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unidentified
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And we're back to wrap it up. | |
We just stepped outside. | ||
Sacrified the sacred plant to the fire gods. | ||
Try to put Brian in a better state of mind. | ||
I think you feel like a lot of people are attacking you. | ||
I get attacked a lot nowadays. | ||
I know you do. | ||
We talked about that earlier, but we're not attacking you. | ||
And one of the things that I think that's real important that I brought up earlier is be generous to a point where it's indefensible. | ||
Be generous to a point where, you know, people know that what you're doing is you're doing it all for the right reasons. | ||
I think if you're a listener, you know that already, what I do for comedy. | ||
unidentified
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And that was the one thing I started screaming at Duncan was like, you don't understand how much I do for comics. | |
My free time is devoted to 100% of doing shit for free for other comics. | ||
Now, if they don't see that... | ||
I would tell you this, though, but there's a lot of clubs over the years that have had this theory that, well, you're lucky to be getting the stage time. | ||
And a part of comedians, we don't respect ourselves, so we're like, absolutely, you're absolutely right. | ||
But that other part is like, fuck. | ||
Yeah, but I'm also not driving to Pasadena fucking editing audio software for you. | ||
unidentified
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I'm not fucking doing all this shit. | |
That's not the same as saying, like, yeah, you should be happy to be in this room. | ||
Listen, bro, what you're doing, Listen, this is what you're doing. | ||
You set up a beautiful thing. | ||
It ain't bad. | ||
There's nothing wrong with it. | ||
And when I ask you about how many shows you want, just to sort of illuminate people as to what you're doing. | ||
I like what you're doing. | ||
I like a lot of shows that come out of what you're doing. | ||
But I think that we have to always be very careful that if there's any money that's ever taking place in any sort of a thing where you're selling comedy, comedians get super defensive and super sensitive when you're selling a show and the comics are going to go up and do their stand-up and they're not going to get compensated from it, but yet they know that money is exchanging hands. | ||
unidentified
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Well, it's a show that people don't use as a workout room for the most part. | |
These are people that are just like fucking around, like not actually like I'm selling. | ||
And plus the fact that there's like seven or eight people usually on each one of these shows. | ||
I think it's a little different than if I were like, hey, me, Ari, and you are doing a show at the Hollywood Improv. | ||
It scales. | ||
It's definitely scales. | ||
Well, you wouldn't get to do that. | ||
First of all, the reason why you get to control this money at all is because I gave it to you. | ||
Because I don't... | ||
I'm not paying you to rent that place out. | ||
And since then, I'm like, look, I'll give you all my money from my shows. | ||
unidentified
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So the shows will sell out. | |
The shows I do are 90% of the shows that go on there. | ||
unidentified
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Well, I do them every week. | |
Usually, you're not there every week. | ||
Okay, let's not say 90%. | ||
It's more than half. | ||
More than half. | ||
And it's more than pays the rent. | ||
The idea being that I think... | ||
When a comic knows that you're... | ||
Even if you're only making $150 to a comic that's like, why doesn't he make $50 and give us $50? | ||
That's how they think. | ||
You're selling stand-up comedy. | ||
And this is why the fact that you guys are doing all this, to me, I'm like, alright, bottom line, each one of these shows for going in there and being there for five hours, for going in there and putting together all these comics, putting up advertising and making posters for it, all this... | ||
All this shit, if it's not worth $150, if it's not worth $150, then I'm not doing it. | ||
unidentified
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If I'm getting this much trouble for $150, fuck it then. | |
I'm not doing it anymore. | ||
Wait, but hold on, hold on. | ||
At $15 a ticket, $150, even at 60%, that's 20 tickets. | ||
unidentified
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I'm saying the average after-tax. | |
Uh-huh. | ||
That I get after paying the host in comics or whatever is usually about $150. | ||
Well, look, if you're spending money paying the comics and you feel good about that, you could sit down with them and say, look, I'm paying you. | ||
unidentified
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Because you know what? | |
The only reason what it is, it's whoever you heard it from or whatever whispers you heard it from. | ||
And Duncan, for some reason, who's been on one show, I think. | ||
We're going to pay the comedy store for $15. | ||
unidentified
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Yeah, but Duncan's been on one show, I think. | |
