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May 15, 2012 - The Joe Rogan Experience
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Joe Rogan Experience #217 - Michael Ruppert
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unidentified
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joe rogan
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Why are you wearing sunglasses, you creepy bitch?
unidentified
Because Michael told me to.
joe rogan
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Maybe you know something.
I would like to get those sunglasses that Roddy Roddy Piper had.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
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unidentified
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I was looking at those going, I want a pair of those.
joe rogan
How awesome was having Dice Clay on?
unidentified
It was amazing.
joe rogan
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Michael Rupert's here.
We're finned to get to the bottom of shit.
I always wanted to say that.
We're finned to...
I wish I could say it without irony.
unidentified
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joe rogan
Just to clear things up, there's a lot of people in the MMA world, they're saying, hey man, Nick Diaz no-showed to a match with Braulio Estima.
They were supposed to have a jujitsu super fight, and Nick Diaz no-showed.
And they said, are you going to take him off the opening of your podcast?
And I was like, how dare you?
How dare you suggest that I would ever take Nick Diaz off the opening of my podcast?
That was one of the greatest moments of my life, sir.
unidentified
I love it.
It's one of my favorite parts.
joe rogan
And I don't know why he no-showed.
I'm sure he had his reasons.
I don't know what the fuck happened behind the scenes.
I don't know who pissed him off.
You can't piss that dude off.
If you want that dude to fight, everything has to be smooth as silk.
The UFC, there's no bullshit.
Everything's handled.
Everybody's smooth and professional.
And it goes off without a hitch.
And he has no problems with anybody.
But you can't be pissing that dude off and then expecting him to show up.
He'll just vanish on you.
unidentified
Was there some controversy?
Like, was there a reason that he got pissed off?
joe rogan
There was a weight issue, apparently.
They were supposed to weigh in at 180 pounds, 185 pounds the day of the match.
Like, he had two weigh-ins.
And apparently, Braulio Estima didn't know this, and then he weighed in in the morning.
He lost the weight.
He had to cut weight.
He had to cut, like, nine pounds.
So he cut the weight, he weighed in in the morning, and then he rehydrated.
But the confusion of him not being on weight or not knowing what the weight is or when to weigh in, that's where it gets confusing because it seems like it's the fault of the organizers.
It seems like there's a big confusion as to when this was all supposed to go down.
And then, of course, with Nick Diaz, like I said, you can't piss him off.
If you piss him off, it's just not to show up.
You know, and they fucked up in that regard.
They should have had everything working nice and smooth.
But I don't, you know, you can't excuse it.
I would have loved to have seen it, man.
Nick is a bad motherfucker, you know, and for him to have the kind of confidence to get in there with Braulio Estima, Braulio is one of the two or three best jiu-jitsu guys in the world.
I mean, he's amazing.
And as a pure grappler, I mean, he taps out other amazing pure grapplers.
Very smart guy.
And it sucks for him more than anything.
Because he came over here from England for this.
This is like a big moment for him as a representative of the best jiu-jitsu that's currently available to have a grappling match against what is a representative of the best martial artist, mixed martial artist we have available.
I mean, Nick Diaz is in the elite of the elite.
You know, he's right up there with the top guys in the world as far as MMA is concerned, as is Braulio in jiu-jitsu.
And so that would be so fascinating to see them go at it.
And it sucks that it didn't work out.
I don't know why it didn't work out.
unidentified
It seems like all these guys have weight issues.
Like, that's a huge problem.
brian redban
Why don't they just have, like, four girls on staff and they just have to, like, focus on weight issues?
unidentified
They seem like they would be pros at that.
joe rogan
Well, you've got to leave that shit up to a fighter.
This is a different sort of situation because there was a lot of confusion, apparently, as to when they were supposed to weigh in.
Nick Diaz weighed in one day and Brawley weighed in the morning or the next day.
There's obvious confusion.
I don't know exactly what happened.
You would have to sit both guys down and sort of piece the argument out, but it sucks.
brian redban
I was just trying to get Nick Diaz to have some girls on staff.
unidentified
I was just trying to help the guy out.
joe rogan
LAUGHTER Ladies and gentlemen, Michael Rupert's here, and he's going to get down to the bottom of things.
unidentified
I am.
joe rogan
Michael Rupert's been...
I have.
I've heard that Fox magic is particularly strong this type of month.
michael ruppert
Fox magic's been working.
joe rogan
This time of the month.
Fox magic, it's working.
unidentified
Fox magic's been magicking all over the place lately.
michael ruppert
Yeah.
But as far as what's going on, that's what I came down here to find out.
I had to talk to you to figure it out.
joe rogan
I don't know if I have any answers for you, sir.
I have a feeling anything that would be coming out of my mouth is pure speculation.
michael ruppert
Good.
joe rogan
From someone who's completely unqualified.
michael ruppert
Well, let's speculate all over the place.
Just a ton of shit's going on.
And there have been some major changes.
And as far as my life goes, things are changing for the good all over the place.
I've left CollapseNet.
joe rogan
Now, explain for the folks who are uninitiated, what is CollapseNet?
michael ruppert
CollapseNetwork.
CollapseNet.com, not Collapse.net.
It's a company we started two years ago after the movie The Dock Collapse came out.
And its purpose was to help people to prepare for the collapse of human industrial civilization, which is well underway right now.
And over the two years, we've grown to six members in 68 countries, and we got really busy.
We specialize in bringing really accurate news reports from all over the world that gives a real picture and telling people what's really going on, but also connecting them through a directory With 1600 hand-picked entries that's free the lighthouse directory for so you the lights are just going on Maybe it's a good idea to grow food or maybe there's going to be more blackouts or maybe this that so and a lot of work has been done Over the course of a couple of decades by a lot of people so we bring all that data
there so you don't have to reinvent the wheel and Then we bring a lot of great feature writers and stuff so it got to be Big, and we had some big challenges.
We got a massively cyber attack this year.
Man, they just, oh, they just laid into us twice this year.
And we had some big struggles, but the way it all evolved, and one of my lines is like, evolve or perish, you know, grow up or die.
And one of my big spiritual lessons now is about letting go.
It's letting go that really gives me more options.
joe rogan
Isn't it fun that you figure that out later in life?
Everybody does.
When you're young, it's like the big problem.
michael ruppert
I spent 21 years in 12-step and I lived that program.
So letting go came to be Something you practice when confronted with, you know.
So letting go of collapse, that turned out to be perfect.
I gave the ownership back to the, you know, I'm out completely, but now they don't have to pay my salary and they're all on their own and they're just so energized and they're just so on fire.
And now I get to step back a little bit because I'm a tired motherfucker.
unidentified
You know, I've been at this a long time.
joe rogan
Do you ever put nice stories on?
Like happy stories?
Sure we do.
Like someone found a box of kittens and they were purring.
unidentified
And all of them had beautiful smiles.
joe rogan
Everybody went home and they had a great day.
And the new episode of Game of Thrones was on and we watched it and it was awesome.
unidentified
And they had fox magic.
joe rogan
Here's you.
What kind of music is that, Brian?
unidentified
That's a fox magic song.
joe rogan
Okay.
We have a sound for it now.
Do you think it's possible that civilization won't collapse?
Is it possible that we're just stumbling and that we'll balance out?
Is that possible?
michael ruppert
Absolutely.
That's one of the reasons why I'm going through this big change.
Not only did I, in two books and the movie and everything else, kind of predict all of this stuff based upon a model that said that that means civilization is collapsing.
So if you see these symptoms, there's a pretty good chance that's what the disease is.
But now, just recently, Fukushima is so totally out of control.
Reactor number two is so hot that any robots they send to the reactor get fried.
And so they can't get into work on this melted core that's lying at the bottom.
And then they've said, no machines that can handle that radiation have even been designed yet.
Oh, okay, that leaves a reactor two out.
Building four with all the rock.
joe rogan
I think it's amazing that someone made nuclear reactors in the first place.
I think it's amazing.
You know, I did a joke about it in my act, but...
It really is fascinating that you can build something like that that you can't shut off.
That someone allowed them to build something like that where in some unmeasurable event where the power gets shut off and can't get back on in time, it's fucked forever.
michael ruppert
There are 450 more reactors around.
San Onofre just had a major breakdown.
joe rogan
Where's that?
michael ruppert
That's in San Clemente on the way to San Diego.
joe rogan
Really?
They had a major something?
unidentified
What did they have?
michael ruppert
It's down all season.
So you guys in Los Angeles are going to be having some humongous blackouts this summer.
joe rogan
Really?
michael ruppert
And brownouts.
Yeah.
I'm surprised.
See, we had that on CollapseNet, but they hide it from you in the mainstream news here.
That's why CollapseNet is so good at what we do.
joe rogan
Whoa.
So what's wrong with the reactor?
That's that one that you see when you drive down to San Diego?
michael ruppert
Reactor number two at San Onofre, right by Camp Pendleton.
joe rogan
It's a weird feeling to drive by and see a nuclear reactor.
michael ruppert
Reactor two, there was problems with the cooling pipes, and then I think they were checking another reactor, and gee, the x-rays showed some faulty piping, but now, so the reactor is offline indefinitely.
joe rogan
It is such a stupid fucking idea.
The idea that you can make something you can never shut off, that you would do that, that's so arrogant.
It's so incredibly arrogant because if it fucks up and people are like, well, most of the time it's clean and safe.
What are you banking on?
If you look at the permanence of any fuck up, what a massive amount of time it takes before that area is not deadly to go near.
If you look at the fuck up, we're talking about thousands of years.
michael ruppert
Japan is dead.
Japan is mortally wounded.
And I've been saying so, and it's clear.
Japan's economy is imploding.
They are now a net importer.
Their debt is like 280% of GDP. How are they getting their power now?
Very good question.
unidentified
Japan has replaced Was that a Japanese impression, by the way?
michael ruppert
No, I can do a better one if you want.
unidentified
Oh, don't do it.
Don't do that.
No, no, no.
So Japan, what happened?
michael ruppert
They're running emergency diesel widely, which is, diesel is a whole separate issue worldwide.
But they're running diesel.
They're burning now fuel oil and coal oil, which, excuse me, two grades of oil.
And they're importing liquefied natural gas.
