Nov. 19, 2012 - The Joe Rogan Experience
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| Oh shit you dirty bitches internationally known and locally recognized just recently escaped from the government of Canada snuck across they border back to the United States you must be so tired back to the belly of the beast back to the inside of the balls of the dick that's fucking the world America I fucking love Montreal, dude. | ||
| I'm a little tired, but we'll talk more. | ||
| The Joe Rogan Experience is brought to you by several things. | ||
| But before that, before we even bring up the sponsors, I want to thank Green Mountain Grills for hooking me up with this fucking badass grill. | ||
| They hooked me up with one of these pellet grills. | ||
| It's hardwood pellets. | ||
| They essentially take sawdust, and they make these pellets out of it, and they use it to power your grill, and it all goes through. | ||
| It's all electrically fed, so it keeps the temperature exactly the same. | ||
| Apparently, all these... | ||
| This dude, Eric, who set it up, gave me the 411. All these grills that they use for these barbecue competitions, they all use pellet grills now. | ||
| And the way these pellet grills work is you don't have to light anything, you don't have to fucking use lighter fluid, but it's still wood. | ||
| And what it does is it all gets done in a hot coil, and slowly but surely the pellets get fed through a machine to the hot coil. | ||
| It stays the same temperature. | ||
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Oh. | |
| Dude, I made some of the best fucking steaks I've ever made on this thing. | ||
| How long do the pellets last? | ||
| Are they like one-time use? | ||
| No, it turns to dust and you vacuum it out. | ||
| It's just like charcoal dust. | ||
| And then you just buy new bags of pellets. | ||
| And it's amazing how efficient it is. | ||
| It's like one little... | ||
| You could take a couple of cups full of pellets and you could cook a couple steaks. | ||
| Whereas if you think about how much charcoal it takes... | ||
| Because it's not that efficient. | ||
| When you throw in the charcoal in there, a lot of the heat's lost too. | ||
| This works in a convection oven way. | ||
| So as you close the lid on it, and oh my god, it's so juicy and delicious. | ||
| What's the website? | ||
| That's a good question. | ||
| They're called Green Mountain Grills. | ||
| Oh, it's greenmountaingrills.com. | ||
| I got the one called the Daniel Boone. | ||
| There's a couple of different models. | ||
| But you can cook, like, shoulders on these things. | ||
| Like, you could do, like, crazy shit. | ||
| Like, cook, like, briskets and stuff. | ||
| Like, stuff that you would never do because you're not going to be the smart guy who's out there, like, knowing exactly how much firewood to put in the thing. | ||
| Because, you know, if you're, like, smoking something the traditional way, you, like, have a That shit's whack, okay? | ||
| You gotta get up in the middle of the night and go put some wood in there because your fucking, your meats are gonna get cold? | ||
| That's stupid as fuck. | ||
| You don't have to do that anymore. | ||
| Although there is something pretty badass about that. | ||
| There's something very craftsman about that, about getting up in the middle of the night and stoking the fire. | ||
| Apparently there's this place in Austin, Texas that has barbecue that's fucking insane. | ||
| Ari Shaffir went there, and I saw it on the Anthony Bourdain show too. | ||
| It started off as a food truck, and this guy developed this way of making brisket that's fucking insane, and he does it totally old school. | ||
| He gets up in the middle of the night, throws wood in the fire. | ||
| He knows the right amount of shit to spray on the meat. | ||
| It's all just simple, salt and pepper and a little vinegar or something, I don't know, water, whatever the fuck he's using. | ||
| But apparently it's unbelievable. | ||
| But let's be realistic, folks. | ||
| You're not that fucking guy, okay? | ||
| And if you get one of these Green Mountain grills, you can make some ribs. | ||
| You can actually do this. | ||
| Can I tell you what my grill is like now? | ||
| I have a thermos grill. | ||
| It's five years old from Target. | ||
| A thermos? | ||
| It's from the thermos company. | ||
| And I had some steak, and the inside paint, the black paint, has started to come off. | ||
| Oh. | ||
| Perfect timing. | ||
| Yeah, it has started to come onto my meat now. | ||
| So I think it's probably very toxic, what I'm eating now. | ||
| What the fuck, Thomas? | ||
| But I just kind of scratch it off. | ||
| But it's so gross. | ||
| You have paint flakes in your meat? | ||
| Yeah, and I think it's this kind of paint that's used for inside of grills. | ||
| So it's probably heavy-duty. | ||
| Baking paint. | ||
| Baking, yeah. | ||
| Yeah, it's probably designed by the government to keep idiots in check. | ||
| They figure out a way to get that paint chip, those nanofibers get into your head. | ||
| That's the government, man. | ||
| I've never even heard of that happening before. | ||
| That sounds terrible. | ||
| Yeah, that should not happen, right? | ||
| But you know what? | ||
| Look, if you're on a budget, man, just get yourself one of those kettle grills. | ||
| Those, like, Weber kettle grills. | ||
| Those are fucking badass, man. | ||
| And they're not that expensive, you know, relatively speaking. | ||
| Those are great. | ||
| Yeah, I have one of those. | ||
| I have a Kamado, which is very similar to the eggs, just a little bit bigger, a little prettier. | ||
| They make them, like, artistic. | ||
| But I like cooking steaks on that too. | ||
| But the beautiful thing about one of these pellet grills is that you can't fuck it up. | ||
| It tells you what temperature it is. | ||
| 500 degrees. | ||
| You know exactly how long to cook it at 500 degrees. | ||
| It's pretty badass. | ||
| And like I said, you do all kinds of shit with it. | ||
| And they're very nice folks. | ||
| We're also brought to you by Ting. | ||
| Ting is a mobile company that we've been representing on this podcast for a while. | ||
| And apparently there was some apprehension about going with us, Brian. | ||
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Why? | |
| A lot of people didn't believe in the Joe Rogan experience. | ||
| They thought that maybe we're a tad fringe. | ||
| Maybe we're half-baked, as it were. | ||
| Not that technical. | ||
| Well, we're slightly technically oriented. | ||
| You're far more technically oriented than I am. | ||
| But the reality is, it's a great fit for us, this tin company. | ||
| The reason being that it's a company that's not trying to rip anybody off. | ||
| They're trying to make a respectable profit, but they're not offering you all the sneaky shit that exists in regular cell phone contracts. | ||
| First of all, the contract itself... | ||
| You can't just get a phone. | ||
| You have to get a contract with someone to get that phone activated. | ||
| And in most cases, what that means is, if you want to cancel your service, you have to pay. | ||
| What they do is, apparently, they sort of move the numbers around when you buy a phone. | ||
| Say if you want to buy an iPhone. | ||
| And if you go to any big name store, whatever big name cell phone company name the name, when you're paying X amount of money, it's normally more than that. | ||
| So they take that money away from the price to sort of entice you into it. | ||
| But the deal is, if you try to take that phone and then just cancel in a month and take your X amount of dollar savings, they'll... | ||
| They would lose a lot of money that way. | ||
| So the way they do it is they make you pay that back if you cancel. | ||
| Ting doesn't fuck with that. | ||
| Ting makes it very simple. | ||
| They offer you the best Android phones you can get. | ||
| Really cool ones. | ||
| Like I have the Samsung Galaxy S3. And that's the one that's coming to Brian too. | ||
| And if you go to rogan.ting.com Fuck, I think that's it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Rogan.ting.com. | ||
| They'll give you $50 off of any Android phone when you start up. | ||
| Look, they have a mobile hotspot, 4G mobile hotspot for $125. | ||
| Dude, it's a fucking great company, man. | ||
| No joke. | ||
| They're on the Sprint backbone, so you don't have to worry about any wonky fucking backwood service. | ||
| It's an actual real top-flight cellular backbone. | ||
| And because of that, they can offer you whatever A big-name company can offer you as well as offer you what this ethical small company is trying to provide. | ||
| Look, they have the cell phone tower things that you put in your house. | ||
| So if you have bad service in your house, it broadcasts internet. | ||
| Yeah, it juices it up. | ||
| It does something. | ||
| What does it do? | ||
| Let's read what it does so we don't give up misinformation. | ||
| It pretty much connects to the internet and it broadcasts a 4G signal in your house. | ||
| So if you live in a place that has a sketchy neighborhood but you have great internet, you can make your own 4G tower pretty much. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's incredible. | ||
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That is good. | |
| And it's using Sprint's network. | ||
| And because it's connecting to your internet, I think that's even better. | ||
| Sweet Jesus! | ||
| Does it get any better than this, ladies and gentlemen? | ||
| Go to rogan.ting.com and save yourself some money. | ||
| Ting has been saying that they're getting a lot of customers from this campaign. | ||
| We appreciate you guys supporting the people that support us on the show. | ||
| And one of the things that we will promise you 100% always is that anything we say on this show, we're never going to bullshit you. | ||
| Anything we say is what we believe. | ||
| And if I'm wrong, if I find out I'm wrong, I'm going to fucking tell you right away and apologize. | ||
| Everyone needs a ho-phone. | ||
| Everyone needs a ho-phone. | ||
| Especially gay dudes. | ||
| Let's be honest. | ||
| You're not going to keep it together. | ||
| You're all guys. | ||
| You're going to get wacky. | ||
| It's a beautiful thing. | ||
| Just celebrate it. | ||
| Get yourself a Ting phone. | ||
| Or if you're really gangster, get one of them Virgin Mobile fucking flip phones and pretend you use that shit for anything other than dick. | ||
| Anybody sees you entering their number into that and knows, oh, this motherfucker doesn't care about me. | ||
| This motherfucker's not here for me. | ||
| Rogan.ting.com, excellent company. | ||
| They have a couple of things going for them that's great, besides the fact that you don't have contracts. | ||
| One of them is that if you, they have certain tiers, like, you know, use X amount of minutes. | ||
| I don't know the exact system they have or the plans that they have, but what I do know is if you use what a lower plan would be, they credit you on your next bill. | ||
| So no one's trying to rip you off. | ||
| They're trying to offer you the best cell phone service available in a way that's very ethical, in a way that I think is very generous, and it makes you feel better about what you're dealing with because you know what else is out there. | ||
| If you could deal with a company like this, I like to vote with my money. | ||
| And when there's a company like this that comes around that's doing something cool like this, I like to support it. | ||
| And so that's why they're a part of the podcast. | ||
| We're also brought to you by Onnit.com. | ||
| And if you've ever been to Onnit before, we've got a whole bunch of new shit, man. | ||
| Like fucking buffalo jerky. | ||
| It's this tonka buffalo jerky that's made with cranberries. | ||
| We've got killer bee honey. | ||
| Why do we have killer bee honey? | ||
| Because it's gangster as fuck. | ||
| That's why. | ||
| It's gangster as fuck to have killer bee honey, man. | ||
| I tried it the other day. | ||
| It tastes like honey. | ||
| I don't give a fuck. | ||
| I felt special. | ||
| I was stirring it in my tea. | ||
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Gotcha, bitch. | |
| You know how grocery stores will have a problem with lettuce making people sick or something like that? | ||
| That seems like the least dangerous thing ever. | ||
| But you're having killer bee honey. | ||
| Yeah, it's gangster. | ||
| That seems like you need a bigger insurance policy. | ||
| Sexy, dude. | ||
| Seems sexy. | ||
| You want to rub that shit on your dick. | ||
| I bet your dick will just get hard instantly. | ||
| That killer. | ||
| That's almost venomous. | ||
| What is this? | ||
| It's probably delicious. | ||
| It's very good for you. | ||
| Fish oil jellies are the new things that we have. | ||
| We have those for kids. | ||
| You know, give kids a good dose of omega-3s. | ||
| Fatty acids, which are very important for brain function development. | ||
| And a lot of people don't get them in their diet. | ||
| So they make them in almost like a candy. | ||
| It's pretty cool. | ||
| I just started feeding it to my kids. | ||
| Hopefully it's not a science project. | ||
| This is my daughter. | ||
| You can't read my fucking mind because no kids from the past ever got fish oil pills. | ||
| What if their brains start developing out of control and it's the next stage of evolution? | ||
| Or not. | ||
| We also sell battle ropes and kettle bells. | ||
| We sell fitness equipment. | ||
| The type of shit that we sell is all the type of shit that I would use. | ||
| We also have DVDs now. | ||
| For a while, people were saying, what's the best workout you can do online? | ||
| Well, there's one that I always talked up, so we just decided to start selling it. | ||
| It's called the Extreme Kettlebell Cardio DVD. And this guy is a fucking animal. | ||
| My God, it's Keith Weber. | ||
| Fuck what a workout this is. | ||
| It's so brutal. | ||
| I do this shit. | ||
| We'll get to that. | ||
| I do this thing with just 35 pounds and you feel like such a pussy. | ||
| It's amazing how tired you can get with just 35 pounds. | ||
| You'd be amazed at like... | ||
| Everybody thinks that it's hard to go to the gym and lift some weights. | ||
| Lifting weights is easy. | ||
| It's really easy. | ||
| You know what's really hard? | ||
| Lifting something that's not that heavy... | ||
| A lot of times. | ||
| And doing it with your whole body over and over and over and over and over again. | ||
| You're breaking. | ||
| Everything just breaks down. | ||
| And it's pretty safe because of the fact it's this unbelievable workout in a short amount of time. | ||
| But you're not doing the type of things that you do when you blow out discs and really fuck yourself up. | ||
| Which is what a lot of people do when they start lifting heavy weights. | ||
| Everybody wants to be super big. | ||
| And the way to get super big is you gotta do deadlifts and squats and all that shit with heavy weights so that your body goes, oh Jesus, we gotta get bigger. | ||
| Well, with kettlebells, the beautiful thing is you just get stronger. | ||
| It just makes your body acclimated to doing a lot of physical work that will really manifest itself in real life situations. | ||
| Because you're using your body all as one unit, too. | ||
| It'll help you with picking up stuff. | ||
| It'll help you If you do any sort of sport, it'll help you. | ||
| But I'm a huge, huge fan of kettlebells. | ||
| There's a bunch of schools of thought. | ||
| Steve Maxwell believes in lower weight, higher repetition, clean form, and he's one of the masters of it. | ||
| As is Mike Mahler, who's more of a really heavyweight, smaller reps guy. | ||
| That guy's yoked as fuck, and he's a vegan too, which is incredible. | ||
| I'm rambling. | ||
| It's official. | ||
| Listen, folks. | ||
| Go to Onnit.com. | ||
| Get yourself some hemp protein powder. | ||
| You will not test positive. | ||
| Don't worry. | ||
| People need to have that explained to them over and over again. | ||
| Hemp protein powder is one of the best, most efficient protein powders for your body to process. | ||
| But there's no THC in it. | ||
| So you can eat it and it does not come up in your system. | ||
| Whereas, like, poppy seeds will come up as morphine or heroin. | ||
| You don't have to worry about that. | ||
| Hemp is completely non-psychoactive. | ||
| But unfortunately, we live in retarded times. | ||
| And we cannot grow this plant in America. | ||
| We have to actually... | ||
| It's legal to have. | ||
| You can even buy it. | ||
| You can bring it over here. | ||
| You can import it. | ||
| Nobody has a problem with that. | ||
| But you cannot grow it. | ||
| How much sense does that make? | ||
| Zero! | ||
| So they grow it in Canada. | ||
| So they grow it in Canada and we have to buy it. | ||
| We can't even employ American farmers. | ||
| We wanted to start a farm. | ||
| We were like, it would be beautiful because we know that Vermont has legal hemp manufacturing. | ||
| And now I believe because of what happened, the law that got passed in Colorado and Washington. | ||
| I think at least in one of those states you're supposed to be allowed to grow hemp now too. | ||
| But the government will arrest you. | ||
| That's the bottom line on it. | ||
| It's all based on ignorance. | ||
| It's a completely non-psychoactive version of the cannabis plant. | ||
| It's not the same thing as marijuana and it's illegal all because of it as a commodity. | ||
| They hold it down and they keep it from farmers because it could take away a lot of different things, take them out of the market, a lot of different things that we consider standard like ropes, nylon ropes. | ||
| Well actually hemp is a better fucking rope. | ||
| Clothes, clothes are made out of cotton. | ||
| Actually if they were made out of hemp they'd be better, they're more durable. | ||
| Paper. | ||
| It makes way better paper. | ||
| It makes so many things better. | ||
| And it's illegal. | ||
| And it doesn't get you high. | ||
| The whole thing is fucking crazy. | ||
| If it looked completely different than pot and had a completely different name and was not related but was going through the same circumstances, people would be up in arms as they should be. | ||
| Farmers should be up in arms about this because it's an incredibly... | ||
| Good plant to have on your soil. | ||
| You can replenish your crops in a short amount of time. | ||
| It grows very fast. | ||
| It's very healthy. | ||
| You don't need pesticides. | ||
| It's an incredibly strong plant. | ||
| It's good for so many different fucking things. | ||
| And if you try to grow it, they'll put you in a cage. | ||
| They will take all your money. | ||
| They will separate you from your family. | ||
| They will lock you in a cage if you try to grow this awesome plant. | ||
| So that's why hemp protein powder costs so much, folks. | ||
| It's fucking stupid. | ||
| And it's fucking ridiculous. | ||
| In 2012, wake up, you freaks. | ||
| Wake the fuck up. | ||
| Go get yourself some Alpha Brain and think this shit through. | ||
| Go get yourself a blender. | ||
| We can no longer offer the Blendtec blenders with a free hemp force. | ||
