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April 23, 2013 - The Joe Rogan Experience
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Joe Rogan Experience #351 - Georges St. Pierre
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joe rogan
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Oh, you crazy fucks.
We're here.
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George St. Pierre is here.
This episode of the podcast.
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brian redban
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joe rogan
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georges st-pierre
Absolutely.
joe rogan
Fuck yeah, that's George St. Pierre, bitches, right?
Respect.
When he says it's important, it's important.
I did not get eight hours sleep.
I don't believe you.
unidentified
I think I went to bed at seven.
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Alright, you fucks.
George St. Pierre is here, the goddamn welterweight champion of the world, bitches.
We're gonna get down to it.
Play the music, Brian.
unidentified
The Joe Rogan Experience.
joe rogan
Oh, you cut out the Nick Diaz part.
I see what you did.
Very smart.
There was a thing that Nick Diaz had a quote.
It's like, you know, train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day.
Do you not hate him now?
Folks who are just listening to this, George St. Pierre is our guest and he's the UFC welterweight champion of the world.
Just recently defended his title against Nick Diaz.
Are you cool with Nick now?
It seemed like you guys were complimentary after the fight.
georges st-pierre
I'm cool with him.
I don't know if he's cool with me.
I'm like, I'm alright.
I'm cool with everybody.
joe rogan
That dude turns everything into a personal affair, right?
georges st-pierre
Yes, he does.
joe rogan
Does that ever get to you when guys shit talk you?
Because you're like, if people didn't know you, alright?
If the average person did not know what you do, besides the look, you know, that you're physically strong, they would never think that you're a fighter.
You're a very friendly guy.
You're very, like, easy to...
I've seen you interact with a lot of different people over many years.
You're very easygoing.
Very nice to get along with.
georges st-pierre
Yeah, I don't want to be...
I don't want to look like a fighter when you talk to me, let's say, on the phone.
I want to...
I want to look like a normal human being.
That's a little bit the impression that people have sometimes.
joe rogan
Well, you're not just a nice guy.
You're honest about your own vulnerabilities, which I've always found fascinating.
You talk about what makes you scared.
You talk about what you're worried about.
Even this Nick Diaz fight, you're like, I'm scared because I don't want to lose to this guy.
There's a lot of people who never admit that.
georges st-pierre
Yeah, but I think it makes you stronger to admit that you're scared because you're not scared to say that you're scared.
joe rogan
Right.
georges st-pierre
Someone who doesn't admit it because he's scared to admit that he's scared.
He's scared of himself.
He's scared of what people are going to think about him.
I'm not scared of what people are going to think.
They have to see me as I am.
So I'm not scared to admit that I'm scared.
joe rogan
And it's almost like when you don't admit you're scared, it's like you're protecting yourself from evolving.
Because the only way you can ever be realistic about a situation and get better at anything in life is you've got to accurately address what's happening.
georges st-pierre
True, 100%.
joe rogan
There's some people that don't do that, and I think that cuts them off from a certain amount of progress in life.
I think there's walls that you put up yourself because you're not willing to look at your own failures.
georges st-pierre
100%.
You're not honest with yourself.
That's what it is a little bit.
joe rogan
Yeah, so admitting you're afraid is like, so what, bitch?
georges st-pierre
I know you're afraid too.
You know what?
As much as I'm afraid, I'm going to make that walk the day of it and I'm going to do it regardless.
And it sounds more crazy.
I would be more afraid of a guy that says, I'm afraid, but you know what?
I'm going to still do it and I don't care.
If I'm afraid, bring it, I'll do it.
This sounds crazy to me.
More than a guy said, oh, no, no, no, I'm not afraid because this guy is afraid to say that he's afraid.
Like, man, you know what I mean?
To me, personally, that's what it is.
joe rogan
Yeah, the posturing and posing, it's unnecessary.
georges st-pierre
Exactly.
joe rogan
But you are afraid of aliens though, right?
georges st-pierre
Yeah, I'm afraid of a lot of things.
joe rogan
Is it true that you have a path mapped out in your house?
How to get out if the aliens show up?
georges st-pierre
No!
unidentified
No?
joe rogan
That's the rumor, man.
That's what I heard.
I heard you have a plan.
Because I know you like to use game plans.
So I figured you had an alien...
georges st-pierre
I know karate and I know jiu-jitsu.
So if the aliens show up, I put a triangle choke on him.
And I also have a katana, a Japanese katana, so if they come, I can slice them apart.
joe rogan
Wow, do you keep a sword in your house?
georges st-pierre
Yes, I have.
It's a collection, you know, it's for me.
joe rogan
You better not bring any crazy bitches home.
georges st-pierre
Oh, man, it's...
joe rogan
A sword and crazy bitches.
brian redban
I have this hacksaw on the side of my bed that I always forget is there, and I always, like, almost cut my finger off all the time.
joe rogan
Yeah, you should put that in the garage, son.
Fuck this robin' juice.
brian redban
It's like this big sword slash meat cleaver that it's just awesome.
joe rogan
So do you really have a fear of aliens or is this just a bullshit rumor?
Didn't you do a countdown show and you did a whole thing talking about how you're being scared of being abducted by aliens?
georges st-pierre
Yeah, I'm scared.
I'm scared of a lot of things.
But that's a specific one.
unidentified
I'll get into it.
georges st-pierre
I can't talk about it right now.
joe rogan
You can't talk about it right now?
georges st-pierre
One day I'm going to come out and make a big thing about it, but no.
joe rogan
Are they in the room right now?
Have you had an experience with aliens?
georges st-pierre
No, no, no, no, no.
joe rogan
I don't believe you.
I don't believe you.
georges st-pierre
I don't know.
I don't know.
joe rogan
You don't know.
You might have had an experience with him.
georges st-pierre
My manager is going to have a heart attack right now.
joe rogan
Listen, my brother, I would never do or lead you down any path that's bad for your career.
Just as you said that it's good to be afraid, it's also good to be honest about everything, even shit that sounds crazy.
georges st-pierre
No, no, no.
That's the thing.
I'm honest.
Look, I'm honest.
I'm afraid.
But I don't have to tell everything on the public.
joe rogan
It's true.
georges st-pierre
You don't.
joe rogan
Did you have sex with an alien?
georges st-pierre
Because you're a smart guy.
Let me tell you, you're a very smart guy.
You know how to dig into people's minds.
And as much as I like you, I hate that about you.
Because he put me on the spot right now, but he's a very smart guy.
But no, no, I can't go too deep into this.
joe rogan
Listen, if I was on an alien spacecraft and I had sex with an alien, like I'm assuming you did, I feel like I would just come out and talk about it.
I don't know why you would hold that back.
georges st-pierre
No, but I mean...
joe rogan
Something happened, George.
georges st-pierre
I don't know.
It's either I'm crazy or maybe it really happened.
But I hope that I'm crazy.
joe rogan
I don't think you're crazy.
georges st-pierre
I hope I am.
I could be crazy.
You know, some people, some great minds, they've been hallucinating stuff.
Some people are, how do you say, maniacodepressive.
Some people are...
OCD, some people are this, some people are that.
And they've been able to achieve great stuff in their life.
So maybe I'm crazy.
Who knows?
I don't know.
I hope I'm crazy.
joe rogan
Well, are these experiences...
I can help you in one way.
Are these experiences happening at night?
georges st-pierre
I am not sure.
I am not sure.
joe rogan
Have any of these experiences happened while you've been in a dream state or where you've just been dreaming or just asleep and you were woken up?
georges st-pierre
I am not sure that I had...
I don't know.
I don't remember anything.
joe rogan
But it was nighttime type things.
Was it nighttime when you think you might have had something happen to you?
georges st-pierre
I can't say something happened to me.
I have no proof.
I just don't know.
joe rogan
What I'm going to tell you about is your brain produces a chemical while you're sleeping.
georges st-pierre
But I'm going to tell you something, and I'm going to be honest about it.
Sometime, I'm looking at the clock.
And it's like I wake up and I look at the clock right after and it's like the clock advanced like a four hour or two hours.
There's a time zone that I don't remember what happened.
joe rogan
It's called falling asleep.
georges st-pierre
I hope so.
joe rogan
What do you think?
You think you're getting snatched up and taken away for a couple hours?
georges st-pierre
No, I think maybe I fall asleep.
That's what I hope.
That's what I hope.
Or I can drive.
I can drive my car.
I can drive my car.
And it already happened.
