Dave Asprey and Joe Rogan debate nootropics like Alpha Brain (studies show ingredients work but synergistic effects remain unproven) and Bulletproof Coffee (low-toxin coffee + grass-fed butter + MCT oil for stable cortisol, energy, and clarity). Asprey slams industrial meat—antibiotics, mycotoxins from pesticide-laced corn (e.g., Roundup), and oxidized omega-6 oils—linking them to inflammation, heart disease, and cancer while praising grass-fed alternatives. He ties brain function to myelin (fat/cholesterol/choline) and neurofeedback, claiming devices like M-Wave 2 can boost IQ by 12 points, but Rogan questions accessibility, with Asprey calling $15,000 programs "ridiculous." Their conversation reveals how diet, toxins, and brain training may unlock suppressed cognitive and emotional potential. [Automatically generated summary]
And there's a bunch of studies that say the stuff inside of it is awesome.
Alpha Brain is my favorite supplement, period.
It's the one thing that I make sure I don't go anywhere without.
If I'm doing a podcast, I bring it with me.
If I'm doing a comedy show, I bring it with me.
I take it before every UFC.
It's not going to turn a genius or a moron into a genius, but I really definitely feel like it gives me a mental boost, if that makes any sense.
And there's been studies that have shown that the ingredients in the doses that we use it have had positive effects in studies.
So we're doing our own studies right now.
It takes 10 to 12 months for a double-blind placebo study from this university in Boston.
And when they're done, they take it and process all the information and figure out whether or not it's legit.
So we'll have actual studies, but the ingredients that are in the study, or the ingredients rather that are in AlphaBrain and the doses that we use, have shown positive results.
No one's ever proven that there's a synergistic effect of all the ingredients together.
That's the controversial aspect of it.
Here's the deal, though.
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Everybody's body's different.
I don't know what you feel.
I know some people can't drink.
I know some people can't smoke pot.
Some people can't eat peanuts.
The bodies are different.
If you don't feel it, I don't know what your sensitivity is.
If you don't think it's worth it, you get 100% money back.
You don't have to return the product.
Nobody's trying to rip you off.
We're trying to sell you shit that I use.
Everything we sell on it, whether it's vitamins or the blend tech blenders that are coming in tomorrow, we start selling those.
Because kale shakes, bitches, you got to get your morning started off correct.
This is all scientific studies behind all this stuff.
And all the information available is not just on Onit.com, but at Google.
If you Google nootropics, you'll get a better idea whether or not you're interested in anything.
The most important thing to have on mind, though, is you don't have to worry about it.
They're just nutrients.
It's not drugs.
You're not going to test positive for anything at work, including the hemp force protein.
That's a big question that comes up all the time.
If you have the hemp force protein, no, there's no way you can taste positive, or rather test positive for marijuana.
Hemp is completely non-psychoactive.
It's just a protein.
It's just plants.
It's like a cousin to pot.
And it's illegal, unfortunately.
You can grow it and you can buy it and you can sell it, but you can't grow it, which is fucking crazy.
It just shows you what a silly, silly, silly government we have.
Because it's an awesome plant.
It's got all the amino acids in it.
You can make fuel out of it.
Henry Ford made one of his first cars out of it.
And the fiber of the hemp plant is so durable.
It's really like an alien planet.
The fact that we don't use it, just the hemp part, forget about the pot, smoking pot, forget about all that.
Completely pretend that pot didn't exist.
It was never invented.
No one ever had it.
The hemp itself, making something like hemp illegal is one of the dumbest things a human being can do.
It's almost like making apples illegal.
It's worse than making apples illegal because you can't make a house out of apples.
You make a fucking house out of hemp.
You can construct cars out of it that are stronger than steel.
It's insane how strong the fibers of this shit is.
It makes a far superior paper.
It makes far superior clothing, things that don't rip.
But the reason why it's illegal is because way back in the 1930s, they invented a machine called a decorticator.
And the decorticator takes hemp fiber and it breaks it down and it turns it into something that's useful.
It's a long and lengthy process that they used to use slaves for.
Then when slavery became illegal, it's much easier to get cotton and use cotton than it is to use hemp.
So that's why it's illegal.
They all conspired, all these people that didn't want to lose out to the hemp industry, in the cotton industry, in the paper industry, especially William Randolph Hearst.
He ran newspapers and he printed stories about Mexicans smoking marijuana and raping white women.
It was all like just craziness to get this one plant illegal.
And it was actually for its use as a commodity.
That's what they were trying to squash.
Had nothing to do with it being psychoactive.
It's amazing that that hustle has lasted so long.
Anyway, we have hemp protein that we buy from Canada and it's the shit.
I don't think we should keep it as a sponsor just for that reason.
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Everything we sell on this podcast, I guess we're selling things, everything we promote, there we go, everything we're paid to promote is things that we believe in, 100%.
You don't ever have to worry about us trying to rip you off.
If there's anything that's being talked about on this podcast, it's always going to be 100% to the best of my knowledge.
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I mean, you can't come up with your own, but then use it in a way that they feel is fair.
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It's crazy that you get locked in these contracts, and they rope you in by giving you some crazy discount on this phone, and it's all bananas.
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Well, the hunger part happens because your body's getting the short and medium chain fatty acids that are really hard to get in your diet.
So because you're doing that, you're already getting a big boost there.
And then we believe that it probably helps to escort the terpenes that are inside coffee, like cafestrol and calohol, the psychoactive compounds that are not caffeine.
We think it helps those go into the brain.
And the other reason that I'm theorizing that it gives you this kind of boost is because the small drops of fat that are formed when you blend it are called micelles.
And they absorb better into the body, and your body can burn MCT for energy without any digestive process required at all.
This is a thing that bodybuilders used to get lean and ripped when they're in the shedding phase.
It also happens to cure Alzheimer's disease and makes you feel really good.
It has to do with the marketing of anti-blood pressure drugs.
So they found out back in about 1960 that that was a way to lower blood pressure.
