Alex Grey and Joe Rogan explore psychedelics’ role in spiritual evolution, from Grey’s 1976 LSD vision of interconnected "light beings" to Roland Griffiths’ study showing 65% of users report life-altering encounters. Grey critiques capitalism’s divisive energy, ties creativity to cosmic intelligence (like John Lilly’s sensory tanks or Terence McKenna’s fungal theories), and links figures like Steve Jobs to psychedelic-inspired breakthroughs. Their discussion culminates in a call for humanity to embrace love and unity over destruction, framing art—such as his Chapel of Sacred Mirrors—as a tool to build a "planetary civilization" beyond war and corporate greed. [Automatically generated summary]
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If there is a man that is on more dorm room walls than you, it might be Frank Frazetta.
But it's only like if you count all time.
If you think about it, as far as the 70s and 80s, those poster years, Frank Frazetta put in some goddamn numbers.
That guy, he had some amazing stuff.
But you, sir, are right up there.
And you are, as far as the psychedelic community goes, you're the only guy that I've ever seen that I've looked at your work and I'm like, wow, that guy actually captured some of that.
You've actually grabbed some of it.
For someone who hasn't experienced a really intense psychedelic breakthrough sort of a moment, I don't know if they would connect with your artwork the same way.
It's beautiful.
It's striking.
It's amazing and unique.
But what's amazing to me about it is that when I see your stuff, it's like you really captured something somehow or another.
The unrememberable, you remembered it enough, or you channeled it enough, or whatever, but you nail stuff, man.
That one that you were just showing, the hologram?
Because it's impossible to actually translate that trans-dimensional realm, that inter-dimensional infinitude.
And yet, as crude as it is, a painting That's an authentic transmission from that state will communicate to people and it astonishes me that I meet brothers and sisters all over the world that say the same thing, that they've been there, they've seen that, they know where I'm painting from.
Have you ever had a thought in your mind or a dream where somehow or another in the dream, this has happened to me several times in my life, Where an image, a really weird, bizarre, random image, was recognized to me to mean something or play some significant part in my life.
Whether it's some friends I know, a place that I live.
But it would be imagery.
It was really weird.
I looked at that imagery, whatever it was, a strange geometric pattern, And it represented to me very clearly this aspect of my life.
When I was 21, I had a kind of a crisis, I think, and I wasn't sure that I really wanted to live any longer, because I was really depressed.
And, of course, I did not believe there was a spiritual reality at all.
And even though my friends had tripped before me, I never did, because I was so miserable.
I just thought I'd go to hell, and who needs infinite hell?
And so, anyway, at some point, I prayed to a god that I didn't really believe existed, and that if you do exist, then I need a sign, or, you know, I'm through.
And so within 24 hours, I'm saying goodbye to my professor at art school.
It was the last day of school, like August 30th or something.
No, no, no.
It was like May 30th, May 30th.
And around the corner drives this VW. And it's this gal, Allison, who invites us to her graduate...
You know, it's kind of like the end of school party.
And her sister's in town.
So this professor picks me up later that night.
And we go to this party.
And on the way, he says...
I've got in this bottle some Kahlua and LSD. And I said, you know, basically what the fuck?
And so I drank about half of it.
And I got to the door and the gal drinks the other half.
And I sit on her couch for the entire journey, almost, and just sit there kind of weirdly inside myself on one of her sculptures, a couch with a soft figurine of a self-portrait.
And so, when I close my eyes, Inside, and I've never had a trip like this since, but I was in the dark.
I could see I was in the dark, but I was going toward the light because there was this curling kind of mother-of-pearl like conch shell thing and I was in it like a tunnel with a light coming just from around it the side and It was awesome because it was that was it.
Of course, this was God.
This was the light was God and And I knew that even if I was in the dark, I was going toward the light.
All the shades of gray connect both those opposites.
And so I changed my name to gray right then.
And so my art has always been kind of trying to integrate the spectrum of reality into a more holistic picture of the trans-dimensional, the visionary, and the transcendental.
Because the transcendental Art traditions, you know, all the sacred arts of all the different world, visionary cultures.
Because all religion comes from the mystical experience.
And that's a visionary experience.
And you see it through all the mosques are beautifully ornamentally patterned from the same visionary mindscape that a DMT user would recognize.
And the same thing goes for the great Christian masterpieces and All through world religion, there are these waves that have crystallized into these visionary experiences of angels, of demons, of all kinds of worlds.
And they're really...
It's the thing that connects all the world religions is sacred art.
And so we started thinking like, wow, there needs to be a new kind of sacred art.
That integrates this visionary dimension of where all cultures emanate from.
It's a fascinating aspect, though, a really underappreciated aspect, the aspect of religious art having influence, because especially when you're stopping and you're thinking about back when people had no other transmissions, there was no broadcast images, there was no video, there was no photographs.
You literally had nothing or incredibly stunning religious art, you know?
Because there would be all this other art, but the other art, whether it's a painting of a tree or whatever the fuck it is, it's not going to be Jesus.
And someone who can paint an incredibly detailed Jesus, and if you stop and think about the time in which these people were doing this, this is an incredibly...
The access to information was almost nil.
So this, to them, must have been hugely impactful.
Well, he claimed to have a mystical experience, and that's what ignited the excitement, the religious fervor of people.
He was also martyred, you know, and there are a lot of people who hated him.
Obviously, he was martyred.
Like the Bob.
Got martyred.
The Baha'i.
The great Baha'i.
I'm not familiar with that story.
Oh my god.
You know, it's not the Church of the Subgenius, Bob.
It's the founder of the Baha'i religion.
Where is that from?
Unfortunately, I ran.
And I believe.
So he was...
Considered a heretic.
It was the, I believe, later 19th century when he received the understanding that there's a unity of all world religions, that we should consort with people of all religions, and that religion comes in waves of revelation.
And he argued for the equality of women and men and the friendship of all races.
And so the understanding of how some of the religions had failed us, but not pointing out negatives, but just positing what could be as a higher vision of world religion.
It's fascinating to me that even religions that are clearly made up, like where someone has sat out to try to create a religion, you can call it a cult or what have you, but there's ones that they've done that where even though You know that someone invented it.
It still has a positive impact in those people.
So it's almost like even creating a fake religion, if done the right way, imparts some sort of state of consciousness.
