Abby Martin, David Seaman, and Dell Cameron expose the NDAA’s Section 1021, allowing indefinite detention without trial—signed by Obama despite prior veto threats—while linking it to drone strike atrocities like "double-tap" attacks with a 2% success rate. They dissect Monsanto’s patented Terminator seeds, superweeds, and Indian farmer suicides tied to dependency, alongside pharmaceutical overuse and Bradley Manning’s 900-day solitary confinement under NDAA laws. Seaman’s Florida congressional bid (Nov. 4, 2014) challenges corporate-funded politics, but Rogan muses on surveillance eroding privacy, hinting at a future where dissent is crushed by data—unless grassroots resistance like theirs prevails. [Automatically generated summary]
All right, ladies and gentlemen, this podcast, we're going to try to keep it as light on the gloom and doom as possible because the subject matter is absolutely fucking hideous.
First of all, thank you guys for enduring those commercials.
This is the least professional piece of broadcasting you'll ever be a part of.
We're trying to be as minimalized and as easily dismissed as we can.
So we're just going to do bad stuff from here on out.
Yeah, I've decided to lay low.
There's too much bad information out there.
The more I read about what's going on, the more you read about the government, the more you read about corruption and censorship and what's really going on behind the scenes.
It's fucking depressing.
Do you guys feel that?
Who I'm talking to is Abby Martin, David Seaman, and I'm sorry, David's.
You guys are all very young, and you're all very idealistic.
You're all very, you're the new breed of journalists.
And we're seeing this because of what's going on, because there's so much censorship, and because CNN and Fox News, they've gotten to be what you've got to think of as untrustworthy sources.
For the simple fact that they don't concentrate on everything.
There's a lot of shit that's really important that they don't cover.
But meanwhile, they'll find the time to cover ridiculous shit.
They'll find the time to cover some nonsense celebrity Kim Kardashian Kanye West story.
They'll find that time.
They'll fit it in.
But they won't find the time to discuss the NDAA.
They won't find the time to discuss these buildings that they're making in Utah where they're going to store everybody's information.
They need to be discussing this.
That's what journalism is supposed to be for.
Everyone knows this now.
And because of you guys, because of this new breed of young kids who grew up with the internet, who grew up with this massive access to information.
And this model that they've got in place for how shit runs is whack.
And it's not going to work.
It's not going to work.
It's like almost like a religious model.
It's like you have to believe in it as a religion and you have to trust the government in full faith for it to work at all.
And the only way they're actually getting people to go along with that is by connecting it to religion.
They connect it to the really simple-minded folks.
That whole God and government thing and God is on our side.
It really does become sort of a religious variable.
It becomes like the reason why it's working is because we've got this weird wacky thing in us.
We're willing to believe shit that doesn't make any sense.
And there's a lot of you guys that are coming up that aren't doing that.
You're standing up and you're saying, the information that you're getting is not exactly what's happening.
Yeah, during the deregulation era when we had, you know, it went from like 60 companies to now five corporations control everything that you see and read in the mainstream.
General Electric, I mean, the biggest fucking weapons contractor owns MSNBC, NBC.
Well, and the fact that there's ads running during news programs itself, like, I mean, it takes it away from like the viewers aren't really the customers anymore.
The ad agencies are, and the viewers, we're more of a part of like a product because they're selling our, you know, the fact that we're viewing to so you think, I mean, well, that would be actually a good way to allocate government funds, right?
Wouldn't it be to have like an independent news source that was funded completely and totally by tax dollars and had nothing to do with any commercials whatsoever?
many people have actually like read a bill how many people have actually it's it's And that's why they need broadcasters that are actually going to read it and relay the information accurately.
Some of the networks don't appear to be The networks that are supposedly operating for profit are making decisions that are against their own commercial interests to instead promote propaganda, which is worrying.
And why wasn't that covered?
WikiLeaks is a massive story in every possible way.
Well, that's where it gets really scary is when it surpasses the money-making, like the PayPal thing when they tried to block funds to Bradley Manning.
And you're like, you're working against your interest to make money to try to fucking promote some sort of government narrative or lock.
So it pays for the troops' salaries and all of our spending overseas and various military things.
In this last year's bill in 2011, they snuck in a provision, Section 1021, which appears to allow for the imprisonment without trial of American citizens on suspicion alone.
And that's what has caused all of the uproar.
Why was this thing snuck in as something that they pretty much need to pass?
Why did Obama claim that he wanted to veto it, and then he withdrew his veto threat and signed it into law at like 11.30 p.m. on New Year's Eve when nobody was paying attention?
And then I said it's like the sneakiest move I've ever seen in my lifetime from a president, the single sneakiest move.
And then he issues a signing statement saying, I did it.
I had reservations about it, but I'm not going to use it.
And you're like, oh, okay, maybe he gets it.
Maybe he just had to sign it for some reason that we don't know about.
And then his lawyers in court have tried incredibly ferociously to hang on to this power.
And we've seen two rounds of that now, and it's gotten very serious.
I think the next stop, I mean, it already went through a three-judge panel in the appeals court, and they ruled in his favor.
So we're getting pretty close to the Supreme Court at this point.
I think they have to see another, there's another round of something that the appeals court can go through.
But it's scary that Obama claims he doesn't want this, and yet his lawyers are working very diligently to make sure that he has it.
It appears to me that either they know something that we don't know, or there is a systematic sort of a psychosis involved in governing people.
And when you're in a position where you have the power to tell people what to do, it does not seem like a natural position.
And it seems like this us versus them mentality that can come about it, it gets to a point where they're willing to sacrifice lives of people that are supposed to be on their team.
They're willing to do that in order to push their agenda.
When you hear about stuff like that, and you hear about the false flag events and the planned false flag of act false flag event that they were going to do in Iran, what about Operation Northwoods in the 60s?
I think leadership has become kind of cannibalistic, where they're like, okay, we need to keep you safe, but in order to do that, we have to strip you of your rights.
It's like you're destroying the things that the terrorists supposedly hate us for.
You're taking away our core freedoms and turning us into a Middle Eastern regime.
I think anything, like, become, you can rationalize anything, you know, for them as long as it's, like, supporting the business interests of the United States as opposed to anything else.
Like, I think that they're, that's one of their majority.
These people are hopped up on episodes of Homeland and they believe their own internal memos that people like me, journalists and independent politicians who don't side with one party, and people who are fucking college students who have backpacks and little cameras to record stuff, that those people are potential terrorists.
No, Bill Maher fucking pulled out his giant checkbook, gave a million dollars to Obama's fucking super PAC, dude.
Bill Maher's totally towing the line.
I mean, it's sad.
You know, you can fall in line with so much of what he says, and at the end of the day, he's just like, and that's why you need to donate money to Obama.
The reason that the dialogue is not inserted in the mainstream, because the problem with the media, other than, of course, the fact that it's controlled by corporations, is that it's partisan.
So it's divide and conquer.
I mean, they bring up these really divisive issues that no one can agree on in a country of 380 million people just to keep us fighting when really we can all agree on the huge issues that we don't want to fucking invade the entire planet and spend, you know, just waste millions and trillions of dollars by killing people.
I mean, I think we can all agree on those things, but they like to keep us fighting with each other.
And so you have these networks like MSNBC, Fox News, CNN, they're all partisan and they all push these narratives that don't broaden up the scope to undermine the actual rhetoric of the establishment line, which is really, you know, they toe that line to keep people in line.
That's why they pull abortion out of the pocket, because that's something it's not going to be resolved next month or next year.
It's always going to be something where 47 or 48% of the people believe this one thing, and 47 or 48% of the people believe this one thing, and then 2% or 3% don't really give a shit.
I think maybe a lot of conservative politicians don't really want abortion to be illegal because it would take away the one big polarizing issue that they have with their crowds.
Well, in Brazil, I was just in Brazil, and apparently they make iPods and iPhones there as well.
