April 26, 2011 - The Joe Rogan Experience
02:56:47
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Okay, we're rolling. | |
| Kevin, what's up? | ||
| What's up, Jeff? | ||
| Is that your phone? | ||
| Yep, I'm not sure. | ||
| Travis Luter. | ||
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Sorry. | |
| So, first of all, welcome. | ||
| Thanks for doing this. | ||
| Appreciate it. | ||
| No, thank you. | ||
| And it's good to see you again, man. | ||
| I haven't seen you in forever. | ||
| Yeah, man. | ||
| It's been a few years. | ||
| Try to keep this like a fist from your face. | ||
| Fist from my face. | ||
| We were talking right before about injuries. | ||
| You know, it's like I always like to talk to guys who have been doing jiu-jitsu a long time because they always have this laundry list of injuries. | ||
| And you were talking about neck fusions and disc issues and, you know. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, you know, I'm just like everybody else. | ||
| You know, everybody gets injured. | ||
| We all get old. | ||
| It just takes time. | ||
| But, you know, my opinion is if I'm going to teach jiu-jitsu, I have to stay doing the art. | ||
| I think that when people just teach and they don't train, you know, it's like it's a perishable thing. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| You know, it's like your skills are perishable. | ||
| And then it's also your thoughts. | ||
| It's like, yeah, you know, it's like, oh, well, if we just, that's when you start seeing bullshit jujitsu. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And so it's like, if I'm going to teach, I have to train. | ||
| And it's like, you know, I love training. | ||
| I'd much prefer to, you know, I wish I could still fight, but I can't. | ||
| So it's like, I, but I do train and it's like, and you know, I have to. | ||
| Did you notice a difference in improvement of your skills when you start teaching? | ||
| Yeah, for sure. | ||
| I think that teaching definitely helps you improve because the way that I think about it is that when you're teaching, you have to think about how he's looking at a problem. | ||
| So you show him a move and then you come back and he comes back with a question and it might be in a way that you've never thought about it before. | ||
| So then you've got to break down how to answer that question for them so that it makes sense on their level, on their wavelength. | ||
| So it's like that helps me. | ||
| Because now I understand the position even essentially better. | ||
| Yeah, I could do the position before, but now it's like I've answered so many different questions over the years that it really, really improves your jiu-jitsu. | ||
| Kevin, when you started training, did you start right away with Travis or did you start somewhere else? | ||
| Like jiu-jitsu? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, I never did jiu-jitsu with anybody else but Travis. | ||
| Did you do martial arts before? | ||
| Yeah, I was a kung fu black belt when I got there. | ||
| Oh, that's right, because you call yourself a kung fu fighter when you enter into the octagon. | ||
| Everybody's kung fu fighting. | ||
| What kind of kung fu was it? | ||
| So it was actually a mix. | ||
| It was a mix between Hawaiian Kenpo, no, my bad, American Kenpo, and Kung Fu Sun Tzu. | ||
| So Kung Fu Sun Tzu was originated in the States from Jimmy H. Wu bringing it over, and then Kenpo just has a thousand different stories, so couldn't really keep up with that. | ||
| So I was always more fascinated with the Kung Fu, Sun Tzu aspect of it. | ||
| So I actually went to Bill Lasseter's studio out in Rancho Cucamonga, California and took a couple classes there. | ||
| So I was just mainly focused on the Kung Fu aspect of it. | ||
| Sun Tzu was always funner than the I'm trying to remember what Sun Tzu is. | ||
| What's the fundamental difference between Sun Tzu and other kinds of Kung Fu? | ||
| Probably the other differences, I probably couldn't tell you, but I guess you could say it's more common. | ||
| It's more brutal. | ||
| We're not doing a bunch of pretty things. | ||
| Tai Chi type things. | ||
| Yeah, nothing wrong with Tai Chi, but we're not doing a bunch of breathing techniques and stuff like that. | ||
| It's more so like bash you over the head with this stick, bash you over the head with my fist. | ||
| It's a mean kung fu style. | ||
| It worked well for me, especially in high school. | ||
| It was my type of thing. | ||
| Yeah, you don't see a lot of... | ||
| There's a lot of kung fu techniques that I think probably would work in the octagon. | ||
| Like, here's one that you see now that you didn't used to see before people thought was kind of bullshit, is that oblique kick. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, the oblique kick is super legit, especially to the legs, but... | ||
| Do you ever see Lorenz Larkin use it? | ||
| He did it to me. | ||
| Dude! | ||
| Yeah, he sends it to the leg, and then he'll send it to, like, the chest area. | ||
| To the body, yeah. | ||
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And it's... | |
| It's like it throws you back. | ||
| It's really vicious. | ||
| He did it to Neil Magny, and I was like, God damn, that's like a fucking sidekick, like the way he throws it. | ||
| And he throws it pretty quick, too. | ||
| It's kind of hard to see it coming, too, because it's not really telegraphed. | ||
| You don't know if he's doing push kick. | ||
| You don't know if he's going to question work. | ||
| It's a sexy kick. | ||
| It's legit. | ||
| And it wasn't around for a long time. | ||
| I want to say that Winklejohn's influence with Jon Jones, those guys were one of the first guys to start throwing that kick hard to the legs. | ||
| Yeah, Jon was stepping on the legs and keeping good distance with it. | ||
| I've never really seen Jon throw it to the body. | ||
| Lorenzo's really the only person I've ever really seen throw it to the body like that. | ||
| And I guess you could say It's kind of an oblique kick in Muay Thai sometimes where they kind of try and fake the roundhouse and come with a push kick instead. | ||
| But, you know, oblique kick straight up to the body. | ||
| I mean, Lorenz Larkison, but... | ||
| Got it started, for sure, for sure. | ||
| Yeah, I never even practiced it until I saw him do it to the body. | ||
| And then I went and did it on the bag. | ||
| Because I was like, oh, shit. | ||
| You can get a lot of pop out of that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, I never thought anybody would be throwing it to... | ||
| There it is. | ||
| That's how he does it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He's done that same thing to me. | ||
| It sucks. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Yeah, he's a super underrated guy. | ||
| Yeah, he's tough. | ||
| Yeah, it's interesting now. | ||
| He's over at Bellator, and there's a lot of real talent at Bellator now. | ||
| It's getting close. | ||
| I always wondered, when's it going to be where Bellator is essentially equal to the UFC? How long is it going to take? | ||
| Never. | ||
| It's not... | ||
| I agree. | ||
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I don't think it will happen. | |
| You say that. | ||
| What if Bellator just backs out, beep, beep, beep, that big Briggs truck. | ||
| And like, Kevin, look what we got here. | ||
| Never. | ||
| Stacks and stacks of gold. | ||
| Nah. | ||
| Never? | ||
| Nah. | ||
| No? | ||
| Nah. | ||
| Back in the day, I used to want to go to Bellator, because they didn't have USADA. And so I was like, I could smoke weed there. | ||
| But now you can smoke weed at the UFC. Yeah, so UFC is way better. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, I think it's undeniable that the talent level in the UFC is higher. | ||
| But I think it's also undeniable that there's guys like Douglas Lima, like Patricio Pitbull. | ||
| There's super high-level guys. | ||
| Mousasi. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| There's Vadim. | ||
| There's, like, real legit world-class fighters over there right now. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, I agree. | ||
| I mean, you know... | ||
| Yeah, you know, the person that gives them the biggest argument, I guess I'd say Michael Chandler, coming over and doing what he did, you know? | ||
| I mean, that's a great example, right? | ||
| Yeah, you know, very, very good example. | ||
| But you're not. | ||
| There's great basketball players out there that never make it to the NBA. There's people on the streets that can do fantastic things that never make it to the greatest spot ever. | ||
| The UFC is the greatest spot ever for a reason. | ||
| You're probably going to perform differently than you would in Bellator than you would in the UFC. My Bellator debut versus my UFC debut, I finished that guy first round, triangle choke, rolling around like it wasn't nothing, doing things that I could have did You know, to any local level guy. | ||
| But I couldn't do that in the UFC. I guess you could say, like you said, higher level competition all the way around. | ||
| So I just don't feel like Bellator adds up. | ||
| Well, I don't think it's as deep. | ||
| No, not as deep. | ||
| You got like a couple super legit guys. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Whereas like, look at the UFC's 155 pound division. | ||
| Like, Jesus Christ, it's a shark tank. | ||
| It is. | ||
| Filled with savages. | ||
| It is. | ||
| Pride had the best chance. | ||
| There was a time where the talent level, I think, in Pride was actually better than what was in the UFC at the same time, the mid-2000s, right before they collapsed. | ||
| But the UFC being first gives them definitely a heads-up. | ||
| It's kind of like the difference between Coca-Cola and Pepsi. | ||
| You know, it's like Pepsi's always, you know, trying to play catch-up, you know, it's like, and I feel like that's kind of what everybody's doing with the UFC. UFC has, you know, probably a better game plan, a business plan than some of these other organizations, and then they got a huge bankroll too, you know. | ||
| Yeah, it also has the name, right? | ||
| Right, it's the UFC. It's like if someone comes along with the XFL, like, okay, but you want to play in the NFL, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| We want to be the UFC champion. | ||
| Plus, I wonder what the highest, the best person in Bellator, as far as fan-wise and everything like that. | ||
| How many followers do they have versus the hottest guy in the UFC? Well, let's think about it. | ||
| Who do you think is the most popular guy in Bellator? | ||
| We could find that out right now. | ||
| Well, I would guess it's the... | ||
| What's his name? | ||
| No, I think it's... | ||
| Venom Page is pretty... | ||
| But Lehman knocked him out. | ||
| What's his name who's the heavyweight? | ||
| And the... | ||
| Ryan Bader? | ||
| Yeah, Ryan Bader's probably up there, isn't he? | ||
| X UFC guy. | ||
| He's out of there. | ||
| He doesn't even count. | ||
| He just got KO'd. | ||
| Yeah, he got his cross UFC though. | ||
| I knew that. | ||
| I knew that. | ||
| But that was at light heavyweight. | ||
| He's still the heavyweight champion. | ||
| Yeah, he's still the heavyweight champion. | ||
| Yeah, but I mean, if the light heavyweight knocked him out, he probably can knock him out at heavyweight, too. | ||
| That dude's a beast, that rushing dude. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| He's a fucking beast. | ||
| Yeah, and batters, you know, how many fights has he had? | ||
| He's been around for a long time. | ||
| He's been around a long time. | ||
| A long time. | ||
| Yeah, a long time. | ||
| Time's a bitch. | ||
| It gets everybody. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| There's no way around it. | ||
| You know, one thing I was going to say, John Jack Machado doesn't have any injuries. | ||
| No, John looks good. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| I asked him. | ||
| He had like a little problem with his knee. | ||
| I got a little meniscus tear. | ||
| But he got some cortisone shot in it and it's fine. | ||
| No back problems, no nothing. | ||
| The difference with him is that there's somebody that trained all the time. | ||
| And he's always in really, really good shape. | ||
| It's like back when he was winning Abu Dhabi and stuff like that, I remember talking to him. | ||
| It's like he's going in there and he's just trying to kill his cardio, killing his cardio, killing his cardio. | ||
| It's like he submitted his way through ADCC in 1999. And then in 2000, he lost in the finals to Henzo on decision. | ||
| And then he lost to Matt Serra. | ||
| But that was a weird one. | ||
| That was a weird one. | ||
| So that was the first match of the tournament. | ||
| And Matt went out there and pulled guard on him, right? | ||
| Like jump guard. | ||
| And then they fought like 90, so in the first five minutes back then, and I don't know what the rules are in ADCC now, is that you could pull guard. | ||
| Right, you didn't lose any points. | ||
| Yeah, you didn't lose any points that year. | ||
| But then after the five minutes, if you pulled guard, so they ended up on their feet with like 20 seconds left, and Janjak pulled guard. | ||
| And that's how Matt won. | ||
| It's like it was a 0-0 match until John Jack pulled guard with that 20 seconds left and he didn't have time to do anything else for that. | ||
| Yeah, there's a lot of wacky rules. | ||
| They're crazy. | ||
| I don't love the ADCC rules. | ||
| No, I don't either. | ||
| It makes it really, really boring to watch. | ||
| I think what's really interesting with what's going on with like a lot of these guys that are trying like the Gordon Ryan Situation where he's trying to have these no time limit matches with people like submission only, right? | ||
| It's boring until he catches them because his idea is like listen all I'm trying to do is submit you You're just trying to beat me on points So let's just have a no time limit thing and just see who can submit who and I'm betting I can submit you It's just gonna take more time. | ||
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I would do that Kevin, be a beast at it. | |
| I'd do that. | ||
| Kevin's a pain in the ass. | ||
| I mean, it seems like that's what jiu-jitsu really is, right? | ||
| Jiu-jitsu's not who can submit each other over five minutes or who can get on top or who can get side control. | ||
| Those are great ways of finding who's got positional advantages and who won these scrambles and exchanges. | ||
| That's great. | ||
| But ultimately, jiu-jitsu's about submission. | ||
| The problem with it is in a tournament format and stuff like that. | ||
| Yeah, you can't do it. | ||
| Yeah, it just takes too much time. | ||
| It's like, you know, the Gracies did the Machados versus Gracies back in the 99, 2000, something like that. | ||
| So it's like all the Machados, you know, it's like I flew from Texas to California and we competed at the Gracie Academy. | ||
| And, you know, and that was fun. | ||
| But the problem was you had some matches that were over an hour long. | ||
| And then the ultimate submission showdown. | ||
| It's like the ultimate submission showdown that Horian put on. | ||
| And had his two sons on opposite sides of the bracket so they could meet in the finals and stuff like that. | ||
| And Haran Gracie went against Jeff Munson. | ||
| And it was like an hour and 15 match. | ||
| And then Haran ended up winning on points. | ||
| And then he fought me in the next round. | ||
| And then David Avalon beat the other son on the other side. | ||
| The problem with those tournaments is that he had it set up so that the first person, I think, to 12 points won. | ||
| And it's like the match would end with it. | ||
| And it was weird because it was like a takedown was worth one, passing the guard was worth one, mount was worth four, and taking the back was worth four. | ||
| And that was the only points. | ||
| There was no reversal points. | ||
| There was no anything like that. | ||
| But if you held guard for three minutes, I think, for three minutes, then they would give you a point and then reverse the position. | ||
| And so Jeff Monson versus Haran Gracie, since there was a weight difference, they gave Haran two points to start with, and then they just held guard for three minutes. | ||
| That's all they'd do. | ||
| And then they'd switch. | ||
| And then Jeff would start in his guard, and he'd sit up, single-leg him, and he'd get his point. | ||
| And this went over and over and over and over. | ||
| And so it's like he ended up winning by two points. | ||
| It was 10 to 12. First person to 12, and he won. | ||
| So it's like... | ||
| But it made it not as fun to watch. | ||
| I think what's going on right now with these streaming matches on the internet is kind of the way to go. | ||
| With guys like the Donaher Death Squad type dudes, just do no time limit. | ||
| Because if it's streaming, same thing as anything you want to do on YouTube or a podcast or whatever, you don't have a specific time that you have to do it in. | ||
| Yeah, that's true. | ||
| You could definitely do that. | ||
| I personally like IBJJF rules. | ||
| They're not perfect, but I prefer those over a lot of the different rule systems that are out there. | ||
| I liked what the Horian set up for the Ultimate Submission Showdown. | ||
| I thought that that was a good set of rules for me. | ||
| I liked it. | ||
| How do you feel about the EBI rules? | ||
| I don't love the EBI rules. | ||
| It's like, I think Eddie got high as hell. | ||
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Whoa. | |
| He got high as hell. | ||
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Whoa, whoa, whoa. | |
| And decided, hey, I got a great idea. | ||
| What we'll do is if this happens, then we're going to do this. | ||
| And it's like, they're okay. | ||
| I like it. | ||
| It worked out for me. | ||
| That's because for his style, it's perfect. | ||
| It's like him and ABI, it's really, really hard to beat Kevin. | ||
| Because it's like, you're not going to score on him. | ||
| It's going to go over time. | ||
| And you can stand out of bounds. | ||
| I love that. | ||
| Kevin likes it a lot. | ||
| For me, not so much. | ||
| It's just interesting to see situations where maybe the person in a regular match never would get to your back, but now they're starting on your back with the hands locked and the seatbelt. | ||
| For Kevin, that's great. | ||
| For older folk, probably not as good. | ||
| For me, I don't know. | ||
| Stay away from my back. | ||
| I don't want you back there. | ||
| Kevin, how long have you been training with Travis? | ||
| 11 years. | ||
| It's been a while. | ||
| It's been a long time. | ||
| And when did you decide you wanted to fight MMA? I wanted to do kickboxing when I got there. | ||
| I was really a big fan of Kevin Ross. | ||
| And then I got there and Travis was like, as difficult as striking is, jujitsu is more complex. | ||
| And then he went like this. | ||
| And I was like, alright, bet. | ||
| I was like, I'm going to give it a shot. | ||
| And then I cried the first day after practice. | ||
| Did you? | ||
| Yeah, I swear I did. | ||
| I went home and I cried. | ||
| I didn't even make it home. | ||
| I got in the car and I cried. | ||
| My mom was like, what's wrong? | ||
| And I was like... | ||
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My black belt and these white belts are fucking me up. | |
| And so, then the next day, I was like, alright, cool. | ||
| I started fucking some white belts up, then there were some blue belts tapping me out, so I cried again. | ||
| How old were you at the time? | ||
| I was 18 years old, crying like a little girl. | ||
| 17. Yeah, I was 17. And then I was like, and then all of a sudden, you know, I started tapping people out, and I was like, Oh, this is shit. | ||
| I was like, I can do this. | ||
| You know, when Kevin came to the gym, you know, it's like, it's like jujitsu is a great equalizer. | ||
| It's like nobody is good when they first joined. | ||
| Kevin was the exception. | ||
| You know, it's like Kevin comes in, he's a huge pain in the ass the first day. | ||
| It's like he could throw his body and he'd do stuff and you do stuff to him once and then you couldn't do it to him again. | ||
| And this is, you know, it's like where everybody's come up to me going, hey, where'd he train before? | ||
| And I'm like, you know, he says he didn't. | ||
| You know, it's like, well, I don't believe him. | ||
| Everybody's like, nobody believed him. | ||
| And then it's like, over time, we figured out he was telling the truth. | ||
| It's like, yeah, he'd done a little bit in the Kung Fu, but nothing to really... | ||
| He's just really, really talented. | ||
| And it's just, you know, it's like... | ||
| There's not a lot of guys that you roll with that can do what Kevin can do. | ||
| This is a different human. | ||
| I've trained with Randy. | ||
| I've trained with GSP. I've trained with a whole bunch of different guys that are really, really good. | ||
| Kevin's different. | ||
| This is a different animal. | ||
| When I say that Kevin's... | ||
| Kevin's so much different, it's not fair. | ||
| It's like, you know, this is the most talented guy that I've ever trained with, by far. | ||
| Wow! | ||
| Or went against him. | ||
| How's that feel? | ||
| He's got to feel pretty good. | ||
| I'm like his son, so he just makes me feel good. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| It's like, I'm not making him feel good. | ||
| This is something that I firmly have believed. | ||
| And the whole thing is, is Kevin starting to believe it now. | ||
| You know, it's like he's starting to say, okay, maybe I'm a little bit different. | ||
| You know, because it's like, you know, what he can do is just totally different. | ||
| You know, it's like when we were at the Ultimate Fighter House and it's like we went outside and we were doing sprints. | ||
| You know, the whole team was doing sprints. | ||
| GSP is doing with him. | ||
| You know, he's mid-back. | ||
| You know, it's like Pete Spratt is freaking... | ||
| You know, it's like he'd give us a 10-yard head start and beat us by 10 yards in a 60-yard race. | ||
| It was just crazy. | ||
| It's like, I don't know how fast he was. | ||
| GSP's mid-pack. | ||
| You know, it's like he was fast, but nothing crazy. | ||
| This is somebody who, you know, in my opinion, you know, it's like you have to get into like the... | ||
| Music school, Gerard Music School in New York. | ||
| What's it called? | ||
| Juilliard. | ||
| Juilliard. | ||
| You know, they have a minimum level of requirements to get into it and minimum level of talent. | ||
| Do you have this much talent to get into here? | ||
| And then after that, then it's about who wants to train the hardest to become the, becomes first seat. | ||
| So it's like, You know, so it's like, you know, if you make the requirements, I would have never made the requirements to get into someplace like that. | ||
| But it's like, you can become the best, you know, just with practice time. | ||
| Because it's like, it's a direct relation to who's the best is based on how much time you're willing to put in there. | ||
| It's like, so like a GSP, I've never saw anybody train like him. | ||
| He would, he was, it was, it was crazy the way that he would train. | ||
| In what way? | ||
| What's that? | ||
| In what way? | ||
| We show up. | ||
| My team, we had the first workout. | ||
| The other team had the second workout. | ||
| But we get there and at least five days a week, GSP is already there. | ||
| He's just finishing his workout. | ||
| And then he's going to train with us. | ||
| And then he's going to train with the next team. | ||
| And then he had another workout scheduled for immediately after that. | ||
| You know, so it's like, you know, it's like this is inhuman that he, you know, it's like whatever we were going to do, GSB was going to do because we didn't really have coaches and stuff like that. | ||
| But he, you know, so he's doing, you know, so much workload, you know, it's like just crazy, crazy, crazy. | ||
| So it's like, you know, you know, he's arguably one of the most, you know, One of the best all time with GSP. The talent level though, nothing compared to Kevin. | ||
| It's different. | ||
| I rolled with him. | ||
| I rolled with Randy. | ||
| I rolled with all these guys. | ||
| I've done striking with them. | ||
| I like to work out though. | ||
| That's the crazy thing. | ||
| How often do you work out though? | ||
| I work out a lot more now than I used to. | ||
| When I first joined the gym, I didn't. | ||
| I'd go roll because rolling was fun. | ||
| If you said we had some sparring, I'd go spar because sparring was fun. | ||
| If we said we had wrestling, I wouldn't show up because wrestling sucks. | ||
| If the workout's hard, I don't want to do it. | ||
| If it's something that I can control, I'm completely down for it. | ||
| It's like strength and conditioning. | ||
| I love Suge because some days I can get away with some things. | ||
| I offer him some free food and he's like, all right, come on, we'll take off five minutes. | ||
| Let's go. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| But it's like, I hate hard workouts. | ||
| It's like all those hard workouts and people are like, yeah, I live for that. | ||
| I'm like, you're tripping, bro. | ||
| What are you smoking? | ||
| I'm smoking weed. | ||
| I want to chill. | ||
| That's funny because you seem to be having fun inside the octagon. | ||
| It's one of the interesting things about watching you fight. | ||
| You're having fun in there. | ||
| It's very obvious. | ||
| So, like, you're having fun and training as well. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And you're getting better while you're having fun. | ||
| And, of course, you're going to get a lot of cardio out of just training and training hard and doing all this fun stuff. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But you don't like to do the supplemental stuff. | ||
| No, I like to do the supplemental stuff. | ||
| So swimming works out because we have a heated pool. | ||
| And I love to swim. | ||
| So I'll go in the heated pool. | ||
| That's great cardio. | ||
| Yeah, I'll stay there all day. | ||
| You know, I don't have a problem with that. | ||
| But if the pool's not warm, I'm not going in there. | ||
| And if the workout's hard... | ||
| I might do it on Monday, but then Tuesday, Wednesday come around, I'm going to have an excuse of why I can't make it to the gym. | ||
| Do you wonder if you're going to reach your full potential with this mindset? | ||
| No, I don't really care. | ||
| You don't care? | ||
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No. | |
| That's not true. | ||
| That's not true. | ||
| Travis wants me to reach my full attention. | ||
| Sometimes I do care, but most of the times I don't. | ||
| He does care. | ||
| The whole thing is, Kevin's going to say that he's not going to care and maybe it's because subconsciously he's setting himself so that I don't want to say that I want to do this. | ||
| If I say that I care, Then I have to own it and I have to go after it and stuff like that. | ||
| But no, he cares. | ||
| Too much work. | ||
| That's not true. | ||
| He's out there working his ass off. | ||
| It's like he's training. | ||
| He trained crazy hard yesterday. | ||
| I'm glad you're here right now. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You're balancing this out. | ||
| I know. | ||
| He's kind of finagling us here. | ||
| Yeah, no. | ||
| Kevin works his ass off. | ||
| A little bit? | ||
| No. | ||
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Come on. | |
| I've seen your fights. | ||
| There's no way you could be that good and not work out hard. | ||
| It's like Kevin's in there. | ||
| It's like, does he want to do it? | ||
| No. | ||
| But it's like I said, how many rounds? | ||
| And he goes, no, let's do four. | ||
| So he wanted to do more. | ||
| It's like, okay, we're going to do five. | ||
| And it's like... | ||
| He doesn't like it. | ||
| He might not like it, but he'll do it. | ||
| And it's like he's over there working with Suge. | ||
| And the whole thing is... | ||
| And Suge is a strength and conditioning guy? | ||
| And hands. | ||
| And hands as well? | ||
| And hands. | ||
| Yeah, he does a good job. | ||
| And rolls good blunts. | ||
| Makes good spreads. | ||
| He's a great guy. | ||
| We've got to cut down on the blunts. | ||
| But other than that, we're good. | ||
| And the spread. | ||
| Yeah, the spread's awesome. | ||
