Oct. 10, 2012 - The Joe Rogan Experience
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| Hey, everybody. | ||
| The Joe Rogan Experience podcast is in need of a new way of saying that. | ||
| Because I'm fucking tired of it. | ||
| God damn it. | ||
| About here are the coming distractions. | ||
| Yeah, here's some shit you should do with your money if you want to help the show. | ||
| It doesn't really help us. | ||
| I mean, it sort of helps us. | ||
| It helps the people who pay us, so it helps us indirectly. | ||
| One thing we can promise you when we have any sort of sponsorship on this show... | ||
| It is 100% a product that I believe in. | ||
| We'll never bullshit you. | ||
| So anything that we have that sponsors the show, you can guarantee that what we are saying, first of all, is 100% what we believe. | ||
| And if we find out that it's incorrect in any way, shape, or form, we will go back and correct it. | ||
| The last thing I want... | ||
| That's not subtle enough. | ||
| The last thing I want is... | ||
| For anyone to get ripped off, ever, from anything that I'm associated with. | ||
| So everything we sell you, whether it's the supplements from Onnit or Ting, we believe in. | ||
| What is Ting? | ||
| Ting is, if you go to rogan.ting.com, you will be able to get a better understanding of it, and you also save 50 bucks on your first Ting device. | ||
| They have a bunch of cool smartphones, including the Samsung Galaxy S3, which is amazing. | ||
| I almost bought it the other day. | ||
| Don't do it. | ||
| I know, but... | ||
| Ting, why don't you hook Brian Redband up with a phone? | ||
| I think we need his technical advice, because I just love it. | ||
| I'm like, me like the bigger pictures. | ||
| Me like going on browser. | ||
| Me like big screen. | ||
| I've been using this Nexus 7 thing here, and it has the Android operating system on it. | ||
| And so now I'm like, man, I wish I could use this as a phone, because I kind of want to play with it. | ||
| Is it on the internet? | ||
| It's Wi-Fi only, so I use my iPhone 5 to teether it to. | ||
| Do they make any ones like that that are... | ||
| By the way, it's Tether, you fuck. | ||
| Tether-ish. | ||
| Tether-ish. | ||
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Stop that. | |
| Stop it. | ||
| It says it wrong. | ||
| Do they make them that small? | ||
| Or is it the Note is the only one that's smaller than that? | ||
| Yeah, the Note's smaller than that. | ||
| They don't make something that size that's a phone, though. | ||
| No, I don't think so, but I think... | ||
| Could you get a cellular Wi-Fi? | ||
| I saw somebody use one of those notes the other day. | ||
| This little girl had this humongous phone. | ||
| It looked like the old days when people had boomboxes on their shoulders. | ||
| But they're cool, man. | ||
| I'm telling you, I get mad phone envy. | ||
| Technology envy whenever I see that screen. | ||
| Sorry, Ting doesn't have that. | ||
| But they have the Galaxy S3. Yeah, that's why I wanted to get the S3. That's like a medium ground between the Note and some of the other Google smartphones. | ||
| But what's great about Ting is the way they've set up their business. | ||
| And the idea behind it is you can still run a good business and make money and not have to rip people off. | ||
| Not have to get people involved in these crazy contracts where you can't get out of it unless you pay money. | ||
| I think that's disgusting. | ||
| I really do. | ||
| I think it's a crazy, horrible situation where... | ||
| When you order service, especially from some gigantic multi-billion dollar companies, when you're ordering service, when you don't want the service anymore, you should be able to say, I don't want your service anymore, thank you very much, and boom, it goes away. | ||
| It shouldn't be you have to pay them money, but that's how it is with most major providers. | ||
| And Ting doesn't have it set up like that. | ||
| Ting also, I misspoke when I said that your minutes go into the next month if you don't use them. | ||
| It's actually better than that. | ||
| They actually knock you down on your bill and then they credit you the next month. | ||
| So it's like they actually charge you less money. | ||
| It's not even that they give you more minutes. | ||
| They charge you less money. | ||
| So they take away, like you have credits. | ||
| Say if you have a plan and your plan is to use X amount of minutes for X amount of dollars per month. | ||
| If you use less than that, they will actually bill you less. | ||
| I see. | ||
| They will credit your next month. | ||
| Right. | ||
| It's like you're overpaid almost. | ||
| It's a great company. | ||
| And they use Sprint. | ||
| So it's a major network's Network, backbone without the contracts and all the other craziness that goes along with using cell phone service. | ||
| It's really nuts. | ||
| So we support Ting. | ||
| They're a cool company. | ||
| And if you go to rogan.ting.com, you can save $50 of one of their many badass Android devices. | ||
| Really, if you're into technology, it's fucking fascinating stuff. | ||
| We're also brought to you by... | ||
| Onnit.com. | ||
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| What are you doing, Brian? | ||
| You're scaring the shit out of me. | ||
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| But what it can do for you is what really essentially all nutrients can improve the way your body functions. | ||
| It's what your body needs to run. | ||
| And we live in a world where most of us don't eat enough of the proper food. | ||
| We don't eat enough healthy green leafy vegetables. | ||
| That's like one of the main ones. | ||
| All sorts of different vegetables. | ||
| We don't drink enough water. | ||
| We take a lot of stupid shit into our bodies. | ||
| So fix that first. | ||
| Before you start taking any supplements, before you just eat fucking two cheeseburgers and then go take some Shroom Tech and want to work out, It's not like that. | ||
| You should take care of your body first. | ||
| That's number one. | ||
| Eat as much healthy food as possible. | ||
| Give yourself some cheat days, man. | ||
| Give yourself some days where you fuck off. | ||
| But for the most part, try to eat healthy. | ||
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| It's not what it is. | ||
| It's a weird little loophole where it's very similar to the marijuana plant, but it's not psychoactive. | ||
| So you can eat it, and it's really healthy for you. | ||
| Hemp protein is really healthy. | ||
| It's what they use for fiber, for clothes, like hemp clothes. | ||
| But it's illegal to grow in America. | ||
| But you can buy it. | ||
| But you've got to buy it from Canada. | ||
| It's a fucking squirrely setup, folks. | ||
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| It's really hard to do and it's annoying because it takes jobs away from U.S. farmers. | ||
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| But we can't. | ||
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| We also have kettlebells. | ||
| We have battle ropes. | ||
| All different things to get you fit in a functional way. | ||
| And by the way, all this stuff is stuff that I use myself. | ||
| All of it is stuff that I've learned from strength and conditioning coaches from... | ||
| Guys that train people for jiu-jitsu or MMA. It's all like the best exercises to really sort of for functional form, for functional strength, for strength where your whole body moves as one unit. | ||
| You know, these kettlebell exercises. | ||
| You're not isolating any muscle groups, really. | ||
| It's like you're using your entire body. | ||
| And when you do that, first of all, you feel great. | ||
| It's great to have like a body that works well. | ||
| It's great to be able to move things. | ||
| I mean, just... | ||
| Forget the superficial way that you look. | ||
| It's great. | ||
| It's nice to have a functional body that can pick things up if you need them moved. | ||
| People don't think about it that way, but essentially your body is like a race car. | ||
| You can choose how much horsepower to put in it. | ||
| All you have to do is lift weights. | ||
| If you lift weights, you get more horsepower. | ||
| DJ Brian on the mix. | ||
| Anyway, we also have Blendtec blenders coming in. | ||
| They should either be in today or tomorrow. | ||
| I think they're in already. | ||
| They're fucking fantastic. | ||
| Those are the blenders that we use on an iPhone. | ||
| We just decided to start selling them. | ||
| They're the best blenders you can get. | ||
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That's awesome. | |
| They're awesome. | ||
| I use a Vitamix, which is equally good. | ||
| Excellent, excellent blender. | ||
| But the consensus was that Blendtec's the best. | ||
| I wonder if you could blend a Vitamix with this blender. | ||
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We should try it. | |
| You would have to break it up first, but I bet you could. | ||
| Let's try it. | ||
| I wonder the blades couldn't blend the blades, right? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Blades versus blades? | ||
| What the fuck would happen? | ||
| It would be chaos! | ||
| Onit.com, folks. | ||
| And also, Jesus Christ, Audible was the last one. | ||
| I love Audible. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Audible.com. | ||
| Let me pull up the URL real quick. | ||
| A lot of people are saying thank you for introducing them to the Steve Martin book, Born Standing Up. | ||
| They loved it, yeah, because Steve Martin reads it, and so it's like listening to a play almost. | ||
| It's great. | ||
| I highly recommend it. | ||
| I like Audible for road trips. | ||
| I'll put it on my iPhone and just Bluetooth it over and listen to people talk and fall asleep while I'm driving. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Yeah, I'm a huge fan of books on tape. | ||
| I used to use them a lot in road gigs. | ||
| Whenever I'd have these long road gigs, they'd be painful. | ||
| I'd drive like three hours up to Maine or something like that. | ||
| Back then they were all cassettes. | ||
| But I got into it and it's like, man, it changes a boring drive into something really exciting. | ||
| Sorry, that was a mistake. | ||
| These are ridiculous. | ||
| These are truly ridiculous. | ||
| This is what it was supposed to sound like. | ||
| Like a little car. | ||
| That's better. | ||
| That's way better. | ||
| That's the beauty of books on tape. | ||
| Or it could just be really educational. | ||
| To me, it's an awesome resource that a lot of people don't take part in. | ||
| It allows you to make productive time and enjoyable time out of time that sucks. | ||
| That fucking dumbass commute that you have to do every day. | ||
| When you listen to an excellent book on tape, Man, it really is, to me, it's a total game changer. | ||
| It makes it enjoyable. | ||
| You actually get home and you're like, I feel great. | ||
| You're just so fired up. | ||
| I've sometimes gone home and taken the CD out and listened to a book on tape in my house. | ||
| And you can do that if you have an iPhone hook up to your car, too. | ||
| I'll just continue it. | ||
| I get roped in. | ||
| If you go to JoeRogan... | ||
| Oh, that's the wrong fucking URL. It's audible.com backslash something. | ||
| That didn't help at all. | ||
| Able backslash... | ||
| I think it's Joe Rogan. | ||
| Let's see. | ||
| It's that or it's Joe. | ||
| We've hit a bump, they say, so it's not that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I'm trying to look up Allison Shulia. | ||
| Okay, it's Joe. | ||
| That's what it is. | ||
| It's audible.com forward slash Joe. | ||
| If you do it, if you go there, you can try Audible free for 30 days and get a free audio book. | ||
| So it's an awesome resource. | ||
| Audible is one of the best sites in the world when it comes to this. | ||
| It's like the most prominent site in the world. | ||
| And they've been around for a long time. | ||
| And they also have Opie and Anthony shows. | ||
| When you were on there, they have back episodes of when you were on Opie and Anthony. | ||
| So you can listen to Ari Shafir and us and everyone on the Opie and Anthony. | ||
| They also have your CDs on here. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And shit like that. | ||
| So it's a good way to buy your stuff. | ||
| Yeah, it's a cool service. | ||
| It's a cool service. | ||
| We like the setup. | ||
| I really enjoy audiobooks. | ||
| And, you know, of course, shows like Opie and Anthony are great to be able to get to. | ||
| And comedy CDs and stuff like that. | ||
| It's just a huge variety of things. | ||
| But the beautiful thing is if you go to audible.com forward slash Joe, you can try it out free for 30 days. | ||
| And get a free audiobook, right? | ||
| Isn't that what it is? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Something along those lines? | ||
| Uh, yes. | ||
| That is exactly what it is. | ||
| Alright, ladies and gentlemen. | ||
| Let's fucking get this show rolling. | ||
| This is the lamest commercials we've ever done. | ||
| It was. | ||
| We need a little fire under our asses. | ||
| Alright. | ||
| Ladies and gentlemen, the great Alex Gray is here. | ||
| We're gonna get to the bottom of some shit. | ||
| Figure some things out. | ||
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The Joe Rogan Experience. | |
| Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. | ||
| If there is a man that is on more dorm room walls than you, it might be Frank Frazetta. | ||
| But it's only like if you count all time. | ||
| If you think about it, as far as the 70s and 80s, those poster years, Frank Frazetta put in some goddamn numbers. | ||
| That guy, he had some amazing stuff. | ||
| But you, sir, are right up there. | ||
| And you are, as far as the psychedelic community goes, you're the only guy that I've ever seen that I've looked at your work and I'm like, wow, that guy actually captured some of that. | ||
| You've actually grabbed some of it. | ||
| For someone who hasn't experienced a really intense psychedelic breakthrough sort of a moment, I don't know if they would connect with your artwork the same way. | ||
| It's beautiful. | ||
| It's striking. | ||
| It's amazing and unique. | ||
| But what's amazing to me about it is that when I see your stuff, it's like you really captured something somehow or another. | ||
| The unrememberable, you remembered it enough, or you channeled it enough, or whatever, but you nail stuff, man. | ||
| That one that you were just showing, the hologram? | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| What is the title? | ||
| Because it's one of my favorites. | ||
| It's one of my favorites. | ||
| It's the bardo being, and then the diamond being. | ||
| Let's see the angles here. | ||
| There's a diamond being. | ||
| There's the barbell being. | ||
| That's so intense. | ||
| And there's the jewel being. | ||
| So see how they kind of like... | ||
| It's like you have a little trans-dimensional portal in a postcard. | ||
| Wow, that's amazing. | ||
| That's beautiful. | ||
| That one right there? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That one. | ||
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That's DMT. Yeah, that's totally DMT. Yeah, you nailed it. | |
| Anybody who has had the tryptamine experience... | ||
| And that's what's really fascinating. | ||
| Because it's impossible to actually translate that trans-dimensional realm, that inter-dimensional infinitude. | ||
| And yet, as crude as it is, a painting That's an authentic transmission from that state will communicate to people and it astonishes me that I meet brothers and sisters all over the world that say the same thing, that they've been there, they've seen that, they know where I'm painting from. | ||
| Have you ever had a thought in your mind or a dream where somehow or another in the dream, this has happened to me several times in my life, Where an image, a really weird, bizarre, random image, was recognized to me to mean something or play some significant part in my life. | ||
| Whether it's some friends I know, a place that I live. | ||
| But it would be imagery. | ||
| It was really weird. | ||
| I looked at that imagery, whatever it was, a strange geometric pattern, And it represented to me very clearly this aspect of my life. | ||
| But only in a dream form. | ||
| It's visual poetry. | ||
| And I remember so many times going... | ||
| I gotta wake up and I gotta write this down. | ||
| But I couldn't even write it down. | ||
| Because the shape was constantly moving in my mind. | ||
| You know, it had like... | ||
| I was like, no, but if I could just draw this image... | ||
| Well, that's what you did with that. | ||
| You drew that. | ||
| Yeah, it's kind of a compression of that. | ||
| That's for you, of course. | ||
| Oh, thank you. | ||
| Yeah, you nailed it, man. | ||
| Whatever it is, right there, boom. | ||
| The one with the stripes? | ||
| Holy shit. | ||
| The skulls and the stripes? | ||
| That's insane, man. | ||
| That's like... | ||
| That's as close to what a real trip feels like as is possible. | ||
| And for anybody who has ever had any sort of psychedelic experience, that's the crazy thing about it at all. | ||
| After all, rather, is that it is possible. | ||
| It's hard to believe that it's possible. | ||
| Well, Joe, I wanted to give to you the fourth book in America. | ||
| You'll be the fourth person to have seen this book, which we just got an hour ago. | ||
| My wife and daughter and I saw it. | ||
| It was delivered to her door and we drove right over here. | ||
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Wow. | |
| So this is TU. Brand new. | ||
| It won't be out in the United States for another month and a half or something like that. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| But it is Net of Being. | ||
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Wow. | |
| This is awesome. | ||
| Thank you very much, man. | ||
| That's cool. | ||
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Wow. | |
| This is incredible. | ||
| I can't wait to go through it. | ||
| I'm going to set it down. | ||
| I've been a fan of your work for years, man. | ||
| I've got a big piece of yours hanging up in my isolation tank room. | ||
| I have several of them. | ||
| You have a disco ball in that isolation tank? | ||
| No, I think that's what it needs. | ||
| Really take it over the edge. | ||
| The Cosmic Christ is another one of my favorites. | ||
| When did you start doing this kind of art? | ||
| How long have you been doing this? | ||
