Joe Rogan and Daniele Bolelli explore Onnit’s ethical supplements, like Alpha Brain, while mocking outdated laws—e.g., marijuana prohibition and absurd nudity fines. They dissect academia’s resistance to new ideas (Galileo, creationism) and societal fragility, from oil dependency to Hurricane Katrina, questioning "good vs. evil" narratives in media like Avatar versus Dexter. Bolelli reveals how podcasts foster global connections, even in war zones, while Rogan teases futuristic biology: computational modeling of evolution, Neanderthal-human sex theories, and robotics replacing body parts. The episode blends humor with critiques of power structures, overpopulation, and niche categorization, ending with Thanksgiving tangents and upcoming guests like Les Stroud. [Automatically generated summary]
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Even about the stuff that you do know about, there will still be the areas that you don't know about.
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It's the nature of the beast, but at the same time, to me, in a way, it doesn't matter because the real deep stuff is the same in any specific field of knowledge you discuss.
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Yeah, and you know, it's like, I think that's part of how religion got a stronghold on humanity, because that reality of all these different things that you don't know, and so much out there that it's...
There was a quote by Terence McKenna about...
I think it was his brother Dennis, actually, that said it.
About expanding the field of vision just really shows you more of what you don't know.
And that if you have a campfire, the brighter the campfire, the more darkness is revealed.
And it's not that you ever uncover it all.
The more information you take in, the more...
It gets more and more confusing to the point where the real comfort comes in simplicity.
That's why I like country music.
Songs are so popular.
The idea of embracing simplicity, especially in this day and age, it's pretty popular because it feels good to pretend that You know, like fucking life's a John Wayne movie.
It feels good to pretend that this stuff makes sense, where the more you look at life and the more you look at all the different variables, and then the fact that we're finite beings, just that alone is the ultimate mindfuck.
That no matter how well you do, you know, you have a short amount of time in this spot, in this dimension.
So, the most noble aspects of religion, I've always defended the noble aspects of religion because I've seen it do good things to people that have issues.
I've seen it used as a scaffolding for developing good ethical and moral behavior.
But the worst aspects of it are always the insistence on limiting information, the insistence on slowing the...
And it's not all religion, by the way, folks, and I'm not blaming all...
But I'm saying there's an aspect, let's not even call it religion, there's an aspect of human nature, when you're in a position of power, and all of a sudden there's information that's coming at you, so you control a bunch of people.
Which, by the way, if you run a school, or if you're a preacher, You're in a position of power.
You might not think of it as a position of power.
You might think of it as a position of teaching, but you're clearly in a position of power.
And it's just very unfortunate that when human beings get to that spot where there's one person controlling another person or in charge of speaking more than the other people, They want to, like, hold that and manipulate it.
And if information comes in, contrary to what they've been teaching, they fight that fucking shit tooth and nail.
And unfortunately, it happens even in the lowest levels of academia.
It doesn't just happen in religion.
It happens when professors get challenged on, you know, long-standing ideas that are proven to be false.
I mean, it goes way...
We want to think that, like, when you go way back to, like, Galileo getting house arrest for saying that the Earth wasn't the center of the universe...
You want to think, yeah, but that was then.
We're past that shit now.
Not quite.
We just have enough information so it's way too ridiculous to lock somebody up for saying that the Earth is in the center of the universe.
But it's still okay to teach in schools that the Earth is only 10,000 years old.
Let's be nice and pretend we don't know what state it is.
But it's definitely where it's warm out.
And these motherfuckers, they're trying to teach alternative theories to the theory of evolution.
And, you know, they're saying, well, it's just a theory.
Evolution is just a theory.
This hasn't been proven.
You show me transitionary fossil...
Listen, forget calling you the evolutionary theory.
Let's just talk about the theory of how shit got to be what it is now.
You know, when you call it evolution, call it whatever you want.
Stop saying a name that you disagree with.
Evolution means lack of God.
Who created evolution?
If you just throw away that word, what's going on?
Well, obviously things are improving right in front of us all the time, constantly.
Whether it's social things, whether it's the physical capabilities of human beings, you know, the size of lions in Africa that get stuck on an island.
When things have to get better or they have to get better at something in order to improve, they do.
And it seems like that's going on from the moment the Big Bang happened to the cooling of these planets to the time where You can support liquid water to the emergence of life.
There's a constant series of complications or a constant process of things being more and more complicated.
And that's just unavoidable.
It seems like that's everywhere around us, everywhere we look.
So you've got to call it something.
Say, maybe there's a God, and maybe what God does is just plant seeds, just like we do when we make a tomato plant.
We're not involved in the entire process.
Maybe the God is the seed planter of the universe, but the motion and the way that everything goes is sort of undeniable.
It becomes more and more complex, and when you have people that are in positions of power that insist on using information that's really fucking old.
There was this one guy, very early Christianity, Carpo Kratis or some weird Greek name like that, that I think second century Christianity, who argued that the way to heaven went through sex orgies.
Wow, what a good guy.
What a good fellow.
What year was this?
Very early on.
It was like, I want to say second century, something like that.
If that dude looked like Channing Tatum, he would never be proposing that.
He'd be like, that's him.
We'll need to settle down.
We'll raise each other's kids.
That's what McKenna proposed, too.
He proposed that there was just these wild psychedelic drug orgies and that they would take mushrooms and have these orgies and that before, you know, when they really couldn't identify who was the father because they were all being polyamorous, as it were.
Having sex with a bunch of different people.
But McKenna, I always felt like there was a little bit of wistfulness in those concepts that I felt like, well, you look at McKenna and you're like, it's probably hard for that guy to get pussy when he was young.
He probably concocted some wacky-ass theories of...
Things gone by the way things were.
Maybe not, dude.
Maybe it's always been cavemen clubbing bitches over heads and dragging them into holes to shoot loads into them.
Because that seems like what it used to be.
At some point in time, did it really become mushroom orgies?
Speaking of photos, just so you guys know why guests may seem distracted and weird, right behind Joe's head, there's this giant picture of a girl with very generous cleavage.
When I was a younger man, I would have loved them so.
But now I look at them and I say, they look great and everything, but I can't get past the irony or the ridiculousness of the fact that there's a bag of water under your nipple.
