July 31, 2011 - The Joe Rogan Experience
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the joe rogan experience train by day joe rogan podcast by night all day first of all how the fuck do you make 185 pounds How is that even possible? | |
| Diet and exercise. | ||
| But you're so big! | ||
| What do you walk around at? | ||
| I'm about 230 right now. | ||
| What is the process of you getting down to 185? | ||
| Yeah, I definitely can't do it on short notice. | ||
| It takes like a whole eight weeks unless I have to kill myself. | ||
| And I used to do that. | ||
| I'd just not eat for a week and sit in a sauna forever and then wonder why after three minutes, like, dude, I'm fucking tired, dude. | ||
| Fuck. | ||
| Well, how much of a performance impact does it have on you even if you take off, even if you have two solid months to prepare and lose the weight? | ||
| I feel good. | ||
| I don't think it has a performance issue. | ||
| I know that some dudes, they cut weight, they don't do it the right way, and I think it kind of makes them more fragile. | ||
| But I haven't had that experience. | ||
| So for you, as long as they give you two months, you can do it. | ||
| But how good does food taste after those two months? | ||
| Everything in my life is extreme. | ||
| If I don't have a fight coming up, I'm a burger, cheeseburger, pizza, beer kind of guy. | ||
| Hardly drink water. | ||
| But then when I am, don't eat anything green. | ||
| But then when I am training for a fight, it's just the exact opposite. | ||
| Nothing but water. | ||
| I count my calories. | ||
| Do you have a meal prep company? | ||
| Yeah, I think it's Icon Meals that the UFC has. | ||
| And it's awesome because each meal you can tell it has the macronutrients on there and how many calories. | ||
| So I just wear a heart rate monitor and it tells me how many calories I burn per workout. | ||
| So I just go home, I burn 500, I can only eat 300. Have you ever thought about, like, fucking I'm going to go heavyweight? | ||
| When I fought Darren Stewart the second time, he was like, let's do heavyweight. | ||
| And for a second, I was like, man, fuck that. | ||
| Let's just do heavyweight instead of light heavyweight and not cut any weight. | ||
| If I show up at heavyweight, dude, I'm going to have a big old belly. | ||
| I ain't going to be able to fight at heavyweight, I don't think. | ||
| It ain't going to work. | ||
| My cardio is going to be shit. | ||
| So when you get to 185 and you do it correctly, you have better cardio? | ||
| I think so. | ||
| I really don't get tired in fights. | ||
| So, yeah, I feel good. | ||
| And the middleweights, for my career, I think middleweight is the way to go because they're not as durable as the light heavyweights and the light heavyweights. | ||
| Those motherfuckers are big. | ||
| They're like 6'3", 6'4". | ||
| So it's like a statue thing for me. | ||
| I'm only 6'1", so I'll be punching up at everybody. | ||
| What would you think if they eliminated weight cutting? | ||
| Because, you know, there's been talk about that, mostly from me. | ||
| I think it's... | ||
| I mean, everyone's doing it, but what it is, essentially, is like sanctioned cheating. | ||
| You're pretending you're 185 pounds. | ||
| You're about 185 for, what, an hour? | ||
| Yeah, the shortest amount of time possible. | ||
| Yeah, and then when you fight, what do you think you weigh? | ||
| Well, I've been as heavy as 225 on bite night. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| But I think it works backwards. | ||
| Yeah, I'm bigger, but... | ||
| When I'm that heavy, like when I fought Andre Muniz, I was like 225, but I just felt like heavy. | ||
| You know, I was like, dude, I don't know how to... | ||
| You put too much on. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I was like, dude, I'm not moving like I was getting ready for the fight. | ||
| So when that happens, it's like, damn, I just kind of fucked myself. | ||
| Charles Oliveira just, they just did this thing where they weighed him on fight night versus weigh-in, and he's 183 on fight night. | ||
| He fights at 155. Yeah, you look at him, you wouldn't think he weighs that. | ||
| No, he's pretty stout. | ||
| He's a stout dude. | ||
| I mean, he's long and lean and everything. | ||
| He's, like, broad, but front to back, he's a thin guy. | ||
| Well, I think he's maximized for the weight class. | ||
| There's guys that, like, they're maximized for that weight class. | ||
| Like, Jon Jones at 205 was a perfect example. | ||
| Maximized for that weight class. | ||
| The perfect physique for that weight class. | ||
| Hamza Chemaev at 170. Maximized. | ||
| It's, like, the perfect amount of length, but strong as shit. | ||
| You know, there's, like, a lot of advantages for that. | ||
| Yeah, you know, those guys, especially at the top, you know, they're much bigger for the most part than everybody else in the weight class. | ||
| Ushman's a big motherfucker for the weight class. | ||
| John Jones, C64. You know, they call him, like, his legs look skinny, but he's not a skinny guy. | ||
| No. | ||
| Just from, like, the knee down. | ||
| He doesn't have any calves. | ||
| Yeah, which is crazy. | ||
| We talked about that yesterday. | ||
| Like, all the weightlifting he does, those things don't grow. | ||
| It's just weird. | ||
| You know, when I first started fighting, they were like, oh, I was like 240, like football big. | ||
| They were like, oh, you're going to end up fighting at 85. I was like, bullshit. | ||
| I'm not cutting weight like that. | ||
| And then my buddy Marcus Brimage fought McGregor on the same card that Cormier and Jon Jones fought the first time. | ||
| So we went, and I saw those two fight, and I was like... | ||
| 85 might be the move. | ||
| 85 might be the move. | ||
| That motherfucker's big, dude. | ||
| What was it like the first time you did it? | ||
| Uh, dude, it was awful. | ||
| Because, like, no one told me how to do it. | ||
| They were like, oh, dude, I would run, and I'd be like 210, and I'd be like, oh, you can just cut the rest in water. | ||
| So I'm like, alright. | ||
| So the first time, dude, I sat in a sauna for like six hours. | ||
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Oh! | |
| And my coach at the time, I was like, dude, I'm done with this. | ||
| I don't care how much I weigh right now. | ||
| I'm out of here. | ||
| And he was like, no, no. | ||
| I'm like, dude, listen. | ||
| I'm getting out of here whether it's through you or around you. | ||
| You have about three seconds to make this decision. | ||
| And he just stepped to the side. | ||
| And, you know, of course, I missed a way. | ||
| I was like, 189. But I was like, dude, I'm not doing that shit. | ||
| And then, so I did that a few times. | ||
| And then I met my wife. | ||
| And, you know, she's into the fitness thing. | ||
| And she's like, you're. | ||
| Not a smart person. | ||
| This is not how you should be doing this. | ||
| So she started measuring my meals, and I was actually eating more, you know, because it makes your metabolism faster or whatever, but smaller meals. | ||
| And then, dude, I just became easier. | ||
| What was your transition from football into MMA? What motivated that? | ||
| We won a national championship my senior year. | ||
| I think everybody knows that even if you do make it to the NFL, you're probably not going to be there for long. | ||
| If the NFL thing doesn't work out, at least I can come back to Alabama. | ||
| Somebody in alumni will have a job for me. | ||
| That's not what happened. | ||
| I ended up being a janitor. | ||
| I was cleaning apartments, cleaning factories, working with meth heads and drug addicts with a water lance. | ||
| This thing has 2,000 pounds of pressure. | ||
| It cuts sheet metal. | ||
| Some dude nodding off, bucking around. | ||
| It was dangerous. | ||
| I just found myself being mad and frustrated that You know, here I am living in the same town that just a year ago, we won a national championship, and I'm doing this kind of work. | ||
| So, you know, fighting all the time, drinking, abusing drugs, just kind of mad, and walking around with my fists balled up all the time. | ||
| So, I'm like, man, eventually something's going to happen to me. | ||
| I'm going to get shot, you know, just doing stupid stuff. | ||
| And so I just walked into a gym, started training. | ||
| So you were about 21? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| 21 when you first started training? | ||
| No training prior at all? | ||
| No, like 24. Oh, really? | ||
| Yeah, because I chased the dream, the football dream. | ||
| I went to Colorado, played arena ball, played in Canada for a little bit, and finally I was just like, dude, if it's not the NFL, then it's not worth it. | ||
| So what was holding you back from achieving your goals in the NFL? I just don't think I was big enough, fast enough, good enough. | ||
| You know, you always kind of like lie to yourself when you're younger. | ||
| It's like, oh, fuck yeah, dude, I'm gonna make it, I'm gonna play. | ||
| And then, you know, you kind of get shit on and, you know, so you just walk around bitter until you find something else to do. | ||
| At least that was my experience anyways. | ||
| And so was MMA a thought in your mind as a career or was it something you were just doing to blow off steam? | ||
| Initially, I started doing jujitsu and I was like, oh, this is cool. | ||
| I can go wrestle and get it out. | ||
| I want to see what it's like to throw punches and stuff. | ||
| I walked into another gym, and first day in there, the coach walks up to me. | ||
| He's like, can you fight? | ||
| Any 24-year-old male, and you ask him if they fight, he's like, fuck you, I can fight. | ||
| Hell yeah. | ||
| He's like, all right, cool. | ||
| Here's some gloves. | ||
| Go fight that guy. | ||
| Go spot that guy. | ||
| It was fucking Walt Harris, who was already a professional fighter, been training, been boxing. | ||
| Heavyweight. | ||
| Big motherfucker. | ||
| Yeah, like 260, 6'4". | ||
| And he beat me up in the nicest way possible. | ||
| Like, I knew, like, if he was being for real, I knew what would happen to him. | ||
| Well, that's nice of Walt. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And, like, you know, I had, like, those big football muscles, so I couldn't, you know, block anything down the middle. | ||
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So I was just goosh, goosh, goosh, goosh. | |
| But, dude, I fell in love with it. | ||
| I was like, dude, it's going to be fun to, like, suck at something and then learn how to do it and then not suck. | ||
| I think that's the biggest apprehension from other athletes coming into this because who the fuck wants to be a white belt again? | ||
| You're already an elite athlete or played at the pinnacle of the sport. | ||
| Now you've got to go in there and take your licks again. | ||
| Like a beginner. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And so I think the ego kind of gets in the way of guys coming from other sports and girls coming from other sports and learning this stuff. | ||
| Well, that even works in guys in combat sports that are learning MMA, like guys who are kickboxers. | ||
| They don't like to wrestle or do jiu-jitsu. | ||
| They just want to learn how to get up. | ||
| They just want to learn. | ||
| That's a big, common problem. | ||
| So when they get in scrambles, They don't really know how to do anything offensively, so everything is defensive, which once your opponent realizes that everything is defensive, it's much more relaxing for them. | ||
| Yeah, and they know they don't have a risk, so they can take more chances. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Worst case scenario, he gets up. | ||
| I'm not going to get choked up or whatever. | ||
| Yeah, it's like guys that surprise me. | ||
| Like, you're a Prohaska. | ||
| When Yuri just tapped out Glover, like, who the fuck saw that coming? | ||
| You know? | ||
| I think exhaustion kind of plays into, you know, the 25th minute, or the 24th and a half minute. | ||
| You know, it's like, fuck, dude, I'm tired. | ||
| And, you know, Glover is 42 years old. | ||
| Yeah, sure. | ||
| And he almost won that fight. | ||
| All he had to do was play it safe in the fifth round, he would have won that fight. | ||
| Yeah, but... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Of course, yeah, like, it didn't work out for him, but as a fan... | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| I don't want to see nobody play it safe, dude. | ||
| Go for it. | ||
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Of course. | |
| Fuck it. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| And that's just me as a fan being selfish, but if he did that, I'd be like, you know. | ||
| Yeah, it's funny when people do play it safe. | ||
| Like, Devin Haney's last fight. | ||
| Like, last round, he played it safe. | ||
| And he even talked about it. | ||
| Like, I knew I had it in the bag, so I just took off the last round, and I was like, ooh... | ||
| Don't say that out loud. | ||
| Don't say that out loud. | ||
| Not on the microphone, dude. | ||
| Tell your coach that, tell your mom that. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, he's in the money for these big, big fights like Lomachenko, and, you know, so after he beat Kambosis, you know, that was, you know, that was a pivotal fight for him. | ||
| I understand taking it off the last round, but yeah, don't say that. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Or say it in different ways, like, you know, I didn't want to, like, get hurt, or, you know, didn't want to risk breaking my hand, or. | ||
| Yeah, maybe. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| It's just, it's that kind of a fight, the Yuri Prohaska-Glover Teixeira fight is the kind of fight that makes fans. | ||
| Sure, sure. | ||
| Like, if you've never watched MMA before and you watched that crazy fucking fight, like, whew! | ||
| Especially how back and forth it was. | ||
| I didn't think that Uri would be as good on the ground to be able to get up in reverse position like he did. | ||
| Glover took a lot of chances. | ||
| Like he dove on guillotines and wound up on the bottom when it didn't work out. | ||
| There was a lot going on in that fight. | ||
| That was not a play-at-safe fight. | ||
| That was a wild fight. | ||
| Me and my son were driving back from Yellowstone and watching it on the phone. | ||
| I was like, dude, I think I need to pull over, dude. | ||
| What the fuck, I was watching the phone, boy, that hit the fucking road. | ||
| Like, shit. | ||
| Yeah, that's not good. | ||
| He fights so strange. | ||
| Yuri fights so strange. | ||
| There's nobody like him in the sport because he's almost like fighting like a karate video game character. | ||
| He's very unpredictable. | ||
| He doesn't have like a pattern. | ||
| It's not jab cross hook. | ||
| Even his movements and then he's leaping in with shots like he almost moves around like a guy who wouldn't be good, but he's really good. | ||
| It's confusing. | ||
| You know, it's like he's got his own style. | ||
| And he's got his little hair. | ||
| He says it's an antenna. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| For the flow. | ||
| To catch the flow. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And you see him working out in the woods, too. | ||
| Like, ties pads around trees, and he's kicking and punching trees. | ||
| Like, very strange. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| He seems like a super odd dude. | ||
| He was doing something that's not wise, though. | ||
| Like, he was padding Glover, saying, good job. | ||
| You're doing a good job. | ||
| Like... | ||
| In the middle of the fight? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And, you know, Mark Goddard was telling me, hey, you're playing a fucking dangerous game because that seems like you're tapping. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, what are you doing? | ||
| Did you ever see any of that? | ||
| No. | ||
| Like I said, I was driving. | ||
| Oh, a lot of people were saying, like, this fight's bullshit. | ||
| He tapped. | ||
| Because it looked like he was like, hey, good job, good job. | ||
| But like, did he have a submission in? | ||
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No. | |
| No, man. | ||
| He was on top of him and beating him up. | ||
| That guy's not tapping the strikes, though. | ||
| No. | ||
| So you don't got to worry about that. | ||
| I don't think he's going to tap. | ||
| I mean, unless he gets caught in something. | ||
| But it's just, when you're watching it, I was like, what is happening here? | ||
| Is he fucking tapping? | ||
| Like, watch this. | ||
| Here, referee, like, watch this. | ||
| Look. | ||
| See, he's on top. | ||
| He's talking to him. | ||
| Good job. | ||
| See, look at that. | ||
| That's a fucking tap, man. | ||
| That's a tap. | ||
| Like, you can't do that. | ||
| Well, at least Glover... | ||
| He was congratulating and encouraging in his opponent. | ||
| Yeah, see, Mark Goddard said it's a risky game, but it's very clear what he was doing and attending. | ||
| Let's celebrate the incredible feat from both gentlemen. | ||
| It's interesting because you really can't do that. | ||
| You can't. | ||
| I mean, because if Glover thought that was a tap... | ||
| Yeah, if he stopped. | ||
| Yeah, like, he could... | ||
| Like, that right there is a fucking tap, man. | ||
| Like, you can't do that because, like, that's... | ||
| Ow, I'm injured. | ||
| Hey, my ribs are broken. | ||
| I gotta stop. | ||
| You know? | ||
| I mean, it's not a position where you normally would see somebody tap. | ||
| But who the fuck knows what's going on? | ||
| I guess Mark heard what he was saying and said, that's not a tap. | ||
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But still, that is tapping. | |
| You can't just fake quit. | ||
| That's like fake quitting. | ||
| Who did that? | ||
| Fabrizio Verdun in the PFL. I forget who he was fighting. | ||
| Oh, the guy fake tapped. | ||
| Yeah, and then he stopped and then... | ||
| And then he wound up losing by TKO. Yeah, but I think it got ruined in no contest at the end, though. | ||
| That's horrible, though. | ||
| That's horrible shit. | ||
| You remember that happened in the UFC early on? | ||
| It was Murillo Bustamante and Matt Lindland. | ||
| And Murillo Bustamante tapped him twice. | ||
| He tapped him once with an arm bar, and Linlin said, I didn't tap! | ||
| And Big John McCarthy, this was like, the UFC in the early days, they were kind of like, oh, let's do it again. | ||
| There was a few of those. | ||
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Are you sure? | |
| Yeah, this is a fight. | ||
| So this is, Bustamante was a bad motherfucker back then. | ||
| He was one of the very first jiu-jitsu guys who was also really dangerous with stand-up. | ||
| And he was one of Carlson Gracie's like top black belts like really technical jujitsu guy and what's that? | ||
| This video's not going to show up, so I was going to stop playing. | ||
| Oh, it's not going to show this up? | ||
| I don't think so. | ||
| So he got him down. | ||
| Oh, this is the finish. | ||
| This is the final finish. | ||
| He caught him in the guillotine. | ||
| So the guillotine is how he finished him. | ||
| So this is tapping in that, you know, maze that he didn't hold on to it because Lin-Lin had fake tapped earlier. | ||
| So that's the third round. | ||
| So he tapped him in the second round with an arm bar and then tapped him in the third round with a guillotine. | ||
| How you fucked that up. | ||
| I went to a fight in Macon, Georgia, just like a local promotion. | ||
| This kid had the other guy in the guillotine, and he did look like he was asleep. | ||
| So the ref stops the fight and the guy's like, hey, what the fuck? | ||
| And he started them again. | ||
| Like from the stand-up. | ||
| You go to your corner, you go to your corner. | ||
| And start and get out of it. | ||
| Like, man, fuck that, dude. | ||
| He tapped. | ||
| They said because nobody had entered the cage that they could keep it going. | ||
| I'm like, no, dude. | ||
| At least you have to give me my position back. | ||
| Yeah, give me the neck again. | ||
| When I started, I earned that position. | ||
| Did you ever see Conan Silviera in Sakuraba? | ||
| Uh-uh. | ||
| Sakuraba got hit with an uppercut and dropped down for a single. | ||
| So he's on like a low single and Big John, again, stops the fight. | ||
| And Sakuraba's like, what the fuck are you doing? | ||
| And then it's in Japan. | ||
| So everybody started freaking out. | ||
| And so they said, don't worry, we'll have him fight again. | ||
| So later on in the night, they fought a second time. | ||
| Yeah, they fought a second time. | ||
| And this time, Sakuraba got Conan in an arm bar. | ||
| And so this was like, I want to say this was like 98? | ||
| It was like right when I quit. | ||
| So he got him in an arm bar and tapped him, and it was fucking crazy because nobody had ever seen a Brazilian Jiu Jitsu black belt get tapped And Sakuraba was, like, way smaller than him, too. | ||
| Like, Sakuraba was probably under 200 pounds. | ||
| And Conan was a big guy. | ||
| Like, Conan had fought in extreme fighting, and, you know, he had fought Maurice Smith then. | ||
| You think they got paid twice? | ||
| I don't think they did. | ||
| I'm not doing the second one for free, dude. | ||
| Fuck that. | ||
| That's a good point. | ||
| That's a very good point. | ||
| But this was a big moment. | ||
| But you go back and you watch even top guys. | ||
| Everyone was a little sloppy then. | ||
| Like, technique is so much more refined now. | ||
| Everything is so different. | ||
| Even, like, if you go and watch jiu-jitsu tournaments, like top-level jiu-jitsu tournaments from, like, 94, 95, and then watch them today in 2022, it's incredible how much progress has been made. | ||
| That's like the evolution. | ||
| How long do you think Sakurabi had been playing or training jiu-jitsu? | ||
| Well, he actually was training catch wrestling. | ||
| That's what's interesting about Sakuraba. | ||
