June 28, 2011 - The Joe Rogan Experience
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| the joe rogan experience train by day joe rogan podcast by night all day there's a few guys in la that are like legit la legends so Legends of tattooing. | ||
| He's one of the biggest. | ||
| Yeah, we did one seat and That was painful. | ||
| That kicked my ass. | ||
| Is the back more painful than the arms? | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Really? | ||
| The arms are easy. | ||
| Yeah, the arms are pretty easy. | ||
| You feel it, but you're not crying on my back. | ||
| You were crying? | ||
| Not crying, but about to. | ||
| There were points that my arms were shaking. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Without me moving it. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| See, it's weird what parts hurt, because the elbow hurts a lot. | ||
| Like, the inside of the elbow, that shit hurts a lot. | ||
| I was like, I thought that was numb. | ||
| Because, like, you think about how many times you hit things with your elbows, it doesn't hurt at all. | ||
| I crack head with elbows, but the little ink, it will make you pay. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| It's weird. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I have my full leg, a dragon. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, top to bottom of my leg. | ||
| That's also awful. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Leg is awful? | ||
| Like some parts, like some parts in the tide where the sun don't go. | ||
| When the sun doesn't go. | ||
| You know what's funny about my leg tattoo? | ||
| When this guy was tattooing my inner tie, he was pushing my balls aside so he can ink. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And I was like... | ||
| He's touching your balls. | ||
| Kind of. | ||
| He was pushing them away. | ||
| Well, he's touching them. | ||
| A little bit, yeah. | ||
| You know what's the crazy part? | ||
| When I was there, I was just like... | ||
| Because normally I get tattooed right after a fight because that's my rest time. | ||
| And I was just thinking, this is painful. | ||
| This is awkward. | ||
| I was just thinking about what's worse, the guy pushing my dick away or the pain right there because it was so painful that I was like... | ||
| Wow, I'm hurting. | ||
| Well, the guy pushing your dick away is just weird. | ||
| No, but... | ||
| That's not painful, right? | ||
| It's not painful, but it's very weird. | ||
| It's painful in a way. | ||
| It's weird. | ||
| It feels good. | ||
| You're like, damn, this is enjoyable. | ||
| Yeah, you just start going like... | ||
| You don't want that. | ||
| That would be a problem. | ||
| Or maybe you do. | ||
| Maybe you do. | ||
| No, it doesn't happen. | ||
| Not for you, but for some people. | ||
| Happens. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| But I was like, that, it was painful and awkward. | ||
| That was hard. | ||
| It was hard too. | ||
| I was just like, please finish that part quick. | ||
| So who did your leg? | ||
| This guy called Mark Nava. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He's really good in Japanese style. | ||
| And he's like a mile from my house. | ||
| Oh, wow. | ||
| In Costa Mesa. | ||
| Well, Costa Mesa, that whole... | ||
| Los Angeles, that whole Southern California area is amazing for tattoos. | ||
| Yeah, and I've been lucky most of my tattoos. | ||
| You know, some people got some tattoos and they just get it because they want tattoos and they're shit. | ||
| I'm lucky. | ||
| Everything I got in Ecuador is just clean and it's all what I want. | ||
| How much of it did you get in Ecuador? | ||
| I get basically all this arm. | ||
| Mark Nava did just the snake and the spider in the back. | ||
| Then the rest is all in Ecuador. | ||
| All this arm is in Ecuador, besides the hand. | ||
| This is Sean Tupper, another good guy around in Costa Mesa area. | ||
| Then my back, Mr. Cartoon. | ||
| Having a back piece like your back piece, we just filmed it. | ||
| We just took a video before the podcast, but Mr. Cartoon, that guy is a legend. | ||
| Of all my tattoos, that's number one. | ||
| How hard was it to get in with him? | ||
| Well, every time... | ||
| He works with Ruka, with the brand. | ||
| So he comes visit Pat all the time. | ||
| So every time he comes around, I'm like, come on, dude. | ||
| Come on, dude. | ||
| Get me in. | ||
| And he's like, he's pretty chill, you know. | ||
| Is he? | ||
| Yeah, he's pretty cool. | ||
| And then he's like, okay, talk to my assistant. | ||
| And I just harass the fuck out of this guy. | ||
| I'm like, yo, get me in. | ||
| And basically, he wasn't tattooing during the pandemic. | ||
| He wasn't doing nothing. | ||
| Really? | ||
| And that was his first tattoo bag. | ||
| Oh, wow. | ||
| So he's just chilling? | ||
| He's just chilling. | ||
| I guess he can chill at this point, right? | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| He's a bad motherfucker. | ||
| He's a bad motherfucker. | ||
| He don't need to tattoo more people. | ||
| No. | ||
| So I'm glad he tattooed me. | ||
| That's amazing that he did. | ||
| Yeah, when you get a guy like that, man, God, he's just a legend. | ||
| He's a legend. | ||
| And I'm going to keep finishing my back because I got spots in the sides. | ||
| I'm going to finish with him. | ||
| Did you do it at his studio? | ||
| Yeah, in Santa Monica. | ||
| Does he have pictures on his walls of all the people that he's tattooed? | ||
| Dude, when I was there, I was tripping. | ||
| There's like Eminem in one side. | ||
| There's all the art they have. | ||
| They have like a barber shop that he owns, like literally next door. | ||
| And the seats are like from the 80s, like original, painted by him. | ||
| I was like, wow, this guy's tattooing me. | ||
| So when I get to the shop, he's like, you want to smoke? | ||
| I'm like, fuck yeah. | ||
| He give me a joint of this. | ||
| I don't know why he's smoking. | ||
| And I was like, bro, this is strong. | ||
| It's pure gasoline, brother. | ||
| When he started tattooing me, I was just like... | ||
| I was way too high. | ||
| I was way too high. | ||
| It's sensitive when you're high, right? | ||
| Do you feel it more? | ||
| Oh, I was... | ||
| That's why I was freaking out. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| When I'm... | ||
| Drinking, though? | ||
| Drinking, you know, barely feels shit. | ||
| I never drink during tattoo. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Ever. | ||
| I have. | ||
| I might start doing that now. | ||
| Yeah, it's a good move. | ||
| It dulls the pain quite a bit. | ||
| I definitely smoke all the time I get a tattoo. | ||
| I think that would hurt. | ||
| Oh, it hurt. | ||
| More. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because you're super sensitive when you're high. | ||
| You're sensitive and then you feel your heart going up. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The pain hurts. | ||
| Because sometimes when I'm sober, my heart goes high because your body's going through some shit. | ||
| Yeah, man. | ||
| Your body's also like, hey, bitch, run away from this pain. | ||
| Why are you sitting still? | ||
| When I get my neck done, that was when I was like, I need to get the fuck out of here. | ||
| How is the neck the most painful? | ||
| The throat is pretty fucked up. | ||
| Every time you swallow, good luck. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Right, and they're getting in there. | ||
| And then my head was falling from the fucking table. | ||
| Oh, because you have to lean back, right? | ||
| Oh my goodness. | ||
| Yeah, so I was like, I won't do my neck anymore. | ||
| Thank God it's done. | ||
| Neck pain is weird pain. | ||
| Because your body's like, this is a bad place to have pain. | ||
| Like, you shouldn't have any pain around here. | ||
| This is vulnerable as fuck. | ||
| I know. | ||
| I know. | ||
| Sean Shelby, when he saw my first tattoo, You fucking idiot! | ||
| Sean Shelby said that? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| He's like, you won't be able to get a job. | ||
| I'm like, I don't need a job. | ||
| You won't be able to get a job. | ||
| I was like, you give me a job. | ||
| He was motivating me to don't be an idiot. | ||
| I was like, hey, I'm going to be in the UFC for a long time. | ||
| That's such a silly thing to say. | ||
| Sean Shelby, you silly goose. | ||
| We were laughing about it after the Frankie fight. | ||
| He told me like, hey, You're good. | ||
| I'm like, I told you! | ||
| I'm a idiot, but I told you! | ||
| That's so silly. | ||
| He was laughing about it. | ||
| He's a funny guy. | ||
| But, you know, that job makes people... | ||
| It's not easy. | ||
| No. | ||
| You lose your fucking head. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Think about how many fights fell off and you gotta figure it out yourself. | ||
| There's 500 fighters on the roster that are emailing him every day trying to get a fight, and then you have to deal with crazy managers. | ||
| Some managers are crazy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Some managers are great, but some managers are out of their fucking mind. | ||
| That's why I respect him. | ||
| I don't hate him because people say, fuck the guy, he don't want to help me. | ||
| I'm like, bro, there's like 10 idiots just like you saying the same thing about him. | ||
| Mick Maynard is cool as fuck, though. | ||
| He never loses his shit. | ||
| He's newer, too. | ||
| Is that what it is? | ||
| But he's been around a long time. | ||
| You say newer, but many years. | ||
| But outside in the UFC. Yeah. | ||
| Like the UFC probably is a different animal of pressure. | ||
| Yeah, but even in the UFC, Mick's been around for many years now. | ||
| It's been quite a few years. | ||
| Yeah, that's true. | ||
| But Sean has been since the early days. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, Joe Silva was losing his mind before he quit. | ||
| He had to quit. | ||
| As much as that guy loves the sport, he's like, I can't do it anymore. | ||
| I can't fucking do it anymore. | ||
| Yeah, he was losing his mind. | ||
| That's definitely make you lose your head. | ||
| I like when people quit, though. | ||
| I like when people sail off in the sunset. | ||
| See ya! | ||
| I got enough money. | ||
| Ta-ta for now. | ||
| It's just nice. | ||
| I mean, he got paid out when the UFC got sold to Endeavor. | ||
| Good for him. | ||
| It's like, bye-bye. | ||
| It's like, fuck off, you maniacs. | ||
| Good for him. | ||
| Who want to be around that, anyway? | ||
| I ran into him once since then, and he was so happy. | ||
| He looked lighter. | ||
| Like, the weight of the world was off his shoulders. | ||
| Basically, the whole fucking thing is in your shoulders. | ||
| A fire is pulled off, you got a dent in your head. | ||
| Who's going to fight? | ||
| Find a replacement. | ||
| Well, you know what's crazy is when they have guys do a full camp and a weight cut as an alternate. | ||
| Just in case. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I find that crazy. | ||
| They do that with the many bands. | ||
| I know. | ||
| That's wild. | ||
| When I fought in New York, Luke did that for Usman and Kobe. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah, but he missed weight. | ||
| Oh, that's right. | ||
| He did. | ||
| Yeah, that's right. | ||
| He did miss weight. | ||
| Yeah, but it's hard on the body, man. | ||
| The weight cut is so bad on the body already. | ||
| Weight cuts are like taking punch to the jaw. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You have so many of those. | ||
| Right. | ||
| If you don't do it right, you're fucked. | ||
| Even if you do it right. | ||
| Like look Colby Covington planned for seven months for this fight. | ||
| I mean, you know, it's hard You can't take it away from Kai Cara France because you landed a perfect punch and oh, Cody Garvin. | ||
| Yeah Yeah, what did I say? | ||
| Colby Covington. | ||
| Oh, I'm sorry. | ||
| Cody Garbrandt. | ||
| It's early. | ||
| I haven't had any coffee yet. | ||
| Let me have some coffee. | ||
| Did I say Colby Covington? | ||
| God damn. | ||
| It's weird when you have like a thought in your head. | ||
| I'm probably too sharp because I took mushrooms early. | ||
| You took what? | ||
| Mushrooms early? | ||
| Maybe I'm like feeling off of you. | ||
| I'm confused by your energy. | ||
| Your spiritual energy. | ||
| I'm late 20 early morning so I'm pretty. | ||
| Cody Garbrandt. | ||
| So Cody Garbrandt dropping down to 125 pounds. | ||
| You want some of that? | ||
| Please sir. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| Yeah, and then I was listening to you guys when you guys were talking about it. | ||
| He did a great blah, blah, blah. | ||
| But it's also energy. | ||
| He's been getting KO many times in a row. | ||
| His mind probably knows, oh, if I get touched, I'm going to go down. | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| He don't saw it coming. | ||
| Kyle Grafman is a great fighter, so good for him. | ||
| He knocked him out. | ||
| But when you've been finished many times, also your mind accepted. | ||
| It's like, nah, I've been here before. | ||
| Boop, let's turn it off. | ||
| Yeah, Chuck Liddell told me that later in his career, his mind was recognized and he was about to take punishment and his brain would just shut off easier. | ||
| It's like your brain knows that you've been knocked out too many times. | ||
| Yeah, and then your body knows. | ||
| That's why fighters like that, they should walk away. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| You can't take a shot. | ||
| I'm not about to tell you what you should do, but you probably most likely have to do it. | ||
| Well, it's a young man's game, and then there's a few crafty veterans that can hang around into their 40s. | ||
| My boy Glover Tixater. | ||
| Yeah, Glover is the shining example of that. | ||
| Because he seems so fresh. | ||
| He's amazing. | ||
| And he's had some rough knockouts, man. | ||
| Think about the Rumble knockout. | ||
| Anthony Johnson pulled his teeth right to the stars. | ||
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Oh, my goodness. | |
| Yeah, I mean, that uppercut was spectacular. | ||
| And then, you know, Gustafsson. | ||
| Gustafsson put it on him, man. | ||
| Same uppercut. | ||
| My God. | ||
| And with Gustafsson, that was his best performance of his career. | ||
| I mean, Gustafsson was on fire in that fight. | ||
| He looked sharp. | ||
| Oh, my God. | ||
| He looked so good. | ||
| But then Jon Jones came. | ||
| Meh. | ||
| Yeah, well, there's levels, man. | ||
| There's levels. | ||
| This he couldn't say better. | ||
| When he brought there's levels to this, it's true. | ||
| There's levels. | ||
| You have to stay ahead. | ||
| You have to work the whole time. | ||
| Most people... | ||
| Only pushes when they have a contract, when they hear like, hey, you might be fighting this day. | ||
| This is not this sport. | ||
| I don't even call it. | ||
| I don't think this is a sport. | ||
| This is fighting. | ||
| It's fighting. | ||
| It's fighting. | ||
| So you better be trained the whole time and just ready to go. | ||
| And when you're not in camp, you have to be improved. | ||
| A hundred percent. | ||
| Yeah, you have to be working on things. | ||
| And there's some people that don't do that. | ||
| And, you know, the camps are hard. | ||
| And some people, when they get out of camp, they just want to get fat and relax. | ||
| Not on me. | ||
| No. | ||
| Like Kobe Bryant said, the mama mentality, I call it the immigrant mentality. | ||
| Yeah, immigrant mentality. | ||
| All fucking day, seven days a week. | ||
| Yeah, I love that you quote Joey Diaz like that. | ||
| I love that guy. | ||
| Everybody loves Joey Diaz. | ||
| I love when he tells the Monday video. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It fucking gets me hard. | ||
| He just did a new one on Juliana Pena. | ||
| Did you see that one? | ||
| No, I don't see that one. | ||
| Oh, pull it up. | ||
| Pull it up. | ||
| It's on his Instagram. | ||
| It's fucking beautiful. | ||
| He was talking about how amazing Juliana Pena... | ||
| He's a motherfucker. | ||
| He was coughing and shit. | ||
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He's like, you motherfuckers! | |
| It's fucking Monday. | ||
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If you're coming happy about your weekend, fuck off! | |
| Yeah, he gets fired up. | ||
| That's a guy, that's a mentality you should fucking follow. | ||
| If not, you fuck. | ||
| He's the most unusual person I've ever met. | ||
| But what we were just talking about before that. | ||
| About staying ready ever. | ||
| Yeah, staying... | ||
| There's no season. | ||
| And there's also these moments where you get called. | ||
| Like, for example, this is not MMA, but it's boxing. | ||
| This Jake Paul-Tyron Woodley rematch, which is this weekend. | ||
| Tyron just got the call. | ||
| I think it was like 15, 16 days out, something like that. | ||
| And there's not that many days. | ||
| Almost guaranteed he wasn't ready. | ||
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Phew. | |
| I mean, I can't imagine that he was training in a full camp. | ||
| Like, when I'm not in camp, I'm Monday through Friday in the gym. | ||
| In the weekends, I'm going long distance. | ||
| I'm going 13, 15 miles. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And then, out of camp is when I ask that you need to coach, like, hey, I've been having issues here. | ||
| Or the wrestling coach, how to defend this. | ||
| When you're in camp, there's not many times to get better. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You just get your mind set. | ||
| You listen to your head coach. | ||
| Your body should be fit by then. | ||
| But out of gum is when you're adding tools, when you're getting new guns, new bullets. | ||
| Did you ever see when BJ Penn was training with Marv Marinovich? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He told me a lot about it, and Parillo told me too. | ||
| What I heard about it, it was all about... | ||
| Cardio. | ||
| Three or four seconds. | ||
| But that's why he had a great first round. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And then he slow down. | ||
| Well, no, not necessarily. | ||
| That was when he beat Sean Shirk. | ||
| That was when he beat... | ||
| Who else would he fight? | ||
| Diego Sanchez with the head kick. | ||
| Diego Sanchez, that's right. | ||
| Those fights were when he was supremely conditioned. | ||
| But the point was, their idea was, you already know how to fight. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| The camp is not for fighting. | ||
| The camp is for physical preparation. | ||
| So to get yourself in peak condition, that was what they thought. | ||
| I can talk because I'm in that camp. | ||
| I'm with Parillo. | ||
| So they were focusing a lot on explosion. | ||
| But then what about the long distance? | ||
| That's what Parillo says. | ||
| It's not about a sprint. | ||
| It's not about intervals. | ||
| It's not about long distance. | ||
| It's about the three of them. | ||
| And that's one thing I add from him because he liked me to sprint. | ||
| He likes to sprint. | ||
| Me, personally, my favorite thing is go over 50 miles. | ||
| Just run almost three hours. | ||
| Like, just go. | ||
| Why do you like doing that? | ||
| Because my mind gets so sharp, I'm thinking, I'm visualizing, I'm thinking, I'm seeing the future. | ||
| I'm like, I basically am thinking on what I want, how I want to get it done. | ||
| But then also, you got to be able to keep yourself active for that long. | ||
| Because when you do intervals, like last night, I did a sprint, like fast, like 12 miles per hour, two minutes. | ||
| I did like six rounds like that. | ||
| It's hard as fuck. | ||
| Your heart is going to get off your chest, but you know it's two minutes. | ||
| You know it's going to end. | ||
| So it's almost like you teach yourself to stop here. | ||
| When I do my long distance, there's no, it's almost done. | ||
| Because when I go six, seven miles to the left, I know I got to come back. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| So I like everything. | ||
| All of them work because one, it helped me being explosive, helped me being fast, but the other one, In the championship rounds, it's going to show. | ||
| And you don't get this overnight. | ||
| I don't start running and get to 13 miles in a week. | ||
| It took me months to get there. | ||
| Now, I do 13, 15, whenever I want. | ||
| But also, I don't stop using it. | ||
| Barilo always said, you don't use it, you lose it. | ||
| So you got to come back to the basics. | ||
| You got to keep doing it. | ||
| That's why I say it's not seasonal. | ||
| It's never ending. | ||
| When you're in camp, do you run long distances? | ||
| They stop me to do it. | ||
| Yeah? | ||
| Because they're like, hey, okay, four weeks out, forget about it. | ||
| Now we have to be fast and explosive, which I listen to my team. | ||
| That's why I'm winning. | ||
| And you already have the cardio base. | ||
| I already have it. | ||
| The low base has been done the whole year. | ||
| On camp, I just focus on be quick and be sharp and be ready to go. | ||
| When you started in Ecuador, what kind of facilities were available? | ||
| Nothing. | ||
| Nothing? | ||
| I was training on living rooms with mats. | ||
| Let's say you move this table, you put mats, and we go jab, cross, hook, back and forth. | ||
| Really? | ||
| There was nothing. | ||
| What motivated you to get into it? | ||
| This is the crazy thing. | ||
| This goes back to when I'm a four-year-old kid in Ecuador, in this town called Chona. | ||
| I was fighting on the street, the homeless kids, that they clean shoes for money or they sell, like, chiclets or cigarettes. | ||
| My brother used to call these kids, give them a couple bucks, to fight me. | ||
| For fun. | ||
| Like the fucking circus. | ||
| And I love it. | ||
| This is when you were four? | ||
| I was a kid, five, four, yes. | ||
| They used to make me fight, just for fun. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| And they would laugh about it. | ||
| And if I lose, they get mad. | ||
| But I used to ask for it. | ||
| I'm like, bro, I want to fight today. | ||
| That was like, instead of go play soccer, that was for me. | ||
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And it was fight MMA? No, it was a street fight. | |
| Right, just crap. | ||
| But no rules, no gloves? | ||
| Of course, don't bite, don't do crazy shit. | ||
| Did you guys discuss this beforehand? | ||
| No, we just fight. | ||
| Punches. | ||
| Well, I guess we were gentlemen. | ||
| They used to make me fight. | ||
| So, they would be like, okay, we found this kid, fight him. | ||
| I was like, right now? | ||
| Yeah, don't be a fucking pussy. | ||
| I was like, okay, whatever. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| But that was just for fun. | ||
| But then when I started growing up, I wasn't an aggressive person, but I'd always be looking for a fight. | ||
| I don't know what was there. | ||
| Maybe it was Chuck Norris. | ||
| Chuck Norris got you into it? | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| You remember Walker Ranger of Texas? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| That was my shit. | ||
| Cowboy boots, hats. | ||
| And I would want to fight every bad person. | ||
| Did you wear cowboy boots and the hat? | ||
| Oh, growing up. | ||
| I was a cowboy. | ||
| My dad has a farm since I remember. | ||
| Oh, yeah? | ||
| Cows, everything. | ||
| Oh, wow. | ||
| So, it's just the environment I grew up in. | ||
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It was weird. | |
| It was all like man shit, wake up at three in the morning, pick up the cows. | ||
| And I don't have to do that. | ||
| I was doing it for fun. | ||
| Like, the employee would pick me up at three in the morning. | ||
| Hey, Chito. | ||
| And I just jump on his horse. | ||
| He took me. | ||
| My dad wake up with a cup of coffee and I was like, hmm. | ||
| It was working, but in my mind I was just having fun. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| So you enjoyed it? | ||
| Oh, I love it. | ||
| If I retire right now, I can go back to Ecuador and just work for my dad in the farm. | ||
| Be life the rest of my life. | ||
| That's what you do? | ||
| Do you think that's what you'll do when you retire? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I got three kids. | ||
| They basically are Americans. | ||
| Americans are from here. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't think there's a way back for me because by the time they're 15, I can be like, yo, daddy want to be happy network. | ||
| Fuck off. | ||
| We're from California, dude. | ||
| Yeah, right. | ||
| It's going to be hard to bring them back. | ||
| Unless California goes crazy. | ||
| Unless California keeps getting... | ||
| Unless what's happening in Los Angeles makes its way to where you are. | ||
| Them I'm fucked. | ||
| Them I'm out of there. | ||
| Them I've come here to Texas. | ||
| Yeah, a lot of people are doing that. | ||
| And I can wear my cowboy hat here. | ||
| Oh, you blend right in. | ||
| I bought yesterday a pair of boots. | ||
| Oh, yeah? | ||
| Where'd you go? | ||
| Allen boots. | ||
| Oh, Allen boots. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| On Congress, right? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| When I saw it, I was like, holy fuck, these things are beautiful. | ||
| Oh, that's a great place. | ||
| But now, you know, I live in Cali. | ||
| I live like a little hipster. | ||
| Cut pants. | ||
| Colorful shit. | ||
| Yeah, you look like a hippie, man. | ||
|
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I know. | |
| Look at you. | ||
| You get tie-dye on and everything. | ||
| All the time. | ||
| But... | ||
| That's where I come from. | ||
| I don't forget that. | ||
| I steal my soul. | ||
| Like, if I see a horse, I get happy. | ||