We like it. | ||
We like the $15 we get at the comedy store. | ||
unidentified
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Right. | |
Yeah. | ||
It's just like, oh, cool. | ||
It's something nominal to say. | ||
unidentified
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I get it. | |
You want it. | ||
unidentified
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I get it, man. | |
I get it. | ||
But I'm just saying that after that... | ||
I know what you're saying. | ||
You're saying that you... | ||
unidentified
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It's not worth it to me. | |
I don't give a shit. | ||
You're saying you're doing a good thing by creating this spot for them to warm up and they don't appreciate that. | ||
And that if you're not at least getting something out of it, like $150, you're not going to do it. | ||
unidentified
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Or just doing it. | |
Honestly, you know how hard it is devoting almost every Friday to being somewhere and on fact of that, being on there for five or six hours? | ||
unidentified
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That's called a job. | |
I completely understand that. | ||
unidentified
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On the worst night ever. | |
But to comedians, they're also doing a job too. | ||
And they're also selling something valuable, their work and their material. | ||
And they know that even though you are putting together a promotion, the promoter shouldn't be the only one that's getting money out of it. | ||
unidentified
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No, and they don't. | |
Well, we need to work that out. | ||
That should be an indefensible position. | ||
unidentified
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No, you know what it should be? | |
It should be each one of the comics that come on it either goes, hey, can I get $20? | ||
I'm like, okay. | ||
Well, you want them to ask for money? | ||
unidentified
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No, no. | |
If you are somebody that are like, no, I think I need to be paid, I think I need to deserve it, compared to me, I will do almost any show for free. | ||
unidentified
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I never care about fucking money at all. | |
Okay, Brian, but you're fair. | ||
Hold on, but then you're saying I need to get this $150. | ||
unidentified
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What's that? | |
Hold on, just so you know, $30 to an MC is 20 paid tickets after taxes. | ||
I get it, but for comedy, I don't want to get paid for the most part. | ||
unidentified
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I don't think that I need to get paid. | |
I have fun with it. | ||
So then why don't you give out this money to people? | ||
unidentified
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Huh? | |
Why don't you give out the money to people? | ||
Give them 20 bucks a piece. | ||
Give them 40 bucks a piece. | ||
unidentified
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That's what I do. | |
But you haven't been doing that. | ||
unidentified
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Yes, I have. | |
I haven't gotten that since the first time we did that show. | ||
unidentified
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Why do you think that? | |
But that was what you were saying. | ||
You said you only paid the hosts. | ||
No, I paid hosts in any comics that I know. | ||
How many people have asked for money? | ||
Okay, but just because they're poor doesn't mean there's less or more deserving of that money. | ||
If I do a spot for 15 minutes, I don't care if you do a spot for 15 minutes too, Joe. | ||
I don't deserve that more or less than him. | ||
unidentified
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No, no, no one. | |
The only time I really ever pay somebody is if I know for these shows. | ||
unidentified
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If I know this person, I would appreciate it. | |
You know, like, dude, thank you so much, man. | ||
You know, I fucking have no money and stuff like that. | ||
But when it's somebody that's pretty comfortable, like, I feel like I'm very average-paced. | ||
Like, if it's something like me, because it's pretty comfortable, I don't want you to pay me, and I'm not doing it for money. | ||
unidentified
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That's your decision. | |
And this show has always been like when, hey, I got this room in the ice house. | ||
You want to do it? | ||
It's like a workout room. | ||
Totally. | ||
I consider this more like, do you want to come to a really good audience at a workout room? | ||
Yeah. | ||
Well, then here's what you should do. | ||
unidentified
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Not a show. | |
Charge no cover. | ||
Tell the ice house, hey, give me 150 bucks. | ||
I'll pack this place. | ||
Charge no cover and there's no problem. | ||
unidentified
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Absolutely. | |
That's a great idea. | ||
Terrible idea. | ||
