May 14, 2012 - The Joe Rogan Experience
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Nope. | |
| Hmm. | ||
| All right. | ||
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| Alright, you... | ||
| Dirty bitches. | ||
| Chell Sonnen is here. | ||
| We're gonna get down to business. | ||
| We got a goddamn American hero here, folks. | ||
| How about some respect? | ||
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The Joe Rogan Experience. | |
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All day. | |
| You fucked up Rory's voice though, man. | ||
| All respect to Rory McDonald. | ||
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We need to get a better copy of that recording. | |
| Yeah, we can get one. | ||
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I'll get one from the UFC. UFC pulled all the YouTube videos down within minutes. | |
| Oh, did they really? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Well, ladies and gentlemen, what is your new book called? | ||
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It's your word. | |
| You go, listen, man, this isn't working, and they refund it. | ||
| That's amazing. | ||
| We had to make it. | ||
| The first 30 pills, because the way we had it set up was, you know, any order. | ||
| You don't even have to send it back. | ||
| So then people start selling it on eBay. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Like, all right, well, you can't be that honest. | ||
| Yeah, it's like the IRS. It's basically, you're counting on honesty. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You're counting on, it's for oversight. | ||
| But I like that. | ||
| I mean, I can tell you from personal experience, I wouldn't do that. | ||
| I mean, if it didn't work, I wouldn't. | ||
| I wouldn't lie to keep a couple of pills. | ||
| I think, honestly, I like it. | ||
| That's awesome. | ||
| Well, I think if you have a product and you believe in it, you would want people to buy it more than once, especially if it's something like a vitamin supplement. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| So I'm just letting them know. | ||
| You're going to like it. | ||
| It fucking works. | ||
| It's a fascinating little... | ||
| You ever get into vitamins, nootropics, anything like that? | ||
| Yes, in college. | ||
| And I was sick all the time. | ||
| I was getting sick three times a month, even if it was for a day or something. | ||
| And my mom said, look, you've got to get started on multivitamin. | ||
| Do you think this is also because of wrestling? | ||
| I think so. | ||
| Yeah, you're kind of in a good Petri dish for sickness. | ||
| You're malnourished, you're overtrained, you're not getting enough sleep with all the road trips and different time zones. | ||
| Perfect Petri dish to get ill. | ||
| And I started on a multivitamin known as Centrum Complete, which has less nutrients than dog food. | ||
| That's what my doctor told me. | ||
| But it worked for me. | ||
| Those small nutrients made a big difference. | ||
| So when I realized... | ||
| Geez, I haven't been sick in a year. | ||
| Then I really started getting involved. | ||
| And now I want some really good stuff you can't even buy over the counter. | ||
| You've got to have a doctor order it. | ||
| It's called Usana. | ||
| It's very powerful. | ||
| You know, 4,000 milligrams of vitamin D. It goes on and on. | ||
| U-S-A-N-A. Usana. | ||
| Usana. | ||
| And it's a combination of... | ||
| Vitamins, what happened? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Something just happened? | ||
| Some short or something. | ||
| Quick blurb, I get it too, but we're back. | ||
| Combination of vitamins. | ||
| Combination of vitamins and minerals? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And you can't get it in a GNC or something like that? | ||
| You cannot, no. | ||
| And again, let me tell you... | ||
| Most vitamins are 10% effective, 90% marketing. | ||
| We all know that about nutrition, GNC type things. | ||
| The ones that really work are 10% marketing, 90% goes into the lab and making them. | ||
| Now that very statement I just gave you may in of itself be the marketing that the people have put out, I don't know, but that's what Usana is doing. | ||
| You can't buy it, you've got to order it. | ||
| They don't have enough to mass produce it because it's so potent and effective. | ||
| But I have had a number of doctors with extensive readings say, listen, this is the one. | ||
| So do you have to... | ||
| You don't have to have a prescription. | ||
| You can just order it from... | ||
| No, absolutely not. | ||
| Yeah, but you just got to have a doctor's office call up and, you know, an 800 number. | ||
| A doctor's office has to call up for you. | ||
| They got to call it in for you. | ||
| You know, that's something they tried to get going years back. | ||
| They tried to label vitamins as nutraceuticals and then they were going to have it so that you needed a prescription. | ||
| To get vitamins, which gets a little weird. | ||
| I would appreciate a little regulation so we know exactly what the fuck is in everything, because right now it's a little wild west when it comes to things like supplements. | ||
| But I just think that having to go to a doctor to get some vitamin D, I don't want that. | ||
| No, I hear you. | ||
| But that comes back to my point that it's, you know, 10% effective, 90% marketing. | ||
| You know, how many things at GNC are made in the same lab, but they're packaged different, and whoever can get the word out more. | ||
| And I can tell you, you know, I've tried everything at GNC on the off chance that something might work. | ||
| I begged my dad to take me there when I was 12 years old and whoever the most muscled up guy or whoever the most handsome guy, whatever it was that attracts you when you're vulnerable at that age, that's who I'm begging my dad to put 40 bucks down and buy me the protein drink for. | ||
| So I fall for it. | ||
| I mean, people always fall for it. | ||
| So, you know, yeah, they don't have oversight. | ||
| It's trial and error. | ||
| But what's not? | ||
| Yeah, yeah, what is it? | ||
| It is kind of crazy, but there were a few things that actually did work, but they got rid of them very quickly. | ||
| There was one called Mag-10. | ||
| They used to have to go into that little glass cabinet with the key to open it up. | ||
| You couldn't even get it out of the regular part. | ||
| It's like a video game, right. | ||
| Yeah, you had to let them know you wanted some porn. | ||
| I mean... | ||
| I mean, that's... | ||
| Your porn was testosterone pills. | ||
| And MAG10 was fucking real. | ||
| They got rid of it really quick. | ||
| You would take an absurd amount of pills. | ||
| I think it was like 10 pills. | ||
| There were these clear pills. | ||
| But you would take... | ||
| Who knows what kind of fucking damage it did to your liver. | ||
| But, oh my god, you'd feel like a fucking raging animal. | ||
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Oh, it worked. | |
| Yeah, it worked for sure. | ||
| Okay, great. | ||
| It worked. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Yeah, I gained a lot of muscle on it, man. | ||
| I gained like 10 pounds of muscle on it in like 8 weeks. | ||
| And it was legal. | ||
| You could buy it at GNC. You could do like 6 to 8 week cycles on it. | ||
| And it was such a steroid. | ||
| It was so obvious. | ||
| Because as soon as I got off it, my dick was just crazy. | ||
| My body would crash. | ||
| I was like, wow. | ||
| I was like, wow, this stuff, even though it's something you buy at GNC, essentially it's just like doing a steroid. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| So essentially they discovered something that the government hadn't had it yet and had it banned and they got it. | ||
| That's going on. | ||
| There's a drug out there right now. | ||
| I shouldn't call it a drug because it's not, but it's a natural product known as Kratom. | ||
| I don't know if you've heard about this, but it is absolutely an opiate. | ||
| It's absolutely a painkiller. | ||
| You know those drive-thru espresso places that they've got? | ||
| We've got a place like that in Oregon, and the guy sells Kratom, and he makes $150,000 a year, and it's completely legal. | ||
| The government has not caught on that this is a painkiller. | ||
| I mean, you get a high, you get a low, you got a crash. | ||
| I got a buddy that's coming off Of painkillers. | ||
| He got addicted to the Vicodin. | ||
| And what he's doing is he's going and buying this kratom for $10 a pill. | ||
| He buys five. | ||
| It costs him $50. | ||
| He goes every Sunday. | ||
| And when he shows up at 10 a.m., Joe, there's a line waiting for this stuff. | ||
| It's a drug, but it hasn't been found illegal yet. | ||
| And I'm saying that because the story you just told about being able to buy a steroid over-the-counter, people are going to think that's not believable. | ||
| That happens all the time. | ||
| The government just hasn't caught on yet. | ||
| And I don't know that they should. | ||
| Are they going to be able to? | ||
| When Balco came out with that clear stuff, that the clear was somehow or another undetectable, how many more of those are possibly out there? | ||
| How hard is it to do something like that? | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Well, I wouldn't know, but from what I'm told, and I read about this stuff all the time, is that if you simply get yourself a good chemist, he goes in, he changes one molecule, one element, and all of a sudden the strand is something else. | ||
| You got your banned list, you change one molecule, it doesn't fall into that category. | ||
| They're looking for things in that category, and they pass. | ||
| It's Olympic year, and we see this every Games where an entire country comes out looking different than every other athlete. | ||
| The whole country looks different. | ||
| You're like, okay, guys. | ||
| You all look that way. | ||
| This whole team has gotten this much stronger and more shredded and times have picked up and everything from track to pole vault to swim. | ||
| Everybody's better from your country. | ||
| What are you doing? | ||
| And ten years later you find out and it gets added to the banned list. | ||
| It gets really creepy when you start thinking about shit like cycling and you see all these dudes getting convicted and all these dudes turning on. | ||
| I had a friend who was a professional cycler and he told me everybody was on crazy shit. | ||
| He said they all are. | ||
| He said there's no way you can compete at that level. | ||
| Oh, you're talking cycling as the... | ||
| Professional cycling. | ||
| Sure, and I'm thinking you're talking about shooting up on and on. | ||
| Off of regulation. | ||
| Okay, so we're talking Lance Armstrong stuff. | ||
| I'm at Olympic cycling. | ||
| I'm with you. | ||
| Or any high-level cycling, Lance Armstrong-type Tour de France shit. | ||
| You almost have to be on something to compete. | ||
| It's getting really weird when it comes to those type of sports. | ||
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Sure. | |
| And what about when a guy gets caught, and so then instead of just going, yeah, listen, I've got to take my medicine, he's got to bring everybody else down. | ||
| He becomes the tattletale. | ||
| Come on, what's happening here? | ||
| That's not the way it works. | ||
| You got brought down, you got caught, you've got to take your medicine. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| By Jose Canseco's, that whole book and publishing and, you know, telling how it was really going down. | ||
| You know, I mean, that really cost him people's love. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Like, for his whole life. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, that guy, if you ever read his Twitter, it's not comfortable. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I never have. | ||
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Wow. | |
| He's got some dark shit in there, you know, about what it was like when he had money. | ||
| And now that he's got nothing, he knows what people are really like. | ||
| And, you know, it's pretty dark. | ||
| And in all, a lot of it, the hate that this guy gets emanates from the fact that he ratted out his friends. | ||
| Sure. | ||
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Sure. | |
| Well, I think there's something to that. | ||
| You know, I really do. | ||
| I mean, even as a kid, nobody likes a tattletale. | ||
| Yeah, nobody likes a tattletale, even though he was telling the truth. | ||
| Yeah, that's the other thing. | ||
| I did see a lot of stuff that he did with his book, and I did find it to be pretty genuine. | ||
| I tended to believe him. | ||
| A lot of people go, oh, he's an admitted cheater. | ||
| How can you believe? | ||
| I was like, well... | ||
| I think he's being pretty candid right now. | ||
| I do believe him. | ||
| Well, when we start seeing guys like Mark McGuire shrink down right after he's done playing, and then admit that he was on steroids, or you see Barry Bonds and how big he got, it's almost like, man, how much regulation do we really need of the human body? | ||
| What the fuck is wrong with what Barry Bonds did? | ||
| He took something that made him stronger. | ||
| Shouldn't we be interested in stuff that makes you stronger and makes you healthier? | ||
| When you look at a guy like Barry Bonds, he looks like he was 30 years old. | ||
| He got better when he was older. | ||
| As a professional baseball player, that's amazing. | ||
| Shouldn't that be something that we would look into and say, that's a good thing? | ||
| Don't you want Roger Clemens to keep throwing fucking heat deep into his 40s? | ||
| Why would you want to stop that? | ||
| Sure, but don't mix the argument. | ||
| I mean, of course we love medicine and advancements, and that's wonderful. | ||
| But if you're talking about rules within a sport and you want to just keep it out for whatever reason, but if that is the decision that we're going to keep it out, well, then the guy can't bring it in and cheat and lie about it. | ||
| I think that was the debate. | ||
| But I hear what you're saying. | ||
| I mean, if it is making people healthier and better, then good for them, and by all means, we should advance knowledge and technology in that area. | ||
| But that doesn't mean that it's okay for a sport. | ||
| That's up to the governing bodies. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Well, I mean, that's what's going on in California. | ||
| They just recently ruled on testosterone replacement therapy and also medical marijuana. | ||
| And they ruled positive on both those things. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Doing testosterone replacement, isn't that essentially the same thing? | ||
| That's essentially the same thing as doing human growth hormone or anything along those lines. | ||
| You're doing something to stop the aging process. | ||
| You're doing something to enhance the hormonal balance of your body. | ||
| Well, it's been deemed legal then, so it shouldn't be an issue, right? | ||
| Look, if it's legal or illegal is where it all comes into play. | ||
| You know, I can tell you, I went through this in California, and they're acting as though they just made it legal. | ||
| That's not true. | ||
| It's always been legal here. | ||
| Their commission just didn't always recognize it. | ||
| You know, I went through this in California. | ||
| So what was the official designation that they recently bestowed on it? | ||
| What did That they would allow a disclosure process. | ||
| Here, let me talk about myself because, you know, I was such an expert on this because I had to go through it. | ||
| I go out, I tell them I'm on testosterone. | ||
| I say, can I compete in your state while on testosterone? | ||
| That's what you got to do. | ||
| You got to get permission. | ||
| Yes, go ahead. | ||
| So I do it. | ||
| I take my test. | ||
| They come back and they say, hey, you're on testosterone. | ||
| Well, guys, you didn't need a urine test. | ||
| I told you that well in advance in writing, and you told me I could be on testosterone. | ||
| They go, well, we don't like this. | ||
| But you made the rules, and you told me I could do it. | ||
| So it just ended up in this really weird area where they said, okay, but you didn't disclose it properly. | ||
| And they started changing the argument. | ||
| It just got really weird to where we could never narrow them down. | ||
| So they finally have come to some resolution within their own body. | ||
| And, you know, in the state of California, I don't want to turn on and throw stones at them. | ||
| I want to be pretty diplomatic with them. | ||
| But look, they are not transparent. | ||
| And for you and I, two experts and authorities in this sport, to still not be completely clear on what their ruling was, I think speaks to their lack of transparency. | ||
| And if they don't want people to keep stubbing their toe and breaking rules, just make it clear so that we know what the rules are. | ||
| Seems like they're dipping their feet in the water to me. | ||
| They constantly do that so that they can then pull back out and go, that's not what we said. | ||
| Yeah, it seems weird. | ||
| Well, I mean, they're in a tough position, too. | ||
| It's a pretty thankless job to be the head of an athletic commission, and there's very few guys that do it and do it really well. | ||
| But, you know, it's not an easy job trying to figure out what's fair, trying to figure out what the playing field is, especially as science and medicine advances. | ||
| I like the idea of a guy like Roger Clemens being able to play baseball because he's taking human growth hormone and doing testosterone. | ||
| It doesn't bother me. | ||
| It really sucks that he can't actually just say that. | ||
| He can't just do that. | ||
| Especially in a sport like baseball where, I mean, how is it going to hurt somebody? | ||
| Even if he is enhanced, he's not going to hurt somebody. | ||
| That's where it gets weird like in MMA. The real question in MMA is if you really have something in your body that makes you hyperhuman, you have hyperhuman levels, which people can do if they use testosterone replacement or something else unethically. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| You know, I'll tell you, Joe, one thing I admire about you, you are oddly comfortable in your own skin. | ||
| You know, you have no problem admitting anything and being a real open book. | ||
| And so I think that's one reason why you can't relate to Roger Clemens is because, you know, you're like, look, this is who I am and this is what I do. | ||
| But that's a very rare trait. | ||
| You possess that, but not a lot of people do. | ||
| Everybody's got their secrets, not necessarily on this topic, but in other things of their life where they keep it private. | ||
| You're rare. | ||
| This is a weird thing where his sport does not allow you to do that to your body. | ||
| But I think it's a silly argument when you're looking at a guy who's an older man like he is. | ||
| How else do you expect him to be able to do that? | ||
| Do you know anything about how the body ages? | ||
| Because guess what? | ||
| At a certain point in time, his body doesn't recover enough anymore and he can't throw the heat. | ||
| But now he can. | ||
| He can because he takes this stuff. | ||
| Doesn't that mean it's good for you? | ||
| Isn't it good for him? | ||
| Shouldn't he be looking at it that way? | ||
| It's such a weird fucking narrow band of what is cheating? | ||
| What is legal? | ||
| What do we allow? | ||
| Well, it's going to be a certain point in time where they're going to start genetic engineering. | ||
| And what is everybody going to do? | ||
| There's going to be a fucking pill that turns you into Thor. | ||
| What are you going to do? | ||
| Are you going to not take it? | ||
| Why would you not want to be like a superhero? | ||
| If I could give you a pill and it lets you fucking fly through the air and become bulletproof, you wouldn't take it? | ||
| Of course you would take it! | ||
| It would be amazing! | ||
| No, I like your argument. | ||
| And again, it's Olympic year. | ||
| Olympics are my favorite sport. | ||
| I don't watch professional sports, but I love every four years when the games come around. | ||
| So you might hear me reference it a few times today. | ||
| But, you know, listen. | ||
| Athletes used to be done at 23 years old. | ||
| That was it. | ||
| I mean, 23 was it. | ||
| If you made... | ||
| 22, 21, that's usually. | ||
| Now, you know, look at the last games in Beijing. | ||
| We had Derek Torres, who was 40 years old. | ||
| We're going to have 40-year-old athletes on our Olympic team this year vying for medals, and that's a tremendous compliment to medicine. | ||
| That's a tremendous compliment to technology and what we're discovering here in America and abroad. | ||
| And then not label it. | ||
| Don't label it as drugs or label it as cheating. | ||
| Look at the fucking advancement. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Look at what's happened. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Well, and it's real interesting, you know, because the only time you're in hot water is if it's a banned list. | ||
| But, you know, that's junk science and it changes constantly. | ||
| Things that weren't legal are legal, that are legal, aren't legal. | ||
| You know, a testosterone replacement. | ||
| Boy, that's just got such a bullseye on it. | ||
| But there's a number of performance enhancing agents that are perfectly legal. | ||
| And, you know, you've got to still be within your limits. | ||
| Caffeine comes to mind, as a matter of fact. | ||
| You know, you want your caffeine levels as high as you can get prior to competition, in my opinion. | ||
| You know, I can tell you, for my body, that's when I do my best. | ||
| But you've still got to be within the level. | ||
| And there's a lot of things like that. | ||
| What's the legal limit? | ||
| It's like a cup of coffee? | ||
| Essentially, you know, if you compare it to no-dose, which is something you can buy at a local convenience store, you can take two of them. | ||
| Is that how you do it? | ||
| Do you regulate it that way? | ||
| That's how I regulate it. | ||
| Just because there's no problems if you do that. | ||
| It stays in your system about four hours. | ||
| You'll be tested within that, but you're fine. | ||
| But coffee can vary wildly, right? | ||
| It absolutely can. | ||
| There's people that say, and they'll block you. | ||
| An athlete, a lot of fans don't know this. | ||
| When you go in the locker room, you cannot have anything other than a closed bottle of water. | ||
| They want to see you open it. | ||
| coffee and they'll bring you in there five hours before your fight. | ||
| You come in there with some kind of a drink. | ||
| You could have something that you don't know about. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But, you know, I mean, the caffeine is just one that I'm mentioning, but there's a number of performance enhancing things. | ||
| And if a guy takes the time and gets surrounded with the right people that look into that, because often it's overlooked, but, you know, supplements, diet, vitamins, as we talked about earlier, these are, there's a very important element. | ||
| And if a guy inundates himself and finds where his level should be and he's legal, then he's legal. | ||
| Good for him. | ||
| And so many people want to point a finger and say there's something wrong about it, but there's not. | ||
| And the science continually change continually. | ||
| It's junk science. | ||
| You can't get, you bring five doctors in here, Joe, you get five different opinions. | ||
| And you know what? | ||
| It's also assuming that nature is fair, which I think is ridiculous. | ||
| There are some people that have fucking incredible genetics, and there's some people that literally can't compete with them. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| They just physically can't compete with them. | ||
| We both know guys who have been non-athletes that have tried to wrestle, and they just couldn't do it. | ||
| There's guys that are born with freak bodies. | ||
| There's guys that are, without a doubt, they're gifted genetically. | ||
| I mean, that's not fair either. | ||
| Should we round people up by genetically what's their disposition? | ||
| If you really want to look at what's fair, it is not fair that you can get a guy like Jonah Hill. | ||
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| Right. | ||
| And a guy like Melvin Manhoof. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Melvin Manhoof. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| John Jones. | ||
| There's no way you can tell me that those dudes have the same hand. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Someone got fucked. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| The guy that you want to win is whoever worked the hardest. | ||
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Right. | |
| Sure. | ||
| Show the most dedication, has the best skills. | ||
| And that is a fallacy. | ||
| Some guys will be born with a better skill set than other guys will be able to learn over a lifetime. | ||
| They just are. | ||
| You see it with speed. | ||
| You see it with the ability to jump. | ||
| And it's just a natural thing. | ||
| There's some guys that will take testosterone and still have a lower level than a guy that was just gifted with it. | ||
| And you see it all the time. | ||
| I get your point. | ||
| Yeah, it's not a fair playing field. | ||
| The idea is that your mind can allow you to overcome the disparaging genetics. | ||
| Your mind and strategy is important, just as important as being physical. | ||
| But that's always assuming that big, strong people are dumb. | ||
| And guess what? | ||
| A lot of them aren't. | ||
| A lot of those big, strong, naturally gifted motherfuckers are also really quick. | ||
| And they think quick. | ||
| You know? | ||
| I mean, look, a guy like Mike Tyson, people would always talk about how Mike Tyson wasn't bright. | ||
| Mike Tyson was a fucking boxing historian. | ||
| And maybe he wasn't educated, but he figured out the best style for his body. | ||
| He figured out how to break a man down. | ||
| He figured out how to put up a pace. | ||
| That other guys just couldn't deal with, and if he could just punch faster than everybody else could, that no one could fuck with him? | ||
| He figured all that shit. | ||
| There's an intelligence to that. | ||
| To get excellent at anything requires an intelligence. | ||
| That's what's really scary about a genetically gifted guy. | ||
| Because they could easily be really smart. | ||
| Burt Sugar just touched on that same topic with Mike Tyson, and he said he is very smart. | ||
| He goes, I'm not saying he's intelligent. | ||
| I'm calling him smart. | ||
| He's very smart. | ||
| Now, I don't personally know what the distinction is that he was getting at. | ||
| I think it meant, you know, some of the bad decisions that Tyson made around town. | ||
