Joe Rogan and David Seaman critique Florida’s 20th district politics, exposing NSA’s warrantless mass surveillance—The Program—costing billions to track domestic communications, including emails and banking data, while TSA’s invasive pat-downs violate constitutional rights. They condemn drone strikes’ civilian toll, Halliburton’s no-bid contracts under Cheney, and systemic corruption like derivatives markets, comparing it to Sumerian "Anunnaki" theories as Rogan mocks leaders like Paul Ryan for lacking psychedelic or transformative experiences. Assange’s prosecution over trivial charges highlights government hypocrisy, while Trapwire’s unchecked surveillance reveals dystopian overreach—Seaman’s candidacy offers hope for accountability in a broken system. [Automatically generated summary]
This is getting boring saying this way every time.
Listen, what I like most about this podcast is it has no professionalism to it whatsoever.
So when I have to say the same shit over and over again, I feel like I'm being a professional and I feel like I'm not doing myself a service.
It's nonsense.
You know what the fuck it is.
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I think supplementing has made me a healthier person with a body that functions better.
Period.
We also have these kettlebells and battle ropes that are in, and I've talked about them ad nauseum.
But the new news is I will definitely be doing a kettlebell DVD with the great Steve Maxwell.
Yeah, we did some emails back and forth, and Steve is totally down.
So we're going to do, he's going to, what we're going to do is I'm going to have Steve put me through one of his brutal workouts, and people at home will be able to do it along with him.
And I'm trying to do it for two, because, first of all, people keep asking me to do one of these.
And second of all, because I think people could really benefit from kettlebells.
I think it's a more interesting way to work out.
It feels more satisfying to me.
It's fucking harder.
Like when I see someone just doing bicep curls now, I'm like, you silly bitch.
Like that's nonsense.
Like it's too easy.
To really get like real benefits that you see when you roll, when you do jiu-jitsu, I feel like you have to do something really difficult.
You have to do either powerlifting, you have to do cleans and presses, you have to do squats, you have to do deadlifts.
If you want to like really get a benefit, you have to do that or you got to do something like kettlebells.
And what I like about kettlebells is you develop amazing core strength because you're essentially balancing this fucking cannonball and moving it around.
And it makes your body work intelligently as one unit.
And I think using your body to lift weights as one unit instead of isolating areas, to me shows the best benefits athletically.
I was at lunch the other day with a friend of mine.
I knew from it.
And we were talking about it.
It just sounds so ridiculous to talk about your supporters and campaigning and all this.
But it's cool in a way because I used to be the guy who would just watch TV and be so angry that all of these dumbasses have been in for 20 years and are legislating terrible stuff.
So I would just write articles about it and do YouTube videos about it.
And then a number of things happened and I actually had an opportunity to run.
So why not?
Why not jump in instead of just being on the sidelines?
It's almost to me, it's like that's the beginnings of all censorship.
The beginnings of all ignorance is this idea that we have bad words.
It's almost like if you can convince people, like if everybody agrees that there's bad words, we all agree there's words you should never say in certain company.
If you do that, that's a step one on the way to be full of shit.
Well, I mean, I have a lot of Republican and a lot of Democratic supporters, and obviously a lot of independents and libertarian-minded.
But they're not supporting me because of what I believe metaphysically, whatever that may be.
They're supporting me just because I want to protect the Constitution and defend the Bill of Rights.
And for most people, that's enough right there.
And if you believe in those things, you know that my personal beliefs are kind of irrelevant.
As long as I'm not a member of the League of Shadows or something, you know, and like, as long as your religion isn't harmful to anybody, it doesn't matter if you're an atheist or if you're a skeptic or secular or, you know, extremely, what's the word, extremely devout.
That shouldn't really matter when you're representing your district.
If you know people that are Mormons and you see how much they help each other when there's any sort of a crisis or one family has, how much they chip in, it's a beautiful community.
Even if it's based on nonsense, it's a beautiful community.
But you should be able to do whatever the fuck you want as long as you're nice.
That guy's my friend.
I mean, he believes all kinds of wacky shit.
They used to wear a special underwear, the whole fucking deal.
But he's my friend.
He's a nice guy.
I don't need him to believe everything I believe.
I just need to be able to interact with him and know that he's got my interests and his interests and everybody's interest at heart.
He's not just trying to fuck the whole thing up for himself.
Well, I mean, personal beliefs, once you start telling somebody what they can believe and what they can't believe in terms of religion, you're jumping a huge slippery.
I think the idea is we should be as honest as possible about everything, about all your own personal beliefs on religion.
We should all be as honest as possible.
And I think we would come to a remarkable middle ground if we took away all the ideology.
I think we would come to, if we all got together, if the whole world could speak one language and we sat down and talked about religion, I think we would form remarkably similar opinions if we were really honest about what the fuck happens when you die and about who has created this earth.
Well, that's the, I'm definitely not religious, but people have asked me, somebody online on Google Plus actually asked me, he was like, do you believe in God?
This is a deal breaker for me.
He was atheist.
And first of all, he was posting a comment on a thread that had nothing to do with that.
I was writing something about censorship or like internet censorship, and this is his question.
Totally like hijacking what we're talking about.
But I wanted to answer him, and I said, you know, I believe in a higher power because I really don't want to believe that we're the most advanced thing in the universe.
Like, this iPhone over there is the most high-tech, incredible thing invented in the whole universe.
I just don't believe that.
And I don't believe that we're necessarily the highest level of intelligence out there.
I don't.
And if you look at where we are now, atheists want you to believe that we came from kind of like toxic sludge billions of years ago washing up on the shore in a kind of pre-oxygenated earth or whatever the details are.
And I'd like to think that there's more to life than that.
You know, I think a lot of us would like to think there's something out there that's smarter than us.
I think the real issue is ego, is that the human ego is aware of itself.
And I think when a person's aware of themselves, when you start thinking of yourself and you want to keep yourself alive, you start looking at yourself very selfishly and unobjectively.
You start looking at yourself like you're super, super fucking important.
You know, I think if we could get past that and you looked at life and intelligence, you would say, well, why does it have to be coming out of the mouth of some thing that can move around?
Why am I assuming that that's the only intelligence?
How do I not know that there's not intelligence in stars?
How do I not know that there's intelligence?
There could be hyperintelligence all around us.
We're not capable of hearing its frequency.
We're not capable of communicating with it.
Why does this bag of blood and cells and nerve endings and electrical impulses, why does this make noise with its mouth and change the world?
Why the fuck does that happen?
Who knows?
It doesn't make any sense.
How do you not know that there's not an intelligence to everything around us all the time?
It's just imperceptible to us.
And they're starting to figure this out with plants.
They're starting to figure out that plants have some sort of rudimentary or unknown, rather.
You know, I flew on Southwest the other day and I just wanted to sleep.
And the whole time they played games on the intercom and like trivia games with everyone, they're like, now press your button, that ding button, you know, like the help me button.
It seemed totally illegal because like what if somebody really needed help, like a heart attack and there's all these people dinging and they're like, no, I'm having a heart attack, you know?
Speaking of which, Virgin America, I was pretty impressed with, I don't know how they were able to do this legally, but everybody was young and had a good attitude.
It was also so cold, and I was like, can I please have a blanket?
And they're like, we don't have blankets.
And I'm like, all right, so I had to make one of those things where you take your arms and put it inside your shirt and then just make a cocoon and bundle up in a corner because it was so freezing on the plane while they were doing this.
Well, it's wild that just like 400 years ago, people really thought that, or I don't know if they thought this, they were told that the Earth was the center of the universe.
And back then, if you said something, if you came out with some new information that showed that the current model was completely false, they would put you in jail or kill you.
You didn't just accept it.
You weren't allowed to just come out and say, hey, man, I think that we're spinning around it.
And it's one of a bunch of them.
You weren't allowed to say that.
They were like, wasn't Galileo was put under house arrest?
Well, it might have been lack of confidence, actually, because if you acknowledge that, okay, you guys are right, the earth is just this insignificant thing in a much bigger picture, then maybe people go, well, what about the Pope?
Do we still have to pay homage to them, or could that be a typo also, you know?
That's one of the most ridiculous things ever that foreign dignitaries and presidents and prime ministers, they have to sit down and meet with the fucking Pope.
They have to sit down and meet with this cult leader who's dressed like a wizard in a Star Wars episode.
I mean, it's the most ridiculous idea ever that this guy should still be dressing like this in 2012 and we should still pretend that he's holy.
We should still pretend that he's got the Willy Wonka golden ticket to Jesus' fucking factory fuckhouse.
It's unbelievable, man.
It's unbelievable that that still works.
That kind of stuff is preposterous.
That kind of stuff is...
It's not whether or not there's a God.
It's not whether or not the idea of a higher power exists.
Of course it does.
It would be crazy to think that some higher intelligent might be at the end of all this.
Why not?
We are?
Look how much change we enact on our environment and we do it thoughtfully.
We do it whether it's reasonable or not.
We're thinking about it while we're doing it.
Even when you throw garbage in the ocean, you're thinking about it when you do that.
