March 12, 2012 - The Joe Rogan Experience
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| Shazam, bitches. | ||
| Yes, we're back. | ||
| Four days in a row this week. | ||
| That's how crazy we're living out here on the West Coast. | ||
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Holla! | |
| See, I just made it to East Coast, West Coast things. | ||
| The Joe Rogan Experience Podcast is brought to you by the Fleshlight. | ||
| There's no different way to do this. | ||
| I've done it every possible way. | ||
| I'm just going to say it. | ||
| What is the Fleshlight, Joe? | ||
| Have you used your Fleshlight lately? | ||
| No, I have not. | ||
| I actually reused it yesterday. | ||
| Really? | ||
| I was watching my girlfriend on camera fucking another girl, and I used my flashlight when I watched it. | ||
| You got a little personal with the whole rest of the world right there. | ||
| There's a lot of people that they're not comfortable with someone that they think is their friend, like little Brian Redband. | ||
| Telling them about fucking and watching things. | ||
| Have you ever done one of those webcam shows? | ||
| You're like a moral degenerate. | ||
| You're bad for society. | ||
| Have you ever seen one of those webcam shows? | ||
| Yes, I have. | ||
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It's pretty cool. | |
| Somebody sent me to a link the other day that was, he goes, what the fuck, the mother load? | ||
| And I go to the link and it's some crazy cam site where it's all girls that are topless and are like playing with themselves. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And it's all free. | ||
| Yeah, it's weird. | ||
| The one I use is Stream8. | ||
| And you can go to and just have a conversation for the girl while she's sitting there topless. | ||
| And then she's like, you want to go in a private room for $10? | ||
| And then you do whatever you want to in the private room. | ||
| This was all virtual? | ||
| Yeah, this is like webcams and stuff. | ||
| But there were so many old ladies and fetishes that it was just creepy to look at an old lady. | ||
| There was an old lady that was maybe 75 years old. | ||
| I want to hear about this. | ||
| I want to hear about this, but let's get through these stupid commercials, because that sounds too good to just be relegated. | ||
| The adult industry has always been pioneers of new technology, whether it was like home video, you know, and then like on the internet. | ||
| I mean, they've always been the first. | ||
| And when we have virtual reality, I bet virtual sex will be pioneering it. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Alright, we're going to get to that. | ||
| We're going to get to that. | ||
| But let's get this out of the way. | ||
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| I didn't take one this morning, so let's see if I stumble. | ||
| If I stumble through my words today. | ||
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| You took all mine. | ||
| Dude, I gave you some. | ||
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| And what nootropics are, they're vitamins that are designed to enhance the function of your mind, the way your thinking works. | ||
| And they work. | ||
| They work. | ||
| They're only going to get better. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Do you try stuff? | ||
| What do you do? | ||
| I have not, but David Pierce who wrote the Hedonistic Imperative talks about how nanotechnology eventually is going to be used to design vaster and more broader versions of human intelligence. | ||
| I'm sort of all about Tinkering with ourselves in order to sort of improve ourselves. | ||
| Oh yeah, for sure. | ||
| Where the ultimate art project is us, right? | ||
| So it's kind of like, why not? | ||
| I've got to get you some of this just to see if you like it. | ||
| I have some people that I've gotten that are completely addicted to it. | ||
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All right, bitches, Jason Silva's back! | |
| He's slinging Experience Train by day Joe Rogan podcast by night All day Jason Silva come back to sling more cosmic dick Ha ha ha ha ha ha You said we're cosmic revolutionaries. | ||
| I say you're a cosmic dick swinger. | ||
| How about that? | ||
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Wow. | |
| Well, thank you for having me back, dude. | ||
| Oh, please. | ||
| It was so fun. | ||
| Thanks, man. | ||
| It was so fun. | ||
| I had a great time, too. | ||
| Just a shout-out to all these amazingly engaged listeners and followers, dude. | ||
| The response was so positive and so... | ||
| Yeah, we have a really super positive group of people that follow the show, and it sounds ridiculous. | ||
| How do you do that? | ||
| I mean, how does that ever happen? | ||
| I don't know, but I'm so honored. | ||
| Maybe it's because of your authenticity, man. | ||
| Well, I'm honored, if that's what it is. | ||
| Whatever it is, I'm honored. | ||
| It comes across, man. | ||
| When we go to clubs, that's the thing that the waitresses are always saying, that our crowds are so nice and that they tip really well. | ||
| It just makes you feel so good. | ||
| It's like the biggest feeling of accomplishment that I've ever had is... | ||
| Someone who listened to the show once and said, your show makes me want to try to be a better person. | ||
| This is the kind of feedback that we've been getting about our mind meld, dude. | ||
| It's been insane. | ||
| Like some people have created these remix videos where they've taken highlights and sound samples from what we talked about. | ||
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There's so many. | |
| Set them to imagery and set them to music. | ||
| And that's kind of like what the creativity and the whole remix culture is all about. | ||
| It's not about where you take things from, it's where you take them to. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| And you see that, it's just like, oh my god, it's... | ||
| There's a bunch of those out there now. | ||
| There's so many guys that are really good at that too. | ||
| There's so much creativity. | ||
| Oh yeah, so much. | ||
| And most of them have like regular jobs. | ||
| They're just like regular dudes. | ||
| So they're doing it out of pure passion. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| There's a kid who calls himself the Paradigm Shift on YouTube. | ||
| I met him. | ||
| And you know, he's just a really fucking talented guy. | ||
| He made this thing for me, the American War Machine. | ||
| And I mean, it's like, it's humbling. | ||
| It's humbling, because you hear the words that you say, and the words seem just kind of obvious to you, the things that you've thought of and said a hundred times, but then when this kid puts it to images and video and music... | ||
| And then you see the power of an idea, the power of an idea to live on beyond its inception, beyond the moment that it came out of your mouth. | ||
| There was this guy, The Thinking Primate is the YouTube name, and they did a remix of us, and I thought it was glorious. | ||
| Honestly, I thought it was glorious. | ||
| Yeah, there's a lot of those guys out there. | ||
| And yeah, we're super honored that they do that. | ||
| It's one of the coolest things of all time. | ||
| It's a weird thing going on right now, man. | ||
| I think the internet has kind of ushered in a whole new culture. | ||
| I really do believe that. | ||
| You can't get by on bullshit anymore. | ||
| Yeah, it seems like a culture of massive collaboration and cooperation. | ||
| Even that recent example of that viral video that they made about Joseph Kony in Africa. | ||
| And it reached 100 million views in a week. | ||
| And I think that just what it shows, between that and also the anti-SOPA movement online, I think that what it's really demonstrating is just the ability to create viral swells that have massive impact without having used mainstream media, for example. | ||
| Just make a video, put it on YouTube for free, and have a voice in the national conversation. | ||
| Everybody can do that, and the price points keep going down and down and down exponentially. | ||
| And there's no reason not to think... | ||
| God, what comes next, right? | ||
| Well, yeah, well, this guy, I don't know the whole story on the guy who orchestrated the whole Coney campaign, and I've seen some criticisms about him, but it didn't really make much sense to me. | ||
| I mean, it seems like this guy really is a war criminal, and what this guy's doing by exposing that, it's like, yeah, we're exposing, really, a guy who's done some terrible, horrible things. | ||
| Oh, no, absolutely. | ||
| Unquestionably, right? | ||
| I just think the success of the campaign, like, game-changing, game-changing viral success... | ||
| It also is going to invite scrutiny that comes with that. | ||
| So I think whatever the controversy is, that's a whole separate conversation. | ||
| I think the real conversation is people, democracy, social movements, revolutions, take note. | ||
| This is how you join the conversation. | ||
| This is how you get your voice heard. | ||
| No need to take up arms. | ||
| No need to be violent. | ||
| You want to get something heard? | ||
| Have a good video editor and a good sense of aesthetic presentation. | ||
| Yeah, no shit, huh? | ||
| It's kind of amazing. | ||
| You know, I saw the tweets. | ||
| They started coming in. | ||
| You know, it's Coney, Coney, Coney. | ||
| And I knew who the guy was. | ||
| I'd read about his movement in Africa. | ||
| And you saw Peter Pan. | ||
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I saw Peter Pan? | |
| It's all exactly the same as Coney. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Didn't Peter Pan used to steal the kids and make them an army? | ||
| Isn't it horrible, though, that that actually is happening? | ||
| That someone, they're stealing children and forcing them to become soldiers? | ||
| I mean, it's just terrifying stuff. | ||
| It's really, really horrifying, horrifying stuff. | ||
| It's terrible, but I do think that we're seeing violence going down across the world. | ||
| I mean, this guy, Steve Pinker, and he has a TED Talk, The Myth of Violence. | ||
| We might have mentioned it last time. | ||
| We'll say that... | ||
| Violence is down across the world, and the chances of a man dying at the hands of another man are the lowest that they've ever been. | ||
| Now, granted, there's more people in the world than there were in the past, but proportionally, the violence is a lot less. | ||
| And I think as these people, you know, the rising billion in certain parts of the world, coming online, getting smartphones, joining the global conversation, all of a sudden can have their voices heard. | ||
| And the first step to addressing a problem is, you know, making an awareness that the problem is there so that the importance of it can resonate with people. | ||
| And so I think there's reason to, you know, Be optimistic about even the worst of the worst getting less worse. | ||
| I think we automatically go pessimistic because things aren't perfect. | ||
| I agree. | ||
| We look at it and we go, God, why is there so much fucked up shit in this world? | ||
| Why is there so much crime? | ||
| Why is there so much violence? | ||
| Why is there so much death? | ||
| Why is war still here? | ||
| Why is corruption still here? | ||
| But what you don't realize if you really stop and think is like, this is the best it's ever been ever by a goddamn long shot! | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| I was driving on the way over here today on the highway and it was a nice day here in Pasadena. | ||
| There was no one on the highway. | ||
| It was like easy traveling. | ||
| It's nice and beautiful and sunny out. | ||
| I was thinking how much it would have sucked to live just 500 years ago. | ||
| Oh, totally. | ||
| Just 500, a blip in time, like nothing. | ||
| No cars, fucking horses. | ||
| There's not even trails out here. | ||
| You need to see there's a presentation by this guy called Hans Roebling, his website Gapminder. | ||
| He does this thing where he shows all the nations across the world over time and how the indicators of quality of life and infant mortality rate and income and all these different things. | ||
| He shows that all the countries of the world, even the worst of the worst, are rising. | ||
| So the rising tide does lift everybody else. | ||
| It's unbelievable. | ||
| And I think the reason that most people don't realize that things are always getting better is because of the amygdala. | ||
| Peter Diamandis did a presentation about this at the TED conference just a week and a half ago. | ||
| And he has this book called Abundance and he'll explain that because our brains evolved in a time where we had to have fight or flight mode, the amygdala is always looking for danger and it supersedes everything else. | ||
| And so the media gives us danger because that's what we're drawn to. | ||
| If it bleeds, it leads. | ||
| And we're always going to be paying attention to what's wrong even when there's infinitely more things that are going right. | ||
| And because the media wants to just get viewership, the mainstream media will feed us what we want, which is to see all the horrible things that are happening across the world. | ||
| Although, eventually, that's actually going to be a good thing because if we can see what's wrong, we'll try to address it and try to fix it. | ||
| But even when we remedy 99% of the problems that exist today, our brains are still going to be seeing the new problems because that's what the brain does. | ||
| Yeah, the amount of time from us running from Jaguars to being a guy who steps into a Jaguar and turns the key, the amount of time is so small. | ||
| The biology has never had a chance to catch up. | ||
| It does not! | ||
| We have pretty much the same brains as we did 100,000 years ago. | ||
| I mean, 100,000 years ago, kind of everyone is agreeing, unless you really go extreme, that there was no sophisticated culture, which is nothing. | ||
| 100,000 years is nothing. | ||
| It's a bling. | ||
| What the fuck happened, man? | ||
| It's a bling. | ||
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Language. | |
| Language. | ||
| We got into it last time. | ||
| Yeah, we did get into language. | ||
| You really believe that that just made everything change because we could exchange information? | ||
| Yes, well, because the moment that we invented, and this is where Terrence McKenna gets into, you know, gets Kurzweilian and Kevin Kelly-ish in his comments, is that he said that when we invented language, biological evolution stopped playing the key role. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Because it was replaced by this, you know, cultural epigenetic type of evolution which goes faster and faster and faster because it accrues knowledge and it builds on itself and it's not limited by the hardware of the brain which would take billions and billions of years to change, you know? | ||
| And so this cultural thing, you know, all of a sudden each brain became a neuron in a vaster global brain of accrued knowledge and intelligence that was bootstrapping on its own complexity which is why over the last hundred thousand years It has been, the cultural evolution has been accelerating exponentially. | ||
| It manifested as technology, technological evolution. | ||
| But what's most interesting is that this telescopic nature of it gets faster and faster and faster. | ||
| So over the last 100,000 years, yeah, crazy. | ||
| But over the last 100 years even, it's gotten crazier than the last... | ||
| A billion! | ||
| Well, they say that a thousand years ago, no one could read silently. | ||
| Right. | ||
| There you go. | ||
| They had to read by talking. | ||
| They had to say the words. | ||
| No one could read silently. | ||
| And it was actually one of the ways that some guy, I don't remember, some religious figure, Thomas Aquinas, maybe it's him? | ||
| I'm not sure. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Proved that he was a saint. | ||
| Because he could read silently. | ||
| Because he could read silently and then he would recite it. | ||
| Amazing. | ||
| He would look at it, not say anything, look at the scripture, obviously not reading because he wasn't speaking aloud. | ||
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Wow. | |
| And then he would recite it. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| And that was his master of the scripture was unparalleled. | ||
| It's because he could read silently. | ||
| He was like the only guy. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I don't think it's that guy, though. | ||
| It's like it's one of those other religious people that may or may not have ever really existed. | ||
| Might not have been Thomas Aquinas. | ||
| I didn't ask Sam Harris if he believed it. | ||
| Jesus was a real human. | ||
| That was in the Zeitgeist documentary, I remember. | ||
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Was it? | |
| They said that he probably never even existed. | ||
| Well, because he shares all the same attributes as all these other gods and all these other cultures. | ||
| They all die at the same age. | ||
| They're all born at the same, like... | ||
| But isn't it also possible that it could have been just a real person, but they attached all these other attributes to him because of ancient mythology? | ||
| I suppose. | ||
| If you look at it, it's just completely open. | ||
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Right. | |
| But I don't know if it was a real dude, but man, you want to talk about one guy just dominating religion for thousands of years. | ||
| Well, he became a meme. | ||
| He was no longer a person, man. | ||
| He became a meme. | ||
| In Richard Dawkins' book, The Selfish Gene, he says that there was this new replicator. | ||
| Just like genes were the replicators. | ||
| We could multiply and they could evolve over time. | ||
| That there was a new replicator that was born above the biosphere. | ||
| A new kingdom above the biosphere. | ||
| And the denizens of this kingdom were ideas. | ||
| And so he said ideas in the form of memes. | ||
| They're like organisms. | ||
| They've retained the properties of organisms even though they rise above the biosphere. | ||
| They replicate. | ||
| They complete each other. | ||
| They mutate. | ||
| They leap from brain to brain. | ||
| They compete. | ||
| They compete for attention, you know? | ||
| And And he goes crazy. | ||
| And James Glick, who wrote the book The Information, says that the primary building block of reality might be information before it, before matter itself. | ||
| So he actually says it comes from bit, matter comes from information, and that information is really what's at the core of reality. | ||
| And it's just an insane idea. | ||
| Because that goes back to the whole thing about the power to change the world. | ||
| People, ideas, passions can change the world because ideas have done more than genes over the last hundred years. | ||
| Well, McKenna would always go on about the world being made of language. | ||
| Yes! | ||
| Really hard to wrap your head around, man. | ||
| That was a real mindfuck. | ||
| It was huge. | ||
| Sort of not really, but wait a minute. | ||
| Because two people have to communicate in order to create something together. | ||
| And then you're thinking about infrastructures and cities. | ||
| That is all a factor of language. | ||
| Without language, none of this would be there. | ||
| It's just so hard to wrap your head around that. | ||
| Yeah, and I think that he was spot on. | ||
| And I think that the reason that he was spot on is because I think when he says, okay, the world is made of language, What he's saying is we create a mental model of the world in order to understand the world, in order to speak about the world and react to the world. | ||
| We create a mental model in our head and then we label those pictures in our heads, you know, symbolically. | ||
| So we abstractify reality. | ||
| And therefore, the way that we interface reality through the prism of our language, our thinking, our preconceptions, our stereotypes, our culture, which is to say we don't see the world as it is, we see the world as we are, which speaks exactly and directly to what I think McKenna was saying. | ||
| Reality is made of language. | ||
| It's almost like... | ||
| It's why they say that even thinking a happy thought will start to make you happier. | ||
| Essentially, the world changes. | ||
| You become happier about the world simply by thinking it so. | ||
| And it sounds kind of new-agey and stuff, but not really, because even the object of description, I think, does something to influence one's perception of reality, which is just how you interpret electrical signals going through your brain anyway. | ||
| And so if you're aware that reality is made of language and that we're like co-creating it with our intention and something of course which is magnified with psychedelics that's why they talk about set and setting being so integral to the trip because your thoughts about the trip affect the trip itself so thoughts become reality but we should think of our lives as one big fucking trip our normal baseline waking sober lives is one big hero's journey and it should be up to us to think of it so and so if we're all on a hero's journey if we're all On an extended, | ||
| lifelong mind-manifesting, which means psychedelic, trip, then we have a responsibility to sort of use words to map our reality the way that we want, to be authors of our reality, of our existence, to make a masterpiece out of life, one that we would willingly live again and again for all of eternity. | ||
| So I... Like what we're doing now. | ||
| Our conversation. | ||
| It's changing the reality inside the synapses of those that are engaging with us just the same way we're changing each other's reality right now. | ||
| This is a different reality than where we were an hour ago. | ||
| We're literally interfacing in a different universe. | ||
| You don't think about it that way, though. | ||
| You think, well, we're just doing a podcast. | ||
| A podcast. | ||
| Chilling here, talking shit. | ||
| Yes, but you're... | ||
| Portions of your mind, the output of your mind, whether it's immaterial or not, still creates tangible impact in the world. | ||
| Because think of like the one or five or ten people that you might inspire to create some work of art that came out of what they heard in this conversation. | ||
| And that work of art gets licensed by a brand to create a campaign for creativity that then the government of Finland adopts in their... | ||
| In their policy for education for the following year, and it transforms the lives of the next generation of students. | ||
| The butterfly effect in transformation triggered by ideas is more powerful than, you know, I think, you know, Than of the physical world. | ||
| I think you're absolutely right, especially in the age of the internet. | ||
| I think this is the time where the ideas really can go viral almost instantaneously. | ||
| Like this Kony video. | ||
| I don't even think we've really fully examined the impact possible through information. | ||
| Especially with what are kids going to be like, man. | ||
| What are 20-year-old kids going to be like 20 years from now? | ||
| Just growing up in this... | ||
| More advanced and empowered. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Way more aware. | ||
| Way harder to bullshit. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Bluetooth enabled kids. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They're just going to be crazy. | ||
| They're going to look back on the nonsense that we believe today and they're going to be laughing at us, man. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I think even the way that... | ||
| How things are voted in, you know, how people resolve issues. | ||
| I think the idea of having representatives over there to carry our voice to Washington is obsolete because we are post-geographical beings at this point. | ||
| We don't need somebody else to represent us necessarily because we can all represent ourselves and have a voice online. | ||
| In fact, there's people that are talking about how we could reform or upgrade or re-examine how government is run and how people are represented. | ||
| I mean, I'm talking a little farther out, but there's this guy who's starting this thing. | ||
| He's a friend of mine. | ||
| His name is Micah. | ||
| He used to actually be with Students for Sensible Drug Policy, and now he's doing this thing called Dynamic Democracy, which is about starting a conversation and exploring new ways of how the Internet, the human extended nervous system that's Connecting us all, right? | ||
| Because we love saying that. | ||
| We are all connected. | ||
| We are all empowered. | ||
| Well, how about we upgrade the way the world is run, you know, like on a meta scale? | ||
| Well, let's talk about it, you know? | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| I mean, that essentially is what the Internet's doing, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, I've heard people be down on the internet and I guess you could see some negative points to anonymity and there's a few aspects of pornography that are a little unseemly. | ||
| It's definitely accelerated pornography, I'll tell you that. | ||
| Things have gotten really weird, man. | ||
| If you want to look at what happens to human beings when left alone to their own devices and when allowed to expand in a contained market like pornography, there's only so many different things they can do. | ||
| You know what the big thing is lately that I keep seeing, man? | ||
| Is girls getting guys to come in them and then they squirt it into a champagne glass and drink it. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Or a martini glass? | ||
| Really? | ||
| Who's asking for that? | ||
| Just because these digital tools extend the range of our creativity, it doesn't mean that people can't use that creativity in ways we don't agree with, or perhaps in bad ways, because just like we use the power of fire to cook our food, we use the power of fire to burn other people, which is always the double-edged sword of anything. | ||
| Expansion and extension of human reach. | ||
| But that's still what evolution is probing for because we're all seeking out complexity. | ||
| It's just going from single-celled organisms to multicellular organisms to beings to thinking beings to beings who create technology and so on and so forth. | ||
| So it's all happening anyway. | ||
| So people say it's not going to stop. | ||
| It's part of evolution. | ||
| But yes, we have to acknowledge that these tools are a double-edged sword. | ||
| And that's fine. | ||
| That's part of what makes the conversation interesting. | ||
| Or some people really like doing that. | ||
| That's possible too, right? | ||
| There could be a woman out there that actually likes to get dudes to shoot loads and then she squirts them out into a glass. | ||
| It is very possible. | ||
| And who am I to judge, right? | ||
| No, you should never judge. | ||
| People can do whatever they want as long as they're not hurting anybody else. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| It's just weird that porn is accelerated to this, to what it is today. | ||
| Porn was just porn for the longest time. | ||
| You'd heard rumors of snuff films or something crazy, but no one ever saw one. | ||
| Did you ever see a snuff film, Brian? | ||
| Yeah, I've seen snuff films. | ||
| Well, you've seen people die on the internet for real in their life. | ||
| Yeah, it's disturbing. | ||
| But I don't even know if those are real half the time now. | ||
| Remember when Nine Inch Nails had a snuff film out called Broken? | ||
| It was like they advertised it as this bootleg video. | ||
| And you'd rent it and it looked like somebody murdering somebody else. | ||
| It was kind of like Faces of Death. | ||
| Oh, wow. | ||
| That's terrible, man. | ||