I drove my car somewhere.
joe rogan
What, you're sleeping?
georges st-pierre
I don't know.
I drove my car on a normal day.
Like going somewhere.
Then I look and it's two hours past.
I'm like, two hours I just passed.
Like this.
Maybe I watched my clock and I made a mistake myself.
joe rogan
Right.
Most likely, right?
georges st-pierre
Yes, of course.
I hope so.
joe rogan
Well, that's very minor stuff.
That's very minor stuff.
Yeah.
But that could be you being tired because you push yourself and a lot of stress.
georges st-pierre
It's exactly what I hope so.
It's exactly what I hope so.
joe rogan
But you don't have any memories of great dudes putting fingers up your butt?
georges st-pierre
No, I don't.
joe rogan
None of that.
brian redban
I've had a joke where you're driving down the street, like on the highway, and you're just kind of dazed out.
unidentified
And you're like, wait, how long have I been...
I've been dazed out for like 20 minutes.
brian redban
What have I been doing for 20 minutes?
joe rogan
You can totally go on autopilot, yeah.
And then you just realize almost all of a sudden you're home.
But the thing about being exhausted and sleep and having these experiences at night, there's a chemical your brain makes that's one of the most powerful psychedelic drugs known to man.
So one of the things they're trying to connect, it's called DMT, and one of the things they're trying to connect is people having near-death experiences and people that have had UFO, alien abduction type experiences, and this chemical.
and that they can introduce this chemical into the human body.
And these people have very similar experiences to what they had when they had a UFO encounter or when they had a white light near-death experience encounter.
It's most likely there's this chemical that's doing this.
So when people are having these experiences, they're very realistic, and they do believe they're being taken aboard by a UFO somewhere, they might not be wrong.
georges st-pierre
But this is not a UFO encounter.
A UFO is an unidentified flying object.
The encounter you talk about, if they've been taking a board, this is different.
It could be a third type encounter.
There's many ways, but this is different.
You talk about me, I don't have any memory of such thing.
Like you say, sometimes I fall asleep, then I wake up, the time passes.
joe rogan
But that's just because you're tired, man.
georges st-pierre
That's not aliens.
joe rogan
But are you worried?
You're like, man, maybe it's aliens.
georges st-pierre
Is that what you do?
No, it's because I'm...
I feel like I didn't fall asleep, and I'm not tired.
I'm wide awake awake.
But I fall asleep like this, and it's kind of weird.
joe rogan
Are these on hard sparring days?
georges st-pierre
No.
joe rogan
No?
Just a normal day?
georges st-pierre
It could happen every day.
brian redban
You should get a GoPro, like a camera, and just record yourself all the time.
unidentified
And then when you ever think that happens, watch it.
I mean, those things record for like eight hours at a time somehow.
georges st-pierre
Yeah.
joe rogan
How long has this been going on?
georges st-pierre
Since I'm a kid.
joe rogan
Wow.
Wow.
Wouldn't it be crazy if the aliens manufactured you to be a mixed martial arts fighter?
georges st-pierre
I'm sure if it would have happened, I would have been much better than this.
joe rogan
Much better than this?
You're the fucking champion.
georges st-pierre
What are you talking about?
Yeah, but if I would be alien manufacturer, I would be Superman, you know?
joe rogan
Well, they just won't want to get ridiculous with it.
unidentified
It has to be realistic.
joe rogan
Yeah, that would be obvious.
You can't turn a guy into a goddamn superhero.
georges st-pierre
Maybe they manufacture Anderson Silva, John Jones.
Maybe they did Rosaldo.
joe rogan
Maybe someone needs to talk to them about their sleep patterns.
Maybe they're falling asleep behind the wheel too and being sucked aboard a spaceship for repairs.
georges st-pierre
Maybe they don't want to talk about it.
Maybe they don't say, but maybe they are.
I don't know.
I'm just pretending.
joe rogan
I think it's funny though that that's maybe one subject that you had a really hard time talking about that.
georges st-pierre
I do.
Because it sounds crazy.
Yes.
And I will talk about it one day.
I'm going to talk about my fear, all that stuff.
But now I don't get deep into this.
But I promise one day I'll talk about stuff.
joe rogan
You promise one day?
georges st-pierre
Yeah, I promise one day.
joe rogan
What's that?
There is no tomorrow.
Didn't you see Rocky 3?
When Apollo Creed says that to Rocky Balboa?
unidentified
It's true.
georges st-pierre
Like you said, maybe I'll die one day.
Maybe I'll die tomorrow.
I hope I touch wood nut.
How did you say that?
joe rogan
Was that French?
I touch wood nut?
georges st-pierre
I touch the wood.
You don't want it to happen.
joe rogan
Yeah, just let it go.
Whatever information you got, spill it.
georges st-pierre
No, but I don't know.
I'm doing my own research.
I'm researching on myself.
Like you say, that's the thing that you just told me.
It's very interesting.
The chemical that Buddy produces.
I'm happy that I meet you today and you tell that about me because it makes me happy now.
joe rogan
Yeah, I think a lot of people think they're going crazy.
Your brain makes psychedelic drugs.
Your brain produces parts of your liver and your lungs.
They don't know why this stuff is in the body, but it's super potent psychedelic.
Your brain makes it.
It happens when you're sleeping.
The speculation is that it happens during REM sleep.
I don't think they have the most accurate way of measuring it.
But they know it's in the body and they believe, the theory is that it comes out during periods of heavy stress or when your body thinks it's going to die or in REM sleep.
Those are the times that you have higher levels of this stuff in your neurochemical soup.
georges st-pierre
That's interesting.
joe rogan
It's crazy.
Why would your brain produce an incredibly potent psychedelic drug?
So a lot of people that are having these nighttime experiences could be just varying levels of this chemical that's going around in your brain.
But that doesn't mean that these experiences aren't real.
We don't know what the fuck sleeping is anyway.
I mean, what is sleeping?
You shut your eyes, you shut off, you don't exist in this plane, and your consciousness goes somewhere else.
Like, literally, you have no memory of a giant chunk of your day, and we have no problem with it, and yet we don't connect it to any other realm or the idea of there being other dimensions.
You go into another dimension when you go to sleep.
Okay?
You do.
You just shut off.
You stop.
And for all intents and purposes, you are in another dimension.
And if while you're in that other dimension, your brain is being pumped with this psychedelic chemical, That when you take it, when you're sober, makes you have these incredible experiences.
It just seems like a normal thing to look into.
People should be looking into that.
What is happening when you're sleeping?
You go away!
And everybody's just so used to it.
They're like, no big deal.
We just go away.
Just go away for eight hours a day.
Everybody's scared to die.
And no one's scared to fall asleep.
You're shutting off, man.
You know you're gonna be back, so you're not worried.
But you're shutting off.
Whatever that is, you know, is just accepted.
If sleeping didn't exist, it would be the craziest fucking thing.
If all of a sudden you told people that they had to shut off for eight hours a night and just completely not be aware, they'd be like, what are you talking about?
I gotta shut off?
They'd be like, yeah, you're gonna shut off for eight hours a night and you're not gonna know what's happening.
People can touch your balls while you're sleeping.
You'll have no way of stopping them.
There's a lot of things that can happen.
georges st-pierre
The truth is, like you said, we don't know.
joe rogan
We don't know what the fuck that is.
georges st-pierre
I could, like you said, it's not that I'm afraid to be crazy.
It's just I can say whatever the hell I want, and we don't know.
Maybe, you know what I mean?
We don't know.
We don't know the truth.
We have no idea.
joe rogan
Yeah, somebody might be stealing time from you.
They might be stealing time.
They're like, this motherfucker's got too much time.
georges st-pierre
The truth is...
I feel like I had experience, but I don't know what it is.
So for me to say it's alien or say it's the drug chemical you talk about, I don't know.
I can't tell you right now.
I don't know what it is.
But I felt like it could have been an experience or not.
Maybe I felt maybe I'm crazy and it's the normal thing that everybody would like.
But right now, I don't know.
I'm making my own research to find out about that.
joe rogan
How are you researching?
georges st-pierre
I research a lot of stuff, documentaries and things, and go on the internet.
Now it's another thing that you just said to me, I'm going to research that.
Maybe I research on the wrong...
Maybe I research things that people have tried.
Because that lapse of time that you don't remember, some people have been hypnotized and they had bad...
Bad adventure.
And I don't want to be an update.
joe rogan
Well, that's very controversial.
What's happening during hypnosis, hypnotic regression, it's very controversial.