| They have rules as to how you sell shit because then it just makes it too desirable. | ||
| Maybe you should have a thing like every time you sell over $300, you get a free hemp force. | ||
| Can't do it. | ||
| Oh, like anything from this? | ||
| That's a good idea. | ||
| Like anything from the whole store? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| We'll put that into play. | ||
| We'll speak to Aubrey about that. | ||
| Get that shit in motion. | ||
| Alright, this fucking commercial's really long. | ||
| And Tim Ferriss is here. | ||
| So let's get this party started, you dirty. | ||
| Anything to add? | ||
| Anything to promote? | ||
| Anything going on? | ||
| Any shows? | ||
| Oh, I'll be with Doug Benson Wednesday in San Diego at the American Comedy Co. | ||
| Jesus Christ, son! | ||
| AmericanComedyCo.com. | ||
| Good club down there, too. | ||
| Very perfect little comedy club. | ||
| Yeah, and we'll have a Desquad show there at 12-12-12 also. | ||
| And I think there's... | ||
| The other place is really good, too. | ||
| That Madhouse? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I heard that place is good, too. | ||
| I want to go there. | ||
| San Diego making a comeback, bitches! | ||
| All right, folks. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| Fucking... | ||
| Let's get it growing. | ||
| Hit that button. | ||
| Let's talk crazy. | ||
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The Joe Rogan experience. | |
| Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. | ||
| Boom, bitches. | ||
| Back with new knowledge and information. | ||
| Tim Ferriss joins the podcast. | ||
| My brother, thank you for coming back, man. | ||
| Oh, it's great to be back. | ||
| I've been looking forward to this one for months. | ||
| Dude, I've been looking forward to having you on, too. | ||
| I'm glad we were able to work this out time-wise. | ||
| You're a very busy character. | ||
| You too, man. | ||
| Do you have a four-day marriage? | ||
| Is that out yet? | ||
| You know, people have asked for the four-hour marriage, and I'm like, you know, that would be easier to write, given the rate of divorce. | ||
| It's like, I can find, I can do those interviews. | ||
| Four-hour presidency? | ||
| Four-hour ninja. | ||
| Until I figure it out, I'm not going to write a book about it. | ||
| Four-hour CEO? Yeah. | ||
| A lot of those, too. | ||
| There's a lot of those, too. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Your new book is, what is it called? | ||
| The Four-Hour Commercial. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| That's me, man. | ||
| I'm the master of that shit. | ||
| The four-hour chef. | ||
| Four-hour chef. | ||
| Simple path to cooking like a pro, learning anything, and living the good life. | ||
| It's a very narrow scope. | ||
| That's not a narrow scope at all. | ||
| How dare you? | ||
| You're confusing me. | ||
| I'm not as smart as you. | ||
| Settle down. | ||
| Well, this is probably the first time I've actually had some THC in my system since the last podcast. | ||
| Well, that's ridiculous. | ||
| What a coincidence. | ||
| Do you attribute that to, Tim Ferriss? | ||
| Just pure correlation. | ||
| Knowing that the government is listening and all. | ||
| We always like to pretend like the government is spying on us. | ||
| But meanwhile, we broadcast this shit on an internet show. | ||
| That's how you know you're a stoner. | ||
| You're like, dude, what if the government's listening to this podcast right now? | ||
| Dude, thousands of people are listening to this fucking thing right now. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Fuck. | ||
| The government? | ||
| Why are they listening? | ||
| Why do they care? | ||
| 4-hour government? | ||
| Is that possible? | ||
| 4-hour government? | ||
| We might be past that point. | ||
| We could have a 4-hour countdown clock. | ||
| Do you think that's happening? | ||
| Are you worried? | ||
| Yeah, I am worried. | ||
| Are you worried about what's going on in Israel, the Gaza Strip? | ||
| I'm worried not only about that, but also, honestly, about just the financial integrity of this entire country. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That seems fake. | ||
| Well, no, exactly. | ||
| I mean, the financial integrity. | ||
| Yeah, there's a really good book called The Biography of a Dollar, which talks about just the development of the currency of the U.S. dollar and where it is today. | ||
| And the conclusion of all of those books is basically like, buy shotguns, buy food, get something in a different currency. | ||
| And what was kind of wild is, so when I was looking at the, doing research for The 4-Hour Chef and got into this, the wild stuff, and we can talk about that, but like the foraging and hunting and all these things I'd never done. | ||
| And I went a little bit off the rails and started meeting all these survivalists and preppers and whatnot. | ||
| And so I ended up writing like 150 pages I had to cut because I just went ballistic in more ways than one, just researching all this shit. | ||
| And I had a number of close friends in San Francisco, New York, thought I was fucking nuts. | ||
| And then Hurricane Sandy comes along. | ||
| Whoa. | ||
| So they thought that you were taking us way too far and you had lost your mind and you were proposing improbable scenarios. | ||
| And then Hurricane Sandy. | ||
| And now everybody has to think. | ||
| It's amazing how fragile our life is here on this planet. | ||
| We essentially live without a roof most of the time. | ||
| The world is a convertible. | ||
| And above us is all this shit that's flying around. | ||
| There's like thousands of times every day a piece of rock from outer space comes into the atmosphere and burns up. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Like, people need to wrap their heads around that, alright? | ||
| This is crazy. | ||
| This does not have to, just because this has been here as a city for a hundred years, doesn't mean it has to stay like this. | ||
| Yeah, well, no, exactly. | ||
| So Nassim Talib wrote The Black Swan. | ||
| Fooled by randomness is a really good example, which is, you know, the turkey thinks that things are going great all the way up until Thanksgiving. | ||
| You know, like, just the fact that he's had 364 days of living pretty doesn't mean 365 is going to be very pretty at all. | ||
| I always use it. | ||
| My analogy is the anthill analogy. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| That there could be an anthill that exists in a field and it's a big anthill and these ants have been working in this anthill for God knows how long and they only live for like a short amount of time so it's been there long before they were ever born. | ||
| This anthill has existed in its many fucking complicated caverns and then one day this little kid comes along and stomps the fucking shit out of that anthill and no one saw it coming. | ||
| It never happened before so they never even considered it. | ||
| They just fucking go about their day and this little kid comes along and stomps the shit out of that anthill. | ||
| And that's exactly what happened with Hurricane Katrina. | ||
| That's exactly what happened with Sandy. | ||
| That's what could happen with Yellowstone. | ||
| Oh yeah. | ||
| Or any sort of an earthquake. | ||
| I have a friend who has a vacation house on the beach in Malibu. | ||
| It is so badass. | ||
| You sit there and you're on the ocean. | ||
| It's such a humbling experience. | ||
| It just connects you in some weird way to nature when you're staring at that water. | ||
| I think that's why beach communities are so chill. | ||
| Beach communities are like, every day you're confronted with this reality that you ain't shit. | ||
| You stop and look out there, dude. | ||
| As far as you can see is water and you die out there. | ||
| You can't make it. | ||
| And if for some reason it just swishes back and forth a little, it's going to wipe out everything for a hundred miles in like it's nothing. | ||
| Nothing! | ||
| Okay, so settle the fuck down and stop taking yourself so seriously. | ||
| Like, that's the feeling that you get when you're right next to water. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I think that's important for people. | ||
| It's important. | ||
| I think it is. | ||
| I think it's also the sort of meditative aspect of the waves, I think, that has something to do with it. | ||
| It gives you a feeling. | ||
| It gives you a peaceful feeling when you're sitting around and you're in Hawaii and you're looking at that water. | ||
| You know you're on top of a volcano. | ||
| You know this shit is temporary as fuck. | ||
| But you're like, right now it's beautiful. | ||
| Right now it's amazing. | ||
| The trippy part too. | ||
| I grew up on Long Island way out at the end. | ||
| What part? | ||
| What is that? | ||
| I grew up as a townie. | ||
| A rat tail wearing townie. | ||
| That's awesome! | ||
| And you start thinking about, let's just say, climate change, and then you look at the wealth Concentration in the first 10 to 20 miles of every coastline. | ||
| It's like 80% of the world's wealth would just be wiped out if there's a dramatic temperature change. | ||
| And with Hurricane Sandy, what's not amusing, it's depressingly amusing to me is when people are like, oh, that's like one in a hundred, one in a million. | ||
| And if you look at, there was a piece in Nature magazine, this is just in the last, I think, few months, where they said, if climate change continues as predicted, 100-year storms will happen every three years. | ||
| Jesus! | ||
| I took a training course in San Francisco that was done by the police department and the fire department, which was the Northern California Emergency Response Training, NERT. And in the first class, this is the police, this isn't some wacko, paranoid, Doomsday predictor, he said, alright, let's do an exercise. | ||
| How many people are there in San Francisco? | ||
| Some are like, well, whatever, 800,000, right? | ||
| Okay, if everyone's commuting in, like, a couple million, whatever it might be. | ||
| Okay, how many fire engines do you think there are in San Francisco? | ||
| And everyone's like, 100, 250, whatever it was. | ||
| It was something like 19. And he said, what that means is, if you look at, like, the Loma Prieta earthquake in 1989, it could be 7 to 10 days before anybody gets to you. | ||
| Like, you cannot rely on... | ||
| The existing structure. | ||
| And that kind of blew my mind. | ||
| Even if it's amazing 10 days, it's amazing to get it done that fast. | ||
| After Sandy, I'm like, well, look, they don't have a backup plan for something massive. | ||
| You know what they have? | ||
| Coffins. | ||
| They have those plastic coffins they save up in case a fucking asteroid hits us. | ||
| They don't have some crazy plan to feed everybody. | ||
| They have a plan to go overseas and jack people and take their oil. | ||
| No plan to take care of the people in case of there's some sort of an earthquake or something. | ||
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Oh, yeah. | |
| No, there's no possible response that would cover it. | ||
| And so what I figured out is I started doing the math and I was like, well, I spend, because I've broken myself like a thousand times, I spend $500, $600 a month on health insurance and I don't even have 20 gallons of water and food And a shotgun. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And a few things, which would cost, what, 500 to 1,000 bucks total, one-time cost? | ||
| I have a friend who has a solar-powered house. | ||
| That's cool. | ||
| That's gotta be the way to go. | ||
| Especially out here. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And just even a cheap generator. | ||
| Like, I had the power go out on my block in San Francisco for 24 hours, and I realized all my food is going bad. | ||
| I had like 80 pounds of meat. | ||
| No power supply, so I got a, I think it's a Honda EU 2000i generator that's popular at Burning Man and then a bunch of extra gasoline. | ||
| I would not buy it just for that. | ||
| Well, I'd go to Burning Man. | ||
| I would smell feet everywhere. | ||
| Yeah, I can go to Burning Man with the rest of San Francisco to see all of my friends. | ||
| Why do I smell feet? | ||
| Smells like Patroli. | ||
| Listen, Burning Man people, relax. | ||
| I'm just joking. | ||
| I don't want you getting angry at me. | ||
| Fuck you, dude! | ||
| Why are you so aggro? | ||
| Why do I get a problem with Burning Man? | ||
| I don't really. | ||
| I'm just completely joking. | ||
| Can't you just say shit just to say shit sometimes? | ||
| Everybody's got to take everything so fucking seriously. | ||
| Yeah, I think that generators are an awesome idea. | ||
| That's a good idea to have around. | ||
| It's hard, though, if you live in an apartment. | ||
| What the fuck do you do then? | ||
| You can actually pull it off. | ||
| And the only reason I figured this out... | ||
| Open the window or something? | ||
| Yeah, you just have to have an exhaust pipe going out the window so you get some coil-up thing in that case. | ||
| How long does it stay on? | ||
| Depends on the gasoline you have. | ||
| I mean, I have maybe 10 gallons of gasoline, and this generator, what's great about it is it looks like an old-school desktop server. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah, it's tiny. | ||
| It looks like one of those towers. | ||
| It's not heavy at all. | ||
| It probably weighs 30 pounds. | ||
| And how does the gas tank connect to it? | ||
| What does it look like? | ||
| You pour the gasoline right into the generator itself. | ||
| Yeah, it's really well done. | ||
| And it holds how many gallons? | ||
| I don't know offhand. | ||
| So how long does it stay with one fill-up and you turn it on? | ||
| How long does it stay on? | ||
| I honestly am not sure. | ||
| I have everything ready to go, but I couldn't fit more than 10 gallons of gasoline in my apartment. | ||
| Isn't it fucked up thinking about that? | ||
| Thinking about alternative ways to keep the power on? | ||
| That's fucking terrifying. | ||
| Everyone should at least get a Red Cross-endorsed hand... | ||
| Wind-up powered radio, which also doubles as a charger. | ||
| You can get these for like $40 on Amazon. | ||
| But if the power's out, won't the radio be out too? | ||
| Well, you can actually use different frequencies. | ||
| Ham radio, as crazy as it seems, is actually a pretty good skill to pick up. | ||
| That's what the fire department, police department, they're like, That's how they catch pedos, right? | ||
| It could be one of them. | ||
| Or Dungeons& Dragons players. | ||
| Again, we're kidding. | ||
| Which I was, not slamming. | ||
| We're kidding you, folks. | ||
| Gray elf. | ||
| That's what I was. | ||
| You were a gray elf? | ||
| I was a gray elf. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| You had 80 pounds of meat in your house? | ||
| Oh, I have more now. | ||
| I have about 120 pounds. | ||
| Why do you have so much meat in your house? | ||
| Are you eating people? | ||
| Are you eating homeless folks? | ||
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Shh! | |
| Cleaning up the streets. | ||
| Gentrifying your neighborhood, trying to improve your property value. | ||
| So we have a mutual friend now, Steve Rinella. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I, so just to give some context, so growing up on Long Island... | ||
| Steve Rinella, for folks who don't know, is the host of Meat Eater. | ||
| He's an author, actually, as well. | ||
| He's got a book called Meat Eater, which is fantastic. | ||
| Brilliant writer. | ||
| It's a very good writer, man. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Really good writer. | ||
| Very bright guy. | ||
| So I met Steve when I was investigating how to reconnect with ingredients as part of this book. | ||
| And I think above and beyond that, how to correct manual illiteracy. | ||
| So one of the things that really started to bother me in the last few years is I looked at what my dad could do and my granddad could do. | ||
| I can't Fix half the things on my car. | ||
| I can't do basic, like, woodwork. | ||
| I can't do any of that shit. | ||
| And I realized it was really causing me a lot of anxiety not to build things with my hands. | ||
| So food and foraging and all this stuff became another way, or one way, to try to reclaim that. | ||
| And then Steve I met through a bunch of different random circumstances. | ||
| And what he countered was my image of a hunter. | ||
| Because growing up on Long Island, I had a lot of injured deer come across my property from people who didn't know how to bow hunt. | ||
| Beer cans on the side of my driveway. | ||
| And I just developed this real... | ||
| I just saw them as really responsible, wasteful, kind of jerk-offs. | ||
| And then I met Steve, and so I'll give a little... | ||
| You've probably heard this story, but what blew me away about Steve is he'll say, look, there are a lot of better hunters than me, although he's a really good hunter. | ||
| And he'll say, there are a lot of better cooks than me, but I'm a decent cook. | ||
| But there are very few people who can put them together. | ||
| And so he took, for one of his books, I guess it was the Scavenger's Guide to Haute Cuisine. | ||
| He took this 1906 Escoffier banquet. | ||
| Escoffier is like the grandfather of French cuisine. | ||
| Three-day banquet, like 40 different dishes, with all this weird shit. | ||
| Stingrays and quail stuffed with sea urchin or who the fuck knows. | ||
| He served people raccoon that he found on the side of the road. | ||
| Yeah, and what he did in this particular three-day banquet is he killed and forged everything. | ||
| He got every ingredient and then recreated the entire three-day thing himself. | ||
| The guy's just dead. | ||
| Yeah, he's an amazing dude. | ||
| Oh, so for the meat, he took me on my first ever hunt, which was a white-tailed deer hunt. | ||
| And then most recently we went to Alaska for about a week in the middle of nowhere to hunt caribou. | ||
| So were you successful both times? | ||
| I was. | ||
| Yeah? | ||
| I was. | ||
| So the white-tailed deer was your first experience? | ||
| First time. | ||
| And where'd you go there? | ||
| That was South Carolina because in California you have to fill out like a phone book's worth of paperwork to get anything done with hunting. | ||
| In South Carolina you just buy the hunting license online and you're done. | ||
| Beautiful people of South Carolina. | ||
| God bless you. | ||
| God bless you for fucking keeping the bureaucracy in check. | ||
| So your idea about wanting to hunt was probably similar to what my idea was. | ||
| It was like, I eat meat and I have no connection to it. | ||
| I'm just buying it in a store. | ||
| I know this isn't healthy. | ||
| I likened it to the idea of being born rich. | ||
| It's like I didn't really understand what it was like to earn it. | ||
| I didn't in any way, shape, or form. | ||
| And there's a lot of people that have a lot of misunderstandings about hunting, too. | ||
| And I shared those. | ||