| There's a lot of those guys that were pro wrestlers in Japan, but in pro wrestling in Japan, they do a lot of hard fights. | ||
| Pro wrestling in Japan has a history of real fights. | ||
| Like, sometimes they would have shoots or they would have works. | ||
| And so, like, if you ever want to talk to Josh Barnett as the master of this shit, he'll tell you all about that because, you know, he's a big pro wrestling fan. | ||
| I was training at Danaher's yesterday, and I was talking to this kid from Louisville, Kentucky. | ||
| And I was like, oh, how long have you been training? | ||
| 16 years. | ||
| And I was like... | ||
| How old are you? | ||
| 24. Whoa. | ||
| So I was like, dude, I haven't been training with Helio Seneca since I was six. | ||
| And I'm like, that's the difference in the game. | ||
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Oh, yeah. | |
| When you learn something when you're six, six to 24 is different than 24 to, you know. | ||
| How old are you now? | ||
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35. How long do you think you're going to be doing this? | |
| I probably got five or less fights left. | ||
| Five or less fights. | ||
| What do you think you're going to do when you stop? | ||
| I got a lot of things that I'm pivoting right now, kind of working my way. | ||
| I know I'm in the twilight of my career. | ||
| It's no secret. | ||
| And I started buying real estate. | ||
| Got about 15 houses now. | ||
| Oh, wow. | ||
| Oh, nice. | ||
| So a lot of people always bitch about fighter pay and stuff, but I'm just like... | ||
| What are you doing with your money? | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| If you go to, like, some of the people's, like, Instagram who bitching about fighter pay, go to their Instagram and see what it is that they're spending their money on. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, five Frenchie dogs. | ||
| These are, like, $5,000 to $8,000 dogs. | ||
| Of course you're going to be broke. | ||
| So I just put everything into real estate. | ||
| So I don't even have to fight anymore. | ||
| That's awesome! | ||
| I do it because I like it. | ||
| I do it because I like the competition. | ||
| I like the training. | ||
| I just like doing it. | ||
| But whenever I'm ready, I can dip whenever I want to. | ||
| You're a tough motherfucker, man, because I've watched a lot of your fights and I've been a fan of your fights, your wins and your losses, but when you fought Khalil Roundtree and he was leg-kicking the shit out of you and you didn't even flinch, I was like, damn! | ||
| That was one of the most impressive, like, in a losing performance, one of the most impressive displays of toughness. | ||
| Maybe I should play poker, because that shit was hurting. | ||
| You know, I had a poker face. | ||
| It had to be! | ||
| He kicked so fucking hard. | ||
| But yeah, I mean, it hurt, but it wasn't like dismantling. | ||
| You know, it's not like the... | ||
| My leg wasn't compromised. | ||
| She was just stinging and in pain. | ||
| So I just feel like toughness is like a decision sometimes. | ||
| Like, okay, you feel pain, but are you hurt? | ||
| No, okay. | ||
| And I also think that just naturally I have a higher pain threshold maybe than most people. | ||
| That second round got pretty crazy. | ||
| I think he dropped me like four times. | ||
| And in the corner, the lady, the commission, the doctor was like, are you okay? | ||
| And I was like, dude, is she fucking, is she watching this fight? | ||
| Of course I'm not okay, dude. | ||
| Fuck. | ||
| So I tried to ignore her. | ||
| She's like, yeah, okay, I'm good. | ||
| It's interesting how boxing has three knockdown rules in some fights, in some commissions. | ||
| I wonder if they've ever thought about instituting something like that in an MMA promotion. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I hope not, you know, because I would hate for the fight to get stopped, you know, just for me. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Just because, you know, I got dropped four times. | ||
| It's not like I got up and I, like, you know, didn't have my equilibrium or whatever. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Yeah, I got dropped, but, like, as soon as I hit the ground, I was like, oh, shit, fuck, how'd I get here? | ||
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Fuck, fuck. | |
| Do you think some of that toughness comes from football? | ||
| Because you cannot play football at a high level without being tough. | ||
| Um... | ||
| I think maybe kind of the way I grew up. | ||
| I'm five out of six. | ||
| Oh. | ||
| Yeah, and four boys. | ||
| Oh, that's it. | ||
| So, you know, they used to front me up. | ||
| That's a recipe for bad motherfuckers. | ||
| Get a bunch of boys, let them grow up together, beating the shit out of each other. | ||
| Just for their entertainment, too. | ||
| I think my oldest brother, he'd be like, I'm bored. | ||
| Hey, Eric, let's go climb this tree and jump out. | ||
| Oh, wow. | ||
| And then he wouldn't jump. | ||
| It would just be me. | ||
| Let's go get on the roof and jump or, you know, whatever. | ||
| I'm like, okay, cool. | ||
| Let's go. | ||
| Let's go. | ||
| Do they kind of take credit for you fighting now? | ||
| They should. | ||
| They should. | ||
| I've always been a scrappy dude. | ||
| I've always enjoyed it. | ||
| I wrestled, fought a lot. | ||
| Just being a boy growing up. | ||
| But no training at all? | ||
| No martial art, no karate, nothing? | ||
| JV-level experience wrestling. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| So when you had your first fight, how long had you been training for? | ||
| A month. | ||
| A month? | ||
| And I fought twice. | ||
| In a night? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I think my coach at the time, I'm sure that he was on dope looking back. | ||
| He'd just be pale. | ||
| We didn't do nothing but ones and twos. | ||
| Didn't wrestle. | ||
| Didn't do anything. | ||
| He would hardly show up. | ||
| And, you know, they were like, hey, you want to fight? | ||
| I was like, all right, cool. | ||
| And so, dude, I like... | ||
| It was very like... | ||
| Dark time in my life, you know? | ||
| So I drove up to Huntsville, Alabama, smoking Newports. | ||
| Smoking Newports a day of the fight? | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Man, my coach didn't even show up. | ||
| Didn't have any corner men. | ||
| This is in a boxing ring, in a bar, in a smoky bar in the middle of nowhere, Alabama. | ||
| So I was just like... | ||
| Sir, do you mind? | ||
| You don't have to say anything, just do you mind pulling the stool out in between rounds? | ||
| I boxed one fight, lost a split decision, and then fought MMA, knocked the guy out in 50 seconds, and I was like, I think that's it. | ||
| In the same night? | ||
| In the same night. | ||
| So you had a boxing match, and then you had an MMA fight in the same night. | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| No coach. | ||
| No athletic commission either, I guarantee you. | ||
| Zero. | ||
| Holy shit, what kind of fucking promotion is that? | ||
| Dude, just some rednecks putting together a boxing match or a fight. | ||
| They called me while I was on the way up there. | ||
| They were like, hey, they want you to have your blood work done within the last six months. | ||
| Have you had your blood work done? | ||
| I was like, yeah, sure. | ||
| Like two months ago I did. | ||
| But dude, of course I didn't. | ||
| They didn't check. | ||
| And then as I'm driving, I'm just like, dude, what if the guy that I'm fighting did the same thing? | ||
| But he does actually have, like, hepatitis or AIDS. So I was like, well, I guess, you know, they'd make it quick, I guess. | ||
| Don't let him get on top of you and bleed on you. | ||
| Jesus Christ. | ||
| So many people have those stories of these wild promotions, these, like, And I had no idea what I was doing. | ||
| How much do you think you could learn in a month with zero previous training? | ||
| And a shitty coach who's probably on dope. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| Fucking like nodding off his shit in the middle of practice. | ||
| There's a lot of those coaches like that out there. | ||
| I was like, fuck dude, what was I doing? | ||
| A buddy of mine, his kickboxing coach, he was on heroin. | ||
| He found out by going to the bathroom when he found needles in the bathroom. | ||
| He's like, what the fuck is going on? | ||
| I think that's rock bottom. | ||
| Heroin's a weird one, right? | ||
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When you're shooting heroin, poof. | |
| He was the same thing. | ||
| He was nodding off all the time and shit, and he kind of suspected. | ||
| Yeah, you all right, dude. | ||
| Fucking slap him in the face. | ||
| Like, wake up, dude. | ||
| This is practice. | ||
| It's just that world. | ||
| The world of the heroin user is such a strange world. | ||
| Because that is one of those drugs where, like, you could do coke, I guess. | ||
| You could party and still have your life together. | ||
| Like, allegedly, Conor McGregor does coke. | ||
| You know, allegedly. | ||
| I don't know if he does coke. | ||
| Seems like a guy who might do a little coke. | ||
| Believable. | ||
| Believable. | ||
| But that's like a party drug that sometimes people can do and be fine. | ||
| But if you heard that Connor was shooting heroin, you'd be like, what? | ||
| Don't believe it. | ||
| You'd be like, what? | ||
| You're like, oh man, he needs some help. | ||
| Someone needs to help him. | ||
| Let me see his arms. | ||
| Let me check those fingernails. | ||
| That's when you're hurting. | ||
| That's when you're really hurting. | ||
| When you're shooting heroin. | ||
| That is like, that's one of the lowest of low. | ||
| Like, if you're just making that commitment to puncture your vein and pump that shit in there. | ||
| I think that some like the process. | ||
| Getting the spoon, tying off, melting it, you know, putting it in the syringe, and then going to space. | ||
| Going to space. | ||
| I've never done any opiates other than when I had knee surgery. | ||
| They gave me a button that you could press, and you get a little morphine drip, and I remember hitting that button. | ||
| It was like, oh, I get it. | ||
| Oh, now I know why people like this. | ||
| It was so relaxing. | ||
| I don't know about... | ||
| I don't think I would never do heroin, but I think I would probably smoke opium, though. | ||
| Well, this is a friend of mine, his name is Dr. Carl Hart, and he's actually a professor at Columbia. | ||
| And he started off his career as a clinical researcher. | ||
| And he was very straight-laced, never did any drugs. | ||
| And then, as time went on, he started realizing that our perceptions on drugs are way off. | ||
| And what, you know, people think of heroin as, like, being terrible for you. | ||
| This is for you, too, if you want some caffeine. | ||
| And he recreationally uses drugs and talks about it. | ||
| But he's a legitimate professor. | ||
| So when he talks about it, he can talk about it from a pharmacological perspective. | ||
| He can talk about the actual reaction that the human body has to these drugs, and he knows it. | ||
| But he opened his eyes, like, I snort a little heroin every now and then. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He's like, what? | ||
| I think we all let that D.A.R.E. officer down, man. | ||
| We all let him do. | ||
| He's very disappointed. | ||
| Yeah, I guess. | ||
| But he lied. | ||
| Like, which drugs? | ||
| Which drugs? | ||
| Am I going to say no to coffee? | ||
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Get the fuck out of here. | |
| Like, what are we saying no to? | ||
| Say no to alcohol? | ||
| Always? | ||
| Forever? | ||
| I can't even have champagne at a wedding? | ||
| Fuck out of here. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But you know, there are like functioning, you know, alcoholics and people who can do these things, but I think at the end of the day, the drug wins, whatever it is, if you have that If you're an addict. | ||
| But I think addiction is more than just physical. | ||
| It's the choice to start doing so much drugs that your body becomes dependent upon it. | ||
| Those choices are usually not choices that are made by people that are having a good life. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Or maybe their life is too good. | ||
| A lot of it is escape. | ||
| It's trauma. | ||
| Trauma as a kid. | ||
| Sexual abuse. | ||
| That kind of shit. | ||
| That's a lot of people that get hooked on drugs. | ||
| I think you could probably do stuff to get off of that. | ||
| I think mushrooms is good to get over that. | ||
| DMT, wildest ride I've ever had. | ||
| I smoked that toad before. | ||
| I think that just completely eliminates your ego and helps you get over that kind of stuff. | ||
| Isn't it hard to believe that it's real? | ||
| When you do it, you're like, how can I get there that quick? | ||
| How can I just smoke this thing and then 15 seconds later I'm there? | ||
| I did it like three times in one session, like a small, medium, and, you know, an astronomical dose. | ||
| And, like, the second one, I was like, man, I always hear people like astro, like, oh, they're talking about astro-projecting and this sounds, I was like... | ||
| Whatever. | ||
| I'm not sure if I believe that, but dude, that shit is real. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And the third time I did it, I laid down and dude was just like Star Wars, just lightspeed. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Oh, fuck. | ||
| Actually, I was in Cejudo's backyard when I did it. | ||
| Really? | ||
| And dude, he was like running around screaming. | ||
| I was. | ||
| Doing forward rolls in his yard. | ||
| Dude, I thought. | ||
| I was like, dude, I just fucked up, dude. | ||
| This is... | ||
| Yeah, I thought that, too. | ||
| I'm dead. | ||
| I thought I was dead, too. | ||
| Yeah, I was like, fuck. | ||
| So, you know, you kind of like resist. | ||
| You're like, oh fuck, oh fuck, oh fuck, oh fuck. | ||
| So, I was like running around his backyard, like screaming at the top of my lungs, rolling around on the grass. | ||
| Dude, when I woke up, I wasn't in the same place that I was, and I had, like, grass things all over my hands and my clothes and stuff, and I'm like, dude, are you okay? | ||
| But, dude, it was like nirvana. | ||
| I was like, dude, don't touch me. | ||
| Just fucking let me enjoy this moment, dude. | ||
| I fucking face a nice cold grass, watching the grass grow. | ||
| I was like, fuck, dude, just give me a second. | ||
| Let me take this in. | ||
| It's a reset, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It just changes what you think about life and reality. | ||
| Just like that. | ||
| And for me, like, you know, sometimes you have a hard time admitting things to yourself. | ||
| But I was like, dude, you know, after that, I don't think that's an issue anymore. | ||
| And... | ||
| What kind of things to yourself could you admit after that? | ||
| When I fought Chiago Santos, my style of fighting was much different before than it was after. | ||
| A lot of people were like, I want to take it to my limit. | ||
| Well, I found my limit in that fight, and I never wanted to get to that place again. | ||
| Was that a 205 fight? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So I kind of like lie to myself and it's like, oh dude, you're just tired, you know, whatever, whatever, whatever. | ||
| But then I go back and watch the fights after that and the pace is slower, the output is slower because I don't want to get to that level of exhaustion ever. | ||
| And then you do that and it's like, fuck it, you know? | ||
| If you get there, you get there, you know? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And you know, I haven't been able to smoke weed ever since then. | ||
| I've smoked like five times and I get like crazy paranoid and anxiety and I'm just like... | ||
| After the DMT or after the fight? | ||
| After the DMT. Really? | ||
| And I was like, it's not fun anymore. | ||
| Huh. | ||
| It makes you crazy paranoid. | ||
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Interesting. | |
| Yeah, like I did it on the way to the airport. | ||
| I smoked on the way to the airport, and dude, I just could not stop thinking about death. | ||
| I was like, dude, if I crash this car, if I do this, and I was like, on the airplane, or in the airport, just in my head, like going crazy. | ||
| I was like, dude, I don't want to like... | ||
| I hope I don't act out like, you know, kind of like go through that rolling around on the ground. | ||
| Those guys on TMZ. Yeah. | ||
| I was like, dude, they're going to lock me up in a mental institution. | ||
| They're not going to be hearing shit about no toe. | ||
| They're like, dude, this guy's fucking licking toes. | ||
| Like, if I can put him in a straight jacket, like get him out of here. | ||
| So it's just not enjoyable anymore. | ||
| That's funny. | ||
| That's my favorite way to travel. | ||
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When I fly, I'm almost always a high. | |
| Like, what I would do is, when I lived in LA, I was 40 minutes from the airport, and I would take a 200 milligram edible in my driveway, and I would go, let's go! | ||
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And then I just had to get to the airport before it kicked in. | |
| Yeah, I did that one time on a plane. | ||
| And, dude, I just, you know, it was getting like, it was like too much. | ||
| I don't remember how much I took, but I ate like a whole chocolate bar, however much was in that. | ||
| And, dude, I fell asleep on the plane. | ||
| I felt the plane take off. | ||
| I woke up when it landed. | ||
| And I left Vegas and landed back in Vegas. | ||
| Like, the plane took off and came back. | ||
| And it was like, oh, we fucking had, you know, a malfunction or whatever. | ||
| And I was like, this cannot fucking be happening to me right now. | ||
| I was in the middle seat, like, fuck. | ||
| It took the plane like an hour to even leave the first time. | ||
| And you're tripping. | ||
| And I was like, oh my god. | ||
| This is not how this was supposed to go, man. | ||
| Well, it's a feeling of not being in control is what accentuates the feeling of being high on a plane. | ||
| Because when you're just strapped in that seat and you're going 500 miles an hour, 30,000 feet in the air, that alone is weird. | ||
| I was like, how did y'all... | ||
| Why did we have to get in the air for y'all to know that the plane wasn't working right? | ||
| Kind of want to get off of this particular airplane right now. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| That's scary shit. | ||
| We haven't had a plane crash in a long time. | ||
| I probably shouldn't say that, knock on wood. | ||
| But it's been a while. | ||
| But that feeling of being completely out of control. | ||
| And then, you know, you hear about pilots being underpaid. | ||
| And you're like, oh, fucking pay these guys. | ||
| Yeah, 300 lives at a time. | ||
| Yeah, it's just... | ||
| I knock out on the plane, dude. | ||
| Yeah? | ||
| I put that seat back just a little bit so I'm not straight up. | ||
| Just a little bit. | ||
| Put my head on the window and it's over with. | ||
| Well, that's one good thing about training all the time is you're always tired. | ||
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Yeah, yeah. | |
| You know? | ||
| You could always take a little nap. | ||
| All the time. | ||
| I live by naps. | ||
| I can't sleep at like more than four hours at a time. | ||
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Really? | |
| Or whatever, I can't. | ||
| Always? | ||
| Your whole life? | ||
| My whole life. | ||
| Really? | ||
| I have to be walking around the house at like 3 o'clock, 4 o'clock in the morning. | ||
| No shit. | ||
| What do you do when that happens? | ||
| Just fucking them up? | ||
| I used to get up and go run or go work out. | ||
| But then I found out that overtraining is a real thing. | ||
| So I was like, dude, even if I can't sleep, it's probably better to just lay here and be still or watch TV, read a book, do something, than go out there and train. | ||
| Have you overtrained before? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| I trained, I think... | ||
| I think I fought Marcus Perez my second fight, and dude, I trained my ass off. | ||
| I was running, and then I'm warming up in the back, and I'm talking about like three minutes into a mid-session, dude, I was fucking exhausted. | ||
| I was like, whew. | ||
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Really? | |
| Dude, I'm gonna sit down, and my coach's like, oh, you gotta get moving. | ||
| I was like, I don't want to leave it in here, buddy. | ||
| I'm gonna fuck you in. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| But, dude, you know, I fought hard for three rounds, you know. | ||
| But you knew that you were not at your full potential? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I was like, fuck, dude. | ||
| If this shit gets hectic, you go bad really quick. | ||
| I think that's the most helpless thing. | ||
| When you're so tired, you can't defend yourself. | ||
| I did not want that to happen, but it definitely went my way. | ||
| Yeah, that's the scariest thing for any fighter to be in that position, especially if you're fighting someone who's got a crazy gas tank. | ||
| It's like when guys level up, when you get to this level of, like this Max Holloway level, dudes who have crazy volume and never get tired, and you see guys in the middle of a fight with Holloway sometimes when they're like, what the fuck is going on? | ||
| How is this guy not tired? | ||
| How does he keep going? | ||
| And the fights like that, do you guys see that shit live to, like, truly appreciate it? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Like, I was there when he fought Ortega. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| And I was like... | ||