Because there's a lot of people that believe that you can introduce fake memories into a person while they're unconscious.
And then you could steer the events in one way or another and introduce false memories.
It's not very reliable, I don't think.
So that's one of the big things about these people that have these crazy stories from hypnotic regression.
Like, what the fuck is really going on?
You know, you don't know.
A lot of times people that are in therapy in the first place are a little wound up.
georges st-pierre
Of course, of course.
joe rogan
So it's that.
Those are the type of people that you're dealing with.
You're hypnotizing them.
And then you're finding out about these nutty experiences with aliens.
Who knows what the fuck you're really...
georges st-pierre
But I'm going to tell you, it's like Socrates used to say...
You take a fish in the water, okay?
And the fish, he lives in his environment.
Let's say a fisherman, he grabs a fish in the water.
He pulls it off the water.
Look at him.
Make the fish look around and drop the fish back in the water.
The fish after, he's going to go back to his friend and he's going to tell the other fish, man, Abel pulled out of the water and people were breathing air.
It was another environment.
I saw a human being, a man grabbing me.
I saw trees.
I saw a bird in the sky.
I saw...
Like a sun, I'm like, I see a different thing in a different universe.
And then he put me back.
The other fish will think he's completely insane, you know?
And it's normal!
So maybe, in a way, we're all like fish.
And maybe there is something, like you said, like when you see another universe or another world or something, and we don't know.
And we're right next to it, but we don't know.
And if that's why I'm doing research, I want to see, you know, I want to grow as a human being, find what's the truth, even though I probably will never find out the truth.
But I want to get closer and closer and find my own research, see what's happening, you know, and we're all in the same pattern, you know.
joe rogan
You know what I think the problem with people wanting to find the truth is there is no truth.
There are truths.
I think there is no one truth.
And everyone is like, someday I hope to find the truth.
Like, what are you talking about?
It's not one thing.
There's truths.
There's a lot of information.
There's a lot of stuff.
And to call it the truth, like to figure out the whole big thing, it's almost impossible for our brains to grasp.
Like an ant doesn't know what a cell phone tower is.
It's almost impossible for our brains to grasp the enormity of going from protons and cells and an animal and a planet and a galaxy and a universe and multiple universes.
It's not, it's too much.
There's no way you're going to be able to take all the things that are going in all over the world and understand it all and understand the pieces that it falls into.
It's not possible.
So this whole thing where I was like, I'm going to, you know, hopefully I'll find the truth.
You will find truths.
You will never find the truth because you're a monkey.
georges st-pierre
Yeah, we're not smart enough.
Yeah, I understand what you say.
joe rogan
We are being birthed into...
A whole new universe of information that's never existed for any previous human beings.
And we're not designed for it.
We're not designed to process this.
We're designed to figure out where the deer are going.
We're designed to figure out who do you want to fuck.
We're designed to think this guy, he's probably going to take over my village, this cunt.
And that's how we're designed.
And then within the last 10,000 years, that has become, you know, watching like space documentaries and getting on the internet and it's too much.
There's no way.
There's no way you know exactly what's going on all over the world.
You'll go crazy.
You don't have the time.
georges st-pierre
It will take a lot of time to acclimate.
I agree 100% with that.
joe rogan
Have you heard of a lot of these guys, like Dan Hardy did this, going to Peru and they take these ayahuasca ceremonies?
Did you hear about that?
georges st-pierre
No.
joe rogan
You didn't hear about that?
Dan Hardy did it.
Again, wait to get him on the podcast and talk to him about it, but he said it changed his whole life.
And it's the same thing.
It's DMT. It's these Amazon Indians, they make it in a brew, and the active ingredient in this brew is DMT, and they have these ceremonies.
And they all get together and they'll play music and this guy like blows tobacco smoke in your face and you drink this stuff and an hour and 20 minutes later they enter into the spirit world.
Have life-changing visions of the wildest physical manifestations of your imagination you could ever possibly think of and dream of.
You can't even think about it.
You can't even put it into words.
And it's legal in Peru.
You know, it's legal in parts of South America.
So people are going down there.
Americans are going down there on a regular basis and having these shamanic rituals, life-changing rituals.
And it's all based on the same thing that comes out of your brain when you're dreaming.
georges st-pierre
Yeah.
joe rogan
Pretty nutty.
georges st-pierre
Yeah, it could make you realize things.
Like you say, learn about yourself, you know.
joe rogan
Do you meditate?
georges st-pierre
I wouldn't say meditate, I would say visualizing, yes.
joe rogan
Visualizing?
So with specific tasks in mind?
Like visualizing fight strategies?
georges st-pierre
Fights, visualizing what I want in my life, where I wanted to be in 20 years.
I've tried to visualize where I could be and what I want.
It could be about fight, it could be about anything.
It could be about my training and One hour, what I'm going to do.
About everything.
It could be in business.
It could be when I'm going to meet someone, what I'm going to say.
It could be about everything.
joe rogan
Do you have very specific goals for your life?
Do you have things written down?
georges st-pierre
Yes, I do.
joe rogan
Do you write them down?
georges st-pierre
Yeah, I have goals.
Some I wrote it down, some I don't.
But yeah, I do.
I do have a specific goal.
I have goals for my career, but I have bigger goals than this.
Much bigger.
joe rogan
Much bigger goal than your career.
georges st-pierre
Yeah, like for example...
joe rogan
Are you going to be president of the world?
georges st-pierre
No, no, but I want to be...
For example, one of my goals is to be married, have a wife with at least five kids, four or five kids, minimum.
joe rogan
Wow.
georges st-pierre
I want to have a lot of kids.
That's one of my goals, you know?
That's my goal.
And that's...
I'm not there yet, but it's one of my goals, you know?
joe rogan
I don't think you're going to have a problem finding a nice lady.
georges st-pierre
Find a nice lady that I can get along with.
joe rogan
Well, I think you're better off in Canada.
georges st-pierre
I have a lot of kids.
joe rogan
Look up in Canada.
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Japan.
joe rogan
That's where you need to stay.
Don't be trying to get these American chicks.
They'll get mouthy.
Especially after you retire.
You all retired and shit.
georges st-pierre
That's so funny.
joe rogan
Do you have a clear timeline as to when you're going to discontinue your fighting career?
georges st-pierre
No, I don't.
I didn't plan this.
Now I'm focusing on my career right now.
I wanted to be the best at what I do, and I want to be the guy that made the difference in the sport, help the sport, the UFC, grow and be more mainstream everywhere.
joe rogan
Well, you've already done that just by being who you are, by your personality, your ability to just be a normal guy who just happens to be one of the baddest motherfuckers on the planet.
georges st-pierre
Yeah, but it still is a lot of things to do.
In some countries, it's illegal.
joe rogan
Sure, there's still a lot of work to do as far as the spread of MMA. Not just some countries, some states.
It's still illegal in New York State.
georges st-pierre
When I first started, yeah.
When I'm from my country, it was illegal in Canada, you know.
It was not sanctioned and everything.
So this I'm happy at least where I live now.
It's good and it's very popular.
joe rogan
Yeah, I watched your first fights, man.
I watched you in the TKO organization.
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Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, I watched all those.
I've always been a big, big fan of MMA, and I think that it's so important that there's all these other organizations going on, like that MFC up in Canada, and it used to be Strikeforce, and now there's Bellator's doing really well.
It's so important to have a bunch of different outlets For guys to pursue their careers.
But up in Canada, it was just like that TKO organization, right?
georges st-pierre
Yeah, it was pretty much only the TKO. You guys fought in the ring?
Yeah, it was in a ring back then.
joe rogan
Some guys prefer the ring.
What do you prefer?
georges st-pierre
No, the cage.
joe rogan
The cage?
georges st-pierre
Yeah, the ring, it's not the environment.
The cage is better.
Or I would rather do like...
Yeah, the cage is perfect.
A circular, like octagon or circular cage.
Or even better than a ring, there would be like a platform where there is no walls.
There is like a line.
You don't fall but there is a line and if you step across the line, they put you back.
There is a line and then there is a bigger, so you don't fall but it's a platform.
It's way better.
joe rogan
I see what you're saying.
georges st-pierre
They have that in the Super League a little bit.
joe rogan
Like wrestling?
unidentified
Like sumo.
georges st-pierre
Yeah, kind of sumo, yeah, exactly.
That would be good too.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's not a bad idea.