So if you bring one over, like if you're a Brazilian and you have one, they want to make sure that you didn't go and buy an American one and then come over to Brazil.
Because that fucks with their economy because the Brazilian ones are a little bit more expensive.
It's like this thing that the Supreme Court is looking at this fall, the first sale doctrine, where it could challenge your right to resell your iPhone or your car or anything.
Anything that you've bought, you would have to get permission from like, Ford, can I resell this car to this third party now that I no longer want it?
There's an issue with electric cars as well that people aren't taking into consideration.
A lot of people think that they're somehow or another going to be free from karma if they get an electric car.
One of it takes a lot of oil to build and make an electric car.
But two is electric cars run on lithium-ion batteries.
And lithium-ion batteries come from places like the Congo.
And a lot of times they're dug out of the ground by little kids.
And that's just a fucking fact.
And you can use your laptop and your cell phone all day.
But it's very likely that somewhere along the chain, someone was abused.
I mean, literally down to like the most inhuman type thing you do.
Like, you turn someone into a slave, you turn someone into a working slave for you.
You make them do that.
Like, the breakdown of the highest expression of technology that we have available, if you follow its path, at the end of it, is a kid in Africa digging in the ground.
Yeah, and when I talked to Shane Smith from Vice.com, he was breaking down for me in numbers how much more heroin is available now and how easy it is to get.
And it's a direct correlation between the United States being involved with Afghanistan.
That's when it started.
It's like so transparent.
It's just in your face.
There's videos of soldiers walking down poppy fields with machine guns.
And for the soldiers, they must feel like, this is not what I fucking came here for.
You know, I thought I was going over here to fight bad guys.
But he was just telling all the different stories of the people they killed and why they killed them and how their sergeant or whoever it was was gonna give them extra days off if they killed somebody with a knife.
You know, and you hear shit like this, and you're like, "Whoa, like this is..." You know, they've seen the photos of people holding a little kid's head up.
The kid's like naked and he's shot and the guy's smiling next to him like he just shot a deer.
Have you seen that?
Yeah, man, that's our soldiers.
You know, if that's at all possible, even for one guy, we need to hit the brakes on this thing and figure out what the fuck we're doing.
Because it's not just that we're making money.
It's not just someone's making money.
They're making psychos.
They're making people that are probably never going to be the same again.
Look at what they do to some of the inmates at Guantanamo.
They put them into sensory deprivation.
And then this one dude in 2006, he had to see a dentist.
I think his name is Jose Padilla.
And when he was out in the outside world, they put headphones on him and goggles so that he could not see or hear anything.
And he started going into convulsions because his mind is so fucked at this point from no stimulation over a course of like a year or something that he's just totally gone inside.
And when he spoke with his lawyers, he thought that they were interrogators pretending to be lawyers.
So he's like, he's gone.
They can't even let a guy like that go because you've totally fried his mind.
And now if he wasn't before, now he certainly is a fucking psycho.
Well, the media likes to paint these people as like, oh, they're just a few bad apples, you know, London England or whatever the fuck that woman's name was, who's like pointing at the dude with the hood on his face.
And you're like, but Rumsfeld's tort, like, memos circling shit, and he's like, more of this, more of this.
I mean, it's totally fucking systemic in the chain of command.
It's very shocking that that comes back to NDAA because some of the funding for the NDAA covers benefits for veterans.
And so when they're talking about attacking on write-ons, like the indefinite detention section, they're basically holding veterans' benefits and pay for soldiers hostage.
And they're like, you know, we have to pass this through.
Or they're using it as an excuse, like Obama did, like, we have to pass this through.
Otherwise, our veterans, our soldiers aren't going to get paid.
We were talking earlier about how they name bills.
And there's one where it basically makes ISP's internet service providers log all of your activity so that the government, whatever, the FBI could access it if it needed to.
I think it's like a period of two years.
And that's what the bill does.
And what the bill was called, it was like the Children's Act.
What I wanted to say really fast about the NDAA: what's so crazy about it is they have these ride-ons or add-ons, like Section 1021.
And Obama's supporters claim that, well, he was shoved in a corner.
If he didn't sign it, some Republicans would have criticized him as if they're not already criticizing the shit out of him.
Like, if you were to have a President Ron Paul behind that desk or a President Gary Johnson or President Joe Rogan, anybody, you'd be handed that and you would say, no, thanks.
I'm going to veto this until this shit is out of there.
And if the Republicans had an issue with it, you would have gone to the press and said, look, this section cannot be signed into law.
What do they do to them when they get them in office that gets them to behave like this?
Is there something or are they just all full of shit?
Is it they're all full of shit and by the time they get there, it's just they've been so good at being full of shit for so long and they've kept their record clean and they're going to pull off the big position.
I think they're just like, they're acting outside of their mandate as a government, like a lot of the things that they're doing right now.
There's really no, like, it's everything that they're doing is like unconstitutional, and we're just so used to putting up with it.
Like, it's hard to call them.
There's so many, and we're getting like flooded with these bills that are obviously, they're all unconstitutional, and every once in a while they slip one through it.
What that means is they shoot the drones into the building and then they come back like 20 minutes later and shoot again because people have gathered up to get rid of the sick people.
It's strange how it just sort of snuck up on us, too.
You know, it's strange how there was like this disdain for Nixon.
Like he sort of represented an unsavory, dishonest character.
And then, you know, Gerald Ford was kind of bumbling.
And then Ronald Reagan was loved and hated at the same time.
And now people have completely gotten loony on who he was and what he stands for.
And then it goes from there to it starts getting a little shady with Herbert Walker Bush.
A little shady with the fucking former president of CIA running a government.
What's going on?
How's that guy the president?
It was a little weird.
And then it goes from that to Clinton, like, oh, we're back.
Look at this.
We got this guy.
You know, this guy's smart as fuck.
He's a brilliant man.
And he says he's such a charismatic speaker.
And we have prosperity, economic prosperity while he's in office.
So there's a little social disturbances from him getting caught in affairs and stuff like that.
But all in all, a good run.
And then the shit fucking hits the skids.
And then our entire view of what being American changes on September 11th.
From then on, it goes from anger to confusion to you feel like you got tricked.
It goes from anger that America was attacked to confusion as to why are we going over there to years later we're still there and it doesn't make any sense and it has nothing to do with September 11th.
What's so crazy about the 9-11 situation, when you think about it, I interviewed this guy, David Brin, who wrote a book about transparent societies.
And on one of the pages of his book, he was like, let's just, this is years before 9-11.
He's like, this is a hypothetical.
Let's imagine that some terrorist, some terrorists blow up the World Trade Center, take down the Twin Towers.
What would the government do in response?
What would the federal government do?
And he basically outlines the fucking Patriot Act.
He's like, this is what they would do, and this is what it would devolve into.
And then that actually happened.
And this guy has the only solution I've ever heard.
I don't know if it would actually work, because there are a lot of impediments to this working, but the solution is we can't turn off the surveillance.
We can't turn off the technological progress.
What we can do, though, is use it against the government.
Not use it against, but make it a two-way street.
Like, instead of surveillance, he calls it surveillance, where everybody's watching everyone.
So if we were going to have trapwire and surveillance cameras and all this shit, fine, but then we want to also be able to look in there.
And if it's supposed to be to keep us safe, why isn't more people a good thing?
Why isn't crowdsourcing this, why isn't that good?
I think eventually it's inevitable that we're going to get to a position, just technologically speaking, where everyone's going to be accessible to everybody.
That was way more draconian, and then everyone just voted for it because they were in the fucking post-9-11 fervor, and they're like, yeah, dude, we don't want to be unpatriotic.
But it really is such fuel to the deep end conspiracy dudes.
We're obviously talking a conspiracy here.
There's someone for sure is conspiring to control the government, and they don't want it to just strictly be the will of the people.
That's pretty clear.
