Joe Rogan and Duncan Trussell explore how literal religious interpretations—like Trinity Broadcasting Network’s scams or creationist flood myths—fuel conflict, while psychedelics (e.g., Terence McKenna’s "stoned ape" theory) may have shaped human consciousness. They debate simulation theory, citing Dr. S. James Gates Jr.’s fringe claims of embedded code in physics, and critique modern legal absurdities like The Matrix copyright lawsuits. Rogan’s humanist stance rejects divisive ideologies, linking ancient collapses (e.g., Göbekli Tepe) to lost knowledge, while Trussell argues for practical solutions over conspiracy-driven distraction. [Automatically generated summary]
Demonstrate how bloody battles used to be because they just it's like they just slide right through the neck of that fucking pig just slide through like a knife through butter and the sound is so gross this flick flick and these weird old dudes just swinging these swords it's fucking strange man Jesus Christ so glad that we got past that phase of human history thank God someone invented a gun Yeah.
Well, yeah, man, that's the opposite of this thing called the disciplic succession, which is this idea that people get super, super smart from time to time by meditating or drugs or something happens to them.
and then those people like transmit that to their closest friends which gets transmitted down uh until it like ends up in the present moment it's called the disciplic succession um you know how like you get around it's like one thing to hear someone from someone happy right but when you get around someone who's really advanced and really happy you walk away with this kind of like extra thing it like gets something into you know it like they give you something from being around them.
So the idea is That certain times people have like a massive burst of that.
You know, like the monkey that came out of the tree or the monkey that first used a certain tool.
Certain people have that exact same kind of like blast.
And the people in the close proximity to them, they get it and it transforms them and then they give it to the next person and it goes through time.
The simple succession.
In the same way, there's an opposite of that.
There's like an anti-enlightenment, anti-happiness, just a foul poison that started way, way, way back when and gets transmitted from one person to the next to the next in this endless chain of shit that ends up with people doing monstrous things.
It's weird how pliable the human consciousness is.
It's weird how the human consciousness, depending upon how you're raised, can be thrust in so many different directions.
It's so weird.
We are so not an easy thing to develop.
We're super-duper complicated.
We have all sorts of crazy emotions, irrational ideas of the past, irrational views of our own memory, and we're all going through this whole weird thing together, trying to feel our way through it.
I mean, we've got these sedimentary layers of times in history where you are just being ravaged by famine and disease.
It was rough, man.
i mean if you think about that like even now people aren't safe and you can call 911 and have cops come to your house within 30 minutes you know depending on where you're at sometimes faster if something catches on fire dial 911 little red trucks come and put it out they just trucks with water inside of them if there's no water around think about that but not very long ago man something catches on fire it's like that's just going down
You know, if somebody, if your friend hurts himself, you're not calling 911. You're going to wrap him in, like, dirty bandages and just hope for the best.
It's like, so that means that people, there's a lot of fear embedded into us genetically from those times, you know?
Angry little ape man living inside everybody.
You can see any time you get mad.
That's him howling out in the depths of your being.
The difference is some people still listen to that howling ape freak who's terrified and screaming out of the universe and believe that that's them.
And they become that crazy primal scared being and some people have started to realize or completely realize that that's just one old sort of almost outdated appendage, a psychic appendage stuck inside humans and you don't have to listen to the screaming fucking ape every time something bad happens.
As long as we can keep this whole society thing together, keep giving people food and purpose, we can slowly but surely make these leaps into the next stage of consciousness.
So Julian Assange is this guy who created a website called WikiLeaks, and he was kind of the face behind this website that people send secrets, government secrets.
People sent him a shitload of files that showed a helicopter gunning down reporters, among other fucked up things.
And...
So he got in a lot of trouble with the military-industrial complex, essentially.
He just pissed off the military-industrial complex.
He ended up...
Because something happened in Sweden.
No one really knows exactly what it is.
But the UK is treating it...
Like, whatever he did in Sweden, like he just went around fisting nuns and setting fucking buildings on fire.
Like, they were doing everything to get him back to Sweden for what I think is a relatively small charge.
And also, man, not to be a complete fucking conspiratorial weirdo, but a lot of people say that there's some basic things if you want to get somebody that you can do, and one of them is you set them up.
With some kind of sex crime.
You know what I mean?
You can entrap somebody.
I'm not saying he's...
I don't know what happened, honestly.
But, you know, in society now, if you were running an empire, and you had an enemy, And a really public enemy, it goes past the point where you can just assassinate them, like in the good old days.
Like in the good old days, if someone had some information, you just fucking send in one of your assassins to come through their window and give them a quick snip on the throat, leave your fucking sigil, or whatever your sign was, because sometimes you want people to know that your enemies die, and that was it.
Now, assassination is a little more complex, you know?
You've got to, like, if someone gets in the public eye, they can't just suddenly hang themselves.
You know, if suddenly Hassan just dangling in the embassy there, if they came into a bathroom and Hassan just hanging by a fucking rope, wearing women's panties, right?
Wearing women's panties with maybe some fucking kiddie porn scattered around.
We don't know.
He just freaked out in there from the stress and he tried to do auto-erotic asphyxiation.
Cut to CNN. CNN. Barely a peep about the Libor scandal.
Boom!
Pervert pedophile Assange found dangling in the embassy wearing women's underwear pink with Mickey Mouse pictures on him.
You know what I mean?
It's like that's a way that they try to defame you and make you seem like you were not valid, that no one should have been listening to you in the first place.
They were like fucking with interest rates not based on real reality but based on the urgings of the government from my complete low level understanding of this shit.
But basically it somehow is just one of the indications Of the things that we hear all the time from some really hardcore conspiracy theorists who are saying that the world economies are just being controlled by bankers who are shifting numbers to benefit themselves.
And this is like, of course, the military-industrial complex or war quite often is benefiting someone in a massive way.
So it's just part of that idea that the way things are happening on the planet right now aren't based on Some form of humanistic logic, but are based on the economic drives of a very small amount of people who make a shitload of money when bad shit goes down.
You know, like, whenever there's a fucking war, there are people who Make so much fucking money, man.
I mean, it's nice.
You know, like, the way I, if, like, I fucking was the book at, like, Get My Own TV Show, like, if I was able to sell a show, right, that would be a big deal for me.
That'd be awesome.
That'd be an incredible moment in my life.
In that same way that I'm excited about that, there's people who are like, oh, Come on, Iran.
Say one more anti-Semitic thing.
Come on, if we just get one more sign that you want to attack Israel, we can fucking get in there.
And if we get in there, they're going to need a lot of my new XP-49 double-edged fucking missiles, and I'm going to make a ton of money.
You know, and those people have lobbyists that talk to senators and congressmen, and their point is the reason isn't for...
The reason isn't because...
It's like, you know, I imagine it's like when you're fucking a whore.
You know, the reason she's fucking you is for money.
She's not fucking you because she likes you.
She's fucking you because she wants money from you.
In the same way these powerful conglomerates are making moves that are based on their own economic gain.
Listen, I didn't have a TV out of some hate for TV. I didn't have a TV because I understand my compulsion to plug that Xbox in, pop in Skyrim, and just vanish from society for four years.
So, in the same way, it's weird because it's like that technology is imitating, I think, what's happening to people's perception of things.
Somehow, when a president starts doing the presidential talk or when you see, like, what's happening in fucking the UK where they're saying with Assange, no, no, no, no.
Listen, we have a right.
We have to enforce the deportation of Assange to Sweden.
This has nothing to do with a thing where he leaked terabytes of information about the military industrial complex.
That's just a coincidence.
We've got to get him out to Sweden because he did a surprise rape.
