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May 1, 2012 - The Joe Rogan Experience
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Joe Rogan Experience #211 - Ari Shaffir (Part 1)
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ari shaffir
36:22
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brian redban
32:27
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joe rogan
01:42:17
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joe rogan
Are we starting now?
Yeah.
When was I going to fucking tweet it?
unidentified
Oh.
joe rogan
Here we go.
brian redban
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joe rogan
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joe rogan
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ari shaffir
That's a problem.
It's dirty.
It's dirty.
joe rogan
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ari shaffir
It expands?
joe rogan
No, it warms like a human body does.
It feels like a human body.
brian redban
I did one of those sleeps the other day where you wake up and you're just completely like, oh, I don't have to do anything.
So I'm just going to lay here and just kind of stretch out a little.
And then I saw the fleshlight on my nightstand.
I'm like, oh, I'm ready to go deep with this shit.
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It had never been used before.
It was one of these new ones.
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It was great.
ari shaffir
Every time I think I'll just do it in the morning and then I'll go back to bed, for some reason that morning nut fills me with energy.
And then I'm like, alright, time to start the day.
brian redban
That pee boner where you actually bypass the pee and still come before you even go pee?
That's amazing.
That's a talent right there.
joe rogan
Those nighttime boners are so important in hotel rooms to go to bed.
Beat off right before you go to bed.
Like in the hotel room sometimes when you're on the road, you know, you have a hard time sleeping.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's one of those nighttime masturbation sessions.
ari shaffir
Here's my worst times when I'm on the road.
When a flashlight would come in handy.
And I know I'm going to only sit for two hours and have to go to radio, and I'd like to beat off into a sock, but I want to reuse that sock just for morning radio.
I don't want to use a fresh sock for it.
I feel like we're stepping on fortune cookie.
joe rogan
You can't bring the flashlight with you, though.
That's the delight.
ari shaffir
Why not?
joe rogan
There's something about traveling with you.
It's like, man, you're admitting that you can't even go away for a couple days without beating off.
It takes such a blatant admission.
ari shaffir
Just committing to it?
joe rogan
Yeah, so much so that you're not worried about being stopped at the airport and searched for sex tours.
ari shaffir
They should have a travel flashlight.
brian redban
Dude, you don't even know what happened.
You know Veronica Ricci?
She went to Israel last week.
unidentified
What?
brian redban
She just went there by herself.
unidentified
What?
brian redban
And they thought she was a spy, and so they went through her luggage for like four days.
And she didn't have luggage for four days, and they were like asking her, because I guess they thought she was like a terrorist of some sort.
Because there's no other girls her age that are not Jewish visiting Israel right now, I guess.
And so she had to buy all new clothes.
And then she said it was pretty fucking dirty and scary.
There's people with machine guns everywhere.
ari shaffir
There are people with machine guns everywhere.
brian redban
And a lot of people played oboes.
And she's like, dude, when you see machine guns and oboes getting played everywhere.
joe rogan
So just because she came there by herself, they thought that she was a terrorist.
ari shaffir
No, no, no.
They're just really good at searching everybody.
brian redban
And, well, she also bought her ticket, like, you know, last minute.
Like, she just wanted to go to Israel.
joe rogan
Let's get through these commercials so we can talk about this.
We have to say these commercials for us, Dan.
ari shaffir
So if you bring a flashlight to Israel, be careful.
But other than that, go nuts.
joe rogan
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ari shaffir
Did anybody ever do that?
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, people take it out.
They get their money back.
You know, some people, first of all, I don't know how everybody's body works.
Everybody's body works different.
I could never claim that something that's effective for me is effective for you.
There's things that other people are allergic to that I'm not.
There's a lot of weirdness when it comes to bodies.
I don't know how your brain works.
Maybe your brain works better than mine all the time anyway.
Maybe some people need nootropics and some people are like those kids that can look out a window of an airplane and then draw everything they saw in exact proportion.
You ever seen that kid?
How does that kid do that?
I don't know.
Maybe his brain is just working in that function, in that regard, at so much higher RPMs than mine can ever achieve, ever.
I don't know.
But I know for me, nootropics are effective.
They are for a lot of my friends that take them.
Mayhem believes in them.
He told me the first time I ever gave them to him, he goes, I knew it was legit when I was fucking people up in video games.
ari shaffir
Really?
joe rogan
He goes, my video game synapses were just on fire.
ari shaffir
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah, because you're minus.
Video games are fucking, there's a lot of shit going on in your brain.
Like, people think that video games are vegging out.
Bullshit, man.
brian redban
That's military training.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's when you're playing a really intense game of Counter-Strike or something like that.
I never got into that game, because I was really into more one-on-one games.
But there was a lot of dudes who would play Counter-Strike, and these motherfuckers were literally virtually going to war.
They'd have a LAN together, and they'd all be screaming out instructions at each other.
They'd all have headphones on, and they'd be playing some dudes on the other side of the room.
ari shaffir
A lot of stimulus.
joe rogan
They were at war.
There was a lot of shit going on.
ari shaffir
They had that kid who got a concussion in football and then killed himself like a day later.
They said he shouldn't have done anything that would stimulate his brain too much, but he's playing video games all day.
And they're like, absolutely do not do that.
Do not do video games in concerts.
You need to rest your brain for a little while.
joe rogan
Yeah, video games are really intensely exciting for the brain in a lot of weird areas.
You know, I mean, they get you, like, you're really at war.
This digital war is going on, you know?
Especially the live, one-on-one internet battles.
When I first found out that you could actually play a game with someone live, one-on-one, on the internet, I thought that was the coolest fucking thing I'd ever heard of.
I didn't know anything about pings, so the first time I did it, I'd, like, log on to servers in, like, Sweden.
I was like, yeah, I'm going to play some guy from fucking Sweden.
ari shaffir
You play someone from Sweden.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ari shaffir
That is pretty cool.
unidentified
You can just find a person.
joe rogan
You have, like, this huge lag time.
unidentified
Like, you're...
joe rogan
People are disappearing in front of you.
You're shooting rockets.
You're not getting all the packets from the game because they're so far away.
So you would have a big ping time to them.
ari shaffir
We had Ethernet in college.
Everyone's connected to Carmageddon.
And in between levels, whoever won that race, we'd all just pour out into the halls and start mocking each other while they were loading up the next level.
It was super fun.
joe rogan
Oh, that's awesome.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
There's nothing like what video games can do as far as that sort of a sense of a team game, almost like a team chess match.
There's nothing like video games.
I mean, chess is a brilliant game.
It's an amazing game for strategy.
unidentified
You can stay up.
ari shaffir
That's how stimulating it is.
You can stay up for like 25 straight hours to play video games.
joe rogan
Yeah, you don't get tired.
You want to keep going.
ari shaffir
You're tired at 2 a.m.
and you go to sleep at 8 a.m.
joe rogan
You get away from the game and your hands are shaking.
Your whole body's pulsating with adrenaline.
Yeah, dude, we used to have these Quake land matches where we would all get together and we would have death matches where we would either have team matches where it would be our team and we'd go against other teams.
That was always real fun.
Or we would just fuck each other up.
We would just have melees where anybody was against everybody and we'd just run into a room and everybody would fucking kill everybody until there was one last man standing.
brian redban
We should talk about this on the podcast.
joe rogan
We should!
ari shaffir
Is this not part of it?
joe rogan
No.
God damn it.
It is and it isn't.
Most people will get this part.
Yeah, we have to make our commercials really commercials.
Eventually we're going to have to shorten these pictures.
brian redban
No, just join in with them.
Because this stuff doesn't get put on, I don't think, Sirius Radio.
joe rogan
Oh, it doesn't?
brian redban
No.
joe rogan
Okay, onit.com.
You know what to do, bitch.
unidentified
Oh, really?
joe rogan
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joe rogan
What did you do that time?
Did you slow it by half?
The crafty devil.
It's DJ Redvan!
We've been talking for like 10-15 minutes about how fucking awesome video games can be.
ari shaffir
And so the serious stuff starts right now?
joe rogan
Yes.
ari shaffir
Wow.
joe rogan
Sort of.
They can do whenever they want it, really.
brian redban
We should just record the commercials.
unidentified
Maybe.
joe rogan
Maybe not.
People like it like this.
Some people don't.
ari shaffir
It gives people reason to listen.
joe rogan
It's a conversation more than anything.
I don't know.
I think it's more effective.
brian redban
I've been listening to us on Sirius Radio so much lately that it changes my whole look of how I do this part of the podcast, I think.
It seems really legit when you're just driving around and you just flip a radio station.
You're like, what the fuck?
That's me.
joe rogan
And you hear yourself.
ari shaffir
The radio still is like, wow.
brian redban
It's still, there's, yeah.
joe rogan
Well, it's also, the idea of the radio is it's people that don't necessarily want to hear you.
So you want to be like a little better for them.
You know, the people that already like you, like your podcast fans, you already got them.
But if you're on Sirius and, you know, and they click on and you're stumbling through your words and sounding like a retard.
ari shaffir
It's like, what?
Who is this?
joe rogan
Yeah, what the fuck?
The Fear Factor guy has a radio show?
ari shaffir
He's saying, I'm too much!
joe rogan
He's saying, you know, every other thing, you know?
You know, I fucking hate that I say, you know.
ari shaffir
Do you?
Is that the one thing you catch by yourself?
joe rogan
God damn, I've been watching that lately.
You know, when I watched MC Chris was on your podcast, very nice guy, MC Chris, and this is not a criticism of him, but it made me realize it about myself, that he says, you know, a lot.
And I'm like, God damn, bitch, you do too.
That's what I said to myself.
I'm like, you say, you know, all the time.
ari shaffir
Yeah, when you see it in somebody else, you can see it in yourself.
joe rogan
It's like a trickery for um.
You're pretending you're saying um, but you're saying it with two words.
No, it's not you know.
It's um, you fuck.
unidentified
You're saying um.
brian redban
What do I say a lot?
joe rogan
You say you know, too.
A lot of us do.
I think it's one of those things that one of us starts doing, and then we all start doing it.
ari shaffir
Everyone just starts doing it.
brian redban
Ari, do you know something I say a lot?
I think like, maybe.
joe rogan
Yes, you are a big like.
Yes, you say like a lot.
A lot of girls say like a lot.
brian redban
Because that's my way of saying, like, here, I'll give you a different example.
joe rogan
Yeah, well, it's good when it works, when that is what you say.
But if it's just like...
You know, this like, so I'm like, and he's like, and there's like, I'm like, are you serious?
Like, is this like, I'm sure, like, whoa.
Like, you know what I mean?
I'm like, I don't get it.
brian redban
In the future, somehow, we're not gonna talk.
We're gonna have our phone talk for us.
joe rogan
You said something really interesting the other day that I've been really thinking of, and it was a very valid point.
You were saying that that's what autism is.
That's what people that are emotionless, and that's what eventually, if we're all going to be connected digitally, there really won't be a need for emotions anymore.
It's like that might be the next stage.
A lot of people have speculated that what some of the autism spectrum disorders are is the human body possibly making a change.
ari shaffir
Getting ready for some new development?
joe rogan
I don't know.
It could be a lot of different things.
They say there's environmental factors, like a lot of people say that it's toxins.
There's been arguments about vaccinations, all sorts of different things.
But the idea is that they don't know what it is, or maybe it's that it's just being diagnosed more.
There's arguments both ways.
But something's happening, and there's a lot of kids that are experiencing this sort of a disassociated behavior.
You know, and it's super unfortunate, but it might be representing, according to people way smarter than me, so I don't even know exactly what they're meaning by this, but they're saying that it might be representing a next stage in the development of human beings.
And that as a result of all of our technological connection with each other and being able to text and send pictures and do everything sort of virtually to each other that slowly the human body is having less and less of a need of the extreme sort of emotional interaction that has sort of gotten us to where we are today.
ari shaffir
I get addicted to the computer and the phone.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ari shaffir
It takes me two hours to just start taking a shower.
I'm like, let me just check this again on Facebook and then Twitter.
joe rogan
It's something unhealthy.
There's something going on with it.
There's something fascinating about it.
It is just like what we were talking about earlier about video games.
We were saying that video games are so stimulating, like you never get tired.
ari shaffir
Is it just the light?
Is that a lot of it?
joe rogan
Maybe it's something.
The visuals.
You know, like really cool graphics.
brian redban
It's the challenge.
People do want to get challenged.
It's like a game.
It's like anything.
joe rogan
Well, it's also replacing all those instincts that are in our DNA that sort of got us to where we are today.
You know, I've been watching this...
ari shaffir
Just sit still.
joe rogan
What's that?
ari shaffir
To sit still and just look at things?
unidentified
Yeah.
ari shaffir
And move your wrist?
joe rogan
Yeah, that's...
I mean, that's replacing going out and killing animals.
That's replacing fighting off the enemy.
That's replacing, you know, swimming to safety because your boat breaks a hole in it.
You know what I mean?
I mean, this is...
The world that we're living in, it's not filled with all these needs for violent explosions and running away from danger and all the shit that the body's programmed for.
So instead, it's slowly...
Entering to some sort of a symbiotic relationship with machines, and as it enters into this relationship with machines, it becomes less and less emotional.
It's less and less interactive with humans, less and less dependent on that, and perhaps one day, ultimately, not dependent at all.
Because one day, ultimately, if you expand on how far, how much of a connection we have with computers now, and how this didn't even exist at all just a hundred years ago, no electronics, no nothing a hundred years ago, Think of it.
It's not outside the realm of possibility to envision some sort of a permanent interaction that humans are going to have with some sort of electronic environment.
ari shaffir
Like claws that would come out to hold your phone when you're typing on it.
joe rogan
Something where, you know, you're much more interactive virtually than you ever are physically.
And that you will eventually become a part of a fucking system.
Like, you'll become an emotional part.
Integrated.
Integrated, yeah.
unidentified
A Borg.
joe rogan
Yep, a Borg, for real.
Nuts, right?
Super possible.
Super possible.
ari shaffir
That sounds like a way more evolved state.
joe rogan
Well, you've got to think, I mean, we're hanging on to these goddamn emotions, these things that make us fly planes into buildings, and these things that make us want to, you know, jack other people, and I was reading CNN today, and that guy in, I believe it's Liberia?
ari shaffir
Charles Taylor?
joe rogan
Yeah, he got convicted.
ari shaffir
Yeah, they were saying, send a message to the other tyrants, I ain't going to send shit for a message.
joe rogan
Yeah, how is that?
ari shaffir
By the time you're even close to getting overthrown, you've already done enough shit to get tried for.
joe rogan
Yeah, I never even heard of this Charles Taylor guy.
Oh, he's one of the worst.
ari shaffir
He just didn't have a good name.
That was his only problem.
joe rogan
Isn't that amazing?
ari shaffir
Yep.
joe rogan
He snuck through being Charles Taylor and just fucked that country up.
ari shaffir
Fucked up Liberia.
Civil War for years.
joe rogan
What did he do?
What was his exact crime?
ari shaffir
I don't know.
Probably killing people.
joe rogan
I don't know.
Probably killing people.
ari shaffir
Maybe he jaywalked back and forth like a billion times in a row.
joe rogan
Was his name Charles Taylor?
ari shaffir
Uh-huh.
Yeah.
My friend Jesse, I have a few friends from there, from Liberia, from college.
They were just saying it just ruined everything.
The infrastructure was just ruined by the Civil War.
unidentified
Ugh.
joe rogan
The whole story of Liberia is so crazy, and we've mentioned this before, but if you haven't heard the episode, please go and check out Vice Guide to Liberia.
You want to see what's up with Liberia.
Holy shit, was that fascinating.
ari shaffir
He went?
joe rogan
Yeah, he went.
Shane went.
ari shaffir
They're trying to get tourism back.
joe rogan
Oh my god, dude.
You've got to see this guy's...
Video.
Vice Guide to Liberia is one of the best pieces of online journalism I've ever seen.
Ever.
They went into Liberia.
They explained everything.
They showed these brothels where it's like a dollar or something like that or 25 cents.
I mean, something ridiculous.
I mean, it shows how scary it is there.
They talked to that general butt-naked guy, the guy who was telling them about how they would kill the enemy's babies and eat their flesh.
He's telling them this.
I mean, he's talking about how we would kill the flesh and eat the flesh of the innocent child that would make us invincible.
And he would fight naked.
He called them general butt naked because he would go to war naked.
He would shoot people while he was naked.
Yeah, he's responsible for the deaths of thousands and thousands of people, personally.
Absolutely responsible.
And he became a Christian.
And when he became a Christian, they forgave him.
ari shaffir
What?
joe rogan
Yes, he's a preacher.
And they forgave him for all of his murders because he found the Lord.
ari shaffir
Wow, it's the Christianity teachers, right?
joe rogan
It's a crazy story.
ari shaffir
Wash it clean if you're sorry for it.
joe rogan
Yeah, but I mean the fact that he was able to kill and eat babies and they don't even want him in jail.
Yeah, he would kill and eat innocent children.
ari shaffir
Because he had a change of heart soon enough.
joe rogan
Yeah, he found the Lord.
ari shaffir
Well, if it's just for rehab, then he's already rehabbed.
joe rogan
Yeah, I guess he's out.
He's good.
He feels bad.
ari shaffir
He feels totally bad for eating all those babies.
joe rogan
I don't think it was because he was hungry.
He only did it because he wanted to be invincible.
To be invincible, you had to do something unbelievably heinous.
In times of war, you had to be willing to eat the enemy's children.
ari shaffir
You get their energy?
joe rogan
I don't know.
Well, you're committing so far to terror and horror that you would probably be, I mean, the berserker mentality that they must have had to be able to do that to innocent children.
I mean, just to be completely inhuman like that.
And then the fact that this guy, all he has to do is just learn about some old stuff and learn about Jesus and find the Word of God.
And everyone's like, all right, we're going to let you go, dude.
I know you feel bad.
You're a priest now.
I mean, what are you...
I mean, that is a crazy place to live.
ari shaffir
Is there one of those priests that he can't have sex with women or he can?
joe rogan
Oh yeah, he can fuck.
ari shaffir
Okay.
Most priests are allowed, right?
Yeah.
Half and half?
joe rogan
No, most priests aren't, I think, right?
ari shaffir
Are not allowed?
joe rogan
Yeah, that's what it is in Catholicism.
It's nothing.
ari shaffir
Catholicism, I know, is the one.
joe rogan
Yeah, Catholicism is nothing.
You're not allowed to fuck anybody.
No fucking.
Done.
Period.
But I think that's the only one that requires you to be completely celibate, right?
unidentified
Yeah.
ari shaffir
Oh yeah, other ones just so you have to be married.
joe rogan
Monks aren't, right?
Buddhist monks are not supposed to fuck.
ari shaffir
That makes sense though.
They go without talking too, right?
joe rogan
They had this interview with the Dalai Lama recently.
It's funny that everybody's listening to this dude.
It was a real weird thing.
They asked him about women.
He's like, yeah, sometimes I'm attracted to women, but then I think, oh, it's so much work and I can't do this.
ari shaffir
Dalai Lama says that?
brian redban
Yeah, yeah.
I love his Twitter.
I always check out his photos.
Yeah, he really is a cool guy, I think.
unidentified
Really?
brian redban
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's cool.
brian redban
I think so.
He's all positive.
ari shaffir
Dalai Lama?
joe rogan
I mean, his argument about being in relationships, he's like...
Oh, I can't.
It's too much trouble.
ari shaffir
There's a lot of trouble.
joe rogan
I mean, he's right in a lot of ways.
ari shaffir
So he has sex, though.
He would go have a relationship.
joe rogan
I don't think he ever has.
I think that's the point.
ari shaffir
Who's the Dalai Lama?
Where did he come from?
joe rogan
I think he was born the Dalai Lama.
ari shaffir
Oh.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's one of those things where you're sort of...
brian redban
I think he's like the 16th or something like that.
joe rogan
What it is is beyond ridiculous.
ari shaffir
Oh, it's not.
joe rogan
He's just a dude.
ari shaffir
I was thinking it was Gandhi.
unidentified
He's a dude that's been like, oh, Gandhi's a completely different guy from the Dalai Lama.
joe rogan
Yes.
ari shaffir
They should have met, though.
brian redban
I know.
ari shaffir
They would probably be friends, yeah.
unidentified
They didn't?
joe rogan
Do we know that they didn't?
ari shaffir
I wish they did.
joe rogan
Well, the Dalai Lama looks like he's old enough to have known Gandhi.
How old was Gandhi?
ari shaffir
If there's a lot of Dalai Lamas, then there might have been one when he was around.
brian redban
I'm sure they were friends.
joe rogan
When was Gandhi around?
ari shaffir
40s, 20s, 50s, 60s?
I mean, in the 1900s, I think.
brian redban
Did you see Adam or Jimmy Kimolko do the president's thing?
joe rogan
Yeah, what did he exactly say?
Can you pull it up?
brian redban
Oh, dude, that was...
unidentified
He said a bunch of stuff.
ari shaffir
Pull up the part about marijuana.
unidentified
Yeah, that's what I mean.
brian redban
Oh, yeah, that's so good.
ari shaffir
He started if it was okay.
He started strong, then it went a little slow for a while, and then by the time I got to the marijuana, I was, like, tuned out already.
joe rogan
Oh, really?
ari shaffir
Yeah, it was, like, everything was just skirting over my head.
And then he ended strong.
brian redban
No, it was just an uncomfortable situation.
ari shaffir
He asked, like, how many people here have not smoked pot?
joe rogan
Yeah.
ari shaffir
And then, like, maybe a quarter of the crowd raised their hand.
And then I think he made his point from there.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's...
ari shaffir
Play the shit out of it.
brian redban
Yeah.
joe rogan
Beautiful.
ari shaffir
No, this is the whole thing.
brian redban
Yeah, I know.
I can find it.
ari shaffir
Oh, I bet you can.
joe rogan
You're a fucking animal.
I'll watch you find it.
unidentified
Not only for a sense of... ...the jackass.
Which, no offense, sir, but I think you got the wrong West.
I think you meant Alan.
ari shaffir
This is the boring part.
I don't know any of these guys.
brian redban
George Clooney just hanging.
unidentified
Members of the media, politicians, corporate executives, advertisers, lobbyists, and celebrities.
Everything that is wrong with America is here in this room tonight.
Unfortunately, the Speaker of the House, John Bain, was on my glass, I think, from last year.
Nancy Pelosi believes in lipstick the same way she believes in government.
Too much is never enough.
ari shaffir
This was so, so far.
unidentified
That's how he was discovered.
Some people say Mitt Romney won't be elected president because he's...
joe rogan
What are you doing, Brian?
ari shaffir
Let it play.
joe rogan
Let it play a little bit.
unidentified
In the end, Rick Santorum may not have won the nomination, but he succeeded in getting his message out, not just to Americans, but to people all aflat the world.
Ron Paul is still in there.
He's still sticking with it.
to me ron paul looks like the guy who gets unhooded at the end of every scooby-doo episode it's great to see the gingriches here tonight because i guess that means the check cleared Oh, shit.
ari shaffir
He's broke.
unidentified
Nude, I have a question.
How can you be against gay marriage when you yourself are the son of two gay parents?
The Michelin Man and the Stay Puft Marshmallow Man.
I don't understand politicians who are against gay marriage.
I don't understand anyone who's against gay marriage.
And when you really think about it, aren't all marriages kind of gay?
I mean, as a man when you get married, essentially what you're saying is, I will never touch another woman as long as I live.
Now let's put jewelry on each other and dance.
Not that it's any of my business, Mr. Gingrich, but why are you waiting until Tuesday to drop out of this?
Just do it now.
It's time to mid or get off the pot.
The election process has changed a lot over the last 10 years.
As you know, the president finally gave in...
ari shaffir
This is the bad part.
joe rogan
This is terrible.
unidentified
The short-changing of it.
But you know what?
You know what's really good is there's an Olive Garden joke in it.
Did you hear that?
joe rogan
No.
See if we can get to the pot part.
ari shaffir
Put it on mute until everybody raised our hands.
unidentified
Just watch for it.
Supercommittees are to committees.
What super cuts is to cuts.
ari shaffir
This isn't it.
unidentified
TV in 2000.
The list of Madison.
Let's take a quick poll.
joe rogan
He's so good at this, man.
unidentified
Raise your hand if you've never smoked pot.
There you go.
Look at Brit Hume.
He's high right now.
He's on his fourth almond macaroon.
Mr. President, I hope you don't think I'm out of line here, but marijuana is something that real people care about, and the fact that you believe Speaker Boehner, when he tells you he still has control of his party, leads me to believe that you must be smoking some crazy great weed yourself.
Woody Harrelson just woke up.
As we know now, last year at this dinner, President Obama had his team on the way to kill Osama Bin Laden.
joe rogan
Is that it?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
He's so good at that, man.
That guy is, uh, he's, in my opinion, I think he's the best talk show host alive.
ari shaffir
Yeah, he's pretty fun.
joe rogan
He's the best at, like, weaving between, like, this sort of a subtle, you know he's fucking around, like, way of talking.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
With, like, being, like, a very, but a very professional, expressive announcer.
It's like, He's so good at it, man.
ari shaffir
I've got a few times to watch because Barris does a warm-up, so I'll just stand on the side.
joe rogan
I don't think he gets the credit he deserves.
I think Jimmy Kimmel's the best talk show host in the country.
ari shaffir
The other ones are all done, right?
joe rogan
I still love Letterman because to me, Letterman is just a staple.
