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March 11, 2012 - The Joe Rogan Experience
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Joe Rogan Experience #193 - Jim Gaffigan
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unidentified
It's destroyed.
joe rogan
Gets fucking jacked.
The Joe Rogan Experience Podcast.
This is a special Sunday edition of the Joe Rogan Experience Podcast.
And we wouldn't even be doing this shit if it wasn't for Jim Gaffigan.
Jim Gaffigan is hilarious and awesome, and we'll talk about him later.
But right now, let's talk about Rubber Vaginas, because we're sponsored by The Fleshlight.
Oh, shalom alaykum.
Is it good?
Yes, it is.
Is it embarrassing?
Fuck yeah, it is.
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You gotta pick your ground.
You gotta stand down sometimes.
You gotta stand up for what you believe in.
And if you masturbate, this is better than that.
jim gaffigan
This is on the Christian Broadcasting Network, right?
joe rogan
Yes, yes.
Well, the internet side of it.
It's really different.
It's diametrically opposed.
jim gaffigan
Do you come on before Pat Robertson or after?
joe rogan
During the background.
It's subliminal.
jim gaffigan
He's under my desk right now kissing me.
joe rogan
We do it like Hungry Eat Popcorn.
Pat Robertson just came out and said that marijuana should be legal.
Isn't that amazing?
jim gaffigan
That's amazing.
joe rogan
Makes you want to stop smoking pot.
jim gaffigan
Or it just shows you how crazy it is.
He's gotten so crazy.
I mean, we knew he was crazy before he even ran for president.
And now he's like, pot should be legal.
It's like, you know, the Christians are sitting there going, you know, I can deal with Rush calling that Georgetown law student a slut, but pot legal?
unidentified
Psh!
jim gaffigan
You know?
joe rogan
Or he's just gone so crazy that he's sane.
He completely went around like that dude in that...
What's that movie?
The Mathematician?
unidentified
The guy?
joe rogan
Brilliant Madness?
Is that what it was?
unidentified
Brilliant Mind.
joe rogan
Brilliant Mind.
jim gaffigan
Oh, Brilliant Mind.
joe rogan
Remember that?
unidentified
Yeah.
jim gaffigan
Where he learned...
joe rogan
Turned around.
Turned around and became sane.
Went so crazy he became sane.
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jim gaffigan
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joe rogan
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jim gaffigan
Yeah, you get like a six pack of them.
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joe rogan
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brian redban
I got a new catchphrase for Onnit, by the way.
joe rogan
Okay, go for it.
unidentified
Get up Onnit.
brian redban
You remember like that old, the get up on it, grab it like you want it?
joe rogan
I do remember that, but I don't remember liking it.
jim gaffigan
That's not from the same people that did the back off or headache off.
joe rogan
No.
jim gaffigan
You know what I mean?
joe rogan
No.
What was that?
Was that something to cure hangovers or something?
jim gaffigan
Do you guys know what I'm talking about?
joe rogan
Herbal remedies?
jim gaffigan
Yeah, it was an herbal.
joe rogan
Yeah.
jim gaffigan
But it was, that sounds like it's real.
Yeah.
joe rogan
Well, what AlphaBrain is, it's a nootropic.
What nootropics are is there are certain vitamins and nutrients that have been proven to have a benefit on thinking.
Oh, really?
Yeah, and your brain's production of neurotransmitters.
It's a very controversial science, and we're actually running...
I'm a part of the company.
We're running...
Double-blind placebo test.
jim gaffigan
I always thought you were a biologist.
unidentified
I'm not.
jim gaffigan
I'm a scientist.
joe rogan
I know nothing.
I can't even repeat what they say correctly.
I fucked that up.
But the guy who I'm working with is organizing this whole thing.
What it is, is there's a bunch of different vitamins, not just our company.
I always tell people, if you're interested in this stuff at all, just please Google the word nootropic and read all the pros and cons.
It's fascinating stuff.
But essentially...
It's not going to kill you.
It's vitamins for your brain.
And, you know, like a lot of things, some people have weird allergies and some people have weird reactions to certain things.
Some people die if they eat peanuts.
The human body's not the same.
jim gaffigan
They're called weak people, right?
joe rogan
Is that what it is?
Is that how you feel about it?
You are blonde, blue-eyed.
jim gaffigan
They wouldn't have made it through Little House on the Prairie.
I mean, you know, a lot of people weren't making it through there.
But, like, if you're allergic to peanuts...
joe rogan
It is a sad one.
jim gaffigan
I don't want to alienate the peanut allergic people.
I like the people that are allergic to wheat.
joe rogan
That's really common, apparently.
jim gaffigan
Yeah, it's, you know, it's, yeah.
unidentified
Wheat allergies.
jim gaffigan
I mean, it's like, what's next?
I'm allergic to air.
There was a movie about that.
joe rogan
Boy, the plastic bubble.
Wasn't he allergic to everything or something?
unidentified
Yeah, he had that little hamster ball.
joe rogan
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All right, bitches!
We have a special Sunday!
unidentified
Sunday!
joe rogan
Monster truck guy.
Not to be confused with strip club DJ guy.
jim gaffigan
Yeah.
joe rogan
They're cousins, right?
jim gaffigan
I think they're related a little bit, right?
joe rogan
Is that the music?
Were you playing it?
unidentified
Sorry?
joe rogan
You didn't commit.
Barely commit.
We have music that we do.
jim gaffigan
It's just murmuring in the background.
joe rogan
Yeah, I don't know what the hell that was.
Like a ghost.
unidentified
Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day.
joe rogan
Oh, you did it again with the reverb, you fucking freak.
Strange man, this is Brian Redman.
Very odd character.
Unlike Jim Gaffigan.
jim gaffigan
He looks like a serial killer sitting behind him with wires and he's wearing a tie.
joe rogan
We just got back from a music video.
He never dresses like this.
unidentified
Never.
jim gaffigan
A music video?
joe rogan
Yeah, we both usually dress like children.
unidentified
Yeah.
jim gaffigan
Oh, but you're in the video.
joe rogan
Yeah, we were in the background.
It was a bar scene.
Brian and I were holding hands and dancing together.
jim gaffigan
Slow dancing.
joe rogan
Not really.
We were thinking about doing that, but then we're like, no.
jim gaffigan
Maybe you should just practice it.
joe rogan
Just for you.
jim gaffigan
You know, just in case it comes up, Brian.
Come on.
joe rogan
Come on.
jim gaffigan
Let's lie down and cuddle in case there's a scene where we're supposed to cuddle.
Do you want to be an actor or not?
joe rogan
Listen, to want to be an actor, you've got to be ready 24-7 to act.
jim gaffigan
You do.
joe rogan
I want you to act like you want to suck my dick.
jim gaffigan
You know, I mean, not in a gay way, you know?
I have to look at pictures of myself.
joe rogan
Yeah, well, it's confusing, right?
jim gaffigan
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's constantly doing that.
That's what the American public sees right now.
Jim Gaffey.
jim gaffigan
Is it also international?
joe rogan
Yeah, the world gets it.
jim gaffigan
The world.
joe rogan
We're not douchey.
We don't keep our friends overseas from getting the feed.
jim gaffigan
No communists are watching this, though.
joe rogan
Well, we would hope that they would learn something from this, Jim Gaffigan.
jim gaffigan
Maybe they'll come out of their shell.
joe rogan
You ever watch that, was it the Robert De Niro starred in that movie about communism in Hollywood in the 1950s and how crazy it was?
Did you ever see that movie?
unidentified
No.
jim gaffigan
I think I know what you're talking about.
joe rogan
It was during the McCarthy era where they were just accusing everybody of being a communist.
Yeah, yeah.
jim gaffigan
Yes, and that was kind of like that's what prompted the play The Crucible, which was the witch hunt.
Yeah.
joe rogan
Amazing, right?
jim gaffigan
Yeah, that's crazy.
joe rogan
It's kind of hard to believe that that existed just in the 1950s.
That's really not that long ago.
They were gone after communists.
jim gaffigan
I think that's happening all the time.
There's just larger examples of it.
joe rogan
You think, like, blackballing is happening all the time.
Is that what you mean?
jim gaffigan
Well, I think that we have a tendency to a paranoia, I think.
unidentified
Sure.
jim gaffigan
You know what I mean?
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
Yeah, definitely.
jim gaffigan
Like, you know, the Arabs in this country or Muslims had to go through some shit because I think right after 9-11 people were like, huh?
You know what I mean?
I'm not talking about just the idiots.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
Well, a lot of, like, Sikhs had to go through a lot of shit.
jim gaffigan
Yeah.
joe rogan
Guys who are Indian, they have a real problem.
I mean, it's so ignorant.
It's like, You're not even talking about the same continent, you silly people.
jim gaffigan
I know.
joe rogan
I know.
unidentified
I didn't deal with any of that Muslim backlash.
joe rogan
Skated right through, didn't you?
jim gaffigan
I didn't deal with any of that.
joe rogan
Not even a little.
jim gaffigan
Nothing.
But people didn't even...
They didn't think I was Muslim at all.
joe rogan
Yeah, do you think that there's a backlash to being Muslim?
Well, I don't think there is if you're like...
I think if you were like a Muslim actor...
Wasn't there like a Muslim actor on Lost?
unidentified
It was kind of a cool part of his personality.
joe rogan
Remember that was kind of a cool part of his personality?
I think there's been representations.
I think for sure the majority opinion is people are scared, jihadists, suicide bombers, all that stuff.
But I think more now than ever you get a little bit of a positive perspective on You can't call them the same thing.
The guy from Lost, he was a positive character.
He was a badass.
jim gaffigan
He played a guy who tortured people in Iraq.
joe rogan
He still liked him.
jim gaffigan
It was a really interesting story.
Torture and kill people.
joe rogan
It was fascinating how that was a part of his life and that he was shamed by it later and really fucked with him.
That was a great character.
jim gaffigan
Yeah, that was amazing.
joe rogan
That was a great character.
That show was, for the longest time, one of the greatest shows of all time.
The end, I didn't really get...
At the end of it, it seemed like everybody was just walking through the motions.
The last few episodes, I quit.
unidentified
I miss that show.
jim gaffigan
But I do, too.
It's on...
Yeah.
Oh, I thought you said you missed it.
unidentified
No, I missed it.
jim gaffigan
I watched it on Netflix and paid for it on iTunes.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, I did as well.
I even have the DVDs, which I never buy.
I got the Blu-rays.
It's one of the greatest shows of all time.
And no matter who you are, I don't care how creative you are, when you're doing a crazy fucking show where people are allowed to travel back in time and do all kinds of nutty shit from this magical island that doesn't even exist, when you're doing something like that, after a while, man, you've got to run dry.
It must be exhausting trying to think of nutty shit that you're going to do on this fucking island.
jim gaffigan
Yeah, I mean, it's got to be amazing to also kind of tie it together with some semblance of logic.
You're like, alright, so we're going to go back in time.
What would happen if we went back in time?
But we still want that one character in there, you know?
So they had to...
joe rogan
They had weird shit too.
Remember they had polar bears in the beginning?
jim gaffigan
Yeah.
joe rogan
And then they stopped having polar bears.
Yeah.
jim gaffigan
Things disappeared, right?
There was that foot that had like four toes.
unidentified
Yeah, the statue.
joe rogan
Oh yeah.
jim gaffigan
That was never explained.
unidentified
And then they started going forward in time.
brian redban
Remember when Jack had a beard and they were sitting on that bridge and they were like, what happened?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Great goddamn show.
Especially considering it had to operate within the parameters of an ABC primetime show.
jim gaffigan
It's insane.
It's amazing.
I don't know how...
unidentified
It's the hardest job in the world.
jim gaffigan
I don't think shows like that would have a shot.
joe rogan
Yeah.
jim gaffigan
You know, Homeland's a good show.