I mean, it's just like we have, what, San Fernando Valley is world capital of porn, but at the same time, if a woman gets topless on the beach, it's considered indecent exposure and you go to jail.
In Springfield, Virginia, a guy named Eric Williamson was arrested and charged with indecent exposure for failing to put on any clothes after getting up at 5.30am to make some coffee.
You know, it's awesome because all the sexual stuff is, it's hilarious because, especially in Christianity, because Jesus doesn't really talk about sex.
I mean, there's like one minor reference where people think actually it was a joke and he was trying to say the opposite, but in any case, It's a known issue.
It just never touches on the topic.
For all we know, he could have been having orgies from morning to night or could have been totally set.
Wouldn't it be funny if it was just a big misunderstanding and the dummies came along, oh, we've got to throw rocks at them, and then it became that.
It was like if two guys are lying around together, like, you listen, if you want to get really comfortable with each other, you've got to get high first.
Because what happens is, well, beside Muslim invasions in the north to destroy a bunch of temples and all that shit, but then the way Hinduism reacts to it is brilliant.
In the West, when Protestantism comes out of Catholicism, they kill each other for 200 years.
When Buddhism comes out, Hinduism starts checking out what they do, and then they steal a bunch of their ideas, they bring them back into their thing.
So if somebody's Hindu, they see the Buddhist thing, it's like, oh, we already do some of that shit, I don't need to switch religions.
So they just blatantly borrow from it, and so less and less people in India had any need to convert, because they could find room for that stuff within Hinduism.
Oh, that's sort of how Christianity absorbed a lot of pagans with changing their holidays.
Like the Christmas religion or the Christmas holiday and making that Jesus' birthday when Jesus is really supposed to be born in June or something, right?
There's no other religion that I know that is so intent on the cleansing of consciousness.
And the purity of thought, the idea of meditation and isolating your consciousness to clear out all these impractical ideas like material wealth and the need for sexual satisfaction.
All those different things managed through Buddhism.
That's very rare that...
An ideology takes on such a strong and disciplined stance about expanding consciousness.
That's a fascinating thing because that's sort of the case with anything that you're trying to achieve.
Whether you're doing martial arts or you're doing art or anything.
You're trying to...
Find your own path through the example of others.
And that's one of the things that's really important about being around bad motherfuckers.
People don't understand.
They really underestimate the importance of being around bad motherfuckers.
You've got to know what other people are capable of, what they can do, in order to be truly, in my experience, to be truly inspired.
And when you find people that are, like, jealous around bad motherfuckers or try to hold people down, if you find, like...
If you have friends and those...
Like, okay, just to you, whoever you are, if you're a cockblocker, if you're one of those guys that tries to fuck your friends' girlfriends or you get jealous when your friend's successful and you talk shit about him behind his back and you stab him in the back...
You're just fucking yourself.
If you see some guy and he's doing better than you, you either have to accept one or two things.
You've got to go, that guy is crazy.
He works too hard.
Because there is that.
There is that.
There's a lot of jealousy that's misplaced.
Because really that person probably doesn't have as good a life as you if you know some good fishing spots.
But if you start feeling negative feelings towards them because they're successful, that's...
That's bad for you, man.
The negative feelings that you're feeling towards him, they will fucking affect you.
They will come after you.
They will chip away at your self-esteem.
Your mind will know that you're thinking about...
Like when you – like I've seen this before where a guy becomes like real successful.
Like at the comedy store, it was always like some guy would get a movie or something or a series and take off.
Then you see other comics.
They're like, yeah, well, he's got a show now, man.
This fucking guy's got a show.
Meanwhile, they were like buddies just like a month ago.
And this guy – somehow or another, that guy's success is causing this dude uncomfortable feelings.
And so what he does is lashes out at the person who's successful.
You're lashing out at yourself.
You gotta take your medicine.
That feeling that you get when you know that you haven't done the best you can do, that's to keep you from doing that again.
That terrible feeling of regret.
Don't lash out at other people.
Just take your fucking medicine and get your shit together.
That is the most important aspect of living this life.
Managing your energy and managing to keep it somehow, keeping your thoughts, keeping your consciousness, your focus in a good direction, in a healthy direction.
I love working for the UFC. I look forward to the big fights.
I look forward to the little fights that nobody even cares about.
I love what I do.
The thing that makes me the happiest in life is that I've found all these things that interest me.
I know we all have different personalities.
We had Tim Ferriss here yesterday and that motherfucker likes the salsa dance, okay?
I don't get it.
I don't get it, but I love Tim Ferriss.
So, I found things that stimulate me, for whatever reason, and those are the things that I pursue.
So, I'm constantly motivated and energized by my activities.
All the things that I do, like, I've had jobs before, and even a job like Fear Factor, which was a great job, still, I would be like, what the fuck am I doing here, man?
Right.
Collecting a check.
This is not what I would rather be doing.
If you could figure out a way to live your life where everything you're doing is what you want to do at that moment, that's a really difficult thing to manage.
I have to think that...
I know that I've worked very hard, but I think I'm very fortunate.
I think everybody has their own take on what life is really all about, what it is for them.
You've got to find out what your thing is.
Whether it's studying ancient religions, or some people, they get their fucking thrills out of combing a mountainside with a brush looking for fossils.
That thrills them to no end.
Everybody's got their own fucking vibe, and If you want to be a happy person, you've got to find your vibe.
That, to me, has always been the biggest problem that I have with any sort of totalitarian or any sort of really strict ideology.
You cannot apply the same rules and the same behavior patterns to everybody.
Because when you do that, you lose the beauty of the freak.
We're talking about Joey Diaz today, me and my friend Aubrey.
We're having a conversation about Joey, about how awesome he is.
He's just such a rare person.
He's just such a rare freak.
He's just a crazy dude.
I can't get him into other countries because he fucking, back in the day, kidnapped a dude.
Machine gun, stole coke from him.
He's crazy!
He can't go to Seattle.
He's got warrants.
I mean, he's a maniac, but he's a beautiful craziness.
Like, all his nutty life experiences, both positive and negative, have...
You made this incredible person that you really...
He's a joy to be around.