| Let's see. | ||
| When I was 21, I had a kind of a crisis, I think, and I wasn't sure that I really wanted to live any longer, because I was really depressed. | ||
| And, of course, I did not believe there was a spiritual reality at all. | ||
| And even though my friends had tripped before me, I never did, because I was so miserable. | ||
| I just thought I'd go to hell, and who needs infinite hell? | ||
| And so, anyway, at some point, I prayed to a god that I didn't really believe existed, and that if you do exist, then I need a sign, or, you know, I'm through. | ||
| And so within 24 hours, I'm saying goodbye to my professor at art school. | ||
| It was the last day of school, like August 30th or something. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| It was like May 30th, May 30th. | ||
| And around the corner drives this VW. And it's this gal, Allison, who invites us to her graduate... | ||
| You know, it's kind of like the end of school party. | ||
| And her sister's in town. | ||
| So this professor picks me up later that night. | ||
| And we go to this party. | ||
| And on the way, he says... | ||
| I've got in this bottle some Kahlua and LSD. And I said, you know, basically what the fuck? | ||
| And so I drank about half of it. | ||
| And I got to the door and the gal drinks the other half. | ||
| And I sit on her couch for the entire journey, almost, and just sit there kind of weirdly inside myself on one of her sculptures, a couch with a soft figurine of a self-portrait. | ||
| And so, when I close my eyes, Inside, and I've never had a trip like this since, but I was in the dark. | ||
| I could see I was in the dark, but I was going toward the light because there was this curling kind of mother-of-pearl like conch shell thing and I was in it like a tunnel with a light coming just from around it the side and It was awesome because it was that was it. | ||
| Of course, this was God. | ||
| This was the light was God and And I knew that even if I was in the dark, I was going toward the light. | ||
| All the shades of gray connect both those opposites. | ||
| And so I changed my name to gray right then. | ||
| And so my art has always been kind of trying to integrate the spectrum of reality into a more holistic picture of the trans-dimensional, the visionary, and the transcendental. | ||
| Because the transcendental Art traditions, you know, all the sacred arts of all the different world, visionary cultures. | ||
| Because all religion comes from the mystical experience. | ||
| And that's a visionary experience. | ||
| And you see it through all the mosques are beautifully ornamentally patterned from the same visionary mindscape that a DMT user would recognize. | ||
| And the same thing goes for the great Christian masterpieces and All through world religion, there are these waves that have crystallized into these visionary experiences of angels, of demons, of all kinds of worlds. | ||
| And they're really... | ||
| It's the thing that connects all the world religions is sacred art. | ||
| And so we started thinking like, wow, there needs to be a new kind of sacred art. | ||
| That integrates this visionary dimension of where all cultures emanate from. | ||
| The true visionary cultures emanate from this. | ||
| You see it in the Shipibos. | ||
| You see it in the Huicholi. | ||
| You see it in so many of these patterns. | ||
| Isn't it a fascinating thing that art is such an integral part of religion? | ||
| But it's not really discussed that way. | ||
| Religion is all about ideology for most people. | ||
| But if you really stop and think about it, the Christian artwork, the Hindu artwork... | ||
| What do we care about? | ||
| We listen to the music or watch the dance. | ||
| It's the way that people connect together. | ||
| It's a fascinating aspect, though, a really underappreciated aspect, the aspect of religious art having influence, because especially when you're stopping and you're thinking about back when people had no other transmissions, there was no broadcast images, there was no video, there was no photographs. | ||
| You literally had nothing or incredibly stunning religious art, you know? | ||
| That's it. | ||
| There was nowhere else to go to see iconography. | ||
| It was probably the most impactful thing a person could see back then. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| Because there would be all this other art, but the other art, whether it's a painting of a tree or whatever the fuck it is, it's not going to be Jesus. | ||
| And someone who can paint an incredibly detailed Jesus, and if you stop and think about the time in which these people were doing this, this is an incredibly... | ||
| The access to information was almost nil. | ||
| So this, to them, must have been hugely impactful. | ||
| Because you could see it. | ||
| It wasn't just a thought. | ||
| It wasn't just you talking about it. | ||
| You could actually see this painting. | ||
| They're benchmarks in the evolution of human consciousness is what they are. | ||
| So strange that it's not really talked about as being completely connected. | ||
| Because it's the underground mycelium A visionary culture that unites everyone. | ||
| And that's what the religion of the 21st century is, I think, is just your creativity. | ||
| And it's your way that you connect with God, however it is. | ||
| And it comes out. | ||
| You can look at the arts. | ||
| You can see how the arts could unite all world religions. | ||
| It's trans-dimensional. | ||
| Or trans... | ||
| Transdenominational and transdimensional. | ||
| You know? | ||
| And that's what we're building at COSM. Even Scientology has lava exploding out of a mountain and a cross with a crazy star thing in the middle of it. | ||
| They have their own shit too. | ||
| Do Mormons have religious artwork? | ||
| Well, they have temples. | ||
| And they're quite extraordinary. | ||
| And the stories themselves are works of art. | ||
| No, they are. | ||
| The Joseph Smith story? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| All the stories of all the founders and mystics... | ||
| Come from this visionary experience they have. | ||
| I think Joseph Smith, though, it's been pretty much proven that he was a con man. | ||
| Well, he claimed to have a mystical experience, and that's what ignited the excitement, the religious fervor of people. | ||
| He was also martyred, you know, and there are a lot of people who hated him. | ||
| Obviously, he was martyred. | ||
| Like the Bob. | ||
| Got martyred. | ||
| The Baha'i. | ||
| The great Baha'i. | ||
| I'm not familiar with that story. | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| You know, it's not the Church of the Subgenius, Bob. | ||
| It's the founder of the Baha'i religion. | ||
| Where is that from? | ||
| Unfortunately, I ran. | ||
| And I believe. | ||
| So he was... | ||
| Considered a heretic. | ||
| It was the, I believe, later 19th century when he received the understanding that there's a unity of all world religions, that we should consort with people of all religions, and that religion comes in waves of revelation. | ||
| And he argued for the equality of women and men and the friendship of all races. | ||
| And so the understanding of how some of the religions had failed us, but not pointing out negatives, but just positing what could be as a higher vision of world religion. | ||
| It's fascinating to me that even religions that are clearly made up, like where someone has sat out to try to create a religion, you can call it a cult or what have you, but there's ones that they've done that where even though You know that someone invented it. | ||
| It still has a positive impact in those people. | ||
| So it's almost like even creating a fake religion, if done the right way, imparts some sort of state of consciousness. | ||
| I think there's a problem with that. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, I definitely think there's a problem with that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Stuff based on falsehoods are not really religion, to me. | ||
| The real religion It has to do with direct contact with God. | ||
| And then it comes out through these stories, and the validity of any of the world religions is through the direct contact. | ||
| But I know people that are Mormons that have benefited tremendously from being Mormon. | ||
| I mean, I know some really nice, friendly people, and a lot of that is attributed to their faith, which brings them to these churches and these communities. | ||
| But that thing was created by a 14-year-old boy who said he found golden tablets that were the lost work of Jesus. | ||
| That is something that was created by bullshit, but it seems to be helping those people. | ||
| It might have been a dream. | ||
| Just like when you see picture images that are spelling out something to you. | ||
| To him, as either a liar or a visionary, was given this alchemical symbol. | ||
| It united the symbolism of alchemy, of Christianity. | ||
| And of Native Americans. | ||
| Now, this is a unique synthesis. | ||
| This is what Joseph Smith did? | ||
| Yeah, Joseph. | ||
| Well, iconographically, right? | ||
| The chameleon, the tablets. | ||
| You could go back to Hermes Trismegistus, the emerald tablets. | ||
| Or you could look at the tablets of the Jewish, you know, Moses tablets. | ||
| You could look at... | ||
| So there's the Rosetta Stone, all of these... | ||
| Written in stone is a very powerful symbol. | ||
| And the chameleon that doesn't burn, it's an alchemical symbol. | ||
| So, to us, the iconography, the icon of written and tablet, is almost like all sort of profound ideas will come in that form, or many will come in that form, because it represents, almost in our DNA, it represents something of significance. | ||
| Well, those aligned with this vision, this higher vision, granted an American vision. | ||
| This was like one of the earliest religions along with spiritualism born in America. | ||
| Now there's a differentiation because you have your Middle Eastern which is mostly everything comes out of there and you go a little to the side and to India and it didn't happen over here to our knowledge. | ||
| Of course the native people We're wise beyond anyone, but no one was listening to them. | ||
| No one took them seriously because they were all heathens, and so they were murdered. | ||
| We moved to an awesome, awesome place upstate, Hudson Valley, the town of Wappinger. | ||
| And the Wappinger people, 400 years ago, peopled the east side of the river all the way down to Manhattan. | ||
| There were, you know, loosely federated tribes. | ||
| And you knew that, because you're from Jersey, the The Hudson River used to be called the Mohicanituk before Henry Hudson. | ||
| Whoa. | ||
| The Mohicanituk. | ||
| That's way cooler. | ||
| Listen to what it means. | ||
| Listen to what it means. | ||
| That the great flow that goes both ways. | ||
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Ooh. | |
| Because it's a tidal river. | ||
| It's a moon river. | ||
| It is pulled back and forth all the way up to Wappinger. | ||
| Why would they want to change that name? | ||
| It's so beautiful. | ||
| Because Henry Hudson put his big dick in history. | ||
| Henry Hudson changed it himself? | ||
| Well, he got it changed. | ||
| Well, he did establish the white folk in there, and there were a few friendly exchanges between Hudson and the Wappinger. | ||
| Some of the very first encounters with Native people were the Wappinger with Hudson, and he reports on it. | ||
| And there was a There was an unfortunate incident where his men had killed some, you know, just in fear. | ||
| And they kind of were forgiving for one night, and I think they all got drunk. | ||
| And then, like, a war ensued. | ||
| Over a hundred years the entire tribe was like wiped out. | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| And it was the genocide of a people practically and they fragmented this beautiful people. | ||
| It was over a hundred years? | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
| It was relentless. | ||
| And so the last time we're driven out like the Scioto Trail, the Trail of Tears, and I heard like this Native American brother came to us after we acquired this land in Wappinger because he felt it was always holy to the Wappingers. | ||
| And so, you know, we put a big cairn to honor the Wappinger spirit. | ||
| And he talked about what happened to the Wappinger and how they were walked out through Ohio. | ||
| They had to march, you know, and as they were going through Ohio, they passed right down High Street from where I was born. | ||
| You were born on High Street? | ||
| That's where I'm from. | ||
| No, no, in Columbus, Ohio. | ||
| Yeah, that's where I'm from. | ||
| High Street. | ||
| And so I put a self-portrait, like as one of my crazy-ass art projects, you know, really early on. | ||
| I used to work for a billboard, the billboard place. | ||
| And I said, please let me do this. | ||
| It's a dead board anyway. | ||
| Nobody cares. | ||
| It's on High Street. | ||
| And it was a self-portrait, but with half my hair shaved. | ||
| But it was a huge billboard kind of thing, but with this head, very ambiguous. | ||
| Like, what is that? | ||
| And so High Street was the Trail of Tears. | ||
| And at that point, Evan said that A number of the Delaware Indians began to absorb the brothers and sisters of the Wappingers so that they found a solace there. | ||
| And there was something very interesting about the Delaware Indians was that they had a particular kind of haircut that was only for the warriors. | ||
| In order to keep their bow out of the hair, it was cut in half. | ||
| The side was shaved bald and the other half was long. | ||
| Here's the billboard, actually. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I'm from Worthington. | ||
| Holy crap. | ||
| High Street in Worthington. | ||
| Hey, neighbor, how you doing? | ||
| I used to live in Clintonville and everything. | ||
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Wow. | |
| A lot of people are from Columbus. | ||
| It's funny. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| We've run into so many people from Ohio. | ||
| Yeah, Maynard's from Ohio, I guess, too. | ||
| Yeah, that's wild, man. | ||
| So you didn't even know that when you did it? | ||
| Hell no. | ||
| I had to move to Wappinger to find that out. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| What a sad, sad story. | ||
| And, you know, we spend so little time thinking about the culture of the people that lived here before us. | ||
| It's so fascinating. | ||
| The journey on foot. | ||
| We want to honor them. | ||
| And, you know, just say what remarkable and wonderful people that they were. | ||
| Could you imagine, I mean, I'm sure you have imagined, because you live on this property, have you thought about what it must have been like to live there as them before the white man arrived? | ||
| It must have been amazing. | ||
| It must have been like Avatar. | ||
| Except no flying dragons. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| And no tail sacks. | ||
| I bet a lot of it was like, I mean, they were literally living off the land, and they knew how to do it, and they were sustainable. | ||
| And they had great reverence for the land they lived on. | ||
| I mean, they were missing a lot of inventions that Western man had, but man, I bet they were pretty fucking happy for the most part. | ||
| I was in Disneyland yesterday, man. | ||
| There is a disturbing trend of people getting so fat that they have to be wheeled around. | ||
| Did you see South Park last week? | ||
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No. | |
| They did the whole thing about that, man. | ||
| You will fucking go crazy. | ||
| Dude, I will go crazy because it was weird. | ||
| It was weird. | ||
| There weren't injuries. | ||
| There weren't injured people. | ||
| They were just, or if they were fucking injured, it was from being fat. | ||
| These people were enormous, and they were pushing them around. | ||
| There was these little scooter things taking them everywhere. | ||
| I guess the morbidly obese have not had a proper vehicle in the past. | ||
| Perhaps. | ||
| It's a tap-out vehicle. | ||
| They give up. | ||
| They just give up on life. | ||
| Like, fog it. | ||
| I'm just going to scoot around. | ||
| There's so many of them, man. | ||
| I mean, it wasn't... | ||
| I don't remember seeing this when I was younger. | ||
| I don't remember seeing these numbers of morbidly obese people on motor scooters where they literally have stopped walking. | ||
| Like, that's too painful or they're too big to walk. | ||
| What has numbed people to the point where that is an acceptable behavior? | ||
| Is it the kind of crap that fast food has gone to? | ||
| Certainly part of it. | ||
| What do you think? | ||
| There's certainly an issue with the human body becoming addicted to unhealthy foods. | ||
| Look, me, myself, I struggle with cheeseburgers and fries. | ||
| I love them. | ||
| They're so delicious. | ||
| But I know it's super unhealthy. | ||
| But I try to limit it and I put really healthy food in between that some people don't do that They don't and if you don't you can get caught up in this addiction cycle with shit food Yeah, I mean if you're if you know everybody who does that ought to read that old report, you know Yeah, yeah Yeah. | ||
| That's certainly a good thing to read. | ||
| But I mean, it is weird. | ||
| The numbness is a good way to describe it. | ||
| Because you just keep eating and you don't see it. | ||
| You don't freak out. | ||
| It's like somehow, slowly but surely, you just get to this insane point. | ||
| Well, I mean, I love Walt Disney. | ||
| To me, he's an extraordinary artist. | ||
| And look at the... | ||
| Amazing industry that's grown up around, and the breakthroughs in motion picture technology, all kinds of things. | ||
| Nature films, you know, they used to really deeply... | ||
| And UBI Works, they finally are acknowledging his authorship basically of Mickey Mouse and things like that. | ||
| So I think that they're an awesome organization that has tried to grow in a beautiful way and in a way a kind of the most generous representation of the cherry on top of American culture or something. | ||
| At the same time, you really wonder, what does it actually mean? | ||
| What is the religion of Disneyism teaching us? | ||
| Is it something about... | ||
| A passive observation of reality and to kind of delight us with spectacles of our sort of delusional understanding of certain things or is it actually playing an important kind of moral role? | ||
