Freeway Rick Ross and Joe Rogan expose the bizarre case of William Roberts, a corrections officer who stole his name and persona without permission, leading to an August 27th trial. Ross reveals CIA-backed Contra ties through associates like Oliver North, hinting at Oliver’s potential public confirmation, while Rogan questions systemic corruption—$60B wasted annually on the drug war—ignoring inner-city potential. Despite media sensationalism glorifying crime, Ross’s redemption story, from prison to literacy advocacy, proves real change outweighs controversy. [Automatically generated summary]
I think we have over 100 pounds, but the ones I use are between 35 and 70. Is the people that order over the 100 pound ones, do you track these people?
We're trying to put together the strongest human beings possible.
We're trying to help people become as strong as possible.
Look, having a strong body is fucking awesome.
If you don't think it is...
It's because you've never had a strong body.
Like, when someone can give you a jar of mayonnaise and always know that you're going to be the guy that opens that bitch, when you have to pick something up and you can because your body can do it, you don't have to call somebody and, oh man, I need some help, oh fuck.
No, you can just hoist it up yourself because your body works really good.
I don't know why anybody wouldn't want that.
To me, that is a really weird sort of a distinction that people have made where they try to separate intelligence from physical performance.
And that somehow or another, well, I spend my time being intelligent.
I don't have any time for physical performance.
But yet you exist in the same world that I do.
I know this world.
This world is very physical.
And for you to not enhance your physical body makes me think you're dumb.
In fact, they actually use whatever the fuck the active ingredient in protafidil or whatever the fuck it is in Viagra as a performance-enhancing supplement.
So you're just happy with your body just doing the minimum amount and get you from point A to point B? Yeah, because I don't want a thousand knee surgeries.
The scariest thing for me is seeing people that are doing those things where they drop them off a helicopter on a snowboard, and they go down the side of a fucking mountain.
Those guys are animals.
Sometimes they get caught in avalanches, and the avalanche is behind them as they're coming down.
Could you imagine if every one of his fucking books is actually just a gun holder and this whole time he's smiling and then one day someone goes to pick up the book and they pick up the wrong one and a gun falls out and they're like, what the fuck?
Then they realize the dude had a hundred guns and he was just super compulsive and he collected handguns and put them inside books.
That's why nobody wants to ever read those books.
If you have one of those shiny books with the old style binding that's real super fancy, you have one of those on your shelf, who the fuck's going to pick that up and read it?
The only way someone's going to touch that is if you left a little kid in the room by himself.
That's the only way those books are getting touched.
But a grown adult?
Dude, that's like DNA. When you reverse him, he becomes satanic and then all that shit becomes DNA. Well, this is rude because this guy works for Onnit.
Obviously, he's not really a reptilian, ladies and gentlemen.
We're waiting for Freeway Rick Ross, I should say.
I say Freeway Rick Ross because we have to make the distinction between him and the guy who's the rapper who calls himself Rick Ross, who says he got his nickname through some other...
He's got some wacky...
Explanation for why he has the same name as this guy who was once an actual huge drug dealer who was actually involved unbeknownst to him to the whole Iran-Contra scandal.
Because back when the CIA or whoever the hell it was was illegally selling drugs in Los Angeles to fund covert operations overseas that they didn't want to get approval for, it's really kind of crazy shit.
This guy was involved in that.
Unbeknownst to him, he was just out there slanging.
He was just out there slanging and didn't realize that he was making so much money because he was...
Well, he definitely is, but I don't think it's that.
I just think it's a matter of...
Ari's a very smart guy.
And when you're a smart person and you see something that's really stupid, you can have a really adverse reaction to it where it gets illogical.
And he's allowing himself to get illogical.
And he's allowing himself to get upset at those people.
And the end result is you're not really being victimized.
Yes, you're losing a little bit of the privacy of what you bring on board, but we understand that and we know we're going to do that.