Now that's where you build this $450 million floating gigantic bomb of liquefied natural gas.
And you float it across.
And, you know, one of those things is almost the size of an atom bomb.
If it goes off.
So this is energy desperation.
And when you talk about diesel, you know, don't buy diesel now.
And here's why.
Diesel shortage all over the world.
In India, they got 30,000 generators to handle blackouts at the Taj Mahal.
And the city that's around there.
We ran that story twice on CollapseNet.
And there's so many blackouts in India and Pakistan.
They're all burning diesel and they're short of coal.
I mean, it's happening all around the world right now, but diesel is in really short supply.
joe rogan
What are they going to do with all these nuclear power plants?
They can't shut them down, right?
There's no way.
You can't shut it off.
michael ruppert
Well, if you combine that, let me just take you a little bit further ahead to where the point of all this is going.
joe rogan
Okay.
michael ruppert
Because from four different directions, they ain't going to shut the nuclear power plants off.
They can't control what they got.
Because electricity is industrial civilization.
You don't have industrial civilization without it.
joe rogan
It just seems so ridiculous to put something like that in an area where it's close to humans.
The idea that you can completely contain that insane amount of energy, it's so arrogant.
michael ruppert
Okay.
That's one prong of a fork.
Fukushima.
Here's the second prong.
joe rogan
AIDS? No.
What happened, AIDS? AIDS just cut it out.
AIDS came out of the gate like Tyson.
AIDS was killing people left and right, but now you hardly hear about AIDS anymore.
unidentified
It's the best diet in Hollywood right now.
michael ruppert
It also generates a lot of medical money in the medical business.
joe rogan
Do you ever read that Peter Duesberg stuff?
michael ruppert
A long time.
joe rogan
Do you know who he is?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
He's the biologist from the University of California, Berkeley, and his claim is something along the lines of, That HIV is like a weak virus.
I may be paraphrasing here.
And that when you're seeing it in people, most likely it's because they have a weakened immune system.
A strong, healthy immune system fights off HIV fairly easily.
That it's not the culprit of AIDS, but rather a symptom of a depleted immune system that's from a variety of different things.
And, you know, it's a crazy argument, because if it's true, it's like, how could only this guy be figuring that out?
This one biologist and all these other guys, they haven't noticed that?
michael ruppert
Is it that tricky?
I don't trust any of the science behind modern medicine.
joe rogan
But is it possible?
That's not possible, though, right?
I mean, it's not possible that AIDS is a hoax.
That's not possible.
michael ruppert
It is definitely possible that it was man-made.
joe rogan
Right, but it's a real disease, right?
michael ruppert
It is definitely possible that it was intentionally released.
joe rogan
You really, you feel like that?
michael ruppert
Yeah, I've seen, this goes way, way back to like the 90s when I saw these, but these were WHO documents showing the first outbreak of AIDS, and superimposed were WHO vaccination programs, and it was like a perfect match.
Wow.
joe rogan
Yeah, I don't...
Obviously, I'm no biologist, but I don't see how one guy could be out there saying something like that and all of his peers disagree.
I mean, is that how it works?
I mean, obviously, people think that HIV causes AIDS, but in this guy's mind, he's like, these people were all doing...
I think it was drug abuse and partying, and that's what he was attributing to their depleted states.
They were doing like crystal meth and poppers and amyl nitrate and stuff and that apparently is immune system crushing.
This amyl nitrate is something that gay guys like to do.
michael ruppert
That was big in the 70s.
I mean, when I was a cop, I ran into amyl on the street.
joe rogan
What would they do?
Just pop it and they smell it or something like that?
Sam Kennison had a bit about it.
michael ruppert
This is the story of the funniest dead body I have ever seen in my life.
unidentified
You want to hear the story of the funniest dead body I've ever seen in my life?
Yes.
michael ruppert
Alright.
I swear this is true.
I was working Wilshire Division and I was a P3. I had two stripes.
And every Christmas, cops from one division will go cover for another division when it has its Christmas party.
So we were covering for Hollywood Division's Christmas party.
So I'm driving up around in Hollywood and we get a call, 6A42, meet the RA, dead body, such and such address, maybe on Cherokee or something.
So, the RA is a rescue ambulance.
So we pull up, and it's a three-story, standard California, really bare-bones, interior courtyard, open balconies.
And it's up on the third floor.
And so me and my partner, we go walking down.
And I notice that the paramedics are just outside laughing their asses off.
They're down on their knees.
They're laughing so hard.
Okay.
And I'm going...
Okay, guys, this is the dead body call, right?
And I go, yeah.
And I go, what?
And they point.
And so I go in, and there's this dead guy on the floor.
And he was, I would say, young, 20-ish, light-skinned African-American guy in a Fredericks of Hollywood negligee.
unidentified
Holla!
michael ruppert
And he was laying on the floor and kind of spread eagle and I looked and there is a broomstick protruding from you know where.
But there's only about a foot of it protruding from you know where.
And so the table had been pushed up against it.
It was easy to figure it.
I guess this was before a man could buy a sex toy or something.
I don't know.
But he had been up masturbating on the table with the broom and the purpose of the yamble was to strike it right as you come.
joe rogan
Right.
michael ruppert
But what it does is it gives you an involuntary back spasm.
Oh no.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
michael ruppert
That's my amyl nitrate story.
joe rogan
And the broomstick went up his ass and killed him.
michael ruppert
He looked satisfied.
joe rogan
What a way to go, man.
Yeah, there's been a bunch of dudes that have gone asphyxiation style, right?
That's like the NXS guy, David Carradine.
brian redban
That's actually pussy shit because a real guy would do it the other way with the broom coming at you from the bristle part side.
unidentified
That's the real way to do it.
joe rogan
Wow, like a man.
unidentified
Yeah, like a man.
Like men in this West Hollywood shit.
I'm talking Burbank.
joe rogan
That's how gay Samoans handle it.
Rite of passage.
You gotta use a broom the other way.
michael ruppert
Humor was good.
unidentified
Fudge magic.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's a dumb way to die.
One of the things I heard is the big conspiracy would be that if you wanted to shame a person, you would kill them and make it look like they died masturbating like an idiot.
unidentified
I mean, that's like in a couple of NWA songs.
Yeah, I'm just leaving a bunch of gay porns around.
joe rogan
That would be the ultimate joke if you found your buddy dead.
You're like, alright, he's dead.
So listen, there's nothing I can do about that.
But what I can do is put his dick in his hand and put a bunch of gay porns all around him and then take pictures of him and then put it online.
unidentified
That's cold.
joe rogan
I got you the last one, bitch.
I got the last one.
Come on, that would be hilarious.
unidentified
Like with lipstick on and shit?
joe rogan
Because if you knew that guy and you loved him, it's like the one last joke you can get out of him.
unidentified
That's so fucked up.
joe rogan
It's so fucked up.
It's so fucked up, but it would be hilarious.
unidentified
That's cold.
joe rogan
You got to have a good sense of humor.
Come on, man.
That's hilarious.
unidentified
All right.
I remember that.
joe rogan
You don't think that you remember that?
Yeah, I remember that too, bitch.
unidentified
That sucks.
Why do you even release that into the...
joe rogan
There's already photos of you out there with dicks in your hand and your mouth, and that's the golden rule of the internet.
unidentified
Yeah, but imagine a real-life conspiracy against you.
joe rogan
Neo, it's not real.
michael ruppert
Neo, it's not real.
joe rogan
Michael Rupert went with the sunglasses on.
That's when he's going to get deep.
Isn't that a weird thing like that that's a cool guy thing to wear your sunglasses?
Isn't that a weird thing?
unidentified
I'll tell you one thing.
joe rogan
What about that new meme where the sunglasses come down?
Deal with it.
unidentified
I love it.
joe rogan
What is that?
Where did it come from?
I love it too, but where did it originate?
unidentified
I don't know.
joe rogan
What is that from?
unidentified
I don't know.
joe rogan
It's everywhere though.
I see it all over the place.
Sunglasses drop down.
Deal with it.
unidentified
It's beautiful.
joe rogan
But how did sunglasses get to be cool?
unidentified
What does that mean?
michael ruppert
I don't even know what that means.
joe rogan
I think what that means is whatever you have issue with, why don't you just fucking deal with it and leave me alone?
unidentified
Okay.
joe rogan
You know?
Deal with it.
michael ruppert
Get out of my face?
joe rogan
Well, he's a cool guy.
He's got his sunglasses on.
Get out of my face.
He's just super cool.
Yeah.
But how does that make you cool?
How did sunglasses become something that makes you cool?
unidentified
Because you look different.
Your eyes are...
You look like...
Now you look like a fly.
You look like a bug.
joe rogan
Well, you do right there.
Those are actually pretty dope.
These record HDs?
unidentified
No, these record HDs.
joe rogan
But those are Oakleys, right?
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
No, they're not?
unidentified
No, they're just video camera glasses.
joe rogan
That is amazing.
That's HD. What a world we live in.
How long before you get a chip in your eyeball that just does that and you don't have to have...
unidentified
Seven days?
joe rogan
Well, there's probably going to be...
We're going to be inserting shit into our bodies eventually.
They're going to give you something that just works way better.
Like this...
All you need is this one little microprocessor in your body and you will never have a disease again.
If just bing, you have like this microprocessor that regulates your body, they put it right in your pituitary gland, and it regulates your body like a little micromessenger.
unidentified
And then that shit's gonna start getting viruses.
joe rogan
But every ten years they have to give you brain surgery and open it up to change the battery.
What do you think?
unidentified
Yeah.
Yeah, but imagine if that computer...
Oh, help.
Hey, Joe, imagine if that computer inside you fixes all the disease and all the shit, and then that computer gets a virus.
That's what I'm talking about.
That computer gets a virus, and then so you have to start making medicine to help that computer, so you put robots inside that computer.
joe rogan
Or it gets a virus that turns you gay.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Imagine that?
They had a virus and all of a sudden you just could not stop your gay urges.
unidentified
That would probably be the first thing virus, right?
The gay virus?
joe rogan
What if John Travolta had that and all this time people are just being mean to him and they don't know that he has a disease?
He has a genetically designed disease from the Russians maybe.
