Duncan Trussell and Joe Rogan debate Funny Games vs. The Wolf, with Trussell calling it a fascist critique while Rogan prefers supernatural horror, linking exploitation films to Times Square’s chaotic past. They pivot to Sex at Dawn, beauty’s role in enlightenment, and societal reactivity—like global outrage over random violence or protests against Egypt’s authoritarianism—while questioning John McAfee’s credibility amid unverified drug claims, paranoid delusions, and legal evasions. Rogan’s admiration for McAfee’s chaotic honesty contrasts with skepticism about his reliability, framing modern accountability as a double-edged sword. [Automatically generated summary]
This is, like, according to the director, it's commentary on the infiltration of, like, the mainstream media into popular life, and they're using this, like, story to, like...
To articulate it.
It's deep.
It's fucking deep.
It's about fascism.
But man, it is like...
Your stomach will roll when you watch this fucking thing.
I went to this movie theater that fucking Quentin Tarantino owns called The New Beverly, and they show Grindhouse flicks twice a month, and last night they were showing an anti-drug Grindhouse flick called The Acid Strip or something.
But I remember when I was like in my teenage years is when I saw like the peep shows and all that shit.
I saw those that we we came there for a karate tournament.
There was a big karate tournament they used to do at Madison Square Garden every year.
So we came in me and a bunch of fucking soft dorks from Boston, you know Newton even where I was from the suburbs of Boston.
To go to this crazy fucking city.
We were essentially living in Mayberry compared to New York City.
You have your own problems socially with people everywhere.
Where I grew up, I went to Newton South High School.
It's one of the nicest high schools ever.
You're always going to have problems with human beings whenever you get 17-year-olds and you mix them all together.
There's going to be problems.
But there's very few fights in school.
No one got really seriously injured.
There was a few squabbles and people got upset with people.
But other than that, it was a nice place to live.
I didn't realize how easy I had it until you're in Manhattan.
And you're like 17 years old and you're like in Times Square and you're like, what the fuck is this place?
Like this place is crazy.
It's just one person after another who wants to fuck you and give you some new disease.
Like one of just people looking to fuck people and people looking to jerk off and people looking to go sit and watch someone play with their asshole in front of you while you beat off in a booth and then someone cleans that.
I told you when I was in San Francisco, I went to one of those places, and I've never been to the place where the thing goes up, and you're in this room, and there's just a bunch of people behind this glass fingering themselves and stuff.
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And I accidentally put my hand on the side like there was like a little thing that was wet.
One time when I was living in Boston, I was working for a limo company, and I was driving home, and it was a long ride, and it was horny, so I just beat off It was like something to do.
And I just squirted a load inside my shirt, tucked it back in my pants.
And then, you know, I remember doing it and I remember thinking, well, alright, so here's some new fucked up thing I do now.
Because I figured I would just keep doing that now.
I'd never jerked off in the car before.
And being like 20 years old or whatever I was at the time, I was like, what an idiot.
Did you really just start jerking off in the car?
Because that's what you're going to start doing all the time now, dummy.
I didn't want to grill her, you know, because that's kind of rude to do to a girl you're dating.
But you don't want to go, how many dudes have you stuck your finger up their ass?
Because if you just offer that up, like the first time we hook up, you just offer up a finger up the ass, and you're only 17. I think maybe like, maybe I was 18 and she was 17, or 19 and 18, in that range, you know, right after high school or around there.
It's like, she's already done this how many times?
I wonder how many dudes' buttholes.
This girl's just, I know what you want.
The guy's like, yeah, you know it.
Go for it, baby.
Like, just on a whim, on a hope that it's a good thing.
And all of a sudden, she's sucking on her fingers, and you're going, where's this going?
See, in the world of Kurzweil that we're talking about, the idea that you're going to be able to record everything, there will be a way that you can hack.
And the way that, like, guys will hack into their girlfriend's email, you'll be able to hack into your girlfriend's, like, past and, like, see a scan of, like, you could actually just enter in.
And one of the things that I find fascinating is all the different theories about why people act and behave certain ways when it comes to how many sexual...
What partners has your wife had?
Yes.
Why it's so important that you limit that number, that you can trust her and keep her around.