And he's a beautiful human being.
He's always hugging people and everywhere he goes, he's like your number one fan.
He's happy to see you.
He's the type of guy that'll go to the same places in his neighborhood all the time.
As soon as he walks in, they all know him.
They're like, Joey, what's going on, Joey?
What are you doing, cocksucker?
What are you doing?
And they're just like this burst of happiness because this guy's around.
Well, you know, if you follow the tenets of most religions, that guy's, you know, he's a fucking sinner by the highest stretch of the imagination.
Like when you're in school, they don't want any acting out.
They don't want anybody who's not.
That's the weirdest thing about school is that just by virtue of the fact that you have to sit there and do the work when they say you have to sit there and do the work.
Just by virtue of that, they control your consciousness and you relinquish your consciousness to them.
And that sets you up for a lifetime of work where you're doing what you don't want to do when they want you to do it.
And you wrote something recently that I read where it seemed like you just had a really frustrating moment or you had to release yourself with your writing about academia.
I'm frustrated by all the rest, the administration and, uh, bullshit that's around.
I mean, I noticed the, my teaching students are always ecstatic.
Oh man, you're doing such a good job.
Sometimes I'm like, really?
Because I was having a really shitty day and I feel like I gave you crap.
That's good?
Like, yeah, yeah, this is awesome.
I'm like, no.
But then I look in the next class and I look at what regular teaching looks like and it makes you want to shoot yourself because it's dry as hell.
There's no attempt to connect it to real life.
Academia is like its own little dead box for the most part.
And the only reason why people read academic stuff is because somebody's forcing them to Because nobody's gonna go out and buy that book and spend it on Saturday night.
You know, the problem with academia is that it's populated 90% by people who spend their Saturday night shining their PhDs and devising new ways to squeeze all joy out of learning.
Is part of it just the idea of just going to school for a long time yourself and that you sort of get used to this fact, this cold hard fact that you have to do things you don't want to do?
Probably that, I'm sure that has a lot to do with it.
You come to accept the norms of, like in any field, when they school you into the field and they try to mold you in what the expert look like, they are basically trying to squash your individuality, exactly the things you were saying about Joey, you know, the stuff that makes you you that's wild and weird and That all gets to be squashed in the name of becoming a professional.
And so academia does that as well.
You know, grad school is a mind-ambient torture for the most part.
But to give an idea of how low the bar is about this stuff, because that's exactly, the scenario you're describing is exactly what happens.
To give an idea of how low the bar is, the first day of classes, any semester I teach, first day, I'll go in, I'll put on red hot chili peppers, and I'll give out the syllables, shaking hands with people.
Not a big deal, right?
All you did is press play for some music and shook hands with another human being for two seconds each.
When I used to teach Taekwondo, everybody was Mr. It was Mr. O'Malley, Mr. Smith, Mr. Kim.
It's very formal.
Whenever they address you, yes sir, no sir, it's always sir.
That immediately puts that air of them being above you.
It's very cultish, a lot of martial arts behavior.
And it's managed in a good way, so it's beneficial and it's good for your character.
But the same aspects of it easily can be manipulated.
And we all know martial arts...
Of course.
And you have been for a long time.
We all know, like, there's always stories of, like, it's always, like, a guy is molesting his students, like a young teenage girl that's, like, you know, learning under him or, you know, that kind of a situation.
Like, very similar to the type of situations where you would have, like, preachers would do something like that or professors.
There's always professors that are banging their students and scandals will arise where they give preferential treatment to girls who give head.
So all that crap about, oh, you're not supposed to hug your students because that would be sexual harassment or some shit, I totally ignore it, but at the same time, yeah, you want to be careful with people.
Wouldn't it be great if we just had teachers that wouldn't do anything creepy?
Wouldn't that be way simpler?
Right.
We'd need...
It's not going to happen.
Is it possible to ever get to a position where you have an enlightened group of people that are teaching students in this open and friendly way where we actually have a group of people that come out of these classes and can contribute to society?
It's always amazing to me when you show up at a place and it's like one place and they specialize in cheese.
And you go there and everyone's a cheese expert and they're all super knowledgeable and they're really nice and friendly and it's like a small family business and all the pieces are in place.
How is this even possible?
How can you get this perfect environment, even if it's just a small cheese store?
And is it possible to get that on a grand scale, like a university?
But that's why even the single small case usually works during that first generation with the energy of the people who put it in there, who made the place amazing.
Rarely you're gonna go three generations down the road and the same thing is gonna be going on.
Yeah, when I look at people and when I look at the greater historical picture that we have of the human race, and you see all these peaks and valleys and peaks and valleys of civilization and decline.
It seems to me like it's really hard for people to figure something out and then pass it on to other people with the same impact as them figuring it out themselves.
So you have all these accomplishments of the people that came before you, like running water and electricity, but yet they're being enjoyed by people who don't even understand them a little bit.
Wow.
Really can't appreciate the position of excellence and amazement that you really should be in in this 2012 era.
I mean, even if you look at something as simple as oil, which we base our old civilization that runs on oil right now, oil, I mean, we know that it's not going to last that long.
We don't know exactly how long.
It could be a century, which case, you know, it doesn't affect us.
Yeah, well, I think that, yeah, we actually had this discussion yesterday, the idea of the race.
There's a race, like, society is running out of resources, and we're, you know, living in this crazy sort of, still this barbaric conqueror sort of a way.
Stealing resources from other nations.
But at the same time, technology and the connectedness of human beings is reaching like epic levels that it's never reached before.
And it's one of the reasons why it's making it so much more difficult to govern.
It blew my mind the other day when I got these emails.
I was speaking of this ability to connect with people on a greater scale and all of that that you're mentioning.
I got an email maybe four or five days ago when the very beginning of the Israeli-Palestinian thing that just started.
I get this email from this guy in Israel who tells me he just ran into a bomb shelter and he's just hanging out there for the time being.
And he has to say, you know, I have enough food, I have enough water, but what I'm doing to kill time in the meantime is Joe Rogan Experience, Duncan Trussell podcast, and my podcast.
And I was like, fuck.
I really are in a bunker in Israel with missiles flying, and they are telling me that.
That already blows my mind.