| Have you seen Tyson, by the way, the show? | ||
| You know, he's doing this new show. | ||
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I heard it's amazing. | |
| I heard it's amazing. | ||
| Do you know anything about it? | ||
| I've known nothing. | ||
| Oh, I got to tell you one story. | ||
| He gets up and tells stories. | ||
| Oh, I got to tell you one story. | ||
| So let me set the scene real fast. | ||
| Dana White went and saw this. | ||
| Dana got invited. | ||
| He and Mike are buddies. | ||
| So Dana, you know, he's backstage. | ||
| She's having a great time. | ||
| All it is, is Mike Tyson goes out, he's got a microphone, he tells stories of his life, and they've got a production. | ||
| So if he says, you know, Don King in a story, boom, Don King's face pops up behind him on a big movie screen. | ||
| So he's telling this story, and he brings up the Robin Givens era, where, you know, where he's beating Robin Givens, and he's doing these horrible things, and he's going, listen... | ||
| The one thing Robin never told anyone is that I was seeing her the whole time. | ||
| You know, the whole time we were still seeing each other. | ||
| Now, he didn't use the word seeing. | ||
| I'm sure you can fill in the blank, but he's seeing her the whole time. | ||
| So he says, you know, one morning at 1 a.m., I drive over to Robin Givens' house. | ||
| My mansion that I bought her that I'm not allowed to go to and I'm ringing the doorbell and this isn't all that uncommon because I do this a lot except today she doesn't come to the door. | ||
| So he says I'm walking around the house I'm looking in the windows about 15 minutes later I see her pulling up the driveway in a Bentley that I bought her that I'm not allowed to drive. | ||
| So she's driving my car she's coming to my mansion it's 1 in the morning she gets out of the car she brought someone home with her. | ||
| So she brought a guy home to see her into my mansion in my car that I'm not allowed to be at. | ||
| And when the guy gets out of the car, do you want to know who it is? | ||
| And on the screen, up pops Brad Pitt. | ||
| He was a waiter and she picked him up that night. | ||
| It's before he ever made it into the movies. | ||
| So Brad Pitt's sitting there going, hey man, hey buddy, I don't really know much about this. | ||
| I know who you are. | ||
| We were going to watch some TV, man. | ||
| And Mike Tyson says, I could kill you right now. | ||
| And nobody would. | ||
| And Tyson walked away. | ||
| He did the right thing. | ||
| He got in his car and he walked away. | ||
| But how great is that story? | ||
| That's a great story. | ||
| Holy shit, Brad Pitt. | ||
| Somewhere his production crew found an old picture of Brad Pitt. | ||
| Some of them are out there where he's in the chicken suit somewhere in LA trying to make it. | ||
| It was one of those old school pictures before he ever got his break. | ||
| Robin brought him home to Mike Tyson's house. | ||
| Terrifying that must have been. | ||
| Jesus Christ. | ||
| Hey man, let's be cool, man. | ||
| Isn't it crazy that someone can get married to someone, just marry someone really rich for a couple years and you can just get fucking paid. | ||
| You can just get fucking paid. | ||
| A girl can do that. | ||
| A girl can meet a guy like Mike Tyson, trick him, marry him, manipulate him, rope him in, ride it for a few years, and then just... | ||
| Reap the rewards. | ||
| Yeah, and in this era of reality TV, we all know when that's happening. | ||
| It's just the guy does, like, does Chris Humphrey really think he was in a real relationship? | ||
| I mean, God bless him. | ||
| I hate to see that he got his heart broke, but I'm watching it from my couch on a, you know, bi-weekly basis when the girlfriend's forcing me. | ||
| I'm like, Chris, this isn't an actual romance, man. | ||
| This isn't how this works. | ||
| Do you really think you're getting married to Kim here? | ||
| I think he thought it was real. | ||
| The whole rest of the world's going, you gotta be kidding me. | ||
| Well, he would say insulting shit to her that you should never take from a meat. | ||
| You know, he said something, and I was on a soup with Joel McHale. | ||
| That's his name? | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Funny, funny dude. | ||
| Talented guy, by the way. | ||
| Very funny guy. | ||
| And he's got this sketch they're doing about Kim Kardashian and Chris Humphries. | ||
| He said, why would you care? | ||
| You know, he said something there on the air, like, why would you care in a few years from now? | ||
| No one's going to care about you anymore anyway. | ||
| Yeah, and everybody clapped and we laughed and I cried, you know, fake for TV. But for real life, I look at it and I go, well, man, could you imagine saying that to your friend? | ||
| What a cunt move that would be to say to your friend. | ||
| If my friend said that to me, I'd be like, bitch, what the fuck am I doing hanging around with you? | ||
| I would cut that guy out of my life instantly. | ||
| Because I'm not capable of saying something like that to a friend. | ||
| It's accurate, but it's mean-spirited. | ||
| But it might not even be accurate. | ||
| Who the fuck would have figured out that she would be able to do what she's doing right now? | ||
| That girl's making $60 million whatever a year. | ||
| I mean, it's incredible. | ||
| What he's going to see that she's not going to be able to figure out how to ride the tide? | ||
| Maybe she can. | ||
| Maybe she can, stupid. | ||
| She already did. | ||
| Look what she did. | ||
| I mean, look, she's no genius. | ||
| But there is genius in what she's done. | ||
| There's genius in making a living by just being a person. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Oh, absolutely. | ||
| It's very rare. | ||
| I mean, you see it all the time. | ||
| America always has to have somebody. | ||
| It's usually some famous blonde. | ||
| She pulled it off as a brunette. | ||
| You know, she's usually your Pam Anderson, your Marilyn Monroe's. | ||
| Well, she also pulled it off with a fuck tape with a black dude. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Which is very powerful. | ||
| I've heard that. | ||
| Get out of here. | ||
| You've heard. | ||
| I don't know much about that. | ||
| Yeah, well, it's okay. | ||
| Speaking of, and it wasn't the gentleman involved, but Reggie Bush was at the last UFC. It was kind of cool to see him out there supporting him. | ||
| Reggie Bush has my car. | ||
| Right, the second? | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| He's literally in your car? | ||
| I sold my Barracuda and the owner that I sold it to, sold it to Reggie Bush. | ||
| Well, that sounds like that's his car. | ||
| You do know how a sale works. | ||
| Well, yes. | ||
| Well, it was my car, I should say. | ||
| I should have phrased it better. | ||
| I apologize. | ||
| You got me. | ||
| I had a 1970 Barracuda. | ||
| I wish him luck with that fucking thing. | ||
| Yeah, well, you need to be clear. | ||
| You've got a lot of tough guys as friends. | ||
| I mean, I see Reggie Bush rolling around in that car. | ||
| I'm going to go take it back in honor of you. | ||
| But now that I know, it's okay, it was a fair sale, and he's got the title. | ||
| Not only that, I didn't even change hands with him. | ||
| I didn't even change hands with him. | ||
| Yeah, he was dating Kim Kardashian. | ||
| I know this. | ||
| Why do I know this? | ||
| I know not who the president of Poland is. | ||
| I have no idea. | ||
| But yet I know who Kim Kardashian was dating before she married this other fellow. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And I'm doing my best to act like, oh, I barely watched that show. | ||
| But yeah, I knew it too. | ||
| I guess I should be ashamed as well. | ||
| Well, you are so good at promoting online and promoting in interviews. | ||
| Have you ever thought about doing some sort of a limited version of a reality show? | ||
| No. | ||
| Not too intrusive? | ||
| I appreciate the compliment. | ||
| No, I never have. | ||
| Reality TV is still pretty new, and to some generations, they don't know that. | ||
| I like it. | ||
| I'm a big fan, but I got asked to do The Ultimate Fighter, our reality show in our industry, and I just passed. | ||
| It just wasn't something I wanted to do. | ||
| You didn't want to coach? | ||
| I love coaching. | ||
| I coach a kid's team. | ||
| What I didn't want to do was go to Vegas for five weeks, and now, with the new format of live every Friday night on FX there, it's... | ||
| It's a 13-week process. | ||
| That's what Dominic and Uri are going through. | ||
| That's a long time. | ||
| It's a long time, you know, and it's the little thing. | ||
| You can lose chunks of your soul in that place. | ||
| For example, I have a dog. | ||
| I can't bring him. | ||
| Where am I going to put him in Vegas? | ||
| Is Dana going to get me a yard somewhere? | ||
| You know, that's kind of too much to ask of anybody. | ||
| I can't go 13 weeks without the little guy. | ||
| He'd forget who I was. | ||
| He's the smartest dog. | ||
| That's cute. | ||
| What kind of dog is it? | ||
| Oh, that's cute. | ||
| It is cute. | ||
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Please say poodle. | |
| I love dogs, man. | ||
| He's a rescue dog. | ||
| He's a terrier. | ||
| He's a mix. | ||
| I actually don't know what completely he is. | ||
| How long have you had him? | ||
| He's a cute dog is what he is. | ||
| Three years. | ||
| So you wouldn't... | ||
| You could get a place. | ||
| You could rent a place with a yard. | ||
| I guarantee you. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| No, you probably could. | ||
| There's probably some fancy schmancy high roller gambler type dude that would love to rent his house out to Chael Sonnen for a couple months. | ||
| All right, well... | ||
| Well, there you go. | ||
| Then maybe I will coach the reality show after all. | ||
| You've saved the day. | ||
| It would be fun to watch. | ||
| I'll tell you that. | ||
| Yeah, I appreciate that. | ||
| I think that show picks up. | ||
| The one problem I have with the show, because there is some reality TV I like. | ||
| For example, Big Brother I got pretty into. | ||
| There was this crazy guy in there named Will for one season. | ||
| If you ever watched it, I'm not seeing any nods. | ||
| I'm assuming nobody said it. | ||
| He was fantastic. | ||
| He was absolutely fantastic because he'd go into the darkroom and he would just tell the truth. | ||
| You know, I'm I'm going to tell this girl this and I'm going to stab her in the back on Friday and I'm not even going to clean up the bloody mess. | ||
| You know, he would say these crazy things and then he would do it and then he won the whole show. | ||
| At any rate, the problem the ultimate fighter is they put him in teams, but there is no team. | ||
| And so, you know, they'll go have a... | ||
| The team will do a fight. | ||
| And if your team wins, you need to win something. | ||
| You know, on The Apprentice with Donald Trump, if your team wins, boom, you get a night out of dinner. | ||
| You know, or whatever it is. | ||
| Or you get to go meet with this guy or you all get some money. | ||
| There's no team concept. | ||
| Why am I cheering for my opponent? | ||
| I want whoever the toughest guy is, whether he's on my team or their team, to lose. | ||
| And then I want the next toughest guy to lose. | ||
| I'm in this to win this for myself. | ||
| And it's really important that those guys start to get that. | ||
| And so they either need to do away with the team concept or they need to have a team reward. | ||
| So there's a reason you would cheer for one side or the other. | ||
| At this point, there's no point. | ||
| So they're just camaraderie for the sake of camaraderie now. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And then as the numbers dwindle down, all of a sudden, hey, you were on this guy's team, now you're over here, and they mix it up. | ||
| And I'm a supporter of our show. | ||
| The last thing I'm trying to do is put down the show. | ||
| But I mean, from a critical standpoint, I'd like to see a reason to cheer for a specific team, or just don't even put them in teams. | ||
| I think it's just fun because the guy who's the coach, especially this one right now that's going on with Uriah and Dominic Cruz, what I like about it is they're constantly talking shit to each other, and it's just another way to try to win. | ||
| It's another way to try to win with a team. | ||
| And people love to be a part of teams, man. | ||
| They like to pick team windows. | ||
| I'm on team Apple, and people love that. | ||
| I only get droids. | ||
| I like the droid platform. | ||
| People love to be on teams. | ||
| You say soccer, but I hear that ice cream sandwich is the shit. | ||
| Actually, I saw, have you seen the, what is that, the note? | ||
| Yeah, it's amazing. | ||
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How crazy, that thing is like this big. | |
| I love it. | ||
| Are you going to urinate, Chael Sonnen? | ||
| Chael Sonnen is healthy. | ||
| That motherfucker drinks water. | ||
| I'm sure. | ||
| Mike Dolce, by the way, just texted me. | ||
| Go right down there to the left. | ||
| Mike Dolce, who's a fitness expert. | ||
| He was a former fighter and a professional bodybuilder, I think, at one point in time, or powerlifter, something like that. | ||
| Super smart dude when it comes to nutrition. | ||
| So he's going to come on the podcast and I'm going to have your diet straightened out, kid. | ||
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Mine? | |
| Yeah, I need to address certain issues with you. | ||
| We're going to get you on all vegetables from now on and do some yoga. | ||
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I ate animals last night. | |
| What'd you eat? | ||
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I had foie gras. | |
| That's only for a couple more weeks in California. | ||
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I know, but this place I went to, it was called Animal, and I highly recommend it. | |
| It's in Hollywood, and it's just... | ||
| Animal. | ||
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It's every single crazy... | |
| They had veal brains. | ||
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Whoa. | |
| They had, you know, pig... | ||
| Sliced pig head. | ||
| I don't even know what that is. | ||
| My uncle used to cook lamb brains. | ||
| He used to cook it on the grill. | ||
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Ew. | |
| What's Brains taste? | ||
| It doesn't seem like a good idea to eat Brains, right? | ||
| It was okay. | ||
| It was really inexpensive. | ||
| It's like peasant food. | ||
| It was peasant food, and then slowly it became sort of chic, fascinating that you're eating organs and brains and stuff like that. | ||
| But it's not the best tasting stuff, but Fogwa is. | ||
| That's amazing. | ||
| You got me addicted to it right before it's about to get banned. | ||
| Yeah, I took Brian to this place, Noir, that's right down the street, and they have... | ||
| They have full guac there. | ||
| For only two more weeks, these motherfuckers, these silly bitches. | ||
| You silly liberals, what have you done? | ||
| You got rid of the best tasting food. | ||
| You're going to kill the duck. | ||
| Do you really care if someone overstuffs this duck before you kill it? | ||
| Did you even watch the videos? | ||
| You ever see them force feed a duck? | ||
| They take the duck, they stick its stupid head under this faucet, they pour some grain down its throat, and then they pull it off. | ||
| It takes five seconds. | ||
| And you think that that's terrible? | ||
| That's terrible to an animal that you're going to kill and eat? | ||
| Really? | ||
| It takes five, ten seconds. | ||
| It's not screaming in pain. | ||
| For a human, it would totally suck to have food shoved down your throat. | ||
| But they have a completely different capacity to absorb grains and stuff. | ||
| I mean, it makes their liver swell up. | ||
| It's not good for them. | ||
| But it makes delicious food. | ||
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Is there a humane way to do it? | |
| That is a humane way to do it. | ||
| It takes five or ten seconds a day, if that. | ||
| It's really quick, man. | ||
| I've watched them do it. | ||
| It's ridiculous. | ||
| They take the thing. | ||
| This is what we do. | ||
| We grab them by the neck and you stick its mouth on it. | ||
| And they get sort of used to it after a while. | ||
| They just kind of like step there. | ||
| They pump grain down their throat and then they let them go. | ||
| And then they're done for the rest of the day. | ||
| They wander around. | ||
| Eventually they're going to fucking kill them. | ||
| I mean, that's why they raise them. | ||
| I mean, are we going to slowly regulate that away? | ||
| I mean, this is not real cruelty. | ||
| Veal to me is far more cruel and legal. | ||
| And I'm more attached to veal because it's a mammal. | ||
| I don't give a fuck about ducks. | ||
| You know, if you take a duck and you stick it in there and you fill it full of grain, I don't feel bad. | ||
| Ducks, I don't really like them. | ||
| I'm not like a fan of ducks. | ||
| I'm not a fan of any birds. | ||
| I don't really feel like any affection for birds. | ||
| But animals I do. | ||
| So we can do that for little baby cows and bend them up and feed them milk and keep them in the dark. | ||
| And they never get to move around. | ||
| Yeah, veal sad. | ||
| That's legal. | ||
| Veal's a tough thing. | ||
| And I really like veal. | ||
| But if you see how that's done, it is tough after that. | ||
| I want you to know. | ||
| I tend to agree with where you're at because I'm from the country. | ||
| I see this stuff all the time. | ||
| People are just trying to get by and support their families. | ||
| But I am surprised to see you take that stance. | ||
| I'm very impressed by that. | ||
| I didn't know you had an open mind. | ||
| I thought you were narrowed in. | ||
| I've misread you, Joe. | ||
| What did you think I was, like, narrow, like, hippie style? | ||
| Yeah, narrow, hippie style. | ||
| Yeah, very liberal. | ||
| No, I'm a Second Amendment. | ||
| You know, I heard that you moved to Colorado at one point, and I thought, well, what's Joe doing there? | ||
| That's a... | ||
| I don't really... | ||
| You know, that's where I really learned to not like hippies, when I lived in Boulder. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| That's when the reality of the hippie truly set in. | ||
| You know, it's like, if you're around hippies, at least seven out of ten of them are not going to have their shit together. | ||
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Sure. | |
| Sure. | ||
| Seven out of ten of them are always going to need to borrow sugar. | ||
| Seven out of ten of them, their car breaks down, they need to borrow yours. | ||
| They just can't quite fucking get it together. | ||
| Well, you know, the eco movement's a tough movement because if you go all the way with that, if you go all in... | ||
| You gotta start killing people. | ||
| You're anti-human. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Right. | |
| Because the human's the only thing that hurts the environment. | ||
| We're fucking the craziest parasite of all time. | ||
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Right. | |
| We're sucking all the fish out of the ocean. | ||
| They say within like a hundred or something years, there'll be no more wild fish in the ocean. | ||
| I mean, it's incredible. | ||
| So we're sucking all this... | ||
| And then we're throwing all our trash in there. | ||
| So there's this gigantic... | ||
| Like, island of floating plastic as big as Texas in the middle of the Pacific. | ||
| And it gets bigger every day. | ||
| I mean, we're crazy. | ||
| If you look at us from, like, if you were an alien species and you were observing Earth, you'd be like, look at this one thing just fucking everything up. | ||
| Like, wow! | ||
| Yeah, for sure. | ||
| If you really wanted to go eco, you'd have to start killing people. | ||
| You'd have to shut down power. | ||
| Everybody gets a bike. | ||
| Either you take a bike there or that's it. | ||
| And hopefully you don't get stuck somewhere north. | ||
| You didn't build your stupid house somewhere where it fucking freezes in the winter. | ||
| Because if you did, well, guess what? | ||
| That's just where you are. | ||
| That's where you're going to be walking around now. | ||
| And I hope your food supply lasts. | ||
| I hope there's plenty of animals around you. | ||
| You've got to make sure you keep them coming because you don't have cars anymore, stupid. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Cars are bad for the environment. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I'm glad that you recognize that, though. | ||
| Because I hear this eco-freeco talk all the time. | ||
| It's like, you know, be real careful because... | ||
| You're anti-human. | ||
| If you want to go all the way with that, and most topics that you get passionate about, a guy that's willing to chain himself to a tree to stop construction, gets pretty wacko. | ||
| It's like, make sure what you recognize, you're turning on us. | ||
| You're choosing us over a plant. | ||
| Make sure that you at least acknowledge that. | ||
| Yeah, well, you know, my issue that I've always had with people who are not just vegetarians and vegans, but are really kind of aggressive about it in the way they fuck with you. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| You know, and they, you know, hey man, I just want you to reconsider. | ||
| I just want you to think about what you're doing. | ||
| You're killing life too, stupid. | ||
| I fucking love plants. | ||
| They're beautiful and gorgeous. | ||
| And you have to kill acres of them every year just to keep your stupid fucking fat face alive. | ||
| That's an animal. | ||
| That's a life form. | ||
| You're eating life. | ||
| You're eating plant life. | ||
| You can't get by without eating life. | ||
| Life eats life, period. | ||
| So shut the fuck up. | ||
| I got a chapter in my book on this very topic about cutting down trees, and it's like, listen, the older and bigger the tree, the better with me if you're going to cut it down. | ||
| You know, let it go, let it make some sunlight, and let a couple of new trees pop up. | ||
| That's the way that it works, and we use those trees, and we build our houses and paper, and it's an absolute necessity, but those are here for us, not the other way around. | ||
| And, you know, you hear these eco-frecos, you know, of course, they only come out when CNN or some local camera crew is there. | ||
| It's often about them, not about the environment, and that's where real frustration comes in. | ||
| But, no, I hear what you're saying, you know, in fact, we were talking about Kardashian a minute ago. | ||
| Somebody just recently threw flour or something on her over in England. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| She's pressing charges. | ||
| You know, it's like, hey, there's other ways to do it. | ||
| You know, anything you do needs to be nonviolent. | ||
| If there's anything we learned from Gandhi or Martin Luther King, it's you don't come around using violence to get attention. | ||
| That's where the Unabomber went off course. | ||
| When people were spraying people's fur coats with red paint. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| You know, I mean, come on, man. | ||
| Now you assaulted someone and this very thing, one of the resources of that animal's body is now you fucked it up and ruined it. | ||
| And people quit listening to your argument. | ||
| Once you do that list, I'm out. | ||
| They listen to your argument and you have made that animal's death really kind of worthless now because they're going to have to throw this coat away because you spray painted it like a fucking asshole. | ||
| I mean, it's ridiculous. | ||
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Interesting point. | |
| Now they're going to have to go get another one to replace that one. | ||
| So, right, the punishment becomes the crime. | ||
| I get it. | ||
| Well, the whole thing is stupid. | ||
| It's stupid to try to enforce your opinion so aggressively with pain. | ||
| You know, that's assault. | ||
| You're a fucking asshole. | ||
| You'd be an asshole no matter what side of the argument you were on. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| You picked a side and you went full asshole with that argument. | ||
| Well, you run out and try to assault Ted Nugent. | ||
| It's like that kind of shit. | ||
| It's like, oh, he likes to shoot animals. | ||
| Well, why don't you go down the fucking... | ||
| Go down to the butcher. | ||
| Go down to that place where a thousand cows a day have to stick their head into a metal trap and a fucking piston slams through their head. | ||
| Go after them. | ||
| What are you saying? | ||
| Are you saying that every animal that's ever lived should just live forever and take over the earth? | ||
| This is stupid. | ||
| You've got to eat some of them. | ||
| Well, it's the food chain. | ||
| It's natural selection. | ||
| There's no way around it. | ||
| And unless you want wild predators roaming around keeping the populations down, you're going to have to fucking kill them. | ||
| So few people understand that. | ||
| They don't understand how important hunting is for population control. | ||
| They don't get that. | ||
| They don't understand how important it is for traffic safety. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| People who don't live in rural areas don't... | ||
| I drove home once. | ||
| I had a gig in western Massachusetts, and I was living in New York, and you have to drive down... | ||
| I forget the name of the turnpike, but... | ||
| I had to go 20, 30 miles an hour because deer would just dart in front of the car, dart in front of the car. | ||
| I mean, it was an infestation. | ||
| I mean, I've never seen anything like it since. | ||
| I might have seen two, three hundred deer in a night driving down this road. | ||
| It was incredible. | ||
| Maybe I'm exaggerating. | ||
| Let's say 50 deer. | ||
| Let's say 20 deer. | ||
| If I saw 20 deer, I'd be shocked. | ||
| I saw a lot of fucking deer. | ||
| I saw them all over the place. | ||
| If you saw three deer, most people can't relate to that. | ||
| And that's where our votes come from, is the city. | ||
| You've got to listen to these folks in the country that are dealing with these actual things. | ||
| Those things can fuck your car up, man. | ||
| Real dangerous. | ||
| People die all the time. | ||
| There's a fucking wild video. | ||
| Recent one of a kid who's on a motorcycle. | ||
| He's going 80 plus miles an hour and he hits a deer. | ||
| And somehow or another, he hits it perfect dead on, so he doesn't even lose control of the bike. | ||
| He just... | ||
| Boom! | ||
| And he pulls his bike over, and his friend comes over. | ||
| He's like, dude, you could have died! | ||
| You could have died! | ||
| Did you just see what that... | ||