You know, if you wanted to do that, make someone super aggressively gay.
The government has worked on this, right?
This is not a joke.
Michael Rupert would back me up.
Remember, during Iraq, they were trying to figure out how to make a gay bomb.
This is not a joke.
michael ruppert
I can pretty much guarantee that with all of the hundreds and hundreds of billions of dollars that the black ops community has had to work with in the secret budget all these years, they have tried every stupid fucking thing in the world you could think of.
joe rogan
This idea was that they were going to be able to spray something down, like something blows up over these guys.
It sprays all over them and it makes them gay.
I mean, they were really looking into the possibility of that.
They thought it would demoralize them.
Did they ever hear about the Greeks and the Romans?
Some of the greatest fucking soldiers of all time.
They were boning each other constantly.
The Samurais boned each other too.
Dudes boned dudes back then, and they were cutting heads off every day.
That's a wild time.
You can't think that making these people guy is going to make them better fighters.
They're going to fight for their boyfriend now.
Fuck you up, man.
michael ruppert
That's what the system does with pretty much everything.
It takes something, and it bends it.
It twists it so that you accept a way to look at it that is a basic fundamental lie anyway.
You know, I don't think gay or non-gay has shit to do with how good a warrior you are.
joe rogan
Exactly.
michael ruppert
You know.
joe rogan
Yeah, there's a lot of gay dudes who can beat the fuck out of you.
No doubt about it.
michael ruppert
I got my ass kicked once by a dyke as a cop.
unidentified
What?
michael ruppert
I did.
unidentified
Yeah.
michael ruppert
Christ, she was 6'2", and she could bench like 260 or something.
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
Did you underestimate her?
Did she charge you?
Like, what happened?
michael ruppert
We just called.
It was a 415 fight at a bar.
joe rogan
What does 415 mean?
michael ruppert
That's a police call for disturbance, you know.
joe rogan
Is 420 really pot?
michael ruppert
No.
That had nothing to do with police.
No?
joe rogan
What is that?
michael ruppert
That's a colloquialism.
It's a native, you know, but as far as LAPD, no, I never heard of 420. How did 420 become pot?
joe rogan
Anybody?
michael ruppert
There's probably a good history behind that.
It might be a code in some county in Northern California.
joe rogan
Okay, so I'm sorry.
So 415 comes out.
You go to visit.
michael ruppert
It's a lesbian bar.
unidentified
It's a giant dike.
michael ruppert
We go in, and she was fighting somebody else, and I go to step in, and she's Blah!
unidentified
And she went flying back across the room.
joe rogan
Man, you got to be really careful because big women can knock you the fuck out.
That's for real.
There's some big women out there that can knock you the fuck out.
I know a chick that's only like 130 plus pounds, maybe like 140. My friend Tommy Jr.'s girlfriend, Katie.
And she can punch a fucking hole in your face, man.
This chick knows how to punch.
And she's a strong girl.
There's girls out there that can fuck you up.
You got to be careful.
Especially if they sucker punch you.
Oh, that's terrible.
There's a great video, though, of some fucking asshole who's yelling and screaming at this woman, and she grabs him by the collars and headbutts him and knocks him unconscious.
It was like a security camera in front of a bar.
The guy was just being a drunk douchebag, and the girl was badass, man.
She was like a fucking character in a movie.
I mean, she wasn't a big girl, but she grabs him by the collar and just fucking headbutts him right in the chin, and the dude goes out.
It was hilarious.
Yeah, it's a beautiful video.
Have you ever seen it, Brian?
Pull it up because there's not even any audio.
It's probably Girl Headbutts Guy K.O. Yeah, maybe.
I don't know why I'm asking you to find it.
It's probably a billion of those, right?
How many videos online are there about girls headbutting a guy and knocking him out?
unidentified
I can find it.
michael ruppert
Well, you know I am the only guy in the history of the Los Angeles Police Department to have been bitten in the left testicle in the line of duty.
joe rogan
Really?
Oh, Jesus.
The only guy ever?
unidentified
Was it as far as I know?
joe rogan
Is it because your right had your hand on it and you were massaging it?
No.
Why did someone bite your ball?
michael ruppert
We got a call.
This wasn't a day when angel dust was on the street.
unidentified
Oh, Jesus.
michael ruppert
PCP. Oh, my God.
It's the worst drug I've ever seen in my life.
joe rogan
What is the effects for the unwashed masses?
michael ruppert
Oh, my God.
Well...
It was designed as an elephant tranquilizer.
That ain't the way it works in humans.
It's a powerful hallucinogenic, but it gives people a feeling of superhuman strength.
And they have it.
They display it.
You get a real thin sheen of perspiration and you get this glassy eye look just like this.
joe rogan
That's how I look all the time.
michael ruppert
And these guys would, you know, throw five or six cops around.
They would pull fire, stupid strength things.
And quite frequently they had to be shot because there was just, they wouldn't stop.
joe rogan
I have a friend who got his finger bitten off when he was on PCP. So we got a call.
michael ruppert
A Wilshire sergeant was requesting a backup.
It was just south of the station, south of La Brea in Venice there, a few blocks.
And we go rolling up.
And here's this sergeant.
Tim Wright was 6'5".
He's just backed into a corner in this apartment.
And here's this little bitty black guy, about 5'8", like Sammy Davis Jr. But he's holding like a 35-inch color console television set above his head.
Those things were heavy.
I mean, right away you know it was dust.
And I was known as the fire sergeant.
The sergeant says, Rupert, get him.
So like five of us went in there, and it was just like one of the cartoon melee things.
joe rogan
Oh, God.
michael ruppert
We finally got him handcuffed and then flexicuffed around his ankles, you know, the plastic cuffs.
Called an ambulance, put him on the gurney, two canvas straps on the gurney, one over torso and one over thighs or knees.
So we figure we got him.
We take him out to the ambulance.
Now, I stand up, but when you're lifting the gurney to raise it into the ambulance, you pull it up to...
joe rogan
Oh no!
Oh no!
michael ruppert
So he broke the canvas strap over his legs.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
michael ruppert
And everybody went back to his legs and they went, wow!
He went like that.
joe rogan
Oh my god, he bit your ball sack.
unidentified
Holy shit!
joe rogan
What is the recovery on something like that?
michael ruppert
It hurt a lot.
Nothing was damaged, but the fear.
joe rogan
It must have been horrific.
unidentified
Just looking down for your first time.
joe rogan
It must have been horrific.
michael ruppert
I wound up having the nickname of Inspector Cluzo.
joe rogan
I got kneading a dick once in jiu-jitsu, and I didn't know how bad it was.
This was before I used to wear a cup.
Now I wear a cup.
michael ruppert
Smart man.
joe rogan
Yeah, and I didn't realize how bad it was until after I was done training.
It fucking hurt like hell, but I... I figured it's just me being a bitch because I got hit in the dick.
You know, like, oh, my poor dick.
You know, because that's how you think.
Like, it's like it's extra sensitive.
It's my baby.
unidentified
Are you wearing a Dixie?
joe rogan
I wasn't wearing anything.
I was wearing a jockstrap.
unidentified
Oh, I didn't say that.
joe rogan
I mean, I was wearing clothes.
What kind of wrestling are you doing, boy?
And my friend Einstein was passing my guard and he slammed his knee.
He was trying to pass his knee through my legs and he just miscalculated and caught my dick.
And I didn't realize how bad it was until I was taking a leak after training.
And blood was all over my jockstrap.
My jockstrap was like filled with blood.
And I was like, oh great, my dick's bleeding.
This is awesome.
So, like a retard, I didn't even go to the doctor.
Instead, what I did was I went to see if I could beat off.
I'm like, well, if I could beat off, my dick has to be good.
It can't be broken if I could beat off.
And I beat off successfully, and it didn't even hurt that much.
And when I came, it was like blood and cum together, like I had a chicken, like a little chicken egg.
So I said, all right, well, let's see if this heals up.
If it feels even a little bit funny tomorrow, I'm going to the doctor.
So I peed blood for like two or three more days, but I felt great.
I was just checking for any inflammation or feeling of irritation.
I think, you know, you just heal up.
It's like, would I go to the doctor if I did that with my nose?
And the answer was no.
Because I've done it with my nose a hundred times.
unidentified
I would have drank a lot of orange juice and tried to make orange pee.
You know what I mean?
joe rogan
Try to make lemonade.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
It would be like pink lemonade.
brian redban
No, but seriously, that's something that you probably didn't want to get checked out because you didn't want them to have to put something in your penis hole or something like that.
joe rogan
No, I didn't want to be a pussy.
I mean, if it was my ear, I wouldn't go to the doctor.
If it was my nose, I'm like, why am I going to the doctor if it's my dick?
I wouldn't want to go to the doctor if it's infected.
What are they going to do?
How are they going to fix it?
What are they going to do?
Are they going to put a splint on it?
unidentified
Like Joey Diaz's finger?
joe rogan
Take two popsicle sticks and send it back in like a wounded soldier.
I don't know what the fuck they would do.
There was nothing wrong with it.
It was just hurt.
You know what I mean?
It just needed to heal up.
But if it was hurt, if it was more than that, I would have noticed after a while.
I was pretty sensitive.
michael ruppert
That's a great physical metaphor for what happens emotionally a few times in your life.
joe rogan
When you're kicking the dick, you heal up, hopefully.
michael ruppert
Yeah, you heal up, hopefully.
That's a good physical metaphor for that.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's very difficult for people to accept the idea that sometimes people don't want to be around them.
Some people aren't meant for each other.
Their fucking personalities clash.
Some people have different ideas.
It's very difficult to find someone that you can hang with for any long period of time.
unidentified
Definitely.
joe rogan
We just gotta learn to be nicer about the whole process.
You know, it's the getting kicked in the dick emotionally.
unidentified
We've got to figure out how to cut back some of that for you.
joe rogan
You know, I had a party recently at my house, a little kids party, and a couple friends came over, including two friends that are exes.
They're ex-boyfriend and girlfriend, married to different people now, but still great friends.
And it's so cool to see that, when people can act like that, and can actually really be close friends.
Like their kids play together, they go out to dinner together, they go on double dates together.
They're genuinely friends.