Well, if you get people to basically pee more water out, their blood gets thicker, so then their blood pressure goes down.
So they started looking at salt's effect on that, and they went down this path.
And get this, in 1997, the Lancet Medical Journal, which is kind of a badass one, they published a whole thing about how the salt myth didn't work, how there was scientific fraud, how people probably should have gone to jail for spending taxpayer money and making up data.
And yet, to this day, you still hear government campaigns to lower salt consumption, knowing full well that it makes your adrenals break when you don't get enough salt.
I do 10 grams a day I have for 10 years.
I carry a vial of it around with me.
I wouldn't think of starting the morning without a teaspoon of salt.
Knowing this, having this knowledge in your head, does it infuriate you when you see these lower salt campaigns and you hear people talking about it, like low salt foods?
I did have some thyroid issues, but it wasn't just thyroid.
Like, there's all kinds of toxin and even like swelling that happens in the body.
If you have chronic inflammation turned on, you're going to be storing a third of your fat.
Maybe it's not even fat.
It's just like tissue inflammation.
So for me, I had to figure out what was causing my inflammation and what's your cortisol level.
So there's all these delicate hormones that you manipulate through your food and through your environment.
And the idea that calories in, calories out matters, I tell you, I ran this experiment.
It was a little crazy.
I know that the calorie thing is completely broken because we're not robots.
You know, we're not like a car.
You put gas in and you get so many miles as long as the wind resistance is the same.
So I thought I would eat 4,000 calories a day.
I'd sleep five hours a night or less and I'd stop exercising.
And I thought maybe I'll gain a couple pounds in a month or two and I'll say, look, I should have gained 10 pounds.
I gained two pounds.
I went for two years.
I posted a picture of a six-pack that grew during that time.
I should have weighed 616 pounds after two years of this program, not counting the sleep deficit.
And I weighed 210 at the end of it and actually was more muscular than I was before.
Of course, I was drinking bulletproof coffee.
I was doing bulletproof intermittent fasting, which I developed during that time, which is intermittent fasting, but you have only fat in the morning, which gives you this huge boost, the one that Tate was talking about when he was here with you.
So you can do all these crazy things with the body.
But I'll tell you flat out, like, fat doesn't make you fat, and calories don't make you fat.
Calories fuel your brain, though.
They're useful, but they're not a very good way of measuring your intake of food.
It turns out things like leptin resistance, things like inflammation in the gut, and things like insulin all play a role there.
What happens is your mitochondria and your cells also can get weak.
You actually get used to having to eat every two hours.
This idea of frequent snacking to keep your energy up.
What you're doing is you're teaching the body to actually need, to not be able to store, to not be resilient, to not be able to store any kind of calories at all.
What I do is I teach my body to burn fat, and I keep my calories at at least 50% of my calories are coming from fat, and most of that is saturated fat with some omega-3s mixed in.
And what happens there is I can eat pretty much as much as I can stand, and I won't gain any weight that way.
So it's simply what causes obesity isn't one single thing, but I will tell you, one of the unknown things that is a major contributor is synthetic estrogen in the environment.
A lot of that comes from mold in our food supply.
It's called xeralinone.
We actually purify it and feed it to industrial beef.
We put it in a little waxy pellet in the cow's ear.
And here's an example of how much this stuff works.
You use xeralinone, it can increase what they call feed efficiency for livestock by 30%.
Feed efficiency means if I don't give them this drug and I give them a pound of food, they gain, you know, however many ounces of fat or meat that the cow is going to gain.
You put this pellet in their ear, change their hormonal function, they gain 30% more weight on the same amount of food.
That stuff is fat soluble and it bioaccumulates.
You do not want to be eating hormone-treated beef that was treated to get fat really, really quickly.
So we know flat out, just because in animal husbandry, if we can change the calories in, calories out equation by 30%, why couldn't we do it in humans?
And the answer is we can.
And that's why every time someone tells me, measure how much you eat and measure how much you exercise and you lose weight, it's the biggest myth.
I have a whole big research, like 30 references blog post about that.
And epigenetics is like one of the main subjects of this book that I wrote.
And it's awesome because epigenetics shows how the environment changes the expression of your genes.
And you get signals from the environment all the time.
And two of the biggest signals that you can ever send your body that change the way you actually methylate your DNA are there's a threat, there's something chasing me and it won't stop.
And you do this by going for a run every single day without rest instead of practicing high-intensity interval training or instead of giving yourself some recovery time.
There's a lot of athletes and even non-athletes who are just playing overtrained.
They don't get enough recovery time to actually build the muscle up that they should build because they had to go rip it down again by lifting the next day.
So that's one signal, which is that like there's a threat to my species because I keep getting injured on a daily basis.
I keep having to run.
The other signal you can send is there's a famine.
And you tell your body there's a famine by eating low calories or low fat diets.
When you do that, it changes your gene expression.
And we know that people have went through a famine, that their grandkids have a two to three times higher chance of getting type 2 diabetes.
This stuff passes down through the generations.
So I'll tell you flat out, like if you're going on especially a low-fat, vegan diet and you're planning to reproduce, your kids are going to be weaker than they would have been before.
You can get some in coconut oil, but coconut oil does not have conjugated linoleic acid.
It doesn't have a lot of the micronutrients that are present in animal products.
You can probably get by on a vegetarian, a very careful vegetarian diet, but in terms of being fully optimal, as in kicking ass at the maximum level of what the human body can do, it's going to take more than just egg yolks.
It's going to take some steak and it's going to take some lamb and it's going to take some cod liver oil and things like that.
If you're going to be 100% vegan, honestly, I know enough people now who've posted on my blogs, even some close personal friends.
One of them was a black belt in Aikido.
He went vegan 18 months later, he's allergic to everything.
Like he had to go back, but it seriously just decimated his health.
So I'm really curious what their blood work looks like.
I'd love to see an anti-aging panel from one of those guys.
I don't know if any of them has ever posted it, but I'd love to just go through it and look at their triglycerides from all the fructose they eat.
