Jan. 11, 2011 - The Joe Rogan Experience
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| Boom. | ||
| And we're live. | ||
| You're the first guy with a high top ever to wear these. | ||
| I was wondering whether or not the microphones were going to sit. | ||
| It's perfect. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's just right in there. | ||
| It's like a little crevice. | ||
| It's fluffy, like a little rest area. | ||
| Does having that much hair on the top of your head, is there any benefit of that? | ||
| I think when you get elbowed or anything like that, I think it helps out a ton. | ||
| If you have someone in their guard and they're trying to elbow the top of your head, I would imagine... | ||
| Yeah, it's a little cushion on it, so I think it protects you. | ||
| And I kind of grew out the beard for that same reason, but it doesn't get as burly as I kind of want it to, but it works. | ||
| I think in boxing, they used to make people shave their beard. | ||
| Yeah, that's probably why. | ||
| Impact. | ||
| You know that kid Desi Green? | ||
| I used to live with him. | ||
| He's in the UFC also. | ||
| And whenever I put that guy in the guillotine because he has these big dreads, he would always get out of them because the dreads were like... | ||
| It made his head appear like it was bigger, so you wrap around it, and you squeeze the cushion, and it just compresses, and then his head just slides out of it, completely out. | ||
| It's like a cheat code. | ||
| Slippery. | ||
| Slippery dreadlocks. | ||
| I would also imagine, though, that having a bald head, if you get sweaty, would make it a little greasier. | ||
| If you have stubble on the top of your head, that would provide a little bit of friction. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It makes sense. | ||
| I follow you. | ||
| I follow you on that. | ||
| I haven't had a bald head though, so it's hard for me to know. | ||
| I like how your shirt even has a gold chain on it. | ||
| I was going to wear the big boy chain today, but... | ||
| Why did you not? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| You only carry that out when you fight? | ||
| I usually do. | ||
| I try to keep it not too ridiculous all the time. | ||
| Try to be only in character. | ||
| Make it for a special occasion type of thing. | ||
| I would consider this a special occasion, but... | ||
| I try to make it more of like an MMA thing. | ||
| There's something extra special about a t-shirt with gold chain on it. | ||
| It might be more special than an actual gold chain itself. | ||
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It works. | |
| It works. | ||
| So it's kind of silly. | ||
| Yeah, man. | ||
| How much does that thing weigh, the real one? | ||
| Not very heavy. | ||
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Really? | |
| Not very heavy. | ||
| It looks like it's like 10 pounds. | ||
| Nah, I wish it was 10 pounds. | ||
| That'd be 10 pounds of gold, but it's not. | ||
| So is it like an Easter bunny? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Look at that. | |
| There it is. | ||
| Look at that. | ||
| That thing is massive, right? | ||
| So is it hollow? | ||
| They're like hollow tubes? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I don't think that would be so heavy. | ||
| You would think. | ||
| I get a lot of people that come up to me and start grabbing my chain. | ||
| I'm like, yo, this is supposed to be a mystery to the human mind. | ||
| You're not supposed to know what this feels like. | ||
| That's really light. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Give him the illusion that I spent like $25,000 on a big ass gold rope chain, but nah. | ||
| Well, you remember when Rampage used to wear the motorcycle chain? | ||
| Yeah, the links. | ||
| Yeah, real heavy links around his neck. | ||
| I was going to actually go, there was two routes I was going to go. | ||
| The old school rail with my chain, like the way my dad used to wear it and how we used to wear it when we were kids. | ||
| Or Rampage Jackson and be like the new generation of Rampage Jackson. | ||
| Even though I wasn't like slamming people, but I would have to like somehow work that into it. | ||
| Yeah, that should be sick. | ||
| Still fighting. | ||
| Crazy. | ||
| Crazy. | ||
| You know, still competitive after all these years. | ||
| I mean, Rampage was a fucking pioneer, man. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I remember his fight with Chuck Liddell, his fights with Vanderlei Silva, even the one he lost in Pride. | ||
| When he went through the ropes and then he came back and got redemption, I was like, God, that's got to feel so good because that's like the bad highlight. | ||
| He came back and got a highlight of his own. | ||
| I think he lost to Vanderlei twice in Pride. | ||
