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Feb. 15, 2011 - The Joe Rogan Experience
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JRE MMA Show #80 with Evander Holyfield
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joe rogan
Boom, and we're live.
What's up champ?
How are you?
evander holyfield
I'm great.
How are you doing?
joe rogan
I'm great, man.
It's a pleasure to meet you.
I've been a fan forever.
evander holyfield
Oh, good.
joe rogan
I've seen every single fight you've ever had.
So for me, it's an honor to have you in here, man, as a giant boxing fan.
All the way back to Dwight Kawi.
Saw you fight in the Olympics.
Saw everything.
Everything, man.
evander holyfield
Yeah, you did.
joe rogan
Yeah, for real.
And I understand you're going to do an exhibition now.
evander holyfield
Well, yeah, I'm preparing for one, you know, me going over to Japan and being able to go over there and see the Tawhon, whatever that...
joe rogan
Tsunami?
evander holyfield
Tsunami.
joe rogan
Yeah.
evander holyfield
And the point is in the tsunami, going over there and helping people, and I figured, why not do an exhibition?
joe rogan
Right.
So it's like a benefit for the tsunami victims?
Yes.
You look great.
You're in great shape still.
evander holyfield
Well, thank you.
joe rogan
You never got out of shape?
evander holyfield
Well, yeah.
Art of the game.
Yeah.
It's easier to maintain than rebuild.
joe rogan
Easier to maintain than rebuild, yeah.
But now, at your age, when was the last time you had a fight?
Was it 2011?
Is that what it was?
Yeah, 2011. So it's been like eight years, which is...
You were thinking of competing deep into your 50s, though.
evander holyfield
Well, yeah, the thing is that I'm always trying to stay in shape, but I really didn't want to get hit again.
joe rogan
Right, right, right.
evander holyfield
Like that, but exhibition, I could do an exhibition.
joe rogan
Who is the exhibition against?
evander holyfield
I don't know yet.
I'm thinking about, you know, I wanted to be Reddick Bow, because me and him are buddies.
Now, you could do it with somebody you're friends with, because they know that...
They're not going to hit you too hard if you don't hit them too hard.
joe rogan
Right.
So it'll be more of a sparring sort of deal.
evander holyfield
Yes.
joe rogan
Now, how often are you training now?
evander holyfield
Well, you know, I'm always training.
I shadow box.
I don't hit the bag, but I'm ready to do it now because I'm actually going to be performing.
I want to look good, but I don't want to get in a doggy-doggy fight.
joe rogan
Right.
You don't want to get into a war.
evander holyfield
Right.
joe rogan
You just want to have like a little exhibition sparring match.
Just a little...
Just combinations, not hit each other too hard, that kind of deal?
evander holyfield
Well, yeah.
We can hit hard to the body.
joe rogan
Right.
evander holyfield
And not the head.
joe rogan
Right, right, right.
Now, at this stage of your life, you know, it's been a while since you competed.
Are you worried that those competitive juices might get fired up again?
And you might want to actually fight again?
evander holyfield
No, I don't think I... I don't think I will ever go back in because I did everything I wanted to do.
I feel that I got as far as I wanted to get.
And, you know, I'm the only four-time heavyweight champion of the world.
Ever.
So I ain't got no reason to be mad with nobody about anything.
I think I had a great career.
joe rogan
You had an unbelievable career.
Yes.
Only four-time heavyweight champion of the world ever.
I mean, I can remember way back in the day when you were moving up from cruiserweight to heavyweight.
And it was one of the rare times where we were watching...
Back in those days, for folks who don't know, it was kind of taboo for boxers to lift weights.
evander holyfield
Yeah, it was.
joe rogan
And it was Mackie Shilstone that got you ready for that, right?
evander holyfield
No, no.
It was Tim Hallmark.
Yeah, Tim Hallmark.
joe rogan
Mackie Shilstone got Spinks ready.
evander holyfield
Got Spinks ready, yeah.
And I came after that, and the point of coming out to Mackie Shilstone, everybody thought about the weight, but...
Tim Hallmark would talk about flexibility, all the things you have to do when you lift weights.
joe rogan
Right, yeah.
Because everybody used to think before that that if you lifted weights, it made you stiff.
evander holyfield
Yeah.
And Tim was able to, he did everything with me to show me that That's just a myth.
joe rogan
Right, right.
evander holyfield
Condition is about, you know, heart rate and all this.
And then, you know, when you lift weight, you just got to do more.
joe rogan
Right.
It seemed like back then the problem was when people would lift weights, they would get sore and then they would go to the gym and they wouldn't perform as well.
And so everybody would say, oh, weights are making you stiff.
They didn't allow themselves to get through a full program with a real strength and conditioning guy like Tim Hallmark or Mackie Shilstone.
They were the first guys really to bulk guys up.
evander holyfield
Well, it's all about confidence and someone taking to another level, you know.
And I think that at that time, people just kind of In this level, this is all we know, and this is the only way we can go, because you have to work harder if you lift weight.
You're going to have to work harder.
With me, I was able to bring a ballet teacher in there.
I had ballet, too.
joe rogan
Did you really?
evander holyfield
Yeah.
That's the reason why I was able to still be flexible and being able to be quick and all that.
I did all that, but I ain't let nobody know I would do ballet.
joe rogan
I'd like to see some video of you doing ballet.
Is there any out there?
evander holyfield
No.
joe rogan
Did you wear a tutu?
evander holyfield
No, no, no, no.
I got stressed a lot.
Miss Kennett, that's her name.
I kept her to the day that she ended up slipping, breaking her hip.
Because she was like 70 years old when she was stretching me and had me doing all the splits and all this.
But it worked.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Well, you were one of the first, like, supremely conditioned heavyweight boxers.
You know, when you'd see, you were sculpted, you know, and you would be able to put that output out for the entire 12 rounds.
I mean, you had those incredible fights at Riddick Poe.
I know you guys are friends now, but god damn, did you guys have some wars.
evander holyfield
We had battles.
And I think the big thing, because...
He's kind of a bully.
He's a big guy, and he used to always look at me and say, a good big guy beat a good little guy any time.
And every time we'd go in and practice, I'd bust him up.
I was four years older than him, but he was bigger, but I was always good at him.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Well, you guys had some crazy fights, but the craziest one was probably the one where the guy landed in the middle of the ring, the guy with the parachute.
What was that guy's, what did he call himself?
evander holyfield
The fan man.
joe rogan
That's right.
He had a fan that was powering his parachute, and he literally landed in the ring.
That was in an outdoor arena in Vegas, is that what it was?
evander holyfield
Well, it sure was.
Held the fight up for about 30 minutes.
joe rogan
That was crazy.
evander holyfield
Yeah, because at that time, I had him hurt.
joe rogan
Yes.
evander holyfield
And it saved him.
joe rogan
Yeah, well, you had him hurt, and then everybody got cold.
I mean, you cooled off.
I mean, it almost seems like they should have canceled the fight.
evander holyfield
Well, you know, it was half of the fight.
If they cast the fight, then we're at the pairs again.
joe rogan
There's a picture up there.
Look at that.
What was going through your mind when you saw that guy land on the ropes like that?
evander holyfield
Well, it shocked me then, because when he did, the light started like this, and Curtis Mayfield had just got paralyzed.
Same thing.
The thing fell down.
joe rogan
Oh, lights fell on him.
evander holyfield
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Curtis Mayfield, he got paralyzed that way?
evander holyfield
Yes.
joe rogan
Oh, wow.
So you thought maybe the lights were about to fall.
evander holyfield
Well, yeah, and I was trying to make sure that I could make that quick step, get in or get out.
joe rogan
Right, right, right.
evander holyfield
Yeah.