And the idea that we're going to do these things in other countries and that we're going to do it for national defense reasons, those also seem to be...
That's not really the case.
So how long can you do that?
How long can you run a game like that?
How long do you think that they can keep doing that?
I think the oil issue is really tricky because there's debatable science that shows that oil grows back in some areas.
And if it does, it takes a long time.
And no one's telling us how much is actually left.
There's real questionable information when it comes to how much of a supply is left.
The real question is, though, do you just suck it all out full blast until it runs dry?
And when it runs dry, we will see fucking havoc.
Or is this communicated to the powers that be?
Is there any sort of preparation put in place with harnessing resources, getting universities involved, bringing in scientific guys and saying, look, we've got to fucking do something.
We've got to do it now.
Either we have to figure out some sort of solar panel trains that are going to take everybody around.
He was saying this morning we had this almost exact same conversation last night, and he was talking about how some of the economic control is so intertwined with our need for oil that it's difficult at this point to just transition over.
The people that have control over the way our economy fluctuates, whatever control they can have.
But if oil is a finite resource, if it only has 30 years at this rate, which, by the way, even though oil is consumed less by cars today, there's more cars today.
So even though they get better miles to the gallon, there's more of them.
And it takes oil to make these fucking things.
And it's like we're never going to stop making cars.
People are going to always want a new car.
And people are always going to try to afford a car.
And then they're going to get a car.
And then at a certain point in time, you're going to run out.
And if they just run out, would they be wise enough to have any preparation in place?
You want to talk about a horrific symbiotic connection that we have.
We have, like, as society, the only way you can make this work at all is if you have oil.
The jets that fly people across the country for FedEx envelopes and anything you want to get done overnight and everything that you have that's made out of plastic, almost all of that shit comes from oil.
And if we really are going to pull that stuff out of the ground like that, and we really are just going to hit it full blast until the wheels fall off, that could be what they're preparing for.
If they know that there's only a few years left of this, that could be what they're preparing for.
And that's a terrifying idea.
It's a terrifying idea because I don't know what the alternative is.
If I was in charge and I knew that the fucking wheels were going to fall off and there was nothing we could do and people were going to starve and go fucking full-on zombie in the street, there's going to be no more oil.
Our whole scene in this country is very confusing, but that's not the most confusing aspect of it.
The global warming aspect is terrifying, too.
How many people want to put their head in the sand that there's not something going on with the climate that could potentially damage everything?
There's this weird conservative thing where they go, like a guy in my jiu-jitsu class the other day, this guy is a marine guy, he's a nice guy, but he's like one of those fucking gung-ho dudes.
And someone is talking about global warming, about watching something.
He's like, global warming's a natural process.
And I go, are you a fucking scientist or something?
I mean, how the fuck could anybody be, a 26-year-old guy especially, be so confident that you can say you know what changes the fucking temperature of The earth, which by the way, changes radically over a period of a thousand years to the point where there's places where you used to be able to live and nothing can live in them now.
Like Antarctica at one point in time was nice and juicy and green and had rivers and stuff.
Every time I fucking see somebody throw a cigarette out the window, I'm like, why is that so easy for you to do?
Why is that so easy for you to just, let's just make shit worse?
Why is that so easy?
Because we have a disconnect.
Human beings are, there's something missing in the way human society is currently run because it's all about the end line.
It's all about getting some awesome property, you know, gathering up your toys, living a good life, putting your kids in a good school.
That's like the bottom end line.
And along the way, there's so little emphasis on enjoying the moment.
There's so little emphasis on what you could actually be doing, how you could be feeling, how you could be enjoying this life, and how it is finite.
And it really doesn't.
You have to find out and concentrate on what makes you happy.
How many people get to do that?
There's a small fraction of the people that are traveling with us on the highways and driving with us on the streets and that you run into every day that are actually happy people.
It's a tiny, tiny, tiny number because they're tricked into this cunty, shitty world.
This tricky, fucking, goofy world where there's a thing called the federal bank that's not really federal and it has control over all the money and it's not based on anything and the money's not really based on anything anymore.
It used to be based on gold, but now it's just kind of confidence.
Like you grow up with this shitty fucking system and it's so disheartening.
It's so hard for people that have to pay taxes to this system and have to spend into this system.
It's so hard for them to just keep doing it and be happy.
You know, even if you have a good job that you enjoy and you can't afford to live where you live because you have to pay too much taxes, that's maddening.
That drives people crazy.
Like you can't live in a nice neighborhood.
You have to live in a little bit of a shittier neighborhood because you've got to pay 40% to the government.
That's really important when you're looking at the election.
You see the bullshit it propagates because of momentum.
Some people who are really anti-Romney are trying to push this Sensata story, or however it's pronounced.
It's this company that he used to invest in that outsourced American jobs to Chinese workers.
I think that's like the Cliff Notes version.
And they're trying to make this a huge issue.
So they're just blowing up Twitter feeds with it and asking journalists to cover it.
And the facts are that it's really not that big an issue.
And I'm not saying this is some kind of Republican shill.
I'm an independent.
It's just like it's clearly not a big fucking issue.
He used to invest a small amount of money in this company.
And it'd be like if I owned shares of Microsoft five years ago, and then you came up to me and you're like, dude, the Zoom sucks.
why do I care about that?
I don't own any share of this company.
And if I did, it was a small share.
And how is that the most important thing happening right now?
When you should be going after maybe some of his beliefs, some of his beliefs on the war on drugs, continuing that, his beliefs on we need to increase our defense budget.
I think those are more important issues than some fucking obscure company that he might have invested in a while ago.
They're very nice, but I think it's hostile to think that you have to convert other people to your belief system.
Well, you know, it's nice to be like in a tie and be friendly to people, but if your underlying thing is these people are idiots because they don't believe what I believe.
Since we actually have a record of what he did when he was governor of Massachusetts, we see that he did not try to, for example, imprison or execute women who use the morning after pill.
You see that he didn't do this shit.
So some of the fantasies coming from certain elements of the left, and I hate to use terms like the left and the right because I'm totally against that stuff.
But these fantasies, he was governor.
He was a powerful guy.
He didn't do any of that shit.
He was fairly moderate.
You can attack him for being kind of a heartless person, but he is not nearly as extreme as people think and as he's portraying himself to be.
Mitt Romney said he harvests businesses for profit.
Sounds like the matrix, like harvesting human beings.
But do you know Bain Capital is actually integral into pushing Monsanto into biotech?
So Bain Capital, yeah, Mitt Romney got a million dollars from the ex-CEO of Monsanto when he was starting off at Bain Capital and he got pushed into, you know, he's very tight with Monsanto.
Well, one of our main government's forcing Monsanto's seeds on them and so they're burning them and people are just like, why would poor people burn food?
If you were to go back in time 30 years and tell somebody, 30 years from now, you're going to have to pay $2.50 out of a machine for a bottle of water at a hotel.
And on top of that, most of our wars are going to be fought by robots in the sky.
People would think that you were like schizophrenic.
The water issue is a tough one because some people say, just drink tap water.
It's safe.
Like Penn and Teller had a whole show about it.
But no, it's not really, okay?
Because there's fluoride in it.
And guess what?
Fluoride's poison.
I mean, it's a very low-level poison.
And the idea is that fluoride is supposed to kill the bad things that are on your teeth that give you cavities.
And that's, I guess, maybe that it does that.
You really could get away without it.
You could brush your teeth without using fluoride.
Fluoride is fucking kind of dangerous.
It's not healthy for the body.
And, you know, you drink water with fluoride in it all the time.
There's been studies that show that it could calcify your pineal gland, which is where melatonin and DMT are produced.
Like that fluoride actually can fuck with the chemistry of your brain if you take in a lot of it, especially if you're drinking a lot of tap water every day.
And you think about how much fluoride that could have in it.
I mean, why is it that we accepted this propaganda and we still do, that somehow the fluoridation of water supplies all across the country is good for us?