| He goes back, and the deer is just cut in half. | ||
| Literally, like, the deer exploded on impact. | ||
| That is amazing. | ||
| I have not seen... | ||
| That is absolutely amazing. | ||
| I'm glad the guy didn't die. | ||
| I thought that's what you were going to say. | ||
| No, the guy didn't even waver. | ||
| I mean, he didn't even lose control. | ||
| It was like... | ||
| He never lost control of the bike. | ||
| The bike was so narrow, just cut it in half like a saw, you're saying, basically. | ||
| Yeah, basically. | ||
| At 80 fucking miles an hour. | ||
| The one time speeding saves a motorcyclist in a wreck. | ||
| Yeah, no kidding, right? | ||
| That'd be interesting to talk to a physicist. | ||
| If he was slowed down, what would have happened? | ||
| Would have he not cut it in half? | ||
| It would have been him. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Well, because, yeah, it's like 80 miles an hour. | ||
| It's like a bullet. | ||
| You know, just bang! | ||
| To run right into that. | ||
| Which is probably just exploded. | ||
| Well... | ||
| But the kid lived, and there was another video of a guy, and it's another helmet cam, same thing, and another one where a guy on a motorcycle hits a deer, but he loses the bike, and he was wearing full leathers with pads, like racing shit, where they have those really hard plates in the body, and he got up and he was fine, and he was telling people, look, this is the reason why you need to wear all this shit, because something like this can happen, and this just saved my life. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Oh, that's the video. | ||
| It's about 30 seconds in when he hits the deer. | ||
| Oh, wow. | ||
| See that? | ||
| That was it. | ||
| Oh, you're kidding me. | ||
| No. | ||
| Back it up a little. | ||
| Wow, he does keep control of that bike. | ||
| Yeah, well, he's a good fucking rider, too. | ||
| You can totally tell. | ||
| Because he didn't lose it at all. | ||
| He's a bad motherfucker. | ||
| Because when that deer hits him, he has a little jiggly moment. | ||
| See that? | ||
| See that? | ||
| Little jiggly moment, going 80 fucking miles an hour, he hits a deer. | ||
| That guy's a bad motherfucker. | ||
| Is this a YouTube sensation? | ||
| I mean, did this go viral? | ||
| Do people probably know what we're talking about here? | ||
| Yeah, a lot of people know about this. | ||
| I got a bunch of tweets about it. | ||
| And so then his friend comes running over, and they go back to see it, and it's just splattered. | ||
| Well, I sure am glad that guy's okay. | ||
| That would not have been pleasant. | ||
| I love bikes, but I can't do that. | ||
| I can't fuck with crashing. | ||
| No. | ||
| You know, there's something about riding on something that you have to balance. | ||
| Are you a rider? | ||
| Do you have a bike? | ||
| No. | ||
| Ooh, see that? | ||
| Do you see the deer? | ||
| I took my safety lessons, and I was ready to get a bike, and I saw one accident, and two friends saw two other accidents in the course of three days involving a bike. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Yeah, one of them, someone like on a phone hit a car or hit a bike, just fucking nailed it, wasn't even paying attention. | ||
| Guy goes flying off the bike. | ||
| Another one, a friend of mine was riding through the canyons. | ||
| He hit some salt or some gravel or whatever the fuck it was, lost his bike, ripped his shoulder apart. | ||
| And then it was actually right around the same time that Frank Mir got hit too, when Frank got hit by a car and broke his femur. | ||
| He was like on his honeymoon, I think. | ||
| Wasn't Frank on his honeymoon? | ||
| He was definitely on vacation. | ||
| I know he's on vacation. | ||
| I thought he was on his honeymoon. | ||
| I'm pretty sure it was in Vegas that it actually happened. | ||
| I thought it was overseas, like the Bahamas. | ||
| I might just be adding that element. | ||
| I used to be a historian, Joe. | ||
| You used to not need to consult an internet if you had me around. | ||
| And now there's been so many shows I've lost track. | ||
| You're thinking about Tito Ortiz. | ||
| Tito Ortiz was in Jamaica, and he got hit by a bus. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Him and his wife were on vacation. | ||
| I thought that's what happened to Frank. | ||
| I thought Frank was hit by a bus on a motorcycle. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| Tito and his, I think it was his wife, they were hit by a bus. | ||
| I think he was on like a moped or some shit like that. | ||
| I thought that was Frank. | ||
| His wife was hurt. | ||
| Combine the stories. | ||
| That happens, man. | ||
| There's only so much data holding your brain. | ||
| After a while, those stories get a little squirrely. | ||
| Frank was hit, I think, right in Vegas. | ||
| And some guy just fucking ran a red light and slammed right into him. | ||
| Broke his thigh, sent him flying through the air. | ||
| And it took a long time for him to come back. | ||
| You know, he's a really impressive case of a comeback. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, he's gone. | ||
| Well, because it didn't go real smooth. | ||
| It didn't go smooth at all. | ||
| You look at, like, the Brandon Vera fight, the Petipano fight, you know, it's like, wow, like, what happened to the, you know, the former champ? | ||
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| You know, what happened to the dynamic Frank Mir that burst onto the scene, you know? | ||
| The one that beat Pete Williams with that crazy arm bar for the guard. | ||
| I remember. | ||
| You know, Frank Mayer was a beast. | ||
| And so that set him back, man. | ||
| That was a pretty grueling injury. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He's one of my favorite guys. | ||
| I really like him. | ||
| Very smart guy. | ||
| I enjoy Frank a lot. | ||
| His wife's real nice. | ||
| You know, he's a local Vegas guy. | ||
| He's a great commentator, too. | ||
| Second Amendment guy. | ||
| He's a very good commentator. | ||
| Very much a Second Amendment guy. | ||
| He commentates better than the interviews that he cuts. | ||
| Sometimes he does an interview and people are turned off by him. | ||
| They think he's putting out an attitude. | ||
| I don't see it, but I read and hear about these things. | ||
| But he doesn't do any of that. | ||
| He's a totally different persona when he's commentating. | ||
| And I like that. | ||
| If he doesn't see it, he doesn't say it. | ||
| He's pretty fair. | ||
| He's a smart dude. | ||
| He's a very smart dude. | ||
| He has a kindle with him all the time. | ||
| Guy's constantly reading. | ||
| I've had some really heavy conversations with Frank Mayer. | ||
| And that's why he's so good at Jiu Jitsu. | ||
| He's got so much technique too because he's like an encyclopedia for shit. | ||
| The fact that he caught Noguera in that Kimura and broke his arm, the Jiu Jitsu world just exploded when that happened. | ||
| Frank Mir, not only did he, he did it when Noguera instigated the ground game because he had Frank Mir hurt and he wanted to finish him off. | ||
| And that just shows you what a bad motherfucker Frank Mir is. | ||
| That's crazy that he bested Noguera on the ground and finished him. | ||
| While dizzy. | ||
| While dizzy. | ||
| I mean, if that guy's not underrated... | ||
| Damn! | ||
| That's really fucking impressive. | ||
| Oh, he's got his positions for sure. | ||
| You know, I was cheering for Frank in that fight. | ||
| I was happy to see him win, you know, as a fan. | ||
| But I took no pleasure in seeing Noguera injured at all. | ||
| Not like that. | ||
| That was a rough one. | ||
| That was a really hard one to watch. | ||
| But Noguera's back. | ||
| Somebody told me Noguera's booked for a card coming up. | ||
| He's booked for a card coming up against Czech Congo. | ||
| Yeah, against Czech Congo. | ||
| So he shook it off, you know, against Noguera. | ||
| I don't care. | ||
| Yeah, I don't know how. | ||
| Wow, that's amazing, isn't it? | ||
| I mean, how the fuck did... | ||
| I don't know what they did. | ||
| They used plates or what. | ||
| I don't know how they put it back together again. | ||
| Yeah, that was fast, but good for them. | ||
| And Muir, he's going to go fight for the world title against Dos Santos, who I will never underestimate again. | ||
| I thought Dos Santos was dead in the water with Velasquez. | ||
| I thought it was a waste of a fight. | ||
| I couldn't believe... | ||
| I will never underestimate Dos Santos again. | ||
| He can throw heat, man. | ||
| He can throw heat. | ||
| You know, and I was really looking forward to him against Alistair. | ||
| Alistair and him would have been a very interesting fight, man. | ||
| Because Alistair is such a pure stand-up guy. | ||
| And Alistair is so good at incorporating leg kicks and knees. | ||
| He's got a real tight guard, especially now that he's so big. | ||
| He kind of like punches everything over, protects himself well. | ||
| He's a dangerous guy to anybody that has to enforce a stand-up strategy. | ||
| If you want to just go and box with that guy, he's got so many other tools other than just boxing. | ||
| And he's so technical with his attacks. | ||
| It's just, it sucks that he, you know, whatever his issue was, you know, he's saying I think that he got some medication that, you know, some doctor gave him that had testosterone and he didn't realize it and it fucked up his testosterone, the epitestosterone. | ||
| I don't know what happened. | ||
| I don't know the story behind it, but I guess he's suspended for like nine months now. | ||
| Something along those lines. | ||
| Well, that was interesting. | ||
| That whole case was interesting. | ||
| Yeah, let's jump off that topic as quick as we can. | ||
| But one thing about that, he took a substance test. | ||
| He took four. | ||
| Two of them were surprise tests. | ||
| No substance was ever found. | ||
| And he came forward later and kind of volunteered, hey, it looks like I might have taken some testosterone. | ||
| But that wasn't what the test showed. | ||
| The test didn't show anything. | ||
| It just said, hey, there's something with your TD ratio. | ||
| Let's try to figure out why this happened. | ||
| The media really got that wrong. | ||
| Well, here's what you've got to understand, Joe. | ||
| And I'm really glad you asked this. | ||
| Here's your T and E. Okay, here's your T and here's your E. So they're very close to epitestosterone. | ||
| And they're very close. | ||
| You know, they're usually even, one-to-one. | ||
| Some commissions allow a four-to-one or even a six-to-one difference. | ||
| But the reality is most are one-to-one. | ||
| Now, if your testosterone went up or if it went down... | ||
| That gap is your ratio. | ||
| With the same set, if your epi testosterone went up or went down, that gap is your ratio. | ||
| That's why it's a very disingenuous test. | ||
| So when a guy has a T to E that's elevated, the media immediately assumed that he took T. His T could have been in the gutter, his epi was at the norm, and he could have been unhealthily low. | ||
| Really? | ||
| There's no distinction? | ||
| It's extremely disingenuous. | ||
| You will never find an endocrinologist, not one in this country. | ||
| This is a challenge. | ||
| You won't find one. | ||
| No matter how disgruntled, you won't find one to come on and tell you that it's anything other than a disingenuous test for testosterone. | ||
| And these commissions are missing this left and right. | ||
| Really? | ||
| And it's absolutely horrible. | ||
| In some commissions, they give you just enough rope to hang yourself. | ||
| They say, listen, you're allowed. | ||
| Go ahead, take testosterone. | ||
| But make sure you're within the levels. | ||
| No, wait a minute. | ||
| That's not how it works. | ||
| There's a testosterone level. | ||
| You need to figure it out through taking blood. | ||
| Well, we can't afford that. | ||
| Well, you can't tell a guy he can take testosterone, but he can't elevate his T to E. So it's a financial issue as far as the accuracy of testing? | ||
| You have to understand this. | ||
| Alistair was 14 to 1. A guy could be 100 to 1 and still be within the legal limits. | ||
| A T to E ratio does not pertain to anything, and you won't find one expert. | ||
| Now, I didn't say a doctor. | ||
| I didn't say a doctor. | ||
| I said an endocrinologist, not one expert, to tell you differently. | ||
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| It's absolute junk science. | ||
| And it's only urine recognition that does this? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's where they look for it? | ||
| Yeah, it throws off your T to E. Well, his T could have been up, his T could have been down. | ||
| His E could have been down. | ||
| But listen, a guy has every right to manipulate his testosterone. | ||
| Every right. | ||
| The question is, how did he manipulate it? | ||
| Did he use a legal substance or an illegal substance? | ||
| And Alliser's test, four of them, two that were surprised, showed no substance was found. | ||
| Now, I understand if you and I's format right here, we're just two guys talking. | ||
| We can share our opinion. | ||
| But if you're a media member, if you sit behind a desk, you wear the suit, you collect a paycheck at the end of the night, you're branded an analyst by your affiliated network, you can't come out and say that he took testosterone when the test didn't show that. | ||
| He was never even accused of that. | ||
| And, you know, from Mark Cuban's tax write-off that nobody watches, those guys couldn't have missed the boat anymore. | ||
| They took pleasure in coming out and outing him for something that the commission never accused him of. | ||
| ESPN missed the boat. | ||
| Everybody got this wrong, and they were quick to say that, oh, he's taking testosterone. | ||
| Well, not according to the test. | ||
| In HDNet, I don't think it was anyone other than Boss. | ||
| Boss was pretty sure that he'd taken something. | ||
| And he's got his own thing, you know, Boss, with Golden Glories. | ||
| He's very loyal to Golden Glory, which I really admire with him. | ||
| But man, don't let that cross over. | ||
| If you're behind that desk, you've got to tell the story the way it happened, and they didn't. | ||
| It's hard, you know. | ||
| It's hard. | ||
| I've done commentary before for friends, and they didn't like what I said, you know, and they got mad at me. | ||
| And I would go, listen, man, I have to say what I see. | ||
| And if I see you're doing something, and then you get caught doing that, it's because I have to say it. | ||
| I have to tell people what to look for. | ||
| That's what commentary is. | ||
| I can't pretend that something different is happening so that you feel better about it when you listen to it, but then the million people who hear it are not getting an accurate account of what's going on. | ||
| That's... | ||
| We had this conversation, Joe, in a bar, you and I, in Boston, and you told me a line, and I've stolen it. | ||
| I've used it all the time because it's very accurate, where you simply said, if you don't see it, you can't say it. | ||
| You can't go out trying to hype a fight and go, this guy's stand-up looks great, if it doesn't. | ||
| If his stand-up looks shoddy, well, then his stand-up looks shoddy. | ||
| It's not your job to try to cover for him as an analyst. | ||
| And I've taken that with me. | ||
| And now I'm behind a desk in the suit. | ||
| And I took that one line, and I've educated other people to just simply with that one line, if you don't see it, don't say it. | ||
| Yeah, you have to let people know what your real opinion of it is while being respectful. | ||
| And that's where people don't understand. | ||
| If I'm accurate about something, it's not disrespectful. | ||
| It's just uncomfortable. | ||
| It might be uncomfortable for you, but to label it disrespectful, you're not saying... | ||
| I'm not saying there's anything wrong with you as a human. | ||
| I'm saying you might do a technique wrong. | ||
| You might have an opening. | ||
| It's not a disrespectful thing, but to a lot of fighters, your entire identity is wrapped up in what you do. | ||
| But you owe that to the viewer. | ||
| That's who's paying to hear you, not the fighter. | ||
| I can tell you, I thought I beat Michael Bisping. | ||
| I thought it was pretty clear. | ||
| It's very close. | ||
| You had a different opinion, and I never sent you a text or was upset with it. | ||
| You have your opinion, and when you're on the mic, it's your job to share that opinion. | ||
| You know, my opinion, but I should clarify that, my opinion actually changed when I watched it again. | ||
| When I watched it again, I thought your takedowns would have won it. | ||
| Yeah, I appreciate it. | ||
| You know, I had it the same way, and I'm pretty objective. | ||
| I'm not afraid to go, look, I pulled one out. | ||
| It's hard, though, when you're watching it live. | ||
| You know, quite honestly, I honestly get a better view of fights a lot of times from watching it at home. | ||
| The experience of watching it on pay-per-view is fucking great. | ||
| I mean, they always get to the right angle immediately. | ||
| It's never like, you know, sometimes I'll look up, and, you know, Herb Dean's right in front of me. | ||
| I can't see what's going on, or someone's in a post. | ||
| I don't know what's going on in the box. | ||
| Like when Alan Belcher and Husamar Paul Harris went at it. | ||
| When they first went to the ground, I didn't know that Belcher, he instigated that position from the shot. | ||
| He's the one who pulled him into that position, and I didn't realize it. | ||
| I thought that Paul Harris was diving on him, because I couldn't quite see what was going on. | ||
| So you do sometimes get a better view of a fight from watching it at home. | ||
| Sometimes you get hyped up in the moment, too. | ||
| It's hard to... | ||
| And off-topic, but speaking of Belcher, Dana gives a fight of the night. | ||
| Fight-er of the night easily was Alan Belcher. | ||
| You know, Pelhoris is scary. | ||
| He's flat-out scary. | ||
| Nobody wants to fight him because if it doesn't go well, you're going to sit out for six to eight months. | ||
| He's going to rip your legs apart. | ||
| Yeah, it can go really, really bad. | ||
| For the folks who don't know anything about the UFC or jiu-jitsu and you're just listening to this podcast, Paul Harris is one of the weirdest specialists in all of the UFC because his number one thing is ripping guys' knees apart. | ||
| It's terrifying. | ||
| Weird build, weird technique, hard to deal with. | ||
| Huge Hulk-looking dude. | ||
| Yeah, sure. | ||
| 5'8 and just built like a brick shithouse and just dives on your leg and rips it apart. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Horrific. | ||
| The way he wins, people are screaming in agony. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And, you know, Alan, God, Alan did a great job. | ||
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| I was happy for him. | ||
| And I'd like to see Pal Horace win, too, because, you know, of his backstory. | ||
| Everything he's overcoming, he's a great story, too. | ||
| Well, I'm a huge fan of technique. | ||
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| Paul Horace's technique. | ||
| It's not just his physical strength. | ||
| His technique is masterful. | ||
| He laces up leg locks on guys. | ||
| The way he hit Masenzio, the way he laces them up, it's so pure. | ||
| There's no fat in that technique. | ||
| I'm a fan of that, but I'm also a fan of a guy like Alan Belcher who just figures out how to deal with it. | ||
| I love that. | ||
| I love that he just works specifically with guys like Dean Lister. | ||
| Instead of saying, we want to avoid this, he was like, fuck this. | ||
| I'll go to the ground with this guy. | ||
| I don't care. | ||
| I'll go to the ground with him. | ||
| I think he blew his mind by doing that. | ||
| He blew his mind. | ||
| He blew mine. | ||
| When he started going for the Twister, I was like, if he taps Paul Horace, this would be the craziest fucking thing I've ever seen. | ||
| Yeah, because he talked about that in his interviews leading up. | ||
| I'll go to the ground. | ||
| I'll put him in an ankle lock. | ||
| I was like, sure. | ||
| How many guys say? | ||
| And then he went out and did it. | ||
| I mean, he didn't go for the ankle lock, but he went out and did it. | ||
| He backed up what he said. | ||
| Good for Belcher. | ||
| You know, Belcher's had moments where I watch him and go, you are amazing. | ||
| Yeah, he's a great guy, too. | ||
| And on a bad night, he's still very good. | ||
| But on a good night, that guy's amazing. | ||
| Good for Belcher. | ||
| Yeah, and he's had some tough times, you know, with his detached retina he had for a while, which is very scary, you know? | ||
| Imagine, I mean, you're a professional fighter and you start to lose your vision because of fighting, so they have to repair your eyeball. | ||
| And then, you know, you have to have the confidence and the courage to go back out there. | ||
| The drive. | ||
| And keep throwing leather and letting people punch you in that surgically repaired eyeball. | ||
| So he was off for a long time. | ||
| I mean, you know how hard you have to work to make up that ground of those six months you lost and now you've got another four before. | ||
| You've got to work double time, triple time. | ||
| It's incredible. | ||
| Just to catch up? | ||
| How long does it take just to catch up? | ||
| So happy to see Belcher doing well. | ||
| Yeah, just to get back to where you were. | ||
| No improvement in technique, no improvement in conditioning, just to try to catch up. | ||
| How long, like, does it take to develop the win for a five-round fight? | ||
| To, like, for a real, like, your rematch with Anderson Silva that you're training for, how long are you in, like, Peak, ridiculous, hard training to gear up for a five-round fight. | ||
| You know, the answer I give is a lifetime. | ||
| It's a lifetime. | ||
| I worked so hard until I was 23 and finished wrestling to go six minutes. | ||
| And it was so difficult to go six minutes at that pace of a wrestling match. | ||
| You know, now 15 minutes. | ||
| Oh my goodness, it's so hard. | ||
| When you start to break into those 25 minutes, I don't know if the human being is meant to do that. | ||
| You know, St. Pierre keeps taking a lot of criticism. | ||
| Well, the reality is you're asking him to do a monumental task, which is to go hard for 25 minutes. | ||
| It's an impossible task to ask somebody. | ||
| And there's a saying in boxing that if you go for the knockout, you will not win a decision. | ||
| And you need to make your choice now. | ||
| If I go for the kill, you know, Dan Henderson style, and you don't get it, and then you realize that Shogun's still alive and you've got to hang out for 25 minutes, it's not going to be a pretty 25 minutes. | ||
| What a crazy fight that was. | ||
| Yeah, you've got to pace, and a lot of people go, well, Dan Henderson's not in shape. | ||
| Well, that's not the case. | ||
| Dan Henderson's a human being. | ||
| And human beings get very tired when they go for the kill. | ||
| So you've got to plan it right. | ||
| And George does plan it right. | ||
| Now if you want to see an exciting fight, shorten the rounds. | ||
| And George will go crazy. | ||
| I guarantee it. | ||
| He did before. | ||
| So you think it's just a matter of the human body has to work too hard to fight at a high clip for five rounds? | ||
| You know, 25 minutes is just too much. | ||
| Nobody sprints for 25 minutes. | ||
| How would you have it? | ||
| I always felt like it's kind of interesting. | ||
| There's two schools of thought. | ||
| One of them is that MMA is more difficult than boxing, and maybe the rounds should be in shorter length. | ||
| But then the other school of thought is, but it takes a grappler a long time to get his opponent down. | ||
| To work so hard for a takedown and then only have like five seconds left on the clock, that's ridiculous. | ||
| You need a five-minute round at least. | ||
| You take a guy down within the first couple minutes, you have time to work. | ||
| You hold him down, you finish him. | ||
| You have time to work. | ||
| I hear you, but you know, the competitors in no sport set the rules. | ||
| It's the fans. | ||
| It's the audience that sets the rules. | ||
| But I mean, you are a fan as well. | ||
| You are a fan as well. | ||
| So as a fan, I mean, taking yourself out of the equation, just objectively with all the knowledge that you have, what would you think would be the better format? | ||
| Well... | ||
| This is how I would answer you. | ||
| Professional boxing is viewed to be very boring. | ||
| So they call boxing very boring. | ||
| Ah, boxing's so boring. | ||
| Well, that's not true. | ||
| Boxing's fantastic. | ||
| Go watch the amateurs. | ||
| It's three three-minute rounds. | ||
| They throw punches and flurries non-stop for nine minutes. | ||
| So boxing is very pleasing. | ||
| Professional boxing, where you're asking a guy to do 20... | ||
| 12 rounds at 3 minutes. | ||
| 36 minutes is unpleasing. | ||
| Commentators have developed this feeling out process. | ||
| There is no such thing. | ||
| It's an unwritten agreement. | ||
| You and I are going to go box. | ||
| You and I both know we can't go 36 minutes. | ||
| So I'm going to stand around and move around a little bit. | ||
| You're going to stand around and move around a little bit. | ||
| Once we get to round 5, Now we both can do seven rounds. | ||
| Let's go ahead and fight. | ||
| There is no such thing as a feeling out process in boxing. | ||
| I've boxed for years. | ||
| There's such a thing as surviving a ridiculous time frame that's put on you of a half of an hour. | ||
| And so if you have a guy hurt, but he's got a good chin, and you go for it, you're fucked. | ||
| You're screwed. | ||
| I mean, that is the saying. | ||
| That doesn't mean you're not going to find exceptions to the rule. | ||
| But yeah, the basic belief in boxing, and I believe it too, if you go for the finish, you will not win a decision. | ||
| Eddie Alvarez, does that name ring a bell? | ||
| He's over in Bolotar. | ||
| Eddie Alvarez talks about this. | ||
| You know, you got five rounds. | ||
| How are you going to do it? | ||
| Eddie says, I don't train for five rounds. | ||
| I train for two. | ||
| And Eddie Alvarez was like 32-2. | ||
| He had an amazing record, and he finished guy after guy, but he also had a totally different approach. | ||
| I'm going to go for the kill. | ||
| If I don't get it, yeah, I acknowledge I'm in trouble. | ||
| That's pretty wild. | ||
| But 32 men didn't have an answer for it. | ||
| And I really liked when Eddie said this. | ||
| He and I were in Bodog together, and I heard him say that and thought, ah, that's hyperbole. | ||
| And I started watching it. | ||
| I said, no, he's serious. | ||
| He trains to sprint and finish you, and he does guy after guy, and when it doesn't work, well, he's got problems. | ||
| Melvin Manhoff, I heard you bring him up earlier. | ||