They, when Columbus's people, or Cortez, came to the Yucatan, they asked the people, like, what do you call this place?
And they made this sound.
Not that sound.
But they made this sound like, you know, and the guy said, Yucatan, close enough.
So they say, we're going to call it the Yucatan.
Well, it turned out that the Mayan scholars, after all those years of deciphering They deduced that what he was trying to say was, I don't understand what you're saying.
We're so spoiled that being alive in the year 2012, just a few hundred years ago, there was people that got in boats and just traveled and didn't know where the fuck they were going and had no idea what they would find and didn't have maps.
Yeah, and the idea that you would have the audacity to go look in the ocean, to not know what's on the other side, to just go out there, like, oh my god, you had to have fucking tremendous balls.
And one of the things that must have been amazing back then was the ability to see the stars.
Like, as long as it wasn't cloudy out, you could really see everything, because there was no light pollution.
Where if you've ever been in the country in the middle of the night and you look up on a clear night and just see fucking unbelievable amounts of stars, it really makes you sad that that's not a regular feature.
That what we've done by creating these beautiful cities and these safe roads to travel on, we've disconnected ourselves from the vision of the cosmos, of our part in the cosmos.
When you're like in the country, man, you're staying in a farm and you go like kick back in a hammock and you look up and the entire sky is filled with stars, that is a perspective enhancing experience.
And you see him, like, his fucking eyes light up, and, like, there's a charge that a person gets from a thing of beauty, from seeing something that's beautiful.
thing of beauty is lying underneath everything that the world's just covering that beauty up and that people use objects as a way to limit the beauty because to like really accept the whole thing is like would be so potent that you start off like getting that feeling from cars or you start off getting that feeling from looking up at the sky or you start off getting that feeling from falling in love but like that feeling is like underneath everything that's what everything's composed
of is that sense of like wow holy shit can you Because that's a peak feeling.
That feeling of being like, whatever the thing is that activates it.
Sometimes I think that maybe that's what enlightenment is.
Is when you just hit that feeling perpetually.
You're just perpetually in that space of like, wow, this is amazing.
That kind of constricted life sucks for the person who's living in the constricted life and for the people living around the person in the constricted life.
And it's like you can – if you just play around with that fucking idea that you can permanently – Permanently.
Shift your consciousness so that you are experiencing life in the way that, like, those, however many times you've had it happen in your life, some people more, sometimes less, when you're, for the first time you've, like, accomplished some big thing, and you get that sense of, like, oh my god, man, I can fucking, I can really do shit that I didn't think I could do.
That feeling is like the universe at that moment unfolds.
It's like a whole new room, a whole new giant land pops open in your subjective universe.
You're like, wow, there's an entire other part of this life I had no idea about.
Well, it's like, if you can always be in that state of recognizing that This is the most beautiful peak experience that could happen to anything, which I think is what enlightened people, the people I've been around who are very advanced, I wouldn't call them enlightened.
They're just happy, man.
They're just like, happy is the wrong word for it though.
They're like connected and they're really, really not afraid to express love.
You know, they're very, they're feeling love all the time.
I think that that's a cool idea that you could feel that all the time.
I think that's a beautiful idea that you could be in that place all the time.
I mean, if you can do that and then find like-minded folks who will not put anything – try not to do anything negative to their friends and don't want to accept anything negative either, then you're around a bunch of people who love each other.
This is like the idea of like, well, in the beginning, you know, there's a...
The beginning of spiritual life is what they say.
They say the beginning of spiritual life is like a tendril, like the beginning of like when a tree grows, right?
And when a tree is growing at first, the most gigantic tree started off as a tiny little fucking sprig.
So when you're in that place, it's really important to keep shit out that can like fuck you up.
And that's the idea of cutting people out or like cutting out the negative elements.
But then there's this other idea that I was listening to some Ram Dass lecture.
Reactivity.
And that when you're around someone who's got a difficult personality or someone who's like an instigator, a drama vortex, You still get to decide if you're going to be reactive to that person or not.
You still get to be in control of the way you feel around that person.
But in the beginning, that person can make you feel like shit.
When you're around an asshole, your mood will drop.
Your mood shifts.
You get mad.
You get unhappy.