| I want to ride it. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Now, when you were little, and your brothers have you fight, and you were fighting these homeless people, did you have any kind of training? | ||
| Zero. | ||
| Zero? | ||
| Zero. | ||
| So, they were like... | ||
| Just for fun, tough people. | ||
| Like, hey kid, come on, fight. | ||
| There was not like a bad blood or bad enemy. | ||
| It was just like, hey, just crap. | ||
| For fun. | ||
| For fun. | ||
| Or they would put boxing gloves that sometimes were like a sock with a bunch of socks inside. | ||
| That was a boxing glove. | ||
| Oh my God. | ||
| And my brother used to be like, come on, let me teach you. | ||
| And that sock move. | ||
| You get punched with the fist, right? | ||
| Both black guys. | ||
| My mom came home. | ||
| What happened? | ||
| Oh, my brother beat the fuck out of me. | ||
| He was teaching me boxing. | ||
| He don't know shit. | ||
| He was just telling me, like, hey, come on, punch it with me. | ||
| And then the socks would move. | ||
| And he would just get straight knuckles. | ||
| Straight knuckles in my face. | ||
| But then by the time I was, like, seven or eight, there was a karate school right in front of my house. | ||
| I would beg my mom, please, please, please. | ||
| Like, literally, you can walk there. | ||
| And she was like, no, I don't like fighting, blah, blah. | ||
| You know, typical mom. | ||
| One day she agreed. | ||
| Okay, let's go. | ||
| They pay for the month. | ||
| I get my kimono. | ||
| They show me, like, jab cross, spinning wheel kick. | ||
| The next day in the school, I told my friend. | ||
| It wasn't even a fight. | ||
| You say, hey, stand there. | ||
| Let me show you what I learned. | ||
| One, two, spinning wheel kick to the stomach. | ||
| The kid was crying. | ||
| Karate was gone. | ||
| Karate was fucking gone. | ||
| I fucking told you. | ||
| You punch your friend. | ||
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I'm like... | |
| I didn't do it because I'm a bad kid. | ||
| I want to show them what I learned. | ||
| But I kicked him like he was a boxing bag. | ||
| I just went full blast. | ||
| Jab crosses, spin to the stomach. | ||
| That kid was crying. | ||
| And then my mom was like, that's a wrap. | ||
| No more. | ||
| So they never let me train. | ||
| I would beg them for training. | ||
| So when did you first start formally training? | ||
| When I was 16 years old, my neighbor told me, like, yo, there's this Jiu Jitsu gym. | ||
| It's really good. | ||
| I know you like fighting. | ||
| I know you're fighting all the time. | ||
| You should come. | ||
| that will probably calm you down. | ||
| I went with him one day, I paid for the full month, like right away, no, no, no try class, no nothing, since that that day until today, yo, I haven't stopped training. - Wow. - But my family, I get it why they never support me at the beginning. | ||
| They were like, nah, they thought I was a boy in college. | ||
| I was just different. | ||
| You know, my sister and my brother, they graduate from high school, straight to college. | ||
| Both have the degree, normal people, smart people. | ||
| I wasn't the case. | ||
| I was getting in trouble all the time. | ||
| You know, cops, school, everywhere I go, there was an issue. | ||
| My group of friends were fucking maniacs. | ||
| Not that it didn't help either. | ||
| So when I started fighting and I was like, okay, no more crazy life, no more bullshit. | ||
| I want to fight. | ||
| They were like, oh, no. | ||
| No, if you get better at this, you're going to hurt people. | ||
| You're a dumbass. | ||
| They wouldn't want this for you. | ||
| And I was like, no, if I start doing this, it's because I really want it. | ||
| They didn't believe it. | ||
| But it's because all the bad things I already did come until this point. | ||
| By the moment I started training, everything around my life stopped. | ||
| Like, no more party, no more outside life, no more skateboarding, no more surfing. | ||
| I left everything. | ||
| And I focused on jiu-jitsu to become a fighter. | ||
| And since that day I touched that gym, never stopped coming. | ||
| And this was this place in Ecuador. | ||
| Who was running it? | ||
| My first Jiu Jitsu coach is Fernando Soluso. | ||
| These guys came from Fabio Gurguel in Brazil. | ||
| So he came from... | ||
| This guy is legit. | ||
| He came from the times when Marcelo Garcia, Galbao, all those guys were competing. | ||
| He came from the same age. | ||
| So he came from a good group. | ||
| He's really close to Damien. | ||
| Like very close. | ||
| Oh wow. | ||
| So he came to Ecuador to decide to open a school and he put Jiu Jitsu on the mat because he came from Brazil. | ||
| If he would have never came... | ||
| Why did he decide to go to Ecuador? | ||
| I have no idea. | ||
| He just came one day and never left. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| And until this day, he's still teaching. | ||
| And he was fighting too. | ||
| He was fighting to show people, like, look, I'm not that good in the striking, but with my jiu-jitsu, I can win fights. | ||
| And for me, I was like, easy road. | ||
| I want to come and do this. | ||
| But before he gets to know who I am, I came to the gym. | ||
| I was like, hey, man, my name is Chito. | ||
| I want to be a UFC fighter. | ||
| He's like, fuck off, kid. | ||
| It's like, what do you train? | ||
| Are you a boxer? | ||
| Are you a kickboxer? | ||
| No, I'm nothing. | ||
| But I want to be a UFC fighter. | ||
| So I came saying that to everybody. | ||
| I want to be a UFC fighter. | ||
| And people used to laugh about it. | ||
| It's like, dude, you're nothing. | ||
| You never trained in your life. | ||
| It doesn't matter. | ||
| I want to be a UFC fighter. | ||
| And the first day I showed up to school, That was it. | ||
| And then the year later, I graduated from high school. | ||
| I was coming twice a day. | ||
| Every day. | ||
| It's almost like at the beginning, we're like, fuck off, kid. | ||
| We don't want you here. | ||
| You're like annoying. | ||
| I never stopped coming. | ||
| Until this day. | ||
| I never stopped. | ||
| That's amazing. | ||
| Well, you had a vision. | ||
| I just saw the UFC. I saw Pride FC. I saw Strikeforce, and I was like, wait a minute. | ||
| I don't need to go to college. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| Do you remember the first event that you saw? | ||
| Yes, it was GSP. I watch a lot of old ones, but live, it was GSP Koczek, if I'm not wrong, the first one. | ||
| GSP Josh Koczek? | ||
| Yeah, and I told myself, I want to be like that guy. | ||
| That was a rough one, because Koczek got that broken orbital, and his eyes swole up. | ||
| I think that was the second one. | ||
| Was it? | ||
| Yeah, I'm a nerd. | ||
| Jamie, tell us. | ||
| GSP and Koczek fought twice. | ||
| Yeah, one was the ultimate fighter, and the other one was a regular one, if I'm not wrong. | ||
| The regular one is not the one you saw? | ||
| You saw the Ultimate Fighter one? | ||
| Which one did you see? | ||
| If I'm not wrong, the orbital with the front Superman was the second one. | ||
| Yes, it was the second one. | ||
| Yeah, I watched the first one. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| That's the one that get me like, oh, wow, look at the guy. | ||
| I want to be like that when I grew up. | ||
| And also, I started shaving my head. | ||
| I shaved my head the first 10 years. | ||
| Even my UFC debut, I had a full-on shave head just like that. | ||
| I can't remember Josh Koscheck's first fight with GSP. It was UFC 74. You got an image of it? | ||
| No, I was trying to find the images. | ||
| I just have... | ||
| God, I don't remember that fight. | ||
| I'm trying to remember that fight. | ||
| Yeah, Ultimate Fighter finale. | ||
| What happened? | ||
| Decision. | ||
| Decision? | ||
| Both of them decision, right? | ||
| Yeah, it was a decision, yeah. | ||
| The second one was a rough one. | ||
| That was the one where Koscheck... | ||
| It was fucked up because he couldn't even fly. | ||
| He had to get his eye operated on, and I believe they drove. | ||
| Superman, Superman. | ||
| I think that was Montreal, right? | ||
| Or was it Toronto? | ||
| Should be, because the first one was a small one. | ||
| It was either Montreal or Toronto. | ||
| But he had to drive. | ||
| I remember it was Canada. | ||
| It might have been... | ||
| Was that the one where he fought in front of 60,000 people at the Rogers Center? | ||
| It was huge. | ||
| One of those. | ||
| That one was crazy. | ||
| And being a kid from Ecuador, I told myself, I want to be that. | ||
| And half the entire fucking nation just screaming for myself. | ||
| He inspired me in a good way. | ||
| Like, I was like, I want to be that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, almost, like, teach me how to win fights, just be watching him over. | ||
| And I was like, fuck, I want to be like this guy. | ||
| But then I would, like, watch WEC, Pride FC. Like, I was just so much of a big fan of the sport that helped me become a pro fighter easily. | ||
| So you were in Ecuador, you were training jiu-jitsu. | ||
| When did you have your first fight? | ||
| Literally a year after the first day I stepped in the gym, I was a bluebell, I was training a little bit of kickboxing, and this guy came like, hey, somebody get hurt, you want to fight? | ||
| And I was like, okay, who's this other guy? | ||
| He's like, ah, he's a kid like you, he practices kickboxing, you're a kid, you do jiu-jitsu, it's going to be fun. | ||
| I fly to Quito, the capital, with one of my friends. | ||
| I have to make my mom sign a contract because, of course, I was underage. | ||
| I told my mom it was a Jiu-Jitsu tournament. | ||
| Lady didn't read. | ||
| She signed it. | ||
| I flew to Quito. | ||
| And then I was like, what the fuck I'm doing here? | ||
| It was a mechanic, a car mechanic. | ||
| They put a rope with a bunch of sheets, so you don't see the mechanic's eye. | ||
| They put four walls, like making of a cage. | ||
| It looks like a rooster cage. | ||
| The ground was the mats, the squares that have like the cookies. | ||
| Puzzle mats. | ||
| Yeah, the puzzle mats. | ||
| And a fucking metal cage. | ||
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Whoa. | |
| The metal was going like that. | ||
| So if you get too close to the cage, you're caught. | ||
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Really? | |
| Yes. | ||
| And then I was like, okay, there's no way-ins. | ||
| There's no locker room. | ||
| It's a fucking mechanic. | ||
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It's... | |
| Quito, the capital, is coal, too. | ||
| There's no heater. | ||
| I show up with a fucking hoodie on my shorts. | ||
| I was like, what? | ||
| What the fuck am I doing here? | ||
| I was like, okay, who's my opponent? | ||
| I don't see no kids in here. | ||
| All grown men with tattoos looking mean. | ||
| And then I asked the guy that contacted me for the fight. | ||
| I'm like, yo, who am I fighting? | ||
| See the guy there with the dread? | ||
| I was like, he's not a fucking kid. | ||
| He's like, ah, it's okay. | ||
| You should be fine. | ||
| And we were the main event. | ||
| I didn't use shit. | ||
| You were the main event? | ||
| Yeah, but this is not licensed. | ||
| This is a homie making fights in the back of the mechanic. | ||
| So I wrap my hands with just regular hand wraps, put it on. | ||
| I don't have a mouthpiece with me. | ||
| They go to buy one, boil it, put it in my mouth. | ||
| And I'm like, okay, it's your turn. | ||
| Go! | ||
| No warm-up, no nothing. | ||
| No nothing. | ||
| I was a Jujitsu kid showing up to this MMA show. | ||
| This fucker threw a spinning wheel kick to my face. | ||
| I closed my eyes and shot a double leg. | ||
| And that thing just touched my hair. | ||
| And I was like, okay, I'm not going to strike with this guy because I don't know how to strike. | ||
| So for one round, I tried to take him down over and over and over. | ||
| And Kitu is like, just like Mexico City is high altitude. | ||
| First round's over. | ||
| My throat and my lungs were dry. | ||
| I told my friend, like, bro, what the fuck? | ||
| I don't want to be here. | ||
| He's like, no, you're there. | ||
| Don't be a fucking pussy. | ||
| Go out and fight. | ||
| I'm like, what should I do? | ||
| Just keep taking him down. | ||
| Your G2 wins all the time. | ||
| That's what he told me. | ||
| And I was like, okay, I guess you're right. | ||
| Went back in the second round, take him down, unbar him. | ||
| When I tap him out, There's no feeling like that. | ||
| That was my first MMA win. | ||
| I was the most high natural drug I ever took in my life, was winning that day by Amber. | ||
| And I told myself, I will put everything on the world that affects to be a good athlete aside. | ||
| And since that day, I started training like a maniac, like non-stop. | ||
| So everything that could possibly get in the way of that, you put that aside? | ||
| Everything. | ||
| Everything. | ||
| Like, hey, bro, there's a good thing tonight. | ||
| No. | ||
| Like, my girlfriend, which is my wife now, she knew I was like, it was fighting. | ||
| I was obsessed. | ||
| I'm going to marry to the UFC. And here we are. | ||
| And you said you weren't training very much striking. | ||
| Did you start training striking after that? | ||
| So this Jiu-Jitsu, Fernando Saluso, have like a kickboxing coach in the side. | ||
| That he would use for himself and some other guys. | ||
| And I started training with them in the MMA class in the mornings. | ||
| So these guys like have some kickboxing skills and also was like a brown belt at the time in Jiu Jitsu. | ||
| So he would put together some classes but MMA class was shin guards and gloves. | ||
| Just beat the shit out of each other. | ||
| So there was no like strategy, technique? | ||
| Oh no. | ||
| The technique back then was like high kick back on four. | ||
| Five minute rounds. | ||
| Okay, switch kick back on four. | ||
| It was a beginner class. | ||
| And back then, MMA was blind in Ecuador. | ||
| And what year was this? | ||
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This is 2012. 2012? | |
| 2011, yeah. | ||
| Because I made my UFC debut 2014. Oh, this is way before then. | ||
| Fuck, this is a long time ago. | ||
| So, the Jiu Jitsu was legit. | ||
| People were winning in Brazil, people were winning in the US, in the Pan Ams, in the Worlds, but MMA was blind. | ||
| Did you have to combine this stuff yourself, like the transitions between the kicks and punches and the takedowns, or did they have any strategy for that? | ||
| The Jiu Jitsu coach, Fernando, he would be like, okay... | ||
| Jab to the takedown. | ||
| Jab to the takedown. | ||
| You know, like very old school basic. | ||
| You know, if somebody throws a low kick, run the takedown. | ||
| Or we will do days that we're only sparring the wall, trying to take somebody down. | ||
| But it wasn't like what I have right now. | ||
| Like a full-on class technique, you do this, you have to do that. | ||
| There was no experience. | ||
| This guy, Soluso, he was a fighter himself, but he was winning with Jiu-Jitsu. | ||
| He was going full-on takedown and submit the guy as soon as he get down. | ||
| A couple fights he couldn't take the guy down, they were bad fights for him. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But it was just the old days. | ||
| The old days, yeah. | ||
| MMA wasn't big in Ecuador. | ||
| Nobody would see the UFC. So they didn't know what you were trying to do? | ||
| When I told my dad, I want to be a UFC fighter, he was like, UFC. What the fuck is that? | ||
| And I was like, UFC, it's on TV. He's like, there's a lot of things in TV, kid. | ||
| And I was like, you don't get it. | ||
| Like, it was just not popular. | ||
| It was hard to support a kid that wanted to do that. | ||
| It was just like, what is that? | ||
| UFC? Oh, cage fighting. | ||
| Oh, awesome. | ||
| So, we basically figured it out. | ||
| in the process that's all by the time the gfc contacted me to send me to albuquerque to the latin american program with all the with all with all the mexicans yeah what year was that that was 2014. so only a couple years into your your fighting career at all i was six and one wow And I have 19 fights in the UFC right now. | ||
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Wow. | |
| So I tripled. | ||
| I almost tripled my record inside the UFC. So that's what I kind of take pride on it. | ||
| Because most people made it like me. | ||
| Win one, lose one, get caught. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because I was so young. | ||
| When I made my UFC debut in Mexico, I barely knew what I was doing. | ||
| I was just like... | ||
| I was in Jackson for six months. | ||
| In six months, you don't get better. | ||
| I was motivated because I was with John Jones, with Cowboy, you know, even Dodson wasn't his prime. | ||
| Holy Homer was around, so I was like, fuck, I'm training with all these people. | ||
| I'm going to kick ass. | ||
| And then my coach from Ecuador came and he's like, hey, they did everything wrong. | ||
| I'm going to fix it for you. | ||
| I was like, what do you mean? | ||
| He was trying to take credit for everything, but just that alone fucked me in the head. | ||
| I was like, wait a minute. | ||
| What did he think they were doing wrong? | ||
| He was just, make sure he control everything. | ||
| So if I lose, see? | ||
| Greg Jackson make you lose. | ||
| If you win, oh, I fix it on five weeks. | ||
| Now I'm a grown man. | ||
| I understand what bullshit means. | ||
| I was a kid back then. | ||
| I was 21. So I was just trying to figure it out on the go. | ||
| There's a lot of coaches that do that, man. | ||
| That didn't last much. | ||
| After that fight, we had one more fight and I was like, I told my manager, hey, that's a wrap. | ||
| I need to get out of Ecuador. | ||
| If I stay here, I'm done. | ||
| Even the UFC told me, hey, Sean basically told me, I believe in you, but if you don't get out of Ecuador, you're done. | ||
| And because of your relationship with your coach? | ||
| It was a pretty shitty relationship with the coach. | ||
| This is not the Jiu Jitsu guy, this is the MMA guy. | ||
| It was very shitty and low level. | ||
| He would play tricks, play mind games. | ||
| I see this in my dreams. | ||
| He had dreams? | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Oh, fuck. | ||
| Yeah, it's bullshit. | ||
| And my family was telling me about it all the time. | ||
| Watch out. | ||
| Be careful. | ||
| It's just weird the way he controls you. | ||
| And I would kind of put myself against my family. | ||
| No, you guys are wrong. | ||
| He's right. | ||
| That happens a lot to guys early in their career. | ||
| If they get unlucky, they can get hooked up with the wrong coach. | ||
| He was my first MMA coach. | ||
| That's why I get hooked with him and I will believe anything he says. | ||
| It's so common, man. | ||
| You get a talented guy that gets hooked up with the wrong people. | ||
| At some point, he actually did help on some things. | ||
| But the amount of power he wants over me is what fucks everything. | ||
| But that's what a low-level guy will do. | ||
| A low-level guy that sees potential in a guy like you and thinks this is his ticket. | ||
| You know, the moment I realized everything was shit was the moment he asked for 50%. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| I paid 50% of one fight and I ended up having nothing in my pocket after that. | ||
| 50 fucking percent! | ||
| I know, yeah, but... | ||
| Oh my God! | ||
| Those learning experiences, thank God, happened early. | ||
| So by the time I am right now here, I'm not getting bullshit. | ||
| You know, I'm working. | ||
| I'm working hard. | ||
| Everybody gets paid, but that also teaches me a lot. | ||
| 50% is crazy talk. | ||
| Oh, it's... | ||
| When my dad find out, he's like, bro, you're getting raped with no condom. | ||
| And I was like... | ||
| I get super mad about it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because I was defending my old coach instead of, like, listening to them. | ||
| When he said he wanted 50%, what was that conversation like? | ||
| Like, what was he saying? | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| I remember I was watching fights on TV, and he texted me, hey, I saw this interview with Ronda Rousey. | ||
| This is when Ronda was on top of the world. | ||
| And she said all the success is because of coach, and she paid him 50%. | ||
| So, you want to do that? | ||
| And I was like, yeah, sure. | ||
| He had me hooked, so whatever he said, I have to accept it. | ||
| But now that I'm here today, I'm like, Ronda wasn't paying 50%. | ||
| Yeah, that's horseshit. | ||
| There's a standard. | ||
| It's like 10%, 12% sometimes. | ||
| But all those things took me to where I am today. | ||
| Well, it's good sometimes to be bullshitted. | ||
| Like, it's good to have a bad girlfriend so you recognize what a good girlfriend's like. | ||
| It's good to have a bad manager so you realize what a good one's like. | ||
| It's true. | ||
| No, so... | ||
| Everything happened. | ||
| You know, they say it's kind of silly. | ||
| Everything happened for a reason. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You are also an idiot for letting that happen to you, but you learn from that. | ||
| If you learn from that, it's good. | ||
| Yeah, everybody's an idiot at one point in life. | ||
| But the problem is what happened twice. | ||
| Then you're a real idiot. | ||
| Then you're a real idiot. | ||
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| Well, some people just get emotionally connected to a manager or to a coach, and then they really have a hard time breaking up with them. | ||
| Some people, they get their hooks in deep. | ||
| I was pretty hooked, yeah. | ||
| It happens, man. | ||
| There's been world champions that have ruined their career because they had a bad coach. | ||
| They didn't go with the real camp. | ||
| And they had one strategy that was winning for a while, but there's these holes in that strategy that someone recognized, but they didn't. | ||
| That's exciting. | ||
| We used to think about it. | ||
| You always will win from the guard with a triangle. | ||
| And I have like six triangles, like early. | ||
| And then it's like, that's it. | ||
| You just need that. | ||
| And then you made it to the UFC. You fight some high caliber. | ||
| And then that triangle is fucking not working at all. | ||
| There's a few guys that have a technique that they just did over and over and over and over and over and over. | ||
| And there's a point. | ||
| Did you ever see Paul Sass fight? | ||
| I know the name. | ||
| He's got like a hundred fucking triangle wins. | ||
| He was always catching people with triangles. | ||
| Like if you got that guy on his back, you were fucked. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| It's a rare moment. | ||
| Like some people, they just develop this one technique that's so goddamn sharp. | ||
| Remember Cody McKenzie? | ||
| He had the McKenzie team. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like a high album. | ||
| Catch everybody in the guillotine. | ||
| Yeah, the problem is when that stops working, then you're fucked forever. | ||
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Then you're fucked. | |
| Yeah, but it's funny how some people, how far they can get with one technique. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know? | ||
| My first five fights, they were basically all triangle choked. | ||
| Really? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I have like six triangle chokes. | ||
| I was like, one in the UFC. And then... | ||
| The first time I lost in the UFC, I threw like three triangles, didn't work. | ||
| And then I was looking to the corner like, hey, this is not working. | ||
| What the fuck should I do now? | ||
| Because I didn't have any other technique. | ||
| So how did you get to Jackson's? | ||
| I was driving. | ||
| I got a call from a number that says USA. And I was like, weird. | ||
| I'm from Ecuador. | ||
| So I pick up. | ||
| I was like, hey, Marlon, you've been selected to be in the UFC. And then I fucking almost crashed. | ||
| When they say UFC... My dick got hard. | ||
| I was like, what the fuck? | ||
| So this was Ultimate Fighter? | ||
| Number one that time. | ||
| Yeah, the first Latin American Ultimate Fighter. | ||
| So you're selected to go to the Ultimate Fighter. | ||
| So you have to go to Jackson's and train. | ||
| And if you're good, they put you on. | ||
| If you're bad, they train you until you're good. | ||
| And there's two options. | ||
| You either make it or will you send you back? | ||
| And I was getting some pictures with my friend to send to Mexico to defend my belt. | ||
| I had a belt in Mexico I have to defend in December against this ex-Bellator guy. | ||
| So that was a big fight because if you win that fight against an American, you're pretty much in the UFC. It's the way things work, right? | ||
| Because I used to make my own fights. | ||
| I used to contact every single promoter in South America, tell them I will fight for free, just because I want to let myself know two people and be in the UFC one day. | ||
| So I make their job easy, because back then you were making 500 bucks. | ||
| Anyway, so like, don't pay me nothing. | ||
| Send me a flyer. | ||
| With this flyer, I ask sponsors to pay for my ticket, my hotel, and I go and fight, and I have people get to know who I am. | ||
| So, I take those pictures, send to the promoter in Mexico, and literally, the moment I send the email, my phone rings, and I was like, hello? | ||
| Hey, Marlon, we call regardless from the UFC. You've been selected. | ||
| I hit the curve. | ||
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Boom! | |
| My tire explodes. | ||
| I was like, UFC, are you the fucking UFC? And they're like, yeah, you've been selected. | ||
| I was like, hey, if this is a joke, I'm going to kill you. | ||
| Because somehow my sister and my brother, they're fucking dicks in a good way. | ||
| And I was like, they're probably fucking with me. | ||
| Because this is a good story. | ||
| This happened... | ||