Have you watched that?
joe rogan
No, I haven't.
I gave up after Lost.
jim gaffigan
You did?
So you just don't watch television?
joe rogan
I don't watch anything that's real.
jim gaffigan
The show ended and you threw your flat screen out the window.
joe rogan
Elvis the TV. I only watched...
jim gaffigan
That's it.
I'm done.
joe rogan
I watched...
It's not a good thing.
It's not Benny Virtue.
I watched Bigfoot Hunter.
I watched fucking two episodes.
I had DVR to Finding Bigfoot.
jim gaffigan
There's a show called Bigfoot Hunter?
joe rogan
Finding Bigfoot or something.
jim gaffigan
And it's like a series where they have more than one episode.
unidentified
Oh, dude.
jim gaffigan
It's amazing.
You think after the first episode, they'd be like, yeah, we're not going to find them.
unidentified
Well, it's awesome.
joe rogan
No, the best part about it is the beginning.
The guy says, I've been hunting Sasquatches for 25 years.
You're like, quit now.
Quit.
Quit now.
You haven't even got a video of one.
You crazy asshole.
jim gaffigan
You know, it's like, hey, you know how those ghost shows are really not realistic?
Like, they never really find a ghost.
What if we did it with Sasquatches?
What's next?
Like, Chupacabra?
Sure!
joe rogan
If they can sell it, they would have it.
It's a fun show to watch, though, because it's so stupid.
I mean, first of all, everyone has a video that they want you to analyze that may have been a Sasquatch, so they have to recreate the scene in the video.
jim gaffigan
Oh, sweet.
joe rogan
It looks so silly, because the people knew exactly where the car was, and this is the tree, and so they line it up on the camera, and then they have this big guy named Bobo, who kind of looks like a Bigfoot, and he goes out there and he does exactly what, and he's always way bigger than the Bigfoot in the video, so it always proves that it wasn't really a Bigfoot boy dude.
jim gaffigan
That's on his resume right now.
Oh, I see here.
You were Bigfoot.
Yep, I was Bigfoot.
Season one.
Season two, they replaced me.
unidentified
It was like a contract association.
joe rogan
Do you remember when Harry and the Hendersons...
jim gaffigan
I wanted to make Bigfoot more empathetic and...
joe rogan
Harry and the Hendersons, like a whole family lived with Bigfoot.
jim gaffigan
You know why not?
joe rogan
Imagine my kids are I don't even trust dogs that I don't know.
This guy's got a fucking Bigfoot hanging out with his kids.
unidentified
You know what?
jim gaffigan
He probably told these stupid humans a thing or two about love.
unidentified
Oh.
jim gaffigan
Yep.
joe rogan
Harry and the Henderson...
There's never been a real good Bigfoot movie.
How about that?
Nobody's ever stepped up.
jim gaffigan
And it's not like the bar has been set that high.
joe rogan
The bar is incredibly low.
The bar is all fraudulent videos.
That's the closest thing to a Bigfoot movie.
jim gaffigan
And I would think after season one, there's a lot of people that watch the show and they're like, why not?
unidentified
I think you should submit a video.
joe rogan
How come there's never been a...
I mean, there was some really bad ones in the 70s or some swamp thing, monster guy.
But there's never been a movie, a good movie, about a bunch of people that encountered Bigfoot.
How is that possible?
That you have such a folklore that has completely permeated society.
He's not sexy enough.
But no one's ever made a...
Not sexy.
unidentified
Bigfoot?
No, Bigfoot's not sexy.
joe rogan
No one's ever made a movie about finding Bigfoot.
That's amazing.
jim gaffigan
That's true.
joe rogan
That's incredible, really.
When you think about how popular it is, you'd think that movie would be huge.
jim gaffigan
Some of the movie ideas they're doing, it's based on a matchbook.
So you'd think they'd have Bigfoot.
joe rogan
Especially in romantic comedies, when you hear some romantic comedy premise and you're like, what?
jim gaffigan
I don't understand.
And they finally meet again at 60. You know, I sometimes feel like I just established consciousness when I was, like, 30. Because, like, romantic comedies, like...
You know, I was so dumb, I think, in my 20s that, like, when...
You know, it would be, like...
You know, Meg Ryan and Billy Crystal, you know, like...
joe rogan
Harry Met Sally.
jim gaffigan
Like, to me, that was just a movie.
I didn't consider that a romantic comedy, which it was.
But now it's, like, this genre...
That has always existed, but they just kind of like just churn out these just like sausage romantic comedies.
joe rogan
Those didn't exist before.
You know what existed?
Movies were when a woman got mouthy, the man gave her the back of her hand.
jim gaffigan
Yep.
joe rogan
Back of his hand.
Right?
That's what they used to do.
unidentified
To the moon, Alice.
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, all that stuff.
jim gaffigan
Those were the good old days.
joe rogan
Billy Crystal fucked us.
Billy Crystal fucked us.
unidentified
What?
joe rogan
He fucked us in Harry Met Sally.
unidentified
He did nothing wrong.
joe rogan
He tried to be manly.
He tried to like be the best...
Oh, that's...
Example.
And then he caved.
jim gaffigan
That or sleep is in Seattle.
Because he...
So you see when Harry met Sally...
Harry met Sally is like...
It's like a sad ending to you.
You're like, you know what?
unidentified
Everyone You're like, yep, there you go.
joe rogan
It just seems like the relationship seems like so much work.
I'm never happy when a relationship that seems like so much work works out.
Because I don't buy it.
I'm not buying it.
It's not going to last.
You guys fight too much.
jim gaffigan
There's a lot of people in relationships.
You just think that they're all acting.
You're like...
unidentified
No!
I don't want Joe Rogan to think that I can't do this.
joe rogan
Listen, everyone has been in good and bad relationships.
That's not what I'm saying.
I'm saying when one is a battle, one is a crazy battle in Carrie Met Sally.
jim gaffigan
Oh yeah, no, where they have nothing in common.
It's like we hate each other.
We don't get along, but we got drunk one night and made out, so maybe we should get married.
joe rogan
Is it getting to the point, you know, I'm 44. How old are you?
jim gaffigan
21. You look great.
joe rogan
Is it getting to the point yet where you look at older married folks that are just barely into each other, barely can communicate with each other, and you look at it and you go, I can see how that can happen.
jim gaffigan
I don't know.
Not...
I don't...
Yeah, definitely.
joe rogan
You'd see how it could happen, right?
jim gaffigan
But there's nothing normal about what we do.
You know what I mean?
Like, I think in some of those married couples, it's like I do everything with my wife.
So it's not as if...
You know, the conversation went like, the silent man, like, don't talk to me, Virginia.
You know, like where they don't talk.
joe rogan
You let your wife talk?
Is that what you're trying to say?
jim gaffigan
You know, yes.
On Tuesdays, she's allowed to talk.
No, but there's that complete communication breakdown.
I don't know.
joe rogan
That's the only reason to be married.
In my opinion, the only way you should ever...
I mean, other than children.
And that, of course, kind of goes with the whole package of that sort of relationship, the really intense relationship.
jim gaffigan
That's homophobic of you.
joe rogan
Thank you.
But the only reason why you should is because you feel like that.
That's it.
And if you don't...
But it's not easy.
jim gaffigan
No, it's not.
There's definitely moments where you're like, this is too hard.
But...
joe rogan
That's what whores are for.
jim gaffigan
That's what?
joe rogan
Whores.
jim gaffigan
No, that's what, you know, you've got to suck it up.
You've got to go long-term.
You know, it's like stand-up comedy.
You know, I don't know, maybe you probably did all right.
But, you know, there's a lot of nights where you just eat shit.
joe rogan
Oh, I ate dick.
jim gaffigan
But you're committed.
You've made the commitment.
Remember when you had friends that quit comedy?
And they'd be like, I'm quitting.
And you'd look at them and you'd go, I don't think I could ever quit.
I mean, I really feel that way.
It's like...
This is not something like, you know, I'll try this and then maybe I'll try archery.
It's not like I had a choice in this.
It's like I was resigned to be like the weird old uncle.
joe rogan
I didn't think that I... When you're constantly making people laugh like you are, even just we're having this conversation, all the three of us, there's that feeling that you get when you're laughing really hard at something where all of our brains are like...
It's like a real energy that goes off when you're really laughing hard at something.
People fucking love that.
You love it.
They love it.
You love to do it.
It's one of the most fun things to be able to do.
To do that to a whole room full of people, to go out and see it, it's one of the most fun things for them to see.
Why would you quit?
What are you doing?
jim gaffigan
I mean, it's...
It's an absolute heroine, right?
Going on stage and being able to make a crowd laugh or just coming up with a new joke.
joe rogan
And by the way, I feel like it's also a responsibility because there's Jim Gaffigan fans out there and you got them addicted to Jim Gaffigan humor and you got to keep coming.
You got to keep showing up.
You got to keep touring.
You got to keep coming to them.
They want to come see you again.
jim gaffigan
Well, you know, I think it's also, you know, even though I think...
Fan is...
I mean, that's a different type.
joe rogan
It's a weird word.
jim gaffigan
I think it's a weird word, particularly for me, but I think it's also really important to, like, do well.
You know what I mean?
unidentified
Yes.
jim gaffigan
Not suck.
Well, you know, if people are paying 30 bucks, it's like, they better leave.
Like, if they don't leave going, that was great.
joe rogan
Yeah.
jim gaffigan
You fucked up.
joe rogan
Some of my most inspirational moments in comedy have been from reading a review of someone who said, like, oh, I thought it was boring, or, oh, I didn't like it.
And I've read those before, and even if you know it's just one douchebag, sometimes it just makes you like, just that anybody can think like that, I have to stop that.
You might not like the subject matter, but if anybody thinks that it wasn't a good show, I need to fix whatever the fuck that is.
jim gaffigan
It's interesting, because there's also...
There's the new material police, which is kind of, it's painful, but it's also good.
It's kind of like, you know, people are like, well, you know, like, 79% of the show was new, you know?
And then there's some people, like, you could do, like, you know, 45 minutes new and do, like, 15 minutes old, and they're like, it was all old material.
You're like, what about the first 45 minutes?
joe rogan
Yeah, people will definitely do that.
And I like hearing, like, Joey Diaz has some jokes I can hear over and over and over again.
I want to hear some, like, when I go to see a guy, and, you know, he's a guy that I've been seeing over the last year or two, I don't mind seeing those jokes over and over again.
I certainly don't expect in a year that he's going to have a whole new act.
jim gaffigan
Yeah.
joe rogan
Unless you just put something out, and that's the crazy...
And you're about to do that right now, right?
Do you do the same thing?
You toss everything out, then you start pretty much fresh?
unidentified
I'm...
jim gaffigan
You know, yeah.
I mean, when I'm in New York, but if I'm doing a theater, I think the most important thing is to try and make it half new, at least.
But also, make sure that it's a really good show.
So...
There is something about...
Like, I don't want to...
I don't want people...
Because, like you said, some people want to hear the old stuff.
joe rogan
It is that weird thing, though.
jim gaffigan
Yeah.
I mean, like, a week ago, it was all new.
It was, like, 75 minutes new.
But...
And I have stuff that I didn't put in this, you know, like, maybe 20 minutes.
So I'll start...
Over with that 20 minutes and kind of throw stuff out.
But when I'm doing a show, it's got to be...
joe rogan
Boom.
jim gaffigan
It's got to be boom.
joe rogan
Yeah.
jim gaffigan
You know what I mean?
joe rogan
You've got a lot of people coming to see you.
jim gaffigan
Even though mine might be like, boom.
joe rogan
Yeah.
jim gaffigan
But I love...
I think...
I'm sorry.
I'm not going to let you talk.
But I think that's what's so amazing about...
We're making each other laugh here.