| Melvin would do the same thing. | ||
| He's training for three minutes. | ||
| Yeah, three minutes of fury. | ||
| Well, that's one of the reasons I love K-1. | ||
| I love watching high-level kickboxing. | ||
| It's three rounds. | ||
| Big matches are three rounds. | ||
| I used to love watching those three-round K-1 fights, because It's about all those guys could take. | ||
| The way they were going at it, the clip that they were fighting at. | ||
| I mean, if you go back and watch Jerome LeBanner versus Peter Ertz, they're just fucking swinging at each other. | ||
| And they take turns knocking each other down. | ||
| Ertz knocks down LeBanner with a high kick, and then LeBanner starches Ertz with a left hook. | ||
| Both guys had just got fucking waylaid on each other. | ||
| They kick like you'd swing a baseball bat. | ||
| I mean, it's just violent. | ||
| You know, hey, speaking of the K-1 and guys that did well, what's up with Bob Sapp? | ||
| Now, these aren't real fights he's going to do in these countries, right? | ||
| Is the opponent in on the gag? | ||
| Like this guy that hits him after the bell for five seconds? | ||
| You know, Puginowski's a gentleman. | ||
| He's a sportsman. | ||
| He's going to punch somebody after the bell. | ||
| Unless in the back you worked it out. | ||
| Hey, let me cover up and then act mad about it. | ||
| I mean, come on. | ||
| That whole thing looks so fugazi. | ||
| That couldn't be real. | ||
| Bob Sapp gets a paycheck. | ||
| I mean, this is my opinion. | ||
| It doesn't look good. | ||
| The whole thing was bad. | ||
| And I think what made it worse was when Puginowski kept hitting him after the bell. | ||
| Like, come on, Puginowski. | ||
| You're not going to do that. | ||
| Unless you know this looks awful. | ||
| It's like when Dan Severn and Shannon Rich did their work. | ||
| You know, Dan... | ||
| Come on, man. | ||
| You're caught on this. | ||
| This is brutal. | ||
| This is brutal. | ||
| And your interviews after the fact are worse than the poor job you did in the ring at fooling people. | ||
| I didn't see that fight. | ||
| Oh, you didn't see it? | ||
| Do you know what a roundoff is from gymnastics? | ||
| It's a gymnastics. | ||
| It's like a handspring. | ||
| It's a handspring and you'll usually turn. | ||
| Dan Severin hit one of those in the fight. | ||
| I'll just let you know that. | ||
| Shannon did something, and Dan Severin hits a round off in the middle of the ring, and he stumbles. | ||
| Oh, God. | ||
| It was so bad, Joey. | ||
| What? | ||
| And then after the match, they do their interviews, and Dan Severin's cover-up of the work was worse than the work. | ||
| Well, I was just fortunate to get over on Shannon Rich. | ||
| He's such a great competitor. | ||
| You know, Shannon Rich has never won a fight. | ||
| Dan Severin was a former multiple-time world champion. | ||
| You know, absolutely legendary in our sport. | ||
| I was just fortunate to have a good enough training camp to get... | ||
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Wow. | |
| Dan, you gotta stop, man. | ||
| You gotta stop. | ||
| We've all been in the locker room and Shannon Rich walks in and says, who wants the night off? | ||
| Alright, Shannon, I guess I'll take you. | ||
| This isn't a secret in the industry, Dan. | ||
| Come on. | ||
| You got caught. | ||
| Just call it what it is. | ||
| Wow, that's weird. | ||
| He always did a lot of pro wrestling as well, didn't he? | ||
| Yeah, horribly. | ||
| I mean, he got a stint in the WWE and they just couldn't use him. | ||
| They said, look, you gotta go. | ||
| Just not entertaining enough. | ||
| He just didn't get it. | ||
| He couldn't work. | ||
| If you watch his Shannon match and you see how bad he did it, it was so bad, man. | ||
| It was so bad. | ||
| This was the brilliance of pride. | ||
| And I get heat when I talk about Vandalay and Crow Cop doing their fake matches. | ||
| In America, if you're going to do a pro wrestling match, both guys will sit in the back and they'll come up with what they're going to do. | ||
| They call it their spots. | ||
| Okay, you do this and I'll do that. | ||
| In Pride, what they would do is the promoter would visit one locker room. | ||
| So if you're going to take on Vandelay or Cro Cop, you know, you're... | ||
| Promoter shows up. | ||
| Boom, here's your $10,000 and here's how this fight's going to end. | ||
| Vandelay isn't privy to that. | ||
| So when the guy goes down, his celebration is genuine because he doesn't know that the guy got his locker room visit. | ||
| It's the same thing with Krokop that thought one leg cemetery and one leg hospital. | ||
| No, Krokop, your legs aren't knocking people out. | ||
| The promoter visited the back beforehand. | ||
| That's what's knocking out. | ||
| And then I made this public. | ||
| I outed these guys because I don't like either one of them. | ||
| There were absolutely some legit knockouts. | ||
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For sure. | |
| Like Vandele and Krokop, the second fight. | ||
| Oh, sure, when he kicked his head. | ||
| Yeah, I remember that fight. | ||
| I enjoyed their first fight, too, when Vandele won. | ||
| I think they called it a draw. | ||
| It was a draw. | ||
| But Vandele won, you know, per our scoring system. | ||
| Yeah, I agree. | ||
| You know, but as soon as I said, also, Goodridge and Coleman, all these guys going, yeah, he's right. | ||
| It was a bunch of payoffs. | ||
| Well, there had to be Takata and Coleman. | ||
| It's like, yeah, I mean, come on. | ||
| Remember Takata and Coleman? | ||
| You didn't have to put on your Columbo rain jacket to figure this out, you know. | ||
| Excuse me. | ||
| Pardon me. | ||
| Excuse me, how come I'm 22-0 in Japan and can't win two straight in America? | ||
| They offered Eddie a fixed fight. | ||
| Let me let you know. | ||
| Eddie Bravo? | ||
| Eddie Bravo got offered by a... | ||
| To win or lose? | ||
| To win, rather. | ||
| To beat Tokoro. | ||
| They were going to have it set up. | ||
| Meanwhile, it could have been a double cross where he goes there and he thinks Tokoro is going to lay down and Tokoro beats his shit out of him. | ||
| That's what we call the screwjob finish, Joe. | ||
| The Montreal screwjob is what we call that. | ||
| Yeah, there's a word for it in the professional pool, too. | ||
| I think it's a double dump. | ||
| I think you dump both ways. | ||
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Ah, I see. | |
| Is that what it is? | ||
| Yeah, because pool has a real hard problem with that. | ||
| Like, say, if I'm a pool player and you're a rich guy, I say, listen, Chael, I got a fucking game and I can't go wrong here, buddy. | ||
| I am robbing this guy. | ||
| Come on, let's put up 500 bucks and let's make some money. | ||
| And I go to him and I go, listen, here's the deal. | ||
| I'm going to lose and we'll just fucking... | ||
| Split this 70-30 and cut it up right now. | ||
| We got ourselves a big chunk of cash. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| And so there's no real match going on in the first place. | ||
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Sure. | |
| They had already decided that they were going to dump and they were going to split up this guy's money. | ||
| That's him and a friend got together and they pretended to be rivals so they could gamble. | ||
| And he would dump to this guy. | ||
| I can't fucking make a ball. | ||
| I don't know what's going on. | ||
| Sure, sure. | ||
| They just cut up that dude's money. | ||
| Typical Diggstown hustle. | ||
| And then, you know, the two of them get together after the show and split up half that guy's money. | ||
| Or 70%, whatever they agreed upon. | ||
| Different guys would make different deals. | ||
| But it was always a big problem to the point where they had... | ||
| The only time Vegas allowed them to gamble on pool ever, they set it up so it was one of their big tournaments. | ||
| And all they did was they found who was the number one guy least likely to win. | ||
| 41 odds? | ||
| Okay. | ||
| We're all going to let that guy win. | ||
| We're just going to gamble all of our money and fucking get paid. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Allegedly. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Allegedly. | ||
| Well, that's unfortunate that happens. | ||
| I mean, I can see where that would happen. | ||
| But that is unfortunate, because in some weird walk of society, that is sport. | ||
| That does involve timing and accuracy and training. | ||
| So it's unfortunate when guys do that. | ||
| But I think I get it. | ||
| I mean, I guess I understand it. | ||
| I can understand betting on yourself. | ||
| I can understand if you're some wild motherfucker like Bernard Hopkins who says, I'm going to go bet $100,000 on myself. | ||
| Because that's how much I know I'm going to win this fight. | ||
| I like that. | ||
| I don't like the option of doing it the other way. | ||
| Betting on your opponent? | ||
| Betting on your opponent and taking a dive. | ||
| The fact that that's possible... | ||
| You know, the fact that you could get your friend to do it. | ||
| The fact that there have been unethical dumps before, without a doubt. | ||
| No doubt about it. | ||
| I mean, we all know of them. | ||
| I don't know if you've ever bet on a UFC fight, but I don't know if you haven't, then you wouldn't know this. | ||
| But the way it works, you know, in a lot of gambling halls, you would imagine, well, if I show up, it's four to one odds, and I put 50 grand down, I got 50 grand at four to one. | ||
| It doesn't work that way. | ||
| If you go to bet at a sportsbook in Vegas on a UFC, this isn't the same for everything, but for UFC, because there's not enough money coming in, you can only bet X amount at a time. | ||
| Then they reset the line, and then you've got to bet it again. | ||
| How much is the number? | ||
| Well, I bet on Henderson when he fought Vandele. | ||
| Now, this was a number of years, I think 2006, could have been 2007. They only let me bet $500. | ||
| Henderson was a 3-to-1 underdog, so I go $500, $500, and I got to my $3,000 limit, and I had to go to three different casinos. | ||
| Now, I'm quite sure with the influx of the sport that it'd be closer to $10,000, but I'm quite sure it's not over. | ||
| How confident were you, though? | ||
| That's pretty fucking badass. | ||
| Just keep going to casino after casino. | ||
| I felt good. | ||
| It was good, you know. | ||
| And, you know, that's when Vandal, I mean, nobody could beat Vandal. | ||
| He had that reputation like Mike Tyson was hanging on to for a while. | ||
| You know, but you're talking about Dan Henderson. | ||
| You're talking about one of the baddest dudes to ever live. | ||
| He's a fucking tank. | ||
| He's something else, man. | ||
| And I knew it was going to be a good fight, too. | ||
| I didn't know it was going to be a walk in the park. | ||
| But you've got to bet on your guy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, you know, Henderson is a fucking tank, man. | ||
| He's a tank. | ||
| He's one of those dudes where you pat him on the back and it feels like there's something wrong. | ||
| Like, why are you so dense? | ||
| Right. | ||
| Like, what the fuck is this? | ||
| And he turns around to look at you all stiff. | ||
| You can hardly move. | ||
| If his teeth are out. | ||
| Oh, hey, what are you doing? | ||
| You know, gives you some insult of some sort that's his way of saying hello. | ||
| You know, some mean-spirited knock that for some reason is charming when he does it. | ||
| That's how I saw him. | ||
| He goes, what, did you get another fucking tattoo? | ||
| I go, you sound like my mom's. | ||
| He always has something mean as his greeting. | ||
| This is my favorite Dan Henderson story. | ||
| We were in Caroline's Comedy Club in New York, and there was this guy that was heckling. | ||
| He wouldn't shut the fuck up. | ||
| And I go, listen, man, if you don't shut the fuck up, I'm going to have Dan Henderson come over here and hold you down while he fucks your girlfriend. | ||
| The crowd goes nuts. | ||
| And Dan goes, why would I hold him down when I could just stare him down? | ||
| I'm telling you, the fucking place erupted. | ||
| The fucking place erupted, and it was like one of the creepiest things I ever heard a man say to another man ever. | ||
| Like, you could see the dude just wanted to crawl out of the room and just hide somewhere. | ||
| The feeling of looking over at that fucking savage after he just says something like that to you, and you're like, oh, let it change. | ||
| Let me get out of here. | ||
| Well, and Henderson broke etiquette. | ||
| There's an etiquette amongst men. | ||
| If one guy's with a girl and one guy's not, you're always wrong. | ||
| You let him look like a hero. | ||
| Then it comes back to you someday. | ||
| Well, I think in that situation, there was 350 fucking people in that crowd. | ||
| That guy was a jackass. | ||
| He was drunk. | ||
| Dan Henderson was there, and he was like, I'll shut this fucking dummy up. | ||
| Oh, I like it. | ||
| It's a beautiful line. | ||
| Yeah, essentially trumped my heckler comment. | ||
| I had shut him down. | ||
| And then Henderson came along and put the nuclear bomb on top of it. | ||
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Right. | |
| He put the verbal H-bomb. | ||
| The verbal H-bomb on top of it. | ||
| That's good work by Dan. | ||
| It was very good work. | ||
| On the spot like that, the best line you could have ever written. | ||
| You can't write anything creepier than that. | ||
| Why would I hold him down when I could just stare him down? | ||
| A guy has to think like that. | ||
| In order to have that thought in his head, in order to be able to say that verbally, I mean, if you're going to be a writer and you're going to come up with that, it might take you six hours alone doing cocaine and drinking coffee to pretend you're the type of guy that would think that way, to have that line come out of your character's mouth. | ||
| It took Dan Henderson one half of one second. | ||
| He just waited forever. | ||
| Well, this is the same guy that volunteered to fight Dos Santos three weeks ago to move up arguably two-way. | ||
| You know, because truly, he's a middleweight. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He chooses to fight at light heavyweight. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He doesn't like cutting weight. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So truly, he'd be going up two-way. | ||
| Yeah, anyway. | ||
| Yeah, he's great. | ||
| He's a fucking animal. | ||
| He's something else, man. | ||
| He's an animal. | ||
| And those guys, they almost all come from wrestling. | ||
| The guys like that Henderson stock, there's guys that can push through pain and then there's wrestlers. | ||
| There's another level of mental strength, of the ability to endure. | ||
| And what you were talking about going through when you were a kid, like being malnourished and fucking traveling on buses and wherever the hell you're going to these different wrestlers. | ||
| Not getting enough sleep. | ||
| Not getting enough sleep. | ||
| And you have to do schoolwork as well. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And how difficult all that is. | ||
| The mental toughness that wrestlers develop from that ridiculous... | ||
| First of all, from fucking cutting weight all the time. | ||
| Just to be able to... | ||
| People like to feel good when they compete. | ||
| They like to feel great and charged up and confident. | ||
| I had so many friends when I was wrestling that would be like... | ||
| There was this kid named Mark Collins who was a really good wrestler. | ||
| Really, really good. | ||
| But he would cut down to like 118 pounds. | ||
| He was a little guy anyway, but he would cut down like, maybe I'm exaggerating, maybe it was like 120 something. | ||
| We were in high school, whatever the fuck it was. | ||
| It used to be 118. Was it 118? | ||
| It used to be. | ||
| But the fucking guy was never happy. | ||
| He would always just have this dour look on his face. | ||
| Life sucked. | ||
| He was just walking around, just always hungry. | ||
| It stunted my friend Steve's growth. | ||
| My friend Steve, all of his brothers are like 6'2", 6'1", 6'3", big fucking guys. | ||
| He's 5'6". | ||
| Because all throughout high school, just fucking dieting. | ||
| Going through regular wrestling and then going off to camps and never allowed to actually eat full meals for a normal long period of time and grow like a normal man. | ||
| It's like he essentially grew up impoverished. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You know? | ||
| Yeah, and it's tough. | ||
| You know, you talk about how hard the weight cut is, and for us, for our sport of MMA, it's a 24-hour weigh-in. | ||
| I mean, you weigh in, the show starts 24 hours later. | ||
| In wrestling, it's a one-hour weigh-in. | ||
| And not only that, Joe, the national tournament, the whole reason you wrestle, is a three-day tournament with three weigh-ins. | ||
| So you weigh in, you do two matches, you cut weight that night, you weigh in again, you do two matches, you cut weight that night, you come back for the championship. | ||
| God. | ||
| Yeah, so you're talking guys that aren't sleeping. | ||
| They're cut, wait, non-stop, boom, time to wrestle. | ||
| I mean, how do you do it? | ||
| And it really is where the rubber meets the road. | ||
| Sometimes the best wrestler that had the best season, 35-0, will not even place at the national tournament because where he used to weigh in, have 24 hours, get on the mat, he'd win a dual meet. | ||
| Tournament style, one hour weighing, you're on the mat. | ||
| Next morning, weighing again. | ||
| And so is that indicative of a style of competing? | ||
| Some guys, like Frankie Edgar, don't cut any weight at all. | ||
| Other guys, is that the case in wrestling as well? | ||
| Some guys would try to cut the most amount of weight, but other guys would think that the best way to do it was be entirely healthy and just be natural and deal with a guy who's larger. | ||
| Yeah, you see that all the time. | ||
| And there's some guys that, well, I got a little bit more speed. | ||
| This guy, he's going to come in the ring at 220. I'm going to come in at 204. But I'm going to be a little bit faster than him. | ||
| And that's where Dan Henderson's made a living. | ||
| Dan Henderson's beat multiple heavyweight world champions. | ||
| One from Big Nog to Fedor. | ||
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Those are heavyweights, but he used that little bit of speed. | |
| Didn't he get armbarred by Big Nog? | ||
| Yes, he absolutely did, but that was the rematch. | ||
| He fought him in a tournament called King of Rings. | ||
| Okay, so that wasn't really MMA? Like, you weren't allowed to do certain things, like strike on the ground, right? | ||
| Well, there was some stuff that was held back, and you could strike on the ground. | ||
| I want to say it was open palm. | ||
| You know, open palm. | ||
| Definitely no soccer kicks or pride rules. | ||
| But, I mean, it was considered... | ||
| I considered MMA, absolutely. | ||
| He fought Gilbert Ivoque, because when you're on your feet, you can do everything. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| It was something about, with the takedown, I believe it was an open palm to the head. | ||
| Isn't that crazy when you see old Boss Rutten-style pancrease fights? | ||
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Sure. | |
| What a weird fucking hybrid of the two. | ||
| For folks who don't know, you were allowed to kick with, you know, you had these boots on that had shin pads on them, but you weren't allowed to punch to the face. | ||
| Instead, you could slap people. | ||
| Full blast! | ||
| And Boss Rutten figured out a way how to pull his hand back. | ||
| Way far. | ||
| And when he would throw, I don't know, I can't even bend my hand back the way he would do it. | ||
| And he would essentially be punching you with his palms. | ||
| Yeah, the palm strike. | ||
| Yeah, he got so good at just punching, throwing, like, punching techniques in the palms. | ||
| Whereas everybody else had kind of, like, they hadn't figured that out yet. | ||
| And they were slapping each other. | ||
| Yeah, Boss was a master of that. | ||
| I loved watching Boss's old fights over there. | ||
| But some of those were fugazi, too. | ||
| You know, some of that pancreas stuff you'd watch. | ||
| You'd go, no, wait a minute. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Come on. | ||
| No doubt. | ||
| No doubt. | ||
| There was definitely some fixed fights. | ||
| It's weird that some guys don't want to admit that, but now I think they should. | ||
| I think they kind of owe it to history. | ||
| You know, we know that there was a lot of real fights for sure, but there was no question about it. | ||
| There were some that were a little funky. | ||
| You know, but that goes back to the point I made earlier that both guys aren't necessarily in on it in Japan. | ||
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| You know, Krokop, those guys really think they won, and if you tell them they did it, I mean, you're talking about really hurting a guy's feelings. | ||
| He'll get fighting mad over that, and you go, hey, listen, Eventually, history will come out and show itself for what it is. | ||
| That's really hard because I don't know all those guys' names, but Krokop fought one guy that wore a pro wrestling mask. | ||
| He is a pro wrestler. | ||
| He wrestles under the name of... | ||
| Dos Karos? | ||
| Yes, Alberto Del Rio. | ||
| But of course, you already know that. | ||
| That's what he comes out and says. | ||
| He's a very funny guy. | ||
| And he's talked about it a lot. | ||
| Yeah, they brought me around. | ||
| I don't think about it. | ||
| I've got to fight this Crow Cop. | ||
| Eventually, he's going to throw a head kick and I've got to make it look real. | ||
| You know, he's talked about it. | ||
| Crow Cop, he'd be stunned to hear that. | ||
| I believe. | ||
| I believe Crow Cop did not know. | ||
| That these were fake. | ||
| Now, I didn't have that realization when I first outed him. | ||
| I came to, when he responded, I thought, you know what? | ||
| He's either an Academy Award winner or he truly doesn't know. | ||
| And then you start to hear from some other guys where they go, look, you didn't always know. | ||
| The promoter come to your locker room. | ||
| So that wrestling guy, when Krokop kicked him though, he really fucking kicked that guy in the head. | ||
| It's just the guy sort of like just took it? | ||
| Yeah, and the guy's just got to go down and boom, the referee was bleeding. | ||
| Remember when blood was coming through the mask? | ||
| Well, is that the same guy? | ||
| Yeah, and if it wasn't, if it was fake, what a fucking great touch. | ||
| Because the mask, if they had like a little blood packet there, and when Krokop slaps it, blood comes out. | ||
| I mean, what a great touch that would be. | ||
| But, you know, you see a kick come and you go, okay, this is the one I got paid for. | ||
| You take it. | ||
| It can cause a kick. | ||
| I had a buddy that went down. | ||
| He was by no means doing a dive. | ||
| He was just ready to quit. | ||
| He just wanted out of there. | ||
| And fighters will do this a lot where something's not going right and it's time to go home. | ||
| And, you know, usually the rear naked choke is the big one for, hey, get me out of here. | ||
| So my buddy decides that he's going to go down on a fake knockout. | ||
| So we're in Bodog in Costa Rica. | ||
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| Dan, this guy named Dan Stevenson, the big Viking guy, used to fight in the UFC a couple times. | ||
| Dan Christensen, is that what his name was? | ||
| Anyway, Dan throws the punch. | ||
| My buddy Jeremiah goes down. | ||
| The punch missed. | ||
| Jeremiah goes down. | ||
| But the referee, Troy Waugh, doesn't catch it in time. | ||
| So now my buddy who's out cold, well now Dan Christensen is going to come down for the finish because the ref hasn't called it. | ||
| So my buddy who's pretending to be, has to come back to life. | ||
| He has to come back to life to lay there and go for TKO. So when you watch the replay, you're like, wait a minute. | ||
| Thought you were out cold. | ||
| How come when he came down? | ||
| It was pretty bad. | ||
| You see that stuff all the time. | ||
| And that's not to say the sports fugazi. | ||
| That's competition. | ||
| What you're trying to do, what I'm trying to do when I'm fighting, is make the other guy quit. | ||
| What he has to do when he's ready to quit is make it look like he got... | ||
| That's just part of it. | ||
| And nobody wants to talk about that. | ||
| In fact, one guy did. | ||
| One guy talked about it in Ohio. | ||
| I can't think of what his name was. | ||
| A former UFC fighter Rashad kicked him in the head. | ||
| Sean Salomon. | ||
| That's what his name is. | ||
| Sean talked about this. | ||
| This wasn't my night. | ||
| I gave him an arm and I tapped out and got out of there. | ||
| He was very candid. | ||
| He got in trouble for it. | ||
| He got in candid because they thought he was throwing a fight. | ||
| But what he was doing was he was letting people into the psyche of an athlete who's breaking. | ||
| He's breaking, and it's an ugly, deep secret, and we've all done it as athletes, whether it's in practice or in the ring, and we're greatly shameful of it. | ||
| So what he did is he just let people in and go, look, this is what happened. | ||
| I broke down mentally. | ||
| The commissioner comes out and suspends him for it. | ||
| He's like, well, commissioner, obviously you've never competed. | ||
| We can see that. | ||
| Yeah, that's ridiculous. | ||
| That is exactly what it is when a guy gives up an arm. | ||
| He's trying to save himself. | ||
| Yeah, he's trying to save himself. | ||
| He's saving a little dignity. | ||
| Oh, I got caught. | ||
| Yeah, that is an issue. | ||
| The real issue of people regulating athleticism where they don't understand the psychology behind being an athlete, especially a combat athlete. | ||
| There was an issue that I had, and we don't want to name any names here, but it was when someone had questioned you about you fake tapping against Paul Ophelia. | ||
| My take on that is for you to ask a man what he's thinking right then in the middle of an incredibly emotional situation where he's losing a fight, he knows it's over, he got locked up in it, and he's thinking there's got to be a fucking way out of this. | ||
| There's got to be a way. | ||
| You want to win so bad, you say something that you're ashamed of later. | ||
| But to say that... | ||
| That thing that you were ashamed of that you did represents your character or your sensibilities or your honesty, I think is a bit disingenuous. | ||
| To be judged in that moment, in that vulnerable, awful, devastating moment, is not right. | ||
| Especially for someone who has... | ||
| When you have competed at a high level for a number of years like you have, it's almost like you could be considered almost like a slightly crazy person. | ||
