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Feb. 7, 2012 - The Joe Rogan Experience
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Joe Rogan Experience #182 - Bryan Callen, Jimmy Burke
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unidentified
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joe rogan
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unidentified
Yep.
joe rogan
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brian redban
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joe rogan
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unidentified
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joe rogan
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brian redban
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unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
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bryan callen
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joe rogan
Where was I?
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joe rogan
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unidentified
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unidentified
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joe rogan
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bryan callen
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joe rogan
Yes, I did.
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Fascinating.
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bryan callen
Yeah, bigger than, yeah, it's bigger than that.
It's huge.
It covers an area of colour.
joe rogan
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What?
A mushroom whale?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
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joe rogan
Oh, and then you take that.
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The immune one?
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Oh.
joe rogan
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bryan callen
Ladies and gentlemen.
joe rogan
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bryan callen
That's right.
We got Jimmy in from New York.
unidentified
Hit the button.
joe rogan
Let's start this bitch.
bryan callen
Let's do this.
Come on, catch up with me.
unidentified
All day.
Come on.
joe rogan
In the opening, Nick Diaz has even more significance now.
What happened to the microphones?
There we go.
bryan callen
What do you mean Nick Diaz is more significant?
joe rogan
Because he's the one that says Train by Day, Joe Rogan Podcast by Night.
bryan callen
Oh, really?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's his voice.
He said it after he beat BJ Penn up.
bryan callen
Does he listen to the podcast?
joe rogan
Dude, him and his brother Nate, a huge podcast.
bryan callen
Yeah, let me tell you, Nate, Nate, Nick, are you listening?
You're my favorite fighters.
You're my favorite fighter.
joe rogan
No one's more fun.
bryan callen
I love Nick because, and I love Nate, but Nick is the guy for me who he comes to fight.
He doesn't want to win on points.
He doesn't care.
He comes in and he's looking at him going, what, bitch?
He's plodding in, taking shots.
joe rogan
He's so confident and comfortable up there.
It's weird watching him with his hands down going, what, bitch?
What?
Everybody runs from him.
bryan callen
I want to be him.
It's sad.
joe rogan
It's so rare that a guy tries to actually fight him like dog eat dog in the center of the octagon.
bryan callen
You got to come up with a strategy like cutting corners.
joe rogan
Yeah.
bryan callen
And you know, Conda, it's a great, good on him.
He was an amazing, tough guy.
I have a lot of respect for him.
But you got to fight that way.
You want to stand and bang with that guy or with his brother and stand and bang with those?
Because you look at those guys physically.
They're not the fastest, the strongest.
They don't have the physical gifts that a lot of those guys do.
unidentified
And yet they just stupid endurance, too.
joe rogan
Their endurance is off the chain.
They don't get tired.
bryan callen
It's Nick Diaz reminds me of Roberto Duran.
That's what he is.
joe rogan
Tell you what, I was impressed with Carlos Conet's endurance, too.
But when I watched the fight, when I was there live, this is really interesting, too, because when you watch it live, when I'm doing commentary, I'm there, but I got a very peculiar angle.
It's a great seat, don't get me wrong, but basically everyone's feet are right where my eyeballs are, and then there's a cage in front of me.
So you're actually better off watching it at home.
You have a better seat at home with the, with a, you have a big screen TV.
bryan callen
Yeah.
joe rogan
You get a better view of the fights than I do, which is crazy.
bryan callen
Baseball or football.
You're better off staying at home.
You get close-ups.
joe rogan
But I miss shit that's happening in the fight.
Like Fabrizio Verdum took big country's back.
I didn't see how he took his back.
I completely missed it because there was a referee there and then there was a post.
So all of a sudden, Verdum was on his back literally like in a second.
I think what happened was Roy took a big swing and he missed and then Fabrizio Verdum took his back.
But I'm scrambling.
I'm looking at the monitors.
I get on the truck.
I'm like, show me that again.
Show me that again.
bryan callen
What the fuck just happened?
joe rogan
Whereas at home, you would know exactly what happened.
The UFC camera production crew, they're the best.
brian redban
We're on in 3D, Joe.
bryan callen
They're amazing.
joe rogan
Did you see the 3D version?
brian redban
No, no, no.
Is there a 3D camera?
joe rogan
Is there a 3D version this time with John Anne?
brian redban
Where does that play?
joe rogan
I don't know.
I think they do it in movie theaters.
brian redban
I'm now starting to like the 3D TV.
Pixar just released Toy Story 1, 2, and 3 now.
So now it's starting to get movies.
It's starting to get worth it.
joe rogan
It's picking up.
It's picking up.
bryan callen
By the way, Big Country, I am so astounded at not only his endurance, but his skill.
I mean, I look at it.
joe rogan
He's about his ability to take a punch.
bryan callen
He's the craziest thing I've ever seen in my life.
He's the craziest thing I've ever seen in my life.
Verdum is a giant.
joe rogan
He's a huge man.
Huge man.
bryan callen
This guy was taking shots to his face like nobody's alive.
joe rogan
It's ridiculous knees that would have put anyone else unconscious.
bryan callen
And he kept coming.
joe rogan
He's amazing.
No one's ever even had him hurt, man.
Junior Dosanto's bombed on big country and never had him hurt.
Never had him like in trouble.
There's no one like him.
bryan callen
He's indestructible.
I've never seen him.
And he's good.
joe rogan
His fucking ass jiu-jitsu's nasty, and his right hand is a fucking bomb.
He's just unbelievably determined.
And the way his head is built, he's just built to take shots.
I mean, there's guys that are just built to take shots.
And it's his will, too.
It's his spirit, his fighting spirit.
I mean, there's a reason why he does so good, like looking the way he looks.
bryan callen
Can I explain that?
joe rogan
No matter how physically strong he is, you know that's a disadvantage.
It's a disadvantage, period, to be that fat.
There's no doubt about it.
bryan callen
But all I was thinking was like, look, hey, dude, come to Hollywood.
I'll fucking trim you up.
You should be a 205.
joe rogan
Listen, yeah, yeah.
He's not going to hang out with you.
bryan callen
You have a show.
joe rogan
You're a comedian.
Yeah, but I'm very funny.
You got to carry away already.
bryan callen
Oh, I'm sorry, sorry, sorry.
joe rogan
He's working out with professional fighters.
Brian's like, listen, I did Taekwondo.
bryan callen
Big country.
unidentified
High school is a good thing.
Big country.
bryan callen
I was a high school wrestler.
Big country.
Listen up.
joe rogan
I got to talk to you.
bryan callen
I'd have him on lentils.
His heart.
joe rogan
The thing about Big Country man is his heart.
You can't fucking shut that heart down.
His heart is, he's got an indomitable spirit.
bryan callen
But here's what I'm saying.
joe rogan
It's not even, I don't even know if it's physically that he takes the shots better than other people.
It just refuses to go down.
Refuses to stop.
bryan callen
I think your head has to be constructed because your chin gets hit.
You go out.
joe rogan
Yeah, well, I mean, definitely, I mean, look at it.
He's got a big wide head for sure.
bryan callen
But, but here's what I'm saying.
Here's what I was watching.
His camp, he trains and stuff like that.
It's not that hard to get a professional nutritionist into your camp or whatever to bring that weight down and get him to a 205.
Can you imagine what he's doing at 205?
joe rogan
He would crush people.
But what he has been doing, though, is he's putting weight on with muscle.
So lifting weights, and that alone is making him lose fat.
He's lost a lot of fat.
He's down to 246.
He's way over 260, but he could be a middleweight.
You know, if he was like a Rich Franklin type dude, they'd want to get low body fat.
jimmy burke
You think so?
joe rogan
Oh, yeah, yeah.
Six feet tall.
Look at his frame.
That's 185-pounder.
Yushinokami is a big fucking dude.
bryan callen
He's huge.
joe rogan
You look at him, you think he's a heavyweight.
Meanwhile, he cuts weight and gets down to middleweight.
unidentified
It's weird.
joe rogan
But going back to the Diaz-Condit fight, so my point about missing things is I watched the fight at home.
And when I watched the fight at home, I had a slightly different opinion.
When I watched it live, I thought that Carlos Condit won it.
And I thought going into the fifth round, I was like, wow, the way this worked.
I was saying, you know, in the fourth round, I was like, Condit is winning this fight.
And when I said that, I was a little bit out of school because on the scorecards, maybe necessarily wasn't winning it in my head even.
But there was a trend in round three and four where Condit was scoring way more than Diaz was.
And that's why I was saying that Condit's winning this fight.
Or Diaz, you know, I think that Diaz is losing this fight.
I felt like it was moving away from him.
And then Nick took his back in the fifth.
And so you got to say, man, that's the biggest moment of the fight right here.
unidentified
It was.
bryan callen
And by the way, didn't he end with an arm bar?
joe rogan
No.
No, he took him out.
No, Carlos got out of it.
Carlos is actually pounding on him at the very last seconds.
Took a shot at him, and they actually were in some sort of a scramble where their legs were locked up in like a 50-50.
But the bottom line is when I watched it at home, I gave Nick Diaz round one, round two, and round five.
So at home, when I watched it, I thought Nick Diaz won the fight.
Live out of the cage, I thought Carlos Connet might have edged him.
I didn't, you know, when you're doing commentary, you know, people always say like, oh, you know, like, you know, like you're watching it and, you know, you're right there, and you're talking about it.
That's just as good as a guy who's judging it, but it's really not.
When you're judging a fight, you should shut your fucking mouth.
You shouldn't be talking right when I'm talking, I'm doing commentary.
I'm trying to explain things to people, and my mind-the way my mind is working-like, I'm explaining, I'm trying to explain footwork and angles, I'm trying to explain positions when they go to the ground, especially.
I'm trying to like, you know, if you're there with your dad and your dad doesn't know what's he's gonna, what's going on right here, these guys getting queer with each other, you know, I'm there to explain.
I'm there to go, no, no, no, the right arm is the choking arm.
They're like, oh, yeah, oh, I see what he's doing there with that right arm.
He's sneaking it under his chin there.
That could choke him.
You know, like, I'm there to explain that.
So while I'm doing that, I'm not doing the most objective job of scoring.
You know, a guy scoring the fight.
First of all, now thinking today after watching this big country for Doom thing, not only should the judges have monitors, that's all they should be watching.
They shouldn't even be watching the fight.
You should have the judges, they don't even have to be in the same room.
The judges don't even have to be cage-side.
The judges should be in front of a giant-ass fucking TV.
brian redban
On a waterbed in a dark room with lava lamps and just having a good time to get it.
joe rogan
Just put a camera on them to make sure they're not beating off.
bryan callen
That'd be weird if you look over and you're like, why are you beating off to the fight?
joe rogan
But Dana White said today that it might be possible for Conda to fight Nick Diaz again before GSP's ready.
Really?
Yeah.
Condit's camp, of course, said they didn't want to do it right away.
His manager said it, but if they offer him enough shekels, he might step up.
And plus, if the public wants it.
I won't.
I would love to see that.
Absolutely.
I think he fought a great fight, but watching it at home, I gave the nod to Nick Diaz.
bryan callen
Well, the question then becomes, though, for Nick, is Nick is such a loyal guy to his camp, from what I've heard.
I don't want to speak for him, but those guys are so tight.
It's one of the other things I love about the guy.
People say he's a bad, he's a tough, mean guy.
I think he's actually probably a very sweet person.
joe rogan
He's a great guy.
bryan callen
He's a great person.
joe rogan
Unless you're trying to fight him.
bryan callen
Right.
Who has to work himself up to the point where he hates the guy he's going to fight.
And then after he beats guys, he's really cool with him.
joe rogan
Well, it's a little of that, but it's also he's smart.
You know, Nick Diaz is, look, he might not have spent a lot of time in college.
unidentified
He's smart.
joe rogan
But he's a smart dude.
There's no way you can push yourself the way he pushes himself, like cardio-wise, without being aware of the benefits of that and calculating the benefits of that.
So if you've got a guy who's willing to do something, if you got a guy who's willing to do something that extreme because he knows there's a benefit in it, you don't think he would talk shit because there's a benefit in that psychologically?
You know, people judge him by that, like, oh, he's a thug.
He's a gangster.
He's a bad guy.
He's a smart dude.
If you're in a fight with somebody, man, and you hate that guy, then you're all tense and you're fucking swinging for the fences and you're making mistakes and you can't bear to think of this dude beating your ass.
You got to kill him.
And that's how dudes gas out.
And you're a guy whose entire strategy is based on imposing your skill set and your extreme endurance.
That's what Nick Diaz has.
Of course he would talk shit.
It's like he's making them wear weights.
You know, he's making them run with weights.
bryan callen
It's the greatest thing in the world.
The first time Conant did that spin kick, I mean spin elbow.
I heard him go.
He goes, apparently he goes, because I asked Conant and he goes, oh, what are we doing?
We're doing spin shit now?
joe rogan
Yeah, he throws kicks disdainfully sometimes.
He doesn't, like, he threw a lot of hard kicks at Conant, but sometimes he throws kicks he knows are not going to land.
He's like throwing karate kicks in the air.
bryan callen
It's an insult.
joe rogan
I'm not worried about you.
unidentified
He's amazing.
bryan callen
Kate taking shots going, what's up, Benzford?
He's such a beautiful, like, to me, he's just so poetic.
joe rogan
So fun to watch.
And he was super cool after the fight was over, you know?
Even though he thought that he lost a decision.
I'll tell you what, man, I did not know, man.
It's one of those fights, like I said, where after it was over, I was like, man, I can't wait to watch this one again.
Because I looked at my Twitter feed immediately, and the Twitter feed was half of it with Condas kicked his ass, half of it was Diaz was robbed.
And there were so many fighters that said the same thing.
It was really a very interesting fight.
bryan callen
It comes down to philosophy too, doesn't it?
It comes down to philosophy.
Some people will say, like GSP, take GSP.
The GSP is very smart and very strategic about looking for where his opponent is weak and exploiting that hole.
joe rogan
But he'll win.
GSP takes guys down, and at least that gives you the opinion.
Well, he just did control this fucking guy.
What Cond was doing is moving away from an aggressor, and people don't like that.
bryan callen
That's right.
joe rogan
People don't like that.
bryan callen
It's like Floyd Manthrell.
He's very defensive, very defensive fighter.
And that's how you fight Diaz, by the way, it seems.
Cutting corners like that and moving to his, to his, I guess he was moving to the bottom.
joe rogan
I got to be honest, man.
I was looking into the fight, I gave Diaz a big advantage.
I was like, man, I don't know if Condit's ever fought anybody this hard.
And I'll just look at what Diaz does to everybody, what he does to Paul Daly, what he did to Frank Shamrock.
And I know that Condit is a step above both those guys, several steps above.
In fact, I think Condit is elite.
bryan callen
But I don't think he's tall.
joe rogan
Yeah, he's very tall.
I didn't think he'd ever fought anybody with that much experience, that much style.
The way Diaz fights, that much aggression.
I was like, this might be a tough fight for him.
And I anticipated if I had to bet money on it, that he would lose a decision.
And then I was really surprised around the third and fourth round.
I was like, man, he is fucking pulling this off.
bryan callen
I guess Diaz, if there is a second fight, would Diaz go back and change it.
joe rogan
I think if there was a second fight, Diaz would fucking sprint at him.
He would sprint at him.
What different strategy?
What's he going to do different?
No, he's just going to give him less opportunities and just throw himself into the fire more.
bryan callen
But it's hard.
Somebody's moving to your, you know, you're a softball and the guy's moving right, you know, he's cutting that corner off.
You've got to have an answer for that.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
But look how.
Yeah, but look how easy Nick Diaz got his back.
Look how easy he got his back in the fifth round.
People don't realize how good Nick's ground game is.
Nick's ground game is elite.
bryan callen
That's why they stand in bang with him because they don't want to go to the ground with him.
joe rogan
Exactly.
But I mean, you're talking about two guys that have been duking it out for four fucking rounds and a half.
Okay.
They're going full clip.
It's a highly anticipated lot of pressure.
And Nick still gets him to the ground, gets his back like that.
That's like, you know, you know how hard it is to get a dude down and then get his back in a fucking championship fight that quickly?
That was an extreme case.
His ground game's nasty.
And I think that he has a big advantage over Conda, I think, in that department.
I think if they fought again, I think he would probably try to initiate the ground game.
bryan callen
It's hard to get Conda down because Conda's very strong.
I think Con is stronger, it seems like, than Nick.
Probably just bigger and stronger.
joe rogan
Yeah, he's stronger.
bryan callen
And that's hard to get somebody down like Condon.
joe rogan
Nick got him down, though.
He got his back.
And that was an interesting thing.
It was like one judge had some ridiculous thing where they had Condit winning four rounds.
I was like, wow, that's kind of crazy.
I mean, I could see him.
I gave him four.
You gave him four rounds, Ford of one?
You gave Condit four?
That's the great Jimmy Burke, ladies and gentlemen.
How come I can't see Jimmy Burke on camera?
unidentified
Huh?
joe rogan
I don't see him on camera.
brian redban
It's just a yay can.
joe rogan
Oh, you're moving it.
Is that what you're doing?
Oh, we're on a delay.
The internet's a delay.
bryan callen
Jimmy, Jimmy, by the way, has mastered the art.
joe rogan
Why did you think that Condit won four rounds?
unidentified
Well, I think we're all in agreement how smart Nick Diaz is.
jimmy burke
He's a smart guy.
He's crafty.
He's intimidating.
joe rogan
Right.
jimmy burke
And so how smart must Condit be?
joe rogan
Wear your eyebrows, by the way.
jimmy burke
Right.
I'm sorry.
bryan callen
I have no eyebrows.
I have no eyebrows.
unidentified
Skeletor.
joe rogan
That's so crazy.
unidentified
He's Skeletor.
jimmy burke
I have no eyebrows.
joe rogan
It's frightening.
Yeah.
bryan callen
He frightens kids.
I have.
unidentified
Yeah.
jimmy burke
No, no.
I once bet a guy, Wall Street guy, a friend of mine, $50 up at Jerry's that my asshole was less hairy than his wife's.
unidentified
What?
jimmy burke
That's a true story.
bryan callen
Of course it is.
jimmy burke
It's a true story.
And you know, he peeled it open.
you bet him how much i bet him 50 bucks i said hey dude we were talking to me you were that confident why didn't you oh i know i know i know how unhairy my asshole is i have no hair there congratulations like i am uh why don't you go for like a thousand or something nuts i uh i couldn't do it i like the guy mountain he's one of my friends yeah but you know what i took the 50.
I took the 50 as a lesson.
Just as a little lesson.
bryan callen
To have respect for your asshole.
Yeah, exactly.
joe rogan
When a guy's got no eyebrows, take him seriously.
jimmy burke
And this is why I love Mountain.
He literally, I got up, I sprinted, I pulled my buckle, my pants were down, and I spread, yeah.
joe rogan
What's the sprint have to do with it?
jimmy burke
Well, I mean, from the couch to the seat he was sitting at because I bent over in front of him.
I spread my asshole and this quickly, this quickly, spread asshole, Mountain looks down and he goes, holy shit.
It's way less hairy than my wife's.
And he fucking reached into his pocket.
That's not a joke.
That's a real story.
And he paid me off right there.
bryan callen
We're hanging out.
Jerry McFadden, who's three feet, three men wide.
He's Brock Lesnar.
He's as big as it gets.
He's a borderline pro football player.
He's 300 pounds and with a Napoleon complex.
And Jimmy just looks at him one day.
We're hanging out and Jimmy just looks at him and he goes, ah, shut the fuck up.
jimmy burke
Whack!
bryan callen
And slaps him really hard.
Jerry's face is fucking so wide.
You go, hey Jerry, how are you?
You gotta go from wide on.
He goes, ah, Jerry's just talking.
He's like talking about something like totally innocuous.
Like going, yeah, so I was walking down the street and then he's just telling a story.
And Jimmy just out of nowhere just goes, ah, shut the fuck.
unidentified
Whack!
bryan callen
And hits him like that hard.
And Jerry just goes, wham like that.
And I go, oh, Jerry's gonna fucking murder.
You know when a, like a gorilla looks at something in the car.
jimmy burke
A monkey.
Like a gorilla looks at a monkey.
bryan callen
He literally goes, he literally goes, whack, looks at Jimmy and we're in an apartment.
So where the fuck is Jimmy gonna go?
And all of a sudden I just see Jimmy run.
And I'm like, where's he gone?
He goes into Jerry's guest room.
So we're like, Jerry comes, down the hall.
Jerry comes running in, like running in and I'm like, Jerry's gonna fucking kill him.
He's gonna squeeze him until he dies because he likes to hold you underwater until you die.
jimmy burke
No, he's a scary, strong dude.
He's a bear, right?
joe rogan
I've met Jerry.
bryan callen
So the bear's running after the fucking baboon and I, and I, we're running, he comes running in and he runs in and Jimmy is fucking on all hands and knees, no clothes on.
He's got his ass all peeled and he's going, please fuck me, Jerry.
Please fuck me.
jimmy burke
Jerry goes, I threw my ass up his defense.
bryan callen
It was kryptonite, like fucking kryptonite.
He literally, it was like he hit a wall.
He went, what the fuck?
Like that and backed out, like this.
it was the greatest thing.
Hey, that's a good fighting technique.
jimmy burke
Absolutely.
You throw yourself down and spread your ass.
bryan callen
It's like, Jimmy's got the best, Jimmy's got the greatest fight stories.
Jimmy, why don't you have a cell phone?
joe rogan
Why don't you have a cell phone?
jimmy burke
He's a monk.
unidentified
Yeah, I'm, it can't be a monk and live in New York City.
jimmy burke
Yeah.
He's a monk, bro.
No, I have a, an answering machine at home.
bryan callen
He has an answering, he has an answering machine from 1986.
Yeah.
joe rogan
With cassettes on it.
bryan callen
He owns a bicycle and a TV.
brian redban
What happens if you need a cassette?
bryan callen
And he's the happiest guy on the planet.
jimmy burke
I did a one man show back in 1997 and at that point in my life I had saved 15 years of phone messages.
I did a one man show and I did because I thought my friend Herbie was dying from throat cancer and I wanted to save every message and he would call up.
He'd say, hey, hey, it's me, it's me.
He was much older than me.
He was, he was my Fagan, you know, and I was his artful dodger.
bryan callen
Oliver Twist, Oliver Twist reference.
jimmy burke
Oliver Twist reference.
unidentified
Do your readers, your listeners, readers, there are no readers out there.
joe rogan
They smoke weed and watch YouTube.
jimmy burke
Right, exactly.
joe rogan
They're YouTube people.
jimmy burke
It's a Dickens novel.
You can look him up, 18th century.
unidentified
That's the 1700s.
jimmy burke
That's the 1700s.
unidentified
Thank you.
Exactly.
jimmy burke
Thank you, Bubba.
Joe, I don't doubt you.
Let me tell you, I do not doubt you.
And I want to bring it, swing it right back around though, to, um, yeah, I grew up in New York.
joe rogan
Right.
unidentified
And, Nick Diaz, and what he was doing, I've had that done to me.
joe rogan
It's frightening.
jimmy burke
plenty of times.
It's intimidating.
joe rogan
One of the guys talking shit, and hitting you at the same time.
jimmy burke
Yeah, it's intimidating, and it's scary, and, but, my, but, you, you either gotta, this is, this is, this is the thing.
bryan callen
You're the best there is at, and you keep coming forward.
He's the best there is at talking.
The guy, the guy that's fucking you on the football field, and he's trying to beat you up, that huge guy, and you're going, she's pissed at me.
Look at her titties, getting all twisted up.
Remember when you were doing it?
jimmy burke
Yeah, well, you have to, that becomes part of, I'm 165 pounds, so I'm only, that's it.
I'm wiry, I'm strong, very quick, and pugnacious, but I'm going to be honest with you.
unidentified
You're pugnacious?
joe rogan
You're not a big guy.
jimmy burke
I've never heard of you.
I'm not a big guy.
I'm a crafty, long-necked kind of, I'm a condor, or what's one of those velociraptors?
joe rogan
Bring this back around to your, your one-man show, because you dropped that.
jimmy burke
Oh, yeah, that was, that was a long time ago.
unidentified
You were high.
jimmy burke
I was high as shit.
bryan callen
No, that was when I was, the fucking guy plays the message, I leave, without my permission, he leaves, in his one-man show?
Yeah, he said, he plays the message, I leave a message on his machine, which was this, because I'm, there's this girl I liked, and she went to Harvard, and I wanted to bang her, right?
So I'm a fuck loser boy over here, I knew she was really educated.
She'd say stuff like, well, as you know in King Lear, when in act three, I'd be like, oh, geez, because she thought I was an actor, I knew Shakespeare.
jimmy burke
I didn't get any word of it.
bryan callen
So, so I go, so I go, So I know she's coming over.
joe rogan
so what so so yoker boy over here this is what i do i go fuck she's a reader so i take all the books off my shelf and i start laying them around the room books i haven't even read like let me tell you this before i'm going to interrupt you right Because when I first met Brian, I just did Mad TV.
We first met.
jimmy burke
He was a fake intellectual then.
He's a fake intellectual now.
joe rogan
And he's got Jack Kerouac sitting on his coffee table.
Listen, motherfucker.