But I think Ari had to re-look at it, and I think once he did, he started seeing it a different way, which shows you how smart he is to know that he can get caught up in a fucked up way of thinking.
But it's just, that can happen to you.
You can get caught up in a fucked up way of thinking, and it's not beneficial, and it's not the only way you could look at it, but it seems like it is at the time.
At the time, it just seems like the way to go.
And you're like, no, fuck that.
But really, when you look at all this shit to be pissed at, that's not up there.
I know it's not your current situation, but that situation, that girl, you know, you either get that and you have a nice girl who takes care of you, or you go on wild freak sex orgies when you're on exorcism.
Those are your two options in this world that you find yourself in.
You're presented with very unique challenges.
Not a lot of people have those problems.
With most guys, the problem is actually just getting laid.
You, the problem is trying to figure out...
It's a crazy world, but when you're talented, when you're in a position, when you have some people paying attention to you, you get superpowers.
Right now, you've got freak superpowers, so you've got to deal with that.
The only way to deal with that is either you go on a fuck rampage, or you find a good one and you settle down.
Those are your two options.
Because, you know, you either use that power for evil, and you go out there and spread your super AIDS, or you find a good girl.
The problem is finding someone that you actually like, and then finding someone that you can actually tolerate.
For a long period of time and then like actually still enjoying being around them.
It's so rare.
It's so rare that they're...
And it's not necessarily the man's problem.
It's not necessarily the woman's problem.
It's like the odds of you finding someone that whatever is wrong with them fits in with whatever is wrong with you and they both like clink and they like fit in perfect and you actually enhance each other.
You actually make each other's lives better.
You can do that, but it's fucking stupid hard to find.
It is possible, but you're definitely not going to find it when you're doing those coke ecstasy binge situations.
Then it's all about rehydrating and then finding out how long do you have to wait before you dig and get hard again.
You know when you used to open up your seat inside your console, there was a phone, you'd slide a credit card down it, and you'd enter in your card information, and then you would fucking use the phone.
You know why they don't want you to turn on your cell phones anymore?
Because now they don't want anyone to describe the terrorist events because they're all undercover, you know, government agents and there's really no hijackers.
It's like, you know what I mean?
Like, they don't want communication just in case if they have to take down another plane.
Sketch artists are seriously that, I mean, not the artists themselves, they're just people with a gig, but the idea behind it is seriously one of the most arcane aspects of our judicial system.
It's fucking ridiculous.
When you see those photos on TV, when a guy's in court and you see the TV shows you, the news shows you a drawing.
Like, what?
What the fuck am I saying here?
That is, to me, such a sign of a fucking dorky world.
That it's so screwed up and ridiculous and so nonsensical that they'll film a drawing of some stuff that happened in a time where...
Photographs exist.
It's not like they're not pretending.
They have no idea what happened in that courthouse.
We have no news for you.
No, we had a guy in there, but they wouldn't let him take pictures, but they would let him draw.
Someone wants to be able to control the access to the images that get displayed from the situation.
Someone wants to be able to control the situation.
That's all it is.
If they wanted the American public, which they should have, especially in criminal cases, we have to worry about whether or not this person is a bad person.
They're out there trying to victimize people.
They're trying to limit your access to how the court works.
To limit your access to what actually takes place in a courtroom.
Because a lot of times it's bullying.
There's a lot of bullshit that goes on in court.
There's a lot of shit that goes on in court.
Did you know the people that get charged with medical marijuana, when they get arrested?
They get arrested federally most of the time.
And they're not even allowed to use the word medical.
They can't say medical marijuana.
They just sold marijuana.
Like, if they use the word medical, they just throw them in jail.
If there's a contempt of court, they'll throw you in jail.
Because they don't believe that marijuana is a medicinal substance or it's not their law, the federal government, they're allowed to say that there is no law, so you can't say medical marijuana.
So, even though you're defending yourself, In the same country where medical marijuana is legal, you're not even allowed to bring it up in a federal court.
