May 28, 2012 - The Joe Rogan Experience
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| I've got to make sure my shit's off. | ||
| I don't want to be that guy. | ||
| The Joe Rogan Experience Podcast is brought to you by The Fleshlight. | ||
| You already know this. | ||
| I've said this a thousand times. | ||
| I've been using my Fleshlight, actually, for real, for the last week or so. | ||
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Really? | |
| By yourself? | ||
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No, no, yeah, by myself. | |
| But I've got that massage, that icy massage stuff for your back. | ||
| That makes it hot? | ||
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Yeah, it makes it cool, like tingly. | |
| I've been using that. | ||
| What? | ||
| Like a lube? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| That's the stuff that's like Tiger Balm or something. | ||
| Is that what you mean? | ||
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Yeah, it's the one that you just buy at the grocery store. | |
| Is it lube? | ||
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No, no, it's like massage oil for the cold one on my dick. | |
| And it doesn't seem like you should do that. | ||
| I've used the hot one before while having sex, and it destroyed the girl's vagina, and it was the worst night ever. | ||
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But the cool one you can get away with. | |
| What happened? | ||
| What happened? | ||
| I always thought for some reason like massage oil and oil and all that you could just put in the vagina. | ||
| It just never really occurred to me. | ||
| You say the vagina like it's a cabinet. | ||
| The vagina is just some area you could put things. | ||
| That's like human tissue that absorbs toxins and chemicals. | ||
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I know. | |
| I know that now. | ||
| She screamed and it ruined her whole night. | ||
| It got inflamed. | ||
| It went from hot, sexy time to fucking bitch-ass time. | ||
| But the cold one you can kind of get away with. | ||
| I've used the cold one on a girl before and I just didn't tell her. | ||
| What? | ||
| Why would you do that? | ||
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Because I didn't know. | |
| This was back when I didn't know. | ||
| And I thought it was just lotion. | ||
| And I used it. | ||
| And she never said anything bad. | ||
| It was the hot one that got me in trouble. | ||
| When you used it, what was the purpose of what we do? | ||
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For lube. | |
| She wasn't enjoying this? | ||
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Like in the ass and everything. | |
| Oh, hey! | ||
| I think that's even worse, dude. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I think probably your pussy's a little more durable than inside your asshole. | ||
| Well, I also used to always go ass to pussy, pussy to ass, never thought anything about it. | ||
| What did you do that for? | ||
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Because I never thought anything about it. | |
| Do you know anything about poop? | ||
| Now that I've dated some porn stars, I know everything possible, but I didn't know that with an Ohio girl. | ||
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They don't know that shit either. | |
| So they just fucking get infected and die? | ||
| What happens? | ||
| You could die from that, dude. | ||
| You're sticking poop inside your body. | ||
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Oh, I know that now. | |
| That's fucking wrong. | ||
| They should train those Ohio Midwest people about this stuff. | ||
| Somebody should at least bring it up. | ||
| It should be something you talk about. | ||
| Think about that. | ||
| The vagina is right next to the asshole. | ||
| And you're barely telling them about putting in the vagina. | ||
| Does putting in the asshole ever even come up? | ||
| But yet, in real life, it comes up all the time. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| That's school for you. | ||
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That's birds and bees. | |
| That's horseshit. | ||
| Well, I'm glad you never killed anybody with your poop vagina antics. | ||
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I feel bad. | |
| You should feel bad. | ||
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That's why I don't feel bad using the cold lube on my flashlight. | |
| So this cold lube, would you recommend this? | ||
| I mean, is this safe? | ||
| Is your dick going to fall off if you keep using it? | ||
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It's probably not safe. | |
| Don't do it. | ||
| It feels really, really good when your dick's like on ice, but it's throbbing. | ||
| You're a strange lad. | ||
| You're a strange lad. | ||
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And it numbs the fleshlight even more. | |
| Don't do it. | ||
| Listen, do not. | ||
| This is nothing we endorse. | ||
| I don't know what adverse effects that's going to have on your dick, you silly bitch. | ||
| For ladies and gentlemen, the regular folks out there only use actual, real sexual lubrication. | ||
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Flesh lube. | |
| Flesh lube is something that the fleshlight sells. | ||
| Fantastic stuff. | ||
| No need to deviate. | ||
| Yeah, and you know, honestly, now that I'm thinking about it, I think you're only supposed to use water-based lubes in your fleshlight because they will destroy them. | ||
| So I probably am fucking up my bitch pretty bad. | ||
| Oh, what are you doing then, man? | ||
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I'm destroying my fleshlight. | |
| Don't do that. | ||
| I got an extra one if you do, but don't do it. | ||
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Shit. | |
| It's a worthwhile thing. | ||
| You can keep one for years. | ||
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I know, but this is the Jenna Hayes special edition one. | |
| Destroy Jenna Hayes' butthole. | ||
| Does it have her little signature on it? | ||
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Yeah, it does. | |
| As if she would ever have her signature on her butthole. | ||
| That doesn't even fucking make sense. | ||
| I like to think it's just herpes. | ||
| Why would you sign that? | ||
| You like to think it's just herpes? | ||
| Imagine if your herpes was like a signature, like so you know exactly who gave it to you. | ||
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Jenna Hayes gave me this. | |
| You get fucking Joey T.S. herpes. | ||
| It's right here on your ass. | ||
| They should make death squad fleshlights. | ||
| They would, I'm sure. | ||
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For gay guys. | |
| Oh, you're disgusting. | ||
| You mean like we should pose? | ||
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No, we just mold our buttholes. | |
| Yeah, but that's what I'm saying. | ||
| You have to pose for that. | ||
| They have to model your asshole. | ||
| Would you be down with that? | ||
| If we got a percentage of the fleshlight, those girls make good money. | ||
| They do. | ||
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They make great money. | |
| So you're more than willing to let a rubber version of your asshole be distributed all over the world. | ||
| Why not? | ||
| Fuck yeah. | ||
| You're just because you're silly. | ||
| That's why. | ||
| Because what if some dude just gets really into the idea of fucking you in the ass? | ||
| Because he's been practicing on your fleshlight and he dresses up like you and he's got your fucking t-shirt on right now. | ||
| And if he had your little butthole fleshlight, that would come so close to completing the deal. | ||
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That's all he needs. | |
| No, all he needs is roof and all. | ||
| And some duct tape, and he's gonna fuck you on video. | ||
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And a handkerchief. | |
| Yeah, I don't think you should be, like, sending people the wrong message. | ||
| And the wrong message clearly is you can fuck my fake ass. | ||
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Olive Garden Butthole. | |
| Exactly. | ||
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Check it out. | |
| The Joe Rogan Experience. | ||
| Train by day. | ||
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Joe Rogan Podcast by night. | |
| All day. | ||
| My man. | ||
| My man got here, saw the whiskey on the table, right away cracked it open. | ||
| We're not even looking at 2pm and he was down. | ||
| I have to drink off my Vegas. | ||
| Is that what it is? | ||
| How bad was it for you? | ||
| It was a bad time. | ||
| It's a bad time. | ||
| Where'd you guys go? | ||
| You went to the fights. | ||
| We went to the fights. | ||
| It was awesome. | ||
| And then that night we went out to, we had ten vice guys there. | ||
| And three of them, I got calls the next day because the limos had their wallets in them. | ||
| Three separate cars. | ||
| They lost their wallet. | ||
| Pickpocket dudes must thrive on that. | ||
| When they see those stumbling guys on Monday morning that are barely together. | ||
| So wrecked from the weekend. | ||
| Well, the car drivers were nice. | ||
| They were like, hey, I'll come around and bring him back. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| They'd be happy and they're going to get a tip anyway. | ||
| The Vice videos that you guys did for Dan Hardy were fucking awesome, man. | ||
| That's really good stuff, man. | ||
| It's really creatively shot. | ||
| It's intriguing. | ||
| The music was good. | ||
| The choices of when to put music and when to put no sound. | ||
| It was really interesting, man. | ||
| I thought it was great. | ||
| The whole scene where he's driving, I was like, this is fucking cool. | ||
| I love Dan Hardy. | ||
| He's awesome. | ||
| He's quite a personality. | ||
| I love the other guy too, Dwayne Ludwig, his opponent. | ||
| So it was hard to watch one guy lose and one guy win. | ||
| It always is, but... | ||
| It's nice to see Dan Hardy successful again. | ||
| I love a story like that, man. | ||
| I love when a guy takes this Jamie Varner kid that fought this weekend. | ||
| Did you see that? | ||
| He went to some small shows, lost all his motivation, started getting beat by guys that should never beat him. | ||
| And then all of a sudden, he just, for whatever reason, left to figure it out. | ||
| When he talked to him, decided to get his shit together again and just trained like a fucking madman. | ||
| They give him another shot in the UFC, and he just goes and knocks out Edson Barboza, who's like one of the top ten killers at 155 pounds in the world. | ||
| The last time Barboza was in the ring was in Brazil where he fucking wheel kicked Terry Edom in the head and knocked him unconscious. | ||
| I mean, he's a dangerous, dangerous dude. | ||
| And Jamie Varner fucked him up, man. | ||
| It was crazy. | ||
| I love a story like that. | ||
| I love a dude who just gets it together. | ||
| There you go. | ||
| It's like one of my favorite things in life. | ||
| I love a guy who can keep it together, but man, I love a dude who loses it and gets it back. | ||
| That's fascinating to me. | ||
| I'm trying to think of a boxer that lost it and got it back. | ||
| Not very many. | ||
| Because the Cinderella story is that they had the boxing film recently about the old guy. | ||
| Oh, that's pretty good. | ||
| The old time guy who had to fix his arm by picking up the crates. | ||
| Who's that guy? | ||
| Which guy was that? | ||
| Ah, fuck no. | ||
| How long ago was this movie? | ||
| Like 10, in the last 10 years. | ||
| Is that Russell Crowe? | ||
| Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Braddock. | ||
| Yeah, Braddock. | ||
| James Braddock, yeah. | ||
| They got that shit together. | ||
| I didn't see that. | ||
| No. | ||
| I saw, like, a clip of it, and it looked so hokey, Hollywood. | ||
| I was like, get the fuck out of here. | ||
| It was hokey. | ||
| I hate when a guy who's that good, like Russell Crowe, gets stuck in a movie like that. | ||
| You're using one of the best actors ever, and you got him in this goofy-ass movie, this fucking fake-ass boxing movie when guys throw fake-ass-looking punches. | ||
| There's not a whole lot of guys that have ever pulled off a real good fight scene in a movie. | ||
| Right. | ||
| It's hard. | ||
| It's hard to fake that shit. | ||
| That's the beauty of watching it in real life. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's so crazy. | ||
| If you've never seen it before, folks, you owe it to yourself for once in your life if you're a UFC fan to get tickets and go to see a live event if it comes anywhere near you because it's fucking crazy. | ||
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Yeah, it's awesome. | |
| When you're right there too, I mean, I've been like inches away from some of the craziest moments in combat history, combat sports history. | ||
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And the best seats, believe it or not, are not floor. | |
| It's about halfway up where you're almost just a little bit over the top. | ||
| Yeah, you're right, you're right. | ||
| The best seats are not the most expensive ones. | ||
| The above angle is a great angle, especially like that first riser, I think that's what it's called. | ||
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Yeah, the first riser. | |
| So what happened? | ||
| You just kept going? | ||
| You just kept going all through Friday, all through Saturday, all through Sunday? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I came straight here. | ||
| Damn, dude. | ||
| Any sleep? | ||
| In the limos, you know. | ||
| We would pass out and then sort of keep going. | ||
| But yeah, a little bit of sleep. | ||
| Dude. | ||
| I'm old now, so I can't. | ||
| You're a fucking savage. | ||
| You're still out there going wheels off, man. | ||
| You still go wheels off the tracks into the woods. | ||
| You still do it, huh? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's fun, isn't it? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I wish that alcohol didn't have such a penalty, such a steep penalty on your body. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I love getting drunk. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know? | ||
| I mean, I'm really responsible about it. | ||
| I try not to do it, you know, to the point of excess or that I don't ever drive. | ||
| But I do like getting fucked up. | ||
| That's why I like doing shots like in Vegas after a show. | ||
| It's like, let's just get fucked up. | ||
| You know, when last time Eddie and Tom Segura and I got fucked up in Australia, we're like, we're not Australia. | ||
| I ain't got no responsibility to see it. | ||
| Let's get fucking blasted. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You know? | ||
| Damn, the price is just ruthless on your body. | ||
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I'm pretty drunk still. | |
| I was kind of drunk driving here. | ||
| What? | ||
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For real? | |
| Yeah, because I woke up and went straight here, so I felt like I was still pretty fucked up from last night. | ||
| You really think that you could have got pulled over and arrested? | ||
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Probably not. | |
| I probably would be fine, but it felt like I was buzzed still from last night. | ||
| Damn, dude. | ||
| You're going wheels off, too. | ||
| Both of you motherfuckers. | ||
| Putting me to shame. | ||
| I'm not putting you to shame on anything. | ||
| I don't know what I'm allowed to say on the air. | ||
| You can say anything about whiskey. | ||
| Don't say too much. | ||
| Don't get crazy. | ||
| What are you going to say? | ||
| I was going to say, you gave me something. | ||
| The walls have ears, sir! | ||
| Jack Daniel's honey is my new thing. | ||
| Doing shots of that is my new thing. | ||
| It's delicious for poison. | ||
| As far as poison goes, it's the best stuff. | ||
| What's your poison, man? | ||
| Well, I love whiskey, but I like shitty Irish whiskey, like Bushmills. | ||
| Really? | ||
| That's the kind of stuff you like? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The more expensive Scotch is, it more tastes like Scotts. | ||
| Scotts sucks. | ||
| I like to just drink all shitty whiskey. | ||
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Really? | |
| That's interesting. | ||
| Is that common? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I thought the smooth stuff was the stuff that was really old and super expensive. | ||
| No, it's really smoky. | ||
| That's really smoky stuff. | ||
| I like peat, which is Irish whiskey. | ||
| It tastes like peat. | ||
| They boil it over peat bog. | ||
| The only time I've ever had really good whiskey is there was a guy named Josh Lieb. | ||
| He was one of the writers on news radio. | ||
| Very funny guy. | ||
| Very nice guy. | ||
| And he was just a really interesting character. | ||