| I've watched him fight on TV, and it's like, oh, fuck, dude, he's just picking and popping. | ||
| But, dude, he's got some fucking... | ||
| Don't. | ||
| Yeah, he's got some thumbs. | ||
| He's just so smart. | ||
| The way he fights is so smart. | ||
| Like, super high volume, a lot of footwork and movement, and his distance intelligence is knowing when to come in and when to come out, and how he was like slipping away from Ortega, and then he's helping him block. | ||
| Remember that shit? | ||
| He's like, put your hands on me this, bro. | ||
| Fuck, I'm tired, dude. | ||
| Stop hitting me. | ||
| Stop hitting me. | ||
| I mean, helping him in the middle of the fight. | ||
| Yeah, he was in the zone for sure. | ||
| Well, the Calvin Cater fight was the one when he was really the most in the zone. | ||
| When he was in the middle of that fight, he's got his hands down and he's talking to people on the side of the cage. | ||
| He's like, I'm the best fucking boxer in MMA. And then Calvin's throwing punches at him and he's just moving his head away with his hands down. | ||
| And Calvin up until that was like... | ||
| You know, he still is one of the best featherweight contenders. | ||
| But up until that, it's like, hey man, this guy might be a champion someday. | ||
| Well, his boxing, he's also got superb boxing. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And he got out-boxed. | ||
| He got pieced up. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He got pieced up. | ||
| I mean, that was like one of Max's finest performances. | ||
| But it's like that joke goes to show you how fucking good Yair Rodriguez is because that fight was wild. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| That fight was wild. | ||
| I watched that fight again a couple of weeks ago. | ||
| I was in the gym and I put it on. | ||
| I was working out. | ||
| I stopped working out just to watch that fight. | ||
| I was like, holy fuck, I forgot how good this fight is. | ||
| He's a lot tougher than I thought he was. | ||
| Yair is a bad motherfucker. | ||
| I was like, fuck, dude. | ||
| His kicks are crazy. | ||
| Like, he had high volume, real power, and fast as shit. | ||
| And, like, more like a Taekwondo style than even, like, Muay Thai style. | ||
| But it's real dangerous, man. | ||
| You know who I, like, appreciated when I saw them fight live? | ||
| I was there when Robbie Lawler fought Nick Diaz. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Just watching him on TV, just kind of looks like he's just... | ||
| I was like, dude, this motherfucker's got fast-ass hands, and he ain't even fought in... | ||
| You know, three or four years and he was changing up the speed. | ||
| I was like, dude, this dude is fucking way better. | ||
| Nick at his prime was amazing. | ||
| Did you ever see one of the great fights of Strikeforce was Nick versus Paul Daly. | ||
| Did you ever see that fight? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because Paul Daly has one of the most lethal left hands that's ever, ever been thrown in all of MMA. That fucking dude nukes everybody. | ||
| And he hurt Nick a couple of times in that fight. | ||
| And that was a crazy fight because Nick was the guy that was known as a jiu-jitsu black belt. | ||
| I mean, yeah, he had knocked out Robbie Lawler, but Paul Daly was one of the scariest strikers to ever fight in MMA. I mean, still to this day, one of my favorite knockout artists because he just nukes everybody. | ||
| He hits you with that left hand. | ||
| You're fucked. | ||
| And he fights left hand forward, too, which is kind of crazy. | ||
| He just recently retired, right? | ||
| Yeah, and he knocked his last opponent out, which is perfect. | ||
| That's how you got to go out. | ||
| That's like the dream scenario. | ||
| It's perfect. | ||
| It's perfect. | ||
| So they went to war, and Paul hurt him. | ||
| Paul hurt him bad. | ||
| The way Paul punches, I mean, it's fucking amazing. | ||
| Look at that. | ||
| I mean, he almost head kicked him there when he was down. | ||
| Is that illegal back then? | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| It was illegal back then. | ||
| It's not illegal at one FC, though. | ||
| But here's the thing. | ||
| Paul, while he's doing this, is like unloading the gas tank. | ||
| Every shot is full clip. | ||
| So he's essentially sprinting. | ||
| And that is like one of Nick Diaz's things. | ||
| He talks shit to you, and he never throws full blast. | ||
| So he's hitting you with like 60%, 50%. | ||
| He's touching you. | ||
| He's touching you. | ||
| But he's talking a lot of shit. | ||
| He's there at the finish line. | ||
| So even when he's throwing these kicks, he's not throwing them with everything he's got. | ||
| But Paul is already tired. | ||
| Like, Paul just sprinted trying to get Nick out of there because he gets everybody out of there. | ||
| Everybody who stands in front of him, he was blasting. | ||
| And this fight goes into deep water in this first round. | ||
| And Nick starts seeing him slow down, so he starts attacking him. | ||
| And right when you think that Paul's done, you know, Paul's like taking a little break. | ||
| Paul clips him again and hurts him again in the fight. | ||
| I mean, it was one of the best performances of Nick Diaz's career. | ||
| And people that know how good Nick is, a lot of people don't know him from these days, from the Strikeforce days. | ||
| That looks slow on TV, but I bet you in real life it's like he's fucking whipping you. | ||
| Oh yeah, and he knows like when to throw hard, right? | ||
| Like half the time he's pity-patting you, but when he's got openings, he throws hard. | ||
| And so he winds up on the bottom here. | ||
| But this is like, the problem was, you know, Chael Sonnen once said, like, if you don't win by knockout, and you try to win by knockout, you're definitely going to lose by decision. | ||
| And that's kind of like what happened in this fight. | ||
| Like, look at Paul, he's so tired. | ||
| I had them legs done. | ||
| Yeah, he's so tired. | ||
| And Nick knows it, too. | ||
| So look, he's throwing kicks at him. | ||
| And Nick is a guy that swam back and forth from... | ||
| Look, he clipped him again, though. | ||
| See? | ||
| Dropped him again. | ||
| And, you know, maybe if Paul had dropped him early in the fight like that, and he got him in this position, he would have been able to really hurt him. | ||
| But... | ||
| Nick has swam back from Alcatraz five times. | ||
| His cardio is fucking crazy. | ||
| He does triathlons. | ||
| How far is that? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| It's like at least a mile in the water. | ||
| I would say the current is super strong. | ||
| And it's filled with great white sharks. | ||
| But the point is, it's like, Nick had phenomenal cardio. | ||
| That was one of his biggest weapons, as it could keep the heat on you. | ||
| 2 to 2.5 miles. | ||
| How does the distance change? | ||
| Fuck. | ||
| The current pushes you. | ||
| So look at the current works. | ||
| So you're not in a straight shot. | ||
| You're getting pushed away. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| That's pretty wild. | ||
| That's pretty wild. | ||
| Look how far you actually have to go. | ||
| Maybe nothing. | ||
| I'm just going to go for a little swim today. | ||
| But it's filled with sharks. | ||
| That's the thing. | ||
| That's where sharks breed. | ||
| There's a shitload of sharks up there. | ||
| They find them all the time with drones. | ||
| It's really spooky because people don't even know. | ||
| They'd be walking around next to the... | ||
| And they fly a drone over them. | ||
| And you see like a fucking 15-foot shark just swimming around with people. | ||
| Yeah, see, boy, we don't fuck with the ocean like that, man. | ||
| I get my toes wet, you know, I enjoy the waves, enjoy the smell of the salt water, but ankle deep is about as far as I'm going. | ||
| I'm with you. | ||
| I will do a little bit of snorkeling near coral reefs, like if I'm on vacation, as long as I get like 100% confirmation there's no sharks in this area. | ||
| There's a lot of stuff in there that they can get me. | ||
| Take my chances online, man. | ||
| It's dangerous enough out here. | ||
| The thing about it is you can't move good in there. | ||
| That's what's fucked. | ||
| You can't get away. | ||
| Whatever it is, if it pulls you under, even if you don't bleed to death or lose your leg or whatever, you're going to drown, which is probably one of the worst ways to fucking die outside of being burned alive. | ||
| They say it's one of the most peaceful ways because you just kind of black out. | ||
| I'm going to panic a lot before I black out. | ||
| I'm going to exert a lot and swallow a lot of water before I black out. | ||
| Yeah, it's not fun, but it's like, those fights, like, it's interesting to me the different kind of styles, right? | ||
| Like, there's the guys that sprint, and they can get guys out of there in the first round, and then there's guys that just, like, slowly start putting heat on you and cooking you, and then they come after you. | ||
| Yeah, and then, yeah. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I like the brawlers. | ||
| But there is something to be appreciated for, like, the technicians. | ||
| Like the Adesanya's and, you know, the McGregor's and stuff like that. | ||
| It's a really interesting fight this weekend. | ||
| Jared Cannoneer, yeah, that is about as big as a 185-pound man gets. | ||
| Yeah, and I think he's like super deceptively long. | ||
| Like, he's short. | ||
| I think he's only 5'8", 5'9", or 5'10", something like that. | ||
| But dude, I bet you he could scratch his kneecap standing up. | ||
| I think he's bigger than that. | ||
| I think Jared is, I think he's six feet tall. | ||
| How tall is Kananir? | ||
| 5'9"? | ||
| Really? | ||
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Wow. | |
| I'm confused. | ||
| He used to be a heavyweight. | ||
| That's why I'm thinking it. | ||
| Because, you know, Jared started off his career as a heavyweight. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And then got down to 205 and then now... | ||
| But look at his reach. | ||
| He's 5'9 with a 77.5 reach. | ||
| Yeah, that is a long reach. | ||
| The thing about Jared is, like, he's so fucking shredded and lean and strong. | ||
| Like, that guy has serious power. | ||
| Like, serious, serious power. | ||
| Don't sleep. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But I think the problem is I don't think anybody controls the distance as good as Adesanya does. | ||
| No, he's the most sophisticated striker the sport's ever seen, in my opinion. | ||
| He's set shit up. | ||
| He's reading you. | ||
| He's probing you. | ||
| You know when you really see it? | ||
| The Paulo Costa fight. | ||
| Because Paulo Costa was just steamrolling. | ||
| Everybody just come forward, steamroll, steamroll. | ||
| And Izzy just picked him apart. | ||
| Yeah, from a distance. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I think the only person who, like... | ||
| Not the only person who gave him trouble, but was Kelvin Gastelum. | ||
| Kelvin gave him some trouble. | ||
| Kind of like blitzed him a lot. | ||
| Well, Kelvin, you know, especially then in that fight, you know, Kelvin has had some good fights and bad fights, but in that fight, Kelvin was at the top of his fucking game. | ||
| I don't think Cantoneer has that same speed changeup that Calvin does. | ||
| Calvin has very smooth and efficient hands. | ||
| When Calvin throws his hands in combination, the knockout of Bisping, that straight left, he's so efficient. | ||
| Everything is so smooth. | ||
| He's a lot bigger than you would think. | ||
| He trains at fight ready too. | ||
| So it says he's 6 feet tall. | ||
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I don't know. | |
| Maybe it was saying 5.9 instead of actually 5.9 on that other thing. | ||
| Oh, that makes sense. | ||
| So almost 6 feet tall. | ||
| And here it says 6 feet tall. | ||
| He's definitely not 5.9. | ||
| That makes more sense. | ||
| Yeah, because I'm like, I think he's bigger than that, because when he was heavyweight, he was a big guy. | ||
| Either way, it's an interesting fight. | ||
| Skill-wise, as far as the sophistication of the striking, Izzy is the man. | ||
| But Jared is a dangerous guy. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| He knocks a lot of fucking people out, and he knocked out Blond Brunson. | ||
| I mean, Derek Bronson, when he was blonde, was... | ||
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Speaking of that, he's 6'1". | |
| Bronson is? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| So he looks a couple inches taller than... | ||
| But who knows who has shoes on? | ||
| Sometimes, because if Jared is weighing in last, that means Jared might not have put his shoes back on. | ||
| It's hard to tell. | ||
| It's hard to tell. | ||
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It has enough, 5'11". | |
| 5'11". | ||
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Okay. | |
| Okay, well, whatever. | ||
| Whatever he is, he's awesome. | ||
| And he's 37, huh? | ||
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I used to picture him as a heavyweight, too. | |
| Interesting. | ||
| This is his first title shot, too. | ||
| Yeah, he was way bigger. | ||
| He's all shredded now. | ||
| But he's, again, he's 185 for about an hour. | ||
| He's another one. | ||
| Yeah, I wonder when he walks back into the... | ||
| He looks big. | ||
| He looks big. | ||
| And it's like he's very durable and very strong. | ||
| And the knockout of Brunson was a big one. | ||
| Because Derek, you know, when he's blonde Brunson, blonde Brunson was... | ||
| Superhero. | ||
| He was on a roll, man, you know? | ||
| You know, he beat a lot of tough, tough guys, you know? | ||
| That's an interesting fight. | ||
| There's two really interesting fights on the card other than the main event. | ||
| To me, it's Alex Pereira and Sean Strickland. | ||
| That's where the rubber hits the road. | ||
| Those motherfuckers are going to meet in the middle and let them ride. | ||
| We're going to find out. | ||
| Zero takedown attempts in that fight. | ||
| Unless Strickland gets hit. | ||
| If Strickland gets hit and he gets cracked, I guarantee that Strickland can fight on the ground. | ||
| He's got a ground game. | ||
| He's got a ground game. | ||
| And Mikolaitis, how do you say his name? | ||
| He was able to take Pereira down. | ||
| Oh, the Greek guy. | ||
| And Pereira won in the second round with that crazy flying knee. | ||
| That was his first fight in the UFC, right? | ||
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Yeah, that was his first fight in the UFC. In Madison Square Garden. | |
| Now he's got his feet wet a little bit. | ||
| Bruno Silva, he just fought, desperately tried to take him down. | ||
| That guy's a bad motherfucker. | ||
| Bruno Silva can crack. | ||
| He's a really good striker, and he hit Alex. | ||
| He hit Alex with some good shots. | ||
| There was a point where he was like, dude, fuck this stand-up shit. | ||
| But he couldn't take him down, dude. | ||
| He had him up against a cage out in space, and he did a really good job staying on his feet. | ||
| Well, what Alex has done that's very interesting to me is he teamed up with Glover. | ||
| And when he teamed up with Glover, I mean, it's an interesting camp. | ||
| Like, who's going to Connecticut to fight for world titles, right? | ||
| Glover. | ||
| And Glover's resurgence all coincides with him training with Alex. | ||
| Really? | ||
| When Alex came and started training with him, that's when Glover really made, like, his last run and got to the title and beat Yon. | ||
| Why do you think that is? | ||
| That's all connected. | ||
| Because I think iron sharpens iron. | ||
| I think he needed a fucking assassin in camp with him, like a young assassin like Pereira. | ||
| But do you think they spar heavy, like beat the shit out of each other? | ||
| Probably not, right? | ||
| Probably not. | ||
| Probably drill a little bit more. | ||
| Not at 42? | ||
| Probably not. | ||
| Strickland does, though. | ||
| That motherfucker travels just to spar. | ||
| Apparently that's all he wants to do, is just spar all day, hard. | ||
| He spars hard all day. | ||
| Spars with everybody. | ||
| I believe it. | ||
| You know, I mean, Bobby Green said it. | ||
| Bobby Green's, like, trained with him and seeing, like, what he does. | ||
| He's like, that motherfucker goes hard with everybody. | ||
| He just goes hard. | ||
| I've seen Eric Nixick post a picture of him sparring with Ningano. | ||
| He's like, dude, he's the only motherfucker in the gym who seeks that guy out. | ||
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Jesus Christ. | |
| Yeah, I sparred with that dude one time. | ||
| I was like, listen, dude, you're a fucking big motherfucker. | ||
| I'm not a big motherfucker. | ||
| So, you know, he's like, ho, ho, you won't die. | ||
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But... | |
| Getting hurt, that's another thing. | ||
| I was like... | ||
| Haha, you won't die. | ||
| Yeah, I was like, ah, but maybe. | ||
| Meanwhile, he's saying this. | ||
| He's fucking got someone else's blood all over his rash guard and shit. | ||
| So I was like, dude. | ||
| So when the round started, I tried to grab him. | ||
| And of course, you know, he sprawled. | ||
| And I spent the whole time in half guard with him beating my body up. | ||
| And he's like, oh, you thought that'd be easy, huh? | ||
| I was like, no, dude, I didn't. | ||
| I didn't. | ||
| I thought it was just the lesser of two evils. | ||
| Either you doing that or you thumping me in my head. | ||
| Well, Strickland was brought in to help Johnny Elbin, who just beat Gegard Mousasi for the Bellator middleweight championship. | ||
| Did you watch that fight? | ||
| I haven't. | ||
| I saw the eclipse that he was fucking putting up work in. | ||
| I was very impressed. | ||
| Very impressed. | ||
| Because Gegard... | ||
| And Musashi's nice, man. | ||
| Very nice. | ||
| He is one of the best middleweights on earth. | ||
| And Johnny won every fucking round. | ||
| Every fucking round. | ||
| He was hurting him, too. | ||
| Hurt him, dropped him early in the first round. | ||
| Had him really badly hurt. | ||
| Took him down. | ||
| Dominated him on the ground. | ||
| I mean, won every fucking round. | ||
| And there was a fight where he was like a big underdog coming into that fight. | ||
| For good reason. | ||
| Those are the fights I like to bet on, though. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| If I see plus 900, I'm throwing something at it. | ||
| Every rip. | ||
| Yeah, well, in that one, a lot of people were, like, really high on Elbin going into that fight. | ||
| And that's one of the reasons why I was so interested in it. | ||
| Like, a lot of those ATT guys were very high on him. | ||
| And this is after, you know, Gegard had destroyed Austin Vanderfold. | ||
| He fucked him up quick. | ||
| And so a lot of people... | ||
| And then Gegard was saying after the fight, like, I am the best middleweight on earth. | ||
| And he's the guy that I was always like, damn, I wish he hadn't gone over to Bellator. | ||
| Because, like, he had beat Chris Weidman. | ||
| How many fights does he have? | ||
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Gegard? | |
| That dude's like 47 and 10 or something. | ||
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Bro, he beat Mark Hunt. | |
| I'm pretty sure he submitted him, if I remember correctly. | ||
| I think he upkicked him and caught him with a triangle or something. | ||
| I'm trying to remember what the fuck happened in that fight. | ||
| But he can do everything. | ||
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Yeah, yeah. | |
| Gengard can do everything. | ||
| Really well, too. | ||
| And you look at him, he looks like the guy who's here to fix your fucking computer. | ||
| You know? | ||
| He wears glasses, too, right? | ||
| He looks so unassuming. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And even the way he talks, so unassuming. | ||
| That's the cool thing about, like, jiu-jitsu and martial arts or whatever. | ||
| Like, boxers, like, motherfuckers look like they're athletes. | ||
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Straight arm bar. | |
| Caught him with an arm bar. | ||
| Oh, it was, um... | ||
| You know who he... | ||
| He beat Jacare. | ||
| He KO'd him with an upkick. | ||
| That's what it is. | ||
| I'm, uh... | ||
| And he beat Melvin Manhoof with a triangle. | ||
| Man, he's beat everybody. | ||
| Dennis Kang. | ||
| Jesus Christ. | ||
| He's beat everybody, man. | ||
| He beat Lombard. | ||
| What's his record? | ||
| Something preposterous. | ||
| It's like 49-8-2 or something like that. | ||
| Jesus Christ. | ||
| 49 wins. | ||
| 28 knockouts. | ||
| So Austin VanderFold, John Stalter, Douglas Lima, and Lyoto Machida. | ||
| And he lost to Lovato. | ||
| And that was an interesting fight. | ||
| He was complaining that he thought Lovato was on steroids. | ||
| But that's just because when you clinch up with a guy like Lovato, multiple-time world jiu-jitsu champion, your ego does not want you to believe that the guy's that strong. | ||
| Or that good that I grappled with, Lovato. | ||
| And I was like, this is like the... | ||
| He could kill me if he was. | ||
| It was like nothing. | ||
| And he was like effortless. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He was just kind of like floating around. | ||
| And who else is like that is Gordon Ryan. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| I was like, dude, this motherfucker is like mauling me right now. | ||
| I'm trying. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And he's just... | ||
| Yeah, his heart rate barely goes up. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| All right, it's time for you to tap now, buddy. | ||
| It's fucking... | ||
| I know Isn't it interesting when someone does that when you roll with somebody and they just kind of baby you and they're still like completely in control That's the levels of jujitsu that are so disconcerting. | ||
