Amber Lyon, a former CNN journalist, exposes Bahrain’s 2011 U.S.-funded crackdown—$1B+ in weapons fueling torture, suffocation deaths, and miscarriages—while detailing CNN’s censorship under PR pressure. She warns of police militarization (Anaheim protests, rubber bullets, beanbag rounds) and NDAA threats to press freedom, comparing Julian Assange’s persecution to mainstream media’s immunity. Rogan and Lyon critique systemic repression, from $2B NSA spying tools to Libya’s 2012 attack cover-ups, questioning reform amid institutional decay. Lyon’s activism contrasts with dismissive narratives, while Rogan speculates on psychedelics’ role in awakening societal change—urging listeners to seek truth beyond distractions like propaganda or entertainment. [Automatically generated summary]
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Amber Lyon is here, and shit's about to get crazy.
For folks who don't know the story, the story that I got from the Alex Jones show is, and this is a subject that I have been really curious about why this wasn't receiving any mainstream coverage when we would see all this coverage of what was going on in Syria and all this coverage is going on in Egypt and in Libya, but we never saw anything on Bahrain.
And I saw some horrific videos that I found online of just...
The military assassinating different people that were protesting.
And you look at the video and you're like, how is this not huge?
How is this not all over the news every day?
How are we not imposing sanctions on this country?
How are we not speaking out against this horrific show?
It was just horrifying to watch.
But it was weird how silent the mainstream news was about it.
I think in 10 years if people go back and evaluate the situation, they'll They thought you were going to be a female Ryan Seacrest and just run with this.
Well, there's a weird trend, especially in Fox News.
They have these gorgeous women reading the news.
I'm like, that is such a sneaky trick.
Because especially if you're a guy who can't get laid, having a beautiful woman talk about anything is like, I just want to hear her talk.
I just want to just tell me tell me what's going on and so like what better way to program people for your right-wing agenda than have like the hottest chicks on the planet tell you what's wrong with the left and then also have them say weapons of mass destruction and it worked You know, obviously, we ended up in Iraq and Afghanistan, and they're continuing to feed us propaganda.
I don't think we can blame the hot chicks.
But yeah, the propaganda is strong, for sure.
Well, tell us your experience, because you know better than anyone.
You were working on CNN. I saw some of the other stuff that you did that was amazing, especially the piece on the child prostitutes in Las Vegas.
We send, I don't know the exact amount of money, but I know that we send more than a billion dollars worth of weapons.
We've given them more than a billion dollars worth of weapons.
They're using some of these weapons.
Some of this tear gas that they're using to systematically gas their people, which they are doing.
They're taking weapons that they're allowed to use, which is tear gas and birdshot, and instead of using those for crowd control, they're using those to systematically kill their people and gas them.
Yeah, because it's UN approved, so they're literally dropping tear gas on these villages every single day, all day long and night.
And Physicians for Human Rights, a Nobel Peace Prize winning organization, has been trying to raise hell about this because it's tearing up these people's lungs.
People who are asthmatic are dying.
Elderly are dying, they're suffocating in their homes, and they're misusing this gas.
And it's a very systematic way that they're doing it.
People are having miscarriages, women.
Some of these doctors are now connecting it to the tear gas.
So this is something that needs to be talked about urgently, because these people, as I speak right now, they're being gassed.
So far they don't know because they can't 100%, you know, say you were gassed and a couple days later you die because you have respiratory issues, you can't 100% connect it to the gas.
But so far more than a couple dozen people have been killed.
Yeah, and I think it's a way that they're trying to suppress the protests, also a way that they're trying to silence the opposition and get people in these neighborhoods to convince the youth to quit protesting because they keep getting gassed as a result of it.
And a lot of people will say, okay, Bahrain is so far away.
What does it matter to me?
I always explain this to my sister because she's in that mindset.
She doesn't really know about the politics in the region.
Well, we keep hearing more and more about Iran and a potential war with Iran.
So we need, we have a Navy base in Bahrain.
And Bahrain is right across, there's a body of water separating Bahrain and Iran.
So we need that naval base if we're going to go in and eventually attack Iran.
It's very strategic for the U.S. That's why we have Bahrain as an ally.
And so this situation is a situation where the US is giving Bahrain money and keeping our base there and allowing these atrocities to happen.
Because of a potential war with Iran.
So your tax dollars are going directly to this regime.
Not only that, covering up this story further gets us into a potential conflict with Iran because we're demonizing people who we want to attack and then we're praising people who we want to keep as our allies.
We had machine guns pointed at our heads, and they tried to erase all of our video.
And this was about a 10 minutes drive from the naval base where 15,000 Americans are living.
And they tried to bury the story.
But fortunately, I was with another female producer.
We were able to hide these media discs actually in our bras during the detainment.
Wow.
Not that I look back on it, it's kind of funny, but at the time we were very worried about the discs falling out as you're laying on the ground and you have a gun pointed at your head and they're erasing your video.
You don't want that disc to drop out on the floor.
What is it about the Middle East that makes these crazy dictators?
I mean, that's really the last place in the world where dudes are still rocking an old school like that, where there's like a king running a whole country.
There's only the Middle East.
And it's really fascinating when you look at human history and you find out that that's where the original civilization, the oldest known civilization is Sumer.
That's where Iraq is.
So those people that are there are essentially the townies of the world.
It's like people in the Middle East that are like these dictators.
I mean, they really are running things the way they did thousands of years ago.
They have never had to evolve.
They've never had to move on like the rest of the world has.
I don't think we can even wrap our heads around the idea of kings in this country.
It seems even though as our police state clamps down and our rights start slipping away every day with more of these insane bills that passed, I still don't think we understand what it would be like to be under the rule of Saddam Hussein and having his Uday and whatever his other son's name, those crazy evil psychopath sons running around torturing and killing people.
So that's another thing that I don't think our current government wants us to discuss, because they don't want the people to be outraged and make us leave, and they don't want this protest to succeed, because if the protests succeed, these protesters are going to kick the U.S. out.
I mean, the U.S. has aided this regime in oppressing them for Decades.
And so that's another reason the U.S. doesn't want this reported on in the mainstream news.
And it's not, don't let people lie to you and tell you it's about, they're worried about human rights abuses in Iran, because look what we're doing in Bahrain in order to potentially attack Iran.
We're helping them oppress hundreds of thousands of people on a daily basis.
So if we really cared about human rights, we would have left Bahrain a long time ago, and we wouldn't be sending them weapons.
Yeah, well, what happened was once I got back from Bahrain, they were surprised when, obviously, the Bahrain regime, when we started airing this video, because we were able to sneak out with the video.
They thought that they had erased all of our video.
And so we started airing these stories.
And at first, it was great.
CNN was letting us air all of these.
And that was for, you know, about a week or so.
It was very easy to get coverage on.
But then Bahrain started calling and complaining.
And they're PR companies.
They pay US citizens and US PR companies to do PR for them.
The people can't afford that, but of course the regime can.
And then eventually, three months later, we finished our documentary and we found out that it wasn't going to be airing on CNN International.
It aired once on CNN US, but never on CNN International to the target audience Which is the most viewed English news station in the region.
And so these people needed to see this documentary, and it wasn't airing.
And I've had documentaries I've done at CNN that didn't air on CNN International, but this entire documentary was shot overseas.
And what really got me was my bosses directly above me were dumbfounded.
We would have phone calls and emails and people said, I don't know why this isn't airing.
I don't know what's going on.
My producers were very, very upset.
I mean, they had risked their lives to tell this story.
Our sources had risked their lives to tell CNN their story.
One guy who worked for Doctors Without Borders, his house was burnt down after he talked with us.
And our main source in the documentary, he's in prison right now.
His mom just died yesterday and he didn't even get to say goodbye to her.
Nabeel Rajab, he's in prison for the next three years.
And he's a peace activist who has a picture of Gandhi on his cell phone.
And so all of these sources that helped us film this documentary were punished and harassed for helping CNN. And so we still couldn't believe why they hadn't aired it on CNN International.
And so I kept getting people writing me and calling me and telling me, you need to look into this.
There's something going on here.
It's a much bigger story.
And seeing as how I don't have a family and, you know, I'm not tied down to a retirement plan or I really could give a crap about the money, I started looking into it and realizing that Bahrain's actually a paying customer at CNN. They are literally paying the network for programming.
Journalistically, I don't know if a lot of people out there listening know about journalistic ethics, but we're supposed to be watchdogs on government.
We're not supposed to accept money from them.
Not only accepting money.
Okay, that's different.
If you accept money and you air a commercial, but they're actually airing hour-long programs on CNN. Paid for by the Bahrain regime.
Not only Bahrain, we're talking Georgia, Kazakhstan, and other regimes.
And this has been going on for decades.
And it bothers me because people are being lied to.
Well, exactly, because it's shaping our foreign policy.
I mean, they're feeding the American public this propaganda so that they think everything's rosy and happy in Bahrain, when really the situation there is horrific.
And if you look at one of these programs, you can YouTube it.
It's called I List Bahrain.
They have their host, Richard Quest.
They have him live at the racetrack for a week in Bahrain talking about how wonderful the country is and how progressive it is.
And he interviews the crown prince and calls him a reformer.
And this is the same crown prince who was in power when troops shot and killed in broad daylight.
These tanks just shot out into a crowd of protesters and just killed them in broad daylight.
This is the prince that two years earlier CNN was telling the public was great, was progressive, a reformer.
And it's not fair to the public when you watch these, the disclosures are so minimal or they're not even there.
Go and YouTube the videos.