| And he was into like really old whiskey. | ||
| And I was like, how much does that cost? | ||
| And he was like, it was like something insane, like $100 a glass or something like that. | ||
| I'm like, what? | ||
| Really? | ||
| And I'm like, what the fuck does it taste like? | ||
| And he let me try some of it. | ||
| Because he was like, wow, that is kind of a strange thing to have created. | ||
| It's a very distinct sort of taste. | ||
| But I wouldn't say it's good. | ||
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Right? | |
| Yeah, no. | ||
| None of it's good. | ||
| No. | ||
| Just cheap whiskey is good. | ||
| The feeling of it is good. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So where are you coming back from, man? | ||
| What's the latest world travels? | ||
| Well, we've been shooting a lot. | ||
| So we shot January and February in Afghanistan, which was seriously heavy because we did a story on... | ||
| Child suicide bombers. | ||
| And so we got incredible access to kids who actually were caught before they could ignite their vests. | ||
| And then we met the senior Taliban guy in Kabul who is supposedly supposed to be in Pakistan, but we actually interviewed him in Kabul. | ||
| Everyone's freaking out about that because they didn't know he was in Kabul. | ||
| So you sat down with this guy? | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Whoa! | ||
| What was that like? | ||
| They don't have a good outfit for sort of looking benevolent. | ||
| He looked like the devil. | ||
| He looked really bad and evil. | ||
| And I asked him about child suicide bombing because they're using younger and younger kids now because they get past the checkpoints. | ||
| And he said, yeah. | ||
| You know, they actually admitted on air that they were using children as suicide, as transportation devices for dynamite. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| I mean, that's the best way to describe it. | ||
| Transportation devices for dynamite. | ||
| They've essentially said, you know, not only are we willing to kill our own, we'll kill innocent. | ||
| We'll kill children to further our agenda. | ||
| That's scary shit. | ||
| That's fucking scary shit, man. | ||
| What was it like talking to that guy? | ||
| Well, you know, so he was arrested for kidnapping Westerners and UN people. | ||
| And he had been imprisoned and somehow gotten out in Pakistan. | ||
| So the Pakistanis let him out. | ||
| And then he'd snuck back into Kabul. | ||
| So you're meeting a guy who's been arrested many times for kidnapping Westerners for political means. | ||
| So that's weird. | ||
| Two is you go out and he's surrounded by his Talib soldiers. | ||
| So he's got like 20 or 30 guys in the courtyard all sort of checking you out. | ||
| And then if you say anything wrong or do anything wrong, then You know, they'll just take you away. | ||
| They don't give a shit. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So, it was a bit nerve-wracking, and he's a seriously bad dude. | ||
| I mean, he was a commander in the Mujahideen, and then he became Taliban, and then was one of the senior commanders when they were in control of all of Afghanistan, and then had to flee to Pakistan, and now he's back. | ||
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Do they know who let him out and why? | |
| Well, the Pakistani government has been sponsoring the Taliban. | ||
| Isn't that incredible that they can get people into jail over there and then they can just sort of let them out? | ||
| Really bad guys that people have tried so hard to capture. | ||
| They're resisting this whole idea. | ||
| Well, it's also 100% corrupt. | ||
| I mean, you can buy your way out of jail in Pakistan, buy your way out of jail in Afghanistan, but if you're On the right side of the ISI in Pakistan, which the Taliban are, then you can do whatever you want. | ||
| But the ISI were the ones protecting Bin Laden. | ||
| So how does something like this, I mean whatever you can say about it, how does something like this get arranged? | ||
| Well, in Afghanistan we're lucky because there was a guy named Saad Mashuni who runs Tolo News, which is the sort of main news, you know, pro-Western news in Afghanistan. | ||
| And so he, you know, had a lot of... | ||
| He can get you to sort of see anybody in Afghanistan. | ||
| And so he got us in to talk to the suicide bombers, the kids, and he got us in to talk to the secret police about that, and he got us in to talk to the Taliban. | ||
| So you set up this meeting with this guy. | ||
| How long is the entire meeting? | ||
| Maybe an hour. | ||
| So how long have you in his presence? | ||
| The whole time you're in his presence just an hour? | ||
| Yeah, like an hour. | ||
| Just straight in, start, get out. | ||
| How do you get out of that kind of conversation? | ||
| That seems like a conversation that should take a hundred years. | ||
| Do you have to tiptoe when you're discussing things? | ||
| Are you biting your tongue? | ||
| Well, I had to ask him a lot of unpleasant questions. | ||
| Yeah, that's what I'm saying. | ||
| How did you do that? | ||
| Well, you know, for example, I'd say, you know, you were a Mujahideen general. | ||
| You know what it's like to lead troops. | ||
| You know, these people trained to fight. | ||
| How do you feel about sending, you know, six-year-olds, you know, to be transportation devices for bombs? | ||
| And so you couch it in such a way that, like, you're a general and... | ||
| Right, right, right, right. | ||
| Because generally a lot of the Taliban fighters themselves, you know, don't condone the suicide bombing, but he did. | ||
| He said, well, he wouldn't answer it. | ||
| He said, there's a Pashtun saying, there's a tiger above me and a river below me, i.e., like, I'm screwed if I do and screw him if I don't, so he wouldn't talk to us about it. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| How often are they having suicide bombs go off over there? | ||
| About 200 times a year, so nearly every day there's a suicide bomb, and they're getting more and more effective. | ||
| They just had the first civilian suicide bomb, so not military targets, and it was a complete disaster. | ||
| They actually had seven suicide bombers. | ||
| Not a lot of people maybe know this in America, but there was an empty building across the way from the American Embassy and they had these seven suicide attackers actually dressed in burqas with their weapons under the burqas take over the building and they held the American Embassy hostage with like a full-on firefight in the middle of Kabul for over 24 hours before they could kill these seven dudes. | ||
| It was crazy. | ||
| We have footage of it all. | ||
| And it's totally fucking insane. | ||
| Holy shit. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But what the Taliban guy says, which is pretty interesting, is that they use suicide attackers and suicide bombers because that's what's going to get America out. | ||
| And you go, well, you know, fuck you. | ||
| But in reality, that's true. | ||
| Because what happened is America went in to get Al-Qaeda and the Taliban out of Afghanistan. | ||
| And now our government is negotiating with the Taliban to see exactly how much power they'll have when we leave. | ||
| So you're like, okay, well... | ||
| Jesus Christ. | ||
| What a clusterfuck. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| None of this is being reported in the mainstream news. | ||
| It's certainly not being talked about like that. | ||
| You see Karzai sits down with Obama, and they all seem to be playing nice-nice with each other. | ||
| And this is all what's going on behind the scenes. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, it's been reported that they've started to negotiate with the Taliban. | ||
| I was surprised that there hasn't been sort of more outrage because people, I guess, are so sick of the war. | ||
| They're just like, well, fine, you know, they're negotiating with them, but... | ||
| So who is negotiating? | ||
| The United States is? | ||
| Yeah, and NATO, yeah. | ||
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And what are they negotiating? | |
| Power. | ||
| When the Americans leave, how much power they'll have, how they're going to share power, etc., etc. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Isn't that the whole purpose of this? | ||
| Is try to stop those guys? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And then they're negotiating with them about how much power they get. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| So what does that mean? | ||
| That means we lost the war? | ||
| Are Americans ever going to say we lost a war? | ||
| We're like that dude. | ||
| You could beat our dick into the dirt for a hundred years. | ||
| And we're like, that wasn't even a war. | ||
| It was a conflict. | ||
| It was a police action. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| We will never admit that. | ||
| We don't even admit we lost Vietnam. | ||
| We pulled out of Vietnam. | ||
| It's like, whatever. | ||
| We got tired of kicking your ass. | ||
| This is a weird country, man. | ||
| You know, Afghanistan, they for sure 100% lost Afghanistan. | ||
| I mean, what did you do? | ||
| Yeah, what happened? | ||
| You went in to try to get the Taliban out. | ||
| Now you're negotiating to give them power back. | ||
| Ten years, all that money, all those lives lost. | ||
| And for what? | ||
| What's the end result? | ||
| Because actually, when you're there, you realize, oh, the minute the Americans leave, there'll be a civil war. | ||
| So it's going to be back in the exact situation of a civil war with a massive Taliban presence in Afghanistan. | ||
| So, 12 years down the drain. | ||
| My God, what a mess. | ||
| How horrible must it feel to the families of people who lost children over there? | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| And then you just realize this whole thing was a clusterfuck. | ||
| The thing that gets me is just, how does anybody look at Vietnam and not learn? | ||
| How do we not learn? | ||
| It's like, this is the same shit. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's the exact same shit. | ||
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Mm-hmm. | |
| We get manipulated into these wars by special interests. | ||
| And this is exactly what it is, folks. | ||
| And you've been tricked into thinking that this was some fucking, some justice mission. | ||
| You know? | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| It's madness. | ||
| What do you think they're over there for? | ||
| What's the number one resource they're trying to grab over there? | ||
| Who? | ||
| The United States. | ||
| Well, I think they got into a war. | ||
| I shouldn't say the United States. | ||
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What I should say is the corporations that are trying to profit from this. | |
| Look, I think they had to go in because they couldn't just go into Iraq. | ||
| Iraq was about oil. | ||
| They couldn't just go into Iraq. | ||
| They had to say, well, we have to go get the guys who did this from 9-11. | ||
| And then they went in. | ||
| But they could have gone in with a surgical team, got the guys, and got out. | ||
| I mean, you don't have to take over the whole country. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Why do you think that they had to say, we're going to go into Iraq, excuse me, Afghanistan as well? | ||
| Like, why? | ||
| Well, because Iraq was a complete construct. | ||
| They made it all up. | ||
| That's 100%. | ||
| They're like, they're trying to tie Iraq with 9-11. | ||
| You're like, well, it had nothing to do with it. | ||
| Iraq, 100% to do with oil. | ||
| With oil. | ||
| Well, they manufactured why we went there. | ||
| 9-11 was like, yes, they already had plans to go in there before, but 9-11 would say, yes, we're going to go in there after Al-Qaeda. | ||
| But they knew that they had to actually go to the place where it was. | ||
| They had to do the true thing so that they could get what they wanted, which was Iraq. | ||
| Oh, so you feel like Afghanistan was almost like a secondary operation? | ||
| 100%, yeah. | ||
| Whoa. | ||
| And then it became the primary operation because it was such a clusterfuck. | ||
| Well, what about all the resources that they keep finding over there? | ||
| Like they just found trillions of dollars in minerals. | ||
| Do you think that plays a part in the idea to occupy as well? | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| I mean, I think that now what's happening is Chinese companies are coming in as they do because they're sort of not blame-free, but they're sort of like, oh, we haven't been conflicted by this conflict. | ||
| Much like they've done in Africa, you know, wherever America sort of, you know, pissed people off or done bad things, and China just comes in and says, oh, we'll trade with you, you know. | ||
| That's got to be a trip, man. | ||
| Well, because America goes and sees things, and for better or for worse, let's try to fix it, and then there's problems, and then they put sanctions on people. | ||
| And China just says, I don't give a shit what you do. | ||
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Wow. | |
| You can do whatever you want to do. | ||
| Just give me your... | ||
| Tritium or whatever it is. | ||
| Wow, China just rocks a Game of Thrones style. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They go old school empire ways. | ||
| We don't impose any... | ||
| We got our own fucking problems. | ||
| We got a billion people living on one patch of dirt. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Yeah, they're always going to beat Americans with that attitude. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| As far as business goes and getting into creepy places. | ||
| Right. | ||
| They'll just sneak right in. | ||
| So they're in Afghanistan, you think, trying to get these minerals. | ||
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Right. | |
| Yeah, well, for sure. | ||
| Chinese companies are in there. | ||
| I mean, there's a lot of companies in there, but the problem is going to be stability because the minute Americans pull out, it's going to be full-on civil war. | ||
| So you can't really go and get minutes when people are shooting rockets at you. | ||
| Now, knowing what a clusterfuck it is, knowing how crazy it is, was it like being over there, you as a person, as an outsider, a Canadian, in fact, out there watching this fucking chaos and filming it? | ||
| What was that like for you? | ||
| You know, I got on the plane to come home and I was on my iPod. | ||
| I need a fucking drink now. | ||
| I was on my iPod or the iPad and, you know, there was a plane, you know, it was like soaring through the air and you could see space and all this stuff. | ||
| And because when you're in Afghanistan, it sort of feels like 5,000 years ago because everything's sort of, you know, these sort of mud huts and it's sun-baked and it looks like it hasn't, a lot of it looks like it hasn't changed in 5,000 years. | ||
| So you really sort of, wow, this is modernity. | ||
| This is the modern age. | ||
| This is the 21st century. | ||
| Because we have all these crazy things that you can sort of tweet from Afghanistan or whatever. | ||
| Technology. | ||
| But then these, at the same time, you have this sort of devolution where we're sending kids to blow our shit up because it's effective. | ||
| And so there's been a lot of what I've seen this past year, this past year of shooting, which is it feels like half of humanity is just going completely backwards. | ||
| Now, seeing that and then flying back into New York City, what the fuck does that contrast feel like? | ||
| You take these mad trips and then when you come home and you see... | ||
| What's possible at the apex of civilization right now as far as cities and a place where you can go safely and a place that doesn't have guns and bombs blowing up constantly. | ||
| No wonder why that's where the terrorist attacks occurred. | ||
| No wonder why that's where the September 11th attacks occurred, right? | ||
| For sure. | ||
| I mean, it was, you know, incredibly successful. | ||
| You know, when you fly in, you still see that the Twin Towers aren't there. | ||
| Actually, we start our piece with that. | ||
| Because we say, actually, the most successful suicide bombing of all time was 9-11, suicide attack. | ||
| Because it started the Iraq War. | ||
| It started Afghanistan. | ||
| You know, both of which are still going on. | ||
| And, you know, completely polarized the world. | ||
| And it actually... | ||
| Suicide attacks were, and when we did the research, it was a few months ago, and I've had a few ales, so don't quote me on the exact percentages, but the percentages are insane. | ||
| It was like suicide attacks were 3-5% of all terrorism before 9-11, and now they're like 97% of all. | ||
| Jesus Christ. | ||
| Yeah, because it's so successful. | ||
| What is it like as a sane, rational person traveling around to the most fucked up places on Earth and seeing humanity at its worst? | ||
| What the fuck does that feel like? | ||
| That's a hard question. | ||
| You're such a nice guy. | ||
| You're such a jovial guy. | ||