You feel threatened.
But the idea is as you advance and gain more and more control of your consciousness, then that stops happening.
Yeah, and also for the first time when the asshole is around someone who isn't reacting to them being an asshole, they're going to be like, what the fuck is this?
Because their whole life, they've been going through life getting cues from people like, I don't think so.
So all of a sudden, if they're around someone who's like...
You know, beaming.
And the way that you would be beaming around when you saw, like, when Joey Diaz walks into a room.
It's just fucked up that people are capable of doing shit like that and that there's the broad spectrum of The possible human actions.
It's so broad.
I mean, you could be a guy that she could have crossed paths with a guy who was like, good morning, you know, top of the day to you and been real happy and made her feel really good.
And she could have moved on to, you know, her job or whatever, feeling like really good.
Instead, she runs into the wrong guy.
And then he cracks her and knocks her unconscious for no reason whatsoever.
In a day or two, this act of violence has been broadcast all over the planet and has created a situation where people could talk about how awful it is and how bad that is that people are like that.
It seems like more and more, as part of the shift, things are standing out that aren't shifting more and more.
So like, you know, like Romney, for example, or like these like crazy fucking like, you know, homophobic, anti-abortion Republicans Talking about my family, boy?
These crusty old sons of bitches more and more are starting to look like monsters.
They're starting to look more like freaks.
Whereas they used to be able to like, you know, they used to be able to turn fucking high-powered water hoses on crowds of black people, you know, without losing their jobs.
You know what I mean?
Like, so this this shift is like, but it's really interesting to watch the way that a lot of these crusty old pundits are reacting to it, man.
They're having the same effect that when they threw water on the witch and the Wizard of Oz, you know, that kind of like they're hissing and shrieking and they don't know how to deal with it.
What's fascinating to me is that with this With this new sort of understanding of people that we're getting because of the internet, there's water all over me.
I spilled coffee on me.
I have a nice shirt and I didn't want to ruin it.
With this new understanding that people have of having the access to these kind of stories, having the access to these horrible stories, things that are happening from the Gaza Strip, this shift that's going on, as it's happening, All these horrific things that still exist in the world, they seem to escalate.
Almost as if they're worried that something's coming at them.
Almost as if, like, it's the, you know, the fundamentalism gets even more and more extreme and more and more hateful and more and more crazy.
And you start getting shit like God hates fags and guys holding up a fucking sign.
They have a whole website dedicated to it.
And, like, all of the hate that you see with, you know, we had...
On the podcast, we had this conversation with Shane Smith about Pakistan and India and the potential for nuclear war.
And it was one of the scariest conversations ever.
Because these people, it's almost like a lost state like Pakistan.
He was talking about how chaotic it is and how chaotic the rulership is and how they hate India and India hates them and that different leaders have said they wanted to strap themselves to a nuclear bomb and go over there and blow the other people up.
That this all exists at the same time as this new understanding and this new shift.
It's almost like it's this resistance.
And it's almost like this thing that we have to rally against, like the most fucked up part of human nature.
It's like we have to rally against that.
And that's what unites people.
Otherwise, we'd be too lazy.
Otherwise, we would accept mediocrity.
We would accept a certain slow tempo to the evolution of human consciousness.
But this forces it to act.
All the evil and all the fucked up actions of the world and fucking drone attacks and all this craziness forces us to act and think.
There is part of me that gets scared because I feel like that thing gets backed into a corner and it decides to press the button.
But I think that what's really what's happening is an amplification effect.
I think acts of violence are becoming less, but becoming more amplified because we're so we're becoming so much more appalled at the idea of like the barbarism of war and all the shit that humans do.
I think that that that that what's happening is God hates fags.
These people pop up.
Right.
And then what happens, though?
People organize from the Internet and suddenly God hates fags is now whenever wherever they go, they get surrounded by mobs holding signs.
God hates signs.
God hates this.
God hates that.
Giant signs blocking them out.
So it's like the hate is getting absorbed.
It's getting, it's not working.
It's not working.
It just seems like it's horrible because it's being broadcast to so many people.
But the way people are reacting, that's what's important.
That's what's important.
As long as people are reacting.
You know, that's the number one thing and not ignoring it.