Now, a day later, or two days or something, I got an email from some guy, Palestinian guy, who lives in France, who tells me all about, oh, I like this thing you did, da-da-da, and then he started getting about, You know, I'm really freaked out about my family in Gaza.
I'm super scared.
And, you know, you might want to know that what I'm doing right now to be able to chill out a second and not freak out about these things is I'm listening to you, I'm listening to Rogue, and I'm listening to Trusted.
I'm like, you've got to be fucking kidding me, right?
You know, one Israeli guy, one Palestinian guy basically telling me the exact same thing.
Yeah, with youthful societies in this day and age, like the youth of societies in this day and age, they have a perspective that really was never achievable before.
And they have an access to things like podcasts and the internet and websites.
There's not as much difference between people as there used to be.
That's the beauty of globalization in a cultural level and rather in an economic level is the fact that, yeah, nationalism is going to go down.
All these bullshit stereotypes about the people from across any border will become easier to know real shit rather than made-up facts that nobody got to test anyway because you never got to see them.
Yeah, it's funny how everyone's scared of the idea of the new world order.
You know, everybody's scared of the idea of one global government.
Like, I remember there's this big thing, McCaffrey on CNN was talking about the Amero, that we're going to merge with Mexico and Canada, and that's why they're crashing the economy in order for us to come up with an Amero, and then we have one currency for the entire region.
I'm like, how is that fucking you any less than you're getting fucked up?
Are you going to really trip out about that?
Right.
It seems like Guantanamo Bay would be the same.
Would Guantanamo Bay be the same if it was one world government?
If we really want to call ourselves the shining hope for civilization, how do we have something like Guantanamo Bay?
How do we take these dudes and put blindfolds on them and fucking dog collar them behind their hands?
You know, one of the things that cracks me up about, well, maybe cracks me up is the wrong word after mentioning Guantanamo, but in any case, one of the things that's Weird to me is, I'll take an example of the United States government.
People are either flag-waving, we are the greatest country on earth kind of shit, or usually when they start finding out that no, it's not all beautiful and you start finding out, oh, we just happened to kill a few hundred thousand Indians and enslave a bunch of people and, you know, set up a military coup in Chile and did all this shit in Guatemala.
You know, all of the ugly stuff of American history.
People flip and they're like, The only evil in the world is the U.S. government and everybody else who's against it must be nice.
So if some crazy fundamentalist is nice...
No, they're just misunderstood, really.
It's like, fuck, man.
It's not all black and white.
It's not that there's all that good guys, bad guys stories.
Well, that's why people are terrified of someone like that American Taliban guy that decides the United States is evil and is going to join the Taliban.
Yeah.
It's like people, they have a very simplistic view of the world that's shaped by fiction.
And fiction has ruined many a mind to the complexities of the actual real reality that we live in.
Because most fiction is being distributed in a way that I don't think the human brain is designed to process.
Like...
The idea of movies.
The human body does not know what the fuck to do with movies.
And that's one of the reasons why they're so amazing to us.
When you go see something like Avatar, and then you leave the theater and you have Avatar depression, that shit's real.
People have Avatar depression because they wish that life could be like it is in Navia, wherever the fuck it is.
Where is it?
Navia?
Yeah.
Guess what?
It's not even real in Navia.
Okay, you fucked?
Navia's not real, goddammit.
But we imitate our atmospheres.
We're set up to do that.
You know, if I live in a tribe and Daniele Bolelli's there, I want to listen to Daniele Bolelli because this guy's got the information.
He's the head of the tribe.
Let's follow him.
And we can learn from him, and it allows us to learn things without having to fucking risk getting eaten by boars ourselves.
Like, we understand.
We get the knowledge of that from you.
And then we see things, and we see things.
Like, something happens to somebody, and it's a shocking thing, and you learn from it.
You see drama and all these different various things that we're set up.
We have, like, all these...
Reward systems in our mind, in our body, in our human system that are set up to sort of interpret all these different things that are happening in the world and place them in a way that allows you to stay alive the longest, to breathe the most effectively.
But when you sit someone down in front of a movie screen, All those triggers and all those reward systems and all those different things that you have that have passed human beings from generation to generation until they've gotten to this point.
All those things that are set up to reward you for certain things in the material world are being manipulated by giant HD screens and THX sound and fucking perfectly written scripts and special effects and CGI. And then, you know, you really think that there's fucking good guys and bad guys out there.
That's why I like modern, like the last decade or two of television, because it's changing the rules of the game.
You know, you go from your traditional good guys, bad guys story, to now you have, you know, shows like Dexter, where the hero is the serial killer, or the Sopranos, or even something like Game of Thrones.
This forum, the complete open free forum, like a real complete open free forum.
This is what has been missing.
In our society for a long fucking time.
You could not get any mass distributed product, whether it was a television show or a radio show.
You really couldn't get anything that had as few rules as what podcasts have.
And have the ease of distribution the way they have.
I mean, like we were talking about a guy in Palestine and a guy in Israel, and he's listening to these podcasts in a bunker.
It's fucking crazy.
That didn't exist before.
There was no way for those guys to be exposed to all these different ideas.
And expose us to all these different ideas, too.
One of the cooler things about what's going on with this experience of podcasting and social media, for me personally...
It's very much a two-way street.
I get a lot of feedback and a lot of information and a lot of fuel from the people in social media, just from articles to read or interesting points that someone might have, whether they disagreed with me or whether they had an alternative point of view that you might also want to consider this.
A lot of fucking like-minded, cool, interesting people are out there.
No, in fact, man, I actually, without kissing your ass, but I have to thank you to no end because ever since being on your podcast the first time and then jumping on Duncan's podcast and so on, it really opened up my world exactly to what you're saying, realizing that there are a bunch of people around the world who may be, you know, the weird freak of the little place where they live where it doesn't mix with everyone else.
But thanks to internet, you can click and connect with a greater, bigger world that It's awesome what you put in touch with.
In many ways, without sounding too flamboyant, it really makes me feel better about humanity, finding out that that stuff is out there.
I don't know, man.
I think it really blew my mind after being on your show the first time and then being invited again.
We're beginning to realize that there are other ways of communicating beside the ones I'm familiar with and the effect that it has on people.