I go, you ain't reading Jack Kerouac.
bryan callen
You better read it once.
joe rogan
You just happen to read this.
I go, this is a trap you lay for some fucking influential girl.
bryan callen
You goddamn right it is.
That's what I did.
And meanwhile, I got to admit it right now.
So I'm leaving shit around.
I'm leaving books open.
I got Shakespeare open.
But it's on the floor with like tabs.
I got Hemingway.
He's saying a message.
And so I finally go, I look around and I go, all right, I got to, if I do this in secret, I'm a fucking loser.
I got to call my friend and at least say that I'm doing this because otherwise I'm a scum.
Otherwise, I'm a loser.
So I call Jimmy.
jimmy burke
I call Jimmy and I. I'm not a loser.
unidentified
You're just not a very thoughtful person.
bryan callen
I'm a sex addict.
joe rogan
Well, you're trying to be something.
bryan callen
Right.
jimmy burke
That you're not.
bryan callen
Right, but I got to complain about.
joe rogan
Well, what you said correct.
You know, you said sex addict, and that puts a negative connotation to it.
But what no one is going to understand, no woman is ever going to understand is the effect of testosterone and the reality that we have these fucking bodies that are designed to make babies every 10 minutes because jaguars were eating them.
bryan callen
That's exactly right.
joe rogan
It's the reason why it's not like a solar thing.
Like, you know, like once every day, your body produces a single sperm cell.
bryan callen
They accumulate over a month.
joe rogan
They get to the point where, like, maybe we should think someday about having a baby and then a year from now, your balls are swollen and you're ready.
365 cells.
No, no, no, that's not what happens.
Every day, they're like, Pac-Man.
bryan callen
That's exactly right.
joe rogan
Dividing and conquering.
And if you're not jerking, plug to the fleshlight.
If you're not using something like the fleshlight, if you're not jerking off, if you're not constantly draining your balls, you will get distorted.
bryan callen
You'll get in trouble.
joe rogan
You'll get in trouble.
bryan callen
You'll get in fucking trouble.
unidentified
This will save marriages and it will save relationships.
joe rogan
You knew your thing.
You knew your thing was to be able to do that.
jimmy burke
Get your man a fleshlight.
joe rogan
I can talk.
I can trick them.
I sound intelligent.
Next thing you know, I'm touching their leg.
bryan callen
And then I get that the treat.
I get the treats.
I take my treats.
Exactly.
jimmy burke
I screen them.
bryan callen
Then I screen down.
Then I come and I want them out of there and I start cleaning my house.
But anyway, the point is, so I go.
joe rogan
Someone could judge you.
I'm just saying.
You can't judge you.
You really are like a junkie.
Every man is.
bryan callen
Yeah, it's true.
unidentified
It's true.
jimmy burke
Varying degrees.
joe rogan
And no one fucking gives you any advice, man.
No one gives you any solid advice about how to manage that.
unidentified
Did your father say a fucking word to you about how to manage that?
bryan callen
That was great, but no, but you know what?
And here's the thing.
We're older now.
And one of the things a lot of young people, a lot of young guys listen to this, and I always say, the only advice I give people is just figure out where to place your energy.
Because that's just energy.
And you've got to have an outlet.
That's why fighting is so good if you've got a lot of testimonials or a sport.
Because you've got to channel that because you'll learn.
You can take that energy and endeavor in something that teaches you about life.
I mean, you know, you just learn a lot about life.
But I call Jimmy.
joe rogan
You're totally right.
But before you go on, I think one of the most important things with guys is managing your biology through exercise.
bryan callen
Absolutely.
joe rogan
You fucking percent.
If an athlete like Brian just can't.
bryan callen
Yeah, if you're a type of guy like us, I was going to say, Brian, take your shirt off.
joe rogan
You know, I mean, if you don't have some sort of a release for that buildup, you make shitty decisions.
Exactly.
When you see guys yelling at people in traffic, and that's not a guy who's just returned from doing 15 rounds in the bag.
bryan callen
One of my favorite bits of hurt more.
One of my favorite bits, period, in the world, is your thing about driving a bus.
You're in the front of the bus.
I mean, you're in the back of the bus.
Somebody else is driving.
You have to be up in six hours.
Shut the fuck up when you have a hard on.
joe rogan
When you have a hard on, when your dick is hard and you're fired up, ready to go, you're not driving your life.
It's like you're sitting in the back seat of a really long bus.
unidentified
Absolutely.
joe rogan
There's some other dude up there driving and you can barely talk to him because every window's rolled down.
There's newspapers flying around and fucking engine noise.
bryan callen
Six radius bad ones.
joe rogan
And you're like, do you even know where you're going?
unidentified
He's like, shut the fuck up, darget.
joe rogan
And you're like, oh, I'm going to just let this dick drive.
bryan callen
And then after you come, you find yourself in the front.
joe rogan
You wake up and you're holding the wheel.
unidentified
Going, what the fuck happened?
joe rogan
What am I doing?
bryan callen
You know, I back this bad boy up.
joe rogan
Remember when you had no navigation system?
You would drive from hell in high water to get an uninspired hand job and you're so angry with yourself.
And then you're out in the street going, where the fuck am I?
bryan callen
You got to get up and forth.
joe rogan
Nowhere near your house.
You have to figure out where the roads are.
You go to a gas station and buy a fucking Thomas guide.
And you're like, okay, now this is what road?
Where am I right now?
So is this technically New Hampshire?
bryan callen
I don't know.
Exactly.
I don't know how I found my way.
joe rogan
Navigation systems have saved so many people from those things.
bryan callen
It saved so much time.
jimmy burke
Technology.
joe rogan
So you leave this message.
bryan callen
So I leave this message.
I finally look around my apartment.
I go, she's coming over in like 10 minutes.
I go, I got to tell somebody about what a hoax I am because this is fucking ridiculous.
So I call Time.
I leave a message.
I go, dude, I'm a fucking hoax.
I'm trying to impress this intellectual chick, and I'm leaving books all over the place.
So she thinks I'm in the middle of reading like four books.
And it's all because I want to bang her from behind on my couch like an animal.
And anyway, it's a long mess like that.
This guy plays it for a fucking packed house over and over.
joe rogan
And a couple of girls, like, is it his name?
Do you say it's nice?
unidentified
Sure.
jimmy burke
Oh, yeah.
unidentified
Sure.
jimmy burke
Fuck yeah.
I need everybody on the table.
bryan callen
I did a fucking one, a show, a stand-up show, an hour show in New York.
Then all my friends came to.
The fucking guy's standing outside.
And when people were coming out, he's going, thank you very much, man.
I wrote that stuff for him.
He did a really good job with it.
unidentified
That's true.
bryan callen
I accepted credit.
Thanking always for coming and accepting credit.
So all of a sudden there's a crowd around him telling him how great he is.
jimmy burke
Thank you for coming.
Thank you so much.
Thank you so much.
I really did.
I know that's you would never, but since he stole my persona about 15 years ago, did he?
unidentified
Why?
jimmy burke
You don't know that fucking story?
bryan callen
I am Joe's.
jimmy burke
Whoa, whoa, whoa, hold on.
Let's take a step back.
Let's take a step back.
joe rogan
Let me say this one thing because I did come back.
jimmy burke
Don't defend it, Joe.
joe rogan
I did block this out.
Don't defend it.
I did block this out.
And what I blocked out was that we were hanging out with me and Jimmy Burke and a couple of his friends.
And this is one of the first times that I'd hung out with Jimmy Burke away from you.
It was kind of cheating on you a little bit.
I came to New York.
bryan callen
I remember that.
joe rogan
Me and Jimmy had a great fucking time.
jimmy burke
Yes, we did.
Kicked my ass in pool.
joe rogan
Unfortunately.
Can't blame me, pool.
bryan callen
Kicked it.
joe rogan
But when we were talking, one of the things that came up amongst Jimmy's friends was that, you know, you're a bus and truck version of Jimmy Burke.
bryan callen
And I had to go, oh, he's a B ⁇ .
unidentified
What do they call me?
jimmy burke
A BNT version.
unidentified
Come on.
joe rogan
This is my boy.
bryan callen
He was probably my friend.
Who said it?
joe rogan
I don't remember.
bryan callen
We're all close.
We've been all known for 20 years.
joe rogan
So he stole your persona.
jimmy burke
You know, it really wasn't my persona.
It was really actually my essence.
Which, if you think about it, Steve Cook.
joe rogan
Steve Cook accuses comics of stealing.
unidentified
Didn't he accuse Steve Burger?
jimmy burke
Well, he stealing his essence.
He tried to steal my essence, too.
unidentified
Dane?
He did?
Yep.
joe rogan
Did he meet you or did that through the air?
jimmy burke
Was watching Brian and I from the end of a bar, watching us talk, came over to me and said, I'm going to take your fucking essence, dude.
bryan callen
And he slapped you in the mouth?
jimmy burke
Slapped me in the mouth.
I was a little shocked.
Brian stepped in.
bryan callen
By the way, people listening to this who might take this seriously.
Dan has enough flack.
We're kidding.
Dane did not do that.
joe rogan
Yeah, this didn't really happen.
bryan callen
No.
unidentified
No.
brian redban
Yeah, it did.
bryan callen
Although Jimmy and I used to get laid by the money.
joe rogan
But you did really take his persona.
jimmy burke
Yeah, a little bit.
Yeah, not a little.
Come on.
joe rogan
Well, let me tell you something.
It happens.
jimmy burke
You're so much better at it than I am that I can't make money from my persona.
I mean, this is the first time I'm ever on the...
joe rogan
The fake Kramer.
There's a real Kramer, you know, and then...
bryan callen
The character is going to be a guy who talks like Jimmy and is very expressive and very, very intense.
jimmy burke
You look handsome now.
You look more handsome.
joe rogan
Does that bother you as an original?
jimmy burke
Not at all.
unidentified
No.
jimmy burke
I love him.
I love what he...
joe rogan
I had a friend named Johnny B, a pool hustler friend of mine that I used to talk like to him when he was in Iowa.
jimmy burke
It was just, him being an actual actor, because he's a great actor, just was kind of picking up the bits and pieces.
I do it with people.
I do it when I lived in Iowa, you know.
bryan callen
You were just so authentically New York, and I was so fascinated with the way the dude, the way he talks and tells stories and how and he's the only person that's ever pointed that out to me in my life.
jimmy burke
I mean, because everybody else is from New York, and that's the way we all.
Yeah, this is normal.
joe rogan
Isn't it amazing that there's one good thing that comes out of sticking that many fucking people in one place, that you get these extreme characters that just don't exist in the heartland?
You don't get a Jimmy Burke in Iowa.
jimmy burke
No, I'm distilled.
bryan callen
You got to either build walls or you got to be very open and honest.
And that's the way you naturally.
joe rogan
And you got to not give a fuck.
Yeah.
And there's a whole city of I don't give a fuck.
Get out of my way.
And it becomes sort of an ethic.
jimmy burke
Care, care, be respectful, but you can't give a fuck about everything that happens to you every single fucking day because you go crazy.
joe rogan
And that's the thing about New York is it makes you process the information and filter accordingly.
There's too much coming at you.
Too many goddamn cars, too many billboards, too many things.
You got to decide what to pay attention.
jimmy burke
Joe, you asked me earlier why I don't have a cell phone.
joe rogan
That's why.
jimmy burke
Okay.
And that's one of the reasons.
joe rogan
But what if someone's about to kick your ass and you've got to make a call?
bryan callen
There's nobody better getting out of fighting.
You start yelling and intimidating people.
joe rogan
You break your leg and you need somebody to come get you.
jimmy burke
You know what, Joe?
joe rogan
What if you have to call somebody that you like?
jimmy burke
Well, that's that's good.
That's good.
I have a pocket full of pocket quarters.
I have a pocket full of quarters.
And there's always a lot of people.
joe rogan
Where is there a goddamn payphone?
bryan callen
They're still there.
jimmy burke
You got to know.
You got to know where they are.
You got to know where they are.
bryan callen
This messenger pitches not yours.
joe rogan
Do you remember people's phone numbers?
jimmy burke
Absolutely.
joe rogan
I know like 350.
bryan callen
Do you get leads?
jimmy burke
Brian's phone numbers 315.
joe rogan
Hey, you fucking dummy.
bryan callen
He doesn't realize that he wasn't listening.
joe rogan
Jesus Christ.
jimmy burke
I was just proving that there's a mic in the mouse.
joe rogan
You ought to change your voicemail so that people don't know that that's your real number.
bryan callen
That's very, before I knew how to use Twitter, I posted my number.
I got some guy the other day calling me and goes, hey, man, is this really you?
I go, who is this?
He goes, I saw your name on Twitter.
A number.
I just want to see if it was really you.
I go, yeah, it's really me.
He goes, that's cool, man.
Hey, when can I see your stand-up?
I go, do you live in LA?
He goes, nah, man, I live in like Arkansas.
I go, I'll tell you what.
I'll make sure you're going to go.
Use my number, and I'll fucking tell you when I'm there next time.
He goes, all right.
And he just hung up.
He was great.
joe rogan
I fucked up and tweeted my number and I kept it for a while.
I had like a fan line where people could just call me up.
I would turn it on.
I wanted to do that again because there was a thing called Say Now and Say Now is pretty badass, but Google bought them.
And what Say Now was was say if you would start it up, I would start it up and I would start accepting calls from fans.
So I tweet, my say now line is now on.
Call me up.
So people would call me up and say, like, if you're calling me and you and I are talking, there's 10 people on hold and they're all listening.
So it's like you have a call-in talk radio show for 10 people.
It was fucking great.
So I would do it.
Me and Ari Shafir were like in the car in traffic on the way to a gig somewhere.
And we just handed the phone back and forth to each other.
And we had like this crazy like two-hour phone conversation with all these people.
bryan callen
I love doing that because, you know, and I get my number out on the road sometimes when I'm there and I go, somebody wants to come to a show and I go, and I like them and they're just good people.
And I go, text me.
Here's my number.
Text me.
And I'll always say, I always go, don't abuse this.
Don't call me.
And they never do.
If you trust people a lot of times and give them the respect of trust.
You can always tell a crazy person.
joe rogan
What about that girl that Ashton Kutcher fucked?
bryan callen
Well, she's an asshole.
She's an asshole.
joe rogan
What an asshole.
bryan callen
She's an asshole.
joe rogan
She had a great story.
She's a shithead.
bryan callen
That's a shithead.
joe rogan
Meanwhile, what a great story that would be if she just used that story.
She's a sociopath.
bryan callen
Yeah, but she's a sociopath.
She's a shitty person.
By the way, Jimmy and I had so much fun in New York.
I was just thinking about how we used to pick up girls by posing as doctors.
Remember that?
unidentified
Sure.
jimmy burke
You know what I'm saying?
bryan callen
Oh, dude.
He'd be sitting there drinking.
jimmy burke
You know how many lives I saved?
How many lives he saved?
joe rogan
Oh, so you do, like, I'm a doctor in Somalia.
bryan callen
No, no, no.
Yeah, but we'd set it up like this.
A lot of times we'd set up like this.
It'd be me and my buddy, and Jimmy'd be over there drinking a beer at the end of the bar.
This worked fucking every time.
jimmy burke
Every time.
bryan callen
And, you know, we'd be in there like a couple of yogas.
We'd find really hot girls.
I'd come up and go, excuse me, sorry to bother you girls.
We're doctors.
And my buddy just, he's a great surgeon, but he just lost his first patient.
He's really bummed out.
If you guys went over there and just talked to him, it'd make him feel so much better.
And they'd be like, he's a surgeon?
Like, yeah, we're all surgeons.
joe rogan
What if you talked to a girl and she was actually a doctor, though?
bryan callen
Well, how about the girl was asking you medical advice and you felt bad you had to come clean.
jimmy burke
You're like, okay.
Bubba, I felt horrible.
bryan callen
She's asking him medical advice and he starts giving her like general advice.
And then at the end of the day, she was so excited.
Not me, man, not me.
I fucking stuck to the end.
I was like, I'm getting laid.
I don't give a shit about to make up.
unidentified
You showed the line.
bryan callen
I'm like, well, you're plasma-rich plates.
I just invent shit.
I was a fucking idiot.
joe rogan
How old are you then?
unidentified
30?
Like 30?
bryan callen
Fucking 30.
A grown man.
That's how old I was.
Then we'd pretend we'd, then we'd recognize each other.
Like, I'd come up and go, like, we'd sit right next to the hottest girls in the club or something.
And I'd go, dude, got to just tell you, I saw your movie at Sundance.
You're fucking doing De Niro's in your next movie, right?
jimmy burke
Well, actually, he's directing it.
bryan callen
Oh, fuck.
Congratulations.
Such an amazing writer.
Such an amazing actor.
jimmy burke
Appreciate it.
unidentified
What's your name?
jimmy burke
What's your name?
bryan callen
Brian Cowan.
jimmy burke
Brian Cowan.
Jr.
bryan callen
I had a film there, too.
I don't know if you saw it.
Leland.
jimmy burke
No, no, what's the name?
bryan callen
Leland's memory.
I don't think it's some fucking thing.
Dude, it worked every time because they were model actresses.
They're like, hey, you know, and I'd go like this.
I go, I'm sorry, these girls with you.
Can I buy you guys a drink?
And they're like, actually, that was.
joe rogan
That's brilliant.
jimmy burke
And it's so simple.
bryan callen
And we'd bring them right in.
And now we'd be talking.
jimmy burke
It never failed.
unidentified
Ever.
bryan callen
When you're a normal-looking guy, you got to fucking use your mind.
And you got to be a liar.
You got to be a liar.
jimmy burke
Yeah.
joe rogan
Pretending to be famous and getting that jolt.
bryan callen
That's the greatest.
joe rogan
People like really, oh, this is an important game.
bryan callen
That's the greatest.
And we get out of fights, dude.
Google Jeannie Burke.
We can't do that anymore.
joe rogan
Chicks to just Google your name.
Dude, we pull up their fucking giant Android screen and go, yeah, it doesn't say shit about you.
How about tell them how you have a fucking movie at Sundance Liar?
bryan callen
Dude, we used to get out of fights that way.
Remember that huge, dude?
Those three fucking criminals?
jimmy burke
Six football.
bryan callen
Six foot six guy coming to this bar.
You know that story?
jimmy burke
That's a crazy story.
Let me give it to you just real quick.
So I'm in my bar and it's a little early.
My bouncer is not there.
joe rogan
This is the place that you own.
jimmy burke
Yeah, the Martini.
bryan callen
Vermouth.
joe rogan
Do you still have that place?
jimmy burke
No, not anymore.
unidentified
No, we got out from under about fucking 10 years ago.
jimmy burke
I'm out.
I'm fucking out.
Never again, Joe.
Unless you have one of these.
It's tough.
joe rogan
It was cool, though.
jimmy burke
I loved it.
joe rogan
We went to your bar.
We hung out at your bar.
bryan callen
Fantastic.
joe rogan
How cool is that?
jimmy burke
I was M-boner owner.
I didn't make a dollar.
I was involved for five years.
I didn't make a dollar.
Yeah.
And then I had to get out from under taxes and shit.
joe rogan
I was always wanted to have a bar.
unidentified
Oh, dude.
bryan callen
How much?
jimmy burke
Joe, it's awesome.
joe rogan
I always want to own a bar pool hall.
Have a bar pool hall.
bryan callen
Small, like intimate city.
unidentified
Just so fucking hard to make money.
You know what?
jimmy burke
So do it.
joe rogan
So these guys come in.
What happened?
jimmy burke
These guys come in.
I'm up at the time.
bryan callen
That's his term of endearment.
jimmy burke
I'm up at the bar and, uh, Brian was over with, I think Dominic or the, Were you?
Okay.
bryan callen
You had both your girlfriends there.
jimmy burke
I had two, my old girlfriend and my girlfriend at the moment, at the time.
And it was kids.
bryan callen
Tension, weird.
jimmy burke
Right, exactly.
Because, of course, I still love my ex-girlfriend and was actually now in love with my other girlfriend.
joe rogan
Is this the one that you were stalking?
jimmy burke
Yes.
Yes.
bryan callen
Oh, that's good.
unidentified
You told him that story.
jimmy burke
God, you got a good idea.
You have a good memory, dude.
joe rogan
Oh, it's like vice.
jimmy burke
You have a good memory.
bryan callen
Wait, but finish the story.
jimmy burke
Go.
Oh, yeah.
So we're at the bar.
I'm getting in between them.
I look into the reflection of the mirror behind the bar, and I see these three guys walk in.
unidentified
Two, I don't know, Hispanic galantes.
jimmy burke
I mean, guys that just, you don't want them in your joint.
They just scared me.
bryan callen
They just looked like a rough dude.
jimmy burke
Yeah, rough dudes.
And then from behind them comes 6'4, 6'5, curly hair, tightest, tightest shirt on.
bryan callen
Biggest arms in the world.
jimmy burke
I mean, just a big, hard rock-looking Hispanic dude who was just fucking scary looking, who was right at a fucking, you know, right at GP.
bryan callen
General population for you guys who do that.
jimmy burke
And I saw him come into the bar and I went, oh, fuck, my bouncer's not here yet.
unidentified
But you could see that they had, and he was going to have problems with them.
jimmy burke
And he was going to have problems with them.
So I'm kind of looking at them at the bar.
I've tuned out my girlfriends.
I see the bartender look at me like, should I serve them?
And I was like, yeah, yeah, give them a drink, give him a drink.
And, you know, because you don't want to get started up.
Why don't you fucking love?
You know, who needs that?
So anyway, they come in right next to us and they're having drinks and they're kind of, you can see that they are not, they're not there to have a good time.
They're just, they're just not.
There's something scary about them.
All of a sudden, this yoker comes over to me.
bryan callen
Yeah, but wait, don't forget what happened.
You turn to talk.
The minute you turn, he steps in front of Jimmy and starts, the huge guy is right, literally almost touching his girlfriend, looking down at her, trying to pick her up.
Jimmy turns, he walks, he just bumps Jimmy out of the way and goes, what's up, man?
What's your name, man?
How you doing?
And he's got his drink and he's towering over her.
She's like this.
She's pressed against the bar like that.
So I know now, and he's still got it.
The other guy walks around this way.
So he's got his two guys flanking.
I can't get in.
So I go, we're going to fight now.
This guy's literally sees my buddy.
He's doing this on purpose.
And as minute Jimmy said, so I go, okay, this is going to be a bad situation.
So your heart starts beating fast because I don't know if these guys have knives.
And they're older.
They're just, I can tell, I can tell a guy who's a pro.
You can tell guys who are used to doing bad shit.
jimmy burke
Yes.
bryan callen
You can feel it.
There it is.
There it is.
You can see it.
He literally just moves Jimmy out of the way.
Jimmy turns, and Jimmy turns back around, and he's got his back, this huge back.
But okay, so go on.
So you know I've got, but he sees that I've clocked this in the mirror.
jimmy burke
He sees that I've clocked this.
joe rogan
So the guy bumps your girlfriend out of the way.
jimmy burke
He slides in.
He wasn't a big bump.
He just kind of slides in.
He wasn't being a total dick about it.
bryan callen
He had her against the bar looking down at her.
jimmy burke
Are you kidding?
It was hot.
All right.
Come on.
First of all, no.
It was hot because I thought.
joe rogan
What you should do is sacrifice one of them to him and then take the other one to X. Hey, hey, hey.
jimmy burke
Bubba.
joe rogan
You know what I did?
I was so close to her.
Why'd you do this to me?
jimmy burke
Exactly.
joe rogan
Now you're back.
jimmy burke
She brings in your boyfriend.
joe rogan
She goes, this is my move.
unidentified
That's huh.
joe rogan
This is my opening.
jimmy burke
That's hot.
You're doing a great job describing it.
joe rogan
No, so tell me what the fuck happens.
In your words.
jimmy burke
Big guy.
It's a strange moment.
Something's going, whoa, uh-oh.
I knew it.
I chose to trust my instinct.
unidentified
And all of a sudden I go, hell, yo.
jimmy burke
Oh, man.
Hey, wow.
Champ.
Hey, wow.
Good to see you, man.
Good to see you.
bryan callen
You look great.
But let me just let me just.
jimmy burke
Go ahead.
You want to tell the fucking story?
bryan callen
Why don't you let him tell the fucking story?
You have the worst memory.
jimmy burke
Maybe because I had numbed out.
bryan callen
I was so fucking scared.
jimmy burke
That's what happens, guys.
bryan callen
Sometimes it numbs out.
Jimmy goes like this, and I can see Jimmy now.
He's going to Brooklyn and he's going to go, hey, bro, he's got to say something.
So you said something to the guy.
You go, hey, champ.
You go, hey, champ.
You know, what's up?
You know, try to be nice.
I come up to Jimmy and I go, hey, bro, I just want to tell you, man, you're my favorite fighter.
I watched you fight Pazianza.
I can't believe what you did.
I can't believe they fucking robbed you, but you fucking took that dude above Vinnie Pasianza.
I'm going, you fuck, these are your boys, man.
This is the best fighter.
And I start rubbing his shoulder.
Can I buy you a drink?
Can I buy your friends a drink?
It'd be my honor.
I boxed out at Gleason's.
So if I could buy you a drink, man, I've never seen this one.
And I look at this guy and I go, bro, your friend, he'll fight anybody, anywhere.