| And everyone thought it was a snuff film, but it turned out... | ||
| Well, there have been real films, man, for real. | ||
| There was a documentary on it a while back. | ||
| That's terrible. | ||
| Yeah, and the guy who was the... | ||
| One of the people they were interviewing was talking about watching this film, and as he's talking about watching the film, he starts crying. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| It's pretty intense. | ||
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Wow. | |
| Yeah, he's obviously pretty fucked up by it, you know? | ||
| Maybe he didn't cry. | ||
| He definitely got choked up. | ||
| He was, like, just thinking about watching this. | ||
| There's a broad spectrum of human behavior, man. | ||
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We've got to figure out somehow to stop that. | |
| Is there a way, or is it necessary to have negative in order to influence positive? | ||
| I don't know if that's necessary. | ||
| I think that has been something that perhaps has worked for some people. | ||
| You've got to know what bad is in order to know what good is. | ||
| You need the contrast. | ||
| But it doesn't mean that we come up with some more novel solution that allows us to live... | ||
| According to that idea that we need the bad in order to know the good, it implies that we need to have suffering to appreciate when we're not suffering. | ||
| Not that we need to, but if you look at things as being natural, you look at everything as being natural, like wolf behavior, bee behavior, look at all this stuff as being natural and positive towards whatever their goal is. | ||
| Whether their goal is to create this beehive that they create, whether their goal is to create an anthill. | ||
| When you look at human society, Maybe what we're doing is natural as well. | ||
| And maybe we're so fucking chaotic and so crazy because you sort of have to be to be working with technology that's so far and ahead what your biology is capable of processing. | ||
| So we have this fucking wacky tribal monkey shit going on while we have nuclear power, while we have... | ||
| There's a lot going on. | ||
| Increasingly, people are moving into their own personal universes and soundscapes. | ||
| And when we have virtual reality, then we each become the god in our own universe. | ||
| And at that point, an infinity of combinations and permutations of lifestyles will be explored by individuated nervous systems living out in the ethersphere of the interweb. | ||
| So who the fuck knows? | ||
| But... | ||
| At that point, we won't care what that person does in their own virtual universe. | ||
| The porn's going to be awesome. | ||
| It's going to be grosser, probably. | ||
| Grosser? | ||
| Yeah, like balut ponds where the tampon gets shoved in the vagina for a week and then pulled out and somebody eats it or something like that. | ||
| I hope not. | ||
| I hope it actually becomes about composing and creating... | ||
| The greatest dream we have ever dreamed. | ||
| Well, maybe it could be both. | ||
| To make greater art than we've ever experienced. | ||
| To create better designer drugs that engage with our senses and make us appreciate art in ways that we couldn't have before. | ||
| To merge with our lovers. | ||
| To become one with them. | ||
| I mean, we use language to connect and say how we feel to one another. | ||
| What if chicks want to merge all the time, man? | ||
| What if they want to merge all the time? | ||
| You got shit you want to do, man. | ||
| What if you want to go hang out with your boys? | ||
| You want to go play pool? | ||
| What if your boys want to merge? | ||
| Your boys want to merge with you and your wife? | ||
| Ew. | ||
| You won't be playing pool, though. | ||
| What if your boy wants to merge with your wife? | ||
| He's like, hey, man, can I merge with your wife? | ||
| Ew. | ||
| Ew. | ||
| That's weird, man. | ||
| I just want to see what it's like to be her. | ||
| What if they want to merge with your kids? | ||
| What if they can copy and paste your wife? | ||
| It's not sexual. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| What if they want to merge with a dolphin? | ||
| Because they want to know what it's like to be a dolphin. | ||
| Jesus Christ, Timothy Leary. | ||
| Settle the fuck down. | ||
| Merging with dolphins and people. | ||
| Yeah, what if, right? | ||
| We have to define, like, if we do create something that allows, like, the human consciousness to merge, to interface with something, we're going to have to, like, really define what's happening there. | ||
| So people don't... | ||
| Like whether it's going to have parameters. | ||
| ...sexual. | ||
| Interesting. | ||
| I just don't see... | ||
| You can see, like, Nancy Grace on TV. Who is this man that he's merging with a 14-year-old girl in Florida? | ||
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You tell me that's appropriate? | |
| That this man is merging? | ||
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What does a grown man have in common with the thinking of a 14-year-old girl? | |
| She gets a little wetter every time there's a dead baby in Florida. | ||
| Every time something happens in Florida, she's like, oh yes, more programming, more material. | ||
| You know, I have to say the fact that we see so much Can't she find nice things? | ||
| Nancy Grace, please. | ||
| I love you. | ||
| I'm picking on you because I have to. | ||
| I'm a comedian. | ||
| Can't you just find one nice story? | ||
| Yeah, we need more programming that's uplifting. | ||
| Isn't it nice to see stuff that makes you feel good about humanity? | ||
| But it's also good to have people go after bad people. | ||
| Don't get me wrong. | ||
| The idea of stopping crime and preventing scumbags from getting along. | ||
| But absolutely, as far as what we project, our issue is that there's 7 billion people on this planet, and if you only want to pay attention to negative shit, you can find enough to fill every second of every day. | ||
| Every second of every day, of every moment that you are on this planet, someone's getting jacked. | ||
| Yes, but I think the people are reacting to that by creating more and more really inspiring content. | ||
| And I think corporations now are all wanting to align themselves with having a sort of... | ||
| Positive impact on the world. | ||
| You know, they're saying there's more to a corporation than just making money. | ||
| Well, I hope so. | ||
| How about wanting to make a social... | ||
| But I think it is becoming part of our consciousness now. | ||
| Increasingly, like, this is what you're hearing. | ||
| I mean, you had Pepsi do that campaign last year. | ||
| They're all... | ||
| My point was that you have to manage your own interaction with this kind of information. | ||
| My point was that if you so choose you can be around it all day every day or you can just not and you can force yourself into more positive places and the options available. | ||
| Both options are available. | ||
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
| And you have to be kind of careful in how you manage your consciousness. | ||
| Because you really can freak yourself the fuck out if you only chose to concentrate on all the negative things in this world. | ||
| There's too much information. | ||
| Totally. | ||
| And you could drown in information, especially because the new limited resources are attention. | ||
| But I think it's interesting. | ||
| There's a book about this. | ||
| It's called The Information Diet. | ||
| And it says that it's really up to us to take responsibility over our information diet, to set up curators, to set up certain filters, to sort of, you know, to have a significant say in how we interface with media. | ||
| And we have that opportunity now that we didn't have before when it was just two channels, it was on or off. | ||
| Now there's a billion options. | ||
| So curate, author, create an experience, an information diet that will keep you mentally invigorated Just like a healthy food diet will keep you healthy. | ||
| A lot of experimenting going on, too. | ||
| There's also a lot of people trying different things out and focusing on different things. | ||
| And there's a lot of misses that seem like they were hits. | ||
| Remember when everybody was into The Secret? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| You remember that? | ||
| And everybody was convinced that all you have to do is think positive and just draw a picture of the house you want on your wall, and one day it'll sort of manifest itself. | ||
| And yes, secret fans. | ||
| Yes, I'm paraphrasing that. | ||
| But don't you think that's an example, like the way you said it, is how probably a lot of people literalized the message without really thinking about it a little deeper and understanding how it might not sound like just... | ||
| Bull. | ||
| Well, here's the problem with the secret. | ||
| Some of it's real, okay? | ||
| There is a certain amount. | ||
| It's one of the ingredients in making something happen. | ||
| One of the ingredients is vision. | ||
| It's 100%. | ||
| There's one of the ingredients. | ||
| I mean, you talk to anybody that had some sort of a great success and a good percentage of them, at least. | ||
| Some of them have sort of gotten their vision along the way, but a good percentage of them had a vision and followed it. | ||
| And it is true. | ||
| But there's so much other shit involved. | ||
| Education, hard work, discipline. | ||
| It's not as simple as just thinking. | ||
| And executing. | ||
| Everything out in the world, the most magnificent artifact from the iPhone to the jet engine is actualized from a thought, from a dream, from a design. | ||
| Which means to say we constructed the virtual version before we constructed the actual version. | ||
| That's the same thing as visualizing something into being. | ||
| But the into being part is when you say, okay, I'm going to go execute on this. | ||
| I'm going to move through space and time, move my atoms through space and time and go construct the thing and go lobby to build the thing, to build the dream, to actualize the goal. | ||
| And I think maybe people who read the book without reading as deeply enough into it, what they thought it was like, okay, I'm just going to sit on the couch and dream something and it's going to come knocking on my door. | ||
| You know, it's also the problem is that they're dealing with a bunch of people who have had success. | ||
| And when people have had success and, you know, they all tell you the same story. | ||
| Oh, I knew it was going to happen and I dreamed it. | ||
| Well, but that's because it happened. | ||
| You know what I'm saying? | ||
| There's a lot of shit that comes along the way. | ||
| You could have gotten some random car accident. | ||
| You could have got hit by a fucking meteor. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| I'm not exactly sure if 100% of your success is based on the fact that you've focused on your dream. | ||
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| I think it's a percentage of the success, but there's a lot of luck involved there, too, man. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| 100%. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| There's a lot of luck involved in everything. | ||
| I mean, the fact that each of us is here, we beat out billions of sperm. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| We've already, all of us are living against the odds. | ||
| And respect for luck, I think, is one of the reasons why people get lucky. | ||
| A respect for luck. | ||
| You gotta respect. | ||
| Luck is, you know, fortune, good fortune, is unquestionably an ingredient. | ||
| There's an ingredient in there. | ||
| And I feel like if karma is real in any form, I believe that's where the most evidence of it being real is. | ||
| That, to me, the people that I know that are the most fortunate are also the kindest, are also the most generous. | ||
| Those are the people that are the most fortunate. | ||
| With themselves as well, which is a very critical point when a lot of people mess up. | ||
| They're super nice to other people, but they treat themselves like shit. | ||
| They treat their body like shit. | ||
| Which is no good. | ||
| They don't go after their own goals. | ||
| They don't trace their own dreams. | ||
| They let people abuse them because they're too nice. | ||
| I mean, there's a lot of people that are not nice to themselves. | ||
| You've got to be as nice to yourself as you are to other people. | ||
| I totally agree. | ||
| It's a huge part of the equation that a lot of people miss out on. | ||
| They're like, I'm a good person. | ||
| I'm nice to people. | ||
| Yeah, but you hate yourself. | ||
| You hate your body. | ||
| You hate your mind. | ||
| You hate the way you think. | ||
| Not everybody. | ||
| Not you. | ||
| You can do more for the world, I think, by treating yourself with the same kindness that you treat other people. | ||
| Well, it's a sickness not to. | ||
| It's a sickness. | ||
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
| I mean, food is fucking delicious, but you shouldn't eat yourself to death. | ||
| You know, I'm not saying you have to look like Kate Moss in her prime. | ||
| Where did I put that reference from? | ||
| Where was that? | ||
| But, you know, you don't have to fucking eat yourself to death either. | ||
| There's a lot of people that eat themselves to death. | ||
| The human mind can go terribly wrong. | ||
| It can go on a horrible path and just get stuck there, just get stuck in the mud. | ||
| Yeah, but the thing is, when we have that problem with software, and if software gets corrupted or if it gets a bad virus in it, we can upgrade it and reboot the system, and we're not so lucky yet with our biology. | ||
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Would you trust that, though? | |
| What if someone did something horrible, like there was a mall shooting or something, and some guy goes in the mall and just shoots random people... | ||
| And then you reboot him. | ||
| Would you allow that guy? | ||
| Do you think that's okay in a civilized society? | ||
| Do you think we have to reboot him? | ||
| That's a great philosophical question to ask. | ||
| I mean, that's a different case study. | ||
| Do we blame society on allowing him to get to a point where his software failed him? | ||
| How do we approach that? | ||
| If it's effective, if it's real, do we blame the tissue that's left after we remove his consciousness? | ||
| Do we blame that tissue and say, I'm sorry, this tissue has to die to make up for the 16 people you shot at the mall? | ||
| Who knows? | ||
| Maybe there will be some form of like... | ||
| I bet there will be an ethical dilemma. | ||
| Like a virtual reality psychedelic experience where you take him down the rabbit hole and he has a Joseph Campbell-esque hero's journey and he collides with his own cosmic nakedness and then emerges rehabilitated. | ||
| Maybe we'll have like... | ||
| It sounds like ayahuasca. | ||
| ...digital download rehabilitation. | ||
| Yeah, electronic ayahuasca. | ||
| You tweeted once that that would be a way to grab a criminal and you should put him in an ayahuasca session with a shaman to stare into the nakedness of his own soul. | ||
| Well, this is my new show, my next show that I'm working on. | ||
| Nobody's bought it yet, but I've got some hopes. | ||
| It's called Douchebags on Mushrooms. | ||
| And that's the show. | ||
| We take douchebags throughout the world and we just bring them somewhere and dose them up with like five grams of mushrooms and let them see themselves. | ||
| Nobody's going to die. | ||
| I think psychedelic therapy is so special. | ||
| Spot on, like in terms of the psychic readjustments that can happen in one session could take years of conventional therapy. | ||
| Imagine giving it to people, yeah, giving it to criminals as part of a rehabilitation. | ||
| That would be very interesting to explore. | ||
| It just sounds very fascinating. | ||
| And not even just criminals, but people that have issues like alcoholism. | ||
| Oh, well, that's obvious. | ||
| I mean, they just came out with a study just now that said that LSD could help people get over alcohol in one session. | ||
| I mean, that's not to say about the mushrooms and depression. | ||
| Well, you know, they were actually doing tests on this in the 60s. | ||
| In the 1960s, they determined that 500 micrograms was enough to cure, like, more than 70% of chronic alcohol patients that came in and tried acid. | ||
| Just from, like, looking at the situation just completely differently. | ||
| Being separated from the nonsense of what you're engaged in. | ||
| We get stuck in these weird patterns. | ||
| It's very strange. | ||
| It's almost like a byproduct of our ability to focus on things. | ||
| We have this ability to become intense and obsess and focus on things in a positive sense. | ||
| But there's a byproduct of that and that byproduct is obsession. | ||
| It's a glitch. | ||
| It's a glitch and you get stuck in stuff. | ||
| It's like if somebody gives you a fucking Ferrari but you don't know how to drive a stick shift and you sort of figure it out along the way. | ||
| Jamming gears and fucking things up. | ||
| Sometimes it's working well. | ||
| You don't understand how to use the system. | ||
| And it could be just that. | ||
| When you see a kid that becomes obsessed with jerking off, you get him into a sport. | ||
| Maybe he become a fucking world champion. | ||
| Maybe he's just one of those kids that just whatever he focuses on, he focuses on insanely. | ||
| There's a lot of kids out there. | ||
| I'm not saying you're wasting your life playing video games because video games are awesome. | ||
| They've improved one's brain. | ||
| There's been a bunch of studies about how gaming improves coordination cooperation. | ||
| But what I'm saying is that these kids, any kid that gets really good at a video game, you can get really good at anything. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You can get really good at anything. | ||
| If you put that kind of focus that you put to get fucking awesome at Call of Duty, you could really, you know, you could have a better life. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Well, imagine these gamification progresses where you can play these games to address real social challenges, and these gamers will probably find solutions to problems that engineers couldn't in the real world. | ||
| That is happening more and more now. | ||
| To use the resources of gamers to gamify a real-world problem. | ||
| How does that work? | ||
| It's like a virtual reality game? | ||
| Yeah, they'll create some interface and some problem and there's a game and you get points for solving issues related to the game. | ||
| And some gamers discovered some antibody for some crazy virus. | ||
| People can Google this. | ||
| Gamers solve some illness. | ||
| Crazy stuff. | ||
| And you're going to be seeing that more and more. | ||
| In fact, they did this crowdsourcing experiment about protein folding. | ||
| And you know who the world's best protein folder is who can fold and design proteins in the virtual space? | ||
| It's like a woman who does it in her free time in the UK. And during the day, she was like a receptionist or something. | ||
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Really? | |
| And she's the world's best protein folder. | ||
| She used to do it on her computer at night. | ||
| What? | ||
| Yeah, because you crowdsource what Clay Shirky calls the cognitive surplus. | ||
| It's all this extra brain activity. | ||
| How is she protein folding? | ||
| What is she doing? | ||
| It's some kind of crowdsource software thing that lets people fold proteins and you can figure out how to do it in the virtual space and then it can be applied in real life. | ||
| It turns out that the best one in the world was this woman in the UK. Better than all the scientists in the world. | ||
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Yeah, yeah. | |
| But she's just a lady with a regular job. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| And you're going to find that more and more. | ||
| There's going to be some gamer in Budapest who's going to fix world hunger. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Look at hackers, the hacking community. | ||
| These little 13-year-olds are hacking fucking Microsoft. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| It's ridiculous. | ||
| Yeah, a 13-year-old hacked the UFC. Yeah. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Yeah, they're badasses. | ||
| Did you hear about the Lulosec guy? | ||
| Is that how you call it? | ||
| Lulosec? | ||
| He ratted out all these anonymous guys, like 26 anonymous guys. | ||
| He just ratted out everybody to the FBI just because, I guess, the FBI was playing dirty and was saying, hey, we're going to arrest you forever. | ||
| You're never going to see your kids ever. | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| And the FBI actually admitted to it and interviewed it. | ||
| That's what they used their kids against. | ||
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Oh, no. | |
| Man, what were they guilty of? | ||
| Hacking, you know? | ||
| Digital terrorism. | ||
| They broke into some serious websites, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Somebody said recently it's a higher form than terrorism. | ||
| Whoa! | ||
| Cyber terrorism rated higher than regular terrorism? | ||
| Well, I have a good friend, this guy Mark Goodman. | ||
| He's at Singularity University over in Silicon Valley where they look at how these emerging technologies... | ||
| Whoa, whoa, whoa. | ||
| This is Singularity University? | ||
| Hell yeah, dude. | ||
| You need to go, man. | ||
| I just did their executive program here in LA. It was at Fox Studios, and it was hosted by the head of Fox, the chairman, Jim Janopoulos. | ||
| And it was the founder, Peter Diamandis and Kurzweil. | ||
| They have people from all over the world, like the most interesting smart people, diplomats, actors, technologists, business people, to learn about exponentially emerging technologies and how they can be addressed to solve humanity's grand challenges. | ||
| And you know, like the homework there, everybody that comes out has to come up with an idea that can help a billion people. | ||
| Because the notion is that technology and our tools now allow individuals to know what to do, what at one time could only be done by governments, you know what I'm saying? | ||
| Or people with extreme resources. | ||
| But yeah, Singularity University had an executive program and they had talks about all the amazing stuff going on. | ||
| But also this guy Mark Goodman talked about like cyber terrorism and new forms of obviously synthetic biology used in bad ways. | ||
| It's a conversation that needs to be had. | ||
| Because human beings have a good ability to foresee problems, and so we should start addressing those problems before they become a serious issue, so that we can enjoy all the fruits and benefits that are coming from these emerging technologies, but at the same time take responsibility for, obviously, what is a double-edged sword, as always. | ||
| Or the aliens land first, before we get our shit together. | ||
| Right, well... | ||
| And then we got a problem. | ||
| Actually, we should talk about aliens. | ||
| I have a... | ||
| Fucking crazy idea to tell you about. | ||
| Are you ready for this? | ||
| Have you guys heard of the Transcension Hypothesis? | ||
| No, I have not. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So I just found out about this last night, and it's a hypothesis by this guy called John Smart. | ||
| He's an accelerating specialist, futurist over in Silicon Valley. | ||
| The Transcension Hypothesis is an answer to Fermi's paradox, which is if the universe is so vast, and there's all these other planets that have had so much more time to develop intelligent life, how come we don't see it everywhere? | ||
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| Like, that's Fermi's paradox, I'm told. | ||
| And the transcension hypothesis says that if you look at what's happening with technological progress as we head towards the singularity, is the dematerialization and miniaturization of complexity. | ||
| So, like, there's more energy per second per gram going through a microchip than there is in the surface of the sun. | ||
| The most complex thing in the universe that we know of right now is the human being. | ||
| So, complexity gets more complex but also gets denser. | ||
| It's what they call stem, right? | ||
| And so... | ||
| What is STEM again? | ||
| Tell me what it stands for. | ||
| Anyway, I'll remember. | ||
| Aliens, brother. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| But what happens is he says that eventually, this exponentially growing technology, and when we start talking about nanotechnology and putting intelligence into the nanoscale, that we're going to eventually create an artificial black hole and disappear into it. | ||
| And slingshot into the future. | ||
| Because there's going to be so much density and so much complexity and so much information that eventually is going to create a rupture through space-time and we're going to disappear into it. | ||
| So we're just going to do that just by density of information? | ||
| By too many hard drives in one spot at one time? | ||
| Yeah, well, because he says that the computation event works by shrinking things. | ||
| And complexity gets smaller and smaller and smaller as the computer chips get faster and faster and faster and more powerful. | ||
| I mean, look at the complexity that's in an iPhone today. | ||
| It's a million times cheaper, a million times smaller, a thousand times more powerful than half a building in size was 40 years ago. | ||
| So in a hundred years, imagine the complexity that is going to be in something smaller than an atom or even scales beyond that. | ||
| So when our minds, when intelligence is residing on those scales, basically they're saying that eventually we're not going to colonize outer space. | ||
| We're going to go into the inner space. | ||
| We're going to go smaller and smaller and smaller in density until we literally create the ultimate universal computer, which is a black hole. | ||
| Does everybody have to do this or can we opt out? | ||
| Can people opt out? | ||
| It's a crazy idea. | ||
| I don't know if I explained it very well. | ||
| I've been saying for years that I think that people are responsible for the Big Bang. | ||
| There you go. | ||
| There you go. | ||
| Well, the Big Bang could have been birthed from a previous universe that eventually achieved the transcension. | ||
| I think it's a reset button. | ||
| I think that's why we're so fascinated with technology. | ||
| We eventually hit a point where we figure something out and we press a button. | ||
| And we disappear into a black hole which is birthed as a Big Bang in a new universe. | ||
| The whole idea of the Big Bang is really fucking amazing. | ||
| Because it's amazing that science ever would come up with a theory like the Big Bang. | ||
| It's almost like they had to have a theory. | ||
| So this was the best one. | ||
| The universe is constantly expanding. | ||
| There's some radio waves from 14 billion years ago we're detecting. | ||
| We believe that was a big explosion. | ||
| Let's just run with this. | ||
| And the idea that at one point in time, 14 whatever billion years ago, the universe was so small. | ||
| It was more than the head of a pin. | ||
| Everything. | ||
| The entire universe. | ||
| That is ridiculous. | ||
| That's ridiculous. | ||
| But that's going the other direction. | ||
| And I just remembered what the STEM acronym stands for. | ||
| It's space, time, matter, and energy. | ||
| Space, time, matter, and energy shrink. | ||
| Why isn't it STEM then? | ||
| Space, time, energy, and matter. | ||
| My bad. | ||
| Space, time, energy, and matter. | ||
| Compresses as technology progresses. | ||