I mean, that's one serious thing, the C-reactive protein.
Every anti-aging physician I've worked with, and when I say that, I've run an anti-aging nonprofit group called Silicon Valley Health Institute, S-V-H-I.com or .org.
We've been around for 19 years bringing guys in like Aubrey deGray and other big-time anti-aging people to give lectures.
And to a T, every single one of them except one has said flat out, I won't take a vegan patient because I cannot make them age less quickly.
Like it just doesn't work.
And these are guys who like see 10 patients a day with carefully demonstrated panels.
The bottom line is I would love it if the vegan diet was safe and effective.
I was a raw vegan for about four months, and after that I became a raw omnivore for another six or seven months before I went off to Tibet and China.
Well, the problem is it only eats some kind of weird moss that grows at high altitude and it dies when you bring it to low altitude, so it's kind of a constrained supply.
Now, what do you say about people that say that you should have like some sort of a post-workout sugary meal, some like a lot of glucose, high glucose, a little bit of protein?
I've looked at that, and what you're trying to do there is you're trying to spike your insulin afterwards because insulin, well, we have insulin-like growth factor, IGF-1, which causes you to build muscles.
It's insulin-like because it has the same effects as insulin.
So you eat a lot of sugar, spike your insulin, allegedly lay down more muscle.
There's a couple studies I've seen, and I can't cite sources from memory right now, but what I recall from seeing them is that it looks like that the effect in IGF-1 probably isn't as good as you'd like it to be.
What I do after I work out is I typically have a good amount of protein, a good amount of fat, and some starch, not a lot, and I choose low-toxin starches, which is kind of hard to do.
I've got the bulletproof diet up on the site where it's a free, but it's an infographic that basically ranks foods based on three criteria.
And if you get a bulletproof starch, like a white rice that's properly rinsed and cooked, or sweet potatoes, butternut squash, things like that, what you're doing is you're getting your carbs up enough that you can still even stay in a state of ketosis, maybe, maybe not.
But what you can do there is you can reduce your stress hormone levels.
And that eating right after you work out drops your cortisol.
And if your cortisol doesn't get dropped in that post-workout window, you get a cortisol spike that lasts for 48 hours.
So you're not going to get as much muscle.
So it's absolutely critical to eat, but do you need sugar or do you need protein and fat?
I would tend towards protein and fat with a small amount of starch.
Yeah, and plus you've got problems with when you homogenize milk, you take those fat droplets that your body really needs and you put them through a super fine screen under pressure, which makes these extremely fine fat droplets that your body doesn't know how to handle that can actually enter cells.
So homogenization can increase inflammation and it causes weird fat reactions that your body's not ready for.
And also when they pasteurize the milk, you get casein.
And casein is an inflammatory compound, depending on how it's processed, but it's a very careful protein.
I don't need any casein.
I know lots of people who are just plain allergic to it.
And I mean, you've probably had people in here talking about the China study.
That was an incredibly misrepresented book, but one of the key points at the very beginning was that casein can increase inflammation and be linked to liver cancer.
And that's actually true.
So, man, in order to get some protein, you're getting casein, which has been pasteurized.
You're getting fat in the wrong form.
You're getting high fructose corn syrup.
I could probably formulate a better post-workout drink using MCT oil, like bulletproof low-toxin chocolate maybe.
You could use honey even.
Like raw honey has a different effect than, say, normal sugar does, and normal sugar has a different effect than high-fructose corn syrup.
And this is not like any kind of weird, you know, conspiracy theory thing.
This is documented in agricultural science.
Just no one in biochemistry that I know of tends to read the studies on mycotoxins because they're all like off in agriculture land instead of in health land.
So you're saying that 98% of corn has this mycotoxin in it and it's not killed by any production process and turning it into bread or turning it into cornbread or tortillas or anything like that?
It's a myco, not micro, M-Y-C-O, like as in myco, like mushroom derived.
Yeah, like my cells, right.
And some of it is killed.
We've heard of these mycotoxins before.
Aflatoxin, everyone knows that's a bad one in peanuts.
Or penicillin, like a tiny little capsule of penicillin, which is just mold extract, has this profound effect on Your body, right?
Well, there's other stuff out there that has a profound effect on your body at a parts per million level.
And I don't know if this year 98% of corn is.
That's the maximum I found in my data.
But at least a third, almost every year in the U.S., of corn, of dried corn product that's out there, like animal feed, like masa, like corn tortillas, has stuff in it.
And fusario makes three classes of toxins that mess with your brain and with your hormones and with your protein formation.
And that's why on the bulletproof diet, I look first at macronutrients and then I look at anti-nutrients like mycotoxins and heterocyclic amines and all the others.
And you've got to be a little careful in your food.
If you want to like really kick ass and be mentally focused all the time, these are the things that get in there and muck with your head.
Some people are more sensitive than others, but if you reduce the level of these things in your diet, you think better.
And that's one reason you can do the bulletproof diet in the morning.
All you're drinking with bulletproof intermittent fasting is low-toxin coffee, low-toxin butter, and toxin-free MCT oil.
You do that, you had nothing messing with your head, only good stuff, no bad stuff.
And the links between heart disease and cancer and mycotoxins are very well established.
In fact, a WHO researcher who's written the most research of anyone on mycotoxins has a whole book this thick called Fungal Bionics, where he cites 900 different studies about the links between atherosclerosis and cancer.
That's heart disease.
Direct quote from this author.
He says, there is a known cause of atherosclerosis, and it is mycotoxins.
Pig farmers know this.
They know that if they get these grains that have mold growing in them, they have test kits they can buy where they test the grain because they know they feed too much grain to the pigs, the pigs will get lesions in their arteries, or the pigs will lose their litter before they can deliver it.
But what they do is they wait till the pigs are far enough along, then they feed the cheaper toxic grain to the pigs or the cows, and that fattens them up faster, and it costs less money, and the fact that some of that stuff is still in the meat, your problem.
If you're not eating grass-fed steak, you're making a mistake.