I've never seen anybody eat through somebody.
Did you see him fight?
Bro, he got robbed in that Pasianza fight.
He fucking got robbed.
So the guy, now the guy looks and Jimmy, you know, look at his face.
He looks like a half a psycho anyway.
He's got no eyebrows.
At the time, he had fucking red hair spiked like that.
He's wearing like a weird shirt.
So the guy looks down at Jimmy like that.
And Jimmy goes like this, Jimmy picking up on my cue right away, knowing what I'm doing.
He goes, hey, thanks, man.
Thanks a lot.
jimmy burke
Thanks a lot, buddy.
Thank you.
bryan callen
I go, bro, you got the hardest right hand.
I can't believe they fucking robbed you.
How do you walk through those punches?
How the fuck do you walk those?
joe rogan
I would have looked at those manicured little girly hands of yours.
Right.
bryan callen
By the way, the guy turns around.
joe rogan
He's got scar tissue in those knuckles.
jimmy burke
You got to look on the other side.
There's the scar tissue.
joe rogan
Yeah.
jimmy burke
That's why I need a flesh.
joe rogan
He's gripping some things.
bryan callen
He wraps his hands.
That's all.
He plays the piano.
Gripping.
Meanwhile, by the way, the guy turns around.
He goes, you a boxer?
I go, boxer?
I go, he's a fighter, bro.
He'd rather fight than eat and fuck.
You're not friends with him?
And he goes, I just came in.
And I go, you might want to move out of the way of him and his girl, bro.
Don't give him an excuse.
I'm acting like I don't know him.
He goes, bro, you look like butter to him.
He's a fucking knife in a suit, bro.
He's a knife in a suit.
He'll cut right through you.
Guy goes, guy with his two fucking rough dudes, they just kind of go back and he goes, by the end of the night, he's rubbing Jimmy's shoulders and buying us drinks.
jimmy burke
Buying us drinks.
bryan callen
Rubbing Jimmy's shoulders.
joe rogan
Maybe you guys just totally got paranoid and they were cool.
And maybe if you just bought them drinks, you could have just fucking avoided all this bullshit.
At the end of the night, if they're rubbing your shoulders, I mean, you really think they were that scared?
These big giant guys?
They're probably just nice guys.
You see some chick with some goofy dude with no eyebrows.
Like, man, this chick, he's got two girls with him.
I'm going to take a chance here.
One of these might not be his sister or something.
bryan callen
I don't like taking any fucking chances, okay?
joe rogan
That's pretty hilarious, though.
So you were just in a most, this is really an in-depth psychological study on Brian Callum, because at some point in time in your life, you would just make up fucking bullshit at the drop of a hat to get yourself out of the middle.
bryan callen
If a man I can get laid, or if a man I get out of getting knifed, I'm fucking, I'm on it.
So I don't want to get knifed, but I do want to get laid.
I'll lie in both those situations through my teeth.
joe rogan
And I'll come up with a, but it's, yeah, that's not just lie.
It's a giant backstory.
So funny, you're naming fucking.
You're lucky that guy wasn't a boxing fan.
jimmy burke
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
I was on a phone with a guy once.
Some fucking bouncer handed me the phone to talk to his buddy.
His buddy fought Chuck Liddell.
It was Chuck's earliest loss.
I go, no, you weren't.
I go, Jeremy Horn was his earliest loss.
I go, what are you talking about?
Are you Jeremy Horn?
You go, no, you're not, because I know Jeremy Horn.
I go, who else beat Chuck Liddell?
I go, what are you talking about?
This is like a long time ago.
I go, no one's beat Chuck Liddell.
I go, and then it was like the Randy Couture loss.
And then, you know, Rampage beat him.
But up until that point, it had only been, it would only been, there had only been one loss.
And it was Jeremy Horne caught him in an arm triangle from the bottom, actually, and put him to sleep.
And the bell rang, and Jeremy got from under him and Chuck was out.
That was it.
So this guy was just like telling me, he just made up this crazy story.
All these other people were totally buying into it.
You know, it's like, yeah, my buddy's Chuckledille's first loss.
I go, no, he's not.
You know, no, hey, no, you're not.
And so what would you have done?
If you're right there at the bar, I would have fought Vinny Panzien.
He goes, who fought Vinny Panzien?
What's his name?
bryan callen
Yeah.
joe rogan
And then what if he's some crazy boxing guy?
Like, dude, I used to be able to rattle off to you all of Marvin Hagler's opponents.
Back in the day, I was a big Marvin Hagler fan.
If you ran into me in like 1984, I would have been able told you everybody from Bernie Briscoe to fucking, I would have told you Mustafa Hamshow.
I would have told you every guy.
bryan callen
By the way, do you have anybody that could have beaten Hagler at his weight class to date?
joe rogan
In MMA or in boxing.
No, but that's one of the fascinating things about boxing is that Hagler today, if you put Marvin Hagler in 160-pound division today, he would still be storming through dudes.
But there's not a martial artist alive from 1983 that would be able to compete with the 2012 guys.
bryan callen
That's right.
joe rogan
They're not even close.
bryan callen
That's because it's evolving so much.
joe rogan
So rapidly.
There was no, I mean, even Hoyce Gracie, who was an amazing, had an amazing accomplishment.
He's a legend.
His jujitsu just does not compare to the jujitsu of his, even his nephew, Hadra Gracie, I think it's his nephew, or Marcelo Garcia, or, you know, the highest level guys.
bryan callen
They keep innovating.
joe rogan
Yeah.
I mean, it's amazing.
Braulio hasn't.
bryan callen
He keeps evolving.
joe rogan
The best guys now.
They're at such higher level of Andre Galvao.
bryan callen
That is a really interesting thing.
It's amazing.
Because with boxing, you're right.
That's a really interesting thing.
joe rogan
Marvin Hagler fits anywhere in history.
bryan callen
Yeah.
joe rogan
Including the old days.
bryan callen
And so does Ali, right?
joe rogan
Yeah.
bryan callen
Yeah.
And so would Joe Frazier.
joe rogan
I mean, the Ali that fucked up Cleveland Big Cat Williams.
See, most people's version of Ali is really distorted because their version of Ali is Ali post the three-year break.
And when he came back and fought Jerry Quarry, he was not the same fighter by any stretch of the imagination as he was in 67.
People don't realize what a cultural hero that Muhammad Ali was.
He wasn't just ring wrestling.
He became old.
He didn't do shit.
He didn't even go to the gym for three years.
He didn't do anything.
His body changed.
He was like, he had a doughy body.
jimmy burke
Look at how beautiful he was.
joe rogan
Oh, dude.
The Cleveland Big Cat Williams fight is, in my opinion, one of the greatest performances that any boxer ever put on ever.
It was a real big, strong guy, a dangerous guy, coming after a genius.
A guy who was just doing some shit that nobody else was doing.
Ali knocked him out, stepping backwards.
unidentified
Bing, bing, bing, bing, bing.
joe rogan
The way he did it was just poetry.
bryan callen
When you watched him fight Sonny Liston, there's a book called, I read it by David Remnick called King of the World about that fight.
And what was amazing about Ali is Ali said, Sonny Liston is the baddest guy on the planet, right?
But the one thing he's afraid of is crazy.
So he acted crazy.
He would park his car on Sonny Liston's lawn in the middle of the night and start calling him out.
He said, come on out and find me now, Sonny.
And Sonny was actually afraid.
He said later on, he goes, I'm afraid this guy might bite me.
You sure this guy doesn't bite?
Does this guy bite?
He was asking people if this guy bites.
And so Ali knew he could get into his head.
He was also like Diaz.
He's a psychological warrior.
joe rogan
He'd get corners.
He was the first.
He was the first to figure out.
He was a genius.
bryan callen
They had to hold him back.
His blood pressure was so high when he was doing the weigh-in.
He was trying to get out of and talking to him.
And something listened to me.
joe rogan
They almost didn't let him fight.
Yeah, it was in his life story.
Angelo Dundee, who just died.
Rest in peace.
The thing about Ali was that three-year break.
And then after that three-year break, then he fights Jerry Quarry.
He fights Joe Frazier and loses.
He's not the same guy.
He's just not the same guy.
And then he became a guy who was known for not just moving, but taking punishment.
He just didn't move the way he used to move.
If you look at the old movement, his shuffle, his footwork, it's all like mostly black and white footage.
The Cleveland Big Cat Williams fight.
People should watch that fight.
It's fucking genius.
bryan callen
Can you YouTube it?
joe rogan
Yeah, I'm sure you can.
You can YouTube almost everything of Ali.
bryan callen
He was such a beautiful fighter.
joe rogan
Wow, it was amazing.
There was no one like him.
He was basically a gigantic Sugar A. Robinson, but a little more clever.
bryan callen
220, by the way.
220 pounds.
joe rogan
He's not a big guy.
bryan callen
But I mean, that's just from not steroids and not lifting up.
joe rogan
Well, the best heavyweights ever have been around that race.
Mike Tyson, Muhammad Ali.
bryan callen
Well, raise the question, Jack Johnson.
Whether like 260 pounds or 230, what's the perfect weight for a heavyweight?
joe rogan
Well, the problem with those really big guys is that most of them are muscle.
And, you know, even if it's bone, just the sheer gravity of carrying around that much mass.
bryan callen
Slows you down a little bit.
joe rogan
Yeah, and a 220-pound man like a Mike Tyson can knock out any fucking human being that's ever walked the face of the earth.
bryan callen
That's right.
joe rogan
If Mike Tyson slams that fucking right hand that he put Larry Holmes to sleep with, or the ones where he would throw that right to the body and then that right uppercut where he crumpled Marvis Frazier, he was on another planet, man.
He was on another level.
And that punch puts out any person.
It doesn't matter if you're 290, 300.
So there's no benefit to being any bigger than Tyson was in a boxing match.
In an MMA, it's different because guys get on top of you, they grab you, they weigh you down, they can control you.
You know, an Aleister Overeem, like a 265-pound dude like that, there's a benefit to being that big.
There certainly is.
And it's just, like in the clinch, because Aleister throws those fucking horrifying knees from the clinch because he's so goddamn big.
So if he can get a hold of you, that 265 pounds, all that muscle and that fury and the fucking acceleration, that knee slamming your organs, boom.
There's just, you can't, you can't, there's no doubt about it.
When that guy got bigger, he got better.
But in boxing, I don't necessarily think that's true.
I think there's a speed loss when you have too much mass moving around.
bryan callen
Just boxing favors.
Explosive fast twitch muscle almost exclusively.
joe rogan
But then again, you know, I would have loved to seen Lennox Lewis fight Mike Tyson in his prime because Lennox was a big guy.
He was larger.
I think he was about 240 something.
bryan callen
But you know, when Tyson was in his prime, he fought guys like Razor Ruddock and knocked him, hit him in the head, forehead, and knocked him.
He was in a sitting position through the air.
He knocked him across the ring.
And Razor Ruddock was easily 250.
joe rogan
Yeah, Razor Ruddick was a big guy.
bryan callen
And a good fighter.
joe rogan
He had that ridiculous left uppercut that would put people in a coma.
You remember he had that weird, it was like a left hook, left uppercut.
It was like a hybrid punch.
bryan callen
Yeah, and wasn't afraid of him.
joe rogan
Half a hook, half an uppercut.
And he would hit like Dwight Muhammad Kawi type guys within.
No, who was the?
unidentified
He was the tough dude.
joe rogan
He was a very tough dude.
It wasn't him, though.
I'm thinking of another guy he fought.
It was an early heavyweight champion.
He won like the WBC title, I think.
And Razor Ruddock hit him with that ridiculous fucking left uppercut.
He hit a lot of guys with that uppercut and put them in a coma.
Tommy Morrison beat Razor Ruddock, believe it or not.
One of his biggest dudes.
He stopped him.
He stopped him.
Have you seen Tommy Morrison today?
Tommy Morrison.
bryan callen
He has HIV.
joe rogan
He has HIV, but apparently he says AIDS is a myth.
But you know what's not a myth?
Meth.
Okay?
And that's what he looks like.
He looks like he found the myth of meth.
It looks like if I was going to write a Dr. Seuss book about meth, I would have it about Tommy Morrison.
I don't know what he's doing, man, but he's got weird marks all over his face, like weird, like a lot of times.
He looks crazy bad.
Not just bad, but weird bad.
Bad, like poisoned.
Bad, like, remember that Russian guy?
He was a politician and he ran afoul of Putin.
bryan callen
Yeah, and they poisoned dioxin.
joe rogan
No, no, they didn't kill him.
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, they fucked his face.
bryan callen
They used dioxin.
I think he was the president of Belarus.
And they didn't want him to run.
He said, screw you.
And he did anyway.
And they poisoned him with dioxin.
And his face never came back.
He was a really handsome guy.
joe rogan
Yeah, he was a really handsome guy.
bryan callen
He literally looked like a monster.
joe rogan
It was disgusting.
Well, Tommy Morrison doesn't look that bad, but it looks similar in that something's going on.
And also, he had tit implants.
bryan callen
What?
joe rogan
Yes, he had breast implants because I guess he lost some of his model.
Yeah, man.
Dude, pull up, Google up Tommy Morrison's fake tits.
Dude, it's the craziest shit ever.
He had breast implants.
jimmy burke
That's hot.
joe rogan
So he's got, it's the weirdest thing, man.
He's got like this body.
jimmy burke
That's a little hot.
joe rogan
Looks like a guy that used to be athletic, you know?
But for whatever reason, his tits are huge.
But they're huge like fake tits.
Like fake tits on a tranny.
jimmy burke
What the fuck are you talking about?
joe rogan
Yeah, you ever see tranny tits?
Tranny tits are different.
First of all, they're different because the nipple.
That's boys.
Listen to me.
If your girl pulls out the tits and the tits are hard and the nipple's small, run!
unidentified
Run!
joe rogan
That's a man!
But Tommy Morrison's, they looked like they were unnaturally shaped.
And they still are.
He even had an MMA fight where it's like he wore wrestling shoes and he just hit the guy with, it was like a only stand-up.
And he needed some money, so he beat this guy up with boxing.
Yeah, he's definitely got something wrong.
bryan callen
He's got ATV.
brian redban
If he had bigger aerial nose, they would be pretty good.
joe rogan
Let me say.
You gotta sneak over and look at this.
It's bizarre.
Yeah, I'll pull it up on here too, Jim.
bryan callen
Are you kidding me right now?
joe rogan
Yeah, no, it's really bizarre.
brian redban
I mean, there are nothing like I would be proud of.
joe rogan
What's that?
How weird is that?
This is the weirdest thing ever.
Would you come on those, bro?
Oh, shit.
bryan callen
How dare you?
joe rogan
And this is what he used to look like.
He used to look like a fucking stud when he was in that Rocky movie, man.
bryan callen
He was a stud.
joe rogan
Hey, he's amazing.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
This is what he used to look like.
And this is what he looks like now.
That's not bitch tits.
They're calling it bitch tits.
That's not bitch tits.
That's a breast implant.
His muscle mass is wasted away.
He's got fucking HIV.
brian redban
Put him in a white shirt.
bryan callen
You lump.
brian redban
Wash your car.
Get some water.
joe rogan
What, Brian?
bryan callen
You develop lumps in your body?
Like, you'll hold fat in really weird places when you take those pressure.
joe rogan
Yeah, look at him now.
Come here, come here.
This is what he looks like now.
This is his most recent arrest.
This is going to freak you the fuck out.
Oh, my God.
jimmy burke
Oh, my God.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's his most recent arrest.
unidentified
What?
joe rogan
By the way, younger than me.
brian redban
He pretty much looks like a CGI character.
joe rogan
I think he's younger than me.
I think he's 43.
bryan callen
I'm 44.
joe rogan
I think he's 43.
Look at that.
bryan callen
I believe that.
joe rogan
That's meth.
He's doing something.
He looks fucking horrifying.
And this is one when he was doing a little bit better.
He was HIV positive.
But look at his fake tits.
See that?
Like, he was even kind of in good shape.
But he had his pecs done, for sure.
Look at that bulb.
bryan callen
That's the craziest thing I've ever heard.
brian redban
For the audio listeners, just Google search.
joe rogan
Yeah, just Google Morrison.
Google Tommy Morrison looks like shit.
Here's another recent picture of him.
Look at this.
That's a real picture.
That picture right there?
That's him.
That's Tommy Morrison.
What's going on there?
bryan callen
He might be bad.
joe rogan
That's the real wrestler.
brian redban
That's the real one.
joe rogan
He's only 42, excuse me.
He's 42.
Jesus Christ.
That's terrifying, man.
Yeah, it's nuts, man.
But guess what?
That's what meth does to you.
Meth, I hear, really bad.
There's no meth.
bryan callen
That's never worked out.
Meth doesn't really work out.
joe rogan
There's no guy's like, dude, this is what happened.
I got on meth.
I cleaned my apartment.
Next thing you knew, I had a job.
Never happened on meth.
bryan callen
Never really said.
joe rogan
Problem getting off the meth.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Meth is a mother.
It must be awesome, though.
I mean, why is it that they keep going to it?
bryan callen
Well, I think it's just a form of self-hatred and self-suicide or self-destruction, I guess.
joe rogan
Yeah, there has to be some sort of a psychological aspect to the fact that.
bryan callen
I'm amazed how many people do things that are just bad for them.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
bryan callen
Like just like just smoking.
I'm going to pick up cigarettes.
I'm going to start smoking.
joe rogan
Brian smokes.
He started up again because his cat hurt her foot.
bryan callen
Well, any excuse because you're so addicted to it.
joe rogan
Any excuse.
bryan callen
It's very addictive.
joe rogan
Our pal Duncan was like, we had this argument the other day because Brian likes to smoke in our other studio in Pasadena.
It's twice the size of this.
It's a small place.
So it stinks.
It's a foul smoke smell.
It's really disgusting.
So all of a sudden we're sitting there having a podcast.
I'm like, are you fucking smoking, man?
And we start talking about it.
And our friend Duncan is kind of shitting on him for being addicted.
But then he's like, Duncan, you smoke too.
You smoke every now and then.
He goes, I smoked one cigarette yesterday and one today.
I'm like, whoa, okay, whoa, stop, stop, stop.
You're dancing with the devil, too.
You're addicted, too.
You're addicted.
You're just giving yourself a little.
bryan callen
It's very addictive.
joe rogan
Giving yourself, it's a little, but he's like, I'm not addicted.
I'm like, the fuck you aren't, man.
If you were like, got out of jail, you did 30 years for strangling hookers and you punched a couple of girls in a nightclub.
bryan callen
You're going back to junk.
I got to go back to jail.
joe rogan
Yeah, I punched a girl.
I didn't choke anybody.
Everybody went home fine.
So she's got a fat lip.
That's what he was doing.
He was saying, I'm not addicted to killing hookers.
bryan callen
It's like being almost pregnant.
joe rogan
Yeah, exactly.
Yeah.
I don't understand it.
I've never experienced it, but I imagine the pull is amazing.
bryan callen
We all have addictions.
We're all alcoholics in one way or another.
joe rogan
Well, that's a weird thing about human progress and about just the human mind, in order to get really good at something, must become addicted.
You must be obsessed.
I knew this early on, the madness of martial arts.
You know, when I became completely obsessed with martial arts, when I was winning all these tournaments and shit when I was a young teenager, I knew that ultimately this is like kind of self-destructive.
That ultimately this is the same thing as being someone who's a cocaine addict or addicted to gambling.
bryan callen
You're an extremist.
joe rogan
I just figured out how to put it into this one thing and get really good at it and suck this reward out of this one thing.
But besides the character developing aspects of it, it's very similar to an addiction.
Really similar.
bryan callen
Because all I was doing is although, although I do think that there is a fundamental distinction.
And that fundamental distinction is when you throw yourself into something like martial arts that intensely, it's very different than what you consider a regular addiction.
In that, you have to come up against your own shortcomings to get better.
You've got to be very honest with yourself and work on what you're not good at, train when you don't want to train, train through plateaus, and you get very familiar with what it takes to accomplish something and to keep accomplishing and get better.
And then you can learn to take that particular experience and that paradigm and apply it to everything else.
joe rogan
My brother, that's my tattoo.
That's Miyamoto Musashi.
Once you understand the way broadly see it in all things.
bryan callen
Thank you.
joe rogan
Red Slaughter.
Most important thing that I ever read, ever.
When I was a young boy.
bryan callen
But I'm just saying.
joe rogan
You're absolutely right.
In terms of the significance in our culture and the positive aspects of it for your life.
But I'm talking about it as sort of like a chemical reward action sort of a situation.
jimmy burke
When you break it down, that's the numbers.
Dole brain chemistry.
joe rogan
Everything.
I try to always pull it out of the culture.
Pull it out of the culture.
bryan callen
Look at it as a culture.
joe rogan
Yeah, exactly.
Look at his, because if you're a scientist from outer space, how would you look at this?
Oh, well, this guy's good at kicking people in the head because he's got some crazy addiction.
I couldn't even go to dinner with you.
If I was out having dinner with someone or watching a movie that was about squirrels, all I was thinking about is kicking people in the face.
All I was thinking about is slip that shot and then boom, counter and move to the left and set them up with this.
That's all I was thinking about all day.
It's just like being a junkie.
It's a positive junkie experience.
bryan callen
You have that.
You have that.
You're intense, man.
When you get locked onto something, that's why you got to stay away from a golf course.
jimmy burke
Yeah, exactly.
bryan callen
You'll go crazy.
joe rogan
Exactly.
But Brian's seen me fucking play pool.
It's horrific.
He's gone out with me to pool halls.
brian redban
It's like being with a heroin addict.
bryan callen
You won't stop, right?
You can play all night.
joe rogan
Well, I get better with every game, you know, so more focus, more in stroke.
And five hours into it, I'm just warming up.
Everybody's like, I want to go home.
Like, I'm not even warmed up yet.
I don't get in stroke until like eight hours.
Pay for eight hours.
I'm getting stroke.
Yeah, eight hours, then you get into what a zone where you just know exactly how much pressure to put on the queue.
This is, by the way, when you're not even under pressure, when you're not like under the gun gambling.
This is just warming up.
He's like, madness.
bryan callen
It's like the movie.
The movie The Hustler.
If you guys haven't seen that movie, it's a classic poem.
Zacky Gleason, man.
jimmy burke
Piper Laurie.
bryan callen
And such a great movie.
joe rogan
George Cotton.
jimmy burke
George C. Scott.
bryan callen
My buddy's right in the movie.
unidentified
You owe me money.
jimmy burke
Exactly.
bryan callen
It was so great with Bert.
Yeah, Bert, whatever.
jimmy burke
That was pretty good, Bert Gordon.
That was pretty good.
Very good, Bubba.
And he beat me to it because I was just about to do it.
joe rogan
He was the original evil manager guy.
bryan callen
But, you know, that's, and they play and they play all night, and then it's like it goes on, and Jackie Gleason goes in, washes his hands and his face, comes back out, puts on a new shirt.
Puts on a new shirt.
joe rogan
Well, that was also about some people find a way to look at characters.
bryan callen
Yeah, right.
joe rogan
Some people find a way to lose.
jimmy burke
You're a loser, Eddie.
bryan callen
You lost yourself.
joe rogan
You know, in fighting, it's what you see frontrunners.
You see guys that do great as long as they're kicking the shit out of the other guy.
But once they start getting it put on them, they fold.
There's some dudes that just always fold.
They do great and then they fold.
They do not know how to come from.
bryan callen
I read a really good book recently called 10-Minute Toughness.
Have you heard about it?
unidentified
No.
bryan callen
It's about sports by a sports psychologist.
He's worked with the biggest athletes in the world.
Mostly gymnasts, ice skaters, fighters, wrestlers, and guys like that.
And skiers and things like that.
joe rogan
How dare you put skiers and fighters?
bryan callen
I know.
But it's all, but when you're competing, especially when you're in the middle of the house, they're fighting those moguls, Joe.
It's crazy.
Well, gymnastics, gymnastics, you make one mistake and you're disqualified.
Ice skating.
joe rogan
Or you break your fucking neck.
bryan callen
And what happens is, and what he talks about is really fascinating.
He said that it's not about, you see, athletes have a very hard time dealing with...
unidentified
I know.
bryan callen
I just have beautiful.
joe rogan
My troll legs.
jimmy burke
I didn't mean to interrupt.
unidentified
I'm going to say that.
jimmy burke
That was just funny, buddy.
bryan callen
He said the hardest thing to do is like, it's not about willpower.
Willpower never lasts.
What lasts is managing your self-image.
So you have to learn how to talk to yourself the right way.
So most people have negative, especially you become an athlete.
And if you've got a lot to lose, like you're going for the belt or you have the belt or whatever, you will sabotage yourself if you don't know how to talk to yourself and ask yourself positive questions.
Because most people ask themselves negative questions, right?
What if I fail?
What if I choke?
All these things.
So what he'll take athletes to do is he'll come up with, he'll have you start talking to yourself.
First, you start talking to yourself the right way.
You start asking yourself positive questions and you start talking to yourself the right way.
And then what he'll do is this.
He'll give you something to say before you work.
So one guy, George Brett, one of the greatest baseball players of all time, he used to say this to himself.
Try easier.