But I know people that are Mormons that have benefited tremendously from being Mormon.
I mean, I know some really nice, friendly people, and a lot of that is attributed to their faith, which brings them to these churches and these communities.
But that thing was created by a 14-year-old boy who said he found golden tablets that were the lost work of Jesus.
That is something that was created by bullshit, but it seems to be helping those people.
So, to us, the iconography, the icon of written and tablet, is almost like all sort of profound ideas will come in that form, or many will come in that form, because it represents, almost in our DNA, it represents something of significance.
Well, those aligned with this vision, this higher vision, granted an American vision.
This was like one of the earliest religions along with spiritualism born in America.
Now there's a differentiation because you have your Middle Eastern which is mostly everything comes out of there and you go a little to the side and to India and it didn't happen over here to our knowledge.
Of course the native people We're wise beyond anyone, but no one was listening to them.
No one took them seriously because they were all heathens, and so they were murdered.
We moved to an awesome, awesome place upstate, Hudson Valley, the town of Wappinger.
And the Wappinger people, 400 years ago, peopled the east side of the river all the way down to Manhattan.
There were, you know, loosely federated tribes.
And you knew that, because you're from Jersey, the The Hudson River used to be called the Mohicanituk before Henry Hudson.
And so the last time we're driven out like the Scioto Trail, the Trail of Tears, and I heard like this Native American brother came to us after we acquired this land in Wappinger because he felt it was always holy to the Wappingers.
And so, you know, we put a big cairn to honor the Wappinger spirit.
And he talked about what happened to the Wappinger and how they were walked out through Ohio.
They had to march, you know, and as they were going through Ohio, they passed right down High Street from where I was born.
And so I put a self-portrait, like as one of my crazy-ass art projects, you know, really early on.
I used to work for a billboard, the billboard place.
And I said, please let me do this.
It's a dead board anyway.
Nobody cares.
It's on High Street.
And it was a self-portrait, but with half my hair shaved.
But it was a huge billboard kind of thing, but with this head, very ambiguous.
Like, what is that?
And so High Street was the Trail of Tears.
And at that point, Evan said that A number of the Delaware Indians began to absorb the brothers and sisters of the Wappingers so that they found a solace there.
And there was something very interesting about the Delaware Indians was that they had a particular kind of haircut that was only for the warriors.
In order to keep their bow out of the hair, it was cut in half.
The side was shaved bald and the other half was long.
Could you imagine, I mean, I'm sure you have imagined, because you live on this property, have you thought about what it must have been like to live there as them before the white man arrived?
There's certainly an issue with the human body becoming addicted to unhealthy foods.
Look, me, myself, I struggle with cheeseburgers and fries.
I love them.
They're so delicious.
But I know it's super unhealthy.
But I try to limit it and I put really healthy food in between that some people don't do that They don't and if you don't you can get caught up in this addiction cycle with shit food Yeah, I mean if you're if you know everybody who does that ought to read that old report, you know Yeah, yeah Yeah.
That's certainly a good thing to read.
But I mean, it is weird.
The numbness is a good way to describe it.
Because you just keep eating and you don't see it.
You don't freak out.
It's like somehow, slowly but surely, you just get to this insane point.
Amazing industry that's grown up around, and the breakthroughs in motion picture technology, all kinds of things.
Nature films, you know, they used to really deeply...
And UBI Works, they finally are acknowledging his authorship basically of Mickey Mouse and things like that.
So I think that they're an awesome organization that has tried to grow in a beautiful way and in a way a kind of the most generous representation of the cherry on top of American culture or something.
At the same time, you really wonder, what does it actually mean?
What is the religion of Disneyism teaching us?
Is it something about...
A passive observation of reality and to kind of delight us with spectacles of our sort of delusional understanding of certain things or is it actually playing an important kind of moral role?
And I think that for the most part, you know, it's been a very benign to very positive organization, I think.
What was really kind of cool about it was there's so many people there.
I mean, it is insane.
I never saw one person raise their voice.
I didn't see one person get angry at their kids.
I didn't see...
I mean, for as much as we like to...
Talk about the negative aspects of humans and man lately on this podcast has really been a bummer.
We've been having a lot of people like like reporters telling us about corruption and Congress people running for Congress that are telling us about how Fucked up these new bills that are being passed.
I mean you just over and over again you keep hearing negative shit and we're guilty of it too.
We were discussing it.
But when you go to Disneyland you're like all these people get along great.
They promote a positive vision of possibility for all of us and have always emphasized creativity and the imagination as something that is really important.
I know, but unfortunately you know how there's going to be people, especially homeless people, that are joining these kind of protests just to be like, fuck the police, because I saw it at...
And they tried to get along, you know, instead of think that, you know, stepping outside of a place like that, which, you know, say it one way or the other, seems a little more sacred to people.
And that may seem humorous in some ways, but it's because it's focused positive, it's family oriented, it's non-denominational, and can be enjoyed and, you know, by anyone. and can be enjoyed and, you know, by anyone.
It's a fully dynamic pull you into a new way of seeing reality that kind of reorienting experience.
You know, it's like, oh well, we just want the temples to be like this because they're so exciting and they're so fun and they're Some are a little too threatening, but some are, you know, depending on the age, you know, and so you learn and you can grow and you can go and visit these things and enjoy them with your children.
Winnie the Pooh is, first of all, it's fascinating because my daughter, she's only four, and Winnie the Pooh is like, you get buckled down in this thing, and it's a slow-ass ride.
So when it's over, she looks at me and she goes, why did we have seatbelts on?
She was like, this is ridiculous.
A four-year-old is like, you don't need seatbelts for this.
This is so stupid.
Why'd they make us sit down?
But you go through it, and it's all Winnie tripping.
Because they do it in the guise of him falling asleep.
So Winnie is sitting there.
And then Winnie's ghost is doing flips over him.
And flips over him.
Then we enter into this next room, which is supposed to represent Winnie's dreams.
And it's all neon tiggers knocking them over and honeys everywhere.
And he's like, this dream's amazing.
And he's literally in heaven.
I mean, he's in this wonderful, psychedelic heaven where this, like, tiger who's neon-colored, completely, like, the whole thing is white, you know, black lights.