| He got stopped twice in Pride and then flatlined Vanderlei in the UFC. Yep. | ||
| I also think... | ||
| Man, it's speculation. | ||
| But I also think that the Vanderlei that he fought in the UFC was the one who got drug tested. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| 100%. | ||
| Different Vanderlei. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I think there's a lot of that for a lot of people, too. | ||
| A lot. | ||
| I don't like... | ||
| Don't like saying it. | ||
| Yeah, I don't like saying it. | ||
| Because you know what it is? | ||
| I feel like I see these people... | ||
| And then it's like, I know you might have heard me say this, so it's like that little awkward tension, and I don't like that, man. | ||
| I know. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, you're a good guy. | ||
| It gets weird, but it is a thing that, if you look at it historically, if you look at the sport in terms of, like, when people look at Barry Bonds, and when they look at Jose Canseco, or when they look at, what is that other dude's name? | ||
| The dude? | ||
| Mark McGuire. | ||
| Yeah, or Sammy Sosa. | ||
| Everyone knows those dudes were juice heads. | ||
| That's just a part of the thing. | ||
| So you go, well, they're amazing baseball players, incredible athletes, also were on the sauce. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Fact. | ||
| Does that take away from it, though? | ||
| That's my... | ||
| It's hard to say, right? | ||
| Because everybody was on it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Do you know there's a great documentary that's out right now by Billy Corbin? | ||
| He's the same guy who did... | ||
| He did Cocaine Cowboys 1 and 2. He's got a new one out about A-Rod. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| What is it called? | ||
| I gotta check that out. | ||
| Screwball? | ||
| Screwball. | ||
| It's hilarious. | ||
| But it's about the players that... | ||
| It's about how debt, how owing a Roy doctor some money, turned into this horrible revelation where they found out how these baseball players were getting their juice from that guy. | ||
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Okay. | |
| Because they owed somebody some money, this guy, and that guy didn't get paid, so he went public with everything. | ||
| So it was like a small amount. | ||
| And they had a bunch of kids, like these little kids, play the doctor and play A-Rod. | ||
| So like in the movie, the reenactments, the reenactments were all done by children. | ||
| That's hysterical. | ||
| I definitely got to check that out. | ||
| It's hilarious. | ||
| It's a funny movie. | ||
| This is funny. | ||
| It's really funny. | ||
| That's A-Rod as a child. | ||
| It's fucking really funny, man. | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
| What's it called? | ||
| Did you say Screwball? | ||
| Screwball, yeah. | ||
| Well, Billy Corbin is a genius. | ||
| He's a really, really great director. | ||
| And he, like I said, he directed two of my favorite cocaine documentaries of all time. | ||
| Cocaine Cowboys 1 and 2. Have you seen those? | ||
| No, no. | ||
| Okay, don't even look at Screwball yet. | ||
| I haven't even seen Narcos. | ||
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Oh, Jesus. | |
| I'm like, I'm trying to catch up. | ||
| There's so much content out there. | ||
| It's hard. | ||
| Do you fuck with Stranger Things? | ||
| I've got to get into that too. | ||
| I just started Black Mirror. | ||
| I'm on season three. | ||
| And that just started like opening my eyes. | ||
| I'm like, man, technology is like... | ||
| Could be used in such fucked up ways. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| The Unabomber was right. | ||
| The Unabomber was correct. | ||
| Yeah, that show fucks me up more than any show. | ||
| Because it's so close to possible. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Especially episode one, season one with the pig. | ||
| Oh yeah, that was intense. | ||
| The one that got me most was Crocodile. | ||
| That one where there's the car accident and they hide the body and then the lady winds up doing all these different things to cover up her crime. | ||
| You can read people's memories. | ||
| You can get people's memories and you can watch them play. | ||
| Oh, rewatch. | ||
| That one I saw, which was freaky. | ||
| Yeah, when the lady did terrible things. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
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I'm like, ah. | |
| Season away. | ||
| Oh, season away. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| Well, I don't want to tell you anything. | ||
| You're going to shit. | ||
| I didn't even ruin it. | ||
| It's that good. | ||
| There is one, though, with the memory. | ||
