Sept. 7, 2012 - The Joe Rogan Experience
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| Woof? | ||
| You're woofing now? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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| I know. | ||
| What the fuck? | ||
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| You know you are. | ||
| We got Freeway motherfucking Ricky Ross on the podcast. | ||
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| Alright? | ||
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The Joe Rogan Experience. | |
| It's my night, all day! | ||
| You know, rarely in life does it become more evident to me that we are on the wrong fucking track as a culture than when I pick up Rolling Stone. | ||
| And Rolling Stone used to have Hunter S. Thompson writing stories about taking acid in Vegas and they were spectacular. | ||
| I mean, today they still have Matt Taibbi who breaks down all the reality behind the financial crisis. | ||
| But Rolling Stone has a guy on it. | ||
| Who's really fat, and he's covered in tattoos, and he's got your name. | ||
| This is the craziest shit I have ever seen in my life as a human. | ||
| Because at this point, it's like, we're weird, man. | ||
| We are a weird fucking species. | ||
| There's nothing weirder than, like, as if, if he hadn't called himself Rick Ross, this shit would have never happened for him. | ||
| As if. | ||
| I mean, what kind of faith does that have in your talent? | ||
| He could change his name right now. | ||
| He could change his name right now to something else and be just as huge. | ||
| I mean, how many times has Puff Daddy changed his name? | ||
| P. Diddy? | ||
| Now he's just Diddy? | ||
| You know, think about that. | ||
| Well, you know, but his whole image is based on the name. | ||
| You know, he's built his whole career around this name. | ||
| He's afraid to change it. | ||
| That's a thing that some dudes do. | ||
| They'll call themselves Capone. | ||
| They'll call themselves something fucked up that's like, I'm Tony Montana, motherfucker. | ||
| They'll call themselves somebody who actually was a bad motherfucker. | ||
| So what people don't know, people that aren't from my generation, what they don't know is that during this whole Iran-Contra thing that was going on, when it became revealed that Oliver North, that they were selling illegal guns and there was some drug dealing in the CIA in the hood that was admitted and not admitted. | ||
| It was crazy times. | ||
| But my point is, You became a prominent figure on the news. | ||
| It was a big, high-profile case, and before you went to jail, it was very evident who you were. | ||
| I mean, it was a big case. | ||
| Yeah, it was. | ||
| The LA Times once put me on as the Walmart of crack cocaine. | ||
| I think that's what he said. | ||
| Hey, Joe. | ||
| Oh, sorry. | ||
| This is Freeway's friend. | ||
| What is your name again, brother? | ||
| I'm Rick's attorney. | ||
| His attorney. | ||
| Yeah, Antonio. | ||
| Antonio, thanks. | ||
| You know I got to ride with an attorney now. | ||
| I hear you, bro. | ||
| That's smart. | ||
| And put me over. | ||
| Hey, you... | ||
| You got the perfect attorney, though. | ||
| He's young and cool. | ||
| You know, you lucked out. | ||
| Joe, we gotta remember what year it was. | ||
| It was 1996. And the thing is, the guy says that he came up with the name in 96. So in 96, Rick's name is everywhere. | ||
| I'm talking about globally, everywhere. | ||
| C-SPAN, congressional hearings, and then the guy says, I imagine it up in 96. That's what he said. | ||
| He has some cockamamie name. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Oh, you didn't know there was Rick Ross? | ||
| That's like calling yourself, you know, I'm going to be Mitt Romney. | ||
| And he's a philosopher of gang and drug culture. | ||
| You know, he says that he knows all the drug dealers and all the gangbangers and the whole, you know, the whole nature of the business. | ||
| Yeah, that's another sticky point, huh? | ||
| But he didn't know. | ||
| But he didn't know about you. | ||
| He didn't know about me. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| Wikipedia did, though. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Noriega, Pablo Escobar. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| There was no Wikipedia in 96, unfortunately, though, right? | ||
| When did he start becoming famous for it? | ||
| The name. | ||
| 07? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| See, that's when we started to slide. | ||
| We started falling apart. | ||
| Last year of the Bush administration, motherfuckers were losing hope. | ||
| They're like, this doesn't even make sense. | ||
| He's like, fuck it, this can't last. | ||
| I'm just going to call myself Rick Ross. | ||
| And boom! | ||
| Cover of Rolling Stone, kid. | ||
| That's weird. | ||
| It's Rolling Stone. | ||
| I can't even get a story in there. | ||
| Why can't they? | ||
| They won't write a story about you? | ||
| They never wrote about me. | ||
| I used to write Rolling Stone when I was in prison and try to get them to do a story about the drug war and what was going on and the whole thing. | ||
| But it's so crazy, you know? | ||
| It's like... | ||
| They don't like me, but he can go on with my name, with my story, and rap on Monday Night Football about selling drugs. | ||
| Did he rap on Monday Night Football? | ||
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Yeah, he opened for it. | |
| Really? | ||
| What did he do? | ||
| He did Triumphant with Mariah Carey. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| And does he talk about selling drugs in that song? | ||
| I mean, that's all he talks about. | ||
| I didn't hear him do the song, but I mean, everything he raps about is drugs. | ||
| Really? | ||
| That's it. | ||
| What people don't know is he used to be a corrections officer. | ||
| The story gets crazier and crazier. | ||
| He's like a character in a Will Ferrell movie. | ||
| He's like some nutty dude that gets exposed that has been putting on this... | ||
| It's not like he's putting on a hustle in 1980 when you had to go to the library to find out about people. | ||
| You're trying to put a hustle on and this is a different time, man. | ||
| You can't do that anymore. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, you know, our people are so, I don't know, man, so lost that it doesn't matter anymore. | ||
| You know, you can come up and tell them anything and they go for it. | ||
| And then once they discover that they've been lied to, they still, you know, kind of like just mosey right on along. | ||
| No, Rick, tell them how you said he came up with the, how you decided to be a correctional officer in Rolling Stone. | ||
| They called him Big Boss. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| I heard that one. | ||
| In the article itself that you have in front of me, he says that he was eating peanut butter and jelly sandwiches with his friend. | ||
| His friend got caught for selling dope and the friend's father just tells him to... | ||
| His friend goes away for a long time. | ||
| His friend goes away for a long time. | ||
| And the father walks up to him and says, you need to get a job. | ||
| Become a correctional officer. | ||
| Yeah, did you just explain this to me? | ||
| Like really recently you told me this? | ||
| No, it was in the Rolling Stone. | ||
| Right, but didn't you explain it to me recently too? | ||
| When was the last time I talked to you? | ||
| Before this came out. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Ridiculous. | ||
| Yeah, I mean... | ||
| Because I kind of remember that statement. | ||
| I mean, you think about it and then you think about it from a level of your son just got arrested for cocaine sales. | ||
| The first thing you're going to say to his friend is, go be his prison guard. | ||
| Jesus Christ. | ||
| How crazy is that? | ||
| Keep him in jail. | ||
| You know, they've done those studies. | ||
| They did a study, I think it was at Stanford, where they did a prison guard study where they had students pretend to be prisoners and prison guards. | ||
| Almost immediately, the prison guards became abusive. | ||
| Fake. | ||
| Study. | ||
| Kids. | ||
| Just kids. | ||
| I worked as a security guard at Great Woods. | ||
| It was like a performance arts place in Mansfield, Massachusetts. | ||
| It was like outside of Boston. | ||
| It was like all the big concerts would come there, like Bon Jovi and shit. | ||
| And I was a security guard there. | ||
| And I'm not a big dude. | ||
| And so I was like, someone's going to fuck me up. | ||
| This is ridiculous. | ||
| Being in a position of security, well, I mean, I'm just a security guard at a concert place. | ||
| But I swear to God, within a couple of months of working there, you develop this us versus them mentality. | ||
| You deal with enough drunken people, enough craziness that dudes were hitting dudes. | ||
| Guys I never thought would hit somebody were hitting people. | ||
| What's that authority? | ||
| When you get that authority over somebody and you feel that you have the whole system behind you and that you're right and you can't do wrong. | ||
| Matter of fact, a guy that was in custody while he was a guard had called me one day and told me that this guy was one of the worst guards that you could be, you know? | ||
| If you had an extra soup, he would take it from you. | ||
| An extra stamp. | ||
| Oh, you one stamp over. | ||
| Oh no. | ||
| And he'd go running to the general. | ||
| Oh, he had an extra stamp. | ||
| I'm like, what? | ||
| I want to get a bunch of guys, you know, whenever I get a chance, I want to get a bunch of guys that was in jail with them and just get their stories and see. | ||
| And then the irony of it all is that you sit there and you're watching like the BET Awards and he's hollering out, for all my guys locked up in prison. | ||
| Oh my God, all the people that I used to tell to shut the fuck up. | ||
| And then the guys in prison are crying, man, you gotta stop that guy, man. | ||
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That's crazy. | |
| Why are you guys letting him do that? | ||
| Matter of fact, I was with... | ||
| Somebody a couple days ago, and they were saying that this guy that he's been rapping about in his songs that's in prison is like, man, the guy messed my appeal up. | ||
| You know, I was on appeal and he got on a record and told him everything that I did. | ||
| Oh, no way. | ||
| Oh, my God. | ||
| He told his story through rapping? | ||
| What an asshole. | ||
| Yeah, and also... | ||
| It's like, dude, even Rick Ross knows what he did. | ||
| He fucked up his appeal? | ||
| That's ridiculous. | ||
| Man, they say he did a documentary on the guys in Miami that were supposed to have been drug dealers, and some of those guys are like, man, he should have never did that. | ||
| He never got our permission. | ||
| He never asked us. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| And... | ||
| And now those guys are exposed? | ||
| Exposed. | ||
| Did you hear that Griselda Blanco got assassinated the other day? | ||
| Yeah, I heard that. | ||
| You know who she is, huh? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Of course, it's business. | ||
| It's business. | ||
| You know who all the key players are? | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Griselda Blanco was the old lady in Cocaine Cowboys. | ||
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Oh, yeah, that's right. | |
| Oh, you weren't with me in Florida. | ||
| Billy Corbin, the guy who's the director of it, came to one of the shows. | ||
| He was a fucking cool guy. | ||
| The amazing thing is that she stayed alive so long after going to war with Carlos Escobar. | ||
| She killed everybody. | ||
| That chick is responsible for the deaths of who knows how many people, but they eventually got her somewhere. | ||
| That's what happens, though, when you start that black market on drugs or with anything. | ||
| You give that power and the ability to make so much money that it just corrupts people from all walks of life. | ||
| I don't think nobody's immune to it. | ||
| And doesn't that work the same way with fame like this? | ||
| I mean, it's very similar. | ||
| Like, what's happening to him? | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| I mean, that's very corrupting as well, right? | ||
| It'll make you bullshit your way through a story in order to keep your money coming in. | ||
| I had to do a lot of research for this case, and I actually read an interesting article by his sister. | ||
| It was an interview of his sister, and she said he's lost in this image. | ||
| Lost in image. | ||
| He believes he's Rick Ross. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Yeah, he does. | ||
| I mean, even when we... | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| We took his deposition down in Miami. | ||
| It was the first time that me and him was face-to-face in a room together. | ||
| I mean, he rolled his eyes. | ||
| He gave me a finger. | ||
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What? | |
| He gave you the finger? | ||
| How long ago was this? | ||
| It was about four or five months ago, at least. | ||
| That is ridiculous. | ||
| So it's after you did this podcast. | ||
| Yeah, it was after we did the podcast last night. | ||
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Oh, that's hilarious. | |
| He gave you the finger. | ||
| What is he, 12? | ||
| Who the fuck gives someone the finger? | ||
| Have you ever done that? | ||
| Like, fuck you, man. | ||
| The only time you do this is when you're in your car and you gotta go. | ||
| Yeah, and then what's funny is you go after Krishan, who's like a little 5'4 white woman. | ||
| Who did he go after? | ||
| Krishan, the MTV... I don't know what that is. | ||
| Oh, she's like MTV V-host. | ||
| What happened? | ||
| She said something about Rick Ross, and then he was claiming that he was going to be violent against her. | ||
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Really? | |
| But when the kingpin's in the room, it's kind of like... | ||
| Wow, he gave you the finger though, huh? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| That alone's a victory. | ||
| When a grown man looks at you and you don't say shit to him and he has to give you the finger. | ||
| Like, come on, you silly bitch. | ||
| Yeah, but he's such a... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| You know, his album flopped this time. | ||
| Did it? | ||
| But he's on the cover of Rolling Stone. | ||
| But I don't think you can... | ||
| You can have a flopped album and still go on the cover of Rolling Stones if... | ||
| I'm going to call my agent. | ||
| If you buy it. | ||
| If you buy the cover. | ||
| I think all this stuff... | ||
| Oh, you buy it? | ||
| I think you buy it now. | ||
| It's not about being good or... | ||
| You know, being successful. | ||
| You know, it's about, can you pay for it now? | ||
| It's amazing that today, in 2012, this image that he's projecting of his underwear and then his pants, like, halfway buckled, halfway down his underwear, with his big fat belly hanging out. | ||
| Like, what are we doing in 2012? | ||
| We're fucking crazy. | ||
| Yeah, it's funny Rick talked about Rolling Stone because Spin Magazine did an article on Freeway Rick that was on the cover all week this week. | ||
| Spin did this? | ||
| Yeah, he was on the cover. | ||
| Spin's a great magazine. | ||
| There's some great exposés in there. | ||
| And they did a piece on the rapper called Master of His Own Reality. | ||
| And they talked about how he's taking the criminal black man image and just perpetuating it, just using it to sell an image of himself that isn't true because he came from a good home. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So he's basically like a character. | ||
| He's doing like an Andrew Dice Clay character. | ||
| I don't know if he's doing a pure character. | ||
| I think he's doing a copy of Rick. | ||
| And I think that he's doing a copy based on... | ||
| Well, he's way fatter than you. | ||
| He's not trying to look like you at all. | ||
| But what does it mean? | ||
| You're not covered with tattoos. | ||
| He's covered with tattoos. | ||
| We say I look like I'm on crack, so... | ||
| You look like a healthy man. | ||
| You look like a guy who's probably going to live to be 100 years old. | ||
| It's people that are really big and fat that are fucked, man. | ||
| Your heart is pushing extra hard for that shit, son. | ||
| How much cardio are you doing? | ||
| Yeah, well, you know, when you got those people behind you, you know, with that money, they put some money in your pocket, and you feel like you're going to live forever. | ||
| You know, if money will keep me alive, then I'm good. | ||
| Well, that certainly would happen to a lot of these guys. | ||
| But it's also, I think, he's going to stuck with what got him to the dance, and that's just bullshitting. | ||
| He's just going to bullshit until he slides into a wall. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| He's just going to keep going. | ||
| While he's in motion, he's just going to keep bullshitting. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, why would he tell the truth? | ||
| He's not going to say, listen, here's the deal, man. | ||
| Well, you know, I wonder how come when the guy goes on radio stations and the host, you know, they never, you know, because I heard him on a couple of radio stations, and they never ask him, man, Why did you take this guy's name? | ||
| He's a big guy. | ||
| He kind of mad dogs people. | ||
| I've seen him mad dogs and people that have tried to ask him some things about you and he gets real loud about it. | ||
| It's uncomfortable to be around a dude that big who's pissed off. | ||
| The only thing I will say to you, Joe, is that I think we've been doing a viral campaign of truth. | ||
| And if you read the Rolling Stone article, he spends a lot of time talking about things that are uncomfortable for him. | ||
| Correctional officer, playing football, things that he's never talked about. | ||
| I totally didn't even plan on reading this shit. | ||
| I just got it, and I said I have to bring it in because I knew that Rick was coming in. | ||
| Well, he talks about playing football, and we believe it's because we brought up the fact that when we called the school, they didn't have a record of him playing football. | ||
| And look at this here. | ||
| So he never played football either? | ||
| Check this out. | ||
| Check this out. | ||
| Go ahead. | ||
| I mean, we reached out to the athletic director, and they said that they don't have him on the roster. | ||
| For the whole 90s, they don't have a William Roberts. | ||
| Nothing. | ||
| I mean, I would love to see the roster in that picture. | ||
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Wow. | |
| I'll tell you a lot about that, too. | ||
| Why would that be surprising, right? | ||
| Check this here out. | ||
| Have you ever heard of an All-American football player without one pitcher with a uniform on? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I wouldn't be able to tell you. | ||
| How possible is that? | ||
| I think it's impossible to be an all-American football player. | ||
| It seems like they take a lot of pictures of those guys. | ||
| But not have one picture anywhere in the world. | ||
| But how old is he supposed to be? | ||
| Is he supposed to be like 40? | ||
| How old is he? | ||
| 35? | ||
| He graduated in 96. So he's about 37? | ||
| Is that what that is? | ||
| 36? | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| He seems like he's fucking crazy, is what he seems like. | ||
| He seems like he's just some dude who figured out a good hustle, and he's just riding it. | ||
| Yeah, he is. | ||
| But he's definitely crazy. | ||
| I mean, you know, they just spent $1.3 million fighting me in court to keep my name. | ||
| Really? | ||
| That's what they said they paid attorneys. | ||
| Now, what did you do to defend yourself? | ||
| Did you defend yourself on your own? | ||
| Because you know a lot about law. | ||
| Yeah, but I had good attorneys with me. | ||
| You brought him as well. | ||
| We have a firm, Yawson and Nessie, that's been helping us, and then myself, a lot of research. | ||
| You know, really this thing is going to come down to whether or not he starts to understand that we're not going away. | ||
| So they essentially try to spend so much money that they sort of drowned you in bullshit. | ||
| Oh, they did. | ||
| They worked the hell out of my attorneys. | ||
| I'm talking about a couple, what, like three months straight we was in depositions every day. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Again, what a crazy world we live in. | ||
| How could that even take three months? | ||
| They got nine attorneys. | ||
| But that's amazing, isn't it? | ||
| If you really stop and think about the absurdity of that, that they would spend months on that. | ||
| They would spend months on, this is his name. | ||
| No, that's his name. | ||
| Okay, that's it. | ||
| We're done here. | ||
| It seems like that would take three seconds. | ||
| It just shows you how mad we are. | ||
| We're like a mad culture. | ||
| You know, you would think that with this guy that once they sent him a bill for $200,000, he would say, well, what's going on here? | ||
| But then, no. | ||
| They sent him a bill for $500,000, and he still doesn't say what's going on here. | ||
| Then they sent him a bill for $600,000. | ||
| He still doesn't. | ||
| We're up to $1.3 million, and this guy hasn't said, hey, you know what? | ||
| Let's sit down and talk about selling this case. | ||
| It seems like he could have just given you that money and then changed his name. | ||
| Yeah, we got a foundation, Freeway Literacy Foundation. | ||
| Have him be part of that. | ||
| How much would he? | ||
| Would you take that and then just drop everything? | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| I like to laugh. | ||
| Alright, how much would it cost to let him use your name? | ||
| We don't have a license fee yet. | ||
| There's no license fee. | ||
| Okay, so essentially, let's say the dude loses in court, but he wants to continue to call himself Rick Ross. | ||
| And plus, I guess he has to compensate you for the use of it. | ||
| If he loses in court, he can forget it. | ||
| Really? | ||
| If he wins in court, then... | ||