| So there's less space and less time, and things are smaller, and less energy going through that matter, and also less matter. | ||
| So that's the move towards density. | ||
| It's like a reverse... | ||
| It's giving me a fucking headache. | ||
| It's really ridiculous if I was correct. | ||
| I'm sure I'm not the only one who ever thought this up, by the way. | ||
| I think that when you look at nuclear bombs and just nuclear power in general, the fact that we control most of our power in major cities is controlled by these nutty fucking... | ||
| Nuclear explosions that they've contained. | ||
| Not an explosion, but a nuclear reaction that they've contained. | ||
| And if the power goes out like it goes in Japan, everyone's fucked. | ||
| You have to run. | ||
| Everybody has to get away from it, and it's doomed for 100,000 years. | ||
| Just that alone. | ||
| Just that alone. | ||
| It makes me think, like, wow. | ||
| I know I don't have any better options. | ||
| No, I don't. | ||
| But this is all you guys got. | ||
| You guys, I mean, in the 1960s and 70s, this is what you figured out. | ||
| You figured out how to make nuclear power that if the power goes off, it just eats right through the earth. | ||
| And then everyone's fucked anywhere near it. | ||
| You know, but isn't it mind-blowing what a mind, what minds can do? | ||
| Oh, it's incredible. | ||
| Because when you think of the scale that we are, like how small and dense a mind is, a thinking being, the amount of synaptic connections inside of something as small as the brain is as many galaxies as there are in the universe. | ||
| Right. | ||
| That amount of complexity in something so small is what we are. | ||
| So it's like people say, oh, we're so insignificant. | ||
| I think we're like... | ||
| Really significant. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Like, we're the cutting edge of design that has emerged from the universe. | ||
| I agree and I don't at the same time. | ||
| I think, yes, we're very significant if it comes to change on this earth. | ||
| But the earth is just so goddamn small in the big picture. | ||
| It's ridiculous to say that we're significant. | ||
| We're so fucking tired. | ||
| But just the fact that we can talk about the whole universe and literally play back the evolution of the universe in our heads, a capacity to understand events that have occurred over deep time means that we're creating models on the scale of that universe. | ||
| The universe that you're saying is so much bigger than we are. | ||
| We're creating internal models of it inside of our heads. | ||
| It's true. | ||
| We're fitting the universe in our head as far as virtual conversations about it are. | ||
| That's what's fucking crazy, which means it fits in our heads. | ||
| The design fits in our heads. | ||
| If we understand it correctly, the smartest people in the world, Einstein among them, could probably contemplate it in his head. | ||
| And, you know, people who take psychedelics say that they experience the entire universe at once. | ||
| Maybe they do. | ||
| Yeah, maybe they do. | ||
| Maybe it's all inside a mushroom. | ||
| You can see the whole thing. | ||
| You just got to take a nap on them. | ||
| Yeah, well, because the universe expands outwards, but it goes inwards, too. | ||
| The scales get smaller. | ||
| There's an entire universe inside of us. | ||
| Ten trillion, trillion, trillion atoms. | ||
| And apparently the scales go smaller. | ||
| In most atoms, it's just space. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Somebody told me about that the other night. | ||
| Most of everything is mostly empty space. | ||
| Most of us, apparently, is mostly empty space. | ||
| Mostly empty space. | ||
| We're just pattern integrities, man. | ||
| Just pattern integrities. | ||
| It's so insane to just even try to wrap your head around how complex the whole thing really truly is. | ||
| Which is why people like sticking to neighborhoods and watching the same shows. | ||
| They want anything that calms down this bizarre feeling of never-ending complexity. | ||
| It's impossible to understand or be in control of your universe. | ||
| Well, it's frightening to live in the mystery, to live on the edge of knowledge, to live on the edge of thought. | ||
| Well, there's a reason we call it the edge, because it looks like there's a ravine on the other end. | ||
| But I still think, even though as individuals, some of us find that frightening and to each his own, as a collective, I think mankind is always restless and never afraid of the edge. | ||
| I think mankind always pushes at the edge. | ||
| And that's what makes me ultimately so optimistic about humanity. | ||
| We're still here. | ||
| And it's getting crazy. | ||
| And look at the stuff that humanity is talking to itself about. | ||
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Yeah, about bombing Iran. | |
| That's depressing. | ||
| There's a little of that going on too, man. | ||
| It's going both ways. | ||
| It's a self-correcting global organism. | ||
| So maybe we're just self-correcting. | ||
| I agree with you. | ||
| I don't quite share in your optimism because I'm continually fascinated by the stupidity of the human race as well as the intelligence of it. | ||
| I think you can't ignore that. | ||
| There's a lot of dummies out there, unfortunately. | ||
| A big percentage of the world is a fucking mess right now. | ||
| I don't know if it's a big percentage, but I just think that what is a mess gets magnified and brought to our attention. | ||
| Well, it's more than 1%, right? | ||
| More than 1% of the world's a mess, I would say. | ||
| Wouldn't you say? | ||
| When you think about Iraq, Afghanistan, what's going on in Syria, what just happened in Libya, what's going on in Egypt, what may happen in Iran. | ||
| There's a lot of things about this that are very exciting, right? | ||
| I mean, what happened in Libya and Indonesia. | ||
| No, don't get me wrong, but I'm saying... | ||
| You're saying it's a mess. | ||
| There's a lot of movement happening. | ||
| If it's more than 1%, and you've got 100 people in a room, and one of them is fucking crazy. | ||
| I think we live in disruptive times. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Fueled by these accelerating technologies. | ||
| But I think disruption, it's like going through the birth canal. | ||
| It's like when Timothy Leary says that we're about to shed our skin. | ||
| We're in the larval stage. | ||
| We were pre-larval and then we're larval and then we're about to spread our wings. | ||
| Potentially. | ||
| Potentially. | ||
| That's where this conversation comes in. | ||
| If some new age Hitler doesn't step into the equation. | ||
| Fair enough. | ||
| Goddammit. | ||
| But a good conversation to have, right? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Oh, yeah, of course. | ||
| It's amazing when you really look back at World War II that it was such a short amount of time ago. | ||
| It's terrifying. | ||
| It's hard to wrap your head around that. | ||
| I'm Jewish, I know. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Did you have family? | ||
| My family fled from Europe, yeah, on my mother's side, Polish and Russian, yeah. | ||
| They went to Venezuela. | ||
| Ari interviewed a bunch of... | ||
| Wasn't his dad in... | ||
| Well, I don't want to say. | ||
| Let's see. | ||
| But yeah, it's incredible that that's inside. | ||
| That could be your grandparents. | ||
| That could be our lifetime. | ||
| That's within our grasp. | ||
| Frightening. | ||
| While this chain of life is going on, the Holocaust was happening. | ||
| World War II was happening. | ||
| I mean, storming the beaches of Normandy. | ||
| That's like the most savage shit in human history. | ||
| Cutting people down with machine guns as they run through the sand. | ||
| I mean, that's our lifetime, man. | ||
| It's amazing. | ||
| It's really, truly amazing when you stop and think about how crazy that seems. | ||
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| Yeah, there was a really interesting article that I read because obviously everything you're saying is very upsetting. | ||
| It was in Foreign Policy Magazine. | ||
| I'll just stop talking, dude. | ||
| It's cool. | ||
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No, no, no. | |
| For everything I'm saying, it's very... | ||
| No, no, no, no. | ||
| No, but there was an article in Foreign Policy Magazine. | ||
| It was called The End of War. | ||
| And it was one of those counterintuitive articles that you read it and you're like, okay, there's these interesting academics that are saying, yes, this was tragedy. | ||
| Yes, there have been horrible things. | ||
| Yes, these numbers, these scales are horrific. | ||
| But put it in context over deeper, longer time. | ||
| And what you see is that things are getting better. | ||
| Less wars happening. | ||
| Just before, we couldn't cover every war on TV. There were too many conflict zones in the world. | ||
| But he talks about how there's less and less. | ||
| It's important to get the other side. | ||
| I'm sure that it's better now than it has been ever, but I think human beings as just naturally we look at the errors and the issues that we have, and we see a lot of them that are sort of legacy, that aren't corrected, and they've been going on for so long, like war. | ||
| I remember when I was a kid, I was, I don't know, maybe like I think it was like eight or something like that when the government pulled out of Vietnam and the Vietnam War was over. | ||
| And I remember thinking like it's good that we're done having wars because now people realize that we don't like war. | ||
| No one's going to go to war anymore. | ||
| I remember even as a child with the idea in my head that I was watching the culture evolve past war. | ||
| I had like a real sense. | ||
| Especially, I think, when you're a child, because as you're growing and you're kind of experiencing life and it's being sort of explained to you along the way through experiences, that you start getting an idea that that's how the whole world works, that things just get better over time. | ||
| Things get smarter, they improve, because that's what you're doing. | ||
| You're eight years old. | ||
| You're smarter than you were when you were five. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You know what I'm saying? | ||
| I mean, a significant leap over who you are when you're eight. | ||
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Yes. | |
| So I think that's how I viewed the world. | ||
| And I remember in whatever year it was, 91 or 92 when we went with Desert Storm. | ||
| Right. | ||
| What year was that? | ||
| 91, right? | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| Whatever. | ||
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I don't remember. | |
| Might have even been 89. But whatever year it was, I remember watching that happen. | ||
| I remember me and my buddy Jimmy that I used to live with, my roommate, Jim Dottilio. | ||
| What's up, Jim? | ||
| We were sitting in front of the TV and they were showing missiles, like, firing over into Baghdad. | ||
| And I remember watching that going, what the fuck? | ||
| And he looks at me and he goes, we're at war, buddy. | ||
| We're at war. | ||
| Like, that didn't even make sense. | ||
| Well, because it seems obsolete compared to all the great things that are happening in the world, right? | ||
| The massive collaboration, the massive cooperation, you know, people doing things increasingly for free for one another online, people coming together, people protesting against dictatorships. | ||
| Twitter being used as fuel for dissent and discontent. | ||
| I mean, there's so many encouraging trends that whenever you kind of contemplate the fact that there's still bad things out there, you realize... | ||
| Well, the contrast also makes you realize, wow, there's aspects of us that are so obsolete. | ||
| We need a firmware upgrade. | ||
| But we're fucking... | ||
| We're getting there. | ||
| Singularity University is what... | ||
| You need to go, man. | ||
| I'm sure they love that. | ||
| I do need to go. | ||
| Yeah, we had... | ||
| Actually, Will.i.am was there. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah, and then he did a talk and a panel. | ||
| We had this company that does a... | ||
| Wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute. | ||
| Will.i.am gets to talk at the Singularity University? | ||
| Him and the head of Fox. | ||
| What does he talk about? | ||
| Well, because he was talking about using these technologies. | ||
| Getting hot bitches on the road. | ||
| The creative and good uses of these technologies and how we need to spread these technologies to those that are less lucky than we are and whatnot. | ||
| I'm sure he was talking about nice things. | ||
| I just have to crack jokes. | ||
| And we saw two paralyzed people walk. | ||
| This bionics company who makes these exoskeletons. | ||
| I've seen those. | ||
| Demonstrated two paralyzed people standing up and walking. | ||
| I mean, it was insane. | ||
| That's really intense. | ||
| I've seen that. | ||
| An exoskeleton is fucking nuts, man. | ||
| That's like something right out of a Marvel Comics, man. | ||
| Totally, right? | ||
| It looks like a trailer for a movie that takes place in the future that's showing you how we got there. | ||
| Archival footage from the future. | ||
| It just totally makes sense, right? | ||
| I mean, it's the future. | ||
| They're going to figure out artificial bodies eventually. | ||
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Dude. | |
| Absolutely. | ||
| For sure they're going to be able to put your head on someone else's body. | ||
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Dude. | |
| On an artificial... | ||
| Avatars. | ||
| Well, isn't there a Wired magazine story about the man who wants to build the real avatar? | ||
| Could you imagine if they get so good at surgery that they build an artificial you and the head is open and they just have to sew it up and stuff your brain in there. | ||
| They only have like a certain amount of time where they could take your brain and reattach it. | ||
| That would be interesting. | ||
| They open your... | ||
| Good night. | ||
| Good night, Mr. Jones. | ||
| Boom. | ||
| Cut open your... | ||
| Next thing I see, you're going to be 20 years old and invincible. | ||
| They cut open your fucking brain, suck it out real quick, and they only have a couple minutes, and then they screw it into this new brain. | ||
| Turn it on. | ||
| Fire up. | ||
| Mr. Jones, do you hear us, Mr. Jones? | ||
| Well, I think... | ||
| 37 seconds. | ||
| We're good. | ||
| We're good. | ||
| You got a new life. | ||
| And then Mr. Jones made the trip into a synthetic body with his biological brain. | ||
| Is that possible? | ||
| Well, I think by the time that we can do that, we will be non-biological in the sense that we'll have far greater than human intelligence and sentience residing in decentralized non-biological substrates. | ||
| Do you feel like that about spaceflight? | ||
| On the nanoscale. | ||
| Do you feel like that? | ||
| I've never felt like we're going to go to other planets. | ||
| We definitely are. | ||
| We definitely are. | ||
| We're going to go to Mars in less than 10 years. | ||
| Elon Musk is working on this. | ||
| Newt Gingrich was saying, if you let me in office. | ||
| Did you hear that? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Newt Gingrich said, if you let me in office by the second term, we'll have a base on the moon. | ||
| Well, we don't need governments for that. | ||
| See, that's the difference of where we are now. | ||
| It's going to happen by private spaceflight. | ||
| It's going to be the techno-philanthropists like Elon Musk who have the vision and the resources to make it happen. | ||
| And they benefit from the emerging technologies because something that was, that the cost was impossible 20 years ago, all of a sudden is miniaturized, is infinitely more affordable. | ||
| We're going to space and then we're going to send artists into space and that will transform the We have to decide who the artists are, because the last thing you want is shitty poetry from outer space. | ||
| Well, imagine you in space analyzing it philosophically. | ||
| A podcast from space. | ||
| How that would influence your thoughts, your ideas. | ||
| How about we just get a green screen and put some space behind me? | ||
| Maybe that'll work. | ||
| That'll be the same. | ||
| And we'll put on our NASA suits. | ||
| Do you have your NASA suit, Brian? | ||
| Yep, it's here. | ||
| Mine's in the trunk. | ||
| Very cool, man. | ||
| Yeah, I don't know, man. | ||
| I don't know what the future holds, but I think the Big Bang machine might come before space travel. | ||
| I mean, I'm just guessing. | ||
| The Big Bang machine? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They might press the Big Bang button before we figure out how to get to other planets. | ||
| I hope not, man. | ||
| We have to at least figure out how to back ourselves up. | ||
| What if you fucking fly out to Mars? | ||
| What if you fly out to Mars and it's just like the shittiest parts of Arizona? | ||
| It's just like the shittiest parts of the Arizona desert. | ||
| And you're like, you know what? | ||
| There's spots like this that suck on America. | ||
| I could have just driven there. | ||
| I didn't have to fucking fly in a rocket ship to some place with no air to see a shitty part of the universe that I could have seen in Arizona. | ||
| You know those rock desert areas where there's fucking no one but rattlesnakes for a hundred thousand fucking square miles? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Dude, fair enough. | ||
| And I think that those that go are not going to swim on Mars' beautiful beaches. | ||
| I think they're going for the feeling that they will have when they look out that window and see another celestial body. | ||
| They're going there for the wanderlust. | ||
| The awe. | ||
| They're going there for the awe. | ||
| That's their religious feeling. | ||
| That's them getting off on God. | ||
| Anybody who does that, who really, if they really do choose to give up essentially years and years of their lives for this scientific adventure, I mean, that's what they're doing. | ||
| It's going to take like six months just to get to Mars. | ||
| That's a real hero. | ||
| And there's going to be a lot of one-way tickets like you were saying. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| That's a real hero. | ||
| And who knows, by the way, what the fuck happens to your body out there in radiation and deep space. | ||
| Who knows? | ||
| How unhealthy it is to be in the atmosphere. | ||
| And then what are they going to do? | ||
| They're going to have to do some sort of a... | ||
| What is it called when you change the atmosphere of a new planet? | ||
| Terraform. | ||
| Terraform. | ||
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Oh, yeah. | |
| They would have to terraform. | ||
| So they would have to build machines that actually create oxygen and then hope it stays stable. | ||
| Yeah, but you want to go a little crazier, man, a little farther into the future? | ||
| That will all be done with nanotechnology. | ||
| The physicist Freeman Dyson says we'll be able to have the entire biosphere of the world decoded, the genome of the entire biosphere of everything that's living on planet Earth in something that's a few micrograms in weight and at the nanoscale. | ||
| And we'll be able to send those nanotechnology instructions to self-replicate and seed the universe. | ||
| I did a whole rant about it. | ||
| This is a physicist talking about this. | ||
| It's not like some hippie tripping. | ||
| This is a physicist who at one time was probably a hippie tripping and became a physicist. | ||
| It makes sense when you think about how small data holding little hard drives now and what they're going to be like. | ||
| They've got computers that are as small as a grain of sand now. | ||
| Dude, quantum computing is going to be doing superposition, which means like being one and zero at the same time. | ||
| Yeah, what is that? | ||
| Explain to me superposition. | ||
| Does anybody... | ||
| Do you understand it? | ||
| I'm no expert, but superposition means that... | ||
| Something can be in motion and still at the same time. | ||
| Exist and not exist. | ||
| Yes, yes. | ||
| In two different places at once. | ||
| Yeah, something can be a particle and a wave at the same time. | ||
| And so something can be at the same time in two different points in the universe, simultaneously, and communicate. | ||
| And this is not horseshit, right? | ||
| This is all proven stuff. | ||
| No, this is all proven stuff. | ||
| At least accepted in the quantum physics community, yeah. | ||
| Doesn't that make you want to toss all previous notions about reality aside? | ||
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Yes. | |
| When you look at something like that and you go, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute. | ||
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Yes. | |
| The very foundation of everything that we see, touch, feel, observe, know exists. | ||
| Is illusory. | ||
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What? | |
| Yes. | ||
| It's a goddamn program. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Dude, it's the fucking Matrix. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| It's the Matrix. | ||
| It really is real. | ||
| The Matrix didn't go far enough. | ||
| The Matrix didn't go far enough, but that's why the movie was so brilliant, and that's why Inception was similarly on those same, my friend has a shirt, it has these two guys sitting in a chair, and one of them says, are we just graphics on an imaginary t-shirt? | ||
| And the other guy says, that's ludicrous. | ||
| But you could extend that and extrapolate that to us. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Are we just like two dudes in some virtual simulation that somebody else is playing with? | ||
| And then you're like, nah. | ||
| And then it zooms out and it shows that we're playing on some screen for someone else's entertainment. | ||
| Well, the game was really good. | ||
| Which is what's happening right now. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, when you're playing a really good game of Quake, when you're in the zone, man, you're not thinking, hey, I'm playing Quake. | ||
| Oh, no, it's real. | ||
| You're locked in there. | ||
| You're hopping and moving. | ||
| You're a part of it. | ||
| We can be in multiple realities, dude. | ||
| There's no doubt. | ||
| We're already doing it with flat Screens that are not even that immersive, and we can lose ourselves in it. | ||
| Right, so if this is artificial, it could be just so good, it feels real. | ||
| Which makes sense for a lot of shit. | ||
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Absolutely. | |
| I've said so many times that the world feels like a piece of fiction. | ||
| When a guy like, you know what? | ||
| I yelled, shut the fuck up at the TV when that Anthony Weiner guy got caught with taking pictures of his dick. | ||
| I'm like, come on, man. | ||
| This is shitty writing. | ||
| If this was a sitcom, I'd get mad. | ||
| Well, you know what? | ||
| That's a movie. | ||
| A movie about a guy that's criticizing the screenplay of life starring you would be really funny. | ||
| It wasn't that I was criticizing. | ||
| It was that it was like Coen Brothers-esque. | ||
| It was so preposterous that it seemed like all of a sudden we're in a movie. | ||
| Come on, the guy named Wiener takes pictures of his cock. | ||
| He just throws them on the internet. | ||
| The clues are everywhere, man. | ||
| Row, row, row your boat. | ||
| What? | ||
| What does that mean? | ||
| Well, the last line of row, row, row your boat. | ||
| It says, life is but a dream. | ||
| Life is but a dream. | ||
| They probably had to make something rhyme. | ||
| What if life is not the pursuit of a dream? | ||
| What if life is not the pursuit of a dream? | ||
| There's clues everywhere, man. | ||
| Or someone could have been really high when they wrote that. | ||
| Jesus wrote that song. | ||
| Yeah, I've written a lot of shit high that I'm embarrassed about. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like your one joke? | ||
| Yeah, it's true. | ||
| I really did write that. | ||
| That's funny. | ||
| So, what do we do to sort of... | ||
| I mean, I guess what we're doing is what you're doing right now. | ||
| I mean, what we're doing, what we can do as individuals. | ||
| We're creating memes. | ||
| Yeah, and what we can do is retweet things that resonate with us. | ||
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Absolutely. | |
| Talk about things that resonate with us. | ||
| Well, every time you retweet something, 600,000 minds are... | ||
| Potentially, yeah. | ||
| Potentially, potentially, fair enough. | ||
| But 600,000 is a very big number. | ||
| So even if only 10, if the tweet that you sent out triggers a butterfly effect in his thought that opens up a whole new stream of possibilities for that person, that's real transformation. | ||
| So it's natural selection playing out at a faster and faster rate because things are happening. | ||
| So you're creating artful change in the world using the power of your mind. | ||
| Somebody listening to this might invent some new poem that becomes the campaign for some brand that transforms the world. | ||
| Like I said, the butterfly effect. | ||
| But we're talking on scales and numbers where that's possible. | ||
| I've seen the engaged, inspired audience interface with you. | ||
| I've seen it. | ||
| It's kind of amazing. | ||
| Well, they're responding to you too, man. | ||
| They're responding to your ideas and you're passionate about it. | ||
| And one of the cool things about having a podcast is someone right now could be anywhere doing some tedious work around the house or whatever. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And they were in a certain state of mind. | ||
| And the conversations, the topics that you brought up and the way we've explored these topics, all of a sudden their mind is fucking racing. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And that is a real cool thing. | ||
| That is a really cool thing that we can do something like that. | ||
| That to me is one of the most satisfying aspects of this. | ||
| That you can entertain someone and engage them and literally put them on a little bit of a mental journey where they start thinking about these different subjects. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| Nanotechnology and you start exploring it and seeing how bizarre it is. | ||
| of the references that you use you go and look them up yeah holy fuck so many people ask for book recommendations after our session Oh yeah, I'm sure. | ||
| So many. | ||
| Yeah, I've got to eventually make a thing on my website. | ||
| We need to do that. | ||
| My favorite books. | ||
| There's favorite documentaries. | ||
| There's a documentary thread on the message board. | ||
| I need to make that popular. | ||
| I'm such a big fan of Joseph Campbell and the sort of monomyth and the hero's journey. | ||
| Me as well, yeah. | ||
| See, think of the hero's journey. | ||
| We think so literally. | ||
| So we're like, obviously a geographical journey. | ||
| Like if you go on a safari and you climb Kilimanjaro, you will go through all the steps. | ||
| A departure from the ordinary, overcoming obstacles, having a catharsis and realization and making the return. | ||
| But we need to apply that metaphor internally. | ||
| This podcast session is a Joseph Campbell-esque hero's journey. | ||
| Person puts on the headphones and it's a departure... | ||
| Who's the prince and who's the princess? | ||
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No. | |
| I just want to know. | ||
| We don't need... | ||
| We're going on a hero's journey. | ||
| No, but think this is the hero's journey. | ||
| It follows the steps. | ||