When you watch a fucking squirrel running around and you see how in nature the thing is, just part of the earth, almost just the earth.
Humans are like a few steps past that.
So it's like we came out of a picture.
We like came from the background into the foreground.
This is the idea that they tried to metaphorically talk about in the story of the Garden of Eden, which is, you know, before they ate of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, they were unaware that they were naked.
It was like they're more animals.
And then this represents...
I think McKenna said, you know, this is the representation of the expansion of the neocortex.
This is the beginning of human brain development is suddenly becoming aware of ourselves, of our bodies, of the fact that we have a fucking body.
Because, you know, animals...
They don't think about their buttholes.
Dogs aren't thinking about what their balls look like when they're running.
They're not thinking about their fucking hair if it's messed up.
That doesn't cross their mind.
A dog's never worried about its hair being messed up.
But humans, we fixate on that shit.
We spend so much time thinking about how ashamed or ridiculously proud we are of our bodies.
It's fucking hilarious how much time.
If you really consider how much time you fixate on your body one way or the other, we're just into our bodies.
We're very close to something that's no longer here anymore, but some people are still functioning at that level.
And some people know that some people are still functioning at that level and understand how their nervous system works and are really good at tricking people.
If you still identify with a howling, screaming animal inside of you, You're really easy to manipulate.
You know, it's not that hard to fucking trick a monkey into going for a banana.
It's like legendarily easy to get a monkey to go for a banana.
Only now when you tell somebody, you know, our Congress is bought by corporations and it's not really representing the people anymore and you know that's real.
It's pretty obvious by now.
You tell that to people and they'll be like, no, it's real.
It's real, it's real, it's the realest thing there is.
How could you say that's not real?
These men, these fine men, the high seats of power, they're not getting bribed by corporations.
No!
Never!
They have integrity!
Yet again and again, time and time again, we see that these people have been supported by lobbyists to the point where I saw someone, I think one of the presidents, or I don't remember which it was.
I don't remember who it was.
Maybe Boehner, the guy who looks like Howdy Doody.
I can't remember who it was, but put all their main corporate sponsors in a NASCAR outfit.
They said senators and congressmen should start having to wear I think Robin Williams had that in his special.
But there's still people who don't want to believe that's the truth.
And this is the fucking problem, man.
Because it's not just politics.
It's religion.
There's people...
Have you seen this fucking...
It keeps popping up on the internet, but it's like this idea that evolutionists had that the way some, or the creationists believe that the way some animals got from one continent to the next is from rafts of the forests uprooted by the great flood.
So like bears and rabbits and squirrels were just like floating across the ocean on logs.
People believe that stuff.
Creationists believe that, dude.
Imagine that.
Just logs covered in rabbits and puppies and eagles.
It's the craziest thing fucking ever, but people believe that right now.
How many crazy people right now in neighborhoods and trailer parks across America are in their backyard constructing an arc because they think God told them to build it?
I bet there's at least 400 people right now hammering in their backyard on a fucking ark because they had a weird dream where God told them to build an ark.
I just fucking saw on Trinity Broadcasting Network, have you ever watched TBN? Yes.
So I just saw on Trinity Broadcasting Network, this fucking televangelist say, do you want that new house?
Do you want that new condo?
That $2,000 isn't gonna get you a condo or a new house.
Plant that seed money in my ministry and it will come back to you tenfold, a hundredfold.
So this guy is on TBN compelling people who've been saving up their money to buy a house to send that money to his fucking ministry.
He's tricking dumbasses into funneling money to him in the idea that they're going to send $2,000.
Because he says it, it's so terrible.
What he does, he's aiming at illegal immigrants.
One of the things he said is, you know, Juan whoever sent $2,000 to me, his green card had already been denied.
But he went to the mailbox, and he got a letter underneath his bills, and he opened that letter, and it said he had been accepted.
His green card had been accepted.
So you're, like, trying to hit these, like, the most desperate humans who are, like, a combination desperate and dumb, watching TV late at night, and they just have a little bit of money left, but maybe they're a little drunk.
But the problem is, man, with all this stuff, this is where religion gets confusing, is a lot of the metaphysical principles these people are throwing out there, they're real.
If you put good energy out into the world, it does come back to you.
It is true.
If you put good things out into the world, it's like throwing a fishing line out, and there's a really good chance you're going to reel back something awesome that you didn't expect to get.
But it's like, these sons of bitches, they're like...
Making it as though there's an actual spiritual economy in the universe, that there's some kind of quantifiable bank account balance, where if you send $2,000, you'll get $20,000 based on some specific crazy laws.
That's where it gets odd, and that's where it's kind of fucked up.
It is and it isn't because the wounded antelopes have always been jacked by the waterholes.
That's just the way it always been.
If you're so fucking dumb that you think that that guy's really going to be able to do that with your money, it's almost like you have to exist as an example of folly.
You have to exist as an example of Like, when anybody gets scammed by one of those Nigerians, one of them, I watched this one thing they were talking about, it was a dude who was really sad, man.
The guy just didn't have any companionship.
He didn't have a girlfriend, really wanted a girlfriend, and just spent all his retirement money sending it to this Nigerian scammer.
Because you look out into the world, you know, and you see, on the Nature Channel, just, you know, watch a fucking...
Hyena taking a bath in the carcass of a fucking elephant.
Or watch fucking those tigers in the Russian circus who just attack those dudes.
Or look at the fucking, in China, the monstrous way that they slice the skin off of living dogs.
You can go on and on with examples of this kind of brutal slaughterhouses everywhere, you know?
The brutality of nature.
You know, and you can go into this Nietzschean mind state where you're like, you know, yes, that is as much a part of the universe as anything else.
And then there's another part of you that, if you start thinking that way, can become a bit nihilistic, where you start thinking like, oh, well, if there's wounded antelopes, then why help them?
You know what I mean?
But let them suffer for their own good.
Let them come to understand life through their own transgressions so that they can grow on their own and become powerful by their own volition.
And that's fucking cool, man.
There's part of me that really loves that idea.
And then there's another part that's like, yeah, but what if, you know, There's an actual concerted effort at work right now.
A concerted effort by a combination of many different conglomerates who have recognized the psychological makeup of most human beings and have figured out very intelligent ways to intentionally manipulate those human beings to become consumeristic so that they can gain from these people's lack of education and understanding.
But this is like from this, I think we've talked about this before, the Century of the Self, about what's called black psychology or using psychology to manipulate people into buying shit or giving the impression that they need something.
Do we just let it happen so that you can have preachers?
That you can have those crazy guys on TV saying that if you send me money, I'll give you ten times?
Do we just let that happen?
If you were inclined to decide, if you had to cast your vote one way or another, how much do we limit?
I'm sorry, I just want to say, because if that guy's not legitimate, what if something comes along that is legitimate?
What if there's some sort of sustainable new environment that's being built and they want everybody to throw some money in and become a part of it, and they offer you a tangible deal and it's based on the same sort of spiritual concepts?
You're going to automatically connect it with those other assholes.
Who's going to say, no, no, no, this is the right thing, and that's the wrong thing, and this is good, and that's bad?
It's like, it's almost only an egomaniac would ever even consider the notion of trying to take charge, you know?
So it is this...
You know, we end up in this curious predicament of trying to determine, okay, well then how much do we let happen?
For example, what's happening in Syria right now?
How much do we let happen?
How many more people get fucking bombed in this weird war between an oppressive regime and the people who are rising up?
And it is an oppressive regime.
The guy's been around too long.
The elections are fucked.
Syria's always been notoriously a kind of fucked up place.
It's like, now there's a civil war happening.
