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Feb. 1, 2011 - The Joe Rogan Experience
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JRE MMA Show #76 with Terence Crawford
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joe rogan
Ladies and gentlemen, one of the best boxers on planet Earth and his trainer, Bo Mack and Terrence Crawford.
Gentlemen, thank you very much for coming here.
brian bomac
Thank you, man.
joe rogan
We're live now.
terence crawford
Appreciate it, appreciate it.
joe rogan
Hey, man, I'm a big fan of yours.
We've talked about you many times on this podcast.
I'm a huge fan of the way you switch stances.
You know, you switch stances as smooth as anybody ever.
Like, you got to go back to Marvin Hagler to find a champ that switched stances like as fluidly as you.
It's pretty impressive stuff, man.
Have you always been doing that?
terence crawford
A lot of practice.
Yeah, since I was little, I remember getting in trouble because I used to always switch and my coach used to always say, you need to worry about fighting the one style first and perfecting that before you try to switch and do a different style.
But I'll always switch, so it got to the point where it was just like, alright, well, you're going to fight like that, we're going to train like that.
joe rogan
Wow, so you forced it through.
terence crawford
Right.
joe rogan
Wow.
Now, when you first started out, was there anybody that influenced you to switch like that, or was it just something you felt naturally?
terence crawford
It was just naturally.
joe rogan
Wow.
terence crawford
It was just like, alright, this is not working, so I've got to do something else.
joe rogan
Just make it more tricky.
That's part of what's interesting about watching you fight.
Watching you fight is that you can see you trying to figure out what's up.
Like first rounds when you fight is one of my favorite things to watch because I see you measuring dudes.
I see things happening and you're switching stances and then when you start finding the timing Timing is one of the more fascinating things to watch about boxing.
Because a guy who has perfect timing and perfect...
When you see a guy make a read and then execute and it's perfect, it's one of the most beautiful things in all of sports.
terence crawford
Right, right.
It's like you're watching every move and then you're just dissecting them slowly.
joe rogan
How do you think, do you think about it, like, when you start a round, a first round of a fight, is it different for every fighter, or do you always want to do that?
Do you always want to, like, put him into the computer?
terence crawford
No, it's different.
It's different.
Like, sometimes I just want to go out there and just be like, alright, I'm going to see what this dude got, see if he can take it.
joe rogan
Just go right to him.
terence crawford
Yeah.
And then sometimes I'll just be like, alright, I'm going to take my time and, you know, figure him out, see how fast he is, see, you know, what things he like to do and what he don't like to do, or see if I move this way, his reaction, just certain things.
joe rogan
You came to the UFC this weekend, and obviously I love MMA, but one of the things that I love about boxing is when you take away all the elements, you take away wrestling and kicking and all that stuff, you get the highest level of exchanges and punches.
And you get to see with guys like you or guys like Canelo or Floyd or the top-level boxers.
You get to see what's possible with guys that are training with the best scientific methods and with all the knowledge of all the past fighters.
I mean, when you were growing up, what was the fighter that influenced you the most?
terence crawford
Well, hands down Floyd Mayweather and Roy Jones Jr. You know, I used to...
Love watching Roy Jones Jr. I'm pretty sure everybody was a fan of Roy.
But set aside Roy, I always watched Floyd Mayweather and Pernell Whitaker.
I was too young for Sugar Ray Leonard and them.
joe rogan
I'm old enough for that.
I was there for the Sugar Ray Leonard days.
I was there for Sugar Ray Tommy Hearns, the Sugar Ray Duran.
I was there for all that stuff.
terence crawford
But I watched everything.
When I was young, my coach, Midge Minor, he used to always take me to his house and watch boxing tapes.
That was to keep me off the streets and keep me out of trouble until I went to the gym.
joe rogan
Is he still around?
terence crawford
Nah, he passed.
joe rogan
Damn, he'd probably be like, look at that.
Boy, did that work out.
You know, we talk about an investment in time that worked out tremendously.
Yeah, it's always, in our culture, there's a special place for the highest level of boxers.
There's a special place of admiration.
And I just feel like, with guys like Lomachenko, with guys like you, with Canelo and Triple G, this is a great time for boxing.
It's fun to watch, man.
There's so many...
Earl Spence Jr. There's so many elite boxers right now.
It's like a really exciting time.
terence crawford
For sure, for sure.
joe rogan
Do you recognize your place in history?
Do you recognize that you're a special dude?
terence crawford
Of course, of course.
Like I always tell people when they mention me and Errol Spence, you know, of course I want the fight.
I tell everybody that.
I always say, with or without him, I'm going to the Hall of Fame.
When you look at all the things that I've accomplished in the sport of boxing, People that's in the Hall of Fame didn't even accomplish that.
So I just tell people, I don't need him.
He really needs me.
joe rogan
Well, we need it.
Boxing, right?
Don't you agree?
brian bomac
Yeah, boxing do need that fight.
joe rogan
Boxing needs it.
I mean, it's one of the beautiful things about when a Canelo and a Triple G do get together.
You see these guys in their respective weight classes that are in their prime.
It's fun.
That's what everybody wants to see.
That's the fight, right?
terence crawford
That's what it's all about.
brian bomac
You need to stop a whole lot of barbershop conversations.
joe rogan
Yes!
You need to stop a whole lot of comedy club conversations, barbershop, garage, everywhere.
Yeah, that's the fight to make in your weight class right now, right?
terence crawford
For sure.
joe rogan
What's the hold up?
terence crawford
You gotta ask them.
joe rogan
Oh, it's them?
Well, everybody has to hold out a little bit, right?
You get the best deal, right?
terence crawford
Yeah, that's cool.
You know, it's all about business, but at the same time, my side of the deal is ready whenever.
brian bomac
And you can see all the interviews out there, man.
You can see where if it's Terrence or myself or Bob or anybody that's affiliated with Tim Crawford, We all say we want to fight.
We can have a fight tomorrow, you know, if we wanted to.
But we know, realistically, it won't happen.
joe rogan
So do you think that he's waiting for the right time marketing-wise, or do you think he's ready for the right time where his skills, he feels like, are able to challenge you?
What do you think is the actual hold-up?
terence crawford
I think it has something to do with top rank and PBC. Oh, okay.
joe rogan
So it's a promoter issue.
So it's a financial scramble.
terence crawford
I won't say financial because the money will be there if the fight was ever made.
I just think it's...
brian bomac
Eagles.
terence crawford
Yeah.
brian bomac
Eagles.
joe rogan
So do you think hopefully this is just something that's going to take a little while, but it will eventually come to play?
terence crawford
Of course.
I think it'll happen.
You know, but I think, you know...
Me being with top rank is standing in the way of a lot of things happening.
joe rogan
That makes sense.
That makes sense.
It's interesting that boxing promoters work together well at all.
terence crawford
Right.
joe rogan
Think about it.
If the UFC had to work with Bellator and put together some world championship fight, basically, there's so many times you get champion versus champion, they have two different promoters and they have to decide to get together and make this happen.
unidentified
Mm.
brian bomac
Who want to get the most of the pot?
That's probably what it is.
terence crawford
Or what network it's going to be on.
If it's going to be on Fox or ESPN and who's going to promote it.
joe rogan
It's also like when someone like Floyd Mayweather has done what he's done and sold the kind of pay-per-views that he's sold and achieved this sort of level of financial fame as well.
He's famous not just for being the best boxer, but famous for being...
Insanely rich.
Like, that's part of the fame.
terence crawford
Because he promoted.
joe rogan
Yes!
Because he promoted.
Because he figured it out.
And a lot of other people are going to probably try to do the same thing as well.
terence crawford
Right.
That's just not my style.
joe rogan
Too busy, right?
terence crawford
Too busy.
joe rogan
Yeah, man.
I mean, you got to just stay busy being Terrence Crawford.
You don't want to be promoting.
That seems like a lot of pain in the ass, man.
brian bomac
I'll do all that.
I'll do all the promoting around my mouth and shit.
joe rogan
What about after you're done?
When your career's over, when you retire, do you think you do some promoting then or training?
What would you do?
terence crawford
No, I'll just be in my gym back at home.
My coach got us a gym and just put my time and effort into the kids in the gym and my five kids that I have.
joe rogan
Beautiful.
Yeah, that's a solid plan.
You don't need to get involved in that promoting shit.
brian bomac
He do get in the gym sometimes and work with the fighters.
joe rogan
Do you?
terence crawford
Yeah.
joe rogan
Why's that funny?
brian bomac
Because it's funny to see him work with them because...
After about two rounds, he'll say, I can't do this shit, man.
joe rogan
Is he not listening?
terence crawford
No, man.
It's like you telling him over and over to do one little simple thing and just say, you tell him, keep your right hand up.
brian bomac
Right.
terence crawford
And then keep going like this.
He'll be like...
joe rogan
Are you talking about brand new people?
terence crawford
Yeah, even boxers that have been boxing for years that they really don't have the fundamentals down to a T. And you're like, dude, you've been boxing too long for you to still be making the same mistake.
And it's like, I only can say certain things for so long.
And then it's just like, alright, I ain't saying it no more.
joe rogan
Well, yeah, your opinion is as valuable as anybody alive.
You're one of the best fucking boxers ever.
You're a beginning boxer, and Terrence Crawford's teaching you something and you're not listening?
brian bomac
They're probably nervous as shit.
terence crawford
Probably!
joe rogan
For sure!
For sure.
That's crazy that you'd be working with beginners.
That must be wild for them.
terence crawford
I work with all of them.
joe rogan
That's awesome.
That's gotta freak them out, though.
terence crawford
Especially the ones that's professional.
And they be in the gym and I be yelling at them.
They be on the mix with Bo Mack.
I come over there and critique them and they be like, shit, here come Bud.
They look at me like, am I doing it right?
Am I doing it right?
You know, so I just want everybody to win.
I just keep them sharp.
joe rogan
Well, when someone has achieved that level, the level that you have, anybody around you that gets a chance to watch you train and be a part of that, that's gigantic to see something like that in the gym.
Wouldn't you agree just to see an elite world champion?
brian bomac
I mean, for just having him around in the gym when he's not even supposed to be training or...
Just being around and the other fighters around is phenomenal because you see this little extra push in the guys.
joe rogan
Sure.
brian bomac
Or like he'll come and run with them and I can see the smaller guys trying to get ahead of him.
It's cool, man.
It's cool.
It's really cool.
joe rogan
Yeah that's uh do you think about that how much you're inspiring guys?
terence crawford
Of course all the time that's why I come to the gym when Bomek be like man just take a rest just relax.
I come to the gym and work out when you know I don't have nothing coming up just so I can show them like even though I'm the champion of the world I still work extra hard to make sure I stay champion because it's harder To keep the championship title than getting there.
joe rogan
It's one of the more beautiful things about boxing is there's no shortcuts.
brian bomac
None.
joe rogan
For the best ever, you have to train.
You have to train hard as fuck.
You just got to do it when you don't want to do it.
There's no doubt about it.
You got to do everything you're supposed to do.
There's no ifs, ands, or buts.
And if you don't, it'll fuck with your head.
terence crawford
And that's one thing I took from Floyd Mayweather.
You will always see him working out.
I don't care if he...
Was at a bar.
You'll see him running from the bar.
He got his little workout clothes in his little TMT van and he just ran home.
You'll see him 3 o'clock in the morning.
Man, let's go work out.
And that's what I admire the most is his work ethic.
joe rogan
His work ethic's off the chart.
It's the only way you'd be that good.
There's no other way.
I mean, yeah, he understands boxing at a level that he grew up with it, having his dad and his uncle and all that.
The family, so many great boxers around him all the time.
But you don't get that good without insane work ethic.
There's no shortcuts.
terence crawford
No, not at all.
I have never seen nobody...
Like, put as much work in as Floyd.
So that's why, you know, for me, I'm like thinking to myself, I gotta work twice as hard, you know, if I want to get above him.
Because I never want to be like anybody.
I always want to be myself, but I want to surpass the people that was in front of me.
joe rogan
Was it eye-opening when you got to watch him train?
terence crawford
Of course.
Of course.
You know, when I was younger, it lets me know that I wasn't working as hard.
joe rogan
Yeah.
terence crawford
So now when fighters come to my camp or I bring in some sparring partners or some friends that's professional that just want to, you know, come to camp and just experience just being in camp with a world champion, they all say the same thing.
Man, I thought I was working hard until I came up here, man.
You work too hard.
And it ain't for some people because some people, they just be like, I can't do it today.
Nah, I'm going to let y'all do them too.
I'm going to go to the gym, but I ain't going to do the other stuff.
And I just be like, man, come on, man.
They're like, man, my body.