| Yes, that was the one with the girls cheating. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's fucked up. | ||
| Yeah, it's fucked up. | ||
| That's all coming, man. | ||
| That's all coming. | ||
| I've been talking about this on stage. | ||
| Like, how good is your memory? | ||
| Because my memory is not that good. | ||
| If I try to remember things that happened yesterday, if I had to draw everything I saw yesterday, it's not that good. | ||
| Even if you say your memory is good, it's your recollection of actual things. | ||
| You don't have a video memory. | ||
| But if you had a video memory, that would be the first thing that we surrender. | ||
| If they could put a chip in and say, Al Jermaine, listen, wouldn't it be amazing if you could pull every technique and see it exactly as it should be done? | ||
| You could see it play out in front of your head. | ||
| You could see all of your memories. | ||
| All of them. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| So if your girlfriend says, you told me, and you go, no, no, no, I didn't say that. | ||
| This is what I said. | ||
| I'll play it for you right now. | ||
| That's how they're going to get us. | ||
| Yeah, but it's kind of scary and they showed it. | ||
| The guy was able to freeze frame the guy's memories with his wife. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And then it was like, that's my picture in the background. | ||
| And she was like, oh, it was only like a one week thing. | ||
| And then it was like, only like a one month thing. | ||
| And that turned into like yesterday. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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That's fucked up. | |
| It was fucked up. | ||
| It's good though. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't think I want that. | ||
| That would be- I want it. | ||
| I want to know. | ||
| I want to know what I'm dealing with. | ||
| I think we're going to... | ||
| I don't think it's... | ||
| I don't think we have a choice. | ||
| I think it's coming. | ||
| I think it's inevitable. | ||
| I'm going to rebel. | ||
| You're going to? | ||
| The great rebellion. | ||
| I'll be the leader. | ||
| Imagine if like... | ||
| They just figure out... | ||
| I mean, when you're thinking about people that have CTE and brain damage and car accidents and football and fighting and all these different things, what if they say, listen, listen, we'd fix all that. | ||
| Fix all that with this chip. | ||
| It rewires the whole brain, you're fine, and it provides you with that video memory. | ||
| So you could have your entire MMA career, never worry about CTE. You could just swing for the fences. | ||
| Right? | ||
| Like Lamas and Max Holloway did. | ||
| Just stand in the middle of the octagon, swing, no worries! | ||
| And just bang. | ||
| But then, if you did that, then what about Parkinson's or anything like that? | ||
| Would that still be a thing? | ||
| Good point. | ||
| I mean, if that wasn't a thing, then I'd be all for it. | ||
| Also, oddly enough, I think that part of what makes MMA so exciting is that there are crazy consequences. | ||
| It's part of the reasons why when you see Masvidal knocks out Ben Askren with that flying knee... | ||
| Part of why it was so exciting, like, oh, he's hurt bad. | ||
| It's not that he's going to be fine. | ||
| There's no damage from this whatsoever. | ||
| No, that's real damage. | ||
| He went out cold instantly, and then he got punched in the face twice. | ||
| It's terrible, but it's part of what makes the sport so exciting, is that you realize these guys are so brave to face these potential consequences. | ||
| It makes it... | ||
| It makes it, it's like an added element of danger that makes it exciting. | ||
| It's very true, but it's, man, I felt so bad for him when I saw that, because it kind of brought back memories for myself. | ||
| I was like, ah, I know exactly what that moment feels like. | ||
| I don't remember it, but I know exactly what that moment feels like. | ||
| When you fought Marais, do you remember what happened up to that? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And you just don't remember it landing? | ||
| I saw it like right before it lands, and it was like, you know in those movies when it goes, it was at this very moment. | ||
| He realized. | ||
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He fucked up. | |
| That's exactly what that was for me. | ||
| And out like a light, man. | ||
| And I didn't, like, come to and, like, I mean, I woke up, but I didn't come to, like, actually remember, like, shit, I was in a fistfight and I lost, like, really bad, like, really quick when I got into the hospital. | ||
| Oh, that's when you realized it. | ||
| Yeah, I heard Ben say the same thing. | ||