It's just a space consideration probably.
georges st-pierre
Yeah, for sure.
joe rogan
You don't want some Brock Lesnar dude just steamrolling someone right into the crowd.
georges st-pierre
It's true.
No, no, that would be outcourt, but something like that.
I think the cage is pretty good.
It's a good surface.
joe rogan
Yeah, the only objection that people have as fans is sometimes it makes the action a little harder to see if you're there.
You know, watching it at home is perfect.
georges st-pierre
I'm sure they could make a A material, which is like a window that could see through it.
Like a plastic window, which is soft.
joe rogan
Isn't it all greasy and shit?
Every time dudes would be like, what if that Daniel Cremier-Frank Mir fight happened?
The whole thing would be just grease.
You wouldn't be able to see shit, because those guys pressed up against every spot on that cage.
brian redban
But it's also girl MMA now, and it could be like a car wash.
joe rogan
Like a girl MMA car wash.
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It's true, but I'm sure there is a...
georges st-pierre
There's a lot of things I would have changed in the sport.
First of all, the time.
There's no time.
No round.
joe rogan
Right.
georges st-pierre
I think, seriously, I believe it's stupid, the round.
We want to see who's the best man.
Let them fight.
15 minutes or maybe 25 minutes for the championship.
No round.
Why the round?
Why we try to be like boxing?
We're not boxers.
They did rounds to be like boxing, to be accepted as a sport.
joe rogan
Yeah, there would probably be a lot more finishes if there was no time left.
georges st-pierre
Yeah, of course.
100%.
No round.
This is ridiculous.
I like it.
joe rogan
Do you think it's possible that the UFC... Would you fight someone like that?
georges st-pierre
100%.
joe rogan
Would you arrange that as a particular rule?
Maybe the UFC could do it in Russia or somewhere where they're gangster about it?
georges st-pierre
Yeah, I would rather fight in a rule like this.
I think we'll be more honest.
Like, who's the better man?
Let them fight, you know?
joe rogan
See, that could have happened in Pride.
They did that in Pride, right?
Doesn't Hoist Gracie have a 90-minute match with Sakuraba?
But I think that was like, even then, it was like...
georges st-pierre
That's when they used to be the real thing, you know?
Back in the day.
That's why I have so much respect for these guys.
Hoyce, Coleman, Dan Sovereign.
This guy is a pioneer, you know?
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
The no time limit pioneers.
georges st-pierre
Harold Howard.
joe rogan
With his tank top.
With those crazy glasses.
georges st-pierre
Joe Son, though.
Who else did that?
joe rogan
Joe Son became like a...
georges st-pierre
Fredditch.
joe rogan
He's in jail for gang rape.
georges st-pierre
Oh my god, really?
joe rogan
Yeah, Joe Sando is a part of a gang rape.
georges st-pierre
Are you serious?
joe rogan
Yeah, apparently.
georges st-pierre
I didn't know that.
joe rogan
They arrested him for something else and got his DNA and connected it to a gang rape from years by.
Oh my god.
georges st-pierre
I'm wondering what happened to some of the other guys.
Harold Howard.
joe rogan
I think he got arrested.
georges st-pierre
He's a Canadian.
When I watched him, I was happy.
He's a Canadian guy.
I was like, yeah, let's kick ass, you know?
joe rogan
Everybody threw that crazy cartwheel kick on Steve Jennum.
georges st-pierre
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
That was good.
That was a good fight, you know?
joe rogan
Yeah, it was good, man.
georges st-pierre
How about the boxer Emerson with one glove?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Yeah, what was it?
Jimerson.
Art Jimerson.
georges st-pierre
Yes, yes.
joe rogan
What was that about?
Maybe he had a hurt hand or something.
georges st-pierre
No, I think he was thinking more like he's going to grab with one hand and swing with the other one.
I don't know.
Who knows what's going through their mind.
But it was awesome back then.
It was a real thing.
It was the time where I literally watched the fight back in the day and thought someone could die.
You needed to have so much courage back in the day to step into the octahoe, much more than nowadays.
Nowadays, you know, okay, before it's no weight class, nothing.
It was like unknown.
It was unknown.
I remember a fight like Norris against Pat Smith.
Man, the guy had blood everywhere before they stopped the fight.
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Then you see a towel flying and he still didn't stop the fight.
georges st-pierre
I'm like, this is when the guy is the pioneer.
These guys, they were the real tough guy.
You know what I mean?
joe rogan
Yeah, there was no referee stopping the fight.
georges st-pierre
Yeah, no referee, no round, no athletic commission, no weight class, no this, no that, no A. Do you see fights where fights get stopped quickly?
joe rogan
Does that piss you off?
georges st-pierre
Well, you know, it's to protect the, you know, the referee can make a mistake sometimes, and it pisses me off.
Yeah, it's sad to see when there's a mistake done.
I think they try to be the best they could be, but, like, I can't believe the round.
I don't think round is a good idea.
That's my opinion, personally.
joe rogan
Just round in general.
georges st-pierre
Round is a bad idea, yeah.
joe rogan
What about gloves?
Some people think there should be no gloves.
Some people think if you can knee a guy and elbow a guy and kick a guy, why do you have covers on your knuckles?
georges st-pierre
That's true.
Could be an option.
But there would be a lot of broken hands.
But the problem is they would fight differently.
Like back in Pankration, I wrote stuff that they used to hit a lot with the smash, the hand, you know?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Well, if you watch the old Bas Rutten days in Pankrase, he figured out that he could throw punches.
He pulls his hand way back.
So instead of like slapping and like karate chop style, he was throwing punches.
But he was doing it with his palm.
georges st-pierre
Yeah.
But the thing is, we wouldn't fight the same way we would fight now to preserve our body.
Like when I fought Nick Diaz, he was in turtle position, I was punching.
Like if I would be bare hand, I would hit with my palm.
You know what I mean?
I wouldn't hit like the same way.
I would have probably broke my hand.
I never had my hand broken.
I'm lucky.
But, you know, I would fight different, different, different way.
It would make it better also for all the grappling aspect.
joe rogan
Yeah.
georges st-pierre
I'm a big fan of Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu and wrestling.
It would be better.
joe rogan
It would be more realistic.
I mean, I don't really understand why they have a pad on the gloves.
I mean, I think it's...
georges st-pierre
A hundred percent.
A hundred percent.
joe rogan
If you don't have pads on your shins and you're kicking people in the face, like, come on, that's crazy.
Like, you're going to pad little knuckles?
And yeah, you can cut people more, but it also breaks your hand more.
It's just, if you want to, if the sport...
If you're trying to have it be realistic, it's almost like bad to allow people to wear gloves because it allows them to tee off and punch as hard as they can without worrying about breaking their hands.
georges st-pierre
100%.
100%.
It's true.
It's true.
And, you know, you could break your hand, but, you know, you hit a guy with a good punch in the jaw, you know, bare knuckle, I don't think he will break your hand, you know?
Just doing karate, you know?
Kerkoshin, you know?
joe rogan
Well, people are also...
georges st-pierre
You would punch much harder, of course, because the tape, I don't think it's the glove, I think it's the tape that holds the wrist, so there is no movement in the wrist and everything, all the impact makes it harder.
joe rogan
Yes, definitely.
georges st-pierre
That's why I believe.
joe rogan
Yeah, I think the hand wrap definitely aids the person who's punching.
But you also would be really cognizant of only punching with the first two knuckles.
Because in boxing, You know, you're taught to punch and concentrate on those knuckles, but in reality, a lot of times when you're throwing combinations, you're hitting them with all parts of your hand.
Whereas you're taught in karate, the idea of punching, you know, like a makiwara over and over and over again.
It's tough in these two knuckles.
georges st-pierre
Jack Dempsey says it's the third knuckle.
joe rogan
The third knuckle?
georges st-pierre
Yes, he used to punch with the third knuckle.
Interesting.
And he was known for punching power.
joe rogan
Yeah, he can punch very hard, Jack Dempsey.
georges st-pierre
Yes.
So he says it's the third knuckle because he said the alignment of the body is better with the third knuckle.
joe rogan
Hmm, that's interesting.
Well, I would never argue with Jack Dempsey, but most people believe that it's the first two years.
georges st-pierre
No, no, I know.
Karate, same thing they teach, but Jack Dempsey, strangely, says the third knuckle in the book.
He says that.
joe rogan
That guy was a fucking savage, huh?
georges st-pierre
Yeah, he was like...
joe rogan
Watch those old school fights and he would fight dudes much bigger than him.