I mean, if people knew about these things, if you're watching video footage of courts, you know, of constant, you know, I know they had court TV for a while.
I heard somebody got chicken pox, a rare chicken pox the other day, some famous person, and she had already had chicken pox, so it was her second chicken pox.
If I was going to make fun of me and my points on medical science, if you're really old, you should wash your hands a lot.
But you really should.
They say that's one of the best ways to prevent diseases.
Not constant, don't get nutty, but keep your fucking hands clean.
That's where you pick up most of it, I guess.
Going from hand to mouth, you don't even realize it.
It's kind of rude that we have this weird war going on between our bodies and these strange little things that attack us, that make us feel like shit, and literally weaken your body.
And they're so common.
They happen every year.
There's a whole season with the attack.
Sometimes they get people.
Some people die off.
People that avoid medication, people that are old, people with compromised immune systems.
Colds get them every year.
It's crazy.
We don't even think about it, but colds are monsters.
Well, I think you have to, it has to be, like his spelled is Y-U-U-U-P or something like that, so it's more of like a, it's not a real word or something.
Her point of view is really fascinating because, like I said, it's almost like a religious point of view.
It's like you're empowering yourself with this...
It's a way of looking at the world, but it's like...
I don't know.
It's a tricky thing to think that you're creating your entire world and that you're controlling your own destiny like that.
It's very weird.
It's weird to not recognize that there's a lot of interactions and to ignore all of them.
If you see all the interactions on a street corner, just see people walking across the street and see cars stopping and not stopping and people texting and people not realizing that the light has turned green.
You see all that randomness?
You see people on their phone with their hand up to their head and they don't see a car that's merging to their right-hand side because their head is being covered by the phone?
That's really common.
You can't control all that, okay?
And if you're there, you're telling me that you're safe, you're going to be okay.
Because you haven't arranged to have this happen in your existence.
I say, wow.
I say, wow.
I say, maybe though.
Shit, I don't know.
She might be right.
I mean, what a strange thing it would be if we found out that...
All this time, what we were really lacking was just confidence and understanding of our capabilities.
And that you really can completely manifest your own reality with your mind.
And that your whole world that you live in, you can orchestrate with your mind.
Wow!
I mean, in the future, one day, if that turns out that that's the next evolving capability of human beings, They just weren't aware of it, but some of them made it happen on their own and didn't know why they were doing it.
And then the other ones made their life a complete and total mess.
But it was all essentially their own choice.
Their own choice to do so.
It'd be fascinating.
But it's...
For me personally, I see why she commits to it.
I see why it would be empowering.
And I see why it makes her feel really strong and powerful.
And I see all the benefit in it.
But my point of view is...
Always way more who the fuck knows.
There's way more who the fuck knows.
To anything I can't confirm, like, for sure, 100%.
I don't have anything in front of me that tells me that that could be real.
I don't have anything.
It might be.
I mean, it's one of the possible scenarios the imagination could conjure up.
You could conjure up a million different scenarios as to why you're here, why you're built like you are, why you have the interest you have.
You can come up with a million different combinations of hypothesis as to why and what happens in the previous life, if there is a previous life.
But you're really just making things up.
That's reality.
The reality is, you being in another dimension, and you're choosing this life, like, you're really just making that up.
I mean, if you're really creating your own reality, you know, what the fuck?
See, the problem is reality is so slippery and weird that the idea that we're creating our own reality doesn't seem that far-fetched.
If we found out that this world really is a simulation, I don't think it would be that much different than it is right now.
Because if we didn't know the world was a simulation...
If it never was even a theory and you just looked at this world and you go, does this make sense?
No, this world is filled with shit that doesn't make sense.
Besides the marijuana laws and sketch artists in courtrooms, there's a million fucking things that make no sense.
There's a million things.
They're stacked up all over the place.
And then there's a million things that are so beyond our capability.
Even the people that are enthusiasts in them, like when it comes to cell phones or when it comes to that Bluetooth device you were talking about, the Sonos thing.