Another guy would say this.
joe rogan
Try easier.
jimmy burke
Try easier.
bryan callen
Try harder.
Relax.
Another guy would say this.
Don't make a big thing.
This gym is who won a gold medal.
I think that's the guy in the book.
jimmy burke
I can't remember.
bryan callen
He goes like this.
He goes, look away, relax.
No, relax, look away, go away.
And he would say that to himself.
And it became a mantra of him taking himself out of the equation.
But he gives you these, he really gives you basic.
joe rogan
That's all well and good if someone's not kicking your fucking ass.
bryan callen
Same thing fighting, though.
He said, look away.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
jimmy burke
Go away.
joe rogan
You got to come see stars.
bryan callen
Well, what he's saying is that most of us defeat ourselves.
Most of us defeat ourselves.
joe rogan
Pretty sure your dick's bleeding.
Look away.
You tell me to look away because you got to learn how to be an animal.
bryan callen
Yeah, well, it depends on.
It's all sport particular.
joe rogan
Well, it's also very, yeah, it's sport particular.
bryan callen
But you've got to manage your self-image.
joe rogan
You have to have done the work.
It's not all about your muscles.
You have to have done the work.
Because if you haven't done the work, you're not going to be confident.
unidentified
Absolutely.
joe rogan
And you're going to have questions.
And when you're in a bad spot, you're going to have questions.
You know, I remember there's always a difference, a huge difference between when I was in really good shape and I knew that I trained really hard and when I would take things like last-minute notice, I would fight in tournaments.
I knew I wasn't prepared.
I just wasn't ready.
My head wasn't ready.
My body wasn't ready.
If your body isn't ready, your head's not going to be ready.
It's not going to believe in your body.
But when you know you've done the work, then you would feel great.
Then you'd feel invincible.
Then when you get your ass kicked, then that's when you got to rethink.
jimmy burke
That's when you're sitting.
joe rogan
That was as good as I could be.
Well, there's certain dudes that were always going to get you.
There's certain physical attributes that some people have.
We talked about fists earlier.
I always had that.
I always had giant hands.
And I always had crazy knockout power, unusual knockout power for someone my size.
jimmy burke
You have men.
joe rogan
Yeah, but that's nothing.
I didn't go to school for that.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like George Foreman.
I'm obviously not comparing myself to George Foreman, but he had the most ridiculous size hands.
They were canned hams.
So if you look at his fight with Michael Moore, he hit Michael Moore with a punch.
I swear to God, I was with a bunch of people going, it's a fix.
That fucking punch was nothing.
That punch was nothing from you.
But if that was a telephone pole with a glove on the end of it, and it just thumped you in the fucking face from 10 inches like that punch did, it would knock you the fuck out, okay?
Well, George Foreman was 300 pounds with a giant canned ham for a fist, except it's got giant bones inside of it, like a hippo knee, and it fucking slams you in the jaw.
bryan callen
A hippo knee.
joe rogan
And your shit goes out.
bryan callen
A hippo knee is the greatest, that's the greatest metaphor for me.
joe rogan
And there are dudes who have just really unusual physical attributes.
With me, I always had big hands and big knees, and I always had an unusual amount of power.
Roy Jones Jr. is a perfect example.
There's a guy who had, you cannot deny, there was physical gifts that transcend mere mortals.
He had movement and speed that no one could compete with.
You just could not compete with it.
He was so good and so fast in his youth that he never used a jab.
unidentified
He would leap in with a left hook that you couldn't stop.
joe rogan
He did everything wrong.
His hands were down.
His chin was up.
He would put his hands behind his back and then knock you out with a punch like it was a fucking movie.
bryan callen
That's so crazy.
joe rogan
When he was at his basketball game.
bryan callen
He would play a basketball game.
joe rogan
No, he would play a fucking professional basketball game the day of a fight where he was defending his title.
bryan callen
And go fight a guy who's heavier.
joe rogan
And then box 12 rounds and go up to heavyweight and fuck up.
You know when he fucked up, man?
He fucked up when he went up to heavyweight and when he went up to, he fought John Ruiz, put on the performance of a lifetime, just shut John Ruiz out as a heavyweight.
A guy who used to be 168.
He used to fight at 168, by the way, not even cut weight to make 168.
That's how fucking good Roy Jones was.
Okay?
And when he went up to heavyweight, he put on a lot of bulk.
And when he got off the steroids or whatever the fuck it was to get up to heavyweight, which by the way, he had to have.
He was in his 30s.
There's no doubt about it.
He put on 20 pounds of muscle like that over a short period of time.
You're doing something.
He's working with Mackie Shillstone and that guy's a guy that worked with Amanda Holyfield and Michael Spinks.
They give you things, all right?
These are pro athletes, all right?
Period.
Let's stop playing games, okay?
The best guys all take something if they want to get bigger.
There's no other way around it, right?
Okay, so he goes up and then he comes back.
And when he comes back, he cuts weight down to light, heavyweight.
And he's off this shit.
He looks terrible.
Okay.
And he gets in there with Antonio Tarver.
A dude who's not scared of him.
A dude who he had a real close fight with before.
And Antonio Tarver in the middle of the ring goes, you got any excuses tonight, Roy?
bryan callen
Is that what he said?
joe rogan
That's what he said when they were fucking going eye to eye.
And he said it with confidence.
And then when you're not used to that, when you're used to being the guy who is chicken fighting and standing in front of a guy and just blasting out.
bryan callen
Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, I thought he was dead.
joe rogan
Tarver cracked him.
Well, that was not that fight.
It was the next fight with Glenn Johnson.
Glenn Johnson fucked him up.
Glenn Johnson knocked him completely unconscious where his head was off the mat.
His legs were stiff.
His arms were stiff.
I hate it.
That's like brain damage.
And then he took a long time off.
And then he came back and he got knocked out recently by that Russian dude, Vebedev.
bryan callen
So he's still fighting?
joe rogan
Yeah, man.
He got knocked out in his, not his last fight, but his fight next to last.
His last fight, he won a decision over a guy who had no business in the ring with him.
But he owes money to taxes.
He owes like $3 million to the IRS or something, according to the internet.
bryan callen
Somebody get these guys an advanced.
joe rogan
Well, he's in his 40s.
But the thing is now, unlike Bernard Hopkins, who in his 40s, he's still fucking people up.
You know why?
Because he's a technician.
unidentified
That's right.
joe rogan
Because he's a technician.
He's always got his hands up.
bryan callen
He's gifted as those guys are in the game.
unidentified
Exactly.
joe rogan
His footwork is perfect.
He's always in the right position.
And when he's not sure if you're going to hit him or not, he grabs you.
He grabs you and mugs you.
He punches you in the fucking back of the head.
Waits for the referee to come, punches you in the back of the head on the break.
He's just, he fucks you up.
He roughs you up.
bryan callen
He's fucking your foot.
jimmy burke
All the famous.
unidentified
Yeah.
bryan callen
He does all kinds of things.
So Kelly Pavlick.
Apparently what he said to Kelly Pavlick after he beat him was he grabbed him and he goes, don't let this ruin you.
Don't let this ruin you.
joe rogan
No, you know what else he said?
You need to learn how to fight like a black guy.
unidentified
He did?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Yeah.
Go train with some black people.
Learn how to fight like a black guy.
bryan callen
That's hilarious.
joe rogan
Fucking right.
bryan callen
And I wrote a lot of people.
joe rogan
Kelly Pavlick.
I wrote a blog entry about that.
I wrote a long article on my website.
If you just Google Bernard Hopkins is a bad motherfucker.
That's the name of the article because it was just, I was so blown away by this guy in his late 40s who's taking on this knockout artist from the rough and tumble streets of, I think it was like where's he from?
No, no, no, no, no, no.
He's from Youngstown, Ohio.
Same place as Ray Boom Boom Man City.
And he's fucking knocking everybody out.
Knocked, what's his face out?
He knocked a gang of people out.
Kelly Pavak was knocking.
But the one dude that he knocked out for the title that fucking shit, I forget his name.
Poor kid wound up getting knocked out by a bunch of people after that.
Jerome Jermaine James Taylor.
Jermaine Taylor.
Jermaine Taylor.
unidentified
Taylor, right?
joe rogan
Jermaine Taylor.
jimmy burke
Tough guy.
joe rogan
Really.
But he was another one that they said was really talented, didn't quite train as hard as he should have because he was so talented and he wound up getting knocked out a few times.
bryan callen
Once you lose a step, right?
joe rogan
Once you lose a step.
But also, the reality of concussions, man.
The reality of concussions is you get that first one.
Yeah.
Have you had six?
jimmy burke
I've had six, too.
unidentified
Whoa.
jimmy burke
Don't think, I don't think about it when I watch those HBO shows and I read more, you know, and I read the science section of the time.
joe rogan
Do you have like headaches or do you depressed easy?
jimmy burke
No, I don't.
joe rogan
You're lucky.
You're also Irish.
I think a lot of Irish people are used to concussions.
It's just part of the DNA.
bryan callen
It's part of the DNA.
unidentified
I won't say that it's genetic, but I will say that's probably been handed down.
joe rogan
Well, a shalely across the head as a young lad.
bryan callen
Have you seen the documentary Knuckle?
joe rogan
Oh, the bear fighting.
unidentified
Oh, it's hilarious.
bryan callen
It's so funny.
joe rogan
Oh, they're amazing.
bryan callen
It's just like clans.
Like, Ireland's just clans.
I'll tell you something right now.
unidentified
I'll beat that man, and there's no quill on the face of the earth that can beat me.
bryan callen
Not a man who is.
joe rogan
You're a bag of shite.
You're a bug of shite.
jimmy burke
Married.
bryan callen
I'll tell you something about this.
I'll tell you something else, Patty.
Nevin.
No, Nevin.
And the history of the Nevins has ever been.
jimmy burke
And I've never seen the man out.
bryan callen
I've never seen the man ever reach for a check.
He's hiding under his wife.
joe rogan
I've never seen the man reach for a check.
And they'll take their shirts off and reveal the most unimpressive physique.
bryan callen
Oh, that's great.
joe rogan
Anyone can throw hands.
I'll throw hands.
unidentified
I'll pick.
bryan callen
I'll poke your eyes out.
Your eyes I'll poke out.
By the way, about my Irish broke.
jimmy burke
What part of Scotland is that Irish guy from?
joe rogan
You're fucked up.
You went Sean Connor.
bryan callen
I'm terrible.
I'm terrible.
joe rogan
But you know what it is?
Here's what it is.
Alcohol and ugly women.
You just start fighting.
Of course.
They're not fighting over territory.
They're fighting to have some fucking meaning to their life.
That's why they're angry at each other.
They're trying to have some meaning for their everyday existence.
By the way, they're always tired, okay?
Because they're drunk all the time.
When you're doing that, your motivation, your journey de vie, your lust of life, it's kind of out the window.
It's always depressed.
bryan callen
I was looking at the guy who was like, oh, he's got to be 55.
He was younger than I was.
He was like 33.
I was like, what?
joe rogan
Yeah, these guys get hammered.
jimmy burke
The brain is soiled.
joe rogan
Yeah.
You get hammered all the time like that, man.
And those guys are always irritable as well.
But, you know, some of them have amazing endurance for dudes who are drinking all the time.
bryan callen
Yeah, but those bites lasted two hours, two and a half hours.
joe rogan
Not a really fucking frantic pace, though.
It's not like a Nick Diaz fight.
He's on you fucking ripping shots of your ribcage.
They like hit each other once and then they cover up.
bryan callen
I'd love to see Nick Diaz just walk into one of those things, just pretend he's an Irishman.
joe rogan
Be like, what, bitch?
unidentified
What, bitch?
bryan callen
What did he have to be like, batch?
jimmy burke
Did he just call me a bitch?
bryan callen
They called me a bitch.
jimmy burke
That man just called me a bitch.
joe rogan
Well, not only that, he would be hitting them with like those 50% punches, 50% power.
And they'd be like, this guy hits like a bitch.
Next thing you know, he's fucking beating you into a bloody pulp.
He's not going to be able to do that.
bryan callen
If you can do a work on your Irish accent, go to Ireland, join a clan, you're making a fortune.
They don't make you a nanny.
joe rogan
There's no money in there.
bryan callen
They spent $120,000 on those fights.
They get the whole village to pitch in.
jimmy burke
The whole village together.
bryan callen
You got to see the documentary.
joe rogan
$120,000.
bryan callen
The person's $100,000, man.
They get the whole Klan to pitch in.
They're like, you got to pitch in.
joe rogan
All of a sudden, Nick Diaz right now is in a gym in Stockton, and he's rapping his hands while he's listening to this podcast.
And he just went, did you say $120,000, man?
Because I'll tell you what, man.
I'm like, I ain't no bitch.
unidentified
I'll go.
joe rogan
I'll fucking fight that dude.
bryan callen
He'll get a clover.
He'll get a huge clover tattooed to his chest.
joe rogan
And he'll be like, can I wear gloves?
He probably just doesn't want to hurt his hands.
You know, like, you can go bare knuckle.
I'll just wear these little gloves.
bryan callen
I'll wear these gloves.
joe rogan
Go ahead, bare-knuckle, dude.
bryan callen
I'll bop blindfold myself and still beat you up.
I love the way that too.
joe rogan
Well, the skill level of these guys is terrible.
You know, you watch these Irish boxers.
bryan callen
Nick, because Nick is such a, it seems like he's his.
jimmy burke
You guys are spoiled.
I mean, you guys are so spoiled.
I mean, I am too.
unidentified
I don't know.
joe rogan
Well, you know, there's still, I am always, you know, look, I'm always pretty critical about a lot of things in MMA.
But, you know, I'm pretty honest about it.
But one of the most, the aspects of MMA that's the least evolved is the striking.
And there's a reason why a guy like Nick Diaz could come in there and just fucking box people up.
Because no one is, first of all, he's got a very unique style that's all his own, and he's figured out how to do that.
That style of boxing for MMA is pretty fucking effective.
But when you look at like the high-level strikers and other organizations, you're simply not seeing that in MMA yet.
And that's why there's a new kid that just came in and fought in this last UFC, the first fight of the night, actually, Stephen Wonderboy Thompson.
He's 60-0 as a kickboxer.
unidentified
Jesus.
joe rogan
Okay, yeah.
bryan callen
Jesus.
joe rogan
Yeah, and he's, but he's a karate kickboxer.
So he's got this crazy style where he fights with the front leg first.
Yeah.
And he like he fights like completely sideways, but he throws like front leg roundhouse kicks, spinning kicks, all this wild shit.
He knocked the fucking dude out with a front leg roundhouse kick to the face.
The dude didn't even see coming because nobody would have thrown it that way.
bryan callen
Taekwondo thing, he played.
joe rogan
Yeah, exactly.
Exactly.
But he's more of a karate kickboxing, like above-the-waist kickboxing, and those point tournaments.
I think that's where he started out.
bryan callen
Those guys cannot kick your head off of those.
Fuck yeah.
joe rogan
And those kicks.
Wheel kicks, back kicks, that fucking front leg, man.
No one kicks with the front leg like this guy does.
And I've always saw that in Taekwondo tournaments.
I always knew it was possible.
There was another dude in Russia really, really recently.
He was a really high-level karate guy as well.
He fought in a lot of Kyokushin tournaments.
He came out and axe kicked this dude in the face.
And then 360 Roundhouse kicked him unconscious in the air.
Boom!
Which is a really effective technique.
bryan callen
I know guys in my Taekwondo.
unidentified
Exactly.
bryan callen
They could do that.
I was talking to Nate Marker.
I go, Nate, please trust me.
I don't know anything.
I'm an actor.
I have no business talking to you about fighting.
I'm a pussy, but I did do Taekwondo, and I have friends that can kick better than anybody you've ever seen.
I go, just go to my school, and you'll be amazed.
joe rogan
Well, dude, I fucking sat down with George St. Pierre, and I was amazed that he would listen to me when he was like, I need someone to teach me to spinning back kick.
And I'm like, dude, I can teach you.
I can teach you.
I thought he was humoring me.
The commentator is just going to teach me.
But when we came to the gym, we started working out.
There's videos of it online.
People don't believe me.
But the guys that get really good at kicking like that, here's the thing.
They don't learn how to box.
They don't learn how to wrestle.
They don't learn jujitsu.
So that's all they do.
They fight in these taekwondo tournaments and they have these wild fucking kicks.
bryan callen
And they don't punch the face a lot of times.
joe rogan
Those wild kicks leave you vulnerable for wrestling.
They're not effective on their own.
They're only effective if you learn that other shit.
bryan callen
Exactly.
joe rogan
And a lot of people don't because to get so good at kicks and then to learn all that other stuff, you have to be a beginner again.
You have to get your ass.
bryan callen
Usually, by the way, you got to start when you're young.
Yeah, that's the problem.
That's why guys like Rory McDonald, and there's young guys who are, if you can float between camps, like if you can just learn, but it's really hard.
It's really hard.
joe rogan
So the level of striking, like Aleister Ovream right now represents the highest level of kickboxing in MMA.
Guy won the K1 Grand Prix, period.
You don't get any better than that.
It's a guy who's beaten Peter Ertz, beaten Gokan Saki.
He's a fucking killer.
Knocked out Bader Hari.
So he right now represents the highest level of kickboxing in MMA.
So you look at him, you go, striking doesn't get any better than that.
It gets different.
It gets different.
Some guys have different techniques and different tools.
But what he doesn't represent is that crazy Taekwondo shit.
Like front-like roundhouse kicks and wheel kicks and axe kicks.
And that is what this Steven Thompson guy represents.
And so there's another layer to the cake that's just been added.
jimmy burke
Is he American?
joe rogan
Thompson?
Yeah, yeah.
He's a piece of bad motherfucker.
He's 28 years old, too.
bryan callen
Yeah, but I think also like striking, if you had to choose, it seems like you would choose to be a striker first.
You learn as a kid, and then you get really good at striking, and then you can really become a, like, if you put 10 years or five, six years as an adult into jiu-jitsu, you can get, depending on who you are.
But these athletes can get really good.
You can get good enough.
joe rogan
Depending on who you are.
I mean, with St. Pierre.
See, look, St. Pierre has a karate background.
He's Kyokushin background.
And that's one of the reasons why his kicks are so good, his movement is so...
And then he learned how to wrestle.
I mean, this crazy thing is you look at George, and he's the best wrestler in MMA.
The most effective.
But he didn't even learn how to wrestle in high school or college.
He didn't wrestle in high school or college.
bryan callen
You see that with striking, really?
joe rogan
It's really hard to get striking because, you know, honestly, he's very rare to see that even for wrestling.
It's very rare.
bryan callen
Of course.
But my buddy's a pro boxer, and he said, the way you get really good at being able to slip punches and get really comfortable with that kind of speed and that timing is when you start when you're seven and you can catch and you learn how to catch punches like jabs on your forehead and all that, you've got to start as a kid because kids can't hurt each other.
They don't hit as hard.
So you start to learn how to, how to, you know, you come up learning.
joe rogan
That's all well and good until you add Taekwondo to the situation.
I've seen little kids knock other little kids fucking conscious.
bryan callen
That's bad.
joe rogan
And that's uncomfortable to watch.
I've seen some little eight and nine-year-olds knock each other the fuck out.
jimmy burke
That's dangerous.
joe rogan
It is dangerous.
And you know what, man?
They tell them, you know, like easy contact to the face.
Yeah, whatever.
Half these people are savages that are fighting in these fucking kids.
bryan callen
Give them a fucking helmet that works.
joe rogan
Those helmets don't work.
Those cushiony.
bryan callen
They don't work.
joe rogan
No, the cushiony taekwondo helmets at the waist.
Here's what's not covered.
Your fucking face.
Guys are getting wheel kicked in the face by other little kids.
And I don't care if you're 30 pounds.
If you have a wheel kick and it spins around with that heel and you hit a 30-pound kid in the face, you're going to knock him out, man.
It's dangerous.
jimmy burke
I was 10 when I had my first concussion, okay?
Make a tackle on a kickoff.
I was a great young, young football player.
I was fast.
Did you go out?
Oh, I woke up.
I was in Breezy Point and I woke up and it was a night game.
And it was right out of North Dallas 40.
And I just laid there and I looked up and it was my coach and it was my other coach.
And I saw my mom kind of walking towards me and with that look on her face.
unidentified
And I was like, what just happened to me?
jimmy burke
And where am I?
And okay, I recognize you, you, and that's my mom.
It's the first time you ever get knocked the fuck out.
But as a man, you might, I don't want to get knocked out.
unidentified
But as a kid, you're fucked up.
joe rogan
And how long did it take before you felt normal again?
You didn't play football again that season?
jimmy burke
How about the next that I sat out a week?
And they put me, yeah, yeah, they sat me out a week.
And by the way, I didn't know what a fucking concussion was.
Joe, I didn't know what a concussion was.
A kid on my team, Jimmy Campbell, when I came back, he said, oh, you're back already.
Oh, how you feeling?
unidentified
All right.
jimmy burke
I'm like, I'm fine.
I'm okay.
My mother never mentioned concussion.
My father never mentioned concussion.
joe rogan
Nobody knew what it was.
jimmy burke
You had a concussion.
I went, oh, what?
bryan callen
It raises really important.
I went, but it raises very serious questions because now with football, that you know, we know what's happening to these guys' brains.
By the time they're even, by the time they get into the pros, sometimes their brains have shrunk.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
We talked about it on a really recent podcast.
That kid, what the fuck's his name?
Henry.
What's his name again, Brian?
brian redban
Henry Winkler.
joe rogan
No, the football player.
jimmy burke
I don't know, it's not the five.
joe rogan
Do you remember you Googled this?
brian redban
Yeah, I know what it is.
joe rogan
Well, anyway, this kid was 28 years old, fell off the back of a truck.
They do an autopsy on him.
His brain's fucked.
unidentified
He was the wide receiver.
joe rogan
Yeah, his brain was fucked.
bryan callen
He had the brain of an old man.
joe rogan
Yeah, already at 28.
bryan callen
But that's the question now.
What does that say now?
Now, what do we do about the sport?
What does that say?
You want your kid playing football?
I don't want my kid playing football.
joe rogan
Fuck that.
I would rather my kid box, for real.
Because at least I think you can teach a kid how important it is not to get hit in the head and use good fundamentals and work with a good fucking coach that's not going to throw you to the wolves and get you beat up.
You got to look at your brain as a time card.
You have only so many holes you can get punched.
And, you know, you punch a few.
One, you might be okay.
Two, whoa, it's getting weird.
Three, oh, Jesus.
Yeah.
Scary shit.
And they didn't know.
It's weird that they didn't know.
This was just a few decades ago and they didn't know what to do.
jimmy burke
Joe, I'm sorry.
Let me give you my very brief history of my relationships with concussions.
Okay.
10 years old, first concussion, playing football.
Okay.
Pop Warner in Brooklyn.
Then I'm 13 and I get high and I fall out of a tree.
Concussion, I'm in the hospital for a week.
In the hospital for a week.
Okay.
joe rogan
How high was the tree?
jimmy burke
High.
I fucked up.
I was high.
joe rogan
20 feet.
jimmy burke
Yeah, I was way up.
I was way up.
Actually, no, I was on a swing.
I got high.
I fell off.
My friend put me on my bike.
I was knocked out.
My friend put me on my bike.
We had to ride back home about two miles.
No bullshit.
Back on Highland Boulevard.
I didn't know where.
Dude, I woke up in the hospital that night but I had been functioning the whole day.
joe rogan
You know, then UFC fights all the time.
jimmy burke
And not remembering.
joe rogan
And Alex Caceres this weekend gets headkicked in the first round, gets dropped, goes on, fights this crazy three-round fight.
At the end of the fight, they tell him it's the end of the fight.
He goes, what?
He goes, you're lying.
He goes, that was the end of the third round.
He goes, you're lying to me right now.
You're lying to me right now.
He goes, you're lying to me right now.
And then they stand in there in the middle of the ring and they read the decision.
The referee's reading it.
And he's like, baffled.
I can't believe this is really the decision.
This is really the end of the fight.
Like, what happened?
What happened?
jimmy burke
Short-term memory loss.
joe rogan
Fought two and a half rounds, not even conscious, just on autopilot.
jimmy burke
Crazy.
Then I got a concussion next year, 14 in the hospital for playing football.
Then next year, three years in a row, 13, 14, 15.
unidentified
Jeez.
bryan callen
You got that long neck, man.
brian redban
You just start wearing a helmet or something.
joe rogan
And all of them, you're going out.
jimmy burke
The second concussion was a fight.
I hit the back of my head against the concrete.
Oh, jeez.
joe rogan
So a guy punches you.
jimmy burke
Punches me.
unidentified
You fall.
jimmy burke
Fall.
And, you know, it's that fall where you fucking hit your back and snap your head back.
And by the way, he was a friend of mine.
joe rogan
Oh, geez.
unidentified
Yeah.
jimmy burke
It wasn't, you know, it wasn't a real, real fight.
We were fucking around, fucking around.
I got tagged just by accident, just fucking around.
And by the way, he was with me when I was 13 the year before and put me on my bike and took me home.
joe rogan
Oh, geez.
unidentified
Yeah.
jimmy burke
This guy was a piece of work.
He later went on about two years later to break into my father's house.