| Because you feel like, oh, I'm at a pretty good level. | ||
| You know, I can defend. | ||
| You know, I'll be fine. | ||
| So you think. | ||
| That's also the cool thing about MMA. There's not a whole lot of, like, there's a lot more humble people in. | ||
| Because you know, I get choked out on a daily basis, so I know that I can get fucked up. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like in a locker room, you know, there's like three or four alpha males. | ||
| No one ever tries them, so they don't even know. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Some dude who looks like Gengar Musasa will fuck you up and choke you unconscious or knock you out. | ||
| There's nothing you can do about it. | ||
| If you saw Austin Vanderford right next to Gegard, you're like, oh, this gorilla with the fucking ears and the tattoos all over his neck. | ||
| That guy's going to win. | ||
| That guy looks like a killer fighter. | ||
| And Gegard just lit him up on fire. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And even the way he talks, everything like nice and soft, you know? | ||
| There's a cool thing about jiu-jitsu, dude, it's like, you can't just look at somebody and be like, you know, brush them off. | ||
| Like, dude, I'm gonna fucking grab your neck, it's over with. | ||
| Oh, there's a ton of guys that are like nerd assassins. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| They're built like techs. | ||
| Like a Ryan Hall. | ||
| Yes, perfect example. | ||
| Dude, I fucking got sperm bigger than you do. | ||
| Chill out. | ||
| Chill out. | ||
| Yeah, but those guys, when you actually roll with them, it's so confusing. | ||
| It's the beautiful art because with jiu-jitsu, it's the one martial art where the big guy can get dominated by the little guy. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Because the reality is, any other world where a guy the size of, say, Michael Chandler has zero chance against a guy the size of Francis Ngannou. | ||
| Zero. | ||
| Like, zero. | ||
| Like, if they're sparring. | ||
| Like, if they're just going to throw hands... | ||
| He has zero chance. | ||
| I'm putting all my chips on the big guy. | ||
| All of them. | ||
| But in jiu-jitsu, if you get a guy like Charles Oliveira, who's that good at jiu-jitsu, he could strangle a fucking heavyweight. | ||
| And I've seen it. | ||
| I've seen it happen. | ||
| Oh yeah, I've seen it. | ||
| A guy who doesn't know jiu-jitsu gets, and he's rolling, just doing jiu-jitsu with a guy like him, and he gets your back. | ||
| Olivera's jiu-jitsu is some of the best I've ever seen in MMA. Seamless. | ||
| It's like world championship caliber jiu-jitsu jiu-jitsu, but he's doing it in an MMA match. | ||
| He's the one guy where it doesn't matter what happens in the fight. | ||
| If you go to the ground with him, you're in deep shit. | ||
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Yeah, yeah. | |
| Like that Dustin Poirier fight? | ||
| They're all scared to do it. | ||
| Yes! | ||
| Like Gaethje had him hurt, and he's like, no, no, no. | ||
| Well, you see what happened when he dropped Gaethje and then he got on top of him. | ||
| He just strangles you. | ||
| He just goes straight to it. | ||
| I think he's had a resurgence, too, because I remember when he kind of got on this roll, they were like, oh, dude, no, I don't think so, because he's a quitter. | ||
| He's weak. | ||
| I'm like, all right, dude, fuck that. | ||
| Isn't that interesting? | ||
| I wonder what it is that changes in a fighter. | ||
| Is it a mindset thing? | ||
| I don't know what it is, but something happens where some guys just don't quit anymore. | ||
| They just get to this level and something changes. | ||
| So my wife grew up with Oliveira in Guadagia, Brazil. | ||
| And so she knows him really well and he just kind of eliminated all the negative people out of his life. | ||
| Really? | ||
| So I guess probably started taking training more seriously, you know, put more time and effort in the gym and not so much into other people. | ||
| Now he's knocking people out. | ||
| Yeah, knocking people out, strangling people. | ||
| It was the most submissions ever in the history of the sport. | ||
| He's the one guy that I really wish Khabib would have fought. | ||
| Like, now. | ||
| Like, if Khabib was going to come back... | ||
| And I wonder, I mean, I'm very interested in Khabib versus Islam Makachev. | ||
| Because that's, to me, that's the big fight in lightweight. | ||
| Khabib or Charles? | ||
| Did I say Khabib? | ||
| I meant Charles. | ||
| I meant Oliveira. | ||
| Oliveira versus Islam Makachev. | ||
| But if Islam Makachev loses to Charles Oliveira... | ||
| Then, if Khabib had like one more in him... | ||
| You don't think there's a price tag they could throw at him? | ||
| That's what I'm saying. | ||
| Break the bank. | ||
| Bro, he's as heavy as you right now, though. | ||
| That's fine. | ||
| Hey, baby, money's a motivator. | ||
| I know, and it's a motivator. | ||
| Throw a couple of M's at him, he's like, shit, I'll get down. | ||
| We can even do it at 70. It doesn't even matter. | ||
| I don't know if he's motivated by money. | ||
| You don't think so? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| He's an interesting guy. | ||
| I mean, to be as dominant as Khabib was for as long as he is, and, you know, super religious. | ||
| Guy drives a Toyota truck, you know, worth millions of dollars. | ||
| Everything's got a price tag. | ||
| I know. | ||
| Everything's got a price tag. | ||
| But I wonder. | ||
| I wonder what that price tag is. | ||
| Like, what is it? | ||
| Is it 50? | ||
| Like, what is it? | ||
| What's the sound? | ||
| Like, what's the number that has to come out before it's like the record skips? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| What did you say? | ||
| Say that again. | ||
| All right, cool. | ||
| How long did you say? | ||
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When? | |
| $60 million. | ||
| Yeah, dude. | ||
| Anybody on planet Earth. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I wonder. | ||
| You know, because there's paydays that happen, you know, like when Pacquiao fought Floyd, you know, when Conor fought Floyd. | ||
| Floyd's obviously been involved in most of the big, big, big, big paydays. | ||
| But there's paydays that happen where you go, ooh. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, he gets a lot of shit. | ||
| People say he's not smart. | ||
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Floyd? | |
| I don't know, like, what his reading level is, but business mind? | ||
| Dude, the dude's fucking smart as shit. | ||
| Saying he's not smart because he doesn't have a high reading level, because he doesn't read a lot, is like saying that someone who's like really good at something else, like really good at playing chess, but sucks at jiu-jitsu is dumb because they suck at jiu-jitsu. | ||
| It's like, how much time has he spent trying to read? | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| Almost none, right? | ||
| But how much time has he spent at boxing? | ||
| Fucking his whole life. | ||
| You can't be that good at boxing and not be smart. | ||
| It's not possible. | ||
| Even the business aspect. | ||
| He bought himself out of his contract for $250,000 and then a few years later ends up fighting for $300,000. | ||
| Who's the dummy? | ||
| Well, he's smart enough to know how good he is. | ||
| He was talking about Triple G, because Triple G's about to fight Canelo. | ||
| And he's like, even at 40 years old, he's easy. | ||
| He goes, Triple G ain't nothing. | ||
| He's not nothing special. | ||
| He's easy. | ||
| And the way he said it, it's like, I don't think he's bragging. | ||
| I believe you. | ||
| He pieced up Canelo, man. | ||
| When he fought Canelo, he gave him a boxing lesson. | ||
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What do you think happens now? | |
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| You know, like, Floyd is 40, and he also hasn't really been fighting. | ||
| I mean, he's been fighting, but he's fighting guys like Logan Paul. | ||
| Exhibitions. | ||
| I mean, when he was fighting in Japan, he actually walked around, or in Saudi Arabia, he walked around with, was it Dubai? | ||
| Where the fuck did he fight? | ||
| When he fought that exhibition. | ||
| He walked around with a ring card girl's card. | ||
| He took her card and he walked around with three rounds. | ||
| He was having a good time entertaining the crowd. | ||
| So he's more of like a showman now. | ||
| He fought that Tenshin Nasukawa. | ||
| That guy weighs like 125 pounds. | ||
| That guy's tiny. | ||
| That was like a crazy fight. | ||
| But... | ||
| Made a lot of money. | ||
| Time wins. | ||
| Father time wins. | ||
| Father time wins. | ||
| But the guy doesn't drink. | ||
| He's always in phenomenal shape. | ||
| Still stays in condition. | ||
| Still sparring in the gym. | ||
| Still working out. | ||
| Bernard Hopkins had some of his best fights in his 40s. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| And it's because Bernard was super disciplined. | ||
| Always super disciplined. | ||
| Bernard was never out of shape. | ||
| Bernard never ate bullshit. | ||
| And Bernard fought with a very defensive-minded, very intelligent strategy. | ||
| Really aware. | ||
| Knew exactly what he was doing at every moment. | ||
| Never opened up. | ||
| Bernard Hopkins never like wide swinging punches. | ||
| Everything was this and here. | ||
| Structurally sound. | ||
| Perfect. | ||
| Very defensively responsible. | ||
| I don't know how people do that. | ||
| Whenever I train, I can do it for a short period of time when I'm not training, dude. | ||
| Or getting ready for a fight in particular. | ||
| Yeah, I'll still stay in shape, but not fighting shape. | ||
| But dude, I gotta have a drink or eat bullshit. | ||
| It's good for the soul, man. | ||
| Those guys must not have souls. | ||
| Well, some of the greats agreed with you, like Roberto Duran. | ||
| Roberto Duran, like one of the greats of all time. | ||
| Unnegotiable. | ||
| No one will disagree. | ||
| And Roberto got fat as fuck in between fights. | ||
| That's how Sugar Ray got him the second time. | ||
| He gave him a short amount of time to get ready and Roberto was really fat. | ||
| He was like 190 pounds. | ||
| I feel like they made a movie. | ||
| About that. | ||
| Well, it's a documentary. | ||
| The Four Kings. | ||
| That's what it is, right? | ||
| Isn't that a Showtime documentary? | ||
| Isn't it called Four Kings? | ||
| It's about Sugar Ray, Thomas Hearns, Roberta Duran, and Marvin Hagler. | ||
| It's phenomenal. | ||
| Might have to check it out. | ||
| If you are a boxing fan, it's phenomenal. | ||
| Because those guys were just all going back and forth with each other. | ||
| What's it? | ||
| Is that what it's called? | ||
| The Four Kings? | ||
| I think that's what it is. | ||
| It's a Showtime documentary. | ||
| Yeah? | ||
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Yeah, there's a book called Four Kings. | |
| The Kings is all it is. | ||
| Oh, it's The Kings? | ||
| That's what it is? | ||
| Okay. | ||
| But, um, it's about those guys. | ||
| There it is. | ||
| The Kings. | ||
| Fucking great. | ||
| I can't recommend it enough. | ||
| If you want to get excited about working out, watch that. | ||
| Because in their primes, man, god damn, there were some fights. | ||
| When Roberto Duran beat Sugar Ray Leonard in Montreal, holy shit. | ||
| Holy shit. | ||
| Marvin was always my favorite when I was a kid because I lived in Boston and he was... | ||
| Is he from Boston? | ||
| Yeah, he's from Brockton. | ||
| He was the man. | ||
| He was the... | ||
| I mean, that was the guy representing Boston on the world map of boxing. | ||
| Did he always live and train in Boston? | ||
| Oh yeah, he would go to the Cape. | ||
| It was like a famous story. | ||
| We tried to find it, but I watched this thing when I was a kid. | ||
| It was like a news story, and Marvin was training for a Mustafa Ham show, and he was running on the beach, and it was like freezing cold out, and he was running in combat boots. | ||
| He would run in combat boots. | ||
| Those ankle weights? | ||
| I guess he just wanted to... | ||
| He was like he was going to war. | ||
| So he put these boots on. | ||
| He was running on the beach in boots. | ||
| And he was screaming war. | ||
| Really? | ||
| To this day, man. | ||
| I was like... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I was like 16 or 17. And I was watching. | ||
| I was like, fuck. | ||
| They filmed him doing it? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| He was running on the beach going... | ||
| And he was the champ. | ||
| It was Marvin Hagler. | ||
| And it's just like, the discipline that he had. | ||
| That guy was in phenomenal shape. | ||
| And he would put a pace on people, man. | ||
| He was an excellent boxer, the best switch hitter in the game at the time. | ||
| And his workout routine, his calisthenics routine was legendary. | ||
| I mean, that guy was always in tip-top shape. | ||
| Again, never got fat, never got out of shape. | ||
| He was phenomenal. | ||
| In his prime, he was phenomenal. | ||
| And when he finally beat Tommy Hearns, when he knocked out Tommy Hearns in one of the greatest fights of all time, that was when he finally got his due. | ||
| But his physique, I mean, Marvin was fucking shredded. | ||
| And you know there was like he had a chip on his shoulder too because like for years and years He was winning and beating everybody who's the champ, but didn't quite get his due Yeah, you know like he always felt like they passed him by when they were glorifying Sugar Ray or glorifying Tommy Hearns Those most dangerous motherfuckers somebody fighting for something. | ||
| Yeah, you know put some respect on Monday Yeah, he always had a chip on his shoulder, and I think he needed that chip to get, you know, really ramped up about stuff. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| You know, but fuck, man. | ||
| Some of his fights, John the Beast Mugabe, when he knocked out Mugabe. | ||
| Did you ever see that guy fight? | ||
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Uh-uh. | |
| John the Beast Mugabe was terrifying. | ||
| He was a murderous puncher, and he was knocking everybody out. | ||
| But the thing about Hagler was, one of the things about him was his chin was incredible. | ||
| They did an analysis. | ||
| I think they did an MRI on him or something. | ||
| But they found out that the muscles on the sides of his head were three times larger than a normal person. | ||
| So he had built-in head guard. | ||
| Hagler had muscles on the side of his fucking head. | ||
| Do you think he developed that? | ||
| Could be. | ||
| Could be. | ||
| If you think if you had a mouthpiece in all the time and you're biting down, think of that. | ||
| There are muscles there. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| You know? | ||
| When you see someone like your jaw muscles, you definitely can develop jaw muscles. | ||
| I know there's a lot of people have done workouts where they take like an elastic band and they'll wrap it in like athletic tape and they clamp down on it. | ||
| And then they'll pull and they'll do things with their jaw to develop their jaw muscles. | ||
| You think it's like works your neck out too? | ||
| It does work your neck out a little, but the best thing for the neck is something that, you know, is just, you're just using your neck. | ||
| Or an iron neck. | ||
| You use an iron neck. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, uh-huh. | ||
| Yeah, that thing's the best thing for the neck. | ||
| I think your, like the strength of your neck has a lot to do... | ||
| Like, I don't know if it's like maybe your neck, like it absorbs it better or it keeps it from like whipping too hard when you get hit. | ||
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100%. | |
| That's it. | ||
| I just think that, you know, there's a correlation between like the strength of your neck and how durable you could be. | ||
| Definitely. | ||
| Definitely. | ||
| Yeah, no doubt. | ||
| There's certain shots where you can get hit where it doesn't matter, like temple shots. | ||
| Temple shots are weird. | ||
| Like on the tip of your chin? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's weird. | ||
| The human body's not designed to get hit. | ||
| There's vulnerable spots. | ||
| Dude, it's crazy. | ||
| I think humans are the most durable and fragile thing ever. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You hear somebody getting hit by a car and he's like, oh shit. | ||
| Somebody step off a curb and tear their ACL or break their leg. | ||
| I'm like, how the fuck did that happen? | ||
| Well, we vary a lot. | ||
| That was the thing about Hagler. | ||
| No one could hurt him. | ||
| Even Tommy Hearns broke his hand on him in that fight. | ||
| But Mugabe hit him with an uppercut, snapped Hagler's head back, and Hagler just kept moving forward. | ||
| You could see Mugabe like, what the fuck? | ||
| And he eventually stopped him. | ||
| The only guy that ever knocked him down was Juan Roldan. | ||
| And Juan Roldan was a bullshit knockdown. | ||
| He, like, kind of, like, cuffed him behind the head. | ||
| And pulled him down. | ||
| And pulled him down. | ||
| They called it a knockdown. | ||
| And Hagler got up and was like, what the fuck? | ||
| And they called it a knockdown. | ||
| It's fucked up. | ||
| It's fucked up because, like, that was his career. | ||
| Like, the guy never got knocked down. | ||
| And this was one bullshit knockdown. | ||
| And then he wound up stopping and rolled down in that fight. | ||
| Uh, what do you think about Colby and, uh, Ushman? | ||
| You think Colby took Ushman down at the account as two points? | ||
| Yeah, Colby took him down. | ||
| If DC says he took him down, he took him down. | ||
| That's two! | ||
| He says zero takedowns. | ||
| Yeah, that's not correct. | ||
| I'd go with Cormier. | ||
| You go with the Olympic wrestler. | ||
| The Olympic wrestler says he took him down. | ||
| Look, Colby's a hell of a fucking wrestler. | ||
| He's a hell of a fighter. | ||
| And maybe he would be the champ if it wasn't for Usman, but he's in that Usman era. | ||
| Yeah, poor him. | ||
| It's funny because Usman tells everybody, like, that's my gatekeeper. | ||
| You gotta beat Kobe if you want to shout out the title. | ||
| And then Kobe's like, fuck! | ||
| Because it's like, you know, he's got a point. | ||
| Yeah, sure, he got him twice. | ||
| He beat him twice. | ||
| And, you know... | ||
| There were good fights, but it was clear who won. | ||
| The first one, he stopped him. | ||
| The second one, he dropped him, hurt him bad twice. | ||
| I mean, he's the fucking man. | ||
| His hands got real fucking good, too. | ||
| He used to just wrestle people, and that's why he probably had that 10-fight win streak before he got a title fight, because no one wants to just watch somebody wrestle, and he started putting hands on people. | ||
| Oh, shit, okay. | ||
| Well, he got the 10-fight win streak before he got a shot at the title because nobody wanted to fight him. | ||
| He was mauling everybody. | ||
| The thing about Usman is, if you watch up until the Colby fights, nobody's even really given him a hard time. | ||
| Colby at least gave him some hard rounds. | ||
| But everybody else gets mauled. | ||
| I mean, what he did to Tyron Woodley to win the title, like, shit, we never saw anybody do that to Tyron before that. | ||
| Man, it's crazy. | ||
| You see some of these guys, like, they're beating... | ||
| The ease in which they're beating the top guys. | ||
| How is he that much better? | ||
| And it's not like an attribute thing, right? | ||
| Everybody at the top is big, strong, fast, has all the attributes. | ||
| There's something else, probably mentally, that they do for preparation or whatever. | ||
| Because you have to be consistent, too. | ||
| There's some guys like, oh, he's really good, but sometimes he don't show up on fight night. | ||
| And these motherfuckers are showing up every night against every opponent. | ||
| And I think that's the difference between a mid-tier guy and the 1% of the 1%. | ||
| It's the guys who show up consistently and can perform in any situation, adverse situation. | ||
| And some of these guys like Ushman, Adesanya, all of the other... | ||
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Khabib. | |
| Yeah, they do it with ease. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| What the fuck? | ||
| Well, I mean, Adesanya's had tough fights, right? | ||
| He lost to Jan Bohovic. | ||
| That was a tough fight. | ||
| And, you know, he's had, like, difficult moments inside the octagon, but figured it out. | ||
| But Khabib never even had a tough moment. | ||
| Yeah, I'm not even sure he's ever been hit. | ||
| He got hit. | ||
| Michael Johnson. | ||
| Johnson cracked him. | ||
| He hit him with a good punch and rocked him a little, but then he wound up beating the shit out of Johnson and saying, you gotta quit. | ||
| I need the title fight. | ||
| You know I deserve this. | ||
| You know I deserve this. | ||
| That's gotta be demoralizing. | ||
| He's like, fuck, dude. | ||
| You know, you might have a point. | ||
| That was one of those moments where I'm like, please tap. | ||
| Please tap. | ||
| Because I was waiting for that. | ||
| When Frank Mir fought Noguera and snapped his arm, when he had him in that full Kimura, I'm like, Jesus Christ, Johnson. | ||
| Please tap. | ||
| Please tap. | ||
| Because it's coming. | ||
| The same with Makachev and Dan Hooker. | ||
| When Makachev had Dan Hooker like that, I'm like, oh, please tap. | ||
| Please tap. | ||
| Because that Kimura, when you don't tap, that is a nasty brain. | ||
| Yeah, that spiral. | ||
| It's like the worst one you can have outside of a compound. | ||
| Yeah, when that thing snaps, too, it's like, now you're fucked for maybe the rest of your life. | ||
| Dude, when Frank Mirra did that to Noguera, Noguera just kind of got up and was like, I don't know if that's right, but... | ||