And that's one of the reasons, you go on a vegan diet.
If you're eating really good quality, non-moldy vegan food, you're going to get less toxins.
Like you compare vegan or vegetarian versus standard industrial meat-based meat and hydrogenated fat and MSG diet.
Man, I would rather be a vegan than a standard American diet any day of the week.
The problem is that if I want to, for many, many years, have the highest energy levels, the most focus, with the least amount of effort, you're not going to be able to achieve that on the vegan diet.
And I don't think you'll hit your very top level of performance as 100% vegan.
You could probably be mostly vegan, but you're going to be missing out on some things over time.
There's pretty good research on my site about that.
Well, you know, there's a lot of people that tell you how much it changed their life, but my point with a lot of those people is that generally, and it's not all, but generally they come from a really bad diet and then they start eating vegetables and they feel better.
Well, of course you're going to feel better.
But I think your point really does make a lot of sense as to what is the optimum way to do it.
This is all stuff that I'd never heard before.
I'd never heard that all meat has some sort of low-level.
When they hang meat to let it age, what they're doing is they're letting basically mold and bacteria in the environment work on the meat.
Well, the links between those molds and human health are not so good.
Think about it.
This is a mold that likes to eat meat.
And Joe, you and me are made out of meat.
So the incidence of low-level fungal infections, like I don't eat dry-age meat that's cooked really rare because there's still active fungus that likes to eat what I'm made out of in there.
Yeah, and then, you know, dry-aged meat tastes amazing.
I'm not going to even say that it's bad, but the difference in how dry-aged meat makes your brain feel versus fresh meat that's been frozen right away and then defrosted and cooked, you will feel like a different human being when you eat that stuff.
It's not about the killing, although it can kill parasites.
Like they use that in sushi.
You freeze sushi for a while at very low temperatures to kill parasites.
What's going on is you're preventing the formation of these basically psychoactive compounds that form in addition to those nice yummy flavors that come from the yeast and the fungus sending tendrils into the meat.
So that nice kind of soft, mushy, dry edge meat, even if it's grass-fed, it has health impacts, including cardiovascular impacts that are not present for fresh meat that was frozen.
In fact, Wired magazine just published this whole thing.
Like, oh, we've been focusing on the genome of the bacteria in the gut, and we just noticed there's just as much fungus growing in your gut as there is bacteria, and we don't know anything about it.
So when you go to a restaurant, what kind of stuff you'd rather...
A lot of fish is farmed fish.
Like that weird salmon where they actually change the color of the flesh to try to When you get these prison bitch salmon, the ones that you buy in the supermarket, they have like this pale flesh.
I mean, it's fucked up enough that you catch them with nets, you know, and just swoop through an entire environment and kill everything and rope it up.
That's fucked up enough.
But at least those are wild.
They were wild until that moment and then they got jacked.
But to just live in this fucking kiddie pond while they throw this bullshit on top of you and that's all you have to eat.
Just seems fucking stupid.
I think there's certain things that people do to animals that are really arrogant.
So we didn't talk about this, but like, I'm a geek.
Like, I'm a vice president at a computer internet security company, like Silicon Valley guy.
And yeah, we have like problems with space junk, serious problems where they map it all out and there's like storms where like little nuts from like a Chinese rocket from 40 years ago or whatever is spinning around, probably not 40 years.
The military is so crazy that in the 60s when they first started thinking about going to the moon, they did a thing called Operation Starfish Prime, where they shot a nuclear bomb up into the atmosphere and blew it up.
There's an animated GIF file, or maybe it's a video that shows all of the...
On the globe, it shows you a map of the world and it shows all of the nuclear explosions in their correct order that have taken place, all the tests, and it's like, boom.
Lance Armstrong uses this on the Tour de France in order to recover faster.
Like you recover from injuries faster when you're grounded.
And there's an electrical thing you can measure that's happening there.
There's two effects.
One is you build up a charge on your body and you can just pick this up with a meter.
We're walking around indoors.
We're wearing shoes, like rubber shoes all the time.
So we basically, just the air over our skin builds up a static charge.
When you get, you know, a spark, like in the desert, you touch the Most static electricity.
That's an extreme example of it.
But our bodies kind of work like big batteries.
Like we have different electrical fields and different electrical potentials inside the body.
So when you spend about 20 minutes walking in grass barefoot or laying on earthing mats, being on the beach, what you're doing is you're dropping the extra charge that's built up over time.
I wish marijuana was legal to grow because I went to a grow room once and this dude had this, and he was illegal, it was a legal setup.
I go into this back room and he's got this room larger than this room and it's filled with these really happy cannabis plants and they have they've been taken care of with the perfect fertilizer and the perfect soil composition and there's misters that are going off constantly and they're really healthy and vibrant and you walk into that room and you feel them and it sounds like hippie bullshit but I wasn't even high.
I walked in that room stone cold sober and I was like whoa.
This is like they have a frequency.
It's an intangible thing that I sense.
I can feel it, but I wouldn't know how to describe what it's doing.
So I'm an advisor to this company called the Heart Math Institute.
And HeartMath makes a heart rate variability training device.
These guys are Silicon Valley geeks.
They spent 20 years looking at meditation and how you quantify meditation, like what's going on in the body.
And it turns out, by looking at the spacing between your heartbeats, you can totally change the way your brain works and the way your body works.
And in the course of their research, they went out and they did some really heavy-duty science.
And there's actually a magnetic field around your heart.
It's tipped at like a 12-degree angle this way.
It's shaped like a torus, like a donut.
And they know which direction the fields move on it and everything.
So it's the most electrically active part of your body is your heart.
And get this.
When a human walks into a stall with a horse before they touch the horse, the horse's heart rate variability will change to match the humans.
We have a field effect on the people around us.
And it's an electromagnetic field that's heart-based.
And we can measure it.
People get pissed off when they hear this and then they just think everything I say is crap.
It's not.
A, I know the scientists who are behind this.
And B, I'm a certified heart math executive coach.
