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Jan. 5, 2011 - The Joe Rogan Experience
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JRE MMA Show #69 with Yves Edwards
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joe rogan
Eve Edwards, ladies and gentlemen.
Hello, sir.
Good to see you, brother.
What's going on?
yves edwards
Everything and nothing, man.
joe rogan
Everything and nothing.
You were telling me this is a crazy time for you.
You're a vagabond.
You're traveling around, man.
You're a gypsy.
yves edwards
I like the term nomad.
joe rogan
Nomad's good.
yves edwards
Vagabond makes it sound like I'm poor and I got a stick with my clothes tied in a bag.
joe rogan
Yeah, nomad's like a gypsy with money.
yves edwards
Yeah.
joe rogan
No, but gypsies, is that a derogatory term?
It didn't used to be.
I think it might be now.
They can say it.
Like King of the Gypsies is Tyson Fury.
He's allowed to say it.
yves edwards
He's allowed to say it.
joe rogan
Might be one of them things.
yves edwards
Yeah, we got a word like that.
joe rogan
A lot of people do.
Those words are expanding.
unidentified
There's more of those words than before.
yves edwards
See, I'm going to get in trouble right now.
Can midgets call themselves midgets?
joe rogan
I don't know, man.
I don't know.
That's a good one.
That used to be a normal one.
You know what's really crazy?
If you look at when kids were born with Down syndrome, the original term was mongoloid idiot.
That used to be like they would put that on birth certificates.
yves edwards
Like, when you say the original term, are any of those people still alive?
Like, is that still on somebody who's alive's birth certificate?
joe rogan
That's a good question.
Do people with Down syndrome live less?
They don't live as long, right?
yves edwards
I think that's the case.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Yeah, you don't see a lot of older people with Down syndrome.
I don't know.
We're tightening up the word.
I just can't wait till we can read minds.
So, there's all this nonsense to just go out the window.
I think once we can read minds, and then you just see intent, and there's no words.
Because right now it's just words that convey intent, and some of those words are forbidden.
But some of those words have...
Like, bitch.
Perfect example.
Like, you could say, that's a bad bitch.
Like, this bitch is crazy.
Or, this bitch is fine.
You know, you could say, this bitch is hot.
This bitch is cool.
That bitch is so cool.
Or you could say, oh my god, this girl's a bitch.
You know?
yves edwards
Yeah, the connotation's completely different.
joe rogan
There's so many of them.
There's so many different ones.
yves edwards
Words, man.
Words is a hard thing.
I remember one time Mickey Joe, Mickey Joe Shilling, Mickey Gall, Joe Shilling and I were talking about...
About words and perceptions and like your shirt.
Your shirt is green, right?
But if I were to be in your consciousness, well, I see your shirt and would I see it as red, but I know it as green?
joe rogan
You know what I mean?
yves edwards
Do we see the same colors as the same thing?
joe rogan
No, we don't.
You have no way of knowing, right?
yves edwards
Right.
joe rogan
I have no way of knowing.
Like some people are into weird shit, like yellow cars.
Right.
unidentified
Right?
yves edwards
That's not weird, though.
joe rogan
That's weird.
For all the colors to paint a car.
Like, why the fuck do you want a yellow car?
Like a nice car.
Like, you see, like, a yellow Corvette.
Like, what the fuck are you doing to that Corvette?
yves edwards
I swear you were going to say something different.
I swear I was like...
People are into weird shit.
I thought you were going to say, like, scat or something.
joe rogan
Oh, well, they're definitely into that.
yves edwards
Yellow cars.
That's not so bad.
joe rogan
Yeah, but, I mean, I don't know what they're seeing.
Like, to me, a yellow car is like, ah, that's unfortunate.
You know, like, why would you do that color?
Like, maybe it was on sale because of the shitty color.
I think that...
yves edwards
So a yellow car should cost less.
joe rogan
Yeah, for sure.
Unless you're just trying to make a point.
Your car is like a bumblebee or something.
You have black stripes and yellow.
yves edwards
See, that would be cool.
On a Bug, on a Mustang.
I don't know what else.
I think those are the only two cars that really should be yellow.
joe rogan
A Mustang?
yves edwards
Like if you're going to paint it with some flames on it.
I don't even like Mustangs.
joe rogan
You don't like Mustangs?
yves edwards
I'm not a big muscle car guy.
I do like sports cars.
I'm not crazy about muscle cars.
joe rogan
Somebody needs to indoctrinate you into the world of muscle cars.
I bet you just haven't seen the right ones.
yves edwards
You know, I think that comes from where I grew up.
Because...
You need a lot of open road for that.
We don't have that in the Baham.
Especially not where I'm from.
I'm not a big fan of choppers.
joe rogan
Those seem silly to me.
They seem like you can't turn.
yves edwards
Yeah.
I like crotch rockets and dirt bikes.
joe rogan
This shit drives me crazy.
The A-pandles.
For people just listening, they have handlebars that are above your fucking head.
yves edwards
Yeah, you're hanging.
joe rogan
You're driving around like this.
unidentified
If you have to turn quick, you're fucked.
joe rogan
How can you get away from shit?
And once it goes bad, you're not going to recover.
yves edwards
Yeah, I would think they would have a secondary handlebar just so that you don't have to ride like that.
joe rogan
So you get tired, have some shit right over the gas tank.
yves edwards
That folds out.
We can do that.
We can patent that and make that and probably make millions of dollars.
joe rogan
I feel like crotch rockets seem safer because they're more maneuverable.
yves edwards
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, you can handle those motherfuckers.
Like, those things move good.
yves edwards
Yeah, especially...
I mean, that's what they're designed for, right?
If you control it at high speed.
I saw this video of a motocross...
I don't know what you call it when crotch rockets are racing.
But these guys were racing, and this dude was like...
He was losing it.
And he got thrown off.
joe rogan
I saw that.
yves edwards
But he was on his knees.
joe rogan
He got sideways.
unidentified
Yes.
joe rogan
He hung on there.
unidentified
Man.
joe rogan
And he looks like he was still giving it the gas.
yves edwards
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
yves edwards
I don't know what the rules are on, like, cutting the track...
joe rogan
Right.
yves edwards
But, like, if he wasn't disqualified, that was a ninja move.
joe rogan
How do you get back on, though?
You have to slow down.
yves edwards
You have to, right?
You got to do a ninja move.
You got to hit the brake real hard, so you slam, and then your body shoots in the air, land back on the bike.
joe rogan
Yeah, like, hit the brake and pop your hips up at the same time.
yves edwards
Like something you see on the fast and furious.
joe rogan
I'm scared of bikes.
yves edwards
I don't know how to ride.
I mean, I can ride a bicycle, but I can't ride a motorcycle.
I've never ridden a crotch rocket.
I've only ridden scooters.
joe rogan
You know, they're making them electric now.
There's no gears.
It's just like a Tesla.
yves edwards
But, I don't know.
The whole thing about riding a bike is being able to control it, isn't it?
joe rogan
Well, you can still control the speed, but you're not going to be able to shift gears.
You don't have to do the shit with your left foot where you're going with the clutch and up and down and all that jazz.
You have to learn how to do that.
You don't have to do that with one of those things.
unidentified
It's just...
joe rogan
Yeah, that'd be fucking ridiculously fast, too.
yves edwards
I feel like I would be like the guy on, you know, like when you go to Dave and Buster or something on the motorcycle video game.
joe rogan
In Europe, they're making cars, like electric cars, have noise.
You have to have noise like a regular car so that people can hear you.
That's dumb.
yves edwards
Well, yeah, I mean, you're not riding on the sidewalk, right?
joe rogan
Well, yeah, I mean, I guess it's if people are crossing streets and shit.
yves edwards
Maybe also, I don't know what the rules in Europe are for riding motorcycles, but I don't know.
Do you hear guys when they're riding in between lanes?
You know what I mean?
joe rogan
I don't hear them all the time.
There's a lot of times where you have to look...
In LA, that's such...
When I grew up in Boston, and you couldn't do that.
That's not legal.
Everybody has to stay in a lane.
yves edwards
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah.
yves edwards
In Texas, it's legal.
joe rogan
Oh, it's cut and split in lanes?
yves edwards
Yeah, so I don't know.
joe rogan
I wonder how often it's legal versus illegal.
Well, there's a lot of states that you don't have to wear helmets.
yves edwards
Yeah, Texas was one of them.
I don't know if that's changed.
I know Louisiana is one.
unidentified
That's crazy.
joe rogan
That's crazy.
Last time I was in Miami, I was watching dudes fly by me on the highway with no helmet on.
unidentified
Yeah.
yves edwards
I don't know, though.
I mean, do you want a helmet on?
You hit something at 90 miles an hour?
joe rogan
I don't know.
I mean, yes and no.
I think sometimes people make it.
You know?
yves edwards
Yeah.
But like, what about you get all that pain and then you die?
joe rogan
California remains the only state to allow lane splitting.
unidentified
Wow!
yves edwards
So I guess it's no longer in time.
jamie vernon
I think you can just do it whenever you want.
It's on the motorcyclist to take your own risk.
joe rogan
Oh, so in California it's legal.
jamie vernon
Yeah.
joe rogan
But in all the other places, you just kind of do it?
jamie vernon
Probably, yeah.
yves edwards
hmm yeah it's weird so it's immediately crossing the state line unless nobody crosses the state line it has texas gorgon and nevada here too i don't know maybe it's partially legal there or something certain cities areas yeah freeway maybe only or something Traffic laws, it's weird traffic laws being different, like so different in every state.
I was in Texas a couple days ago and I'm driving and I'm getting over because the cops pulled somebody over on the highway and the passenger, she's like, why are you getting over?
You don't have to do that.
But in Texas, you're supposed to.
If you can get over, you're supposed to get over and give them that lane berth.
Otherwise, you slow down to like 10 miles below the speed limit or whatever.
But like in D.C., Maryland, where she's from, it's like you don't have to do that.
But it's like if I'm from Maryland, I'm in Texas, and I do that, and then another cop's behind me, I'm getting a ticket.
Because if you don't know the law, it's still not their fault, right?
joe rogan
Right.
yves edwards
It's your fault for not knowing.
joe rogan
Did you see the Hong Kong protests that are going on?
yves edwards
No.
joe rogan
There's crazy protests going on in Hong Kong.
But what's amazing is there was an ambulance, and the ambulance was trying to...
I mean, there's giant crowds on the street.
I mean, fucking thousands, if not a million people, right?
They part like the sea for this ambulance.
It's crazy.
Like, if that shit was happening in America, good luck.
You could blow that horn all you want.
What is this, Jamie?
yves edwards
We're going to have to run.
joe rogan
Oh, is this it?
yves edwards
Yeah.
Why does it say North Point and not like Chinese characters on the street?
joe rogan
Yeah.
You sure this is the one?
Hong Kong protesters block world made way for ambulance.
I saw an overhead shot of it.
It was more impressive because it was this giant sea of people and they all just made way and everybody got right the fuck out of the way for ambulances.
yves edwards
It's like when a predatory fish swims through like a small school.
joe rogan
Oh, here it is.
This is what I saw.
Yeah.
So these people just open up.
Good luck trying that shit in America.
I mean, these people are so polite.
jamie vernon
Millions of protesters there.
Like two to three million or something.
joe rogan
Do you know what they're protesting over?
I can't.
There's so much outrage worldwide.
I can't keep track.
yves edwards
Man.
Yeah, there's stuff going on everywhere.
You see that?
There's stuff in Sudan right now.
joe rogan
Everywhere.
Every part of the world is up in arms.
Gaza.
There's a bunch of shit going on there right now.
yves edwards
That's been going on forever.
joe rogan
There's new, more recent shit.
It's exhausting.
yves edwards
Yeah.
Why can't people just not be assholes, right?
joe rogan
It's impossible.
That's why we need this mind reading software.
yves edwards
The problem with that is like, then you're just reading the mind of assholes.
unidentified
Maybe.
joe rogan
Maybe, but maybe people can let you know.
Like, hey man, you don't have to think like that.
Your problem is the way you're thinking.
Because that's 90% of the problem with people is the way they think, and then they act on the way they think.
I don't know if it's 90%.
I'm not a mathematician.
I just threw that number out there.
jamie vernon
The thing that popped up yesterday I showed you is sort of on the way to what you're talking about.
joe rogan
How your friends can play a video game together using only your minds.
Oh, okay.
This is what you were talking about after the show.
Telepathic communication.
Yeah, this is the future.
100%.
There's going to be a time where we share some sort of...
I think it's going to be some sort of a universal language.
They're going to create a language that's based on images or things that are...
Culturally, it could cross boundaries.
People from other countries are going to be able to understand it.
You'll be able to understand it.
yves edwards
It has Google Translate in it.
joe rogan
Yes, I really think that.
I think there's going to be a language.
Do you ever see someone's tweet?
I read tweets from people all the time from different countries.
It's kind of cool that you could see some Russian shit and then just say, translate the tweet.
And you get a chance to try to figure out what this guy's saying.
yves edwards
Yeah.
I've seen that a couple of times, especially with some of my teammates, friends, Brazilian guys.
They will have it in Portuguese, but they will also have it in English themselves.
joe rogan
Yeah, a lot of Brazilian guys do that.
yves edwards
But then when you translate it, it moves words that are already in the English translation.
It makes it screwed up.
It makes the grammar all messed up.
It's really weird.
I don't know why it even touches the English if you're bringing it to that language.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's the problem with languages, right?
Like, the way they say things is different.
So trying to translate something to English, you have to take some sort of editorial license.
You would have to move things around.
What you're trying to say is this.
You can't just translate it.
yves edwards
Yeah.
Yeah, especially because of, like, where we place, like, prepositions.
Like, there are some languages where they don't have the word off.
Like, they don't say, turn off the light.
It's like when they speak in English, they say, kill the light.
joe rogan
Well, that's the way.
I mean, you can still get it.
But yeah, if they don't have an off word.
Like, I would imagine that Asian language is going to be the hardest, right?
Because they have characters.
They don't even have letters.
yves edwards
Yeah, their alphabet is so much bigger.
And their characters can mean so many different things.
This little piece of a character combined with this changes each one individually.
It's like this one is water and this one is fire and you put them together and it's chocolate.
joe rogan
When you were fighting, how many different times did you travel overseas to fight?
yves edwards
Seven?
Six or seven?
unidentified
Something like that.
joe rogan
What was the weirdest place?
yves edwards
Weirdest?
Most different was Japan.
joe rogan
Yeah.
yves edwards
But I wouldn't say it was weird.
joe rogan
Just different?
yves edwards
Just different.
joe rogan
Yeah.
yves edwards
Very different.
It was like being in the future sometimes.
Right?
joe rogan
Yeah, right?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
In Tokyo.
Yeah.
yves edwards
I don't know.
It was a lot of fun.
The different things they do.
The weirdest thing about being over there was that pachinko game.
joe rogan
What's a pachinko game?
yves edwards
It's like these people, they play.
It's like a gambling game.
And they have these buckets of ball bearings.
And they put them in the game.
And I don't even know what the rules are, but you see older and middle-aged Japanese people, they just sit there for hours just playing, and you win, and it's like winning a slot.
It's like a slot machine, kind of.
So when you win, you get a bunch of these balls back.
I swear to you, I don't know, if Jamie pulled up something, I think it's P.A. Chenko?
joe rogan
Oh, sorry, here's a guy who's Japan's biggest gaming obsession explained, Pachinko.
yves edwards
They're like putting ball bearings in there and they just go for hours.
joe rogan
There's so many people wearing masks.
That's the other weird thing about Asia, right?
A lot of people like to wear those masks.
So that's the game?
This weird...
How's it work?
Did you play it?
yves edwards
No, I mean, I don't know what you're trying to do.
Like, everything's in Japanese.
That's the currency for the game.
unidentified
What?
yves edwards
Those ball bearings.
I really don't understand.
joe rogan
I can't believe I'm just finding out about this.
yves edwards
And you will see somebody sitting there, and they will have buckets, like...
Like this big, like square, rectangular buckets, and they'll have like two or three stacks of them next to them, and they just reach down, drop them in the machine, and that's how they play.
I don't know what they're doing, though.
I don't understand it at all.
I want to play it, but then I'm like, it looks stupid.
I don't want to win ball bearings.
What am I going to do?
Put it in my car?
joe rogan
Yeah, what the fuck?
Look at that.
It's so strange.
A bucket.
This guy's just taking fists of ball bearings and throwing them into this machine.
And then they're bouncing around like a pinball machine turned up on its side.
yves edwards
Yeah, I don't understand it at all.
I don't know.
Like, what's the value on those ball bearings?
joe rogan
Dude, I don't.
Look, every time I go to Vegas, every time I go through a casino, I freak out.
I just see those people.
I feel like they're wasting their life.
Playing those goddamn slot machines.
Yeah.
yves edwards
The first time I fought in Vegas, I played a slot machine.
That was the first time I gambled.
In the Bahamas, when I was growing up, also Bahamians couldn't even gamble in the Bahamas.
But then I came here, and I was in Vegas, and I was like, I want to play slots, but I was against gambling, so I played the nickel slots for a while.
I want 20 bucks on the nickel slots.
I'm shaking my winnings in people's faces.
joe rogan
That's hilarious.
You got to go to Circus Circus or someplace to play the nickel slots.
yves edwards
Yeah.
joe rogan
You ever go to that place?
yves edwards
Yeah, I've stayed at Circus Circus before.
joe rogan
That's a window into history.
I go to Circus Circus every time I go to Vegas with my kids because my youngest daughter likes going there.
She likes playing all those stupid carnival games.
She thinks it's hilarious.
She's nine, you know?
yves edwards
Yep.
joe rogan
So she likes shooting water at the thing and the balloon pops and all that stuff.
So we always go there.
And then they do like a circus show where they have like a clown and trapeze artists.
But it's like, no disrespect, but it's kind of second rate.
You know, like the trapeze guy's got a gut.
yves edwards
Yeah, I mean, especially when you come here.
joe rogan
You know, he's a little thick around the middle.
His best days are flipping around through the air over.
yves edwards
He's got, yeah, the big gut, the long arms.
Stretch down arms.
unidentified
Yeah.
yves edwards
Yeah, I don't know.
Especially when you say second-rate, especially when you compare it to Blue Man Group or what's going on at Mandalay or NGM or something.
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
yves edwards
But I mean, A, you're still on the Strip.
You're not on Fremont.
Fremont is like second-rate Vegas, right?
joe rogan
Yeah.
yves edwards
It's very different.
joe rogan
Very weird.
yves edwards
I remember...
I know I'm going to probably catch some flack for this, but I got to tell you this story.
I was there one time, and I'm telling my friends about...
I'm like, this is weird, because I've never really been to Fremont until this time in Vegas.
And I was like, man, why aren't we on the strip?
This is just so weird being out here.
I was there for some fights.
I was like, everything is just a little different.
I mean, everything's really different.
I mean, look, even the women.
Look at that girl.
She has a great body, right?
She's so fine.
Then she turned around, and she's like...
Her face is just ruined.
It's not my fault.
She wasn't attractive to me.
I'm sure she's attractive to somebody.
joe rogan
It's hard to say that these days.
You used to be able to say, someone's ugly.
You can still say a dude's ugly.
Nobody gives you a hard time.
You can still say a dude's fat or a dude's ugly.
Everybody's like, fine.
yves edwards
People call me fat all the time.
joe rogan
No one has a problem with that.
Fat and ugly for a guy is fine.
But if you say a girl's fat, you're body shaming.
If you say she's ugly, you're a fucking sexist piece of shit and you're objectifying her.
yves edwards
Yeah.