Real effect, you know, real shit that people...
Those are the best emails, right?
When people write you stuff that happened to them, how they dealt with or how something random that you said in five minutes on a podcast affected somebody in Australia and that was a huge thing for their life.
And you're like...
It's like the most humbling thing in the world, you know?
If it wasn't for people like you that I have these interesting conversations with, I wouldn't be able to do this either.
If it was just me by myself, I repeat the same stories with guests.
Imagine me by myself.
This podcast would suck.
I need people to talk to.
And that's part of the beauty of having a podcast is that it If you look at human consciousness as sort of a, like, almost like, you know those, the computer programs, brains, you know, where, you know, you just have a thought and then all these branches off a thought.
A lot of comedians use them to organize data, to organize jokes and segues and stuff like that.
If you look at the human consciousness as one big sort of brain...
What we've essentially done by having hundreds and hundreds of hours of this sort of open-minded, sometimes silly, but honest and friendly discussion is that you start this other branch and then boom, these things blossom off of this branch.
Whether it's the Duncan Trussell podcast or the Joey Diaz podcast or Tom Segura's podcast, With his wife, Christina, whatever it is, your podcast, these branches break off and form their own branches and then it sort of attracts this group of people who get all this positive...
Energy from these discussions and all this positive feedback, this resonance that you get from all these people that are really feeling excitement and joy and enjoyment from these discussions and it really does improve their life.
It's almost like a sect of consciousness.
We all know what we accept.
We all know that this is good for everybody.
We all know that there's a way to live life where you can be as friendly as possible whenever you can.
It doesn't mean not calling people on their bullshit either, because by the way, they need that.
And if someone calls you on your bullshit, you should go, take your fucking medicine and go, you know what, you're right.
I was a douche there.
I fucked up.
I didn't mean to do that.
It wasn't my intention.
That's one of the most interesting things about having a forum like that.
The ability to do that.
The ability to create...
Some big just network of human beings all connected to each other.
Just like this podcast happened completely organically.
I mean, before this podcast, I was just, you know, we were just doing stand-up, and I would write blogs a lot, and, you know, and every now and then we would do, like, a thing, I think we did it on Justin TV, where we would put a laptop online and all look through the web camera and go, what's up, bitch?
You know, like, It was really stupid.
But this sort of slowly but surely turned into what it is now.
And now when I do these shows and I meet all these people that say, oh, it changed their life.
I try to, first of all, I try to bring as many other people through.
The way I describe it is like we found a hole.
We found a hole in the fence.
What I'm trying to do is bring as many cool people through the hole as possible.
And that's, to me, one of the most important aspects of...
The position, like when you're in a position where people are paying attention, like they're paying attention to you, you should point out some stuff that you've seen.
You know, whether it's really good bands or really funny people or really interesting things.
So my whole approach to it, whether it's Twitter or anything, is constantly pointing out the things that I find fascinating and I find interesting.
And even that, speaking of changing lives, how many doors do you open that way for somebody who maybe is exactly what we're describing earlier, somebody who's Awesome at what they do.
They work hard.
They are sensitive.
They need that break of luck.
One moment that opens one door that makes stuff happen for them.
But also, I've heard that he was amazing to a lot of people, too.
It makes me wonder, like, what would these people like that he was a jerk to?
I don't know, you know?
I don't, you know...
I just used him as an example because he was always the guy who influenced comedians the most, helped comedians.
And Rodney Dangerfield was another one.
Rodney Dangerfield, what he did was he figured out that one of the best things that he could do with all of his fame was to introduce the world to other comedians.
So that's how we found out about Dice Clay.
That's how we found out about Sam Kinison.
Rodney Dangerfield was the best at helping other people out and introducing the world to all these other talented people.
And I mean, that's the thing, rather than having the balls of just owning your mistakes, you know, big deal, because everybody makes mistakes, everybody fucks up, and that's the beauty, because that's when you learn stuff.
Rather than dealing with it like, hey man, whether I learn something from you or you learn something from me is a win anyway.
You know, it's like, you win more in a way when you fuck up, because you're going to learn shit from it, and then you can move on and improve essentially as a human being.
People get stuck over the embarrassment or, ooh, I messed up.
I need to hide it.
I need to squash it.
I need not to see it.
And it's like, great, then you're going to do it ten more times because you're not dealing with it now.
Yeah, barring physical limitations like horrific injuries or whatever, most of what you have in life that you go through that's very difficult is an opportunity to grow.
It's hard for people to wrap their heads around that, but we all can do better.
I'm not saying that every horrible thing that happens to you, you should be happy for them.
No, but you can turn it into something that motivates you and benefits you.
It's just really hard for people to do.
It's really hard for people to just put in the fucking work.
And it's hard to feel good about that.
It's hard to feel good about putting in the work and doing difficult shit.
But that's why, to me, it's funny because you've got either the people who try to rationalize every bad shit that happens and is all, it's, everything happens for a reason.
It's in the name.
And I just want to punch them in the face because it's like, come on, man.
The management of the human consciousness to me is one of the most important things that a person needs to learn in life.
And one thing that they don't fucking teach you in school.
That is one of the craziest things about school is that they don't teach you how to organize your mind and how to defeat negative thinking.
And how to encourage positive thinking and build momentum with positive acts, how to reinforce those positive things, write things down that are doing well, celebrate them with each other, pass milestones.
There's a reason why belts in martial arts exist for thousands of years.
You fucking feel good when you get a belt.
I remember when I got my blue belt, I was on a fucking television show, okay?
And the only thing I thought about being on the television show was like, eh, this is kind of cool.
I'm on TV. It's great.
It's good money.
I feel very fortunate.
But it didn't give me the rush that I got when I got a blue belt.
I was like, holy shit, I got a blue belt in jujitsu.
I'm not a white belt anymore.
You know, it's like, whoa!
I fucking was beaming that day.
I went home.
I was all excited.
Wow, I got my first belt.
Like, this is awesome.
Like, it was like a real positive feeling of moving forward.
That's something that you...
People need a discipline, man.
They need a little something to do, whether it's writing or whether it's, you know, martial art or fucking...
Just become a marathon runner.