I'll watch the one great interview that he'll do once a year.
He's got so much history.
Letterman is so good.
He's so quick.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
He's been around for so long.
And I think Jon Stewart too.
ari shaffir
I don't watch him anymore.
joe rogan
Jon Stewart is so committed to politics and that political show that I don't watch it as much maybe as I would if it was just like if Jon Stewart had his own show instead of just The Daily Show.
But I think he's also one of the best.
ari shaffir
Magic goes on there all the time now.
joe rogan
Yeah, Al Magical is like one of the...
What do they have him?
unidentified
Correspondents.
joe rogan
Correspondents, yeah.
Al Magical is the shit.
unidentified
Yeah, he is.
joe rogan
He's such a great guy.
Yeah, that guy is the best, too.
I mean, I think he's the best at political stuff, for sure.
ari shaffir
I think Colbert, that fucking tongue-in-cheek thing he does, it's like, how does he keep this going?
joe rogan
That's more a character to me.
ari shaffir
I know, but I don't understand how he keeps it going, to take the opposite approach, the opposite side, in order to mock that opposite side.
joe rogan
He must be smart as fuck.
ari shaffir
He must be smart as fuck.
joe rogan
Yeah, I'm sure he is.
ari shaffir
We're talking about the airplanes landing in Israel.
joe rogan
What's that?
ari shaffir
We're talking about his wife getting pulled over in Israel.
joe rogan
Oh, Brian's girl.
Yeah.
You said wife.
You scared the shit out of me.
I'm like, Brian, what'd you do?
brian redban
I got married.
unidentified
Oh.
joe rogan
Dude, you, your girl that you were seeing, went to Israel by herself, you were saying?
brian redban
Yeah, she decided she wanted to...
She does that.
She likes to travel.
So she wanted to go to a yoga retreat in Israel, which is one of these places that you go to just relax.
It's kind of like a...
Yeah, but it's a place you can live there also if you help out there.
It's like, I guess, a temple.
ari shaffir
Rancho Relaxo.
joe rogan
Right.
brian redban
What's it called?
ari shaffir
Rancho Relaxo.
brian redban
Something like that.
ari shaffir
That's from The Simpsons.
brian redban
I forget the name of it.
Some Jewish name.
ari shaffir
It's called Rancho Relaxo from that one.
brian redban
Okay.
ari shaffir
What Jewish?
Oh, like with the mud in a lot?
brian redban
Yeah.
ari shaffir
The Dead Sea?
brian redban
Yeah, what's it called?
ari shaffir
The Dead Sea?
brian redban
No.
ari shaffir
It's some company that's there.
I don't know.
joe rogan
So anyway, she goes to Israel for some crazy yoga retreat.
brian redban
And so because she bought her ticket last second and because she was going by herself, I guess she's not Jewish.
And I guess it's at a time of war, kind of.
It's kind of war-y right now.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
unidentified
War-y.
brian redban
Always.
And, like, so they took her luggage for, like, three or four days, and she had to buy all new clothes, and they thought she was, you know, got questioned up and down, you know, and I guess they really thought that she was some kind of, like, you know, terrorist thing.
joe rogan
There was a girl who was a Jewish photographer, and she was over in Israel, and she was taking pictures.
ari shaffir
Any Libras?
joe rogan
No, of artwork, like Palestinian graffiti.
And since she had a photo of it on her laptop, the guys at Israel, their version of TSA, they shot her laptop.
brian redban
What?
ari shaffir
They shot it?
joe rogan
They fucking shot it, and they gave it back to her.
They blew a hole in her laptop.
ari shaffir
Put a bullet through it.
brian redban
Yeah.
Can they just take out the hard drive and go, all right, here's your laptop back?
joe rogan
No.
ari shaffir
Where do they shoot it?
joe rogan
They shot it in the back.
She heard, ba-bang!
And then the guy comes out and gives her a laptop, and it's got a bullet hole in it.
brian redban
It's crazy.
unidentified
It's just...
ari shaffir
It's really weird.
joe rogan
Well, I think he's trying to let her know, like...
You know, I don't think he knew that she was a journalist.
I think he probably thought she was someone that was seeing this and she was taking pictures of it like she thought it was funny or cool or whatever.
For whatever disrespectful reason, this chick had it on her laptop in his eyes.
And he was like, oh, really?
Yeah.
You like looking at that?
You like looking at someone talking shit about us?
So he fucking...
ari shaffir
So he just randomly looked at it, saw Palestinian graffiti, and shot it?
joe rogan
No, he checked all her stuff.
And as he's checking her laptop, he went through all of her photographs.
And as he's going through her photographs, he saw this anti-Semitic graffiti that she had photographs of.
So he closes it, pushes it aside, and fucking shoots it.
ari shaffir
Wow.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Pretty intense.
brian redban
I just know how she travels, though.
I know that she probably had at least 20 to 30 different vibrators or dildos or sex toys in there.
So I wonder if they thought all that shit was some kind of weapon.
So I could just imagine all these Jewish guys with these big vibrators just like, I think it's okay.
ari shaffir
It's not the Orthodox Jews that are watching people.
No, they search everybody there.
joe rogan
There's such a massive difference between Jews in America and Jews in Israel.
There's really, it's like...
ari shaffir
They have those Hasidic ones there, too, that are the same.
joe rogan
Those are the same?
ari shaffir
Yeah, Hasidics and Hasidics.
brian redban
She said she went right to the beach, and it was just dirty and scary.
And then she went to a couple of the places, and it was just really freaky, because there was people walking around with machine guns.
And then she said there was a lot of gay people in one of the cities, because I guess that's just a new thing there.
joe rogan
Gays is a new thing?
brian redban
Gay people go there, I guess.
ari shaffir
It was a big city.
Tel Aviv is a gigantic city.
brian redban
Yes, yeah.
joe rogan
That's where she landed?
Tel Aviv?
brian redban
I think so.
ari shaffir
The beaches are not dangerous, by the way.
People with machine guns are army people that are there all the time.
It's cool to get used to.
It takes some time to get used to.
joe rogan
How long did you live in Israel for?
ari shaffir
Two years, two and a half years.
joe rogan
Two and a half years.
brian redban
That's crazy.
joe rogan
What was it like for you?
ari shaffir
It was great.
It was amazing.
It's such a beautiful country.
And Jerusalem's all built out of stone, pretty much.
I mean, old Jerusalem.
And everywhere, it's just like, yeah, things are great.
Everybody sort of knows each other a little bit.
Not like completely, but they're all...
I mean, until recently, you get hitchhiked everywhere.
joe rogan
Really?
ari shaffir
Yeah.
In between places, you just tell...
brian redban
Completely different now, though, right?
ari shaffir
Yeah, the Intifada's changed things.
joe rogan
What is the Intifada?
ari shaffir
The uprising.
The Palestinian uprising.
joe rogan
That's what they call it?
ari shaffir
The Intifada?
Yeah, that's what they call it.
joe rogan
Wow.
What is the issue?
Giving up land?
What's the actual issue?
ari shaffir
The actual issue is Palestinians started, and their chief tenet was, we want to drive the Israelis into the sea.
And they're never going to give up on that.
That was in their books.
That's what they wanted.
brian redban
Drive them into the sea?
ari shaffir
Yeah.
We will never rest until all the Israelis are driven into the oceans.
That's what they want.
So in the meantime, you have to figure out a way to appease enough of them to give them the right amount of land and let the other ones not keep going to war with them.
joe rogan
So when you say that it's in their book, is it in one of their religious books?
ari shaffir
No, the PLO when they started, that was one of their...
joe rogan
Palestinian Liberation Organization.
And that was linked to a lot of terrorist shit in the 1970s, right?
Wasn't it?
ari shaffir
The Munich, what's it called?
joe rogan
Yeah, the killings at the Olympic Games, right?
brian redban
So what's the other side say?
What's their story?
If you talk to Sam Tripoli, what would he say?
ari shaffir
Sam would say that he's Armenian and quit downplaying his struggle for the struggle of the Palestinians.
He goes, no one ever fucking respects the Armenians.
The Turks wiped them out.
It was the Turks.
unidentified
It's true.
joe rogan
The Armenian genocide, I didn't even hear about it until Manny Gamburian.
I was doing a fight.
ari shaffir
He told you about it?
joe rogan
It was the anniversary of the Armenian genocide.
I'm honest.
I just didn't know about it.
I'm ignorant to it.
ari shaffir
It was because only one million people died.
People were like, nah, get another word.
joe rogan
It's fucking incredible that there's been so many horrible things like that that have happened in the history of the world, rather.
You know, that this Armenian genocide could be something that I wasn't aware of.
ari shaffir
Armenians hate Turks.
They hate them.
joe rogan
Well, when I was a kid, there was a kid that I used to train with who was, he was Turkish and they hated the Greeks.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like Greeks and Turkish hated each other.
ari shaffir
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah.
ari shaffir
Wow.
No, Pakistan and India hates each other.
brian redban
Kibbutz.
joe rogan
I always thought it was so ridiculous.
It was like, really?
Turks and Greeks?
Really?
But in his eyes, man, it was like a serious conversation.
He was a smart kid, too.
ari shaffir
Yeah, people get nationalistic.
I saw that Vlade Divac documentary about him and wherever he was from going to war, you know, internal strife.
Maybe Czechoslovakia or Hungary.
And his teammates were like all abandoned him because he wanted like unity and they wanted to break off.
And there was all these like...
People there that were like 25, 26, like waving the break-off flags and getting really passionate.
I'm like, well, I've never been into shit like that.
We were all just like video games or whatever else there was.
I can't imagine caring about politics enough.
joe rogan
You would if you were there.
Yeah.
ari shaffir
But what if the East Coast was trying to break off and there was this nationalistic feel for the East Coast and we're different than them?
Would you get caught up in it when you were little?
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
If you lived in that environment, it's likely you would.
ari shaffir
I guess so.
brian redban
It's like being a Yankee fan.
joe rogan
It's so easy to imitate your atmosphere.
It's so easy to get sucked up in the wave of your atmosphere.
It's just so weird when you think about how much human behavior can vary from spot to spot.
ari shaffir
We have no strife in SoCal.
joe rogan
Yeah, no dealing with the weather.
Our only problems are so many of us, and we need a lot of food.
ari shaffir
Yeah, no war ever sees us.
brian redban
Weed, food, food.
joe rogan
Yeah, your perspective here.
That's why someone like Paris Hilton can be so offensive to people in other parts of the world.
Someone who's just shallowly trying to attract attention to herself for no reason at all.
And when it's successful, it angers you.
It's like, why is this even projected in front of me in a time where people are just dying all over the place?
ari shaffir
Is that why people are so angry at Paris Hilton?
joe rogan
Sure, that's one of the reasons, because it's just so vapid.
Because the idea behind wanting to be famous only for being famous is so vapid.
ari shaffir
But there's enough other people who are into it.
That's why they keep it on, like that and the Kardashians.
joe rogan
The issue is, it opened up a whole new category of human being.
And that category of human being is the famous professional celebrity.
For no reason, celebrity.
The person who sneaks through the net and creates a whole new genre.
Essentially, Kim Kardashian is a reality celebrity.
But she's a hugely successful media personality, and she did it from being just a person who fucked a guy in a video.
I mean, the whole thing is really like...
ari shaffir
And her dad was a lawyer.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Not only that, a famous lawyer.
unidentified
Incredible lawyer.
joe rogan
A famous lawyer who got O.J. Simpson off.
But the whole thing behind it is that...
It's this weird desire to get attention for no reason other than that you want attention.
Not offering anything.
You just want people to look at you.
You're not trying to sing.
You just want people to follow you around.
ari shaffir
A lot of people want that, but only some people get it.
joe rogan
I know, but it's so specific.
It must be so hard to arrange.
You're not trying to do anything.
I want to be famous.
What do you do?
I don't do anything.
ari shaffir
But then people keep watching, so then you feel entitled.
You're like, well, I do great stuff.
Like, what?
What are these great things you do?
joe rogan
Well, she fucked on video.
I mean, really, that was the catalyst.
That's what started it all off.
So did Paris Hilton.
They both did the same thing.
They both fucked on video, and that got them in the spotlight.
brian redban
They got them more in the spotlight.
joe rogan
But it's amazing, man.
It is really an amazing trick.
It's fascinating.
ari shaffir
It launched Paris Hilton from just a model to all those reality shows.
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah.
But Kim Kardashian as far eclipsed Paris Hilton, which is even more fantastic.
Because Paris Hilton now does interviews and they ask her, are you worried that your popularity might be waning?
And she got up and left and got pissed.
ari shaffir
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah, told her publicist.
ari shaffir
Because she's done nothing to deserve it, so why would it go away?
Because I've still done nothing.
So how could it go away?
joe rogan
She's not thinking nearly as clearly as you.
She's thinking, why would it?
I'm still awesome.
brian redban
She's better than Kardashian for me.
joe rogan
She's probably a fine person.
ari shaffir
No, she is probably not a fine person.
joe rogan
Why not?
ari shaffir
She's self-entitled.
There's no way she's probably a fine person.
joe rogan
I bet if she was sucking your cock, I think you'd have different...
ari shaffir
I bet she'd be great at sucking dick.
joe rogan
I bet if you were hanging out with her, and maybe she's a little crazy, and she grew up weird, but...
Maybe she's a kind person.
ari shaffir
I would give her a chance because I'd want that blowjob.
I think that'd be a real possibility.
I wouldn't be mean right away, but there's no way she's helping your life.
I wish she was enriching your life in any way.
That's maybe a 5% chance.
joe rogan
Maybe get her high on mushrooms and straighten her out, dude.
Maybe it's you.
Maybe it's Ari who can straighten the whole thing out.
Who better than the founder of Shroomfest?
ari shaffir
That's right.
Can we do our own talk at Shroomfest?
unidentified
Sure.
ari shaffir
We've got a date now.
July 21st, 22nd, and 23rd.
joe rogan
Yeah, and by the way, ladies and gentlemen, you don't have to go anywhere for Stroomfest.
ari shaffir
Yeah, Stroomfest comes to you.
joe rogan
The beautiful thing is Stroomfest is a trip.
And, oh, don't do it if it's illegal where you live.
brian redban
We're talking shiitake, guys.
ari shaffir
Oh, yeah, whatever.
joe rogan
Yeah, don't do it if it's illegal where you live.
We don't want you doing anything silly and going to jail.
ari shaffir
You know what I heard?
In Amsterdam, they made them illegal because some kids jumped out of a building or something.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's like that Bill Hicks joke.
ari shaffir
What?
joe rogan
Young man on acid.
Thought he could fly.
Jumped off the roof.
What a tragedy.
He goes, what a tragedy.
What a dick.
If he thought he could fly, why don't he start off on the ground first?
unidentified
That's right.
ari shaffir
Why don't they all get a top story?
joe rogan
He goes, oh, we lost a moron.
The world got a little lighter.
brian redban
That's a Hicks joke?
joe rogan
Yeah.
brian redban
Oh, that's funny.
J-R-U like a Hicks joke.
joe rogan
See?
It's one of his best.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
No, I would have to hear him say it.
joe rogan
He also had this, you never hear a positive drugstore in the news.
I don't want to butcher this because I don't want to paraphrase it.
But this young man on acid, you know, and it was a beautiful, positive message that he learned from acid.
He had a bunch of great, great drug jokes.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's just weird that he quit drugs so young and then died so young.
The human body is so fucking, for some folks, so fragile.
I've been reading about these people that get these weird fibers growing out of their skin.
Have you heard of this?
brian redban
Yeah.
ari shaffir
What is it?
joe rogan
What is that shit called again?
brian redban
I don't know.
It's disgusting.
joe rogan
I was introduced to it on, there was like one of those conspiracy theory shows, like those Jesse Ventura conspiracy theory shows.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
And they were talking about...
brian redban
Chemtrails.
It was Chemtrails.
joe rogan
Yeah, something to do with Chemtrails.
More jellings.
Hold on a second.
Let me pull this up.
brian redban
And this one certain town in like California, like a lot of them have this shit.
ari shaffir
And then what, people start growing fibers out of their skin?
brian redban
Yeah.
ari shaffir
It sounds like such X-Files shit.
joe rogan
It totally sounds like complete horse shit.
But the pictures are really bizarre, man.
There's like actual fiber that's coming out of their skin.
Like, look, Ari, come here, check this out.
brian redban
For the audio listeners to describe it.
joe rogan
This is something of fiber that they pulled out of someone's skin that had this more gelance.
I mean, yeah, it looks like a sweater's growing inside of you.
brian redban
It looks like a mosquito down in that picture.
joe rogan
Yeah, well that picture is pretty extreme.
ari shaffir
That thing that goes around?
joe rogan
Yeah, I mean, what a fucking weird disease, man.
And no one knows what the hell that is.
I mean, these people, some of them have gloves on, and they have these fucking hairs that are growing all over their body.
It's a relatively new problem that seems to be growing in leaps and bounds throughout the U.S., even in other countries.
Although condition Morgellons possibly dates back to the 1600s, it's only been since 2002 that it's become a modern-day concern.
brian redban
It probably has something to do with the Internet.
joe rogan
Wow.
ari shaffir
Wow.
brian redban
Like Wi-Fi signals.
joe rogan
Dude, we're growing wires.
Could you imagine if that was really what it is?
brian redban
We're growing antennas.
joe rogan
Jesus Christ.
You know how crazy that would be?
ari shaffir
That's the next stage of development?
Autism and antennas.
And different people are moving different things.
joe rogan
We can't keep thinking that we're going to stay the way we are.
ari shaffir
I know, but is this supposed to happen so slowly that you would never in one lifetime notice any change?
joe rogan
How do we know that?
You know, there's been a lot of discrepancies about how long it takes.
There's a lot of arguments and disagreements about how long it takes for an entity to evolve.
But one of the things they know is the Congo.
The Congo is kind of a crazy place where it used to be grasslands.
And then a rainforest essentially grew there really rapidly and over a period of 2,000 years became a dense, massive rainforest where it used to be grasslands.
So all these grasslands animals got trapped in the jungle and had to evolve.
They had to change.
And one of them, there's an antelope thing called a diker.
ari shaffir
And how much time was this?
joe rogan
It fucking swims.
ari shaffir
How much time is this?
joe rogan
Less than 2,000 years.
It swims underwater and eats fish.
ari shaffir
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah.
ari shaffir
What was it?
joe rogan
It's in the Ancelot family.
unidentified
Like a reindeer?
joe rogan
I think it's called a diker.
ari shaffir
Wow.
joe rogan
Yeah.
It actually swims underwater and fucking eats fish.
It can swim underwater for 100 yards.
Whoa.
Where'd that come from?
I'll tell you why.
They had to figure out how to survive.
ari shaffir
Let's say you grow a third eye, let's just say.
Somebody had to be the first pure person, as it slowly develops, to see through that eye.
Somebody's going to be the first guy to have that.
joe rogan
If something like that would mutate and happen and become a successful transition, yeah, someone would have to be the first.
Or at least have the first stubs of it.
Some people are born with a little stub of a tail.
brian redban
Pigtail.
joe rogan
What is that?
brian redban
It's a pigtail.
joe rogan
But how come chimps don't have tails?
And we're supposed to be related to chimps.
Do chimps ever get...
Are they ever born with little tails?
ari shaffir
Most of us don't have it, though.
joe rogan
No, very few of us have it.
I wonder if it's just a normal deformity, just a normal slip of...
brian redban
If it's your brother's foot.
ari shaffir
Can anybody move it?
Can anybody control it?
joe rogan
Like wag your tail?
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
That would be fucked.
Imagine if you were a person, you could wag your tail.
brian redban
Actually, it was a cat tail.
joe rogan
Would you even want to take it off?
brian redban
It's a cat tail, Jim.
ari shaffir
Yeah, you'd probably find some weird pride out of it, but it's like it's not...
joe rogan
What if you had awesome bouts because of it?
unidentified
Oh.
joe rogan
You know, what if you could do that Flying Wallenda shit, like, no problem, because you've got a cat.
ari shaffir
Just because of that?
joe rogan
You know, cats have the most ridiculous balance, man.
I've tried to push cats off of, like, banisters.
I'm like, get off that banister, bitch.
And the cat's like, oh, not that easy.
ari shaffir
All the way off, like a weeble wobble, then right back up.
joe rogan
Yeah, it slides sideways on a banister.
brian redban
Did you see that video of the chimp versus the cat UFC match?
joe rogan
No.
brian redban
Oh, it's badass.
Google it sometime.
It's great.
It's a little monkey and a cat fighting.
joe rogan
Are they really fighting or are they playing?
brian redban
They're playing, but the cats have really good jiu-jitsu.
ari shaffir
Oh, they grab around.
joe rogan
Cats are, you know, we're just comfortable with them because they're really tiny.
ari shaffir
They're all feral in Israel.
joe rogan
All cats?
ari shaffir
Yeah, they brought them in.
Yeah, nobody has them as pets because they're so fucking disgusting.
They brought them in to hunt the rats.
joe rogan
And they just took them over?
ari shaffir
Yeah, then they had no natural enemies.
joe rogan
You guys should kill them off because I bet you got toxoplasma like a motherfucker.
ari shaffir
They're all out.
They're just out.
They're dead by the side of the road.
They're just everywhere.
They're like a problem.
joe rogan
Yeah, I don't like feral cats.
unidentified
They're tough, too.
ari shaffir
They're tough.
joe rogan
Mean, man.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
Feral cats are little monsters.
ari shaffir
Get away.
joe rogan
Yeah, they'll fuck you up, dude.
And they'll jump at you, too.
If you corner a feral cat, man, be fucking...
brian redban
I don't think I've ever seen one.
Or maybe I just thought it was just a normal cat that was just crazy.
joe rogan
Well, feral cats are just wild cats.
It's an amazing difference, the way they behave.
brian redban
Like farm cats?
Are you talking about farm cats?
joe rogan
Sure, farm cats can be feral, too.
brian redban
Farm cats are just retarded.
ari shaffir
They get straight up on walls, feel so high.
Like, how are you going to get up there?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Feral cats are...
I had a feral kitten, and they only will connect themselves to one or two people.
ari shaffir
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah.
They really hate people.
I was the only person that this cat could, like, trust enough to pick up.
ari shaffir
Like the horse is enough to pick up?
joe rogan
I could never...
If something was wrong with him, I could never bring him to a vet.
You couldn't...
No one could take care of him but me.
No one could even hold him but me.
And I got him because a friend of mine, she was living in this apartment building, and her and her boyfriend found them underneath the house.
They found, like, a...
A whole litter of kittens.
And apparently the mother had died or something like that.
It was a wild cat and she gave birth.
So they captured all the kittens.
And then they started trying to find homes for them.
And I said, oh, that's such a crazy story.
I've got to take home.
So I took it and I had to stay in a room with it for two days.
Because it was so crazy and so nuts.
To get it comfortable with me, I had to be next to it for two days.
So I just put a room in my house, my guest room.
I put a litter box in there, put his cat food in there, and put a couple notebooks and some books.
ari shaffir
Notebooks?
joe rogan
Yeah, so I can write shit down.
And then I'll do some reading and just hang out with this fucking cat for a couple days.
ari shaffir
To get it comfortable with you.
joe rogan
Yeah, so that's what I did for two days.
Every time I'd go near...
He would fucking climb up the curtains, climb up the curtains and go fucking crazy.
unidentified
And I'd go, calm down little buddy, calm down, calm down.
joe rogan
And then I'd touch him and then he would start purring and purring, like really loud.
He went from abject fear and terror to purring so loudly or so happy that I'm actually taking care of him.
He didn't know what's going on.
He doesn't know why this big giant pink thing.
ari shaffir
He turned it out pretty much.
joe rogan
Well, I had to turn him into my buddy.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
But I was the only one that could touch him.
ari shaffir
Everyone else would be so skittish around.
joe rogan
And even me, if I'd come up to him, I had to take him to the vet once, and this was a really bad time, man.
It was fucking bad.
This cat jacked my arm.
I had to throw a towel over him and tackle him.
ari shaffir
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah.
He was fighting, man.
He was fighting.
And then I brought him to the vet, and I told him, I go, listen, man, this cat is feral.
Like, don't worry, we've had 25 years here.
I gave them that cat.
And they said, well, you weren't kidding when you said he was feral.
I go, yeah, it's a feral cat, man.
ari shaffir
Yeah, it wasn't kidding.
joe rogan
He goes, that cat is the craziest cat we've ever had in here.
I go, yeah, that's a wild cat.
Big, black, crazy cat.
ari shaffir
Did anybody tell me what my dad did in the army with the kittens?
joe rogan
What?
ari shaffir
They had to make him raise.
brian redban
I wonder if Will Ferrell...
joe rogan
Hold on, you gotta listen to the story.
ari shaffir
They made him raise.
My dad was in special...
What was it called?
joe rogan
Special Forces?
ari shaffir
Yeah, back then.
And what they do is they make you learn how to take care of things, just so you can know how to care for your other GIs or whatever.
So they give you a kitten, just like they give you that egg to care for in middle school.
They give you a kitten, you've got to raise it for two weeks or a month.
I forget.
And you've got to make sure nothing goes wrong with it.
If something goes wrong with it, if it gets sick, you're in trouble.
In addition to running all your laps and doing everything and doing all your regular chores.
And at the end of two weeks, you have to present this healthy kitten.