It's really hard.
I mean, like there was this lady who's a singer.
Her name is Lizzo, right?
Big lady, a bigger lady, plus size woman, right?
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
Is she that woman that was on the BET Awards?
unidentified
Yes.
joe rogan
She's fucking talented.
yves edwards
Yes.
Woo!
See, here's the thing.
Yeah, she's a plus-sized woman.
Some people think that's overweight, but I'm like, she's not obese.
I mean, she's grotesquely obese.
I guess that's how you say it.
She's not grossly obese.
joe rogan
She could lose a few pounds.
yves edwards
She could, if she wanted to.
If she wanted to.
There's definitely plenty of guys in the world who that suits.
There are some guys my size who that suits.
There are some guys who are linebacker or lineman size who that suits.
Nobody complains about the petite woman, but what about the big linebacker guy who's into petite women?
joe rogan
You know that dude, the Mountain from Game of Thrones?
His girlfriend or his wife or whatever she is, she's like three feet tall.
And he's a fucking giant.
yves edwards
Yeah, you see that sometimes.
I think the guy that played Chewbacca, the original Chewbacca, I think his wife was a tiny woman.
Not like a midget or anything, but...
I'm in trouble now.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's the mountain.
yves edwards
Oh, wow.
joe rogan
Actually, you know what?
She might be normal size.
yves edwards
Yeah, he's a big guy.
joe rogan
Because he's so fucking big.
She's got heels on there at a gala.
But he's so fucking big.
Like that right there.
That looks like me with my nine-year-old.
yves edwards
Yeah.
joe rogan
It does.
It does.
Height-wise, that guy's so goddamn big, it's ridiculous.
yves edwards
Like if you cut off his body where her head is, he would still probably be twice her size.
Twice her weight.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
For sure.
Yeah.
The big fella.
Yeah, he's always entering.
Those strongman competitions are the most ridiculous thing to watch.
You know, whenever I'm like bored flipping through the channels and I catch some dude throwing a beer barrel over a fucking pole, you know, it's like there's always a suspended pole and they're throwing it over the top of like a high jump pole.
It's so ridiculous.
yves edwards
Yeah, I mean, but those type of competitions, you talk about, like, there's that, and then you have that for the athletic or dynamic people, like American Ninja Warrior.
joe rogan
Yeah, oh, that's fucking interesting, man.
Those Ninja Warrior shows are crazy.
You watch those guys, and you go, that is some serious fucking athleticism people do that.
yves edwards
Yeah, that's a whole sport now.
They create gyms based around that, and people are training for it.
People are training for the trials.
joe rogan
Yeah, I can imagine.
I'd like to know who's the best at that weight class-wise.
I bet it's guys that are like 160 pounds and under.
yves edwards
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because you could carry yourself easily.
We did a stunt on Fear Factor once where they were off a bridge and they had to just hold themselves on a chin-up bar over a bridge and the girls all beat the guys.
yves edwards
Wait, they were...
joe rogan
They were just hanging.
yves edwards
Just hanging?
Not pulling themselves...
joe rogan
Nope.
yves edwards
Oh, okay.
joe rogan
Just hanging.
yves edwards
Huh.
joe rogan
Just holding on.
The girls all beat the guys.
All three guys fell.
Now, it was like...
Part of me was like...
Maybe these guys are just bitches.
But part of me was like...
Well, the thing is...
Like, the guys...
They're pretty big dudes.
They're all around 200 plus pounds.
And, you know...
That's a lot of weight in your hands.
And the girls are like...
120...
110...
105...
It's not as much weight.
yves edwards
There's a genetic thing between men and women where there's some things that, like, we see these in sports and whatnot.
There are some sports that are just much more fun to watch when men are playing.
There's some sports that are much more fun when women are playing.
There's some sports that are both, right?
unidentified
Right.
yves edwards
But there's something, I forget the test exactly, but it's something about leaning over and picking up a cheer.
There's a certain posture that you're in, and men can't do it, but women can.
unidentified
Huh.
yves edwards
Like you can't, but it's like a folding chair, like very, very light chair.
I don't know.
joe rogan
Leaning over and picking up a chair?
yves edwards
Yeah, so like you're leaning, I think you press your head onto the wall, but arch your back in a certain way, and you just have to use like your lats basically to pick up the chair, and men can't do it.
joe rogan
Really?
yves edwards
Yeah.
joe rogan
How weird.
jamie vernon
Yeah, it's like a center of gravity test.
I remember doing this when I was younger.
joe rogan
Oh, you know, my daughter tried to show me this the other day, trying to get me to touch my toes, keep my back flat against the wall, with the back of my legs against the wall, and go down and touch your toes.
You just fall forward.
yves edwards
See, I had it all backwards.
You put your butt against the wall, not your head.
I'm just not used to sticking my butt up against stuff.
joe rogan
Let me see that.
Let me see.
Tricks guys can't do.
Stand three feet away from a wall, bend over, put your head against the wall, now try to stand up while lifting a chair.
Oh, no, you had it.
jamie vernon
There's a couple different things.
It's all based around the center of gravity, though.
yves edwards
Yeah, that's the one I'm going to try.
joe rogan
I feel like I could do that.
yves edwards
That's what I said.
joe rogan
Yeah.
I mean, I don't think I'm being cocky and saying I could do that.
But what if a guy's got, like, really good core strength?
yves edwards
I don't think it has to do with your core.
joe rogan
Just nothing to do with that?
yves edwards
Yeah.
joe rogan
Just all about center of gravity?
yves edwards
Yeah, because I think, not most guys, but you take a bunch of fit guys, they have a good, strong core.
joe rogan
They can't do it.
yves edwards
And they can't do it.
Like, you take some average woman...
joe rogan
Congratulations on your victory, ladies.
You got us on one.
yves edwards
Yeah.
I don't want to...
That's one of those sensitive subjects where I'm like, I don't want to say anything smart-ass or anything any kind of way because I get myself in trouble.
joe rogan
So much trouble to get into today.
So many different things people get mad and upset about.
jamie vernon
They did a test with the way that men and women do a one-legged squat.
And I guess the way that each of us would go down is completely different when you break it all the way down to that move.
joe rogan
Oh, so like the mechanics?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Is that because of the hips?
jamie vernon
Muscle structure, everything.
Yeah, it probably is that.
joe rogan
But with women, it's so different the way the shape of their hips, the mechanics.
Women kicking, that's one.
For every Valentina Shevchenko that can knock someone out with one kick, You would think that a woman, right, take a 140-pound woman who is carrying 140 pounds with her legs all the time, going up flights of stairs, running, doing all these different plyometrics and shit, you would think that bitch could be able to kick a fucking hole through you.
See, there's another use of the word bitch.
That's okay.
That, it's out of respect.
That's not derogatory.
But no.
If you see a girl kick a bag, there's a giant difference between a 140-pound girl kicking a bag and a 140-pound guy.
Big difference.
yves edwards
And now is it mostly technique or is it biological?
joe rogan
I think it's biomechanics.
I think it's technique.
I think it's just muscles.
They're just built different.
There's just different muscles.
Like the hips are like this, right?
A woman's hips, especially if a woman has wide hips, right?
Their hips go out wide and their legs kind of go in a little bit.
I wonder if that's responsible for the...
What do they call that?
The male spread?
When dudes sit on a subway.
yves edwards
And they spread the legs.
joe rogan
They manspread.
Yeah.
They manspread.
And people get real mad because they want to sit next to you.
yves edwards
Yeah.
joe rogan
And your legs are all splayed out.
You're being rude.
But if a dude has no one next to them, that's how they sit.
yves edwards
Yeah.
joe rogan
Their legs spread.
I don't think women sit like that.
I don't think it goes that way.
yves edwards
I don't like sitting like that.
I've sat and coached most of my life.
It's uncomfortable.
When you have to sit like that for an extended amount of time, it gets really uncomfortable.
joe rogan
With your legs pinned together?
yves edwards
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's weird.
yves edwards
Yeah, and then there are some ties, but after a while, you just feel uncomfortable inside your pants.
You had to move stuff around.
You can't even open your legs to do that.
joe rogan
But with women, I think that's a normal way to sit.
I think their body naturally, with their hips in the shape that they are, their legs kind of go towards each other.
They kind of point towards the knees.
It's more normal for them to sit with their legs together, I think.
Does that make sense?
yves edwards
It makes sense.
I wonder if it has to do with anything, the equipment down there.
joe rogan
Yeah, it probably has to do with not wanting to be a hoe, right?
yves edwards
I don't want to say.
joe rogan
Sit like this with your leg spread.
If a dude sits like that, that's a confident man.
But if a girl's sitting there with a leg spread, like, look at this bitch.
There's another use of the word bitch.
jamie vernon
This is in a scientific article explaining man spreading.
This is a spinal neurosurgeon's explanation.
joe rogan
Thank you, spinal neurosurgeon.
The overall width of the pelvis is relatively greater in females and the angle of the femoral neck is more acute.
These factors could play a role in making a position of sitting with the knees close together less comfortable for men.
Exactly.
So all you man-spreading people that are shaming men for sitting in a natural way, how dare you?
You should be ashamed of yourself.
yves edwards
Yeah, I'm offended.
joe rogan
Yeah.
I can't wait until women have all the power so we can just start shitting on them.
yves edwards
Here's the subtle thing about that.
They kind of do, right?
joe rogan
I have some.
yves edwards
It's like, who's the world champion of your house?
joe rogan
Yeah, but that's just happy wife, happy life.
That's how you have to run that shit.
I've never seen another situation where it works.
Or you have some woman who's just afraid.
She can't talk.
You don't want that either.
yves edwards
No.
joe rogan
That shit's not healthy.
yves edwards
It's not healthy.
How do you enjoy that?
joe rogan
I don't know.
You have to be a sick fuck.
My house is zero design by me.
There's no decorations of mine.
I have one mounted elk head.
That's it.
The first elk I ever shot with a bow and arrow I have mounted.
That's it.
Everything else.
I don't care.
It looks good.
yves edwards
The first time I came through, you gave me some elk meat.
I made spaghetti out of it.
It was some of the best spaghetti I made.
joe rogan
Super good for your body, man.
yves edwards
Really good.
joe rogan
If you could eat that shit all the time.
If you lived around here, I'd hook you up all the time.
yves edwards
Yeah, I used to.
When I get back, I'm just going to start hitting you up asking you for elk meat.
joe rogan
How long are you in town for?
yves edwards
I leave in the morning.
joe rogan
Do you have a place to cook tonight?
yves edwards
Yeah.
joe rogan
I got some food for you.
yves edwards
Okay.
joe rogan
Okay.
I got some elk sausage that's out of this fucking world.
unidentified
All right.
joe rogan
Oh, it's good.
yves edwards
Yeah, I'm completely down, man.
The first time, I was a little hesitant because I was like, well, this didn't come from the store.
You know what I mean?
But then I took it home.
I made it up, and I was just like, oh, man.
The flavor is so different.
The flavor is different.
The texture is different.
I don't know.
I wanted more.
joe rogan
It's alive.
I mean, in terms of when you're eating it, it just feels like it's got energy.
It's got power.
yves edwards
Yeah, like it tastes like it had a good life.
joe rogan
Yeah, man, like, if you're eating some, like, a pig that lives in a pen, like, oh, sad.
It's just sadness.
yves edwards
Yeah.
joe rogan
You're eating an elk, especially if it didn't know you were there.
Like, that elk had no idea you were there until that arrow hit its ribcage, and then it's dead in seconds.
That thing lived a noble life.
yves edwards
Yeah.
joe rogan
And that's the best way it's ever going to die.
I mean, if you're an elk, you don't want to get caught in a valley with some wolves.
yves edwards
Yeah.
joe rogan
That shit's rough.
That's a rough way to go.
yves edwards
I was talking to you, buddy Jeff, earlier about that.
Like, you got a choice.
Of course, it's hypothetical.
You got a choice.
You're going to get mauled by a bear, a gorilla, or die by a wolf or a tiger.
What do you choose?
joe rogan
I take the gorilla all day because I think he's just going to beat your ass.
I don't think he's going to kill you because I don't think he wants to eat you.
yves edwards
But the premise of the question is you're going to die.
joe rogan
Hmm.
Yeah, than the tiger, because the tiger's going to get your neck and kill you quick.
yves edwards
That's my choice, also.
joe rogan
Yeah, I think so.
Did you see the video of the tiger chasing the dudes on the motorbike?
yves edwards
No.
joe rogan
Oh, in India?
It's horrific.
Fucking dudes are driving on this road in this wildlife preserve, and this tiger comes full clip, chasing them out of the jungle, and just bails off at the last second.
yves edwards
That scares the shit out of me.
joe rogan
It should.
It's fucking horrific.
They're so fast, dude.
yves edwards
Like, what do you do?
Right?
joe rogan
What can you do?
yves edwards
There's nothing you can do.
joe rogan
Unless you have a gun.
You're so weak.
There's not much you can do.
yves edwards
But then when you think about that, you think about Africa, you think about India, you think about these places where lions and tigers exist and people have existed since the beginning of time.
At some point, someone had to win that, right?
joe rogan
Just numbers, just population numbers.
Here's the video.
Check this shit out.
You're going to freak out.
I don't need to see her, Jamie.
Here it is.
So these guys are on this bike.
Look at this thing.
Look at this thing.
He just tried.
He tried.
Now, the reason why this is significant is because in India, tigers eat people all the fucking time.
They eat them all the time.
There's tigers that target human beings.
There's a place in India called the Sundarbans.
And the Sundarbans, it's near this river that they think that one of the reasons why the tigers are so irritable is that they're drinking this river water.
And the river water has a high degree of salt in it.
High level of salt.
And so they're irritated all the time.
yves edwards
Yeah.
joe rogan
They're just in agony.
And they're particularly vicious.
And over the last 200 years, tigers have killed more than 300,000 human beings in this one part of India.
yves edwards
Why do you still live there?
They're poor.
I'm giving that place to the tigers.
I see that.
I see that video and I imagine being that guy on that bike.
And like...
You know what a bike seat is like, right?
unidentified
Yeah.
yves edwards
Can you imagine being on a bike seat with like, I'm shitting myself.
joe rogan
Yeah, for sure.
If you have any shit in your body, it's going to come out.
yves edwards
There's no way you win that.
joe rogan
Nope.
yves edwards
There's no way you win that.
Not today.
joe rogan
No, you don't win.
You only win by being on a motorcycle and getting away.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
The fact they got a video of it, though.
yves edwards
Yeah.
I hope he had a GoPro on.
He's just like riding.
Hey!
joe rogan
Listen, they get got all the time.
All the time.
Especially in India.
India, I think, is the worst place in the world for tiger and human interactions.
yves edwards
I don't get that.
Like, are the tigers in India bigger or smaller?
joe rogan
They're just tigers.
yves edwards
Yeah, I know it doesn't matter the size.
They're either like 300 or 500 pounds or something like that.
joe rogan
I think the biggest tigers are in Siberia.
yves edwards
Okay.
joe rogan
I think that's the case.
Usually with mammals...
What happens is the same species, when they're in a hotter climate, tend to be smaller, depends on the animal obviously, than they are in the colder climates.
It has something to do with preserving body temperature, like deer for instance.
If you get a whitetail deer from Texas, it's much smaller than a whitetail deer from Saskatchewan.
It's the same species, but way up north, it's just colder and they'll grow like 300 pounds up there, whereas a big whitetail in Texas is like half that size.
yves edwards
Yeah.
Yeah, that's people too, right?
There are certain places where people are just larger.
Yeah.
joe rogan
The mountain guy from Game of Thrones, that motherfucker.
jamie vernon
I guess they had a controversial moment at the end of last year into this year.
They had a tiger that was known for killing 13 people or more.
And so they had a shoot to kill target on it.
joe rogan
Yeah.
jamie vernon
And I guess someone got it.
joe rogan
And people were mad?
jamie vernon
People were mad.
unidentified
Sigh.
joe rogan
It killed 13 people and people are mad that someone killed it.
People are just fucking weak.
They're just so soft.
yves edwards
What if you got the wrong tiger?
joe rogan
Fuck him.
Fuck them all.
Anyone that you get a chance to kill that's close enough to kill you, kill them.
yves edwards
Man, I think I can't get that video of the tiger chasing that bike out of my head.
Because that's another thing.
Those things, they're so coordinated.
That thing at full speed can take a swipe at that back tire.
joe rogan
And just...
yves edwards
And then you're screwed.
Like, what do you do?
Like, what's your first reaction going to be?
Like, get up and try and get back on the bike?
joe rogan
There's nothing you can do.
There's nothing you can do.
There's no way you get the bike going in time.
The tiger would be on you so fast.
I mean, they can run.
They could probably run 40 miles an hour, those fucking things.
And it's probably 400 pounds, 500 pounds.
yves edwards
400 pounds of something.
An animal is 400-something pounds and runs at twice the speed of Usain Bolt.
unidentified
Yeah.
yves edwards
How is that fair?
joe rogan
I mean, that's why there's not a million deer.
The reason why there's not a million deer in that same spot is because of those tigers.
They need them.
I was in Lanai, which is one of the smaller islands in Hawaii, hunting Axis deer.
And the Axis deer were given to King Kamehameha of Hawaii, like in the 1800s.
And when we were over there, you know, you bow hunt these things.
And I'm telling you, you've never seen a deer move this fast.
The reason why they're so fast is they evolved to get away from tigers.
So when they see you, they make this noise like...
And then they fucking scatter.
And they're so fast.
It's hilarious to watch.
Like, wow.
They're so fast.
yves edwards
When you say that, my brain just starts doing the math and I'm like...
Of course, the ones that got caught by the tigers are the slower ones.
So the fastest ones are mating.
I can only imagine.
It's kind of like a female Olympic sprinter.
Marries a running back and they have a kid.
unidentified
Woo!
joe rogan
Yeah!
Look, genetics are real.
I mean, that's one of the reasons why America's becoming softer and softer.
Is because what are you getting?
You're getting people that sit at a desk all day with fucking herniated discs and a fat belly.
Drinking coffee and eating donuts and they marry someone who's just like them and they barely get their shit together and they have a kid who watches video games all day and eats cookies and he's gross and then he marries another girl who's like that and next thing you know, you go through this four, five, six generations, you get piss-poor genes.
yves edwards
I just recently went home to the Bahamas and I'm starting to miss it more and more and more because as I get older, I long for the things that I did as a little kid.
I long for the places that I was at as a little kid.
And so my family's from this little place called Farmerski Exuma that's three quarters of a mile by seven eighths.
I think I told you that before.
And it's tiny.
And I was there this time.
And just seeing, just waking up every morning and just looking out the window and just blue ocean all day.
I just, I want to go back there.
The people that live there, like you get a boat at like 14, 15 years old.
Because there's really nothing that you can do on the island other than interact with your family and fish, right?
Everything that you need, staple-wise.
You have to go somewhere else to get her.
It has to be brought in.
So I have a cousin who...
He's older than me.
He's like my grandmother's generation, but he's my cousin.
He's like four years older than me.
But this guy, he free dives.
And he will go down and he will hang out on the water for like two or three minutes with a spear.
He doesn't like to scuba.
He doesn't like to take a tank with him.
One time we're fishing off the back of the boat.
He's off the front.
And then on top of that, he's in the water.
And he comes out of the water and he reaches up and he says, hey Julian, bring the boat over here.
It's a shark.
And then he goes back down.
You know what I mean?
There's a shark in the water near him.
Probably a reef shark.
And he's got his spear and he's just like, just get closer but I'm still fishing.