Yeah.
joe rogan
So this guy, once you finally realized that it was a guy on a parachute with a fan behind him, how mad were you?
evander holyfield
Well, you know, I can keep my mind on him.
I got to keep my mind on Reddit.
Bo, that's enough.
Yeah.
Everybody asks me that, and I'm like, my mind, you know, you have to have a one-track mind, and you're going to be real good.
You're going to be the best.
You have to have that one-track mind.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Yeah, it's not something you can pay attention to, but was it hard to get your mind back into it after the settle, and they had to clear the guy out and arrest him and clean the ring out and everything?
evander holyfield
No, I stayed focused, and my whole thing is that You know, I felt that I won the first half.
joe rogan
Right.
evander holyfield
I got, now I got this next half.
joe rogan
Why did it take a half hour to get that guy out of there?
evander holyfield
You know, you know, you know, really both wife were there.
She was pregnant and she had to leave and all this.
So many things happened because the guy happened to come over Farrakhan.
And, and, and so all these people, they don't beat the poor man in the head.
I'll knock them out.
He got a really good beam for coming in.
joe rogan
I hope he did.
evander holyfield
Yeah, he did.
joe rogan
Is he still in jail?
evander holyfield
No, no, no.
He passed now.
joe rogan
Oh, he's gone?
evander holyfield
Yeah.
joe rogan
Oh, well.
I guess that's his legacy.
He fucked up your fight.
That's his legacy.
evander holyfield
You're right, but...
I won!
joe rogan
Yes, you did.
Yeah.
I mean, look, man, you had some incredible fights, but to me, one of my fondest memories is, you know who Kevin James is from the King of Queens, the TV show?
Me and Kevin James were at my house in Encino the night you fought Tyson, the first one, the first fight, when you dropped Tyson.
I'll never forget it because back then, I mean, we knew that Buster Douglas had beaten Tyson, but we kind of almost thought it was like a fluke.
But when you were battering Tyson and then you put him down and stopped him, I'll never forget Kevin James jumping off the couch.
Just jumping.
Oh my God!
We're throwing our arms up in the air.
I mean, that was for sure one of the greatest heavyweight championship victories in the history of the sport.
It was just an incredible fight because in a lot of people's eyes, Tyson was like this...
A bad guy.
People thought of him as a thug.
And you were thought of as this really good guy.
And many people didn't think that you were going to be able to beat him.
So when you didn't just beat him, but you took it to him, you took it to him.
Early on in the fight, you could tell that you had decided you were going to push him around.
And once you had stopped him, that was pandemonium.
In my house, everybody was going crazy.
They couldn't believe it.
evander holyfield
Well, you know, I'm like, you know, I'm a Christian.
But the point of the matter, I work hard.
I train hard.
And, you know, my mama said, ain't too many things that you do well.
So, son, you know, which one of the sports are you going to do?
Because I was a good athlete.
I could...
But football and boxing was my two best ones.
But, you know, I played basketball, I did baseball, I did everything.
My mama said, ain't enough time in the day to be the best.
joe rogan
At everything.
evander holyfield
Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
She said, so you got to pick one.
So when I played football in 10th grade and they put me on the bench, I started crying.
My mama said, you can't quit until the season is over.
So I had to play on that game.
They finally let me play in the championship game.
They seen how good I was.
And they asked me, was I coming back next year?
I said, no sir.
He said, why?
I said, my mama said I ain't got to.
Like this.
My mama told me, you got to bet on yourself or you going to bet on the coach.
Right.
So in boxing, you bet on yourself.
Right.
In teen sports, you're betting on the coach.
joe rogan
You're betting on the coach, you're betting on the other players, and you're betting on the coach letting you play.
evander holyfield
Right.
joe rogan
Right.
Whereas in boxing, they have to let you fight.
evander holyfield
That's right.
You may be asking somebody to tag in for you.
joe rogan
Now, when did you think that boxing was going to be your career?
Was it right after that?
Was it like around 10th grade?
evander holyfield
Oh, well, yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
evander holyfield
You know, after 10th grade, I realized that, you know, It came down to one sport that I really do real well.
And so that's when I, you know, I just put everything in it.
joe rogan
Well, you were part of that incredible Olympic team, too.
I mean, so many great fighters came out of that Olympic team, right?
evander holyfield
Yeah.
joe rogan
Mark Breland, Pernell Whitaker, Meldrick Taylor.
evander holyfield
I can tell you all of them.
Paul Gonzalez, 106. Steve McCurry, 112. 19, Robert Shannon.
125, Mildred Taylor.
132, Peniel Willaker.
139, Jerry.
And 147, with Mark Breland, 156, Frank Tate.
165, Virgil Hill, 78. That's right, Virgil Hill.
And then Henry Tillman and Tyrell Biggs.
joe rogan
What a team.
evander holyfield
Yeah.
joe rogan
Crazy team.
evander holyfield
Nine gold medal, one silver, got bronze.
joe rogan
Amazing.
evander holyfield
Yes.
joe rogan
And you, besides Michael Spinks, you were one of the rare guys to move up, to move up and be successful as a heavyweight.
Did you just decide, like after you'd beat Dwight Muhammad Kawi, who was a cruiserweight champion, and you'd beat, you know, some real good names at that weight class, you had just decided that heavyweight was where the real money was at?
evander holyfield
Well, actually, you know, my goal, I wanted to be the heavyweight champion of the world.
And the only person I knew is Mike Tyson do it, I could do it.
So when Mike Tyson whooped everybody, you know, people tend to make up excuses.
Now Mike Tyson is a small person.
He hit hard, but he got short arms.
And so I seen Mike whooping people that 6'4", 6'5", 6'6", and they outweighing about 20 or 30 pounds.
He beat the daylights out of him.
joe rogan
Right.
evander holyfield
I figured if Mike could do it, I could do it.
joe rogan
So that gave you inspiration.
evander holyfield
That gave me inspiration.
My whole thing is that, you know, I actually, you know, for the cruiserweight division, I kind of went through that.
And what's the next goal?
It's to go up.
And, you know, and I chose to do it.
And a lot of people said, man, you crazy.
Well, you know, you have to be a little of that to be in this anyway.
joe rogan
Yeah, there's no doubt about that, right?
evander holyfield
Yeah.
joe rogan
So when you first did fight Mike Tyson, was that like something you had always knew was going to happen once he got out of jail?
evander holyfield
Well, it was like this.
My mama used to tell me, she said, now...
Let me tell you something about good fighters, you can't wish them away.
They ain't never going nowhere.
You got to face it.
And so, you know what?
And everybody, in everything that I've done, everybody will always remind me, you didn't beat Mike Tyson.
And I'm like, well, you're right.
And I said, but it's not like it was my fault.
And I said, every time I got ready to fall, something happened.
I said, but it wasn't my fault.
Well, you ain't really the champ until you beat him.
It was amazing that he was so popular, especially in my house.
When people get mad at me, they tell me, I can't wait until you fight Mike Tyson.
unidentified
That's crazy.
evander holyfield
And so the thing is, is that, you know, he was that person that I watched everyone in his fight, and I realized you can't make that many mistakes with Mike.
unidentified
Right.
Right.
joe rogan
When you finally did beat him, when you did fight him and did beat him, do you think that that raised your celebrity and your notoriety to a different level?
evander holyfield
Not really.
I think that it let people know that You ain't got to be considered a bad person to be good in the ring.
Yeah.
Because, you know, my whole thing, I could box, but everybody thought that because I didn't curse a lot or I don't get in trouble, that you ain't mean enough to be the mean guy.
unidentified
Right.
evander holyfield
And most so then, I'm a skillful fighter.
I kept my body and I did everything right.