And then once you present a healthy kitten, they go, okay, now snap its neck.
And they make you snap its neck right there so they can shut you off and turn you into a machine.
unidentified
Wow.
ari shaffir
After you've cared for it for two weeks, kill it with your bare hands.
Not even, like, give it up for adoption.
joe rogan
What the fuck?
What was the story in the Bible where God was telling someone to kill his son?
ari shaffir
Abraham.
joe rogan
What was the story behind that?
ari shaffir
It was a test.
To kill Isaac.
To kill Isaac.
And it was...
Was it not his firstborn?
Was Isaac his firstborn?
And then...
This is when the split-off happened between the Arabs and the Jews.
It was right then.
joe rogan
Really?
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
Why?
ari shaffir
Because Isaac's brother was technically the firstborn, so he should have gotten the birthright, and the Jews say that he didn't.
It went to Isaac and then Jacob.
joe rogan
Okay, so God said to Abraham, I want you to kill Isaac.
ari shaffir
Yeah, so he takes him to this mountain.
joe rogan
His son.
ari shaffir
Yeah, take your son.
He takes him to this mountain, puts him up on an altar.
Yeah, and then he goes to raise a knife over his head.
And God sent a sign.
He sent a ram, which is a normal thing you sacrifice.
He sent a ram right then.
And that was a sign.
Even though rams were indigenous to that area at the time, it was definitely a sign from God.
Some retard God who couldn't fucking get his full words out.
So he just had to ram.
And that obviously means don't kill your son.
Kill this ram instead and then blow the horn once or twice a year.
Because that's so obvious.
That's what it means.
Because he couldn't have just said, hey, don't kill your son.
And that's a good enough sign.
He had to send a ram to walk by.
joe rogan
You're so crazy.
ari shaffir
Such stupid idiot shit once you realize, once you get older.
joe rogan
Imagine if you were a little kid and you got sent to Israel to study this 10-12 hours a day like I already did.
I mean, you'd probably be pretty passionate about it.
ari shaffir
How are we supposed to take that for granted?
He sent a sign.
It was a ram walked by.
Oh, yeah.
That's a sign, obviously.
joe rogan
How crazy was he that he was about to kill his kid?
ari shaffir
Kill his son.
joe rogan
Because God wanted him to.
ari shaffir
And then the issue became like, while we were still religious, the issue became like, well, why would God command that?
Why would that be a test for him?
Why would you do it?
You knew if he was able to.
If there was a test, you're God.
You knew he was going to be able to.
Why wouldn't you just say, okay, good, you're up for it?
joe rogan
You would know more than anybody about how much of what you read when you were reading the Talmud, how much of what you read had been translated several times?
How many times had it been translated before it got to when you're reading in modern-day Hebrew?
How many times has it been transferred to get to that?
ari shaffir
No.
Well, the Torah is written exactly the same as it always was.
joe rogan
Always?
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
So you read it in ancient Hebrew?
ari shaffir
Yeah, even with the same shapes of the letters.
joe rogan
Is it the Old Testament that's different?
ari shaffir
Yeah, and then the Talmud, that was handed down like orally for a while.
And they were afraid it was going to get lost because of some dispersion, so they wrote it down.
joe rogan
The oldest versions of the Bible are the ancient Hebrew versions, except for the Dead Sea Scrolls, which is not technically considered the Bible, even though some of the stories are similar.
ari shaffir
Yeah, I'm not 100% on those.
joe rogan
So they said that the oldest versions were in ancient Hebrew, that the real problem was when they translated it to Greek and Latin, they said that they only knew like three quarters of the words in ancient Hebrew.
ari shaffir
Yeah, the specific meanings to words, they don't know all those because some of those words didn't make it to modern Hebrew and they don't really have a good lineage to say like where was this exact word.
Like if I said, let's just say gently or lovingly, They could mean the same thing in certain times.
I gently said whatever.
I lovingly said.
It's similar.
But there's differences.
And that's why we have two different words.
joe rogan
When was this transition between ancient Hebrew and modern Hebrew?
ari shaffir
Probably during the dispersion.
We got cast out to all different.
That's when we got white Jews and black Jews after that.
unidentified
What year was that?
ari shaffir
I don't know.
joe rogan
And so Israel or the Jews, the modern Jews, they kept the certain modern version of Hebrew.
ari shaffir
Yeah, it was like 4,000 years ago, probably something like that.
joe rogan
But you guys also have numbers, which...
ari shaffir
No, they brought it back.
joe rogan
They brought it back?
ari shaffir
They brought it back ancient Hebrew?
Well, sort of a modern Hebrew, I guess, but they just sort of made it.
When they decided, like, what should our language be?
And they're like, let's bring Hebrew.
It was a dead language.
joe rogan
Oh, it was a dead language.
ari shaffir
Yeah, and Ben-Gurion and all those people said...
When was this?
1948, 47. Holy shit!
joe rogan
Hebrew was a dead language in 1948?
Yeah, nobody was speaking it.
Wow, that's crazy.
ari shaffir
Nobody was speaking it.
And there's some people that treat it as holy.
It's a little much.
But they treat it as holy and they won't speak it.
They'll only speak Yiddish during the week.
And then Shabbat, boom.
That's when you hit them with the Hebrew.
joe rogan
And what is Yiddish?
What's the difference between Yiddish and Hebrew?
ari shaffir
Yiddish is a sort of weird bastardized mixture.
It's like Southern talk, Creole.
It's like not quite English.
This is a mixture of Hebrew and like Germanic mixed with whatever country you're from.
joe rogan
When you hear like Yiddish chicks talk, does it get you hard?
ari shaffir
There's no such thing as Yiddish chicks.
No, because anyone talks that's old.
joe rogan
Oh really?
ari shaffir
That's only old talk?
Old and Jewish, yeah.
Nobody talks like that anymore.
joe rogan
How much is different in that and modern Hebrew?
ari shaffir
Yiddish?
It's mostly German.
joe rogan
So do most kids understand it?
Like Israeli kids?
ari shaffir
I think more German kids get it better.
joe rogan
Really?
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
Wow.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
God, it's so incredible when you stop and think about how many different languages there are.
ari shaffir
Oh yeah, and they all developed somewhat similarly.
joe rogan
And how long was it before they actually started writing shit down?
How long did they have language before they actually wrote things down?
ari shaffir
Yeah.
Because I've read- Maybe a while before they put signs to it.
joe rogan
Probably tens of thousands of years.
ari shaffir
Then it didn't happen the other way.
joe rogan
Yeah, I don't know how long the first written language was, but I don't believe it was more than 10,000 years ago.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
Which is really like nothing.
It's kind of crazy.
It kind of hurts your head when you stop and think about it.
ari shaffir
That's as long as we've been able to communicate without being there?
joe rogan
Trying to put your head around that.
This is what I would always use as an example if I was in a crowd.
Say if I was doing a comedy show and there was 100 people in the audience.
I would say...
What you guys represent, if you lived your lives birth to death, it's just a little room, a little tiny group of people, of a hundred people, but what you represent in terms of potential life...
ari shaffir
One person lived his whole life, the next person was born.
joe rogan
Exactly.
If they lived their lives birth to death to the max, which is like a hundred years, which is the most anybody ever lives, they represent 10,000 years.
ari shaffir
Yeah, and that's as long as...
joe rogan
That's incredible.
That's as long as we know about human beings.
ari shaffir
Wow.
But like 4,000 years ago when we got the Bible around then.
joe rogan
That's right, right?
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
100 people.
ari shaffir
That's when not everyone was like Bedouins.
joe rogan
And we lived 100 years.
Isn't that 10,000?
ari shaffir
100 people living 100 years?
joe rogan
Yeah.
100 people living 10 is 1,000.
ari shaffir
Yeah, 10,000.
joe rogan
Yeah.
That's incredible, man.
Stop and think about that.
10,000 years ago.
And it's just a little tiny room full of people living their lives birth to death represents the distance between us of today and nothing written.
brian redban
I have three math jokes.
Yours is way better than all three of those.
joe rogan
Three what jokes?
brian redban
Math jokes.
I call them math jokes where there's numbers involved so they actually have to think before they laugh.
joe rogan
That's not really a math joke, but it's a what the fuck thinking thing.
ari shaffir
If you want to check his math, it takes you a second.
joe rogan
I've been really getting into Game of Thrones.
ari shaffir
Really?
joe rogan
It's good?
It's amazing.
It's the best show I've ever watched.
I watched the whole, but it's like, I love that kind of shit.
I love that Conan the Barbarian type swords and sorcery type shit.
I love that stuff.
I love it.
So I'm enjoying the fuck out of it.
But it's making me think, I mean, although obviously this is a work of, you know, fantasy fiction, it makes me think of what it must have been like, you know, if you had to live like these people lived.
You know, with swords on horses.
I mean, there was a time where people actually lived like that.
That is how they hunted.
They used bows and arrows.
They did live in these houses.
They did have castles, and they did have armies, and they did have moats.
I mean, these are all realistic, you know, realistic It's hard to wrap your head around how short of a distance it is between that time when people lived like in the Robin Hood days and today.
It's like nothing.
brian redban
You know what would be cool though?
It would still be cool having like, hey, I got these new silver horseshoes.
Have you seen these things?
Silver horseshoes?
It's a different color.
Even though you lived back in those days, people were still making new things up, but the things were different.
ari shaffir
They'd make up a new thing every 140 years.
Then one new thing would come.
brian redban
Yeah, I'm sure there was little things here and there though, just like everything.
joe rogan
Yeah, I'm sure there was a few interventions.
ari shaffir
That was so lame!
Like, when they got Chinese finger traps, they were blown away by that!
It was a party favor.
brian redban
I bet the blacksmith back then was like the apple.
Like, he would come in the community, look at this thing I made.
unidentified
You know, this is a new nail for your face.
joe rogan
Well, they were artisans.
That's something that's really getting lost.
You know, we talked about that when Aubrey was on here last, we talked about that Musashi documentary.
ari shaffir
What about things getting lost?
joe rogan
No, it was, they showed how they used to make samurai swords, and there's a few people alive that still make them that way today.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's crazy.
I mean, you have to be the ultimate craftsman.
I mean, if you and I were left alone to figure it out on our own for a million years, we'd never figure out how to make a fucking samurai sword.
The way they do it is so incredible.
They hammer it down, then they fold it over, and then they hammer it down.
They keep flattening it and hammering it and flattening it and hammering it until it becomes this intense steel that you can just fucking slice through bamboo.
It's really amazing watching the artisan work, the craftsmanship, and the knowledge passed down through generations and generations of how to make a sword.
You know, when you stop and think about it, it's like, how many people are out there in the world today that know how to make anything even remotely like that?
Everything we're buying that's manufactured is manufactured in some sort of a factory.
And if you're going to buy a sword, this is a big machine that's going to cut it and make it with a computer and a laser and shit.
There's not going to be some Japanese dude in flip-flops with wooden bottom shoes.
brian redban
Melting rocks.
joe rogan
It's wild to watch, man.
It's wild to watch what people...
Used to have to do to make something.
It really makes you appreciate how ridiculously easy it is to live to it.
ari shaffir
People are like, I like it better the other way.
I'm like, why?
brian redban
How do you make metal?
You just melt rocks, right?
Or something like that?
ari shaffir
Yeah, you have to have...
It's in the rocks.
joe rogan
To make steel, you have to add things to it, too.
It's not just iron.
No, to make steel, I think you have to...
We should actually look that up.
brian redban
Back in the Disney, what did they do?
They just took some rocks and...
joe rogan
Well, they had to heat things up.
They had to heat them up.
They had to mine the metal.
They had to heat it up.
There's big ore.
ari shaffir
Is there pockets of metal in the ground?
joe rogan
They have to add stuff to the steel.
They have to add stuff to iron.
It's an alloy, technically, it says, according to Wikipedia.
Made by combining iron and another element, usually carbon.
And when carbon is used, its content in the steel is between 0.2% and 2.1% by weight, dependent upon the grade.
ari shaffir
Who figured that out?
unidentified
I don't know.
joe rogan
I don't know.
brian redban
That was given to us.
joe rogan
So I guess they had to add shit.
ari shaffir
Someone else was like, why don't you add carbon?
The first guy was like, what are you talking about?
brian redban
I mean, that's been around for a long-ass time, too.
So who was the first person that somebody told somebody?
That doesn't seem like that makes sense.
ari shaffir
That's alien technology.
joe rogan
You know what the craziest shit in the world is?
ari shaffir
What?
joe rogan
Steel cable.
Who would have ever found some metal in the ground and thought for a second that someone is going to take this shit and have so much of it that they're going to have a fucking 5,000 foot long cable made of steel and they're going to use that to suspend giant beams that weigh several hundred tons over an ocean.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
Are you looking like steel cable?
Steel cable is crazy.
Someone figured out how to take metal, pull it out of the ground, and stretch that shit.
It's hard!
It's hard!
unidentified
How the fuck are you...
joe rogan
How is it moving around?
How are you making cables out of this?
What did you do?
They figured out how to not just make it, but make it so it's big enough to pull boats.
You can have giant, huge ones that are wider around than your body is.
ari shaffir
And that's a cable.
joe rogan
We just said, take it for granted.
Well, I'm going to just get a cable and put a winch on the front of my Jeep in case I get stuck out there while I'm four-wheeling.
You know, people, they have winches and shit so they can pull cars out.
They like to be the cool guy who can pull you out of a ditch.
unidentified
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
ari shaffir
Is that steel cable?
joe rogan
If you're driving in the mud.
Yeah, that's fucking steel cable.
That winch is steel cable, man.
ari shaffir
If you get caught up in that, it's just going to snap your arm off.
joe rogan
Oh my god, yeah.
It'll rip your body apart.
Steel cable, they can pick up trees with that shit.
You can put a winch on.
It depends on the power of the winch.
But if it's a good winch, you can pull hundreds of pounds.
brian redban
That's why black guys like it so much.
I always hear them taking it from buildings.
Stealing cables?
ari shaffir
Oh yeah, that's the little cable.
Stealing.
joe rogan
You silly bitch.
No, steel cable.
Like, you don't pay for it, Brian.
brian redban
Oh.
joe rogan
Not like steel cables.
Think about the first guy who invented wires.
Who figured out how to stretch out some metal so far?
ari shaffir
Think about the real heroes.
Like the first guy to actually steal cable.
Somebody fucking figure that out and then share that information with people.
unidentified
That was easy.
joe rogan
I remember I used to have...
ari shaffir
Everybody did.
Who figured that out though?
joe rogan
There was a guy that lived in the neighborhood that would leave up a thing when satellite dishes first came out.
He would leave up like on telephone poles.
This is how gangster it was in 1993. He'd leave up a phone number and it would say, you know, fix your satellite box to catch any channel.
And so you would give this guy your card and then he would come back and bring the card back to you and it was doctored.
And the card could get everything.
It got every pay-per-view movie, every porn, everything that happened it would get, but it would never work.
unidentified
Really?
joe rogan
It would work for like a day.
ari shaffir
I know those things work where they said they would send a signal to fuck it up.
joe rogan
Yeah, they crush it.
And then it just got to a silly point where I think me and my roommate were like, why are we doing this?
Let's just pay for this fucking thing.
ari shaffir
We didn't want this stuff.
joe rogan
So we can actually have a TV on.
This is so stupid.
brian redban
I saw it at the barbershop in Atlanta.
The guys had hacked their Apple TV, and it had every single channel, HBO, every movie that was in the theaters.
It was just like, watch now, watch now.
And it was set up so cool.
I forgot all about it, but whatever it is, you can live off of just that.
It had streaming channels.
It had Ustream channel.
It had...
It had everything you could possibly want.
New movies in theaters.
It was weird.
ari shaffir
Oh, I got a disturbing story for you.
joe rogan
Uh-oh.
ari shaffir
Remember we went to Vancouver?
joe rogan
Yes.
ari shaffir
And we went to visit that pot shop?
Yes.
But they couldn't sell it to us because we were out of state.
But somebody hooked us up anyway.
He got fired for that.
joe rogan
For hooking us up?
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
Oh, man.
ari shaffir
I got fired because he shouldn't have hooked us up.
joe rogan
Really?
ari shaffir
Yeah.
It's so bad, right?
He was like, no, I can't help it.
But then he went outside and just gave us some.
joe rogan
Yeah, he couldn't sell us any, so he gave us some.
ari shaffir
And you gave him tickets to the UFC after that?
joe rogan
Yeah, what the fuck?
That guy got fired.
ari shaffir
I was like, oh, this is the right way to handle it.
joe rogan
Probably bragged too much about the tickets for the UFC. They were like, I don't know.
That sucks, though.
Sorry to hear about that, buddy.
ari shaffir
I was like, aw.
I was like, that's real, really bad for you.
joe rogan
Someday it's going to be easy to go anywhere and be able to buy weed just like you can go anywhere and buy a beer.
How it should be.
You should be a fucking taxpaying grown adult who walks in there and acts like a gentleman and picks up whatever the fuck you need.
Whether you'd like to buy a bottle of wine to go with dinner or whether you'd like to get an eighth of weed because you and your chick are going to watch movies and fuck.
How about that?
Is that okay?
Am I allowed to do that?
You fucking controlling douchebags.
ari shaffir
You should be a behind-the-counter purchase.
unidentified
Jesus.
ari shaffir
You have to go there with the key.
joe rogan
Yeah, it should be super easy.
Here's your ID. Can I see your ID? Okay, you're 21. Here's your weed, Mr. Shafir.
Take it easy.
21. Nonsense.
Silly bitch.
No.
unidentified
No?
joe rogan
Not for weed.
ari shaffir
It has to be 21?
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
I think it should be four.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
We should be able to get them high really young.
brian redban
I took half an Adderall today.
This is like the second time I've ever done Adderall before.
First of all, okay.
This is the first time that I feel like it...
It's like a sativa.
I think if you are a fan of Adderall, if you got a really good sativa, it would be pretty similar.
joe rogan
Wow, really?
brian redban
I think so.
ari shaffir
No, it makes your body all jacked up and moving.
It's similar in some way.
But here's the deal, Brian.
When you say half an Adderall, you have to understand there are different values for different pills.
Half of a 5 milligram Adderall is far different than the 40 that you might have split in half.
joe rogan
By the way, powerful Ari Shafir t-shirts.
brian redban
Yeah, these are awesome.
joe rogan
Watching on YouTube.
ari shaffir
You guys didn't have to wear them while I was here.
brian redban
I like his tongue.
Look at his tongue.
unidentified
It's got some stuff on it.
joe rogan
Where can anybody buy these, dude?
These are actually really cool.
ari shaffir
I'm going to have them online in like a week or two, but right now at my live dates...
joe rogan
Nice.
brian redban
I love it, Ari.
joe rogan
Pester Ari on Twitter, A-R-I-S-H-A-F-F-I-R, to make sure that he comes strong and corrects with the t-shirts.
ari shaffir
He's got LSD and ecstasy on his tongue, and there's the pink elephants on parade.
joe rogan
Beautiful.
brian redban
It's actually a shirt I would wear.
joe rogan
There's a hot bitch on your head.
ari shaffir
I like it.
Hot naked black chick with a mushroom leaf right next to her.
brian redban
There's only one place I can't wear this shirt, though.
Academy clubs would be kind of weird.
joe rogan
Just wear it, bitch.
Don't be scared.
I'll wear it.
I'll wear this on stage.
If I knew that you had this, I would have wore this for my special.
unidentified
What?
ari shaffir
Really?
unidentified
Yeah.
brian redban
How about that?
joe rogan
That would be a cool shirt.
I would have totally wore this for my special.
How about this?
I'll wear this for my next special.
I'm committing to it.
ari shaffir
Right now, they'll be gone.
This is a 2012 shirt.
I want to have a different sports shirt over here.
unidentified
What are you talking about?
joe rogan
I'm going to wear this next year.
ari shaffir
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
My goal now after doing Atlanta is to try to do another one in a year.
ari shaffir
Yeah, let's talk about that.
That's what I've been trying to do.
brian redban
Let's hear some new jokes of yours, like some notes of yours right now.
joe rogan
Oh, I can't tell you.
brian redban
It could be weird to see it.
ari shaffir
Here's the thing that really helped me.
When you're thinking in terms of this, Tom Segura asked Bill Burr about it.
And he broke it down to what an hour is.
And he goes, that's five minutes a month.
So if you get pretty much any new month that you're like, am I five minutes ahead of where I was?
And just time it that way.
And just keep a pace for yourself.
Where you're either ahead of pace or behind pace.
joe rogan
I had five new minutes the first time on stage.
Because there was a bunch of shit that I had written that I... The last couple of months, I hadn't committed to any new stuff.
I was just trying to completely tighten the old stuff.
Except this circumcision bit that just came out of nowhere.
I couldn't stop it.
I had to put it on.
It just fit in with all this other shit I had to.
But other than that, all my writing that I had from all that time is all bankrolled.
So I just have to go over the writing.
You know, the fucking...
ari shaffir
Oh, right, right.
joe rogan
The nuttiness.
I just have to go over the nuttiness.
ari shaffir
Go back to your notes so you didn't want to explore it because you're like, I've got stuff right now.
joe rogan
Exactly.
brian redban
Oh, cool.
joe rogan
So since I did still keep writing, there's a lot of ideas.
I just have to sort of set them up.
ari shaffir
But this will make yourself go through them.
brian redban
Did you end up doing the baby bee?
joe rogan
No, no, I didn't do that one.
No, that's two specials of that joke.
That's going to be like...
unidentified
No, no, no.
ari shaffir
I had a thought.
unidentified
I had a thought.
ari shaffir
Here's what you do.
joe rogan
What?
ari shaffir
YouTube video.
Just release that YouTube video.
joe rogan
I should.
ari shaffir
Get it out there on your own YouTube account.
brian redban
Yeah, hire some actors.
ari shaffir
I mean, that bit is three or four years old and so ready to go and be done.
brian redban
Have Don Barris be the baby.
joe rogan
Yeah.
I'm so immature with my sense of humor that I have so many jokes about someone getting blown.
ari shaffir
Just use that to promote the special when you have it.
Here's one free.
The next time you go to a big club, just tape it, Brian, fucking tape it from the back.
joe rogan
Maybe.
ari shaffir
Get a close-up of them and get a faraway shot of them and cut those together.
brian redban
I'll go behind you.
joe rogan
Whoa.
ari shaffir
No, not behind.
unidentified
What?
joe rogan
Why are you nodding so enthusiastically?
Adderall.
But it was the Atlanta thing.
ari shaffir
It went great, right?
joe rogan
Couldn't have gone any better, man.
These crowds are completely different crowds.
The crowds that we're getting now are 100% podcast fans.
And it's like hanging out and doing a show in front of our friends.
ari shaffir
It's like a bunch of friends that we don't know that And the other people who come just to come for shows, they're like, oh, this is a really fun thing.
joe rogan
Dude, they're so overwhelmingly nice.
It's crazy.
I don't know how we did it.
I don't know what exactly the combination was to create that.
But that's very unusual.
It's very unusual when you talk to people that work at clubs and people that work at theaters.
They go, your crowd is the nicest crowd we've ever seen ever.
ari shaffir
Oh, yeah, they're pretty cool.
joe rogan
No one's even close.
ari shaffir
They're good tippers.
joe rogan
They're good, they're generous, and they were fucking so pumped for the show, dude.
It was nuts.
I was so comfortable.
It was the only time I've ever done a special where I didn't feel at all like, oh shit, I'm filming right now.
unidentified
Really?
joe rogan
I was completely in the groove.
I had done so much stand-up leading up to that, too.
You just felt comfortable.
Yeah, I did all my work, and then on top of that, the crowd was amazing.
But now it's that the big challenge is to now to create a whole new hour.
So I have to really sit down and I have all these scattered notes.
I'm going to have to do some organizing.
brian redban
Ice House, Ice House, Ice House.
joe rogan
Yeah, we're going to have to do some Ice House shows.
ari shaffir
Do you want to do Wednesday?
joe rogan
Can we do Wednesday?
See if we can do Wednesday.
Do you think we can?
brian redban
Probably not.
joe rogan
Probably not.
If we can, let's do it.
ari shaffir
This is what Louis said too, after you do the first year, when you start the same process again the next year and it seems as daunting as it does right now, you'll be like, oh no, I know this leads to a new hour of material.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ari shaffir
So it's okay, I can do this.
It's like bench pressing to get bigger.
joe rogan
Well, I know that writing to me is just like doing rounds on the bag or doing minutes on an elliptical machine.
You build endurance.
You build like a groove.
And right now, I'm in good writing shape.
I feel like when I write a lot, I get in good writing shape.
ari shaffir
Yeah, it's a muscle.
joe rogan
Yeah, and I think it comes out better the more you use it.
And it comes out, your editing skills on the fly get better.
ari shaffir
Better writing now than you were five years ago, ten years ago.
joe rogan
Of course, no doubt.
ari shaffir
You've been doing a lot, yeah.
joe rogan
I'm so happy that I, you know, I always wondered what would happen as I got older, like if my stand-up would start to suck one day.
You know, I always worried about that.
I always worried about, like, hitting a peak and then not being good anymore.
ari shaffir
It seems like there's a plateau you can get.
It's kind of like a pool where you can play to stand-up later into your years.
It's not like a 40-year-old retirement moment.
joe rogan
Well, I think it has to do with your physical health, too.
If you get depressed and you feel like shit, I bet your comedy is going to start to not be as fun and not be as good.