| Were they speaking to you in Spanish? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| So I was like, fuck, if this is my sister and my brother, I'm going to burn them alive. | ||
| But my dad told me, hey, this is the last year you have to try this. | ||
| After this, you find a real job, you work for me, or you leave the house. | ||
| And you were 21 at the time? | ||
| That was 20. And this is November, like the last couple days of November, he told me, you got until December. | ||
| December 2nd is my birthday. | ||
| December 1st, the bank is closed for you. | ||
| You either work or you're fucked. | ||
| And I know my dad is a hardcore, old-school guy. | ||
| I know there's no chance for that. | ||
| So this was my last chance, this fight in December. | ||
| I don't know, sometime in December. | ||
| That was my last chance to marry to the UFC. So when these people called me, this is the last week of November. | ||
| So I was like, fuck, this could be my sister and my brother just fucking with me. | ||
| And I hit the curve, the tire explodes, I parked, and I was like, okay, are you real, the UFC? Yeah, you've been selected, you have to fly to Abu'rki, train, and they will check your email, you will have info to file on for your tickets and blah, blah, blah. | ||
| Cool. | ||
| My dad was ready to stop supporting me. | ||
| And I was already married. | ||
| I have one daughter. | ||
| So my dad was helping me so I can train all day. | ||
| He was helping me with my rent, helping me with some food, but just basic essentials. | ||
| I'll have to figure it out at rest. | ||
| And he told me, December 1st came, kid. | ||
| You're done. | ||
| You'll find a job and fuck that fighting dream. | ||
| I called him. | ||
| The fucking UFC called me! | ||
| His partner was like, fuck, I'm fucked now. | ||
| And I was like, dad, they called me. | ||
| I'm gonna leave Tobolkirki. | ||
| I'm gonna make it. | ||
| And we all will be good. | ||
| I fucking make it. | ||
| I love you. | ||
| Thanks for everything you did for me. | ||
| Blah, blah, blah. | ||
| I drove straight to my wife and I was like, hey, I'm leaving Tobolkirki for six months. | ||
| A regular wife will be like, freaking out. | ||
| The smile on her face just make my day. | ||
| Six months? | ||
| Six months. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| You gotta leave. | ||
| So I trained for those six months there. | ||
| And then the finale of the Ultimate Fighter was in November when it was at Margo Hunt in Verdun. | ||
| That was Mexico City. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So we went to Ultimate Fighter. | ||
| I was there for that one. | ||
| I know. | ||
| That's what hurt me the most. | ||
| Not just not winning, but not getting to talk to you that day. | ||
| I swear to God. | ||
| I was so upset. | ||
| And I really thought I won the fight. | ||
| It was a decision, but I was like, I thought I did enough. | ||
| I was kind of hype, and then I was like, oh shit, whatever. | ||
| That broke my heart in 20,000 pieces, because it was my UFC debut. | ||
| I made it to the UFC, and I was like, fuck, I made all this, and I'm a fucking loser. | ||
| That loss made me hard in a way. | ||
| I was like, okay, no more fucking bullshit. | ||
| No more weird coach. | ||
| No more bullshit. | ||
| No more whatever people say. | ||
| I'm going to focus so hard that one day I'm going to go to be a world champion. | ||
| Because it was like... | ||
| It was so much in the past. | ||
| Like, even what my dad did for me and my family, my wife's family, what they did for her to stay with a guy that wasn't making a fucking dime and just training all day like a maniac, for a good reason. | ||
| So I was like, if I make all that to come here and lose like this, I'm a fucking failure. | ||
| So that right there kind of gives me the foundation to don't be a fucking loser. | ||
| Like, literally, I was so hard on myself that I was like, I gotta get killed, too. | ||
| Again. | ||
| Well, you were young, and it's, you know... | ||
| It was early. | ||
| That was a very close fight. | ||
| It was a very close fight. | ||
| It was early, too. | ||
| Just that experience, too, to be in Mexico City, in that huge arena, fighting in the UFC. What was that like, just to step into the octagon like that? | ||
| I woke out crying that day. | ||
| I was crying in the walkout. | ||
| I was, as a fan, as all I did to be there, I was like, I'm not gonna contend it. | ||
| I'm not gonna, like, not cry so people don't see me. | ||
| I was full on crying walking to the cage. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Because I was fighting. | ||
| You remember that thing with my daughter for the surgery? | ||
| Yes, yes. | ||
| And then, you know, young Annick boys comes in the side on the big screen, fighting for his daughter's smile. | ||
| And I was like, this fucking asshole right now. | ||
| And I started crying. | ||
| I was like, fuck, I want to make this happen. | ||
| Because that was all... | ||
| Back then, I was making 8 and 8. Good luck finding 80 grand to pay that surgery. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So it was just a lot in my shoulders. | ||
| And I told myself, I will never want to be the guy that my daughter is 18 years old and ask me, why you never did it for me? | ||
| So I was like, doing that alone was bigger than being in the UFC. I was like, I cannot have fun yet by achieving my dream of being here. | ||
| I need to get that done first. | ||
| And that was my first big thing I ever did in my life. | ||
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Wow. | |
| That was a big thing, too. | ||
| That was a huge event. | ||
| That event in the UFC in Mexico City, that was wild. | ||
| It was huge. | ||
| The ground was shaking when I was walking out to the cage. | ||
| It was packed, and that was the very first fight of the night. | ||
| There was no one soul that can get in there. | ||
| Oh, no, it was oversold. | ||
| Yeah, it was packed. | ||
| That ring is nice, too. | ||
| That's a great arena, yeah. | ||
| It's pretty nice. | ||
| It's hard to fight in Mexico City, too. | ||
| The altitude is, what is that, 7,000 feet? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I think it's right around there. | ||
| That and Quito, but that helped me fight in Ecuador in the capital. | ||
| It's just as high. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And Albuquerque's high, too, right? | ||
| Albuquerque, it's a little lower, but it's high. | ||
| 5,000-something? | ||
| I think I got more red blood tests than the usual human being. | ||
| They told me that when I was a kid. | ||
| Really? | ||
| They make me blood tests because I was sick. | ||
| And the doctor freaked out and told my mom, hey, something about cancer. | ||
| I was like, what the fuck? | ||
| I freaked out. | ||
| And then when the results came out, I was like, okay, it's all normal. | ||
| He used to have double the red blood tests of a normal human. | ||
| Really? | ||
| So does that translate into extra endurance? | ||
| I would guess so. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| Where does it all go? | ||
| Hey, that's a doctor talking to my mom when I was a kid. | ||
| And I will never forget that. | ||
| Have you had a blood test recently to check to see if that's still the same? | ||
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No. | |
| No, you should do that. | ||
| Find out if the doctor's an idiot. | ||
| Most likely it was. | ||
| But I really remember because I got scared, he told my mom something's wrong with his blood. | ||
| And I was like, oh my god. | ||
| Motherfucker, what's wrong with my blood? | ||
| Oh no. | ||
| I was freaking out because my mom took me They found some weed on my backpack, and they was like, make him a test. | ||
| And then, just from finding weed to, hey, something's wrong with his blood, I was like, wait, wait a minute. | ||
| Like, weed's giving you cancer? | ||
| They don't, you know. | ||
| Right, no one knows. | ||
| Ecuadorian doctors. | ||
| Yeah, right, yeah. | ||
| That was probably a bet. | ||
| Yeah, Jesus Christ. | ||
| It was, yeah. | ||
| But growing up, that's when my mom told me, like, oh, you got more red balls. | ||
| So when you first started training at Jackson's, what was that experience like? | ||
| Like, how much growing did you have to know? | ||
| How much did you have to abandon of, like, the way you fought before? | ||
| I was a white belt. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Rolling with black belts. | ||
| I was lost. | ||
| The first day of... | ||
| That trip to Jackson was my first ever aspiring, like real aspiring, like with a real fighter in front of me. | ||
| A real professional. | ||
| I was getting dropped left and right. | ||
| Really? | ||
| I was getting kicked on my leg and flying. | ||
| I was getting punched in the stomach and crawling to the ground. | ||
| I was like... | ||
| My friends would text me, like, hey, how's... | ||
| Are you having fun? | ||
| This fucking cowboy is there. | ||
| I was like, forget about cowboy, dude. | ||
| I'm getting my ass kicked by fucking a guy that has zero amateur fights. | ||
| I was getting tapped. | ||
| I was getting takedown. | ||
| I was getting fucking murdered in the stand. | ||
| I wasn't... | ||
| I don't win a round, like, in the first... | ||
| 10 weeks. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| It was awful. | ||
| 10 weeks of just getting your ass kicked. | ||
| Ass kicked in every single practice. | ||
| Even three story. | ||
| Mike Bali, he was a striking coach there. | ||
| He pulled me aside one class and he's like, he gave me this fucking dumb story. | ||
| When I was a kid, my dream was to be a baseball player, blah, blah, blah. | ||
| And one day the coach told me I should find something else because it wasn't good enough and I decided to go to fighting instead of do baseball because I was so bad there. | ||
| So we recommend you to find something else. | ||
| Oh shit! | ||
| I look at him in the eye, dead cold. | ||
| And I say, fuck you. | ||
| And I walk away. | ||
| Whoa. | ||
| But the only thing that I prize myself is, like, I was getting my ass kicked. | ||
| Everywhere. | ||
| Everywhere. | ||
| In every single class. | ||
| Jiu-jitsu class, tap like a fucking clapper. | ||
| Striking class, getting my ass kicked. | ||
| Wrestling class, good luck. | ||
| I was blind everywhere. | ||
| But I never stopped coming to class. | ||
| On time... | ||
| I'm ready to go. | ||
| That never changed. | ||
| Every morning, every Tuesday morning, cold mornings of sparring. | ||
| 9.30, I was there, warming up, ready to go. | ||
| Get my ass kicked, go to the room, cry sometimes because I was realizing I suck at this. | ||
| But keep coming. | ||
| Keep coming. | ||
| Keep coming. | ||
| So two and a half months in, you started to see a change? | ||
| A little bit. | ||
| A little bit. | ||
| At least I get familiar with the guys that shoot and I shoot in a spar. | ||
| I was like, you come here. | ||
| You're not that good. | ||
| I can run from you. | ||
| But I trained with these guys for a month, and they might want to start to the Ultimate Fighter. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| So the other guys that were there, like Jair, other Mexicans, they had there like a year already. | ||
| I was new there. | ||
| I was new mid. | ||
| I was there. | ||
| I didn't have time to get better. | ||
| You don't get better in a couple months. | ||
| No. | ||
| Not in MMA. You have to focus about everything. | ||
| Not when you're getting your ass kicked, too. | ||
| I was getting my ass kicked. | ||
| It's hard to get better when you're getting fucked up. | ||
| People don't realize that. | ||
| One thing that Eddie Bravo told me early on, he's like, train with blue belts. | ||
| He goes, because you can tap them all the time, then you get all these reps in. | ||
| He goes, if you train with black belts, you're just defending and you're getting tapped a lot. | ||
| The Mendez bros told me that. | ||
| I trained with them full-time in Cali. | ||
| They told you that too? | ||
| The same exact words. | ||
| I came early for this podcast. | ||
| I came on Friday to train with Danaher. | ||
| Same exact thing. | ||
| So it's like, right there you got the three top three in the world. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And if they tell you that, it must be for a reason. | ||
| Yeah, there's a reason. | ||
| It's about reps. | ||
| And it's also like you see that with young fighters. | ||
| You know, if you fight, that's the reason why boxing has a very smart strategy. | ||
| They match you up carefully until they get you prepared for a world-class opponent and then eventually for a title fight. | ||
| The thing about the UFC is they'll throw guys to the wolves very early on, especially if you're willing. | ||
| Because there's no belt system and there's no boxing system. | ||
| Well, it's also because there's a bunch of different promoters in boxing. | ||
| And the whole key to make the most money is get your fighter undefeated when he gets to the title shot. | ||
| In the UFC, it's like, they get to make the call. | ||
| And if they call you up and they say, Hey, Marlon, we have a fight and it's for, you know, it's a championship level fighter and you have four days notice. | ||
| And can you make weight? | ||
| You're like... | ||
| What the fuck? | ||
| And maybe we're drinking, and maybe, you know, it happens all the time. | ||
| All the time. | ||
| All the time. | ||
| Nate Diaz was drinking what they call him for Conor. | ||
| Yeah, they was drinking tequila in Mexico, eating tacos. | ||
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I know. | |
| Yeah, and then he goes, okay, and 11 days later, he's strangling Conor McGregor. | ||
| I know it's just tacos, vegan tacos. | ||
| Yeah, nah, he doesn't eat vegan. | ||
| They keep saying that? | ||
| That's not true. | ||
| I mean, he eats eggs and fish, and I mean, I don't know if he's still eating fish, but he certainly was at one point in time. | ||
| You know, but the vegans love to claim him. | ||
| It's hilarious. | ||
| They love to find the one person, because it's nonsense. | ||
| They always try to find this one person who's, like, elite on a vegan diet. | ||
| Like, look at Nate Diaz, look at his done, look at his done. | ||
| I remember that, and I asked him personally, I was like, I was like, yeah, I eat a lot of vegetables, but I eat a lot of things. | ||
| I eat meat every day. | ||
| Do you? | ||
| Oh, full-on ribeyes left and right. | ||
| Is that most of your diet? | ||
| Like, out of camp? | ||
| Like, out of camp, I can eat whatever I want because I keep in the same amount of diet. | ||
| I don't eat no sugar. | ||
| I rarely do a cheat meal, but I eat meat every day. | ||
| I do vegetable juices. | ||
| Avocados, like a lot of fats, a lot of protein, and some veggie juices. | ||
| Do you have a nutritionist? | ||
| Perfecting athletes. | ||
| We've been together for like 11 fights, so they know me. | ||
| They know I'm not fucking around. | ||
| They know I'm in Texas, and in the last four days, I've been eating meat, eggs, veggie juices, couple of smoothies. | ||
| Always healthy. | ||
| There's no point to go the other way. | ||
| Right, no point. | ||
| It's just mouth pleasure. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| The moment you swallow it, you're fucked. | ||
| Yeah, it feels good when it's in your mouth. | ||
| Just spit it out. | ||
| Diego Sanchez used to do that. | ||
| He used to eat meat. | ||
| I mean, he had this idea that meat was bad for you, but he used to chew the meat and then spit it out. | ||
| Diego Sanchez. | ||
| He's so crazy. | ||
| I do at least two revives a day. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| But I eat a bunch of avocados, a bunch of fruit, a bunch of veggie juices, and then when I get a call to fight... | ||
| I'm not overweight. | ||
| I'm basically in shape. | ||
| I just add a bunch of veggies because my meals go smaller and smaller and smaller towards the end of camp. | ||
| What is your weight walking around normally? | ||
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Like 54, 53. Okay, so you're cutting somewhere in the neighborhood of 20 pounds? | |
| Yeah. | ||
| And what do you weigh like the week of the fight? | ||
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Like 45, 48. Okay, so 10 pounds. | |
| I got 10 to 11 pounds on Thursday night. | ||
| I'm like, wait, it's not easy. | ||
| I fucking deplete my body. | ||
| It's awful. | ||
| The first couple pounds, I'm so mad when I start. | ||
| Because I start like, even if I set my mind this time, I want to be happy. | ||
| Fuck this shit, weight cards for pussies, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. | ||
| But then the 45ers are like three times my size. | ||
| I think there should be no weight cutting. | ||
| No weight cutting. | ||
| I really do. | ||
| I really do. | ||
| If you call me right now, hey, you're fighting, give me any name. | ||
| This guy waits between 155 and 160. Sign the contract. | ||
| Well, it's just, I think the UFC needs two things to happen. | ||
| They need more weight classes and they need to stop cutting weight. | ||
| Those two things need to happen. | ||
| If they had a weight class every 10 pounds, a person could adjust their diet, adjust their body fat, adjust the amount of cardio they do, and naturally bring their body to a healthy weight and know what weight class you fit in. | ||
| When I'm cutting weight and I get to 140, I'm kind of strong. | ||
| After that, I'm fucked. | ||
| But I know any other bantam is doing the same, so it's like nobody's doing... | ||
| I think I keep one of the better diet outside, but if you see regular fighters outside camp, they're eating cookies and fucking Coca-Cola. | ||
| They're not eating well, most of them. | ||
| The ones I know, they're eating shit. | ||
| I won't name them. | ||
| It's just the whole thing is crazy because it doesn't make any sense. | ||
| It's the worst thing you could ever do 24 hours before you have a fight. | ||
| The worst thing you could ever do is completely deplete yourself. | ||
| You might as well get drunk. | ||
| I mean, it's just as bad for you. | ||
| You took all the water from your brain. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Then you get punched in the beer. | ||
| You're gone. | ||
| And you can't even use an IV. You can not. | ||
| You have to replenish everything by drinking the fluids. | ||
| Anyway, most of my... | ||
| Even when IV was legal, I really use them. | ||
| Because I drink the first three, four hours. | ||
| Like, perfecting athletes told me, like, for each hour... | ||
| 500 milligram, you will fully absorb it. | ||
| Because if you go crazy and you drink half a gallon, you're fucked. | ||
| You just pee it out. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You gotta make sure you absorb it. | ||
| And I'm not a doctor. | ||
| They have to drink it slowly. | ||
| They are. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But when you make weight, you're desperate. | ||
| You're craving for... | ||
| You will drink your own pee by then. | ||
| So, like, they told me, like, I bring one of the ladies with me on weighing day. | ||
| I don't bring my coaches. | ||
| And they say, stop. | ||
| They put a timer, okay? | ||
| How you feeling good? | ||
| Drink again. | ||
| They bring me some eggs, some fruit. | ||
| But then when I see around, the fighters are just eating Pringles or salt dishes. | ||
| I'm like, it just drives me crazy. | ||
| I'm like, what are you fucking doing? | ||
| And when you weigh in, how many hours after you weigh in do you start to feel good again? | ||
| Like, three hours later, my eyes are not soaked anymore. | ||
| My face looks normal again. | ||
| But I drink. | ||
| I drink for two hours, just liquid. | ||
| I do between watermelon juice, vegetable juices, orange juice, grape juice, and then water. | ||
| I don't stop drinking water until I leave to the arena. | ||
| Do you put anything in the water? | ||
| Do you have electrolytes? | ||
| We call it the natural Gatorade. | ||
| We put honey, salt, and lime in a full gallon, and that's how I rehydrate. | ||
| I don't use no powders, no bullshit. | ||
| But I eat this way the whole year. | ||
| If I do my 13-mile run, that's what I'm drinking when I'm done. | ||
| So your body's accustomed to it. | ||
| I am accustomed to it. | ||
| What drives me also crazy is when a fighter cut 10-20 pounds, then the first meal is a fucking pizza or a cheeseburger. | ||
| I'm like, holy shit. | ||
| I love to fight those guys because you attack the stomach, it's over. | ||
| If I'm not eating that out of camp, what makes you think that's a way to recover? | ||
| Right. | ||
| I'm eating a full ribeye, lamb chops, like all the fats I can, eggs, fruit, and I feel great. | ||
| And when you wake up fight day, you feel 100%? | ||
| Do you feel 80%? | ||
| No, not 100%. | ||
| I think it's hard to feel 100% after 24 hours in recovery. | ||
| That's so crazy. | ||
| It's just like you mentally, you tell yourself like, hey, I'm ready to die. | ||
| Like, Do you think it's possible to change MMA? I mean, what is 1FC doing? | ||
| Because 1FC has no weight cuts, right? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I was talking a little bit with Gary Tonnen about it, and they are still fucking around with weight cuts. | ||
| How are they doing that? | ||
| He explained me in a way that they test you two times, and then you have to, like... | ||
| It's almost like you drink a lot of water before you cut a little bit. | ||
| It's tricky. | ||
| They take a little bit away, but people... | ||
| Men will always find a way to be bigger and cheat a little bit. | ||
| Recording is cheating to me. | ||
| Yeah, I think it's sanctioned cheating. | ||
| It's like if I weight 155 in my daily basis, I fight anybody that natural weight between 150 and 160. Easy, because when I'm sparring, I'm sparring guys that weight 170 natural, but I'm healthy too. | ||
| I'm on my natural weight. | ||
| That's fine. | ||
| So 10 pound gap is not an issue. | ||
| When you're healthy? | ||
| When you're healthy. | ||
| What do you think, what percentage do you deplete yourself? | ||
| Like when you show up on fight day, you're definitely depleted because of the weight cut, but what percentage? | ||
| Do you think you deplete yourself by 10% more? | ||
| I think I walk to the cage feeling between 85% and 90% on 100%. | ||
| But it's also my lifestyle. | ||
| There's no drinking. | ||
| There's no fucking around. | ||
| I go to bed before 10. The scientist that you have here a while ago, the scientist doctor, not close on. | ||
| Leave your phone an hour before bed. | ||
| Don't have a full stomach. | ||
| Put socks on. | ||
| Be most likely... | ||
| Yeah, that's Matthew Walker, that episode. | ||
| Shout out to that guy. | ||
| He's a motherfucker. | ||
| That was a big episode. | ||
| He changed my life. | ||
| He changed a lot of people's lives. | ||
| A lot of people recognize the importance of sleep from that. | ||
| I don't have a TV on my room since. | ||
| And that's like three years ago. | ||
| There's only TV in the living room. | ||
| The AC. I like to sleep cold, which is to say that. | ||
| And then I don't really need to take a day off because of that. | ||
| Because you're not overtrained. | ||
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Right. | |
| If you go to sleep on bed and you don't have nightlife and you're not fucking around, you can train hard every day. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| There's days that you pull a little down, then you pull back up. | ||
| But if you go to bed on time and you have a clean lifestyle, you pretty much... | ||
| I have a good longevity. | ||
| Well, you know, that's when the Donahar people, they all train every day. | ||
| I train there Friday, Saturday, Sunday, Monday. | ||
| Yeah, 365 days a year. | ||
| He told me no days off. | ||
| He goes, I go, Christmas? | ||
| No, no days off. | ||
| I go, what about when you're tired? | ||
| Train light. | ||
| I do that. | ||
| I train on Christmas Day, New Year's Eve. | ||
| I don't really... | ||
| I'm a holiday person. | ||
| That's what my wife hates about me. | ||
| I'm like... | ||
| She's like, Christmas is coming. | ||
| I'm like, good lord. | ||
| I'm the fucking Grinch in that way. | ||
| But training-wise... | ||
| Every day. | ||
| Because there's always something you can do. | ||
| Or your arm hurts? | ||
| Do squats. | ||
| Your leg hurts? | ||
| Punch. | ||
| You can always do something. | ||
| And that's what Kobe Bryant always says. | ||
| By the time you and your opponent are about to compete, I have five years ahead. | ||
| Because he's waking up earlier and having more time. | ||
| And I do that. | ||
| Sometimes I wake up four in the morning and go for my run. | ||
| Then I just have to work on a skill. | ||
| My cardio is done. | ||
| But how many people is going to bed on time? | ||
| That's also the biggest one. | ||
| Now, when you are in camp or just in general, what do you do for recovery? | ||
| Are you getting regular massages? | ||
| Yeah, I definitely do the massages. | ||
| I go to the PT. If something hurts, wave shocks or stims. | ||
| I do a lot of hyperbaric chamber for the head. | ||
| A lot. | ||
| How often do you do that? | ||
| Weekly. | ||
| Weekly. | ||
| How many times? | ||
| Once a week. | ||
| Once a week? | ||
| For how long? | ||
| For like 90 minutes. | ||
| And how many atmospheres? | ||
| Two? | ||
| Say that again? | ||
| Atmospheres. | ||
| Like, you know, like, they can get it up to, like, the one that I go to get you to 2.2 if you need it. | ||
| I do it at two atmospheres. | ||
| It's, like, it's important, like, how many, um, how... | ||
| Like, they have home units that are not that strong. | ||
| Yeah, the one that I go is the metal ones, the huge ones. | ||
| Yeah, those are the ones you want. | ||
| I say 90 minutes and that thing. | ||
| I don't know what they do, how they control it. | ||
| I just get myself in there. | ||
| Yeah, I do 90 minutes as well. | ||
| They have some that only do, like, one and a half atmospheres. | ||
| The idea is, like, here's the amount of oxygen in a normal atmosphere, and they jack it up to two to double the amount of oxygen in an atmosphere, and it's pressurized inside of there. | ||