Like, that's the life.
joe rogan
So he just wants to be able to get out if shit goes sideways.
yves edwards
Yeah.
I'm assuming, but I'm like...
joe rogan
He's not scared.
Would you think that it would be safer to be in the water or on top of the water if there was a shark?
Like, if you had goggles, you could see the motherfucker, wouldn't you want to be in the water?
Rather than on top and not knowing where he's coming from?
I would think so.
yves edwards
I would think so, but then you, like, not only is it 360, but it's like universal.
The view is universal, right?
joe rogan
Right.
yves edwards
But if you're on top of the water and you can see, at least, it's like you got your back to the wall.
joe rogan
Yeah.
yves edwards
You can't come from the top.
joe rogan
That's true.
yves edwards
So.
joe rogan
That's true.
yves edwards
I don't know.
joe rogan
I don't know.
yves edwards
But at the same time, you're in the water with an animal who's...
That's his natural habitat.
unidentified
Yeah.
yves edwards
Like, you can't even turn around nearly as fast as he can.
He can probably swim around you and come up from the back before you can even turn around.
joe rogan
Yeah, probably.
Yeah.
They swim pretty fucking fast.
yves edwards
Yeah.
They're like ninjas in the water.
joe rogan
They're clean-up crew, just like that tiger.
yves edwards
I, um...
So, my girlfriend and I were there, and I was, um...
Feeding the turtles, right?
So I try to grab a turtle, and literally the turtle is this big.
It's no bigger than this.
And I'm about to pick it up.
I'm trying to pick it up.
joe rogan
This being like...
Explain to people.
yves edwards
Oh, I'm sorry.
Yeah, probably like...
joe rogan
A trash can lid?
yves edwards
Yeah, a trash can lid.
No bigger than a trash can lid.
And I am trying to pick it up, and before I can get it out of the water, those big fins, arms that they have, he pulls me down into the water.
Like this little thing, he probably weighs...
40, 50 pounds, right?
And it's just so powerful in the water.
Like, if I were to hang on to that turtle, I would be moving faster than I would move with fins on.
unidentified
Whoa.
yves edwards
Like, how is that possible?
Like, I don't want to talk about my weight, but I'm a lot bigger than that turtle.
Are you getting sensitive?
I'm not at fight weight anymore.
joe rogan
You're eating well.
You look good, man.
Don't worry about it.
Do you think you're going to move to Bahamas?
Do you think you'd live there someday?
yves edwards
Ultimately, I'm definitely going to live back there in my lifetime.
I mean, I want to die there.
You know what I mean?
I don't necessarily want to die anytime soon.
joe rogan
But when you do, you want to live the end of your life there, the relaxed life, island life.
Hey man, I get it.
Every time I go to Hawaii, my brain starts spinning.
I'm like, can I live here?
Why don't I just move here?
I don't need much, you know?
yves edwards
Did you watch the Steve Jobs movie?
joe rogan
No.
yves edwards
I haven't either, but just recently it was on television and the opening scene was some guy in like, I don't know, the 70s or 60s talking about computers.
When computers were huge, when computers were like those big things that take up an entire room...
He's like, yeah, one day you can be anywhere in the world and you can work.
You can be on a remote island and you can be doing your work and you will get emails.
He's talking about emails like in the 60s.
He's talking about the internet in the 60s or something.
It's on the beginning of the Jobs movie.
joe rogan
Is that the one with Ashton Kutcher?
yves edwards
No.
jamie vernon
I was going to ask which one.
There's another one.
Michael Fassbender 2 that came out.
yves edwards
I think it's the Fassbender.
I don't know what Michael Fassbender looks like.
joe rogan
I know that name, but who's Michael Fassbender?
jamie vernon
He's, uh...
joe rogan
What was he in?
jamie vernon
I think he's like Loki in the Avengers.
I think that's him too.
joe rogan
Oh, that makes sense.
That makes sense.
yves edwards
I think that's him.
But yeah, that movie, they were talking about that then, and I'm like, you know...
And then 2001 was when Jobs came out with the...
Yeah, that's him.
joe rogan
Oh, no, no.
Is he Loki?
jamie vernon
No, he's someone, but I'd mix somebody up.
joe rogan
He's from Prometheus.
He's the robot in the Prometheus and Alien series.
He's the...
Yeah, that guy's excellent.
yves edwards
Yeah.
joe rogan
Oh, so he played Steve Jobs.
Was Steve Jobs an asshole in the Steve Jobs movie?
yves edwards
Yeah, I mean, I only saw like the first five minutes.
I want to watch this, but he does look, yeah, he is in the movie.
But the claim is that you have to be an asshole to be like a genius.
joe rogan
I don't know if I buy that.
yves edwards
I don't buy it either.
joe rogan
A lot of people who get a lot of shit done eventually run into people that don't get shit done the way they want.
And so the only way they figure out how to get shit done with those people is to dominate them.
yves edwards
Yeah, push.
joe rogan
To yell at them and to – like the Apple deal was that you had to work insane hours too.
That's a weird thing, man.
If you're going to work for a company, you got a good job.
Is it a good job?
What's so good about it?
That you get money?
Where's your life?
You don't have a life.
You're working 17 hours a day?
Oh, okay.
That sucks.
That's a shitty job.
Even if you're making a lot of money, like a guy who makes less money, but it can take the weekend off and go fishing and hang out with his kids and chill.
That's a better life.
yves edwards
Preach it, Joe.
unidentified
Preach it.
joe rogan
That's a better life.
yves edwards
I'm listening.
Hallelujah.
joe rogan
That Bahamas life is the way to go.
yves edwards
I'm telling you, man.
joe rogan
Got me thinking.
yves edwards
When I was at home, it was just nice.
A fighter's life is kind of like that.
Not all the time and not every one, but you get to do what you love to do, and then you get to do what you want to do.
joe rogan
If you can handle the highs and the lows, with fighters, it's handling the highs with the ego and the lows with the emotions and just the letting everybody down and the depression.
yves edwards
Both of those things.
Those are the extremes.
The highs of winning big fights and being admired for something that truly becomes a part of you.
Just being yourself.
That feels good, but you do put a lot of weight on yourself.
And when you lose, I ain't gonna lie, man...
There has been some things on the internet, like when I lost to Hominick, right?
It was like, oh, he threw that fight, and I was like, that breaks my heart.
That hurts my heart.
joe rogan
When someone says you threw the fight?
yves edwards
Yeah, you know?
joe rogan
Yeah, you just can't read that shit.
But I know what you mean.
yves edwards
Yeah.
joe rogan
You can't read, there's people that, they have crazy theories about nonsense.
There's, you know, that's crazy, the idea that you threw a fight, or that you would get together with Hominick, or make a bet against yourself or something stupid like that.
unidentified
Right.
yves edwards
I just heard at some point over the past year or so, I heard an argument that like, well, if a guy doesn't make weight and the other guy gets so much of his purse and he's going to get his win and show money, right?
If he's guaranteed he's winning show money anyway, then why wouldn't he just throw the fight and get a bonus percentage of the winners win money?
joe rogan
That's a moron.
That's a moron.
Well, not only that.
unidentified
Thank you.
joe rogan
That's not just a moron.
It's someone who doesn't understand the psychology of a winner.
yves edwards
Yeah.
joe rogan
The thing about a winner is the last thing a winner wants to do is lose on purpose.
yves edwards
Right?
joe rogan
And when you have the opportunity, the big thing is winning.
You have the opportunity to win.
It's right in front of you.
And you only get a chance to do this three times a year, four times a year, five if you're a cowboy.
Right?
yves edwards
Cowboy's crazy.
joe rogan
He's crazy.
But he fights like five times a year, right?
If he could, he'd probably fight every week.
yves edwards
Yeah.
joe rogan
But the idea that you're going to throw that?
The best feeling that you could ever achieve?
They're crazy.
They just don't understand it.
But that's just the problem with the internet, is reading comments.
Too many morons with ideas.
yves edwards
I used to love the underground, man.
joe rogan
It was great back in the day.
yves edwards
I was like, I had the O, what?
I think I have double O's.
You know what I mean?
unidentified
Yeah.
yves edwards
Like being from back then, you know?
joe rogan
Yeah.
yves edwards
Or maybe even a 90, like at some point they just gave you the number.
joe rogan
I was on in the 90s.
yves edwards
Same here.
joe rogan
Yeah.
yves edwards
So like, I don't know if my thing says 99 or double O. I still sign in every once in a while.
joe rogan
Just to check in?
yves edwards
Just to check in.
joe rogan
So much toxic conversation.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
But that's just the internet in general.
There's still a lot of good discussions on the underground.
I think last time I was on was about a month ago.
I went and checked.
I was like, hmm.
Especially there was some good jujitsu talk.
There was some good technique talk about leg locks and And whether or not there's going to be a transition from leg locks because the leg lock game sort of overtook jujitsu.
Whether or not it was going to switch to choking or whether there's going to be a new trend because leg lock defense is so good now.
And I'm like, I appreciate that.
I appreciate when people are like...
Devoted practitioners, and they're really discussing technique.
But when it's like, this guy's a pussy, and he fucking sucks, and Ronda Rousey's a fucking bitch.
yves edwards
There's so much of that on the internet.
It's hard to filter through that to find some good conversations sometimes.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's like, in your life, you would avoid people like that, like the plague.
Like, if there was a guy in your life that wanted your phone number and all he does is complain about things and have stupid theories, you'd be like, get this guy the fuck away from me, right?
yves edwards
Yeah.
joe rogan
But you can't avoid them online.
yves edwards
Yeah, I know.
That's the thing.
Being anonymous on the internet, that's some power for some people, man.
joe rogan
Sure.
yves edwards
Man, that's crazy.
joe rogan
Well, it's also you got to realize that the people that are executing that power, the people that want and need that power, they're all either young or they're losers.
Those are the two.
They're young.
They don't get it.
You know, they're 14. Someone lets them on.
I just want to say mean shit because it's fun.
Like, you got a rock.
There's a window.
Eh.
No one's looking.
I'm going to throw this rock.
yves edwards
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's what people do.
It's normal.
But...
I don't want to hang out with young kids, and I don't want to hang out with losers.
yves edwards
But see, that's the problem.
I think there's something with that, too.
I mean, we know there's something with that, where being anonymous, that's a protection.
You see, sometimes that bleeds into their real life.
I mean, I saw this video of this kid.
He's just making fun of this older man.
He's being rude to this woman.
He's making fun of this older man.
So the man starts making fun of him, too.
He's like, And so the kid starts punching him in the arm.
And the guy's like, he just turns away and the kid's swinging at him.
And this is not like a little kid.
He's a little kid.
You shouldn't...
He's not a kid that you would smack because if he started talking smack to you, right?
You wouldn't fight him because of that.
But then this kid starts punching him and he's like...
He tells the kid to stop and the kid keeps going.
He grabs him by the throat and he pushes him, right?
And the kid falls down and he's like...
Then he starts crying.
And he's like, you assaulted me!
And it's like...
What reality do you live in, man?
Your parents have failed.
I'm sorry.
joe rogan
Life failed them.
They live in a blurry reality.
It's too much online, not enough real world.
Not enough getting your ass kicked, too.
yves edwards
That's the thing.
Fighting solves everything, man.
joe rogan
It solves a lot of things.
yves edwards
Everything.
unidentified
I hate those people that say, fighting, what is that going to solve?
yves edwards
Like, everything.
I'm telling you.
Like, my thing is, like, if you start...
I don't like going back and forth.
You know what I mean?
Like, we're not going to go back and forth.
You say something disrespectful, I'm going to say something disrespectful.
I'm going to up the ante.
And then if you want to keep going, like, man, we can just stop talking right now and go.
You know?
I know I'm an old man now, but, like, I... Like, that solves everything.
Like, there's no reason to be talking.
joe rogan
Also, having a history of that in your life gives you a much better perspective of the consequences of talking shit.
If you don't have any history, like, how many times have you seen guys talk shit and you know they can't fight?
Like, this is crazy.
This is like someone challenging someone to a race they've never driven a car.
Like, they don't even know how to shift gears.
You don't know a goddamn thing.
What, you watch a Jackie Chan movie thinking to fuck somebody up?
But there's a lot of people that are doing that.
yves edwards
There's so many people that believe that.
And then just guys who watch fights.
They believe that they can beat.
There are legit people that believe they can beat people that are inside the octagon or inside a professional cage, inside the PFL or Ryzen or somewhere.
And they're just like, I can beat that guy.
No, you can't.
I can't really believe that.
No, you can't.
joe rogan
Just by beating them.
yves edwards
I can beat Pauly Malignaggi.
Did you see?
unidentified
No, dude.
joe rogan
No, he'll fuck you up.
That was a sad fight, man.
I watched it again.
yves edwards
I didn't watch.
I don't know.
I can't bring myself to watch the bare knuckle boxing.
joe rogan
I tell you what, man.
It changed my opinion.
I was thinking for a long time that MMA done correctly, you'd have bare knuckles.
Because I was like, why you got bare shins and bare knees and bare elbows, but you have your knuckles padded up?
That doesn't make any sense.
But now I see the cuts, like Chris Lieben.
His face was just opened up, man.
I was like, that is just...
I don't want to see people take unnecessarily cuts that way because then that scar tissue opens up and then shortens their career, stops fights.
I don't want to see that.
yves edwards
And also breaking hands.
I mean, that's why I don't want to watch it.
I'm not a big fan of cuts.
Remember Marvin Eastman and Vitor Belfort?
I don't like...
Yeah, horrific.
I want...
I want to show you something that's like...
When you see those gory videos, does that really throw you?
joe rogan
No.
yves edwards
Okay, so I'm going to show you something and it's horrible, right?
But...
Oh, crap.
What is it?
It's a video.
It's a video of...
I don't even know how to explain it.
I don't want to tell you what it is until you see it because it is so graphic.
joe rogan
Is it a fight video?
yves edwards
It's not a fight video.
It's just something gory.
joe rogan
Okay.
yves edwards
You want to see some gore?
Yeah.
joe rogan
Show me.
yves edwards
I keep forgetting how to get through my phone sometimes, but I found it.
joe rogan
Okay, let's see.
yves edwards
So you're watching that, right?
joe rogan
Okay.
yves edwards
I don't know if those two things go together.
joe rogan
Oh, Jesus Christ.
Oh, Jesus Christ.
yves edwards
Yeah.
You can see that, Jamie.
Yeah.
unidentified
Whoa.
yves edwards
I don't know if that part one equals part two.
I don't know if that was just edited, but still.
joe rogan
It looks like it took him right in the mug.
That seems like what it would do if a log hit you in the face like that.
yves edwards
I don't want to see that.
joe rogan
That guy's whole head is broken.
He's missing his upper jaw.
yves edwards
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yikes.
yves edwards
Like, I don't even want to look.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Well, how about Cyborg?
When Michael Venom Page hit him with that knee?
unidentified
Woo!
joe rogan
That's one that makes you...
It makes you fucking...
Your whole body tightens up.
yves edwards
Like, how do you dent somebody's skull?
Like, do you know how much force you have to hit somebody with like that?
joe rogan
Crazy.
Think of all the fights you've seen.
We've never seen that.
I've never seen that.
yves edwards
Think about this.
When something...
Everybody's been hit on the head or something fell on your head and it's an edge of something and it's just...
That pain?
joe rogan
Yeah.
yves edwards
I can't imagine what that pain is like.
That's bone.
joe rogan
Yeah.
yves edwards
The bone...
I don't want to see it.
There's the...
No, I'm not saying no, but I'm just like...
I looked over there and that screen brightened up and...
joe rogan
Well, how about...
Yeah, what Cosmo Alexandre did to Sage Northcutt.
That's crazy too.
One punch, broke like eight bones in his face.
Yeah.
yves edwards
Like, this is not for the lighthearted, man.
joe rogan
It's not for the lighthearted.
yves edwards
Like, a lot of people, like, I'm not a sage hater, but I'm not a sage lover.
You know what I mean?
But like...
I don't wish that on anybody.
joe rogan
I don't wish that on anybody either and I don't like that matchup.
I didn't like that matchup at all.
I was like, what are they doing?
That's a world champion striker.
Cosmo is a fucking bad man.
He's a bad man.
He lights people on fire.
And him at 185 pounds with no weight cutting, and that's one of the things that he said about that fight, how good he felt, where he didn't have to cut any weight.
You see how thick and fucking full he looked.
He wasn't depleted and dehydrated and everything like that.
That is just not Sage's...
Bring it back to the beginning.
jamie vernon
It does this in all angles.
joe rogan
Look how thick he is, too.
Have you seen Cosmo's fights before?
I remember when he fought John Wayne Parr in Lion Fight...
But John Wayne Parr is a multiple-time world champion and a skillful guy, and he managed to avoid the big power shots like this and didn't get hurt.
But it's also Cosmo having a chance to punch you with MMA gloves on, too.
With the majority of his career, he fought Muay Thai.
Boom!
I mean, that is a crazy punch.
yves edwards
Everything's behind that.
joe rogan
And it's like, this kid is just not ready for this yet.
He's just not ready for this.
As much as he has experience in karate, and he had some good MMA fights against some good fighters.
This is not a good fighter.
That's an elite, world-class striker.
yves edwards
Striker.
joe rogan
And, you know, you're fighting him with little gloves on in a ring.
yves edwards
And your mixed martial arts game is primarily a striking game.
joe rogan
Yep.
yves edwards
You're at a big disadvantage.
joe rogan
Huge.
Enormous disadvantage.
I like what One is doing, though.
I really do.
I like what they're doing.
I thought that's interesting, too, that they made him fight in a ring.
I don't know how many events one does in a ring versus does in a cage, but the dynamics shift radically when you get cornered.
That's one of the cool things about the Bellator cage.
It's circular.
There's no corner in anybody.
But when you see a boxing ring like that...
yves edwards
Yeah.
Especially, again, with Cosmo.
That's where he spent most of his time.
Like, all of his time.
joe rogan
It's a different environment.
yves edwards
And cutting that off is so much easier.
And for a guy who knows how to do that, he...
It's almost like Sage was set up.
I'm not saying they set him up, but that's just a bad situation.
joe rogan
I guess he didn't have to take the fight.
I should say, I don't know how they do their matchmaking.
The UFC kind of forces fights on people, right?
They let you know, you take this fight, or we're probably not going to call you.
It's up to you, but if you want a career in the UFC, you take fights when you get them.
But when you see fighters in boxing, They have a really good manager.
The manager knows who the guy you're going to fight is and says, Okay, Eve, this guy is good, but you can beat him.
And this is what I like about this style.
He's going to challenge you in a couple areas, but overall you're a better fighter than him.
But it'll give you a challenge, and we're trying to build your record up to get you a title shot.
And maybe you'd be 9-0, 10-0, 11-0, 12-0.
And then, you know, you get to a certain level, and they go, okay, we're ready to fight for a title.
And then it would be this big promotion, Eve Edwards, you know, 17-0, you know, 16 knockouts, and it shows your highlight reel.
Like, this is something that big management.
This is the reason why it exists in boxing.
It's actually smart, because it's part of the development of a fighter.
For every Jon Jones that could just step into the octagon at 21 years old and start fucking people up, There's so many young fighters that could be world champions, but then they run into elite competition early in their career and get fucked up, and then their dream kind of drifts away from them.
yves edwards
Yeah, fear gets put in them early.
That's a problem.
joe rogan
And unnecessarily, in my opinion.
yves edwards
Yeah, I agree.
And that's the thing about guys getting into the UFC really early in their career.
That's everybody's goal.
Virtually every fighter on the planet, that's where they want to be.
That's the most recognized belt.
