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April 22, 2013 - The Joe Rogan Experience
02:32:51
Joe Rogan Experience #350 - Tony Hinchcliffe
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joe rogan
01:45:14
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tony hinchcliffe
29:15
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brian redban
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justin wren
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joe rogan
Oh, you dirty freaks.
It is Monday, April 22nd.
Two days after 420. And I'm here.
With my man Tony Hinchcliffe, who has never been an individual guest on the podcast before, but we've done podcasts before under the Ice House Chronicles, which, by the way, is available on the Death Squad label on iTunes, as well as the hilarious Kevin Pereira's podcast called Pointless.
Muff said, if you want to hear chicks talk about sucking dicks and stuff.
unidentified
No!
That's video games and comic books.
That's not dicks sucking.
joe rogan
Oh, well, how about we just give them a little false advertising, Brian?
Maybe...
unidentified
Okay.
joe rogan
Maybe get more people.
justin wren
Don't you know what this country runs on, son?
joe rogan
No, Muff said with, what's her face?
unidentified
Ryan Keely.
joe rogan
Ryan Keely.
Very funny and talented, Ryan Keely.
And Brian also does a gang of shows, and he's doing some soon in San Francisco and Sacramento.
At the Punchline in Sacramento.
And with this man, Tony Hinchcliffe, he'll be there as well.
And where did we do, Indianapolis together?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
That was fucking badass.
tony hinchcliffe
It was awesome.
joe rogan
Tony Hinchcliffe's funny as fuck.
unidentified
How is Tony on the road?
It's great.
joe rogan
He cries when you fuck him, but...
But two legendary comedy clubs.
Sam Tripoli as well, our boy Sam Tripoli, who's one of my very good friends in comedy for many, many years.
He's a fucking beautiful human being.
I love that guy.
And very funny as well.
And so they are at Cobbs on Sunday, May 5th and May 3rd and 4th.
They're at the Punchline in Sacramento.
And if you've never been to the Punchline in Sacramento, if you've never been to a comedy club, The Punchline in Sacramento is like one of the perfect comedy clubs to go to because it's been around forever.
This is one of those places like, I don't remember the first time I worked there, but it was well over a decade ago.
It's a badass old school comedy club and some great, great, great comedy has been done on that stage.
Perfectly set up, really intimate seating.
So it's a badass place to see three very funny guys.
So May 3rd and 4th at The Punchline in Sacramento and May 5th at Cobb's in...
In San Francisco.
unidentified
And there might be a surprise guest.
joe rogan
There might not be though, too.
unidentified
There might not be.
joe rogan
Maybe AIDS gets stronger.
Maybe World War Z is for real.
But maybe there's going to be a big guest.
Maybe.
A lot of times you can't say.
Because the reason being, say if you're doing a show like this, we might have a friend that's in town that says, hey, I want to do the show.
But they don't want to advertise because they have a committed gig within X amount of miles, within X amount of months.
And sometimes you're not supposed to say that you're doing a gig.
That's why if you go to...
Some guys used to always have a hard time with the comedy store for putting their name up there.
Because they would have a gig they were doing at a big place they were trying to sell tickets for.
So we'd have an arrangement.
So that's why I can't say.
But it might be someone very funny.
brian redban
It might be somebody that hardly ever leaves L.A. and hardly ever leaves the comedy store.
unidentified
Hmm.
Wow.
tony hinchcliffe
This is exciting.
I want to know who it is.
joe rogan
Okay, I don't even know who the fuck it is.
unidentified
Yeah, you do.
joe rogan
I think I do.
If it is who I think it is, he's awesome.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
At the comedy store, it means 80% awesome.
You know, even the 20% mediocre, it's probably better than what you got in your town anyway.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
So true.
joe rogan
Powerful Ryan Keeley, Muff said.
Alright, you guys, this podcast is brought to you by Ting.
I'm so glad that when we pick up a podcast sponsor, you're always like, oh, what if these guys are douchebags?
That's like a big fear when you take on a sponsor because I'm not a network.
I don't have a channel.
I'm just doing this thing and I'm trying to navigate all this stuff by myself.
My attitude with the whole thing was, I looked at it and I said, the most important thing, first of all, is that I don't feel douchey.
unidentified
Like, whatever we're selling, and everybody's like, then it's too late!
Fucking alpha brain douchey!
joe rogan
I just want to make sure that what we're selling is a good product.
So I get all these emails and tweets, tweets especially sometimes, about Ting, about people saying how much money they're saving on Ting.
One guy, I talked about it a couple of weeks ago, he wrote that he chopped his bill down from 90 bucks to like 18. I don't know how the fuck he did it.
I don't know what he's doing.
That sounded completely outrageous.
unidentified
Well, my bill's been at about $25 a month.
I mean, and I have to say that this is my second phone.
brian redban
This is, you know, my massage parlor phone.
joe rogan
Would you say that you use it 50% as much as your other phone?
unidentified
I'd probably say my other phone I use it 50% more.
Maybe a little bit higher.
joe rogan
Maybe 60?
Maybe 60. So it would probably be the equivalent of $60, something like that?
Would you say that?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Does that make sense?
unidentified
Yeah.
That's still cheaper than right now.
I have the iPhone through AT&T as my main phone.
And that's about $110 a month.
joe rogan
Fucking very pricey.
What Ting does is, first of all, they use the Sprint network.
They don't have their own network.
They use one of the major networks in this country.
One that, you know, it's got 4G, it's excellent, and they also have the highest level, the most technologically advanced Android phones.
All these new fucking killer Android phones, like the Samsung Galaxy S3, And the Samsung Galaxy Note.
They have the Note 2 as well.
They're fucking incredible, these things.
justin wren
It used to be like you really lost something if you didn't get an iPhone.
joe rogan
Like you really...
If you try to get one of those early Androids, they were dog shit.
unidentified
I had the first one with the Droids.
joe rogan
They're so stupid.
Those things are horrible.
That and those BlackBerry touchscreens they used to have.
I used to have one of those.
The BlackBerry Storm.
Yeah.
Fucking storm of shit that was.
That was diarrhea on your head.
That stupid shitbag phone.
But these Samsung...
I have the Galaxy S3. It's fucking awesome.
It's great.
It's the coolest thing ever for looking at websites.
It's huge.
And it's very fast as well.
The processor in it.
It's not only clunky.
Like the droids of old.
So anyway, the way Ting has it set up is they have no contracts.
So you buy a device, set it up.
Ting, you can go fuck yourself.
You can just cancel.
Not only that, they credit you on unused service.
If you use only a certain amount of your bill, they actually knock you down to the next level on your next bill.
And they credit you the difference.
It's beautiful.
Everything you could ask for from a big company.
Like, a company that's, I mean, they're not one of the bigger cell phone companies.
I mean, how many cell phone companies are there, actually?
It's really tough to think about it.
unidentified
Well, there's like the big five or whatever, you know, like T-Mobile, Verizon, AT&T. It's like, we generally thought of it like this.
joe rogan
It's like Verizon, powerful.
AT&T, powerful.
T-Mobile, you're on a budget.
unidentified
Yeah.
brian redban
Nowadays, though, it's crazy because T-Mobile's, you know, their new towers are pretty advanced and they don't have the fucking, you know, bandwidth hogs that, you know, AT&T and Verizon, their bandwidth, I mean, so many people are on their network.
When something goes down, half the people have Verizon or AT&T. They're not going to have cell phone service, but then you have T-Mobile guys that are like, oh, I'm fine.
joe rogan
That's a very good point.
Sprint is a big one.
Joey Diaz has had Sprint forever.
He loves it.
I've never had it other than this, but I've got no problems with it.
The whole idea behind Ting is that they're just going to offer you a service that's reasonable.
You don't have to get fucked over.
It doesn't have to be.
This idea that we all think that every company should try to squeeze every last dollar out of every last customer.
I think that shit's stupid.
And I think most people are realizing that as well.
So go to rogan.ting.com and you can save yourself $25 off of either a phone or service from a very cool company.
We're also brought to you by Squarespace.
So you have to ask yourself.
Do you want to make a website?
Bitch.
That's my question to you.
Bitch, do you want to make a website?
And if you do, let's get real.
You ain't going to learn no HTML. Okay?
You're not going to.
It's just not going to happen.
Okay?
Let's be honest about another thing.
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It's so easy that you can set up a store just like that.
Brian did it.
While we were doing the commercial, Brian registered a fucking thing on Squarespace.
Started...
What was it called?
unidentified
No, that was a different website.
That was Hover...
joe rogan
You did it for Squarespace, too.
brian redban
No, I made a website, but you're thinking of I bought Dick Party in my mouth.
joe rogan
Oh, you bought Dick Party in my mouth.
Dot com.
But didn't you build a website with Squarespace?
unidentified
Yeah, I did a dolphin website.
Sex Dolphin website.
I'm trying to do one right now.
joe rogan
Look, Brian is much more technically advanced or aware than I'll ever be.
He can throw one of these fucking things together very quickly.
And he did it through Squarespace while we're just all still doing a show as well.
It's super easy.
If you go to squarespace.com forward slash Joe...
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Save yourself some shekels, son.
On your fat, juicy website.
It's...
Definitely, I can create a website on this in a way that I never could in real life, because I am just way too ADD for that shit.
I am not going to learn how to do that.
tony hinchcliffe
I have one where I'm trying to keep up with, but this looks even better.
joe rogan
It's dope.
unidentified
It's pretty easy.
joe rogan
Super easy.
Yeah.
It's good.
Go.
Get it.
Suck it.
unidentified
Delicious.
joe rogan
We're also brought to you by Audible.com.
I was actually listening to...
Dude, you know who I got hooked on, man?
I'm hooked on...
unidentified
Onyx.
joe rogan
No.
How dare you?
I read super awesome.
Dan Carlin's Hardcore History.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Dude!
Goddamn.
Ever since we had that guy on the show, we had him on the podcast.
Guy was great to talk to.
Fascinating guy.
Really, really interesting, intelligent guy.
But when it comes to history, he's been putting together, like forever, he's been putting together these history podcasts And they're like a show.
It's not like a podcast, like this sloppy, unorganized mess that I try to fucking serve up to you fucks.
Dan Carlin puts on a goddamn show, and he puts it on in this really entertaining way and gives you this thorough history of all these events, but really exciting stuff.
What are you doing?
You chatting with Kira?
Hi Kira, I'm single.
Hey dude, how dare you?
unidentified
How dare you even give people the idea to do that?
No!
joe rogan
Kira's gonna be super upset with you and probably sue this show.
What if Kira's like some super hardcore feminist and she's like, enough Joe Rogan!
Enough!
unidentified
What if she's in India fingering herself?
joe rogan
Oh, easy!
unidentified
Over here with the fingers!
joe rogan
I'm on Hardcore History.
I'm on The Mongols now.
He's got this...
I don't know how many parts it is.
I'm on Part 3. And it's fucking amazing.
It's so great.
And it's available on Audible.com.
He's got all the back episodes.
I mean, he's been doing it since...
I think he said 2005. So, you know, this guy's got a solid eight years of podcasts under him.
It's crazy.
And they're awesome.
I listened to one on Germany and World War II, the bombings of Europe.
He's so fucking cool to listen to.
It's really badass.
If you go to audible.com forward slash Joe, you can try Audible free for 30 days and get a free audio book.
Not just that, they also have stand-up comedy on there.
They have a huge selection of audio entertainment.
Not just books, but podcasts like Hardcore History and And so many other really interesting things to listen to, including our pals Opie and Anthony.
You can get that on Audible as well.
It's a cool service, and I've been a fan for years, and I'm a huge fan of audiobooks.
This hardcore history has been making my life, like, so much more interesting in the last couple days.
Like, when I get in my car, I'm not, like, thinking, oh, you know, I'm gonna get in my car and drive.
I'm probably getting stuck in traffic.
I'm gonna go, oh, let's hear more about the Mongols.
That's what I'm thinking.
It's just, Genghis Khan was a motherfucker!
tony hinchcliffe
Yep.
joe rogan
Dude, Genghis Khan killed almost 70 million people by some accounts.
Some accounts say more than that.
Some accounts say as little as 10 million.
Like, he definitely killed 10 million.
Goddamn!
tony hinchcliffe
That's unbelievable.
That's the best.
joe rogan
They're talking about armies that were coming towards China, where the Mongols had been, and in the distance they thought they saw snow-covered mountains, but when they got close they realized they were mounds of bones.
The Mongols had killed 10 million people in this one town.
They came to this gigantic state and just killed 10 million people.
It was amazing.
I mean, horrific, terrifying, just the idea that at one point in time, just in the 1200s, relatively short amount of time ago, there was a guy who brought a bunch of other dudes with him on horseback and just fucked up the whole world.
Banded together, took hostages, took the hostages, pushed them to the front lines so the hostages would literally lead the way and people would be defending their towns, having to shoot arrows at their own friends who had been kidnapped, their own loved ones, their own children.
The Mongols were fucking terrifying!
It's terrifying to think that just a thousand years ago, not even, there was a dude who figured out a way to get hundreds of thousands of mass murderers to work together.
Hundreds of thousands of serial killers, hundreds of thousands of brutal rapists, hundreds of thousands of ruthless, remorseless murderers, and they got together on horseback.
tony hinchcliffe
That takes one convincing leader.
joe rogan
Goddamn Genghis Khan must have been a motherfucker, because there was nobody like that before and nobody like that since.
His sons tried to hang on to it for a little while, but...
The reign of power all really came through that one bad motherfucker.
They had a crazy saying that an armies of donkey led by a lion could conquer an army of lions led by a donkey.
They were all about tactics and they would beat much larger armies with superior strategy and cunning and just ruthlessness.
Just everybody was terrified of them.
They killed everybody, man.
Men, women, children, babies.
They didn't give a fuck.
They killed everybody.
They ate people.
They ate each other if they got too hungry.
They would draw straws, maybe, or figure out how they would figure out, you know, if someone was going to sacrifice themselves so that the army could go on and they would slaughter them and eat them and cook them.
unidentified
Dude!
tony hinchcliffe
It's unbelievable.
joe rogan
That was only a thousand years ago!
What the fuck, man?
tony hinchcliffe
You think anybody will ever pull that off again?
That kind of craziness?
joe rogan
That's terrifying to wonder.
I think if you had to worry about anything, it would be worry about all this beautiful city shit shutting down.
That's the real fear.
The real fear is we have some massive disaster like a solar flare.
That knocks out our power grid.
And our ability to pump gas is gone.
Our ability to drive back and forth to places is gone.
Our ability to get food to people is gone.
And then you realize how nutty we are spread out and how dangerous this is and how vulnerable we are living like this.
I think it would take something like that to bring people to some place where you could get that many psychopaths all together again.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah, I think now that we have the internet, if the internet went down, I think shit would get crazy really quick.
Because everybody needs it and is used to it now.
Everything down to, you know, the GPS and just everything.
joe rogan
Yeah, we're terrified.
I'm terrified of leaving the house without my fucking cell phone.
tony hinchcliffe
Right.
joe rogan
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I'm a little bitch to the machine.
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unidentified
There we go.
joe rogan
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justin wren
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joe rogan
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unidentified
How long until you have like a health helmet?
joe rogan
If it comes out, dude, we'll sell it.
If there's a health helmet that comes out that puts you in a healthy state of mind...
What if there was a helmet that came on that immediately felt like someone was sucking your dick?
How quick before they would make that illegal?
Like immediately.
Like they found a spot on your brain where they can jolt with electricity and it totally feels like someone's sucking your dick.
unidentified
A helmet that helps your helmet.
joe rogan
A helmet for your helmet.
Exactly.
Do you think women would make that illegal?
Or would it be men that make it illegal?
unidentified
They'd bitch about it a lot.
joe rogan
Men would make it illegal because they'd never get real blowjobs ever again.
Girls would be like, but just put the fucking helmet on.
God, why do you want me to do this?
tony hinchcliffe
It'd be a tough situation for women if the helmet worked that well.
joe rogan
Do you think they would lose a little bit of their value?
Is that what you're saying?
tony hinchcliffe
Oh, yeah.
I think guys would be walking around with these helmets on all the time.
Just be a normal thing.
joe rogan
How much time do you think it is before something like that is invented?
Something that can recreate an artificial experience, like almost exactly.
tony hinchcliffe
I'll bet you 15, 20 years.
I bet it's not that far away.
joe rogan
I bet you're right.
tony hinchcliffe
The way things are moving and shaking.
There's probably a bigger team of scientists on that right now than there is on cancer research.
joe rogan
I bet you're right.
tony hinchcliffe
Everybody's building the helmet.
joe rogan
Everybody wants to get their dick sucked, folks.
Nothing wrong with that.
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Cue the music, Brian.
Let's get this bitch started.
Boom, son.
unidentified
The Joe Rogan Experience.
Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day.
Powerful Tony Hinchcliffe.
I love...
tony hinchcliffe
That's me.
joe rogan
That's the song.
That's the powerful Tony Hinchcliffe song.
I sing it like that.
I sing like a woman.
And then you go, that's me, like a little kid.
unidentified
That's me.
tony hinchcliffe
Hey, everybody.
joe rogan
Somebody needs to put that on a loop when you have your own podcast.
When are you guys going to do a podcast together?
Why don't you guys...
unidentified
We already are in the works.
Oh, looky, looky.
Two weeks, I think we said.
tony hinchcliffe
It's in pre-production.
unidentified
Yep.
joe rogan
Niceness, niceness.