How much do we...
Who takes the side of Assad?
That's his name, right?
Assad.
Who takes his side?
Who's really going to stand up for that fucking guy?
You know what I mean?
And I'll tell you one person who has Russia.
You know what I mean?
So Russia's standing up for this guy.
Now we're in a weird situation.
I don't know how much they're supporting, but...
That's where things get fucked up because it's like, okay, I guess we just back off and let a bunch of people get slaughtered because that's the way of the world.
This is like, you know, the hardcore libertarians believe this.
And right now it appears that when you stop helping is when it's outside the fucking boundaries of your country.
At that point you're like, no, no, no, no, no.
It is the way of the world that people are slaughtered by mortars and guns and executions and dragged into secret prisons.
It's the way of the world.
And then it's a really weird fucking situation because it's like, well, it's also the way of the world to get people out of fucking...
Secret prisons and to help people who are in trouble.
You know, it's the story of our fucking, you know, our history.
The goddamn, the French helped us.
You know, it's like, sometimes people need help.
When do you help?
It's a real fucking question.
It's one of the big questions facing us right now.
It's like, when do you do something?
In the UK, if they fucking storm into the Ecuadorian embassy, if they storm into that fucking thing, in breaking the sovereignty of ecuador which is essentially invading ecuador if you go into a fucking uh yeah so in that case obviously when they if they just fucking start throwing out the whole game yeah or it's got where they're like you know we're just gonna do what we want and as
long as it suits us we'll make it seem like there's laws in place here right but when it comes down to it we're gonna fucking do what we want Isn't that kind of crazy that you've got a whole building that's a different country, and that building has sovereignty, and this guy can go there and say, can I get asylum?
You've made the decision like, alright, I'm gonna fucking throw myself on the fire in this incarnation just because it feels better than sitting back and festering with the knowledge that there's fucking innocent people getting gunned down for no goddamn reason and that's being kept away from the people who are funding the fucking bullets blowing up their heads.
You're like, God damn it, I gotta fucking do it.
And you do it.
And you're a badass.
And then you end up fucking holed up in a goddamn embassy.
And you know that even if you do get out of that embassy, even if 50,000 Guy Fawkes mask wearing anonymous vigilantes descend on that embassy all wearing the same outfit, swarm the fucking embassy and give you the outfit to wear so that you just mix in with all of them and vanish into the fucking,
into the darkness and then end up in fucking Ecuador, you know at one point There's gonna be a moment when you wake up, and there's a guy sitting next to your bed, and he's like, hey man, I'm sorry, but I gotta fucking kill your ass.
Or maybe he doesn't say anything, or maybe they poison you, or maybe there's a fucking moment when you walk down the street and you feel a strange prick in the bottom of your leg, and the next thing you know, you get a weird sickness, a form of fucking swine flu, or some odd bacterial infection, and you just fucking die.
I don't know when the outbreak happened, and I kind of keep my eyes peeled for any kind of end-of-the-world-style plague reports, but it seemed to pop out of nowhere.
Just eight people in Dallas came down with West Nile virus.
Yeah, it's like, as a species, we do the same thing people do as an individual.
As a species, we make this silly...
We have this crazy idea that everything's going to stay the same.
The planet's going to always be hospitable to our form of life.
We just live with that in the same way that individuals go around like they're going to live fucking forever.
They go around treating people like shit, not returning phone calls.
They go around being complete cunts as though there's going to be something I love how you say, they're treating people like shit, fucking not returning phone calls.
So he's like absorbed into this beautiful thing that I'm very happy for him for.
But it's like that classic thing when one of your best friends gets a girlfriend.
You're like, ah, fuck.
I understand.
I've done it.
God knows I've done it.
I've been the king of that shit, man.
It's horrible.
But the point is...
People treat their lives, and I try to do this less now, sometimes people get caught up in the minutiae and they end up discounting their existence as though there's going to be some point ten years from now.
A lot of people think, okay, I'm just going to fucking party through my 20s.
And then your 20s pass, and then the 30s say, ah, I got some juice in me still.
I'm gonna just fucking do it through my 30s!
And then your 30s pass, and now you're feeling a little tired and fucked up a little bit, and your 40s come in, and you're like, into the 40s, I'm gonna settle down, and I'm gonna really become a man.
And then you just keel over and die, and that's it.
You never fucking did, you never actualized yourself.
And it's, you know, now we're kind of like in that part where you look and you flip the fucking...
Hotel mirror a little bit and take a look at that pink moon sprouting in the back of your fucking head.
What the fuck?
There's a patch of pink there.
In the same way, there's like nice, big, thick, black, oily patches of death sprouting up all over the planet from people logging and dumping chemicals in there and like, no, it'll come around.
That little fucking radioactive patch called Chernobyl, it'll come around.
So this is where we have this fucking problem, man.
Because we've got a group of people who believe that rabbits floated on rafts from one continent to the next.
We've got a group of people who really fucking believe in some very archaic, primitive bullshit, and we're really letting them We're really letting them run with it, man.
Not only that, you're supposed to, if you're polite, to allow them whatever craziness they believe without ever arguing it or ever discussing it or ever disagreeing with it.
And if it makes you happy, I really do mean God bless you and I'm happy you're happy.
That's fucking awesome.
But if you're making political decisions based on these belief systems, well, we got a fucking problem, man.
We got a big fucking problem because you're making political decisions based on an imaginary voice in your fucking head that thinks that a floating man is going to come down from space.
And this is a problem.
This is a problem because the decisions need to be made on a more realistic level.
Human level, which is like, hey, there's a lot of people on this fucking planet.
We need to start working together and stop blowing each other up.
As crazy an idea as that may be, it's pretty much time to put down the Bible.
Let's put down the fucking Quran.
Let's put down the old crusty old fucking scrolls and just treat it like we're living in a neighborhood.
And let's see if we can fucking...
Let's see if we can just stop blowing each other up for a second, Iran.
You don't need nuclear missiles, Iran.
Let's not make nuclear missiles.
And Israel, let's not fucking attack Iran right now.
None of the people want to fight.
None of the people want war.
We don't want to die.
I don't want to die.
I don't want anybody to get fucking blown up.
None of us want that, man.
Maybe there's 3,000 of us who want that.
Maybe there's 3,000 people who really are into it and that's it.
And there's a lot more of us than there are of them.
So at some point, something has to happen where a shift takes place, where people start prioritizing what's actually happening over what people dressed in funny outfits are telling us an invisible man is saying we should do.
It's so obvious!
For example, if you're in the woods and you get to choose between two guides, There's a guy wearing camouflage.
He's like, got a fucking Rambo knife and some fucking awesome tattoos.
And then there's a guy who comes out dressed in a black fucking cloak holding a book.
And he's like, this is a magic book!
This is my magic forest book!
And this book will give you all the answers you need in this giant, massive, deadly, dangerous, snake-filled, bear-ridden forest.
And if, you know, you need stories or, you know, scripture or whatever it is that you need to get you into that frame of mind that puts you on that good scaffolding...
When you deal with things on the surface level, And you don't look deeper.
Well, then you get into stupid wrestling, semantic wrestling matches with comedians over the most ridiculous ideas ever.
Instead of just like, yeah, he was like throwing something out there.
He's not a rapist.
He doesn't want to rape.
He threw something out there.
It's no problem.
You know, just a little, just three inches under the surface of that fucking thing.
And it's a yawn.
It's a yawn, mostly.
It's like, whatever.
But like, on the surface, it's fucking...
So in the same way, people take these very powerful scriptures, they interpret them on the surface level, and they start arguing about the fucking surface level.