| Every time I see you, you're smiling and hugging people. | ||
| You seem like such a warm and friendly person for you to get thrust constantly into these horrific situations where you get to see people just handed the shittiest fucking hand of cards in the history of life. | ||
| Like, here you are, 2012, the internet's here, the fucking, you know, the age of information is here, but you're involved in some sort of crazy religious war, and people are blowing themselves up when they're six. | ||
| You're in the worst spot. | ||
| Yeah, well, I mean, you, the reason why I'm happy is because you're thankful for what you have when you see what, you know, everybody else doesn't have. | ||
| Were you happy before you did all this? | ||
| Yeah, I'm a pretty happy guy. | ||
| So it just enhanced your happiness to see how fortunate you are and your circumstances. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Fuck, man. | ||
| That's a serious trip to be spending a large percentage of your time on this earth seeing the terrible spots. | ||
| Most people are trying to fly into Hawaii for the weekend and chill. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Your job is to go to some of the scariest parts on earth. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It doesn't seem that freaky at the time because you just want to get the story and like, yes, we got into Somalia. | ||
| We're going to hang out with the pirates. | ||
| You're like, yes, we've been working on that for a while. | ||
| Did you guys go to the Somalia and hang out with the pirates? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Oh, my God. | ||
| But then you get in there and you're nervous and, you know, fuck. | ||
| You didn't think they would kidnap you? | ||
| Well, we pay them to kidnap us because you pay the kidnapping fee. | ||
| How much is the kidnapping fee? | ||
| Fifteen grand. | ||
| So you pay them what they would charge for a kidnapping, but not to kidnap you. | ||
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| Yeah. | ||
| Which is fine. | ||
| I mean, it's like just saying, well, you know... | ||
| Fifteen grand seems pretty reasonable. | ||
| That's all it is? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But isn't it more for other people if they catch some billionaire yacht people? | ||
| We did a bunch of shooting. | ||
| We shot a lot in Kenya with refugees and we shot around Puntland and now we're shooting Mogadishu to round it up. | ||
| It depends on the show. | ||
| But anyway, so when you're there, all you're thinking about is, you know, we've got to get the shot, or we've got to get this, or we've got to get that. | ||
| And it's only when you come back, and you're sort of having dinner somewhere, and they're like, where were you? | ||
| Oh, I was with the pirates in Mogadishu. | ||
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Jesus! | |
| Christ! | ||
| But you don't really think about it so much at the time. | ||
| A lot of people are horrified about the Somali pirates and they're like, this is a terrible situation. | ||
| But what they don't understand is that those people really got fucked into that situation. | ||
| They had almost no choice. | ||
| The Somali pirates started out when these Somali soldiers would go after people who were dumping toxic waste off their shores. | ||
| It was killing all their fish and poisoning their people. | ||
| And these are, they're a fisherman's culture. | ||
| I mean, could you imagine you're a culture of fishermen? | ||
| And, you know, they don't have a history of going after people and kidnapping people. | ||
| They're just trying to fucking make a living, and all of a sudden some assholes are, you know, driving around in their boats, floating around a couple miles out, just dumping horrible shit into their ocean. | ||
| And it's fucking up the whole ocean, and they get to see it right before their eyes. | ||
| They're the mother earth becoming, you know, Poisoned. | ||
| The fish poisoning and people getting poisoned and sick. | ||
| So they started kidnapping them. | ||
| They started kidnapping those people and demanding ransom from these companies that have poisoned their water. | ||
| And then they started saying, you know what? | ||
| Fuck it. | ||
| Let's just kidnap anybody who drives by. | ||
| That's what we do now. | ||
| And that's what it became. | ||
| Those asshole corporations that were dumping their shit off the Somalia coast, they made monsters. | ||
| You know, those people should be fucking held responsible for a cleanup just as much as they should be responsible for a toxic cleanup. | ||
| They should be responsible for a cultural cleanup. | ||
| If they can actually find out who dumped all that shit and all the different corporations involved, it's probably a whole lot of them. | ||
| They could probably get a fuckload of money out of it if the world had any sort of a real court. | ||
| Well, the problem is a lot of it was radioactive waste. | ||
| So it irradiated the sea and irradiated the beaches. | ||
| And before that, Chinese, Japanese, Portuguese, and Spanish fishing companies completely overfished it and then irradiated it. | ||
| So they were totally fucked. | ||
| There's actually a great movie called Fishing Without Nets, which is about that. | ||
| They were all fishermen and now there's no fish. | ||
| So they just take the same boat out and then they go. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| We're working on a story there right now about the American government is financing sort of Islamist extremists, you know, to fight al-Shabaab who are, you know, the bad boys over there. | ||
| And so we're trying to figure out if that's true. | ||
| So the story is that the American government is funding Muslim extremists who are going to fight these bad guys in Africa. | ||
| Exactly the same as what happened in Afghanistan. | ||
| The Mujahideen against the Soviet Union. | ||
| And then they became the Taliban. | ||
| Jesus Christ. | ||
| We just don't ever learn. | ||
| But how does one fix this mess that we're in? | ||
| How does one put the world straight on its axis? | ||
| Or does that ever happen? | ||
| Is this just the way people roll? | ||
| We're just fucking constantly involved in chaos and love at the same time? | ||
| Well, a lot of people... | ||
| Meddling other people's stuff and then we have to go and we have to save them and you're like you know we have to save them from who themselves you know like oh you know Saddam was such a bad guy as opposed to who you know supposed to like Charles Taylor like you know so there's a lot of geopolitics and you know sort of geopolitical you know gamesmanship It has been the cause of a lot of these problems, but now it's 99% always economics. | ||
| If you look at, we have resource-based wealth, one in every three countries with resource-based wealth has a civil war every four years, whereas the remaining countries don't have any civil wars or haven't had a civil war for a hundred years. | ||
| The percentages are insane. | ||
| So now, like Afghanistan, you were just saying, but a lot of the African countries now, they're like, oh, rare earth metals that didn't used to be worth money are now in every cell phone. | ||
| So the war in the Congo is now the 10th bloodiest war in history, and it's all because of Coltan, which is needed to make iPads and iPhones. | ||
| It's so ironic that at the height of technology, the iPad 3, front-facing camera, HD screen, if you follow that all the way down, there's an African boy that's picking out this mineral out of a hole in the earth. | ||
| That spectrum is quite fascinating. | ||
| That spectrum goes back to just the invention of tools and figuring out iron and shit, pulling stuff out of the earth all the way to the height of technology. | ||
| We're weird, man. | ||
| We are fucking strange. | ||
| Human beings are so bizarre. | ||
| How much do you look at life? | ||
| I mean, your experiences are far more extreme than mine, and most people on this planet, I think. | ||
| How do you... | ||
| Do you look at this sometimes like it's a big work of fiction? | ||
| Do you look at life sometimes like, this is just fucking so nutty, it doesn't seem like it could be real? | ||
| I mean, if anybody has seen the nuttiest... | ||
| You might have witnessed some of the nuttiest shit on Earth. | ||
| And come back to talk about it. | ||
| I mean, you've got, in one life, think of all the fucking places you've been. | ||
| Does it feel real? | ||
| What we always say about vice, what's the political sort of stance of vice? | ||
| We say, we don't have one. | ||
| It's that the modern condition is absurd. | ||
| There's the absurdity of fucking this modern. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| Like, it's fucking nuts. | ||
| And then when you go out and see exactly how nuts it is, it keeps getting crazier and crazier and crazier. | ||
| Cities get bigger. | ||
| Stories are more insane. | ||
| You know, we were just shooting in Karachi, which is a completely failed city. | ||
| They have 100 plus killings a night. | ||
| You can hire a killer there to kill someone for 10 bucks. | ||
| Actually, we rode around with one of these contract killers. | ||
| And it's just shocking. | ||
| You rode around with a contract killer? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| What the fuck is that like? | ||
| Well, Saru Shaovi, my partner, did that story because I wouldn't have lasted long in doing that story in Karachi. | ||
| Why wouldn't you have lasted? | ||
| Well, Karachi is run by gangs, by Haqqani Network, who are Taliban-related sort of mafia gang family. | ||
| And then they have various Balochistan gangs, and then they have the heroin trafficking gangs. | ||
| And they're all fighting each other continually. | ||
| It's insanely violent, and basically, if you're Caucasian, there's no tourists there, for example. | ||
| There's no reason for you to be there. | ||
| It's just complete Wild West shit. | ||
| It's so hard for people in Pasadena to believe, you know, driving around in Pasadena, that this co-exists on the Earth at the same time as life. | ||
| You have to picture it's like Escape from New York or something. | ||
| I mean, Karachi's bigger than New York. | ||
| And it's just... | ||
| What part of the world is it again? | ||
| It's Pakistan, but it's on the ocean. | ||
| And it's a huge city. | ||
| And it's just complete fucking anarchy. | ||
| Complete fucking chaos. | ||
| Whoa. | ||
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| It's a war. | ||
| It's a war zone. | ||
| How many millions of people live in this city? | ||
| 18 to 20 million. | ||
| Jesus Christ! | ||
| But all just going crazy. | ||
| 18 to 20 million people live in Wild West. | ||
| How do we not know about this? | ||
| How do we not know about this? | ||
| That's incredible. | ||
| Well, people know that Karachi's bad. | ||
| Not like you described it. | ||
| You described it like a movie. | ||
| Like if Steven Spielberg decided to make a movie about that and told you that that city's going down right now on Earth, you'd be like, bitch, you don't think I'd know about that? | ||
| It is a movie. | ||
| I mean, don't you think that's something that would be really, really popular? | ||
| No one ever talks about that. | ||
| If they made a movie right now about that part of the world, described it the way you described it, like some crazy horror movie about civilization gone wrong. | ||
| That's what it is. | ||
| Some Mad Max reality that's existing, coexisting right now, just as big as New York. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| We'd go, no way. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| We'd go, no way. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, Karachi is complete chaos. | ||
| Scary as hell. | ||
| Scary as hell. | ||
| You know, Pakistanis are like, no one goes there. | ||
| Why would you go there? | ||
| No one goes there, but 20 million people live there. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| That is crazy. | ||
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It's crazy. | |
| Just shit burning in the streets. | ||
| People pop, pop, pop. | ||
| People getting killed. | ||
| Oh, my God. | ||
| Like running gun battles through the streets. | ||
| So you couldn't go. | ||
| So you said, what does your correspondent look like? | ||
| Surush, he's Pakistani. | ||
| He also snuck into the gun markets, the Taliban gun markets, when the Americans said that the war was over. | ||
| And the Taliban were coming across into Northwest Frontier Province and getting 1,000 handmade guns. | ||
| They make their own guns by hand. | ||
| Like little kids make the guns. | ||
| And 1,000 were going over every day. | ||
| And we're like, well, if the war is over, why is it that there are 1,000 guns going across the border every day? | ||
| And so we broke that story. | ||
| That was Saroosh. | ||
| And he just went back to Pakistan. | ||
| And his story of Karachi is fucking insane. | ||
| He's got unique access, you know. | ||
| Does he have video? | ||
| Does he have footage? | ||
| Oh yeah. | ||
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| He has video, I think that's going to go up within the next month. | ||
| You've got to let me know the moment that comes up. | ||
| He has video of him riding around with his contract killer, obviously. | ||
| He's just sort of going from thing to thing with his gun and they wear these moped helmets. | ||
| And then, so you can't see who they are. | ||
| You know, that's an insane thing too. | ||
| They kill people for ten bucks? | ||
| Ten bucks. | ||
| There's an increase, or maybe it's just an increase of awareness, or our awareness, but there's an increase in sort of assassination availability and sort of there's been a price decrease or whatever, you know, because now we go and we see like in Karachi, They have contract killers everywhere. | ||
| We were shooting a lot recently in Juarez in northern Mexico. | ||
| And they have centenarios that get paid 200 bucks a month. | ||
| And their job is just to kill people. | ||
| Like, they're just the fucking muscle. | ||
| They're assassins, you know? | ||
| And when we were there, Juarez is actually the most dangerous town in the world for journalists. | ||
| It's the same as, so there's El Paso on the Texas side, same city, and it's one of the safest cities in America. | ||
| And then you go right across the border and it's one of the most dangerous cities in the world, but it's the most dangerous city in the world for journalists, number one. | ||
| Why is that? | ||
| Because it's the drug cartels that run it, and they're smugglers, and so they don't want anyone to ever film their shit. | ||
| So instead of, like, coming up to you when you have your camera and saying, hey, why are you carrying that camera? | ||
| What are you shooting? | ||
| They just see a camera and go, bang. | ||
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Jesus Christ. | |
| No point in asking a question. | ||
| And they make a lot of, if you write about something, they cut off your head and they write the story on your flesh with blood and all this stuff, and so that, you know, journalists just don't go there anymore. | ||
| That is kind of crazy that we're right next to a third world country involved in the biggest drug war in the history of the world. | ||
| Most Americans are blissfully unaware. | ||
| We shot a big piece on that. | ||
| Of course you did. | ||
| Did you get embedded? | ||
| Well, we got embedded with people who were fighting. | ||
| This is a pretty freaky story, though. | ||
| I don't know how much I'm allowed to say. | ||
| Oh, really? | ||
| Give him another drink. | ||
| Give him another drink. | ||
| I can say a lot. | ||
| But it's a very complex story, and we're going to cause some waves. | ||
| But basically, we were down in Mexico. | ||
| We'd done some stuff with the cartels. | ||
| Incredibly difficult. | ||
| Most difficult... | ||
| Stories to get right now today are cartel stories because they just kill everybody. | ||
| But we started hanging out with the people who were fighting the cartels who are Mormon colonies that originated in America so that they could keep practicing polygamy. | ||
| They went to northern Mexico and they formed polygamist Mormon colonies there. | ||
| And because the colonies did well, the cartels started targeting them and started kidnapping them and killing them. | ||
| And so the Mormon colonies started arming themselves and fighting against the cartels. | ||
| So there's been a war between the Mormon colonies and the narcos. | ||
| And we went down there to live in the colonies and we were hanging out with the LeBarons, who I don't know if you've ever heard of, but they have a crazy story of they had one of their... | ||
| He believed that he had the power of blood atonement, so he was killing all the people in the church that were trying to mess with him. | ||
| So he had about 30 or maybe had 50 children, nearly 50 children, and he had them work as assassins for him in this bloody war that they had down there. | ||
| This is all happening not in the 1880s. | ||
| This is happening in the 1980s. | ||
| This is happening in, like, Blues Brothers' 80s. | ||
| Oh, my God. | ||
| And so they have this crazy war, but they arm themselves, right, because they're all fighting within the family. | ||