Yeah, and by the way, it was one of Hitler's ideas to fluoridate the water to keep the population numb.
Like, that was Hitler's idea.
It was much more fluoride, I believe, than we use now.
I think, you know, ours is less sinister.
And I think they did it because someone tricked him into doing it for the idea of dental hygienes.
Like, I had this guy, Dave Asprey, on the show yesterday, and he was talking about how much bullshit is involved in the idea of salt, of having a low-salt diet, and how crazy that is.
And he was talking about how that's just propaganda that's stuck around.
It's going to be like, look, you're going to be connected to people in some other weird way.
It's just the same way you are through your phone in a wireless way.
Someone's going to figure out how to make that something that speaks directly to your synapses.
Yeah, absolutely.
There's going to be something like that.
There's going to be something that allows you either in a clinical setting, it will probably be that way first, and then it's just going to integrate into your life.
You know, they're going to figure out a way.
It's going to be like a goddamn electric toothbrush.
We've been going back and forth on Twitter, and this guy was a believer at one point in time, and then just started looking into all the different things that they had claimed on the show.
And, you know, that show is goofy as fuck, but it's fun.
I feel like I'm tripping on mushrooms when I watch it because it's just so intense.
It's just different cultures all around the world and the juxtaposition between modern day society and ancient cultures and how they're living in the same time.
And the Dragon's Lair video game wasn't really a video game.
Like you would be shown an animated thing and then you'd have to move the lever one way or another way to get away or to get fucked.
Like one or another happened.
Either you moved it the right way and then they would show you a new screen.
Congratulations and you move on to the next round.
Or it would show you you getting hit in the head by a giant boulder and dying.
It was the stupidest video game ever.
But it was like really clumsy because they couldn't quite get it yet.
Now they have full motion 3D graphics that are absolutely insane and you play it.
It's full immersion.
I think that's what it's going to be like the first time you get a chance to peek into somebody else's brain.
They're just going to take a whole just segment of people from all over the world and make it into the one dope ass mixtape.
And you'll put it on and get to live changing lives and then it's going to move from there to the point where we're eventually all going to have the ability to transmit and receive.
Well they've been able to get blurry images from dreams.
They've also been able to get blurry images from memory and they think that they might be able to figure out whether or not people are guilty or not, whether some certain images exist in their memory.
I bet your imagination can put those images in there as well.
And then it becomes the question of whether or not the, I mean, how much power does the imagination have over reality?
Because a lot of people think that, you know, well, imagination is just what's not real, and reality is what is real.
Okay?
You don't want to be too imaginative, Jimmy.
But the reality is that everything that is real is created because of the imagination.
The imagination is the reason why we have tables.
It's the reason why someone invented a rocket.
It's the reason why a computer exists.
Someone had to think it, and then it manifested itself in the real life.
Well, then the imagination becomes a very different thing.
Because then it becomes something that you know through a human and through the human touching things and moving things, manipulating with this idea.
It can change physical reality.
So it's not just an innocuous little thing floating in space.
The imagination, when you sit down and come up with things and create things and actually physically make them, it made those fucking things.
It did it through you.
Then the question becomes, can it do that to everything else as well?
And is it just, do we look at the imagination as like, well, we can control this because I'm a creative person and, you know, I drink a lot of coffee and then I sit down and I do my work.
Is that the case?
Or is the imagination like a force that moves everything in the universe?
We're just doing our little itty-bitty bitty part of it.
Reality might not necessarily be something you knock on.
It might be the tune of the way you look at the world and your perceptions and your expectations can literally change what happens.
That's a hard...
There's like some weird shit that goes on there.
But then there's also the thought, like, if this is a continuous cycle, that's what so many Eastern religions believe, that you will come back, and a lot of them believe you will come back until you get it right.
And you'll keep living the same life over and over again until you do it with zero mistakes.
And you do it as an enlightened being from the time you're a baby to the time you leave.
And then you move on to the next stage of existence.
So we're in this constant endless cycle.
If there was a way to know that you were going to die and come back as a baby, but you had to take a chance, that you were going to be a baby in a good house, how terrifying would that fucking trip be?
You would never want to die.
You would never want to die, because what if you came up with some fucking asshole parents?
What if you came up in some abusive environment?
What if you were born in Ethiopia?
What if you were born in some shit part of the world where you can't get out?
You're fucked.
If we had people that really believed that the only way to ensure your karma, the only way to ensure your safe passage as a child to adulthood is to go through this life being as loving and as careful and as considerate as possible and spreading as much positive energy as possible.
If we really could get people to think that, that would change reality because every baby would grow up in an environment where people did grow up in an environment where people loved them because they didn't want to be stuck in some fucking shithole in the middle of Pakistan in a hut somewhere where drones are shooting missiles over their heads.
The lack of psychedelic experience is a real problem for people that are in office.
I say that and it sounds completely ridiculous.
But I really think you need something as a human being.
You need something every now and then to jolt you out of your walls of perception, of relief.
You get stuck.
You get stuck thinking that this makes sense.
You get stuck on a momentous journey where the momentum keeps pushing you along the same path and there's no room to adjust.
And especially if you're part of a corporation, something big.
Every corporation should have a fucking retreat every six months where they all go to the desert together and they all trip their fucking balls off and then they rethink their life.
And then they get together and they have a meeting on Monday.
And I go, what do you think?
Well, the fucking lizard guy with the tail and the wings, he told me I'm fucking up.
And they showed me the future and it's not good.
Listen, we've got to get these suicide seeds out of these people's hands.
Well, yeah, we can't be making money off them.
This is fucked.
They would realize the error of their ways.
But instead, they have a whiskey and an ambient and they go to sleep.
And the drugs that we have available now, whether it's OxyContin, which is readily available to anybody that stubs their toe, all these different drugs that are available, they're available and they have a numbing quality to them.
They have a quality that allows you to not look at the big picture, but just play your role and put your nose down and grin and bear it.
Do you know how many fucking people are on antidepressants during the day and sleeping pills at night?
I used to work at a physician's office and he handled mostly like injuries and every single patient that came in there with like a work injury, they would get an antidepressant because they weren't working.
So obviously they're depressed.
They would get a painkiller.
They would get like Maloxicam or something, but it was like a sedative and an anti-anxiety pill.
And it was like five or six pills that almost every single patient would walk out with.
Mass diagnosing everyone that comes in there with anxiety and depression.
My dad's a doctor, and he hates the ask your doctor about because you're misleading people.
If you think you have a symptom and you're like, oh, I got to ask my doctor about this to get it fixed, there are a hundred other diseases that could be causing that symptom.
And that's why you go to a fucking doctor in the first place so you can be diagnosed properly.
But instead, what happens is you go, this must be what I have, because the TV ad is so convincing.
You look it up on WebMD, it confirms your expectations.
Yeah, this is what I have.
You go to your doctor and you're like, here, I've done the research for you.
And then you're putting your doctor in an awkward situation where if he doesn't do what you want him to do, you suddenly think he's not giving you the right care.
But you really have to rely on an expert.
It'd be like, you don't see that for cars.
You don't see advertisements for like, you know, you don't just walk into a car dealership and say, here's what's wrong with my car.
Nicotine actually has some positive effects on the body.
Nicotine actually is beneficial.
It can help people with heart issues.
It helps people be more creative.
Like, nicotine itself, as a drug, as a compound, an isolated compound, is not bad.
What's bad is when you smoke it and you smoke it in a cigarette form with 590 other fucking chemicals that are all poured in there by your own, you know, approved by your own loving government just to make those cigarettes more addictive.
But let's be honest, this is kind of disturbing to watch, though, because it is still nicotine, and people can still get addicted to nicotine, you know?
Yeah, that's the kind of, if you met a guy and he pulled out a cigarette and started telling you how awesome it was like that, you would run like the house was on fire.