| Like your fanaticism for victory, your need to compete and excel. | ||
| The only way to get really fucking good is you've got to be a little crazy. | ||
| You just have to be. | ||
| And you've got to want to fucking win. | ||
| You can't be happy with any other result. | ||
| You cannot be happy or you won't achieve success. | ||
| Your full potential. | ||
| And that sometimes equates to people fucking up. | ||
| It sometimes equates to breaking. | ||
| It equates to mental lapses. | ||
| It equates to a lot of different things. | ||
| You know, I had to respond to that. | ||
| I had a person, again, let's make sure we keep him on name, but he wanted a response to that. | ||
| I'm going, geez, you know, if I'm to be candid with you... | ||
| If I get tapped out in front of a sold-out audience that was aired on live, worldwide television, and I then lie about doing it, the only person I'm lying to is myself. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| If I'm trying to fool someone, if I'm in denial, and me, I could be anybody. | ||
| I could be Chael, or I could be Fighter X. But if he's doing that, if a person, look, the only person you're lying to is yourself. | ||
| Did the guy file a complaint with the commission? | ||
| Well, that's within the rules. | ||
| You know, what did the guy do? | ||
| If he's forcing you to make a ruling, go ahead. | ||
| But, you know, like you said, and let's also not forget. | ||
| When you file a complaint, how much of that is gamesmanship because you're trying to get a rematch anyway and the whole game is about making more money? | ||
| I'll tell you what, Joe, in my entire career, I couldn't name one person that's ever filed a complaint. | ||
| I know they've been filed, but I literally couldn't tell you one guy that's done it. | ||
| And I know some guys think, hey, listen, there was a misapplication of the rules. | ||
| I really like a review, and I understand that. | ||
| But again, I couldn't state a case for you. | ||
| But there's other things, like the First Amendment. | ||
| I've got the right to say I didn't tap in any single fight that I want. | ||
| The second one fight ends, the marketing for the next fight begins. | ||
| And if a fighter chooses to do that, he's got everywhere. | ||
| There's nothing within the rules of a commission to say what a guy is going to say in his post-fight interview. | ||
| That's silly. | ||
| So you will say, you're essentially admitting that you will say untruthful things just in order to keep the hype going. | ||
| And that people should not misinterpret. | ||
| This is a blurry line. | ||
| Yeah, for me... | ||
| Me? | ||
| No. | ||
| The pro wrestling blurry line there. | ||
| I'm not saying that for me. | ||
| But if I'm saying me, I just mean an athlete in general. | ||
| It could be any sport. | ||
| But first off, an athlete is not under oath. | ||
| So he can come out and say whatever he wants. | ||
| He's just a person. | ||
| And secondly, if one competition ends, it could be baseball or fighting or whatever. | ||
| The makings and the matchmaking and the shuffling and the politicking for the next event begins. | ||
| And for somebody to come in and want an answer for that and try to attempt to regulate you is beyond inappropriate. | ||
| I would want to say it's illegal. | ||
| Again, it comes down to First Amendment. | ||
| The guy can say whatever he wants. | ||
| In a post-fight interview or post-match interview or game or whatever it is. | ||
| I want to take myself out of this now, person in general. | ||
| Come on, he can say whatever he wants. | ||
| Especially if you're considering that part of you as an athlete to be sort of performance art. | ||
| You're actually, you have an act. | ||
| I mean, and that act enhances your overall brand. | ||
| I mean, when you go out there and you talk a bunch of crazy shit, whether or not you believe in it, and people start talking about you, it becomes monetarily advantageous to do that. | ||
| You make more money that way. | ||
| Brock Lesnar. | ||
| I think a perfect example, UFC 100, all of his fights. | ||
| Brock was always fun to listen to. | ||
| You want to know who else is fun? | ||
| It's Quentin Jackson. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Quentin finishes a fight. | ||
| We all sit there in the living room. | ||
| Wait, wait, wait. | ||
| Quentin's about to talk. | ||
| And he says something funny, whether he gives you a hard time or inviting people to an after party. | ||
| It's funny, and that's part of the show that people paid for. | ||
| So that's not to say a fighter or, again, any athlete has to do that. | ||
| But if he chooses to, he's got to be considered outside the scope of the regulatory body. | ||
| I mean, talk about them overstepping. | ||
| That's beyond inappropriate. | ||
| Well, I certainly think you should be able to ask a guy after he's fucking taking a shower and tell us what happened. | ||
| I fucked up. | ||
| I said I didn't tap. | ||
| I was just losing my mind in there. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| But even if he doesn't, if he wants to take it to the grave, let's not forget the guy doesn't owe you anything. | ||
| He's not under a subpoena. | ||
| He owes you nothing, including the truth, if that's his choice. | ||
| So for a government official, because that's how this started. | ||
| You were talking about a government... | ||
| For a government official to get involved and act as though he's going to suspend or uphold somebody's license because he didn't like something that he said in the media is inappropriate. | ||
| I agree. | ||
| Now, what happened to you? | ||
| I'm fascinated personally by... | ||
| Big leaps in development. | ||
| I'm always fascinated when you hear about a guy, well, yeah, he was a blue belt, and then something happened, and he went to a few seminars, and before you know it, he's fucking killing everybody at the Mundiales. | ||
| You went from, was it UFC 60 that you fought Jeremy Horn? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You were having some tough fights, man. | ||
| I'm very impressed that you know that, by the way. | ||
| Good job. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| You see a lot of shows. | ||
| I can't remember where my fucking car keys are, but I'll tell you a random UFC fact. | ||
| I have no idea where I put my cell phone. | ||
| But you fought Jeremy Horn and then was... | ||
| Something happened between then and when you had a resurgence, which was, say, what do you attribute your resurgence to? | ||
| Like, what year do you think it really started? | ||
| I know where you're going with this, and let me jump ahead. | ||
| You know, what you're saying is, hey, I had some major submission problems, and all of a sudden I started submitting some guys. | ||
| Well, not just that, man. | ||
| You became a more confident guy. | ||
| I don't want to say... | ||
| I mean, the way you presented yourself, I should say. | ||
| You got way better at marketing yourself, and you started fucking dominating top five. | ||
| It's like you hit your own, you had a personal wall, and you got through that fucking thing. | ||
| You got through that fucking thing, and you made a big leap. | ||
| When you fought Nate Marquardt, I think that was the fight that really opened up a lot of people's eyes. | ||
| It's like, whoa, Chael Sonnen's a motherfucker. | ||
| I remember me and Eddie Bravo had dinner after that, and everyone was like, How about that power double? | ||
| Goddamn! | ||
| It's like Nate could not keep you off of him, and we were thinking about it, and it was like, wow, what a nightmare. | ||
| It's like you had figured out a way to get all of your potential out inside the octagon. | ||
| What happened? | ||
| I appreciate that. | ||
| And, you know, you don't know in training either. | ||
| For me, I had a fight with Yushin Okami. | ||
| He was ranked number two in the world, and I was just one of those guys that was kind of looked at as a top ten. | ||
| That was right before I fought Nate Morka, and it gave me a lot of confidence. | ||
| But here's what happened, Joe. | ||
| I have never lost a round of fighting. | ||
| And when I say that sometimes, a guy will laugh, you know, because I've lost some fights. | ||
| But I've never lost a round. | ||
| I've never had a fight where a judge ever scored a round against me until my last match with Bisping. | ||
| So at the point of your story, though, I sit down one day and I'm looking at it. | ||
| I'm at SureDog.com. | ||
| I bring myself up. | ||
| I'm looking at my record. | ||
| I've won every round I've ever fought. | ||
| I've never been in a tough fight. | ||
| I've never had stitches. | ||
| I've never broken it. | ||
| I've dominated everybody. | ||
| And I've lost eight fights. | ||
| And I lost all of them by submission. | ||
| And I lost all of them in the second round. | ||
| And I'm staring at that on the computer. | ||
| I'm staring at these numbers like a CEO would his spreadsheet. | ||
| And I'm saying, there's something going on here, and it's not physical. | ||
| There's something going on that I can dominate eight minutes of a fight, seven minutes of a fight, nine minutes of a fight, and find a way out time after time after time in the same round with the same move. | ||
| And so I went and got help. | ||
| I went and got professional help. | ||
| And I sought out a doctor, Ed Versteg. | ||
| I hate talking about this because this was a real turning point for me is when I went in, worked on sports psychology, got hypnotized. | ||
| I was never the same. | ||
| I was never the same in practice. | ||
| My attitude was different. | ||
| Controlling my diet, being disciplined, falling asleep, the way I approached battle, the way I approached the second round. | ||
| Everything changed. | ||
| And it changed to the point where I hate to say what I just said and now it's too late. | ||
| Because I felt like it was my secret. | ||
| I discovered something. | ||
| And I don't want other people to know. | ||
| I'll write about it someday in a book. | ||
| I'll talk about it when I'm retired. | ||
| But I'm not going to tell anybody because it's competitive edge. | ||
| And when I started seeing a sports psychologist, when I finally came clean, it was like being an alcoholic. | ||
| Before you can get help, you've got to admit you have a problem. | ||
| And when I finally admitted I got a problem, when I finally said it, when I finally could acknowledge and look somebody and tell them, this is what's going on. | ||
| I'm finding a way to lose as opposed to win. | ||
| I work harder than these guys. | ||
| I've been at this longer. | ||
| I'm losing. | ||
| I know how to stop submissions. | ||
| I'm finding my way into them. | ||
| I'm finding a way out. | ||
| And that's what's happening. | ||
| And I had to acknowledge that. | ||
| And once I did it, I never lost again. | ||
| I lost to Paulo, which was the controversial one. | ||
| I lost to Anderson after dominating him. | ||
| I've never been beat since I saw this doctor. | ||
| That's incredible. | ||
| Now, Joe, let me ask you a question. | ||
| Are you ever allowed to give a shout-on in the show? | ||
| Like, do you ever say hi to anybody? | ||
| Like, if I was to say, hi, Brittany, because my girlfriend just texted me since she's watching the show, and I mention the name Brittany to earn myself special points, is that going to tick you off? | ||
| Not at all. | ||
| I'm not even going to say Brittany if it's going to be like a cheap plug and you're going to get mad. | ||
| I'll do it. | ||
| Hello, Brittany. | ||
| Thanks for tuning in. | ||
| Thank you, buddy. | ||
| You're welcome, pal. | ||
| Very nice of you. | ||
| That's a beautiful story, man. | ||
| I knew there must have been something on the mental side. | ||
| Because, you know, I remember, as you do, that the Yushin Okami fight was an excellent performance. | ||
| And I remember being real impressed with that, but even more so impressed with the Nate Marquardt fight. | ||
| I knew that Yushin was a grappler, and I wasn't surprised that you were a stronger grappler than him, but I was surprised that Nate Marquardt just couldn't stop you from taking him down. | ||
| He just could not stop you. | ||
| And the way you were doing it, you were ragdolling him to the point where you were like, Jesus, this guy's a fucking nightmare for a lot of dudes, man. | ||
| And then we started doing the matchups. | ||
| You start thinking in your head, what about him? | ||
| But when you fought Anderson, man... | ||
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| That was a crazy fight, man. | ||
| For four minutes, or for four rounds, and how many minutes into the fifth round? | ||
| Four minutes and 31 seconds, but who's keeping track? | ||
| Four minutes and 31 seconds of a five-minute round. | ||
| What was that like? | ||
| What was that like when it happened? | ||
| It was devastating. | ||
| I'll tell you what. | ||
| I had no idea what was happening in that fight. | ||
| None. | ||
| And when the fight was over, I was devastated. | ||
| And I came to and I said to the ref, you know, the typical thing, like a doofus, what happened? | ||
| Right. | ||
| The referee, Josh Rosenthal, is a fantastic referee, simply says, you tapped out. | ||
| And he looks at me for a response like I was going to argue. | ||
| And I simply say, I believe you. | ||
| Now, I knew that because ESPN zoomed in on that and showed it. | ||
| But that's all I said. | ||
| I said, I believe you. | ||
| Do you remember what happened? | ||
| When you were... | ||
| Did you think of tapping and you went out? | ||
| Like, what happened? | ||
| I remember... | ||
| Falling asleep. | ||
| You know, it's a very weird experience if you've ever been, and I know you practice it, so you have been, but it's a very weird experience, you know, when you're actually going to sleep, but you're trying to stay within reality. | ||
| And I remember having a dream thinking, well, if I tap, I could get out of this. | ||
| Nah, let's not tap. | ||
| The fight was over. | ||
| So you had already tapped and you didn't even know. | ||
| I'd already tapped. | ||
| I hit his foot. | ||
| And I didn't fully know what happened. | ||
| When it was over and I came to, I didn't fully know what happened. | ||
| I'm trying to figure out what just happened. | ||
| Most people, by the way, who have never been choked out will never be able to understand that. | ||
| They'll call fake tap and this and that. | ||
| Unless you've been choked, you really don't understand how confusing it is. | ||
| There's a lot of guys who don't know what happened right when they wake up. | ||
| It's a mess. | ||
| And I'm one of those guys. | ||
| I was with the other people where I would always see fighters and go, what happened after they got knocked out? | ||
| Come on, dummy, you know what happened. | ||
| No, you don't. | ||
| You sure don't. | ||
| Especially from a concussion. | ||
| Especially from chaos. | ||
| You absolutely don't know. | ||
| So aside from being choked, don't forget I've got fatigue issues. | ||
| I've got blood and Vaseline in my eyes. | ||
| I've got exhaustion. | ||
| I've got anxiety. | ||
| I'm a normal human being. | ||
| I feel every emotion. | ||
| So many people say to me, you're never scared. | ||
| Come on, I'm a human. | ||
| Fill it all. | ||
| So I lose the fight. | ||
| We go in the back and they bring me the fight of the night check. | ||
| They pay you immediately if you get a bonus. | ||
| Boom, here's your check. | ||
| And I remember thinking, you gave me that out of sympathy because that was such a boring fight. | ||
| Nothing happened. | ||
| You gave me that out of sympathy. | ||
| I'll take it. | ||
| I'm fighting back the tears. | ||
| I'm just devastated. | ||
| I'm absolutely devastated by this defeat. | ||
| And later the fight gets named not only Fight of the Night, it was called Fight of the Year. | ||
| We won the award from Fighters Only Magazine, which puts on the award show for Fight of the Year. | ||
| So it ended up being a really good fight, but my point that I'm trying to get at is that's how out of touch I was with what was happening in the ring. | ||
| You know, at one point my corner man told me it's round four when it was round five or he told me it was round four when it was round three. | ||
| Whatever it was, the corner had the rounds off. | ||
| You know, the instruction I was getting was a little bit off. | ||
| And I just didn't fully know what was going on. | ||
| And in this next fight I'd like to, you know, as I visualize and plan for it, that's one of the things I'd like to be a little more aware and a little more in touch with what's happening. | ||
| But it's hard. | ||
| It's hard on the Octagon, man. | ||
| A lot of stuff goes out the window. | ||
| You get hit, you get kicked, you get... | ||
| It's tough. | ||
| It's tough to stay focused. | ||
| How tough is it to describe to someone who's never had that experience? | ||
| It's almost impossible. | ||
| You know, I almost can't do it. | ||
| It's like when, you know, an executive director comes at you and wants to know, like we were talking about earlier, hey, why'd you do this? | ||
| And you're kind of going, you know, I don't really know how to put it into words, and I don't mean this condescendingly, but obviously you've never been in that spot. | ||
| Because it's one of those indescribable feelings. | ||
| And when you have victory... | ||
| That's also an indescribable feeling. | ||
| When you make that walk in front of 17,000 people screaming, cheering, booing, whatever it is, that's also an indescribable feeling. | ||
| So it's a very unique sport, and people will always ask me on game day, are you ready? | ||
| Are you excited? | ||
| And are you scared? | ||
| You'll get these questions, and the answer is no. | ||
| But I can't tell you what I am either. | ||
| For all the human emotions that have definitions, I don't know how to describe what it's like on fight day. | ||
| It's a combination of many things. | ||
| And if we're going to be truthful, most of them are unpleasant. | ||
| It's a very stressful situation. | ||
| You know, you're walking into battle. | ||
| You've prepared for this and it's all on the line and it's on the line in front of everybody. | ||
| And there's a great relief if you have victory and a great despair if you have defeat. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| Proportionately. | ||
| You used a very interesting word there that surprised me. | ||
| You said relief. | ||
| You didn't say happy. | ||
| You said relief. | ||
| And Joe, you could not be more correct. | ||
| I had a fight with Brian Stan after I was out for 14 months dealing after the Anderson loss. | ||
| I had to deal with the commission. | ||
| I had to go back and deal with these guys. | ||
| I got this suspension. | ||
| Everything puts me out for 14 months. | ||
| It was eight days later before I was back to myself emotionally because all I was for that week plus was relieved. | ||
| It was the ultimate exhale of my life. | ||
| I wasn't happy I won. | ||
| I wasn't excited. | ||
| I was relieved it was over. | ||
| I was just relieved that I made it through. | ||
| You know, from the weigh-in to the process to the licensing to the battle, I made it through and got out of there. | ||
| That's very interesting that you used that word. | ||
| Well, I used to experience that relief from Taekwondo tournaments, which in comparison to MMA is absolutely benign. | ||
| I mean, it's not even remotely as draining, as physically demanding, as scary, you know, all of the above. | ||
| But I still would get a great relief when I was done. | ||
| You know, I'd go through a tournament. | ||
| It'd be over. | ||
| I could rest for a couple weeks. | ||
| I wouldn't have to think. | ||
| And then when I finally stopped competing completely, it was the weirdest feeling ever. | ||
| This weird feeling of not worrying about six months in the future. | ||
| Like, don't have a drink now because if you do, what if you wind up getting drunk and then you can't train as well tomorrow? | ||
| And then six weeks in the future, you're off and you lose because you fucked up and you slacked off. | ||
| There was always this impending doom cycle. | ||
| With MMA, it's got to be a hundred thousand times that. | ||
| Now, Joe, last time I tried to sneak out of here to go to the bathroom, you made an announcement, chill, you're going to urinate. | ||
| Don't tell anybody. | ||
| It embarrasses me. | ||
| I like to sneak out like a little kid. | ||
| I'm sorry. | ||
| So don't mention it. | ||
| I won't say anything. | ||
| Okay, I'm going to run out of it, but I don't want you to tell everybody. | ||
| I won't even talk about it. | ||
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Are you going to snap one off? | |
| Okay, now, Joe, I want to tell you this, though. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| When I come back... | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Because I don't know what our timeline is, but I have a story that I want to make sure I tell. | ||
| Do you know who D.B. Cooper is? | ||
| Yes, I do. | ||
| Bring him up when I come back. | ||
| Okay, I will do... | ||
| Powerful Chelsun and ladies and gentlemen. | ||
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Is he making a poopy? | |
| I don't know what he's doing. | ||
| I don't ask a man. | ||
| Ask a man what kind of movements he's doing. | ||
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So that note, that Samsung Galaxy Note or whatever. | |
| Oh, we're talking about that giant cell phone. | ||
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It's amazing. | |
| As no one's seen it, it's pretty much maybe this big. | ||
| It's 5.3 inches. | ||
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| So it's almost like a small Kindle or something. | ||
| It's a small tablet and it's a phone and it slips into your pocket and it has a Crazy processor. | ||
| Really ridiculously fast. | ||
| Giant screen. | ||
| You can draw on pictures like, suck it, I'm here with stupid. | ||
| You can take pictures and like, you can draw on them. | ||
| When you watch web pages on it, it's incredible. | ||
| It's the best cell phone web experience ever. | ||
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There's been a lot of talks that the iPad is going to have a smaller version, like a 7-inch version. | |
| Unless it's a phone, I don't give a fuck. | ||
| They should make a 5-inch phone. | ||
| Just make it. | ||
| Stop it. | ||
| We like big shit. | ||
| I use my phone half the time to look at my email, half the time to, you know, I mean, between... | ||
| 50 and 60% of the time is not making phone calls. | ||
| It's doing other cool shit. | ||
| Getting online. | ||
| You don't think a pocket thing is going to be a pain in the ass? | ||
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I bet that note is just a pain. | |
| Like having an old trio in your pocket or something. | ||
| I'm glad you asked this, Brian, because I have recently gone back to the fanny pack. | ||
| I got a new one. | ||
| I ordered one from Roots because Andrew Dice Clay had it when we were doing the podcast with him the other day. | ||
| Remember that? | ||
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Yeah, you got it. | |
| Yeah, I got Dice Clay. | ||
| I did get a little jealous of his fanny pack. | ||
| Fantastically designed fanny pack. | ||
| I was like, that's a real goddamn fanny pack. | ||
| So I ordered one online, and two days later I got it. | ||
| I'm very happy. | ||
| So I'd carry that note around, gladly, inside my fanny pack. | ||
| I'm bringing back the fanny pack strong. | ||
| By the way, shout out to Chris Lieben. | ||
| There was photos of Chris Lieben in Hawaii wearing a fanny pack. | ||
| Way to go, Chris. | ||
| Well done. | ||
| Keep on rocking in the free world. | ||
| You know, you bring up Chris Lieben, if I can jump in here real fast. | ||
| I don't know if I'm interrupting something, but I threw an event. | ||
| I threw an event. | ||
| It was like an after-party with Chael. | ||
| And it was a colossal failure. | ||
| Nobody shows up. | ||
| We've got 18 people. | ||
| We've got this whole bar to ourselves. | ||
| We've got drinks. | ||
| We've got a DJ. It's a massive failure. | ||
| So we ended up turning the radio off, and we all just ended up sitting down and talking. | ||
| And by the end of the night, it couldn't have gone any better. | ||
| I know everybody. | ||
| Okay, this guy's on his... | ||
| You know, his honeymoon. | ||
| This guy's wife bought him presents. | ||
| These guys, it's their anniversary. | ||
| I know everybody in the room. | ||
| I know them by name. | ||
| I know what city they're from. | ||
| We spent about three hours talking. | ||
| And I'm telling them stories. | ||
| I'm telling them stories of UFC, behind-the-scenes stuff, you know. | ||
| And I'm running out of stories. | ||
| They're like, tell us another story. | ||
| And I'm like, you know who has great stories? | ||
| It's Chris Lieben. | ||
| The problem is he never answers his phone. | ||
| So they're like, call Chris, you know. | ||
| So I'm getting peer pressured here. | ||
| So I'm calling Chris on speaker. | ||
| I call him. | ||
| He answers his phone. | ||
| I go, Lieben, it's jail. | ||
| I'm at an after party. | ||
| You're on speaker. | ||
| I got about 20 people here. | ||
| They can all hear you. | ||
| I've been telling stories and I'm out. | ||
| I need you to tell one. | ||
| And he's like... | ||
| You want to tell them a story? | ||
| Why don't you tell them about the time that my mom hit a deer, load it in the back of her hatchback, forgot about it for two weeks, then her and my uncle come over, throw it on the kitchen table, cut it up with chainsaws. | ||
| I've been in my room. | ||
| I've been punished because I got sent home from school in a detention, so they make me sample the meat to make sure it's not rancid, and I end up in the hospital for three weeks with E. coli. | ||
| Why don't you tell them that story? | ||
| He doesn't miss a beat. | ||
| He just rattles this story off. | ||
| He puts this whole party on its head. | ||
| I mean, these people, nobody left. | ||
| They are in shock, including me. | ||
| I'm in shock. | ||
| Wait a minute. | ||
| Your mother... | ||
| I gotta go. | ||
| Chris, I gotta go. | ||
| Thanks. | ||
| And I just hang up the phone. | ||
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Oh, my God. | |
| And because he did that for me, because he told the story to this disaster party that I threw, I've always been grateful and indebted to him. | ||
| Like, Chris, I owe you one. | ||
| You know, you saved me. | ||
| So there's my shout-out to Chris Lee. | ||
| But how's that for a great story? | ||
| That's a fucking great story. | ||
| Oh, it's insane. | ||
| Holy shit, what a childhood... | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Oh, he can go on and on. | ||
| Chris has some other great stories, you know? | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Some guys have a rough, man. | ||
| That's rough. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| That sucks. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Chris's aunt and uncle greatly raised him. | ||