| And then because of that, when the narcos attacked them, they were sort of armed and ready to go and badasses, so they started fighting them. | ||
| But they're actually just one colony over from other people that they came down with, who are the Romneys. | ||
| So, Mitt Romney's father was born in one of these colonies, colonial Dublin. | ||
| And then they, now this is the question. | ||
| Mitt Romney's father was born in Mexico? | ||
| Mitt Romney's father was born in a polygamous colony in northern Mexico, Chihuahua. | ||
| Jesus Christ. | ||
| Colonial Dublin. | ||
| And actually, he ran for president. | ||
| And they said, they brought up, The fact that he might have been an illegal immigrant and that he was born in a polygamous colony in Mexico. | ||
| His presidential candidacy didn't last long. | ||
| We say that in the piece. | ||
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| Actually, we say that out of all the Republican candidates, Mitt Romney had the staunchest stand against immigration and he sort of ignores his roots and he never talks about it. | ||
| And you say, well, I understand why. | ||
| It's completely logical because he wanted to veto the DREAM Act and he said publicly he vetoed the DREAM Act, although his father is the poster child for the DREAM Act. | ||
| But you say he would veto the DREAM Act because he wants to get away from these stories because the stories, when you dig into them, are fucking insane. | ||
| Of course he doesn't want to talk about it because polygamy battles with drug lords and, you know, complete kidnapping and insanity do not a good presidential candidate make. | ||
| How is this not mainstream? | ||
| How is this? | ||
| Is it going to come out during the presidential campaign? | ||
| Yeah, it's going to come out. | ||
| We have great footage. | ||
| Mitt Romney, is he the official nominee yet on the Republican side? | ||
| I mean, he obviously... | ||
| He will be, yeah. | ||
| He will be, but he's not official, right? | ||
| Yeah, but he will be. | ||
| But yeah, for sure it's going to come out. | ||
| I mean, the thing is, you know, it can't not come out. | ||
| People have written a little bit about it, not very much about it. | ||
| When you see a guy that's that flawed and has such an obvious story that's so beyond fucked, does it make you feel like this has all been set up? | ||
| Does it make you feel like they put him in there because they knew he couldn't win? | ||
| It doesn't make sense to me that that's the best that the Republicans can do. | ||
| I've met a lot of smart Republicans. | ||
| I've met a lot of bad motherfuckers who are just conservative and right-wing, and maybe they're a little too Bible-y. | ||
| But, you know, I've met some pretty strong-minded, very articulate Republicans. | ||
| How come they never get there? | ||
| How come we're dealing with these second-rate hacks, these guys who just fucking change their opinion when the wind blows? | ||
| How does a guy like that get to a position to be running for president? | ||
| Because that seems like that's a weak example of what a politician, a leader can be. | ||
| We've seen the JFKs. | ||
| We've seen the Bill Clinton's. | ||
| We've seen the people that have these strong voices. | ||
| When you have a guy who's the wishy-washy as Mitt Romney, who comes from a fucking religious cult that was in northern Mexico, I'm like, really? | ||
| That's the best you can do? | ||
| A multi-multi-millionaire whose father was from another country but is against immigration? | ||
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| I mean, look, the rumor is that they knew that the economy is going to keep going down and jobs aren't going to get better, etc., etc. | ||
| So they said, okay, we'll just put up an also-ran and then we'll get the next two terms after that because the economy is going to be shit anyway. | ||
| Put Jeb Bush on tap. | ||
| There you go. | ||
| For 2016. But I mean, Mitt Romney, it's funny because they want the anti-Obama. | ||
| So they just want to sort of... | ||
| They don't understand. | ||
| Obama's the first example I've ever seen in my life of it where it's pretty clear it doesn't matter anymore. | ||
| Whatever it takes to get into office is... | ||
| Once the politician gets there, that's all out the window. | ||
| All it is about there is keeping everything moving the exact same way it's moving right now. | ||
| Making sure these corporations make fucking billions of dollars. | ||
| Making sure that the rights of the civilians get shrunk more and more every day until it gets to this... | ||
| Global scenario that we have where the whole world is controlled by money, and money is the government. | ||
| And that seems to be where we're moving towards. | ||
| An actual real government, especially this idea of America, what it was supposed to be, you know, a government by the people. | ||
| We were going to set it up. | ||
| We were going to govern ourselves. | ||
| We were going to have a very strict set of laws and checks and balances in place to make sure this doesn't get out of hand and become what it used to be. | ||
| It doesn't work that way. | ||
| How do we fix this, Shane Smith? | ||
| How do we fix this? | ||
| You're the world traveler, man. | ||
| I think it's going to get worse because, actually, money does rule everything, and I think that it probably always has. | ||
| But, you know, if you look at communism, the synthesis of communism is that the market regulates itself, and you have a small thing for infrastructure. | ||
| Same thing. | ||
| With capitalism, David Ricardo and Adam Smith, you know, the free market sort of does need government. | ||
| And I believe that both were apologies for what was happening in the Industrial Revolution because everyone was looking around saying, this is fucked, you know, kids working in coal mines, all that shit. | ||
| But the reason why I say it's going to get worse, and I'm not actually an optimist, I'm not a doom and gloom guy, but is that money runs everything, but the problem is the money is running out, right? | ||
| So you have kids, you know, in Spain you have under 27 years old, 50% unemployment. | ||
| So you have all these young kids, and there's nothing scarier than a young kid with no future. | ||
| You've just taken away his future, you know, 17, 18, 19-year-old kid. | ||
| What the fuck does he have to lose? | ||
| And you've seen the riots in Athens. | ||
| You've seen the riots in London. | ||
| You've seen the riots in Paris. | ||
| You've seen the riots in, I mean, Tahrir Square. | ||
| You've seen it all over the world. | ||
| There's even riots in Montreal this year. | ||
| There you go. | ||
| And young people are getting more and more frustrated. | ||
| I should say protests in Montreal. | ||
| They didn't really riot. | ||
| And then the problem is that, you know... | ||
| Well, look, they have riots here now. | ||
| They have Occupy Wall Street here. | ||
| It's not going away. | ||
| It's just sort of getting more and more subversive and they're doing their own content networks and everything now. | ||
| But when you have... | ||
| Young kids rioting with nothing to lose. | ||
| Then you're going to look for radical economic solutions. | ||
| And radical economic solutions mean radical political parties. | ||
| Radical political parties hate each other. | ||
| And it's the same sort of scenario you have that started World War II. Incredible depression. | ||
| You know, somebody comes up with what seemingly is sort of fixing the depression. | ||
| Oh, we're all going to do that. | ||
| No, we're going to do the antithesis of that. | ||
| So you have communists versus fascists, etc., etc. | ||
| And both, you know, extreme sides of the spectrum. | ||
| And then they end up warring, you know, fighting. | ||
| And what's happening now is, you know, Europe is just fucked. | ||
| And it's going to get worse and worse and worse. | ||
| And there's going to be more and more radical politics, more and more kids in the streets. | ||
| And that's when I get worried and say, hold on a second, what are we going to do? | ||
| Wait until there's, you know, militias running down Berlin, Main Street, that's fighting other fucking police and whatever, Civil War, until we step in and say, hey, can we not fix this? | ||
| Because it's just getting fucking worse and worse and worse. | ||
| And sure, you see bad shit in Afghanistan, you see bad shit in South America. | ||
| We just saw it in Caracas, where it's insane, higher murder rate than America, you know, with 20 million people population, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. | ||
| But Europe is about to fucking explode. | ||
| It's about to explode. | ||
| This all has to do with the adoption of the euro? | ||
| Is that what fucked this whole situation up? | ||
| Because Europe is all connected. | ||
| All the countries are connected now. | ||
| I think we've been in a depression because what's the difference between a recession and a depression? | ||
| The depression goes on for a cyclical economic downturn. | ||
| It lasts a longer time than a recession. | ||
| Well, because of quantitative easing, all these things, economic things, we sort of kept it at bay. | ||
| But right now, Europe's already back in recession. | ||
| China's slowed down. | ||
| India's slowed down. | ||
| America's very shortly going to slow down behind them. | ||
| There's no way we can't. | ||
| And you go, okay, well, it's another five years. | ||
| So that means, okay, well, it started in 2008. It's going to be, you know... | ||
| Eight years, nine years before we get out of this. | ||
| So economically, we had all these things that we tried to fix and it didn't work. | ||
| So now there's just no money. | ||
| No money, no jobs in the system. | ||
| So young people are the ones who get forced out. | ||
| The problem is, is young people are the first ones who are going to get out and get a stick and start bashing shit up. | ||
| Because why wouldn't they? | ||
| Of course. | ||
| I've said that's the biggest problem with this country is that everybody wants to fix everything that's happening everywhere, but they don't want to fix what's going on in the impoverished areas of this country. | ||
| There was something that was released today that I read today, a study on a message It was on my message board, but I forget what the study was, but it said that 72% of black people in this country are born to single parents and raised by single parents. | ||
| That's fucked. | ||
| That's just fucked. | ||
| If we want to start fixing things, we've got to fix this country, too. | ||
| This country could fall apart just as easily. | ||
| When you look at... | ||
| Giant patches where kids are growing up without any hope. | ||
| And that's the most fucked thing when a child, like as you said, has no future. | ||
| They feel they have no future. | ||
| And they're angry. | ||
| They feel robbed. | ||
| You're saying, well, how does it feel to come back to New York from Afghanistan? | ||
| Well, it reminded me so much of 9-11, but it was like this stark thing. | ||
| Whereas what fucked me up more was when you're in... | ||
| Mexico, like five miles from the border, and shit is fucked up. | ||
| You were just saying some of the crazy shit you've seen. | ||
| Generally, it makes you feel better about your life. | ||
| You feel, oh, I'm happy. | ||
| I have all these health and things. | ||
| But I went to a church run outside of Juarez by a sort of born-again pastor who was an ex-junkie, and he takes in sort of the refuse of Juarez. | ||
| into this church and it's like a lot of you know people with severe psychological problems people with severe drug addictions and a lot of there was two feral children not children they were adults now but they had grown up feral like on the streets sort of thing one sort of barked like a dog and but you go and they live in these cells because some of them have to be locked in and Like, | ||
| there was, you know, people with open colostomy bags and stuff, with flies buzzing around their innards and stuff, and this thing, and you're walking around, and it was, like, just crazy, fucking, just degradation, like, feral people, you know, | ||
| and, and, and, Like a nightmare like it was crazy, you know, and and they they all he has the pastor gets them to paint and all their paintings are fucking insane like we're so heavy and depressing and a lot of them are missing limbs because of you know gangrene and and so when you come from shooting there and Then I was just in Vegas for the fights and you walk around and we went out like to you know nightclub after the fights and it's just Chanel and Louis Vuitton and this and that and like everybody and You know, | ||
| on the stores, on the way to the nightclub, and then everyone dressed up, and you're like... | ||
| As human beings, we just want to forget. | ||
| You know, we just want entertainment, TV, more entertainment, just spectacular shit, just fucking lots of stuff, because it's... | ||
| We like to bury our heads in the sand, because that's just right here. | ||
| Like, that shit is happening just fucking... | ||
| You don't have to go to Afghanistan. | ||
| It's five miles from our border. | ||
| And so... | ||
| You know, that's what you think when you come back from places like that. | ||
| And by the way, all the guns, when we were there, it's the largest haul of ammunition. | ||
| It was over 250,000 rounds of ammunition, 7.60 ammunition. | ||
| And it was coming from America. | ||
| And I was like, oh, that's, you know, strange. | ||
| They're like, no, all the guns are coming from America. | ||
| All the guns, all the ammunition coming from America, all the drugs comes up from here, and all the money comes from America. | ||
| Well, what was that one crazy DEA idea? | ||
| They were going to sell guns. | ||
| Fast and the Furious. | ||
| Yeah, they sold guns. | ||
| With markers. | ||
| Yeah, so that they could find out who was using the guns, and those guns were directly used to kill agents. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, they figured that was a scam. | ||
| It was a scam. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And that they just pretended that it was a mission. | ||
| I mean, just the fact that they could ever justify selling fucking guns. | ||
| Lots of guns. | ||
| To Mexican drug dealers. | ||
| They had the... | ||
| How could they possibly think that that would... | ||
| They had a killer caught with the CIA, the old director of the CIA's ceremonial pistol. | ||
| Whoa. | ||
| Like, you know, it has, like, director of the CIA on it. | ||
| Holy shit. | ||
| Holy shit. | ||
| Just the fact that they could say that that was an operation, and they could say, oh, this is what we're going to do. | ||
| The way we're going to track the network, we have to actually sell them real guns. | ||
| Yeah, the Mexicans laugh at it. | ||
| It's hilarious. | ||
| They're like, this is what the Americans are doing, just giving free guns to the narcos? | ||
| In order to find out what rapists are like, I'm going to have to go get my duck sucked a lot. | ||
| I'm going to really have to find out what it's like to rape people. | ||
| So I'm going to have to do some raping. | ||
| What? | ||
| The fuck? | ||
| How is no one getting... | ||
| Why is no one going to jail for that? | ||
| Well, I mean, God knows. | ||
| The majority of the police down in Mexico are corrupt, so every time the Americans try to do something with them, it just gets, you know. | ||
| Well, how's no one in the American DEA going to jail for that? | ||
| I don't know, man. | ||
| That just seems like the most ridiculous idea of all time. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The worst guy I've ever heard about is a guy named Al Rikin. | ||
| And he's a narco that was fighting one of the Mormon colonies. | ||
| But he's famous for, you know, he's obviously the drug dealers. | ||
| And so he went into a drug rehab center. | ||
| Or he didn't, but he had his people. | ||
| Massacre them all, 18 different people in a drug rehab center, just for being in a drug rehab center. | ||
| This is a very bad guy. | ||
| And he kidnapped and killed some of the Mormon, the LeBaron family. | ||
| But he is famous for getting caught on the other side of the border, on the American side of the border, with a Mexican military convoy filled with something like 15 tons of pot. | ||
| And they had a firefight with the American Border Patrol, and then they came back into Mexico, and they knew who it was. | ||
| They knew he had had a firefight, but he went back to where he lives, which is eight miles down the road from the Mormons, and the Mexican government didn't do anything. | ||
| Whoa. | ||
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| Fuck. | ||
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Yeah, El Riquin. | |
| What a ballsy move. | ||
| You want a water or something, man? | ||
| Yeah, maybe. | ||
| Reach it. | ||
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There you go. | |
| If you need more, there's a fridge right behind you. | ||
| I'll grab you one. | ||
| Or get some cigarettes. | ||
| Does that help? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Maybe. | ||
| What a ballsy move. | ||
