mediate, you know?
And the more the need for mediation increases, the more important the role becomes, until it becomes something above and separate from everybody else's.
I mean, the whole speech by Heisenhower in the 50s was a trip because, you know, Heisenhower, a Republican guy, was led troops in World War II, you know, not the most Conspiracy theory inclined, you know, he's a very straight-by-the-book kind of guy, and yet when he announces, you know, the biggest threat facing the United States in the 50s, everybody says, well, communism, right?
No, military-industrial complex.
He's like, the fuck are you talking about again?
And you know, the guy is...
A military guy himself, a fairly conservative guy, and yet he makes the call saying if you let certain industries that profit on war get too big, they will get to have influence over government pushing us to fight wars when we don't really need it because of their own profit.
And, you know, if it comes from some random hippie telling you this, it's like, yeah, whatever, you know.
It comes from this straight-laced, by-the-book kind of guy.
But I mean controversial in that a lot of parents are going to think that that's like liberal programming and then what you're doing is bullshitting these kids with your hippie ideas and you're fucking with my kid's head.
They showed you Lee Harvey Oswald, and they showed Jack Ruby killing Lee Harvey Oswald.
God darn it.
We'll never even know now why he killed the president.
Like, they taught us that in high school.
And this is like...
Years after they had the Zapruder film shown on the Geraldo Rivera show, where Dick Gregory, the stand-up comedian, brought it on the Geraldo Rivera show and showed people the view of the assassination from Essentially, where this guy, Zapruder, was standing, which we had never seen the actual assassination before.
And when people watched it, the first thing they thought was that this guy looks like he's been shot from the front.
Right.
Like, it doesn't look like he got—his head goes back into the left.
Mm-hmm.
Like, he got shot by more than one person, too.
He got shot in his back.
He got shot.
There's one wound that they turned into a tracheotomy wound.
But I guess what you're saying puts things in perspective for me, because there are a bunch of times when I'm teaching class, and to me I'm saying the things that are the most normal things that everybody would know.
And I see everybody kind of like jaw drop to the ground, like...
What the fuck?
Really that happened?
I'm like, yeah, doesn't everybody...
Isn't that kind of the stuff that you normally teach?
And it's precisely because the 60s were going on that conservatives got freaked out and they started, oh my God, the country is going in this crazy, wild, godless, liberal direction.
We need to take it back.
They got hardcore politically organized to try to elect and they got Nixon in office.
Yeah.
But yeah, man, Nixon is a trip.
They say that the election of 1960 was the first election where the debate was on TV. And they say that people who listen on the radio to the debate think that Nixon had done pretty well.
But then people who watch it on TV, they overwhelmingly thought Kennedy dominated.
When you tell people, you know, you trust first impressions, they're like, ah, that's superficial, they're only looking at somebody's good looking or not.
It's not even about that.
There's a vibe to people.
To me, I'm a big believer that I don't know exactly what you see, I don't know if it's some specific body language, I don't know what it is that you see, but to me it's...
Everything you've ever gone through is written on your skin.
Is it how you move?
Is it how you talk?
Is it how you do everything?
So it shows up.
To me, it's not weird that some people can't see it.
It's like, why the fuck can't most people see it?
It's like a chihuahua can sniff you for three seconds and decide whether to bark at you or be all like...
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If a chihuahua can do it, Yeah, but let me tell you something.
And then when they ask her from jail, like they have a jailhouse interview, it's stunning how well she lies about this.
And you know what's a beautiful thing that people do so well when they lie about shit like that?
Well, how are you staying calm, my faith?
Just think about that statement, that your faith, after you stabbed a dude like 28 times, shot him in the head, slid his neck, like this bitch did some crazy shit to this guy's body.
And how much have we really put into trying to help people that are doing a shitty job of raising their children?
How much...
I mean, besides like...
I don't know what you can do, really.
I mean, besides actively going in there and taking their kids away, you know, but just some form of education, some community center, something.
I just feel like when you see like really, really poor neighborhoods that are ignored, you're just asking for problems.
You're just asking for problems.
You should fix that, level that up as much as possible, help those people out as much as possible, and help them to get the fuck out of there.
And the thing that drives me crazy about people when they talk about people that are in the ghetto, like, oh, they're poor, they're lazy, that's why they're still on welfare.
You know, if they don't want to work, you don't...
You don't get it.
You don't get it.
They are in a shit spot.
And it's super hard to have a good mentality when you're in a shit spot.
It's very hard.
So to say that they just fucking get off their lazy asses and stop collecting welfare...
I think you're probably missing what's going on there.
Ideology aside, right-wing rhetoric aside, you're dealing with someone who got a terrible roll of the dice.
And that could have been you, man.
You could have been in that.
And just because you could pull out a story or two or three about people who are in that situation.
And then Rob went on to get his PhD.
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And to this day, he says that living in the ghetto does not hold you back.