You need something where you push yourself so you can learn what you can do.
There's going to be people who don't like your work and it's going to crush you.
And they might be right.
They might be right.
Or they might be haters.
You find out a lot about life dealing with people through your own discipline and people that are in similar disciplines.
It's just that aspect of education is so lacking and so crazy when you really think about engineering a society, engineering the consciousness of a society, which is what education is really supposed to be about, really.
Essentially, you're making sure that the future generations are capable of contributing.
I had people, shit, I remember a guy at UCLA once telling me he had a tenure-track job there and he was a professor and he was like, You know, this is a great gig if only I didn't have to teach.
What?
Because he primarily wanted to research and write in his stupid academic journal and do his thing and do that.
And I mean, you know, even exceptions, even a lot of exceptions, if you get like 20% of people who are good, that's awesome.
That's actually good in a teaching environment, which when you think about it, you're really dealing with eight people who kind of suck, which is awful.
In a lot of humanities, social science, the reality is that the so-called research is stuff written in this stuffy academic language that the only other people are going to read are eight other experts in the field that you might as well call them, right?
And it's designed almost to be not something that's communicable to regular audiences because that makes you look cool and learned and all of that.
And to me, that's the exact opposite of Communication Master.
You know, Communication Master is taking really difficult ideas and translating them in ways that anybody can relate to, right?
Making them digestible so that from any walk of life, you can see a connection to your life.
This is taking it the exact opposite direction.
It's making it weird and this pseudo-intellectual game for nerds with walking to a library 40 years ago and never saw the light of the sun again.
What percentage of teachers do you think are really innovating and trying to provide a better learning environment and trying to, like, You must have a bunch of professors that you are cool with.
There are certain general standards that are expected, and then each school can push its policies in certain directions.
So there are both things exist.
But they're usually not based on what you're saying, in making you a better human being.
That's not the goal of education.
It's giving you a bunch of knowledge about stuff you didn't know about, which may be useful, and some people will be able to take a lot out of it and turn it into something that actually applies to life, or maybe useless crap that's invading your head for no good reason.
There's no connection to real life a lot of the time.
You know what I mean?
That's the biggest problem.
It remains, even when it's good, it's a theoretical game that's not designed to change how you get up from the seat and walk through class, how you are as a human being, how you feel.
It's not designed to affect that.
It's purely about knowledge for knowledge's sake.
Which, you know, it has some good sides, but it also has some major limits right there.
If you're just learning grammar, language, education, logic, mathematics, you start going over the various disciplines and the various things that a person can...
There's not enough time in your young life to really put together an accurate piece of the world and then go out and be a part of it.
That's the weirdest thing about school is that when most of my friends that graduated college, like right when they got out, that was like one of the weirdest times of their life where they were like, fuck, now what?
You know?
Now what?
I've fucking been buried in books for all these years and trying to figure...
And now I'm out there like, okie dokie.
Like, here goes.
Here goes nothing.
It's almost like it's real hard to get a realistic view of the world before you're an adult.
If you're a nerd and we live in this idea that your thoughts are really this gnome that's stuck in your head that's directing the machine of the body so that who you are physically doesn't really affect your consciousness, which is essentially what school tells you, right?
Because, I mean, look at how people learn.
You go sit into these really uncomfortable chairs facing forward.
Your body wants to stretch.
You want to move.
You want to shake some energy.
You can't.
You're supposed to stay there.
Listen.
Listen to some bastard up there who's going blah, blah, blah, blah.
So having things that are about giving a lot more importance to the body, to physical experiences.
Not only as your two hours of PE somewhere, which is It's not about consciousness.
It's about moving muscle and shit, which is nice, but it's not the same thing.
It's also emphasizing how, through a whole variety of physical discipline, you can affect the mind, you can affect spirit, if you want to get that far.
There's a connection between all these different things.
Whereas we have this mentality that knowledge is about knowledge's sake, there's relatively no connection to your body, and very little connection to actually applying that knowledge in real life.
To me, it's missing the point.
If it doesn't improve the quality of your life, what the hell is the point?
I don't mean just, oh, it needs to make the corn grow or some stuff.
It could even intellectually improve the quality of your life because it makes you happy, because it makes you relate better to other human beings.
Well, that has an effect on life.
I'm talking about knowledge that just about in the year 1763 it is happened and there's no attempt to link it with why, what's the point, what's the lesson you can learn, what can you get out of it for your life.
Part of it, sure, sure, because there's a bunch of factual things you need to get, and they are less controversial, you know, there's no argument about the factual stuff, whereas when you're, quote unquote, trying to educate somebody, there's also an element of who are you?
Are you a human being who has something to offer to somebody else, or are you some guy in a position of power who's trying to force his own more subjective thing on people?
I've talked to a lot of dudes who are in Afghanistan who listen to the podcast over there.
A lot of the troops listen to the podcast over there.
And it's a weird conversation, you know.
I've had a bunch of them with dudes after shows.
I go, listen, man, you don't even know, but you guys kept me sane when I was over there.
That's another strange responsibility for people that are in such a tough position, like to be over at war and to be providing them with some other thoughts.
So listen, amphetamines and steroids and keep pulling that trigger and run.
You didn't create this shit.
You just stuck in it.
It's like the running man.
Just get through it.
Before the aliens land.
What do you think about all these ancient aliens motherfuckers that want to say that the original sources of humanity was that we were created by aliens?
Well, I used to talk about it on stage that you try wrapping your head around the fact that 200 years ago, if you wanted a picture of something, you had to draw it.
It's like what I was saying about the rise and fall of these civilizations.
We're experiencing and we're benefiting from something we don't even understand a little bit.
Whereas when you were living in the pioneer days, everything was pretty fucking straightforward.
You had to fix that wagon wheel.
And this is what you got to do.
You got to take some wood and pound the metal and do this and then put the wheel back on.
And if you want to shoot a deer, you've got to sneak up on it.
And this is how you skin it.
And this is how you cut it.
And if it's fucking hot out, you better smoke that shit and turn it into beef jerky.
Otherwise, it'll go bad.
We knew how to manage all of the things that we had in our environment.
And if we didn't, we knew a guy in town who did.