| That guy gets in a fucking armored car boy with weed and drives to America. | ||
| And has a firefight with him. | ||
| Holy shit. | ||
| How are these Mormons getting around in Mexico? | ||
| Do they all take convoys now? | ||
| Are they heavily armed and shit? | ||
| They're heavily armed, yeah. | ||
| So do they drive around with tanks? | ||
| What do they do? | ||
| Because I know a lot of the drug cartels, they have tanks now. | ||
| They have trucks with guns and stuff. | ||
| So the Mormons drive around like they're in war. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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| What a nutty thing it must be for them, huh? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Living in Mexico. | ||
| They are at war. | ||
| And they can't get out of there. | ||
| Are they trying to plan to get out of there? | ||
| They can get out of there. | ||
| A lot of them have American passports. | ||
| But they don't want to do it. | ||
| It's not like hanging with Mexicans. | ||
| These are like big, super tall cowboy hat wearing sort of Texas dudes. | ||
| But they're in Mexico. | ||
| They're in Mexico, yeah. | ||
| And they're going to war with these drug cartels. | ||
| I would think that if you're ever in a place where you're at war with drug cartels, it's time to get the fuck out of Dodge. | ||
| Yeah, we asked them that. | ||
| What'd they say? | ||
| Well, this is my country. | ||
| This is my home. | ||
| It's hard to leave your home. | ||
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Wow. | |
| Fuck that it is. | ||
| That's some silly nonsense to me. | ||
| You know, I think people have to get over that idea. | ||
| You should live anywhere. | ||
| Get your loved ones together and move where it's safe. | ||
| Get the fuck out of here. | ||
| If you have money, if you have enough to do it. | ||
| I can understand if you have to fight for your property, but that's a lost cause, that place. | ||
| Yeah, but they don't leave. | ||
| I mean, I had the same answer when I was in South Africa and we were shooting and there's a lot of violence in South Africa. | ||
| And I kept saying to people, why don't you leave? | ||
| This is our home. | ||
| Those people are idiots. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| That's so ridiculous. | ||
| If you know there's a better spot on earth where this kind of shit doesn't happen, you can live your life in peace. | ||
| Home invasions and assassinations and institutionalized rapes and all these things are just part of the daily equation, then fuck it. | ||
| I'm not doing that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, I agree. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The fuck, man. | ||
| How do we get the rest of the world anywhere near where we are here right now? | ||
| Is that possible? | ||
| Can the human condition evolve so much? | ||
| That we could get everybody on a higher level all across the world? | ||
| Or is this just a part of the program? | ||
| The spectrum always goes from the worst case scenario to the best case scenario, and every shade in between. | ||
| Is that just how things keep moving? | ||
| Is that just the conflict, the yin and yang? | ||
| Is that the pull and push of life? | ||
| That's the best question I've heard in a long time, but I think it's unanswerable. | ||
| If anybody would have seen the spectrum as broad as humanly possible, I would think it would be you. | ||
| I mean, the thing is, you see some things that are great, like we did a story on these scientists who are developing machines that can sort of harvest the atmosphere, | ||
| so they can take out carbon and all the harmful things in the atmosphere and then sort of reduce it to CO2, which you can make You can actually activate algae for biofuel, or you can combine them with other elements and lots of solar to make hydrogen cells. | ||
| And it might sound like we're clinging at straws here, but when you start to think, wow, if we have unlimited solar power and you have unlimited carbon, A, it stops warming, but B, you can make hydrogen cells or biofuels. | ||
| And then you say, wow, that would be interesting because you could actually put hydrogen cells into every new car. | ||
| So every new car had to have that, so that's a whole new industry that we would run because of the patents. | ||
| The only effluent that comes out of hydrogen cells is pure HO2, which we're running out of water. | ||
| So you say, hey, it could build a new economy, build this new world. | ||
| And so when you start talking to the scientists, who are really smart guys, and realizing, well, you can sort of regulate the amount of harmful toxins in the atmosphere, There is sanity. | ||
| You know, there are people coming up with ideas. | ||
| This could start a whole new economy, you know, sort of set us out on this, you know, great right track. | ||
| And you're like, wow, and you feel really good. | ||
| And maybe we are going to be smart. | ||
| Maybe we are going to put these machines to next every factory. | ||
| Maybe we are going to do this great stuff. | ||
| And then the problem is you go to Africa or Southeast Asia and, you know, we did a story on, you know, a lot of people are going, Europeans and Americans are going to Thailand, you know, to get medical vacations, they call them. | ||
| So you go there and you get a facelift and two weeks on vacation on Boracay or whatever. | ||
| And so, you know, you can get transplants, you can get this, you can get that. | ||
| So more and more people are going for medical procedures. | ||
| So it started a war between the ambulance gangs to take bodies, you know, because let's say you hurt yourself. | ||
| Well, more often than not, you're not going to arrive there. | ||
| Alive because they want to harvest your pieces. | ||
| So Bangkok body snatchers. | ||
| There's like street gangs that fight each other over the sort of dead and dying. | ||
| So say if someone falls and breaks their leg, they're not going to take you to the hospital. | ||
| They're going to take your organs. | ||
| Well, if you're injured, they're going to make sure that you don't arrive alive. | ||
| And then they harvest your organs. | ||
| So they kill you? | ||
| Yes, they let you die. | ||
| They let you die. | ||
| They don't kill you. | ||
| They let it slowly take place. | ||
| They don't give you medical attention. | ||
| We never saw anybody sort of overtly being killed. | ||
| We've heard about it, but... | ||
| You don't want to say it? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, they don't seem like they're ethical. | ||
| So I wouldn't imagine that would be outside their own possibility. | ||
| But I understand exactly where you're going with that. | ||
| So on one side, you have this sort of hope. | ||
| You know what? | ||
| We're going to get our shit together. | ||
| We're going to have new fucking energy systems that aren't going to... | ||
| Armed crazy people and all this stuff. | ||
| And then you go see that and you're like, wait a minute. | ||
| We're parasites. | ||
| We're bad, bad people. | ||
| Yeah, I did this thing before my Showtime special in 2005 where I talked about human beings being a really complicated form of bacteria. | ||
| I've had this idea a few times while tripping inside tanks and even on planes. | ||
| I've had this feeling like... | ||
| If you looked at the Earth as a life force and you looked at human beings, you would say, well, that's a growth. | ||
| You would say, look, it's everywhere. | ||
| It sucks all the fish out of the ocean. | ||
| It throws waste in there and kills all the rest of the life. | ||
| It fucks everything it touches. | ||
| Everywhere it lives, there's brown smoke. | ||
| You burn down giant chunks of it, it grows right back and even gets bigger. | ||
| It's like, this is some crazy growth. | ||
| I'm like, if you didn't understand... | ||
| If you were so alien that human beings weren't identifiable as an individual... | ||
| You would look at them as a giant, huge swarm of life on top of this other life. | ||
| You wouldn't see individual people. | ||
| You would see it just like mold. | ||
| And I said that maybe we're here to eat the sandwich. | ||
| Maybe we are like mold on a sandwich. | ||
| Maybe we're just a really super complicated... | ||
| That's why at the pinnacle of technology, the best we have to do is the shit that fucks things up the most. | ||
| Like nuclear power, nuclear waste, you know, and all sorts of other crazy experiments that are probably going on right now that we're not even aware of. | ||
| Anti-matter type shit. | ||
| They're working on antimatter weapons in Area 51. What does that mean? | ||
| I don't even know. | ||
| I don't even know, but it can't be good. | ||
| It's like, what, nuclear power doesn't kill everybody quick enough, you fuckhead? | ||
| You need to develop something that kills everyone instantaneously? | ||
| We have enough bombs to blow up the whole world, like how many times over? | ||
| And they're like, yeah, but it doesn't do it quite as good as I think can be done. | ||
| So they continue to make nuttier and nuttier weapons. | ||
| Did you see that jet drone they've developed that goes something like 18 times faster than the speed of sound? | ||
| Some insane amount. | ||
| Just to get over there and fuck things up as quick as possible. | ||
| We don't need any better weapons. | ||
| We have weapons that we don't even have the first clue about now. | ||
| Well, it's whatever. | ||
| But our nature as animals, as intelligent animals, is to keep trying to make things better. | ||
| It's like if we stopped right now with cell phones and said, we good? | ||
| We good with this? | ||
| We can talk? | ||
| We can text? | ||
| This is good enough, right? | ||
| Can we just stop right there? | ||
| No one would take that. | ||
| People would go crazy. | ||
| Four years from now, they'd be fucking so mad at their iPhone. | ||
| This fucking clunky old hunk of shit. | ||
| Like, why can't they have something better than this now? | ||
| People would be angry. | ||
| We have a deep desire for technological innovation. | ||
| At the end of that is destruction. | ||
| At the very peak of technology, the best we're capable of is blowing shit up. | ||
| It makes you wonder if that's really what we're here for. | ||
| It makes you wonder if we are not some weird technological caterpillar that's becoming a butterfly. | ||
| And all of our desires and ego and the need to get pussy and drive a fast car. | ||
| All that shit really is just pushing the society. | ||
| And the society is pushing technology. | ||
| And technology, one day someone's going to press a fucking button and the whole thing... | ||
| See, now I'm not going to be so smiley anymore. | ||
| Maybe that's the way it's supposed to be, though. | ||
| Well, my theory is that that's how the universe gets born and dies with us. | ||
| And that the Bang Bang is really just a bunch of scientists with autism on anti-anxiety medication, and they make a Big Bang machine. | ||
| And one of them presses it, and the whole universe starts all over again. | ||
| And it starts again with planets forming and then life forms and then dinosaurs. | ||
| Dinosaurs get hit by an asteroid. | ||
| Billions of years go by, the whole deal, and then one guy presses a button on a big bang machine he makes. | ||
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| And it starts all over again. | ||
| Why not? | ||
| If it's possible for the universe to be the universe, that's possible too. | ||
| It's possible that it's just a bunch of scientists with autism and every 14 billion years they blow the whole fucking thing sky high and it starts from scratch. | ||
| Well, definitely we're going to have to eat, drink, and be merry then because we're all going to... | ||
| That's what I'm talking about. | ||
| What do you think when you talk to these people that are like, I mean, for you, you are a realist. | ||
| You're a dude who's seen the dark parts of the world. | ||
| When you talk to people and they, you know, they start hitting you with some fucking power of positive thinking type shit and hit you with The Secret or Eckhart Tolle and, you know, like, do you want to, like, when that whole The Secret thing was going on, do you want to say, listen, your fucking environment is real, okay? | ||
| You don't create it with your mind. | ||
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| It's real. | ||
| There really are parts of the world that suck, and positive thinking is not going to get you out of Mogadishu, right? | ||
| Well, we are in Pasadena. | ||
| I mean, like, you know... | ||
| Positive thinking got you here. | ||
| Yeah, there you go. | ||
| You know, New York tends to be a bit more cynical, and L.A. tends to be a bit more... | ||
| It's the weather. | ||
| ...positive thinking. | ||
| Weather and pretty girls. | ||
| That's what it does it. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| For real. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And space. | ||
| Space, the fact that you don't get rained on hardly ever, and it's never cold. | ||
| That's huge. | ||
| That East Coast winter thing, that's bullshit. | ||
| That's retarded. | ||
| Everybody gets angry. | ||
| Yeah, your face hurts. | ||
| That shit's no good. | ||
| You get stuck on the highway. | ||
| You ever get stuck on the highway? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The whole fucking highway shutdown, black ice, that's always fun. | ||
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Black. | |
| That shit doesn't happen here. | ||
| It doesn't happen here at all. | ||
| So people are more relaxed. | ||
| It really is that. | ||
| Plus, the people that landed on the East Coast were all animals who were so fucking fed up with Europe that they got on boats. | ||
| They got on boats, and they went across an ocean before there was TV, okay? | ||
| And they decided to move to this new country that they didn't probably even have good pictures of. | ||
| You know, someone just told them there's a land of plenty, and they decided to get in a boat and give it a shot. | ||
| Those people are psycho! | ||
| I mean, those are some really adventuresome fucking people. | ||
| Well, those were the first ones. | ||
| Those were all adventuresome. | ||
| But the ones who said, okay, you're going to go out that way. | ||
| We don't know how far it is, and we don't really know if you're going to get there. | ||
| And by the way, there's all kinds of tribes that are going to try to scalp you and rape your daughters and all this shit. | ||
| As you go through there. | ||
| And there's mountains that are probably impassable. | ||
| And you're going to have to eat your kids. | ||
| Just go. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Go west. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And it was, when we say frontier, it was like the frontier. | ||
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| It was, we don't know what's next. | ||
| We don't know what's beyond there. | ||
| And so for those people to say, I'm going to leave, I'm like a... | ||
| I'm an Irish fucking potato picker and I lived in New York for three years and that was no good. | ||
| So I'm going to go out and I'm just going to go out into fucking absolute wilderness where everybody hates me and the animals want to eat me and I'm just going to keep going until I hit the other ocean. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| And it's amazing how quick it happened. | ||
| It was just like, bing! | ||
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Whoosh! | |
| Within a couple hundred years, a giant fucking swarm of millions of people had completely populated this one continent that, before that, you know, the last time people came across here was the Ice Age. | ||
| There wasn't really a lot of human beings living here. | ||
| What most people don't know is that North America, just a little over 10,000 years ago, half of it was covered by a mile of ice. | ||
| I mean, wrap your head around a mile of fucking ice above your head, and that covered half this country. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| This country, we don't understand the history of humanity in the world. | ||
| We have a very patchy sort of knowledge of everything past the Ice Age. | ||
| About people 10,000 plus years ago, it's a lot of There's some bullshit. | ||
| There's a lot of bullshitting because there's a lot of information they're not willing to look at. | ||
| Some new stuff's come along. | ||
| New construction that they found like in Turkey. | ||
| This Gobekli Tepli that's at least 14,000 years old. | ||
| Massive, excellently cut stone columns. | ||
| Civilization. | ||
| Clear civilization. | ||
| Back in a time where they're attributing that area only as hunter-gatherers. | ||
| There is no civilization. | ||
| There's no cities. | ||
| Where's the fucking city, man? | ||
| You gotta explain this. | ||
| Not only that, it has drawings or statues that are carved into it, like these 3D images of animals that don't even exist in that area, that part of the world. | ||
| So it's real possible that shit like the ice being over half of this country, that that's moved around for... | ||