| Like, where are you at right now? | ||
| How many times have you guys been before a judge? | ||
| Wait, say that one more time. | ||
| How many times have you guys been before a judge? | ||
| How many times have there, or should I say, have there been rulings? | ||
| There's been really like two rulings. | ||
| Two rulings. | ||
| Three rulings. | ||
| Three rulings. | ||
| What'd they say? | ||
| And what essentially happened was Rick first decided to go for, Freeway Rick decided to go to federal court, and when he went to federal court, it's not the best place because California has so much better protections for, I guess you could say, personality rights, name rights. | ||
| So, you know, federal court said, go take it to California. | ||
| There's a better place to hear it there. | ||
| Came to California and first we sued Universal because Universal is the home of Def Jam. | ||
| The judge said Rick was late in filing against Universal. | ||
| But Warner Brothers did a new deal with the rapper William Roberts Rosé last year. | ||
| And as a result, we're not... | ||
| Now that's him as well? | ||
| Rosé is him? | ||
| Rosé is the same person. | ||
| Why does he have a bunch of different names? | ||
| After we filed a suit, he changed it from Rick Ross to Rick Rosé. | ||
| No, he didn't change it. | ||
| But still, the thing is, so much value has been put in. | ||
| Let me start off by saying, there's a video of Lior Cohen, the president of Warner, talking about a fast-forward model. | ||
| His name is Lior? | ||
| Lior, L-Y-O-R. He talks about something called a fast forward model. | ||
| They don't want to develop artists anymore. | ||
| So essentially, they try to fast forward them. | ||
| And what essentially happened, we believe, is that the labels looked at the fact that this Rick Ross was untapped and they realized, we can just put an artist out and there's already value. | ||
| A name, yeah. | ||
| And so he said that the name came out from him in 96, but it really was like 2007 when he started working? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's a crazy case, man. | ||
| I don't know what it would be like walking around where there's another man who has my name. | ||
| Oh man, it's awful. | ||
| People call you to book you and they don't know if you're him or you. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| It's confusion. | ||
| It's fucking weird. | ||
| But at the same time, I just want him to stop. | ||
| You know what I'm saying? | ||
| I'm like, why you got to take my name? | ||
| I built this name and he had had some crazy, he was with Funkmaster Flex and they said some crazy stuff like I should be happy that he kept me alive. | ||
| And even with that, if the guy would come out and admit that he took the name, it would be a little more comforting. | ||
| But when you sit here and lie to me, it just makes it where I'm like, you know, man, this guy here is totally full of... | ||
| So are you in appeal right now? | ||
| Where do you stand? | ||
| We're actually in process of deposing possibly Lear Cohen and Sean Combs. | ||
| We're moving forward with trial against Warner Brothers. | ||
| The judge ruled in our favor as far as Warner Brothers cannot take a statute of limitations out to get out of the case. | ||
| And so we're moving forward against Warner Brothers to trial. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Whoa, that's crazy. | ||
| Now, what I will say is that there's two fundamental differences with what Rick Ross has done with Freeway Rick versus 50 Cents or Jay-Z with Jazzo. | ||
| And the first being that this is his birth name. | ||
| When you take somebody's birth name, especially somebody like Rick, you essentially can create confusion when you walk in the room because it's not a nickname. | ||
| They're not going to clear it up. | ||
| They're going to be like, how many people walk in the room and say, I'm Stanley Roberts? | ||
| And that's just not their name. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Let's explain what you meant by that, though, because a lot of people don't know what you meant by Jay-Z and Jazzo. | ||
| Jazzo was a famous neighborhood rapper where Jay-Z lived, and then Jay-Z became Jay-Z, and he kind of copied that dude's name. | ||
| Yeah, 50 Cent is there was a bank robber. | ||
| But these are neighborhood names. | ||
| Rick's name was in Time Magazine. | ||
| Rick Ross was in Time Magazine in 2001, the name. | ||
| You know, it was a congressional hearings, dateline. | ||
| This isn't a name that needed to be built up. | ||
| So when Rick gets out, he's getting approached by Nick Cassavetti, Ari Emanuel, Jeff Berg, the top people in Hollywood. | ||
| He doesn't need the rapper to build his name up. | ||
| It's just also crazy because you know that he says that he's an expert on the culture. | ||
| So it's insanity. | ||
| No, there's articles. | ||
| There's an article. | ||
| Look, there's an article where he says in 01, I mean, I'm sorry, 06. This is the rapper, Show and Prove XXL. He says, it's rumored that the guy started the Crips. | ||
| Then you come out with a song with Jay-Z and Dre, Three Kings, where he says, my cousin was a Crip, heard it was a C thing. | ||
| It's like, come on, man. | ||
| I mean, how much are you going to do to copy the man's life? | ||
| I mean, there are no... | ||
| I don't think there's many Crips walking around Florida. | ||
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Wow. | |
| So strange. | ||
| It's a strange, strange thing to lock onto that. | ||
| I wonder what his mindset is. | ||
| I wonder if he just feels like he's got something successful and fucking, well, I mess with what's good. | ||
| I'm just going to keep driving until the wheels fall off. | ||
| Yeah, but any rational person would come and say, you know what, I've done good off of this person. | ||
| You know, they've helped me get here. | ||
| Let me go to the table and square this up. | ||
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Uh huh. | |
| You know, let me let me make right what I made wrong because by right, he should have came to me and said something to me from the beginning. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Had I not been in jail, he never would have done this. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And been under the restraints that I was under. | ||
| And for folks who don't know, we talked about this in the last time you were here, but for folks who don't know, he thought you were in jail for life, but you, because of reading different legal arguments in jail, you realized that the three strikes rule did not apply to your case because two of the things were consecutive. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Concurrent. | ||
| Concurrent. | ||
| Thought, like a lot of people did, that you were in jail for life. | ||
| That was what it was supposed to be. | ||
| Him and the labels. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Him and the labels. | ||
| It was all in the newspaper that I had a life sentence. | ||
| So it's like if you tried to call yourself John Gotti. | ||
| He's dead. | ||
| You can get away with it. | ||
| Why would I want to be John Gotti? | ||
| Aren't you proud to be who you are? | ||
| Can't you... | ||
| Be yourself. | ||
| I mean, you're never going to make your family's name. | ||
| I mean, all I ever wanted in life was to take my name and put my name in lights, not me go out and put Joe Rogan. | ||
| I mean, what does that do for me? | ||
| You know, how does that satisfy my crave and my needs? | ||
| He's actually a second. | ||
| That's what's right. | ||
| Well, maybe he just thinks that's the only way he could do it. | ||
| I mean, he thinks that there was like, you know, what's the difference between him and a lot of other rappers? | ||
| For me, accomplishing something means that you actually go out and accomplish something. | ||
| Not where, I mean, you know, if you cheat and get it, that you really accomplish it. | ||
| No, I agree with you. | ||
| I think anyone rational agrees with you, but there's people that feel like they can't make it without cheating. | ||
| They can't make it without stealing. | ||
| They can't make it without lying. | ||
| They can't do it, so they just do it. | ||
| And that's what they do. | ||
| The normal go-to mode is to be full of shit. | ||
| And then just exist that way. | ||
| That's a lot of people, man. | ||
| And that's one of the reasons I think that our country is in such bad shape right now because we're in a mode of fake it till you make it. | ||
| And if you don't make it, keep faking it. | ||
| I got a whole bit of my act I'm doing now. | ||
| We're trying to explain Kim Kardashian to an alien. | ||
| You look at how ridiculous our culture really is now. | ||
| Try explaining Snooki to someone from another planet. | ||
| Try explaining this Rick Ross thing. | ||
| You would go crazy. | ||
| And then the other part of it is just to realize... | ||
| When you say Rick Ross, you're talking about the Iran-Contra scandal, a really important part of American history. | ||
| Right, yeah. | ||
| And for him to come out and do that, he dilutes, he confuses the story, so it kind of hurts the product in a lot of ways. | ||
| It hurts history. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Yeah, it's confusing to people. | ||
| You're clouding it out. | ||
| And then if someone goes back and reads Rick Ross, like, what is this guy? | ||
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Who is this? | |
| I ran Contra. | ||
| What the fuck is he? | ||
| The rapper? | ||
| Is that the rapper? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And then it's just, what, do they have the same name? | ||
| Like, there's some dudes who are born and the name is Ray Charles. | ||
| Like, good fucking luck with that. | ||
| That's retarded. | ||
| You got to change your fucking name. | ||
| There's already a Ray Charles, man. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| But that's one thing if your mom named you that. | ||
| Yeah, but you got to change it. | ||
| You name yourself? | ||
| You got to come up with a nickname. | ||
| You know, it's ridiculous. | ||
| You got to name yourself the name. | ||
| Now, that's really ridiculous. | ||
| It's so stupid. | ||
| Can you imagine if you're a young basketball player and you try to call yourself Michael Jordan? | ||
| Michael Jordan. | ||
| What the fuck are you talking about, man? | ||
| There's already a Michael Jordan. | ||
| People are crazy. | ||
| This is just more evidence that we're completely losing our minds. | ||
| No, but the thing you got to realize is what about this on purpose? | ||
| Because you want to walk in that room and get that interest. | ||
| Well, I think he probably started it out when he didn't have as much of an understanding of how quick information transfers. | ||
| But it seems to have worked enough that he's on the cover of Rolling Stone with all these fucking diamonds. | ||
| So there had to be some benefit to it for him. | ||
| Oh, absolutely. | ||
| He's covered in diamonds. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| Well, he knew that basically in the streets, you know, because... | ||
| I basically hid from people. | ||
| You know, people didn't see me. | ||
| They didn't get to know me. | ||
| So nobody really know what I look like. | ||
| So when he came out, they just had heard the name. | ||
| The name was ingrained in people's mind. | ||
| And people just gravitated to the name. | ||
| Almost in an abstract way, without even really remembering the case, it was almost like, do you know fucking Mayor, what's his name? | ||
| Noriega. | ||
| Do you know what Noriega actually did? | ||
| Most people don't. | ||
| But that name, Noriega... | ||
| It sticks. | ||
| You know the name, because it's been out there so many times, you heard it. | ||
| He's actually counting on people to not know. | ||
| Oh, absolutely. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| And that's how he's benefiting right now because people still don't know. | ||
| Because people are starting to... | ||
| Matter of fact, we did a photo shoot a couple weeks ago from a guy. | ||
| Where was he from? | ||
| London? | ||
| He's from the Netherlands. | ||
| From Netherlands. | ||
| And he was saying when he came over there, they booed him. | ||
| Oh, shit. | ||
| Yeah, they actually booed him on the stage. | ||
| Because they know what's up. | ||
| When was this? | ||
| How long ago was this? | ||
| Maybe about a month ago. | ||
| Oh, shit. | ||
| Our podcast has legs in Netherlands. | ||
| But you know they're not going to put that on the news. | ||
| Yeah, of course not, man. | ||
| That won't make the cover of Rolling Stones. | ||
| What you're doing now is coming on podcasts and putting shit on. | ||
| I've seen a lot of your other interviews that you've got online. | ||
| And you are spelling it out. | ||
| Calmly, rationally, non-emotionally. | ||
| You know, you're just spelling it out. | ||
| And you're saying the same fucking thing every time. | ||
| And then you see when people try to corner him on it. | ||
| It's like this weird, awkward, mad dog moment where it just kind of gets loud. | ||
| Well, you know, we're not about all that. | ||
| You know, moving on to something else now. | ||
| Tell us about Roe Jude. | ||
| We're about money. | ||
| We're about money. | ||
| Oh, Rude Jude said he asked him about the price of an ounce. | ||
| Oh, shit. | ||
| This is before, though. | ||
| This is like 07, 08. Yeah, when he was... | ||
| Rude Jude said he asked him about the price of an ounce of cocaine. | ||
| What did he say? | ||
| He got real healthy. | ||
| Yeah, he said the guy didn't know the price. | ||
| And Ruth said he didn't really know. | ||
| Because Ruth said, I don't know about no cocaine. | ||
| But just fuck with him and see what's up. | ||
| I'm just asking. | ||
| No, he thought that he really knew. | ||
| He thought that he was really me. | ||
| Right. | ||
| At that time, you know. | ||
| So he expected him to give you an answer. | ||
| You know, somebody come in and say they're a butcher. | ||
| You're going to ask them about me. | ||
| You know, if somebody asks me, man, what was the ounce of cocaine going for? | ||
| I could just, you know, just right off the top of the head because I lived it. | ||
| You know, I was there. | ||
| But, you know, somebody who hasn't done it, then, you know, it's total. | ||
| Right. | ||
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So he got caught quick. | |
| That was a pretty easy question. | ||
| I'm sure that he can get caught more often. | ||
| But, you know, right now... | ||
| I mean, media is not media anymore. | ||
| I mean, it's not about reporting the truth. | ||
| That's why it's so good that, you know, people like you are doing the podcast and the internet, you know, because right now with the mainstream media, man, they're all bought and paid for it. | ||
| It's done, isn't it? | ||
| CNN can go suck it. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| They're done. | ||
| They're all done. | ||
| I mean, if you listen to the radio, you're going to hear ten songs. | ||
| Over and over again. | ||
| The same 10 songs over and over again. | ||
| The shocking thing though is the news. | ||
| The news really is shocking. | ||
| There's a lot of shit that just doesn't get described. | ||
| And the way it's explained is very off. | ||
| Try getting the real scoop on WikiLeaks from watching the news. | ||
| You don't know what the fuck is going on. | ||
| And they don't give us BBC. Yeah. | ||
| BBC is like some good news. | ||
| BBC is great. | ||
| You know what's also great? | ||
| Al Jazeera. | ||
| Al Jazeera is pretty honest news. | ||
| You know, there's people in other countries that still look at the news and they look at journalism like they have an obligation to show the uncomfortable truth. | ||
| And that's why I think that Brandon Sautenberg, the guy at Spin Magazine, shout out to him because he did a really good job of getting his piece out. | ||
| What's funny, he puts it in Spin Magazine and makes the cover. | ||
| We didn't know it was going to be on the cover. | ||
| And then the next morning, Costa Rica Times runs it, of all places. | ||
| The Costa Rica Times. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Yeah, other countries, they can still tell the news, as long as it's not about drug dealers that are local. | ||
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No. | |
| You can tell the news about other shit. | ||
| It's a sad statement to how far we've fallen as a country that you just watch propaganda on TV. Well, they want the people to be dumb. | ||
| If the people are dumb and just following what they say follow, then it's easy for them to control what's going on. | ||
| This Mitt Romney guy is terrifying. | ||
| This Mitt Romney guy is not even a real human being. | ||
| It's the strangest thing. | ||
| He seems like he's from the 50s. | ||
| Straight out of the 50s. | ||
| Transported him. | ||
| Those old DAs. | ||
| Father those best. | ||
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The DA. What are you kids doing today? | |
| You're not getting into any trouble, are you? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He doesn't seem like a real human. | ||
| He sat down with some guy who was a gay Vietnam veteran. | ||
| And the guy asked him about gay rights. | ||
| And he probably didn't think the dude was a veteran. | ||
| And it just said he wasn't into gay people being married. | ||
| And then the guy just trashed him after he left. | ||
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Right. | |
| It was great. | ||
| It was beautiful. | ||
| But it was awkward watching Mitt Romney communicate with him. | ||
| He's just an awkward dude. | ||
| It's like when you see him talking to somebody, he's like, do you interact with anybody? | ||
| Who are you interacting with? | ||
| He's in some fucking silver room counting diamonds. | ||
| And he occasionally has one of his minions will come in and ask questions. | ||
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He was really, really, really rich. | |
| Like $100 million rich. | ||
| He's a fucking stupid rich guy. | ||
| So he's awkward talking to regular folks. | ||
| When was the last time he's been a regular dude out there going to Subway? | ||
| You know, buying a sandwich and shit. | ||
| He's an odd duck. | ||
| And you know, that's what we need. | ||
| We need some regular people. | ||
| People who are out here dealing with real life situations that know, you know, that gas costs money, you know. | ||
| It's like a lot of times these people don't understand that... | ||
| We have real problems out here on the streets. | ||
| There's people that have to ride the bus. | ||
| The funny thing also was to watch the difference between the two conventions. | ||
| When you watch the Republican convention, it was awkward. | ||
| You heard about what they did to the reporter? | ||
| The CNN reporter? | ||
| No. | ||
| They threw peanuts at her and called her an animal. | ||
| What? | ||
| Yeah, black CNN reporter. | ||
| What? | ||
| Is it on camera? | ||
| I don't know if it's on camera, but it was everywhere. | ||
| It was everywhere in the news. | ||
| Holy shit. | ||
| I vaguely remember skimming through something like that, but I had to run out the door and never got back to it. | ||
| CNN reporter, peanuts. | ||
| So when you say it's awkward, you just look at the Democratic platform and the Democratic convention, it was like, all accepted? | ||
| Yeah, that's it. | ||
| Wow, CNN camerawoman had nuts thrown at her at the GOP. Whoa. | ||
| That's insane. | ||
| Absolutely insane. | ||
| Antonio is like a... | ||
| Encyclopedia. | ||
| If something happens, he knows about it. | ||
| That's pretty intense. | ||
| That's the only saving grace of the Liberal Party is that they're much more for equality, whether it's sexual equality, racial equality. | ||
| The problem is... | ||
| When they start doing the same shit with corporations, they start accepting giant amounts of money, and then they're both basically beholden to the same people at the top. | ||
| But you benefit socially when Democrats are in, you know... | ||
| Well, you know, that's our whole system right now. | ||
| Everybody's being paid for, you know, by big corporations. | ||
| It's staggering. | ||
| It really is staggering when you stop and think about it. | ||
| You look at the amount of money that's donated to campaigns and you look at some of the things that people have said that they would do before they got in the office and then you find out what they're really going to do. | ||
| They don't really have a say. | ||
| If you could get Obama and he could do whatever the fuck he wanted to and everybody just had to listen. | ||
| Do you think he would run things this way? | ||
| I say no fucking way. | ||
| I say there's an idealistic young college student inside that guy's head. | ||
| He's too close to that. | ||
| He's too young. | ||
| Too young, too smart, too articulate. | ||
| You gotta know that at one point in time there was a dude who was, you know, kicking back, who was hoping for a better world. | ||
| Now here he is, finger on the trigger, and he can't get nothing done. | ||
| That's when you know. | ||
| Maybe his finger isn't on the trigger. | ||
| Yeah, he can't. | ||
| He can't put it on the trigger. | ||
| He can't really. | ||
| He can see it. | ||
| I don't think they have a say. | ||
| I think it's just like being a sitcom character. | ||
| I think you get in there and then they tell you what the fuck you're going to do. | ||
| And it's not one person pulling the shots. | ||
| I think that's why they killed JFK. He tried to get crazy. | ||
| You know, JFK just decided to say, listen, I'm going to fix things. | ||
| I'm going to run things the right way. | ||
| I'm going to get rid of this federal bank. | ||
| I'm going to do that. | ||
| And they were like, what? | ||
| You're out of here. | ||
| Get in that fucking car, stupid. | ||
| We're going to get rid of you. | ||
| Yeah, you're not doing it. | ||
| This is a money grab. | ||
| This is not, you know, it's not really all about running the country. | ||
| It's about making a fuckload of money and running the country while you make a fuckload of money. | ||
| But you know what? | ||
| They've got to understand that If eventually, if the money doesn't trickle down to the normal people, if the normal people keep living in the conditions that they're living in, that revolution is going to come. | ||