| It's a departure from the ordinary. | ||
| We're partaking in conversations that are maybe not your everyday conversations. | ||
| We're overcoming obstacles in the sense that we're challenging preconceived truths and questioning ourselves and asking difficult questions and thinking new thoughts. | ||
| So that's the obstacles. | ||
| And then we're transcending and overcoming the resistance that we have to change into new ways of thinking. | ||
| And then we're having, hopefully, the catharsis. | ||
| Hopefully sometime during this journey we have a moment of profound realization that changes us both and somebody listening to forever. | ||
| And then we make the return, which is to say, I love that. | ||
| I want to share that with my community. | ||
| I'm going to tweet it. | ||
| I'm going to Facebook it. | ||
| So if you apply that metaphor of the hero's journey, you try to make... | ||
| Parts of your life. | ||
| Significant heroes. | ||
| I'm going to wake up in the morning. | ||
| I'm going to be like, today, I'm going to depart from the ordinary. | ||
| I'm going to put myself in uncomfortable situations. | ||
| I'm going to transcend those boundaries. | ||
| I'm going to have a new realization. | ||
| I want this day to mean something and then make the return. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But what if that day you got like a bunch of shit you need to get done? | ||
| You listen to this podcast. | ||
| I want to depart from the ordinary. | ||
| Because it can happen in your brain too. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I'm going to read this book tonight. | ||
| I'm going to check out this interesting documentary. | ||
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Right. | |
| It's definitely good to expose yourself to different things. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| That's why I really get into finding Bigfoot. | ||
| I've been watching that a lot lately, Brian. | ||
| That's probably a good thing. | ||
| It's one of the things I have. | ||
| Isn't that just a waste of time for you though? | ||
| Fuck yeah, it's a waste of time, but I'm trying to write some new material. | ||
| I'm doing my special, by the way, it's confirmed. | ||
| It's going to be happening in Atlanta on April 20th at the Tabernacle Theater. | ||
| And most of the tickets are sold out for the first show, but we're going to do a second show. | ||
| So we'll have the first show, I think, at 8. The second show will be 10.30. | ||
| And the second show tickets will go on sale sometime this week, probably today's Monday, sometime probably Wednesday, I would guess. | ||
| And it'll be me and Joey Diaz and Duncan Trussell. | ||
| Holla! | ||
| And I'll be recording my new comedy special and releasing it Louis C.K. style on the internet for five bucks. | ||
| That's brilliant, dude. | ||
| Brilliant. | ||
| You've got to call it Louis C.K. style. | ||
| And you're going to be in New York, too, at some point, right? | ||
| Yeah, I'm going to be in New York. | ||
| I'm going to be there. | ||
| Are you going to be there? | ||
| Let's link up. | ||
| Yeah, what day is that? | ||
| I'm going to be there all of April, man. | ||
| Oh, you are? | ||
| Okay, cool. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Actually, I should tell you this because this is really cool. | ||
| I'll be there May 5th. | ||
| May 4th. | ||
| May 4th. | ||
| Okay, so let's link up. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| But actually, next week, man, I'm heading up to, or this week, at the end of this week, I'm heading up to the Bay Area because on the 20th, I'm speaking at Stanford Design School and showing some of my crazy ecstatic videos. | ||
| Oh, wow. | ||
| And then on the 27th, on March 27th, I'm speaking at Google. | ||
| I was invited to speak there. | ||
| Yeah, I'm going to show some of the videos. | ||
| And then on March 28th, I'm going to be speaking at the Economist Ideas Festival on Innovation at Berkeley. | ||
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Wow. | |
| It's going to be sick. | ||
| All about showing the videos. | ||
| It's about talking about inspiration, creativity, new ways of packaging and disseminating ideas. | ||
| Then I go to New York, and on March 30th, I'm speaking at the PSFK conference in Battery Park. | ||
| Instead of making people memorize this stuff, because most of them won't, what is your website? | ||
| Where is this all? | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| JasonSilva.com? | ||
| Yeah, if you go to thisisjasonsilva.com. | ||
| Thisisjasonsilva.com. | ||
| Yes, but the best thing, honestly, is Twitter. | ||
| Twitter. | ||
| At Jason underscore Silva, S-I-L-V-A. Yeah, and if you can't find it, it's on mine, talking about this podcast. | ||
| Yeah, that way I keep people updated on all the talks. | ||
| And then April 20th, the National Arts Club in New York City. | ||
| I'm going to be speaking as well. | ||
| That's amazing. | ||
| And this is all because of your videos that you produce for the internet, which are really amazing. | ||
| And if you Google Jason Silva Vimeo, there's a whole page with a gang of them on. | ||
| And Vimeo is a nice, high-quality visual, too. | ||
| Yeah, I love Vimeo, man. | ||
| They're amazing. | ||
| It's very high-quality. | ||
| You can go full screen with it on a large screen. | ||
| It looks great. | ||
| They get it. | ||
| And the design, it's made for artists. | ||
| It's beautiful. | ||
| Yeah, Vimeo is awesome. | ||
| We put all of our podcasts up on Vimeo. | ||
| We also put a video blog up. | ||
| We put that on Vimeo as well. | ||
| But yeah, I think that's incredible, man, that you're getting all this work just from those videos popping up on the internet. | ||
| How did you get started on this, man? | ||
| What is your background as far as education? | ||
| Yeah, man. | ||
| Well, I grew up in Venezuela. | ||
| And I went to international school and of course after Venezuela I was in film school and I did Current TV which was Al Gore's TV channel for like the last five years. | ||
| But it was really when I left last year that I wanted to do my own content. | ||
| Did you ever get massages with Al? | ||
| No we didn't. | ||
| Got really baked. | ||
| Didn't Al have some massage problems? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Yeah, the short videos, I wanted to apply in principle what I was believing intellectually. | ||
| I wanted to make content that was mimetic, because I believe we live in a world where short-form content disseminated through the internet can infect people, can transform minds. | ||
| We don't need the old gatekeepers, so to speak. | ||
| Everybody's empowered. | ||
| And so the reason short videos are easier to consume through small devices and this and that, and you don't ask people for too much of their time. | ||
| That's a big thing. | ||
| Well, until you've won them over, like you. | ||
| I know that people love to listen to you for a long time. | ||
| Well, like they love the podcast. | ||
| What most people do is they listen to it while they're doing other stuff. | ||
| That's the best way to do it. | ||
| That's brilliant. | ||
| Well, it's a real genre that hasn't really been addressed before. | ||
| I love coming here with you because it gives me a chance to talk about these ideas in a space which is bigger and people are listening to it. | ||
| But, you know, for my situation, to initially get the word out about the videos, it just worked to do them really short. | ||
| But what I think people respond to them is whether or not they're into the ideas of exponential growth and technology and transforming the human condition, people are into the idea that inspiration needs to be reinvented. | ||
| How we package and disseminate big ideas needs to be reexamined because we have a new substrate. | ||
| The internet is a new substrate. | ||
| When we invented the printing press, we came up with the format of the book, and there was rules and parameters, and this is how it works best. | ||
| Television, we came up with the sitcom. | ||
| Film, we came up with the length of time that a film should be before people get restless in the theater, and so on and so forth. | ||
| And I think on the internet, we're still figuring it out. | ||
| What are the parameters of work? | ||
| What are the lengths of videos? | ||
| We look at the statistics and get the information and find out how long people pay attention to stuff, and this and that. | ||
| And so I'm just trying to raise that conversation. | ||
| I get excited when I find long form documentaries available on like Google Video and YouTube. | ||
| Yeah, but people don't do it yet on their screens. | ||
| We're going to have that more when we have the merger of TV and the web. | ||
| Apple TV. Because then you're on the couch watching TV. Watching web content and it's a different experience. | ||
| It's not just a small screen. | ||
| When the screens merge, I think we'll have that. | ||
| Do you think that's entirely going to happen? | ||
| You don't think that it'll still have the separation of computer and television? | ||
| No, I think software is going to eat the world. | ||
| That was a great article that I read. | ||
| So do you think that networks, like NBC, ABC, that's like legacy, it's all going to be like VHS tape someday? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I think we're going to be interfacing. | ||
| I think the Apple TV thing is coming, is my feeling. | ||
| And that is going to make everything intuitive. | ||
| I read an article yesterday from Nick Bilton from The Times where he was saying that he gets anxious when he looks at his cable and TV box because there's so many buttons and it's so complicated and he doesn't know what input is connected to what this and most of the stuff he doesn't want to watch. | ||
| And he says that he looks at his iPad and everything's so neat and he can press what he wants and get what he wants in real time. | ||
| We're moving in that direction. | ||
| I mean, have you guys checked out HBO Go? | ||
| It's really cool. | ||
| Awesome. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, on your computer, watch anything, anytime, on demand, if you're an HBO subscriber. | ||
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Wow. | |
| But, like, a premium, beautiful, you know, experience. | ||
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Holy shit. | |
| I think that's the future. | ||
| That's beautiful. | ||
| And, you know, another thing that's the future, which is it's still clunky today. | ||
| And I can't believe it's still clunky. | ||
| Like, the other day, I wanted to find a show on a channel. | ||
| And I'm like, I don't know what the channel is. | ||
| I have a thousand numbers. | ||
| So, I'm, like, going through each channel. | ||
| Like, God, where the fuck is this channel, you know? | ||
| It should be a certain channel. | ||
| The search feature, right? | ||
| No, it's just going to be Siri. | ||
| It's going to be, turn to the Cartoon Network. | ||
| And that's all it's going to be. | ||
| And the remote control alone is just such, it's like looking at an old payphone. | ||
| Yeah, when the UFC moved to Fuel TV, when they were having some fights on Fuel TV, I had to find Fuel TV. Took forever, right? | ||
| Good fucking luck, man. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Good luck. | ||
| It sucks. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's like 618 on DirecTV. | ||
| And especially when you have HD channels now, too. | ||
| Half the time, you're not even watching the HD channel, and you're like, oh shit, how long have I been watching this? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| There's so many channels now, man. | ||
| It's stupid. | ||
| It's amazing. | ||
| That's why I think the Apple TV, when it does get released, I think that's just going to change everything. | ||
| I think everything's going to be a la carte. | ||
| I think, yeah, NBC's going to be around, but they're going to be like any other channel. | ||
| It's going to be like your channel. | ||
| People like shows, though. | ||
| They like Lost. | ||
| They like things that are going to be produced by a production company that you might not be able to replicate. | ||
| The home... | ||
| You know, even with incredible software. | ||
| I think people will always want the premium experience, and they're willing to pay for the premium experience. | ||
| I mean, I don't care to pay $20 to see an IMAX 3D film in a theater and be completely immersed in an experience like that. | ||
| Did you like Avatar? | ||
| I thought it was beautiful. | ||
| Did you feel any Avatar depression once you left? | ||
| You know, I think that's fascinating. | ||
| Don't you think? | ||
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I love it. | |
| That idea? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, there's a great book called The Art of Immersion by Frank Rose, who used to be at Wired, who says that the future of immersive storytelling, and an example is Avatar is such an immersive 3D experience, and he says, we all long to go back to Pandora, even though we've never really been there. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| We missed something that wasn't really real. | ||
| But then again, everything is not really real, right? | ||
| Because it's all an illusion. | ||
| But more and more, dude, immersive experiences like that. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| We're going to get sad when we fall out of the game or out of the movie or out of the virtual space because it's increasingly becoming more interesting than reality. | ||
| If people got Avatar depression, really they got depression that they weren't one of those blue things. | ||
| Because you wouldn't want to be living in Avatar if you were a human. | ||
| You're just a little fucking bitch of an animal. | ||
| I think it was just so pretty. | ||
| That got jacked left and right. | ||
| Yeah, but humans didn't even have a chance in the Avatar world. | ||
| You can't have Avatar depression. | ||
| You essentially have depression about your species. | ||
| You want to be one of the Na'vi. | ||
| Well, you want to be larger than life, but that can be... | ||
| Well, you want to live that lifestyle that they're living the love and honor. | ||
| When I was little, I used to get Indiana Jones depression. | ||
| When Indiana Jones ended, I used to get sad. | ||
| I wanted to take for treasure in my backyard, and I wanted to have my life to be as fun as Indiana Jones. | ||
| I remember that feeling as a kid. | ||
| I really remember leaving films and wanting the luster and the awe of... | ||
| I think the idea of Avatar though was that the culture of Avatar was missing everything that we're missing or rather that the culture of the Na'vi had everything that we're missing. | ||
| That our lost society, that our materialistic, ridiculous society where we're not taking responsibility for our own actions, we all act collectively as a gigantic group or corporation, that this tribal life, this tribal life where all these people were forced to toe their own weight and celebrated and loved each other. | ||
| Yeah, but that tribal life that supposedly was so advanced, I mean, they still had hierarchical systems. | ||
| There was still an angry boss that told everybody else what to do. | ||
| There was still warriors. | ||
| They didn't really transcend our savagery. | ||
| But they're happier than secretaries. | ||
| Do you see what I'm saying? | ||
| There's an interesting thing that Kurzweil had mentioned that he thought it was really interesting that you use the world's greatest technology to bring our imaginings into being. | ||
| To make that movie. | ||
| To then criticize technology in the movie. | ||
| So you use the most powerful computers and digital tools to realize that dream into screen. | ||
| And then you tell a story inside of that technologically mediated reality. | ||
| You tell a story about how bad technology is and how we should all go live in the forest again. | ||
| Not really. | ||
| What they told the story about was about greed and about the willingness to fuck over cultures and kill entities just to get that crazy mineral. | ||
| But a lot of people came out of that and said it was an indictment of technology. | ||
| What was the mineral? | ||
| Impossibranium or something like that. | ||
| That was some stupid fucking name. | ||
| What was it called, Brian? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| They saw the movie once. | ||
| Obtainium. | ||
| Inobtainium. | ||
| Impossible to obtain. | ||
| Something along those lines. | ||
| Like, oh, you silly goose. | ||
| There's a great term called computranium that I recently learned. | ||
| And I think it's when we leverage all the matter in the universe or in the galaxy into computation. | ||
| So all the atoms, we put computation into everything and then it becomes a computronium. | ||
| I'm not sure if I'm explaining it correctly, but yeah, this idea that civilization will eventually get advanced, that it can leverage all the matter in the universe and put computation into it. | ||
| Harness all the matter and energy in the universe. | ||
| What does that even mean? | ||
| Could you use that to get you to work? | ||
| It means everything will have computation in it. | ||
| Well, you know how there's, you know, our computers are built of materials and we put computation into those... | ||
| So we could put computation into the stars? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| How the fuck would you do that? | ||
| I'm not a physicist, but this is stuff that you can find physical articles that, you know, speculate about the future and how a society will cross a scale and then it will harness the energy of a star and put computation into matter and terraform other worlds. | ||
| And yeah, I mean, it's... | ||
| I mean, we already do it inside of computers. | ||
| I mean, computation and complexity inside of a microchip, the only other thing as complex is the brain. | ||
| Nothing else in the universe has that complexity. | ||
| I find fascinating when I go back to some 1980s and 1990s science fiction movies. | ||
| I like watching what they thought a computer was going to be like. | ||
| The movie Alien, I watched that again the other day. | ||
| One of my all-time favorite movies, an amazing movie, and still holds up as far as suspense. | ||
| You must be excited about Prometheus, though. | ||
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| Fuck yeah. | ||
| Oh man, I saw the 3D trailer in a theater. | ||
| Anything Ridley Scott comes up with, I'm down for. | ||
| But the first Alien movie is one of my all-time favorite movies. | ||
| But god, the computer looks so fucking wonky and shit. | ||
| And it was fascinating that when you look at some of these older movies, they'll take place in 2017. And it's like nothing looks anything like today. | ||
| Everything's super futuristic, flying cars and shit. | ||
| Like, when was Blade Runner supposed to be taking place in? | ||
| How far in the future was it? | ||
| That's a good question. | ||
| I don't think it was that far. | ||
| Dude, if you would see some of the little flying robots that they showed at TED this year. | ||
| Oh, I saw some of those. | ||
| Oh, the choreographed flying little helicopters that could do a dance and go around obstacles and objects, and those are going to have HD cameras and they can map rooms. | ||
| The Google self-driving cars... | ||
| 200,000 miles they've driven with zero accidents. | ||
| A million people a year die in road accidents, okay? | ||
| A million people a year. | ||
| When we switch over to those self-driving cars, which we already know after 200,000 miles, no accidents. | ||
| They're only going to get better. | ||
| That's, I mean, it's coming. | ||
| So that's what cars are going to be? | ||
| Of course. | ||
| Self-driving cars. | ||
| Just like airplanes, man. | ||
| Humans are too unreliable. | ||
| You'd never be able to go sideways or on a corner. | ||
| You can do it in a sport track. | ||
| You'd have to go to a track. | ||
| Yeah, it'll be a sport, but not in a place where you can hit a pedestrian or hurt somebody else, you know? | ||
| Of course. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| But that's... | ||
| Yeah, that's amazing. | ||
| That's coming, man. | ||
| It's amazing. | ||
| Those Google guys, oh, they're geniuses. | ||
| Yeah, they're so... | ||
| No one saw them coming. | ||
| I mean, if there was a Skynet, and Skynet wanted to sneak up on society and just sort of integrate itself completely, I mean, it is Google. | ||
| Is there like a website? | ||
| Google is Skynet.com or something like that? | ||
| Yeah, but I think at this point, their ambition of don't be evil is holding so true. | ||
| I love Google, don't get me wrong. | ||
| But I'm saying it's amazing with Google Maps, Google fucking voicemail, and Google Gmail. | ||
| All free. | ||
| Jesus Christ. | ||
| All free. | ||
| Yeah, it's incredible. | ||
| There's a whole book about how everything is dematerializing and it's becoming for free. | ||
| We used to have a camera, but now a camera doesn't exist because it's inside your phone. | ||
| You used to have a notebook to write things down. | ||
| That disappeared because now it's all on your phone. | ||
| Which, by the way... | ||
| Everything is dematerializing and going into your devices. | ||
| Have you seen this new device that's just come out? | ||
| There's a new Droid that came out? | ||
| This Samsung Journal? | ||
| Oh! | ||
| Have you seen this thing? | ||
| The pen one. | ||
| Dude, it's fucking five inches. | ||
| Yeah, it's huge. | ||
| It's the biggest one ever. | ||
| It's like a cross between a tablet and an iPhone. | ||
| Right. | ||
| It's amazing. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Beautiful. | ||
| I bet the battery lasts about 35 seconds. | ||
| On full brightness, you've got about a half a minute. | ||
| It's pretty crazy that the new iPad 3 has the same battery life, but yet the screen's HD. Oh yeah, that's exponential growth right there. | ||
| The battery life on those iPads is amazing. | ||
| They like sold out their first batch already, dude. | ||
| The demand is unprecedented, dude. | ||
| It's pretty shocking how long you can watch a movie on those things. | ||
| You watch three, four movies and you look at it, it's not even like halfway juiced with the battery. | ||
| I can't wait for the iMind. | ||
| You think they're already working on the iMind? | ||
| What is that? | ||
| It'll be like a synthetic mind. | ||
| I don't trust them. | ||
| I can wait for the iCar. | ||
| They need to make cars. | ||
| Oh yeah, iCar. | ||
| They need to make a car. | ||
| Well, they'll do their counterparts who Google self-driving Android cars and then Apple needs its iCar. | ||
| Jesus, how long before we see self-driving cars on the street? | ||
| Very soon. | ||
| I think very soon. | ||
| Because Google already has them driving in California and there's been over 200,000 miles. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They're driving in California right now. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| You could be rear-ended by a fucking machine. | ||
| There's been zero accidents in 200,000 miles. | ||
| Would you want to be the first one, son? | ||
| They map. | ||
| They map three-dimensional maps of what's in front of them. | ||
| Dude, it's insane. | ||
| They can see. | ||
| Like, they can see and they can... | ||
| Notice people walking and they'll adjust accordingly. | ||
| It's insane. | ||
| You know what freaks me out, man? | ||
| Insane. | ||
| We got onto this through the idea of robotics and flying drones. | ||
| What freaks me out is those things that walk that have like 10, 15 legs and you kick them and they adjust. | ||
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Yeah, that one that looks like a dog, dude, that you immediately sympathize with. | |
| What the fuck is that thing, man? | ||
| That's incredible. | ||
| You should have seen the TED Talk. | ||
| The head of DARPA gave a TED Talk, dude, and she was the most poised, elegant, articulate, attractive woman, dude. | ||
| Isn't that the people from Lost? | ||
| DARPA is the Defense Advanced Research Project. | ||
| That's DARMA. DARMA, I know. | ||
| Yeah, I know. | ||
| DARPA. She was amazing. | ||
| She was talking about dreaming the impossible. | ||
| She actually reminded me of Jodie Foster's character in Contact. | ||
| This is really elegant, poised, articulate. | ||
| You actually felt comforted to know that somebody that intelligent-seeming is running DARPA. And her TED Talk was unbelievable. | ||
| What did she talk about? | ||
| She was talking about dreaming the impossible and we have to challenge what is in order to dream about what could be. | ||
| And she's speaking on behalf of the agency that has invented a lot of stuff. | ||
| So it's kind of amazing. | ||
| What have they invented? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| But a lot of stuff that we take care of today. | ||
| Cutting edge stuff. | ||
| Are you sure? | ||
| Pretty sure. | ||
| If you don't know, how can you be sure? | ||
| Because if you read about DARPA all the time, they do the advanced secret research project. | ||
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Wow. | |
| I wonder what they're working on. | ||
| She showed a hypersonic plane. | ||
| We still never got to aliens. | ||
| We didn't get to aliens. | ||
| No, you took me on a crazy journey. | ||
| I took you about Transcension. | ||
| Why we could never see them. | ||
| Fermi's Paradox. | ||
| So you don't think we'll ever see them? | ||
| Only when we build our own black hole and go into it. | ||
| Then we'll meet them at the end of time. | ||
| Because it slingshots you into the future. | ||
| So it's not possible that they could just be roaming through this universe in galactic spaceships? | ||
| No, because if they did that, that would influence our evolution. | ||
| Us discovering them and being influenced by their technology would be influencing our ultimate evolution. | ||
| It would create a butterfly effect. | ||
| And the thing that John Smart says is they wouldn't want to do that because that would be akin to incest. | ||
| To influencing us in some way and then changing how we unfold. | ||
| Okay, devil's advocate. | ||
| This is through our understanding of genetics, right? | ||
| It's not through theirs. | ||
| If they're a thousand or a million years more advanced than us, maybe they know a lot more about how to work that shit. | ||
| Right, and maybe that's why he says they don't get involved. | ||
| So maybe it's not that they would think of it as incest at all, but they've completely gone past the idea of gender. | ||
| And replication by means of sexuality is just what we have to do to make one step from the primate form into the gray, alien, large, almond-shaped eye form. | ||
| They wouldn't want us to replicate their technology? | ||
| Says who? | ||
| There's some sort of thing that will lead to the most diversity, and if we're not influenced by them, there'll be more diversity, because we'll get there ourselves. | ||
| It's just beginning to get me in it. | ||
| Well, the idea, I think... | ||
| Anyway, that's what he says. | ||
| The idea that people really love to share when it comes to wacky alien theories is that aliens have genetically engineered human beings in the first place. | ||
| Well, I mean, you can't unprove that, so that's... | ||
| That's a problem, right? | ||
| You can't unprove leprechauns, bro. | ||
| You know? | ||
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No, no, no! | |
| Why can science... | ||
| Yeah, that's the thing. | ||
| That's the dog thing. | ||
| We're watching this... | ||
| The nuttiest thing about this weird looking robot thing is that it moves, it has sort of like an insect-like leg setup, but if you kick it, it adjusts and it doesn't fall down. | ||
| Yeah, look, it's adjusting to the sand and the water. | ||
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Yeah, totally, dude. | |
| Walking on the beach. | ||