It's not fair to not only CNN's journalists, to our sources, but to the people watching, because they don't know they're getting propaganda.
Europe's second largest country is the focus of-- - If you look up, yeah, the Ukraine, I mean, they're letting the Ukraine pay.
Look up an iList Bahrain commercial, and you can watch the whole commercial, and you'll see not once in the commercial that's like progressive, fabulous, new.
This week we're talking about Bahrain.
You know, it never says in the commercial that this is paid for by Bahrain.
That's why another reason I came forward urgently, because this is about much more than Bahrain, and the systematic cover-up of what's happening in Bahrain only tells you what's potentially going to happen in the future and in the near future, and that's an attack on Iran.
Or potentially some people, if you go to the far side, who have really analyzed this, could say this could potentially become World War III. Jesus Christ.
I mean, it's just to control oil, and this is the way they've always done it, so they're going to continue to do it this way, even though now people are paying attention, finally, for the first time in human history?
Did you see the lobbyist for Israel who was thinly veiled trying to promote some sort of a false flag event?
He was talking about what we need to do.
We need to have a green light to start our war with Iran.
And it's just like we needed Pearl Harbor to happen for us to attack Japan.
We need the Gulf of Tonkin.
He's the Gulf of Tonkin, which is a known false flag event.
I mean, it's been proven that the Gulf of Tonkin, the whole thing was a big fake story in order to get people to be excited about going to war in Vietnam.
And he was talking about that as if it was like some sort of an actual historical event.
Yeah.
To bring it up like that in 2012, you have to either plead extreme ignorance or you've got to say that this is a thinly veiled statement that we need another false flag event because we're going to go into Iran no matter what.
So let's just pretend Iran tried to blow something up and go fuck them up.
Well, that's what worries me is because Gwyneth says that the same forces behind that and Iraq are now behind the current push to get into Iran.
And I trust her because she risked everything to come forward and reveal that and now is in hiding in Australia.
I don't know all of the details about it, but I do know that they were going to try to make it look like Iran had blown something up or attacked one of our U.S. bases.
If you talk to the average American person, they think of, what is America?
Well, America's about freedom.
We're about carving your own path.
We're about...
How did we get to be this nation of people that are led by these really evil corporations?
I mean, that's essentially what the military is.
If you look at the military, it's something that the banks and the people that are in power, the people that put presidents in power are using in order to force their corporate agenda.
It's all about Controlling some resource, extracting some resource, controlling some areas.
That's all it's about.
Whenever they call it defense, it's so offensive.
What are you defending us against?
You're out there fucking people up.
It almost has nothing to do with defense.
It has everything to do with offense.
If you say the best defense is a good offense, I guess maybe you can call it defense.
It's not what we think of ourselves.
We don't think of ourselves as this horrific force that's destroying parts of the world in order to control its resources.
We don't think about that at all.
Most people like to think of America as a fucking eagle or something.
We like to think of ourselves as proud people who can come here and anybody can make it.
There's no caste system here and you can really work hard and get ahead.
How the fuck did we become this nation run by assholes?
I know, and it's weird when you wake up at that moment and realize, oh my god, you've been lied to almost all of your life about certain things that are happening in this country.
You know, I don't know exactly what's behind this, but I do know that, I mean, if you look at NDAA and things that have happened over, just I know just in my career over the past decade, I covered the oil spill, I've covered the nuclear industry, all the wars, and really getting into it, I start, the more I analyze it, the more I think we've really lost control of the country that people have.
It seems to be about having the legal means to squash any dissent any way they want.
And that's in place now.
Because of NDAA, which people don't understand, keep rallying against it, talking about it, like, God, why are you so freaking out about this?
Well, this is why.
Because they can essentially throw you in jail.
You can't call your lawyer.
You have no trial.
They can do whatever they want with you now.
There's no rights anymore.
It's essentially they put into law that they are just like a king.
They can do what a king wants to do.
Now, this Bradley Manning guy who pulled the plug on WikiLeaks and the guy who distributed all the information to them, or who blew the whistle, rather, he pulled the plug.
And that's another story that was really difficult to cover, stories of leaks and stuff while I was at CNN, and overall, in general, because of Obama's war on whistleblowers and journalists now.
Right now, he's been subpoenaing journalists for their sources, and he's gone after more journalists and whistleblowers than any other president in history, including one journalist, James Risen of the New York Times, a Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist.
He's gone after him with subpoenas to try to get him to reveal information about his sources.
As journalists, we don't give up our sources.
I mean, that's the number one rule.
So, in effect, he's turned journalism into a criminal behavior and turned us into criminals.
For me, it's terrifying because if someone comes to me and leaks a document that's vital to the public good that we need to know about in order to fix our government, Then I become a target, too, because they come after me.
And NDAA, that's another fear.
They have a fear it will be used against journalists because we're not giving up our sources.
They will consider us to be aiding terrorists or terrorism and lock us up as well.
And I think there's a lot of fear amongst the investigative reporters, investigative reporting community that this could happen under NDAA. So you're at CNN. All this is going down.
The first time he said he'd get back to me, and then he never got back to me, so I made an appointment months later, and at that point he questioned me as to why a well-known New York Times reporter, Nick Kristof, had tweeted about the fact that they never aired the documentary.
He tweeted something to the effect of, CNN, why didn't you air Amber Lyon's iRevolution documentary, Intimidation?
Suggesting that Bahrain had intimidated CNN into not airing it.
So he only questioned me about that in more of a kind of condescending, you better not be talking kind of way.
And then eventually our unit was dissolved at CNN, so I was forced out.
They dissolved our documentary and investigative unit.
And I kept having this in the back of my head, like, you know, when you can't sleep at night because you know something is going on.
And I didn't know how to come out and tell people about it because it is a very...
I had to get all my ducks in a row because Time Warner is a very powerful enemy to have against you.
And so finally when I came out, just to test the waters mentally, I tweeted about the fact that they had censored the documentary and then right away my agent was called and I was told on behalf of all the main executives at CNN, my agent was called and And told on behalf of these executives, you need to be quiet or you're going to lose your health insurance and your severance.
And at that point, when they called to threaten me, I knew that I had to come out with this full-fledged.
Because at that point, it solidified that they're trying to cover something up and shut me up.
Not only that, so I grew up in the Midwest, so the middle of the country where no one speaks Spanish.
Where are you from?
St. Louis, Missouri.
And so I was at a restaurant there where a lot of the staff speaks Spanish very loudly because they know no one in St. Louis knows Spanish.
And one time I'm sitting there and I'm ordering food and I hear the guys talking about my body and breasts and everything else and clearly understand it.
And toward the end I let them go on for a couple minutes and toward the end I turned to them and I said, Which really means how sad that you have a small penis.
And they laughed so hard.
They were throwing stuff around the room.
And I really got them.
And that's kind of the way I do it.
Like, if I hear something, I'll turn and I'll just say that kind of sly to them.
And then they get a laugh out of it.
And then maybe know in the future that people speak their language.
Yeah, my ex-girlfriend, she could speak, and she would tell me, like, all the time, like, that person just said I had nice tits while we were walking by him, but she learned after a while she wouldn't tell me until, like, minutes later, because I kept on getting pissed.
It's fascinating that when you go back to the Constitution and when you go back to these guys that were originally starting off this country and they kind of saw this shit coming.
It's really amazing.
When you really look at the obvious patterns of corruption that people in power seem to follow over and over and over again, those guys all saw it coming.
They all saw it coming.
They had provisions.
They had it set up.
So you're supposed to protect people from that as much as possible.
You're not supposed to use the military to control civil unrest.
You're not supposed to use the army on its U.S. citizens.
All that was changed by NDAA. That's another thing that a lot of people don't know.
You're allowed to use the military now.
The military can come in, the army against U.S. citizens.
The Anaheim thing was weird because there was a media blackout about it.
It was really ugly.
Watching people wearing full military gear with camo, desert camo, walking through the streets is really unsettling.
First of all, why are they wearing fucking camo?
Are you hiding?
Are you pretending we're in Iraq?
Are you reminding me that these people are train killers that go to Iraq and now I'm the enemy?
Is that what this is supposed to be?
Am I supposed to feel unpatriotic for not giving in to what's going on here?
A cop shot a kid in the back and people are freaking out.
Everybody should be freaking out.
Obviously some horrible thing happened.
Everybody should be freaking out, including these people that are holding these guns, including these people wearing camo with body armor.
You should be freaking out too because this is all America.
This is all part of your community and someone who is in a position of power Made a horrible mistake.
And these people want justice.
And you know what?
They should get it.
They should be able to feel safe.
There's a terrible gap between the way people are in power, whether it's police officers, anybody that is in a position of power, and the people that get suppressed by those people.
That gap is a really scary thing.
And when a cop who is in a position of power shoots a kid, and then they see no repercussions.
They see We're good to go.
The person in power and the person they're supposed to be protecting.
And to see people reacting, that's the way they chose to react.
By sending in the military?
Whoa.
Whoa.
That's not how you're supposed to do it.
You're supposed to do it by sitting down with the community and figuring out what we can do to make sure this never happens again and to make sure that the person who did this never has the opportunity to do this again.
Whether it's put them in jail, whether it's take them out of office, you know, fire them instantly and put them in jail, whatever it is, whatever, you know, the courts deem the correct action.
But you have to have justice.
You have to have justice for everybody.
It can't just be for, you know, people who can afford it.
I mean, that guy, Manuel Diaz, was shot in broad daylight.
So people were obviously upset.
And I remember being there, and we were in the middle of the road at a march, and I looked over my shoulder, and I saw the trucks coming down the street with police officers dressed in camo.