Why wouldn't we assume that there's some sort of an intelligence to galaxies?
Why wouldn't we assume that?
just because it can't talk English?
That's so arrogant.
To me, it's crazy to think that we're the only intelligence just because we can clearly communicate with each other but can't communicate with other things.
Yeah, that's like how they test for intelligence in schools with the SAT test.
So you get somebody who's good at memorizing facts and filling out bubbles, and it doesn't account at all for that person who's truly a genius at painting or at designing websites or doing things that are ultimately much more lucrative than filling out a bubble test.
Well, to some people, you know, certain things have no appeal to them.
They have no desire to do it.
For other people, other people love mowing lawns.
I know dudes who are landscape artists.
They're fucking artists, man.
They put together the plants in the right place, and they arrange the flowers perfectly and cut everything.
And it creates this really nice aesthetic.
Like when a guy does your front lawn, and there's a guy across the street from my house who has like little gnomes and shit, puts all these little things in front of it.
I mean, he's creating like a little work of art out there.
That guy's compelled to do that, man.
Everybody's compelled to do different shit.
The real problem is that we don't recognize that.
We're always trying to push people into areas where they're not compelled.
We're trying to tell people, well, you can't be a professional skateboarder.
I told people I was coming out here to do your show and to do a couple of meetings.
And they're like, so is somebody paying you to go out there?
And I'm like, are you serious?
Like, I'm going to be in front of millions of people.
And that's the first question on your mind is, am I being paid to come out?
And people really think like that.
Like, you ask them to do something, and it's like, well, is this on the payroll?
And you're like, just fucking do it.
It's something important.
You should do it.
Like, there are a lot of people who they want to be in a cubicle and get paid on a time schedule.
And that's all they want.
And if they encounter somebody who's not on that same thought process of, I wonder what my annual salary this year is going to be, then they're confused.
Like, wait a second, why aren't you maximizing your available work hours?
But then there are people who, it's like anything that's coming out of a place of passion or a place of civic duty.
It's like, what is that all about?
Like the TSA, for example, whenever I rant about them on Twitter or on one of my articles on Business Insider, I get a couple of people who always say, they're just doing their jobs.
Leave them alone.
I'm like, that's the justification given for some of the most evil stuff that's been done on this planet.
We're just doing our jobs.
Find a job that doesn't violate people's constitutional rights.
Find a job where you can go home at night and not be embarrassed by what you're doing all day.
And for the money they're making, whatever they're making, it's not enough to just totally infringe on other people's basic rights.
And I feel that way.
It's not all about the money.
It has to be the money and doing something that you're okay with.
It's one of the only, for a lot of people, it's one of the only times where you meet the federal government face to face, representative of the federal government.
And it's normally not a pleasant encounter.
Like you said, they're annoyed.
You're either annoyed or scared.
It could be an awesome experience.
It could be like, wow, the government's looking out for me.
This is efficient.
This is a decent use of tax dollars.
But instead, I get the opposite feeling.
I'm disgusted every time I go through with that.
And it's the same with tourists.
People come to the U.S. and they don't want to come back because if you're a visitor, you get treated even worse.
You're automatically, you get the Kiefer Sutherland treatment.
And they think you're a threat until you prove otherwise.
The thing with al-Qaeda is they really don't seem to try the same thing multiple times.
Like, 9-11 happened.
If we're going to just stick with the official story and not delve into alternative possibilities, which are definitely possibilities based on the research I've done.
But if you're going with the official story, this took them years to plan out.
And it worked not because they were geniuses.
It worked because it's like running up to the biggest kid on the playground and just unexpectedly kicking him in the nuts.
Like, that's going to work because he's not expecting It.
It's not going to work a second time or a third time, but they did something that was totally unexpected, and that's why it worked.
Not because they were brilliant masterminds.
And then they tried something completely different, the underwear bomb or the shoe bomb.
And that's it.
Next time, we shouldn't even be looking at airports.
Honestly, the next threat is going to be something, whatever it is, I would put my money on being something completely different from that.
No, like, right now we're actually trying to build national awareness, so it does involve a lot of internet stuff and doing TV shows and local radio shows.
And that's the best way to hit people.
Like, it makes you sound like you're lazy when you're like, I just do that.
But I mean, we also go out and talk to actual people and shake hands and all that stuff.
But you do that, you're exhausted by the end of the day.
You've talked to some crazy people.
You've only made a difference.
You've made a difference of now 20 people know who you are versus like somebody's like, you want to do a radio show and like, you know, they call your cell phone and you lie and say it's a landline because they call your cell phone and you talk to some dude for 10 minutes and you're like, okay, now 10,000 people in this area know about my campaign.
That's a hell of a lot better than shaking hands with the crazy people.
Like, they'll be like, we have controversial new tweets from Justin Bieber after the break.
You're like, this is really Fox News, or this is really MSNBC, you know?
Or like, Paul Ryan's budget plan might affect us in 10 years.
And you're like, okay, that's fine for a segment, but what about covering the massive protests that are happening around the country that I have to tune into on some live stream site that somebody sends me in an email?
And I see people not much older and not much younger than me getting the shit kicked out of them, especially girls for some reason.
I see a lot of that.
And this is all happening.
I'm like, this is incredible.
And you look at the bottom and it's like 6,000 people watching, 7,000 people watching, 8,000 people watching.
And you're like, any second, this is going to be on CNN.
And I've done this a million times.
You turn on the TV and you're like, okay, say something about the protests.
Not a single word.
And it starts to creep you out.
You're like, maybe they know about this and they're just not saying anything.
Because a lot of people send in tips.
A lot of people tweet CNN and email CNN and email producers there.
Like, I know how to work with TV producers.
And for some reason, those handful of networks just don't want to cover what's happening in this country.
They don't want to cover civil unrest.
They don't want to cover police beating people.
And they don't want to cover anything that Congress has been working on over the past eight months.
Do you think what's happening is that because of the spread of information through the internet, we've realized how they've done business as usual the whole time.
They have denied attention to a lot of really important things, but we didn't have any other way to get the information out.
Like if there's something happening in the Congo, like I didn't know anything about Liberia until I watched A Vice Guide to Liberia.
And I was like, holy shit.
Like what a crazy part of the world this is.
Why didn't I get that from any other sources?
Well, no other sources had it on.
It was not on CNN.
I mean, they wouldn't air a show like that.
It's almost like in them having the power, they ultimately became corrupt.
Even if you have your idea is that you want to do some sort of a news thing.
If you're not monitored, if no one knows, like in the day, now everything is so transparent.
But back then, you weren't monitored.
You put on whatever you wanted to put on, whether the government told you to put on, whatever deals you'd made to put on.
For a lot of people, like, if you can pay your rent and you can watch 100 channels online or on cable, you're constantly entertained.
And as long as you're not starving and as long as you're not bored, you're not going to go out in the streets and protest losing your right to a trial or losing any of these things that we've lost over the past eight months.
Like, if in the 60s or the 70s, if the people found out that, oh, by the way, Kennedy drafted something that would take away your right to a trial and allow him to imprison you on suspicion alone for the rest of your life, people would be like, what?
And it just shows you how when people are in power, when they're in positions of power, they do everything they possibly can to hold it.
And when you sense a trend of this, the trend is information is coming in and people are having much more access to all sorts of things.
And ultimately, the internet is going to represent how people communicate and how people express anything, whether it's voting, whether it's deciding.
I mean, that's how it should be.
It should be polls.
We should be able to figure out how to make each human being have a bio-identifiable characteristic, whether it's looking in their eyes or registering their finger.
Everybody should have that shit on their fucking laptop.
And we should all be able to vote online, because then things would be a whole lot different.
That is the future, and they don't have that yet.
And it's real close.
So these fucking assholes that are running things are just holding on tooth and claw.
And the way they're doing that is by pulling rights away.
And they're doing it under the guise of helping us, which is fucking disgusting.
And I have a theory that I've never said anywhere else before.
But you were talking about how they're taking away rights.
People are kind of wising up and they're no longer tolerating it because information's getting out.
I wouldn't stake my reputation on this, but my theory is that it got to the point with Bush, eight years of Bush, to where they knew that the people just were not having it anymore.
They're sick of funding wars.
They're sick of this Patriot Act stuff.
The whole thing, right?
And then Obama came along, draped in hope and change and very positive message.
And people put their support behind him and thought they were getting something brand new.
And when really he's backed by the same people who backed Bush, essentially the same kinds of interests.
And so you had a couple of years there where people let their guard down.
And meanwhile, the same stuff has been happening, taking away more rights.
The Patriot Act has not stopped being used.
300,000 people have been, around 300,000 people have been served NSLs.
And they might be spying on hundreds of millions of Americans.
So a reader sent this to me, and you always follow tips, regardless of what they are.
I read through this thing.
It's an executive order from Obama.
And I was like, this is bullshit.
This must be made up somehow.
But then I went on the White House website on whitehouse.gov, where they have to publish the executive orders word for word.
I read through it and I was like, whoa, this makes no sense.
He's claiming powers that no president should claim.