Well, I'm not a blacksmith, but Bob is.
And I'll go to Bob and get some horseshoes.
I remember that movie, The Unforgiven, the Clint Eastwood movie.
Seeing him out on the farm with his fucking kids, trying to farm and falling flat on his face, trying to push pigs into a pen, that was reality for everybody.
That was the only way to live.
That's all that existed, and you knew how to manage all the different aspects of your life.
You understood how a gun worked.
You understood how to sharpen an axe.
Not anymore, man.
I don't fucking press buttons.
I don't even understand.
I've never even thought about trying to understand wireless internet, but I'm on it right now.
I've never even thought about attempting for a moment to gain any sort of an understanding of it.
Probably, because when you look at the speed of technological innovation of not the last thousand years, the last hundred, when you consider maybe 150, electricity, phones, cars, airplanes, TV, radio, computer...
All of it is mind-blowing, really.
I remember when I was a kid in Italy, And I'm not like this old guy who's like, you know, back in my time.
No, I mean, I'm late 30s and I remember when I was a kid, if I wanted to find out who won the NBA Finals, I would call the one Italian magazine that cover basketball.
They had talked to their friend in New York who had given them the news.
And so maybe two days later when they opened for business, I get to find out who won the NBA Finals.
If I don't make that call, I have to wait a month for the magazine to be published so I know who won the game.
And I'm like...
And that was, what, 25 years ago or something?
30 years ago?
Are you kidding me?
I mean, now you can be in some hole in the wall somewhere, you have internet connection, and you can watch it live, and it's insane.
They were around until, relatively speaking, not that long ago, because they went extinct like maybe 30,000 years ago or something, and they were around since maybe 200,000 years ago.
That's a lot of time shared by homo sapiens sapiens and the neanderthal at the same time.
Well, because I mean, a lot of Homo sapiens is a lot of the evidence that we have, typically what we could, like, the stuff passed 100,000 years ago, we really don't know a whole lot about.
You know what I mean?
There's like, you find a fragment of a tooth from 300,000 years, and then you find a little finger from, it's like, so putting together, there's a lot of guesswork involved about this stuff.
And that's part of what's fun about it, is that every other day there's new articles coming in with new theories that make it, that change that.
It's like the stuff that we thought we knew until yesterday, scratch that, that was bullshit.
We actually now know that what you just said, like, you know, 500 years ago, 500,000 years ago, they used on tools, whereas before we thought a lot less.
That stuff is constantly changing.
But one of the theories up until, as far as I know, still current was that Neanderthals were the first to bury their dead, which is a trip itself that some non-human species, or rather related to us but not us, could do the exact same thing.
Wouldn't it be crazy if humans learned how to seafare from Neanderthals?
I say humans, because they actually were humans.
I'm saying it wrong.
But they did it before us, supposedly.
But then there's other people that think that we absorb them.
You know, there's two different schools of thought on that.
One of them is that we interbred with them, and one of them is that, no, we just shared DNA from the get-go, and it's just we're better at understanding that now.
If they could get some, if they're in the middle of nowhere, if you're like hunting elk with a stick, and you find some hot Neanderthal chick, and she's ready to go, you're like, alright, come on, let's do this.
I've traveled before, cross-country, where you're on the road for days on end, and after a while, from state after state, you see the average woman being 300 pounds, when suddenly you see a 200-pound woman, and you're like, oh My God, that's so hot!
100,000 years ago, these guys were taking boats as far as 12 kilometers.
That's pretty incredible, man.
That's really incredible.
Well, actually, some of them even 40 kilometers.
Some of them made even more ambitious journeys.
That's amazing, man.
How the fuck did Homo sapiens just occur?
I mean, it's not like it just occurred, but if you really stop and look at us, the fleshy, weak-ass bitches, but very, very clever...
And compare us to all the other apes.
What a weird sort of a journey to go from whatever the fuck it is.
I don't understand the creation of species.
I understand the evolution once a species has been established for the most part.
What's currently understood about that.
I've sort of tried to wrap my head around that.
But I don't understand the emergence.
How does a frog just become a frog?
Where does an eagle come from?
Was there some steps along the way?
I'm sure there were.
The problem with the fossil record, though, it's that there's not enough evidence left behind to really piece an accurate – most shit doesn't become a fossil.
I listened to this lecture once, I think it was another McKenna one, where he was talking about if you had a computer of sufficient power and you understood wind variables and you understood you could program...
All the measurements from a sand dune and from that sand dune you could get a map of the wind and you could you could literally get an accurate representation of how fast the wind was blowing and for how long and how did it create this from the this mass of sand and I always wondered like I wonder if what just what we can do now is so bizarre as far as exchange data and as far as figure things out and communication I wonder
if it's possible to take the results of life on this planet in what we know of over the last 20, 30, whatever it is, 100 years of accurate history and put what we know to be 100% true in some sort of a gigantic mathematical program and extrapolate the past from that or make a calculation from what we know.
And literally be able to get an accurate representation of everything from single-celled organisms to dinosaurs all the way to a human being and recreate that in a way that people could actually watch.
Before that, I'm imagining, can you picture when they finally figured out very realistic robots that look like humans and everybody can buy like the hottest possible sex partners on the planet for like 500 bucks at Target?
It's like society as we know it will come to an end once that sex toys will be perfected because no one will leave the damn house if you have in your closet 10 of the hottest women or men or whatever.
We had a dude on the other day who is a robotics expert, Daniel H. Wilson.
Fascinating guy.
Great conversation.
He freaked me the fuck out, man.
We were talking about when's the first guy going to cut his legs off and put robot legs on.
I was like, ah!
It really made me cringe when he said it because I was like, he's right and that's going to happen.
There's going to come a point in time, we were talking about amputees who now run in the Olympics with special prosthetics, that one day they're going to have legs that are better than a human.
You're going to laugh at human legs.
They're going to have some fucking awesome...
They came up with some artificial skin cell that was mixed with steel.
I've got to understand how the fuck they did that.
Let me Google this real quick, but it's the beginning.
It's an artificial human cell with somehow or another fucking steel fibers woven into it.
Yeah.
I don't know what the fuck they did.
I don't totally understand it.