But that's some of why...
Podcasts are so fun.
It's like comedians want to talk to other comedians.
We just don't have the opportunity.
And so, you know, getting the opportunity to do something like this, you're like, well, yeah, no, I'd love to talk to Joe.
You know what I mean?
joe rogan
Yeah.
jim gaffigan
And you were so nice because I asked to do it that you said...
joe rogan
Well, I'm really excited that you're doing your special the same way Louis C.K. did it.
You're going to release it completely on the internet.
The same price.
I think Louis kind of established it, right?
Five bucks.
I'm going to do the same thing.
jim gaffigan
Yeah.
Well, I think it's, you know, Louis is not the first person to sell something on the internet, but I think he figured it out a real simple thing.
It's like you keep it as cheap.
You keep it cheap.
Five dollars is not going to kill anyone.
And then you make it really easy to buy.
And then you're just honest.
joe rogan
And good.
People are looking forward to seeing Louie's stuff.
And Louie's the guy that, in my opinion, is the most prolific, I think.
I don't think there's anybody as prolific as him.
Every year, a whole new hour and a half or whatever the hell it is.
This whole new show.
jim gaffigan
I did a show with him in Boston like two weeks ago.
And he...
This is going to freak you out.
I'm not sure about this, but I'm pretty positive.
He goes, yeah, I was writing material and I need 45 minutes for my show.
For the comedy section of his show.
And I'm sitting there going...
Wait a minute.
So that 45 minutes that he's written for his show, for his 8 or 10 episodes or whatever of that show, that 45 minutes isn't even going to be part of his next hour, which he'll do probably in two months.
Really?
Oh my god, that's insane.
I mean, I'm not in two months, but I think he does an hour a year.
unidentified
Crazy.
jim gaffigan
So that's...
I heard that and I was like, wow.
joe rogan
Yeah, he must just put himself in weird situations to make things happen that are funny to talk about.
At a certain point in time, you just start driving to bad neighborhoods and going to massage parlors you don't even want to be at.
jim gaffigan
Reading every book on premises.
joe rogan
Yeah, on anything.
jim gaffigan
Because I talk a lot about food and I feel as though there's no more food.
I've talked about all that.
It's like...
joe rogan
Yeah.
I have a theme of animals that can kill you.
I'm always fascinated and terrified by animals that can kill you.
How many tiger jokes can I do?
jim gaffigan
It's so funny.
unidentified
I could listen to you talk about Lean Pockets all day, though.
Because I am a huge...
joe rogan
Like, I eat more Lean Pockets than...
I think it's Hot Pockets.
jim gaffigan
Well, I do Lean because I'm on a diet because he's a lady.
brian redban
But I seriously eat it.
jim gaffigan
I'm joking.
unidentified
But I eat like four a week.
jim gaffigan
It's simple.
unidentified
It's so easy.
joe rogan
That's really not good for you.
jim gaffigan
That's the blessing and the curse of Hot Pockets, right?
It changed my life, that joke.
Hopefully, you know, the whole Beyond the Pale was good, but it's like...
That Hot Pocket, it's a blessing, right?
It's opened up so many opportunities.
Yet, you know, me walking through the airport with people yelling Hot Pocket is not my favorite thing, right?
I mean, I don't even know how to respond to it.
unidentified
Do you get discounts for the coupons?
Do they send you any kind of free?
jim gaffigan
No, but I used to have theater shows and they used to have a guy dressed as a Hot Pocket standing outside passing out coupons or coupons.
unidentified
Oh, wow.
jim gaffigan
For Hot Pockets?
For Hot Pockets.
unidentified
That's awesome.
Wow.
joe rogan
Did you make a deal with Hot Pockets?
jim gaffigan
No.
People thought that I was in cahoots with them, and I was like, I had to send a letter.
You guys can't do that.
joe rogan
Yeah, you gotta pay me.
jim gaffigan
Yeah.
joe rogan
Right?
They have to pay you to do that.
jim gaffigan
Also, I don't wanna be...
joe rogan
You don't wanna be associated with a food product?
jim gaffigan
I don't wanna further feed the Hot Pocket thing, you know?
joe rogan
Yeah, you don't want people actually buying Hot Pockets and having fucking heart attacks on your behalf, right?
It's one thing to crack jokes about it.
jim gaffigan
So, you're doing this special.
When you get done with it...
joe rogan
I'm gonna release it on the internet the same way.
jim gaffigan
And are you going to start from all new?
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah.
You're going to just go on stage.
Well, the Ice House here in Pasadena has an annex room.
It's an 85-seat room.
And we've been doing a lot of shows there.
And it's like the best place ever for fucking around and coming up with new shit.
unidentified
Oh, really?
joe rogan
Because it's really small.
It's super intimate.
It's like real relaxed.
And they kind of know that that's what we're doing.
unidentified
Oh, right.
joe rogan
So we have these podcast shows where all the comics will come and sit around and do a podcast.
Then each one will go on stage and then come back and join the podcast.
unidentified
Like a green room podcast.
jim gaffigan
Oh, wow.
joe rogan
Yeah, but it's a real green room.
I mean, it really is us right before we go on stage.
And you see, like, how much time do I have left?
He's on now?
Oh, shit.
I got to go, ladies and gentlemen.
Thank you very much.
Boom.
And guys will leave.
Then they'll come back in.
Oh, that's fun.
Hey, Joey Diaz just returned.
How are they?
Oh, they're fucking fantastic.
And then he'll start talking about the show.
unidentified
Yeah, you gotta do it.
jim gaffigan
Oh, that's fun.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's really fun.
jim gaffigan
Because then you might have a different interpretation of the audience.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Well, yeah, there's definitely that.
And there's also, when you come back here, there's like this party going on.
There's all these people.
And Russell Peters came by with fucking ten people with him.
It's always something crazy like that.
So it's like it's like a fun it's a fun environment and the shows are amazing and to me it's like I'm just gonna concentrate on doing a lot of those shows like really small shows and I have a bunch of ideas that I haven't like fleshed out yet right right that's nice chuck them in there and see what's up little kernels do you feel like the podcast is influencing your act Oh yeah, for sure.
Yeah.
Well, it also changed my audience entirely.
jim gaffigan
Really?
joe rogan
My audience at one point was like a combination of Fear Factor people, which were fading away, and it was mostly like UFC fans that were kind of curious.
And then, you know, it was still half of them knew what I was doing, but now it's 100%.
Now it's like literally 90 to 100% of the audience is all podcast fans.
So they know you 100%.
They know you as much as anyone could know you ever.
jim gaffigan
That's fun.
joe rogan
Yeah.
unidentified
Huge gay base.
joe rogan
Huge.
unidentified
Huge gay base.
joe rogan
Especially women.
Tall ones.
unidentified
Yeah.
Lumberjack women.
jim gaffigan
Yeah.
You're not describing the type of women you like.
joe rogan
Doesn't bother me.
jim gaffigan
You like, right.
joe rogan
Hey, man.
I'm open to anything.
It's all dependent on what kind of situation I'm in at the time.
brian redban
Do you think there's a guy out there that just goes after the butchiest lesbians?
joe rogan
Of course.
There's people that like everything, man.
There's a broad spectrum.
You've met people.
Have you met people?
brian redban
I've met a few people behind a 7-Eleven in West Hollywood.
jim gaffigan
Yeah.
joe rogan
Shouldn't have went there.
That was too easy.
You ruined the vibe of the room.
unidentified
I'm sorry.
I didn't mean to bring up compasses.
joe rogan
He's talking about gay neighborhoods in Hollywood.
brian redban
Is that West Hollywood, the gayest one?
joe rogan
That's the gayest part of the world, pretty much.
unidentified
We were in Compton today.
brian redban
I was thinking Compton, like, oh my god, we have to go to Compton.
unidentified
That's just scary.
jim gaffigan
It was, like, nice there.
joe rogan
Yeah, well, the part where we were at was not where people live.
We were in an industrial area.
unidentified
He's thinking about it.
It's cheap.
joe rogan
He's thinking about going Total Street just for the cred.
jim gaffigan
I'm actually from Compton.
joe rogan
Are you really?
jim gaffigan
Sue.
Main Street.
joe rogan
Main Street Rosa Parks Avenue Right in the corner Compton We were in a Honey Honey music video Honey Honey is this band that we just found out about like a couple weeks ago and they're like one of my new favorite bands and I went to see them perform in LA. I got to meet them and then they came and did the podcast.
They were fucking amazing and just really cool people and really really talented.
And so Brian and I were in a music video today.
It was super awesome to meet.
unidentified
Jason Ritter was there.
brian redban
And so the whole afternoon I just got to sit down and hang out with Jason Ritter.
unidentified
And I'm a huge John Ritter fan.
So it's just so fucking weird that I'm sitting there.
jim gaffigan
That's the guy that was on that one show.
unidentified
The event?
jim gaffigan
The event.
No, no.
John Ritter was like, he was like one of the nicest guys.
You ever worked with him?
joe rogan
Yeah, I did news radio with him.
He did a couple episodes of news radio.
He was great.
He was awesome.
jim gaffigan
What a nice guy.
joe rogan
Yeah, super, super nice guy.
Yeah, that one was like...
When a guy like that dies, you're like, wow, really?
Really?
jim gaffigan
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
It's like 50 or something like that.
unidentified
That affected me more than any celebrity death.
brian redban
Like, all the other celebrities, like, I don't know that person.
Yeah, it sucks that they're gone, but for some reason, I still think about John Ritter all the time.
joe rogan
I would say that was up there, but Phil Hartman doused it for me.
That was the craziest one.
jim gaffigan
That's crazy.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Yeah, John Ritter was hilarious.
He was a really funny guy offstage, too.
Like, in between takes.
Did you ever do anything with him?
jim gaffigan
Yeah, I did an episode of Ellen's second sitcom with him.
And he was like a really nice guy.
It's so interesting, you know, like the actors that when we were kids, you know, like John Ritter was like, I don't know who to compare him.
He was like the Jerry Seinfeld when we were like kids, wasn't he?
He was pretty huge.
unidentified
Yeah.
jim gaffigan
And such a nice guy.
joe rogan
Great guy.
jim gaffigan
You know?
joe rogan
Who was the guy who was the director?
He was in Starsky and Hutch, and now he's a director.
Do you know who I'm talking about?
God damn it.
jim gaffigan
Jay?
joe rogan
He's the guy whose wife, I believe, died of AIDS. Really?
Yeah.
Yeah.
God, I can't remember his name.
Can you find that, Brian?
Just Starsky and Hutch.
The movie.
Or the TV show, rather.
jim gaffigan
The TV show?
joe rogan
Yeah, the TV show.
Not the movie with Ben Stiller.
Not the new one.
The old one.
When I was a kid, I fucking loved this show.
jim gaffigan
Starsky and Hutch.
joe rogan
Yeah, and then one day...
jim gaffigan
It's Starsky and Hutch.
You seem like you could be a character on Starsky and Hutch.
joe rogan
Thank you so much.
I really love you.
jim gaffigan
No, you know what I mean?
No, because it's...
That was back in that 70s era.
You know, like, who was Peter Falk?
He was one.
joe rogan
Yeah, Columbo.
jim gaffigan
Columbo, and then there was an...
joe rogan
Beretta?
jim gaffigan
I mean, there was, like, the fat guy.
joe rogan
Kojak.
jim gaffigan
What was the fat guy that was the detective?
It was a little later.
joe rogan
Fat guy.
unidentified
Jake and the Fat Man?
joe rogan
Oh, Jake and the Fat Man.
jim gaffigan
But that guy...
Like, that was the last TV show for, like...
joe rogan
Fat people.
jim gaffigan
For fat people.
You know, that was it.
They're like, sorry, you know what, Dennis France, come on in, you can get an Emmy.