| Yeah, and if that thing starts saying hi to you and smiling and drooling, you would totally fall in love with it. | ||
| You know what I'm seeing? | ||
| Put that thing on one more second. | ||
| You know what I'm saying? | ||
| I'm seeing that thing storm out of the back of a giant battleship and missiles flying off of it. | ||
| That's what I think. | ||
| I think if they make one of those fucking things, they make it to send over to countries. | ||
| Could you imagine a whole army of these motherfuckers heading into your town shooting missiles? | ||
| I'm imagining them as pets for people who are lonely. | ||
| You couldn't strap some rocket launchers on that bitch? | ||
| It's always a double-edged sword. | ||
| I have to admit it's always a double-edged sword. | ||
| But look, what if people start riding them? | ||
| What if people start riding them? | ||
| They become the new horses. | ||
| Yeah, they will become the new horses. | ||
| They'll be our little pets. | ||
| Look, it's wagging its tail. | ||
| It's wagging its tail. | ||
| Don't you feel bad for it when he kicks it? | ||
| You feel bad for it. | ||
| It's so human-like. | ||
| Yeah, but think of how quickly you feel bad for it. | ||
| I do, but what's amazing is this thing adjusted. | ||
| And it seems to be adjusting. | ||
| The movements seem organic. | ||
| Yeah, totally. | ||
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Totally. | |
| We're going to have one of those and we're going to ride them like a goat down the side of a mountain. | ||
| That's what it's going to be. | ||
| You know those crazy goats? | ||
| They're incredibly strong and they can climb up the side of mountains. | ||
| They never complain. | ||
| They never get tired. | ||
| They don't have ache. | ||
| Yeah, but then they probably run on solar power, too. | ||
| Eventually, solar power is going to get to a point where it can power everything, right? | ||
| Of course, dude. | ||
| We get 10,000 times more energy from the sun than we need. | ||
| This fucking thing's slow as shit. | ||
| We just need to get better ways of capturing that energy. | ||
| I'd be pissed. | ||
| If I was riding this stupid thing right now, I'd be like, come on, bitch. | ||
| Free energy. | ||
| That's what the sun gives us, free energy. | ||
| It's too heavy, Brian? | ||
| Yeah, for that, you know, how it's going. | ||
| Oh, wow, it's making it through snow. | ||
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It's fascinating. | |
| That is incredible. | ||
| It's walking through snow. | ||
| It's fascinating. | ||
| And there's a bunch of different designs of them, too. | ||
| I've seen other ones that have many more legs. | ||
| Wow, that's crazy looking. | ||
| This thing's dancing around. | ||
| Robotics, man. | ||
| Robotics is going to be such a huge... | ||
| Well, robotics and AI. Yeah. | ||
| Artificially intelligent robots. | ||
| Jesus Christ, look at that. | ||
| They're down to the bare skeleton of the thing. | ||
| This is incredible stuff, folks. | ||
| I know we're just talking right now, unfortunately, for a lot of you folks that are listening to this on iTunes. | ||
| What should they Google, Brian, so they can watch this? | ||
| This is Boston Dynamics, but it's just a new big dog robot. | ||
| New big dog robot video. | ||
| And it looks like a spider when you're looking. | ||
| Really, it's the one that has 700 plus thousand hits on it. | ||
| It's a must see. | ||
| You need to know. | ||
| Amazing. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, what does the future hold that we're not prepared for? | ||
| What is the next step? | ||
| You know, I mean, the internet, I think, caught most people by surprise. | ||
| Yeah, well, we're in for some... | ||
| Is that a robot dog? | ||
| Oh, my God! | ||
| Brian just put on a robot dog, and this thing is moving around like an animated dog! | ||
| This is insane! | ||
| The thing is, there was a guy at TED that showed his... | ||
| Oh my god, that's insane. | ||
| That dog's insane. | ||
| No, there's going to be more of those kinds of robots, and the more that they interface with us and they look cute, it doesn't matter if they're conscious or not. | ||
| Once they cross a certain kind of... | ||
| Perceptual barrier that we have and they're like, they seem real, we'll start to interface with them as if they are real. | ||
| Well, they're going to be our friends just like your dog. | ||
| You know, when you come home and you have a conversation with my dog, it's a one-way conversation. | ||
| It's a one-way conversation. | ||
| It's just about the feedback. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| And we'll have the same thing with robots, dude. | ||
| Yeah, as long as we can get past the idea that something that's metal and wires and, you know, that that thing can't have some sort of a soul. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Because you're interacting with it. | ||
| You know, if you're interacting with it, as long as it doesn't get needy. | ||
| You'll plant a soul in it. | ||
| What if your fucking computer gets needy? | ||
| It might. | ||
| Well, maybe you might want it to get needy because it'll make you feel like you're important to someone. | ||
| Maybe that's a part of what it's like to have a robot fuck doll. | ||
| That a robot fuck doll, the really good ones, they're really dangerous. | ||
| This bitch might burn your house down. | ||
| You can't fuck other girls. | ||
| She's going to be the best, hottest robot fuck doll ever. | ||
| The robots will give you whatever you want. | ||
| And that's the only way to make it hot. | ||
| The only way to make it hot. | ||
| She has to be super jealous. | ||
| She can't just let you treat her like shit. | ||
| I mean... | ||
| Why aren't you sharing your location services with me? | ||
| She becomes a robot, an angry, psycho, jealous robot. | ||
| And that's the hottest sex you can get. | ||
| And so that's why everybody just accepts it. | ||
| You'll be able to get whatever you want. | ||
| The robots are going to be... | ||
| They'll be Asian robot fuck dolls. | ||
| Don't ask no questions. | ||
| Just take care of business, son! | ||
| Right? | ||
| They'll always be the exotic Asian robot fuck dolls. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, it's interesting. | ||
| We keep talking about all this exotic technology, and it sounds... | ||
| I think we were talking about Asians. | ||
| We're talking about girls, bro. | ||
| It sounds hallucinatory, even though it's very quickly emerging. | ||
| And it just takes you back to that whole thing about computers as the modern version of the psychedelics. | ||
| I just want to say, if you're an Asian girl, I'm just joking around. | ||
| These are just jokes. | ||
| I just throw things out there. | ||
| I don't mean anything by them. | ||
| Okay? | ||
| But what do you think of that? | ||
| Like, To tell Timothy Leary, computers are the LSD of the 90s. | ||
| People took drugs and they're like, we can expand our minds, and now computers expand our minds. | ||
| That relationship is very fascinating to me. | ||
| It's absolutely fascinating. | ||
| Well, right now, just think, what's this interface that's happening right now? | ||
| This is all live. | ||
| Right now, only 2,000 people are synced up live with us, but eventually this feeling of this conversation and these ideas explored are going to branch out to about a half a million people. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So, half a million minds are hearing our thoughts. | ||
| Yeah, and out of that half a million, who knows how many people are going to just, you know, I read this Tony Robbins thing once where he talked about Tony Robbins actually very positive. | ||
| You know, a lot of people think that Tony Robbins is full of shit because he's kind of like made a lot of money. | ||
| Oh, no, I think he's brilliant. | ||
| He's got a lot of very, very good points. | ||
| And one of them was to change your life, to make huge changes, all you need is a small change in the direction. | ||
| And over time, that small change will lead you so far apart of where your initial direction was going. | ||
| It's absolutely true. | ||
| And the idea is that if you have two cars in two parallel lines, and one of them just takes a slight turn to the right, and they keep driving straight. | ||
| The one that's a slight turn to the right is going to be, you know, a hundred miles from now is going to be way the fuck away from that other one. | ||
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Totally. | |
| And that's sometimes really how you have to look at it. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| We especially, I mean, I'm a super impatient person. | ||
| I want things now. | ||
| Me too, man. | ||
| Even when I go to the supermarket, I'm like, you bitches don't have any grass-fed beef. | ||
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Right. | |
| Seriously? | ||
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Right. | |
| But I mean, like... | ||
| How preposterous is it that I think that I can just go to a place and they've killed an animal for me, raised it on grass only, killed an animal, and there's plenty of meat. | ||
| I can feed my family. | ||
| I can stay alive from this food here. | ||
| But you're complaining because they didn't get the shipment of organic meat that day. | ||
| Bitches don't have no grass-fed beef? | ||
| The fuck? | ||
| Well, what about when you're having a Skype conversation with somebody on the other side of the planet, and you're just like, take it for granted that you can see their face, that they can see yours, you know? | ||
| You're talking in real time for free, and then all of a sudden it might freeze. | ||
| You're like, oh, goddammit, it's freezing! | ||
| Why is this freaking computer freezing? | ||
| But think about what you were just enjoying two seconds before, and you totally take it for granted. | ||
| We assimilate, man. | ||
| Hedonic adaptation. | ||
| Yeah, that is what it is. | ||
| It is adaptation. | ||
| It's amazing, though, that we have this urge and this push to make things bigger, faster, quicker. | ||
| And that urge and push is also responsible for one of the reasons why people get accustomed to things and want more. | ||
| Yeah, and you quoted McKenna, and you talked about something about the astonishment, to not give in to the astonishment. | ||
| Yes, to not give in to the astonishment. | ||
| To not give in to it, but definitely seek it out. | ||
| Because I think most people... | ||
| Well, he's talking about DMT, though. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But the truth in DMT. You ever had a DMT experience? | ||
| I have not. | ||
| But don't you think that, for example, it's astonishing that you can do this podcast and reach half a million minds. | ||
| And very rarely does one marvel at the astonishment of the things that occur every day that are miraculous. | ||
| How many hundreds of thousands of aircrafts are flying through the air right now, communicating with one another, flying safely, individuals to other parts of the world. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Right. | ||
| We don't experience that astonishment. | ||
| I don't wake up in astonishment. | ||
| We should. | ||
| Yeah, you're absolutely right. | ||
| I mean, if you had pulled someone out of the caveman era and put him in modern society, it would be just as psychedelic as a lot of peyote trips. | ||
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Yes. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| It'd be so bizarre and outside of what you conceived of just seconds ago as being possible. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You know, you take someone from, you know, a thousand years ago, 500 years ago, a blip in time means nothing to the universe, and then put him in today, or put him in a goddamn movie theater, make him watch Harry Potter and shit his pants. | ||
| Right, shit his pants. | ||
| Can you imagine what a guy would do if he saw a fucking dragon, one of those Harry Potter dragons blowing fire out, flying through the fire? | ||
| He would just dive on the ground screaming in horror. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And that is so amazing. | ||
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It's amazing. | |
| And the fact that that is. | ||
| Like, we wake up in the morning, we don't think about that, because that just is. | ||
| We're on to the next thing. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| We're done and on to the next thing to be looking forward to or to be complaining about. | ||
| And maybe that's the part of our evolutionary makeup that makes us always probe the boundaries of the adjacent possible and always want to keep pushing. | ||
| Because maybe if we were in astonishment of all we've done, we wouldn't keep progressing. | ||
| We're obsessed with innovation. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Human beings are obsessed with innovation. | ||
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Yes. | |
| I mean, you know, every year sports cars get faster. | ||
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Yes. | |
| You know, we're getting to a point right now where like regular cars are doing like race track numbers. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's insane. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Even though we have speed limits, even though we have that. | ||
| Like we still push the performance to its limits. | ||
| I'm fascinated by sports cars just because I'm fascinated by extreme engineering. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I'm fascinated by the idea that there's a bunch of people out there that are trying to get something that handles faster, has better geometry, moves better, sticks. | ||
| And the newest Porsche 911 goes around the track as fast as the 996 Cup car. | ||
| So the Nürburgring, which is like this really twisty, turny track in Germany, A really high-end sports car can go around it today at about 7 minutes, 30 seconds, 7 minutes, 40 seconds. | ||
| That's like a 911, you know, like a real high-end car. | ||
| That's what race cars would do just a decade earlier. | ||
| So it's getting to this crazy point where regular modern street cars are like fucking cup cars. | ||
| And how much faster do you need these fucking things? | ||
| Like, you know, the Bugatti Veyron, they have a Bugatti Veyron. | ||
| It's like a thousand fucking horsepower! | ||
| Yeah, but we do it just to do it, man. | ||
| That's crazy! | ||
| Just to see how much complexity we can pack into it, how much performance we can get out of it. | ||
| It's like modern jet engines, dude, operate at half the temperature of the surface of the sun. | ||
| The core of a modern jet engine. | ||
| Jesus Christ. | ||
| I mean, it's insane, okay? | ||
| It spins at 500 miles. | ||
| I mean, I don't remember the speed, but jet engines are really feats of engineering. | ||
| I mean, it's dazzling. | ||
| I mean, you know, everyone's scared of flying. | ||
| Jesus Christ, there's 30,000 flights a day and nothing happens. | ||
| It's incredible. | ||
| It's so safe. | ||
| It's amazing. | ||
| It's so safe. | ||
| Yeah, but the way you go is so terrifying. | ||
| Just slamming into the fucking rainforest. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Well, that's why I love Virgin America so much, dude, because they got brand new planes. | ||
| They really rock. | ||
| Brand new, state-of-the-art fleet. | ||
| Well, because most other airlines in this country have fleets that are 20 to 25 to 30 years old. | ||
| Dude, you're scaring the fuck out of me right now. | ||
| I need to go on Virgin America. | ||
| Listen, that doesn't make them any less safe. | ||
| These planes are still certified and well-maintained. | ||
| Nonetheless, on Virgin America, you're getting a brand new fleet of shiny state-of-the-art aircraft with the best of everything with internet. | ||
| No, you're not getting a brand new pilot. | ||
| He's even saying, dude, We're good to go. | ||
| The same general principles, but the engines are far more reliable and far more advanced than they were before. | ||
| When did they start getting much better? | ||
| Oh, well, the same Moore's Law that applies in computers. | ||
| I mean, the engineering of a modern jet engine in the computers. | ||
| But aren't a lot of these jets from, like, the 1970s and 1980s? | ||
| Well, no, they make revisions that are pretty much like entire new models. | ||
| Do they change the engines? | ||
| They change everything. | ||
| Yeah, iPhone 1 will work, as long as you don't update the software. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Right? | ||
| But it's kind of interesting, though. | ||
| It's more fun to go on the new ones. | ||
| They have far more technology in them. | ||
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
| You know that robot dog? | ||
| You know what that's going to be in the future? | ||
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What? | |
| Check the screen out right here. | ||
| How crazy is this? | ||
| Somebody posted this on your message board, but... | ||
| Hold on. | ||
| Episode 2, Attack of the Clones. | ||
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No, no, no. | |
| Here we go. | ||
| Oh, my God. | ||
| Is that real? | ||
| Oh, that augmented reality placed in there or what? | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| But they're AT-ATs, you know, from Star Wars. | ||
| Those robot dogs are the exact same thing as an AT-AT. Right. | ||
| No, dude, you're totally right. | ||
| I mean, it looks exactly the same. | ||
| Oh, so what is that? | ||
| That's just they added that? | ||
| Yeah, somebody just put a funny video together. | ||
| Yeah, well, that's amazing. | ||
| You're totally right. | ||
| Yeah, that's exactly what it is. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's fascinating. | ||
| There's Brian's stupid fucking cat clock. | ||
| How dare you? | ||
| Oh, is that the cat clock? | ||
| Yeah, that's the famous cat clock. | ||
| He likes cats. | ||
| He likes things to meow. | ||
| Future of medicine, man. | ||
| Are you excited about that? | ||
| Yeah, well, I'm excited about the idea of keeping people alive long enough to figure out some really crazy shit. | ||
| The idea of people staying long enough to overpopulate the planet kind of freaks me out, though. | ||
| Yeah, well, I think that most people cluster around only like 3% of the surface of the world, which is city-states, like big cities. | ||
| Yeah, the world is still mostly empty space, and it's mostly water, and technology is more like a resource-liberating mechanism, because scarcity is just contextual. | ||
| Things are only scarce until you create technology that makes them into things that are abundant. | ||
| People talk about... | ||
| Water wars, but the minute... | ||
| So you're not worried at all about overpopulation? | ||
| No, man. | ||
| Not at all. | ||
| In fact, the more developed and educated people become, and in developed nations, the rate of having children goes down significantly. | ||
| McKenna has no... | ||
| The best cure against overpopulation is to educate and empower people and put more technology into their hands. | ||
| But also, um... | ||
| Also, desalinization, for example. | ||
| Once we perfect that technology, this is called a blue planet. | ||
| It's a water planet. | ||
| It's mostly water. | ||
| It just needs to be converted. | ||
| Do they have anything right now that can do the widespread? | ||
| Israel has a lot of desalinization plans. | ||
| They've just got to get more advanced, just like solar panels. | ||
| It's just exponential growth. | ||
| Once they hit the tipping point where it's actually cheaper to use those technologies than to do it the other way, then it'll become the main thing. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Desalinization. | ||
| That's going to be intense. | ||
| You need to incentivize people to innovate. | ||
| We're such cunts, though, we'll probably dry out the fucking ocean. | ||
| We'll probably pull all the water out of the ocean. | ||
| No, I don't think we were. | ||
| Could you imagine, though, if we're so greedy, we use up all the water in the ocean? | ||
| I mean, nobody predicted that we would have polluted the ocean the way we have in just 100 years. | ||
| I mean, we've done an incredible job of fucking out the ocean. | ||
| We'll do nanotechnology, we'll create synthetic biology, algae that eats the plastic, and we'll, yes... | ||
| Where's the evidence of that ever having taken place in the past? | ||
| When have we ever fixed anything? | ||
| There's an X-Prize contest that the X-Prize is doing to come to something with plastics, technology to clean up oil spills or something like that. | ||
| Yeah, like bacteria that eats plastic. | ||
| Something like that. | ||
| What it is, they create incentive by offering these prizes, like $10 million prizes, and teams around the world will spend $100 million to win a $10 million prize because of the prestige and because of the legacy. | ||
| Isn't that where a swamp is? | ||
| Swamp Thing came from. | ||
| For what? | ||
| Swamp Thing. | ||
| Remember the Marvel Comics Swamp Thing? | ||
| From a contest? | ||
| No, no. | ||
| From pouring some biological shit to eat up some... | ||
| Maybe I'm inventing it. | ||
| Oh, I don't know. | ||
| Maybe it's another comic book hero. | ||
| For example, the XPRIZE, they were the ones that did the $10 million XPRIZE for space, which became Virgin Galactic. | ||
| Well, they have one now to create a device that's the size of an iPhone called a Tricorder. | ||
| $10 million so you can make a device that you can spit on or you can put your blood on and that will diagnose you with the equivalent of 10 certified doctors with greater accuracy than 10 certified doctors. | ||
| I swear to God, this is their new contest. | ||
| This is their net $2 million, $10 million prize that they just put out. | ||
| Tricorder XPRIZE. Is it possible to do that? | ||
| Of course it's going to be possible. | ||
| They already have things that you can put on your iPhone that you can spit on that will measure and analyze your fluids. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah, they already have that. | ||
| You spit on your iPhone and it gives you information. | ||
| What's it called? | ||
| I have no idea, but people can Google spitting on your iPhone medical device. | ||
| Wow, I never heard of that. | ||
| That's amazing. | ||
| That stuff is going to get a lot faster because now that biology is becoming information, biology is an information technology, we're going to see the same progress. | ||
| Well, it is so cool when you have contests for good along those lines, like with XPRIZE and the fact that they would come up with something along that. | ||
| Yeah, they're brilliant. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I mean, I would love to believe you. | ||
| I'd love to believe that someone's going to eventually figure out a way to get rid of that giant patch of garbage that's in the Pacific Ocean. | ||
| We shall. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| We shall. | ||
| That's a big issue, huh? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, people talk about that a lot. | ||
| They're very concerned. | ||
| Although it's not actually like the size of a country as people have said. | ||
| I think it's the size of Texas. | ||
| I don't think it actually is physically the size of Texas. | ||
| Well, I think that they're so small. | ||
| No, I think the... | ||
| You know how it is. | ||
| It's all caught in the current. | ||
| There's like a vortex. | ||
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Really? | |
| And that's where all the garbage piles up. | ||
| And all the garbage... | ||
| I'll look at it right now. | ||
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Okay. | |
| Let me Google this real quick. | ||
| Powerful Google. | ||
| Pacific Ocean garbage patch. | ||
| Pacific Ocean. | ||
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Oh, it's fucking huge. | |
| Holy shit. | ||
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Wow. - No. | |
| Although many media and advocacy reports have suggested that the patch extends over an area larger than the continental US, recent research sponsored by the National Science Foundation suggests that the affected area may be twice the size of Hawaii. | ||
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Wow. | |
| That's fucking big. | ||
| But that's not the size of Texas. | ||
| I'm pretty confident that we will create nanotechnology that will literally eat up the garbage. | ||
| That's how we'll fix it. | ||
| But then when it runs out of garbage, then it'll be hungry. | ||
| And then it becomes swamp thing. | ||
| It doesn't want to die, man. | ||
| It doesn't want to die. | ||
| Isn't that like the premise to a lot of comic book monsters? | ||
| It's a double-edged sword. | ||
| Fuck that is. | ||
| We better come up with a way to kill those things before we feed them plastic. | ||
| Well, yes. | ||
| Look, it's important to look at all the possible uses of technology for good and for bad. | ||
| That's why the conversation needs to be had, though. | ||
| Let me ask you this. | ||
| The progress is not stopping. | ||
| I think if we paint beautiful pictures of how things could be, we inspire the people to make sure that that's what we actualize. | ||
| Absolutely, I completely agree with you. | ||
| And I think, you know, the way you're doing it in videos and online is really cool, and it's very positive. | ||
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Thanks, buddy. | |
| Well, the way you're doing it is amazing. | ||
| But my question to you is, what if we saw kangaroos evolving? | ||
| What if we saw kangaroos, they had found some flower, there was a psychedelic flower, they started eating it, and kangaroos started building houses, and whittling weapons and shit like that, and we saw some kangaroos welding, we saw some welding, Would we allow that shit? | ||
| You think we'd go in and kick the kangaroos' asses and go, get the fuck out of here with your armor? | ||
| What, bitch? | ||
| We might make other animals smarter. | ||
| Who knows? | ||
| Do you think so? | ||
| We might give them sanctions. | ||
| But then we'd be battling for resources. | ||
| I think we would just jack them. | ||
| No, because, no. | ||
| We don't even want Iran to have nuclear power. | ||
| What if the kangaroos came up with the nukes before Iran? | ||
| What if kangaroos just started fucking being really super smart, man? | ||
| Yeah, well, but I don't think that the resources will be an issue, because we'll be harnessing this matter and energy from the whole galaxy. | ||
| There's an infinity of resources. | ||
| You say that, but what if an asteroid lands in Australia, right near where the kangaroos are, and some spores from this asteroid contain a never-before-seen mushroom that rapidly accelerates evolution, and within, like, a hundred years, they surpass us, and then kangaroos are smarter than us. | ||
| What do you do then, Brian? | ||
| What are you going to do with your fucking cat clock? | ||
| I'll create a time machine and take the words what if out of the dictionary. | ||
| Well, then I'm going to take a time machine and take the word like out and you won't ever be able to say anything. | ||
| Whatever. | ||
| Whatever, bitch. | ||
| Listen, I believe that you are absolutely convinced that someone's going to come up with this. | ||
| I just don't know if I agree with you. | ||
| Well, I see it happening, man. | ||
| You see this? | ||
| What is the current plans to fix this now? | ||
| To fix which... | ||
| The garbage patch that we were talking about? | ||
| Yeah, well, they're talking about creating some kind of algae or bacteria that eats the plastic. | ||
| I think one of the big guys of synthetic biology is Craig Venter, who also spoke at the Singularity University thing. | ||
| And he was seeing in terms of the future of fuels and the future of cleaning up chemicals and absolutely going to be using synthetic biology. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because we can program life to do whatever we want. | ||