I'm like, man, see, that's what's going to determine winning and losing.
You complaining about your body when you can rest later.
joe rogan
Right.
What other stuff are you trying to get them to do?
I know you do a lot of stair running, right?
terence crawford
I do a lot of everything.
I do yoga, I do strength and conditioning, I do swimming.
brian bomac
Hot yoga too.
joe rogan
You do hot yoga?
I love that.
brian bomac
Hey Joe, I used to do it too, dawg.
joe rogan
Listen, man.
Everybody can do it.
terence crawford
It's just a mixture of, you know, just all-around body working out.
joe rogan
What do you find that you get out of yoga?
terence crawford
Man, yoga is harder than you think.
You know, you in there, you got to control your breathing.
You know, just holding your hands in certain positions is tiring.
So, them little muscles that you really not using, you know, in a day-to-day, Yeah, it helps with a bunch of things.
joe rogan
It's just interesting that more fighters don't adopt it.
I think anything that makes your body more flexible and increases your range of motion and then gives you strength.
It feels like when I do yoga, all the connecting stuff, like the shoulders and hips and knees, all that gets this extra stability workout that you don't really get from a lot of other things.
I feel like it connects everything together good.
terence crawford
And it helps you prevent injuries.
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah.
Now, speaking of that, what do you do in terms of recovery?
Do you do ice baths or sauna and massage?
What kind of shit do you do?
terence crawford
Massaging.
I don't like the cold.
You don't like the cold?
I normally take Epsom salt baths and just get massages.
joe rogan
That's a grown up in Nebraska thing though, right?
brian bomac
What's that?
joe rogan
Cold.
terence crawford
Yeah.
It's cold in Nebraska, but I'm used to that cold.
But I just can't fix myself to get in an ice tub.
I never was that type.
joe rogan
It's hard.
terence crawford
Yeah, it is hard.
I'd be like...
joe rogan
You pick your poison.
terence crawford
Yeah, I'd stick my feet in there and be like, I ain't getting in there.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's rough.
terence crawford
They'd be like, come on, it's going to help you.
All right, it's going to help me next time.
Yeah.
joe rogan
Have you ever fucked with cryotherapy?
unidentified
You ever tried that?
terence crawford
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I did that one time.
joe rogan
That's easier.
terence crawford
Yeah, it was cool because it's dry.
joe rogan
It's dry and it's only three minutes.
terence crawford
Yeah, but that ice bath, I'll do the cryo.
The ice bath, nah, I'll be sore.
joe rogan
I don't know what the science says.
What's better?
I've heard both things.
I've heard that the ice bath's better because it's prolonged because it's like 15 minutes and I've heard that cryo's better because you...
Hit your body with such a high degree of cold that it freaks out and produces these cold shock proteins better.
But either one, you do those.
You do massage.
You do yoga.
I know you do strength and conditioning stuff.
Watch your Instagram.
You got a great Instagram.
And your kids are wrestlers, right?
terence crawford
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's awesome.
terence crawford
Yeah.
joe rogan
Do you think your kids ever fight MMA? No.
terence crawford
Actually, I'm trying to convert them to baseball.
joe rogan
Really?
terence crawford
Probably in the next year.
You know, because it ain't that much money in wrestling.
joe rogan
It's true.
terence crawford
You know, when you look at the MMA fighters, they ain't making a lot of money.
Get beat up like they're getting beat up.
Look at Pettis.
He broke his feet, right?
joe rogan
Yeah, it looked like he broke one of his ankles, maybe, or at least hurt it.
terence crawford
I'm pretty sure he didn't make over $300,000 for that fight.
joe rogan
I'd like to know.
See if we find out how much Anthony Pettis made for that fight.
He broke his foot for sure?
unidentified
Yes.
joe rogan
Oh yeah, he was walking around or being pushed around in a wheelchair today on Instagram.
Yeah, it's rough.
terence crawford
You see people get kneed, kicked in the face, teeth.
joe rogan
Do you look at it as being more brutal than boxing?
terence crawford
Yeah.
You take more risk in UFC. Boxing, more head injuries, but UFC more risk.
joe rogan
Yeah, for sure for injuries, right?
Broken bones and ankles and knees and shit.
terence crawford
Yeah, and I just think it ain't worth all that.
Boxing ain't worth a lot of things too because you seeing people die in the ring and it ain't worth your life at the end of the day.
joe rogan
When you decide to hang it up, how will you know when?
terence crawford
Well, me personally, I won't think I'll ever know when, but I just got a date and an age like, all right, you know, middle 30s.
joe rogan
How old are you now?
terence crawford
I'll be 32 next month.
joe rogan
So you're close.
terence crawford
Close.
joe rogan
So you have it in your head.
Just go out on top.
Like, Marvin Hagler was one of the only ones to ever do it.
He went out on top.
Another switch hitter.
Marvin Hagler was the only one out of all the greats who lost that fight.
Controversial loss to Sugar Ray Leonard.
Like, fuck this.
I'm done.
terence crawford
Just walked away.
Nope.
joe rogan
Nope.
Never.
Never came back.
brian bomac
His last fight was Ray Litton, wasn't it?
joe rogan
Yep.
Yep.
That was it.
Controversial loss to Leonard.
Became a movie star in Italy.
You ever seen his movies in Italy?
terence crawford
No, I just know you.
joe rogan
Want to watch some clips?
It's hilarious.
You can pull up Marvin Hagler fucking people up.
He's like a movie star.
He does these crazy Italian movies.
What is this?
unidentified
This is how much he made.
joe rogan
$155,000.
Wow.
unidentified
Another $155,000 if he won.
joe rogan
So Diaz made a flat $250,000 for the win.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
They used to, before the Reebok deal, they used to make much more than that.
Way more for sponsorships.
unidentified
Yeah.
terence crawford
Because I got a buddy, Mursa Bechtit.
joe rogan
Yeah, I know that guy.
He's really good.
Very talented.
Oh, is he?
Oh, okay.
Cool.
terence crawford
He's from Bosnia, but he lives in Lincoln, Nebraska.
joe rogan
Oh, okay.
terence crawford
You know, real good friends.
Real good friends.
joe rogan
Talented kid.
terence crawford
Yeah, and they just always say, alright, well, we get paid for this if we win, this for showing up, this if we get best knockout of the day.
joe rogan
Whatever.
This is Marvin Hagler as an action hero.
And this is, like, not far after the fight with Indio 2, because there was a lot of shit that was unresolved after Indio 1. He was...
brian bomac
I've never seen that before.
joe rogan
Oh, these are spaghetti westerns, but for, you know, whatever year this...
Marvin Haggard shooting everybody.
unidentified
This is hilarious.
terence crawford
So can he speak the language?
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah.
Apparently he speaks Italian.
And, you know, he's a star over there.
terence crawford
Wow.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Look at him.
terence crawford
Body shot.
joe rogan
But he just decided, like, I don't want to box anymore.
I'm done.
terence crawford
That's good for him, though.
He don't gotta get punched in the head no more.
joe rogan
He speaks perfect.
When you hear him speak today, they do...
Have you met him?
Never.
I'd love to.
Yeah, I'd like to meet that guy.
He was my hero when I was a kid.
I remember there was a video of him.
He was training for a Mustafa Ham show, and he's running down Cape Cod in the winter with a hoodie on, just screaming, war!
unidentified
War!
joe rogan
All the cold coming out of his mouth, the steam, and he's running.
I was like, oh my god.
Because I was doing martial arts back then, and I was watching him going like, that's the ultimate champion.
That's a champion that puts himself in a terrible place, puts himself down on the cape in the wintertime to do all his training in the cold.
He runs in the cold, and he runs in combat boots too.
He ran in combat boots.
He was hard as fuck.
And he just had crazy work ethic.
Crazy work ethic.
And I remember whenever I would think about being lazy, I would think of him running down the beach going, Roar!
unidentified
Just shadow punching in the beach.
Roar!
terence crawford
It's crazy that you say that, because I remember when we was little, we used to always run in the cold.
I mean, it'd be so cold where the snot is freezing up, you tearing up, but as you get older, you'd be like, man, I ain't about to run in that cold.
unidentified
I don't know.
terence crawford
I ran on the treadmill.
joe rogan
Well, you already know.
You already know you know how to fight.
You already know how to persevere.
You already know you're a champion.
You already know you're at the top of the game.
You don't have to prove that to yourself anymore.
You know how tough you are.
terence crawford
No, no.
It'd be times that I'd just be like, all right, we need that hardcore work.
Let's go.
Everybody'd be like, what?
We ain't going to Y? No, we're going to...
brian bomac
Man, one time, one time...
We ran right after Thanksgiving dinner.
joe rogan
Oh, no.
Right after?
brian bomac
Right after Thanksgiving dinner.
Everybody's stuffed.
I don't get out there.
I just get in the truck.
unidentified
Yeah, let's go.
joe rogan
Come on.
brian bomac
Everybody's like, what?
unidentified
What?
terence crawford
So, he made Thanksgiving dinner.
And we're in training camp.
So, you know, we all got a little weight and stuff.
And Paul made all this food.
Man, we all grubbing and stuff.
And then, so, I'm eating.
After I get done eating, I'm like, Man, I'm stuffed.
I'm like, man, I can't wake up this heavy.
I was like, man, everybody, let's get it ready to go and run.
And everybody looking at me laying down like, man, it's cold.
You for real?
So we running with these little flashlights.
Oh, man, like hiker lights.
Yeah, where you go fishing and stuff.
So we all running.
Everybody hunking.
Doo-doo.
It's at night.
It was pretty chill.
joe rogan
Wow.
Yeah, but that kind of shit, like what Floyd Mayweather does, that 2 o'clock in the morning workout routine.
It's good to just throw monkey wrenches into your sense of what you should be doing and when.
Be ready to do it always.
That's why that cold weather running is big.
Cold weather running.
Those people that live in cold climates that run in the winter, man, that's a hardy breed of human.
That's not a regular person that decides.
Nobody's got a gun to your head.
It's not your job.
You decide to put your fucking running shoes on and lace up and go out there when it's zero.
terence crawford
It's kind of like before I fought AmeriCon and I was down there shadowboxing in the snow in that blizzard.
brian bomac
Oh, yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
terence crawford
I put it on my Instagram.
Everybody was like, oh, he training for Spence.
unidentified
We got like 10 inches that day.
brian bomac
It was a pleasure.
And we actually got knocked off a couple days from leaving for training camp.
terence crawford
Wow.
brian bomac
Because there was so much fucking snow, dude.
joe rogan
But there's something about that.
Even you talking about it, you know it's kind of wild.
You're out there boxing in the snow, shadowboxing in the middle of a blizzard.
Something wild about that.
terence crawford
But it's crazy, though, because when it's snowing, it's not that cold.
joe rogan
Right.
It's true, isn't it?
Yeah.
It insulates a little bit in some weird way.
terence crawford
I was just sitting in the house, and it was just like, man, go outside and do something.
So I went outside, ran a little bit, and then I come home, and I was like, Come here.
He's like, what?
Like, come and record me.
Shadowboxing and stuff after I ran.
So it was cool.
joe rogan
So when I see you doing those stair runs, you do that quite a bit, right?
terence crawford
Right.
Every Sunday.
joe rogan
Where do you do that at?
terence crawford
In a Cotteron Springs.
joe rogan
You probably won't tell anybody where you go.
terence crawford
They know.
joe rogan
They know?
It's in Cotteron Springs.
Oh, okay.
That's a famous spot, right?
terence crawford
Yeah, Manitou Springs.
joe rogan
How many steps is that, that whole thing?
Something crazy, right?
brian bomac
It's a mile and a half up, I believe.
terence crawford
No, it's a mile.
joe rogan
A mile up a hill.
How long does it take you to get up there?
terence crawford
Probably like 35 minutes, 34. That's a fucking horrible run.
You're not running.
We walk up.
But some people run it.
joe rogan
Oh, you walk it?
terence crawford
Yeah, that's...
Insane.
Them people that be running insane.
Because the air getting thinner and thinner as you go.
And then the steps.
You got some steps that's like this.
That's small.
And then you got some steps where you got to really reach.
Oh.
joe rogan
So if you're running and you slip.
terence crawford
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's a fucked up tumble.
terence crawford
Yes, for real.
For real.
joe rogan
Yeah.
terence crawford
Like, when you up at the top, you feel like you in the clouds sometimes.
Like, looking down.
Like, the cars is...
It's a straight shot.
joe rogan
Would you do your training camp up there in Colorado Springs?
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
Just for the altitude?
terence crawford
Yeah.
I actually got a house up there.
joe rogan
Oh, really?
You just go back and do it for each camp?