So now, when people are talking about the fucking Garden of Eden, they're arguing over, like, who was the bad guy?
Was it Eve or was it Adam?
Well, it was Eve's fault, because she listened to that darn old snake first.
People really think that.
They're like, yeah, it's the woman's fault.
unidentified
That's what she got cursed with a painful childbirth.
And there's some of that in there, but it's like, come on, fuckheads.
Come on!
So then, when you get into the fucking Kabbalah, and you look at the Kabbalistic Tree of Life...
And you see something that's taking the fucking idea of the Tree of Life and the Garden of Eden and deepening it to like the really much deeper part of the fucking fractal where it's an expression of the expansion of nothingness into somethingness in the universe and it's a cool metaphysical grid that shows a thing Becoming aware of itself, or a thing waking up and then becoming aware of itself, creating a triangle which flips over because it reflects itself into the universe.
It changes your whole, it blows your lungs out and actually eats them and converts it to a type of glue that keeps the cock attached to your body to keep you alive because now you no longer have lungs.
Every year the dick slowly grows inside your body and starts cracking open organs and pushing ribs to the side, popping them and snapping them as it eventually goes through your body.
But it does it so slowly that you never actually die, especially since the dick is providing with oxygen.
But then when it gets to the end, the dick pops out of your asshole and you deflate like a balloon.
But it's not any more weird than like cordyceps mushrooms that grow inside ants' heads and then explode and spray the air and infect all these other ants to become zombie ants.
cats but dude if you take this the next level you know this is where we get into the realm the metaphysical realm that um a lot of people believe that you know you can get fucking possessed by a spirit right and this is not just fucking christians this is like in almost every religion is this notion that a a thing can get into you and start fucking controlling you and it's like man
if it's if there's fuck you know maybe there's disembodied beings that really can like get inside You know, maybe just certain ideas.
Maybe, like, certain ideas.
I think, what's his name, Steiner?
Someone was just telling me he believed that ideas were alive, right?
What if there are certain ideas that someone could implant into your head that's the exact same thing as being possessed?
You know what I mean?
So you get this fucking idea and it just grows inside of you.
Much like our legendary dick alien, it grows inside of you and turns you into a fucking different person.
There are certain people that are so susceptible to ideas and words that they can get them in their head and obsess on them to the point of almost like madness.
I had a friend who had a nervous breakdown while he was hosting a show where there was a black gentleman who was the actor in the show, a very famous guy.
And as he's warming up the crowd, Brody Stevens style, he gets this thought in his head that he can't get out.
possessed by an idea the idea possessed him and took over his body and there's other versions of this idea you know whatever the idea is that gets in someone's head and makes them think that a solution to a problem is to wrap explosives around their body and go wandering into a cafe that person's got a bad idea that's a bad idea inside their head that's a bad thing living inside their head yeah It's a bad idea.
And it's like, there's a lot of fucking people on the planet who've got some bad ideas in their fucking heads, man, you know?
But, you know, they're just, I suppose, whether they're living or not, it's just a device to, like, help understand the spread of the thing.
It spreads more like a virus, ideas.
Spread more like a virus than they do anything else, right?
They fucking take over a person.
They get into its subjective DNA. They...
Transform its thought patterns and then that being begins to infect those around it with the similar Ideas and and then that spreads the fucking thought disease out through through the world, you know, right and that that's like Going on right fucking now, right?
goddamn Chick-fil-a I'm gonna go around to chick-fil-a and eat some fucking Chicken sandwiches!
And you're like, wait a minute, what are you doing?
Because she did what?
She danced?
What?
This is your belief?
You know, you're gonna line a woman up in the middle of the street and throw rocks at her because someone caught her dating a member of the wrong Muslim tribe?
Well, it gets fucking weird because, I mean, goddamn, the first fucking, when the first monkey decided to come down out of the tree and wander out and start fucking hunting, you know, I don't know, but I'm pretty sure that the other fucking monkeys that decided to stay in the fucking tree, and in this situation, I'm not saying one group is a monkey and one group's not, I'm saying we're all fucking monkeys, but the ones that decided to stay up in the goddamn tree didn't have nuclear weapons, you know?
He's like, look, we don't have time to teach people to meditate anymore.
People are possessed by this fucking idea.
We can teach people to meditate, but first they need to get super high on a psychedelic.
You know what I mean?
There needs to be this imperative to transform those fucking crazy thought structures that are floating around in people's heads because they've got fucking nuclear weapons.
Thanks, friend.
You can't just climb out of the goddamn tree now.
You know, if you climb out of the fucking tree, people are going to say you're a goddamn heretic.
You know, you're a goddamn anti-American heretic.
Listen to me, say there's no fucking Jesus Christ, and the goddamn rabbits got across the fucking ocean in some way that didn't involve floating on logs?
Northern California, that whole area, it's got like Ape Canyon, Ape River, Monkey Canyon.
It's like all these like weird fucking names that involve primates.
But it's not a place where there's any apes.
It's really strange.
There's a lot of sightings in one area.
A lot of sightings for the last couple hundred years and it's a really densely wooded area.
Doesn't mean that they're not bears and people aren't on mushrooms.
It's totally possible that it also could have been just an idea that one person had and they ran with it and it fucking carried on as almost a tradition.
Okay, not to take this idea too far, but fucking McKenna talked about the idea that the UFO is some kind of projection of the mystery, of novelty, of something within humans or something in fucking hyperspace.
But, it's not saying that this is not a real animal, and the reason why I say that is Jane Goodall.
Jane Goodall, she was 100% convinced, all the people she talked to that had the same story, and all the same sightings that there was an undiscovered primate in the Pacific Northwest.
I mean, it's never, it's something, it's not anything that fucking would, I think it'd be really awesome if somebody finally, like, I caught one of those things, but it's not going to make me fucking any happier when I wake up in the morning.
No, we'd weep with joy because it would be the cutest thing anyone ever saw.
And also, you'd be on the front page of Reddit and like, Yes, you would be totally on the front page of Reddit.
Reddit would explode!
And also, it'd be a kind of really spooky thing, which is this idea that maybe evolution itself...
Is accelerating in all beings, not just in fucking technology, but it's like hitting everything.
It's starting to speed up everywhere, where those gorillas pop in those fucking poacher traps.
You know what I mean?
Maybe shit's happening everywhere, speeding up and speeding up, and things are suddenly going to just start talking, wearing fucking shoes, talking in cute English accents.
What if chimpanzees, this is a fucking stupid idea, strap in, but if you listen to McKenna's idea, McKenna's idea of the stoned ape theory was that there was a period of human history that scientists are a little bit confused about, and that period is over two million years, the human brain doubled.
And they don't know why.
They really don't know.
There's all sorts of thoughts, you know, like the throwing arm, like that we figured out how to throw shit and kill things that accelerated our use of tools and the brain just kept up with what we needed.
And then the craziest one is McKenna's idea.
McKenna's idea was that it was because of mushrooms.
is that we had started coming down off the trees because the climate was changing and that the rainforests were receding in the grasslands and that these animals flipped over these cow patties looking for worms and shit that they would eat and then they found the mushrooms on the top and they started eating the mushrooms and then they started experiencing enlightenment, they started having creative ideas, they started developing language.
Why hasn't someone just taken some chimps and given them some mushrooms?
Why don't they try that?
I mean, if you're willing to try lipstick on them, and let's see if this perfume is fucking toxic when turkey shoot it up your ass, they'll do all that to chimps.
They do testing on chimps from medicine, and they die.
They do horrible shit to them.
They cut their heads off and see if they can keep them alive, allegedly.