But like, the guy was a lead, and he, you know, Dennis France was just like a regular looking guy, but that guy, Jake and the Fat Man, the lead character was...
A big fat guy.
joe rogan
Do you remember Samo Hung?
He had a show on CBS with Arsenio Hall, and he was a fat kung fu guy.
And he'd beat everybody up.
Do you remember that, Brian?
No.
Goddammit, I can't remember the name of the show.
But yeah, he was like a legit kung fu movie star, but he was fat.
And he could throw kicks and head kicks and he could do everything, but he was a fat guy.
And he would fuck guys up.
jim gaffigan
Right.
I wonder what he's doing.
joe rogan
I don't know.
But he was a fat guy that also had a good gig.
jim gaffigan
He had a good gig.
joe rogan
A good solid TV kid.
jim gaffigan
You know, I would be considered a severely obese person on TV. Well, I guess The Biggest Loser, there's big people on that, right?
joe rogan
There's very big people on The Biggest Loser.
jim gaffigan
But there's the emphasis on attractive people.
In movies and television is...
It's not like disproportionate.
It's like ridiculously disproportionate.
joe rogan
Right.
But when you need a character guy, when you need the wacky...
What is the dude's name?
A Steve Buscemi character or something.
jim gaffigan
Movies will do that.
But I think I saw...
I was at the gym once.
And...
And I saw, I think it was an episode of Bones was on.
And again, I don't know the show.
I'm sure it's a good show.
But literally the show was, you know like when you're on the plane and there's a TV show playing and you just kind of watch it.
joe rogan
And you don't have your headphones on.
jim gaffigan
You don't have your headphones on.
And from what I could tell, they went, you know, the attractive couple.
And then someone dies who happens to be an attractive woman.
And then they go to a restaurant that...
I think I put my headphones in.
It was in the bayou, okay?
I don't know if the show's set in Louisiana or not, but it was in the bayou.
And the guy who was the owner of this authentic alligator bayou bar had my accent.
And he looked like he should be hosting the local news, right?
He did not...
If you've been to Louisiana, the people in Louisiana, I mean, I'm a white trash guy.
It's like, you know, that's...
joe rogan
Funky genetics.
jim gaffigan
You know, it's just like people don't...
Like where I'm from, people don't wear...
They wear sweatpants on Saturday night.
You know what I mean?
joe rogan
Right.
jim gaffigan
When they go out because they're not working.
joe rogan
Harry Connick is not the norm.
jim gaffigan
Harry Connick is not the norm.
joe rogan
It's not the norm.
jim gaffigan
And so anyway, so like I watch the show.
I kind of give up and hopefully this is worth it.
So then I watch it and it's just like everyone is...
I think they're FBI agents.
Everyone is like 27. Like the oldest person was like 28. And they're like, now you've been here a year longer than me.
It just was very interesting that there was no one like...
There was no one like 12. Everyone was the same age.
They were the same age.
They were the same size.
All the women were thin and all the guys were kind of work out two times a day, kind of worked out body.
And there was no one...
joe rogan
That 27 years of age is a really pivotal moment for a woman's sexuality.
Very, very important.
You know why?
Because at 20, she doesn't know what's going on.
You're taking advantage of a little child.
And, you know, at 37, she's like probably desperado for a relationship, wants to settle down immediately, only has a few eggs left.
27 is like just old enough so that you're not innocent anymore.
You're a dirty bitch.
You're a dirty bitch and you want some dick.
You know, that's a 27-year-old girl.
That's like really the perfect time.
Perfect time to fuck.
jim gaffigan
You just increased your podcast audience among the female demographics.
joe rogan
Just saying that?
Explaining?
jim gaffigan
Well, I don't know.
I think it's like if you simplify and generalize women...
joe rogan
Well, is it broad terms if I was writing a book?
These are broad terms.
jim gaffigan
I'm not saying all women.
joe rogan
Of course there's variables, Jim Gaffigan.
Don't go Captain Save-A-Ho on me, buddy.
I'm just trying to make a comedy example.
jim gaffigan
I am with the Women's Alliance.
And as the founding member of...
joe rogan
Nobody would like women to be nice more than me.
Nobody would root for them to be awesome more than me.
Nobody's happier when women are nice more than me.
But nobody likes to be or hates to be told what to do by a woman more than me.
I don't like that.
I don't like bossy women.
Especially like aggressive bossy women.
Is there anything more uncomfortable when a woman gets aggressive and bossy with you?
It's like, oh, this is so dangerous.
jim gaffigan
Yeah.
joe rogan
Somebody's going to hit you with something.
jim gaffigan
So you don't like strong women?
joe rogan
Not that.
I don't like bossy, aggressive women.
I like strong men, but I don't like bossy, aggressive men either.
jim gaffigan
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
But there's something almost seems like, oh, this stupid fuck, you can't even help it.
It's in its nature.
But an aggressive woman to me is always like, oh my God, what are you doing?
You're like, you have no brakes.
You're just driving crazy and you have no brakes.
jim gaffigan
Yeah, it's interesting.
Because there's a difference between being a nudge and being confident.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Well, there's a difference between being assertive and being aggressive and confrontational in an unrealistic way.
And whenever anybody does that, it's always uncomfortable.
But for me, it always freaks me out when women get aggressive and crazy.
Like when a woman starts screaming at a guy and putting her hands in his face, I'm like...
Whoa, what are you doing?
jim gaffigan
Right.
joe rogan
Like, this is almost physical violence here.
You're instigating this?
jim gaffigan
Right, right.
joe rogan
Like, this ain't gonna end well.
This is crazy.
jim gaffigan
Like, I bet if we had a fight, like, all the men versus all the women, we would kick the shit out of the women.
joe rogan
Most likely we would do that.
jim gaffigan
I mean, we would totally.
I mean, I might get beat up, but you wouldn't.
joe rogan
I think I'd get beat up eventually.
There's enough of them.
I think there's 51% of the population.
And that 1% means a lot.
If it was like a lot of chicks around you.
And when you talk about millions of people, that 1% could be pretty substantial.
jim gaffigan
But you know there's some guys that would just, like, that's their fantasy.
To get beat up by a bunch of women.
joe rogan
Everybody knows the one guy that has every relationship he's ever in.
The woman's in control.
And she yells at him and tells him what to do.
And he's always miserable.
It's a terrible situation.
Everybody knows that guy though, right?
Everybody.
It's cunty, but I wouldn't want to be a woman and have a cunty man either.
The only reason why I feel this way is because I'm a man and I've seen so many guys get their lives ruined by women who probably can't even help what they're doing.
The reason why I say this is because I had an ex-girlfriend and she was a very nice person.
She liked to fight.
She just loved it.
She would just start to fight for no reason and I'd be like, what are we doing?
Come on, this is crazy.
And after a while, we became friends, but we stopped dating.
And so she started dating this other guy and was going through the same thing with screaming him and yelling him.
But this guy would just take it.
He would just eat it.
And so we had a conversation one day and she's smoking a cigarette and shaking.
She's like, I can't help it.
She goes, I have to test him.
She goes, and when he lets me walk all over him, I just want to fucking, I want to scream loud enough so that he turns me around and tells me to stop.
So that he brings me back to normal and tells me to stop.
I'm like, you might be the craziest fucking person on the face of the earth.
Like, imagine living your life like that.
unidentified
What a bitch.
joe rogan
She's not a bitch.
She's just compelled by her own genetics to not have a bitch for a man.
You know?
She was like a wild horse who needed to be broken, Jim Gaffigan.
You know what I'm talking about?
jim gaffigan
She did.
Yep.
unidentified
Are you still doing Pale Force?
jim gaffigan
Nope.
No, I haven't done that since Conan had Fallon.
joe rogan
What was Pale Force?
jim gaffigan
Pale Force was where it was an animated thing that actually my brother-in-law, Paul Noth, who's a cartoonist for The New Yorker, he came up with this idea of an animated series where Conan and I were superheroes that would fight crime with our paleness.
Sweet nipples.
We would shoot lasers from our nipples and...
unidentified
It was awesome.
brian redban
The art style, did he do that?
jim gaffigan
Yeah, he did all that.
brian redban
Did he do the Saturday Night Live Funhouse video?
jim gaffigan
No, that's Smigel.
Oh, Smigel, that's right.
unidentified
But yeah, I loved it.
I thought it was a lot of fun.
joe rogan
You should do that more.
jim gaffigan
Yeah, I think, well, NBC owns it, and NBC and Conan, I don't know if they're in that good of...
Oh, that's right.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah, that's right.
jim gaffigan
Yeah.
unidentified
Masturbating Barrett, they can't even do that.
joe rogan
What a mess.
What a mess that whole thing became, huh?
jim gaffigan
What a mess is right.
joe rogan
So crazy.
Just the whole idea was crazy.
Putting the Jay Leno show on at 10, like, what?
You're gonna have the Tonight Show on, but just earlier?
jim gaffigan
When they did that, didn't you think that that was...
I thought that was their way of like, well, if Jay fails, then we say we give him a try.
But I think that's what I thought they thought was going to happen.
But what happened was because Jay was on earlier, it killed Conan's chance to even get an audience.
So people would watch The Tonight Show at 10 and then they wouldn't watch it later.
Does that make sense?
joe rogan
Yeah, it does.
Yeah, it was ridiculous.
It was silly.
It was a silly idea.
jim gaffigan
It's weird.
You know, you're the comedy policeman.
joe rogan
No, I'm not.
unidentified
You are.
joe rogan
You called me that before the improv and I told you it made me very uncomfortable.
jim gaffigan
That makes you uncomfortable?
joe rogan
Not really.
But I only...
jim gaffigan
That's what I'm not enjoying.
joe rogan
Step in for one piece of civil unrest.
I've never done anything since.
jim gaffigan
Well, there's something about that whole situation with Leno, and I don't know Jay at all.
But if there was a Joe Rogan of that generation, maybe to go and explain it.
That's our new show.
You look for Bigfoot, and you saw comedy kind of...
joe rogan
Well, I think for all of us, there's been a few instances in the past where there was a guy that was kind of like clearly plagiarizing another guy, and then one guy became famous with other people's shit.
I mean, it's happened more than once, and we've all felt the real pain and frustration of watching someone do somebody else's material, where you know that they're stealing.
They're not compensating on them, they're just stealing.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And it was like a Wild West thing.
It was like no one was doing anything about it.
And to treat it like it was no big deal, you're absolutely crazy.
It's the core of someone's ability to perform on stage, is having great material.
jim gaffigan
It's their life.
It's their life.
joe rogan
You can be the best comic in the world, you have nothing to say on stage for that moment.
If you go on stage and you have nothing prepared and you have nothing to say, you're fucked.
It's not going to be good.
You need premises, you need material.
And so to pretend that it wasn't a big deal, The industry was treating it like it wasn't a big deal.
And we were like, this is crazy.
jim gaffigan
No, I think you did something.
I told you that night, what you did was very important.
I mean, it was very important.
joe rogan
Well, for us, it had to happen.
It had gotten to a point where everyone was just turning a blind eye to it because they were profiting off of it.
And that's what happens when a person becomes successful and is a plagiarist.
If it was any other form of art, whether it was writing, writing would be super clear.
A guy would go to jail.
If it was music, they'd take all your money.
If they can prove that you have the same beats and you're copying it, they'd take all your fucking money, man.
jim gaffigan
And we're not talking about similar premises.
joe rogan
Which we all have.
jim gaffigan
Which is all going to happen.
joe rogan
Tiger Woods.
Who has a fucking Tiger Woods joke?
Raise your hand.
Everyone.
Everyone sat down and said, this is a goldmine.
You can never claim a premise, but you absolutely know.
jim gaffigan
You know when language is lifted.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Well, you also know where there's smoke, there's fire.
And they can't...
I truly believe that people who steal can't write.