| And I think the idea... | ||
| Yeah, like being underwater with scuba tanks. | ||
| You know what's interesting? | ||
| This lady, who's my doctor, told me that one of the people that she used to do this with, they used to do scuba. | ||
| They were scuba divers, and these guys would get drunk, and then to recover from being drunk, they would go scuba diving. | ||
| And I go, why? | ||
| She goes, because you're down there breathing basically pure oxygen, and you're deep below the water, and it's so much oxygen. | ||
| It's like getting into your cells, and it helps you. | ||
| I never talk to the guys. | ||
| I talk to them, but the phase one, phase two, it's just the huge metal ones. | ||
| I know for a fact it's a good one. | ||
| I do it once a week. | ||
| Once a week for 90 minutes. | ||
| And then I do massages, ice bath, guarantee. | ||
| I have a sauna at home that I torture myself every day. | ||
| Yeah, sauna's big. | ||
| It's game changer. | ||
| If you're going to spend your money spending right, sauna is key. | ||
| It's key. | ||
| And there's so many athletes that don't use a sauna. | ||
| I'm like, my God, you're crazy. | ||
| Like, Dan Gable said that he learned that from the Europeans, that the Eastern Europeans were all using sauna in training. | ||
| And he was like, it's like, why are we not using this in America? | ||
| This is kind of crazy. | ||
| It improves your endurance. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| I don't do it when I lift weight. | ||
| I do it after I do cardio, so I keep my heart rate high. | ||
| Rhonda Patrick went over that. | ||
| And I was like, oh, lady, thanks for the advice. | ||
| She keeps the heart rate going. | ||
| And it's hard to do. | ||
| When you go in there, I like to drink a lot of water before I do it. | ||
| So I'll do my cardio. | ||
| I really love to do it on days I do rounds in the bag. | ||
| Basically, when I run it, do it. | ||
| Yeah, and then get in there, and you don't want to fucking be in there, man. | ||
| You're like, oh, Jesus, because your heart's already trying to recover, and then you're at 185 degrees. | ||
| I love it. | ||
| I do it every day. | ||
| It really does maintain your heart rate, and I've found that it makes my cardio much better. | ||
| And also, if I take time off a cardio, if I hurt something, and then I have to take a couple weeks off, I don't lose much. | ||
| No, because you're in the sauna all the time. | ||
| Because you're in the sauna all the time. | ||
| Me, I get in that thing almost every day. | ||
| When she speaks about it, in the days you do physical strength, don't do it. | ||
| That's the only thing I change in my daily stuff because I was like, might as well, she knows more than me. | ||
| I've been doing it. | ||
| I love it out. | ||
| In Texas, it gets kind of cold at night in the wintertime here, so it's like 40 degrees at night. | ||
| So what I like to do is I get in there at nighttime, and I get in there outside. | ||
| I got a barrel saw that I put outside. | ||
| It's 185 degrees. | ||
| I get to 25 minutes, and I just look at my watch. | ||
| I'm like, Jesus Christ, why is it 25 minutes? | ||
| And I hit that 25 minutes, and then I just lay out in the grass. | ||
| Cool grass, stare at the stars. | ||
| I do that because mine's right in the patio. | ||
| I feel so good too. | ||
| It makes me feel better and it makes me think. | ||
| I think about life. | ||
| Because the toxins that stop you from feeling good, you just let it go. | ||
| Yeah, but I always have to make sure that I'm not lying down at dog shit. | ||
| That's important. | ||
| I gotta look down at the grass, scan with my phone, scan for dog shit. | ||
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My dog will leave some presents for me. | |
| Then you'll fucking ruin your night. | ||
| Yeah, but it feels so good to lie in that grass and stare up at that sky and just like... | ||
| That's one thing I do enjoy, just watching the sky. | ||
| The stars are something, they have something about it. | ||
| It's humbling. | ||
| It is. | ||
| Show you how small you are. | ||
| Yeah, well that's also, you live in Costa Mesa, right? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| You get to see the ocean. | ||
| The ocean's humbling too. | ||
| I surf every day. | ||
| Do you really? | ||
| Oh yeah. | ||
| Did you surf in Ecuador? | ||
| Yeah, I grew up surfing. | ||
| Oh, no kidding. | ||
| I went to Waco last week. | ||
| Oh, you did that surf thing? | ||
| Oh, no shit. | ||
| With the Ruka crew, it was so fucking rad. | ||
| Well, I heard that's the best way to learn, because you guaranteed waves. | ||
| Guaranteed waves, and the ocean is tricky. | ||
| I've been surfing for years, and sometimes when I surf with pros, I can tell they move to the right, they move to the left, and they find a wave. | ||
| I'm still kind of lost in that way. | ||
| It's almost like they know where to paddle. | ||
| I'm like, motherfuckers. | ||
| Because I only serve with kids that they compete or I get to serve with Kelly once and I'm like, holy shit. | ||
| Shane Dorian's here tomorrow. | ||
| He's here tomorrow? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| That's a bad motherfucker. | ||
| He's a bad motherfucker. | ||
| I grabbed... | ||
| When I was a kid, I used to tell myself, you will never get to know Kelly Slater. | ||
| I can introduce you to him right now. | ||
| He's here. | ||
| He's here? | ||
| Yeah, he's in town. | ||
| I met him when I went to Kelly's pool. | ||
| Oh, did you really? | ||
| I went and... | ||
| First thing I said, bro, I'm a fan of yours. | ||
| You know who I am. | ||
| I fucking love you. | ||
| Like, when I was a kid, those guys were my heroes. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, and now you get to, you know... | ||
| get to talk to Kelly or hang out with him or asking questions about competitions or shit like that i'm like it's just mind-blowing it's like it's humbling in a way like you get to a point that your heroes you're you're able to talk to them yeah you're friends it feels unreal sometimes oh my god man i have a problem with that i hear it all the time when you say it and then it's in the back of my head when i get to meet somebody like that i'm like Man, | ||
| when I met Willie D from the Ghetto Boys, and I met him in Houston when I did a show down there. | ||
| Am I playing tricks on me? | ||
| Yeah, and I'm hanging out with him. | ||
| I was trying to explain it to him. | ||
| I'm like, man, when I was a kid and I was delivering newspapers, I would listen to the Ghetto Boys. | ||
| I don't remember if it was a cassette or a CD. I don't remember. | ||
| But I'd listen to you guys over and over and over again. | ||
| And now you're right here. | ||
| In front of me. | ||
| It was weird, man. | ||
| I've met a lot of famous people, but he was one of the weirder ones because I just listened to that thing so often, so many times. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| When I was surfing with Kelly, I was like, holy shit. | ||
| It's Kelly Slater. | ||
| He invited me to his pool and I'm surfing with him. | ||
| I was like, I'm fucking alive or I'm just high at home. | ||
| It's still for me, man. | ||
| I had Snoop here on the podcast recently. | ||
| That one was fucked too because I was way too high. | ||
| I was way too high and I was tripping out that it was Snoop Dogg. | ||
| That's the reason. | ||
| This is my first one. | ||
| I didn't bro the weed because I'm going to talk to Joe. | ||
| I want to be sober the first time. | ||
| Second time, I'm going to be high. | ||
| Okay, we'll do a second time. | ||
| We'll get blasted together. | ||
| I was thinking to myself, I'm like, what about if you just get too high and you fucking blew it? | ||
| Just go sober and don't talk shit. | ||
| Because when I'm high... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I just talk. | ||
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I know. | |
| I'm talking now. | ||
| I'm the same person. | ||
| I'm pretty easygoing, but still, you don't want to fuck that. | ||
| Sometimes great things come out of your head when you're high, though. | ||
| And then sometimes you just go off the rails. | ||
| You just never know. | ||
| It's more the good ones. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I learned that with mushrooms. | ||
| When you eat them, and you eat a little more than you should, then your mind is just going. | ||
| Well, when you eat a little more than you should, you should be alone. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You should just be alone and relax and think. | ||
| I do that when I'm at a friend's house and I know there's nobody there. | ||
| When my kids are around, I just microdose. | ||
| Yeah, microdosing is good. | ||
| Microdosing, I think, is the future. | ||
| I think a lot of people are going to microdose because it doesn't make your... | ||
| It doesn't affect your cognitive ability in terms of, like, affect your judgment or affect the way you talk and the way you behave, but it elevates you. | ||
| It's like this gentle elevation a microdose does. | ||
| And I think... | ||
| Are you aware of Terence McKenna? | ||
| Do you know who Terence McKenna is? | ||
| Yeah, the fighter, yeah. | ||
| No, no, no, no, that's Terence McKinney. | ||
| Oh, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Yeah, McKinley? | ||
| McKinney? | ||
| Oh, the mushroom guy. | ||
| Yeah, the mushroom guy. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Terence McKenna is the guy who has this theory called the stoned ape theory, and his brother Dennis is still alive. | ||
| His brother Dennis is brilliant. | ||
| And his brother Dennis is a legitimate scientist, and he explained it on the podcast, why it makes sense. | ||
| And the theory is there's a real mystery in the development of the human species. | ||
| And the mystery is the doubling of the brain over a period of two million years. | ||
| And it's unprecedented in the fossil record. | ||
| They've looked at all these different animals and how things changed and evolved, and a lot of things are wild. | ||
| But to see a brain double in size over a relatively small period of time in terms of the fossil record, two million years is not that much time. | ||
| For something to change so radically. | ||
| And there's all these theories of why the human brain doubled. | ||
| Some people think it was hunting. | ||
| It was maybe the throwing arm, learning how to throw things, and then developing projectiles and weapons. | ||
| Some people think that it was eating meat and learning how to cook it, and that learning how to cook it made the nutrients more bioavailable, and it made people ingest more protein. | ||
| Then there's this possibility of eating. | ||
| There's also weird theories, and they don't all hold up. | ||
| You know, they're all theories, but the big one is mushrooms. | ||
| And it's a real controversial one because first of all, mushrooms is a silly subject to a lot of academics. | ||
| When they start thinking about the possibility of a brain doubling in size because of what they think of as a party drug, the problem is a lot of these guys have never really truly experienced a breakthrough mushroom experience. | ||
| And if you have... | ||
| It's the best thing you can do. | ||
| Well, if you have, you start going, okay, what is this? | ||
| And what is happening? | ||
| And maybe this is how human beings develop. | ||
| Because what McKenna said is that the period that the human brain doubled, and I'm sorry if I'm butchering this, Dennis. | ||
| The period that the human brain doubled coincides with the period that the rainforest receded into grasslands. | ||
| So as the climate changed, because we talk about climate change today, but climate has changed throughout history too. | ||
| The climate change today, the man-made climate change is a concern, but what I'm saying is that Throughout the history of the Earth, there's been radical shifts in the climate, and they've resulted in all these changes, like the Sahara Desert used to be this great, vast grasslands in green, filled with trees and shit. | ||
| Well, at one point in time, the rainforests receded into grasslands. | ||
| And the human beings had to come down from the tree and they weren't human at the time. | ||
| They were, you know, Australopithecus and all these other different pre-humans. | ||
| And they came down from the trees and they started experimenting with new food sources. | ||
| And one of the things that they believe happened is they see monkeys in the wild. | ||
| They will flip over cow patties and they'll eat bugs and worms and different things that are growing underneath this cow shit. | ||
| But on those cow patties is also where mushrooms grow. | ||
| And they think that they started experimenting with these mushrooms. | ||
| And the way they describe it is, mushrooms in low doses, like you just eat a couple, increases visual acuity. | ||
| So it would make you a better hunter, because it makes you see things better. | ||
| It makes you... | ||
| Like, there was a famous... | ||
| I'm trying to remember his name. | ||
| It's kind of like the blur. | ||
| When you touch the camera and it's perfect vision, it's almost that. | ||
| That's what I feel when I take it. | ||
| The blurriness, the fogginess, it goes away. | ||
| It cleans up. | ||
| There's a study that these guys did. | ||
| I forget which scientist it was. | ||
| They did a study on edge detection. | ||
| So what they did was they had lines, like parallel lines, and then they moved one slightly. | ||
| And the people that were on mushrooms could tell before the people that were straight when the edge detected consistently. | ||
| And so mushrooms increased visual acuity. | ||
| They also make you horny, so they made one more likely to breed, and they also enhance creativity. | ||
| So they made them better at problem solving, and they probably made them better at solving the complex problems of developing tools and weapons. | ||
| And language. | ||
| Mushrooms enhance the ability to connect sounds to ideas and to express those things. | ||
| So the idea is that these pre-humans ate these mushrooms over a period of two million years and their fucking brains grew. | ||
| That makes sense to me. | ||
| It does make sense. | ||
| Everything you say makes sense because when I started taking them, I take younger, like for fun, and I've been taking for the last two years micro doses and sometimes I eat a little more when I'm alone. | ||
| And your brain Show things like All the pathways that You know By stress or You know Bad food or Punches or whatever You get like The blood don't flow The microdome Make that go Yeah And then when you take a little bit And you feel like Kind of high It's when it's actually working In your brain But it's also caught with what you say, it's a party drug for ignorant people. | ||
| Well, it's fun. | ||
| I mean, I think people, they take it because it's fun. | ||
| And it's not bad to have fun. | ||
| You know, and mushrooms, even though you're taking it to have fun, sometimes people have, they learn things from those experiences. | ||
| But I think if you want to be using them correctly, you should use them with reverence. | ||
| You should think, you know, when you're microdosing, that's one thing. | ||
| You're taking them, it's enhancing your day. | ||
| But if you're going to sit down and really have a trip... | ||
| I think you should do it in a way... | ||
| To set an intention. | ||
| Yeah, you set an intention and you do it in a way where you give some respect to what you're about to experience. | ||
| Because what you're about to experience is wholly alien. | ||
| Yeah, you go far. | ||
| Alien to this world. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Alien. | ||
| I know what he's saying. | ||
| When you see like the walls close in and change patterns and things flow through and you start to experience entities staring at you from other dimensions. | ||
| You get answers and you also have questions when you do that. | ||
| And you start seeing like the apocalyptic doom of the earth and Wild shit. | ||
| Yeah, but you have to set an intention. | ||
| If you use it for fun, then you don't learn from it. | ||
| But I smoked DMT not a while ago, and I set an intention, and I was up there. | ||
| What was your intention? | ||
| I literally, before I smoked it, I was like, okay, I want to be present. | ||
| I don't want to be focused too much on the outside. | ||
| Because, you know, when you get a certain point in a fighting career, it's not just fighting. | ||
| There's a lot that comes with it. | ||
| And you got to know how to handle it. | ||
| And I was just thinking to myself, I want to be better at this. | ||
| I want to focus on who I am, not in the outside. | ||
| I want to be, of course, a better fighter, a better husband, blah, blah, blah. | ||
| And then I was like, I just want to be better overall. | ||
| I want to be chill. | ||
| I want to be happy as I am. | ||
| And I just take a rip. | ||
| And my grandfather that passed away not a while ago was throwing stars at me. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| He was grabbing the stars and just throwing it at my face. | ||
| And I was just dodging them, dodging them. | ||
| And then my friends, we did it at my friend's warehouse. | ||
| So there's nobody there. | ||
| It's like doing it right here. | ||
| Nobody will come. | ||
| It was all dark. | ||
| And they have a bunch of wild paintings around. | ||
| This guy is, like, he's who provides me my mushrooms, who provide my wheat sometimes, CBD, everything. | ||
| So this guy is in that world. | ||
| So all the paints, all the, like, the kind of, like, tie-dice paints, and you know when they're, like, mixing up, like, the trippy pictures? | ||
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| When I was going in the elevator, I was going, like, on circles up, like a rocket, and all these fucking colors. | ||
| Like, colors I never saw in my life. | ||
| It was just like... | ||
| And then when I get to the room, they call it the room, right? | ||
| When you get up there? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It was like looking at this roof, like stars, all black, and just little dots. | ||
| And then I didn't see my grandfather's face, but it's almost like, okay, you there. | ||
| And he was laughing and throwing stars at me, just laughing. | ||
| And they told me, before I came back, I was laughing like a baby, like a little kid. | ||
| It was awesome. | ||
| And when I came back, he just gave me that, like... | ||
| Calmness. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| It just helps in a way. | ||
| It helps in some strange way. | ||
| It also makes regular life seem so bland. | ||
| It is. | ||
| In comparison to that world. | ||
| It calms your anxiety. | ||
| People get so trapped in little thoughts, on little daily things. | ||
| Sometimes they're having the biggest problem of their life out of nothing. | ||
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Right. | |
| Out of nothing. | ||
| Out of nothing. | ||
| People are so focused on... | ||
| What somebody says, or reading comments, or traveling. | ||
| This picture of my friend has more legs. | ||
| I'm like, no. | ||
| Yeah, that's a problem, man. | ||
| The social media problem. | ||
| It's huge. | ||
| It's so bad for your brain. | ||
| I made a decision quite a while ago to stop reading comments. | ||
| It's made a big impact on me, man. | ||
| I'm going to tell you one thing myself. | ||
| In the last few years, I don't read. | ||
| At all. | ||
| Like if my friends, like if I see a friend of mine or somebody I admire put in something, makes me happy. | ||
| But I'm not digging to see who says something bad or who says something about my skill. | ||
| It's gone. | ||
| And you know what? | ||
| You feel free. | ||
| I'm not doing it to look like somebody else. | ||
| It's just the more authentic you are, the more you are yourself, there's nothing better than that. | ||
| No, there's nothing better than that. | ||
| And when you start thinking about what other people are saying and other people are saying about you and what their opinions are, it fucks with your own perceptions because it changes how you behave and think because you're thinking about their opinions. | ||
| And sometimes their criticism is valid. | ||
| I'm not dismissing that the criticism is not valid. | ||
| But if you take in too much of that over and over again, there's too much noise. | ||
| It's not good. | ||
| Like, I know when I... And I'm sure you do too. | ||
| You're an intelligent person. | ||
| And you're also a dedicated person who is... | ||
| Hell-bent on becoming better when you're that person you're always objective and trying to or at least trying to be objective and Analyzing that's why you said like I want to be a better husband. | ||
| I want to be a better father I want to be a better fighter That should be all of our intent with it whatever you're trying to do in life You should always be trying to get better at it because as a human We're flawed and weird and messy. | ||
| That's your foundation. | ||
| Yeah, and your chemicals in your brain, they shift constantly and you're not always exactly the same person. | ||
| I'm a different person all the time. | ||
| I'm a different person if I haven't had sleep. | ||
| I'm a different person if I'm under stress. | ||
| I'm a different person if I haven't worked out. | ||
| And all those things also happen. | ||
| It's like how you handle those things is what makes you get to the finish line. | ||
| But you can't take in too much external opinions. | ||
| You can. | ||
| You have to be able to know whether you're fucking up and how to get better. | ||
| And that's exactly what separates you from the crowd. | ||
| If you know that, if you get to know yourself that much that you know what's real and what's just cloud, it will take you way longer. | ||
| And I always tell people around me, I'm like, hey, like somebody, like friends of mine or people close to me that love me, they get mad about what people say. | ||
| I'm like, hey, the moment you get mad, they're winning. | ||
| Like you're giving it the chance to make sense. | ||
| You have to live... | ||
| Your life, be happy with where you are, the way you have, and always work for more and for better, but for yourself, not for no one else. | ||
| Yeah, not for no one else. | ||
| Because that will put you aside from anything. | ||
| I have some friends that lose their fucking mind that people are talking shit about. | ||
| When somebody here say something like... | ||
| Oh, but they're saying that about me. | ||
| When I'm in the car, I'm like, yo, yo, yo, yo. | ||
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No, no, no, no. | |
| Forget about it. | ||
| And then you're basically saying that to them. | ||
| I'm like, yeah, listen to him. | ||
| Don't pay attention to that. | ||
| You can. | ||
| You can't. | ||
| You just can't. | ||
| Well, it's a new thing. | ||
| It's like normal for people. | ||
| Like you find out a friend of yours is talking shit about you. | ||
| You want to go confront him in the real world. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Like, why are you talking shit about me, man? | ||
| I thought we were friends. | ||
| Like, you want to know where you stand with this person. | ||
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Right. | |
| But for people you don't even know talking shit about you, that's normal. | ||
| That's what people do. | ||
| Man, if I was online at 15, I would be talking shit about everybody. | ||
| I would be sending everybody pictures of my dick. | ||
| If you see my Twitter when I was 15 years old, holy shit. | ||
| Everybody, everybody. | ||
| I was never a fan of soccer, ever. | ||
| And Ecuador is huge on soccer. | ||
| I would go on Twitter and say the meanest shit to soccer players. | ||
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And I was laughing. | |
| For fun. | ||
| I was smoking with my friends. | ||
| Oh shit, he got mad. | ||
| We make soccer players delete the accounts on how much shit we talk. | ||
| Fuck you, and I kill you, you're the fucking loser. | ||
| And then I'm like, now that I'm a grown-up, and I'm like, if I see her comment, I'm like, I got a thick skin. | ||
| So it's like, it don't bug me. | ||
| Nobody has it, but if you don't have it, at least be smart enough. | ||
| Don't pay attention. | ||
| Well, you have a thick skin because you've been getting in fights since you were four. | ||
| I've never been mad for a fight or for somebody else. | ||
| If we're like this close and you say something that I don't like, I'd probably punch in the face. | ||
| Has there ever been a fighter that leading up to a fight has pissed you off? | ||
| Never. | ||
| And I thought the biggest idiot out there, O'Malley, he was talking Masha. | ||
| But that's his thing though. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| You know that that's how he became famous. | ||
| His talent and all the shit-talking and the personality. | ||
| It's like Kobe. | ||
| It's just a persona. | ||
| Every time I see a fighter that is mad, I'm like, you fucking idiot. | ||
| Like, you don't even deserve to win at that point. | ||
| If you get mad before the fight, in my opinion, you don't deserve to win. | ||
| I just don't give a shit what you think, what you say. | ||
| When people ask me in interviews, how you see your next fight going? | ||
| I don't make it too hard to say, I want to fuck him up. | ||
| I want to run through him. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And then when somebody talks shit about me or say like this and that, I'm like, and they ask me, you know, how media works. | ||
| Hey, he said you're slow. | ||
| I'm like, cool. | ||
| You will see fight night. | ||
| I just don't get bugged by things. | ||
|
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Right. | |
| And when I fought him, I really believe he was trying to get under my head, like, Connor does. | ||
|
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Of course. | |
| And I was just like, good luck with that, buddy. | ||
| I'm like, you can beat me. | ||