And Tony's going to be with me this Wednesday night at the Ice House.
You want to do the Ice House Wednesday night?
unidentified
Sure.
joe rogan
10 o'clock?
Okay, Ron's going to be there too.
As well as Tom Segura and Burt Kreischer.
Oh, shit, bitches.
That's right.
You heard.
unidentified
Sweet.
joe rogan
That's right.
Tony is an up-and-coming young stand-up.
One of my favorite things in life, for real, this really is absolutely true, is when I don't know about someone and then I find out that they're funny.
I found out about you from Brian.
Brian told me about you.
And as a comedian, one of the things that every comedian always loves It's seeing a new comedian.
Like, someone new who's funny.
Like, there's another one!
Like, ooh, there's another one!
You know, and different styles and different takes.
But when they're funny, like, it's really, it gives you a lot of hope.
And I was in L.A. the entire time.
Like, you started comedy.
And then started getting a name for yourself and then eventually got to the point where you're regularly doing podcasts and comedy clubs.
So that's a really cool thing to see.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah, it's really so much fun.
Pretty incredible.
joe rogan
So few people pull it off.
I love watching somebody who comes through, like some new person who's funny.
tony hinchcliffe
Me too.
It's just the coolest thing.
And like you said, everybody's a little bit different.
Everybody has their take on things.
When you find one, there's nothing cooler.
It's sort of like when you love comedy, it's like watching a baby being born.
Just like that.
Wow.
This person's hilarious.
joe rogan
And when you run into someone and you realize that They started out sucky, and you probably saw them during those first couple of months.
And then, within a couple of years, they become competent, and then, boom, they become really good.
Like, Ari is my favorite example.
I was there when Ari first got on stage.
One of his first sets, one of his earliest sets.
And, you know, we've watched him become like a real killer.
Like, Ari Shafir is like a real killer.
He did Tom Segura's party the other day.
Tom Segura had a benefit, rather, for his doggie.
He's got a sick doggie.
If you love dogs and you love Tom Segura, I don't know how you would donate.
I think they have like a PayPal thing or something, don't they?
unidentified
Yeah, just go to yourmomshousepodcast.com.
joe rogan
Yourmomshousepodcast.com.
Tom Segura is just one of the coolest guys ever.
And he had this show, and Ari went up and fucking destroyed.
Destroyed.
With a bunch of shit that I hadn't heard before, too.
There was a couple bits that were really funny that were new.
tony hinchcliffe
He writes like a machine now.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's awesome.
tony hinchcliffe
He's just coming up with so much content.
joe rogan
Yeah, and I think he also realizes at this time that he's like in.
He's like a real comic now.
Now it's just a matter of doing the work, and he's a smart dude.
He knows how to put it down.
He knows what needs to be done, and he can go get it done.
It's just, as a fan of comedy, it's so cool when someone pops up.
Here's another one.
tony hinchcliffe
I got really lucky with Ari because he was the first person to ask me to do a gig with him, him and Sam Tripoli.
So it was those two guys all of a sudden all at once.
I went to La Jolla with Sam first and then did a gig in Irvine with Ari.
joe rogan
What year was this?
tony hinchcliffe
This is about 2008. Wow, that's so recently, dude.
joe rogan
That's awesome.
Five years.
You don't think of it as being recently.
tony hinchcliffe
There was like a year or so that I was doing it before you even get a road gig like that.
You're just building it.
I was just riding my bicycle from open mic to open mic.
joe rogan
How many guys that started out with you, you know, we all have kind of like groups of people that we sort of start off around a similar time and then you watch each other either fall off or give up or some people get through the net.
How many people with your class do you think got through?
tony hinchcliffe
With my true class, I'd probably say about a good...
It's a tough one because we're still pooling, you know what I mean?
You still don't know who can make like a bit, throw a right hook right at the end before they drop out and have a new 15 minutes that crushes and it's a breakthrough.
But I'd probably guess about 7 or 10, right around there.
That's a good number.
joe rogan
Still doing it?
tony hinchcliffe
I mean, you know, I'm counting my original starting class as like a good...
You know, 60, 70, 80, 90 people because I know the...
I mean, I stayed in Hollywood and built in Hollywood, like Los Angeles.
Whereas I feel like a lot of people start somewhere and then come to LA. I'm like, you know what, I'm gonna...
I wanted to just have a...
Like an NBA-style perspective.
Like Chappelle once said, he was doing a spot on stage one night in the OR, really late, crushing, making it look like, I mean, it was just unbelievable.
And three or four hours in, he goes to the back of the room, he goes, hey, how many of you guys are LA Comics?
And a lot of people clap, and he goes, but how many of you are, like, work here at the Comedy Store and started here at the Comedy Store?
There was just two or three of us that collabed, and he goes, you guys are insane.
He was performing to a lot of comedians.
The thing with him coming back a few years ago was the audience that got to be there was there, but the back of the room filled up to the gills.
And he said that it's like learning how to dribble in the NBA, starting comedy at the Comedy Store.
And it's so true.
But if you think about that, start learning how to dribble in the NBA and you're just used to the motion of a thousand miles an hour, then...
It works out.
joe rogan
I think it's like anything else.
You know, it's a more difficult but also more rewarding pursuit.
You know, you can take an easy route through life or you can, you know, I mean, it's not as hard as being a Navy SEAL, let's be honest.
You know, even though doing comedy is hard and a lot of people don't ever figure it out, it's not nearly as hard as doing something you hate and being stuck working 40 hours a week at this job for the rest of your life until your heart stops beating because you have no passion.
tony hinchcliffe
Right.
And I mean, it was a real struggle for a few years.
I really threw myself to the wolves.
I didn't have money saved up.
I was just doing it.
And then I got the job working at the Comedy Store a couple months in as a door guy, so I started getting spots a lot there, which is what I wanted.
joe rogan
You know what the problem with a story like yours is?
That it worked.
So there's a lot of other dudes out there that are willing to try that same thing, but they're not fucking funny at all.
tony hinchcliffe
Right, you know what's tough is I notice that a lot.
A lot of people come up to me and say, I'm thinking about starting stand-up, Tony.
You know, what do you think?
And sometimes they don't...
They just...
Sometimes I wonder, out of all the times I get asked this from somebody that wants to start stand-up, it's like, you have to really have a crazy mind ingrained in you.
It's not something you start and learn.
Like, I... I was in trouble every class in school.
Not once a day at school.
Like, every class, every teacher hated me.
I never touched it.
I was never, like, spilled milk on somebody.
I never did anything physical.
But verbally, I was just—it's what I did.
It was pretty crazy.
joe rogan
So you just always talked a lot of shit?
unidentified
Totally.
tony hinchcliffe
To the extreme all the time.
That's like kid energy.
You know what I'm talking about?
That's not even now.
Even though I'm still young, I'm not half of the quick wit that I used to be before I realized.
Now I overthink it.
joe rogan
Was it a defense thing?
You learned it from your parents?
I learned it from you, Dad.
tony hinchcliffe
It's really an interesting situation.
The way I was raised was so weird.
I know it has something to do with that, because I have these four older brothers and sisters that are much older than me.
So it's like, I mean, it's 12 years between me and my closest sibling, and they're all much older.
joe rogan
Oh, wow, yeah.
So you're probably exposed to, like, they probably gave you a hard time.
They probably fucked with you.
tony hinchcliffe
They were actually all super cool.
They were actually super cool.
Sometimes I wonder how it didn't end up like that.
I mean, there were times, you know, there was the old, you know, you were adopted.
Why do you think you're...
joe rogan
Well, you know what?
When they're 12 years apart, I don't think you're actually going to get that because they're going to be sweet to you.
They're going to be, like, happy for their little brother and sister.
It's when you're two years apart.
You know?
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
I've known a lot of brothers that beat the fuck out of each other.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
I've seen it happen.
tony hinchcliffe
Luckily with the age gap, like they were in college when I was, you know, in kindergarten and stuff.
What was interesting about that is I definitely think it played a role because I was hanging out with 20 year olds when I was a little kid.
joe rogan
And they probably thought it was really funny when you talked shit too.
tony hinchcliffe
Totally.
That was the whole thing.
That's what I would do.
I would talk shit and I would put on So you started off trying to be good.
Yeah.
Right, but then I just got good at being bad at magic.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's a funny thing when you see someone who grew up in a weird spot.
I think all of us, like every comic I know, grew up in some sort of a weird situation where some basic need wasn't fulfilled, so it creates this weird personality.
tony hinchcliffe
Totally.
joe rogan
Even though I love comics...
When it doesn't create that weird personality, it just creates fucked up people.
If you don't put it to use creating something, that weird energy that comes out of a weird life, that shit will haunt you.
That can wreck your life if you're one of those really creative people or more impulsive people and doesn't do anything about it, doesn't focus it on something.
tony hinchcliffe
And that's an interesting point because with me, I didn't have any creative outlet until...
Like after high school, because the theater woman always wanted me to join theater.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tony hinchcliffe
But I never did.
And I mean, the only outlet other than doing it in front of people all the time and just, you know, being me, I had nothing.
So then I spent a few years like, what am I? Because you don't know that...
If you're just a kid that loves making people laugh, that you can be a stand-up comedian.
When you're in Ohio, there's no...
People in LA are really lucky, or in New York, or around those areas, because there's comedy there.
At least you can stumble across a comedy club and go, hey, I wonder what's going on there?
I might go in there tonight, just one time.
First time I was ever at a comedy club was at the comedy store, and I had signed up for the open mic and gotten on.
So it was very grandiose.
It was like my heart was beating out of my chest.
I knew that it was something I was going to be doing forever no matter what happened.
joe rogan
You knew it?
You knew that it was something?
Wow.
I definitely didn't know it the first time I went on stage.
I was scared shitless too, though.
Way more scared than I thought I was going to be.
tony hinchcliffe
Oh, it was unbelievable.
It was so creepy because what ended up happening was I blanked out and forgot everything.
That was the one time that I had a couple months to prepare for three minutes.
joe rogan
Did you bring notes on stage with you?
tony hinchcliffe
No, I've never liked having notes on stage with me.
joe rogan
That was a big thing, man.
Getting rid of your notes.
That was a big thing back in the day.
You going on stage with notes still?
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because in the beginning, I definitely went on stage with notes when I first started doing it.
But I saw really good guys go on stage with notes when they were working on new shit.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
It became part of the act.
They would let you know they were trying stuff out by looking down at the paper and stuff.
But you tried to do the first one free ball?
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
It went really bad.
And I somehow was just digging myself out by calling out how terrible it was.
I was basically saying, wow, I just blanked out.
And I've been getting ready for this for so long.
And so I just ended up doing what actually ended up sort of becoming my style, which is like calling out Whatever's happening in the room, except I was just joking about me bombing.
joe rogan
You kind of have to call out what's happening in the room, right?
tony hinchcliffe
Oh yeah.
joe rogan
And that's another good thing, rather, that the Comedy Store provides.
No crowd control.
tony hinchcliffe
Right.
joe rogan
None.
That place is...
Madness.
Any night could be madness.
tony hinchcliffe
Anything can happen at the Comedy Store.
For example, when we did that show in Indianapolis, and I came out, and I'm looking at the masses of people, but the first thing that I noticed to my left is this lady lit up next to the stage that's doing sign language to the audience, and I just couldn't help but to start It started just with, I've never performed in front of one of these people before.
I've always wondered what that would be like.
And then I'm noticing that she has to keep up with everything that I'm saying.
I went off on this whole run about it.
It was just so much fun for me.
And I could trust my instinct and just keep going with it.
I wouldn't have known to do that if I was just trying to just put on an act.
joe rogan
Right, right, right.
tony hinchcliffe
Which is also great, but I got to go off on a run there and I could trust that instinct.
By the end, I have her doing blowjob motions to her face because I realized that if I said the word blowjob, she has to do that.
Like a jerk-off on her face.
joe rogan
The jerk-off on the face, that's the sign language for that?
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
This is blowjob.
Or at least that's what she was doing.
Actually, it was a he because they switched halfway through.
It was a whole thing.
joe rogan
They switched?
The chick was like, enough with Tony Hinchcliffe.
tony hinchcliffe
I think so.
joe rogan
You think so?
Did she quit?
tony hinchcliffe
I don't know what happened.
joe rogan
How did she have a backup so close?
Maybe they get tired.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah, I guess so.
joe rogan
Maybe you need really good hand cardio.
tony hinchcliffe
But it ended up being crazy.
I had a ton of tweets.
Indianapolis was so much fun and everybody was hashtagging sign language because I couldn't even believe what was going on.
joe rogan
Yeah, I did that once in San Francisco.
A guy brought his own Remember that?
unidentified
Yeah, and they sat right in the front row.
joe rogan
Yeah, a guy brought his own sign person.
I was like, wow, that's pretty gangster.
Guy was deaf and he wanted to go see some comedy.
He's like, hey, tell me what they're saying.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
He was a really nice guy.
That was a fun show.
I forget what he did because it was obviously a timing thing because he didn't talk.
But it was really funny.
It was really funny.
Like, you could tell the guy, like, really enjoyed stand-up comedy.
And even though he was deaf, he still understood, like, what, you know, he understood jokes.
It's gotta be weird, because he's only getting it, like, two-dimensionally.
If you don't hear it, man, you're missing so much.
There's a lot of guys, like Joey Diaz is a perfect example.
Half of what's funny is how he sounds like.
The way he sounds is the fucking intensity in his voice.
It's like when he hits those things, when he starts screaming about something, like...
He was screaming about, it's blue cheese with buffalo wings or go fuck your mother.
It was just fucking ranch dressing.
He went on this rant about ranch dressing.
And on paper, it's like, there's nothing funny about that at all.
But if you hear him, if you hear Joey and you see him do it, it was one of the funniest fucking things I've ever seen in my life.
tony hinchcliffe
You can hear the passion that comes from deep...
joe rogan
But I mean, maybe this guy had like a deep sense of his own timing.
You know, he can interpret it in the funniest way.
Because he was obviously a fan of stand-up comedy enough to hire his own sign language person.
I've been at a college show once where they made them have sign language.
It was like part of the rules.
Like if someone spoke, they had to have someone there.
I always wondered, how complicated is that sign language?
I mean, it seems like...
tony hinchcliffe
It seemed really...
I was watching some parts of it, because at one point when you were on, I walked around and sort of was watching from this side ledge area, and I noticed that when you said the word at one point, black cock, this guy had to do this thing, where it was this giant, like...
joe rogan
Right.
Well, that's the strap-on bit, right?
tony hinchcliffe
Well, it was when you were taking questions at the end, it was like you were talking about Dennis Rodman's Cock or something.
It was very improvised.
joe rogan
Oh, the King John Il thing.
tony hinchcliffe
But I was noticing this guy has to do this thing.
Black Cock in sign language is so stereotypical.
It's just giant and his hands were so far apart.
He was describing a tree stump or something like that.
I'm like, that's Black Cock in sign language?
joe rogan
Isn't that hilarious?
That's what they would come up with.
That's the move.
Yeah, so blowjob is this?
I don't know why it's down.
Why does it go down?
That seems awkward.
unidentified
Because you're always on your knees.
joe rogan
But that's an awkward angle.
How tall is this dude you blowing?
tony hinchcliffe
Oh, that is why it would be up.
I see.
joe rogan
You blowing a giant?
tony hinchcliffe
What's going on?
unidentified
A child made sign language.
joe rogan
You know, if so, get on a chair.
That's a ridiculous angle to have that, your standard angle for sucking dick.
That doesn't make any sense at all.
unidentified
Don't knock into your thigh.
I love that.
tony hinchcliffe
You can't say that a second time though, Brian.
joe rogan
You almost killed someone the first time by saying it.
unidentified
It still makes me laugh just thinking about it.
joe rogan
It was brilliant.
At the time, it was absolutely brilliant.
It was the perfect time.
tony hinchcliffe
If at first you don't succeed, thigh, thigh again.
unidentified
Oh, man.
joe rogan
Two of you guys get a room.
Get a room, you fucks.
unidentified
Yeah, we're going to have to share a room when we're in San Francisco and Sacramento.
I haven't shared a room since I was...
joe rogan
Why are you sharing rooms?
unidentified
Because...
joe rogan
Listen, get your own rooms, you fucking weirdos, you grown men.
Stop pretending like you're in high school, okay?
unidentified
We're going to get up to our dog, we're going to go fishing, we're going to get a hotel room together.
joe rogan
Shut the fuck up, dude.
Get your own room, goddammit.
What is it, $30 a night, you cheap fuck?
unidentified
$30 a night?
What the fuck?
joe rogan
Have you seen the commercials?
We'll keep the light on for you.
tony hinchcliffe
$30 a night.
joe rogan
30 bucks.
unidentified
Joe, we were talking about it on a recent podcast.
I think you were there, Tony.
I think it was Ari was saying it.
He was talking about how funny it was going to the grocery store with you.
brian redban
Because you'd be like, how much is macaroni or pasta sauce?
unidentified
$20?
tony hinchcliffe
What is toothpaste?
$2?
unidentified
Something like that.
joe rogan
I don't know what anything costs.
I haven't forever.
Eddie Bravo always makes fun of it and says that I would be the worst person ever on the prices, right?
Yeah.
Because I literally don't know what anything costs.
unidentified
It's so funny.
joe rogan
Hey, there's only room enough in my fucking head for so much shit.
unidentified
Oh, I get you.
joe rogan
There's no room for that.