He was only about a buck ninety.
I think he was like 196 or something like that when he was the heavyweight champion.
He was fucking up those...
You know what?
I might be wrong.
I think actually Jack Dempsey was even lighter than that.
I think Jack Dempsey...
Hold on a second.
Let me pull it up.
I don't even think he was 196. Rocky Marciano, which is really crazy.
georges st-pierre
Marciano was 175. Yeah, what the fuck, man?
joe rogan
There's certain dudes like that that just can hit so fucking hard.
georges st-pierre
Yeah, but their opponent was not as big as well, you know?
That's true.
Now we're like monsters.
Like, look at Klitschko, you know?
It's crazy, you know?
joe rogan
Yeah, it doesn't say his weight on his Wikipedia.
It says he's six foot one.
georges st-pierre
Marciano or Dempsey?
Marciano was like 175, 180. Marciano was?
Yeah, yeah.
I thought he was 185. Marciano, I remember I read he was a 180. I don't think he was...
joe rogan
Dempsey was 192. That's crazy.
georges st-pierre
It's like my size.
It's my size fighting an heavyweight guy like Brock Lesnar.
Holy shoot.
joe rogan
But they had those little tiny-ass gloves back then.
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True.
joe rogan
They had just a little cover over the knuckles.
Very little padding at all.
It was probably just a little horse hair in there as well.
Wild.
Wild.
Do you pay attention to old videos of old fights?
Do you ever watch old boxing matches and see...
What guys like Dempsey had to go through?
What guys like Jack Johnson had to go through?
georges st-pierre
I watch a lot of stuff.
What I've been watching on the internet recently is a lot of karate stuff.
I'm really intrigued.
joe rogan
Really?
georges st-pierre
Yeah.
The point karate guys, I think it's very underrated.
Oh, yeah!
There's a lot of very good fighters.
They come from that.
I think it translates to MMA very well.
joe rogan
Absolutely.
Marciano was 188, apparently.
The ability to move in and out really quickly.
Have you ever fought in point tournaments before?
georges st-pierre
I did, yeah.
joe rogan
It's very frustrating.
georges st-pierre
I'm from Kyokushin Karate.
It's not the same system, but I did point karate before, yeah.
joe rogan
I've fought only a few point karate tournaments, but I found one really high-level guy who wins a lot of those point tournaments.
It was so different from Taekwondo being continuous fighting to this being like, stop!
And it was really hard to fight that way if you're not used to it.
And I would just imagine a guy who's really good at lunging in and out like that.
If you could teach him all the other aspects of MMA, that would be a big advantage.
georges st-pierre
That's what I use for my takedown.
The shoot, people say, oh, you're wrestling.
It has nothing to do with my wrestling.
My wrestling is once I get the leg, I finish the tagdown.
But how do I get in and out?
It's because of karate.
People are like, no way, karate, no.
And I'm like, yes, karate that allowed me to cut the distance and take the people down.
I have a very good single to the ball or very good double and very good penetration.
It's because of my leg, the way I do.
And this timing, I get it from the karate.
I wrestling too, but karate primary.
Because before I started wrestling, I was a karate guy, pure.
And I just acclimated myself very well to wrestling, especially for the mixed martial arts.
joe rogan
Wow, that's really interesting.
Because I've always said that one of the best things about you is your ability to close the distance.
georges st-pierre
Yeah, it's karate.
That makes sense.
joe rogan
It totally makes sense.
georges st-pierre
All my footwork pattern and everything is from karate.
This is what I get it from.
joe rogan
Springing in like that, the ability to cover that distance, that's a huge advantage.
georges st-pierre
Cover the distance and to not get hit is very important.
joe rogan
Right.
Yeah, and that is one of the cornerstones of those tournaments and that style.
Did you have a hard time when you made a transition to Muay Thai and MMA style?
georges st-pierre
Today, even my kicks are...
I'm more like a karate guy.
I do Muay Thai, but my kick is printed inside of my brain.
It's hard to say.
You're a Taekwondo guy.
You can kick, but you will stay Taekwondo.
It's fine too.
I believe Taekwondo is the best putting back kick.
You have the best putting back kick I've ever seen in my entire life.
You're from Taekwondo, you know what I mean?
And it's your background.
You try to change your technique of your spinning bike kick, it will be the worst thing you could do, you know what I mean?
So I try to learn to add stuff to my arsenal, but I don't try to change my thing.
joe rogan
Right, right.
Yeah, I still incorporate a lot of those techniques, but I do more just regular Muay Thai now than anything else.
Because I think all those techniques, like the spinning back kick and wheel kick, for a guy like you that has a strong karate background or a guy who picks things up really quickly, those are good techniques to learn.
But for everyday use, it's hard to pull those things off unless you're doing it on a regular basis.
They become normal when you're fighting in Taekwondo tournaments, and everybody's doing it, and you're doing it every day.
But in MMA, there's so many other fucking things.
To have the type of leg dexterity that you see the top-level Taekwondo guys have, it's so hard to have that along with wrestling, along with boxing, along with jiu-jitsu.
How do you manage all your different skill sets?
Do you have 20% of your time goes to this, 30% goes to that.
georges st-pierre
No, no, no.
It depends.
I'll give you an example right now.
Last week I was doing for the movie Captain America, the filming.
Then now I'm doing the interview.
But every day I find time, I go to Freddie Roach to work on my boxing.
And this time I'm on my boxing pretty much.
And when I'm gonna go to New York, for example, because I have to go to New York for the book promo and stuff, I'm gonna do my Jiu Jitsu with John Danner.
I'm gonna be doing Jiu Jitsu.
When I go back in Montreal, I mixed up everything, you know?
But when I go to different places, I go, you know, I do my...
Like, specific things.
joe rogan
And this is in between fights, so you don't have a fight scheduled, so now you're just in the skill development phase, is that what it is?
georges st-pierre
Yeah, and that's where my training is fun, because I train for myself to get better and I try stuff.
Like now, you see me, if I go roll with my friend, like at this academy, I roll, I try stuff that I would maybe not have the guts to try in normal time because it's risky.
So I try it, oh, I get tapped, and I tap, and I laugh.
Who cares if I tap?
I don't care.
Sometimes I tap him, sometimes I get tapped.
But when I train for a training camp, No, I train for performance, so I have to perform.
I cannot be beaten in training, otherwise my confidence will be affected, so I try to perform.
So that's why my training is not as fun as it is now.
joe rogan
Yeah, the ability to loosen up in training is very important when you're in the learning phase, right?
georges st-pierre
Yes, yes.
joe rogan
That's how you develop new techniques.
And there is an ego issue too, like with guys who are not that good at jiu-jitsu, like you see it a lot, like maybe the strikers, they don't want to roll because they don't like getting tapped.
georges st-pierre
That's stupid.
It doesn't mean anything you tap.
It doesn't mean you're not as good as the other guy.
It doesn't mean you play that game and you just get cut.
So what?
So what?
I got to tap all the time.
I don't get a damn.
joe rogan
It's a fascinating aspect of jiu-jitsu, though, that doesn't exist in other martial arts.
If you kickbox and spar a guy, it's not as...
georges st-pierre
Yeah, it's like you don't want to be knocked out, but it would be the same thing in a way.
You're a jiu-jitsu guy and you do kickboxing with a guy, but that guy will not knock you out.
Let's say he will do a combo that you would know that right hand would have knocked me out.
In jiu-jitsu, I would tap, otherwise he would have break my arm.
It's a little bit the same thing.
We don't hurt each other.
In jiu-jitsu, you can allow to go further without hurting each other than in kickboxing, for example, where it's striking.
It can be brain damage.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's the hardest, is it?
Or I should ask you, is that the hardest place to find guys that you're comfortable with training with, is in striking?
So you know that they're not trying to knock you out?
You know, like, every day in the gym isn't a war?
georges st-pierre
It's different.
I'm gonna tell you, I have many times people try to hurt me, and I try to hurt them, you know?
Like, I have no choice, you know?
Now it's different because of the notoriety I have.
I can find a place where I can go.
I mean, training, it's training.
We still go hard.
There is a smart way to train, of course.
I don't try to hurt myself when I train and try to hurt people.
But of course, let's say I'm training for a fight.
Before a fight, we spar hard.
If you see you hurt the guy, you let him breathe.
You don't go for the finish.
But the thing is, for example, kick to the head, we control the kick to the head, things like that.
We don't do knees to the head, the elbows, stuff like that.