| You know, I mean, they see it happen in all these other countries, you know, which they help. | ||
| Well, that's why they keep passing these new laws. | ||
| That's what all these National Defense Authorization Act and the ability to impound people without having to give them due legal process, all that stuff that they're doing right now and passing through law is to just prepare for civil unrest, prepare to do things legally because somebody wrote it on paper, something that's absolutely immoral. | ||
| So that's what they're preparing to do. | ||
| They're preparing to do everything the same way Bahrain is doing it, the same way Saudi Arabia is doing it. | ||
| I mean, we have to look at all these places like Egypt and Libya. | ||
| You have to look at that and go, worst case scenario, someone could go fucking crazy here too. | ||
| I got this crazy, crazy email, and it had a PDF in there, and it was from Citibank. | ||
| It was a PDF that only was sent to elite clients, and it was basically telling them how to manage their money amidst chaos, because chaos is coming. | ||
| It's a specific name for it. | ||
| I have to look at my emails, but it was just talking about the percentage chances of this happening or that happening. | ||
| What the fuck? | ||
| It's so hard to wrap your head around the fact that that might be our future. | ||
| Look, go to the Roman Empire and go look at all those broken down buildings. | ||
| How come they never kept up those buildings? | ||
| How come people didn't keep living in them? | ||
| Because the whole thing fell apart. | ||
| There was nothing left. | ||
| I mean, the whole thing just shattered into the rocks and it had to rebuild itself with time. | ||
| And that keeps happening over and over again to people. | ||
| We get to this point where we get super greedy and we have a lot of money and a lot of resources and the people at the top just hoard over that shit and then, boom, it hits the rocks. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, like $100 million is gone. | ||
| It'd be less if you lose $5 million or $200 million. | ||
| You're not living any better. | ||
| There's only so many cars you can drive and so many houses you can live in. | ||
| They say after $40 million that your life never changes. | ||
| Well, I think what happens though is that people get crazy and then it becomes like a mad game to them. | ||
| They can never have enough chips. | ||
| They just want to keep. | ||
| I know people that are rich that still get fucking jazzed up about making money. | ||
| They still get fired up about it. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't understand it. | ||
| If you were Bill Gates, wouldn't you want to just chill? | ||
| There's no way you're going to spend all that money. | ||
| But for him, he's got this empire thing in his head. | ||
| He gets off on controlling all these different operating systems, having all these computers, having this giant market share, conquering and moving forward and creating new technology and creating new Xboxes and shit. | ||
| The dude's still pushing it. | ||
| It's amazing. | ||
| You know, those guys get addicted. | ||
| He could retire a hundred people. | ||
| He's got billions of dollars, man. | ||
| But that's assuming that money's gonna be worth anything. | ||
| You know, I mean, try to get a hold of some Roman money. | ||
| What's that shit worth today? | ||
| If it's gold, if it's gold. | ||
| Yeah, if it's gold. | ||
| It's worth a lot. | ||
| Isn't that fucked up that back then when they didn't have anything, man? | ||
| I mean, there was no cars, there was no TV. People still agreed on gold. | ||
| Like, you can get me some of that shiny yellow shit. | ||
| Gold or the white lines. | ||
| Well, back then it was probably poppy seeds and shit and poppy plants. | ||
| And the leaves. | ||
| They've been chewing those leaves for years. | ||
| Oh, the coca leaves, yeah. | ||
| Which is a really healthy way to do it, they say. | ||
| For high-altitude people in Peru, or you say Peru if you want to impress a chick. | ||
| You know how to say it right? | ||
| When you're in Peru. | ||
| White guys that talk with authentic Spanish accents are annoying as fuck. | ||
| But anyway, you get a hold of those cocoa leaves and you chew it and apparently it's better than coffee. | ||
| And just as healthy. | ||
| And it actually gives you alkaloids and it gives you some minerals and shit and phytonutrients from eating the plants, the leaves, like chewing it up. | ||
| So it really is not bad for you. | ||
| It's just when you turn it into cocaine, that's when shit gets freaky. | ||
| The person who found that out. | ||
| Yeah, who's that asshole? | ||
| Started this whole fucking problem. | ||
| You could have just been a cocoa leaf dealer and everybody would be fine. | ||
| If it was legal... | ||
| See, people don't understand. | ||
| If cocoa leaves were legal, we really have no problem. | ||
| As long as nobody processed that and turned that shit into cocaine, it's a great thing to have. | ||
| You can make tea out of it. | ||
| It gives you a lot of energy. | ||
| You can chew the leaves. | ||
| Or even if they had dispensaries back then. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Cocoa leaves dispensaries. | ||
| If they had a weed dispenser, would you have gone into that? | ||
| Oh, absolutely. | ||
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Really? | |
| That's the way to do it, right? | ||
| Yeah, everybody's going to be fine that way. | ||
| It's when you get robbed by non-weed-smoking people. | ||
| When they know that you've got money and weed there. | ||
| The real problem is getting robbed. | ||
| Rob you and put you in jail. | ||
| That's the bad part. | ||
| That's what I was going to say. | ||
| We're going to take your money, your weed, and put you in jail. | ||
| That's what a lot of people don't realize is that happens a lot. | ||
| When they rob you, they take your money. | ||
| The cops come, they steal all the plants, and they take all your money. | ||
| And they don't ever have to give it back. | ||
| You're never going to get that shit back. | ||
| You go to court. | ||
| Good luck. | ||
| You're getting your fucking weed back. | ||
| You're getting your money back. | ||
| Stop it. | ||
| It doesn't matter if it's legal. | ||
| It's not federally legal. | ||
| So they just challenge it on a federal level, and you've got to drop it. | ||
| That's crazy, but when the people can't... | ||
| Can't decide for themselves. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, wow. | ||
| I mean, if the people vote to make something legal, I mean, I think it should be legal. | ||
| It's the same thing like this fake Rick Ross guy. | ||
| There's a transparency of the information. | ||
| It's so obvious. | ||
| It doesn't make sense that it's still around. | ||
| It's just one more piece of evidence that shows how crazy we are. | ||
| The marijuana one, it's not like there's nothing that can get you fucked up. | ||
| It's not like marijuana is the only thing that we've ever had ever that gets you fucked up. | ||
| And then people would be like, man, maybe we shouldn't really be messing with our normal state of consciousness because everything seems to be going smooth as long as people are sober. | ||
| But there's a lot of shit that can get you fucked up everywhere you go. | ||
| Every CVS you go into, you could die. | ||
| And then you come back to what you said about the transparency of Rick Ross. | ||
| You've got to look at this. | ||
| You've got to have a school. | ||
| Call it School A. They'll say, we don't want the drug dealer coming in talking about literacy. | ||
| The former drug dealer, let me say that. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Was that what he does? | ||
| No. | ||
| He gives talks? | ||
| No, that's it. | ||
| They don't want three-way Rick coming in talking about literacy. | ||
| Okay, right. | ||
| But then turn around and authorize Rick Ross to come in and do hustling. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Which is about drugs. | ||
| Isn't that, I mean, I just, that's, it makes no sense. | ||
| Well, you didn't even learn how to read until you went to jail, right? | ||
| Yeah, I was 28 years old when I learned how to read. | ||
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Wow. | |
| Wow. | ||
| That's incredible, man. | ||
| Your story is so... | ||
| What I've always said is that the number one problem that we have in this country is that people are not caring how young people that aren't theirs are growing up. | ||
| And you've got to look at young people as like the number one piece of potential. | ||
| Like if there's anything that has potential, it's a human being. | ||
| And you have human beings that grow up with no future and no fucking chance and no hope and no nothing and no education and no love. | ||
| We're just making a shitty person. | ||
| It's almost like you've got to find out where we're bleeding. | ||
| A shitty society. | ||
| Yes, a shitty society. | ||
| Because that one person is going to bleed on somebody else. | ||
| It's going to create a ripple effect. | ||
| It's like we've got to find out where we're wounded, where we're wounded. | ||
| We'll find that spot, whatever that spot is, culturally, where is the most amount of crime, where's the most amount of despair, where's the least amount of love. | ||
| That needs to be patched up. | ||
| And until they patch that shit up, We're never going to figure this out. | ||
| You're always going to have craziness that makes no sense, like this fake Rick Ross character, or like marijuana being illegal, or like Mitt Romney. | ||
| We're insane, Snooki. | ||
| We're insane. | ||
| We're an insane culture. | ||
| We've never been more insane as a culture. | ||
| I mean, I think shit was probably insane back in the Elvis days. | ||
| Shit was probably insane when the Osmond brothers were huge, okay? | ||
| But we've never been this insane. | ||
| Well, technology kind of does that. | ||
| When you think about the exposure element of it all, I was thinking about my grandmother. | ||
| My grandmother grew up in a town where she saw the same people every day. | ||
| We see all new people every day. | ||
| You can be who you want to be. | ||
| It's great if your town's full of awesome people. | ||
| You know, I've always said that the thing that we should do is organize a place where you could go and everybody's awesome. | ||
| Like, everybody decide to buy a house in this one spot. | ||
| Or a bar. | ||
| Cheers. | ||
| Yeah, you don't want a bar. | ||
| You want a neighborhood. | ||
| You want a whole neighborhood for all your friends. | ||
| But that's hard to do, man. | ||
| We have cars, so we fuck it up. | ||
| We don't have, like, a neighborhood tribe anymore. | ||
| Like, it used to be that you would live around only the people that you knew. | ||
| Like, okay, Mike, I'm going to make my house right here. | ||
| You want to make your house right there? | ||
| Well, good. | ||
| If you hear a bear, wake me up. | ||
| But now it's like, why would I have a house near you when I could just drive to your house? | ||
| I mean, Brian's house is fucking half an hour away from me. | ||
| I don't drive to his house. | ||
| Joey's house is 10 minutes this way. | ||
| Eddie's house is over here. | ||
| I don't drive to anybody's house. | ||
| It's not like they're all in your neighborhood and you go knock on their door. | ||
| It's not like you're all together in a little tribe. | ||
| So we're all dysfunctional because we have these giant groups that you would think, oh, these motherfuckers all know each other. | ||
| This is a giant group of 20 million people living in L.A. But no, nobody knows anybody. | ||
| You don't know anybody anywhere near you. | ||
| You're constantly surrounded by strangers. | ||
| It's the weirdest thing ever. | ||
| And people are really shitty now. | ||
| I mean, have you tried to pull over, like change lanes on the freeway, on the street, and the guy next to you speeds up and he's going just fast enough to keep you from getting over? | ||
| And I'm like, damn, buddy. | ||
| I mean, what was it going to give you? | ||
| Ten seconds? | ||
| You get there ten seconds later? | ||
| But that's the whole thing that comes out of not knowing everybody. | ||
| Because essentially you don't have to be responsible. | ||
| Today I might meet you, never see you again, so I can be whoever I want to be to you. | ||
| And then tomorrow I'm going to see all new people. | ||
| That is true. | ||
| That is true. | ||
| And that's not good, necessarily. | ||
| But the other hand is, you get exposure to a lot of different kinds of people, so you get a pretty broad sense of what's possible. | ||
| When you think about meeting human beings, where a regular person might not get such a crazy view of people. | ||
| Not if they're all watching Kim Kardashian. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| If you just go to the same spot every day for lunch. | ||
| Same Hollywood club. | ||
| Wait for famous people to walk in. | ||
| Who's that? | ||
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Is that her? | |
| Snooki. | ||
| That's Snooki. | ||
| Oh, that fat bitch. | ||
| I never crossed a team freeway. | ||
| What's our son's name? | ||
| Guido? | ||
| Is that what his name? | ||
| Guido Snooki. | ||
| Is that his name? | ||
| Did you just make that up? | ||
| I think his name is Guido. | ||
| I know it's a hairy baby. | ||
| I heard that. | ||
| It's a hairy baby? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Snooki's baby. | ||
| It's probably going to turn out it's just all snatch hair that fell off during the birth and just stuck to his head. | ||
| You can't clean them off. | ||
| You just scrub all day. | ||
| Those fucking hairs are glued into his head. | ||
| Oh, it's Lorenzo. | ||
| Dried Snooki Snatch Juice. | ||
| It's better than Gorilla Glue. | ||
| Could you imagine, man, you're going to wake up and be fucking four years old and you go, wait a minute, Mom, what do you do? | ||
| What do you do? | ||
| You hear that chick from that show? | ||
| Oh, shit. | ||
| Imagine being a five-year-old watching Jersey Shore and that's your mom and she gets punched in the face by some dude at a bar. | ||
| Did you ever see her get punched in the face? | ||
| She got punched in the face, man, by a teacher. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| You know you're an annoying cunt when a teacher is at a bar and he punches you in the face. | ||
| No, imagine being 30 and showing it to your son. | ||
| Here's your grandma. | ||
| And by the way, the guy who punched her is like a teacher and an MMA fighter. | ||
| Oh. | ||
| And she was like saying something to her and she just punched her right in the face on TV. Yeah. | ||
| Like what? | ||
| First of all, what a piece of shit that dude is. | ||
| Like this, if he didn't know a camera was there, like he didn't know. | ||
| He was just hammered. | ||
| He had no idea. | ||
| Well, I know they rushed him to jail. | ||
| Oh fuck yeah. | ||
| Of course they did. | ||
| With the quickness. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Dude, he cracked her too. | ||
| Yeah? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, they tried to assault with a deadly weapon. | ||
| Well, no, because he didn't hit her with anything, so I think it's just assault. | ||
| If you're an MMA fighter... | ||
| Look at that. | ||
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Yeah, but I don't think... | |
| Bam! | ||
| You got it? | ||
| I don't think it matters, man. | ||
| People think that it matters, like, oh, man, your hands are deadly weapons. | ||
| No, but you know what does matter, man? | ||
| Shoes. | ||
| Shoes are weapons. | ||
| You got it, Brian? | ||
| Are you pulling it up? | ||
| Is that what you're doing? | ||
| Oh, I'm sorry. | ||
| How did you guys see it? | ||
| All right, here. | ||
| Watch this shit. | ||
| Yeah, this is it. | ||
| Watch this shit. | ||
| Oh! | ||
|
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Oh! | |
| That dude cracked her. | ||
| Wait, one more time. | ||
| It's kind of a slap punch. | ||
| That was a punch, man. | ||
| It just wasn't good. | ||
| He was an MMA fighter, but I bet he got his ass kicked a lot. | ||
| Well, he won that. | ||
| He probably got paid a lot of money to punch her. | ||
| You think he did? | ||
| Do you think they paid him to punch her? | ||
| Well, I do know that show is completely fucking, like, 99% fake. | ||
| I didn't even think of that. | ||
| I don't know about a punch, though. | ||
| That seemed pretty fucking real, right? | ||
| That seemed like he really did hit her. | ||
| It did seem like he did. | ||
| But, you know, they can fake him. | ||
| Those motherfuckers. | ||
| Got us again. | ||
| I had a fake punch a dude once, and I accidentally hit him. | ||
| It was like a fake bar fight in a sitcom, and I accidentally hit the dude. | ||
| I think sometimes in those fight scenes, dudes get really fucked up. | ||
| Didn't Sylvester Stallone, he broke his fucking neck at like 60 years old filming a fight scene. | ||
| Apparently his neck is fused with a plate. | ||
| Yeah? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Hey, tell them about the beard that you heard. | ||
| You remember? | ||
| Oh, about William Roberts' beard? | ||
| His beard? | ||
| Oh, they got online where they show you how they fix his beard up. | ||
| Oh, how they make it thicker or something? | ||
| Well, you know his beard, he can't grow facial hairs. | ||
| What? | ||
| Come on. | ||
| They take a piece of carpet and... | ||
| Get the fuck out of here. | ||
| Now you're just making shit up. | ||
| No, for real. | ||
| They showed it to me online. | ||
| A girl was like, hey, go right here and you can see how they fix his beard. | ||
| His beard is not real. | ||
| It's a piece of carpet. | ||
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What? | |
| She made a good point. | ||
| She was like, Rick, how long have you been growing your beard? | ||
| I said, since I was 18. She said, well, you got holes in your beard. | ||
| I said, yeah, I always try to get those filled in, and they never fill in. | ||
| She said, well, look at his. | ||
| He don't have any holes anywhere. | ||
| She said, isn't it perfect? | ||
| Yeah, but Brian grows a beard. | ||
| You don't have holes in your beard. | ||
| Your shit grows pretty thick. | ||
| Uh, yeah. | ||
| It's... | ||
| Yeah, I can grow a pretty thick beard too, man. | ||
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I don't know. | |
| Well, they got it online where you can see the guy fix it up. | ||
| You can see him glue it down and shit? | ||
| Yeah, the whole thing. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| That doesn't make any sense. | ||
| Do you think the tattoos are real? | ||
| Imagine if that shit's real. | ||
| If it's fake. | ||
| If the tattoos are fake, you catch him in the shower, it's all running. | ||
| Can he take the Rick Ross off his knuckles? | ||
| That's bizarre, huh? | ||
| He's got your name on his knuckles. | ||
| No, and then he says he doesn't know you. | ||
| I don't know you. | ||
| So strange. | ||
| Oh, wow. | ||
| And then he gives you the finger. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Yeah, so, you know, we're going around now, you know, basically just trying to... | ||
| Trying to do what we just talked about, educating the kids on becoming critical thinkers and letting them know that eventually we're going to have to take the power back into our own hands or be led to slaughter. | ||
| We have a non-profit now too, FreewayLiteracy.org. | ||
| Freeway Literacy Foundation has been talking to a couple of celebrities. | ||
| It's about, of course, literacy in regard to reading, but also leadership literacy and financial literacy. | ||
| Because now, coming back to our point in this whole podcast, a lot of people can read and write. | ||
| But the question is, what are you reading and writing? | ||
| DNC was on last night. | ||
| And if you was watching Snooki over to DNC and you went to college, you got problems. | ||
| Yeah, you know, I watched a very convincing video today by this guy. | ||
| I think his name is Stefan Molyneux. | ||
| He's a philosopher from Canada, but he had a very convincing argument on why you shouldn't vote. | ||
| He was like, it's fucking bullshit. | ||
| It's like you're contributing to a game by pretending it's real. | ||
| And essentially, you're giving in to this Fucking shell game and rooting on this fake leader. | ||
| And then it's not real. | ||
| Like, this whole system's been bought. | ||
| And he had a very convincing argument. | ||
| You know? | ||
| So, watching a DNC might be like watching a pro wrestling event before SummerSlam. | ||
| You know? | ||
| Might get you all fired up. | ||
| But really, what the fuck is going on behind the scenes? | ||
| It ain't Bill Clinton telling you how much better you are. | ||
| You know? | ||
| Bill Clinton's just trying to win so he gets his dick sucked again. | ||
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He just wants to... | |
| Get up there and say something dope as fuck. | ||
| So he comes off and he's in a cocktail party and next thing some chick is sucking his dick. | ||
| I was just reading the article to Rick about Bill and just exposing that whole Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac. | ||
| I mean, he said everybody's going to get a house. | ||
| Some people can't have a house. | ||
| Yeah, some people can't afford a fucking house. | ||
| And also the strange death of Vince Foster. | ||
| He was involved, people forget, he was involved with some giant real estate scandal. | ||
| And Clinton and his wife. | ||
| And then there was a dude named Vince Foster who was... | ||
| I forget what he did. | ||
| I forget his whole deal. | ||
| I remember that in Arkansas. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He was a big part of this whole case, I believe. | ||
| And he turned up dead. | ||
| And the lady went to jail. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| With the gun still in his hand. | ||
| I think his wife went to jail for contempt of court. | ||
| She wouldn't... | ||
| She wouldn't testify. | ||
| That's probably a good move on her part. | ||
| Well, you know the good thing about me is they don't allow me to register to vote anyway, so I don't have a choice. | ||
| Yeah, at this point, you're probably better off that way. | ||