Two million years, because mushrooms at low doses, this is the other thing he mentioned in his theory, is mushrooms at low doses, man, they're great for fucking, dude.
They're great for having sex.
They're like, they really like, if you take the right dose, it's an aphrodisiac, man.
So his idea was, yeah, so it's like, It also improves visual acuity.
In the peripheral, so you can see a goddamn line sneaking up on your ass.
Not just in the peripheral, but they said that they've done tests on where they have two parallel lines, and one parallel line will move very slightly offline.
You can recognize it quicker on psilocybin than when you're straight.
But what's amazing, it's like it can be responsible for one of the most powerful reconsiderations of your life ever, like a real true religious experience.
And we know from our own personal experience with them that the effect is not some kind of like ridiculous...
Frat party giggle fest.
It's like if you take the right dose and you do it with the right people and you do it with the right intention, then there will be a massive shift in your consciousness akin to a form of ego death, which allows you to heal and allows you to reacquaint yourself with kind of a living, connective energy that isn't all things.
But it's amazing how well the propaganda works considering how substantial the effect of the product is.
That it's suppressed this incredible, you know, I mean you would say that in an open market eventually the cream rides to the top.
But it doesn't get a chance.
Because it's cut off and because it's illegal and demonized, this incredible, I don't know whatever you would call it, experience.
Let's call it that.
This incredible experience is kept away from you.
It's kept away from you.
What is essentially a natural experience by eating some things that people have eaten since the beginning of time.
And it's kept from you.
And it's a shame.
It's a shame that you can live your whole life without understanding that there might be some other aspects to this life that we also need to take into our body in order for us to get a better grasp on things.
And they might have aided getting us to here.
And we might be in a very sick, sick time where we're not using these things.
And that's what's responsible for this whole chaotic community that we have.
This whole chaotic thing where we're polluting the skies and polluting the ocean.
And we will do anything for profit, including invade other countries.
We're doing all sorts of really insane, twisted things that are the types of things that would be happening if we were sick.
If that's true, if that's true, if the human consciousness really did develop through psychedelics, it only makes sense that we fucking need that shit just like we need meat.
Yeah, it's almost like a vitamin, or it's like a psychic vitamin.
And in the same way that way back when, right after the agrarian revolution, when people were getting less nutritional value because of droughts, and they became emaciated and small, and you can look at skeletons of people back then, and they were much smaller, because they weren't getting the nutrition.
In the same way, we are emaciated, but in a psychic way.
So you end up with these people with these just...
I mean, it's just like from an aesthetic point of view or even an artistic point of view.
You're looking at it and it looks like art.
It looks like a dance and there's so much flow to it as he's like fucking hurling through the water.
They move so fast that it's hard to believe.
But it is almost, I mean, if dance is impressive, isn't that impressive just as well?
I think it's an impressive physical feat.
Into a rhythm, the way they can swim to a rhythm, and then they go under, and then they under water for this long period before they bust open and start whipping it again.
What a crazy fucking sport, man.
Wild to watch.
Wild to watch people do some shit that you just cannot fucking do.
To know that that's like the capabilities of the human frame.
If it's that long and that strong and that young and that dedicated and it puts in this many hours every week, look what the fuck this thing can do.
It's pretty amazing all the stuff that can happen and physically, mentally, what you can learn, the things that you can figure out.
It's amazing the amount that you can...
Send your consciousness out into the universe and understand things.
It's a fucking incredible...
This spacesuit that we're in, it's got all these parts to it that we've forgotten how to use.
Almost like some survivor of a spaceship crash has amnesia and is in this super advanced spacesuit and only uses parts of it, little parts of it to amble around.
And it's like, no, man, there's crazy fucking...
this fucking thing but you know you need help there's certain fuels that you need to like make that connection and those fuels are fucking if you're an athlete you got to eat the right food you know you can't just chomp on goddamn fruit loops and cheetos and end up like being a professional uh olympic swimmer they've got they're feeding those people like crazy we don't even know probably glows smells like cum
this special nutritional like blast that they just spray into their mouths like foie gras geese there's fucking like God only knows what these fuckers have in their bodies.
And in the same way, for your intelligence, for your spiritual growth, you need to take into your fucking being certain things.
Great scriptures, incredible writing, and on occasion a nice fucking mushroom trip.
You know, but you gotta be careful.
I feel guilty saying this stuff because some people, you're not supposed to take it.
You shouldn't take it.
You're in a bad part in your life right now.
Your fucking balls smell like the bottom of a goddamn...
Fucking the bottom of a donkey's ass.
You know, you gotta clean your balls and clean yourself and your life up before you take the experience, you know?
Some people shouldn't do it, but some people definitely should.
You definitely should.
It's very important.
Goddamn, just went on a hippie rant.
Forgive me, my friends.
Steve Jobs, though, I mean, come on.
He said that fucking LSD was like one of the biggest, one big part of his understanding of the universe.
Yeah, I think if we had a world filled with people who've all had breakthrough psychedelic experiences and they were running this country, it would be a lot easier.
As long as they got enough pussy to keep them satisfied.
If we just had robot concubines or whatever people would think would be morally acceptable, keep them sexually satisfied so they don't go tweaking and they don't do stupid shit and undermine our world just based on their need for pussy.
Yeah, but now he's like, he's this fucking crazy son of a bitch, man.
Really?
He's like a loon.
Yeah, he's like a real like anti-authority kind of person who likes to break rules and he's got fucking like a wallet full of like professional fake IDs with like Really?
Holographically printed.
It's like it's on YouTube.
There's a video of him showing his fucking awesome fake IDs.
He loves to use technology to break little rules and laws and stuff.
It's kind of cool.
It's really cool, in fact.
You know, but you don't want a lot of those guys, right?
You don't want to fucking, you need to see one or two of those guys, have some fun, but you don't want 50,000 of those guys.
What happens if we got 50,000 Steve Jobs, you know?
Yeah.
Because it's like right now the thing that is driving so many of us, not me, I'm driven by my love of humanity and I want the world to be a better place.
But I've heard that many men are driven by the desire to fuck.
Let's pretend that we have a girl on the podcast with us that is probably maybe secretly attracted to you but really upset that you're talking about this so openly.
So the idea is like, this is one of the premises of this book is it's not a fucking genetic quality of being a woman that you don't want to fuck all the time.
That it's more of a culturally conditioned thing that's happened from your upbringing because we're in a very sexually repressed society and ladies like to fuck.
Dude, let me tell you, high point of my fucking comedy career is getting a goddamn message from people saying, Andrew Dice Clay says that he likes part of my fucking act.
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Well, man, I mean, when you, like, there's a lot of fucking crazy shit when you start playing around with simulation theory, and I'm so glad you brought it up, because we get this archetype in many of the world religions that involves the man-god, the god being eaten by man,
the god that gets sacrificed for the sake of humans, the god that merges in with human beings, the fucking shit movie Prometheus tried to address this in a really crap way, but, like, The notion of the creators or whatever, but what's really fascinating about the idea of being in a simulation,
like if we are in a simulation now, is that we are immortal in the sense that we are computer code that's being run through some form of operating system, and because we're just computer code, we can be, there's actually this guy from the Singularity Institute, I can't remember his name, no.
I think he's from Oxford.
It's on YouTube.
And he's talking about this idea of vivisecting the human brain, scanning the neural system, plopping that shit into a computer.
After you scan the synapses and the exact structure as close as you can, as accurately as you can, you run this through a simulator, and now you have a being with consciousness living inside a computer.
Not only do you have a being with consciousness living inside of a computer, what he said was so awesome is it could then theoretically be rewound.
Time could be sped up.
It could be pulsed.
You know what I mean?