You know, in general, I fought a lot of guys with a lot bigger It's an art to the game.
It's really an art.
It's really an art.
It's not just one thing you hit harder.
Because you've got to be able to take something to give something.
joe rogan
Right.
Well, you always could take it.
evander holyfield
Yeah.
joe rogan
That was a big part of your career when you had an iron chin.
I mean, Riddick Bowe was a giant man.
And he hit you with some bombs.
And those wars that you guys had, you were able to take some incredible punches.
evander holyfield
Well, yeah.
With me.
I knew that I could take it, but can you take it?
And so the whole big thing is, the whole big thing, my whole thing, my whole big thing with Mike is that what Mike had told somebody, say, everybody got a plan until they get hit.
And he was right.
Because, you know, if you hitting it, if this guy worry about you hitting him, and he ain't worried about getting hit, so he ain't got to worry about it.
But I knew if you hit me, I was going to hit you back.
joe rogan
And so that was part of the plan was to let him know that early.
When you fought him, particularly in the first round, you pressed him.
That was a rare moment to see someone really pushing Mike back and getting Mike back on his heels.
evander holyfield
Well, in order of the game, if you like Mike get you back, that may be it.
joe rogan
Right, right, right.
evander holyfield
So you have to attack him.
So the whole big thing with me was, it's things that my mama said.
She said, let me tell you when you know how good you are.
When somebody press you with what you're doing.
She said, Mike Lowe to press other people.
Can he handle the press?
My mom said, do it back to him.
Do it back.
If you want to see somebody stop doing something to you, do it to them.
All of a sudden, they'll stop.
People really don't like what you do to somebody, and somebody do it again, you get ticked.
joe rogan
Right.
evander holyfield
Like that.
So the thing was to, we practiced just putting pressure, putting pressure, putting pressure.
Make him feel the same way that he make other people feel.
joe rogan
So that was the game plan going into that fight.
evander holyfield
That was the game plan, yeah.
joe rogan
Was there anything surprising about that fight?
evander holyfield
Not to me because I didn't want no surprise because of the surprise you may get knocked out.
So the thing is to stay on him and let him think about all those things.
joe rogan
Now once you stopped him in the first fight, the second fight is the fight that's probably the most famous fight because he bit a chunk of your ear off and I saw it when you were coming in here.
Show everybody that.
Did you ever think about getting that fixed?
evander holyfield
Well, no.
That's my identification.
If I ain't got my ID, I can show my ear.
joe rogan
That is, right?
If you want to get into somewhere.
Do you know who I am?
Look at my hair.
Yeah.
That's crazy, man.
That was one of the craziest moments when Mills Lane looked at you and you were jumping up in the air and looked at Tyson and realized, holy shit, he bit a chunk out of your fucking ear.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
Like, what?
What were you thinking at that time?
evander holyfield
Biting him back.
I'm serious.
I was getting ready to bite the daylights out of him.
And I was going to bite him in the face.
I was going to bite him in the face.
I wasn't going to wait for the ear.
I was going to get the fat stuff.
You know, when you're from the ghetto, they say, if you do something, you got to do it worse than what they did.
And so, you know, And I told Mike in a talk show, I said, no.
I said, no, I was pretending like I was hurting real bad.
I said, but I was going to trip you up and bite you right in your face.
Everybody knew what I was going to do.
I said, but, you know, this prophet told us before the fight, he told me, he said, look, he's going to do something.
In your face area, but you got to stay focused because if you don't stay focused, that's the only way that he's going to get you.
So by him biting me on my ear, and I knew I was getting ready to bite him back.
But my corner person started telling me, keep a mind on the Lord.
And because the prophet told me, he said, only way he can get you to get your mind, he going to do something to you.
I thought he going to hit me with an elbow, a hip, but anything like that.
But I never, ever thought in my life...
He would bite me on the ear.
joe rogan
And bite a chunk of your ear on it.
evander holyfield
And it hurt so bad.
And people said, how bad did it hurt?
I said, did you see how high I jumped?
joe rogan
No, it was crazy.
You just leaped up in the air.
evander holyfield
Yeah, it hurt so bad.
And I said, Dan, that guy, my corner guy, Tim Hallmark, kept telling me, keep my mind on the Lord.
And I didn't want to hear that.
You know, even though he was saying that, and I was, man, I was still, I was just trying to remember that, get him.
I wanted to bite him.
I really wanted to bite him back.
And all of a sudden, it hit my mind that they always catch the second person.
unidentified
Right.
evander holyfield
I'm telling you, anything in life, and I'm the one that people always did something to them, they will always catch me.
And I was the only one to get caught all the time because they always catch me trying to get the get back.
So revenge is the Lord.
So you don't go get back because you're going to get caught.
joe rogan
I was amazed that they didn't stop the fight immediately.
evander holyfield
Well, they came back and checked, and he asked me, you alright?
And I said, yeah, because I at least wanted to hit him.
joe rogan
Right.
evander holyfield
I really wanted to hit him.
I was really upset.
joe rogan
But he tried to bite you twice, right?
evander holyfield
Well, yeah, he bit me twice.
joe rogan
He bit you twice.
evander holyfield
He bit me when we went back in, and he thought I was going to be scared, and he seen I caught him with these two shots, and He bit me again.
Man, I jumped back and I was just getting ready to kick him in the bowl.
And the bell rung.
And I went back to the corner.
Boy, I was so doggone mad that I was really going to get him.
And they stopped the fight.
And then I got mad because they stopped the fight.
joe rogan
Because you were going to get him.
evander holyfield
I wanted to get him back.
joe rogan
Well, it seemed like he thought that you were going to get him and he was trying to find a way out.
evander holyfield
Well...
joe rogan
That's the only thing that made sense.
evander holyfield
Well, yeah.
But the thing is, the only thing that I guess with me and what I stand on is that I was able to forgive him.
And that has been the turnaround in my life to tend to make people always wonder about the ear bite.
And I said, but I forgave him.
And everybody said, so what's special about that?
I said, but everywhere I go around the world, The Muslim, whatever.
And people said, wow, this guy can forgive.
How can you forgive when you're already beating the guy?
I said, but you know, but it's what life has to be if you're going to survive with even your brothers and sisters.
Because if you don't forgive nobody, you're going to be a mad person.
You're going to find yourself locked up.
joe rogan
Right, right.
And it's going to haunt you.
Whereas if you forgave him, it took a weight off your shoulders?
evander holyfield
Yeah.
Mike and I, we do a lot of things together because the forgiveness part.
joe rogan
It's cool to see you two together now.
I mean, when I have seen things that you've done together, I'm like, wow, it's crazy.
Like, after he bit you, those crazy fights, and to see you together laughing and joking around together, it's pretty interesting.
Yeah.
evander holyfield
Well, I mean, when you tell people, you know, when you don't choose your parents, you don't choose your neighborhood, you ain't choose your skin color, you ain't choose to be tall or short, but, you know, this is your statue.
And two people, two people came from the ghetto who boxed and...
Boxing was the only thing I did real well, okay, in football.
But the thing is that after all that, look how much money we made doing something that we, by doing it properly, we make money.
We make money and we can both, you know, raise our family in the way that We want to raise him.
joe rogan
How long did it take after the fight before you forgave him?
evander holyfield
I think about the time I got into the locker room and everybody started complaining.
I can't believe he did this, this, this, this.
I said, look, did he bite you?
They said, no, okay.
I said, he bit me, right?
And I said, now, I'm going to forgive him.
And you know what?
Y'all got to forgive him too.
They said, what do you mean, forgiven?
I said, he ain't bite you.