| It's just like we can use language to describe anything. | ||
| We can just author instructions. | ||
| And here you have software that writes its own hardware. | ||
| See, that's the thing about programmable life, unlike computers. | ||
| You write the code, the code manufactures its own phenotype. | ||
| Right? | ||
| Because life, the genes, determine its physical attributes. | ||
| So the software writes its own hardware into existence. | ||
| That's what's really exciting about synthetic biology and programmable life. | ||
| Especially if you give some artificial intelligence access to 3D computers and 3D printers. | ||
| Dude, absolutely. | ||
| Things are going to get crazy. | ||
| Unlimited intelligence, unlimited intelligence that replicates itself, and 3D printers. | ||
| But just the concept of 3D printers, having it aware of, oh, now I can improve upon this design of 3D printers. | ||
| With trillions of time more RAM than our brain. | ||
| Yeah, and instantaneously. | ||
| Well, you know what Henry Miller said. | ||
| One year is like 10,000 years of progress. | ||
| And we need to believe that it's coming, man. | ||
| Henry Miller said, the day that men cease to believe that they will one day become gods, then they will surely become worms. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| That was Henry Miller. | ||
| So he says, believe. | ||
| Mankind, you know, going from ape to Superman, you know, smack in the middle in a trajectory between the born and the made. | ||
| That's where we are, man. | ||
| Yeah, we're in this weird stage. | ||
| We're in the middle. | ||
| Yeah, this weird stage where we're sort of conscious and we're aware. | ||
| We're also animalistic and jealous and weird and savage, horny. | ||
| We're going to turn ourselves into the most beautiful artwork we've ever made, man. | ||
| You really think so? | ||
| I definitely do. | ||
| Or the aliens land first. | ||
| Or the aliens land first. | ||
| So you don't believe that societies ever get to the point where they travel from one place to another land and affect things? | ||
| That doesn't... | ||
| No, I think that they do, but the transcension hypothesis says that by the time maybe they reach the edge of the solar system or the edge of the galaxy, at that point, all the density goes back and it goes inwards into the nanoscale. | ||
| So it's kind of like we... | ||
| The complexity kind of goes into itself and... | ||
| It makes a black hole and disappears from the visible universe. | ||
| Is it possible that what we're dealing with? | ||
| People should look up the Transcension Hypothesis because it'll probably explain much better than I can. | ||
| But isn't it possible that what you're dealing with is something that's here all the time but it's in another dimension? | ||
| Hyperdimension, string theory, yeah. | ||
| I mean, that is addressed in that article, yeah. | ||
| So you could even go back to McKenna and say, oh, so when McKenna talks about hyperdimensional beings, well, the Transcension Hypothesis says essentially our minds, yes, will break through the visible universe into other dimensions. | ||
| It's like crazy stuff, except it's like written by an academic scholar. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So no aliens and flying saucers, just landing. | ||
| Yeah, that's what he says. | ||
| He says, well, yeah, we'll go to other planets, but that's like early stage stuff. | ||
| Like going to other planets over the next like 50 years, you know, that's early stage. | ||
| So if we ever get invaded, we're essentially being invaded by young punks. | ||
| The really high level aliens wouldn't bother invading us. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| Totally. | ||
| You know, every time we do that, the microphone picks it up. | ||
| Sorry, man. | ||
| It's fine. | ||
| It's good. | ||
| But, you know, someone's going to be upset. | ||
| I'm sensitive because people always complain. | ||
| I used to chew gum. | ||
| Can't chew gum on the mic anymore. | ||
| People are like, dude, you're fucking sipping. | ||
| Can't sip drinks. | ||
| If you get up here and go, people get mad. | ||
| I guess what you've got to think of is that's the reason why we put headphones on. | ||
| We would easily do this conversation. | ||
| But if you were in the gym right now, you would hear that. | ||
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| Sorry, Jim. | ||
| No, please. | ||
| Sorry. | ||
| Sorry, everybody. | ||
| Just wanted to keep everybody happy. | ||
| This is all incredible stuff, and I guess it all could come true and come to fruition as long as we don't fuck it up or as long as some gigantic natural disaster doesn't happen as well, right? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Do you ever take any care or in consideration? | ||
| Well, yeah. | ||
| Supervolcanoes, shit like that. | ||
| I think, look, we have to be paying attention and we have to be cautious and we have to be vigilant as we transition towards what promises to be the most exciting time in human history. | ||
| I mean, we're already living in the most exciting time in human history, but let's not lose focus. | ||
| Let's address the grand challenges of humanity. | ||
| We've never had such tools with which to do so. | ||
| And I think it's like an opportunity for us to pool our mental cognitive surpluses together and fix shit. | ||
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
| Do you think we'll ever get to the point where we can avoid asteroids? | ||
| Sure. | ||
| You think so? | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Shoot them down. | ||
| Yeah, we'll get to that. | ||
| Shoot them down, you think? | ||
| Shoot them down with lasers. | ||
| A single laser would blow it up. | ||
| Everything is turning into Star Wars. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| You really think the enemy will do that, though? | ||
| I mean, some asteroids are miles wide. | ||
| We already have lasers that are pretty powerful. | ||
| I mean... | ||
| And send nuclear weapons to them like in the movie Sunshine. | ||
| Well, no, the issue with that is actually that it makes it worse because what happens is instead of one big impact, you have hundreds of thousands of impacts. | ||
| Little ones. | ||
| Well, they're not even little. | ||
| You know, you don't need anything that big to make that giant crater in Nevada. | ||
| You know, it's one of the weird things about all planets. | ||
| I mean, every planet we find is littered with impacts. | ||
| You know, we live in a very volatile solar system. | ||
| Well, we've been inhabiting the Goldilocks space for the Goldilocks amount of time. | ||
| We've just been very, very lucky. | ||
| Like I said, we've been talking about this. | ||
| All of our progress, man, is a blink of a blink of a blink of a blink of a blink in terms of cosmic time. | ||
| So it's like, it's not that we've... | ||
| I mean, we're lucky, yeah, but it hasn't been that much time that has passed. | ||
| You know, give a couple million years and the inevitability of getting hit is coming. | ||
| That's why we've got to progress so that we can thwart that. | ||
| Well, they just found a very recent evidence of an impact, a big one, about 13,000 years ago. | ||
| And what's really fascinating about that is all the ancient history theorists all point to that point in time as one being the end of the Ice Age, like around that time, the end of the Pleistocene, and also that's when a lot of people point to the possibility of like an ancient civilization like Egypt falling apart and then rebuilding in the same area. | ||
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Sure, sure, sure, sure. | |
| You know, when they hypothesize that something went wrong, it's always around 10,000, 12,000, 13,000, somewhere around there. | ||
| Like these cycles? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Yeah, well, the idea is that, you know, human life on this planet, like the reason why there's the myth of Atlantis and the myth of, you know, Noah and the Ark and the epic of Gilgamesh is that there's all these giant disasters just that frequently hit, you know, and, you know, if something hit us today... | ||
| We're wired to look for danger, man. | ||
| That's the only way we survive. | ||
| So cautionary tales embedded in our culture are just alarm systems. | ||
| And it's kind of a race. | ||
| I mean, it's kind of a race between technology, awareness, progress, and the ability to at least predict and prepare slightly for natural disasters. | ||
| But some of them, like caldera volcanoes and things along those lines, this is nothing you can do, man. | ||
| It's just nothing you can do. | ||
| When it goes, it goes. | ||
| Unless you can figure out a way to throw some ice cubes on the On the lava. | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| Keep it from fucking blowing sky high. | ||
| Nanotechnology is the only way I think that could be addressed, you know? | ||
| That really is the craziest technology. | ||
| I mean, self-replicating things in a nanoscale. | ||
| So do you think that you'd be able to throw those into the lava and they would somehow or another chill everybody the fuck out? | ||
| Yeah, change the structure of the molecular structure of the lava. | ||
| What if that fucking freezes up the planet and turns us into another ice age? | ||
| Jesus Christ, Jason Salva, what are you doing? | ||
| The butterfly effect issue is always... | ||
| Yeah, it is, right? | ||
| We don't know. | ||
| Well, no, we'll have supercomputers that can map out every possible possibility, trillions of times more than we can map out different scenarios in our heads. | ||
| So those AIs will be able to pick the best scenario. | ||
| They'll make mathematical projections. | ||
| It'll be like, okay, there's a billion and one probabilities of... | ||
| This is the best one. | ||
| Let's do it. | ||
| You spend so much time thinking about the future and thinking about all these possibilities. | ||
| Is it possible that when you do this, or is it difficult when you do this, not to ignore the present? | ||
| Is it like sort of a normal thing to sort of ignore the present, where you're concentrating entirely on what the human race is going to accomplish? | ||
| Well, I think that... | ||
| You know how they say that. | ||
| I didn't disphrase that very well, but you know what I mean. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| We always talk about how human beings need a purpose. | ||
| A purpose by its very nature implies a reason to look forward. | ||
| So we can't help but look to the future. | ||
| It's what we do. | ||
| So your purpose is to create a purpose and to put the idea of purpose into people's heads. | ||
| What gives me a sense of purpose is a collective feeling that like, wow, humanity has this unique opportunity to sort of map its road Beautifully. | ||
| And we all have a way of participating in that. | ||
| And what a wonderful sense of collective purpose. | ||
| It's more interesting to me than like, oh, well, my purpose is to become or get this job or do this thing. | ||
| It's like, yeah, I want to get this job and do this thing just like everybody else because I want to survive. | ||
| But I'm in the mood for cosmic purpose, cosmic significance. | ||
| You're a cosmic dick slinger. | ||
| Did I say that? | ||
| It's the same reason that religion always appealed to people, for the same reason that man can live for a few weeks without food, a few days without water, but not for a second without hope. | ||
| It's just the human condition. | ||
| The minute we lose hope, we commit suicide. | ||
| Not the minute. | ||
| Sometimes you could really suffer for years before you pull the plug. | ||
| But when you lose complete hope, you might not even wait around. | ||
| If you're waiting around, it becomes you have a little bit of thinking that things might turn around. | ||
| So I think it's important. | ||
| I think it's important to look forward. | ||
| I think it's huge. | ||
| I think it's the only thing that propels our progress anyway, because if we were in a stupefied lull staying in the present, we wouldn't do anything. | ||
| Yeah, of course. | ||
| What do you see happening in your lifetime? | ||
| I mean, we are right now in 2012. This is supposed to be, if you're Paying attention to Time Wave Zero novelty theory that's supposed to be when the shit hits the fan. | ||
| You know what I found recently? | ||
| I've talked about this recently, but I wanted to bring it up with you because I know you're a McKenna fan as well. | ||
| He altered the end date to coincide with the end date of the Mayan calendar. | ||
| Yeah, maybe he was of the people that believe that by creating a social movement around these ideas, you more quickly actualize those ideas. | ||
| People were so upset at me for bringing this up, but somebody posted it on my message board, and then I went and read, and apparently his initial calculations was November. | ||
| November of 2012. And then he moved it to December? | ||
| Moving to December 21st, which is the, you know, the end date of the long count. | ||
| But then somebody brought up the other day, there was like an internet meme going around where, you know, calculate leap years. | ||
| Did the Mayans calculate leap years? | ||
| Because if they didn't, you know, all this shit all happened 700 years ago. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, the specifics, I have no idea what the science is. | ||
| I think what's interesting is that if you create a viral swell, 10 times the scale of the Joseph Kony video, with some beautifully produced message about how mankind is using technology to create a global brain and address the problems of humanity, and it's seen by a billion people by December on YouTube, then the idea becomes reality, because this is what we've been talking about. | ||
| Ideas are just as real as the neurons that they inhabit. | ||
| So that's what's crazy. | ||
| It's a self-fulfilling prophecy. | ||
| The Joseph Kony video, we talked about this, but I remember when it hit Twitter, when I saw it starting to appear in my timeline, I started thinking, wow, what's going to happen here? | ||
| This seems like a very orchestrated campaign. | ||
| And the idea to make a terrible person very famous so that he's a target. | ||
| More vilified more, yeah. | ||
| What a genius idea. | ||
| And that really is just sort of tapping into potential. | ||
| Tapping into, which no one else has done before. | ||
| No one else has ever done that about a terrible person. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| No, no, it's very... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's interesting. | ||
| It's so interesting. | ||
| It's brilliant. | ||
| And just the use of media and understanding its power and applying it for savvy social impact. | ||
| What are the criticisms of this Coney video? | ||
| Because I know there's a few... | ||
| No, the criticism I think has to do specifically with the non-profit... | ||
| But look, again, that's something, that's a whole other conversation. | ||
| We're not experts and we don't know the facts. | ||
| But I think what's interesting is what they've made with the video and what that video means about the future of how messages get spread. | ||
| That we're seeing, we all realize, we all know where we were when the Kony video hit. | ||
| It's one of those things where it's like something has changed here. | ||
| And we're all aware that, okay, this is a new paradigm. | ||
| It's a paradigm shift. | ||
| It's a paradigm shift. | ||
| You know what's really fascinating is Obama, the Obama campaign is releasing, this is where they're so social media, brilliant, savvy, they understand aesthetics in that campaign. | ||
| They had the director of an inconvenient truth Is about to release a documentary. | ||
| So like a well-made film about Obama. | ||
| And that's going to be part of their campaign media materials. | ||
| So instead of like an ad, like a normal attack ad like the other guys are doing, these guys are releasing a film made by a talented filmmaker. | ||
| I mean, the brilliance of that. | ||
| And that's probably going to go ridiculously viral. | ||
| That's the best campaign video you could have ever done. | ||
| When is that going to come out? | ||
| I don't know the dates, but people should Google the new Obama. | ||
| They just released a trailer. | ||
| I wonder if it's going to be free or like Louis C.K. I wonder if it's going to be like a Kim Kardashian reality TV show where you know that they've created artificial scenarios to move the plot along. | ||
| Yeah, like Obama's... | ||
| Alright, Obama, we got you at a car wash now. | ||
| Obama's like, Mexican food? | ||
| I don't want Mexican food! | ||
| Now, you're going to be washing the car. | ||
| Could you imagine if they actually did it, they'd produce it like a reality show? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Would that be the most ridiculous shit ever? | ||
| I haven't seen it. | ||
| I wonder what it's going to be. | ||
| Something tells me it's going to be a well-made film with beautiful music and beautiful cinematography. | ||
| Well, it'd be nice to see him talk outside of that fake sort of, I'm giving a speech voice. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, exactly. | ||
| It should be like a documentary that followed him and you get the behind the scenes moment. | ||
| Well, the fake I'm giving a speech voice is very disturbing because it's too smooth, it's not real, it's too polished, it's not, you know, I know it's prepared and beaten down. | ||
| I don't want that out of a leader. | ||
| What I want out of a leader is I want to know that this is you. | ||
| This isn't I'm being a strip club DJ. This isn't I'm the AM morning guy on the zoo. | ||
| Coming up next! | ||
| The same fucking voice. | ||
| When you hear a man give a speech. | ||
| There's that way of talking that is so goddamn fake it should be illegal. | ||
| They should be able to stop you from making campaigns In speeches and stop you and go, you can't talk like that. | ||
| It'll be interesting to see how it comes across. | ||
| And speaking of politicians, did you see the HBO movie about Game Change? | ||
| What is it? | ||
| What's Game Change? | ||
| It's about the McCain. | ||
| Oh, about Sarah Palin? | ||
| Yeah, when he picked his running name. | ||
| I can't watch anymore Sarah Palin stuff. | ||
| Well, Julianne Moore was so good in it, dude. | ||
| She's pretty hot. | ||
| She looks just like her. | ||
| Yeah, but the film is so upsetting. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Well, because it shows you the theater of what a lot of politics has become. | ||
| And also how obsolete it is. | ||
| How accurate is it? | ||
| How accurate is the conversations? | ||
| I mean, it's all been doctored up for fucking dramatic effect. | ||
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| You need to see it, man. | ||
| When they bookend conversations and shit. | ||
| You still get the message. | ||
| You still get the idea of the reasons that she was put there and her lack of experience. | ||
| Well, that became painful. | ||
| Right, but here it's presented in a, you know, the way it would be like a film scholar, you know, explaining something to you. | ||
| Well, to me, it just illustrates how wonky the system is. | ||
| That could even be an option. | ||
| How could that be an option, exactly? | ||
| Why do we as a society would allow something like that? | ||
| Well, you know, it's what I've always said, is the real problem is that there's really fucking dumb people out there, a lot of them, and they get to vote too. | ||
| And the problem with dumb people is they don't know they're dumb. | ||
| So when they see someone like Sarah Palin, who may not be the smartest person in the world, but she's way smarter than them, they can't distinguish between her and Stephen Hawking. | ||
| When Neil Tyson speaks, he sounds just as brilliant as Sarah Palin, because they're both way out of their fucking league. | ||
| Most people can barely string together a sentence. | ||
| And so these are the people that cling to her because she represents simplicity. | ||
| She represents good old-fashioned things and hunting and family and God. | ||
| There's a safe danger with her. | ||
| She's dangerous, but she's also familiar. | ||
| So maybe that's why. | ||
| But like, fuck. | ||
| I feel like today, man, if you have access to the internet, you have no excuse not to be on Khan Academy. | ||
| You have no excuse not to be watching TED Talks. | ||
| You have no excuse not to saturate your brain with knowledge. | ||
| It's not like there's no books around. | ||
| Every book that's ever been written is an internet click away. | ||
| And I feel like ignorance is inexcusable these days if you have an internet connection. | ||
| So it's kind of like... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| It feels like... | ||
| The tools are there, but it's up to us how we use them. | ||
| It's going back to the same message, and I think people really need to get on this, right? | ||
| They need to get on this. | ||
| The representative government idea has got to go. | ||
| That's not necessary anymore. | ||
| We can all instantly communicate with the government. | ||
| We can instantly decide what we agree with or don't agree with. | ||
| We can have our voices heard already. | ||
| The idea that we have senators and congressmen, and they're in this position where they get to vote for their districts. | ||
| Shut the fuck up. | ||
| Fascinating idea. | ||
| That's a ridiculous idea. | ||
| See, everybody looks at democracy as if you get a say, you get to vote. | ||
| You don't get a say in shit. | ||
| You get a say in who you pick, who gets you in a position. | ||
| Democracy needs to come online, man. | ||
| 100% needs to be revamped. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They need to throw out all representation. | ||
| The internet needs to vote on new constitutional amendments. | ||
| And there should be people who have jobs. | ||
| But those jobs are to carry out the will of the people. | ||
| Not to represent the people. | ||
| The people can represent themselves now. | ||
| When is somebody going to make a Joseph Kony-style video about legalizing marijuana? | ||
| And if people say, Click here and play this to say yes. | ||
| And if it gets a billion views, they'll have to legalize it. | ||
| You can already see. | ||
| Just Google The Union, man. | ||
| Go watch the movie The Union, The Business Behind Getting High. | ||
| It's a documentary that I was involved in that my friend Adam Skorgy produced. | ||
| It was like four or five years ago at least that we did this. | ||
| It's one of the best documentaries on the reality behind the illegalization of marijuana and the reality behind how big of a business it is and how many fucking people use it. | ||
| Dude, I have members in my family that benefit from its medicinal use and they benefit immensely. | ||
| It's been like a miracle for my aunt. | ||
| Well, it's one of those plants, one of those substances, one of those elements of our culture and society that if you were, again, if you were looking at life as a work of fiction, if life was a movie and there was some plant in the movie that was incredibly beneficial... | ||
| culture, not just to instilling a sense of camaraderie in people, not just for making you inquisitive, a turbocharger for your imagination, making sex feel better, not just all of these things. | ||
| But then it creates a superior fiber that you can make clothes out of that's way more durable than cotton. | ||
| It makes a much more superior paper and you can put it in an area and in four months it can be ready to process, whereas it takes fucking years to grow trees in the same area. | ||
| Plus it outproduces the trees in the same acreage by something like four to one. | ||
| I mean, it's amazing. | ||
| It has the amino acids that you can live off of. | ||
| You can use it to make fuel. | ||
| You can make hemp oil. | ||
| It becomes productive. | ||
| Preposterous. | ||
| Preposterous. | ||
| But imagine a video that's slickly produced like the Coney video that gets a billion views. | ||
| Well, let's do it. | ||
| Let's do it. | ||
| You and me, dude. | ||
| It's 10 minutes. | ||
| Did you hear about the new bill? | ||
| It's your specialty. | ||
| We'll pump it up on Twitter. | ||
| Did I hear about what? | ||
| There's a new bill in California, a DUI bill, that they're going to make it zero tolerance DUI if you have any weed in your system or any marijuana. | ||
| And marijuana usually stays in your system. | ||
| Six weeks. | ||
| How could they do that? | ||
| That's like punishing you for being drunk two days ago. | ||
| So it would pretty much make anyone that smokes weed... | ||
| Well, that's silly. | ||
| They'd have to get a urine test from you. | ||
| You wouldn't be able to blow it. | ||
| That's what they would be allowed to do if they pulled you over. | ||
| Oh, that's so ridiculous. | ||
| The real problem with that is that science is not the same. | ||
| Marijuana does not treat people or it doesn't affect people the same way that alcohol does, period. | ||
| I'm not saying you should go out and get high and drive around, but I'm saying some people can drive high and they're fine, and that is a fact. | ||
| You might not want to address it because it seems like it's a taboo subject and people want to dance around it. | ||
| It is not getting drunk. | ||
| Getting drunk is something that really severely impairs your ability to operate machines, your ability to walk, your coordination. | ||
| They're very different things. | ||
| Very, very, very different. | ||
| And still, it's not a good idea to be in any altered state of consciousness while you're responsible for other people's lives. | ||
| No, that's why we get the self-driving cars. | ||
| That's why the Google self-driving cars are so perfect. | ||
| So you can be baked as fuck in your Google car. | ||
| Just your Google car could be cheese and chong to the max. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Just completely filled with smoke. | ||
| So they open up those side going doors. | ||
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Why not? | |
| Google self-driving cars. | ||
| And everybody gets a contact high. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And it'll be the self-driving car. | ||
| It's perfectly safe. | ||
| The computer doesn't get high. | ||
| Dude, you're a Google fanboy a little bit, right? | ||
| I'm kind of a fan of anybody who's pushing the boundaries of the possible, dude. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| I'm a Google fan, boy. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| I'm Lycos all the way. | ||
| Whoa, bro. | ||
| I'm Netflix. | ||
| Netflix search. | ||
| People have the courage to dream. | ||
| What was the other one? | ||
| Netscape. | ||
| No, goddammit. | ||
| Netscape. | ||
| That's your browser. | ||
| Remember Netscape? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Netscape search? | ||
| You should do an internet search. | ||
| Yeah, there was like a search part of it, I think. | ||
| Does that make sense? | ||
| I thought it was always a browser. | ||
| I didn't know they had it. | ||
| Well, there was a... | ||
| What were the earliest search engines before Google? | ||
| There wasn't the first. | ||
| No, the search engines? | ||
| Webcrawler? | ||
| Alta Vista. | ||
| I remember Alta Vista. | ||
| I remember Alta Vista. | ||
| Hotbot. | ||
| Hotbot, I don't remember. | ||
| Lycos. | ||
| I remember Lycos. | ||
| MSN. So how did those go away, and how did Google just storm the beach and just take over? | ||
| They out-innovated, man. | ||
| Is that what it is? | ||
| Out-innovated is like natural selection. | ||
| It's like winning. | ||
| It's like winning the game. | ||
| Microsoft is trying so hard with this whole Bing thing. | ||
| First of all, why Bing? | ||
| What does that mean? | ||
| What are you saying? | ||
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| I don't know. | ||