So you could control the reality of this being in some really bizarre ways.
So where it gets really fascinating is the person who this neurological scan was based, the living being, the meat body, whose brain was put on some kind of futuristic combination deli slicer slash neurology scanner, that fucking being...
Died.
Had to die.
So that the being inside the simulator could live.
The only way to make a computer right now is by fucking putting the pieces of the computer together.
It's not through slicing it up.
The point is, if this is a simulation...
is that it was created by a living being right you know and that living being theoretically is mortal you know and so that mortal being has died that mortal being may have died aeons ago depending on who knows because time is a is based on the uh simulation you know what What a nutty idea that literally the universe began right as you were born.
And here's where it gets even more mind fucking melty because everybody's talking about this idea of the singularity of the moment that our computers wake up.
Our machines wake up and become aware that they exist as a thing.
But where it gets really trippy is the idea that we're inside the simulation and we're the machine waking up.
We literally are the thing waking up to an awareness of itself and gaining consciousness of itself in a true way.
That's what humans are.
I almost want to rewrite the Garden of Eden story, replacing the word God with programmer, because it gets so fucking cool when the programmer made man in his own image.
What's really getting really crazy is when you get to these scientists who are saying that they found computer code concealed in superstring equations.
Not just fucking ones and zeros, but what this guy calls dual error correction code, which is some form of weird fucking shit that's already in our web browsers and based on the technology or the invention of a programmer in the 1940s.
I mean, this is some lost shit here.
This is some lost shit, but it's been dismissed, man.
I mean, I've been raving about it on my podcast, and some people, like, said that it's a real fringy theory, and, you know, who knows?
The John S. Toll Professor of Physics at the University of Maryland and the director of the Center for String and Particle Theory is reporting that certain string theory supersymmetrical equations which describe the fundamental nature of the universe and reality contain embedded computer codes.
These codes are digital data in the form of ones and zeros.
Not only that, These codes are the same as what makes web browsers work and our error correction codes.
Gates says, we have no idea what these things are doing here.
Our first contact with a fucking alien is going to be with the programmer.
But where it gets really weird, Joe, here's where it gets really fucking weird, is the idea that...
That we're running in a simulation inside a simulation.
In the same way that we're trying to simulate reality through video games, SimCity, various fucking weather pattern, supercomputers, and all the various ways we try to articulate reality through machines, this has already been done in a previous machine that's articulating itself, like some kind of mirror refracting off itself, infinitely going into itself, always inventing itself again and again and again and again.
But see, this is where it gets cool, because maybe the simulation itself is a novelty generator.
Maybe the simulation, what it's here for, is to generate, you know, a novelty, which is like, look, man, let's see what happens if we put an entire planet full of people Who quantum, you know, nanobots have done neurological scans of their brain to do, like, kind of, like, neurological thumbprints, which we then animate within the machine.
Let's see what they do.
I mean, what we did was we invented some crazy shit.
Let's see if they invent some new shit inside the simulator.
And all of a sudden, the simulator's inventing new technologies that are going up through the goddamn, the different levels of the machine until finally it pops out and the programmer's desk is like, oh, fucking awesome.
Look at this.
One of these beings invented time travel.
Let's make a time machine.
The machine invented time travel.
Who knows?
But it's like a really great computer.
Like right now, we put into like, what's it called, Wolfram Alpha?
You can throw in some pretty awesome equations and it'll spit out, like you can do a lot of crazy shit.
But how great would it be if you had just a machine where you just seed it with living beings and it starts regurgitating inventions that these beings are creating?
If I take my fucking phone, I guess you know that you've been dealing with this for years, but like I've been driving an 89 Volvo that could barely get me to the fucking grocery store for a very long time.
So for me, being on the phone, and then I get into the Mini Cooper...
How about the quantum teleportation shit they're doing where they're blasting photons across lakes?
What the fuck is that?
And they're saying, like, in the articles that I've read, and I didn't research them deeply, but the articles I read, they're saying, well, this isn't teleportation, but it's a nice step in that direction.
Did you just say you actually made a step in the direction of teleportation?
Like, think of the effect that has on society.
Teleport-fucking-tation, man, where, like, instead of having to go through a security line at a goddamn airport, you just zap from your home teleporter to fucking Asia in a millisecond?
Where do you want to eat tonight?
France or China?
I don't know.
You decide.
You always make me fucking decide.
What about that nice little kibosh place in Egypt?
Let's go there.
Now you're just deciding anywhere on the planet that you want to go.
And before then, it's been around, like, much longer than that.
It's like, you know, tarot cards are based on it.
It's a crazy son of a bitch, man.
It's just a...
It's trying to, like, map energy flows from nothingness into somethingness.
And it's a very strange, esoteric thing, which I don't understand.
I keep...
Wanting to study it more.
When I got strep throat and was fucking blasted on codeine for five days, I spent a good two days just fucking reading the Kabbalah, and I had fucking tarot cards, and I was putting them on the floor to try to understand the way they connect to the Kabbalah, and I don't remember anything that I got out of that, but it was like a little bit of it, because it's very complicated.
Some people have emailed me and said they understand it, and I I think I might get Roseanne on my podcast and then I could ask her directly.
And there's all these plants that are like super healthy and super moist.
They're getting spray.
They have like a little spray thing that's timed.
Sprying them certain times during the day, and they live under these lamps, and the lamps are on for a certain amount of time, and off for a certain amount of time, and you're watching it, and it's like, these are like intelligent creatures.
They feel like they're greeting you with their energy.
like what the man you don't even let them grow you grow a certain point and then like all right time to die bitch yeah you chop them and then you light them on fire dude and that's the relationship it's the fire sacrifice man it's like this isn't you know this is like in every single religion there's a reference to burning incense there's Burning bush.
Burning bush.
It's in everything, dude.
And it's like the fact that the component has been removed from the equation, the variables, they're trying to take the variable out of the fucking equation.
It's like, sometimes when you go to certain churches...
I would eat some edible marijuana and go to the Gnostic Christian church to watch the Gnostic Mass, which is this beautiful ancient ceremony, which is like...
Basically, it is.
It's an occult ritual.
It's like you're doing something called the transubstantiation, which is transforming matter into the flesh of infinity.
But the Gnostics don't take things literally.
It's a different fucking thing altogether, and it's quite beautiful.
I'm not a Gnostic Christian, but man, chop on some fucking marijuana, go to a Gnostic Christian church respectfully, don't go there like some asshole, go there respectfully, and fucking report back.
You'll find that the experience is rather moving and beautiful.
And it's, um...
You can see how that component in religion is very important, psychedelic.
See, we do psychedelics now, right?
Generally we do psychedelics, but we don't have ceremony.
We have a kind of rudimentary ceremony, the passing of the joint, certain rules based around the consumption of the substance, but there's no real ceremony after that.
I think some people do it, but It's mostly you get high and you watch them, you know, you hang out with your friends, maybe you work out, go jogging, draw, right?
There's, like, rudimentary low-level ceremonies, but no, like, chanting, candles, incense, ancient scriptures.
Well, the first thing to remove when it comes to spiritual stuff is the term benefit.
You know what I mean?
Because it's a weird thing that plays against a lot of the way we understand shit.
You're not going for it for so much of benefit.
Though it is entertaining, and you are getting some instant kind of benefit from just being in a beautiful space, listening to people chant when you're super baked.
There's some immediate benefit that comes from that.
I think there's a lot of...
For me, the experience was like, this is a very old thing that I don't understand that well.
I can't remember, but I remember being like, whoa, fucking crazy, man, because I'd just been reading in this book, magic, marijuana, and religion, that cannabis was ritualistically consumed in Gnostic ceremonies.