| It sounds ridiculous, but this Stefan Molyneux guy had a very interesting take on it. | ||
| It's reluctant. | ||
| It's almost people like, well, if you want to fucking change things, you need to get out and vote. | ||
| And you've got to go, really? | ||
| I'm not sure. | ||
| Well, Joe, I think that also you've got to look at what type of voting. | ||
| Maybe on a national level that applies. | ||
| But on a local level, you can vote with your feet, vote with going down to your council. | ||
| You can vote with your wallet, too. | ||
| Yeah, people don't even go down to their council member meetings and talk about that pothole that's in front of their house. | ||
| It's true. | ||
| You're right. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| Local politics are real. | ||
| That's legit. | ||
| That's why Arnold Schwarzenegger couldn't get shit done. | ||
| Because of Joe Rogan. | ||
| Arnold got in there and saw what a tangled mess this whole thing was. | ||
| I think they thought they'd be able to clean it up. | ||
| It's a mess. | ||
| But I think mayors, governors, things along those lines, that's real. | ||
| They can really change things and affect things. | ||
| You could have a good mayor or a shitty mayor. | ||
| I mean, look what happened in New York City. | ||
| Look how New York City was cleaned up. | ||
| It's a strange thing. | ||
| A strange thing how much something can change with the right guidance and the right leadership. | ||
| But... | ||
| On a federal level, man, if it really got anything done, if voting really could change things, they'd figure out a way to fuck it up. | ||
| They'd figure out a way to make it illegal. | ||
| Yeah, one of the things I was even telling Rick was I was looking at some of the local elections and like 20,000 people, we could mobilize 20,000 people and pick who we want. | ||
| It's true. | ||
| We could pick. | ||
| For local elections, especially if you guys do a podcast, do a Freeway Ricky podcast. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, you think we should? | ||
| Fuck yeah! | ||
| You're going to be the Vice President in general. | ||
| You're great on it. | ||
| It can't be elected me. | ||
| I barely have time for my own. | ||
| No, the Vice President of Freeway Studios. | ||
| Oh, Freeway Studios? | ||
| I think you could do it, man, for sure. | ||
| You would be able to really mobilize a lot of people that way. | ||
| People like hearing you talk, man. | ||
| You've got great stories, and your life is fascinating. | ||
| And you think about what a podcast is. | ||
| If you can be entertaining and interesting, you... | ||
| Then all of a sudden you've got a group of people that are tuned in to you and they get used to you. | ||
| They sort of become your friend. | ||
| That's sort of what happens on this show. | ||
| On this show, people know that if I'm telling them something, it's because it's true or it's because I believe it's true. | ||
| I'm not bullshitting. | ||
| When people get to know you, they'll know the same thing. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| From there, any speech you're ever going to do somewhere, anything you want to get passed through, anything you want to let people know about that they don't know about, You have a voice. | ||
| And you have a voice that, I mean, it'll start off with, you know, X amount of people, and then it'll double, and then it'll triple. | ||
| And as long as you keep doing it, next thing you know, you got your own fucking radio show. | ||
| You got your own Freeway Ricky radio show. | ||
| You can do whatever the fuck you want. | ||
| Because I know I still get people to come up to me for my last show that we did. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And say, hey man, I saw you on Joe Rogan. | ||
| I was at the dub show like two weeks ago in downtown Atlanta at the convention center. | ||
| And man, at least five or ten people came up to me. | ||
| Man, that was a great job you did on Joe Rogan. | ||
| I was like, wow, that was almost a year ago. | ||
| That's awesome. | ||
| The dub show, man. | ||
| That market's taking a hit, man. | ||
| The big wheel market. | ||
| That market's taking a hit. | ||
| Yeah, all the luxurious markets. | ||
| Yeah, but the big wheel market. | ||
| Even people who have nice cars, they don't buy the big wheels anymore. | ||
| No, no. | ||
| The dub's doing good, though. | ||
| The magazine, you mean? | ||
| They had about 50,000 people at their car show. | ||
| Yeah, I just bought the new magazine. | ||
| They have cool cars in it, man. | ||
| It's fascinating shit, like what people do in their cars. | ||
| They had Mr. Cartoon, a tattoo artist, and a couple other dudes who I don't know who they are, but they had some pretty badass cars. | ||
| But the big wheel market? | ||
| Shit. | ||
| Nobody wants those wagon wheels anymore. | ||
| You don't want spinners on your Honda? | ||
| How long did spinners last? | ||
| What was the legit lifespan for spinners, Brian? | ||
| I still see them once in a while. | ||
| Do you really? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Dana White used to have them. | ||
| But, you know, they have a way of changing people's appetite. | ||
| You know, today it's big wheels, tomorrow it's little wheels. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, and then next week it's big wheels again, and then it's the medium wheels. | ||
| You know, just a way to keep pulling that money up out of our pockets so that we don't... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Take that money and that power and put it to where it could really benefit the people. | ||
| Well, it's also just a distraction. | ||
| People love shiny shit, man. | ||
| If you can give them a shiny ass wheel. | ||
| Whoa, I saw a dude who had like a Chevy Caprice, like a Caprice Classic, and they were the most ridiculous wheels I've ever seen in my life. | ||
| It was like a 10-speed bike wheel. | ||
| It was just crazy. | ||
| Like, what the fuck are you doing with your car? | ||
| This isn't even a car anymore. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, I see him all the time. | ||
| It's so strange. | ||
| Like, I don't even know how he got into the car. | ||
| It was so high up there. | ||
| It was like an acrobatic event. | ||
| Just to climb into his front seat to deal with his crazy, stupid wheels. | ||
| It's weird, man. | ||
| People are strange. | ||
| Yeah, well, that's the state of America right now, man. | ||
| Have you ever understood of monster trucks? | ||
| No. | ||
| No. | ||
| Yeah, I've watched them before. | ||
| I've only been in one. | ||
| I was in Quentin Rampage Jackson's. | ||
| He has a giant monster truck. | ||
| He had a monster truck with a picture of his face on it. | ||
| But I'm from Atlanta. | ||
| You gotta remember, we're from Atlanta. | ||
| I know, but Quentin's from Memphis. | ||
| Yeah, you gotta be from the middle of the country for that. | ||
| The cool thing is the height of it. | ||
| You know, looking out over. | ||
| It's like you're in a city bus. | ||
| It's weird. | ||
| You're looking above the traffic. | ||
| It's real strange. | ||
| You see Arnold Schwarzenegger? | ||
| Oh, he drove his new car? | ||
| No. | ||
| He has some German car that's really popular with the German army, and it's like a Hummer, but taller. | ||
| I'll try to find a picture. | ||
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Oh, really? | |
| Is it electric? | ||
| No, no. | ||
| It's a gas-guzzling horrible car. | ||
| Yeah, no one's got it. | ||
| Two miles a gallon. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Well, there's real problems with electric cars, man. | ||
| You know, people want to go electric, but you realize that electric relies on lithium-ion batteries, and they get that shit from war zones. | ||
| You know, anywhere where there's lithium, people are dying. | ||
| You know, there's lithium in the Congo, there's lithium, there's pockets of lithium that were recently found in Afghanistan. | ||
| Oh, yeah? | ||
| Yeah, lithium is a scarce element. | ||
| And when they find it, man, they try to lock down that area and control it. | ||
| So it's like, you're not really going to get a conflict-free car that runs on electricity, because that shit runs on a lot of lithium. | ||
| So they've got to pull that out of a mountain somewhere in Afghanistan. | ||
| That sounds like Avatar. | ||
| It is! | ||
| You're right! | ||
| It's Avatar. | ||
| Look at this motherfucker. | ||
| Oh, wow. | ||
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Look at that stupid car, Arnold. | |
| You silly bitch. | ||
| He's just ready. | ||
| He's ready for the end. | ||
| The end is coming. | ||
| Looks like he's been pumping up, doesn't he? | ||
| He's getting back in shape. | ||
| That's a Mercedes. | ||
| Is that a monkey in the back? | ||
| Look at the cigar. | ||
| Oh, that's a dog, son. | ||
| Look at the cigar. | ||
| I'm going to the maid's house. | ||
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I think that I had a crazy dream about him. | |
| Yeah, he doesn't give a fuck. | ||
| I had a crazy dream about him after his whole case. | ||
| And I talked about it on the podcast. | ||
| It was real weird, man. | ||
| He was in my family's yard. | ||
| They had a yard that was right up next to a lake. | ||
| It was like a lake or an ocean. | ||
| Anyway, they were swimming. | ||
| And Arnold was running around swimming with his balls and cock hanging out. | ||
| And he was really confident. | ||
| He was really confident, just strolling around. | ||
| No big deal. | ||
| My cock is hanging out. | ||
| He was just so casual about his dick hanging out. | ||
| I remember thinking, you've got to keep women away from that guy. | ||
| He's just trying to fuck. | ||
| And this was my crazy dream, of course. | ||
| But it was just such a strange dream to see some old, in-shape guy with his dick hanging out, just swimming around near people. | ||
|
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Yes. | |
| It was a strange fucking dream. | ||
| Well, you know, some people feel like they're more privileged than others. | ||
| You know, we can do whatever we want to do because we got all the guns. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Do you think that's his attitude? | ||
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Oh, absolutely. | |
| That he just feels privileged? | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| It's a Hollywood star with a lot of guns. | ||
| I'm going to fuck the maid! | ||
| And everybody else that gets in my way. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Just shoot loads into her. | ||
| Didn't give a fuck. | ||
|
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Did you see The Expendables 2? | |
| Did you? | ||
| No, I didn't see it. | ||
| Did you? | ||
|
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No. | |
| I saw the first one. | ||
| Was it any good? | ||
| It was okay. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The first one was fun. | ||
| It's like a good episode of Dukes of Hazzard. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| But the same characters, like today. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| They're just 50 in the car. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| We're going to make a comeback. | ||
| We're coming back. | ||
| But you know what that's about is something that you said earlier. | ||
| You said that we should invest in kids, but America's an old country. | ||
| Most of you are like 58. When you watch TV, everything that's on is for them. | ||
| What is the numbers of people? | ||
| I don't think that's right. | ||
| I wonder what the average age of people is in America. | ||
| America used to be in the 70s. | ||
| It was like a young country because the baby boomers are getting old. | ||
| So now America is like an old country. | ||
| So when you sit and watch television, that's why it's all for old people. | ||
| So what is the average person? | ||
| How old is the average? | ||
| I think it's like 50 something. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Holy shit. | ||
| Maybe late 40s. | ||
| But it's definitely not in the 30s. | ||
| Alright, Brian, take a guess before I hit enter. | ||
| 35. 35? | ||
| I think I'm with you. | ||
| I'm saying in late 30s. | ||
| That's what I say. | ||
| Because I know there's a lot of people fucking these days. | ||
|
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Let's see. | |
| Median age was 28 in 2012. So, not quite. | ||
| Joe, I saw that. | ||
| Did you see that advertisement? | ||
|
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Somebody found an old commercial of you in it on Comedy Central. | |
| Oh, I did see that. | ||
| It was like in the middle of some... | ||
| A field. | ||
| Yeah, of a field and you're talking to cows. | ||
| I was 22 years old there. | ||
| That was so weird. | ||
| Yeah, it was terrible. | ||
| It was so awful, too. | ||
| Yeah, it seems like that's what it is. | ||
| 28? | ||
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Yeah, it seems like it's 28. Well, that's in the middle. | |
| Not young, but not old either. | ||
| Well, this one, though, says United States median age is 36.9. | ||
| It says the average is 36.9 because for men it's 35 years, for women it's 38 years. | ||
| So that would say that you were about right. | ||
| Yeah, we were about right, 35, 36. Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Either way, that's probably older than people were back in the 70s, right? | ||
| In the 70s, we were a young country because all those baby boomers were just... | ||
| That's why everybody went crazy, was doing drugs, listening to Jimi Hendrix and fucking all that shit, you know? | ||
| Happy times. | ||
| Yeah, happy times, right? | ||
| Growth. | ||
| Growth. | ||
| But what a crazy little burst of energy that time was, and then to have it all pulled back. | ||
| You know, it's like for a one ten-year period from between 1950 and 1960, the world changed in a crazy way. | ||
| I mean, it really changed like a motherfucker. | ||
| And then 10 years later, everything became illegal. | ||
| And then they put the lockdown and everything. | ||
| In 1970, they passed all those drugs. | ||
| The drug war. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's when they said, no more acid, no more anything else. | ||
| Stop it. | ||
| People were taking all kinds of crazy shit that was legal at the time. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Somebody said they used to even put Coke in cocaine. | ||
| Oh, yeah, Coca-Cola. | ||
| They put Coke in Coca-Cola. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Have you ever had the real Coke? | ||
| I had the Mexican Coke, which is... | ||
| Because Mexican Coke is different. | ||
| It's cane sugar instead of whatever sugar we use. | ||
| Mexican Coke is better. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Isn't that fucked up? | ||
| But they don't have... | ||
| I haven't seen Mexican Diet Coke. | ||
| But they have cane sugar instead of corn syrup, which is way better for you. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Isn't that ridiculous? | ||
| That shit they put in sodas is the worst. | ||
| And I haven't drunk a soda in about 25 years. | ||
|
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Really? | |
| Yeah, I totally cut them out. | ||
| Smart. | ||
| They're so delicious, though. | ||
| Check it, Coke. | ||
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It's sharp. | |
| Yeah, man, when you have a nice sandwich, you want a Coke to go with that shit. | ||
| It tastes good. | ||
| Yeah, burgers. | ||
| Burger and Coke. | ||
| Yeah, it sucks. | ||
| I eat these kale shakes, man. | ||
| And it's not my favorite thing to eat. | ||
| They don't taste good. | ||
| They're this big fucking blended shake that I make where I stuff kale in it and celery and ginger and garlic and pineapple. | ||
| But when I drink them, I feel way better. | ||
| But I'm like, why can't something like that draw me to it? | ||
| Because every time I go to it, it's like work. | ||
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I was like, I can't believe I'm drinking this fucking disgusting shit. | |
| And I'm like, all right, it's going to be delicious. | ||
| I'll start talking myself into it. | ||
| And then I'll pour like a lot of coconut oil on it and a lot of pineapple in it. | ||
| So it tastes a little bit better. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But it really doesn't taste that good. | ||
| If I had to choose between that and a soda, I would want that soda. | ||
| Soda's delicious. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| Soda's like pain free. | ||
| It's like, oh, give me some love. | ||
| But then you won't be looking as young as you do. | ||
| No, I won't be feeling as good either. | ||
| Or as healthy as you are right now. | ||
| And health is so important. | ||
| I try to tell this motherfucker, tell him to stop smoking. | ||
| I keep telling him. | ||
| He's getting older and he smokes and he doesn't take care of his body. | ||
| And I'm like, dude, I don't want to be over your bed while you got some cancer type shit. | ||
| That's what happened with the rapper. | ||
| He had to eat better. | ||
| You heard about that? | ||
| Another rap? | ||
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What's that? | |
| No, with the rapper, he had to eat better. | ||
| He had seizures, and then he had to change his diet. | ||
| That's in the Rolling Stone article, too. | ||
| Oh, Rick Ross had seizures, so he had to change his diet. | ||
| Yeah, so he had to change his diet. | ||
| That's why he has a song called Dice Pineapples. | ||
| Yeah, he's had two heart attacks, right? | ||
| And he's made two songs about his heart attacks. | ||
| That dude is just lying and slinging dick, I'll tell you. | ||
| It's the wall. | ||
| When you had a bunch of heart attacks and you're that fat with your shirt off. | ||
| He probably wasn't getting laid after he started rapping. | ||
| It's probably his balls don't know what is going on. | ||
| They're like, why are we shooting so many loads? | ||
| How the fuck did this guy get so successful with his dick? | ||
| It's like, for 35 years, nothing. | ||
| All of a sudden, every day, it's like, we need more loads! | ||
| More loads? | ||
| Can you imagine if you were in the load factory in his body, and then all of a sudden, production went up by 5,000% in his 30s? | ||
| What the fuck is going on, man? | ||
| What do we do with all this sperm? | ||
| It's just him eating sandwiches, getting his dick sucked. | ||
| You're fucking nuts. | ||
| Counting your money. | ||
| Trying to figure out how much he can give you and still live like this. | ||
| He's probably thinking about it right now. | ||
| None. | ||
| In his mind, he's saying none. | ||
| I'm not going to give him a dime. | ||
| Well, if he has to change his name to Rosé, at least he's set the stage for that. | ||
| You know? | ||
| Right? | ||
| I mean, he kind of has, right? | ||
| You said he's sort of using another name. | ||
| No, he's using Rick Ross. | ||
| He's still using that constantly. | ||
| Look at the cover of the Rolling Stones. | ||
| Yeah, maybe they did that, too. | ||
| I mean, maybe this is what we're marketing. | ||
| So before we totally lose, let's keep that going on. | ||
| Maybe they just figure that's the best way. | ||
| Do you think they've got to know that they're going to lose? | ||
| Right? | ||
| I hope so. | ||
| I bet the lawyers are listening to this shit right now. | ||
| Nah. | ||
| I bet they are. | ||
| Never know. | ||
| If they're good, right? | ||
| Wouldn't you be listening to this? | ||
| You're on top of everything. | ||
| We don't know if they're good. | ||
| I mean, a good lawyer would, you know, I mean, just for me, you know, businessman, and I say, okay, well, we just spent a hundred grand. | ||
| We know we're going to have to spend at least another million. | ||
| Hey, you want to go and sit down and talk to this guy and try to work this thing out? | ||
| Right. | ||
| But no, his lawyers are like, oh, no, keep sending those checks and pay 1.3 million out of selling, they say 200,000 records, but... | ||
| I think it's probably more like $25,000. | ||
| What, he actually sells? | ||
| No, he's talking about opening week. | ||
| Opening week. | ||
| You think they lie about that shit? | ||
| They buy the records themselves. | ||
| They do? | ||
| We don't know if they bought them in his case, but they do buy records. | ||
| Really? | ||
| What companies do that? | ||
| All of them. | ||
| They do that just to jack up the sales? | ||
| To make it look bigger than this? | ||
| To make it look like the guy is hot when he may be not. | ||
| Really? | ||
| That is interesting. | ||
| Make him go gold. | ||
| Really? | ||
| How many do you have to sell before you go gold? | ||
| 500,000. | ||
| And platinum's a million? | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| I didn't know they could just go buy them like that. | ||
| It makes sense, though. | ||
| It's kind of... | ||
| Unethical or illegal to do that, but they all practice that method. | ||
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Really? | |
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, it kind of makes sense. | ||
| Look, if you wanted to think about it that way, you could brag about the guy selling so much, people will try shit they hear is real popular. | ||
| And then you start to get advertisement. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| BET will pick you up and they start to play your videos and MTV and, oh, he sold 500,000, so now you're hot. | ||
| It's a weird business, that music business, man. | ||
| It seems like a strange, strange place to maneuver. | ||
| Joe, can I ask you a question? | ||
| Sure, please. | ||
| If my name was William Roberts and I rapped about being a correctional officer, would you buy my CD? Yeah, if you were good. | ||
| Yeah, man. | ||
| Yeah, man. | ||
| You could have any fucking job, and I don't care what you do. | ||
| You could be a comedian. | ||
| You could be a rapper. | ||
| You could be an author. | ||
| If you're good. | ||
| It's not like the title of what the guy does. | ||
| It's like, who is he? | ||
| There's a lot of people that are working in Baskin-Robbins scooping ice cream, but they're interesting motherfuckers. | ||
| If you sat down and talked to them for a long period of time, they might be able to actually write a book that's pretty fucking badass that you would want to read. | ||