What made you decide to do your camps out there?
terence crawford
Just to get away from home, you know, clear my head, get away from all the negativity.
I've been doing it since 2013. 2013. So do you have a gym set up at the house?
joe rogan
Oh, that's nice.
I saw Canelo had something like that down in San Diego.
There was a thing when he was training for one of his fights.
They just rented a house, turned the garage into a boxing ring.
So you do that kind of thing?
You have it all set up out there?
terence crawford
Yeah.
joe rogan
A lot of guys do that at Big Bear too, right?
terence crawford
Yeah.
It's similar to that.
joe rogan
Yeah, having that high altitude, is that what you prefer?
Like for your wind?
terence crawford
Yeah, that helped my win, but at the same time, everything is already set up.
Everything from the yoga, to the swimming, to the gym, to everything.
It's like a second home to me.
So it's not like I gotta go look and find where I'm gonna do this, where I'm gonna do this.
It's like everything is everything.
My family come up there and visit me.
And we get the job done.
joe rogan
It's all locked in.
terence crawford
Right.
joe rogan
Now, when you go up there, who sets your schedule as far as what your daily routine is?
brian bomac
I know.
joe rogan
You said everything, yoga, everything?
brian bomac
Well, it's two more coaches that helps me, Sao Diego and Red Spikes.
So we all get together.
We make a calendar like a month in advance.
joe rogan
Now when you do things like when you add in yoga and swimming, how do you know when to put those in?
brian bomac
Well, everything was always, it started off with a trial and error back in 2013. Grab that microphone.
joe rogan
Pull it up close to you.
There you go.
Like I said, it moves all over the place.
brian bomac
All right.
Like I said, it started with a trial and error.
2013, you know, we tried this and we tried that and we started doing this and we started doing that.
And then, you know, just look at the fighter and just see if it's working for him, you know?
And if it's working for him, you want to stick with it.
And then you start adding little small things into it, like the yoga and the swimming, the running, you know, the incline.
So after so many amount of years, I think since 13, I mean, he just works like clockwork now.
joe rogan
Now, do you monitor in your heart rate, or how do you know, like, do you do any of that stuff while you're training?
brian bomac
Nothing?
joe rogan
Just go by feel?
Yeah.
There's two schools of thought, right?
The schools of thought is like the old way is the best way.
Like, just do hard shit, chop wood, you know, run, do the standard stuff.
And then there's other people that watch their macros, and, you know, you're smiling.
You're not watching any macros.
terence crawford
I know what you're talking about, but we don't do none of that.
brian bomac
Yeah, I think we train more or less like the old school way, but we do got some of the new stuff in, like the strength and conditioning.
We got the strength and conditioning guy, Jamie Belt.
He's excellent.
And he kind of adds a little stuff, new modern age stuff into the workouts.
terence crawford
Like, sometimes I'll be wanting to do more and he'll be like, no, that was enough for you.
Like, you might not think you did enough, but trust me, you'll feel it tomorrow.
But you wake up tomorrow and you're like, God damn, I don't really is sore.
brian bomac
But there's sometimes, like, I'll add in some stuff and just, you know, try to make things different.
He'll look at me saying, nah, but we're not doing that.
terence crawford
Because you already be like dead and he be like trying to add extra stuff or he'll be like one more round.
All right, come on, one more round.
And then you'll do that one more round and then be like, all right, we got one more round, y'all.
You be like, man, I just pushed everything out of that last round because you said that was the last round.
Well, come on, baby.
Come on.
I'm not about to argue with you so you can be great.
So it's like, alright.
joe rogan
With a fighter, there's got to be a balancing point, right?
You don't want him to do too much.
So when that guy told you, that's enough for today, and you want to keep going, that's the natural inclination is to work harder.
It's that weird balancing point where you've got to figure out when you're overtraining.
terence crawford
Right.
joe rogan
So if you're not monitoring your heart rate or anything like that, you just basically, if you have a flat day, you feel flat, you just chill out.
terence crawford
Yeah, yeah.
So just all by feel.
Sometimes, Bo always asks me before we go work out, how you feeling?
How you feeling?
I'm like, I'm good, Bo, I'm good.
Or sometimes I'll be like, man, I'm tired.
He'll be like, all right, well, we're just going to coast today.
Like, if it's sparring day, he'll be like, all right, well, don't be trying to do too much.
We're just going to spar, hit the mitts, get out.
We ain't going to do no bag.
We ain't going to do nothing extra.
And then after I do the bag and sparring, I mean, not the bag, but the mitts and spar, I might be feeling good.
And I'll be like, man, let's do it.
He'll be like, no, you said you weren't feeling good at first.
unidentified
Listen.
terence crawford
Come on.
Let's go.
joe rogan
That's the hardest part, right?
terence crawford
Yeah.
joe rogan
To know when to pull it back?
terence crawford
Right.
Because he knows me.
He's been with me since the beginning.
So he knows just by looking at me, you know, what type of day I'm having.
Like, either in the gym or outside the gym.
joe rogan
That's got to be important, isn't it?
Like, knowing him from the time when he was younger and just starting out to today?
brian bomac
It definitely is, man.
It plays a big part in the relationship as far as, like I say, inside the ring and outside the ring.
Because, you know, as a trainer, you'll never want your fighter to overtrain.
You'll never want him to undertrain.
But I'll never have to worry about him undertraining because he's always in the gym.
But I do have to worry about him overtraining.
Because he's always in the gym.
You know what I'm saying?
Like you said, some days, we're going to pull back this week.
Why, man?
He's been training already for eight weeks.
We've still got one or two more weeks to go before we hit the actual peak point.
You know, alright, we'll pull back, you know?
And then sometimes you get hard-headed and say, no, come on, man, let me do a little bit more.
Alright, do a little bit more, but don't do too much, you know?
You ain't got to put your all into it, you know?
Just move around a little bit, you know?
You got to do basically all fighters like that, especially fighters, good fighters, because most good fighters like Terrence and Other fighters, Jamel Harris, Steve Nelson, you got to pull them guys back.
You always got to pull them back because they always want to go, go, go, go, go, go.
Because they always got this win in them.
I got to fucking win.
I got to fucking win.
I understand that.
I want you to fucking win too, but I don't want you to break your body down.
I don't want you to do your boxing inside the gym.
You got to have something left when you go to the fight.
joe rogan
That's a lesson that's very hard for young guys to learn, right?
brian bomac
Oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
But it's so critical to know where your body is.
At this stage of your career, I would imagine you just kind of feel it.
When you're in training camp and you're gearing up for a fight, is that how it feels?
Like you know where you're at?
Like, oh, this is where I'm supposed to be.
I feel this right here.
terence crawford
This is normal.
It's funny, though, because every fight, every single fight before the fight, you know, Bomek always...
Waiting to hear me be like, oh man, I'm ready.
I'm ready.
Like, sometimes it'd be a week before the fight.
Sometimes it'd be two weeks before the fight.
But when you hear it, That's what I've been waiting on.
It's like, now I'm comfortable.
Because, like, sometimes he just be like, he'll look at me.
I'll be working and stuff, and then he don't say nothing.
But then when I come to him, like, yeah, I'm ready.
He be like, he said he ready.
joe rogan
He said he ready.
brian bomac
You get that from the fighter.
Right, right.
Fuck that shit, man.
I'll beat this motherfucker's ass.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Well, because you guys know each other so well and you work together so long, you must say, okay, here we are.
We're where we're supposed to be.
You've been there.
It falls right into place.
terence crawford
My biggest thing that I always told Bo, ever since I was an amateur, because I remember losing a couple of fights because I didn't train as hard and I got tired and I couldn't really do too much.
And I always told Bo, I said, Bo, if I'm in the best shape that I possibly can be in, nobody beat me.
Nobody.
And then Bo was like, I know.
That's why you need to quit bullshitting.
That's a real friend.
joe rogan
That's a real trainer and a real friend.
terence crawford
So it just got to the point where I just started training real, real hard.
How old were you when this happened?
I was a teenager.
I just started training not to get tired.
If I can go in there and fight and not get tired, I'm going to win.
That's what I always said.
joe rogan
So the switch flipped.
You figured it out.
terence crawford
I was losing the people that I shouldn't have lost to.
Just head down, just swinging all wild, but they was in shape.
And I was trying to be all cute and slick and get tired.
Now it's a matter of life and death.
Me holding, they pushing me.
I'm falling all over the place as a little kid.
And I was just like, I'll never get that tired ever again in a fight.
joe rogan
It's a important lesson for young fighters to hear.
Such an important lesson that there's no shortcut.
When you look at a guy like Terrence Crawford, you say, well, that guy must be insanely talented.
His timing, his reads on people, the ability to switch stances.
You say, well, yeah, how'd that come about?
That talent came about through relentless hard work.
That's what makes that talent emerge.
I'm sure you have an amazing inclination for boxing.
Every elite of the elite fighter does.
But you don't get to be there without any hard work.
It doesn't exist.
There's no way.
There's no way.
That's so important for young fighters to hear.
brian bomac
That's what a lot of guys don't see is that hard work in the gym.
joe rogan
Yeah.
brian bomac
You know what I'm saying?
terence crawford
It's hard work at home.
When you look at any top fighter, and you look at all the sacrifices they make just to be where they're at, and you have people taking shots at them and stuff, and they'll be like, man, you don't know what I did.
Put my body through to be here today.
Or you didn't know what I went through.
And it's just like total disrespect for somebody that haven't even stepped foot in the ring to be trying to critique you when they ain't even stepped foot to get punched in the face before.
joe rogan
They can never really understand, though, right?
No one can ever really understand what it takes to be an elite boxer.
The future of your family, the future of yourself, your financial success, and all the people around you is dependent on you navigating the most shark-filled waters in professional sports.
A bunch of train killers with their hands.
Everybody's real good at knocking other people out with their hands, and you're successfully navigating those waters.
No one really understands that other than you.
terence crawford
Right.
joe rogan
You and all the other people, people on the outside that are close to you kind of get it a little bit.
You are the only one who's ever going to be able to understand that.
So all these people talking shit, they might as well be speaking a language they don't even know what the meaning is.
It's nonsense.
They're saying nonsense.
terence crawford
And it's just like you got a bullseye on your head and your back.
Because you reverse.
First you had your eye on somebody.
And you was like, man, I gotta beat this dude.
After this dude, I gotta beat this dude.
So you was eyeing that person that was in your shoes, you know, that was once champion of the world.
Like, I was eyeing Ricky Burns when I was coming up.
You know, and after I beat him, now everybody's eyeing me because I'm champ now.
So it's no more Ricky Burns.
It's Terrence Crawford.
We gotta get Terrence Crawford.
He's the champ.
So now it's like, damn.
Everybody wants your head.
So now you've got to train even harder to keep the title.
joe rogan
Do you ever have guys show up at your gym, talk shit, like Shannon Briggs style?
terence crawford
Nah, we ain't.
brian bomac
Ain't nobody coming to Omaha, man.
unidentified
Let's go, champ!
joe rogan
Shannon Briggs, if you were his weight class, he would show up at Omaha.
terence crawford
No.
joe rogan
Let's go, champ!
He's hilarious.
terence crawford
He would leave Omaha the same way he came in.
He and a man got beat up by somebody.
joe rogan
You ever see what he did to Vladimir Klitschko?
terence crawford
When they cut each other and that?
joe rogan
No, when they were...
Well, there's a couple times.
One, at a restaurant, poured water on his head.
terence crawford
And he cut it.
He cut himself.
joe rogan
Oh, that's right from the broken glass, right?
terence crawford
Yeah, he cut himself.
joe rogan
But the other time, he was on a wakeboard or on a paddleboard.
terence crawford
That's why I think that was staged.
joe rogan
Do you think it was staged?
terence crawford
I think it was staged.
joe rogan
Seems like it was staged.
terence crawford
How do you know where this man at every single time he goes somewhere?
joe rogan
That's a good point.
terence crawford
And then you just so happen to have some good cameras getting the footage.
joe rogan
It's true.
terence crawford
They want some good cameras.
joe rogan
But Shannon wisely would travel with good cameras and then just start making these scenes.
brian bomac
He never fought.
joe rogan
Yeah, he did never fight him.
brian bomac
I think he fought him when he was younger or something.
He knocked him out or something like that.
joe rogan
Vitale.
Vitale knocked him out.
Yeah.
He fought the older brother, Vitale.
terence crawford
He was a monster.
joe rogan
Yeah.
That's what he fought, right?
I believe he fought Vitale.
terence crawford
Vitale.
joe rogan
That's how you say it.
Vitale.
That's how you say it.
Vitale.
That guy had an iron jaw.
The brother.