unidentified
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Yeah. | |
Great idea, because you know why? | ||
I'm not in it for money. | ||
unidentified
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I'm not in it for money. | |
I charge five bucks, and I keep it as low as possible. | ||
Anybody who asks for a comp, I give it to them, and I still give the rest to charity, because I don't want the responsibility. | ||
unidentified
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Somebody else can completely do the desk watch show there. | |
Brian, it's very difficult to say you're not in it for money and then say you need a certain amount of money or you won't do it. | ||
Because in my opinion, if I had to be asked, hey, every Friday you have to... | ||
The work you'd put into it. | ||
unidentified
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Yeah. | |
If you have to go here, you have to sit here and record work. | ||
And then those podcasts usually go from like three to five hours. | ||
Well, not the podcast, because some people don't... | ||
Oh, those podcasts... | ||
I think the move is to put it all in the hands of the Ice House. | ||
Give the Ice House the contact numbers for all the people that want to be on the show. | ||
unidentified
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Well, that's what I do. | |
That's what I do. | ||
Have them pay it. | ||
unidentified
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That's what I do. | |
Whenever I don't want to do it. | ||
They don't pay either. | ||
They pay their headliners a hundred bucks, those Ice House people. | ||
Do they really? | ||
unidentified
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Well, it's... | |
It was always a thing. | ||
A hundred bucks for headliners. | ||
Except for when you or Gabriel would come in. | ||
unidentified
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These comedy clubs aren't making that much fucking money. | |
They have to pay the staff. | ||
They have to... | ||
It's true. | ||
That place especially has got so much history behind it. | ||
That place has been around for 50 plus years. | ||
It's such a great place. | ||
But I think that we've got to be real considerate of comics and the fact that comics have a legitimate gripe when it comes to worrying about someone making money. | ||
I mean, it has to be explained, I think, in a... | ||
In a thoughtful manner, and not in this knee-jerk, sort of angry, yelly, sort of shouty type of way. | ||
Live in front of other people when you don't even come to me and talk to me. | ||
unidentified
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I thought we were friends. | |
Fuck you, Duncan Trussell. | ||
Oh, come on, man. | ||
See, this is exactly what I'm talking about. | ||
unidentified
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Fuck Duncan Trussell. | |
Stop, man. | ||
Stop. | ||
Look, this is this kind of... | ||
Why? | ||
Because he told you on a podcast. | ||
unidentified
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Because he's, you know what, I'm just done. | |
I've done so much for that dude and he just pretty much attacked me. | ||
unidentified
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I was like, fuck him. | |
Well, you know what, if he had no point, no place to stand, if he had no point, if he had no place to talk to you about this, there was no argument there, then it would have no impact. | ||
The reason why it has somewhat of an impact is because it is an arguable position. | ||
Is there ever a way to talk about it where someone says, let's just say this argument, say, hey, so-and-so, you should pay this much money to so-and-so, and instead of going like, what the fuck, I do this and this, instead of going that, I go, well, hmm, let me think about that. | ||
Why should I or shouldn't I pay this person this much money or less money or more money and just have a nice conversation about it? | ||
Yeah. | ||
That's why I don't think it's worth it to me. | ||
Well, I think you took on a job that you didn't quite know how much time it was going to take. | ||
unidentified
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I did just go on stage. | |
It's a lot of effort. | ||
Just to call the people and schedule the times and have them come in, I wouldn't want to do it. | ||
I went from going to doing open mics with a lot of these people that I have on these shows or just going to different clubs and doing stage time and never doing real shows with these people. | ||
So when I decided to take on this crazy shit, it was more like, hey, I got access to this room. | ||
unidentified
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I can make a show and we can get all together and we can have a show once a week. | |
It'd be cool. | ||
So you didn't think of it as a financial decision at all. | ||
It was just for fun. | ||
unidentified
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Absolutely. | |
One of the things we were talking about, though, when we had this conversation with Madrigal and you there at the Ice House those nights, one of the things we were all saying is, and we'll just take the money. | ||
Not them. | ||
We will. | ||
It'll be us. | ||