Look, when you go through it, when Winnie the Pooh has his psychedelic trip, like right when he goes through and he falls asleep, it's so obvious they're like acid-based.
Well, there they were, standing up like human beings, kind of.
And your association with them was person-to-person, in a way.
But they represent the character of that.
You know, in a more humanoid, anthropomorphic, talking kind of way.
So that spirit, in a sense, can speak to you.
Like you could be in contact with other animal spirits, but they would communicate to you in a certain language that you could understand.
And so always, I think, the shamans had been able to have relations with these spirit beings.
And some of the earliest cave art, actually, of male figures are so-called sorcerers, like the Sorcerer of Troifere, And it is a horned kind of deer type being that is also a man.
It tells you the shamanic, you know, x-ray vision.
That is an ancient kind of quality of vision that sometimes you appear to be able to see through to the lifeline or to the underlayment of the fabric of the body, of the physical body, to another kind of body.
It's mostly the fusion of the human and animal archetype.
You know, the most stable civilizations, I think, were from, the earliest work of art that I know of is this amazing picture, I'm sure you've seen it, of this goddess that made out of mammoth ivory.
And it looks like Dolly Parton or something.
It's an amazing buxom goddess.
And it's so archetypal.
40,000 years ago, okay.
So they were still having these figurines like the Venus of Willendorf and things like that tens of thousands of years later.
Now there isn't a civilization on earth that was more stable than the goddess worshiping cultures.
They were agricultural, they were stable, sustainable relationships with nature.
Is it just that human beings get to a certain level of technological proficiency and then they just start to fuck each other up really easily and that's when things go awry?
Well, I think that there was a remarkable breakthrough in human consciousness that led to a cerebral kind of fire of intelligence that led people to begin to write.
And to write in such a way that they could commune with the gods.
The earliest books were all religious texts.
You know, 6,000 years ago, the Vedic hymns, the Rig Veda.
And you know, that's got references to Soma, the most ancient of these psychedelic cultures.
One of the things that McKenna said, Terence McKenna said, that was so fascinating to me, and so when you really stop and think about the history of human culture and psychedelic usages, how could something that was so powerful, where they talked about it with great reverence in their scripts, how could that have gone away?
Well, we're very distractible and we're not certain about the game that we're in.
Is it an ego game or does love win the day?
And can you find your own personal connection with the creative source?
And if your life is an opportunity for your soul to read the tea leaves of your reality and See whether it's in alignment with your heart's purpose.
I mean, that's one of the other great reasons that entheogens or sacraments or meditation or yoga and meditation or any of many different ways of accessing the imaginal realms.
As a spiritual practice, I think it has much in common with prayer.
If your artwork is in service of love and truth and goodness and beauty, and that would birth a new kind of sacred art, as well as the access,
the now verifiable and repeatable access to the visionary dimensions provided by entheogens, which has happened in numerous cultures including the Greek culture, We have the foundation of Eastern civilization in the Vedic hymns mentioning a psychedelic.
Then we look at the Greek tradition and the Eleusinian mysteries, also a 1,200-year-old religion and civilization.
Really, pretty long time.
Actually, for civilizations.
And very profoundly important.
And all the philosophers that we're familiar with, Plato and Aristotle and Socrates, would have been initiates in the Eleusinian mysteries.
And so these great thinkers that formed the foundation of Western civilization had all taken a psychedelic and enabled them to commune with the gods and with the ideals.
That's why Socrates' whole platonic forms that he talks about, the ideal realms that he describes, are him clearly in contact with a visionary reality.
One of the most famous tales about Socrates is he walking across this square like he did every day and he stopped.
In the middle of the square he just started talking and arguing with this daemon, he called it, his daemon.
And this was this visionary being that he communed with and had a day-long 24-hour exchange with in the middle of the public square What?
You know, if you look at the ideals that Socrates spoke of, you know, of truth and goodness and beauty, and being in contact with the ideal realms where you commune with these, you know, angels, and you get communication from the highest.
You don't go about Messing like that.
That happens at the kind of perversion of, you know, what the intention of God is, I believe.
But in terms of reaching, you know, like, he was a just, he was interested in what was just.
Well, you see, if you want to get the most out of an experience like that, a real opportunity to drop into Infinite Love, where you and God Become one.
You know, you meet your own God self.
It is possible.
But, in Roland Griffith's study, it was those who actually were interested in contact with spiritual reality, who had an intention about it.
Spiritually inclined people were the ones who were opened up 65% of the time.
Now, each of them thought it was a positive experience.
Not all of them got all the way to the mystical experience.
But the mystical experience is something pretty well defined.
And once a person actually has that experience, it's affirmative.
It's so affirmative that you reorient your life to relate to it.
And it may not change your outer appearance.
Of your life, but it may empower it in some way with hope and, you know, new kind of creative dreams that, you know, where's your creative flow coming from?
It's not just cash flow.
It's got to be, you know, connected with whatever you feel like your creative spirit is.
You know, I have no problem with the word God, but a lot of people have.
Trouble with that, but I think that it's a legitimate way of thinking of your relationship with a spiritual reality.
Just to play devil's advocate, only so that we could answer the question, when you talk about these people that wanted to have this experience and then had the 65% of them, I mean, how much of what we're talking about is real?
And when you go into it with good intentions to have some sort of a visionary experience, how much of it is your imagination?
How much of it is your imagination acting with a hallucinogenic drug to produce this euphoric state that you think is visionary contact or some sort of spiritual contact?
And how much of it could just be your imagination mixed with drugs?
And this is what you were looking for, so your imagination created it for you.
And I'm not saying that that is bad or good, because I have a feeling, as I get older, this makes more and more sense, even though it's harder and harder to talk about.
I have a feeling that things are neither real nor not real.
I have a feeling that the way we try to define things in such simple terms...
I don't necessarily think that the imagination is not real.
I think the imagination has some sort of weird impact.
The mind and intention and the creativity has some sort of a weird impact on reality.
My question was, when I said, does it weirdly define it, to use the word God?
Because the word God, to a lot of people, does not mean that.
To a lot of people, and probably most of the world, the word God means a deity who created the earth and did it with certain intentions and has rules that you have to follow or there will be repercussions.
It's a completely different kind of God than what you're describing.
So don't leave that out or discount it or anything like that.