The ability to nationalize whole companies or nationalize industries and take personal property and land and really take and do whatever his administration wants.
All they have to do is claim they're preparing for a national emergency.
There doesn't have to be proof that there's a national emergency on the way.
There doesn't actually have to be a national emergency.
The national emergency can just be him declaring that there might be one.
Well, in the NDAA, part of the language is until hostilities end.
So what does that mean?
It's like when there's not a single violent person on the earth who ever commits a crime or turns to violence against innocent people, then we'll stop detaining people without a trial.
And then it gets even worse because then it goes to federal court.
Plaintiffs, including a former war correspondent Chris Hedges, who used to work at the New York Times, and Daniel Ellsberg, who leaked the Pentagon Papers.
These are pretty credible people.
These aren't like quacks, you know.
They filed a court case thinking with the intention of blocking this because they said that NDAA could basically endanger their safety and the safety of any journalist.
You know, if the government doesn't want you talking about something, let's just detain him without a trial.
Problem solved.
And the federal court judge, Catherine Forrest, ruled it unconstitutional.
So, again, it should have stopped there.
But Obama's administration, his lawyers, are now appealing that temporary injunction.
And so, every single step of the way, you're like, wait, if he doesn't want it, why does he keep pushing for it?
Well, what's crazy, though, is that the people who are arresting the people are on the same side as those people.
They're just people that are working.
They're working folks.
The cops and the soldiers, those aren't the people pulling the fucking strings.
The people that are going to have to do the arresting, whether it's military police or whether it's regular police, those are just fucking citizens with jobs.
They're not the power problem.
They're not the people making the actual calls.
That's a small group of people that we could easily overpower.
When I have trouble with the TSA, well, now that I'm running for Congress, it's a little bit better because if they harass me too much, they're actually interfering with the democratic process.
They're making it so that I can't catch my flight and can't go to a fundraiser or can't go to a media interview.
What I worry about is what I actually experience every time, which is I politely opt out of the new screeners because those give off radiation and they've been banned in Europe.
The European Union has banned this kind of scanner because they don't know the long-term health effects of shooting radiation into your body, backscatter radiation.
It's a different form of radiation than chest x-rays, I believe.
I'm not an expert on this, but it's different because it's doing a different thing.
It's taking a photo of basically the outside of you instead of just blasting right through your body to show your bones on an x-ray.
So as a result, it's a different kind of radiation.
And so anyway, these machines freak me out to the point where I don't want my testicles going through that every single time I get on a flight.
So I politely opt out, and there's a sign right there that says, if you'd like to opt out, let us know.
I opt out.
And then you're treated in a way that's not very good.
Yeah, no, and then you get the invasive pat down, where you have to put your arms up by your sides, and you put your arms down after a couple minutes because you're tired, and you've just been on a long, or you're about to get on a long flight.
So the NSA thing, there was a video about this on the New York Times website recently.
It was an amazing video.
It was like eight and a half minutes long, professionally produced, where they interviewed the NSA whistleblower, who everybody's kind of heard something about, but you don't know his actual, you know, what he's saying happened.
And this video lays it all out there.
It's amazing journalism.
I don't know why the New York Times didn't put it on their homepage where it belonged, but it still got out there.
It was on Reddit and all these social media sites.
And they did a good job of showing people that, I'll just boil it down.
This NSA whistleblower, his name is William Binney.
And he was at that agency for 32 years.
And he was actually the technical director there.
So he was pretty high up.
He wasn't like just an analyst or a janitor or something.
He knew what was going on.
And he's about as high up as you can get.
And so he says that after 9-11, the NSA went from using their incredible power to monitor stuff overseas, which is their mandate to do that, tap into satellite phones and tap in overseas internet traffic and all that stuff.
They went from doing that to turning this incredible surveillance weapon against our own people.
And it became a full-blown effort to record pretty much Everything that we're doing here in the U.S. And that includes every citizen who has access to the internet or a cell phone.
And the way they get around this, because it appears to be blatantly unconstitutional, the Fourth Amendment, against unreasonable searches and seizures, they have an interpretation from what the whistleblower was saying in this video or from the article.
They have an interpretation that we're not actually violating your Fourth Amendment rights because we're only taking this information in and storing it in our databases.
We're not actually, there's nobody with a pair of headphones and a computer screen in front of them who's watching you type every email and actually looking through all of your stuff.
We're just saving this.
The problem with that is it's saved and it's tied to your name.
And all they have to do, it's not a big logical leap to think, if you're running for Congress, you might be running on a platform where you want to defund some of these programs, they go, let's look into this guy, you know?
They type in your name, and they suddenly see all of your emails, all of your phone calls, all of your associations, because that's part of what it does.
It does threading and shows your community, who you talk to online, who you call on your cell phone.
Supposedly that's what this thing is capable of.
So it shows them all this information, and they can cherry-pick.
Maybe they go through an email from three years ago where jokingly I said with a friend, yeah, dude, fuck the U.S. You know, and then they just quote that.
They go, should this guy be running for Congress, you know, and like bring bogus charges against you?
There are so many ways they can screw you over when they have access to all of your information.
And so people out there go, they're not watching me.
And that's true.
Nobody with a pair of headphones is listening to your every word on the cell phone.
That's not how this is working.
Instead, it's being archived and giving them tremendous access to screw you over should you become a problem to them.
I think, again, that's a power the government shouldn't have.
That's the only ray of, really the only ray of light here is that this program is so vast and Orwellian, to be honest, if what this whistleblower says is true, it's so vast that it's also archiving information on senators and representatives and FBI agents, people at the very top of government.
And those people don't really want that.
They don't want for some agency that's basically unaccountable to be able to screw them over at any point in the future.
So I think that's kind of the thing there that might save us in the end, is that some powerful people in DC might say, wait a second, this is totally ridiculous.
Well, I had always said that at the end of this technology connection that we have, it's going to rush upon us so quickly that you're not even going to know what hit you.
And then at a certain point in time, there will be no more privacy.
After 9-11, they took one of the programs I had done, or the back-end part of it, and started to use it to spy on everybody in this country.
So that was a program they created called Stellar Wind.
That was separate and compartmented from the regular activity that was ongoing because it was doing domestic spying.
All the equipment was coming in.
I knew something was happening.
But then when the contractors I had hired came and told me what they were doing, it was clear where all the hardware was going and what they were using it to do.
It was simply a different input.
Instead of being foreign, it was domestic input.
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Somebody told me that they can listen to what we're saying by having this even if it's turned off.
Every domain, think of a domain as an activity, a specific type of activity.
Phone calls.
Or banking is another Domain.
So if you think of graphing each domain and then each graph and turning it in the third dimension, the trick now is to map through all the domains in that third dimension, pulling together all the attributes that any individual has in every domain.
So that now I can pull your entire life together from all those domains and map it out and show your entire life over time.
I don't because if what you're saying was possible, it would be revolutionary and people would have a vested interest in preventing that from happening.
I'm not sure how many of you got a chance to hear Keith Alexander yesterday, the head of the NSA, talk about the NSA's activities.
Bill, how do you reconcile, is there some way to reconcile General Alexander's statement that the NSA isn't keeping track of every American with the existence of a facility like the one in Utah?
NSA's charter, and it was a legitimate one, was to do foreign intelligence, and I was with that all the way, and I did the best I could in that job.
Unfortunately, they took those programs that I built and turned them on you, and I'm sorry for that.
I didn't intend that.
But they did that.
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What you're describing really is hard to reconcile with the laws, as the laws are generally understood by the lawyers who work with them.
Most people are familiar with the Webster's definition of intercept.
USID 18 has a different definition, and that's an intercept doesn't take place until it's actually listened to, until somebody puts on some earphones or actually reads some text on a screen.
So you can pull in all the communications you want.
The acquisition isn't the search.
The querying later on is the search.
They can then keep it in their database and target after the fact by going back and conducting data mining searches afterward, in other words, to get the information that they couldn't target from the outset.
So, but they did that, and they came in and pointed a gun at me when I was getting out of the shower at the time, so they pointed a gun right at my old head, you know, and said, hey.
So I told them what the crime was that I knew about.
And that was that George Bush, Dick Cheney, Tennant, and Hayden conspired to subvert the constitution, the constitutional process, and any number of laws.
And here's how they did it.
And I explained Stellar Wind on my back porch to all the FBI agents who weren't cleared.
So they had a problem.
I created a problem for them because they had a bunch of people now who weren't cleared for a very highly classified, only because it was domestic spying, by the way, was the reason it was highly classified.
They wanted to highly classify the extreme impeachable crimes that they were committing.
And the beautiful thing is when he does explain them, I mean, if you listen to that guy talk, when he did explain it to them, I'm sure it made a lot of them question why they were arresting him and question whether or not he was in fact a patriot and not a bad guy.
What if one of your lovely ladies had come in contact with a certain politician who had a very high-ranking position, and this guy just decided that he wanted to bang your wife, so he gets you locked up and put in jail, and you have no recourse.
And he pulls up some email where you said, you know, something crazy, you know, 10 years ago, joking and completely trolling.
But because of the fact that he actually has this written down into your name, they can arrest you.