It was kind of weird and interesting.
Anyway, man, it's a beautiful fucking thing.
But when you see rituals that don't have psychoactive components in them, sometimes it feels like you're watching people warming their hands on dry tender that hasn't been set alight and pretending that there's fire coming up out of it.
It's like to remove the psychedelic from ritual when we see in so many indigenous cultures the It's a component of their spirituality and their religion.
Yeah, it was a very important aspect of the growth, a very important aspect of the ceremony itself, the transcending to the next stage, the going through the experience, the trip, to having the vision quests, the peyote ritual, whether it was the ayahuasca ritual, whether it was mushrooms in South America and Mexico.
Whatever it was, it was all about a transformative experience.
It was all about getting closer to Gaia, getting closer to the energy, the true energy, which we all get off, man.
Society is very complicated.
Our social interactions are so overbearing.
The idea that there's 300 million of us jammed onto this spot interacting with each other all the time.
It's hard to stay steady.
It's hard to stay on track, not freak out.
But then there's comedy in freaking out, too.
It's a problem, too.
The more you freak out and get pissed at things, the funnier it is.
I mean, that's another thing is, like, people, this fucking thing where people are all about being happy all the time, people have confused, you know, happiness as the end goal.
Like, having this emotional state of just, I'm happy today!
Like, that's not it.
The idea is being fully yourself and the entire spectrum of emotional experience, you know, man?
And it's like, and part of the emotional experience of existing is having meltdowns from time to time.
Like, it's good to have a nice meltdown from time to time.
It's good to, like, freak.
Don't beat yourself up for fucking losing your shit.
It's more than likely a telescoping simulation where each incremental telescoping moving out becomes more and more entropic and out of focus and we're somewhere in this like middle, mid-range of this telescoping simulator that keeps getting washed out more and more and more.
This is the principle and physics of the universe expanding and running out of energy or the idea in Hinduism of Kali Yuga, the final age of human beings or the Mayan calendar and all the various eschatological prophecies talking about the end of the world.
The fucking simulator is going to run out of juice.
Someone's going to get called to dinner and have to stop playing the fucking game.
Yeah, when it's Snopes, it's like they're clearing up a myth.
Isn't almost all of Snopes clearing up myths?
Yeah, it says, the claim is that she won a large judgment in a copyright infringement suit over the authorship of the film The Matrix.
That is false, apparently.
And she started in, okay, in October 4th, 2004, ended a six-year dispute involving Sophia Stewart.
And so six fucking years are dragged on.
Copyright infringement, racketeering, received and acknowledged by the Central District of California, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
Stewart, who has resided in Salt Lake City for the past five years, will recover damages from the films.
Wait a minute.
She recovered damages?
The Matrix 1, 2, and 3, as well as The Terminator and its sequels.
Holy shit.
She will soon receive one of the biggest payoffs in the history of Hollywood, as well as gross receipts of both films and their sequels to a total of $2.5 billion.
Stewart's case was dismissed in June 2005 when she failed to show up for a preliminary hearing of her case.
In a 53-page ruling, Judge Margaret Morrow of the Central District Court of California dismissed the suit, saying Stewart and her attorneys had not entered any evidence to bolster its key claims or demonstrated any striking similarity between her work.
And you know, in that way, I am very much a feminist in that I think women should be allowed to have their own fucking gym.
And I don't think you should be allowed to protest that.
I think if women want to work out in a gym with no drooling fucking ape dudes, any guy who would try to go to that gym is an asshole.
If you want to go to a gym that's just completely filled with women who don't want to be around men, they know the deal, that's what they agree to, and you want to claim that your rights are being violated because this gym is closest to you, so you just, by proximity, you should be allowed to use it?
Like, they shouldn't be...
What a ridiculousness.
You shouldn't be allowed to limit your business to only include one gender because the other gender is always trying to fuck that single gender?
Always making them uncomfortable and feel weird when they're fucking stretching out?
no it's funny how like the it's funny how the mythical the mythical world of porn like in the because in the porn universe the physics of porn are not the physics of the material world the physics of porn that happens dude you're at the gym and some chicks like hey can you spot me for a second and you're like sure i'll spot you and then like just she just starts sucking your dick and you're like wow i can't believe I guess I owe you one.
But it's weird how in places like what you're talking about, which I had this guy, this very fucking brilliant guy, Conor Habib, who also happens to be a gay porn star on my podcast.
And he was talking about fucking, he wrote actually a great essay on cruising.
and and and uh which will permanently shift your notion of rest areas permanently straight but like you know he calls those types of gyms that you're talking about I think the term he used was cruisy is the word of it so yeah so like those places that the physics in there are the same as inside porn if you're a gay dude you can go to a gym and like and you can fuck yeah you're gonna fuck Yeah, it's a completely different experience because there's no yang.
But it's cool, man, because, like, what's happening, what's really cool and fascinating is, like, the bigots are the ones who are being driven into the closet.
It used to be that, like, it's like reversing.
Like, gay people are coming out of the closet, and bigots are getting pushed into the closet that they came out of, which is a great fucking part.
And that's why, you know, people got really upset about this whole Tosh thing.
And people got upset at the backlash.
But I think we can't ever pretend that intent is not important.
We can't ever pretend that there are buzzwords that you can never use or subjects which you can never cover or, you know, or you're not allowed to because someone could have possibly had a bad experience and you're going to trigger an event.
That's not comedy, man.
You can't have those sort of restrictions and have stand-up comedy.
It's not going to work that way.
You're going to miss out on a lot of great comedy.
Or even worse, how about the guy who goes to the Sikh temple and doesn't even understand that Sikhs are very peaceful people and thinks that they're Muslims in some way.
And he's got 9-11 tattoos on his body and he kills a bunch of people.
I think that the greedy, selfish, lying people tend to use complexity to their advantage.
And people who seem to be more on the fucking beam, as the Freemasons say, have very simple ideas, very simple fucking ideas Like what Gandhi said, you know?
Very simple idea.
Find someone who needs help and help them.
It's simple.
And right away some asshole's like, yeah, but what does that mean?
What does help mean?
It's like, I'll tell you what help means.
Somebody fucking might need you to loan them some money.
Somebody might need you to bring them some soup.
Somebody might need a ride to the fucking airport.
It's not complicated, man.
It's basic.
And if everyone starts following basic principles like that...
The real problem is we got this weird competitive game that's going on and it's set up not in an efficient way where we generate just the amount that we need in order to be happy, but in some crazy way where you never think enough is enough.
And the game becomes part of what motivates you.
And instead of it just being about happiness, it sometimes morphs into just being about the numbers.
Just being about the game.
Just being about accomplishments.
And you get nutty.
And you're like, you could become Evander Holyfield when you're living in a 110-room mansion that costs a million dollars a year to keep the electricity on.
I mean, people can get like that.
I saw a piece of real estate online the other day that was a house for 40 fucking million dollars.
And I was looking at this house.
I was like, that is the craziest fucking shit I've ever seen in my life.
But somewhere, there's a dude who's like, I'm ready to take it to the next level.
It's fucking weird, but it's, I mean, definitely, like, when I went up to, like, I went up to fucking Solving once to, like, to drink, like, wine from the vineyards, and it's awesome, dude.
It's incredible, the variations and the taste and the, like, the beauty of the set, of the terrain.
It was summer, and you get cars to drive around because you're going to get trash going to the vineyard slurping all that wine.
And our fucking goddamn driver was like an AA dude.
It's like, so our driver's this sober guy driving us to the vineyards, and you felt kind of guilty by the end of the day because you're just like in the back of the goddamn car with like crusty red wine all over your lips, like wanting to puke.