If you were watching one of those Arnold Schwarzenegger movies or like The Terminator or something like that, if they were making fun of the future, showing you a video of what the future would be like, this would be real.
I was just thinking, you know how you were saying that people are just generally unhappy because they're overworked.
They're not fucking following their true will, all this shit.
I was just thinking the other day watching the soup because it highlights the most ridiculous reality shows that you can't even believe are fucking on TV.
But just like the My Strange Addiction, like people who eat scotch tape and shit.
You're like, I'm sure people in the third world are just like, they saw this.
They're like, what the fuck?
It's just only like first world problems.
Like, can you imagine anyone else having that problem of like, I can't stop eating couch upholstery?
What they have is like these low-end producer guys who sort of dictate what's going to happen in these scenes.
And then these clumsy fucks act it out.
I watched a whole episode of Jersey Shore the other day in my green room before a show where the situation wanted to leave and nobody else wanted to leave.
Like, you think, like, all right, if I were given the power to do this, this, and this, would I act any different if I were like a riot cop and I was coming from that background and like A, B, and C were set up as such.
You know, I think there's things have happened in some countries where the people and the police officers don't have the same sort of antagonistic relationship the United States people do.
But in the United States, if you're a riot cop and there's a riot, you're the enemy.
You know, it's like, you know, that guy's got a club and he's wearing a bulletproof vest and a fucking helmet.
It would be real hard for you to not act in self-preservation by staying with the group.
We were discussing that level of escalation, how the police are allowed to be one level of hostility above you.
They have clear defined levels of hostility.
And if you're at one level, they can be one level above you at all times, which I guess is supposed to be a deterrent from picking up a rock.
But the problem is at the same time, they have people that are in plain clothes that are police officers doing things like that to antagonize the crowd so they can move to the next level, next escalation.
There's a video of one of them, like, kicking a window in, and it's like a real tight video if you watch it from the media side.
But there's actually someone recording it with a phone really far away.
And when you look at their angle, you can see not only all the media surrounding him not stopping him, but there's police across the street just standing there, letting him bash the window in.
And what's in it that's most spectacular is that he details and outlines the introduction of these agent provocateurs into this peaceful settlement, or this peaceful disagreement.
So these people are all protesting.
There's no rocks thrown, nothing's happening.
And then all of a sudden these dudes come in and they're dressed in black and they have military boots on and they start breaking windows and turning cars over and going crazy.
And then they all hole up in a fucking building somewhere.
I don't even want to get into it in full depth because it's a long and drawn-out thing.
But he details it with news accounts.
He's showing you the actual footage of what's going on.
And it's preposterous.
Like you look at it, and then what happens after it?
Well, after the police came in and broke up the peaceful protest and turned it into violence, and then they arrest all the fake cops or the fake protesters, then they make a no-protest zone.
So you can't even have, it was the World Trade Organization, you couldn't even have people that had a badge on with a red stripe through the WTO.
They were stopping them from going to work.
These people had book bags with WTO on it, and they're like, this is a no-protest zone.
A fucking no-protest zone.
Like, you can't go.
And this is all, I mean, it's not, there's the narrative aside.
This is all documented.
It's all very clear.
It shows you the cop, the cop, you see the cop tell her to take the fucking pin off of her book bag, and you're like, what?
Well, it's also, you know, I mean, when they get really nutty, it's when they start talking about Timothy McVeigh in Oklahoma City and how many anti-terrorism provisions were passed right after Oklahoma City.
All these different things that they could do after that was passed in order, you know, to surveil, to use what used to be illegal surveillance.
And that building, you know, that whole thing is crazy, that Timothy McVeigh thing.
If you talk to people that are demolitions experts, they say there's no way a truck filled with fertilizer can make an explosion like that.
It's not what it does.
They said it doesn't have that kind of an impact.
I mean, you can kill people with it, no doubt about it.
But it's not going to blow the whole fucking building apart like that.
That's an insane bomb.
And probably not even just one bomb.
And it blew everything outward.
Like, if you look at the point of impact, the guy parks this truck right in the front of the building and then blows it up, right?
Yeah, but no, because the FBI, they have the news footage of the FBI taking bombs that didn't explode and removing them from the building.
They had a bomb squad that removed additional bombs from the building.
Because in the moments after September or after Oklahoma City, there was a lot of confusion as to what happened before they put the narrative out there and before they say that this is what happened, this is the guy.
And there was a lot of confusion as to what really took place.
And while that confusion is being taken place, there's news reports of FBI guys removing bombs from the building.
When you put out the official narrative, it fills in the gaps in people's minds.
It's like you ask an acquaintance, what do you think of the hot girl wearing the red hat who just passed by?
Most people go, oh, yeah, she was hot.
Even if that girl did not exist.
You'd fill in the blanks, especially after something traumatic happens, you want somebody out there with the voice of authority to say, this is what happened.
And if something like Operation Northwoods is possible, at one point in time, they had decided they were going to sacrifice American lives.
And then you hear about the Dick Cheney plan to do the very same thing in Iran at the end of the Bush administration, you got to wonder what we don't know about.
You hear about General Wesley Clark's coming out in, I think it was 2007 where he said that he was given that paper, a classified memo saying that they wanted to invade seven countries in five years.
And by the way, introducing that idea into their head.
I mean, right, exactly.
When you have a person and that person benefits from getting you to do something that is illegal, and they benefit by getting a caller, they benefit, and you didn't have this plan in effect until you came into contact with them.
How could that possibly be legal?
Because you're discounting the possibility that they could be influencing.
First of all, what kind of a deceptive person are they?
That they can pretend, they're so good, they can trick you, and they could pretend that they're on your side.
And meanwhile, they're the enemy.
I mean, if you're a terrorist and the FBI is in the midst and pretending to be one of you, he's such a good manipulator that he can pretend to be you.
how about the one in Florida where they're hiring undercover cops to pretend to be high school students to get weed yeah no that's insane Well, how about the one where there's a 25-year-old woman who convinces a 17-year-old honor roll student to get her weed, and he tries to give it to her as a gift, and she insists that he take money for it, and then he's arrested.
It's a problem when you boil things down to three letters, when you have power because of those three letters.
You say, open up, it's the FBI.
You're like, holy shit, the FBI's here.
It's not like, you know, knock, knock.
Who is it?
Well, my name is Mike, and on the machine guns is Peter and Tom, and behind them is Glenn with the battering ram, and Bob's his backup.
And, well, we're here because we heard that you have some plants or something.
I mean, that doesn't sound right, but open up.
It's the DEA.
Like, holy shit, the DEA is here.
Like, whenever you have people like that in a group and you give them a little name like that, it just puts some mythical fucking, you know, yeah, it's like, it's like, it's a giant power group.
It's like how many people do they have that are on the police force in whatever Florida town that was, they're supposed to be gathering up weed.
How many people did they have that are supposed to get arrested?
It's not like those people can instead be allocated in some sort of a positive way.
You'd have to change their job.
Because if their job is to go out and bust people for drugs, well, that's their job.
And they're going to do it as long as that job exists.
And if that job doesn't exist, well, then they're out of work and they've got to find something new to do.
So they're going to resist that job being taken away as well.
So it gets to be a weird thing of entanglement where we have private prisons, we have cops and police officers' unions that are lobbying to keep certain things illegal.
You know, you were saying earlier about the media narrative, like just immediately putting it out into the mainstream to try to solidify some sort of narrative.
Well, right after 9-11, my mom was like uber patriotic, you know, the flag phone case, fucking first flag out on the block and shit.
And so my brother and I just discovered this giant box of magazines and newspapers right after 9-11.
And you should see it.
I mean, Newsweek Time magazine, like two days after 9-11, already explaining exactly, you know, everything laid out.
All the hijackers, bin Laden, how the buildings fell down, all the countries were going to invade in the next 10 years.
And you're like, if you had this much information and they had to have been fed it just directly by the government, I'm like, then how come they couldn't prevent it if they already knew all this shit within 24 hours to print this publication?