We don't do that.
And this is important to have a good training partner like that.
Because sometimes you train with someone who's crazy.
You're getting ready for a fight.
It's a lot of money on the table.
He's going to cut you.
Things like that you don't need to make a name for himself.
So now when people ask me, hey, why are you going to go train in my gym?
It's because sometimes because I go train in the gym, they know who I am.
I'm George St. Pierre.
And they go, oh, I'm going to try to hurt him to make a name for myself.
And that sucks.
I don't like it.
So I'm very careful with why I train now.
That's a bad side of it because a lot of people try to take advantage and make their name, you know?
And I don't like it, you know?
I like to train with different training partners, new guys, but now I have to be careful to do it.
I cannot do it, you know?
I have to know where I'm going.
The guy tells me, oh, this guy, you can go with him.
He's good, you know?
I don't care to get tapped out or be dominated.
That's not what I care.
I care of being hurt or injured or not being able to work.
It's a lot of money.
When I have a fight I have to cancel, it sucks.
joe rogan
Yeah, there's always accidental injuries, but there's the injuries where you know a guy's trying to hurt you because he's trying to...
That's got to be really annoying.
georges st-pierre
There is guys that...
How do you say they...
They always hurt people.
Oh no, I didn't mean it!
But why did it always happen to you, man?
Why did it always happen to you?
I've got in the gym in Montreal.
When I bring my training partner here, let's say I bring guys to train from my last training camp.
For my training camp to mimic Nick Diaz, I told these guys, I said, listen, there is this guy, this guy, you're not going to train with him.
Because he's like, and they're all like, why, why, why?
It's like, because every time someone trains with you, it happens to an injury.
It's like, yeah, but I don't mean it.
I thought, you don't mean it.
But it's still happening, man.
It's like, that's how you are, man.
joe rogan
I've seen guys kicked out of gyms for that.
georges st-pierre
Of course, of course.
But some guys, it's intentional.
Some guys, it's not intentional.
But even if it's not intentional, you don't want to take that chance to do it.
You know what I mean?
I don't hurt people when I train.
Find me a guy that I hurt in training.
It could have happened accidentally once in a while.
unidentified
Very rare.
georges st-pierre
It's very rare I hurt people.
Very, very rare.
I could if I wanted to.
I could.
But I don't hurt.
I don't hurt the people.
joe rogan
Yeah, you're there to train.
georges st-pierre
You're there to get better.
Yes, of course, of course.
joe rogan
Yeah, there's a couple guys that I know that people just won't train with.
They just walk away from them.
georges st-pierre
Yeah, you're going to get hurt.
joe rogan
No thanks.
georges st-pierre
Because you know the minute you're going to train with them, it's going to be a fight.
It's going to be like a real fight.
And I'm paid to fight and I don't want to hurt myself in real life.
And I don't want to have to hurt.
I don't want to put myself in this situation.
joe rogan
You put together a great camp now, though, man.
You go into so many different great guys.
John Donaher, who's one of the most underrated or underappreciated jiu-jitsu coaches in MMA, in the world, really.
If you look at all the different guys that get famous for coaching jiu-jitsu.
Talked to a lot of people about John Donaher, and they all said the same thing.
Like, that guy's a bad motherfucker.
Super smart.
Brilliant in the corner.
I love the advice he gives.
He's always on point, direct, accurate.
georges st-pierre
He's probably the most...
I would say...
Brilliant, educated man I ever met in my life.
joe rogan
Yeah, he's brilliant.
A lot of people don't know.
I believe he's a philosophy major.
georges st-pierre
Yeah, he's a Ph.D. in philosophy.
He used to teach philosophy in Columbia University.
joe rogan
And he was a bouncer.
georges st-pierre
Before he dropped everything and dedicated his life to Jiu-Jitsu.
And he was bouncing at night in a hip-hop club.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
georges st-pierre
In a hip-hop club, can you believe it?
joe rogan
And apparently he was big on weightlifting back then.
georges st-pierre
Yeah, he was a bodybuilder.
joe rogan
And then he starts doing jiu-jitsu and fell in love with it.
georges st-pierre
That's amazing.
joe rogan
Yeah, so you go to him for your jiu-jitsu and Henzo as well, right?
You go to Henzo's?
georges st-pierre
Yes, I go to Henzo's.
joe rogan
You travel to a lot of gyms.
georges st-pierre
Yeah, but I travel.
It's a good thing because I have places that no matter...
I come to LA often for business stuff.
But when I come to LA, I have the place where I can train in LA. I'm very happy.
I have places where I can train in New York.
I go to New York a lot.
And Montreal, of course.
France, Paris, France.
It's important.
Everywhere I go, I have a second home where I can go train.
joe rogan
That was hilarious when you brought that French dude with you on the Ultimate Fighter and he showed up hammered.
What is his name again?
georges st-pierre
Jean-Charles Skarboski.
He's a very, very good Muay Thai guy.
joe rogan
He's a very famous Muay Thai kickboxer.
He would be partying all night and show up to the gym with one of them club cups, plastic cups, and there was fucking alcohol in it.
georges st-pierre
He's out of his mind.
He shows up, he was drunk and high from the party.
He hasn't sleep for more than...
Like 36 hours, you know, flight to Paris.
Then I thought, I made the training when he arrived.
I made on purpose.
I made, I organized the training for him to come teach the afternoon class, the late afternoon, not the morning class because I said, I was thinking, oh, he's going to sleep.
No, he arrived from Paris the night before, went out all night, went in an after party, went in an after, after party and arrived straight to training.
Didn't even go to his hotel room and train and kick everyone's ass in Muay Thai.
unidentified
Everybody was like, what the hell is this?
georges st-pierre
And even when he left, because he stayed for like a week, when he left, the producer of the Ultimate Fighter came to see me.
George, George, George, we need to get this guy.
We need to keep this guy here.
It was good TV, you know?
I was like, no, no, he's leaving.
He has to go back.
It was making me look bad sometimes, you know?
joe rogan
And he's not an imposing looking guy, which is amazing.
When you look at him, he's not like a scary looking...
georges st-pierre
But he doesn't know anything about MMA. He has no idea who was Chuck Liddell, who was Anderson.
He had no idea.
He came in the room and he saw all those pictures and was like, who's these guys are?
He knows all those famous Muay Thai guys, but MMA doesn't know anything about it.
joe rogan
Yeah, he fights ties.
He fights in Lampini Stadium.
georges st-pierre
Yeah, he fought Buakao, the guy.
He cut Buakao with a spinning elbow in the head.
He lost that fight, but he took that fight on a short notice, like a few days' notice, and he was underweight.
He had to gain weight for the weight class.
He doesn't care.
He has courage like crazy.
joe rogan
Wow.
It's weird because you look at the guy, you'd never think that guy's a fighter.
georges st-pierre
It's amazing.
Character.
We're surrounded by a lot of character.
joe rogan
Kickboxing is much more famous in Europe than it is in America, isn't it?
georges st-pierre
True.
I believe the level is higher in Europe.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Apparently, the glory, though, they're going to start to bring glory to someone...
I think they're going to bring it to...
Frank Shamrock said they're going to bring it to CBS Sports.
I don't know what channel that is.
I think CBS has a bunch of different channels that they own.
But if they start airing those, like, high-level, you know, like Gokhan Saki and Daniel Gita and all these, like, high-level heavyweight guys, that's some wild shit to watch.
georges st-pierre
It's true.
It's true.
It's got to be interesting, you know, to bring that here.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's so funny how, like, the difference in just, like, a pure, straight-up kickboxing match, you know, when guys have no worries about being taken down, you know, and when people say, oh, like, the level of kickboxing in MMA is not as high as the level of kickboxing.
georges st-pierre
It's a different distance.
joe rogan
Yeah, everything's different, right?
unidentified
It's different.
georges st-pierre
You cannot compare.
joe rogan
Different stance?
georges st-pierre
Look, Alistair Varin got knocked out by the, what is his name?
joe rogan
Antonio Bigfoot Silva.
georges st-pierre
Yeah, Silva.
But he's a K1 champion.
You know, it...
It's because it's not the same thing.
It's not the same thing.
I mean, it's easy to adapt when you're a higher level K1 guy to adapt to MMA timing, but the timing is different.
joe rogan
I think Alistair had some issues going into that fight.
georges st-pierre
It could be too.
I don't know the inside of it, but I'm just thinking.
joe rogan
He's got a testosterone issue.