And my neighbor, our neighbor, Bob Grant, an old Scot, said, I saw Robbie go up and climb onto your back of your roof.
unidentified
He said, he's breaking into your house.
jimmy burke
And my father went berserk.
My father took him to the Bahamas.
He was a family friend.
joe rogan
Should have taken him to the Bahamas and beaten the fuck out of him.
jimmy burke
We brought him back to the house.
We brought him back to the house.
joe rogan
Take him on vacation.
jimmy burke
He admitted doing it, and my father had him shave his head.
And that was like his whole time.
unidentified
Yeah, he did that to two other guys, though, who broke into our house.
joe rogan
Two other guys have broken your house?
Why was everyone breaking?
jimmy burke
But they were kids.
The others were only 15.
We made the kids.
bryan callen
The kids shave his head?
jimmy burke
Made the kids shave their head.
joe rogan
How many guys broke into your fucking house?
unidentified
Well, my best friend did at 15.
jimmy burke
And at 15, my little sister's, two of her friends broke in.
joe rogan
Girls?
jimmy burke
One girl.
He made them two guys.
joe rogan
Did he make the girl shave her head?
unidentified
Yes.
jimmy burke
He did.
My dad did.
joe rogan
He made the girl shave.
jimmy burke
I don't want to say their names.
I'm just learning this racket.
bryan callen
Can you imagine?
He made the girl shave.
jimmy burke
His dad is so old school brother.
He said very basically, he said very basically, listen, you're going to pay me back everything you owe me, which was just the change jars.
They drank booze.
They're kids.
They're 15.
And he said, you're going to write a letter of apology and you're going to shave your heads.
And I remember they went, what?
And my dad said, shave your head.
I'm calling the cops.
And we're going over to your parents' house.
bryan callen
Jimmy, Jimmy's.
His father, his grandfather fought for the world heavyweight, lightweight championship.
jimmy burke
Lightweight championship.
joe rogan
So how does he get the girl to shave her head?
jimmy burke
He just tells her.
He just tells her, go shave your head.
joe rogan
How old is this girl?
jimmy burke
15.
joe rogan
Is she pretty?
jimmy burke
No.
bryan callen
Damn it, no.
joe rogan
Darn.
jimmy burke
Italian girl, big, skinny.
Olive oil with a big nose.
joe rogan
Is she doing this?
Is she alone at home and he's going to check on her later?
jimmy burke
No, no, they're coming the next day.
My father has an appointment with them the next day on his front step.
You're coming back here tomorrow at 5 o'clock.
joe rogan
So he doesn't want to supervise it and watch.
He just wants them to come back.
jimmy burke
Just come back.
bryan callen
That would be a fetishy, weird thing.
That'd be like, wait a minute, you're having teenagers shave their heads in front of you.
joe rogan
We gotta crazy.
bryan callen
We gotta talk about that.
That's an interesting punishment.
I never heard that.
jimmy burke
Well, my dad's old school.
He knows that.
joe rogan
They had to think about it.
jimmy burke
He doesn't want to bring it up.
joe rogan
While they're walking around looking in the mirror at the stubble, they have a great idea.
bryan callen
Mark a cain.
Mark a Kane, man.
jimmy burke
Exactly right.
You shave your heads.
And they did.
And I have to be honest with you.
They were those.
joe rogan
It's a gangster.
Get a girl to shave her head.
bryan callen
How did your dad punish you?
jimmy burke
My dad, you know what?
bryan callen
He never did.
unidentified
He very rarely did.
jimmy burke
My dad just had to give me a look.
He just had to have a tone of voice.
And I got it.
My mom administered corporal punishment.
Yeah, religiously.
joe rogan
Your mom beat the fuck out of you.
jimmy burke
No, she didn't beat the fuck out of me.
She's my hero.
joe rogan
She slapped me all.
jimmy burke
She's my hero.
joe rogan
She ever knock you out?
jimmy burke
When my parents were, she didn't knock me out, but this is a true story.
After my father and mom got divorced, my dad bought a house one block away on the next block.
So I could go up into my room in my mother's house.
I could look across and I would see my dad's house and I could see my room in my dad's house.
So that when I was home, my dad, I'd see my dad come home about five, six, seven, eight o'clock at night, whatever it was.
He was coming back from Manhattan.
And I'd see him come home and I'd turn and I go, mom, dad's home.
I'm going to go down and see him.
And I would go out the back door, climb over the fence, and I would be at my dad's front step and stoop in 25 seconds, less than that.
And we'd play hoops.
And my dad said to me when I was 12 years old, I'm divorcing your mom.
There's nothing we can do.
But don't worry, I'm not going anywhere.
And of course, I'm 12.
I'm shocked.
I'm like, what the fuck?
They never ever argued.
They're both awesome people.
It just was a marriage.
It just didn't unfortunately work out.
joe rogan
You mean like most of them?
unidentified
Yeah.
jimmy burke
Exactly.
That's why I'll never be married.
joe rogan
The only reason to do it is for children.
You can find a strange situation where the person is just unbelievably, you have some crazy compatibility and it works.
But there's a lot of pressure involved in living with someone.
There's a lot of pressure involved with being in a legal entanglement with someone.
The threat of divorce is always looming over it.
Is there a weird thing where you're illegally connected and you know, you know in the back of your head the statistics.
Everybody knows.
What is it, like 60% or something in California?
bryan callen
50, I think.
joe rogan
I think California is even higher.
I think California is really silly.
jimmy burke
I know the national average is 50.
I don't know about California.
joe rogan
And that's the people with the balls to get out.
bryan callen
That's right.
That's the people with the balls to get out.
jimmy burke
Absolutely.
And you know what, Joe?
That's exactly.
When I got older, I saw that.
I got that.
I really got that.
bryan callen
Yeah, your divorce with your parents really changed you.
I mean, you never really believed in marriage.
jimmy burke
I still don't believe in marriage.
joe rogan
I'm married and I don't believe in marriage.
It's ridiculous.
jimmy burke
I mean, it's a contract.
It's an institution.
That's the old saying.
It's a great institution.
It makes you want to be institutionalized.
joe rogan
It makes women feel better and it makes them have something they can say to their friends.
Oh, we're married.
Oh, you're married now with children.
Oh, she's married with children.
They love that.
Men don't give a fuck.
jimmy burke
It's a social media.
bryan callen
When girls say, I got a ring.
They all go, ah!
When guys fucking say they got married, guys go, oh.
joe rogan
I know guys who have kids who live with their girlfriend and they have no intention of getting married and the girl, like, there's always like a thing.
No matter how much they love each other and how much they're together all the time and they just obviously have an amazing bond.
They want that legal contract.
They want that distinction.
bryan callen
That's right.
joe rogan
Designation.
jimmy burke
Ultimate commitment.
joe rogan
This is Jimmy Burke.
jimmy burke
Ultimate commitment.
bryan callen
This is Jimmy Burke.
I've seen him dodge that bullet time and again.
jimmy burke
I had to turn my back in 30 seconds.
I had to turn my back.
joe rogan
What do you mean?
jimmy burke
There were a couple times where I had to turn my back because you got close.
Oh, more than close.
bryan callen
You bought a ring once.
jimmy burke
Oh, I bought a ring once.
bryan callen
I remember that.
unidentified
It was fucking Hail Mary from the one-yard line.
joe rogan
Oh, so you're trying to keep her?
jimmy burke
Trying to keep her.
Yeah, she's awesome.
joe rogan
She's mad.
I want something real.
This is my favorite.
I want something real.
You know what?
I mean, I love you, and you're so amazing, and you can be the most perfect bruiser for me ever.
But I want something real.
bryan callen
And then they cry.
joe rogan
I am 28 years old, Jimmy Burke.
jimmy burke
Oh, my God.
joe rogan
And then I'm going to be 30, and I'm not fucking waiting for you to grow up.
You don't have a phone.
bryan callen
You know what happens to me?
When they cry like that, I'm like, oh, sweetie, come here.
Then all of a sudden I'm like, why do I have a part on?
It's so weird you're crying when it's turned me on.
unidentified
Sweetie.
bryan callen
And you have sex with them, and then it's all fucked up.
joe rogan
You know, the real problem is there's two completely different fucking animals.
Absolutely different.
And they're forced to breed with each other.
bryan callen
So true.
joe rogan
You know, that's a totally different species, the male and the female.
bryan callen
Well, my biggest thing is that women would seem really, if there's a problem, women will just want to air it out and cry and just be heard.
Whereas I want to go, I want to fix the fucking problem.
unidentified
I want to fix it.
bryan callen
I'm not, if there's an issue, let's figure out where the fucking hole is and fill it, right?
That makes sense to me.
jimmy burke
And that's a very natural male.
bryan callen
They don't have that in them.
They're not reasonably airing at it emotionally, hearing themselves speak about it, talking about it.
That's the therapy.
joe rogan
For me, they like bitching.
bryan callen
For me, it's like, I don't want to talk about it.
Let's figure out where the fuck the problem is and attack the problem.
joe rogan
Well, that's one of the things that Chas Bono said when she started taking testosterone and becoming a man was how annoying women were.
bryan callen
Oh, that's funny.
Oh, so you really said it?
joe rogan
Bickering, yeah.
Cara he, I like how completely correct you are.
jimmy burke
You're amazing.
bryan callen
Thank you.
unidentified
You're amazing.
jimmy burke
Thank you.
Thank you very much.
unidentified
I have a charity bono, chastity bono story.
joe rogan
Charity bono.
jimmy burke
Charity bono.
Fudge show.
unidentified
A story?
Yeah.
jimmy burke
I do.
I worked at the Morgan's Hotel, first out of college, out of Fordham, and I was working in room service.
And it usually got very busy and very intense.
And the Morgan's was the first hotel opened up by Steve Rubell and Ian Schrager after they got out of prison.
joe rogan
I don't know who that is.
jimmy burke
Yeah.
Studio 54 at Joe.
Studio 54.
They own Studio 54.
bryan callen
Come on.
jimmy burke
Steve Rubell, Ian Schrager?
Oh, Baba.
They also have some of the greatest hotels now.
Okay.
joe rogan
But most people don't know what the fuck you're talking about.
jimmy burke
I'm sorry.
You're right, Joe.
bryan callen
You're right.
Thank you.
jimmy burke
I got you.
I'm like, yes, exactly.
Anyway, these guys.
bryan callen
Studio 54 was probably the most.
jimmy burke
I forget there's people listening.
Honestly, I'm explaining.
Yeah, I got it.
bryan callen
It was the most decadent nightclub in the 70s, Studio 54.
It was cocaine.
It was drugs.
It stood for, like, for the establishment, it stood for everything that was subversive.
It was sex, drugs, and rock and roll.
jimmy burke
Oh, it was the real thing.
It's historic.
It's historic.
bryan callen
And it's where every culture started.
That's where people got fucked up, pregnant, killed, everything.
joe rogan
Right.
Okay.
So they got out.
They start a hotel.
You're working there.
jimmy burke
They started to get a home.
Chassity.
Thank you for bringing it back.
And room service.
Hi, room service.
Jim speaking.
How may I help you?
Yeah.
Hi, Jim.
It's Chassity up in the penthouse.
Yeah, hi, Chassity.
Hey, how you doing?
What can I get for you?
I'd like the cottage cheese platter.
I'd like a tab.
They still had tab back then.
I'd like a tab.
And I would like a side of a chopped fruit salad.
I was like, okay.
And that'll be about 20 minutes.
All right.
Thanks.
Bye.
Bye.
Phone rings 10 minutes later.
Yeah.
Hi, Jim.
Hi.
This is Jassity.
Yeah, I just put that order into you.
I went, yeah.
Yeah, Jassy, what can I get for you, honey?
You know, I'm just going to change that order.
unidentified
I'm going to have that cheeseburger deluxe with the french fries.
And I would like a beer with that, too.
jimmy burke
Okay.
Was it a beer?
I didn't remember.
joe rogan
How old was she?
jimmy burke
She was probably 16, so maybe it wasn't a beer.
It was probably a soda.
unidentified
Right.
jimmy burke
And I thought that was kind of strange.
She just kind of revamped the whole order.
joe rogan
Well, I would have immediately said somebody doesn't, when she's calling you with a hushed tone.
jimmy burke
Exactly.
joe rogan
Somebody doesn't want her eating shitty food.
jimmy burke
Exactly.
joe rogan
Somebody wants her on a diet.
jimmy burke
Exactly.
Well, her mom's up there and sitting in there.
And so this is also my Cher story.
Yeah.
And I'm gay and I love Cher.
joe rogan
You're gay?
unidentified
Yeah.
jimmy burke
I'm gay.
Yeah, I'm coming out right now.
Look, if I love Cher, I'm gay.
Obviously, I'm gay.
All right.
joe rogan
You just have weird tastes.
You don't have to be gay.
jimmy burke
No, exactly.
joe rogan
If you love Madonna.
bryan callen
Jimmy Berg is the straightest, gay, the gayest, straight man I know.
joe rogan
Okay, so what happened?
jimmy burke
So I bring it up.
I put it down, blah, blah, blah.
She's like, thank you, thank you.
unidentified
She then says, just let me sign this, blah, blah, blah.
jimmy burke
It goes out.
Okay, fine.
I get a call from Cher.
I come up.
unidentified
She nails her on sneaking in the bad food.
jimmy burke
And I felt so bad.
You were there?
Yeah, I felt so bad.
joe rogan
So what does she do?
What does Cher do?
jimmy burke
No, I heard her yelling.
I was at the door.
She heard her yelling.
I just, what are you doing?
Why are you ordering this?
unidentified
And now they had the penthouse, which was, there was a downstairs and an upstairs.
jimmy burke
I brought it to the downstairs.
And she specifically told me to bring it to the downstairs.
Sorry, bring it in.
Bring it downstairs.
Leave it downstairs.
I had to go back up and bring Cher up, an entire, she had a whole order coming.
And I brought it in.
She was pissed off.
She'd just gotten out of the shower.
She was in a robe.
She looked like just a wet rat.
And I love Cher.
I do.
I do.
joe rogan
You know, keep going.
jimmy burke
And I love her music.
I don't think she deserved to win.
joe rogan
Who cares?
jimmy burke
Come on.
So I put the stuff down.
I take everything off.
I'm doing my jackhandy room service guy thing.
unidentified
And she, I can see she's fuming.
jimmy burke
And I give her the thing, sign.
I don't know.
unidentified
And it was probably $200 in the middle.
jimmy burke
No tip.
Now, that's where my story's going.
No tip.
Doesn't even sign.
Doesn't even give me 10%, 5%, 15%.
unidentified
Zero.
jimmy burke
Zero.
No tip.
Now, to her defense, tip was included back then.
The 10% tip was included.
Not 15, 10%.
joe rogan
And so what are you bitching about?
jimmy burke
I'm bitching about that.
brian redban
You usually just do a tip on top of that.
jimmy burke
I always got it.
Of course you do.
joe rogan
I always do.
jimmy burke
Because you're generous and because you get it.
bryan callen
But yeah, I like Cher, though, because Cher, let me qualify this.
Cher spends her own money and a lot of it to send hockey helmets and equipment and even body armor to soldiers in Iraq.
Like on her own dime and does it anonymously.
Like fucking got called out.
They said, you're sending stuff.
And he's like, yeah, and I'm an entertainer.
Nobody respects my opinion, so I'm not going to give my opinion.
But she was so upset at these guys getting blown up, like in the beginning of the war, that she fucking, she spent a fortune sending them hockey, body armor.
And she was sending whole packages.
jimmy burke
That's a whole lot of stuff.
I told you I love it.
joe rogan
That is great.
But I've always looked at her situation with her kid.
And when I saw the whole thing, first of all, her kid was really fat, right?
And then her kid becomes a man, right?
And I'm like, you know, how much of this is psychological, man?
How much of this is neglect?
How much of this is the kid just didn't get enough love and attention because mom was a fucking superstar jeting all over the globe, you know, sucking Greg Allman's dick and just wasn't there.
You know, who wasn't there, man?
How many psychic, I don't know either, but when I'm hearing this story, the kid wants cheeseburgers and she's a little kid and she's fat, you know, and her mom screamed at her, you can't have cheeseburgers.
unidentified
There's a certain rebellion, you know, my kid needed.
joe rogan
It's a glamour icon and your mom is this fucking really famous sexy woman and you're this little blob and you're trying to sneak in cheeseburgers and your mom's screaming at you and you're hating your life and you wish you were a dude.
Maybe that's it.
brian redban
We're going deep with the Chaz Bona.
Joe Rogan is the place to find Chaz Bonnie.
bryan callen
That's got to be hard.
That's one of the interesting things.
We were talking about that on my podcast, Brian Callendar, everybody.
joe rogan
Thank God you named it that too.
The Brian Callende.
bryan callen
That was your thing.
By the way, we got Joe Carnahan, I'm hoping, who is the writer-director of Smoking Aces in the Gray, and A-Team.
And he's going to be on my podcast.
We're going to lay it down this week.
joe rogan
Don't mention A-Team, though.
Next time we get out.
unidentified
It's not good.
bryan callen
I didn't see it.
He's a good friend, and I love him.
And he's a great friend.
joe rogan
Rampage is good.
bryan callen
He's a great friend.
joe rogan
Rampage is good.
brian redban
You want a toothpick?
unidentified
No.
brian redban
You see that Drive movie, right?
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
Yeah, we were talking about Drive.
Brian had a whole bunch of hilarious tweets about how bad Drive is.
bryan callen
Dude, I was like, are you kidding me?
You're going to end it this way?
And what was all the hype?
brian redban
That number.
bryan callen
And I thought about how boring it would be to shoot it.
Like, Ryan Gosling, all he was doing was just standing.
I mean, I love the guy's an actor, but what a bore to do.
To actually be an actor and sit around a cool.
joe rogan
You know what it is, man?
Here's what it is.
Most people don't know anybody cool.
And so they love someone just to pretend to be cool.
And they see cool being pretended.
Like, maybe that's what Cool's like.
bryan callen
Yeah.
brian redban
He's cool.
jimmy burke
It's covered with personification of cool.
joe rogan
I mean, that's flattered in blood.
brian redban
Yeah, he's going to restaurants with people in an actor.
Yeah, and that was the elevator where they lived.
And like, what?
They just forgot about that?
unidentified
There's like a dead body just smashed in there.
bryan callen
That's a bad movie, man.
brian redban
That movie sucks.
First 10 minutes was good.
unidentified
If you see the first 10 minutes, right after the action movie, you go, okay, this is a crazy movie.
joe rogan
What I did.
Race car driver.
Because I have always thought about that.
Like a lot of people, like, you know, we're cops.
Most cops don't know how to fucking drive.
You know, you get some crazy Mario Andretti motherfucker behind a Nissan GTR.
Good luck, copper.
Find that guy.
You better have a helicopter.
You know, you better have a helicopter and block those streets off in advance because you're not going to catch that guy.
bryan callen
You're not going to catch that guy.
joe rogan
Yeah, a guy who really knows how to drive can drive so much faster than a guy who doesn't know how to drive.
brian redban
And what's up with the, like, like, I almost played the game Drive Today with my girlfriend, like, where we talk to each other and then we just wait 30 seconds until we monally respond.
Like, what was up with that?
joe rogan
You mean monotone?
unidentified
Yeah.
brian redban
Like, what was up with that?
Like, the dialogue.
joe rogan
Like, it was they were trying to do something cool.
unidentified
You know what I mean?
bryan callen
I know, but for an actor, for an actor, it's like, hey, dude, you're going to spend three months shooting a movie.
And by the way, you have six lines.
Most of it's going to be you standing.
Think about the shots in that movie and what that would be.
joe rogan
Well, I've got a life.
It was an interesting choice because I think the guy was supposed to be autistic.
There was something, obviously.
There was a disconnect.
Fuck yeah.
That's why he was such a good driver.
Look, I think there's a lot of people undiagnosed, mildly autistic, Asperger, Spectrum.
There's a lot of people that are brilliant at something.
I've met fighters that are like that.
You know, where they have this weird way of talking.
Yeah, and they also, they don't get all wired up about stuff.
They're like real monotone about shit.
And then they go out there and fucking throw down.
bryan callen
On sports science, on sports science, they hooked up a lot of the really famous athletes to like in really high-pressure situations, like in games.
And they found that their heart rate stays exactly the same.
A lot of it's just this natural ability to stay calm under fire.
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah.
They become dead.
They become like not there.
bryan callen
And that's why whenever they ask like a physical genius to explain what was going on in your head during the game, they're really, they never can explain it.
They can never like, they just say, well, we're just trying to get the ball in the end zone.
And I just might be able to get it.
joe rogan
But when you're in the zone, man, I don't think there's the training has to be there.
The actual work has to be done beforehand.
But when you're actually performing, you get to that Zen state where you're on autopilot.
bryan callen
Something else takes over.
joe rogan
Yeah.
And that's one of the reasons why these dudes that are like these deadpan sort of dudes, they're not so concerned about their ego.
They're not concerned about everybody loving them and putting on a show.
bryan callen
I love gossling.
I love watching that guy.
unidentified
He's eminently washable.
joe rogan
This is why he behaved that way.
It was a psychological choice.
And there are people like that.
So I got that, but I just thought the movie sucked.
brian redban
There was like no cops in this city.
You could just murder people in the middle of the daylight.
This is Los Angeles where there's a million people in the parking lots of all the parking lots.
joe rogan
There was a couple of good chase scenes.
The chase scene when they went to that one place and the guy got shot and he's in the getaway car and they realized he got set up.
It was kind of interesting.
That was kind of interesting.
But there was so much dead stuff in between it.
The guy who got out of jail and you're like, what?
And the poor little kid and his dad's a loser.
His dad's going to get killed, obviously.
And he got all beat up in front of his kid.
Just stop hanging out with that girl.
bryan callen
Do you have a favorite movie?
joe rogan
No.
brian redban
And was that Jewish Mafia?
Do we have to be worried about the Jewish Mafia?
joe rogan
Jewish mafia.
brian redban
Yeah.
Is that what this movie was about?
jimmy burke
It was always trying to make Jewish movies.
joe rogan
For the history of the organized crime, there have always been Jewish people that have been involved from Meyer Lansky, who was one of the original gangsters, because he's a smart guy and he wanted to make a lot of money.
Jews have a long history in organized crime.
brian redban
That's what it seemed like, though.
It seemed like that it was like a West Coast Jewish crime.
joe rogan
You know, Ari Shafir's dad went to jail for like fucking four years.
You know that, right?
No, yeah.
Jews do crime.
jimmy burke
Oh, yeah.
brian redban
No, I'm not saying they don't do crime.
I just didn't know that there was like the West Coast Jewish mafia versus the East Coast Italian mafia.
Is that how it is?
joe rogan
Yeah, it was kind of funny.
They call me a kite.
Oh, come on.
You went there.
You cliched douchebag.
Who wrote that?
brian redban
And by the way, Jim, how dare you?
I forgot.
This is the first, I think this is the first time that if you have a PlayStation, you can now go into a virtual world and watch this podcast right now in movie theater number three.
They're just airing our podcast in PlayStation Home on PlayStation Network.
joe rogan
That's fucking badass.
brian redban
So all our virtual people.
joe rogan
So if you're in PlayStation right now, it's probably a few people right now that have already found it.
brian redban
Yeah.
I'm going to start going hanging out in there.
And if you can find me, Dance For Me.
joe rogan
Dance For Me?
You can dance in PlayStation.
brian redban
Oh, you can dance.
You can do everything.
It's a virtual world.
It's pretty sweet.
joe rogan
What is it?
brian redban
It's like Warcraft.
It's called PlayStation Home, which comes free on all PlayStations.
And you pretty much go into this virtual world where you can hang out.
It's like a chat room.
joe rogan
It's a virtual world.
brian redban
You can do things like it, like, you know, like bending over in front of a girl to tie your shoe.
And you just jump up and down.
No, I don't think you can do all this space.
Yeah.
No.
bryan callen
Fucking Jimmy one time.
brian redban
You have your own apartment.
You can decorate your own apartment.
And you can have people come back to your house.
And then it's fucking badass.
bryan callen
Jimmy ran with the bulls in Palmalona one time, you know, with a big blonde red wig on him.
And he's got my grandmother, my mother, and my sister in the apartment.
He's like, I want to show you guys.
I want to show you.
We're in his apartment.
He goes, you guys don't see my videotape of me running with the bulls.
We're all like, no, no, let's watch it.
He goes, dude, the bull came at me.
I had to make a shuck right and then left and the bull fell down, which is really true, actually.
The bull cornered him and he shucked this way and he's got this huge wig.
It's hilarious.
He goes, you got it.
And he's telling the story.
He goes, well, I'll go back to my apartment and watch it right now.
So my grandmother, my mother, my sister, and myself, we're all like, we're all huddled around the TV.
And he goes, this is great.
He takes this tape, puts it in.
This is when they're at VHS.
He puts it in.
And he just pushes play.
And we're all like looking all of a sudden, just on the fucking screen.
And this cock is just ramming, ramming.
This huge black cock is just killing this poor girl.
And we all go, what the fuck is this?
And he goes, oh, I'm sorry, guys.
That's another tape that I'll show you later.
unidentified
Hold on.
bryan callen
My mother, my grandmother are like, screaming like that.