I really do.
I think it's the...
I don't think you can do both.
I think something happens when you steal and that this...
Being disingenuous, this pretending, this bullshit, knowing that you are not really doing what you're claiming to be doing, that you're pretending and that you're ripping people off and lying and projecting this false self-image, which is all ego, which is exactly what shuts you off from the ability to come up with new shit.
When you come up with new shit, it's not like you, thinking about you, you see something and go, look at this right here, this This is ridiculous.
You know what I mean?
It's not you.
It's you coming up with it and you thinking about it, but you're not involving yourself.
You're not trying to project a certain image.
You're not making sure that people think of you a certain way.
You're not even thinking like that.
Because when you do think like that, That shuts off creativity.
And when a guy steals, what a guy's doing when he's stealing is he's trying to make himself better than he is.
He's trying to pretend that he's smarter than he is.
He's trying to put out stuff pretending that he figured this out when it was really someone else.
It's all ego.
jim gaffigan
It's really sad, too.
It's sad in a way because I think that it's almost as if, you know, like policemen, they have like rabbis.
You know, it's like I feel like almost comedians should have rabbis.
Someone to sit there and go, all right, you know what?
You might not want to do that.
But it's such a strange business and we're all very individual.
But, you know, the irony also is that any comedian would tell you that The respect of their peers is way more important than whether you're selling out Saturday night.
joe rogan
Yeah, that hurts guys bad when their peers turn on them.
It's brutal.
That hurts guys bad.
jim gaffigan
It's like, you know, it's like you always heard about comedians that like, you know, like African American communities, when they would, comedians, they would lose the black audience.
I mean, that's brutal.
unidentified
Yes.
jim gaffigan
But like when comedians...
You know, don't respect it.
unidentified
I heard it's a great weight loss.
joe rogan
It's great for weight loss, I heard.
Yeah, because you have no money for food.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
unidentified
But...
joe rogan
Yeah.
That could be really devastating to guys.
jim gaffigan
Let's talk about something more depressing.
joe rogan
No.
I mean, I think, you know, what's important is, like, what we were talking about earlier when we were talking about Louis C.K., like, that...
When you're doing it the right way, not just doing it the right way, but, like, fucking trailblazing, like, way faster than anybody else is being...
Putting out that kind of material.
And putting out great stuff.
It's not like the quality is suffering.
It's still really funny.
Great observations.
There's a lot of thought behind it.
It's really great stuff.
So we sit here and we talk about that.
How amazing that is.
That's the positive thing.
And I'm sure he gets that all the time.
Because that's what the fuck he's doing.
He's got this whole momentum thing going.
He keeps churning out the great new stuff, people keep enjoying it, and it keeps moving and moving and moving.
And that's really an example for everyone to see, every young comic to see.
It can be done.
Just do it the right way.
You do it the right way, it's incredibly satisfying.
But if you hack and chop your way and take other people's premises, man, boy, you're not just fucking yourself up, you're fucking him up, you're fucking the community up if it gets tolerated.
It becomes a real problem.
jim gaffigan
Yeah, because I think some of the cliches, and you might disagree with me, I think basic cliches about comedians are not true.
A lot of them, yeah.
All comedians hate each other.
I think that's actually the opposite.
I think most comedians, if you're getting on stage, you're predisposed to like the guy.
joe rogan
Yes.
jim gaffigan
Or a woman.
joe rogan
Yeah.
If I see Sinbad, I don't know Sinbad, but if I see Sinbad, I mean, I'm not really into his stuff, but I'd be like, hey, what's up, man?
How you doing?
jim gaffigan
That's the thing.
It's like there's so many different types of comedy.
You're at least going to be respectful.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Of course.
unidentified
Always.
jim gaffigan
And you're not going to go out of your way.
I mean, there are exceptions where I think Larry the Cable Guy and David Cross had a feud.
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, I think that was silly.
I read David's arguments about that.
I thought that was really silly.
I mean, I think, yeah, Larry does have, like, a few sort of Islamophobic sort of raghead jokes in his act.
But, I mean, wouldn't that...
I mean, he is playing a character.
Are we supposed to pretend that the character wouldn't think like that?
I get confused about that.
When you know the guy's name is Dan Whitney and he's doing a thing called Larry the Cable Guy and this guy's supposed to be stupid as fuck and live in the South...
I see Dave's argument that it might be encouraging racism, but I also like, really?
Do you think Larry the Cable Guy is changing anybody's mind about whether or not arrows are bad?
jim gaffigan
Censorship, it's a slippery slope, right?
joe rogan
It is a very slippery slope, yeah.
To shit on anyone's choices when it comes to that.
I mean, some of the funniest stuff I've always said is the most inappropriate and ridiculous, like Otto and George.
Have you ever seen Otto and George in New York?
jim gaffigan
No, no, are you kidding?
joe rogan
It's one of my favorites in New York.
jim gaffigan
When I first got opening spots in New York, when I would tank, and then there would be a middle that would do okay, and then Otto and George would go up.
joe rogan
What year was this?
jim gaffigan
1831?
joe rogan
He's got something he's doing online.
Check it out.
It's called The Pig Roast.
I don't know the exact address, but if you Google it, just Google Otto and George The Pig Roast.
Otto and George is a hilarious puppet act in New York, and he was always like the example of a guy who would just say, the dummy was evil as fuck.
His dummy would say the meanest, nastiest shit.
jim gaffigan
The quote is that people would leave, and they would say, that one guy was funny, but I thought the dummy was really rude.
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
It's like...
unidentified
He would say some of the craziest, most ridiculous, racist shit.
joe rogan
And he would tell the dummy, hey man, you can't fucking say that.
That's wrong.
And the dummy would be like, fuck you.
What a great gimmick.
To have a really angry, psychotic fucking dummy.
And the comedy is him.
He says fucked up shit.
And you go, man, I can't believe you're saying that.
jim gaffigan
He's all innocent.
That's not even me.
joe rogan
Fucking brilliant idea.
jim gaffigan
I can't believe he did that.
joe rogan
But that's a style of comedy.
It's like death metal.
Are they really killing people every day?
jim gaffigan
Right, right.
joe rogan
That's a good point.
You know, it's a style.
It's a type of comedy.
And people want to say, like, shock comedy, that it's cheap.
I so disagree, because it doesn't work unless it is funny.
I mean, shock comedy won't work on me unless it is funny.
And there's a certain art to writing ridiculous, shocking shit.
There's an art to it.
It's a genre.
It's a style.
jim gaffigan
I think the shock comedy is the Acela line in the Northeast.
joe rogan
A what line?
jim gaffigan
The Acela line.
What is that?
Amtrak from Boston to D.C. There's the Acela line.
Have you ever heard of that?
unidentified
Oh, no, no.
jim gaffigan
I never heard of it.
But that's where tough guy comedy comes from, is like Boston, New Jersey, Philly.
And that Amtrak train goes up and down that.
And those are the tough guys.
You're a tough guy.
You know what I mean?
joe rogan
How did we get to this?
What were we talking about?
What were we just talking about?
jim gaffigan
I don't know.
joe rogan
I completely lost my point.
It just made me uncomfortable.
jim gaffigan
Did I make you uncomfortable?
Not really.
But you know what I'm talking about.
unidentified
Otto and George.
jim gaffigan
No, Otto and George.
But Otto and George.
joe rogan
Angry, mean comedy.
jim gaffigan
Not necessarily mean, but...
joe rogan
Shocking.
jim gaffigan
I think in New York it was...
It was important to appear tough when I was starting out.
joe rogan
Really?
jim gaffigan
Not having emotion attached.
You see that in Louis.
Louis has it.
And Attell has it.
And Kevin Brennan has it.
And Marin, I mean, even though Marin is...
He has a little bit like being unfazed by, at least on stage.
unidentified
Right.
jim gaffigan
Does that make sense?
joe rogan
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
jim gaffigan
You have it too.
joe rogan
Well, you have to really be into what you're thinking about.
And if you're into what you're thinking about, you're not going to be really phased if people are into it or not.
You know that there's a certain number of people that are your people.
jim gaffigan
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know, especially if you're doing weird shit.
You know, I mean, you're really clean, but really funny.
But do you ever find yourself in a situation where, like, everyone in front of you, around you is just talking about anal fisting and loads and rape?
And then you go up and you're like, okay.
jim gaffigan
You're like, hey, who wants to talk about cake?
joe rogan
What about bacon?
jim gaffigan
Well, no.
You appear...
Someone's fucking a chair or simulating something like that.
unidentified
That's my move, bro.
joe rogan
That's my shit.
jim gaffigan
No, but it's hard to go up there and go, you know, it's interesting.
The third section of the USA Today, it's hard, right?
Because you just appear so boring.
joe rogan
Right.
jim gaffigan
But if you follow...
So if you don't follow someone really filthy or kind of like...
joe rogan
Crushing.
Someone that just crushes.
jim gaffigan
Crushes or just kind of just irreverent, you know, just thick irreverence.
Then, you know, it's not...
I mean, you can do it.
It's just, like, it's different styles of comedy.
You know what I mean?
It's like, if, like, Metallica went on, I wouldn't want...
joe rogan
James Taylor.
jim gaffigan
I wouldn't want to be James...
Thanks, so you're calling me James Taylor.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
James Taylor is awesome, by the way.
I'm a James Taylor fan.
jim gaffigan
Come on.
joe rogan
He's a badass.
I like James Taylor.
For real.
jim gaffigan
Yeah.
No, so it's different.
unidentified
Just yesterday morning, they let me know you were gone.
jim gaffigan
See, I was growing up.
joe rogan
He's a bad motherfucker.
jim gaffigan
When I was 16, I got my driver's license.
Here's another boring story by Jim Gaffney.
And I got my driver's license and went to a concert with...
I'm the youngest of six kids, so my brothers and sisters went to a concert, which was the James Taylor concert.
I know this sounds edgy already.
LAUGHTER So I was 16, and I thought, you know, all you gotta do is show an ID, and they'll let you have a beer.
And so I showed my ID. I got my driver's license that day.
So I showed him the ID, and the guy took my ID. He goes, you're not 21. And he took the ID, so I didn't have an ID. So I got my driver's license that day.
So then the next day, my dad in the morning was like, hey, let me see your driver's license.
You know what I mean?
And so then a week later, my driver's license shows up in the mail with a letter from the guy who ran, I don't know, somewhere in Chicago, Alpine Valley or whatever.
And the guy's name was James Taylor.
So like James Taylor, I'm like, James Taylor?
unidentified
Dude.
jim gaffigan
That was kind of boring.
joe rogan
You guys are connected.
jim gaffigan
Yep.
This Coke Zero is going to my head.
joe rogan
You're getting crazy.
jim gaffigan
I'm getting crazy.
joe rogan
James Taylor will do that.
He does it to women.
Occasionally, you hit the estrogen genes that you have dark, dark in the closet, tucked away.
jim gaffigan
Yes.
joe rogan
See, I sang the beginning of that song, and I saw you slump a little in your chair.
You melted a little.
jim gaffigan
I melted a little bit.
joe rogan
James Taylor's songs are like little back rubs.
jim gaffigan
But that's also, you know, that's kind of, now some of those songs, it's like, I know those songs because of my brothers and sisters, right?
I mean, it's not like I was sitting there like, alright, I gotta, you know.
joe rogan
Well, somebody introduced you to it, but did you ever buy a James Taylor CD on your own?
jim gaffigan
I don't know.
Maybe.
I don't know.
No, I didn't buy a CD. I have.
joe rogan
Proudly.
I think I even bought a cassette at one point in time.
jim gaffigan
Yeah, but you're like an MA. You're like a martial arts expert.
joe rogan
So you're allowed to?
jim gaffigan
You can wear pink.
And people would be like, he's still a tough guy.