Student of mine, very first semester I started teaching, there was this guy who was from South Central LA, and we started chatting afterwards, and man, the stories he would tell me about what It was a normal part of his day-to-day life.
He'd be like, yeah, yesterday I didn't get home until midnight from class because somebody killed right down my door and so they had locked up the whole...
I was like, fuck, really?
And that shit would happen like three times a year.
There's a whole community of future people that you can affect.
There's a whole new generation of future people that if emphasis is put on helping, somehow or another we can figure out a way to at least eliminate a certain aspect of the lowest of our lowest class society.
You know, it seems like that could be done with education.
Yeah, because I mean, the whole emphasis on individual initiative is like, pull yourself up by your bootstrap and stuff.
There's something good about that.
Of course, there is an element about self-empowerment that regardless of circumstances, you know, you're not going to change circumstances just because you wish it.
So there is an element where the individual needs to find a way because if nothing else is doing it for you, you might as well put your best to do it.
But, having said that, most people then use that argument to dismiss all the social conditions.
It becomes, well, it's just up to you, so go son, we are all behind you kind of shit.
But in the meantime, you start from 50 steps behind everyone else because you grew up in a shitty place with drug abuse all over, with alcohol abuse all over, with neural models, with the whole thing.
And it's like, but, you know, you can do it.
Well, sweet of you to say, you haven't grown up in that shit.
It's such a cliche, but a chain is only as strong as its weakest link.
The most patriotic thing that we could do as a country is not go fuck with some other countries overseas with dubious intentions, but strengthen our weakest link, our weakest economic link, our weakest social link.
It's a weird thing that politicians don't talk about that, that they don't offer that up as a plan for the future.
Take Give companies contracts to clean up the ghetto.
The same kind of contracts you give to clean up fucking Iraq.
Give contracts to clean up the ghetto.
It would be amazing.
Let Halberton make money cleaning up the ghetto.
Why can't they do that?
I don't understand why they can't profit off of that.
It seems ridiculous.
And it seems like it's just...
At this point in 2013, we're still doing the same goddamn shit.
Still going over to countries, getting involved in dubious shit.
It's fucking weird because, I don't know, I notice when I look at myself and I analyze where I'm at, if I'm happy with me or not, I see so much fucking room for improvement.
There are lots of times I'm like...
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I'm glad you see it because I would mean to talk to you about your room for improvement.
Right when you think that you're a loser because you can't pay your credit card, you hear about this guy in Cleveland that has kidnapped three women for ten years, and you go, I'm not really a bad person.
Yeah, but that's why it's important to surround yourself with bad motherfuckers.
It's very important.
You know, to surround yourself with cool people, like, one of the things that I've gotten really good at as I've become an adult is I collect cool people.
I know how to collect cool friends.
I got a bunch of cool people that have managed to sneak into my life.
And that's very important because when you have questions about something, when you want to talk to somebody about something, like I can resource a database of cool, intelligent, level-headed, healthy ego people.
That's one of the most important things about choosing a place to live or choosing people to be around is surrounding yourself with inspirational people, people who also are healthy, people who are excited, people who have good attitudes, people who aren't lazy bitches.
That's probably the most comment I see when I look at your board, when I look at Duncan's board, like people's emails or people when they send you an email like, oh, I love the podcast, stuff like that.
So many people say the exact same thing you're saying, which is, Jesus Christ, I can't find around me the kind of conversations that you guys have on a podcast.
Man, I wish, and that's why I listen, because I can't find it around me.
And, you know, it's amazing.
It's inspiring to be reminded that not all humanity is like that.
There's a lot of people that think like us out there, but they weren't connected by a show.
It's like they were all floating around, and you sort of locked into certain ideologies, and sometimes you could listen to this kind of a show or that kind of a show, but it didn't get locked into...
Like, where you can all meet up.
It's almost like you need a spot where you meet up.
And then everybody goes, I'm not alone.
I'm not crazy.
I'm not alone.
Yeah, this world is fucked.
Thank you.
Because I get up every day and I look at my alarm clock and I go, what the fuck is the point?
And go into my whack-ass job.
Well, this is a crazy, fucked up world.
It doesn't make any sense at all.
And I'm just stuck in this system which eats up most of my time and therefore leaves with no time to really think about what I'm doing.
So I'm just caught.
A creature of momentum Floating down the river of life, trying to figure out a way to get to a lily pad and just catch a breath.
When we do it, when we bring you these people, you guys out there listening, we bring you these people like Daniele Bolelli, Joe Diaz, and Duncan Trestle.
That stuff, when it spreads like that, it's good for everybody.
And you can share it with other people in your town, too.
You can say, listen, there's this dude named Duncan Trussell, and you've got to hear this fucking podcast, and it's going to change the way you look at marriage.