| No, he's willing to work. | ||
| He's bullshitting you a little bit. | ||
| Kevin's in there doing the hard work. | ||
| As he's starting to believe more, he's for sure, okay, yeah, let's do this. | ||
| Let's do this. | ||
| Let's go to work. | ||
| Wrestling's starting to be fun. | ||
| Wrestling's starting to be fun. | ||
| Is he getting better at it? | ||
| Yeah, I'm getting better at it for sure. | ||
| Kevin has never shown what he can do when he's in the octagon. | ||
| I'll pretend like Kevin's not here right now. | ||
| It's like Kevin subconsciously is worried about getting tired. | ||
| And so he'll let people take him down because it's like he had success in the minor leagues and stuff like that. | ||
| He'd submit people off of his back and he won't always fight the takedown. | ||
| And then, you know, after Thiago is like, okay, that sucks. | ||
| I don't want to be on the bottom again. | ||
| And so then he's, you know, he'll wrestle more, but it's like when it's starting to kick in, it's like, okay, I have to be on top. | ||
| But it's like in the room, you can't take him down. | ||
| You know, it's like we got really, really good wrestlers that are Yeah, we get him down, but we have to do it. | ||
| It's like, okay, this guy's going until he gets tired. | ||
| And then we jerk him out, and we got another wrestler coming in on him. | ||
| So we might use three guys in a five-minute round, just trying to tire him out, forcing him. | ||
| Coach, don't tell people this. | ||
| Then Brunson's not going to take the fight. | ||
| I know. | ||
| Brunson's going to be scared. | ||
| Brunson's going to take the fight. | ||
| Oh, for sure. | ||
| He's going to take that fight. | ||
| He's a veteran. | ||
| A veteran? | ||
| No. | ||
| They have the same record almost. | ||
| Yeah, you're a veteran too. | ||
| Yeah, you're a veteran. | ||
| No, I'm 28. I'm young. | ||
| I'm not saying you're a veteran as in... | ||
| It's a positive thing. | ||
| You have a lot of good experience. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| That's what I'm saying. | ||
| And Derek has a ton of world-class experience. | ||
| Yeah, he's been in there with some... | ||
| He's been knocked out by all the good guys. | ||
| So it's amazing to find out if I'm a good guy or not. | ||
| You knock him out and you're a good guy. | ||
| It's pretty cool. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Coming off the Jacques Ray fight, that was one of the craziest KOs I think I've ever seen. | ||
| I watched the fight again a couple days ago because I knew that I was going to see you again. | ||
| I wanted to watch it one more time. | ||
| You heard him before the big punch. | ||
| You heard him with another punch before that. | ||
| And they showed it in the replay. | ||
| They showed the big punch that really sent him back, staggering off the back. | ||
| But you had rocked him with a punch off your back just before that. | ||
| Hammer fist. | ||
| Was it hammer fist? | ||
| Yeah, those hammer fists off the back. | ||
| I don't know why. | ||
| It's like those hammer fists, when you're on your back, they hurt. | ||
| You generate good power. | ||
| Look at that. | ||
| Yeah, that for sure. | ||
| But even before that, if you go back before this, the hammer fist for sure stunned him. | ||
| But even before the hammer fist, you hit him with one punch from... | ||
| That's it right there. | ||
| Right there. | ||
| Right there. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Now you see him always covering, and then you hit him with a hammer fist. | ||
| The hammer fist definitely hurt him. | ||
| He's real wobbly. | ||
| But I think it was really that first punch that sent him... | ||
| When I did my research on this, when I was just thinking about it, and I was thinking about it over and over again, like, what the hell could possibly make this happen, right? | ||
| And it's like two things. | ||
| One, if you look at my right leg right there, he holds that leg for dear life, right? | ||
| He holds that leg like that leg makes a difference in the fight, right? | ||
| And I guess it does. | ||
| Then he looks at it. | ||
| Look how he looks at that leg as it whips around. | ||
| Pow! | ||
| And he gets smacked, right? | ||
| So he's looking at the leg almost like the leg is going to kick him. | ||
| And so if you're thinking about the leg, you're not looking at the punch, so the punch is going to hurt a little bit more. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And then everybody thinks I was on my back, but I was actually on one hand when I did it, you know? | ||
| So it's kind of like capoeira, you know what I mean? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You play the video game, and the guy, Eddie, he's doing all that dancing and stuff like that, and he's on one hand doing everything. | ||
| It's just kind of like capoeira, if you think about it. | ||
| Did you ever see Randy versus Ensign, Ensign Inoue? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| When they fought in Japan, Ensign was throwing these nasty leg kicks off of his back. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Off of his back, he was kind of like sideways on his back. | ||
| And he was just cracking them with these nasty leg kicks. | ||
| I was like, whoa, this is generating a lot of power from that position. | ||
| I want to see this. | ||
| Yeah, and not like a straight leg kick, you know, like attacking the knees, just chopping at the legs. | ||
| Like around us? | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah, off of his back. | ||
| And then he caught Randy in an arm bar. | ||
| Ensign was an interesting guy. | ||
| I read that he was playing racquetball and a guy approached him about training. | ||
| Is that Egan or Ensign? | ||
| Maybe it was Egan. | ||
| So Randy's coming at him and he's hitting him with these nasty kicks off of his back. | ||
| See how he's doing that? | ||
| He scoots forward and he was generating a lot of power off of his back. | ||
| And Randy just wanted to stay above him. | ||
| He's attacking with these leg kicks. | ||
| They had good power to him. | ||
| I remember this was a big win for him. | ||
| Probably his biggest win ever. | ||
| Yeah, I would say so, right? | ||
| I think if they would have fought 100 times, Randy wins 99 of those. | ||
| Well, how can you say that when Ensign won the one time they fought? | ||
| That's what I think. | ||
| Because you're a Randy fan. | ||
| But when he fought Royce Alger, that was a giant win, too, because Royce Alger was coming over as an elite wrestler, and everybody was like, this is what's going to win in the UFC. These big, powerful wrestlers are going to take you down and ground and pound you, and Ensign caught him in an armbar and broke his arm. | ||
| Yeah, good jujitsu. | ||
| You know, he got IBJJF and him are in a little bit of a squabble. | ||
| Yeah, what is going on with that? | ||
| He was inactive. | ||
| He was inactive. | ||
| He had never done his paperwork. | ||
| It's like, is that bullshit? | ||
| Yeah, it's a little bit bullshit. | ||
| But he was also inactive. | ||
| From what I hear, he wasn't really training. | ||
| The way that rankings work is that in order for me to be ranked up after a black belt, I have to be training. | ||
| It stagnates. | ||
| And I don't think that that's the actual real issue with the IBJJF is that he just didn't do his paperwork a long time ago. | ||
| John Jock had that problem. | ||
| It's like when they first, years ago, he couldn't... | ||
| If I remember right, they gave him like two stripes on his black belt. | ||
| And this is just a couple years ago. | ||
| And then Hickson heard about it and ranked him up to, I think, coral belt. | ||
| And it's like, you know, it was kind of a big deal. | ||
| It's coral. | ||
| It calls that black and red. | ||
| That black and red belt. | ||
| Yeah, so Hickson did that, and it's like, you know, it's kind of a fuck you to... | ||
| I can say fuck you, right? | ||
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Yes! | |
| Cool. | ||
| It's... | ||
| That, you know, to the IBJJF, I think, you know, it's like a little family squabble, so... | ||
| Yeah, the whole ranking thing is weird, right? | ||
| Because some guys can just decide that they're forming their own system. | ||
| At the end of the day, this goes back to samurai times and there was no belts. | ||
| I think the original belts were white, black, blue. | ||
| Even in Brazilian Jiu Jitsu, when it was given to the Gracies back in the day, I think that was the rank. | ||
| Hoist explained it to me. | ||
| The white belt was the beginner, a black belt was the... | ||
| You know, you achieve the rank of black belt, you're the expert. | ||
| And then the blue belt was the teacher. | ||
| And so, Alio, right before he died, you know, the last few years, would train in a really, really dark blue belt. | ||
| And it's like, you know, so he'd go put the black belt on or the red belt on for the pitchers and stuff like that. | ||
| But when he was teaching, he would wear a blue belt. | ||
| And now Hoist, when he does his seminars, if you look really, really closely at his belt, it's blue. | ||
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Really? | |
| Yeah, it's not black. | ||
| He's doing that to honor his dad and stuff like that. | ||
| That's really interesting. | ||
| People love belts, though. | ||
| They love finding out that you've passed, you've reached the next level, it gives you a nice boost, you feel good. | ||
| Yeah, but it's a perishable skill. | ||
| You know, it's like everything's perishable. | ||
| It's like, you know, it's like if you don't go shoot, you know, it's like that skill's gonna go away. | ||
| If you don't, if I don't train jujitsu, that skill's gonna go away. | ||
| And it's like, and it's striking, whatever it is, you don't drive your car, you're not gonna do as well with it. | ||
| You know, it's like if you're a race car driver, You gotta practice. | ||
| So yeah, in that way, it's like, do I start over? | ||
| I haven't trained for five years, ten years. | ||
| Should I start over? | ||
| Do I still wear my belt? | ||
| I achieved it at one time. | ||
| It's complicated. | ||
| It is complicated, right? | ||
| But getting a black belt from Travis Luda, that's a big fucking deal. | ||
| Yeah, it takes a long time. | ||
| That's a big fucking deal. | ||
| That's legit. | ||
| It takes half a lifetime. | ||
| You can do it. | ||
| It just takes half a lifetime. | ||
| Do you have a favorite thing that you like to train in? | ||
| Yeah, the gi. | ||
| You like the gi? | ||
| Yeah, as long as we're in the gi, I'm happy. | ||
| I love the gi. | ||
| Especially a new gi. | ||
| I love the gi. | ||
| It sucks because I just bought like five new gis and I haven't been able to train in the gis since buying five new gis. | ||
| Because you're training for MMA. Well, no. | ||
| It's just I've been at every... | ||
| All my classes seem like there's been no gi or wrestling. | ||
| It just haven't been gi classes. | ||
| It sucks. | ||
| Why do you prefer the gi? | ||
| It's what I started with. | ||
| Kung fu. | ||
| Started off in the gi. | ||
| Jiu-jitsu when I went to Travis's gym. | ||
| Gi. | ||
| It's real martial arts. | ||
| Yeah, like the last thing that Kevin does before he goes on the Octagon, you know, before he comes out, is he does his kata, you know, from Kung Fu. | ||
| You know, so it's like we do the warm-up, he's all 100% warm, and then that's kind of his cool-down. | ||
| And that gets his head right, and he's ready. | ||
| And it's like, you know, and this is part of the routine, and it's like, you know, Kevin's very, very traditional that way. | ||
| Do you have a specific kata that you like to do before you warm up, or when you're about to go out? | ||
| Yeah, to calm down, 10-point blocking system is the one to calm down. | ||
| They say 10-point blocking system, but it really should be called 10-point breathing system. | ||
| So you're really focusing on your breathing. | ||
| And then I like combat pinyon. | ||
| I'm really, really fond of combat pinyon. | ||
| So the only forms that I'll still do is I'll do 10-point blocking system, of course. | ||
| I'll do combat pinyon. | ||
| I'll do self-defense form to the left and to the right. | ||
| That's the original one we learned. | ||
| And then I'll do SDM2. That's the second self-defense form that we learned. | ||
| And I kind of suck at SDM2, that's why I still practice it. | ||
| SDM1 self-defense forms left and right, the traditional one for the whole art, 10 basic footworks. | ||
| I do those. | ||
| I do the footworks every couple days, or if I'm just bored, or if I'm naked in the shower. | ||
| And then Combat Pinon, I like to smoke a blunt and do Combat Pinon. | ||
| It's supposed to be like a scenery in a garden, like you create the capital It's kind of like what you do. | ||
| And then 10 point blocking system is just really good to just calm down, just relax and you know, it's like I want to teach it to my little brother but 14 years old, and I still don't think he's patient enough to learn it. | ||
| So, you know, it's a good one, though. | ||
| I really love 10-point blocking system. | ||
| So you said you train with Suge as your strength and conditioning guy, but he also works with your hands? | ||
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Mm-hmm. | |
| Do you have a Muay Thai coach? | ||
| Do you work with someone that does kicks with you? | ||
| No, so I'm traditional. | ||
| I have, like, you know, I have my second-degree black belt in kung fu, so I know kicks pretty well. | ||
| But it's like I go out there and I get work with Bob, of course, and I love working with Bob. | ||
| You know, shout out to Black Beasts and them. | ||
| Texas is officially warm again now that the balls are back. | ||
| We were talking about Derek's KO victory over Curtis Blades before this fight. | ||
| Holy shit. | ||
| That shit was amazing. | ||
| He can crack. | ||
| He can crack and he keeps it too. | ||
| That was the thing, the Volkov fight, you know, I remember calling that fight because he was down in the fight and I remember it was like right before he knocked him out, we were talking about it, I said he can knock you out at any moment in the fight. | ||
| Even deep into the third round, Derek could still knock you out. | ||
| Can Francis do that? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| We've never seen it. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| He's never had to do it. | ||
| Yeah, we've never seen it. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| He didn't do it against Stipe that first time. | ||
| That would have been the answer, huh? | ||
| Yeah, that would have been... | ||
| It's just, you know, I don't know if Derek could do it against Stipe either. | ||
| You know what I'm saying? | ||
| It's like, he's not there to hit. | ||
| And he's so experienced. | ||
| He knows when to clinch with you. | ||
| He knows when to get you down. | ||
| He knows how to wear you out. | ||
| What Stipe was able to do though, which was pretty shocking, was absorb some of the bigger shots that Francis throws. | ||
| And he went with them and he rolled with some shots. | ||
| So how's his eye now? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| You know, I mean, it got better enough that he was willing to fight DC a second time. | ||
| How is it now? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Man, that's something. | ||
| It's like, you know, you start losing eyes. | ||
| It's like, this is all fun. | ||
| Like Nick Lentz just retired because he said he lost 40% of his vision. | ||
| No, no thank you. | ||
| How does that happen? | ||
| Pokes. | ||
| The pokes, and then also trauma, because boxers get it. | ||
| Boxers get it, so you get hit, and it'll detach. | ||
| So it's like maybe the centrifugal force, whatever, it makes that eye pop, and then the retina detaches, and then they have to go in there and do surgery, and it's never, right? | ||
| Bisping only has one eye. | ||
| That's pretty cool. | ||
| So you can take out his eye. | ||
| No, he has a lens cover that he puts over his eye. | ||
| His eye has had so many surgeries on it that it looks weird. | ||
| If you see it, it's like you have two eyes. | ||
| He has one eye that looks normal and one eye where... | ||
| Can he see? | ||
| It looks like a giant pupil. | ||
| No. | ||
| You can barely see. | ||
| He can barely see. | ||
| And he fought like that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| How is he passing the eye exam? | ||
| I have no idea. | ||
| That's what I'm trying to figure out. | ||
| I have no idea. | ||
| Right before my last fight, they thought I had a detached retina. | ||
| I had to go to a different one. | ||
| I was like, oh my god, this is the end. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| They're doing different things to try to heal trauma to eyes. | ||
| There's a guy named Andrew Huberman who's been on my podcast before who's at Stanford University. | ||
| And they're doing these things with, I believe... | ||
| There's somehow or another engineering bacteria, and they inject this bacteria in your eye, and it repairs your eye, and it repairs vision, and yeah. | ||
| So they stick a needle in your eye? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Oh, how bad would that hurt? | ||
| That would not be, I don't like needles, so that would be terrible. | ||
| Yeah, not fun, but if it fixes your eye. | ||
| I'd do it. | ||
| I'd do it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I just want to know how bad, I mean, I'd do it just to see how bad it hurt. | ||
| So is that uncomfortable, as he said, like wearing that thing over your eye? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| But I didn't know what he was doing. | ||
| He was on my podcast. | ||
| He's since done it on his show. | ||
| He's pulled the lens out and shown everybody what it is. | ||
| But he was on my podcast. | ||
| I'm like, dude, your eye looks great. | ||
| Like, what did you do? | ||
| And then afterwards he shows me, pulls it out. | ||
| He's like, yeah, I can't even fucking see. | ||
| Can't see now. | ||
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Wow. | |
| That's crazy. | ||
| So he basically has like an artificial cover to his eye. | ||
| You know, it's like a... | ||
| Joe Frazier. | ||
| Joe Frazier, you know, he was... | ||
| Yeah, there it is. | ||
| Look at that. | ||
| He's pulling it out. | ||
| So that thing sits over his eye. | ||
| Yeah, Joe Frazier, you know, the first fight he ever wore contacts for was when he fought... | ||
| Oh, Big George. | ||
| Big George Foreman. | ||
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Really? | |
| Yeah. | ||
| So it's like that's one of the things that nobody really talks about in that fight is he was wearing contacts in that fight. | ||
| Well, back then, contacts were glass, too. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So he gets hit, and they're going everywhere. | ||
| And he can't see. | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| So that was part of the problem for that fight. | ||
| Why the fuck? | ||
| Because he was blind. | ||
| Joe was basically legally blind at that point in time in his life. | ||
| From boxing. | ||
| He drove for years without a driver's license, from what I've read. | ||
| He's out there driving. | ||
| They said he drove fast. | ||
| He couldn't see. | ||
| He was driving by feel. | ||
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What?! | |
| Driving by feel? | ||
| My grandfather did it. | ||
| He was like... | ||
| What's that? | ||
| That's a curb. | ||
| Don't go left. | ||
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Exactly. | |
| It's a car that doesn't go left? | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| You hit the curb. | ||
| That means go left. | ||
| You just hit shit and bounce off of it and keep going. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Middle of the night driving. | ||
| Middle of the night. | ||
| That's good stuff. | ||
| Yeah, if you're from the Northeast, you get shit over your windshield and you can't see. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| And from snow and ice and... | ||
| Or if you're in Texas. | ||
| How bizarre. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| Crazy. | ||
| A hundred year storm, something like that. | ||
| If that. | ||
| We were talking about it like there's no real record of anything that lasted that long. | ||
| Like that went through Austin and Houston and Dallas and froze everything up. | ||
| Did you lose power? | ||
| No, we got lucky. | ||
| Didn't lose power. | ||
| But, you know, pipes froze up. | ||
| Oh, your pipes froze? | ||
| Yeah, pipes froze up. | ||
| You know, it's so crazy. | ||
| I was so mad. | ||
| It's like the little hood apartment that I used to stay in. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Never lost power. | ||
| My uncle was good the whole time. | ||
| I move into this nice new neighborhood, beautiful house, you know, and I lose power. | ||
| My grandparents' house right around the corner, they lose power. | ||
| I go back to the hood and everybody over there has power. | ||
| I said, I knew I shouldn't have moved. | ||
| I knew I shouldn't have moved. | ||
| Knew it, man. | ||
| Yeah, it was a weird random thing, but millions of people lost power, which is just so strange that it lasted for so long. | ||
| And then, you know, a lot of tragedies too. | ||
| Yeah, there was that boy that the mom found him. | ||
| They were from Honduras, and they were living in a trailer, and their trailer lost power. | ||
| And she found him under a bunch of blankets. | ||
| He was trying to keep warm, and he froze to death. | ||
| I think there's 20-some people that I read that died in Texas. | ||
| So, terrible. | ||
| Bad deal. | ||
| Bad deal. | ||
| So, you were telling me your gym was only closed for a short amount of time? | ||
| For during the pandemic. | ||
| Yeah, during the pandemic we closed down for that six weeks when the governor shut us down. | ||
| And I mean, Kevin had to fight, so it's like we were doing some training on the down low and stuff like that. | ||
| We had to. | ||
| Yeah, we had to. | ||
| Kevin's got to fight. | ||
| No. | ||
| No, it wasn't just because Kevin had a fight. | ||
| Well, Travis is going to lose his mind. | ||
| Travis is going crazy. | ||
| And then I vowed that as soon as it was over and it made no change, I'm not shutting down again. | ||
| They can shut us down, but I'm not going to shut down. | ||
| I'm not going to do that to my people. | ||
| California still shut down a year later. | ||
| Terrible. | ||
| That's insane. | ||
| There's no jujitsu in California legally. | ||
| A year later. | ||
| Legally. | ||
| Fucking bananas. | ||
| I was out in Vegas and you have to like put your mask around your... | ||
| You have to chin strap your mask. | ||
| Chin strap your mask in case the people come in. | ||
| You can just pull it up. | ||
| How are you supposed to train with that? | ||
| That's dangerous. | ||
| It's so silly. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's so silly. | ||
| It doesn't make any sense. | ||
| No, it's like, I mean, I understand. | ||
| If you've got, you know, if you're physically, you know, you're older, you have some sort of pre-existing... | ||
| Well, don't go train then. | ||
| Yeah, don't go train. | ||
| Don't go train. | ||
| Don't be around people that were trained. | ||
| You shouldn't be in a jujitsu gym. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's like, you know, but it's like, but to tell a healthy person that you can't go train, it's like, that's crazy. | ||
| You know, it's like, this is, you know... | ||
| Not only that, who are the people that are telling us we can't do this? | ||
| They're not healthy. | ||
| No. | ||
| These are not wise people. | ||
| They're just public health officials that are just deciding arbitrarily to close down outdoor dining when there's no evidence whatsoever that there's any spread from outdoor dining. | ||
| Zero. | ||
| Well, it's like, you know, I could walk around and start slapping ho-hos out of people's hands and saying, listen, that's going to kill you. | ||
| Boom. | ||
| Not only is it going to kill you, but it's also going to make you more susceptible to the disease, which is going to make you transmit to more people. | ||
| Right. | ||
| That's real. | ||
| Also, they're talking about obese people. | ||
| Obese people that get COVID, they aspirate more. | ||
| They cough more. | ||
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Right. | |
| They have more issues. | ||
| So you are literally likely to infect more people. | ||
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Right. | |
| As they're telling us not to go outside, not to, you know, vitamin D is, you know, I think one of the biggest things that they found that, you know, helps to prevent, you know, COVID, the people that are, you know, we're dying, we're, you know, vitamin D deficient, and, you know, it's like, and they're telling us not to go outside. | ||
| 84% of the people in the ICU, vitamin D deficient for COVID. Right. | ||
| 4% had sufficient levels of vitamin D. For multiple studies. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Wow. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| So it's like... | ||
| Vitamin D is giant. | ||
| Do you take supplements? | ||
| No. | ||
| Nothing? | ||
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No. | |
| UFC sent me some supplements to take, and I tried it for a while, and I feel like I was getting more sleepy taking the supplements than I was just regular training and smoking weed. | ||
| Kevin's just different. | ||
| That doesn't make any sense. | ||
| Like, what supplements are they sending you? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
|
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Tranquilizers? | |
| They sent me a bunch, though. | ||
|
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Equalizers. | |
| But if anybody asks, I do take Recover Me USA. Yeah, I take that all day, every day. | ||
| I swear I do. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Super, super believable. | ||
| Hard sell. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So you don't take anything, just eat. | ||
| Eat and train. | ||
| Get them to eat, right? | ||
| It's difficult. | ||
| It's like, Kevin, you've got to eat. | ||
| It's like, man, I'm just not hungry. | ||
| Man, Kevin, you've got to eat. | ||
| What's your diet like? | ||
| Why are you laughing? | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
| See, me and my old lady, we just split, so I don't know what the diet's going to be like. | ||
| Is she cooking? | ||
| Yeah, she cooks everything. | ||
| She cooks really good, too. | ||
| Probably go back to Icon Mills. | ||
| Oh, that's a good move. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| My grandparents live right around the corner though, so grandma usually cooks, so I'll just go over there and snag a few plates and stuff. | ||
| Breakfast, I usually like, you know, now that I'm single, I ain't gonna be making no bacon. | ||
| So I'll probably just crack like two eggs, you know what I mean? | ||
| And give one to my son, I'll take the other one, you know, throw it on the bread. | ||
| Yeah, you gotta eat more than an egg. | ||
| It's crazy talk. | ||
| Really? | ||
| I feel good like that. | ||
| You like to eat light... | ||
| Yeah, I just, you know, just snack. | ||
| What do you walk around at? | ||
| Like, what do you weigh? | ||
| 196 pounds. | ||
| Oh, that's not much. | ||
| Sometimes 194. When you see guys like Paulo Costa that, you know, he looks like Jesus Christ. | ||
| I'd kill him. | ||
| Yeah, how does he make weight? | ||
| How does he make weight? | ||
| I have no idea. | ||
| That's 214 pounds I think he weighed in? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| After the fight? | ||
| It's insane. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| I used to fight 170 pounds. | ||
| And then I missed weight for, like, two California fights. | ||
| You know, both times I just really wasn't taking the weight cut serious, to be honest with you. | ||
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Yeah? | |
| And, uh... | ||
| It was like, they start talking about how you can't cut so much weight in California. | ||
| Right. | ||
| 10% of your body weight. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| For fights. | ||
| And I was like, oh, well, I'm probably going to have to go up to 85. And I was, at the time, I was going back and forth between California and Texas a lot to fight. | ||