So it is possible, but goddamn, for the most part, most of them end up like fucking, like those air shows, where they touch wings and just fucking go into the crowd in a ball of fire.
Well, you ever go to an air show, man?
You ever go to an air show?
michael ruppert
Oh, yeah.
I grew up in an Air Force family.
joe rogan
Jesus Christ.
michael ruppert
And I've been to quite a few.
joe rogan
Have you ever seen a wreck like that?
michael ruppert
No.
Thank God.
joe rogan
What kind of jets did you fly in?
michael ruppert
I didn't.
My father did.
joe rogan
You've never been in one?
michael ruppert
Not in a fighter jet, no.
joe rogan
I did a thing for the Blue Angels.
They would take celebrities up.
Oh, cool.
Yeah, we went seven and a half Gs.
And they don't wear suits either, man.
You know, when they do their shit, they don't.
Most places they wear some sort of a compression suit that allows you to deal with the pressure.
But they don't wear them.
They just do it all with their body.
You know, they have to be like really in shape.
michael ruppert
They're in really good shape.
joe rogan
A lot of isymmetrics though.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
All kinds of, man, gymnastics, lifting weights.
You have to like really strengthen your body just to deal with the g-force.
It's fucking incredible, man.
The feeling is, it's amazing how much pressure it is.
When you realize that like going fast doesn't just, it doesn't come free.
Like, if you want to really go that fast, you have to move your body in a way that's completely unaccustomed to moving through the universe.
Like, the amount of pressure that comes from that kind of speed, it's like monumental.
It's hard to even wrap your fucking head around.
michael ruppert
I love it.
I love it.
joe rogan
Dude, seven and a half G's is insane.
And it feels like, consciousness literally feels like an elevator door.
You can see black on each side.
It's a crazy feeling, man.
But when they wreck, they wreck hard.
michael ruppert
Oh, I remember my dad was a radar intercept officer in F-89s and F-90s.
Those are two-seat interceptors.
He used to fly up over the North Pole waiting for the Russians to attack during the Korean War.
That was his mission.
joe rogan
Wow.
michael ruppert
And we saw a few UFOs and some strange things.
joe rogan
Jesus!
michael ruppert
Anyway, so the worst, and it was all Air Force.
So it was in the late 70s, early 80s, the Thunderbirds.
We're doing a five formation loop, ground loop, and something went off and all five flew straight into the ground simultaneously.
joe rogan
Oh my God!
michael ruppert
And that was like, that was like, you just go...
joe rogan
Oh my God.
Whoa.
Oh my God.
Holy shit, that's crazy.
michael ruppert
Words fail.
joe rogan
That's crazy.
michael ruppert
Yeah.
joe rogan
What happened?
How the fuck does that happen?
michael ruppert
Something.
I'm not gonna say.
It wasn't a combination of pilot error and mechanical failure.
Because everybody follows the lead.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
michael ruppert
Nobody else is paying any attention to anything except the lead.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
That's so crazy.
That is so fucking crazy.
That's hard to even think about.
That's one of those things that's hard to wrap your head around.
What that must have been like to be a part of and know that it's happening right before the fucking plane hits the ground.
michael ruppert
They might have had a microsecond to know.
joe rogan
The guy that took me on the Blue Angels flight was a bad motherfucker.
I wish I could remember his name.
I have it at home.
It's on a signed photo.
But we went through these canyons, and it was so fast, it was ridiculous.
And we're only like a couple hundred feet off the ground.
And you realize what those things can do.
And just think about it, if you were on the ground and one of those motherfuckers was looking for you, holy shit!
God damn, that's scary.
One of those fighter jets looking for you while you're on the ground would have to be one of the most frightening things ever.
michael ruppert
Well, they fly too fast.
I mean, this is where I have some expertise because of the life I've led hanging with some green beanie guys.
joe rogan
They can't see anything?
They fly too fast?
michael ruppert
They fly too fast.
joe rogan
So you need helicopters.
michael ruppert
Yeah, well, you would want a helo with a FLIR, forward-looking infrared radar for night.
That's a third-gen night vision where you can pick out the heat moving very easily.
joe rogan
Could they use, like, a blimp or something, just float it up above the sky and get a big view of the sky?
michael ruppert
They're doing all that shit.
joe rogan
Are they really?
michael ruppert
They have little microcopters and they got all the money.
It's like Jack Nicholson in Batman.
unidentified
Where do they get all the toys, you know?
michael ruppert
That's what they do.
joe rogan
Why do they feel like they have to control things so much?
Why is that?
Why does there have to be so much resources spent on this aspect of society?
michael ruppert
It's the infinite growth monetary paradigm, but it's also people who have control, if you will.
Some will call them the powers that be.
I'm getting to call them the powers that were because they're failing monumentally.
But they must maintain control.
Otherwise, all of the crimes that have been committed for eons will come starkly clear to a lot of people all at once.
That's like the awakening of the hundredth monkey.
Like, holy shit, we human beings really have been farmed like animals.
joe rogan
What is that expression, the awakening of the hundredth monkey?
Because I've heard it more than once.
michael ruppert
Well, that was in...
That was in the dock collapse.
After the Second World War, and they were playing with the atom bombs, they wanted to see how long it would take to repopulate an island.
So they went back to this island four or five years after, and then they introduced trees and they got things growing.
Then they brought in like 10,000 monkeys to see how they would...
There was enough for everything, but the coconuts were slightly radioactive on the husks.
So the safe way to eat the coconut was to wash it in the stream.
And they taught like 10 monkeys to wash the coconut.
And then other monkeys look, and then pretty soon there's 15, and then 47, and then 200, or excuse me, 88. But when they reached the 100th monkey, all 10,000 got it all at once.
Everybody just went, oh!
unidentified
Yeah.
Okay.
joe rogan
So then they all started washing the coconuts.
unidentified
Yeah.
michael ruppert
And that's a parable about...
joe rogan
You didn't tell me this story the last time you were here, did you?
michael ruppert
No.
No.
It was in the movie.
joe rogan
That's what it was.
michael ruppert
Okay.
So that's a metaphor that's a parable about a radical shift in consciousness.
And right now, a radical shift in human consciousness is the only thing that can possibly save us.
And there's a part of me, for all of the stuff that I've done bringing the bad news, which was my mission.
That was my duty for like 30 years, was like to warn.
And now the Fox Medicine spiritual message says they've had all the warnings they're going to get.
But now I'm also very aware that this change of consciousness is happening.
And I'm seeing enormously encouraging signs of that.
One day we won't have to think about how we suddenly try to get governments to be honest.
joe rogan
One day, listen, this government right now, one day is going to be embarrassing.
It's going to be embarrassing.
They're going to look back.
It is.
I agree.
All of them have been.
We're going to look back on this time with shame because the people that are running this country, this very small percentage of the people, they're not going to be able to maintain it.
There's too much access to information these days.
It's not the same animal as it was when this whole monster was created.
unidentified
If you look, Joe...
michael ruppert
Anywhere in the world, every government is failing.
There is not a government anywhere in the world that's succeeding.
joe rogan
Because the way they're set up is ridiculous.
The whole thing is ridiculous.
And after a while, people just, they can't take the inequity of it.
People snap everywhere they want.
Even this one, the best one there is, without a doubt, I think America is the best set up there is.
I love it here.
It's the greatest country in the world.
But, God damn it could be better.
It could be better by a million fold.
It could easily be better.
michael ruppert
I don't think America can be fixed.
That doesn't mean that I'm un-American.
What I mean is I think the United States of America, as it's operating now, is not fixed.
joe rogan
Well, it's set up on a bullshit financial system.
That's a real big part of it.
michael ruppert
It's utterly corrupt.
I'm Thomas Jefferson here.
I'm saying this.
Thomas Jefferson said you need a revolution every generation.
joe rogan
Have you ever thought about just moving to Hawaii and saying, Fuck you.
Have you ever thought about doing that?
michael ruppert
No, no.
I spent four months in Venezuela.
That was an unusual story.
But no, I'm up in Northern California.
That's where I'm staying.
joe rogan
Staying?
michael ruppert
Yeah.
joe rogan
Until the asteroid comes.
michael ruppert
I'm planting my ass in there.
They're going to have to come by the bulldozer and take me out of there.
joe rogan
You're out there making it happen, dude.
Are you sure that this is all going to fall apart, though?
michael ruppert
It is falling apart.
joe rogan
But what is the possibility that something can happen that can pull us out of the fire?
Something that's going to keep us from...
michael ruppert
The only thing that can keep us from slamming into the mountain is for the human race collectively to see it slamming itself into the mountain and decide to do differently.
It's got to be a change of consciousness.
This is not going to be a message written in a letter put out in a broadcast put out.
Everybody's got to get it.
joe rogan
I personally think the internet itself is very psychedelic in the fact that it's responsible for a massive expansion of human consciousness.
Not from a drug form, but from an information form.
The fact that the access to information is so spectacular and the whole viral aspect of it, I think that...
That human beings right now, this is a very rare time.
We're in a balancing act right now.
But I think the information that we're getting from the internet is expanding consciousness as much, almost, as a drug would.
You know, as an influx, if you look back on like, you know, 19 between like...
1994 and now, what a massive change in our society has come about because of YouTube and Twitter and Facebook and the interconnectedness of society.
The massive extent of it is so much different than it was before that.
michael ruppert
The evolutions via the net are amazing.
joe rogan
Amazing.
But I think that that's going to influence the way the government works.
I think it's going to influence the people that are in positions of power.
I think it's slowly going to root out the old.
The old system that's in place was all these fuckers were around before the internet.
All of them.
Except Obama.
michael ruppert
The old system.
joe rogan
Obama, you know, he should have been just a little bit older.
He's a little bit older than me, so he was a grown man while the internet came out.
He should have...
Maybe it was too late for him, too.
Maybe it's one more generation after this where they realize you can't fucking lie anymore because there's new technology that lets you read thoughts, and then everything has to be done transparently.
michael ruppert
I don't think it's going to take anywhere near that long.
This old system is going to collapse because it will be satisfied with nothing less.
It's seeking its own death.
It's doing everything to...
To kill itself.