That's the belt that everybody considers the highest ranked belt.
So that's where everybody wants to get.
And getting there with two or three fights under your belt, it's exciting.
But you're in the wolf stand now.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's not smart.
Everybody wants to say they're a UFC fighter, but it really isn't smart.
The smart way to do it is to fight on the regional circuit, train at a really good gym, and develop yourself.
yves edwards
Brian Ortega.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Look what Marlon Marais did.
Before PFL, when it was the World Series of Fighting, he was fucking everybody up over there.
And we were watching him going, how would this guy fare against world-class competition?
And then you get him to the UFC, you go, okay, this guy's the real deal.
yves edwards
Yeah, he's right there.
joe rogan
He's the real deal.
But it took all those years in smaller shows to build up that sort of skill set and that confidence and experience.
yves edwards
There's a lot of good guys that came through there, like Gaethje, you know?
joe rogan
Sure.
Perfect example.
Yeah.
yves edwards
And it's also a good place when you get, when guys got, I'm not talking about now, of course, because it's not long in the World Series, but when guys got, you know, they got to the UFC and they did their experience show that they weren't ready for it.
And, you know, having these smaller promotions, that's a good thing because some of those guys, their spirit, Doesn't necessarily break.
They just know they're not ready for that.
Going back down and working their way back up.
But then again, it's hard.
Sometimes it's hard to earn that second shot.
You know what I mean?
You can go back and I guess it all depends also on the relationship you had with the powers that be.
Once you're out, if you went out on a bad note, it doesn't really matter.
joe rogan
Yeah, there's some bridge burners out there.
Some young guys, they get crazy, and then they do an interview.
Interviews are so toxic, right?
You start getting crazy, and you say something that really could fuck up your entire career, and you might not even really mean it.
Or if you do mean it, you might mean it only for an hour.
And then after you say, like, why did I say that?
Really, I should look at it from their perspective.
They're trying to run a business.
yves edwards
Don't be in your feelings.
joe rogan
Yeah, don't be in your feelings.
One of the more interesting things about the PFL this season was Vinny Magalhães.
Vinny Magalhães has become who I thought he would be earlier in his career because he's such a phenom with grappling.
He's a legitimate world champion.
I remember watching him Sean O'Connell.
Sean O'Connell.
Yeah, I want to say O'Malley, but I know that's not his name.
Sean O'Connell.
I was very impressed, man.
Amazed that he was able to beat him.
yves edwards
Man, he put a real good game plan together.
He had Jeremy Horn in his corner, too.
Like, having that knowledge bank behind you, you know what I mean?
But, like, Vinny, I think his fights lasted, like, not even a round to get to the finals.
So that's four fights, and he hasn't even spent five minutes in the cage yet, you know?
And then...
Sean takes him to the end.
But then this season, Vinny just fought a couple of weeks ago.
And man, I guess it's kind of like the strategy to be Vinny, of course, is to keep the fight standing.
Not get taken down.
Not be on bottom.
Don't even let him pull guard.
But he took a pounding in that first round.
He needs a win.
He needs to show that Vinny-level jiu-jitsu in his next fight to get into the playoffs this year.
joe rogan
Did he win his fight?
yves edwards
He lost.
He lost.
He got stopped in the second, I believe.
joe rogan
By who?
yves edwards
Emiliano Sorti.
joe rogan
Oh.
yves edwards
He lit him up, man.
unidentified
Really?
yves edwards
He just picked him apart, stayed on the outside.
I think Vinny did land one takedown.
But sort of he defended, got back to his feet, and he just worked him.
Body, head, just really good boxing.
joe rogan
Yeah, Vinny might be just that guy that's this elite-level jiu-jitsu guy that never quite realizes his full potential in MMA. And it's also the amount of time.
You've got to think, he was back in the Ultimate Fighter.
Ryan Bader stopped him in the finals.
That was a long time ago.
yves edwards
That was like the fourth or fifth season.
joe rogan
Something like that.
So what was that, 2007 or something like that?
12 years ago?
That's a long career.
yves edwards
That's a long time.
But like, he still looks good.
He still has it.
His striking has gotten better.
I mean, he's not going to be able to go toe-to-toe with the elite level strikers in his weight class.
But his wrestling is where I think that's where he really needs to focus now.
If he still wants to do, or how much longer he wants to do this.
joe rogan
Right.
How old is he now?
unidentified
I think Vinny's 33, 34?
joe rogan
35?
yves edwards
It was close.
But his striking is...
You have to respect it.
You have to respect his standing.
And if he can transition to taking a shot off of that and just chain wrestle, that'll be so much better.
Because on top, of course, he's going to be a monster.
But if he's pulling guard, there's a few guys he's going to catch.
But most of the better guys, you're going to have a problem there.
joe rogan
What'd you say?
jamie vernon
It's his birthday today.
yves edwards
Just turned 35. Happy birthday, Vinny.
joe rogan
Yeah, he's one of the few guys...
I mean, didn't he get like two Kimuras in a row?
yves edwards
Two Kimuras on the same night.
joe rogan
Did he really?
yves edwards
Yeah.
One from...
joe rogan
Oh, we were fighting on the same night.
That shit's crazy.
I'm not a fan of that.
yves edwards
Why?
joe rogan
Because I think that the problem is, say, if two guys fight, right?
And one guy knocks the other guy out real quick and then goes into the next round.
But the other guy who is going to fight, he fights and he has a rough three-round war.
And then he goes into the next fight.
One guy is super fresh and the other guy's body is beat to shit.
Just doesn't make sense.
Like, one guy's legs are all fucked up.
He's been leg kicked.
He might have got dinged.
He might be, like, a little dizzy.
And then he's going to go and fight an hour later?
That seems ridiculous to me.
yves edwards
But what about, like, so that's different for you if it's wrestling or if it's a submission grappling tournament?
joe rogan
Yes.
yves edwards
Because there's no striking?
joe rogan
Yeah, because there's no striking.
unidentified
Yeah.
yves edwards
The thing about that is you can always, if you're going in banged up, or if you get hurt, we saw that last year in the playoffs.
I forget who it was.
I believe it was Islam Amadov.
He won his fight, but I don't remember what the injury was, but he pulled out.
And the guy he beat, who was not banged up, really.
I mean, the fight was a tough fight.
He claimed he was going in at 100%, except for the conditioning.
joe rogan
Yeah, but the thing is, like, there's a difference between being injured, like, you tear your ACL and you know it, and, like, I can't fight, I can't go on, and just being beat to shit.
yves edwards
That is the difference, but, I mean...
What's the difference between fighting?
You can only fight five rounds.
joe rogan
Right.
yves edwards
And no commission is going to let you fight five rounds, more than five rounds in a night.
So in the playoffs for the PFL, we have two rounds in the quarterfinals, and in the semifinals, there's three rounds, right?
It's kind of tricky because should the fight end up in a draw, then the fighter who won the first round wins the fight.
joe rogan
What?
yves edwards
Yeah.
I think it should be the second.
joe rogan
Yeah.
yves edwards
Some people think it should be the second.
Some people think it should be the first.
joe rogan
Why is it the fighter that won the first round?
yves edwards
I don't know.
I mean...
joe rogan
That seems silly.
unidentified
It's...
yves edwards
Yeah.
joe rogan
Don't you want to...
Like if the teacher comes and pulls you off a dude, you're on top and you punch him in the face, but that guy was hitting you with a jab for the first two minutes.
It doesn't matter.
Everybody knows you won the fight.
yves edwards
Street fight rules, right?
joe rogan
Yeah.
If you're on top and you're punching him in the face when they break it up, you won.
yves edwards
Yeah.
joe rogan
He knows it too.
Everyone knows it.
yves edwards
I agree.
So I do like the second round being weighed more heavily.
I think also having the second round weighed more heavily, where the first round is, you're going to press the action.
And the guy's not really going to run.
Because if you do run, you can't be assured that, unless you dominated the first round completely, you can't be assured that you're going to win that.
joe rogan
I get the strategy, though, where they want people to fight exciting fights.
They don't want anybody to hold their energy, hold back until the second round.
I get that.
That makes sense.
yves edwards
Yeah, but at the same time, if one guy presses the action in the first, everybody's...
I mean, you gotta go.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's true.
I don't know.
yves edwards
But it's...
See, that's the only problem with that is if commissions would allow three rounds...
joe rogan
Yeah.
yves edwards
I mean, what's an extra round?
It's weird how sometimes these people who don't do it and they say they're concerned for your safety, they're like, we're fighting.
We already agreed to do this.
You know what I mean?
joe rogan
I know.
The worst thing that could happen today is a fight.
yves edwards
Yeah.
joe rogan
I think you're worried about someone's safety.
Yeah, it's funny.
I don't know, man.
I just think that twice a night, when you talk to neurologists in particular, they think it's very dangerous.
Because they think repeated concussions, like one of the things about football that they're really concerned with was guys that get head injuries early in the game, they sit on the bench for a quarter and then jump back in.
yves edwards
Yeah.
joe rogan
They're worried about that.
They're worried about repeated concussions in one day.
yves edwards
I get that.
And I also think where football is concerned, again, I love football.
I still like to watch the sport.
And I have nothing against that.
As long as the players have the information, you're making a choice.
It's freedom.
joe rogan
Now, today, yeah.
Bo Jackson said he wouldn't let his kids play.
yves edwards
Yeah.
Well...
joe rogan
Which is really interesting.
yves edwards
Yeah.
joe rogan
He didn't know.
He said no one knew back then.
yves edwards
Yeah, no one...
I mean, it's like, well, yeah.
joe rogan
They thought you were wearing a helmet.
You're going to be fine.
yves edwards
See, that's the thing about...
That's where I think the difference between fighting and the NFL and football happens is because, like, if I gave you a basketball and I stood here and I said, throw that in my head as hard as you can, as hard as you want, right?
As hard as you can.
I don't think you're going to try to smash me in the head with the basketball.
But if I put on a helmet, you're going to be more willing to throw it harder.
But it's like, that really doesn't change anything.
It's now that this perceived defense protection, there's just a barrier, but I'm still getting that concussive force of you throwing that basketball in my head, right?
But when you take football, you're not taking just a punch, traveling at like 20, 30 miles an hour from like two feet away, hitting somebody.
Yes, it's repeated, but people don't take really more than 60 punches in a fight.
Sometimes they do.
Football is like you're slamming into each other and we're talking about 250 pound men at full speed at 15 to 20 miles an hour.
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Boom!
yves edwards
Boom!
joe rogan
And then they're both running at each other.
yves edwards
Yeah, like a head-on collision.
joe rogan
The impact's insane.
yves edwards
That's so different.
I don't say don't play the sport.
Just make sure the information's out there.
Let the people make their choice.
joe rogan
I wonder if there's ever going to be anything they can do to figure out how to protect the brain.
I mean, there's got to be a way that they can figure out how to...
Well, maybe not.
I mean, your brain's sloshing around inside there.
Yeah.
yves edwards
Like, they have a way.
Like...
Give us the information and let you decide whether you want to put your brain at risk or not.
You know what I mean?
What I like...
The thing about the PFL, because when you get to the playoffs, those two fights in one night, I fought in tournaments.
You knew about boxers being punchy and all that.
I knew that.
But...
I don't know.
There's a thing about competing.
There's a passion about competing.
And having that tournament opportunity, that's a lot of fun.
A lot of these young guys, a lot of these young fighters, they didn't get the chance to fight in tournaments because tournaments kind of ended recently.
The Pride tournaments were awesome.
And then, of course, back then, there was a lot of tournaments.
The UFC had the tournament originally.
So that's a whole lot of fun.
But with the PFL season, what I like about it is there's a bunch of different storylines that happens.
You're fighting to gain points to get into the playoffs.
So there are two regular season fights.
And the first regular season fight, you...
You know where everybody's sitting at zero.
But then you come in the second.
Of course, everybody wants to win their fight.
Everybody wants to win as soon as possible to get the maximum amount of points.
But then when you come into the second fight, then everybody's like, okay, you're looking at the numbers.
I need this.
I need this.
You're concerned.
And then you're watching throughout the night to figure out who's got to do what.
joe rogan
Well, explain that to people that don't understand what we're talking about because you guys have a score system.
yves edwards
We have a scoring system.
So in the Professional Fighters League, a win, you have to win.
We have a seating for the playoffs.
So the top eight fighters in the male weight classes and the women are only eight.
So the top four fighters get into the playoffs, right?
And you get in by point standings.
So you get a draw.
That's one point for each fighter.
You get a win.
That's three points.
But you get a win by stoppage in the third round.
That's four points.
Win by stoppage in the second.
Five.
Win by stoppage in the first.
Six.
So you try to accrue points.
Accumulate points so that when we get to the playoffs, you're seated in the top eight.
And I'm talking about the men.
Just remember that the women are four in the playoffs.
But when you get seated for the top eight, and then you fight the quarterfinal and semifinal fight on the same night, and the winners...
From those nights, the winners in the semifinals go to the championships, and that's on New Year's Eve, and that's for a million dollars.
So you get three fights for a million dollars.
joe rogan
That's pretty fucking good.
yves edwards
That's really good.
So I wish this tournament was around when I was...
I'm like, yeah, I want to do that.
I want to win a million dollars.
joe rogan
So how many fighters got a million?
yves edwards
Six.
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Wow.
yves edwards
Six fighters got a million dollars last year.
joe rogan
There it is.
Six champions, a million dollars each.
yves edwards
Yeah, and this year I'll be six millionaires again.
The way that the season plays out, like I said, you fight the first round of the regular season.
When you come in, we're going into the second round of the regular season now.
So on July 11th, Thursday night, we're going to be in Atlantic City.
We have the women, and we have the women 155-pounders, and then we have the men welterweights.
And...
So, this is a fight that I'm really excited about, right?
Magomed, Magomed Karamov, he won last season, but then Chris Curtis came into the PFL, and he won his first fight.
Magomed won his first fight, got six points.
Chris Curtis got four points, got a third round stoppage, and he called out Magomed Karamov.
He called out the champion from last year, so he wants to go into this next fight fighting the champion.
I'm like, why would you do that?
Because if you lose that, you're not making it into playoffs.
You lose your opportunity in a million dollars.
But like that bravado of being a fighter and wanting, you know, you want to knock the best guy off, right?
You always want the best guy.
But to call him out in a fashion where it threatens your potential, like he has to perform.
He has to perform now.
That fight really interests me because Magomed Karamov is really good.
He can do everything.
He's one of those guys who doesn't look like his body type.
He doesn't look like the kind of guy who will smash you, but he will.
Did you see Ray Cooper last year?
joe rogan
Ray Cooper II. Ray Cooper II. That's what's crazy is that Jake Shields fought his dad.
yves edwards
And him.
joe rogan
And him.
And fought him twice.
That was what was kind of fucked up.
I watched both those fights.
I was like, damn, they're making Jake Shields fight this dude again.
yves edwards
They didn't make him do it.
joe rogan
I know they didn't make him do it, but he fucked Jake up and then he fucked him up again a couple months later.
yves edwards
Yeah.
joe rogan
How many months later was it?
Like three or four months?
yves edwards
Like three months.
joe rogan
Yeah.
yves edwards
The seeding.
joe rogan
That's rough.
But a bad KO like that from the same guy, and then you fight a...
I mean, he didn't have any answers for that, dude.
Like, to fight a guy like Ray, who is, I believe he was state champion Hawaiian wrestler, right?
And who does he have some fucking heavy hands?
yves edwards
He's like the Mike Tyson of, like...
Welterweight.
joe rogan
And for welterweight, he's fairly short.
He's like 5'7".
He just throws fucking bricks.
Well, so does John Howard, though.
John Howard's got some fucking bombs in his hands.
yves edwards
Yeah, I like that fight, too.
joe rogan
Yeah, very interesting fight.
yves edwards
That's a very good fight.
Now, with that fight, because Ray hits a lot, John Howard does have some bombs in his hands.
I think Ray has more power though.
I feel like Howard's going to have to stick and move, use those leg kicks and try to slow him down.
You can't go out there trying to take Ray Cooper out early.
joe rogan
John's been around a long time too.
John has had a long career.
How old is John now?
yves edwards
I think John is probably like 33 now.
joe rogan
He's at least.
Maybe 35. He was in the UFC a long time ago.
jamie vernon
Mine is 36. Oh, wow.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Yeah.
And he's been in some crazy wars, you know?
yves edwards
He's been in some wars.
He just got his black belt.
And that's the only guy who beat Ray Cooper last season.
You know, Magmar Karamoff beat him by submission.
Yeah.
I think that's the best option for a lot of guys facing him because he has so much power.
joe rogan
Now, all these are on NBC Sports?
Is that what they're doing?
ESPN2. ESPN2 now?
yves edwards
ESPN2 and ESPN+. Oh, okay.
joe rogan
Well, that's right.
That's new to this year, right?
yves edwards
That's new to this year.
That's very exciting.
joe rogan
That's very exciting.
So ESPN +, which also has the UFC, and put it on ESPN as well.
That's great.
yves edwards
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's so good, man, that ESPN is stepping into MMA like this.
I love it.
yves edwards
It's huge because I thought this last year when the UFC signed with ESPN, I was like, that's a great thing because a lot of times the UFC... When fight fans watch the UFC, they only think of the UFC as mixed martial arts.
I'm sorry, they think of mixed martial arts as the UFC. Right.
You know, people ask, do you train UFC? You know what I mean?
Right, right.
But ESPN, being the worldwide leader in sports, I've seen highlights on ESPN from Ryzen, from Japan, from ONE, from some small promotions.
And it's like, that helps the sport grow.
That helps people recognize that there's not only one avenue for I like there being a lot more options for guys where the money's concerned.
joe rogan
I'm very happy about that.
I mean, that's how they lured Sage over to 1FC and also Eddie Alvarez and Mighty Mouse, you know?
yves edwards
Yeah.
joe rogan
But it's a different world when there's no weight cutting.
I am such a giant fan of that know what weight cutting deal, the way they're doing it over at 1FC. Okay, so what exactly are they doing?
Hydration tests.
yves edwards
And how far out before the fight?
joe rogan
I don't know.
I don't know how they're doing it, but what it was explained to me is they essentially say if you were the 170 pound champion, they bump you up to like 185. They're like, look, you're going to fight 185 now.
There's no weight cutting.
We're going to test you.
We're going to test your weight.
We're going to test your hydration.
We're going to know what your real weight is.
So this is your real weight.
Your real weight is 185 pounds.
You're dropping 15 pounds of water to get to 170, but we both know that when you get into that octagon, you're going to be 185 pounds.
So let's just cut the shit and have you never drop down to 170 and just say you're a 185-pound fighter, which is what they...
I mean, you stand next to guys like Kamaru Usman, you're like, how are you 170?
That doesn't make any sense.
Or Yoel, who's the craziest version.
Yoel is so big.
He's so big.
His fucking neck starts at the top of his head.
And his shoulders, they meet the traps in the middle.
You know, it's like, days, days, days.
He's just this mammoth of a man.
And the idea that that guy is 185 pounds is bananas.
yves edwards
Tim, Tebow, those kinds of guys.
And these guys are still muscular the entire time.
joe rogan
I don't know how Gleason did it all those years.
Gleason was walking around well over 190 and getting down to 155. Not even, man.
yves edwards
Like, I'd see T-Bow in the gym, and I was like, T-Bow, what are you wearing right now?
He's like, oh, my friend, 190, 195. Like, get on the scale.
No, no, no.
Like, he's not doing that, you know?