Of course they were laughing.
jimmy burke
They were laughing the hardest.
unidentified
They loved it.
bryan callen
I was like, dude, you just showed my fucking grandmother, my mother, the most fucking launching porn, acting like, and he acted like it was a mistake and stuff.
joe rogan
You're completely removed from the digital experience, aren't you?
You're not online.
bryan callen
He doesn't have any other shit.
joe rogan
You don't get online?
You don't Google things?
You don't get on the internet?
jimmy burke
Oh, no, no, no, of course I do.
No, no, no.
I have a computer that Brian gave me about 10 years ago.
I have a Mac.
joe rogan
You have a 10-year-old Mac?
jimmy burke
I have a 10-year-old Mac.
It's dial-up.
joe rogan
You have dial-up.
jimmy burke
It's dial-up.
Wow.
It's slow, but I'll be honest with you.
I use it for email.
I use it for research.
joe rogan
Research?
jimmy burke
Yeah.
joe rogan
What are you researching?
jimmy burke
Researching subjects.
TED.
joe rogan
And you don't.
You watch TED on a 56K modem with a 10-year-old Mac.
jimmy burke
It's horrible.
brian redban
Come on.
jimmy burke
Why don't you call the computer?
Well, because I live in a world where you have to make choices about do you want to pay your rent this month or do you want to have a new computer or hopefully somebody will get you one.
joe rogan
You say waiting for her.
But you've kind of chosen to live in this world.
You don't live in this world because you're in Somalia.
jimmy burke
No, no, no, not at all.
unidentified
You don't have any shoes.
No, I'm very happy with...
jimmy burke
I love it.
I get what I need to do.
joe rogan
You're such a strange guy.
jimmy burke
I also read a lot.
unidentified
I don't get all my vote.
joe rogan
What is the philosophy behind this minimalist approach to life?
jimmy burke
You know, I never even thought about it being minimalist.
unidentified
Yeah.
As Brian once said in asthete, I had to go and look that up because I didn't know what it was.
joe rogan
Do you think it has anything to do with the fact that you've been knocked the fuck out about 100 times?
unidentified
You know what?
jimmy burke
After my sixth concussion, my sixth concussion.
joe rogan
How long ago was this?
jimmy burke
That was only about six, seven years ago.
Touch tackle league on the east side.
joe rogan
You were playing touch tackle even after all those times you got knocked out?
jimmy burke
Oh, yeah.
bryan callen
Oh, yeah.
jimmy burke
You got knocked out with my dad on the sideline going, he's staying at.
Get him the fuck out of the game right now.
You just had a concussion.
bryan callen
I saw firsthand with you, and I saw this because they thought you were going to die.
They thought you had lung cancer, remember?
Right.
And it was serious.
And I was like, this is my best friend.
I was like, you're going to fucking die.
They thought he had either lung cancer or the disease that kills firemen.
jimmy burke
Sarcardosis.
bryan callen
Sarcodosis.
joe rogan
I have a buddy who has sarcosis.
unidentified
Okay.
bryan callen
So that you die from that.
I hope your body died.
joe rogan
Well, you take prednisone.
bryan callen
It's a very serious.
And they don't know how to cure it.
And so those are the options for Jim at one point.
And he was in the hospital.
And what was amazing to me was I was like, I go, you seem so un you just don't seem worried and you don't even seem stressed.
I know you better than anybody.
And you're just exactly like you always are.
And he said, he said, dude, I've made peace with my death a long time ago.
He's like, you really, I saw that firsthand.
I didn't see you miss even a beat.
It was the crazy thing.
joe rogan
Let me tell you something.
jimmy burke
I still don't want to die.
joe rogan
This is what Brian and I always say about you.
Brian and I always talk about how hilarious you are, how funny you are, how what a great entertainer you are.
You're always peripherally involved in show business, but yet you choose to stay in New York and not have a cell phone and ride your bike around and not get into the hunt and not act.
But when you say things like, you know, I live in a world where I have to choose between eating or getting a new computer.
You don't have to do that.
You could have easily come out here and done a lot of shit.
You're a character, man.
You know, like my friend Joey Diaz, another character was just doing great.
He always does great.
It's because you see him and you go, I got to put this guy somewhere.
I got to do something with this guy.
That's you.
You could do, you still to this day.
jimmy burke
It might happen.
It might be sooner than you think.
joe rogan
Why don't you do it?
bryan callen
You know, he loves New York and he loves New York.
jimmy burke
I'm sorry, Baba.
joe rogan
Do you like New York?
Do you like Louis?
jimmy burke
I have to be honest with you.
I'm a born-and-bred New Yorker and I'm totally fucking in love with New York.
I love New York.
My family's there.
joe rogan
What do you love about New York?
jimmy burke
I love my lifestyle.
I love that I get on my bike, that every day I'm doing something that I love to do.
I'm a personal trainer.
I train people in the morning.
I love it.
I have clients.
I had one client for 19 years and one client for 18 years.
So I have long-standing relationships with these people.
bryan callen
I've never seen you walk down the streets of New York without knowing everybody, including cops.
jimmy burke
Yeah, and I was involved in bars.
My dad owned bars.
You know, it's the New York milieu.
bryan callen
It's your village.
jimmy burke
It's my village.
It really is.
I have so many circles, not to sound like a dick, but I have so many circles.
I remember somebody, I think it was you who pointed this out to me.
He goes, you have so many circles, not concentric circles, but overlapping circles.
joe rogan
How come you've never done stand-up?
jimmy burke
Oh, dude.
bryan callen
Tell them about the Boohoo Hammerham, please.
This is a great thing.
joe rogan
Hold on, answer the question.
Why have you never done stand-up?
jimmy burke
Because I never thought of myself as a stand-up.
joe rogan
But you're a hilarious dude.
jimmy burke
Thank you.
joe rogan
You always have stories.
I mean, how could you, I don't understand that.
jimmy burke
Because I think I'm a Shanaki.
And a Shanekee?
unidentified
Shanaki?
What does that mean?
jimmy burke
Shanaki is...
It's an Irish storyteller, Shanaki.
unidentified
S-E-A-N-C-H-A-I.
jimmy burke
Shanaky.
bryan callen
Can you tell Joe about the standard?
brian redban
That's gambling.
joe rogan
How the fuck you get Shanakya?
bryan callen
Is that a shanchie?
Can you tell Joe about the Boohoo Hammerhead story?
joe rogan
You can't be talking over each other this much.
What are you saying?
brian redban
What was it?
Goat Magic that was his name he was using, talking about the other day?
joe rogan
Oh, Fox Magic.
brian redban
Fox Magic.
It seems like it's the same thing.
joe rogan
So what happened?
Some story, Boohoo Hammerhead.
jimmy burke
Oh, Boohoo Hammerhead, right.
It's a Sunday, it's a Sunday afternoon.
I met my girlfriend at the time.
This is six, seven years ago.
And my old girlfriend, Shannon.
And I'm watching the giant game, and phone rings, and Adam Roth comes on.
And Adam Roth is performing down at Orleans Grocery that evening.
Adam Roth.
He's a guitarist.
He was with the Del Fuegos.
He's an amazing, amazing musician, a funny fucking dude.
joe rogan
Boston, Massachusetts, Don't Went Wild.
jimmy burke
Thank you, Bubba.
unidentified
Exactly.
jimmy burke
Thank you, Bubba.
So he says, Jimmy, listen, we're going up tonight.
joe rogan
Oh, baby, what's going wrong?
jimmy burke
Thank you.
unidentified
We don't laugh on the phone like we used to.
jimmy burke
You got a good voice, dude.
joe rogan
No, not really.
jimmy burke
Accent's pretty good.
I like that.
unidentified
Sorry.
jimmy burke
Sometimes you got to say that.
That's showing a trick, Joe.
So I am.
He's got a nice voice.
You have a nice voice.
You know what you have?
You have good range.
joe rogan
More chastity.
jimmy burke
Yeah, where were chastity?
So Adam Roth calls me.
So Adam Roth calls me.
So Adam Roth calls me and he says, So we're performing tonight, and in between sets, we usually have about 15 minutes.
He goes, we just came to the point.
joe rogan
Oh, I remember this story.
jimmy burke
Yeah.
With this funny thought of maybe you coming down and doing stand-up in between sets and really sucking and really bombing.
And I started laughing.
unidentified
I went, oh my God, that's the fucking, it's like he gave me the magic pill.
jimmy burke
I went, are you serious?
So he goes, yeah.
I go, that's perfect.
I said, I just get to go down there and beef and bomb.
Okay.
joe rogan
On purpose.
jimmy burke
On purpose.
Bomb on purpose.
joe rogan
Be the worst comedian ever.
jimmy burke
Exactly.
unidentified
It's a great story.
And so I want, so there's no pressure.
jimmy burke
There's actually pressure to bomb.
joe rogan
Yeah.
jimmy burke
Okay.
Because I am so naturally actually handsome and effortless and eboolean.
joe rogan
Less is more.
jimmy burke
Thank you.
And so I immediately put down the phone and go, great.
And I go, done.
I'll be down there.
I call up Brian.
I said, BB, I'll call him BB.
I go, BB, you're never going to guess.
I tell him, he goes, oh my God.
He goes, let me give you.
He goes, let me give you.
He goes, oh, that's funny, Jimmy.
Let me give you some lines.
So he gives me, just do topical humor.
Just do observational humor.
bryan callen
Bad jokes from the bottom.
jimmy burke
Yeah, bad airplane jokes and beds.
You know, just bad shit.
bryan callen
What's the deal with the airplanes?
unidentified
Yeah.
bryan callen
But I had you do, you did some of that, my, my material, like the gay stuff.
jimmy burke
Yes, yes, I did.
And that was funny, and that worked, and I did it really well because I was just stealing back what he had taken from me.
Anyway, you're welcome, Bubba.
Thank you, Bubba.
Thank you, Bubba.
So, because I did point that out to you, by the way, how gay men point.
Okay.
joe rogan
Stole some of his stuff?
bryan callen
I steal all of his stuff.
jimmy burke
So it's given to him with love.
bryan callen
Thank you.
joe rogan
So you go on stage and you fucking bomb on purpose.
jimmy burke
Let me tell you what I did.
Let me tell you what I did.
What'd you do?
I said to my girlfriend at the time, I said, listen, you're going to go up and hopefully there'll be a table open up there, up near the front.
And I just want you to sit down because I want you to start to heckle me when I start to do my JFK Dallas portion of my recollection thing.
She goes, okay, okay.
I said, now I'm going to get kind of hard on you.
So she's my setup heckler.
Okay.
Because I know you guys all set up your hecklers.
I know that.
I know that.
I know you said that.
I just got accused of that, man.
We'll stop setting them up.
unidentified
So she goes down.
jimmy burke
And this is, can I give you a little bit of a question?
joe rogan
How about do this where I don't fall asleep?
jimmy burke
Okay, thank you.
You know, it's hard for me to give that.
So I go on.
I go on with a beer.
I start off.
You know, it's great to be down here in Greenwich Village, you know, with my gay brother.
And hey, you know how you get a gay guy to fuck a woman, right?
You know, you throw some shit in her cunt.
That's the first joke he comes to.
That's how I open up.
brian redban
That's hilarious.
bryan callen
And the whole place.
jimmy burke
And the place starts laughing.
And I go, oh, that's actually great.
Wow.
And then I start doing your jokes about gay men and how they point, blah, blah, blah.
And it's actually okay.
It's actually kind of working a little bit.
So then I go into my, you know, if you believe in Pavlov's theory, you know, the ringing of the bell for the dog and the dog starts to salivate.
I was thinking about the guy who back in 1962, 1963, was in his kitchen getting blowjob, a really hot, sexy blowjob.
And over the radio, his little transistor radio radio.
bryan callen
This is the joke he's telling.
jimmy burke
The little transistor radio.
Yeah, this is the bad joke.
This is supposed to be bad, guys, okay?
Because I'm supposed to bomb.
And he's getting blowjob.
And it comes over that Kennedy has been shot and killed.
JFK has been shot and killed.
And he blows his wad, okay?
Just as he hears that over the radio.
He's like, oh my God, the president's been fucking shot.
But he blows his wad.
So now he has that connected to a really good impulse in his brain.
bryan callen
That's his joke.
jimmy burke
No, no, no, no, no.
And every time someone says, so do you remember where you were when Kennedy was assassinated?
He gets a fucking heart on.
Okay.
Wow, sucks.
I start bombing.
It's horrible.
My girl who I set up.
bryan callen
And you had a beer and you're talking about her.
jimmy burke
Yeah, I just got a rehab.
It's stupid.
But my girl up front goes, that's not funny.
I go, what do you mean that's not funny?
She goes, I was a big JFK supporter and that's not funny.
All right, listen, sister.
All right.
Why don't you, and we get into it.
I start telling her, shut the fuck up.
And I took a lot of my stuff from what you did and how you try to get hecklers and how you fucking put them down.
And then I literally said, hey, do yourself a favor.
Go fucking throw some shit in your cunt and go outside and get laid.
joe rogan
All right.
jimmy burke
No, not you.
That's that.
That was my line.
That was my line.
But I know that you could, you rip them.
I know you rip them.
joe rogan
I try not to.
jimmy burke
Well, I think.
bryan callen
They stick the finger in their cage with you.
Yeah, I mean, I've seen it.
But you try to be fair, but if somebody's dumb and they fucking keep poking at you, it's crazy.
joe rogan
But you got to let them really dig their own hole first.
The most important thing is the audience has to want you to do something.
You can't just go after them.
So when you went after like overreacted, the audience will fucking hate you.
unidentified
Oh, yes.
joe rogan
And I wanted to get away with the wildest shit.
jimmy burke
They hated me.
Dude, it was at the end.
There was not a sound.
There was not a sound.
bryan callen
People were recording.
jimmy burke
Recording.
I wish you had, man.
joe rogan
I don't have a cell phone.
jimmy burke
Five minutes set.
Five minutes set.
joe rogan
Five minutes.
jimmy burke
Five minutes.
And it was real quick, real quick.
I got a couple laughs.
I started doing dead shit.
Exactly.
I started.
joe rogan
I would have done the whole set, and it would have been like half that.
jimmy burke
Exactly.
You know what?
I wrote it down and I still have it.
bryan callen
Really?
joe rogan
You wrote down the set list?
jimmy burke
I wrote down the set because I've never fucking done standards.
joe rogan
Well, if you were on Slipper, I would say once you put that online, it would be fun for people to look at, but you're removed from the cultural experience with your 56k modem.
jimmy burke
Exactly.
You'll have to come over to the future.
joe rogan
Fucking coal-fired computer.
Have you guys heard about this thing where JFK's mistress just finally released a book?
She's 69 years old and a grandmother now.
She was a 19-year-old virgin when she met him, and he fucked her.
He took her virginity.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
Yeah.
He made her suck one of the other senators' cocks in front of her.
Wow.
Yeah.
Yeah.
He said to her, yeah, he's looking really tense.
Why don't you go over there and take care of him?
And JFK watched while she sucked this other guy's dick.
And JFK tried to get her to suck his brother's dick.
Tried to get her to suck Teddy's dick, but she wouldn't do it.
That's where she drew the line.
brian redban
An 89-year-old woman is writing this.
69.
joe rogan
69-year-old.
It's fucking fascinating, man.
She didn't say suck his dick.
She said performed oral suckers.
bryan callen
Those guys were so decadent.
You could get away with it because the press wouldn't expose you back then.
joe rogan
Well, not only that, I mean, there was no access.
People didn't have access to the press.
It wasn't the way it is today where you could just get on fucking Facebook and you go, I just fucked the president.
I mean, even the Lewinsky thing, like, they were operating on an old model.
They hadn't realized that now people were more salacious.
They wanted more gossip.
They wanted more.
And you were right.
They wouldn't have said that story in the 1960s.
The press would have had respect.
Yeah.
And they would have, you know.
bryan callen
You were protected.
joe rogan
Yeah, you were protected.
There was a proto-sacred, there was a sacred trust, you know, and now there's none of that, of course.
Now we love it when people.
bryan callen
Well, if you ever, if you ever, it's fascinating because you could control the sources of media because they weren't everywhere.
And so what would happen was like LBJ, Linda Mee Johnson during the Vietnam War, he would, you can, in his tapes, you can hear him talking to the editors of these big newspapers and just saying, can you do me a favor?
Can you please delay publication of that story?
Because I'm trying to do some sensitive work here in Vietnam and you'll expose some soldiers and the name.
And it's amazing how he charmed these guys into delaying a story.
You could never do that, did he?
joe rogan
Well, look at this whole WikiLeaks thing.
That's the argument behind all that.
The argument behind the WikiLeaks thing is this guy, you're saying he's not a journalist.
Well, I'm saying he's the only one that's a fucking journalist.
Because all these other assholes wouldn't have released it.
If you gave that information to the New York Times, you gave the New York Times the video of that fucking Apache helicopter gunning down those people in the street and making light of the fact that they brought their kids.
Shit, they brought their kids.
bryan callen
Into a battle.
unidentified
That would have never been fucking revealed.
joe rogan
They would have stepped back and they would have looked at their corporate interest and looked at the access they have to sensitive information.
bryan callen
There's also a law, there was a law passed, and I believe it was World War II, it might have been World War I, where you're not allowed to post pictures, gory pictures of what really happens to soldiers.
Because the truth is, when you get shot with big caliber guns, you come apart.
You don't have holes.
You come apart.
And one of the things that was the law, I believe it was a little bit, I believe it's a law, I don't remember exactly.
But you cannot do that because it's bad for morale.
It's bad for soldier morale.
And there are a lot of, it's very controversial because there are a lot of journalists who say, well, that is war.
And as long as you keep it that removed and that abstract, you're not going to have people in the street talking.
And the truth should be out there.
But at the same time, there is something to be said about keeping things.
I don't want, if my loved one gets blown to fucking smithereens, I don't want his remains all over a newspaper.
joe rogan
Yeah, but that's not the solution.
The solution is don't have your loved one get blown to smithereens.
Don't have them go over in a fucking crazy war that makes no sense.
Like I said, the Bush administration got so fucked up, they wouldn't even let them take photos of coffins.
It become a crime to take photographs of American flag-draped coffins.
That's complete and total insanity.
But that WikiLeaks revelation, when people saw that gun footage, what was it called?
Something murder or something?
What did they call it?
They released it under an actual name.
Oh, collateral murder.
That's what they called it.
I think it was on collateralmurder.com.
bryan callen
It's collateral damage.
joe rogan
No, it was collateral murder.
Collateral murder.
Absolutely.
bryan callen
Which was what?
Which was what?
What is collateral murder?
joe rogan
Well, the video.
That video.
The gun shit shooting two of those people.
bryan callen
That's so fucking mad.
joe rogan
Horrifying.
I mean, and when the guy says they've got kids, kids, and then he goes, well, they shot schools.
He says after they shot 50 caliber fucking.
bryan callen
It's their fault to bring kids into a battle.
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
It's so hard to hear American soldiers that are that fucking hardened by it all and removed and callous to the idea that they're, you know, they're.
bryan callen
Well, they're looking at, you know, a lot of those guys, if they were insurgents and they had the intelligence that said they were and they just pulled off whatever they pulled off, you get, you do, you get angry.
Yeah.
joe rogan
Of course.
I mean, it's, it's just, I mean, war is hell, but it's like people were so, it was so filtered by the time it got to America, you know, through the mass media.
It's so filtered.
What you see on television as opposed to what is actually going on, boy, it's a whisper of a fucking, of a nuclear explosion.
It's like, boom.
You know, that's what you're getting.
You're getting somewhere on the other side of the world.
And your remote civilization is being vaporized.
jimmy burke
Great analogy, though.
That's what it's like.
That's great imagery right there.
Seriously.
joe rogan
It's really completely ridiculous that we allow it.
I mean, that's the only reason why we tolerate war in the first place, because we're completely removed from the effects of it.
As long as it's going on in some strange place where people are fucking donkeys in their spare time.
bryan callen
With the exception of the Civil War in this country, that is the American experience with war.
You know, 440,000 people were killed in World War II, and that's a lot, a lot of soldiers.
But it was still done in another place.
And if you were a European, that happened on your doorstep.
That happened in your city.
That happened.
You looked around in 1945, and old Europe was essentially reduced to rubble.
joe rogan
Well, that's why the Germans got really into shit porn.
For real?
Why do you think shit porn comes out of Germany?
Why some shit?
bryan callen
Because they're such a repressive society.
joe rogan
And because they were humiliated, and because they were Nazis, and because they watched their fucking family members get gunned down, and everybody just blew fuses left and right and started eating shit.
bryan callen
Yeah, I don't know.
joe rogan
I think it has to do with it.
The best shit porn comes from Japan and Germany.
Coincidence?
bryan callen
Those are also.
But those are also very, very repressive societies in a lot of ways.
unidentified
Sure.
joe rogan
That's also one of the reasons why there were warrior cultures.
That's the best way to control people.
Who's more suppressed than North Korea?
You know, North Korea right now, they have a fucking moratorium on using a cell phone for like 100 days because of the deer leader died.
You know, if you go to jail for six months if you get caught using a cell phone.
bryan callen
Yeah, it's great.
jimmy burke
How about those pictures of them crying?
unidentified
Weeping.
jimmy burke
Crying, weeping.
joe rogan
People who weren't crying got sent to labor camps.
unidentified
Yeah.
jimmy burke
Well, you get picked to live in Pyongy.
You get picked to live there.
brian redban
Judge Fukushimi or whatever the reactor.
Today they said that it's gone up 26.7 degrees Celsius.
It went from 164 degrees Fahrenheit to the top.
joe rogan
To Today?
brian redban
Yeah, it's been staying steady at 113, and then out of nowhere today, it just went to 164.
joe rogan
You know, I've talked to people, I've talked, well, when we talked to Shane, Shane Smith from Vice.com, who was telling us how it's so much worse than the Japanese government is letting on, how he was over there.
And, you know, the people that radiated food in Tokyo and people are getting what we Brian and I are going.
We're going in a couple of weeks.
Yeah, I'm terrified.
I'm a little nervous.
I mean, I know it's nowhere near Fukushima, but it's close enough that it's fucking scary.
And it's also still volatile.
The aftershocks are still going on from the earthquake that caused that tsunami.
That's scary.
And no one can say that one's not going to happen while we're over there.
We're essentially playing musical chairs.
brian redban
Seriously.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's crazy.
But the government apparently is not being honest about the amount of radiation that people are being exposed to.
And you know why?
It's because they want to keep the economy moving.
Chao Sunnam was telling me that his buddy Yushinokami, who lives in Japan, they're bringing Geiger counters and they're testing their food.
And the food is fucking registering in supermarkets and places where it's radiated.
bryan callen
Unbelievable.
joe rogan
It's terrifying.
I mean, what they've essentially done is they've created a sun that you can't put out and it's in a field and there's nothing you can do about it.
And there it is.
bryan callen
And you can't put that out.
joe rogan
You can't put it out.
Not only can you not put it out, you can't contain it anymore.
If you throw cyclon, it's a complete meltdown.
So it's gone through its containment area and it's essentially going into the earth.
And by the way, there's no way you can stop it and it will be that way for the next 100,000 years at least.
For as long as there have been people that have been wearing clothes.
How about that?
Think about that.
Think about furs.
Think about 100,000 years ago, people were wearing animal skins that they stitched together and called clothes.
And that was a fairly new invention.
That's 100,000 years ago.
So 100,000 years from now, we're not even going to be this.
We're going to be integrated into some fucking computer hive.
And this spot will still suck.
This spot will, we're going to have to somehow or another figure out a way to warn future civilizations if there's a mass die-off.
Because if something happens to us, whether it's disease or shifting of the polar ice caps or a fucking meteor or human stupidity, and we kill a bunch of people with a fucking crazy virus that someone develops, like have you heard of this fucking crazy flu virus?
They developed a prototype flu virus to see if it was possible to do, and it's fucking unbelievably deadly.
And they said that if it got out, it would kill half the population.
Literally kill half the people that caught it.
50% of the people that catch it, they made it in a lab.
Something like that can get out.
jimmy burke
Gore Vidal wrote about this in a book called Kalki 31 years ago.
And it was a mind-altering book for me.
unidentified
Gore Vidal, one of my favorite writers, Kalki, read about it.
It's about biowarfare and what it does to the world.
joe rogan
It's absolutely real.
And unfortunately, for the same reason why nuclear bombs were created, human beings, when they get involved in any sort of a science, any sort of a discipline, you will want to push that discipline to its highest levels.
And if you're creating new things, whether it's new nuclear programs and power and fuel sources and propulsion systems, you're eventually going to come up with the ultimate weapon.
And do you not?
And someone else does?
No, it moves forward.
Technology moves forward.
It has an ethic and it has a mind of its own.
It almost does.
And essentially that exists in biowarfare as well.
If you are a scientist and your specialty is, you know, retroviruses or creating things or manipulating viruses or creating vaccines, and somehow or another you get into the grips of the federal government and the war machine and they say, listen, is it possible?
Can you make like a super AIDS?
Is it possible that you can make some sort of a fucking chickenpox that makes your dick fall off?
That's crazy.
possible.
unidentified
I mean, they were really That's what it is.
joe rogan
They were actively pursuing the idea of a gay bomb for the Iraq war.