Those things are so outside of our understanding.
We can read that, oh, Bluetooth is this bandwidth, 108, 111B. Oh, okay, yeah, all right, and it comes through this way.
Do you know how to make that?
Do you know what you would have to do?
Do you know what reactions are causing the interaction between those two devices?
I have no fucking clue!
And these things exist right alongside sketch artists.
It's like it's all together, like a giant joke.
It's like a joke of a movie.
And if you were going to make a simulation about the Wild West, the roaring 20s of the technological era, it would look exactly like this day and time.
So if we really are players in a simulation, it makes a lot of sense.
The beyond bizarre nature of this reality makes a lot of sense that it's fake.
The problem is, it sounds retarded.
You say that, you sound like a fucking idiot.
You sound like a weirdo.
You sound like a dumbass.
But, scientists way smarter than us are the ones who are proposing this.
It's not us.
Like, I didn't invent the idea of simulation theory.
I became fascinated with it.
I talk about it all the time.
But it absolutely never came from my mind.
It came from me reading something that a scientist wrote about it.
Where I was like, what?
It was not even a thought that I ever even entertained.
The idea that the whole world is like some sort of massive computer program.
What he does, he has a table, and he puts a ton of animals on there, and he mixes animals together that are not supposed to be together, like cats and birds.
Ladies and gentlemen, we said before, if you don't know who Rick is...
Rick is at one time an aspiring tennis player in Los Angeles that was a young man that didn't have even the ability to read and became a gigantic cocaine kingpin, wound up going to jail, learned how to read, studied the law, learned that they fucked him, got out of jail because of it, and found out that there's a dude using his name Who's a rapper.
And it's the craziest thing ever.
I mean, if you know rapping, you know Rick Ross, a lot of people are like, oh shit, Rick Ross is going to be on the Joe Rogan podcast?
And then they tune in and they go, who the fuck is this guy?
But if he set that up, if he actually would set something up like that with a real gun and shoot it in an occupied community, I mean, he may really wind up being a gangster one day.
Who would want somebody to come, represent their thing, something that you've worked hard for, to put together and then hear this guy come in, hasn't paid any dues.
I find it quite fascinating because we are, in so many ways, we're so silly with our culture and are going way out of the way to pretend to be something that we're not and selling an image and portraying an image. we're so silly with our culture and are going way And his case, his story, is one of the most fascinating ones that I've ever seen.
But this guy, though, going back to the fake Rick Ross, him as a publicist, like if you hired him to get your name and story out, do you know how much money it would cost just to get as much attention as it's got, the fact that he stole your name and the fact that so many people are talking about it?
That's an incredible story that, like, I would have to think millions of people have heard now.
Well, I think we breed a whole culture now of fakers.
I mean, when you watch TV with the reality shows and it's just so much.
And I think that could be bad for us.
Definitely.
For our kids, you know, for our kids to get that idea that, you know, you can fake it and be successful and really not be successful, I mean, it's kind of ridiculous.
There's nothing there other than, you know, some people want to fuck you, I guess.
You know?
You watch one of those Kim Kardashian shows and you will shut that TV off and just stare at the wall for an hour going, what the fuck is going on here?
I think one of the things we're dealing with is, first of all, the fact that TV has really only been around for a couple generations.
You know, the television, the reality of it, when did it start?
In the 50s?
That's not enough time for us to really get a handle of what the fuck it's doing to our culture and then do something about it.
And whenever there's any sort of an opportunity to be opportunistic, to make some cash, the easiest way to make some cash is to put some stupid people on TV and make them do ridiculous shit so people go, what the fuck are they doing?
But you're watching, dummy, and then they sell you Tide in the commercials and, you know, you can make some money that way.
I really think that it's just, it's not that they don't want smart people on TV. It's just that they want a lot of people to watch.
And it's lazy, but the easy way to get a lot of people to watch is just put ridiculous shit on, like Jersey Shore, like, you know, just Real Housewives, where you know these bitches are going to scream and yell at each other.