| Bing. | ||
| It's not bad. | ||
| It's probably the second best one. | ||
| It's pretty good. | ||
| But why Bing? | ||
| Why call it Bing? | ||
| Why is it Google? | ||
| Why is Google? | ||
| Because a Google is a number, dude. | ||
| It's a very cool number, actually. | ||
| I've never known that until recently. | ||
| It's like a term for like a million zeros or some shit. | ||
| Well, let's find out what it is. | ||
| What is a Google here? | ||
| Because we should inform people. | ||
| What's a Googler? | ||
| It comes from another term. | ||
| I don't believe the word is Google. | ||
| It's an abbreviation of a term. | ||
| Yeah, Google. | ||
| It's G-O-O-G-O-L. Yeah. | ||
| It is, holy shit. | ||
| How many? | ||
| Oh my god, 100 zeros. | ||
| It is the, wow, a Google is the large number 10 to 100. That is the digit 1 followed by 100 zeros. | ||
| What a What a great way to make a statement about the depth and breadth of your capabilities by using a number like that. | ||
| It's kind of beautiful. | ||
| And how perfect. | ||
| What a perfect description. | ||
| It's perfect. | ||
| For Google? | ||
| That is Google, man. | ||
| Google voicemail, Google fucking maps, Google... | ||
| Jesus. | ||
| That's why I'm so excited to speak there. | ||
| Yeah, what are you going to talk about? | ||
| I'm going to talk about creativity. | ||
| I'm going to talk about innovation. | ||
| I'm going to talk about inspiration and awe. | ||
| I'm going to talk about using technology to render the impossible into existence. | ||
| And I'm going to show some of the videos. | ||
| Actually, my friend, Josh Kaplan, actually, who set this up, is a huge fan of your show. | ||
| Oh, that's awesome, man. | ||
| He loves your podcast. | ||
| What's up, Josh? | ||
| Yes, he's the man. | ||
| And he set up the invite to Google. | ||
| Oh, that's amazing, man. | ||
| That's incredible. | ||
| Google is known as being one of those companies that really treats their employees well. | ||
| We got an invite a couple years ago when we were in San Francisco. | ||
| Maybe a year ago, someone from Google emailed me, but I lost it in the shuffle. | ||
| My email gets clogged sometimes, and I just can't find anybody. | ||
| Because you get a lot of crazy... | ||
| You must get a lot of emails in general, huh? | ||
| Yeah, but the one thing that I was fascinated by, I wanted to see what it was like in there, because I've always thought, like, man, why can't someone make a company where they treat their employees well? | ||
| Like, how much more does it cost to give them really good food, take care of them? | ||
| It might cost, like, a little more, but wouldn't make the atmosphere way better and make everybody appreciate it. | ||
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Exponentially so. | |
| Yeah, I mean, that's like one of the most important things is that the environment be positive. | ||
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Totally. | |
| Nobody wants to work around someone who doesn't want to work there. | ||
| They also understand that creativity and productivity comes from allowing people to have distractions. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| So it's like they have ping pong tables and bean bags and all these things because, you know, and some people might criticize, oh, it's just a playground. | ||
| No, it probably makes the employees much more creative. | ||
| You're creating spaces in which the free association and their synapses can fire. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Creativity is about that. | ||
| And I'm sure they're judged or at least evaluated based on their productivity. | ||
| It's not like they're not going to be productive in the law. | ||
| I got this job. | ||
| Tom just played ping pong all day. | ||
| They're not the type of people that would do that in the first place. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So it becomes a resource rather than a distraction. | ||
| And a distraction as a resource. | ||
| And these are the post-industrial revolution companies. | ||
| And these are the most admired companies in the world. | ||
| You have Apple, you have Google, and people are looking to these companies as examples of how to run businesses, how to have social impact, how to make legacies, how to not be evil. | ||
| And they stood out against SOPA. This is the new model of corporations that are going to be judged upon. | ||
| So all these new entrepreneurs now coming online, they're getting inspired from these companies. | ||
| I want to be the next Google and change the world. | ||
| It's not I want to make the next Google and be rich. | ||
| It's I want to change the world. | ||
| What happens with Google Video and stuff? | ||
| Because I know they came out against SOPA and the Stop Online Piracy Act. | ||
| That all fell apart and they're trying to come up with a new strategy, a new act. | ||
| Well, I think we need to all have a new conversation about content ownership in a world in which everybody has the tools to make mixtapes. | ||
| Yeah, but like what about Google videos and stuff like that? | ||
| What if someone has a documentary and that documentary is for sale, but you go to Google video and there it is, and you can just watch it for free? | ||
| No, you do what Radiohead did, which is where they put their album online for free and they said donate money if you would like to pay for this music. | ||
| So you think that that's how people who want to sell DVDs should deal with the fact that people are stealing their shit? | ||
| They're gonna have to ask for donations? | ||
| Well, no, but I think that we're just, it's an environment in which more, because what happens is everybody's going to be making content for free anyway, and the content for free is going to be just as good as the content you charge for, and I think people will pay because they appreciate your content, but I think it's going to be harder and harder to, like, impose. | ||
| Payment on it. | ||
| Well, how would someone, like, let's say, for an example, say if there's a documentary on crocodiles, okay, I tell you about it, oh my god, it's crazy, you've got to watch this. | ||
| Now you go to Google Video and you find this documentary on crocodiles, how the fuck are you going to find the production company, the website, are you going to search it out? | ||
| Are you going to go Google the name of it? | ||
| So you're saying you were just watching the website? | ||
| Yeah, I mean, if you really wanted to, if they had it set up where you could, you know, where you could donate, if you would like, on their website, I mean, Well, no, they can do a YouTube channel that's supported by ads. | ||
| And if lots of people watch the movie, they'll get money from the ads that they have on their page. | ||
| And then in the description, they can say, we're putting this movie online for free because we want to share the ideas, but we're asking for donations of $5 of you. | ||
| And I'm sure that a lot of people would give it. | ||
| A lot of people would. | ||
| A lot of people wouldn't as well, though. | ||
| So do you feel like that is... | ||
| And then there's the other argument is the people that wouldn't as well. | ||
| I kind of see their point of view because they would say, listen, I would have never bought this in the first place, so I'm not taking anything away from them. | ||
| I downloaded it because it was free, because I knew I could watch it and I didn't like it. | ||
| So I'm glad they didn't get my money. | ||
| When you see a bad movie, don't you want to get your money back? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| I can see that argument as well. | ||
| It is a weird thing when it's ones and zeros and it's just being distributed through the internet. | ||
| It's a weird conversation. | ||
| Because things only have a price because of scarcity. | ||
| You need to charge for something because it's a rare commodity. | ||
| Well, no. | ||
| Things have a price because there's no scarcity in artwork. | ||
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No, but your unique work is yours unique. | |
| So people pay for it because it's only you did something that's unique to you. | ||
| And if you have an audience, people will pay for that. | ||
| That's what I'm saying. | ||
| But I think that increasingly scarcity itself... | ||
| But you're compensating them for their efforts. | ||
| I mean, it's not necessarily just paying for scarcity. | ||
| It's you're compensating someone honestly for their efforts. | ||
| I appreciate the efforts, but I think that it's just the genies out of the bottle. | ||
| It's just too difficult for immaterial things to be contained. | ||
| Do you think that ultimately that's going to lead to sort of a decay in the idea of capitalism? | ||
| Everything is going to be reexamined. | ||
| Everything is going to be reexamined. | ||
| When they start getting into real high-end 3D printers, and that's how you order things, you just order the formula to create things. | ||
| Transform manufacturing is Yeah. | ||
| People will get scared and lose their jobs and will have moments of panic and all of that transition will change everything. | ||
| But you know that like 80% of the jobs that people do today didn't exist 100 years ago. | ||
| There were jobs that didn't exist. | ||
| So there will be new things for us to do. | ||
| It becomes a real problem when people hold on to the idea that they need to keep a job because the job is part of the old way. | ||
| And that is also... | ||
| One of the reasons why marijuana is still illegal. | ||
| And there was a recent article that I tweeted, if you find it just a couple of days ago, or just Googled the statement, lobbyists are getting rich off keeping marijuana illegal, because that's what's going on, man. | ||
| There's lobbyists that are doing this through police unions. | ||
| You know, there's lobbyists that are doing this and they're, you know, these guys are making a lot of money off keeping marijuana illegal. | ||
| There's a lot of people that their business is to arrest people for pot. | ||
| I mean, that's part of the job. | ||
| It's part of what keeps people paid. | ||
| It's part of what keeps a strong police force. | ||
| But I think that in a country where most of the population at this point wants it to be legalized, there should be no red tape or bureaucracy between the people's will and it being changed. | ||
| I think it's also... | ||
| Most people want it to be legalized. | ||
| There should be like a like button on Facebook, and if 100 million people click it, it should be legalized tomorrow. | ||
| And I think that will eventually. | ||
| Yeah, that's... | ||
| That's dynamic democracy. | ||
| This is where we need to get to. | ||
| But I think one of the issues is, and I think this has to be stopped, is we have to stop treating police officers as glorified revenue collectors. | ||
| Because that's what they are. | ||
| And I think that's a really disgusting thing. | ||
| Because guess what? | ||
| Firefighters in place, and I hope we never have to fucking use them. | ||
| I hope those guys get to hang out at the firehouse all day and cook and work out and do fucking chin-ups and shit. | ||
| I hope no one ever has to work. | ||
| I hope no one ever has to deal with a fire. | ||
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Exactly. | |
| I would like the same thing with police officers. | ||
| Right, it would be great if they never had to take the guns out. | ||
| Well, yes, but the issue is they have quotas. | ||
| They have quotas they have to reach. | ||
| I had no idea. | ||
| Oh, fuck yeah, especially with speeding. | ||
| You know, I've talked to friends. | ||
| They have quotas? | ||
| Yes, absolutely. | ||
| Yeah, they have to make quotas as far as giving out tickets. | ||
| That really raises a red flag, doesn't it? | ||
| That's like telling a firefighter. | ||
| That you're only going to get paid if you put out a fire. | ||
| They're going to be looking to build fires. | ||
| Imagine what would happen if the entire country decided that for one month, which would fuck up the entire system, that's all we need is 30 days, everybody in agreement, where nobody ever violates a single law as far as speeding or driving or traffic or stoplights. | ||
| If we made a viral video for it and we created a campaign. | ||
| Don't break a law for a month! | ||
| Every cop would get fired. | ||
| It would be chaos. | ||
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Wow. | |
| Yeah, it'd be crazy. | ||
| They would lose all that revenue that they count on. | ||
| They count on us never evolving. | ||
| I mean, it's really factored into the budget. | ||
| Dude, we need massive system upgrades here. | ||
| Massive system upgrades. | ||
| Just the idea that you have engineered a system where we can never be good. | ||
| We can never get through because your cops need to arrest a certain amount of people. | ||
| Need to pull over, rather, a certain amount of people and put out a certain amount of tickets. | ||
| The state relies on that for real. | ||
| We're going to have to radically change. | ||
| Everything will radically change. | ||
| But there was a time when somebody's life was about making saddles for horses. | ||
| Because everybody ran horses. | ||
| And that person was probably really nervous when the car started to become popular because he couldn't make his horse carriages anymore. | ||
| Lucky for him, lesbians are still around. | ||
| They still like horses. | ||
| I wouldn't say lesbians. | ||
| I'd say women who used to like men but gave up. | ||
| Now they like horses. | ||
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I don't know, man. | |
| I live right in the equestrian district and I see them every day and some of them are fucking high. | ||
| These are like spoiled little girls that date like rich guys that buy the models and shit. | ||
| Yeah, you gotta fuck those girls hard, man. | ||
| They ride horses all day. | ||
| They're not impressed by just like regular sex. | ||
| Riding a giant animal all day. | ||
| You must feel so feeble. | ||
| You know? | ||
| You know what I'm saying? | ||
| They get on top of you. | ||
| They're like, really? | ||
| This is it? | ||
| This is all you got here? | ||
| It's the next level of masturbating. | ||
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I don't know. | |
| I always feel bad for the horses, man. | ||
| There's chains around their mouths. | ||
| I'm like, no, man. | ||
| I'd rather... | ||
| Yeah, I don't like it. | ||
| It's gross. | ||
| It's gross. | ||
| There's a lot of people in my neighborhood, and they're super self-righteous. | ||
| Like, you know, slow down. | ||
| You could be like, it's 28 miles. | ||
| The speed limit's 25. You're going 28. Slow down! | ||
| Slow down! | ||
| Slow down! | ||
| Just big, big bull dyke on her fucking crazy animal. | ||
| It's a weird thing that you're allowed to just ride around animals in 2012. Someone should come along and you go, really? | ||
| Just go to a farm somewhere. | ||
| You can't be just, you know, I don't care if this is an equestrian district. | ||
| That's ridiculous. | ||
| It's still Burbank, you crazy fuck. | ||
| What are you doing riding a horse in my neighborhood? | ||
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Get out of here. | |
| Well, soon we won't eat animals either. | ||
| I'm convinced about in vitro meat, man. | ||
| Tissue engineering. | ||
| Someone's going to have to eat those fucking animals. | ||
| That's a problem, because what happens then? | ||
| Do we sterilize them? | ||
| What do we do to keep them from just being everywhere, like in India? | ||
| What is it like if you drive everywhere and there's fucking cows or rats in New York City, just infesting the landscape, and we can't eat them? | ||
| Some of them have to kill them, bro. | ||
| We're going to have to introduce triceratops, bring in some dinosaurs. | ||
| We won't breed as many. | ||
| I mean, that's another option. | ||
| What if we just let them go, right? | ||
| If we let them go. | ||
| We're not eating them anymore. | ||
| We let them go. | ||
| They're going to fuck. | ||
| They're going to fuck and they're going to be like buffalo. | ||
| Buffalo on the plane. | ||
| We'll just grow the tissue without a nervous system. | ||
| They're going to be everywhere. | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I think if we want to stay human. | ||
| I think they're going to keep breeding. | ||
| I think we're going to have to get predators. | ||
| We're going to have to make some robot predators like those dog robot things that only just go out and jack cows. | ||
| Interesting. | ||
| They just do it to keep the population down. | ||
| Who knows, man? | ||
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It's going to be... | |
| Brian just shook his head. | ||
| We'll have to invent our way out of the new scenario. | ||
| The new scenarios will come and we'll find new novel solutions to deal with them. | ||
| Do you eat meat? | ||
| I eat meat. | ||
| Not every day, but I'm a flexitarian. | ||
| A flexitarian? | ||
| You're flexible? | ||
| No, I eat meat, but I try not to eat it every day. | ||
| Do you ever consider the idea that what you're doing is harmful to the energy of the universe, that you're eating tortured animals? | ||
| Does that ever fuck with you? | ||
| You ever watch like Food Inc? | ||
| I try to have organic food, but I still... | ||
| That's like a cow that grows up in a hippie community and then gets shot in the head. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| It still gets jacked. | ||
| I would like to become vegetarian. | ||
| It's just it's not the easiest thing to do logistically, you know? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Now you can't always find... | ||
| Right now you're going to get a swarm of hate mail from right now from sweaty little vegans and vegetarians. | ||
| They're warming up their little fingers right now. | ||
| Well, I'm a flexitarian. | ||
| I mean, not eating vegan... | ||
| I thought you were an open-minded person. | ||
| Eating vegan food twice a week is already really good. | ||
| You're making... | ||
| That's a beginning. | ||
| That's decent. | ||
| It's the beginning. | ||
| Are you? | ||
| No. | ||
| I think animals are dumb, and I think if they were smart, they'd be killing us. | ||
| I think we'd have issues. | ||
| I think every animal on this planet is an animal. | ||
| Hopefully we get to the point where our empathy is big enough to alleviate suffering, even suffering if it's not completely... | ||
| We're completely as conscious as we are. | ||
| However, the cycle of life requires predators, and we have sort of completely hijacked that cycle of life with the idea of cities and civilization and big metal boxes where you can drive through a fucking safari and be ten feet away from a lion killing a gazelle. | ||
| I mean, we got a crazy reality. | ||
| We're game changers, man. | ||
| We're a game-changing species. | ||
| For good or for bad. | ||
| I think more for good. | ||
| I'm more impressed with us than I am disturbed by us. | ||
| By a long shot. | ||
| I am much more impressed with us than I am disturbed as well. | ||
| But it's nice to just kind of marvel at ourselves a little bit. | ||
| I think we have kind of what's called a guilty cosmic complex where we feel like we're small and insignificant. | ||
| I think we have a big role to play. | ||
| We can play an even bigger role if we pool our cognitive resources together. | ||
| I agree, but I also agree that bacon is delicious, and so is steak. | ||
| Yeah, but you can grow bacon out of stem cells and not have to kill another animal. | ||
| Print out some bacon. | ||
| You're never going to be able to recreate venison. | ||
| You're never going to be able to recreate wild venison. | ||
| No, venison is deer meat. | ||
| You could totally recreate that. | ||
| There's a delicious, gamey, wild flavor to animals that run away. | ||
| They'll have that shit in numbers. | ||
| Ones and zeros. | ||
| Do you think they'll be able to figure that out? | ||
| Fuck yeah. | ||
| Yeah, man. | ||
| It'll be like in the Matrix when the guy's eating the steak and he's like, I know this is not real. | ||
| I know it's made of like code. | ||
| And he's like, I don't care. | ||
| It tastes delicious. | ||
| And then he puts it in his mouth. | ||
| So you're going to be satisfied with that? | ||
| I think we all would. | ||
| It's inevitable, right? | ||
| It's inevitable. | ||
| Well, dude, I mean, what are we tasting anyway except our brain's interpretation of something going in through senses that are like creating a software that goes in real time and tells us, oh, this is what this feels like. | ||
| I'm glad I got to experience life with no answering machines. | ||
| I'm glad I got to experience no cell phones when I was growing up. | ||
| Were you? | ||
| So you could see the contrast? | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| Does it make you appreciate how wired you are now? | ||
| I appreciate how wired we are now, but I also appreciate old school stuff. | ||
| I appreciate a good steak. | ||
| I like a good steak. | ||
| Hardwood, Kohl's, grilled. | ||
| Stop talking about food. | ||
| Hey man, cooking with fire was a technology too. | ||
| Yeah, it is. | ||
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
| I mean, look, the appendix exists. | ||
| It was an organ to break down fibers. | ||
| We were eating all kinds of crazy shit back then, right? | ||
| Wasn't it? | ||
| Wasn't that what it was? | ||
| And then we lost its use, and that's why a lot of people have to have it removed. | ||
| Have you ever gotten your genome tested to see what percentage of the under tall you are? | ||
| I did 23 and me. | ||
| The Google thing? | ||
| Yeah, that's the thing we were talking about. | ||
| What'd they say? | ||
| It's not completely... | ||
| I mean, it's not like they can understand everything yet. | ||
| Someone's a monkey and doesn't want to... | ||
| He's trying to downplay the technology. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| It's one of those exponential things where eventually it'll be 100% tell you everything about everything. | ||
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Do you have to spit in a cup? | |
| Right now, at least it tells you... | ||
| Did you spit in a cup or something like that? | ||
| How do you do it? | ||
| What do you do? | ||
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They send you this little tube and you spit in it and you mail it to them. | |
| Yeah, 23 to me. | ||
| It's amazing. | ||
| And then it'll tell you if you have a precondition of some sorts or if you have a likelihood of developing something like high blood pressure or if your genetic profile says you're going to get Parkinson's or the percentages of a chance of developing something. | ||
| So for people who get stuff that's preventable, you know, if they're like, oh, I have a 70% chance of high blood pressure, I can start addressing that now. | ||
| I've been told that I'm more likely to get it than another person so I can change my diet now. | ||
| Because some people are just genetically so lucky that they can eat shit and nothing will ever happen to them. | ||
| Those motherfuckers. | ||
| Yeah, that's always the case until we all upgrade our genes. | ||
| But for everybody else, this is a chance to see what some of their vulnerabilities might be and how they might address them. | ||
| So we start to hack our biology. | ||
| How cool is this idea that we all start hacking our biology? | ||
| We're upgrading ourselves by hacking in and getting backdoor and shortcuts and fixing things. | ||
| Are we delaying the inevitable brilliant next stage of existence? | ||
| Are we in this life? | ||
| You mean that we wake up into something else? | ||
| Maybe something after this stage is way better. | ||
| And that's the natural progress. | ||
| The natural progress is to move from this to the next. | ||
| Well, that could only be the case if this is a dream. | ||
| If this is a simulation and we're eventually waking up from the simulation, if this is a lucid dream, if this is limbo from inception, you know, that you spend 80 years in limbo and you get old before you wake up and become a young man again. | ||
| But if that's the case, great. | ||
| Look, awesome. | ||
| I fucking hope so, man. | ||
| I'm just not fully convinced. | ||
| So I'm going to fight for my survival as passionately as I can now. | ||
| Because I don't have the evidence that there's anything else. | ||
| And with no evidence, it's pretty hopeless. | ||
| The despair is pretty vivid. | ||
| It might be the big sleep. | ||
| Eternity on both ends. | ||
| The universe is eternal. | ||
| Why can't we be? | ||
| That's my question. | ||
| Well, I think consciousness probably goes to sleep forever, but I think you become a part of... | ||
| Is it? | ||
| Maybe consciousness is really a tool to create action. | ||
| Maybe it's a tool to move things forward. | ||
| There's no doubt that it is, but it's a tool that found out that it enjoys its own... | ||
| It wants to persist. | ||
| It likes blowjobs. | ||
| It enjoys itself. | ||
| No, it enjoys itself. | ||
| It likes to get drunk. | ||
| We're self-referential. | ||
| It's that recursive feedback loop. | ||
| We know that we know that we know. | ||
| And therefore, consciousness, if it was a fluke or if it was by emergent design, it has decided that it likes itself. | ||
| It likes free time. | ||
| It likes to make art and sing songs. | ||
| Not everything that it does is to build things and to be utilitarian and functional. | ||
| Some things are pure pleasure. | ||
| Like the robots in Blade Runner. | ||
| The pleasure of being. | ||
| They like being alive as well. | ||
| There you go. | ||
| That could be what it is, right? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Rutger Hauer, remember? | ||
| He really liked it. | ||
| He was bummed out. | ||
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yeah crazy Kangaroos. | |
| Kangaroos. | ||
| Kangaroos who eat a flower that came from another planet. | ||
| I'm telling you, man. | ||
| Super intelligent kangaroos. | ||
| Would that be the shit? | ||
| If kangaroos start yelling at you for fucking polluting? | ||
| Kangaroos start talking English like really quick within a couple of years? | ||
| And they wear Catholic schoolgirl outfits. | ||
| You know what's amazing about kangaroos is that they continue to raise... | ||
| They have that thing, you know, the pouch where they put their little babies. | ||
| But it's almost like when the baby's born, it's almost like not ready to be born. | ||
| And so they keep them in there. | ||
| And that's kind of like... | ||
| Well, they live in a terrible environment. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, they have to protect that fucking thing. | ||
| It's kind of amazing. | ||
| They're living with these crocodiles everywhere. | ||
| Kangaroos everywhere. | ||
| That's a bad spot. | ||
| Australia's a shady fucking spot. | ||
| The most venomous snakes in the world are there. | ||
| Oh, they got all kinds of shit that can kill you. | ||
| And most of the country you can't live in. | ||
| Most of the country nobody lives in. | ||
| They live around the coast. | ||
| I think that's happening more and more and more and more people moving to cities, man. | ||
| Most of the population lives in cities and will continue to live in cities. | ||
| Of ancient simple organism shit that is some 650 fucking million years old. | ||
| Some insane. | ||
| It predated the idea of life on this planet and they found it in Australia. | ||
| Yeah, Australia is a crazy spot. | ||
| It would be fun to go. | ||
| Have you been? | ||
| Yeah, I've been a few times. | ||
| I've been to Sydney twice. | ||
| Great people. | ||
| Really fucking nice people, man. | ||
| That's what I hear. | ||
| And they have no ozone over there, man. | ||
| They got real cancer problems. | ||
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Right. | |
| Like, all over their billboards are these pictures. | ||