Did you know that?
jimmy burke
That's a fantastic guy.
joe rogan
The CIA was actively trying to figure out if it was possible for them to make a bomb that would cause men to be uncontrollably sexually attracted to each other.
And the idea was, you know, they looked at like ecstasy.
And you give people ecstasy and you're like, wow, look at this.
Everyone's all affectionate and loving.
What if we found out what makes you gay?
What if we found out the trigger?
We know what makes serotonin.
We know what makes dopamine.
We know if we give you MDMA, you have this massive surge of feel-good treatment protein.
What if there's something or another that we can figure out that makes your dick hard for men?
bryan callen
Would the objective be?
joe rogan
Humiliate the troops because they would fall uncontrollably in love with each other and they'd just start fucking in the battlefield.
The CIA actually tried to fuck the enemy.
bryan callen
And then you're really in treaty.
All those guys marching toward us with hard-ons.
No, no, it was closed guns.
No.
jimmy burke
It's called Operation Fabulous.
Operation Fabulous.
bryan callen
Exactly.
jimmy burke
That's true.
joe rogan
No, it wasn't called Operation Fabulous, but it was a real thing.
They really were trying to come up with a fucking game on it.
jimmy burke
Oh, yeah.
unidentified
Isn't that amazing?
jimmy burke
I read that, Bubba.
joe rogan
There's so many creeps out there that are pushing buttons.
I know.
There's so many fucking sociopaths with pocket protectors that are going, can we do that?
Can we do that?
Let's try to do that.
Let's contain that.
Contain that and try to do that.
bryan callen
I sit around trying to figure out ways to make people funny.
Some people figure out ways to kill people.
joe rogan
Well, Oppenheimer, man, it was almost impossible to not create the bomb because the real threat was what if the enemy gets it from it?
bryan callen
What if Germany gets it?
joe rogan
So if you have the technology, if you have the capabilities, you have to do it.
But that's, you know, I mean.
bryan callen
Oppenheimer, there's a famous, I guess, video I'm seeing of him crying or, you know, just kind of overcome with emotion over what he told me.
joe rogan
Well, he quoted the Bhagavad Gita as they blew up the first nuclear bomb.
I am become death, destroyer of worlds.
And they're like, what the fuck are you saying?
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
He quoted the ancient hidden series.
Oh, there's a video of him.
Pull that up, Brian.
Pull that up because it's really fascinating to hear him talk about it.
When you hear actually Oppenheimer, you hear him say it in his own words.
He quotes it, and you can feel that you could feel the responsibility of a man who's directly responsible for killing half a million people.
bryan callen
Yet at the same time, it also ended the war.
And I'll tell you something else.
My buddy, a friend of my family's, Larry Small, on his desk, he was the president of the Smithsonian Museum.
On his desk, he had the Enola Gay, which was the bomb, the plane that dropped the bomb on Nagasaki and Hiroshima.
It's called the Enola Gay now.
It dropped Fat Boy and Little Boy, right?
Colonel Tibbetts.
Colonel Tibbetts was the people came in and they said, How can you have a weapon of destruction like that, something that killed that many people that quickly?
And he said, Well, if you notice, there's also a red bonnet around it.
And they said, What's the red bonnet?
He said, Well, that red bonnet actually, that belonged to a little child who had rickets because she couldn't get enough calcium and she was dying.
But after that bomb was dropped, four days later, the intern, the concentration camp that she was kept in was liberated because she was a little girl.
And that little girl ended up being my wife, who then gave me children.
So I actually like this fucking plane because it saved my wife's life, and I have two beautiful children.
joe rogan
That's a beautiful way to look at it.
But by the way, there's a large argument among historians where they believe that Japan had been trying to quit and concede victory for two weeks before we dropped the bombs.
That is why we wanted to drop those bombs anyway.
bryan callen
And there's just as much and more evidence on the other side that suggests that Japan was not going to quit, and in fact, it was going to cost up to 2 million American lives to storm Japan.
And I say fuck them, and I'm sorry.
And I get very emotional about this because Japan started that fucking war, and they were so horrific during the day.
joe rogan
Well, you hold on, hold on, though.
Starting with Japanese.
You also know that they were goaded into attacking Pearl Harbor.
And in fact, we knew they were defending Pharaoh.
bryan callen
We don't know Pearl Harbor, and I disagree with that.
joe rogan
The fucking History Channel, they had professors from three different universities that were standing up there talking about how they had decoded all this information.
They knew Japan was going to, that's why they pulled out these battleships.
bryan callen
Know the theory very well.
joe rogan
But they've proven that they pulled out critical battleships because they couldn't afford to lose them.
bryan callen
That is not true.
It's not true.
No, and it's professors who say that are simply, are simply theorizing.
And if you listen to the, I've been listening to this argument for 25 years.
If you actually look at the current literature, my father just read a book about this, had a long talk with him.
You look at the current literature, that theory has simply been debunked.
There is no way the United States lost a quarter of our navy, a quarter of the Navy was crippled because of that aggression.
Now, there was a lot of internal debate in Japan about whether or not to go to war.
But the fact of the matter is that Japan not only started that war back, talk to the Chinese about what Japan, that they've never still never apologized for.
They've never apologized for anything they did in World War II to this day.
And that's what Japan has never lived up to.
And they should be ashamed of themselves because their behavior in World War II was not only just aggressive, it was inhuman, and they've never taken responsibility for it.
Well, first of all, they were lower.
joe rogan
Hold on, you're talking about them like they're one person.
They're the same person today.
I'm indicting you, of course.
You're going crazy nationalism on me now.
bryan callen
No, no, no, I'm not being nationalistic.
joe rogan
You are a little bit.
Because you're saying they and they haven't taken responsibility.
They're not even the same humans.
bryan callen
They're not the same humans, but.
joe rogan
But you are right about the rape of Nam King.
I have that documentary.
It's fucking horrific.
Yeah, but it goes on.
bryan callen
It goes on.
But I'm mad at the Japanese government, not the Japanese people at all.
There's a lot to be respected about Japanese people.
joe rogan
They're saying fuck them.
And the people that got killed were civilians.
bryan callen
I'm talking about, I'm speaking as if I'm in 1945, and I'm saying that what ended that war was those two bombs.
Now, killing, vaporizing 100,000 people is a horrible thing.
It's a horrible thing.
But what I'm saying is that when you're a commander in a war like that, and you're Truman, and they come to you and they say, we can take that, we can take Japan, we can storm Japan, we'll probably lose a million American soldiers, or we can drop bombs on them.
That'll end the war tomorrow.
You say to your commanders, drop those bombs.
jimmy burke
You're also saving Japanese lives on the Japanese.
bryan callen
And Japan has to take responsibility for the people.
joe rogan
Maybe that happened, but it also might have happened that they wanted to fucking use these bombs.
And they wanted to let everybody know that even if Japan wanted to concede defeat, listen, bitch, we're going to try these shits on you because we made them.
And we want to let everybody know how we have them.
unidentified
I don't believe all this crazy take over the world nonsense any government or any administration.
joe rogan
But Brian does, and Brian takes the Fox News point of view on a lot of different things.
You do.
You do.
You get a little bit crazy.
And you don't concede that the government is capable of doing some horrific things.
But when you bring up things like Operation Northwoods and you know that they were going to kill American soldiers and blame it on the Cubans, that's absolutely factual.
bryan callen
I don't put anything past the U.S. government or any other government.
Right.
joe rogan
Okay, so then why would you think that they would be unwilling to drop bombs on somebody?
bryan callen
I think it's very hard to get away.
I think the way our government is structured, let me be very clear about this.
I don't trust our government.
I don't trust people in power, Americans or anybody else.
And I don't put anything past somebody in power.
joe rogan
So let me be clear.
Absolutely.
bryan callen
What I mean to say is whenever people say things like, for example, we wanted to drop the bomb, it's very hard.
It's very hard to win.
What happens the way our government is structured is you get into a war room with a lot of people, a lot of people who are civilians that military people have to answer to.
And there are about 25 different, and read Woodward's book called The War Room, A Bush at War.
Fascinating.
Because what happens in a war room is there are 25 opinions and everybody's buying for their, and they have intellectual debates the way all of us would.
They have their point of view and they talk about consequences.
And believe me, a lot of guys in there are going, there's a moral, there are moral points of view and everything else.
I don't want to kill a bunch of people.
So what happens is, finally, it gets whittled down to four or five arguments.
The president goes into a room and he has to choose.
But when you come into a room with a bunch of guys and you say, hey, I think we should drop this bomb because I want to see if it works.
joe rogan
It's not like that.
bryan callen
Yeah, it's not like that.
But I'm saying that those arguments are not.
joe rogan
You just really complexified the process of how to figure out what to do.
And then on the other side, you simplified it down to a ridiculous sort of a cartoonish.
bryan callen
I didn't mean to do it.
joe rogan
Let's see if it works.
bryan callen
I'm just trying to paraphrase.
joe rogan
But look at, man, look at the Gulf of Tonkin.
For sure, we know that they faked this attack in order to bring people in the Vietnam War.
bryan callen
Pentagon Payne.
joe rogan
For sure, we know that they knew that there was no weapons of mass destruction, and yet they brought us into Iraq.
For sure, we knew that the Operation Northwood, signed by the Joint Chiefs of Staff, was going to kill American civilians.
bryan callen
I agree.
joe rogan
They were going to kill American soldiers.
They were going to arm Cuban friendlies.
That's evil shit.
And no one ever went to jail for any of that stuff.
So, those are the same goddamn people that would have been responsible for all the other different things that could have been done.
bryan callen
I agree with you 100%.
All I'm trying to say is that all I'm trying to say is that I think it is.
joe rogan
So, you're saying that they did all this horrific shit, but they wouldn't do horrific shit.
bryan callen
No, no, no, no, no, I'm saying that.
What I'm saying is that maybe it's a factor, maybe it's wasteful.
It's one of the factors.
What I'm saying is that when you decide to drop a bomb on Nagasaki Shrimp, you do it for a laundry list of reasons.
joe rogan
Okay, I understand what you're saying.
I disagree.
And this is what I disagree with.
I think that you are saying that they would not consider doing that.
You are saying that they wouldn't do that.
It couldn't happen.
You're saying definitively.
He's saying definitively that it wouldn't happen because this is how the process goes.
I think you're dead wrong.
I don't think you know how the process goes.
And I think even reading books where Bob Woodward's describing the war room, I don't think you have a fucking clue as to how the process was going on in 1947.
I think it's massive amounts of speculation.
99% of the shit is classified.
And we know about a lot of fucking, even do the Freedom of Information Act.
I was reading up about the Pearl Harbor shit.
One of the reasons why they can't come up with a definitive reason or a definitive answer as to whether or not the government had prior knowledge is because of how many papers were classified.
bryan callen
But we dropped the bombs.
We dropped the bombs because it was going to end the war.
joe rogan
Maybe.
unidentified
Maybe.
bryan callen
That's that's the problem.
joe rogan
We might have dropped the bombs because the war might have been on its way out anyway, and we might have wanted to let them know what the fuck was up.
There might have been an excuse to use them.
It is possible that they wanted.
Look, they didn't drop them on military checkpoints.
They didn't drop them on the army.
They dropped them on two cities, Hiroshima and Nagasaki, which were military cities.
unidentified
Yeah, but they dropped them on the military infrastructure.
joe rogan
Well, sort of.
It's a city.
It's a city.
bryan callen
It was the worst war.
It was the most horrific war.
I mean, it was hell on earth.
joe rogan
Well, it was the first time we had.
bryan callen
Dresden looked like the surface of the moon.
joe rogan
It's the first time we know as far as that we had the capabilities to do something like that.
bryan callen
Look at the difference between Dresden before the Allied bombing.
It was conventional weapons, incendiary bombs, and then Tokyo before and after.
It is so horrific.
joe rogan
It's amazing that it was not that long ago.
That's the most incredible thing about World War II.
bryan callen
It was such a vicious war, and it was so ruthless on both sides.
But what I always just say is that the aggressors of that war were imperialist powers.
They were Japan and they were Germany.
And the objective, the sole objective was a group of men who had total control over their population, and their objective was world domination.
And that's the difference.
joe rogan
Imagine if they came through with it.
Imagine how different.
jimmy burke
I thought about it.
joe rogan
How fascinating would it be if there wasn't a United States and the United States was, let's get fucking crazy and decide that pilgrims never fucking came over here.
And so this is just a bunch of Indians running around here and no one even knows what's going on in Europe.
And that's not outside the realm of possibility.
Because when you look at the window of opportunity between the 19, look at from 1700 to 1947.
That ain't shit as far as the universe is concerned.
And when you're talking about the fact that Europe had massive works of art, had all this incredible shit that they had already accomplished, all this amazing architecture, this amazing fucking history and written history.
And there's people here running around with animal skins over their dicks, shooting arrows at deers at the same exact time.
It's amazing.
bryan callen
I know.
joe rogan
It's amazing.
And if no one had the balls to get in a boat and come over here, who knows?
I mean, there would have been a tiny spattering of population in 1947.
That's really possible.
It's crazy.
So what the fuck would have happened?
If Hitler was still there, and Mussolini was still there, and whoever the fuck was the emperor of Japan, if they all got together at the time, and they really did the same thing, and they took over the whole world over there.
bryan callen
But it was also a time, you know, when they talk about World War II, and they talk about...
He was a god.
jimmy burke
He was a god.
bryan callen
He was taking Amaratsu's.
jimmy burke
That was the first time they heard his voice.
The Japanese people had never heard his voice.
They stopped everywhere.
bryan callen
And he told the country to surrender.
joe rogan
Whoa.
bryan callen
And Japanese people, there's video of it.
Japanese people were jumping to their deaths as the Allies were coming in.
jimmy burke
The god was being piped in.
bryan callen
And by the way, to anybody who's listening who is Japanese and anybody who's, I am not putting anything past a government.
I'm not indicting the Japanese people today.
We're all people.
I'm not saying that.
I'm talking about governments, and I'm talking about men in power who still don't own up to responsibilities.
joe rogan
You're talking about the root of shit porn.
bryan callen
That's what I'm talking about.
joe rogan
That's what we're talking about.
Japanese and Germans.
That's where it's all coming from.
brian redban
We started a riot inside the PlayStation Theater, by the way.
joe rogan
We are watching the PlayStation Theater.
There's a bunch of people in there, and they're watching the podcast in the theater.
That is nuts.
brian redban
That is nuts, and it looks just like a movie.
joe rogan
Come over here and turn around real quick.
This is the strangest fucking shit ever.
Somebody took a screen capture of it.
brian redban
And it's the PlayStation Home Theater number three.
You can watch this live, and there's just people sitting there, like Blue Ball Monkey and a couple other people.
joe rogan
That's so bizarre.
brian redban
I love Sushi 30.
joe rogan
What a weird world we live in.
What gem you removed from the cultural experience?
unidentified
There it is.
joe rogan
You don't even connect it to this.
bryan callen
But what's relevant about what we're talking about is that during that time in the world, it was a time of great political experimentation.
It was this notion that you could perfect a human being with an ideology.
You could perfect a human being with totalitarianism, control over the total person, and re-education, reprogramming of someone's mind.
And so treating a human being as though they were a noun.
There's a blueprint or something.
Human beings are obviously verbs, right?
joe rogan
Have you ever read War is a Racket?
bryan callen
No.
joe rogan
War is a Racket by this guy from the, he retired from the Marine Corps.
He was a major general and Major General Smedley D. Butler, war hero.
And after he retired in 1935, he wrote a book about how he had been misled and all of his different campaigns have really just been about protecting bankers, protecting oil money.
And he didn't really realize it until it was too late, until it was over.
It's a fucking fascinating read.
Because if you read it and you didn't know like who this guy was or the time period that he's talking about, you would assume that this is a guy who recently defected from the army.
You would assume that this is like some kind of shit, like, you know, some Gulf War guy who came over.
There's a lot of soldiers who've come over.
There's a bunch of different organizations where they have soldiers for peace and, you know, they talk about their horrific experiences and they talk about how bad war is and how war is unnecessary.
You know, Pat Tillman, after he volunteered, That was one of the reasons why his family suspected that he was actually killed.
As he was getting very, very vocal about how fucked up the war was and how he had gone over there with perfect intentions.
But once he got over there, he realized this is a disastrous cluster fuck of epic proportions.
Nobody knows what the fuck they're doing, and we shouldn't be here in the first place.
And everybody knows it.
This Medley Butler article is, he wrote a book, actually.
It's a fucking fascinating.
jimmy burke
What was the year again on that?
joe rogan
1933, I believe.
Yeah, that's when he retired.
bryan callen
But that's the thing when you read history, you start to realize a lot of these, like you hear speeches like back in the 30s and 40s, and you go, man, that's just as relevant today as it would be back then.
joe rogan
But it's incredible that this guy had figured that 35 was when he wrote the book.
And he was talking about how the U.S. is engaging in military war games in the Pacific that are bound to provoke the Japanese.
He was talking about this in 1935.
They know what the fuck they're doing.
He wrote, war is a racket.
It's always been.
It's possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious.
It's the one of the only intentional in scope.
It is international in scope.
It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives.
unidentified
Dude, when you give myself, Brian, let me say one thing.
jimmy burke
If anybody's listening, the history of war is the history of man.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
jimmy burke
And that's its progress.
bryan callen
Yes, yes, but, but the way you avoid, the best way, it's not foolproof, but I believe the best way to try to avoid horrific things like World War II that killed millions of innocent Japanese, innocent Germans, innocent Americans,
so many people, so many innocent people, especially in Europe and especially, you know, but the way to avoid those horrific things is to have a political system in place that is transparent and gives people the power to make their own decisions.
joe rogan
Yeah, you know what that is?
The internet.
bryan callen
There you go.
joe rogan
That's the future.
bryan callen
There you go.
joe rogan
The internet is the future government.
jimmy burke
They try to legislate it.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's why they're trying to shut it down.
That's why they're trying to fucking put enforcements out.
When they take down mega upload, what they're doing is testing the waters.
They're trying to figure out how much.
bryan callen
Don't give anybody too much power over you, whether they're American, whether they're Japanese, whether they're not going to be able to do it.
joe rogan
Absolutely.
bryan callen
They're all going to behave the same way.
joe rogan
The big lesson is that the people you're saying yes to today may not be the people you're saying less to 10 or 20 years from now.
bryan callen
That's right.
joe rogan
So you put a law in place now, some Dick Cheney, evil, cunt-faced douchebag is going to be in control in a couple of years, then you're fucked because that law's there.
That's why this is the same thing.
bryan callen
And it goes back to what you were saying.
See, your cynicism about people in power is very healthy.
So when you say, I don't put it past anybody, that's actually the right attitude.
jimmy burke
Absolutely.
bryan callen
What is the attitude?
So it always goes back.
joe rogan
It goes back to history and evidence.
unidentified
Exactly.
bryan callen
And it goes back to the question that you have to answer.
Who governs the governor?
Who governs the governor?
Who?
The people.
It's got to be.
The only thing that I defend is when people come up with these theories, it's always more complicated.
And I think that people try to make decisions.
Most people try to make decisions based on their national interest, based on ambition.
But I think there are a lot of factors that go into, for example, the Arabic.
unidentified
What do you mean by most people making decisions?
bryan callen
Let's say the Iraq War.
joe rogan
The Iraq War was an election.
I think they do it to make money.
They think they're doing it all to make money.
bryan callen
But only the problem, the Army.
joe rogan
They're not doing any of that for the interest of the American people.
bryan callen
Well, can I say one thing?
But the architects of, say, the intellectual architects of the Iraq War, for example, Paul Wolfwood, Douglas Fleet, I think what drove them was hubris and ambition and the notion that they themselves could change the world and restructure the world.
joe rogan
Well, also they became a war corporation.
And one of the things about becoming a corporation is that you lose, there's a diffusion of responsibility.
You have a bunch of people moving towards the same goal.
And even if that goal is evil, it seems like it's going to be okay because it's not really you.
bryan callen
That's exactly right.
joe rogan
Yeah.
bryan callen
That's exactly right.
joe rogan
It's easier to rape someone in front of 100 people than it is in front of one person.
bryan callen
Exactly.
And ideas take on a mind of their own.
All of a sudden, it becomes a snowball.
And everybody's kind of, it's a confluence of sort of ideas, exactly what you said.
And all of a sudden, everybody's rolling toward this objective, and it's madness.
It's collective madness.
jimmy burke
And it starts with the drum beats.
And that's really where that comes from.
That's right.
And the collective conflict.
bryan callen
But then it raises this question.
You do define yourself, and a nation defines itself in some ways on what it's willing to fight for, what it's willing to go to war for.
joe rogan
Right.
But when the nation's entire history is built on bullshit and murdering people for money, it's kind of hard to take that nation seriously.
So that nation says, we're standing up for the right thing now.
I know we fucked a lot of people over and killed millions in the name of oil and gas and minerals and whatever, but now we're America.
It's halftime America.
bryan callen
Yeah, but see, I'm less critical.
I'm less critical.
But I'm less critical of that.
joe rogan
Of course you are.
I know.
Because what does that even mean?
Your country is not the government.
That's what's crazy.
Your country is the people that you know and you love.
The ideals this country is founded upon is that this is America, land of the free, home of the brave.
Meanwhile, they're sucking liberties out of us like a vampire with a fucking straw.
bryan callen
That's why you got to vote for Ron Paul every day.
joe rogan
Yeah, you can try, but you know what?
They'll kill that old man.
You know, I love Ron Paul.
bryan callen
I already have.
joe rogan
I wore a Ron Paul shirt on the Tonight Show and sat next to him.
bryan callen
Hey, ideas take a while.
Ideas take a while, but let me tell you something.
Ron Paul four years ago would not have gotten the percentage of support he got.
joe rogan
No, you're right.
They're still shutting him down.
The big news corporations are still just giving Michelle Bachman attention and make a big deal about the fact that Rick Perry resigned.
Rick Perry is now going to support Mick Romney.
Oh, who gives a fuck?
What is the guy at the gas station going to support?
Interview him because he's just as likely to be a leader as Rick fucking Perry, that dunce.
brian redban
That's why I'm voting for Roseanne Barr, 2000.
joe rogan
It's not a bad idea.
bryan callen
There you go.
joe rogan
I'd vote for Roseanne.
I love Roseanne.
I'll vote for her.
A crazy bitch.
You'll run chick proper.
brian redban
That's right.
joe rogan
You should put everybody in check.
jimmy burke
We should have a woman in power.
We should share some power with women.
joe rogan
Aunt Wrong.
bryan callen
What are you a fucking man?
joe rogan
Mental cramps.
Fucking communists.
Menopause.
What are you talking about?
Plus the fact that it's not normal for women to be running shit.
jimmy burke
You obviously didn't see the irony.
joe rogan
The only time women run things correctly is when it's some crazy banana republic in the middle of nowhere and you get some crazy bitch who knows how to shoot people.
She takes over for a short time and they make a movie about it after she's dead.
That's when it works right.
bryan callen
Talking about Eva Road?
joe rogan
Yeah.
You know, like, who was Margaret Thatcher?
She really let Margaret Thatcher run.
bryan callen
Margaret Thatcher.
Margaret Thatcher's no joke.
joe rogan
Margaret Thatcher, get out of here.
bryan callen
Margaret Thatcher is a son.
She did run shit.
joe rogan
She was a male George Bush.
bryan callen
Damn right.
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
A female George Bush.
jimmy burke
She was smart than George Bush.
joe rogan
She was a fucking figurehead.
bryan callen
Watch her.
joe rogan
She had a bunch of evil fucks behind her working the strings, a bunch of bankers.
bryan callen
Watch her debates in Parliament.
She gave as good as she got.
jimmy burke
She was bad as she was.
joe rogan
She did.
So was Hillary Clinton.
Hillary Clinton could debate her assistant.
bryan callen
Not even close.
Not even close.
Margaret Thatcher, the Iron Lady?
Oh, my God.
joe rogan
Do you know Meryl Streep made a movie about her?
bryan callen
Damn right.
joe rogan
They sent me one of those things in the mail.
Like one of those sag things.
I looked at him like this.
Like, just imagine wasting my time watching this fucking stupid thing about somebody else.
jimmy burke
I made a movie date night with my girlfriend.
Just curl up on my couch and wear that.
unidentified
I will watch that little streep do anything.
jimmy burke
That woman is a n-share.
That woman is an artist of the highest level, the greatest actor I've ever seen.
Male or female, on stage or off.
joe rogan
Okay, what are you talking about?
She's not better than Gary Oldman.
Shut the fuck up.
Gary Oldman in Dracula, shut your mouth, ball.
Gary Oldman in Dracula.
Shut your fucking mouth.
It's not even close, man.
Get out of here, man.
unidentified
Oh, shit.
joe rogan
One of the greatest performances in human history.
jimmy burke
Fantastic.
joe rogan
He's playing a silly thing.
He's playing a vampire, and yet it's awesome.
unidentified
It's awesome.
jimmy burke
He's a one-shot wonder.
joe rogan
What are you talking about?
jimmy burke
He's a one-shot woman.
joe rogan
Who was the Christian Slater movie, the Quentin Furtito Family?
bryan callen
True Romance?
unidentified
True Romance.
jimmy burke
Are you fucking kidding me?
brian redban
Barry Oldman.
bryan callen
He's sick.
joe rogan
What do you mean you give me that one?