You know, that's one of the things that was really fascinating about this Dan Carlin podcast is he was talking about Martin Luther and how they printed up—this is amazing stuff, folks—they made these little, like, pamphlets, and they handed out these pamphlets about religion, and people would hide them and share them with each other, and they were, like, secret.
And it spread like a wildfire.
This guy, Martin Luther, he was the first guy to translate the Bible in a phonetic language.
The first guy to make it so that the people who didn't understand Latin could actually read the word of the Bible.
Yeah, there were a gazillion of these stories where sometime before they became Pope, they were like general or some shit, slaughter a whole town, and then eventually they become Pope.
No, I think like throughout it was the only cover that you had if you didn't have heterosexuality where you get married and you just have kids and all of that shit if you just wasn't in you and You couldn't fake it.
And it's not like you had the option of saying, no, sorry, I'm out of this because I like dudes or something.
And even those guys, there are like so many subdivisions, that's why this thing gets so crazy.
Most of those guys were hardcore pacifists who sort of read the New Testament in a very literal, you know, turn the other cheek.
Love your enemies so they wouldn't fight under any conditions.
But then there were some guys who decided, well, I like some of your interpretation, which was the more pro-poor, semi-communist interpretation of the New Testament.
But this peaceful shit, yeah, I don't like that part.
So we'll just go for the hardcore pro-poor, pro-communist approach, but we'll just bash bastards' heads along the way.
And in that sense, that was the cool thing about Martin Luther is about pushing these, everybody can make it decide for themselves, which sound very sweet and democratic.
But the problem is that then when he started realizing that other people were interpreting the Bible in ways that were completely unlike his, he was just as peaceless as the Catholic with them.
He's like, no, I meant freedom from the Catholic interpretation.
I didn't mean really make up your own.
That's some weird shit that you're interpreting there.
Who told you that?
And Protestants started burning people at the stake just as much as Catholics were doing it.
Yeah, the guy, John Calvin, like the second major figure beside Martin Luther among the Protestants, he was so peace with this one guy because he denied the Trinity, you know, the Father, Son, Holy Ghost thing.
That he had them burned at the stake and when they were bringing the wood to set him on fire, he said, no, no, not that wood.
I mean, this is not even the stuff where it's like, hey man, you have a lot of cool gold, I want it, sorry, tough luck, I'll bash your skull in because I want to take it.
It's not nice, but you can see a logic to it at least.
But the thing is that what scares me to me is not even one group or the other.
It's like anybody who puts ideology above real individuals around them.
Anybody who goes...
In that sense, to me, any kind of ideology in that sense is a disease because rather than interpreting life by looking at what really is going on, you are trying to interpret it to this filter of your...
It has to fit my preconceived notion of the universe.
And if life doesn't, then there's something wrong with life.
I'm going to disregard that evidence because I got it all figured out.
And it's hilarious how people apply to every aspect of life, even when they are not that flat out crazy, but just a couple of degrees lower, that desire for owning the truth and for...
Martial arts is the same...
I mean, martial arts is the same crap, right?
Before MMA, before Bruce Lee, everybody was like, Judo is the shit, fuck karate.
You guys suck.
And it was the same mentality that organized religions have.
It's the same mentality that...
I got the truth, everybody else must be wrong, and I'm gonna defend it against all evidence, no matter what.
A lot of the traditional martial arts, and although I benefited a lot from that, I was definitely locked in.
It's just, I was lucky that it was very positive, and it was beneficial towards me, but it was all bowing, everyone was, sir, you know, you wore a special outfit when you walked into the place.
Certain words you would use.
There's a lot of mind control to it.
It wasn't just discipline.
It was also like they were instilling a program in your mind.
And if you accepted that program, it would make you a more efficient fighter.
And that's the beauty of MMA is when everybody was claiming this stuff.
They built a cult in so many ways.
Many traditional martial arts built a cult in terms of cult of personality and the wise master who knows everything and all these rules are designed to increase this sense of hierarchy sometimes.
And in things like UFC, it's like, well, prove it.
Which is almost blasphemous if you say it in a more traditional context where...
You're not saying it as a challenge.
You're not telling somebody to fuck off, but you're saying, hey man, that sounds like a cool theory.
The way MMA stands to traditional martial arts is like this approach is what stands to regular religions, which is not all the good stuff comes from the same place.
You need to look at multiple places.
You need to test it.
You need to see what works or doesn't.
And rather than being like, Christianity sucks or it's like...
Try.
Try some things, maybe 80% of it you think is crazy bullshit that makes no sense, but you find a couple of gems that can help you in life.
Then use them.
Why not?
Doesn't mean I'm mirroring the ideology, but I'm going to take whatever I can use to make life.
To me, the only thing that matters is elevating the quality of life.
If you're elevating the quality of life, I don't give a fuck where you got the source information from.
It should be learning from your own experiences, telling you.
And if you don't have any experiences, if you don't have any really unique experiences or really unique thoughts and experiences, why the fuck would you think that you should be able to lead?