It's almost like everything just came to a stop.
Even the protesters, everyone could not believe what they were seeing, that these officers were dressed like that for unarmed children and women and men who were protesting.
I feel a systematic crushing of dissent or protest by police departments across the country.
Look up Tim Pool and Amber Lyon shot at by Anaheim police.
Because we were trying to cover this, Joe, and the police, we had noticed, kept setting up walls to keep us behind the police officers as we were covering it so we wouldn't be there with the people to see how they were being treated, also to see how they were being shot with these non-lethal rounds.
And at one point, I was actually fired on by the Anaheim Police Department with less lethal rounds, but I was clearly standing in a busy street and they knew, here we are.
So we're in a busy street and there I am right there.
And the guy yells, fucking pigs.
And then listen now.
And see the U-Haul?
Right then I stopped and I was literally sitting there and hidden between two U-Hauls as rounds kept going past.
And I clearly have blonde hair and a bright green shirt on and was shooting photos of a dumpster that had been set on fire.
And finally, after a couple minutes, I ran out and I was screaming press and they quit firing.
And one of the officers looked at me and said, I was really worried about you.
And then he also said, don't you know how to cover a riot?
And then he pointed back at a photographer who was behind the police line with them, following the police, instead of actually hanging out with the protesters like we're supposed to do as journalists.
We're out there to be a watchdog on authority and protect the public.
In other words, that's what I believe they were doing, is trying to keep me from being with the protesters to film their injuries as civilians and bystanders were getting hit by these less lethal rounds.
And that's pretty scary because they're trying to oppress not only these voices of dissent, but journalism and journalists.
The system of government that we have, that the people that are in power are slowly tightening things down on us in the same age as the information we're getting from the internet now.
The same age of instant information, instant about anything, answers to any question.
The distribution of information through social media, through podcasts and Twitter and Facebook.
It's never been greater.
The access to information is so instant and so...
But yet at the same time, you have these crazy crackdowns, this crazy police state.
It's almost like we're turning the light on a vampire and it's shrieking and reacting and showing us its true self.
In these days gone by, when we didn't have the access to information, when we didn't know what was going on during the Gulf of Tonkin, when we didn't know what was going on during...
Who knows how many different United States ventures overseas?
When we didn't know, we had a different impression of ourselves.
We had a different impression of the whole system of government that we operated under.
Is it that or is it things are getting worse?
Is it that or we really do have crooks in office and they are acting differently than Jimmy Carter would have or Bill Clinton would have?
People criticize RT, but RT at least is covering what's happening in this country.
Why do people criticize RT? Because they say it's state-sponsored and they're not accurately portraying what's happening in Russia.
But regardless, they are accurately covering what's happening here in the US. And that should have been, if you're really looking at the situation with journalism and In the U.S. and the survival and what's an important story, that should have been on all of the mainstream media outlets.
They were walking down in rows, the police, just walking through these neighborhoods.
And you would see people peering out their gates.
They're looking just horrified as walls of police officers would just come through their neighborhoods and just start firing and going through dark alleyways and firing.
There are many times I had to scream, "Press!
See, look at that right now.
They're just walking through these neighborhoods with their guns pointed." These are elderly people and right there is- Those are beanbag rounds, and then the red things are pepper balls.
And what the pepper balls do, it's like a paintball but filled with pepper spray, and it comes out, you know, makes it hard to breathe.
The beanbag rounds, those are what worry me because those have a pillow wrapped around a lead pellet, and they can still tear open your skin.
And like we were talking about earlier, if they hit you in the chest and your ribs were to break and pierce your heart, you could die, as well as it could crack your skull.
It's killed people if it hits you in the neck.
And that's why it's terrifying to be shot at like that.
And you saw those people just standing in the street.
It doesn't seem like that would have happened just a decade ago.
I mean, does it?
Was this how it was?
I mean, obviously, they had a clampdown during the LA riots.
But it seems like the LA riots was a far more violent protest.
It was far crazier.
And it was a huge racial divide.
But even then, I don't remember seeing this.
I don't remember seeing people just walking down streets, just firing indiscriminately into alleys and shooting at reporters, shooting at people that call them pigs.
Someone calls you a pig, you're allowed to shoot at them?
And I think that, you know, that has been, journalistically, a lot of us have been trying to analyze whether things have gotten worse or they haven't.
And I've just noticed myself, I've been covering the protests for a year, I've noticed things getting worse as far as the garb that police are wearing, the video game-like.
Intimidation tactics when they wear these ridiculous uniforms to a couple old people in front of Walmart.
You saw that.
This is systematically dangerous for this country because what it does is it instills fear in people and it makes people scared sometimes to get out and protest.
Not only that, it agitates people.
Look at Anaheim.
They were fine.
They just had come out to get Upset about Manuel Diaz.
And then the police show up and start firing on them.
I don't know if you saw the video of the police dog getting loose on the crowd.
Well, what happened was first the police dog got released on the crowd and then they're firing on women and children and so that created a lot of anger then they went to City Hall to complain and then the protesters didn't leave the front of City Hall so that night I think a couple rocks had been thrown or I know a bottle at one point came right past my head It
Yeah, and right after a bottle or rocks were thrown, I mean, a wall of officers, when I say a wall, a wall of officers just started, bam, bam, bam, bam, into the crowd, and there were women and children.
It's just, I mean, I know that Obama can't have his finger on every trigger.
He can't be the one that's calling for all of this, but it just...
It's so shocking for me after the idea that everybody kind of thought when this guy got into office that at least socially this was a change for the better.
This was a guy who was obviously really intelligent.
Really, like, highly educated, thoughtful, a great speaker, young and vibrant.
This sort of represented hope, a black guy.
He's the president.
He just represented, like, this new breath of fresh air, like, finally we got this guy in the office.
This is a fucking president.
My whole life I've been waiting for this guy to be in the office.
And then this shit happens?
It's like...
It's crazy.
It's the best evidence ever that the president doesn't really get to ever really be the president.
Because when I saw that everyone had called for change...
And then when I saw not only that, but historically speaking, the Democratic Party has been more favorable toward journalism and journalists.
And to see the way he's attacking systematically journalism with NDAA, And with the subpoenas and how things just really haven't changed.
The only thing that's changed is we've had now our First Amendment rights taken away from us at an alarming rate.
And it kind of makes you think you really have to stop and think you are not being an extremist in your views and you're not out there to really logically put things together, put the pieces of this puzzle together and realize that we don't have control of this country anymore.
It's got this costume on it, but if you look at the rules, the rules are essentially a dictatorship.
With NDAA especially, that's just...
Julian Assange essentially just did what a journalist is supposed to do.
I know there's a lot of people that are confused about what he did.
There's a lot of misinformation about his releasing of names of people that were undercover.
That's not true at all.
If you look at what he actually did, what he actually did was release some horrific facts.
And that's supposed to be what journalism is about.
Journalism is supposed to be holding people accountable.
So that we don't have to have this distorted perception of what we're doing overseas.
We actually can see the horrific nature of these crimes.
They're fucking war crimes.
They're horrible things.
And it's a daily, day-to-day thing.
And all of a sudden, it was thrust into the public eye.
But it wasn't by the New York Times and it wasn't by the Washington Post.
It wasn't by the Boston Globe.
It was by this one freaky dude with white hair.
You know?
And so it was really easy to call this guy an enemy.
It's really easy.
And that's what they've got him labeled now.
He's an enemy of the state.
They have him labeled as an enemy of the state.
But you look at his actual actions.
There really has been nothing horrible, even if he was a United States citizen, there's nothing he did.
What he did, if he was a United States citizen, would essentially be patriotic.
What he did was expose the bad elements of our government so that the good elements could clean up the mess.
Because when you find a cop that's doing something illegal, you find a cop that's selling drugs, you're not supposed to...
Bring that up and expose that and then you go to jail for being an enemy of the state.
No, it's supposed to be you have exposed a corrupt part of our system.
Thank you very much for doing that.
We got them now.
We arrest them.
Like on CSI or in some fucking movie, they would arrest them and throw them in jail.
But in the case of the U.S. military, we're completely beyond that.
We're completely beyond any accountability.
They're completely beyond Any exposure of any sensitive information that they don't leak themselves is thought to be treasonous.
It's thought to be a crime against the state.
And that's a sickness.
That's a real sickness.
There's a bunch of crazy fucks in power that are treating us the same way King treats his disciples.
It's really the same thing.
If you can't release...
Clear video that shows something wrong, that has not been addressed, and that people did not know about, and something that was going to make people reconsider the way they think about the military, reconsider the way they think about what it is to have your own children over there.
As soldiers doing these things.
What are we really doing?
If you look at that collateral murder video, that's a disturbing fucking video.
And that's a good video for everyone to see.
Because it lets people know the truth.
It lets people know this really happened.
And your government did not want you to know about it.
And they tried very hard to keep this information from you.
Here's a bunch of other shit that really happened.
With each passing thing that they release, it becomes more and more obvious how corrupt this entire system is.
From lobbyists to special interest groups to being beholden to corporations to get into control to controlling natural resources in different countries.
It's a giant money grab.
I mean, that's all it is.
And anybody that steps in and tries to fuck the money grab up is a terrorist.
If we had more whistleblowers, we would, because they'd be able to do what I've done with CNN, and I said that this isn't right.
Look what they're doing.
As a viewer, you should know when you're watching this, it's state-sponsored.
It's just a little thing that will help enlighten some people.
We need that information.
It's power.