| So he goes out on, what do you call it, jet skiing or whatever. | ||
| Whatever you do on the water skiing. | ||
| And he's out with his uncle, and his uncle is drinking. | ||
| And they T-bone a boat. | ||
| And his aunt, the uncle's wife, is back on the shore sunbathing. | ||
| She doesn't go out with him. | ||
| They T-bone a boat, and they hurt the people. | ||
| So the people, the wife goes over, and they're helping. | ||
| The wife of the other boat is going over. | ||
| So they get the husband and the wife on the boat. | ||
| And, you know, she's not that bad, but she fell over, and her boat doesn't run anymore. | ||
| So the uncles tell him, listen, listen, I've been drinking. | ||
| I don't have insurance, but I really will make this up right with you if you just don't call the police. | ||
| So as a matter of fact, here's my name. | ||
| Here's my number. | ||
| Please call me and let's settle this. | ||
| Yeah, anything. | ||
| Just get us to shore. | ||
| I got to get to the hospital, have my leg looked at. | ||
| They pull up to the shore. | ||
| The aunt stands up because she sees there's some woman on the boat. | ||
| She wants to know what the hell's going on. | ||
| So she gets a little bit closer and she sees this woman is holding Chris's uncle's, a piece of paper with his name and number on it. | ||
| She has no idea she's been T-boned. | ||
| She has no idea they've rescued him, taken him to the hospital and it's her husband's fault. | ||
| And she sees the number with his name on it and says, that's my husband, bitch, and slaps the woman who's on her way to the hospital because she She got T-boned by the uncle. | ||
| So this is Chris's childhood. | ||
| So, you know, you like the Chris Lieben story. | ||
| I could go on and on and on. | ||
| As a matter of fact, I bought for $100, I bought a bunch of Chris Lieben stories, but they backfired. | ||
| Yeah, but then he started telling people that these were his stories. | ||
| It's like, Chris, that's not your story. | ||
| That's my story. | ||
| That didn't happen with your uncle. | ||
| My uncle did that. | ||
| And I got the idea from a Seinfeld where Kramer bought a bunch of Peterman stories. | ||
| So I paid Chris and everything. | ||
| He took the money. | ||
| And then he still was trying to claim this stuff happened to him. | ||
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So it didn't really work out for me. | |
| How did you keep this story straight in your head? | ||
| Well, I just knew because he's got three crazy stories. | ||
| How many did you buy? | ||
| I bought them all. | ||
| I bought the whole gamut. | ||
| We went to Japan together. | ||
| It's a nine-hour flight. | ||
| And so he told story after story. | ||
| So I bought it. | ||
| I said, I'll give you $100 for those stories. | ||
| But he didn't know how it worked. | ||
| He apparently thought this was some funny deal where he takes my money and goes buys a little sake and sushi. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| Those are now my stories. | ||
| He didn't get the gig. | ||
| He didn't get it. | ||
| So he double-crossed me, took the money, and he took the stories back. | ||
| I got nothing. | ||
| I had to write my own book. | ||
| I had to write my own stories. | ||
| Chris Lieben's stories would have been better. | ||
| Oh, that's fucking hilarious. | ||
| I've never heard of anybody buying someone's stories before. | ||
| Yeah, I paid $100 for it. | ||
| That was a lot of money, but I only got $1,000 for the fight over there. | ||
| Holy shit, that's funny. | ||
| Oh my god, that is ridiculous. | ||
| Now, what the fuck was it like going to Brazil? | ||
| You went to Brazil recently. | ||
| You know. | ||
| After all the shit that you talked about Brazil and Minotauro and the Nogueira brothers. | ||
| Okay, now that's funny. | ||
| Thinking that a bus was a horse. | ||
| That's funny you say that because, good for you, because sometimes when you talk about Nogueira, people forget there's two. | ||
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Right. | |
| And there are brothers. | ||
| You know, you need to be specific. | ||
| You know, are you talking about the big one or the little one? | ||
| Are you talking about the fat one or the bald one? | ||
| Are you talking about the one that used to be good or the one that never was? | ||
| And it's important that you say that. | ||
| So good for you for saying there's brothers. | ||
| Because a lot of people just think it's the same guy filling in. | ||
| But there's actually two. | ||
| What was it like when you went to Brazil? | ||
| Awesome. | ||
| You want to know what? | ||
| I had a great time. | ||
| Did you really? | ||
| Brittany got to go. | ||
| We go out with Dana. | ||
| And we were only there for four hours. | ||
| And first off, Rio's beautiful. | ||
| And I've been to Brazil before. | ||
| In fact, I was at Abu Dhabi, one that you were at. | ||
| I don't know if you would have known who I was back then. | ||
| But when Eddie beat Hoyler. | ||
| What was it? | ||
| 2003, I believe, in Sao Paulo. | ||
| In fact, I was there. | ||
| Ryan Parsons was with us. | ||
| At any rate, I've been to Brazil before. | ||
| Were you there with Matt Lindland? | ||
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And I loved it. | |
| I wrestled myself. | ||
| I lost to Kakariko. | ||
| Mr. Guillotine. | ||
| Remember that guy? | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| Big and strong? | ||
| Anyhow. | ||
| Luta Livre. | ||
| Speed up the story. | ||
| So we get there, and we've got our own security detail, and it's tight. | ||
| I mean, these are some bad-looking dudes. | ||
| And I'm surrounded with tough-looking guys all the time. | ||
| This was a whole other level, man. | ||
| These guys got the scars. | ||
| These guys got the bullet holes. | ||
| These guys got the stitching and the whole bit. | ||
| Anyway, we got this bad team. | ||
| Now, I've never been on a helicopter, but I love carnivals. | ||
| I love rides. | ||
| So we go everywhere by helicopter, which apparently is extremely common in Brazil. | ||
| It's like the number one Heliport country in the world. | ||
| So these are good helicopters with pilots. | ||
| They're very reputable. | ||
| And next thing I know, we're up in the air. | ||
| So this is the ultimate carnival ride. | ||
| Now we're there on a gorgeous day in Rio, which is a gorgeous city, and we've got it from a bird's eye view. | ||
| I mean, I would take that whole trip, all the risk, all the danger, everything that I had to go through for that 15 minute helicopter ride. | ||
| I'm a Catholic. | ||
| I went over this church that's like one of the wonders of the world. | ||
| It's not quite as, you know, eighth wonder of the world like the pyramids, but it's close, where you look at it and go, how in the heck did you build that hundreds of years ago up on this cliff? | ||
| There's no roads up to it. | ||
| You've got to walk. | ||
| It's just incredible. | ||
| Well, there's a lot of speculation about the history of Brazil that's come into light recently. | ||
| I think there's some Roman artifacts they found, some really ancient stuff, and there's some dispute about they found some offshore wreckage or something like that. | ||
| So they're now thinking that maybe the Romans had even visited Brazil even before the Portuguese. | ||
| Pretty amazing country when you stop and think about the history of it. | ||
| Yeah, you know, so... | ||
| Beautiful place. | ||
| I have a feeling when you ask me what was it like, I mean, how were we received? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Was there any threats? | ||
| And, you know, the way I like to tell it is that it was a scene, man. | ||
| We were down in the trenches over there, but... | ||
| You know, the reality, I really liked it there. | ||
| And it's interesting. | ||
| Everybody knows who we are there. | ||
| You know, if I want to be famous in America, Joe, I got to go to a fight. | ||
| If I go to a fight, I'm a big deal. | ||
| If I'm not at a fight, I'm not. | ||
| I'm just a regular guy, which is just fine. | ||
| But I mean, you know, sometimes people lose sight of that. | ||
| And in Brazil, they all knew who we were. | ||
| You know, they definitely knew Dana, and they all knew who I was, and I mean all of them, from the bus drivers to the people, to the people working the desk, to the cops, everybody, the people at the airports. | ||
| And here's how Dana described it to me. | ||
| He goes, chill. | ||
| Everybody watches a playoff game for the NFL in America, right? | ||
| Everybody watches. | ||
| I go, yeah, everybody watches a playoff. | ||
| He goes, okay, that everybody is 15 million Americans. | ||
| He said in Brazil, 80 million Brazilians tuned in when Anderson and Vitor fought. | ||
| So those are the kind of numbers. | ||
| That's how inundated people are with this sport. | ||
| And that's prior to us bringing them this new Ultimate Fighter with Vandalay and Vitor that's airing. | ||
| So what I'm getting at is this sport's huge over there. | ||
| And until you're there, you don't realize it. | ||
| So at any rate, you know, I'm getting recognized left and right. | ||
| And that's fun. | ||
| That's fun for my ego. | ||
| I'm having a good time. | ||
| You know, I'm somebody and they want to talk to me. | ||
| They want an autograph. | ||
| They're all very nice. | ||
| Now, I didn't really have time to exhale and enjoy this because I've got so many death threats that are very legitimate. | ||
| You know, guys not only tell me they're going to kill me, they're telling me how. | ||
| They're telling me when. | ||
| They're telling me the lake they're going to drag my body into. | ||
| I've got this security team because the UFC's been warned. | ||
| So I'm on edge constantly, and I see some kid. | ||
| Is that the kid? | ||
| Is this the guy? | ||
| I'm constantly looking around. | ||
| I'm only human. | ||
| This is how my mind's working. | ||
| So by the time we left, the experience was great looking back. | ||
| At the time I was there, you're on edge. | ||
| You know, you're looking around. | ||
| Who's the guy? | ||
| Who's the guy? | ||
| You know, my dad had a real basic rule when you thought you were in trouble. | ||
| Don't let anybody within arm's reach. | ||
| If the guy comes within arm's reach, hit him. | ||
| Don't wait for this first punch crap. | ||
| If you feel you're in danger and he gets within arm's reach, you strike first and get out of there. | ||
| Everybody's on you like this. | ||
| So I'm going against the most basic rule my own father taught me when I'm seven years old, and that's let people in close when you're scared. | ||
| So I've got my back up against the wall. | ||
| I'm following his second rule, but the first one's completely broken, but we had a good time. | ||
| The fight was supposed to take place, for people who don't know, the rematch between Chael and folks who aren't following MMA. A lot of people that listen to this podcast aren't even MMA fans. | ||
| After the Anderson Silva fight, you said a bunch of crazy shit about Brazil, about You insulted them quite a bit. | ||
| And then they were going to have the rematch in an 80,000-seat soccer arena in Brazil. | ||
| But unfortunately, because the UN is having a visit there two days before, there was no hotels. | ||
| It was logistically almost impossible to bring that many people into an 80,000-seat arena. | ||
| It wasn't going to happen. | ||
| So it's been moved to Las Vegas. | ||
| Was that good? | ||
| Were you happy when it was moved to Vegas? | ||
| You know, if I have to answer you yes or no, the answer is yes. | ||
| But there's also a tremendous no. | ||
| And the no is simply that I was going to get to be part of history. | ||
| And the current record is Toronto. | ||
| St. Pierre versus Shields, 55,000 live. | ||
| We were going to do 80,000 to 100,000 live. | ||
| And that would have been very hard to beat. | ||
| So I could have taken that record for not only currently, but maybe into my future years and pass that story down to generations. | ||
| And, you know, again, that's an ego boost. | ||
| And there's something to be said for that if we're being candid that I'd want. | ||
| The other side of it is, geez, I don't want to fly 14 hours anywhere while I'm cutting weight. | ||
| Now, somebody has to. | ||
| Anderson did it the last time, and we fought in California. | ||
| So, in fairness, I'll go out there. | ||
| How much does Anderson cut? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| He probably weighs about 220. I've been next to him, and he looks as big as me. | ||
| I'm right around 220. He's a little taller, so it's hard to judge. | ||
| But, you know, look, Anderson lives in California, so he flies two hours to Vegas. | ||
| I'm in Oregon. | ||
| It's two hours to Vegas. | ||
| We both got home field advantage. | ||
| What's the difference? | ||
| In that aspect of it. | ||
| Yeah, the cutting weight is a very strange aspect of MMA, isn't it? | ||
| It's really almost like an art and a discipline in and of itself. | ||
| And a battle. | ||
| You could be a black belt in cutting weight or you could be a white belt. | ||
| And to compare it to being like martial arts, like you said, it is. | ||
| Some guys are skilled in it. | ||
| Some guys are experts. | ||
| You got your Mike Dolce. | ||
| They got more secrets than you could imagine to get weight off. | ||
| And other guys aren't. | ||
| Other guys starve because they don't know what else to do. | ||
| Or they miss weight. | ||
| You know, we see guys miss weight, too. | ||
| And that's a big deal. | ||
| When you sign a contract, that's part of it. | ||
| You've got to honor that. | ||
| How much of your thought process would have been dedicated if there was a fight? | ||
| How much of it would have been just to be worried about your safety constantly? | ||
| Worried about your food being poisoned? | ||
| Worry about someone fucking with you? | ||
| I mean, what would it have been like to compete under that sort of an environment? | ||
| Folks who don't know... | ||
| I've never seen a crowd more nationalistic than Brazil. | ||
| It's amazing how patriotic they are. | ||
| They get it right. | ||
| That's the way you should be. | ||
| They get it right. | ||
| They fucking get it right. | ||
| You should back your guy. | ||
| I like that. | ||
| They do that in England, but in England, they also, when a fighter wins, a guy wins, they applaud his skill. | ||
| Even if a guy beats a hometown guy. | ||
| I've seen it in London. | ||
| I've seen them applaud when a fighter beat a local English guy when they were talking afterwards. | ||
| But, man, that doesn't happen in Brazil. | ||
| Mike Pyle won. | ||
| He beat Ricardo Funch. | ||
| And they were all together chanting some sort of gay slur. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Portuguese gay slur. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And I was like, wow. | ||
| No, I'm aware. | ||
| You know, that's unfortunate when that happens. | ||
| You know, you don't want to behave like a savage or uncivilized. | ||
| I mean, we are in a society here. | ||
| And if you're a fan and you buy a ticket, you can cheer or boo whoever you want. | ||
| But that's where it ends. | ||
| Don't touch a guy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I won't touch. | ||
| I don't like all the fans. | ||
| I like most of them. | ||
| I don't like them all. | ||
| But I never touch one. | ||
| But the same thing goes for them. | ||
| If you're a fan, you don't reach over that rail and slap at a guy and throw your drink on him. | ||
| What do you think it would have been like, though, if you had won in Brazil in front of 80,000 people? | ||
| It would have been a scene. | ||
| I don't think they could have controlled it. | ||
| They swore that they could. | ||
| They'd have presidential security there. | ||
| They were planning to have the president of Brazil there, so they'd have their secret service. | ||
| It's like, guys, you can't do it. | ||
| There was just a soccer game. | ||
| There was just a soccer game and 73 people were trampled to death. | ||
| You know, you can't control crowds when they decide to storm. | ||
| You just can't. | ||
| It's displaced responsibility. | ||
| I'm a sociologist. | ||
| I've studied this. | ||
| I've written papers on displaced responsibility. | ||
| You can't control that, especially when I'm the main event. | ||
| And the relevance to that is it means the beer started pouring five hours earlier. | ||
| So now you're not only talking to an insightful crowd, you're talking about a drunk crowd. | ||
| And what I'm referring to is if I beat Anderson up. | ||
| I go into Brazil, I stomp their hero, and then I'm going to do an interview with you. | ||
| And it's not going to stop, and I'm not going to apologize to any one of them. | ||
| So how they thought they were going to control that, I don't know. | ||
| What did you think was going to happen? | ||
| I think it would have been bad. | ||
| I think it would have been very, very bad. | ||
| And I would not have backed off one bit. | ||
| Why is that? | ||
| Because I'm not going to change. | ||
| I'm going to dance with the one that brought me. | ||
| I'm going to be aggressive. | ||
| I'm going to be in your face. | ||
| I'm going to get my mind right, my approach right. | ||
| I'm going to do my job as soon as Bruce Buffer gets out of my way. | ||
| And that's it. | ||
| And I can't change. | ||
| I mean, I don't know how to change. | ||
| This is what I'm programmed to do. | ||
| And, you know, I hate to talk like one of those maniacs. | ||
| I'd have given my life, blah, blah, blah. | ||
| But, Joe, I swear to your hand to God, I'd have given my life to win that championship if I had to. | ||
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Whoa. | |
| I mean, let's not forget, this isn't tough guy talk. | ||
| I signed the contract to go to Brazil to do the fight. | ||
| And in my heart, I thought, I don't know how this is going to go. | ||
| I made my mother promise she wouldn't go. | ||
| My mother doesn't get it. | ||
| She's an older woman. | ||
| She's got a ruby or a diamond on every finger. | ||
| You don't go into South America like that, let alone a fight. | ||
| It was just one of those deals, but look, this is what I'm going to do. | ||
| That's a crazy stance, man. | ||
| That's a crazy mindset. | ||
| I agree. | ||
| I don't know that I'm proud of that. | ||
| I don't mean to sit here and sound like a big tough guy. | ||
| That's not really what I'm doing. | ||
| I'm just trying to be candid, but this is what I'm going to do. | ||
| I've worked my whole life for it, and if this is how it ends, this is how it ends, but I'm going to get that before I go. | ||
| You can't really discount the amount of a boost the hometown fighter would get from a crowd like that or the amount of shock the opponent would get from 80,000 people booing you. | ||
| And you were ready to jump right into that. | ||
| Well, that was one of my favorite things. | ||
| Some guys beg for applause. | ||
| I've seen some fighters. | ||
| It hurts their feelings. | ||
| John Jones, gosh, he hates if anybody boos. | ||
| I'm on the other side of that, man. | ||
| I like it. | ||
| I like it. | ||
| And I love it when they cheer, too. | ||
| I'm not the guy that feeds off negativity, but I do feed off of it. | ||
| If a guy will pay $3.50 for an overpriced drink at the MGM and throw it on me, that's a compliment to me. | ||
| If I've incited him that much, he's a fan. | ||
| How often does that happen? | ||
| It's happened a few times, you know, where they've thrown something. | ||
| I've actually never had a drink. | ||
| I had one guy so mad he took his own hat off his head and threw it at me. | ||
| He missed. | ||
| But, you know, you get the point. | ||
| I kind of felt like I always wanted to hand it back to him. | ||
| You know, it's one of those deals. | ||
| But, you know, they get so insightful. | ||
| But, you know, don't forget the other side of that coin. | ||
| Not only are they upset with me, but they're cheering their guy. | ||
| You know, if you want to back your guy, you're a fan, man. | ||
| You work hard for that money. | ||
| You took the night off. | ||
| You know, you talk dad into bringing you out to the fight. | ||
| Don't touch anybody, but be a fan. | ||
| Even if that means to boo, so what? | ||
| That's interesting. | ||
| That's a very interesting point of view. | ||
| I would prefer people not boo because it's kind of cunty and it's disrespectful for someone who is doing what is essentially the most difficult sport known to man and doing it for your amusement. | ||
| And just because it doesn't go the way of the fighter that you like, you're going to boo and hiss and say stupid shit. | ||
| That shows a massive level of immaturity that I don't necessarily think we need in this world. | ||
| I think it's 2012 and you stupid asses need to catch up. | ||
| That's what I think. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| I think that's a fair opinion. | ||
| When I hear people boo at a good fight, I'm like, that can't be anybody other than a fucking moron. | ||
| And I hear that. | ||
| I'll hear that at places. | ||
| And sometimes I bite my tongue and sometimes I don't. | ||
| But sometimes people are booing a good fight, a good positional battle. | ||
| They don't understand it, so they're booing. | ||
| Or it goes to the ground, so they're booing. | ||
| It's so stupid and disrespectful. | ||
| Meanwhile, these same dumb fucks will sit there and watch baseball. | ||
| They'll watch a live baseball game. | ||
| One of the most boring events known to man. | ||
| Something that you could never introduce to another country in 2012. You could never bring baseball today. | ||
| They'd be like, bitch, that's boring as fuck. | ||
| Good for you for saying that. | ||
| Silly hit the ball with a stick game. | ||
| You look at football, and people just adored in this country. | ||
| Again, good for them, but in a four-and-a-half-hour NFL game, there's seven-and-a-half minutes of action. | ||
| If you start the time and you turn it off, I can't play along that that's exciting. | ||
| I don't know that I have ADD, but I do for that. | ||
| And then you're going to take a break. | ||
| And then these big, large, they're all muscled up, and they run to their mailbox. | ||
| They've got to stop at the neighbor's kid's lemonade stand. | ||
| They're so out of shape. | ||
| These guys, for seven and a half minutes, you know how many times they go to the water bucket? | ||
| What are you doing, guy? | ||
| How are you possibly tired? | ||
| I've been sitting there doing your show for several hours. | ||
| I don't need anything to drink. | ||
| They're drinking. | ||
| I don't get it. | ||
| Some people cheer these guys. | ||
| It's like, good for you. | ||
| I know I'm the minority. | ||
| I'm the one missing out. | ||
| My life would be better if I could really get into sports and have something to do on Sunday. | ||
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Why would it be better? | |
| Because I'd have something to do. | ||
| Go fishing. | ||
| I used to have to count down UFCs, which were five a year. | ||
| Six a year, and then Pride would do four or five. | ||
| I would count those days down. | ||
| Literally count them down. | ||
| Me and my dad would be talking, Tank Abbott's going to fight this guy. | ||
| Let's not miss it. | ||
| We're going to have a party. | ||
| So what I'm saying is if I could get in that same passion for other sports, I'd have a better life. | ||
| I'd have hobbies. | ||
| I'd have something to do. | ||
| Like my friends that sit up and they watch SportsCenter and somehow they're entertained by that. | ||
| I don't get it. | ||
| I don't think that's good. | ||
| I think you're better off without it. | ||
| I don't think it's bad to have one or two sports that you're into. | ||
| There's nothing wrong with that. | ||
| But I know guys who their whole life is just following other people doing shit. | ||
| I hear you. | ||
| I hear you. | ||
| That happens a lot. | ||
| I can't get behind football. | ||
| I appreciate it. | ||
| I respect them as athletes. | ||
| Some incredible athletes in football. | ||
| But to me, it's just... | ||
| I don't care what you do with that ball. | ||
| It doesn't mean anything to me. | ||
| No, I understand. | ||
| I mean, I was on Jim Rome earlier today, and it's like, you know, Jim, how many times have you had to sit here and interview a golfer or a tennis player or a NASCAR guy? | ||
| Could you imagine being a NASCAR? | ||
| You push your foot down, and you make left turns all afternoon long, and somehow that's some meaningful event to society. | ||
| And I'm scratching my head going, you know, I wish that I was one of those guys that enjoyed this, but I don't get you're making left turns all Sunday afternoon. | ||
| So what? | ||
| damning appraisals of America. | ||
| Yeah, and I don't understand it. | ||
| I'm talking to Jim Rome, and it's like, you know, Jim, good for you. | ||
| You finally got somebody, and you're welcoming. | ||
| He is very welcome. | ||
| He's an absolute ally to the UFC. Dana White went on a rant one time. | ||
| It was great against ESPN, where Dana was mad. | ||
| And then he finishes by going, the only thing good is Jim Rome. | ||
| He made sure to give Jim that prop, because Jim deserves it. | ||
| He's one of those leaders that came out, and he embraced martial arts and the UFC, to be specific. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Yeah, good for him. | ||
| I'm glad he did that. | ||
| Now I want to tell you this story. | ||
| Please. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So I wrote this book, The Voice of Reason, which comes out tomorrow. | ||
| Let me give myself a cheap book. | ||
| A VIP pass to enlightenment. | ||
| Thank you very much. | ||
| VIP pass to enlightenment. | ||
| Hits the bookshelves tomorrow. | ||
| It's available right now at Amazon.com. | ||
| This isn't a plug for the book. | ||
| That was the plug. | ||
| I'm done. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| I want to tell you a story, and I've only told this story twice in my life, so I don't know if I'm good at telling it. | ||
| I told this. | ||
| See, when you write a book these days, you don't actually have to write anything. | ||
| You talk it all out. | ||
| It all goes into the stents of whatever they call it, and then they go back and they type it out for you. | ||
| So I tell this story, and I know who D.B. Cooper is. | ||
| My whole family knows, and it's been like a family secret for a number of years. | ||
| So you know who the guy is? | ||
| I know who he is. | ||
| He's alive and well. | ||
| And a lot of times over the past few years, somebody will be on their deathbed. | ||
| You know, this just happened about four years ago. | ||
| A guy's on his deathbed, and he comes out and says, I'm D.B. Cooper. | ||
| And he tells his whole family, and they go to the media. | ||
| And the media jumps behind and says, well, it must be true, because why else would you want to go down as a criminal on your deathbed? | ||
| And I'm sitting there, and I told everybody that would listen, when they look into these facts that this guy's putting out, I assure you, that won't be D.B. I told everybody, but I never told them why. | ||