Well, you're trying to lead because you're saying the words the right way, and you're saying the things that the polls say people want to hear, but as far as unique individual thoughts, like this shit like I Have a Dream that you could hear today, and you go, that motherfucker just nailed it.
He just nailed it.
Martin Luther King nailed it.
Kennedy's speech about secret societies, or any of his speeches.
He has a bunch of brilliant speeches.
Where the guy just, it made sense.
You're dealing with a unique individual.
You're dealing with a person with great intelligence.
You're dealing with a person that you should be paying attention to.
Because, you know, there's a certain cockiness that comes from you are a bad motherfucker and you know it because you're doing things that no one else is doing.
But at the same time, you know your limits real well.
You see all the times when stuff that you do and say doesn't work.
Which means neither pumping yourself up or faking modesty because you're...
It's like, this is how it is.
This is the stuff that I do well.
This is the stuff where my experience stops right there and I don't know anything beyond that or And even experience, people get into this trip of making perfect sense of it, right?
This is the event, and I'm going to derive 12 lessons from it.
Sometimes you can.
Sometimes it's just like, that's my experience, and it's fucking mind-blowing, and I don't know exactly what to make of it.
And that's honest.
It's like looking at what things that happen, rather than running with it beyond what experience warrants, that you just acknowledge what happened, you acknowledge what you derive from it, and keep an open mind, the fact that there's probably more to it.
And to me, it's like, at the end of the day, it doesn't matter what I'm teaching, I always end up talking about the same stuff.
Whether I'm talking about, I start from American Indian history or religion or martial arts, I end up talking about the same things because they are the stuff that life is made of.
How do you deal with the physical world, with your own body?
I mean, the big topics are always the same.
They don't change.
The specific examples that you gather from may differ.
So to me, I pick like...
A chapter each on some of the big things for me, the things that in my mind any human being need to find, need to decide where they stand on some of these issues.
And I look at what's out there.
Some answers make no sense to me and they seem to lead down really unhealthy paths.
So thank you, but no thanks.
Other answers make more sense or maybe they don't and I come up with my own.
But it's basic.
It really is boiled down to the Bruce Lee You know, research your own experience, reject what is useless, absorb what is useful, and add what's specific here on.
You know, his basic methodology for how to approach knowledge.
I mean, he applied it to martial arts, but really is a brilliant way of approach just any kind of knowledge, whether it's about life.
Because I think, especially in a really hardcore fundamentalist form, it's much less likely that people are going to accept that as time goes on and information gets distributed Right.
Martin Luther translated the Bible into a phonetic form, and then the people started interpreting it, and then going, well, how come no one's practicing any of this shit?
How come you guys are all...
Why the fuck do you have so much money?
What's going on?
Why are we peasants forever?
It doesn't say that here.
You guys made this shit up.
You made all this shit up about being a peasant and ordained a peasant forever, but then you'll be rewarded for your toils in heaven.
And so it's like, so you're going to be Christian, but you're going to be hardcore capitalist.
It's like, yeah, because I'm done with Jesus.
That part about money, I'll just skip over those passages, and I'll focus on some weird interpretation of one passage that may seem that he says something else, and I'm going to ignore the other 19 where he's clearly stating, fuck, accumulation of wealth.
Yeah, if they catch you, right, if they catch you, and either Lutherans or Catholics, if they would catch you, then they would decide it was, their way of being funny was to drown you, since it's, oh, you like two baptisms, we'll give you a third one.
The best you could do, I think, is probably a couple of thousand people.
Before it started getting wacky.
And you would have to have meetings and everybody would have to really talk about let's make sure we avoid all the pitfalls that have fell on all societies before us.
It's not easy.
That's some serious end-of-the-world type shit, though.
And I guess today there's a better way to go about it, because whereas in the past, if you do that, you run off into the mountains, create your one community where all the other bastards can...
Today, you can have an element where you have your local community.
And at the same time, you're connected to a wider world in a way that doesn't isolate you, doesn't make you weird and cultish, and cut you off from everything else.
Because that was always the downside of the small community.
What's funny is the one that's the Cialis one, the pills have gotten bigger on some of them, and it says now it lasts up to seven days, and then on the back it says only take one every 24 hours, so I've taken like three.
When you were telling earlier, Brian, about, hey, why are you taking those pills?
You don't know what's in it.
I was picturing your early story about the zombie ants, and I was imagining, like, that mushroom going into the pill that Brian takes, and this dick exploding.
This is, I'll give you the rundown scientifically if anybody gives a shit.
It actually apparently does have a similar effect to nitric oxide supplements, which also give you boners, which is also one of the reasons why Viagra is a performance enhancing supplement.
A lot of athletes, I think it's banned from the Olympics.
But it's S-I-L-D-E-N-A-F-I-L. And that's, let's call that Viagra.