| Are you not in pain right now, dude? | ||
| Does that shit not hurt? | ||
| Because it looks like it hurts. | ||
| Well, how about when Muniz did it to Jacare? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, we could hear that one, like... | ||
| Was it No Crowd? | ||
| Was it in the Apex? | ||
| I don't remember. | ||
| I feel like that one would echo. | ||
| It was loud. | ||
| It was loud. | ||
| Whatever it was was loud. | ||
| Like you could hear the crack. | ||
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But you could also see the arm give in. | |
| And he's been in that position. | ||
| He gets to that position multiple times. | ||
| He got me like that. | ||
| I ain't gonna let him break my shit though. | ||
| Here it is. | ||
| So he rolls and see Jacare's right arm is fucked right now. | ||
| And watch how he turns. | ||
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Watch this. | |
| That just fucking hurts watching it. | ||
| Was he the best Jiu Jitsu guy you've ever fought, Muniz? | ||
| By far and away, for sure. | ||
| What was it like? | ||
| He wasn't super strong. | ||
| He was just a step ahead. | ||
| He was on my back, fell off my back, and I thought that he... | ||
| Because he had my leg, too. | ||
| So I was kind of doing a split, so I thought he was going for that... | ||
| That knee bar off the back? | ||
| I don't know what it is. | ||
| Funkmaster hit it on Cody Stamen. | ||
| Yeah, that knee bar. | ||
| I was like, nah, I ain't going out like that. | ||
| But then he tucked my hand into his hip, and then... | ||
| I didn't even realize. | ||
| It's great because I prepared for that arm bar. | ||
| I knew that that was his thing, but I thought he was going for the leg and I'd be able to post and get up. | ||
| His face was right there, so I was like, maybe I can get it with my arm. | ||
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I was like, shit, it's too late. | |
| Fuck, fuck, fuck. | ||
| And it kind of sucks because you're like thinking about it. | ||
| It's like, damn, I'm kind of stuck here. | ||
| My arm's not broke yet, but it's hurting. | ||
| Should I just let it break? | ||
| Should I just... | ||
| No, I think... | ||
| I think I'll tap and save my arm. | ||
| Yeah, fuck that, man. | ||
| In like a, you know, millisecond. | ||
| All those thoughts go through your head as your arms like... | ||
| Alright, dude, fuck it. | ||
| Especially with that guy, because you've seen him break arms. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know? | ||
| Like Frank Mir. | ||
| If that guy gets your arm, just tap. | ||
| Me broke two arms. | ||
| Who else broke two arms inside the octagon? | ||
| You know? | ||
| Frank Mir's probably the leading arm breaker. | ||
| In the history of this war. | ||
| The arm collector. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, he broke Noguera's arm and he broke Tim Sylvia's arm. | ||
| Two top-flight guys. | ||
| Two world champions. | ||
| Yeah, fuck. | ||
| Fuck. | ||
| Who knows what the fuck Frank Mir would have happened to him if he didn't get hit by that car. | ||
| You know, he was on a motorcycle. | ||
| Some asshole ran a red light, slammed into him, sent him flying, and heavy fracture of his feet. | ||
| They had a video of that, right? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
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I don't know. | |
| Like a CCTV kind of? | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I never saw it. | ||
| But I know that it took him forever before he came back. | ||
| Before he was 100% again. | ||
| It took forever. | ||
| Especially on a weight-bearing bone. | ||
| You know, it takes a little bit longer. | ||
| Look at Conor. | ||
| He's a big guy. | ||
| It's been a year plus for Conor. | ||
| Like, how long has it been since he broke his leg with Dustin? | ||
| I want to say it was July of last year. | ||
| I'm not sure. | ||
| Somewhere around there. | ||
| He's just started kicking the bag. | ||
| Just started doing it now. | ||
| What I had heard was that just a few months ago, he couldn't pivot off of it. | ||
| He couldn't torque. | ||
| He wanted to throw a left hook and pivot off his left leg. | ||
| He couldn't do it. | ||
| But it looks like he's getting better now. | ||
| He's throwing kicks with it. | ||
| You have to think that when he goes into his next fight, how much is he going to kick? | ||
| That certainly has got to be in the back of your mind. | ||
| I broke that shit one time. | ||
| But also now he's got a titanium plate in it. | ||
| If you could just get plates all over your shit. | ||
| Fucking a Wolverine. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Imagine if someone... | ||
| You know how dudes in baseball, they get that Tommy John surgery? | ||
| There's guys who get surgeries that don't need it because they want to be able to throw better. | ||
| Yeah, because it's like the rehab and they tighten up that tendon or ligament or whatever. | ||
| I talked to my friend, the late, great Brody Stevens, and he was saying it's very rare that guys have done that, but he does believe that people have done it. | ||
| They've gotten elective surgery just so they could throw harder. | ||
| And I'm like, that's pretty crazy, but... | ||
| If you could get your forearms done, your upper arms done, your thigh done. | ||
| I just want my skull done. | ||
| I wonder if that's possible. | ||
| I wonder if you could get your chin done. | ||
| I broke my hand and they had to put a plate in there. | ||
| And I don't think it makes it harder. | ||
| No? | ||
| Dude, that was agony, dude. | ||
| I broke it in a fight. | ||
| I broke it fighting Theodoro. | ||
| And, dude, it didn't really hurt. | ||
| Like, I could tell that I broke. | ||
| Like, my hand just felt a little looser. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And, you know, I could do this and see this little bone or whatever go up and down. | ||
| But after the fight, took a shower, sat in the stands, watched the rest of the car, carried my son out of there. | ||
| And... | ||
| But after surgery, dude, I was like, this is agony, dude. | ||
| It looks like an erector set. | ||
| There's a plate there and screws that I'm sure they use the power drill to drill that shit in there. | ||
| I see the x-ray and I was like, dude, that's why this shit hurts. | ||
| So does it hurt still? | ||
| No, not at all. | ||
| How long did it take before it felt okay again? | ||
| I think like six weeks. | ||
| I think I fought him in December and then I fought again in maybe June. | ||
| No, April. | ||
| I fought Roundtree after him. | ||
| And you obviously don't have any problem throwing it because you... | ||
| No. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You're not hesitant. | ||
| I've had that Tommy John surgery, too. | ||
| Oh, you did? | ||
| You had that done? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I thought, like, I had a pinched nerve in the elbow and did, like, these two fingers that I couldn't feel. | ||
| It was just, like, ants running down my arm the whole time. | ||
| I'd wake up in the middle of the night, like... | ||
| I fought Machida. | ||
| It's like all the range of motion I had in my elbow. | ||
| That's it? | ||
| Just like a foot? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I really couldn't even do anything with it. | ||
| I fought Machida with essentially one arm. | ||
| And I was like, you know, maybe it's not the guy to fight with fucking one arm. | ||
| But yeah, dude, after surgery, they were taking bone chips out of there, bone spurs. | ||
| Now I got everything. | ||
| Everything back. | ||
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Wow. | |
| How many different surgeries have you had? | ||
| Just those two? | ||
| Nah, I've had quite a few. | ||
| How many? | ||
| My hand, my elbow, I tore my Achilles. | ||
| Oh shit, that's a big one. | ||
| Yeah, that was weird because I went my entire... | ||
| Football career. | ||
| I never even pulled a hamstring. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Never. | ||
| Never even pulled a hamstring. | ||
| And I think the worst injury I had was like a fucking corneal abrasion. | ||
| And I was playing flag football like maybe two years later for a charity thing. | ||
| And I was running and you hear like a pop. | ||
| It didn't really hurt, and I kind of fell, and I thought somebody had, like, kicked my foot. | ||
| So I got up, and I was like, dude, that's fucked up, whoever just, you know, tripped me. | ||
| And I realized nobody's around me. | ||
| So I was like, dang, I just tripped over my own feet, fuck. | ||
| And I tried to take a step, and my heel didn't come off the ground. | ||
| So I was like, that's not right. | ||
| So I started looking at everybody's, uh, everybody's face. | ||
| I thought I dislocated it at that point. | ||
| But if my foot's facing any other direction, then it should be. | ||
| People are going to freak out. | ||
| I looked down. | ||
| I said, okay, cool. | ||
| My toes are facing forward. | ||
| And I took another step and the same thing. | ||
| The heel didn't come off the ground. | ||
| I was like, dude, I just tore my Achilles. | ||
| Shit. | ||
| How long did that rehab? | ||
| That's a big one, isn't it? | ||
| Yeah, that shit took a while. | ||
| But I think I tore it in like July and then I fought in December. | ||
| No, that following February. | ||
| So I think like I fought in like nine months. | ||
| When did it feel like you could start working out again? | ||
| I kind of push the envelope when it comes to that thing. | ||
| They were like, you have to wear a boot with this pad in it, and then eventually you take a little bit of the pad out and your foot lays flat in the boot. | ||
| I never even wore the thing. | ||
| Just the boot. | ||
| I was on crutches. | ||
| It was summertime. | ||
| It was hot as fuck. | ||
| Every time you'd hear that shit click. | ||
| Click click I'm getting off of these as soon as possible and So I started walking around in the boot and I started running and jogging I Think it's good. | ||
| When you get injured with something like that like was this before you were fighting? | ||
| No, I was fighting. | ||
| This was an amateur. | ||
| It wasn't the UFC. No So when you were doing that, did you have access to good rehabilitation facilities? | ||
| Some of the best in the world are right there in Birmingham. | ||
| All the WWE guys, all the pro guys, like ball sports, baseball, football, come to Dr. Andrews in Birmingham. | ||
| Oh, that's because there's so much sports going on down there. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Have you ever used the UFC? He's the guy who invented Tommy John surgery. | ||
| Oh, really? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Oh, no shit. | ||
| So everybody, like a lot of baseball players, come to Birmingham to do surgery, get surgery. | ||
| And the guy who runs it now, Dr. Kane, he was actually the Alabama team doctor when I was there. | ||
| So he's done all my stuff. | ||
| Oh, wow. | ||
| Except for my eye. | ||
| I had to go somewhere else. | ||
| Is that the corneal abrasion? | ||
| No, I have a wrinkle in my retina. | ||
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A wrinkle? | |
| Yeah, that's the first time I heard that shit. | ||
| Straight lines would be wavy. | ||
| My depth perception was getting fucked up. | ||
| And I was like, dude, I think I'm going blind in my right eye. | ||
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Oh, shit. | |
| They're like, oh, no. | ||
| I mean, eventually you're going to have cataracts, but you're not there yet. | ||
| Is this a genetic predisposition, or is this from combat support? | ||
| It's getting socked in the face. | ||
| Trauma, I guess, is what they said. | ||
| Yeah, so they had to go in there, and he was like, I essentially spot-welded your retina and cleaned it up or whatever. | ||
| And I was like, that's my eye. | ||
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Oh. | |
| Yeah, that's when you appreciate a guy like Michael Bisping, right? | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| That guy is a wild motherfucker. | ||
| Dude, when I heard that, I was like, dude, this is my new favorite fighter, dude. | ||
| You can't say shit. | ||
| Ten fights with one eye and won the world title. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| And then defended the world title with one eye. | ||
| I was like, what's your excuse? | ||
| Look at that motherfucker. | ||
| I always say that I would never suggest that anybody did that. | ||
| Never. | ||
| Of course not. | ||
| Never. | ||
| But I'm glad he did it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Just because it's a story. | ||
| Just because he did it and he got away with it and he won the world title and no one's ever going to take that away from him. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But, you know, you kind of need both eyes. | ||
| You need to see shit coming from over here, you know. | ||
| Well, that's why he explained the Anderson Silva flying knee knockout. | ||
| You know, when Anderson, when he was, like, looking for his mouthpiece, he dropped his mouthpiece, and he's trying to point to the referee to tell him that his mouthpiece was out, and Anderson hit him with a flying knee. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because he can't see out of his eye. | ||
| So he's, like, pointing to this, and Anderson... | ||
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And then he wins the next round. | |
| I mean Michael Bisping, that man is the epitome of mental toughness. | ||
| There's no more mentally challenging thing than you're competing in a sport that's already blinded one of your eyes and you're competing at the highest level and you win the world title. | ||
| He probably wasn't hurting for money, so it probably wasn't like he had to do that. | ||
| He's a fucking savage. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He's a fucking savage. | ||
| I mean, goddamn. | ||
| That's one of the most impressive things I've ever heard in my life. | ||
| I didn't believe it at first. | ||
| I was like, surely not. | ||
| And he's like, oh yeah, look. | ||
| And then he popped that aside. | ||
| I was like, oh fuck. | ||
| Takes that thing out and you see what's going on behind there. | ||
| They still to this day can't fix it. | ||
| He said he can tell the difference between the lights being on and off. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| And that's it. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Fuck. | |
| So they said you have a wrinkle, so they spot welded it, but why do they think you're going to get cataracts? | ||
| I'm not, you know, I really didn't pay attention to that part, but he just said, yeah, eventually you're going to have cataracts. | ||
| Will they be able to do something about the cataracts? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I think medical technology is advancing so fast. | ||
| When I was younger, an ACL injury, your career is done. | ||
| But now you've got guys like Adrian Peterson. | ||
| I don't know if you know who that is. | ||
| Dude, that motherfucker came back and set the Russian title in nine months after tearing his ACL. Yeah, it's crazy. | ||
| So, I'm not really worried about, like, outside of, like, brain stuff, like, physical stuff, I'm not really worried about because by the time I get there, they're going to have an answer. | ||
| I think so, too. | ||
| I think you're at a good point right now, where there's so much medical technology that's coming down the pipe, too. | ||
| They just keep finding new and better ways to fix things, new, better ways to surgically repair things. | ||
| It's an interesting time. | ||
| The only thing they can't write, like, they're still fucked when it comes to knees. | ||
| Like, when it comes to, like, meniscus and cartilage. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Meniscus and cartilage. | ||
| Here's another thing. | ||
| Kamaru Usman, his knees are fucked. | ||
| Yeah, are they? | ||
| When he was on the podcast, he told me he can't walk on sidewalks sometimes. | ||
| He has to walk on the grass because it hurts too much to walk on the sidewalk. | ||
| Imagine if that motherfucker was 100%. | ||
| Imagine. | ||
| He can't run. | ||
| He doesn't do any cardio like that. | ||
| All his cardio, he does high-intensity stuff. | ||
| He does wrestle because you have to. | ||
| But he said he's accepted the fact that when this is all done, he's going to have to get his knees replaced. | ||
| That is wild. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And if you look at it, like, his legs are not big. | ||
| He does not have big legs. | ||
| His upper body is fucking jacked, right? | ||
| But his legs, you know, not impressive. | ||
| You think that has something to do with it? | ||
| I think because his legs are fucked, because his knees are fucked. | ||
| He can only do so much with his legs. | ||
| What does the muscle have to do with the cartilage, you think? | ||
| Well, I think he can't use his legs the same way you would use them, you know, if his knees were fine. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Like, if his knees were fine, he's doing squats and deep lunges and sprints up hills and shit like that. | ||
| I don't think he can do that. | ||
| I think he has to get all of his cardio in different things. | ||
| Maybe it's a blessing. | ||
| Maybe if he had big legs, he'd have to fight it. | ||
| 85? | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| That's a good point. | ||
| But I mean, who knows? | ||
| I mean, I don't know how much he cuts weight, but I imagine he cuts quite a bit because he seems very large. | ||
| He's got to be over 200 pounds. | ||
| He's got to be over 200 pounds. | ||
| But that brings you to guys like Sean Strickland, who fought at 170 and was really struggling. | ||
| Now at 85, he's just lighting it up. | ||
| You know, he probably wasn't, like, cutting weight. | ||
| He was probably doing that six hours in the sauna thing and not dieting. | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| So I think, like, when you do that, your brain gets dehydrated as well. | ||
| So there's, like, a little, like, membrane or fluid barrier between your skull and your brain to keep, you know, cushion your brain. | ||
| I think when you wear that down, your brain is crashing into your skull. | ||
| That's how guys, you know, get dazed and wobbled and, you know, kind of lose their durability. | ||
| Yeah, I don't know about the technical aspects of that, but I do know for a fact that when guys dehydrate themselves heavily, they lose their ability to take a shot for some reason. | ||
| It just makes sense. | ||
| You're weakened. | ||
| Especially if you do it incorrectly and you don't rehydrate correctly. | ||
| And then that was a big complaint that a lot of guys had when they took away the IVs. | ||
| A lot of guys were like, hey, we're going to see a lot more guys get hurt because they just can't rehydrate the same way. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Somebody was telling me that they were using the IVs to like flush like EPO and stuff. | ||
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| So I was like, well, I mean, you guys just ruined it for everybody else. | ||
| Well, they can mask steroid use. | ||
| They can mask some steroid use, apparently. | ||
| That's what Nowitzki was saying. | ||
| They can mask some steroid use with IVs. | ||
| I'm not exactly sure how that works, but I think it's just some stuff shows up in your urine, and if you could just get a bunch of fluids into your system, like so much so that it flushes it all out, that you can't find the trace of what it is. | ||
| Dude, the early days... | ||
| Everybody was on something. | ||
| You know, when I first started working for the UFC, it was 97. I started working for the UFC at UFC 12. Everybody was on something. | ||
| Dude, as soon as I get out of that testing pool, man, I'm going to the doctor. | ||
| Give me the cocktail, dude. | ||
| I want to be 22 again. | ||
| I want to be fucking Hercules with half the work. | ||
| Do you do anything to try to elevate your testosterone now? | ||
| Are you doing... | ||
| Is there any, like... | ||
| You're 35. You're 35, right? | ||
| I started taking that, uh, it's like a Nigerian route. | ||
| What is it? | ||
| Tonga Ali. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Dude, I'm out here shooting ropes now. | ||
| Shooting ropes. | ||
| I like, you know, I've taken, like, Makaru and Yo Mb and I was like, dude, this is bullshit. | ||
| It's not doing anything. | ||
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But that stuff, you know, Did you get your testosterone checked before and after? | |
| I got checked before. | ||
| I haven't got the results back. | ||
| I just started this like two weeks ago. | ||
| That big a difference? | ||
| That quick, huh? | ||
| So, you know. | ||
| Let's fucking go. | ||
| Like Rottweiler. | ||
| So I'm just waiting. | ||
| And then maybe after like a month or two, I'll go back and get my testosterone checked again and see what it is. | ||
| Interesting. | ||
| And that stuff's legal. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I think you can take roots and tree barks and stuff like that. | ||
| How weird. | ||
| Do you know that that's how they make testosterone? | ||
| They make it off of a Mexican wild yam. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah, these are yam. | ||
| What yam is this? | ||
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I don't know. | |
| Find out. | ||
| I'm gonna go buy some. | ||
| I don't think you could eat it and get testosterone. | ||
| I don't understand how they do it. | ||
| We're about to find out. | ||
| Put that shit in the oven. | ||
| There's something... | ||
| I don't understand how they do it. | ||
| I really don't. | ||
| I've never even looked into it, but I do know that... | ||
| From, they do this carbon, I think it's carbon isotope testing. | ||
| They can find out whether or not the testosterone that's in your body has come from exogenous sources, like wild yams. | ||