I was in Ohio, which I forgot how bad the police state in Ohio was.
Like everywhere you go, you saw cops.
On an hour drive from Columbus to Dayton, I had seven cop cars pulled on the side of the road with the guns pointing at your cars, you know, that smooth trap thing.
Seven.
And then one night I was hanging out with Burke Kreischer at his shows.
I did it at a spot.
And I had a couple drinks, you know, at the show.
I was going to go to McDonald's and go to my hotel.
So I go to McDonald's, go through the drive-thru.
I'm going to park my car, you know, to eat it.
And the parking lot was too crowded for McDonald's.
So there was like another parking lot attached to it.
It was like a big boy that was, and it was closed.
So I just pull right through, you know, right out of the drive-thru, right into it, you know, with my lights on, eating my McGriddle.
And suddenly two cop cars, both sides, lights on, like, and they're like, sir, what are you doing in your car?
And I'm like, they're like shining lights on my face.
And I'm like, I'm eating a McGriddle.
You know, and I show it to them out the window.
And they came up to my car and they goes, let me see your license.
And I showed him my license.
And it was just like, holy shit, man.
Like, now what they're going to make me do a drunk test.
And because I had three beers in the last two hours, like, now I'm ready to do UI because I'm sitting here eating a McGriddle.
And then he's asking me all these questions, like, what are you doing?
I'm like, I did comedy tonight at, you know, Funnybone.
And he goes, he's like, oh, how was it?
And I'm like, it was fine.
And he goes, you've been drinking tonight?
And I go, no.
That was the first time I ever said no.
Like, I had three drinks, but I'm like, I'm just going to say no this time because I had McGriddle all over my face.
And I was still eating when he's asking me these questions.
I played it off of like, what the fuck are you doing, dude?
Like, I was like, you know, and so I'm rubbing McGriddle all over my face.
Well, I remember living in Boston and meeting people and walking everywhere.
I mean, I remember when I was a kid from high school on, like, we fucking walked everywhere.
We would walk like miles to the T, to the train to get into Boston.
We would just walk miles.
Kids today don't do that kind of shit.
There's no kids walking miles.
They're texting each other.
They don't have to go and meet each other in person.
They don't have to go and hope they run into each other.
We didn't even have answering machines.
You call people if they weren't home.
Tough shit.
It's been a weird thing for me as a human being to have come of age, to be a teenager with the invention of the answering machine and seeing that and going, wow, I mean, somebody can fucking leave a message and you're not even here?
Like, what a mind-blower that was for me to seeing this video of what kind of information is being and how much they can know about you.
Well, I think that's the other thing about your saying earlier about like, were things really, maybe things were just as bad back then, but we didn't know about it because we didn't have the internet.
I think part of it is maybe they wanted this kind of thing, but they just didn't have the technology to do it.
But it's an example of the ethic that's always been there.
It's the us versus them mentality.
That is accelerating because of the fact there's so much civil uprising around the world.
I mean, we really are getting to this really ridiculous point where, you know, the Mayan apocalypse date of 2012, the December 21st date, it's completely ridiculous that these guys had figured out when the world was going to fall apart.
Yet, how weird is it that the world is fucking falling apart and it's closing in on that day?
Yeah, it's not just that these people shouldn't be corrupt.
It's that when you are corrupt and when you are in a position where you are not looking out for the greater good of mankind, you're ruining the entire process of acceleration.
You're ruining it and subverting it and making it a selfish thing and making all the things that don't get corrected as we move forward.
It's like, say, if you were a little kid and you just decided you were going to shit in the middle of your bedroom because you didn't feel like going to the bathroom.
You have your own choice.
Nobody could tell you what to do.
So you just say, you're five.
You're like, I'm just going to shit right here.
You pull your pants down and shit, and then you make a little pile in your bathroom, and then you always think you're going to clean up, but you never get around to it.
I mean, that's essentially what the human race is to the world.
We're just leaving shit places and just assuming we're eventually going to get to some point we're going to clean it up.
Instead of dealing with it first and foremost, before we start fucking around with the governments in other parts of the world, and before we start fucking around with tapping people's phones, let's figure out a way how to get oil out of the fucking ocean without killing everything.
Let's figure out a way to let the dolphins live and not have shrimp be fucking poison.
Let's figure out a way to not put an entire economy out of work because you fucking assholes wanted to finish your drill early so you use cheaper parts or a less stringent setup.
How about get on that first and then let's invade Iran.
And it's not only like, okay, they're violating our rights and there are creepy implications for how this could be used at some point, but this is a colossal waste of money.
This is billions and billions of dollars and this is only one program that we know about.
We don't know what other creepy programs are out there right now.
And that same amount of money could be used on things where you see a real tangible impact on people's communities.
You can't even put a money, you can't even put a price on the impact you can have, either good or bad.
I had a civics teacher in seventh grade.
He's part of the reason why I'm interested in politics today because he did this crazy experiment that I feel like every teacher should do.
We were in a private school at the time, so you're allowed to get away with more stuff.
In a public school, he probably would have been sued.
But what he did, we walked into class one day.
It just seemed like a normal class, right?
And we walk into class, and he says, okay, if you have brown eyes, if you have brown eyes, sit in the front two rows.
If you have blue eyes, I want you in the back of the room.
And he just segregated us by eye color.
And at first, people were like, okay, this is some kind of joke, you know?
He's just messing around.
And he'd say, you, and call on somebody with brown eyes and give them preferential treatment over the blue eyes.
I think I'm actually messing this up.
I think it was the other way around.
Like, people who have blue eyes.
Dosa is good.
Yeah.
Exactly.
If you looked Aryan, you were in the front.
And if you didn't, you were in the back.
And so he starts asking his questions.
And whenever somebody in the back was asked a question, answered, he'd say, no, that's wrong.
You obviously didn't do the homework last night.
You have to read up.
Even if it was a great answer, and it was starting to fuck with people mentally, where these people were getting better treatment than the people in the back based entirely on eye color.
By the end of that class, there were girls crying and guys too.
People are just slowly trying to stop what is inevitable.
They're clawing at what is inevitable.
And what's inevitable is ultimate accountability for everything, all of your actions.
And then it's eventually going to move from that to being your very thoughts.
There's going to be the next phase of technology unquestionably is going to be some sort of fucking interface where people are going to be able to read each other's minds or communicate without any sort of noise coming out of your mouth.
I think that is 100% coming.
I think we're going to be able to communicate things in visual form as well.
I think you're going to be able to communicate memories eventually.
You're going to be able to lock heads with someone and show them your day.
And I don't think that's outside.
And I think your memory is going to be more phenomenal than the current fucking weird slideshow that you have now.
Blurry images that you barely can remember.
I mean, just what I did today.
If you ask me what exactly happened from the moment you woke up, can you remember every, I remember playing with my kids.
My ex, she was cleaning her ear out, and then the phone rang, so she picked it up, and she shoved the Q-tip in her ear, and just started gushing blood and popping your eardrum.
Well, Terrence McKenna, famously on the big island of Hawaii, had a tropical rainforest garden.
He lived on the rainforest side where it was beautiful up there, man.
The pictures of his home was incredible.
He had this really cool pad he put up there on the island, and it had every psychedelic plant known to man because most of them grow breast in these sort of rainforest environments.
Breast.
Breast.
Yes.
So he had it set up there where he had salvia, he had San Pedro Cactus.
They're all legal.
The plant, whatever it is, the Chicotria viritis that they get ayahuasca from.
All these different plants.
He had them all growing.
They were all totally legal.
And beautiful and fascinating to know that all of these different plants, I mean, even if you just had them as your little plant buddies, you never even smoked them, just kept them in your yard.
There's something kind of dope knowing that you could literally change your consciousness by some shit that's growing next to your house.
It took me over my own head, and I was looking down at myself in these pulsating waves to get a new burst, a new image of me looking from over here, like up and to my right, looking down at me.
And he said when he came back from this 10-minute trip, this Salvia trip, he had remembered everything, but it was just like coming out of a month of visiting your friends or a month of all of a sudden you're here.
I know it doesn't, but I don't think they're all uniform.
I've heard so many, like I said, mine was so simple.
I definitely didn't have enough because it was just me.
It was me above me.
It was weird images of me looking down on me.
It was nothing.
I didn't learn shit from it other than like, this is weird.
But everybody that I know that's had like big ones had taken like big, big experiences.
I know I didn't get a big enough hit, but I could imagine if it could do that with like the little baby hit that I had where I wasn't even doing it right.
Apparently you need like one of those blowtorch lighters.
Especially the tea, because who knows how your body is going to process it, whether it's going to process it differently because it's going through the liver and the digestive system as opposed to just going right into the bloodstream with a smoke.
You can't protect the world from idiots, Brian, because then it keeps stuff from you and I. Right, but at least think it should have some kind of 21-year-old rating at least or something.
And listen, this is not like saying that it's a good idea for everybody to do these things because it's not.
I know a lot of people that can barely handle regular reality and they should not be fucking with salvia or anything.
So to say that everything should be legal, people should also have people looking out for them.