I just got no room for...
As long as people aren't riding the streets over the price of toothpaste, if they are, then I'll start paying attention.
It's like, I got shit to do.
I can't be worrying about what shit costs.
As long as it's fairly reasonable.
But I have friends that are wealthy, and you'll hear them go, a steak for $39?
You're telling me that this steak costs $39?
Why is this steak $39?
What are you doing?
unidentified
What are you doing?
joe rogan
It's a number.
What does it even mean?
What the fuck is it even based on?
Just shut your mouth.
You're not broke.
Spend the $39, you cheap fuck, you whining asshole, you yammering fucking perspective lapping douchebag.
unidentified
Get it together, you fuck.
joe rogan
It's not even a real person.
unidentified
I went to that Morton's Steakhouse place.
joe rogan
It's a wonderful place.
unidentified
Yeah, I love it.
brian redban
It was the only place near me that had crab legs.
unidentified
Since Vegas, I've been thinking about those crab legs from Vegas.
joe rogan
From Nine?
unidentified
Yeah, from Nine, which is the most amazing place ever.
I went there to get them, and a half pound was $65.
I was like, That's a lot.
That's a lot.
You get it and it's like four legs is what it was.
joe rogan
But did you watch that show where the dudes die and they get on those fucking crab boats?
unidentified
No, I didn't.
joe rogan
That's why it's so much.
It's because it's really hard to get.
That's where world deadliest catch?
unidentified
Well, this is what I was getting at.
Then two days later, I was thinking like, I wanted more.
I wanted to eat a shitload of them.
You know what I mean?
So then I went to Olive Garden and they had to wait.
So I went to the place next door instead, which is like Outback Steakhouse.
And they had them there.
And they had a pound for $40.
And then you can add another half pound for $15.
So I got a pound and a half for the same price.
And it tasted pretty much exactly the same.
Really?
You could tell that it came out when you pulled it out.
brian redban
It was a little harder, I guess.
Not as buttery and mushy as the other place, but still tastes exactly the same.
joe rogan
So you think they just overcooked it, maybe?
unidentified
I think they were frozen, obviously.
Oh, okay.
You could probably tell the difference.
joe rogan
Well, I think they're all frozen, quite honestly.
unidentified
Really?
joe rogan
Because they're coming from Alaska.
unidentified
Well, I was thinking that's why I went to Morton's, though, because I was like, oh, that place probably gets it.
joe rogan
Well, they just know how to fucking do everything right.
There's certain places like, you know, Morton's.
There's that other one, Fleming's.
You ever eat at Fleming's?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
There's a whole chain of those things.
They just know what the fuck they're doing.
tony hinchcliffe
You know, I used to actually work at Ruth's Chris Steakhouse.
joe rogan
Wait a minute.
Hold on a second.
I know what you said, but I thought I sexually worked at Ruth's Chris Steakhouse.
That's what I heard you say.
tony hinchcliffe
That too.
joe rogan
I was like, wait, what the fuck did he say?
tony hinchcliffe
And that place is nuts.
joe rogan
And then I realized it was a slurring or a...
I used to actually.
I sexually.
tony hinchcliffe
Oh, I see.
I used to actually.
joe rogan
That's it.
If you ever heard someone speak in another language and they're just...
If you don't know what they're saying, you could never discern that there's more than one word going on there.
You don't know when one stops and another one ends.
That was a classic example.
What is that?
That's not a word.
It's like a Jeff Dunham bit or something.
No, not Jeff Dunham.
What's his name?
It might be a redneck guy.
Foxworthy.
Jeff Foxworthy.
Doesn't he have a, like, he had, like, things he would write down, like, D-G-E-A-T-D-G! Like, there was, like, you know, there was, like, a redneck vocabulary.
Have you ever seen that show Swamp People where they're just alligator hunting?
tony hinchcliffe
Uh-uh.
joe rogan
Holy fuck, man.
I don't think I'm going to buy alligator shit anymore.
I don't like alligators, so I buy alligator skin things.
When I was a little kid, an alligator ate this lady's dog.
And I'll never forget that I lived there.
I lived in Gainesville, Florida.
And there was a place called Lake Alice.
And there's alligators there.
You'd see them all the time.
And I didn't think nothing of it because nobody was scared until one of them ate this lady's dog.
unidentified
And I was like, oh, you motherfucker.
joe rogan
But when you watch these people on these shows, these alligator hunting shows, first of all, you realize how many fucking alligators there are.
Because they're killing a shitload of them.
You know, they have like a tag that they can fill.
I don't remember what the guy was saying, but it was like, I think it was like 500 or something.
Let's find out alligator tag limits in Florida.
unidentified
We didn't talk how was being in Texas during all that fucking bomb shit and fertilizer things.
joe rogan
Crazy.
Crazy.
We missed the fertilizer thing because I was only there for one day.
But the bomb shit, all of it is just...
The whole thing is...
When something like that happens, it's so fucking scary.
unidentified
You know Katie?
Waitress Katie from the Comedy Store?
joe rogan
Yeah.
unidentified
Her cousins, like look at this photo right here.
Here's the terrorist guy right here in the hat.
This is him dropping off the bomb.
joe rogan
Yeah.
unidentified
Because this is the restaurant and he's walking the opposite way so that he must just dropped it off right there.
joe rogan
Right.
unidentified
Here's supposedly the kid that died.
joe rogan
Oh God.
brian redban
Here's her cousins all right over here and they all lost their limbs.
joe rogan
Oh God.
unidentified
And so they're gonna have like a benefit show soon.
That's just a crazy picture, though, because it has it all together.
joe rogan
What the fuck, man?
No one knows any motive yet.
Where we're at now in the news, it's all purely speculation because the brother's dead, and the youngest brother, he got shot in the throat.
Apparently the only way he's communicating is writing things down.
How is something I just don't understand?
And of course, there's a million people online that are shouting out false flag, false flag, the government's trying to take our weapons away and tighten down security and that's why this is happening.
unidentified
Did you read the kid's Twitter?
I stayed up all night and read that shit.
joe rogan
His Twitter was spooky.
tony hinchcliffe
I didn't see it.
joe rogan
Yeah, his Twitter was really spooky.
It was weird.
brian redban
It seemed normal, but then he would throw in little things like fuck the police or something like Mohammed something type shit.
joe rogan
Well, I think if you're going to paraphrase a guy who's a fucking murderer, the least you could do is go to his Twitter page, you lazy fuck, and actually read the nutty tweets that the guy said.
unidentified
Hey, I'm the most stress-free guy.
joe rogan
That's what he said.
That was one of his tweets.
unidentified
That's why he said that.
joe rogan
He goes, I'm mostly kind of a stress-free guy.
This is after he had blown people up.
Allegedly, of course.
This is the kid that survived.
The one that's dead, there's all these disputes about what happened to him.
Some people are saying the cops ran over him.
He's saying his brother ran over him.
The whole thing sounds like, and people are crying out conspiracy, but one thing you have to realize about information whenever there's a tragedy or whenever there's anything that's like really scary like this, you know, there's a terrorist bombing, is people panic.
And you get a whole bunch of different versions of the truth.
And it's not a conspiracy a lot of times, it's just no one knows what the fuck is going on, everybody's terrified, and stories spread very quickly.
Like, they thought at one point in time that one of the suspects was a missing university student from Brown.
And he was, I believe he was an Indian young man, and his family had been looking for him for like a month, and they distributed this video, and people were saying this is one of the suspects, that this is what happened, that he'd become like a jihadist and left.
But that wasn't true at all.
By the morning, we found out it was a totally different person.
So this isn't like a conspiracy to hide that information.
And I think that's really important when people are looking at events like this.
Wait till the dust settles.
Don't just start fucking...
Calling out conspiracy and calling out red flags and false flags, saying that it's some nefarious thing going on.
Whatever it is, it's horrific.
But jumping on the...
Immediate conspiracy bandwagon.
It's like, man, that is one of the worst things for the cause of questioning things.
And if you ever wanted to be a good disinformation agent, what you do is the moment that anything happens, start yelling and screaming that it's a conspiracy and expose every single aspect of it.
That you feel is corrupt.
That would be the best way for the government to protect themselves from any thoughts of being labeled, you know, as being a part of a conspiracy because there's so many nutty people that do that with every single event that it's like they've cried wolf, you know?
unidentified
Yeah.
brian redban
I was so nervous with Greg Fitzsimmons that night because he was actually down there doing shows and I text him and he said that and the shows were cancelled and he was just in his bed.
unidentified
Watching movies.
joe rogan
The show's gotta cancel.
unidentified
That one night, I don't know if it was, was it Friday night?
That was...
joe rogan
He flew all the way down there.
unidentified
Yeah.
That show was crazy, man.
Friday night, I was...
What was even crazier is how horrible CNN was.
brian redban
They were like an hour and a half behind, but then you'd like, look, what was it?
unidentified
Hashtag Watertown?
That jam...
brian redban
It was just like, guy throwing grenades, this happening, this happening.
unidentified
It was so insane reading that.
brian redban
And it was amazing how censored everything was or delayed it was on the news.
It was like, you think people are getting grenades thrown at them, that would be on the news immediately.
unidentified
But they were just talking like, oh, we're still looking for this guy.
tony hinchcliffe
It's incredible.
Everybody's a witness now and everybody's a cameraman now.
What's happening is...
People on the streets can beat the news because they're right there too.
joe rogan
But you also don't get a filter, meaning you don't get anyone correcting it either.
So it's interesting because you get instantaneous news, but you don't get it vetted.
People don't make sure that everything that's coming through is kosher.
Not that the news always gets it right.
They don't.
And I guess it's better to do it that way where it eventually sorts itself out.
But people that would step in and sabotage that process and create disinformation, like a government agency could be pretty fucking successful at doing that, I think.
And there's probably a bunch of people that are hired to do that shit all the time.
I've been accused of it myself, but I will tell you that it is incorrect.
And then I think, like in those Starsky and Hutch movies, like when someone would say, or a TV show, right?
Any cop show.
They used to have to, remember in the old days, like someone would say, if you're a cop, you got to tell me, like when someone's an undercover cop.
tony hinchcliffe
Oh yeah.
joe rogan
And remember, it was like, there was a secret password.
You got to ask them, are you a cop?
And they go, shit, yeah, I'm a cop.
unidentified
Yeah, man.
joe rogan
I'm too smart for you, Jack.
You can't buy this heroin.
You know, there was like some magic word.
I think that was a creation of fiction.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah, I think they changed that.
joe rogan
Yeah.
But people always thought that.
But, you know, that's probably some disinformation the cops put out.
There was an accusation recently that the DEA put out a false paper about them not being able to track people by using iMessage, because iMessage is over the internet.
And so there was an article on a tech site, like if you're planning to sell drugs, do it through iMessage.
tony hinchcliffe
Wow.
joe rogan
Because the DEA says it can't read it.
And then, you know, the DEA's pressuring Apple.
But it turned out that was fake.
It was like the DEA made that to get a bunch of assholes that are drug dealers to go, your dog just, I messaged me.
I don't know what accent that is.
If that's your nationality, I apologize.
It was just a spur of the moment thing.
And it mean no disrespect.
But, you know, like...
The EA put out fake news to trick dummies into using iMessage to sell drugs.
unidentified
That's a good idea.
joe rogan
It is.
It's very crafty.
But it's one of those things where it gets to the point of, you know, that's not total entrapment.
That's just lying.
But what happens when you have undercover people?
When you have undercover people involved, those undercover people sell you coke and then you arrest them.
That's crazy.
You know why it's crazy?
Because there's no real coke.
You're not selling them coke.
You're arresting them.
So you're saying that they wanted to buy coke.
But you weren't even really selling coke.
You just got them to act through the moments.
tony hinchcliffe
That's a good point.
I never thought of it that way.
joe rogan
You got to talk through it.
There's no coke to buy.
There's no crime to commit.
They might have thought they were going to commit a crime.
But there was no real code.
They're not really buying anything.
You're not really selling anything.
There was no real transaction.
It's a fake transaction.
You're playing make-believe.
And that's fucked up.
Because you're also trying to arrest people.
Because the more people you arrest, the better your career looks.
So it becomes a quantifiable thing.
So you can talk someone into doing something illegal and then arrest them.
And then it helps you.
But that's crazy.
Because people talk to people in the suck of their dick.
People talk people into doing all sorts of stupid shit they didn't really want to do.
They just did because they got persuaded.
Because people could be persuasive.
So if you're some crazy sociopathic fuck that just so happens to be an undercover cop and you want to talk people into doing shit for you so you can arrest them, we need to put you in a cage.
Okay?
You, you crazy fuck.
unidentified
Yeah, Tony.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah, are you saying I'm an undercover cop?
joe rogan
No.
tony hinchcliffe
How'd you guys find out about that?
joe rogan
Well, the internet.
It's one of the first...
We had to vet it, but we just figured we'd run it by you first, see how you reacted.
tony hinchcliffe
Well, you know I have to tell you, once you bring it up, it's true.
I'm an undercover cop.
joe rogan
You know, it's just the whole idea that they can pretend to buy drugs from you and then arrest you.
It's like, what are you doing with it?
Why don't you go get a...
unidentified
Stop!
joe rogan
Stop that.
You're selling fake drugs?
You're buying fake drugs?
Stop it.
Just cut the shit.
Stop trying to trick people, okay?
Either you catch them or you don't.
tony hinchcliffe
Right.
joe rogan
Stop playing games, pretending you're criminals.
Either you catch them or you don't.
Jesus Christ.
Can't we be, everybody be a superhero?
Superheroes don't pretend to be undercover drug lords and sell you fucking illegal guns and then arrest you.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah, I think with the drugs it's good.
I think they should keep doing that predator thing though.
joe rogan
The drones?
tony hinchcliffe
No, the To Catch a Predator, like busting the guys that are trying to hook up with kids and stuff.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
That's different.
unidentified
Predator drones.
joe rogan
Yeah, but even that, you know, what's fucked up about that is like, what if you got like a really weak dude and he's a pedophile and he's gone through like...
You know, counseling, and he's got, like, all this, you know, shit that's heavy in his head, but he's gonna figure out a way to never abuse again.
Like, he got out of jail, and he's trying to go through counseling, he's trying to straighten himself out, and then along comes that fucking To Catch a Predator show, and they just troll his ass.
unidentified
Ah.
joe rogan
I don't know how they get people to get into their site and chat with them and shit like that.
I don't know what those people say back.
I don't know what they get to say back, but...
tony hinchcliffe
Well, sometimes, you know, they have the kid being extra teasy.
It is sort of...
Hey, there's a party.
joe rogan
It's so fucked up.
tony hinchcliffe
I'm having a party.
I'm making cookies.
Can you bring, you know...
unidentified
Do you want some sweet tea?
joe rogan
There's always sweet tea.
unidentified
Have some sweet tea.
Something about sweet tea makes you want to suck dick.
tony hinchcliffe
There's some cookies on the table.
I'll be right out.
joe rogan
And then that...
What's his name?
tony hinchcliffe
Chris Hansen.
joe rogan
Powerful Chris Hansen.
How many crazy people has that guy met?
unidentified
Do they still do that?
joe rogan
Poor, nutty people.
I don't think so.
I think they got in trouble.
I think...
I don't...
See, a lot of what they did...
First of all, I think you have to get people to sign releases...
To air that stuff.
I don't know how they got anybody to sign a release.
unidentified
I don't know.
joe rogan
How did they do that?
tony hinchcliffe
They probably covered their costs.
unidentified
Their lawyers.
tony hinchcliffe
Everything.
unidentified
Really?
tony hinchcliffe
Oh yeah.
Because it's worth it to them to have a hit.
joe rogan
We're just totally speculating.
This is no better than anyone.
So why don't we look that up real quick.
Let's see.
How did To Catch a Predator...
What do you think I should Google?
How did To Catch a Predator get them to sign waivers?
tony hinchcliffe
Sure.
unidentified
Watch what you Google, man.
You don't want that in your Google records.
joe rogan
Yeah, no kidding, right?
unidentified
Hey, what was up with you in the Google Glasses, man?
I saw...
joe rogan
I'll tell you.
Hold on.
unidentified
Did you just call me honey?
joe rogan
Honey, sweetie pie.
How did To Catch a Predator get them to sign waivers?
Yeah, you could get in trouble for looking too much into Catch a Predator.
What are you trying to do?
Trying to avoid being busted?
tony hinchcliffe
I was thinking about that the other day.
How do you even know what's going on if you can't Google certain things?
I was thinking of looking up how to make a bomb just to see if that's out there.
Nobody knows if that's out there if you don't Google it and everybody's afraid to Google it.
Does that make sense?
unidentified
Did you do it?
tony hinchcliffe
No, I didn't.
unidentified
I don't want anything to happen to me.
tony hinchcliffe
Which is why I think it left an impression.
It was something I was curious about.
I wish there was a thing you could Google where it's like...
I don't know.
I just don't get it.
But it seems like any crazy could...
I don't know.
The internet's powerful.
joe rogan
The scariest thing about shows like Catch a Predator is you see that these guys are broken.
You see they're horrified when they get caught.
You see they know that it's fucked up.
It's not like they're these remorseless, cold, insensitive, unfeeling...
They're not scared when they get caught.
These guys fall apart.
You can see they're horrified at who they are.
It's really...
It's scary.
It's scary to see.
Because it's like a glimpse into madness.
You know?
That guy, Chris Hansen...
I guarantee you...