Nobody could knock out the brother.
It was crazy.
That guy would just take bombs.
Remember when he fought Lennox Lewis?
terence crawford
Yeah, Vitale.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Took bombs.
I mean, that guy was so goddamn durable.
terence crawford
He would have won that fight if he wouldn't have got that cut.
joe rogan
Giant cut.
Yeah, he was winning.
What a weird style, too, right?
He had one of the most awkward, like, so strange watching him throw punches, but it was effective.
terence crawford
He reminded me of Drago off Rocky.
joe rogan
A little bit, yeah.
That guy's a doctor.
He's got a PhD.
I think he speaks like five languages.
What did they call him?
Dr. Ironfist?
Wasn't that his name?
brian bomac
Yep.
joe rogan
What a character.
It's interesting, too.
The heavyweight division has now become the focal point of boxing again.
It's very exciting.
That's good.
Yeah, for a long time, Vladimir Klitschko was the heavyweight champion of the world, and for whatever reason, nobody gave a fuck.
It was weird.
brian bomac
Because he was dominating for all those years.
joe rogan
He was jabbing clutch.
Jabbing clutch.
terence crawford
I think it's because we didn't have the American champion.
joe rogan
Yeah.
terence crawford
For sure.
So everybody was like, ah, forget it.
joe rogan
That probably has something to do with it.
But if he was fighting, like if he was fighting the way Deontay Wilder does, who cares if he's from the moon?
terence crawford
Right.
joe rogan
Starching people like that.
We want to see that guy fight.
You don't care if that guy's from fucking Brazil or wherever he's from.
terence crawford
When he's laying that right hand, it's goodnight.
joe rogan
God damn!
It's one of those punches where people just go...
You see people in the audience going...
God!
He hits hard.
terence crawford
Even when he don't fully extend, it'd be like...
joe rogan
The crazy thing is when he fought Tyson Fury, he was 209. 209. That's nothing.
And he punches so fucking hard.
It's crazy.
That dude is an anomaly.
The fact that he won a bronze medal in the Olympics three years after taking up boxing.
terence crawford
Right.
joe rogan
It's insane.
It's just insane.
terence crawford
Yeah.
Because a lot of people, they asked me, because we was in the same trials in 2007. And it was like, do you ever remember Deontay Wilder and the amateurs?
I said, man, he came out of nowhere cracking people.
unidentified
Yeah.
terence crawford
I said, man, he never went on none of the duels or nothing.
He just came out of nowhere.
He's all the top guys in the heavyweight division.
unidentified
Crazy.
joe rogan
He's a unicorn, you know?
When you look at his record, what is it like?
39 knockouts out of 41 fights?
Is it something like that?
brian bomac
40 knockouts.
joe rogan
40 knockouts out of 41 fights?
brian bomac
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
39. Yeah, only two fights.
What is it?
The first one, was it Brazil?
No, no.
Brazil, he just knocked out.
Who went the distance?
Stiverne.
Stiverne went the distance in their first fight.
terence crawford
Stiverne.
joe rogan
Yeah, and then he flatlined him in the second fight.
That crazy one.
Dude, he hits dudes.
They go flying, man.
People go flying.
terence crawford
He got the right last name.
unidentified
Because he get wilded in the blood.
terence crawford
And once he gets wild, he starts.
joe rogan
How about that interview?
unidentified
To this day!
The dude interview him was like, shit, what did I do?
joe rogan
What the fuck did I do?
And then he uses hashtag till this day.
He uses that all the time on his Instagram, so that guy gets shell-shocked.
He gets PTSD every time he reads hashtag till this day.
He's like, no!
terence crawford
It's funny, though, because we all be saying that now.
unidentified
We be like, to this day, I ain't going back to that store.
To this day!
terence crawford
So everybody just...
joe rogan
Yeah, he took that phrase over.
That was a phrase that he just owned.
He took it over.
That's his now.
terence crawford
Oh, that's his.
joe rogan
That's his.
unidentified
100%.
terence crawford
To this day, that's his.
joe rogan
One interview.
To this day.
One interview.
One interview before a fight.
He's getting geared up.
terence crawford
But you see the look?
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
terence crawford
He's terrifying.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's fucking terrifying.
When you know how hard that guy hits and he's mad at you, you're like, shit!
brian bomac
This motherfucker about to knock me out.
joe rogan
Even if you know for sure, 100%, he would never do that.
It's like, you're in the room with a lion.
Like, oh no.
terence crawford
And he's aggressive.
joe rogan
Please, Mr. Lion.
Oh, you sure this thing's trained?
You sure it's not going to eat me?
He's so...
unidentified
Dude, that must have been terrifying.
terence crawford
Please blink.
joe rogan
He is fully geared up and ready for war before this fight.
That is hilarious.
That is hilarious.
So this whole division now, if you look at the heavyweight division between Andy Ruiz who just beats Anthony Joshua, and then they're going to try to figure out...
They were going to try to do that in Saudi Arabia, but apparently Andy's like, eh, we're going to fight in America.
terence crawford
He should have took it.
joe rogan
In Saudi Arabia?
terence crawford
A big money fight.
joe rogan
I'm sure.
Well, they're still going to do it.
They just...
Arguing over where it takes place.
brian bomac
So Saudi Arabia, is it off the table now?
joe rogan
I don't know.
Who knows, man?
I mean, you guys know better than me.
It's a lot of gamesmanship, right?
Like what you were talking about before.
Ego and stuff.
Same kind of deal, I'm sure, as the Errol Spence Jr. fight.
Same kind of deal.
They're jockeying to see who could get the...
And he's worried about him taking...
He's worried about taking some Mexican supplements while he's over in another country that they won't test him.
terence crawford
So he should have Vata or some testing that is going to go over there and test the fight.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's one of the reasons why people are going to love a dude like Andy Ruiz as a champion.
He looks like a regular folk.
He's got a lot of extra body fat.
He's a bad motherfucker, but Anthony Joshua looks like he was made in a lab.
He's got a perfect physique.
terence crawford
Man, it's crazy how big that dude got.
unidentified
He's huge.
terence crawford
Because, man, he wasn't that big at first.
But now he's slimming down.
But I think he put on a lot of weight to...
You know, Kerry with Valdemir.
joe rogan
Klitschko?
terence crawford
Klitschko.
joe rogan
Is that when he put all the weight on?
brian bomac
Yeah, I think so.
joe rogan
What kind of testing do they do for that fight?
terence crawford
They test you for everything.
joe rogan
But do they test you for everything at the weigh-ins?
terence crawford
No.
See, me?
I'm with the Vada...
joe rogan
You're in the full testing pool.
So they show up at 6 o'clock in the morning, the whole deal.
terence crawford
Yeah, they can test me right now if they wanted to.
joe rogan
So they might be waiting outside right now.
terence crawford
It's cool because I'm good.
joe rogan
But when he fought Vladimir and he got all big, would they do any kind of water testing?
terence crawford
I don't know what type of contract or what they signed for on their fight contract, but I know me.
When I'm in training camp, they come whenever.
They'll come.
6 o'clock in the morning and turn around and come to 6 o'clock at night if they want to.
joe rogan
That's a point of diminishing returns when you get too much muscle, right?
It can make you stronger, but that's going to need a lot of oxygen, too.
And if your body's not used to it, if this is over the course of a year or two, all of a sudden you've got this extra muscle, like...
Are you a fan of guys lifting a lot of weights?
brian bomac
No, hell no.
Lightweight, yeah.
Lightweight just to stay strong.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Well, I have Evander Holyfield.
We're scheduling Evander Holyfield.
I'm excited.
I'm a huge Evander Holyfield fan.
But he was one of the rare guys that put on the mass and moved up from cruiserweight to heavyweight and fucking still never got tired.
I mean, Evander never got tired.
terence crawford
Because he put the work in.
joe rogan
Crazy work ethic.
And he was a guy that got thick and muscular, but it didn't slow him down.
It enhanced him, you know?
Especially when you get into, like, the Tyson fights.
Like, that muscle didn't hold impact at all, and he was fucking jacked.
I mean, he was...
In comparison to cruiserweight of Andrew Holyfield, you look at heavyweight of Andrew Holyfield, like the Riddick Bowe fights...
brian bomac
Yeah, he did swell up a lot.
joe rogan
Fuck, he was jacked.
terence crawford
He was cut, though.
joe rogan
Yes, chiseled.
Yeah.
brian bomac
That's what Joshua should do.
Cut down a little bit, chisel up, and get mobile.
joe rogan
He's not mobile.
This was something that he got mad at Lennox Lewis for saying that he needs to change camps.
Do you think that makes sense?
brian bomac
Maybe he should sit down with his team and figure out where they went wrong at.
I don't think about it.
I don't think he should change camps.
Everything.
joe rogan
The word was that he had gotten knocked out in training.
You heard that as well?
brian bomac
By Joey.
joe rogan
Well, if Terrence Crawford heard it, shit's got to be real.
That's what I'm saying.
I'm putting it on Twitter now.
terence crawford
I won't say it feels real or fake.
I'm just saying I heard it.
joe rogan
You heard it, yeah.
terence crawford
But you know.
joe rogan
Most people heard that.
terence crawford
Rumors go around and everybody hears it and it's not even true.
joe rogan
That could happen, right?
Like Richard Gere with that gerbil up his ass.
Remember that one?
Do you remember that rumor?
I heard that.
Everybody heard that, right?
You never heard that?
terence crawford
He said a gerbil up his head.
joe rogan
You heard it, right?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Tell him the rumor.
brian bomac
I just heard the rumor.
I don't know why.
joe rogan
When we were kids, there was a rumor that Richard Gere had to go to the hospital to get a gerbil taken out of his ass.
Now, I grew up in the East Coast.
My friend Eddie grew up in California.
He heard the same story.
I was like, this is the same goddamn rumor.
Like, how does rumor get across the country with the same age?
terence crawford
Right.
joe rogan
No internet.
The rumor made it all the way across the country when we were in high school.
terence crawford
So was it true or not?
joe rogan
I think you get a gerbil out yourself.
You don't need to go to a hospital.
It's not worth the embarrassment.
You'll take some time to go to the store and buy some tweezers.
You don't need to go to the hospital.
Just get a mirror and some tweezers.
We can handle this.
We don't need to let everybody know our business.
The other one was Rod Stewart.
There was a rumor when we were in high school.
It was pre-high school.
Rod Stewart had swallowed a bunch of jizz and had to go to the hospital and get his stomach pumped.
It was probably some guy who Rod Stewart fucked his girlfriend and he started spreading his ruin.
brian bomac
Rod Stewart, the band guy?
Yeah.
Now that probably is true.
joe rogan
I don't think so, because I think, look, when I hosted Fear Factor, we made people drink cum.
They had to drink donkey cum.
You could drink it.
You could drink a lot of it, and you're fine.
I don't think you have to go to the hospital.
terence crawford
I'd have been like, it's over with.
joe rogan
My experience on Fear Factor taught me that I don't believe that Rod Stewart ever had that real problem.
brian bomac
Hey, so did you ever do any of those...
joe rogan
I ate some shit.
They wouldn't let me try any of the stunts for insurance purposes.
The insurance doesn't let the host just try it out for fun.
I wanted to drive some of the cars off buildings and shit, but they wouldn't let me.
We had one where they hit a ramp off the top of a building.
They hit a ramp and the ramp flipped the car through the air.
And they flew and they landed on these cardboard boxes.
They stacked these cardboard boxes up like several stories high.
And that's how they would get these cars to land softly.
So the car would boom!
Hit the cardboard boxes and just slowly sink down.
And then they would use a crane, flip the car over, and then they could use that car again.
It didn't even get damaged.
terence crawford
Wow.
joe rogan
So these people would fly this fucking car up.
It looked like the craziest amusement park ride ever.
terence crawford
And you wanted to do it.
joe rogan
Oh, fuck yeah, I wanted to do it, man.
And I'm like, come on, let me do that one.
It looks easy.
I'm like, I'll do it for the promo.
Like, come on.
terence crawford
I'd be cool with jumping out the plane.
joe rogan
Yeah, we didn't do any of that.
But we did have people bungee cord jump off of a fucking helicopter.
That was crazy.
We had people with a cord that was attached to a helicopter.
And then they were hooked up to a tree.
And they had to unlock themselves from the tree.
They had a ring of keys.
They had to find the right key in a certain amount of time.
And then when they did it, they unlocked and they went flying through the air because they were attached to a bungee cord.
And the bungee cord was underneath a helicopter.
And it would go fucking launching them out into the middle of this crazy canyon.
I was like, oh my god.
Someone's going to die.
Someone's going to die.
This isn't worth it.