I said, he bit me.
unidentified
I said, look, I'm going to forgive him.
joe rogan
So you forgave him in the locker room right after the fight?
evander holyfield
Yes.
Because the thing is, the thing is, I, you know, I was really mad coming down and people throwing water and people man and they upset because they didn't get a chance to see what they really wanted to see.
Right.
Like this.
And so they were mad and they were upset.
And I asked, you know, me, I figured, who in control?
God.
So I said, Lord, what is this thing all about?
He said, forgive me.
And I said, who in the world want to forgive me?
But this is what it is.
We're the two very important people.
Everybody come to see.
And they need to know that forgiveness is a big part of life.
And so I was able to do that.
So in the point of being able to do that, you know, I realized that it made my life better all over the world.
You got a Kleenex?
joe rogan
Kleenex?
Yeah, sure.
That's a very powerful thing, man.
It really is.
That's a very powerful decision.
And, you know, it's a very powerful statement, you know, for you to forgive him after that.
I mean, that really, that probably did a lot of good for a lot of people to realize, man, if Evander Holyfield can forgive Mike Tyson after he bit a chunk of his ear off, I mean, that's a strong statement of character right there.
evander holyfield
Well, you know, the thing is, I didn't, now, A little earlier than that, they may not would have got that.
They would have got some miracles.
joe rogan
If you bit his face.
evander holyfield
But it's amazing what time would do for you.
At one point in time, something would have happened.
But because they gave me a little time to think about it and gave me, and I was like, and you know, with me, when things don't go right, I go back to the prayer and say, Lord, what is this all about?
And he said, forgiveness.
And, you know, I wouldn't be who I am if it wasn't from forgiveness.
Everybody don't fell short somewhere.
And I didn't.
So, you know, the whole big thing is, and I talked to, a week after that, I talked to my, we were We was at the All-Star basketball game in New York, and I looked up, and everybody was streaming, and I wonder what they were streaming about, telling me to watch out.
I'm like, watch out for who?
I looked up at Mike and he had this big bear coat and he like this.
And so everybody was telling me and warning me that Mike, Mike there.
joe rogan
He had a big bear skin coat?
Big fur coat?
evander holyfield
He had a big fur coat and stuff like that and he wouldn't do nothing to shake hands.
joe rogan
Wow.
A week after.
unidentified
Wow.
evander holyfield
A week after, you know what I'm saying?
joe rogan
So your ear is probably still sore.
evander holyfield
No, no.
The thing is, with my ear, my ear is almost like a testimony.
unidentified
Right.
evander holyfield
And, you know, it's almost like you win a trophy yourself that a person looks and says, man, he forgave the guy.
So I see that more people, when they see me, they look at my ear, then after they see me in the ear, then they smile.
Not in anger, they smile and say, well, you know what I mean?
He forgave that guy.
Wow.
joe rogan
So when you saw Mike, did you guys talk?
evander holyfield
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
A week after the fight?
evander holyfield
Yeah.
What did he say to you?
Matter of fact, his room was next door to mine, and I didn't know.
We came out.
We come out at the same time.
He looked.
He looked.
He asked me, is it all good?
I said, yeah.
So we get on the elevator together.
unidentified
Whoa!
evander holyfield
And we come down with the door open, and everybody was shocked.
So they were shocked, wondering why we wasn't fighting.
joe rogan
It was just you two in the elevator or other people as well?
Just you two in the elevator.
evander holyfield
Wow.
And so at the shocking part, they said, man, we thought they were a big fight.
And I told the guys, man, I said, you know how much money I got paid in that fight.
How much money can you think we're going to fight for free?
joe rogan
Was there ever talk about a third fight?
evander holyfield
I have people mention it.
They mention it.
But the thing is that they wanted to give a lot of money and they were asking me to try to...
And my other thing is that I kind of feel like it's kind of a bully for you to ask somebody to fight.
To fight you again when you know you're going to win again.
So the whole big thing is I just didn't think that if Mike wanted to do it, I would have done it.
But I wasn't going to go ask.
I think you've been a bully when you know you're better than somebody and you want to You want to play them in something that you know you're going to beat them.
Right, right, right.
It's a challenge.
Somebody challenge you to think that I can come back and beat you.
But, you know, just, you know, you feel that you better.
And so I think it'd be wrong for me to ask it.
Right.
joe rogan
No, that's amazing.
I mean, but that just shows what kind of a person you are.
Like, it shows what kind of character you have.
And that sort of defines your career, that you are the guy that did always seek the big challenges.
evander holyfield
Yeah, you know, winning this, you know, the nickname Real Deal, I was like, and people ask me, how you get that name Real Deal?
I said, you know, I thank God for anything that's great that comes from God at all given time.
You know, I had a mom who had a sixth grade education, but she raised me.
She raised the four-time headweight champion of the world.
She stayed on me all the time.
And my brothers and sisters said, Mama, you're going to make a sister to him.
You don't let him go out.
You don't let him do nothing.
My mama said, he's going to be all right.
You just wait and see.
And when I think about it, she never did give in to what nobody said about me.
And I became who I am.
And I'm just so thankful.
And the Bible said, all good things come from God.
Anything that is good, For you, it came from God.
joe rogan
It sounds like you rely on your mom, or you relied on your mom a lot for wisdom.
evander holyfield
Well, that's all I had.
That's all I had, because my brothers and sisters and stuff, all of them, I don't think all of them liked me a lot.
They may like me a little bit.
unidentified
But my mama, I know my mama loved me.
evander holyfield
They liked me a little bit.
joe rogan
Yeah, but it's amazing to hear that your mother was right at every stop, at every step.
You know, all of her advice all paid out.
I mean, she knew there was something special about you.
evander holyfield
Well, you know, my mama knew something special about everybody, but you had to do the work.
And the art of me is that my mama had a heart attack.
My mom had a heart attack, and so my mom would add home with me to make sure that I made it.
But, you know, with everybody else, my mom worked 10 to 10 with them.
joe rogan
Right, right, right.
evander holyfield
So I was the youngest one, so she had a heart attack when I was about six or seven years old, so I got caught in everything.
So I got more whooping than everybody.
So out of all that whooping, The good person showed up.
joe rogan
Yeah, you got more advice than everybody, too, though.
evander holyfield
I did.
joe rogan
Have you ever thought about doing Mike's show?
You know, Mike has a podcast now.
evander holyfield
I did it.
joe rogan
Did you get high with him?
evander holyfield
No, I don't have to get high to do it.
But, you know, I did it last month.
joe rogan
Oh, okay.
Is it out already?
I haven't seen it.
I've got to check that episode out.
That's incredible.
What was it like to sit with him at the ranch and hang out with him?
evander holyfield
Well, it was okay.
The thing is, you know, I won't answer the questions and he kind of eggs me up to me.
Look, man, I know you're going to do a little bit more than that.
I said, you know, if I did, I forgot it, Mike.
I forgot it.
You let your past be your past.
You know, you got to continue to move forward.
joe rogan
He's a different person now.
evander holyfield
Well, I think he is.
joe rogan
Yeah, no, he is.
He's a very interesting guy.
He's a very smart man.
evander holyfield
He's a lot smarter than what people give him credit for.
joe rogan
A lot.
evander holyfield
Now, that's what they don't know about him.
I know that.
joe rogan
Yeah, no, he's very introspective, very smart, and very humble, you know, the way he looks at life now.
Like, he doesn't even think about his old days.
Like, he doesn't like that guy.
He doesn't like who he used to be.
It's very interesting when you talk to him.
evander holyfield
Well, yeah, and your past is your past.
That's where you have to leave it alone.
joe rogan
Yeah, and he smokes $40,000 worth of weed a month.
evander holyfield
Well, I guess you have the money.