| You can be a better fighter. | ||
| I don't know that until we compete. | ||
| We don't know that. | ||
| It's almost like... | ||
| Sometimes cocky and confidence is a fine line that you confuse. | ||
| I'm confident in my skill. | ||
| I know how hard I work. | ||
| I know I sacrifice everything I possibly can. | ||
| So I'm like, if you say I suck, cool. | ||
| If you say I'm good... | ||
| When they're too friendly or too mean, I don't accept neither one. | ||
| Because I'm like, we're in a fight, bro. | ||
| This is not like, let's bow to each other and fuck off. | ||
| It's a fucking fight. | ||
| Sometimes when I see fighters hugging each other before the fight, I'm like... | ||
| Might as well suck a Charles Dick at this point. | ||
| I'm like, we're going to have to get in a fist fight. | ||
| Did you see Jeff Neal versus Santiago? | ||
| I know, it drives me crazy. | ||
| Well, what was crazy was Safe Saud, his coach, was yelling at him between the corners. | ||
| Like, stop dapping him up. | ||
| He's not your fucking friend. | ||
| I was watching on my phone. | ||
| I think they liked each other before they fought. | ||
| They're both great guys. | ||
| It's part of the problem. | ||
| I know one personally, Santiago. | ||
| We do the broadcast in Spanish. | ||
| Great guy. | ||
| Yeah, but guess what? | ||
| Everybody's a great guy. | ||
| Even Colby on his persona. | ||
| He's a nice guy. | ||
| Colby Covington in real life is a great guy. | ||
| I talked to him in New York. | ||
| Self-spoken. | ||
| Like, Cameron says that. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Great guy. | ||
| I shake his hand. | ||
| I was like, fuck, dude. | ||
| I was like, you're very nice. | ||
| And he was laughing. | ||
| I was talking shit on that. | ||
| And he was just laughing at me. | ||
| And I was wearing pink shoes. | ||
| And he's like, oh, yeah. | ||
| Coming from the guy with pink shoes, huh? | ||
| And I was like, yeah, you're nice. | ||
| But they're just personas. | ||
| But when you are in the cage. | ||
| He developed that persona. | ||
| He was a little forced, too. | ||
| But whatever. | ||
| We all know that. | ||
| But it's like, in the fight, in the center of the cage, I want to kill you. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But I'm not out of my head. | ||
| I'm not mad. | ||
| It's just my job. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You have an objective. | ||
| I gotta provide for my kids. | ||
| And that's the way I bring the bread to my home. | ||
| So like the shake hands, I leave it for after the fight. | ||
| Not even for before. | ||
| After the fight, win, lose, or draw. | ||
| Hey, good job. | ||
| I didn't shake out Sonia Dunn's hands because I was pretty rough in that fight, so I said, fuck you. | ||
| But I think I was on my right to do that. | ||
| Which fight? | ||
| When I fought Sonia Dunn. | ||
| Why didn't you? | ||
| Oh, that was a fucking bad rap indecision. | ||
| Oh, right. | ||
| So that's when he came to check my house. | ||
| I was like, ah, fuck you. | ||
| We'll probably run it back later. | ||
| For now, you're not my friend. | ||
| But I just keep it like that. | ||
| Some people don't like it, some people like it. | ||
| That's a rough one, man. | ||
| Those bad decisions are fucking, they're criminal. | ||
| It's a real problem. | ||
| I think that's another thing the UFC should employ is more judges, you know? | ||
| Oh, the judges they have now. | ||
| Well, it's not just the judges suck. | ||
| The judges suck sometimes, like some of the judges. | ||
| Really, it's like when you go to local places. | ||
| You go to small, regional places that don't have a lot of experiences. | ||
| Sometimes, yeah. | ||
| Because I do the commentary in Spanish, and I'm like, most of the fights, I know who won the fight. | ||
| And then, when they go 30, 27, they're away, I'm like, bro. | ||
| Right, how's that happen? | ||
| I remember when you were asking the lady, you know what a triangle shock is? | ||
| And she's like, Just walk away. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I was like, they don't... | ||
| Like, for example, if somebody... | ||
| Like, how you think about this? | ||
| Let's see I take somebody down. | ||
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Right. | |
| And I just hold that person. | ||
| I'm working on holding them. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But the person on bottom is throwing every submission he can and he's eating me with elbows. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Who won the round? | ||
| The guy on the bottom. | ||
| It should be. | ||
| It should be, right? | ||
| It should be. | ||
| More damage. | ||
| Put you in more danger. | ||
| If you're just holding. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Like, if you're on top... | ||
| Khabibian people? | ||
| Right. | ||
| You're winning. | ||
| You won. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But if he's holding, I'm like, how you won the run? | ||
| Yeah, that's not enough. | ||
| But I also don't believe in stand-ups. | ||
| No. | ||
| I mean, people get mad at me, like, no, no, no, it's a sport. | ||
| I'm with you. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| If you want to get up, get up. | ||
| And then, even the fans, or boo, fuck you with the boo. | ||
| Fuck you, fuck you, go watch baseball. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| That loser that has been holed up in the cage, he don't know how to get out. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, let him lose like that. | ||
| Well, it's a part of the sport. | ||
| And I feel like if a wrestler can take you down and rub his nuts all over your face for five minutes... | ||
| Good for him. | ||
| Good for him. | ||
| That's what he's doing. | ||
| But that is also... | ||
| That rule of standing up or telling you, like, you're not doing right, is basically creating excuses for the low-level guy not able to escape. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| Well, they're trying to make it more fan-friendly, but Jesus Christ, there's not a more fan-friendly sport in the world. | ||
| Fist fighting. | ||
| Yeah, you watch a person who doesn't have to know anything about fighting. | ||
| They can watch the UFC and be like, holy shit, holy shit. | ||
| They can't believe how crazy it is. | ||
| There's people watching other sports for hours. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Oh, did you find Joey Diaz talking about? | ||
| I absolutely did not. | ||
| It's on his Instagram, Mad Flavors World? | ||
| It's on his Twitter either. | ||
|
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What? | |
| Yeah, I mean... | ||
| Was it a story or something? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I saw it. | ||
| And it's not there. | ||
| I reposted one. | ||
| I don't know if he said... | ||
| It's only like four posts up from the last two weeks. | ||
| You might have taken it down or something? | ||
| I have no idea. | ||
| Ooh, Instagram with his rules. | ||
| Oh my God, man. | ||
| Take it down? | ||
| I typed it in. | ||
| It's not popping up. | ||
| No one else reposted it. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I said once, stay hard. | ||
| And I got my thing pulled off. | ||
| Stay hard? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's David Goggins. | ||
| I know. | ||
| Stay hard got you pulled down? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I was like, what are you guys doing? | ||
| The fucking censorship is so crazy. | ||
| It's so wrong. | ||
| It's so screwy. | ||
| But then when you post a reel with a rap song and the rap song is saying... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They don't pull that out. | ||
| They don't pull that out. | ||
| But a stay hard is bad. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Every time David posts something, I just put stay hard, stay hard on everything he put. | ||
| And then they said, like, your comment might be pulled up. | ||
| I'm like, what are you talking about? | ||
| Well, that's one thing the wokesters have not done. | ||
| They have not targeted rap yet. | ||
| Yeah, right. | ||
| They leave that shit alone. | ||
| They should. | ||
| They better. | ||
| Especially old school rap, the good one. | ||
| Oh my god, like go listen to some 90s Wu-Tang Clan. | ||
| Or fucking Kool-Gee Rap. | ||
| Oh yeah! | ||
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Oh my god, that's the greatest. | |
| Kool-Gee Rap, man. | ||
| I fucking love that dude. | ||
| I know. | ||
| But Wu-Tang Clan is what I listen to on the way to the show. | ||
| Every time on the way to a show, we listen to Wu-Tang Clan. | ||
| We have like a playlist we listen to. | ||
| Protect Your Neck is always first fuck. | ||
| Yeah, man. | ||
| They're not fucking around. | ||
| Gravel Pit. | ||
| We listen to all that shit on the way to shows. | ||
| But it just gets you going. | ||
| I'm a 90s rap fan. | ||
| I love all kinds of music. | ||
| LL, Cougie, Nas. | ||
| There's something about 90s rap to me. | ||
| It's also the excitement of the era because the whole art form was only 15 years old at the time. | ||
| It was so new. | ||
| The whole art form was so new. | ||
| I remember when I was a kid, I think I was in seventh or eighth grade, and someone was playing Sugarhill Gang in the cafeteria. | ||
| And I was like, what is that? | ||
| This is crazy. | ||
| What is this? | ||
| It was a hip hop, a hibba to the hibba to the hip hop. | ||
| And I was like, this is wild. | ||
| You get in your head. | ||
| Yeah, it was a new kind of music. | ||
| And make you dance. | ||
| Yeah, but it was also a recognition, like, oh, this is a new thing that's happening. | ||
| There's a new trend. | ||
| And then I also remember I was on a fucking elliptical machine, and the first time I heard NWA, I was like, like, what? | ||
| What are they saying? | ||
| Like, you go listen to NWA. Go listen to some early NWA, and you're like, I can't believe this was legal. | ||
| Yeah, all the shit they say. | ||
| Even Fuck the Police, when they come hard on that one. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| The cops were coming to the fucking show to stop it. | ||
| Yeah, I know. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| But there was a change of... | ||
| I mean, the gangster rap was always awesome. | ||
| I'm a big Ice-T fan as well. | ||
| Like I said, I'm a giant Ghetto Boys fan. | ||
| But it was also... | ||
| There was just a change of the whole musical culture because of 90s rap. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| It changed everything, man. | ||
| Big Daddy Kane. | ||
| Oh, my God. | ||
| Big Daddy Kane was the shit. | ||
| I listen to all the school shit. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Today's stuff. | ||
|
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Kumo D. I go to work. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| Gangstar, like, the old schools are the ones to listen. | ||
| Yeah, I'm a gangstar. | ||
| I'm a giant gangstar fan. | ||
| But there's eras in time where things just changed. | ||
| I'm a big fan of 60s rock. | ||
| 1960s rock and roll. | ||
| Something happened, man. | ||
| Something happened in the 60s. | ||
| And it went deep into the 70s, but there was a change in what rock was. | ||
| And it was in the 60s. | ||
| That's what I love. | ||
| I love those eras. | ||
| I love eras of great change. | ||
| Yeah, the rock and roll back then was real. | ||
| I'm not into much rock and roll, but even if you listen to a rock and roll from that time, you're like, okay, that is rock and roll. | ||
| It was rock and roll, my God. | ||
| My God. | ||
| Listen to some 1960s Jimi Hendrix. | ||
| My God. | ||
| You saw my jacket? | ||
| Oh, what do you got on there? | ||
| That's fucking... | ||
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That's Jimi right there. | |
| Oh, that's badass. | ||
| Oh, nice. | ||
| Who did that? | ||
| Where'd you get that done? | ||
| My friend, Mark Oboe, he make all these patches and he just patched my stuff instead of one glove, one glove. | ||
| So, he's an artist from Ruka, too, and he patched my jackets and put some cool shit in there. | ||
| I gotta show you this new Hendrix piece that I got that's in the back that I got from Park City. | ||
| God, what is the artist's name? | ||
| I don't remember his name. | ||
| Is Joey talking about during his podcast? | ||
| I see him talking about the fights. | ||
| He put this out yesterday. | ||
| This part's all about gambling, though. | ||
| I don't know if he's specifically talked about it. | ||
| That fight. | ||
| Is it after the fight? | ||
| So he did like an ad and he's talking about how he gambled during the fights. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Well, he starts talking about Juliana Pena and Spanish women. | ||
| That's what I don't know. | ||
| How he doesn't say Spanish women. | ||
| There you go. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You'll probably be taking doubt. | ||
| right give me some value issue 600 if you put a hundred dollars down on juliana pena you win 600 so again my little junkie mind went into work and I'm like wait a second you spend 20 bucks on worse things There's worse things you do with 20 bucks. | ||
| You picket, gamble, whatever the fuck. | ||
| You ever been walking around and you're like, I'll get that. | ||
| It's just 13 bucks. | ||
| 13 bucks is 13 fucking bucks. | ||
| But I'm sitting there and I go, what the fuck? | ||
| What's $25 on Juliana Pena? | ||
| You know what? | ||
| And then I thought of something else. | ||
| Why don't I date Spanish women? | ||
| Because I'm scared of them. | ||
| I've always been scared of Spanish women. | ||
| Let's get this shit out in the open right now. | ||
| Always. | ||
| Since I'm a kid, my mother was Spanish, and I'm like, you know what? | ||
| Do I really want to marry that? | ||
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Not, never. | |
| No. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| I didn't listen to that before I got married to my wife. | ||
| Wish you all the best up there in heaven. | ||
| Can't wait to see you. | ||
| But you know what? | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| Love Spanish women. | ||
| Have a lot of fucking friends with a Spanish woman. | ||
| They take a bullet for you. | ||
| But if you want peace of mind, I can't date a Spanish woman. | ||
| When you're Spanish, you can't date a Spanish woman. | ||
| I leave that to the Jews and the Italians. | ||
| You guys love Spanish women? | ||
| Help yourself. | ||
| Don't come crying to me when you have an iron buried in your fucking skull. | ||
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Don't come So I'm like fucking... | |
| That was a full of special right there. | ||
| I gotta go with Juliana and Pena. | ||
| Just for the small 25. You know what I'm saying? | ||
| Joey Diaz's luck. | ||
| First minute, she gets knocked down. | ||
| I'm like, what else is new? | ||
| This is the story of my life. | ||
| I'm a bum then and I'm a bum now. | ||
| I'm watching this fight. | ||
| And all of a sudden, Juliana, she gets her in another thing again. | ||
| Then Juliana gets out with a fucking Kimora. | ||
| Then the round ends. | ||
| I'm like, what the fuck is going on? | ||
| This isn't bad. | ||
| And all of a sudden, second round, Juliana went in there and laid a fucking ass-whipping. | ||
| An ass-whipping, I gotta be honest with you, brought tears to my eyes. | ||
| I was so happy for that Venezuelan chick because that's why. | ||
| Dog, when she choked her, to myself, I go, now you know why I don't date Spanish women. | ||
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Dude! | |
| They're my friends. | ||
| I love them to death. | ||
| They're my fucking, you know, I go to war. | ||
| I'm taking three little chubby Spanish women and I'll take my chances. | ||
| Fuck you motherfuckers. | ||
| Three little Mexican tanks. | ||
| A little Cuban chick that's got big tits and a little gut. | ||
| That chick hasn't eaten in two days. | ||
| She'll take your eye out. | ||
| I'm not fucking around, so... | ||
| I was so happy for Julia. | ||
| I even put it, this fight was tremendous on Twitter. | ||
| I was fucking ecstatic. | ||
| So that's how I felt last night. | ||
| I won like, I don't know, one something, 200 bucks on a $25 fucking thing. | ||
| And guess what? | ||
| I'm going to lose it all on Sunday in football anyway. | ||
| So who gives a fuck? | ||
| Nah. | ||
| I'm going to hold on to it. | ||
| The bowl season's coming. | ||
| Joey does a lot of gambling. | ||
| I think he's got a gambling sponsor. | ||
| Is that a gambling sponsor? | ||
| Yeah, I'm pretty sure that's how he got into that, and that's why I was trying to dig through it. | ||
| I didn't know if he went, yeah. | ||
| Yeah, I used to, my partner, my friend Aubrey from Onnit, we used to, I stopped gambling on fights because I was just like, I don't think this is right. | ||
| Because I'd be calling the fights but I'd be gambling on them. | ||
| Yeah, it's kind of weird. | ||
| It's kind of weird. | ||
| But also you're free to do it too. | ||
| I think it's legal. | ||
| But I was like, it seems unethical. | ||
| So I'm not going to do it anymore. | ||
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Because you work in the GFC. Yes, because I'm calling the fight. | |
| I don't want to sound biased because I want someone to win because I got $100 on them. | ||
| I don't gamble at all. | ||
| But what Aubrey would do is he would gamble. | ||
| And so I would tell him. | ||
| Everybody tells me. | ||
| Who I pick. | ||
| And I go boom, boom, boom, boom. | ||
| Because most of my picks are right. | ||
| Most of my picks are right. | ||
| I would have lost on the Juliana Pena-Amanda Nunes fight. | ||
| In those fights? | ||
| This weekend. | ||
| That one I didn't see coming. | ||
| Those are way too one side. | ||
| What was supposed to happen? | ||
| Just run through her. | ||
| The thing is, one thing I did say leading up to the fight, as they were getting ready, I said, you have to think of all the times where someone's underestimated someone. | ||
| You can never underestimate an opponent. | ||
| You can't go into a fight not nervous. | ||
| You can't go into a fight completely sure that you're going to win when that other person is hungry and scared. | ||
| Because weird things happen when people underestimate people. | ||
| Everything happened in fighting. | ||
| Everything. | ||
| Fuck, that was nuts. | ||
| And what I saw as a fan from the outside, the first round, the first calf kick, make her fly. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But we know that part. | ||
| She's strong. | ||
| She's bigger. | ||
| We all know that part. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But then everything comes in the other side. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| If Juliana was mentally sad, you know, prepare to die. | ||
| Fuck you. | ||
| I'm going to take this from you. | ||
| The moment you take the first couple punches and the KO guy don't stop you, we saw it through the years. | ||
| Every time Conor couldn't stop somebody, what happened? | ||
| He got to stop. | ||
| Sometimes. | ||
| The second fight with Nate, he survived and wound up beating him by decision, even though he didn't stop him. | ||
| But it don't happen all the time, but it was ready for that fight. | ||
| But when you are relying on yourself, like, okay, I'm going to stop you quick. | ||
| You're thinking you're only going to KO somebody. | ||
| Good luck with that. | ||
| Well, the thing that I was watching in the first round when Juliana had the Kimura, when she was threatening with the Kimura at the end of the round, I was like, ooh, that looks serious. | ||
| And she kept doing it. | ||
| She kept going to it. | ||
| I'm like, look, as long as this fight is on the ground in that kind of situation, Juliana's very dangerous. | ||
| And if she can tire Amanda out, if there's a way to do it, that's the way to do it. | ||
| Yeah, I didn't saw that coming either. | ||
| I knew she would punch her in the face and make her slow down. | ||
| But when they were exchanging punches, you can tell how much Amanda was charging. | ||
| And when you charge, you get way more tired. | ||
| Yeah, she was swinging for the fences. | ||
| She was trying to take her out quick, and then when Juliana was still there, you could tell she was fucking tired. | ||
| For you to be a world champion in two divisions and universally recognized as the greatest woman fighter of all time, which Amanda is, it's unexcusable to be that tired in the second round. | ||
| Unexcusable. | ||
| And just standing in front of her, just swinging in front of her, no movement side to side, standing right in front of her like you're watching a regional fight. | ||
| But that's when you know how mental is the game. | ||
| You can have all the technique, all the power. | ||
| The moment you doubt yourself and you take a step backwards, you're fucked. | ||
| You're fucked. | ||
| You're fucked. | ||
| That's why I take more care of what goes through my mind than how much conditional training I can do. | ||
| Because you can take... | ||
| You can go way longer if your mind, like David Goggins was talking about it, in those moments you're about to quit and your mind is trapped in that thought that I'm going to quit. | ||
| If you tell yourself, I'm going to go through hell, I'm going to fuck you up, that thing is reversible. | ||
| But you have to want it. | ||
| You have to want it. | ||
| That's why Child Sonnen was saying something that I don't agree with. | ||
| He was basically saying, I don't really think that that was caused because of Juliana. | ||
| It was more quitting one side. | ||
| But that quitting was caused... | ||
| For the duck and the other person, too. | ||
| It was caused by Juliana. | ||
| Yeah, 100%. | ||
| Juliana made her quit. | ||
| She didn't just quit on her own. | ||
| You gotta give Juliana all the credit. | ||
| 100%. | ||
| That's why when I heard that this morning, I was like, wait a minute. | ||
| You're not saying that. | ||
| I get it. | ||
| She's the GOAT. For one loss, don't take your title away. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But that loss, take your title away, for sure. | ||
| Like, the belt, you don't take the title of the GOAT. For all the achievements you have, you KO Cyborg. | ||
| Right. | ||
| All the people you beat. | ||
| You keep that. | ||
| But she made you quit. | ||
| You don't quit on your own. | ||
| Yeah, she made her quit. | ||
| But the way she quit was crazy. | ||
| That choke wasn't on... | ||
| Choke wasn't on at all. | ||
| It was on the chin, right? | ||
| See, let's find the choke. | ||
| Find the submission. | ||
| I'll tell you one thing. | ||
| You don't need the hooks to... | ||
| Put somebody unconscious. | ||
| But you need to get under the chin. | ||
| Oh, that thing wasn't even there. | ||
| It was like this, right? | ||
| Yeah, it was nothing. | ||
| But, you know, look, you can get that fulcrum choke, like what Khabib did to Conor, if you get the forearm on the back and you crank the neck, but that requires a lot of strength. | ||
| That wasn't what was going on. | ||
| That was an excuse. | ||
| No, she was just like, you know what? | ||
| I want to live another day. | ||
| Well, she was exhausted. | ||
| She quit. | ||
| I come back next time stronger, which... | ||
| I think myself like this, if you do that once, you will do it again. | ||
| Well, you know, that is what Juliana said leading up to the fight. | ||
| Juliana said, I'm going to bring her back to what it was like when she was younger, and she would quit in fights. | ||
| A couple of fights she did at the beginning. | ||
| Yeah, well there was fights where she got exhausted, and she kind of like lost her way. | ||
| And then she became the greatest of all time. | ||
| And it's wild to see the difference. | ||
| I think it's too close to the pay-per-view time. | ||
| All the videos I'm looking at are just pictures. | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| Find it on my Instagram. | ||
| I have the video on my Instagram. | ||
| The UFC lets me slide. | ||
| They let me post shit on the Instagram. | ||
| Look, it's only promotion. | ||
| It's only helping. | ||
| No one wants to help the UFC more than I do. | ||
| I just can't control the video there. | ||
| You can't control it? | ||
| I can only hit stop and go. | ||
| Oh, it's okay. | ||
| Just show it to us. | ||
| Just show it to us. | ||
| Yeah, because that joke wasn't even close. | ||
| So here it is. | ||
| Listen to the volume, too, because we're going fucking crazy. | ||
| Me and DC are going nuts. | ||
|
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I love it. | |
| I was watching that you guys were screaming. | ||
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She was doing exactly what she said she was going to do. | |
| The jab. | ||
| Look at that jab in that right hand. | ||
| Look at Amanda. | ||
| Look at that jab! | ||
| Yeah, she don't have her feet under her. | ||
| Oh my goodness, she's so tired. | ||
| Her base is gone. | ||
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Listen to us. | |
| John Anik, the only professional, when you say that I was cranking out. | ||
| Big deep breath for Nunez. | ||
| Her eyes are gone too. | ||
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Ah, looks like it's under the chin. | |
| But it's not like... | ||
| Not deep. | ||
| No, not deep. | ||
| Did you see some guys getting off some deep chokes before? | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Because they have the fight on it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| She was like, I'll live another day. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, I mean, Dustin. | ||
| I mean, Oliveira had to keep adjusting on Dustin before he finally got it. | ||
| That was deep. | ||
| The moment he tapped, but might as well, if he was there, he just got it. | ||
| He went behind the head. | ||
| He hid the hand behind the head, and he got that ultimate leverage, too, from that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That was... | ||
| Charles Oliveira is a bad motherfucker. | ||