Intellectually, anything running this world right now is being defeated.
joe rogan
Do you think that's because the current people are greedy and they're just looking out for themselves and trying to just score short-term and just get out because that's where the money's at, Michael Rupert?
michael ruppert
I think that they're trying to...
joe rogan
That was good, right?
unidentified
That was good.
michael ruppert
I think that they're trying to do anything they can to hold on to what power and what information they have because they do not want...
The power or the information that they have to be shared, and it's a total desperation move, and they're going to fail.
joe rogan
If I was a doctor for the world, and I looked at this problem, and I was like, hmm, I see what you got.
This is a bunch of cunts that haven't done mushrooms, and they're running things.
That's what it had.
You have a bunch of old, greedy fuckheads.
That are just unpsychedelically inclined.
They've never had consciousness-expanding experiences.
They don't know the beauty and the love that you get from a psychedelic experience with friends where you realize how much of the way you behave and live and interact with people.
It's just insecurity.
It's just stupidity.
It's nonsense.
unidentified
I'm not sure that would cure everything.
joe rogan
It would cure it all, baby, or...
michael ruppert
I'd like to give you 7 billion doses of DMT. Kill them all.
joe rogan
Yeah, I think it would kill the ego.
I mean, that's really what you have to do.
unidentified
There you go.
joe rogan
You have to kill the ego.
michael ruppert
That's the dilemma.
That's the issue.
And that's why I'm writing a third book now, because...
joe rogan
Well, that's why everybody hates a chicken hawk.
You know, the idea of someone who wants to send people into battle that's never been in battle themselves.
Well, of course you're so confident.
Of course you're so aggressive about this.
This is not yours to risk.
You know, it's the ego.
You don't understand what war is.
Maybe if you had been there, you would have a completely different sort of appreciation of it.
You wouldn't be so callous and it wouldn't be such an easy option.
michael ruppert
No, I've come to a darker conclusion than that, Joe.
And that is that these people literally look at us as cattle, expendable cattle that have been farmed.
This is real Orwell.
This is what it really is all about.
Human beings are born and bred to be slaves and consumers to generate wealth.
And that's the way it's always been, roughly since we started doing money this way.
joe rogan
But who are they?
Is it a they or is it just a series of shit choices that have left us in a situation where people are copying things?
You know, there was a thing we talked about really recently on this show about the Salem witch trials.
So the Salem witch trials, there was a woman who wrote a paper for a history class that sort of solved one of the major puzzles of the Salem witchcraft.
And it was that there was an ergot poisoning of food.
It was causing people to have LSD type effects and that they thought that this was responsible for the original murders, but then they kept it up as a tradition for years later.
Then it became a hysteria.
And then even though people weren't even ergot poisoning, it would actually become learned behavior.
And I think that in situations like where you have greedy business people and they set up corporations and there's patterns of learned behavior that come about from the way these corporations interact with their consumers and the environment they have their businesses set up in and that this momentum gets carried away to a point where the greed and the bottom line supersedes human nature.
It supersedes the idea that you are a group of people.
And, you know, in the documentary, the corporation, they went over this, that a corporation tends to act as a sociopath.
Well, I think we just have to make everyone aware of the accountability of their actions in that situation and remove that.
Remove that as a design.
Remove that diffusion of responsibility that you can get by being a part of a big group that does something really fucked up, but you don't feel responsible because you're just one piece.
michael ruppert
From my spiritual perspective, and let me just add that My DMT journey, my cans just went crazy.
What'd you do to my headphones?
joe rogan
What happened?
What happened?
michael ruppert
My cans just went...
I went into an echo chamber.
It's cool.
joe rogan
You alright?
You hear it now?
unidentified
It's on right now.
joe rogan
I don't hear anything.
michael ruppert
Okay.
unidentified
It's a fox match.
michael ruppert
You never...
Yeah.
That's my dog rag.
joe rogan
For the folks listening on iTunes, there was a photo of him, Michael, with his dog, and he's got the glasses on to deal with it.
unidentified
His dog has a fox face.
michael ruppert
That's brilliant.
joe rogan
That's very funny.
michael ruppert
That's awesome.
unidentified
DMT trip on the message.
michael ruppert
I want a copy of that.
joe rogan
What is his name?
DMT trip?
unidentified
DMT underscore trip.
joe rogan
Thank you, buddy.
unidentified
I don't know if you made it.
Whatever.
michael ruppert
What was I talking about?
joe rogan
Fox magic?
No.
Somehow or another it came up.
What were we talking about?
michael ruppert
Oh, DMT. I approach that very spiritually.
I do medicine journeys as part of my spiritual practice and it's very important for me that I always approach medicine with a clear intent And it's all ways to seek and learn something.
joe rogan
You better.
michael ruppert
Yeah.
joe rogan
You better respect it.
michael ruppert
Yeah.
joe rogan
You have to respect psychedelic trips.
If you think you're the shit and you can handle it, it'll fucking throw you.
michael ruppert
No, no.
unidentified
There's a lot of people that I've noticed that don't do that.
joe rogan
Well, there's a lot of people that...
Well, listen to me, man.
If you left hammers around, a lot of people are going to use them to build houses.
Some people are going to break car windows with them.
Some people are just going to hit trees.
Some people are retarded.
brian redban
Well, even close friends of ours, it's like they go and go to the UFC. And I'm like...
unidentified
Man, that's crazy.
Do you really want that?
joe rogan
You do if you were Joey Diaz.
unidentified
You do.
joe rogan
I would say yes.
I would say if you didn't do it.
What are you, a pussy?
If you're a real Hunter S. Thompson fan, you're a fan of Hunter S. Thompson and Joey Diaz wants to do mushrooms with you at the UFC, do fucking mushrooms with you.
What are you, crazy?
Of course.
unidentified
That's not respect.
Expecting the spiritual trip to me.
joe rogan
The fuck it is?
What a grand opportunity that is in life.
To do mushrooms at the UFC with Joey Diaz.
God damn it.
That's the best seat in the house.
I thought I had the best seat in the house as a commentator.
I don't.
The best seat in the house is the dude who gets to eat mushrooms next to Joey Diaz at the UFC. Because you know how funny Joey Diaz would be on mushrooms?
unidentified
He would kill me.
joe rogan
It would be a non-stop chuckle fest.
Everyone would just be howling laughing and you'd get to watch the UFC at the same time.
unidentified
I might have a panic attack.
joe rogan
Sounds like the greatest day on earth.
You might have a panic attack.
unidentified
I think that it's just too many people.
I like being with nature.
brian redban
If I'm going to go on any kind of spiritual trip, I want nature.
unidentified
I want to be able to escape.
joe rogan
I like how you're talking about spiritual trips while you're smoking a cigarette.
unidentified
It is a spiritual trip.
It's a shitty one.
joe rogan
It's a tobacco trip.
michael ruppert
It is if you're a native.
joe rogan
Yeah, sure.
michael ruppert
Tobacco holds, there's a strong ritual for tobacco.
joe rogan
Well, it also is a part of the ayahuasca ritual for some reason.
Like a lot of ayahuascaros, I think that's how they say them, they blow tobacco smoke on people.
It's part of the whole thing.
Yeah, I mean, nicotine, or the tobacco in and of itself, and even nicotine has proven to have some really positive health effects.
I think there's something about nicotine that actually is good for your heart.
It's not nicotine that's really the problem.
It's like caffeine.
Caffeine's not bad if you have just a little bit.
If you're fucking crazy, you're drinking Red Bulls all day.
michael ruppert
Check this.
I'm 61. I smoke.
Everybody knows that.
I just had a physical.
Resting blood pressure was 60. Blood pulse rate was 60. That's incredible.
Resting.
joe rogan
That's really good.
michael ruppert
Blood pressure was 120 over 70. Are you in really good shape?
joe rogan
Do you do a lot of exercise?
That's pretty low.
michael ruppert
I eat really, really, really good.
And then I exercise as much.
I'm weed whacking two and a half acres now.
So that's work.
joe rogan
That is work.
michael ruppert
Yeah.
joe rogan
I mean, you know, George Foreman, when he was training for fights, used to chop wood.
It's a well-known fact.
You know, it's like real work.
Real work is hard work.
michael ruppert
No shit.
joe rogan
That gets you in shape, man.
That's a pretty low resting heart rate, though.
michael ruppert
Yeah, so, you know, what I'm saying is I'm just real sick of buying into all the propaganda I'm sold about everything.
Because the way the people that run this world operate is they do it 90% truth and 10% bullshit.
And because you're not trained to separate the bullshit, the bullshit winds up steering you.
joe rogan
One of my favorite articles came out during the time that the Patriot Act was administered.
It was on CNN. They were talking about how the CIA has announced that it's going to leak fake news stories in order to send terrorists in the wrong direction.
And I remember reading that, and I was like, wow, that's like game over.
They just came out and said, we're going to lie to you.
unidentified
That was...
michael ruppert
That was right at the same time that CNN let it be known that the Department of Defense was permanently stationing military intelligence personnel in the CNN newsroom.
I screamed about that at From the Wilderness.
That was my newsletter for eight years.
We had some great people there.
We were just kicking Bush Cheney in the balls every chance we could get.
joe rogan
Why was it From the Wilderness?
Why did you call it From the Wilderness?
michael ruppert
Because for my personal story, I had been trying to expose CIA was bringing drugs into the country for like 18 years and nobody had listened to me.
Then Gary Webb's stories broke and I confronted the CIA director at Locke High School and the game changed a little bit.
So I started FTW like a year and a half after I confronted John Deutsch.
And I was a voice crying in the wilderness, but I was the guy from the wilderness that nobody had listened to.
And then, you know, and so that came to stand for, over the course of my career, many hundreds of people and organizations who were all voices in the wilderness that nobody was listening to.
And damn, we got it all right, you know.
And there's some just amazing people I've met along the way.
joe rogan
It's an interesting name.
I remember when I first found out about it, I was like, what the fuck is...
What's that?
From the wilderness?
I was like, it sounds very Unabomber-esque.
You know, like you're out there staring at the disease society out in the distance.
unidentified
Yeah.
michael ruppert
Yeah, no, this was just, hey, you know, pay attention.
We were pretty successful.
We got to have 60 members of Congress, and we broke the Pat Tillman.