This stuff that it produces called Icarin, I-C-A-R-I-I-N, the active compound in Epidemium inhibits, Epimedium rather, inhibits the activity of PDE5. And so what this PDE5 shit is, it works the same way.
With horny goat weed inhibiting it as it does with Viagra.
So it probably would work, but it probably wouldn't work as good because I think that Viagra shit is like nuclear.
I think they've got it down.
This is like, I think my dick's got a little harder.
But you take a Viagra and your dick just slam!
Just fucking gets like body slammed against your zipper.
It's like, where are we partying tonight?!
Your dick is just really rowdy and obnoxious and unrealistic.
I'm trying not to think about sex, but just have you in the room while I'm on 7,000 milligrams of venafinol, sildafinol, or whatever the fuck this stuff is called.
It's going to get taken away and you're going to get monitored by the government because there's a boner police out there and they don't like people getting their boners taken care of in illegal manners.
That's what's going on.
That's some of the lamest ways to spend tax dollars of all time.
Stopping dudes from getting jerked off at handy massage parlors.
I mean, that's where my weird fobish thing come in.
Because when I came to the US and I was trying to ask, you know, you're learning new language, you're picking up new words.
And so I heard the word slut.
I'm like, slut?
What the fuck does it mean?
It's like, well, a woman who's kind of indiscriminately having sex left and right, blah, blah, blah.
And I was like, well, if sex is a good thing, Dennis Lutz, somebody who freely gives sex away indiscriminately left and right, is kind of like a humanitarian, like a philanthropist, some sort of sexual Mother Teresa.
Well, no, you're right, because at first they had this other settlement in Jamestown in Virginia, and then like 13 years later, not that long later, they had one, Plymouth Rock, the famous one, which is the Puritans and all of that.
And these were guys that England was more than happy to get rid of, because it's like...
They are weird, they are crazy, they are annoying, they are too much, so please go, yeah, go settle the new world.
That's a great idea.
These guys were happy to leave because they felt that they could start their own society where Puritan values would rule, rather than having to deal with more mellow visions of Christianity.
How much different would America have turned out if people landed on the west coast instead of the east coast?
How much different would America have turned out if England was on the other side of the world and then they came over and landed in LA and were like, oh shit.
And it's funny, because when they first came, they usually didn't really know how to make a living here, so they would fuck things up, and within a year or two, they would start eating each other in these cool cannibalistic stories.
And it's like, that's some weird sick shit that was going on.
That to me is what's mind-blowing, is the stuff that has been considered normal throughout much of human history.
It blows your mind to think like probably 75% of people were totally cool with these ideas that today they would land you straight in like a psychiatric hospital.
Some people also put money as an investment in this.
A lot of these weren't just random individuals coming in.
They were sponsored by corporations as an idea, and it was an investment.
So these guys had...
Economically interested in keeping the thing going.
And there are plenty of people who had a shitty life in England.
So even going to the crazy wild place across the world was better than what they knew back in England.
And so they were willing to take chances.
I mean, one of the things that people don't know a lot of the time or don't emphasize enough is the idea that a huge chunk of people who came here were basically slaves, white people, you know, British.
They were indentured servants, which technically meant you only serve for seven years, but most of them were worked so hard by their owners that they killed them before the seven years were up.
So really, if you are an indentured servant, you're pretty much fucked because you're going to be in conditions that are semi-slavery.
They are not going to survive to see the day when you are freed.
So it doesn't really matter whether in theory it only lasts so long because you're never going to live that time.
So a lot of these guys would run off the second they arrive here.
They would try to show their best face when they show up at an Indian encampment saying, hey man, I'm a nice guy.
Those guys are freak.
Can you please take me in?
And a bunch of tribes would take them in.
And so you would have these communities where sometimes you would have a lot of British people who escaped the settlement to go live with Indians because otherwise they would get work to that back in the settlements.
And it's a trippy story.
You know, the colonies would pass these laws preventing anybody from leaving the settlements and going to live with Indians because otherwise your labor force just left and now you have to work on your own.
I forget the guy's name right now, but there was back at the very beginning of the Puritan days, there was this one community of Sort of crazy, unconventional guys that left the main Puritan towns and started their own thing with a bunch of local Indians.
They basically had an interracial community where they would party a lot, they would drink, have their dances.
Something like sort of hippie heaven, except that because it was a little too hippie heaven, these guys didn't make plans for the Puritan wanting to kick their ass because their community was actually growing at a faster rate than the Puritans.
More people wanted to live there.
But the Puritan had military muscle, and so they went to kick their ass and squash them.
And instead the choice was happy, stupid hippies who don't make plans or crazy religious fundamentalists who are well armed and know how to use their guns.
Not exactly the greatest alternatives, but...
I mean, one is nicer than the other, but it doesn't make any...
You know, they can't live in reality because they don't make plans.
They don't set things up for when shit goes wrong.