| And I think that for the most part, you know, it's been a very benign to very positive organization, I think. | ||
| And as a And as art, it's unparalleled. | ||
| They do have some amazing cartoons. | ||
| Stop and think about it, like The Sorcerer. | ||
| What was that first one called? | ||
| Oh, The Sorcerer's Apprentice? | ||
| The Sorcerer's Apprentice. | ||
| What an amazing, amazing piece of work. | ||
| Extraordinary. | ||
| And if you really stop and think about the time in which that was released, I mean, there was nothing like it before. | ||
| It was so groundbreaking. | ||
| It's hard for people to really understand. | ||
| Was it the 1930s? | ||
| Is that when that was? | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Look, the rides are amazing. | ||
| My kids have an awesome time. | ||
| I love Disneyland. | ||
| I'm just freaking out about humans. | ||
| First of all, the fact that Disneyland is so packed. | ||
| It's crazy! | ||
| It's so many human beings in one area. | ||
| It's incredible. | ||
| But you know what? | ||
| It's like Mecca for Americans. | ||
| Is there anything else more Mecca-like? | ||
| In America. | ||
| Mall of America, maybe? | ||
| But not really. | ||
| No, Disneyland is the spot. | ||
| Maybe Disney World and Disneyland. | ||
| Those two. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Maybe SeaWorld, but not even. | ||
| No, no. | ||
| Disneyland is really where it's at. | ||
| Yeah, it's incredible. | ||
| And you know what? | ||
| What was really kind of cool about it was there's so many people there. | ||
| I mean, it is insane. | ||
| I never saw one person raise their voice. | ||
| I didn't see one person get angry at their kids. | ||
| I didn't see... | ||
| I mean, for as much as we like to... | ||
| Talk about the negative aspects of humans and man lately on this podcast has really been a bummer. | ||
| We've been having a lot of people like like reporters telling us about corruption and Congress people running for Congress that are telling us about how Fucked up these new bills that are being passed. | ||
| I mean you just over and over again you keep hearing negative shit and we're guilty of it too. | ||
| We were discussing it. | ||
| But when you go to Disneyland you're like all these people get along great. | ||
| Like look what's going on here. | ||
| They promote a positive vision of possibility for all of us and have always emphasized creativity and the imagination as something that is really important. | ||
| It's amazing that they can get that many people to be friendly. | ||
| You never hear about a gang fight breaking out of Disneyland. | ||
| That's what kind of makes me mad with all those protesters in Anaheim who are trying to march towards that. | ||
| I kind of don't like that. | ||
| There's a lot of kids there. | ||
| Just get away from that. | ||
| Yeah, I think they were trying to do that because that would get the maximum amount of attention because no one was paying attention. | ||
| I get it, but don't fuck with that. | ||
| If I had my kids there and you start bringing that to my kids, fuck you. | ||
| Well, okay. | ||
| You shouldn't say fuck you because all they're trying to do was call light to the fact that a kid was murdered by a cop. | ||
| Yeah, but you know what I mean. | ||
| Don't bring it to hurt more. | ||
| Why would you bring protests where people are dressed up in the military towards kids? | ||
| Well, I don't think when they first started doing it, there was no one dressed up in military. | ||
| That happened when they arrived. | ||
| So I think there's a little bit of confusion there on your part there, buddy. | ||
| No, but don't choose Anaheim. | ||
| Yeah, okay, but some things are more important than rides, man. | ||
| Take that off the table. | ||
| Some things are more important than rides and getting people to pay attention. | ||
| Kids are more important than everything. | ||
| Protect kids, right? | ||
| Okay, but listen, I don't think this is hurting the kids. | ||
| I think... | ||
| The only reason, the only violence was being thrown at the protesters. | ||
| The protesters, as far as I know, didn't, and weren't accused of doing anything violent. | ||
| It was the police that were showing up with dogs and shooting rubber bullets, like we saw with Amber Lyon when she was on the podcast. | ||
| They shot rubber bullets at them. | ||
| I know, but unfortunately you know how there's going to be people, especially homeless people, that are joining these kind of protests just to be like, fuck the police, because I saw it at... | ||
| Okay, Brian. | ||
| What's the thing where everyone sat outside? | ||
| Occupy Wall Street? | ||
| Yeah, Occupy LA. When I went there, I was like, there's like a bunch of drunk crackheads. | ||
| That's a little different though. | ||
| Dude, this was a community. | ||
| This particular instance in Anaheim was a community responding to a murder. | ||
| Well, it was violent, you know. | ||
| There was violence in Anaheim. | ||
| There shouldn't be violence anywhere near kids. | ||
| That's what I'm saying. | ||
| Okay, I see what you're saying. | ||
| But I think in this case, they weren't trying to do violence. | ||
| They weren't violent. | ||
| The cops were violent towards them. | ||
| That's the accusation. | ||
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| As far as I understand it. | ||
| I don't know why I just went off in this protest. | ||
| I don't know why you did either. | ||
| You thought about yourself being a little innocent boy. | ||
| Why? | ||
| Because I was thinking about how awesome Disneyland was. | ||
| When Amber was on the last episode, I remember thinking that. | ||
| It is amazing. | ||
| But what I found fascinating about it, one of the things that made me smile when I was there was it really is amazing how well people can get along. | ||
| It's sort of If the right kind of vibes are generated, and Disneyland, it's like the exact right kind of vibe. | ||
| The only thing that sucks is lines. | ||
| And in lines, everybody just kind of laughs and jokes around, and kids play with each other. | ||
| It's not that big a deal. | ||
| They manage lines very well. | ||
| Some kids complain, and they say, look, we're going to have a great time. | ||
| We're going to get on the ride. | ||
| It's going to be fun. | ||
| It's amazing how well people can get along in that sort of environment. | ||
| And people can say, well, that's unrealistic. | ||
| Well, no, it's not unrealistic. | ||
| It's life. | ||
| Disneyland is real. | ||
| And they tried to get along, you know, instead of think that, you know, stepping outside of a place like that, which, you know, say it one way or the other, seems a little more sacred to people. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And that may seem humorous in some ways, but it's because it's focused positive, it's family oriented, it's non-denominational, and can be enjoyed and, you know, by anyone. and can be enjoyed and, you know, by anyone. | ||
| It's a positive place. | ||
| It's fun. | ||
| It's a fun place. | ||
| And it is sacred in that respect. | ||
| It's for children. | ||
| It's like a little religious experience almost. | ||
| It's fun. | ||
| You see them, they have so much fun. | ||
| You see fairies in places. | ||
| You get a taste of the visionary experience. | ||
| That's what they're trying to create. | ||
| It's a fully dynamic pull you into a new way of seeing reality that kind of reorienting experience. | ||
| You know, it's like, oh well, we just want the temples to be like this because they're so exciting and they're so fun and they're Some are a little too threatening, but some are, you know, depending on the age, you know, and so you learn and you can grow and you can go and visit these things and enjoy them with your children. | ||
| It's a wonderful thing. | ||
| Winnie the Pooh is very psychedelic. | ||
| Have you been on the Winnie the Pooh ride? | ||
| No. | ||
| Oh my goodness. | ||
| Winnie the Pooh is, first of all, it's fascinating because my daughter, she's only four, and Winnie the Pooh is like, you get buckled down in this thing, and it's a slow-ass ride. | ||
| So when it's over, she looks at me and she goes, why did we have seatbelts on? | ||
| She was like, this is ridiculous. | ||
| A four-year-old is like, you don't need seatbelts for this. | ||
| This is so stupid. | ||
| Why'd they make us sit down? | ||
| But you go through it, and it's all Winnie tripping. | ||
| Because they do it in the guise of him falling asleep. | ||
| So Winnie is sitting there. | ||
| And then Winnie's ghost is doing flips over him. | ||
| And flips over him. | ||
| Then we enter into this next room, which is supposed to represent Winnie's dreams. | ||
| And it's all neon tiggers knocking them over and honeys everywhere. | ||
| And he's like, this dream's amazing. | ||
| And he's literally in heaven. | ||
| I mean, he's in this wonderful, psychedelic heaven where this, like, tiger who's neon-colored, completely, like, the whole thing is white, you know, black lights. | ||
| It happened in Dumbo. | ||
| Is this it, Brian? | ||
| Look, when you go through it, when Winnie the Pooh has his psychedelic trip, like right when he goes through and he falls asleep, it's so obvious they're like acid-based. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Or mushrooms or something. | ||
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Look at this. | |
| Look, he starts tripping. | ||
| That's cool. | ||
| And then when he comes out of this dream, you know, when he comes out of this falling asleep experience, you see the next crazy room. | ||
| I mean, look at this. | ||
| Winnie the Pooh is tripping his brains off. | ||
| This is a DMT trip. | ||
| Look at this. | ||
| Look at Pink Tigger. | ||
| Neon Pink Tigger. | ||
| Look at this motherfucker with giant orange heads and green arms and honeys floating everywhere. | ||
| What is more psychedelic than this? | ||
| Look at this! | ||
| What the fuck are they trying to say? | ||
| This happens when you sleep? | ||
| Does this happen to you, Ashley? | ||
| I mean, look at this. | ||
| If there's anything that's a psychedelic trip, it is goddamn Winnie the Pooh. | ||
| That should be the next thing. | ||
| Kids taking mushrooms and getting on the Winnie the Pooh ride. | ||
| I bet you would freak the fuck out. | ||
| Just a pot cookie on this thing. | ||
| It's amazing. | ||
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That's great. | |
| Isn't that amazing? | ||
| Wow. | ||
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I mean, that is clearly a psychedelic experience. | |
| So this is a walkthrough? | ||
| No, you're strapped in. | ||
| Yeah, that's why my daughter was trying to explain. | ||
| Awesome. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| So it's a little bit like intestines or something. | ||
| Like you're being digested in his imagination. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And then he poops you out at the end. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He poops you out, saying, nope, psych, we're normal. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| No more trips. | ||
| The human-animal fusion is an archetype that's tens of thousands of years old. | ||
| What do you think that is? | ||
| What's the ayahuasca human-animal anthropomorphic being? | ||
| Well, there they were, standing up like human beings, kind of. | ||
| And your association with them was person-to-person, in a way. | ||
| But they represent the character of that. | ||
| You know, in a more humanoid, anthropomorphic, talking kind of way. | ||
| So that spirit, in a sense, can speak to you. | ||
| Like you could be in contact with other animal spirits, but they would communicate to you in a certain language that you could understand. | ||
| And so always, I think, the shamans had been able to have relations with these spirit beings. | ||
| And some of the earliest cave art, actually, of male figures are so-called sorcerers, like the Sorcerer of Troifere, And it is a horned kind of deer type being that is also a man. | ||
| Clearly, it's got a penis. | ||
| And so, it's a fusion. | ||
| Is there images of it online? | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Brian, can you find that? | ||
| The Sorcerer of Troy, T-R-O-I-S, and then new word, Frere, T-R-E-R-E-S. Did you get that? | ||
| Don't guess if you didn't get it. | ||
| Of Troy Frere. | ||
| What do you think that is? | ||
| Do you think that these are real beings that these people are coming in contact with through psychedelic experiences? | ||
| It's possible, you know. | ||
| Or it's a portrait of the sorcerer that is an integration of human and animal qualities. | ||
| Now this is an enhanced... | ||
| Version of it looks very similar to that, but it's on the side of a cave. | ||
| And so they would go into the caves. | ||
| See if you can find the real one, Brian. | ||
| That's what they did is they traced it. | ||
| So you can see what it actually looks like. | ||
| That's still amazing. | ||
| Isn't it? | ||
| How old is that? | ||
| There you go. | ||
| So the archetype. | ||
| Wow, that's the real one. | ||
| That's amazing. | ||
| That is amazing. | ||
| It tells you quite a few things. | ||
| It tells you the shamanic, you know, x-ray vision. | ||
| That is an ancient kind of quality of vision that sometimes you appear to be able to see through to the lifeline or to the underlayment of the fabric of the body, of the physical body, to another kind of body. | ||
| It's mostly the fusion of the human and animal archetype. | ||
| You can see he's got a Johnson down there. | ||
| I love his eyes. | ||
| Yeah, I know. | ||
| Isn't he awesome? | ||
| He's completely awesome. | ||
| Oh, he does. | ||
| Yeah, look at that. | ||
| Yeah, I got the business. | ||
| Swinging backwards. | ||
| You like my tail? | ||
| Yeah, he's like letting you know. | ||
| Yeah, right, I know. | ||
| But he's not hard, so he's not needy. | ||
| No, no, exactly. | ||
| He's not needy. | ||
| In fact, I can look behind. | ||
| What a strange little penis. | ||
| Yeah, very strange. | ||
| Look at that. | ||
| What is that? | ||
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Negative. | |
| Look at that sweet ditty. | ||
| That's a weird little penis. | ||
| It looks like a little mushroom. | ||
| Maybe it's a little poo. | ||
| Maybe it is. | ||
| It's a mushroom up his ass. | ||
| Could be. | ||
| Mushroom coming out of his ass. | ||
| That's controlling his mind. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| So that is, I'm sorry, how old? | ||
| Can you look at, check the date? | ||
| I think it's at least 16,000. | ||
| 16,000 years old. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, the most stable civilizations, I think, were from, the earliest work of art that I know of is this amazing picture, I'm sure you've seen it, of this goddess that made out of mammoth ivory. | ||
| And it looks like Dolly Parton or something. | ||
| It's an amazing buxom goddess. | ||
| And it's so archetypal. | ||
| 40,000 years ago, okay. | ||
| So they were still having these figurines like the Venus of Willendorf and things like that tens of thousands of years later. | ||
| Now there isn't a civilization on earth that was more stable than the goddess worshiping cultures. | ||
| They were agricultural, they were stable, sustainable relationships with nature. | ||
| Is it just that human beings get to a certain level of technological proficiency and then they just start to fuck each other up really easily and that's when things go awry? | ||
| Well, I think that there was a remarkable breakthrough in human consciousness that led to a cerebral kind of fire of intelligence that led people to begin to write. | ||
| And to write in such a way that they could commune with the gods. | ||
| The earliest books were all religious texts. | ||
| You know, 6,000 years ago, the Vedic hymns, the Rig Veda. | ||
| And you know, that's got references to Soma, the most ancient of these psychedelic cultures. | ||
| Better than Brahma, better than Indra. | ||
| Exactly, and connects us with the immortality and the infinite. | ||
| No one knows, by the way, what Soma was, correct? | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Now, a lot of different people have different conjectures. | ||
| I have no idea, but it was clearly a kind of It's an entheogenic sacrament that allowed people access to the realm of the divine. | ||
| One of the things that McKenna said, Terence McKenna said, that was so fascinating to me, and so when you really stop and think about the history of human culture and psychedelic usages, how could something that was so powerful, where they talked about it with great reverence in their scripts, how could that have gone away? | ||
| How could people have forgotten what that is? | ||
| I mean, it's amazing. | ||
| Well, we're very distractible and we're not certain about the game that we're in. | ||
| Is it an ego game or does love win the day? | ||
| And can you find your own personal connection with the creative source? | ||
| And if your life is an opportunity for your soul to read the tea leaves of your reality and See whether it's in alignment with your heart's purpose. | ||
| I mean, that's one of the other great reasons that entheogens or sacraments or meditation or yoga and meditation or any of many different ways of accessing the imaginal realms. | ||
| I mean, making art is that to me. | ||
| And so, as a spiritual practice... | ||
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Thank you. | |
| As a spiritual practice, I think it has much in common with prayer. | ||
| If your artwork is in service of love and truth and goodness and beauty, and that would birth a new kind of sacred art, as well as the access, | ||
| the now verifiable and repeatable access to the visionary dimensions provided by entheogens, which has happened in numerous cultures including the Greek culture, We have the foundation of Eastern civilization in the Vedic hymns mentioning a psychedelic. | ||
| Then we look at the Greek tradition and the Eleusinian mysteries, also a 1,200-year-old religion and civilization. | ||
| Really, pretty long time. | ||
| Actually, for civilizations. | ||
| And very profoundly important. | ||
| And all the philosophers that we're familiar with, Plato and Aristotle and Socrates, would have been initiates in the Eleusinian mysteries. | ||
| And so these great thinkers that formed the foundation of Western civilization had all taken a psychedelic and enabled them to commune with the gods and with the ideals. | ||
| That's why Socrates' whole platonic forms that he talks about, the ideal realms that he describes, are him clearly in contact with a visionary reality. | ||