Now, this sounds like some hippie bullshit...
But being around people that are that fucked up on a regular basis...
And broadcasting them...
And paying your bills based on broadcasting them...
Under the guise, I guess, you're pulling these people off the street, and that's always a good thing.
tony hinchcliffe
Well, you know what happened to him, right?
What was it?
Was it he got caught cheating on his wife or something?
It was some big media thing.
joe rogan
Yeah, he got investigated with a camera.
He was out with another bone mound.
I mean, look, I don't know what the fuck the guy's marriage was like.
I don't want to crack on the guy for that.
I think there's a big difference between that and some fucking child, some consensual...
Shit he did with his secretary or whoever that freak is.
I don't know.
I hate him for that.
But being around all those people that were kid fuckers, man.
That's got to wear on your soul.
That's got to wear on your soul to just even see these people over and over again and being in their presence when you know most of them are probably...
I mean, I guess this isn't their first time.
I would assume this isn't their first time.
They probably already had sex with young kids already.
So you watch that, it's got to be a really depressing view of the world.
There's only so many different things you can expose yourself to in a 24-hour time period, and you've got 365 of those 24-hour time periods in a year, and you've got 100 of those years if you keep your shit together, but most likely no.
And you're going to spend time hanging around pedophiles all the time?
And it's one thing if you're a guy and that's your job to pull them off the street, but I'm not exactly sure what good it does making a show out of that.
You know what I mean?
Except scare the fuck out of everybody and make us aware.
But I feel like, you know, not that I mind them being outed because it's such a heinous crime against humanity, but man, it seems like a fucked up thing to broadcast, you know?
It's like, what do we want to concentrate on?
It's one thing to work on cleaning that up, but as a piece of entertainment programming, you're going to concentrate on someone who wants to victimize children, and you're just going to focus on that a lot.
tony hinchcliffe
I think it was a hit because, you know, they're the ultimate bad guys.
Oh, yeah.
So you're looking at the villain of all villains.
joe rogan
Right.
No matter how fucked up your own life is, right?
tony hinchcliffe
Right.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Nobody's lower than a child molester.
Everybody can go, that fucking piece of shit.
That fucking piece.
You get to be on the couch picking your fat toes, smoking a cigarette.
You're sitting there just picking dry skin out of your toes and just dropping it on the floor.
Oh, this motherfucker.
That piece of shit.
I hope he rots.
I hope he rots in jail.
Death is too good for him.
I hope he rots in jail.
You know what they do to child molesters?
They get him in there.
This person, this fucking wretched, stupid human being is barely an ape.
I get the shit on this child molester and feel better.
unidentified
That voice grosses me out.
joe rogan
That Boston lady?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
I feel bad.
I shouldn't do it.
I'm from Boston.
Boston is in a bad position right now.
I just don't, you know, this Boston thing.
One of the things that is fascinating is that There was a thing about how they weren't going to read him his rights.
This thing about whether or not they were going to try him as an enemy combatant or try him as a civilian.
It's really fascinating that that's becoming a real issue.
The way they decide to approach it.
Is this guy an American that we're going to try as an American?
When someone commits any form of terrorism, are they instantly just out of the club, or do we try them as one of us?
Is it a war thing?
Are we at war?
How are we going to go forward in this?
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah, it's interesting.
joe rogan
It's interesting the way we label things, you know?
And it's interesting, okay, any conspiracy theory aside, that all these nutty ideas that are floating around, one thing we know for sure, there was bombs that a person put in place that killed a bunch of people that didn't do anything wrong.
And we have to figure out how the fuck that happens.
And I know that sounds super simplistic, but as a human, as a species that's evolving, clearly, as we were talking about the Mongols earlier, and like what they used to do a thousand years ago, like our most heinous acts pale in comparison to those of our ancestors.
But when something like this happens, you realize that people are still capable Of such embarrassing, ruthless stupidity, arrogance, and just horrific insensitivity towards their fellow man.
The idea that you could just take a bunch of people you don't know and kill them and maim them and you just were in the wrong spot at the wrong time and I got a message.
And there's only one thing that gets people to do that, folks, by the way.
And that's an ideology.
tony hinchcliffe
Right.
joe rogan
It could either be a religion or it could be a cult or it can be, you know, some group that you belong to that's sworn allegiance to a certain code or set of rules.
But that's the only way you get people to do shit like that.
If they don't have an ideology, they just don't do that.
It doesn't make sense.
There's no evolutionary benefit to doing that other than pleasing a group of other like-minded psychopaths.
Someone, you have to be Amongst a group of people that have very specific beliefs that above all else take precedent so that you're willing to put your humanity aside for your crazy beliefs in a completely irrational display of destructive power and that you can kill innocents.
That only comes from ideology and we get really lost when we start talking about Religious freedom and religion and, you know, and atheists are guilty of this just as much as really religious people are.
Because whether you call it being a Muslim, whether you call it being a Buddhist, whether you call it being a vegan, whether you call it being a Christian, whether you call it being a Republican, whether you call it being a Democrat, whether you call it being a progressive, when you lock yourself in anything, you become a part of something that's almost been decided for you.
You lock into a pre Arrange set of opinions on things and some of them are batshit fucking crazy and just like the Mongols got a hundred thousand motherfuckers to roam across Russia and Europe and China and slaughter millions of people you can't do that unless you got a cause you can't do that unless you're part of a group you can't do that unless your group is separate from the
other groups And the only way that ever works is someone's got to talk you into that shit.
You've got to be a part of something.
And with this kid, apparently, the one that they're saying did it.
He was a pretty radical, religious young man.
Now, whether or not that's true, who knows?
tony hinchcliffe
It has to be.
It seems to be the one thing that all these people have in common.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Well, I think the false flag people are thinking that Somebody gave them all this stuff and that they were talked into doing it and that it was a plan to erode civil liberties, that they would sacrifice a few Americans and clamp down on laws.
This really is classically what military leaders have been doing since the beginning of time.
Like we were talking about, armies in the past would actually sacrifice soldiers and slaughter them so that the rest of the people could eat.
They would cannibalize themselves.
They had to talk somebody into doing something like that.
tony hinchcliffe
The first time somebody does that, it's super awkward.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's hard to believe that in this day and age, if you look at how amazing humans are capable of being, here's a perfect example.
Oprah.
No, I know Brian doesn't like my love for Oprah.
unidentified
I love that your love for Oprah.
I think it's funny stuff.
joe rogan
Brian, he goofs on me.
But it's an honest appreciation for what she does because Oprah, like, you know, I had a friend who worked for her and he was like, man, she's like super, um, do you got to pee?
You weak bitch.
Barely an hour in.
How the fuck are you going to try to be a stand-up comedian?
Can't even...
Go two hours without peeing.
My friend was like, he worked for her, and he was like, wow, she's intense.
She has an idea of what she wants, and she gets it done.
I think he was probably intimidated by it, too, because he was working for her.
Stop and think about how much nice that lady does.
That lady is so nice.
All those women that come to her show, they feel great.
Everybody leaves positive.
I was reading this thing the other day on negative energy.
There was some sort of a study that actually showed that negative energy is contagious.
If you're hanging around people that are negative, it doesn't just affect you when you communicate with them.
It becomes a part of the way you communicate as well.
It becomes contagious.
One super aggressive, contagious, negative person can actually affect a company.
I think that's why it's important that, I mean, companies have been really focused on that.
I think ones that are really aware of the social structure within their organization, they want to make sure that you don't get, like, a really negative, downer-type person in any sort of a role.
Because if you get them, you know, they can really infect, like, if they're, especially if you had some guy, like, you're working on a big project, you got some one guy who's leading it, and he's a douchebag, and everybody shows up at work, like, ugh!
There's very few things in life worse than being stuck, like working in a job that sucks with a boss who's an asshole, right?
unidentified
Why are all bosses mostly assholes too?
joe rogan
It's hard to get people to listen.
unidentified
I look back at all the jobs I've ever had.
And the majority, they were always the assholes.
brian redban
They were never the people you hung out with or wanted to hang out with.
unidentified
They were always the assholes.
joe rogan
I was always a terrible employee.
So I think any time a boss got mad at me, I totally deserved it.
I did a shit job mowing lawns when I was You know, a landscaper.
I remember the guy hired me.
I fucking scalped this lawn.
I didn't know how to work a lawnmower.
I lied, just so I could get the job.
Like, my friend did it, and he said, you could do it easy.
It's not hard, but it was hard.
The first time we did it, it was kind of hard to figure out.
These are old, shitty lawnmowers, you know, and I scalped the shit out of this lawn.
unidentified
I fucking hate mowing lawns.
Don't you hate it?
That used to be torture back as a child.
joe rogan
It's not easy.
tony hinchcliffe
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
But when I was in high school, my friend Chris, he – one of the things about Boston, about growing up in Boston, Boston is like a really – they have a lot of ingenuity.
There's a lot of like – people get shit done.
There's like a strong work ethic there.
Like, clearly, way stronger work ethic than I ever experienced here in California.
Like, people are so used to getting up in the morning, shoveling their car out from the snow.
They're used to shit.
Like, it's a different kind of, like, there's a different kind of, like, mentality there, you know?
And if you grow up there, you grow...
I forget what we were talking about.
I had an example.
What were we talking about just before that?
Yes.
I had a point and I completely lost it in trying to figure out why it is.
Damn it.
unidentified
You didn't take your alpha brain today.
joe rogan
I didn't.
I took it, but not until right before the show.
Fuck.
unidentified
Mowing lawns.
Oprah.
joe rogan
No, no, no.
It's passed over, dude.
It was the mowing lawns thing.
It was about...
Oh, my friend Chris.
Okay.
When I was in high school, this is what it was.
When everybody else was like, you know, I had a job at like Papa Gino's and shit.
I was like making spaghetti and it was like...
Pretty easy.
Boring job.
This kid had a lawnmower empire.
He had a landscaping empire.
He had a brand new car.
He had people working for him.
He had lawns that were going while he was at school.
He had guys working for him.
They were cutting lawns while he was at school.
And he would come home and he would go and work till night time and then show up and work the next day.
He always had new sneakers on.
He was like a grown man by the time we were 17. This fucking kid.
I'd never been around more people that made me feel like a lazy bitch.
There was so many dudes, like my friend Jimmy, that I used to love, Jimmy Dutileo.
This guy, like, he had, from the time he was in high school, he had his own electrical business.
He worked for a guy for a little while, started doing work on the side.
By the time he got out of high school, the dude's got his own business.
He's just busting ass 10, 12 hours a day, driving around like a maniac.
When you're around people like that, you develop that sort of tenacity.
That exists in not a lot of spots in this country.
I think that dealing with environmental conditions, there's something about that.
That's why people from New York tend to be funnier.
People from Boston tend to be funnier.
It's because they're dealing with so much bullshit all the time.
tony hinchcliffe
Oh, definitely.
unidentified
And Kim Trails.
joe rogan
Kim Trails.
tony hinchcliffe
I definitely think where you're raised...
joe rogan
Where you're coming up with that.
tony hinchcliffe
Where you're raised has a lot to do with that type of crazy factor of your communication skills, really.
I think it's down to small talk.
If the city that you're raised in, it rains a lot, you're going to end up having to talk with your friends more.
Or if it snows a lot, if it rains a lot, if it's a windy city, things like that.
joe rogan
It's true.
tony hinchcliffe
And I think those things really apply.
joe rogan
Yeah, socially, for sure, right?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
In California, you could sleep outside and live.
tony hinchcliffe
Right.
unidentified
Ohio, you drank, got drunk, and just partied and talked on the porch while smoking cigarettes.
tony hinchcliffe
That's it.
joe rogan
Don't you think that Ohio of today, growing up in the same place where you grew up, would be very different because of the internet?
Because kids growing up with the internet?
unidentified
Be a lot more tolerable, that's for sure.
joe rogan
Yeah, right?
Yeah.
That's a totally different world now.
The whole world all of a sudden got lights turned on everywhere.
Lights turned on and the news started showing up.
All the information started flowing, whereas before you relied on local newspapers and fucking TV news.
Bitch, how the fuck did you know what was going on?
How did anybody know what was going on back then?
tony hinchcliffe
Man.
joe rogan
Yeah.
How did anybody know?
So I think they're saying that there's certain laws that apply to pedophiles.
That's why those guys were allowed to be put on that show.
unidentified
And there's a reason why they quit.
A guy killed himself while filming it.
joe rogan
Oh, Jesus.
unidentified
One of the suspects.
Somebody tweeted it.
joe rogan
Well, if they were being honest, wouldn't they say, good riddance.
See you next week.
unidentified
Yeah, they would show it.
joe rogan
I mean, are they trying to get rid of predators?
They're trying to catch them.
It's bad if they commit suicide?
Well, we're all God's creatures, even the ones that fuck kids.
I mean, what is that?
That's ridiculous.
brian redban
Wow, they got sued for $105 million.
joe rogan
Why don't they just come clean and give the guys a gun on the show?
And go, listen, sir, there's a bullet in that gun, put it up to your head, fuck this trial, and we'll pay for your funeral.
And we'll, you know.
tony hinchcliffe
That'd be the most watched reality program.
joe rogan
And then as soon as he blows his brains, I'll go, psych!
Film it.
Get a close-up on him.
We're out.
Just get out of there.
Just leave him there.
Put it on TV. No one's going to know.
What are they going to do?
Are the cops going to sue NBC? Are they going to bring him in for questioning?
Look, you saw what happened.
The guy fucks kids.
We gave him a gun.
Okay, we're good here, right?
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
Would that be illegal?
I would say yes.
Especially if the guy didn't have a gun permit.
tony hinchcliffe
I guess it really depends on the gun law.
joe rogan
Maybe you could do it if you gave him the gun and said, whatever you do, do not shoot yourself in the head right now on TV. Give him a little smile and a wink.
unidentified
There was this weird comic at the store last night.
Do you remember this, Tony?
There was some Norwegian...
brian redban
I did something for Michael Jackson or something, but he had this huge Wikipedia that just goes off about how brilliant this guy is and how much money he has.
joe rogan
Oh, did he write his own Wikipedia?
unidentified
Maybe, but he's connected to a lot of these TV shows and stuff.
But anyways, his wife comes up to me and goes, Hey, fat man, come here, fat man.
And it was right in front of you.
tony hinchcliffe
I do know who you're talking about.
brian redban
And she was trying to tell me that he has this nice house up here, and pretty much she was trying to get me to come back to their house.
joe rogan
For an orgy?
unidentified
What it seemed like.
joe rogan
She wanted you, well, it's probably what they feel like Hollywood's about.
tony hinchcliffe
Right.
unidentified
And he's like, if I am going to make it here, you have to give up the pussy.
joe rogan
Listen, we need orgies all the time.
tony hinchcliffe
Norway?
joe rogan
It's the only way to make it as a comedian.
unidentified
It's so weird.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's a pretty odd story there, fella.
unidentified
And then she's showing me these photos in her phone.
She's like, look at the parties we have!
And it's just her and this other girl in the bikinis.
joe rogan
Oh, wait a minute.
She's a comedian?
unidentified
No, no, no.
She's the wife.
Oh, the wife.
Okay.
brian redban
And she's just going around the whole place Bragging about her husband, how much millions of dollars he makes.
tony hinchcliffe
She was very cute, but this guy looked like a baron.
He's a bigger guy with a suit that's like four sizes too small.
joe rogan
They were probably bull CIA. You guys are getting slowly worked.
They're slowly going to make it into the organization.
They were looking into this whole death squad thing.
They're like, what is death squad?
Do we have to worry about them?
tony hinchcliffe
That's what it is.
So you're the guy that they wanted to take up there and show the...
unidentified
Yeah, she was...
joe rogan
They were gonna drug you and hit you with some fucking...
some hypnosis.
tony hinchcliffe
Europeans just...
they just don't have like normal sex.
joe rogan
He's gonna be some Manchurian candidate type dude.
That's what's gonna happen.
CIA dude's gonna drop a nano pill in his drink.
That silly bitch, he'll be hammered.
He'll drink anything he'd send his way.
brian redban
You know what's also weird is that lady that drives around in that pink Corvette.
joe rogan
I saw her yesterday.
unidentified
This was my point.
joe rogan
Not yesterday, excuse me.
Last week.
brian redban
This was my point, that I see her maybe once a week, and it's always random places.
unidentified
Like, I'll see her in Hollywood once, and I see her a lot around here.
joe rogan
Explain, tell people what she is.
brian redban
She used to be like a rich wife, I guess, that would post photos or these billboards all over, just kind of promoting her.
And I don't think she really had...
joe rogan
Well, that's one way of describing it.
brian redban
Yeah, I don't think she really had anything going.
unidentified
She just had a lot of money to play with.
brian redban
And so she pretty much made her seem like she was a big deal when she really wasn't.
unidentified
She was just a rich wife.
joe rogan
Yeah, well, the billboards were these giant billboards that say Angeline on them in big letters.
Like, whoa, it's Angeline.
And she's this really pale lady with giant tits.
And she looks a little odd.
She looks really photoshopped, really brightly lit.
It's really hard to discern key features.
Because apparently she's very old.
And when I came to LA in 94, she had big billboards all around town, like several of them, that said Angeline.
It was just her and then her management's number.
It was her in her underwear.
unidentified
And it was really hot, actually.
joe rogan
Yeah, it was kind of crazy.
Because, you know, she had a really nice body, I guess.
Yeah, look at that.
unidentified
That's like, what's her face?