| I was like, oh, this is not just me. | ||
| I guess it's just a really bad knockout. | ||
| Him shooting forward and Masvidal jumping into him like a car crash, man. | ||
| And Masvidal's running full clip. | ||
| That was a 40-yard dash. | ||
| Running full clip and perfect placement of the knee. | ||
| I mean, you don't get a cleaner knockout. | ||
| No. | ||
| And just the way he did it, he was showing a video of him practicing it and saying he had three different scenarios of how that situation could have went. | ||
| That's masterful thinking and tactical. | ||
| There's not a lot of people who are that cerebral when it comes to the game. | ||
| And I think the way he broke that down was just super impressive. | ||
| And he kind of lulled him to sleep like his hands behind his back. | ||
| I loved every second of that. | ||
| Because you weren't sure what was about to happen. | ||
| I was on the edge of my seat. | ||
| That was my main event fight. | ||
| And then he just comes out, takes a side step, like just drifts off to the right. | ||
| And then boom! | ||
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40-yard dash and flying knee KO. It was just as much a main event for me too. | |
| Because it's so important for the welterweight division. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Whereas like, Jon Jones versus Tiago Santos, it was an interesting fight, and it turned out to be a great fight, but it was an interesting fight because you're like, okay, how is Jon Jones going to beat this guy, and is this guy going to be wild enough to catch Jon Jones? | ||
| But when you looked at it on paper, Jon was a prohibitive favorite. | ||
| When you looked at Askren versus Masvidal, you're like, man, I don't know. | ||
| When I looked at Holly and Amanda, I'm like, Holly's a great champion and she's a great fighter, but Amanda's so goddamn good, it's almost like she doesn't have anybody else left to fight. | ||
| It's not like Holly had made this incredible case for her being the one to challenge Amanda next. | ||
| It was just that Amanda's kind of cleaned out that bantamweight division. | ||
| Yeah, she fought one person. | ||
| She beat Megan Anderson, and I felt like she struggled with that fight. | ||
| I felt like she'd done really well when she was able to get Megan down to the ground. | ||
| But when she was in the clinch, she ate a lot of knees. | ||
| This is Holly. | ||
| And then she tried to do the same thing the previous fight with Cyborg, and she ate a lot of knees in the clinch, trying to slow Cyborg down. | ||
| It just didn't work out in her favor. | ||
| So when that matchup was announced, I was like, Holly's going to either stay on her bike the entire time and just try to point fight, or it's just not going to end up good. | ||
| And sure enough, that's what happened. | ||
| Yeah, I thought she was going to probably try to stay on her bike as well and throw kicks from the outside, but I guess Amanda had planned for it. | ||
| That's why she caught her with her leg up. | ||
| If you see the way she landed that round kick, she caught her with her leg up. | ||
| She was pressing with that side kick, and then boom! | ||
| She caught her with that roundhouse kick right across the top. | ||
| And Holly's such a good girl. | ||
| She's such a good person. | ||
| She's almost too nice. | ||
| You feel bad for her. | ||
| Yeah, but I know what you mean. | ||
| She didn't make a great case, like you said... | ||
| For the title fight, but there was really no one else for her to... | ||
| There's nobody. | ||
| Well, once she beat up Raquel Pennington the way she did, and then once she goes up and destroys Cyborg, it's like, who else is there? | ||
| I mean, Raquel Pennington is like as tough as they come. | ||
| And she was battering her. | ||
| The way she put away Ronda, the way she put away Misha, she just smashes people. | ||
| It's scary. | ||
| I think it's her... | ||
| Shevchenko, Cyborg, and then everybody else. | ||
| I think you're 100% right. | ||
| I think that's an interesting fight. | ||
| She might decide... | ||
| I don't know if she can make 125, but if she just... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| That's a lot. | ||
| She's a big girl. | ||
| But if she decides, or if Shevchenko decides to step up one more time to 135 and tries to become champ champ and beat her, I mean, they had a really fucking close fight, especially that second fight. | ||
| That second fight was very, very close. | ||
| I didn't know who to even really score for. | ||
| Yeah, and Valentina made a case at the end that she thought that she had won, but it was a very good fight. | ||
| The point is, Shevchenko, obviously, when you see her knock out Jessica Ai, who used to be a top bantamweight contender herself, she's one of the rare girls that, like Amanda and like Cyborg, can flatline women with one shot. | ||