And overall, overwhelmingly, Americans are amazing, positive people who are able to make a difference and would be horrified if they knew of some of the things that are happening in the military and in these corruptions.
And that's why they're going to such great lengths to keep people from coming forward.
But I know there is a feeling in the journalist community now, especially with NDAA, that we are scared that one day there's going to be a knock on the door.
And people don't, people, like you said, are just, why are you talking about NDAA? Well, it's so terrifying because this is now, I mean, come on, let's get to the black and white of it.
What's a terrorist anymore?
Nelson Mandela was called a terrorist.
Martin Luther King.
I mean, now you can use terrorists to pretty much try to take out any of your enemies or anyone who is Is maybe an investigative reporter or a radio show host Who's against what the government's doing And that is so scary for so many of us I love it when they became insurgents What's going on now?
Yeah, I mean, I don't even know how much I can, it's just, I feel like I could talk about all of this forever, but this is really one of the first times I'm talking about the WikiLeaks issue.
But that was another hands-off kind of red tape story as well.
And it was difficult to get coverage of that, especially with any type of leaks.
This is what's happening now.
If someone comes forward with a leak to the mainstream media, now because of Obama's subpoenas, they have to analyze the legal aspect and whether they're willing to pay the money if it's potentially subpoenaed.
And so that makes stories more expensive when it comes to leaks.
Also, a story that I saw that was very difficult to cover was, I see you have a mask over there, anonymous.
Yeah.
That became really difficult to cover because pretty much at this point, the FBI came out last year in last winter and talked about how they feel cyber terrorism is one of the biggest threats to the country.
And in that speech, Robert Mueller also mentioned he threw in a line about script kiddies and people working on computers in their parents' basements, which pretty much meant he was referring to anonymous.
So, journalistically, that became, if you cover anonymous, you have a chance of getting subpoenaed because the federal government is against Anons.
And so it became very difficult to cover that story as well and became more of an analysis on whether we're able to spend the legal money than whether the story is journalistically important.
I think the anonymous story is very important because we can't allow the federal government to come out and just call people terrorists or say...
Cyber terrorists or try to instill fear.
We need to know, there's a mask, the Guy Fawkes mask.
We need to know, as journalists, we need to be able to talk to these people to see what they're really all about.
We all know now we can't trust our government to tell us who our enemies should be.
We need to know as journalists.
We need to be able to go and talk to people, even down to Al-Qaeda.
We need to be able to get in and talk to these individuals.
You know, or it really lets you know whose agenda they're on.
Like, if you look at the situation with the FBI going after Anonymous and spending those kind of resources on Anonymous, wait a minute, why aren't you going after the bankers here?
Why are you spending these resources doing these elaborate missions to try to crush hackers who the majority of them are actually on human rights missions and aren't even hackers, they're just Disseminating information on the internet and that's when I knew that that was another thing because they'd hit some corporations and so it's like okay so they're going after anonymous because the corporations are controlling our law enforcement decisions.
I mean that was the black and white of the situation.
Why aren't they going after bankers?
Why are they going after anonymous?
And that's why it's so important for us as journalists to be able to get in and talk to these individuals.
I wonder how they justify it at the highest level.
I really would love to see the meetings.
When they get together and draft something like the National Defense Authorization Act, I would love to see what the conversation is like.
What do you want to put in there?
Oh, we fucking locked them up for whatever.
For whatever.
For anything.
You want to just put for being an enemy of the state?
Yeah, an enemy of the state.
That's good.
Enemy of the state.
Which is such vague terminology that you can use it for a journalist, a guy like Julian Assange.
Because Julian Assange is with WikiLeaks and not with the New York Times.
If Julian Assange was with the New York Times, the New York Times released all those WikiLeaks documents, it would have been a very different story.
But because he's in this WikiLeaks, what the fuck is a WikiLeaks?
It's connected to Wikipedia, which is sort of silly as it is.
Not completely reliable, you know?
So it's sort of this...
It's dismissed.
It's not the New York Times.
The New York Times has been around.
This is a new thing.
Because it's a new thing, we can say it doesn't count.
Like, you can't have new...
It doesn't exist.
Only the stuff that already is here, because we've got that shit under wraps.
So because it wasn't with the New York Times, then all of a sudden this guy can be labeled an enemy of the state.
I mean, it would be a very different reaction if the New York Times printed that, and the government went after the New York Times and called the New York Times the enemy of the state.
Then people would have to go, whoa.
Like, what's going on here?
But because it's WikiLeaks, everybody should have.
Every journalism, every person that cares about true principles, every journalist should have stood up and, I mean, it should have been the front page of every newspaper.
It should have been like, this can't happen.
This is why it can't happen.
This is why we need people to watch after the government.
We need people to make sure that all...
You can't just trust the government.
To look out for the good of the people.
You need people watching them.
And that's what journalism has always been about.
It seems like that's what that guy's doing.
It doesn't seem like he's doing anything different.
But yet, he's hiding in a fucking embassy in London now.
And they're circling the house trying to figure out how to get him out.
I mean, it's nuts.
It's really weird.
Because essentially they're saying...
I mean, they're talking about going in.
They've talked about going in several times.
But essentially they're saying that the rules are bullshit.
And their main goal in all of this was to distract.
It's a PR tactic.
Let's distract, distract, distract.
And they've succeeded.
They've distracted from the actual leak.
And now it's become more about Julian and him having to hide in the embassy.
And And these, you know, accusations out of Sweden and it hasn't become about what we really should be looking into and that was the leak and how we can fix that in the future so that horrific situations of civilians getting shot by U.S. troops don't happen again.
But we're not focusing on that now because we're too busy focusing on where's Julian now and that's what they want and they've succeeded.
And the fact that they're putting so much attention, emphasis, and focus on this one guy, and that they're doing it because he had surprise sex with someone, really?
I mean, it's not even, they're not even calling it rape.
I mean, it's not, he's not a murderer, he's not an armed robber.
He's someone who had consensual sex with someone and then there's some weirdness that went on.
I don't know what it was.
But whatever it was, even if he was guilty of it, it doesn't seem like it's nearly enough to warrant this kind of attention.
I mean, this is fucking crazy.
If we had to go over every guy who did something creepy sexually and we had to send a fucking army after them...
I mean, that's never happening.
That's not going to happen.
It's bullshit.
But it's the most obvious bullshit.
It's like, it's so thinly veiled.
It's insulting in how ridiculous it is.
If you look at them, like Julian Assange standing on his little balcony, and he can't leave the embassy, and you go, what is he there for?
And then you find the actual thing they're going after him.
You're like, wait a minute, what?
That's crazy.
Like, this is what they're using?
Some weird sex thing that he did in Norway or Sweden or whatever the fuck, where was it?
And you know, they're also trying to send a message with that to journalists like myself and others, is look what's going to happen to you if you leak the leaks.
And that's what they're doing, too.
It's a systematic way to try to prevent people from leaking information about corruption, but those leaks are vital to the survival of whatever ounce of democracy we have left in this country.
We need leaks.
We need whistleblowers.
They're heroic.
They're fantastic.
If something is happening in your corporation that you know is violating the public good, you should leak that information, too, because if no one knows what's happening, we can't fix it.
A true patriot is supposed to be someone who protects against enemies, both domestic and foreign.
That's supposed to be the idea, is that it's not that we can't have foreign people that we love and that are allies, and it's not that we can't have domestic people who are truly our enemies.
I mean, and anybody who's trying to turn this country into what it's becoming, when you see these fucking soldiers walking down streets, when you read the language in the NDAA and you go, Who fucking signed this?
Like, how did this get through?
That's the enemy.
And whether or not that enemy, I don't know.
I don't know if it's on the political side.
I don't know if it's corruption.
I don't know if it's incompetence.
I mean, they say that no one ever reads any of those fucking bills anyway, that they're too long.
They say that if the Congress really read everything that they sign, it would be physically impossible.
If you talk to them about what's in things, there's a lot of them that can't read it.
And that's where journalists failed and journalism failed because we should have had a tremendous amount of reports on NDAA and really a lot of more people raising hell about it.
But it's been censored by the mainstream media.
And so Congress reacts to pressure.
If the public doesn't pressure Congress not to sign the NDAA, then they're going to sign it.
You look towards the future, and I have young children.
I have a two-year-old and a four-year-old, and I look at what their life is going to be 10 years from now, 20 years from now, and if things keep clamping down the way they are, it's...
It's a fucking horrific mess.
And it seems to be, if you look at the amount of money we're spending overseas, and if you look at the incredible military budget, I mean, it's just astounding how much money.
It's not a lack of resources that we have.
It's just how those resources are being allocated.
Those resources are being allocated in these really weird ways.
Is it because we just need, in order to keep our lifestyle, we need to control these natural resources, whether it's in Iran or whether it's in whatever it is that we need to do in other countries?
Is that really what's going on?
Is it to protect our lifestyle here?
I don't know.
I don't know what it is.
But I definitely know this is not the right way to do it.
There's got to be a better way for the whole system to be run, unquestionably.
And it seems like it's almost like they're conceding that it's out of control.
So in conceding that it's out of control, they're like, look, we've got to fucking take away their rights.
We've got to make sure that we can take their computers.
We want to be able to just fucking take all their money out of the bank.
We can do that whenever we want.
We can just say, you don't have any money anymore.
Now it's all ours.
We've got to be able to figure out how to stop some Arab Spring-type shit from happening here.
And this is how to stop it.
Stop it when we make essentially doing whatever we want legal.
So all shit that should be completely illegal...
Because they wrote some things down and some assholes signed it that didn't read it, then what's horrific now becomes law.