| One of the most famous tales about Socrates is he walking across this square like he did every day and he stopped. | ||
| In the middle of the square he just started talking and arguing with this daemon, he called it, his daemon. | ||
| And this was this visionary being that he communed with and had a day-long 24-hour exchange with in the middle of the public square What? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| He was crazy. | ||
| He was high as fuck. | ||
| He was crazy. | ||
| He might have just come back from the Eleusinian mysteries, my friend. | ||
| Isn't it amazing if you would arrest him today, if someone did that in New York City? | ||
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Yeah, they would. | |
| But they knew he was frickin' Socrates. | ||
| Right, they already knew. | ||
| Give him space. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And, of course, well, you know how he wound up. | ||
| You know, he was martyred. | ||
| You know, they didn't want him around. | ||
| You know, corruption of the youth. | ||
| And so he had to drink this poison. | ||
| Didn't he have sex with a bunch of young boys? | ||
| Wasn't that also part of his thing? | ||
| You could say, where's the verification? | ||
| And where's the notion that that wasn't something that was mutual? | ||
| And where's to say that some of the gay artists weren't the greatest in art history? | ||
| Like Michelangelo, like Leonardo. | ||
| Does their gayness suddenly make them bad? | ||
| I don't care if they did fuck. | ||
| No, it certainly doesn't. | ||
| But, you know, it might be an interesting sidebar about history. | ||
| Well, that's what I was getting at. | ||
| What was different about life back then that was a really common thing, that men would have sex with young boys? | ||
| And even if it was a mutual thing... | ||
| Where it comes into question is when, obviously, when you're talking about really young people, you can't really have a mutual sort of agreement. | ||
| You know, if you look at the ideals that Socrates spoke of, you know, of truth and goodness and beauty, and being in contact with the ideal realms where you commune with these, you know, angels, and you get communication from the highest. | ||
| You don't go about Messing like that. | ||
| That happens at the kind of perversion of, you know, what the intention of God is, I believe. | ||
| But in terms of reaching, you know, like, he was a just, he was interested in what was just. | ||
| You know, he wasn't interested in molestation. | ||
| So you feel that those are just false charges against him? | ||
| I have no idea. | ||
| How are you going to prove these things? | ||
| Yeah, how would you? | ||
| You know, what we like to do is trash all of our heroes to make them as low as possible. | ||
| So that you have no hope about human character. | ||
| And I think that's shame. | ||
| I did not look at it that way when I heard this and read this. | ||
| I kept hearing about this in many, many civilizations. | ||
| I mean, obviously the Greeks were famous for it. | ||
| The Romans were famous for it as well. | ||
| And my point was merely that was sexuality viewed as a completely different thing than the way we view it today? | ||
| Probably. | ||
| Yeah, I think it's more that than a molestation thing. | ||
| I think we're very repressed, whether we believe it or not. | ||
| And I'm not saying you should start having sex with young people, but we're incredibly repressed when it comes to sexuality. | ||
| I suppose. | ||
| And I wonder if back then it was just the ideal was different. | ||
| Literally, the way you thought of life was different. | ||
| And I think it's very hard for people... | ||
| I think you're right. | ||
| I think you're right. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I think it's very hard for people to wrap their heads around that, especially if it comes to something as controversial as sex with young people. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| It's still... | ||
| You have to be objective when you... | ||
| Look at different... | ||
| If you're an anthropological kind of fan... | ||
| And you really look at different world cultures. | ||
| Well, yes, you can see they've all got one head, two arms, two legs in general, and have two sexes, and come in a variety of colors and things. | ||
| But there are many different cultural practices that work uniquely for each little niche of human civilization or culture. | ||
| And it's astonishing, really. | ||
| Yeah, it's... | ||
| And it's different in different chronology, I'm sorry, in different times. | ||
| You know, oh, we believed this then, and then now we don't do bloodletting so much anymore, you know? | ||
| Well, I don't... | ||
| How fascinating are you by the Maya and the Mayan culture, and if there was ever a culture so severely obviously impacted by psychedelics? | ||
| Yeah, that's really true. | ||
| It's like the whole culture... | ||
| I went to Chichen Itza, and I had a really educated guide. | ||
| It was a guy who was a local professor who took us around, and he talked more openly than I've ever heard anybody talk, because I didn't even ask him. | ||
| He started talking about the psychedelic drug rituals that they would have, and where they would have them, and he explained. | ||
| Was it chocolate and mushrooms? | ||
| I don't know what it was. | ||
| I believe it was teononocotl, which was the flesh of the gods. | ||
| And they mixed the chocolate and the mushrooms, which is done to this day. | ||
| It's delicious. | ||
| And chocolate is so good for you, too, by the way. | ||
| I like Mayan. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You've never had, people don't ever have raw cocoa, raw chocolate especially. | ||
| It's super high in antioxidants. | ||
| Well, psilocybin has also gotten the... | ||
| I think the greatest endorsement from the scientific community. | ||
| The Johns Hopkins study? | ||
| Yes, of course. | ||
| And Rowan Griffiths, and confirming basically the same discovery from the Good Friday experiment. | ||
| Maybe you can talk some sense to my friend Brian then. | ||
| Because my friend Brian has done mushrooms a bunch of times and he doesn't see any transformative nature to the drug. | ||
| He thinks you should just take and go watch movies. | ||
| Well, I think the first time you take it, it definitely opens up something in your brain. | ||
| It makes you look at things different, but that will always stay open. | ||
| But I don't think any time I take mushrooms from now on... | ||
| It might be something positive and I might gain something from it. | ||
| But a week or two later, I'm not thinking about that one trip I did two weeks ago and how much it's changed my life. | ||
| I'm more like, alright, what's going on? | ||
| Moving on. | ||
| You haven't properly integrated it then, my friend. | ||
| Because an actually dousing of one's consciousness into the infinite... | ||
| It's well worth considering about how it relates to your everyday reality. | ||
| And what does it say? | ||
| What is the nature of consciousness? | ||
| Who are you, ultimately? | ||
| And what does God want of you? | ||
| Basically. | ||
| And I believe that your entire life is basically an expression of that. | ||
| You know, it's a natural thing. | ||
| That's why we call, you know, art our religion or creativity in any form is this sacred thing. | ||
| And because it's an expression of ourself, this unique lens through which the creative spirit passes. | ||
| Not him. | ||
| It's Wizard of Oz on mushrooms with Pink Floyd synced up. | ||
| It's not like that. | ||
| That's the cartoon level, man. | ||
| If you have any interest in this, don't trip again until you read Stan Grof's work. | ||
| He's not reading shit. | ||
| Well, you see, if you want to get the most out of an experience like that, a real opportunity to drop into Infinite Love, where you and God Become one. | ||
| You know, you meet your own God self. | ||
| It is possible. | ||
| But, in Roland Griffith's study, it was those who actually were interested in contact with spiritual reality, who had an intention about it. | ||
| Spiritually inclined people were the ones who were opened up 65% of the time. | ||
| Now, each of them thought it was a positive experience. | ||
| Not all of them got all the way to the mystical experience. | ||
| But the mystical experience is something pretty well defined. | ||
| And once a person actually has that experience, it's affirmative. | ||
| It's so affirmative that you reorient your life to relate to it. | ||
| And it may not change your outer appearance. | ||
| Of your life, but it may empower it in some way with hope and, you know, new kind of creative dreams that, you know, where's your creative flow coming from? | ||
| It's not just cash flow. | ||
| It's got to be, you know, connected with whatever you feel like your creative spirit is. | ||
| You know, I have no problem with the word God, but a lot of people have. | ||
| Trouble with that, but I think that it's a legitimate way of thinking of your relationship with a spiritual reality. | ||
| Just to play devil's advocate, only so that we could answer the question, when you talk about these people that wanted to have this experience and then had the 65% of them, I mean, how much of what we're talking about is real? | ||
| And when you go into it with good intentions to have some sort of a visionary experience, how much of it is your imagination? | ||
| How much of it is your imagination acting with a hallucinogenic drug to produce this euphoric state that you think is visionary contact or some sort of spiritual contact? | ||
| And how much of it could just be your imagination mixed with drugs? | ||
| And this is what you were looking for, so your imagination created it for you. | ||
| And I'm not saying that that is bad or good, because I have a feeling, as I get older, this makes more and more sense, even though it's harder and harder to talk about. | ||
| I have a feeling that things are neither real nor not real. | ||
| I have a feeling that the way we try to define things in such simple terms... | ||
| I don't necessarily think that the imagination is not real. | ||
| I think the imagination has some sort of weird impact. | ||
| The mind and intention and the creativity has some sort of a weird impact on reality. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| That is the evolutionary edge of reality. | ||
| The creative spirit is evolution in action. | ||
| Is that weirdly defined when you use the word God? | ||
| Weirdly defined? | ||
| That's God's paintbrush, you know? | ||
| Who created all this? | ||
| Not you or me, you know? | ||
| How much of all of the spectacle of reality did we really have a part in creating? | ||
| Right, but when you say it, when you're saying God, I completely agree with you that that is the most beautiful way to describe God. | ||
| And probably the most, if there is some sort of an overwhelming power to this... | ||
| The creative force. | ||
| They all describe the sacred reality as a creative force. | ||
| And at the first moment, you know, and it's the declaration, let there be light. | ||
| Let there be, you know, it's the positive affirmation of the creation. | ||
| You know, like, what is it? | ||
| 13.7 billion years ago, there was an affirmation that took place. | ||
| And we're the living result of it. | ||
| The evolutionary wave has brought us to this moment. | ||
| And it's an awesome, awesome thing, if you really look at it. | ||
| You know, four billion years of evolution on Earth, practically. | ||
| And from blue-green algae to human beings gibbering at each other on a radio podcast. | ||
| Holy... | ||
| And we are to the future, just like amoebas are to us. | ||
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Absolutely. | |
| No question about it. | ||
| Tiny. | ||
| My question was, when I said, does it weirdly define it, to use the word God? | ||
| Because the word God, to a lot of people, does not mean that. | ||
| To a lot of people, and probably most of the world, the word God means a deity who created the earth and did it with certain intentions and has rules that you have to follow or there will be repercussions. | ||
| It's a completely different kind of God than what you're describing. | ||
| Well, if one would give themselves the pleasure of being introduced to the various faces of God, you know, to expand their minds beyond any dogma. | ||
| Don't really submit to the authority of any religious dogma until you've examined reality. | ||
| And it has to jibe with science. | ||
| You know, we have awesome tools now for actually analyzing reality. | ||
| Yeah, we can measure shit. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So don't leave that out or discount it or anything like that. | ||
| And so it has to have a sense of justice, all the rest of the things that religion has always had. | ||
| And that's why if we enacted our creative spirits in the service of love, And that's what happens at Disneyland. | ||
| You see that there's a lot of love in families. | ||
| To come what may, and they yell at each other, and they don't get along, and they're bitter and whatnot, but maybe for a few hours they can suspend themselves and just delight in being together, having a visionary experience. | ||
| It's a kind of a drop-down visionary experience that takes you outside of yourself. | ||
| You get pulled in. | ||
| You lose your ego for a moment and join in a collective imaginal experience. | ||
| And by the way, ladies and gentlemen, if you're playing the Joe Rogan Experience drinking game and you drink every time someone says the word experience today, you're dead. | ||
| You're not going to make it. | ||
| Don't play this game. | ||
| Shots! | ||
| Stop it. | ||
| Don't play this game. | ||
| My just point was that the word God has already, it's like, to so many people. | ||
| I absolutely agree that your definition... | ||
| Our concept of God must evolve, okay? | ||
| It can't be stuck in a fundamentalist definition, just like our definition of religion. | ||
| As Bob Jesse, my dear friend who counsels on spiritual practices, he said, Alex, you know, there's a primary religious experience. | ||
| And then there's everything else, you know. | ||
| And so the primary religious experience was this contacting. | ||
| With the divine. | ||
| And that was at the heart. | ||
| The mystic... | ||
| Every one of these worlds... | ||
| We said Eastern and Western civilization started with psychedelic reality. | ||
| Okay, then look through all the major world religions. | ||
| They all started with this visionary experience. | ||
| Moses sees a burning bush. | ||
| Would the guy next to him have seen it burning? | ||
| I don't think so. | ||
| It was his neurons that were burning. | ||
| He was ignited with this voice of God and with this experience of this fire, not unlike Joseph Smith's fire, a fire which is a visionary fire. | ||
| Do you know that Jerusalem scholars have recently started attributing that to a psychedelic experience? | ||
| Yes! | ||
| Awesome! | ||
| There's actually science behind it, apparently. | ||
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Yeah! | |
| The acacia tree is a very high content of DMT. DMT! Yeah, and then that bush, the acacia bush, it's very common in that area. | ||
| Burning bush, he talks to God, he finds out how men should live together. | ||
| Holy shit, the DMT trip was the foundation of this Jewish... | ||
| Completely makes sense. | ||
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Messiah. | |
| Totally. | ||
| What was the manna growing out there, man? | ||
| It's a good question. | ||
| Was that the growing on the sacred calf that they were worshipping? | ||
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Because, like, hey, man, we eat the stuff that grows out of their poop, you know? | |
| Well, yeah, I mean, no question. | ||
| Not just that cows were worshipped because of that. | ||
| They didn't eat them because they were worshipping them. | ||
| Because they created... | ||
| These mushrooms that let them communicate with God. | ||
| There can be no clearer... | ||
| When you're talking about poor people in India, there can be no clearer example of an entheogen being a connection to God that you literally don't kill these animals that you could use for food. | ||
| You literally starve. | ||
| But you do milk them. | ||
| And it's of interdependent, kind of symbiotic... | ||
| Positivity, you know, for each one. | ||
| And there's a friendship that develops between the creature world and the human world. | ||
| This sense of camaraderie with the creature world, but in her case, the actual creature, in Disneyland... | ||
| We don't experience these creatures all the time. | ||
| We live in the cities. | ||
| We forget about our connection with the creatures. | ||
| And so a trip to Disneyland may remind you, even if in an anthropomized way, but they have really been working on that too. | ||
| They'll go down and open a zoo element and try to care for animals because they're part of the human story. | ||
| The animals are... | ||
| Branches on the evolutionary tree that we're in relationship with in this mighty evolutionary patchwork that is the mycelium of consciousness on the earth that runs through everybody. | ||
| It is pretty fascinating in that we have, I mean, humans, for the most part, think of animals. | ||
| You think of your dog, your cat, and then some shit that's in a cage somewhere that you can go stare at. | ||
| Or something that you can watch on a DVD. But it really is fascinating when you stop and think about the vast majority of animals on this planet are not us. | ||
| This is not our planet. | ||
| We are on this thing. | ||
| We've just figured out how to build these really stunning structures that keep them out for the most part. | ||
| But even that, they've been spotting coyotes in Manhattan lately. | ||
| They've had several coyote spottings in Manhattan. | ||
| Wonderful. | ||
| Those are the shamans. | ||
| Coyotes are? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| They're cat eaters. | ||
| That's what they are. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And rat eaters maybe and stuff. | ||
| That's true too. | ||
| They're coming in for help, you know. | ||
| And it's interesting to see who thrives and who declines in the animal populations in these areas. | ||
| Really difficult times, I'm afraid, we're going through. | ||
| Mostly caused by humans. | ||
| As far as, like, the polluting of the earth? | ||
| Yes, of course. | ||
| And the heating up of the atmosphere and the political suicide. | ||