| When I was young, I had a very ignorant opinion on hunting, too. | ||
| I just thought it was people who... | ||
| Like, why would you kill an animal when you can just go to the store and get it for free? | ||
| Or, you know, buy it without having to deal with that. | ||
| Like, these people probably want to kill animals. | ||
| Like, why don't you leave the animals alone? | ||
| Then one day I was driving from a gig. | ||
| I was in Boston. | ||
| Or in New York, rather. | ||
| And I was in upper western Massachusetts. | ||
| And I had to drive down. | ||
| And I had to go like 30 fucking miles an hour. | ||
| Because these deer just kept jumping in front of my car. | ||
| It was crazy. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I just kept seeing them over and over and over again. | ||
| They were all over the road. | ||
| So I had to drive really slow on the way home. | ||
| And it was a really common thing on this one parkway where deer would get hit by cars. | ||
| I mean, it was an infestation. | ||
| Because if you're looking at that much on the actual road, off to the right and off to the left, there's fucking woods, man. | ||
| So who knows how many goddamn deer are out there. | ||
| And those deer, first of all, they're going to get hit by cars. | ||
| They're going to starve. | ||
| Because they're going to run out of food. | ||
| And if they don't have hunters managing that population, there's only one other option. | ||
| And that option is predators. | ||
| So you have two options. | ||
| You have something that can kill a fucking deer with its face. | ||
| And you're going to have a good population of those motherfuckers running around. | ||
| And you're just going to trust that they're not going to get you. | ||
| And your dog. | ||
| And your kids. | ||
| Or... | ||
| You're gonna manage that population by shooting them and eating them. | ||
| And it's a really fascinating sort of a situation when you really understand it for what it is. | ||
| Like, it's wildlife management. | ||
| They have to do this. | ||
| Because we are at the top of the food chain. | ||
| So we have to take responsibility for that situation. | ||
| We have game, and it's everywhere. | ||
| And if you don't eat it, slowly but surely that mountain lion population is going to start creeping up. | ||
| That's just how nature deals with shit. | ||
| Or that, or the human population is going to start dropping because they become disease vectors for things like Lyme's disease. | ||
| My brother's had Lyme's disease. | ||
| My dad's had Lyme's disease. | ||
| Upstate New York, it's a real issue. | ||
| That's how it's transmitted. | ||
| I've heard quite a few people get it. | ||
| That's only one issue. | ||
| There's a lot. | ||
| It's great meat. | ||
| It's really good for you. | ||
| It's better for you than cows that you buy in a store that have been fed corn and other unnatural things for cows. | ||
| It's way healthier for you. | ||
| My experience was that my whole life I had thought about it one way and then that one trip home I started reconsidering like this is fucking crazy and then I started looking at but there was no internet back then you know so I'd have to like read a book which is really annoying I've sat down there and I mean I don't mind reading a book now But when I was 20 or whatever the fuck this was, why the fuck are there so many deers? | ||
| And then as I looked into all this shit, I realized there's arguments about managing them. | ||
| There's the fishing game and the hunters and everyone has to come to an agreement of how many there are. | ||
| I go, this is crazy. | ||
| They're like rats. | ||
| They're like giant rats. | ||
| Giant rats that run in front of your car and commit suicide. | ||
| It's fucking bananas. | ||
| And they taste delicious. | ||
| And you can shoot them. | ||
| And it's free. | ||
| You have to pay for the license. | ||
| And then hit them in the right spot. | ||
| If they get distressed, then the meat's no good. | ||
| Oh, is that true? | ||
| It can make it really distasteful. | ||
| If you get what's called a red cutter. | ||
| So, for instance, if you fuck it up and you injure it, And then you chase it, which you shouldn't do, number one, if you get a good shot. | ||
| And then you finally kill the thing. | ||
| The excessive adrenaline and whatnot can really... | ||
| Is that true? | ||
| Because my deer, I shot it and went down and it was going to die, but it was still alive. | ||
| And then I shot it again. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I had to shoot it again. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I think it depends a lot on the duration of that stress. | ||
| So what happens a lot, for instance, I have novice bow hunters, and I'm not a bow hunter. | ||
| Like they'll go in the woods for hours and hours. | ||
| Well, they'll hit it with a bow, and then instead of waiting for it to die, they'll chase it, and it'll run around, run around, run around, run around for like an hour, right? | ||
| And then drop. | ||
| So that's flooded with adrenaline. | ||
| And again, I'm super novice, but based on what Steve told me also, depending on what gender deer you hit and if it's during mating season or not, if you hit a ruddy buck that is just pumped full of naturally occurring hormones, then I can end up being pretty... | ||
| What if it's an aphrodisiac when the deer is super horny and you eat its meat? | ||
| But it seems kind of homosexual. | ||
| I've got to be honest with you. | ||
| I don't think there's anything wrong with that. | ||
| Whatever works, it works. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, like when you're eating tiger dicks or whatever the fuck it is that Chinese people eat, it's kind of... | ||
| Not tasty. | ||
| It's very, I mean, it's interspecies. | ||
| You're mixing species up, but it's also sort of homosexual. | ||
| In a way, yeah. | ||
| I had a bull penis in China. | ||
| Not tasty. | ||
| I don't recommend it. | ||
| We served that shit on Fear Factor. | ||
| We served water buffalo dicks. | ||
| I saw that. | ||
| I saw that episode when you had all the different variations. | ||
| That was just one time where I was like, this is the most ridiculous job on earth. | ||
| The other time was when we served them donkey semen. | ||
| That's what canceled the show. | ||
| They got so crazy, they served donkey season. | ||
| The producers lost their fucking minds, and so did NBC, because NBC said yes to it. | ||
| That's the dirty secret about the last season of Fear Factor. | ||
| They approved! | ||
| NBC approved sucking down a big gulp of donkey cum. | ||
| They're like, yep, that seems like a good thing to put on TV. Let it rip. | ||
| That is disgusting. | ||
| Dude, there's only been two times when I disagreed with the producers. | ||
| I said, you really shouldn't do this. | ||
| One time when we made them ride bulls, I was like, this is crazy. | ||
| You can't control this. | ||
| This is not good. | ||
| I didn't like it. | ||
| And then the other time when we made them drink cum, I just never thought I'd have to say that. | ||
| I never thought I'd have to say, I don't think you should serve those people a donkey cum. | ||
| It just seems like we're crossing a line. | ||
| If you like this job and you want to keep it, and then TMZ got a hold of it. | ||
| They put the pictures of it online. | ||
| And then NBC said, pull the show! | ||
| Pull the show! | ||
| They pulled the episode. | ||
| What response did they expect? | ||
| I don't know what they were thinking, man. | ||
| If I'm the guy who's telling you you're crossing the line, you're already there. | ||
| I'm a podhead cage-fighting commentator, and I'm telling you you're going too far? | ||
| Everything in my life is fucked up. | ||
| Everything I do, whether it's stand-up comedy or this podcast, everything could be considered fucked up. | ||
| And I'm like, you're going crazy. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I'm like, you're getting too jiggy over here. | ||
| You gotta let that one go. | ||
| They can't drink cum. | ||
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No. | |
| And piss, by the way. | ||
| We served them piss, too. | ||
| Nobody seemed to care as much about the piss. | ||
| I wouldn't care as much about the piss. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The piss, they just drank it. | ||
| And nobody complained about the piss. | ||
| It was always the donkey cum. | ||
| And it always was like, again, it was like some sort of bestiality thing in people's minds. | ||
| Because it's a body fluid and we know where it came from. | ||
| Like milk. | ||
| Yeah, but it's not like we're asking them to have sex. | ||
| It's so funny the way people connect sex with the fluids that sex creates. | ||
| It's like drinking... | ||
| You're nowhere near that donkey when it comes. | ||
| But drinking its cum, somehow or another, is sex with that donkey. | ||
| I'm not sure I could rationalize myself into drinking donkey cum. | ||
| As hard as I tried to make it into a thought exercise... | ||
| Well, what's fucked up is two people had a drink and they didn't win shit. | ||
| That's what's fucked up because everybody drank it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| One guy and two girls drank it. | ||
| And they were nice people. | ||
| That's what's even more fucked up. | ||
| They were very nice. | ||
| It's always the nice quiet type who drank the donkey semen. | ||
| For all of them. | ||
| I mean, it was like occasionally you have a show where someone will try too hard or they'll be obnoxious. | ||
| We didn't have any of that this last season of Fear Factor. | ||
| Everyone was like really nice folks. | ||
| So I felt bad sitting down there. | ||
| Drinking donkey cum. | ||
| God, I'd hate to see it digested. | ||
| Like the next morning, you're sitting on the toilet, just blowing out cum. | ||
| Quite honestly, it's very similar to phlegm. | ||
| So it's like drinking, almost like drinking a big glass of phlegm. | ||
| You know, it's really very similar. | ||
| It's very similar in its texture, and I don't know about taste. | ||
| Because, you know, I never tried phlegm. | ||
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Ha ha! | |
| Get it? | ||
| I wonder if you flushed the toilet. | ||
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Get it? | |
| I tried loads! | ||
| You get the job? | ||
| Ha ha! | ||
| Where the fuck is this podcast brought? | ||
| I wonder when you flush the toilet after digesting if it's like super fast. | ||
| Like it flushes really, really fast. | ||
| Because it's slippery? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because of all the phlegm? | ||
| Right. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| What kind of... | ||
| I don't know what the fuck you're saying. | ||
| You need to go to a doctor. | ||
| For real. | ||
| I need to go to a doctor and just tell him that you proposed that, and he'll sit you down and go, I think you're going to die. | ||
| I think you have something wrong with your brain. | ||
| So your first deer hunting experience was in North Carolina. | ||
| South Carolina. | ||
| Was it a gun, bow? | ||
| It was a gun. | ||
| I didn't want to. | ||
| My biggest fear going into all of that was fucking up the shot. | ||
| I was really worried about just... | ||
| Yeah, it runs away. | ||
| Like hitting it in a leg or something. | ||
| I was really worried about that. | ||
| So I really got into the marksmanship super serious. | ||
| It was actually just down here a couple weeks ago doing sniper training with some of the LA SWAT team members. | ||
| Holy shit. | ||
| Yeah, there's a great company called ITTS that does trainings. | ||
| They were great. | ||
| But prior to that, with the deer, I used a... | ||
| 7mm Remington Mag. | ||
| I actually use Steve's gun, which is a left-handed. | ||
| I use his gun too. | ||
| It's a nice gun. | ||
| It's a great gun. | ||
| I have since had a right-handed version of that made with a couple of changes, so it's like a his and hers 7mm with Steve Rinella now. | ||
| Nice. | ||
| But I used his gun. | ||
| Man, he's a great teacher. | ||
| That's part of the reason I wanted to put him in the book. | ||
| He's a fucking outstanding teacher. | ||
| Well, he knows what he's doing in all aspects of the whole hunting thing. | ||
| His attachment to it isn't just hunting, it's also to the history of the United States and the people that lived in the land, the American Indian heritage, and the stories. | ||
| He had some amazing American Indian stories. | ||
| I should say Native American stories. | ||
| Really, really interesting stuff about that whole area where we went to Montana, to the Missouri River. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The Missouri Breaks. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And he had just incredible stories, story after story. | ||
| So he's a guy that really embraces the history of a region, too, and the history of the wildlife there as well. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| How they migrate, what the numbers used to be like. | ||
| We occasionally would look for buffalo bones because they're really common in the sides of hills. | ||
| You see when the strata wears away, you'll find these old-ass fucking buffalo bones. | ||
| That's cool. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's super cool. | ||
| It's pretty badass. | ||
| And Steve, I mean, he grew up hunting with his brothers, obviously with his dad as well. | ||
| And I think his brothers, they're both in the sciences, but I believe they're both ecologists. | ||
| And it's just such, it's a fascinating family. | ||
| And I mean, Steve, I guess he's been writing for money for whatever it is, a decade maybe. | ||
| But he started trapping for money in rural Michigan when he was like 10, 11. | ||
| Yeah, he was talking about how his dad pulled him out of school for first day of trapping season, first day of hunting season. | ||
| He's just like... | ||
| That's like how he grew up. | ||
| I think that's fucking awesome. | ||
| But it's fascinating because everybody immediately, if you think of a guy like that, you think of a dumb guy. | ||
| You think of an uneducated guy, an unworldly guy. | ||
| He's the exact opposite of that. | ||
| Brilliant guy. | ||
| Brilliant guy. | ||
| Very, very well read. | ||
| And really fun to talk to. | ||
| He's inquisitive. | ||
| He's intelligent. | ||
| He's on the ball. | ||
| But he's the real fucking deal. | ||
| And he expects that from other people as well. | ||
| You go on a hunt with them. | ||
| It's legit. | ||
| When we were in Alaska, we got dropped off five hours north of Fairbanks flight time. | ||
| lake by a bush plan. | ||
| They're like, see you in a week. | ||
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Peace. | |
| Don't get eaten by bears. | ||
| And then lo and behold, never got dark because we were above the Arctic Circle. | ||
| And we had two huge grizzly bears repeatedly try to come into our camp because the people before us had left a fucking gut pile of caribou like, I don't know, 200 yards upwind. | ||
| So we had these two huge bears come in and Steve was so funny because everyone's like, oh fuck, grizzly bear, like 10 o'clock. | ||
| And it's like, I don't know, ETA three minutes. | ||
| And then Steve found out his cell phone had been in the bottom of his bag and was soaked with... | ||
| And he's like, fuck! | ||
| My fucking cell phone! | ||
| Everyone's like, Steve, uh, grizzly bear, ETA three minutes. | ||
| He's like, my fucking cell phone! | ||
| He's like, so unconcerned about this grizzly bear. | ||
| And then he's just like, alright, fine, fuck it. | ||
| And he picks up a shotgun and walks over with birdshot and starts firing it off and waving his arms and scaring it off from like... | ||
| That's all you need to do? | ||
| Hundred yards? | ||
| But here's the thing, hundred yards to a bear? | ||
| That's not a slow animal, right? | ||
| So Steve's got some big balls. | ||
| Yeah, he scared it off, the thing went... | ||
| The thing about running. | ||
| Came back like two hours later. | ||
| That's what we're going to say about him after he gets fucking eaten. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| He had big balls. | ||
| The bear ultimately ate. | ||
| That's what they said about Grizzly Man until the very end. | ||
| He really knows those bears. | ||
| He knows how to stay safe. | ||
| Yeah, I think Steve is fine to be within 100 yards of a bear as long as he has a good firearm. | ||
| Yeah, you've got to really have a strong rifle. | ||
| When you stop respecting the fucking grizzly, that's when the grizzly takes care of you. | ||
| To shoot a grizzly, you can't shoot it with a little pistol. | ||
| No, you need to hit it with a slug. | ||
| Yeah, because you're not going to stop them. | ||
| It's going to take years for them to die. | ||
| If you shoot a big grizzly with a fucking 9mm, you try to go gangster rapper style on them, that's not going to kill a bear. | ||
| No, no. | ||
| It's going to keep running at you and you're going to be so scared when it eats your head. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| If people underestimate how... | ||
| How hard it is to kill an animal like that, depending on the circumstances. | ||
| I was talking to a friend of mine who's a Navy SEAL and he's still enlisted. | ||
| I mean, he does deployments and everything, but he was at one point in Africa and these villagers in sort of the downtime knew these guys were with the military and they said, hey, could you help us call this herd of water buffalo because they're destroying all our property and blah, blah, blah. | ||
| We can make Food out of the buffalo that you kill? | ||
| They're like, sure. | ||
| So they had these long-range sniping rifles, and he's a damn good shot. | ||
| I've done some training with him. | ||
| And he said that he shot a water buffalo right in the corner of the eye. | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| And the thing shook its head and then looked straight back at him and just kept on eating. | ||
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What?! | |
| Yeah, the fucking skull's like that thick, and it had gone halfway in the skull and just lodged with a high-power rifle. | ||
| And the thing just kept on eating. | ||
| That is what would happen if you didn't place your shot with a bear and forget it. | ||
| A high powered rifle and it couldn't get through his fucking head? | ||
| They ended up having to aim at the base of the skull from the side of the back. | ||
| Don't shoot him in the head became the rule. | ||
| That's a big fucking animal. | ||
| Well, when I was in Africa doing research for this book, too, I went to India, Japan, all over the place, and when we were in South Africa, water buff will kill everybody. | ||
| I mean, people are afraid of the lions, but if you meet, let's say, the Maasai Mara, these warriors who jump up and down, they're famous for the red robes, they're not afraid of lions at all. | ||
| They'll walk off into the darkness with their big walking stick, going from one village to the next. | ||
| They're like, eh, big house cats will scare them off. | ||
| Water buffalo, hippo, and elephants. | ||