| So I was like, well, I'll just stay at 85. You know, it's like half the time guys are out of shape anyways, 85. I'll just stay at 85. And then I lost Lovato at 85, so I was like, yeah, I'm really going to stay at 85. I'm going to get that fight back. | ||
| So it just makes sense not to cut that much weight. | ||
| I could probably make 170 with a nutritionist, but we like the way that I act and we like the way I feel at 85. I like Kevin at 85 better. | ||
| It's like he's stronger. | ||
| It's like we have better training partners for him at that weight. | ||
| He gets down to when he's lighter. | ||
| I prefer him at 85. You certainly have the frame for it. | ||
| It's such a big advantage to be long. | ||
| He's stupid strong. | ||
| It's like Kevin put him up against anybody as far as strength at 85. Well, you certainly show it with one-punch power, you know? | ||
| When Joaquin Buckley made that highlight reel crazy kick, and then I was like, yeah, does everybody forget? | ||
| Yeah, it's like, no one's, no one's, I mean, yeah, it was an amazing kick. | ||
| It was an amazing kick. | ||
| That's my son. | ||
| I'm proud of him, you know? | ||
| I'm forever gonna own that. | ||
| He's my kid, and then I got my other kid who can't freaking pass drug tests. | ||
| I got these two kids. | ||
| The Ontiverus guy, he stays in Houston, the one that I fought. | ||
| Everybody thinks that I call everybody my kids that I beat. | ||
| No, it's only the two guys that I brought into the UFC. I brought both those guys into the UFC and then I finished them. | ||
| Those are my kids. | ||
| Yeah, those are my kids. | ||
| You know, there's no way around it. | ||
| It was interesting that that fight made Buckley, like, sort of this viral sensation. | ||
| Deservedly so. | ||
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It was wild. | |
| Crazy. | ||
| Wild. | ||
| But then, you don't... | ||
| People, like, forgot. | ||
| Like, it was just one fight ago. | ||
| You KO'd him with one punch. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But this is social media fans. | ||
| This isn't real hardcore fans. | ||
| The hardcore guys know. | ||
| I know what Kevin did to him. | ||
| Don't forget. | ||
| He's human. | ||
| The whole division right now is in such an interesting place with Adesanya about to fight Blachowicz. | ||
| Who you got there? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Look, Israel's the most interesting striker, I think, in that division, in terms of, like, he's got so much kickboxing experience. | ||
| He's so good at reads and feints and setting you up. | ||
| One question, though, Joe. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Does he have a black belt in kung fu? | ||
| No, he doesn't. | ||
| All right. | ||
| You and him had words, right? | ||
| Like, was it after one of your victories you were yelling at him or something? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| It started before that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| He tried to punk me my first day on the job. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| First day on the job? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He shoulder-checked Kevin in the back. | ||
| Really? | ||
| The Tiago fight, right? | ||
| Yeah, the Tiago fight. | ||
| So Kevin has been mad about this since then. | ||
| It's like when something happens to Kevin, it just festers in his brain. | ||
| So he's mad. | ||
| He's angry that this happened. | ||
| It's like he does not... | ||
| You know, Kevin just doesn't like to be disrespected, and he felt disrespected in that moment. | ||
| And it's like, you know, whether or not Stylebender remembers it or whatever, you know, is... | ||
| Yeah, it happened. | ||
| You know, it happened. | ||
| That's as simple as it is. | ||
| You did it, and, you know, it's like you can say, oh, I didn't do anything. | ||
| And it's like, all right, well, it's fine. | ||
| And then they had another altercation, you know, in the hotel. | ||
| You know, it's like where everybody's staying, you know, getting ready for this during quarantine UFC. They had that other little altercation and then after the fight he was there and Kevin was yelling at him and he yelled something back. | ||
| Do you think that's an inevitable encounter? | ||
| It seems like it has to be. | ||
| I think if he wins at 205 he doesn't come back to 85. I don't think he'll come back to 85. I have this theory though. | ||
| Money. | ||
| He'll be after money fights after that. | ||
| Do you think there's more money at 205 than 85? | ||
| Probably. | ||
| You know, it's like the heavyweights make more money than anybody. | ||
| Right, but he's not going to go up to heavyweights. | ||
| I think he will. | ||
| I think if Jon Jones wins the heavyweight title, I think Izzy goes up there and, you know, fights Jon. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, it's like N1. You know, N1, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, he's a talented guy. | ||
| He's really, really, really, really good. | ||
| It's different when you had grappling, though. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But he's good. | ||
| He's undefeated. | ||
| I mean, it's hard to knock what he does. | ||
| He's good. | ||
| He does fantastic work. | ||
| But he has been knocked out before. | ||
| Well, that Pereira fight. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That guy's got fucking crazy power, man. | ||
| I know. | ||
| And I know somebody like him. | ||
| Is he ever going to come to MMA? Oh, like you? | ||
| Who has crazy power? | ||
| Kevin Holland? | ||
| I mean, you know? | ||
| You know? | ||
| Sometimes I squeeze things too tight. | ||
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You know? | |
| Yeah, he's in MMA now. | ||
| He's fighting for LFA. Really? | ||
| That'd be LFA. Yeah, he's got a ruthless KO. His first fight in MMA in a while. | ||
| See if you can find that. | ||
| Alex Purr, he knocked this dude out with a left hook. | ||
| Same left hook he knocked his heel. | ||
| Yeah, he's got a crazy left hook. | ||
| What weight is he at? | ||
| Well, he's got two titles in glory. | ||
| He's got the 85 and the 205 pound title in glory. | ||
| Beast. | ||
| He's a beast. | ||
| But I don't know what his ground game's like. | ||
| I have no idea what he has. | ||
| But has he just got his purple belt, I think? | ||
| From Atos, right? | ||
| Yeah, from Atos. | ||
| He's out there for like a week. | ||
| I might give him a stripe. | ||
| I'm allowed to do that? | ||
| I'm allowed to give people stripes? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| How's that work? | ||
| Once you're a black belt, what are you allowed to give... | ||
| I think you've got to be there at Black Belt for three years before you can start ranking people officially. | ||
| Here it is, Lucius. | ||
| Nice. | ||
| Faceplant. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Can we see it again? | ||
| Yeah, here it goes. | ||
| It's a smooth left hook, too. | ||
| It's almost like it's right here and then it's just right there. | ||
| It's full rotation. | ||
| The thing about him is when he throws things, he touches you, touches you, touches you, boom! | ||
| He'll throw things and he looks calm and relaxed. | ||
| Look at that kick. | ||
| Boom! | ||
| That kick's not full power. | ||
| He's just reaching up with that kick. | ||
| Go back a little bit, Jamie, and show that again. | ||
| When you see how he touches guys with stuff, bang! | ||
| I like that. | ||
| God damn, that hurt. | ||
| Crazy power. | ||
| And he does that to everybody. | ||
| He does that with the big gloves, with the little gloves. | ||
| It's a different fucking story. | ||
| I'd fight him. | ||
| I'm sure you would. | ||
| You'd fight anybody. | ||
| I'm sure you'd fight Satan. | ||
| Kevin has to fight, though. | ||
| It's like UFC making him wait this long is driving him crazy. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| So this is the question. | ||
| With Adesanya about to fight Blachowicz, you got this situation now with 185 belt is potentially in limbo. | ||
| You know, does that bother you when you see guys who are champions fighting other champions and it sort of ties up both weight classes? | ||
| Nope. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| Kevin doesn't care. | ||
| I just want to fight. | ||
| It doesn't have to be for the belt. | ||
| You know, it's like... | ||
| But when you look at the rankings, obviously now you're a top contender. | ||
| I want Kelvin Gastelum next. | ||
| That's what you want. | ||
| That'd be awesome. | ||
| I want to do him worse than what Izzy did him. | ||
| I want to go out there and have that type of war. | ||
| I oblige. | ||
| If not, do I have to go back a little bit? | ||
| Who's a good fight? | ||
| Who's a fun fight? | ||
| Who can keep me active? | ||
| That's what I want. | ||
| So right now you're just in the mind state of just keep going and keep improving. | ||
| He wants to fight name fighters, but he wants to be active. | ||
| Him having to wait until March is painful for Kevin. | ||
| Is that what's going on? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So they have a fight schedule for you in March? | ||
| Yeah, Brunson. | ||
| Oh, that's March. | ||
| But it's just so far away. | ||
| So you really want to fight almost every month? | ||
| Yeah, every other month it would be idealistic so that way I can spend a little bit of time with the family and the body can get a little bit of rest, you know, just being realistic. | ||
| But every other month, like realistically speaking here, for like my mental health and for the people around me, it's like if I fought every other month, it would be perfect. | ||
| It'd be great for everybody in my life. | ||
| And what do you like for a three-round fight? | ||
| How many weeks do you like for a camp? | ||
| I don't need a camp. | ||
| For three rounds? | ||
| I don't need a camp. | ||
| For five rounds? | ||
| We need three to four weeks. | ||
| Coach? | ||
| All last year, he was taking those fights on week notice, week and a half notice, and there were three-round fights. | ||
| And now he was training because we just get done fighting. | ||
| Okay, you might fight again, come back to the gym. | ||
| It's like he might take a week off, he might not. | ||
| Some of the times he wasn't taking a week off, he was just jumping back in the gym. | ||
| And so he was just staying busy. | ||
| So he didn't really have a camp the whole year, except for the last one. | ||
| Yeah, we had a camp the last one. | ||
| For Jacare. | ||
| For Jacare, we did. | ||
| It was Jack or Manson. | ||
| Oh, that's right. | ||
| And we were like, we're going to get ready for Jack. | ||
| And then they said I had COVID, so I just stayed in the house for a couple days, like about a week. | ||
| And then we went back to the gym for a couple days, and then we had to go to Vegas. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I think if you train consistently, like, you know, people are like, oh, I'm getting ready for this fight. | ||
| I'm getting ready for this fight. | ||
| Fuck you. | ||
| I'm getting ready for war. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| It's like, who wants it? | ||
| They can come get it, you know? | ||
| It's like, you give me enough time to cut weight to 170 pounds. | ||
| Coach don't like it, but if that's what it takes to catch a fight, I'll catch a fight. | ||
| If I have to go up to 205 and my body can somehow make it happen, if I have to put little egg weights inside my draws, I'll do that. | ||
| I've done that before to make 196, you know? | ||
| It's like, It's like, whatever. | ||
| I just want to fight. | ||
| Fight as much as possible. | ||
| Do you consider 170? | ||
| If they called you up... | ||
| I will. | ||
| To cut to 170, either A, I have to be sitting out and not having a fight coming up, and so I'm that pissed off that I don't have a fight coming up. | ||
| I'm like, coach, we just have to do this. | ||
| The coach will be like, alright, fuck it, we gotta do it. | ||
| Or... | ||
| Kevin can make 170 in two weeks. | ||
| For a fight that we like. | ||
| In two weeks. | ||
| Two weeks from now, you can make 170. As long as I'm not running around going crazy, and it's like the older I get, the less I eat crazy. | ||
| I used to eat, you know, the grandma box of cookies, the vanilla ones, there's like six to eight in them. | ||
| I like the peanut butter ones. | ||
| I used to eat a whole box, six packs of those, one whole night. | ||
| I don't do that anymore. | ||
| They're fucking good. | ||
| They are good. | ||
| I can't handle it. | ||
| I can't handle it anymore. | ||
| I don't even drink milk anymore. | ||
| So much peanut butter, we actually looked it up. | ||
| If you take too much, intake too much peanut butter in your body, it fucks up your ingestive system, your insides and stuff. | ||
| Peanut butter? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| It's fucking crazy. | ||
| You can Google it. | ||
| I've done way too much peanut butter over the years. | ||
| You've ruined your body with peanut butter? | ||
| I've ruined my body with peanut butter. | ||
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It's fucked up. | |
| How is peanut butter bad for you? | ||
| I've never even heard of that before. | ||
| I never thought it was bad for you. | ||
| I always thought it was good for you. | ||
| I'm just constantly eating peanut butter, constantly eating peanut butter, peanut butter all day, every day. | ||
| I thought peanut butter was high in protein. | ||
| Peanuts are good for you. | ||
| That's where I've been getting my protein at for years. | ||
| It was bothering your stomach though, right? | ||
| It's just tearing my stomach up. | ||
| Yeah, he was having problems when he was eating peanut butter. | ||
| But what form are you having peanut butter in? | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
| With what? | ||
| You name it. | ||
| Like peanut butter cookies, whether they're homemade, store-bought. | ||
| So here you've got flour and sugar. | ||
| Can't be the cookies. | ||
| What else? | ||
| Peanut butter was with everything. | ||
| What else that's bothering you? | ||
| Pop-Tart, peanut butter. | ||
| Okay, you got fucking Pop-Tarts. | ||
| You got sugar and you got flour. | ||
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You got bullshit food. | |
| I don't think it's the peanut butter, bro. | ||
| I mean, I wasn't just going... | ||
| Yeah, but if you were, I bet you'd be fine. | ||
| I probably would. | ||
| Because you're talking about your insides. | ||
| You're talking about inflammation. | ||
| You're going to get that for sure from flour, from gluten, from sugar. | ||
| You should have fucking called Joe. | ||
| I don't think it's the peanut butter. | ||
| So I can just take a spoon and just... | ||
| I mean, look, I'm pretty far from a nutritionist, but I do know that there's... | ||
| If you're having peanut butter with Pop-Tarts, I don't think it's the fucking peanuts. | ||
| Joe, you're gonna make me Google this right now. | ||
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I'm telling you. | |
| Because I switched it. | ||
| I even switched up what I was putting peanut butter on. | ||
| Like, I'll just put peanut butter on this, and I'll probably feel better this week. | ||
| Like, what else? | ||
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Cake? | |
| No. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Peanut butter and cake. | ||
| Can you imagine what the hell was wrong in the world that you started eating peanut butter and cake? | ||
| I start smoking when I wake up, right? | ||
| And then by the time I go to bed, all I want is peanut butter. | ||
| I want anything. | ||
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I get it. | |
| And it's like, if I can't have peanut butter on something. | ||
| I understand that, but I really don't think it's the peanut butter. | ||
| It's the peanut butter, Joe. | ||
| It's the peanut butter. | ||
| 99% sure it's other bullshit that comes with the peanut butter. | ||
| So is that a thing with him? | ||
| You have to get him to eat. | ||
| It's hard. | ||
| Yeah, I, you know. | ||
| When you were saying, like, do you want him to have more than one egg with breakfast? | ||
| Legitimately, what he has at breakfast? | ||
| Yeah, I don't know. | ||
| You know, it's like, I just, hey, what'd you eat today? | ||
| And he'll tell me, and it's like, okay, you need to go eat. | ||
| So UFC has a meal prep company that they work with, right? | ||
| They do a lot of meal prep where they'll... | ||
| Like the Performance Institute... | ||
| Icon Mills? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Is that Icon? | ||
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No. | |
| They work with someone else, too. | ||
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Performance Institution is... | |
| No, it's not thrown. | ||
| Yeah, it is thrown. | ||
| It's something like that. | ||
| I don't remember, but I know they do it with fighters. | ||
| I think Kelvin, in one of his last UFC-embedded episodes, they showed the meal prep that they had with him, I think. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Some fighters. | ||
| I know those plastic meal prep things. | ||
| Yeah, those things. | ||
| Iconville makes some really good ones. | ||
| Yeah? | ||
| Yeah, they have this ravioli trifecta. | ||
| Okay, trifecta. | ||
| There it is. | ||
| So that's the UFC's meal prep company. | ||
| Yeah, we get those every fight week. | ||
| Fight week, they give us trifecta, and it's a... | ||
| Kevin doesn't like them. | ||
| You don't like them? | ||
| It's horrible, man. | ||
| No peanut butter? | ||
| No peanut butter, no flavor in anything. | ||
| But it's part of the program, so I eat it. | ||
| He's not happy about it. | ||
| Yeah, it's like, I'm like, I eat that and I don't even have to cut weight. | ||
| I'm at 185 pounds just from eating that crap. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And then they put something on every meal that makes you poop. | ||
| Every meal makes you poop. | ||
| You eat, 10 to 15 minutes later you gotta poop. | ||
| But isn't that probably good? | ||
| I already poop a lot. | ||
| I don't need anything more than I already poop. | ||
| It's not a problem? | ||
| After a certain time, it's too much poop. | ||
| I understand. | ||
| It can be an issue. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, it's good, though, that you don't have to cut weight if you're taking that stuff. | ||
| If you're eating trifecta meals, your energy's good? | ||
| Yeah, I feel... | ||
| He cuts a little bit of water. | ||
| It's like he's walking into Vegas at 196 pounds. | ||
| By the time he really starts cutting weight, it's like he's 192 or 93, but he's cut back. | ||
| He's only eating what they're giving him, and then he rehydrates after. | ||
| He cuts a little bit of water and weighs in, and he's good. | ||
| And when you rehydrate, do you have like a specific, do you use certain electrolytes? | ||
| Do you have something that you take? | ||
| Trifecta. | ||
| Trifecta as well? | ||
| After that, the food's pretty good. | ||
| Yeah, but I mean, what about electrolytes? | ||
| Like, do you drink a drink? | ||
| They have T1, T2, and then T3. Oh. | ||
| And then it's like, they have different things in them. | ||
| They have like a little slip that has like all these different stuff that they put in there. | ||
| Ingredients, yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| One's salty, one's sweet, one kind of tastes like a beefed-up Pedialyte. | ||
| It's pretty good. | ||
| I like it. | ||
| The drinks are really good. | ||
| It's the meals that you eat all week before the fight that suck. | ||
| I just don't like it. | ||
| You just like things that are more flavorful. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, Andy, you've got to keep in mind, it's like fight week, he's not smoking. | ||
| Nothing tastes good. | ||
| Skinny fats taste... | ||
| Fantastic Fight Week. | ||
| Shout out to Skinny Fats. | ||
| What's Skinny Fats? | ||
| It's right down the street from the little hotel that we stay at. | ||
| There's a little place called Skinny Fats. | ||
| They serve burgers and fried pickles. | ||
| Oh, it's in Vegas? | ||
| Yeah, it's pretty good. | ||
| What has it been like, this whole training and competing during the pandemic? | ||
| Do you like fighting with no audience? | ||
| Is it weird? | ||
| Yeah, it takes me back. | ||
| It's almost like street fights. | ||
| You just go out there. | ||
| Somebody pulls you off. | ||
| You're like, oh, is this the police? | ||
| Nope. | ||
| It's the bro. | ||
| It's time to be done. | ||
| We're out of here. | ||
| It's a wrap. | ||
| I'll whoop his ass, collect a little cash. | ||
| We're good, CBass. | ||
| That's all it is to it. | ||
| I love it. | ||
| Do you prefer large crowds? | ||
| I love a large crowd. | ||
| I love a large crowd. | ||
| But it doesn't bother you to have no crowd? | ||
| However you want it, we can get it. | ||
| I've been saying it's interesting calling those fights because you hear everything. | ||
| And I always feel so lucky I get to be there. | ||
| Like the Usman-Gilbert Burns fight last weekend. | ||
| I was like, Jesus Christ, I can't believe I'm right here. | ||
| There's no one in here. | ||
| There's like 20 people in the whole building. | ||
| I get to watch that. | ||
| Well, it's terrible for the fight. | ||
| If you fight on the undercard, then they kick you out of that place, and you've got to go back to your hotel room, and you can't watch the fights on the TV, so you're watching it on your phone. | ||
| Oh, really? | ||
| So if you're on the undercard, you can't watch from the dressing room? | ||
| No, they kick you out. | ||
| If you're there, we're trying to watch the fights. | ||
| At the end of the day, we're all fans. | ||
| We want to watch the fights, and we can't watch them. | ||
| Oh, I didn't know that. | ||
| Yeah, it's terrible. | ||
| Why don't they have a training, like a screening room? | ||
| They need to. | ||
| Fuck yeah, that place is giant. | ||
| They have everything there. | ||
| We do fight, media, media. | ||
| Yeah, and then they send us back, and it's like, you know, so... | ||
| Can't even stop again underneath. | ||
| If they just put the damn fights in the damn hotel room, that'd be okay. | ||
| We can't even watch them there. | ||
| Oh, that's ridiculous. | ||
| Everybody's tested. | ||
| This is what I don't understand. | ||
| Once you get there, you're all tested. | ||
| We're still wearing masks. | ||
| Well, they make us. | ||
| I don't understand it. | ||
| We have to wear a mask. | ||
| We get tested three times at least before we go there. | ||
| Everybody that's working there, you got tested. | ||
| Everyone's tested. | ||
| That's what doesn't make sense to me. | ||
| So it's like, why do I gotta wear a mask? | ||
| Why can't I hang out and watch the fights? | ||
| Right. | ||
| Once you're tested, I feel like you should just be able to sit down and watch the fights. | ||
| That'd be pretty cool. | ||
| I'd like to sit down and watch the fights. | ||
| Bring us some food, too. | ||
| How about that? | ||
| Wouldn't that be nice? | ||
| It'd be amazing. | ||
| Get trifecta on standby. | ||
| They should have post-fight meals. | ||
| Well, they used to. | ||
| They used to have the greener. | ||
| Legit, delicious, chicken and waffles, meatloaf, something good. | ||
| I'm getting hungry. | ||
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Before the pandemic, they would have food, except for in China. | |
| That wasn't food in China. | ||
| No? | ||
| No, that was terrible. | ||
| What did they get in China? | ||
| It wasn't food. | ||
| We couldn't get real food in China. | ||
| What do you mean? | ||
| What did you get? | ||
| It was nasty. | ||
| It was terrible. | ||
| It was bad. | ||
| Really? | ||
| I like sushi. | ||
| Put it this way. | ||
| We were there for Thanksgiving, and the UFC, like the brass there, was apologizing to us. | ||
| It's like, we're there for Thanksgiving. | ||
| We're having a Thanksgiving meal. | ||
| The UFC is putting it on, and they're apologizing. | ||
| Listen, this is as good as we could get. | ||
| What was it? | ||
| They had a turkey, but everything else sucked. | ||
| Well, they got to eat a turkey. | ||
| Yeah, you didn't get to eat it. | ||
| I didn't get to eat shit. | ||
| You just cut weight. | ||
| You didn't get to eat it. | ||
| That was horrible. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So that was the worst experience with food? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
|
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I almost got arrested for ketchup. | |
| What? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I went off. | ||
| I wasn't there for that. | ||
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You almost got arrested for ketchup. | |
| Cowboy and Suge were like, Kevin, we're in a foreign country, bro. | ||
| Calm down. | ||
| I was like, fuck you. | ||
| I want my ketchup. | ||
| And I was like, blocking the kitchen. | ||
| And they were like, you can't do this. | ||
| I was like, give me my fucking ketchup. | ||
| And they were like, no. | ||
| And they were like, you need to sit down. | ||
| Why were you so amped up over ketchup? | ||
| We just got done cutting weight. | ||
| And I wanted ketchup and hot sauce for my eggs. | ||
| They didn't want to give me ketchup. | ||
| I found hot sauce, a little bottle. | ||
| Just couldn't find any ketchup. | ||
| And this is in China. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| China food's rough, man. | ||
| Yeah? | ||
| Yeah, it's like, I mean, it's just, there's no incentive for anybody that, you know, it's like, you know, it's a problem with communism. | ||
| You know, it's like, there's just no incentive, you know, it's like, you know, in this third, fourth generation communism. | ||
| They had good breakfast? | ||
|
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No. | |
| The hotel had good breakfast. | ||
| No. | ||
|
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No? | |
| I asked for, I liked it. | ||
| No. | ||
| They had cold French toast. | ||
| It was good. | ||
| It was good. | ||
| I got used to it. | ||
| I asked for salt and pepper. | ||
| They brought me salt and paper. | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| I was like, what do I do? | ||
| I thought you were going to write something down. | ||
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I was like, okay, whatever. | |
| So what we could do to improve the UFC Performance Institute, like the Apex Center. | ||
| Like, have a room. | ||
| Where there's couches and a big ass TV. We can social distance. | ||
| It's fine. | ||
| Why do you even have to... | ||
| I don't get it. | ||
| Everybody's fucking tested. | ||
| But if they give us food and let us watch the fights, then I'll social distance. | ||
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I get it. | |
| In fact, I'm in favor of social distancing. | ||
| They're treating... | ||
| You're in favor of it. | ||
| But they're treating this virus like it's a demon. | ||
| No, it's so silly. | ||
| It's just a virus. | ||
| It's not that much different from other viruses. | ||
| It's just contagious, and it's bad if you get it. | ||
| But I guess it's the lawyers. | ||
| The lawyers are probably... | ||
| It's got to be the lawyers saying, listen, you're going to be liable, blah, blah, blah. | ||
| But they're loosening things up. | ||
| It's more loose now than it's ever been before, particularly in Vegas. | ||
| They're looser. | ||
| They're getting better? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Man, the last time we were there, it was... | ||
| When we were there in December, was it December or November? | ||
| December. | ||
| December, yeah. | ||
| That was the worst one. | ||
| We couldn't go out on our own. | ||
| They had to go with us. | ||
| It's like if we went to the grocery store, they're driving you there in the car. | ||
| You couldn't take an Uber. | ||
| So December was worse than the other months that we were there, but I hope you're right. | ||
| I hope it is better. | ||
| Well, look, kudos to the UFC just for doing it. | ||
| When they first started doing it, when was the first fights? | ||
| April or some shit? | ||
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May? | |
| It was May. | ||
| When they first started having the first fights in Florida, everybody was like, you're going to kill everybody! | ||
| Everyone was so scared. | ||
| It was such a weird thing that they were deciding to do this. | ||