| That's scary, man. | ||
| It's scary. | ||
| Those ladies hit hard. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And her kicking technique is just exemplary. | ||
| Valentina is just so good on her feet. | ||
| Her kicking is so nasty, man. | ||
| She has one of the cleanest spinning back kicks in the sport. | ||
| You don't even see it coming. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I like the way she hops up and down. | ||
| It kind of reminds me of like a little Koopa in Mario Brothers because she's like hopping and she's moving, sidestepping, check hook, boom, boom, spinning back kick out of nowhere. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's like she's a weird combination of Muay Thai and karate. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| She's got traditional martial art techniques but like rock solid Muay Thai too. | ||
| It's the dancing, I think. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I think it's the dancing. | ||
| Well, you know, that's Lomachenko's secret. | ||
| That's one of his secrets. | ||
| I haven't heard. | ||
| Amazing boxing technique. | ||
| His dad made him dance, like traditional, I think Ukrainian dancing. | ||
| Make sure that's right. | ||
| I don't want to fuck that up. | ||
| It's like some kind of traditional Russian dancing for like four years. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Now, I heard that he made him stop boxing for a bit so that he could focus on dancing. | ||
| That's what he did for four years. | ||
| Yeah, that's crazy. | ||
| Makes sense, I guess. | ||
| The footwork and everything. | ||
| Who the fuck is going to do that, though? | ||
| If they said, Aljamain, listen, how old are you now? | ||
| How old are you now? | ||
| I'm 30 at the end of this month. | ||
| Okay, 34 is your prime. | ||
| This is what we're going to do. | ||
| The next four years, you're just going to dance. | ||
| You'd be like, what? | ||
| What the fuck are you talking about? | ||
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I'm going to fight. | |
| I'm in the hunt for the title right now. | ||
| I'm that close. | ||
| You're that close. | ||
| Especially after Henry Cejudo just beat Marlon Marais. | ||
| Like, holy shit. | ||
| Doors wide open. | ||
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Where are we? | |
| Where are we? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| This is a whole... | ||
| We got a double champ situation here, right? | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| Crazy. | ||
| So crazy. | ||
| That division's wide open. | ||
| I love how much the band and weight division has heated up. | ||
| It's been such a crazy ride for myself and just being a part of this and being able to see the wave and generations of different fighters coming in and out. | ||
| I was talking about it... | ||
| El Nino, you know, Gilbert Melendez and seeing like when he was on the top and now he's kind of like his fight last fight with Arnold Allen is kind of like you can kind of see like the passing of the guard or maybe maybe he's just not a because I know he popped for some type of PD also so maybe that was something to do with it or maybe 35 I think or 36 yeah and Arnold Allen's 25 and fucking nasty young bull yeah and he's being trained by Faraz Zahabi who I mean I don't think there's anybody better Yeah. | ||
| In terms of trainers, I think there's like just as good or in the neighborhood of good, but he's the fucking man as far as I'm concerned. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And there's just a lot of hot prospects just coming out. | ||
| And then you got the Corey Sanhagans, even Rivera. | ||
| I know Rivera lost two fights in a row now, but he's still as tough as they come. | ||
| He was beating Peter Yan until he got dropped at rounds one and two. | ||
| He won round three, even having his nose busted up and everything. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Piotr Jan, though, man, he is a seasoned striker. | ||
| It's really interesting to see him with a guy like Jimmy, who relies on his power and his toughness and his bulldog tenacity, to see him get lit up in those two rounds. | ||
| Jan just set traps and looked for openings, and then when he finally found them, he just cracks them. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, it's a really exciting division right now. | ||
| Real exciting. | ||
| That might be my next fight, though. | ||
| Him? | ||
| For the belt. | ||
| I would think that would be the next fight. | ||
| And I kind of like that matchup. | ||
| He actually tried to punk me at the UFC PI Center last week. | ||
| It was funny at the same time. | ||
| I was like, dude, I'm not really understanding. | ||
| And then on my left side, I'm getting worked on. | ||