The put options were all of the, I mean, you bet for stocks to fail on any given day.
A lot of people bet for certain stocks to fail, but on this particular day, all the airlines that were involved in 9-11 were bet 25 times more that they would fail.
So all these rich white people pretty much profited immensely.
Yeah, and then they didn't pursue it because they said, well, because it wasn't done by Al-Qaeda, then we're not interested in pursuing the money ring.
And you're like, but that's much more interesting that it was done by old white men that bet for these stocks to fail.
Because the flying aspect is fascinating when you talk to people that actually fly those jets and talk about how difficult it is to maneuver them correctly, especially the one where it hits the Pentagon.
Well, not only that, that area where it hits is the same area where Donald Rumsfeld was on television just a day before talking about this trillion-plus dollars that's missing, some ridiculous amount of money that's missing.
And then the accounting office in the Pentagon is what gets hit by this plane.
I mean, that's where the plane lands.
It's the very offices that were storing all the data that were looking for where the money is missing.
At the very least, they knew exactly what was coming, and they helped make it happen at the very fucking least.
Which should piss people off just as fucking much.
Because think about it, they knew that this terrorist attack was coming, so they tell people in the first World Trade Center or whatever the, you know, after the first ones hit, they knew that it was the terrorist attack that they had been warned about.
And then they told people to go fucking back to work in the second World Trade Center.
The real thing that piqued my interest when I was hearing a lot of theories about that was the Building 7.
Yeah.
That was the videos of that or just it looks exactly like if you put it right next to a video of an intentionally imploded building, it just looks exactly the same.
MCT oil is you take coconut oil and you stick it in a centrifuge and you take the best part of it, the most nutritious part, and then he puts it and like separates it and makes an oil, puts that in the coffee.
Butter that's from only grass-fed cows, because apparently the fats and that are much more healthy for your body.
And he mixes it all together in a blender with his coffee.
Fucking guy was a trip, man.
There's very few people that really freaked me out.
And I know that research and science backs almost every single different aspect of the health part of his bulletproof diet that he's talking about.
I read all the stuff.
I mean, it's all, it seems like, it seems rock solid.
So this guy's like this super genius character who's claiming that 20% or rather 20 points of his IQ was boosted by doing this fucking crazy sound experiment in the dark for seven days.
Well, it's, you know, I don't remember entirely, but it's based on the research of some neuroscientist that figured out something about manipulating brain waves with electricity and stimulation.
So he puts these little electrodes on his head, and he sends like a low volt to change his state, you know, from alpha to beta or whatever the fuck it is.
But he's got like, you know, like different settings on it.
And I put it on.
It pinched.
I said that it felt like a bee was just touching you with the tip of his horn, his little stinger, just not stinging you, but just like, eeee, eee, I could just fuck you up right now, dude.
But not quite.
And so this guy is obsessed with manipulating his mind and like hacking his body.
So he takes in all these incredible amounts of essential nutrients and he's eating like the healthiest grass-fed meat.
And he's fucking electrifying his brain.
And he's going to this place and manipulating things with sound and getting smarter, like notably, visibly smarter.
And I know he's smart as fuck.
You can't fake it for two hours.
There's a certain amount of talking to someone.
You can tell if someone's weird.
I've had people on the podcast before that I knew were full of shit within like the first 20 minutes of talking to them.
But the first 15 minutes, I might have thought they were pretty cool.
And then somewhere along the line, you go, this guy's a little wacky.
There's something wrong here.
This guy was not like that.
This guy was like, just firing off all this fucking information about how to streamline your mind and how to make things work better and what nutrients are essential and what they do and how it literally enhances the way your nerve endings interact.
But people didn't know what a chimpanzee was until that one ate that lady's face.
People thought the chimpanzees were like BJ and the bear.
You know, like your buddy, he goes trucking with you.
You know, like there were always sidekicks in movies and shit.
Like people didn't see the videos of chimps eating monkeys alive.
You know, they've never seen a chimp attack a person.
They didn't know about these chimps in Africa right now that are going, I forget one particular part of Africa where they're actually going actively out of their way to kill humans.
And they've killed, you know, I've got to pull that up because it's.
I mean, there's no way they, and There should be a healthy separation between people and these fucking things in the real world because they do that to each other.
They go after other chimps and they fuck them up.
I mean, it's amazing that they're just now starting to gang up on people.
So you have these two combating narratives with the liberal and neoconservative establishment where you're like, we either have to have full-fledged warfare or we have drone wars.
but no one's questioning do we need, maybe we don't need any.
We don't need to be fucking fighting this proverbial enemy that doesn't really...
Well, the amount of money we spent in Iraq and Afghanistan would have funded a little over 400 missions, the same size and significance as the Curiosity mission to Mars.
Like, the money that we spent in Iraq and Afghanistan, which the average American citizen has received zero benefit from, we could have launched 400 missions around the solar system.
Aside from the shit we learned from doing all that, it's the jobs that we would create right here in the U.S. Because you don't outsource NASA jobs to China.
Yeah, it's interesting that this industry is thought of as like, by the people that are in charge, I guess, as the only way of having this amount of business going on.
It's like that's the only way.
Instead of thinking of taking the same sort of initiative and the same amount of focus and resources and putting it on just building up inner cities, just fixing Detroit.
You know, have you seen the signs in Detroit now where they're saying enter Detroit at your own risk?
It's like they're posting signs in terrible places saying people should enter at their own risk.
It's like saying like, I guess cops aren't going to go in there.
Like the murder rate in Detroit is through the roof.
You should, look, there's no way a country can be strong when the base of it, the bottom of it is fucked up and rotten.
And the bottom of this country, the foundation of this country is youth and poor neighborhoods.
The higher we can make the quality of life for our poor people, the better the whole thing works.
The more accessible happiness and wealth is to poor people, the more it's possible to gain and achieve and to get out of there, the stronger the whole thing gets.
The idea that we have this finite amount of jobs.
No, we just have a finite amount of jobs with this system, with this system, but there's obviously a lot of work to be done.
There's a shitload of things that need to get done.
And not everybody's going to get to be Tom Cruise, but a lot of people do a lot of really good fucking things.
It is possible that we could use the same resources, the same billions of dollars that we're allocating to going over places that we don't really understand for whatever fucking reason.
You know it's not the truth.
We could do that over here.
It doesn't seem to be impossible.
It just doesn't seem to be probable under this situation.
And the group that's in charge right now has such a stranglehold that they don't want to ever make you think that it's possible to do things any differently.
I mean, there's only so many resources in the world and so much wealth, and they need more of it to keep their middle class from attacking them, basically.
I'm saying you get any country with a billion people that has just recently come online in the capitalism game where having more shit is what you want to do, they're going to start to acquire other areas.
They brought in an eye doctor to fix some of the people's eyes because they had cataracts to do whatever they do for cataracts and chop that part out and replace it.
And they did this.
They actually brought in a film crew, and this was like the cover story.
They had to bring them into the countries.
They're just filming the medical procedures.
And it's scary.
They would get their vision back.
And instead of thanking the doctor, like, thank you, dear leader, for bringing us our vision back.
And it's like, no, he didn't bring your vision back.
He's the reason why you have fucking cataracts in the first place.
Because you're working in a factory your whole life with dark lighting and chemicals being sprayed in your face.
So the only hope that I have for any of this stuff actually turning around is I think the people that have been in power for a long time, we've got to keep eternal life from them.
We've got to make sure they don't actually get some sort of technology where they can live forever.
It's like there's so much power in that position.
There's so much power in the position of being in charge of the military industrial complex, being in charge of where the money gets allocated, being in charge of the influence of presidents.
To get to that position, I mean, that is an immense point of power.
And it's really hard to wrench power when someone has that.
And it's even harder to get them to give it up because it's not moral.
And that seems to be the only way you're ever really going to change things is they have to leave.