He's easy, like, 205, 210. Really?
joe rogan
205, 210, you would get down to 155?
yves edwards
So big.
joe rogan
How did he do it?
yves edwards
I don't know.
joe rogan
Sheer force of will?
yves edwards
Yeah, so I've seen him at weight cuts just like laid out.
Like we fought on a couple of cards together also, you know, and he's just like laid out and he has to be carried out of the room, you know.
Of course, you have to walk up to the scale on your own.
joe rogan
That's so insane that you let a guy do that and then they fight a day later.
yves edwards
Yeah, the next day.
But you wouldn't let somebody recover from the flu.
Like, say, oh, I feel better.
The temperature's down.
You wouldn't let them fight the next day.
Right.
joe rogan
They'd probably be healthier.
yves edwards
Yeah.
Much healthier.
I don't know.
joe rogan
It's the dumbest thing in all combat sports.
yves edwards
Weight cut.
joe rogan
Yeah.
It could be avoided.
yves edwards
So you think there's no...
Because I haven't been in the position, I don't know how you work the system with the 1FC system.
joe rogan
I would like to talk to Chautry.
Chautry is the one who set it all up.
I mean, it's his organization.
And I think he's the leader in terms of safety and also fairness.
Because I think what weight cutting is...
I mean, look, everybody's doing it.
So it's not like everybody is ethically compromised.
But I think it's cheating.
I think it's legal cheating.
That's what I think it is.
If you're pretending you weigh 125 pounds like Mighty Mouse does, he doesn't really weigh 125.
He weighs like 140.
Yeah.
140 something.
You know, that's what he really weighs.
And the thing is, when he's fighting over in 1FC, those are the guys he's actually fighting.
He's fighting guys his size.
So the guys that really did a great job of cutting weight, they do have a significant advantage once they get into that octagon.
But I don't think that's a fair advantage.
yves edwards
There's some guys that do it really well, too.
joe rogan
Yeah.
yves edwards
Really well.
joe rogan
Some guys are excellent at it.
Yeah.
Yoel, he's excellent.
Even though he's missed a couple of times.
Those guys, the advantage is so spectacular.
yves edwards
How does James Vick make 155?
joe rogan
That's a good point.
He's a tall fella.
yves edwards
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
There's a lot of those guys.
Paul Felder.
Paul Felder's a fucking gorilla.
How does he get down to 155?
He's so thick.
yves edwards
Yeah.
He's broad, man.
I remember when Dustin was making 145. Crazy.
joe rogan
He looks like he's having a hard time making 155 now.
But look, man, the difference between him at 45 and 55 is pretty significant.
yves edwards
So, with Dustin, like, I'm kind of biased because he's one of my best friends, right?
joe rogan
Of course.
yves edwards
But you see how Max dominated a lot of guys at 45. And then, you know, you talk about Max is like, now he's the greatest.
Now he's the greatest at 145. He may be the GOAT. He may be greater than Jose Aldo.
Like, that's an argument people can make.
joe rogan
Well, he beat him twice.
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Right.
joe rogan
Although he beat him later in his career.
yves edwards
His career, right.
joe rogan
Jose's not 50 years old.
He was in his early 30s.
yves edwards
Yeah.
And he was still the number one guy.
He was still dominating everybody else.
joe rogan
Yep.
yves edwards
Except Connor.
But, like...
The way Max beat those guys.
Beat Ortega.
Beat Jose twice.
And then Dustin's having these tough fights.
He's fighting these same guys.
He's fighting Gage.
He's fighting Eddie.
He's winning them.
He's convincingly winning them.
But when he fights Max...
Like, Dustin's fight is the same fight that he had with Gaethje as far as competitiveness, right?
Max was still in there, but Dustin wins these.
But this is where my bias kicks in.
I'm like, give that man some credit, man.
I mean, I know everybody loves Dustin.
I mean, not everybody, but people love Dustin.
They appreciate the way he fights.
They appreciate his style.
But I'm like, man, he's taken out champions.
He's taken out champions.
Gaethje was a champion.
He was in World Series, but he was a champion.
He took out Eddie, champion.
Max, champion.
He's like, all these guys, he's beating Sergio Pettis, I mean, Anthony Pettis, champion.
He's just champion after champion.
joe rogan
He also rises to the occasion.
He fought better against Max than any other fight he ever fought in his career.
yves edwards
That's the thing about him, though.
He just...
He's like the cream, you know?
He rises.
That's why his nickname is the diamond, you know?
joe rogan
What do you think happens when he fights Khabib?
yves edwards
Yeah, that's the one.
That's the fight.
That's the fight.
I mean, Khabib is the guy.
Khabib is definitely the guy.
And I was talking to him about it.
So, I started a new podcast.
What's it called?
Sup Fam.
joe rogan
Sup Fam?
yves edwards
Sup Fam.
joe rogan
Sup, fam, with Eve Edwards.
yves edwards
Yeah, I know.
I just released it today.
It's on my YouTube.
joe rogan
It just started today?
yves edwards
Yeah, well, I just released the first episode today.
Oh, all right.
And Dustin's my first guest.
joe rogan
Oh, perfect.
yves edwards
So I was out there with him last week, and we were just hanging out, and we talked about some of that, but what do I think happens?
This is a tough fight.
It's the toughest fight everybody's going to get, right?
I absolutely understand and agree that Khabib should be going in as the favorite.
Of course, I want Dustin to win this fight.
Every round starts on defeat.
Dustin's got to make smart moves every single time because when Khabib takes him down, it's...
It's virtually impossible to get back to your feet, right?
And that's where Khabib is going to want this fight to happen.
Dustin's going to have his opportunities, but is he going to be able to stop that wrestling consistently enough to make this fight happen where it's best for him?
And that's the hardest thing.
He's got a good training camp.
He's got really good people there with him.
He's got Mike Brown there.
You know who I want to get with him?
Gregor Gillespie.
I want Gregor Gillespie to get with Dustin and just get on top of him for the next two months.
joe rogan
Just feel that high-level wrestling.
yves edwards
Yeah.
joe rogan
Smashing pressure.
yves edwards
Just that pressure, pressure, pressure, and get comfortable working out of it, working under there, protecting yourself, doing that.
joe rogan
Would he be interested?
I mean, he might fight him down the road, though.
yves edwards
It's possible, right?
But Tyron and Robbie trained together a long time ago.
joe rogan
That's true.
Yeah, I mean, that's how you get better.
yves edwards
Yeah.
It's one of those things where it's like...
Sometimes you've got to trade with a potential rival.
It's not an enemy, but iron sharpens iron.
Sometimes you have to go with somebody that's a possible matchup in the future.
joe rogan
Especially if you're going to fight a guy who has that same style.
I think you nailed it too because Gregor Gillespie is probably, when you get past Khabib, the scariest wrestler in the division.
yves edwards
Yeah.
joe rogan
I mean, he's a guy that gets on top of people and just smashes them.
yves edwards
And he's relentless with his wrestling also.
He's a guy who's not going to get tired.
He's going to put that pressure on you.
He's going to come forward.
And once he gets a hold of you, if you don't use perfect technique to escape and get that distance back, he's just going to chain wrestle and chain wrestle.
There's no stopping until you're down.
Until he scores his two, the takedown is still happening.
joe rogan
Yeah, he's got some fucking relentless strength and conditioning sessions too that he puts on his Instagram.
You watch it and you go, oh, this is why this guy doesn't get tired.
Fuck.
yves edwards
That guy doesn't get tired because he's obsessed.
joe rogan
Yeah.
yves edwards
Like, he runs like five minute miles.
joe rogan
Does he really?
yves edwards
Like, he'll run like six of them.
joe rogan
Jesus Christ.
yves edwards
Like, he will run...
Like, he'll run eight miles and he'll keep the ball under six minutes.
joe rogan
So he'll run six miles and a half an hour?
yves edwards
Yeah.
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Fuck.
yves edwards
He can do that.
unidentified
Fuck, man.
yves edwards
Like, he's crazy.
joe rogan
Wow, that's crazy.
yves edwards
He's crazy obsessed.
joe rogan
That's high-level marathon pace, right?
yves edwards
Yeah.
Like, people don't know some of the things about these guys, like...
There was a point where training with these guys, I was just like, alright, man, I'm too old to be doing that.
Like, I can't.
I just can't keep up with that.
You know what I mean?
And that was one of them, man.
Gregor, like, we were on this Nike running app together.
And, like, I had to delete him off my thing because I was getting, like, discouraged.
Like, I'm not trying to beat that.
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You know?
joe rogan
That's hilarious.
yves edwards
Like, for real.
joe rogan
You should go fishing with him.
I want to go fishing with that dude.
yves edwards
I want to take him fishing in the Bahamas.
joe rogan
Oh, that's a good spot, right?
yves edwards
Yeah.
And line fishing.
Not like with the rod.
We fish a lot of line fishing.
joe rogan
Oh, okay.
Just with your hands?
yves edwards
Yeah.
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's wild when you feel the fish on the line.
yves edwards
Oh, and you're just fighting and pulling.
I love that.
It's fun.
I mean, there's some fish, like, I'm not pulling up a grouper like that, you know?
joe rogan
Now, why do you prefer line fishing with your hands?
Just because it's the old school way?
yves edwards
Just because it's the way I grew up.
I knew it, you know?
Like, when we came, like, my cousin I told you about, who, you know, free dives, like, he'll spearfish.
So, I remember once, I was a little kid, and he was out with his dad, he was spearfishing, and he missed the fish, and he smacked the turtle.
joe rogan
Oh, I thought you were going to say his hand.
yves edwards
No, no.
His spear hit a turtle.
The turtle took off with his spear.
joe rogan
Oh, no.
Stuck in him?
yves edwards
Yeah.
I mean, it's potentially some turtle out there in the ocean right now.
The spear is stuck in him.
This is like 30 years ago.
Those things live forever.
joe rogan
They do live forever.
I wonder if it survived.
It calcified over the spear point.
yves edwards
Yeah.
joe rogan
I've never been spear fishing, but it looks like a hell of a lot of fun.
yves edwards
I have...
I've never spearfished, like, inside...
You know, I play with them on land.
And, of course, it's with the...
What's that?
The rubber, you know, kind of like a slingshot?
joe rogan
The bungee cord.
yves edwards
Yeah, the bungee cord.
So that one was cool.
But, of course, they have the guns.
I would like to use a spear gun.
But, like, I'm...
I don't know.
You kind of have to earn that right, I feel.
unidentified
Yeah?
yves edwards
I got to go free diving with Curly and do some of that first.
joe rogan
What's the longest you think you can hold your breath underwater?
yves edwards
So we used to have this thing as a kid where I was, where we'd say we tried to blow the pool.
And I can swim an Olympic level.
Well, I have swam an Olympic length pool staying underwater.
joe rogan
Right, but how long does it take?
yves edwards
15 seconds?
Nah, that probably took me like 40, 45 seconds.
joe rogan
And then also you're swimming.
yves edwards
Yeah, you're exerting.
joe rogan
Yeah.
yves edwards
But I'm telling you, he goes down and he's under the water for easily three minutes.
joe rogan
You know who's supposed to be insane at that?
It's Egan.
Egan anyway?
yves edwards
I heard about that.
joe rogan
I heard he gave you six minutes, seven minutes.
yves edwards
Yeah.
It's like, I don't know, maybe it's from sucking up a choke.
joe rogan
I think it's just practice.
I think you just practice freediving.
And Hawaiians, they do that crazy workout.
There was a member of one of the countdown shows when BJ was supposed to be fighting George St. Pierre.
They had him doing his strength and conditioning in the water where he would dive underwater and pick up a rock and move it and drop it and swim to the surface and dive down again and pick up the rock, like a big-ass rock, and move it.
And that was part of his strength and conditioning.
yves edwards
I was good with my cardio.
There were times when I gassed.
When punches are coming at you, a lot of people blink.
A lot of people do that.
So that was my thing.
I keep my eyes open a long time.
You know what I mean?
So that whole steer cam thing, that kind of comes from that.
I just keep my eyes open, not blinking.
Those guys who do those underwater things, how do you think that relates to...
I understand you can hold your breath longer, but how do you think that relates to cardio?
Because your muscle's not working except to hold.
joe rogan
You carry the rock.
Well, the idea is doing the rock thing, like moving and carrying the rock while you're underwater.
I don't know, man.
I don't know enough about it.
But I know I had Laird Hamilton on recently.
He's a big-time surfer.
And one of the things that he's doing now, he has this whole program where they're doing weights in the water.
So they're doing like heavy dumbbells, and they'll bring them to the bottom of the water.
And you have to take the dumbbell, swim with it to the top, catch a breath of air, and then you go back down again.
And there's also doing some where they're taking like a 70-pound dumbbell, you hold it to your chest, and you're swimming through the water while you're trying to carry this dumbbell.
And, you know, extremely difficult to do.
The thing is...
How much is that applicable to fighting?
That's what I don't know.
Because I remember when I was like real heavily into jiu-jitsu at one point in time, I didn't do any striking for like a whole year.
I didn't even hit pads.
But I was in really good jiu-jitsu shape.
I was rolling a lot.
And then I went to hit pads.
I was like, God damn it, why am I gassing out so quick?
This is crazy.
yves edwards
It's a different shape, right?
joe rogan
Yeah, it's a different shape.
yves edwards
I'm always concerned about that or curious about that anyway because of all those different aspects of it.
There are times when you're grabbing onto something, holding onto something, and then you get back to your feet and all that lactic acid goes into your arms But you still feel...
Your conditioning feels good, but you just feel heavy.
But there's those times also when you're grappling, and then you get back to your feet, and then it's like your arms don't feel tired, but it's like...
It feels...
I don't know.
Is it because you're holding your breath?
And maybe that's what going on in the water is for?
joe rogan
I don't know.
You know, the people that trained BJ in the prime of his career was Marv Berinovich.
Do you remember that?
yves edwards
Yeah, I remember that name.
joe rogan
They had these ridiculous plyometric drills they had him doing.
And their attitude...
And Nick Kurson is one of their protégés.
And he still sort of has the same philosophy.
Their attitude is that...
You already know how to fight.
Like, you're already a skillful fighter.
When you get to the UFC, if you have 8 weeks to get ready for a fight or 12 weeks to get ready for a fight, the most important thing is your gas tank.
And that you should concentrate on these fucking preposterous plyometric drills and strength and conditioning drills and just get your body so you have the biggest fucking gas tank possible.
And then...
skills you just drill like that shouldn't have any any effect like cardio wise like if you're doing drills as far as like striking grappling combination drills or whatever you're doing like those things should almost be secondary to strength and conditioning yeah that's I kind of agree with that.
yves edwards
I mean, there's a point where, yeah, you can always improve technique-wise.
joe rogan
But are you going to do that in an eight-week camp?
yves edwards
Right.
No, you do that in your downtime.
You do that when you're not in camp.
When camp comes, it's all about being ready to fight for as long as you need to, as hard as you can.
joe rogan
And I think their attitude also is that this way you're doing way less sparring, way less opportunity to get hurt.
And mostly it's these crazy plyo drills, box jumps and all this crazy shit, medicine ball stuff, all this stuff where you just explode, explode, explode, explode, explode.
Everything is just go, go, go, go, go, so that your body's just used to that.
So that when you get into a fight, your body has this insane gas tank.
And they might, I mean, there's something to it, because those were BJ's best days.
The Sean Shirk fight, the Diego Sanchez fight.
That was prime BJ Penn when he was the motherfucker of motherfuckers.
That was what was up.
I mean, he was training with the Marinovichs.
yves edwards
Did you see that video of him beating up the bouncer recently?
unidentified
Sad.
joe rogan
That's sad.
He's obviously having a real tough time, man.
yves edwards
I didn't...
I just saw the video.
I don't know how it happened.
I don't know what's...
joe rogan
Yeah, he's just inside control with flip-flops on.
yves edwards
Yeah, yeah.
But here's my thing.
I don't know the situation that led to it.
I only saw that he's on top of the guy.
And I'm like, this is in Hawaii.
Who picks a fight with BJ Penn in Hawaii?
Or who even steps to BJ Penn in Hawaii?
I mean, I understand.
I don't know the situation.
If it's like, BJ, you gotta leave and he's not listening, you try to get BJ's friends to go.
Talk to your guy, man.
Get him out of here.
But you don't go toe-to-toe with BJ Penn, right?
joe rogan
Seems stupid.
yves edwards
It's just a bad choice.
joe rogan
I don't get it.
Hey, did Max Holloway, is he the one who started the bottle cap challenge?
Do we know that for a fact?
yves edwards
He was the first one I saw.
joe rogan
I'm so tired of seeing people kick bottle caps off.
jamie vernon
I was going to say, there's something different about his is that the cap stayed on the bottle.
Everyone else was just kicking the cap off.
yves edwards
I think that was just coincidental.
jamie vernon
I know, but that might be to the bottle of Tito's I think that he used, but that's a little more impressive than some of the other people just knocking it off.
Slightly, slightly, but it's not that big of a deal either.
joe rogan
Listen, there's a reason why so many people are doing it.
It's not that hard.
It's just not that hard.
You throw a wheel kick like this.
You just get someone to hold it.
You get someone to hold it tight, and the wheel kick goes like this.
And you have the bottle cap barely on, so the bottle cap is like this.
And you just make sure you throw a wheel kick like that.
jamie vernon
But you don't knock it off.
Everyone else knocked it off.
He kept it on.
joe rogan
Well, I think people using water bottle caps, which have a shallow set of grooves, whereas the bottle that he used has a deeper groove.
jamie vernon
Would it be more impressive if they showed the whole bottle and there's not someone holding it, and you only grazed it?
joe rogan
I guess.
jamie vernon
I guess.
joe rogan
To me, I've never even thought once about doing it.
I know how to throw a wheel kick.
I'm not going to do it.
It seems silly to me.
Like with Jason Statham's doing it.
When John Mayer did it, the fucking shark was jumped.
yves edwards
But that's what Max challenged, wasn't it?
joe rogan
That assassin.
yves edwards
I think Max called him out on it.
joe rogan
He did he?
He called out John Mayer?
Why?
It's like, why does Justin Bieber want to fight Tom Cruise?
There's so many questions.
yves edwards
I would watch it.
I would watch it.
joe rogan
I think Tom Cruise will fuck him up with all those crazy voodoo superpowers that he has that he got from Scientology.
yves edwards
And the aliens.
joe rogan
And belief in himself.
yves edwards
Man, the fights last weekend.
joe rogan
Yeah.
yves edwards
Right?
So I didn't want to watch them.
I was in Texas and I called.
There's this ice cream and they were in Austin.
I was like, they never have it.
And they had it one time.
I drove from Houston to Austin to get some ice cream.
unidentified
Really?
yves edwards
Yeah.
joe rogan
You drove from Houston to Austin?
That's like three hours.
yves edwards
Yeah.
joe rogan
You drove three hours for ice cream.
yves edwards
I did.
joe rogan
Oh my god, you're embracing the fatness.
yves edwards
It was worth it, man.
joe rogan
No, you're making all these jokes about your weight.
You're like getting ready for people to see you in the later stage James Toney career.
Remember?
yves edwards
Yup.
I don't want to be James Toney.
I want to still be able to take off my shirt, but man, I had to go get it.
Oh, wow.
But I did watch the fights.
And I watched the main card.
joe rogan
Francis is fucking terrifying.
yves edwards
Right?
joe rogan
He's fucking terrifying.
yves edwards
Like when JDS missed.
joe rogan
Yeah.
yves edwards
You can't make mistakes against him because you take one and that could be it.
joe rogan
Well, I felt like JDS was doing pretty good in the beginning with the leg kicks.
That's what you need to do with Francis.