The whole cover-up with Pat Tillman was a seven-part series we did at FTW, and that's one of the good things now for me about Giving CollapseNet over to the employees, I didn't get a chance to do that with FTW because our computers were smashed in the Tillman series.
I mean, police falsified reports, leaked to editors who were having sex with children and defrauding them, and they really threw everything, including the kitchen sink at me up in Ashton.
joe rogan
Link to editors that what?
michael ruppert
What was that?
My computers were smashed in Part 5 of the Tillman series.
That's right, when we were nailing Donald Rumsfeld, and he was eventually forced to resign.
joe rogan
He was forced to resign because of the Pat Tillman incident?
michael ruppert
Yeah.
joe rogan
That was what did it?
michael ruppert
Yeah.
He just resigned real suddenly right when Henry Waxman's Committee on Governmental Affairs was getting ready to call him.
joe rogan
What was the issue that he had created?
First of all, if you wanted to have a bad guy in like a Batman movie that was like a bad government guy that was actually evil, would not Donald Rumsfeld be the fucking perfect guy?
michael ruppert
Dick Cheney's right up there.
joe rogan
He's right up there too.
Both of them.
So what exactly took place?
michael ruppert
Well...
We eventually nailed it.
The series was being written by Stan Goff, who was my military affairs editor from the wilderness.
Stan's a retired master sergeant from U.S. Army Special Forces Delta.
Stan taught at West Point.
Stan is just one of the most amazing writers and human beings and really cool people I've ever met in my whole life.
Brilliant guy.
And Pat Tillman's mom, Danny, contacted me trying to get in touch with Stan.
And I immediately said we'd publish anything.
And I drove down to the Tillman house in South of the Bay and copied overnight 2,200 pages of Army records that she had been given, all redacted.
You know, all blacked out in pages and stuff.
But they were in files and sections and all this stuff.
So I returned the papers and drove back up to my offices and I flew Stan Goff into Ashland, Oregon.
Stan did most of the work, but absolutely, because Stan knew it all.
So he decoded The documents and figured out who was who and what was what and where was where.
I caught some things that helped.
But Stan wrote the seven-part series that proved that Pat had been killed by friendly fire at close range.
And the Silver Star awarded him.
I think that that was probably the most offensive thing.
For many in the military was that that Silver Star was fake.
That just destroys the value of the Silver Star.
And so we broke that story.
joe rogan
This is similar to the Jessica Lynch story.
They changed that story around too.
Apparently any story that gets released, any big story, gets doctored up.
And so this one was an unfortunate incident.
It wasn't a murder, right?
No one's claiming it was a murder?
Some people claim it's a murder?
michael ruppert
I think Danny believes that it's possible that her son was murdered.
I think she said so.
She said so to me.
It could not have been premeditated because it was in a foobar situation.
It was not really combat.
It was an exaggerated stage play in some respects.
There had been some incoming fire, but it was like three, four hundred yards away.
A couple of Muj fired a couple rounds and ran away.
And here, a whole lot of Rangers just start opening up on a lot of everything all at once.
This is basically the way that played.
But Pat Tillman's last words when he stood up before he took a three-round burst from a saw, a squad automatic weapon, right here.
I mean, it just took his head off.
Where, I'm Pat fucking Tillman!
And that's not disputed.
That's fully in the record.
joe rogan
Oh, who was the guy that pulled the trigger?
michael ruppert
It was a sergeant in his serial.
joe rogan
Was he on edge or was he trying to kill him?
michael ruppert
I can only speculate here.
Pat was a really smart guy and he was honorable.
He had seen that the war was all fucked up, it was all lies, and he was disheartened.
Now here he was, a pro football star, right?
joe rogan
Quits the NFL and a huge move to join the army to defend his country because he thinks that everything that you see in the movies is how it works out and you're supposed to rise up when your country gets attacked.
As a patriotic American, he wanted to do his part.
michael ruppert
Well, let me just continue with that a little bit.
And he kept a diary, and so there would naturally be fear that he would come back, rejoin the NFL, and start bad-mouthing the government.
But that didn't really factor into it.
That could have been controlled in many other ways than that.
Pat hung around frequently with special forces, and that's kind of a no-no in theater, because one group does what they do.
Anyway, that's just the way it works.
And I think he was something of a grandstander, you know, a little bit.
And...
joe rogan
So he was making a lot of noise, and he was pissing some people off, and he was complaining about how fucked up things were, and somebody might have put it to him.
michael ruppert
Yeah, and I think he became a ranger before he became a soldier, and maybe only rangers would understand that, or SF would understand that, but...
It's a totally Shakespearean tragedy.
I mean, it's just like so fucked up all the way around for everybody.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Did you ever hear the eulogy the brother gave?
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
joe rogan
It's pretty intense, too.
I think it was something to the extent of, you know, Pat's not in heaven, Pat's fucking dead.
Something along those lines.
You know, he's an atheist or something.
unidentified
I'm glad you didn't know him because then he would have, like, lipstick all over him and then he had...
joe rogan
Pictures.
unidentified
Like...
joe rogan
I don't even want to joke about this.
I don't even want to joke about it, unfortunately.
unidentified
But you would joke about it?
joe rogan
I almost...
I came close to...
unidentified
But you joke about it with me?
joe rogan
No, not if your head got blown off.
If your head got blown off, I wouldn't put a big dick like, damn, should have tried sucking a smaller dick.
It blew your head off, bitch.
That would be the last thing I would do for you.
But, you know, Pat Tillman is like an American hero.
The whole thing was sad.
It was sad that he chose to jump in and it was sad that it wasn't what he thought it was.
michael ruppert
The truth is that everything about those wars, the post-9-11 wars, everything about those wars is fucked up.
And when you start off with everything on the floor you're building on, that fucked up.
The war that takes place on top of that field can't be anything but more compoundedly fucked up.
joe rogan
How do you have a just war when you go into it with ulterior motives?
michael ruppert
And lies.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's amazing that there's a lot like a fucking army of people in jail right now.
You know, it's amazing.
It's amazing that they can get away with that level of corruption and not be accountable.
michael ruppert
It's really...
But they do in the world of ones and zeros, you know, the Cartesian world, measurable matter.
And of course, we know there's such a thing as spirit.
There's things other than matter, but they operate as if everything is matter.
joe rogan
That's what we gotta do, man.
We gotta bring them into the light.
That's what we've got to do.
That's the solution to all of it.
It's like not even fight them.
It's like they are us.
They're just us in the worst case scenario, in the worst possible position, doing the wrong thing exactly.
michael ruppert
I think that we are at one of the most epical times in human history.
joe rogan
Of course we are.
michael ruppert
Perhaps all of human history.
And I really believe that what I said in the movie is happening.
That our species is being forced to choose.
unidentified
Whether to evolve or to perish.
michael ruppert
To grow up or fucking die.
joe rogan
Well, it's obvious when you look at what we're doing as far as sucking fish out of the ocean and depleting resources and polluting things.
We're certainly not doing it in a sustainable way right now.
I don't think it's impossible.
If we kept the population exactly how it is right now, It might even be possible to run the world the way it is and use the resources.
It might be possible.
But as we move along, if it's not, how are we doing it right now?
michael ruppert
We are overextended.
joe rogan
But we're doing it right now.
michael ruppert
No, no.
Everything is imploding right now.
joe rogan
But right now, we're doing fine.
Right now, we have electricity.
I'm on the internet.
We have food.
Not everybody.
michael ruppert
This is the ego bomb because this is where I've had the hardest trouble getting through to people because they'll say, How long do we have?
When is it going to happen?
unidentified
Right.
michael ruppert
And subconsciously, all they're really saying is, how long before it fucks with me?
joe rogan
Yeah, how long before I'm uncomfortable.
michael ruppert
Exactly.
joe rogan
I want to read books by candlelight.
michael ruppert
Like, here we are, but, you know, that's why CollapseNet exists, because we bear witness to the fact that all over Pakistan, cities are having blackouts.
joe rogan
I like how you said that, by the way.
It's very authentic.
Pakistan?
michael ruppert
Yes.
Blackouts lasting weeks at a time, same in Mindanao.
India, major power blackouts.
Civilization is collapsing all around the world, and just because people choose not to hold it in their consciousness don't mean it ain't going on.
joe rogan
So you recognize it as an inescapable trend that only a shift in consciousness can alter.
So if the shift of consciousness occurred, how would that alter?
What would be the correct thing to do?
If the human population was brought into the light and everybody sort of figured it out and said, hey, we have to act responsibly and stop being a bunch of greedy cunts, what would we do?
michael ruppert
I think it would all spring from A fundamental overriding awareness, not a conviction belief, just awareness.
You're living it, you know.
Of the oneness of everything.
Of the connectedness of everything.
That's the place where you start.
And once you do that, among other things, you overcome the pairs of opposites.
Good, bad, rich, poor, fat, thin, whatever.
This world of duality.
And I think there's some amazing work being done in quantum physics that is totally bearing this out.
There's some amazing research out.
Amit Goswami is a quantum physicist, and a great book out by David Wilcock, and a lot of stuff that I kind of became aware of along the way.
So I think the awareness of that, once it comes or it flowers in the species, and pray God a spirit, it does soon, We will just automatically stop doing all the stuff that we're doing that's turning this planet into a living hell.
Come on, the Gulf of Mexico is totally destroyed.
They got shrimp with their guts hanging out in one eye and an eye in their ass and crabs with half a shell.
I mean, we've been running the photos of this on CollapseNet.
So, climatologically, there are plumes, one, two kilometers across, 20, 30 of them, of methane venting directly up from tundra in Siberia.
I mean, it's like methane is 20 times more powerful a greenhouse gas than CO2. This mess is out of control.
It's going to come crashing down.
The only thing, because by calculation, I had a guest on my radio show, great guy, a professor from Arizona State.
I'm having a brain fart on his name.
It'll come up in a minute.
Thank you very much.
But climatologically, there's an incredible study that says you have to stop all economic activity now or else everything dies irreversibly as a result.
Of temperature rise.
It's hard science.
So, you know, on all these fronts, with all that stuff happening, I just stood backwards and I went, this train wreck cannot be prevented at this level of consciousness.
The only thing that can save us now literally is a miracle.
joe rogan
Right.