| He is a bad motherfucker. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The only thing that I was thinking about it, without pulling the glove, you wouldn't end on top. | ||
| True. | ||
| That was a cheap move. | ||
| So it's like, remember when Chad Mendes was about to suplex Aldo in the very first fight and he grabbed the fence and he got KO right after? | ||
| That would change a lot. | ||
| Changes everything. | ||
| Because the grapple was full on dip and that made him roll to end on his back and that round he took a lot of damage. | ||
| So it's like, if that will be a job, hey, stop. | ||
| Right, stop. | ||
| One point. | ||
| I think they should take a point off any... | ||
| Every time someone pokes an eye, every time someone kicks them in the nuts, every time someone grabs the fence, just take a phone off. | ||
| They'll stop doing it. | ||
| Everyone will stop doing it. | ||
| The moment you barely touch somebody and you get a point deducted, If you're doing this shit all the time, just keep these motherfuckers closed. | ||
| The thing is, guys with the big gloves in Muay Thai style, you know, they're doing this all the time. | ||
| They're doing this. | ||
| You can't do that. | ||
| You can't do that. | ||
| Close your fucking hands. | ||
| If you know for a fact, you will get a point deducted. | ||
| 100%. | ||
| Legally or illegally, intentionally or unintentionally, you know you go fucking like this. | ||
| How about Jillian Robertson and Priscilla Cachueda? | ||
| Cachueda's putting her fucking thumb in her eyeball. | ||
| What the fuck was that? | ||
| I caught her and sent her to jail, bro. | ||
| Bro, she should be cut. | ||
| That is horrible. | ||
| That's terrible cheating. | ||
| That's terrible cheating. | ||
| I said you should be cut by now. | ||
| I don't generally say that, but that is terrible cheating. | ||
| Have you seen that, Jamie? | ||
| I have this on for sure. | ||
| I tweeted a couple days ago. | ||
| I have this for sure saved. | ||
| I have it saved as a close-up. | ||
| I don't tweet much, and I put that thing on it. | ||
| That's horrible. | ||
| You literally can't do that. | ||
| You will blind someone. | ||
| I mean, imagine if you got, like, what happened to... | ||
| Bisping. | ||
| To Bisping. | ||
| Well, you lose a fucking eye because of that. | ||
| Here, I'm going to send you this, Jamie, because I've got a close-up of it, because this is so nasty. | ||
| Oh, here. | ||
| This is the worst. | ||
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Here. | |
| I'm not sending it to him right now. | ||
| What I sent you is like a super close up. | ||
| Like very close up. | ||
| It's so bad. | ||
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It's terrible. | |
| And Jillian was fucking her up. | ||
| She got her on the ground. | ||
| She was landing some good ground and pound. | ||
| She got her back. | ||
| Now look at this. | ||
| Look at this man! | ||
| That thumb is deep in the fucking eyeball. | ||
| I mean, and she did it twice. | ||
| She literally... | ||
| She keeps trying. | ||
| Oh my god, she did it twice. | ||
| She literally looked for her eye and stuck her thumb in the eye. | ||
| You can't do that. | ||
| You can't do that. | ||
| You gotta go. | ||
| That's unacceptable. | ||
| Watch this. | ||
| Look at this. | ||
| Finding the eyeball. | ||
| Holy shit. | ||
| Look at that shit, bro! | ||
| That is so crazy. | ||
| That is so crazy. | ||
| Finding the eyeball, and that is a blatant foul. | ||
| I mean, it's not just a blatant foul. | ||
| It's fucking cheating. | ||
| It's worse than steroids. | ||
| Yeah, if you're taking steroids, you get cut for two years. | ||
| I agree. | ||
| You're doing that? | ||
| You're done. | ||
| Get the fuck out of here. | ||
| You can't do that. | ||
| You could ruin someone's eyeball. | ||
| You could ruin her eyeball for life. | ||
| When she... | ||
| Fair and square. | ||
| Defeated you. | ||
| She got herself in a better position. | ||
| She submitted you. | ||
| You were about to tap. | ||
| And you stuck your fucking thumb in her eyeball. | ||
| I was going off when I was watching live. | ||
| And my wife was like, what's going on? | ||
| I was like, this fucking bitch is so... | ||
| I was like, did you know the other chick? | ||
| I'm like, I don't need to know her. | ||
| Horrible. | ||
| That's fucking awful. | ||
| You don't do that. | ||
| Horrible. | ||
| That's unacceptable. | ||
| Horrible. | ||
| That is unacceptable. | ||
| It's one of the worst examples of blatant cheating I've ever seen. | ||
| Yeah, a bad loser. | ||
| Fucking fight is over. | ||
| Not only that, miss weight. | ||
| I watched the whole thing with the second thing, the second look where she does it. | ||
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It makes it even worse. | |
| She did it again. | ||
| Yeah, look at the referee is not even stopping her from doing that, man. | ||
| She's just the first time. | ||
| If I'm the referee, I start punching her. | ||
| She is just fucking blatantly- Holy shit. | ||
| 100% cut her. | ||
| Cut her. | ||
| Get the fuck out of here. | ||
| If I'm the referee, I will punch her right there. | ||
| Goddamn. | ||
| Look, I know people get crazy when they're losing. | ||
| They get desperate. | ||
| They do wild shit and they regret it afterwards. | ||
| I don't give a fuck. | ||
| You can't do that. | ||
| You can ruin someone's eyesight for the rest of their life doing shit like that. | ||
| One thing is talking shit. | ||
| One thing is saying fuck you in the cage. | ||
| That's just crossing any fucking line you can ever have. | ||
| You're not. | ||
| I mean, as a person who is doing this for a living, you know there are certain things that can happen to you that can ruin your life. | ||
| And that's one of them. | ||
| You can lose your eyesight. | ||
| That's one of those. | ||
| I was losing it when I saw that. | ||
| I was like, holy fuck. | ||
| You do that, you're done forever. | ||
| Not just in the UFC. You should be gone. | ||
| You're not fighting. | ||
| Yeah, no one should want to hire you after that. | ||
| I mean, there's guys who've lost sight legitimately when, you know, Nick Lentz has also lost, I think, I think he said something like 40% of his sight in one of his eyes. | ||
| Holy shit. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| From, just from regular fights. | ||
| Michael wasn't an eye poke, but that was a kick. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Somebody that wasn't all the Jews on planet Earth. | ||
| All the Jews. | ||
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All. | |
| All of it. | ||
| Even borrowed from other countries. | ||
| Everything. | ||
| Bro. | ||
| Juicy Vitor, though, is one of my favorite fighters to watch. | ||
| But it was a sketch. | ||
| But I think Juicy Vitor should be fighting in like one FC or something like that, where they let him be Juicy. | ||
| Yeah, go fight heavyweights or skinny guys. | ||
| Everybody's Juicy. | ||
| Yeah, go fuck around there. | ||
| But Juicy Vitor in the UFC fucked so many people. | ||
| Yeah, he fucked a lot of people up, man. | ||
| Goddamn, but he was so scary. | ||
| He was so confident. | ||
| Juicy Vitor was just throwing wheel kicks at Luke Rockhold and shit. | ||
| In his UFC debut, he received him, but boy, Luke. | ||
| But you saw how hard Luke was trying to get him back. | ||
| The three or four fights after he kept beating people, he was calling Vitor's The UFC was like, no, bro. | ||
| He's good. | ||
| Leave it alone. | ||
| Well, that was after the TRT. So when Vitor got off the TRT, then everybody was like, oh. | ||
| Give me that fight. | ||
| Give me that fight. | ||
| Well, Chris Weidman got that fight. | ||
| Chris Weidman beat the fuck out of Vitor. | ||
| And that was post-TRT. That's karma, too. | ||
| It is. | ||
| You pay the price for that shit. | ||
| Vitor's whole body had deflated. | ||
| It was crazy to see. | ||
| There was nothing left. | ||
| It was like a balloon where the air had been let out of it. | ||
| It was mushy. | ||
| In South America, they put air through the asshole of the chickens to make it look bigger and sell it for a couple bucks extra. | ||
| It looked like the air was gone. | ||
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You know, when you kill the chicken to eat it, Right, they shrink up. | |
| And you pay like five bucks more for that shit. | ||
| But it was basically that. | ||
| It was a balloon deflated. | ||
| Well, it was worse than that, you know, because his ability was just so much superior to what it would be without that stuff. | ||
| But the thing about these guys, like the TRT was legal. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| So it was like... | ||
| They were just... | ||
| It's almost that you're not a real bad person. | ||
| You were taking advantage of the system. | ||
| Yes, you were taking advantage of the system. | ||
| You definitely get a wild card for that. | ||
| But still. | ||
| There was also a bunch of people that were doing it. | ||
| And the way they were cheating was they were getting TRT exemptions because they had taken steroids. | ||
| So the thing about... | ||
| The steroids is, if you take the steroids, then your body stops producing testosterone, so they get tested. | ||
| And they go, oh, he has low testosterone, he needs a testosterone use exemption. | ||
| But you need it because you've been cheating your whole life. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| And there was a lot of those guys that have been cheating from the jump. | ||
| I always say this. | ||
| I prefer to lose a hundred fights that win one by cheating. | ||
| By any means. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| My only, you know, by any means. | ||
| Like, any little advantage you take. | ||
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Right, right. | |
| Even if you have a doctor that tell you, like, if you mix this with that and being legal, it's still cheating. | ||
|
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Right. | |
| Like, should be hard training, good recovery. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And a lot of fucking waves. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| Yeah, a lot of huevos. | ||
| Yeah, that's important. | ||
| Yeah, it's very important. | ||
| I'm brain too, you know. | ||
| Toughness takes you somewhere. | ||
| Yes, right. | ||
| And after that, you need a brain that functions. | ||
| Well, to be a champion, I believe you need all those things. | ||
| You need the mind, you need the discipline, you need genetics, you need hard training, you need discipline. | ||
| The holes are closing. | ||
| The higher you go in the rankings, everything starts getting tired, tired, tired. | ||
| If you want to be Kamaru Usman, you've got to have everything. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You've got to have everything. | ||
| And he has everything. | ||
| He has everything. | ||
| That's why he's a champion. | ||
| That's why he's a champion. | ||
| He's got fantastic genetics. | ||
| He's got a bulletproof mind. | ||
| He's got fantastic technique, training, discipline, everything. | ||
| And he seems like he's generally a hard-fucking worker. | ||
| He's not fucking around. | ||
| He's a super nice guy, too. | ||
| I can tell. | ||
| Really, really, really nice guy. | ||
| I talked to him after the fights in New York, and I said congrats. | ||
| Seems pretty nice guy. | ||
| He's a great guy. | ||
| You know, his knees are fucked up, which is crazy. | ||
| And he's open about it. | ||
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I know. | |
| He's like, I'll still fuck you up. | ||
| My knees are trash, but I'll still fuck you up. | ||
| But in Thailand, there's a lot of people that have no ACL. Really? | ||
| It's okay. | ||
| In Thailand? | ||
| I heard about it. | ||
| I forget the name of the guy. | ||
| I know him through a friend. | ||
| And he's like, yeah, he's gone. | ||
| No ACLs. | ||
| And he just fights. | ||
| Those guys, they don't have PTs. | ||
| They tell them, hey, bro, your elbow's swollen. | ||
| They fight every weekend. | ||
| Right. | ||
| It's just... | ||
| Lifestyle for them. | ||
| Well, I don't think Usman has a problem with his ACLs. | ||
| It's his cartilage. | ||
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He's just gone. | |
| All his meniscus is trashed. | ||
| It's all bone-on-bone. | ||
| Why do you think about the guy that you had here before the More Plates More Day telling everybody how Usman is on everything? | ||
| I'm like, holy shit. | ||
| It's hard to believe. | ||
| I didn't see that video. | ||
| I've seen his video on Jon Jones and I've seen his video on Paulo Costa. | ||
| Jon was mad about it. | ||
| I'm sure he was. | ||
| Yeah, he was so mad. | ||
| I'm sure. | ||
| But Jon's tested positive. | ||
| Couple times. | ||
| Couple times. | ||
| I mean, this is his... | ||
| You know, he's explaining. | ||
| The thing about it is... | ||
| At least according to Derek. | ||
| When Derek from More Plates, More Dates talks about it, what he's saying is there's thresholds, like there's acceptable thresholds, and you can manipulate your hormones and still fall within these acceptable thresholds, and that USADA has some holes in the way they collect data. | ||
| I believe 100%. | ||
| If you have some money you can spend there, you can find a way to do it. | ||
| What he was also talking about was the fact that John had low testosterone, but he had this in his system. | ||
| And he said a lot of times when a fighter has very low testosterone, but they also have tested something in their system, he goes, it's indicative of someone that's trying to get off of something. | ||
| Now, I don't know if that's true. | ||
| I'm not a chemist. | ||
| I'm not a biologist. | ||
| I do like to research and read about it. | ||
| And then the Usman Papa was like, don't tell me that about this guy. | ||
| When I had it right here, that's the fucking guy to follow. | ||
| Don't tell me that about it. | ||
| I don't know if it's true. | ||
| It could be genetics. | ||
| Look, Francis is all genetics. | ||
| Francis Ngannou, that's all genetics, man. | ||
| Yeah, but also, that's for real. | ||
| For over many years, digging like a motherfucker. | ||
| He was on the fucking shovel. | ||
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As a young boy. | |
| Yeah, his body developed digging sand. | ||
| When I saw him on MSG, I was a little drunk already. | ||
| I was drinking whiskey right after the fight. | ||
| And I saw him for a while. | ||
| I was like, fucking Francis, bro. | ||
| And I started grabbing him. | ||
| I'm like, you're fucking huge. | ||
| Hey, how big is your dick? | ||
| Tell me when to stop. | ||
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Tell me. | |
| And he's like, you very funny, brother. | ||
| I was like, tell me. | ||
| Stop, tell me, stop. | ||
| And I was grabbing him. | ||
| I'm like, are you fucking real? | ||
| But I got like six shots of whiskey in my head already. | ||
| He was starting to laugh, but he's a pretty decent guy. | ||
| He don't fuck around too much. | ||
| And I was like, Francis, holy shit, dude. | ||
| I ride so many horses. | ||
| No one is as hard as you already. | ||
| He was like trying to laugh. | ||
| What do you think about his fight with Sioghan? | ||
| That's a serious fight. | ||
| That's a serious fight. | ||
| That's after Cain era. | ||
| This is the best fight of the history. | ||
| You know, we can say that because when Cain was champion, there's some fucking great fights. | ||
| I think this is a new era, like the new Cain Velasquez against Junior Dos Santos. | ||
| That motherfucker can move like a lightweight. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, Kane had the kind of cardio that only exists in lower weight classes, but he has it as a heavyweight. | ||
| It didn't even make any sense. | ||
| His cardio was crazy. | ||
| And he was able to throw head kicks, move side to side. | ||
| Yeah, everything. | ||
| He did everything. | ||
| With his boxing, I was like, holy shit. | ||
| When he was in his prime, and here's the thing about primes, when people talk about the greatest of all time, I put Kane in that category. | ||
| I don't know who's the greatest of all time. | ||
| I don't know if it's Fedor, I don't know if it's Kane, I don't know if it's Stipe. | ||
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All of them are. | |
| Yes. | ||
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They all of them. | |
| It doesn't exist. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| People get so fooled on the weekends. | ||
| Like, they're looking for one person. | ||
| Yeah, and they get fooled on the weekends. | ||
| Like, let's say this weekend, Conor fights and won. | ||
| They put him right there. | ||
| I'm like, guys... | ||
| Before Conor, Jose Aldo was the GOAT. Yep. | ||
| Before Jose Aldo, you know, there's always, like, in times, like, GSP, right on his time, right, a favor, like, there's always... | ||
| He was in the WC. Exactly. | ||
| And favor is way before Aldo. | ||
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Yep. | |
| So you put them on the line. | ||
| And maybe before a favor, there was one guy in King of the Ketchup, I don't know his name right now, but there's always, like, a guy on his time. | ||
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Right, right. | |
| So there's a GOAT for each decade, for each era. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| When they try to, like... | ||
| This guy deleted all of them. | ||
| He's like, no, calm down. | ||
| Like, Mighty Mouse should be up there. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| That motherfucker was invincible for a long time. | ||
| He was unstoppable. | ||
| When he threw Raybor with that suplex on the armbar. | ||
| And then caught the armbar on the ground. | ||
| You better make a statue of that little motherfucker than that. | ||
| You know what I'm saying? | ||
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Yes. | |
| They have a statue for Rocky Balboa. | ||
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I know. | |
| I'm not George Foreman. | ||
| This is not even a real fighter. | ||
| I know, right? | ||
| I just feel like it's like an illusion. | ||
| It's like a cloud. | ||
| Every weekend, there's something cooler happen than the weekend before. | ||
| And people get so full. | ||
| And I also think that's how fighters get fucked in the head. | ||
| Because when they win on Saturday night, they think this lasts forever. | ||
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Right. | |
| By fucking Tuesday, the only people that remember this is your fucking mom, your coach, and probably you. | ||
| Then the people look forward to the next fight. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So, you know, Saturday night, awesome, you won, cool, you celebrate. | ||
| Monday morning, that's why I say Monday morning, I go back to the horse. | ||
| You know, you keep thinking forward because that's on the bus already. | ||
| And that also happened with the rankings, with the new GOATs. | ||
| I'm like, calm down, guys. | ||
| The next weekend, you go, oh, we found a new GOAT. No, asshole. | ||
| It's the same GOAT. When one champion loses, he don't lose all his world titles before. | ||
| He loses one fight. | ||
| But how we are set with the media and with the MMA and with the rankings, it's all wrong. | ||
| Yeah, it's... | ||
| When you start talking about greatest of all time and you talk about pound for pound best, those two arguments get real weird. | ||
| Sometimes there's a clear guy. | ||
| Anderson Silva in his prime was the clear goat. | ||
| Do not move that guy from that list. | ||
| No, you can't remove him because of the later fights. | ||
| When he was fighting in London, holy shit, that fucking elbow coming from the bone. | ||
| Yeah, Tony Fricklin. | ||
| Yeah, but that's the other one thing. | ||
| These idiots that make all these things, they're not really watching MMA. They're Saturday night junkies. | ||
| They're eating popcorn. | ||
| Oh, that's a goat. | ||
| No, eat it. | ||
| You gotta watch a little bit more of it. | ||
| Like, get yourself a little more into it. | ||
| Like, read a little more. | ||
| There's more than just what happened on that Saturday night. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And it's so easy to forget. | ||
| Like, BJ Penn on his prime. | ||
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Mm-hmm. | |
| Good Lord, that motherfucker was good. | ||
| Oh, my God. | ||
| It was amazing. | ||
| He fought a little past his prime. | ||
| And now it hurt me because I know him personally. | ||
| I love him. | ||
| But people that don't know him, they just remember the last four fights. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| GSP on his prime. | ||
| He never really lost when he was on his prime, besides the Matt Serra and Matt's huge fight. | ||
| But after that, the way he dominated. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He was taking down wrestlers that no one take down at will. | ||
| And he had so many fights, man. | ||
| When he took two years off, or how many years off did he take before he fought Bisping? | ||
| Four years off. | ||
| Four years off and then fought Bisping. | ||
| And came back and beat a legitimate world champion in Bisping and did it finally. | ||
| It was a final solution. | ||
| I mean, it was clear cut. | ||
| He submitted him and put him to sleep. | ||
| And after he had a first round that he was eating elbows from the top, Michael Bisping fucked him up from the bottom. | ||
| And then he came back We're in the storm, and I still put him in my... | ||
| And the way he's seeing the fucking choke when he went around and took... | ||
| I was like... | ||
| Amazing. | ||
| Well, his jiu-jitsu got better. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Because he kept training. | ||
| He trains all the time. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You look at his body... | ||
| He was just here. | ||
| I know. | ||
| I miss him. | ||
| He was the one that put me in contact with Dan Herr. | ||
| Ah, nice. | ||
| I text him. | ||
| I'm like, hey, I'm going to see Joe on Tuesday. | ||
| Can you send me Dan Herr's contact so I come on Friday and train the whole week with him? | ||
| And I learned some good shit. | ||
| Yeah, no, Donaher, he's an unusual person, man. | ||
| You want to talk about a resource. | ||
| Having a guy who's a PhD in philosophy, a guy who is a professor at Columbia, like a real legit genius, who gets obsessed with Jiu Jitsu, and that's all he cares about. | ||
| Yeah, but he was talking, like, even people that know him from the Gordon Ryan time, he's been training back in the day, like, he knows, like, when the Hans Renzo gym was, like, the real deal. | ||
| Like, when they were scrapping every day there, fucking even Renzo's brother was alive. | ||
| He's from back then, from the old good days. | ||
| Oh yeah. | ||
| So the experience he has is huge. | ||
| Before his body fell apart, he was very formidable. | ||
| Everybody was raving about how good his jiu-jitsu was. | ||
| He was elite. | ||
| And the way he teaches, it's step A to B. There's no crazy, you have to do all these things before. | ||
| No, it's just simple. | ||
| I was able to memorize... | ||
| So easy, whatever he was teaching. | ||
| And for day one to day four, I was like, almost remember everything. | ||
| I'm a fucking moron. | ||
| I'm not the smartest guy out there thinking about it. | ||
| I gotta focus a lot to get it together. | ||
| But the way he was teaching, I was like, wow, that's easy to learn. | ||
| Well, look at the results. | ||
| I mean, look at his star pupil, Gordon Ryan. | ||
| When have you ever heard of a guy who's 25 who's universally considered the greatest of all time in jiu-jitsu? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's never happened before. | ||
| Never happened. | ||
| Never happened. | ||
| And in a place like jiu-jitsu, it's so hard. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like you got Roy Gracie, Galba. | ||
| Yeah, everybody. | ||
| It's not easy. | ||
| Yeah, and people just don't want to fuck with him. | ||
| They avoid him. | ||
| No. | ||
| Peña caught him early. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And that's about it. | ||
| Well, a couple guys, you know, they get close early and, you know, beat him early, and now no one. | ||
| Now no one. | ||
| Now everybody, like, when a guy like him can take someone like Wagner Rocha and play with him and put a fucking triangle in an envelope and say, this is how I'm going to tap him, hands it to the commentators, and say after the fight, open that up. | ||
| It's gnarly. | ||
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What the fuck? | |
| Who does that? | ||
| That's a little past the level of we're normally able to see. | ||
| We'll see what happens with Galbao in September. | ||
| What do you think is going to happen? | ||
| Like, it's almost, you can know what's going to happen, but Galvao is a real deal. | ||
| Galvao's a tank, too. | ||
| From the early days when Galvao was with Tarare, with Cabrinha, it was like almost impossible to think a fucking 25-year-old is going to beat him. | ||
| But he's going to train. | ||
| He better. | ||
| He will. | ||
| I know for a fact. | ||
| If he beats Galbao in September, I'm like, that's it. | ||
| Put him on the ground. | ||
| And then if he does, who's next for him? | ||
| I think he's going to gain more weight now that his stomach is not fucked up anymore. | ||
| I would talk about it too. | ||
| Yeah, his stomach is getting better. | ||
| It's not 100%, but it's pretty close. | ||
| It's way better than it was at least. | ||
| No, I know. | ||
| And I was talking to him, like, what happened with, you know, all the antibiotics he took, his bacteria was killed. | ||
| I was like, Indian is, in my opinion, is double up the fermented food, try fasting. | ||
| But, you know, go talk to a real doctor because whatever I do for myself is what I take from perfecting athletes or whatever I do from reading or whatever. | ||
| Have you had staff? | ||