People should also have people that they can turn to to be educated on your own choices.
But I know people that take mushrooms for a goof.
They just take it for fun.
And guess what?
There's nothing wrong with that.
But I think we should have some, if we're going to be an honest society about substances and their effect on people, we've got to be honest about the positive stuff too.
You've got to be honest not just in people jumping out a window, which is possible, but you've got to also be honest about people who go on mushroom trips and become much better people.
And that's like a real legitimate phenomenon that's been documented in the John Hopkins study, that people have changed their personality for the better because of one intense mushroom trip that they had, where they experienced profound love and connectivity and all things that people like me and my friends that have had psychedelic experiences have all relayed.
Everybody relays the same thing.
It changes who you are.
It changes the fundamental direction in which your life is going.
And if we as a culture don't recognize that that is a potential tool to help all of us, including the people that are in extreme positions of power, they would have a better life if they embrace this shit as well.
And really be looking out for the interests of the interests of the people.
And there's reward in that.
You only need a certain amount of money, you corrupt cunts.
You're caught up in a wave of addiction.
And that addiction is to numbers.
Because after a certain while, money doesn't mean anything.
You forget it.
It is nice to have a nice car.
It is really nice to live in a place where you can come home and you have a nice couch to sit in and a nice TV to watch and a nice kitchen to cook your food and a nice bed to sleep in.
The ego behind wanting to have such a big house to represent you is like Vander Holyfield, when he was the heavyweight champion, built this enormous mansion in Atlanta and he couldn't keep it up.
He wound up, I don't know if he wound up losing it or what, but I remember he was in severe financial straits because it was over a million dollars a year just to run this place.
Just to run it.
A million dollars a year.
Like, ah!
To keep your fucking lights on and to keep the electricity working.
It's craziness.
People that are in that sort of a job, if you're in the job of being like a Goldman Sachs sort of a guy and you have a house like that, it should be evidence of a sickness.
Someone should come along and go, wait, why do you have Picasso in your house?
Why do you have all this shit?
What are you doing with all this shit?
You just, you're obsessed with acquiring more and bigger shit.
You want a bigger private jet.
And that would be fine if it wasn't for you being in the position that you're in.
You being in a position where you get to manipulate the fucking market and literally change the economy with your corruption and then get rewarded with a taxpayer bailout.
Well, it's also like the role of that person has changed.
Now he's isolated in his huge 30,000 square foot mansion away from normal people.
I think just a generation ago, I mean, I'm only basing this on some stuff I've read and Mad Men, which is not accurate at all.
I mean, just basing it on what I've heard from my parents and what I've read about, if you were the CEO of a company, you also felt like you had some kind of role within the community.
You didn't want to be known as a scumbag or like whoever the Enron guy was.
That wasn't the end goal was to con thousands of people out of their retirements.
You're supposed to be this kind of innovator that people respected.
And yeah, you made more money than that.
Yeah, exactly.
Like you were making more money than them because you're actually doing more and making it happen.
But at the end of the day, you didn't want to just conn everybody and live hundreds of miles away from them.
And although I agree with you, it seems like it's not the best use of our resources, especially when you have the absolute smartest people out of college getting recruited to these firms instead of going to NASA or going into medicine or any of these other fields.
But to play Devil's Advocate, a few hundred years ago, we explored the whole world and did a lot of crazy stuff over spices.
And today spices are taken for granted.
You know, you walk over to Target and buy some spices.
But back then, they would conquer people.
They would build ships.
They would chart out the whole globe with these sophisticated maps, stuff that had never been done before, all about bringing spices back.
And maybe today, like, yeah, it's bullshit that these guys on computers are fighting each other for imaginary money.
But maybe at the end of the day, it's also improving our technology in ways that we haven't anticipated.
I read an article about that, that trading now is so high frequency that they have companies that build private radio networks just to get the trade out there like a tenth of a second faster.
I read a Matt Taibbi article on the actual derivative economy being something like 10 times larger than the, you know, the speculative economy is 10 times larger than the actual economy.
And then it's like, well, what about the $700, if you're a working couple, it's something like $700 a month of the money you pay in taxes is going to war effort and all that stuff?
It's like, why aren't you protesting about these things?
Is it something where if it doesn't immediately affect your purchase at Starbucks, you're not willing to talk about it?
But if you can see it so tangibly that you're like, fuck, there's $5 less of my account, then you go out and you're like, no, we're switching to a credit union.
Nowadays, a bank run doesn't look like what you see in the movies.
It's not people running to a bank branch and demanding their money.
It's people log on to their bank account, click, you know, out of Bank of America, into my Chase account, boom, enough people do that.
The bank is no longer solvent.
So some people wondered if they were trying to slow that outflow until they could figure out a policy.
Like, do we need to say we're not going to charge the $5 fee?
Or, you know, and then to go conspiracy on you, one dude even said that they're preparing, they're testing it out to see how would we stop an actual bank run in modern times.
And the best way to do it would be just shut down your mobile banking access, shut down your website access, or slow it to the point where it's difficult to do stuff, and you don't have as many people taking out money.
It's one thing if a bank has an outage, because that does happen, but the timing was so perfect.
It's like, if I were a big bank and a lot of people were just, if I were just being hemorrhaged right now, all these people withdrawing, maybe I would turn off my website for a little while.
I like the thing about gold, how when somebody hands you a gold coin, not that I've never actually made that much money where somebody hands me a gold coin.
But when you look at one in a store and they hand it to you, it has weight.
the ancient Sumerian text is like this cuneiform text that was written on clay tablets and it's this really odd ancient language from about six thousand years ago where it looks like They don't have a perfect form.
So anyway, this is this weird series of lines, and it's all subject to interpretation.
It's really difficult stuff to decipher.
But this one guy, Zacharias Hitchin, who's a legitimate biblical scholar and ancient linguist, he said that the entire thing was about the Anunnaki and that the Anunnaki were an alien race that created us.
Like the engineer in the movie Prometheus.
Like this was his idea of the Anunnaki.
They were these giants that created us by mixing their DNA with primate DNA.
And that all of this was so that they could make us work for them and mine gold.
Because they needed gold particles to suspend in their atmosphere to protect them from the radiation.
So it's really difficult to argue with him, although many other legit scholars do argue with him and completely disagree with his translations of it.
But what his translation, what got really weird was, he wrote this in like 1970s.
In the 2000s, 2005 or 6 or something like that, they had some sort of a scientific symposium where they were trying to figure out what are their alternative methods of protecting people from radiation if we lose part of our atmosphere, like ozone layers and stuff like that.
And they came up with suspending reflective particles in the atmosphere.
Well this Zacharias Hitchin guy certainly was no scientist in regards to how to deflect radiation.
That wasn't his area of expertise.
So him coming up with this as a translation from a 6,000 year old text that was written on clay tablets is quite remarkable.
He's saying something that scientists figured out 30, 40 years later.
And what he's saying is that reflective particles suspended in the atmosphere can protect you from radiation.
Well the thing about gold is gold is unlike any other metal.
And this is not something that you would need back in the day when you were fucking herding and you had a need a good metal that you can make a sword out of where you can kill people.
Gold wasn't useful in that way.
But what it is useful and you could take gold dust and a small piece of gold can make an incredible amount of this ultra-fine dust.
And if gold has bizarre, almost magical properties where you can take one piece of gold and coat an incredibly wide surface with it.
The reason why I lean towards that and not 100%, I mean, I don't agree with it or disagree with it, but I don't reject it as an idea simply because of the fact that the only thing that's like us is dogs.
The only thing that's like us that can vary so widely by the way it looks is humans.
We're the only thing that's like a dog.
Dogs vary incredibly, man.
You can have mastiffs, chihuahuas.
Yeah.
Because they were like, they were designed.
We made them.
They vary because of human intervention.
And, I mean, maybe it's what came first, the chicken of the egg.
Maybe human innovation came and then people varied drastically.
Or when they were fucking created, they made a bunch of different versions of them.
They tried a little bit of this.
They went with like Asians probably have a little more alien in them.
Just a touch, just a smidge.
I'm Italian.
I probably have a little more monkey.
You know?
They probably, and by the way, this is not racist to Asians because it's better, I think, probably to be more evolved.
It's better to have a little less monkey.
So it's actually racist against myself.
So I don't want any fucking Twitter beef over this.
I remember going through school and you read the textbooks about Columbus and all this basic shit.
Not once in those textbooks do they mention, oh, by the way, there are some random cities in South America built in a way that really doesn't make sense to that time period.
And they're so far, I don't have the numbers in my mind right now, but they were so distant to everything else that it's like, we don't have any idea of what that is.
Yeah, well, not only that, there's thousands of them.
They're finding new ones in the jungle all the time.
I mean, it was an incredible civilization that existed just a couple thousand years ago.
The Mayan civilization wasn't even that long ago.
And we know so little about what really happened.
It's an amazing, amazing time.
I watched a great documentary on National Geographic called Decoding the Maya.
It's available.
I bought a DVD of it.
And it's all about them working on the translations of the different Mayan hieroglyphs and how difficult it is and trying to decipher things and the way they go about it and the scientific method they use to try to figure out what the fuck each little thing means.