And so it has to have a sense of justice, all the rest of the things that religion has always had.
And that's why if we enacted our creative spirits in the service of love, And that's what happens at Disneyland.
You see that there's a lot of love in families.
To come what may, and they yell at each other, and they don't get along, and they're bitter and whatnot, but maybe for a few hours they can suspend themselves and just delight in being together, having a visionary experience.
It's a kind of a drop-down visionary experience that takes you outside of yourself.
You get pulled in.
You lose your ego for a moment and join in a collective imaginal experience.
And by the way, ladies and gentlemen, if you're playing the Joe Rogan Experience drinking game and you drink every time someone says the word experience today, you're dead.
Not just that cows were worshipped because of that.
They didn't eat them because they were worshipping them.
Because they created...
These mushrooms that let them communicate with God.
There can be no clearer...
When you're talking about poor people in India, there can be no clearer example of an entheogen being a connection to God that you literally don't kill these animals that you could use for food.
And there's a friendship that develops between the creature world and the human world.
This sense of camaraderie with the creature world, but in her case, the actual creature, in Disneyland...
We don't experience these creatures all the time.
We live in the cities.
We forget about our connection with the creatures.
And so a trip to Disneyland may remind you, even if in an anthropomized way, but they have really been working on that too.
They'll go down and open a zoo element and try to care for animals because they're part of the human story.
The animals are...
Branches on the evolutionary tree that we're in relationship with in this mighty evolutionary patchwork that is the mycelium of consciousness on the earth that runs through everybody.
It is pretty fascinating in that we have, I mean, humans, for the most part, think of animals.
You think of your dog, your cat, and then some shit that's in a cage somewhere that you can go stare at.
Or something that you can watch on a DVD. But it really is fascinating when you stop and think about the vast majority of animals on this planet are not us.
This is not our planet.
We are on this thing.
We've just figured out how to build these really stunning structures that keep them out for the most part.
But even that, they've been spotting coyotes in Manhattan lately.
They've had several coyote spottings in Manhattan.
And the heating up of the atmosphere and the political suicide.
And, you know, it's like...
I feel like it's the mighty mission of art to try and uplift humanity beyond its self-destruction.
You know, this is why...
All creators need to really consider the ethical stand that they're taking in their culture and not just be like soldiers of fortune.
If you're selling your soul that cheaply, you know, if you're not taking people to some kind of creative source and positive force, That is at the heart of their own creative spirit.
If you're not trying to ignite and uplift people's souls, what are you doing?
Well, it gives the human soul an escape for a short amount of time and gets them to think about how ridiculous something someone just said, even if it's really negative, how preposterous and ridiculous it is, especially done in the form of stand-up comedy.
For me, I just enjoy it as an art form.
I enjoy offensive comedy as an art form.
I enjoy Andrew Dice Clay.
I think he's hilarious.
I treat him like I treat a band that I enjoy.
I like what they're doing.
I like what they're doing.
It's fun for me.
It's a work of art.
It's certainly not if I wanted to talk to him as a human being and that was what his point of view on life represented.
No, he's saying a bunch of shit that is really silly.
And he's doing it in this character because he knows it's funny.
He knows what he's doing.
He knows how to make you laugh.
And there's a big difference between that and it representing his life philosophy, representing who he is as a person.
There's plenty of philosophizing going on in this podcast.
If I applied this amount of philosophy to my stand-up, no one would show up.
People would go to sleep.
After a while...
To command someone's attention for an hour and ten minutes, you have to be funny.
And you have to work on being funny.
There's a certain amount of philosophy that people will accept.
And a certain amount...
That if you're trying to get a point across, you have to throw in.
You really have to explain to people where you're coming from.
But the beautiful thing about the podcast is, when I was younger, I always thought one day I would have a message as a comic.
My comedy was so juvenile and ridiculous, and a lot of it was about sex and stupid shit.
I was like, well, someday I'll evolve my comedy to the point where it's got a message.
Because I admired certain comics that had that.
But then, as I got older, and especially as I started doing the podcast, that became less and less interesting to me.
I don't want to hear your point of view through stand-up.
It's just the same way I don't want to hear a complex idea described through a song.
I want you to tell me what you're really thinking and explain to me with all the words possible in the most descriptive and intricate and objective and subjective way possible.
I want you to explain it to me with your own words.
You do that just through stand-up.
It's a limited medium.
It's not what it's for.
It's for cracking jokes.
It's for making people laugh.
And if it's at someone's expense, the way I feel like, it's tough shit.
Not only that, I don't think it's good to enforce the idea that people should be so fucking sensitive when it comes to people communicating about them.
I think there's far too many people that get butt hurt too easy in this country, in this world, in this universe.
I think we have to be able to make fun of things and you have to be able to laugh at your own self.
And when you say, oh, is it someone else's expense?
And some people look for every fucking opportunity to cry or be negative or whine about shit or do something stupid.
And those people, I think culturally it's important To knock them down.
It's important.
It's important to all laugh together.
It's important for them because if they're doing ridiculous behavior and you highlight that ridiculous behavior, it benefits them because now they get a chance to see that, oh, everybody thinks I'm a fucking dummy.
It won't spontaneously make people laugh, because you've spoken a truth that no one will say, and it scares the crap out of people, you know, like when Bill Hicks would let loose on things, you know, it was like, oh my god, can he say that?
He said that.
And every time he would say something, it was, oh my god, I didn't know I was going there and there.
And he was a genius of carving territory.
But he also, even if he painted hell, he painted Painted a little bit of heaven, too.
He had some great points that weren't necessarily even funny, but he wanted to make them when he was doing certain bits.
But he was so interesting that he carried it anyway.
He had this thing that he wrote down, like the Bill Hicks rules for stand-up or something like that.
I forget what it was.
But one of them was, I'm paraphrasing it, that you didn't always have to be funny, just be interesting.
Sometimes you use the funny, you get the funny in there, and then you could tell them something that is entertaining for a brief moment, just not necessarily funny.
It's a tricky thing to do in stand-up, especially and not be preachy.
That's where shit gets weird.
I think it's annoying for people.
They go see a comedian and they get really preachy.
And all I'm doing is saying all of culture is necessary.
And the freedom of expression is guaranteed absolute, I think.
And it's the only way that the creative spirit can feel free enough to do anything and to explore and evolve into territory.