But they're able to create artificial cells now.
And it's not all with flesh.
They can do it with varying materials.
They think they're going to be able to create skin based on spider silk or spider webs that's bulletproof.
I mean, it's a miracle already when you're driving on the freeway and you look at all the people driving and you figure, really, we're not crashing into each other every second.
Everybody involved in this podcast has benefited from saying things that were uncalled for.
I think the world can use a little more uncalled for shit.
Alright, goddammit.
Everybody wants everything to be beautiful and perfect and called for.
Sometimes, no.
There's hiccups.
We're figuring this thing out as we move along, folks.
No one's got it down to a science.
None of those Buddhist monks even get laid.
Okay?
That's how you know the Buddhists are wrong.
They're wrong too.
Everybody's wrong.
You know why they're wrong?
No pussy.
That's simple.
Simple.
Have you ever had sex?
Yes.
Isn't it awesome?
Yes, it is.
They're not having something awesome.
If you live your life and you don't experience something that's one of the best things you can experience, you're missing out on one of the best parts about this life.
The idea is, well, it consumes you and you want to be free from that.
Listen.
Stop being a silly bitch.
Stop being a silly bitch.
It doesn't have to consume you.
That's like someone who's an alcoholic saying that no one should enjoy wine.
Right.
Well, that's not true because some people can have wine and then they get laughing and have a great conversation and have sex with someone they probably wouldn't have sex with.
I would join the Mormons before I would join any other religion, especially old school ones that had eight wives.
I think they knew how to rock it!
I would go down to Mexico and join up with the Mitt Romney's clan, take up guns against the cartels.
At least they had a bunch of wives.
I mean, it seems like no one can figure out the whole monogamy thing.
You look at the divorce rate in America, I think now it's 51%.
And for primates, it's zero.
It's zero monogamous primates.
Zero.
We're the only ones who pull it together.
We keep it together.
We'll keep it together for 100 years, then you die.
But if people live to be infinity, once Ray Kurzweil's ideas come to light and we have endless existences, by the time we get to that point, I bet we'll have some sort of artificial reality anyway that people will be enjoying more than regular reality anyway.
There'll be some World of Warcraft shit that you can plug your brain into.
Do you think it's a nurtured thing from childhood that like...
Some people get stimulated as a child, and they start pursuing that road, and then it becomes a part of their natural existence, and then it becomes normal to them?
Well, I certainly think if you look at the human race as being one big, crazy, giant organism, you would think that everybody would have a part in it in order for it to keep progressing, and that it wouldn't really work the right way if everybody was the same.
If everybody was the same, there really wouldn't be that much innovation.
Nothing would get done.
So...
It almost makes sense that you're going to have mathematical prodigies that can't run fast.
And then you're going to have dudes who are really awesome at space and distance and eye-hand coordination, but they just suck at putting numbers together.
Or they suck at driving.
That's not a good example.
It seems like if you accept the fact that human beings, the only way we work is we work together.
If you're a loner, if you're one of those Ted Kaczynski guys living in the woods, drinking your own piss, nobody trusts you.
Why would I trust some guy who's up there on the mountaintop and never comes down and talks to people?
If we accept that we all...
Without question, need each other.
Then you've got to think that it must have some sort of formula to it.
Which is why I like...
I always felt like if things got bad, you know, things got overpopulated or things got crazy, there's always going to be like disease.
There's going to be some spring back.
There's always going to be something that tries to stop it.
I mean, of course, limitless growth doesn't exist in nature.
You know what I mean?
It's just you can only go on for so long before eventually you hit your limits and you come crashing down.
It's just not going to...
You know, there's no animal species ever that can outstrip its resources.
It just doesn't work, right?
Because you run out of shit.
And we are smart, so we can come up like pushing the limits because we have a new technological innovation that allows us to get more out of less space and all of that.
So we've played a game well, but I mean you can only play it so long before eventually you don't come up with something brilliant in the next 100 years and then you're fucked.
If you think like something like the entire population of the United States in the year 1800, so 200, barely over 200 years, was about 5 million people.
It's not even all of LA today.
You know what I mean?
It's like less than the entire population.
That was the whole population of the US. Less than LA today.
I mean, the whole Chinese model of if you have more than one kid, well, bashing on the head is effective, but it's not exactly the most democratic thing in the universe.
Well, it's also not good for your ideas of humanity.
When we talk about human rights violations and poor living conditions, China is right up there on that list as you look down at your Chinese-made iPhone.
What a motherfucker that is.
What a motherfucker it is that the minerals that came from even worse conditions.
Some poor African kid digging a hole in the ground.
And you need that shit in order to make a cell phone.
While you're Googling in Manhattan, sitting on the corner, looking out the window, the chain of what's happened, to get that phone into your hand, it's dirty business at the very end of the chain.
That's why it cracks me up when I see women with the big giant diamond ring of engagement and shit, and I'm like, okay, that's about, what, 27 Nigerian kids or 28?
Which, by the way, you can make it just as shiny, look in the exact same way, and you have to look through a glass to make sure it's not the original, but no, it's not real.
It's one of my favorite things about the rap culture is like big giant diamond encrusted necklaces and diamond chains and diamonds on the rings and diamonds on their teeth and diamonds in their ears.
I love the bounce back from poverty to extreme wealth and how...
You know, how flashy they are.
To me, one of the most fascinating aspects of humanity is the really over-showy rap guys throwing money on each other and standing in front of Ferraris, flexing their diamond rings.
You see the difference between people that come from, like, really poor countries and made it to America and really appreciate the fucking shit out of it more than these sloppy people from Orange County that are living in Irvine their whole life, never even seen a bullet?
You get people of, especially community college, it's awesome because you get people of all ages, you get people literally of every religion, you name it, you know, so you find all sorts of from the guy who's coming straight from South Central who tells you, I'm sorry I got in here late, but they lock up my block because they shot some dude under my house and they're like, fuck, okay, that's what you come to school with.
They, in philosophy, after two episodes, were, like, for a few days, were number one in philosophy, which, granted, the fact is probably the other three people in that category are people who are broadcasting out of their mom's basement, discussing the subtle differences between Hegel and Aristotle, but still, it's still first in something.
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