Dolly Parton.
joe rogan
Yeah, but by the time she was doing this, I mean, who knows how old she was in that picture, but the one that you see today bears no resemblance.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah, I had no idea who she was, and we were shooting something at Hollywood and Highland one night in that crazy, like, area.
And all of a sudden she pulls up and people were like, oh my god, there's Angeline!
And it took, I had no idea who this was and it took like four people 20 minutes to be able to explain to me what the big thing with her.
But in LA she's like an icon.
joe rogan
She's probably 60 years old at least.
unidentified
She still dresses like she's like 17. I've seen her several times.
tony hinchcliffe
I wonder what she wanted.
If she wanted to be an actress or like what?
joe rogan
I don't know.
That's a good question.
tony hinchcliffe
Interesting marketing campaign.
brian redban
But what's really weird is how much I see her.
And that's like one of the only cars where you're like, oh, that's her.
unidentified
That's her.
That's her.
brian redban
Like how many times you actually drive by people you probably know and drive around the same cars.
unidentified
It's just so weird how small Los Angeles actually is to that point.
joe rogan
Well, in that sense.
And, you know, it's also like the spots that she hits or the spots you're at.
Like, I just saw her at a coffee bean.
Yeah, that's what she looks like now.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tony hinchcliffe
Oh, man.
joe rogan
I'm sure she's a nice lady.
unidentified
I'll do it.
joe rogan
No hate.
unidentified
You wouldn't do that if no one knew?
joe rogan
I mean, look, man.
Nothing wrong with being that, you know?
That's who she is.
She's fabulous.
Let her go get it.
unidentified
Fuck this little kitty right here.
tony hinchcliffe
Oh, look at that arm.
joe rogan
Brian, put that away.
unidentified
What is that?
joe rogan
Put that whole thing away, you fuck.
She's your grandmother, man.
Show some respect.
I don't know if she's a mother or a grandmother, but, you know, that whole wanting to be famous thing.
Strange thing.
She was like one of the original reality stars.
She created her own reality show by just putting up billboards.
Her reality show became her life, you know?
No one was filming it, but her life was a reality show, you know?
I knew who she was.
I knew who she was a couple years after living here.
So I've known who she was since 96-ish?
97-ish?
unidentified
Wow.
tony hinchcliffe
I remember when she pulled up she had her face covered with like some kind of like one of those Asian fans yeah and she she was mysterious yeah whoa yeah that's a that's a strange strange world we live in my friends man if I was a porn star hot chick porn star I would buy a pink Corvette and be her new competition oh that would be so rude you could call yourself Angelone yeah Or Angelina.
unidentified
That's a good idea, though, because that's how she got her attention, to sing that, you know, Pink Corvette.
joe rogan
The new Angelina.
Maybe you could have, like, your whole thing was about, like, how you get a rich husband who allows you to freelance in your porn career.
And that would be the whole thing.
The husband has no idea what's going on.
He comes home, what is happening in here?
Who are these guys?
And you gotta explain why they were tag-teaming you.
You gotta say, you know, it was all so I could get better with you, honey.
I just, they're not tag-teaming me.
They're teaching me.
This is, it's very controversial.
I should abandon this right now.
It's not going anywhere.
unidentified
Have you ever been with a girl that you're just completely haunted about?
brian redban
Like, that you think about, like, even after it happened, you were just like, why the fuck did I do that?
joe rogan
That's part of being drunk, son.
That's the whole part of being drunk.
That's the beauty of life.
If you didn't have those stories, then you wouldn't have those awkward moments.
And if you didn't have those awkward moments, you wouldn't have some really hilarious shit to talk about when everyone else is drunk as well and they can understand what you're saying.
That's why drunks have the best stories.
The being drunk, drunk stories, when they can just really cut loose and be free and not worried about it.
I had friends from back in the Boston days that have the best stories when they're drunk.
And then somewhere along the line, those fucks become Alcoholics Anonymous people.
And all the stories stop.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
unidentified
I feel like I'm going to have to start getting into Alcoholics Anonymous soon, just being at the comedy store, going to a comedy club so much, you just have to fucking drink.
brian redban
Me and Tony battle with this almost every single night, where we're like, have you got a drink yet?
unidentified
Yeah.
tony hinchcliffe
Well, you know, I mean, it's just...
You know what's interesting about, you know, it's like either the night's going great and you want a drink to celebrate, or it's a fucking boring night and you want a drink to have more fun.
So it's like, there's never a time where I'm just like in the middle, like, you know what?
It just seems more fun.
joe rogan
If you do it every night that you have a show, though, man, it really can wear on you.
tony hinchcliffe
Well, you know, I'm very lucky because on my end of it, I'll sometimes only have a half a drink or one drink because I'm very little and I'm very reactive.
joe rogan
How many beers does it take to get you fucked up?
unidentified
Two and a half, probably.
joe rogan
Two and a half beers and you're fucked up?
tony hinchcliffe
Three, I'm fucked up.
Isn't that great?
joe rogan
Yeah, three, and I just decided to tell a story that I wasn't sure if I was going to tell.
unidentified
Right.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah, I normally don't get to my third drink until pretty late.
Oh, really?
joe rogan
That's funny.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
unidentified
That's weird.
joe rogan
How much do you weigh?
tony hinchcliffe
Probably about 127, right around there.
joe rogan
And if you think about a beer, it's what, a pound?
Right?
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah, I guess so.
unidentified
I'd say one bottle of Jack Daniels fucks me up.
joe rogan
Essentially, you get to like 1% of your body weight fairly quickly.
1% of your body weight in beer.
tony hinchcliffe
Oh, that's interesting.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Would you say what about Jack Daniels would fuck you up?
unidentified
I've gotten to the point where I think one bottle of Jack Daniels would fuck me up.
joe rogan
Shut up, son.
You fucking start slurring when you open the cap.
unidentified
Yeah, but slurring and being like blacked out.
joe rogan
And being alive.
unidentified
Yeah, I'm talking about like blacking out.
joe rogan
I'm talking about like bleeding from the liver until I expire.
My poor liver.
Yeah, it's interesting that no one's figured out a way to create the effect of alcohol without the horrific effects to your fucking body.
tony hinchcliffe
Well, my way works.
You could just get down to 127 and just sip on a drink all night long.
Feel great.
joe rogan
Or black out every night because you keep forgetting you only weigh 126 pounds now.
tony hinchcliffe
Right.
joe rogan
Like, can you imagine a guy like Tate?
Well, he doesn't drink, but in his prime, this big guy, you know?
Big guys can put away more.
Like Joey.
Joey can put away some fucking booze, man.
unidentified
I love when Joey...
Joey barely ever drinks, but when he does, he always gets the most fruitiest drinks.
It's so cute.
Like, he'll get like, I got an orange creamsicle!
joe rogan
It tastes good, man.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's why, you know, people like pina coladas and shit.
You're getting fucked up.
Some folks only allow them that when they're on vacation.
But men?
Well, when men are drinking, they want manly shit.
They want something that just makes them go...
tony hinchcliffe
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Right?
tony hinchcliffe
Totally.
joe rogan
You guys want a drink right now?
unidentified
I have a long night of drinking.
Don't be a pussy.
joe rogan
So you're saying you'd rather drink with them than drink with us?
unidentified
No, I mean, what do you have?
joe rogan
How dare you?
unidentified
Depends what you have, because I'm pretty hungover right now.
joe rogan
Well, I'm about to go watch a fucking UFO documentary, so I'm fixing to get fucked up.
unidentified
I've only ate kinoa today.
joe rogan
I'm not really big on watching UFO documentaries while sober.
Something's gonna go wrong.
unidentified
What is this?
Jam Van just showed me this.
There's a spray that gets you instantly drunk for a few seconds.
joe rogan
Wow.
unidentified
That sounds awesome.
tony hinchcliffe
That seems super healthy.
joe rogan
You should give that to yourself right before you leave the house.
How long does it last?
unidentified
It doesn't say, just five seconds.
joe rogan
Is it like some Whippets type shit?
unidentified
I guess, no.
I don't know what it is.
One spray releases.0075 alcohol.
Oh.
Oh, it gets you drunk legally.
joe rogan
Oh, legally drunk.
unidentified
Why would you show me that?
joe rogan
They got some sportscaster.
Some sportscaster got pulled over for...
Is it Al Michaels?
Yeah, he got pulled over and he was on the limit.
He was at the limit, 08 and 09. What happens there when you're at the limit?
unidentified
Here's the thing.
Don't you first have to do the drunk test?
brian redban
You walk around like a buffoon, and then if you fail that, then you have to do it?
unidentified
He obviously, I guess, showed signs that he can't do balance on one foot.
joe rogan
Well, not necessarily.
They might have just asked him, and he said he would take the test because he only had one drink.
That's what he's saying.
He's saying he only had one drink.
I think.
Did I read that?
No.
You know what?
That's what...
I'm sorry.
That's what Reese Witherspoon's husband said.
I got the wrong drunk.
He said he only had one drunk.
But the Al Michaels guy, he tested On The Limit.
And he's a fucking man's man.
He's a fucking sportscaster.
You're telling me that guy doesn't know how to drive when he's a little tipsy?
He's an 08?
Let him go, you pussy.
Don't you appreciate a good game of hockey being called by the maestro?
Let him go.
It's not like you're letting go of a criminal.
tony hinchcliffe
08. That's a pro-drinker.
That's a pro-socializer.
joe rogan
That guy knows what he's doing.
08. Get the fuck out of here.
It's like, what a pussy society we have.
That's not drunk, okay?
If he's drunk, yeah, for sure.
Arrest him, asshole.
That's ridiculous.
People driving around drunk are assholes.
But people driving around that are barely buzzed at 08, come on.
How do I know that your body functions as good as mine does when I'm drunk?
How about that?
Your reaction time?
How good is your...
How do I know you're not a dullard with a slow right foot?
unidentified
You just can't get to that break in time.
joe rogan
You know, maybe Al Michaels could still, even at whatever he is, 70, still do a solid two-step, hits that break like a champ.
I'm not saying he should drive drunk.
I'm just saying, what's 08?
That's like a drink, right?
unidentified
Yeah, pretty close.
Yeah.
joe rogan
I would like to see what an 08 guy looks like performing stuff.
I would like to see him go through that.
tony hinchcliffe
I'm sure he's always in 08 when he's calling the Super Bowl.
You know what I mean?
joe rogan
Right.
You know one that doesn't count though?
Here's another thing though.
It's the adrenaline that you get when you get pulled over.
I would imagine that would have some sort of a recuperative effect.
Like if you're driving a little shitty because you're kind of hammered and you get pulled over and it might jolt you into a position where you could possibly perform the test a little better than you could be.
But it's not going to make you less drunk, right?
So 08 is still an 08 if you blew it.
brian redban
Yeah, I think it's just entirely too low to blanket that that's considered a DUI. Because, I mean, you know, if you go out to dinner and you have a drink, like a margarita, and the bartender, like, pours it stronger than normal, Are you saying that just having one margarita with dinner, you should go to jail and get all these things on your license that you think you're going to run into, plow into a school of children?
unidentified
I don't buy that.
I think that's...
I don't know.
I'm not a big...
I think it needs to change.
joe rogan
Well, I think that's a dosage issue.
What you're talking about is a dosage issue.
And that...
They really should get in trouble if they're doing that.
I mean, people don't want them to get in trouble.
Go, yeah, go to this place.
They got the stiffest drinks.
You really should let people know what the fuck you're serving them.
And if you're serving them some margarita that's got twice the alcohol in it and you're trying to get customers that way, You could fuck somebody up if they know exactly how they usually rock it.
They have this thing, I'm good for one margarita, and then I back the fuck off, and then I get home and I'm fine.
And then all of a sudden the guy's hammered, driving home, he doesn't know what happened.
It's because you essentially doubled his dose.
unidentified
Yeah.
I'm just saying it's way too low, I think.
joe rogan
Yeah, but not if it's...
unidentified
Don't you?
joe rogan
I see your point.
Definitely.
But I'm not convinced.
I don't have any data.
I want to see a guy who's at an 08 go through all that shit.
unidentified
Is it based on what percentage you are at your fines, too?
I don't know.
joe rogan
You know, I want to do it.
I want to...
unidentified
Want to get your eyes together?
joe rogan
No.
No, I don't want to drive drunk.
That's one thing I've been really careful about my entire life.
I think it's really important to...
To be safe when you're operating a vehicle, I mean, the idea that you would operate a vehicle with your body all fucking half there, that's so scary to me.
It's so scary to be the driver.
It's so scary thinking there's so many people out there that are doing it.
It's so selfish and stupid.
But I think that...
I would like to find out what it feels like to be at an 08 and do any of those tests.
I want to know, what is it like if they say, I'm not going to drive, but get me to the limit, give me a breathalyzer, say, okay, you're at 08 now.
Whether it's three drinks or two drinks, and now make me do your stuff.
I want to know what it feels like.
unidentified
You can buy a breathalyzer on Amazon.
We should do it.
joe rogan
But I don't want to do it because I definitely don't want to drive.
But I would like to drive on a course.
I would like to go on a course and see, like, get me to 09 and let me see what I can do.
brian redban
I think you're going to be surprised how exactly normal you're going to be feeling.
tony hinchcliffe
I wonder.
joe rogan
Well, I wonder because I've been drunk and as of you...
I wonder.
I wonder what it's like to do that.
But then again, telling people that 08 or 09 is the limit means that's probably where most people who are not in the best shape or don't have the best talents for alcohol, where they start to falter.
So if you're making a public policy, that's probably a good idea to do it on the conservative side.
Anthony Cumia had a funny thing.
He was talking about it should really be based on your tolerance.
You should have a license that indicates your tolerance.
But that shit changes too, because dudes start falling apart.
unidentified
Yeah, you have to just take a license test or a tolerance test once a year.
justin wren
It's so incredibly irresponsible to tell people they can drink more.
joe rogan
To tell people that the legal limit as is, eh, you can drink a little more.
Yahoo!
unidentified
This fucking green light, son!
joe rogan
You ain't got tolerance like me, boy.
I got tolerance.
Like, I mean, think about, like, my friend Justin.
Here's a perfect example.
You know my friend Justin, the seven-foot-tall dude?
My friend Justin's, like, a legitimate giant.
He's enormous.
And if you go drink for drink with him, you're gonna die.
You're gonna die.
You're not the same species as him.
He's a completely different human being.
It's like a dog next to a cat.
It's not the same size.
tony hinchcliffe
I'm pretty sure it's Andre the Giant, actually, who has the drinking record.
I'm serious.
I think he has the...
joe rogan
There's a drinking record?
tony hinchcliffe
I think it's a crazy amount of cans of beers.
Wow.
joe rogan
Wow.
tony hinchcliffe
But he was, you know, he was like, what, seven foot something?
joe rogan
He was enormous.
Yeah.
There's been a few giants since then that got into mixed martial arts.
There's this guy, Giant Silva.
He was like a legit giant.
And he fought in Pride.
And then there's Antonio Bigfoot Silva.
And that guy, I think...
I think I'm saying Giant Silver.
I think that's his name.
If not, I apologize.
He's a big giant guy with crazy shaggy hair.
And then there's another guy, Semi Schilt.
He's like seven feet tall.
I think he's just a huge guy.
I don't think he has gigantism.
I think he's just an enormous regular human.
But you would just imagine a guy like Conjure the Giant.
Those little tiny...
You ever see a picture of a little tiny beer can in his hand?
unidentified
Yeah.
tony hinchcliffe
It's crazy.
joe rogan
It's a trip.
He would hold a beer can in his hand.
It was like you holding one of those little kids apple juices, you know, those ones that come in lunch boxes.
unidentified
Well, it's just that they estimated that he drank over 7,000 calories every day in booze alone.
joe rogan
I wouldn't be shocked.
tony hinchcliffe
Do they have the stat there, the number?
I know it's like a decisive thing.
joe rogan
Well, I'm going to see the picture of his hand because it's so silly.
tony hinchcliffe
You know, Rowdy Rowdy Piper started coming by the Comedy Store a couple years ago, and once in a while he'll swing in and he's friends with a few of us there.
And man, he's so great at hanging out and telling stories.
And one of the stories that he told us was about Andre the Giant, because everybody always goes, you know, because they did the road together for a decade or whatever.
And he talks about how one time they were at a bar, and there were these college kids.
They're like, hey, you know, fuck you, Andre the Giant.
But they're drinking beers, and that one time a kid drinks a beer, throws the empty can at the back of Andre the Giant's head, and he goes, don't do that again.
And then later on, he takes an empty can and he throws it at the back of Andre the Giant's head.
Look at that picture.
Oh my god.
And they all run outside, running away from Andre the Giant, who got up and is now chasing them.
And they all got in their car all at once, but Andre caught up to the car before it drove away, and he just flipped.
He picked up the car.
joe rogan
Where did you hear this story?
tony hinchcliffe
Rowdy Roddy Piper.
joe rogan
Really?
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
It's got to be a true story, too.
unidentified
Even if it's not, let's let him tell it.
joe rogan
Isn't that picture hilarious though, him holding a beer can?
I mean, it's like a little bait.
It's like, you ever see like a little kid's refrigerator set and they have a fake refrigerator?
That's what it looks like.
unidentified
Yeah, 119 beers in six hours.
joe rogan
God, that's what he drank?
That's what he drank?
How big was that guy?
What was his height and weight?
unidentified
7'1".
joe rogan
And he wasn't just tall.