He's got low testosterone.
He tested high for testosterone, like he had taken something, and now he has low testosterone.
georges st-pierre
Okay, but I mean, it's just an example.
I don't know the behind clothes or what happened.
joe rogan
He just didn't look like he had a lot of energy, and Bigfoot Silva waited until he got tired and just beat the shit out of him.
That was a brutal knockout, too.
georges st-pierre
Yeah, I remember I was surprised to see that.
I was like, oh my god, I was not expecting this.
joe rogan
Bigfoot Silva looked awesome.
That was an amazing combination, man.
I mean, you know, whether...
Alistair was hurt or not, the combination he leveled him with was devastating.
It was a lot like, remember Phil Barone and Dave Manet?
Remember that knockout?
Where Phil Barone had Dave Manet pinned up against the cage?
That was violent, yes.
georges st-pierre
Bang, bang, bang.
joe rogan
Oh, he hit him like four times before Mané can even drop.
georges st-pierre
That was bad, yeah.
joe rogan
And Barone could fucking hit.
And he's teeing off on him and literally he's keeping him standing with his punches.
This Bigfoot one wasn't quite as devastating as that, but it was number two.
georges st-pierre
Yeah, Mané was like bouncing on the felt like bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang.
joe rogan
It was like the greatest punching highlight reel knockout ever, that Barone-Mané fight.
georges st-pierre
It's true.
It was bad.
It was bad.
joe rogan
Some of those knockouts you watch are like When you first lost your title to Matt Serra, that was the first time...
georges st-pierre
Matt Serra, yeah, it's true.
joe rogan
When you lost your title to Matt Serra and Matt Serra stopped you, that had to be the most devastating loss of your career, right?
georges st-pierre
It was, but I learned something valuable that allowed me to survive to Carlos Condit.
joe rogan
What was that?
georges st-pierre
When I got hit by Matzera, the first punch, it made me very dizzy.
And I was so proud.
Like pride, it's a good thing, but it could be a bad thing.
I was so proud.
I'm a very proud person.
So I got wibble, you say in English, right?
unidentified
Wobble.
georges st-pierre
I got wobbled.
And instead of back off and say, oh, I'm going to go back to my sense.
Why did I go back to my equilibrium before reattacking?
I got wobbled and I got so angry.
I was like, I can't believe this guy.
Because back in the day, it was like 5 to 1, 10 to 1 the odds.
I was like, I can't believe I got...
Wobble by a guy like this.
Back in the day, I was angry that I got wobbled.
I was a proud guy.
First time it ever happened in my life.
So I wanted to give it back to him as fast as I can.
But Masore hit very hard.
So I didn't have any equilibrium.
I got wobbled with one shot.
Then I tried to jump back into a war with him, into a slugfest with him while I was wobbled.
And he wasn't.
So I got punched.
unidentified
Like, boom!
Boom!
Boom!
georges st-pierre
Then he started to tee off on me and then I fall down and I tap.
I knew I was completely out.
If I would have kept going, I would be like, you know, I had to stop.
Thanks God, the referee stopped.
But what happened with Carlos Condit?
The same situation.
I got kicked in the head.
unidentified
Then...
georges st-pierre
Then instead of telling, oh, I need to give it back to him, I fall on the ground.
I say, you know what?
Yes, I got caught.
Then relax now.
It's time to defense.
Catch up your breath.
Catch up your senses.
Bing, bang, bang.
I focus on my defense, my shield, close everything, every opportunity he has to hurt me.
And then I came back after.
So I step into my ego a little bit, try to accept the fact that I got hit.
Relaxed and then I came back later.
That's the experience that I gained from that loss with Matzera that allowed me to survive Carlos Condit.
joe rogan
Interesting.
georges st-pierre
Because Carlos Condit dropped me with that kick.
Matzera, the first time he cut me, I wobbled but I didn't drop.
I was on my feet.
But I tried to get back right into a slugfest with him.
Instead of backing up, I tried to use my footwork.
Get back to my senses and that's what happened.
I got caught.
Sometimes you learn during a loss and that's what happened to me.
Matt Serra, by beating me, he helped me become a better martial artist.
joe rogan
What had you in more trouble?
The punch by Matt Serra or the kick by Condit?
georges st-pierre
The kick, I believe, with Condit was harder.
It was a bigger kick.
The first punch, if you look, the punches of Serra finished me because it was many punches.
I took many punches before I fell, and when I fell, I was too late.
I was completely dizzy, you know?
But I should have, when I got punched and wobbled, because Matt Serra hit very hard, and I never seen that punch coming, I should have stepped back or hold him or go for it, you know, instead of trying to slugfest with him.
And Condit, when I got dropped, I said to myself, I said, okay, like, don't go back into, because I couldn't go back, try to go a single, go back up right away.
I said, okay, use the guard, up, up, up, close, close everything.
And, and, you know, because I was dizzy a little bit too, you know, I didn't see the kick coming at all.
I follow his body and his kick come on the side and on the temple.
He, he, he, he damaged my, uh, temple artery, uh, By the way, it was a hard kick, man.
joe rogan
Yeah, it looked like a hard kick.
georges st-pierre
I had to go to Asperol after and get it fixed, you know?
joe rogan
You have to go in 10 minutes?
Is that what's going on here?
Is that why you guys were having a fucking conversation?
What is it?
What's going on?
You know of another interview?
Man, what kind of other interview you got?
Some boring ass bullshit is what you got.
What do you got to do?
georges st-pierre
It's another PR stuff for the book, I guess.
joe rogan
Ah, the book.
PR stuff.
So, everybody wants to know.
georges st-pierre
And I need to go train, too, Joe.
joe rogan
Yeah, where are you going to train tonight?
Don't tell anybody, man.
They're going to go watch you.
georges st-pierre
They have the security.
joe rogan
Curves.
Do you...
Like, now that you just beat Diaz, there's a lot of people that are coming up in the 170-pound division.
Of course, Johnny Hendricks is the big name, and Jake Ellenberger, and all these different guys.
Do you...
At one point in time, there's been a lot of talk, at one point in time, of you guys getting together and you and Anderson Silva meeting maybe at a catchweight or something like that and fighting in a super fight.
georges st-pierre
Yeah, is that question everybody asks me?
They ask me that even before I came back from my injury, you know?
Right.
I need to do stuff in my division because it has moved now.
I know Silva is fighting Chris Weinman, but I understand Silva is very big.
He's 230 pounds.
He's a very big guy walking around, very big.
And I'm 190 pounds.
joe rogan
Right.
georges st-pierre
And it's a lot of weight different.
So, you know, if this fight happens one day, we're going to have to decide what weight class and, you know, everything.
But this is, you know, I'm trying to see, figure out what's going to happen, what weight class and everything.
He says he can make 170. If he won't make 170, I weight 170 and he comes 170. It's fine.
joe rogan
Do you think that's possible?
georges st-pierre
He was fighting back in the day in Japan at 168. That was a long time ago.
Yeah, but he was over 25 years old.
joe rogan
Wow.
So you think if he just did it slowly over a long time?
georges st-pierre
Yeah.
joe rogan
What's the biggest cut you've ever seen?
The biggest weight cut?
georges st-pierre
I did or?
joe rogan
Anybody?
That you've ever seen anybody do?
georges st-pierre
I don't do a lot of cuts.
It would be easier for me to go fight at 155 than fighting at 185. I would be more at my weight naturally.
There's guys at 155, they walk around 190 like me.
joe rogan
Yes, I've seen them.
georges st-pierre
Because they think I'm big because I have a large frame.
But I'm not a big guy.
I'm not thick.
We'll see this fight.
Now he's fighting women.
Hendrix is freaking out.
He wants to fight me.
We'll see what's going to happen in the future.
joe rogan
What do you think is next?
Is it going to be the Hendrix fight?
georges st-pierre
Probably Hendrix.
joe rogan
That's a big fight.
georges st-pierre
Yeah, but the thing is, he's always going to be a guy that people say, oh, this guy is going to beat you after Hendrix.
We'll see what's going to happen.
joe rogan
Yeah, no, it's a good fight.
It's a fight that a lot of people want to see and you have a very talent stacked division.
You know, you at the top and look at how many great contenders there are at 170. It's a very tough division.
What's it like walking around with that kind of stress?
You've got a whole line of trained killers that want to get to the champ.
Is that a difficult thing to manage?
georges st-pierre
I'm not stressed.
I try to take one fight at a time.