They have to die off.
And people like yourself, young people that want to get involved in politics, have to move into these previously corrupt roles and announce new standards.
They have to move in and announce a new way of looking at things that people thought we were getting with Obama.
That's what we were happy about.
We thought we were getting out of this same fucking scary shit that we had with this corporate monster, Dick Cheney, pulling the strings of this dum-dum from Texas.
By the way, this is good for the government, too, because unchucked power is bad for you, too.
You don't want to be in that position.
You should be checked.
There should be regulations.
There should be safeguards in place to protect you from human nature.
It should be very clean and very clear.
And since we're moving into this age of more access to information than ever before, it should be easier to check you than ever before.
You should be more noble.
You should be more just.
It should be more fair.
It shouldn't be the opposite.
Shouldn't be more surveillance, more storing of your fucking phone calls without warrants, more whatever the crazy shit they're doing now.
It shouldn't be that.
That's a sign of a sickness.
That's a sign of you trying to hang on to your addiction.
What you're trying to do is isolate everybody and get them away from you.
You're trying to force yourself into a position where you can control the situation because you don't want to accept the fact that you're living an unevolved life.
And the people that are in charge of whatever the fuck it is, call it whatever you want, whatever it is that's moving us into war, whatever it is that's sucking oil out of the ground and the way you get it is by jacking countries and holding on to the resources, whatever the fuck that is, they have to come to some sort of a realization that this is an insane way to live.
They fear that it's coming down, and that's why they're trying to lock everything up, and that's why they're trying to set up these safeguards in place where basically everything is legal.
Well, there's a law right now that basically says the government can't turn propaganda against American citizens.
So they're not allowed to have all that war propaganda posters and stuff like that.
For some reason, people in Congress have decided that they want to undo that.
And it's going to be kind of another rider in the same way that indefinite detention was on the 2012 NDAA.
And what we were just kind of theorizing at lunch, one of the ways that they could use that is by using government funding to hire people to basically sit on Twitter all day.
Instead of having war posters on the wall, what they'd have is like banks of people sitting on Twitter all day, for instance, like going after Abby for like something she says on her show and pretending.
They're not going to be labeled as like a government Twitter account.
They're going to be like pretending to be a big thing.
They're never going to have the amount of enthusiasm that the people fighting them are because they're just going to be shitty government employees that don't really have that in mind as what they want to be doing with their lives.
Whereas people that are fighting it, they're led by a vision.
They're led by, they have a hope and a dream for something being better and they have passion.
And the people that do things like that just for a job, they suck at it.
Like, they have people on my message board that are probably government agents.
They're fucking terrible at it.
You know, they're always trying to buy weed from people.
Laziest DEA agent ever.
It's pretty obvious, man.
In order to get people to be as charismatic, to be as educated on the subject, to be as aware of what young people are tuned into, you'd have to become one of them.
If you were working for the government and you were supposed to be an agent provocateur and you were working on the internet, with more and more access to the internet, you're going to start looking at shit and you're going, Who the fuck am I working for?
And if you're a 29-year-old guy or a 30-year-old guy, it's very possible that you would start doing some things for the opposition.
It's very possible that a guy like Bradley Manning did exactly that.
That he's working for the government and you realize at one point in time, like, holy shit, like, look at someone needs to see this stuff.
Like, this is crazy stuff.
This is nuts.
We're shooting these reporters, and they're joking about it.
They're making it seem like it's no big deal.
And they're shooting a van full of kids.
You know, and they say, well, I shouldn't have brought kids.
Like, you're hearing shit like that, and you go, what the fuck?
So this kid releases it, and now he's an enemy of the state, and they give him the same brain scrambles treatment that they're giving people in Guantanamo.
And the people aren't, most, a lot of people care about this, but to be honest, there are a lot of people who don't.
And recently there was this huge controversy about Reddit.
Gawker, which you know Gawker, it's like a big gossip blog, outed the identity of one of the moderators on Reddit who was behind some of their more disgusting sections.
Like one section posted photos of dead girls who were under the age of 17.
That was like the specific purpose of this community was to do that.
And there were a lot of people online who were outraged that his identity was revealed in this article.
But they were so outraged about this that they blocked Gawker from posting links on many parts of Reddit to starve them of traffic, which I mean, Gawker's popular regardless.
But I was thinking, how fucking sick is that you're defending this scumbag?
When meanwhile, there are actual political activists who are having their anonymity stripped from them, and they're being thrown into fucking prison cells.
And there are activists who are having the same thing done to them, like Jeremy Hammond, I think his name is.
And you don't see any uproar on Reddit or Dig about that shit.
Because people are like, there's a disconnect, you know?
The Espionage Act for spies during World War I. They've charged Thomas Drake, some guy who was an NSA whistleblower, about an illegal torture and spying program, and they fucking tried to put him in jail for 20 years.
But it seems that we're building towards an event.
It doesn't seem to me that we can continue with all these various aspects, the continual wars overseas, the battle for resources, the crazy people that we have representing us that don't seem to have anything in line with our own personal needs or our own wants or desires as a nation.
It seems like we're being led.
We're on a pirate ship.
We're on this crazy fucking pirate ship, and we're about to hit the rock somewhere.
I think I always tell people, I mean people who vote in these presidential elections and think that there's going to be some sort of change.
That can never happen.
It's only come from grassroots.
It's only come from the bottom up.
And I think that if you just acknowledge that voting is something that you do every day, multiple times a day.
I mean, everything you do is politicized.
Everything you do can have an impact.
So I think the conversations you have, the dialogue you engage in, the businesses you choose to support, the websites you go to, the media you consume.
I mean, all of that is an act of voting.
All of that can enact some sort of change.
And so it's easy to get disillusioned and disempowered from getting sucked into these fucking election cycles that are just psychically vampiristic.
It's hard to feel like you can have an effect on something like a presidential election.
Maybe a lot of people feel like it doesn't really matter if I go and vote.
Where they can have an effect is with people like David on a congressional level and in midterm elections, specifically in primaries where a lot of perhaps good politicians get pushed out.
And if you've ever watched Hacking Democracy and then you watch Diebold's change of their name after the Hacking Democracy HBO show, where they showed how those fucking machines are set up for a third-party input to alter the number.
You can alter the numbers.
Yeah, you can change it by 10% or something crazy.
That should be illegal, by the way, to be a corporation that's doing evil shit and you just rebrand as something else, but you retain all the same leadership and the same actual company.
A guy who's a CEO of a company that fixes shit after it gets blown up, gets in office, and then decides to blow up everything and then give them no-bid contracts to fix shit up.
I just watched something on that the other day where they were talking about the quality of the water, like the quality of the services they were providing the soldiers with.
It was just ridiculous.
And they used to have like burn pits because they had like, they would like take all this equipment that was bought by taxpayers and it would just like chunk it away.
Like the waste was just phenomenal.
It's because the more they spent, the more they got paid.
If you run as an independent candidate and you decide last minute to jump in, which is what a lot of independents do, you get your fucking ass handed to you.
So instead we're being very deliberate and slow and careful and gradually building this thing out.
We've already had like 110 people sign up to volunteer to help us campaign.
And we're raising donations.
We filed with the FEC.
We filed with the IRS.
We have all of our financial stuff figured out.
And we're dotting all of our I's, crossing all of our T's.
So that's why we're running so early, because we actually want to win.
This isn't some half-assed independent campaign to make a point.
It's to actually win.
And I had never said I was running in 2012.
What happened is I did a Reddit AMA where a couple of guys swooped in, and I think it might have actually been one guy with two usernames.
And they kept saying his campaign's a fraud.
Don't contribute to it.
It might even be illegal to contribute to this campaign.
They were saying this shit.
And then as soon as I saw it, I replied and explained everything.
And there was some confusion about the district because it was previously called the 20th district.
And so at first, our website did say 20th District.
It was redistricted.