But how many tickets would you have to sell to get $150 at $15 apiece? | ||
Average, I think that thing holds $75 or something like that. | ||
unidentified
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Sometimes they stuff in a lot. | |
So 10 people and you only get, you take taxes out of that? | ||
So you only get 60% of that? | ||
unidentified
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Huh? | |
I'm trying to think how many tickets you would have to sell to go over that $150 mark. | ||
unidentified
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I have no idea. | |
I don't know. | ||
I don't get 100% of the door. | ||
You get 60% of the door. | ||
unidentified
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I think so. | |
Something like that. | ||
Dude, I don't want to talk about any of this shit anyway. | ||
Well, I think I made a mistake. | ||
I literally don't want to talk about it. | ||
I made a mistake as well, and I just handed it over to you. | ||
Because the first couple of shows, I was getting paid for it. | ||
But when I just handed it over to you, I should have said, let's sit down and figure out where this should go. | ||
And that we should have the rent paid for, and the insurance, and all the other bullshit. | ||
unidentified
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You know what? | |
To me, it's not even worth it to me. | ||
I'll go somewhere else once a week and do comedy somewhere else and enjoy myself and not get paid for it and just have fun. | ||
The last thing I'm going to do is like, thank you so much for letting me have the stage time. | ||
unidentified
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Fucking, you should pay me. | |
What the fuck? | ||
I'm going to talk about it. | ||
No, no. | ||
That's not the way people are saying it. | ||
They're just saying, Brian's going to be one of those guys that's not paying comedians. | ||
Yeah, but it just feels like that because you feel attacked all the time. | ||
You can't have a regular conversation. | ||
unidentified
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I am attacked. | |
Have you not been looking at Twitter? | ||
I'm getting attacked by fucking... | ||
Jay Moore. | ||
I'm getting attacked by Duncan Trussell. | ||
I'm getting attacked by fucking Jay and James. | ||
I'm getting attacked by everybody. | ||
What does that mean, attacked? | ||
What does that even mean? | ||
Not exactly. | ||
What does that mean? | ||
They're saying a thing they don't like about something you do. | ||
unidentified
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I'm going to fucking do this to you. | |
I'm going to do that to you. | ||
There's a path with least resistance out there. | ||
I know it. | ||
unidentified
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It's called not bringing it up on a podcast and getting into it so everyone knows about this. | |
Thanks a lot, guys. | ||
What are you talking about? | ||
Ryan, what are you talking about, man? | ||
You make it impossible to talk to you about anything when you react this way. | ||
You turn this into some crazy situation that it's not. | ||
I can understand you don't want to book a comedy show. | ||
I can understand it being a tremendous time-consuming thing. | ||
unidentified
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I don't want to book it. | |
Well, listen, let's all talk about this and figure out a way where we can have a show that the Ice House books. | ||
They're professionals. | ||
That's what they do. | ||
You know, what I might do is I might do an Ice House Chronicles, and I will make it just, you know, some other thing. | ||
unidentified
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I'll make it just like a green room while somebody else can do the room, and I'll have nothing to do with that room. | |
So Brian, just so you know, this reaction we're getting from you is the normal reaction we get from you when we bring something up. | ||
So does that make it more likely for us to bring things up to you or less likely? | ||
To be open and honest. | ||
unidentified
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I tell you why. | |
Because honestly, I am so fucking busy that I don't even need to deal with any of this. | ||
I would rather just do this podcast, be happy, do everyone else's podcast, be happy, and not have something that's such a big deal that I thought was just helping friends out. | ||
I think you got a good point. | ||
I think you got a good point in that. | ||
I think it is a lot more responsibility and a little extra thing that you have to chew on every week. | ||
And I think it can still be done and done through the Ice House. | ||
This way, the Ice House pays people and we'll set aside a chunk of it so you can get paid for running the Ice House Chronicles while the show is going on. | ||
Plus pay the guy. | ||
unidentified
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Plus pay the guy $40. | |
You know what? | ||
Or I can just do the exact same thing I was doing and any comic that wants to get paid, I'll give them money. | ||
Oh man, you can't ask people to ask for money. | ||
unidentified
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No, I don't. | |