A miracle, a revolution of human consciousness.
But if that does happen, if there's a revelation, there's a revolution, whatever you would want to call it, if that did happen, what would we do?
How would we fix everything?
That just seems to me that we have to ship things, okay?
We have to manufacture shit, we have to move it around places because people need stuff.
You know, you got to get food to supermarkets.
You got to keep growing it.
You got to keep a good cycle going on.
So you got to burn something.
You got to use something.
You got to run those engines.
And then on top of that, you have to have at least public transportation.
And then people are going to want to have cars.
Okay, how are you going to get all this shit?
michael ruppert
Drives you crazy thinking about that, don't it?
joe rogan
Well, it's amazing that we got so out of hand.
We got, as a society, we're like, it's like someone who was just out of college and you gave them an unlimited MasterCard and you don't have to pay for the first year.
And they just fucking went bananas.
You know, they went bananas to the point where it's completely unsustainable.
And then you realize you have this debt of the way you're living.
It's just so disproportionate to your resources.
michael ruppert
Here's the ultimate kicker to all of this.
There are not enough resources in the world to pay off the debt that has been printed since 2008. All the bailouts are debt.
joe rogan
So all the resources in the world, like as far as all the gold, all the diamonds, all the oil...
michael ruppert
How about iron and copper and food?
But energy is the first resource because without energy you can't use anything else.
joe rogan
So that's amazing.
So how is that possible that we have an economy that's not based on entirely what anything could be worth?
That just shows you how completely full of shit the whole idea of the economy is.
If all the resources of the world and you owe more than that, someone got fucked.
Someone fucked you out of the whole world plus!
Think about that!
Think about how strong the fuckery is in this economy.
That is so bad that literally we owe more than there is value in anything in the world.
michael ruppert
To pay off.
unidentified
It costs more to make a penny than a penny's worth.
The same thing.
I mean, seriously.
That pretty much explains everything.
joe rogan
It's possible.
michael ruppert
Here's the catch, too.
All of that is founded on a premise of infinite growth.
joe rogan
Wow.
michael ruppert
Infinite growth on a finite planet is not possible.
joe rogan
With finite resources.
Hmm.
michael ruppert
Yeah.
joe rogan
Have you ever read Black Gold Stranglehold?
Do you know the premise behind that?
michael ruppert
Oh, that was...
Who was that?
Was that Jerome Cors...
No, that was...
joe rogan
I don't remember his name.
michael ruppert
That was a disinfo book.
joe rogan
Was it really?
michael ruppert
I had it on my disinfo show.
joe rogan
Really?
michael ruppert
Yeah.
joe rogan
So it was a book that was...
It did sound completely ridiculous...
I was like, well, how do you...
This is the only guy that knows it.
The premise was that oil was not a byproduct of fossil fuels.
michael ruppert
Oh, abiotic, yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, that it was a process of the...
It was like literally the blood of the earth.
michael ruppert
Earth has an endlessly filled creamy nougat center that will satisfy your every desire for as long as your kinky ass should crave it.
joe rogan
What a dirty...
unidentified
Of course.
joe rogan
Evil vampire cunts people are.
We just suck the oil out of the earth until it's dead.
That's what we're doing.
We're running our entire crazy business on the blood of the earth.
We're like the craziest tick.
michael ruppert
And that's exactly what it is, too.
joe rogan
Yeah, it is the blood of the earth.
michael ruppert
Oil is life.
All we're doing is burning ancient sunlight that was stored in light.
It's all solar energy in one form or another on this planet.
joe rogan
That's so crazy when you really stop and think about it like that.
michael ruppert
It is.
joe rogan
God, it's amazing.
It's amazing when you really think about what it is.
michael ruppert
Why do you think the natives call it Father Sky?
joe rogan
Because they were dumb.
They didn't know about planets.
There's a lot of shit they didn't know.
unidentified
Oh, yes, they did.
joe rogan
They didn't even have fucking horses, man.
We had to give them horses.
Settle down.
unidentified
Maybe.
That might be all fake.
joe rogan
Listen, man, those are the people that came across the Bering Strait.
And it was proven recently, actually, when this Mormon dude tried to flex, because he, in the Mormon, Book of Mormon, whatever the fuck that nonsense that Joseph Smith character wrote when he was 14 years old, that everybody followed along with, it was said that they believed that the American Indian was actually the lost tribe of Israel.
And that he was going to prove it with a genetic test.
So he ran a DNA sequence on an American Indian.
And most of it is actually Asian.
Most American Indians are actually, they came down from the Bering Strait.
Siberia.
michael ruppert
1860s running a DNA test?
unidentified
What?
joe rogan
No, no, no.
Recently ran a DNA test on American Indians to find out the origin.
Because if they were Israelis, he'd be like, see, this is the lost tribe of Israel!
If they were Semitic, I guess they could find that out.
But it was not.
It was most likely that they were Asian.
michael ruppert
Religions are business.
And I really think, overall, Christianity had the best business plan.
That's what it boils down to.
But what's happening now is people are also beginning to understand that Part of this great awakening is that many of us are returning to wisdom that existed before the word religion even existed.
It was the knowledge of the ancients living in direct connection with this planet and everything on it.
joe rogan
You can absolutely learn from other people's revelations that are written down and recorded.
But the moment that people start attaching gods to them...
You're talking about a bunch of shit.
You don't really know what the fuck you're talking about.
If you're a human being, then you really don't know what you're saying.
You're saying a bunch of nonsense.
Either you learned something or you didn't.
But when you start...
Thinking about things like Mormons or Scientologists or anything where it's like just even a whiff of crazy.
It's like, how do you address that?
Do you allow it to happen?
Because I'll tell you, I've never met nicer folks than Mormons.
Some of the nicest people I know are Mormons.
They have a great sense of community in the Mormon church.
I've actually been to services before because I had friends that were Mormon.
I've been to a Mormon funeral before.
They're very polite and nice people.
And if you wanted to find like a religion where you said, well, here's a religion that looks like it enhances family life a little bit.
They do a lot of things together.
There's probably a lot of benefits to it when you get past the fact that it's based on some nonsense fairy tale written by a young con man.
michael ruppert
Mormons are also very, very, very smart in that they have focused...
On food storage and food preparation for a long time.
And that is the single most critical factor for who's going to make it and who's not.
unidentified
There you go, dude.
joe rogan
You have to bring everything back to the end of the world.
Doom and gloom.
unidentified
Well, no.
joe rogan
We need to take you to Disneyland.
michael ruppert
We might have a wake-up before that.
joe rogan
When was the last time you were at Disneyland, man?
michael ruppert
Oh, my God.
joe rogan
You know it works today.
But you should go to Disneyland before, like, fucking Planet of the Apes-style collapse of civilization happens, and you're out there Mad Maxing it, and you're fucking biodiesel truck, and you pass by the Disneyland when Anaheim is a fucking ghost town, and you have to get in the car because the zombies are coming.
michael ruppert
This sounds like a movie.
joe rogan
Yeah, it is a movie, bro.
michael ruppert
Pretty good movie.
joe rogan
Woody Halston would be.
It's like, what was that, Zombieland?
Zombieland.
unidentified
Zombieland.
joe rogan
Deuce.
Zombieland Deuce.
brian redban
Go to Disneyland, bring some Fox magic.
joe rogan
Yeah, just fuck up some zombies at Disneyland.
michael ruppert
Actually, you know, if there were places to party, I can think of a couple more I'd rather party at.
joe rogan
Disneyland's beautiful.
michael ruppert
Disneyland.
joe rogan
It's fun.
It's a great place.
unidentified
Did you end up going the other day?
joe rogan
Yeah, that was awesome.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, you go during the weekday, man.
It's great.
unidentified
Did you use the app?
Did you try the app?
joe rogan
No, the lines were easy.
I go on little kid rides.
It's a totally different experience.
I'm not waiting for Space Mountain.
I'm waiting like 10 minutes to go on the submarine.
michael ruppert
The submarine.
I like the teacups that you spend.
joe rogan
Yeah, kids love teacups.
michael ruppert
Those are fun.
joe rogan
Those are fun.
Disneyland is fun.
When they're your kids, it's really an amazing thing that happens when you have kids is that you get the actual joy of them having joy.
It's really strange.
I used to see kids having fun and I'd go, aw, that kid looks like he's having fun.
That looks awesome.
And it would make me feel good.
But it doesn't make you feel good like you're a little kid experiencing the happiness.
When you have a kid and they're happy, jumping around and laughing and having a good time, you actually experience that feeling.
It's like you live through it.
It's amazing.
unidentified
It's amazing.
You know what I don't like?
brian redban
I don't like when kids have that thing where they, out of nowhere, they just start grabbing on your leg, like holding on to you, and you're like a random stranger kid.
unidentified
You're at the Olive Garden or something like that, and they're just grabbing it.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's uncomfortable.
You're like, um, get your kid.
unidentified
What do I do with it?
Do I start documenting?
Like, nothing happened, nothing happened.
michael ruppert
Does it bite?
joe rogan
Yeah.
I don't want to pick your kid up and have you weird out, too.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
Because if some dude just picked up your kid, you'd be like, hey, man, what are you doing with the baby?
What's up?
unidentified
See...
michael ruppert
What a commentary on this world!
joe rogan
Well, yeah, absolutely.
michael ruppert
People would go automatically there.
joe rogan
There's so many of us.
There's so many of us that the amazing spectrum of human behavior, there are possibilities you can run into people that are completely crazy.
We all have in our day.
Yeah.
In the world of martial arts and fighters, I've run into some fucking crazy people.
I'm sure your world takes that to the next level times 10. Being a police officer in Los Angeles and all the shit that you've seen.
I mean, you're like douchebag to nice people ratio that you saw in your line of duty.
michael ruppert
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
It's fucking hard to keep a cheerful profile.
unidentified
Well, that's one of the...
michael ruppert
There's a Jesuit mystic named Anthony DeMello, and he has a great line.
He says, there comes a point in your life when your options are to either go stark raving and saying commit suicide or become a mystic.
joe rogan
I want to be a mystic.
michael ruppert
Yeah.