He was enormous.
tony hinchcliffe
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Goddamn.
unidentified
Somewhere between 6'11 and 7'5 and over 500 pounds.
joe rogan
Between 6'11 and 7'5 and over 500 pounds.
tony hinchcliffe
And then I also saw something...
joe rogan
That's a very...
How the fuck can they measure him right?
You know what the problem with that is?
Wrestling.
They lie.
You know?
unidentified
6'11, 3,000 pounds of twisted steel.
joe rogan
They lie just to make guys look bigger.
But that guy was, like, legitimately enormous.
Like, in a real wrestling match, he would beat everybody.
tony hinchcliffe
I also heard a thing that that big body slam that was, like, from the big WrestleMania 2 where Hulk Hogan body slams the ultimate bad guy, Andre the Giant.
joe rogan
Right.
tony hinchcliffe
And it's like you could tell Andre the Giant jumps into it with all of his might and Hogan's just trying to...
joe rogan
Yeah.
tony hinchcliffe
All he needs to do is go like that.
joe rogan
It's amazing that he could even hold him up, though.
tony hinchcliffe
And he said that when he did that, he could feel every disc in his back just go...
joe rogan
Hulk Hogan?
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah, and then he laid down Andre the Giant.
He was just so glad that that was the end of the match because...
joe rogan
He ruined his back there.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
His back is fucked up now, right?
He's had surgery.
tony hinchcliffe
All these guys are unbelievable warriors because they were doing it every night in sold-out arenas.
joe rogan
People don't realize that.
tony hinchcliffe
Right.
They had to put on a show.
They were going nonstop.
Even Piper, just six or seven months ago, he was by the store.
He would come in once in a while every few days for just then.
Anyway, he kept going, oh, my shoulder's sore.
My shoulder's sore.
I'm going to the doctor on Wednesday.
I still worked out for four hours today, but my shoulder's sore.
He ended up finding out that he had technically broken his neck.
He had a broken neck, and the doctor's like, it's not your shoulder, it's your neck, and it's broken.
joe rogan
So it was like probably pinching a nerve, and the nerve was hurting his shoulder.
tony hinchcliffe
These guys are so tough in real life that, to him, oh, a sore shoulder.
joe rogan
Yeah, do people give a fuck about wrestling anymore?
tony hinchcliffe
Oh yeah.
joe rogan
They still do, right?
It's still very popular.
tony hinchcliffe
Unbelievable.
joe rogan
I keep seeing like CM Punk and all these people and all these pictures and videos.
tony hinchcliffe
What's crazy is that, you know, most people don't know this, but like Monday Night Raw, for example, which is the premiere weekly show.
joe rogan
Someone's a wrestling fan.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
tony hinchcliffe
But it's been number one on Monday.
It's held Monday nights forever.
joe rogan
How the fuck do you know this?
And why the fuck do you know this?
unidentified
That's what I'm saying.
tony hinchcliffe
What's going on here, Tony?
When I was a kid, I was into wrestling.
unidentified
So was I. And then I grew up and I got pubic hair.
joe rogan
Oh shit.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
Can't believe you went there.
tony hinchcliffe
Me too, and I still like wrestling a little bit.
joe rogan
He still has pubic hair, dude.
Stop being an asshole.
tony hinchcliffe
I haven't watched wrestling.
joe rogan
What you're doing is cyberbullying right now.
brian redban
No, I've been giving them a hard time because they all had a wrestling party.
tony hinchcliffe
Our buddy got WrestleMania, and he has a giant screen.
And it's funny, too.
joe rogan
Did you guys take your clothes off?
tony hinchcliffe
Yes.
joe rogan
Did you reenact the moves with lube in your mouth?
Hey, what do you think about this CISPA thing, the bill that passed the House?
unidentified
It's fucked up.
tony hinchcliffe
It's crazy.
Very scary.
joe rogan
If you guys don't know about it, the House of Representatives passed CISPA, which is the Cyber Intelligence Sharing and Protection Act, by a 288 to 127 vote And it's – the idea is supposedly that it's meant to enhance national security by facilitating the sharing of electronic information between like this – I'll quote it – between say a private company and the government.
This is a story from Mediate.com.
And the way they describe it is that if the government – like, say, if a private company and the government deem threatening the bill's opponents maintain, it will make sharing of personal private information far too easy.
So this – I guess the idea is – what is the main – The main idea behind this bill is that they're going to be able to see every website you've ever visited.
Every website will be able to share the information of different people that have gone to them.
Is that what it is?
unidentified
You know, I have no idea what the exact specific thing is, but yeah, it seems like that's what everyone's talking about.
But can it be vetoed by Obama?
joe rogan
I don't know because he didn't veto the NDAA. I mean Obama is a hilarious kind of situation because he's super intelligent.
He's half black.
He's, you know, from a single-parent household, but he still, like, votes just like the Republicans do.
And he still does stuff that the Republicans did.
Like, it's really strange.
It's like, if he was a white guy, people would be fucking furious.
If he was a white guy of privileged background and he made the choices that he's made as far as, like, bailing out the banks, as far as passing the NDAA, not vetoing it, All these different things that have happened, the drones, all these different things that have happened while he was in office, if he was a white guy of privilege, he would be getting crucified.
It's fascinating.
It's almost like the perfect plan.
Like if you were a military strategist and you were trying to take over the company, you would do it with a...
A situation like that.
You wouldn't just go get some super elite rich guy.
You would get some guy who you would associate automatically with progressive, liberal sensibilities.
And then you'd do all that creepy shit right under everybody's nose.
tony hinchcliffe
It's really interesting.
His big slogan was change.
And looking back on it now, it's like...
joe rogan
Well, he changed a little.
The drone attacks went from 50 up to like 300...
It's changed a lot in Pakistan.
It's not funny, but fuck, man.
I don't know.
It just seems like if he really could change things, if he really could influence this society, how's the time to do something?
Instead of just these speeches, sort of reactionary speeches dealing with each and every issue, whether it's Sandy Hook or whether it's this Boston thing, like...
I wonder what, if anything, could be done to sort of enact a change in a culture, a plea for a change in a culture.
And if anybody could do that, it's got to be the president.
And the president addresses, he does these national speeches where he addresses policies, and he addresses National affairs as far as security affairs and threats and various things along those lines.
But what this country really fucking needs, they need a different...
Not a different person, but a different mantra.
We need a new way of looking at things.
We need a speech.
We need something that gets people believing.
We need an I have a dream.
That I have a dream...
Martin Luther King's speech, to this day that shit resonates.
No one's doing the I have a dream today.
Everyone's doing the we're all gonna get along and change and hope and, you know, and make it more affordable and healthcare for everyone and gay marriage, yay!
No one has a speech about uniting humanity and getting us to understand that our lives really are truly only better when people around us lives are better as well.
And that united, there's enough resources for everybody.
There's enough love for everybody.
There's enough health for everybody.
There really is.
It's just the current system and the current ideology that we have is not based on the reality that we're an expiring life form.
And that we have a temporary time here on this planet.
And to waste it not being aware of the full reality of the situation is a shame.
And a guy like Obama has the opportunity to do that.
But he doesn't ever say anything like that.
He never says anything that really inspires people to look at it in a completely different way.
He never says anything like, I think you have to if you're in a position to be the fucking president of the United States.
That's a position very few human beings ever get to reach.
I mean, maybe he will when he's leaving.
Maybe he will once he leaves.
Maybe you can't when you're there.
I mean, who knows?
I mean, maybe it really is an incredibly restrictive environment and he has no room to free ball and no room to go outside of what they want him to distribute his policy.
I don't know.
I mean, I don't know what the fuck the situation's like, but if this world ever needed someone to speak up...
And someone to just make some fucking sense.
Someone to make some sense and not talk politics.
You know, not talk religion.
Just talk humanity.
Not talk nationalistic.
Not talk conflict.
Just make some sense.
unidentified
Well, I guess this is the, you know, this same bill was vetoed last year by the White House.
And it looks like You know, it's just one of those things that's just poorly written and everyone knows it type thing.
joe rogan
So was the NDAA, unfortunately.
tony hinchcliffe
And it passed really hard through Congress, though.
That's the thing, is it didn't pass as hard in Congress the first time.
joe rogan
Well, I think that a lot of...
tony hinchcliffe
I read something about it this morning.
joe rogan
A lot of the way the government's set up – and I'm obviously not an expert on government – but I know that a lot of the way it's set up is that we have representatives and we can't all be there while policy is being dictated.
So our representatives go there and they make sure that everything represents their constituents.
But clearly, a better way to do all that is the internet.
If anybody needed to be phased out, it's the majority of politicians that are involved in making laws.
Those guys can get all new jobs.
tony hinchcliffe
Have you seen House of Cards?
joe rogan
No, I haven't.
I heard it's awesome.
tony hinchcliffe
This show shows you what's actually happening in Washington.
joe rogan
In a real TV show that somebody made up?
tony hinchcliffe
Oh, it's unbelievable.
joe rogan
It shows you.
tony hinchcliffe
You realize what they're dealing with, what they're actually doing.
And it's all just...
joe rogan
Is it awesome?
tony hinchcliffe
It's all just deals.
The show's unbelievable.
I mean, Kevin Spacey...
joe rogan
I heard he's a bad motherfucker.
tony hinchcliffe
He breaks the third wall or whatever and just starts looking at the camera telling you what he's thinking in the middle of the scenes.
It's pretty sweet.
Really?
joe rogan
Does everyone else freeze in the background?
Or freeze like they're playing a game?
tony hinchcliffe
Sort of, pretty much.
They're still, you know, they blur out.
But then it's just him just, you know, he'll be across a meeting table from somebody like, here's what I'm about to do.
And they don't know it, but here's how I'm going to do it.
Watch this.
joe rogan
Oh, wow.
tony hinchcliffe
And it's amazing.
It's really just politicking.
You learn a lot about, you know, even show business and networking overall from how these politicians operate because that's all that they're doing is playing gossip games and texting.
joe rogan
It's a broken system and they're all criminals keeping us from the internet.
That's what it is.
They're trying to tighten down on this fucking system and what they don't want to do is admit that this could all be handled way better with voting online.
Let's do it that way.
Every person has an ID. Every ID is just like your fucking social security nut card.
You can only do it once.
Boom.
And you vote online.
tony hinchcliffe
Yep.
And when that happens, that's when things will get good.
joe rogan
You can't control that, bitch.
You can't control that.
They'll never allow something like that.
They will fight it to death.
That literally might be where the revolution lies, is getting people to vote online.
Because they would essentially be giving up all of their tricks that they've been using over the past decades to manipulate how our people are picked, how our president's picked, how laws are passed.
All that shit has been manipulated.
tony hinchcliffe
Everything should be done to popular vote now.
joe rogan
Yeah, isn't that a fascinating idea that they would so try hard, they would try so fucking hard to avoid.
Yeah, that would be like a real tipping point in this country when we really realize we're being run by vampires.
tony hinchcliffe
Oh yeah.
joe rogan
Like how quickly they would fucking shriek into the dark corners of the room when you open the drapes and take a good look at the real scenario.
They're not trying to like give the people what they want.
They're trying to profit off the current system.
The current corrupt system as in place.
God damn it, Tony, you need to Right.
You're a clean young man.
You can run for president.
You're very likable.
tony hinchcliffe
I could probably pull it off.
joe rogan
You think you could?
tony hinchcliffe
There was a period of time when I was a kid and I wanted to, but...
joe rogan
You wanted to be president at one point in time?
tony hinchcliffe
For a little moment.
joe rogan
Did you fall on your head or something?
What made you want to be president?
Did you get sick?
Were you delirious?
tony hinchcliffe
No, I thought it was just...
I was very, very young.
I thought it was glamorous.
joe rogan
Did you have the fever?
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah, the president's fever.
joe rogan
He had the president's fever.
tony hinchcliffe
You know, when we all go through that.
joe rogan
Oh, it's gone.
16 years ago.
Lying in your bed, dying.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah, I got obsessed with...
There was a period where, as a kid, I was obsessed with the Declaration of Independence and how it came to be.
I remember reading a whole book about John Hancock.
Then I started practicing my signature all the time because I was obsessed with John Hancock.
I thought that was so cool that this guy had the balls to be like, here you go, here I am, and I did this.
joe rogan
Who would be the first person to be president that doesn't have the fake president voice?
Who would be the first person that just talks to everybody?
tony hinchcliffe
The person who changes the world.
joe rogan
Who doesn't have a way of speaking with long, fake pauses.
What I believe, what I believe for you, and for me, and for our great nation, is that we must unite.
Imagine if that guy...
unidentified
It is.
tony hinchcliffe
It's so bizarre.
joe rogan
...if that fucking guy was over your house.
Be like, bitch, why are you talking like that?
Why are you talking in this fake, stupid voice?
But you get away with that when it's a big group of people and you're a politician.
We know that you're talking in the fakest, most old-school way possible.
You might as well be in the theater, you dummy.
You might as well be in the theater back when they didn't have microphones, when they used to have to shout out their stupid lines.
unidentified
Can you imagine a strip club DJ being the president?
joe rogan
Imagine a strip club DJ with no microphones.
unidentified
Coming up to the main stage, it's Diamond!
joe rogan
And then a bunch of banjo players behind have the music because you don't have electricity.
unidentified
Today our country had a bomb threat.
joe rogan
I got more information or more evidence to the poor people that think that I'm in league with the devil.
I wore this t-shirt on Fox.
It was the Wild and Wonderful Whites of West Virginia.
When I ordered the DVD, they found out we talked about it on the podcast.
So the people that make it, they sent me these cool t-shirts.
And one of them was that famous picture of Nixon meeting Elvis with his shaking hands.
But they replaced Elvis' head with Jessica White and Nixon with the devil himself.
And it says, like, the devil in cell, Jesco.
And I wore it on Fox, and I got like a hundred tweets going, what the fuck are you wearing on TV? I didn't even think about it.
But for a good portion of this knucklehead country, if you have a shirt on that has a devil's face and it says the devil, like, these dummies actually think that you, like, you're down with the devil.
Like, the devil.
That's where we draw the line in this kooky country.
Even, you know, even religious people.
Like, you can say that you believe in God.
You're allowed to say that...
You're even allowed to say that God talked to me.
You know, I saw a guy say that the other day.
It didn't even bother me.
There was a guy that was in Austin, Texas.
There was a guy that was at a red light, and he was begging.
He had a, you know, cardboard thing out.
And the guy in the car rolled down the window and said, Hey, man, God just talked to me and told me I should give you this.
And he gave the guy 20 bucks.
That doesn't bother me.
But if the guy rolled down that window and said, hey man, I was just speaking to Satan, and he thought you could use this to party with.
You're not talking to Satan.
Anybody who believes in Satan is an asshole.
Like, you're allowed to believe in God, but if you say you believe in Satan, everybody tells you to go fuck yourself.
You have to be, like, way deep in cuckoo for Cocoa Pops to actually believe in Satan.
tony hinchcliffe
To believe in the bad guy, I mean.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Have you ever met someone who actually believed in Satan and you didn't know that they believed in Satan until you got to know them?
And then you're like, ah, shit.
tony hinchcliffe
I feel like I've met a couple people that really wanted to be different and like couldn't pull it off though.
You know, they don't have the commitment.
joe rogan
I met a girl once, and she was with her sister.
And it was a total innocent conversation, you know, nothing crazy got said.
It was totally normal.
And she brought up something, I think it had to do with gay marriage.
I think it had to do with that.
And it was something about a bill being passed.
And this was many, many years ago, so my memory's a little foggy.
But I do remember this.
Whatever the controversy was, she said, she goes, it's not God's way.
And I said, I remember like stopping and like all of a sudden going, whoa, what happened with this conversation?
Like, what did you just say?
It's not God's way.
Like, how do you know what God's way is?
Do you really talk to God or like, where are you getting this from?
And she goes, oh, that Satan's, his scales have covered your eyes.
She actually said that to me.
His scales have covered, and I'll never forget me looking at her and her sister and going, damn, you crazy bitches.
And the girl was, she was so pretty too.
Like, oh my God, she's beautiful.
She was like Latin or something like that.
I was like, oh, you crazy bitches.
Well, you guys take care.
I was like, we can't even talk.
You really think that Satan has scales and he puts them over your eyes?
We have so much work to do here.
I'm not taking on this project.
Just to communicate with you and get you to a point of rational, objective thinking, we take three, four mushroom trips, right?
unidentified
Have you heard of a guy named Peter Popoff?
He's a pastor of his televangelist guys.
joe rogan
What did he do?
Blow somebody?
unidentified
I saw him the other day.
brian redban
I was sleeping on the couch and I woke up and he had one of those shows on, paid shows, commercials.
unidentified
And I was amazed what woke me up because I was kind of like half listening to it while I was sleeping.
What was amazed is how the things that they say in it, it just seemed illegal.
brian redban
They were like, we're going to send you some miracle water.
unidentified
This water is miracle water.
You're going to open up these envelopes.
brian redban
And then they start showing testimonials of people, and they're like, you know, I sent in my, or I read the letters, and then just a week later, I got a new house and a car.
unidentified
And then the next person was like, I got $200,000.
brian redban
And then this other one was like, a guy just walked up and gave me a check for $15 million.
unidentified
And it was like the most faking shit ever.
And so then I started really researching this guy, and there's all these videos about him online.
brian redban
I guess he's been ripping people off for a long time, and one of the best videos is one where he just goes up and he goes, where's so-and-so?
unidentified
So-and-so's here.