| I got Yuna Kaskaya, whatever her name is. | ||
| She's on my left side, and she's getting worked on. | ||
| And then I didn't know there were teammates. | ||
| So he comes in. | ||
| He's at the mirror. | ||
| He's doing like the thumb thing, like slashing his throat. | ||
| I start busting out laughing and I show him the belt and I start slashing my throat. | ||
| I'm like, yeah, I'm going to get the strap, whatever. | ||
| So then he comes in. | ||
| He comes in with his camera crew and it starts to go a little bit back and forth, but I can't understand. | ||
| He doesn't really speak English. | ||
| So I guess he says something and then she translated out of nowhere. | ||
| So I'm like, I'm getting ganged up on right now. | ||
| And then she's like, he says, why are you afraid to fight him in Moscow? | ||
| And I was like, whoa, where did I just come from? | ||
| But then I look back at him like, tell him no one's afraid to fight him. | ||
| And then after I thought about it, I was like, wait. | ||
| Motherfucker, who's ranked higher? | ||
| You don't call the shots. | ||
| I call the shots. | ||
| I was like, you're not Dana White. | ||
| You're not Sean Shelby. | ||
| You fight where I say you're going to fight or wherever Dana says we're going to fight. | ||
| So don't sit here and try to act like anyone's afraid to fight you. | ||
| I'm like, one, I don't want to go to Moscow to fight. | ||
| That's one. | ||
| I will openly admit that. | ||
| Does he live in Russia? | ||
| He lives in, I think he's from Siberia, from what I know. | ||
| But I know he trains Tiger Muay Thai. | ||
| Okay, that's right. | ||
| So he trains in Thailand, and he lives, or he's from the coldest, most dangerous part of the world. | ||
| Great. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I'm not looking to go there and fight their guy. | ||
| I'm like... | ||
| I mean, if I have to, I will. | ||
| Is there a Moscow card scheduled? | ||
| There was talkings of it in, I think, November. | ||
| Oh, upcoming? | ||
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Yeah, yeah. | |
| Oh, wow. | ||
| It would be a cool experience, but it's not an ideal thing for me in terms of financial situation, getting out there, paying the taxes. | ||
| I'm like, dude, that's just... | ||
| I'd just rather be home. | ||
| I don't care where we fight. | ||
| I'd fight him in the fucking bathroom. | ||
| I would have fought him in the PI Center if he deserved it, but it is what it is. | ||
| I'm like, dude, no one's afraid of you. | ||
| I'm a fighter. | ||
| I don't understand when fighters try to intimidate fighters and make it look like we fight in a cage. | ||
| It's like, dude, but it does work. | ||
| The thing is, fucking with people's heads is real. | ||
| Yeah, this is true. | ||
| It is true. | ||
| The best example, Jose Aldo is one of the greatest fighters of all time. | ||
| I really believe that he was out of his composure when he fought Conor. | ||
| And that's one of the reasons why he charged after Conor and Conor cracked him with that straight left. | ||
| It's like Conor was in his head. | ||
| That he was working in the back room when he was like this, bouncing, bouncing. | ||
| That's unreal. | ||
| Unreal. | ||
| Unreal. | ||
| I mean, he planned it out. | ||
| He knew it was coming. | ||
| It's like Masvidal practicing that flying knee against Askren. | ||
| It's really similar. | ||
| It's like you know tendencies and you also know emotions. | ||
| And he just wanted to get at it. | ||
| Connor so bad. | ||
| Connor knew he was coming. | ||
| So you give him some feints, hop around, throw some sidekicks, hop around. | ||
| Knows he's coming. | ||
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Bang! | |
| And as he's coming, catches him. | ||
| Perfect timing. | ||
| Catches him coming in. | ||
| And again, similar because they're both coming at each other. | ||
| Yeah, charging in and getting caught. | ||
| Crazy. | ||
| Car crash. | ||
| But I don't know if he really thinks he's going to intimidate me. | ||
| I don't know if that's what he thinks. | ||
| I'm like, dude, he's trying it. | ||
| It's a time-honored, proven tactic. | ||
| You get inside someone's head, they get angry. | ||
| And one or two things happens. | ||
| Either they fuck you up more, because now they're really personal about it, like Masvidal, or it bothers them. | ||
| Some people genuinely lose their composure if they don't like a fighter. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Cowboy used to have problems with that. | ||
| I would say that. | ||
| Cowboy and Nate Diaz. | ||
| That was an insane fight. | ||
| And that was... | ||
| I think that's the last time he probably ever let himself get mad. | ||
| He said something like that. | ||
| Well, it was a learning experience. | ||