| Those ones they're all afraid of. | ||
| Because they'll just charge you and kill you. | ||
| Yeah, water buffaloes are big fucking animals. | ||
| And when tourists get out of their cars on safari, they're like, oh, let's take a picture with the cows. | ||
| And then the cows are like, cow Lamborghini bulls. | ||
| And then they get... | ||
| I've talked about this a bunch lately, so I can't really go into it again, but have you seen Relentless Enemies? | ||
| No. | ||
| This is what I'm talking about. | ||
| I've talked about it so many times on the podcast. | ||
| You have to watch it. | ||
| It's a documentary. | ||
| I'll just give you the brief documentary about a part of Africa where the rivers change courses and it's isolated these lions with water buffalo. | ||
| That's their only prey. | ||
| So the lions have grown enormous. | ||
| The female lions are the size of male lions. | ||
| It's an amazing documentary. | ||
| There's a couple different prides on this island, but one of them is fucking huge. | ||
| They're like Hulk lions. | ||
| That's awesome. | ||
| They're just jacking water buffaloes, man. | ||
| That's how they have to do it now. | ||
| And you see how big a fucking water buffalo is when you see five lions struggling to take this thing down. | ||
| Yeah, they're no joke. | ||
| Fuck that, man. | ||
| If you see one of those things in the wild... | ||
| Do not fuck with it. | ||
| Yeah, apparently, back in the day, that was a big deal with Buffalo, too. | ||
| If you got near a Buffalo and the Buffalo charged you... | ||
| I saw a video of a guy getting charged by a Buffalo on YouTube. | ||
| You don't think for whatever reason that you're going to die by buffalo. | ||
| But that moment where that thing is going... | ||
| And you realize how fucking big it is. | ||
| And you go, what am I doing? | ||
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I'm in front of this crazy fucking Star Wars looking animal. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, you're going to get hit by something that weighs more than a Volkswagen Golf with skull plates on the front of its head. | ||
| Not going to end well at all. | ||
| It must have been amazing back in the day when the Native Americans would run into these herds that was far as the eye could see of these things. | ||
| Because they really didn't have many natural predators. | ||
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No. | |
| Not at all. | ||
| I mean, wolves, but it takes a lot of freaking wolves to take down. | ||
| A buffalo. | ||
| Yeah, they probably were fine. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| There must have been so many wolves, though. | ||
| The wolves must have ate great. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, because there were so many buffalo. | ||
| What other, being after the saber-toothed tiger... | ||
| Which was what, the Pleistocene? | ||
| What was that, like 14,000 years ago? | ||
| Was that what it was, when the bully mammoths and Sabertooth tigers also existed? | ||
| What other animal would eat them? | ||
| It would only be wolves and mountain lions, right? | ||
| Can a mountain lion even take out a... | ||
| I don't think so. | ||
| Because I think mountain lion more is a stalk and pounce type of animal as opposed to the endurance running. | ||
| I don't know if you've seen Planet Earth, the series where they have an aerial shot of wolves hunting... | ||
| I think it was a caribou. | ||
| It may have been an elk. | ||
| And how they basically... | ||
| The wolves would run this trippiest thing when you see it from the air. | ||
| They're almost like a peloton in the Tour de France, so they have the wolf in the front who's tiring out the caribou, and then the replacement runner will come from the back and fill in, and that guy will drop back. | ||
| And so they just run this relay race where they tag in and tag out. | ||
| On running this animal until it drops. | ||
| And then they take it out. | ||
| Holy shit. | ||
| Like persistence hunting, sort of. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Which they still do in certain parts of Africa. | ||
| They'll chase a gazelle or whatever the fuck it is down until it just runs out of gas. | ||
| Yeah, pretty wild. | ||
| And then they stab it. | ||
| Fuck, how long does that take? | ||
| I guess that can only be done in a place like Africa. | ||
| You need the high heat. | ||
| And you'd also need the higher heat. | ||
| Oh, right, right, right. | ||
| For the animal to overheat. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| That makes sense. | ||
| Because that was the weirdest thing about deer, when you open them up, how hot they are on the inside. | ||
| It's like, it's really kind of like, whoa. | ||
| It's a real eye-opener. | ||
| Yeah, what was really trippy, so the field dressing, right? | ||
| So I was much more interested in what happens after... | ||
| Pulling the trigger than before. | ||
| Did you stalk this deer? | ||
| No. | ||
| The first deer, this was done from blind, so it didn't have to work as hard on the hunt, certainly, compared to caribou. | ||
| With the caribou, we did have to stalk. | ||
| So you did both with Rinella? | ||
| I did both with Rinella. | ||
| And the first one, how long ago was it? | ||
| The first one had to be a year and a half ago, or maybe even slightly less. | ||
| Was that when he had the other show, The Wild Within? | ||
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No. | |
| No. | ||
| No, I don't think so. | ||
| Was the new show Meat Eater? | ||
| So the deer hunt was not filmed for Meat Eater. | ||
| The caribou hunt was filmed for Meat Eater. | ||
| So the deer hunt was just you guys? | ||
| The deer hunt was just because I met Steve and I said, you're my guy. | ||
| If I'm ever going to hunt, you're the guy who's the best option for guiding this. | ||
| Got along and both have pretty fucking strange senses of humor and went to South Carolina. | ||
| You think he has a strange sense of humor? | ||
| I think he has. | ||
| He can. | ||
| Depends on how much wine we've had. | ||
| When we were camping, what was great is we had these fucking... | ||
| Bags of wine because they were from the boxes but they've been taken out and they look just like an IV bag. | ||
| So I've been like fantasizing about getting these like rolling carts from the hospital like supply store and just getting fucking IV bags of wine that people can drink through like a camelback at dinner just to creep the shit out of everybody. | ||
| Those camelbacks are fun. | ||
| You were in a warm weather area. | ||
| Was it a warm weather time? | ||
| In South Carolina it was. | ||
| So we had to be really careful about keeping all the meat cool. | ||
| That's part of the reasons that you need to One of the reasons you need to remove the internal organs so quickly is so that the meat doesn't spoil. | ||
| What was super trippy for me, because I've just never experienced anything quite like it, was when I was doing the field dressing, maybe a minute or two into the process, I just felt like I had done it before. | ||
| I had this hardwiring moment where I was just really good at it. | ||
| That doesn't happen with many things. | ||
| It made me think about how do orphaned cats know how to hunt? | ||
| How do orphaned anything fill in the blank? | ||
| That's even more specific than knowing how to hunt. | ||
| How to clean it is really incredible. | ||
| We just like to take it apart. | ||
| It felt so natural going through it. | ||
| Obviously, you're a very smart guy, so this had been something you had considered for quite a while before you actually went hunting. | ||
| But I never read about the field dressing because I wanted to have an intellectually honest first experience for my readers and to be able to convey that to them. | ||
| So I did not study butchering, field dressing, anything. | ||
| The only thing I studied was the marksmanship because I didn't want to fuck it up. | ||
| One of the things I liked about his show, as opposed to a lot of other hunting shows, was the fact that he did do a lot of the field dressing on the air. | ||
| He did show you what was going on. | ||
| So I had a better sense of it. | ||
| I'd seen a lot of hunting shows before. | ||
| I'd watched Ted Nugent's show a lot. | ||
| But he doesn't clean them as much. | ||
| He'll do it occasionally. | ||
| But Steve did it quite a bit. | ||
| And it's very, you know, you get to see, like, that's realistic shit, man. | ||
| Like, you really see what an animal's... | ||
| Like, when you get a steak, you know, okay, let's back it up. | ||
| Here's the animal. | ||
| Now it's dropped. | ||
| Now you open it, and then you turn it into steak. | ||
| Like, whoa, that's a completely different experience. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| And it was fascinating to go through it for the first time, but also document the whole thing in terms of photos and videos and everything else, all the way until that night when we had... | ||
| Yeah, some backstraps, which are kind of like the spinal erectors. | ||
| Dude, you're talking like a hunter. | ||
| Yeah, well, I'm using Steve Rinella's vocab. | ||
| Yeah, well, the backstraps, what was trippy about that, because I think about anatomy just in terms of training and weightlifting, deadlifts and blah, blah, blah. | ||
| And so I was thinking, oh, backstraps. | ||
| And so then I went back to where we were staying with a guy named Dave Amick, who builds custom rifles. | ||
| And they had this little Labradoodle. | ||
| I was playing with a Labradoodle, and I started feeling its back and its anatomy. | ||
| It was so weird. | ||
| And I was like, is it weird that I'm looking for back straps on this Labradoodle? | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| And Steve's like, don't worry. | ||
| When I give my wife a back massage, I think the same thing. | ||
| Oh, wow. | ||
| That's so weird. | ||
| It's like when you're actually taking an animal apart and thinking about the anatomy, you start seeing... | ||
| Those cuts and that anatomy, everything that moves, it's really fucking weird. | ||
| Well, when you see an animal for a purveyor of meat, you see it as a meat container. | ||
| Yeah, it's a new experience. | ||
| Yeah, it's weird. | ||
| I went to Kreischer's birthday party last night, and they had one of those things. | ||
| It was like a box where you put a pig inside, and then you put coals on top of the box, and then you flip it. | ||
| It's like they bury it underground or something? | ||
| Yeah, but I guess it cooks faster than burying it underground. | ||
| It only takes like three to four hours or something like that. | ||
| It was amazing watching them take the pig out and then... | ||
| Bert was just digging in there, taking out parts of the pig and then cutting out the meat. | ||
| Oh, this was Bert's birthday, right? | ||
| Bert's birthday party. | ||
| It made me feel like such a pussy watching all these men just taking this pig apart. | ||
| They all knew exactly what to do. | ||
| I would be disgusted by it. | ||
| Really? | ||
| So you look at the whole pig, you were like, this is too much seeing the whole pig? | ||
| It was really creepy. | ||
| I thought it was creepy to watch. | ||
| Because it's an actual body. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I think the box makes it creepier, though, because it's like a coffin for a pig instead of just being in the ground. | ||
| Yeah, I think. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I think that never really bothered me, but maybe I look at things differently. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Maybe if I wasn't, it snuck up on me. | ||
| I've been thinking about it for so long. | ||
| By the time I went hunting, I'd been... | ||
| I've been thinking about it for at least 10 years. | ||
| I wanted to do it for at least 10 years. | ||
| I'd always wanted to feel more conscious and aware, just like responsible for the food that I eat, including the meat. | ||
| And I just, I didn't know that someone like Steve existed. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Right. | ||
| Until I met him and I'm like... | ||
| Yeah, well I don't think there's many like him. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, maybe he's brothers. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| There's the pig laying in the... | ||
| Oh, that's wild, man. | ||
| That's kind of creepy looking. | ||
| Yeah, that pig looks like someone dropped a refrigerator on him. | ||
| That looks like a PETA advertisement. | ||
| Yeah, right? | ||
| And then there's a... | ||
| I'm sorry. | ||
| And then there's like the pig head, putting it through Bert's body, like a photo of Bert. | ||
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Oh, that's weird. | |
| The head is certainly weird. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's cool, though. | ||
| The pig cooking a pig on a spit, essentially. | ||
| A whole pig. | ||
| And they did it at his place. | ||
| Yeah, it was pretty sweet. | ||
| In his man cave. | ||
| I completely understand, by the way, where everyone's coming from who's a vegan. | ||
| Everyone who's coming from is a complete animal lover and doesn't want to have anything to do with eating meat. | ||
| I fucking hear... | ||
| And I think it's a very noble way of thinking. | ||
| If you really look at what they're doing, they're essentially trying to be a part of the next stage of evolution. | ||
| When it's done through the right or for the most moral reasons, they're trying to exist with very minimal karma, with no death, no damage to the planet. | ||
| But the reality of this environment that we live in now, this world, this existence, this dimension that we live in now, is that these animals, these are all temporary animals. | ||
| And some of them, they're dumb as fuck. | ||
| There's this whole system going on here. | ||
| You've got to recognize this system where we're attaching morals to... | ||
| To something that's just this natural, everyday process of animals, consuming animals. | ||
| And in order for you to... | ||
| You must recognize you are an animal. | ||
| And in order for this animal body to work at its best, really it should eat animals. | ||
| You know, that's the... | ||
| I mean, you can live and exist as a vegan. | ||
| There's a lot of top vegan athletes like Mac Danzig. | ||
| He's a high-level vegan athlete. | ||
| But maybe he'd be better if he ate meat. | ||
| It's possible. | ||
| You know, if you listen to guys like Dave Asprey, they tell you the science behind... | ||
| You know, eating actual animal matter and what that does to your nerves, the way your body performs, the way your body can move. | ||
| I don't know if he's right. | ||
| I'm too stupid. | ||
| I'm too stupid to really know who's right. | ||
| But it sounds to me like the people that are trying to be vegans, I like what that stands for. | ||
| I like what that stands for. | ||
| That stands for people that recognize that like, man, I'm doing something. | ||
| I'm affecting something. | ||
| I don't want to be a part of it. | ||
| But if you want to live in a society, the reality is we've sort of distanced ourselves from what we're doing by not having most people involved with the actual taking of the animal's life. | ||
| So even though you're a part of the chain of command or the chain of evidence or the chain of matter from a living animal to steak, you've got nothing connected to it. | ||
| So there's a lot of people that are wearing leather. | ||
| There's a lot of people that are eating cheeseburgers and they're like, I can never go hunting. | ||
| And you're like, well, that's kind of crazy. | ||
| That seems like it's kind of crazy. | ||
| No, I totally agree. | ||
| And I would also say, you know, what a lot of people don't realize is the industrially farmed meat, and I use the term, you know, farmed very loosely, but is extremely damaging to the ecosystem and ecological sustainability in the U.S. But what they miss is, like, monocrops, like wheat, soy, corn, are arguably equally or more damaging. | ||
| And I think that So one of the things that made me want to actually explore food more is that in the next 10 years or so, I met with a lot of really interesting people like Sam Kass, who's the private chef for the Obamas at the White House, also does a lot of food policy stuff. | ||
| Damn, you know the chef at the White House? | ||
| Yeah, I've met him before. | ||
| What does Obama like to eat? | ||
| Well, the meals he told me about were fish. | ||
| So he would go out and catch the fish and then bring them in and cook them. | ||
| Obama would catch the fish? | ||
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No. | |
| That's not what I was guessing. | ||
| No, Sam Cass. | ||
| What were you guessing, Brian? | ||
| Chicken and watermelon? | ||
| You son of a bitch. | ||
| You son of a bitch. | ||
| But something like 50% or more of the current small farm owners in the U.S. are set to retire in the next five to ten years. | ||
| And what that means is you have these last of the Mohican, like, small family-run farms in many cases. | ||
| They're going to be up for grabs, whether that turns into strip malls or is handed over to Monsanto or some big industrial food corp. | ||
| Or third, which is really the only sustainable option that I see, is moving from a few really big producers to many smaller producers. | ||
| Otherwise, there's just too much politics involved with subsidies for corn and things of that type. | ||
| Explain that to people who don't understand that because there's a weird thing going on with corn. | ||
| When you have a handful of very large industrial food producers and you have basically an exchange program between, let's say, the governmental bodies that regulate food And the Monsantos and the Conagras of the world, | ||
| you end up in a really fucked up situation where there are certain crops that do a lot of damage that are forced into the food supply in everything you can imagine, like corn, which will be in everything from certain, like, toothpastes to every condiment you use to bread that you eat, | ||
| because the growth of corn and distribution of corn is subsidized by the U.S. government, which makes it possible for farmers to make money by producing excesses of corn. | ||
| And if you look at, let's say, the topsoil in many of the most agriculturally productive states, they've been reduced from 10, 15 feet in some cases to less than a foot by constantly producing the same one 15 feet in some cases to less than a foot by constantly producing | ||
| So in any case, I think that there's a – when you were saying vote with your dollars, I think it's really important to realize that people are voting for – The future of this country in many, many ways, financial and otherwise, certainly from an ecological standpoint, every time they eat a meal. | ||
| You're voting three times a day for what you want in the next 10-15 years, and it's not going to be reversible. | ||
| Once that farmland goes away, we're kind of fucked in a lot of ways. | ||
| So anyway... | ||
| How did it get to that point? | ||
| How did corn, people that produce corn, how did they influence the government to get them to give them subsidies? | ||