| He might be able to rap about ice cream and be like, I never thought a motherfucker could rap about ice cream and I would think it was fun. | ||
| It all depends on the individual and the context of what they're saying. | ||
| So that guy for sure could have pulled off talking about being a corrections officer. | ||
| He just had to be a bad motherfucker to do it. | ||
| See, I don't know. | ||
| I just think rap is so anti-authoritarian. | ||
| It's true. | ||
| You know, and especially like how he's trying to rap. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I'm a correction officer. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, that's true. | ||
| Don't know if it works. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| I lock up drug dealers. | ||
| And tackle people down. | ||
| I'm on the goon squad. | ||
| We're going to take him down. | ||
| He would have to be unbelievably good. | ||
| I made him bend over and spread his cheeks. | ||
| He would have to be Eminem times a million. | ||
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Yeah, I checked up on his nutsack. | |
| He would have to be a million times better than Jay-Z. But it's not impossible. | ||
| It's just he would have to be so good to overcome that hate. | ||
| It would be almost impossible. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| You know what I'm saying? | ||
| I really think that anything is possible. | ||
| Can you do it? | ||
| Can I do it? | ||
| Probably not. | ||
| But is it possible that someone could be so good at rapping that they could pull off being a bad motherfucker even though they used to be a corrections officer? | ||
| And it's probably going to happen one day. | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| It's possible. | ||
| You'd have to be so untouchably dope. | ||
| It'll be in your dream with Arnold Schwarzenegger. | ||
| Yeah, it would be. | ||
| He just walked past. | ||
| William Roberts just passed by. | ||
| If Nas was a corrections officer, Nas's lyrics are so goddamn good. | ||
| You've got to just respect it. | ||
| You can't deny it. | ||
| I've never heard anybody say that Nas sucks. | ||
| Because his lyrics are so good. | ||
| That one where he plays the whole song backwards, like the events, like he reads them backwards. | ||
| Like, come on, man. | ||
| Who the fuck can do that? | ||
| Who else can do that? | ||
| Even if he was a corrections officer, he would have to go, God damn, that was pretty fucking badass. | ||
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You know what I mean? | |
| So he would have to be that good. | ||
| But he's not! | ||
| He's not that good. | ||
| He's not that good at all, which is really interesting. | ||
| That every day I'm hustling, that's got like a catchy beat to it. | ||
| That was pretty good. | ||
| You know that came from Dark Alliance. | ||
| Because that's what you said. | ||
| Yeah, that's one of the things that you said, right? | ||
| Yep, yep, yep. | ||
| I mean... | ||
| That's so weird. | ||
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You're in a club and you hear, every day I'm hustling, every day I'm hustling. | |
| And you must be in a club going, what the fuck is going on in this life? | ||
| You know what was funny to me about? | ||
| A month and a half ago, I was in Charlotte, North Carolina. | ||
| And so this kid, he did a rap. | ||
| Against the rapper, you know, only support the real, middle finger to the fake. | ||
| Whoa. | ||
| And so the rapper, and they all sitting in VIP, and they play the rapper on the radio. | ||
| Oh, no! | ||
| And they're sitting together? | ||
| And the guy calls me, he calls me, he's like, yeah, I'm sitting right next to that dude right now, and they just played the song on the radio. | ||
| And did he know that it was him that played that song? | ||
| Yeah, he knew. | ||
| Oh, that's hilarious. | ||
| And he had just talked to the kid before the song came on, and, you know, was telling him how he was. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| It's a terrible place to be, man. | ||
| To be full of shit is a terrible thing. | ||
| I mean, in that way... | ||
| But if you look at the stomach, I mean, he's been there for a while. | ||
| You just don't get there overnight. | ||
| Yeah, that's true. | ||
| Yeah, he's a slob. | ||
| It's amazing. | ||
| That's a fascinating story. | ||
| You're admirable in how you are depicting it. | ||
| You're not vindictive. | ||
| You're not angry. | ||
| I barely feel like your heart goes up a beat when you bring it up. | ||
| You just bring it up very factually. | ||
| I just want what's mine. | ||
| But I mean, you're not freaking out about it. | ||
| You're just persistent. | ||
| No, I'm not. | ||
| But I'm not going to rest until I get it straight. | ||
| Right. | ||
| He don't understand the type of person that I am. | ||
| When I had my life sentence in prison, one of the things that I committed myself to was getting out of prison. | ||
| And now, one of the things that I'm committed to right now is to get my name back. | ||
| To stop him from using my name. | ||
| And I want my name back with interest. | ||
| Give me my interest with my name. | ||
| How much would you take to shut up? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I shouldn't even say shut up. | ||
| That's disrespectful. | ||
| How much would you take to drop it? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I really... | ||
| I really couldn't say right now. | ||
| We'd have to sit down and crunch the numbers because I've got attorneys that I've got to pay too. | ||
| These guys have been helping me out out of kindness or their heart. | ||
| It's put a strain on me fighting this case because I don't make much money. | ||
| I get a few dollars. | ||
| The work that I'm doing right now, when I go out to a high school and speak, they don't pay me for that. | ||
| I take books. | ||
| We need a Rick Ross podcast and a Rick Ross t-shirt. | ||
| Let's do it. | ||
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Let's do it. | |
| Just start selling them on the podcast. | ||
| We'll do that. | ||
| Just that alone, man. | ||
| I'm telling you. | ||
| Everywhere I go, I see these machine t-shirts from Bert Kreischer. | ||
| Bert Kreischer is a comedian friend of ours. | ||
| He told a story on the podcast about getting drunk in Russia. | ||
| And he was saying the wrong. | ||
| He was saying, I'm a machine. | ||
| I'm the machine. | ||
| That's what he's telling all these Russian people. | ||
| He didn't know what the fuck he was saying. | ||
| And he's hammered. | ||
| So it became a hilarious story that now he sold these shirts that say The Machine on the bottom of them. | ||
| These fucking shirts are everywhere. | ||
| I've seen them in other countries. | ||
| He does it so smart, too, because I got to see him in Dayton. | ||
| He'll do the whole Machine story, and it's like a new version of it where he's tightened it up and made, like, you know, just even... | ||
| Put it to the next level and then when he's done, he's like and I have machine shirts up front and then like everybody after hearing that amazing stories like hello, bye, bye. | ||
| Yeah, you can't go wrong. | ||
| I bet he gets rid of thousands of those fucking things. | ||
| And where I go, I see those Desquad shirts. | ||
| I see Desquad shirts at every one of our shows. | ||
| I see Desquad shirts at UFC's. | ||
| I see them constantly. | ||
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Did you see it last night on TV? It was on America's Got Talent. | |
| One of the bands was wearing a Desquad shirt. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Pull that up. | ||
| Pull that up. | ||
| See, that's what I'm talking about. | ||
| We need a Rick Ross t-shirt. | ||
| We need a Rick Ross podcast, a Rick Ross t-shirt. | ||
| Just that alone, man. | ||
| You need to get that started yesterday. | ||
| For real. | ||
| Because you can talk, man. | ||
| You're an interesting dude. | ||
| And I see what you're doing on your... | ||
| Oh, that's hilarious. | ||
| Hitler Cat on NBC. That is hilarious. | ||
| And I saw what you're doing on your website as well. | ||
| Your website has a lot of news. | ||
| And a lot of news about shit that's going on in the world as well. | ||
| You put little blurbs of things that are happening on your website. | ||
| People you're involved with. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| Clients. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I want to be informative. | ||
| I want to let the people know. | ||
| Because I believe that just like you're doing... | ||
| There's so much bullshit out here that I want to cut through the bullshit and help the people get something that can help them, you know. | ||
| But I think the most important thing is for us to get our country back on track. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, I love the way America used to be, you know. | ||
| And right now I'm not happy with the way it's going. | ||
| I'm not happy with fake it till you make it, you know. | ||
| Just be around the people with money or whatever. | ||
| Right now, these people would rather hang out with somebody that has money than to go out and try to make some money for themselves. | ||
| So, we gotta change that. | ||
| You know, we gotta change it to where you are a star. | ||
| Everybody's a star. | ||
| And everybody should be treated like one. | ||
| I don't think that, you know, this guy's a bigger person than you because he has money in the bank or I'm smaller than you because I don't have any money. | ||
| I think we're all created equal. | ||
| We all have talents and that we just have to explore everybody and give everybody an equal opportunity. | ||
| That's a beautiful idea on paper. | ||
| My problem with the way this world is screwed up is that it seems like the debt is so considerable, it's almost like the whole thing doesn't make sense anymore. | ||
| I don't understand finances that much, but when you start talking the trillions of dollars of debt, and we talk about what the interest rate is, and you talk about how much people will be paying off, and where is Social Security coming from, when you start looking at those numbers, it's almost like this just seems broken. | ||
| It is broken. | ||
| But the only way it's going to get fixed is we fix it. | ||
| If we don't, it's going to get worse. | ||
| Yeah, but that's what I'm worried about. | ||
| I'm worried about does it have to fail before it can be reinvented in a more productive manner? | ||
| Is that like the destiny of this culture? | ||
| It has already failed. | ||
| It seems like it has. | ||
| I mean, if it hasn't, if they don't consider it failed right now, we have over 2.3 million people in prison right now. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| We're the biggest incarcerators in the world. | ||
| If that's not a sign that you're failing, Then what is? | ||
| Well, what's insane is how many of them are in there because they didn't sell a sanctioned drug. | ||
| They locked this person in. | ||
| It's not like it's not drugs for sale. | ||
| It's not like you can't go to CVS and get fucked up anytime you want, especially if you have a prescription. | ||
| But even if you don't have a prescription, you can walk into CVS and just drink till you're dead. | ||
| No problem whatsoever. | ||
| But if someone's selling some unsanctioned substances, and there's a demand and a supply, and these dudes selling Oxycontins, these fucking guys living behind velvet gates, no one's coming after them. | ||
| They're just collecting. | ||
| They're just watching zeros. | ||
| They're just sitting in front of the computer, logged on to their account, watching cling, cling, cling. | ||
| It's like a lottery bell going off. | ||
| And now here they're giving kids prescriptions because the kid is moving around fast. | ||
| They got some drug that they're giving them into. | ||
| Sure, Ritalin. | ||
| Ritalin is famous to give kids that are hyperactive. | ||
| But they're doing Prozac on young kids. | ||
| You know, there's my next door neighbor. | ||
| They were terrible parents. | ||
| Terrible parents. | ||
| Their fucking kids were always screaming at each other. | ||
| And they didn't know how to handle it. | ||
| And they would scream at each other. | ||
| And there was a... | ||
| Lot of nonsense going on. | ||
| The kids just were fucking haywire. | ||
| They were haywire. | ||
| And then they started drugging them. | ||
| It was crazy, man. | ||
| It was crazy to watch. | ||
| It was like all of a sudden the kids would just be like looking at you. | ||
| I would leave the house and they would be bouncing off the wall. | ||
| You'd try to pull out of the driveway. | ||
| Excuse me. | ||
| They're fucking in the street jumping off the car. | ||
| You know, but that was normal at least. | ||
| That was like what crazy kids do. | ||
| That's what kids do. | ||
| Then you pull your car out there and you see zombie kids. | ||
| Same kids just standing there. | ||
| Shuffling. | ||
| We used to call it in jail when there were certain guys that they would put on drugs when we were in jail, and they would just be standing there going back and forth with their feet. | ||
| And we would call it the Thorazine Shuffle. | ||
| So it's awful when they do that to young kids, you know, because that stuff really mess you up. | ||
| It's scary. | ||
| It's scary how many parents just want to calm the little fuckers down. | ||
| They just can't take it anymore. | ||
| If you've never had a kid, you don't know. | ||
| You don't know how frayed people get. | ||
| They just get to the point where they can't take it. | ||
| They can't take it. | ||
| Drag him up! | ||
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Drag him! | |
| Prepare him to go to prison. | ||
| That's what they do. | ||
| Sad. | ||
| Put him on Thorazine, and then when he's old enough to say he don't want it anymore, then we'll just put him in prison. | ||
| Yeah, it is pretty fucking pathetic. | ||
| How many dudes when you were in jail were on different medications? | ||
| Oh man, their lives be huge. | ||
| And can you get them? | ||
| Like if you say, I'm depressed? | ||
| Oh yeah, you can just go into the doctor and give them a story. | ||
| You hear noises. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And then what kind of shit did they give you? | ||
| Thorazine or the one that you just said. | ||
| Ritalin or Prozac. | ||
| And when they take those, then all of a sudden they just zone out. | ||
| Oh, they zone out, yeah. | ||
| You would see them standing in a spot and they just go back and forth, raising one foot up after another one. | ||
| Whoa. | ||
| In jail it's called a Thorazine shuffle, but all those drugs kind of give them the same type of effect. | ||
| Do any guys in jail ever get pain medication? | ||
| Oh yeah, you can get pain medication if you hurt your back. | ||
| Really? | ||
| What kind of shit? | ||
| What can you get? | ||
| Hopefully they don't give you Viagra in jail. | ||
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If it's something strong... | |
| Do they give you Viagra in jail? | ||
| No, I don't think so. | ||
| You gotta get that in. | ||
| Imagine if you take Viagra that a dude snuck in his ass. | ||
| It just seems like a bad path. | ||
| When I was in jail, everyone was talking about hooch. | ||
| You know what hooch is? | ||
| Yeah, they make hooch all the time. | ||
| Yeah, and I don't know. | ||
| I never tried it. | ||
| Is it like homemade alcohol? | ||
| Is that what it is? | ||
| Yeah, it's homemade alcohol. | ||
| So what do you have to have wrong with you to get pain pills? | ||
| Like what kind of pain pills they give out? | ||
| Oh, you can go in there and hurt your back, you know? | ||
| So if you pull the muscle... | ||
| Yeah, pull the muscle, get hurt on the football field... | ||
| They'll hook you up with some OxyContin? | ||
| I don't know if they give you Oxycontin. | ||
| Now they do have medicine that they give you and you have to go up and you go to the doctor and they put it in a cup and right then you have to throw it in your mouth, drink some water and then open your mouth up so the doctor can look inside and make sure that you took the pill. | ||
| Now those pills are like really, really prescription medicine. | ||
| But then they would give you like a ibuprofen, you know, you can just bring those back to your cell. | ||
| Yeah, stuff that doesn't get you high is fine. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But the ones that get you high, how long do they give them to you for? | ||
| I mean, there's guys that get them for as long as they're in there. | ||
| Whoa! | ||
| But you have to keep going up to the window every day. | ||
| You know, some guys go three times a day to get the medicine. | ||
| But what they'll do is some guys, instead of taking it, they'll put it under their tongue and get back in the unit and sell it. | ||
| That must be a skill you develop, how to tuck it and hide it. | ||
| If you do it for a couple years, you perfect it. | ||
| Is there anything that people would be surprised that you could get in jail? | ||
| You can get cell phones. | ||
| You can get anything in jail that you got on the street, if you got money. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah, pretty much anything. | ||
| Cocaine, heroin. | ||
| Oxycontin, crystal meth, everything is inside the jailhouse. | ||
| I would have been, like, PlayStation and, like, you know, something to make it easier just wasting my time in jail. | ||
| Can we get a steak? | ||
| Just a steak, a hot steak. | ||
| Well, you know, the jails now give you Playstations. | ||
| Are you serious? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Oh, that's not bad. | ||
| Yeah, they have it in a library. | ||
| Yeah, but if you lose, you have to suck someone's dick. | ||
| It's all the old games, too. | ||
| It's the ancient Pong. | ||
| You get Pong. | ||
| Yeah, Madden 07. One controller, too. | ||
| You guys got to share. | ||
| So, could you get a steak? | ||
| He was asking. | ||
| Can you get a fat steak? | ||
| Yeah, you can get a steak easy. | ||
| Really? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Because they have steaks for the guards. | ||
| No, the funniest thing ever is what he responds about. | ||
| Like, I heard about Rick Ross, so I get on the phone. | ||
| It's like, how do you get on the phone? | ||
| When he goes on, you're in jail. | ||
| So he said it like it just happened instantaneously. | ||
| Like, he just jumped on the phone. | ||
| That's funny. | ||
| Yeah, you can get pretty much anything in there. | ||
| They got guys in the kitchen that will cook your meal just the way you want it every day. | ||
| Really? | ||
| But you gotta have money. | ||
| Right. | ||
| How much does it take to get a steak? | ||
| Uh, probably like $5. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Wow! | ||
| That's nice. | ||
| But it's hard to get money in jail? | ||
| Or can you, you gotta bring in money? | ||
| No, no. | ||
| If you got money on the streets. | ||
| Say for instance if your people got money on the streets. | ||
| They can donate to you? | ||
| No, they just send it to your books, or say for instance, the guy in the kitchen who cooks, he knows you, so he gives you credit, and then you can just tell your people, hey, this is the guy's name, this is his booking number, send him $300. | ||
| And that'll cover you for the whole month. | ||
| Or two months, or three months. | ||
| So whenever you come in the kitchen, he just automatically brings you a tray. | ||
| Does anybody have it like this? | ||
| They call it contracts. | ||
| Contracts. | ||
| Does anybody have it like that scene in Goodfellas where they're in there cooking, they got a razor blade, and they're chopping up the garlic, and they're frying steak? | ||
| Does anybody have it set up like they have a cell that's pretty badass? | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| Well, you know what? | ||
| Wait a minute. | ||
| They do fix their cells up. | ||
| Yeah? | ||
| But not with outside stuff. | ||
| They might have... | ||
| An outside radio with outside speakers, stuff like that there. | ||
| Maybe a blanket that comes from the outside. | ||
| But you can't have a bed that comes from the outside. | ||
| In Goodfellas, they had a whole apartment in jail. | ||
| They were walking around with slacks on and shit. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| You can't have that in the feds. | ||
| They're going to make sure everybody has the same bed. | ||
| Some guys have special mattresses. | ||
| Special mattresses? | ||
| Yeah, you can get a special mattress. | ||
| Tell them about the last day before you left when all your guys come in and sleep in your cell. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Yeah, they stayed. | ||
| My last night that I left, I left at like 4 in the morning. | ||
| So about seven or eight guys, you know, that I studied with and like my best friends at the institution, you know. | ||
| We just hung out all night, you know, ate chips and talked and talked about what I was going to do when I got out. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| And, you know, just a going away party. | ||
| That sounds like you were a loved guy in there, man. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Yeah, I had a lot of love in prison. | ||
| You know, it's crazy because even in prison, when I play basketball or something like that or football and people want to foul me hard, you know, the guys be like, man, you can't do that to Rick. | ||
| I mean, even right now, you know, there's guys on the street that want to hurt this dude. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| They come up to me all the time in L.A. and like, man... | ||
| When I'm going to see him, I'm going to punch him in the face like Snooki got punched in the face. | ||
| You're going to Snooki him. | ||
| Yeah, I went by a gym a couple weeks ago and this guy came up to me and he's like, big homie, when I see him, it's on on site. | ||
| I was like, huh? | ||
| I was like, nah, man. | ||
| So I just get a lot of love, you know, because, you know, the people know my heart. | ||
| They knew that... | ||
| Even though I did something that was wrong, it was out of ignorance and not on purpose that I did what I did. | ||
| Well, your story is very fascinating. | ||
| And for the people that didn't hear the first time you were on the podcast, you were a really good tennis player. | ||