Over nothing.
They talk about nonsense.
Their minds are filled with air.
There's nothing going on other than she said this, and I said this, and I was like, fuck you, bitch.
You don't even fucking know me.
Don't fuck with me.
What are you watching?
You're watching morons squawk.
You're not even watching a language.
You're watching birds going...
That's what you're watching.
You're watching the human equivalent to crows.
They're nonsense people.
But you can make money off them.
You put them on TV if you're lazy.
But do the people that are producing those shows, is that their true interest?
You know, no.
I mean, in some ways it's kind of fun because it's like the fast food of television.
You know, if you're sitting there eating lunch and you turn on the TV real quick and you watch two bitches yell at each other.
And it affects us in ways that so many people don't really understand.
I mean, even like with myself, when I look back at my life, I know that television, movies, affected how I made my decisions because...
That became my reality.
When you're young and you're impressionable, then you see something and you say, oh man, that shit is real.
I'm going to try that myself and see if it works for me.
Just like with this guy William Roberts, the rapper that's using my name, Rick Ross, I believe that he's giving kids the wrong impression that you can go out and sell drugs and parlay that into a record career and I believe this is going to have a tremendous backlash on our young people.
I think that your story is also a very important story for people to listen to.
There's a lot of folks that have that sort of nonsense, you've got to pull yourself up by your bootstraps mentality when it comes to certain aspects of our society, especially people that grow up In impoverished areas.
People that grow up in the ghetto.
There's this sort of, well, you gotta fucking make it out on your own sort of mentality.
I think that's a crazy way to look at raising children.
And they're being raised essentially by a bunch of people that grew up in the same exact environment.
So there's no breaking that cycle.
It's a cycle.
And I think that's one of the biggest problems in our entire society.
And I think that we spend all this time looking at things that can weaken America overseas when the number one most important Commodity in our culture is us itself, human beings.
Everything that's been built, everything that's been invented, everything that's been engineered, everything that's on this earth that makes our life better is made by a human.
That means a human invented that.
That means all this potential that's in these impoverished communities that gets ignored, all this potential...
Of discovery, of curiosity, of creativity, all of it gets wasted in a world of crime and repeating cycles and that as a resource no one looks at.
No one in this country looks at that.
We look at, oh we need oil, we gotta go over here, we look at this.
Our number one resource is human beings.
When you look at resources, what is important to us as humans?
Other humans, man.
Other humans have it set up so we don't have to go hunt some food.
We've simplified the whole game of being a human being because we're important.
Because so many of us get together and we provide the resources for each other and we have a system and it all works out well.
Well, you gotta look at it in terms of where does that all come from?
It all comes from children.
That's when you really have your shot.
You really have your shot when you're growing and developing and learning things.
So your story is a really, really important story to be told because you're finding yourself in a situation where you couldn't read and you're already out of high school.
You find yourself all of a sudden involved in this drug game and that seems like the only prospect.
You couldn't go to school for tennis because you didn't know how to read.
You made it through a school system without knowing how to read.
You know, someone posted something, because I'm always talking about this, about how many different prisons are privatized in this country, and how many are actually...
When I was in prison, they were trying out even the prisons that was owned by the federal government were starting to turn the prisons over to Wagon Hut.
Yeah, I think that's the environment that you grow up in is a huge factor on who you become.
It's a huge, huge factor.
And like I said, one of the weakest areas of our country are the places with the most crime and the places with the most despair.
And that's the places that also get the least attention.
It's like we're a person that has like a pile of...
Of garbage in the corner of the house, and we keep saying we're going to get to it, but we just ignore it and walk around it.
Instead of just fixing it.
Instead of just fixing the situation.
If we put just a tenth of what we put into our military budget, just one tenth, to just Settle the inner cities down, provide guidance, put places in where people can stay if they have nowhere to go, and educate people better.