And I think people want you to think it's out of control, but this is very systematic.
That language in the NDAA is very systematic.
The crackdown on dissent in this country is very systematic.
And the crackdown on journalism, who could expose the dissent, is systematic.
And the fact that this stuff is not airing on all these mainstream outlets that are connected to all these corporations and governments It's systematic.
So they may make it appear to be more chaotic than it is, but it really is a systematic crackdown on dissent and people who are criticizing the government.
The average person who works eight hours a day, who has a mortgage, bills, car lease, things to think about, relationship troubles, do they even know what the fuck is going on?
It hurts when you see the caskets that they're not allowed to photograph.
It hurts when you hear people that have lost friends, loved ones, and you run into people that have no legs, that come back from Iraq, and you're like, for what?
For what?
What are they doing this for?
Really?
This is the only way to do it?
This is the best way to do it.
Where's that money going?
Billions and billions and billions of dollars a month.
I mean, it's somewhere around six to seven billion dollars per month it's costing us.
It's insane.
It's insane when you think about if that money could be turned On just helping the United States.
Just helping the poor communities of the United States.
Trying to figure out alternative fuel sources.
It's like there's a stranglehold on the way things are run now.
And the money that's being extracted with the way things work.
Run now has such incredible power over our lives.
It's really amazing how small groups, relatively small groups of people, if you stop and think about the actual amount of people that are involved in oil corporations, the amount of people that are involved in government, you compare it to the whole world, it's relatively small.
But that relatively small group of people has this insane effect on our day-to-day lives and the future of humanity, the future of literally the human race.
Because if we are The biggest superpower in the world.
And that's what we are.
I mean, there's never been anything like the United States.
Rome was never even fucking close to as crazy as we are.
We have military bases in over a hundred countries.
And there's a lot of people that don't know that.
And this is all falling apart right before our eyes.
And it's all crumbling right before.
And it's all going down like a crazy fucking movie.
Like some crazy apocalyptic movie.
It's going on right before our eyes.
And most people are just stuck in traffic.
They're just listening to some fucking Kanye West song.
Can't wait to get home to watch the latest Kim Kardashian show.
We need a better system, not just of government, but of life.
There's too many people in this world that are living these really horrible, unfulfilling lives.
And I don't think that's necessary.
I think there's too many people out there that are, in what feels to them, an unproductive, unsatisfying cog in a wheel.
And all of that leads to this feeling of detachment from the events of our world.
And we sort of allow the people that are in the positions of power to manipulate these great masses of people.
I mean, I've always said that the idea of a country is Really kind of ridiculous at a certain point.
If it's not ridiculous today, it's ridiculous 100 years from now.
The interconnectedness of human beings through technology is eventually going to make The ideas of physical boundaries and barriers where you can't go over there because this dirt is controlled by these people.
It's crazy.
It doesn't make any sense.
Eventually, we're going to have to accept the idea of a world community.
And when you think of the future and you think of what a world community would be like, one thing's for sure is you're not going to be able to control all those people.
People are going to have to be served by By the notions and the beliefs that they have.
By the ideas of community.
By the ideas of sharing.
The ideas of making and enhancing each other's lives.
The idea of having a real community of human beings on this one planet.
Instead of these ridiculous little teams that we're on.
Whether it's fucking, I hate Texas because I'm from Oklahoma.
Or, you know, the United States.
England can go fuck themselves.
You know, it's at a certain point in time, we're going to...
We're going to connect to each other to the point where we realize we are really just one giant community.
And if we're one giant community, we can't get led by these one people that have more ones and zeros that want to send giant metal killing machines to places we've never been because there's minerals there or because there's heroin there or because there's oil there or because there's whatever the fuck it is.
That's not going to work anymore.
It's going to get to a point in time where that's not going to work.
And I think that's what this big That's what I think clamoring for taking away rights is all about.
I think the writing on the wall is that the internet is changing the game.
It's changing humanity.
I don't think we even realize when history looks back and they look at 1993, 94, whenever AOL started, when they look at that to now, that is a crazy change in the way people look at the world.
Just by access.
Just access to each other.
Just the ability to communicate with each other and find out there's other people that think like you, find out there's other people that are scared and confused, and find out there's other countries that are taking over their country.
They're taking it back and they're fighting against corruption.
And then, you know, the United States sees that and goes, fuck this!
Start cutting cords!
We need to be able to cut the internet.
We need to be able to shut off people's cell phones, which is the latest Apple.
Thanks a lot, Apple, you fucking twats.
This ridiculous new thing that they've done where they've made a third-party option so that someone can turn off video cameras.
Well, because it's supposed to be a larger battery, if you have a smaller battery, if it's removed, you have to have a housing and a place where it attaches, and that space is all used up.
I've just heard a lot of people within the security community and train of thought That right now are speculating, why can't you take your battery out?
Well, if you can't take your battery out, then your GPS can never shut off.
I've had meetings with sources where I've had to literally throw my iPhone out the window because they said they wouldn't talk to me if I had an iPhone with me because there's no physical way to shut that phone off.
So if anyone was monitoring me, there would be no way if I had that phone in my presence to keep it off.
I've had to put post-its over my camera, on my phone and on my laptop.
Oh, absolutely.
When I see the software that they have, one of my friends who is very savvy with knowing software and hacking and stuff has shown me programs where they can install it on your laptop and someone can get in and they can control your camera so they can monitor you all the time.
They can literally, if you have a Wi-Fi connection, they can go and suck your information out of your laptop through the Wi-Fi and send it to another computer.
I mean, all this stuff has been going on for years, you know, but it never really hit me in my head.
And I said, gosh, how many times have you...
Had your laptop open when maybe you haven't been dressed or other things, you know, so now I put a sticky note over my laptop camera.
I had a friend who was hired by corporations to hack into computers and he said one guy, he hacked into his computer and he was recording the video off his computer camera and he has all these videos of the guy picking his nose and doing other things that men tend to do in front of their computers.
I'm not going to say what it is, but you can assume.
Well, it had to do with a legal dispute with a law firm, but something to know is that anyone can access your computer at any time, so to be super cautious...
How many people do you think that they've done that in lawsuits and stuff like that way and people just shut up about it because they have photos of them in front of the computer?
They're building a $2 billion domestic spying facility to literally gather your information and your communications.
And most people say, I always hear this over and over, well, I'm not doing nothing wrong.
You know, it doesn't matter if they're monitoring me.
It does matter because they're going to have a file on you for your entire life of communication.
So say one day you do something that upsets someone or say potential employers hack into this database.
Okay, so we want to find out what Joe's been up to over the years.
Well, we see, based on his phone GPS records, that he tends to visit the casino too much, so we don't want to hire him.
Or we also see he's not religious.
Or we see that he's been visiting an oncologist.
And he potentially has cancer, so we don't want to hire him for those health insurance reasons.
It is dangerous to allow the government to collect this kind of information on its citizens.
Any of that information can be used down the road to blackmail you, or keep you from whistleblowing, or as a journalist, keep me from leaking a story, or keep me from even having the story in general because they know what track I'm on.
You are living a very non-stereotypical 29-year-old girl's life.
This is really crazy.
You're like in a crazy movie.
I mean, you're going to foreign countries and exposing things and removing cell phone batteries and you're worried about being spied on, covering your lens of your laptop.
No, I don't, you know, because I haven't, I've been thinking about it, and I don't quite know, I don't know, I think for me it's almost too much to handle, the thought of having to leave.
But for especially investigative journalists after the NDAA passed, that's a reality for all of us.
Because we're going to piss people off in the government, so how are they going to come after us?
I think that, you know, you have Ahmadinejad who doesn't have traditional Western beliefs when it comes to homosexuality and also, you know, there is a beef they have with Israel.
That being said, what he's been doing is rhetoric.
He's been talking.
Okay?
We don't just go and attack every single leader because of their insane rhetoric, or we would be in every country, including Mexico, and we're not.
And so now you have to sit back, and now that you can pull yourself away, and first step to recognizing what's happening is to know that you're being fed propaganda.
And once you know that, then you can stand back and you can analyze it intelligently and realize, I mean, look at the movies we have coming out.
I mean maybe they thought that but regardless it's going to have an effect of people that leave that theater are going to have more of a fear of Iran instilled in them at a time where the news is constantly demonizing Iran at a time where we're about to potentially approve military action on the country.
Well, now that I mention it, it'll probably be stopped.
But I want to sit down with him, and I want to get to the bottom of a lot of these situations with the whole wiping Israel off the map and other situations, because I can't trust that we've been fed the correct story on that through the mainstream media.
I mean, the situation now is that even the other day, Ahmadinejad was speaking in front of the UN, and there's a video on the internet now of CNN cut him off.
And then the reporter started talking over him at a point when he was talking about the fact that all the countries could get together and get along peacefully.
He was talking about the potential for peace.
Instead, they went in and cut him off and then, oh, yeah, yeah, listen to him, and now he's trying to do this and really demonizing him.
And journalistically, you can't just do that.
And they didn't give him his fair share.
So maybe he's not quite as insane as we've been led to believe.
There are many forces, very powerful forces, that want you to hate him and think he's freaking nuts so that it justifies us going in and attacking him.
And when you start to realize that and look back at the info, you realize you may be not being fed the whole picture here.
Knowing what you know and being in the position that you are, being a person who is behind the scenes at a major news outlet like CNN, and you get to see sort of the strings that hold the puppets up.
Is there a way to fix this?
Is there a way to turn this ship around and sort of...
Right America?