| And you essentially... | ||
| I bet you are. | ||
| You look good. | ||
| You're in great shape. | ||
| But you essentially had nowhere to go outside of high school because you couldn't read. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Couldn't read or couldn't go to college. | ||
| You couldn't... | ||
| Stuck. | ||
| Crazy. | ||
| I stuck myself. | ||
| I mean, and you know what me and Antonio found out is like 65% of the guys in prison can't read. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| So that would be one of the first things to do to combat prison. | ||
| Okay, let's make sure we teach all these guys how to read. | ||
| They don't teach you shit once you get in there, right? | ||
| Nah. | ||
| You had to force yourself. | ||
| You had to learn yourself. | ||
| You had to learn myself. | ||
| You know, I had a life sentence. | ||
| So I had a great reason to learn how to read. | ||
| And my lawyer was like, Well, I'm not real motivated. | ||
| You don't have much money. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| He really said that to you? | ||
| Yeah, he told me that. | ||
| He really said that to you. | ||
| I'm not real motivated. | ||
| You don't have much money. | ||
| And you know what? | ||
| He also told me something that may be the best thing that he ever did for me in my whole life. | ||
| And he told me these words here. | ||
| He said, anytime somebody else wants for you something more than you want it for yourself, then you're in trouble. | ||
| So what I took from that is that he was telling me that if I was dependent on him to get me out of prison, then I was in trouble. | ||
| So I took matters into my own hands. | ||
| Only one percent of people ever give back a federal life sentence. | ||
| And for six years he had one. | ||
| That's amazing. | ||
| It's an amazing story, too. | ||
| It's amazing how the whole thing transpired. | ||
| And the fact that you didn't know how to read when you first started on your journey to try to figure out what was wrong with your case, that's incredible because, I mean, you literally, from the ground up, had to do it. | ||
| I did, from the ground up. | ||
| I know that just about anybody can do it. | ||
| What was it like before you could read? | ||
| When you were 28 years old and you would see some shit written somewhere, what would it look like to you? | ||
| You got to remember he was rich too. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| So he has to read a lot of things as a rich person. | ||
| Yeah, right. | ||
| Well, you know, a lot of times I faked it if it was somebody around. | ||
| I faked, you know, that I could read. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And I would look at it as if I had read it and then would pass it on to them. | ||
| Like, say, for contracts when I would go buy a house. | ||
| Well, I would look at the contract for a little while and try to figure out in my mind how long it would take a person to read the contract. | ||
| That's hilarious. | ||
| And then I would hand it to whoever was with me and tell them to read it and then ask them, well, what do you think about this contract? | ||
| And then they would give me their opinion. | ||
| Well, I think this and I think that. | ||
| And then I would come up with my own decision from there. | ||
| So when you were looking at the pieces of paper, what were you thinking? | ||
| Just 1,001, 1,002, I wish I could read. | ||
| I wish I could read. | ||
| 1,004, I wish I could read. | ||
| I should have studied. | ||
| That's such a weird... | ||
| Why couldn't I learn how to read? | ||
| You know, what was wrong with me when I was going to school? | ||
| Did anybody around you know that you didn't know how to read? | ||
| I don't know, because I hid it. | ||
| And, you know, when you got money, what you find out is you get a lot of people around you that just... | ||
| Right. | ||
| And tell you what you want to hear and they don't question. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And they can handle things for you too. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So you just relied on that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| What did it look like when you looked at, like, if you looked at the cover of this Rolling Stone and you saw all these letters? | ||
| I can't remember now because I can do it. | ||
| I don't know if I would have looked at a Rolling Stone. | ||
| Really? | ||
| I don't know if I would have, you know, I mean, when you can't read, you know, why are you going to be looking? | ||
| I don't think I ever tried to read a magazine until I got to prison. | ||
| Did you, like, when you see it, do you remember that if you recognized the letters? | ||
| I don't know if anybody in my family had a magazine when I was growing up. | ||
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Wow! | |
| A magazine wasn't something that would... | ||
| I mean, who in my house would have bought a magazine? | ||
| My mother wouldn't have. | ||
| My brothers, you know... | ||
| Is there any books? | ||
| I don't think so. | ||
| What kind of books would have been in our house? | ||
| My brother was in the same position. | ||
| My oldest brother can't read. | ||
| Even right now he has problem reading. | ||
| My younger brothers could read, but I mean... | ||
| What was they going to read? | ||
| You know, they're going to follow in my footsteps and in my older brother's footsteps. | ||
| So I don't think that we had books in our house. | ||
| And we got to remember, this is like fresh off of Jim Crow. | ||
| This is five years off of Jim Crow. | ||
| I think even though we say Jim Crow ended in 65, 66, it probably didn't set in until, you know, the late 70s. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Yeah, it's kind of crazy when you wrap your head around people saying that people need to pull themselves up by their bootstraps. | ||
| I don't think a lot of people understand how bad it is in some areas. | ||
| And they can't even wrap their head around what it is like to grow up where no one else can read. | ||
| Yeah, it is. | ||
| Or no one else tells you that you should read. | ||
| In our neighborhood, the guys are telling you, you're crazy for reading. | ||
| You're crazy for reading. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| They're going to tell you, man, get you a snatch bar. | ||
| You know, go get you a hoe. | ||
| A snatch bar? | ||
| That's what they call it? | ||
| Yeah, a snatch bar is a piece of equipment that they use to steal cars. | ||
| Oh, oh, oh. | ||
| He snatched the mission out with it. | ||
| I thought that was a girl you were talking about. | ||
| No, the hoe was the girl. | ||
| He said, go get you a hoe. | ||
| The hoe was the girl. | ||
| Did you know what he was talking about? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Snatch bar? | ||
| Brian's totally gangster. | ||
| The hoe was the girl. | ||
| Because we stayed on Figueroa. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Man, get you a hoe. | ||
| Put the book down. | ||
| You're being silly. | ||
| Yeah, and you're not going to make it. | ||
| Get you a sack. | ||
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Wow. | |
| Slang. | ||
| Get you a pistol and rob. | ||
| How many people around you when you were growing up were not doing crime? | ||
| Where I was growing up at? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| It was just constant everywhere. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Crime was accepted. | ||
| In my community, crime was accepted. | ||
| That was one of the things that they were really fascinated about me lasting so long in the drug business is that my neighbors allowed me to do it. | ||
| I mean, my neighbors could have had me arrested immediately because they knew what I was doing. | ||
| I've even had neighbors to... | ||
| One time I stashed some drugs inside a brick wall in between my mom's house and my neighbor's house and it fell through the fence into her yard. | ||
| And so she picks up, I don't know, maybe like $200,000 worth of dope. | ||
| Oh my God. | ||
| And takes it in her house. | ||
| And then she tells my mom, tell Rick to come by here and see me. | ||
| And so when I come, my mom say, uh... | ||
| Mary Joy said, come and see her. | ||
| And instantly I knew what it was. | ||
| Instantly. | ||
| So I go over there and I was like, you know, got my head down, you know, all set. | ||
| Because this lady is like my auntie. | ||
| We grew up next to her. | ||
| And then she says, I got your bag in the room. | ||
| Whenever you get ready for it, just tell me to bring it to you. | ||
| Whoa. | ||
| So, you know, when I go get the bag, then the next day I have guys that come over and do like a $5,000 paint job on their house, you know. | ||
| Go paint that house. | ||
| Nice. | ||
| That's a smart way to handle it, man. | ||
| That's the diplomatic way of keeping the community happy. | ||
| Yeah, you got to. | ||
| And that was the kind of goodwill that I got in my neighborhood. | ||
| Now, she was anti-drugs. | ||
| Because her daughter was on drugs before I started selling drugs. | ||
| Her daughter used to be on PCP and was all strung out. | ||
| But she respected what I did and she allowed me to conduct my business in her neighborhood. | ||
| Which I ran it respectfully, too. | ||
| You know, it wasn't no guns. | ||
| It wasn't no gangbangers. | ||
| Wasn't nobody going to get robbed over there. | ||
| You know, I made sure that. | ||
| You're not going to come over here doing no robbing. | ||
| How did you keep it so civil? | ||
| I mean, how did you avoid the normal pitfalls? | ||
| Well, I was willing to do whatever it took. | ||
| You know, I was the police around here. | ||
| I policed my neighborhood. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| You know, you do something around here, you know, I'm going to deal with you. | ||
| That's amazing. | ||
| Like, how much of an area did you control? | ||
| Uh, in Los Angeles at one time. | ||
| That's amazing. | ||
| I mean, you know, it was a time, man, when a certain set of the Christian Bleds would get into it and they would come and report to me. | ||
| Man, you know those guys did such and such. | ||
| And we're going to retaliate. | ||
| I'll hold up. | ||
| Let me go talk to them. | ||
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Wow. | |
| So, you know, and a lot of my guys say that I really put on the first peace treaty. | ||
| You know, because for the first time that we ever saw, man, it was Crips and Bloods selling drugs on the same streets. | ||
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Wow. | |
| I mean, you know, money will make you work together. | ||
| Is that what brought the Crips and the Bloods together? | ||
| No, not the time when Rodney King happened. | ||
| That's what brought them together? | ||
| Rodney King? | ||
| Yeah, but they had been working together before that. | ||
| They had sold drugs together. | ||
| Crips and Bloods had sold drugs together in the 80s. | ||
| Oh, I see. | ||
| And Rodney King, he recently passed away. | ||
| Something drug-related, wasn't it? | ||
| He drowned or something like that? | ||
| Drowned, yeah. | ||
| Got too high. | ||
| I don't know what it was. | ||
| Yeah, that's what I had read. | ||
| It was in the system. | ||
| He had a lot of stuff. | ||
| It's amazing that that sort of opened up people's eyes to what the fuck had happened. | ||
| You get pulled over by the police. | ||
| Like a lot of times people, they had heard stories. | ||
| Only with a camera. | ||
| Yeah, but whoever sees it. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I done experienced it. | ||
| See all these scars in my face? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's flashlight therapy, baby. | ||
| Oh, shit. | ||
| I didn't have to dog bite me up while I was handcuffed. | ||
| Oh, God! | ||
| I got the boot marks in my back, you know, where they stomp me, and I ain't been through it. | ||
| I was Rodney King like four or five years before Rodney King. | ||
| Most people who have never seen that before Rodney King had no idea that that could go on. | ||
| Unless you saw like the video from the Chicago, was it the Democratic convention in the 60s where the cops beat the fuck out of those kids? | ||
| Yeah, there was some convention in the 60s where the cops just beat the fuck out. | ||
| The fuck out of these kids with clubs and it was horrific because it was on TV and people got to see it for the first time in the news. | ||
| It was before Kent State when they shot those kids who were protesting the Vietnam War. | ||
| And it was one of the first times. | ||
| But then the Rodney King one was like a recent one. | ||
| You know, it wasn't the news doing it. | ||
| It was one of the first ones where people with a camera, because the whole camera thing was like a fairly new thing. | ||
| Where a regular person would have a video camera. | ||
| Before, you would have to be a guy who was making movies or some shit. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But it got to the point where the technology got to where the common person could have a video camera and then boom, they could catch someone doing something. | ||
| Now they got guys in South Central that got little cameras that they... | ||
| They're strapped to their chest and walk around with it. | ||
| I forgot what they call them. | ||
| They have them on all the time? | ||
| All the time. | ||
| That's the way they keep the police off of them. | ||
| Brian has glasses. | ||
| I have glasses and a pen. | ||
| It looks like a big pen, but it does HD. You can just set it down and record HD. Yeah, they have that spy shop where that's all they specialize in, like shit that you can wear, hats and stuff that film and things along those lines. | ||
| Yeah, I was with a guy the other night and he had this thing and I was like, man, what's that on your chest? | ||
| He said, oh, that's my police camera. | ||
| He said, they can't cut it off either. | ||
| Cops got busted recently slamming some girl to the ground, picked her up and slammed her twice. | ||
| You see why she got pulled over though? | ||
| No. | ||
| She got pulled over for a cell phone ticket. | ||
| That's it? | ||
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Wow. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| It was a cell phone ticket. | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| Those cell phone tickets, they're saying that it's like $120, but everyone I know that has got one, it's been like $800, $900. | ||
| Why is it that much? | ||
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Court fees or something? | |
| Yeah, there's all these extra bullshit charges to it and stuff. | ||
| What? | ||
| Damn. | ||
| Well, I guess that's why they slammed it to the ground. | ||
| It was $800. | ||
| Bitch owes money! | ||
| Pay up! | ||
| That's ridiculous. | ||
| Pay up, the enforcer. | ||
| I think cops are used to doing that. | ||
| I think they've been doing that since the beginning of time. | ||
| Have you heard of that one cop that they found in Florida that might be a serial killer? | ||
| Yeah, with the wife. | ||
| No, a different guy. | ||
| I know that guy, too. | ||
| But another guy who pulled over two separate people and said he brought him to the Circle K and dropped him out. | ||
| And then there's no video at the Circle K. The security camera does not show him or the guy there. | ||
| There's no evidence of him making calls that he allegedly makes. | ||
| And he also runs searches on these people and says that he doesn't even know who they are. | ||
| I don't even remember meeting anybody. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| He's had like three different stories. | ||
| I found the car abandoned. | ||
| He's got all these different stories. | ||
| But meanwhile, both guys are completely off the face of the earth. | ||
| They vanished. | ||
| And there's just people that he just pulled over for speeding or for whatever. | ||
| Dexter Morgan. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| One guy's like, his mom was interviewing. | ||
| She's like, he would definitely call me if he was alive. | ||
| I was like, Yes, I heard that. | ||
| That was exactly the one I heard. | ||
| Yeah, the Latino guy didn't even speak English. | ||
| They were both from Mexico, and him and his brother were separated. | ||
| The cop took his brother, said he was going to drop him off at circle. | ||
| Just kill this motherfucker. | ||
| Probably. | ||
| Who knows? | ||
| I think human beings, when they get into a position of power, they lose objectivity, and they start looking at it as an us-versus-them thing. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't know, Joe. | ||
| I think that's a pessimistic view a little bit. | ||
| Because I look at Rick and I think that one of the aspirational parts of him is that he got into power and he shared it. | ||
| It's not everyone, sure. | ||
| But I think, for the most part, that is how people behave. | ||
| I mean, that's how cops behave. | ||
| It's not every cop that behaves like that, obviously. | ||
| I know a lot of good cops, especially from jujitsu, from martial arts. | ||
| I'm always around cops. | ||
| And I know a lot of them that are really cool. | ||
| But I know a lot of cops that are cunts. | ||
| And it just is what it is. | ||
| And I think the ones like this serial killer guy and the ones like the guy who slams those people on the ground, I mean, those guys exist. | ||
| And they have absolute power. | ||
| How about the fucking kid who was handcuffed and shot himself in the back of the head? | ||
| In the backseat of a police car. | ||
| Handcuffed. | ||
| They didn't find a gun on him, but he had a gun. | ||
| So he pulls out the gun and shoots himself in the head. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Like, what? | ||
| And I think it was for like a DUI or something crazy, right? | ||
| It wasn't even like anything that serious. | ||
| It wasn't like he was going to go to jail for the rest of his life. | ||
| Not that a DUI isn't serious, but I don't know if it's serious enough to kill yourself. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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I should actually say what the fuck that is. | |
| I should Google that. | ||
| I saw Louis C.K. last night at the improv. | ||
| Man, that guy is rolling around like a rock star now. | ||
| He sold out two shows at the thing and then went to the Comedy Store and sold out the main room in 20 minutes. | ||
| Yeah, and he had a midnight show, and I think he sold the tickets in cash at the door. | ||
| Cash only. | ||
| That's hilarious. | ||
| Wow, man. | ||
| All new material. | ||
| How was it? | ||
| I wasn't even allowed in the room. | ||
| That's how crazy packed it was. | ||
| I couldn't even look in the room at the Comedy Store, which is, if you know the Comedy Store, you're a regular. | ||
| You usually can sit in the back or look in the back. | ||
| Couldn't even do that. | ||
| It was too packed. | ||
| That's amazing, man. | ||
| But everyone said it was amazing shows. | ||
| Yeah, Ari asked me if I wanted to go, but I was too tired. | ||
| I'm trying to find out what this kid did. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't want to keep looking. | ||
| But the whole thing's crazy. | ||
| A person could handcuff, handcuff, shoot themselves in the temple. | ||
| And Joe, that's part of the danger of this rapper. | ||
| And we did an article on Loop 21 called Rick Ross' Hip Hop's War Against Black Men. | ||
| Where we really talk about the danger of putting out these perpetual criminal black man images. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And we looked more at Trayvon at that time and just discussed the reality. | ||
| This is an interview of me and Rick, and we discussed the reality of when you put that image out, how it creates fear-mongering, not only amongst the cops, but also regular citizens like Zimmerman. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And people just have that already in their head when they see Trayvon with the iced tea walking home. | ||
| Absolutely insane. | ||
| Yeah, it's the perpetual criminal image. | ||
| Really, the way it entered into white society was gangster rap in the 80s. | ||
| Because before that, there was never any entertainers that would brag about being criminals. | ||
| That shit didn't exist. | ||
| It never existed. | ||
| In rock and roll, there was a little bit of like, I shot a man in Reno just to watch him die. | ||
| I mean, that was about as crazy as it got. | ||
| You know, it never got like N.W.A. I mean, I remember I was a kid and I was listening to N.W.A. while I was on a stair climber. | ||
| I was like, this is the craziest shit I've ever heard. | ||
| Listen to what the fuck they're saying. | ||
| Like, this is nuts. | ||
| Like, they are just out. | ||
| And I was thinking, man, society is going down the shitter. | ||
| This is craziness. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| And then you look at that cover and you come back to the question that you asked. | ||
| Why does he have to look like that? | ||
| Was that the whole photo shoot? | ||
| Or was that just the craziest shot that they found in the photo shoot? | ||
| At least he doesn't have a gun on him. | ||
| At least he's not like holding a diamond crusted gun. | ||
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Come on. | |
| Pull up your pants. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| What is this sagging thing, man? | ||
| Put on a shirt. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And just take a nice picture. | ||
| Take a nice picture. | ||
| Take a nice picture for church. | ||
| This is a fucking underwear photo. | ||
| Look at his underwear. | ||
| It's so silly. | ||
| What that picture is, is I don't care. | ||
| But they do have a picture of him in there in his uniform. | ||
| What? | ||
| In his correctional officer uniform. | ||
| Oh, do they really? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| They do. | ||
| When he get his award. | ||
| You know, he was the best CO at the academy. | ||
| The best. | ||
| What do you have to do to be the best? | ||
| Perfect attendance. | ||
| That's what he got an award for. | ||
| Get a guy that got an extra stamp and extra soup. | ||
| Oh, yup, there's a picture of him. | ||
| A guy that kissed his girlfriend too long on the visit, and you bust his ass and put him in the hole. | ||