Like I use this to take people who are super high performers, who are tweaking because of their stress, and to teach them to consciously basically use their prefrontal cortex, their human, most evolved part of the brain, to train and take control of the reptilian brain.
And when you do that, there's measurable changes in the spacing of your heartbeats, and there's a change in the field around your heart as well.
When you do that, that's what you're feeling there.
Someone's pissed off of you, they could not say a word, and you might not even see their face, but you just have a feeling.
In fact, one of my buddies is a special forces guy.
And he actually wasn't technically, he trained special forces guys.
He was a long-range patrol officer guy.
And he told me one day, he said, Dave, what we learned out in the field, he said, if you're in someone's sights, you can feel it.
He said, if someone's got a gun pointed at you, your body heats up.
Like, literally, how the heck could this be possible?
But the bottom line is we have all sorts of weird senses.
We also know if we hook you up, Joe, to like weird galvanic skin response sensors, and then you're sitting there, if someone's staring at you, we'll be able to measure your body responding to the stare even if they're staring at your back.
Like there's all kinds of crazy stuff in our bodies we haven't even really explored yet.
I had all the symptoms of Asperger's syndrome until I was in my mid-20s, like obsessive, compulsive disorder, oppositional, defiant disorder.
I didn't know anyone's name.
Like, I wouldn't make eye contact, all that kind of stuff.
I stuttered a little bit.
And I've done a lot of work with the autism community.
In fact, one of my goals in this book that I'm writing, the Better Baby book that comes out in January, is to have less kids with autism because you can handle neurological inflammation even in the womb.
So there's less likelihood of it happening later.
What we can do, though, is we can take a fully functioning, neurologically functioning adult, and we can hit them with really strong magnets in their head, and we can turn on autistic skills in non-autistic people.
So you can suddenly draw the most amazing thing ever when you have a 10-ton magnet focused on your head.
Yeah, and they're doing this like in neuroscience laboratories right now.
Like they have this really focused thing that shines a magnet and it activates a specific part of your brain.
You can even do it to some extent with the stuff I have in my backpack, like the cerebroelectrical stimulation or TDCS.
You can run a current through part of your brain and turn it on.
It wasn't turned on before, and as long as there's electricity there, it's turned on.
So I think what's going on here is the wiring and autistic kids, they have chronic neurological inflammation that's environmentally mediated, and they usually have problems with the biology in their gut, too.
So what we can do, though, is we can learn, okay, these autistic kids have these skills.
All of us have these skills too.
They're just not trained and they're not turned on.
If you use technology, you can train your brain to do crazy stuff in very short periods of time.
So you can gain these kind of powers without having to give up the ability to socialize, for instance.
It's a special skill, but I'll bet you that if we took six months and we used those magnets and things like that, we can explore how his brain works and teach your brain to do the same thing.
There's a lot of things out there that are way teachable that you wouldn't think are.
When I say 10 tons, I mean like this is a 10-ton thing that changes it.
And there's various articles from neuroscientists.
They went in, they did the test, and they drew the most amazing artwork.
Or in the military, they do other things like that, more with the electricity.
But they'll say, oh, look, this person got a stimulation here, and they went through the shooting stimulation, and they killed everyone completely, whereas the last time they had no skills at all.
Myelination makes a nerve carry electrical signals 3,000 times faster than a non-myelinated nerve.
So first you have to form the synapse, which is called synaptogenesis, and you do that through relatively short amounts of practice.
You know, the first time you learn Well, the first time you learned to balance on your bike, right?
Like you've learned how to do it.
It doesn't take long.
From then on, though, to get it so it's just automatic, that's what repetition does.
And you've had a lot of pro sports guys in here.
They talk about 10,000 times and repetition.
The reason 10,000 times works is because you're myelinating.
But here's the thing, what's myelin made out of?
Fat, cholesterol, choline.
So what you need to do is you need to be cranking up on those kinds of foods.
And if you're going to be on a low fat or a vegan diet that doesn't have any of the saturated fats and is low in choline, you're probably going to have a harder time myelinating.
It's going to be harder for your brain to do what it was meant to do.
So you've got to have grass-fed meat, and you've got to have it from some sort of a reputable source where you know that they're not feeding any antibiotics.
I mean, I have like my upgraded whey protein and collagen powder and like all kinds of stuff that, I mean, I should look like I'm carrying kilos of random stuff.
But here's the thing: like, FedEx and UPS deliver everywhere.
It's cheaper to buy grass-fed meat online than it is to buy a decent cut of meat in your grocery store.
Like, if you're going to buy grass-fed hamburger from some of the best places on earth, like I've tested different places on my site, like I have a whole series about grass-fed beef, you can get it for five bucks a pound.
So it's basically spitting out free radicals, and then you try and build cell walls and hormones out of this fat, and your body's like, how do I do that?
Then again, if someone really believed in the blessing, maybe they would impart some sort of an energy into the thing.
That sounds ridiculous, but what we were talking about before, about people literally having some sort of an environmental effect, some sort of an effect on all the people around them.
As long as it's been blessed, like it's approved for kosher, but it's even worse because it's like the cows go in and they just like rip their throat out with like a rod.
And it's one of the things where people think that, oh, you know, Dave's the opposite of a vegan.
I'm like, no, I care a lot about the quality of the animals I eat and the quality of the food I eat, but I also care about the quality of my life and what I'm going to do with it.
And if I'm slowing myself down by eating inappropriate foods, there's also another thing we've got to talk about, talk about animal suffering.
I'm in Tibet, right?
I spent like a couple months, actually three months, walking around Asia, visiting monasteries and stuff.
And I went to this monastery, the vegan vegetarian diet for, actually I was vegan for like 10 days.
I'm farting like a machine the whole time.
And then afterwards, I go to another monastery in Lhasa.
And there's this giant yak-skin on the prayer pole in the middle of the monastery.
And so I asked the head llama guy, I said, okay, like, you're a hypocrite.
Like, you say no killing, and you've got a dead animal hanging on your prayer pole.