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Really? | |
| They have, like, these skin cancer campaigns. | ||
| So there's photos of people with big, giant, stitched-up scars. | ||
| Oh, bummer. | ||
| Because everyone's getting chunks taken out of them. | ||
| Like, you go out there in the sun with no sunscreen on, you get fucked up, man. | ||
| It's important to wear sunscreen. | ||
| Yeah, it's another level sun with no ozone layer. | ||
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Wow. | |
| There's a giant hole in the ozone over there. | ||
| It's so long to get there, right? | ||
| Like, 17 hours or something? | ||
| Not quite. | ||
| I think 15, something like that. | ||
| I want to go. | ||
| It's a lot. | ||
| I want to go. | ||
| But you know what? | ||
| If you can deal with that just one day, I mean, you know, what you do is, man, get a bunch of podcasts. | ||
| Get a bunch of podcasts. | ||
| Get a few movies on your iPad and just zone out and just... | ||
| Go zen and say, this is what I'm doing. | ||
| And don't freak out and don't feel like, fuck, I've got to get up and move around. | ||
| Just deal with it. | ||
| Ain't no big a deal. | ||
| And then once you get there, holy shit. | ||
| It's a beautiful, beautiful country, man. | ||
| It's the Wizard of Oz. | ||
| It's so gorgeous. | ||
| It's so amazing when you think that the people from England caused that as a prison colony at one point in time. | ||
| What a silly idea. | ||
| Fascinating. | ||
| Now all their actors win all the awards. | ||
| Yeah, I wonder why they're so good. | ||
| Yeah, Australian and British actors, man. | ||
| They make good stand-ups, too. | ||
| There's a few Jim Jefferies, really funny stand-up from Australia. | ||
| Yeah, and there's a couple Americans that do really well over there, like Eddie Ift and Arge Barker. | ||
| They go over there, and they're... | ||
| Arge Barker's fucking enormous over there, apparently. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, and they just... | ||
| When I was in Australia, I was talking to people, like, what do you do? | ||
| I'm like, oh, I'm a comedian. | ||
| They're like, you know Arge Barker? | ||
| Like, immediately. | ||
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Wow. | |
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| It's so close to, like, it's nothing like America, but you could totally hang out there. | ||
| Like, you could live there. | ||
| Like, you wouldn't have to learn a language. | ||
| People are very friendly. | ||
| You'd have no problems. | ||
| It feels slightly alternate universe. | ||
| Yes, very much so. | ||
| Because it's like, they speak English, but it's just another reality. | ||
| Well, it's so far away that they drive on the other side of the road. | ||
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Right. | |
| That freaks you out. | ||
| Totally. | ||
| That whole England thing is a trip. | ||
| Alice in Wonderland, man. | ||
| It's like, why are you on this side? | ||
| That's why traveling is so cool, though, for shifting people's sense of reality. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Expanding your consciousness because you're immersed in a sort of mirror world. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Where it's like, well, most things are kind of the same, but they're a little off. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| So it's like reality has shifted a little bit. | ||
| I think traveling is so important. | ||
| Well, it's cool to see a culture like Australia where socially is really kind of parallel to America, like really similar. | ||
| I mean, not exact, but really similar. | ||
| If you go over there and you meet an Australian guy who's your age, chances are you're going to have a lot of things to talk about in common. | ||
| It'd be different, but not alien at all. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| So it's kind of interesting that that is happening on the other side of the planet. | ||
| There's some sort of a really modern civilization. | ||
| And they're like, these people live here, and they dream here, and they wake up, and they go to work here. | ||
| Skyscrapers, nice cars. | ||
| And they've been living their entire lives with a whole different set of priorities that have no boundaries. | ||
| Bearing on my existence and that I didn't know about it until I came here. | ||
| What really makes you trip out is when you watch their TV shows and they have like really popular TV shows you fucking never heard about. | ||
| Parallel world, man. | ||
| And a guy comes out and a girl comes out. | ||
| You know, who the fuck are these people? | ||
| Everybody goes crazy. | ||
| Everybody goes crazy. | ||
| It's the number one show in Australia, Mike. | ||
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Right. | |
| I can't believe they're really on right now. | ||
| Everybody will sit down and get drunk. | ||
| It's amazing. | ||
| It gives you perspective also. | ||
| It unhinges you from your reality. | ||
| It unhinges you a little bit. | ||
| The one thing that I consistently get when I go to these places is how uptight America is. | ||
| When you go, especially in Australia, they're so fun and they're so easy to hang out with and so generally friendly. | ||
| It makes you feel like, what's responsible for this level of tension in America? | ||
| Yeah, I don't know. | ||
| It's not everywhere, by the way. | ||
| Of course, there's a lot of cool people in America. | ||
| Don't get me wrong. | ||
| I get a lot of douchebag dummy tweets like, why don't you fucking go move to Afghanistan if you hate America? | ||
| It's not that I hate America, stupid. | ||
| It's that I love America and I think America should be awesome. | ||
| I mean, it is awesome, but it should be better than what it is. | ||
| It's possible. | ||
| For us to improve. | ||
| What holds us back is fuckheads like you. | ||
| That's what holds us back. | ||
| Twitter angry people. | ||
| There should be no reason why the cutting edge should be uptight about things. | ||
| Particularly social issues. | ||
| We need to completely legalize gay marriage everywhere. | ||
| We need to legalize marijuana everywhere. | ||
| You need to debate Rick Santorum because he disagrees. | ||
| Rick Santorum did have a really interesting point, though, I've got to admit. | ||
| I mean, I am always 100% in support of gay marriage. | ||
| I think you should be able to do whatever the fuck you want to do. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| It's not hurting me. | ||
| It's not a scam, and it's not hurting me. | ||
| It's not like you're trying to steal money, and it's not hurting me. | ||
| So I'm completely in support of that, but he had a really interesting point, that Rick Santorum, because he was talking about marriage has always been, for over a thousand years, been defined as a man and a woman. | ||
| Now, all of a sudden, you're calling it marriage, but it's a man and a man. | ||
| Can it be a man and two men? | ||
| And I was like, oh, shit. | ||
| Like, he just flipped it on its head. | ||
| Like, he really did. | ||
| It was a really good point. | ||
| And I was like, well, yeah, well, why can't it be two men? | ||
| Why can't two men get married to a guy? | ||
| Why can't everybody just bang each other? | ||
| Why not? | ||
| Yeah, but he was... | ||
| And the women in the audience were saying, no, that's a different scenario. | ||
| You're talking about a couple that's in love. | ||
| And she's like, well, no, what if these people are all in love? | ||
| There's three of them. | ||
| What if they are? | ||
| What if, you know, can it be two women and a man? | ||
| Can it be two men and a woman? | ||
| And then, you know, he just fucked them up, man. | ||
| He just fucked them up. | ||
| There's nothing they can say then. | ||
| Because, you know, he's really right. | ||
| Like, first of all, as a personal freedom issue, I'd feel like you should be able to do whatever you want if it's not hurting me. | ||
| Clearly gay marriage is not hurting me. | ||
| So do whatever the fuck you want. | ||
| But if you want to call it marriage, like maybe they should call it... | ||
| Maybe it should be something different. | ||
| Maybe it's marriage, but it's gay marriage. | ||
| Oh, we're gay married? | ||
| No. | ||
| Like me and my partner are gay married? | ||
| You wouldn't be able to say regular married? | ||
| Oh, we're triple married. | ||
| Oh, there's three of you? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| What would you call that? | ||
| If you made that legal, what would you call that? | ||
| Domestic partnership. | ||
| They're all domestic partners. | ||
| What if they want to call them married? | ||
| They want to call them whatever they want to. | ||
| And then they get all the benefits of society and they want to do tax stuff together and all those things that people want. | ||
| Why not? | ||
| Corporations can have hundreds of employees or thousands of employees. | ||
| Maybe marriages should be able to as well. | ||
| So 100,000 people in a marriage. | ||
| So you're down with like They can be many nation states of Maryhood. | ||
| Mormon style, polygamy. | ||
| I got a Time magazine at home. | ||
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Well, no, no, no. | |
| That's different because those are getting minors involved, right? | ||
| And coercing people and imposing reality tunnels and closing access to other media. | ||
| It's different. | ||
| I got a Time magazine at home, and there's a guy on the cover. | ||
| It's one of those last holdout old man Mormon dudes who has a gang of wives. | ||
| That's so true. | ||
| He's still rocking it. | ||
| There's one dude, nine wives, and he's got 46 children. | ||
| What the fuck? | ||
| What the fuck? | ||
| He should be thrown in jail. | ||
| What the fuck, man? | ||
| Wow, that's not good. | ||
| Yeah, that's crazy. | ||
| Did you know that a lot of those guys, we talked about this before, who is it when we brought up this, that they went to Mexico, that a lot of Mormons were traveling to Mexico, and they were having problems with the cartels. | ||
| They established these polygamous communities down in Mexico. | ||
| Oh, wow. | ||
|
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Fascinating. | |
| And now they're having problems with the drug cartels. | ||
| Someone was assassinated recently, remember that? | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| I remember who brought it up. | ||
| One of our guests brought it up. | ||
| I'm like, wow, I had no idea that that was even going down. | ||
| They've set up these alternative communities down in Mexico. | ||
| Do you ever think about that? | ||
| What if somebody just decided to turn Costa Rica into goddamn paradise? | ||
| They're trying to do it. | ||
| The world's all fucked up everywhere else, but here's the deal. | ||
| We have a limited government. | ||
| We're going to establish the best schools possible. | ||
| Libertarian schools. | ||
| The best social care possible, the best health care, the best community centers where we have people who are set up to take care of stray children and really create a society. | ||
| They're trying to do it. | ||
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Where? | |
| There's a guy called Patry Friedman who had this thing called the Seasteading Institute. | ||
| Which is an organization and they're backed by like Peter Thiel and everything. | ||
| Is that the giant island? | ||
| Yeah, to make these artificial man-made islands where we can do practice runs of futuristic versions of governance and they can be in international waters. | ||
| But now they're doing something with a Central American nation where the nation has given them a chunk of land to let them set up their own autonomous zone. | ||
| Where was this? | ||
| In Central America. | ||
| I don't know if it was Nicaragua or Guatemala or one of those. | ||
| But they're going to try it. | ||
| There's been all these articles about it and they're going to test out Futuristic, cutting-edge forms of government. | ||
| See, the only thing I worry about is one of the beautiful things about doing things in America, even though you're under the shadow of the military-industrial complex, is that it's fairly safe. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| You know, it's fairly safe here. | ||
| Yes, yes, very much. | ||
| Unless you're... | ||
| I mean... | ||
| Where are you going to recreate that? | ||
| Where are you going to recreate that? | ||
| You're not going to do it in open waters. | ||
| Because if you do it in international waters, what are these Somali pirate dudes? | ||
| You hear about that shit every day. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| What are you going to do? | ||
| They've got a bunch of peace nicks. | ||
| There's a lot to think about. | ||
| A floating spot out there. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| A big concrete floating jungle with what? | ||
| Paul, the security guard who patrols the perimeter. | ||
| They shoot Paul in the head. | ||
| Fucking take over. | ||
| God damn it. | ||
| Jason Silva, you got to be ready for war. | ||
| Yeah, I know. | ||
| I mean, I think there's obviously logistical things that have to be addressed, but it's a very ambitious idea to begin with. | ||
| It's very ambitious. | ||
| You would have to have guns. | ||
| You probably would. | ||
| You have to have laser beams. | ||
| Just get that trash pile and live in the middle of it. | ||
| That's not a bad idea. | ||
| No one wants to get near that thing. | ||
| Yeah, I hear people coming too. | ||
| But then where are you going to get your water from? | ||
| Your water? | ||
| What do you need from the ocean? | ||
| Desalinization? | ||
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Of course. | |
| Is that what they're trying to do? | ||
| Dean Kamen, who invented a lot of these water purification systems, man, that you can put in like bacteria, infection, like poison almost into the water and it comes out like ready to drink. | ||
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Wow. | |
| And they have this new unit that they're going to be taking to like rural parts around the world. | ||
| To these little villages. | ||
| And that's like the number one cause of disease and illness. | ||
| Dirty water, right? | ||
| These small little self-powered devices and they last forever. | ||
| Dean Kamen and his water products, water filtration stuff, people should Google. | ||
| How far? | ||
| He's a genius. | ||
| No, no. | ||
| He already has this new design. | ||
| I wasn't going to say that. | ||
| I was going to say, how far are they on the island thing? | ||
| The artificial island? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I think funding. | ||
| They need funding to build it. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| Who the hell is going to pay for that? | ||
| Like, bitch, what? | ||
| Well, techno-philanthropists. | ||
| New internet age billionaires. | ||
| They have the resources. | ||
| It would have to be a lot of money. | ||
| How much would it cost to build a fake island? | ||
| I have no idea. | ||
| Probably a lot of fucking money, man. | ||
| Probably a lot of money. | ||
| I was watching a documentary on the Japanese airport that they had created, and it's on an artificial island. | ||
| An artificial island that they've created, but they're slowly sinking into the sea, so they have this elaborate system of lifts that as it sinks, they raise it up to keep it level. | ||
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Wow. | |
| It's fucking nuts. | ||
| I mean, what a marvel of engineering. | ||
| Engineering is just magnificent when you think about it. | ||
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It's amazing. | |
| It's incredible. | ||
| I love looking at engineering in nature and comparing it to engineering made by man, and you see how there's certain patterns that align. | ||
| And here we are, we're like, oh, you know, we thought of this. | ||
| But then it's like, oh, but it matches this pattern that nature came up with, too. | ||
| And what you realize is that a good idea is a good idea whether you came up with it blindly, like nature, or whether you came up with it consciously, like man. | ||
| A good idea is a good idea. | ||
| If it works, it works. | ||
| That's what's amazing. | ||
| Have you ever seen when they take a colony of leafcutter ants and they expose their entire underground structure by filling it with cement? | ||
| Technology, man. | ||
| They have their own technology. | ||
| Holy shit. | ||
| That's their extended phenotype, man. | ||
| It's really kind of a fucking disturbing thing to watch, though, because it's kind of ant genocide you're, like, looking at. | ||
| I mean, they eventually cemented everybody in there. | ||
| It is very sad. | ||
| I mean, I don't really give a fuck about ants, but it's kind of crazy that they're willing to just cement the shit out of their houses just to find out how big the house is. | ||
| If you haven't seen it, folks, just Google it. | ||
| What is it, Brian? | ||
| Leafcutter ants? | ||
| Just pull that video up because it's astounding to look at. | ||
| Just pull up Leafcutter Ant Colony Exposed. | ||
| And these scientists, they found out that not only do they have these intricate structures, but they have vents set up so where they bring in, like, funguses and things that are rotting, there's an ability for the fucking gases to rise out through the air. | ||
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It's insane. | |
| So it doesn't pollute their... | ||
| There's so much emergent intelligence in the design. | ||
| But do you know what the most amazing part is? | ||
| There's no one in control. | ||
| It's all decentralized. | ||
| It's all a bunch of individual local interactions happening simultaneously that together exhibit emergent phenomenon and emergent complexity. | ||
| It's like a beehive. | ||
| It's like Occupy Wall Street. | ||
| Beehives exhibit self-organization that emerges when all these billions of bees are working together to create this intelligent behavior. | ||
| But no individual bee itself is intelligent. | ||
| That's amazing. | ||
| Now they're saying that our neurons are the same, that we're not like a singular consciousness, but billions of non-intelligent neurons that together create synchronous transcendent effects. | ||
| Consciousness emerges from the interactions of trillions of neurons, individual, local relationships happening in different parts of the brain. | ||
| That totally makes sense. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So our brains are like ant colonies. | ||
| Our brains, our neurons are like the ants in the ant colony, and then us is the emergent behavior. | ||
| It's what comes out. | ||
| Yeah, I've always said that it's ridiculous to think that human beings can ever be separate, because that's the worst thing they could do to you in prison. | ||
| The worst thing they could do to you in prison is separate you from the general population and put you in solitary. | ||
| Nobody can talk to you. | ||
| You're just by yourself. | ||
| And that's crazy for people. | ||
| Well, that's like cutting your arm off. | ||
| Yes, it's alien to our goal and purpose and our desires on Earth. | ||
| 100%. | ||
| Yeah, so it's obvious that we are engineered for a reason, or at least... | ||
| For feedback. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| For interaction. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Interaction and feedback. | ||
| Everything is feedback loops, dude. | ||
| Everything. | ||
| Well, that's why these kind of conversations are so exciting. | ||
| Yes, exactly. | ||
| Because you turn my brain into an area that it might not have gone into. | ||
| Likewise. | ||
| And then we start expanding in that area. | ||
| Yeah, there's a book by Matt Ridley called The Rational Optimist, and he coined the word idea sex. | ||
| And he says that ideas coming together in open liquid networks, open channels of communications are akin to genetic recombination in nature. | ||
| It's genes being in the primordial soup, mixing and completing each other and interacting. | ||
| It's all a giant algorithm, right? | ||
| And it's happening with ideas. | ||
| Yeah, ideas are intermingling and having sex with one another, but they're creating more change and at a rate that is unheard of. | ||
| By the gene pool. | ||
| If we could look at the interactions of human behavior and thought and language, if we could look at all that stuff as numbers and look at it as energy and something that could be quantified, instead of looking at it as our own product, instead of looking at it as something that we have done, if we could just look at it entirely of its own, we would see a completely different picture, wouldn't we? | ||
| Well, if we take the long view. | ||
| We're a caterpillar, man. | ||
| We're a caterpillar about to become a butterfly. | ||
| That's what we're doing. | ||
| We're making some crazy fucking cocoon right now. | ||
| We don't even know what we're doing. | ||
| Transform everything, man. | ||
| And we know it's possible because the caterpillars did it. | ||
| Caterpillars do it. | ||
| It exists. | ||
| It's not beyond the laws of physics for completely radical self-transformation. | ||
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You fucking blew my mind again, man! | |
| You blew everybody's mind again. | ||
| It's a podcast. | ||
| Essentially, I gotta think we should stop it right there. | ||
| Because that's about three hours. | ||
| Oh, that was magnificent. | ||
| Wasn't it about three hours? | ||
| Somewhere in there? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Two hours, 40 minutes? | ||
| Something like that? | ||
| Thanks again, brother. | ||
| Thank you, man. | ||
| You're very, very stimulating to talk to. | ||
| Thanks, man. | ||
| It's one of those... | ||
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So are you. | |
| So are you guys. | ||
| We have these conversations and it just, you know, you walk out and drive home and just go, what the Fuck, man. | ||
| Thanks for having me, man. | ||
| What is next? | ||
| You're so awesome at passionately infusing these ideas in other people's heads. | ||
| Thanks, brother. | ||
| You have a way of... | ||
| When you get fired up about shit, everybody around you is like, oh, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Yeah, dude. | ||
| Thanks, man. | ||
| It's infectious. | ||
| Very infectious. | ||
| Thanks, brother. | ||
| And if people want to find you on Twitter, it's Jason underscore Silva. | ||
| If they want to find you online, it is thisisjasonsilva.com. | ||
| And all of his upcoming lectures and all that. | ||
| Is there anything that people can see? | ||
| Like, are there any places where the average person can go and buy a ticket and watch you perform live? | ||
| The Economist Ideas Festival happening in Berkeley on March 28th is on innovation, and people can Google Economist Ideas Festival. | ||
| Anyone can go to that. | ||
| You can buy tickets for that. | ||
| So you don't have to work at Google. | ||
| Yes, and on April 20th, when I speak at the National Arts Club, they have a website. | ||
| You should be able to look it up. | ||
| I think it's about Dreaming Unlimited or something like that in New York City. | ||
| And all this information is on ThisIsJasonSilva.com? | ||
| Yeah, and I tweet about it all the time as the talks come up. | ||
| The PSFK Conference in New York at Battery Park on March 30th. | ||
| You can buy tickets to I'm going to speak at University of Pennsylvania April 2nd actually. | ||
| Beautiful. | ||
| This class on psychedelics and visionary arts and stuff. | ||
| Dude, keep doing what you're doing. | ||
| I love it. | ||
| It's very exciting. | ||
| Thank you everybody for tuning into the podcast. | ||
| Thanks for all the positive tweets and messages and we love you too. | ||
| Thanks for everybody who already bought tickets for Atlanta April 20th. | ||
| The first show is pretty much sold out. | ||
| It will be when I record my next special. | ||
| So if you want to go, there will be tickets to the second show that will be available sometime this week. | ||
| Like I said, probably somewhere around Wednesday. | ||
| And I got a lot of other shit going on in the future too. | ||
| Louisville, Kentucky. | ||
| That's soon. | ||
| When is that, Brian? | ||
| Any ideas? | ||
| Louisville, Kentucky? | ||
| March 30th through April 1st is Louisville, Kentucky. | ||
| And then we're in... | ||
| Hermosa Beach is actually before that. | ||
| March 23rd and 24th at Hermosa Beach, the Comedy Magic Club. | ||
| One of my favorite clubs ever. | ||
| And then 420 in Atlanta. | ||
| 420 is when I'm going to do my special. | ||
| It's so cliche. | ||
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Yeah, bro. | |
| It's so cliche, as a corny pothead, I couldn't resist. | ||
| Thank you to the Fleshlight for tuning in and saving our souls with their plastic vagina. | ||
| Does that work? | ||
| No. | ||
| I need to come up with a new commercial. | ||
| Thank you to the Fleshlight for being there, for Lonely Boys. | ||
| For being easy. | ||
| Thank you for being, yeah, but not that easy to clean. | ||
| A little complicated. | ||
| No, it's nice. | ||
| It's super easy. | ||
| Yeah, you should, at the end of it, it should be like a garbage disposal. | ||
| It just eats loads and then turns it into love and sends it out through the universe. | ||
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Totally. | |
| It's really easy if you like to suck your own cum out of it. | ||
| So, Brian, so not necessary. | ||
| Jason Silva's here. | ||
| He's a serious man. | ||
| You don't need to do that in front of him. | ||
| You fucking freak. | ||
| Thank you to Onnit.com. | ||
| O-N-N-I-T. Oh, yeah. | ||
| What did I say? | ||
| Fleshlight. | ||
| Entering the code NABROGEN. 15% off. | ||
| You already know that. | ||
| You heard the first half of this fucking podcast. | ||
| Go to Onnit.com, enter in the code name, Rogan, save 10%. | ||
| There, it's over. | ||
| It's done. | ||
| Tomorrow, we have Aubrey Marcus, formerly known as, the artist formerly known as Chris, who's our friend who changed his fucking name. | ||
| That's how hard he tripped. | ||
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Wow. | |
| He went to Peru and did ayahuasca and changed his fucking name. | ||
| You know, I have a friend who did that too, my friend Lyon. | ||
| Yeah, that ayahuasca. | ||
| Okay, fuck you up, son. | ||
| And Aubrey just got back from Costa Rica, where he went through a series of ibogaine experiences. | ||
| And now his name is Optimus Prime. | ||
| Yeah, now he's Mr. Manhattan. | ||
| And we're gonna meet him tomorrow, and he's gonna explain to us what the fuck is really going on with this crazy universe we're living. | ||
| Everything that has not been covered today will be covered tomorrow. | ||
| And then on Wednesday, we get Matt from Hoarders, his clutter cleaner on Twitter, and he's the guy who cleans up the crazy people's houses. | ||
| And I'm really fascinated by that because I got a bit of a hoarder in me. | ||
| Just a pinch. | ||
| You do as well. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So we'll find out what that fucking psychosis is all about. | ||
| Jason Silva, you are the man, sir. | ||
| You are the man. | ||
| Thank you, guys. | ||
| Namaste. | ||
| Thank you, everybody. | ||
| We love you dirty bitches. | ||
| Oh, two shows this weekend in Pasadena. | ||
| Because I'm gearing up for my special freaks. | ||
| So this Friday and Saturday, Friday night, when are we doing it? | ||
| Friday, 9 o'clock, Saturday, 10.30, IceHouseComedy.com. | ||
| Yes, and it's the annex. | ||
| It's a small room. | ||
| It always sells out in advance. | ||
| So if you want to get on this shit, IceHouseComedy.com. | ||
| Is that it? | ||
| Yeah, one Friday at 9 o'clock? | ||
| 9 o'clock Friday, 10.30 on Saturday. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| It's over. | ||
| God bless America. |
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