| Tens of thousands of years and there's probably been these pretty kind of nifty sophisticated civilizations but maybe they get to a point not even as far as we've gotten right now but maybe get to some previous point and just implode like those crazy assholes in Pakistan or implode like Nazi Germany or implode like a million different examples from Genghis Khan to To the Catholic Church. | ||
| Look at all the crazy shit that's gone on in this country. | ||
| 100%. | ||
| Yeah, it easily could be like that always. | ||
| And that we've gotten to these really amazing Atlantean-type civilizations and just fucking chaos. | ||
| Boom! | ||
| Somebody comes in strapped up with dynamite. | ||
| Who the fuck knows? | ||
| And just... | ||
| Ace is the whole thing. | ||
| There's one part of the world, somewhere in the Middle East, I forget where it is, where they found glass in the desert. | ||
| They found this area in a satellite image. | ||
| God, I wish I had more information about this from the tip of my tongue. | ||
| But it was either some sort of an asteroid impact. | ||
| Or, like hundreds of thousands of years ago, somebody had a fucking gigantic explosion there. | ||
| Like, if it was some sort of civilization and they flattened that motherfucker out. | ||
| That's not outside the realm of possibility. | ||
| That someone figured out something. | ||
| Some sort of massive way to fuck things up. | ||
| We're the only ones that have ever figured that out throughout history. | ||
| It's very possible that somebody else might have tumbled. | ||
| We might have done this whole dance to the top a couple of times before tumbling. | ||
| This is just the highest we've ever gotten and kept it together. | ||
| We're very good at destroying shit, that's for sure. | ||
| I've got this guy coming on June 7th, for those of you who have been asking me about this, John Anthony West. | ||
| And he's this Egyptologist who is famous for his work in uncovering the fact that there's not just one Egyptian civilization that they're dealing with. | ||
| You're dealing with older and older civilizations that go back to 30-plus thousand years. | ||
| There's actual hieroglyphs. | ||
| Egyptian civilization goes back that far. | ||
| Like they even named the pharaohs. | ||
| But for some reason, modern day Egyptologists have looked at all this stuff and said, oh, that's a myth. | ||
| Like everything was real up until about 5,000 years ago and all the rest of that stuff, they just made that shit up. | ||
| Because it doesn't coincide with our own ideas of how long civilization has been around for. | ||
| You know, it just seems to me that when you look at how sophisticated we are today and how close we are to fucking it up and how badly it is fucking up and all the places in the world that you described, it seems like the odds that we haven't done this already, like, it just seems really small. | ||
| And I think we've got a lot of amnesia when it comes to the past of humans. | ||
| And I think you also have to factor in physical things that we can't control, like the earth, volcanoes, earthquakes, asteroidal impacts, shit like that. | ||
| You know, when I'm driving here today, I was driving on the 118, and it's beautiful. | ||
| You're going through the hills, the mountains, and I'm looking up and I'm just saying, it is amazing that we are basically, the whole world is a convertible. | ||
| There's no top. | ||
| And we're just sort of accepted that. | ||
| We're just head to the universe. | ||
| Just nothing but space and fucking giant rocks can fall from the sky and crush your country. | ||
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And we've just sort of completely forgotten about that. | |
| I mean, there's impact holes that you can visit. | ||
| I mean, if you look at the general life of the universe, you know, the universe being billions of years old, right? | ||
| Now look at all the holes on Earth. | ||
| And then you just think, how long have we been around? | ||
| 4.6 billion years. | ||
| How many holes are there? | ||
| This is going to happen again, you motherfucker. | ||
| We're forgetting that this shit happens. | ||
| There's hundreds of thousands of them. | ||
| They're as big as states, and they're flying through the air. | ||
| And they're going to land. | ||
| And they're going to fuck up everything. | ||
| You're really depressing me. | ||
| No, it's not bad, man. | ||
| I think if we're going to go, that's a fucking amazing way to go. | ||
| That's going to be quick. | ||
| It's going to be quick, and it's going to be crazy, and you don't have to worry about anybody suffering. | ||
| It's like, we're not afraid to sleep, but everybody's afraid to die, and both of them are inevitable. | ||
| It's going to happen. | ||
| You're going to die. | ||
| It's not like we're going to live forever if the asteroid doesn't come. | ||
| We're going to die, for sure. | ||
| That might be a crazy way to do it. | ||
| I'm not saying it's good, but... | ||
| It might not be bad. | ||
| It might be the way it has to happen for the next ultra-intelligent thing to come along that wouldn't have existed before the dinosaurs, wouldn't have existed before us. | ||
| I'd rather go out by an asteroid than a series of dirty bombs by some sort of cult or religious terrorism. | ||
| Did you see the latest footage from Syria, all the murdered children? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| What the fuck is going on over there? | ||
| Well, it's the same thing that happened in Libya. | ||
| It's the same thing that might happen in Egypt. | ||
| When people fight, what you said about Vietnam, don't they remember Vietnam? | ||
| When you go to these places and you see what injuries look like, which are colostomy bags and legs that are gone and arms that are gone, you say, well, why would you ever do this again? | ||
| And then a generation forgets and then they go do something else. | ||
| They just go do it again. | ||
| How do we stop the cycle? | ||
| Is it possible without mushrooms? | ||
| I don't think so. | ||
| Are mushrooms the only way? | ||
| That's what I'm thinking. | ||
| I think the asteroids have to do it. | ||
| Asteroids? | ||
| I'd rather have the asteroids do it. | ||
| You know the concept of asteroids coming from mushrooms? | ||
| No. | ||
| Excuse me, mushrooms coming from asteroids? | ||
| Asteroids coming from mushrooms. | ||
| Maybe the world comes from mushrooms. | ||
| This is getting to be really trippy. | ||
| Well, this is from McKenna. | ||
| McKenna's theory, well, panspermia is a real theory of life. | ||
| You know, the theory that amino acids and certain nutrients and things, and water, in fact, comes from comets and asteroids. | ||
| And that life is transferred from planet to planet by astroidal impact. | ||
| This is a legit scientific theory. | ||
| Well, McKenna's theory about psilocybin was that psilocybin is completely alien to any other form of life that we have here on Earth. | ||
| There's nothing like it biologically or biochemically. | ||
| I think it's... | ||
| I'm not saying exactly right, but I believe it's like 4-Fox-4-Loloxy-NN-dimethyltryptamine. | ||
| It mimics the human neurotransmitter, dimethyltryptamine, which is a potent psychedelic drug. | ||
| It mimics that, but it also has like the phosphorus in the four position, which apparently no other compound on Earth does. | ||
| And the idea is that spores can exist in a vacuum and that spores could easily have traveled through the vacuum and the radiation of space. | ||
| And landed from another planet here. | ||
| Created this life form that wants you to eat it. | ||
| So it pops up and looks like a dinner plate. | ||
| And it pops up all over the place. | ||
| Everywhere you go. | ||
| It's not hiding at all. | ||
| And karmically, it's literally at the bottom of the food chain. | ||
| It lives on shit. | ||
| It's just a humble little thing that wants you to come along and eat it. | ||
| And when you eat it, you're granted spectacular visions. | ||
| Spectacular visions and feelings of love and God and unity and the thoughts of the universe being Entirely connected in one big mathematical equation computations and cells and organisms and fucking all the way down to atoms and subatomic particles and then branching out again and all this shit comes from something that grows out of shit. | ||
| All this shit comes from something that comes from space and the idea is that our Our concept of life and our concept of intelligence is very narrow and we egocentrically have assumed that all intelligence must be contained inside a brain. | ||
| Some sort of an intelligent, upright body that we can respect that's gonna come here from another planet and show us how to use a laser gun. | ||
| You know, but in fact, intelligence can exist in plant form, and that intelligence in spectacular visions and knowledge all comes out of a dimension that you cannot access without these molecules that exist in these plants. | ||
| And it opens literally chemical doorways in the mind. | ||
| It's a pretty fascinating idea, the fact that, you know, that is alien invasion, that mushrooms are an alien invasion. | ||
| I got to read this. | ||
| Who's McKenna? | ||
| Terence McKenna? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He's a crazy psychedelic chemist slash botanist slash I think his degrees were all in ethnobotany. | ||
| And I think his main study of work was the concept of the stoned ape theory. | ||
| That and his idea of time wave zero, which the idea was that time was like a mathematical progression of waves, and that novelty and terrible times would almost be predictable. | ||
| It was some sort of a mathematical equation of getting to infinite novelty, which was like in this year, supposedly. | ||
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| Which is probably horseshit. | ||
| But his other fascinating theory was the mushroom theory, the stoned ape theory, and that was the theory that that's how human beings actually evolved from lower primates, was the consumption of psychedelic mushrooms. | ||
| And his theory, actually, I don't know if it's been supported by a lot of different scientists. | ||
| I know there's some debate on whether or not his timelines are right, but it's based on the idea that a bunch of monkeys ate some mushrooms and then helped them evolve. | ||
| It's interesting how many theories there are about how we got from sort of that to this. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, it's crazy. | ||
| We go to visit them in the zoo. | ||
| I took my kids to the zoo the other day, and I'm staring at my cousins in a cage. | ||
| Well, here in the home of Scientology, you know, they believe that the aliens came and the Phaetans went into the monkeys and that's what we are. | ||
| We're just vessels for alien souls. | ||
| Well, that's the sexiest idea. | ||
| The sexiest idea is the Anunnaki stuff, you know, the stuff that we were created by aliens and we're a genetic engineering program. | ||
| You know, you look at stuff from the Sumerian text from 6,000 years ago that depicts the Anunnaki coming here. | ||
| How do you not know that that's not science fiction? | ||
| Maybe that's their version of outer space or the outer limits or something like that. | ||
| It's insane how many people are like, this was how it happened. | ||
| It's aliens, it's mushrooms, it's this, it's that. | ||
| Well, the weird thing is the doubling of the human brain size. | ||
| I don't know what the fuck happened, man. | ||
| But I think it's probably a lack of information more than it is. | ||
| I think it can't just be mushrooms that we did. | ||
| If we did, that would be amazing. | ||
| If it was like, all you have to do is just regularly eat mushrooms, your brain would just grow. | ||
| If we just got on mushrooms, within 100 years, we'd look like those gray aliens, just giant heads. | ||
| We wouldn't need any muscles because we would use our minds to control matter. | ||
| We'd just be moving shit around constantly with our minds. | ||
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I feel a mushroom chirp coming on today, I think. | |
| You think so? | ||
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I think I'm ready to do it today. | |
| Well, you got one over here, man. | ||
| You want a cigarette? | ||
| That's going to fix me. | ||
| Yeah, today I was thinking about you. | ||
| I hate cigarettes and I'm handing them to you. | ||
| I'm like, I just want you to like me. | ||
| I just want you to be happy, Shane. | ||
| I love you too. | ||
| You're blowing my mind today. | ||
| You're blowing my mind always. | ||
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A lot of people have been passing around this speech that you gave. | |
| I forget, it was some conference lately where you were talking about the future of television. | ||
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Can you explain it? | |
| Because I haven't actually watched it yet, but I'm interested in what you have. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It was a speech for Internet Week about, you know, everyone's online versus cable. | ||
| And, you know, what I was saying was, so I didn't know what to do. | ||
| I didn't have anything planned that was very smart. | ||
| I was flying back actually from Afghanistan. | ||
| No, I was flying back from Afghanistan and I ducked into Pakistan to see the Karachi shoots. | ||
| I was flying back from Pakistan. | ||
| And I was thinking about all the kids that I had seen who were going insane and the guys who would kill for 10 bucks. | ||
| This is just crazy fucking dudes. | ||
| And I was like, look, the youth everywhere in Asia and Africa and Europe here, everyone's fucking revolting. | ||
| But what are we making? | ||
| I went to do the Upfronts, which is where all the TV shows get sold and online shows get sold. | ||
| And you have The Voice, which is the biggest show, which is just American Idol. | ||
| TV is derivative of TV. TV is just making shittier and shittier shows based on itself. | ||
| And then on the internet, which could be this, it could be revolutionary, because it's better. | ||
| Because you could be watching something, then text somebody, then get information, then Google this, and fucking what's going on here and here. | ||
| And instead of trying to be and say what the fuck is going on, and by the way, young people are revolting all around the world, and this is how they get their news now. | ||
| They get it through blogs and online shit here and there. | ||
| They don't even watch TV anymore. | ||
| But instead of doing something innovative and challenging and revolutionary, we just do shittier versions of TV shows with half the budget. | ||
| And so it's these shitty sort of Google shows. | ||
| You know what really pisses me off? | ||
| It's like America's Funniest Home Videos with a sort of annoying host. | ||
| And you're like, why don't we use the internet? | ||
| Why don't we use the social networks and video and all the stuff we can do now to actually do something that's good and revolutionary and start changing shit? | ||
| Because when he asks and says, well, how do we fucking stop all this shit? | ||
| Well, the first way to stop it is to find out about it. | ||
| So we have to know about it, and then we know about it, and then we can do shit. | ||
| Like we can not buy certain things, you know, dollar advocacy, you know, consumer advocacy is the most powerful, you know, tools we have, et cetera, et cetera. | ||
| But first of all is knowing about it, and so I just sort of got really pissed off that the internet has become so derivative and so shitty and just trying to mimic TV and TV as shit. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| So let's try to fucking make something that actually people understand whether people like Whether it helps people or they understand of shit. | ||
| Like, for example, like Kony 2012, you're like, well, it shows that it's viral. | ||
| It shows that people actually want to know this shit. | ||
| But, like, it was okay. | ||
| It was just sort of half-assed. | ||
| What did you think about that whole situation? | ||
| I mean, that is another example of one of the reasons why I believe that life is a work of fiction. | ||
| A fucking guy decides that he's gonna make this viral video against James Coney. | ||
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Whacking it, whacking it, whacking it, oh. | |
| Is that his name? | ||
| Charles Coney? | ||
| James Coney. | ||
| James Coney. | ||
| He's gonna make this viral video, expose the world to this horrible person, but they're getting a disproportionate amount of the money goes to them, and then they get accused of being... | ||
| Unscrupulous, whatever the words you would use. | ||
| They didn't do anything illegal. | ||
| They were a little funky with the money. | ||
| Then the guy shows up naked in the streets, beating off, acting gay. | ||
| Did you see the video? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's like craziness. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, you know, they didn't, I'm sure they didn't think, you know, they went, there's these, you know, kids that go over and they shot it in Fairfax to them. | ||
| You know, I've been there. | ||
| It's a bad part of the world. | ||
| And, you know, it's interesting on a few points. | ||