I think part of the commitment to your craft...
ari shaffir
Stand-up does all the time.
joe rogan
Well, he's a different kind of stand-up.
Stand-up's comedy almost depends on him being miserable.
brian redban
I think almost every comic I know seems like they're depressed and miserable.
ari shaffir
There are a lot that are.
joe rogan
They don't have to be.
It's not necessary, but that can fuel you.
It can fuel you to go up there and get that charge where I know in times in my life where I wasn't happy, I would go on stage and kill.
I'd at least feel like I could do something.
ari shaffir
Rage against something.
joe rogan
I'd at least feel like I'm capable of something.
If I could go on stage, if I'm feeling like a loser, I'm feeling depressed, and I'd go on stage and get a bunch of people to laugh, I'll just be like, okay, I'm not bad at this.
I did a good job at this.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
I can feel a little better now.
brian redban
Yeah, exactly.
joe rogan
It gives you a little pick-me-up.
ari shaffir
Short term.
So they all gave you a standing ovation before you even went on stage.
joe rogan
Yeah, it was nuts.
It couldn't have been better.
brian redban
The place was insane.
joe rogan
It couldn't not have been better.
And there was a lot of traffic because there were some crazy basketball games going on at the same time.
And we got stuck.
It was really hard for everybody to get there.
So the show didn't even start for like a half an hour late.
So everybody was building up.
So when the lights went off and when I came on the microphone to introduce Joey, they went fucking crazy.
And it was so funny because my manager and Shandra and Jeff, they're the best.
I've been with Jeff since I was an open-miker, essentially.
He came and found me in Boston where I was a scrub.
And I think that one of the main reasons why I've been successful is that I don't have to think about the business stuff.
I just let him think about it.
ari shaffir
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
And I just do my comedy.
I don't have to worry about it because he's the best.
But they were like, let's have you introduced offstage.
Like, just say your name clean and you come out alone.
I'm like, Joey's got to bring me up.
ari shaffir
Plus your fans will want to see that too.
That five seconds.
joe rogan
Yeah, Joey has to bring me up.
That's voodoo.
ari shaffir
You're like, okay, thank you for the suggestion.
We're not going to do that.
I appreciate your input.
joe rogan
But they were like, well, let's just try it once.
I'm like, no, Joey's got to bring me up.
It doesn't have to make sense.
ari shaffir
Yeah, you're not going to talk about it.
joe rogan
He's brought me up in every special for the past...
ari shaffir
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Eight, nine years, whatever it's been.
ari shaffir
So you couldn't do it in Canada, right?
joe rogan
Yeah, Duncan and I tried to do a chant at the beginning of one of the specials, but it didn't work at all.
brian redban
It's so hilarious.
joe rogan
Yeah.
brian redban
Everyone's sitting there like, what are they doing?
ari shaffir
What are they doing?
joe rogan
We were way too baked before we came up with that idea.
We thought we could get the whole crowd to om along, and we got like maybe 30 people.
unidentified
Yeah.
ari shaffir
And then everyone's like, what's happening?
What are you doing?
joe rogan
They're waiting for the punchline that never was.
brian redban
That shit is such a trip.
The second show, Joe turned to me and goes, do you want to go up and do five minutes?
And we just got done smoking a joint and I was stoned out in my mind.
I got to go up and it was pretty cool, but it was so hard to judge that many people.
Like you said, 30 people was doing it and it seemed like that's 30 out of a million.
joe rogan
I don't want to say your material, dude, but that one joke you have is fucking funny.
He's got one joke.
I can't say anything.
It'll give away a bit.
It's one joke that's one of them where I go, damn, I wish I thought that one up.
You know, when you hear somebody say something, it's just like...
It fires open a door.
brian redban
It's such a fun one to play with.
There's so much to do with it.
joe rogan
To watch over a thousand people laugh at that was really fun.
It's fun to watch someone go up that's never been in front of that big of a crowd.
But they all were really friendly.
When you went on stage, they gave you a huge round of applause.
ari shaffir
I knew you probably had it.
joe rogan
So that had made you feel like they were happy to see you.
ari shaffir
It's going to be so much better.
It is so much better, the feeling you get when you're like, oh cool, you guys already know me.
joe rogan
Nobody takes more internet shit than Brian.
Nobody takes more.
You have more haters and more irrational, angry people.
ari shaffir
You love it though, right?
A certain part of you loves it.
joe rogan
No, I hate it.
No, no, no.
It's not uncomfortable.
And then there's always some weird sort of analysis of Brian and I's relationship.
Look, Brian and I are very different, but obviously we like each other.
brian redban
I've never had a job for more than 10 years.
unidentified
It's a long time.
joe rogan
It's a long time.
We're working together.
But we like each other.
I mean, we like each other a lot.
I mean, I would say love, but it sounds gay, because he's right next to me.
But of course I love him.
But the reason why we keep doing this is because it works well.
Don't you see?
Yeah, he says ridiculous shit.
Yeah, he thinks so.
But you say also some things that I don't think of.
You come at things from a weird perspective sometimes.
But for whatever reason, people get angry at shit.
All you have to do is say one thing, you'll interject one thing, and it'll derail a conversation.
Sometimes it works, and sometimes you derail something, and it becomes really funny, and sometimes it doesn't.
Who knows?
You never know until you try.
That's what people don't understand that they're listening.
But they'll get so fucking angry at you!
And you're like, dude, get up and go out.
There's a conversation going on somewhere, and you're listening in.
That's it.
That's all that's happening here.
There's no reason to get fucking spastic, angry, fucking violent mad.
Like, relax.
ari shaffir
That's just internet angry.
unidentified
This motherfucker!
joe rogan
If he interrupts one more time, I'm gonna kick him in his cunt!
ari shaffir
That's the only way they've expressed, like, ugh.
That's all they're trying to express.
That's the only way they can do that online.
All they feel is, ugh.
And they have to say that.
I'm going to kill you.
joe rogan
I appreciate criticism.
I really do.
And it sounds like I don't, because I just get mad and block people when they say cunty things on Twitter or whatever.
But I'm not going to argue with you, man.
If you can't communicate with me like a normal human being, if you can't communicate with me like you would, if you just...
I don't care who I ever met.
If I had to have a conversation with Adolf Hitler, if I had to go back in time and have a conversation with Adolf Hitler, I wouldn't start calling him a cunt and say crazy stupid shit to him, even though I know he's a piece of shit.
ari shaffir
Where's that going to help you?
joe rogan
It's not going to help me at all.
I already know what he is.
I want to base all of my interactions with someone on how they interact with me.
I want to know about their past.
I want to know you're dealing with a criminal or whatever the fuck you're dealing with, but...
You should be as courteous as possible to someone.
ari shaffir
Heffron always gets upset when people write in shitty things.
I'm like, Heffron, why do you care?
That's just some shitty person.
Who cares?
That's just a screaming baby.
joe rogan
What are you worried about?
Yeah, I see people go back and forth and fight with people on Twitter.
I'm like, whoa, really?
ari shaffir
Yeah, if someone's like, fuck you, you fucking cunt.
You're like, oh.
joe rogan
Dana White goes off.
Dana White has like multiple day dudes with Jews.
unidentified
Really?
ari shaffir
He can't do that.
There's no point.
What are you going to prove to them that they're wrong?
Has that ever happened in the history of Twitter that you prove to someone that they're wrong?
joe rogan
Dana actually enjoys it, though.
unidentified
Really?
joe rogan
He really does.
unidentified
He's crazy.
ari shaffir
He's from Boston.
He still likes to fight.
He still needs it.
unidentified
He enjoys it.
joe rogan
He's good at it.
He goes to their fucking pictures and makes fun of them.
ari shaffir
Specific information.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's funny, man.
It's funny.
He gets into it.
But he does it all with a big smile on his face.
I've watched him do it.
Obviously, Dana White is successful as fuck.
He's not really worried about what some twatty 15-year-old kid from the middle of nowhere on Twitter is saying about him.
unidentified
I like that word.
joe rogan
He thinks it's fun.
Twatty is a good word.
unidentified
Twatty.
joe rogan
It's a sweet word.
ari shaffir
And by the way, the people that came to Joe's show, I want you to come to my show May 12th.
joe rogan
Where's your show?
Denver.
ari shaffir
Oh, I'm sorry, Denver.
Yeah, the Comedy Works.
joe rogan
Oh, well, that's a totally different place in the world.
ari shaffir
Well, my show was in Atlanta.
Your fans, your people came.
joe rogan
That's a shitty segue right there, son.
You sort of rethought that.
ari shaffir
I realized we just jumped off the subject, and I was like, oh, as we're talking about the special, I'll say that.
brian redban
Do you think Will Ferrell, when he brings his cats to a shelter that he has had many times, they accidentally killed a cat?
joe rogan
What?
Will Ferrell brings his cats to shelters?
brian redban
Like if he goes out of town and he takes it to a shelter?
joe rogan
He brings his cat to a shelter?
brian redban
No, I mean, like if he did, do you think he would constantly have dead cats?
ari shaffir
Why?
brian redban
Because it would be like, Ferrell, you know, his last name would mix things up, some paperwork or something.
joe rogan
Oh, you fucking silly bitch.
I just get done defending you and you come with that.
brian redban
These are like notes, Brian.
ari shaffir
That's what it is.
These are notes that you should write down then revisit later and work on the wording.
joe rogan
I'm incredibly disappointed with you.
brian redban
I threw that in on purpose just because of Ari's throwing.
joe rogan
I'm incredibly disappointed with you, Brian.
I set you up nice for the rest of the show.
You could have walked away a hero.
But no.
No, this guy's right now, this motherfucker, I swear, if I find your red band, red band, I'm going to spit right in your fucking stupid t-shirt.
ari shaffir
Ha ha ha.
unidentified
Fuck you, man.
joe rogan
You ruined my fucking show, man.
unidentified
I fell off the elliptical.
ari shaffir
We got really high this time.
joe rogan
Yeah, we got way too high.
brian redban
This Adderall high thing is totally different.
joe rogan
Yeah, you're on a different thing.
brian redban
Trenta iced coffee on top of that.
joe rogan
Jesus, son.
unidentified
I don't think you're supposed to mix Adderall with caffeine like that.
ari shaffir
Losing weight?
brian redban
No.
ari shaffir
It's a weight loss thing.
Is that what you're doing it for?
brian redban
No, I'm just trying to be focused right now.
ari shaffir
Oh.
joe rogan
Yeah, you're so busy, man.
brian redban
Shipping stickers right now is at a third full time.
ari shaffir
Let me see that fill.
I want to see if that's a 40 milligram or not.
joe rogan
That is the craziest...
You know, by the way, guys, maybe you shouldn't be passing this shit around in front of a camera.
Hey, remember what our friend at Ustream told us?
brian redban
Well...
joe rogan
We'll show you after this.
brian redban
I got a prescription, Rory.
ari shaffir
It's just a baggie.
All right.
joe rogan
Dude, it could be implied as some sort of...
Well, it's made by pharmaceutical companies and it makes people happy.
I know somebody who has a full-time prescription.
He takes it every day.
ari shaffir
People who have severe ADD, they take it to calm them down instead of hype them up.
brian redban
I don't feel calm.
ari shaffir
No, you're getting a totally different reaction than they are.
That's why no medical doctor would prescribe it to you.
brian redban
I feel like I'm coming down from a coke buzz.
ari shaffir
When did you take it?
brian redban
Four hours ago?
ari shaffir
You've got plenty of time.
You've got plenty of time.
joe rogan
How long is it left?
ari shaffir
You're not coming down.
Sometimes 9, 10, 12 hours.
joe rogan
Whoa, Jesus Christ.
brian redban
Two more podcasts tonight, so that's perfect.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
Dude, that's a...
Are you sure that it's healthy to take that stuff?
brian redban
It's not like salad or kale.
ari shaffir
No, it's drugs.
unidentified
It's totally not healthy.
joe rogan
But it's just drugs.
Is it dangerous?
unidentified
No.
ari shaffir
Yeah, a little bit.
brian redban
I'm sure you can overdose on it if you take too much.
I took half a pill, though.
ari shaffir
Would you quit saying half a pill?
I just told you that's such a huge difference.
unidentified
You should stop saying that.
ari shaffir
You should find out how much you're taking.
One 5-milligram pill.
unidentified
It's the same as half a 10-milligram pill.
joe rogan
Brian, that might be horse dosage.
ari shaffir
There was a 4 written on it.
I've never even heard of that.
joe rogan
Brian, you have the strongest ones available.
And you took a half.
unidentified
I've heard of a 10 and a 20. You're cracked out right now, son.
brian redban
Just suck my dick.
joe rogan
Whoa, easy.
brian redban
Just give me a taste.
ari shaffir
This will come down from Adderall.
Is there a way to get...
joe rogan
I think you crush.
You just...
ari shaffir
Is there anything you can take in order to come down?
joe rogan
Yeah, more Adderall.
ari shaffir
More Adderall help you?
joe rogan
Yeah, that's what you do.
ari shaffir
Lighter dosage.
joe rogan
At the end of the day, though, my friend who's on it all the time said that sometimes if he has to do something late at night, like a late night show, it's badly timed.
Because he takes his stuff at a certain time every day.
So if there's a late night show, it fucks him up.
ari shaffir
If I take one of those five-hour energies...
joe rogan
No, Nut doesn't get too hyper.
He's done.
By the time the late night show rolls around, he's over.
He's tired.
ari shaffir
But he can't take it too late because they won't be able to sleep that night.
joe rogan
Exactamundo.
Medicated.
Medicated to the gills.
We live in a strange world.
ari shaffir
I heard about a new drug.
joe rogan
What is it?
ari shaffir
A cop told me in Austin.
joe rogan
Wow.
ari shaffir
Crocodile.
joe rogan
Oh, that's a drug from Russia.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
A lot of guys that were hooked on heroin are taking it.
It makes their skin rot.
ari shaffir
It makes your skin rot.
It's where you can see the bone through your skin.
brian redban
I heard about that.
joe rogan
Have you seen it?
brian redban
They call it something else, like Meow Meow or something like that.
unidentified
Maybe.
joe rogan
I don't know.
It's called Crocodile, though.
ari shaffir
Crocodile, yeah.
Oh, is that what it is?
joe rogan
Yeah, horrifying.
ari shaffir
Yeah, and they said it takes about two years to kill you, so it'll be plenty of time.
You're going to be like, just a little worse, just a little worse.
joe rogan
It must feel amazing.
unidentified
It must.
ari shaffir
That's what I asked the cop who told me about it.
I was like, how does it feel?
Like, awesome, right?
joe rogan
I mean, it's making people have, like, rotten holes in their body where they're shooting it in.
I mean, it's really crazy to look at.
When you look at the images...
ari shaffir
It just rots away your skin.
Have we talked about this on this podcast?
joe rogan
No, we never have.
brian redban
Who would take this?
joe rogan
I don't know.
People are so strange, man.
brian redban
Hey, man, I got this good shit.
It makes your skin fall off.
ari shaffir
Well, that's not the effect that they want.
That's something I'll tell you about.
joe rogan
People are so crazy, bro.
They're so crazy.
It's just such a weird animal.
ari shaffir
You also have to know how much to take and stuff?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Well, how about none?
That's a good move.
ari shaffir
My friend told me he took mushrooms in Amsterdam and he didn't like them.
And I was like, oh, well, how much did you take?
Where'd you take them?
He goes, I took 20 grams.
And I went to the...
unidentified
I was like, what?!
ari shaffir
Well, that's why.
That's like drinking a fucking bottle of tequila and saying, I don't like booze.
joe rogan
20 grams?
ari shaffir
Yeah.
unidentified
That's insane.
ari shaffir
How many grams is in a pound?
In a pound?
I don't know.
An ounce?
He's like, oh, that's different.
I don't know.
unidentified
What?
brian redban
How many in a pound?
unidentified
Yeah.
brian redban
It's at, what, two and a half ounces, I think?
ari shaffir
Two and a half ounces in a pound?
brian redban
Maybe I'm totally wrong.
ari shaffir
I don't know how many grams in a...
20 grams would be about an ounce.
Would that be right?
joe rogan
One pound equals 453 grams.
ari shaffir
Okay, so we took 20 grams.
Nowhere near a pound.
joe rogan
Yeah, nowhere near it.
ari shaffir
But still, way too much.
joe rogan
Imagine if you ate a pound of mushrooms.
unidentified
Oh my god.
joe rogan
What would kill you?
What's the element?
unidentified
I wonder.
joe rogan
Let's find out.
ari shaffir
You might...
You might die from eating the same thing of any one food.
brian redban
I think the one time that I took it where I think I overdosed, I think it came out to about a quarter and an eighth.
unidentified
A quarter.
brian redban
So what is that?
A quarter and an eighth.
ari shaffir
One sixteenth, one eighth, two eighths, three eighths.
brian redban
Three eighths.
ari shaffir
Jesus, you threw me off with that.
unidentified
Three eighths.
ari shaffir
Yeah, you took three eighths.
Yeah, that's a lot.
What kind of mushrooms do you remember?
brian redban
I don't know.
They're the ones that look like fake, like Mario Brother mushrooms.
Like the stems were really big and the caps were like ridiculously fake looking.
joe rogan
280 milligrams per kilogram for a rat.
unidentified
What?
ari shaffir
Would kill a rat?
joe rogan
Yeah.
ari shaffir
200 what?
joe rogan
280 milligrams per kilogram.
Like I don't know how many kilos a rat is.
So how many kilos am I? Well, the problem with all this LD50 for rats is there's a lot of shit that kills animals that doesn't kill us.
ari shaffir
Yes, but there are also a lot of things that kill both rats and us.
joe rogan
And there's also a lot of things that can't kill rats but does kill us.
Like living in sewers?
Well, they're fucking disgusting, these cunts.
ari shaffir
They eat feces?
joe rogan
They're really disgusting.
They eat each other.
I've told this story before.
I killed a big-ass rat in my fucking garage in Encino.
Killed it with a trap, and I was late at night.
I was like, I heard a snap go off while I was writing.
And I went out, I'll get it tomorrow.
I got up in the morning, and there was nothing but skin.
A little bit of skin and a tail.
They ate that fucking rat.
ari shaffir
We had a rat that chewed through his tail in order to get out.
Of a trap.
joe rogan
Yeah, this rat was a big fucking rat, too, man.
They had some big hill rats up there.
In the Hollywood Hills, they got a real problem.
ari shaffir
In New York, they're everywhere.
joe rogan
Yeah, some dude was...
brian redban
Would you rather have mice or rats?
ari shaffir
Mice.
joe rogan
Oh, mice by a long shot.
ari shaffir
A billion times.
brian redban
The one guy that we had on the show, the hoarder guy.
ari shaffir
Willard?
brian redban
What's his face?
I can't think of his name right now.
ari shaffir
Oh, Matt.
brian redban
Matt.
He said that he would rather have rats.
ari shaffir
Why?
brian redban
I heard him on Nick Opie and Anthony yesterday.
joe rogan
A friend of mine lived in the Hollywood Hills, or rather his friend lived in the Hollywood Hills, and he had a dope house with a theater, but when they were watching the movies, he goes, when the movie comes on, he goes, put your feet up, because sometimes rats run across the floor.
And he's like, what?
ari shaffir
That would make it a way worse movie.
joe rogan
He goes, if you live in the hills, there's just no way to avoid them.
What?
Could you imagine there's no way to avoid rats in your fucking house?
brian redban
It's like ants.
joe rogan
That's crazy, though.
unidentified
It's little animals.
ari shaffir
It's so much worse than ants.
Wow.
Wow.
joe rogan
Have you seen Nutrias?
Have you ever seen those things?
ari shaffir
Oh yeah, those giant rats in the south.
Dave Attell went Nutria hunting once.
brian redban
Yeah, that's how I found out about it.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's how I found out about it too.
That was that show, Insomniac.
Well, I was watching some show on one of those outdoor channels.
I was hunting, and the dude's a chef.
I think it's called Dead Meat or something like that.
That's the name of the show.
And he would go and he'll shoot all kinds of weird things and cook them, like all kinds of weird animals.
And so they cooked nutria.
They shot these nutrias.
But there's a bounty on nutrias.
For every nutria you kill, they give you five bucks.
ari shaffir
Wow, really?
joe rogan
Yeah.
ari shaffir
I'd be able to make a living that way.
joe rogan
Yeah, if you have a seven-inch tail, you know, they're big, man.
There's a lot of them, too.
ari shaffir
And do they attack people, or they're just super- No, no, no.
joe rogan
They're vegetarians.
ari shaffir
We just kill them.
joe rogan
The problem is they're destroying the wetlands.
Their rate of erosion caused by nutrias- Where do they come from?
Some insane amount.
It was like, they came from another country.
It's like 350 yards or 350 acres a day.
They were eroding.
These animals were eroding.
An insane amount of ground they can cover in a day.
And they're just jacking all these wetlands.
And so since they started this bounty on them, the show said that they had dropped it down to 50 acres a day.
But they're still fucking things up.
I mean, it's like...
ari shaffir
There's a lot to lose in one day.
joe rogan
Every day, they're just jacking all these wetlands.
They just kill all the vegetation.
All these swampy, crazy areas, they just kill all the vegetation.
They're huge.
The fucking thing was like a dog, man.
And this dude, they went out and they shot him in like an hour's time.
They shot like six or seven of them.
And they throw him in the boat and they took him back and cooked him.
It was really weird, man.
It was funny how everybody was repulsed by it.
Everybody that they told that it was a nutria, they were like, ooh.
But if you tell someone you got a pig, what is it?
Oh, it's bacon.
It's like we came up with cool names for shit that's not the animal itself, like beef.
Beef is cow.
Venison.
Venison is a deer.
You know what I mean?
They would have to come.
You can't just say you're going to eat rat.
ari shaffir
You can say, I'm going to eat chicken.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Chicken is true.
Chicken is only chicken.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
But pork is like bacon.
It's ham.
You could have a couple different names for it.
ari shaffir
Bacon's so fucking good.
unidentified
Why is it so good?
brian redban
Have you been to Denny's when they had that bacon shit?
joe rogan
The fat and the crispy meat.
It's just so delicious.
brian redban
Bacon milkshakes.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's so delicious that, I mean, this has been talked to death by comedians, but the idea of, it's become sort of almost like a hacky joke.
unidentified
Put bacon on anything?
joe rogan
Yeah, put bacon on any kind of food and it makes it better.
ari shaffir
It does.
joe rogan
Yeah.
brian redban
Chocolate and bacon's good.
Have you ever had that together?
ari shaffir
That's okay.
I had that affair once.
brian redban
Yeah, I've had that.
unidentified
It's okay.
ari shaffir
You put a little salt on it.
joe rogan
You know what's amazing, man?
Salted caramel.
ari shaffir
Oh, yeah.
Ooh, that shit's good.
That's a weird...
joe rogan
Yeah, salted caramel ice cream.
Holy shit.
I know what you're talking about.
There's a place in Denver, too.
I forget the name of it, but they have amazing salted caramel ice cream.
brian redban
Sounds amazing.
joe rogan
And Denver is where Ari Shafir is going to be next week, recording his fucking powerfuls.
You see, that's a segue, son.
ari shaffir
Here's the deal.
I just want to say, I'm there the 10th through the 12th of May.
But I want the cool people, like all these people listening.
joe rogan
He wants us.
And by the way, the Comedy Works, you owe it to yourself.
If you're going to see a comic like Ari, go to the best club in the fucking country.
And the Comedy Works in Denver might just be that club.
If it's not the best club, guess what?
There's no better club than the Comedy Works in Denver.
There's no better club in the planet.
There's just not.
There's the clubs that are just as good, but there's no better club.
ari shaffir
It's on any list of, like, these are the clubs I like to play before I stop.
joe rogan
The Comedy Works in Denver is at the level of the best club in the country.
I don't think there's any one best club in the country because there's like Helium in Philly.
That's the same level.
It's the same level.
There's nothing bad about that club.
It's perfect.
It's one of the best clubs in the country.
In my opinion, like Helium in Philly and the Comedy Works in Denver, they're the same level of club.
I think that that place is as good as it gets.
It's the cream of the crop as far as comedy clubs go.
And Denver is the stoniest, coolest fucking city in the country.
I love Denver, man.
brian redban
When are you coming back to Columbus?
unidentified
Seriously.
joe rogan
Yeah, you know what?
I'm gonna book that.
I'm booking a bunch of shit now that I have to write a bunch of new stuff.
So when I come to Columbus, that's probably what I'll do.
I'll probably do the comedy club for a couple of days.
brian redban
The Funny Bone's a good club there, but isn't it weird how that place doesn't have a green room?
joe rogan
Yeah, whatever.
I kind of like it.
I like when you're roughing it.
ari shaffir
Going back to the kitchen to pull up a chair.
joe rogan
Yeah, I like when you have to live like that sometimes.
It's realistic.
It's good.
It's good for you when you have to be in the hallway warming up and there's fucking people walking by with drinks.
It seems stupid, but I think all that stuff, you should never get away from that.
That's a real comedy club, man.
That's where we all cut our teeth.
That's what's responsible for a lot of guys making a living.
Those kind of clubs.
Those are real places.
brian redban
It's not a bad energy.
ari shaffir
When you're there for two or three hours, it's nice to have a place to put your stuff in.
joe rogan
Yeah, but you know what?
Just go out and sit with the people at the bar.
Who gives a fuck?