You don't have to worry about it.
joe rogan
Well, you're involved in CBD now, right?
unidentified
Yes, I am.
joe rogan
This is what Resin Sports is?
Yes.
How amazing is CBD? It's incredible, right?
evander holyfield
It's amazing how good it is for your health.
joe rogan
Yes.
evander holyfield
And so many people have, you know, your kids.
Your kids don't even ask to have the problem, and some of them come up with these problems.
If you then have this problem, The CBD, then your kids probably wouldn't function as properly as they function.
It's amazing.
This stuff got so much benefit, even though if you take advantage of anything, too much anything is not good for you.
joe rogan
Right, but I mean, I don't think there's any way you can overdose on CBD, right?
It's all just healthy for you.
It's just oils.
evander holyfield
Well, I know it's oils and different things.
joe rogan
How much of it do you take a day?
evander holyfield
For me?
Yeah.
I rub it on my leg and stuff like that, and I just now found that...
They got some oral drops that are really good for you.
Now, I didn't know that.
joe rogan
Oh, the oral drops?
Yeah.
evander holyfield
Yeah, so that you put on your tongue and all that.
joe rogan
Yeah, I love those, yeah.
evander holyfield
See, I didn't know that.
Now, now that I know that, I'm going to start taking me some drops.
joe rogan
Yeah, I do both.
I take the drops and I rub it on my muscles as well.
evander holyfield
And they say it's good for your memory and all this and stuff.
Now, I didn't know that.
Now, I'm going to probably remember a lot of stuff for that.
joe rogan
Well, you got through a crazy boxing career remarkably well.
I mean, your health is there.
You look great.
And do you have any injuries or anything that still carries with you after all those years?
evander holyfield
See, that's the thing.
I juiced a lot.
I juiced a lot.
I mean, man, the best of the juice and all that I did.
I ate very clean with stuff like that.
joe rogan
Did you have nutritionists that prepared your meals?
evander holyfield
Yeah.
I had some people talk about nutrition, but I kind of ate the way that I want because I knew, but I was very disciplined in what food to eat and what not to eat.
joe rogan
When you were eating, did you meal plan or did you just eat whatever you wanted to?
What was a typical meal for Evander Holyfield?
When Evander Holyfield, when you were in your peak condition and you're training for a fight, what would be a typical meal during camp?
evander holyfield
Well, you know, I juice.
I ain't like nothing green.
So I have to juice that.
joe rogan
Juice it, right.
evander holyfield
I juice the green stuff.
joe rogan
Spinach, kale, that kind of stuff.
evander holyfield
I do that.
I do that.
That's the first thing I put in there.
Then I get a chance to eat what I want to eat.
So I like steaks.
And I like chicken a lot.
But the thing is, I like pan apples.
I like apples.
I like all this fruit stuff that you cut up.
The berries and all that.
These are the things that actually, Kind of, you know, a couple people saying, do you have any tingling in your hand, your feet, anything?
I said, well, I don't have anything.
I said, do I suppose to?
Well, other people do.
I said, but what did they do?
What did they eat?
joe rogan
Right, right.
evander holyfield
I really ate real clean, real good.
joe rogan
Well, tingling usually is associated with nerve damage, right?
A lot of times people have back issues and neck issues from years of fighting.
I think even Mike had some neck surgery because of issues that he was having with his neck.
But Mike did a lot of bridges, remember, on his neck?
He did a lot of bridges, like wrestling-type bridges where he's balancing on his neck and rolling around back and forth.
That's not necessarily supposed to be the best thing for your neck either.
evander holyfield
I did that too.
joe rogan
Did you do that?
evander holyfield
You know, I see somebody doing something and they good.
I'm going to try it out.
I'm going to try it out.
joe rogan
So did you try it out after you saw him do it?
evander holyfield
No, no, no.
I started doing that as a kid in football practice.
joe rogan
Oh, okay.
evander holyfield
We rolled on the neck and all this and stuff like that.
You kind of felt that, you know, you're as strong as you can hold your head up and breathe like that.
And I did that a lot.
joe rogan
How many days did you work?
Your typical boxing workout was sparring, hitting the mitts, and then road work.
But you would also do strength and conditioning and some serious physical exercise.
How did you break up training camp?
How many days a week did you spend doing weightlifting type stuff?
And how many days were you doing the other things?
evander holyfield
Well, with the boxing part, I do that five days a week, and the weight lifts three times a week.
But I always have three workouts a day.
joe rogan
Three?
evander holyfield
Yeah, three workouts a day.
He was especially in conditioning.
Each and every training, he's going to do certain things.
The most important thing was the boxing.
We get the boxing part out first.
Then what type of run we're going to do?
We ain't just run five miles.
We're going to sprint sometime.
He'll come up with these different methods that you have three workouts a day, but you're tired.
You probably didn't work number 15 minutes, but you're tired.
That's a tough 15 minutes.
So he had these things that allow me to understand that Whenever I get tired, this is when you know how good to shape you into what you do when you're tired.
joe rogan
Right, right.
evander holyfield
So, you know, it's a thinking program.
So then, oh, I tired myself out and your knees hurt and you're anchored and you can't do nothing the next day.
You get tired out, the 15 minutes when it's over, you got all this energy.
So everything was about recovering.
joe rogan
Everything about recovering, right.
So he was basically shocking your system with a bunch of different kinds of workouts and then allowing you to recover.
And do you think if CBD was around back then, you would have probably used it a lot, huh?
evander holyfield
I'm not for sure.
I'm not for sure because the whole thing with me is understanding what do it do for me.
Now, I'm not...
I wasn't the type of person that's concerned about you.
Now, I got to understand what's going to happen, what it's going to do for me.
If it makes you do this, but is it going to make me do this?
Just see if it's going to make me do this.
It's going to make me feel good.
It's going to make me be confident and...
Yes, I'm going to have to depend on this the rest of my life if I start it.
Right, right, right.
So I remember when with the Pan-American game in 1983, so they got the cap practice to pop everybody in their neck and put them in where they can fight good because they want to see everybody win.
And I'm the only one wouldn't do it.
And they said why?
I said because I don't have any money.
And they said Well, you don't have to pay any money.
I said, yeah, but if this feels good, I'm going to need it every day, and I ain't got no money, so what am I going to do?
I said, my mama told me it don't start, nothing you can't pay for.
So I'm the only one that didn't go to the CalPract to work or nothing, because I didn't want nothing that I can't afford to do.
And so, of course, When after, you know, when I turned pro, coming from pro, I was able to afford it.
And I go to Cal Proctor all the time now.
But why get something new that you can't pay for?
Then you're going to make up an excuse to why you didn't do good today.
Because ain't nobody cracked my nigga.
Ain't nobody do this.
Anything that is done, you got to be able to afford to do it.
joe rogan
Was it hard for you to retire?
evander holyfield
No.
I just want to know that I did the very best.
What I didn't want to do, I didn't want to retire then come back.
Because, you know, you do it.
Do it right.
My mom would do it right and when you stop, make sure it's over.
I think after one of my last fights, my last fight, I met the Kalisco brothers and I asked them why they didn't want to fight.
They said, you know, Emanuel Stewart told us that you don't need to fight him.
Like this and like that.
And they chose not to fight because Emanuel Stewart told them, you know.
But I guess the most positive thing about the whole situation, when I was coming back from Russia, I seen a table of Ali.
And Ali, when he lost against Larry Hall, he was trying to beat four times.
And he said, why ain't I just be happy for three?
He said, why did I have to go four?
When I seen that, I said, why would I have to be five?
I said, I'm on the top.
Why not?
I'm the best that I've ever been.
I broke our lead record.
Why don't I just rest and be thankful?