Or is this a constant protest until we fall off the face of the earth and have a nuclear war?
Do we just scream and throw our hands up and pout and yell and scream until they launch the missiles that wipes us all out?
Or is it possible that with education, with the distribution of information that's available today, with people like us talking about it, with people That are young, like David Seaman, growing up and becoming political leaders.
Is it possible that we can write this thing?
That what we have is a group of people that are in control of this country that really came from another era.
They came from an era of no disclosure.
They came from an era where Watergate happened every now and then, but really it was because they wanted to catch them.
There's plenty of information that they have on everybody.
Let's just keep this thing going along the way it's always gone along.
Is it possible that we can end this era and move into an era of transparency, move into an era where people who are the leaders of this country are doing it for the right reasons?
They're doing it because they truly are patriotic, because they truly believe in the real ideals.
When we think of ourselves in the best light, those ideals, the ideals of being an American, they can actually bring us more in line, bring our actions more in line with that.
It's only possible if people have access to information in a way that can compete with the mainstream.
And that doesn't quite exist yet.
There are a lot of strong forces outside your show, Alex Jones, and other entities that are actually bringing out, talking about these things that the mainstream isn't talking about, NDAA, all these other issues affecting our civil liberties.
If those forces can't compete and get the message out just as loudly as the mainstream, then I don't know what direction this country's headed in.
But we need that information.
That information is power.
And it's definitely not getting to the masses quite yet.
But if we get to a point where we can compete with the mainstream and really get this information out, then people will be enlightened and they'll And they'll know when things are happening and can make a difference and actually look for solutions.
The real question is how long can they hold that off for?
Is it possible that they can fight that off with shit like NDAA, with all these passing, these sweeping bills about controlling the internet, the SOPA-type bills that they keep force-feeding and pushing through?
How long can they really stop that from happening?
Because it seems like this is a new era.
To me, it seems like...
When I talk to people today...
I mentioned this when I spoke with David Seaman.
When we had him on the show, I was like, I didn't know anything when I was your age.
I was like, he's 26 years old?
I was like, dude, when I was 26, I was retarded.
I didn't know anything about the way the world goes.
And here you are educating me on things.
You're completely immersed in the way this country is being run.
The corruption of lobbyists and corporations...
Corporate influence on the way we do everything from grow our food to extract oil.
Is this a new era?
Are we dealing with this new wave of people who are informed, who are growing into adulthood, that push these old douchebags out of office?
Is that what's going to happen?
Or are we going to blow ourselves up before we get there?
Are these old fuckheads hanging on by kitty cat claws on a curtain just barely hanging on they hit the red button and the whole thing gets wiped back to 10,000 years ago again.
Well, that's a good question because obviously it's not the presidency because otherwise NDAA wouldn't have been passed and we wouldn't have this ridiculous war on whistleblowers and journalists who want to improve the country.
I mean, if Obama signed NDAA with those kind of provisions to be able to detain American citizens without trial that violates the Fifth Amendment, it's no longer...
On behalf of the people.
I don't think they're making decisions on behalf of the people.
You have some people that speculate who's really in control.
Some people say the Federal Reserve.
That worries them significantly.
That's where we borrow most of our money.
No one really knows who's in charge of the Federal Reserve.
Some people say they're the ones pulling the strings.
You hear all these conspiracy theories.
But one thing's for sure is the people of the United States, I feel personally, based on my last 10 years of really getting behind the scenes and investigating all of these major disasters we've had in the country, The people are no longer in control.
Decisions are not being made on behalf of the people.
If decisions were being made on behalf of the people of the United States, we would not be about to be entering Iran.
We would be taking that money and giving it toward education and healthcare and improving the economy.
If decisions were being made on behalf of the people, we'd be going after the bankers that got us in this mess.
And what's staggering to me is that if you look at what we're doing overseas where we're spending all this money, a lot of the contracts that have gone to Halliburton for reconstruction, a lot of the different desalination plants they have over there, we could have easily had businesses profiting off of government contracts to fix our infrastructure, to fix our bad communities, to fix our impoverished places, to try to Heal up America.
I've always said that the best way, if you want to make America better, the best way to do it is to make less losers.
Right?
- That's a good way to put it, Joe. - You gotta go after, you have to try to help children.
You have to try to brace poor neighborhoods and try to prop them up and try to figure out a way to bring some sort of economic prosperity to that area.
Education, help people work, give them role models.
There's money to be made and there's satisfaction to be gained from the people that could help those people.
That's like a beautiful human experience of helping people out and propping them up.
And it can be profitable because there's going to have to spend money doing that.
So corporations are going to make money.
Tax dollars will go there.
It seems like it's just sort of a redistribution of the way we're spending our money from spending it on war to spending it on love.
And it seems like there's money in love too.
But we've been tricked into thinking there's only money in war.
And to think that all of our resources and everything that we have and everything that we project can only be profitable if we're killing people.
That seems crazy.
No, that's just the way we've always been doing it.
And in viewing the world as one giant community, which I think is inevitable, I'm pretty sure.
If you just look at the way things are going, the exponential growth, it's inevitable.
It's inevitable that we will be just one big world community.
Well, that's what we've got to do.
It's real simple.
If we want to live and enjoy life, which I assume everyone does, we want to enjoy this life.
The only way we can enjoy this life is if there's the smallest amount of people possible that are not enjoying it.
The smallest amount.
The smallest amount of people in despair that it's manageable.
The smallest amount of...
You're always going to have a certain amount of losers.
You're always going to have a certain amount...
As long as there's variables, as long as there's...
You could go left whenever you want or go right.
There's going to be mistakes.
There's going to be chaos.
We're human.
Humans are nuts.
But if we could drop that to a tiny minuscule number and the amount of oppressed people, make it as small as possible.
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The amount of people with no opportunity, make it as small as possible.
But we're not going to get that by supporting Bahrain.
We're not going to get that by guarding poppy fields in Afghanistan.
We're not going to get that by multi-billion dollar no-bid contracts for Halliburton.
That is not how we're going to get there.
What we are, that's the last gasps of a dying empire of douchebags.
When I look at this country, when I look at all these people that are speaking, when I look at people like you, I see real patriotism.
When I see people like Alex, you could call Alex Jones crazy all day.
I love that guy, and he's a fucking patriot.
He's a real patriot.
And what he wants is not to expose corruption and conspiracy everywhere he goes.
What he wants is for all to stop.
He wants people to run this country with a real sense of morals.
We should be run by true moralists.
We should be run by people who feel responsible for their actions, who feel that the repercussions of the decisions that they make should be as positive as possible.
And we should be a nation of heroes.
We should lead the world as a nation of heroes, instead of marauders.
We need to know that we can be run by the best possible examples of humanity.
We could encounter the best possible examples of humanity in every single country.
If people just rise.
If people just get their fucking shit together.
Unanimously, all across the board.
If we can figure out a way to truly enlighten.
And the way to do this is with mushrooms.
See what we're doing right now, ladies and gentlemen, we're fucking around.
And we're trying to do it on our own.
And it's too goddamn hard.
You only get so far with a yoga class every six months that you squeeze in after Starbucks.
You have a fucking heart attack when you're bending over in warrior pose.
I think we need mushrooms.
And we need them now.
We need them from outer space.
We need them to just drop down.
Just...
We need something.
We need an enlightenment.
We need the next stage of enlightenment.
We surely do.
And it seems inevitable and it seems like there's a battle going on.
And there's a lot of people that believe that you can't have the true push and momentum of enlightenment unless there's resistance against it.
It's that our entire nature is that we really don't achieve what we can achieve unless there's resistance.
And so we still have somehow in our alpha male primate DNA this desire to conquer and this desire to fight against oppression, this desire to rise against the enemy and compete against your You're a fellow man, and it's almost like a lot of people believe that the only way for people to truly achieve enlightenment is to see a holocaust, is to see an inquisition, is to see the horrific possibilities of humanity, so it gives us something to not be.
It gives us something to rise against.
I think that's the past, though.
I think really the future.
I think we're living in a weird world.
We're living in a world that has changed a lot more than we're aware of.
Who knows if we've already missed the warning signs, but that's why people need to take it so seriously when we have NDAAs passed and when we see police dressed like Judge Dredd.
Wake up!
Look what's happening on our streets of this country.
Think of 10 years ago if you saw those police officers dressed like Judge Dredd standing in front of a protest in front of Walmart, intimidating a bunch of older individuals who are unarmed.
It all could have been avoided if the police were different.
It all could have been avoided if that kid was not shot in front of everybody in broad daylight.
It all could have been avoided if the police reacted to it differently.
Everything could have been avoided.
Instead, it's fuck you, you do as we say, or we're going to bring in tanks and dogs and rubber bullets.
And that's not America.
You're being lazy.
You're doing it the wrong way.
You're trying to just control things and you're not doing it the way that an enlightened society and culture would handle it.
You're not.
And that means that's the enemy.
That type of behavior, marching down the streets and shooting bullets down the alley, that's the enemy.
That's the enemy at home.
And the people that are doing it, they think that they're doing well.
They think they're doing good.
They think they're doing their job.
And that's what's really fucked up about it.
By the fact that someone gives them the green light, they feel like they're in the right.
Like, well, these fucking protesters just stopped breaking the law.
I'll stop shooting rubber bullets at their face.
Just because somebody wrote something down on a piece of paper doesn't mean that shit's right.
I mean, there's a lot of shit that's written down on paper that doesn't make any sense.
And one of the things is that you're somehow allowed to bring tanks into a city and guys with machine guns because a kid got shot in the back.