You know what I do? | ||
Half the time I go, hey, you want some cash? | ||
And then they go, no, dude. | ||
And I'm like, okay. | ||
How many times did that happen? | ||
unidentified
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A lot more than you would think, Ari. | |
Well, I've never done that to me. | ||
unidentified
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I gotta get out of here. | |
You've never offered me money that I've turned out, so no, don't worry about it. | ||
It's not stupid. | ||
People are talking about it. | ||
You don't want to become one of those guys that doesn't pay people. | ||
unidentified
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I don't even feel like talking about it. | |
I know, you know, that's why it's hard to bring up. | ||
That's why saying I'd like to get paid, it's a hard thing to bring up. | ||
But Brian isn't a podcast. | ||
It isn't boring. | ||
unidentified
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To me, podcasts should be entertaining, not like, hey, let's bust open Brian and fucking see why he's thinking about financial shit. | |
No one's trying to bust you open. | ||
unidentified
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Open on a podcast? | |
If we were at a fucking restaurant, we could talk about all this. | ||
I don't feel like dealing about this on a podcast. | ||
Sorry. | ||
I bring stuff up to you outside the podcast. | ||
unidentified
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Let's talk about your fucking paychecks. | |
Let's talk about what you do for a living. | ||
It's very understandable, Brian, but do you understand that you get into this really angry, defensive position with people that aren't even attacking you? | ||
unidentified
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Okay. | |
Do you understand that you do that sometimes? | ||
Listen, man, it's avoidable sometimes. | ||
You can talk in a rational tone. | ||
I mean, I've been guilty of it as well. | ||
All the drama that's happening in your life is easily avoidable. | ||
There's fights to the death with like seven people right now. | ||
You don't need all that. | ||
Brian, what you're doing is a great thing. | ||
What you're doing with your podcast network for those guys, they should be happy. | ||
Those Chronicle shows are great. | ||
I'll drive out there just to do it. | ||
Yeah, and what you said about Freddie Lockhart needing the network to get him on, that is true. | ||
It is all true. | ||
Should they lead with you every time and say, hey, just so you know, you do a lot of great things for me, but I'd like to bring up this one thing? | ||
Would that help? | ||
unidentified
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If you guys don't think that what I do helps comedy or helps comics... | |
It does. | ||
You're reading us any negative comment as you must hate everything about it. | ||
If you think there's a better Death Squad idea, I would gladly change the name of Death Squad to something just to make you happy. | ||
It's not even that. | ||
Death Squad is you. | ||
You're a part of Death Squad. | ||
You know, all of our friends are part of Death Squad. | ||
The fact that you and Duncan don't talk right now is disgusting. | ||
unidentified
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You know what? | |
And that's called trimming fat. | ||
He's done a few things in the past that I've let go, and you know what? | ||
I don't need that guy. | ||
I've helped that dude so many times, and I've been on his podcast once. | ||
Well, listen, Duncan is no perfect person, but I love that guy to death. | ||
I'm no perfect person either, and neither are you. | ||
I think we can avoid these kind of conversations in the future if we just calm down a little bit, man. | ||
And what I said about being... | ||
Being inarguably generous. | ||
You don't have to be inarguably generous. | ||
You can have a straight deal with people. | ||
You don't have to say, I'm going to give you all my profits. | ||
I'm not saying all the profits. | ||
I'm saying just completely reasonable. | ||
unidentified
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That's fine indeed, but why are we talking about this on a podcast? | |
That's what I'm talking about. | ||
We should be talking about fucking farts in Olive Garden. | ||
We don't have to talk about only farts and all, Brian. | ||
This is a good conversation for all of us. | ||
It's a good conversation for me to understand that sometimes you don't feel like you're getting enough credit for all the work you're doing for all those guys that are on your network. | ||
You've built this It's a platform where a lot of people find you. | ||
Find people because of that platform that you've built up. | ||
And I've been very supportive of it, Brian. | ||
And I've been trying to help it. | ||
And I talk about it all the time on this podcast and tell people to subscribe to it. | ||
And I tell people to subscribe to it on Twitter. | ||
And that's the only way to get it. | ||
The Ice House Chronicles is to go through Death Squad. | ||
No one's trying to stop it. | ||
It doesn't mean everything you've ever done with it is completely the right way to go. | ||