This job's not worth it.
There was a couple times where I thought someone was going to die.
terence crawford
Yeah, that's crazy.
joe rogan
Stupid.
Ridiculous.
I'm glad we got through it with nobody getting hurt.
brian bomac
Who all came up with the stunts?
joe rogan
There was a bunch of people.
They had a whole team.
There's teams of people that came up with the eating stunts.
There were the B-team stunt guys, and then the A-team stunt guys was the first stunt, and then there was the C, which was like the big championship finale thing.
It's a ridiculous show.
terence crawford
That's tough.
brian bomac
I used to watch that show all the time.
All the time.
joe rogan
I can't even believe it's real.
I watch it to this day.
I was like, is that really me?
What is that?
So long ago.
unidentified
I remember I used to watch Jackass.
joe rogan
Jackass is amazing those guys are alive.
Steve-O is so healthy.
He's fine.
unidentified
He's talking about making a fourth movie.
terence crawford
Oh no!
joe rogan
They're rolling that dice.
They're rolling that dice.
Someone's going to die.
terence crawford
Damn.
joe rogan
That's crazy.
brian bomac
I've only seen clips of that.
joe rogan
Johnny Knoxville was a movie star for a while.
terence crawford
Right?
joe rogan
Is he still doing big movies?
unidentified
Yeah, I think so.
joe rogan
He was doing big movies, and then he was still willing to let a bull hit him.
He put a blindfold on and stood in front of a bull, and the bull just fucking launched him through the air.
Blindfolded.
brian bomac
That's just dumb as shit.
joe rogan
That's the dumbest shit.
terence crawford
That's why I called a jackass.
unidentified
That's why I called a jackass.
joe rogan
It's like, those guys got fucked up, man.
I mean, they're taking some beatings.
terence crawford
Just so we can laugh at them.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Yeah.
Crazy.
See, what you do is control who gets fucked up.
terence crawford
Right.
joe rogan
That's what I like about boxing.
When I watch Boxing Express at the highest level, it's like one guy is controlling who gets fucked up.
You know?
terence crawford
Yeah.
Whether the other guy likes it or not.
joe rogan
Whether the other guy likes it or not.
Who was that Mexican gentleman that you fought recently that was talking a lot of shit and stopped him?
brian bomac
Benavides.
terence crawford
Benavides.
That's right.
joe rogan
That seemed like a particularly satisfying one for you.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because there was a lot of shit talking leading up to that fight.
unidentified
You talked a lot of shit.
For years.
joe rogan
There's certain times we watch guys talk shit and I go, son, son, slow down.
This is not a good idea.
terence crawford
But it just came out of nowhere.
I never said nothing to that dude.
Never did nothing to that dude.
And he just out the blue, just for years, like, I'm ducking him.
I'm like, dude, you went up in weight.
I'm at 140. Like, when I was at 135, he was talking about fighting me.
He was at 140. I got up to 140. He won a little fight, and then he moved up in weight.
And I'm like, dude, you're nobody for me to be worried about.
So then it got to the point where he was like, oh, well...
They made me an offer to fight you, and you ducked me.
So he started telling everybody I ducked them.
I've been ducking them since 140. In a press conference, I said, did y'all ever offer me or him to fight each other?
And it was like, no.
So we didn't come up with that.
I was like, well, it don't matter.
We're fighting right now.
joe rogan
It was a good fight.
It was a good fight.
It was a good fight, too, to showcase you, particularly the knockout.
That was a beautiful combination, man.
When you clipped him.
terence crawford
Right.
joe rogan
And then he gets up and then you put him away.
When you watch a fight like that where you have a guy who talks shit and then you wind up fucking him up, is it ever more satisfying?
terence crawford
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Because you seem to enjoy it.
terence crawford
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
The best fighters enjoy putting a beating on someone.
terence crawford
Of course.
unidentified
Like...
terence crawford
Going into the fight, I had to calm my emotions down.
joe rogan
Because of the anger?
terence crawford
Right, right.
Because I really wanted to hurt that dude.
So going into the fight, I got to keep reminding myself, stay calm, relax, don't go in there and do nothing stupid because this is what he wants you to do.
You've been here before.
There's nothing new.
You didn't have people...
Talk crazy to you, but not to the level that he did, but you didn't have people talk crazy to you.
So that's why when I first got in there, I was being patient, taking my time and just filling him out, you know, because he's long.
He's tall.
He's long.
He got some speed on him, but he's a naturally counter puncher.
So it was like I wasn't going to go in there and be careless and get countered because I already knew what he wanted to do.
joe rogan
So when you see a guy like that and you're fighting him, what is the strategy?
Is this a different strategy than a normal fighter because of the length and the counter-punching ability?
So you have to adjust.
So what was your plan going in there?
terence crawford
Well, see me, I got long arms to be in the division and my height.
So I was just like, alright, just pick them apart.
And then once you go into your combinations, make sure you throw more than once because you're going to counter that first one properly.
joe rogan
And when you watch the fight, you feel like that's exactly what you're preparing for?
terence crawford
Right.
joe rogan
Now, when you see Errol Spence Jr., does he represent to you one of the best of the up-and-coming guys that are possibly on your radar, at least?
terence crawford
I really can't say that.
Because, Errol, this is the first real big test that he's up against.
Mm-hmm.
joe rogan
His last fight was with...
terence crawford
Mikey Garcia.
joe rogan
That was a good fight.
I mean, that was a good test.
terence crawford
Mikey's a smaller guy.
joe rogan
It's true.
terence crawford
You know, Mikey came from, what, 126?
He's, what, 5'6"?
joe rogan
When you see the two of them at the weigh-ins, you really can see the difference.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
And the size of Errol.
I mean, Errol's ripped, you know.
terence crawford
So that's why I say you really can't tell with Mikey Garcia.
Don't get me wrong, Mikey's a hell of a fighter, you know, but that was his first fight in the division.
He's a smaller guy, he's short, his arms are shorter, Errol taller, longer, bigger, you know, so faster.
So I really couldn't see what I was trying to see.
joe rogan
So Mikey went up just because it was a big fight, right?
Is he going to stay there, do you think?
terence crawford
Yes, I believe he's going to fight Danny Garcia.
joe rogan
Oh, interesting.
There's so many different outlets for boxing now.
There's PBC, there's Fox, there's ESPN is putting on high caliber fights now too.
It's very interesting.
But HBO's out of the game.
Doesn't that feel weird?
terence crawford
It does, being that that was the go-to channel to watch boxing when I was coming up.
Only people you had on Showtime was Mike Tyson.
joe rogan
And it was the best commentary crew, too.
It was Jim Lampley, Max Kellerman, Roy Jones Jr., or sometimes George Foreman, you know, Larry Merchant, when he was doing it.
Yeah, man, Emanuel Stewart.
And Harold Letterman would come in between rounds and give you his score.
It was fucking great!
I missed that!
Don't you miss that?
I mean, Harold Letterman, rest in peace, he passed away recently.
Didn't he?
Yeah, yeah, he passed.
But I missed that, man.
Jim Lampley was fucking great, and Max Kellerman was great.
It's like, you don't have that, there's not a commentary team like that right now in boxing.
Is there?
Am I wrong?
terence crawford
No, not to the level of the expertise.
joe rogan
Why don't they have those guys go over to one of these streaming services, like DAZN or ESPN or something?
It just seems like that's the team, right?
Andre Ward.
Andre Ward's a fantastic guy.
He's coming on here too.
I'm excited to have him on.
brian bomac
Tim Bradley's coming along pretty good too.
terence crawford
Yes.
joe rogan
Very good.
brian bomac
He looks like he's taking that role of Teddy Atlas.
It's like he got all that energy.
joe rogan
Yes.
Well, Teddy's a fucking...
What a character that guy is.
You know?
Hey, Teddy.
terence crawford
He's amazing.
We're firing!
unidentified
We run to the fire!
joe rogan
I'd rather get out there and fight.
I'm just getting fucking scared.
brian bomac
It's funny how he'll say on air, these judges need to be fired.
joe rogan
Yeah, he doesn't give a fuck.
brian bomac
What fight are they looking at?
joe rogan
He doesn't give a fuck.
He gets so furious at bad decisions.
And he's right.
He's right sometimes.
terence crawford
He was wrong about that Jeff Warren fight.
joe rogan
The Jeff Warren Pacquiao fight?
Is that when he freaked out?
terence crawford
Yeah, that's when he freaked out.
When I first watched it, listening to the commentary, I was like, man, Pacquiao, whooping him.
You know what I mean?
Why they cheat him?
Because I wanted to fight Pacquiao because I was the next in line to fight the champion.
So, of course, I'm rooting for Pacquiao to win because that's a bigger fight.
But after watching the fight again, I was like, they not saying nothing about all them shots Jeff Horn was hitting Pacquiao with.
And he was just brutally bullying them, roughing them up.
They can say, oh, he was being dirty, sometimes he's a headbutt, but it's a fight.
That's going to happen.
But he was real life manhandling Pacquiao, pushing them all around.
And you see Keith Thurman couldn't even do that.
Yeah.
joe rogan
Seeing him beat Keith Thurman at 40 years old, like, God damn, this guy's great.
I mean, just look at his career with eight different weight classes, world titles in?
brian bomac
Eight.
joe rogan
Eight different weight classes.
40 years old, beats Keith Thurman.
Who's in his prime.
terence crawford
Right.
joe rogan
Crazy.
I mean, what a man.
I mean, what a world champion.
brian bomac
Well, he sure turned back the hands of time on that one.
joe rogan
It's fucking crazy.
terence crawford
And he fought in spurts.
Both of them fought in spurts.
And I thought Keefe was going to pick up on it, but Pacquiao was only fighting the end of the round.
Like, Keefe would come on strong at the beginning of the round, and they would be like, alright, Keefe winning.
Winning this round.
And then Pacquiao would just be like, Pop, pop, pop, pop, pop.
And then Keith would be like...
Like, aw, man.
brian bomac
I hadn't even seen the fight.
joe rogan
Well, when he dropped him with that right hook early in the first, you're like, oh, shit.
terence crawford
It's like a right jab.
brian bomac
Yeah.
terence crawford
No, it was like he jumped in with the left and then followed by like a straight right.
joe rogan
It's crazy.
terence crawford
Yeah.
joe rogan
It was crazy.
It's like, wow.
He went over the shoulder.
Yep.
terence crawford
That's his punch.
unidentified
Yep.
terence crawford
They were showing him hitting other fighters with it the same thing.
Well, boom, boom.
joe rogan
He has such a unique style.
Leaping in, firing shots.
brian bomac
When would you have dated if he came in with that shit on you?
terence crawford
Oh, check.
unidentified
Boom, boom.
Oh, man.
terence crawford
Nah, but I take my hat off to Pacquiao.
joe rogan
Do you think it's possible that you could get a crack at him now?
Because now he's in the hunt right now.
terence crawford
I wouldn't say so, because I was in the mentions and talked to fight Pacquiao since 2014, and we was in the same promotional company, and they couldn't make it happen.
joe rogan
Do you think it's because he's not interested in it?
terence crawford
I don't think he was interested in it because his coach mentioned numerous times he didn't want him to fight me.
And he wanted him to stay away from me.
So I don't think they was interested.
joe rogan
Yeah, well, I could see that at this stage of his career.
But, you know, Keith Thurman is a fucking murderous puncher.
terence crawford
Right.
joe rogan
Which was one of the reasons why it's more impressive that he beat him.
And so who are they talking about Pacquiao matching up with next?
terence crawford
He's chasing the Mayweather.
joe rogan
Of course!
Why not?
Floyd, come on!
I know you love money.
He was saying that he thinks Floyd's out of money already, because he says Floyd spends so much money, he's probably already out of it.
terence crawford
Well, he's spending money, too.
I think Pacquiao spends more money than Floyd on everybody else.
joe rogan
Oh, that's right, because he's got like 50 people that he just has supported.
He's an interesting guy, man, because he's so friendly.
Even when people are trash-talking, he's smiling, and then he gets in that ring.
kick your ass later different fucking dude once he steps through that rope there's a whole different set of rules he's flying with like keep Thurman talking about how you gonna crucify him and stuff like that and he's just like ooh don't say that yeah and got crucified yeah I wish you the best good luck in the fight good luck good luck in the fight he's a killer Did you know that about Pacquiao?
brian bomac
No, I didn't.
joe rogan
Like, world class.
Like, he could play pool professionally.
terence crawford
Me too.
joe rogan
Really?
terence crawford
Yeah, I'll be too.
joe rogan
You could play?
Oh, we gotta play in that.
terence crawford
Yeah, I heard you got your little personal mistakes.
joe rogan
I'm pretty good.