Let's say Tina, Tina Fey, where are you at?
And then she comes up and goes, I heard you have arthritis.
brian redban
And you're here because you want to get rid of this arthritis and stuff like that.
unidentified
And the whole time his wife is just pumping information.
Yeah, there was a whole show.
joe rogan
She had a thing on.
It was on one of those 2020s or something like that.
I know we talked about this in the past, I believe.
unidentified
Have we?
joe rogan
I'm pretty sure.
Maybe it was on another podcast.
unidentified
But I was amazed that he's still allowed to do this.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Well, that guy...
unidentified
Name one that's not.
joe rogan
It's almost like it's so ridiculous.
It's like the most ridiculous hustle ever.
It's like, who are they tricking?
The only people they're tricking are like, they're almost like mentally challenged.
tony hinchcliffe
Oh yeah.
People with no hope.
Just robots.
When you're down to being convinced that there's a miracle water out there that is going to come in the mail via the postal service and it's going to...
joe rogan
It's going to change your fortune.
tony hinchcliffe
Right.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's one of these things.
Somewhere along the line, they used to ask for donations, but then somewhere along the line, they realized that they could sell things.
And they started selling holy water and selling prayer services and telling people that you would plant a seed.
So if you spend $90, it's your last $90, it would come back to you in tenfold.
The Bible says...
And it would come out with some crazy fucking...
What's that guy, Creflo Dollar?
He's my favorite.
Because he's got a dollar in his name.
I mean, you're a pastor and your fucking name is Dollar.
What's your real name?
tony hinchcliffe
They all have weird names.
That guy's like Peter Popoff.
Have you ever met any other Popoffs before?
joe rogan
This guy's got to have a different real name, though.
He must have a real name.
What's his real name?
Wow, his real name is Creflo Augustus Dollar Jr. Wow, this is his real fucking name.
He's got a Bachelor of Science in Education.
He's out there talking shit, smacking people.
My favorite is Robert Tilton.
You know who he is?
You've probably seen him.
There's a viral video of him farting.
He talks in tongues a lot on a show, too.
He'll go...
unidentified
It's hilarious.
joe rogan
See if you can pull up Robert Tilton talking in tongues.
Because it's some of the most ridiculous shit ever.
But I'll never forget this one thing that he said.
He said, every time you write a check to me, Satan gets a black eye.
But doesn't part of you think that if you're dumb enough to send him that money, like, so what?
So a guy got you with the dumbest trick of all time.
Like, you really thought that money was going to God?
You really thought that money was going to give the devil a black eye?
If you really thought that, you're fucking stupid.
I'm not looking after you.
tony hinchcliffe
Right.
brian redban
One of the things that Peter Poffoff does, he also sends you a barley cake from the Bible, where it's kind of like the little bread you eat.
And he goes, He goes in this commercial, he goes, and we make it with the exact ingredients that they say in the Bible and blah, blah, blah.
But then if you look up Ezekiel 4.12 in the Bible, it says, And you should eat it as barley cakes and bake it using fuel of human waste.
unidentified
Fuel of human waste?
joe rogan
Wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute.
No, it doesn't.
unidentified
You want to bet?
Type in Ezekiel 412. E-Z-E-K-I... Hold on, hold on.
E-Z-E-K-I... E-L. E-L. 420?
412. 412. Yeah, you're thinking about the weed law.
tony hinchcliffe
Ezekiel 412. It's been a long time since I read up on my good old Ezekiels.
So this is all new to me.
joe rogan
Bake it with dung that cometh out of man in their sight.
unidentified
Hold on a second.
Hold on a second.
Oh my God.
joe rogan
And thou shalt bake it with dung that cometh out of man in their sight.
But it's in the Bible.
It's in the Bible.
unidentified
You need to study the Bible and cook your bread with shit.
tony hinchcliffe
Have you ever tried my poo-poo barley cake?
joe rogan
Can you fucking imagine how dumb people are?
That really hurts my brain.
Do you know Ezekiel?
Ezekiel might have been a tripper because Ezekiel was also where the first depictions of UFOs came from.
Hey, let me pull that up.
Yeah, Ezekiel was known for – there's a Bible quote that people bring up all the time when it's a UFO. I bet people were seeing a lot of things after eating shit.
Yeah, they're eating fucking shit cakes all day, throwing up, almost dying.
It was a wheel within a wheel.
It was God's chariot.
unidentified
There was guys with boats that had all the animals.
tony hinchcliffe
You think we should prepare the barley cake in a different way?
No, no, it's great.
joe rogan
I'm trying to find this quote.
unidentified
Tastes so shitty.
joe rogan
What a stupid fucking culture.
Cook it with shit.
Okay, Dad.
Should I write that down on paper?
Yes, for thou art my son.
brian redban
Because I got so obsessed with this minister that so when I found that out, I had tweeted something like Olive Garden was like Ezekiel 412 or something like that.
And all these people got pissed off that I was doing Bible scriptures.
joe rogan
Oh, that's hilarious.
Well, they read that though.
unidentified
Yeah, they figured it out.
joe rogan
How do you not read that and just start laughing?
You're telling me to cook shitcakes.
The Bible says cook shitcakes.
That's just one more dumb thing in the Bible.
God damn, I'm so tired of people pretending that book's awesome.
I'm so tired.
You stop.
That shit's stupid.
Okay, here's a quote.
And I looked, and behold, a whirlwind came out of the north, a great cloud, and a fire enfolding itself in brightness was about it, and out of the midst thereof, as the color of amber out of the midst of the fire.
Okay, how's that UFO? Hmm.
unidentified
That's...
Somebody putting two points together that don't go together, probably.
joe rogan
Ooh, wait a minute.
This, though.
Hold on.
Listen to this.
Also out of the midst thereof came the likeness of four living creatures, and this was their appearance.
They had the likeness of a man.
Whoa.
And everyone had four faces and everyone had four wings.
And their feet were straight and the sole of their feet was like the sole of a calf's foot.
And they sparkled like the color of burnished brass.
What a trippy book.
People are like, oh my god, it's so real.
I hear God's words when you're saying these things.
God is speaking to me through your words.
Please read on.
And they had the hands of man under their wings on their four sides.
And they four had their faces in their wings.
Somebody might have just made all this up.
And me, like an asshole, is reading these fake Bible quotes shitting all over the Bible.
tony hinchcliffe
And the aliens came up.
joe rogan
But guess what?
I don't care.
I'm not reading any further.
It seems like if this really is Ezekiel's, it says it is.
God damn it.
It's all nuttiness.
tony hinchcliffe
They walked up with their four faces and they said, why are you guys cooking things in shit?
joe rogan
And the living creatures ran and returned as the appearance of a flash of lightning.
Now as I behold the living creatures, behold one wheel upon the earth by the living creatures with his four faces.
These guys were tripping hard, eating shitcakes.
tony hinchcliffe
Oh yeah.
joe rogan
Losing their mind.
What grows on shit?
tony hinchcliffe
Mushrooms.
joe rogan
That's right.
Leave your shitcakes out.
They're covered with mushrooms.
Eat your shitcakes.
Trip your balls off.
Start talking nutty, man.
When those went, these went.
And when those stood still, these stood.
And when those were lifted up from the earth, the wheels were lifted up.
That guy is...
This is glossolalia.
That guy's just...
That's word salad.
That guy's high as fuck.
He's just rambling high as fuck on shitcakes.
tony hinchcliffe
I saw the same thing in Joshua Tree one time.
joe rogan
This is the stuff, by the way, that they kept in.
You know?
I mean, think about that.
Like, especially in the New Testament.
The New Testament, they had to, like, have, like, meetings.
Yeah, editors.
What's in there?
Can you leave this?
Too crazy.
unidentified
If you look at that Ezekiel 412 quote now, it's totally changed.
It has nothing to do.
Really?
Like, it's completely different.
joe rogan
Oh, they've altered the quote?
Well, you know, it also, it's probably so hard.
If you talk to a linguist.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
You know, I talked to a language scholar the other day, ironically enough, for a Bigfoot show.
And, um...
If you talk to a linguist, they'll tell you that it started off, it was a spoken story for the longest time before anyone even wrote it down.
And the Bible, many of the stories in the Bible probably existed before language or before written language.
So like a lot of the stories in the Bible also, they're like really similar to the same stories of ancient Mesopotamia.
tony hinchcliffe
Oh yeah.
joe rogan
And like Sumer and like...
The Epic of Gilgamesh is really close to the Epic of Noah's Ark.
It's really a lot of similarities in a lot of the stories.
So they had to write it down.
They wrote it down in probably, let's say the first shit was the Sumerians.
So they wrote it down in, I think it's called cuneiform or cuneiform.
They wrote it down in that and then eventually it became ancient Hebrew.
And then they got to translate it, ancient Hebrew to Latin, and then it was translated to Greek, and it was translated to English.
Like, they had to fuck it up in a lot of ways along the way.
I mean, you're dealing with some wacky-ass languages.
I mean, how many people even exist that know how to convert all that shit?
unidentified
Yeah.
A lot of the languages are lost.
joe rogan
Yeah.
And when they go over the Dead Sea Scrolls is the real trip factory.
Read some of the shit that's in the Dead Sea Scrolls.
The Dead Sea Scrolls are the oldest version of the Bible by far.
By almost a thousand years, I think.
And it was found in a place called Qumran in these caves in the side of a mountain, like the side of a hill.
And these caves have these clay pots and in them were these, they're literally made out of animal skins.
And it's the oldest stories of the Bible.
And it's all trippy fucking shit.
It's all, you read it and you go, it makes Ezekiel sound normal.
tony hinchcliffe
Right.
joe rogan
And it's so nutty that even though it's the oldest version of the Bible, they're very resistant to release it.
And they like to say, well, we're going to revise the Bible now according to the Dead Sea Scrolls.
They're like, you know what?
We've been reading this for a while.
Maybe we need to fucking just bury this bitch.
That's where that guy, John Marco Allegro...
Who's the Dead Sea Scrolls guy.
He was the head translator for the Dead Sea Scrolls.
He said the whole thing was about mushrooms.
He wrote a book called The Sacred Mushroom and the Cross.
He was the only scholar on the whole Dead Sea Scrolls committee that was agnostic.
He was an ordained minister, but then studying theology, he realized it was horseshit.
You leaving, boo-boo?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Say goodbye to the people.
unidentified
Bye guys.
joe rogan
We're going to wrap this up soon.
Anyway, we've got to get out of here too.
I've got to go see the premiere of Sirius, the Dr. Stephen Greer documentary, where he reveals the truth about the tiny little alien baby and whether or not it came from the planet Uranus.
brian redban
Will you please text me immediately or live text me during it?
unidentified
I need to know what's going on with this little alien.
joe rogan
I will text you, but it is a show only for you.
I will save the rest of it for when we talk on air.
So do not expect live tweets or spoilers.
I'm fascinated.
I actually talked to a really cool guy today at a video game company that saw it last night.
He said it was really interesting.
So I'm going to get high as fuck and we're going to see what's up.
Later, buddy.
See you tomorrow, man.
George St. Pierre tomorrow.
Yeah.
So this Dead Sea Scrolls, this guy, John Marco Allegro, said after like 14 years of study that the entire Christian religion was really about fertility rituals and mushrooms.
It was about tripping balls on psychedelic mushrooms, and it was about fertility treatments, or fertility festivals, and that they would, fertility rituals, and that becoming pregnant was the most important thing.
Keeping a baby alive was really difficult, and becoming pregnant and having a child was the most important thing that they all looked forward to.
There was a serious urgency to having children because People were fragile, you know?
And they also knew a lot about the indigenous psychedelic plants, and especially what they think the Amanita muscaria mushroom, he thinks, was one of the big ones, and that these people just didn't want anybody else to know about it, so they hid their stories.
They hid them in parables, and they hid their history of the use of this stuff.
Really interesting stuff, and I'm way too stupid to understand whether he's right or whether the other people are right.
But the guy is a legit scholar.
You know, he's not a stoner.
He's not like one of those guys that's trying to justify mushroom use.
tony hinchcliffe
There is something, the times that I've tried mushrooms, in which, I know it sounds stereotypical, but I really think there's something there.
I mean, there's, like, definitely beyond science and rationale and what I've been told to expect and this and that.
There's something extra wild about them.
And, uh...
You know, nothing's really that great as when you can really enjoy that.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tony hinchcliffe
And it makes for everything.
I mean, luckily, you know, they're finally coming out with these studies that are showing what it's doing for depression and anxiety.
And it's a supernatural cure at times for people, even with what they called...
When it's a lifelong diagnosis, chronic depression, people have bounced out of it.
When they thought that they were going to be miserable for the rest of their lives, it's like, oh.
joe rogan
It's a real consciousness reset button.
A real one.
A real one.
Not just like bowing your head and pretending you feel better.
It's real.
It's legit.
Listen to some of the shit that's in the Dead Sea Scrolls.
By the way, there's people that are working really hard to try to turn that around.
It was like the John Hopkins study.
Yeah.
My friend Aubrey was just at MAPS, the psychedelic meeting, whatever the hell it is.
I forget what the...
What does that stand for?
MAPS. Let me see.
MAPS psychedelic.
I should know.
Because they're doing a lot of really good work and letting people know.
They're a multidisciplinary association for psychedelic studies.
And they're hitting them with hard science over and over and over again and showing how many people it could be beneficial for.
And a lot of the people that are trying to hold it back, those people that are trying to hold it back, it would be beneficial to them as well.
So what people don't understand is that your desire for your resistance to psychedelics is the very reason you need psychedelics in the first place.
If you really understood what you were resisting, you're really holding God back.
You really want to believe in God?
Take six grams of mushrooms.
You'll see them.
You'll really party with them.
You'll hang out with them.
Do DMT. You'll meet God, for sure.
It sounds crazy.
It sounds like an idiot saying it, and I agree.
It sounds like an idiot, and it's me.
I agree with you, but...
I think it's probably exactly what Ezekiel was talking about in that story.
I bet he was tripping his balls off.
tony hinchcliffe
Oh yeah.
joe rogan
He had some crazy psychedelic experience.
He probably ate some mushrooms or, you know, the Moses burning bush.
Scholars to this day, actively in Jerusalem, there's a movement for scholars to recognize the possibility that Moses was on psychedelic drugs.
And that's one of the reasons why it's all a burning bush.
Like one of the big bushes that they That they associate with that area is the acacia tree.
The acacia bush, rich in DMT. And if they figured out how to extract that shit and smoke it, Burning Bush is right there.
Yeah, he met God.
He found out the Ten Commandments.
It sounds like what God would say if you're high on DMT. All those Ten Commandments, they sound pretty right.
Yeah, don't fuck your neighbor's wife.
Don't kill anybody.
Be nice.
Yeah, it sounds like what DMT would tell you.
Like, it literally is exactly what DMT would tell you translated through the filters of time of thousands of years of various languages.
But if some guy had some breakthrough experience back then that was trying to enlighten all the people around him, That's what he would say.
I came back from God.
God gave me this message.
And then over X amount of years of idiots talking about it would, no, no, no, he wrote it on stone tablets.
Well, how did he know it was God's word?
Well, God gave him giant stone.
I mean, when people exaggerate and tell stories, of course, a good 1,000 years of people explaining what happened, they're going to fuck it up and butcher it.
It just makes sense.
tony hinchcliffe
What was the name of that Mel Brooks movie?
It's one of my favorite scenes in comedy history when Mel Brooks is playing Moses and he comes around the corner with three tablets and goes, My lord, I give to you these fifteen, and he drops one.
These ten commandments.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tony hinchcliffe
So funny.
joe rogan
This is a fucking fascinating...
These quotes, I mean, again, I can't tell you if these quotes are really from the actual Dead Sea Scrolls, but it's really wild, crazy shit.
It's just hard to understand.
How do you translate things to English?
Because it's not...
You're also trying to, like, display the intent with a completely different style of communicating, you know?
Like, the style of communicating that they had back then is probably so alien to us, like, socially.
And so they try to alter it to get it to fit into how we feel they would communicate if they lived today.
I'm like, oh, God.
That sounds like a cult leader.
Sounds like a dude who's trying to get his dick sucked, and he knows where all the gold is.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah, life everlasting.
That's a hard promise to keep.
joe rogan
Who knows if that's what it's really said, though.
That's the really fascinating stuff about all this really ancient shit.
It's like piecing together the past.
So fucking hard to figure out what anybody really said.
This stuff that I've been telling you about this Dan Carlin's Hardcore History that I've been listening to for the past couple of months, they don't even know what Genghis Khan looked like.
They don't know what he looked like.
They don't know where they buried him.
They don't have any direct quotes from him.
They have quotes from people that met with Russian historians, emissaries.
Diplomats that met to demand things before the Mongols descended upon them.
They don't know shit about this guy.
tony hinchcliffe
I read a thing about that exactly, that they hired 50 people to bury Genghis Khan, and then they hired 100 people to kill those 50 people so that nobody knew where he was buried.
Then they hired 500 people to kill those 100 people to kill the 50 people in case any of them told them a thing.
And they would just ambush these groups of people that were under their own command in order to protect the secret of Genghis Khan.
joe rogan
They're bad motherfuckers.
They were willing to take it to a level that human beings today can never conceive of.
tony hinchcliffe
That's all I do now is I absorb all these histories.
It's unbelievable.
unidentified
It's amazing.
tony hinchcliffe
And now with the internet, you can go non-stop, tangent to tangent to tangent.