That's not the way you're supposed to handle that situation.
That's not the way an enlightened being handles their society and their culture.
And that is where we are right now.
We are at a pass in human nature.
We are at a bridge.
We're at a divide where we have to change from the way we've lived for the past few thousand years.
We just lived like dominating creeps.
We have to...
Change into a compassionate society of people who view each other as a community.
You know, people who view everyone all around the world as a community.
And that's the only hope.
It's the only hope for humanity.
And it seems to me it's like almost a race.
There's a race between the assholes of the world that are trying to start conflict everywhere they can and try to extract resources and just fuck people over.
There's a race between them and enlightenment.
One of them is going to win.
One of them is going to win.
And either they get to the button first and they flip the whole board over and we have to start the game over again.
Or we calm everything the fuck down.
And we get out of this.
And we realize that you can't do all this corrupt bullshit anymore.
Everybody knows what you're doing now.
And now we have to have a government that actually looks out for people.
And we have to make decisions based on what's an intelligent way to look at our possibilities for the future.
And that's what leaders are supposed to do.
And that's what real patriotism is supposed to be about.
It's not supposed to be about locking people up because they expose when you fuck up.
The NDAA is the best example of that there is a battle going on.
Because just in the language that they use, saying that they can hold you indefinitely without recourse, that alone is like saying, nope, I have God mode.
It's like saying, let's bring someone into God Note.
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That's your fuck the NBAA. Yeah, I had to create the meme.
And that's the problem with law, is that, you know, just because someone put something into, once it's down, once it's written in the book, it can be interpreted a number of different ways, and used a number of different ways, as you're seeing in Bahrain, where they're killing people with sanctioned methods of crowd control.
Yeah, so did I. I think a lot of people felt that the country would change, and journalistically it's changed horrifically.
So that only tells you, I mean, like I said earlier, that the presidency is no longer in control by the individual.
You know, I feel like there are greater forces at play here, and our country is being led in a direction that's not in the direction the people want it to go.
Yeah, it could be World War III. And they have nukes, you know.
And I don't want to be sitting here fear-mongering, but I see the writings on the wall.
You just have to look at all the propaganda being fed and the fact that Bahrain was so systematically censored that story in all of the mainstream media, not just CNN. And so you look at that, put the pieces of the puzzle together, and to me it spells out war.
And the American people need to wake up and realize that we are close to action being taken.
Now, is it going to be taken with the approval of the people?
Are we going to be given a choice?
And it's pretty scary that I'm even having to ask this question now.
In this series of debates, it's all about the economy and it's all about business and it's all about taxes.
Meanwhile, we're about to go into World War III and we're like...
La, la, la, not listening.
We're like completely blocking out.
Like four years ago, it was huge.
The entire discussion was, what are we doing with these wars that we can't win?
When are we going to pull out?
How are we going to handle this?
McCain had one plan.
Obama had another.
Obama was going to get us out of there.
And it seemed like we had realized as a country that we were going to have to correct the mistakes of the previous administration.
But now there doesn't seem to be any of that talk.
they've just swept that under the rug it's almost like they're denying that a there's still a huge conflict going on in afghanistan we're still to this day people are suicide bombing left and right there's all sorts of uh troops that we train are attacking americans and using the guns that we give them on american soldiers i mean it's fucking chaos over there and there's not a peep about it Not a peep.
Not a peep.
Not a peep about the heroin.
Not a peep about the fact that Afghanistan controls more than 90% of the world's heroin.
And that heroin use has gone up, skyrocketed in the United States since our occupation in Afghanistan.
He grew up in an upper middle class family in the suburbs, and he got hooked on OxyContin after trying it at a party, then switched to heroin, and now he's in the slammer, unfortunately.
Well, Dr. Drew on fucking CNN tried to say that there was massive withdrawal effects that coincide with quitting marijuana, which is complete physiological nonsense.
It's just not true.
It's not like heroin.
It's not like you can die.
You know what has the worst withdrawal?
Alcohol.
People die because they don't drink.
You get so addicted to alcohol that if you go cold turkey, your body can go into shock and you can die.
It's not marijuana, stupid.
And he's on CNN talking about that, you know, talking about marijuana being something dangerous.
Only to pussies.
If marijuana fucks up your life, I've always said this, it's just because marijuana got there first.
It could have been cheeseburgers, scratch tickets.
It could have been anything.
You're an idiot.
You let something that makes people happy and makes people more sensitive, makes food taste better.
You've made that ruin your life.
You could ruin your life with anything if you so choose.
People are weird.
People get addicted to washing their hands.
People get addicted to sitting in front of shows and not leaving when the commercial's on.
People are nuts.
You can't say, because a certain amount of people can't handle marijuana, Marijuana would do a lot of people that are in control of this world some good.
Just to be paranoid and just think about their repercussions and think about the actions that they've done and what that's caused.
Well, it makes me think that this world's not real.
You know, I go over this so many times that my fans are getting angry at me sometimes.
Twitter me and tell me, stop talking about simulation theory!
Because it really starts, when you saw Mitt Romney the other day, and he was wearing blackface when he was talking to the Mexicans, I was like, holy shit, this can't be real.
That guy put fucking Snooki tan on his face, and he didn't even get it on his neck.
He didn't get it on the back of his neck.
So as his face is all like super brown and orangey, his neck is white!
It sounds ridiculous because people associate psychedelics with non-realistic things, with hallucinations.
They don't look at it the way I look at it.
I think that there are certain plants here...
That have aided in the evolution of human consciousness.
They have changed the way people look.
They've changed the way I look at people.
They've changed my relationship with human beings.
The way I look at human beings has fundamentally changed by having psychedelic experiences.
And changed for the better.
Made me a healthier, nicer person.
Made me more loving.
Made me more aware of the consequences of my own personal actions.
And I think that's one of the reasons why they're illegal.
And I think it's a shame that they've been derided to the point where it's a laughable topic.
If you say, well, yeah, Rogan also thinks that mushrooms can cure mankind.
Well, guess what?
They could.
If we all had really intense mushroom trips, first of all, people would come out of that with a complete reset.
You would be healthy, but you would have a complete reset of the way you view eternity, the way you view this situation that we're in.
We're so caught up in our own little culture.
And our own little situation that we have constructed and that we're fighting against and trying to control these various aspects that we don't even think.
We don't take the time to think about the incredible majesty of just life itself and how amazing it is and how incredible it is that you have friends and loved ones and how incredible it is that you can have sex and that you can drink wine and you can eat steak and you can go to a movie and you can drive a car.
We live in a fucking fantasy world.
I think that if people had some newfound appreciation, whether it's from near-death experiences, whether it's from psychedelics, whether it's from meditation, whatever it is, I think people operate their lives primarily on momentum.
They get up the same way they've always gotten up, they move in the same way they've moved to get there every day to work, and they go through the same job every day.
That momentum is very, very difficult to break.
And even if it's not a healthy momentum, whether it's beating off to your dick bleeds or gambling all your money away, we still get stuck in that momentum.
I need a drink!
You don't even know why you need a drink.
You're stuck in some wacky momentum.
You could call it being addicted to porn.
You could call it being addicted to the internet.
But we're stuck in a wacky momentum.
The only thing in my experience that changes that is a complete reconstruction of how you view the world.
And the only way to do that is to step away.
You have to have some sort of a disconnect, some sort of a...
An experience where you get an objective look at things for the first time.
You look at things as if you were someone completely unattached to every single aspect of your life and the lives of all the people around with you, but you get to see it mapped out in front of you clearly and cleanly with no ego, with no financial repercussions.
You get to really see what it is.
And that's not fucking possible for most people without some form of psychedelic experience.
There's a guy named Terence McKenna who is one of my psychedelic heroes and he's just a really brilliant, fascinating human being and he had this crazy theory called the Stoned Ape Theory and it was his belief that since psychedelic drugs unquestionably have existed since the beginning of human civilization there have been various sacraments various things that people have taken during rituals to the point where a guy named John Marco Allegro
was one of the scholars that decoded the Dead Sea Scrolls one of his translations he wrote two books about the translations One of them is called The Sacred Mushroom and the Cross.
What his basic life's work was explaining was that the entire Christian religion was a massive misunderstanding.
What it was really all about was psychedelic mushroom rituals and fertility cults.
This was how the original group of people wrote down all these rituals in the form of parables, in the form of stories.
You have to be some sort of a scholar in Aramaic and in ancient languages to even understand what the fuck he's saying to when you would disagree with it, but no question they had psychedelic mushrooms.
There's no question.
And there's no question that they thought that those psychedelic mushrooms were a direct connection to God.
And that's probably what represented God to them.
And that they didn't want other people to know about it.
And so they hid those things.
They hid those things in stories.
And those stories didn't represent necessarily Santa Claus or, you know, and various people that were Jesus.
One of the things that he translated was he believed that the word Jesus, or the word Christ rather, meant a mushroom covered in God's semen.
This is a Sumerian word, apparently.
They thought that when it rained, that it was God having intercourse with the earth.
And that these mushrooms would grow out of the ground overnight.
And they didn't have microscopes, so they couldn't see.
The spores that turned into mushrooms.
So they thought that this was like gifts from God.
Then they would take them and trip their fucking balls off.
So if you really stop and think about that, if you lived in a time where there was no science and virtually no understanding of the world that we live in and you found mushrooms and you ate them and just had this fucking mind-blowing, transcending experience, McKenna believed that was responsible for us evolving past lower hominids.
He believed that the doubling of the human brain size over a period of two million years, which is a huge mystery in the fossil record, they don't really understand why the human brain size doubled.