| Never. | ||
| That's how he got it. | ||
| He got staff. | ||
| The thing is, it was an epidemic of staff in that Henzo school at one point in time. | ||
| That basement. | ||
| Because it's in a basement in New York City. | ||
| It doesn't get any sunlight. | ||
| He just created it. | ||
| The funk was in the air. | ||
| New York City gets moist as fuck. | ||
| I know. | ||
| And to kill all that stuff, good luck. | ||
| It's hard. | ||
| And then they're training every day. | ||
| It's a pool of sweat. | ||
| And also, who's really going to the shower right away? | ||
| Right. | ||
| I don't fuck around with that. | ||
| Yeah, you better get in there. | ||
| The moment I'm done, I finish my stretch, I'm soaping. | ||
| I'm putting the defense up all over my body. | ||
| Everywhere, everywhere. | ||
| And any kind of cuts you have, put the salve on it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And you know what also helps a lot? | ||
| That color of silver. | ||
| What is it? | ||
| Colloidal silver. | ||
| Oh, colloidal silver. | ||
| There you go. | ||
|
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Thank you. | |
| That helps? | ||
| Oh, I put that under my tongue every day. | ||
| But also, if I have little cuts, I put it in there. | ||
| I haven't had a ring in years. | ||
| What is colloidal silver supposed to do if you take it under your tongue? | ||
| It works good against bacteria and viruses. | ||
| Yeah? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So you take it under your tongue? | ||
| Well, it's like, you know, like when you put CBD drops, you put it in your tons of absorbs better. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And then you just keep it there for like 10 seconds and then swallow it. | ||
| I saw a guy that was on a TV show once where he took too much colloidal silver and his whole skin turned blue. | ||
| Oh, wow. | ||
| You ever see that? | ||
| No, but I take... | ||
| Oh, you need to see this guy. | ||
| I took whatever the fucking thing says. | ||
| This guy went off on colloidal silver. | ||
| I took like two droppers a day. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| It changed his whole like skin. | ||
| Like the egg. | ||
| He became like a smurf. | ||
| Like, look. | ||
| Holy shit. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's what he used to look like. | ||
| He used to be a handsome fella. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Man turned blue after self-medicating colloidal silver. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Look at that. | ||
| Thank God I read and I don't do it just because. | ||
| Is that reversible? | ||
| Trendy supplement can damage your organs and make your skin blue. | ||
| How is it doing that? | ||
| Look at that picture right there. | ||
| Jamie, pull that one up above that guy's face where the guy's blue. | ||
| Right there. | ||
| How much it was taken? | ||
| Look how crazy that one looks on the right. | ||
| That looks like a fake person. | ||
| They'd have to be photoshopping a little bit. | ||
| I don't think so, man. | ||
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When you saw the show, it emphasizes the rest of it. | |
| It's kind of, yeah, but how much it was taking, like a full bottle a day? | ||
|
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I don't know. | |
| You have to take like a stupid amount. | ||
| Look, everything in exciteration is going to fuck you up anyway. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's why even with my vitamins, I don't triple that. | ||
| You don't need to triple that. | ||
| No. | ||
| You just take one dose and you should be fine. | ||
| Train hard. | ||
| Recovery good. | ||
| Take your supplements. | ||
| Take some sun. | ||
| Walk barefoot. | ||
| Fuck a lot. | ||
| You should be fine. | ||
| Right? | ||
| Yeah, I don't think that there's a cure for that shit either. | ||
| Yeah, but see that bottle? | ||
| It looks pretty sketchy. | ||
| The one that I checked looks pretty. | ||
| I swear to God. | ||
| I used to have that fucking pee color. | ||
| The color? | ||
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No. | |
| That's what you look like. | ||
| Oh, that bottle looks wrong. | ||
| It looks wrong. | ||
| Look at this shit. | ||
| Looks like I pee in there and I'm taking it in the morning. | ||
| Mine looks a little bit more pretty than that. | ||
| Well, there's a problem with a lot of these alternative medicines. | ||
| It's like there's not a lot of research on them. | ||
| It's hard to know what's legit and what's not legit. | ||
| Some of it's very legit. | ||
| Like garlic is really good for... | ||
| I eat garlic on everything. | ||
| Garlic is great for bacteria. | ||
| According to Wikipedia, the guy we pulled up was using homemade silver. | ||
| Oh, there you go. | ||
| Silver coleroid. | ||
| He's a fucking idiot. | ||
| What does that mean? | ||
| Colioid. | ||
| Colioid? | ||
| Yeah, it says he turned blue after he took a homemade silver chloride colioid. | ||
| And that guy brought us a silver salve on his face. | ||
| He used silver salve on his face? | ||
| An attempt to treat problems with sinus dermatitis and acid reflux. | ||
| Silver salve. | ||
| So is that what turned his skin? | ||
| Because it seemed like all of his skin, like his whole face, everything. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Yeah, but probably if your face is turning blue, the body just falls. | ||
| Oh, my God. | ||
| He died young, too, I believe. | ||
| Didn't he? | ||
| He suffered from heart problems for years, heavy smoker, triple bypass surgery. | ||
| Oh, there you go. | ||
| It's the same thing with... | ||
| A lot of a heart attack in 2013. Yeah. | ||
| That doesn't help either. | ||
| Not good. | ||
| How old was he when he died? | ||
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Doesn't... | |
| He smoked a lot. | ||
| 51 to 2013? | ||
| 62. Live a little bit. | ||
| But it's like, don't be smoking cigarettes, eating shit, and doing your own medicine at home. | ||
| That's not going to help. | ||
| That's a bad combination. | ||
| The only medicine you can do at home is plant a couple of weed plants in your backyard. | ||
| That's the only home... | ||
| Have you grown weed yet? | ||
| No, but I will. | ||
| Yeah, it seems like a lot of work. | ||
| You gotta separate the females from the males. | ||
| But I have a full-on beautiful garden. | ||
| All the vegetables. | ||
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Oh, yeah? | |
| Oh, I stopped going to Whole Foods for like three months. | ||
| Oh, nice. | ||
| And these fucking raccoons figured it out. | ||
| These raccoons. | ||
| They raid my garden. | ||
| Yeah, those cunts. | ||
| I bought cages. | ||
| I bought fucking pellet guns. | ||
| They're smarter than I thought. | ||
| I couldn't find them. | ||
| And then one day, I point my gun at them. | ||
| That fucker used to step up on me. | ||
| I was like, never mind. | ||
| I just go home. | ||
| He stepped up like he was ready to fight you? | ||
| Oh, ready. | ||
| Like, he just raised up. | ||
| And I was like, ah, because one pellet won't kill him. | ||
| And I'm not that accurate. | ||
| It'll hurt. | ||
| It will hurt him, but he will come charging at me. | ||
| Get a crossbow. | ||
| I need to get into that. | ||
| I want to hunt so bad. | ||
| Do you? | ||
| All my friends that hunt, they bring me food. | ||
| And my freezer is packed right now. | ||
| I would give you some food. | ||
| Oh, you know what I can give you? | ||
| I can give you some jerky. | ||
| I got some jerky here. | ||
| I'll give you some elk jerky. | ||
| My lawyer just killed an elk not a while ago. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And you know, normal people don't want to eat the liver. | ||
| Oh, I eat the liver. | ||
| I fucking eat the shit of that. | ||
| Yeah, liver's great. | ||
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This big. | |
| I've been eating that every fucking day since. | ||
| So good for you. | ||
| Luke Rockhole just killed another one. | ||
| Yeah, I saw. | ||
| And give me a shit lot of ground elk. | ||
| Nice. | ||
| I'm eating liver and ground elk. | ||
| The last 20 days. | ||
| That's phenomenal for you. | ||
| I feel like a superhero. | ||
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I swear to God. | |
| People don't get it. | ||
| Everybody that I know, when they go hunting, I'm like, please take me. | ||
| I carry your shit. | ||
| I make jokes. | ||
| I roll the joints. | ||
| I do whatever you want. | ||
| And then my lawyer told me, the way my lawyer told me to fuck off is to get a hunting license and I take you. | ||
| And he thought, I was like, I won't do it. | ||
| I call him in a week later, bro, I got the hunting license, what's up? | ||
| He's like, no way. | ||
| I'm like, come on, take me! | ||
| I don't know why they don't take me. | ||
| Well, Texas is a great place to hunt because there's so much private land here and they have these hunting ranches where they have like thousands of acres and they'll take you and teach you. | ||
| Like my friend Jesse Griffiths, he runs this, he has a restaurant out here called Dai Due. | ||
| It's an amazing restaurant. | ||
| I was supposed to go last night there. | ||
| He's the one that sells all the liver and everything. | ||
| You can eat everything there. | ||
| Yes, yes, yes. | ||
| We're supposed to go last night and I just fell asleep early. | ||
| Dai Due, he has a wild game there because there's some of it that you can sell in restaurants that gets killed in Texas if it's exotic or wild hogs. | ||
| He cooks a lot of wild hogs. | ||
| But he's got this... | ||
| What is his Instagram? | ||
| Jesse's Instagram is... | ||
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He was just here, right? | |
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| I hear that one, yeah. | ||
| His coffee's good. | ||
| I forget his... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| His Instagram, Jamie, is sac.a.late. | ||
| Yeah, which is... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| What does that mean? | ||
| Sac.a.late. | ||
| What does that mean? | ||
| Sounds in Spanish. | ||
| The New School of Traditional Cookery is his... | ||
| That's his other Instagram. | ||
| If you click on that, that will take you to the Instagram page for his... | ||
| He teaches people how to shoot... | ||
| How to kill the animal, how to butcher it, and how to cook it. | ||
| And he specializes in wild hogs. | ||
| I'm interested in that. | ||
| Yeah, well, next time you come out here, we'll schedule a hunt with Jesse, and we'll do another podcast, and we'll cook something. | ||
| Or you tell me when's the next hunting, and I just come for that. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Because I really, like, that's one of the things, I never do it, but it's like... | ||
| In my soul. | ||
| You want to do it. | ||
| I want to do it so bad. | ||
| Just be in the wild. | ||
| I was just like you. | ||
| I was just like you before I hunted. | ||
| Same thing. | ||
| I want to do this. | ||
| I want to do this. | ||
| Then once I did it, I was like, oh, I'm doing this from now on. | ||
| And that's what I do. | ||
| I look forward to it so much now. | ||
| And that's how I get my meat now. | ||
| And the way I eat meat, I feel like I love cooking. | ||
| I cook every day. | ||
| How do you cook? | ||
| Just in a skillet or the Traeger. | ||
| I like the skillet because it feels more like one-on-one. | ||
| Like in the Traeger, you just leave it there, come back later, and it's done. | ||
| In the skillet, I actually have to put more skillet. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| And that gets me so happy to cook. | ||
| Every time I'm cooking, I make sure I'm cooking either for my wife or for somebody because when they give me approval that the food is good, there's something about it. | ||
| I was talking to Action Bronson. | ||
| I was like, bro, send me tips. | ||
| And then he's like, just come to New York and cook with me. | ||
| And every time I'm about to cook something, I text him. | ||
| Is this right? | ||
| Is this wrong? | ||
| I'm like, I hope I'm not bugging you, but I fucking love cooking and you cook good. | ||
| Or same with Matty Matty. | ||
| So I'm like, can you guys teach me how to cook? | ||
| Because, I don't know, there's something about it that just makes me so happy. | ||
| And I feel if I kill my animal, And cook it, then I'm real horny. | ||
| I'm happy. | ||
| Yeah, you will be very, very happy. | ||
| I guarantee you. | ||
| There's just something about it that when I'm cooking a meal for my kids, for my friends, and I don't eat, I just cook and serve. | ||
| Yeah, it feels great. | ||
| It feels fucking awesome. | ||
| Well, if you do, I guarantee you, when you do hunt and you do kill an animal and then you cook it and serve it to your friends, you'll feel even more happy. | ||
| It'll take it to the next level. | ||
| Guaranteed. | ||
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100%. | |
| I'm going to get there because it's just something about it. | ||
| That's great that you're friends with those guys, too, because that can definitely help. | ||
| Both guys are serious chefs. | ||
| Both are serious chefs. | ||
| And I definitely talk with both of them, but sometimes I'm cooking, and I'm like, action, is this right? | ||
| Is this wrong? | ||
| And I'm like, holy fuck, something little details. | ||
| I'm like, this fucking thing tastes better. | ||
| The way I like cooking is almost... | ||
| I love surfing or I love fighting. | ||
| Those three things get me out of the bed all the time. | ||
| Yeah, I love it too. | ||
| I've been cooking lately a lot over hardwood fires. | ||
| I got an Argentine style grill where you make the crank and it goes up and down. | ||
| Oh, those are great. | ||
| And I lay the fire underneath there. | ||
| Oh my God, I love it. | ||
| Every time I cook, Parillo cooks really good too. | ||
| Does he? | ||
| Or really good. | ||
| He's a great coach. | ||
| He's a man. | ||
| Very good striking coach. | ||
| I would say he took me to the next level. | ||
| Like, a hundred percent. | ||
| Like, everybody that worked with me before, they all did something, you know. | ||
| You don't take it right away from nobody. | ||
| But when I moved full-time with him, I was like, holy shit. | ||
| It's like I was doing so much for little reward. | ||
| With him, I'm doing less, but it's just effective. | ||
| What is the difference in the way he teaches? | ||
| He goes to the point. | ||
| We don't do these three-hour classes. | ||
| We don't, you know, we spar hard. | ||
| We hit me hard. | ||
| But everything comes like, you know, everybody hits the back, right? | ||
| Everybody can hit it. | ||
| But in each bag at the gym, I have a job to do. | ||
| Like, he teaches me how to work with each bag. | ||
| Sometimes, he's not in the gym, he just tells me, work on these bags and do this. | ||
| Work on the tire. | ||
| Work on the wall. | ||
| I post a lot, like me working on the wall to get the straight right hand. | ||
| Little things that before I would drill with a partner back and forth, like jab, cross, hook, back and forth. | ||
| What do you mean by on the wall? | ||
| Like, I get myself on the wall, and I throw my straight right hand without breaking my elbow on the wall. | ||
| Oh, I see. | ||
| So you put your back against the wall? | ||
| I did this this morning. | ||
| I sent it to him. | ||
| But do you back up to the wall? | ||
| I have to show you. | ||
| And then you throw? | ||
| It's this. | ||
| And the idea is to not lift your elbow up? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Oh, let me see. | ||
| I sent that to him. | ||
| And then, like, you have to, like, my right hand is against the wall. | ||
| And then I'm throwing, throwing, throwing. | ||
| So my right hand comes, like, straight like a piece down the middle. | ||
| Instead of, like, you charge this and then you go. | ||
| So your opponent have a second to move. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And then I do these things every day before practice. | ||
| So this is not a video. | ||
| This is a picture. | ||
| Oh, he took, oh, he probably sent me a picture. | ||
| It looks like a video, but it's just a screenshot. | ||
| Like I get in the wall. | ||
| Oh, I see. | ||
| So you put your right shoulder up against the wall so that your elbow doesn't flare out. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And then little things like that, like before I would do like 10 different things with a partner, and then with him it's just like little things. | ||
| But then when I'm actually sparring, I get all the benefits from it. | ||
| Like, I'm like, oh, I was hitting them. | ||
| I wasn't getting hit. | ||
| And I'm like, oh, wow. | ||
| All these, all these crazy things, all these drills, when you can just go in a small, like, you just squeeze everything together. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And, you know, the only way you figure it out, how good you're getting, is when you spar another good guy. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And then you're like, okay, you figured it out. | ||
| Do you have a Muay Thai coach, like, who works with you on your kicks and all that stuff? | ||
| Not anymore. | ||
| No? | ||
| And since I work with him, he focuses on my boxing and my bass. | ||
| My kicks are better than before. | ||
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Really? | |
| Because I'm kicking from a balance point. | ||
| Like, if you see me lately, my calf kicks... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I'm not winning. | ||
| I'm just going, boom, straight to the target. | ||
| I'm sitting down on my punches and I'm able to move because some coaches before when I'm hitting mid, they tell me what to throw. | ||
| So it's like... | ||
| You know, when you're fighting, nobody's like Jabco's hook. | ||
| He goes like... | ||
| He's just weird on top. | ||
| He just goes like this. | ||
| And you just throw it. | ||
| And he's always moving with you. | ||
| And he got good footwork. | ||
| Like, himself as a fighter, he moves with you. | ||
| So, sometimes when you're hitting meat, everybody looks like Canelo when he's hitting meat. | ||
| But putting that into a real fight is a different animal. | ||
| And he's moving all the time with me. | ||
| Sometimes he shows something, and he took it off and put it on the other side. | ||
| And now you gotta stop this to come here. | ||
| And that's what, when you're sparring goes, because sometimes you want to throw and that guy's gone. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Then you got to do something else. | ||
| Interesting. | ||
| And then I feel balanced. | ||
| And then the best thing about him is the fucking shit he talks. | ||
| Not in a bad way. | ||
| He talks. | ||
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Good shit. | |
| He gets in your mind. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And it's like, holy shit. | ||
| He gets you hard in a lot of ways. | ||
| He will just talk to you. | ||
| And... | ||
| You know, he's the one, you know, he grabbed B-spin, making him a champion. | ||
| RDA have a great run with him. | ||
| Cyber. | ||
| You know, monkey see, monkey do, you know. | ||
| I don't want to go with a coach that have a thousand fighters. | ||
| I want to go with a coach that have a couple ones, but each of them get to the point, which is the bell. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I was at a point that I was like, I'm winning fights and I'm feeling a little short in some decisions. | ||
| I wasn't getting killed, but I'm like, I need a coach to just step me up. | ||
| And it's paying off. | ||
| Do you work with anybody on kicks? | ||
| Or do you just do them yourself? | ||
| I kick a lot. | ||
| We work a lot in the back, and in the back, I kind of freestyle. | ||
| I throw my punches and my kicks. | ||
| And of course, when I'm sparring, I go full-on punches, kicks, and ground. | ||
| But you just do your boxing with Perillo, and then your kick's 100% you. | ||
| Well, he make me kick, too. | ||
| But think about it. | ||
| B-spin is a kickboxer, right? | ||
| Because I did ask Bisping, I'm like, how do you do with the kicks? | ||
| I'm like, Barilo will figure it out for you. | ||
| And Bisping kick until the end. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So it's not like he take away the kicks from you. | ||
| He just give you a little better base so you can kick even more. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Like the way he make you sit, he don't make you sit like a boxer. | ||
| He don't make you bend on the waist or do like all the things that boxer does because there's things coming down the middle. | ||
| kicks, knees, and even my elbows. | ||
| He said I'm a coach. | ||
| I'm throwing more elbows than before. | ||
| - Really? - In the debut grand fire, he's slicing him open from the stand-up. | ||
| - Do you think there's any benefit at all occasionally working with someone on your kicks? | ||
| - Probably, like I will feel What I'm saying is, if you think about how he's improving your punching, imagine if you had someone who's similar to him but with kicks. | ||
| I'll have to find that first. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But there's people around. | ||
| Well, you're close to Mesa. | ||
| There's so much martial arts in your area. | ||
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There's a lot. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| The only thing that sometimes I feel like when, if I go to a kickboxing coach, like he can improve my kicks, but he can also get in my head like, hey, don't do this, do this. | ||
| So like, I just feel right now, everything is working together. | ||
| And we communicate pretty good. | ||
| So I'm like, if everything is working now, why add another voice to my ear? | ||
| I just always feel like, yeah, adding another voice to your ear is probably not the best thing, but just someone to maybe occasionally tighten up technique. | ||
| I feel the same way about what Perello's done to your boxing. | ||
| I feel like if no one's working with you on your kicks, it's probably someone who could tweak a few things here and there and make your kicks even more effective. | ||
| Yeah, that's true. | ||
| And I'm definitely open for that. | ||
| This is like me as a person who's... | ||
| Very interested in kicks. | ||
| That's why I asked you today if you're working out. | ||
| I was about to ask you, because I love sidekicks and spinning wheel kicks. | ||
| I throw a lot of sidekicks in the fights, I don't really throw spinning wheel kicks. | ||
| Well, next time you come here, we'll have a full gym. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| We're setting it up right now. | ||
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Perfect. | |
| So next time, I'll be happy to come here. | ||
| I just had a crazy day today. | ||
| No, and I also, when I texted you, you told me you're working a letter. | ||
| I went straight to the gym. | ||
| I did all that. | ||
| I did the boxing. | ||
| I did some weights. | ||
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Nice. | |
| But like, you know, I'm always trying to figure it out, the next step, how to get better. | ||
| That's one thing he always says, there's always room to improvement. | ||
| That's the thing about working with elite fighters too, because you get to see people that are so good and you get to realize that there's certain things they do better than you. | ||
| If you just work with guys that are not as good as you, It's very difficult to get really, really elite, to get really good. | ||
| Me personally, that's one thing I caught a lot from my circle. | ||
| If you don't uplift me, if you're not trying to do something huge for your life, I don't hang out with you. | ||
| You know that Kobe Bryant, there's a famous video where he's talking about lazy people. | ||
| About being around lazy people. | ||
| Get the fuck away from me. | ||
| I don't want to have nothing to do with you. | ||
| That might be contagious. | ||
| It is contagious. | ||
| Because they brought you down at their level. | ||
| Even if you don't want that. | ||
| For me, if I caught somebody from my life and they feel weird about it, it's not for a reason that they're not trying hard or they're not figuring it out. | ||
| Well, that mindset of a loser is very contagious, and also they require too much attention, too much energy. | ||
| You know, it's so hard to see when someone makes excuses and you try to talk to them and say, hey man, you can't think like this, and then they go right back to it. | ||
| You're like, okay, I don't know what the fuck to tell you, but I don't have any time for this. | ||
| A hundred percent. | ||
| I just don't have time. | ||
| I have one or two conversations. | ||
| If I really love you, I'm going to tell you, like, hey, this is not working. | ||
| You should get better. | ||
| And you should jump right on that advice. | ||
| I go straight to the point. | ||
| But if that person just is content where they're at, they will... | ||
| Or they make excuses for why. | ||
| Well, the reason why is this. | ||
| How many fighters go after the fight? | ||
| Most likely when they lose. | ||
| They say like, oh, during camp my rib, during camp my feet. | ||
| Right. | ||
| That's a fucking excuse. | ||
| You lose, you lose. | ||
| Just take it like a man. | ||
| How about Paulo Costa? | ||
| He had like a hundred of them. | ||
| The wine. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Or the boxer that wants to lose... | ||
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Tianté? | |
| Holy shit. | ||
| Oh my god, that was the worst. | ||
| I was like, shut the fuck up. | ||
| He said he got poisoned, the thing weighed too much. | ||
| But at least he didn't have excuses after the second fight. | ||
| The second fight, we got knocked out again, or the third fight. | ||
| You shouldn't have. | ||
| If you have excuses again, you... | ||
| I just think he couldn't believe that Tyson Fury put it on him like that. | ||
| I couldn't believe that. | ||
| I can see that from Deontay. | ||