And I chose to because the fact of the matter, records are meant to be broken.
Somebody's going to break it eventually.
Long boxing continues to go because you're looking for it to improve, the game to improve.
joe rogan
That's a great attitude that I wish more boxers would have because it's, for fighters, many times the highs of being a champion and winning big championship fights on television under the bright lights, those highs are so high that after they get off and they retire...
They just miss it.
They miss it so bad.
And we've seen everybody, all the greats, from Larry Holmes to Sugar Ray Leonard, all the greats come back.
Except Hagler.
Hagler never came back.
And Andre Ward says he's not going to come back either.
But Hagler, to me, was one of the most impressive because he just, after that Sugar Ray Leonard fight, he went, we're good.
I'm done.
That's it.
evander holyfield
I'm here.
It was amazing because the fact is, you know, You're accustomed to people.
joe rogan
Yeah.
evander holyfield
You know, you don't have to talk when you're a good fighter, you know what?
joe rogan
Right.
evander holyfield
Because everybody asks me, say, why you ain't never said nothing?
I was like, I ain't have to say nothing.
When people look at it, they start talking about how good I am.
So I don't have to say nothing.
joe rogan
Well, that was a big part of you, was your humility, but confidence.
You were always a humble man, but always a very confident man.
And as a fighter, that's a very admirable quality.
Like, you didn't have a lot of haters or detractors.
When you were the champ, people just appreciated who you were as a man.
evander holyfield
Yeah, I get it.
And all that goes to credit my mom.
My mom used to tell me when she said, Yeah, you were never a guy that bragged.
joe rogan
You know, when you see these guys like Floyd Mayweather, he gets so much attention.
Obviously, he's an incredible boxer, maybe one of the best boxers, if not the best of all time.
But just always talks crazy amounts of shit.
But that has also got him a crazy amount of money and a crazy amount of attention.
But you never went that route.
evander holyfield
Well, you know, because the fact is it wasn't about money.
I'm telling you, the love that you have and that you can account to, say, anytime somebody asks me something, it's not just me.
Yeah, my mama, I can always account to these people, this boys club.
I tell people, I say, now, I started going to the boys club at the age of six years old.
I said, now, I said, I didn't choose my neighborhood that I chose to live in.
I said, but, I said, but everybody in that neighborhood told her, you ain't going to be nothing.
I'm talking, I'm talking, ask kids, you growing up, and you be telling, you ain't going to be nothing.
You ain't going to be nothing.
And so, going to that boy's club, the boy's club started talking about goals.
What do you want to be?
I'm talking, you know, now, off that kid, I can't lie and say, They always ask me, what do you want to be?
I say, yeah, all I just know, I want to be great.
They say, and what?
I say, well, if you don't do nothing, you got to find out what you want to be great in.
So, you let you play basketball, let you play baseball, all these different things every day.
You know, you're an age group, 6, 7, 8 years old, where you go do all these different things, workshop, you know.
They wouldn't let you do what you want to do.
You had to...
You're a group of people, you have to, at different hours, different time you go to these different things, make sure that you learn to see all the different things that you can be.
But if you never was in class and have rules to tell you to do what you want to do, you may not ever become nothing.
I became who I am because I went to that boys club and they wanted me to learn all these different things.
You find that you ain't going to be great and everything, but at least you know when to be quiet, when to talk, when not to, because you're not going to be the greatest one in all the things that you do.
joe rogan
Do you have any regrets when you look back on your championship career?
evander holyfield
Not at all.
joe rogan
Nothing?
evander holyfield
Not at all.
My whole thing is that, you know, I'm...
I'm a lot better than what I even dreamed of or whatever, thought about, and like this.
But all these things that I wanted to be, you know what, the ultimate thing I wanted to do?
Make my mama proud.
I wanted my mama to be proud of me because my mama cries so much about what you should have did, what you know, and you know, And I just wanted to be one of the ones that I did what my mama said and she was proud of me and all that.
And eventually it became that way.
joe rogan
Well, how could she not be proud of you?
Four-time heavyweight champion.
I mean, you're Evander Holyfield.
evander holyfield
But you know, when I came back from the Olympics, I kind of had that ego a little bit because I have done something that nobody else done in my family.
So I bought my mama a house.
But she didn't want the house that I wanted to give her.
I want to put her in a nice neighborhood.
She didn't want to be in a nice neighborhood.
She said, I want to be by the bus stop.
She said, I don't want to be depending on when you're going to come pick me up or not.
I said, Mama, they don't have bus stops.
They don't want everybody seeing what they got called people steal.
My mama said, but I don't want to depend on you because I don't know when you're going to come over here.
I need to be on the bus now.
So I was kind of upset because I want to buy my mama this nice house for me to talk about.
My mama want to get a house that ain't nobody want to talk about.
It's a big old, old house.
But my mama didn't care about that.
My mama care about if everybody come home, everybody got a room.
Now, I want to give her a three-bedroom.
She want to get an eight-bedroom for nothing.
Now, our house is going to cost $250,000 on one.
On one, it costs $50,000.
And so, she want to take the $50,000.
I'm trying to figure out, I want something I can brag about.
I bought my mama.
But my mama said, you know, son, she's her son.
I love more than you.
I love them too.
These my kids just like I don't love you no more.
I love them.
joe rogan
Right.
evander holyfield
And so when my mama told me that I came to understand that she was thinking about if everybody came home, everybody have a room.
joe rogan
Right.
evander holyfield
But you come in that three bedroom and there ain't gonna be enough room for everybody.
joe rogan
What was the size of the house that you built?
unidentified
You built some crazy, gigantic- Yeah, 54,000 square feet.
What?
evander holyfield
Yeah.
joe rogan
54,000 square feet?
evander holyfield
Yes.
joe rogan
Why did you build a house that big?
evander holyfield
Well, the thing is, I thought about all the things that I didn't have.
And I thought about what I could afford, and I was thinking about generations.
I didn't build a house just for the family.
Now, for the grandkids.
And I figured, you know, I love my kids, and they're going to have some kids, and then they're going to have some kids.
So, you know, you have a place still for everybody.
joe rogan
Oh, so it's practical.
evander holyfield
Well, to me in West Coast, you only do what you can afford to do.
joe rogan
Right.
And you could afford to make a 54,000 square foot house.
Jesus, how many acres was that thing on?
evander holyfield
Well, we had 175 acres.
joe rogan
When that was done, that must have been crazy.
evander holyfield
It cost a lot more than it probably would have if I would have thought about it, if I knew what I know today.
joe rogan
What was different?
evander holyfield
The difference is I just got people to do it and didn't have no organization to get professional people who know how to do it.
The house cost me a lot more than Then it should have.
joe rogan
It was a famous house because it was so big and so expensive.
evander holyfield
Yeah, well, yeah.
Yeah.
But, you know, it costs you.
Then somebody gets it a little cheaper than you.
You're kind of mad.
joe rogan
Oh, when you sold it, you mean?
Yeah.
How much did you wind up selling it for?
evander holyfield
You know, $5 million.
joe rogan
And how much did you build it for?
evander holyfield
$20 million.
joe rogan
Wow, that's a big hit.
evander holyfield
Somebody got a deal.
It's part of life.
You learn from your mistakes.
joe rogan
Who's living in it now?
evander holyfield
A guy named Rick Ross.
joe rogan
Rick Ross, the rapper?
evander holyfield
Yep.
joe rogan
Really?
evander holyfield
Yep.
joe rogan
That's crazy.
evander holyfield
Yep.
joe rogan
Wow.
Good for him.
evander holyfield
Yeah, and they're doing the movie Coming to America there.
joe rogan
Are they really?
evander holyfield
Yeah, so I have to be a part of it, too.
joe rogan
You're in that, right?