| But one of the things Nowitzki was saying was that they don't, because these guys, like USADA guys, they always have to think like multiple steps ahead. | ||
| Because people are like, when Barry Bonds and, you know, Victor Conte had that clear shit. | ||
| The criminal is always a step ahead. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| So he's thinking, what Nowitzki said is like, theoretically at least, they should be able to extract testosterone from animals. | ||
| And if they extracted testosterone from animals and injected it into people, you might not be able to detect whether or not that came from an animal or whether or not it came from the human being themselves. | ||
| So it might look like natural levels of testosterone. | ||
| So you can get testosterone from a fucking silverback. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Take it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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I think I would go with a chimp because they have the bigger nuts. | |
| Yeah? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know why? | ||
| It's interesting. | ||
| Because female chimps are promiscuous. | ||
| So when female chimps are promiscuous, the male chimps grow bigger nuts and bigger dicks. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's why male humans have big dicks. | ||
| Because female humans are like, if you look at gorillas, gorillas have tiny dicks. | ||
| Like the smallest in the... | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Per size, you know. | ||
| The female gorillas are chilled. | ||
| They're not interested in fucking around. | ||
| But female chimps, they fuck around like crazy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And so male chimps have giant nuts. | ||
| I've seen a little, you know, animal planet or whatever, fucking... | ||
| You know, there's like an alpha monkey or whatever, and he's the only one who's supposed to fuck. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| But as soon as he goes off in the trees, fucking homeboy company... | ||
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Everybody ruined that. | |
| Yeah, he'll start running a train on him. | ||
| Just like in real life. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| Okay, steroid chemists are often referred to the 1930s as a decade of sex hormones when molecular structures of certain sex hormones were determined and first introduced to medical practice as drugs. | ||
| Russell Marker achieved the first practical synthesis of the pregnancy hormone progesterone by what now is known as the Marker degradation, produced from Starting material in a species of Mexican yam. | ||
| Marker's progesterone eventually became the preferred precursor in the industrial preparation of the anti-inflammatory drug cortisone. | ||
| Important research on sex hormones continues in Mexico, leading to the synthesis of the first useful oral contraceptive in 1951. Ah, interesting. | ||
| Ah, so I can take a pill and kill my sperm? | ||
| But this does have something to do with testosterone, doesn't it? | ||
| Yeah, there's a chemical compound in it called this. | ||
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This diosgenin? | |
| I don't know how to say it. | ||
| Diogenin. | ||
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And I believe they synthesized that into making... | |
| Wild. | ||
| It's all from this one fucking yam. | ||
| Isn't that crazy? | ||
| Like, how'd they even find that? | ||
| If you think about all the plants that they don't know about that are in the Amazon, like, pretty wild. | ||
| So wild yam is also often promoted as a natural alternative to estrogen therapy. | ||
| So we see it used for estrogen replacement therapy, vaginal dryness, hey, in older women, PMS, menstrual cramps, weak bones, osteoporosis, increasing energy and sexual drive in men and women. | ||
| Fucking yams, baby. | ||
| Shit. | ||
| Wild yams. | ||
| Sweet potatoes for breakfast. | ||
| Yeah, there you go. | ||
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It's crazy. | |
| It's crazy how people know ayahuasca. | ||
| How did they know? | ||
| How did they know? | ||
| Like, watch an animal eat the tree bark and start tripping. | ||
| What's going on? | ||
| Or watch something eat mushrooms. | ||
| There's two prevailing theories, right? | ||
| The prevailing theory, number one, that's told by the shaman is that the plants told them what to add up. | ||
| Like, when they say the plants, they're not sure if they're saying mushrooms, because, you know, psilocybin mushroom use is also, like, there's apparently not a great history of psilocybin use in the Amazon, but when Terrence McKenna went down there with his brother, They found psilocybin mushrooms everywhere, and they took so much of them that his brother was fucked for like two weeks. | ||
| And these guys are like legitimate scientists. | ||
| And his brother took so much that he basically evaporated for like two weeks. | ||
| And it took two weeks for him to come back to the point where he could... | ||
| All those chemicals to rebalance. | ||
| Well, I think he's just tripped so hard. | ||
| You know, like a crazy dose is like five grams of mushrooms. | ||
| That's a crazy dose. | ||
| How much have you took at one time? | ||
| I think I've gotten pretty close to that. | ||
| I've taken seven at once. | ||
| Ooh, what was that like? | ||
| Man, it wasn't what I expected. | ||
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Really? | |
| I thought it was going to be like the toad. | ||
| I had never heard anything about the toad. | ||
| Everybody's like, oh, you fucking take a heroic dose. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's what they were telling me was cause. | ||
| I was like, all right, fuck it, dude. | ||
| I'll do seven. | ||
| Did you do it outside? | ||
| Were you hanging out? | ||
| Dude, I kind of... | ||
| Nah. | ||
| I got away from the family, checked myself into a hotel, and turned off the lights, closed the curtain, and down the hatch. | ||
| That's the right way. | ||
| But dude, I went to the wrong fucking hotel. | ||
| I just hear motherfuckers Arguing and, you know, fucking, you know, arguing with their fucking girl and shit. | ||
| And I was like, dude, this fucking sucks, dude. | ||
| So I'm just like giggling and laughing, just like, you know, a normal mushroom trip. | ||
| And I was like, alright, dude. | ||
| So fucking by midnight I was back at the house fucking watching cartoons and shit. | ||
| The problem also is that like some psilocybin mushrooms are way stronger than other ones. | ||
| And you could get a, you know, you're buying them from a guy, you know? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Who knows if he's doing it right and, you know, cultivating them right. | ||
| I bought some from a guy who's like, yeah, these are great. | ||
| They're hydroponic. | ||
| You know, the guy plays symphony for them. | ||
| He sings to them. | ||
| I was like, I don't really give a fuck about that. | ||
| Just tell me my mushrooms, dude. | ||
| Well, the way I always describe DMT is it's mushrooms times a million plus aliens. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's like, you know, I'm sure you know, but like the two different kinds of... | ||
| And dimethyltryptamine, yeah. | ||
| So that's like the aliens for me. | ||
| It's like floating around in geometric shapes and bright colors and shit. | ||
| Is that the one you did or did you do 5-methoxy? | ||
| I did the MEO. I've done that too. | ||
| The 5-MEO is pretty wild because that one you cease to exist. | ||
| The thing about NN-dimethyltryptamine is when you're taking it, you're still there. | ||
| You're still you. | ||
| It's still Eric, but it's Eric in another universe. | ||
| I've done that twice, and the second time I think it was the NN, because I was still rolling around on the ground and slobbering and stuff, but I was still present. | ||
| Did you see visuals, though? | ||
| In my body. | ||
| Yeah, so I was like, I hit it, laid back, and there was a ceiling fan, and I just watched the ceiling fan, like, woo, woo, woo, and then it stopped, and then it started doing all the... | ||
| I was like, oh fuck, here we go, dude. | ||
| But I never left my body. | ||
| Like, my soul or, you know, whatever it is. | ||
| The first time I did it, everything just went white. | ||
| I was panicking. | ||
| I was like, oh fuck, oh fuck, oh fuck. | ||
| And now I was like, well, you're dead, buddy. | ||
| You fucked up? | ||
| Yeah, just, you know, just relax and, you know, see where you go from here. | ||
| I wonder if that's what it feels like when you actually do go. | ||
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I wonder if it's just like... | |
| Maybe. | ||
| I'm sure like a Matt Brown or somebody would be somebody to ask. | ||
| Right. | ||
| A guy who died. | ||
| What happened when he died? | ||
| Those guys are scary. | ||
| There's something about those guys that have overdosed and died. | ||
| They come back. | ||
| Like Court McGee, Matt Brown. | ||
| Out of the theory, all those guys who were junkies and beat addiction, they have unlimited cardio. | ||
| They don't ever get tired. | ||
| Matt Brown's a little older now, so, you know, of course, but Court McGee doesn't get tired. | ||
| Jared Gordon doesn't really get tired. | ||
| You know, so... | ||
| You ever seen Court's cardio routine, though? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's fucking insane. | ||
| He does everything with, like, a 45-pound vest. | ||
| He runs miles with a 45-pound vest on. | ||
| Like, he does a lot of wild cardio shit. | ||
| I met him when I was training at Factory X one time, and he started telling me all these stories about him being, like, a dick, and I was like, you? | ||
| I would think that you were like fucking Amish or, you know. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You know, fucking no technology, fucking out in the woods type, you know. | ||
| Like, fuck, dude. | ||
| Well, he went the other way, you know. | ||
| Like, he went from being a guy whose drug addict ruined his life to being, like, super disciplined. | ||
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Yeah, yeah. | |
| You know? | ||
| He's a big advocate, too. | ||
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Mm-hmm. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| That's cool. | ||
| Yeah, it's interesting guys that develop a base of cardio and then push it and keep pushing it and keep pushing it. | ||
| You can take your cardio to some crazy fucking places. | ||
| And some dudes, their cardio is one of their primary weapons. | ||
| They just can put a pace on people. | ||
| Max Holloway is a good example of that. | ||
| He puts a pace on people, but so is Volkanovski. | ||
| So that fight this weekend, woo! | ||
| Yeah, I know. | ||
| Those first two fights were so fucking close. | ||
| They were so close. | ||
| Hey, I'm going. | ||
| I can't wait. | ||
| Whenever I leave out of here, I'm going to go. | ||
| Yeah, I'm very excited. | ||
| Out to Vegas. | ||
| Very, very excited for that. | ||
| I don't know what the fuck's going to happen in that fight. | ||
| So there's those two fights. | ||
| There's Cannoneer versus Izzy. | ||
| There's Max Holloway versus Volkanovski. | ||
| Let me see the whole card. | ||
| Let me see the whole card. | ||
| And then there's Sean Strickland versus Pereira. | ||
| First of all, how crazy is Sean Strickland to take that fight? | ||
| Because Pereira's not even ranked. | ||
| And Sean Strickland's number four. | ||
| That's a big risk. | ||
| That's a big fight right there. | ||
| Oh, that's right. | ||
| Pedro Munoz versus Sean O'Malley. | ||
| So Young Punisher versus Sugar Sean. | ||
| That's an interesting fight, too. | ||
| That's a very interesting fight. | ||
| So is that the main card on pay-per-view? | ||
| Yeah, and they just announced that the Misha Tate fight has been moved to the next... | ||
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What happened? | |
| I just looked. | ||
| I didn't see any announcement on what happened, but they just moved it to the next pay-per-view or the Long Island card at the end of the month. | ||
| I think Sean O'Malley is going to be hard to beat. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Oh, Brad Rydell versus Jalen Turner. | ||
| That's an interesting fight, too, because Jalen at lightweight is so big. | ||
| He's so long. | ||
| And Robbie Lawler versus Brian Barbarina. | ||
| That's a great fight. | ||
| Ian Gary versus Gabriel Green. | ||
| Ian Gary's a bad motherfucker. | ||
| That's an interesting guy. | ||
| Oh, and so they're doing Jim Miller versus Donald Cerrone because of the Joe Lozon fight fell out again. | ||
| Interesting. | ||
| Uriah Hall and Andre Muniz. | ||
| Oh, shit. | ||
| Interesting that they keep having Mooney's like almost undercover, you know? | ||
| They don't have him in high-profile bouts. | ||
| I think that's like... | ||
| I mean, he's fighting Uriah Hall. | ||
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That's pretty... | |
| Yeah, but it's the early prelims. | ||
| That's the Fight Pass prelims. | ||
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Yeah, the other... | |
| I think these are on ABC. Yeah, these are on... | ||
| Oh, interesting. | ||
| And so... | ||
| Oh, that's right. | ||
| So they're putting that on ABC. They're going to have a whole card on ABC soon. | ||
| And then early, so let me see the early prelims again. | ||
| Oh, so that's the early? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So Jessica I and Macy Barber, that's a good fight. | ||
| Brad Tavares, Duplacis, that's a good fight. | ||
| Okay, interesting. | ||
| Wait a minute. | ||
| Jessica Rose Clark, that, click on that? | ||
| Isn't that, um... | ||
| Who the fuck did she just fight? | ||
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Let me see who she fought. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| So it's a good card, like, top to bottom. | ||
| That's a good card top to bottom. | ||
| That's a phenomenal card. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| Damn. | ||
| Yeah, there's no duds on that card. | ||
| That whole card is pretty fucking banging. | ||
| That Brad Rydell, Jalen Turner, boy, I didn't even know that fight was happening. | ||
| That is a fucking fantastic fight. | ||
| Because Jalen is about as 6'3", 155. What the fuck, man? | ||
| The way he's built, too. | ||
| Yeah, and knockout power, too. | ||
| Like, real long. | ||
| Super good boxing, too. | ||
| Yeah, real clean. | ||
| And, um... | ||
| Michael Bisping, when he was preparing for Luke Rockhold, was sparring with him because he was literally the size of Luke Rockhold, which is crazy. | ||
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| Yeah. | ||
| At 155. Do you think there should be more weight classes? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But this is the thing. | ||
| If you have an 85 and a 95, it's just going to be the 205 where it's cutting to 95. Right, but maybe the people that can barely get to 205 won't do that. | ||
| Because there's a lot... | ||
| John Jones is not fighting at 95. No. | ||
| He's not losing another 10 pounds. | ||
| He's so big for 205. The really big guys at 205, they're not going to do that. | ||
| But I think, like, boxing, for example, has so many weight classes because it's the wrestlers that kind of, like, inspire the weight cutting thing. | ||
| Like, these drastic weight cuts. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, like, I think that's why there's fewer weight classes in MMA. Because boxers, motherfuckers not cutting 30, 40 pounds. | ||
| No one's doing that. | ||
| Like, a weight class every 7 pounds or 5 pounds or whatever it is. | ||
| That's one of the crazy things about Canelo. | ||
| Canelo's willing to go all the way up to light heavyweight. | ||
| When he fought Floyd, I think they fought at 152. Here he is fighting Bival at 75, which is crazy. | ||
| For me, I always feel more comfortable fighting at 85 because I know I put in more work and preparation. | ||
| Even when you have to watch what you're eating, when you eat it, It takes a lot of discipline. | ||
| At 2.05, if I leave the gym, if I go grab a burger, I can go grab a burger. | ||
| So I can't do that when I fight at 85. So when I fight at 85, I know that I've crossed all the I's or crossed all the T's and dotted all the I's and did everything. | ||
| If I fight at 2.05, I'm like, well, let's see how it goes, guys. | ||
| Dominic Cruz says the same thing. | ||
| He says there's something about the discipline required to make bantamweight that makes him a better fighter. | ||
| It's true. | ||
| Well, for me, anyway. | ||
| So you feel that even, so it's not just that at 85, you're really big for the weight class, but it's also just the fact that you mentally, you know that you've put in that work to get down. | ||
| Yeah, I know my cardio is going to be on point. | ||
| I know, like, I've put in, I've done everything that I can, including, like, the diet. | ||
| And, you know, it's just something about knowing that you've done everything, everything, everything, everything. | ||
| That you didn't leave anything out. | ||
| I can still do and train and do all the same things, but I just don't feel as, like, maybe it's just a mental thing. | ||
| I don't feel as, like, prepared fighting at 205 because I know I've had those cheeseburgers. | ||
| I know I've had that, you know, ribeye or whatever. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| If you, like, if there was no weight cutting as far as dehydration, what do you think is, like, the lowest comfortable weight that you could get down to? | ||
| Will you be shredded but be able to fight? | ||
| Like 200? | ||
| I'm a fat kid. | ||
| So if I just ate well, I wouldn't be 230. But I want to enjoy my life. | ||
| But if you're lean and healthy, it would be 200. Yeah, I would probably have to work a little bit to get to 200, but it wouldn't be that hard. | ||
| Do you think it's possible to ever get to a point where there is no weight cutting? | ||
| Do you think that that would ever happen? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| One does it, right? | ||
| Nobody cuts white? | ||
| They do something. | ||
| I've heard there's ways around what one does, too. | ||
| I heard there's a little bit of shenanigans going on. | ||
| There's always going to be a way. | ||
| Criminals are always a step ahead. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Have you ever seen Catch Me If You Can? | ||
| The Leonardo DiCaprio? | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| A long time ago, yeah. | ||
| So all the fraudulent checks and stuff, they learn from him. | ||
| Like, you know, he eventually gets caught. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And he started working for the FBI to, like, look, y'all are fucking up. | ||
| This is how simple this shit is. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, that's what Victor Conte did. | ||
| Victor Conte, after he got busted and went away, he came back and he was like, let me show you how I did it. | ||
| And then he became the guy that calling out everybody else for having bad drug testing, which is kind of ironic. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know? | ||
| You're the power of the tea kettle, buddy. | ||
| I'm fascinated by one. | ||
| One FC is fascinating to me because they do Muay Thai fights, they have grappling matches, and when it comes to just straight MMA, they allow a lot of shit, like knees on the ground, knees to the head on the ground. | ||
| I think that should be allowed. | ||
| If I'm in a dominant position, why do I lose offense? | ||
| Why do I lose weapons? | ||
| Because you can't get off the ground, or you're in a turtle position, or you get up carelessly. | ||
| Why am I penalized for that? | ||
| It changes the way people fight, right? | ||
| Because if you knew... | ||
| If you're in a turtle and you know that a guy can just drop knees in your head, you're not going to lay there. | ||
| You're going to move. | ||
| You're going to defend yourself. | ||
| You're going to get out of there. | ||
| I'm going to get knocked the fuck out. | ||
| I've seen some horrific knock. | ||
| Go to 1FC's Instagram page. | ||
| They have the best. | ||
| Oh, my God, dude. | ||
| I'll fucking scroll through that thing forever. | ||
| Some of their KOs are ruthless, man. | ||
| And there's this one dude who was landing on his knees on the ground to the head in side control. | ||
| And you realize that from side control, the whole, the game, scroll down a little bit, I'll show you where it is. | ||
| It shows, the whole game is completely different. | ||
| You see a guy on the ground inside control. | ||
| Yeah, you better get your ass up. | ||
| Let's see if we can find it there. | ||
| Yeah, I've won a fight and actually got a bonus off a soccer kicking somebody and got disqualified for kneeing somebody on the side of the head. | ||
| This is interesting. | ||
| I don't see it. | ||
| And they changed the rules, too. | ||
| It used to be one hand. | ||
| If one hand was down, they were still up. | ||
| And then they changed it. | ||
| If anything, other than their feet is on the ground, they're down. | ||
| Where were you allowed to soccer kick somebody? | ||
| I fought Tim Williams in Lincoln, Nebraska. | ||
| It was a UFC fight. | ||
| Really? | ||
| You soccer kicked him to the body or to the head? | ||
| To the head. | ||
| He like... | ||
| Oh, that's it right there. | ||
| See that dude? | ||
| Yeah, that right there. | ||
| Watch this. | ||
| This is crazy. | ||
| Boom! | ||
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Boom! | |
| You gotta play that with sound. | ||
| Yeah, give me some sound. | ||
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Ooh! | |
| That's a perfect example because in that position the UFC That's like not as dangerous a position you can kind of hold on but if a guy can do that I mean that is what that's martial arts. | ||
| That's if you can drop an elbow on someone's head Why can't you do that? | ||