Yeah.
You good?
terence crawford
Yeah.
joe rogan
Okay, what do you play?
terence crawford
Whatever you want to play.
joe rogan
You play like nine ball, ten ball?
terence crawford
Whatever.
joe rogan
Okay, we'll play.
terence crawford
Cool.
Hey, so, if I leave...
Five balls on the table, you owe me.
Five of your balls on the table.
joe rogan
If you leave five balls on the table.
What are we playing, eight ball?
That's nonsense.
That's a nonsense game.
Eight ball, that's a silly game.
You're trying to get me to leave my balls on the table?
unidentified
Why would I do that?
terence crawford
No, I'm saying, if I win, and you still got five balls on your table, five of your balls.
joe rogan
If you...
terence crawford
You got seven balls if you're playing eight ball.
joe rogan
So the only way that I went...
Explain what you're saying?
terence crawford
Okay, so you got seven balls to start.
If I beat you and you still got five of your balls on the table, then you owe.
joe rogan
Owe what?
So you mean if you break and run out and I don't get a shot?
terence crawford
No, that's seven ball then.
joe rogan
If you get all the balls?
terence crawford
Yeah, that's seven ball.
joe rogan
If I have five balls left and you win?
Yeah.
What kind of weird game is that?
terence crawford
You didn't get it.
joe rogan
I'm not getting it.
terence crawford
So if I win and you still got five balls on the table...
joe rogan
Okay, then what happens?
terence crawford
You owe.
joe rogan
I owe what?
Whatever.
But if we play nine ball or ten ball, you can't win if there's five balls left from the table.
unidentified
No, no, no.
terence crawford
Nine ball and ten ball, that's different.
joe rogan
But that's what we're saying.
terence crawford
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
So you're saying like play eight ball.
terence crawford
But I don't like playing that because that's tricky.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's tricky.
You have to play.
terence crawford
That's the strategy.
joe rogan
You have to play.
terence crawford
That's a strategy.
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah.
You gotta learn how to get out.
terence crawford
Yeah.
I'll hit all of them and miss the last one.
joe rogan
We can play eight ball, though.
That's so cool.
I like eight ball.
It's okay.
But it's a simpler game.
terence crawford
And you pop me for the last shot.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Leave you hanging.
terence crawford
Yeah.
joe rogan
You fuck up.
Leave that ten ball wobbling in the hole.
terence crawford
Yeah, like you done did all this for nothing.
joe rogan
I've done that before.
It's very heartbreaking.
It's very heartbreaking.
It's the worst way to lose a game.
terence crawford
I swear.
It's like...
All that for nothing.
And the guy, thank you for cleaning it up.
joe rogan
Now let me win.
That's a game that no one wants to lose to a girl.
Like, it's hilarious watching dudes play pool against women when women are good.
They panic.
They start getting nervous.
Like, there's something about losing to a girl.
It's almost like getting your ass kicked by a girl.
terence crawford
Some of them cold.
I done seen some girls at the pool hall.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
terence crawford
Taking a lot of money.
joe rogan
Oh, for sure.
Yeah, there's like elite women players.
terence crawford
You know what I do to eliminate that?
What?
I just be like, nah, I'm going to let y'all play.
Especially when you're watching them and then they try to, hey, I got next.
I'm going to be like, yeah, y'all can play.
Because it ain't for me to be getting washed up by no female.
joe rogan
Well, any professional.
I've played a lot of professionals because it's one of the weird sports.
You can enter into a tournament, and you could be a guy who has a full-time job, and you might wind up matching up with Efren Reyes, who's the greatest player of all time.
You might meet him in the first round of a tournament.
All you have to do is pay your fee, and then you pay your entry fee.
You join in just like everybody else, and you're playing like a world champ, like the Terrence Crawford of Poole.
I'm like, whoa!
And you can just be some regular dude playing Efren Reyes.
terence crawford
But it's cool.
You can be like, man, I lost to one of the greatest.
joe rogan
Lost to one of the greatest of all time.
Yeah, I've played a bunch of great players.
I played Mike Siegel before.
I got to play a bunch of great players.
Get my ass kicked by him.
brian bomac
You a professional pool player?
joe rogan
No.
No, I'm quite a bit below.
If you had Manny Pacquiao, he could play professional.
He would beat me.
I'm like one notch below that.
terence crawford
I'm probably like a notch below that.
Two notch below that.
joe rogan
But Manny like plays in tournaments.
He gambles.
They call him, unfortunately, they call him the cow because they're always milking him.
Because he's real high-level pool players, man.
Man, he's too busy with running the country.
I mean, he's a fucking senator.
On top of that, he's one of the best boxers in the world.
And on top of that, he's got a family.
He doesn't have time to be at the pool hall 10 hours a day.
All those psychopaths that are like world champions, they play pool 8-10 hours a day.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
They play all day long.
All day long.
You go there, you'll find them.
That's where they're at.
terence crawford
You say you go there, you'll find them.
joe rogan
They're there every fucking day.
Everybody that I know that's an elite, world-class pool player, like Mika Eminen and these kind of guys, you go there, they're at the goddamn pool hall every day.
No money in that shit, though.
You think there's no money in UFC? There's no money in that shit.
terence crawford
There's a lot of money in poker.
I gotta learn how to play.
joe rogan
I know, right?
Poker, it seemed like...
My friend Anthony Giordano, he used to direct those poker shows.
He said what changed it is when you had the TV shows, you could see the person's hand.
So we were all playing.
The folks at home could see what I have and they could see what you have, but we didn't know what we have.
So they're all in on it.
So they're like, how's he gonna play that?
How's he gonna play that?
So it made it way more interesting than just watching.
terence crawford
What?
joe rogan
But when you're at home and you watch it on TV, you get to see the hand.
terence crawford
And I still don't know how to play.
joe rogan
Yeah, I don't know how to play either.
terence crawford
But I just be seeing people with their poker face all in.
Don't have nothing.
And then this dude with a good hand, he just be like...
Throw his hand and the dude just be like...
Poker face.
Right.
Take that risk.
Oh, man.
joe rogan
There's something cool about that, right?
Like a bullshitty.
It's bullshitting, you know?
There's something about that, like the hustle.
There's the thing about poker that doesn't exist in anything else.
It's a psychological hustle.
brian bomac
That's why they call it the poker face.
joe rogan
Yep.
That's a Lady Gaga song, bro.
Pop, pop, pop, poker face.
terence crawford
Or somebody that's just looking all like, looking all sad, like, I got a bad hand.
Knowing you got a good hand.
joe rogan
Yep.
It's tricky.
terence crawford
Then they, hey, you.
All in.
Okay.
joe rogan
Plus, I think those gamblers, when they're around each other all the time, that's all they do is gamble and read signs and check each other out.
They probably have a highly tuned sense of someone bullshitting.
terence crawford
Right.
joe rogan
Highly tuned.
Ooh, there's something going on behind his eyes.
terence crawford
But that's why they wear them glasses.
joe rogan
Yeah.
You know what I've always loved watching, but I'm scared to get good at?
It's chess.
It just seems like it would eat your fucking time.
brian bomac
It does.
joe rogan
Do you play?
brian bomac
Yeah, I taught him how to play.
terence crawford
He taught me and I beat him the same time.
Oh, look at you!
unidentified
He flexed up!
He flexed up!
joe rogan
You beat him at the same day he taught you?
terence crawford
Yeah, he just taught me how to move to pieces and I beat him.
joe rogan
Oh, Jesus.
terence crawford
Yeah.
joe rogan
Wow.
That's interesting.
brian bomac
So we're international, right?
So I'm going to confess right now.
I'll let this dude beat me.
joe rogan
You're internationally ranked?
brian bomac
No, I'm saying we're on an international show, right?
The whole world is watching.
I'll let this dude beat me.
joe rogan
You let him beat you?
Why'd you do that?
brian bomac
Because he gets confidence up.
But this is how I do it.
There's some fights...
Well, I want him to play test so he can use his mind, right?
So, okay, all right, all right.
The whole camp, he's using his mind.
He's using his mind.
So, I'm like, okay, all right.
So, he come out there and he have a great performance.
So, I'm like, okay, all right.
That's another strategy to try to get him to do better, right?
But there's some mornings, I'm going to tell you about this last morning we had...
terence crawford
You don't let me beat him.
I just beat him.
Anytime I really want to win, I win.
brian bomac
Come downstairs, right?
So he comes downstairs in his boxers and shit.
With this old Terrence Crawford look.
Looking at everybody like, hey, good morning.
Good morning.
Let's play.
Alright.
I'm kicking his ass, right?
He getting mad.
He getting mad.
You can see it in his face, right?
So, he started making these different moves.
No, man.
You can't do that.
No, man.
Yes, I can.
Yes, I can.
No, you can't do that, bud.
You know you can't do that.
After a while, you just got to kind of fear for your life a little bit.
No, man.
I like being confident with this dude in chess, man.
It's funny.
It's funny when he's losing, dude.
terence crawford
He beat me.
He beat me that day.
He didn't want to play me again.
unidentified
I was so hot.
joe rogan
I can see it in your face right now.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
You're counting it.
You can see you reliving it.
terence crawford
Because he just caught me off guard.
It's just like, you know what I mean?
Like, I'm coming downstairs to eat some breakfast, and he's talking about, let's play.
He got it ready and everything.
unidentified
So we're going, I'm making stupid.
terence crawford
I'm like, damn, man, I didn't see that.
unidentified
Like, fuck.
terence crawford
So he went, he wouldn't play me.
But the next times he played me, I whitewashed him.
Killed them so bad to where he don't even want to play me no more.
brian bomac
It's funny as shit.
joe rogan
That's one thing that champions have.
All champions.
They hate losing any game.
Jordan, they said if you beat him playing pool, he'll fucking hate you.
He didn't want to talk to you.
Until he could beat you again.
Until he got you again.
terence crawford
See, my thing is, we have a lot of people that want to play the game.
Right?
So I don't play the game like I used to.
I used to play and I used to beat them all.
But once my nephew got good, I stopped playing.
I'm like, man...
You're a game head.
I ain't got time to just sit on a game.
joe rogan
Like video games, like Xbox?
terence crawford
Yeah, like 2K. You can't fuck with those kids.
joe rogan
Those kids that don't have responsibilities, they don't have children, they have nothing but time, they get too good at those goddamn things.
And you would lose your life trying to chase them.
terence crawford
So now it gets to the point where I just watched them play.
unidentified
So we had this dude named Chance in our house.
brian bomac
Oh, man.
terence crawford
So Chance, we got Shakur, and we got Chucky.
They all like to play, and we got Kenny.
So Kenny was playing Chucky.
Chucky and Chance was always going at it with each other.
Kenny was beating Chucky and he was just rubbing it in his face.
You could see how mad he was.
This dude, Chucky, he's the one that always be joking around and stuff.
It's all fun and games.
You could just say, why is you even talking if you not playing?
brian bomac
It get so bad in the house, man.
You got to put the game up.
joe rogan
Do you guys have moments where you don't want them to play games and things like that, like during camp?
You just want them dressed?
brian bomac
No, no.
That's relaxation.
joe rogan
Is it relaxing?
brian bomac
Yeah.
joe rogan
But video games are a little...
They get you tense.
terence crawford
That's why he took the game.
You gotta take the game, man.
It gets so intense.
People want to fight each other.
People get in arguments.
brian bomac
One dude will get mad, the other dude will be like, ah, you mad!
unidentified
Ah, you mad!
brian bomac
You're like, man, shut up, man!
That's why we sparring when we get to the gym, huh?
How about that?
It'd be funny as shit, man.
terence crawford
It can cause problems, too.
joe rogan
Oh, sure.
Well, a bunch of competitive dudes all training together, and then you play something competitive that makes you angry if you lose?
terence crawford
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Recipe for disaster.
brian bomac
Right.
Hey, they don't care.
terence crawford
No.
brian bomac
They don't care in the house, man.
They just like, whatever.
I still want to play.
terence crawford
It's like a big daycare.
brian bomac
That's basically what it is.
It did me.
I'm the oldest.
Got to start cussing at them.
You can't eat.
Don't you come out your room.
Get up here and do these dishes.
terence crawford
Oh, man.
joe rogan
It seems like you guys are having a good time.
brian bomac
Oh, man.
unidentified
It's fun.
That's beautiful.
terence crawford
Oh, yeah.
It's fun.
Camp is fun.
Camp is fun.
It's hard work and it's hard but at the same time you know Work is work.