I mean, redistricting is incredibly complicated.
I don't fully understand it.
I'll be honest about that.
But so I responded, and any rational person who read that would say, okay, this explains everything.
But then these guys downvoted that comment, so it was buried.
And if you were skimming, you're like, why didn't he answer this?
And then they would post it again.
And I would comment again, and they would downvote it, like negative 10 votes.
Well, also, you're smart, and what you're saying is pretty fascinating.
And what you're saying, you have a lot of conviction behind.
And people don't like people that are better than themselves.
They don't like someone who they can't look at him and they look at what I've done in my life by the time I'm 26, and I'm kind of a fucking loser compared to this guy whose last name is Seaman.
To be serious for a second, what's really important about my campaign, it's not even that one person out of a 435-member House makes that much of a difference, aside from being able to introduce legislation, which will make a difference.
But the big thing is if this actually happens, we're going to create a handbook and distribute it to other people around my age.
And anybody who's interested in running and not interested in affiliating themselves with super PACs or with lobbying groups or with one of the two big parties.
You show them the handbook of here's how it can be done.
Use the internet instead of a party.
Raise small individual donations.
Remain relatively honest.
Don't fucking sell out six months before the election to the Koch brothers or something.
And if you release this handbook and you go, this has been done before.
Here's the recipe.
So many people will flood into Congress who are more like you and me, just actual people who are pissed off at the way things are going and feel like if we had some rationality in there, things would get better.
And you're already seeing that happening.
It's going to happen.
I'd rather have it happen two years from now instead of 10 or 15 years from now.
I've had people say, like, you're probably on some list now.
And I used to be like kind of Alex Jones mode about that.
I was like, shit, I probably am on some lists, you know?
But now I think it's kind of, I'm kind of flattered by it.
If the government's reading my emails and my texts, they're probably a little bit impressed that Dell and I have marshaled this kind of support this far out and that our campaign is really just about what we say it's about.
It's not actually secretly backed by the clean coal lobby or some bullshit.
It's just a campaign of people who want to see better representation and that's all it is.
So if they're watching me, they're probably a little bit impressed.
And I'm no longer afraid of having somebody Julian Assange me by hooking me up with some hooker or something and then taping it.
I mean, but if you look at what this NSA building that they're putting together in Utah that's going to spy on everybody and store all your data for all your emails and text messages and all that craziness, I mean, that to me seems like they think everyone's a threat.
So you're a threat too, dude.
If you're on the show, you're going to be a threat.
Is there a way to change the tone of this country?
Is there a way?
I mean, because the tone of this country clearly changed on September 11th.
Clearly, it went dark.
Everything went crazy.
We realized the repercussions of what the fuck we're doing.
I mean, if whether or not it's a false flag event and they orchestrated it or terrorists hate us so much they're willing to fucking sacrifice people's lives and fly people into buildings.
Whatever's going on, we realize there's repercussions to whoever is in office being in office.
Whoever is in government, whoever is conducting world affairs, whoever, there's obviously some fucking chaos because they wanted to make a big noise.
They wanted to make a big splash and kill a bunch of people.
One is shows like yours, where you're opening real conversations, and shows like yours, where the people on TV with Abby Martin's show, you know, you're like, oh, she's kind of like me.
She's not some plastic.
She's not some plastic person who's just being fed these Fox News talking points.
And you probably know at the end of the day that you're, at the very least, distracting people from the real issues.
I'm sure those people go home knowing that and they go, well, I'm getting paid $3 million to do it, so who really gives a shit?
And that's the first thing.
The second thing, I think, is you just have to keep going.
You can't stop just because there are some issues out there.
I feel a lot of people, there's a silent majority who's fed up with the TSA groping them and fed up with us spending this much money on programs that we maybe don't really need.
Well, the problem with the surveillance data is the chilling effect.
It makes people stifled into not dissenting, not speaking out as much.
Because when you know, if you have a recording device on a table, you're not going to say the same things as you were before.
And so when you know that you're being watched everywhere, recorded everywhere, surveilled, data mined, you're not going to speak out as much.
I've had so many people say, you know, aren't you terrified?
And I'm like, I'm just speaking the truth.
I'm just speaking what I believe and talking about what I'm passionate about.
And if everyone kind of shed themselves of that fear and didn't let that affect the way that they acted, then I think that the country would be a lot different.
They're not going to be able to hold on to that kind of power.
I don't think it's going to be exclusive to them.
I think the internet, just this sort of intertwining of information into our lives, I think it's going to get to a point where there's just this zero point, where this point of what Terrence McKenna called ultimate novelty, where we're going to reach some new paradigm, new shift in.
Yeah.
We look at we can do now just with Google and cell phones and just the ability to talk to people while you're driving your car home.
It's really a crazy connectivity that we've sort of taken for granted because it's just Bluetooth in my car.
It's kind of cool, but you get used to it after a while and you do business while you're stuck in traffic.
But that's a weird thing, and that's just what we know exists because someone invented it.
They haven't stopped doing that, okay?
They're going to continue and they're probably on the cusp of releasing some shit over the next decade or so that's going to make that look like nothing.
And then no one's going to have any privacy.
And we're going to have to accept this whole idea of humans being one, you know, that the human race is just one big gigantic superorganism.
Well, that's going to be real as fuck.
Like, it's not just going to be some sort of a hippie-dippy yoga phrase, you know, that you say because it makes you feel better.
It's going to be real.
You're going to be able to see, everyone's going to know the real live repercussions of all sorts of different types of behavior.
We're going to be able to see how people really feel about each other.
We're going to see how people really view you.
It's going to be very different than life now, and it's inevitable.
It's not going to stop.
Just like we were at one point in time animals with no communication whatsoever.
We were one time single-celled organisms with no way of making any noise.
And we became this thing.
And this thing is not going to stay this thing forever.
This thing's going to be something way fucking crazier.
So all of our problems that we have right now are the monkey mind, the fucking wild male dominant chimpanzee mind that's trying to take over the world.
While this is happening, technology is just moving closer and closer in on it, and it's scrambling.
There's like this big ant death spiral of the more madness that we operate under, the more access to information that we have, the crazier it's going to get.
It's going to get to a point where it can't be contained because everyone will be involved in it.
It won't be as simple as these world bankers can tell the troops to move into certain positions.
The troops are going to know exactly where it's coming from.
Everyone's going to know where it's coming from.
Everyone's going to know why it's coming from, from whatever group is pushing, whatever agenda that's forcing people to die.
And they're going to be punished for it.
There's just no way.
There's no way you can keep this fucking game going on.
Unless you bomb us back to the Stone Age and only a few thousand people survive.
Then it's possible.
So if you're a real speculator and if you looked at the human race saying, listen, there's no way we're going to be able to keep this up.
What we're going to have to do is build something About five miles into the ground, and we can keep you alive for about three years.
That's what we need.
And we need about a year for the radioactive waste to die off.
And then we come up back to the surface when most of the people are dead, and we start all over again.
Those Jason Silva videos where it's like an amazing future, his technology has uplifted us.
That's what happens if we actually do our parts and speak out and take a role in government and take a role in the media and getting the truth out there.
That's what we get.
That's our reward if we actually do our roles as individuals and as a community.
If we don't do those things, we don't get that.
It's not just going to magically happen.
I really don't believe that.
I think if we don't do our parts, we end up in a place that looks more like a kind of like total recall version of the future where people are living in small, dingy apartments and there are cameras everywhere and secretive police pulling people away for no reason.
They've stripped him of all of his Tour de France wins.
And apparently, it's American Doping Society, or Anti-Doping Society, that's doing it, or whatever the fuck the name of their organization is, their DEA, whatever it is.
Whatever it is, they don't even have the right to take it away.
They didn't award it.
I wonder what's going on with that.
He did something to somebody.
Maybe someone was a big Cheryl Crowe fan and when he started banging Cheryl Crowe, they're like, that's it.