And so the other guys who are way worse win because they are more disciplined.
And in that sense, yeah, living in Europe is a trip because you go down the street to meet your friend and you are next to a building that's like, Yes!
It's really nuts to think that those people just lived in that one spot forever.
You know, that's one of the really cool things, this Dan Carlin thing on the history of the Mongols, is realizing how much these guys affected Asia and how much they would have affected Europe and they affected Russia.
And then, one of the craziest things that Dan Carlin was talking about was when they took over Baghdad and killed everybody, that it literally hasn't ever recovered.
My favorite on that one is when they do enter Baghdad and the whole story.
There was this thing of this one guy who was a local governor who had killed the Mongol traders early on.
So the Mongols were at peace.
They sent an ambassador.
This guy chopped off the head of the ambassadors, too, saying they are spies.
He banked on the fact that there was a big desert separating him from the Mongols so they wouldn't be able to invade.
He didn't make his calculations right, because the Mongols go through the desert, they show up at his door, and after wiping out everyone else, they grabbed this guy and said, you are a greedy motherfuckers.
Because of that, you want gold, we'll give you all the gold you want.
They melt a bunch of gold and pour molten gold down his throat to kill him.
Right here in California, where we stand, back in the 1850s, More than half of the American Indian population, I think like 80%, was wiped out, not because of diseases, not because of stuff, but what they had in a lot of California towns were the Indian Hunts,
which was on the local newspaper they would publish the scene that if you You know, you're broke, you have no money, go kill some Indians, scalp them, and if you come back into town, the local government will pay you a certain amount for the scalp of an adult male, a little bit less for the scalp of an adult female, and a little bit less for the scalp of a child.
Because it's good for the health of the community to wipe out Indians.
You know, actually, they do stuff like that in a bunch of places around the world, because it got tiresome to just carry around people's heads to prove that you killed them, so...
It's like, do I really have to carry this big fucking thing?
Can you imagine, like, chopping off the head of somebody like T-Tortis, big giant head?
It's like, really?
I have to carry it around to prove that I killed it?
On the East Coast, they had this badass scene that they would do where a lot of Indian tribes there, they would shave every other part of their head, but they would leave this really long strand of hair in the middle.
That was like the scalp knot.
You leave it out there as a challenge to other warriors of saying, hey, here is my scalp.
You want to take it?
Come take it.
It makes it even easier for you to grasp it and pull it out.
First of all, if you're in a place where they're not killing the vultures, everybody's like, well, we need these vultures.
Well, you know what the problem is now?
They have laws in this part of Europe where you have to kill livestock when they die.
You have to burn them.
So because of that, the vultures don't get to naturally prey off the livestock.
So vultures are actually going down and attacking live things because they're starving to death because the government cleans up the dead animals and burns them.
It doesn't allow the vultures to eat them.
So now you have vultures that are carrying away dogs.
And I'll just be sitting outside, you know, whatever, on the porch, and out of nowhere I'll just see this skunk or a raccoon running towards me because it doesn't realize that I'm sitting there.
And I'll be like, hey, get away from here!
And it just stops.
I'm like, okay.
Hopefully it just turns around, walks away, nothing happens.
That story that we talked about a couple of weeks ago about the couple that used to be in the CIA and they had retired and were making plants in their basement.
They were growing tomatoes and stuff like that.
And the fucking DEA kicks down their door, guns blazing, rifles in their face, and finds their tomatoes in the basement.
What turns out, these people, the reason why the CIA did this, or the DEA did this, is they followed their car.
Their car had been parked at a hydroponic store.
And they took a photo of the car, the license plate.
They ran the plates.
And that's how they find where the houses are, where people are growing.
That's this genius fucking group of ass fucks called the DEA that think that everyone growing anything indoors.
My sister's ex-husband used to grow tomatoes and shit because they lived in Boston.
They had a full setup in the basement.
They didn't even smoke weed.
They had a full setup.
But that guy would be under suspicion.
Of course.
They're allowed to pass by your fucking house.
This is how stupid this situation is.
All they're doing is growing plants, by the way, I might add.
They're not making meth, okay?
Right.
They're allowed to go by the places where they teach you how to grow plants, take pictures of your fucking license plate, and then run them on the suspicion of you doing drugs.
Find out where the fuck you live, stake out your house.
Yep, for sure they're growing plants.
We're going in, boys!
Go in guns blazing with dogs and shoot your dog if you've got one.
They shoot your fucking dog almost every time they go into these people's houses.
That's why, to me, it pisses me off when I hear people who are all like, I love freedom, but I'm pro-drug war, I'm against legal prostitution, I'm against...
It's like, you're not pro-freedom, motherfucker.
You're only pro the freedom of the stuff you like.
I mean, even when people are against it philosophically because they are control freaks who want some morality in force according to their standards of morality and everyone else, even those guys still look at the evidence.
Is prohibition working in terms of keeping the rates of addiction or use low?