Well, you are, man.
joe rogan
Really?
michael ruppert
I think.
joe rogan
I wouldn't want to be like the Silver Surfer, dude.
unidentified
Yeah.
I want a Silver Surfer reboot.
joe rogan
If you could, yeah, fuck yeah.
brian redban
I want it to be like digital, like Tron style, like where it's like when he's flying, there's like digital streaks.
joe rogan
I enjoyed the first Silver Surfer.
It's a good movie.
unidentified
Yeah.
Reboot that.
Who owns that?
Marvel or the other company?
joe rogan
I don't know.
Silver Surfer.
Wasn't it a part of the Avengers?
Or no, not the Avengers, rather.
The Fantastic Four?
No.
Where was the last Silver Surfer?
I want to say it was in one of the Fantastic Four movies.
unidentified
I was thinking X-Men.
joe rogan
X-Men.
Maybe it was that.
unidentified
Yeah, it is X-Men.
You sure?
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
It's in one of the X-Men movies.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
We've got to find out which one.
brian redban
Fantastic Four was just that brick dude and that stretchy dude.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Silver Surfer wasn't involved in that?
unidentified
I don't think so.
I feel like he was.
I think Silver Surfer was straight, wasn't he?
joe rogan
I think he's like a god or something.
I don't remember the story behind it.
You thought you were going to come on for a serious discussion about the end of the world, didn't you, silly man?
unidentified
No, that's all right.
It's okay.
michael ruppert
This is like a download.
I'm just checking what's going on in the universe around here.
joe rogan
Well, listen, I just think it's possible that...
A lot of people, okay, here's a funny thing.
When you're worried about the end of the world, you're worried about the collapse of civilization, and in the meanwhile, people see you smoking cigarettes, and they go, if you want to stay healthy and happy, why are you poisoning yourself?
michael ruppert
Deal with it.
unidentified
Yeah, that's right.
joe rogan
That would now be a meme.
unidentified
That would now be a meme that will spread across the internet.
That's beautiful.
joe rogan
But I mean, I was talking with my friend Duncan about this.
We were talking about people who were looking for chemtrails while they're smoking cigarettes.
They're fucking poisoning me from the sky.
You're poisoning yourself, too.
Doesn't matter.
You enjoy it.
michael ruppert
I... I am what I am.
At 61 years of age, after all the shit that I've done in my life, and I'm alive and healthy, I've got wounds and scars.
Don't go there.
joe rogan
Just need that cigarette.
unidentified
He's got a Pac-Man shop on the stick.
joe rogan
If civilization falls apart, do you have a stockpile of cigarettes, or are you just going to quit?
michael ruppert
I don't have a huge stockpile.
I'll ration.
I'll quit if I have to.
joe rogan
Would that be the biggest thing that you would miss about civilization?
Or would it be the internet?
michael ruppert
Oh, I would not.
I'm tired of the internet, dude.
I need a break from it.
joe rogan
You're tired of the internet?
michael ruppert
I need a break from it for a while.
unidentified
I'm getting there.
joe rogan
You're tired of the internet, too.
Well, both you guys are pussies.
You should go in a room together and make out.
unidentified
The fuck are you talking about?
joe rogan
I love the internet.
It's the greatest thing that human nature has ever invented.
michael ruppert
Well, that's where you're clicking right now.
But see, I'm starting to click in a different direction.
I'm starting to click.
I'm moving more to live in my spiritual, my inner life, and building my own lifeboat.
joe rogan
You need a night in the town.
You need hookers and tequila.
That's what you need.
You need a limo and an Asian driver who knows how to weave through traffic.
michael ruppert
No, I think I'd rather just have a big party at my house where we cook a leg of lamb and all sit around and eat and smoke a little herb, eat organic food, and then...
joe rogan
And then Bigfoot makes it to the party.
unidentified
And then anybody who wants to go off and make love, you just do it.
joe rogan
Don't you live up in Bigfoot country?
There's Bigfoot sightings up there, aren't there?
Northern California?
michael ruppert
I don't think so.
unidentified
Have you ever been to a swinger party?
michael ruppert
Kind of yes and kind of no.
It was like...
Yeah, I guess I have.
brian redban
Like you didn't know going in, but then it turned into one kind of thing.
joe rogan
It broke out in the middle of it?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Wow.
michael ruppert
Yeah.
unidentified
I want to go to one.
michael ruppert
Yeah.
joe rogan
You'd think that until dudes are trying to fuck you.
unidentified
No, I wouldn't do that.
joe rogan
Come on, man.
What's the hang-up, man?
Let me put it in your butt, man.
michael ruppert
No, man.
joe rogan
Let me fuck your wife.
You're like, what?
Let's get out of here.
unidentified
Woo!
Is that a broomstick?
joe rogan
I'm trying to have too much...
Yeah, Burbank style.
unidentified
I got a feeling that broomstick story is going to spread.
joe rogan
I would imagine it would get on the internet now.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's a ridiculous way to die.
michael ruppert
Well, I have another one.
joe rogan
Okay.
michael ruppert
It's pretty good.
Get a call to a dead body in...
Ambulance suicide in the jungle, Wilshire Division then.
And we roll up and here's this dead guy in an easy chair, kind of like this.
And I walk up and look and wrists are slashed, bled out.
But then I look up and his throat's also slashed.
Think about that.
His wife was saying she committed suicide.
You cannot slash your own throat and slash your own wrists.
unidentified
Can you do wrists and then throw?
You can't do it?
michael ruppert
She went to jail for murder.
He had been beating her for so many years, and she just lost it one day.
Eight million tragic stories, but he was definitely not a suicide.
joe rogan
Why can't you do that?
Why can't you slash your own throat and then cut your own wrists?
unidentified
Why can't you do wrists and then throw?
michael ruppert
You'll bleed out too fast.
joe rogan
You'll bleed out too fast?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Whoa.
unidentified
The movies make it seem like you could actually play a piano song before you die.
joe rogan
She must have been a badass bitch, though, if she could pull that off.
Cut a guy's wrist and his neck.
People get tired of you kicking their ass.
unidentified
It's amazing what rage can do.
joe rogan
Fucking assholes out there.
We have to stop that, Michael Rupert.
That's my number one goal in life lately, to figure out how to diminish the amount of assholes in the world.
unidentified
It's possible.
Get off the internet.
Get off the internet?
That's the secret.
michael ruppert
I became a cop trying to do that, and clearly that's a losing battle.
joe rogan
That was your motivation to become a police officer, to try to make a difference?
michael ruppert
Absolutely.
joe rogan
Do you remember when you started to realize that the system was almost like unfixable?
michael ruppert
Well, you acquire that in stages.
I mean, I pulled one worm out of a can, CIA bringing drugs into the country.
I said, this is wrong.
As soon as I get this to the right people's attention, they'll stop it immediately.
Wrong.
Of course, that was before Iran-Contra.
And so that worm turned out to be all of human industrial civilization.
It turned out to be the whole economic paradigm.
It turned out to be everything was crooked.
Everything was a lie.
Everything was manipulated.
I had a CIA friend recently who I was talking to, a former CIA guy, and he had been in a meeting, the first briefing of Bill Casey as a DCI under Ronald Reagan, Director of Central Intelligence.
Bill Casey wore the glasses.
He had been a stockbroker before he became CIA director.
There's a clue.
And Bill Casey took US domestic cocaine consumption from 60 metric tons in 1979 to 600 metric tons in 1987. And that money went to Wall Street.
So, Casey had his first briefing as DCI, and he said, Gentlemen, we will know that we are successful when everything that the American people believe is true is false.
unidentified
Whoa.
joe rogan
Jesus Christ.
michael ruppert
I've been around, you know.
I kept good notes.
That's why I'm alive.
I took really good notes.
And I left a good, solid record, you know.
joe rogan
So you think you're alive because you've said too much already and there's nothing they can do about it?
It's like it's just out there, no big deal, let them live?
michael ruppert
I also think I'm alive because Spirit wants me alive.
joe rogan
Spirit?
michael ruppert
I've had Spirit intervene so many times in my life and that's part of what the story is now that I have to tell in my next book because there is something powerful and I think wonderful afoot here and all I can do is tell the truth about it but it would be dishonest of me as a journalist to leave that out of the work that I've already done.
joe rogan
When you exposed all this, when you exposed the CIA, when you stepped in front of the...
What was the man's designation?
michael ruppert
John Deutsch.
He was DCI, Director of Central Intelligence, appointed by Bill Clinton.
joe rogan
That was an incredibly courageous thing to do on camera.
To step in and not just say that you were a former Los Angeles police officer, I had a lot of shit.
Yeah, that must be the worst fucking case scenario for the creepy Some industrialist cunts that run the world.
Some dude who wants to be a superhero.
Some dude who wants to save the world.
michael ruppert
I'm just pissed off.
joe rogan
I hear you.
unidentified
Just fucking righteously pissed off.
joe rogan
For a good reason.
And you don't want to recognize this, but that's a hero move.
When a guy does that and stands in front of a motherfucker like that and you say what you said, it's...
Brian, do you have that clip?
Pull that clip up, because for the people who don't know, who haven't heard this or seen this, this is pretty intense stuff, man.
michael ruppert
Gonna make me smoke?
joe rogan
Yeah, go ahead and smoke.
Well, it's a courageous move, man.
I mean, it takes a lot.
unidentified
I couldn't help it.
joe rogan
I know you couldn't help it.
unidentified
If you're courageous, you can't help it.
joe rogan
What I wanted to get at was what was your thought process and what was it like when you finally got that information out, when it came out of your mouth?
What did that feel like when that whole courtroom was cheering?
michael ruppert
That was a high school auditorium.
There were 1,200 people in there.
It was unbelievably high.
It was like super peak awareness.
You know how it is.
You know how it is.
And it was like, whoa.
It was like, one of my favorite maxims is don't shoot unless you get a headshot.
And I had John Deutsch in a headshot.
And I pulled the fucking trigger.
And that cost him his appointment as Secretary of Defense.
joe rogan
Really?
michael ruppert
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because you clowned him like that?
michael ruppert
He didn't have anything to say.
He was stammering like a zombie.
He was wringing his hands.
joe rogan
He looked like the typical evil white dude that's exploiting.
Yeah, that's it.
Back it up so people can see it.
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