| And, you know, it's like... | ||
| I feel like it's the mighty mission of art to try and uplift humanity beyond its self-destruction. | ||
| You know, this is why... | ||
| All creators need to really consider the ethical stand that they're taking in their culture and not just be like soldiers of fortune. | ||
| If you're selling your soul that cheaply, you know, if you're not taking people to some kind of creative source and positive force, That is at the heart of their own creative spirit. | ||
| If you're not trying to ignite and uplift people's souls, what are you doing? | ||
| Why are you doing it? | ||
| What about people that would just try to be entertaining? | ||
| Is that uplifting someone's soul? | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| It might be. | ||
| Is it always at the expense of someone? | ||
| Are we always making fun of people? | ||
| Is that the highest that we can reach for in terms of our... | ||
| I mean, it doesn't hurt to disarm Our kind of pompousness, you know, to try and knock down everybody. | ||
| I think that there's positivity in that, you know, so that we're, you know, less, you know, pompous. | ||
| Some of my favorite humor is people getting shit on. | ||
| Yeah, of course. | ||
| So do I. And we love the drama, too. | ||
| Like Kinnison. | ||
| Oh, he's amazing. | ||
| And my friend Joey Diaz would just yell at people for serving them ranch dressing. | ||
| It's very negative. | ||
| But it's hilarious. | ||
| It stirs things up. | ||
| But it's fiction. | ||
| It's like watching a movie with fake violence in it. | ||
| It's like watching people get killed by werewolves. | ||
| It doesn't really freak me out because there's no werewolves and it's not real. | ||
| I enjoy it. | ||
| It's fun. | ||
| It's just a silly created piece of art. | ||
| It's a ride. | ||
| It's obviously at somebody's expense. | ||
| That guy who fucked up and went in the basement, that guy gets it. | ||
| But I still enjoy it. | ||
| What does it feed in them? | ||
| What does it feed in comedy? | ||
| What does it feed in the human soul? | ||
| Well, it gives the human soul an escape for a short amount of time and gets them to think about how ridiculous something someone just said, even if it's really negative, how preposterous and ridiculous it is, especially done in the form of stand-up comedy. | ||
| For me, I just enjoy it as an art form. | ||
| I enjoy offensive comedy as an art form. | ||
| I enjoy Andrew Dice Clay. | ||
| I think he's hilarious. | ||
| I treat him like I treat a band that I enjoy. | ||
| I like what they're doing. | ||
| I like what they're doing. | ||
| It's fun for me. | ||
| It's a work of art. | ||
| It's certainly not if I wanted to talk to him as a human being and that was what his point of view on life represented. | ||
| No, he's saying a bunch of shit that is really silly. | ||
| And he's doing it in this character because he knows it's funny. | ||
| He knows what he's doing. | ||
| He knows how to make you laugh. | ||
| And there's a big difference between that and it representing his life philosophy, representing who he is as a person. | ||
| It's art. | ||
| We need stand-up philosophers. | ||
| Yeah, we do and we don't. | ||
| We also just need comedy. | ||
| You're right. | ||
| There's plenty of philosophizing going on in this podcast. | ||
| If I applied this amount of philosophy to my stand-up, no one would show up. | ||
| People would go to sleep. | ||
| After a while... | ||
| To command someone's attention for an hour and ten minutes, you have to be funny. | ||
| And you have to work on being funny. | ||
| There's a certain amount of philosophy that people will accept. | ||
| And a certain amount... | ||
| That if you're trying to get a point across, you have to throw in. | ||
| You really have to explain to people where you're coming from. | ||
| But the beautiful thing about the podcast is, when I was younger, I always thought one day I would have a message as a comic. | ||
| My comedy was so juvenile and ridiculous, and a lot of it was about sex and stupid shit. | ||
| I was like, well, someday I'll evolve my comedy to the point where it's got a message. | ||
| Because I admired certain comics that had that. | ||
| But then, as I got older, and especially as I started doing the podcast, that became less and less interesting to me. | ||
| I don't want to hear your point of view through stand-up. | ||
| It's just the same way I don't want to hear a complex idea described through a song. | ||
| I want you to tell me what you're really thinking and explain to me with all the words possible in the most descriptive and intricate and objective and subjective way possible. | ||
| I want you to explain it to me with your own words. | ||
| You do that just through stand-up. | ||
| It's a limited medium. | ||
| It's not what it's for. | ||
| It's for cracking jokes. | ||
| It's for making people laugh. | ||
| And if it's at someone's expense, the way I feel like, it's tough shit. | ||
| You should be able to take the hit. | ||
| You should be laughing about this instead of feeling so serious about it. | ||
| Not only that, I don't think it's good to enforce the idea that people should be so fucking sensitive when it comes to people communicating about them. | ||
| I think there's far too many people that get butt hurt too easy in this country, in this world, in this universe. | ||
| I think we have to be able to make fun of things and you have to be able to laugh at your own self. | ||
| And when you say, oh, is it someone else's expense? | ||
| Sometimes they need that shit. | ||
| Some people are ridiculous. | ||
| And some people look for every fucking opportunity to cry or be negative or whine about shit or do something stupid. | ||
| And those people, I think culturally it's important To knock them down. | ||
| It's important. | ||
| It's important to all laugh together. | ||
| It's important for them because if they're doing ridiculous behavior and you highlight that ridiculous behavior, it benefits them because now they get a chance to see that, oh, everybody thinks I'm a fucking dummy. | ||
| That's part of how... | ||
| We evolve consciousness by becoming conscious of something that appears to be a wrongdoing. | ||
| And if they can't accept that, all they're doing is dragging their heels behind the evolution train. | ||
| That's what they're doing. | ||
| They're kicking at the dirt trying to slow down the train. | ||
| They don't want to evolve themselves. | ||
| So they don't want to have anything... | ||
| Because if you're making fun of them unjustly, guess what? | ||
| It won't be funny. | ||
| If there's no truth to your words... | ||
| It won't spontaneously make people laugh, because you've spoken a truth that no one will say, and it scares the crap out of people, you know, like when Bill Hicks would let loose on things, you know, it was like, oh my god, can he say that? | ||
| He said that. | ||
| And every time he would say something, it was, oh my god, I didn't know I was going there and there. | ||
| And he was a genius of carving territory. | ||
| But he also, even if he painted hell, he painted Painted a little bit of heaven, too. | ||
| And I love that about him. | ||
| Yeah, he really did. | ||
| He had some great points that weren't necessarily even funny, but he wanted to make them when he was doing certain bits. | ||
| But he was so interesting that he carried it anyway. | ||
| He had this thing that he wrote down, like the Bill Hicks rules for stand-up or something like that. | ||
| I forget what it was. | ||
| But one of them was, I'm paraphrasing it, that you didn't always have to be funny, just be interesting. | ||
| Sometimes you use the funny, you get the funny in there, and then you could tell them something that is entertaining for a brief moment, just not necessarily funny. | ||
| It's a tricky thing to do in stand-up, especially and not be preachy. | ||
| That's where shit gets weird. | ||
| I think it's annoying for people. | ||
| They go see a comedian and they get really preachy. | ||
| Yeah, I hear that. | ||
| Because it's the intoxicant of the stage... | ||
| You're allowing people to have a massive amount of control over the influence that they have on you. | ||
| To stand up on top with a big spotlight on you and an echoey voice and a magnified voice, all of that is ridiculous. | ||
| So because you're in this situation, there comes a time where a lot of people... | ||
| Do things just because they want people to think they're smart. | ||
| They do things just because this is going to get a big impact. | ||
| And then they start getting really preachy. | ||
| And that's what it is. | ||
| It becomes disingenuous. | ||
| You lose this connection with the comic. | ||
| I saw Lily Tomlin do something extraordinary. | ||
| You know, like Signs of Intelligent Life on Earth or something like that. | ||
| I heard that was very good. | ||
| And even though it came out of... | ||
| Love and self-reflection. | ||
| And that kind of thing is really rare. | ||
| And all I'm doing is saying all of culture is necessary. | ||
| And the freedom of expression is guaranteed absolute, I think. | ||
| And it's the only way that the creative spirit can feel free enough to do anything and to explore and evolve into territory. | ||
| But if you're going to then call it something like sacred art or if you're going to Try and reintroduce. | ||
| Because my wife and I had these mystical experiences and what are you going to do then? | ||
| Oh, I think I'm just going to make art about the marketplace because that's the only thing that's going these days. | ||
| Or maybe I should do some kind of vulgar, transgressive thing to really make a spectacle and things. | ||
| Or maybe I should critique corporate, you know, vacuity or something like that. | ||
| No, the mystical experience, that's the most important thing. | ||
| And throughout history, see, the reason that Bob Jesse said, don't give the fundamentalist the word religion. | ||
| It's, you know, then, okay, you can't evolve that concept. | ||
| It's too important a concept. | ||
| To let go of. | ||
| And so you have to evolve it. | ||
| You have to take it on and say, okay, there was a primary religious experience. | ||
| That was the mystical experience. | ||
| That was the visionary experience that contacted, such as the Moses moment or these various kinds of things. | ||
| Those things recur and they continue. | ||
| And so there is contact with a sacred reality. | ||
| And if we look at love... | ||
| Just people still believe in love, and they feel it from their kids and things. | ||
| Now that means love is a cosmic force. | ||
| God or creator, whatever name you want to say, or just the Big Bang brought us, and if anybody looks at the amount of intelligence that it goes to create a cell, You know, | ||
| Dr. Hoffman, Albert Hoffman, the discoverer of LSD, used to talk about, do you think it would be possible for the parts of a cathedral to be laid out on a football field and to assemble themselves into a cathedral? | ||
| Now, you think of the unlikelihood of that, even given the, you know, like, infinite time. | ||
| And you know that it takes intelligence to build a cathedral. | ||
| And he said a self-reproducing cell is much more difficult to construct than a cathedral. | ||
| And it is done in such a microscopic way that you have to A good scientist would simply infer that the intelligence that constructed the universe is at work in so many systems that we see around us. | ||
| Even if part of your small mind is absorbed with the daily bullshit that comes floating by your screen and you get upset about it and you get hooked into your emotions and all that stuff, On the background reality, if you could just lean away from the bullshit and tap into the infinite that is always there... | ||
| The divine creative spirit that really turns people on. | ||
| That's the thing that people want to experience, the ecstasy of creation. | ||
| And when you're even gardening or when you're cooking a new kind of soup or you're being creative, you're happier. | ||
| You're not thinking about the thing that she said to you or the thing that he did or how terrible the world is or anything like that. | ||
| You've transcended the chatter of the mind, you know, briefly, and entered a creative flow that is an intuitive flow that is just a plane of consciousness higher than most of the current Video screens that people are tapped into. | ||
| So if you could just begin to lean away from that mental stuff and back into the creation that brought us here, then you'd see, like, wow, okay, things aren't really so fucked up, actually. | ||
| You know, okay, so we blow it. | ||
| Look at the magnificence of This intelligent evolution to a point where we have, even though we don't know what reality is, and this part of the imagination and consciousness, these are great mysteries. | ||
| We are God speaking to God. | ||
| We're consciousness speaking to consciousness, is the way that I see you. | ||
| You're tapped into so many networks. | ||
| You're part of a wider intelligence that encircles the globe and that listens avidly for your independent advocacy for points of view that are very marginalized in society. | ||
| society, it's an extremely important stand to take as a cultural hero to many that you will acknowledge certain things that are not popular but you feel it's important to say. | ||
| So your work comes from a place of the heart and a place of justice and a place of kind of righteous understanding of the multiple dimensions that we all dwell within. | ||
| Well, it also... | ||
| My point of view comes from a person that feels that, like, how I know myself and my tendencies to get in bad patterns in my own life and how I've overcome that and how I've... | ||
| Sort of molded my mind and changed the way I thought about just reality, my interactions with human beings, all these things. | ||
| I know that I'm not unique in my ability to do that. | ||
| I know that a lot of people have done that, can do that, and are doing that. | ||
| And one of the things that's been the most positive benefit of this podcast for sure is running into so many people that have said that listening to these conversations and taking in these different points of view, these well-considered points of view, Have actually benefited their lives, changed their lives. | ||
| People are eating healthy food. | ||
| Isn't that awesome? | ||
| People are exercising. | ||
| Yeah, it's amazing. | ||
| It's direct transformation. | ||
| It's the, I guess, the fourth quadrant of how art and a podcast is a work of art. | ||
| It's not only visually beautiful, but, you know, Brian's been weaving in the sound effects. | ||
| It's a work of art. | ||
| That's not art. | ||
| Don't tell them that's art. | ||
| Okay, okay. | ||
| Jesus Christ, what are you doing? | ||
| I don't want to inflate anyone. | ||
| But the next hour will just be bing! | ||
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Meow! | |
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| None of that. | ||
| Don't encourage him. | ||
| Oh, you son of a bitch. | ||
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There it goes. | |
| He's got the shaman's rattle. | ||
| That is the shaman's rattle, right? | ||
| Is it shaman or shaman? | ||
| I've used both at varying times. | ||
| Yeah, it's a tricky one. | ||
| It's like Bahrain, right? | ||
| Bahrain. | ||
| So this gentleman who you quoted about the word religion, don't give it up to the fundamentalists, you feel the same way about the word God. | ||
| It's like, don't give it to people that have a narrow definition of it. | ||
| Keep expanding it. | ||
| Use it even though there is a... | ||
| A standard definition that a lot of people sort of think, oh, you're religious. | ||
| Are you a Christian, sir? | ||
| Do you believe Jesus is your savior? | ||
| And then things get strange. | ||
| Ideology. | ||
| Yeah, the ideology can in smallness. | ||
| It absolutely does. | ||
| And so the real religion, the primary religious experience, is direct contact of self with God. | ||
| Now that is still valid and important. | ||
| The ability to let go and reach these strange realms of higher consciousness that are available with and without help from any sort of entheogens. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| Prayer and meditation alone as the royal road. | ||
| The mind is very variable. | ||
| It's very variable in its frequencies. | ||
| It's very variable in where you can take it. | ||
| My own experiments with, I shouldn't say experiments, part of my life is isolation tanks. | ||
| It's a huge part of My development as a human. | ||
| That's a fabulous kind of late 20th century addition to spiritual practices that John Lilly really founded. | ||
| And he was one of the By the way, I should say something about Lilly that just came out today. | ||
| On Twitter, it's going crazy. | ||
| Ketamine used to cure depression. | ||
| They're saying it's one of the most effective uses of cures for depression they've ever found. | ||
| Really? | ||
| From repeated or simply one dose? | ||
| Well, one dose has an impact. | ||
| The same thing they were saying about psilocybin. | ||
| I don't know exactly what they're claiming it is. | ||
| Vitamin K. But Lily was a fabulous proponent of ketamine. | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| Well, you know, ketamine has an interesting kind of shadow side too that I've seen. | ||
| It's very addictive. | ||
| Yeah, for people. | ||
| And I never saw that in the classic hallucinogens that were psilocybin or even LSD or DMT. They're not really addictive in the kind of strict sense. | ||
| So ketamine is one of those interesting new It's kind of like a catapult for your consciousness. | ||
| It goes flinging out if you're laying down into What seems like a very rapid motion of your consciousness going very fast, even though you're laying down, over a texture, a kind of a vast texture. | ||
| And we had these kind of openings into the void that were very profound and very heart-opening, in a way. | ||
| It is a horrible club drug, though. | ||
| I've heard that. | ||
| It should be used very sparingly, and it should be treated with great respect. | ||
| I had a number of friends. | ||
| I never got into it, frankly. | ||
| We were injected with it, I think, a couple of times back in the 70s. | ||
| And it was an available thing, and a psychiatrist gave us that experience. | ||
| And it was profound. | ||
| My friend Todd McCormick. | ||
| Do you know Todd? | ||
| Marijuana activist. | ||
| Very interesting guy. | ||
| He got injected by John Lilly himself with ketamine in Lilly's isolation tank. | ||