Coming to America 2, right?
unidentified
Yep.
joe rogan
When is that starting to film?
evander holyfield
Coming up in about a week or two.
joe rogan
Is that Eddie Murphy as well?
evander holyfield
Yes.
joe rogan
And Arsenio Hall?
Yep.
Oh, all right, man.
That's beautiful.
That's going to be crazy to be in your old house.
evander holyfield
Yeah.
That ain't crazy, but I get invited over there a lot and they still call it my house.
joe rogan
Well, you designed it, right?
evander holyfield
Oh, yeah.
Yeah, I did.
joe rogan
Did you put a gym in it?
evander holyfield
A gym, I put everything.
Pretty much I copied off Scarface.
The movie Scarface, you know.
That's the only movie that I've seen that, you know, people come up in a tough situation and they become all that they are.
And so I thought that in one way or another, I'm not that, but I came up a tough way to.
joe rogan
Right.
evander holyfield
And so the thing is that you want your kids to have more than you have and something better.
joe rogan
Well, that's what, I mean, every great champion wants that.
They want a house that shows, like, this is where the heavyweight champion of the world lives.
And when you've got 175 acres and 54,000 square feet and the way that house looked, like, that looks like a world championship house.
evander holyfield
Well, I had a ring look like a championship belt, too.
joe rogan
Really?
evander holyfield
Yeah, shaped like a championship belt, yeah.
joe rogan
Is there pictures of that online?
I want to see that.
How long did it take to build that?
evander holyfield
A year.
joe rogan
Just a year?
evander holyfield
Yeah.
joe rogan
Damn!
That's fast.
For a house that's 54,000 square feet?
evander holyfield
Well, you know, but they did.
joe rogan
Wow.
Do you still live in Atlanta now?
evander holyfield
No, I live in Fort Lauderdale.
joe rogan
What are you doing down there?
evander holyfield
Well, you know, it's good for tax and all that.
joe rogan
Oh yeah, for sure.
Florida's got great tax rules.
There it is right now.
You can see the house from the roof.
That is a crazy spread.
Look at the size of your pool.
You get lost in that pool.
evander holyfield
That's just like a championship belt.
joe rogan
That's amazing.
Yeah.
That is amazing.
Now, do you still work in boxing?
Do you train fighters or anything like that?
Do you work with anybody?
evander holyfield
No, I'm part of the promotion.
I'm part of the promotion.
The other thing is that I don't exactly want to coach on one person because I don't want to be that adversary that if I'm in your calling, they're just going to give it to you.
People tend to think that.
I know how it was when I was getting ready to fight George Foreman and Muhammad Ali came in the ring.
And he waved his hand.
So he'd come and tell me, he said, I'm for you.
You know, tell me in my ear.
Then he went and told George Foreman the same thing.
joe rogan
Did he really?
That's hilarious.
evander holyfield
He sure did.
joe rogan
That's hilarious.
Fighting George Foreman must have been a trip, too, because you're fighting someone from a different generation.
You know, he was a legend from Ali's generation.
evander holyfield
Yeah, it was like kind of different to me.
And so I didn't really want to fight George.
I just wanted to fight Tyson.
And so my business manager, Shelly Finkel, told me, he said, Evander, it's my job as your business manager to tell you the thing about money.
He said, you know, I said, I want to get the 30. He said, no, I'm going to get you 50 million.
I said, how?
He said, If you fight George first, they're going to give you 20. He said, but if you fight Tyson first and get 30, they're going to give you 20 to fight him.
They don't think you can beat George.
I said, well, I said, man, I said, George is old.
He said, yeah, but they believe George is going to knock you out.
That's the only reason why they're going to give you $20 million.
They're not giving you $20 million because they think it's an easy fight.
joe rogan
Well, George, even though he was old, could still knock people out.
When he knocked Michael Moore out, I mean, that was crazy.
evander holyfield
Of course.
And he knocked him out after he lost against me.
He knocked Michael Moore out because I lost against Michael Moore.
joe rogan
Yeah.
evander holyfield
So it shows you that He didn't give up on his dream.
joe rogan
Right.
evander holyfield
His dream was to be the champ again.
joe rogan
Yeah.
evander holyfield
And he eventually got it.
joe rogan
The oldest ever.
evander holyfield
Yeah.
joe rogan
Oldest ever guy to regain the championship.
evander holyfield
Yeah, and it's kind of sad because I think I'm supposed to be the oldest.
Because, you know, that big old Russian that was...
joe rogan
Yes, Valuev.
evander holyfield
Valuev.
I fought him.
joe rogan
Yes.
evander holyfield
And ESPN, they scored it.
They had me 11 and 1. Mm-hmm.
And they get a decision to value well.
joe rogan
Yeah.
No, I saw that fight.
That was a bad decision.
evander holyfield
Yeah, and it was just sad.
joe rogan
You should have won.
How old were you at that time?
I was 46. So you were a year older.
evander holyfield
Yeah.
And so I constantly tell Tyson, I said, you know, I can tell that we had the best era.
I said, because you're the youngest heavyweight champion in the world, and I'm supposed to be the oldest one.
I said, what kind of era that is?
You had both of the people.
Yeah, true.
At the time, it was amazing.
Tyson did this thing at 20 years old.
20 years old.
Because I had a lot of people, they would talk about it and say, oh, you know what?
You know, you were just a great guy.
I said, but Tyson was 20. I said, I ain't no telling what I would have been if I would have been somebody at 20. I said, you know, you're talking about a kid.
I said, I came headweight champion of the world at 28 years old.
And everybody said, well, you act so different.
In a 20-year-old, you're going to see some difference.
joe rogan
A lot more maturity.
evander holyfield
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's a different person.
Yeah, being 20 and winning the heavyweight championship of the world, I don't know who could do that and not go crazy.
evander holyfield
Well, because the thing is, he was the most photographed person at that time.
joe rogan
Yeah.
evander holyfield
Every time you look up, you see Mike on it.
joe rogan
Yeah.
evander holyfield
You see Mike on it.
And did a lot of incredible stuff, too.
joe rogan
He certainly did.
What do you think about today's era of boxing, particularly the heavyweight division?
I mean, it's real exciting right now.
evander holyfield
I think it's coming back.
unidentified
Yes.
evander holyfield
I think coming back, you know, Ruiz don't sneak through the picture.
And I like that because here's a guy you look at and you may think he can't fight.
joe rogan
Right.
evander holyfield
Fight him.
joe rogan
He can fight.
evander holyfield
Yeah.
joe rogan
Ooh, that Andy Ruiz can throw some combinations.
evander holyfield
Yeah, sure.
And I was telling a friend of mine, I said, now, I said, they picked the wrong guy.
I said, what you talking about, man?
That boy, he don't look like he...
I said, he just looked like that he can fight.
I said, I spar with him.
I said, he the first person I ever sparred that I say, I never want to fight.
joe rogan
Really?
evander holyfield
Yeah.
I said, he was that good.
Now, at that time, I was 46. So he had to be probably 19. But that was my first time ever.
Seeing a guy, I said, I don't want to fight him.
I was glad that I retired after 46. He has beautiful combinations.
joe rogan
And you look at his body and you say, oh, that's a guy that's overweight.
But underneath all that fat, there's an incredible athlete.
evander holyfield
That's what I'm saying.
Yeah.
You just can't go by eye on how I look these days.
joe rogan
Because Anthony Joshua looks like a Greek god.
evander holyfield
He sure did.
joe rogan
I mean, he looks like he's carved out of stone.
evander holyfield
He knocked him down.
That guy got up and knocked him down three times.
joe rogan
Crazy.