Just go hang out with people.
brian redban
That patio is so big, though.
You should just put a shed out there.
Or an Airstream.
What if you pulled up one of those trailers?
joe rogan
The Airstream trailer.
brian redban
Yeah, that'd be badass.
joe rogan
But they need that patio because people can't smoke in the bars, right?
ari shaffir
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Isn't that the law?
ari shaffir
You gotta go outside to smoke.
joe rogan
Isn't that the laws now?
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
Right, so you have to go outside to smoke.
Yeah, that law apparently is a big divider among the pool world.
Pool players are really upset.
ari shaffir
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah, because a lot of guys, first of all, when they're gambling, they would just constantly be smoking.
ari shaffir
Poker had the same problem.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ari shaffir
They tried to get it out.
It was the last link to leave casinos was the poker area.
joe rogan
Yeah, I know for that breath that I just took, that was like a lot of guys, they needed that.
They needed that cigarette to calm them down while they're gambling.
ari shaffir
I don't think they needed it.
I think they just got used to it.
joe rogan
I know they do.
ari shaffir
They're resisting change.
joe rogan
But they're addicted.
And when they're addicted, yeah, you need it.
I've seen a lot of guys who just got really pissed off and they would start going to places that would allow smoking.
ari shaffir
Yeah, because some guys would let you chain smoke.
So it's not like going outside.
I can't just keep going outside.
I just want to keep going.
joe rogan
The only way they can make that different is if you made it a private club.
I belong to a cigar club.
It's very halty-schmaltzy, me and my brother Matt.
And when we go, we can go and smoke cigars with all these people out in this place.
They have gourmet food, and we act like assholes.
ari shaffir
Oh, that's nice.
joe rogan
Like bigwigs, you know?
Like you're some sort of a deal-maker.
I'm a deal-breaker!
Sell at 17. And it's kind of a crazy place because the girls are all really pretty and they're like scantily clad and they serve excellent food and there's all these rich guys out there.
You always see them like movie stars and shit.
But it's a club, you know, and you're allowed to smoke cigars at this club.
They should make a place where, you know, it's a comedy club.
ari shaffir
Why don't they have pot rooms like this?
joe rogan
What's that?
ari shaffir
Pot rooms.
joe rogan
That's exactly what I was going to say.
ari shaffir
Where?
brian redban
What's that one?
ari shaffir
That one shut down because they got scared.
joe rogan
In Toronto.
ari shaffir
Oh no, in Toronto, yeah.
brian redban
Oh, the one here?
ari shaffir
On Melrose.
On Melrose, they shut it down.
The back room?
brian redban
They got scared?
ari shaffir
Yeah, because when the shutdowns were starting, they were like, we don't want to take any chances.
Because people don't know how much you're allowed to get away with, so they're just guessing.
When the shutdown times are like, let's stop.
It was a hash bar.
It was so great.
It was a full hash bar.
People go there to write.
joe rogan
That guy came up to me a couple times when we were doing sales, and he asked me to do shows there, and I was like, you're going to jail.
Really?
Why?
ari shaffir
If everyone's in there with a car, why does it matter?
joe rogan
Because there's the possibility, always, of federal intervention.
If the DEA is in town, because they're going to start cutting down...
ari shaffir
But it was there anyway, even if they just have a regular pot room.
brian redban
That was a hard room.
joe rogan
Yeah, but not that way.
But that's where people are going to be getting high.
Actually physically getting high.
And a lot of them, I guarantee you, are not going to be legal.
There's going to be a lot of sneaky hippies that, oh man, I didn't have the money to renew my card, man.
What's the hassle?
It should totally be legal anyway, man.
Nature gave me my license.
There's a few of those fuckers.
They're going to arrest them.
If you could be there doing a show while that goes down, You might go to jail, too.
ari shaffir
Every time I want to wait when your car doesn't ever get renewed, let's say it ends May 1st, you're like, I'll just buy a bunch of weed April 29th, and that'll last me until June 30th.
But then you're like, what am I doing?
Well, I'm just trying to buy two months for the fucking $45 it costs.
joe rogan
It is beautiful that you could just go to a store and buy it.
ari shaffir
Yeah, it really is.
joe rogan
I don't think that's going to go away now just because of the fact that...
ari shaffir
We're too used to it.
We're a revolt now.
joe rogan
Yeah, and it has a big impact on the economy.
It's just the rest of the country really doesn't know that kind of freedom yet.
They don't know how easy it is to live like this.
It's so great.
It's great!
And people who think there's anything wrong with it, you're being silly.
ari shaffir
It's drugs.
It's drugs.
That's not a good enough answer.
So is alcohol.
joe rogan
So is Adderall.
ari shaffir
So is Adderall.
joe rogan
So is this coffee I'm drinking.
This is a drug.
ari shaffir
My feeling is like, yeah, so it's a drug.
brian redban
So is this Nuba ring I have in my bubble.
joe rogan
Do drugs.
Yeah, so what?
ari shaffir
Do drugs all you want.
What's the difference?
joe rogan
These people are scared, Ari Shafir.
They're goddamn scared.
They're scared of the void.
ari shaffir
Cigarettes have addictive nicotine in them.
And you shouldn't say like, well, just because they're doing something wrong, you should be allowed to, but like...
joe rogan
We are going to have to...
I was going to write this thing.
I wrote this whole thing about this Trayvon Martin thing when that kid got shot and there was all these people that were rallying one way or another.
ari shaffir
My problem is nobody really knows what happened.
unidentified
Exactly.
joe rogan
No one does know what happened.
But my feeling was like, man, when are we going to evolve past the point where that's even a concern?
ari shaffir
Oh, yeah, exactly.
joe rogan
When are we going to evolve past the point where people are breaking into people's houses and stealing shit?
When are we going to evolve past the point where people are starting shit because they're packing a gun?
Is there ever going to come a time when that's the past?
We're not hacking each other with swords in the streets every day everywhere you live anymore.
Everything is getting radically improved.
Security and safety.
Radically improved.
Every city, all over the world.
ari shaffir
We're animals here.
You know what they said?
They said they were in lines after the tsunami and the Japanese people were in lines waiting to get their food.
Someone said, it's so nice that you wait in lines here and it's so orderly.
And he was like, well, that's the only way it should be.
What are you talking about?
We've become such animals that we think that's great.
joe rogan
Well, we are a country without much history or tradition.
You know, we have a sort of a fake history and tradition.
We make a big deal out of our history.
You know, I'm American.
I know my history.
You know, what history?
A bunch of marauders.
ari shaffir
The one of your great-great-grandfather starters?
joe rogan
Escapees from other countries that fucking came over here and tortured and killed all the natives.
ari shaffir
Yeah, or you came later.
joe rogan
Fucked them over and...
Yeah, or you came later.
ari shaffir
I'm proud of my history.
You're white trash.
That's not a history.
joe rogan
It's silly when you stop and think about, say, the history of China or the history of Japan, one country that's been in one place for thousands of years.
I mean, there's a true history to Japan, and there's a history of obedience, and there's a history of order and discipline, and the tradition of it is far stronger than it is in this country.
That's a fact.
Brian and I saw it when we went over there.
And I'm not saying that Japan is...
If I had to choose between living in Japan or living with Jamiroquai, I would say I'm going to live in Japan because I would kill that dude.
ari shaffir
You wouldn't want to have him as a roommate.
joe rogan
Apparently he gets crazy.
I love his music though.
Don't get me wrong.
But apparently he gets crazy and throws punches at people and shit.
But Japan was so much more polite and orderly, and even like when we were at the...
They didn't understand us.
So when we were at the arena, once we got in and I showed them that I had a badge, they would like talk to my...
unidentified
And I'd go, no, he's with me, he's with me.
joe rogan
They just let you go.
brian redban
They just let you go.
ari shaffir
I like that at some point where you're like, look, obviously you can lie to me if you want, but please don't do that.
I'll just check.
joe rogan
Yeah, there's a noticeable, and I'm not saying it's a perfect society or utopia or anything like that, but there's a noticeable leap up in impatience and a noticeable leap up in kindness and the way people interacted with people.
It was really interesting.
ari shaffir
That's what happens when you have unfettered access to rapable Chinese women.
joe rogan
Is that what it is?
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
They just calm down?
ari shaffir
They just calm down.
They go rape the inland and then go back and just be calm.
brian redban
I'm going to go back to Japan soon.
I think me and Brad from Ustream are going to go.
joe rogan
Are you really going to go on a little vacation?
brian redban
You and who?
ari shaffir
Some guy you met online?
joe rogan
Yeah, they're going to get sexy.
brian redban
Brad from Ustream has an office there, so he goes all the time.
So I'm thinking next time he goes, I might just go with him and just hang out.
joe rogan
Wow.
Yeah, well, I found it quite fascinating.
I mean, I've been to several different countries now, and it really does illuminate you.
You know, Ari and I went to Brazil recently, and we were sitting, it was like 7 o'clock in the morning, we may or may not have just smoked some weed, and we're sitting on this balcony overlooking this beach, and it's beautiful.
ari shaffir
The sun was coming up.
joe rogan
The sun's coming up, and we were watching all these kids play and play soccer, and we were like, who does this in America at 7 a.m.?
unidentified
Who does this?
ari shaffir
They all just ran out there and started playing soccer and they're barefoot crossing the street.
Then these other kids got home from going out, but it was like...
joe rogan
They look like they're having a great time.
ari shaffir
Yeah, they're still out where they're holding their shoes.
Everyone's just out.
joe rogan
I don't think Brazil is better than America or America is better than Brazil, but I know that that way of living is better than the way that most people here live.
ari shaffir
I heard a quote recently.
I think it was Mark Twain, but Johnny Pemberton told me.
He goes, it was, comparison is a death of joy.
joe rogan
Wow.
ari shaffir
It's like, who cares about better or worse?
I'll just tell you what the nice things we saw.
joe rogan
That's beautiful.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
brian redban
Do you know in Japan that the government pays your electricity?
They pay a lot of things.
joe rogan
I wonder if that's going to change now that their power plants are fucking melting into the earth.
brian redban
Or maybe if they just started charging for it and they could have a better profit to make sure this doesn't happen in the future.
I wonder if that's even an issue.
joe rogan
Make more profit from it.
ari shaffir
What do you mean?
What would that do?
joe rogan
They're fucked, Brian.
They have a real problem with those three reactors.
ari shaffir
How would the problem have solved it?
joe rogan
Possibly a fourth.
ari shaffir
How would the profits have solved the meltdown?
brian redban
Well, because obviously it seems like their shit was built like retarded style.
If they had some more intelligent people going, wait a second, you should not build it so it only goes to a 7.0 magnitude quake?
joe rogan
They had it up to an 8.2, I believe.
But it was even larger than that.
unidentified
It was like a 9. Why don't you make that shit 20?
joe rogan
Well, I don't think they can.
The reality is...
ari shaffir
You're right.
Just go deeper.
joe rogan
Didn't we just talk about this the other day?
This is my take on the craziness of nuclear power, was that it's only been around for less than 100 years.
And think about it, 100 years, all the different huge cataclysmic disasters.
From Chernobyl to Three Mile Island to this one in Fukushima.
This is three giant, huge ones that have taken place, and it's only been in less than 100 years.
How long is nuclear power?
Thank you, sir.
How long is nuclear powerful?
C2O coconut water.
My favorite.
It's delicious.
It comes from Thailand.
It tastes so good, you think that it's got sugar in it.
And I even asked them, I go, you got sugar in this shit, bitch?
unidentified
They sell it on Instagram.
brian redban
- We might have just set it up.
joe rogan
- Yeah, sure.
unidentified
- Yeah.
ari shaffir
- That's their ad-free ads.
joe rogan
- Where were we before we went on the coconut round?
- The nuclear-- - Yeah, the real issue is they don't know how to shut these fucking things off.
And that's terrifying.
It's terrifying that they're willing to build something that they don't have an out clause with.
They were just hoping to keep the power on so they can keep it cooled off.
ari shaffir
Germany wants to be without nuclear power in 20, 40 years.
joe rogan
I think Norway has moved towards that as well.
There's been a couple of European countries that are considering this now.
They realize, first of all, they're very small.
A lot of European countries think about the impact of one nuclear power plant or two would have had on them.
Japan is very small and they're seeing the impact of the radiation pretty far.
brian redban
Isn't there some kind of...
This is another O'Brien dumb shit thing.
Isn't there some kind of metal?
ari shaffir
Take another chance.
brian redban
Isn't there some kind of metal that they can almost just coat the whole entire reactor?
It's too hot.
Like pewter.
joe rogan
It's too hot.
Everything's going to melt in it.
Everything's going to melt.
It's a goddamn nuclear reactor.
I don't understand nuclear science enough to comment on it, but from what I understand, they literally can't cool this thing off.
And they don't know what to do.
And they're pouring ocean water on it to try to cool off the reactors.
They've eaten through their containment.
They don't know where it's going to go as far as how much it's going to impact the soil.
They've never really had one meltdown like this before, let alone three meltdown in one area in Japan.
They've never had this.
So they've got to learn from what happened in Chernobyl.
I don't know if Chernobyl's damage was as bad as this one is, but it's pretty fucking significant.
And the scary thing, again, is that there's several of these things all over the place.
I shouldn't say several.
There's hundreds of them all over the world.
And if these reactors keep fucking up in different spots of the world, we're going to have giant areas of our world that's contaminated and dead for hundreds of thousands of years.
And that's the reality that we're operating under and living under right now.
While you and I are sitting here talking on this laptop, and our information is being passed through the internet, there's lights that are on, and you're going to get in your car and you're going to go, and electricity is going to fucking power that gas meter when you pump gas at the gas station, and there's going to be an electron.
All that shit is nuclear power, son.
All that shit is built on the back of insanity.
Our entire civilization runs on an insane idea that we're going to take and we're going to make a nuclear reaction.
We're going to make a fucking reactor.
And we're going to use this insanely hot thing to burn water and create steam.
And the steam is going to power and make electricity.
It's nuts!
It's fucking crazy!
And it's how the whole country works.
The whole country is essentially almost primarily on coal and nuclear power.
So it's either giant fires or it's...
Real stuff what?
There's a few places that have windmill fields.
And then dams, right?
Yeah, dams can generate some electricity.
But there's a lot of it that's nuclear.
unidentified
A lot!
brian redban
Have you ever been to that windmill fields that's right outside of Los Angeles, going up...
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
brian redban
The grapevine, the grapevine.
Yeah, at night, just thousands of these red dots.
I had no idea what it was, and I'm just driving going, what the fuck was that?
Holy shit, what is this?
joe rogan
We've done a few fear factors out there.
ari shaffir
Oh yeah, it's cool.
And those fan things are so slim that you're like, what?
How does this do anything?
It's so small.
joe rogan
And again, steel cable fucking everywhere!
ari shaffir
Wait, Brian, how does your brain work where we were on a conversation about nuclear power and stuff, and you asked about the safety of nuclear power?
How would that be an O'Brien moment?
You were completely staying on topic and not making a joke.
brian redban
No, because I was talking about pouring metal on top of a whole factory.
joe rogan
Locking it down in a big metal box.
brian redban
You know those little toys you used to buy when you were a kid, like those little pewter toys, like whatever that is, if you poured like a billion gallons of that.
joe rogan
Well, I think the real issue is they can't cool it down.
ari shaffir
Ever?
joe rogan
It's going to take forever.
ari shaffir
How does other nuclear plants cool down?
They use a nuclear power to cool it down?
joe rogan
A lot of what's going on in a nuclear power plant is keeping it stable and making sure that there's not what's called a meltdown.
I don't understand it enough to be just talking in vague terms.
But what happened with Fukushima was the earthquake and tsunami and flooding and everything fucked up their backup generator.
So they had nothing.
They had nothing to keep it powered.
So they had essentially eight hours before there was a meltdown.
So there's eight hours where they could just evacuate the area and run.
ari shaffir
Have the cancer started yet?
joe rogan
I don't know, but I'm sure.
ari shaffir
It will soon.
joe rogan
There's bunnies that have been born with no ears.
There's weird mutants that are starting to appear in the animal world.
unidentified
Oh yeah, there's the fish.
ari shaffir
You see the fish things?
brian redban
They're just hanging out with me and Joe.
ari shaffir
Fish are born with non-working eyes.
joe rogan
Oh Jesus.
ari shaffir
What?
brian redban
Just hanging out with me and Joe.
You probably have whatever we have now.
joe rogan
Yeah, we're going to Japan.
ari shaffir
Like Fantastic Four.
joe rogan
I was going to not eat the sushi over there, but it looks so delicious.
I was like, whatever, let's let it ride.
brian redban
Yeah, that lasted a half hour.
I think we were talking about how we weren't going to eat anything.
ari shaffir
People are dying over there.
Alright, I'll just have 12. I'll just have 25 of them.
joe rogan
Sushi looked great and everybody looked healthy.
ari shaffir
Cancer has no look.
joe rogan
We were just talking, you and I were, about Mad Cow.
They just found another episode of Mad Cow.
unidentified
In SoCal.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ari shaffir
They said the only reason they found it is because they had random testing.
joe rogan
Jesus Christ.
ari shaffir
Didn't have the symptoms at all.
brian redban
It was an irritable...
ari shaffir
Yeah, no, but they said they act a certain way.
joe rogan
Dude, it's so scary.
They're feeding cows cows.
Mad cow disease comes from them taking cows and then butchering them and then grinding up their brain matter and all sorts of shit.
ari shaffir
Whatever's left over.
joe rogan
And using it for a protein base that they feed to other cows.
ari shaffir
And mix it in with the grains.
joe rogan
Cows aren't supposed to eat cows, by the way.
ari shaffir
So why are they doing this?
Really?
Just to save money?
joe rogan
Yes, exactly.
To save money.
Because it makes more effective feed.
You can force the cows to eat that shit, and they will eat it and stay alive.
And they get all fat and fucked up.
And they get essentially what's called Jacob's Krutzfeld disease, which is the same disease that savages and cannibals in New Guinea get.
ari shaffir
Where do they get?
The shakes?
joe rogan
They get this terrible neurological disorder from eating human brain.
ari shaffir
Because you're programmed to not eat, not supposed to eat that other.
joe rogan
Exactly.
It's a fucking trick by nature to make sure the cannibals don't survive.
ari shaffir
But if a lion ate human brain, he'd be fine.
joe rogan
No problem.
No problem.
Unless the lion ate a human who had Jacob's Kreutzfeldt disease.
ari shaffir
And then he would get that?
joe rogan
Because then he could get it because he could get it from what are called prions.
And that's the concern with people eating beef that came from England during a certain period of time when mad cow disease was running rampant.
The idea is that You could have possibly gotten this Jacobs-Cruzard disease.
ari shaffir
Had people started showing symptoms of that ever?
joe rogan
Some people have.
Yeah, sure.
People have died from mad cow disease.
It's no joke.
ari shaffir
And then the Prime Minister of England was trying to say, remember that?
He was trying to say it's safe now.
So he fed a burger to his daughter on TV. Jesus Christ.
This is how safe I think it is.
Eat this burger.
joe rogan
Jesus Christ.
That's crazy.
That's Game of Thrones type shit.
Crazy asshole.
It's, you know, it's amazing that they're so greedy and stinky and disgusting that they've actually decided that there's a good way to save money.
Feed cows cows.
You know, I mean, it's just a cunty decision.
Just the worst decision.
With any company that makes that decision, the government should come in like stormtroopers and close their fucking shop down and make it a socialist place.
They should take over and feed the cows only grass.
ari shaffir
Burger King's going to...
joe rogan
That's how bad I feel about it.
ari shaffir
...to Safe Chickens and something else by 2017. Safe Chickens?
No, not safe.
Free Range.
joe rogan
Free Range Chickens?
brian redban
That's awesome.
joe rogan
So it's going to be more expensive, but...
ari shaffir
Maybe.
Or maybe they're just like, fuck it, we'll lose a little more money.
We won't make as much.
joe rogan
Definitions of Free Range, I bet, are pretty sloppy.
I bet Free Range is that they're not in cages.
They're in a giant pit.
ari shaffir
That's probably what it is.
It looks like it's moving.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's Free Range.
ari shaffir
By the way, I've never gone to Diaz's house...
And look through the screen door.
The cats move all at once sometimes.
It just looks like the floor is moving.
It looks like they're migrating.
joe rogan
Dude, Diaz is living in a crazy environment.
brian redban
They rock like birds?
ari shaffir
Yeah, it's like 12. It's like a bunch of them.
joe rogan
Does he have 12 now?
ari shaffir
I think it's something like that.
brian redban
I think it's 12. I have an idea because I need to get rid of one of my cats because it just doesn't work well with my dog and the other cat hates it too.
So it's just miserable.
So I want to find like an old lady to give it to him.
But I was thinking about just like taking it over to his house and just kind of like throwing it into the mix.
joe rogan
Why don't you pawn it off on one of your ex-girlfriends?
They've pawned off dogs and cats on you.
brian redban
Yeah, I should.
ari shaffir
No, that's an old cat.
brian redban
That's what grandmothers are for, but unfortunately all my grandmothers are dead, but I used to always give them my cat.
ari shaffir
Here's what you gotta do, take a dictionary and just slam that skull.
joe rogan
Giving you their cats.
brian redban
Old people need animals.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
Companionship, right?
joe rogan
Yes.
I think companionship is fucking for sure.
brian redban
So if anyone in Los Angeles is old and needs a companion.
ari shaffir
Take your old cat.
brian redban
If you're hot.
unidentified
Shitty old cat.
brian redban
First call me and then I'll see you.
ari shaffir
How much longer is that cat going to live?
You hope it dies, right?
brian redban
I think it's like six more years, I would say.
ari shaffir
Do you come up going, are you dead?
No, you're not.
brian redban
What?
ari shaffir
Do you ever hope he dies?
brian redban
I don't hope any animal dies, but it is...
unidentified
Sort of.
ari shaffir
You wouldn't be upset.
brian redban
It is a miserable cat right now, and I feel really shitty for even trying to give it a happy life right now.
joe rogan
Why is it so miserable?
Because you've got a second cat?
brian redban
Because I have a second cat and a dog, and both of them...
joe rogan
Fuck with it.
brian redban
Those two love each other, and they're like a gang, and they're just like, fuck this other cat, you know?
joe rogan
And the other cat's the original one.
brian redban
The original one.
And it's like, damn, bitch!
joe rogan
You've created a gang war in your own house.
You've got bullies.
In your own house.
Meanwhile, you're supposed to get rid of the other two.
You're supposed to get rid of the cat and the dog.
brian redban
Yeah, but they pay me off.
ari shaffir
Keep the original.
joe rogan
They pay you off?
brian redban
They pay me off.
unidentified
Really?
ari shaffir
And what?
Kisses and attention?
Yeah.
You need that now and then ever.
brian redban
One eats my poop, so he never poops in the house because he just eats it right away so he doesn't have to clean it up.
joe rogan
Don't ask him because it's going to be something like this.
brian redban
He picks up after himself.
He shits and then eats it back up.
He never has to clean his poop up.
joe rogan
Does he really?
unidentified
Yeah.
ari shaffir
No, he does not.
joe rogan
So disgusting.
brian redban
Yeah, but he never cleaned poop up off the floor.
Are you kidding?
joe rogan
Are you joking around right now?
I hope you are.
brian redban
No, I'm not.
joe rogan
You leave that thing in and it doesn't have...
It can't shit, so it just shits on the ground.
brian redban
No, it uses a poop pad.
joe rogan
And it eats its own shit?
brian redban
Huh?
joe rogan
And it eats its own shit?
brian redban
It loves its own shit.
joe rogan
Stop it.
unidentified
It's a human shitipede of a dog.
ari shaffir
It does not eat its own.
A lot?
Like all of it?
Or just lick at it?
brian redban
You want to bet?
ari shaffir
Wait, is it just lick at it?
Or is it all of it?
brian redban
Every time I come down, it looks like he ate a nice cookie.
There's little crumbs of his own poop everywhere.
joe rogan
Oh, dude.
How is that not incredibly disgusting to you?
brian redban
Because I... Hold on.
ari shaffir
Maybe he's just shitting out of his mouth when you're not looking.
brian redban
I put Listerine strips in his mouth and I... No, you don't.
I have this dog spray stuff for dog breaths.
joe rogan
Ari, save this conversation, please.
ari shaffir
Are you going to do shooting fests this year?
joe rogan
If I can.
ari shaffir
Allegedly?
joe rogan
Allegedly.
I have to find out where I am, what part of the world...
ari shaffir
Yeah.
I made it Mondays just for comedians.
joe rogan
When I block out an amount of time like that, it's very selfish because I'm a father.
I can smoke pot and be functional, but I have to be real particular about where I do shrooms.
ari shaffir
Oh, yeah, yeah.
It's got to make it work.
brian redban
I tell you, the last time I did it, man, I was convinced I'm never going to do this shit ever again.
I'm like, you know what?
Well, I've done it since I was a young person, and then I stopped for seven years.
And then I always thought in that seven-year time, I'm like, you know what?
I've done everything I needed to do with that.
That's stupid now.
But then I started dating younger girls, and then I had to re-go through all their drug experiences, and now I'm back into how I was when I was 21 again.
joe rogan
Well, I think it's all about the intent.
What are you trying to accomplish out of using it?
Are you trying to find something out about yourself?
Are you trying to have a spiritual journey that you go on?
ari shaffir
Have a better concert.
joe rogan
Yeah, or are you just trying to play and party and get fucked up and say, I can't believe what I took.