| What is the benefit of them getting subsidies? | ||
| I don't know all the historical context, to be perfectly honest. | ||
| What is the benefit? | ||
| How do they sell it? | ||
| Well, they export a lot of corn as well. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| How does a bill like that get passed? | ||
| How does laws like that get put in the place where they're subsidizing people for growing excess corn? | ||
| So hard to say. | ||
| I mean, there's so many lobbying groups. | ||
| There's so much backdoor dealing. | ||
| If you look at, let's just say, the labeling or non-labeling of GMO food, as an example. | ||
| That was a big issue in California recently, but didn't it lose? | ||
| I think it lost in the state of California. | ||
| Yeah, it's... | ||
| Which is crazy. | ||
| Which is crazy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Sometimes they can word things where it's confusing as fuck to people. | ||
| Ultimately, I think the most direct path of making a statement is using your dollars on the right things. | ||
| This is a free market. | ||
| People respond to money. | ||
| If you can buy food whenever possible from smaller producers as opposed to bigger producers, closer producers as opposed to those really far away, The healthier you will be, the better your performance will be, and ultimately the less you'll be shackled to some company that can do whatever it wants. | ||
| It's so hard for people to do that though, and it costs a lot of money. | ||
| Even if you want to eat organic, that shit's so expensive. | ||
| If you want to eat really healthy foods, If you want to go to the supermarket and go to a Whole Foods or something and get all grass-fed this, it's amazing how much more expensive it is than going to a market and you get some weird-looking semi-gray steak and take that bitch home. | ||
| It can be expensive. | ||
| There are ways out there for people to make it. | ||
| Sort of tactical choices, for health at least, about which produce to spend more money on. | ||
| Their annual lists, for instance, the Clean Fifteen and the Dirty Dozen, and what all that means is there are The Dirty Dozen are the 12 most contaminated produce items, vegetables and fruits, that exist on the market in the U.S. They're studied every year and chemical analysis is done. | ||
| Those are the fruits and veggies that you'll want to get organically if you can afford it. | ||
| The Clean 15, on the other hand, Our foods that even when produced conventionally with pesticides, antibiotics, etc., have the lowest levels of contamination. | ||
| So those you can actually feel pretty safe buying at lower prices conventionally. | ||
| And a good way for people to tell if you're getting screwed by your local grocer or not, or tricked, is on most fruits and vegetables, you'll find a label or sticker, right? | ||
| If it starts with nine, it's probably organic. | ||
| If it isn't, If that number doesn't start with a nine, then you might be getting bait and switched if they say it's organic. | ||
| Really? | ||
| What is the standard for organic? | ||
| What is exactly organic? | ||
| Does it mean no pesticides? | ||
| What does it mean? | ||
| This is a label that's been very abused. | ||
| I found out my loads are organic. | ||
| They're 100%. | ||
| Donkey semen. | ||
| They don't taste organic, Jack. | ||
| What are you doing? | ||
| Are you broadcasting over there on your channel as well, you freak? | ||
| Yeah, I'm doing... | ||
| Organic means a lot of things to a lot of people, but in general it's supposed to mean without, or as it's intended by a lot of people, without additional pesticides, antibiotics, etc., as it would have been grown 100-200 years ago. | ||
| But it's a battle for dollars. | ||
| A lot of these labels, if they're not regulated, get misused. | ||
| And what is the feasibility of, say if you had a community of people, say if you got together with 10, 20 people, whatever, and you all wanted to get in on some farmland and figure out how to grow your own vegetables. | ||
| Have you ever thought about how much land it takes, how many animals you need? | ||
| Yeah, I've looked at it super closely. | ||
| Is that in the book? | ||
| I talk about a lot of the survivalist and self-reliance stuff. | ||
| I don't talk about homesteading or animal husbandry as much. | ||
| I pretty much talk about... | ||
| Isn't that a weird way to put it? | ||
| Homesteading and animal husbandry. | ||
| That's my next book. | ||
| Those are two strange terms that you very rarely hear people use. | ||
| No, so I looked at this really closely. | ||
| My girlfriend actually, she's from Vancouver, Victoria... | ||
| And her family has created in the last year a farm that produces almost all of their food. | ||
| So they have a handful of sheep. | ||
| They have a garden that's probably 150 by 150 feet. | ||
| And that thing produces so much vegetation that they have to give it away. | ||
| And that's a family of four plus two dogs. | ||
| 150 by 150 feet. | ||
| It's not big. | ||
| Maybe 200 by 200. But it is... | ||
| A very manageable amount of acreage and it produces an astonishing amount of food. | ||
| Now you have to know what you're doing from a Gardening standpoint, I think raising animals in a lot of ways is a hundred times simpler than keeping track of like 20 species and keeping them alive. | ||
| Of plants? | ||
| Of plants. | ||
| Is that what they had? | ||
| 20 different things? | ||
| Oh, they had more. | ||
| They had more. | ||
| Did they use greenhouses? | ||
| They did have a greenhouse for certain plants, like tomatoes, for instance. | ||
| But outside, just like these huge stalks of kale, like four or five feet tall. | ||
| Amazing. | ||
| I mean, it's just, it was so, it was trippy for me in the same way that going on my hunt was trippy, where you're like, wow. | ||
| Huh. | ||
| So that's what a, you know, a ribeye, that's the part of the body that a ribeye is from. | ||
| Right. | ||
| In the same way, just seeing, you know, kale for the first time growing out of the ground or like asparagus or whatever. | ||
| It was really wild. | ||
| How much effort would it take to do that for like a family? | ||
| Like to run, like to grow enough food and to have, like it's an interesting thing to think about. | ||
| How much land do you need? | ||
| How much water do you need? | ||
| How much acreage do you need for four people, five people? | ||
| I don't think you need much. | ||
| I have two uncles who had one very small farm, another with a much larger farm. | ||
| You want chickens for protein, and not for the meat, for the eggs. | ||
| Because they give out eggs every day. | ||
| They just kick those eggs out. | ||
| I didn't even know that until I was in my 30s. | ||
| I'm so fucking stupid. | ||
| I thought that every time a chicken gave an egg, that egg could have been a baby chickie. | ||
| It could have grown to be a baby chickie, but you ate it before it could. | ||
| That's what I really thought. | ||
| I thought when you had fried eggs, that you were having baby chickies that you caught them in time and you killed them before they became little. | ||
| But that's not what an egg is, folks. | ||
| Chickens lay eggs every day. | ||
| The ones that we make, at least. | ||
| I don't know if it's normal in the wild for them to run... | ||
| They still produce a lot of eggs. | ||
| I mean, they're not like frankenchickens where their breast meat is so big they can't stand up. | ||
| Right, like the freak ones that you see in those weird documentaries that scare the shit out of you. | ||
| Yeah, there was a great TV show or series in the UK. I think it was BBC produced called... | ||
| I think it was Escape to River Cottage. | ||
| And it was about a chef from London who decided to go to the country and basically try to do all this stuff from ground zero. | ||
| So raising animals, raising all of his food on this property. | ||
| Do you remember the guy's name? | ||
| I should know this. | ||
| He wrote the River Cottage cookbook and as well as the River Cottage meat book, which is amazing. | ||
| I wonder if that's the same guy that Bourdain had on his show. | ||
| Got longish hair, glasses. | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| Do you know that show's over now? | ||
| He's got a new one on CNN now. | ||
| Oh, really? | ||
| Yeah, they moved it over to CNN. That's what one of the guys, Mo, who's the director of Meat Eater, is also one of the guys who works for Bourdain. | ||
| He works for both guys. | ||
| Oh, that's right. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| 0.0. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So I remember it's Hugh Farronly Whitting's Hall. | ||
| Some very British-sounding aristocratic name. | ||
| That's a very British-sounding aristocratic name. | ||
| Hugh Farronly Whitting's Hall. | ||
| Something like that. | ||
| But the show is awesome, and it goes through a lot of this stuff. | ||
| Shows him fucking it up and getting it right, which is really cool. | ||
| Yeah, I would imagine it would take some effort and planning, for sure. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But I mean, Brian Callen and I, It would require a lot of work, though. | ||
| It would. | ||
| But it's probably a good idea. | ||
| Part of what I thought about when I was doing all this research over the last... | ||
| Fuck, two years since we last saw each other, whatever, is creating a... | ||
| A small group of modern hunter-gatherers. | ||
| So you have five friends, and instead of trying to do it all yourself, you're like, alright, you're in charge of caribou. | ||
| Go get us some caribou. | ||
| You're in charge of fucking tomatoes. | ||
| You're the tomato guy. | ||
| Make sure you get the tomatoes. | ||
| You're in charge of, who the fuck knows, kombucha. | ||
| That would be a great thing to make. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Isn't it crazy, though, that that might be a reality someday? | ||
| It's impossible for people to imagine anything bigger than Sandy or Katrina. | ||
| Katrina was bigger than Sandy, but something along those lines. | ||
| A massive disaster, a massive loss of property and life. | ||
| But that's nothing compared to what used to be here. | ||
| Just the ice that used to be over North America. | ||
| Some guy, we were in Canada, and he was talking about how they found The guy just brought it up. | ||
| Someone was talking about global warming. | ||
| And he was saying how they found beaver dens under hundreds of feet of ice in Greenland. | ||
| And that at one point in time, that ice wasn't there. | ||
| This was real simple. | ||
| It was real recent. | ||
| Some shit happened. | ||
| And we cling to the idea of staying in a spot. | ||
| We cling to the idea, this is my land. | ||
| I've staked a claim. | ||
| I have a property line. | ||
| I even have a fence up. | ||
| But that's ridiculous, because this earth is a constantly shifting organism. | ||
| It's a thing, and it moves around, and things change. | ||
| The atmosphere changes. | ||
| There used to be dinosaurs here, stupid. | ||
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This shit is volatile. | |
| And we don't want to believe that. | ||
| We want to believe that, oh, I shut my little cardboard door and locked my little brass lock and I'm in. | ||
| I'm completely shut off from the environment. | ||
| You know, just having... | ||
| Fuck. | ||
| I mean, people spend three hours on a Saturday... | ||
| Spend a few hundred bucks, go to Costco, because they have all this disaster preparedness stuff, and get two weeks of food. | ||
| Get like a week or two of water. | ||
| Just have it. | ||
| What's the downside? | ||
| It's definitely not a bad thing to have. | ||
| It's definitely not a bad thing to be prepared. | ||
| If you could do solar power, I definitely want to try to do that. | ||
| And a lot of people go with, they have both. | ||
| They have a generator, they'll have solar power, they have propane. | ||
| You can have propane generators that will kick on automatically when your power goes out. | ||
| I had that in Colorado. | ||
| Because when I was living in the mountains, apparently the power goes out up there all the time. | ||
| Sometimes it takes a long time for them to turn it back on. | ||
| So as soon as the power would go on, you would hear like a second and then you'd hear the generator kick on. | ||
| It was a big ass generator that was set up for this property. | ||
| But windmills, that's another option. | ||
| My friend in Oregon has windmills. | ||
| And he actually sells power back to the grid, however the fuck that works. | ||
| How does that work? | ||
| Buy your power. | ||
| The meter goes the opposite way. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| They don't get my credits. | ||
| That's what some, actually many schools in California and elsewhere are doing to generate extra revenue, is they're actually Wow. | ||
| Or some type of monthly stipend, or they get a percentage of the energy that is then sold back to the grid, basically. | ||
| Yeah, there was a school in Boulder that had a whole farm set up there. | ||
| It was pretty badass. | ||
| The kids were growing their own food. | ||
| That's cool. | ||
| That would be a really smart thing to teach kids how to do. | ||
| Instead, you teach them some shit they're almost likely to never use. | ||
| Teach someone how to actually grow some food. | ||
| That would be a great thing to teach as a standard class in high school. | ||
| Farming. | ||
| Just simple farming. | ||
| This is how you grow vegetables. | ||
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| Why isn't that a requirement? | ||
| Math is a requirement. | ||
| English is a requirement. | ||
| We're like, listen, we've got the natural world locked down. | ||
| We don't have to think about that anymore. | ||
| But that lost connection, you really do feel this connection when you grow something, when you actually grow something and then eat it. | ||
| It's like it awakens something inside you, this weird primal satisfaction. | ||
| And also just the therapeutic aspect of having to care for something besides yourself, I think is really, I certainly underestimated it. | ||
| I mean, I kill plants like it's my job. | ||
| I have a brown thumb or I don't pay attention, I don't care, whatever it is. | ||
| But I ended up experimenting again with growing plants and I just got rosemary. | ||
| It's a really tough plant. | ||
| Pretty hard to kill. | ||
| And you can use it for just about any type of food. | ||
| So I started with just a little rosemary plant. | ||
| Like cut to kind of look like a fucking Christmas tree that I got at Whole Foods or something. | ||
| And that thing will produce enough herbs. | ||
| Enough herbs for tea. | ||
| Enough herbs for food. | ||
| For like weeks and weeks on end. | ||
| And it's hard to kill. | ||
| So I found that to be... | ||
| A really low stakes way to have an early success with growing a plant that would hopefully then encourage you to do more of it. | ||
| Because it sucks when you try to get into something like that and then immediately fail because everything dies and you're like, ah, okay. | ||
| Yeah, and you don't want to jump right into the deep end of the pool. | ||
| Learn how to grow a plant. | ||
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Right. | |
| Before you think about starting a farm. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| You know? | ||
| Because if you have like your everyday life and then on the side you want to run a farm, like, bitch, you ain't got time for that. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| The full-timers have enough trouble with that. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, you would have to... | ||
| If you were going to feed yourself completely with the animals and the food, that would require a tremendous amount of work. | ||
| The people that sell vegetables and actually run a farm, a dairy farm or something along those lines, that's an incredible amount of work. | ||
| People who actually know folks that actually have a family farm, that's an incredible amount of work. | ||
| That's even more. | ||
| But just to feed yourself and your family... | ||
| It's gonna require several hours every day. | ||
| Many hours every day. | ||
| Taking care of the animals, feeding them, cleaning up. | ||
| Animals, definitely. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Dealing with, you know, setting up whatever the fuck you have around your vegetables, whether it's fences or this or that, or keeping your irrigation going, keeping your watering going, dealing with fucking pests, little fucking things that start eating your food. | ||
| You can actually purchase, they're pretty cool, I think they're hydroponic, I might be using the wrong word, hanging gardens. | ||
| So they have these plastic containers that hold the various plants and it actually hangs down the side of a door almost like a shoe holder and then there's an automated water system that you can time so you can leave and go away for a day or two and it just grows these plants effectively vertically which is super super cool. | ||
| And then they get to a certain size you have to plant them? | ||
| Get to a certain size and you can eat them. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah, you don't even need to plant them. | ||
| Wow! | ||
| That's super cool. | ||
| Do they run on power? | ||
| Like, what kind of power is it? | ||
| Yeah, you would plug in, if you have the timed and automated watering system, then you'd plug it in. | ||
| See, that seems to me like it's at least slightly defeating the whole purpose of the whole thing, if you need the fucking electricity to be on. | ||
| Right, yeah. | ||
| I think this is more for the aesthetic of having plants on your door. | ||
| Yeah, well, it's pretty dope if they can keep the power on. | ||
| But if you don't keep the power on, then all that means is you have to water the plants, which means you better have some goddamn water if your water system, if your municipal water goes out. | ||
| Yeah, no shit, man. | ||
| You have to have like a well system. | ||
| Or just go by, I mean, for instance, in the basement of my apartment right now, I have, I don't know what it is, like 40 gallons of water. | ||
| Don't tell people, dude. | ||
| They'll come looking. | ||
| I have five guns. | ||
| I'll shoot them. | ||
| You'll shoot them for your water. | ||
| Wow, Tim Ferriss, murder's thirsty guy. | ||
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I have like seven of those Arrowhead tub water things. | |
| If people, after three days of no water, people will start looking for water. | ||
| Oh yeah, man. | ||
| It's not like I'm saying I expect that, but... | ||
| Here's the thing. | ||
| I like target practice. | ||
| I have ranges near my house. | ||
| It's fun to do. | ||
| Having a firearm as worst case scenario insurance in a location where a seven point or higher Richter scale earthquake is 80 plus percent probable in the next 15 years. | ||
| Is that real? | ||
| 80%? | ||
| 70% plus a few years ago. | ||
| And I think that has since gone up because on the ring of fire we had Japan, New Zealand, and I think the odds just improved. | ||