But if you're going to then call it something like sacred art or if you're going to Try and reintroduce.
Because my wife and I had these mystical experiences and what are you going to do then?
Oh, I think I'm just going to make art about the marketplace because that's the only thing that's going these days.
Or maybe I should do some kind of vulgar, transgressive thing to really make a spectacle and things.
Or maybe I should critique corporate, you know, vacuity or something like that.
No, the mystical experience, that's the most important thing.
And throughout history, see, the reason that Bob Jesse said, don't give the fundamentalist the word religion.
It's, you know, then, okay, you can't evolve that concept.
It's too important a concept.
To let go of.
And so you have to evolve it.
You have to take it on and say, okay, there was a primary religious experience.
That was the mystical experience.
That was the visionary experience that contacted, such as the Moses moment or these various kinds of things.
Those things recur and they continue.
And so there is contact with a sacred reality.
And if we look at love...
Just people still believe in love, and they feel it from their kids and things.
Now that means love is a cosmic force.
God or creator, whatever name you want to say, or just the Big Bang brought us, and if anybody looks at the amount of intelligence that it goes to create a cell, You know,
Dr. Hoffman, Albert Hoffman, the discoverer of LSD, used to talk about, do you think it would be possible for the parts of a cathedral to be laid out on a football field and to assemble themselves into a cathedral?
Now, you think of the unlikelihood of that, even given the, you know, like, infinite time.
And you know that it takes intelligence to build a cathedral.
And he said a self-reproducing cell is much more difficult to construct than a cathedral.
And it is done in such a microscopic way that you have to A good scientist would simply infer that the intelligence that constructed the universe is at work in so many systems that we see around us.
Even if part of your small mind is absorbed with the daily bullshit that comes floating by your screen and you get upset about it and you get hooked into your emotions and all that stuff, On the background reality, if you could just lean away from the bullshit and tap into the infinite that is always there...
The divine creative spirit that really turns people on.
That's the thing that people want to experience, the ecstasy of creation.
And when you're even gardening or when you're cooking a new kind of soup or you're being creative, you're happier.
You're not thinking about the thing that she said to you or the thing that he did or how terrible the world is or anything like that.
You've transcended the chatter of the mind, you know, briefly, and entered a creative flow that is an intuitive flow that is just a plane of consciousness higher than most of the current Video screens that people are tapped into.
So if you could just begin to lean away from that mental stuff and back into the creation that brought us here, then you'd see, like, wow, okay, things aren't really so fucked up, actually.
You know, okay, so we blow it.
Look at the magnificence of This intelligent evolution to a point where we have, even though we don't know what reality is, and this part of the imagination and consciousness, these are great mysteries.
We are God speaking to God.
We're consciousness speaking to consciousness, is the way that I see you.
You're tapped into so many networks.
You're part of a wider intelligence that encircles the globe and that listens avidly for your independent advocacy for points of view that are very marginalized in society.
society, it's an extremely important stand to take as a cultural hero to many that you will acknowledge certain things that are not popular but you feel it's important to say.
So your work comes from a place of the heart and a place of justice and a place of kind of righteous understanding of the multiple dimensions that we all dwell within.
My point of view comes from a person that feels that, like, how I know myself and my tendencies to get in bad patterns in my own life and how I've overcome that and how I've...
Sort of molded my mind and changed the way I thought about just reality, my interactions with human beings, all these things.
I know that I'm not unique in my ability to do that.
I know that a lot of people have done that, can do that, and are doing that.
And one of the things that's been the most positive benefit of this podcast for sure is running into so many people that have said that listening to these conversations and taking in these different points of view, these well-considered points of view, Have actually benefited their lives, changed their lives.
Well, you know, ketamine has an interesting kind of shadow side too that I've seen.
It's very addictive.
Yeah, for people.
And I never saw that in the classic hallucinogens that were psilocybin or even LSD or DMT. They're not really addictive in the kind of strict sense.
So ketamine is one of those interesting new It's kind of like a catapult for your consciousness.
It goes flinging out if you're laying down into What seems like a very rapid motion of your consciousness going very fast, even though you're laying down, over a texture, a kind of a vast texture.
And we had these kind of openings into the void that were very profound and very heart-opening, in a way.
If people are prophets, if people are prophets of something, he was a prophet of transformation and the use of all technology available for accessing the human biocomputer and coincidence control.
He really believed in a spiritual reality, but it was completely informed by Eureka and all the rest of the systems that he was familiar with.
But I think it was very legitimate.
And one of the most densely detailed descriptions from this trans-dimensional realm that we currently have.
But Ibn Arabi was the most scholarly, and he called the imagination your angel.
That is the place where God meets God.
That is the visionary, mystical experience that runs through all world religions, and he details it, and there are celestial hierarchies that Plotinus describes in exactly the same way.
They had a cross-cultural, although they were writing at different times, it wasn't dissemination, it was all direct knowledge.
These were people that were getting it from the highest command, and it came through their unique lens of their language, and so they each had unique prayers to be in contact with this creative force.
And he really did emphasize the sacredness of the divine feminine.
And so the great mystics have quite often done the same thing.
You know, I mean, what do we have more art of?
Goddess sculptures.
You know, the goddess is the symbol of beauty, the symbol of love for humanity.
And although it gets perverted and things like that, if you step back and just look at the flow of art history, you know, back from the 40,000 years ago to today, what is celebrated?
The beauty of the divine feminine and worshipped, really.
The creation of this sensory deprivation tank is the creation of something that allows you to take this practice of solitude and darkness to a completely new level and literally remove the body.
Well, it was created by this guy, Crash, from the Float Lab.
The Float Lab is in Venice, and it's the best place in the country.
He's a really mad scientist when it comes to it.
The filtration systems that he uses are the highest standard, and he's pushing for an industry standard to try to get people to start taking these things seriously as far as how you can clean the water to make sure that you can use them commercially.
It does wonders for me Especially after I do jujitsu classes and I'm exhausted and strained out it like it lengthens your body like your your your muscles and They contract and tighten up.
And what I mean by lengthen is they relax and sort of extend.
They relax and pull away.
Everything feels like it sort of just takes a big deep breath.
Like all of your tissue.
It relieves so much tension.
And by the way, it also benefits your body.