It's not.
So what the fuck are you doing?
It's like taking a bunch of money, putting it in the toilet and flushing because if you're not affecting demand or supply, Why the fuck are you doing it?
But because it's the kind of shit that your grandparents have for lunch, it's not glamorous.
It's not like...
Cool, I got booze.
I'm going to start downing it like crazy.
When I saw here people who would start drinking as teenagers as a prohibited exciting thing, they would down alcohol like crazy, throw up all over themselves.
I'm like, ew, that's fucking disgusting.
Why would you do that to yourself?
You learn how to drink a little bit at a time.
And to me, it's like you learn how to drink as a kid.
Marvin Hagler, when he retired from being the fucking man, was one of the best boxers ever, went to Italy and just said, fuck it, I'm just chilling here forever.
If you look at the Mugabe fight, he's a great example of that.
You couldn't hurt him.
He had a chin like nobody.
They did this weird thing with him where they...
They scanned his head, and they found out that his mandible muscles, the muscles on the sides of his head, were, like, much larger than a normal person's.
They were like, literally, the man has, like, built-in headgear.
And you're like, I guess you get that from biting down, maybe, or something, or biting down on mouthpieces.
It could be genetics.
Whatever it was, the dude was just, like, really hard to hurt.
That was one of the big things about him.
Tommy Hearns couldn't hurt him.
Mugabe couldn't hurt him.
They would nail him, but he would just keep coming forward.
Nobody ever stopped Marvin Hagler.
Nobody ever stopped Marvin Hagler.
Not even close.
Nobody even fucking came close to stopping that guy.
Yeah, there's been a few guys like that throughout history that just for whatever reason just had that extra motivation above and beyond everyone else.
And he was smart to call it quits when he did because, I mean, you do see those guys a la Nogueira who have these ungodly chins who can take so much abuse.
But after a while, you know, you hit a spot where he's like, okay, you clock the X amount of punches you could take in your life is done.
And now every other punch you take is going to drop you.
Because, I mean, don't you find sometimes when you are done with a sparring session in striking that sometimes you're not entirely sure how well you did?
Because it's like you didn't really go full out, were you?
Like, that shot that I hit him with, did it have the juice really behind it or he would have just shrugged it off and that's it?
You know, it's like, does it ever happen to you or you feel like you know what's up by the end?
You have to, like, ego-wise, you have to realize that, like, when you're sparring, you're both pulling back.
So shots that you got hit with, you maybe would have got hurt in a real situation, and shots that you got hit with, your response, maybe you wouldn't have been able to even deliver it.
Number one most important thing, two important things, but number one is great trainers.
You have to have a trainer that trains you in a technical way and makes the class move in a technical way as well.
And number two, train partners that you can trust so you're not going to blast each other.
And then you've got to make sure that you go full out on the mitts and the bag so that in a real scenario you can deliver those shots with full impact.
I know the dude's a bad motherfucker, though, as far as when it comes to boxing.
He's made some crazy claims about MMA, which I always find hilarious, but I don't fault him for that because he's in the business of promoting.
Part of his shtick is, look, he knows there's a lot of people that are paying attention to MMA. If he starts talking mad shit about MMA fighters, people who don't even watch boxing will pay attention to his fight and even buy it to see him lose.
If they could, even if he didn't have to tape it together, Chael would have had to come close enough to clinch him, and he beat Chael up so bad in that first round, Chael was in a lot of trouble doing anything in that second round.
I mean, the fight was almost over.
The round was almost over.
I think there was like 30 seconds to go, maybe less.
But the beating that he put on Chea was ferocious, man.
No, I guess, I mean, to me it's like, there's always things like Kung Fu movies or something, the figure of the old dude who looks like old drunk and stuff and he can pull off these amazing things.
It's like, how the fuck did it happen?
I dig the idea of figuring out ways, whether it's applied to martial arts or applied to life, to...
Nobody can figure out how you did it, but you pull it off.
And to not think along the same lines like everybody else is going through the plan, there's an obvious A to B, B to C to get the results, but to have an alternate way to get shit done, I like it.
We had a Going Away podcast where he brought this huge box, and inside the box was just shit that he was going to throw away.
And he's like, you know, if you come to the show, I'm going to get...
Giveaway presents the whole night.
So he had like all this random shit that he like bought when he was really stoned and never used or never even opened the boxes like, you know, random things like raid, air bombs, you know, for cockroaches and like just weird shit.
And then at one point he's like, all right, who here, you know, the next five people who here does drugs, you know, raise your hand.
And he's just throwing out prescription medicine to people.
What?
He grabs this one thing and he goes, oh, I better not do that.
I think it was acid or something.
He just puts it in his pocket.
But it was just ridiculous.
And then he opens it.
This thing of joints.
And he gives a joint to every single person in the audience.