And then we try to come home and clear our head and not just be so mentally drained over thinking about the fight.
joe rogan
Right, right.
terence crawford
So we want it to be fun at the end of the day.
joe rogan
Do you have a mental coach or is there anybody you've ever worked with that's like where you've tried to do visualization work or formulate a game plan or is it just go out there and get it done?
terence crawford
Just get it done.
joe rogan
No need.
terence crawford
No need.
Like, my mental is so strong, like, from what I've overcome and been through in my whole entire life, it's like, nothing's gonna break me.
That's my mental.
Like, if that couldn't break me, You're not going to break me.
joe rogan
You mean in terms of your childhood and growing up?
terence crawford
Yeah.
Everything that I went through.
joe rogan
Irreplaceable.
People that have gone through, like Mike Tyson, like many great fighters, have gone through hardship when they're younger.
That ability to endure.
terence crawford
I wouldn't say when I was younger.
It's still going through.
joe rogan
Still going through.
terence crawford
I still go through a lot.
A lot.
joe rogan
How so?
terence crawford
Like, seemed like before all my big fights, somebody died in my family.
You know, like, my grandpa just died the day before yesterday.
joe rogan
Sorry to hear that.
terence crawford
But I'm here.
You know what I mean?
I'm about to go into training camp and prepare for my next fight.
So it's just like, things are always happening.
But at the same time, I got a job to do.
And I'm going to still be focused and nothing's going to distract me.
joe rogan
Now, will you go into training camp with a date in mind?
Yeah.
But nothing's been signed yet, right?
terence crawford
Nothing's been signed yet.
joe rogan
So, do you just sort of go in and get the wheels moving and then just get ready to ramp up?
Like, how do you determine when you ramp up your training camp?
Like I say, if you're getting back into training camp now, but you don't know when the fight's going to be scheduled, so how do you approach it in the beginning?
terence crawford
No, I don't necessarily say I'm getting in training camp right now because I'm not, like, my training camp is six to seven weeks.
joe rogan
So you're getting ready to get into training camp?
terence crawford
No, I wouldn't even say that.
I'm just saying in general.
joe rogan
Okay.
terence crawford
But you're not getting ready right now.
I stay working out.
Of course.
joe rogan
Now, when you're not in the gym, but you're not training for a fight, are you still doing all the strength and conditioning stuff and everything as well?
terence crawford
Yeah, here and there.
Not to the same intensity, but just to keep moving.
joe rogan
Right, and so you do that just to make sure that you preserve your body and don't get injured and things along those lines?
So when you think of it in terms of camp, that is the roughest experience you're going through, right?
You're going through how many?
Nine weeks?
Is that what you say you prefer?
terence crawford
Seven.
Seven weeks.
joe rogan
Seven weeks?
terence crawford
Fair.
joe rogan
So those seven weeks is when you're pushing it to the limit, and then everything else is more like a maintaining thing?
terence crawford
We like stair steppers.
We got a pre-camp, and then once we're in camp, it's like this.
Boom.
joe rogan
And you know where those steps are?
terence crawford
Right.
So when we get to the end of camp, we're already at the highest step.
So that way, when we go to the fight, we're already at the...
joe rogan
And so this is planned out in the amount of rounds you do, the amount of running you do?
brian bomac
Every week is something added on every week.
If it's four rounds, six rounds, eight rounds, ten, twelve...
Minutes, we do minutes.
joe rogan
What's amazing about this conversation is if you were a young, up-and-coming boxer in 1982 or something like that and you want to know how Marvin Hagrid did it, there's no podcast.
There's no Marvin Hagrid breaking down how he does his training camp and talking all about it.
But today, kids can watch you.
And they can see what you're doing.
And I guarantee just listening to you talk about realizing how hard Floyd worked and you working out, you wanted to work out even harder and all the crazy shit you're doing, like people right now lacing up their shoes right now, getting fired up, running out the door, thinking I got to work like Terrence.
I have to, you know?
That is one of the coolest things that has to be about being a world champion is that you are the guy now.
You know, when you were a kid, I'm sure you had like those Ring Magazine posters and shit.
Like you're that guy now.
terence crawford
Right.
joe rogan
That's got to be crazy.
Some kid right now who's like six years old, who's just getting into Golden Gloves, and he's looking up at his bedroom wall.
terence crawford
Silver gloves.
joe rogan
Silver gloves.
What is Golden Gloves?
terence crawford
Golden Gloves.
joe rogan
18?
terence crawford
Yeah, when you're a senior.
Silver gloves and when you're a junior.
joe rogan
Silver gloves.
Doesn't sound as good.
terence crawford
Yeah.
joe rogan
Boxing.
Amateur boxing.
Kids getting into amateur boxing, they have heroes.
You're one of them, man.
I mean, that's gotta be a cool feeling.
terence crawford
Oh, yeah, man.
I love it.
I love it.
When I go to them little smokers or them little national tournaments and see all the little kids run up to me, Terrence Crawford!
Terrence Crawford!
I'd be like, what up?
I'd go grab him.
joe rogan
Wow, that's awesome.
terence crawford
Grab him by the head, mess around with him.
Even after wrestling tournaments, people would be like, yo, you Terrence Crawford?
I'd be like, yeah, what's up?
What's your name?
And they'd be like, dude, man, you real cool.
I'd be like, yeah, man, what's up?
joe rogan
That's amazing.
terence crawford
So they all gravitate to me.
joe rogan
Was there someone that you met when you first met him when you were like, I can't even believe that I'm sitting there with Evander Holyfield or someone like that?
Someone real famous where you couldn't believe you were actually being around them?
terence crawford
I would have to say Roy Jones.
joe rogan
Roy Jones.
terence crawford
Because I never was like a big fanboy.
I would always be like, oh man, they're just humans like me.
But when I seen Roy for the first time, I was like, oh, that's Roy Jones Jr. I met Floyd Mayweather.
But this Roy Jones Jr., like, it was just crazy.
And he was real cool.
And, you know, I was just like, damn.
I didn't want to be, like, all, like, shy.
I was like, damn.
Like, I met Sugar Ray Leonard when I was an amateur, and it didn't feel the same.
It was just like, man, that's Sugar Ray Leonard.
joe rogan
Because it was a different era, because you didn't watch him fight.
Watching Roy Jones, man, when I was a kid, when he was in his prime, he would lead with a left hook.
It was like more than a jab.
He would just whip that left hook at dudes, and they didn't know what the fuck to do with that.
That speed was preposterous.
terence crawford
So fast.
unidentified
Woo!
joe rogan
Roy was doing stuff to people that made you just go, wow.
He's not even doing the same thing they're doing.
He's on another dimension.
He's at a different record speed.
He was so fast.
Max Kellerman had this incredible rant once about just realizing how good Roy Jones was in his prime.
It wasn't like he wasn't around great fighters, but they couldn't do shit to him.
terence crawford
Yeah.
joe rogan
He was around world champions, but he was lighting them on fire.
It was crazy!
And, you know, all good things come to an end.
It only lasted for, you know, X amount of years.
I mean, what was the best years of his championship reign?
But he was untouchable.
Untouchable.
Untouchable.
When he knocked out Virgil Hill with that body shot.
You know, you're like, God damn!
brian bomac
One punch.
joe rogan
When he put his hands behind his back and still knocked down James Tony.
I mean, when he dropped his hands like this and James Tony does it too and he leaps in and drops them.
terence crawford
Yeah, with the left hook.
joe rogan
That one dude he knocked out with his hands behind his back.
Who was that dude?
terence crawford
When he was on the ropes?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Put his hands behind his back.
The dude moves forward and drops him and knocks him out.
It's like, this is a movie scene.
This isn't real life.
No one does that in real life.
Roy Jones was having fun with people.
terence crawford
Yeah, he was.
joe rogan
He was having fun with people.
terence crawford
He was entertaining.
joe rogan
He was incredible how fast he was.
terence crawford
But like, I didn't...
Man, I didn't met people like Roy.
He's a fan of me.
joe rogan
It's amazing.
terence crawford
And it's like...
Dude!
Like...
I'd be like, so Starstruck is like, man, I'm a fan of you.
joe rogan
And he's a fan of you.
terence crawford
You're a fan of me.
unidentified
Wow.
terence crawford
Like, today, I was on Instagram, and I was like, I went past LL Cool J because we was listening to some old school music.
And I was like, dang, LL got an Instagram.
So I clicked on him, and he's following me.
I said, bro, look, LL Cool J following me on Instagram.
It's just crazy just to think of all the people that you grew up admiring and you a fan of.
For you to see them fan of you, it's like, damn.
Like Iverson.
I met Iverson.
unidentified
Wow.
terence crawford
And he came up to me and he was more happy to see me than I was to him.
unidentified
Terrence Crawford, oh man, you the motherfucker, man.
Wow.
terence crawford
And I was just sitting there looking at him like...
This Allen Iverson, though.
Like, damn.
So it's crazy, like, seeing all those, you know, celebrities and all-time greats that's big fans of mine, and it's like, fuck.
joe rogan
Does it wear off, or do you still freak out?
terence crawford
I still freak out sometimes.
I still freak out sometimes, like, it just depends on the person, like, fuck, like, damn.
joe rogan
Right.
Like Snoop, or someone like that.
terence crawford
Snoop, too.
joe rogan
I know.
terence crawford
I met Snoop, and I'll be like, damn, like, fuck.
Like, that's when you know that you made it to a certain level in your professional sports that everybody watching you.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Well, you know, that's one more thing that's beautiful about you meeting those little kids is that they can realize, like, oh, Terrence Crawford's a man.
terence crawford
Right.
joe rogan
He's a man.
I mean, he's a superstar, and he's a champion, and I see him on TV, but he's a man.
He's right here.
He got me in a headlock.
terence crawford
Right.
joe rogan
Oh, shit, we're playing together.
He's a nice guy.
Oh, he's a person.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because you see someone that's achieved a certain level of status and championship reign and you see them on TV knocking people out.
That doesn't even seem like a real person when you're a kid.
That can't be a real person.
And then you're there.
And then you're shaking his hand.
He's like, what the fuck?
This is crazy.
So you change that kid's world.
His idea of what the future is.
Idea of what a person is.
Terrence Crawford's a person.
I'm a person too.
I just gotta work hard.
terence crawford
And it's crazy because a lot of people...
They'll see me and they'll be like, where are your bodyguards at?
Where your entourage?
Like, they be having questions to ask.
And I'll just be like, no, man, I'm a regular person.
They be like, man, why you don't be on TV like Floyd Mayweather?
Like, man, ain't for me, man.
I'm chill.
They be like, oh, well, where are your cars?
Like, they be just asking me all kinds of crazy stuff.
And I just be like, no, man, that's cool.
joe rogan
Do you still live where you grew up?
terence crawford
Right.
joe rogan
Wow.
That's crazy.
And everybody's cool?
terence crawford
Everybody.
joe rogan
Nobody gets jealous of the fact that your 10's crossing now?
terence crawford
You're always going to have that.
joe rogan
Right.
terence crawford
No matter where you go.
You're always going to have the jealousy and the people that envy you.
joe rogan
People want loans.
terence crawford
That too.
That too.
You just gotta move different.
joe rogan
Yeah.
terence crawford
You just gotta move different.
joe rogan
What kind of cars do you ride?
terence crawford
I drive old schools.
joe rogan
Old schools.
Like what kind?
terence crawford
I got some Monte Carlo.
joe rogan
Oh, that's right.
I saw you and looked like a Grand National.
Do you have a Grand National?
terence crawford
No, it's a Monte Carlo.
joe rogan
That's a Monte Carlo.
Oh, is it a souped-up Monte Carlo?
terence crawford
No, it's all original.
I just put the rims on it.
The souped-up one is the silver one, the 87. Oh, is that another Monte Carlo?
Yeah.
joe rogan
Oh, you're a Monte Carlo guy.
terence crawford
Yeah.
joe rogan
I love Monte Carlos back in the day.
Like the 70s, like 70 Monte Carlos.
Ooh, those are so pretty.
terence crawford
Ain't nothing like the 80s.
joe rogan
You like the 80s?
87. That's probably because you're younger than me.
terence crawford
Super sport.
joe rogan
Me, I'm like, I get from muscle cars, I get as high as 71 with a Barracuda and then I drop off.
terence crawford
Yeah.
joe rogan
Everything else, I need 65 to 70. 71 is only Barracuda and Challenger, that's it.
terence crawford
Everything else fell apart by 71. What about the Oldsmobile?
joe rogan
They made some cool shit.
They made some cool shit, but it's just not as good as like the 60s.
The 60s and the 1970 cars, like 70 Chevelles.
terence crawford
Yeah, I was just about to say the Chevelle.
joe rogan
Come on, 70 Chevelle.
The problem with the drop top is they're wiggly.