That's great.
And as long as people are reacting in whatever way, just fucking as simple as a thing is like just tweeting, just tweeting something, retweeting something about some of the violence that's happening, just anything to get the information out there and keep that fucking pot bubbling.
That's great, man.
That will continue to push the warmongers into the periphery.
And I think that what just happened with Romney and fucking Obama, Well, we're lucky.
That stuff isn't working in the way it used to work.
And that's the shift.
The mojo that these fucking...
Old white dudes used to have is fading.
It's fading away, man.
It feels like the magic is leaving them, which is why it's so beautiful when you watch Karl Rove on Fox News having a little Wizard of Oz-style man-behind-the-curtain meltdown as he realizes that his evil scheme to try to get Romney into power didn't fucking work.
Who do you think they're going to do with those guns?
They're going to kill people.
That's the craziest idea I've ever heard.
It's almost like that's their excuse, like that's what they're going to say, and they have it planned out and make it look like that's what they're doing, but really what they're doing is they're profiting on selling guns.
They have so many great ways of, like, diffusing information, of adding information to information that's not real, of subtracting shit that it becomes...
You know, like, the government where the president doesn't have to get tried on this.
He invoked this executive privilege.
He doesn't have to testify.
That's squirrely.
That shit's squirrely.
I don't think there's ever a time where anyone should be able to say, like, oh, I had something to do with that whole guns being sold to fucking crazy people who kill people on a regular basis, but I don't want to talk about it.
You either knew about it or you didn't know about it.
If you're running for the office like that, yeah, I mean, that's the, the idea is, you know, To change this fucking businessman president into, like, public servant president.
That's the idea that you want.
You want the fucking guy who, like, runs Costco.
I just saw this thing on Reddit.
The guy who runs Costco pays his employees, like, $18 an hour minimum.
They have health insurance and he only makes $500,000 a year.
This is the guy who fucking runs Costco.
Like, think about that.
Meanwhile, the guy who runs Walmart is, like, something out of fucking Pink Floyd the Wall.
He's just some pig man who's, like...
You know what I mean?
It's crazy.
It's crazy, but that's the shift, man.
We want more things shifting to that so that you get the Costco version of the fucking president that's like, yeah, you know, I'm really just in this because I'm trying to make this country prosperous and the people in this country have as much access to, like, healthcare and what they need to live really great lives.
Well, you know, what I'm really impressed with when you talk to people that work for Google.
When you talk to people that work for Google and they tell you what a great company is to work for and how well they're treated and, like, the facilities, their campus, I guess they call it, a campus.
Dude, any kind of super, anyone who's plugging into this vibe that's happening right now, whatever the fuck this thing is, man, you know right away that it's all about connectivity.
And you know right away that the feeling you get from giving more than you're supposed to give is such an awesome feeling.
And that feeling, that state of mind where you're putting out more than you're supposed to be putting out, it seems like in that state of mind is where the bigger ideas come from anyway.
It's like, That's creating a fertile ground in your consciousness to open up for, like, the big ideas.
But if you're shut down, closed down, if you're fucking...
if you're just one big human muscle spasm pushing all your gems into the black pit of your life, you know, hoarding and hiding and concealing, then you're shut down.
That's when you turn into Donald Trump with his dumbass tweets.
You come in the bathroom and she doesn't know that you used your key to get back in because she didn't hear the door open because she's making that sucking noise.
Yeah, this giant stinger like a scorpion comes over the top of your head so while you're blowing it, And while it's sucking your dick, its stinger is like attached to your spine.
And the stinger has two vice-like tentacles on either side that clamp down on your neck.
So right before it pushes that stinger against your spine, those things get tighter and tighter and it lets you know, don't go anywhere, I'm sucking your dick.
Like, when I think of a succubus, I think of World of Warcraft, this fucking hot chick with, like, leather boots, like a dominatrix with a little whip that, like, you know, over-fucks you, but it's great.
Maybe it starts out as a beautiful girl, and then you realize in the middle of having sex with it, like, sort of like Jack Nicholson when he's making out with that lady in The Shining, and then all of a sudden she was, like, a hundred years old.