| One, because it shows that the fucking, like, everyone says kids don't care, people don't care about anything outside of America. | ||
| Like, it's a big, in media, they always say don't do anything, you know, outside of America. | ||
| People just don't give a shit about it. | ||
| Well, I think it shows that people do give a shit about it. | ||
| And these guys weren't expecting it to become a huge thing. | ||
| And, you know, so obviously when weird shit happens to you, you have different ways of coping. | ||
| This guy coped by going fucking... | ||
| Completely ameshit. | ||
| Ameshit crazy. | ||
| Which actually seems appealing sometimes. | ||
| Like when life's really hard, you're just like, I'm going to take off my fucking clothes and pop off again. | ||
| Oh, there's fucking serial killers and assassins everywhere? | ||
| I'm gonna get your fleshlight. | ||
| That guy was on the street in his underwear. | ||
| He got naked. | ||
| He was flailing his arms around and acting like super gay. | ||
| I wonder what he was on. | ||
| What makes you act gay? | ||
| Besides being gay. | ||
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Mostly cocks, balls. | |
| Booty holes. | ||
| Red band fleshlights. | ||
| What is... | ||
| Yeah, Cody, I mean, the thing is it became huge and I think it shows that there's a massive audience. | ||
| That it's possible. | ||
| Yeah, and the whole thing is... | ||
| Let's make shit that actually isn't shit. | ||
| Let's make stuff that, you know, is telling the stories. | ||
| And that's what we're doing. | ||
| And I said, you know, look, if it's Vice who's doing it, then we're really in fucking trouble. | ||
| Because I didn't come up, you know, with any sort of Save the World complex. | ||
| Yeah, but you're not compromised yet. | ||
| And as a human being, when you've gotten to the point where you see this information, you're not compromised. | ||
| So you're releasing it, and you're focusing on it. | ||
| And you have an honest eye for what... | ||
| Well, it's also when we went around the world and expanded the company, you just see all this shit happening, and you're like, what the fuck? | ||
| Why isn't anybody fucking saying this shit? | ||
| And then, but I always say that, look, if we're a news source, then the world's in trouble because we were a style mag. | ||
| You know, all we gave a shit about was fucking, you know, famously say, you know, cocaine supermodels, rare denim and sneakers. | ||
| And then when you go around the rest of the world, you're like, holy fucking shit. | ||
| And you sort of, you know, come out of the pond and go, okay, well, we got to do something about this. | ||
| Well, I think they're here to get you. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They've had enough. | ||
| I think it's probably the only way journalists ever become journalists in the first place. | ||
| They have something that they feel needs to be said, right? | ||
| They have this desire to send a message, and that comes from seeing things that are wrong. | ||
| I mean, if you had someone overseeing you, someone from NBC or CBS, do you think you could have gotten any of this stuff done? | ||
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| If you said to them, hey, I'm going to go to Pakistan and I'm going to meet with the Taliban... | ||
| I don't think... | ||
| Yeah, we wouldn't be allowed to do a lot of the stuff that we do because we just go and, you know... | ||
| You don't get permits. | ||
| You guys just go. | ||
| Don't... | ||
| Generally don't get permits. | ||
| Do you ask the people if you could put them in a movie or on television or on the internet? | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| The people themselves. | ||
| Do they sign anything? | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| They sign things? | ||
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Yeah, yeah. | |
| But people generally want to tell their stories, but I mean ask government permission or police permission or all the things you're supposed to... | ||
| Or also, you're generally supposed to go with security teams. | ||
| And we're like, well, I did a security team once because we were doing a show with MTV and they made us get one in Beirut. | ||
| And I've been to Beirut like 20 times. | ||
| Beirut's not that bad. | ||
| There's sometimes parts of it that are bad, but... | ||
| And we were walking target because you just have all these dudes talking. | ||
| And so I said, I'm never going to have security ever again because that's the sure way that you're not going to get a story or the real people aren't going to talk to you or everyone's going to think, who are the fuck these guys? | ||
| So we go and we call it immersionism. | ||
| You just go immerse yourself. | ||
| You know, in the place and then just, you know, press record. | ||
| Don't go in with any sort of preconceived ideas or notions or political paradigms or I'm going to prove this because generally you're not going to prove that. | ||
| Like, for example, if you went to Somalia and said, I'm going to prove that these guys are barbarian pirates and, you know, then you're going to shut yourself off to exactly what you said, which is, well, actually, we illegally irradiated their whole coast and illegally overfished it so that they're starving and they're like, well, we're going to tax the The people who did this to us. | ||
| Yeah, they're called the People's Coast Guard. | ||
| The Voluntary Coast Guard of Somalia? | ||
| That's what they call themselves. | ||
| What the fuck, man? | ||
| Dude, if anybody knows how to fix this, it's you. | ||
| You see it all. | ||
| I think it's the internet. | ||
| I think it's the only hope we have. | ||
| The internet and technology. | ||
| The technology like what you were saying about pulling carbon out of the atmosphere. | ||
| Cleaning the air and reusing the fuel. | ||
| That makes sense. | ||
| I mean, if technology can put it out there, it seems like we should be able to harvest it. | ||
| Maybe not now, maybe 100 years from now, whenever the fuck it actually becomes viable. | ||
| Well, somebody asked me at Internet Week. | ||
| The guy said, well, what if I'm not angry? | ||
| You know, I'm, whatever, 22 and, you know, I'm not angry and I want to go get an MBA and make money. | ||
| And I said, great. | ||
| You know, I think that there was the sort of our grandparents' generation that, you know, They didn't know better, so they were like, oh, space-age food, TV dinners, let's produce all the food, let's make it all with computers or whatever, assembly lines. | ||
| And so it started to be bad for us. | ||
| It started to do all these things. | ||
| Agent Orange, let's do all these terrible things. | ||
| But they didn't know any better. | ||
| Technology was sort of their... | ||
| You know, savior. | ||
| But the baby boomers, you know, they were the first generation that knew better but still became the largest energy consumers, the largest garbage producers, all this thing. | ||
| Gen X has sort of slipped by, but guess what? | ||
| The bill's here and it's going to be Gen Y. Like, they have to pay. | ||
| There is no get-out-of-jail-free card now. | ||
| So, as you're seeing economically, And socially and culturally and politically, we're shifting. | ||
| And if you just want to sort of say, I'm going to stick my head in the sand, which we've done for a little while, I don't think you're going to be able to anymore. | ||
| I agree with you, and I agree that things are shifting, and I also think that that's why these attacks on the Constitution have been permitted and are being pushed through. | ||
| I think they've seen the prognosis and they've seen the future, and the future is the trends that we see on the Internet. | ||
| It's a trend towards a more libertarian line of thinking. | ||
| It's a trend towards a smaller government, more accountability. | ||
| Less bureaucracy. | ||
| The idea of creating jobs doesn't mean you create some new fucking laws that you have to saddle everybody with and a bunch of people to enforce those laws. | ||
| And that's what a lot of these politicians like to think of as creating jobs. | ||
| You're creating problems. | ||
| And you cunts that keep attacking the Constitution and pulling amendments apart and really defacing the whole idea of what this country was founded on. | ||
| They're doing it just because they sense the future. | ||
| The future is not going to work the way it works now. | ||
| It's just not. | ||
| We're not going to deal with this whole idea of representative government. | ||
| We're not going to deal with special interest groups. | ||
| That shit is nonsense. | ||
| That's got to go away. | ||
| I think if you look at what's happening, too, if you look at Syria, for example, if you look at what happened in Egypt or Libya, you know, I spent a lot of time in those countries. | ||
| Just before the revolution, I got arrested in Libya. | ||
| And then when I went back and I said it, I would have never called this. | ||
| Not a lot of people did. | ||
| I would have said the opposite because it was so restrictive and it was so hardcore and everyone was so pro-regime. | ||
| But because of the internet, because of Twitter, because of Facebook, because of all these social tools, You had all these young people able to communicate and say, actually, I'm pissed off too. | ||
| Oh, we're all fucking pissed off. | ||
| Hey, let's change. | ||
| And I think that, you know, that change isn't going to be pretty in a lot of cases and it's going to be problematic. | ||
| But you do have young people who are taking up arms. | ||
| Now, you also have young people who are just smashing the shit out of cities like they did in Paris and especially in London last summer. | ||
| But, you know, what happens when... | ||
| When Occupy Wall Street becomes Egypt to try to smash the status quo, what happens when Occupy Wall Street becomes Syria or becomes Libya? | ||
| It's not in the foreseeable future maybe, but I didn't call Libya or Egypt or Syria either. | ||
| There's a lot of unrest out there and there's a lot of people communicating that unrest. | ||
| And in fact, if you see that in America, it's growing. | ||
| If I was campaigning this summer, then I would be focusing on, oh, we have a huge fucking groundswell and a global groundswell of dissatisfaction with the only group that's actually going to get off their ass and do something about it. | ||
| You must have at least some emotional attachment to Julian Assange and the WikiLeaks case. | ||
| When you see this case and this Bradley Manning kid, I believe he's still in solitary confinement. | ||
| I don't even know. | ||
| Does he have a court date? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| They just locked this kid in a box and cut him off from humans. | ||
| I'm sure he's completely crazy at this point. | ||
| I don't think you cannot go crazy in solitary confinement for five years, I think. | ||
| Well, it just shows that conspiracy theorists aren't crazy. | ||
| They're not crazy at all. | ||
| Because the majority of these are proof that there are, you know... | ||
| Very sorted and unseemly things going on every day. | ||
| 100%. | ||
| And the information that that guy released alone makes him a hero. | ||
| That guy released things that are anti-American. | ||
| He released things that are war crimes. | ||
| He saw war crimes. | ||
| We're not war criminals. | ||
| We're Americans. | ||
| We're American. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| This is how most proud Americans feel. | ||
| We're American and we're not cunts. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| We don't take any bullshit, but we're not cunts. | ||
| That's when you get a guy who feels that and he's an American and he's a soldier and he wants to, you know, he's a voluntary soldier signed up to represent this government and he sees his government doing horrible shit that's not being reported, it's being covered up. | ||
| Covering shit up when you do crimes is not how crimes get resolved. | ||
| Well, since when did telling the truth and keeping governments and big business in check become anti-American? | ||
| That guy's a goddamn patriot. | ||
| He's a patriot and he's locked in a box. | ||
| And then Julia Assange gets in trouble. | ||
| This WikiLeaks thing is so fascinating, man. | ||
| People were accusing me of getting my information wrong. | ||
| But no, he's not even accused of rape. | ||
| He's accused of having sex without a condom. | ||
| I wasn't lying. | ||
| He apparently, you know, they were sleeping together and he stuck it in this chick. | ||
| I don't know the fucking full story. | ||
| But the bottom line is, that's why they're trying to export this guy. | ||
| Like, if that's not the craziest thing, we're going to regulate voluntary sexual... | ||
| I mean, two people are naked in bed, we're going to decide what did and didn't happen between a guy and a girl? | ||
| And you're going to spend that much fucking money to monitor this guy and make sure he checks in constantly? | ||
| He's put videos online of his daily routine. | ||
| He has to drive to the police station and check in before he can do things. | ||
| He's under house arrest. | ||
| The whole thing is madness. | ||
| Well, the thing is, is the fact that they keep going on on the story and saying, yeah, we don't want him for actually blowing the whistle on every crime that's been going on in the government. | ||
| We want him for this sort of weird, you know, quasi thing that happened in Sweden that wouldn't be considered anything anywhere else. | ||
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Well, yeah. | |
| I think someone described it as surprise sex. | ||
| It's not even rape, technically. | ||
| It's like they had had consensual sex, but with a condom. | ||
| And then they were lying in bed. | ||
| I don't know what the fuck really happened, so I shouldn't even be saying this. | ||
| But the idea that they're wasting so much resource on a sexual issue that's not even a violent one, not even rape... | ||
| But it's kind of smart, actually, because, for example, it's the one thing that you can't say, well, they just drummed it up and it's bullshit, because, well, rape is very serious. | ||
| It's the worst. | ||
| It's the worst. | ||
| So you're in a catch-22 of saying, well, they just drummed it up to get this guy for blowing the whistle, but at the same time they drummed up the one thing that you're sort of taboo to go against. | ||
| It's the number one thing, yeah. | ||
| But they couldn't even get a good version of it. | ||
| I mean, the story is so weak. | ||
| If it was, you know, he roofied her and he did this, he tied her up and took pictures, and we have the pictures, oh, well, the guy's obviously a cunt that released important information. | ||
| But I think the sad thing about it is that you look at, you know, Deep Throat, you know, who announced who he was and all that stuff, and he did it to save the government and all that stuff. | ||
| He's a hero, right? | ||
| Right. | ||
| Well, it depends on who won. | ||
| Bradley Manning could come out to be a hero. | ||
| Julian Assange could come out to be a hero if there was some crazy revolution in the future. | ||
| We realized this is the turning point of American society when they said, we're not going to take this bullshit anymore. | ||
| When they watched that collateral murder video and realized, what are we doing to our children when we're forcing them to even think like this? | ||
| This is acceptable. | ||
| You have this one shot at life, and this is how you're going to spend some of your time shooting missiles down at innocent people wandering through the street. | ||
| But my question is, when did it change from journalism and the Fourth Estate's job being to make sure that politicians weren't lying, to make sure that corporations weren't doing these bad things? | ||
| I think Watergate changed it, right? | ||
| Well, I think, actually, distribution, I think, changed it because four companies run all news media, and they're all major global corporations that all have huge advertising. | ||
| They're conflicted and they don't go after politicians. | ||
| I remember during the Iraq War, people knew that this was all a construct. | ||
| They knew that there weren't weapons of mass destruction. | ||
| Everyone used to joke. | ||
| I used to hang out with all the journalists and they'd say, of course. | ||
| Al-Qaeda is the opposite of the Ba'ath Party. | ||
| How far do you take that? | ||
| How far do you take the whole idea of conspiracy? | ||
| I don't know if it's... | ||
| There's certainly a conspiracy to go to Iraq, right? | ||
| Yeah, for sure. | ||
| But that's been admitted to now. | ||
| And I think that because of 9-11, the press got co-opted and it became un-American to say anything bad about the government or the military. | ||
| And I think that that is... | ||
| That was one of the sort of turning points, A, because that's bullshit, and B, because young people got completely disenfranchised by news media because we saw it all happen to say, wait a minute, You know, this doesn't sound right. | ||
| And then afterwards they're like, yeah, there was no weapons of mass destruction. | ||
| Yeah, there was no Al Qaeda here. | ||
| And you're like, well, but we knew that. | ||
| But we kept saying it. | ||