| You know, he realized that, like, that shit talking fucked with his head. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But there's some guys who do better when they shit talk. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I think I perform better when there's more on the line. | ||
| Like, when Pedro was talking... | ||
| Shit, to me, I didn't really understand it. | ||
| I was like, dude, all I did was ask whatever happened with the results of your drug test. | ||
| And that turned into, oh, fuck him. | ||
| He's a bitch if he said that. | ||
| What happened? | ||
| Did he have a... | ||
| Yeah, he popped for something in 2015 when he was four in Nova Scotia. | ||
| What was it? | ||
| Was it a diuretic? | ||
| It was that year. | ||
| There was like three or four guys from Black House MMA that all popped for something. | ||
| And I can't remember all the names. | ||
| I know Kevin Casey was one of them. | ||
| Pedro was one of them. | ||
| I think there was like two more other guys. | ||
| I think Silver might have been one of them. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And it was one more guy. | ||
| Did you ever see Anderson's trainer? | ||
| No, no. | ||
| Is he jacked? | ||
| Dude, he's not just jacked. | ||
| He's jacked and he's like 68. He's old as the pyramids and built like a brick shithouse. | ||
| This dude is fucking stacked. | ||
| I mean, full six-pack, giant pecs, arms. | ||
| Squall as fuck. | ||
| Jamie will pull up a picture of him. | ||
| Picture him doing a selfie. | ||
| I mean, look at that guy. | ||
| Come on, son. | ||
| Come on, son. | ||
| That dude is jackmified. | ||
| Dude, his abs look like a turtle shell. | ||
| Looked like a ninja turtle. | ||
| Yeah, like you'd roundhouse kick him there and he would laugh at you. | ||
| He ain't going nowhere. | ||
| He'd laugh at you. | ||
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Ha, ha, ha. | |
| Yeah, that's like a dude in 300 that comes down your head with an axe. | ||
| Dude, that's serious. | ||
| Yeah, so that was Anderson's trainer. | ||
| That dude is... | ||
| Most likely aware of some Mexican supplements. | ||
| Probably. | ||
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Most likely. | |
| I would say so. | ||
| I would say so. | ||
| I mean, come on, man. | ||
| That guy is... | ||
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Whoa! | |
| Yeah. | ||
| Apparently a very good trainer too. | ||
| So he was the strength and conditioning guy for Anderson and for a lot of the Black House guys. | ||
| Giving him a lot of strength. | ||
| He gave him a lot of strength. | ||
| He gave him a lot of strength. | ||
| Speaking of strength, did you hear Mark Coleman and Ken Shamrock are going to fight in some new bare knuckle boxing promotion? | ||
| I didn't even see that announcement. | ||
| Just today. | ||
| Oh my lord, no. | ||
| I was like, oh no. | ||
| How do we save this? | ||
| I think Eddie Bravo sent it to me. | ||
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And I just looked at it, I took a deep sigh, like... | |
| I don't like seeing stuff like that. | ||
| It makes me sad. | ||
| It makes me wonder if I'm going to be like that when I get older. | ||
| I hope to God not... | ||
| I hope when I walk away, I just fucking walk away. | ||
| I hope so too, but then again, if they're in a situation where they need money and something comes up like this and they're willing to do it, why do I give a fuck? | ||
| Why is it a thing where I'm cool with young guys doing it if they need money, but I'm not cool with guys that are 50 doing it if they need money? | ||
| Is it... | ||
| I see your point. | ||
| You know what I'm saying? | ||
| But it's like seeing the guy in their physical state and you're like, dude, you should not be doing this. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So it's like you're watching... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't really have an analogy for this right now. | ||
| I know exactly what you're saying, though. | ||
| It's like you hope that they find a better life and they hit the finish line. | ||
| They're like, thank you very much. | ||
| They're in the Hall of Fame. | ||
| And then they move on. | ||
| That's what you hope. | ||
| I'm hoping that's what I do. | ||
| Get the fuck out. | ||
| Some people can do it. | ||
| Make my money. | ||
| My favorite example in all of combat sports is marvelous Marvin Hagler. | ||
| Marvin Hagler, when he lost to Sugar Ray Leonard in a very disputed decision, said, that's it, I'm done. | ||
| Just walked away, never came back. | ||
| A rematch with Sugar Ray Leonard would have been bananas. | ||
| He would have made so much money. | ||
| He was a middleweight champion. | ||
| Loses one fight and he's like, I'm done. | ||
| I'm going to be a movie star in Italy. | ||