Meryl Streep is in the Bridges of Madison County, you fuck.
jimmy burke
How dare you?
So beautiful.
joe rogan
Yeah, and Balrick.
Oh, my God.
unidentified
It's a relationship that they can't really get together.
They love each other for your talking about me.
joe rogan
Chris Maguire, my friend, is a hilarious comedian, has a great bit about that.
He's back in the days where they used to rent it.
And he goes, you know, you're picking the movies out with your girl.
Oh, how about Bridges in Madison County?
He goes, oh, okay.
Eastward's in it.
Clint's in it.
Clint would never fuck me.
And he goes, I'm watching the movie.
He goes, 10 minutes into it, he goes, hey, Clint doesn't have a gun.
unidentified
I did.
joe rogan
Exactly what I did.
unidentified
He goes, 20 minutes later, Clint's crying.
joe rogan
And he goes, oh, Clint, you fucked me.
unidentified
He goes, he's crying because he doesn't have a gun.
brian redban
So funny.
joe rogan
The fucking great bit, man.
bryan callen
That's a great bit.
joe rogan
That's totally true.
bryan callen
Who was that guy?
joe rogan
Chris Maguire.
bryan callen
You know who else?
joe rogan
He's going to do the podcast soon.
I got a question.
bryan callen
You know I fucking love, though, Danielle Day-Lewis.
joe rogan
Oh, he's another one.
bryan callen
He's another one.
joe rogan
Meryl Streep can't suck his balls.
jimmy burke
Don't touch Meryl Streep.
She is in a hole.
unidentified
You're out of another.
jimmy burke
Oh, you're out of your mind.
joe rogan
I drink your milkshake.
Did you see how he played the boxer?
Did you see that movie where he played that oxygen?
jimmy burke
He was really boxer?
unidentified
Fuck.
joe rogan
Yeah, he was.
unidentified
He was in there for a whole year.
joe rogan
That's all he did every day is box.
He was the only guy ever to look like a real boxer.
If you watch like Marky Mark in that fighter movie, he looks like a guy who's never been punched in the face.
He looks like a guy, or maybe he got punched in the face a few decades ago and forgot what it's like.
Because every time he's throwing a punch, no one's coming at him.
No one's coming back with counters.
He's throwing punches and there's like this lazy mentality to it.
It's not like a guy.
If you watch Dickie Eklund, go back and watch Mickey Ward's brother Dickie Eklund.
When that guy used to fight, he was a crazy dude.
He did a lot of crack.
He had a lot of problems.
But his fucking guard was high and tight.
And he threw a right hand, his left hand was here.
If he threw a left hand, his right hand was here.
He was a guy who'd been punched in the face before.
He was a real fucking boxer.
And that's the difference.
When you watch a lot of actors, they're throwing punches, they look like a guy who's never been punched in the face.
That guy didn't.
Daniel Day-Lewis looked like a real fucking boxer.
Looked like a real fucking boxer.
bryan callen
He boxed.
He got in the ring and actually.
joe rogan
Sylvester Stallone looks like the farthest possible thing from a real boxer in Rocky.
It doesn't even look remotely like a real boxer.
bryan callen
I know.
jimmy burke
I think it's a metaphor.
I think the entire fight was a metaphor.
I never took it literally.
brian redban
You were on California last week.
bryan callen
I was on California last week.
brian redban
I was in the first episode.
bryan callen
I didn't watch it.
I was on the first episode.
jimmy burke
I didn't watch it.
I will brook no opposition to Merle Streep.
joe rogan
She is a mess of concussions, man.
I'm telling you.
If you had three less concussions, you did a lot of estrogen.
What am I saying?
bryan callen
A lot of estrogen running through his body.
joe rogan
You did a lot of edamame.
brian redban
Daddy.
bryan callen
Dude, dude.
joe rogan
What was California like?
bryan callen
I had a great time.
joe rogan
Did you work with David Dakota?
bryan callen
Oh, yeah.
I torture him.
I'm a cop.
I'm a dick to him the whole time.
joe rogan
But knowing him and knowing what a freak he is, did you start talking to me about Pussy?
bryan callen
Well, I don't want to say anything out of turn, but we did have a talk about it.
And we did.
And he's a really good guy, really funny guy, and he was really cool.
And he never gets beyond this.
He's always, you know, talks about this side.
He's like, man, I don't know.
joe rogan
Yeah, it was great on the X-Files.
Everything else.
brian redban
I love California.
joe rogan
Give him a fucking shot of California.
bryan callen
I haven't seen this.
I love the show, but I like the guy.
joe rogan
He's no Meryl Streep.
bryan callen
Him?
Oh, by the way, you know who I got along with really well?
Reza, the guy from Wu-Tang Clan?
He's a fucking great guy.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah?
bryan callen
Oh, dude, he's a great.
We were laughing.
He's just a great guy.
You know, he's like a bad, he's like a rapper, Wu-Tang, you know.
He's the fucking, he's the nicest guy.
He loves it.
He loves to laugh and just talk and telling me great fucking stories about how he went to Africa and they tried to rip him off.
He had these fucking story after story, man.
I go to him.
You have kids?
He goes, he goes, storytelling.
He goes, you have kids?
He goes, I got, I got.
And he just, he fans his fingers out like across a horizon.
He goes, he goes, man, I lived that lifestyle.
I was hip-hop.
Like, he has too many kids.
He couldn't put his finger out.
jimmy burke
He could sweat enough.
bryan callen
You have kids.
joe rogan
He goes, as someone who really loves being around their kids, that would depress the shit out of me.
If I had a bunch of kids that I wasn't, I don't know what his situation is, but I know there's a lot of dudes hard, man.
He grew up with that aren't raising their kids.
That would drive me crazy, man.
If there was a bunch of human beings that I gave birth to or was responsible for their creation on this planet and I never got to see them and they were just like existing.
bryan callen
He does because he was talking about his kids in a very, very like family.
He's there for his kids.
I'm sure.
joe rogan
Well, you know, what was that one basketball player who's famous?
He had 24 babies.
bryan callen
Oh, Sean Kemp.
jimmy burke
Sean Kemp.
joe rogan
How many babies did he have?
bryan callen
He had nine kids from nine different women.
How about that, right?
brian redban
Do you have any scenes with Natasha, David DeCovani's wife or ex-wife or whatever you have?
joe rogan
No, no, but there is a Tia Leone's on that show?
bryan callen
No, let me say that.
There's an African-American woman.
joe rogan
Oh, it's fake.
brian redban
Yeah, it's fake husband.
bryan callen
There is an African-American woman at that table raid, who's on that show, who is truly like one of the best-looking women I've ever seen.
unidentified
Megan Good?
bryan callen
Yeah.
Oh, my God.
brian redban
She's so amazing.
bryan callen
Bro, I kept looking at her.
I was like, you're the best-looking thing.
I was going to do something inappropriate, like flip out.
I was like, what the fuck is this?
How the fuck are you that good looking?
She's so pretty.
She's so ridiculously pretty.
I was like, like sultry, like a creature.
Like, she's like black, white.
She's probably got like 15 different nationalities.
I was like, what the fuck is this?
joe rogan
Like Rosario Dawson type.
bryan callen
Better.
unidentified
Better.
joe rogan
Wait a minute.
What's this chick's name?
What's her name?
What's her name?
bryan callen
Megan Good.
brian redban
And she's in the new Dungeons and Dragons movie, so she's going to become like a black Megan Fox then.
So buy your stock on her.
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
I'm looking at her right now.
Jesus Christ.
bryan callen
Oh, she's so ridiculous.
joe rogan
Not even exaggerating.
No, no, no.
But she's not as hot as Rodario Dawson.
I'm sorry.
bryan callen
She is.
joe rogan
She's hot.
bryan callen
I've seen both in person plenty of times.
joe rogan
She's pretty hot.
unidentified
But whatever.
brian redban
She kills her.
joe rogan
She's hot, but you're exaggerating.
bryan callen
No, you're out of here.
unidentified
Hold on.
bryan callen
Let me see if those pictures do her, Justin.
Hold on.
joe rogan
She's got kind of a weird chin.
bryan callen
Hold on.
joe rogan
Probably can't take a punch.
unidentified
Hold on, hold on.
bryan callen
Hold on.
unidentified
Nice.
brian redban
You probably can't take a punch.
bryan callen
Look at her.
unidentified
Look at her.
joe rogan
She's beautiful.
She's beautiful.
But Rosario Dawson's hotter.
Sorry.
jimmy burke
I worked with Rosario.
bryan callen
She's gorgeous.
joe rogan
Yeah, I did too.
I did Zookeeper with her.
She's beautiful.
jimmy burke
She is beautiful.
unidentified
Thank you.
joe rogan
Yeah.
jimmy burke
And cool.
joe rogan
And she's no Meryl Streep.
Now, here, look at this.
Come on, Brian.
Shut the fuck up, dude.
You're a silly man.
That's why people have a hard time taking you seriously.
Look at these two back-to-back.
Rosario Dawson's about 10 times hot.
brian redban
Oh, a million times better.
joe rogan
She's ridiculously hot, Brian.
You're out of your fucking mind.
Your judgment sucks.
bryan callen
You're fucking wrong.
joe rogan
How dare you?
brian redban
Can we talk more about share now?
joe rogan
Listen, buddy, you've got your own podcast to worry about now.
And it's the Brian Cowan show, and it's available on desktop.
And you can get it free on iTunes, and it's amazing.
And usually it's not like today where everybody's just talking over each other, but we took a chance today with a lot of people in a room.
When you get four people in a room, shit gets crazy.
Rosario Dawson, by the way, one of the hottest humans.
brian redban
One of the hottest chicks ever.
Get her on the podcast so I can kiss her.
joe rogan
She's awesome.
She would totally do it, too.
She's super cool.
brian redban
kiss me.
joe rogan
She's really like But I think she's free.
I think she's single.
But I don't think she's into man boys, so you're fucked.
unidentified
I could act tough.
I got a gun.
joe rogan
I don't think she's into that either.
I just don't think it's you.
brian redban
I can act up like the guy from Drive, which is just don't talk.
joe rogan
Yeah, just go.
brian redban
You want a toothpick?
joe rogan
Yeah.
brian redban
Who gives a toothpick to a little kid?
Come on.
Who choose on toothpicks?
joe rogan
The dude in Drive.
It was a choice by some director who doesn't know anybody cool.
brian redban
Yeah.
It was like a music video.
joe rogan
Yeah, a little bit.
brian redban
Hipster music video.
joe rogan
Yeah, it was like a long music video.
Yeah.
But that was the other thing.
The songs were terrible.
A real human being.
Like, what was that song?
brian redban
First song.
That's the only song.
joe rogan
The song in the movie Drive.
bryan callen
Oh, fuck.
unidentified
Oh, it was awful.
bryan callen
It was a letdown.
I can't wait to see this movie now.
And by the way, I'm sorry.
I got to go bad on another movie.
I'm sorry.
I saw it.
joe rogan
Come over here and look at Rosario Dawson and then shut the girlfriend.
bryan callen
I've seen her.
I live in the same name.
unidentified
Come in.
Come here.
brian redban
Come here.
bryan callen
We live on the same street.
joe rogan
Come in.
brian redban
Really?
joe rogan
Come here.
We live on our street.
Shut the fuck up.
Don't tell people where Rosario Dawson lives.
See that?
Do you see that?
bryan callen
She's gorgeous.
joe rogan
Okay.
bryan callen
Yeah.
joe rogan
You ready?
Now look at that.
No fucking comparison.
Go sit down, bitch.
Go sit down.
Go sit down.
You don't know what the fuck you're talking about.
bryan callen
My girlfriend.
Don't ever talk to me.
joe rogan
Don't ever talk to me about Margaret again.
bryan callen
Don't ever talk to me about my girlfriend.
joe rogan
She's beautiful.
Don't get me wrong.
Don't get me wrong.
She's beautiful.
She's a 10.
Rosario DeSawson is a 10.1.
bryan callen
It's another level.
You're getting her 0.1.
joe rogan
Yeah, she's a ridiculous 10.
She's a 10 where you look at it and just go, wow, does that even happen?
bryan callen
Yeah, she's gorgeous.
joe rogan
The other girl's a 10.
bryan callen
Don't get me wrong.
joe rogan
I mean, she comes see me, she heard the podcast, she gets pissed at me.
Baby, you're beautiful.
bryan callen
You hear something weird for me as I get older, as I get older?
Like, I used to not always, I've dated a couple black girls when I was younger, but I was never as attracted.
Now, now as I'm older, I just find them, I get more and more attractive.
joe rogan
It's the Robert De Niro effect.
bryan callen
I don't know what it is.
joe rogan
I love them.
A lot of dudes are so gorgeous.
Bill Mar.
They get older.
They just only bang black chips.
unidentified
Oh, God.
joe rogan
You should change what you're into.
bryan callen
I love them.
I love them.
joe rogan
Plus, you recognize.
bryan callen
Filipino girls, black girls.
joe rogan
Oh, talk to them.
bryan callen
And Latin girls.
Oh, God.
joe rogan
And then white girls look like they need naps.
bryan callen
That's exactly right.
I think maybe it's I want to diversify my jeans or something.
joe rogan
That's exactly what it is.
bryan callen
Seriously, like, I want some black jeans and some.
joe rogan
I have a friend who has a girlfriend who is completely blonde, and she has blonde eyelashes, and it creeps me the fuck out.
And she always wears fake eyelashes, and she puts mascara on a fake eyelashes to hold down and changes the way her face looks.
But I came over the house once, and she had nothing on, and I was like, it's like my jeans, my jeans made me go, who is this?
Like, this is not, I'm not getting the same reaction from this person.
There was a reaction that I got from the girl with the dark eyes that was like, wow, she's so pretty.
She's so nice.
But this one is like, ooh, what's going on with you?
bryan callen
Caterpillar.
What happened?
joe rogan
Bad jeans.
bryan callen
Same thing happened to me.
joe rogan
You were dating a girl.
bryan callen
I met a girl who's so fucking hot.
She had the craziest ass.
And she had these dark eyes.
And I realized, oh, that's mascara.
And she had blonde eyebrows.
And I went, I mean, blonde eyelashes.
And it just killed it.
I don't know what happened.
She didn't even look close to us.
unidentified
Pretty.
joe rogan
It's weird.
bryan callen
I was like, oh, I'm not attracted anymore.
joe rogan
That's weird.
Instantly.
unidentified
It was way too crazy.
jimmy burke
It kills the effect.
It kills the effect.
bryan callen
Her tits were so nice, they looked fake and they were real.
I remember, I'll never forget this girl.
I think her name is Cheryl in New York.
I had sex with her like, you know how a cowboy crosses the desert and jumps into a trough of water after he hasn't had water for three days?
That's what I would do to her pussy.
joe rogan
But only when she had her dark eyelashes.
bryan callen
Then all of a sudden I see her.
I saw her walking down the street with no makeup and I went, huh?
That's so hot.
joe rogan
But here's the thing with me.
When a dark-haired girl with dark eyelashes and dark, I like them better with no makeup.
I really like that.
So do I. So do I. I have to tell my wife to not wear makeup.
I tell her.
Oh my gosh.
I don't want you wearing that shit.
Don't wear anything.
bryan callen
I never like makeup.
joe rogan
Don't wear nothing.
You're hot as fuck.
But they look at people in magazines and things and think, and I had to break this down to her.
I go, listen, this is not hotter.
It's just different.
This is not hotter.
But you think it's hotter because it's in magazines.
bryan callen
She wants to preen.
She instinctive preen.
joe rogan
Well, if you ever dated a girl that wanted to be too skinny, which drives me fucking crazy.
I don't like skinny.
bryan callen
Me neither.
joe rogan
I like girls that are, I like a little softness.
I like a little fat.
jimmy burke
Round.
unidentified
Yes.
jimmy burke
But an athletic, but more to it.
joe rogan
Athletic, but more than less.
I like a girl that's like five pounds overweight.
Maybe ten.
bryan callen
No problem.
joe rogan
Yeah, no problem.
Well at all.
bryan callen
Especially if they have a small, small, as long as they have a small waist and it goes in the ass.
Oh, God.
joe rogan
Oh, come on.
jimmy burke
No kind of chips.
bryan callen
Fixed thighs.
joe rogan
When you're touching them, they're soft.
bryan callen
Fantastic.
joe rogan
It feels good.
bryan callen
You and I have the same.
We've always had it.
joe rogan
Yeah, we've always had it.
bryan callen
Actually, you and I, too.
joe rogan
Men!
The only ones who don't are the ones making these crazy dresses and having these skinny bitches walking.
bryan callen
Because they're attracted to coat hangers.
joe rogan
They're attracted to the boys.
bryan callen
Fucking coat hangers, boys.
joe rogan
They're attracted to the boys.
They don't want it to be a woman.
They're designing dresses for freaks.
bryan callen
Exactly.
joe rogan
Yeah.
bryan callen
So you got this like long, bony chick when I'm like, dude, I like.
joe rogan
Someone tried to tell me, like, supermodels, man.
So you date the supermodel.
That's the last thing you want to date.
bryan callen
That's exactly right.
I want the 5'3 ⁇ , power-packed freak Latina.
unidentified
Oh!
joe rogan
Latina chick who can't get enough dicks.
bryan callen
I was in Miami.
I was like, what the fuck is this?
I can't take it.
I can't take it.
unidentified
It's bad.
joe rogan
Those Cubans, that jeans, the Cuban jeans are amazing.
And by the way, Filipino girls, when they're pretty, we got to wrap this up or otherwise it's going to blow up.
bryan callen
Let me just say one.
joe rogan
One minute.
bryan callen
Can I just say that I'll be at the Punchline in San Francisco February 22nd to the 26th?
unidentified
Boom!
joe rogan
Shellock, Lak.
bryan callen
Have you done that club?
unidentified
Yes.
joe rogan
Love that club.
That club's amazing.
Punchline in San Francisco is beautiful.
bryan callen
I've never done that.
I'm pumped.
joe rogan
It's amazing.
And by the way, with your podcast now, it'll fucking sell out.
bryan callen
Dude, it's been crazy.
Thank you, Joe Roger.
joe rogan
What is the date of that?
bryan callen
February 22nd.
joe rogan
Folks, jump on that.
Jump on that shit right now.
Go to the Punchline's website, Google it, find it, because it will sell out.
I guarantee you.
That room is not that many people, and you're going to sell out everywhere now.
bryan callen
I sold out in Canada.
It was crazy.
joe rogan
Yeah, you're going to sell out everywhere.
You're going to sell out everywhere.
Thanks to Joe Rogue.
bryan callen
Thanks to Joe Rogers.
joe rogan
I fancy you.
No, listen, man.
Nobody's going to go to a Hamilton Morris lecture after he came on our podcast.
Unfortunately, he's a great guy.
He's a great.
We got him too hot.
We got him too hot.
We all got too hot.
We had this psychedelic guy on.
I really enjoy him.
I enjoy his internet stuff.
But we went way too deep.
unidentified
Way too deep.
joe rogan
Way too deep.
We had this super cripple weed, too.
It wasn't like the usual stuff that I smoked.
It was indica as opposed to sativa.
So it was couch weed, and we went nine hits deep.
How do you function, dude?
Good question.
But this stuff, the onion barely got high.
Giant bongfuls and barely.
Barely.
Tolerance.
I barely got high.
Everybody who came to the House of Blues this weekend, thank you very much.
That was a fucking amazing crowd.
I had a great time.
And even the fuck, we had, Joey and I had a little bit of apprehension because there was a lot of standing.
We always do the Mandalay Bay Theater, which is about 1800, but unfortunately, they're redoing it for some Michael Jackson show, so we had to do the House of Blues.
So in order to accommodate all the people, we had to have a lot of people standing, and people were cool as fuck.
And I was really impressed by that because we've done it before, and there were a lot of heckling, a lot of talking.
We said, fuck all these standing shows.
We'll never do it again.
But even though I'm sure it was uncomfortable for some of you people, it was still a great, great fucking show.
The crowd was insane.
And a lot of that is because of the podcast.
It's a different, I have different audiences everywhere now.
bryan callen
It's amazing.
joe rogan
It's a completely different audience than I had two years ago.
bryan callen
Do you feel a lot of pressure?
That's funny because what happens when you have that kind of a following is you have to keep coming up with material.
Like a lot of guys will ride the same material for 10 years.
joe rogan
Well, that's why we were talking about your friend earlier that may be a thief.
You got to write.
You got to sit in front of your goddamn computer and write.
And I do it every fucking day.
There's one thing I do every day if I'm not injured.
I work out, okay, because I don't want to be crazy.
I beat off because I don't want to make mistakes.
And I write.
Those are three things that I do.
jimmy burke
Location, location, location.
joe rogan
Keep the monkey in the cage.
Keep the monkey in the cage and keep the car on the track.
bryan callen
You got to do it.
You got to do it.
jimmy burke
You are just as intense as when we first met years ago, but there's a, it's a weird dichotomy.
You're just as intense, but you're also a very sensitive guy.
joe rogan
I've always been very sensitive.
I cry easy.
I'm very, very emotional.
But those emotionals, it's like energy.
Yes.
Yeah, well, people look at energy and they look at, you know, I cry in movie theaters all the time, man.
I'm always crying.
I cry.
A good commercial make me cry.
So do I. But that's also that's how my emotion can come out of me and I can fucking explode in some crazy fucking burst of energy.
It's of a rare fluctuation.
It's exactly.
jimmy burke
It's my girlfriend's Sicilian.
I've seen it.
joe rogan
You got to learn how to control it.
It's a nation of savages.
You know, you heard the story from True Romance about the Moors.
It's all true.
But apart from that, what else is left?
The goddamn Romans.
That's the rest of the Italian genes.
Jesus, it's fucking savages.
bryan callen
Constant wars.
joe rogan
It's like pit bulls.
I've had pit bulls, so have you.
You know what that's like.
bryan callen
It's genetics.
joe rogan
It's the savagery.
You got to control it.
You got to control it.
You got to control the biology.
bryan callen
Keep it together.
joe rogan
Keep it together, bitches.
This Thursday, we got Jason Sowa, who's a very, very interesting dude.
And this should be a really fucking fascinating podcast because he's got a bunch of cool shit online, a bunch of different videos online.
And one of them is how drugs created the internet.
There was a TED video.
I think it was a TED video.
A bunch of really fucking fascinating videos.
But someone sent it to me.
And my friend, I'll give the guy's name, Brian Hofstein.
Thanks, Brian.
I'm for hooking this up.
Some guy on Twitter.
And I watched this guy's video, and I was like, holy shit, this guy's perfect.
So he's going to be on Thursday.
I'm super excited about that.
So that's it for this week.
Otherwise, I got a lot of other things I got going on.
Oh, the next date I got coming up, March 2nd and 3rd and 4th at the Bre Improv.
I don't know if the tickets are available yet, but it'll be the usual suspects.
And when are we doing the Ice House gang?
brian redban
Definitely doing it Friday.
joe rogan
This week.
brian redban
But we might have a second show.
We might add.
joe rogan
Yeah, who's on the other room?
brian redban
We'll figure it out.
joe rogan
Yeah, we'll figure it out.
But this Friday, plan, if you're around.
brian redban
I think Al Magical is going to stop by Serteana.
unidentified
Is he back?
bryan callen
I love Al Magical.
joe rogan
Did he move to New York?
brian redban
Yeah, he's living in New York right now.
bryan callen
He's just back in.
brian redban
Yeah, he's living both.
unidentified
He works for the Daily Show now.
bryan callen
Oh, nice.
unidentified
He's a reporter.
joe rogan
He's got a good idea.
bryan callen
I love that guy.
jimmy burke
He's good.
bryan callen
Al Magical is a special guy.
brian redban
Very good guy.
joe rogan
He's awesome.
All right.
And he also thinks your friend's a thief.
We'll be right back.
Thanks for everything.
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
Thanks for everything, everybody.
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bryan callen
And please, please, all due respect to all the Japanese people out there.
I didn't mean that we should drop nuclear bombs on it.
joe rogan
He got crazy.
He got a little crazy.
He gets a little fox news on it.
unidentified
No, no, no.
bryan callen
I was just talking about 1945 and the government of Japan.
That's all I was talking about.
Not Japanese people.
And they're great people.
joe rogan
His background is a little sketchy.
He gets a little Fox News on folks.
Get a little crazy.
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Or don't.
I don't give a fuck, dude.
Do whatever you want to do with your life.
You don't want to beat off into a rubber vagina.
That's fine with me.
I just don't want to hear you complain about it on Twitter.
Is that okay?
Keep your negativity to yourself.
If you're thinking about sending me a negative tweet, this is what I want you to do.
Go run around the block, okay?
Go run around the block, then beat off, and then I bet you'll be different.
bryan callen
Get some perspective.
joe rogan
You are not how you behave, okay?
You are not who you've been.
You're not your past history.
You are right now the accumulation of your experiences on this planet and what you've learned.
Act in accordingly.
Don't go by the same fucking patterns.
Prepare your future.
All right, that's it.
bryan callen
I'm inspired, baby.
jimmy burke
Well said.
joe rogan
You dirty bitches.
unidentified
Jimmy Burke, ladies and gentlemen, pitch in and get this man a fucking cell phone.
bryan callen
Get him a computer.
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