And focus on one guy at a time.
I have no choice.
I cannot split myself in half.
And for me, the last two fights were close to each other.
And my second fight, the training camp, it was brutal in a way that I didn't have Mental break.
Now I need to take a little break mentally to come back stronger.
Because I will get tired of what I do.
I will not be as good as I could be, you know?
joe rogan
But you still train?
georges st-pierre
All the time.
But I train for fun.
I don't train for performance, which is different.
Like I explained earlier, I train for myself.
I'm having a good time.
It's fun.
joe rogan
Now, while you're doing this, do you keep up with Jiu-Jitsu at all?
unidentified
Yes.
joe rogan
Or do you just do your boxing?
unidentified
No, no, no.
georges st-pierre
I do Jiu-Jitsu too.
joe rogan
You do everything?
georges st-pierre
Yes, very important.
joe rogan
How many hours a day do you train?
georges st-pierre
I depend.
Like now I'm going to have only maybe one hour and a half.
I'm going to train at Freddy and that's it.
You know, it depends on my schedule.
Normally I train twice a week, twice a day.
Two, three, three hour maybe total.
Like two training of an hour and a half.
The training itself is maybe 40, 45 minutes, 30 minutes.
The training itself.
The talking, the this, the that, the changing, the shouting.
You know, an hour and a half.
joe rogan
Are you still doing gymnastics?
georges st-pierre
Yes, I do.
joe rogan
How often do you do that?
georges st-pierre
Once, twice a week now.
joe rogan
And you think that's like really responsible for a lot of like...
georges st-pierre
I like gymnastics and track and field.
I do track and field.
I run track too.
joe rogan
Like sprints and jumps and things along those lines?
georges st-pierre
60, 100 and 400. And you feel like that's the best kind of exercise for MMA? Yeah, if I would have started all over again, because back in the day, I used to train like an idiot.
I was doing bodybuilder and watching movies like Rocky and all this, and Jean-Claude Van Damme, Arnold.
I thought that was the thing.
Back in the 90s, for my generation, that was the thing.
Back in the day where I'm from, Canada...
A mix of martial art and bodybuilding was the best mix you could be.
You were, like you say, a badass.
Then, after we discovered that bodybuilder is not suited for mixed martial arts, it's better to do like, I was doing more like strength conditioning kind of stuff.
Then I found out after the strength conditioning, it was better, and Olympic lifting, I think it's better than gymnastics.
joe rogan
Do you think it's better for your joints as well?
georges st-pierre
Yes, track and field and gymnastics.
If I would have to go back in time, I would have to tell myself, George, stop all that bodybuilding stuff that you're doing.
It's better to do gymnastics and track and field.
joe rogan
Is that because you're already a fairly physically strong guy and you're pretty strong from wrestling as well?
georges st-pierre
I'm very strong.
When I wrestle, when I grab someone, like in that strength.
But if I lift weight, I'm not very strong.
I bench like what?
Two plates and a half maximum.
I'm not very strong bench press.
People are like, my God, you're not very strong.
I'm not strong at lifting weight.
When I was a kid, I remember I was in school, in secondary school.
And everybody, the thing was to have a big chest.
Every guy wanted to have a big chest.
So I remember for years I used to do bench press, flies, dumbbells.
And man, I never had a chest in my life.
I never had it.
I tried so hard to train for it.
I never had volume here.
And, you know, it's genetic, man.
That's the way it is.
So I said, you know what?
You know, I'm not going to do it, man.
I'm going to do it for Jim.
Like, you know, I give up on it.
unidentified
I have big legs, big butt, big calves.
You know what I mean?
georges st-pierre
I don't have chest, man.
I try to work, but it's one of these things that I give up on it, man.
I give up.
joe rogan
Well, you could always do what Tommy Morrison did, get breast implants.
Did you see that?
georges st-pierre
There's a lot of ways that I can use to have chest.
joe rogan
Have you seen that, the Tommy Morrison breast implants?
georges st-pierre
No, I don't.
joe rogan
Remember Tommy Morrison, the boxer?
georges st-pierre
The guy that had the AIDS? He had the AIDS? Is that him?
joe rogan
Yes.
georges st-pierre
He has a disease, right?
Yes, yes.
Okay, I heard that.
joe rogan
He also got breast implants.
georges st-pierre
Oh, really?
joe rogan
Yeah, pull that up, Brian.
Pull that up.
Tommy Morrison breast implants.
Why am I doing this?
Okay, here's why, folks.
Because if there's a guy out there that's thinking about getting breast implants, and I can talk him out of it, I gotta do my job.
You gotta see this.
Take a look at this fucking picture.
This is Tommy Morrison.
He has...
Pull it up?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Gotta hit the switch.
unidentified
Is this it?
Yes.
joe rogan
Look at that.
Oh, man.
georges st-pierre
Man, that's not good, man.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Oh man, that's not that good, man.
That's hilarious.
unidentified
Wow, that sucks.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Don't do that.
That's what I'm saying, folks.
Anybody, to anybody, please listen to me.
Is there an unauthorized biography of you as well?
georges st-pierre
Yes, there is.
joe rogan
Who the fuck wrote that?
georges st-pierre
I don't know.
It's sad.
You know, my parents are very nice people, you know?
They talk.
They're from countryside.
They're always very respectful to everybody.
And this guy, apparently, he called up my mom and my dad.
My dad is an old ice guy.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
He answered all the questions.
And I told my parents, I was like, stop answering questions that people call like this, man.
Because, you know, they're a little bit naïve.
They don't know this thing.
So I said, stop talking to people you don't know about, like, So some asshole just wrote a book based on that?
Yes, he did.
But it's a bad book.
He only talks about my fights.
He basically describes my fights.
He doesn't say anything personal.
He doesn't know me.
He doesn't know me.
joe rogan
So that's not a real unauthorized biography?
georges st-pierre
No, no, no.
joe rogan
The real one is The Way of the Fight.
It's available on Amazon.
You can go buy it right now.
It's available in bookstores.
unidentified
Kindle.
joe rogan
Yeah, you can get it on a Kindle.
You can get it on audible.com.
Can you get it on audible?
Are you talking it?
No, no, it's me.
georges st-pierre
I started doing it when I had my ACL surgery.
And that's why I started writing down stuff.
But I didn't write all words myself.
It's in English.
I don't write.
But it's made with someone.
joe rogan
So you don't write it in English at all?
You just speak it?
georges st-pierre
Yeah, I write English, but I would not write a book in English because it has been made in English first, then in French.
So his name is Justin Kinsley, who's a friend of mine who wrote it, who wrote the book for me.
But he took stuff that I say in my notes, stuff that I write myself in French.
He speaks both languages, bilingual, so he switched it to the book.
joe rogan
Oh, so you switched it to England.
georges st-pierre
Yeah, it's not a biography.
It's not about an MMA. It's not a book for MMA. It's a book for more general public.
joe rogan
What's it all about?
georges st-pierre
It's about the tactic that I use to start where I come from and to be world champion.
I find myself goals and drills, the repetition, and I keep doing it every day.
joe rogan
So that's what the book is about?
georges st-pierre
Yeah, it's more philosophical stuff.
It's more a philosophical book.
It has nothing to do with MMA. You talk about MMA, but it's people that like it normally.
Because it has not been written by an MMA guy.
The guy who's written, he doesn't know nothing about MMA. Even the MMA people, sometimes they might read it and say, the terms are, because sometimes a little mistake we correct in the future that it would be misunderstood, but it's a book about philosophy and the mindset of someone where I come from and how I became successful, from my experience.
joe rogan
Well, George, you're a bad motherfucker.
You're a cool guy.
It's always great to talk to you.
georges st-pierre
Thank you, George.
joe rogan
I'm glad to be your friend.
And it was one of the coolest things in my life is being able to teach you to throw a turning sidekick.
The fact that you would even listen to me when I tell you that I had a good one.
georges st-pierre
I'm gonna do it in a fight, Wanda, I promise you.
I promise.
I'm not comfortable enough that we're gonna do soon.
joe rogan
Well, let's tighten it up, man.
Let me give you some drills.
georges st-pierre
Let's do it again.
joe rogan
I got some drills for it that can definitely help you out, help you increase accuracy.
We'll do it tomorrow.
We'll train tomorrow.
georges st-pierre
For sure, man.
joe rogan
Love you, buddy.
georges st-pierre
Thank you, man.
joe rogan
Thank you very much, my friend, and best of luck to you in the future.
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