Fascinating stuff.
I mean, they had a completely different way of writing the world.
They wrote the world in pictures and pictures that represented sounds that you would make.
And it would vary whether or not that sound was like, you know, like if you had, like they would, like, the way it's explained, Terrence McKenna explained it, like, if you were going to write I Saw Ant Rose, you would do an eyeball, a saw like saw, and then you would do the insect ant, and then you would do a rose.
We took that dude to the depths of hell, unfortunately, because it made the conversation kind of weird because he was a little hungover from the Grammys.
But that motherfucker went deep with us.
Respect, sir.
Respect.
I got respect for you.
I could tell how high he was, too.
Because I know, unless you're getting this shit on a regular basis, the kind of marijuana that's available in Southern California is so potent and awesome and should be respected for that instead of suppressed by this ridiculous fucking DEA and government being so silly.
I'm not trying to pander to your show because I know you know you talk about this a lot, but like we can't move forward as a country if we're spending so much of our resources on criminalizing something that it's not a crime.
Not only that, something that's incredibly beneficial.
We're suppressing farmers' ability to make money.
A farmer's ability to make money, by the way, not off selling drugs, we're talking about the actual plant hemp, which is not psychoactive in any way, shape, or form.
It is not.
You won't show, you can eat it.
We sell hemp protein, hemp forced protein.
One of the biggest questions we get is, am I going to piss hot for this?
And I'm so offended at this idea that no one can handle drugs.
I find that so ridiculous.
That just because one person can't handle it or a few people can't handle it doesn't mean I can't handle it because drinking is one of the worst fucking drugs there is, period.
And the idea that I would somehow or another lose control because I've tried something or because I enjoy something in my off time is silly.
If you don't give a person enough respect as your employee that they will go home and sit down in front of the TV and smoke a joint when they relax at home, if you don't give them enough respect to have that time to themselves to maybe smoke a little weed and chill out when they're not riding on the company dime, they're not responsible for anything, you're going to test them for that.
Yeah, you can't tell people what to do when they're not at work.
It's one thing if you're on one of those offshore oil rigs, and then you're basically on the job 24 hours a day because anything can go wrong at any time.
I understand having a zero tolerance policy there, but for some office job where you have a large portion of your day where you're not working, you should be allowed to do what you want, especially when you're using something that has not killed a single person ever.
Yeah, these civilian drone strikes, depending on who you listen to, there's a couple different figures that they throw around, but all of them are over 1,000.
From the conservative numbers, the conservative numbers are around 1,800, and the less conservative numbers are above 2,000.
But either that, I mean, all of that, it's scary stuff.
That's like 9-11 numbers.
I mean, this is the amount of innocent civilians that are killed because we're going after these bad guys, and these people just have to be near him.
They don't happen to be near him, allegedly.
There is, I agree completely, there's something crazy about the ability to take some random object, some created object rather, and fly it through the fucking air to another country, and it launches hellfire missiles at people while you're controlling it with a remote control, like you're watching a video game.
And what's so weird about that also is like, so as a society, we're making a choice to devote a lot of our technological energy and definitely taxpayer money to building better drones because these big defense contracts get them.
And so we're learning ways to vaporize 16-year-olds in a more efficient manner, basically.
These people who are like, you're in some town in Afghanistan, you have no other choices because there's no economy.
And some warlord recruits you and you're caught up in something that's definitely evil, but you don't have much control over necessarily.
And without being given a trial, you're just killed one day by a robot.
Basically, that's what it is, a robot in the sky.
I think Bill Maher calls them sky robots.
So you're killed by this thing.
And maybe if we need to give huge contracts to defense companies because they lobby the shit out of Washington, if that's just the way it is no matter what, we always have to give them massive contracts, why not go back to what we were doing in the 60s, which was part of those massive contracts for going to the space program.
You know, these companies put us on the moon instead of building drones.
Well, just cleaning up the inner cities, just strengthening our education system.
There's all sorts of jobs that can be had that are very positive.
Instead of these jobs that all go to the DEA and busting pot farms, these jobs that all go to TSA workers grabbing people and sticking them in radiation boxes.
It seems to me like we should be able to figure out a way to distribute all those people in a positive way back into our economy, back into our workforce.
What scares me is when these videos come out of police just beating the shit out of somebody for no reason.
And you wonder, like, how many times is this happening where the right conditions weren't there, where there happened to be somebody who had the balls and the camera to actually film it, you know?
So there's like these punk people and these breakdance people got into a fucking crazy brawl.
And the cops come and showed up in paddy wagons.
And he said he had never seen anything like it.
Dudes were just swinging those bats and cracking people in the head because there's no video.
No one's monitoring them.
He said they would crack people in the head.
He goes, the sound was so sickening.
And then they would take their head and slam it into the paddy wagon before they go in.
Everyone just slammed their fucking head into the metal and then tossed them in.
He said it was so disturbing that like watching it.
He never looked at cops the same way again.
Just watching them just get cracked in the head by bats and then slam their head into the metal and then push them in because they were involved in a big brawl.
And that was back when people had brawls where they didn't shoot each other.
Allegedly some of those Occupy protesters, they like would handcuff them in a way that's painful using the plastic cuffs.
And they shoved them all into vans and they were in there for so long that they were forced to urinate on each other.
Even like they were denied access to a bathroom when they asked for one.
And you hear about this all the time, where they're doing the handcuffs so hard that people are screaming for them to be fixed, and they just don't care.
You have a protest that's peaceful and isn't harming the community, and you have exactly, you have taxpayer money going into turning this into a violent, disorderly thing.
So you can bust people who would not have been an issue in the first place?
You have a lot of people who believe that 9-11 was like the opportunity of a lifetime.
You know, get a better position within the government, make a shitload of money on these crazy contracts, doing spying programs and putting body scanners in airports and all this stuff.
A lot of people made money off of this.
And I consider that quite un-American to profit off of a tragedy like that.
You'd go to jail for something much less horrible than that.
If you just knew that a company was going to fold and you sold your stock, that seems like a smart business move, but that's completely and totally illegal.
If this motherfucker had the access to this entire giant business that rebuilt things after you, and he was the guy running it, and then he gives them contracts, no-bid contracts for billions and billions of dollars, that is so blatant and in your face and so crazy.
But isn't it weird that we're now at the point where our government really is doing so many terrible things that we see tanks and our first thought is, are they going to use these against us?
Can you imagine that?
Can you imagine in World War II, like you see a line of tanks, you'd be like, hell yeah.
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The real problem is like, I hope they don't use this against us.
Yeah, when you have a few people running these fucking things by remote control, they can take over cities and do a lot of shit that's impossible to do when you don't have an evil cunt behind the switch.
But if they just have a few dudes working somewhere pushing all the buttons for these fucking things.
They have the synthetic police where they just turn that thing on and they all go out and I think we're going to fuck things up way before that ever happens.
Knowing this is drones and knowing all the thousands of people that have died that were totally innocent because of the drones, knowing the fact that no one seems to have a problem with that because we don't know those little brown people.
Our whole policy is like, okay, we can send them some school supplies and occupy their country with our military forces for a few years, and then they're going to have democracy.
It's just going to spring up.
Those people are like literally a thousand years behind where we are.
Literally.
It's like Tatooine in Star Wars.
They're not there yet.
There are certain bridges that need to be built.
You don't just go from localized warlords in this creepy desert that has insane-looking spiders.
But we know that that's possible, and that's what's really disturbing about human nature.
And that in 2012, we have direct evidence that people who are in positions of power are capable of doing something that fucked up.
And if you really believe that people are all the same, the only difference is we have different cultures and different environments and different biological makeups and different ways we look, but essentially people are equal.
Well, in 2012, people are cutting people's heads off for nonsense.
That's what people in power are capable of doing.
And we've got to look honestly And realistically, about the people that are in power right here, because just because you could drive a sob and go to Starbucks and get Wi-Fi at work, just because all that's going on, doesn't mean you're not living in a den of monsters.
Yeah, and not only that, just because you have those good things, you have a safe town, and you have Starbucks and like a level of prosperity that's really pretty good.
When we think about America, we think about all the good things about America.
And not only will none of that change, it will all be enhanced.
Exactly.
More people will be providing more positive things into the city.
Instead of our cities and our countries and our states being governed by this giant fucking monster that goes overseas and blows shit up.
Instead of that, all of the tax money, all of the resources go to building shit.
Go to building shit within here, this country, making this place better, cleaning up all the bullshit that all these fucking corporations have left behind in terms of toxic waste poisoning and figuring out how to manage nuclear waste.
All of it here, though, all of it.
To this nonsense where our whole economy is based on fucking people out of their shit in another place.
I would never be a part of this system because this system is bullshit.
To me, this system is like, you might as well go to the Rocky Horror Picture Show and pretend because you're singing along that you're actually in the movie because you're not really changing what's going to happen.
You're not really a part of it.
This system is completely fucked sideways with corruption.
And for you to jump in and try to write the ship from the inside, but man, good luck to you.