You need to keep moving and kick those legs.
It'd be interesting to see if...
Well, I mean, obviously Alistair was the most elite striker.
He's the most decorated striker in the whole division.
And one of the most decorated strikers ever.
And Francis still nuked him.
He just nukes guys.
yves edwards
All he has to do is hit you, man.
joe rogan
Crazy.
yves edwards
You saw...
I can't say his last name.
Champion Dalla is his nickname.
He fought on the undercard.
I think he was Cameroonian also.
joe rogan
I didn't see the undercard.
The only thing I saw was the Francis fight.
yves edwards
This guy looks like if you take Tyron Woodley and made him bigger, stronger, faster.
unidentified
What?
joe rogan
What's his name?
yves edwards
I don't know his last name.
I can't pronounce it.
joe rogan
Is he a new acquiree?
yves edwards
I think this was his debut.
Honestly, I would like to see him in Alonzo Mennefeel at some point.
They both look.
It would be like watching two G.I. Joe figures.
Just getting in there and going to town.
joe rogan
Do you know that heavyweight that fights in one FC? They call him the Panther.
He just did the bottle cap challenge too.
He did a hook kick and then a wheel kick with a different leg.
No.
He's this dude who is another one of those preposterous looking fellas that just unbelievably jacked.
And a heavyweight.
Okay, here it is.
We're going to see the highlight.
yves edwards
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Oh my god, he's fast.
Yeah, I see what you're saying.
yves edwards
And he's just so big and powerful.
This is light heavyweight.
joe rogan
Light heavyweight.
Oh, that's interesting because this fucking weight class needs some new blood, that's for sure.
I mean, yep, that's a wrap.
Quick.
Damn.
yves edwards
I'm like, man, you want to come make a million dollars?
joe rogan
How many contracts, I mean, these contracts, how many fights do they put them under?
yves edwards
Just for the year?
So to get to the million, it's five fights.
joe rogan
And if you win, do you have to stay in the PFL for a certain amount of time?
yves edwards
You do not have to stay.
Actually, when it comes to that, I don't know the details on champions, but I know that the semifinalists have returned.
So I haven't read everyone's contract or anyone's contract, really.
But thinking that the semifinalists returned, I don't know if there's a right to first refusal in the contract.
joe rogan
Do you like the whole point scoring format thing?
Do you think it's a good added element?
yves edwards
I like it.
And not necessarily because it changes how people fight.
Fighting in this organization, I believe, you're a little more loose.
You know what I mean?
You show up and you know you have to win.
You try to win and you try to win.
You don't just try to get the W. There's a lot of fights sometimes when you're on the bubble and you're fighting very cautious.
I feel like with this rule set, you get to just be yourself out there.
You always want to win.
You're always going to fight to win, but you don't necessarily change your style to play the rules.
You're just going to fight the way you fight.
joe rogan
The only thing that concerns me is that it's a little complicated.
Paying attention to all the...
yves edwards
For the fans?
joe rogan
Yeah, the points and all that jazz.
yves edwards
So, I understand why you would say that, but if you're watching the broadcast, you got me, Sean, Randy behind the desk, and we're trying to keep people updated with the points and how that works, and it's really not that hard.
joe rogan
Who's Sean?
yves edwards
Sean O'Connell.
joe rogan
Oh, so he's doing commentary now.
yves edwards
So he's doing commentary now.
joe rogan
He was a radio guy, right?
yves edwards
Yeah, he was a radio guy on Sirius.
joe rogan
Like a sports radio guy.
yves edwards
I think he still has that program.
joe rogan
Good for him.
yves edwards
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's amazing.
And now he's a millionaire.
yves edwards
He's a millionaire and he's diversified his portfolio.
joe rogan
And he retired.
yves edwards
He retired from fighting.
And now he's in the booth with Randy and I. That's amazing.
And I think he's a pretty good play-by-play guy.
Especially as a former fighter.
Not a lot of play-by-play guys are former fighters.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's right.
It's usually color.
And he fought well in the UFC, too.
He's a tough guy.
yves edwards
Yeah, I mean, and it's weird.
I always make fun of him.
I always tell him, like, you fight like Homer Simpson, but your fight IQ is higher.
joe rogan
Why do you say it fights like Homer Simpson?
yves edwards
Because he takes so many shots, man.
He just stands in front of you and just trades punches.
But he had to use his brain to beat Vinny.
You know what I mean?
joe rogan
Yeah.
yves edwards
Because if Vinny takes you down and gets on top, he's going to grind himself to a submission.
joe rogan
Yeah.
yves edwards
But with Sean, he was, you know, he backed away from the, because all of his other fights all season were the Homer Simpson fights, you know?
Like, he got hit sometimes, but he just came back and bombed on you and knocked everybody out.
He lost every first round that he fought.
One of them, he lost the entire fight.
But every other fight that he fought, he lost the first round and then came back and just bombed on guys.
Even with Vinny, he lost the first round.
But as far as the points go with that, you have us communicating how the points work.
I remember being in your position before the season started thinking, oh, the points thing is, it's going to be weird.
It's going to throw people off.
But legit, you see that play out one time, it's like, oh, it's simple.
It makes sense.
You know, you start watching guys like, so this next round of fights coming up on the 11th and on the 25th and August 8th.
We have the different weight, two weight classes per show, right?
And...
So we start with the women's lightweights and the welterweights.
Then we have the featherweights and the men's lightweights.
And then we have the light heavies and the heavies.
So on those dates.
But when you think about the points, you understand that these guys are on the bubble.
You're watching it like the NFL playoffs when the last two weeks of the playoffs is like, this guy needs to beat this guy.
But this guy has to finish before this time.
If he can get this win in the second round in less than two and a half minutes...
Then he's in the playoffs.
But if it goes past two and a half, he's out.
Interesting.
But we're communicating that through each fight, especially in this second round of the regular season.
But you're watching that because these guys know that also.
unidentified
Right, right, right.
yves edwards
It's weird because in a fight, you're not thinking about anything else but the guy in front of you.
But you go in there with that mentality, that's already on the board.
There's a pin in that.
You don't have to think about it consciously, but it's in your subconscious at some point.
You play to that mentality.
But even if you get out of that, if you get beyond that, then you're still...
There's the pride thing.
joe rogan
And this is a format that didn't exist with the PFL. Or with the World Series.
World Series of Fighting, rather.
yves edwards
No.
joe rogan
This is a new format.
yves edwards
This is a new format.
joe rogan
So that's why they changed the name.
yves edwards
They changed the name.
They changed the name just before they introduced this format.
But I believe that the name was changed going into this format.
I think they had one event as the Professional Fighters League without this seasonal format.
joe rogan
I don't know, man.
I might be too old school.
yves edwards
You might be too old school, but if you say that, you gotta try it.
You're a fight fan.
And I promise you, as a fight fan, you're gonna appreciate it.
joe rogan
Okay, tell me what card to watch.
What's a good upcoming card?
yves edwards
The next card is a real one because besides the women, you got Kayla Harrison, the judo two-time Olympia.
joe rogan
She's a beast.
yves edwards
Right?
joe rogan
She's a beast.
yves edwards
She's a beast, but she needs to get a finish to guarantee herself a playoff spot because she fought her last fight.
She fought her toughest opponent who took her to a decision.
She won the fight convincingly, but she couldn't get herself a stoppage.
Sarah Kaufman is...
Sarah Kaufman is sitting at the top of the women's rankings with a finish.
There are some really good women out there too.
There are these two kickboxers.
They fought each other last time.
Bobby Joe DL and Jenna Fabian.
They're both built like European kickboxers.
They're tall, lanky, long women.
And they're legit good kickboxers.
They went toe-to-toe at each other.
They're fighting this week.
They're not fighting each other.
Jenna Fabian needs a W to get into the playoffs.
So those fights are good.
And then, of course, we have the welterweights.
We're talking about Magomed, Magomed Karamov, and Chris Curtis.
I don't know if you know Chris Curtis.
He was on...
I think he was LFA champion or RFA champion.
And he was on Contenders.
He won his fight in Contenders.
I don't know why he didn't get a contract.
But he's really, really good.
He's one of those guys.
He's been training with...
Henderson and those guys for a long time.
Now he's in Vegas with Extreme Couture there.
And then the John Howard-Ray Cooper fight.
As a fight fan, I know you appreciate that.
joe rogan
Excellent fight.
So when is that?
yves edwards
That is on July 11th.
That's next Thursday.
Next Thursday.
And plus.
joe rogan
Beautiful.
Yeah, I'm around.
I'm going to watch that fight.
That sounds good.
yves edwards
I'm legit.
When we sit down for the broadcast, I'm texting you.
joe rogan
Okay.
You got it.
yves edwards
If you don't respond, I'm going to put you on blast on television.
joe rogan
I'll text you back, I promise.
yves edwards
This guy does, like on ESPN +, we're on ESPN +, and Joe Rogan is nowhere to be found.
joe rogan
I can't have that happen.
I'll be paying attention.
So all the fights are going to be on ESPN +, because sometimes when the ESPN2 fights, you can't get them on ESPN +, unless you have it set up.
yves edwards
Okay, so a lot of times, so we bounce between ESPN Plus and 2. I don't know the format for the first fight.
I can't remember which section of the card is on ESPN 2 and then on Plus.
Oh, there it is.
So we're on Plus at 5.30 to 8.30, East Coast time, and then on 2 from 8.30 to 10.30.
joe rogan
The great thing about ESPN, including with the UFC, is that so many sports fans just have ESPN on automatically.
yves edwards
Absolutely.
joe rogan
Like, I was at a pool hall on Saturday night.
I did a show in Baltimore, and then we went to a pool hall.
We got there right when Junior was entering into the octagon.
It was perfect.
It was perfect timing.
And I was like, don't blink, because this fucking probably ain't going to make it out of the first round.
yves edwards
Yeah, that was a fight.
I was telling my grandmother about that fight.
Like, I'm not bullshitting you.
She was...
joe rogan
It's interesting that Francis wants another shot at the title.
I mean, I don't know why they wouldn't give him another shot at the title.
In my opinion, it's like, what you got now is Stipe versus DC. That irons out who's the champ, right?
And thank God they made that fight instead of the Brock Lesnar fight.
I mean, I think the Brock Lesnar fight would have been fun, and I love DC. I want him to get paid.
I think he sends Brock Lesnar into another dimension.
That's what I think happens in that fight.
And I think he gets a big payday, and that's all great.
But the reality is, the real fight's Stipe.
Stipe's the most successful UFC heavyweight champion of all time, the only guy to ever defend the title four times, and the only guy to survive the fucking hurricane that is Francis Ngannou.
The only guy.
yves edwards
Yeah.
joe rogan
He figured it out.
He figured it out.
Just weather the storm.
You know, just roll with the punches.
Kick the legs.
Jab.
Move.
Use your wrestling.
Wrestle.
I mean, but he had to stop.
He had to avoid the punches at first.
yves edwards
Yeah.
joe rogan
And he's got...
You know, that was an interesting thing, too, I was thinking.
The fight with Stipe, with Francis...
How much did that take out of Stipe?
Because even though he won that fight, when DC knocked him out with one punch, you're like, wow, that's crazy.
You don't see Stipe getting knocked out like that.
I wonder if he was still suffering from the Ngannou fight, which was only a few months before that.
yves edwards
I don't know if he was still suffering from that versus...
joe rogan
It's a perfect punch too.
yves edwards
That's the thing.
And DC talked about it.
He talked about, we saw this being an option in this fight.
This being an opportunity to land this shot.
And he did it.
That's the thing.
If Francis, anybody, probably anybody with any power, of course, if Francis lands that shot, lights out also.
But he didn't see it, and he didn't have the skill set to provide that opportunity.
So I think that might be more telling than...
joe rogan
It was such a perfect punch, too.
He gets rid of the arm on the left side, then boom, the right hand comes over.
yves edwards
That kind of thing, that makes me appreciate the fight IQ of a guy like Cormier.
You know what I mean?
Because, again, Ngannou, bigger puncher, but he just doesn't have the skill set that DC has.
And seeing that, you remember him talking about that in the post-fight.
That was something they saw, and...
To know that that's there and find that opportunity to make that opportunity happen.
That's high-level stuff, man.
joe rogan
High-level stuff.
yves edwards
That's what the best guys do.
joe rogan
I heard that DC looks fantastic in camp.
I heard it looks so good.
But I'm really interested to see what a motivated, hungry, out-for-revenge Stipe can do.
yves edwards
And, like, he knows to take that away.
joe rogan
Yeah.
yves edwards
You know what I mean?
He kind of got into it.
He explained exactly what they saw and how they figured to use that against him.
So, like, Stipe is also, like you said, he's the most decorated heavyweight champion.
He's the most successful.
That success didn't come from, like, not only his skill set, but also his mentality.
So he has to go back into the gym, break that down, take that out of his game.
You know, make that not a thing.
joe rogan
And also now he knows that the title is everything.
You lose the title, people don't even talk about you.
They stop talking about him.
You know, I felt obliged.
I felt like I had an obligation to talk about Stipe.
I'm like, no one's talking about him.
Like, how are you not talking about the most successful heavyweight champion of all time?
yves edwards
Yeah.
The guy who...
I understand him having to have one fight before getting rematch, or he could have legitimately just got the rematch because of his resume as champion.
I don't know.
I don't like that part of fighting where you're only as good as your last fight.
joe rogan
Yeah, no, I don't like it either.
I just feel like...
I get the business aspect of it.
I get that.
But I feel like a fighter like that, you gotta give him a rematch.
You have to.
yves edwards
He deserves it.
joe rogan
He's a champion.
He earned it.
Like a legit champion.
The guy says he wants a rematch.
Set it up.
yves edwards
So, quick question where that's concerned.
When you say that, right...
Woodley, of course, you had GSP, you had Matt Hughes, they had long title runs also, but the fight with Kamaru, Kamaru was so dominant in that fight.
What does Woodley need to do to get a rematch?
joe rogan
That's an interesting question, because it's a different thing, right?
yves edwards
Yep.
joe rogan
I guess it's a different thing, but is it really?
I mean, is it really different to dominate a guy than to hit him with one punch?
I mean, it kind of is, but it's also, you're dealing with a guy who was a long-time champion who dominated the division, a guy who just blew Darren Till's title shot hopes up in the smithereens.
That was the big one, right?
yves edwards
Yeah.
joe rogan
Darren Till one, because that one was confusing to me.
I'm like, how is he the betting favorite?
I don't understand it.
I get it he beat Cowboy, and I get it he dropped Wonderboy, but this is...
Tyron Woodley's a guy who's battle-tested, man.
He's been in there with everybody.
I felt that was one of the weirder, believing the hype things, in terms of the bookmakers.
yves edwards
Yeah, and it worked out well for hardcore fans that knew.
joe rogan
But yeah, Camaro was so dominant.
And then you got Colby Covington who still has the claim to the interim.
They took it away from him.
yves edwards
But he's fighting Robbie.
So that's a fight I'm interested in.
Because we all used to train together.
When Robbie was getting ready for Johnny Hendricks.
Remember, Kobe's a wrestler.
joe rogan
Yeah.
yves edwards
And he's a southpaw.
unidentified
Right.
yves edwards
You know?
It was years ago, and Kobe's grown a lot since then.
But, I mean, those guys spent a lot of time on the mat together a couple years ago, you know?
joe rogan
How did those training sessions go?
yves edwards
I can't tell you that.
unidentified
Yes, you can.
joe rogan
You don't even work for the organization anymore.
yves edwards
Yeah, but, like, one of them's an acquaintance and another is a good friend.
joe rogan
Blink twice if Robbie fucked him up.
yves edwards
A stair cap.
joe rogan
You know what I like about it?
Robbie looked physically fantastic in his last fight.
And I know he lost to Ben Askren.
It was a crazy, controversial situation.
I don't know, man.
I went over it with Herb Dean.
We watched the fight again when Herb was in here.
I kind of believe him.
The way his arm just dropped like that, I'm like, that seems like he was out.
yves edwards
I believe that Herb felt he was out.
I don't think Robbie was out.
joe rogan
I think he was out for a second.
yves edwards
I think so.
joe rogan
Yeah, I think he was out for a second, and I think when Herb came over, then Ben let the choke up.
yves edwards
I'm going to watch that again in slow motion, but you don't come back from a choke instantly.
joe rogan
Well, you do if he was letting the choke up while you were fighting.
So if Herb's coming over, and he thinks Robbie's out, and he starts to let up, and then the blood rushes to the brain, and then Herb stops the fight, and he lets it go, and then he's up like nothing happened.
Depends on how long you've been out.
If you're out for only a second, it depends.
It depends on how tight the choke is.
Is the blood kind of getting in there and then not getting in there?
yves edwards
I'm going to leave it alone because now we're getting into conjecture.
joe rogan
I can't.
yves edwards
We're just guessing now.
joe rogan
Yeah, it was...
Disappointing, but also if he just put him to sleep, that would have been definitive, but it was just so confusing.
We thought he was out, and then he wasn't out, and we were like, what?
And then most people thought they had to run it back.
Most people.
yves edwards
Yeah, I thought so too.
I'm surprised they're not, but I'm down for him and Masvidal.
unidentified
Yes.
yves edwards
I like that fight.
joe rogan
Yes.
I like that fight a lot.
Because Masvidal can wrestle.
Masvidal can wrestle and he's super crafty and he's mean as fuck.
He's a mean man, you know?
yves edwards
I'm not going to lie, man.
I'm going to tell you, of all the people I've trained with...
I think overall, when you put the entirety of mixed martial arts is together, Masvidal might be the best.
joe rogan
Real?
yves edwards
Like, his boxing is some of the best in the sport of mixed martial arts.
He's not a kickboxer, but he's confident and comfortable with all the kicks.
Wrestling?
His wrestling is way beyond a guy who never wrestled.
Like, you know?
He's like division one level, you know, at the very least.
And then his jiu-jitsu, people sleep on his jiu-jitsu, man.
Masvidal is legit on the ground.
The first day I went into American Top 10, we had fought each other before, and I figured, nah, this guy's horrible on the ground, we just go.
But I was surprised.
And this was like 12 years ago, 10, 12 years ago, you know?
And he's day in, day out.
He's a worker.
He's constantly working on his craft.
He's constantly working to get better.
Ben Askren, you know he's got the ground.
You know he's got the wrestling.
But Masvidal's defensive wrestling, is Askren going to be able to maul him like he's done to everybody else?
joe rogan
And he's got to close that distance.
yves edwards
He's got to close that distance.
joe rogan
On the feet, Masvidal has a giant advantage.
Just giant.
yves edwards
Good footwork, great hands.
joe rogan
But Askren has this crazy way of getting a hold of people.
Even Robbie, even after Robbie was blasting his brains into another dimension, he still got up and was grabbing Robbie.
It's like he has this ability to grab people and hold onto people.
Like, if you watch the Douglas Lima fight or the Koreshkov fight in Bellator, you're like, Jesus Christ.
Like, he ragdolls people.
It's weird.
yves edwards
Yeah, he's hard to get away from.
He's very hard to get away from.
I remember when I first met Ben, he went to this tournament.
He used to do tournaments in college just to get more pins so he could have the pin record.
So he got the pin record for the University of Missouri.
But he would also, with other high-level wrestlers, he would just let people in on his legs so that he can get into these scrambles, that funk stuff that he does.
Yeah.
I remember he asked Dean Thomas one time.
He's wrestling on that same trip.
He's wrestling with Dean and he just stops everything.
He's like, do you know how to sprawl?
Like Dean didn't even know what a sprawl was because his wrestling is so good.
He was touching us and we were falling over.