I'm not going to call him a pussy.
But I sit there and I read the New York Times and people are like, let's beat up the librarian.
You know what I mean?
That doesn't really happen.
joe rogan
Are you being self-deprecating?
Nobody tries to beat you up while you're reading the New York Times.
jim gaffigan
That's happened many times.
I actually played football in college.
People think I'm a pussy.
joe rogan
That's scary.
Football is fucking terrifying.
jim gaffigan
It was Division 3. Whatever it is.
joe rogan
Big people running into you, man.
That shit's dangerous.
jim gaffigan
Did you ever do any of that?
joe rogan
No!
I wrestled in high school and my coach was always like, Rogan, you should play football.
You're crazy.
You'll be great out there.
jim gaffigan
I wrestled in high school.
joe rogan
I wrestled 134 pounds.
jim gaffigan
134 pounds.
That was the ladies division.
joe rogan
Yeah.
No, I was under the ladies.
I would help them.
jim gaffigan
I would help them get ready.
No, I was 167. I remember I was undefeated my senior year.
joe rogan
Were you really?
jim gaffigan
You were a killer wrestler?
177. Again, this is a small high school.
And so, you know how, like, we didn't have tons of...
Guys on the team.
So, like, I lost, like, 10 pounds in a week.
Remember, like, people used to do that in wrestling.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah, I did that.
jim gaffigan
You'd lose 10 pounds to go to a different division.
joe rogan
Yeah.
And you would wrestle that day, too.
jim gaffigan
Because there was, like, some, you know, big fat guy who could do mine because they didn't have someone for that slot.
Right.
So, I lost 10 pounds.
I was undefeated.
And then, you know, I went out there and I, like, blacked out.
unidentified
Yeah.
jim gaffigan
You know, and it was brutal because it was close to an undefeated season.
joe rogan
That's pretty badass, though.
jim gaffigan
I beat the guy that was third in state.
joe rogan
Wow.
How come you never did anything with it afterwards?
You ever tried jiu-jitsu?
jim gaffigan
You know, I don't like standing up.
You don't exercise at all?
I mean, yeah, no, I used to be thin.
joe rogan
But I'm not talking about, like, back in the day.
I'm talking about, like, do you do anything right now?
jim gaffigan
I do that P197 or P90X. You don't even know the number?
joe rogan
I've heard that's really good.
jim gaffigan
I've heard it's good.
joe rogan
I've heard it works.
If you just follow what this guy's doing, it really will transform your body.
It's all scientific principles behind it.
jim gaffigan
I used to work out.
I was pretty buff.
joe rogan
I watched a video of it, and it's fucking pretty intense stuff.
unidentified
I tried it once.
I couldn't do it more than once.
It's intense.
jim gaffigan
How often do you work out?
joe rogan
Five days a week, at least.
jim gaffigan
Five days a week.
Do you have, like, a gym in your house?
joe rogan
I have two gyms in my house.
jim gaffigan
Well, that's normal.
joe rogan
I have a weightlifting gym in my house, and I also have a kickboxing set up.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
It's all caged in in my garage.
jim gaffigan
That's amazing.
joe rogan
Yeah, a company did it, or rather, a television show did it called Garage Mahal.
It's pretty badass.
unidentified
Was it ever released, that show?
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's Bill Goldberg, that big wrestler guy.
He's the host of it.
And they take over your garage, and in three days, they transformed it.
My garage is just like an episode of Hoarders.
It's disgusting.
jim gaffigan
And then you're kind of like, where am I going to park my car?
joe rogan
No, no, no.
It's a four-car garage, so I have two cars.
Dude, I'm a high roller.
I was on NBC for years.
So two cars is just padded up and caged in.
jim gaffigan
What kind of cars do you have?
unidentified
Do you like cars?
jim gaffigan
They're all Hondas.
Are you into cars?
joe rogan
Yeah, I like cars.
unidentified
All Hondas.
jim gaffigan
You got two cars?
joe rogan
I got a few cars.
jim gaffigan
How many cars do you have, Jay?
joe rogan
I have four cars.
jim gaffigan
Four cars?
Really?
And what's the love of your life car?
joe rogan
I have a Porsche, a GT3. It's basically like a regular Porsche.
They take all the unnecessary shit out of it, like the back seat.
They strip all the sound deadening.
They make it lighter.
They put a bigger, stronger, high-revving racing engine in it, tighten up the suspension, carbon fiber brakes, the whole thing.
It just becomes the most ridiculous, responsive car you could ever drive.
It's like you're glued to the road.
Like you feel like everything.
It's incredible.
Not even for driving fast.
Not even for driving illegally.
jim gaffigan
This is kind of...
It makes me think of this point.
It's like when you started stand-up, did you think that you were...
I mean, maybe...
I don't know you that well.
It's like I went into stand-up because I wanted to.
I never had an expectation that I would be able to afford to have a family from stand-up.
You probably didn't expect that you'd be able to...
Own four cars.
joe rogan
No, never.
Of course not.
I never would have believed that I could make a living off of it in the beginning.
That was a dream, a distant dream.
The great dream was to be a local Boston stand-up comic, to be like a local guy.
You know, there was a bunch of local guys that made a living.
Look, he's got a nice Honda.
He's got a great fucking apartment.
It's a loft.
His office is on the top floor.
That's where he writes.
He's a pro.
I'm like, this is a pro that gets paid to be a comic.
jim gaffigan
He's actually doing something he likes for a living.
joe rogan
Yeah, unfathomable.
jim gaffigan
Yeah.
joe rogan
I just had a series of shitty jobs.
All of it.
Drove a limo, did construction, delivered newspapers, every possible ridiculous job.
So no, I would have never thought I'd have four cars.
I would have never thought I'd have money at all.
jim gaffigan
It's amazing.
joe rogan
Yeah.
jim gaffigan
It is amazing.
joe rogan
It's weird.
I think the lesson that other people can learn always from anyone's success is it might not be the same path, but if anybody can do it, you can do it.
It really is that fucking simple.
And it might not be everything.
It might not be, I can't play basketball.
I can't run.
I'm not a jumper.
I'm not fast.
I'm too short.
I can't do that.
Maybe I could.
Maybe if I dedicated myself 100% to that.
I mean, wasn't there a guy like Muggsy Bogues?
He was like 5'6".
He played in the NBA. But the point is, whatever the fuck it is, just do it.
Just go do it.
Find a way to do it.
If anybody can do it, you can do it.
jim gaffigan
I think there's also adjusting.
Because when you have these, when you do interviews, like when you're touring, doing stand-up, headlining in clubs, you'll get interviewed by the local paper.
And they'll want to create some story.
joe rogan
For a headline.
jim gaffigan
He's from Indiana.
He had no shoes.
joe rogan
Don't talk to him about cake.
jim gaffigan
You know, it's like these elaborate stories.
So it ends up, you know, it's like, I don't even...
Our stories, our real stories...
They kind of adjust.
I think when I started stand-up, I loved stand-up, but I wanted to be a writer for Letterman.
I thought that would be an unbelievable job.
It's an amazing journey.
joe rogan
Yeah, that is an unbelievable job.
I mean, that's like the elite of the elite as far as comedy writers.
Like, this is Bobby Wright for Letterman.
unidentified
Whoa.
joe rogan
You write for Letterman?
Holy shit.
jim gaffigan
Yeah, no, when we started...
joe rogan
Yeah, Letterman was always the top of the...
I think right now, I mean, I love Letterman, but I think Jimmy Kimmel is at least his equal.
I think Jimmy Kimmel is fucking brilliant.
jim gaffigan
I really think he's the best.
I think they're all equal.
joe rogan
Yeah, Conan's always equal.
I mean, he's always funny in his own way.
I think he's very different than those other guys.
And I think one of the beautiful things about his show was all the things that people have grown accustomed to that they pulled from him that he can't even use now.
I think that's really fucked up.
It's so silly.
The whole thing to me is just so stupid.
You can't do the talking dog anymore?
You can't do...
What?
There's like a million things that you can't do anymore.
That's just petty horse shit.
jim gaffigan
I think that's completely petty.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's ridiculous.
jim gaffigan
It's a strange...
joe rogan
You let the show go.
That's the show.
The show's over there now.
It's with Conan.
Come on, man.
jim gaffigan
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's just so silly.
jim gaffigan
It's very strange.
joe rogan
They should be able to buy it back.
jim gaffigan
They should.
joe rogan
Sell it back to cheap.
jim gaffigan
I mean, that's what happens in the NFL. Someone goes and they're the head coach here, and then you go there.
He goes to another team.
You get something for it, but it's not like you're sitting there.
Because I think there's no, like these coaches, they're not supposed to be able to coach.
joe rogan
Right.
jim gaffigan
You know, like if they leave, they have to finish their contract of seven years or whatever.
unidentified
Right.
jim gaffigan
They're not supposed to be able to coach for the rest of the seven years, but they do anyway.
joe rogan
Well, didn't that happen with radio with Tom Likas?
jim gaffigan
Oh, really?
joe rogan
I think Tom Likas had a deal with the 97.1 FM Talk in LA, and they syndicated his show all throughout the country.
And those talk radio shows, I don't know what killed them, man.
What killed talk radio shows?
unidentified
Tom Likas.
joe rogan
Because, look, man, when you think about what that was, that network, I believe they had Howard on in the morning, right?
It was Howard?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And then it was Frosty, Heidi, and Frank.
And it was like, there was a bunch of good fucking shows.
It's like, how did that go away?
Like, what happened?
What killed talk radio?
brian redban
Well, radio is just hurting in general.
jim gaffigan
I think it's these podcasts.
Do you think that?
joe rogan
No.
I don't know.
No, it's because that was before podcasts.
Before we had ever done a podcast like this was off the air.
unidentified
Yeah, but satellite radio was killing them.
joe rogan
Were podcasts really popular when Lycus was off the air?
We obviously weren't doing, but was anybody?
brian redban
Yeah, podcasts were really popular and then it went away.
Then the iPhones kind of came out.
joe rogan
But that was pre-Corolla podcast.
Right.
Corolla still had the radio show.
brian redban
Yeah, but it was satellite radio.
joe rogan
That's why Corolla was the morning show after a while, remember?
He took over when Howard went to satellite.
That's what it was.
jim gaffigan
What do people listen to in the morning in LA? Like, living in New York, I don't listen to the radio.
joe rogan
You used to be awesome.
That's one of the things that I used to love the most about driving to work and being stuck in traffic was that I was listening to Howard Stern.
jim gaffigan
Well, Howard Stern's not open.
joe rogan
No, he is.
He's still on.
But, I mean, on regular radio, regular radio, that doesn't exist anymore.
There's nobody like that anymore.
I mean, there are some morning shows like Kevin and Bean in L.A. Oh, yeah.
jim gaffigan
Well, Kevin and Bean, they're huge, right?
joe rogan
Yeah, they're the last, the Mohicans.
brian redban
Carson Daly and Seacrest, don't they have shows also?
joe rogan
Carson Daly has a radio show?
unidentified
I thought so.
He used to.
I don't know.
joe rogan
I know Seacrest does.
Seacrest has like 100,000 fucking jobs.
He must be insane.
Nobody works harder than that guy.
unidentified
I know.
joe rogan
Who puts in more hours a day than that guy?
He's on that E! show.
He's got a radio show.
He's on Star Search or whatever the fuck it is.
What is it?
Dancing with the Stars.
What the fuck is he on?
unidentified
The big one.
joe rogan
American Idol.
The big one.
unidentified
That show's still on, did you?
joe rogan
I think it's amazing.
jim gaffigan
There is something.
What you're saying, there is something about...
People want to...
It's not greed.
It's like, I think that...
And I don't know Ryan Seacrest.
Big surprise.
But I think he wants his empire.
I think some people want their empire.
joe rogan
Well, I think he recognizes the opportunity.