| What's the deal with those dudes who find wells with a divining rod, a stick? | ||
| Dowsing? | ||
| Is that what it's called? | ||
| What's a divining rod then? | ||
| What the hell is that? | ||
| A divining rod, I believe, is where you hold on to the fork. | ||
| Of a stick that looks almost like a slingshot. | ||
| So you hold on to the top of either end of the Y, and then you're supposed to get steered by the end of it. | ||
| So dowsing is the use of a dividing rod. | ||
| That's what it is. | ||
| I believe so, yeah. | ||
| And there's another method where they have two sticks that are shaped like L's, and they hold them in either hand upside down, and then when they cross, that's supposed to indicate... | ||
| How the fuck could that be real? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| It's like that game where you play like your... | ||
| Three card money? | ||
| No, where you have the spirits where you're... | ||
| Oh, Ouija boards. | ||
| So I will say this much. | ||
| I do think there are things like that that are not unexplainable but are yet to have been explained. | ||
| And I say that partially because I've seen some pretty weird shit even at... | ||
| A lot of people don't realize this. | ||
| At Princeton University before... | ||
| I think this ended 2000-2001, but one of the reasons I went there as an undergrad is because they had something called the Scientific Anomalies Laboratory. | ||
| And this is where, among other organizations, several branches of the military funded research into things like remote viewing, which is basically scientifically controlled clairvoyance, where you have a transmitter and a receiver, and they use double-blind protocols to see if it is possible to report images back from one location, from one person to another. | ||
| And they had some... | ||
| And then... | ||
| To validate whatever, or to design the studies and then analyze the data, they had some of the world's top mathematicians and statisticians supervising this stuff. | ||
| And Professor John, J-A-H-N, who ran, I believe that was his name, who ran this laboratory, and I went down, I was a test subject. | ||
| I didn't have any X-Men-like powers, sadly. | ||
| Who supervised this, did this closing presentation when the lab was being wound down due to lack of funding, and he presented some of his findings. | ||
| He basically said, if you look at the statistics, all of this stuff has been validated, but it will never be accepted because of A, B, and C. And what was really trippy about the remote viewing, right? | ||
| So in the remote viewing protocol, one of them... | ||
| They would have, let's say, three or four envelopes. | ||
| The transmitter would choose one. | ||
| They would leave, get into a car with the supervisors, the experimenters, and then open the envelope, find GPS coordinates, and go to that location. | ||
| And that's where they would transmit from. | ||
| And what they found was, for one of the locations, the drawings that came back, and some people were better at receiving than others, the drawings all looked very, very similar, but they didn't resemble the gas station where people were going. | ||
| And then they did research on the location and they found out they were drawing barracks that had been there like 120 years earlier. | ||
| Whoa. | ||
| Trippy. | ||
| Really, really, really trippy shit. | ||
| Say if you wanted to set up an experiment today with remote viewing, are there experts that you would go to that are the bad motherfuckers of remote viewing that you really think could replicate something scientifically, like for a television show or something like that, if they were under the gun? | ||
| That's a good question. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I honestly think that these types of abilities are at some point going to be as analyzable as shooting three-pointers or looking at the top UFC fighters. | ||
| Okay, we're going to look at the fiber composition of a GSP and Anderson Silver. | ||
| I think at some point it's going to be like, oh, like, Johnny's really good at remote viewing because he has the blah, blah, blah in his, like, substantial nigra. | ||
| Yeah, he's got, like, some fucking the TH374 gene is turned on. | ||
| Oh, of course. | ||
| And so there are some people who appear to be better than this than others, but just to touch on, like, the Ouija board and fucking tarot cards and all that shit, I think that they're... | ||
| I don't place any power in the tools themselves. | ||
| I think there are people who have abilities who then use those tools to explain their abilities. | ||
| It is an outlet for their abilities. | ||
| I've just seen way too much weird shit, man. | ||
| What have you seen that's verifiable? | ||
| Oh, verifiable? | ||
| Nothing. | ||
| See, that's the problem. | ||
| I know, I know. | ||
| I want this to all be real. | ||
| The verifiable stuff, I would say, is look at research that's been done by... | ||
| I think it's Sarnoff International. | ||
| There are a bunch of defense contractors who have funded this kind of stuff. | ||
| And also, look at the... | ||
| Try to find stuff on the... | ||
| Scientific Anomalies Laboratory. | ||
| Should I watch The Men Who Stare at Goats? | ||
| You know, I've wanted to see that. | ||
| I haven't seen it. | ||
| I haven't seen it either. | ||
| It sounds great. | ||
| I heard it was very funny. | ||
| Isn't it Coen Brothers? | ||
| Is it Coen Brothers? | ||
| I've heard it's very funny. | ||
| It's Clooney, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I've heard it's very funny, actually. | ||
| I can't believe I haven't seen it now, now that I think about it. | ||
| So, there's nothing that you can, like, no studies that you can point to that definitively have proven it, but you, do you maintain that it's possible, or are you a believer? | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| I'm not operating on faith. | ||
| I think that if you look at... | ||
| Not so what I meant. | ||
| I mean, you've seen enough that you believe in it. | ||
| I've seen enough that I, what I'm comfortable saying is not that, like, telekinesis exists, or this exists, but there are... | ||
| Odd phenomena that I have seen that... | ||
| I mean, I don't think science has a limit. | ||
| Science is a method of thinking and a method of testing hypotheses. | ||
| And a method of measuring. | ||
| And a method of measuring. | ||
| The problem with unique events is you can't really measure them if they don't happen again. | ||
| If they're unique, right, exactly. | ||
| So they have to be... | ||
| Good science is replicable, right? | ||
| And I do believe that there are enough demonstrations of... | ||
| Measurements of metrics that should correlate to like chi, right? | ||
| Like energy that's emitted from palms by people in China and shit. | ||
| There have been a lot of studies like this stuff. | ||
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Really? | |
| What do they say? | ||
| Well, they have... | ||
| I don't know what they measure. | ||
| Photons? | ||
| It's probably not photons. | ||
| Heat from a distance? | ||
| I don't know what it is. | ||
| But I've seen enough stuff that I think many of these anomalies that are seen as superpowers... | ||
| They're not superpowers. | ||
| They're manifestations... | ||
| Some type of biological variable that will be explainable at some point in time. | ||
| And I'm not saying all of them exist, but I've seen... | ||
| And again, this is going to sound like it's straight out of Quackville, but it's stuff that I've fucking seen. | ||
| I lived in China for six months. | ||
| I was an exchange student there. | ||
| And saw this Qigong master from... | ||
| And I think a lot of that is pure bullshit and just cultish behavior. | ||
| But this particular guy, old guy, and he was sitting there... | ||
| In a park and he was doing his exercise and shit. | ||
| And he had dry leaves in between his hands and he was just like kind of shuffling them back and forth between his hands. | ||
| The weirdest, like one of the weirdest things I've ever seen. | ||
| Was it a con? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| You mean they were like flying through the air? | ||
| They were like sliding across this tabletop in the park between his hands. | ||
| His hands were like 18 inches apart. | ||
| I mean, I don't have any explanation for it, but I know what I saw. | ||
| So it's not like I'm a proponent. | ||
| I'm not on the psychic power lobby or anything. | ||
| Can you find that guy and get a video of that? | ||
| It seems like simple. | ||
| Like, hey, dude. | ||
| Do that leaf thing. | ||
| There are videos of all sorts of weird shit, and most of it's BS. But anyway. | ||
| You saw a guy really do it. | ||
| You believe a guy can really do that with... | ||
| I know what I saw, and to me... | ||
| How far away were you? | ||
| There's magicians everywhere going. | ||
| I was like four. | ||
| Oh, that's just that one trick. | ||
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No, I know. | |
| And here's the thing, right? | ||
| There's some really brilliant ways to con. | ||
| So it's like, that could have been a con. | ||
| God knows that China's full of cons. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Oh, sure. | ||
| I mean, if you're in Beijing, you'll have... | ||
| Art students come up to you like every 10 minutes to sell you their unique pieces of artwork and they're poor and they could really blah blah blah. | ||
| Porn? | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| Artwork. | ||
| Oh, they're poor. | ||
| I thought you said they're poor. | ||
| I'm like, they're selling you their porn in Beijing? | ||
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No, no, no. | |
| They're poor. | ||
| I mean, there are tons of scams in China, so who knows? | ||
| But what I would say is, you know, in the research for, let's say, The 4-Hour Chef, because it's kind of a book on learning. | ||
| It's a book on accelerated learning, not just on food. | ||
| But I met people who could memorize a shuffled deck of cards in like 43 seconds, right? | ||
| Or somebody who can learn a language like Icelandic well enough in seven days to go on TV and be interviewed. | ||
| So to me, if that is within their own possibility, or memorizing, training yourself to memorize 10,000 numbers, like, moving, something like moving the leaves between your hands is not like beyond belief for me. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| It's just, it's not, I don't see any reason why it should be impossible. | ||
| So you'd be able to push some energy from your hand that would make light things move back and forth? | ||
| Yeah, sure. | ||
| And again, there's been no physiological evidence to demonstrate that is possible up to this point, but there are lots of things that seem impossible that have been certainly observed, whether it's through looking at... | ||
| Theoretical physics or looking at applied physics for that matter. | ||
| I mean, there are plenty of things that were thought impossible that are just not. | ||
| You think that it's... | ||
| Or rather, you believe that there's been studies that have shown that people can generate certain amounts of energy with their hands? | ||
| What studies? | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| I'm not saying any of this stuff... | ||
| You said it's measurable? | ||
| Is it measurable? | ||
| There have been studies done in China and elsewhere looking at chi. | ||
| So the potential measurement of chi specifically. | ||
| How do they do that? | ||
| How do they memorize it? | ||
| I don't know the exact tools they're using for measurement. | ||
| And again, I'm not saying I am standing for... | ||
| I know change. | ||
| No, I know what you're saying. | ||
| You're saying that the world is weird. | ||
| The weirdest world. | ||
| The weirdest world. | ||
| Is that what I said? | ||
| Nice. | ||
| I wonder what's in my... | ||
| Whoopsies. | ||
| I need some... | ||
| I blame the weed. | ||
| I need some provigil. | ||
| So the... | ||
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What did I say? | |
| The weirdest world? | ||
| Yeah, the weirdest world. | ||
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The weirdest world. | |
| The world is weird. | ||
| That's what I'm saying. | ||
| You're not saying necessarily that you believe. | ||
| You're saying that there's so much weird shit that is real that you leave open the possibility that a guy could have some strange telekinetic control over matter. | ||
| Yeah, and for instance, you need for something to be scientifically verified with, let's say, statistical... | ||
| this number of subjects, the number of N, or you just have such a magnitude of change that the P value, the probability of it being a random event is less than 5%. | ||
| To do that, you need tools for measurement. | ||
| It's naive to think that we have created all the tools for measuring all things. | ||
| the tools for measuring all things we haven't right that's why that's why for instance people try to isolate nutrients get themselves into trouble because they'll say okay beta carotene is good for you this is true like 15 years ago and then people eat a ton of beta carotene they get sick why because they're not consuming it with naturally occurring cofactors that they couldn't isolate and so you have to be science among other things is a game of measurement so i think that as the tools get better for instance | ||
| We haven't, right? | ||
| That's why, for instance, people try to isolate nutrients, get themselves into trouble, because they'll say, okay, beta carotene is good for you. | ||
| uh right now i'm actually involved with and partially funding studies at ucsf university of california at san francisco in their neuroimaging lab where for the first time they're able to do a couple of very interesting things like take a functional mri machine and use it in the same room at the same time as an eeg which is actually a really tough problem, because these fucking magnets will, like, you know, pull shrapnel out of your skull. | ||
| I mean, they're really strong magnets. | ||
| You have to be careful. | ||
| And they're able now... | ||
| Using like even retail products like the connect and whatnot to look at how you can reverse Symptoms of dementia potentially like how do you train someone's brain to go from resembling that of a 60 year old to that of a 20 year old and The better the tools for measurement the more precise you can be the more precise you can be the more specific the protocol is that you can use and And it's fucking amazing. | ||
| There's stuff going on right now that is going to just turn things upside down when it comes to training mental performance and reversing the symptoms of age from a cognitive standpoint. | ||
| So for me, it's just like, God, as we follow Moore's Law and technology gets smaller and faster exponentially, there's certain heat issues when you get to a certain size, but the tools we're going to have for measurement in five years are going to be like Ray Kurzweil land. | ||
| So we're going to be able to isolate all cofactors involving nutrition, cellular development, the evolution of the genetics. | ||
| We're going to have all that mapped out. | ||
| A lot of it. | ||
| I mean, I think the rate of progress is going to increase, how could it not, really dramatically. | ||
| So we won't have it all figured out. | ||
| Do you think we'll get to the point where we create an artificial person? | ||
| I think we'll absolutely get to the point where we're able to create an artificial person that tricks most people. | ||
| I think that's going to happen sooner than people expect. | ||
| That's going to be so fucking weird. | ||
| I mean, it's like the Turing test, right? | ||
| And somebody could call me on this if I'm fucking it up, but I believe the Turing test was having effectively a chat communication between a real human and a computer, and having that computer trick the human into believing that it is another human. | ||
| I think the more interesting Turing test is when you get an artificial human sitting across from you who tricks you, fools you into believing that it's another human. | ||
| And I don't think... | ||
| I mean, maybe I'm in my own sort of echo chamber living in Silicon Valley, but just seeing how quickly things are moving and how quickly things are getting quicker, I'd be surprised if we don't hit that point in five to ten years. | ||
| I'd be super surprised. | ||
| It's amazing when you really stop and think about what lies ahead. | ||
| We are so far away from the reality that existed when I was just in high school, which is 20 years ago. | ||
| To look at the future and look at what lies 20 years ahead from now, it's almost unrecognizable. | ||
| Things are going to get so strange. | ||
| Well, if you think about the movie Minority Report, right? | ||
| So Minority Report was made, what, like 10 years ago? | ||
| And, like, all of that technology, and I think that was supposed to take place, like, 20 years from now or whatever it is, like, that stuff's going to exist. | ||
| All of those screens that you can move with your hands and everything, I mean, that's going to be widespread in the next two years, probably. | ||
| And, you know... | ||
| Yeah, that's not even... | ||
| That's like that Microsoft Surface thing. | ||
| It's very similar to that. | ||
| We're running ahead of schedule. | ||
| Things are running ahead of schedule. | ||
| And people give... | ||
| So Ray Kurzweil is... | ||
| I'm not sure if you know who that is, but he... | ||
| Oh, yeah, sure. | ||
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| So people... | ||
| Because of some of his beliefs, and I think a few of his conclusions are clouded by the fact that he fears mortality and wants to bring his dad back to life and things like this. | ||
| But he's a brilliant guy with an excellent track record of prediction. | ||
| So when he says we're going to have nanobots that you swallow and are able to diagnose all your issues and fix all these problems, I don't think he's that far off with most of it. | ||
| I really don't think he's that far off. | ||
| Are we going to be able to make people immortal in the next 20 years and have it very conveniently coincide with his projected median death sentence? | ||
| Probably not, but... | ||
| But he's sort of opening people's ideas or minds up, rather, to the possibility. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| There's sort of an extrapolation that he has made that maybe other people would just not be qualified or have the vision to see. | ||
| And when he lays it out, it really sort of changes the entire game. | ||
| Because when it becomes a mainstream idea, like Transcendent Man, his documentary, all of a sudden, amazing. | ||
| Fascinating insight into him as a human being, too. | ||
| But all of a sudden, that becomes like a live meme. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And that idea sort of grows because of the fact that he's talking about it on this documentary. | ||
| Oh, he'll accelerate it. | ||
| Yeah, unquestionably. | ||
| Unquestionably. | ||
| And I actually saw the debut of Transcendent Man, or Transcendental, one of the two, at Tribeca Film Festival, and Ray was literally right here. | ||