It's one of the best sources of magnesium because the magnesium is entering your body through the Epsom salts in your skin.
And they saw themselves as continuing to work John's obvious invention and move it forward also in a similar way that your friend is doing out there in Venice.
Like for professional pool, they found out that the color, a light blue, a light calming blue, like a blue sky, is like the best color for seeing objects around it as far as like seeing edges, the edges of the ball and things like that, the light blue.
This is what really just appeals to the eye.
They used to think it was green.
It was green for the longest time.
But now they go with light blue.
That feeling of floating also in the release of all the input that's coming in from the body allows you to take in information better.
And what Crash has been working on over at the float lab is what he calls a cellular influence device.
And the idea behind it is It is a screen that fits in front of your visual peripheral, like from here to here.
And it is the lowest emission of light that's physically possible.
So you literally don't see the edges of the television at all.
You see nothing other than whatever is being broadcast.
They figured out how to tune that in.
It took them years to figure this out.
And he has these speakers that are in the water, literally, on either side of your ear.
It's all sealed up, and so they're underwater.
And you're in this thing, and first of all, the sound moves the water.
It pulsates the water.
So you feel the sound.
You feel it in your fucking toes.
Yeah, you do whatever you want.
I mean, what Crash is trying to do is get people to start coding documentaries and instructionals to it, because he thinks it'll speed up learning by a staggering amount.
And also, the retention is just far stronger and greater because of the fact there's no distractions while it's going on.
Same as, in theory, this all needs to be tested.
But I can tell you that as far as just your sheer horsepower, To me, there's never been anything like it in my life, other than psychedelic experiences, but I consider it a very psychedelic experience.
People have to understand that silly behavior, yes, can be attributed to recreational drugs or recreational drug use.
A, one, that's not what we're talking about.
And B, just because someone is involved in something that other people are using recreational doesn't mean there's not some massive benefit to it that can be discussed by scientists on a really scholarly level.
Harnessing a substance that may help people access their expanded states of awareness.
Now that is what Dr. Hoffman wanted, and I quote him at length.
On his 101st birthday, he wrote the most remarkable thing about the promise of the entheogenic sacraments.
And about how he hoped, because he always felt tremendously guilty for anyone who had taken a wrong turn or it had catalyzed their predisposition to a psychotic state.
Borderline personality should avoid it entirely.
People who have a history of mental illness, you know, without professional use, they should avoid these things for sure.
But sometimes people take them.
And so it haunted him horribly.
And he was never an advocate, but he, at the end of his life, really, you know, he kind of told people about it.
He, on stage, would say that, you know, I synthesized it in 1938. We tested it on animals.
Nothing happened.
You know, and then five years later, you know, in April, he starts to hear a voice that asks him to re-synthesize this particular molecule.
Now, he synthesizes thousands and thousands of molecules, but he said never before had he heard that voice calling him to do a particular thing, so he did it.
And then...
April 19th, when he finally Basically dosed himself in 1943. At 4.20.
You know, something I've been noticing, and I can't explain it at all, but it's just one of those mystery things, like you were saying, like, in your dream you see these various things, you know, they're saying something.
It's almost like God is a punster, you know, and putting visual rebuses, this is a visual language, you know, in front of us.
Have you ever looked into all this stuff that's going on right now in physics where all these different scientists are proposing the idea that we're living inside of a simulation?
And it's becoming more and more prominent.
Today I got a new thing, technologyreview.com, a new thing, published by MIT. This was sent to me through Twitter.
So, of course, I had to investigate it because I'm inundated by this shit literally every day.
There's some new study or some new proposal about the world being some sort of the universe, the reality being some sort of a simulation.
When you see shit like number 420 coming up over and over again, 419 and 420, do you ever stop and go, well, maybe that's just the way it was written?
This archaic notion that all of your actions, all of your deeds, and all of our thoughts and feelings aren't all connected in some sort of a strange way, that we need to recognize, address, and we need to move forward with that as an ideal, that we are all connected.
And Afghanistan the same way, that there was a need to sell weaponry and to spend money on these, you know, These mercenaries in order to satisfy a certain hunger.
And this hunger is the shadow, is the Set, Setian energy that dwells in the desert.
And we are living off of.
What we need to become is a solar-powered humanity.
We are still struggling with Set and Horus who fought an epic battle thousands of years ago in the deserts of Egypt and continue it today.
The soul of humanity has to go toward the light and find new energy means.
To bring us out of our dependence, our addictions, to the destructive web of this kind of oilgarchy that we're enmeshed in.
So it's your opinion that September 11th was some sort of a false flag event, and it wasn't just incompetence or an attack that was capitalized on by people with nefarious ideas, that it was instead planned?
Now, I did a painting in 1989. It was a vision I had the day our daughter was born.
And it became the painting Gaia.
Now what's interesting, you can look in that book net of being.
We were in the World Trade Center September 10th, 2001. And I put my tag in there, actually.
And in the Gaia painting, there happened to be two airplanes.
And there's also the Twin Towers.
There's someone who looks strangely like George Bush.
He's embracing a terrorist and a diseased dick.
And I had no idea.
It was used in the Beastie Boys Ill Communication album, which, by the way, has...
I can't stand it.
The most famous hit from that album was Sabotage.
I tell you now, y'all, it was sabotage.
And so there are numerous things planted into the collective consciousness, you could say.
But then the comic book of Superman that came out September 12th, actually, had the Twin Towers surrounded in smoke and helicopters were around them.
The first panel, panel one, There was a hip-hop group, everybody remembers this thing, was released that week after 9-11.
There was this hip-hop group, The Coup, who had two members there, and they were with kind of like plungers, and in back of them, the Twin Towers exploding.
They were prevented from releasing it because it was September 12th.
They said, oh, whoa, whoa, whoa, no, no, no, no, no.
But September 11th in Boston was released live from New York, this particular place, this band in Boston, and it had the Twin Towers surrounded in flame.
that was what they fabricated and were to release that week, but were prevented by every good sense, you know, to say, good grief, we cannot be doing this.
So, I mean, this is a smoking gun of some kind of revelatory breakthrough That was a terrible thing.
It was a terrible thing, but it leaked through the consciousness of humanity.
So you see the power of art as prophecy, and you see the power of art as what could it point us toward.