He's a smart guy.
jim gaffigan
I think that's...
And it is very smart, but maybe it's...
joe rogan
Crazy.
jim gaffigan
I think it is a little crazy.
joe rogan
Probably a little crazy.
jim gaffigan
Don't you want to have a little fun?
joe rogan
Well, and also, he might just super...
The only thing he's into is entertainment.
That might be true, too.
Brian, what are you doing with the fucking thing, you crazy asshole?
unidentified
What?
joe rogan
What are you doing with that effect?
unidentified
I'm getting ready to go to the bathroom.
joe rogan
Oh.
Oh, so you're going to leave the screen like this?
jim gaffigan
Oh, I like that, dude.
joe rogan
That's very clever.
Do you feel weird when we're right next to each other on this video screen?
Can we just talk?
Let's look at the screen and let's see if we can have a conversation this way.
unidentified
Try to kiss him.
joe rogan
I bet we can't.
I bet we can't.
jim gaffigan
I don't know how to even get over there.
joe rogan
It's too weird.
jim gaffigan
It's like I'm not the brightest guy.
joe rogan
It's a weird thing to watch yourself talk.
I don't think that's healthy.
jim gaffigan
Yeah, I'm not.
I was editing my special, and my wife and I were, and it was...
unidentified
I hate it.
jim gaffigan
The thing is, it's one thing.
It's like, I'm out of shape.
It's like, that's the beauty of not looking at yourself, is not realizing how out of shape you've gotten.
Not that I was easy to look at before I was out of shape.
joe rogan
Half your act is a little bit about self-indulgence and delicious things.
jim gaffigan
And gluttony.
joe rogan
Do you think that if you got yourself in spiffy condition, that might fuck up your material?
I've heard people say shit like that before.
jim gaffigan
That's interesting.
You know, there was a point, you know, when, about a year ago, well, I was doing something else, but I thought, you know, I was working out, I had more time, so I was working out more consistently and not eating horribly at three in the morning.
And I was like, you know, it entered my mind.
It's like, am I going to be too in shape for some of these jokes?
But, I don't know, that's kind of, that's just me being neurotic, right?
joe rogan
Am I going to be too in shape for these jokes?
That's hilarious.
What a great escape clause.
My act is so important.
I can't do sit-ups.
jim gaffigan
I can't.
I'd work out, but I might mess up that third chunk in the hour.
joe rogan
This is so stupid, but I really believe this.
That I was getting into meditation and I was getting into yoga and a bunch of things when I was young.
And when I first started getting into comedy, I thought about it and I said, you know what?
Maybe I shouldn't do this because maybe becoming more enlightened is probably bad for my act.
jim gaffigan
Oh, that's interesting.
joe rogan
Because then I wouldn't be making fun of as many things or picking as many victims.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
jim gaffigan
Now, that's a comedian thinking there, right?
joe rogan
Especially Boston-style comedy is so mean.
So, you know...
It's attack style.
And I was thinking, man, if I became enlightened and I was all like, peace and love, this would be terrible for my act.
And I'm not going to stop being a comedian.
jim gaffigan
I wouldn't want to eat healthy.
I think I got another hour in me being fat, then I go healthy.
joe rogan
I own my fans.
Yeah, and then you run out of shit, and then you go healthy, and then nobody wants to come see you anymore.
jim gaffigan
Well, I used to be really thin.
I mean, I did.
I know you're looking at me like, no, you weren't.
joe rogan
I believe you.
No, actually, I remember you being thin just, I mean, not even a decade ago.
jim gaffigan
Yeah.
joe rogan
Right?
jim gaffigan
Yeah.
joe rogan
How long ago was it?
jim gaffigan
I don't know, eight years ago?
joe rogan
Who was the guy, there was a guy who was like a really funny fat guy, and then he lost a lot of weight, and then he kind of like stopped being around.
I want to say Vic something.
Vic Dunlap.
jim gaffigan
It's so funny I was thinking Vic Dunlap.
joe rogan
Yeah, very funny.
He's really, really heavy.
And then he lost a lot of weight.
jim gaffigan
Or he had the surgery.
Maybe he had the surgery.
joe rogan
I don't know if he did or he didn't, but whatever method he chose, maybe I'm just not up on what he's doing these days.
But I remember seeing that guy everywhere when he was big.
And then he got skinny and...
Don't hear about it too much.
jim gaffigan
No, well, you know, it's weird because we also, people will disappear and you don't even realize they're gone.
joe rogan
Yeah, that is weird, right?
The guys that you were like, I thought that guy was going to be around forever.
That guy was really funny.
jim gaffigan
It's interesting.
unidentified
Yeah.
Is it women?
brian redban
Is it getting married, having kids, you think?
joe rogan
It could be that.
It could be some people get tired of the stress.
You know, Jim and I, we're talking about how much we love stand-up, but we never quit doing it.
But everybody's got a different psychological makeup.
And for some people, the anxiety of performance is, like, really intense.
jim gaffigan
Yeah.
Well, it's also, I think that...
Some of it's luck.
It's a real cruel business.
I was definitely an angry guy.
A lot of people were successful before me and I was angry for a couple of years.
joe rogan
Really?
How did you get yourself out of that?
jim gaffigan
Therapy.
joe rogan
Really?
jim gaffigan
Yeah.
joe rogan
Wow.
jim gaffigan
I came to the conclusion that I was not doing stand-up.
I was happy for my friend's success, but I felt like I was a failure.
But I had to come to the conclusion, what is success?
And what success is, is like doing what you love and actually getting paid for it.
And so then I adopted that attitude and then things started going my way.
And that's why I'm releasing a 12 book series.
joe rogan
That's interesting, man.
That's really cool.
I love hearing stuff like that.
I love hearing somebody figuring things out and just turning it all around.
jim gaffigan
A lot of wasted energy on Andrew.
joe rogan
That was really, yes.
jim gaffigan
A lot of wasted energy.
joe rogan
Haters.
I always say no haters are winners.
There's no people out there writing scathing YouTube comments where they just break down your fucking soul.
Those are not winners.
They're not happy.
There's no way you are.
You're wasting your energy.
You're wasting it.
jim gaffigan
Yeah, it's also, it's like you put out, you get what you put out.
joe rogan
Yes, you do.
jim gaffigan
And it does make you feel, you know, like if you're feeling shitty and you help someone, you feel better.
joe rogan
Yes.
jim gaffigan
Particularly if you steal from them while you're helping them.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
I don't know, man.
It's just really nice to me to see someone kind of figure things out like that and get a new perspective on things.
jim gaffigan
But don't we have to learn these lessons like over and over and over?
joe rogan
I don't remember who said it, but they said that inspiration is effective, but it's like bathing.
It only lasts for so long.
That's why we recommend it daily.
And the idea being that, you know, I guess it's easy to fall into a pattern of just not having your shit together or not thinking right or, you know, letting yourself get jealous or letting yourself go down a negative way.
You know, people like this, it's a big cliche, like, you know, I'm just trying to keep it positive.
Sometimes what really keeping it positive means is addressing some shit that's not positive at all.
And getting to know what the fuck is making you tick.
And if you find out that you're getting angry for someone else's success for no reason, it's like your brain knows you're talented.
You know you're talented.
But why isn't anybody else seeing it?
Instead of your brain using that resource and going, let's just make sure it's undeniable.
Let's just concentrate on being funnier and funnier until no one can say shit.
jim gaffigan
Yeah, well, it's the undeniability thing.
But I think also, for me, I have to be in touch with being humble.
I know this is sounding really corny, but usually when I'm angry is when I think I'm in control.
I'm crazy enough to think that I can control the entertainment business.
unidentified
Yeah.
jim gaffigan
Or I can control whether my flight's delayed.
That's just insane.
It's like, well, maybe if I'm angry to this flight attendant, the plane will take off sooner.
It doesn't make sense.
So when I'm in touch with being humble, it ends up paying off.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's a very important aspect of comedy.
jim gaffigan
That's the 13th book of my series.
joe rogan
Well, we were talking about earlier about guys who wind up stealing material, and that stealing is the opposite of being humble.
You want more credit for who you are, what you're selling.
You're pretending it's better than it really is.
It's the exact opposite of humility, and that is the exact wrong state of mind to be in for creativity, I think.
jim gaffigan
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's so fucking awesome that you figured that out, man.
I was, for sure, at a certain point in time early in my career, I really had a hard time enjoying comedy.
Because when someone would kill, when someone was really good, all I was thinking is, man, are they better than me?
Fuck, I hope they're not better than me, man.
Fuck, how good is that?
That guy's pretty fucking good.
It would bother me that something was good.
I couldn't just enjoy it.
I couldn't just sit back and watch.
It took a while before I figured that out, that that was holding me back, that I would work with people and if they were really good I would get nervous.
Instead of the way I do it now, I bring really funny people on the road with me on purpose because I want to be laughing too.
I work with Ari Shafir, I don't know if you know him, and Duncan Trussell, and Joey Diaz, and Tom Segura, all these really funny guys.
When I'm sitting there waiting to go on stage, I'm laughing my ass off, and it puts me in the perfect state of mind.
I want them to be brilliant.
I want them to kill.
But when I was young, I was terrified of it.
I didn't want anybody else to be any good.
I wanted them to be terrible so that I could fucking skate by on my shitty act.
jim gaffigan
Yeah, well, it's amazing how we evolve.
And I think it's insane how...
I think podcasts are making comedians...
Like, it's siphoning out...
I mean, I'm a jokesmith.
And it's adding, you know, discourse or kind of reflection back into stand-up.
joe rogan
Right.
jim gaffigan
Whereas it used to be like, well, it's the deal with keys, right?
And so now it's, I feel like, I don't know, maybe I'm wrong, but, you know, it's like podcasts are influencing some of this.
You know, it's like Pete Holmes even said that to me.
He said that his podcast is changing his act.
And I'm like, that makes sense.
It's got to be so fun to like, when you hear a bit and then you can go, you know what?
Because, you know, when you hang around some friends, you know, like three in the morning, you don't have someone recording it.
joe rogan
Right, right, right.
jim gaffigan
But like when you're doing a podcast and you're like, go back to like that in the middle.
I said something funny.
That might be a bit.
That might be a bit.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
I've definitely come up with some bits from the podcast, 100% for sure.
jim gaffigan
That's great.
joe rogan
Yeah, I mean, you're talking three hours at a pop, you know, many times.
We've done many three-hour ones.
We did a Kevin Smith one.
I think that was the longest one we ever did, like three and a half hours?
unidentified
Yeah.
And it's thanks to Twitter, too, for reminding you.
brian redban
You'll say something and be like, oh, shit, I did say that.
jim gaffigan
Twitter is amazing.
joe rogan
It's amazing.
jim gaffigan
Twitter is changing how...
I mean, I've done things on Twitter, and I remember like a year ago, I did some jokes because we just had a kid, and I was driving to do a show, and the guy who was opening, he was like, you're going to put those in your act, aren't you?
And I was like, I didn't even think of that.
And he was like, yeah.
And it's like, they're great jokes.
And now Twitter is this source of like, is this funny?
I mean, 99% of the time, no, but...
If you can get two great lines that can open up a topic, that's amazing.
joe rogan
Well, you're going to get some tweets from this podcast, for sure, where people will tweet quotes that you said that made them laugh.
That happens all the time, right?
And you'll forget you even said it.
And then someone will tweet it.
That's fun.
What's your numbers now?
What do you have for your Twitter followers?
jim gaffigan
It's so funny.
joe rogan
It's all I follow every day.
jim gaffigan
There's a strange obsession.
It's crazy.
I think it's 960-something.
But I'm getting close.
joe rogan
96?
960?
960. 960,000.