| He was sitting in front of me watching it, which was pretty cool to sort of watch him watching this movie. | ||
| Wow, was it weird? | ||
| Wasn't that weird? | ||
| I'm a... | ||
| So I'm... | ||
| Well, I guess starting a few years ago and for a number of years was a visiting faculty member for the finance and entrepreneurship track of Singularity University, which Ray started along with Pierre Diamandis, chairman of the XPRIZE, based at Ames NASA location in Mountain View, California. | ||
| I've had a chance to interact with a lot of Ray's cohorts and colleagues, as well as Ray himself and Peter Diamandis, who's a really impressive guy in his own right. | ||
| Ray's a smart guy. | ||
| I like that he doesn't back down. | ||
| So I think when a lot of people who are very, very smart have extremely bold ideas, they sort of get browbeaten into curtailing their belief. | ||
| Really? | ||
| In what way? | ||
| Well, I think that Ray has stood up to critics so many times and gone on TV so many times despite the fact that People tend to completely dismiss a lot of his stuff out of hand. | ||
| And I just like that he has so much intestinal fortitude to stick to his guns. | ||
| His level of conviction, based on everything that he has seen, I think is warranted, number one. | ||
| I just find it very admirable that he doesn't hedge or try to concede or in any way negotiate. | ||
| See, I'm so out of the loop and I hang out with such a bunch of weirdos that no one that I hang out with even remotely thinks that it's crazy. | ||
| I hang out with people that believe in chemtrails and shit and fucking government conspiracies left and right. | ||
| So this coming singularity is like, oh yeah, that's happening. | ||
| I'm also living in San Francisco and it's... | ||
| People who want to colonize Mars and shit. | ||
| So it's not that out of reach for people that I spend time with. | ||
| In any case. | ||
| Some people don't see it. | ||
| They see it differently than him and they're also brilliant men. | ||
| Like Hugo de Garris, who was in that documentary as well, who believes that, he calls them artilects, the artificial intellect. | ||
| And he doesn't think it's a rosy scenario for the human race at all. | ||
| He doesn't believe... | ||
| He's got the iRobot... | ||
| Yeah, he's got that scenario going on. | ||
| He thinks that some shit, you know, is going to get completely away from us. | ||
| I think it's extremely likely. | ||
| I mean... | ||
| Humans are constantly creating things that can destroy everything. | ||
| Well, our best accomplishments are all destructive. | ||
| People would say that's really an ignorant thing to say. | ||
| But I would say that the most impressive things that people have figured out how to do is create nuclear bombs. | ||
| To make the Large Hadron Collider, which is not necessarily a destructive thing. | ||
| The Large Hadron Collider is not a destructive thing, but it does make microscopic black holes. | ||
| You really have to realize that you're creating some incredible amount of energy. | ||
| You're releasing some amazing amount of energy to make these atoms collide at the speed of light or just slightly under the speed of light. | ||
| It's not destructive, don't get me wrong, but it's bordering on it. | ||
| It's like, what are you doing? | ||
| You're figuring out a way to fuck with... | ||
| What's going to happen from that? | ||
| Well, it's eventually going to get to something that you can use to make a country turn into a whole. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You know, you'll just have a hole where this one country used to be. | ||
| A void. | ||
| Yeah, you'll have, like, no matter. | ||
| The nothing in the never-ending story. | ||
| Can you imagine? | ||
| I want to be the first person to try to fuck a black hole. | ||
| You probably already have. | ||
| If you can conceive of the idea of someone dropping an atomic bomb on a city full of people that had nothing to do with the conflict and really had... | ||
| No choice whatsoever in where they were born, which is exactly what we did in the 1940s in Nagasaki and Hiroshima. | ||
| If you can conceive of that, the next step is literally you show up where this town used to be and there's a giant black hole just sitting there. | ||
| You can't get too close to it and it's just no matter and you can't see through it and it just sits there. | ||
| And that's where the town used to be. | ||
| And someone just decided to erase it. | ||
| That's not outside the realm of possibility. | ||
| A nuclear bomb itself is fucking bananas. | ||
| That idea is crazy. | ||
| You could figure out a way to harness the very power of the sun itself and drop it on a city. | ||
| And instantly make a half a million people just disappear. | ||
| You could do that. | ||
| You can come up with the next level. | ||
| The next level shit is going to be even nuttier. | ||
| And that's the forefront of our capabilities. | ||
| And of course, it's like distribution of information and beautiful things that have come from medical innovation and the scientific understanding of the world, the universe we live in is beautiful and it helps the growth of the human being. | ||
| But at the end of the day... | ||
| What we really like doing is figuring out a way to fuck things up with extreme efficiency. | ||
| Yet a lot of that is the potential of an accidental black swan. | ||
| Like, oops! | ||
| We thought we were going to do this, but now we have a black hole over Toledo. | ||
| Oh yeah. | ||
| And then there's all of the stuff behind the scenes that people don't see, where there are very competent people who are very deliberately trying to destroy things. | ||
| You think? | ||
| Oh, I don't think. | ||
| I mean, I have friends who are on deployments to different places, and they're like, oh yeah, we just got a biotech terrorist with a PhD from a brand-name university in the U.S. in Yemen who's trying to build a dirty bomb to explode over the Great Lakes using blah, blah, blah. | ||
| And we're just like, whoa. | ||
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| The number of times... | ||
| Do you subscribe to the idea that that's what's going on with the United States government? | ||
| That's why it's trying to clamp down on personal liberties and freedoms. | ||
| It really is to protect people because there's so much shit going on that we don't know about. | ||
| I would love if that was true. | ||
| There's so much shit going on that we don't know about. | ||
| It's not like they want to read your email and find out who you're sending dick pictures to. | ||
| What they want to do is make sure that no one's making a fucking dirty bomb. | ||
| And there's only one way to really do that, is to monitor everybody's email and look for certain words. | ||
| But then you're going to arrest Brian because he'll call a girl. | ||
| I'm like, I'm going to leave a dirty bomb in your mouth. | ||
| And then, boom, next thing you know, you're in jail. | ||
| I think there's a fine line between the two. | ||
| I mean, I think that once you sort of set the juggernaut in motion for, like, constant surveillance and warrant-free... | ||
| Wiretapping and whatnot, that it's a fun... | ||
| I think it's very hard to not have the two go lockstep hand in hand. | ||
| The other issue is, human beings, whenever they have power over other human beings... | ||
| They abuse it. | ||
| You can go back to the Sanford prison studies that they did where they were trying to... | ||
| Stanford was... | ||
| They got students to pretend to be jailhouse guards and prisoners. | ||
| And they had to stop the experiments really quickly because people immediately started abusing each other. | ||
| It was supposed to go on for something like a week or two weeks. | ||
| They canceled it, I think, after 48 hours. | ||
| One of the big problems with the idea of warrantless surveillance is that you're allowing people that are just regular folks to decide whether or not they should spy on people and whether or not they should take their information or whether or not they should fuck with their lives. | ||
| You have no evidence whatsoever that they are enlightened. | ||
| No evidence whatsoever that they're operating on a higher frequency, all with the good of mankind. | ||
| There's no evidence whatsoever that government people are any different than regular people. | ||
| And regular people are fucking crazy. | ||
| Regular people are on antidepressants, taking sleeping pills, and drinking every weekend, and they're doing drugs, and they're all fucked up in the head. | ||
| And who knows what SSRIs they're on. | ||
| That's everybody. | ||
| That's a huge percentage of our population, including people in government. | ||
| And we've seen with this General Petraeus thing, okay, that the people at the highest level of government, a guy who's the head of the fucking CIA, still can't keep his bitches in check. | ||
| He's still got regular people problems. | ||
| The guy's still got, like, affairs. | ||
| He's still got, you know, this hot woman who's married and this is going on. | ||
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| And these people, that's the CIA, they're allowed... | ||
| Ironically enough, what I think is fascinating about this is this must allow the people at the highest levels of government to understand how dangerous this is because the whole thing came about, like his exposure came about because the FBI was investigating the CIA. The FBI and the CIA don't like each other. | ||
| I didn't know that. | ||
| Did you know that? | ||
| Did you ever think that the FBI and the CIA didn't like each other? | ||
| No. | ||
| I have a friend who explained to me that the Navy SEALs and the Marines do not like each other. | ||
| There's a lot of infighting. | ||
| That shit is ridiculous. | ||
| Yeah, a ton of infighting. | ||
| Mildly don't like each other or want to kick each other's asses? | ||
| Well, they play football against each other, don't they? | ||
| Maybe that's an unfair question to ask because you're generalizing and lumping everybody into one group. | ||
| But, I mean, if you look at, let's say, the FISA bill, which Obama passed a couple years ago, which effectively allows warrantless wiretapping, the response that people have, which I understand, which was a response I had for a long time, is, I don't have anything to hide. | ||
| If it keeps everyone safer, go for it. | ||
| Right. | ||
| The problem with that is, when you have... | ||
| People in power like to stay in power. | ||
| Obviously enough. | ||
| When you have... | ||
| That type of warrantless wiretapping. | ||
| Who do you think are going to be the first people who get wiretapped? | ||
| Every member of Congress. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| All your opposition. | ||
| So what percentage of congressmen or congresswomen have dirty laundry? | ||
| 100%. | ||
| Everybody has fucking dirty laundry. | ||
| I mean, it's easy enough to... | ||
| Especially the old school people that have been around a long time. | ||
| They were rocking it pre-internet. | ||
| If you want... | ||
| Teddy Kennedy, you want to go to his past? | ||
| Those guys, the fucking Newt Gingrichs of the world, they rocked it that way long before the distribution of information. | ||
| So now that all this stuff is out and everybody's tapping everything, like, whoa! | ||
| You see, with the Petraeus scandal, clearly mapped out the problem with this whole situation. | ||
| Because... | ||
| There is fucking no reason this should be news. | ||
| There's no reason this should be investigated by anybody that's in any organization that's trying to stop crime. | ||
| Because there's no crime being committed other than, I guess, morals violations by the guy who's supposed to be exemplary of the military's highest honors. | ||
| Yeah, I guess you can look at it that way. | ||
| But the reality is, no one's in danger. | ||
| Why are you wasting resources on this fucking National Enquirer shit? | ||
| And how did you go about doing it? | ||
| Well, it's all so obvious. | ||
| You can't allow people to just check shit out. | ||
| Because the woman, she was just like some crazy bitch that's like this socialite who flirts with guys. | ||
| And then there's this other one who's the author who's emailing that girl saying, get away from my man! | ||
| And she calls the FBI and says, this bitch is threatening me. | ||
| She turned the FBI on her. | ||
| And then they're like, why is this? | ||
| What's going on here? | ||
| And then the guy who's investigating it sends shirtless pictures of himself to the chick. | ||
| So then they stop the investigation. | ||
| They go, what the fuck are you doing? | ||
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| Petraeus and this girl, oh my god. | ||
| It's so clear. | ||
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| Stop looking at each other's fucking emails! | ||
| Jesus Christ, you women! | ||
| The FBI shouldn't be a bunch of fucking women. | ||
| The FBI should be one of the most distinguished group of people in the position of power in this fucking country. | ||
| You're not supposed to be investigating who's blowing who. | ||
| That's ridiculous. | ||
| There's shit to be done. | ||
| We're in two wars, you fucks. | ||
| You can't send shirtless pictures of yourself. | ||
| Just chilling at the barbecue thinking about our case. | ||
| Flexing your six-pack. | ||
| You fucking asshole. | ||
| We're sick. | ||
| We're a goddamn sick nation. | ||
| What we need is legalized prostitution and no more snooping. | ||
| Those are two things we need to calm everybody the fuck down. | ||
| Those gentlemen in this position of power clearly need some sort of an extracurricular release. | ||
| I'm not saying everybody needs it. | ||
| I'm not saying I'm happy. | ||
| I'm good. | ||
| But what I'm saying is you need to figure out a way to calm these motherfuckers down. | ||
| And that's the only way that makes sense. | ||
| Stop reading their emails and let them get blowjobs. | ||
| We're trying to fucking keep the country safe! | ||
| I think that's a pretty good concession. | ||
| You can't just go digging into people's shit like that. | ||
| These guys are... | ||
| Petraeus is 60 fucking years old. | ||
| That means for 40 whatever it was years, he operated with no internet. | ||
| He lived his life without a fucking whisper of the internet. | ||
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And he lived his life as a fucking guy who's a professional killer. | |
| Okay? | ||
| And to all of a sudden introduce the internet into this guy's life and to start snooping on his email, I think that's rude. | ||
| I think it's not fair. | ||
| Those fucking guys, they better stop this NSA thing that they're trying to do. | ||
| They're trying to make a database of every phone call you've ever made, every email you ever take, every text message you ever make. | ||
| They're building some crazy facility in Utah where they can just record everything that gets done. | ||
| Well, just in case, they need to investigate Tim Ferriss. | ||
| He's making terrorist threats against the president. | ||
| Let's see what he's been doing online. | ||
| The scary thing is he's not making terrorist threats, but Tim Ferriss is propagating a message that the powers that be disagree with. | ||
| You get to a West Berlin Point. | ||
| Pretty fucking quickly. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| And people that think that's impossible because America doesn't... | ||
| You're not dealing with America. | ||
| You're dealing with people. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| America's just an idea. | ||
| And I love America. | ||
| I love the idea. | ||
| But I just don't trust people to be in a position of power. | ||
| And neither did the people that fucking founded this country. | ||
| That was the whole point. | ||
| And we have slipped away from that to the point where now we operate under this semi-democratic situation where you kind of have a say but not really. | ||
| That's not cool. | ||
| We're all adults. | ||
| That's not cool. | ||
| You don't have to do it that way. | ||
| There's a really good movie. | ||
| I'm going to fuck up the name. | ||
| I think it's Other People or Other People's Lives about West Berlin and the surveillance done in West Berlin. | ||
| It's a fucking great movie. | ||
| It's fascinating. | ||
| Not to dwell on this point, but people should keep that potential in mind. | ||
| It's not that long ago that we had McCarthyism. | ||
| If you want to put McCarthyism on steroids, have every phone call, every email that anyone has ever sent. | ||
| Oh my lord. | ||
| I used to think that we learn, but I think we learn, and then we forget, and then we have to learn again. | ||
| I think we have these cycles. | ||
| It's like the coming and going of the tides. | ||
| Because when I was a kid, I remember the Vietnam War ended when I was, I think I was like seven or eight or something like that, and I remember it. | ||
| Because I remember very clearly thinking, I was really terrified of the idea of war because my stepfather had avoided the draft. | ||
| He got lucky. | ||
| He didn't get drafted. | ||
| But we knew people that did. | ||
| And it was really scary that these people would go and they would have to go someplace where they might get shot. | ||
| And nobody wanted to do it, and everybody seemed to not believe in it, but yet it was still going on. | ||
| So when that war was over, I had this real tangible sense of, okay, we've figured out that that sucks. | ||
| We're not doing that anymore. | ||
| We figured out that war is a terrible thing. | ||
| It's unnecessary. | ||
| And now that the war is over, we can relax. | ||
| And that was the case all through my life, through high school and into my early, I guess I was maybe 21 when the first Gulf War happened. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I was living with my friend Jimmy Dottilia. | ||
| We were living in Waltham, Massachusetts. | ||
| And we're sitting in the middle of the living room watching the shit on TV. Because it was the first time they would show you these night vision shots of these rockets flying through the air in this eerie green hue. | ||
| And you're seeing all these explosions. | ||
| And he just looks at me and goes, well, buddy, looks like we're at war. | ||
| That Boston accent, I was like, holy shit. | ||
| We're back to this? | ||
| That one went nice and quick? | ||
| And then post-September 11th, it's like the entire lessons of generations that had to go through World War II, Korea, Vietnam, those lessons were, whatever society learned from that, at least it was temporarily lost. | ||
| Temporarily, we lost our fucking minds. | ||
| And now people are starting to come around to it again, and I'm hoping that the evolution that we make from this version of it will be more lasting because of the freedom of information, rather the free ability to distribute information with the internet, that we can get it out a little bit easier this time. | ||
| Then we can say, listen, ladies and gentlemen, we're not saying we don't need government. | ||
| We certainly do. | ||