| I never told them how I was so confident. | ||
| It's my big, big worldwide news. | ||
| D.B. Cooper case, finally saw. | ||
| And then they unraveled it, and sure enough, it wasn't. | ||
| But I told everybody that wasn't him. | ||
| Well, the reason I knew it wasn't him is I know who D.B. Cooper is. | ||
| My whole family knew, and it was a secret, and my father passed away. | ||
| So now my oath to keep it a secret has also passed away. | ||
| I don't feel that I can't reveal this story. | ||
| He's alive and well. | ||
| I know exactly who he is, so I tell the story in my book. | ||
| And, you know, there's a lot of things that happen in the D.B. Cooper case, and so I need to really make this short or I could take up your whole show with this. | ||
| For folks who don't know who D.B. Cooper is, why don't you explain that? | ||
| Very famous. | ||
| He's the world's most famous hijacker. | ||
| And I believe he's the most famous, one, because he was never caught, but two, he may have been the first hijacker. | ||
| And I want to say this happened like in the 70s. | ||
| And D.B. Cooper hijacks a plane. | ||
| He makes it through security. | ||
| Security's totally different back then. | ||
| Gets on board. | ||
| He's in a cheap disguise. | ||
| He orders the plane to be touched down. | ||
| Says he's got a device, a bomb. | ||
| A bomb in his bag. | ||
| Shows it to a flight attendant. | ||
| They touch down. | ||
| There he is. | ||
| Now, that's a sketch deposit. | ||
| Of course, nobody knows what he actually looks like. | ||
| But that's the sketch deposit, if the viewers can see that. | ||
| So, at any rate, they touch the plane down. | ||
| They bring him his $200,000 in cash and unmarked bills, and they go back up. | ||
| Well, while they're up, he parachutes. | ||
| They don't know he's got a parachute. | ||
| Now... | ||
| Where the story gets interesting is he was never found, but the money wasn't either. | ||
| No sign of him was found. | ||
| His parachute wasn't found. | ||
| His body wasn't found. | ||
| And one of the things that was a problem is where he jumped was a mass forest. | ||
| I mean, miles upon miles. | ||
| Hundreds and hundreds of thousands of square acres of nothing but forest. | ||
| So basically, what any expert would say is, look, he didn't make it. | ||
| If he even made the fall, he would have been eaten by coyotes or bears. | ||
| There's good reason why we never found his body, and it's not because he made it out of there alive. | ||
| Okay, now you need a couple of those details. | ||
| So, how do I know him? | ||
| A family friend. | ||
| And I put this all in the book. | ||
| I put all of this in the book. | ||
| And the publisher didn't use it. | ||
| And the reason he wouldn't use it is because I won't tell the name. | ||
| I tell the whole story. | ||
| I'm about to do that for you now. | ||
| But I don't reveal the name. | ||
| He goes, without a name, I can't use it. | ||
| I go, wait. | ||
| That's ridiculous. | ||
| I can touch on every single detail. | ||
| And I'm telling my publisher, going, hey, I don't think you know who D.B. Cooper is. | ||
| I think you should Google him. | ||
| There's movies made on him. | ||
| Prison Break just had a character pretending to be D.B. Cooper. | ||
| Folklore has been made out of this guy. | ||
| Well, where this guy jumped was government land, but that land backed up to Indian land, and this gentleman was part Indian, and he grew up in this forest. | ||
| This is where he spent his summers. | ||
| Months after months, they would go out and camp in there, you know, in between school breaks. | ||
| From the time he was a little kid all the way on, he knew right where he was jumping, and if anybody could have made it, It was this guy. | ||
| Now, my dad grew up with this guy. | ||
| He was a family friend. | ||
| And back then, parachuting, well, much like now, is very uncommon. | ||
| If somebody does it, you go tell all your friends, ah, I found this parachuting class, and I'm going to do it. | ||
| And they take pictures, and they show it up. | ||
| This guy was taking parachuting lessons. | ||
| He didn't tell anybody. | ||
| And he started taking motorcycle classes and stuff. | ||
| He wasn't telling anybody. | ||
| He was racing these bikes. | ||
| And that's what my dad personally believes, though he never got the story, that he parachuted, had a hidden motorcycle, and rolled it out. | ||
| That's my dad's personal theory. | ||
| So, you know, all this stuff comes down, and many years later, the statute of limitations is up, and all of a sudden, this guy starts collecting a pretty good assortment of toys, from shotguns to four-wheelers to motorhomes. | ||
| My dad's known him his whole life. | ||
| He knows what the guy does for a living. | ||
| He knows what his wife does, and he, what the heck's going on here? | ||
| You know, where are you getting all this money? | ||
| And the guy says, well, you know, I'm an Indian, and And when you reach a certain age, you get some Indian money. | ||
| And there's some truth to that. | ||
| There is Indian money that's given out if you're a native living in America. | ||
| But you're talking about like $1,800 a year. | ||
| And when you get older, about $3,000 a year. | ||
| This guy came into a wide assortment of money. | ||
| Well, the sketches came out of D.B. Cooper, and it's a spitting image of the guy. | ||
| That picture that we looked at? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, there was different ones of him in the disguise with the mustache and the whole bit. | ||
| But they're going, hey, wait a minute. | ||
| This looks just like you. | ||
| So, you know, one night my aunt asks them. | ||
| They're at dinner. | ||
| They're all family friends. | ||
| My parents are there. | ||
| My aunt and uncle are there. | ||
| This guy and his wife are there. | ||
| My aunt looks across the table and flat out says, are you D.B. Cooper? | ||
| And he said no. | ||
| But the way that he said no told everybody there that he was, and they never brought it up again, ever. | ||
| Now, as it came out, and my uncle asked him a little bit in private, hey, well, you know, that other night we were having some Chinese food, and you... | ||
| Well... | ||
| My parents and uncles weren't the only one that thought he was. | ||
| The government did too. | ||
| So the FBI had visited this guy, and he even moved away for a while, went to Arizona, and then slowly came back. | ||
| But he was talked to by the FBI. They thought he was D.B. Cooper as well. | ||
| So when my dad was on his deathbed, he and I had a... | ||
| You ask me whatever you want, I'll ask you, and I'll tell you how the story really happened. | ||
| It's a bit of a fun moment between father and son. | ||
| Everybody leaves the room and says, hey, what really happened that night when you came in at 2 a.m. | ||
| smelling like bourbon? | ||
| What really happened that day the principal called and claimed that you and your friends were... | ||
| So we kind of go back and forth, and I ask him flat out, is blah, blah, blah D.B. Cooper? | ||
| And my dad said, well... | ||
| All the evidence is saying that he is. | ||
| Your uncle believes it, your aunt believes it, and your mom believes it. | ||
| I don't think he had the courage. | ||
| I don't think he was. | ||
| So my dad's final ruling on his deathbed was no. | ||
| He said he wasn't. | ||
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But he's D.B. Cooper. | |
| Really? | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| There was another theory that D.B. Cooper was a serial killer. | ||
| That he was a guy who had killed his family, I believe. | ||
| Let's see if you can find that. | ||
| What are you looking up? | ||
| Ted Cooper's? | ||
| Is it some chick who's clamming? | ||
| How is he looking this up so fast? | ||
| It's like you or I have the thought and he's got it on the screen. | ||
| How is he doing that? | ||
| He's got nimble fingers. | ||
| That's very impressive. | ||
| But I tell the story and they don't put it in the book. | ||
| He goes, listen, I can't put it in the book if you won't say the guy's name. | ||
| I go, well, it's my father's story and I can't do it. | ||
| I can't do it. | ||
| It's a pretty goddamn good story. | ||
| That's one of those rare folklore type stories where it just gets passed on and on. | ||
| And the guy jumped in Washington State. | ||
| You know, the jump, D.B. Cooper, and he jumped in Washington State. | ||
| The guy lived in Oregon. | ||
| That's where he went. | ||
| You lived in Oregon most of your life, right? | ||
| Yeah, I'm still there. | ||
| Bigfoot, yes or no? | ||
| Well, absolutely yes. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah, but, you know, the Bigfoot makes it sound like you're some conspiracy theorist. | ||
| I believe they're a Sasquatch, and I believe this because people that I believe and trust, including a doctor, has said, look, I know where they are. | ||
| He knows where they are. | ||
| Yeah, he says it's very hard to get to, and he's got this plan. | ||
| He's got this big grand plan. | ||
| He's a survivalist. | ||
| He's got this whole plan lined up about how we can get to him, and his personal belief, and, you know, it's just a theory, but he lives in that part because Bigfoot's supposed to be from the Northwest. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| He lives in those hills where all these Bigfoot stories come from. | ||
| And he's like, look, it's not a Bigfoot like it's some wild monster living out there. | ||
| I believe there's a pack, a family of Sasquatch that just haven't been discovered. | ||
| We haven't photographed and learned about them. | ||
| I believe there's an entire tribe of these Bigfoot. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Well, how come no bodies, no nothing, no good pictures? | ||
| All the pictures are bullshit. | ||
| All the stories have holes in them. | ||
| Oh, tremendously. | ||
| Tremendously. | ||
| Have you ever watched Finding Bigfoot or any of those shows? | ||
| Yeah, I do. | ||
| I'm embarrassed to admit to you that I think there is a Sasquatch, you know, because I know the kind of people that that attract. | ||
| Well, I'm asking because you lived up there, and that's where most of the Sasquatches are. | ||
| Northern California. | ||
| You know, they talk about the bodies, but the truth is, what bodies do you ever find? | ||
| You know, bears are out there, coyotes are out there. | ||
| Do you ever walk through the forest and find bear carcasses or coyotes? | ||
| You know, you sure don't. | ||
| To your point, there's a number of hoaxes. | ||
| There's a number of guys dressed up in a stupid outfit that you could buy any Halloween, run through while his buddy records it, and they stick it on the internet. | ||
| I get that there's hoaxes, but there is some pretty good footage. | ||
| You said there was none. | ||
| There's some very good footage. | ||
| As a matter of fact, I've done a lot of work in the movie business and stunts and stuff. | ||
| And this topic comes up on Hollywood sets. | ||
| And these are the best guys on earth for designing things to look like humans. | ||
| And they've said that there is one video where as he moves, the muscles and the body part move. | ||
| And stunt coordinators and makeup and costume people in Hollywood say there is no costume created to do that. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| They don't all say that. | ||
| Some of them do say that. | ||
| Some of them do say that, and I think they're idiots. | ||
| And I think if you look at that, that's a man in a fucking monkey suit. | ||
| And it's not even a good monkey suit. | ||
| And the man who did it, this guy Patterson. | ||
| Look up the Patterson Bigfoot footage. | ||
| The guy, Patterson, was a con artist. | ||
| Not only was he a con artist, he was arrested for writing a bad check to buy the very camera that made that video. | ||
| Him and another guy conveniently went looking for Bigfoot and found a video. | ||
| I would be embarrassed if you break this right in front of me, because I've looked into this too, because I live in that area. | ||
| I find it fascinating. | ||
| I believe it's very possible. | ||
| You know one of the reasons why I believe it's possible? | ||
| Because Jane Goodall said it's possible. | ||
| Yes, this is the exact video. | ||
| That's a guy in a monkey suit, bro. | ||
| That doesn't even look good. | ||
| It looks stupid. | ||
| Look at his big fat stupid fucking shirt he has on. | ||
| Big hairy fucking shirt. | ||
| And big stupid looking shoes. | ||
| That's a terrible monkey suit. | ||
| And he's just hunched over. | ||
| And see, that looks good to me. | ||
| Eh, come on, man. | ||
| Back that shit up again. | ||
| There's other ones, Brian, that have been leveled. | ||
| See, that's the footage of him falling down. | ||
| Some people have sent it through computers. | ||
| There you go. | ||
| That's a better video of it. | ||
| No, no, we just saw back then. | ||
| You just had it in the middle. | ||
| It's better. | ||
| Now, again, I do want to be clear before I become the conspiracy theorist. | ||
| Oh, that's what it is. | ||
| I'm sorry. | ||
| The beginning of it is Zoom. | ||
| I don't believe that there's one monster. | ||
| I believe that there's a Sasquatch family. | ||
| Yeah, and I was told this by a guy that I trust. | ||
| That's how everything works. | ||
| Look at the skinny-ass fucking legs. | ||
| Well, I got to tell you. | ||
| That is not... | ||
| That's so stupid looking. | ||
| You're making a pretty darn good case right now, Joe. | ||
| Pause that shit. | ||
| I'm going to have to say... | ||
| I'm starting to rethink... | ||
| But this is actually the video I was referring to. | ||
| Come on. | ||
| Look how dumb that looks. | ||
| It's got tits, too. | ||
| What's that? | ||
| They have double Ds? | ||
| Is that what gorillas have? | ||
| Get the fuck out of here, bitch. | ||
| That's fake. | ||
| That's fake as fuck. | ||
| I have a good fake meter and he looks at that thing. | ||
| I look at his big stupid looking shoes that he's wearing. | ||
| Those aren't feet. | ||
| Get out of here. | ||
| That's a fucking monkey suit. | ||
| It's not even a good one. | ||
| They took a video of a guy. | ||
| The guy just so happened to be out there looking for Sasquatch. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| I fell off my horse and immediately while I had my camera ready, we saw the Bigfoot just strolling along, not a care in the world. | ||
| Let's make sure in fairness that if we dissect that video and we decide that video's garbage, that doesn't make the whole theory garbage. | ||
| I do not not believe in Bigfoot. | ||
| And one of the reasons why is because the area where most Sasquatch sightings are is right at the end of the Bering Strait. | ||
| And between Alaska and the northern coast of the United States, or excuse me, the northwestern coast of the United States, that's where all of the Sasquatch sightings, a huge majority of them, were for a long time. | ||
| They started spreading out all throughout the country, and who knows how many of them are bullshit. | ||
| I mean, the number is weird, but... | ||
| The American Indians had over 200 different names for Sasquatch. | ||
| Or 20. Something with the two. | ||
| A bunch of them. | ||
| And they don't have a lot of mythical animals. | ||
| This was a real thing that they thought lived amongst people. | ||
| And it's a real animal that used to actually live, if you follow the Bering Strait, in Asia. | ||
| It's called Gigantopithecus. | ||
| It was an 8 foot tall, like, good pronunciation. | ||
| You're right. | ||
| A huge Bigfoot. | ||
| It was essentially Bigfoot. | ||
| It is the exact animal. | ||
| Now, I want to tie this school of thought that I said, yeah, I think there's a Sasquatch. | ||
| And then we both agreed on this video. | ||
| We have differing opinions of the video. | ||
| However, if we prove the video one way in my favor or your favor, it doesn't prove the answer to our original thesis, which is, is there a Bigfoot? | ||
| And you see this flaw, this pitfall, as we like to call it, in human thinking when it comes to alien encounter. | ||
| How many times have we seen somebody that says, hey, guess what? | ||
| I was abducted by aliens and I was given a special power. | ||
| In fact, to prove it, I'm going to go ahead and make that light turn off by sitting in my chair and not touching it. | ||
| And that will prove to you that I was abducted by aliens and given this power. | ||
| So now I sit here, I make that light turn off. | ||
| Okay, I've got a power to turn that light off. | ||
| But having that power does not prove that I was given that power by being abducted by aliens. | ||
| But there's a pitfall in human thinking. | ||
| And oftentimes if you can get people to believe one thing one way or the other, they can then connect that to a completely isolated and separate incident. | ||
| Which is what I don't want to happen with the video because I'm realizing right now I'm looking like a real doofus after looking at that video. | ||
| I'm going to need to get my evidence together and come back. | ||
| That video was actually, not only was it proven a hoax, but the guy who played Bigfoot wound up confessing. | ||
| So, yeah. | ||
| Or is that the conspiracy? | ||
| Yeah, it could be. | ||
| It could be just a guy. | ||
| Look, anytime there's some sort of a serial killer, people will come out of the woodwork to... | ||
| Like the D.B. Cooper thing, the same thing. | ||
| People are full of shit. | ||
| People are crazy. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| But that just stinks to me. | ||
| I look at it, it looks stupid. | ||
| I hear people, experts talk about it. | ||
| I'm like, bitch, what are you talking about? | ||
| That doesn't even look remotely real. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| It just... | ||
| It looks dumb. | ||
| And the way it was... | ||
| It's just the odds of this guy finding it. | ||
| No one else has gotten a good photo of it. | ||
| But that doesn't mean that it can't be real. | ||
| If you fly over the Pacific Northwest and you see how dense that part of the world is, I don't think a lot of people really truly understand the amount of acreage of really almost impassable rainforest you deal with in the Pacific Northwest. | ||
| When you fly over these areas where these people are talking about sightings, and they don't just have sightings, by the way, they also have real sound effects, these sounds that are some sort of primate that's screaming out, and they've sent these things to experts, you know, people who are trying to detect hoaxes, you know, and these people that have been on camping and hunting trips have recorded these things, and these are primate noises. | ||
| They don't know what the fuck it is, but it's a primate noise. | ||
| And one of the guys that I think is a real credible guy that has had an encounter is Les Stroud. | ||
| You know the survivor man? | ||
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Yep. | |
| That guy was staying in Alaska. | ||
| He was doing one of those survivor things in Alaska. | ||
| And he said that he was asleep. | ||
| And he was inside his tent or trying to sleep. | ||
| And in the middle of the night, he heard primate noises. | ||
| He heard primate noises in the woods near him. | ||
| And he got out of his bed to try to look and he heard just something running and crashing through the trees when it heard him. | ||
| And to this day, he has no idea what the fuck it could be. | ||
| He said it couldn't have been a bear. | ||
| He goes, it was very clear primate-type noise. | ||
| Something along those lines. | ||
| Something that's just not a bear. | ||
| And whatever the fuck it was, he said it was enormous. | ||
| It might be possible. | ||
| There's enough dense forest that there might be just a few animals. | ||
| I mean, try finding a fox. | ||
| Good luck. | ||
| Go try to find a fox. | ||
| The other day I was driving in Studio City, I saw a coyote. | ||
| This motherfucker just wandering around. | ||
| Just go try and find a coyote in the wild. | ||
| Just go look for one. | ||
| And there's millions of those cunts. | ||
| Coyotes are everywhere. | ||
| To live in the Pacific Northwest, to be a primate, it might be possible. | ||
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Sure. | |
| Well, and then when you talk about the theory of evolution, so you're talking about a Sasquatch, you're talking about a derivative of a human, so you've got to assume that they're a little bit more intelligent than, say, a coyote. | ||
| If it's hard to find a coyote, it's going to be very hard to find a Sasquatch. | ||
| If it's true, I mean, I'm just fueling the fire again. | ||
| I don't want to come up with the guy. | ||
| I believe it because the guy I happen to trust just says, look, I think it's true, and so I'm choosing to believe him more than I believe the evidence. | ||
| How many people do you know that have seen one? | ||
| Me at zero. | ||
| Zero. | ||
| Yeah, I'm at zero. | ||
| Even the guy I trust has never claimed that he's seen one. | ||
| He just said, look, I've looked at the evidence. | ||
| I just think they're there. | ||
| Jane Goodall, she's a monkey expert. | ||
| She said 100%. | ||
| Really? | ||
| 100%, son. | ||
| So there. | ||
| Why are you shaking your head? | ||
| You don't think so? | ||
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No. | |
| What do you think? | ||
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No. | |
| What's the number you think? | ||
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I think the whole thing's bullshit. | |
| 100% bullshit? | ||
| But that comes back to Alien Encounter. | ||
| You get people who used to work at the Pentagon and NASA that come out and claim there's aliens. | ||
| Of course so. | ||
| And again, it's a flaw in human thinking because the guy works at NASA. NASA's got 3,800 desks. | ||
| You don't think a crazy person can get a desk there every now and then? | ||
| The same thing goes for the Pentagon. | ||
| I used to work at the Pentagon. | ||
| The Pentagon's never employed a madman. | ||
| Get out of here. | ||
| Who cares what you used to do? | ||
| Show me an alien! | ||
| Don't give me a pitfall in human things. | ||
| I actually cover this in my book. | ||
| It's on page 92 in The Voice of Reason. | ||
| I talk about human pitfalls, and it's why we're able to believe such outlandish and crazy things. | ||
| Do you remember year 2000, Y2K? We all went into a panic. | ||
| I stayed home with water. | ||
| With water and canned foods. | ||
| I stayed in as well. | ||
| I didn't have my supplies. | ||
| I should have. | ||
| I was at college. | ||
| I didn't have money for the water and canned foods. | ||
| But yeah, we all buy into it. | ||
| It's this hysteria with no evidence. | ||
| Real loose evidence. | ||
| 2012, December 21st. | ||
| End of the Mayan calendar. | ||
| That's another one, huh? | ||
| Nah. | ||
| Except recently they found newer versions of the Mayan calendar that they had never discovered before that were more complete that go far past December 21st, 2012. 10 more years of money making. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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You know what I mean? | |
| Ballin'. | ||
| You got 10 more years of ballin', son. | ||
| How do you feel about that? | ||
| You know, thank you for that line. | ||
| You finally contributed to today's show, besides setting the whole thing up. | ||
| Nice to see you. | ||
| Pipe in over there. | ||
| You look like an intelligent guy. | ||
| You just haven't said much today. | ||
| Do you think he looks like an intelligent guy? | ||
| I was really saying, Chael Sonnen, he knows how to read them, man. | ||
| Right up until that. | ||
| He's got all these wires, man. | ||
| I know he's done something today that we couldn't. | ||
| He's got an odd form of intelligence. | ||
| It's true. | ||
| What would you describe it as? | ||
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What I meant by the Mayan calendar is that it was 10 more years for the people that are behind the whole thing to make more money. | |
| Oh, to say, oh, we said 2012, we made 2022. There's, what, books? | ||
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There's fucking products? | |
| Well, do you remember that one when we had Pinchback in and he's like convinced that something's happening? | ||
| It's like, anytime you're convinced of anything, I'm like, what? | ||
| You know it's going to go down. | ||
| The economy is falling apart right before our eyes. | ||
| Can't rebound? | ||
| Hasn't it been around a long time? | ||
| Exactly, yeah. | ||
| Isn't it kind of flexible? | ||
| Isn't there a bunch of people like fucking with it right now and trying to put it back together again? | ||
| You think they're not going to be able to figure it out? | ||
| Meanwhile, they figured it out in the first place. | ||
| And do you even barely understand it? | ||
| Because I barely do. | ||
| I watched the stock market scroll across my screen. | ||
| It might as well be Mayan hieroglyphs. | ||
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Right. | |
| I don't know what the fuck that means. | ||
| Do you know what any of that stuff means? | ||
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No. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| And yet, one's without us. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| No, the bottom line is relax. | ||
| You know, it'll work itself out. | ||
| Yeah, things might get tough, but how spoiled are we anyway? | ||
| You know, I always hear these debates on education. | ||
| It's like, well, look, when my father went to school, and that wasn't all that long ago, not my great-grandfather, my father, just my dad, when he went to school in high school, if you went for four years, you graduated. | ||
| That was it. | ||
| There were not standards that you must pass this class, you've got to have algebra, and you've got to have geometry, and you've got... | ||
| If you show up for four years, you get a degree. | ||
| And, you know, back in the olden day, there was no first grade, second grade, third grade. | ||
| They all went to school together. | ||
| Everyone in the neighborhood showed up to the same school and the teacher taught them all. | ||
| And those are the same people that have now built our bridges and our churches and brought us technology and evolved into Steve Jobs and Apple and Microsoft and Bill Gates and these wonderful things. | ||
| So apparently the education system It doesn't necessarily need this great revamping. | ||
| I mean, before we even had textbooks and computers, people were learning and people were doing great things in this country. | ||
| So, you know, we've gotten so spoiled and we've turned weak. | ||
| You know, we've become feminized and our masculinity's gone in a lot of things, such as having grit and digging deep. | ||
| And if the economy sucks and you've got to find a better way and you've got to cut back, then that's what you've got to do. | ||