Like, what's the deal?
And he just looked at me and the way like Buddhist monks kind of do, he just kind of laughed and he said, oh, one death feeds everyone.
And then he walked away.
Like, that was his whole thing.
And I thought about that.
If I eat two pounds of grass-fed beef every day for a year, I kill 0.7 animals in the entire food chain.
If I'm vegan and I eat soy nuggets, every bowl of soy nuggets is killing hundreds of animals because the tractor goes through and cuts down the soy, the soy.
We're not even talking about what it did to the soil microbes, but it cuts down all the soy.
It chops up the bunnies and their cute little faces and the turtles and the grasshoppers and the worms and all the other stuff there.
And basically, you look at the number of animals killed to bring you a bowl of grain.
It's way in excess of what grass-fed beef does.
The vegan argument is, well, there is enough grass-fed beef for everyone.
I'm like, yeah, that's because people don't ask for it.
You ask for it.
We'll turn the golf courses into basically grass-fed beef manufacturing plants.
There's plenty of them out there to do that, by the way.
And those are the people who are choline dominant.
But here's the kicker.
You get those people to take anoracetam, like the stuff I've got on my site.
Anoracetam uses up extra choline.
So that's an interesting way of using a smart drug.
And this is actually a drug, not a natural substance, but it's one that'll bring your choline levels down, which means you can benefit from the other stuff that's in alpha brain, but you also get this boost from the other type of nootropic.
When I was really focused on getting my health all the way where I wanted it, before I was all the way where I am, I did 187 pills a day for several months.
And we eat all the muscles in the animal, but in the old days, your mom would boil the chicken and eat all the cartilage and all that.
So I actually carry gelatin and collagen on the site because when people eat that stuff, their joints get healthier.
And there's another thing, this whole electrical part of the body is not well known, but you know all those acupuncture meridian points and things like that?
Well, electricity flows through your skin, not just in your nerves.
And you need collagen in your skin in order to bring the water into the skin so you can carry electricity efficiently.
So when you eat enough collagen in the form of gelatin, NOx blocks, whatever, I have grass-fed gelatin that I use.
In fact, like, next week I'll have a listing for the best kind of it.
I've been exploring collagen for years.
So you can take straight collagen, you can take straight gelatin, and it's just a question of basically how you want it to taste and how you want it to be absorbed into your food.
But the old days, we would make like soup from bones.
It's too much work.
So what you do now is you take a couple scoops of collagen powder and you just put it in your smoothie or put it in your soup and you've got all the benefits of bone broth with none of the trouble.
It's one of those things that we used to fight for 100 years ago because you had to get enough of it and it was one of the ways of using the whole animal.
So in your opinion, and with all those things that you've researched, what you've found is that you can't even just not even, like, eggs is not good enough.
Fish is not good enough.
Like, You need animals, you need mammals, you need cows and sheep.
People are not like making protests in front of stores that sell raid ant killing.
They don't give a fuck about ants because they're too small.
It's like we have a thing.
You could take an ant, like you find an ant on your counter, do it with your finger, and do that, and you just flick it on the ground like it went away.
You can't do that to a rat.
You can't hit a rat with a hammer and then just throw it on the floor.
There's like five bites of meat on a whole guinea pig, and it doesn't taste very good, the bites you can get, and the rest of it's just like bones and skin.
So it's two of the medium chains, the ones that are most responsible for losing weight and for cognitive function, where that's all that's in there and has no flavor.
And you have your whole story is up there of how you, so for folks that don't have the patience to go and listen to this podcast again, there's a fuckload of information on this site as well as not just the upgraded MCT oil, you've got upgraded coffee, everything's upgraded.
Like, I'm looking at the whole process of making something and how do you make that process as good as it can be?
Like my background, I really am a computer hacker.
Like I have studied computer science.
I work in computer security.
I'm not actively a hacker like I'm an executive, but like I understand the mindset of changing a system to get the outcome you want.
It turns out like to make the coffee, the problem was actually how the beans get turned into green coffee.
That's where most of the problems happen.
So I went through, I learned all about all this stuff from multiple disciplines, pulled it all together, and said, what if I created this new process for making coffee that didn't have the toxins in it?
And you look at that, we're about done with a study where we're getting advice from Stanford University on the cognitive function of this coffee.
So we're comparing normal coffee versus this upgraded coffee to show what it does to your response time and your attention.
And we don't have enough results to be statistically significant yet.
We're still recruiting people.
The results I have say, yeah, it works.
So, it's like this is real stuff.
And every step of the way, when you create a food, tells you how the food's going to make you perform.
And what I'm trying to do is help people understand, like, if for one day they can just have the best day ever where their energy and their focus and everything is super clear, and they just feel like a great golden god.
If you do that one time, you know you're capable of it, and you can start working towards that.
But most people I know have felt like crap without knowing it most of their life.
They've never had a wonderful day.
Once you have that day, you can learn how to kick more ass repeatedly.
So it's like, get all the crap out of the day.
Just do it right for a week and just see what can happen.
You look at the comments on my blog.
Like, people, they do this.
It takes like six weeks.
It's not that hard to do.
And all of a sudden, like, you know, you have twice the energy you had before.
Like, I'm 40, and the oldest computer guys are like 65, right?
So certainly we've talked for years about this, and there's, you know, the whole cyberpunk thing, which I admit I was a part of, you know, mirrored sunglasses and stuff like that.
But I'm one of the early guys.
Like, a lot of the Russians, the Russian space program did a lot of this stuff.
Like, this is a device.
This is called an older one, but it's the only one you can get that does programming where you can pick the frequency.
But I'll run a current across my brain.
This is actively the same thing you do to a computer.
When you do that, you can put yourself in the gamma state that's really hard to get into.
Gamma state is actually a state where the Dalai Lama just announced a cash reward for anyone who could help him get into a gamma state in less than four hours, because that's how long it takes him.
He's looking for neuroscience ways to do it.
So literally, you stick these things on your forehead.