We want to see a sacred possibility.
We want to look at our highest potential, not look at the destructive.
We want to take that power of art And plant seeds of liberation in the minds of people, not this kind of negative world of self-destructive, nihilist culture and behavior.
My point of view or what I was trying to get at was when you go into this sort of a definition of things, it's a very fantastical and amazing sort of a concept that there is some sort of frequency that we're tuning into and we're getting warnings from future events that will have a big ripple in time.
How is this normally received when you talk to people?
I think it's unsettling to most people because I haven't heard it spoken up.
But I just happened to be one of the people that got blazed with a vision.
I had forgotten about it entirely.
You know, I knew I'd painted some, oh, this is the dark possibility of humanity, and this is the light, this is the nature, you know, and this is what we have to...
And here's Al Gore with some basket of fruits and things.
When you think about these ideas and these blips and these signals and whatever it is that you tune into when you become creative, when you think about the impact that the work that comes out of it has on people, what do you think ultimately we're doing here as humans?
The waking up is happening a lot through the interconnectedness of the web of technology.
Technology had to happen after an industrial period.
All of it has been an evolving intelligence that is finally beginning to see its cosmic origins in the story of the universe that we've been discovering and the Hubble telescope that shows us the vastness of space and the understanding of dark energy now that connects everything, the clusters of galaxies that had to exist The earth is a rare...
You know the alembic that goes around the sort of...
Whatever the alchemist puts into his retort or into his flask...
This flask then is heated, and it has a special temperature that brings the interior to transformation, and it goes through a lot of different stages.
But I think of the Earth and its surrounding geomagnetic field.
The geomagnetic field is our alembic.
It's our alchemical alembic.
Now you look at the Mars and it no longer has a magnetic field around it and so everything has died.
And so this magnetic field that surrounds the Earth is our protection from the solar flares and the solar heat of the Sun and gives that beautiful kind of aurora That happens.
And so just at this particular orbit where we're in relationship with our guru, the Sun, and we have this attraction, you know, but what is attraction?
It's the bending of space-time, and you're at a particular circulation, but that circulation has the alembic of the geomagnetic field around it, thus what the experiment of life can unfold.
It takes billions and billions of years to grow an intelligence that can start to recognize its own source.
That's astonishing.
That's a great epic journey of the evolution of human consciousness and that's what's really going on.
Don't read the times, read the eternities, as Emerson said, you know.
I mean, obviously you believe that expressing yourself with love and using art and finding creativity elevates the human experience, as do I. I think there's something incredible about it.
Seeing great art in any form, whether it's great music, great paintings, whatever it is, or something about seeing someone really tap into whatever it is that is going on when you're being creative, whatever it is when you're really accessing the imagination, that elevates us.
You see that as an integral part of this experience of This transformative experience that human beings are going through, but where do you see it going?
At the Chapel of Sacred Mirrors in Wappinger, actually, we had the great eco-mycologist Paul Stamets Who's written extensively about the power of fungus.
He's one of the world's experts in medicinal and just the power of these things.
He uses them to soak up oil spills.
The oyster mushrooms and things like that have been used to draw hydrocarbons.
Out of water that's been polluted with them.
In Chernobyl, in the 30 mile radius around Chernobyl, there are funguses growing, mushrooms growing that are hot.
They're radiation filled because the mycelium that they fruit from has been drawing all of the radiation from the soil in order for life to come back to the forest.
They're the deepest, oldest plant on Earth.
And human beings themselves diverged from the fungus over 650 million years ago.
So we have this connection, this web of connectedness, and obviously a connection with the intelligence of the mushroom.
And And Paul, far from being a Terence sort of endorsing of the, you know, exogenous kind of fertilization of the earth with the spore, he believes it was homegrown.
And he believes that we're exporting.
So I love that kind of can-do Earth-based consciousness that evolved in this Alembic.
For those who don't understand what you meant by that, what you meant for the story is that McKenna believes that it's possible that mushrooms came from the vacuum of space.
The theory of panspermia, which is we know amino acids and certain things are transferred and there are asteroids here from other planets that have landed meteorites.
The human, or the great chain of being and great chain of evolution that was impacted on the earth, certainly there's a belief that the meteorite basically ended the The era of the dinosaurs and these little rat-like things that were our ancestors were able to become more dominant as a species and evolve due to the territorial kind of disputes being over with these large
But, you know, we have big brother Jupiter out there watching our back and is taking the heat.
You know, he's the bouncer of the whole cosmos or our little solar system.
And so only at a certain level, surrounded by a living kind of alembic, And shielded by a particular kind of planetary brother, was life of this kind even possible?
Think of how many billions of galaxies it might take.
We might, well, we certainly are probably the only, you know, Earth planetary consciousness in the universe, obviously.
Well, you know, my experience with Allison, just to inform that one, our first kind of breakthrough Psychedelic experience that changed both of our works.
It happened about a year after we first met, like our first anniversary, June 3rd, say, 1976. And we both melted down into these kind of toroidal fountains and drains of light.
And every other being and thing in the universe was one of these balls of light.
It's like a soul.
But it was, you know, like an amazing kind of torus.
It was like a toroidal flow.
And this thing felt much more alive and real than our kind of material world reality.
It felt like this is what's really going on.
It's eternally and infinitely light, and we are projecting our kind of souls into experiences to have enriching educational opportunities and try to wake up.
God sent us here to wake up to God, you know, to the core of our being, to our God self.
That's why this painting that's on the cover of the Net of Being is called God Self, because It's a symbol of our interconnectedness with all other God selves.
Every other being and thing in the network has access to this great, vast intelligence of the cosmos.
When you believe that and think that and then see what's going on like with everybody saber-rattling about going to war with Iran, how does that make you feel?
I feel very sad, you know, because really it's about break out the peace, monkeys.
You know, don't destroy each other and don't poison the web that sustains you.
That is only logical.
And by toxifying both the consciousness of humanity by, you know, entraining people's minds with limiting self-images instead of accessing Our unity as a human species and expand beyond that.
If you can feel, even though you may hate your neighbor, you know, you may have a gripe here or there, but ultimately you connected with loved ones.
Love brought us all here.
Love is the highest expression of the cosmos.
You know, Albert Hoffman said that, the highest refinement of light in the universe.
Is love.