You know what I mean?
joe rogan
Wow.
yves edwards
His wrestling is that good.
joe rogan
Well, that makes it even more impressive what Jordan Burroughs did to him.
When Jordan Burroughs and him had that wrestling match, there's levels.
And he said it afterwards, he put it on his Instagram, there's levels to this.
And there is, because he just ran them over.
yves edwards
Right through him.
Power doubles and everything.
joe rogan
Isn't it crazy, just when you think about that a guy who's the elite of the elite in wrestling is so much better than the elite of the elite in wrestling and MMA. MMA, yeah.
It is so much better.
yves edwards
But...
Would he have still been able to do that the same way if Ben was only wrestling over those years?
joe rogan
That's a big question.
It's hard to say because Jordan's so good.
yves edwards
Yeah.
joe rogan
He's so dominant.
It's hard to say.
yves edwards
Are you talking about, what, two-time Olympic champion?
joe rogan
Yeah.
And he's unbelievably explosive, too.
You ever seen his workouts?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
All plyos, drills, explosive drills.
And he's just all about closing that distance with just ferocious energy.
Boom!
yves edwards
That dude.
He crosses that distance like it's not even there.
joe rogan
God damn, he's good.
yves edwards
Like he teleports.
joe rogan
I was hoping he was going to get into MMA, but it doesn't seem like he wants to.
yves edwards
No, I honestly, when he was still in school, so one of my buddies, Lin Oding, he was reaching out.
This is how I met Tyron.
He was reaching out to Division I wrestlers for me to help me with my wrestling.
After the Joe Stevenson fight, because I was like, I can't wrestle, right?
And Jordan Burroughs was one of the guys he reached out to, and he was just not interested in MMA at that point.
He was like, I'm going to the Olympics, I'm going to wrestle.
He had no interest.
I don't know where that stands now, because the sport is bigger, there's more money in it, but he's still having so much success wrestling.
joe rogan
Right, and who knows how much time, if any, he's put into striking.
yves edwards
Yeah, but that IQ of his, as far as wrestling, that athleticism, you know he's a hard worker.
joe rogan
Oh yeah, it will apply if he dedicates himself to it, but if he hasn't at all, he's so far behind the eight ball.
If he jumps in now with zero striking...
You know, like, how long would it take before he gets to a comfortable level of striking where he can hang in there?
You know, like, remember Kamaru?
Kamaru, when he first started fighting, was really just a wrestler.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
But then you really saw in the Tyron fight, when he almost stopped Tyron on the feet, his striking is legit now.
yves edwards
His fight with Moraes.
Yeah, Sergio Moraes.
That was where I started to recognize his striking is improving.
unidentified
Yeah.
yves edwards
And you could see it.
If you watch his fights from then, You can see each time a vast improvement in his striking.
But what I like about that is his wrestling didn't really fade.
His wrestling still stayed sharp.
And that's where I'm like, how do you do that?
Because there's only so much hours in a day.
joe rogan
What's also crazy with him is he can't run.
His knees are so fucked up.
yves edwards
I didn't know that.
joe rogan
He doesn't even care.
He doesn't mind talking about it.
He's like, Joe, my knees were so fucked up, I'd have to walk on the grass because I couldn't walk on the concrete because it hurt too much.
yves edwards
How do you fight at that level?
Like, if you can't run?
joe rogan
I don't understand.
Well, he just does, like, airdyne, bike.
yves edwards
But, I mean, how do they even work inside the octagon if you can't run on them?
unidentified
Tough.
joe rogan
Just tough.
Unbelievable mental toughness.
I mean, I think he gets in there, he just forces his body to do whatever he wants it to do.
yves edwards
Did you ask him if he feels any pain when he's fighting?
joe rogan
He's in pain the whole time.
Wow.
You never see it.
You know he had a broken foot in that fight.
There's like a mindset that some people have.
The champion mindset.
All that stuff means nothing.
And he had hernias.
He had hernias surgery after the fight.
I mean, what the fuck, man?
yves edwards
Yeah, that's some different shit, man.
joe rogan
It's like Jordan Burrow says, there's levels.
There's levels to the mental game, too.
It's like some guys can just push through everything, and some guys will find a reason why they have to get out.
yves edwards
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know?
yves edwards
Yeah, there's that being in that moment, and now means everything.
There is no tomorrow.
joe rogan
Yep.
yves edwards
It's like, I like to...
I try to keep that mentality also in some of the things that I try to do now because like it was like I'm this kid from the Bahamas you know there's no reason that somebody in Japan should know my name but because of mixed martial arts because of my dedication to the sport because I wanted to be something in that that happened so it's like you just have to have that mentality of if I'm on a boat if I'm in the Bahamas I'm on a boat and my boat sinks and I'm out in the middle I'm 20 miles from land like If
I don't get to land, it's not because I failed.
I mean, it's not because I quit.
It's because I failed.
Right.
That mentality, that's how I look at guys like that.
Guys who just have no quitting them.
I feel like Uriah is like favors like that.
joe rogan
Yeah, the Mike Brown fight.
Perfect example.
He broke both his hands and was still throwing elbows, kicks, trying to take him down, doing anything he could.
Two broken hands.
yves edwards
Tony Ferguson.
joe rogan
Tony Ferguson is an animal.
An animal.
He's the scariest guy at 155 in my world.
yves edwards
I agree.
joe rogan
In my world.
Because he don't get tired.
That cowboy fight freaked me out.
Cowboy looked like Tony had bricks in his gloves.
yves edwards
Yeah.
joe rogan
His face was all busted up.
Tony didn't look like he had a scratch on him.
And Tony wasn't even tired.
yves edwards
Tony posted a meme, I feel like, a couple days ago.
He showed, like, his last seven opponents.
joe rogan
Yeah, they're all fucked up.
Like, they all fell off a train.
Yeah, it's crazy, man.
He has insane power, man.
It's like, it's a weird thing.
Because Tony does stuff to people.
And he doesn't get tired.
yves edwards
He doesn't get...
Like, he's legit crazy.
joe rogan
Yes.
yves edwards
Like, he doesn't...
Like, I don't know if he feels pain.
That kind of crazy.
You know what I mean?
Like, he will do things in there that...
I remember when we fought.
I'm South Pole.
He's orthodox, right?
He throws that inside kick.
And I'm turning my leg over to check it.
And, like, it was never at my knee.
He was throwing that at my shin.
Like, if you're throwing that calf kick...
With that open stance, you're throwing it at the shin.
You know what I mean?
So I checked it, and I was about to check, and then we banked shin to shin.
The middle of the shin to the middle of his shin.
And I remember thinking to myself, why the fuck would you do that?
Now we're both hurting.
I seriously hated that feeling, but...
Like, there was no reaction on his face.
It was nothing.
He was just, like, still on.
Just on to the next thing.
And I feel like, I'm glad I fought him then.
Because, like, look at him now.
He's, like, psychotic.
You know?
joe rogan
Yeah, look at that.
Tony Ferguson's last seven opponents.
Jesus Christ.
yves edwards
They're all bloody messes.
joe rogan
Even, like, his...
The things he posts.
Like, you get an insight to how crazy his mind is.
yves edwards
Like...
Did you see his press conference after Anthony Pettis?
joe rogan
No.
yves edwards
Yeah, he was talking about how he was going to be a doctor.
I think he said something like, he said, what did he say?
He said, oh, he said, you know what they call me?
Because he's like, yeah, he's a GQ guy.
He was talking about Anthony.
He's like, he's a GQ guy.
But you know what they call me?
They call me the GQ killer.
You know what that is?
It's an awesome nickname.
joe rogan
I would like to see what his conditioning workout is.
Because Eddie goes with him up to Big Bear.
And he trains with him.
And he says, you've never seen anything like it.
He said, everybody else in the camp can't keep up with him.
He works out, he goes, I've never seen anybody have this kind of dedication in a gas tank.
He said he works out a legitimate six hours a day.
He says he's running hills.
They do these hill sprints, and he said he laps everybody.
He goes all the way to the top before they do, goes down, and then beats them on the way up.
He said he just doesn't get tired.
yves edwards
Yeah.
joe rogan
I don't understand.
What is someone doing when their cardio is so much better than everybody else's?
Because the Cowboy fight, I'm telling you, man, I watched him from the moment they stopped the fight.
After the second round, I'm watching him, and he goes back to his corner.
Cowboy's face is a mess.
He's just beating the shit out of Cowboy.
He goes back to his corner.
His stomach isn't even heaving.
yves edwards
Yeah.
joe rogan
He's not breathing heavy.
yves edwards
I'm not going to lie to you.
I don't want to see this fight because I like both those guys.
But as a fight fan, I want to see this fight.
And that's him and Dustin.
joe rogan
Oh, him and Dustin would be insane.
yves edwards
Because those are two guys who don't know how to quit.
joe rogan
Well, if Dustin beats Khabib, that's the fight.
yves edwards
Yeah.
joe rogan
And if Dustin doesn't beat Khabib, Tony and Khabib's the fight.
yves edwards
Yeah.
joe rogan
They'll fight eventually, I'm sure.
Yeah.
I mean, that is a crazy-ass fight.
josh olin
But the thing is, Tony's pace is so disturbing.
joe rogan
It's so disturbing.
Because I watch him fight guys, and I'm like, how do you keep up with that?
Nobody keeps up with it.
You've got to crack him.
You've got to catch him.
Anthony caught him, but he broke his hand.
But Pettis had him hurt.
And Lando had him hurt.
Lando Venata cracked him and had him hurt.
unidentified
I remember that.
yves edwards
Yeah.
Yeah, but like...
joe rogan
He knows how to survive, though.
yves edwards
Yeah, exactly.
And also, it's weird because he doesn't survive like most people do.
He doesn't tie you up and try to recollect himself.
Like, he just still fights.
joe rogan
Yeah.
yves edwards
And he, like, instead, like...
joe rogan
Scramble.
yves edwards
You hurt him, he puts it on you.
unidentified
Yeah.
yves edwards
He's like, okay, I need a break.
Meaning, I'm coming after you now.
unidentified
Yeah.
yves edwards
Hey, you're going to have to stop me from killing you so that I can breathe.
joe rogan
I'm always stunned at his pace and his cardio.
It's amazing.
I just want to know, is this scientifically planned?
Are they monitoring his heart rate or is this just psychotic?
Is it scientific or is it psychotic?
yves edwards
I think it's the latter.
joe rogan
I think it might be.
yves edwards
Tony Ferguson.
If this was a scary movie, Tony Ferguson would be that guy.
joe rogan
He's El Kukui.
yves edwards
Yeah.
He's the boogeyman.
They need to make a movie.
Somebody needs to do some kind of...
I don't know, mashup of his fights that make him seem like the Jason.
The guy that just never goes away and as soon as you turn around, he's ready to kill you.
joe rogan
Well, you just think about Luke Thomas posted some tweet where the last time Tony Ferguson won, like who was champion and what was going on in the world.
It was like 2013. It was the last time he lost.
And he lost to Michael Johnson.
Who also beat Dustin.
yves edwards
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, that was Dustin's last loss as well.
Much more recent though.
yves edwards
Yeah, much more recent.
That was here in LA. Was it the forum?
joe rogan
Was it?
yves edwards
Yeah.
But that fight also, where Dustin's concerned, now like we propped up Tony, so I gotta give Dustin some props.
Because that's the thing about mixed martial arts, first of all.
There's not a lot of guys who...
Have some success and success and then they get stopped.
Then success and success and then they get stopped.
And then since that, like, but every time he got stopped or every time he lost, he made adjustments, made improvements and got better.
joe rogan
Sure.
yves edwards
And that was the last one and then he had the debacle with Eddie where the disqualification and, um...
The knock on him going into that was, you know, when he hurts somebody, he doesn't necessarily know how to finish.
He gets too aggressive.
You know, he goes crazy.
That fight, then he gets gaechi, where it's like, if you hurt him and you go crazy, you're putting yourself at risk.
So that was the perfect fight to demonstrate that he learned the lesson.
And he did.
You know?
So, like, I don't know where, I don't know really what the knock on him is now.
I remember this is something that, I didn't want to say this to him because he doesn't watch a lot of his opponents and their press stuff.
But I remember a long time ago, DC had Khabib on the Fox desk and he was talking to him.
He was asking about opponents.
He was like, what do you think of this guy?
What do you think of this guy?
And he said, just give me one word answers.
And he said, Dustin Poirier.
And he goes, easy fight.
joe rogan
Whoa.
yves edwards
And I'm like...
I want to see this fight now.
joe rogan
I wonder if he thinks that after the Holloway fight, though.
That was an eye-opener for a lot of folks.
But Holloway fought Dustin the way Dustin would look the best.
He stood in front of him.
Holloway doesn't have the same knockout power that Dustin has.
Dustin has real legit one-punch power.
Max beats you up.
He just puts a pace on you, beats your ass, and takes you out.
But also, I don't think Max has the same kind of power at 155. At 145, he's just so much bigger than everybody.
At 155, he's their size, and Dustin's a big 55-er.
yves edwards
Yeah, Dustin is a big 55er.
I can't say I agree about the power, only because Dustin's been knocked out, but he does have a chin.
He can take a shot.
joe rogan
No, but I'm not saying he doesn't.
yves edwards
I know.
joe rogan
Max has never knocked anybody out with one shot.
He beats guys up and then takes them apart.
yves edwards
Yeah, no, you're right.
You're right.
joe rogan
Dustin's capable of flatlining you.
He can flatline people with one shot.
You don't really see that that much with Max.
Max, he's just super sharp, super high fight IQ, and just makes you fight wars with him.
But he was fighting a war with a guy who had higher caliber weapons.
That's what it seemed like in that fight.
And Dustin just fought real smart.
Great boxing and capitalized on these openings and really stung Max in a way that we haven't seen before.
yves edwards
And good footwork too.
If you remember, Max was using his footwork early in that fight, but everywhere he went, Dustin was there too.
And there are sometimes, maybe not even a conscious decision where it's like, well...
Doesn't matter.
Wherever I go, he's going to be there anyway, so then this is what we're doing.
I'm not just going to keep running around now.
So he might have made Max decide to stay in front of him like he did towards the second and third and fourth.
joe rogan
The difference is with Khabib, obviously, is the grappling.
That's Khabib's bread and butter.
He's so fucking terrifyingly good.
When he clinches you, it's like you see these guys.
They have this look on their face like, what is this?
This is a new experience.
This is a different kind of grappling.
yves edwards
And he immobilizes people.
He gets you in positions that literally you can't go left, you can't go right.
He's got that wrist wrap on the backside and a half guard on the front side.
So you can't turn...
Turn to your right, but you also can't turn to your left.
And he straps you down, man.
That's what I hope Dustin works on right now.
Just sealing off, not allowing Khabib to get those underhooks on the ground, not allowing Khabib to get around his body and just get back to his feet if he gets taken down.
We know that Khabib's not the greatest striker.
We saw Alai Quinta do some damage on the feet in, I think, the third or fourth round of that fight.
joe rogan
He definitely showed where Khabib, if he has any vulnerability, it's going to be in the striking.
But he didn't really hurt him.
Never hurt him once.
The only person to ding him is Michael.
Michael Johnson dinged him once.
yves edwards
Yeah.
joe rogan
But he recovered from that quickly and beat the shit out of Michael.
Especially on the ground.
yves edwards
I also think Dustin is more of a predator.
I think Ally Clint is good on his feet.
He's boxing solid.
He hits hard.
But I think just Dustin's boxing IQ... If he hurts you, especially now, I think if he hurts you, he's smarter about being able to finish.
With the power that he carries, he's more selective with his weapons.
That's definitely a big option.
If he can show that he can hurt Khabib standing, then he has a very good shot of stopping him there.
What does that mean to stop Khabib?
You know what I mean?
Is it possible?
But you know what?
I think you have to.
How do you beat that wrestling over 25 minutes?
joe rogan
Right.
How do you keep him from taking you down over and over and over again?
Just getting back up is not good enough.
yves edwards
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because he's going to keep taking you down.
That's a real good point because he's been able to do that to every single person he's fought inside the Octagon.
I mean, even when Conor stopped a little bit of it early on, I mean, it was just a matter of time.
yves edwards
Yeah.
That's that whole Gregor thing, man.
I hope Gregor's watching this and he's like, man, I should do that.
I should do that because Eve's calling me out.
joe rogan
Is Dustin in Florida?
yves edwards
Yeah.
I was in Texas last week.
I drove down to Lafayette, Youngsville, to talk to him, to record that podcast.
We trained some.
He made me.
I'm like an hour away.
He's like, alright, you're running practice.
I'm like, I'm fat.
I don't know what to do.
I haven't trained in like weeks.
But he came in, we did that.
And then he was leaving for Florida that Friday.
So he's been there for about a week now.
Almost a week now.
joe rogan
And the fight is, what's the date of the fight?
yves edwards
The fight is September 7th, Abu Dhabi.
joe rogan
Dun, dun, dun.
yves edwards
You're not going to that.
joe rogan
Nope.
yves edwards
So...
If you do Fight Companion, I'd love to come in for that.
joe rogan
If we do Fight Companion, I'll have you in.
yves edwards
Because Dust is my boy, man.
joe rogan
I'm going to find out if I'm even in town.
I might be on the road.
yves edwards
You're going to be in AC very soon, huh?
joe rogan
I was just there.
yves edwards
Oh, okay.
That's what it is.
joe rogan
I was just there this past weekend.
yves edwards
Okay.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
No, I'm home.
If I'm still home...
As of right now, I'm home, but if I'm still home, we have a fight companion, you're in, fella.
It'll be fun.
yves edwards
I'm down to be there, especially if I don't go to Abu Dhabi.
I would love to be there for that, but that's Abu Dhabi.
joe rogan
It'll be interesting, too, you know him so well, you know, to get your insight on that.
yves edwards
He's the only guy repping Thug Jitsu right now, you know?
That's right!
He's like, I'm telling Bruce to mark me down as a Thug Jitsu fighter.
He came up under Tim Crater.
joe rogan
That's right.
Crazy Tim.
yves edwards
Crazy Tim.
joe rogan
I remember Tim from the John Jock Machado days, way back in the day.
I first saw Crazy Tim.
I never got to train with him, but he came down.
In, like, 98?
yves edwards
Yep.
joe rogan
Somewhere around there?
Yep.
98-ish?
yves edwards
He started, when Tim started training with me, I was coaching him.
We went to some fights in Boston.
I'm sitting next to the commission, and Tim's fighting this guy, and he's working on a stand-up with me, and they're trading, and the guy takes him down.
And when the guy takes Tim down, I look at the commission, and I grab, like, all this stuff, and I'm like, well, that's the end of that.
I start putting everything in the bucket.
And then the committee, like, I don't know, before I even got my head up, like Tim tapped him.
And the commissioner was like, you called that one, didn't you?
joe rogan
There's some shit that you just know.
Especially at a certain level of fights, there's some shit that you just know.
That's one of the more interesting things about high-level fights and high-level fighters is you don't know anymore.
yves edwards
No.
Because now, everybody knows the same thing.
joe rogan
Unless you have that checkmate card like Francis.
No disrespect to Junior, but I did not think that that fight was going to get out of the first round.
I had a feeling it was going to go that way.
yves edwards
Yeah.
joe rogan
And that's what I said to all my friends.
I said, if I had to bet my money, anything can happen.
It's a crazy sport.
But if I had to bet my money, I'd bet the house on the big fella.
yves edwards
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because he just does shit to people.
yves edwards
Like I said, that guy, man, those only takes one guys.
They're scary.
And Junior's style wasn't necessarily the style to avoid and counter that.