I wonder if things are really changing, Duncan, the way I feel like they're changing.
I wonder if it's just my circle of people, and I wonder if it's just the people that we come in contact with through the podcast and through Twitter, the positive people.
I wonder how much the world shares in the sort of the vibe that we feel and that we're riding.
And I always wonder if that is what, if putting that out there, if If it's possible that we can get our shit together by using the internet, by using podcasts, by using different ways to communicate to each other, that we can somehow or another all be reached and all get our shit together.
In this generation more so than anybody's ever done before.
Well, you know, man, I mean, I think that there has to be a, you know, everyone has to keep using the technology.
It's like, dude, like when I went to fucking Cincinnati, this guy, I met this awesome guy named Izzy, who started his own podcast from listening to your podcast and listening to my podcast.
He started his own podcast.
I call it Tales from the Hard Side.
The Hard Side?
Yeah.
But he was...
No, man.
He definitely is kind of like a ripped dude.
He's definitely had a very fascinating life.
But the point is, he listened to this...
And then he started his own podcast.
There's a group of them who hang out together now from listening to your podcast and from listening to my podcast.
And they started their own fucking podcast, which is a kind of cool thing.
You can't get hierarchical with your geography because a lot of people are like, you know, I just live in Pennsylvania.
There's no one here to have a good conversation with or wherever the fuck they say they live.
It's like, I guarantee you're surrounded by people who want to talk about philosophical shit and want to connect with someone on a level deeper than just what you had for lunch and what fucking clothes are cool or movies or whatever.
Man, all I know is that, like, I don't want to sound too weirdly patting myself on the back, but it's you, too.
Like, when you go to these fucking shows, dude, there's thousands of fucking people there, and when you talk to them after the show, they're all really fucking cool, and they didn't all just come from metropolitan areas.
These people are coming from different towns and cities, and But they have access to us.
To find those 2,000 disenfranchised people that really want to say, fuck yeah, Duncan Trussell.
Bust out a little hobo, bitch.
You know?
The people that listen to this podcast, the people that...
Look, I've had people come up to me that say, I hate the word cunt, and then I loved your podcast.
The first time I heard you say cunt, it bugged me.
But now I say it every day.
Now everything's a cunt.
Everyone's a cunt.
She's a cunt.
This is a cunt.
My cat's a cunt.
My sister's a cunt.
And it just becomes a part of your vernacular.
And that's nothing I'm proud of.
with something bad or stupid, ridiculous like the word cunt.
It can happen with any sort of idea.
Any idea can get through because of a podcast, like the idea of treating each other really as if we are ourselves living in another life.
The idea of recognizing that this really is a temporary situation.
Temporary situation, and you need to live it.
You need to live this bitch up, okay?
Because you're not going to feel good unless you do.
If you hang back and be that guy that you described earlier, who's 30, well, wait till I'm 40, I'll get my shit together, and then 40, and I still don't have a career, but hey, man, I got a good job, I'm going to keep it for a little while, maybe I'm going to learn how to be an apprentice, and then one day he's dead.
The guy who's gone on peaks and valleys and had dry spots and now is riding this new crazy wave where you sort of just figured out how to get on the board and really fucking travel.
Man, I just think, like, the thing that I'm, like, hesitating to say, because I don't want it to sound fucking culty, is, like, I really do think that people can, like, organize.
I do believe that wherever you're at, man, there's gotta be something.
There's ways that you could fucking figure out other people who, like, have this kind of interest that we talk about here.
Where you find out people that are interested in the same kind of shows that you're interested in, and you find out that you're in your town, hey, where's the cool motherfuckers up in Tallahassee?
And you put that up on Twitter, and you know, put Tallahassee as a hashtag.
And it's like, that, that, it's really fucking important because it's not just good enough to exist in fucking digital space with people.
You need, it's like something about getting into fucking meat space with people and like exchanging ideas and like being around people.
It like, it, it, it, uh.
It kind of shines a light in the shadowy darkness that can come into you if you've isolated yourself because you feel like you're a psychotic freak with insane ideas.
Instead of realizing, no, man, a lot of people are thinking this shit right now.
Well, I think Staggs is definitely on the precipice of some crazy shit happening, because he's definitely becoming a conduit for a lot of crazy ideas, and he always hooks me up with great guests.
So it's like, you know, again, but this is like people getting caught up in the surface level shit and trying to like, no, no, it's not going to happen on December 21st, 2012. But it's like, no, look what's happening around you.
I wonder if what they calculated when they calculated the Mayan calendars, besides, you know, the moons, rather the eclipse of the moon, eclipse of the sun, I wonder if they could calculate how long it would take For a culture to grow before it imploded.
I wonder if there's like just a set number.
Like a culture can only last.
It's like you can run and then you fall down.
And they figured that out a long time ago.
They're good for like these 10,000 year pulses or whatever the fuck it is.
Because I don't know if we know that they had writing 12,000 years ago.
I know it all depended upon whether or not that event, that 12,000 year old event, was really the sort of mass extinction event that like Graham Hancock and a lot of people think might have happened to human culture, or humankind rather, the human species.
Because there's a lot of speculation about when is the oldest civilization.
They pretty much settle on Mesopotamia.
They settle on Sumer.
But the Sumerian text details a long-lost civilization, an older, advanced civilization.
They kind of all do.
They all talk about some dudes who existed before or really had it down.
Well, by studying genetics, I believe that they've found several extinction events in the human genome, like they've isolated several events.
I don't understand the science behind this, so I really am talking like extremely deep out of my ass.
But I believe they've shown that when studying the DNA from different human beings of all over the world, they've concluded that there have been several times where the human species has gotten very low, as low as like a few thousand people.
And that, you know, we probably had a big number and then a much smaller number.
And it got as low as a few thousand people, and then we had to recover.
It's fucking amazing.
It's amazing what they found out just by studying genes, you know?
Well, isn't this kind of like one of the ideas of, like, the Freemasons or the Rosy Crucians or the secret societies is that the information from a very long time ago has been kept secret?
If you look at the street configurations of Washington, D.C. Have you seen that shit where it's like an anatomically correct eyeball looking out over a pyramid just like the eye and the dollar bill?
It's real weird when you look at, like, the money, and you see the fucking all-seeing eye in a pyramid on, you know, the cap of the pyramid is the all-seeing eye.
I mean, look, man, printing it on money, okay, but how about putting it into the goddamn geography of the fucking capital of the country that you made...
Trying to embody the ideals that, you know, you knew.
And you've encoded into the fucking very patterns.
I mean, look, man, there's a goddamn monolith, the Washington Monument, an obelisk, an Egyptian fucking obelisk rising up out of our nation's capital.
Well, I mean, dude, like, one thing that, like, over time, that time has proven again and again and again is that shit doesn't always work out great for the smart people with good ideas.
You end up getting thrown into basements by dumb people who are like, what the fuck are you talking about, Galileo?
They end up imprisoning you.
Sometimes they crucify you.
Sometimes they embarrass you.
Sometimes they take away your property.
So over time, really smart people were like, you know what?
Why don't we just fucking keep this shit to ourselves?
Well, I mean, yeah, it's definitely like, we do know that they're encoded into the fucking framework of our society and the goddamn architecture of our society with some very odd symbols.
Like, if you look at the cathedrals, you will find Gnostic symbols.
Chicken gods, Abraxas, you can see Abraxas in some cathedrals.
For some reason, the creepiest goddamn information-gathering surveillance company that's ever climbed out of the shadows or been exposed happened to name themselves after a Gnostic God with a chicken head.