I read somebody a while ago saying, yeah, it's fucked up because it messes you up horrendously, but so we should leave it legal for people who have a few months left to leave?
Because it's like, what are you going to fuck up anyway?
I mean, when you think about the whole thing, it's like how, yeah, speaking of freedoms, it's like people, I'm pro-freedom, except that you can't kill yourself the way you want to.
You know, if you're dying a slow, painful disease, you need to die slowly and painfully, because otherwise, because otherwise what?
I mean, euthanasia is not legal, so you can't really do it, but we'll just give you morphine for comfort.
Wait, you said you need more morphine?
Okay, we'll give you a little more.
You said you're still in pain?
Of course, you just keep shooting up until you die, but rather than doing it in a humane, cool way where you shoot up and you're done in 15 minutes like you do with a dog, you'll do it over a period of days or a week or something, just How dare you compare grandma to a dog?
Yeah, that's, of course, but then that's what you work on, on like anything that you don't do, you know, you don't outlaw something just because it can be used against their will.
You work on the fact on those cases when it's used against somebody's will.
Which is the argument for not worrying about how many guns are out there, but worrying about the mental health of a nation that allows a certain percentage of people to go on gun Fueled rampages.
Or, well, I don't know about you, but in somebody's hand, having a fucking atomic weapon wouldn't be a problem because you're not nuts and you're not going to use it.
The problem comes in because it's who's going to decide who's the same individual and which one isn't.
The state, that always works really well.
But then if you don't do it, that means every psycho in the world can get easily their hands on some messed up stuff.
If you do do it, it's clearly an imperfect system because it's done through the state where there are always enormous loopholes, things that doesn't work, is inefficient.
So it's tricky.
I can see why people argue passionately both ways because you can see there's kind of a logic both ways in that.
I mean, the idea that people are smart enough to figure out what to do and not to do has been proven false time and time again.
People are stupid.
There's a shitload of us that are stupid as fuck.
But then the argument is, the reason why they're stupid as fuck is that we allow them to survive Or being stupid and don't allow these dumb mistakes to happen.
They die off.
We're just so attached to every single precious life that we're not allowing stupid people to die from being stupid.
So stupidity is no longer a negative factor in evolution.
No, I think they decide it's easier to just not deal with it, because if they come after you, then it can open a whole shitstorm of why are you firing him and all of that.
A guy like Dan Carlin, who is fucking amazing, in case we haven't made that clear already, he is not a historian and that's why he's fucking amazing.
Because most historians, by the time they got through their PhD, all the creativity, all the juice has been squeezed out of them and there's nothing left because they have been made to conform to this really boring, prudent, careful way of telling stories where they can't say a sentence without 17 exceptions to what they say.
And the evidence here on paragraph 17, it's like nobody wants to listen to it.
It's fucking boring.
Dan Carling goes on, put on a historical podcast and becomes something that people around the world want to listen to because he's a storyteller, because he makes it exciting.
And that's the thing that in some way it sucks because you can tell to somebody, look, this sucks because it's so boring and it doesn't have the juice.
But the reality is that they...
I think they can only improve it 10% because it's not just a technique, it's who you are.
These are people who are boring when they step, when they are not teaching and you are talking to them down the street.
Every other time now, because through online you can find out a lot of things about people, a bunch of students ask me, is that you in this picture where you're holding a kid and you have your middle finger out?
Long Beach, I'm actually not teaching a whole lot because I'm there mainly, I think I teach just one class and the rest I do online, which sucks anyway because it's, well, in any case.
The main thing, so I teach mostly at Santa Monica College live, in person, and it depends on the class.
You know, some classes are, they enroll them to the limit.
Other classes, they enroll it and then they leave a bunch of empty chairs, so not a big deal.
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Brian and I, along with the lovely and talented Ari Shafir, will see you dirty bitches in Canada this weekend.
We will tomorrow night be at...
What's the name of the theater we're doing?
He doesn't know.
This motherfucker doesn't know.
I think it's called The Vogue.
Yes.
The Vogue Theatre in Vancouver tomorrow night for two shows.
So we can't wait.
And we're doing something different this time because you fucking people take too long with your goddamn phones that you don't know how to work.
The camera on, so I'm gonna take all the photos, I'm gonna have someone take them with my camera, so we'll get a perfect picture every time, and then we'll upload it to the website, and you can take it from there.
So it'll also drive traffic to my website.
And don't go, dude, that's fucked up, because I don't wanna hear it!
You bitches need to learn how to use your 1967 fuckin' wack-ass cell phone that I have to wait for.
Damn it!
I shut it off by accident!
Hold on!
And there's a line of a thousand people taking pictures.
That shit's ridiculous to the people that work at the theaters.
So they've requested I streamline the process.
So that is the only solution.
Right, you fucks?
So we love the shit out of you.
And we will see you on Monday.
And that's a wrap.
Peace, love, happiness, and good luck in your search for Bigfoot.