| But now every sport does it. | ||
| After a while, they're like, look, we've got to live. | ||
| Yeah, I was happy. | ||
| Well, you've got to make money. | ||
| It's like money makes the world go around, and it's like the money stops. | ||
| Guess what? | ||
| You've got to pay for all this stuff. | ||
| In the world, you have to make money. | ||
| And it's like shutting down the world is not a solution. | ||
| Also, if you're a 25-year-old fighter, you're in your fucking prime, and now you're going to lose a whole year of competition. | ||
| If you're in California, you're really going to lose a whole year of training. | ||
| Because, like, how, unless you're just lying and locking the door. | ||
| And that's what they have to do. | ||
| They have to. | ||
| They have to. | ||
| You're not allowed to train. | ||
| Like, your jujitsu just goes away. | ||
| Yeah, it's like Muhammad Ali. | ||
| Muhammad Ali lost three years for the war. | ||
| And it's like, and he never looked the same. | ||
| Never looked the same. | ||
| Never looked the same. | ||
| It's like when he, you know, when he was beating up Floyd Patterson or, who was that other guy that wouldn't call him Muhammad Ali? | ||
| You know, referred to him as Cassius Clay and he just beat the shit out of him for 15 rounds. | ||
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Yeah, yeah. | |
| And then the Cleveland Big Cat Williams fight, which is the last fight before they took away his title for three years. | ||
| But then when he came back fighting Jerry Quarry, his body just never looked the same. | ||
| It looked soft. | ||
| It just didn't look the same. | ||
| I read that he didn't train. | ||
| Yeah, for three years at all. | ||
| He didn't run. | ||
| He didn't do anything. | ||
| And it's like his first day back, he walks into the gym, puts on his gloves and went and sparred one of the contenders and beat the shit out of him. | ||
| Okay, I'm good. | ||
| I'll fight. | ||
| And, you know, it's like, this is another very, very special athlete. | ||
| You know, it's like, what the fuck? | ||
| You know, how does this work? | ||
| You know, that you take three years off and you come back and you're still going to beat up most everybody. | ||
| It's too bad that he took that time off. | ||
| Yeah, it's unfortunate. | ||
| It's horrible that he stole from 27 to 30. Right. | ||
| The prime of his career. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| But this is like... | ||
| That would suck. | ||
| With COVID, it's such a strange thing that in California, they literally don't allow you to train. | ||
| It's not like you could all get tested and then train. | ||
| If they just had that rapid antigen test at the desk, you have to wait 15 minutes before you can train. | ||
| What's that cost, though? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I think they get it down to about $20 per test. | ||
| Yeah, but then you're adding that into your training costs. | ||
| Yeah, it's not good. | ||
| Lots of fighters couldn't afford to train. | ||
| It's not good. | ||
| No, it's not ideal. | ||
| But I feel like it's better than nothing. | ||
| Listen, you got a fever, you got a runny nose, don't come in. | ||
| It's like if you're healthy, you're not coughing, you feel good, come train. | ||
| Other than that, stay home. | ||
| Right, you're not... | ||
| Grappling in a nursing home. | ||
| No. | ||
| I understand. | ||
| If you've got a family that you've got to protect and stuff like that, don't come in. | ||
| Don't tell me I can't come in. | ||
| That's the thing, right? | ||
| It's the telling people what they can and can't do. | ||
| And who are the people that are telling you what you can and can't do? | ||
| And what are they basing it on? | ||
| Because a lot of it's not based on science. | ||
| Because if it was, they would not have ever blocked outdoor dining. | ||
| They wouldn't have stopped that. | ||
| Because there's no evidence that shows that outdoor dining is spreading it. | ||
| Did you see that lady in California? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, and then the movie thing opened up beside her. | ||
| Yeah, she had an outside thing that she had spent thousands of dollars to set up for her restaurant, and they told her she has to shut down, and literally when they told her she has to shut down, across the parking lot is this enormous setup for a movie theater. | ||
|
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Right. | |
| And they're eating outside. | ||
| No, not a movie theater, for a movie set. | ||
| Not a movie set. | ||
| Yeah, a movie set. | ||
| And they're eating outside because the movie unions, the filmmakers' unions, all the different movie companies, they spend a lot of money and they influence politicians. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And you know that they all want to... | ||
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It's dark. | |
| It's terrible. | ||
| Because it's like this lady spent, you know, I don't know how much money. | ||
| And she was barely hanging on. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Barely hanging on anyway. | ||
| Did anybody help her? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I think there was a GoFundMe. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, there was a GoFundMe that helped her. | ||
| But... | ||
| Fuck those people. | ||
| Fuck all those people. | ||
| It's going to be thousands and thousands and thousands of dollars that she's losing. | ||
| 75% of all restaurants in Los Angeles don't exist anymore. | ||
| Where do people go eat now in LA? Alberto's. | ||
| That's the thing. | ||
| Those fucking fast food places are still open. | ||
| A lot of bad, unhealthy choices are still open. | ||
| You can still go get carne asada fries. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| For real, those things are good. | ||
| I'm sure they are. | ||
| It's hard to get in Texas. | ||
| Have you tried to get carne asada fries? | ||
| I've not tried to get carne asada fries. | ||
| I generally don't fuck with fries. | ||
| What? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Fries? | ||
| I like a little every now and then. | ||
| I'll have one or two. | ||
| Fries? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Joe. | ||
| Fries? | ||
| They're just not good for you. | ||
| Listen, peanut butter man. | ||
| Joe goes on. | ||
| Joe goes on lots of different diets. | ||
| He'll do the all-meat diet. | ||
| He'll do the vegan thing. | ||
| You did the vegan thing for a little while, too. | ||
| Not really. | ||
| When I was in my Taekwondo days, I was a vegetarian for like six months. | ||
| Really? | ||
| To try to lose weight. | ||
| Was your Taekwondo days, was that during Fear Factor days? | ||
| No, it was before that. | ||
| This was back when I was a kid. | ||
| You know, Fear Factor? | ||
| Man, that's the first TV show me and my mom ever sat down and watched together. | ||
| Like, wanting to watch. | ||
| I'm not talking about her making me watch Lifetime shit. | ||
| I'm talking about who wanted to watch it. | ||
| Right. | ||
| It was a fun show. | ||
| Yeah, it was pretty cool. | ||
| You don't miss it? | ||
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No. | |
| No, no, no. | ||
| You wouldn't just do it one more time? | ||
| No, no, no, no, no. | ||
| It's over. | ||
| I did so many of them. | ||
| I did it for six years, and then I came back and did another six episodes. | ||
| Well, look. | ||
| It's a long fucking time, man. | ||
| I just wanted to let you know. | ||
| Had you told me this was my interview to get into a fear factor situation, when my transmission blew, I ought to put that bitch in reverse and drove it all the way here. | ||
| Tell everybody what happened. | ||
| Do you have a 67 Impala? | ||
| Yeah, I was smashing here. | ||
| Is it 67 or 69? | ||
| 67. No, actually it's 68. My bad. | ||
| It's a 68. 68. Beautiful cars. | ||
| Yeah, my Bel Air is a 67. The Impala is a 68. And I was driving. | ||
| I was going about 115. I was smoking. | ||
| And I started seeing all this smoke. | ||
| And I look around and I'm like, yo, dude, this blunt is hitting hard. | ||
| And I turn around and I'm like, oh shit, my car is smoking. | ||
| So I pull over. | ||
| And I look down on the bottom, it's a bunch of pink shit, and I'm like, oh, this is not good. | ||
| I taste it, and it's transmission fluid. | ||
| Okay, I didn't taste it. | ||
| That was on the way here. | ||
| Yeah, I was on the way here. | ||
| I was smashing! | ||
| I was going like 115. It was doing good. | ||
| Now, is that car set up to go 115? | ||
| Do you have real brakes on it? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, I got disc brakes all the way around. | ||
| I have beefed up the motor. | ||
| It's originally like a 350, 360, something like that. | ||
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It's beefed up to like a 404. So you're into cars? | |
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| I mean, I'm into spending money, Joe. | ||
| Dana White said those were money pits, and he was like, get that car. | ||
| So I was like, oh, money pit? | ||
| And you're telling me to get the car? | ||
| So yeah, I'm enjoying it. | ||
| And they look really cool. | ||
| And like, man, they turn heads, you know, and it's like everybody's watching me. | ||
| You don't have to tell me. | ||
| I love it. | ||
| I'm a big fan of those old cars. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I love them. | ||
| I love it. | ||
| I got a 75 Dodge Plymouth at the house too, a Duster. | ||
| So while this one's down, I'll probably just hop in the Duster for a few days. | ||
| Yeah, that'd be pretty cool. | ||
| When you came from Dana White's Tuesday Night Contender Series to the UFC, I don't understand why this is just me. | ||
| I like when guys talk a lot. | ||
| I like a lot of shit talking. | ||
| I think it's fun. | ||
| I think it makes people interesting, especially in the sport. | ||
| The more attention, the more conflict, the more personality that you have, the more you're marketable. | ||
| But there was some tension with the UFC in the beginning. | ||
| It was during the fight. | ||
| So it's like during the fight, so quiet on the contender, you can hear everything. | ||
| And Kevin's talking. | ||
| Kevin talks when he fights. | ||
| I like it when Kevin talks because it means that he's relaxed, he's doing his thing. | ||
| It's a good thing Dana did not like it. | ||
| I don't understand that. | ||
| Well, it's like, you know, Kevin, he felt like, you know, because I talked to Dana afterwards, and he's like, why didn't he finish him? | ||
| And it's like, well, there wasn't danger. | ||
| You know, it's like Kevin has to have danger. | ||
| If there's danger, so it's like the quality of it. | ||
| Kevin's going to, if the level of fighter is here, Kevin will fight here. | ||
| Okay? | ||
| If the level of fighter is here, Kevin will fight here. | ||
| Okay? | ||
| And it just keeps going up and up and up and up. | ||
| So the better the fighter gets, the better Kevin's going to fight. | ||
| If the guy isn't very good, it's not going to be a highlight reel knockout. | ||
| And that's nothing against the guy that we fought. | ||
| I don't remember his name. | ||
| But it's like that's nothing against him. | ||
| It's just at that time and stuff like that, he wasn't bringing out the best in Kevin. | ||
| And it's like Kevin kind of needs that. | ||
| He needs to have a little fear, a little danger. | ||
| The chance that somebody can do something bad to him in order for him to perform. | ||
| If not, he'll just fuck around. | ||
| Do you agree with that, Kevin? | ||
| Yeah, 100%. | ||
| I mean, I'm self-defense. | ||
| It's like Kung Fu, traditional martial arts, self-defense. | ||
| Jiu-Jitsu, it's supposed to be for self-defense. | ||
| It's like everything I do is self-defense. | ||
| So it's like if you're not coming at me and giving me a real reason to fight, there's no real reason to fight. | ||
| But you're telling us guys now, they're like, hmm, I don't want to get fucked up. | ||
| Maybe we'll just like... | ||
| If they chill, I mean, you know, the old me would chill. | ||
| The new me is like, I want all the smoke. | ||
| I finally realized, that's what keeps me good. | ||
| That's what keeps me going. | ||
| Just going out there and having a good hard fight. | ||
| It's not about who wins. | ||
| It's not about who loses. | ||
| It's not about none of that. | ||
| It's about going out there and having a great time. | ||
| This is a party. | ||
| March 20th, I get to be the life of the party. | ||
| That's the main event. | ||
| So we're going to go out there and make sure that everybody's pleased and everybody had a good party and we're going to have a good, good time. | ||
| You know, if we can do that again like six weeks later, perfect. | ||
| Four weeks later, even better. | ||
| Well, you realize also, if you like to spend a lot of money, this is the best way to make a lot of money. | ||
| Just fight. | ||
| And fight and be exciting. | ||
| Dude. | ||
| Like, the more exciting you can be, the more marketable you are. | ||
| But when Daniel Nett brought you back, when he was calling you Big Mouth, he brought you back... | ||
| Like, then you showed, like, regardless whether you talk too much, you can fight your fucking ass off. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And then, I can't imagine you almost didn't get into the UFC. Yeah. | ||
| To me, that's bananas. | ||
| It's crazy, right? | ||
| Well, look at how good he's doing. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And what a top contender you are. | ||
| It's fucking crazy to me that just because of talking... | ||
| Right. | ||
| Yeah, I like him talking. | ||
| You know, it's like, I've had other refs that, you know, like local Texas referees. | ||
| I don't like when referees tell you not to talk. | ||
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Don. | |
| Don Ternich. | ||
| That's not your job. | ||
| That's not your job. | ||
| Don Ternich, my guy Don, he hates it. | ||
| He's like, Kev, when I'm reffing you, just shut the fuck up. | ||
| No! | ||
| But why? | ||
| You're not doing anything. | ||
| There's no rules out there that say you can't talk. | ||
| Why do referees say that? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| It's a mistake. | ||
| Let them fight. | ||
| Jack Johnson fought. | ||
| When Jack Johnson fought back in the day, they said that he talked the whole fucking time. | ||
| It's like he's talking shit. | ||
| It's like one of the best boxers of all time is out there talking shit. | ||
| It's like, I like it that Kevin... | ||
| Muhammad Ali. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Who's fucking with you? | ||
| What's my name? | ||
| Bam bam. | ||
| It's like, what's my name? | ||
| This has always existed. | ||
| You ever played Domino's? | ||
| No. | ||
| I know people talking a lot of shit though. | ||
| I've watched movies. | ||
| It's part of the culture, baby. | ||
| It's what we do. | ||
| We talk some shit when we're having a good time. | ||
| You're competitive, you talk some shit. | ||
| You're having a good time, you talk some shit. | ||
| Conor constantly talks shit when he fights. | ||
| Khabib. | ||
| Let's talk now. | ||
| He's beating the shit out of him. | ||
| Come on, let's talk. | ||
| Let's talk now. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Yeah, I don't understand. | ||
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You think he comes back? | |
| I hope he comes back, selfishly, but I also hope he doesn't. | ||
| I hope he doesn't. | ||
| Part of me loves the fact that the guy retired undefeated, mauled everybody they put in front of him, barely lost a round his entire career, went out with a hard-fought victory over a fucking super-tough guy in Justin Gaethje, and that's it. | ||
| Great story. | ||
| It's a great story. | ||
| It's a good story. | ||
| I hope it's over. | ||
| Could be better. | ||
| I would have liked to have saw him fight GSP. That would have been fun to watch. | ||
| Him versus Usman, you think? | ||
| Wow, goes up to 170? | ||
| These days and time, you can't be the GOAT unless you're a double champ. | ||
| Fucking be a triple champ. | ||
| It's like, do it. | ||
| Do it. | ||
| Do it. | ||
| What's stopping you from doing it? | ||
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You mold everybody at 155. I think with him, it's a different story. | |
| For you, I think that's very, very true. | ||
| It's like, you know, the way that you think about things and stuff like that. | ||
| This is somebody that, you know, it's like really, really, really, like being undefeated was really, really important to him. | ||
| It's like, you know, it's just a different, he's a different, you know, kind of... | ||
| Floyd's undefeated too, but he's not the greatest boxer of all times, right? | ||
| It's arguable he is. | ||
| It's arguable he is. | ||
| I don't think so. | ||
| I feel like he is. | ||
| He's my favorite. | ||
| He's been hit hard maybe four times his whole fucking career. | ||
| You stop and think about how many fights he fought against elite guys. | ||
| Not just great defense, like the best defense of all time. | ||
| You're talking about a guy who's fought everybody. | ||
| He fought everybody. | ||
| He fought Canelo. | ||
| He fought Pacquiao. | ||
| Maybe he didn't fight Pacquiao when he was in his prime. | ||
| And maybe he fought Canelo when he was young and made him cut extra weight. | ||
| He did some smart shit. | ||
| But at the end of the day... | ||
| That's part of being a fighter though, right? | ||
| Yeah, at the end of the day, the fucking guy's 49 and Conor McGregor. | ||
| That's what he is. | ||
| That's what I say. | ||
| 49 and Conor McGregor? | ||
| Yeah, because it's kind of weird. | ||
| It's kind of weird. | ||
| Somebody like Sugar Ray Robinson. | ||
| You know, Sugar Ray Robinson. | ||
| Different. | ||
| Different time, different time. | ||
| He's lost it, right? | ||
| Yeah, he lost 15. I think Sugar Ray Robinson had somewhere in the neighborhood of 90-plus victories before his first defeat, though. | ||
| What is, like, how many? | ||
| Let's find out. | ||
| His first defeat was the, wasn't it the Jack LaMotta? | ||
| Jake LaMotta. | ||
| Jake LaMotta? | ||
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| How old was he? | ||
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Maybe. | |
| Was he out of his prime? | ||
| No. | ||
| That might have been his first defeat. | ||
| No, I don't think he got knocked out. | ||
| He got knocked out. | ||
| He got knocked out. | ||
| No, by LaMotta? | ||
| I thought he got knocked out by Billy Conn. | ||
| No, Jack LaMotta knocked him out. | ||
| Jake Lamada. | ||
| I don't think he knocked him out. | ||
| I think he beat him in a decision in the first fight, and then Robinson beat the shit out of him in the second fight. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Sugar Ray Robinson, they fought six times. | ||
| They fought six times, and Robinson won them. | ||
| I didn't know Jake ever knocked him out. | ||
| Robinson fought him, beat him the first time, and I think in the rematch is when LaMotta knocked him out. | ||
| I don't remember that at all. | ||
| And then in the sixth fight, he TKO'd Jake, but it was a standing TKO, and he never got knocked off of his feet. | ||
| And he was talking shit. | ||
| You stopped me, but you never put me down. | ||
| Never put me down. | ||
| Yeah, that was the St. Valentine's Day mascot, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, when he went through the ropes and he's like leaning, just getting pounded on the ropes. | ||
| Yeah, that guy had a ridiculous chin. | ||
| Crazy. | ||
| Eating shots like that from Sugar Ray Robinson? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Wasn't that at middleweight too when Robinson really started off at 147? | ||
| Yeah, I think it was lighter. | ||
| I think he started even lighter. | ||
| It was 44. See if he can pull up his record. | ||
| Sugar Ray Robinson. | ||
| Sugar Ray Robinson. | ||
| Boxing record. | ||
| His record's like 200 and... | ||
| Yeah, almost 200 fights. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| Why can't we get that many fights? | ||
| 250, something like that? | ||
| How come we can't get that many fights in MMA? Oh, it's more than that. | ||
| Well, in boxing, his 200th fight was... | ||
| Well, look at that. | ||
| 173-196 against Joey Archer. | ||
| That's his 200th fight. | ||
| Go back to his first loss. | ||
| Or go back to the Jake LaMotta fights. | ||
| You gotta go way back. | ||
| Stop her. | ||
| Those are all win, win, win, win, win, win. | ||
| Jake LaMotta. | ||
| So he beat him at 36-0 and then he lost. | ||
| Unanimous decision. | ||
| Yeah, I was right. | ||
| 40-what? | ||
| And then he beat him again. | ||
| Unanimous decision. | ||
| So he lost the unanimous decision to Jake LaMotta. | ||
| And then he beat everybody else up into a draw with Jose Barrosa. | ||
| Basora, rather. | ||
| So he made it to 40-0? | ||
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| Yeah, I thought it was a lot more than that. | ||
| So his 40 first fight, he lost. | ||
| That was his first loss. | ||
| And it was a decision of Jake LaMotta. | ||
| I guess Floyd really is a GOAT. I think he's the GOAT. You know, it's a different era. | ||
| Here's the thing. | ||
| It's like, you know, when you look at Mike Tyson, we just had this conversation yesterday on the podcast. | ||
| But I think Mike Tyson in his prime, when he knocked out Larry Holmes, when he was... | ||
| When he starched Marvis Frazier, like when he was just smashing everybody, I think he had reached this level that you can only maintain for a certain amount of years. | ||
| I think the same thing you can say for Fedor when he was in his prime, when he was running things in Pride. | ||
| There's a level that you could reach that you can only maintain for a certain amount of years. | ||
| And it's real hard because... | ||
| This is what I said yesterday. | ||
| I think if Muhammad Ali had been in the same era as Mike Tyson, he would have been better because Mike Tyson was around. | ||
| You get better depending upon who's around you. | ||
| And when you're in an era, you're kind of defined by your competition. | ||
| Ali was defined by Joe Frazier and defined by George Foreman and all the guys that he fought. | ||
| Ken Norton. | ||
| All those guys that he fought in his era. | ||
| But it's a different era with Tyson. | ||
| It's a different era now. | ||
| But you're also forgetting that he beat Floyd Patterson. | ||
| It's like before. | ||
| All the fights that he had before he came back. | ||
| But those just weren't competitive. | ||
| He was so fast. | ||
| He hit so hard. | ||
| Beating Sonny Liston. | ||
| Sonny Liston's... | ||
| He was a murderer back then. | ||
| Killer. | ||
| He destroyed Floyd Patterson. | ||
| Twice. | ||
| Twice in the first round, right? | ||
| You couldn't get hit by him. | ||
| You just couldn't get hit by him. | ||
| He had giant fucking hands. | ||
| A guy that was close, close to the mafia. | ||
| He beat all those guys. | ||
| It's Yep. | ||
| You know, it's like, so maybe if he doesn't have that three years off, you know, maybe, maybe, maybe, who knows? | ||
| Who knows? | ||
| But he did. | ||
| And it's also, he was a different cultural figure, right? | ||
| Because when you look at, like, his impact on society and civilization, he stood for something. | ||
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| He was a guy who was like, I'm not going to fight in this fucking war. | ||
| It doesn't make any sense. | ||
| They took his title away from him and the people loved him. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's a different scene. | ||
| Well, you had about 50% of the population hated him. | ||
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| And then 50% of the population loved him and thought he was the greatest thing ever. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's like, I ain't going over there to fight any Viet Cong. | ||
| They didn't do anything to me. | ||
| He's a very, very interesting figure. | ||
| And then you've got somebody like Joe Frazier. | ||
| Very, very good fighter. | ||
| Won the Olympic gold medal. | ||
| Was an alternate going into the Olympics. | ||
| And the alternate, you know, I forget what happened over there. | ||
| You know, he ended up not fighting. | ||
| Joe fought. | ||
| He won the Olympic gold medal. | ||
| They actually rematched as pros, and then Joe stopped him in the fourth or fifth round. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| And, you know, he was a beast, you know, and then George Foreman, you know, it's like that's a guy that didn't ever put on a pair of gloves until he was, I think, 19 years old, right? | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| You know, it's like 19 years old. | ||
| Think about that. | ||
| There's just not that many guys that have, you know, never put on a pair of gloves until they're 19 years old and then get to that level. | ||
| Well, that's the Deontay Wilder story, too, you know. | ||
| Is it? | ||
| Yeah, Deontay Wilder boxed for a year and a half before he won a bronze medal in the Olympics. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| George Foreman won the gold medal in the 70s, when it was even, I think, harder to win the gold medal because of the Cubans and the Russians. | ||
| You know, it's like they never went pro and stuff like that. | ||
| You had that. | ||
| Right. | ||
| To Phyllis Stevenson. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And so it's like, I think it was the 76 Olympics that he won the gold medal. | ||
| And he was like 24 fights as an amateur. | ||
| That's all the fights he had. | ||
| Never lost. | ||
| That's nuts. | ||
| And it's like, you know, just crazy. | ||
| He fought just 20 times as an amateur before traveling to Mexico City for the 1968 Olympic Games. | ||
| Amazing. | ||
| And never lost. | ||
| Think about that. | ||
| This guy's walking through guys like Joe Frazier and then he fights older Muhammad Ali and then gets knocked out in the 8th. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| He believed that he was invincible. | ||
| Arguably the hardest hitter ever. | ||
| What would have happened to Mike Tyson? | ||
| We might not have known who Mike Tyson was if he would have been around in those days. | ||
| Who knows? | ||
| Or Mike Tyson would have smashed him. | ||
| Yeah, you just don't know. | ||
| He was faster than everybody. | ||
| The thing about Mike Tyson as a knockout fighter, if you watch the Marvis Frazier fight... | ||
| I don't think he was faster than Muhammad Ali, though. | ||
| I don't think he was faster... | ||
| Muhammad's feet were so fast. | ||
| I don't think he was faster now. | ||
| You've got to think back to when he fought Sonny Liston or when he fought Floyd Patterson. | ||
| You've got to think about how his feet were then. | ||
| But the three years afterwards, I think he was faster than when he came back. | ||
| You think that Mike Tyson was faster than that version of him? | ||
| Yeah, I agree with that. | ||
| Yeah, that's what I'm saying. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But Ali was a different animal. | ||
| No one had been around before him. | ||
| There was a heavyweight that moved like that. | ||
| They didn't exist. | ||
| Well, Andy had probably the best chin ever. | ||
| Oh, an amazing chin. | ||
| He wasn't that heavy for a heavyweight though, right? | ||
| No. | ||
| The Olympic gold medal he won was cruiser, right? | ||
| Was it? | ||
| Yeah, he didn't fight at heavyweight. | ||
| He moved up to heavyweight when he turned pro. | ||
| Who was the English guy that knocked him down and they cut his gloves? | ||
| George. | ||
| No. | ||
| Yeah, it's George. | ||
| Was it George? | ||
| Yeah, it was George. | ||
| The English guy? | ||
| George. | ||
| I'm trying to remember. | ||
| He was a British gentleman who had a really good left hook, and he caught him with a left hook and dropped him and had him in all kinds of trouble. | ||
| There was a tear on his glove. | ||
| Tear on his glove. | ||
| George starts with an H, if I remember right. | ||
| They tore his glove. | ||
| Why'd they tear his glove? | ||
| He had a small little rip and his corner, you know, what's his trainer's name? | ||
| Tore the glove a little bit. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And they tried to find a pair of gloves and it halted the action of the fight for about five minutes. | ||
| And it gave Muhammad Ali time to clear his head. | ||
| And then they resumed the fight. | ||