I'm in your corner, dude.
You're going to try to do it, and you're going to run for Congress, and I want to support you, and I want you to win, and I want you to get into the positions where you can actually make some change.
But in order to do that, man, that has to be literally your whole life.
That has to be your whole life.
Just to correct the work of some cunts.
Instead of telling the cunts to stop being cunts, just get your own shit together.
The people that are in the upper positions of power that must be fucking creepy paranoid and depressed and weirded out and on kalonopin and all kinds of other fucking weird drugs to get you through your day and Xanax and Ambien to go to sleep at night.
Do you know how many successful, wealthy people in business I know that are addicted to Ambien?
They're popping that shit every night to try to get some sleep.
Because they can't, because they're crazy.
Because they're dealing with all kinds of nonsense all day and fuckery afoot every step of the way.
And they literally can't even fucking sleep.
They can't relax.
And everybody goes through this existential crisis where you're like, what the fuck is this all about?
And instead of pulling all these girls they used to pull, they have to feel so virile by passing this shit that is ridiculous, like just totalitarian stuff.
I think a small part of it is like if you're getting sex regularly and you have a balanced life that also involves friends and family and doing stuff that has nothing to do with politics or with building drones or any of that stuff, why would you even be in favor of these things?
You're not going to be in that direction of, let's start a war to make some money or let's take away rights just to be on the safe side.
If you're operating from a position of comfort and power and empowerment, you feel yourself that you're doing what you should be doing and you're very confident about everything.
You're not going to try to suppress other people.
And that's the problem with old people.
A lot of old people want to suppress young people.
It's very common.
They see people coming up and they shit on them.
You know, I remember that from the comedy days, you know, the older comedians.
There was two types of older comedians.
There was a really cool, encouraging guys who would tell you, hey, you got to write more.
You should go to as much on stage as you can get, the better, and give you good advice.
Good luck, man.
And if you ever have questions, I'm here.
And those guys are great.
Those guys, you meet a guy like that, they're like a life raft.
But there's other guys who just see you coming up and they just want to push you down and shit on you.
They want to hold you in place.
And they act like they can.
This guy, I don't want him working with me.
He says fuck too much.
He breaks the fuck meter.
Like, why are you, ugh, you creepy dick?
But that's the same thing.
It's just crabs in a bucket.
They're just trying to hold people down.
And when you get to a position where you're a guy like that, where you're a guy like Newt Gingrich and they go, hey man, boxers are briefs.
You go, what kind of idiotic question is that?
You think, I'm not going to answer.
What are you, stupid?
You know, and then you just berate some poor kid who just asked you a cute question about your underwear.
Like that response to a reporter, Mitt Romney did something similar.
He was in Colorado and a TV reporter, not even like a random person, a TV reporter asked him something about marijuana policy, which in a state like Colorado, where it's a big part of their economy, is not a crazy question.
And he was like pissed that it was asked and didn't want to address it.
I can't believe out of 314 million people, that's our current population, that the best we can come up with is Obama, who has a record now of promoting things that the Bush administration would not have even done.
Like there was a former Bush administration official said that NDAA was something that their administration would not have tried and would not have even found acceptable.
And so you have Obama doing these things, so we know where he stands.
Then we have Mitt Romney.
And those are our two best choices out of all the talent and energy in this country.
And the answer is, of course, those aren't our best choices.
Those are the people who are put forward.
You know, Mitt Romney, I had no part in him becoming our pick.
Most people didn't have a say in that.
And it just happened.
And I mean, there were better choices out there, and they weren't given enough attention.
When it's influencing policy, then I have to look at all the other things.
When you want to infringe upon other people's rights, and yet you believe in some wackiness, that has to be brought into the equation now.
As long as you keep it to yourself, we're cool.
As long as you don't fuck with people and you really go by the way this country was initially founded, the separation, the true separation of church and state, because people were coming here because they face religious persecution in other lands.
And they said, listen, let's just work it out so we keep that shit out of this.
The only problem that I ever have with someone who is in a, we call it a cult or a religion or anything like that, like being a Mormon, is that you're so committed to it.
It's not that I don't think that Mormonism can help you and make you a better person, because like I said, I know really nice people that are Mormons.
It's just if you're willing to believe that, what else do you believe?
How much is that going to affect your choices?
What kind of weird apocalyptic shit could somebody put into your head?
If you really, truly do believe that a 14-year-old boy from 1820 found golden tablets that contained the lost work of Jesus and that the American Indians were actually a tribe that came here from Israel.
Well, not a lot of 14-year-old kids that aren't completely full of shit.
And once they start talking about angels dropping off packages of gold and then taking them away before the people could come and read them, they have magic stones to look at them with.
Like, this isn't even well written.
It's like, this is crazy.
If someone tried to say that today, there's no way you would listen to them.
Maybe there's someone who was on the plane who was praying that's taken full credit for it.
It was one of the horrible things about the Carlo Rado thing.
It was a guy who was claiming that the reason why he was spared and all these other people, including young children, were killed, is that he was spared to let people know how great God is.
They suck, man, especially when you realize that there's probably some really cool people that got shot and this asshole thinks that the reason why they got shot and he didn't is because he was thinking the right things.
And he was hoping to God that he could spread God's word.
Like, come on, man.
How about you got lucky and it's a shame that this cunt killed all these people?
You know, the most compelling idea about alien life to me is that alien consciousness is creativity.
And that it's creating our society by planting the seed of creativity in the modern animal, the modern monkey animal, and forcing it to eventually pursue its doom.
That it has to.
That it is absolutely compelled to fuck with matter to the point where it seals its own doom.
And that it's like a built-in program in us.
And that it's to design, that's how you blow up planets.
Well, I mean, it all comes from our desire to understand our surroundings better and our desire to improve.
But why is that?
If we ultimately are temporary beings, shouldn't we stop at a certain point and say, all we need is food and all we need is comfort and let's just enjoy our camaraderie while we're here and get through this thing in a very healthy and spiritual way.
We're like, no, not interested in that.
Interested in a bigger fucking TV and I want some pills that make me sleep at night.
And is there a way I can get the internet on my glasses?
I want to look through my fucking glasses and read my email.
Well, not only that, then you become a fat fuck and a loser.
Because that's what happens to people when they give up on trying.
They get fat and they get stupid and they quit and they just lay around and do nothing until they die.
That's someone who's not enjoying their life.
They've rested on their laurels.
It's weird to be temporary.
It's a weird feeling.
We don't like it.
That's why religion exists in the first place.
It's almost like a scaffolding to sort of get us through it while we're constructing some new level of consciousness.
It's like, let me just give you some shit to think about.
This is what's going to happen.
The really promising feeling that you get from psychedelic drugs is that what you experience is so stupendously alien to what you experience on an everyday, day-to-day basis that it gives you hope for some really complex structure to the universe that's unavailable to you when you're in a straight and normal form and state of consciousness.
And that there might be chemical doorways to different dimensions and chemical doorways to different experiences.
And that's essentially what your whole neurochemistry and your whole life is based on.
You're a series of chemicals.
Adrenaline when shit goes wrong and you need to fight or flight.
You know, serotonin when you have babies and dopamine when you see people that you love and you go outside and it's sunny.
And there's all sorts of chemical releases that are constantly going on that bring you to altered states of consciousness.
And we know that the brain produces some very extreme psychedelic chemicals.
So it just stands to reason to me that this idea that the only thing that's real is some shit that you can touch with your hands and that this dimension and this experience is the only thing that's real because it's what we're conscious of and what we're involved in right now.
I say no fucking way.
I say it's much more likely that this thing is way more complicated than we can even imagine and that we are silly little ants walking around on a dog's ass trying to describe the universe.
Vorce.
It would be much better if I didn't fuck up that last word.
I think it's weird that like old societies, the people that they look to for advice and for counsel were like shamans who knew the most about taking these kinds of journeys.
And also they had in ancient Greece they supposedly had the oracle and they were from what I understand under the influence of some kind of psychedelic drug which helped them come up with their prophecies or whatever.
So this is where people look to and today our leaders are the people who know the least about these things.
Like a guy like Paul Ryan who claims that he's never smoked.
Most people have either thought about, I have seen that.
And I've seen people who have become very successful and are adamant against any form of drug.
They have never had a drop of alcohol.
They have never had marijuana.
And I respect them greatly for that choice because what that choice is for them is that they don't want to go down the path, that they have seen their own loved ones go down.
So those things are the enemy.
Those substances, although maybe they could handle it and maybe they couldn't, to them, those substances are weak and those are the enemy.
I'm like, is he involved in this olive garden prank as well?
Yeah, that's our safe word.
I mean, that's what you do.
But it's very emotional for a lot of guys, especially when they first start doing it.
It really freaks them out.
They don't like it at all.
I've had guys that, like, the first time they've ever done jiu-jitsu and you see them hyperventilate, like a guy gets on top of them.
They panic because they think that they're about to get got, and they've never had that happen to them before.
Once it happens to you a few times, once you do it a bunch of times, and then you get used to doing it to other people, and then it becomes an accepted, normal part of your everyday life, and you're not terrified of the struggle.