| But when you watch the first fight, Tyson was boxing until the 12th round. | ||
| He got dropped in the 12th round, he got up, and then he chased after Deontay. | ||
| And then in that round, he realized how to fight Wilder. | ||
| And then the second fight, that's the only way he fought him, and he beat the shit out of him. | ||
| Just put pressure on him. | ||
| And then the third fight, I mean, Deontay had his moments. | ||
| That fucking right hand is something, man. | ||
| He definitely... | ||
| He got the power, but he don't have the boxing skill. | ||
| Well, he's... | ||
| He's working on that. | ||
| Because Tyson can pimp like a motherfucker. | ||
| He can move side to side. | ||
| He does everything. | ||
| He does everything. | ||
| He's just ahead. | ||
| Because power, it's like a blessing. | ||
| But the rest, you have to work for that. | ||
| It's a blessing, but it's kind of a curse in that you rely on it so much. | ||
| And really, it should come out of nowhere. | ||
| And you should almost, like, if you have power, you should train like you don't. | ||
| Train like you don't. | ||
| Train like you have to be a boxer and then let it come when it's there. | ||
| Because you gotta work on a skill. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| You have to work on a skill. | ||
| There's guys that have power that also have defensive movement and skill. | ||
| Like that's why Canelo is so exceptional. | ||
| Canelo has everything. | ||
| He's got power and he's got ridiculous defense. | ||
| Oh my God. | ||
| It's beautiful to watch. | ||
| Everything he does. | ||
| Everything he does. | ||
| For a minute he's pimping. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Then he fucking go Mike Tyson on you. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And then he bend at Holy fuck. | ||
| That's fucking beauty to watch. | ||
| That Danny Jacobs fight where he was like slipping all those punches standing right in front of him. | ||
| It's just, it's gorgeous. | ||
| That probably was the best to watch. | ||
| The best defensive movement, head movement I think I've ever seen from a middleweight. | ||
| That punchy crack homeboy's eye. | ||
| Holy shit. | ||
| I thought his eye was coming out of the fucking eye. | ||
| It was ruthless. | ||
| His whole face, have you seen what it looked like? | ||
| His whole face was completely shattered. | ||
| He's a fucking cyborg now, all fucking better. | ||
| Yeah, all metal and screwed into place and to keep his head together. | ||
| The one with Colette Plant, it was like, holy shit. | ||
| Bro, he's a killer. | ||
| He's a straight-up killer. | ||
| The crazy thing is now he wants to go to Cruiserweight, and Usyk said he wants to fight him at Cruiserweight. | ||
| I don't know if he wants to take that fight. | ||
| I feel at this point, taking that fight will only make you better. | ||
| Let's see he lose there. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He got nothing to lose. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But think about the reward. | ||
| If you put risk against reward, taking that risk. | ||
| If he can beat Usyk, Jesus Christ. | ||
| He's the greatest of all time if he beats Usyk. | ||
| That's what I'm saying. | ||
| If he loses a fight, he's like, I try, fuck you. | ||
| If he goes and wins, good lord. | ||
| Usyk is phenomenal. | ||
| He's so good. | ||
| He's real, too. | ||
| He's so good. | ||
| And he's big. | ||
| He's so good. | ||
| He's very big. | ||
| But that's the thing about Canelo. | ||
| He seems... | ||
| To keep having the hunger that he had before sleeping on a nice bed. | ||
| So that's what keep him alive. | ||
| Well, not just that, but also he's like looking at it very calculated. | ||
| Like he wants these challenges to take these chances. | ||
| Caleb Plant was the biggest challenge in his legitimate weight class. | ||
| He had 168 pounds. | ||
| And then he decided... | ||
| Well, he also has Arthur Beterbev. | ||
| That guy's a motherfucker. | ||
| I don't know that one. | ||
| You don't know who he is? | ||
| Not that one. | ||
| Holy shit. | ||
| Pull up Arthur Bitterbeev's highlights. | ||
| He's this Russian assassin. | ||
| He's fucking terrifying. | ||
| He's the light heavyweight champion. | ||
| Just by being a Russian, you're already tough. | ||
| This guy is a motherfucker. | ||
| He's one of the most murderous punchers ever in the history of the light heavyweight division. | ||
| He's 100% knockouts. | ||
| All of his fights are knockouts. | ||
| That's scary. | ||
| This motherfucker is terrifying. | ||
| I mean, he puts people in wars. | ||
| See if you feel like a highlight because I want to see him in real time. | ||
| Is this a highlight video? | ||
| Like the guys I watch for myself? | ||
| Watch this motherfucker. | ||
| He hits guys with seemingly normal punches and just murders them. | ||
| And he takes it to everybody. | ||
| Every fight's a fucking war. | ||
| And he's been dropped. | ||
| He's been dropped in fights because he forces guys to fight these chaotic wars with him. | ||
| But he eventually crushes everybody. | ||
| He's a real dog. | ||
| I'm pretty sure his win ratio is 100% by KO. See if you can Google that. | ||
| Because I don't think anybody's made it to the final bell with him. | ||
| He seems like he's very aggressive. | ||
| Oh my god, he's super aggressive. | ||
| He's super aggressive, super conditioned, but he's 36 or 37 now. | ||
| And you know... | ||
| It's about to start leaving him. | ||
| Yeah, it's going to eventually go away. | ||
| See if you find his Wikipedia. | ||
| Because I'm pretty sure... | ||
| The guys that I watch for myself, that I want to mimic, is Eric Morales and Roberto Duran. | ||
| Those are the two guys. | ||
| Duran in the lightweight days. | ||
| That's the real prime. | ||
| That's the real prime. | ||
| Yeah, people think of him as a welterweight, but Duran in the lightweight days, so he's 100% undefeated, and I'm pretty sure they're all knockouts. | ||
| Yeah, they all are. | ||
| They're all knockouts, which is fucking wild. | ||
| What is RTD? Referee technical... | ||
| What does that mean? | ||
| It says corner retirement. | ||
| Oh, corner... | ||
| So the guy quit. | ||
| Yeah, so it's the same. | ||
| It's the same thing. | ||
| It's a KO. Yeah, all knockouts. | ||
| And the motherfucker just puts it on people, man. | ||
| And they're talking about him fighting Canelo, too. | ||
| But it's, again, it's one of those things. | ||
| If he's going to fight Canelo, I want to see him fight Canelo now. | ||
| Now. | ||
| Not in five years. | ||
| Not in 41. Right. | ||
| I'll show you in that one. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| If he fights him now, it's a very interesting fight. | ||
| Because he's all KO. He's all KO and he's so fucking aggressive, man. | ||
| Bitterbeev is terrifying. | ||
| For me, that's the only way to fight. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's what I like to do. | ||
| I don't like going for a walk. | ||
| I go straight at the point. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| And most guys, lately, they wrestle me. | ||
| That's why I'm focused on getting that part also shared, because... | ||
| Who are you working with with your wrestling? | ||
| Daryl Christians helped me with the Greco, and then this guy from Up North, EZ Silver, I've been working with him lately for the freestyle, because... | ||
| I use a lot of offenses, body lock. | ||
| That's how I like to take people down. | ||
| But most people will attack me with double legs or single legs. | ||
| And that's the part I'm working with this other guy from Fresno State. | ||
| Fresno State have great wrestling. | ||
| So is your regular camp, when you're in camp, how is your camp structured? | ||
| Are you doing strength and conditioning? | ||
| Everything. | ||
| How many days a week are you doing that? | ||
| Like, weights, conditioning. | ||
| I work with this guy named Corey Beasley. | ||
| I've been working with him since I moved to college, so six years. | ||
| He works on, you know, power, strength, you know, we use kettlebells, Bulgarian sandbags. | ||
| We squat a lot. | ||
| I'm a squat person. | ||
| I can squat all the time. | ||
| I believe that gets your testosterone higher. | ||
| I believe that brings explosion and everything. | ||
| Deadlifts as well. | ||
| Of course, those too. | ||
| Those two things really do. | ||
| Those are the kings. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| On real power. | ||
| And I personally, that's what I crave. | ||
| I tell him all the time, like, out of camp, let's lift heavy. | ||
| But of course, you got to listen to the coaches to get results. | ||
| So he planned me out. | ||
| We worked twice a week with him. | ||
| And then on top of that, I do all my running. | ||
| I find time to do that. | ||
| It's either four in the morning or late at night. | ||
| So you run all through camp? | ||
| I run year round. | ||
| Year round? | ||
| I run in five weeks. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Oh yeah. | ||
| No kidding. | ||
| Because I think about things. | ||
| I let my brain flow. | ||
| Things I want to say, things I want. | ||
| Like a meditation. | ||
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Exactly. | |
| But then I work every morning with Perillo, Monday through Friday in the morning. | ||
| And then every Sunday I figured out my scale, where to put jiu-jitsu, where to put wrestling. | ||
| And I make like a map of every single day, take a picture, send it to Parillo. | ||
| So I'm like, hey coach, what days do you want me to spar and what days do you want me to go hard? | ||
| To put in a different day, hard wrestling or hard grappling. | ||
| Because for Jiu Jitsu, I go with the Mendes bros. | ||
| Oh, great. | ||
| Those fucking guys are wizards. | ||
| Killers, man. | ||
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Killers. | |
| And lately, Hafa has been coming to help me. | ||
| Yeah? | ||
| Because Gi is like who corners me and, you know, teach me. | ||
| But Hafa has been making like a comeback to the gym. | ||
| And we were doing Nogi, just me and him, for one hour. | ||
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Wow. | |
| Good luck trying to score an opponent to that fucking guy. | ||
| Sometimes he's like, he asked me, you want to keep going? | ||
| I'm like, you know, I'm a fighter. | ||
| I keep going. | ||
| I try as hard as I can. | ||
| But then I'm like, let's just drill. | ||
| Like, teach me from here, from there. | ||
| And that's a guy that won ADCC without any no-gi experience. | ||
| All he won was in the gi. | ||
| And he went overnight to ADCC and won that. | ||
| So that's impressive. | ||
| His technique is so pristine. | ||
| So perfect. | ||
| His wrestling. | ||
| Sometimes I shoot and I'm deep on a double leg and I'm going like a mad dog trying to take him down. | ||
| And he just go to my back and choke me. | ||
| I don't know how he do it. | ||
| He do some crazy shit like that. | ||
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Sometimes I feel like, oh, finally, I'm going to get lucky today. | |
| And he just figured it out. | ||
| And he always told me like, hey, don't you focus about, you never defend. | ||
| Somebody's attacking you, you attack them. | ||
| So the mindset that he has is like, always attack. | ||
| Your defense is your attack. | ||
| So every time I'm rolling with him and I'm attacking something, He's already doing something else. | ||
| And then we stop. | ||
| He's playing me some things. | ||
| We go again live. | ||
| He's playing me some things. | ||
| It's like, holy shit. | ||
| They both kick my ass so hard. | ||
| It's so interesting when you're working with total specialists, right? | ||
| Like whether it's with boxing or jujitsu. | ||
| Like someone who's a specialist. | ||
| And you realize how many layers there are. | ||
| And how many levels there are. | ||
| Sometimes I bring MMA gloves, like the puffy ones. | ||
| And I'm trying to crack their head. | ||
| They still, you know, because they told me, like, Hamon Lemons used to coach Anderson Silva. | ||
| That's the guy who kind of, like, made them. | ||
| That's his uncle. | ||
| Anderson Silva was taken down by Cormier, and he didn't eat a punch. | ||
| So that's how good... | ||
| Like, he wasn't... | ||
| Remember when he triangled Chael Sonnen on the fight he was losing? | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| He would lose four rounds in four minutes. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And then, boop! | ||
| Caught that triangle at the end of the fight. | ||
| The things like... | ||
| Anderson was so good in the stand-up that his jiu-jitsu was overrated. | ||
| Underrated. | ||
| Underrated, sorry. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Nobody knew how good he was, but I'm a fucking nerd. | ||
| Even when I was in Ecuador, I knew Jamon Lemons was, like, the guy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So I told myself, if I move to Cali one day, I want to train with the Mendez brothers. | ||
| Nice. | ||
| And I've been with them for a couple years now, and they're fucking good. | ||
| Is everything in the general area near you? | ||
| My house is a mile away from Ruka. | ||
| Oh, nice. | ||
| The headquarters where I talk with Parillo, and the Mendez Bros are literally a mile away from Ruka. | ||
| Oh, beautiful. | ||
| So I bike sometimes to... | ||
| I have electric bikes, and I just go near them. | ||
| Oh, that's nice. | ||
| And then that's what I plan. | ||
| I do three or four grappling classes a week. | ||
| I train every morning with Perillo. | ||
| And the opposite day of sparring, I just wrestle my ass off. | ||
| I bring a couple of high school kids that fucking kick my ass so I can get used to that scrambling pressure. | ||
| And, you know, we just go. | ||
| And then, you know, conditioning twice a week. | ||
| But I don't have anything else outside this. | ||
| There's no... | ||
| There's no social life. | ||
| I'm training. | ||
| I set myself I want to be a world champion. | ||
| This is it. | ||
| How old are you now? | ||
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29. Just turned 29. So you're right about in your athletic prime right now. | |
| Yeah, so this is the time. | ||
| I got to take advantage of these years because this year will be gone soon. | ||
| So now is when I keep... | ||
| It's gym, family. | ||
| Going back to the gym. | ||
| Sleep, going back to the gym. | ||
| So there's nothing. | ||
| And it's Monday through Monday. | ||
| I don't believe in breaks or stuff like that. | ||
| If you're doing it right, if you're not drinking, if you're not fucking around, you can pull it off. | ||
| And I feel right now my next fight is the one that will take me to the belt. | ||
| What is your next fight? | ||
| I think they will give me many bang next. | ||
| And I believe- They'll give you who? | ||
| Like a many bang next. | ||
| Many bang? | ||
| Like a many bang, like a five rounder. | ||
| Oh, main event. | ||
| There you go. | ||
| Thank you, sir. | ||
| I thought you were saying someone's name. | ||
| I'm like, who is this? | ||
| Yeah, it's a Russian guy. | ||
| Matty Bang? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Manny Pacquiao. | ||
| Yeah, main event. | ||
| Seems like we're going that route, most likely in February. | ||
| And the good thing about it is since the Frankie fight, there was no time off vacation. | ||
| I went straight back to the gym. | ||
| And today, right now, if I have to fight next week, I can make weight and I can fight. | ||
| When you think about the beginning of your career and then you think about beating Frankie Edgar, In MSG. MSG makes everything twice harder and better and cooler. | ||
| But it must have been almost surreal, right? | ||
| It was surreal. | ||
| That whole fight week, I was feeling weird. | ||
| I was so happy. | ||
| I was so excited about the moment that for a minute I thought I'm going to lose this fight. | ||
| I feel too loose. | ||
| I feel too good. | ||
| I feel like everything is perfect. | ||
| I was happy. | ||
| I was like, wait a minute. | ||
| Normally you want to be a little anxious, nervous, but I think it was New York energy that put me there. | ||
| I was just waking up every day. | ||
| Good. | ||
| I was ready to fight. | ||
| Then I went in the next Saturday night, waiting the whole day because I was in the fight before the common event, so I fought late night. | ||
| So the whole day, just sitting down in my room, I was like, holy shit, I'm about to fight in MSG. Like, there's nothing bigger than that. | ||
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No. | |
| There's no second arena. | ||
| No. | ||
| It's MSG and the rest. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And for me, just knowing all the Ali, all the big fights that happened there, all the big concerts that happened there, I'm like, I'm a fucking guy from Ecuador about to blow the fucking roof. | ||
| I was like, now is when? | ||
| I told myself, and I'm pretty hard on me. | ||
| If you don't win this fight, be ready just to be the guy that is around. | ||
| I told myself like that. | ||
| You lose this fight. | ||
| You're fucked. | ||
| There's no second chances. | ||
| There's not another MSG card for you. | ||
| You lose this fight. | ||
| You lose your ticket to the belt. | ||
| What do you rank now? | ||
| Eight. | ||
| Eight. | ||
| And so who's above... | ||
| Let me see. | ||
| Can you pull up the bantamweight... | ||
| Record though the rankings so yeah, so look at you got ahead of you Dominic who just won Dominic look good. | ||
| It look good. | ||
| Yeah, look good. | ||
| It looks like Dominic of old My fight with Aldo last December mm-hmm that was close very close that was close and if you see how Aldo kicks fund us It's like, tells me, put me in a good spot because it's like, with me, it was a fight that I definitely lose the fight on getting my back taken, but I wasn't getting... | ||
| Fucked up. | ||
| And I felt that I was trying so hard to escape. | ||
| You know, if I stand up and throw him in the ground, I'm punching, even if he's from behind, I'm trying to do more. | ||
| And that's one fight I've been asking for, do it again, but I think they will match him with TJ. Peter will fight Aljamain. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| And it's only four, five, and six available. | ||
| Yeah, and then Corey has, he's got to fight somebody else again. | ||
| Murab looked great in his last fight too. | ||
| Against Marlon Murab. | ||
| Holy shit, that was crazy, right? | ||
| Marlon almost had him out. | ||
| Marlon emptied the gas tank. | ||
| He have one gas tank. | ||
| He emptied that one. | ||
| I think he cuts too much weight. | ||
| He's a 45er. | ||
| He's so big. | ||
| He's 5'1", but he's built like a gridlock. | ||
| He's a tank. | ||
| He looks like a pit bull. | ||
| He should go to 45, and I'm sure he will have a good career there. | ||
| What does he weigh when he walks around, do you think? | ||
| I don't know, but that fucker is twice as me. | ||
| He looks like 160, 170. He's huge. | ||
| Yeah, it doesn't make any sense. | ||
| And the thing with him is like, he can fucking punch. | ||
| He have a break. | ||
| He can fucking kick too, man. | ||
| He can everything. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But he can only do it once. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| If he don't stop you like he did with Starling or Jimmy Rivera. | ||
| Or Cejudo. | ||
| Same thing. | ||
| Yeah, but Cejudo did that to him. | ||
| Right, but in the same first round, he couldn't stop him. | ||
| He looked like a fucking murderer. | ||
| And then the second round, he just faded. | ||
| And part I give that to Cejudo, because Cejudo's an animal. | ||
| He has a champion mentality. | ||
| Yeah, he's an animal. | ||
| Cejudo is... | ||
| You cannot make that man quit. | ||
| No. | ||
| There's no quitting in him. | ||
| Zero. | ||
| You have to kill him. | ||
| And he is a fucking... | ||
| He's just so savage as a competitor, but... | ||
| In the beginning, I thought, who the fuck? | ||
| I'm like, Marlon Marais is a straight-up killer. | ||
| And I will keep bringing this over and over. | ||
| It's a mindset. | ||
| You're just getting your ass kicked, but if you stay on the fight, if that fucking belt haven't ringed, you're still having a chance. | ||
| When he knocked out Jimmy Rivera with that switch kick to the head, and then the same shit to Aljamain. | ||
| When Aljamain went to sleep like that, and now Aljo's the champion... | ||
| Marlon can do that to anybody. | ||
| He's got to make an adjustment. | ||
| People figure it out. | ||
| He has one sprint. | ||
| Right, but why? | ||
| Why does he stay so muscular? | ||
| If he just lost a little bit of weight, don't you think he would be able to maintain that better? | ||
| Some people just build like that. | ||
| That's what I say. | ||
| I've been saying this for years. | ||
| Go to 45, bro. | ||
| You should go to 45. You're acting like a weak man. | ||
| You're coming down to be the bigger man. | ||
| Even if he's tiny, he's huge. | ||
| When things don't go his way, though, it usually ends. | ||
| He quit. | ||
| He gets beat up. | ||
| Like, Rob Font fucked him up. | ||
| That was a big one. | ||
| But the Marab fight was crazy. | ||
| I was there. | ||
| I thought for sure he had Marab out in that first round. | ||
| It looked close to being stopped. | ||
| I was there. | ||
| It was really close to being stopped. | ||
| But I also... | ||
| I was with a friend. | ||
| I was like, look. | ||
| If Marab get a hold of his leg and just hug him, he quit in the next round. | ||
| Marab. | ||
| You want to talk about immigrant mentality. | ||
| That motherfucker's got it, too. | ||
| He's got it. | ||
| I'm going to tell you one thing. | ||
| Guys like that, guys like Peter Jan... | ||
| I wake up every day thinking I'm going to fight one of those three guys next. | ||
| Well, that's a good way to think because they're in your wheelhouse. | ||
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They are. | |
| That could be your next big fight. | ||
| One of those guys could be your next big fight. | ||
| I think St. Hagen is going to be next. | ||
| You think so? | ||
| I really believe so. | ||
| And if it's any other guy, I'll be taking it. | ||
| And do you believe that's going to be February? | ||
| So that'll be the Houston card? | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| Oh, Houston. | ||
| Yeah, that's Houston. | ||
| I think that's a pay-per-view. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| That's a... | ||
| I think my favorite would be in Vegas. | ||
| Oh, you think so? | ||
| I believe so. | ||
| Oh, so that'll be probably March? | ||
| I heard February. | ||
| There's a February UFC card? | ||
| Yeah, in Vegas. | ||
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In Vegas? | |
| Oh, so there's going to be two pay-per-views in that month? | ||
| I believe it's a fight night. | ||
| Oh, a fight night. | ||
| I'm just speaking of my thoughts. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I haven't got anything concluded. | ||
| I just say, send me a contract. | ||
| I'll be ready. | ||
| Send me location. | ||
| Location with a five-rounder and I'll be ready. | ||
| Yeah, that was one of my favorite fucking quotes ever from Khabib. | ||
| Send me location. | ||
| Send me location. | ||
| Send location. | ||
| I feel if you take this as a lifestyle, like this is our job. | ||
| When fighters are like, after, at the end of each camp, they want vacation. | ||
| I'm like, a fucking surgeon, when it's open, your grandma's heart, he's not going to vacation after each surgery. | ||
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Right. | |
| He works every day. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Sometimes I see fighters, they just don't work. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| But it's, you work, you pay for, as I said, you get what you put it on for. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And if you're not putting everything on, you won't get what you want. | ||
| No, you won't. | ||
| You won't. | ||
| So, that's why, like, myself, I'm on it the whole time. | ||
| Because there's not many years we have in this game. | ||
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No. | |
| And time goes fast. | ||
| Do you know how old you think you want to be when you retire? | ||
| Have you thought about that? | ||
| Sometimes. | ||
| I think 36. I want to have a good life. | ||
| I want to serve the rest of my life. | ||
| I want to run. | ||
| I want to be fit. | ||
| But I want to set my kids. | ||
| I want to set myself. | ||
| I want to get the belt first. | ||
| I feel if I get the belt, I can do anything I want. | ||
| Because that will bring all the opportunities. | ||
| If you don't make it that far... | ||
| You just made it halfway. | ||
| And then how you get things, you know what I'm saying? | ||
| Right. | ||
| I feel like if you get the belt, if you do all that for the belt, from then you can defend it, and there's a lot that comes with that. | ||
| So, first things first. | ||
| I think in my life I had my daughter say this first. | ||
| I did that. | ||
| Get a home in California, I did that. | ||
| The belt is left. | ||
| Well, my brother, I'm looking forward to watching you fight again. | ||
| I'm a big fan. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| And it's cool as fuck to have you here to talk to. | ||
| Your story's amazing. | ||
| I love stories like that. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| I love people that just get after it and hustle and put in the work. | ||
| And that's you, my friend. | ||
| And you put the word out, you know, telling newspapers and now you're here. | ||
| So it's things that you can relate to and you can use them to push you forward. | ||
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Yes. | |
| So I appreciate you too. | ||
| Alright, my man, Marlon. | ||
| Thank you, ladies and gentlemen. | ||
| Tune in to this motherfucker, because he's a bad man! | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| Thank you, everybody. |
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