| And he went deep and he was kind of freaking out in the tank. | ||
| So Lilly shoots ketamine into himself, gets in another tank and goes and visits him. | ||
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Whoa! | |
| Well, that is high-tech shamanism. | ||
| That is high-tech shamanism that, you know, hey, I ventured into the coincidence control here that I'm not familiar with and I'm really freaking out. | ||
| And so, I mean, he might have even had to, you know, pay a little something to his buddies who run the machines to get his friend back. | ||
| What happened? | ||
| Pay a piece of your consciousness? | ||
| What do you have to give up? | ||
| Oh, no, it was just like, hey, hey, I'll give you my sex. | ||
| I'll give you my sex? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I'll change from male to female. | ||
| Really? | ||
| John Lilly? | ||
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John Lilly? | |
| He changed from male to female? | ||
| I believe he did. | ||
| Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. | ||
| So you're saying that my friend Todd McCormick and his irresponsible use of ketamine... | ||
| No, no, no, no, no. | ||
| I think that's what you just said. | ||
| I don't mean it. | ||
| I'm just fantasizing. | ||
| Did he do that, though? | ||
| He did do that. | ||
| I don't think it had anything to do with your friend at all. | ||
| It was, for him, I'm sure, a creative evolutionary step. | ||
| So ketamine essentially... | ||
| He marched toward the divine feminine and embraced it. | ||
| That's interesting. | ||
| Well, a lot of people believe that that is the number one problem with the world, is the... | ||
| The repression of the divine feminine, absolutely. | ||
| The fact that testosterone exists in an intelligent life form that is evolving past the actual form that we recognize matter in into a nuclear... | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| Well, like, what... | ||
| What else was he then? | ||
| If people are prophets, if people are prophets of something, he was a prophet of transformation and the use of all technology available for accessing the human biocomputer and coincidence control. | ||
| He really believed in a spiritual reality, but it was completely informed by Eureka and all the rest of the systems that he was familiar with. | ||
| But I think it was very legitimate. | ||
| And one of the most densely detailed descriptions from this trans-dimensional realm that we currently have. | ||
| And his incredible invention of the isolation tank. | ||
| Oh my God. | ||
| Such a brilliant, brilliant invention. | ||
| He was trying to figure out how to separate the mind from the sensory input of the body. | ||
| And he couldn't get there with meditation. | ||
| Couldn't get there with yoga. | ||
| He couldn't quite get there. | ||
| He was always conscious of his body. | ||
| So he figured out how to do this. | ||
| And the first sensory defravation tank was like a scuba tank. | ||
| Where you had like a helmet, a scuba helmet. | ||
| And you would float like from your neck. | ||
| They use that in altered states, you know, to describe... | ||
| Initially, the first... | ||
| It was pretty chronological in that respect. | ||
| They started off with the vertical one and then went to the horizontal one once they figured out how to use salt in it. | ||
| But his old ones, he used to have, like, waste evacuation systems where he would shit and piss in the tank. | ||
| For a long time, you know, because he was interested in long-term immersion. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| This was basically a replication of something that had been done for many centuries. | ||
| I'm sure you're familiar with it. | ||
| The Yangtze practice in Tibetan Buddhism is all about the dark retreat. | ||
| You go into the dark, and yes, all these things that he talks about, that you're still dealing with gravity, blah, blah, blah. | ||
| But the intention is the same. | ||
| To remove all distractions and to be surrounded by darkness. | ||
| I wouldn't even call it distractions. | ||
| And to be awake. | ||
| And you lose consciousness of your body so much and are able to access your imagination. | ||
| Now, Ibn Arabi... | ||
| I thought that, and he was a Sufi mystic, my favorite. | ||
| Your favorite Sufi mystic? | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| What's your top ten? | ||
| Well, Rumi would be right next, of course. | ||
| But Ibn Arabi was the most scholarly, and he called the imagination your angel. | ||
| That is the place where God meets God. | ||
| That is the visionary, mystical experience that runs through all world religions, and he details it, and there are celestial hierarchies that Plotinus describes in exactly the same way. | ||
| They had a cross-cultural, although they were writing at different times, it wasn't dissemination, it was all direct knowledge. | ||
| These were people that were getting it from the highest command, and it came through their unique lens of their language, and so they each had unique prayers to be in contact with this creative force. | ||
| And he really did emphasize the sacredness of the divine feminine. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| No, Ibn Arabi. | ||
| Ibn Arabi. | ||
| And so the great mystics have quite often done the same thing. | ||
| You know, I mean, what do we have more art of? | ||
| Goddess sculptures. | ||
| You know, the goddess is the symbol of beauty, the symbol of love for humanity. | ||
| And although it gets perverted and things like that, if you step back and just look at the flow of art history, you know, back from the 40,000 years ago to today, what is celebrated? | ||
| The beauty of the divine feminine and worshipped, really. | ||
| Really, truly new-age shamanism. | ||
| The creation of this sensory deprivation tank is the creation of something that allows you to take this practice of solitude and darkness to a completely new level and literally remove the body. | ||
| Remove the body from the equation and Lily... | ||
| Well, you're still aware of the smell and you're still aware, but it's much less. | ||
| Not really, because all factory senses only detect change. | ||
| As long as you don't fart in the tank, you're not aware of the smell. | ||
| Because you won't be aware of anything. | ||
| Your nose will stop receiving any changes in input. | ||
| I'd love to see the one you've got. | ||
| Well, it was created by this guy, Crash, from the Float Lab. | ||
| The Float Lab is in Venice, and it's the best place in the country. | ||
| He's a really mad scientist when it comes to it. | ||
| The filtration systems that he uses are the highest standard, and he's pushing for an industry standard to try to get people to start taking these things seriously as far as how you can clean the water to make sure that you can use them commercially. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Have you been to Munich and to the float experience? | ||
| No, I've never been to Munich. | ||
| Well, maybe I have. | ||
| Well, I was in Germany. | ||
| I forgot where I was, actually. | ||
| Sorry. | ||
| What happens is you go into this huge tank. | ||
| It's like a king-size bed, but bigger, of water. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And eight inches deep, I guess. | ||
| And... | ||
| So you lay down, and it's the salt, and it's really warm and nice, and it goes down to a very, you know, like ultramarine blue. | ||
| It doesn't go totally black. | ||
| And you can close your eyes, and it doesn't change at all, and it's just the most pleasant and amazing relaxation kind of experience. | ||
| Woven it into the German businessman now the you know on lunch hour They'll come in and say wow man. | ||
| I really need to unwind and it's let's just like half hour later They're like whoa. | ||
| It's just like they were meditating. | ||
| It does wonders for me Especially after I do jujitsu classes and I'm exhausted and strained out it like it lengthens your body like your your your muscles and They contract and tighten up. | ||
| And what I mean by lengthen is they relax and sort of extend. | ||
| They relax and pull away. | ||
| Everything feels like it sort of just takes a big deep breath. | ||
| Like all of your tissue. | ||
| It relieves so much tension. | ||
| And by the way, it also benefits your body. | ||
| It's one of the best sources of magnesium because the magnesium is entering your body through the Epsom salts in your skin. | ||
| It's actually very healthy for you. | ||
| Very interesting. | ||
| We know the filtration system that they had was unique and patented. | ||
| John Lilly's? | ||
| No, the one in float in Germany. | ||
| And they saw themselves as continuing to work John's obvious invention and move it forward also in a similar way that your friend is doing out there in Venice. | ||
| That sounds like a great idea, though, to have just a really light blue so you can even open your eyes. | ||
| The idea of doing it for a short-term relaxation thing, that would be very pleasant. | ||
| It's extremely uplifting and probably the color has something to do with it. | ||
| Yeah, people love blue. | ||
| Like for professional pool, they found out that the color, a light blue, a light calming blue, like a blue sky, is like the best color for seeing objects around it as far as like seeing edges, the edges of the ball and things like that, the light blue. | ||
| This is what really just appeals to the eye. | ||
| They used to think it was green. | ||
| It was green for the longest time. | ||
| But now they go with light blue. | ||
| That feeling of floating also in the release of all the input that's coming in from the body allows you to take in information better. | ||
| And what Crash has been working on over at the float lab is what he calls a cellular influence device. | ||
| And the idea behind it is It is a screen that fits in front of your visual peripheral, like from here to here. | ||
| And it is the lowest emission of light that's physically possible. | ||
| So you literally don't see the edges of the television at all. | ||
| You see nothing other than whatever is being broadcast. | ||
| They figured out how to tune that in. | ||
| It took them years to figure this out. | ||
| And he has these speakers that are in the water, literally, on either side of your ear. | ||
| It's all sealed up, and so they're underwater. | ||
| And you're in this thing, and first of all, the sound moves the water. | ||
| It pulsates the water. | ||
| So you feel the sound. | ||
| You feel it in your fucking toes. | ||
| Yeah, you do whatever you want. | ||
| I mean, what Crash is trying to do is get people to start coding documentaries and instructionals to it, because he thinks it'll speed up learning by a staggering amount. | ||
| That's remarkable. | ||
| It's an immediate kinesthetic kind of taking it on a cellular level, informing your cells all over. | ||
| And also, the retention is just far stronger and greater because of the fact there's no distractions while it's going on. | ||
| Same as, in theory, this all needs to be tested. | ||
| But I can tell you that as far as just your sheer horsepower, To me, there's never been anything like it in my life, other than psychedelic experiences, but I consider it a very psychedelic experience. | ||
| It probably came to him in that state, and it was used to study that thing. | ||
| That's how the shamans say, you know, like, the plants told us. | ||
| It was like the... | ||
| He was one of the first, really, scientists to do deep studies with LSD. I find that fascinating, and I find that so hard to believe. | ||
| I also find it amazing how few scientists today openly discuss psychedelic experiences and are enthusiastic about them. | ||
| Well, they'll be ostracized. | ||
| Isn't that amazing? | ||
| It's sad. | ||
| Well, it's the same reason that more artists don't talk about it either. | ||
| They're not mutually exclusive. | ||
| People have to understand that silly behavior, yes, can be attributed to recreational drugs or recreational drug use. | ||
| A, one, that's not what we're talking about. | ||
| And B, just because someone is involved in something that other people are using recreational doesn't mean there's not some massive benefit to it that can be discussed by scientists on a really scholarly level. | ||
| There's something going on. | ||
| Or that can truly benefit humanity by... | ||
| Harnessing a substance that may help people access their expanded states of awareness. | ||
| Now that is what Dr. Hoffman wanted, and I quote him at length. | ||
| On his 101st birthday, he wrote the most remarkable thing about the promise of the entheogenic sacraments. | ||
| And about how he hoped, because he always felt tremendously guilty for anyone who had taken a wrong turn or it had catalyzed their predisposition to a psychotic state. | ||
| Borderline personality should avoid it entirely. | ||
| People who have a history of mental illness, you know, without professional use, they should avoid these things for sure. | ||
| But sometimes people take them. | ||
| And so it haunted him horribly. | ||
| And he was never an advocate, but he, at the end of his life, really, you know, he kind of told people about it. | ||
| He, on stage, would say that, you know, I synthesized it in 1938. We tested it on animals. | ||
| Nothing happened. | ||
| You know, and then five years later, you know, in April, he starts to hear a voice that asks him to re-synthesize this particular molecule. | ||
| Now, he synthesizes thousands and thousands of molecules, but he said never before had he heard that voice calling him to do a particular thing, so he did it. | ||
| And then... | ||
| April 19th, when he finally Basically dosed himself in 1943. At 4.20. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| 4.19 at 4.20. | ||
| P.M. In his journal, he writes. | ||
| That's when he took it. | ||
| Is that the origin of 4.20? | ||
| No. | ||
| No, it's not. | ||
| No, it isn't. | ||
| But it's an interesting coincidence. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And... | ||
| It may have had some sequential elegance in his own journal writing. | ||
| It wasn't randomly that he chose that time to do it because it was an experiment that he was wondering about. | ||
| But he brewed up the tiniest amount that is... | ||
| For sure not active by any substance known to humanity. | ||
| If you take 250 millionths of a gram, nothing happens with anything. | ||
| That's like, what do they call it? | ||
| Homeopathy. | ||
| It's that kind of dosage. | ||
| But little did he know that he had stumbled upon the Most potent psychoactive substance of all times. | ||
| Many times more potent and powerful than any other sacrament in those tiny mouths. | ||
| And so he was catapulted into a kind of chaos that he thought he was dying, of course. | ||
| And he just didn't want to die in the lab. | ||
| He wanted to just go home, you know, to die. | ||
| And so he was freaking out, feeling for sure he had poisoned himself, and he and his assistant rode their bicycles back. | ||
| And of course, that's why they call it Bicycle Day, you know, 419. But he made it home, and then they called... | ||
| It was April 19th? | ||
| April 19th. | ||
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It was April 19th at 420. Yes. | |
| Yes. | ||
| I did a painting that's in the Net of Being book. | ||
| We need to bet the lottery. | ||
| We need to call. | ||
| We need to put some numbers down. | ||
| Well, you know what happened that same day? | ||
| What? | ||
| Probably around the same time. | ||
| What? | ||
| Well, there was a Warsaw ghetto uprising that happened in the wake of the Nazis. | ||
| Wanting to burn down the Warsaw Ghetto. | ||
| And it never happened before. | ||
| There was a spike in the novelty curve that day that was off the charts. | ||
| And it led to a siege. | ||
| It never happened and it never happened since. | ||
| Whoa. | ||
| What the fuck's up with that number? | ||
| Isn't that interesting? | ||
| Isn't that interesting? | ||
| Does that make sense? | ||
| It's a synchronicity that's just interesting. | ||
| You know, something I've been noticing, and I can't explain it at all, but it's just one of those mystery things, like you were saying, like, in your dream you see these various things, you know, they're saying something. | ||
| It's almost like God is a punster, you know, and putting visual rebuses, this is a visual language, you know, in front of us. | ||
| Have you ever looked into all this stuff that's going on right now in physics where all these different scientists are proposing the idea that we're living inside of a simulation? | ||
| And it's becoming more and more prominent. | ||
| Today I got a new thing, technologyreview.com, a new thing, published by MIT. This was sent to me through Twitter. | ||
| So, of course, I had to investigate it because I'm inundated by this shit literally every day. | ||
| There's some new study or some new proposal about the world being some sort of the universe, the reality being some sort of a simulation. | ||
| When you see shit like number 420 coming up over and over again, 419 and 420, do you ever stop and go, well, maybe that's just the way it was written? | ||
| It's the cosmic wink. | ||
| It's the cosmic wink. | ||
| There are so many correspondences, I feel, like the... | ||
| Look at what happened to psychedelic culture after that time. | ||
| There came a time of tremendous repression. | ||
| But first, there was scientific study. | ||
| So they actually established the true merits of these substances prior to them becoming illegal. | ||
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Illegal for political reasons, by the way. | |
| And I think it's anti-American. | ||
| Because America is all about freedom of religion and freedom of point of view. | ||
| And as Terence McKenna says, there's nothing ever been adduced against them except that they give people funny ideas. | ||
| Well, your definition of America, much like your definition of God, is not the popular one. | ||
| You know, as far as the rest of the world, when they think of what America represents, they think of it as a giant military monster. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| It's AmeriCorps. | ||
| That's what I call it. | ||
| AmeriCorps is that... | ||
| What America has become. | ||
| It's a living death that's being perpetrated on the world. | ||
| And it's because of this, you know, sellout, you know, of the soul to the military-industrial complex. | ||
| Eisenhower warned us about it. | ||
| And so, you know, there are various reformers in government that are trying, you know, really trying to shift things. | ||