Because it took a solar battery like our sun to give birth to a planet Earth, and it took the evolutionary train billions of years to get here to a point where a consciousness, a brain, was capable of having the experience of love, which was the common source of everyone.
The love that brought us all here.
To recognize it in each other, to honor it in each other through all different ways, and to celebrate that amazing experience.
Turn the ship around now, folks.
Don't go over the edge.
Don't commit suicide.
Do something harder.
Why is it more impossible, as the Occupy folks said, to imagine the end of capitalism Why is it more easy to imagine the apocalypse than the end of capitalism?
Is it possible, though, to have a God-centered consciousness and produce all the shit that we produce, to make all the laptops we make, to make all the cars we make?
Now you could say, oh, now somebody's just trying to hijack that breakthrough of the imagination.
But then you go back to when it happened.
And you realize that actually he was a psychedelic advocate and he had He, like many of his scientist friends, experimented with these substances which were supposed to catalyze the creative imagination.
So he had read the papers, and he had access to these things.
And so there was no stigma about it.
In fact, the First Life magazine stuff about psychedelics was extremely positive.
Oh, because by the time that it was a, yeah, you would think, you would think, but he might not want to sully his breakthrough by putting anything between the breakthrough insight and the, you know, then what are you talking about?
But that is an aggressive stance that the male species has promoted because it's very self-serving.
And I think that part of what we're doing at this point as evolving human beings is trying to create a new model of possibility for humanity in a realm of sometimes, for some people, diminishing expectations.
So Paul Stamets' point of view of how mushrooms can save the world And how mycelium is actually a network of intelligence that connects us with the plant realm and that we can take advantage of by tapping into the nervous system that humanity diverged from over 650 million years ago.
A lot of people, and even responsible anthropologists, think that there's something to it.
Because they certainly would have encountered the psilocybin mushrooms.
And who can say that it didn't play a part in catalyzing the growth of human consciousness?
Now, both Leary and Lilly's ideas was that these substances could advance in the evolution of human consciousness.
Now, you look at the Unio de Vegetal, which is the first psychedelic church for white people, I guess, in the United States.
And part of the mission of the UDV, which is a church that originated in Brazil, you know, the heart of the Amazon, from the green mantle of the earth, the green emerald, comes these great wisdom traditions that are spreading throughout the world with ayahuasca.
And people are waking up to the mind of nature.
Through these plant sacraments that have been used for centuries, for, you know, thousands of years, actually.
And more and more anthropologists are saying, well, they were seeing visions in the place.
We know that the bog people used to smoke cannabis, and cannabis has been humanity's friend for a long time.
Now, a neuroscientist, just to, and I'll hand the floor over, A neuroscientist quoted in Scientific American said, most neuroscientists would agree that everything that we experience is a figment of our imagination.
She might be, but she had an entire issue of Scientific American Optical Illusions that it's a yearly publication.
And so she argues for this idea of the plasticity of the mind.
And when you take these dimensional shifts, you know, like you're changing the radio station with your kind of dimensional shifting that some psychonauts are able to do, you're tapping into different wavelengths.
One of the things that always struck me about imagination is how it's sort of marginalized.
Like the idea of, oh, that Timmy's got a vivid imagination.
There's something to that.
But the reality is that every physical thing, including this building that we're in, including this chair that you're sitting in, The microphone that you're talking through.
And we've become basically numb to the spectacle of the creation that has unfolded before us.
And if we could remove our blinders and notice the awesomeness and lean away from the jibber-jabber, We could be more at peace and maybe recognize that the same beautiful, true and good stuff that flows through your heart is flowing through mine.
Well, if it is possible, I believe that conversations like this are what move the consciousness of the people who listen to this and the people who consider these thoughts.
And the things that you've said, it does move things in a better direction.
It moves it in a better direction for those people that are listening.
And I think if there's any one way we really can change this world, it's to change the way people who are open-minded view it.
If you're open and you introduce a positive new idea into someone's mind, That can change them and benefit them in a positive way.
So if you really want to change the world, you already just did it.
Well, the most important thing that's going on is really the Chapel of Sacred Mirrors project.
We're creating our first sacred structure, our temple.
We're building it there.
And it is an incredibly important time for us.
If you look at alexgray.com, it'll...
Well, let's see.
Entheon is really the thing that we're working on now.
And that is this new sanctuary for visionary art.
And it is multi-denominational.
Trans-denominational acknowledgement of the power of the creative spirit, and it's occurring in architecture now.
And it's a place to house this thing.
It's something Allison and I were shown in a dream.
And she is the co-founder of the Chapel of Sacred Mirrors.
She inspired the Sacred Mirrors series.
She named the sacred mirrors.
So the honoring of the divine feminine is really at the center of my life, and she turned my life around with her love.
And so that kind of love and the creative evolutionary Spirit that goes through everybody is kind of what we celebrate at COSM. And so people do a lot of creative...
You know, there's Art Church.
We just had an awesome Art Church with other visionary artists.
It's happening around the world.
Visionary artists are providing cultural alternatives, where like-minded people, we call them the love tribe, because you find them all over the world, who've awakened to something beyond the stressful They're politically charged national boundaries and they're global citizens.
They are tapped into the world-centric intelligence that could help lead us to a planetary civilization.
If I wanted to just introduce you to something that would get you to really appreciate the impact of audiobooks, that's my personal...
Idea.
That's Brian's as well.
It's a great choice.
Give it a shot, but there's a million books on there.
I mean, I don't know how many there are, but it's an incredible amount of interesting books on CD, or on audio rather, an mp3 form that you can listen to pretty much anywhere, and it just makes commutes, and it makes otherwise meaningless time.
It makes it educational and inspirational, and it's a An awesome website.
Audible.com forward slash Joe.
Go there and get your free 30 days of audio books, you son of a bitch.
All right.
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December 21st, 2012. The tickets are available right now.
No, there's not going to be any end of the world, folks.
Okay?
Everything's going to be beautiful.
And if you go to twitter.com forward slash Joe Rogan and search through my timeline, you can see that there's pre-sale for today and tomorrow, and the password is tickets.
All right, you freaks.
That's it for this week, because I've got to go to Brazil, and I won't be back until next week.
But next week, we've got five podcasts, and it's going to be fucking awesome, so we'll see you then.