| They never found another pair of gloves. | ||
| They put it on him in the middle of the rounds. | ||
| Think about this. | ||
| Wasn't it Henry something? | ||
| Yeah, Henry, Henry. | ||
| That's good cornering. | ||
| Henry Cooper. | ||
| There it is. | ||
| That's good cornering. | ||
| Yeah, it was good cornering. | ||
| And then he went out there and he stopped him on cuts. | ||
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| Yeah, he stopped him on cuts. | ||
| And I don't remember if it was the next round or the following round. | ||
| But he cut really, really easy. | ||
| They said his skin would just get bumped. | ||
| See if you can find that fight when Henry Cooper drops him because it's crazy. | ||
| He hurt him. | ||
| He looks dead. | ||
| His ass hits and he pops back up. | ||
| But when Joe Frazier dropped him, it's like his ass hit and he pops right back up. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| He looks dead. | ||
| His chin was incredible. | ||
| It's amazing. | ||
| But no one's got a crazier pop-back-up story than Tyson Fury vs. | ||
| Deontay Wilder. | ||
| That was crazy. | ||
| That looked like it was over for sure. | ||
| I remember I was watching it on TV. I was watching in bed. | ||
| I had my feet up. | ||
| And in the 12th round, I jumped up. | ||
| Oh! | ||
| Like, I thought it was over. | ||
| I'm like, he knocked him out in the 12th. | ||
| And when Deontay's going like this, and you see Tyson laying on his back, 7, 8, and then he just gets up. | ||
| I'm like, no way. | ||
| And then outboxes him the rest of the fight. | ||
| Then outboxes him. | ||
| He wins the rest of the round. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Crazy. | ||
| Remember when Randleman suplexed... | ||
| Fedor. | ||
| Fedor. | ||
| Yeah, and then Fedor got into Kimura. | ||
| Literally, it was like nothing happened. | ||
| It was like, and he rolls him over and Kimura's him. | ||
| It was like, what the hell? | ||
| The Terminator freaking almost died. | ||
| When he was in his prime, he was something really special, man. | ||
| He was so fast. | ||
| Remember when he fought Cro-Cop in a majority of the fight? | ||
| Yeah, the majority of the fight was a kickboxing match, and he was backing up Krokop, which is crazy. | ||
| Backing him up, because he was faster. | ||
| Crazy. | ||
| He was faster than Krokop. | ||
| And that was when Krokop was just at his peak. | ||
| Yeah, it was like... | ||
| He was a fucking assassin. | ||
| Left leg hospital, right leg death, or... | ||
| No, right leg hospital, left leg cemetery. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Remember when he knocked out Vandelay? | ||
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Oh, my God. | |
| Just dropped him and... | ||
| That head kick, that hurt me, watching that. | ||
| That was so painful. | ||
| There's a video of him when he fought Heath Herring, and there's a still from that video where you see his shin. | ||
| He dropped Heath Herring with a left kick to the liver, and you see his shin halfway into Heath's body. | ||
| It looked like it broke your ribs. | ||
| Just, like, sunken deep into his body. | ||
| Yeah, he's a big kicker. | ||
| Oh, my God. | ||
| Oh, my God. | ||
| Yeah, Heath fought Brock Lesnar when he first came in, didn't he? | ||
| No. | ||
| No, Alistair did. | ||
| Alistair? | ||
| Alistair fought Brock Lesnar. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| No, no, no, no. | ||
| Heath Herring did. | ||
| Heath Herring did. | ||
| Is that what you're saying? | ||
| Yeah, Heath Herring fought Brock Lesnar. | ||
| Heath Herring did, yeah. | ||
| Yeah, Heath Herring did, and he beat Heath Herring, and then Frank Muir tapped him. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, got him in that toehold. | ||
| I thought you were talking about Crowhop. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| That was Gabriel Gonzalez. | ||
| Oh, see? | ||
| Back it up so we can see the punt. | ||
| Oh. | ||
| Bro, he was in trouble. | ||
| Back that up again. | ||
| But just do it from the beginning. | ||
| Do it from... | ||
| It's okay, right here. | ||
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| That's the same left hook that Stylebender? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Stylebender got clocked with. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| God, let me find out the left hook is just the kryptonite of the greats. | ||
| Left hook is the left hook, man, no matter who the fuck you are. | ||
| Somebody lands one like that. | ||
| So you said you have this background in Kung Fu, but do you have someone that you work with that puts together your striking combinations and trains you in all the various disciplines of striking, or do you piece it together yourself? | ||
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| You just have fun? | ||
| Just have fun. | ||
| Just have fun. | ||
| He's got Suge that he's working with. | ||
| You know, it's like Suge's holding mitts and they're going through all that. | ||
| He goes down there and works with Bob down in Houston. | ||
| Bob holds mitts and then he spars. | ||
| So you don't have like a lead striking coach that like puts everything together. | ||
| No, we tried. | ||
| The guy just wouldn't stop drinking and... | ||
| Doing his own fucking thing. | ||
| Oh. | ||
| You know, it just didn't work out. | ||
| Could have been great. | ||
| Texas has got a lot of fucking talent. | ||
| It's really interesting. | ||
| I mean, you've got Charles Oliveira, who's out of Texas. | ||
| He's tough, man. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Fuck, he's good. | ||
| Yeah, he's tough. | ||
| Watching him do that to Tony, I'm like, I can't even believe what I'm seeing. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Just dominated every second of that fight. | ||
| It was bananas. | ||
| Tony's... | ||
| That's a different human. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He's like, Tony's tough. | ||
| Tough! | ||
| Mentally tough. | ||
| I think, you know, as far as talent, I think his toughness is way above his talent's pay grade. | ||
| Well, first of all, he never gets tired, which is bananas. | ||
| He gets in wars and never gets tired. | ||
| He's got an iron chin. | ||
| When Olivero got him in that arm bar and he wouldn't tap in the arm bar and then he tucks it under his arm and leans back. | ||
| Yeah, it's like, how did that not break? | ||
| It might have. | ||
| And then I was talking to him after and I was like, dude, that shit was crazy. | ||
| He was like, that amateur-ass arm bar. | ||
| That was amateur hour. | ||
| That's what Tony said? | ||
| I was like, how is that amateur? | ||
| You almost broke your... | ||
| Tony is so crazy. | ||
| I was like, you're right, Tony. | ||
| He just refuses. | ||
| He's tough. | ||
| Mentally, super tough. | ||
| Eddie Bravo trained with them. | ||
| He went to when they were out at Big Bear. | ||
| He said they were running hills, and Tony would literally lap his training partners. | ||
| Like, lap them up hills. | ||
| Uphills. | ||
| So he'd run to the top of the hill, come back down, and pass them as they were on their way up the first time. | ||
| Golly. | ||
| Just a crazy work ethic. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He's never seen anything like it. | ||
| He goes, the guy's trained six hours a day. | ||
| Hard. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Just can keep going, keep going, keep going. | ||
| Melanie, Melanie tough. | ||
| That's wild. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That would have been an interesting fight to see him versus Khabib, but the way Oliveira controlled him on the ground. | ||
| Yeah, I don't think it would have been interesting. | ||
| We wanted to know, you know, what would happen because Tony's dangerous off his back. | ||
| You know, like, submitted Kevin Lee. | ||
| Right, no, he's got good jiu-jitsu. | ||
| Nasty elbows. | ||
| He's tough. | ||
| He's very, very, very tough. | ||
| I think I'm more interested in seeing Oliveira fight for the title than anybody in that division. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| How do you think Oliveira versus Khabib would have went? | ||
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| Same thing that would have happened to everybody else. | ||
| You think so? | ||
| I think so. | ||
| You know, it's like Khabib's just too good. | ||
| I think, you know, Khabib's a go to that division. | ||
| For me. | ||
| I believe so. | ||
| I believe he's the goal of that division, but I don't know what would happen with Oliveira until you see it. | ||
| See, with Oliveira, there are moments when Cub Swanson knocked him out. | ||
| There's moments when you go back in his career and you go, oh, well, this guy's not the greatest. | ||
| And then you see him in some fights, like the Kevin Lee fight. | ||
| We submitted Kevin Lee, put him out, and then Kevin wakes up and thinks he's still fighting. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Submits Tony in a spectacular way. | ||
| He's so technical. | ||
| Everything's so good. | ||
| He's never out of position. | ||
| He doesn't force anything. | ||
| Everything looks fucking amazing. | ||
| His jiu-jitsu looks really good. | ||
| Oh, amazing. | ||
| It's amazing. | ||
| And you go, man, I want to see him fight for the title. | ||
| I want to see him fight Dustin. | ||
| I want to see him fight Conor. | ||
| I want to see him fight whoever else is in that division. | ||
| I don't think Conor's going to be a contender anymore, though. | ||
| I think that's it. | ||
| I think that's it. | ||
| You know, it's like... | ||
| I'm sure he'll make money and he'll probably fight a few more times if he wants to. | ||
| I think time has probably taken its toll. | ||
| Do you think that's it or do you think it's just money and motivation and spending a lot of time out of the sport? | ||
| I mean look, he's training for Floyd, so he's boxing for a long time. | ||
| Then he takes two years off, he's fighting Khabib, and then he beats Cowboy. | ||
| But just swarmed them, you know, swarmed them, jumped on them real quick, hurt them quick, and stopped them. | ||
| Cowboy was always a slow starter. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, it's like, I think it's just, you know, maybe it's time, maybe it's desire, maybe, I don't know, I don't have the answer, but I think the time has come and went. | ||
| It's easy to say that after you see the result, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But what's interesting in that fight is there's moments in that fight where he was having big success. | ||
| And he hurt Dustin at one point in time with a big left hand. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But that fucking low calf kick. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That low calf kick is a beast. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It changed the look on his face. | ||
| I think, me personally, I'm a Conor fan, so probably I go a little biased on it. | ||
| But I think it's more so that time. | ||
| You know, that time going to boxing and then coming over, first fight back, fighting Khabib. | ||
| And then you take time off and then you come back and then you fight Cowboy. | ||
| And then the pandemic comes. | ||
| You get a whole other year off and then you come back and you fight Dustin Poirier. | ||
| Let's think about his last few fights. | ||
| Let's think about his last three losses. | ||
| You got Floyd Mayweather, right? | ||
| Arguably one of the greatest boxers of all time. | ||
| If not... | ||
| Definitely the best defensive boxer of all times, right? | ||
| And one of the smartest boxers of all times, as far as how he did his career. | ||
| And then you lose to Khabib. | ||
| You say it's the greatest 155er ever. | ||
| Even won a round against Khabib. | ||
| Probably drunk off his whiskey as well. | ||
| Then you got the Dustin Poirier fight. | ||
| I think he's pretty serious about the Dustin Poirier fight, but I think at the same time, I think he's thinking bigger than what he was at the time. | ||
| I think he's thinking about boxing Pacquiao and doing all these other things that he does in there with, my hands are this fantastic, and it's time to show you guys that Max Holloway is not the best boxer. | ||
| He gets chopped at the leg, now it's hard to move. | ||
| It's hard to move, you can't. | ||
| It's hard to defend a takedown, it's hard to grapple, it's hard to box, it's hard to do anything. | ||
| Me personally, I never thought an Irish man could get knocked out until then. | ||
| Fucking crazy night. | ||
| I don't necessarily think it's over for the guy. | ||
| I just think the guy has to not take a rich person's approach. | ||
| I think he has to take more of an approach that he took back in the day when he was on welfare. | ||
| Go out there and get it. | ||
| Stop telling everybody what your training schedule is going to be and just fucking do what the fucking gym tells you to do. | ||
| Well, he was still... | ||
| He was pretty fucking rich when he fought Eddie Alvarez. | ||
| You know, he was already a multi-millionaire. | ||
| It's not... | ||
| I don't necessarily think it's a rich thing. | ||
| I don't know if that affects him that much, but I do think it's inactivity and I do think that Dustin got a lot better. | ||
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| At 145, Dustin was depleted and diminished. | ||
| At 155, he's fucking huge. | ||
| He doesn't even look like a 55er. | ||
| He looks like a 70. Yeah, he's... | ||
| His back is fucking gigantic. | ||
| And Dustin, look at Dustin's series of victories. | ||
| Look at the people that he beat. | ||
| Beat the shit out of Max Holloway, right? | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| But that was at 155, not 45. Right. | ||
| But still, you're still Max Holloway. | ||
| Yeah, he beat him. | ||
| He beat him for sure. | ||
| And beat him with what Max Holloway is best at, which is stand-up. | ||
| I mean, you see what Max Holloway did to Calvin Cater. | ||
| Jesus Christ, Max Holloway's stand-up is outstanding. | ||
| So he beats him. | ||
| For whatever reason, he looked a little bit slow in that fight. | ||
| Max did. | ||
| Yeah, I thought Max looked a little bit off when he fought Dustin at 155. Yeah, it's like he was a little bit slower. | ||
| It's like, you know, that last fight, he looked so fast in some of the other fights. | ||
| But it's also, he's fighting Dustin. | ||
| Styles make fights. | ||
| Dustin's fucking good, man. | ||
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Oh, Dustin's very, very good. | |
| He's fucking good. | ||
| But he's not Khabib. | ||
| He is good. | ||
| You think Dustin wins the rematch? | ||
| You think, hands down, Dustin again? | ||
| No, I would never say hands down. | ||
| You never know. | ||
| Because Conor did have moments in that fight. | ||
| He had moments in the first round. | ||
| And Dustin said there was a moment in that first round where he got his bell rung and he was in trouble. | ||
| Now, imagine if Conor connects again. | ||
| Imagine. | ||
| I mean, that's how fights are. | ||
| Lose Conor. | ||
| Weird things happen. | ||
| Loose Conner. | ||
| Conner who plays touch butt in the park is a great Conner. | ||
| He's moving and he's fucking throwing those spinning heel kicks and shit. | ||
| The thing is though, he's heavy on that front leg. | ||
| Wide karate stance. | ||
| He's always doing this. | ||
| He's always doing this. | ||
| When that leg is available for that low calf kick, that changes everything. | ||
| Changes your whole approach. | ||
| And Conner is also a guy that's never been known to switch back and forth. | ||
| He doesn't like to have left leg forward. | ||
| That's not a common thing for him. | ||
| So once his leg's getting chewed up, it's not like he's got that option. | ||
| He can fight just as good from orthodox. | ||
| No, and it's probably worse from orthodox now that all he does is work on his boxing. | ||
| The things that he probably used to do from a switch stance, different kicks, different setups, he's probably not there anymore. | ||
| He's probably a really, really great fighter from that one stance. | ||
| But now, when you take him outside of that stance, he probably becomes... | ||
| You know, almost like a C or D grade fighter. | ||
| Well, they're talking about doing that fight again, which a lot of people in that division are pissed. | ||
| Because they're like, well, what the fuck? | ||
| You guys are tying up the championship. | ||
| Do it. | ||
| Because it's not really the championship. | ||
| They don't want the belt. | ||
| Because the championship has not even been decided whether or not Khabib's going to step down. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| So then there's been talk, well, they might do it again, but they'll do it for the belt. | ||
| No, I think Charles and Chandler for... | ||
| Even an intern belt, just some type of belt. | ||
| Charles and Chandler makes sense. | ||
| People probably can get mad about that because Chandler's barely coming from Bellator over to UFC, but come on, dude. | ||
| He just knocked out Dan Hooker. | ||
| He didn't take him down and smash him, which we all thought he was going to do. | ||
| He knocked him out with that left hook that we talked about, right? | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Beautiful. | ||
| Long one, too. | ||
| Long left hook. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Touched him to the body with the right hand, then left hooked him. | ||
| The Bronx guy, you know, Charles, you know, he's been doing great. | ||
| He deserves to fight for a belt. | ||
| So him and, you know, Mr. Bellator fighting for a belt, I think it sounds good. | ||
| He makes more sense than even Dustin fighting for the belt. | ||
| Well, does that make sense? | ||
| Poirier's trying to make money right now. | ||
| He's not worried about the belt. | ||
| Yeah, it's like, you know, Andy lost to Khabib, so it's like, you know... | ||
| Yeah, but he lost to Khabib. | ||
| He almost submitted Khabib. | ||
| He had Khabib in a really tight guillotine. | ||
| He took him in a deep water for sure. | ||
| I'm pretty sure Khabib probably farted two times in that guillotine. | ||
| When you get choked real hard, it's like... | ||
| Then you pass over and you're good to go. | ||
| What do you do with Justin Gaethje? | ||
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Justin Gaethje just got... | |
| His performance... | ||
| I like Justin Gaethje, but his performance against Khabib was... | ||
| It was fucking embarrassing. | ||
| I don't know if it was embarrassing. | ||
| I don't think it was embarrassing. | ||
| I think it was embarrassing. | ||
| He fucking ran the whole time. | ||
| If I run like that against Derrick Brunson, that's a problem. | ||
| Don't run from somebody just because they're good. | ||
| But he's got to keep away to land those leg kicks. | ||
| Yeah, he was hurting them. | ||
| The leg kicks definitely hurt him. | ||
| Don't fucking jab. | ||
| What's wrong with the jab? | ||
| Nobody throws jab. | ||
| Don't jab. | ||
| I want you to remember that. | ||
| I want you to remember that you just said that. | ||
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Thank you. | |
| Throw the damn hook. | ||
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Oh, shit. | |
| Throw the damn jab. | ||
| Throw the damn jab. | ||
| Shit. | ||
| I set myself up. | ||
| From everything I've seen from Justin Gaethje and then that fight, I was like, oh, fuck that, dude. | ||
| You didn't like it. | ||
| I lost money on that shit. | ||
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Hell yeah. | |
| What do you think about Gaethje versus Chandler? | ||
| That's a good fight. | ||
| That'd be fun. | ||
| That's a good fight. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's a good fight. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's a good fight. | ||
| This is my thing. | ||
| Gaethje just has to go get a win. | ||
| Gaethje go get a win, then, you know. | ||
| Then he can fight for the title. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He gets a win, he fights for the title. | ||
| You know, it's like. | ||
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He looks good. | |
| Well, if he beats Chandler, that's a big win for him, right? | ||
| Chandler, Chandler. | ||
| He can't fight Dustin Poirier right now, though. | ||
| If Poirier was fighting for the belt right now, you would say that Justin Gaethje deserved to fight Dustin Poirier for the belt? | ||
| Poirier's already knocked that man out. | ||
| No, I would say if anyone's gonna fight for the belt, it should be Dustin Poirier versus Charles Oliveira. | ||
| That's what I think is for the belt. | ||
| That makes sense. | ||
| If Khabib says, I am done, 100%, I'm going to relinquish my belt. | ||
| I think he said that a couple times. | ||
| Yeah, but Dana won't let him. | ||
| Dana keeps waiting. | ||
| Dana keeps holding on. | ||
| I'm done. | ||
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No, no, you're not done. | |
| If you're Connor, you have to be so butthurt right now. | ||
| You know, like the guy that you just truly don't like. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Think about it. | ||
| Dana's letting him keep his belt and do everything that he wants to do. | ||
| You went up and got the second belt, weren't inactive or anything like that, and he made you give your shit up. | ||
| You're sitting there just fucking pissed right now. | ||
| And you can never even rematch him again. | ||
| You just got knocked out. | ||
| Khabib's never going to rematch you. | ||
| Well, Khabib is at the peak of his superpowers right now. | ||
| The peak of his superstar status. | ||
| The peak, I mean, worldwide notoriety. | ||
| He's at the peak. | ||
| The way he smashes Conor and the way he taps out Gaethje to go from there to just saying that's it. | ||
| And Poirier. | ||
| Yes, and Poirier. | ||
| Three in a row. | ||
| And that's three amazing guys in a row. | ||
| So for him to be in this situation where he's like, I'm gone. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| So many people are like, man. | ||
| But that's where the money is. | ||
| You're right there. | ||
| You could be making tens of millions of dollars per fight for so many fights. | ||
| And he's still in his prime as an athlete. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| How old is he now? | ||
| 32? | ||
| I believe he's 32. Maybe 33 at the most. | ||
| I would like to see the double champ status. | ||
| At 55, I don't feel like there's anything else to prove. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| It's like, he's ran through everybody at 55. I feel what Demetrius Johnson was saying about rematches, but... | ||
| That's a greater risk than the reward. | ||
| I feel like Usman's looking fantastic. | ||
| Never lost in the UFC, right? | ||
| Only one loss on his record. | ||
| He's looking great. | ||
| You go out there and you mull Usman. | ||
| Now there's no question. | ||
| You don't ask if Jon Jones is better than Khabib. | ||
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How much taller is Usman's a big fella? | |
| How much bigger is he? | ||
| He's got muscles that I didn't even know people had. | ||
| Doesn't matter. | ||
| When I was interviewing him, I'm looking at him on the monitor, I'm like... | ||
| I don't like Usman. | ||
| He's so shredded. | ||
| I don't like that guy. | ||
| How do you not like Usman? | ||
| He went to school in Arlington, right? | ||
| Arlington, Texas? | ||
| I believe so. | ||
| I think that's what it was. | ||
| How often do you hear him claiming it? | ||
| He claims Dallas. | ||
| That's not Arlington. | ||
| The Dallas Cowboys, they fucking play in Arlington. | ||
| So you don't like the fact that he doesn't claim Arlington? | ||
| Yeah, I'm just a different guy from a different place. | ||
| Where I'm from, you don't claim where you're from, you don't get respect from me. | ||
| He's a good fighter. | ||
| Yeah, it's good. | ||
| Just good? | ||
| Just good. | ||
| None of these guys are great. | ||
| You don't think Usman's great? | ||
| They all think they're great. | ||
| There's like a top of the mountain, right? | ||
| I was talking to Staubbender about this shit. | ||
| There's a top of the mountain. | ||
| Everybody thinks they're at the top of the fucking mountain. | ||
| There's no such thing as the top of the mountain. | ||
| If you think that you're at the top of the mountain, that means your mountain's stopping at a certain spot and somebody else's mountain's gonna get higher than that. | ||
| There's no such thing as the top of the mountain. | ||
| Usman's a very good fighter. | ||
| Great fighter? | ||
| No. | ||
| He couldn't go out there and win a boxing match. | ||
| He couldn't go out there and out-wrestle the best wrestler. | ||
| He couldn't go out there and do the best against the best of everybody. | ||
| You're not the greatest. | ||
| You're an NCAA Division II champ, right? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| So he won a championship. | ||
| Right now? | ||
| Well, I don't know about that. | ||
| No, now he's the UFC undisputed welterweight champion of the world. | ||
| Olympic gold medalist? | ||
| Well, that's Henry. | ||
| That's Henry. | ||
| No, he decided to fight in MMA. He decided to fight in MMA instead of pursuing wrestling. | ||
| I mean, I feel it. | ||
| My personal belief, this is just my belief. | ||
| It's okay for me to be wrong here. | ||
| This is just my personal belief. | ||
| It's like, nobody's great. | ||
| Nobody's great. | ||
| Nobody's fucking great. | ||
| When you retire, you can say you had a great career. | ||
| But nobody's great. | ||
| No such thing. | ||
| No such thing as greatness. | ||
| No such thing as greatness. | ||
| What about Mighty Mouse when he's at the peak of his powers? | ||
| Fucking fantastic. | ||
| As good as it gets, technically. | ||
| As good as it gets, technically. | ||
| He might be, in terms of ability as a mixed martial arts fighter, he might be the best ever. | ||
| What weight is he? | ||
| He's tiny. | ||
| 125, right? | ||
| Yeah, 125. What weight does Gervonta Davis fight at? | ||
| 30? | ||
| No. | ||
| 35? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Gervonta's 35. Who's 25? | ||
| Name a 25 boxer. | ||
| A boxer close to 25. Um... | ||
| I want Demetrius to go out there and outbox that guy. | ||
| Well, Mighty Mouse, you know, it's like, I mean, the thing with Mighty is, is I don't think, I think he's really, really technically really, really good. | ||
| I don't believe that he's near as athletic as, like, Henry. | ||
| No. | ||
| You know, it's like, he doesn't have the, you know, he's just not as natural of an athlete, and that's not a knock against him. | ||
| It's like, we're all given, you know, it's like whatever we have, or God-given talents, whatever. | ||
| You want to say, I don't believe that he was that physically gifted of an athlete. | ||
| I think he's very, very, very gifted. | ||
| He definitely is way above average, but he's not in the same realm as you. | ||
| Kevin, that's another reason. | ||
| That's another reason why they can't be great. | ||
| You can't be great. | ||
| Nobody has it all. | ||
| John Jones. | ||
| Great. | ||
| Fucking good. | ||
| Not great. | ||
| What? | ||
| Steroid allegations. | ||
| Fucking... | ||
| He has a loss on his record for not doing the right move. | ||
| At the end of the day... | ||
| Does he, though? | ||
| That's a lot of horse shit. | ||
| It's still there. | ||
| It's still there. | ||
| They tried to get that taken. | ||
| There's a couple decisions that I felt like I didn't lose, but it's still there. | ||
| It's like a loss is a loss. | ||
| A fuck-up is a fuck-up. | ||
| John Jones, he's probably the most physically gifted athlete. | ||
| And probably the smartest. | ||
| It's either you or him. | ||
| I've never trained with him. | ||
| I really think that he's probably the most... | ||
| I bet you Khabib's a fucking different type of athlete too. | ||
| The way that he can move DC around when they're wrestling, yeah, he has to be. | ||
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It's crazy. | |
| It's like a 155 pounder wrestling with a heavyweight. | ||
| Everybody in the gym says that. | ||
| Whether it's training with Luke Rockhold when Rockhold's a light heavyweight and he's throwing him around. | ||
| He's just a freak. | ||
| He's a freak. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But okay, but you know, it's like as far as like, you know, like Jon Jones isn't crazy, crazy fast. | ||