Whoa, I took so much!
Because I think a lot of times when you do that and you don't go into a trip, you can take a mushroom trip for granted, and a mushroom trip can kick your fucking ass.
ari shaffir
Yeah, that can be just fun, too, though.
unidentified
Sure.
ari shaffir
You can't just go to a concert or go do something.
joe rogan
It depends on the quantity, the quantity, food, how much food you ate, the quantity, who you're with, where your state of mind is.
ari shaffir
You want to be with people you like.
joe rogan
Yeah, and you can get away with doing mushrooms, but when you do big doses like you did, you did a giant dose.
ari shaffir
Yeah, that's a lot.
joe rogan
I firmly believe that you should be prepared for a fucking journey through space when you do that.
I mean, you should be someone who's been going to yoga class.
You should be someone who can sit down.
brian redban
I think that's an overdose amount.
There is such thing as overdose amount, meaning your body...
joe rogan
Well, we just went over that with the rats.
ari shaffir
Well, the body immediately rejects any of it, even a small amount.
It's like your body's like, no!
unidentified
No!
ari shaffir
No!
Get this out of me!
joe rogan
An overdose?
ari shaffir
Yeah, you're reacting to that stuff, to that poison.
joe rogan
The thing about mushrooms is it's not poison.
What's going to jack you is like, it's like saying salt is poison.
Salt isn't poison, but if you eat a pound of it, you're fucking dead.
ari shaffir
It's a thorn.
joe rogan
Yeah, mushrooms are, the psychoactive ingredients in mushrooms, it mimics human neurochemistry.
That's why it's so powerful.
What mushrooms is, what psilocybin is, I don't know how to say it exactly, but something like 4-phosphoroxy-NN-dimethyltryptamine.
And NN-dimethyltryptamine is actually made by the human brain.
So it's dimethyltryptamine plus something else.
And it's some weird phosphorus something or another molecule attached to it somehow or another that makes it different.
But whatever it is, it's so close to human neurochemistry, it's not really a poison.
It's just some weird fucking side venture that you can take your mind on.
So the danger is only in like spectacular doses to actually worry about poisoning yourself.
ari shaffir
If you take three grams, you're fine.
joe rogan
Yeah, you could take a lot.
I mean, I know I've heard many people that took 5 and 10 grams.
I've heard 10 grams from many different people, and they are fine.
I mean, they're scared as fuck.
And when they come out of it, I mean, they shot through the middle of the fucking rabbit hole and came back with Robert Lewis.
What was the guy's name?
ari shaffir
That's about what you took, Brian.
10 grams.
brian redban
10 grams?
ari shaffir
It's about 10 grams, yeah.
Robert Lewis Stevenson from Looking Glass.
joe rogan
Yeah, is he the one who wrote Alice in Wonderland?
ari shaffir
Let's just go with it.
joe rogan
It doesn't seem like Lewis Carroll though, isn't it?
ari shaffir
Yeah, Lewis Carroll.
That's who it is.
joe rogan
Lewis Carroll.
ari shaffir
Robert Louis Stevenson.
joe rogan
Multiply that times a million.
unidentified
Battleship.
joe rogan
I mean, all that stuff was, that was all psychedelic inspired, I'm sure.
All of his, I mean, wasn't it supposed to be about acid?
ari shaffir
It's supposed to be about that.
joe rogan
Yeah.
You could take enough mushrooms or you could fucking lose your mind, for sure.
ari shaffir
But that's super, super high.
No one who's listening to this is going to take that much.
brian redban
My legs did not work.
I fell to the ground.
ari shaffir
My legs don't work, he thought, as he's walking down the street.
joe rogan
My legs didn't work.
brian redban
No, I mean, I fell to the ground and I could not stand up.
joe rogan
That's not a good example for the youth of America.
brian redban
No, and I don't think that's anything that people should try unless they do a shitload of research and make sure they're safe and good age.
ari shaffir
That was 10 grams.
brian redban
What's that?
ari shaffir
That was 10 grams.
That was that?
brian redban
That was when I took a quarter and an eighth, whatever that is.
joe rogan
We're the kids in America.
unidentified
Whoa.
joe rogan
We're the kids in America.
brian redban
Whoa.
joe rogan
Everybody laugh for the music.
Oh, man.
unidentified
Na-na-na-na.
Na-na-na-na-na-na.
joe rogan
The youth of America, they deserve better than that, Brian.
You're a leader at this point.
I think you need to step up.
ari shaffir
I'll have it on here.
brian redban
Don't do it.
joe rogan
Stop having your legs fall apart, son.
brian redban
Don't do it.
joe rogan
How many grams do you think you did when you had this spectacular trip?
ari shaffir
Ten.
brian redban
Quarter and eight.
ari shaffir
That's what it comes out to.
Ten to eleven.
joe rogan
Ten to eleven grams.
brian redban
Ten to eleven grams.
joe rogan
This is crazy.
What was the most memorable part of it?
brian redban
My hand turning into pyramids, gold pyramids.
unidentified
Wow.
ari shaffir
Nice.
brian redban
When I puked, it was all colors and it turned into trees.
joe rogan
Whoa.
brian redban
And then it felt like there was trees going in my mouth and stuff.
ari shaffir
Trees going into your mouth?
brian redban
Wow.
The walls were made out of Legos and they were just falling down.
joe rogan
Wow.
brian redban
It was fucking crazy.
ari shaffir
And now what thoughts did you have while all this was going on?
joe rogan
Olive Garden.
brian redban
I ate too much.
I poisoned.
Why aren't my legs working?
I'm puking.
joe rogan
Were you paranoid?
ari shaffir
Here's what I tell freaking out.
brian redban
I wasn't really paranoid.
It was more like something.
I've never had my legs never work.
I've never had body.
Like I've shroomed a hundred times plus and I've never had it where like my body wouldn't work.
joe rogan
So you were just so bonkered out that you literally couldn't figure out how to use things.
brian redban
I guess so.
ari shaffir
Were you laughing?
brian redban
I mean I recorded myself and I talked like I was fine and I felt like I knew what was going on but it was more of like I felt like a poisoned...
joe rogan
What's like the best thing you ever learned from a trip?
Have you ever come out of a trip and had like, this is like a real solid revelation?
brian redban
I always have revelations every single time.
Like, the last one I did, which was...
I did in a shitty hotel room, and I did a whole podcast with the other girl I did it with, and it's on Death Squad, but...
What is it called?
joe rogan
How do people find it?
brian redban
It's just go there and type in...
It's on the front page of DeathSquad.tv, and it's like...
joe rogan
Right, but for now, people might be listening to this 100 years from now.
brian redban
Okay, hold on.
I'll tell you in a sec while I'm telling you.
joe rogan
I doubt it, but...
Hopefully...
They found something cooler than iPhones or iPods.
ari shaffir
What's her name?
brian redban
I did it with my friend Pamela Walt and Amy Hawthorne, and we just went to this really, really, really, really shitty hotel in a really scary place.
joe rogan
What's the name of it?
Motel 6. No, I mean the podcast.
ari shaffir
That I would advise against, by the way, is going to a place that's like a shitty environment.
brian redban
Death Squad number 18. And who were the people on it?
It's just me and Pamela Walt.
It was her first time doing Mushrooms, and she just got over having cancer in her crotch.
unidentified
Whoa!
brian redban
She's homeless.
She goes from couch to couch.
She just has had so much...
Most of her life, she had such bad social anxiety that she would never even talk to anyone.
And then recently, she started getting better with the help of actually Adderall, believe it or not.
And so now she's actually being able to function and talk to people, which is something that she...
It's like being reborn as an adult.
ari shaffir
So does she like the mushroom trope?
brian redban
She had the most fabulous, wonderful time.
She found all these things and it was just the most ideal thing ever in a shitty, shitty, shitty situation.
ari shaffir
It's amazing how the same stuff, the same batch of the same drug.
It's not like you got a bad batch.
Just some people have a good trip and every once in a while somebody has a bad trip.
joe rogan
I think a lot of it is what's going on in your head.
There's been points in times in my life where I was teetering on a bad state of mind.
brian redban
But if you listen to the thing, there was a reason I was forced into this bad situation.
Because I went from being like, alright, Right.
Right.
And then immediately started realizing like wait a second.
We don't want to be here for six hours trapped in this room I need to be a babysitter because this might be really bad That's some like fear and loathing in the middle of the desert type shit.
joe rogan
Yeah That's funny.
ari shaffir
It can be worried.
joe rogan
Dude, you should totally write about that and that should be part of your act on stage.
unidentified
That's actually kind of funny.
brian redban
I need to figure it out.
joe rogan
That's a funny idea for a bit, dude.
About getting fucked up on mushrooms in the wrong hotel.
brian redban
It was bad because every time I wanted to go have a cigarette I had to go outside and one time there was this black dude that was running really fast then he hid behind a wall and he looked out and he looked right at me and I'm like, oh shit, I saw him.
And then he started running as fast as he can.
He was I'm absolutely hiding from somebody.
ari shaffir
What neighborhood was this?
brian redban
It was in this weird place in Ventura.
It was really bad.
joe rogan
Maybe he was on mushrooms too.
brian redban
Maybe.
But I would go out and have a cigarette and I started like, I had this cell phone case that had all these little diamonds on it, kind of like these little gem cells.
Yeah, bedazzled.
Bedazzled?
And so I started like leaving them everywhere I would walk just so I would have proof if they have to find me.
I was doing breadcrumbs.
ari shaffir
Your mind can definitely wander on a bad situation where it makes it seem way worse while you're on mushrooms.
brian redban
Right.
And then there was a fire alarm outside of our door and I'm like, that's the emergency thing.
If anything happens, if we get robbed or something, I'm pulling that.
That's how scary this hotel was.
But I made myself puke, but it was too late.
joe rogan
I would think it would be so funny if you grabbed that and pulled it and it's silence.
brian redban
I know.
It just falls off and there's drugs in it.
ari shaffir
Puking happens sometimes, but you've got to do that within the first 30 minutes.
brian redban
I tried to, and it was the only time I've never...
ari shaffir
You're already tripping up 30 minutes in that hard?
brian redban
I hadn't eaten the whole day or the night before.
I actually had my finger down my throat and never have done that successfully in my whole entire life and made myself puke it up.
joe rogan
I've got to pee.
brian redban
And I started tripping.
ari shaffir
How long into this was that?
brian redban
About 30 minutes.
ari shaffir
Wait, why'd you start?
If you just started tripping afterwards, why'd you make yourself throw up?
brian redban
No, it was happening while I was puking.
ari shaffir
All that stuff where you started feeling terrible and stuff was happening as you started tripping?
brian redban
No, this is my latest trip when I tripped in a hotel room.
After I ate, I started noticing how bad this hotel was.
Like we opened up the sheets and there was like fucking mess shit in there and there was like a stain that was on each side of the sheets.
ari shaffir
Oh yeah, it was a gross hotel.
brian redban
And yeah, there was just people outside that were like, it was scary.
Like the cops came at one point and busted up this huge gang.
ari shaffir
Cops aren't good to see when you're on mushrooms.
Even though they can't tell, they don't know anything, you're still like, ugh, cops, this means weird, this means bad things.
brian redban
When Pam was checking into the hotel, somebody crashed through the office in their car.
ari shaffir
Why'd you go there?
brian redban
I didn't go there.
I met them there, and then I ran up to the room thinking, oh, this is cool.
And then right after I ate, because I was trying to catch up, because they were already eating.
ari shaffir
Wait, somebody crashed through the window with their car?
brian redban
When they checked in, somebody crashed their car into the office.
ari shaffir
So, like, the wall was broken open?
brian redban
Yeah.
joe rogan
And you're like, Dom, okay, here's my credit card information.
ari shaffir
This should be secure.
unidentified
Sounds great.
brian redban
I didn't do it.
But yeah, it was a shroom of hell.
But while she was having the same exact opposite.
So it's interesting.
We just talked for like two hours about...
ari shaffir
You can let yourself get in a bad place.
My friend took it once with a guy he's barely new and a girl he sort of liked.
And it was just one of the worst trips for him because he said he was worried about his behavior in front of certain people.
And that worrying puts you in a bad position.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's one of the things about ecstasy that's so cool.
You could do it with anybody.
ari shaffir
Oh yeah, you just feel like you like everybody.
joe rogan
Yeah, released everything.
brian redban
I still think that's the best drug in the whole entire world.
If I had to choose one drug other than weed.
joe rogan
Yeah, like I said, I loved the experience, but the comedown was fucking brutal.
ari shaffir
On ecstasy?
joe rogan
It was brutal.
I took two pills.
I don't know what the milligrams were.
brian redban
Two?
joe rogan
Yeah.
brian redban
Damn.
ari shaffir
Two's a lot.
joe rogan
Yeah.
The next day I was wrecked.
brian redban
Yeah.
ari shaffir
Those are all sort of the same milligrams, right?
They're just different.
joe rogan
I've seen a guy take nine.
brian redban
Oh my god.
unidentified
Nine.
joe rogan
I don't know.
brian redban
Yeah, those are the same people that like a long time ago when people used to do acid and they'd be like, dude, I just did 12 hits of acid.
I'm like, why?
unidentified
Why would you do that?
joe rogan
Well, there's certain dudes like James Cameron that want to go to the bottom of the ocean.
ari shaffir
See, this guy wants to just go.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
Some dudes just want to go to the bottom.
ari shaffir
I saw one of the UFCs when I was in ecstasy.
And some pop pills or something.
And it was when Clay Greer was fighting.
And I got so fucking into it.
brian redban
Is that the one where you...
ari shaffir
Yeah, I was like on the floor pounding it.
brian redban
Dude, this is hilarious.
We figured this out later, like years later.
We went to a UFC once and he was so emotional and like screaming on the floor.
And then he told me just like a couple months ago.
He goes, oh yeah, I never told you this, but I was on...
joe rogan
The best Ari UFC moment is documented.
It's when...
What the fuck is his name?
It was in Brazil.
The last one in Brazil.
ari shaffir
Oh, God.
joe rogan
When Terry Edom got wheel kicked in the head by Edson Barbosa.
Edson Barbosa cracked him with this wheel kick, and as he's going down, you and Joe Silva are right there, and you put your hands on your head like, holy shit!
ari shaffir
Yeah.
I think I put my hand over my mouth, like, oh no!
Like, that's so brutal.
joe rogan
Ari was, like, right over my right shoulder, like, where I'm sitting, like, right at the cage, and Ari's right behind me.
So if you look at, like, the animated GIFs that are on mine, you can see Ari pop up.
ari shaffir
There's a super slow motion one I saw that was, like, really cool, just happening super slow.
I'm up before he hits the ground.
joe rogan
I don't care what anybody says.
That is the greatest job I have ever figured out.
I don't know how the fuck I ever got a job working for the UFC, but that is the greatest job ever.
ari shaffir
That crowd was so crazy.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Nuts.
Brazil was insane.
To be able to be there, right there, ringside.
I've seen more than a thousand great fights like that.
It's really incredible.
In Brazil, you were right there with me on the stage.
18,000 people fucking screaming.
You've never seen a crowd like a Brazilian crowd, man.
Anybody who thinks that American crowds are loyal or nationalistic, you don't know what the fuck they're talking about.
ari shaffir
We just scream USA when some guy trains in England.
We scream USA to the other one.
joe rogan
Yeah, we scream USA, but that's about it.
In Brazil, they scream, you're going to die.
ari shaffir
You're going to die.
joe rogan
They all chant, you're going to die.
And then when Mike Pyle, Mike Pyle won his fight against this Brazilian dude.
ari shaffir
Only non-Brazilian to win.
joe rogan
Yeah, against Funch.
And when he won, the fucking whole crowd is calling him a fag.
The whole crowd.
ari shaffir
In Portuguese.
joe rogan
They're so...
ari shaffir
They kept having to turn to the translator.
Like, what are they saying?
What are they saying right now?
joe rogan
Well, she thought they were saying a different word.
It turns out she thought they were saying Sigano, which is Junior Dos Santos' nickname.
They were saying it's like Fegano or something along those lines, which is faggot.
ari shaffir
Oh, Jesus.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's unfortunate that Anderson Silva and Chael Sonnen aren't going to be fighting in Brazil.
Oh.
Apparently, we were going to do it at the giant soccer stadium.
It was going to be 80,000 people.
But there was a UN meeting that was going on there the two days before.
So there would have been no hotel rooms.
It would have been a nightmare.
Because you'd have to bring in 80,000 people from other parts of Brazil and the world who would want to come in and fly in to see that fight.
So it was way too nutty.
So they had decided to move it to another place.
ari shaffir
Because it's the biggest fight available ever.
It's just the biggest fight, and it would be in the biggest city.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ari shaffir
It would just be like, oh, God.
joe rogan
I think as far as what I've read is that they're still going to do a fight in Brazil that week, but they're locking down where that's going to be and who's going to be on that card.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
But the Anderson Silva-Chael Sonnen match is going to be in Vegas.
ari shaffir
Okay.
joe rogan
Which probably for Chael Sonnen is fucking way better, man.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
That guy, he was in danger.
ari shaffir
In danger.
unidentified
Yeah.
ari shaffir
I don't know.
That place was so goddamn beautiful, Brazil.
joe rogan
It's amazing.
What Ari and I were saying is we were up at 7 o'clock in the morning watching these kids play.
And we were like, look how great this life is.
Why don't kids in America do this?
Why isn't everybody running around and playing like this?
It looked so joyful.
There was so much fun to it.
And you knew that they probably were poor.
ari shaffir
Isn't that what America used to be?
Or at least is it still in the Midwest and stuff where just small towns where you just get up and go play with people?
I don't know, man.
joe rogan
I mean, what makes a place like Brazil?
Is it just the environment?
The environment's so beautiful.
The weather's so beautiful.
They're on the ocean.
Ocean dwelling people almost always have like a certain appreciation and respect for the ocean.
Yeah.
A little appreciation for nature.
That's why beach towns are always so calm.
There's almost like a chilled, relaxed thing.
It's like, man, you're just faced with something so impossible.
You're looking out at fucking 100 trillion gallons of water, whatever the fuck the ocean is, where it's never-ending.
You don't see the end of the water.
You know it's bigger than the entire continent that you're living on.
It's so humbling.
It's just one of those things.
You look at it, it makes you chill out.
ari shaffir
A lot of AA people, when you have to have a higher power, they make you have a higher power, but some people don't want to say God, so they can say it's like the ocean, just only more powerful than you are.
joe rogan
Ooh, I like that.
unidentified
That sounds like a Led Zeppelin song, too.
joe rogan
Joey Diaz.
brian redban
Joey Diaz, still number one on iTunes.
joe rogan
He's number one again, yeah.
Doug Benson dethroned him for a little bit.
ari shaffir
For a day, and then just back and forth.
joe rogan
Well, Doug Benson is not a comedy album, it's just a podcast.
He puts his podcasts up for sale.
ari shaffir
Oh, nice.
joe rogan
Yeah, a lot of guys do that.
There's a lot of controversy about that.
Some guys have like one a month that they'll have for sale.
ari shaffir
Yeah, if it's a big giant thing, it's like whatever.
unidentified
Yeah.
ari shaffir
Wow, so he's back there.
Joey Diaz is on my podcast this week.
brian redban
Really?
ari shaffir
On the Skeptic Tank, yeah.
unidentified
Joey Diaz is the shit.
brian redban
Is you having fun with it?
ari shaffir
Yeah, I am.
I like it.
joe rogan
Doing one a week?
ari shaffir
Yeah.
Sometimes I'll get a couple in a week or two or three in a week if I'm going to be out of town a lot.
brian redban
I'm amazed that you do it.
ari shaffir
Yeah, me too.
If we do anything like that consistently, I'm really amazed.
joe rogan
Well, how about us?
What the fuck, man?
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
I'm amazed we're doing it too.
What episode is this?
2-11 or something like that?
brian redban
2-11.
joe rogan
It's crazy.
ari shaffir
And so at any point you could just be like, I'm not going to do it anymore.
It'll just be done.
There'll be no trouble.
joe rogan
Yeah, it would be a problem, man.
ari shaffir
You're not getting fired?
joe rogan
I think at this point in time we have a commitment.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, I don't think we would be able to stop.
brian redban
Yeah, I think it's impossible.
joe rogan
There's too many people.
ari shaffir
But it's like nothing's really pushing you on.
There's nothing real there.
joe rogan
Yeah, we owe people.
ari shaffir
It's just that you desire to keep doing it.
joe rogan
We owe people.
ari shaffir
For listening.
joe rogan
They've made our life better because they like this podcast.
And I think we owe them that.
ari shaffir
People go to so many more comedy shows.
joe rogan
We're not going to stop.
ari shaffir
Dude, I think it's in general, not just with this podcast, but in general, it started this renaissance of stand-up comedy.
I go around the country and I see the clubs, the hometown clubs.
More people are out.
People have access to this art form they've never had before.
joe rogan
And there's more good guys.
ari shaffir
Yeah, and with YouTube, you can just find who your aesthetically pleasing person is.
joe rogan
Yeah.
You know, Max, Dice's kid, went up at the Ice House the other night, did great on the podcast, and went up and killed at the comedy show.
And I'm like, I just, I can't see enough of that.
I can't see enough of, like, this new generation coming out when they're good.
I can't see enough of that.
It's so inspiring.
It's beautiful.
And podcasts are allowing these kids to sort of get their stage.
I'm telling you, man, that's one of the reasons why the Atlanta show went so well.
I'm so used to talking in front of people.
ari shaffir
That's got to be a lot of it, too.
joe rogan
I wrote down that podcasting is like cross-training for stand-up.
It really is.
ari shaffir
Not full joke, but just training, thinking of stuff.
joe rogan
It's like it gets you in shape for stand-up.
brian redban
Yeah, I could never have gone up on that, just doing that whatever quick set if it wasn't for a podcast.
I would have said, fuck you and shit myself.
joe rogan
You know, Eddie Bravo's going to do some dates with us.
He's going to emcee some shows.
ari shaffir
Nice.
joe rogan
Eddie Bravo wants to go on stage.
He wants to emcee.
He wants to bring people up.
ari shaffir
Just saying, this has got it all started.
joe rogan
He goes, I might try to do a joke or two here and there.
I'm like, you can do it.
I'm like, of course you can do it.
ari shaffir
But if he doesn't want to, just like, you guys ready?
joe rogan
He wants to.
Encourage him.
Encourage him on Twitter, folks.
Because he can do it.
Eddie Bravo is one of the funniest dudes I've ever met in my life.
It's all about, for him, it would just be about focusing.
It would just be about him.
Finding, you know, whatever it is that he thinks is funny and focusing.
See, I know you're just scratching your beard, but it looks like you're totally shaking your head when you do that.
brian redban
Oh, no, no.
No, that was me.
joe rogan
But I just want to straighten that out with all the internet detective.
Brian has got an itch on his face, but you don't see that because the microphone ball's in the face?
So it totally looked like you were shaking your head.
brian redban
My beard is just crazy itchy.
That was definitely an itch.
ari shaffir
Sorry.
joe rogan
I just started going back to jiu-jitsu again.
I took three months off.
ari shaffir
Did you bulk up?
Did you get fat?
joe rogan
No, I didn't do anything.
I stayed the same weight.
I kept training.
I made sure I kept working out.
I stayed in shape.
I stayed in kettlebell shape and weightlifting shape and workout shape.
ari shaffir
That's less in jiu-jitsu shape.
joe rogan
It's not as good as jiu-jitsu shape.
Jiu-jitsu shape is harder.
I found myself struggling for the first couple of classes, but not nearly as much as I'd be if I didn't do anything.
If I didn't do anything, I wouldn't be able to do it.
I literally wouldn't.
Because one of the things that I thought about while I was working out, while I took the time off, was when I was working, I was training to go back and roll.
I knew I did not want to get tired.
I did not want to get tired.
I was doing a lot of sprints.
I was doing a lot of, especially on the elliptical, I'd do these things purely for cardio purposes.
I would do maybe 10 to 15 minutes as a warm-up at a reasonable pace.
And then I would set it fairly stiff, like level 13 or maybe 15. And then I would know.
I would blitzkrieg for 30 seconds.
Just as hard as I can do it for 30 seconds.
And then kick it back and recover for 30 seconds and then do it again.
And I did it for 20 minutes.
josh olin
So essentially 20 sprints.
joe rogan
20 mad, crazy sprints.
brian redban
When I lost all that weight, that's what I used to do on the elliptical.
I would go as hard as I could for a minute and then do like three minutes of just kind of sitting there with my heart rate really high up.
joe rogan
It's so hard, man.
It's such a great workout.
I mean, like when someone tells you you can't get a good workout on an elliptical machine, like, bitch, you're crazy.
When I'm in hotel rooms, if I'm staying in a hotel and they say, oh, all they have is an elliptical machine, I can get a fucking ferocious cardio workout in on an elliptical machine.
You just got to use it the right way.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
And the beautiful thing is you don't get injured on those.
You're not going to hurt your knees.
ari shaffir
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah, it's no impact.
It's all circular motions.
ari shaffir
I had an MRI today.
joe rogan
You did too?
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
So did Eddie Bravo.
ari shaffir
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah, Eddie's got some sort of a meniscus thing.
What happened to you?
ari shaffir
I think he said cartilage this time.
joe rogan
Cartilage?
ari shaffir
Yeah, my other knee.
joe rogan
Your other knee.