Dude, yeah, it's really cool, but it's like just like having these fucking cats is changing the prisoner's behavior in massive ways, man, because they know that if they get in fights, they lose their cat.
If a little fucking kitten can transform some hardcore thug into somebody who's like, you know, I'm not going to fight because Princess is back in the cell and I don't want to lose her.
That's love, man.
That's the most powerful thing.
That's a lot more powerful than being like, we'll put you in solitary confinement if you fuck up.
A lot of people who listened in thought he was off.
And that he would contradict himself.
The fact that he knew so much about those drugs, but yet, we read on Gizmodo, they didn't cite sources, but they said sources close to him say that he's always been interested in finding drugs that make women sexual.
It kind of goes along with the whole 67-year-old guy, 20-year-old girlfriend thing.
It sounds like a dude who's just...
that's his thing.
I don't know.
I mean, he claims not, but he knows so much about them, man.
How the fuck do you know so much about bath salts and MDPV and these different hypersexual compounds?
And how could he tell us the exact chemical composition of it?
Remember when he told us what it actually was?
Why would you say that unless you have great interest in it?
And then the other thing was saying that I'd have to be addicted.
If you can't do that, then I would be on it right now.
Do I sound like I'm on it?
He might be on it right now, but I don't necessarily think that a strong-willed man like that has to be addicted to something.
But I figure if you're a guy like McAfee, he created this business.
He's a very headstrong guy, very powerful guy.
A guy like that could probably quit a really fucking dangerous drug for a little bit.
Sure.
It's hard to tell when someone lies about anything.
If they lie about anything.
Or not completely honest about anything.
You immediately have to look at the whole thing and go, well, if he's not telling the truth about doing those drugs, then how can I listen to all the other stuff?
It sounds like it's a lot of who the fuck knows what to believe at that point.
You know, I mean, I told you there was that story that someone had said that he thought that there was people outside, and he had a conversation.
I heard this.
I heard this.
This you can get on Wired, this discussion.
This is something.
Hold on a second.
I'll find it, because maybe we could pull it up, and it's audio anyway.
Wired, I think it's McAfee off the rails.
Crazy audio.
But he was talking about how there was these people, and they were standing there, they were like military people, and they were standing there, and they didn't say anything.
They just stood there, and he wouldn't move, and so he just stood there too.
And they slowly went away, like after hours and hours.
So he was standing there and he was talking about how much his arm hurt because he was leaning up against this wall.
He couldn't move.
If he moved, they would shoot him.
What the fuck?
Yeah, but then people were saying there's no footprints there.
Well, one of them was about, he had this, he was connected to this It's sort of a sport where they would fly these, looks like motorcycles that are attached to kite wings.
It's really crazy and they're really maneuverable apparently.
But they would do these low altitude, you know, not even altitude, low off, I mean basically just very close to the ground, they would do these Things like acrobatics spin around on these fucking planes.
Well, someone crashed and died.
And so he got sued.
And that's when he decided apparently to move to Belize.
He just loaded up his truck and he moved to Beverly.
He just got the fuck out.
And I guess Belize won't extradite him or something?
I don't know how it works.
He apparently says that if he loses the court cases, it doesn't matter.
They'll just come take his money.
Like, if you lose, you lose.
But that he doesn't believe that he's guilty because he wasn't even driving it.
He wasn't responsible for maintaining it.
It wasn't his, you know what I mean?
It wasn't his fault this guy died like this.
But apparently he was working hard to promote this crazy sort of a sport.
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I had a phone call from John McAfee, who was calling to tell me that the police were closing in.
He had spent the night in an undisclosed house in Belize, sleeping on a bed infested with lice, and that he felt that the end was near, that they would arrest him at any minute, but he was not going to surrender because he was convinced that they would kill him.
I've been following McAfee's case in Belize for the past six months, ever since April 30th, when the police raided him and accused him of being a drug trafficker and possessing illegal firearms.
Over those six months, I've spent weeks in Belize and interviewed McAfee both in person and on the telephone, probably over a hundred hours of interviews.
And I can say without a doubt that he is a very complex person.
But whether or not he's a murderer is yet to be seen.
I recorded McAfee's phone calls to me this morning with his permission, and what follows are those calls.
One of the charges against you is that you're a psychopath.