| I feel like you should be able to do that especially in this position particularly because you're not even trapped against the cage That guy's there in that spot. | ||
| You gotta fucking move. | ||
| You can't lay there like that. | ||
| That's nasty. | ||
| When I fought Tim Williams, he threw a head kick and I blocked it and he fell. | ||
| There's like 20 seconds left in the fight so he was trying to get up quick. | ||
| The technical get up. | ||
| I just stepped in and... | ||
| Put him down. | ||
| Oh, I remember that fight. | ||
| I have his teeth marks still in my shin. | ||
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Oh, shit. | |
| And dude, he had like a boil and bite mouthpiece. | ||
| Like not even like one that... | ||
| Oh, really? | ||
| I was like, dude, I don't know if you want to use that ever again. | ||
| Yeah, fuck that. | ||
| You need to get a fitted one. | ||
| What kind of cup do you use? | ||
| Do you use like a... | ||
| Diamond cup. | ||
| Yeah, those are the diamond MMA cups of the shit. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Compression shorts. | ||
| And dude, I see like every single nut shot. | ||
| Oh, there it is right there. | ||
| Boom. | ||
| Perfect timing. | ||
| Every single nut shot, everybody drops on the ground. | ||
| I was like, dude. | ||
| Yeah, if you have one of those diamond cups, you don't feel shit. | ||
| Look at that. | ||
| Perfect timing. | ||
| I think I get hit in the nuts almost every fight. | ||
| As he's getting up, boom! | ||
| I mean, you couldn't have timed that better. | ||
| Right when the hand lifts up is when you land the shot. | ||
| But under those rules, even if his hand is down, he was still considered up at the time. | ||
| Right. | ||
| One down. | ||
| Two down as a down fighter. | ||
| It's like weird. | ||
| But that's why I like what 1FC is doing better. | ||
| I was talking to Tim Kennedy about this the other day. | ||
| He won fights where you're allowed to knee on the ground. | ||
| He's a strong guy. | ||
| You get a guy in a position where you get a front headlock and you can just drop elbows on him. | ||
| Or drop knees on him rather. | ||
| In the UFC you can't. | ||
| It's kind of weird because it's a good, effective weapon. | ||
| And it's a good position for the guy on top, so why do I get penalized? | ||
| Right. | ||
| The soccer kick on the ground is just, that's so ruthless. | ||
| I think it just doesn't look appealing for on TV. Like, you know, you want soccer moms and kids to watch, so maybe a dude getting drilled in his shit is... | ||
| At this point, I think we have enough people watching. | ||
| I don't think we have to worry. | ||
| I don't think we need to try to lure in them soccer moms by eliminating soccer kicks. | ||
| Yeah, that diamond cup is awesome. | ||
| I think I have been kicked in the nuts in every single fight, and it doesn't bother me. | ||
| One time, Roundtree did it at the end of the fight, and I was just so ready for the fight. | ||
| And it hurt, too. | ||
| It was probably the only time that it hurt, but I was so ready for that fucking fight to be over with. | ||
| I was like, man, I'm just gonna ride it out, dude. | ||
| Ride it out. | ||
| That dude kicks so fucking hard. | ||
| Yeah, imagine getting kicked in the dick. | ||
| And you caught him right when he came out of Thailand, too. | ||
| He had that Thai style, like real light on that front leg. | ||
| I was like, hey man, what are you doing, man? | ||
| That was so impressive. | ||
| Damn. | ||
| That dude, he's one of my favorite guys to watch. | ||
| Because when he gets rolling and his technique is on, man, he's terrifying. | ||
| I think it's up here for him. | ||
| Like some fights he comes out, unfortunately, like he did against me. | ||
| It's a call of confidence in the world against that... | ||
| Midescus, or the guy who fucking stomped his knee out. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But then other fights, you know, I think he kind of gets into himself a little bit and, you know. | ||
| Well, it's gone on some times where he's thinking about retiring, you know. | ||
| You know as well as anybody that when you're one foot in, one foot out, it's not really the best. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You see guys that are like that and, like, you see the decline in their performances. | ||
| They just don't see the same anymore. | ||
| You know, the train is hard, the diorite. | ||
| Did you see the Anthony Pettis fight? | ||
| The Stevie Ray fight? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| We actually went. | ||
| It was in Atlanta. | ||
| Oh, was it? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That fight was interesting. | ||
| I never... | ||
| He sent it to me. | ||
| Stevie Ray sent it to me, and I watched it, and I was like... | ||
| What are you doing here? | ||
| That's like a body lock. | ||
| And then he's got the arm captured and he's using the forearm on the neck. | ||
| I think he hurt his ribs. | ||
| Well, it's a neck crank, man. | ||
| It's a neck crank. | ||
| Watch how he does it. | ||
| See, look. | ||
| Right arm goes to the side of the neck. | ||
| Now watch. | ||
| When he gets the grip, watch, he gets the grip here. | ||
| And he's using the leverage of his legs and then cranking against the neck. | ||
| Watch this. | ||
| Right here, right here. | ||
| It's a neck crank, man. | ||
| Oh, it does look like he hurt his ribs, too. | ||
| He's holding on to his ribs. | ||
| That's what I'm saying. | ||
| I think he fucked everything up, though. | ||
| I think he fucked everything up. | ||
| But he shows the setup. | ||
| He sent me the setup, too. | ||
| Like, this is something that he does. | ||
| Oh, so this wasn't, like, on the fly? | ||
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No, no, no, no. | |
| Let me squeeze and see what happens. | ||
| Oh, he's got the body lock? | ||
| But watch when he gets the right forearm on the side of the neck, and then he clamps his arms together, and it's basically, like, it's a spinal lock. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Because it's crazy pressure. | ||
| Look at that. | ||
| Look at that on the neck, man. | ||
| It's probably also on the left side of his ribs because that's where the body lock is clamped down to. | ||
| But he also has a twister finish in MMA. So he's very familiar with those leverage positions where you're really cranking on the neck. | ||
| Bending your shit where it don't bend. | ||
| Twisters. | ||
| You ever been caught in one of those? | ||
| Hell yeah. | ||
| It's horrible. | ||
| I tap early, dawg. | ||
| Fuck that. | ||
| It's a terrible position to be in. | ||
| It'll fuck your neck up. | ||
| Dude, I, you know, fucked a lot of discs up in my neck. | ||
| When I first started, no one told me, don't be an asshole and not tap. | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| So I'd be, like, getting choked out and, you know, hear... | ||
| Shit, my neck hurts. | ||
| End up, man, for the longest time I thought my trap or my neck was just tight on that side and I couldn't turn it. | ||
| But then I went to that cellular performance place in Mexico and got stem cells in my thing. | ||
| And dude, it made, you know... | ||
| Did you go to the place in Tijuana? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Ed Clay's place? | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Shout out to Ed Clay. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I love that dude. | ||
| Yeah, I love that he's doing that, but it's kind of crazy that you have to go to Tijuana because you can't do it in America. | ||
| I think it's the way they, not incubate, but cultivate the stem cells. | ||
| They don't let you do it here, but they let you do it there. | ||
| So it had a big effect on you? | ||
| Man, night and day. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah, I couldn't wrestle because you have to do all that head position. | ||
| You can use your head when you wrestle. | ||
| I just couldn't turn my neck all the way. | ||
| So did they go actually into your discs? | ||
| Yep. | ||
| So they like, I was like, are you guys going to put me to sleep? | ||
| They're like, no, because there's a nerve in there, and if we hit it, you have to let us know. | ||
| I was like, dude, what the fuck am I going to do? | ||
| Don't be fucking paralyzed. | ||
| What are you talking about? | ||
| They don't put you to sleep. | ||
| They just kind of dull it. | ||
| You can definitely feel the needle go in. | ||
| Some Novocaine? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Something like that? | ||
| It's not a topical. | ||
| I got an IV. It was like they were pumping up a bike tire. | ||
| It felt my neck. | ||
| I think I might have grown a little bit. | ||
| Well, that's what is exciting about stem cells with discs, is that they can regrow that disc tissue, which is the only time I've ever heard of anyone being able to do that. | ||
| Because generally speaking, when you get degenerative discs, which is, I have that. | ||
| I have a bunch of discs that are smaller. | ||
| Yeah, like re-inflated it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I was like, and they were like, I mean, because I was staying at a hotel, and they're like, you can go home, but I wouldn't recommend that you do because that shit's going to hurt when that, you know, whatever the medication wears off. | ||
| And I was like, dude, this shit doesn't hurt, you know, maybe I just... | ||
| Alright, I'll take your word, dude. | ||
| I was sitting in my room. | ||
| I was like, call us when it starts to hurt. | ||
| Like, they knew what was up. | ||
| And so I was like, alright. | ||
| And so, dude, that just started to wear off. | ||
| And dude, I was like on my hands and knees. | ||
| Like, there was just no position that I could like put my neck where the shit didn't hurt. | ||
| And I was like, man, y'all come on with it, man. | ||
| Give me something to put me down. | ||
| And the next day, though, it was like zero pain, you know, nothing. | ||
| So how long did it take before you could start training again? | ||
| They told me six weeks because when you get the stem cells, if you keep doing stuff that inflames you, the stem cells are going to attack that instead of the current issue. | ||
| So they just chill for six weeks, let the stem cells do their thing, and then you go back to training progressively. | ||
| Is it hard for you to do that though, to just chill? | ||
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It is. | |
| I haven't stopped moving since I sat here. | ||
| Yeah, you're not a chill dude. | ||
| I am chill, I just can't sit still. | ||
| And so six weeks later you started to go and you could immediately feel that it was... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That same thing was happening. | ||
| My fingers were going numb. | ||
| I had to always pop and crack my neck, which is probably the last thing that you should do in that situation. | ||
| But, man, zero neck pain. | ||
| I can turn my neck all the way. | ||
| My fingers don't tingle. | ||
| That's amazing. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's exciting. | ||
| I just wish we could fucking do it right here. | ||
| Like, I don't know what the holdup is. | ||
| You know, I don't know. | ||
| I think that the medical community is not maybe looking to get you better, but keep you coming back kind of thing. | ||
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I don't know. | |
| That's what it is. | ||
| Maybe the issue is how long it takes to get FDA approval. | ||
| I mean, really, all it would take is someone of high profile, like some president or something like that, that went and got it done and was singing the virtues of it and said, hey, let's fucking fast track this shit. | ||
| Kobe Bryant tore his Achilles, got that, came back. | ||
| So the extent of how much it works on other stuff, I don't know, but clearly the shit works. | ||
| Clearly the shit works. | ||
| Yeah, it works. | ||
| I've done a lot of things with stem cells. | ||
| I had a full-length rotator cuff tear that disappeared. | ||
| Six months later, I got an MRI, no rotator cuff care. | ||
| He was like, how's your shoulder feel? | ||
| I'm like, feels pretty fucking good. | ||
| He goes, okay, we're going to do another MRI. And the doctor came into the room. | ||
| He's like, I've never seen anything like this in my fucking life. | ||
| Is this the right arm? | ||
| He goes, you don't have a tear anymore. | ||
| He goes, it's gone. | ||
| And I go, really? | ||
| He goes, yeah. | ||
| He goes, I would have told you just a few years ago that you needed surgery. | ||
| Like, you're going to fuck your shoulder up. | ||
| You're going to develop arthritis. | ||
| He goes, now you don't even have a tear. | ||
| It's gone. | ||
| Like, I have zero problems with this shoulder now. | ||
| But at one point in time, it was like it was always, it would hurt all the time. | ||
| It was always something wrong with it. | ||
| Always aching and shit. | ||
| Yeah, now nothing. | ||
| We can do anything with it. | ||
| I don't know if they're like, they had to cut my meniscus out, part of it anyways. | ||
| And, uh... | ||
| So I got it, the stem cells in there, really just to reduce the inflammation and speed the shit up. | ||
| I don't think that it'll regrow my meniscus or whatever, but I think as far as discs and stuff like that, it just fucking works wonders. | ||
| One thing they are doing with meniscus is they're doing meniscus transplants. | ||
| So they're taking like a cadaver's meniscus and they're replacing yours with a cadaver's. | ||
| And apparently as long as you get that, like at your age you can still do that, but I think when you get older, like for older folks, I don't think it works. | ||
| I think there's a certain amount of blood flow that has to exist in that area. | ||
| That's another thing they were saying down there is, like, down here when we get the stem cells, we can, like, stress them out. | ||
| Like, if we're going to put them in a low oxygen environment in your body or, like, less blood flow or whatever, we can, like, stress it out. | ||
| And the ones that aren't going to live already die, and we can replace them. | ||
| So you're getting, like, the exact number as close to as you can with the injections. | ||
| Because sometimes, oh, this is 100 million, but, you know. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| About 50 million of them died already. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You know? | ||
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| Well, they're doing stuff in, I know they're doing stuff like that in Columbia. | ||
| You know, there's that bioaccelerator place in Columbia. | ||
| And then there's in Panama, Dr. Neil Reardon. | ||
| I had him on my show before. | ||
| And he's written these papers on it. | ||
| And he's one of the leading experts. | ||
| And he's actually in Dallas. | ||
| But he runs this clinic in Panama. | ||
| Because you can't do it here. | ||
| Like everything that he wants to do here. | ||
| He can do some stuff here. | ||
| But he can't do anything here like he wants to do. | ||
| Why do you think? | ||
| I don't think it's like, I don't know. | ||
| I don't think the FDA, I mean, they approved the vaccine in like, you know, six months, so why can't I get stem cells? | ||
| Well, yeah, like I said, it's almost like someone very important, like a president-type dude, needs to fast-track it. | ||
| Clearly, it's been going on for a long time. | ||
| People have been using stem cells now to heal injuries for decades. | ||
| It's not a new thing. | ||
| And the efficacy's not challenged. | ||
| That shit works. | ||
| I've done it. | ||
| I know it works. | ||
| Yeah, me too. | ||
| You know it works, too. | ||
| Like nothing else. | ||
| That's what's crazy. | ||
| And I think we're probably just at the tip of the iceberg, I think, like 30 years from now. | ||
| That's going to be old school. | ||
| They're going to develop something really wild. | ||
| You can just have a whole new one. | ||
| Well, I think what they're going to be able to do is regenerate all kinds of tissue and then reverse aging. | ||
| Reversing aging is just around the corner, which is going to be wild. | ||
| You've got to die, dude. | ||
| Hot old ladies are all of a sudden going to want some dick. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Dude, you got to have a lifespan, dude. | ||
| Well, you're still going to have a lifespan. | ||
| You know, you're still vulnerable. | ||
| Still vulnerable to sickness and still vulnerable to injury. | ||
| But imagine if you could live a full, like, healthy, active life until you die. | ||
| Instead of being, you know, you see 90-year-old people that are just all fucked up and, like, what kind of life is that? | ||
| I told my people, like, the first time I shit myself uncontrollably, just, you know, Take me out. | ||
| I'll be okay with it. | ||
| I promise you all will. | ||
| Just fuck in. | ||
| Whatever. | ||
| I think for a lot of people, they don't ever want to let go. | ||
| They want to keep going as long as possible. | ||
| And then there's also the hope that they're going to be able to fix things. | ||
| Like this reversing aging thing. | ||
| They're able to do that now in certain animals. | ||
| They could do it in mice. | ||
| They could prolong their lifespan by 50%, 100%. | ||
| They should just do DMT so they died once already. | ||
| It's like, oh, you know, not that bad. | ||
| You just gotta accept it. | ||
| Yeah, but what if that's not what happens when you die? | ||
| You know, DMT might just be some very unusual burst of these chemicals that you can get and introduce into your body, but that's not really what happens when you die. | ||
| When you die, it's just... | ||
| Lights go off. | ||
| Lights go off. | ||
| That could be possible, too. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| We all find out one day. | ||
| Do you have any regrets that you didn't start fighting like when you were young? | ||
| It's funny because I started playing football before all that concussion shit came out. | ||
| But all you heard about was boxers with head injuries or head trauma, CTE and shit, before it was called CTE. So I always favored individual sports over team sports. | ||
| I fucking hated team sports. | ||
| I only started playing football because my older brother played football, and then I realized that girls like football players. | ||
| And then I realized, oh, I'm kind of good at football, so fuck. | ||
| But I asked my mom, I was like, can I box? | ||
| And she was like, no, because you're going to fucking get brain damage and you're going to ruin your face. | ||
| And I paid money for your braces and your teeth and they're going to fuck your face up. | ||
| And I was like, all right. | ||
| But then meanwhile, you know, she let me go run full speed. | ||
| Into another human being who's also running full speed, you know, with like a piece of plastic on my head. | ||
| When I first started playing when I was like seven years old, and it was like one size fits all. | ||
| My shoulder pads fucking came out to here, and my helmet was fucking wobbling around. | ||
| Definitely it wasn't like the 1950s, but it ain't like it is now. | ||
| The only time I've ever been knocked unconscious is playing football, which is a pretty scary fucking experience because you lose time. | ||
| The first time I did it, we were doing a drill. | ||
| I was like 12 years old. | ||
| Two guys 10 yards apart. | ||
| There's a cone off to the side in the middle, and you literally run full speed and smash each other. | ||
| That's the drill? | ||
| That's the drill. | ||
| It's like an angle-tackling drill. | ||
| One guy's on offense, the running back, everybody else is on defense. | ||
| And so they say, go, you got to sprint, five yards, boom, at an angle, and, you know, car collision. | ||
| But dude, I hit this kid, and I fucking got up, I was woozy, got to the back of the line, and just, boom. | ||
| You know, it's kind of like little giants. | ||
| You wake up, everybody's around you, it's like, oh, it's okay, dude, he does that to everybody. | ||
| I was like, fuck, did y'all let me go with him? | ||
| Y'all don't like me, man. | ||
| And then when I was in college, I was running down on a kickoff. | ||
| Are you familiar with football? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I was running down on a kickoff, and at the time, you can't even do this anymore, but they put like... | ||
| The offensive and defensive linemen and the wedge and the dude with the ball, they were just like fucking clear house. | ||
| So I was just like, fuck it, and just closed my eyes and dove in there. | ||
| And it was like on the far sideline. | ||
| My next cognitive memory is like I'm walking around on our sideline. | ||
| I'm like, dude, how the fuck did I get here? | ||
| I was just over there. | ||
| Now I'm here. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| And then, like, five minutes later, he's like, all right, kickoff team, go again. | ||
| I was like, dude, I don't know if I should do that. | ||
| But, you know, at the time, it's like, dude, you can't be a pussy, dude. | ||
| Just fucking go. | ||
| And now they're like, oh, dude. | ||
| Now they stop people from doing shit like that, right? | ||
| Yeah, they're like... | ||
| If you get KO'd now in a football game, do they just stop and get you out? | ||
| If they even suspect you of having a concussion, they take your helmet. | ||
| When you're done. | ||
| When I played, shit like that was encouraged. | ||
| He doesn't want to play anymore. | ||
| Bitch. | ||
| Pussy. | ||
| That guy's actually a little bit smarter than the rest of us. | ||
| Isn't it crazy that it's so recent that they've figured all this out? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, I think the big turning point, there was a guy named Junior Seau, who was a linebacker for the Chargers. | ||
| Committed suicide. | ||
| Committed suicide, and they don't know if you have CTE until after you die, and they study your brain. | ||
| And they're like, His brain's not right. | ||