Are you playing basketball still?
ari shaffir
Mm-hmm.
No, no, now I'm not.
I can't.
joe rogan
Dude, those body weight squats, I know I showed those to you.
Those are like literally miracle workers for strengthening and tightening your knees.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
One of the best exercises I've ever had for leg endurance and for building up the muscles around your knees.
ari shaffir
Yeah, it's probably endurance.
I was just standing up.
I took my shoes off after basketball and I stood up and I just felt a pop and then flew it.
joe rogan
Well, can they fix it?
What'd they say?
ari shaffir
He's got to see exactly what it is first.
It's the same doctor to the other one.
He's really good.
No, that's the pot doctor.
joe rogan
Oh, whoops.
ari shaffir
Oh, Gettleman.
joe rogan
Gettleman, yeah.
ari shaffir
I know my doctors are my doctors.
joe rogan
Yeah, he's a real doctor.
Yeah, he worked on my knee two times.
He fixed my right knee and he fixed the meniscus in my left knee.
He fixed my left knee when everybody else had fucked it up or the other guy had fucked it up.
The other guy, he did want to scope it and he tried to stitch it up and it just never really healed.
It was always loose.
ari shaffir
It's amazing how when you think about it, you think like doctors know what they're doing, but like some doctors are bad.
joe rogan
You need doctors that work with athletes.
That's what you need.
Because one of the things that happened after I got an MRI, when I tore my meniscus, which is a really simple thing.
Meniscus is not that big of a deal.
I tore meniscus.
ari shaffir
They just scrape it out.
They scrape the rest over.
joe rogan
But the doctor is sitting there telling me I need to stop doing martial arts.
By the way, I was only 30 at the time.
And the doctor is telling me you need to stop doing martial arts.
And I'm listening to her...
And I'm going, first of all, why are you telling me?
I'm not asking you for this.
And I go, I don't see where this is that big of an issue.
And she's like, you're going to continue to injure this knee.
You're telling me that it's impossible to rehabilitate a meniscus tear and get my body to a condition where I can train again?
I call shenanigans.
unidentified
You say you'd rather not have that, but like, what?
joe rogan
Bitch, what are you talking about?
I've been stitched up together like 15 fucking times.
I know what I'm doing.
ari shaffir
Sometimes I just don't want to deal with it.
joe rogan
Well, no.
No, it was something weird.
She was being my mom thing.
brian redban
Do you think it's going to catch up like, say, 30 years from now?
joe rogan
No.
No, I have no pain, man.
See, first of all, I make sure I stretch out like crazy.
Second of all, I eat a lot of fish oil.
I take like 10,000 milligrams of fish oil a day.
I think that alone promotes healthy, strong joints.
And second of all, stretching and doing all these bodyweight exercises Really important for strengthening up the joints and tightening it.
Those bodyweight squats, you go all the way down.
Your ass touches your heel and your heel comes off the ground and you push up from there.
And when you do like hundreds of those, right at the knee is where you build all your muscle.
Like all up in here, like the cap of the quads and all around your knee.
All that builds up because it's like a really high volume.
You're doing like 200 of them.
And it really tightens and strengthens everything.
It gives you more endurance.
And it also, because the fact that your legs have done so much more work and they're stronger, you're less likely to have them buckle on you.
They're less likely to give out.
ari shaffir
It won't be all cartilage.
It will be the other muscle taking control.
joe rogan
Exactly.
A lot of the reasons why people get injured is because they don't have enough physical strength to stop the injury from taking place.
Their coordination or they're exhausted.
ari shaffir
When old people fall, they break their muscles because there's no fucking...
Exactly.
But they broke their bones because there's no muscles to guard against it.
joe rogan
That too.
Also, their bones get really fragile.
That's one of the things.
Osteoporosis.
If you're not lifting weights or taking care of your body in that way where you're adding...
It's really important, especially as you get older, to actually physically lift weights if you want to keep your bone density.
ari shaffir
Really?
Bone density?
joe rogan
Yeah, your bone density.
Yeah, it's very important.
There's old dudes, like you can go to the gym, and there was a guy named Albert Beckles.
And I believe he was in his late 50s or 60s.
Brian, Google that guy for me, please.
Albert Beckles.
And Albert Beckles, bodybuilder.
And he was really old, man.
And I went to the gym.
There was a Gold's Gym in North Hollywood, when I lived in North Hollywood.
And I used to see him training there.
ari shaffir
Like Charles Atlas?
He'd just be in there?
joe rogan
He was old as fuck, dude, and he was so old like a motherfucker.
Look at the photos of that guy.
unidentified
He's got a really nice asshole.
ari shaffir
What was the other guy's name, that old trainer?
joe rogan
Look at this photo of this guy.
See if you can get a nice big one.
ari shaffir
That's him?
He's black?
That guy?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Dude, I mean, right there, he's probably like fucking 60 years old or something.
Really?
Yeah.
And I'm not kidding.
The guy was fucking enormous.
Just don't get a picture of his bicep.
That's his bicep.
Just click on one picture so Ari can get us.
There's a good picture of him.
He's bald and old and just swole.
Look at the body on that guy.
It's ridiculous.
Fuck.
That's the only way you can do that.
Well, steroids.
But the other way is you have to lift weights in order to keep that density up at that age.
ari shaffir
That keeps your bones dense?
joe rogan
Yes.
ari shaffir
Not your muscles.
joe rogan
No, your bones.
Weightlifting, especially like real heavy weight-bearing exercises like deadlifts and squats, they contribute to thicker bone density.
ari shaffir
Wow.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's really important as you get older, especially because that's when your bones start to get brittle and fragile.
So guys like Albert Beckles, I bet that guy's like, look at that guy's body.
And he's in his 50s there, dude.
I mean, he was just an animal.
There's certain dudes like that.
Yeah.
By the way, steroids, but also intense workouts and intense training and focus.
You can't just give it all the steroids there because the guy still had to do the work.
ari shaffir
Half the steroids.
joe rogan
Yeah, if he just took steroids only, he would still never get that big.
ari shaffir
If he just lifted weights, how good would he get without them?
joe rogan
He would never be that lean either.
You have to be incredibly dedicated to get down to that level.
He's like championship bodybuilder level.
The difference between a guy like them or a guy like, say, Steve Maxwell.
Steve Maxwell is a guy who's 100% natural and he's a fitness fanatic.
And he is, I believe he's about 60 years old now.
ari shaffir
Is that Dr. Steve?
joe rogan
No, no, that's Steve Graham.
Steve Maxwell is the guy who teaches me kettlebells and that.
He comes over a couple times a year, and he will go over exercise.
ari shaffir
You powwow on body issues?
joe rogan
He comes and trains me for like three days and shows me all sorts of new shit, and I film it on my iPhone.
unidentified
Really?
joe rogan
He's a master, dude.
Steve Maxwell, you can follow him on Twitter.
I don't know.
I think it's Maxwell Strength and Conditioning, Maxwell S&C. Maxwell SC maybe?
But he's a real master when it comes to training and different things that you can do to keep your body healthy as you get young.
He has a whole series, a DVD series, all on joint mobility and how important it is to stretch as you get older.
Your range of motion, especially if you're just sitting in an office, your range of motion is going to get more and more limited because you're not doing shit.
Your body's not going anywhere.
You're just sitting there all day.
ari shaffir
So you're less able to use it.
Those yoga guys that can stretch like crazy, they always shock me.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's incredible.
It's because they keep doing it.
Most of the reasons why I'm still flexible at this age is because when I was 15 to the time I was 44, I never stopped stretching.
You just keep doing it.
If you keep doing it, you can keep it up.
But if you take off just like a few months, if you take off just a few months of training and don't work out and don't do shit for a few months, your body will turn to a sack of shit.
Like that.
ari shaffir
Do you feel that when you stopped or you kept training, you kept working out?
joe rogan
Dude, I've never stopped.
Even when I get injured, I'll stop doing certain things.
I've been in places where they say you can't do any working out.
Like after I got my nose fixed, I couldn't do anything for a full month.
ari shaffir
Because they were too afraid of mashing it.
joe rogan
Yeah, they don't want you elevating your temperature or your blood pressure rather and possibly opening up some of the sutures.
So no exercise at all for four weeks.
unidentified
So for four weeks I was like, Did you just eat pizza and commit to it?
joe rogan
No.
I just tried to eat healthy.
But I couldn't do shit in hopes that...
I didn't want this operation to be fucked up because I was without a nose to breathe out of for most of my life and I knew how terrible it was.
But then once I did it, I was in a race to get back in shape.
Terrified to stay.
Because as you get older, man, the more you get out of shape...
ari shaffir
You get the habit going real easily, too.
You just stay there.
joe rogan
Yeah, you can just become a lazy fuck.
What?
unidentified
What?
ari shaffir
You gotta do this festival next year.
joe rogan
Which festival?
ari shaffir
Moon Tower.
joe rogan
Moon Tower.
ari shaffir
The Austin one.
joe rogan
Did you just get back from that?
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
What was it?
Everybody's got a festival, man.
ari shaffir
Did they pay you?
joe rogan
Yeah.
brian redban
We're gonna have a Death Squad festival.
joe rogan
We should.
ari shaffir
Death Squad festival?
brian redban
We're gonna have music like Honey Honey.
Ask them if they want to come.
Maybe have some Everest.
joe rogan
Where should we do this?
brian redban
I think fucking Joshua Tree.
joe rogan
Really?
ari shaffir
But then people have to drive there.
No, no, no.
In a city.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Why do they have to go somewhere?
unidentified
Vegas.
joe rogan
Vegas isn't a bad idea.
Vegas is not a bad idea.
brian redban
San Francisco.
joe rogan
But Vegas, again, costs money, man.
You gotta fly in and shit.
brian redban
Texas.
ari shaffir
Just do it for locals?
brian redban
Austin, Texas.
joe rogan
Austin, Texas might not be a bad idea.
ari shaffir
Somewhere where it's warm, that's all.
brian redban
Austin, Texas is in the middle, too, so a lot of people can fucking drive there or fly there a lot easier.
joe rogan
Well, if we were going to have it, we would want to have it at a place where there would be enough hotel rooms.
Because how many people are going to come?
Let's say if we have, like, if we do a comedy show there, maybe New York.
ari shaffir
There's Chicago.
unidentified
What about Chicago?
joe rogan
New York's so expensive.
brian redban
Yeah, look at Southwest by Southwest.
We'd do it in the same area.
All those hotels.
joe rogan
Austin, right.
That's South by Southwest.
Yeah, maybe we could do it six months after when South by Southwest is there so we don't compete with them at all.
ari shaffir
I'll be there in September.
joe rogan
An Austin Death Squad Festival.
When is South by Southwest?
ari shaffir
A month ago.
joe rogan
A month ago.
So it's, what, April?
ari shaffir
What are you worried about competing with South by Southwest?
joe rogan
Well, anybody.
Oh, right.
First of all, you can't do it anywhere near them because, first of all, they're way more established.
They're going to eat up all the hotel rooms.
ari shaffir
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
I mean, if you really wanted to do...
But then you would have to, like, organize it, man.
And then you'd have to pay the bands.
Like, if you have bands performing...
You get a tour manager.
brian redban
You get a tour manager.
I don't want to do that.
Yeah, you've got to hire a tour manager.
joe rogan
We'd have to figure out who would be...
I mean, if we're going to have a Death Squad comedy festival, we'd have to be really picky about who we let go on stage, too.
Not if it's three days.
They're going to represent us.
brian redban
Not if it's three days.
We just use all the same guys we always use.
But we have like 30 people that we use all the time, just in different rotations and stuff.
We made it a big festival, and people got to plan for it.
They would want to do this.
It would be a party for us.
joe rogan
We don't have 30 people that are good enough to represent us.
brian redban
Oh hell yeah, if you start grabbing and telling these Steve Renazzis and all these Freddie Lockhart's and be like, hey, do you want to come?
joe rogan
30 though?
I don't think it's 30. I'm sure it is.
ari shaffir
Magical.
joe rogan
What do you think?
ari shaffir
A little burr?
I mean, who are you talking about?
brian redban
We're talking about Lil' Esther.
We're talking about all the guys.
And then you might even find that if it's a big enough thing that there's just people that want to hang out for a weekend, like a party style.
So you might get, like, maybe Greg Fitzsimmons would be like, hey, I want to come to this, you know, and shit like that.
joe rogan
Maybe.
He would want to get paid, as he should.
brian redban
Absolutely.
We'll make it like a festival.
ari shaffir
But then what?
You had different shows, so they'd see different people twice?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, I guess they would have to if they went to different shows.
It would have to be some people on certain shows.
God, it sounds like a lot of work.
But it would be kind of fun.
Maybe it's something we can think of.
Look, if the fucking Insane Clown Posse can pull something like that off, we could pull it off.
ari shaffir
We could have Death Squad shows at a comedy festival.
joe rogan
You know, the best way to do it, really, would be to make it super simple and start it off simple and as easy as possible.
Try it out one year and then let it build.
Then the next year move it to Vegas.
Maybe we try it in Pasadena one year.
Maybe we try it this year in Pasadena.
ari shaffir
Oh, that's what you do.
You do it here.
You don't have to pay for hotels for almost any comic.
joe rogan
Yeah.
How about that?
How about we do an ice house, continual ice house shows and we'll have like bands go up and perform at the ice house.
We'll have two shows going on at the same time at the ice house and just take over the club for like a whole week and have all of our friends come in.
ari shaffir
Promote it so hard.
joe rogan
Promote the fuck out of it.
Have all of our friends come in that we, you know, all of our friends like from out of town that we know that are great comics that maybe live in Texas.
ari shaffir
Plan to be here.
joe rogan
Yeah, plan to be here.
I'll bring in Stan Hope and pay for him and put him up in a hotel and give him the door, 100% of the door, and pump the show up and set it up so it's both profitable for guys and it looks like it's fun.
And the whole time, we podcast.
ari shaffir
Yeah, whatever they pay the door, just take that.
joe rogan
We want to have two things set up.
One, we want to have set up something so in the podcast room at the Ice House we can see the stage.
That's step one.
Step two is we're going to broadcast the podcast to all the people waiting in line.
So while the people are waiting in line, as they're going in, we'll be doing the podcast with speakers outside in that little courtyard area.
So that will be going on.
And then we'll have shows.
We'll have bands that can go up.
ari shaffir
At Lovett's, they made the bar room of Lovett's.
They just pull down a screen and they show what's going on on that big screen on stage.
joe rogan
That's not a bad idea.
ari shaffir
They show the podcast.
You can drink and just do that.
joe rogan
What bar area?
Where would you do that?
Outside?
ari shaffir
Yeah, outside.
They could do it there.
No, not the comedy store.
joe rogan
I mean, the ice house?
Yeah, you could do it outside in that little patio area.
Yeah.
ari shaffir
Everybody would go to smoke anyway.
joe rogan
Sure.
Why not?
Put a big screen up there, right?
brian redban
Dude, it almost makes you want to know if you could talk to the people that own that whole property.
Because that whole building that is owned by the same person that owns that parking lot that's right connected to it.
If we were to close that off and then make it a different stage, outside stages.
ari shaffir
Do that in the summer.
Broadcast the podcast to the parking lot.
And just pull up your own chairs.
joe rogan
You need certain permits to do that, though, because you could disturb other businesses and you would disturb the neighborhood.
brian redban
You would have to have permission with all those businesses.
joe rogan
I don't think you could do that.
ari shaffir
They have movies in the park.
joe rogan
Yeah, but that's a movie.
And it's in a park.
This isn't a park.
It's a parking lot.
And it's right next to people's businesses.
They would hear it for sure.
If Honey Honey is out there jamming, people are going to hear that.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
ari shaffir
You can't have a live band.
brian redban
There's a festival that's in Columbus, Ohio that's the whole weekend called ComFest.
What it is, it's a community festival where everybody in the community gets together and volunteers time making a festival.
A lot of my friends would sit there and be the people that sell beer the whole day and they just do it for free.
There's three different stages, four different stages, and it's just music and poetry and there's girls walking around naked.
And it's just people go there with tents and pretty much just hang out at this park the whole weekend.
And I was just like, imagine if it was something like that.
Because your fan base is so like that kind of outdoorsy mushrooms nature.
They like music and Jimi Hendrix.
joe rogan
Well, we could eventually do it someplace like that, someplace cool.
But we'd have to make sure that there's enough accommodations for all the people that were invited to come down.
It would be tricky.
And we would also have to make sure that we could safely get all the artists there and put them up in places.
That's why starting it off in Pasadena would be super easy because everyone's local.
We could have all the local guys go up.
And people that want to come here, they can come here.
It's easy to get to Pasadena.
You can come here from all over the country.
brian redban
We could set up a tent at ComFest this year.
joe rogan
What's ComFest?
I don't think we need to bring in people like that.
I think we advertise to our own people.
We advertise to everybody who follows me on Twitter and everybody who follows me on Facebook.
ari shaffir
Yeah, but you give it like eight months to a year lead-up time.
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah.
ari shaffir
Say like, this is the week you're going to want to make your hotel reservations for.
joe rogan
Dude, we could do that now and get thousands of people to come from all over the country.
I have no problem.
ari shaffir
And just a bunch of shows throughout the week.
joe rogan
Believe in that.
ari shaffir
Two shows a night, pretty much, to save the ice house.
Or if you do it in a couple locations, the ice house and somewhere else.
joe rogan
The ice house is a great place because, look, it's close to LAX. People can get there.
They can get rental cars.
They can stay.
It's not a far drive.
You've got a navigation system.
It's not hard to swing.
It's totally feasible.
And we have the best relationship with that club, as far as clubs around.
And there's two rooms there.
So we could have two rooms running simultaneously and just keep doing shows.
We could do like two and three shows at night.
We could have an early show.
We could have a bunch of different shit going on.
brian redban
Or have a music side stage and a comedy stage.
joe rogan
We just have to have mad security for nutty people.
So many nutty people have been showing up at the Ice House lately.
ari shaffir
I had a girl start screaming out she loves me during my show in La Jolla.
joe rogan
Did you just run up and shove it in her mouth?
ari shaffir
No, I thought...
joe rogan
How much do you love me, bitch?
She wouldn't let me talk.
ari shaffir
It was crazy.
And I was like, what's wrong with you?
You need to be quiet.
joe rogan
So what happened after the show?
Did you hang out with her?
ari shaffir
No, I told her she had to leave eventually.
I was like, I understand.
She was weird.
She was on something.
joe rogan
Yeah, she was on I Love Ari.
I want some Jew dick.
brian redban
That's right.
joe rogan
What's up?
ari shaffir
She was there by herself.
joe rogan
Well, how did it end?
ari shaffir
I told her she had to leave.
joe rogan
Oh, she was there by herself.
ari shaffir
It's like you were disrupting too many people.
joe rogan
There by herself is a good sign.
Good sign of crazy.
Not always.
A lot of people come by themselves that are very nice.
But occasionally, it's a sign of crazy.
ari shaffir
Sometimes.
Yeah, go anywhere by yourself.
It's like, what are you going to be up to right now?
joe rogan
Not always, you know.
Could mean you're cool.
I met some really cool people that came to shows by themselves.
Nothing wrong with it.
It's not like a hard, fast rule.
ari shaffir
Rogue-fest?
joe rogan
But if you meet a girl, though, and she comes to a show by herself, that girl's a freak.
ari shaffir
That means she's like, no, I'm just here by myself.
Just hanging out.
No responsibility.
joe rogan
So we would have to call this the Death Squad Festival or something like that.
ari shaffir
Death Fest?
brian redban
Death Fest.
joe rogan
Yeah.
We'd have to figure out what to call it.
Like the Insane Clown Posse, they call their shit the Gathering of the Juggalos.
ari shaffir
We would not call it the Gathering of the Juggalos.
joe rogan
No, we couldn't call it that.
They already have that.
ari shaffir
Oh, yeah.
Damn it.
That would be so good in order to get people to come out.
joe rogan
But Death Squad is going to give people the wrong impression.
ari shaffir
Oh, yeah.
It is.
joe rogan
Maybe we need to come up with a name for the festival.
Like a yearly name.
brian redban
Just call it Olive Garden.
joe rogan
Maybe the Happy Primate Festival.
ari shaffir
Comedy festival.
joe rogan
Happy primate comedy.
But it's not quite a comedy festival.
unidentified
There's no primate.
joe rogan
We just want to have bands, too.
ari shaffir
Oh.
And what would you get?
Just venues for the band?
joe rogan
How about a year of primate, stupid?
ari shaffir
You would get some music club in Pasadena to show those shows?
joe rogan
No, we would do those at the Ice House, too.
That would be easy to put up.
Honey, honey, they could play at the Ice House.
Easy.
I'm sure they've had bands play in that place.
ari shaffir
We've got to have the drums off the stage.
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah.
There's not much room.
Yeah.
I don't know how they would do that.
How much room is there?
Do you think there's room for a drum set?
ari shaffir
No, not on the stage.
Absolutely not.
No way.
joe rogan
No?
ari shaffir
No, absolutely not.
They would take up the entire stage.
joe rogan
They don't have to use drums, though.
Some of their best things they do is just him and her.
Him playing guitar and her playing banjo and violin.
ari shaffir
They can do an acoustic set.
joe rogan
Yeah.
That's better anyway, man.
The acoustic shit they did on my podcast was brilliant.
ari shaffir
Yeah, do like 15 or 20 minutes at the end or 30 minutes or 40 minutes.
joe rogan
She has a real voice, man.
That chick has a real voice.
That's a legitimate voice.
She doesn't need any effects or any fakery.
She really can sing.
ari shaffir
I would do a storyteller show.
Get Kreischer and Diaz to do it.
joe rogan
Yeah, we could do that too.
Sure.
Yeah, that could be a part of it.
Absolutely.
That's a good idea.
ari shaffir
Do you want different themes or different situations for that?
joe rogan
Yeah.
And you know what?
We should also do...
ari shaffir
How about a show where just...
Let's ask topics.
joe rogan
That's exactly what I was about to say.
Question and answer.
We should do an entire show.
We did a little bit of it at the end of the show in Atlanta, but it was more like mocking people for their stupid questions and more moon landing hoax conspiracy talk.
ari shaffir
I want to hear it from his own mouth.
joe rogan
This guy goes, well, I do know that we went to the moon.
I'm like, you don't know.
unidentified
Stop it!
ari shaffir
I love just saying that.
Well, I do know.
You're just saying it loud.
joe rogan
I'm pretty sure we went.
What does that mean, silly?
1969. You know what happened.
ari shaffir
No matter what the argument, well, I just know.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ari shaffir
So you're just saying you're just done talking then.
joe rogan
No one knows.
I mean, we can kind of assume most likely that happened.
I'm pretty sure Kennedy got shot in the head.
I'm 99% positive.
But I wouldn't even say I'm 100% positive for that.
ari shaffir
Who knows?
unidentified
Who the fuck knows this goddamn dark world we have.
ari shaffir
People take that argument too far sometimes.
I'm like, well, how do you even know there was a candidate?
joe rogan
How do you even know that this world is real?
unidentified
How do we not know that you are not living in a computer simulation?
joe rogan
By the way, I thought that was really hilarious.
I saw a video of you explaining to people how to download the Bone Zone, and you did it as a handicapped person.
ari shaffir
As a handicapped person?
No, it's because I... So many people don't know how to do it?
joe rogan
One, Brendan Walsh was complaining that people were having a hard time finding his podcast.
brian redban
Pretty much, I showed Brendan how to do it and he made a big deal about it on another podcast.
I was just like, ugh.
Come on.
Here, let me do it real slow again for you.
ari shaffir
To show people how to...
brian redban
Download.
ari shaffir
Just that?
brian redban
Yeah.
ari shaffir
Or just...
joe rogan
Well, I think he wants it to be under his name.
Is that what it is?
unidentified
No, he's just like, people said that they can't search Bone Zone and it comes up on iTunes.
brian redban
And so I was like, well, let me show you how to do it.
ari shaffir
Wait, but you can't show the people.
It's the people searching.
That's who you have to convince.
It's not brand new.
joe rogan
How many people that are in your little network get upset that you have the network as the name of their show and then their show next instead of the way everybody else has it?
brian redban
I think out of, let's say, if there was 100,000 people, I think I hear it maybe two times on Twitter.
joe rogan
No, no, no, no.
I'm talking about the people that actually host their shows.
How many of them want to change it to their own name?
They must.
ari shaffir
All of them.
brian redban
No, I don't think so.
joe rogan
All of them, right?
brian redban
No.
No, I would say none of them.
joe rogan
What?
brian redban
Right now.
joe rogan
Come on.
Brandon Walsh doesn't want it to be in his name and then have you as the network second?
brian redban
No.
I mean, look what happened to Freddie Lockhart.
When Freddie Lockhart did it, he got lost, and so he came back.
joe rogan
No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
First of all, Freddie didn't, he left you.
He stopped doing it.
And when he left you, it wasn't that he was, you know, that he went under his name, and that's why people couldn't find him.
It's like he really, nobody gave a shit about it anymore.
unidentified
You said you were going to find a way to have people come with their own podcast.
No, no, that's not what you're saying.
brian redban
No, Freddie left because he wanted to do it on his own.
And then what I'm saying is that when he did that, no one could find his podcast anymore because no one was listening to it anymore.
joe rogan
Well, that's because, you know, that's only because Freddie had not...
brian redban
And he said, dude...
joe rogan
He had not publicized it well.