| That's his biggest hole. | ||
| He's not as fast as some of the other guys. | ||
| But he knows how to win. | ||
| John Jones knows how to win. | ||
| I really believe that he's very, very physically gifted. | ||
| What do you think about him at heavyweight? | ||
| It'll be interesting, right? | ||
| We'll just have to wait and see. | ||
| He's going the big route. | ||
| Getting big, getting strong. | ||
| Starting to look like his brothers. | ||
| It'll be interesting to watch and see. | ||
| Interesting to see how that affects his cardio, too. | ||
| You're carrying around legitimately an extra 30 or 40 pounds of body weight. | ||
| But he's got the frame to carry it. | ||
| Oh yeah, 100%. | ||
| Look at his brothers. | ||
| They're all huge. | ||
| He's doing a lot of lifting, though, but what's those legs look like, John? | ||
| It's the calves. | ||
| What's those legs look like? | ||
| The calves are crazy. | ||
| But he can do deadlifts. | ||
| He's deadlifting a lot of weight. | ||
| He's obviously got strong legs. | ||
| But it's crazy how small his calves are. | ||
| It doesn't even make sense. | ||
| It's just genetics. | ||
| It's like either you have them or you don't. | ||
| I know. | ||
| He just doesn't have them. | ||
| But it's weird. | ||
| You know? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But when you think about distributing mass over a 205-pound body when he was a light heavyweight champion, it actually was a great frame. | ||
| His legs are looking a little bigger. | ||
| Yeah, they're definitely looking bigger. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| He looks way... | ||
| There's that other scene where I saw him with his shirt off where he's like... | ||
| God damn, he's big. | ||
| Yeah, he's big. | ||
| No, he's getting big. | ||
| I mean, he's a legit 245 now, probably. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| That's a heavyweight. | ||
| He's a heavyweight. | ||
| He's a legit heavyweight. | ||
| I mean, Cain Velasquez, when he was at his peak, was around... | ||
| 230. Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Cain was smaller than that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That was crazy how Kane's cliff that he fell off of was so steep. | ||
| That was injuries, man. | ||
| I think his mind was so strong that his body just couldn't keep up with his brain. | ||
| Just injuries. | ||
| Everything started going south. | ||
| His knees, his shoulders, his back, his neck. | ||
| Everything. | ||
| Just slowly but surely it all started falling apart. | ||
| He's a beast, though. | ||
| Dude, when he was in his prime in the UFC, I maintain I've never seen a heavyweight like that guy. | ||
| The cardio that he had. | ||
| It was insane. | ||
| Didn't make any sense. | ||
| Didn't look natural. | ||
| Cardio like a 135 pound guy. | ||
| He's crazy. | ||
| He's huge. | ||
| Shoot, shoot, shoot, shoot. | ||
| Push, push, push, push, push. | ||
| Yeah, he'd put a pace on guys and you'd just see this look on their eyes like... | ||
| It's similar to sometimes when guys fight Khabib. | ||
| They have this look like they can't believe what's happening to them. | ||
| They had this idea of what the fight was going to be like when they were preparing for it, and here they are. | ||
| It's just they can't keep up. | ||
| They know they can't keep up. | ||
| It's not possible. | ||
| But okay, like with Gaethje, it's like when those leg kicks hurt him, and then all of a sudden there was another gear that he hit with that last leg kick, and boom, oh fuck, I'm not going to take any more of those. | ||
| I'm going to just put you on your head. | ||
| I'm going to take down this guy. | ||
| Yeah, amazing. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The sport is so interesting, seeing where the sport is now, as opposed to where it was 10 years ago, 20 years ago. | ||
| There's not a sport like it. | ||
| It's always evolving. | ||
| Always. | ||
| Dude, what do you think these kids are going to be like in 10 years? | ||
| I know, right? | ||
| It's going to be freaking crazy. | ||
| We might as well start talking about great then. | ||
| Pull up this video from Mick Maynard's account. | ||
| Mick Maynard has a video on his account of a little girl. | ||
| This girl looks like she's about three years old. | ||
| The one boxing? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And kicking. | ||
| And kicking. | ||
| And throwing kicks. | ||
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And, I mean, it's just insane. | |
| She's so good. | ||
| At like three years old. | ||
| Throwing perfect kicks, perfect punches, lightning fast. | ||
| I mean, maybe she's four. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| But she's tiny. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Look at this. | ||
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Look at this. | |
| Give me some volume on this. | ||
| Because this is crazy. | ||
| I did see this. | ||
| Look at this. | ||
| Come on, son. | ||
| I mean, what the fuck? | ||
| How old is that kid? | ||
| That's a tiny little kid, man. | ||
| It's crazy how this coach has a system together. | ||
| He has a little ball right there for her to kick and everything. | ||
| Imagine your kid fights this kid and you're thinking, oh, you know, how much do they know? | ||
| They're four. | ||
| This kid's sending four-year-olds to the fucking hospital. | ||
| And there's something about being Russian that scares me extra. | ||
| Just the language. | ||
| That was crazy. | ||
| They're hard people, man. | ||
| And you see that? | ||
| Four-year-old. | ||
| That's a crazy technique, though, right? | ||
| Poor Cam. | ||
| So when Kevin fought in China, you know, it's like we went over to China, we went to the Great Wall. | ||
| Kevin didn't go that day, but me and the rest of the corner guys, we headed up to the Great Wall. | ||
| Suge didn't go, but there was another guy with us, and he went with us. | ||
| So there was three of us. | ||
| Paul... | ||
| Justin and myself. | ||
| We go up to the Great Wall. | ||
| We walk around on it. | ||
| We do that. | ||
| Then they got a little place that you can have a drink. | ||
| It's not a bar or anything like that. | ||
| You can just buy souvenirs, but you can also buy alcohol. | ||
| We were just having a Coke. | ||
| I think I was having a Coke and the other guys were having maybe a beer. | ||
| And this guy comes over. | ||
| We're going to take a picture by the Great Wall. | ||
| And this Russian asks to take the picture. | ||
| And it's like, you know, I'll take the picture for you. | ||
| He doesn't speak hardly any English, stuff like that, but he's with a group. | ||
| And so he takes our picture and we sit back down and I was like, you know what? | ||
| That guy wanted to talk. | ||
| So I get up and I start talking to the group of them. | ||
| And sure enough, he did. | ||
| His son had trained MMA. He saw her ears. | ||
| He saw what we were wearing. | ||
| So we end up talking to him. | ||
| Pretty soon, they bust out the vodka. | ||
| So we're getting drunk at the Great Wall of China. | ||
| With Russians. | ||
| It's a big group of them. | ||
| We have a few shots. | ||
| It's like a tradition, I guess. | ||
| It's like whoever pours the vodka, they pour the whole time. | ||
| It was the guy that took our picture. | ||
| He's pouring everybody until the alcohol runs out and then we ride one of those little things down and then we go have more drinks. | ||
| Russians are just like us. | ||
| They just want to have a good time and have fun. | ||
| They were excited. | ||
| They were there with some UFC fighters. | ||
| We were there excited. | ||
| We were with some business guys from Russia. | ||
| They were very happy to be with Russians. | ||
| He was so stoked. | ||
| It was awesome. | ||
| Wow! | ||
| Oh yeah, she kicked my son's ass. | ||
| VASI.LISA2014. Wow. | ||
| That's pretty cool. | ||
| So she must have been born in 2014. Fucking talented. | ||
| Crazy. | ||
| Crazy how talented. | ||
| Because, you know, she can't even have been training for six years. | ||
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No. | |
| That's what's funny. | ||
| You know, she's six years old. | ||
| It's like, you only got six years. | ||
| To be that good? | ||
| Isn't it weird how kids learn shit so quick? | ||
| It's so quick. | ||
| Do you feel like, how old are you now, Kevin? | ||
| Uh, 28. Do you feel any different in the way you learn things now versus the way you learned things when you were 15? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah? | ||
| Honestly, yeah. | ||
| I notice the difference. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| I think I retain things better in a way, but at the same time, I think, uh... | ||
| I don't feel like I do certain things as fast as I used to. | ||
| I don't know if that makes sense. | ||
| That's crazy, because you're not even in your prime. | ||
| No. | ||
| You're like four years from your prime. | ||
| I can still feel the difference between things, though. | ||
| Yeah? | ||
| Yeah, A, the peanut butter. | ||
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Shelly did it. | |
| It's the fucking Pop-Tarts, man. | ||
| It's not the peanut butter. | ||
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The nutritionists are pulling their hair out. | |
| What is he saying? | ||
| It's not peanut butter. | ||
| So if any nutritionists want to talk to me about this, you know, holla at me. | ||
| Hit Joe up first and let him know I was right, alright? | ||
| Yeah, please do. | ||
| Please do. | ||
| Imagine if it was. | ||
| Hey, what's that thing over there, man? | ||
| That little... | ||
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Clock, I think. | |
| It's a clock. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| A gentleman named... | ||
| He's got an Instagram, TGT Studios. | ||
| And I had him... | ||
| This is the second one. | ||
| He built this one for the old studio back in L.A. And then he built this one for this one. | ||
| So how you liking Texas? | ||
| I love it. | ||
| Love it. | ||
| Love it. | ||
| That's good. | ||
| Love it. | ||
| You know, I'm a Californian guy myself. | ||
| I love it here as well. | ||
| Well, I love what California used to be. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But I know California's not California anymore. | ||
| It's not the same place. | ||
| Like, LA is not the fucking same place. | ||
| First of all, nothing's open. | ||
| You can't train. | ||
| You can't do a comedy show. | ||
| You can't go to a restaurant. | ||
| You can't sit inside at a restaurant. | ||
| There's like all the things that I used to love doing, you can't do. | ||
| It's just... | ||
| And homelessness is off the charts. | ||
| Poverty's off the charts. | ||
| The fucking streets, you drive down Hollywood, things are boarded up and there's tents everywhere. | ||
| They fucked that city up to almost beyond repair. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Are you training now? | ||
| I haven't been. | ||
| I haven't been since I got here. | ||
| You haven't? | ||
| I've been lifting weights and hitting the bag and stuff like that, but no jiu-jitsu. | ||
| No, but I want to. | ||
| I just have an issue I'm trying to deal with with one of my knees. | ||
| I have a pretty bad meniscus tear that I've been getting stem cell shots into and it feels pretty good right now. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| My goal right now, so we're here in February, I think by April, I think I'm going to start training again. | ||
| You going to go to Onnit? | ||
| Yeah, we have 10th Planet over here at Onnit, and then also my friend Todd White, he has a Machado school. | ||
| Nice. | ||
| So you're going to go the Machado way? | ||
| Well, that's where I have a black belt from John Jocks. | ||
| I have to train there. | ||
| There you go. | ||
| It's my lineage. | ||
| And Todd's a good friend of mine, too. | ||
| He's been on the podcast before, too. | ||
| You know, he's one of John Jocks black belts, and he's got a great place out in Dripping Springs. | ||
| What's the name of... | ||
| There's a lot of jiu-jitsu out here, though. | ||
| The whiskey that Bruce does. | ||
| Yeah, you had it on your show. | ||
| Bruce Buffer's? | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| Bruce Conti is a friend of ours in Fort Worth. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And they got the Texas Silver Star whiskey. | ||
| Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| We've had that. | ||
| Yeah, it's great. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I thought you made Bruce Buffer. | ||
| Bruce Buffer has his own whiskey. | ||
| Does he really? | ||
| Yeah, he does. | ||
| Yeah, it's called Puncher's Chance. | ||
| Puncher's Chance, Tiger on the label. | ||
| Yeah, he gave me a bottle of it. | ||
| I haven't tried it, though. | ||
| You haven't tried it? | ||
| I love that guy. | ||
| Yeah, he's fun, man. | ||
| He's always so nice. | ||
| Nobody gets me jazzed up for a fight like that guy. | ||
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When he's introducing Kevin Holland! | |
| It's like a fucking cherry, man. | ||
| He gets so red. | ||
| I mean, he fucking gives it. | ||
| He doesn't have anything left in the tank. | ||
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No, he's doing it. | |
| He drains the gas when he fucking introduces you, man. | ||
| It's awesome. | ||
| He had to love the pride lady, though, that screams. | ||
| Oh, yeah! | ||
| But I didn't know what the fuck she was saying. | ||
| I had no idea. | ||
| See, I understand Bruce Buffer. | ||
| When Bruce Buffer is... | ||
| Look at him, man. | ||
| I mean, come on, dude. | ||
| And plus, who's more stylish? | ||
| Like, the guy's always got the sharpest suits. | ||
| Look at that fucking jacket. | ||
| Yeah, that guy's always ready. | ||
| So sharp. | ||
| It was awesome, though. | ||
| Dude, we talked him into that. | ||
| There's a whole video. | ||
| There's a whole video of me explaining how I'm going to talk him into doing a 360. Oh, really? | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| I worked on it for like a year. | ||
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What's a 360? | |
| He would do this. | ||
| Like, he would interview... | ||
| Introducing... | ||
| Fighting! | ||
| Out of the blue corner! | ||
| He'd do this. | ||
| But he was doing like a 180 called the Buffer 180. I go, have you considered doing a 360? | ||
| So there's a whole video of us convincing him to do the Buffer 360. This is just the video. | ||
| But there's a video of me talking him into it. | ||
| And the video, it's like for a year, was trying to get him to do the 360. So he decided UFC 100, the big one, he was going to do a 360. So as he interviews Brock Lesnar, he does a 360. 360. He's doing a 360 roundhouse kick. | ||
| He jumped and stepped. | ||
| It's pretty wild, man. | ||
| You can watch him do it. | ||
| His antics, this is the one where me talking him into it. | ||
| The buffer 180, the buffer 360. I'm buttering him up. | ||
| I'm like, come on, bro. | ||
| You could do this. | ||
| This is a long-ass time ago, man. | ||
| This is 2009. Is that what it was? | ||
| So I'm like, man, I'm telling you. | ||
| Look, I'm wearing a tap-out shirt. | ||
| See? | ||
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I'm trying to get him to do it. | |
| I'm trying to get him to do it. | ||
| He eventually did it, man. | ||
| He eventually did a fucking 360. He said he wanted to do it again. | ||
| That's funny. | ||
| Well, he fucked up his ACL during one of his introductions. | ||
| He blew his ACL out. | ||
| No, I'm not bullshitting. | ||
| For real. | ||
| He only has one ACL right now. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I fought my whole career with one ACL. Really? | ||
| Yeah, I blew it out in the Ultimate Submission Showdown. | ||
| I was in the finals against David Adlon, and he had me in the lockdown, and I was just pushing forward and tore my own ACL. I lost my ACL in the lockdown, too. | ||
| I was sideways. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And instead of being like this, my leg was sideways. | ||
| My friend Will, he just extended the lockdown. | ||
| I heard, like a carrot. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| It didn't even hurt. | ||
| It was just weird. | ||
| I was like... | ||
| I didn't know what was going on, and I actually kept rolling, and I thought my knee just popped, and then I was in my office moving some boxes around, and my leg just went... | ||
| Did you get it fixed? | ||
| Ah, shit. | ||
| Yeah, I got it fixed. | ||
| You never got it fixed? | ||
| No, I never got it fixed. | ||
| To this day? | ||
| No, I don't have an ACL. Oh my god, but doesn't it give out on you? | ||
| No. | ||
| It's the only thing that was when I throw my right hand, it would hyperextend. | ||
| Yeah? | ||
| Like this. | ||
| That's it? | ||
| Which knee? | ||
| Your right knee? | ||
| My right knee. | ||
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Wow. | |
| So it doesn't bother you at all? | ||
| Not really. | ||
| It's better than my left knee. | ||
| What? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| What's wrong with your left knee? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| It's like nothing. | ||
| So is this showing him doing it? | ||
| Oh, that's it right there. | ||
| Oh my God. | ||
| Look at this. | ||
| Oh, shit! | ||
| He's like, what the fuck is this? | ||
| Yeah, he blew his shit out. | ||
| He kept performing. | ||
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He sucked it out. | |
| Look at these guys. | ||
| What is he doing? | ||
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He's doing karaoke. | |
| He heard it doing karaoke? | ||
|
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200 week. | |
| That's so much less impressive. | ||
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So much less impressive. | |
| 200? | ||
| I thought he heard it yelling. | ||
| Well, he's performing for a pump-up week. | ||
| Oh, wow. | ||
| And he blew his ACL out? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Oh, that sucks. | ||
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He stuck out the performance. | |
| That does suck. | ||
| But he never got it fixed. | ||
| So he can't really do the... | ||
| He can't jump up and swam himself like that anymore. | ||
| It kills your vertical. | ||
| No, it kills your vertical, man. | ||
| So you just never bothered to get it fixed? | ||
| No, I blew it out, I think, in 2002 or 2003. Whatever year that was. | ||
| That is so crazy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So it doesn't fuck with your meniscus, though? | ||
| Because your knee's less... | ||
| I had a surgery to clean it out, but I told him, don't fix it. | ||
| Why? | ||
| Well, because I was fighting. | ||
| It was right at the end of my fighting career, and it's like, that's a year off, and I just didn't want to take the time. | ||
| I've already fought all these fights. | ||
| All my UFC fights were without an ACL. I know Rico Rodriguez did the same thing. | ||
| Yeah, his would come out. | ||
| Justin doesn't have an ACL either. | ||
| Gaethje? | ||
| Gaethje doesn't? | ||
| Gaethje has one leg's fucked up. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Yeah, I remember Rico. | ||
| Rico would have to shimmy it. | ||
| Uh-huh. | ||
| Get it to pop back in. | ||
| But my worry would be that you're chewing your meniscus up because of the laxity. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, they went in and they trimmed it, fixed it, did a scope, and I haven't had problems with it since then. | ||
| They said I would, but according to them, I should have had it replaced by now. | ||
| And you train jiu-jitsu, but do you do other things as well? | ||
| Do you lift in weights or running or anything like that? | ||
| I run. | ||
| I run. | ||
| I lift weights some. | ||
| I do a lot of body weight stuff now, but I don't. | ||
| And I run. | ||
| I'm a fair weather runner. | ||
| I don't run when it's cold out. | ||
| I'll go outside and run when it's nice out. | ||
| I'll go train jiu-jitsu. | ||
| I'd rather do that than anything. | ||
| Yeah, well, it's fun. | ||
| Yeah, it's fun. | ||
| It's addicting. | ||
| I just can't believe that you could compete at such a high level with no ACL and that you could still train to this day. | ||
| Scrambles and shit? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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No problem. | |
| He scrambles good. | ||
| No problem. | ||
| It's annoying. | ||
| Yeah, but the neck is a problem. | ||
| The neck is a problem. | ||
| The neck's a real problem. | ||
| And have you looked into other methods of working with, like, the discs? | ||
| Like, they do stem cell injections into the disc now? | ||
| Yeah, I've tried some stuff. | ||
| I feel like, you know, I don't feel like anything helped. | ||
| You know, I had stem cells injected into it. | ||
| I didn't feel like it helped. | ||
| How long ago was this? | ||
| A few months. | ||
| Yeah, it wasn't that long ago. | ||
| It wasn't very long ago. | ||
| Oh, you gotta give it a chance. | ||
| Yeah, that's the problem. | ||
| Yeah, he gets something done and then it's like... | ||
| I waited the whole time that they told me to. | ||
| I waited the whole time. | ||
| 30 hours. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Just like three weeks they told me I had to wait. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And it didn't help. | ||
| Nothing. | ||
| He waited a week and then he went back to like teaching. | ||
| You know? | ||
| And he wasn't rolling, but he was, like, really aggressively holding people like this, you know? | ||
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It's like, it's not jiu-jitsu, but it's jiu-jitsu. | |
| And I agree that it's like, you know, when you show stuff, you know, it's like, you do end up using your head. | ||
| And it's definitely hard on it. | ||
| It's just hard not to. | ||
| You know, it's like, I can have somebody else teach, but what if they don't do it right? | ||
| You know, it's like, stuff like that. | ||
| They never do it right. | ||
| They never do it right. | ||
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And Travis looks, he's like, no, it... | |
| Yeah, your big toe's in the wrong area. | ||
| Let me just show you how it can be done. | ||
| It's like, okay coach, you just want to roll. | ||
| Well, I remember Charles McCarthy rolled with you when you guys were on The Ultimate Fighter and he said, he compared your jiu-jitsu to Ricardo Laborio. | ||
| Yeah, that was a nice thing to say. | ||
| He said, his jiu-jitsu's ridiculous. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, Charles is nice in that situation. | ||
| Ricardo Labarro, for the guys that don't know, it's like this is ADCC champ. | ||
| He won a bunch of others. | ||
| He's an all-time great. | ||
| He's an amazing legend. | ||
| I was there when he won the championship. | ||
| He barely spoke any English at the time. | ||
| That's crazy because he's so fluent now. | ||
| Yeah, it's like I met him at the Frankfurt airport. | ||
| And you saw the Brazilians and I walk up and nobody spoke English at the time. | ||
| Mario Sperry did and then he spoke a little bit. | ||
| And he was happy to practice his English on me and I ended up talking to him. | ||
| They gave me like an eight hour layover in that stupid airport. | ||
| It was terrible. | ||
| But yeah, he was super nice. | ||
| Nice, nice guy. | ||
| Do you miss competing at all? | ||
| Yeah, I miss fighting. | ||
| You miss fighting in MMA more than you miss jiu-jitsu competition? | ||
| Yeah, I mean it's like getting old sucks. | ||
| I wish I could still do the things that I could do physically. | ||
| But that's okay. | ||
| Time moves on. | ||
| It's not my time, no. | ||
| This guy's time, like Kevin's. | ||
| And this is fun, too. | ||
| Do you enjoy coaching? | ||
| Well, especially when you get a talent like Kevin. | ||
| I love teaching Jiu-Jitsu. | ||
| I love teaching Jiu-Jitsu. | ||
| Kevin's special. | ||
| Kevin's just special. | ||
| Coaching a lot of people is difficult, but Kevin's a lot of fun. | ||
| I'm super happy to have Kevin. | ||
| Sometimes. | ||
| Do you feel fortunate that you ran into Travis Luter? | ||
| I mean, you could have walked into any dojo, you know? | ||
| Yeah, I'm super lucky, super blessed, you know what I mean? | ||
| It's like, like you said, could have walked into anywhere, and it's like, who knows what life would have been, but it's like, my life is what it is today, I think a big part, because of where I ended up at, you know, it's like... | ||
| Yeah, Travis and Jim's done a lot for me. | ||
| A whole lot for me. | ||
| Well, it's just, I mean, when you think about guys in America, particularly, you know, we're talking about, what, 13 years ago when you first started? | ||
| Yeah, about. | ||
| That's, there's, you can't do any better, you know? | ||
| You just get different. | ||
| Different. | ||
| Different is a good way to describe it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, there's elite, high-level jiu-jitsu, and there's maybe a dozen of those spots. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| At that time, at least. | ||
| It's more so now. | ||
| It's kind of spread out now even more. | ||
| Yeah, but it's... | ||
| Okay, like in Brazil. | ||
| Brazil was the mecca. | ||
| It's like in the 2000s, especially. | ||
| It's like in the 90s. | ||
| You're going to have jiu-jitsu is just really, really hot. | ||
| And then a lot of those guys moved here. | ||
| You know, and then some of them have created their own, you know, where it's really, really good. | ||
| Some of them haven't. | ||
| You know, like some of these guys, you know, it's like the Atos, you know, it's like there's so, you know, Henzo's gym in New York is really, really good. | ||
| Incredible. | ||
| Yeah, there's so many good places to go train in America now that it's actually arguably probably better than Brazil. | ||
| You know, it's like because almost all the good guys came here. | ||
| There's still really good guys in Brazil, you know, and I'm sure you can find amazing training there. | ||
| But it's like, you know, American training is really, really good now. | ||
| It's pretty damn good. | ||
| You know what's crazy to me? | ||
| That Oliveira doesn't speak English. | ||
| Isn't that nuts? | ||
| He's been here forever. | ||
| He lives in Houston. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, he's been here for a long time. | ||
| Where does he train at all? | ||
| It's not a big-name gym. | ||
| It's not like a very famous place. | ||
| There's two different schools of thought, right? | ||
| There's one school of thought, join a place like American Top Team, you're around a bunch of assassins, you get better. | ||
| And then the other school of thought is, get individual treatment from a really highly specialized gym that focuses on you and keep getting better and better and better, and then you reach this elite level. | ||
| I don't know who's right and who's wrong. | ||
| You know, I've been to, like, Tiger Muay Thai in Thailand, you know, and they got really, really good trainers, but there's just so many people, you know, and it would be very hard to figure out even who you are, you know, being there and stuff like that. | ||
| Being in a smaller gym, you know, there's good things, but, you know, it's just finding one that's, you know, you have good people, and the other thing is figuring out, you know, it's like, you know, like, trying to figure out how to coach Kevin is really, really, I'm still trying to figure it out, you know, it's like, What's he doing wrong, Kevin? | ||
| No, it's not. | ||
| It's me? | ||
| No, it's like you have to talk to Kevin in a different way than you talk to other people. | ||
| It's like I'm very, very honest. | ||
| If I feel like you're doing something wrong, I'll tell you. | ||
| And with some people, that's not always the best option. | ||
| With Kevin, Kevin's gotten thicker skin through the years because he had to. | ||
| But it's like even ideas. | ||
| It's like, hey, I want to go do this. | ||
| It's like learning how to talk to Kevin and making sure that he's going to be on board with where we're going to go and stuff like that. | ||
| When the leg lock game took over jiu-jitsu, how much did you guys have to adapt? | ||
| Okay, so the leg lock game, there's been two phases to that. | ||
| You know, the leg lock game of the 90s, the early 90s, the leg lock game was really, really big. | ||
| I was doing leg locks a lot. | ||