| but grin and bear you know you don't go build a a hole in a cave somewhere and wait for the end of the world man up well one of the issues with you know trying to get by in today's society and bringing your kids into schools is that there's a lot of fucking people out there that have done a real shitty job of raising kids a real shitty job and when you put your kids around them your kids are in danger and you | ||
| There's liabilities and there's all kinds of bullying and stupid shit that goes on and crime. | ||
| And if you can't figure out a way to get your kids out of those situations, they never even have a chance to let the system work on them. | ||
| A big part of what school is is sending your kid to some sort of an awkward fucking prison that they're stuck at for many hours a day, especially if you lived in any sort of economically compromised situation, any sort of place where there's a lot of poor people, any place where there's a lot of people that are down and out, and there's a lot of fucking shitty parents, and you got to go to school and deal with gangbangers and all kinds of other craziness while just trying to stay alive, trying to stay healthy. | ||
| Fuck learning. | ||
| Good luck. | ||
| Half this country, good fucking luck trying to learn something in public school. | ||
| And how much energy are our politicians putting on that? | ||
| How much has anybody changed budgets where they're enhancing school budgets and paying teachers much more? | ||
| Try to make it commensurate for what it's worth. | ||
| Make it commensurate, rather, for what it's worth. | ||
| Like a doctor. | ||
| Like having a good teacher is just as important as having a good doctor. | ||
| You're having someone that develops the way you fucking think about life. | ||
| Not just shows you information that you need to memorize for some stupid fucking test that you're not going to absorb anything out of. | ||
| They show you how to think. | ||
| They show you how to live your life. | ||
| They show you good examples of people who have lived quality lives and they get you to think and pattern your thoughts in a certain direction. | ||
| And most kids aren't even getting that today. | ||
| Most kids are getting a shit-fucking experience in public school. | ||
| That's what the problem is. | ||
| Sure, people need to man up. | ||
| Absolutely, fucking for sure. | ||
| But it also comes with having kids and raising your fucking kids. | ||
| And being a man in the first place. | ||
| Raising your kids properly and correctly. | ||
| Well, how many people are doing that, man? | ||
| It's a small percentage. | ||
| It may be 30%. | ||
| Let's put a number on it. | ||
| Let's go crazy and say it's 30%. | ||
| That means you're dealing with 70% possible fuck-ups. | ||
| And not every kid that comes from a fucked-up household becomes an asshole, but goddamn, a lot of them do. | ||
| How many times did you have to deal with kids in high school and in college even that were just a fucking mess all the time? | ||
| And it was always because of the way they grew up. | ||
| It was always because their brother fucked them over, their parents fucked them over, nobody paid attention to them, and that poor asshole just gets jutted into the school system and has to fucking figure out his own way to the surface of the water. | ||
| That's the problem. | ||
| It is partly because people are weak and sissified in this country, but it's also because the system is run by cunts. | ||
| The system is run by a bunch of greedy cunts that don't pay attention to the most important resource this country has. | ||
| It's children. | ||
| The most important resource. | ||
| You want to have a great, powerful country? | ||
| You've got to have a smaller percentage of losers. | ||
| And how do you have a smaller percentage of losers? | ||
| Well, you have to go into the fucking places where there's the most losers economically and help those fucking kids. | ||
| Joe, you are on fire right now, man. | ||
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It's true, right? | |
| Keep going. | ||
| I'm a sociologist. | ||
| This is what I got my degree in. | ||
| You are on fire right now. | ||
| You're saying this in a simple manner, but this is actually very deep. | ||
| You know, the first time I ever came to one of your comedy shows, you know, I went through school. | ||
| I went and got certified smart. | ||
| I sit in on lectures. | ||
| I've written papers. | ||
| I read every book and get my hands on. | ||
| I left your first comedy show. | ||
| I've never thought more than I did at your show. | ||
| And I thought, I can never tell him that or he's going to go, you're listening to a high comedian. | ||
| You know, I'm going to look like a fool if I tell this, but I couldn't disagree with you more. | ||
| But when you say very simple things like, marijuana's never killed anybody, and 14 people died last year because coconuts fell on their head. | ||
| 150. We're not making coconuts illegal. | ||
| I can't help but look at that and have to think and rethink my stance. | ||
| And I'm like, I don't want to agree with Joe. | ||
| I'm on the right. | ||
| He's on the left. | ||
| I don't like this. | ||
| But why don't I like it? | ||
| Because he's making a damn good point. | ||
| And what you just said could be two or three chapters in any sociological book, and you are right on the money. | ||
| Well, I mean, I'm not on the right or the left. | ||
| I'm on the right about a lot of shit. | ||
| I'm on the right about guns. | ||
| I'm on the right about punishment. | ||
| I'm on the right about a lot of things. | ||
| I'm on the left when it comes to people having fucking freedom. | ||
| Maybe you're a libertarian. | ||
| I'm much more of a libertarian than I am a liberal. | ||
| I believe in a certain amount of social Darwinism. | ||
| But I don't think it should ever apply to children. | ||
| I think if you want to be a fucking loser and you want to go out in your life and fuck it up, that's one thing. | ||
| But I think a tribe protects its children. | ||
| And if we are anything in America, I think we're a tribe. | ||
| We're a community. | ||
| We're one gigantic fucking tribe. | ||
| And if we have any kids that are out there that aren't getting taken care of, then we're failing. | ||
| We're failing. | ||
| So that's our foundation. | ||
| So it doesn't matter what the fuck we do at the very top of the apex with, you know, traveling to the fucking moon and working on the Star Wars program. | ||
| That doesn't matter if our foundation is full of shit. | ||
| So the very way our society is constructed, it's to let you know that the people running it are fools. | ||
| It's like a road map to retardation. | ||
| You see it real clearly, connect the dots. | ||
| Oh, you're just a bunch of greedy douchebags. | ||
| This is it. | ||
| Real simple. | ||
| Again, that's sociology. | ||
| You're not talking psychology. | ||
| You're talking sociology right now. | ||
| I'm completely with you. | ||
| If you were the president, how would you fix all this, Joe Sonnen? | ||
| How would you fix this world? | ||
| Well, that's such a deep question, and I think about that a lot. | ||
| Do you? | ||
| I ran for office. | ||
| I know you did. | ||
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I'm involved. | |
| I'm a statesman. | ||
| You know who I want to be president is Brian Stan, and he's got the resume. | ||
| He can fucking do it. | ||
| He literally could become the president of the United States. | ||
| I'd vote for him in a heartbeat. | ||
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
| And he's got a guy that corners him named John Bartis. | ||
| John Bartis helped to get Newt Gingrich elected. | ||
| He's out of Georgia. | ||
| Brian's out of Georgia. | ||
| And that isn't to brag on Newt Gingrich. | ||
| What I'm saying is Brian has the people around him that know how to do this. | ||
| I mean, this guy's an All-American from the Naval Academy. | ||
| He's a war hero. | ||
| He's a sports hero. | ||
| And he's as squeaky clean as they come. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| And he's intelligent, articulate, thoughtful. | ||
| People love him. | ||
| Great guy. | ||
| When I make that comment of he could be president, people don't understand. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| He really could be the president, and he should run. | ||
| And I like to throw these plugs out there so that the right amount of people will push him. | ||
| That's how we got George Washington. | ||
| It's not a job he wanted to do. | ||
| People came to him, and he was finally willing to do it. | ||
| So, anyway, I have no idea what we're even talking about. | ||
| Oh, what would I do if I were the president? | ||
| You'd elect Brian Stanton. | ||
| Yeah, I would definitely bring Brian Stanton into a cabinet role. | ||
| He would be somebody that you would listen to, a true leader of men. | ||
| But, you know, look, there's so many things that need to be done, but the first thing that I would do as president... | ||
| Could you imagine if you had Rampage as a vice president? | ||
| You know what I would put you on? | ||
| I would quit lying. | ||
| And every politician in the country, from the state level to the federal level, have all, in the last four years, which is two cycles if you're in the House, have all ran on the same thing. | ||
| Every one of them, unanimously, in the country, all 50 states, jobs in the economy. | ||
| They gotta quit. | ||
| No politician has ever created a job. | ||
| Ever. | ||
| Unless it's a state job. | ||
| And don't bring up state jobs where you're taking from doers and giving to non-doers. | ||
| Where you're taking tax dollars from hard workers and giving it to people in a state job. | ||
| And I'm not saying those aren't important. | ||
| But don't count that as creating a job. | ||
| Look, if you're a lawmaker, Joe, you can do two things. | ||
| And two things only. | ||
| Tax and regulate. | ||
| And neither taxation nor regulation is good for job growth. | ||
| And they need to come clean and just say that. | ||
| So you think state jobs are bad for job growth because they didn't come about organically? | ||
| Yeah, I just don't think you can count it. | ||
| You know, when you're talking about creating jobs, what you've done is grow the size of government. | ||
| So now we've got more Big Brother, we have more regulation, more people looking over. | ||
| What's an example of like a bullshit state job that they can create? | ||
| I don't think... | ||
| Well, okay, let's look at the Department of Education. | ||
| Let's look at the Department of Health. | ||
| What are these guys doing? | ||
| You can't get two nutritionalists to agree. | ||
| You can't get them to agree. | ||
| There's so much done on nutrition. | ||
| There's books written on blood type. | ||
| Some people need more saturated fats. | ||
| They love to do this whole thing about... | ||
| They're doing it right here in California. | ||
| You can't give out a Happy Meal if it's over 500 calories. | ||
| It can't include a toy. | ||
| They're coming down to McDonald's as opposed to telling parents, hey, take responsibility and regulation. | ||
| Now, what if your kid's an athlete? | ||
| What if your kid's, you know, wrestling like I had to do as a kid? | ||
| I need calories, and I also happen to need fat. | ||
| So don't come out and tell me that it's not important. | ||
| If you want to have a Big Mac, you should be able to have a fucking Big Mac. | ||
| I should be able to have two Big Macs. | ||
| And if it comes with a toy and it helps me to pull through your drive-thru as opposed to your competitors, that's called capitalism. | ||
| And for the government to get involved is beyond inappropriate. | ||
| You brought up Barry Bonds earlier and Mark McGuire, and I don't care what those guys did either because I don't follow baseball. | ||
| But what I do care about is the government got involved. | ||
| They had a congressional hearing for Congress to get involved with sport Is beyond inappropriate. | ||
| And that's what they should have said. | ||
| And if I was a congressman up there and my fellow congressman, it's my turn to Spock. | ||
| I'm going to say shame on you and shame on you to the fellow congressman. | ||
| I'm going to say get out there and do something relevant. | ||
| And if people want to quit going to the ballgame, capitalism will fix that sport and nothing else. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| The market will dictate where that silly sport is. | ||
| And it's a self-regulating sport, too. | ||
| They choose to agree on what is in the contract. | ||
| There's a reason why the NBA doesn't test for marijuana. | ||
| It's because everybody would be tested positive. | ||
| Those dudes are blazed to the gills. | ||
| So it's not like, well, we're going to eliminate all illegal aspects of any basketball game. | ||
| No, they have shit they agree on and shit they don't agree on. | ||
| And they put things in contracts just to make sure that they can... | ||
| You know, each side enforces their point, but a lot of it is ridiculous. | ||
| Completely ridiculous. | ||
| And congressional here. | ||
| Congress? | ||
| You're going to sit down with the people that are involved at the highest level of our government, and you're going to debate the hit-the-ball-with-the-stick game. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Oh, the guy's too good at it. | ||
| He's taking some extra chemicals and it makes him really good if they hit the ball with a stick game. | ||
| And those little kids that are watching at home are going to be real disappointed, man. | ||
| They find out that that guy took some extra stuff that makes him better if they hit the ball with a stick game. | ||
| Right. | ||
| What the fuck? | ||
| No, I think it's shameful. | ||
| I think it's shameful that Congress got involved in that. | ||
| And I think, you know, to call a congressional hearing, they call it a number of ridiculous things. | ||
| They call it on the poor guy from BP because they got an oil leak out in the ocean. | ||
| Now, that's horrible, and I don't want to see the ocean get a leak, but I assure you, BP, who's making money, doesn't want to see a leak either. | ||
| They want to see that taken care of. | ||
| They want to get that cleaned up. | ||
| They want their shareholders happy. | ||
| Well, it actually turned out in the BP case that they had actually cut corners to save money and made a shoddy product. | ||
| That was a real fucking disaster. | ||
| That's a different situation. | ||
| That's a company that was, you know, they're responsible for that. | ||
| They fucked up. | ||
| They didn't build the... | ||
| There's two different ways to build that valve, and they didn't build it. | ||
| They took a shortcut to make it happen quicker. | ||
| And they'd been warned about that, too. | ||
| That was a fucking tremendous disaster. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| We had members of Congress going on shows and telling pundits, hey, listen, we need to get the military out there. | ||
| Now, of course, they don't say what the military is going to do. | ||
| What's the military going to do? | ||
| They're going to shoot at the oil? | ||
| What are they possibly going to do? | ||
| Well, they were talking about dropping a nuke. | ||
| Somebody was talking about dropping a nuke and closing on. | ||
| That's how they're going to close off the oil, drop a nuke on it. | ||
| It's ridiculous. | ||
| Could you imagine what that would look like? | ||
| Just dolphins and whales flying into the fucking sky. | ||
| Have you ever seen the photograph of that bomb that they blew off in the ocean? | ||
| Brian, pull that picture up. | ||
| It's Nuclear Test Ocean Pacific something. | ||
| It was incredible. | ||
| I don't know what year this was. | ||
| It was a long time ago. | ||
| But the actual explosion from this nuclear bomb that they dropped in the ocean, the water was so much bigger than they thought it was going to be. | ||
| They set all these battleships around it like they were going to monitor this thing and see what the impact was. | ||
| The battleships just got flying. | ||
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| They get flown sideways. | ||
| It's like miles high, water straight up into the air. | ||
| It's incredible. | ||
| Now, while we're waiting for the video, I'm going to play the one-up game. | ||
| And I don't one-up you. | ||
| I'm going to come in second here, but I want to relate. | ||
| I had a friend that had to do two years in a military prison because when he was in Iraq during the war of 92, way back, but he was in my neighborhood, he shot a camel with a law. | ||
| And a law is a rocket launcher. | ||
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Oh. | |
| So they're out in the desert. | ||
| They got nothing to do. | ||
| A camel goes by and he shoots his thing. | ||
| So you're talking about wanting to see a picture. | ||
| I don't like that the camel had to give his life. | ||
| And, you know, as the rumor goes, they're quite coveted over there. | ||
| I don't say this to be disingenuous or denigrating. | ||
| But I'm told you, you can even marry one over there. | ||
| Whether that's true or not, I don't know. | ||
| But it's that serious. | ||
| He shot it with a rocket launcher. | ||
| Now, I don't want that poor camel to have to die, but I do want to see that. | ||
| If there was a video or a footage and my buddy had to do it, a guy in my neighborhood has to go to military prison for two years, I at least need to see what happens when a rocket meets a camel in the desert. | ||
| Why did they put him away for so long? | ||
| Two years is a long ass time. | ||
| Extremely disrespectful. | ||
| I mean, you're really talking about offending people in that part of the world. | ||
| See, we don't understand that. | ||
| I don't get it either. | ||
| I watched one of those Anthony Bourdain shows, those reservation shows where they cooked a camel. | ||
| Anthony Bourdain style. | ||
| They killed a camel and cooked it. | ||
| Yeah, they slow cooked it underground. | ||
| It's like, whoa, you're eating a camel? | ||
| I didn't even know they ate camels. | ||
| I guess when you're stuck out there and there's nothing but camels, you've got to make do. | ||
| But it was like a special dish that they would only have at certain times. | ||
| I was in trouble because I talked about the people on the streets of Manus in Brazil eating monkey. | ||
| Well, it's true. | ||
| They do. | ||
| And it's like, listen, now, before you think I'm making fun of you, you might want to know what we put in hot dogs right here at Yankee Stadium here in America. | ||
| We eat some pretty weird stuff, too. | ||
| But it happens to be a true story that they do eat monkey in Brazil. | ||
| But the point that I'm getting at is they eat weird stuff around the world, man. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And I think I personally like it when I travel. | ||
| I like to try some of that weird. | ||
| I don't want to eat snails. | ||
| I eat pig intestines and turkey, but I didn't know that's what I was eating. | ||
| I think the mere word intestine is disgusting. | ||
| And I was pretty upset when I found out I did. | ||
| You never had snail? | ||
| Like escargot? | ||
| Yeah, I've had escargot on a cruise ship as a kid. | ||
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Delicious. | |
| My dad tricked me. | ||
| I don't like it. | ||
| I do like caviar. | ||
| Now that I've gotten older, I didn't like it as a kid. | ||
| But when the Russians come over for a wrestling or a dual meet, or even the Russian fighters, they all bring caviar that you can trade with them. | ||
| Trade means you give me money, I give you caviar. | ||
| Is it worth a lot of money, their caviar? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Russian caviar is the most famous kind of caviar. | ||
| It's kind of like a Cuban cigar. | ||
| If you can get a hold of Russian caviar, especially back with the USSR before the breakup of the Soviet Union, it was almost impossible to get Russian caviar. | ||
| That's one of those weird things. | ||
| So we deemed it to be a little better than it actually is, but it is coveted. | ||
| If you can get it and it says Russian on the label, you'll be the head of your neighborhood party. | ||
| It's like, yeah, like you said, like Cuban cigars. | ||
| I've always thought it was weird that it's an acquired taste. | ||
| It's so expensive and it's an acquired taste. | ||
| Like, why would you want to acquire a taste for something that's really expensive that you initially don't like? | ||
| Sure. | ||
| It tastes like salt, you know. | ||
| I happen to like it because now they've eased us into it because they roll all of our local sushi rolls in a type of caviar, real cheap, that yellowy stuff. | ||
| But, you know, I've learned to like it as I've gotten older. | ||
| There you go, ladies and gentlemen. | ||
| I would like to just tell people that I have caviar. | ||
| Great American. | ||
| Loves caviar. | ||
| Russian caviar. | ||
| Anything else? | ||
| We're going to wrap this bitch up and bring it home. | ||
| I had a great time. | ||
| I've got to tell you, I had a really good time. | ||
| I learned some things about you today. | ||
| You're not just that pothead comedian I thought you were. | ||
| You've got Second Amendment and some deep thoughts. | ||
| And whether you know it or not, you're a sociologist. | ||
| Listen to some of your arguments today, whether you've been certified in it like I went to school or not. | ||
| You're a sociologist and I admire that. | ||
| Well, I'm just a stand-up comedian. | ||
| I think as a stand-up comedian, you have to understand human beings to understand yourself in order to move forward, to advance, to evolve. | ||
| You've got to understand human beings. | ||
| You've got to understand yourself. | ||
| My observations are just a part of life. | ||
| Cool. | ||
| Just like yours. | ||
| Just like your book. | ||
| VIP Pass to Enlightenment. | ||
| What's the first part of it? | ||
| Voice of Reason. | ||
| Voice of Reason, which you can get right now on Amazon. | ||
| You can just go if you have a Kindle and get it. | ||
| And you should get a Kindle because they're fucking awesome. | ||
| They are great. | ||
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That's how I bought my mother's day present. | |
| I just sent her a Kindle. | ||
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No, just sent her a book. | |
| So now I can just send her books now. | ||
| Oh, you can buy it for somebody else? | ||
| Oh, that is a great service. | ||
| And it's amazing. | ||
| The fucking battery lasts forever. | ||
| I have a Kindle. | ||
| The battery lasts forever. | ||
| It looks great. | ||
| It looks like printed word. | ||
| You can even make the print larger or smaller. | ||
| Like me, I'm going blind, so I have to make the print larger. | ||
| It's amazing. | ||
| It's an amazing product. | ||
| I have an iPad, and I'll watch books on that too. | ||
| I like the effect more, the scrolling, but it's better on the eyes, the Kindle. | ||
| I think the Kindle is a superior device. | ||
| I'm an audio book guy myself. | ||
| I like audiobooks. | ||
| I love audiobooks if they're read well, but every now and then, like, I bought a couple Stephen King books that were written or read by Stephen King. | ||
| Those are fucking terrible. | ||
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Yeah, Roger Ebert's new book is not... | |
| He shouldn't have done it himself. | ||
| Roger Ebert? | ||
| He's kidding. | ||
| That's a bad joke. | ||
| The guy's got no jock. | ||
| Right, I know who he is. | ||
| Don't do that, dude. | ||
| That's some bad karma. | ||
| That's like that show that takes you out, JFK, so I was at the Tom Likens show, and they... | ||
| Come on. | ||
| Yeah, how rude. | ||
| How rude. | ||
| Anyway, that's the end of this show, ladies and gentlemen. | ||
| If you want to follow Chael on Twitter, it's SonnenCH. | ||
| How did you get that one? | ||
| Why not just Chael Sonnen? | ||
| I didn't know much about Twitter when I set it up. | ||
| I bet they could change it. | ||
| Yeah, and I wish it was Chael. | ||
| Somebody else told me. | ||
| Tell the UFC to go after that. | ||
| No, just somebody's got it. | ||
| Unless it's an actual Chael Sonnen, which I doubt. | ||
| How many Chael Sonnens have you ever met in life? | ||
| I've met a few Joe Rogans. | ||
| No Chael Sonnens. | ||
| It's unusual. | ||
| You can get that shit on Twitter. | ||
| That's SonnenCH. | ||
| Yeah, and you say tell the UFC to go. | ||
| What is the UFC having a department? | ||
| Who do I call? | ||
| The Twitter department. | ||
| Say go after that? | ||
| Call Donna. | ||
| I'll call Donna. | ||
| Hey, Joe said go after that. | ||
| The Twitter department. | ||
| I bet someone, I bet whoever has the Chael Sonny, he would probably be happy to give it to you. | ||
| Hey, hey douchebag, you squatter. | ||
| Stop hiding and holding on to Chael Sonnen's thing. | ||
| Just give him the password. | ||
| Well, I take it from when I could just stare at him. | ||
| I was going to say the same thing. | ||
| Actually, it wouldn't work that way because you want to get all your followers and bring them over there. | ||
| How many followers you got? | ||
| I got 152,193. | ||
| Not that I keep track or anything. | ||
| You can't not have that. | ||
| So you've got to have to figure out a way to get Twitter to merge the two. | ||
| They did with me. | ||
| I had a different Twitter name. | ||
| And they merged it and made it Joe Rogan. | ||
| Oh, excellent. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I think I bought it. | ||
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No. | |
| Did I buy it? | ||
| No. | ||
| I bought MySpace. | ||
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Oh, that's right. | |
| I bought my... | ||
| What a waste. | ||
| My crony Nick over at Tap Out is friends with the creator of Twitter, so maybe we can put him on there. | ||
| Maybe we can have him go after it. | ||
| Let's make it happen. | ||
| All right, so it's sunnch for now on Twitter, and thank you to everybody that tunes in. | ||
| Of course, thank you to The Fleshlight, our sponsor. | ||
| Go to joerogan.net, click on the link for The Fleshlight, enter in the codename Rogan, and you will save yourself 15%. | ||
| There you go, Skipper. | ||
| Aha! | ||
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| That's O-N-N-I-T. Use the code name ROGAN and save yourself 10%. | ||
| Tomorrow, we're going to be here with Michael Rupert. | ||
| That's right, Michael Rupert. | ||
| A former LA narcotics officer who busted the CIA selling drugs in the hood. | ||
| That's D-A-H-O-O-D. And he'll be back to spread more what, Brian? | ||
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Fox magic. | |
| Fox magic. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| We'll see you guys tomorrow. | ||
| Chael Sonny, you're the fucking man. | ||
| And good luck to you, sir, in your rematch for your title, right? | ||
| Is it your title? | ||
| Thank you, brother. | ||
| It is my title. | ||
| Undefeated and Undisputed. | ||
| That's it, folks. | ||
| Boom. |
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