Just make it so there's profit in rebuilding cities, the same way there's profit in rebuilding cities, the way we bomb the fuck out of them.
Which is crazy that someone would actually, without having to be there and see the look in a person's eyes when they slam the cell on them, without actually being there and experiencing their pain, they're willing to make that decision because they're so far removed from it.
It's just them talking to a lobbyist and writing something down and they sign something and make an agreement and shake some hands.
And then all of a sudden, boom, this cell somewhere down the line gets shut on a man, and a man loses his life.
He loses the reality of the life that he lived because someone is making some money off of him being in jail.
And for something completely illogical like most drugs.
When you look at most drugs and the harm that most drugs do, there's nothing compared to the harm that legal shit like alcohol does, which nobody's trying to stop.
I've never heard a single politician say we need to stop people smoking cigarettes.
I've never heard one.
I'm just waiting for one person to stand up and say, do you know that there is a company that is selling poison that kills half a million people every year?
Every year in this country, half a million people die because of that.
This company that's selling poison that they know kills people.
If you said, would you like to be able to fly through the air like Superman for three hours, fly wherever you want, or sit down, smoke weed with Obama for three hours, I will take the latter.
I would smoke weed with Obama more than I would fly like Superman for three hours.
And that's saying a lot.
Because flying like Superman would be cool as fuck.
Yeah, but, you know, you've shown since you've got out that you've been trying to put people on a path different than the one that you've been on.
I think that's all you can ask from a man.
You can't ask for a man to not make mistakes.
What you ask for a man is to, once he's made mistakes, be honest about those mistakes and try to help people to keep them from making the same mistakes themselves.
Do you think you would have been able to, I mean, it's really kind of, I hate to say this again, but it really kind of is a gift that you got stopped from continuing to sell drugs because there's no old drug dealers.
There's no bold drug dealers and there's no old drug dealers.
Everybody would like to be in that situation, but you demand that, and that's what made you a bad motherfucker in an illegal business, and that's what makes you a bad motherfucker in legal businesses that you focus yourself on.
You know, I think it's very important that people who've made mistakes come back and tell others, well, you know what, if you go that way, this is what's going to happen.
But a lot of people, you know, they don't look at it that way.
You know, like sometimes I want to go out and speak to kids and they...
One day I'm at a high school in L.A. and they call the news and tell them, hey, they got a drug dealer on the campus.
And so the news crew, they shoot down to the school, and just as I'm walking out, and they're like, where's the drug dealer?
They said, it's a drug dealer on campus.
And I said, no, it's an ex-drug dealer.
And they said, oh, no, we thought it was somebody else.
And I think that what you said about that it's good for people to see these examples of people who've made mistakes and explained their mistakes.
I think it's something that's missing in our world.
And I think that if there were more books written, instead of just about crime and glorifying crime, how about it written about dudes who did shit and wish they could take it back?
Or if you let some of those guys in prison, you know, I think that we should have a system where guys that are in prison, in these maximum security prisons, get a way to tell the kids what it's like.
You know, sitting in a cell by yourself 23 hours a day or 24 hours a day.
Because a lot of those guys in prison, you know, even like the guy Larry Hoover who the rapper rapped about.
I think a guy like him, he's famous.
And he would be great to reach out to the kids and tell the kids what it's like to live in the maximum, you know, one of the most secure penitentiaries in the United States.
I think your story, like I said, is very important for young people.
I remember very clearly how stupid I was when I was 13 or 14. I would think about the future and where I would be.
I could have made a million dumb decisions.
When I was that age and I think every time you as a young man get to see the example of people who've made mistakes and corrected them or went the wrong way in life and then rewrote their path later in life and became successful, I think those are really important for young people to shape their vision of the world, to understand that there's going to be decisions you're going to have to make and part of the learning process is making the wrong decision.
You know, one of the things that I've been telling the young people I'm working with right now, you know, I got a young artist that I'm working with right now, C. Carter.