And it was his theory that they doubled because they started taking psychedelic mushrooms.
These monkeys came down off the trees.
They started eating mushrooms every day.
And in doing that, it changed the culture of these animals.
Brian, they might be fucked up to begin with, but you can't discount all the positive experiences and all the transcendent experiences that people have had because you haven't had them.
What he's saying, I think, in saying that you think about it for two days is that for two days you sort of reconsider yourself and then you eventually go back into the pattern of your everyday life, right?
Okay, but that is extremely subjective and it does to other people and it has to me.
So when you say that it doesn't, I say, okay, maybe to you, but for you to say that just because you haven't had a life-changing experience where they've pushed you into a different direction of understanding doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
When I'm telling you that it exists for me, and there's two of us, so it's 50% of the people in this room.
Yeah, but I think what I was getting at is that I don't think if you had everyone do, because you say this all the time about if everyone just did mushrooms, everything would fix itself.
I don't think for most people mushrooms has that big of an effect after a couple days.
I think that's because of momentum and because of the fact that it's so easy to go back and to think about your life the way you used to think about it before you had that experience.
Your ego will guide you right back to the patterns that you're comfortable in anywhere, you know, unless you've chosen.
Look, what makes a person decide, you know, I'm tired of being a fat fuck.
I'm going to start eating healthy and I'm going to drink water all day and I'm going to lose this fucking weight.
For some people, it's bullshit.
They try it and then two days later they go back to eating again.
I mean, Brian, you've been on several diets where you've lost a tremendous amount of weight and then you go back to your normal patterns of eating, right?
I've been on one diet, but yeah.
Okay, I thought it was more than once.
He lost an amazing amount of weight, like 80-something pounds.
I think it was later in his life, but not too late.
But that's just a well-known phrase within scuba diving that he would always say that, especially when he was able to go down in places like Hawaii where you have turtles.
And that's like tripping when you see a turtle swimming right next to you and you're swimming and you're at the same pace and it's this huge sea turtle.
I'd say he was really the guy who brought it to the mainstream.
And so we were there live on TV scuba diving, and all of a sudden there were sharks swimming behind us.
on air and a lot of viewers thought we were going to get eaten and so I was really paying attention to we were wearing hazmat suits and I was paying attention to not drowning because my suit had flooded and we were in oily water and so I barely noticed the sharks but I went back and watched the video and there are a lot of them that just keep swimming right past us and I later find out that our my asshole South African photographer was throwing lunch meat off the boat That was attracting all these sharks to come toward us.
Yeah, he was throwing, we had Walmart sandwiches, and he was throwing the salami and the bologna that he didn't like off the boat, and it attracted one shark, and he thought it was funny to bring all these other sharks on board.
Made it popular, but it seems like the first inventions of it were in the 1700s.
1771, a British engineer named John Smeaton invented the air pump, and a hose was connected between the air pump and a diving barrel, allowing air to be pumped to the diver.
Well, I'm not a claustrophobic person, so it doesn't affect me in that way.
But I could see how some people would affect them because you have all this gear on and you're relying on this claustrophobic thing over your mouth to be able to breathe.
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Yeah, it seems like if something goes bad, it goes bad fast.
Yeah, I always, when I come out with things full force, it's only when I 100% know the truth.
Because no matter what, if you follow the truth, I always say it doesn't have a shelf life.
Whatever, the corruption is going to get exposed.
And I think that, you know, I really do believe my lack of sense of fear also.
It enabled me to do that because I don't have that thing over my shoulder telling me, okay, well, what if someone comes after you for going after Time Warner?
Or what if you don't have a job or money?
I've lived out of my car.
I don't have those fears.
So that enabled me to come forward and talk about this and bring this into the public light without having fear.
Do you have like a 10 year map out where you sort of projected what you're going to be doing or are you just sort of living in the moment and trying to react to the world changing around you?
Do you think that your bold choices will inspire other people that are in your same position, that were in your same position, like in places like CNN and Fox News, to do the same and to expose things?
It's hard to do because no matter what, you're going to face criticism.
And then when you look at it journalistically, how much power these networks have and how few companies own everything, people don't want to tick them off and people don't want to lose their health insurance and they don't want to lose their severance and they don't want to lose money.
And it's easier just to go along every day and pretend nothing's happening and continue to just...
Have that imagination that you're just a cog in the machine and you're not really the problem.
Well, every single person that's enabling this to happen is the problem.
And that's what I said.
I feel like these journalists are going to go down on the wrong side of history and they're just as guilty as the corporations they work for because they know this is going on and they're not saying anything.
Not only are they not saying anything, they're continuing to go into work every day and feed lies to the American public.
Well, when that witch hunt becomes a guy like Julian Assange, when the word terrorism turns to a guy like Julian Assange, it really makes you go, what is your definition?
Well, that's another thing that's been widely misreported in the news is this attack on the U.S. embassy in Libya that they attributed to this fucking shitty movie that this guy made.
And apparently that's not true at all.
That attack, rather, had been planned for a long time before that and purposely took place on the anniversary of September 11th.
And that for some reason or another they decided to blame it on people reacting to this movie.
So sort of give people an irrational idea of how Muslims would respond to any sort of mocking of their faith.
And to get us even more angry at the idea of Muslims and more excited about the idea of stopping this Muslim threat, this Islamic threat that the world sees.
Down in Texas, they're building a tar sands pipeline through some communities, through some wineries, some farms, and the community is very upset, and they've really done what's called direct action protesting, which you can assume what that means as direct action.
I mean, they're getting in there and preventing this construction from taking place.
They're also building houses, tree, they're taking over trees and forests and building tree houses and having professional climbers come in to keep the...
I know, you don't know.
It's fascinating.
How many people are involved in this?
I would say there are thousands.
I mean, it's going on all across the state.
And so I'm covering not only that, I'm covering women's right to go topless events.
Like, we always see, oh, Occupy is so stupid, and they're not getting any change done, and they're not winning.
Actually, they are winning, and there's a lot of cases where they have won, and that's what this book's covering, and that's what also is going to piss a lot of people off.
Or what they do is they say they're investigating it, and maybe they drag on that investigation for months before they take your name off that list.
I haven't been put on that list yet.
Yeah.
Wow, that's incredible.
It's just Big Brother trying to intimidate dissent, and not only that, intimidate politicians who would be against their behavior, as well as journalists.
I don't think they've messed with me, because I know I would raise so much hell about it.
Yeah, I mean, could you imagine going to the airport, you're going to visit grandma, or maybe it's an emergency, a funeral or something, and you're told you can't fly?
For what?
Because you're a journalist and you actually are exposing corruption in the government, which is our job?
Or you're Joe Rogan and you got the Joe Rogan experience and you spoke out against the TSA. Have you ever been on a list?
I guess you're going to have to have a video of me beating off because it's ridiculous.
It's not that big a deal.
If you really want to have that video and put it out there, first of all, everyone's going to know that you can do that and it's going to be massive outrage that you turn on someone for whatever reason.
You've been videotaping them beating off the whole time?
You know, I was thinking of your show and I was thinking on my way here of how I think that your show will go down in history as a show that told the truth and actually...
It was a strange rise out of the mix into something that is really becoming one of the leading voices of truth when it comes to podcasts and other content.
And you guys are really starting to fill that vacuum that has been created by the mainstream media.
Well, it's just weird to me that there's not something like this in the mainstream media.
It's like I look at things that are fascinating to me and the world is filled with them.
And some of them involve corruption.
The other ones involve Bigfoot and crop circles and UFOs and aliens.
I'm interested in a lot of different things.
But you don't see a lot of discussion on...
These things.
Whether it's odd, crazy things like Bigfoot or UFOs, you don't see much real legitimate discussion about psychedelics.
You don't see much real legitimate discussion about the possible repercussions of the way society is progressing.
What is the solution to really change the whole thing?
You don't see much legitimate discussion about that.
And I've always found that weird.
I don't know why that exists when that's always what I would get together with my friends and talk about.
When me and my friends would be alone at a restaurant somewhere and someone would talk about something or Eddie Bravo would bring up some video he saw or Brian would talk about something that was on the internet and we would all sit around and talk about it.
I never understood why there was no show That had these points of view.
There was no show that was like, what is going on here?
Where everybody seems to be pretending that everything's fine.
Everybody seems to be pretending that everything is going along a manageable course and we're going to be fine.
And I don't see that.
I see madness.
I see chaos.
I see people that have way more power than they have knowledge and enlightenment.
of this weird sort of situation where I don't understand exactly who's running the show.
And I don't think anybody does.
And then there's this dog and pony presidential debate and eventual election, which if anything changes at all, it'll be social issues.
That's all that ever really changes.
Gay marriage is the beach ball that gets tossed back and forth and maybe medical marijuana is going to be the next one.
But Obama's already lied about that.
They lied about whether or not they were going to use the DEA to go after medical marijuana dispensary.
He's been doing that like crazy lately.
It's a weird thing when you realize that it doesn't matter who wins.
Me, just historically speaking, I don't vote because I don't want a dog in the race.
And I know I get criticized for this all the time.
But I know if I do go in and take the time to vote for someone, I'm going to be secretly rooting for them.
And that's the problem we're having now, I think, with people not criticizing Obama enough, journalists, because journalists tend to be more liberal, and they're scared to criticize him for NDAA, and that's why we're not seeing these vital issues covered.
So I feel like, as journalists, I feel like we shouldn't vote.
We should not have a dog in the race.
We should be able to stand back, regardless of party, and just look for the truth and really criticize Go after everyone.