| But they're massive forces, you know. | ||
| The archons, as the Gnostics would say, you know, that are kind of dragging their heels in the evolutionary bell curve. | ||
| They haven't gotten the message that we're all a unity and that we need to now think about how we can best preserve the life web. | ||
| Not how we can destroy it and make profits for a few years while we watch the weather go haywire. | ||
| There's never before been a clear indication that the people who are in charge are not tuned into the internet. | ||
| They came about this way. | ||
| They created this way long before there was an internet. | ||
| And this is how it's always been done. | ||
| And now that it's being exposed all around them, they're still clinging to this archaic notion of non-connection. | ||
| Right. | ||
| This archaic notion that all of your actions, all of your deeds, and all of our thoughts and feelings aren't all connected in some sort of a strange way, that we need to recognize, address, and we need to move forward with that as an ideal, that we are all connected. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| We have to recover it. | ||
| We have to recover it. | ||
| It's essential. | ||
| Big foreign banks. | ||
| It's not happening with the Federal Reserve or whoever the fuck is in charge of sending us to Afghanistan or whoever wants us to put, you know... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, that was an obvious and huge mistake. | ||
| There's even a page in there called Remembering 9-11 Before It Happened. | ||
| Now, I think that it's a pretty remarkable kind of thing that happened there. | ||
| Of course, who but a spook would do something like that, 9-11? | ||
| That's a joke, okay? | ||
| Emergency. | ||
| That's a spook. | ||
| That's a joke. | ||
| What do you mean? | ||
| Like the 9-11 is the code word for emergency. | ||
| Now, outside of America, question mark? | ||
| You know, like, that's a reference that only an American would play with. | ||
| Because, okay, so then we have all the explosive evidence about what happened that day. | ||
| Now, you know, the burning of the Reichstag and all that, have we forgotten history? | ||
| You know, it's a massive distraction to, you know, stop everybody from paying attention to Enron. | ||
| And go into some place that never attacked us. | ||
| This is your point? | ||
| The Iraq War. | ||
| What was that based on? | ||
| But a lot of lies. | ||
| And Afghanistan the same way, that there was a need to sell weaponry and to spend money on these, you know, These mercenaries in order to satisfy a certain hunger. | ||
| And this hunger is the shadow, is the Set, Setian energy that dwells in the desert. | ||
| And we are living off of. | ||
| What we need to become is a solar-powered humanity. | ||
| We are still struggling with Set and Horus who fought an epic battle thousands of years ago in the deserts of Egypt and continue it today. | ||
| The soul of humanity has to go toward the light and find new energy means. | ||
| To bring us out of our dependence, our addictions, to the destructive web of this kind of oilgarchy that we're enmeshed in. | ||
| So it's your opinion that September 11th was some sort of a false flag event, and it wasn't just incompetence or an attack that was capitalized on by people with nefarious ideas, that it was instead planned? | ||
| I entertain that possibility and I think that the entire affair needs to be examined. | ||
| Why I was setting that up and the controversial elements that many scientists bring up. | ||
| Not, you know, like artists, you know, but people... | ||
| Like architects and engineers. | ||
| Yes, all those people who analyze the actual material and the pulling of Building 7 as the smoking gun. | ||
| But, you know, you can go down that and look at it. | ||
| I think it should be examined. | ||
| But what I find fascinating about the entire thing... | ||
| is the nest of synchronicities that artists were exhibiting. | ||
| On that day, there was a man who had a studio, an artist, who had a studio in Tower One. | ||
| A number of artists had studios, actually, in the Twin Towers. | ||
| His name was Michael Richards, actually. | ||
| He was a black artist, and he was a sculptor. | ||
| Remarkable, wonderful work. | ||
| Did he hate himself? | ||
| Well, he was an awesome... | ||
| That was a bad joke. | ||
| He has no relationship to that fellow, and just happened to have the same name. | ||
| His entire body of work was destroyed practically when the plane hit the Twin Towers. | ||
| And so a couple months later, some of his friends discover in this museum in South Carolina that they have one of his pieces once been discovered. | ||
| And it was a self-portrait. | ||
| And as St. Sebastian... | ||
| But instead of arrows going through the body, they were airplanes. | ||
| Whoa! | ||
| Okay? | ||
| Whoa! | ||
| Whoa! | ||
| St. Sebastian and the Tar Baby is what it's called. | ||
| Wow! | ||
| Now, that is a fact. | ||
| Now, I did a painting in 1989. It was a vision I had the day our daughter was born. | ||
| And it became the painting Gaia. | ||
| Now what's interesting, you can look in that book net of being. | ||
| We were in the World Trade Center September 10th, 2001. And I put my tag in there, actually. | ||
| And in the Gaia painting, there happened to be two airplanes. | ||
| And there's also the Twin Towers. | ||
| There's someone who looks strangely like George Bush. | ||
| He's embracing a terrorist and a diseased dick. | ||
| And I had no idea. | ||
| It was used in the Beastie Boys Ill Communication album, which, by the way, has... | ||
| I can't stand it. | ||
| The most famous hit from that album was Sabotage. | ||
| I tell you now, y'all, it was sabotage. | ||
| And so there are numerous things planted into the collective consciousness, you could say. | ||
| But then the comic book of Superman that came out September 12th, actually, had the Twin Towers surrounded in smoke and helicopters were around them. | ||
| The first panel, panel one, There was a hip-hop group, everybody remembers this thing, was released that week after 9-11. | ||
| There was this hip-hop group, The Coup, who had two members there, and they were with kind of like plungers, and in back of them, the Twin Towers exploding. | ||
| They were prevented from releasing it because it was September 12th. | ||
| They said, oh, whoa, whoa, whoa, no, no, no, no, no. | ||
| But September 11th in Boston was released live from New York, this particular place, this band in Boston, and it had the Twin Towers surrounded in flame. | ||
| So, you think that these people who are creating this art, that are envisioning these images, that they're pulling this from some sort of... | ||
| The collective. | ||
| I mean, Close Encounters, right? | ||
| Remember that moment when they all go into the artist's room where they're, oh, this one drew it, and that one sculpted it, and that one... | ||
| You know, like, they all got blazed with something. | ||
| And it... | ||
| And it's such a fascinating nest of synchronicities that I believe it's unprecedented. | ||
| Well, your point of view on just reality itself has got to be so much different than the average person's. | ||
| How often do you bring up this? | ||
| I mean, this is a very controversial and strange thing to say. | ||
| I'm not saying that my painting or various other things necessarily lead to the truth. | ||
| But they point toward something strange, very strange. | ||
| I mean, anybody examining the evidence, it wasn't premeditated. | ||
| It's remembering 9-11 before it happened. | ||
| Right. | ||
| What I was saying was, this is just the way you have to sort of lay this out. | ||
| How many times have you had this conversation with someone and you could see them go, okay. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Oh, look at the time. | ||
| Show the evidence, though. | ||
| Show Michael Richards' sculpture, which we do in this book, Net of Being. | ||
| And show the... | ||
| The folks at DC weren't fond of it, so I didn't reproduce their thing. | ||
| But people can go onto the internet and find it. | ||
| There's many... | ||
| The folks at DC? What is that? | ||
| DC Comics. | ||
| They didn't want the Superman panel reproduced in a thing like that. | ||
| But you can talk about it, and you can say exactly what happened. | ||
| And just pointing it out, you have a sense of the uncanny. | ||
| There's a coup, see? | ||
| And... | ||
| Right? | ||
| They couldn't release that thing. | ||
| That's the real image? | ||
| Yeah, that's it. | ||
| No, that's not the real image. | ||
| that was what they fabricated and were to release that week, but were prevented by every good sense, you know, to say, good grief, we cannot be doing this. | ||
| I didn't mean is that the real image of 9-11. | ||
| I meant is that the real image from their CD cover. | ||
| Yeah, that was the CD cover. | ||
| That's incredible. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, I mean, this is a smoking gun of some kind of revelatory breakthrough That was a terrible thing. | ||
| It was a terrible thing, but it leaked through the consciousness of humanity. | ||
| So you see the power of art as prophecy, and you see the power of art as what could it point us toward. | ||
| We want to see a sacred possibility. | ||
| We want to look at our highest potential, not look at the destructive. | ||
| We want to take that power of art And plant seeds of liberation in the minds of people, not this kind of negative world of self-destructive, nihilist culture and behavior. | ||
| My point of view or what I was trying to get at was when you go into this sort of a definition of things, it's a very fantastical and amazing sort of a concept that there is some sort of frequency that we're tuning into and we're getting warnings from future events that will have a big ripple in time. | ||
| How is this normally received when you talk to people? | ||
| I mean, you're a very unusual guy. | ||
| How many people can you talk to about this stuff? | ||
| I think it's unsettling to most people because I haven't heard it spoken up. | ||
| But I just happened to be one of the people that got blazed with a vision. | ||
| I had forgotten about it entirely. | ||
| You know, I knew I'd painted some, oh, this is the dark possibility of humanity, and this is the light, this is the nature, you know, and this is what we have to... | ||
| And here's Al Gore with some basket of fruits and things. | ||
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What is the name of that? | |
| Gaia. | ||
| Gaia painting. | ||
| How long did you do this before September 11th? | ||
| It was 1989. I had the vision in 1988, the day our daughter was born. | ||
| You know how powerful your child being born is. | ||
| It impacts you. | ||
| We had been up for three days anyway, and I had to leave my wife. | ||
| They kind of kicked me out, and I had to go do an illustration project, but as I was going over the Brooklyn Bridge, I had this vision. | ||
| It was probably the division of Manhattan and Brooklyn or something, but I had this dip titch kind of thing. | ||
| There's a better one on alexgray.com. | ||
| But that's basically it, the world tree as the great mother and the stress that humanity is causing. | ||
| Dude, the Twin Towers and the Plains, that's fucking trippy. | ||
| Yeah, so 1989. And there was somebody who bought it, and of course it was in the Ill Communication album, and then I published it in 19... | ||
| 1990 in the Sacred Mirrors book, my first book that came out then. | ||
| And so that was in there. | ||
| And after 9-11, some people sent me emails and showed me the picture again. | ||
| And I hadn't remembered any of that at all. | ||
| That's amazing. | ||
| That's really, really freaky. | ||
| When you think about these ideas and these blips and these signals and whatever it is that you tune into when you become creative, when you think about the impact that the work that comes out of it has on people, what do you think ultimately we're doing here as humans? | ||
| We're evolving our consciousness. | ||
| Are we in a transformative process? | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| You can't help but be transformative. | ||
| Does technology and destruction have anything to do with that? | ||
| Of course. | ||
| It's accelerating the, you know, the shadow. | ||
| The need for change, too. | ||
| The need for change. | ||
| The need to grow. | ||
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Absolutely. | |
| It's almost like we're threatening suicide unless we do something about it. | ||
| Yes, absolutely. | ||
| Get your shit together or I want to blow my brains out. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| The waking up is happening a lot through the interconnectedness of the web of technology. | ||
| Technology had to happen after an industrial period. | ||
| All of it has been an evolving intelligence that is finally beginning to see its cosmic origins in the story of the universe that we've been discovering and the Hubble telescope that shows us the vastness of space and the understanding of dark energy now that connects everything, the clusters of galaxies that had to exist The earth is a rare... | ||
| I think of it as this alchemical... | ||
| Balancing act. | ||
| Well, it's... | ||
| You know the alembic that goes around the sort of... | ||
| Whatever the alchemist puts into his retort or into his flask... | ||
| This flask then is heated, and it has a special temperature that brings the interior to transformation, and it goes through a lot of different stages. | ||
| But I think of the Earth and its surrounding geomagnetic field. | ||
| The geomagnetic field is our alembic. | ||
| It's our alchemical alembic. | ||
| Now you look at the Mars and it no longer has a magnetic field around it and so everything has died. | ||
| And so this magnetic field that surrounds the Earth is our protection from the solar flares and the solar heat of the Sun and gives that beautiful kind of aurora That happens. | ||
| And so just at this particular orbit where we're in relationship with our guru, the Sun, and we have this attraction, you know, but what is attraction? | ||
| It's the bending of space-time, and you're at a particular circulation, but that circulation has the alembic of the geomagnetic field around it, thus what the experiment of life can unfold. | ||
| It takes billions and billions of years to grow an intelligence that can start to recognize its own source. | ||
| That's astonishing. | ||
| That's a great epic journey of the evolution of human consciousness and that's what's really going on. | ||
| Don't read the times, read the eternities, as Emerson said, you know. | ||
| It's a great quote. | ||
| Did you ever see the Dream Theater album cover, Live Scenes from New York City? | ||
| Yeah, there it is. | ||
| There it is, in flames. | ||
| Release 9-11. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It has the twin towers on fire and an apple. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| The future. | ||
| How do you think this is all going to play out? | ||
| I mean, obviously you believe that expressing yourself with love and using art and finding creativity elevates the human experience, as do I. I think there's something incredible about it. | ||
| Seeing great art in any form, whether it's great music, great paintings, whatever it is, or something about seeing someone really tap into whatever it is that is going on when you're being creative, whatever it is when you're really accessing the imagination, that elevates us. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| You see that as an integral part of this experience of This transformative experience that human beings are going through, but where do you see it going? | ||
| Awakening to our own creative spirit, our own unique lens into the infinite one that we all are and reflections of. | ||
| Ultimately, humanity has a great future. | ||
| If you look at the evolutionary bell curve of what's possible for human consciousness and love, Oh. | ||
| And how primitive it still seems that humanity is in terms of their ability to love one another. | ||
| We've had great teachers from all over the world teach us the same thing. | ||
| The wisdom masters say repeatedly to love each other and not to kill each other. | ||
| It's something that is so simple and so true and so beautiful. | ||
| This is the affirmation of the intelligence that built our cells. | ||
| We have to tap into the You know, we recently had the guest Paul Stamets visit COSM a couple weeks ago at our summer. | ||
| For folks who don't know COSM, what you're referring to is the Chapel of Sacred Mirrors in New York? | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| At the Chapel of Sacred Mirrors in Wappinger, actually, we had the great eco-mycologist Paul Stamets Who's written extensively about the power of fungus. | ||
| He's one of the world's experts in medicinal and just the power of these things. | ||
| He uses them to soak up oil spills. | ||
| The oyster mushrooms and things like that have been used to draw hydrocarbons. | ||
| Out of water that's been polluted with them. | ||
| In Chernobyl, in the 30 mile radius around Chernobyl, there are funguses growing, mushrooms growing that are hot. | ||
| They're radiation filled because the mycelium that they fruit from has been drawing all of the radiation from the soil in order for life to come back to the forest. | ||
| They're the deepest, oldest plant on Earth. | ||
| And human beings themselves diverged from the fungus over 650 million years ago. | ||
| So we have this connection, this web of connectedness, and obviously a connection with the intelligence of the mushroom. | ||
| And And Paul, far from being a Terence sort of endorsing of the, you know, exogenous kind of fertilization of the earth with the spore, he believes it was homegrown. | ||
| And he believes that we're exporting. | ||
| So I love that kind of can-do Earth-based consciousness that evolved in this Alembic. | ||
| For those who don't understand what you meant by that, what you meant for the story is that McKenna believes that it's possible that mushrooms came from the vacuum of space. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| It is possible. | ||
| The theory of panspermia, which is we know amino acids and certain things are transferred and there are asteroids here from other planets that have landed meteorites. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And that is also one of the theories about what happened to Mars as well, right? | ||
| And that's how they lost their environment. | ||