The struggle becomes a struggle.
It just becomes reality.
It becomes a part of reality instead of something you're absolutely, completely terrified of.
So in getting through that, you develop some character.
You develop some ability to overcome adversity and you develop the ability to overcome very uncomfortable moments.
But you don't have to do it just through jiu-jitsu.
You can do that shit through yoga.
You know, yoga sounds ridiculous, but yoga positions are really fucking hard to hold, man.
And if you give up in the middle of the position, you feel like a bitch.
You feel like, all right, I'm going to go back to it.
And then you'll try to hold it again.
But you gave up.
You could have hung in there.
And you could have waited until the lady says next.
She can do it.
How come you can't do it?
You can't do it because you haven't pushed yourself to the position where you can do it.
And once you do push yourself, when you can do it, then you have this wave of accomplishment and this feeling and this understanding like, oh, it's difficult to do shit.
Everything doesn't come easy.
And the things that come easy, they aren't shit.
The things that you really enjoy, the things that are really fucking hard to do.
And unfortunately, we have a lot of people that are running shit that don't have control of their character.
They have not done difficult things.
They have not tested their ego.
They have not broken their will.
They have not been broken in training.
They have not developed a real character.
What they've developed is a sort of a fake personality that they have devised that society wants and will accept.
So they're saying all the right things because those right things make people think, I like you, Mike.
You're a good Christian and you hold that milk like a 1950s commercial.
You know what I mean?
I mean, they become something they think people would like to hear.
We need an economy where a man gets credit for starting his own business.
Perspective-wise, and they also do because the release of endogenous psychedelic chemicals that happen in a near-death experience.
People in near-death experiences have some really fucking vivid hallucinations that, by the way, mirror the ones where they've injected people with dimethyltryptamine, which is a chemical that your brain produces when you're dreaming.
So they've injected people with dimethyltryptamine, and they also have these intense psychedelic experiences that were very similar to experiences that people had.
Yeah, that people had during near-death experiences, where people saw the bright light and they went through the tunnel and they cut to another side.
All of that shit mirrors and mimics the experiences that are repl you could replicate them with psychedelic chemicals that the brain makes.
So all of it points to that there's a lot of different things that can happen to a person where they get a fresh perspective.
And a near-death experience is one of them for a variety of reasons.
Just perspective, the fact that it was almost over, man.
Maybe I need to rethink my life.
Not even just for the high that you get from those chemicals flooding your brain, but both, both, both of them together.
But I think you need to do something in life, man.
People need a quest.
They need a vision.
They need something that tests their character and in a way that doesn't hurt other people.
And if it, you know, even if you hurt, well, you know, you mean you hurt other people through competition, but that's sort of a voluntary thing.
Like if you engage in martial arts competition, you're going to hurt people, but they're going to hurt you too.
But you will also grow.
And you will also grow from it because it's so fucking difficult.
And the body can heal.
And it's worth it in terms of what it can do for your character.
It can develop your character in ways that are really unavailable for people who are not tested.
And it doesn't mean tested, necessarily tested physically.
It could be tested mentally.
It could be a meditation thing.
It could be getting over various aspects of understanding of yourself, exploring the mind.
It could be a bunch of different things, but you've got to be tested in this fucking life.
Like real legitimately tested.
You can't just jump into a fucking party of douchebags that are currently running shit and act like they want you to act.
And then all of a sudden you're in some position of power and you're some weird Mitt Romney character who probably doesn't even know who the fuck he is.
Well, Michael Rupert is a friend of the show, and he's been on it a couple of times.
Michael Rupert was a cop in the 1980s during the whole Iran-Contra affair, who went on television and exposed that the CIA is selling drugs in south central Los Angeles.
And he exposed the whole thing.
And, you know, this is a guy who was a fucking former narcotics officer.
And he saw them selling it.
He was like, you know what?
Fuck this.
This is crazy.
I'm out of here.
And he did do what he should do in William Benny.
Right, like William Benny, exactly.
But much like William Benny, his life is in chaos since then.
I mean, to run around like this guy, this poor mathematician, and get guns put in your face, for what exactly?
So Wikileaks, in one of their latest batches of emails, has a bunch of correspondence within this company called Stratfor, which is a private intelligence firm.
It's kind of like the privatized version of the CIA.
And I think the CIA would be offended by that comparison because Stratfor seems a lot less competent than the CIA.
But Strat4 is just this private intelligence company.
They gather information for a variety of clients, like private corporations.
I think Coca-Cola has used them before.
Just gather information on whatever they need.
Don't hold me too Coca-Cola, but I'm pretty certain they've used them.
They have big clients, big Fortune 500 companies, and they get data and do all this stuff.
Anyway, in the emails that the Stratfor executives are sending back and forth, a lot of confidential stuff was revealed about all kinds of things that the public is not supposed to know about.
And one of those was a company called Trapwire, which developed a computer algorithm that basically tracks people using public surveillance cameras.
That's the best way to describe it.
Using things like gait recognition, the way you walk.
It can potentially recognize you from one spot to the next, and it can flag you for suspicious behavior.
But you don't know what the suspicious behaviors are.
They think it could be something like just taking photographs of a landmark that flags you into the system, or signaling for your family to come over so that they can take a photo with you, things like that, or just loitering in an area for too long.
So this computer program, it's not a person with judgment.
This computer algorithm decides you're a suspicious individual and a threat, and then puts you into their system and profiles you.
And then when you go somewhere else, like let's say you're initially flagged somewhere in the state of Texas, then a couple months later you're on vacation in New York, one of the subway cameras in New York can re-identify you and build a file of where you've been, and predict your behavior, possibly even predict where you might go next based on where you've been.
Just another way the government and private corporations might be tracking people without their approval.
I mean, this is a clear violation of the Fourth Amendment.
And this dude, by the way, they're trying to get him out under this most ridiculous charge of surprise sex, right?
That's what it is.
What it is, is he had sex with a woman, and I guess the alleged story is that he did it with a condom on, and then they were lying in bed together with no condom, and he stuck it in again.
They're willing to, like, that's going after this guy, a woman that he actually had sex.
Yeah, it was a douchebag move.
I mean, if she wanted to wear a condom and you did, I mean, that's a douchebag move for sure.
But you're going to have this gigantic manhunt for him where he has to hold himself up in a fucking embassy to avoid extradition to this country.
And it just so happens that he's the guy that releases all this information that shows helicopters gunning people down the street, mistaking them for terrorists.
Yeah, well, the thing with WikiLeaks, when they reveal stuff that potentially compromises informants and gets innocent people killed, I haven't seen a single instance of that actually happening, but that argument has been made.
And when that is done, I'm not okay with it.
That is wrong to put innocent people in harm's way.
You're releasing information that should not be in the public eye.
In terms of releasing that video of innocent people being gunned down and children being shot full of lead, that video, and then this thing about Trapwire, I think these are things that are in the public interest, very much so.
I like to know that all these new surveillance cameras going up in towns and cities, because there are a lot of them now that were not there a couple years ago, that many of these could be plugged into Trapwire.
That's useful public information.
That's what the media used to do.
In a previous generation, it would be like Walter Cronkite or Edward Murrow telling you about this.
It would not be Julian Assange on his WikiLeaks forum, you know?
So I think in some regards what he's doing is at the forefront of journalism.
And it's funny you brought up the specific charge that Sweden is trying to get him on.
Because I've said stuff on Twitter before.
I've said like what I just said now about how I think that's journalism.
You put something out there that's tremendously important to the public and that is being covered up and not known.
That's journalism.
And somebody said, why are you defending a rapist like Julian Assange?
And I said, first of all, that's not even the charge.
He's not being charged with rape.
So get your facts straight.
And second of all, since when does alleging that somebody did something, that means they're automatically guilty, it doesn't matter that there's tremendous pressure being placed on them to nail this guy on something.
The whole system of embassies, which is pretty important stuff.
Otherwise, if we don't have that, then we're just a bunch of animals, just different countries battling for resources at all times, and you have no ground rules.
I can only hope that with guys like you running for Congress and with this young generation that's coming up, and this is one of the things that I've said, is that I don't think you're going to change these creepy Old vampire dudes that are running banks.
I think they are fucking set in their ways, and they're a bunch of old douchebags.
And our only hope is the upcoming generation, guys like you.
Well, I think that we've been tricked into thinking that that's the only way people will pay attention, that you have to give them those little quick sound bites and then is Kim Kardashian getting a batten ass that's too big?
You be the judge.
We'll be right back.
We're so like distracted, but there's a lot of people that are realizing that podcasts and things like this, these conversations, it's an opportunity to be involved really in your own earbuds, to be considering both sides and maybe your own opinion that doesn't even get expressed that you want to express to me on Twitter later or whatever, but to be a part of a conversation between two people talking about something that you think is really important or you think is really interesting.
And that didn't exist before because we had too many fucking people that were telling people what is and it is interesting instead of just doing it naturally.
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I really appreciate that we have developed this very positive, helpful, cool community, very unusually cool community.
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Brian, I think I can speak for you as well, right?