It's not really a sound wave with turbosonic, but it is a speaker mechanism.
You you've seen like a woofer, like a heavy-duty subwoofer and it goes doom, doom, doom, you know.
What's going on there is they took the sound baffles off, but they left the the speaker coil.
So it moves you up using that really efficient way of moving that a speaker uses.
So it's very precise.
The one that I have that costs 10% as much to make it within reach for the normal person, it uses a motor, so it's louder, but it has exactly the same up and down vibration that the turbosonic would have.
And there's another brand called PowerPlade out there, and they're all based on very similar principles.
And that's that when you vibrate the body like that, you're triggering something called piezoelectric signals in the bones, so it increases bone density.
Your muscles have to keep tensing and releasing, tensing and releasing, so you actually can build muscle on those, especially if you hold a kettlebell, just hold it out like this, like all of a sudden 30 times a second, you're doing this.
And I hate to say it, this is like the adult version of the shake weight, but it's powered and it seriously works.
And the final thing you get from this has to do with lymphatic circulation in the body.
So we have this whole waste elimination system called your lymph system.
And the way the lymph moves is you have to move your body.
And this is why people say, oh, you have to move.
Movement is so important for you.
Movement's important because it moves lymph.
It's not because it burns calories or doesn't burn calories.
It burns calories, but it doesn't make you lose weight.
Like compared to, say, a short high-intensity interval will make you lose more weight than going for a walk that burns more calories than the high-intensity interval.
It's a hormonal effect you're getting.
This is like Dr. Doug McDuff's work, sorry, McGuff's work, from Body by Science.
Like there's definitely enormous loads of research there about caloric consumption from exercise and diet, and they don't line up for weight loss.
They just, in fact, yeah, I have a really good blog post about that.
In fact, the blog post is called It's Not the Calories Stupid, and it was in response to a New York Times piece where they actually wrote, It's the Calories Stupid, even though the study that they'd written about showed it wasn't the calories.
Like different people ate the same amount of calories and gained different amounts of fat.
Like, how did that happen?
But on the vibration plate, of course, you're burning energy, but you're moving all the lymphatic fluids in the body, and your microcapillaries are getting stimulated too.
Like, parts of you get shaken that might not normally get circulation.
So you typically feel like a burst of energy when you're done with it.
And you tend to slim down.
Like, I noticed, like, especially if you have inflammation going on, I'm still, because of my health background, I still, I get inflamed.
I eat the wrong stuff.
I puff up.
You do that, and it helps you to dump the extra inflammation.
So it's amazing detox plus exercise plus general stimulation of your body all at once.
Like for 15 minutes a day, it's a total bargain just in terms of time spent, whether it's on a turbosonic or the bulletproof vibe.
They both achieve the same kind of goals.
But I'll tell you flat out, you've got the Cadillac or the Mercedes of them.
And then when it really goes, when it's really going fast, for folks who've never tried it before, if you're anywhere near Venice, whoops, I lost one of my fucking Frankenstein lobes.
If you're anywhere near Venice, the Float Lab has it.
Crash is the one who sold me mine.
He's the fucking mad scientist, ladies and gentlemen.
They're giving me an updated tank, ladies and gentlemen.
There's a new tank that Crash has created.
It's even better.
He's a mad scientist.
He's a crazy man.
But he runs the Float Lab, the best isolation tank.
In fact, it's one of those technologies, and there's a whole bunch of them out there that allows the prefrontal cortex, like the human part of your brain that you think of as you, to become aware of that really fast reptilian brain that runs circles around you.
You can't even see it happening until you get rid of all the noise.
And when you get into that flow tank, all of a sudden, like you do that personal exploration, you can do amazing things there.
This is when you hook electrodes up to your head and you get the signal from your brain.
This is profound stuff.
It's on par with a flow tank.
In fact, I've had my own EEG since 1998.
Whoa.
Like at home because it's that impactful.
And what you do there is your brain, it's unable to see itself.
Like your brain can see the whole world around you, but it doesn't have nerves inside itself.
That's why like you see brain surgery, they can take the top off your head and like poke at your brain and it doesn't hurt.
There's no nerves in there.
There's nerves in your arm.
Like you cut your arm, then what's going to happen is, well, there's nerves there and the arm heals relatively quickly.
We get these traumatic brain injuries.
They don't heal very well because the brain doesn't even know it's broken.
So it's incredibly good at the world and incredibly bad at itself.
So what you do is you get the signal from the brain, you play it through an amplifier, it turns it into music and it plays the music back to you.
And when you think about something, the music gets louder.
When You think about something else, the music gets quieter.
So, you can teach the brain to think in a new way.
So, I've done extensive neurofeedback training, and literally, seven days was the equivalent of 40 years of daily Zen practice.
This was really, really hardcore, intense seven days.
It was the hardest thing I've ever done.
It cost me 20 grand.
And I was hooked up to like an $11 million EEG machine for at least half that time.
But, I mean, you want introspection.
When you look at a, when you hear a sound, your brain can't help but optimize itself.
Like, it tells you when you're doing it wrong.
You think of like the meditation path that people are on.
They're like, oh, I meditate this way.
Oh, I did it wrong for five years.
Sorry.
And then they do it over here and they sort of meander.
And then, you know, their teachers tell them, try meditating this way.
Well, what if there was a computer and it lit up the path?
So like on either side of the path, there's like, you know, the sounds get quiet on either side of the path.
All of a sudden, you can do meditative type of things to yourself that would take you years of focused practice.
You can do it in days.
And because synaptogenesis, this part of the brain that makes new synapses, happens within like 20 days, you can totally rewire your head in short, short amounts of time.
He's been doing this for 35 years and he runs a private facility.
By the way, you are getting robbed.
This should be available on every street corner, and it should be in every school, and it should cost about $300.
It would transform society.
The fact that it's $15,000 pisses me off every day, which is why I'm not telling you his name right now, because it would shut his website down anyway.