You know what I mean?
For me, the Jeremy Stevens fight was like that.
Jeremy Stevens, he's that one punch kind of thing.
And you just have to make sure that they miss and just pick your shots.
For me, it was fortunate that...
I caught him running into something, too.
I do have one-punch power, but I don't pack power like Dustin does.
I would say my power is more, if we're talking about the best guys today, more about precision, closer to maxes in the sense of I would pick you apart, but all the knockouts, they came from volume or catching you slipping, catching you coming in or something like that.
I don't know who's at heavyweight who fights like that.
joe rogan
Nobody.
You'd have to get a Rico Verhoeven.
You'd have to get someone who's like a world-class striker.
Rico's had some MMA fights, and he's still the glory heavyweight champion.
And he's also a big, giant dude.
But then again, man, he's been fighting with those big gloves, and he's been stopped before.
Could he handle it?
I mean, if he stands in front of Francis, could he handle it?
I don't think any human handles it.
You've got to get a guy like Stipe that just knows how to get the fuck out of there.
yves edwards
I think Francis could knock out an elephant.
joe rogan
He probably could.
yves edwards
I'm serious.
At least a baby elephant.
joe rogan
Yeah, a little elephant.
That's fucked up, though.
Even thinking about that is fucked up.
Yeah, I don't think there's anybody he can't knock out.
Which is really interesting if he decided to go to boxing.
He's one of those guys where you go, if he really decided to go to boxing...
yves edwards
Who hits harder?
unidentified
Deontay hits fucking hard.
joe rogan
Deontay hits so goddamn hard.
It's hard to tell.
Deontay has fought the cream of the crop in boxing and he's knocked out 39 dudes.
He's 40 and what is he like?
40 and 1?
40-0.
Well, how's he 40-0?
The Tyson Fury fight was a draw.
yves edwards
Oh, 40-0-1.
joe rogan
So it's 40-0-1.
And 39 knockouts.
Stiverne was the only one in the first fight where it went the distance, and then he nuked him in the second fight.
The first time they fought, I believe that's the case.
Who did he have a decision with?
Does it say there?
You can look at his Wikipedia.
He hits harder than anybody I've ever seen in the heavyweight division in this modern era outside of Tyson.
yves edwards
I feel like I should call him CTE. Like, for real.
Remember they did that study on the NFL bodies and they did like 111 bodies and 110 of them had CTE? 39 out of 40. Yeah, he's giving people some real problems.
jamie vernon
Just the one.
Remains Stiverne.
unidentified
Yes.
jamie vernon
First fight against him.
joe rogan
Stiverne was the only one that went the distance.
Everybody else gets nuked.
unidentified
Boom!
joe rogan
And he hits guys.
They just go flying.
You know?
Like, the fact that Tyson Fury got up after that 12th round, like, Jesus Christ.
yves edwards
Yeah, that was...
joe rogan
Crazy.
yves edwards
Yeah, that was like Gypsy King stuff.
joe rogan
Crazy.
yves edwards
It was ridiculous.
joe rogan
Yeah, voodoo.
He had an extra chicken bone in his fucking shorts.
yves edwards
Because you see, I don't know, for me, I noticed those things.
When we were watching that thing with Sage and Cosmo, when Sage went down, and then after Cosmo hit him, his body didn't give up.
They could shut off on him, but he was trying to get up.
He was getting up to fight back.
Yeah.
Because if you're not getting up the fight, you're covering up.
But he's trying to get up.
Same thing, where Tyson Fury goes down, the referee's in his face and he's counting him out and you see his head.
You see his head go...
joe rogan
Right.
yves edwards
And he just gets up.
joe rogan
Like it was over.
I thought it was over.
yves edwards
I did too.
joe rogan
I was watching it at home.
yves edwards
I was celebrating.
unidentified
Yeah.
yves edwards
I was like, I won!
I'm going to make some money!
joe rogan
I was watching at home and my thought was, God damn, he knocked him out in the 12th round.
How the fuck does that guy carry that power like that in the 12th round?
Tyson's back up and then he wins the rest of the round!
That was even crazy!
Deontay bombs on him, he hits him with some hard shots, and then Tyson comes back and dings him.
And you see, he catches him.
yves edwards
Yeah, he did.
He wobbled him for a second.
joe rogan
Yeah, and like, this is unbelievable.
What a fight.
yves edwards
That was probably the best heavyweight boxing fight I've seen.
I can't remember what happened.
joe rogan
Look at this.
Tyson Fury says, put it this way, he hits four times harder than Vitaly Klitschko, he hits five times harder than Vladimir Klitschko, he hits six times harder than Anthony Joshua, and he hits eight times harder than Tyson Fury.
Well, who said that?
jamie vernon
That's good.
joe rogan
Oh, okay.
He's a sparring partner for him.
Oh, I thought that was Tyson Fury's quote.
Yeah.
Well, that's probably accurate.
It says, is Deontay Wilder a stronger puncher than a prime George Foreman?
The thing about Deontay is, he knocks everyone out.
He's not winning any decisions except one.
I mean, there's nobody like that.
You even go back to Tyson.
Tyson, when he fought, I mean, he fought a lot of dudes that went to decision.
And he beat their asses, but they went to decision.
yves edwards
Honestly, I wouldn't mind Tyson getting into his camp and even just kind of mentoring him a bit.
Mike Tyson, I feel like somebody like that would really help a guy like Dion.
I mean, it's not like he needs a lot of help.
unidentified
Right.
yves edwards
But somebody like Mike Tyson being around, just having him to call on and talk to sometimes.
joe rogan
Tyson doesn't really want to have anything to do with boxing anymore, though, it seems.
yves edwards
And maybe not even in the gym.
Maybe just somebody to talk to once in a while.
joe rogan
Just for life.
yves edwards
Maybe some strategy.
Maybe even about strategy sometimes, you know?
Because I feel...
I don't know.
I forget exactly what it was, but there was a moment when I was watching Deontay Wilder and then there was something...
I think when Mike was in here, something he was talking about that I was just like...
Man, those two should get connected.
joe rogan
That's interesting.
yves edwards
I was a long time ago when I was living in Texas.
I got a phone call at like 2 a.m.
It was one of my buddies.
It was my buddy, Lynn Oding.
And I was like, I don't want to answer that, man.
I'm sleeping.
I'm in bed with my wife.
I'm sleeping.
He calls.
And then the next morning, I listen to my voicemail.
And he's like, Eve!
unidentified
Eve!
yves edwards
If you get this, call me back.
He was at a club.
And he's like, somebody wants to talk to you.
And he has the phone.
He's like, Eve Edwards!
Eve Edwards!
I was so pissed.
joe rogan
God!
unidentified
I was like, man, I missed a phone call from Mike Tyson.
yves edwards
He ran into him in a club or something.
I was like, Mike Tyson knows my name?
joe rogan
Dude, I met him at the UFC, and he's like, you're that weed guy!
unidentified
Yeah!
yves edwards
No, he's that weird guy.
joe rogan
Well, I mean, he was into weed back then, but it was like, that's what he said.
He goes, I like you, man.
You're funny.
I'm like, thank you.
So glad you like me.
And then having him in here was so surreal because when I was a kid, he was the fucking man.
yves edwards
Yeah.
joe rogan
I mean, you would pay to see his fights just to watch him fuck somebody up.
It wasn't a fight.
It was an execution.
You would watch him execute guys.
He was the man.
yves edwards
He was the man.
joe rogan
He changed heavyweight boxing.
People don't realize that heavyweight boxing in the early 80s was dead.
Nobody cared.
Because Larry Holmes, after he beat Muhammad Ali, everybody was sad.
It was a sad thing.
There was a changing in the guard.
Larry Holmes beat the shit out of Muhammad Ali.
And Larry Holmes never got his due.
He never got his due.
He was so good, man.
Larry was so good.
He had one of the best jabs of all time.
He was so good.
But people were still upset at him because he fucked up Muhammad Ali.
He was the champ after the greatest.
Muhammad Ali wasn't just the greatest in terms of the greatest fighter.
He was a cultural icon.
He meant something to people.
Everyone knew the guy was out for three years because he protested the Vietnam War.
Everybody fucking hated the Vietnam War.
Especially people who went to Vietnam hated the Vietnam War.
And they got it, man.
He meant a lot.
He meant a lot.
So when Larry Holmes came around, it's like, man, Larry just never got his due.
Never got his due.
yves edwards
That era of boxing, I remember going back, watching tape and doing that.
And that's one thing I appreciate about Tyson.
He was a student.
joe rogan
Yes.
Thank God he knew Jim Jacobs, who had that crazy library that he could get all that...
You know, Jim Jacobs was the guy who curated, like, he has every old-time fight.
All of them.
He would watch Sugar Ray Robinson and Jack Dempsey.
yves edwards
And he's watching, like, Willie Pep.
And he's not only watching, like, the heavyweights.
joe rogan
Yeah, he watched every...
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Harry Greb.
He watched all those guys.
All those old-school...
And weird, obscure fighters, you know?
Guys that most people don't remember anymore.
yves edwards
Yeah, that era of boxing was very different.
joe rogan
Sandy Sadler and all those guys.
He would watch all those guys.
Yeah, that era of boxing before him was terrible.
He had champs like Pinklin Thomas and Tony Tubbs, and no one cared about the heavyweight division.
And then he came along and just started blasting people.
And you're like, finally!
yves edwards
I remember I was like seven or eight years old.
I met Trevor Burbick.
He was down in the Bahamas for a fight.
And that's who Tyson took his belt from.
unidentified
Yep.
yves edwards
Got his first belt from him.
joe rogan
20 years old.
yves edwards
Yeah.
joe rogan
Crazy.
yves edwards
Like 20. 20. Now you're the heavyweight champion.
joe rogan
And then that was the thing talking to him about it.
Like, what was that like?
And it's just, there's no way he can manage it.
No one can manage that.
You're gonna go crazy.
yves edwards
I feel like his career and his life would have been very different if Cuss didn't die when he did.
joe rogan
I think so too.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
I think so too.
It's a tragic story, but it's also like there's so many lessons in that story.
It's like for all of us, it's like there's a lot to learn, you know, what happened when it got all the way to Buster Douglas when it was like he felt like he can't lose and he was in this rare state.
yves edwards
Yeah.
Yeah, like his life, like he's had so many ups and downs, and as the heavyweight champion, and like to be somebody that's the heavyweight champion of the world, somebody with so many eyes on them, you know, the Robin Givens, that whole song in his life, you know?
I remember, I forget who, was it Oprah, when they were being interviewed?
And they were on the show, and he just kind of looked like...
I feel like Mike Tyson in that interview was like those tigers that people walk with that they drug.
joe rogan
Yes.
yves edwards
You know what I mean?
joe rogan
Yeah, perfect.
Perfect way to describe it.
yves edwards
Man.
joe rogan
They probably medicated him.
yves edwards
Yeah.
Because he just didn't seem like the Mike Tyson who I was a fan of.
unidentified
Right.
yves edwards
Like, I didn't dislike him in that moment.
I was just like, what's wrong with him?
joe rogan
Meanwhile, who the fuck?
I mean, it had to be her idea.
If I was his friend, why are you going to talk to Barbra Streisand?
yves edwards
Yeah, that's who it is.
joe rogan
Or Barbra Walters, whoever it was.
Get the fuck out of here.
Same thing.
Barbra Streisand and Barbra Walters to me.
You're talking to some old lady?
You're the fucking heavyweight champ of the world.
Get out of here with that talk.
No, no, no, no, no.
unidentified
No, no, no.
joe rogan
This is nonsense.
And you're going to bring your wife?
What are you doing?
What benefit is there?
yves edwards
Well, I can't say definitely, but my assumption is it was Robin Gibbs.
joe rogan
She emasculated him.
Yeah, she emasculated him in front of the world.
And I think afterwards he realized what happened.
He was furious.
But it's like, that life is unmanageable.
The life that he lived back then was unmanageable.
He was the fucking king of the world.
He was in his 20s.
He was buck wild, just going crazy, flatlining people everywhere he went.
People would throw rose petals at his feet and screaming, cheering fans.
It's unmanageable.
He's too young.
yves edwards
Imagine being a poor guy.
Adopted black kid.
With no love in your life until you're 13. Yeah, until you're 13. And then you come into all of this money because you're the best fighter in the world.
What could he possibly be afraid of then, too?
joe rogan
Nothing.
yves edwards
Right?
joe rogan
Pet tigers, bro.
He'd wrestle with them.
I mean, that was the crazy thing of him talking about when he found out that he could get a tiger.
yves edwards
He's like, what?
joe rogan
I could get a tiger?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
But he's so humble now.
It's so interesting.
And one of the more interesting things that he said is he doesn't train because he doesn't want to fire his ego up.
You know, he's like, I don't like that part of me.
I don't want that part of me to come out again.
I don't want it.
yves edwards
Wasn't there a video of him, like, I understand he doesn't train anymore, but wasn't there a video of him, I think last year, just before he came in here and spoke to you, where he was hitting the heavy bag?
joe rogan
I think it was a little bit longer ago than that, but yeah, he was doing it for something.
He still can crack.
yves edwards
Mad.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Still scary.
yves edwards
Power is the last thing to go.
joe rogan
He's doing a movie and there's a scene in a bar.
They're doing something and he just shows them a combination.
He just punches in the air.
No warm-up.
Lightning fast.
Jab, hook, uppercut, right hand.
It's like, yikes!
It's all still there.
50 years old.
Still fuck you up.
yves edwards
He was the heavyweight champion of my childhood.
Muhammad Ali came before.
joe rogan
But again, Larry Holmes just doesn't get the credit.
For whatever reason, in the first round when Tyson fought Larry Holmes, it made me think, damn, what would it have been like if Larry was in his fucking prime?
Because when they fought, Larry was like 36 or something like that.
Somewhere around there.
It was already kind of over for him.
yves edwards
Yep.
joe rogan
And Mike was Mike.
I mean, Mike was black, shoes, no socks.
There it is right here.
yves edwards
And then the weave.
joe rogan
Yeah.
I mean, he just can't help.
I mean, that was like built into his system, you know?
unidentified
Fuck.
yves edwards
That head movement was deadly.
joe rogan
He was such an interesting guy too because he was only like 5'8".
He's probably like 5'10", 5'11", I think.
He's like 5'10 and a half, something like that.
But to be a heavyweight and just so low and bobbing and weaving and moving in and everybody was like, Jesus!
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like you see him coming out.
yves edwards
Like his head's right in your chest.
joe rogan
And then he's ripping your body and then uppercut, that right hook to the body and that uppercut behind it that he used on everybody.
He used it on Frank Bruno.
He used it on everybody.
Boom!
unidentified
Wow!
joe rogan
Right up the middle.
yves edwards
Who hits harder, him or Francis?
joe rogan
Francis.
yves edwards
Really?
joe rogan
Francis hits harder.
Yeah, he hits harder.
I think so.
I think Mike Tyson was a way better boxer.
yves edwards
Yeah.
joe rogan
But I think if Mike Tyson can hit like Francis does, Francis just has to clip you.
What would he do to Junior?
He just grazed him.
Obviously, they're different gloves.
Obviously, I just think Francis is a way bigger man.
You know, Mike at his prime was like 209, 215 around then.
yves edwards
I remember on Punch Out.
I never beat him.
I never beat him.
I'm still pissed about that.
joe rogan
Well, you know, Deontay, when he fought Tyson Fury, he told me he only weighed 209. That's what he weighed.
yves edwards
How tall is he?
He looks like he's 6'6".
unidentified
He's like 6'6", at least.
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's crazy.
It's crazy.
But I still, I mean, I want to see Deontay Wilder punch that thing that the UFC has.
I have one of those out here.
What is it called again?
yves edwards
The punch-o-meter.
joe rogan
The punch-o-meter.
jamie vernon
That's how I found that thing.
I was looking for someone talking about his punching power somewhere, if there's any gauge of it.
joe rogan
Well, the thing is, I would never let him punch it if I was his trainer.
I'm like, what if you break your hand?
What if you fuck yourself up trying to just hit something as hard as you can?
I mean, he's the goose that lays the billion dollar egg.
Deontay, if he keeps going, where he's at right now, he has become the motherfucking man.
Especially with that last fight with Dominic Brazile.
He sent him into orbit after the Tyson Fury fight.
He realized, okay, this guy's the fucking man, right?
You want to see him fight Andy Ruiz.
You want to see him fight Tyson Fury again.
You want to see him fight Joshua if Joshua comes back.
He's worth so much money now.
I'd be like, don't be punching things.
jamie vernon
So I guess on that, it's the Fox thing where they test punching.
I think it's Fox.
They tested punching power and they actually do have Wilder on this.
And I guess Andy Ruiz recently just broke it.
joe rogan
Really?
jamie vernon
Yeah.
joe rogan
Oh, but see, those things...
jamie vernon
I know, it's like a game, so I don't know how accurate it is.
joe rogan
Let me see what...
Andy Ruiz can fucking punch, son.
jamie vernon
He just ate a Snickers, too, or something.
joe rogan
Did he?
He's got a mouth full of food!
And what's he got?
unidentified
Damn!
jamie vernon
Something plus, and I think Wilder's was at 927, 928. Okay, but I'm telling you, that don't mean shit.
joe rogan
It's a matter of how you punch it, and it just slams up.
Is he trying to get a development deal, a sponsorship with Snickers?
That's hilarious.
I love Andy Ruiz.
He's coming here.
We got him.
We got him for the end of the month.
I'm very excited.
yves edwards
Man.
joe rogan
That fight was crazy.
yves edwards
Yeah, Anthony Joshua.
joe rogan
See, that punching power record, that shit ain't real.
You gotta hit that thing like I have out there where you really can tell.
jamie vernon
Even that, you gotta hit perfectly, too.
You gotta have a sweet spot.
yves edwards
Oh, you have a different thing.
joe rogan
I have the one that Francis hit.
unidentified
Oh, okay.
joe rogan
One that the UFC Performance Institute has where Francis broke the record for the hardest punch.
yves edwards
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
yves edwards
How many lightweights have you had hit that?
joe rogan
None.
The only person that hit it besides Francis is Joe Schilling.
jamie vernon
And you.
joe rogan
Yeah.
jamie vernon
And Brian Cowan fucking around.
unidentified
Brian Cowan.
joe rogan
How dare he.
yves edwards
Brian's got a lot of knockout power, huh?
joe rogan
Alright, it's 3 o'clock.
Let's wrap this up.
So, one more time.
PFL is next, the 11th.
yves edwards
Thursday the 11th.
joe rogan
Thursday the 11th.
yves edwards
ESPN and ESPN Plus.
joe rogan
So, ESPN Plus, if you don't have it, get it.
It's an awesome app.
If you like fights, it's got fucking everything.
All sorts of old school Canelo, Triple G fights.
All sorts of UFC fights.
It's a great app.
It's a great app.
And then it's on ESPN2 for the main card.
yves edwards
And then Plus.
And check out Subfam.
joe rogan
And Thugjitsu MMA. What is your Twitter handle?
yves edwards
Thugjitsu Master.
joe rogan
Thugjitsu Master.
That's right.
And what is your, is that the same for Instagram too?
yves edwards
Instagram, Twitter.
Yeah, that's me.
Everything.
joe rogan
And your new podcast.
Out today.
yves edwards
Sup fam.
Out today.
joe rogan
Out today.
Right there.
yves edwards
You're on YouTube right now.
joe rogan
Thank you brother.
yves edwards
Thank you Joe.
joe rogan
Appreciate you man.
Eve Edwards ladies and gentlemen.
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