You can forget what originally got you there.
Next thing, you could just be on the different scope of the universe.
joe rogan
For some reason, tragic events of 12 A.D. don't bother me as much as Boston of 2013. I stopped reading about the Boston tragedy.
I'm hearing about this guy lost his legs and these people were permanently injured and this person died.
It's so depressing.
But for whatever reason, I can read about Genghis Khan or listen to this audio tape about Genghis Khan.
It doesn't bother me.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
We don't know how...
People are terrible.
They're capable of such horrible, horrible behavior.
We're not used to it.
We're not around it that often.
You have to see something happen to just understand, oh yeah, there's some of us out there that are just fucking nuts, man.
tony hinchcliffe
It's just in the evolution of things.
It's hard to get all the way clear after a thousand years ago, the Mongoloids were killing tens of thousands.
joe rogan
It's not the Mongoloids.
tony hinchcliffe
Wait, what was it?
joe rogan
The Mongols!
tony hinchcliffe
Oh, whatever.
joe rogan
You can't say whatever, man.
They'll come get you.
Genghis Khan is like their hero.
I mean, imagine, like, that's a guy that's in your past.
You know, we talk about, what did your ancestors do?
Oh, really?
My answer was Genghis Khan.
My ancestor killed everybody.
Because Genghis Khan fucked so many people that he's responsible for, like, a giant percentage of the DNA in that area.
Like, he's in something like 5%.
His DNA is in some...
I just made that number up, by the way.
And I'm not even going to Google it, okay?
Because it's not that fucking important.
What am I, a historian?
Go look for yourself, you fucks.
But if you want to find out...
Get that Dan Carlin's Hardcore History.
I can't recommend it enough.
The guy puts a tremendous amount of work into these podcasts.
I really respect his work ethic.
I'm fucking fascinated by it, man.
unidentified
Genghis Khan was a motherfucker, dude.
joe rogan
You know what I'm saying, Tony Hinchcliffe?
tony hinchcliffe
Oh yeah, definitely.
joe rogan
So what's next for you, buddy, except besides Wednesday night at the Ice House.
tony hinchcliffe
Can't wait for Wednesday night.
joe rogan
With Burt Kreischer and Tommy Segura and Brian Redman.
Jesus, Louisa.
tony hinchcliffe
I love it.
I'm very excited.
joe rogan
We're going to have some fun.
What else is going on for you?
Are you still working on Jeff Ross' show?
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah, we're in between seasons right now.
Hopefully season three will be released soon.
The burn on Comedy Central.
joe rogan
And you're one of the writers over there.
unidentified
Yep.
joe rogan
So if you see something really offensive, most likely...
That guy wrote it.
tony hinchcliffe
You know who did it.
joe rogan
Tony Hinchcliffe.
He doesn't give a fuck.
tony hinchcliffe
Even if I didn't write for it, I fought for it to be on the show.
joe rogan
He's born gangster.
Look at him.
Look at him.
tony hinchcliffe
It's true, I am.
unidentified
He does not give a fuck.
joe rogan
Came out here from Ohio to make it in the dark world.
tony hinchcliffe
It's true.
joe rogan
You from Columbus?
tony hinchcliffe
Originally from Youngstown, an Italian city between Chicago and New York.
joe rogan
I know where that is.
I did comedy there.
I did comedy in this club.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah, the funny farm.
joe rogan
Yeah, and the stage was in the back and there was a disco in the front.
And the disco was like...
Well, it wasn't the highest end, this guy, you know?
tony hinchcliffe
It's at a Holiday Inn, I do believe.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
And it was like all this music was playing.
Every time the back door would open, you would hear...
And then it would close, and then you would go back to your act, and it would be like literally this quiet.
And then the door would open, so it was just constant open and shut.
And to pee, you had to go that way.
I think.
I might have made that up too.
But I remember it wasn't a good gig.
tony hinchcliffe
That club was notoriously...
Not really.
joe rogan
Did you ever do it?
tony hinchcliffe
No.
joe rogan
Never?
tony hinchcliffe
Never.
joe rogan
How dare you?
tony hinchcliffe
Started out here.
joe rogan
Did you want to go back?
Did you just let everybody know?
tony hinchcliffe
I went back a couple times when I first started and did pretty big shows at a different bar, but I was at a bar.
joe rogan
Oh, you just did like you booked your own thing?
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
Look at you, you fucking stud.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
Who'd you do it with?
Did you bring somebody?
tony hinchcliffe
It was just me, actually.
joe rogan
Just you by yourself?
tony hinchcliffe
Yep.
joe rogan
You're a savage.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah, I have a great group of friends back in Youngstown.
joe rogan
How much time do you have altogether?
tony hinchcliffe
Well, altogether it's weird because no matter what I'm trying to do, I always go off on tangents and whatever.
So I have to end up doing less than my goal anyway.
joe rogan
That's a good problem to have.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
Yeah, it is.
joe rogan
You get that problem when you do a lot of comedy.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
Gotta do a lot of comedy.
I can't wait.
How many days a week are you going out?
tony hinchcliffe
Every night.
joe rogan
That's how you do it, buddy.
tony hinchcliffe
Some nights, like last week I had a couple nights where it was three shows in one night.
joe rogan
Damn.
tony hinchcliffe
Just flying around just doing it.
joe rogan
Isn't it amazing when you do that?
Because comedy becomes part of your DNA. It really gets in that groove.
It's hard to do.
It's hard to do.
I find I balance.
I like to do that.
I never like to do every night.
I like to do three or four nights a week.
Then I like to take nights a week off and not even think about comedy and just write.
Where I don't even entertain the idea of going on stage.
I just go over ideas.
And I find that there's like, for me, I can't just always be going on stage.
It's like a lot of time has to be spent, especially now, working on, I don't know, like a sixth or seventh hour or something like that.
All the time I put out specials and shit.
It's like I have to figure out, like, New angles and new points of view.
Not even necessarily new points of view, but new subjects.
New different things that interest me.
New points that I have.
I feel like I don't just get that if I just go on stage a lot.
I have to spend a lot of time doing other shit.
You know, and I think about that actively now.
Whereas when I was younger, I really think about that actively.
Like I would just try to like write, you know, just try to come up with new bits.
But now I make myself do things so that cool stuff will come out of them.
I'll have interesting stuff to talk about.
tony hinchcliffe
It was very soon after I started stand-up, within the first couple weeks, I found a book that Stephen King wrote called On Writing.
Yeah, great book.
It's unbelievable.
Obviously, it's not a fiction.
He's just talking about his work ethic of writing.
He's like, I don't think I'm a writer if I take a day off.
What am I? Then I'm just some guy.
I started applying that during the day, and I figured, on top of writing my own stand-up, if I keep up this habit of writing for a few hours every day during the day...
Then it'll get better.
And it did, sure enough.
Luckily, I'm a member of the Writers Guild now, working on the show and everything.
So the habit was, really, it was that book.
Yeah.
joe rogan
he does so one of the best of all time yeah I mean I'm a huge fan of that guy and I just I just have a thing about people that produce stuff I find that like for me one of the most inspirational things is to be around a lot of other inspirational people like when I like when I go to a UFC I want to work out After I come home, I want to fucking work out like crazy.
When I go see comedy, I want to write.
I think that's really important.
tony hinchcliffe
Oh, totally.
I do that all the time.
Even with the music that I listen to, going somewhere, getting ready for something at night.
I listen to big, powerful music that will get me sort of hyped and inspired.
A lot of live shows is the type of music that I listen to.
And you hear the crowd just, yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tony hinchcliffe
In these breaks or at the beginnings or at the end of the song.
That's the stuff that takes every little bit of mojo one could absorb to be able to kick it back out.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's why I really like music as well.
I think music is one of the cool things to see because it's like the energy is put in it.
But it's totally different from comedy.
It's like some new facet or some new energy.
Some new thing.
And like when I listen to a song, like some songs, there's like something about it, like there's a lyrical quality to like writing in songs that I started to realize somewhere along the line is applicable to comedy as well.
Like when a joke is written correctly and a joke has a good economy of words and the right words to describe the right situations, it has like a rhythmic quality to it.
And I think that's sort of That's sort of underestimated or overlooked by a lot of comedians.
The impact that that sort of rhythm to the delivery has, the impact of it, I think is pretty substantial.
tony hinchcliffe
Oh, totally.
joe rogan
But we don't think about that.
We just think about what is funny.
But it's not just that.
It's like it's funny and it's also good and it's smooth.
There's a lot of things to it that make it more enjoyable, more interesting to listen to.
tony hinchcliffe
A perfect example of what you're talking about right now with the rhythm and like Timing and everything.
Last night, I'm hosting at the Comedy Store.
It's like 40 comedians, everybody that's new, and employees after that, and then paid regular, whatever.
And in the middle of it, a cook, the Mexican guy, El Docho, who works the deep fryer at the Comedy Store, comes, hey man, I want to go on stage, and Disastrous.
But, you know, and he goes up.
But it was hilarious because nobody could understand a single word, but he was completely committed.
And then all of a sudden he's making this noise and you don't even know what the noise he was making was.
But his commitment and his beats with it just, he crushed.
He crushed it.
And all these other comedians that do it every night and look at going up in that room at the comedy store is like, this is it.
I'm going to show them what I would do on the Tonight Show if I was on it tonight.
Then you have the guy working the frying pans who nobody understands a word.
There's people that spend, you know, so much time writing and everything.
But there he is.
And sure, it's a silly instance, but it was extremely funny.
And if I'm cracking up and the audience is laughing and people know...
Then it's funny.
joe rogan
But you know what's really interesting?
tony hinchcliffe
And you did it with that old word.
joe rogan
How do you recreate that?
Could you recreate that with another audience?
Maybe not.
Maybe that would only work in that sort of a really loose situation where it's a comedy store, a bunch of comedians in the crowd.
You want to go up?
Yeah, go up.
And no expectations.
You know what I mean?
It's like, could you recreate that and become a comedian?
tony hinchcliffe
Right.
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because you know how that weird realization you have where just because a joke kills in one place, it could bomb in another place?
tony hinchcliffe
Oh, totally.
joe rogan
And you say it the exact same way?
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
And you're like, well, what the fuck?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And then you realize, well, this doesn't always work.
This is a weird idea I'm throwing out there.
Some people are going to buy into it, and some people are not.
And sometimes it sounds like the greatest joke ever written, and sometimes it sounds like you're a fool.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
Because sometimes there's something that happened the first time you did it when it worked that you did before that you don't normally do that you forgot that you did and it worked because of that.
joe rogan
I think a good thing for young comics to realize is that that's good.
It's good.
All that's bombing and failing and not getting it right.
It's good.
tony hinchcliffe
Oh yeah, totally.
joe rogan
Because if you don't have it, you're not going to appreciate when it goes well.
tony hinchcliffe
I remember in my first few weeks of doing it, a comedian came up to me who, I won't say his name, but he was terrible.
And he goes, hey man, you know, the trick is...
Bomb as often as you can.
And I'm thinking to myself, oh yeah, that's what you would do, you loser.
Because that's what you're doing anyway.
But looking back on it now...
joe rogan
He actually said that the trick is to bomb?
What was his rationale?
tony hinchcliffe
Well, he goes, you know, because now's the time to knock bombing out.
If you know how to bomb now...
It ended up making some sense later on.
joe rogan
It was terrible.
So how did he have such wisdom?
tony hinchcliffe
Right, exactly.
Somebody must have told him that, like, hey, you know, look at it this way in a positive sense.
Your bombing's good.
joe rogan
I don't think bad comedians are funny anymore.
It makes me sad.
It's funny to you right now because it's so close.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
Now it's just madness.
I look at it, I just see madness.
There's people that you know that are going to try for years and years and years and it's never going to happen.
tony hinchcliffe
Right.
joe rogan
It doesn't exist for them.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
It is creepy, and I've seen it with a few people.
joe rogan
And it must be that with anything.
I mean, you watch American Idol and people sing, and you're like, how does this person think they can sing?
They're crazy.
How does this person think anybody wants to sing?
It must be that if you're a literary agent.
I mean, imagine how many people send you stories and you're like, holy fuck, are you reading this nuts fucking work?
Come here, read this.
What?
What is that, Tony?
Why are some people so goddamn delusional?
Is there a broad spectrum of human beings and the amount of voltage your battery puts out?
And some people are just designed to dig holes?
tony hinchcliffe
I think that the delusion needs to be that with tons of work at something, you can accomplish it.
Not that the delusion is, I can do this.
Everybody that has ever been good at anything worked at it, you know what I mean?
A lot.
And they wanted it.
joe rogan
Even if you work at it, it doesn't mean you're gonna get it.
Especially with things like talent.
Talent is a weird thing.
I've seen guys that train striking for MMA. They train it for years.
They fucking train it for years.
But then when it comes to an actual fight, they can't pull it off.
They can't strike with people.
They don't move right.
They're too slow.
For whatever reason it is, they can never figure it out.
And there's other guys.
You show them a couple of moves, and they look like fucking pros, like instantly.
And they'll crush you and knock you out with one punch.
It doesn't make any sense.
It's like that guy clearly has a gift.
And this guy clearly, no matter how hard he works, he's never going to get there.
tony hinchcliffe
It's true.
joe rogan
It's a weird thing about this life.
Boy, it must be a real curse, a crazy feeling to be one of those guys.
It's like trying to pursue something and you're having no success and you can't connect the dots and you can't move forward.
tony hinchcliffe
Oh, man.
It's, you know, before anything was happening, you know, before when I was still not making money and before I was getting passed at the clubs in Hollywood and everything, it was...
Extremely low.
I was able to keep having fun by surrounding myself around funny friends and everything, but man, was it hard.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's depressing.
It's depressing as fuck when you're not making it.
When you're eating dick out there, it's hard.
But isn't it like a real character builder once you're through to the other side?
tony hinchcliffe
Oh yeah.
joe rogan
You must be so happy right now.
tony hinchcliffe
Oh yeah.
joe rogan
You're always smiling and shit.
tony hinchcliffe
Oh totally.
joe rogan
You're like a professional comedian.
Boom.
You got through.
tony hinchcliffe
It's wild.
joe rogan
You made it.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah.
joe rogan
Dude, you fucking killed in Indianapolis.
There was a lot of goddamn people.
2,000 people out there and you had to go up cold.
Nobody knew who the fuck you were.
tony hinchcliffe
I love it.
Killed.
That's the way I like it.
joe rogan
Yeah, the audience loved you.
tony hinchcliffe
I love that.
joe rogan
A lot of positive tweets, man.
People really thought you were funny.
tony hinchcliffe
Yeah, it was a blast.
I listened to the set the next day and I just couldn't even believe it.
It was really wild because I record all those and the sound and the power of that one.
joe rogan
Was that the biggest crowd you ever worked?
tony hinchcliffe
I think so.
Right around there.
I should know, but it's been right around there with a couple shows.
joe rogan
The quote that I was talking about, this guy Phil Elmore, he's a writer.
He wrote this on his Twitter.
It says, A writer never has a vacation.
For a writer, life consists of either writing or thinking about writing.
And that's Eugene Inoseko.
He was a playwright.
tony hinchcliffe
That's so true.
I can't sleep at night if I didn't do something that day.
It's not a vacation.
I'm...
I work my vacation.
This is a blast.
What would be uncomfortable for me is literally being on an island for a week with no internet and no pen and paper.
joe rogan
Well, people that don't understand that, like, you need to relax, Tony.
You need to stop working so hard.
They don't understand that you're the only person that can make Tony Hinchcliffe jokes.
If somebody likes you, you're the only person that makes you.
You're the only person that performs, and you're you.
That's it.
This is the only Tony Hinchcliffe show around.
No one else can do it unless they're in Vegas.
Years from now, doing an impersonator act.
tony hinchcliffe
Right.
joe rogan
History is the autobiography of a madman.
Alexander Herzen.
That's another badass quote that I read today.
This might be a good way to end this show.
Tony Hinchcliffe, thank you for being a bad motherfucker.
tony hinchcliffe
Thank you so much.
joe rogan
Thank you for coming along and being one of those guys that I can enjoy.
Enjoy your comedy, man.
unidentified
It's fun.
tony hinchcliffe
So happy to be part of it.
joe rogan
It's happy to have you.
Welcome.
That's quiet, bitch.
Alright, thanks everybody for tuning into the podcast.
Tomorrow we will be back with the greatest welterweight champion in the history of mixed martial arts.
Georges St-Pierre, my friend, joins us.
And people say, will you do the Georges St-Pierre impression in front of him?
Only with Georges' blessing.
I don't know what the fuck that means.
Tony, help me out here, buddy.
tony hinchcliffe
Pick up the slack.
joe rogan
Pick up the slack, Tony.
tony hinchcliffe
You mean George St. Pierre is going to be sitting in this chair tomorrow?
unidentified
Yes.
joe rogan
Don't rub your dick on it.
You son of a bitch.
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I apologize for my brain being mush lately.
I've been working a lot on this other show as well as doing this.
And...
I feel it.
I feel it, Tony.
I'm feeling a little stupid.
Help me out, buddy.
tony hinchcliffe
May 3rd, 4th, and 5th.
San Fran and Sacramento.
The Death Squad shows.
joe rogan
Tony Hinchcliffe in the house, bitches.
That's it.
Alright, folks.
We will see you tomorrow.
We love the shit out of you.
And Godspeed.
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