I mean, I'd already done a lot of work on myself, but I came out of there and like that voice in your head, that thing that gets in your way, it's your bitch when you're done.
Well, you sit there in a dark room with a speaker on either side of your head and eight electrodes glued to your head, and then you do whatever you have to do to make the sound louder and make your score go higher.
And the first three days, you just like your brain's just doing its thing.
And then after that, you have to dig in on like your most, just like in a flow tank.
But when someone in a Prius cuts me off, it pisses me off.
And it's always the Priuses that cut you off.
So I'd, you know, like, you son of a bitch.
And when I'm done with this, I came back.
I'm like, oh, someone in a Prius cut me off.
But zero emotional cost.
All the energy that I used to waste on getting pissed off about stuff that didn't matter completely went back to productivity and like just kicking more ass.
It's amazing what happens when you just teach your brain that you're the boss and you tell your little reptile brain in there to shut the hell up and to do its job to keep you from burning yourself to death or falling off a cliff, but to not be freaking you out the rest of the time for no reason.
I had an experience once when I was on a psychedelic and where I started thinking negative thoughts and the imagery that I was seeing got dark, like black and green, and it started folding into itself.
And it looked bad.
It looked like rot, like something was going.
And then I realized it and I forced myself to relax and let go and think positive.
And then it all, boom, it blossomed in front of me like this incredibly beautiful geometric flower just blossomed out of it.
And it was like a lesson to me of the actual power of thinking.
That if you do think negative, it's not if you think negative and do nothing, nothing goes wrong.
No, if you think negative, you're getting negative energy in your life.
When people realize the effect of their negative emotions, like, you know, if I was sitting here right now and I was thinking, you know, this Joe guy's a total prick.
I'm just glad I'm here.
Or, you know, even if I was acting all nice, but I was thinking really negative things about you, like, it would cost me more than to sit here and be like, this is fucking cool stuff to be talking about.
Have you ever done an interview with someone and they were like kind of douchey and totally felt this weird feeling where they were trying to be nice to you?
And it's one of those things where your brain's a muscle, you work it out.
What I found is using electronics like that, you can work out just the right parts.
The heart rate variability, when you do that, you work out alpha in the front of the brain, and you live longer, you perform better.
You've got all kinds of sports athletes now using heart rate variability to look at over-training states.
If you're over-trained, your body gets weaker.
But here's the weird thing as a coach, like who uses this with my clients.
I hook them up to the M-wave.
It's a little clip on their ear.
It just looks at the space between their heartbeats.
And I tell them, make the light turn green on this little machine.
And they're like, how do I do it?
So breathe in and breathe out.
It's pretty easy.
Five seconds in, five seconds out.
It turns green.
Great, you got that.
Let's turn up to the next one.
And I say, now you got to focus on your heart.
Okay, this is ridiculous.
I'm not that much of a hip yet.
Focus on your heart and breathe into your heart.
And like, really?
I'm like, yeah, just do it.
Okay, and light doesn't exactly turn green.
I'm like, great.
Breathe in through your heart.
Now think about puppies.
And the damn light turns green.
Okay, I don't like it that the light turns green, but they have to think of something that makes them go, aw, like their firstborn, you know, the way their mom hugs them, whatever it is.
When you consciously bring that thought in and that feeling in, it changes the way your heart beats.
And you can see it on a little green light.
There's no question about the fact that it changed your physiology when you changed what you were thinking about.
You can see it.
And that shows you how much power your thinking has over your physical body.
And when you do that, and you do that regularly for about six weeks, 10 minutes a day, you build the synapses for being happy because that's what you're teaching yourself to consciously do.
And when you're done, you can walk into a meeting where there's some asshole yelling at you, and you realize you're starting to get stressed and you want to kill the guy.
And you're like, I'm just going to turn on happy.
You still care that he's yelling at you.
You're still going to do what you're going to do, but you're totally in control instead of like the part of you that's like, I'm going to kill this guy now.
Like, no, no, I'm going to kill the guy just the right time.
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You know, my issue with the people that say you shouldn't kill animals is guess what?
There's a responsibility at the top of the food chain, ladies and gentlemen.
You're going to have to either castrate all the males, you're going to have to control population somehow, you have to pin them up, you're going to have to do something because you can't just have no predators.
And if you do have all these game animals wandering around like deer and cows, and if there's a giant surplus of them because no one's eating them anymore, you're going to have predators.
We're going to be babysitting all the cows to the rest of time.
We're going to have to fucking figure out how to manage cow societies.
They don't live forever if you don't eat them, ladies and gentlemen.
I agree that factory farming is disgusting and horrible and horrific, but cows don't live forever and they're delicious.
And there's a reason why they taste so good is because something has to fucking die for something to taste that good.
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Oh, I also, for my boy John Rollo, my friend, if you're anywhere near Baltimore, Maryland, on Saturday, October 20th, this Saturday, my friend John Rollo is running something called Showgun Fights.
And he's got Frankie Lester versus Calabar as the main event.
There's 11 total fights.
Henzo Gracie is going to be there.
Donald Cowboy Ceroni is going to be there.
And Big Dan Mergliata is going to be one of the refs.
He's a great guy and a very good ref as well.
And there's usually about 5,000 people at these events.
So if you want to get tickets, you've got to jump on that shit.
They're really fun to watch.
If you've never been to a regional show, a lot of the guys you see in these shows, like Shogun Fights, are guys you will see one day in the UFC.
That's absolutely their goal.
And there's going to be a lot of talented fighters on this card.
And it's a really good opportunity to see fights alive and to catch people early in their career that who knows?
You might see somebody from this card.
They might win a title one day.
I mean, it's very possible.
There's some really high-level talent, and John Rollo is a good buddy of mine, and he's one of Henzo Gracie's black belts.
So he's a very good judge of talent.
And this is his promotion.
So for my boy, John Rollo, go check out Showgun Fights, ladies and gentlemen.
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Thank you to everybody that listens to this podcast.
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Thanks to all the cool people that I run into out there in the field, in the wilds of the world.