| The news media became part of a government propaganda program and everybody just went along with it. | ||
| And that's fucking scary because no matter who's in government, you know, if they Can just put together propaganda. | ||
| How is that different than Nazi Germany? | ||
| How is it that different than any of these totalitarian regimes where they say, yes, Kim Il-sung is God or whatever? | ||
| How is that any different? | ||
| Because you can use the Fourth Estate as your PR agency. | ||
| Well, the CIA had released some sort of statement right after the war with Iraq. | ||
| It started that they were going to start releasing fake stories to throw off the enemy. | ||
| And once you admit to doing something like that, that's incredibly slippery ground. | ||
| That's the only way to defeat the enemy is you have to put out fake stories and lie to everyone. | ||
| And we're supposed to give you that power. | ||
| What kind of checks and balances are in place before that stuff gets distributed? | ||
| What the fuck is going on here? | ||
| Well, it's also, you know, Memorial Day, and you said it exactly right, is that, you know, what are we doing? | ||
| Sending, you know, going in with, what's our mission to go into Afghanistan? | ||
| What's our mission? | ||
| Well, we have a mission with al-Qaeda, Taliban, Taliban, Taliban. | ||
| Okay, now we're letting Taliban in because, well, we've lost. | ||
| We're saying, okay, well, we have to have power sharing with them. | ||
| And so you say, well, and everybody knows it's going to go right back to civil war. | ||
| So you're like, well, why did we come here? | ||
| Why did we do all this? | ||
| Like, what the fuck? | ||
| So you don't think that it's some sort of a grand conspiracy to extract minerals and all that stuff? | ||
| You think it's much more of a clusterfuck shit decision by government and then being in place because of momentum and because of the fact there's contractors and they all want to keep getting paid? | ||
| Resource wealth, for sure. | ||
| And it was the story that we broke in Sudan that time. | ||
| Darfur is oil. | ||
| And resource wealth, we did in the Congo. | ||
| We've done it in a lot of stories all over the place. | ||
| I wouldn't say, I would say they got caught in the quagmire of Afghanistan, much like the Soviets did. | ||
| They went in there, they were trying to do something, and they just got sucked in, and then it got worse and worse and worse and worse and worse. | ||
| And look, it's so bad on every level. | ||
| I mean, America's in there trying to fight this war on drugs, war on drugs, war on drugs. | ||
| They've been in there 12 years. | ||
| There's never been more heroin for cheaper or higher quality ever. | ||
| In fact, it's so good that they put the golden triangle out of business. | ||
| It's all coming from Afghanistan now. | ||
| And so America's the biggest drug dealer in the world because we're just sitting there running this country that just ships out all the heroin in the world. | ||
| How much of a peace does the CIA have of that? | ||
| Who knows? | ||
| Well, I would say that, you know, look, it's been documented that they were part of the original outflux into America from Vietnam during the Vietnam War as a way to keep urban populations sort of at bay. | ||
| That's well documented. | ||
| That was like a real social experiment? | ||
| They would bring heroin into the ghetto? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Really? | |
| That's well documented, yeah. | ||
| But is it well documented, the intentions? | ||
| Yeah, because there was civil unrest in the major urban center. | ||
| So they allowed heroin to go in because it took away all sort of, well, everything except for heroin addiction. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, I mean, if it's been a part of their policy in the past, obviously they're going to be incredibly sensitive to it. | ||
| But I don't think that you can say that they're not involved, or at least the State Department's not involved, because the statistics speak for themselves. | ||
| By a factor of two, so 100% more heroin addiction, heroin addicts in America since the start of the Afghani war. | ||
| Heroin's never been cheaper, it's never been better quality, and we've been running it. | ||
| So it's just flooding out, it's destroyed. | ||
| Russia has now got 7% in Pakistan, which is a Muslim country, extremist Muslim country, has something like 12% in Karachi anyway, heroin addiction. | ||
| It's flooding out of Afghanistan. | ||
| We could have gone in and taken all the fields that we didn't. | ||
| Well, not only did we not take the fields, we guarded them. | ||
| Sure, yeah, yeah, definitely. | ||
| Most people want to come up with some sort of crazy explanation or excuse for why they did that. | ||
| Well, it's because they fear that it's the only way they're really making money. | ||
| They're making money two ways, which is the American government and heroin. | ||
| And so they're like, well, if we take away heroin production, then they're really going to hate us. | ||
| Does any of that stuff make its way into pharmaceutical grade opiates like oxycodone, things along those lines? | ||
| Who knows? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| All I know is like every time we do a story on the heroin situation in Afghanistan, it's fucking shocking because you're just like, the Americans let them. | ||
| There's actually, you know, pictures of the American troops guarding Poppy. | ||
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Jesus fucking Christ. | |
| It's nuts. | ||
| It's the war on drugs, sort of. | ||
| Except over there. | ||
| Over there, we're a war against the war on drugs. | ||
| Well, if you see the war on drugs in Afghanistan, and then you see the war on drugs in Mexico, you're like, well, it's completely corrupt from start to finish. | ||
| This war on drugs is... | ||
| Complete horseshit. | ||
| What's the craziest slippery war ever? | ||
| The war on drugs and then you have armed soldiers guarding poppy fields. | ||
| What side are you on in this war on drugs? | ||
| Because it seems like you're on the pro-drug side. | ||
| You're guarding the drugs. | ||
| How could you have a war on drugs when you're guarding the drugs? | ||
| And you're sending all the weapons to Mexico that they need and all the money. | ||
| And you don't even go to jail for it. | ||
| And 90% plus of the heroin comes out of Afghanistan. | ||
| And what did you say about how much has the percentage of it increased since we have occupied Afghanistan? | ||
| Just in America, it's doubled. | ||
| But that's just in America. | ||
| But in Russia, it's gone through the roof. | ||
| It's doubled in the UK. But Russia and Pakistan and the Middle East, countries like Iran, everywhere on the path has just doubled. | ||
| Heroin addiction has soared. | ||
| In fact, heroin addiction is so huge in Russia. | ||
| Did you see the thing we did on Crocodile? | ||
| Yes! | ||
| What the fuck, man? | ||
| So they're so addicted to heroin that when they can't get it because it got expensive now because so many people are buying it that they make their own synthetic heroin. | ||
| And it's called Crocodile because it makes you look like a crocodile because it makes your skin like scales and then the scales fall off and you just have like bone there. | ||
| It's insane. | ||
| If you haven't seen it, if you haven't seen the images online of people that are addicted that have that, it's incredible. | ||
| It's so frightening. | ||
| It's frightening. | ||
| It's so frightening that people would do that to themselves. | ||
| I'm going to literally shoot drugs that make my skin rot and fall off the bone. | ||
| He's not exaggerating. | ||
| There's like people with big, their arms have like big gaping holes. | ||
| You see the bone. | ||
| You see the bone and they can walk around. | ||
| They're not even infected. | ||
| Well, some of it, yeah. | ||
| Some of them get infected? | ||
| It was weird. | ||
| It looked like it was burnt off, like it was fused. | ||
| Because it kills all the flesh and it falls off. | ||
| Jesus Christ. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's insane. | ||
| What happens then? | ||
| They just die. | ||
| I mean, you can't just have your bones just exposed like that, right? | ||
| Does it ever fill up if you quit? | ||
| You know, I don't know the answer. | ||
| Does anybody ever get off that shit? | ||
| It's even more addictive than heroin. | ||
| You guys had that shit about the Colombian drug that you blow in people's faces? | ||
| Yeah, that is terrifying. | ||
| Well, the freaky thing about scopolamine is you don't believe it's true until you see it. | ||
| Because the stories are, it's the zombie drug, right? | ||
| We heard stories of people coming into their apartments on security cameras and clearing out their whole apartments. | ||
| And you see them on security cams doing it, you know, and they don't have any recollection. | ||
| They wake up in the morning, their bank accounts are drained, etc., etc. | ||
| And they couldn't figure it out until the FARC, the guys who were Colombians who were making cocaine, were using the same... | ||
| What was happening was generally it started out as hookers and hookers would put a condom inside their mouth like this so it wouldn't go down and then they put a little scopolamine in their lips and then when they go to kiss you and they would spit scopolamine and you'd inhale it. | ||
| That's fucked up. | ||
| Holy shit, that's scary. | ||
| And then you go into this trance-like state, and then it's auto-suggestion. | ||
| So you say, okay, we're going to go now to your apartment. | ||
| Yes, and we're going to go to the apartment. | ||
| And then we're going to clean out all your shit, and we're going to go to your bank. | ||
| And they have security footage of them going to the bank and signing shit. | ||
| And it's not like one or two people. | ||
| This happens all the fucking time. | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| And so that's a fucking terrifying drug. | ||
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Terrifying. | |
| Because you're just gone. | ||
| You're in a sort of zombie-like narcotic state and you just do what people tell you to do. | ||
| That's the real ultimate date rape drug. | ||
| That's the real shit. | ||
| We've got to make sure people don't get a hold of that stuff. | ||
| That's a life rape drug. | ||
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Can you imagine dating one of those girls? | |
| Oh my god. | ||
| Someone spits something in your mouth and makes you be their zombie. | ||
| Those girls have to be undateable. | ||
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There's no way you can date that guy. | |
| What, a girl that would do that to somebody? | ||
| Yeah, like if you knew that's what she did as a job and you ever got in a fight with her, she probably had all these tricks. | ||
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First of all, he said hooker. | |
| He said she was a hooker. | ||
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I know. | |
| Imagine dating one of those hooker girls. | ||
| Yeah, you shouldn't date hookers. | ||
| That's just me. | ||
| I'm silly, though. | ||
| Especially ones that take over your brains. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Well, I'm so terrified of shit like that. | ||
| Why would that exist? | ||
| Why would there be something that allows you to be turned into a fucking zombie to someone else's suggestions like that? | ||
| You know, when you see the different things in nature, like different parasites that control different organisms and make them do fucked up things, it really is kind of bizarre when you stop and think about it. | ||
| Like, what kind of a system, what kind of a world do we live in where there's that laying around? | ||
| A plant that grows. | ||
| And if it gets into your body, people just order you around. | ||
| That's crazy! | ||
| You become a fucking robot. | ||
| You become an automated little slave for them. | ||
| Drugs are crazy. | ||
| We just did a story on, you probably know a lot more about it than I do, but Ibogaine. | ||
| And we were doing a story on the underground heroin clinics. | ||
| It's actually started by a lot of ex-junkies who were like 40-year junkies, like couldn't get off, tried hundreds of times to get clean. | ||
| They would do Ibogaine, and then it interrupts your addiction for like two weeks or whatever. | ||
| So it's long enough that you don't have to go cold turkey. | ||
| And so we went to these clinics where they administer Ibogaine and stuff. | ||
| It was fucking fascinating. | ||
| It was crazy. | ||
| Did you do it? | ||
| No. | ||
| Because I saw them do it. | ||
| And they were taking massive doses, though. | ||
| They were taking, like, it's 48 hours, lots of vomiting, like, crazy. | ||
| Crazy fucking shit. | ||
| I have a couple friends that have done it. | ||
| One that did it recently and one that it changed his whole life. | ||
| I have a buddy of mine, he got his back uninjured, got hooked on pain pills, started taking, you know, you name him, he was taking them. | ||
| Couldn't get off him. | ||
| It was ruining his life. | ||
| Goes down, gets an Ibogaine, boom, clean, 100%. | ||
| Now brings people down there, started his own center down there, brings people down there to introduce him to Mexico. | ||
| But I'm like, fucking Mexico, man. | ||
| Mexico's scary as fuck. | ||
| Well, it's because it's still legal there. | ||
| It's illegal here. | ||
| It's a Schedule I drug just like heroin. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Well, everything in Mexico is decriminalized now, right? | ||
| Most people don't know. | ||
| Didn't they decriminalize acid, mushrooms, pot, coke, everything? | ||
| And this was to fight the cartels. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| But yeah, Ibogaine, that's the strongest drug I've ever seen. | ||
| Because people under it were like, holy fuck. | ||
| Yeah, my business partner did it, changed his life. | ||
| Well, he's done it a couple times. | ||
| He's done a couple different things rather than changed his life. | ||
| He's done ayahuasca, done Ibogaine. | ||
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He's really into going to these weird places and going on big trips. | |
| But the Ibogaine is interesting because we follow, you know, some junkies straight through the whole process. | ||
| And it was pretty remarkable because it worked. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It was nuts. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Aubrey, my friend who's done it, he, you know, he described the process and I didn't want to do it even slightly. | ||
| It sounded like hell. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Like, you know, you can talk me into doing some DMT maybe. | ||
| It's 15 minutes. | ||
| I'll send you the piece. | ||
| There's so much vomiting. | ||
| It's fucking crazy. | ||
| Days of vomiting. | ||
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That could not be good for you. | |
| Well, you gotta think though, man, if someone's hooked on heroin, anything, they'll take anything to get them out of that. | ||
| I've watched people slip into addiction several times in my life, and it's just like being turned by a vampire. | ||
| It really is. | ||
| It's a feeling that you've lost someone. | ||
| They're slipping away. | ||
| They're slipping away from themselves, from their family, from everybody. | ||
| They're slipping away because of a compound, some sort of a chemical. | ||
| It's really, what a bizarre thing that we have, this addiction quality. | ||
| Well, we say that in the piece. | ||
| We say that this mother gives her son to these sort of New York fruitcakes. | ||
| Nice guys, but like weird guys who do sort of West African voodoo. | ||
| When they administered the Ibogaine and we were taking our son to Mexico to one of these clinics because we couldn't legally do it in America. | ||
| So we brought the whole crew down to Mexico to shoot it. | ||
| And it was like, how bad is heroin that a mother is going to give her son to these crazy West African voodoo ex-junkie dudes to take off to Mexico and administer the strongest drug in the world to so he's going to puke and fucking go nuts for two days. | ||
| That's how bad heroin is. | ||
| And that's what the government sells! | ||
| Da-da-da-da-da! | ||
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Damn! | |
| America! | ||
| Fuck yeah! | ||
| Listen, man, let's wrap this up and let you get some sleep. | ||
| You're the fucking man, dude. | ||
| Anytime you want to do this, anytime you're in town, you got an open invite. | ||
| We'll open this bitch up at 4 o'clock in the morning for you. | ||
| Whatever you want, man. | ||
| You're fucking awesome. | ||
| Continued safety and success in your travels, and thanks for illuminating giant parts of the world that I personally wouldn't have been aware of if it wasn't for you and what you guys are doing. | ||
| You're fucking awesome, man. | ||
| Thanks, buddy. | ||
| Good seeing you. | ||
| Good seeing you. | ||
| Alright, my friends, thank you everyone for tuning in. | ||
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