Holy shit.
jim gaffigan
But I've been working.
joe rogan
Dude.
jim gaffigan
I've been working.
joe rogan
When you're in a million, are you going to feel different?
jim gaffigan
You know, I've only, over the past month or two, started to even have conversations on there.
Like, first of all, initially I was like, I'm not going to have a conversation.
Like, there's Twitter things.
We should go over this, and then I should go.
But here's the first one.
The first one is...
And some of my friends do this, so it's like to each their own.
It's like when someone says, Jim Gaffigan was awesome tonight...
Part of me, the desire is to retweet that, but that's almost bragging, right?
joe rogan
Yeah, you get a humble brag for that.
jim gaffigan
Right, and so then there's the...
So there's that.
And then there's even having conversations.
Like, I had always wanted my timeline to just be jokes.
Just jokes.
You know, like, maybe an appearance page list.
You know, it's like, I'll be in Tampa, blah, blah, blah.
By the way, I will be in Foxwoods on June 2nd.
No, and so because...
joe rogan
JimGaffigan.com?
jim gaffigan
JimGaffigan.com.
And so I would do that, but there's also something insane about that, because there is something social, and if your friend says something funny, it would be fun to respond.
So I've just been doing that for the past two months.
But how many people do you follow?
joe rogan
I follow a lot.
jim gaffigan
I follow a lot, too.
joe rogan
I follow over a thousand.
unidentified
It kind of sucks.
brian redban
I've been thinking about cutting my numbers down lately.
jim gaffigan
You can't do that.
brian redban
Yeah, but there's so many people who are like, dude, I tweeted for a week.
joe rogan
I've cut a few celebrities.
I was following some celebrities as a goof, and it's just moronic shit over and over again, and I'd get crazy, and I'd have to delete it.
jim gaffigan
Well, I've done that, but I also feel like that's kind of like inviting someone to dinner and then saying, sorry, you can't come, isn't it?
I don't know.
joe rogan
No, it's like...
jim gaffigan
How about when?
joe rogan
People unfollow me all the time, especially really douchey people.
I'm sure some woman will get mad at my not wanting women to be running things.
jim gaffigan
Right.
joe rogan
I quote about that earlier.
You fucking sexist pig.
By the way, that all came from watching a woman yell and scream at a guy yesterday, pointing at his face in a ridiculous situation where I thought...
It could escalate to violence and I might have to step in as kind of craziness.
So that's just the origin of that.
jim gaffigan
Maybe not really.
joe rogan
Maybe I just made that up too.
You don't know.
jim gaffigan
We don't know.
But we're going to agree with you.
Because we're sitting in a room with you.
But, uh, what was the, uh, thing about the Twitter thing?
It's how about this?
How about like when you have like, you know, a comedian, uh, you know, there's friends and then there's peers that you kind of know.
joe rogan
Right.
jim gaffigan
And you'll be like, Hey, you know, I'm going to send them a direct message.
And then you realize they don't follow you.
Isn't there a little bit like, really?
unidentified
Yeah.
jim gaffigan
Yeah.
Really, you don't follow me?
joe rogan
I've done that accidentally, though, and I apologize.
Like, I didn't realize I wasn't following somebody.
And there's people that I knew I was following that for some reason I wasn't following.
jim gaffigan
I've had that, too.
brian redban
Twitter's been doing that a lot lately, and I think it's the iPhone.
I think if you have the iPhone, you'll have the app open, and then you could easily, like, hit it, you know, unfollow.
jim gaffigan
And accidentally unfollow someone?
unidentified
Yeah.
Because it happens to me all the time.
joe rogan
You know what else has happened?
I used to have a Blackberry and I had an iPhone at the same time.
And when I had my Blackberry, I would go and check a direct message on Twitter, and then I would go, I've got to respond to that eventually, but I don't have time right now.
And then I would go check it online, and there'd be no direct message.
It wouldn't exist anymore.
Like, what the fuck?
unidentified
I didn't delete it.
brian redban
Well, I do know that if they delete a message, it deletes it.
unidentified
Oh, really?
joe rogan
So somebody can send it to you, think that you didn't respond, just delete it?
unidentified
Yeah.
And then there's another thing.
joe rogan
That I feel like a dick.
brian redban
If you go to somebody's page and it says that you're not following them, if you hit refresh, a lot of times then it will say you're following them.
unidentified
Like it just doesn't show up that you're following them.
brian redban
And so then you might click it thinking like, ah, I thought I was following this.
unidentified
Oh, then you unfollow.
jim gaffigan
And then that's unfollowing.
Are you kidding me?
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
So anytime you...
joe rogan
God damn it.
jim gaffigan
Great.
It's like, I exist with enough guilt already.
You know?
So anyway, I eventually have to go.
joe rogan
You gotta get out of here right now?
unidentified
I do.
joe rogan
What time is it?
Yeah, it's 8. Yeah, it's 8.17.
jim gaffigan
Yeah.
joe rogan
Alright, listen, you sexy bitch.
jim gaffigan
This was fun, though.
joe rogan
Thank you.
Anytime.
Please come by.
You're awesome, man.
Anytime you want to do it, please.
How often are you out here in LA? Not that often.
You live in New York City?
jim gaffigan
I've got four kids.
joe rogan
Four kids.
You live in Manhattan?
jim gaffigan
Yeah.
joe rogan
Wow, what is that like with four kids living in Manhattan?
jim gaffigan
It's like really hard.
joe rogan
Yeah, I would say, what do you do with them?
How do you take them places and stuff?
jim gaffigan
And we live in a two-bedroom.
Holy shit.
joe rogan
Wow, and that's probably $100,000 a month, right?
jim gaffigan
Well, I own their place.
joe rogan
Fucking ridiculous, aren't they?
jim gaffigan
It's insane.
joe rogan
It's the craziest way to live.
jim gaffigan
I'm sure my apartment is like half the size of your garage.
joe rogan
Wow, that's ridiculous.
And you must pay a shitload for it, too, right?
jim gaffigan
Well, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
I had a friend who's got a $4 million apartment, and I was like, this is $4 million.
This is $4 million.
This is like $1,600 a month in Burbank.
This is $4 million in New York.
This is fucking craziness.
jim gaffigan
It's craziness.
It is.
unidentified
Move to the West Coast and we'll start a podcast.
joe rogan
Yeah, dude, if you ever want to come out here, man, you would be running shit.
jim gaffigan
I'm not a driver.
I don't drive.
You couldn't imagine the amount of anxiety when I was like...
unidentified
The 5?
jim gaffigan
The 134?
It's like, I don't drive that much.
joe rogan
Marijuana and a navigation system, and you'll be fine.
Don't worry about it.
It's all figured out.
You'll never have to worry about how to drive.
You can't say that you could never live here because of the sun, because you wouldn't be outdoors that much.
unidentified
I did a ginger.
It's fine.
She just wears big hats.
joe rogan
Yeah, you'd be fine, dude.
jim gaffigan
You can do it.
Well, I don't know.
joe rogan
You're scared of the sun, for real?
jim gaffigan
No, you know what?
Some of it is, I think, the entertainment business.
I don't know if I want to be that deep into it.
joe rogan
Yeah, you're probably right.
I know what that means.
You can live in a completely different world than New York.
People are, for sure, more informed.
jim gaffigan
You know, the caste system that exists in Hollywood.
Oh, he's on a network show, so he gets to go here.
And then here's an indie actor, so he jumps over you.
Oh, you're a comedian?
You can go back there with the mimes.
joe rogan
Is that how you feel when you're out here?
jim gaffigan
I think that there is a hierarchy here.
joe rogan
Well, I think that if you came out here, just if I was saying it, I was going to say, Jim Gaffin, this is what you could do.
If you came out here and started a fucking podcast and you'd have all the comics that are out here, or you could actually even do this in New York if you wanted to, but you would have a huge podcast.
I think it would be enormous, and I think it would change everything.
Change how you promote your club dates, your theater gigs, anything you're doing.
It would be amazing.
For sure, easily.
People would, right away, you'd be in the top five in iTunes.
unidentified
That's why you do it here at Death Squad.
joe rogan
You'd be in the top five in iTunes right away.
I'm 100% convinced.
unidentified
Oh, yeah, yeah.
brian redban
You'd be one of the few people that I would subscribe to.
joe rogan
Yeah, you're perfect for this, man.
jim gaffigan
I could do it with my wife.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's not a bad idea.
Tom Segura does it with his wife.
brian redban
That only works out 50% of the time.
joe rogan
It only works out 50% of the time?
Well, you mean with couples?
jim gaffigan
Good thing you're not saying that.
joe rogan
You don't mean like Tom Segura.
unidentified
No, no, no.
joe rogan
His shit sucks half the time.
unidentified
No, I'm just saying with couples.
joe rogan
Let's just be clear.
Yeah, most of the time it causes a breakup.
So either way, it's a win.
It's a win-win.
jim gaffigan
All right.
joe rogan
Jim Gaffigan, ladies and gentlemen.
unidentified
Thank you.
joe rogan
And you can get his special, When and How?
jim gaffigan
April 11th.
joe rogan
April 11th.
jim gaffigan
Five dollars.
joe rogan
Five bucks.
jim gaffigan
At jimgaffigan.com.
joe rogan
Jimgaffigan.com.
G-A-F-F-I-G-A-N. Yes.
Dot com.
Dude, you're the fucking man.
Will it be available on iTunes or Amazon or any of those places?
jim gaffigan
Just Jim Gaffigan.
joe rogan
Just Jim Gaffigan.
Okay, cool.
Awesome.
Thank you very much for coming, sir.
jim gaffigan
Thank you.
joe rogan
Appreciate it.
It was awesome.
unidentified
I appreciate it.
joe rogan
It's so fun.
Yeah, it's always fun to have a comic.
Especially a comic that I don't really get a chance to talk to that much.
unidentified
I know.
jim gaffigan
This is fun.
joe rogan
Really cool.
Yeah, really cool.
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unidentified
The Fleshlight.
jim gaffigan
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joe rogan
That's Little Lester.
jim gaffigan
That's a little kid, right?
joe rogan
No, she's a grown woman, actually.
She calls herself Little Lester.
unidentified
She tattled on me for parking at the company.
joe rogan
Oh, Little Lester.
Why'd you go negative on me?
Come and give me a hug and apologize to Brian.
Thank you to Onnit.com.
O-N-N-I-T. Makers of Alpha Brain.
Go get yourself some.
Always 100% money back guarantee for the first order of 30 pills.
You know why it's not more?
Because there's some people out there that are assholes.
And it used to be you can have it all money back.
100%.
Whatever you bought.
100% money back guarantee.
But then people were selling that shit.
So we had to stop doing that.
It's dirty, dirty people out there breaking the law.
Breaking the law.
Cutting through the rule systems.
Hacking the system.
They hacked the system, Jim Gaffigan.
God damn it!
Anyway, Onnit.com, AlphaBrain, Shroom Tech Sport, Shroom Tech Immune, and New Mood, the 5-HTP enhancement supplement.
As always, please, Google Nootropics.
Get yourself into that shit first.
Check it out.
Find out what the pros and cons.
And if you're interested in AlphaBrain, go to JoeRogan.net, click on the link, enter in the code name Rogan.
That's JoeRogan.net.
Yeah, not.com, who's a very nice guy, by the way.
Don't harass him.
unidentified
What is he doing?
joe rogan
He's a real estate salesman in Idaho, and he just sent me some email that was accidentally supposed to go to me, but it went to him.
What the fuck is this podcast still going on for?
Good night, everybody.
We got a packed week.
Tomorrow, we have Jason Silva on Tuesday, Aubrey Marcus, and then on Wednesday, we got Matt from Hoarders, the guy who cleans up after those fucking crazy people.
So we got a busy week.
All right, you dirty freaks.
We'll see you soon.
unidentified
Bye.
Love you.
Olive Garden.
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