| We're not saying people shouldn't have laws that they abide by. | ||
| They certainly should. | ||
| We should have a nice, peaceful... | ||
| I'm not saying you shouldn't make profit. | ||
| You certainly should. | ||
| What we're saying is you can't get crazy. | ||
| You can't go nutty and not look at humans and not look at the human race as the most important thing. | ||
| Instead, concentrating on money, concentrating on the extraction of resources from strange parts of the land that people aren't really paying attention to because it's not close by. | ||
| So it's okay to kill people with robots that fly in the air. | ||
| All of that is bananas. | ||
| And it doesn't mean we can't keep A nice order in the world, we can, but we can't get too fucking crazy. | ||
| And I'm hoping that, I don't know if you agree with this, but that there's a sort of a wrestling match going on between the idea of an apocalyptic scenario that's human created and the idea of technology and understanding meeting somewhere in the middle and working it out. | ||
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| No, I think that you have technology that's... | ||
| I would like to think, you know, human sort of self-interested rationality, but I don't know. | ||
| You have the technology to solve problems, which is developing really quickly. | ||
| And then you also have problems that are compounding, right? | ||
| Just like money at a bank account. | ||
| You have these problems compounding, whether it's climate change, explosive population growth in certain areas. | ||
| And so it is a bit of a... | ||
| It's a race in a sense, and I don't know which side is going to come out in front. | ||
| I mean, I'm very, very curious about population growth and how that Population density and global travel and how that compounds the impact of something like avian flu or SARS or whatever. | ||
| At what point do we reach a population density where it is like the deer jumping in front of your car? | ||
| Where you just have such a high density of people that the inevitability of disease and rapid spread globally through Air travel, effectively, just wipes out. | ||
| And isn't that sort of the natural cycle of things, is that when there's an overpopulation... | ||
| There's a correction. | ||
| There's a correction. | ||
| God, it's fucking terrifying to think of the plague as a correction. | ||
| Yeah, pretty wild. | ||
| In any case, I'm actually probably going to be getting a little bit of land in Utah. | ||
| Don't tell people! | ||
| Tell them, Ferris, they're coming to your house. | ||
| Brian and I have been talking about Columbus. | ||
| His mom's got a compound. | ||
| We're going to move in with Mrs. Redman. | ||
| I actually ended up visiting a couple of, from the last book, for our body, had a number of hedge fund managers who basically want to be the guy from Limitless. | ||
| Oh, dude, we've got to talk about this. | ||
| I've got to take a piss. | ||
| Talk to Brian. | ||
| He's really all about Limitless. | ||
| I will talk to Brian about Limitless and then I will piss because I've also had like a gallon of water. | ||
| We can all piss together, boys. | ||
| We could do that. | ||
| We were talking about this earlier. | ||
| Your book is banned from bookstores. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| What's going on with that? | ||
| Yeah, so The 4-Hour Chef is the first major book out of Amazon publishing. | ||
| Amazon about a year and a half ago announced the launch of Amazon Publishing in New York City, which would be competing against all of the major publishers to recruit authors. | ||
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| And that's really making everyone in the book industry extremely uncomfortable because Amazon's super ambitious and hyper, hyper confident and competent also. | ||
| So the book is being banned as a result. | ||
| The first time I'm aware of that book has been banned by all of Barnes& Noble, tons of indies. | ||
| But do they even matter anymore? | ||
| Because to me, I barely even see bookstores anymore. | ||
| No, I'll tell you what I think the play is. | ||
| So what they want to do... | ||
| Is kill Amazon publishing so that they aren't able to recruit good authors. | ||
| And so they want to make an example out of me as this guy who's had two number one New York Times bestsellers, very fortunately. | ||
| They want to basically cripple me so I don't hit the New York Times list and then point to that and in effect say, if that guy can't do it with Amazon Publishing, don't sign with Amazon Publishing. | ||
| Oh, you're talking about being banned? | ||
| I wanted to bring that up. | ||
| Yeah, I think it's the most... | ||
| Banned, boycotted. | ||
| 1100 bookstores? | ||
| More than that now. | ||
| Even the airport bookstores? | ||
| No, the airport bookstores are interesting. | ||
| Those are basically, not always, but effectively pay for play. | ||
| So that's like buying advertising almost. | ||
| You pay for placement. | ||
| What a lot of people fail to realize is, let's say at a Barnes& Noble, it's just like a Walmart. | ||
| If Coca-Cola owns the first 20 feet of Walmart, they legitimately pay for that space. | ||
| Similarly, if you walk into Barnes& Noble and you see the whatever-whatever rack or the new Noteworthy or whatever, the store owners have some decision over that, but a lot of it is paid co-op advertising. | ||
| That's why it's so hard if you're self-published to get books into Barnes& Noble because they're like, what are you going to pay us for an end cap? | ||
| That's not free. | ||
| Well, they also have to stay open, man. | ||
| Barnes and Nobles close left and right. | ||
| It's hard to get people to buy books these days. | ||
| I always said that if you want to really starve to death, open a bookstore in Miami. | ||
| It's hard. | ||
| It's a tough business. | ||
| I'm curious to see what happens, man. | ||
| So they've banned you? | ||
| Yeah, I'm out. | ||
| Zero. | ||
| Was there a discussion? | ||
| No. | ||
| Well, what's really funny about the whole situation, there are a lot of things that are amusing to me about it. | ||
| At first they said, well, we're not going to carry Amazon published books because you're not on the Nook. | ||
| You won't let us put The 4-Hour Chef on the Nook. | ||
| Is the Nook bad? | ||
| I have a Nook. | ||
| No, Nook's not bad. | ||
| No, what I'm saying is they were saying, hey, Amazon, you're not letting us put these books on the Nook, so we're not going to carry you in the stores. | ||
| Amazon came back and they're like, okay, fine. | ||
| Put it on the Nook. | ||
| Barnes& Noble's like, we still don't like you. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah, they're not carrying it. | ||
| In fact, some of the Barnes& Noble store owners... | ||
| Wanted to carry this book and they got severe slap down from corporate because corporate got word that they were ordering copies of the book. | ||
| And they just gave them the iron fist. | ||
| Have you thought about organizing an email campaign or something against Barnes& Noble's unfair practicing? | ||
| Is it unfair? | ||
| I think it's unfair. | ||
| Do you feel like it's unfair? | ||
| You know who it's unfair to? | ||
| The children. | ||
| The children. | ||
| Those poor refugees. | ||
| No, it's unfair to their customers. | ||
| And ultimately, this is where I think they're missing the mark. | ||
| Number one is, even if Amazon publishing fails, that will not stop the move from print to digital. | ||
| That will not stop that trend. | ||
| It will not even register. | ||
| Secondly is, the only competition is for loyal customers. | ||
| And bookstores certainly more than ever need loyal customers. | ||
| If someone comes into, let's say, Barnes& Noble, browses around, and then goes home to buy the book on Amazon for price, that person was never a customer to begin with. | ||
| If, on the other hand, somebody walks into a Barnes& Noble and says, I really want to buy a copy. | ||
| I want to buy three copies of The 4-Hour Chef as Christmas presents and for myself, and then they can't get it, all that accomplishes is they're driving that loyal customer to Amazon to become a customer of theirs. | ||
| So I don't quite understand the logic. | ||
| But again, humans are emotional, right? | ||
| That's why it's so concerning. | ||
| I'm not sure if it's a completely rational decision. | ||
| Amazon's a big scary company to a lot of booksellers, but I think that, for instance, the only way to keep print relevant for For the foreseeable, let's say, 10, 15 years, is to create a tactile experience, | ||
| like works of art through publishers like Faden, P-H-A-I-D-O-N. They make beautiful books that is next to impossible to replicate on digital or to have a very unique experience and a relationship with your customers like Omnivore Books in San Francisco, which is all cookbooks. | ||
| It's all they sell. | ||
| It's like you want to know anything about cookbooks, buy something out of print, get a recommendation, meet one of the top chefs in the world, that's where you go. | ||
| Really? | ||
| That's a specialized sort of fucking store, huh? | ||
| It's cool. | ||
| Yeah, there's one called, I think it's Slotnick, S-L-O-T-N-I-C-K, Cookbooks in New York City, same story. | ||
| It's like the mecca of cookbooks. | ||
| So you want to know something about that? | ||
| That's where you go. | ||
| And those businesses will continue to thrive, but it's like if you're competing against digital for price and convenience, it's going to be a pretty tough road. | ||
| But there are ways to counter it. | ||
| So, I mean, the only reason, if I wanted to just make... | ||
| More off of the book, I would have stayed with other publishers, quite frankly. | ||
| But Amazon was interesting because I want to try new things. | ||
| And I want to be allowed to try new things. | ||
| Like I'm doing a content partnership with BitTorrent. | ||
| I'm putting out like tons and tons, like probably well over a gig of free material and videos and all this shit on BitTorrent because they have 160 million users. | ||
| And that's the kind of thing that Amazon will let me do, whereas others may not be so keen to let me. | ||
| The other thing that people are talking about the distribution, the distribution, and they're like, oh, well, what's Amazon going to do? | ||
| The first thing, no publisher out there, I don't think any publisher except for Amazon, in my case, would let me do a 672 full-color book with thousands of photos. | ||
| That is a fucking expensive book to make. | ||
| I don't think anyone else would have let me do it. | ||
| Why is that? | ||
| I understand. | ||
| Because the margins suck. | ||
| It's a really, really tremendously expensive book. | ||
| Because of the way, the photographs, the print that it has to be on? | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| Like, to create a really physical book, a really beautiful physical book, like a tactile experience, there just aren't many publishers who will do that anymore. | ||
| And so, you know, distribution aside, if you... | ||
| So what's really... | ||
| Because I've been asked this. | ||
| What makes... | ||
| Amazon interesting from the standpoint of a content creator is that if you look at almost any other publisher, Simon& Schuster, whoever, it doesn't matter, they do not have any direct connection to their readers. | ||
| They sell to the head buyer in a category of Barnes& Noble. | ||
| They sell to the head buyer in a category at Books A Million in the middle of the country. | ||
| But whereas Amazon, I mean, I use Amazon Prime Amazon probably knows me better than I know myself in a lot of ways. | ||
| They have such direct access to tens of millions of customers. | ||
| It just makes it really attractive as an experiment. | ||
| Whether it'll turn out? | ||
| Who the fuck knows? | ||
| We'll know at the end of next week. | ||
| A really interesting scenario. | ||
| Amazon has a couple good things going for it, besides the fact that people already know it as a great place to buy things with one click and buy books. | ||
| They have this new thing that they're doing with Audible, which is one of the sponsors of this show. | ||
| They're doing WhisperSync. | ||
| Yeah, this is the fucking coolest thing ever. | ||
| It's amazing. | ||
| I was going to save it for the next Audible commercial, which is this week, but... | ||
| What WhisperSync is, essentially, is you read a book and say if you fall asleep, wherever that page is, you can have it on your smartphone where you get in your car, you plug it in, you have an app that plays through your audio jack, and it picks up Where you left off and starts reading the book to you while you're in traffic. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| It'll go from text to voice. | ||
| It's fucking beautiful. | ||
| It's really amazing. | ||
| Is it going from text to an actor's voice? | ||
| Right, so it'll sync... | ||
| Like, if you're reading a book in bed and then you get in your car to go to work and you have the audiobook version... | ||
| Then it'll pick up where you left off reading it. | ||
| So do you have to sync it from your Kindle? | ||
| I think it does it as long as you're connected to Wi-Fi or 3G. It syncs automatically. | ||
| And it syncs to your phone. | ||
| It's wild. | ||
| And then your phone knows what's up when you get in the car. | ||
| Your phone, your car, whatever. | ||
| That's ridiculous. | ||
| The government's going to know. | ||
| You're going to know what page of Fifty Shades of Grey you've paused and masturbated on. | ||
| So it's actors that read it or is it computer that reads it? | ||
| Do you know that? | ||
| My understanding is that it syncs with the point in the book that a voice actor is reading. | ||
| A companion audio book. | ||
| Yeah, if you buy an audio book on Audible, because it's owned by Amazon, and then you're reading on your Kindle, let's say... | ||
| The next chapter, you get in your car to listen to it and it will continue where you left off in the book reading. | ||
| That's incredible. | ||
| Yeah, it's wild. | ||
| Yeah, here's the answer. | ||
| It's only on the Kindle Fire HD and the Kindle Fire. | ||
| There's two of them, the 8.9 inch and the 7 inch. | ||
| The second generation ones, it's a professionally narrated audio book. | ||
| Amazing. | ||
| Yeah, it's pretty cool. | ||
| Yeah, that might actually get people to start reading books more and learning some shit. | ||
| That's the future. | ||
| But it sucks that Barnes& Noble is trying to keep you out. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, they really need me to fail. | ||
| So if I succeed next week, they're going to have a big world of trouble. | ||
| They're so silly. | ||
| Just sell the fucking book. | ||
| Stop being bullies. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, they're really being bullies. | ||
| And the thing is, I mean, I've had the prior two books... | ||
| Very successful. | ||
| They're picking the wrong guy to make an example of. | ||
| Your books are New York Times bestsellers. | ||
| Number one New York Times bestsellers. | ||
| Suck it, Amazon! | ||
| Or Barnes& Noble. | ||
| Suck it, Amazon, too. | ||
| Suck it! | ||
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| I'll suck Amazon for you. | ||
| Suck, Barnes& Noble. | ||
| Come on. | ||
| Barnes& Noble, get it together. | ||
| That's ridiculous. | ||
| Yeah, it's silly. | ||
| It's silly. | ||
| So, yeah, it's going to be a dogfight, though. | ||
| So we got some... | ||
| I could actually give you a scoop on some stuff that's happening next week. | ||
| So, for instance, nobody knows this yet. | ||
| Uh-oh. | ||
| Buckle up. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Do you have a breaking news sound? | ||
| I do. | ||
| Do you really? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You have a breaking news sound? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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| Go. | ||
| I have to find it. | ||
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Oh, well. | |
| Come on. | ||
| Semi-breaking news. | ||
| This was one of those fucking morning zoos. | ||
| That's not breaking news. | ||
| Oh, that was good. | ||
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That was worth the wait. | |
| So, you know, what do you do when you get banned by bookstores? | ||
| Well, you open your own bookstores, is what you do. | ||
| So I am actually going to be taking an outlet. | ||
| I'm partnering with Panera Bread, which a lot of people don't realize. | ||
| Panera has like, what, 2,000 locations in the U.S.? And I'm doing a pilot starting, what's tomorrow? | ||
| Monday. | ||
| Tomorrow. | ||
| In New York City, people will be able to buy The 4-Hour Chef at retail at all of the four main Panera locations in New York City. | ||
| Interesting. | ||
| So like how Starbucks sells CDs now? | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| And that's a new thing, man. | ||
| I think that's the way to go. | ||
| That's a perfect place. | ||
| Starbucks and Panera Bread. | ||
| And they're also going to be, at the same time, piloting Panera Bread. | ||
| They're going to be piloting a slow carb diet hidden menu, which is from like the 4-Hour Body stuff. | ||
| So if you want to actually effectively eat paleo or eat slow carb and lose fat, now you can go to this place that's known for bread and actually get a slow carb meal, which is pretty cool. | ||
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You can do both those simultaneously. | |
| How do you feel about seeing now, there's so much awareness for the content of food now? | ||
| See grass-fed meat everywhere now. | ||
| It's part of the vernacular now. | ||
| This didn't exist just five, six years ago. | ||
| You never heard that. | ||
| No, I think it's a great thing. | ||
| As long as the labels are policed to some extent so that assholes don't come along and start mislabeling things purposefully, which happens all the time. | ||
| But I think it's a great thing. | ||
| And, I mean, one of the goals that I have is to sort of create a supertrend Of about 20 million people who simply think about, let's say, purchasing food for breakfast differently or dinner differently. | ||
| And if you can create a super trend by getting roughly that number of people to change a certain buying habit, then I think that this country can really turn towards more of this smaller producer, | ||
| many suppliers versus I don't know, 12 months or so. | ||
| How much different would communities be if every neighborhood had a little mini farm? | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| Like a shared garden or a car garden. | ||
| And we all sort of chipped in and everybody had responsibility. | ||
| Like neighborhood watch type thing. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And it's not that far-fetched. | ||
| I mean, it's not that far-fetched at all. | ||
| Well, the problem with cars is that now we don't have communities anymore. | ||
| Like, I don't live near any of my friends. | ||
| I've been trying to get everybody to move near me. | ||
| That's not working. | ||
| We're gonna have to buy land somewhere. |
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