And then you got Deontay Wilder, who's one of the craziest heavyweight knockout artists ever.
I mean, that guy has preposterous power.
evander holyfield
Well, you know, because people ask me about him.
I said, well, you know what?
I said, the only thing I can say, he's from Alabama, too.
I said, I'm from Alabama.
joe rogan
Something in the water?
evander holyfield
I said, but...
It's his confidence.
You know, Dion, he go in, he go in, and he fight his fight.
And when he can see that shot, he throw it in and everybody says, but he get wild at the end.
I said, at least he know the guy hurt though.
I said, he don't get wild before the guy get hurt.
But he know the guy hurt.
I said, so he can take chances throwing looping shots like this because the guy hurt.
I said, but at least he's smart enough to know.
But I remember the time when he got hurt, he got knocked down, and all that.
And one thing that he showed, he had confidence.
Because people who don't have confidence, they get hurt, they start trying to run.
When he got hurt, he came forth, and that's the reason why he was able to survive that round.
Then the next round, he knocked the guy out.
joe rogan
Well, Ortiz and him are going to have a rematch.
evander holyfield
Yeah, that's the guy that he was.
joe rogan
Ortiz is no joke.
He's a dangerous fighter.
evander holyfield
That's the reason I couldn't figure out why you were given another chance.
Which shows...
joe rogan
His confidence.
evander holyfield
Confidence.
He showed confidence because of the fact that...
Now, ain't nobody, even after that fight, want to fight Ortiz the other day than nah.
True, true.
I'm going to wish him to go away.
joe rogan
Yeah.
evander holyfield
Because he's a good fighter and he's one of the most clever fighters out there.
joe rogan
Yes.
evander holyfield
And that's the reason I'm like...
Okay, you did it one time.
Okay, you know.
Why?
Let him knock somebody else out and let him upset somebody before he come back.
joe rogan
And Ortiz is getting old.
I mean, no one even knows how old he really is because he's from Cuba.
You know, there's speculation that he's 50 years old.
People don't even know.
evander holyfield
Right, they don't.
joe rogan
But he's an amazing fighter.
So skilled out of that Cuban amateur program.
I mean, his boxing is just top-notch.
And he had Deontay in all sorts of trouble.
But you're right.
Walder showed that he could overcome adversity and that his power, that's one of the more impressive things about him.
His power doesn't go away.
He keeps that power, like, deep in the 12th round when he knocked out Tyson Fury, or knocked down Tyson Fury.
In the 12th round, it looked like it was over.
evander holyfield
Well, that's what I'm saying.
joe rogan
Yeah.
evander holyfield
This is what you're talking about, confidence.
And I told him, I said, look, man, I said, you're the only person I know that tall and lighter than me.
joe rogan
That's true, right?
I'm like, he fight 213. He was 209 when he fought Tyson Fury.
209, the day of the fight.
Crazy.
evander holyfield
I said, man, that's what you're talking about, confidence and all this.
joe rogan
Yeah.
evander holyfield
But he don't worry about it.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
No, he don't care.
evander holyfield
See, and that's why I like it for certain people to admit.
With me, everybody said, man, they started talking about this stuff.
I said, look, I don't care about that.
I can fight, man.
joe rogan
Yeah.
evander holyfield
And you know what?
When he started talking to people, and people get scared of him because he said, look, man, I can fight.
I know what I can do.
Yeah.
All he got to do is hit you with that big right hand.
joe rogan
Or the left hand.
evander holyfield
Because I seen him when he hit this boy, now I'm doing a left hook.
I said, oh man, he got a hook now.
joe rogan
Well, that 12th round, it was a right hand and a left hook behind it and snapped Tyson's head back.
But I mean, Tyson Fury's incredible too, man.
That guy got up after that.
99% of the people on planet Earth would still be out cold after those two punches.
evander holyfield
What I try to get people to see, I say now, The referee isn't supposed to let him get up.
Most people, most fighters would get up.
But the referee would dive on you, jump on you, won't let you get up.
Because for you to lay flat like that for four or five seconds, they ain't supposed to do that.
joe rogan
Right.
Most referees would have called it off right there.
evander holyfield
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Well, thank God he didn't.
evander holyfield
Well, you know, I'm not for sure because it messed up the whole thing.
He would have been the champ.
And so now...
joe rogan
Yeah, but aren't you excited that he got up and then Tyson Fury wound up winning the rest of the round?
evander holyfield
Well, wait.
Yeah, he did.
joe rogan
He did.
evander holyfield
But still, when you do the thing right, your job for me saving the fighter...
joe rogan
Right.
I see what you're saying.
So you think the referee should have probably saved?
evander holyfield
Yeah.
The referee is supposed to do what it is.
My whole thing is because if it was anybody else, they would have did it.
joe rogan
You know what bothers me?
What bothers me is the count was more than 10 seconds.
evander holyfield
Well, that's what I'm saying.
joe rogan
That's what bothers me.
What bothers me is I think it shouldn't be the referee going, one, two.
It should be a number.
There should be a time.
evander holyfield
They do have a timer.
They had a timer.
This is how you know.
They have a guy with a referee thinking he count too.
joe rogan
Right.
But he's counting.
I want a number, like a digital clock that shows you 10 actual seconds.
I think they should have something like that.
Because to leave it up to the referee, some referee's like, one, two, three.
Other referee's like, one...
Two!
And that's not seconds.
That's not seconds.
evander holyfield
It's too subjective.
You know what?
Because even after that, the referee brushed the gloves out, looked at him, looked at his eyes.
joe rogan
A couple other seconds.
evander holyfield
When you look at it, he had about 30 seconds.
He had 30 seconds.
And then they said, oh, he recovered.
I said, but they wouldn't have did that to anybody else.
I said, but how about...
Now, what bothered me was...
What bothered me?
I said, how do you...
I said, if he go in the other country and fight, and the guy doing him like this, they stopping the fight.
joe rogan
Right.
A lot of referees would have stopped that fight.
evander holyfield
I said, they stopped the fight.
I said, how is it when somebody can come in your country And you give them the ups.
joe rogan
Right, right, right.
evander holyfield
I said, something is wrong with that.
joe rogan
I just think it was because it was such a big fight.
Like, everybody wanted to see that fight.
It was such a huge fight.
evander holyfield
Well, you know, even though you go in another country, you know if that fight close anywhere, You're not getting it.
You're not getting it.
I would hit that guy.
The guy didn't even throw no punch in some of the rounds.
I remember they asked the guy, how could you win a round when you didn't throw a punch in that round?
joe rogan
The only person who's ever done that is Willy Pep.
unidentified
Right?
joe rogan
Willy Pep won rounds just by being a slick defensive fighter.
But he was so impressive that people gave him the round anyway.
You know?
That fight was...
That was a fight that begged for a rematch.
Just begged for a rematch.
And it bothers me.
It's one of the things that bothers me about boxing sometimes is that these fights, they don't come to fruition.
And then if...
I mean, he almost lost in his...
Tyson, with that cut in his last fight...
I mean, that was a bad cut.
They could have stopped that fight.
evander holyfield
Yeah, but they stop it when they want to stop it.
So you've got to understand who's leading this thing off to a point where you've got to get...
In the game, with me in the box game, I just wanted it to be right because I know how important it is For anybody who put their life on line to be a fighter and want to say it was fair.
I did it.
I did my all.
At least I got my opportunity.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Well, listen, Evander, I really appreciate your time.
I really appreciate you coming in here.
And like I said, I've been a giant fan your entire career.
So it was an honor to meet you and an honor to have you on here, brother.
Thank you very much.
evander holyfield
Thank you.
joe rogan
Evander Holyfield, ladies and gentlemen.
Thank you, sir.
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