| Is that what he does? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Or they rapping over there, and then you... | ||
| You break up the rap group and steal all the lyrics. | ||
| Oh, give me all those papers. | ||
| Do you think he stole lyrics from people too? | ||
| Oh, absolutely. | ||
| For sure? | ||
| Yeah, he doesn't write his own music. | ||
| Is there a lot of rappers in jail that are talented guys that are stuck in there? | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Guys in jail got stories. | ||
| You know, they've been there. | ||
| You zoom in on that? | ||
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That's him with his outfit on. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| You see it live. | ||
| That is so ridiculous. | ||
| It's so strange to see a guy. | ||
| Why didn't he put that on the cover? | ||
| Look at the cover. | ||
| It's two different people. | ||
| It's two different people. | ||
| That beard does look like Ali G in The Dictator. | ||
| Brian, see if you can pull up anything about his beard being fake. | ||
| I tried looking for it. | ||
| Shit looks fake. | ||
| I'm going with it's fake. | ||
| Even if it's not fake, who cares? | ||
| The whole thing is silly. | ||
| It's silly and ridiculous. | ||
| Listen, man, I hope the one thing that we got out of this podcast is we started the Rick Ross Podcast. | ||
| That's what you need to do. | ||
| And by the way, just call it the Rick Ross Podcast. | ||
| And this fool is going to get you millions of listeners almost immediately. | ||
| And you could spell it out at the beginning of every podcast. | ||
| Just nice and clean and simple. | ||
| If you're going to this podcast thinking that it's Rick Ross the Rapper, you've been misled. | ||
| This is the real Rick Ross that Rick Ross the rapper ripped his name off from. | ||
| You know why? | ||
| Because I was one of the most successful drug dealers in the history of the United States and I went to jail and he thought I was going to jail for life. | ||
| But I learned how to read in jail and I got out because I found a hole in the fucking case and now here I am on the Rick Ross podcast. | ||
| Boom! | ||
| That's the beginning of every episode. | ||
| They would listen to that, and then every kid who would listen to it, who was probably a Rick Ross fan, the fake guy, the rapper, would listen to that first couple seconds, just you saying, if you thought this was Rick Ross, the rapper, nope, this is the dude that Rick Ross stole his fucking name from, the real Rick. | ||
| People would be like, what? | ||
| Stole his name? | ||
| Then they get out their phones and start Googling shit. | ||
| That alone... | ||
| Might take this dude down. | ||
| Or at least get him to pay. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, we got a lot of pressure on him, man. | ||
| I mean, every time he comes out with something, if you really search the internet, like that Rolling Stone article came out on that Friday. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And we did a release, a letter. | ||
| Rick and I sat down. | ||
| I got his ideas. | ||
| And we did a letter. | ||
| And for the whole weekend, when you searched Rick Ross Rolling Stone, you can search it right now. | ||
| Check it on Google. | ||
| If you search Rick Ross Rolling Stone, the top replies are our stuff. | ||
| And look, if you just do Rick Ross, the thing that comes up, news for Rick Ross, is you. | ||
| So people that are searching for him automatically see the number one news thing is an interview with you. | ||
| Show him Rick Ross Rolling Stone on Google. | ||
| The whole thing's crazy. | ||
| It is. | ||
| America's crazy, though. | ||
| America's crazy. | ||
| It's definitely bizarre. | ||
| You got a phone call to make? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| The fake beard thing? | ||
| That's funny. | ||
| He's determined to let the world know about this fake beard thing. | ||
| No, no. | ||
| That's my trademark. | ||
| He stole my trademark. | ||
| The beard as well. | ||
| The name's not enough. | ||
| Ewan got a fake beard. | ||
| If you find out that beard is fake, that is so crazy. | ||
| Are you finna see right now? | ||
| You finna see. | ||
| Just that statement. | ||
| You finna see. | ||
| I can't wait. | ||
| I can't wait to see it. | ||
| God, I hope it's really good. | ||
| Did you find it, Brian? | ||
| You know what to search for now? | ||
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Yeah, it's on YouTube. | |
| Oh, I gotta see this. | ||
| I gotta see this. | ||
| Fake beard. | ||
| Come on, son. | ||
| That's ridiculous. | ||
| That's gonna be the rap right there. | ||
| That's ridiculous. | ||
| But the internet levels the whole playing field in terms of, like, even if mass media doesn't want to cover certain things, what the internet allows us to do is immediately put pressure through. | ||
| Oh, wow. | ||
| When did you notice the most impact? | ||
| Look at this. | ||
| Is that him? | ||
| No, that's not him. | ||
| That's how you do it, I guess. | ||
| That's the style of how you do it, how you fill it in. | ||
| We'll go to him, man. | ||
| Let's find him. | ||
| This is just a dude getting an eardrum. | ||
| I think this is what they're talking about. | ||
| No, what they're saying is how you fill it in if it isn't coming in all together. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| What you use. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, but we got to see him do it, though. | ||
| I don't think they have him do it. | ||
| Oh, my God. | ||
| Oh, there's no actual Rick Ross footage of him getting his eardrum. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Damn. | ||
| We're just speculating. | ||
| That's not good enough. | ||
| You want facts? | ||
| Yeah, we gotta find out the actual facts. | ||
| We can't just talk shit on the dude. | ||
| There's enough shit to talk shit on anyway. | ||
| I mean, how is this guy sagging? | ||
| Look at this. | ||
| Look at the stuff they use. | ||
| Oh, they're putting paste on his face. | ||
| That's like that spirit gum that you use for fake mustaches that it looks like, which is like a really sticky... | ||
| Old men use it on their head. | ||
| Yeah, glue. | ||
| And then it looks like they're... | ||
| No, they're gluing some fake hair on this fool's face. | ||
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Oh, wow. | |
| This is not just like the spray-on hair shit. | ||
| I've never seen this. | ||
| This is like fake actual hairs are in there. | ||
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Oh. | |
| Oh, this is crazy. | ||
| Oh, that's disgusting. | ||
| That's exactly how it... | ||
| Look how stupid that looks. | ||
| Yeah, that's exactly how he does it, though. | ||
| I mean, it's... | ||
| But look how stupid that looks. | ||
| Who would want a beard that looks like that? | ||
| A superhero. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Yeah, that's like a wax figure. | ||
| It looks perfect, though. | ||
| That's so weird. | ||
| That's so weird. | ||
| Look at that booger. | ||
| That is a very strange thing. | ||
| That's how you get a perfect beard. | ||
| That's a strange thing to do with your fucking time. | ||
| See, I don't even want mine perfect no more. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| You're better off the way you are. | ||
| That looks like madness. | ||
| That looks like a crazy person. | ||
| He's determined to get that shit perfectly smooth. | ||
| It's creepy. | ||
| What is the best thing that's come out of this, man? | ||
| Well... | ||
| Out of my whole life, the best thing that's come out now is that I'm able to go back and tell kids the real story, you know, how a person can go from being a tennis player to selling drugs, you know, almost overnight. | ||
| You know, one day I was a tennis player, and the next day I'm a drug dealer. | ||
| So it's not like They tell you that this big, mean monster is going to come down and start you selling drugs. | ||
| One of my best friends started me selling drugs. | ||
| He showed me cocaine for my first time. | ||
| He explained it to me. | ||
| He sold me on the idea. | ||
| And what I think is so important that these kids know that that's how you're going to get induced to drugs, not by some stranger, not from Rick Ross, the drug dealer, is not going to come down and introduce you to drugs. | ||
| You know, it's going to be somebody close to you. | ||
| So I think with me using my experience and my story to educate the world, you know, I believe that we definitely need educating. | ||
| And that's what I'm doing now. | ||
| You know, we're doing a documentary called Cracking the System. | ||
| We're still underfunded. | ||
| Doing it with Mark Levin. | ||
| Mark Levin is the HBO director who just did Prayer for a Perfect Season and Lost on Long Island, Hard Times. | ||
| He's nominated for some Emmys. | ||
| We expect to get some Oscar nods on this documentary. | ||
| It's that powerful. | ||
| There's so many different facets and phases of your life. | ||
| It's so interesting to have your, you know, run in Los Angeles phase, to being incarcerated with no hope of escaping phase, to figuring out how to read phase, to now educating kids phase. | ||
| This is, I mean, what is it like to be at this phase of your life now, like reflecting back on all the madness of the previous phases? | ||
| It's like, wow, you know, this is what you had to go through to become who you are today. | ||
| You know, had I not went through all those scenarios, had I not been bitten by the dog, beaten in the head with flashlights, had drugs planted on you by the police, could I be able to rationalize all the things that I rational with right now? | ||
| You know, being able to sit in prison with a guy that you gave his first drug to, and he has a life sentence, And at one time we both got life sentences. | ||
| You know, this guy wanted to be like me so much that he not only copied me but he also went to prison with me, had a life sentence with me. | ||
| We walked the track and then I have to walk, when I walked out of prison, to leave him there. | ||
| All these things shaped me for who I am today and I believe that That's what gives me the ability to be able to walk in a boardroom with an Ori Emanuel or Jeff Bird or Michael Linton and then I can leave from there and go to South Central to Watts and go to Jordan High School and sit there and talk to the kids. | ||
| How many dudes get out after long stretches like that and they become institutionalized and they can't take the regular world? | ||
| I think it's a lot. | ||
| I mean, even myself, I was institutionalized when I was in prison. | ||
| I mean, because I function in prison at a high level. | ||
| You know, prison didn't affect me. | ||
| You know, like right now, even when I got into it with my PO and he was talking about sending me back, I was like, send me back for a year. | ||
| A year is nothing. | ||
| You know, I can do a year on a handstand. | ||
| You know, so I believe that it's very easy to get institutionalized. | ||
| It's very easy to start to go with the flow, start to like being there. | ||
| To say that the world on the outside is not real, you know, that being in here is what's real. | ||
| I mean, I had a friend I just heard a couple weeks ago. | ||
| He did 20 years flat with me. | ||
| We started out at the same time. | ||
| As a matter of fact, he started out a little before I did. | ||
| Before that, he did juvenile hall and had been incarcerated all his life. | ||
| Well, just the other week, he went and did one of the stupidest crimes that you can't believe it. | ||
| He almost had a life sentence for crack cocaine. | ||
| He went and sold somebody two ounces of crack cocaine, I hear, and now he's back in jail and he's looking at a life sentence all over again, or 20 years. | ||
| Goddamn. | ||
| And the guy is intelligent. | ||
| This guy graduated from college. | ||
| While he was in prison, he went to college. | ||
| He got degrees. | ||
| I mean, just a brilliant guy. | ||
| Did he move right back home to his own old stomping ground? | ||
| He had nowhere else to go. | ||
| Where was he going to go? | ||
| I mean, you know, you get out of jail, you do 20 years. | ||
| You don't have anything. | ||
| You don't have anybody. | ||
| I mean, you know, he was lucky that his father took him in. | ||
| And, you know, he just slid back in, you know, to... | ||
| To what he knew. | ||
| You know, I think drugs become like a crutch for the seller. | ||
| You know, where if something goes wrong, he knows how to fix it. | ||
| And that's go out and sell him some drugs. | ||
| And, you know, now I got a place to live. | ||
| I got gas in my car. | ||
| I'm eating. | ||
| I'm respectful again. | ||
| Do you think that any of that could ever be stopped? | ||
| Is there a... | ||
| I mean, you must have spent a lot of time thinking about the whole system of illegal drug trade and, you know, what got you into... | ||
| Is there a way to ever stop that? | ||
| We're going to have to give real opportunity, not fake opportunity like so many people are selling right now. | ||
| So many people right now are selling us fake opportunity. | ||
| When there's really no opportunities, there's no manufacturing jobs, you know, they send a lot of jobs overseas. | ||
| I mean, if you want to be an operator, you've got to go to India, you know? | ||
| So what we're going to have to do is figure out how we can make our people feel important again. | ||
| How do you make a person feel important? | ||
| Can that stop drugs, though? | ||
| Can that stop the sale of drugs? | ||
| And if drugs are illegal, Are they always going to be wanted? | ||
| Is it always going to be a market for them that's a criminal market? | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| I believe that the only way we can solve this drug problem is with education because, like you said, as long as there's a demand for drugs, there's going to be a supplier. | ||
| Once we end the demand, then... | ||
| The suppliers will automatically go away because they're not going to be standing around holding drugs that nobody wants. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So we got to educate people. | ||
| That's a high level of education to point where they don't want drugs. | ||
| Because even this motherfucker loves drugs. | ||
| He's always getting fucked up. | ||
| I think there's one thing inside of what Rick is saying that's very powerful. | ||
| And we got to realize that when the seller is selling, his drug isn't only the money. | ||
| It's the power and the respect. | ||
| And if you can find an alternate way for that person, I'm not saying get the same level of respect, but be respected, then you can give them an alternate route that isn't as dangerous. | ||
| They might choose that over the extra money. | ||
| Oh, for sure. | ||
| Yeah, well, everybody would most certainly choose a karma-free form of success over success that involves real dangerous shit and going to jail and getting shot. | ||
| It's just how do we get people to aspire that high? | ||
| I mean, we've got to do a lot of work on the culture of this country, of just the way we raise human beings. | ||
| I mean, all of this from Snooki to this ridiculous nonsense that we feed each other. | ||
| It's okay if it's just you at the airport picking it up and laughing. | ||
| But it's the people that actually get influenced by that, influenced by this ding-dong culture of nonsense and fake drug sales and fake shooting people. | ||
| It's like, what are we promoting? | ||
| What the fuck are we doing? | ||
| Is it just a mad money grab? | ||
| And these people do it with no responsibility. | ||
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Exactly. | |
| I mean, they don't have any responsibility. | ||
| I think that if you allow a magazine to put a guy in there who's saying, I sell drugs... | ||
| They should be held accountable for that. | ||
| I mean, because all I did in selling drugs, let me tell you what I did in selling drugs really. | ||
| Because you know I didn't manufacture the drugs. | ||
| Right. | ||
| All I did was got the drugs from one guy and hand them to another guy. | ||
| So if you're handing off drug information, then you should be liable for that type of information. | ||
| If you're putting out records, were you telling kids to go out and sell drugs, to parlay that into a record career? | ||
| And it's funny because that sounds outlandish. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| But like when we look at NWA, you talked about them earlier. | ||
| The FBI went after N.W.A. when cops started getting shot up after N.W.A. came out with the cop killing song. | ||
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The FBI had made an attempt to charge N.W.A. Wasn't that Ice-T actually? | |
| Wasn't that a cop killer? | ||
| No, but they had one too. | ||
| They had a cop killer song too? | ||
| Fuck the police. | ||
| Fuck the police. | ||
| But the FBI went after them under the concept that they're perpetuating an image they're putting out that's making people do this. | ||
| And the same thing goes. | ||
| That's what... | ||
| Well, it should go. | ||
| It should go. | ||
| It should go, but they're making money off the drug trade in a sort of a peripheral entertainment-based way, right? | ||
| That's what it is. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So they really are making money off the glamorization of the drug trade. | ||
| But you forget the other part of it, which is... | ||
| I mean, sometimes you see, I don't know if you've ever seen, where they'll rip down a building just to create the jobs that build the building back up. | ||
| What they're making money off of now is actually ripping down black men's lives in some of these cases. | ||
| Because what's happening is these black men come out in these areas. | ||
| And I'm a former prosecutor here in L.A. And these black men are born into certain areas where they're crime riddled, they're drug infested. | ||
| And then essentially they go out and they sell the drugs. | ||
| And instead of fixing the drug problem by saying, we're not going to let the drugs in the community no more, what they do is then push them into prison. | ||
| But you've got to remember, it's not just pushing them into prison. | ||
| There's jobs all along the way, which is like somebody's got to type in his name. | ||
| Somebody's got to file his paperwork. | ||
| These are jobs for everybody else other than the black people that get to basically manage this destruction of this man's life. | ||
| Yeah, there is unquestionably a whole industry involved in keeping people locked up. | ||
| There's an industry involved in going after people. | ||
| There's an industry involved in even making sure that people continue to commit crimes. | ||
| Making sure that things that shouldn't even be crimes stay crimes so that they can keep people in jail. | ||
| And that's hard for people to accept, especially those no-nonsense Mitt Romney-loving dudes. | ||
| Oh, that's not the way things work. | ||
| You're a crazy conspiracy theorist. | ||
| But no, that really is the way things work. | ||
| We're going to pay $40,000 to keep you in prison, but we're not going to give you a job where you can make $18,000 a year, and then you won't commit a crime. | ||
| It's crazy how many people are in jail. | ||
| And I don't think most people understand that the numbers in America are higher than anywhere else in the world. | ||
| This is the crazy part. | ||
| The numbers in America right now are about 700 per 100,000. | ||
| Like the highest that you've seen, basically, in the world. | ||
| But the highest rate ever in a recorded nation is about 800 per 100,000. | ||
| That was in Russia during the war camps. | ||
| During the African apartheid, for the Africans that were oppressed, it was like 852 per 100,000. | ||
| For black men today, between 25 and 35, it's 10,000 per 100,000 that are in prison. | ||
| Holy shit. | ||
| Ten times the highest rate ever. | ||
| And the thing is, it's not even part of the DNC convention at all. | ||
| No discussion of it as a platform. | ||
| So you have all these, when you watch the convention, and funny enough, this is no degrade, but it's a lot of African American women. | ||
| Well, if your father or your brother or your uncle's in prison, you should demand that that's part of their platform. | ||
| How is that not part of their platform? | ||
| Like, that they address why all these men have went to prison for nonviolent offenses for as long as they have. | ||
| Yeah, when the numbers are that high, it seems like that's a social academic. | ||
| It's an epidemic. | ||
| They have to figure out what caused that situation and treat it like an outbreak of a disease. | ||
| Like, there's something fucking terribly wrong in this one area. | ||
| What was the number again? | ||
| 10,000 per 100,000. | ||
| For black men, between 25 and 35. Overall, it's 5,000 per 100,000. | ||
| So that tells you the old ones aren't going to prison as much as the young ones. | ||
| It's a scary number. | ||
| That's a terrifying number. | ||
| Because 10,000 for 100,000, that's 1 in 10. Yeah, 1 in 10. That's insane. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| 1 in 10 in jail. | ||
| That's not even counting the ones that are cycling. | ||
| That doesn't even make sense. | ||
| That seems like it's impossible because you think about how many people are actually in the hood. | ||
| Not all black guys are in the hood. | ||
| So a lot of black guys are growing up in suburban neighborhoods. | ||
| You have to factor in the hood must be way higher We're good to go. | ||
| I mean, I don't understand unemployment rates. | ||
| I don't understand how a president can create jobs either. | ||
| We've created 100,000 jobs. | ||
| What did you do to create jobs? | ||
| Illegalize something. | ||
| Yeah, that's it, right? | ||
| Yeah, no shit, man. | ||
| It's a strange world. | ||
| We have to figure out a way to make it profitable for evil companies to make people smarter and clean up crime. | ||
| If we could figure out a way to take Halliburton out of Iraq and have them rebuild South Central, make it a trillion-dollar contract to rebuild fucked-up areas, wouldn't that be an amazing way to use resources? | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| There's no lithium in South Central, though. | ||
| There's not, but if you really believe it, that's why we're in Iraq, yeah. | ||