| Like, when I went to ADCC, two of my matches to get there, to go to... | ||
| When I won the national tournament to go to ADCC in 99, I won two of my matches with leg locks. | ||
| And then I lost my first match against Caprito. | ||
| On a bullshit decision, I felt like I won the match. | ||
| You know, it's like, you know, whatever. | ||
| But I went for a whole bunch of heel hooks. | ||
| And the guy just wouldn't tap. | ||
| Comprito is long. | ||
| It's like, you know, he's about as tall as Kev and flexible and just wouldn't tap. | ||
| I thought I had him a whole bunch of times in the heel hooks. | ||
| And so I took him out. | ||
| I stopped doing leg locks. | ||
| I was like, there's going to be guys that you're going to run into that just are not going to tap to these. | ||
| We had some guys that were better at leg locks than I was that were training in Dallas at the time. | ||
| And so I just went to straight defense. | ||
| And it's like, I'm just not going to be there. | ||
| And so it's very, very difficult for you to catch me in a heel hook or a knee bar and stuff like that. | ||
| It's just difficult. | ||
| You know, it's not impossible and not anything like that. | ||
| But it's like it's very, very difficult because I just concentrated on defense. | ||
| Now the second coming of the leg locks is like Dean Lister. | ||
| Because there wasn't really a lot of people doing leg locks from then until Lister, and now you have Gordon Ryan doing them. | ||
| But Lister, he's a guy that fought in the UFC. It's like he won ADCC. He won not his weight class at ADCC, but he won the Open. | ||
| On leg locks, you know, he'd gotten beat early in the day and ADCC is a weird tournament because the matches are so long and the guys get so tired and the rules are different and stuff like that and so he gets into the open and he starts subbing people with leg locks and it's like And he did really, really good with that. | ||
| And then you got guys like Gordon Ryan who's come along and his leg locks are really, really good. | ||
| I don't rank him as far as... | ||
| There's lots of people that rank him the best ever. | ||
| No. | ||
| It's like you have guys like John Jacques who submitted his way through ABCC. You have guys like Hager Gracie who submitted his way through both his weight class and the Open. | ||
| And guess what, he also did it in the Gi that same year, or either that or it was the other year, because it was 2007 or 2008, he submitted his way through, in 2007 he submitted his way through ADCC, and then he also submitted his way through IBGJF Worlds. | ||
| You have to admit though, Gordon Ryan is what, 26? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Something like that. | ||
| 26, dominating. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He's won Abu Dhabi how many times? | ||
| Three times? | ||
| No. | ||
| Twice. | ||
| Twice. | ||
| Has it only been twice? | ||
| Yep. | ||
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| I mean, he's tapping everybody. | ||
| And he won his weight class. | ||
| He won his weight class. | ||
| And it's like he's tapped a lot of people, but like Shanji Ribeiro. | ||
| You know, it's like two ADCCs ago when he was in the semifinals, he went against Shanji, and it was a judge's decision. | ||
| You know, and then he won the finals. | ||
| You know, it's like, yeah, he did submit Cyborg. | ||
| Yes, he did submit some of these other guys. | ||
| But it's like he won a lot of decisions on the way through that tournament. | ||
| He didn't submit his way through. | ||
| Haja Gracie did. | ||
| You know, it's like he submitted his way not only through Cyborg. | ||
| I beat JJF Worlds, but he also did it through ADCC on the same year, or maybe it was a year off. | ||
| Well, there's no denying Hodge Gracie's greatness. | ||
| Yeah, and I'm not saying that Gordon Ryan's not really, really, really good. | ||
| I'm just not saying that he's in the same level. | ||
| It's a silly argument anyway. | ||
| It's a weird argument, but he's got a lot of room to grow. | ||
| I mean, that fucking guy keeps going. | ||
| He's got a lot of room to grow. | ||
| I was there when he lost right before he put on all the weight. | ||
| And he put on a lot of weight in about three, four months period. | ||
| I think it was Lucas Lepre at the ADCC trials. | ||
| I had a guy that was competing in the trials, and so I watched that match in person, and he just wasn't as good. | ||
| Then he came back, and he's 30, 40 pounds heavier, and he wins ADCC. And it's like, what the fuck happened? | ||
| It's like, how do you do this in this four months of time? | ||
| It's like, I've been lifting weights for a long time. | ||
| It's like, I can't do that. | ||
| Yeah, there's probably some Mexican supplements involved. | ||
| If I had a guess. | ||
| I like how you put that. | ||
| That's what I always like to call them. | ||
| Because you could go down to Tijuana and buy steroids at a pharmacy. | ||
| So when dudes get juiced up in jiu-jitsu, I would say he's on the Mexican supplements. | ||
| Mexican supplements, walk across the border, walk right back across. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Legitimately. | ||
| Look, man, he's undeniably looks good. | ||
| Have you guys adjusted your leg lock game because of the whole Donner and Death Squad? | ||
| Everything stayed the same. | ||
| I'm still doing everything the same. | ||
| Don't get caught. | ||
| That's my philosophy with it. | ||
| We have our guys in the gym that are good at leg locks and then the biggest thing is just don't get caught. | ||
| Is it going to happen? | ||
| Yeah, you're going to get caught sometimes. | ||
| It's like jujitsu. | ||
| It's like arm bars. | ||
| Particularly with the gi, right? | ||
| Jesus Christ. | ||
| Yeah, there's so many ways to lose. | ||
| It's like you're going to get caught. | ||
| It's like if you're training and you're not getting tapped, you're not probably training in the right gym. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's like Kevin's going to tap me. | ||
| It's going to happen. | ||
| His goal for the year is for me not to tap him. | ||
| That's his main goal on the year is he doesn't want me to tap him. | ||
| I haven't done it yet this year. | ||
| It's like if we're all within plenty, I haven't tapped him. | ||
| So it's like He's rolling with me more this year than he was last year. | ||
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| I'm like, fuck this. | ||
| It's just such a fortunate situation to be able to train with someone that's that high level, though. | ||
| Yeah, it's really nice. | ||
| It's everything. | ||
| Yeah, it makes a big difference. | ||
| Well, you got to know, right? | ||
| Like some guys, they don't get to train with someone that's that high level. | ||
| You don't know what it's like to get smushed. | ||
| No. | ||
| You know? | ||
| No. | ||
| You know, like when he went out there with Jacare, he wasn't scared. | ||
| Right. | ||
| He's like, I'm going to go out there. | ||
| I'm going to fuck him up. | ||
| Well, okay. | ||
| I want you to stay on your feet. | ||
| Stay on your feet. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| I'm going to fuck him up. | ||
| God damn it, Kevin. | ||
| Let's stay on our feet. | ||
| Stay on our feet. | ||
| First thing he does is get taken down. | ||
| I'm like, oh, fuck. | ||
| Oh, fuck, he's doing good. | ||
| This is great. | ||
| It looks really good. | ||
| Back on his feet. | ||
| Looking good. | ||
| Get taken down. | ||
| Damn it. | ||
| Still good. | ||
| Oh, fuck, he's asleep. | ||
| It's like, what the hell happened? | ||
| That's about how long it took. | ||
| That was crazy. | ||
| It was a crazy fight. | ||
| That was a cementing moment for you. | ||
| To knock out a guy like Jacare and to do it in such an unorthodox way, doing it off your back like that, that was an undeniable moment. | ||
| Yeah, it's pretty cool, but things like that don't happen all the time. | ||
| So, as long as you go out there and you can make something special happen against another high-level guy, then we might be talking about something. | ||
| But, like I said, the last one doesn't happen that often, so I have to do it two or three more times. | ||
| So, the Derrick Brunson fight, which is coming up soon, what are your thoughts on Derrick Brunson? | ||
| I mean, we talked about it a little bit earlier, but, you know, he's obviously a veteran. | ||
| He's obviously a guy who's been around. | ||
| He's fought Stylebender. | ||
| The Shabazzian fight in his last fight, I thought he looked fucking fantastic. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That was an interesting situation, right? | ||
| You got this kid who's 21 years old, super dangerous, real fast hands, look great, but never really been tested against a veteran. | ||
| And then you saw, wasn't really ready for that yet. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Brent's is good. | ||
| You know, his wrestling's good. | ||
| His stand-up's a little wild. | ||
| He hits hard. | ||
| You know, it's going to be a fun fight, but the problem is when he gets in there with the top-level guys, he hasn't had a lot of success, and we're just going to find out if Kevin's as top-level as I think he is. | ||
| You know, it's like... | ||
| You seen the Jenga? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| You know that part where he goes, you know, rude boy, there's only one out of 10,000 niggas, and you that one out of 10,000... | ||
| I'm that one out of 10,000. | ||
| We're going to find out. | ||
| It's closer to one in a million. | ||
| It's just different. | ||
| Do you feel like this is a pivotal moment in your career? | ||
| It can be. | ||
| It very much can be. | ||
| But me and Derek Brunson, we have a lot of words back and forth. | ||
| Do you? | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
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Kevin fucks with Derek Brunson constantly. | |
| But Kevin does this to everybody. | ||
| He's starting with you. | ||
| He's in Stylebender's inbox. | ||
| He's in everybody's inbox. | ||
| Do you DM these guys? | ||
| Yeah, all the time. | ||
| Do they go back and forth? | ||
| Some of them do. | ||
| Derek does. | ||
| Who goes back and forth with you? | ||
| Mike Perry is nice enough to go back and forth with me. | ||
| Does he? | ||
| I like that guy. | ||
| He's fun to play. | ||
| He fucks with him. | ||
| Brunson started it, though. | ||
| He told me he was going to slam me on my head, so fuck him. | ||
| And then... | ||
| You know, there's a few of them. | ||
| That was what he opened with? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I'm going to slam you in your head? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Chimayev doesn't go back and forth with me. | ||
| No? | ||
| How come? | ||
| That hurts my feelings. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| He says he's about that life. | ||
| That kid ain't about that life. | ||
| I see him at the PI. And I walked in. | ||
| I was like, that's my best friend. | ||
| He was like, you want to be friends now? | ||
| I was like, fuck no. | ||
| I was like, never. | ||
| I was like, we're best friends without being friends. | ||
| They were like, Kevin, there was a lot of them. | ||
| They were going to jump you. | ||
| And I was like, no. | ||
| I drove out here. | ||
| I got dildos in the car. | ||
| I was ready to fuck them. | ||
| That boy's not about that life. | ||
| Don't you think that, I mean, it's very unfortunate that he's suffering from COVID, that he's got this long-term situation where, apparently, when I've talked to doctors about this, I'm like, what is going on with that? | ||
| And they said, when you're training really hard, and then you're breaking down your immune system, and then you get COVID, you can get it real bad. | ||
| And when you get it really bad, and then you don't take care of yourself in terms of, like, don't give yourself adequate time to recover... | ||
| You go back in before you're really fully recovered. | ||
| And also, you're not taking care of all the inflammation issues that you have with your diet, with your supplements. | ||
| You hit a situation like him where he had to pull out of Leon Edwards' fight. | ||
| Imagine being fucking Leon Edwards. | ||
| One of the best fighters in the world. | ||
| Can't get a fight. | ||
| Can't get a fight. | ||
| Well, he's fighting Bilal. | ||
| Finally. | ||
| Finally, Bilal steps up right after winning. | ||
| I offered to step up that last time. | ||
| I offered to cut the extra weight. | ||
| Kevin was in there. | ||
| Inboxes again. | ||
| Hey, I'll fight him. | ||
| I inboxed Leon plenty of times. | ||
| He doesn't respond. | ||
| And the thing about it is, a lot of these guys can say before that I didn't have the followers so they didn't see the message. | ||
| Now I have the followers so you're seeing the fucking message. | ||
| You're just choosing not to respond. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| If we're being real here, half these guys who claim that they're fighters, they're fighters because it pays a bill and it looks good online. | ||
| It looks good on TV. Is that the case or are they being calculated about what risks they take? | ||
| You're not a fighter if you're calculating risk. | ||
| Really, though? | ||
| Do you think that's true? | ||
| I mean, if you're a first-year fighter, he's talking about other kinds of fighting. | ||
| He's talking about life. | ||
| He's not talking about his career right now. | ||
| He's talking about, for Kevin, all that stuff kind of melts together a little bit. | ||
| He's not necessarily saying that, yeah, these guys are for sure fighters, but they're not real fighters in Kevin's mind. | ||
| I understand what you're saying. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I get happy when I see these guys step up last second for a fight. | ||
| Like, seeing Bilal step up for that fight, I'm like, okay, there you go. | ||
| Don't fucking complain about how you're not getting upper fights when you don't really put yourself in that situation and get upper fights, you know? | ||
| When Chamayev knocked out Mearshart, I was like, holy shit. | ||
| I knocked him out with one punch. | ||
| I'm like, okay, now I want to see. | ||
| If he can do that, I want to say, how does he fare against a guy like you? | ||
| How does he fare against other elite 170 or 185ers? | ||
| Which is weird too, right? | ||
| That he's just bouncing back and forth between those two weight classes. | ||
| He's bouncing back and forth to the fights that make the most sense. | ||
| So he'll go to 70 for a fight that makes sense. | ||
| He'll come back up to 85 for a fight that makes sense. | ||
| You know, nothing wrong with it. | ||
| Good management. | ||
| Fighters who fight like that, very smart fighters. | ||
| I tip my hat off to them. | ||
| Them and their management and their coaches, that's great. | ||
| That's not me. | ||
| I'd never be that. | ||
| So props to those guys. | ||
| But it's like, if you go to 70 because this fight makes sense for you, smart move. | ||
| You go back to 85 because this fight makes sense to you, smart move. | ||
| I was impressed by the way he knocked out Mearshart just because he took the smartest route, which was keeping it standing. | ||
| And I thought the guy who liked the grapple was going to take it to the ground. | ||
| But knocking out Mearshart after Mearshart's coming off of Losses. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| And I know I smacked him a couple times. | ||
| I know Deron Wynn smacked him a couple times. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| And I know Ian Heinrich ultimately landed the last smack. | ||
| And I think if you add up those three people who have decent power and have been smacking him at 85, the head's just not the same as it used to be. | ||
| He's even fought Diago Santos, right? | ||
| You know, it's like you can't fight all these killers and take these type of headshots and think that you're gonna be okay. | ||
| If Jamiya has a little bit of pop, of course it's gonna look good. | ||
| I mean, smart. | ||
| Props to him for taking the smart program every time you go out there and fight a guy. | ||
| You know, it's like we both fought John Phillips. | ||
| I went out there and stood and banged with John Phillips. | ||
| Coach told me in the second round, okay, you already look good in the first round, go out there in the second round, take this guy down, choke him out. | ||
| He's obviously not trying to go away from punches. | ||
| Jemayev went out there, took him down, punched on him, punched on him, punched on him, subbed on him. | ||
| Smart, smart fighter. | ||
| Props to him. | ||
| But what happens when you can't go out there and take an easy, smart route? | ||
| What happens when a fighter's really fucking good? | ||
| That's why I wanted, like you said, I wanted to see the Leon fight. | ||
| I wanted to see that fight bad. | ||
| I was fascinated by that fight. | ||
| I would have took the Neil Madden fight. | ||
| Him versus Neil Magny, I would have been happy with that. | ||
| You can slowly work your way up. | ||
| I think he, you know, it's like after seeing Neil Magny being done the way he got done against, you know, Michael Chiesta, I think that Chemaev could have got the job done, especially being a big 170-er. | ||
| But it's like... | ||
| It's like, you know, I don't know. | ||
| And then you sit up here and you say it's sad because he has COVID and shit like that. | ||
| But they said I had COVID, you know, and if we're supposed to be athletes, you know, it's like, get the fuck over it. | ||
| Yeah, but you obviously had a very mild burst of it. | ||
| I mean, he's had it for months. | ||
| My girl had it pretty good. | ||
| Months and months now. | ||
| My girl had it pretty good and I was fucking her the whole time. | ||
| You know, it's like, so, you know, it's like, you know, it's like we all take it different, you know, different fighters, different heart, you know, don't claim to have that heart if you ain't got it. | ||
| Don't you think it's just like a disease, though? | ||
| I mean, some people just have a harder time with a disease. | ||
| The flu sucks, you know? | ||
| Michael Jordan still went out there and won. | ||
| You know? | ||
| Difference, you know? | ||
| I understand what you're saying. | ||
| It's a bummer. | ||
| It's a bummer that we don't get to do it. | ||
| Because it was so exciting. | ||
| You watched him. | ||
| He's fighting back to back. | ||
| He's trying to fight. | ||
| He's scheduling two fights at the same time. | ||
| I'm just sad because I really wanted to see the guy fight again. | ||
| Also, you wanted to fight him. | ||
| No, not me. | ||
| I don't want to fight that guy. | ||
| He's a monster, bro. | ||
| He's undefeated. | ||
| Smashing everybody. | ||
| He's mini Khabib. | ||
| I don't want no problems with that guy. | ||
| You know? | ||
| That's not true. | ||
| He was fucking with him the whole goddamn time over there. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You were asking for it when I interviewed you. | ||
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Yeah, I love it. | |
| I love it. | ||
| I take it. | ||
| Kevin had words with him, too. | ||
| It's like, Kevin had words with him, and then he said something to Kevin, pissed Kevin off, and then Kevin's angry. | ||
| But the boss has said on interview that we're in two different weight classes, and that we'd probably never meet up. | ||
| So I'm assuming that he's staying at 70, and I'm staying at 85. Maybe one day when he gets over being a little tired, he can get back in there and get some fights in, and we'll be okay. | ||
| Are there any other guys in the division that you want to test yourself? | ||
| Did you look at a guy like Yoel Romero and you want to test yourself against him? | ||
| I asked Yoel Romero. | ||
| The next thing I know, he's cut. | ||
| They were talking about, hey, you want to fight somebody in the top 15? | ||
| I'm like, shit, give me Yoel Romero. | ||
| Nobody else can fight him. | ||
| Why do you think they cut him? | ||
| Is that crazy? | ||
| It has to be money, right? | ||
| It has to be. | ||
| He was just making too much money. | ||
| Did you want to watch him fight after he fought? | ||
| Always. | ||
| After that last loss, I was like, okay, I don't want to watch him. | ||
| What, the Stalbender fight? | ||
| I always want to watch him fight. | ||
| No, the one after that, that he went up to... | ||
| Was it 205 where he went to? | ||
| Or was it the Stylebender fight? | ||
| I think Stylebender was his last fight, wasn't it? | ||
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Yeah, Stylebender was his last fight at UFC. You know, it's like he's a fun, exciting guy when he goes forward. | |
| I hate it when he fucking doesn't want to go forward. | ||
| Well, with Stylebender, I think he felt like he had to stay put. | ||
| But when he just stood still and Stylebender came forward, and then he blasted him with a big left hand, and you see Stylebender's look in his eyes like, oh, shit. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| Right. | ||
| Like, this is dangerous. | ||
| Like, this motherfucker is fast. | ||
| He's so fast, man. | ||
| Luke Rockhold said he feels like he's made out of metal. | ||
| Well, didn't, what's his name say that, too? | ||
| The Whitaker? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I think Whitaker said that, too. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Where it's like, you know, he said the difference between the first and the second time he fought him, he said it's like he's a different kind of metal the second time. | ||
| It's like, what the fuck, man? | ||
| Yeah, he's a tank. | ||
| A tank of a man. | ||
| That guy's story, though, is about Cuba and stuff like that. | ||
| That's a rough upbringing. | ||
| Do you know the story of him being examined by the doctor? | ||
| Did you ever hear that story? | ||
| Dana told me this story. | ||
| They bring him to the doctor after he gets a fractured orbital. | ||
| I think it was in the Whitaker fight. | ||
| He's got some sort of a mild orbital fracture. | ||
| The doctor calls the UFC up and goes, where did you find this guy? | ||
| And he goes, what do you mean? | ||
| He goes, he's a fucking specimen. | ||
| And they're like, yeah, he's amazing, right? | ||
| He goes, no, no, no, no, no. | ||
| Like, we've never seen anything like this before. | ||
| He goes, I've been examining people for decades. | ||
| He goes, the tendons in his eyes are three times larger than a normal person's. | ||
| It's like everything is weird. | ||
| Everything's weird. | ||
| The way he's built is just bizarre. | ||
| And we were talking about it, and the Cubans did some wild shit during the Soviet days. | ||
| Who knows what the fuck they were doing with their athletes. | ||
| Right. | ||
| They might have been, you know, doing some wild experiments in engineering. | ||
| The Russians did the same thing with Corellin. | ||
| Corellin? | ||
| I always called him the experiment. | ||
| Well, his parents are short. | ||
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Yes! | |
| Yeah, they're like 5'5". | ||
| And he's built like a fucking, like a superhero. | ||
| He's 6'5", and he looks like he's, you know, 200 pounds, but he's actually 270 pounds. | ||
| It's just proportional. | ||
| Yeah, moves like a cat. | ||
| But it's like, who the hell can pick up another freaking heavyweight and throw him over their shoulder like that? | ||
| Like nothing. | ||
| It's just a famous image. | ||
| I put it on my Instagram. | ||
| I look at this picture every six months to remind myself what a pussy I am. | ||
| Dude, it's like... | ||
| Have you ever seen the photo of Corella? | ||
| It's the scariest photo ever of a human. | ||
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I want to see. | |
| Yeah, we'll find it. | ||
| Just him lifting these guys. | ||
| I mean, he made his own move. | ||
| Yeah, he was heavyweight. | ||
| He was 270-ish. | ||
| Oh, he didn't fight anymore? | ||
| There he is. | ||
| That's the picture. | ||
| That's him. | ||
| So these guys would flatten out. | ||
| This is the move. | ||
| He looks like a demon. | ||
| Yeah, they would flatten out so that he couldn't pick them out because other guys couldn't pick them out when, you know, they're 300 pounds and they're flat on their stomach. | ||
| But he would hoist them up in the air like they were nothing and then dump them on their head. | ||
| I mean, his record is 802. Damn. | ||
| 800 and something and two. | ||
| Think about this. | ||
| In wrestling, in international competition, he's 800 and... | ||
| Wins. | ||
| And one of those two was Rulon Gardner, and it was just because they changed the rules, and when you break the hands, it counted as a point. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So you broke the grip. | ||
| It was an overtime. | ||
| It was an overtime. | ||
| So you get to start with this grip, and if they break the grip, and then he went to here. | ||
| But all the years that he was wrestling, his whole career, it was okay. | ||
| You could do this. | ||
| And it wasn't a point. | ||
| So it was just a bullshit point. | ||
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All right. | |
| No, it's like that's nothing to take away from Rulon. | ||
| It's like, I mean, this is really, really cool that he won that Olympic match and stuff like that, but it's still a technicality bullshit. | ||
| And that's his last match that he ever did. | ||
| And now he's just in a rush of happy... | ||
| What is he doing now? | ||
| I think he's like a senator or something. | ||
| He's probably throwing cows or some shit. | ||
| He looked in that photo. | ||
| He's not going to be happy unless he's throwing something. | ||
| How much meat do you think that guy eats? | ||
| I can't imagine. | ||
| It's like 270 pounds. | ||
| It's like, what the hell? | ||
| Plates. | ||
| Plates of T-bones. | ||
| I want to try that now. | ||
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Greco? | |
| Pick somebody up like that? | ||
| Oh, it's hard. | ||
| It's hard to pick a child up like that. | ||
| I don't think I can do my kids like that. | ||
| It's hard. | ||
| Spread your weight out. | ||
| They're stiff. | ||
| It's like you go, no, you can't do that. | ||
|
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What's the grips? | |
| He does this, and he's facing backwards on them. | ||
| He picks them up. | ||
| He's just absolutely freakish. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| Yeah, see if you can see the video. | ||
| Because he's done it to guys that are like 330. Yeah, and he just hoists them up like they're a sack of potatoes and just slams them. | ||
| And the impact of him slamming them... | ||
| There has to be a technique behind it. | ||
| Oh, for sure. | ||
| Yeah, you've got to be super, super strong. | ||
| But there's also technique. | ||
| I mean, you have to, you know... | ||
| But you have to be strong as fuck. | ||
| It's like a Turkish get-up, right? | ||
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Right. | |
| There's a lot of power in Turkish get-ups like this. | ||
| There you go, Kev. | ||
| That's a mild one. | ||
| There's some of them that are so ridiculous that when he hoists them up, that looks like a guillotine, man. | ||
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He was a fucking strong routine. | |
| He was so strong, man. | ||
| He was so strong. | ||
| And guys were terrifying. | ||
|
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That's it right there? | |
| Yeah, that's it. | ||
| See, they would flatten out. | ||
| This is it. | ||
| Boom. | ||
| They would flatten out so that he couldn't do this to him because that was what he was known for. | ||
| Look at the size of that motherfucker. | ||
| And he'd still pick him up. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Corrella was ridiculous. | ||
| These are the best wrestlers in the world. | ||
| This isn't high school. | ||
| This isn't anything. | ||
| This is what they would do. | ||
| They'd flatten out on their stomach. | ||
| International competition. | ||
| He's doing this. | ||
| Watch this. | ||
| He did this to 800 and some guys. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, he was just a monster. | ||
| Like a literal monster. | ||
| Look, up in the air. | ||
| You're going for a ride. | ||
| There you go. | ||
| Boom. | ||
| I'm like, fuck all that. | ||
| LAUGHTER I mean, imagine if that guy learned jiu-jitsu. | ||
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Oh my god. | |
| I mean, imagine that guy entering into jiu-jitsu tournaments. | ||