| It was an asteroidal impact. | ||
| Possible. | ||
| And certainly we... | ||
| The human, or the great chain of being and great chain of evolution that was impacted on the earth, certainly there's a belief that the meteorite basically ended the The era of the dinosaurs and these little rat-like things that were our ancestors were able to become more dominant as a species and evolve due to the territorial kind of disputes being over with these large | ||
| lizard people. | ||
| Yeah, that really was a nice break for us. | ||
| Really. | ||
| And it had to happen. | ||
| But, you know, we have big brother Jupiter out there watching our back and is taking the heat. | ||
| You know, he's the bouncer of the whole cosmos or our little solar system. | ||
| And so only at a certain level, surrounded by a living kind of alembic, And shielded by a particular kind of planetary brother, was life of this kind even possible? | ||
| Think of how many billions of galaxies it might take. | ||
| We might, well, we certainly are probably the only, you know, Earth planetary consciousness in the universe, obviously. | ||
| We're a unique little neighborhood. | ||
| When you say Earth, planetary, consciousness, the universe, what do you mean by that exactly? | ||
| Well, there's no other Earth. | ||
| Right. | ||
| We're it. | ||
| We're the Earth. | ||
| We're this planet. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| We're the only ones. | ||
| We're the only ones. | ||
| It evolves uniquely. | ||
| Darwin showed that. | ||
| On every little cove or things, things evolve a little bit differently. | ||
| So wherever else life exists, if it does... | ||
| And it quite likely does. | ||
| Most scientists would agree that. | ||
| But we have a unique jewel. | ||
| We've been gifted with it from billions of years of evolution. | ||
| Don't fucking blow it. | ||
| That's the most important thing. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| What you're saying, if people don't understand it, is that Jupiter has a massive amount of gravity. | ||
| It's enormous. | ||
| And it absorbs asteroidal impacts. | ||
| It sucks them all up. | ||
| It's like the bodyguard for the Earth. | ||
| It's amazing. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's a truly unique situation as far as what we've studied in the cosmos. | ||
| But there might be further evidence there's a simulation. | ||
| It might be. | ||
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| Yeah, which is awesome. | ||
| Well, you know, my experience with Allison, just to inform that one, our first kind of breakthrough Psychedelic experience that changed both of our works. | ||
| It happened about a year after we first met, like our first anniversary, June 3rd, say, 1976. And we both melted down into these kind of toroidal fountains and drains of light. | ||
| And every other being and thing in the universe was one of these balls of light. | ||
| It's like a soul. | ||
| But it was, you know, like an amazing kind of torus. | ||
| It was like a toroidal flow. | ||
| And this thing felt much more alive and real than our kind of material world reality. | ||
| It felt like this is what's really going on. | ||
| It's eternally and infinitely light, and we are projecting our kind of souls into experiences to have enriching educational opportunities and try to wake up. | ||
| God sent us here to wake up to God, you know, to the core of our being, to our God self. | ||
| That's why this painting that's on the cover of the Net of Being is called God Self, because It's a symbol of our interconnectedness with all other God selves. | ||
| Every other being and thing in the network has access to this great, vast intelligence of the cosmos. | ||
| There's no other reason that we could be here. | ||
| When you believe that and think that and then see what's going on like with everybody saber-rattling about going to war with Iran, how does that make you feel? | ||
| I feel very sad, you know, because really it's about break out the peace, monkeys. | ||
| You know, don't destroy each other and don't poison the web that sustains you. | ||
| That is only logical. | ||
| And by toxifying both the consciousness of humanity by, you know, entraining people's minds with limiting self-images instead of accessing Our unity as a human species and expand beyond that. | ||
| If you can feel, even though you may hate your neighbor, you know, you may have a gripe here or there, but ultimately you connected with loved ones. | ||
| Love brought us all here. | ||
| Love is the highest expression of the cosmos. | ||
| You know, Albert Hoffman said that, the highest refinement of light in the universe. | ||
| Is love. | ||
| Because it took a solar battery like our sun to give birth to a planet Earth, and it took the evolutionary train billions of years to get here to a point where a consciousness, a brain, was capable of having the experience of love, which was the common source of everyone. | ||
| The love that brought us all here. | ||
| To recognize it in each other, to honor it in each other through all different ways, and to celebrate that amazing experience. | ||
| Turn the ship around now, folks. | ||
| Don't go over the edge. | ||
| Don't commit suicide. | ||
| Do something harder. | ||
| Why is it more impossible, as the Occupy folks said, to imagine the end of capitalism Why is it more easy to imagine the apocalypse than the end of capitalism? | ||
| You think that capitalism is the big problem, and it's not just putting money above morals? | ||
| It's part of it, yes. | ||
| All of that, because it's not a God-centered consciousness. | ||
| We've wandered away. | ||
| Is it possible, though, to have a God-centered consciousness and produce all the shit that we produce, to make all the laptops we make, to make all the cars we make? | ||
| You know what Stephen Jobs was into, my friend. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| He was into yelling at his employees. | ||
| He was into making Chinese people work for $50 a month. | ||
| He was into a lot of shit. | ||
| But look at the nucleus of where those things that you were just celebrating came from. | ||
| Well, he made a beautiful company. | ||
| It was from his LSD experiences. | ||
| He credited that with being a tremendous opening for him and informing his breakthroughs in technology. | ||
| And Cary Mollis, the Nobel Prize-winning molecular biologist, has said exactly the same thing. | ||
| And many people's lives have been ruined by these things, but many other people's lives have been saved, my own. | ||
| The Francis Crick story, is that true? | ||
| There you go, yes. | ||
| Is that true? | ||
| Well, you know, it is a conjecture. | ||
| It was released after his death. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Because he, by threat of death, said such and so. | ||
| Now you could say, oh, now somebody's just trying to hijack that breakthrough of the imagination. | ||
| But then you go back to when it happened. | ||
| And you realize that actually he was a psychedelic advocate and he had He, like many of his scientist friends, experimented with these substances which were supposed to catalyze the creative imagination. | ||
| So he had read the papers, and he had access to these things. | ||
| And so there was no stigma about it. | ||
| In fact, the First Life magazine stuff about psychedelics was extremely positive. | ||
| If there was no stigma about it, then why didn't he come out and say it initially? | ||
| Oh, because by the time that it was a, yeah, you would think, you would think, but he might not want to sully his breakthrough by putting anything between the breakthrough insight and the, you know, then what are you talking about? | ||
| What? | ||
| You know, based on a drug-induced hallucination? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But, you know, I mean, that's how the benzene ring was discovered. | ||
| It was in a dream, you know? | ||
| And so, great discoveries come through the visionary imagination. | ||
| Isn't that how Descartes got the idea of science in the first place? | ||
| There you go. | ||
| It was a dream. | ||
| I think the exact quote was that science and nature would be conquered by using measurement. | ||
| There you go. | ||
| Well, that was a really important thing, but conquered gives it. | ||
| I don't think it was a word. | ||
| I think I probably used the wrong word. | ||
| But that is an aggressive stance that the male species has promoted because it's very self-serving. | ||
| And I think that part of what we're doing at this point as evolving human beings is trying to create a new model of possibility for humanity in a realm of sometimes, for some people, diminishing expectations. | ||
| So Paul Stamets' point of view of how mushrooms can save the world And how mycelium is actually a network of intelligence that connects us with the plant realm and that we can take advantage of by tapping into the nervous system that humanity diverged from over 650 million years ago. | ||
| Now that's tapping into cosmic intelligence. | ||
| Do you follow McKenna's stoned ape theory? | ||
| Do you feel like that's the way human beings are created? | ||
| A lot of people, and even responsible anthropologists, think that there's something to it. | ||
| Because they certainly would have encountered the psilocybin mushrooms. | ||
| And who can say that it didn't play a part in catalyzing the growth of human consciousness? | ||
| Now, both Leary and Lilly's ideas was that these substances could advance in the evolution of human consciousness. | ||
| Now, you look at the Unio de Vegetal, which is the first psychedelic church for white people, I guess, in the United States. | ||
| And part of the mission of the UDV, which is a church that originated in Brazil, you know, the heart of the Amazon, from the green mantle of the earth, the green emerald, comes these great wisdom traditions that are spreading throughout the world with ayahuasca. | ||
| And people are waking up to the mind of nature. | ||
| Through these plant sacraments that have been used for centuries, for, you know, thousands of years, actually. | ||
| And more and more anthropologists are saying, well, they were seeing visions in the place. | ||
| We know that the bog people used to smoke cannabis, and cannabis has been humanity's friend for a long time. | ||
| Now, a neuroscientist, just to, and I'll hand the floor over, A neuroscientist quoted in Scientific American said, most neuroscientists would agree that everything that we experience is a figment of our imagination. | ||
| Most neuroscientists would agree with this? | ||
| That's what she said. | ||
| She might be crazy. | ||
| She might be, but she had an entire issue of Scientific American Optical Illusions that it's a yearly publication. | ||
| And so she argues for this idea of the plasticity of the mind. | ||
| And when you take these dimensional shifts, you know, like you're changing the radio station with your kind of dimensional shifting that some psychonauts are able to do, you're tapping into different wavelengths. | ||
| So you literally change reality. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| You literally can change reality. | ||
| Reality is partially male-able. | ||
| Well, reality is co-dimensional. | ||
| Reality is co-dimensional. | ||
| It's not like, you know, this conversation changes reality in this dimension. | ||
| But it also has resonance with another dimension. | ||
| So it's essentially what we were talking about earlier. | ||
| It's neither real nor not real. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| There you go. | ||
| It's a combination of imagination and reality. | ||
| One of the things that always struck me about imagination is how it's sort of marginalized. | ||
| Like the idea of, oh, that Timmy's got a vivid imagination. | ||
| There's something to that. | ||
| But the reality is that every physical thing, including this building that we're in, including this chair that you're sitting in, The microphone that you're talking through. | ||
| All of it was created through the imagination. | ||
| So it did not exist. | ||
| It was thought up through the imagination. | ||
| Then it manifested itself in a physical form. | ||
| And we've become basically numb to the spectacle of the creation that has unfolded before us. | ||
| And if we could remove our blinders and notice the awesomeness and lean away from the jibber-jabber, We could be more at peace and maybe recognize that the same beautiful, true and good stuff that flows through your heart is flowing through mine. | ||
| Well, if it is possible, I believe that conversations like this are what move the consciousness of the people who listen to this and the people who consider these thoughts. | ||
| And the things that you've said, it does move things in a better direction. | ||
| It moves it in a better direction for those people that are listening. | ||
| And I think if there's any one way we really can change this world, it's to change the way people who are open-minded view it. | ||
| If you're open and you introduce a positive new idea into someone's mind, That can change them and benefit them in a positive way. | ||
| So if you really want to change the world, you already just did it. | ||
| You just did it with this conversation. | ||
| You're awesome, Joe. | ||
| I love you. | ||
| You're awesome too, man. | ||
| I love you too, man. | ||
| Your work is amazing. | ||
| And for folks who want to stay up on everything you're doing, they can follow you on Twitter. | ||
| It's AlexGreyCosm, C-O-S-M-Grey, E-Y, not A-Y. And if they want to, what is your website? | ||
| Well, the most important thing that's going on is really the Chapel of Sacred Mirrors project. | ||
| We're creating our first sacred structure, our temple. | ||
| We're building it there. | ||
| And it is an incredibly important time for us. | ||
| If you look at alexgray.com, it'll... | ||
| Well, let's see. | ||
| Entheon is really the thing that we're working on now. | ||
| And that is this new sanctuary for visionary art. | ||
| And it is multi-denominational. | ||
| Trans-denominational acknowledgement of the power of the creative spirit, and it's occurring in architecture now. | ||
| And it's a place to house this thing. | ||
| It's something Allison and I were shown in a dream. | ||
| And she is the co-founder of the Chapel of Sacred Mirrors. | ||
| She inspired the Sacred Mirrors series. | ||
| She named the sacred mirrors. | ||
| So the honoring of the divine feminine is really at the center of my life, and she turned my life around with her love. | ||
| And so that kind of love and the creative evolutionary Spirit that goes through everybody is kind of what we celebrate at COSM. And so people do a lot of creative... | ||
| You know, there's Art Church. | ||
| We just had an awesome Art Church with other visionary artists. | ||
| It's happening around the world. | ||
| Visionary artists are providing cultural alternatives, where like-minded people, we call them the love tribe, because you find them all over the world, who've awakened to something beyond the stressful They're politically charged national boundaries and they're global citizens. | ||
| They are tapped into the world-centric intelligence that could help lead us to a planetary civilization. | ||
| And they, by the way, probably didn't exist 50 years ago. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So that's the big jump. | ||
| That's one of the things when people want to talk about how... | ||
| Bad everything is. | ||
| They're not aware of how good it is, too. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So Chapel of Sacred Mirrors is a... | ||
| What is the website? | ||
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Cosm. | |
| Cosm.org. | ||
| Cosm.org. | ||
| And AlexGray.com has just been revised by our dear friends Fong and Scotty. | ||
| Beautiful. | ||
| And so there will be updates about Entheon and... | ||
| It's an incredibly important step for our community and for visionary art, we hope. | ||
| Listen, man, you just rocked a lot of people's worlds today. | ||
| You threw a monkey wrench into the gears of reality for a lot of folks. | ||
| I think that was awesome. | ||
| Thank you very much for doing this. | ||
| Anytime you want to do it again, I would love to. | ||
| It was just too much fun. | ||
| Thank you, brother. | ||
| Thanks to audible.com for sponsoring this podcast. | ||
| And again, if you go to audible.com forward slash Joe, you can try Audible for free for 30 days and get a free audio book. | ||
| And as Brian has said and I've said, The Steve Martin one on doing stand-up. | ||
| What is it called? | ||
| Born Standing Up. | ||
| Born Standing Up. | ||
| It's fucking amazing, man. | ||
| It's read by Steve Martin. | ||
| If I wanted to just introduce you to something that would get you to really appreciate the impact of audiobooks, that's my personal... | ||
| Idea. | ||
| That's Brian's as well. | ||
| It's a great choice. | ||
| Give it a shot, but there's a million books on there. | ||
| I mean, I don't know how many there are, but it's an incredible amount of interesting books on CD, or on audio rather, an mp3 form that you can listen to pretty much anywhere, and it just makes commutes, and it makes otherwise meaningless time. | ||
| It makes it educational and inspirational, and it's a An awesome website. | ||
| Audible.com forward slash Joe. | ||
| Go there and get your free 30 days of audio books, you son of a bitch. | ||
| All right. | ||
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| But just to let you know, the blenders are on the way, you dirty bitches. | ||
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| You can get them at deskquad.tv and also be informed as to when tickets are available for shows that Brian may be doing with other folks that are involved in what is called The Desk Squad, including the End of the World show with Honey Honey, Joey Diaz, Doug Stanhope, and myself at the Wiltern. | ||
| December 21st, 2012. The tickets are available right now. | ||
| No, there's not going to be any end of the world, folks. | ||
| Okay? | ||
| Everything's going to be beautiful. | ||
| And if you go to twitter.com forward slash Joe Rogan and search through my timeline, you can see that there's pre-sale for today and tomorrow, and the password is tickets. | ||
| All right, you freaks. | ||
| That's it for this week, because I've got to go to Brazil, and I won't be back until next week. | ||
| But next week, we've got five podcasts, and it's going to be fucking awesome, so we'll see you then. | ||
| Thank you, Alex Gray. | ||
| Thank you, Jay Rogan. |
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