| So then after that, I think, is when they started changing the rules and stuff. | ||
| Because football, as it's played today, doesn't really look like how it was. | ||
| Like the big hits was encouraged. | ||
| Blind sides were encouraged. | ||
| It's like, oh, fuck it. | ||
| You saw what I just did to that guy. | ||
| You know, laugh about it. | ||
| Now you get kicked out of the game and you have to sit out the following game as well. | ||
| Really? | ||
| So they're trying to figure out a way to make the craziest, most non-safe sport ever safe. | ||
| I was like, you know... | ||
| So I think a lot of people were ignorant back then, but now you know... | ||
| Like, the risk that you're taking. | ||
| So, yeah. | ||
| Sign the waiver and go. | ||
| Sign the waiver and also, you know, it's an opportunity for greatness. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's the thing. | ||
| It's like you will take that risk, but if you become a superstar, the rewards are pretty substantial. | ||
| I mean, if you're a superstar in the NFL and you can bang out five, six years, like, you make a substantial amount of money. | ||
| Like, if I knew then, would I still play football? | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| There's nothing you could have done to stop me from playing outside of an injury. | ||
| Like, yeah, dude, I fucking... | ||
| I loved football. | ||
| I like everything that came with football. | ||
| I love the lifestyle of football. | ||
| And, you know, at the time, I thought I was going to make a lot of money playing football. | ||
| So, you know, yeah, I'll take the risk. | ||
| And, you know, same thing with fighting. | ||
| Like, oh, you're worried about your brain? | ||
| I mean... | ||
| We'll cross that bridge when we get there. | ||
| You seem fine now. | ||
| I think mushrooms help. | ||
| NAD helps. | ||
| I guess that's like preventative stuff. | ||
| Do you keep an eye on it though? | ||
| Do you check in on yourself? | ||
| Like, how are we doing? | ||
| We alright here? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Especially when I get tired, I feel like I'm thinking slow. | ||
| I got to think about what I'm thinking about. | ||
| But I hope it's just being tired. | ||
| Let me go take a nap or something. | ||
| There's a dude that I knew that was a fighter that retired, and he definitely sparred too hard, and he definitely had some rough fights. | ||
| He got KO'd a couple of times, and when I was around him, he seemed okay until he had a drink. | ||
| Like, a drink. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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It was crazy. | |
| Like, one drink, two drinks in, it was like he was obliterated. | ||
| Like, he had drank a whole case of beer. | ||
| It was crazy. | ||
| I hope I don't get like that. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Right now you seem to learn sign language or something. | ||
| No signs at all. | ||
| You seem totally normal. | ||
| But I think it's different for everybody, right? | ||
| There's like a genetic predisposition. | ||
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It's like APOE4. They said that about CTEs. | |
| We don't even know. | ||
| And I haven't done any research on it lately, so I don't know if they've found anything out. | ||
| But I know a few years ago that I did, we don't even know if you're genetically predisposed to getting this anyways. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The football hits and tackles and stuff make it move faster. | ||
| So you're feeling it at 40, 50 instead of 70 or 80. Right. | ||
| When you go back and if you think about your times playing football, your great times versus your great wins in fighting, what is more satisfying to you? | ||
| There's no drug, there's no anything that you could do to replicate the emotions and feelings after knocking a motherfucker out. | ||
| And I'm not talking about getting on top and hitting him until the ref pulls you off. | ||
| One punch, boom, he's jello on the ground. | ||
| You might have killed that guy. | ||
| There's no better feeling. | ||
| And I've won like a... | ||
| When I played football, we went playing the national championship and had a pretty big play at the end of the game that kind of sealed it. | ||
| But even that, the last game of my college career doesn't equate to knocking out Hafe on the tall the way I did. | ||
| It just doesn't. | ||
| It's one-on-one. | ||
| It's you versus me. | ||
| And I just did that to you. | ||
| I've done quite a few drugs. | ||
| I've had quite a few big moments. | ||
| Other side of the coin, there's no fucking lower feeling than getting your ass whooped in front of not only the crowd, but the people on TV. But I'll take it, dude. | ||
| I'll fucking run the risk of... | ||
| That versus the high you get after a knockout or a win any day. | ||
| Do you remember the feeling of your first loss where you're like, oh geez, this is different? | ||
| Yeah, because my first loss was to Machida and I feel like I beat Machida. | ||
| I just so happened to fight him in Brazil. | ||
| And I think that he thinks that he lost, because, you know, before they read the scorecards, his head's all low, and he's, you know, kind of pouting, and he's like, oh, winner by split decision, Machida, and all of a sudden, he's like, wow. | ||
| But that was not a loss, like a, you know, that was not like Tiago Santos' loss, it wasn't, you know? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because you could have won that fight. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I remember that fight. | ||
| You could have won that fight. | ||
| I had his back. | ||
| Yeah, I was in that fight. | ||
| But I kind of liked, or told myself anyways, that I kind of liked pushing myself. | ||
| Like, I like the challenge, you know? | ||
| And, you know, two fights later, you know, he's fucking fighting for the championship. | ||
| And to be honest, I think that's kind of the fight that put me on the map. | ||
| Even though it was a loss, I think the people liked. | ||
| These two big motherfuckers just stood in the middle and just swung on each other until one couldn't anymore. | ||
| From the fans' perspective, I think they really liked that. | ||
| Yeah, it was definitely a big fight. | ||
| But it's not a fight like a serious loss. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Roundtree was pretty devastating. | ||
| Just because, like, there's something about that day where I was just like, dude, I don't want to fight. | ||
| I do not want to fucking fight. | ||
| I'm going to do it anyways, but I don't really want to be here right now. | ||
| What do you think that is? | ||
| I have no idea. | ||
| Because, I mean, all the preparation, all the training... | ||
| Dude, there's some fights, like, when I made my debut, I had zero nerves, and as soon as my feet touched the canvas and I felt like how grippy it is, I was like, dude, he's dead. | ||
| This motherfucker's out of here. | ||
| I know he's gonna, I know I'm finna win. | ||
| But that roundtree fight in particular, I remember walking to the cage like, and then me someone puts a banana peel out here, and I fucking slip. | ||
| Like, fuck, dude, I don't. | ||
| Can we do this tomorrow? | ||
| Is that the only time you've ever felt like that? | ||
| To that extreme, yeah. | ||
| Yeah? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| What do you think that was? | ||
| I don't know, and I was really confident going into that fight, because I didn't think that he could wrestle. | ||
| I was watching film, I was like, dude, he's never, like, just flat, like, he's dropped a lot of people, but that's, he just dropped them, like, he never, like, knocked them unconscious. | ||
| I was like, alright, even if I do eat one, I'll fucking still be alive and be able to fight and shit. | ||
| But, I don't know, dude, I just woke up on the wrong side of the bed, and I was like, fuck. | ||
| That's what you were talking about earlier when you're talking about Khabib and Usman and these guys that like every single time they're mentally there. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's probably one of the hardest parts of the sport. | ||
| Gotta be. | ||
| And there's other fights where like, I've been getting this dude's ass and it's going to be hell for him. | ||
| So I don't know what that is. | ||
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Have you ever gotten a sports psychologist? | |
| Yeah, they all say different shit. | ||
| One guy would say, just be happy to be here. | ||
| And I'm just like, that's preposterous. | ||
| No, dude. | ||
| I used to make fun of people. | ||
| He's just happy to be here. | ||
| He's for sure. | ||
| Or don't worry about the outcome. | ||
| He's like, no, dude, I am worried about the fucking outcome because that's half my money. | ||
| You know, you lose a fight, I could get cut. | ||
| Yes, the outcome absolutely matters. | ||
| Stop talking to me. | ||
| That's another thing I hate about the sport. | ||
| The win-lose bonus. | ||
| I don't like that at all. | ||
| I think you should get played. | ||
| I think you should... | ||
| It's not like... | ||
| No one is trying harder because you're gonna get your win bonus. | ||
| You're trying to fucking win. | ||
| You're in a goddamn cage fight. | ||
| I don't think it incentivizes, and I think with the judging, the judging is so erratic. | ||
| Like, sometimes they're so wrong. | ||
| Yeah, I feel like I won my last fight, too. | ||
| But the judges said I didn't. | ||
| I was like, man, how? | ||
| What? | ||
| That was a very close fight. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I thought you won it, too. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But then you lose half your money. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Which is crazy. | ||
| I don't care about like the lost column as much as I do because like I invest you know I don't buy stupid shit with my money so it's not like oh I was gonna blow it anyways dude how many houses could I have bought with you know my win bonus how much more money I invested and like mid-states and oil and gas companies and stuff like that yeah so I'm like kind of fucks me up It's so hard because so many fights are so goddamn close. | ||
| Today I watched Brandon Moreno vs. | ||
| Davis and Figueredo, the rematch. | ||
| And Figueredo won the rematch and I was watching and I was like, man, what a close fucking fight. | ||
| And Brandon thought he won. | ||
| And I'm like, the fact that he's not getting half his money is crazy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It was a hell of a fight. | ||
| A hell of a fight. | ||
| Fought his ass off. | ||
| And I feel the same way about Max Holloway versus Volkanovski in the second fight. | ||
| That fight was so goddamn close. | ||
| It was so close. | ||
| Like, how could you take a man's half his money away based on some subjective opinions of whether or not he won the fight? | ||
| What do you think the answer is for, like, the judging? | ||
| You think there should be more judges, open scoring? | ||
| Yeah, I think both of those things would be good. | ||
| I think more judges for sure. | ||
| I think five judges would be the right way to do it. | ||
| I think Glory uses four or five. | ||
| Kickboxing, I think that would be better. | ||
| I don't think three's enough. | ||
| Because, like, sometimes you'll have, like, two people that get it totally wrong, and then one person gets it right. | ||
| Did you see Caitlin Vieira and Holly Holm? | ||
| Yes, I did. | ||
| Yeah, I thought Holly Holm won like three or four rounds. | ||
| Yeah, I have to go and watch that again. | ||
| I have to go and watch that again to try to figure out, you know. | ||
| I like the open scoring. | ||
| Let me know. | ||
| I play a football game. | ||
| I play a basketball game. | ||
| I know the score of the game. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| The other worry about that is that someone might go in like Devin Haney versus Combosis, right? | ||
| Go into that final round knowing that you're... | ||
| Bring back yellow cards. | ||
| Or whatever. | ||
| You're going to get penalized, motherfucker. | ||
| If you run, if you don't engage, you're going to fucking lose a point. | ||
| See, yellow card was a great part of Pride. | ||
| Pride was a great organization. | ||
| But they use yellow cards sometimes when people are just being strategic and smart. | ||
| They just wanted entertainment. | ||
| There's something about, because some guys, they're just being smart. | ||
| But then you have fights like the Rose Namajunas-Carlo Esparza fight, where you're like, what the fuck is happening here? | ||
| Nothing's happening. | ||
| They both should have got yellow cards. | ||
| Like, what are you doing? | ||
| You know, a million people are watching right now? | ||
| Come on. | ||
| You saw Yair and Korean Zombie. | ||
| I don't know if the Zombie knew if he was up all those rounds because it was a close fight. | ||
| He was up, I think, four rounds. | ||
| He was trying to push it because I don't think he knew that he was up. | ||
| He got knocked out in 10 seconds with 10 seconds left in the thing. | ||
| Crazy elbow, too. | ||
| That was nuts. | ||
| I think, what do you think the mechanism is to, you know how some dudes get knocked out, they go stiff, like fucking, you know, locked out like roadkill, or like when they go like rubber chicken. | ||
| Why do you think the two different things happen? | ||
| It's a good question. | ||
| It's like what's going on in the brain. | ||
| Because that's scary. | ||
| The way he like fell and fucking like, oh shit, dude. | ||
| But roadkill's scary too. | ||
| When the guy's stiffing up and just bouts. | ||
| But you know he's alive. | ||
| His muscles are fucking seized up. | ||
| He's like, his heart's still beating. | ||
| I guess. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| They're both scary. | ||
| When you get shut off, getting shut off is fucking scary. | ||
| And one of the things about the UFC that's really interesting is that no one's ever died. | ||
| You know, I mean, there's been so many deaths in boxing during the same time period. | ||
| Obviously, boxing has many, many different promotions and the UFC only has one. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But the only deaths that I know of in MMA are either people with a pre-existing condition or people who fought overseas. | ||
| Some of them have been from weight cuts. | ||
| There's been, like, deaths because of that. | ||
| But it's interesting that, relatively speaking, MMA is more safe than boxing. | ||
| Even though you think it's not because the knockouts are so cool. | ||
| Like a head kick knockout, it's crazy. | ||
| That one that you landed, the soccer kick, like holy shit. | ||
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But it's over. | |
| It's over. | ||
| It's not like that dude took like six of those. | ||
| That's true too. | ||
| You know, boxing, I feel like they take a lot more. | ||
| Especially like the way they train too. | ||
| I'm like, dude, you motherfuckers, it's pretty archaic how you guys are training, how you guys are training, like Neanderthals. | ||
| Yeah, they beat the fuck out of each other sometimes, you know. | ||
| It'd really just be one, like, everybody else is there for him, and he beats the fuck out of all of them. | ||
| Yeah, and you're getting brain damage. | ||
| Even though you're just paid as a sparring partner, you're getting fight brain damage. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| When you spar, do you spar hard? | ||
| Like, how do you spar? | ||
| I always spar with bubble gloves. | ||
| Yeah? | ||
| Yeah, so, like... | ||
| We throw, but I'm not going to try to knock you out. | ||
| My training partners, they respect the game too. | ||
| We're getting in there. | ||
| We're fighting. | ||
| It's getting chaotic in there. | ||
| I'm not worried about getting knocked out in training or getting hurt in training and then showing up to a fight with a compromised chin or getting knocked out in practice and then still showing up to the fight. | ||
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Dude, you should probably just pull out and be okay. | |
| That does happen, man. | ||
| That does happen. | ||
| Sometimes guys fight and they're fucked. | ||
| Before the fight even starts. | ||
| Do you remember when Travis Luter fought Marvin Eastman? | ||
| He just touched him on the chair. | ||
| And Marvin just went flat out unconscious. | ||
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It turned out he had been KO'd twice in training. | |
| Shit. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I think it's crazy how someone can go their whole career and be like, fuck, he's durable, it's fucking chin, and then the next day, a stiff breeze. | ||
| Like, dude, what the fuck was that, dude? | ||
| He's taking a dive. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| He's fucking asleep right now. | ||
| Chuck Liddell was a good example of that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Do you see the Chuck Liddell-Tito Ortiz fight? | ||
| The last one? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's like, whoa. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Sad. | ||
| I would really hope to not fight past 40 or whatever. | ||
| It's not even past 40 because Randy won the title past 40 and he was great. | ||
| And he's still great today. | ||
| He's like a wrestler. | ||
| He wasn't like... | ||
| Out there trading. | ||
| But he was out there trading too. | ||
| He got knocked out by Chuck, you know, and then came back and beat Tim Sylvia, knocked down Tim Sylvia in the first round. | ||
| It's just some people are more durable for whatever reason genetically, and then some people it's like the amount of sparring they took in training. | ||
| Chuck is one of the best examples of it because when Chuck was young, he was known for having like a granite chin. | ||
| You could just crack him and he would just fire back at you and he knocked a lot of people out just because he could take a shot so well. | ||
| And then one day, it just stopped working. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| Yeah, and then the knockouts came, you know, like Rampage KO'd him and then other people were KO'ing him and then it just got to a point where it's just like one good punch and you would just go out. | ||
| I feel like your chin is like a pitcher's arm. | ||
| That motherfucker can only take so much. | ||
| You've got a limited number of pitches or shots that you can take before that motherfucker just ain't. | ||
| The way Chuck explained it to me, it's like your brain is protecting you. | ||
| It's like your brain knows you're so tough, and it's like, hey, we've got to protect this guy. | ||
| He's stupid. | ||
| He's going to keep getting hit, so let's just shut off. | ||
| I would like to believe that's a real rationale, but... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| That's a... | ||
| It's probably not. | ||
| No. | ||
| It's probably way more sinister. | ||
| Yeah, your fucking brain's swelling inside your skull right now is what's happening. | ||
| Well, that's the saddest part, right? | ||
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When you see the speech patterns change. | |
| You know, there's quite a few guys that have seen their speech patterns change. | ||
| You see they struggle to try to form sentences. | ||
| You see that slowing of the words. | ||
| And sometimes their movements change. | ||
| That's one of the weirder ones. | ||
| I've noticed guys, like, they've been KO'd a few times, and then I watch them train, and I see they take, like, shorter steps. | ||
| They take, like, it's almost like... | ||
| They're off-balance and shit. | ||
| Yeah, like, their balance is not right, or there's no fluidity. | ||
| Their body movements are almost herky-jerky. | ||
| It's weird when they start a sentence, and then they're, like... | ||
| And then it's like a long pause. | ||
| They forget. | ||
| They're high. | ||
| Are you good? | ||
| They start talking about things again that they just talked about a couple minutes ago. | ||
| They forgot they said it, and they said it again. | ||
| Dude, I do that. | ||
| I retell stories, but Larry's like, did I ever tell you about the times? | ||
| He's like, yeah, motherfucker, you told me that two months ago. | ||
| No, not like 30 seconds, but just a long time. | ||
| A few months ago, I'm like, fuck, dude, I don't have any more stories. | ||
| I gotta go out there and do some wild shit. | ||
| That's normal. | ||
| That's normal. | ||
| That's just life. | ||
| And also, you know, you gotta think of how many different times you talk to people. | ||
| How many different people you talk to. | ||
| You're constantly traveling to fights, constantly training and meeting people. | ||
| Your interactions with people are much more varied than the average person. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Making me feel better. | ||
| I appreciate it. | ||
| No, you're good, man. | ||
| You're good. | ||
| You're good. | ||
| Listen, Eric, it's been great to sit down and talk to you. | ||
| It's been great watching your fights, man. | ||
| I'm a fan. | ||
| You're always exciting. | ||
| It's always a lot of fun. | ||
| I appreciate it, brother. | ||
| And you're a cool dude to talk to. | ||
| So I enjoyed it. | ||
| Appreciate it. | ||
| Good luck to you in everything, man. | ||
| And next five fights, whatever it is, I hope I'm calling them. | ||
| Alright. | ||
| Are we good to talk, man? | ||
| I don't think we ever won one of the fights. | ||
| Actually, I did. | ||
| I beat Darren Stewart, and I think they ran over time. | ||
| Yeah, that happens. | ||
| Sometimes people get mad at me. | ||
| I'm like, yeah, that's not me. | ||
| They tell me in the truck whether or not I can talk to somebody. | ||
| I was like, yeah, I get to talk to Joe, and they're like, fuck out of here. | ||
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It'll happen. | |
| Hopefully. | ||
| Thank you, though. | ||
| Appreciate it, brother. | ||
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