| But you've got to think that there has got to be some benefit in the resource of human beings and developing intelligent human beings. | ||
| Joe Rogan, this is a country that had slavery. | ||
| Let's be honest. | ||
| By the way, every country had slavery. | ||
| Every single country. | ||
| Not only that, most of them still do. | ||
| I wonder how many countries still rock, including America. | ||
| We're playing games if we pretend that we don't have slavery here. | ||
| Because all people that are here without green cards who are working for cash essentially are slaves. | ||
| All those poor fucks who can't get a green card. | ||
| You sneak over here from Mexico, man. | ||
| Good luck. | ||
| You sneak over here from anywhere else. | ||
| Good luck. | ||
| You've got to exist day to day hoping you don't get found out. | ||
| You're never going to make more than a certain amount of money unless you do something illegal. | ||
| And how many people are slavery in other countries where they take people's passports away and they make them work on construction sites? | ||
| There's a lot of slavery still going on. | ||
| They're always busting people here and there for a basement full of indentured servants. | ||
| It's like slavery officially went away, but still, there's parts of the world where slavery is pretty goddamn commonplace. | ||
| That's amazing. | ||
| In 2012, where that fucked up. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You'd imagine that that was something we could have got rid of. | ||
| What's amazing when you think of how recent slavery in the United States was. | ||
| Yes, it is. | ||
| A couple hundred years ain't shit. | ||
| No, it's not even a couple hundred years. | ||
| There was a PBS special called Slavery by Another Name. | ||
| I had Rick watch it. | ||
| The guy that did the documentary worked for the Wall Street Journal. | ||
| And what he showed is that while we ended slavery with the Emancipation Proclamation in the 1860s, We didn't really end slavery until 1945. That's when the FBI, when you said, my brother is being held as a slave on this farm, that's the first time the FBI went and investigated it. | ||
| So for 80 years, they just let it go? | ||
| They just let it go. | ||
| And then this is the kicker. | ||
| He showed that between 1865 and 1960, only one white person was ever convicted of a murder of a black man. | ||
| One time. | ||
| Whoa. | ||
| The Democratic National Convention, again, didn't talk about any of that. | ||
| Whoa. | ||
| They didn't see the documentary. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| See, you know, there's people that will get angry when someone talks about reparations for slavery. | ||
| But if you don't think that the culture needs to put a certain amount of emphasis on something that happened... | ||
| In the previous century that, you know, I mean if that's really 1940, the previous century that might control like the fate of millions and millions and millions of Americans that are in fucked up situations? | ||
| It just seems like to me, I've always said this, I'll say it one more time, that the society's stronger when you have less losers. | ||
| It would seem to me that if you really wanted to make America better, you don't go to foreign countries. | ||
| You take all the kids that are growing up fucked up and you figure out a way to get them counselors. | ||
| You figure out a way to bring in sports. | ||
| You figure out a way to get them education. | ||
| You figure out a way to, it seems to be way cheaper to do that than it would be to go to Afghanistan with tanks. | ||
| You would send this cocaine worse than crack than that too. | ||
| What's that? | ||
| I said you would sentence cocaine worse than crack, too. | ||
| That seems logical as well. | ||
| That whole thing is silly, isn't it? | ||
| Crack is worse than cocaine as far as sentencing, right? | ||
| It was 100 times worse. | ||
| They moved it to 18 and didn't do it retroactively. | ||
| 100 times worse? | ||
| It was sentenced 100 times worse. | ||
| So to put it in context so people can understand, for five little rocks, you got sentenced the same amount as if you had half a kilo. | ||
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| That's crazy. | ||
| And it's not just about the size of it. | ||
| It's the realization that only a few people would get to a half a kilo level of sales. | ||
| Everybody does this. | ||
| Five rock sales level. | ||
| So it was just to pull crackheads off the street at will. | ||
| They could just lock everybody in jail as long as they wanted to. | ||
| And when were private prisons introduced into this society? | ||
| Probably around 80, 89, something like that. | ||
| We should find out, huh? | ||
| We should know. | ||
| That seems like a fucking huge Reagan-era mistake. | ||
| You know, when were private prisons invented? | ||
| But I know they definitely corrupted the system. | ||
| When you let big corporations get into prisons, you know... | ||
| You know, that number like I gave you earlier, black imprisonment in the 70s was like 10%. | ||
| 92. First happened in the United Kingdom. | ||
| In 1992, they figured it out. | ||
| These motherfuckers. | ||
| Adds a lot of jobs to the economy, though. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Crazy. | ||
| Yeah, I guess it does, right? | ||
| Yeah, you got to have somebody to process, file the paperwork. | ||
| You got correctional officers. | ||
| Feed them. | ||
| Somebody got to feed them, grow the food, even though they grow the food themselves, but they won't feed that food to the prisoners. | ||
| Actually, in the United States, in England, they started in the 90s. | ||
| But the United States, they've been doing it since the 1800s. | ||
| Beginning in 1868, convict leases were issued to private parties to supplement their workforce. | ||
| And that's part of this documentary, Slavery by Another Name as well. | ||
| What they showed is that Chase, J.P. Morgan, after slavery ended in 1865, what they did effectively is they would make it a crime for you not to have a job. | ||
| It's called vagrancy laws. | ||
| And then once they captured you, they would give you like three days. | ||
| But once you couldn't pay that, your fees made it so it was just longer and longer. | ||
| And then they would throw you in the mine to work it off. | ||
| And then you would die in the mine. | ||
| That's essentially what they're saying here. | ||
| They're saying that farmers and businessmen needed to find replacements for the labor force once their slaves had been freed. | ||
| So beginning in 1868, convict leases were issued to private parties to supplement their workforce. | ||
| That's fucking crazy. | ||
| They just found a loophole. | ||
| They made people go right back to slavery by just locking them up in jail. | ||
| So jail, really, essentially private prisons are... | ||
| An offshoot of slavery. | ||
| It really is an extension of slavery. | ||
| There's something called the pig law. | ||
| And it's funny because the number is more important than the name of the law. | ||
| The pig law, the minimum sentence, if you were a black guy, you stole a white guy's pig. | ||
| You were given five years in a felony status. | ||
| Well, the mandatory minimum for crack is five years in a felony status. | ||
| So, I mean, they're not too genius with it. | ||
| So what happens was, what they did was, they did this in the 1860s after slavery was instituted. | ||
| It was made illegal. | ||
| But then in the 1980s, That's when shit kicked into the next level, and that was the crack epidemic. | ||
| The crack epidemic actually opened up the door to ushering a new era of private prisons. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| It's amazing, man. | ||
| That's what I see. | ||
| They realize they can make money. | ||
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
| And then if you look at this music, this music doesn't help because it perpetuates, and it's almost like, it's like Viagra with sex. | ||
| You listen to this music, you become a little violent, angry little person, and then you do something that you normally might not do if you listen to Marvin Gaye. | ||
| It's true. | ||
| That's a good point. | ||
| You won't hurt nobody to listen to Marvin Gaye. | ||
| The modern private prison business first emerged and established itself publicly in 1984 when the Corrections Corporation of America was awarded a contract To take over a facility in Hamilton County, Tennessee. | ||
| How much would it suck to go to jail in Hamilton County, Tennessee when these motherfuckers passed that law? | ||
| Yeah, they would put you in this mine, and then you wouldn't even see the light of day. | ||
| And the thing about being a prisoner versus a slave, they said, is that at least as a slave you are property, so they have some value for you as property. | ||
| But when you're a prisoner, they just throw you away. | ||
| So then they treat you worse. | ||
| Unbelievable. | ||
| They would just call the jail and tell them, oh, he died. | ||
| Yeah, prison is worse than slavery. | ||
| We need another one. | ||
| Because there's a benefit for you being able to work to be healthy. | ||
| So there's a benefit in them feeding you and keeping you alive. | ||
| Private companies in the United States operate 264 correctional facilities. | ||
| Holy shit. | ||
| Private prisons... | ||
| There's 264 of them in this country. | ||
| They house almost 99,000 adult convicts. | ||
| This is insane, man. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| That's a scary, scary, scary statistic. | ||
| It just makes you really wonder who's paying attention to any of this. | ||
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Why? | |
| Everybody's going over, gay marriage! | ||
| What about gay marriage? | ||
| You need to pay attention to the craziness at the base of our society. | ||
| Well, look what they did with the crack law. | ||
| No, they said, okay, the crack law was wrong. | ||
| We're going to make it 18 to 1. But there's guys that have been in prison 25, 30 years right now for selling crack. | ||
| And there's no retroactive release. | ||
| They didn't make it. | ||
| If they'd have made it 18 to 1 for them, they'd get out tomorrow. | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
| And their life is just wasted. | ||
| They don't want to take a chance, and they can make money off you being inside. | ||
| And then the crazy part about the crack sentence law is, and I asked another DA this that had more experience than myself, is there any law on the books, non-violent, that's punished that way? | ||
| And he said no. | ||
| So it's a racist law. | ||
| We met the guy who wrote it. | ||
| He said that there's no law before or after. | ||
| He's in our documentary, Cracking the System. | ||
| You guys got to check it out when it comes out. | ||
| When is it going to be out? | ||
| Next year. | ||
| When it comes out, come here. | ||
| Come here again and we'll pump that motherfucker through the roof. | ||
| We have him and Rick sitting on the couch and he looks at Rick dead-eyed and apologizes to black America. | ||
| He says, I put more black men in prison than anybody alive. | ||
| He said that I've never seen a law before or after it That was written that way. | ||
| They didn't do no investigation. | ||
| They didn't talk to DEA agents. | ||
| They didn't talk to lab specialists. | ||
| They just wrote the law. | ||
| So they just wanted to figure out a way where they can get people in jail that aren't even going to complain. | ||
| And they did it during the era when there must have been some pressure to clean up the streets. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| Because the crack epidemic was crazy. | ||
| I remember the epidemic. | ||
| Even some of the people who now are against it was crying out to change it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Man, that's fucking nuts. | ||
| But yeah, definitely, as soon as we... | ||
| We're still raising some money. | ||
| We've got to raise a few more hundred grand for this crack in the systems. | ||
| But what we did is we've been going around, investigating, doing all our work, you know, going over archive footage of Ronald Reagan talking about... | ||
| We've got Ronald Reagan talking about crack cocaine, right? | ||
| We got a cop that did five years for basically planting drugs, and for the first time ever, he's on camera. | ||
| And he looks like fucking De Niro or somebody. | ||
| Classic. | ||
| So we got him basically talking about what drove him to plant drugs and to actually take money. | ||
| Because you come in, we're talking about 1980, you come into a house with a 15-year-old kid in there, and there's $60,000 on the floor, which is like $300,000 today. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, there's a lot of things that go through your mind. | ||
| And he goes through the process of how you get to the point where you take 150 and you report 150. Right. | ||
| And how his family needed things. | ||
| And it's just crazy. | ||
| This doc is going... | ||
| We're going to win an Oscar with this one. | ||
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Wow. | |
| I can't wait to see it. | ||
| Definitely come in right before it happens, man. | ||
| Come in right before you release it. | ||
| We'll blow that fucking thing up. | ||
| All right. | ||
| And one other question. | ||
| What's the most realistic movie on the drug trade? | ||
| Is there any realistic movies? | ||
| uh that i saw uh like blow was close blow was close yeah that's why i let nick write my uh my script oh it's the same guy is writing your script yeah yeah blow was really close what's his name nick what nick cassavetti cassavetti yeah he's supposed to direct the movie for us uh when is that gonna happen we working on that right now too is too short gonna play you No. | ||
| I spoke to Too Short last night. | ||
| If he was taller, he could play you. | ||
| Facially, you guys look similar a little bit. | ||
| You must have known me and Too Short had a conversation last night. | ||
| No, I'm just a Too Short fan. | ||
| Is that right? | ||
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Okay, okay. | |
| He's a great rapper. | ||
| I'll let him know. | ||
| Yeah, please do, man. | ||
| I love that guy. | ||
| I have to bring him through. | ||
| Next time he's in town, I'll bring him through. | ||
| Please do. | ||
| Please do. | ||
| What actor is going to play you? | ||
| We don't know yet. | ||
| We're tinkering with quite a few people. | ||
| I talked to Jamie Foxx about a week ago. | ||
| Jamie Foxx can do anything. | ||
| That guy can become anybody. | ||
| When I saw Ray Charles, I was like, nobody else could have done that. | ||
| And then when they said he was going to play Mike Tyson, I was like, he could do it. | ||
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He could do it. | |
| Hey, Tom, pull up the picture with him and Jamie on it. | ||
| He could play Mike Tyson. | ||
| And everybody's like, what? | ||
| He doesn't look anything like Mike Tyson. | ||
| He could get to look like Mike Tyson and he could play it. | ||
| He could do it. | ||
| I know he could do it. | ||
| Jamie had the beard and everything because he was doing Ja Jango Unchained. | ||
| Oh, that's right. | ||
| When is that coming out? | ||
| December. | ||
| I saw the ads for it a while ago. | ||
| Supposed to come out December 25th. | ||
| I hate when they do that. | ||
| They get your dick hard like six months in advance for a good movie, and then you wait. | ||
| We're going to knock them out with this one here. | ||
| Because this is the real Scarface. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| This is your real life story. | ||
| And that's what really trips me out about Hollywood is when you come with a real story, they don't really get that same type of drive. | ||
| Yesterday, somebody come to me. | ||
| They want to hire me as a consultant. | ||
| To go on a TV show about a gangster in South Central Los Angeles. | ||
| I'm like, well, why are you guys doing a fictional story when you got the real thing right here? | ||
| Oh, well, well. | ||
| It's probably too scary for them. | ||
| There's a picture right there. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Yeah, he could totally play you. | ||
| Yeah, and what's crazy is we were talking to the guy that did Benjamin Buttons on how you would make him look 20 again. | ||
| He was giving us all the special effects. | ||
| Oh yeah, you could do amazing shit. | ||
| Did you see that movie Tron where they took, what's Homeboy's name? | ||
| The fucking older dude. | ||
| I want to say William Hurt, but that's not him. | ||
| No, it's Jeff Bridges. | ||
| Jeff Bridges. | ||
| They turned Jeff Bridges back to the way he was when he was like 20 years old. | ||
| Benjamin Buttons, they did that with the Brad Pitt. | ||
| Yeah, they could do anything. | ||
| As far as that, but as far as pulling it off, you've got to get Jamie Foxx. | ||
| He played that homeless dude who was the music virtuoso. | ||
| He could do anything, man. | ||
| He's just one of those dudes. | ||
| No matter what he seems like when he's just talking in interviews and fucking around, When it comes down to actual acting, he's one of those dudes who can become a different guy. | ||
| There's only a few of those Russell Crowe, Daniel Day-Lewis type dudes out there, but Jamie Foxx can do the shit out of that. | ||
| That Ray Charles man, god damn. | ||
| It was phenomenal. | ||
| And then when you realize he's actually singing that shit, that's what's even crazier. | ||
| Like Jamie Foxx is a fucking incredible singer too. | ||
| Yeah, and the thing about our script, the way it's written, it's like a mix between traffic, I would say traffic, blow, and like Boys in the Hood. | ||
| No Scarface, no Scarface at all in there? | ||
| Scarface too. | ||
| And that's why I was going to tell you the interesting, let me say one more thing about Scarface, because we met with the producer of Scarface. | ||
| It's interesting because we were sitting and watching Scarface. | ||
| Remember that 83 is around the same time as Rick. | ||
| When Scarface goes overseas to the connection, he's talking about 100 keys a month. | ||
| Rick was doing that a day. | ||
| It's like, get your weight up, Scarface. | ||
| Scarface just got clowned. | ||
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This story actually has international appeal. | |
| Just like I was saying, Costa Rica Times picked up the spin article. | ||
| Oh, it's fascinating. | ||
| So we have... | ||
| The way it's written, it's not just Rick. | ||
| It's like 60%, 50% black, 30% Latino, and then the remainder is white. | ||
| So you have the reporter, and you have the politicians, you have the Latino, the Nicaraguans, and then you have Rick's story. | ||
| So this just has a phenomenal reach for everybody who likes different aspects of those kind of movies. | ||
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Cool. | |
| Yeah, that sounds pretty fucking incredible, man. | ||
| And, you know, so you have it... | ||
| They don't have the... | ||
| The script's done, but they don't have it cast. | ||
| They don't have a projection when it's going to start. | ||
| Yeah, we're still raising the budget right now. | ||
| You could sell crack cocaine and make a lot of money. | ||
| Dude, what the fuck, Brian? | ||
| Didn't you learn from the story? | ||
| The story's so important. | ||
| Do you have a Kickstarter account? | ||
| Because that seems like one of the best ways to raise a bunch of money, especially for a movie or something like that. | ||
| True, yeah. | ||
| Kickstarter. | ||
| And if you ever have something like that, please come back and we'll promote the shit out of it. | ||
| Anything you guys want, anytime you want, just let me know. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And you can come back. | ||
| We enjoyed the shit out of this as well as the last time. | ||
| You're a cool motherfucker and your story's amazing. | ||
| And thank you, dude. | ||
| Thank you very much for all the information that you distributed today. | ||
| And I think you guys have a great message. | ||
| I think both of you guys are doing amazing shit. | ||
| Appreciate you having us on, man. | ||
| And hopefully I continue to grow friends from being on your show. | ||
| Oh, you will. | ||
| I go places and people come. | ||
| I saw you on Joe Rogan. | ||
| Freeway Ricky. | ||
| Unquestionably, man. | ||
| Listen, we will help you blow up just like we help everybody else, man. | ||
| Thank you, man. | ||
| Thank you very, very much. | ||
| And I appreciate all y'all out there who support me. | ||
| I love you. | ||
| Yeah, we got some cool people that are tuning in. | ||
| And I want to thank one of them, this guy, William Blankenship. | ||
| He apparently got upset because we used some of his artwork and a caricature in the recent ad for Santa Barbara. | ||
| But he probably just pulled some shit offline. | ||
| Oh, the posters? | ||
| Yeah, I just Google search your name. | ||
| Yeah, I know. | ||
| People don't understand how silly it is. | ||
| It's like an avatar. | ||
| We didn't know. | ||
| He wanted to just get credit, so I'm giving him credit. | ||
| William, thanks a lot, dude. | ||
| Thanks for making that. | ||
| Thanks, Williams. | ||
| No, he's not complaining. | ||
| He's just being a little needy. | ||
| Make sure you go to FreewayRick.com and add his Facebook, his Twitter. | ||
| It's all there on FreewayRick.com. | ||
| Real easy spell. | ||
| Yeah, go to deathsquad.tv and pick up that. | ||
| How many cats are left? | ||
| Limited edition. | ||
| The second t-shirt, it's half sold out right now. | ||
| Get in there, bitches. | ||
| The shit's everywhere. | ||
| It's on MTV, alright? | ||
| Fake Rick Ross. | ||
| Go fuck yourself. | ||
| You're a ridiculous human being. | ||
| How dare you? | ||
| America should say that to you. | ||
| How dare you? | ||
| We'll accept you. | ||
| We'll accept you. | ||
| Hustlin' song is a good song. | ||
| Change your name, son, and pay up. | ||
| Right? | ||
| Lenny William Bobb. | ||
| All that good shit. | ||
| All right, folks. | ||
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| We will see you next week. | ||
| We got Kat Von D's coming in. | ||
| I believe Eddie Bravo is going to come in with her too because Kat Von D tattooed Eddie Bravo's grandmom on his chest. | ||
| It's pretty fucking badass. | ||
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