You know, there's a lot of body flex to it where you don't get the rigidity that you feel in like the solid hard top muscle car.
terence crawford
Right.
joe rogan
You know, but I love those old cars, man.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
They have something to them.
terence crawford
Right.
And they cost a shit ton of money.
Especially if you get one that's all original and it's everything, the paint still.
Like, man, you bought this car to put it in the garage for 30 years.
joe rogan
Dude, I saw a Barracuda that was for sale for over a million dollars.
unidentified
Damn.
joe rogan
A million dollars for a car that was like $30,000.
Not even, right?
Didn't we talk about this?
Wasn't it like $5,000 when it was brand new?
Something crazy like that?
Now it's a million dollars.
brian bomac
I got it, Jay Leno.
joe rogan
I don't know, one of those knuckleheads that likes everything perfect and original.
There's certain dudes like, with original numbers matching.
Look, the V-E-I-N number matches the tires.
unidentified
These are the original tires from 1960. Got all the paperwork.
joe rogan
You better go slow around a corner with those shitty tires.
Everything original means everything's shitty.
You know, shitty drum brakes and shitty suspension and...
terence crawford
I like the shapes.
I used to always get up and watch them car auctions.
joe rogan
Oh yeah, the Meachums, that kind of shit?
Yeah, I love those.
terence crawford
Just to look at the cars.
joe rogan
If you have a ton of money and you're there, that shit could be real bad.
Like if you're one of those dudes that's like a collector and you see all those cars moving by, you're like, I want that one too!
A 55!
Oh, a 55 Chevy!
Oh my goodness.
Yeah, there's some...
I mean, I'm just a big fan of those shapes.
Those shapes, the 1960 shapes.
There's something about the car.
They just nailed it.
They just knew how to make a car look beautiful back then.
terence crawford
And it was built sturdy.
joe rogan
Yeah.
terence crawford
Like nowadays, you bump a car, you...
Big old dent, your bumper falling off.
Back then, you can run a car over and...
brian bomac
Steal, all steel.
terence crawford
Get a little bitty dent and go on about your way.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's a different...
But also, now cars handle good.
They have airbags.
terence crawford
Yeah.
joe rogan
There's some good shit about today's cars, too.
terence crawford
Right.
joe rogan
Try it yourself.
Yeah.
Yeah.
You ever driven one of those?
You ever been in a Tesla?
brian bomac
No, we just talked about that.
joe rogan
They're freakouts, man.
They'll freak you out.
You're driving that thing like, oh my God.
Have you?
terence crawford
They fast as shit.
joe rogan
It's ridiculous, right?
Did you ever drive one?
terence crawford
Yeah.
unidentified
Dude.
terence crawford
The crazy thing about the Teslas is it's like a race car.
It's like...
And you'd be waiting for it to be like...
But it don't never change gears.
unidentified
It's just straight...
joe rogan
And all of a sudden it's 150 miles an hour like that.
It's so fast it doesn't even make sense.
terence crawford
It's like a race car.
joe rogan
It's like a time machine.
It's like it compresses time.
Like there's a certain amount of time in a normal car you feel like you have to go.
There's a certain amount of time that has to take place before I can get in front of that guy and then get over here and then get to the on-ramp.
With a Tesla you just go, shoom!
You're there.
It's like time compresses.
Zero to 60 in 2.4 seconds.
Damn!
You never even felt anything like it.
It's a goddamn rollercoaster ride.
It's like you're pinned to your seat and it's just going.
You're like, fuck!
And they're making a faster one.
They've got one that's gonna be 1.9.
The Roadster, that really slick-looking little tiny one.
They're ridiculous.
That's the future.
terence crawford
Yeah, I got a Demon.
joe rogan
A Dodge Demon?
Oh, those are nice.
terence crawford
Yeah, it's fun.
joe rogan
That's a fun fucking...
What was that, like 800 horsepower?
terence crawford
I think 909. 800. Something crazy.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's crazy.
Anything over seven, it's like, what are you doing?
terence crawford
They made me sign my rights away.
joe rogan
Really?
terence crawford
You gotta sign all these papers talking about if you die or seriously get injured and...
Can't nobody else come back and sue them.
All kinds of crazy shit.
unidentified
Wow.
terence crawford
Because the car is so fast.
They letting you know you can get real life fucked up.
joe rogan
Do they make those in a stick shift or is it just an automatic?
terence crawford
I don't know.
I got an automatic.
joe rogan
It's a crazy amount of power.
terence crawford
But I think nowadays you got the handle.
Paddle shifters?
Yeah, paddle shifters.
joe rogan
That's cute.
terence crawford
Where you can put manual.
joe rogan
But the thing, shifting with your left foot in the clutch and shifting gears to your right, that's like part of the whole muscle car thing.
unidentified
Yeah.
Right?
Yeah.
joe rogan
Part of the old school thing.
You don't want an old school automatic.
It seems silly.
unidentified
You know?
terence crawford
What you just think?
A new school?
joe rogan
Yeah.
That's true.
terence crawford
It's way faster.
joe rogan
Oh, it's way faster.
Cars today are way faster, period.
And they're all going to be electric within 10 years.
They're just so much better.
They're so much faster.
terence crawford
Right.
joe rogan
As long as they can figure out how to make it charge quick, that's the thing the gas has.
You just pull them to the gas station, 10 minutes later you go to full tank.
terence crawford
Right.
brian bomac
So your car charges up on the battery?
Yeah.
How long does it take?
joe rogan
It'll take a good solid six or seven hours if it's dead.
If it's almost dead, it'll take like six or seven hours.
I have a supercharger, too.
Normally, it might take 12, like with a regular outlet.
unidentified
Fuck.
joe rogan
It takes a long time.
terence crawford
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, so if you pull into one of those superchargers, I think they can get you up to like 80% in like an hour.
It charges the first 80% pretty quick.
So you could do that.
brian bomac
So it's like pay for gas?
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah, you pay for it.
Yeah.
Use a credit card and you can pay for it.
brian bomac
I've seen them there, but...
joe rogan
The airport's free.
You can plug in at the airport and it's free.
It's a weird experience, man, because I love the sound of engines.
But that car makes them all look stupid.
They all seem dumb.
It does, right?
terence crawford
Yeah, you don't hear that.
But it's something...
Yeah, I gotta have that muscle.
joe rogan
It's fun.
Yeah, and once you get into that...
brian bomac
You can't burn out in it.
joe rogan
Nah, there's no burning out.
It just goes.
It makes a noise like this.
It doesn't make any noise.
It doesn't like...
There's none of that.
It just takes off.
Yeah, it doesn't even seem real.
terence crawford
I like them.
The inside is crazy with the big screen, touch screen.
joe rogan
Yeah, no, they're pretty dope.
terence crawford
You just look like you're in the futuristic vehicle.
joe rogan
It feels like you're in the futuristic vehicle.
What do you spend your money on?
Do you have a thing that you indulge in?
terence crawford
No, that's...
I don't really have no spinning habits, just...
unidentified
That's amazing.
joe rogan
Fishing?
Yeah, we were talking before the show about bow fishing.
You like bow fishing?
terence crawford
I love it.
I love it.
I took on bow fishing one time and I've been hooked.
I've been spending money on it.
We actually walked in this pond.
I bought waders.
I got waders and everything.
I'm out there in the water, in the little mud and stuff, hitting the little guards and anything I can find.
joe rogan
Do you eat guards?
You smoke those, right?
terence crawford
No, no, no.
joe rogan
You can't eat them?
brian bomac
No, no, no.
terence crawford
We're mainly trying to get the grass carp because they...
joe rogan
They're invasive, right?
Yeah.
They try to kill as many of those as they can, right?
terence crawford
Yeah, so it's crazy though, because the Asian carp, we on my boat, we in the river, and this was the other night.
We going through this little spot in the river, and they started jumping in the boat.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's not weird.
Have you ever seen that?
brian bomac
Yeah, I've seen it on one of these TV shows.
joe rogan
Fucking crazy.
terence crawford
They knock people out.
They like this big, no lie.
brian bomac
Did they say jumping carp?
terence crawford
No, Asian carp.
joe rogan
They're like six, seven pounds.
And they fly through the air and hit you in the face.
terence crawford
Asian carp is different than grass carp.
We was shooting grass carp in the pond, but in the river, the Asian carp that I was jumping in my boat was every bit of 30 pounds.
joe rogan
And they're hitting people in the head.
K.O.ing them.
Flatlining them.
brian bomac
So didn't they bring those carbs over to eat up something?
joe rogan
Look at these things.
These people fly.
Boom!
That shit got hit in the back of the head.
terence crawford
Hey, that's how they jump, bro.
joe rogan
Look at these guys who are trying to shoot them while they're flying.
That is so ridiculous.
terence crawford
What a redneck sport.
joe rogan
What a redneck sport.
What kind of fucking fish just throws itself at a boat?
It's so crazy.
brian bomac
Isn't it the sound of the engine that can get them started?
joe rogan
Something like that.
It's crazy.
This will give you a target panic, man.
You're not going to get good at shooting a bow and arrow if you're getting hit in the head while you're pulling back your bow.
Look at these guys who are just trying to shoot.
No one's even pulling the trigger.
terence crawford
Oh man, now that's funny.
Look at that.
Pop!
joe rogan
Yeah, look.
He just keeps getting hit.
unidentified
Donk!
joe rogan
What a weird fish.
That dude just got clipped.
terence crawford
Why was he laughing though he got smacked?
joe rogan
And he ducked the second one.
unidentified
Look at him.
Oh!
joe rogan
Oh, that guy got nailed.
Yeah, I'd have a bat.
terence crawford
I'd be fishing with a baseball bat.
That's how they be, bro.
I'm telling you.
joe rogan
Or a samurai sword.
terence crawford
Hey, them boys get big, too.
What part?
unidentified
Where was you at?
terence crawford
In the river.
joe rogan
So they're trying to kill as many of those as they can.
They're trying to kill as many of those as they can.
Those things have overpopulated lakes.
Just taken over.
I don't know why they brought them in, though, originally.
terence crawford
More so of the lakes is grass carp, not Asian carp, you know, and some rivers.
joe rogan
That's those big red looking ones, right?
Those get huge!
terence crawford
You know what's crazy?
Buffalo.
joe rogan
In America, we think of them as shit.
There's like trash fish.
But in England, they're prized.
Like in England, they have carp fishing contests.
And they have certain carps that they catch, and they weigh in, and then they release them, and they catch them again a year later.
They know the carp, and they were in world records.
Oh, he caught Mr. Fishy again.
Mr. Fishy is now 85 fucking pounds.
They keep catching them year after year until these things die.
And when they die, they make a big deal.
We lost this carp.
They take carp fishing super serious, which is so strange, because over here in America, we think of them as trash.
terence crawford
They eat everything.
joe rogan
Yeah.
terence crawford
When we see the Asians fishing, and whatever they catch, they keep.
joe rogan
Yeah.
terence crawford
So it's like the gar, the Asian carp, they eat them up.
joe rogan
Apparently, gar tastes good if you smoke it.
That's what I've heard.
I've heard you can smoke gar.
Not fucking with it?
unidentified
Nah.
joe rogan
It's a dinosaur.
It's a weird thing to eat.
It's like eating a snack.
terence crawford
I didn't shop one just to look at the meat.
It's all hard.
All them bones.
How are you going to clean that thing?
joe rogan
Yeah, I saw a guy do it on TV. A guy cooked it on TV. I forget.
It was one of those wild game cooking shows where he smoked agar.
terence crawford
I can see an alligator guard, like when you go down to Texas or something.
joe rogan
Oh, is it a different kind of guard?
terence crawford
Yeah, like an alligator guard, them mugs get big.
joe rogan
Maybe that's what it is.
terence crawford
You know, but the guard that we got, little skinny, little pencil, little things.
joe rogan
Oh, so they're tiny.
terence crawford
Yeah, they like that big.
They long, but they...
joe rogan
Yeah, those Texas ones are freakish, man.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
They don't even look real.
terence crawford
Yeah.
joe rogan
But listen, man, I'm not going to take up any more of your time.
I just want to tell you I'm a big fan.
It was an honor having you in here.
I really appreciate watching you fight.
You're one of my favorites.
I think when I talk to people about combat sports, one of the things that I always talk about is the difference between the skill level of an elite boxer, when you see that's all they do, versus in MMA. You see openings in MMA that you would never see in boxing.
So I'm happy you're out there, man.
I appreciate it.
And let us know when your fight is.
We'll let everybody know and just alert the world.
I'm excited.
unidentified
Of course.
joe rogan
Thank you, sir.
Thank you.
brian bomac
Thank you, man.
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