You have to be able to bring up something in order to get better. | ||
Yeah, we're not trying to stop anything. | ||
We're just talking. | ||
The Ice House thing can all be worked out. | ||
And I think it's a huge burden on your back too financially when it comes to figuring out who gets paid and taking taxes out and shit. | ||
unidentified
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It's just not worth it. | |
That's not worth it. | ||
unidentified
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I just wanted to do comedy. | |
I'll tell you what you can avoid. | ||
If you slap everybody 10 bucks, then they'll feel a lot more appreciated. | ||
unidentified
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You know what? | |
I just need an employee to go and actually do that for me. | ||
We'll talk about this after the podcast. | ||
We need to hire you an assistant, so let's get going with that. | ||
What's that Asian guy? | ||
What does he do? | ||
That guy, he's gone with the wind. | ||
Dust in the wind. | ||
All we are is dust in the wind. | ||
I'm sorry if this was uncomfortable, ladies and gentlemen. | ||
Very uncomfortable, but unnecessarily uncomfortable. | ||
It didn't have to be, and Brian needs to know that we all love him, and he's doing a good thing. | ||
I think that's what it is. | ||
You don't realize that people still like you if they mention any sort of critique, but they still do like you. | ||
Last thoughts, Brian? | ||
Please be positive. | ||
Last thoughts, Brian? | ||
unidentified
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Uh... | |
Fuck Duncan Trussell. | ||
Oh, come on. | ||
How dare you? | ||
After all that, you go to fuck Duncan Trussell? | ||
unidentified
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Yep. | |
Come on, let's think of something positive. | ||
How to end this positive. | ||
unidentified
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Uh... | |
Go buy Ari's shirt. | ||
It's awesome. | ||
It's not for sale yet. | ||
Oh yeah. | ||
unidentified
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In two weeks or something like that. | |
Summise this, Brian. | ||
Wrap it up. | ||
Bring it all home. | ||
Bring it all home in a positive way. | ||
unidentified
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The fans know. | |
No, it's not a contest. | ||
There's no fight. | ||
Don't make fights. | ||
Yeah, what do you mean the fans know? | ||
unidentified
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They know how much I work for you guys. | |
They know how much you work for us guys? | ||
You're an interesting cat, Brian. | ||
unidentified
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They know. | |
They know the time I put in doing all this shit. | ||
Yeah, everybody knows the time you put into it. | ||
Brian, it's not bad. | ||
unidentified
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Right, so you wouldn't say I'm stealing from comics, would you? | |
Brian, I've never said you're stealing from comics. | ||
unidentified
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I know you did because he did. | |
When Duncan said that, he was out of line. | ||
And he was upset at you because he was making an argument about South by Southwest. | ||
And he didn't feel that you should have been interjecting what you were saying when his whole argument was about they offered him to come out there and not pay him. | ||
It's a silly, emotional thing between two guys that got dragged out in a public way that was unfortunate and unnecessary. | ||
He shouldn't have done that. | ||
You acted in a very, you know, angry and, you know, fucking violent way, and I had to actually separate the two of you guys. | ||
I mean, the whole thing was crazy. | ||
unidentified
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No, you didn't. | |
I was trying to leave the room, and you wouldn't let me leave the room. | ||
What are you talking about? | ||
You were pushing towards him. | ||
No, I was screaming at him with my finger pointed towards his direction. | ||
You were moving towards him to the point where I had to stop you. | ||
unidentified
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What am I going to do? | |
I don't know if you're going to do anything. | ||
I didn't think you were going to do anything. | ||
But you were so mad. | ||
unidentified
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I was mad. | |
Alright. | ||
And that's why I say... | ||
Why be so mad? | ||
unidentified
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Duncan Trussell. | |
Brian. | ||
And just be like, nah, you're wrong. | ||
Brian, you know we love you, right? | ||
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Yep. | |
Do you know we love you? | ||
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Yep. | |
I think sometimes you don't, Brian. | ||
We really do appreciate the work you do. | ||
We can't do a lot of shit without you. | ||
If we give you a big hug right now, are you going to feel better? | ||
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No. | |
No, he's going to feel way more uncomfortable. | ||
No big hugs? | ||
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No. | |
Alright, we'll see you tomorrow. |