| And I believe he had a fake MMA fight. | ||
| Yeah, he did. | ||
| But it was fake. | ||
| It wasn't real. | ||
| It was one of them Japanese ones, yeah. | ||
| They loved that stuff. | ||
| That was so weird. | ||
| Remember when Mark Coleman fought Takata and he literally went pro wrestling style? | ||
| I'm not going to tap! | ||
| I'm not going to tap! | ||
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No. | |
| You gotta love Mark. | ||
| You gotta love Mark. | ||
| I love Mark. | ||
| Mark is one of the best humans ever. | ||
| I love him. | ||
| He's so awesome. | ||
| He's funny. | ||
| He's a guy... | ||
| He could have nothing left in his life and they'll give you his shirt. | ||
| He's a great guy. | ||
| And one of the greats. | ||
| He got everybody gaining weight. | ||
| When Mark Coleman was the UFC heavyweight champion, he got everybody gaining weight. | ||
| Because they were like, fuck. | ||
| You had to deal with this 265-pound gorilla who would just shoot doubles on you and he could headbutt you back then. | ||
| And there was no gloves on. | ||
| So he's headbutting you, ground and pound, and you couldn't get him off of you. | ||
| That just shows you how good Maurice Smith was. | ||
| Because Maurice Smith beat him in his prime. | ||
| And he beat him with leg kicks and he beat him with endurance. | ||
| So Maurice figured out, because he was doing a lot of training with Frank Shamrock, and he figured out how to defend himself off his back. | ||
| He had a real good butterfly guard. | ||
| Realize how to hold on and just chop those fucking legs when he's standing up. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, I remember I was there because it was a giant upset. | ||
| And I remember why because I was standing by the side of the octagon and I heard him say, come on, Mark, ground me and pound me. | ||
| Come on. | ||
| He was talking to him like, boom. | ||
| I mean, this was at the time. | ||
| Look how big he is, though. | ||
| He's enormous. | ||
| But at the time, this was the most spectacular upset in the history of the sport. | ||
| Everybody thought that Mark Coleman was just impossible to beat. | ||
| He was so big. | ||
| And look at Mark's wearing shoes. | ||
| See that? | ||
| Yeah, he couldn't kick. | ||
| He had fucking shoes on back then. | ||
| Dude, Maury Smith was the shit, man. | ||
| You know what's funny? | ||
| I've never seen any of these. | ||
| You've never seen any of these? | ||
| These are good to watch, man. | ||
| These are good to watch. | ||
| This one is a really big one to watch because Maurice figured out how to defend himself off of his back and just took his time. | ||
| Look at Mark's wearing shoes. | ||
| He knew Mark was going to get cold. | ||
| And you could shoot. | ||
| You could get tired, rather. | ||
| You could kick with those shoes on. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| At that point in time, you could? | ||
| Yeah, because Pete Williams knocked Mark Coleman out with a head kick with shoes on. | ||
| With shoes on. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You could kick with shoes on. | ||
| Crazy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I think you couldn't kick like... | ||
| You couldn't throw a sidekick to the face. | ||
| I don't think you could hit him with the bottom of your foot. | ||
| No souls. | ||
| Alex Andreas in UFC 30-something, he got disqualified for kicking with shoes. | ||
| But that was probably after this. | ||
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They changed it. | |
| Yeah, they changed the rules. | ||
| They changed it. | ||
| Yeah, they changed a lot of shit. | ||
| Things got weird. | ||
| It's interesting to watch the evolution of the sport over the years and the rules. | ||
| Some of the stoppages. | ||
| There it is right here. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Boom. | ||
| Pete Williams. | ||
| Pete later became a chef. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I believe in Hawaii. | ||
| I think he's a chef in Hawaii. | ||
| You know Charles Rosa? | ||
| I think he's a chef. | ||
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Is he? | |
| Yeah. | ||
| He's a nice guy. | ||
| Very nice guy. | ||
| Yeah, he's a nice guy. | ||
| That was a big victory too, man. | ||
| God, my God. | ||
| That was huge. | ||
| Mark Coleman, back in the day, when he came around, he was the first really enormous wrestler that figured out how to take guys down and smash them. | ||
| You know what? | ||
| Wait, he wrestled in college? | ||
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What? | |
| At one? | ||
| 189. Wow! | ||
|
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189. You know, so it's like, guess what? | |
| D.C. was at. | ||
| You know, it's like in college. | ||
| He wrestled at 189. Wow. | ||
| He took second. | ||
| Is that Coleman? | ||
| No. | ||
| Looks like my size. | ||
| It doesn't look like him though. | ||
| Mark Kerr. | ||
| 189 pounds. | ||
| That photo. | ||
| That doesn't look like his face. | ||
| That's what's crazy. | ||
| Yeah, Mark Kerr was the biggest example of a real freak. | ||
| Did you ever see that documentary, The Smashing Machine? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Fuck. | ||
| What about Alistair Overeem? | ||
| He used to be small. | ||
| He fought at 205. Yeah. | ||
| Alistair was thin. | ||
| Yeah, he got KO'd by Chuck. | ||
| Chuck and Pride. | ||
| Yeah, he was thin back then. | ||
| Like, you look different. | ||
| But the Alistair that fought Brock Lesnar? | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| That's a big guy. | ||
| That's a great argument for supplements. | ||
| Dude, he looked amazing. | ||
| Like, you kind of want to see what a guy can do. | ||
| You know? | ||
| No more rules. | ||
| Just stick them up. | ||
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No more rules. | |
| Just juice it up. | ||
| Just fucking go at it, you know? | ||
| Juice it up. | ||
| I mean, he was a monster when he was a heavyweight. | ||
| You've got to think about that guy's career. | ||
| That guy won the K1 Grand Prix, which is insane, right? | ||
| He won the Dream Heavyweight Championship. | ||
| He won the Strikeforce Heavyweight Championship. | ||
| I mean, he won the Abu Dhabi Trials in Europe. | ||
| See? | ||
| All that and that UFC belt. | ||
| So elusive. | ||
| Yeah, eluded him. | ||
| Remember when he used to carry that hammer? | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| He had this hammer. | ||
| The demolition man. | ||
| Carrying this freaking hammer. | ||
| The theatrics in freaking Pride were awesome. | ||
| Do you remember when Kimo used to come on with a cross on his back? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| He would carry a fucking cross into the octagon. | ||
| And then Joseon, when he fought, he carried that same cross, or a similar cross, when he fought into the octagon. | ||
| This is a prop. | ||
| Dude. | ||
| Not only that, but you'd get exhausted. | ||
| How much does a cross weigh? | ||
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I don't know. | |
| A big-ass cross? | ||
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I don't know. | |
| It was a huge cross, too. | ||
| Was it like a real metal one or something? | ||
| No, wood. | ||
| No, wood. | ||
| Like a big-ass... | ||
| Look at this. | ||
| Look at that. | ||
| He's carrying that fucking thing into the octagon. | ||
| I mean, shit, that's got to be a 60-pound cross. | ||
| How fucking heavy that is. | ||
| You'd have to go to Home Depot and make that before you go fight. | ||
| They're not going to let you fly with that. | ||
| Yeah, you gotta... | ||
| I didn't even think about all that. | ||
| He's like taking it everywhere he goes. | ||
| That's such a good point. | ||
| You gotta actually build it while you're there. | ||
| It's like, oh shit, we gotta do our meal prep. | ||
| We gotta build the cross. | ||
| You gotta carry it into the octagon. | ||
| It's been crazy when you think about the evolution of the sport from 93 to 2021. It's changed martial arts forever. | ||
| Oh, for sure. | ||
| Forever. | ||
| For the better. | ||
| For the better. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| It's a lot more honest and stuff like that. | ||
| Oh, my God. | ||
| So much more honest. | ||
| I mean, still, you can see plenty of fake martial arts online. | ||
| If you go on Instagram, you can see some of these ridiculous guys with the chi touch and touching people when they go unconscious. | ||
| But back in the day when I was doing martial arts, people really thought that shit was real. | ||
| Well, there's still people that think it's real. | ||
| They're crazy people, but they think it's real. | ||
| What year did you start training jiu-jitsu? | ||
| 95, 96, somewhere in there. | ||
| Early adapter. | ||
| But I was in South Dakota. | ||
| I lived in South Dakota. | ||
| I was going to college in South Dakota. | ||
| There was no place to learn. | ||
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So it's like we bought the Henzo Gracie, Craig Kukuk sticks. | |
| What the heck? | ||
| VHS, you know. | ||
| Red outside plastic. | ||
| I had those series. | ||
| I just recently got rid of them. | ||
| Did you really? | ||
| Yeah, I held on to them forever because I thought they were cool. | ||
| I'm like, what am I doing with this? | ||
| Yeah, it's just stuff. | ||
| It's like history, though. | ||
| I had this box of VHS tapes from back then. | ||
| You got rid of them? | ||
| Yeah, I shouldn't have. | ||
| Yeah, so it's like I would drive down here. | ||
| So I would drive to Texas to train with Carlos. | ||
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Wow. | |
| So I did that for a year before I moved here. | ||
| And I moved here in 97. So I guess 96 or so is when I really started training. | ||
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Wow. | |
| Long time. | ||
| Yeah, those tapes were responsible for so many people's evolution as a jujitsu artist. | ||
| Yeah, because it was on. | ||
| It's like, Henzo did a good job. | ||
| Yeah, he showed you everything. | ||
| Because I remember a friend of mine was training at Gracie in Torrance. | ||
| And Hoist beat someone. | ||
| I think he beat Dan Severin with a triangle. | ||
| And so they were asking, how do you do a triangle? | ||
| And they wouldn't show him. | ||
| They're like, you're not ready for that yet. | ||
| It's like, what? | ||
| But you could go to these tapes and Henzo would show you how to do a triangle. | ||
| It's interesting. | ||
| Dealing with the Gracies is always going to be a little bit different. | ||
| Because it's kind of like the big mafia family of jiu-jitsu. | ||
| They have their little inner squabbles and all that other stuff. | ||
| It's kind of fun to be an outsider and watch everything. | ||
| Well, they need credit because they did really revolutionize the art. | ||
| They really did. | ||
| Their contribution, whether it's through Elio or Carlos or Carlson in Brazil, and then coming over here in Horian, starting off the UFC, and Hoist winning the UFC, and Hickson becoming Hickson, and being this legend that everybody's aware of. | ||
| Yeah, no, you're 100% right. | ||
| But then at the same time in Brazil, there was other sects of people training that was completely and totally separate from those guys because they weren't the only ones that got taught and they were doing the same things. | ||
| Even Lutre Livre and just Brazil in general, it's like having the fights that they had down there, those no-rules fights. | ||
| It's like watching Chuck Liddell fight Pele. | ||
| Yeah, with the Nets. | ||
| Remember that? | ||
| Right. | ||
| This is just a crazy time. | ||
| Yes, they definitely deserve credit and things like that, but there's more things happening than just them. | ||
| Yeah, there was more things happening than them, but they're a giant part of why Jiu-Jitsu got maybe like 90% of it. | ||
| They're huge. | ||
| You know, it's like Horian being part owner of the UFC or owning whatever percentage. | ||
| I think it was like 50%. | ||
| He owned it out of the first five, and then he sold it. | ||
| He sold it on the fifth one. | ||
| He sold his percentage away because they got away from it. | ||
| And the fifth one is when they stopped doing the no time limit stuff, and he didn't like that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's interesting, but even some of the stories that you hear about some of the training that went on before then, it's like with the Machados on how they left, because they got brought here by Horian, and they were teaching out of the same garage with Hickson. | ||
| All those guys. | ||
| For whatever reason, Chuck Norris liked Carlos. | ||
| He liked Carlos. | ||
| Then they eventually brought him out here to Texas and had him Teaching, you know, teaching him on the movie set, you know, or on the TV series. | ||
| Walker, Texas Ranger. | ||
| Walker, Texas Ranger. | ||
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Yeah, man. | |
| It's just funny. | ||
| It's like, you know, how everything worked out, you know, for Carlos and stuff like that. | ||
| It is crazy. | ||
| Did you ever get a chance to roll with Hickson? | ||
| I never did get a chance to roll with Hickson. | ||
| It's like I've met him, you know, a couple times, but I've never, never got a chance to roll with him. | ||
| I rolled with John Jock. | ||
| I've rolled with Higgin. | ||
| You know, it's like Higgin, Higgin, when I went to Abu Dhabi, it's like I'd won the qualifier. | ||
| I thought it was pretty good. | ||
| I trained with Carlos a lot and stuff like that. | ||
| And I'm warming up with Higgin, and Higgin made me feel like a little girl. | ||
| It's like, you know, he was just, you know, this is when he was at heavyweight and he fought Mark Kerr in the finals. | ||
| And it's like, you know, Kerr is massive, you know, 260 pounds with his high voice. | ||
| And it's like, you know, nobody can break this. | ||
| You know, this is his plan to win was he's going to put his hands around your hips and you can't break this. | ||
| And I'm going to win. | ||
| And it's like, and they did, you know, it's like Higgin, you know, but Higgin was just so good, you know, it's like, and I mean, John Jock is crazy good, it's like Carlos is crazy good, you know, but it's like, it was, you know, rolling with those guys is very fun. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, you were at the ground floor of a very special time in jiu-jitsu, really. | ||
| Yeah, I was very lucky. | ||
| When jiu-jitsu was entering into mainstream consciousness. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I was very, very lucky to have the opportunity to come here and come to Texas, learn from Carlos, and get to do some of the things that I got to do and stuff like that. | ||
| I started out at Hickson's on Pico. | ||
| And then I didn't know the difference between the Gracie's. | ||
| And then I didn't realize I was at probably one of the best spots ever. | ||
| And then I found Carlson Gracie's place was like 15 minutes closer to my house. | ||
| So I go, oh, I'll just go there. | ||
| Yeah, it's all the same. | ||
| And so I was going there, and I was there when Vitor was, they would call him Victor. | ||
| When they were calling him Victor Gracie. | ||
| Victor Gracie. | ||
| Yeah, I remember that? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So that was when I was a white belt. | ||
| That's really where I started. | ||
| It was John Iwano from Iwano Gies, you know, and Mario Sperry was there. | ||
| They had all the Carlson Gracie guys were there. | ||
| Carlos Pageto was there. | ||
| That was a crazy good team. | ||
| That had to be a good place to learn. | ||
| It was crazy, yeah. | ||
| And so then when that went down, that was on Hawthorne in LA. And when that went down, then I went to John Jocks. | ||
| So I've been at John Jocks since, I think it was like 97. It's crazy how you can grapple with that hand. | ||
| Amazing. | ||
| It's a thumb. | ||
| It's just amazing. | ||
| That thing is a weapon too. | ||
| It's like stopping a choke with that thing. | ||
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Right. | |
| It slides under your... | ||
| We all started making a fist like this to try to come in. | ||
| It's like John Jock is a crazy good athlete. | ||
| Well, you know what he did? | ||
| He also realized that because he didn't have that one hand to grab collars, he changed his game, and his game became more overhooks and underhooks, and so it was very easy to apply that game to Nogi. | ||
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Right. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| And that's why when he went, like, there was a lot of guys that went to Abu Dhabi, and they were looking for things to grab, and their game was severely diminished, whereas Jean Jacques' game was not diminished at all. | ||
| That's why that first year, especially, he had such good success and stuff like that. | ||
| He looked really good. | ||
| He's an awesome person, too. | ||
| I love that guy to death. | ||
| Kevin, when you look at your career, where you're at right now versus where you want to be, do you have goalposts in mind? | ||
| Do you have an ultimate destination that you want to get to? | ||
| Do you have guys on your hit list? | ||
| Or do you just want to keep fighting and keep getting better? | ||
| I'd love to keep fighting and keep getting better. | ||
| I mean, but if there's anybody on the hit list, I mean, a good, fun fight with Vittori would be nice. | ||
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With who? | |
| Vittori. | ||
| Marvin Vittori. | ||
| Oh, Marvin Vittori. | ||
| Getting this Brunson scrap out the way would be nice. | ||
| And then I basically just want everybody who likes to play all those games. | ||
| You know, the little games that I don't like to play or that I like to play and they ain't playing with me. | ||
| What games? | ||
| What do you mean? | ||
| Just, you know, the stylebender fight one day. | ||
| He don't have to be the champ. | ||
| You know, he could be in the backyard. | ||
| It wouldn't matter. | ||
| You know, I say I don't want that Dejamaia fight one day. | ||
| It would be nice. | ||
| All these guys, man. | ||
| I just want to fight. | ||
| You know, and I want to fight all those guys that are supposedly really, really good so I can find out how good I am. | ||
| You know, and it's like, and it's the only way to find out. | ||
| Do you have a time in your mind where you want to get out of the game? | ||
| Yeah, I'd like to be done at 34. There's other shit to do. | ||
| And he's been saying that for years. | ||
| It's like it's always been 34, it's never changed. | ||
| It's like he's been saying 34 for five years or so. | ||
| It's a good time because you're athletic, still in your prime, but not past it. | ||
| You're not dealing with the diminished body. | ||
| Yeah, there's other things to do. | ||
| One day my kid will have kids and I want to be a cool ass grandparent. | ||
| So, you know, fighting past 34 might fuck that up. | ||
| So I'll try and avoid that part. | ||
| Yeah, there's a lot of guys that you're seeing that are hanging in there a little bit too long, and that sad story repeats itself over and over and over again, and we've all seen it. | ||
| Yeah, and then the older you get, the more those new guys get to come by and make a name off you, and it's like, I want them to scream my name, come out of retirement, instead of... | ||
| I'll beat his old ass. | ||
| One or the other. | ||
| 34, that's a total doable time. | ||
| He's still got six years. | ||
| Kevin's not as good as he could be yet. | ||
| He still thinks he can improve on. | ||
| That's plenty of time. | ||
| He can make a lot of money in between now and then and life will be good. | ||
| As time gets on and you get closer and closer to a title shot and you get closer and closer to realizing your potential, do you think you'll ever change your approach and just enjoy doing things that are fun? | ||
| Or do you think you'll become more disciplined with strength and conditioning, more disciplined with your diet? | ||
| More disciplined. | ||
| It's happening naturally without me wanting it to happen. | ||
| But I think I'll always have a great time with this. | ||
| I enjoy it. | ||
| I'll enjoy it until I can't enjoy it anymore. | ||
| But I think you realize as you get older and as you get closer and closer to like the top of the food chain that there's these little differences that make, like obviously you're a great athlete, obviously you're a fantastic fighter, but would you be slightly better if you did something different? | ||
| Would you be slightly better? | ||
| They're making me want to. | ||
| They're making me want to. | ||
| He's doing it. | ||
| It's like a year and a half ago he wasn't doing a lot of the things that he's doing today. | ||
| He's way more disciplined. | ||
| It's like, man, I don't want to come in and train. | ||
| I don't have a fight coming up. | ||
| Now it's like he's in the gym all the time. | ||
| It's like a year and a half ago I don't want to do strength and conditioning. | ||
| I don't have a fight coming up. | ||
| Now he's still doing it. | ||
| He did it all last year. | ||
| He didn't have a problem with doing it. | ||
| He didn't complain. | ||
| It's becoming a new lifestyle. | ||
| But you haven't lost the joy. | ||
| That's the thing. | ||
| No, it's becoming a new lifestyle. | ||
| I really enjoy what I do. | ||
| It's more disciplined. | ||
| When I talk to my dad, he's always like, yeah, it's going to happen as you get older. | ||
| You just get more disciplined. | ||
| Yeah, it just happens. | ||
| It's just who we are. | ||
| That dog that's in there tends to leave a little bit. | ||
| You tend to... | ||
| You know, do things a little bit more like, okay, I probably should do this and I kind of want to do this. | ||
| This is a smart thing to do. | ||
| Yep, let's stick with that. | ||
| And it's like, but... | ||
| You know, it's like, it will happen. | ||
| I just won't rush it. | ||
| I won't make it happen. | ||
| You know, when it happens, it happens. | ||
| And I feel it happening every day. | ||
| And it's like, things are a little bit more like a job every day. | ||
| Do you do any, but you still love it? | ||
| I love it. | ||
| It's the greatest job ever. | ||
| I'd rather do this and flip burgers at Burger King. | ||
| Who wouldn't? | ||
| What do you do in terms of, like, recovery? | ||
| Do you do sauna, ice baths, massage, nothing? | ||
| You're laughing. | ||
| Nothing? | ||
| They try to get me to go. | ||
| I've done a decent job this camp of hitting a few places, making sure I get the recovery and stuff like that. | ||
| We get him to swim. | ||
| We get him to swim. | ||
| We consider that like a recovery workout. | ||
| He smokes weed. | ||
| That helps. | ||
| That helps. | ||
| Listen, that's a good coach. | ||
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Great coach. | |
| This is like my dad. | ||
| Because it helps him relax. | ||
| Right. | ||
| It helps him relax. | ||
| It helps him, you know, it's like, Kevin, you know, it's like, I really think it's like, you know, for Kevin, you know, he really needs weed. | ||
| Like, we realized that years ago. | ||
| I tried to get him. | ||
| I tried. | ||
| I like, listen, Kevin, it's illegal. | ||
| You're not going to be, I just won't fight there. | ||
| Listen, you have to want to fight in the UFC. I'm not going to fight there. | ||
| They test. | ||
| I'm not going there. | ||
| And then they started relaxing the rules. | ||
| Okay, I'll go there. | ||
| But it's a medical thing where it's like Kevin slows down the world. | ||
| It helps him relax. | ||
| It's like Kevin without weed is difficult. | ||
| We're all much safer with Kevin with weed. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| No, seriously. | ||
| I believe it. | ||
| It's really bad. | ||
| I always found it made my jujitsu better. | ||
| I really did. | ||
| I felt like I rolled. | ||
| Not my training, not learning. | ||
| Like teaching things, I'm not good at learning things when I'm high. | ||
| But when I roll, if I would get high and just roll, I always felt like way more in tune with what was going on. | ||
| Like open mats. | ||
| Yeah, just go out there and roll. | ||
| Baked as fuck. | ||
| Barbecue. | ||
| But if he comes in barbecued, if he comes in barbecued, then that's too far. | ||
| I'm just laughing. | ||
| He'll just be goofy. | ||
| It's like, that doesn't work for Kevin. | ||
| One hit, two hits. | ||
| Yeah, it's like, okay, what'd you do yesterday? | ||
| Okay, do that again. | ||
| Okay, what'd you do yesterday? | ||
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Don't do that. | |
| Don't do that. | ||
| That was bad. | ||
| A blunt before practice. | ||
| I've learned, like, a blunt before practice is perfect, you know? | ||
| But just don't get too crazy. | ||
| Yeah, it's when I go two or three blunts, I come in there and I'm like... | ||
| And then we're talking about the blunts, too. | ||
| It's like, we need to switch away from this. | ||
| It's like, you know, it's like, I'm like, you know, can you switch to this? | ||
| And he's like, no. | ||
| Edibles? | ||
| What about edibles? | ||
| Eh, I don't know. | ||
| It's like, maybe. | ||
| It's like, you know, but like, okay, well, it's like... | ||
| I'll just have Suge roll me a couple. | ||
| It'll be fine. | ||
| I'll use different paper. | ||
| Do you get massages or ice baths or anything like that? | ||
| I know a couple sexy girls. | ||
| I don't think that counts. | ||
| I mean, like sports massage. | ||
| Like a real massage. | ||
| Like someone who breaks your tight tissue up and loosens your muscles up. | ||
| In my legs, yeah. | ||
| Yeah, she... | ||
| Cha-cha-cha-cha! | ||
| You know, it gets action and we're good to go. | ||
| Getting Kevin to do that stuff is difficult. | ||
| Maybe when he gets a little bit older. | ||
| That stuff's for softies, bro. | ||
| Softies? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Or older people. | ||
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Really? | |
| One or the other. | ||
| Yeah, like you and I are older people. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Softies. | ||
| But what about sauna? | ||
| You don't do any of that either? | ||
| No. | ||
| There's no reason for the sauna. | ||
| I mean... | ||
| No reason. | ||
| We get him to swim. | ||
| We're happy with it. | ||
| We get him to swim. | ||
| Baby steps. | ||
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Baby steps. | |
| Well, maybe a year from now we'll come back and we'll be talking about sauna. | ||
| But it might be two or three. | ||
| Yeah, it's bad. | ||
| It's like, I used to think the foam roller was gay. | ||
| You know, it's like... | ||
| What are you doing with it? | ||
| Where are you putting it? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| No, you just need to look at it. | ||
| Why are you doing that? | ||
| I was like, girls do that. | ||
| Why are you doing that? | ||
| It's like, this is silly. | ||
| It's like, now he's using it some. | ||
| Not very much. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| A little bit. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I didn't like the resistance bands at first. | ||
| I used to be like, bro, that's for girls. | ||
| Like, give me some weights. | ||
| And he'd give me like five pounds. | ||
| He'd be like, do this workout. | ||
| I'd be like, five? | ||
| This ain't nothing. | ||
| Then I'd be tired. | ||
| I'd be like, oh, God! | ||
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So, you know, it's like, yeah. | |
| I don't know. | ||
| Baby steps, right? | ||
| Baby steps with Kevin. | ||
| We'll take our time. | ||
| Listen, Kevin, I'm a big fan. | ||
| I'm glad you came down here. | ||
| Thanks, bro. | ||
| Glad I got a chance to talk to you. | ||
| It's been really cool to call your fights and really cool to watch your ascension up the ranks in the UFC. I'm excited about this Bronson fight. | ||
| I'm just excited about your career. | ||
| Thanks, bro. | ||
| I'm appreciative. | ||
| I'm super happy to be here. | ||
| This is cool. | ||
| I can tell you are. | ||
| You're just a fun guy, man. | ||
| Fun people like you, they don't come around that often. | ||
| It's great. | ||
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Thanks, Joe. | |
| My pleasure. | ||
| Great to see you as well, Travis. | ||
| Awesome. | ||
| Congratulations. | ||
| Good luck to you. | ||
| Can't wait to see you again. |
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