And one of the main things that I'm trying to get her to understand, and she has a remarkable story, too, when people investigate her and find out where she comes from.
And she was telling me just, she's never had anybody like me to give her the advice that I'm giving her.
And one of the things that I tell her is that you must continue to develop.
And in order to develop, you have to try new things.
And when you try new things, you're going to make some mistakes.
As long as you don't make mistakes that's going to send you to prison or kill you, you're good.
There's a lot of mistakes that are the most important things that you're ever going to do in your life.
Some of the failures that I've had over the years have been the motivating factors for success times a million.
If I had done well instead of just failed miserably, maybe I wouldn't have gotten so excited about picking up the pieces and getting my shit together again.
I think that some of the biggest fuck-ups I've ever had are the most motivating factors in my life.
The life that you think you're going to live when you're a kid watching TV shows, and the actual life that you've lived after all these years, it gets very strange, doesn't it?
I mean, how does it feel like to have a guy that you see on the cover of Rolling Stone magazine, you see your name on it, and you're just like, what kind of world are we living in?
First of all, you avoided violence, and then you got out, and then learned how to read, went through jail and everything, and then you came out and you're like this peaceful person.
It's like you managed to avoid a lot of the negative karma and negative repercussions of that situation, but you also managed to keep that name.
My lawyer calls me one day, and we're talking about my case, and he tells me, he says, man, this reporter calls me and says he got some stuff for us, but he's not going to give us what he got unless we give him what we got.
You want to talk to him?
I'm looking at a life sentence, so I'm like, man, I ain't got nothing to lose.
Tell him to come on down.
What are you going to do?
He can't do no more than already done.
So he comes down, we start talking, and he's telling me about it.
Oh man, this thing is bigger than you, and you don't know what you was into, and then all of a sudden, I'm thinking like, wow.
Because I just went through the thing with the crooked cops, you know, with the L.A. sheriff that was planting the drugs and stealing the money and had the houses, you know, in Arizona on the river and whatnot, right?
So I'm saying, bigger?
Well, maybe these might be DEA agents that's crooked, right?
So...
I don't know.
So then all of a sudden we go to trial.
We start trial.
And then he doesn't give us the information, but what he does is he starts to ask questions through my lawyer.
And then he starts to talk about Ronald Reagan and Enrique Remutes and the Nicaraguan Contras.
And I'm like, the Nicaraguan Contras?
So when I go back to my cell, I start studying.
What was the Contras?
You know, who is Enrique Remudes and the whole nine yards?
He still doesn't tell me.
I don't find out the whole scoop until his newspaper dropped.
When his newspaper dropped in the San Jose Mercury News, I'm on the front cover.
And it says that the CIA-backed Army was selling drugs to me, which they was.
I knew Blandone, but I didn't know he was working with the CIA. I mean, like, damn, the guy I'm working with?
You should have told me.
We could have really got it in, right?
So that's when I first found out.
That was my first.
And a lot of people, you know, they don't believe me when I tell them that I had no knowledge.
But I had absolutely no knowledge that he was a CIA operative.
Well, you know, that drug business, man, it's so big, you know.
And I'm not just saying from the street level, but for DEA, you know, I watched a documentary about two weeks ago.
I spoke at a church in Compton.
And they had some cops on there and were saying that these cops wouldn't investigate homicides because you would get a better promotion by investigating drugs.
If you want to go and be the captain of the station, you don't go to homicide.
If you're on homicide, you want to switch to drug enforcement because that's where they were giving all the promotions to.
To tie up that story, for the folks who don't know the story or are listening to this for the first time, what he was saying was that while he was selling drugs, the money that he was earning, selling the drugs, the drugs were actually coming from the CIA, which was using that money to fund the Contra army against the Sandinistas.
And more so, I think that we need to reevaluate what's legal and illegal in this country.
Because we have a corrupt series of politicians that have been bought off and have put a bunch of laws in place and have allowed people to sell all kinds of shit that kills people all the time.