He didn't do a good job of that.
brian redban
Dude, we talked about it on this podcast.
ari shaffir
We didn't know where to go.
brian redban
We talked about it on podcasts.
We tweeted it.
I even retweeted him.
Tons of times.
ari shaffir
No, it is an extra step.
unidentified
That's not enough.
joe rogan
That's not enough.
You consider the numbers of people that are listening to yours, but in order for him to have it go off on his own, think about that.
He was doing yours for so long, and it still hadn't developed a name where he could go on on his own.
brian redban
That was the number one podcast on Death Squad.
unidentified
When it left, it went to 170. But you know...
So what?
joe rogan
Do you not understand what I'm saying?
brian redban
No.
joe rogan
What I'm saying is, all the time he's doing it with you, still hadn't gotten independent.
He was still attached to your name.
So it's almost like he wasted time doing a good podcast under your name and never got his name out there.
So when his name got out there on its own, it flopped because no one knew about it.
So he had been doing all this podcasting and spending all this time developing this sort of bunch of fans to follow him, and he couldn't take it with him.
Whereas if he just did it on his own, whatever he built up would have been his own.
It would have stuck with him.
ari shaffir
They had their own name on Death Squad.
joe rogan
Does that make sense?
brian redban
Do you know how many podcasts that there's comics out there that you've never heard of in your life?
Did you know Mark Ellis had two podcasts?
joe rogan
Yeah, but Mark Ellis is not a famous comedian.
You know, Freddie Lockhart, first of all, was on a television show, and he's been on our podcast many, many times, and, you know, Mark Ellis...
ari shaffir
No, but it still would be nice if people could search for his name.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Well, they can.
They can search for his name.
The real thing is, like, the question is, do you do it the way Adam Carolla does it, where he has, you know, like, someone's, whatever the, like, Penn Sunday School, and then underneath that, it says Ace Broadcasting.
unidentified
Oh, right.
joe rogan
he has it in a secondary position and he allows the the person's name of their podcast that's first yeah and he's just the production arm of it so you can build up that name yeah whereas brian the way brian does it is he has a channel and you know it's the death squad channel and then everybody else's podcast is sort of secondary to that it's the exact opposite it's collecting it it builds up the network it builds up the network as a whole instead of building up each individual as an entity on their own an individual Everyone helps each other.
brian redban
If you're a big Sam Tripoli fan, you start listening to Sam Tripoli, you're going to start listening to Brennan Walsh and vice versa.
There's so many people that never knew who Brennan Walsh was until they just were like, well, I like Freddie Lockhart.
I'm going to start listening to Brennan Walsh now because they're on the same network.
joe rogan
Well, that's also the case of what people didn't know about until they came onto this podcast.
ari shaffir
Yeah, but that's the same reason.
There would be people who were like, oh, I don't like, let's just say, Brendan Walsh's podcast, so they get annoyed and don't listen to the same Tripoli podcast.
brian redban
Here's an example.
ari shaffir
They get turned off by the stuff they're not into, and they're like, how much of this do I have to sit through before I do the stuff I do like?
brian redban
Well, you don't listen to it.
Do you have to listen to every single one?
ari shaffir
No, but you're just less likely to see it.
brian redban
What?
ari shaffir
You're less likely to see it.
If there's six things that are there and you're only into one of them, it's just like you're less likely to check in to see when there's updates.
joe rogan
Well, my only thought is that someone, if they're developing their own shit on their own, if they're doing their own show on their own, and they start, like Doug Loves Movies.
Started out on his own, kept it on his own, and at this point in time...
ari shaffir
He does live shows that Doug Loves Movies and people come.
joe rogan
Yeah, he has equity that he's built up in that name and doing it on his own.
And for a lot of these other guys, they're building equity into the Death Squad name.
It's not...
That's not true.
brian redban
Look at Ari Shafir.
Look at Tom Segura.
There's ways that you can do it right.
They're lucky.
People like their show and they're listening to it.
Ari is doing good on his podcast and so is Tom Segura.
joe rogan
So what are you trying to say?
brian redban
I'm just saying...
joe rogan
They're independent.
They left.
brian redban
I know.
That's what I'm saying.
I'm just saying that...
I don't think that it works for everyone.
And I think if Sam Tripoli wanted to move off a death squad, he can totally do it, and he would probably survive.
But I don't think that it's...
ari shaffir
It'd be nice if there's a way to stay on death squad, but also have their own picture for their podcast or something, so you can see it's their picture.
joe rogan
That's all we're talking about.
You actually made a bad example, because the reason why Ari...
And Duncan, well Duncan especially, he did it completely independently on his own.
But what got them famous was being on a podcast that was famous, this one.
That's what got them.
That's 100% what made it happen.
ari shaffir
Somebody asked me that this week.
joe rogan
It's not being on the desk one.
ari shaffir
They're like, how many of your listeners, Ari, do you think are not...
I'm fans of Joe Rogan.
I was like, oh, maybe like 1%, maybe?
2%?
That's how a lot of people found me.
I don't mind it.
joe rogan
Which is fine.
Look, we're all sort of different but like-minded folks.
ari shaffir
People apologize.
They're like, I'm sorry, I didn't even know you did stand up.
I didn't want to even see you before I heard it in the podcast.
I'm like, I don't care.
That means you're here because of that?
That's awesome.
brian redban
The biggest thing I want to stress, though, is the reason why it's done as a group is also looking past what podcasts.
I don't really think that...
ari shaffir
Power through numbers.
brian redban
That in 20 years, podcasts are going to be fucking kicking ass or anything.
But one thing I do know that's coming up is the basic future of cable television and networks and stuff are going to more of a streaming-based, a download-based system like Netflix or iTunes.
That is true.
There's not going to be an NBC in 10 years.
joe rogan
That would happen independently of whether or not you made your show the first name or their show the first name.
brian redban
Well, anyways, what I was saying is DeathSquad.TV to me is like, I'm kind of considering it more like a...
This is a channel.
This is more than just you're listening to a podcast at your house.
This is like a TV show network where each one of these shows are like...
It's like being on DeathSquad.TV, but it's like being on MTV. And each one of these things underneath it is a show.
And so one of the biggest things with all the people saying, you know, like, I want it to be separated into all the different things on iTunes and all that stuff...
If you don't want to just go to desklaw.tv and download what you want to listen to, we're making these show pages right now where, as an example, if you like the naughty show, it's going to have all the naughty shows and it's going to have an RSS feed, which you can do right now in any browser.
If you open up your browser and pick a search string of any kind, you can make an RSS feed.
joe rogan
Stop it.
No one's doing that.
ari shaffir
Yeah, no one's making RSS feeds.
brian redban
Well, anyways, I'm just saying that you can do it.
If you're freaking out about RSS feeds, you probably can easily cut and paste an RSS string.
ari shaffir
No, most people don't know what that is.
joe rogan
Who's freaking out about RSS feeds?
brian redban
Exactly, the 1%.
So anyways, but each one of these pages, like the Naughty Show page and stuff like that, will have all the individual shows for each person, and it's going to have, each host is going to have a PayPal A show donation.
joe rogan
How many of your network shows are you actually in?
brian redban
Every single one of them.
ari shaffir
Every one of them.
joe rogan
So that's another thing.
brian redban
I produce them all.
The only ones I don't do is when, like, say, Brian Count or somebody's doing one in their hotel room.
joe rogan
Doesn't that drive you crazy to be in all those different podcasts?
I mean, your brain must be scattered.
brian redban
No, because it's quality control for everything.
I mean, there's shows like I love Esther to death, but if I wasn't there and just put it up, I would be mad at myself for fucking letting you listen to it, and vice versa.
Sometimes there's a quality that all these people get where when Ari was on Death Squad, he sent me one file once, and it was like one person was really loud, one person was super, super quiet, and you couldn't hear it.
And I know Ari was angry at me for not wanting to put that up.
ari shaffir
No, I was angry at you for saying, we're not putting it up before you let me listen to it.
That's all it was.
I was like, let me hear it.
I'll make my decision.
brian redban
Right.
ari shaffir
And he kept saying, no, we're not doing it.
brian redban
I couldn't put it up because, honestly, I sat there for two hours trying to fix it to make it so it would be acceptable, and it wasn't.
joe rogan
No, that totally makes sense.
brian redban
I mean, because a lot of people don't know that, yeah, I'm on these podcasts because I'm fucking producing them.
ari shaffir
I told Callan, because after he told me his stuff was the same way, it wasn't coming through, I was like, you know you have to get microphones and cords for that, right?
And he goes, no, I didn't know that.
I was like, yeah, you've got to get microphones and cords.
I told him where to get it.
I'm like, those will be better from now on.
joe rogan
The only problem that I have is that we use the name DeskWad for all of us.
And if you've got a network that's DeskWad...
ari shaffir
And then anyone that's on there, it becomes one of those people.
joe rogan
Not necessarily.
The real desk squad way to do it is to do Joey's podcast, Ari's podcast, Duncan's podcast, to put it on a page somewhere.
Brian, why are you defensive right now?
No one's saying anything bad.
unidentified
Because that makes no sense at all.
joe rogan
No, it makes a lot of sense.
What I'm saying is...
unidentified
It feels like it's being attacked.
joe rogan
Exactly.
brian redban
And people on the internet think you're doing the same thing.
Because what it is...
joe rogan
You think I'm doing the same thing what?
brian redban
Because what I'm doing is you're pretty much saying the real reason to do a podcast network, like I'm not doing a real way to do it.
Just because I'm using the word Death Squad.
joe rogan
I'm saying the right way to call it Death Squad, it should not just be the shows that you're in.
It should be all of us.
brian redban
Death Squad is a bunch of friends, right?
All these people that I'm doing, all these shows have been on the road with you.
Sam Tripoli has been on the road with you, right?
Freddie Locker...
joe rogan
You're not doing people that have been on the road with me.
That's not what you're doing.
You've got a bunch of people that don't even know who these people are.
brian redban
I'm talking about the host of the show, Brandon Walsh.
She used to take Brandon Walsh on the road, right?
joe rogan
Some of them, Brian.
brian redban
So you wouldn't consider him being in the Death Squad?
joe rogan
Brian, some of them.
Some of them.
Some of them not.
You know that.
ari shaffir
Jaden James?
joe rogan
Yeah, come on.
All that shit.
There's a bunch of them.
I don't want to name names.
I don't want to criticize anybody.
brian redban
I know, but every person that's a guest on the show, I wouldn't consider him being on the Death Squad.
Would you?
joe rogan
What?
brian redban
Like if you have a person that's on your show as a guest.
joe rogan
There's a big difference between having someone as a guest and having someone who you're doing a show with them.
And then you're calling it Death Squad and you're putting it on a network.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
You essentially have taken over that name and used it for your own stuff.
brian redban
It's your own network.
I'm not Death Squad.
joe rogan
You're on every one of them.
brian redban
I'm not Death Squad.
All of us are Death Squad.
joe rogan
But you're on every one of them.
brian redban
Because I produce every single show on that Death Squad, yes.
joe rogan
But do you not see that that is like you?
brian redban
Joe, 90% of the shows, I probably talk about 10% of the time.
No, I know you don't.
It's more of the same thing if you listen to Howard Stern, if you listen to any of the shows that have producers like E-Rock or anything like that.
That's a normal thing, Joe.
joe rogan
Dude, I'm not saying there's anything wrong with what you're doing.
I'm not saying that at all.
I'm not criticizing you.
I'm just saying that to call it the Death Squad is kind of weird because the Death Squad is supposed to be all of us and most of the people that are in the Death Squad aren't on the Death Squad.tv site.
brian redban
Okay, so if one of you other guys did something with the Death Squad name, then go for it.
I was the first one.
I was like, hey, I'm just going to make a collection of shows and call it Death Squad because Opie said it one time and it was funny.
joe rogan
Yeah, but it's not the people.
Do you not feel this at all?
brian redban
You mean Death Squad's a little different to you.
You feel it's like the four people that was in the room.
joe rogan
No, I do not.
I feel it's family.
It's all the people that we're family with.
There's a lot of people that you podcast with that you're not family with.
ari shaffir
They asked me, we're going to do this.
Hold on.
joe rogan
That girl's nice.
Ryan Keely, she's a very nice girl.
Dan D'Orman, very nice girl.
Those people aren't your family.
ari shaffir
We were going to do the show.
brian redban
They're friends of mine.
They're friends with you.
joe rogan
Okay, then they're family.
brian redban
You don't think Dana's a friend?
joe rogan
She's a nice girl.
She's not my family.
brian redban
You've had her on this podcast.
joe rogan
I have.
What is the question?
Brian, there's a lot of people we've had on this podcast.
brian redban
But you're acting like this is like a treehouse and you're like, you're not allowed in this treehouse.
joe rogan
No, that's not what I'm saying.
I'm saying you're calling it Desquad when Desquad is us.
Desquad is us as friends.
unidentified
Who?
Who is us?
joe rogan
Tagging all the people that were hanging out together in that group.
brian redban
There was not the whole Desquad at that group.
joe rogan
Joey Diaz, Eddie Bravo.
brian redban
Joey Diaz was not there when Opie called us Desquad.
So you're saying Joey Diaz?
joe rogan
Is Joey Diaz not one of my best friends?
Is Joey Diaz not constantly on the road with us?
Is Joey Diaz not the one who uses it more than anybody?
He was the one who actually started calling everybody Death Squad.
He was the one who ran with it.
Because he thought it was hilarious.
brian redban
There's obviously some heat here then because you're really having a problem with me using the name Death Squad.
joe rogan
I'm not having a problem at all.
I'm just saying it would be nice if...
brian redban
We were all at a radio station and both he called us something.
And we were all talking about it, and I just happened to start calling something Death Squad.
unidentified
It doesn't mean that I'm like, no, he was talking about me, and it's all me, and I'm Death Squad, and that's what I mean.
brian redban
I'm just saying that I used a term that we all use, and I bought a domain and started doing a podcast for it.
joe rogan
You started doing a podcast and started calling the shows Death Squad.
So you've essentially hijacked the name.
You've taken the name for your own network.
unidentified
What name?
joe rogan
That name, Desquad.
You've taken it for your own network.
unidentified
The name that you used to do those little videos.
joe rogan
I'm not saying you aren't.
I'm just saying if it really was Desquad, you would have Ari on that page.
You'd have big links to all the people that you're not profiting from as well.
brian redban
If I created a podcast network and called it Powerful, are you saying that I wouldn't be allowed to do that?
joe rogan
It's a big difference between a whole group of people that call themselves Desquad.
We've been calling ourselves Death Squad for like almost a decade.
And then all of a sudden a podcast comes along and you call this podcast Death Squad.
unidentified
I bought that domain in 2007. What does that mean, Brian?
What does that mean?
joe rogan
Just because you bought the domain.
Didn't we call ourselves that before you bought the domain?
brian redban
Yeah.
We call ourselves a lot of things.
But does that mean I'm not allowed to say, hey, I'm going to use that as a name for a podcast network about all you guys?
joe rogan
I can't even believe that you don't see another side of this.
unidentified
I can't believe that you don't see a little bit of a side of this.
I see what you're saying, but it's kind of funny that I've been doing it since 2007 and now you're just making it All I've said ever is that it should be, all of us included, the guys that aren't in a podcast network with you that you don't profit from.
ari shaffir
Hold on, listen for a second.
He's not saying you've done anything specifically wrong.
You knew I was going to say that?
unidentified
Brian, let him talk.
joe rogan
Let him talk.
ari shaffir
He's not saying you've done anything specifically wrong.
He's saying, wouldn't it be nice to have built a page or in the future to build a page to include the people in that group to begin with?
joe rogan
If you're going to call something Death Squad, it should be all of us.
It should be Joey Diaz.
It should be Duncan.
It should be people that have never been in the podcast.
brian redban
There we go right there.
Who gets to choose who's on it?
unidentified
How about me?
joe rogan
How about I'll choose?
brian redban
Yeah, but why?
unidentified
Why are you considered Death Squad?
ari shaffir
I'll tell you this.
brian redban
Why would I be considered Death Squad?
joe rogan
How about because I'm going to treat it fairly?
How about because I'm going to let in people that are actually...
Tell me how I'm not.
brian redban
Because there's somebody that you might want on there that I might not want on there and there might be somebody that already wants on there.
joe rogan
You don't think Duncan deserves to be in because you and him are having an argument?
You don't think that Duncan deserves to be a part of the Death Squad?
ari shaffir
What is your argument?
You were trying to tell me before, but I don't like any arguments when you were...
joe rogan
The argument comes from Duncan getting upset at Brian when we were in Atlanta, saying that Brian doesn't pay the comedians when he charges money for the shows at the Ice House, and that he should.
ari shaffir
Yeah, you should pay them.
brian redban
But yeah, I do, and he just doesn't.
joe rogan
No, you only paid the MCs.
brian redban
That's not true.
Okay.
Okay, again, Joe.
ari shaffir
You should pay me.
brian redban
Now, are you going to throw me under the bus, too?
Because you have no idea who I pay, right?
joe rogan
Okay, if you started paying people recently, this is a different thing.
brian redban
I'm turning off.
joe rogan
Don't turn off, bro.
brian redban
You can't do this.
I'm not getting into this again.
joe rogan
Don't raise your voice and don't get crazy.
Listen, I am not agreeing.
First of all, let me explain that Duncan shouldn't have done what he did.
brian redban
Live on a podcast.
He threw me under a bus.
joe rogan
He cornered Brian.
brian redban
And he also called me drunk, even though I had a beer and a Red Bull.
ari shaffir
Drunk is not an insult.
brian redban
So he's also just fucking sitting there.
joe rogan
He wasn't correct.
He was trying to diminish it.
brian redban
He was trying to attack me.
ari shaffir
I got it.
joe rogan
The whole thing was disgusting.
brian redban
The problem what I have and what he was getting at is we were talking about Southwest by Southwest, right?
ari shaffir
Southwest by Southwest.
brian redban
He does this video where it says that Southwest by Southwest makes a shitload of money, whatever it's called, and they don't pay people to come out there because he was offered to come out there and he didn't get paid.
And so what I had brought up is that I had been hearing that it really, it's all about the venues.
Like Southwest by Southwest is like a blanket name, kind of like a death squad.
And it's into each of the venues that if they want you to come out and play their bar, that they might pay you.
But Southwest doesn't do anything except promote it as a big party.
They do advertising and promotions and stuff like that.
ari shaffir
And then what a duck can do.
brian redban
Duncan made a video saying that they don't pay anyone and they steal from comics.
So what happened is I was talking and I was explaining like, hey, I heard this and he goes, you're drunk.
joe rogan
And I'm like, oh, okay, this is not, you're really paraphrasing.
brian redban
Obviously, obviously, obviously.
So what then it turned into that he said on a podcast, you steal from comics.
And I was like, what the fuck are you talking about?
He goes, you steal from comedy.
You don't pay your comics.
I'm like, well, Duncan, one, why do you think I don't pay my comics?
I do pay the MC or the host, usually which is like Tony Hinchcliffe or Will.
I give them 40 to 60 bucks.
And then I pay, usually if there's any people like Little Esther or anyone that I know that is like fucking, you know, like they don't even have gas money to get there, I'll throw them 20 to 40 bucks sometime.
And like as an example, this last one, I gave, you know, Little Esther money, I gave Mark Ellis some cash and, you know, I spread it out.
ari shaffir
I'll tell you this.
People have been grumbling.
You've got to share that cash with people.
joe rogan
What have people been saying?
ari shaffir
I'm driving out there.
There's a cover charge.
How am I not getting paid?
joe rogan
Who's saying this?
You don't want to say names.
ari shaffir
People are saying it.
brian redban
People are pissed.
Here's a couple reasons why.
One, because I don't get paid until the following week.
Anything I pay for that night is I have to go to an ATM, I have to take out money, and I have to fucking go, alright, how much money did I make?
Did this sell out?
ari shaffir
You don't get paid until when?
brian redban
The following week, usually.
ari shaffir
Oh.
brian redban
And so then I have to figure out how much money did I kind of make?
Did it sell out?
ari shaffir
You just asked them right there at the door.
How much money did we bring in?
brian redban
I could do that if I wasn't doing a live podcast at the same time.
But anyways, then I get taxed on all that.
So everything I make there, which is not even the door.
I don't get the full door.
I get like 60% of the door or something like that.
Then I get taxed on it.
So that pretty much cuts in half.
So what my average usually is, is about $200 to $300 I make on a show.
I usually spend about $100 giving it to Miss Elaine's comics to $150.
And the other $150 to me is like, okay, now I could either not do the show or make $150 for booking a show, advertising a show, and producing all that show.
ari shaffir
Wait, it's $15 a ticket times $80?
brian redban
It's usually $15 when Joe does it and $10 when I do it.
But I give out so many free tickets that it's usually paper.
ari shaffir
Not when Joe does it.
brian redban
I give it out when Joe does it, too.
ari shaffir
Why?
joe rogan
You don't have to.
brian redban
I don't have to, usually.
unidentified
But usually, yeah.
joe rogan
That's not giving away free tickets.
ari shaffir
This is what the comedy store does that I like.
They split the main room, just the one show, but it's nice.
The main room, half goes to the comedy store, half goes to the comedians.
joe rogan
Let me say something.
Here's how you avoid all this.
brian redban
Don't actually do the show at all.
joe rogan
That's what I want to do.
This is how you avoid all this forever.
Be infallibly generous.
Be generous to the point where they can't infallibly.
Do it to the point where they can't argue against it.
Be generous to the point where you're not saying, you know, I'm going to make $150 because I feel like I deserve it.
brian redban
No, no, no, you know what I want to do?
You're right.
You know what that makes me want to do?
Not do it at all.
I don't give a fuck.
joe rogan
Okay, but Brian, that's a very defensive stance, especially when you're talking to me.
And the reason that people are going to the show is because I'm headlining and I'm promoting it on my Twitter.
Obviously, it's not a bad thing, man.
Look, you should make some money.
You should make some money.
brian redban
You know what?
I don't do it for money.
I don't want anything to do it for money, but I also don't want to do anything like that for free because I consider that work.
joe rogan
Then you're doing it for money.
If you don't want to do it for free, then you're doing it for money.
You should be paid...
brian redban
I can't do it.
joe rogan
Then, okay, man, listen, you're sounding like a little kid.
This is craziness, because I'm not being mad at you at all.
brian redban
No, but people are attacking me on podcasts.
joe rogan
No one here is attacking you, bro.
You and I are friends.
We're like brothers, okay?
Ari's like a brother.
We're all here together.
We're trying to talk, but you're, like, really trigger-strung.
And one of the reasons is because you feel like they're attacking you for this choice, and you're trying to defend this choice.
brian redban
I am.
joe rogan
What I'm saying is the only reason why they even can attack you is because there is a point of view that they're expressing that may be valid.
ari shaffir
It's the same as South by Southwest where their version is this, like, well, you should want to be here.
It's a really fun time.
And you're like, yeah, I do want to be there.
But it would also be nice if the money you're collecting for these shows in Austin would come to some of us who are doing the shows for you.
joe rogan
There's good in having those shows there.
I think it's good for the comedy club.
I think it's good for the...
First of all, the comedians should be getting paid directly to the comedy club so you don't have to fuck them.
ari shaffir
You can easily do that.
joe rogan
You should.
That's easy.
brian redban
Well, that's what I'll plan on doing.
See, honestly, to me in the past...
unidentified
You can easily do that.
ari shaffir
Have them take each of their checks.
brian redban
To me in the past, honestly, it was more like, you know what?
This isn't how it should be, but right now I'm too busy to fucking sit down, renegotiate this thing that we started a long time ago.
joe rogan
Okay, well, that's honest.
That's very honest of you.
brian redban
And I never did not...
I've never...
I'm not paid anyone on a show, meaning there was never a show where I didn't pay anybody.
joe rogan
Sometimes, Brian, when you get really mad at something, it's because people are right.
And it doesn't mean that you're a bad person.
It means they might have a point and you need to stand back.
brian redban
This is the reason why I'm pissed off at this, or we're originally pissed off at it.
Because I first heard of one of the first things I did was Duncan did this and I did it on a live podcast.
joe rogan
He blindsided you.
brian redban
He blindsided me.
And while, if you went to deathsquad.tv, there was a huge fucking link that I did out of the unkindness of my heart.
He didn't ask me to.
unidentified
No, no, no.
ari shaffir
But don't, don't.
brian redban
To buy his poster.
ari shaffir
Okay, hold on.
You have this tendency during an argument to bring up something else you've done nice for a person to then And somehow mean, so how dare you bring up this A argument when I've done B and C for you?
brian redban
We have three minutes.
joe rogan
He's got a very good point.
brian redban
The only reason I would say that is because in the past I've done a lot for this guy.
And instead of just talking to me and going, hey, why don't you do this or that?
And I could explain this whole thing I just did to you.
And he'd be like, oh, that kind of makes sense.
ari shaffir
Well, we have three minutes.
brian redban
We have to end this.
joe rogan
No, no, no.
Listen, we're going to end this part.
We're going to come back and wrap this up because this is too ridiculous.
We'll have a little part one and a part two.
So let's stop this portion of it and we'll come back with a very informal five minutes.
We'll take a little break and we'll come right back.
But we need to relax and calm this down because this is really getting crazy.
ari shaffir
Smoking a J will help that.
joe rogan
I like the way you think.
So let's pause it right now.
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