| He moved to Italy and just never fought again. | ||
| And he talks perfect now. | ||
| When you hear him talk, he's got no brain damage. | ||
| Or if he does, you can't tell by the way he's talking. | ||
| He sounds fine. | ||
| I mean, a lot of this stuff they say sets in later on in life. | ||
| But Marvin's in his late 60s. | ||
| I hope to be him. | ||
| I hope to be that guy. | ||
| I try to do a good job of bobbing and weaving, moving my head, slipping off the center line. | ||
| You throw a lot of kicks too. | ||
| You keep guys on the outside. | ||
| You have a weird style, man. | ||
| You're too close, man. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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That's what it is. | |
| You're too close, man. | ||
| You're too close, man. | ||
| Back the fuck up. | ||
| Did you start out from a... | ||
| I mean, I know you have a wrestling base too. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| What did you start out with? | ||
| What was your first martial art? | ||
| I didn't have any. | ||
| We... | ||
| You know the karate, kung fu, like VHS tapes? | ||
| I shit you not. | ||
| I have a family of... | ||
| I think there's 20 of us now. | ||
| My dad just had a newborn son. | ||
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No! | |
| I shit you not. | ||
| He's 57. The guy is out of his fucking bird. | ||
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Wow. | |
| But he just had a newborn son. | ||
| I haven't even met him yet. | ||
| That's one. | ||
| And all the boys grew up. | ||
| We had these karate tapes, VHS tapes, and we would imitate the characters. | ||
| And we'll be like, we're the drunken master or we're the white tiger, white lion. | ||
| And we have to do their fight styles. | ||
| And we're like little kids. | ||
| So we're still flexible and, you know, malleable. | ||
| We like don't break as easily. | ||
| So we just start beating the shit out of each other. | ||
| But we do like spinning back cakes, jumping off the couches and shit like that. | ||
| And I think that might have translated because that was like we did that for years. | ||
| But that was the most combat we did. | ||
| We didn't do any wrestling, nothing traditional at all. | ||
| Before I ever got into martial arts, I used to do that same thing. | ||
| I used to throw kicks with my friends. | ||
| I didn't know what I was doing. | ||
| But it was fun. | ||
| But yeah, you watch a Bruce Lee movie and start throwing kicks or some Chuck Norris film or something like that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You learn how to do stuff by watching, but you can also develop some terrible habits. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| But you don't look like you developed any bad habits. | ||
| Like if I had to guess, I would say you have a traditional martial arts background. | ||
| In what? | ||
| The way you throw kicks. | ||
| Like you throw kicks like a guy who started throwing kicks when you were really young. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But they're right. | ||
| You throw them right. | ||
| Which ones would you say? | ||
| All your shit. | ||
| Your roundhouse kicks, your front kicks. | ||
| You have great front kicks, man. | ||
| You're really good at keeping guys off of you. | ||
| You have good movement. | ||
| You've got a style that's a unique style. | ||
| So when guys have to fight you, they go, oh, this guy is going to be kicking at me from the outside. | ||
| He moves a lot. | ||
| He bobs and weaves. | ||
| It's hard to hit. | ||
| You've got a lot going on with your style. | ||
| It's very tiring. | ||
| I was going to ask you that. | ||
| I was going to ask you that. | ||
| Because we called that in your last fight, like the third round, you were kind of slowing down a little bit. | ||
| I'm like, imagine all the energy this guy's using. | ||
| Because you're always bobbing and weaving and moving and kicking and moving and kicking and moving. | ||
| And Munjos is just, you know, bobbing towards you and throwing traditional type shit. | ||
| Bobbing his head, too. | ||
| If you looked at energy output, how much more energy you must have put out in that fight than he did, just in terms of the amount of kicks you throw and the amount of jumping back and forth and leaping in and leaping out. | ||
| That's all plyometrics. | ||
| It's a ton. | ||
| And the good thing is credit to the training that we do. | ||
| I get the right work. | ||
| I got that guy, Marab, who's a freaking psycho. | ||
| That guy does not. | ||
| We call him the machine for a reason. | ||
| He would finish sparring with me, and I'm like, I did my rounds, championship work, I'm done. | ||
| I'm just going to get on the bike or hit the pads, whatever it is, or band work, just to get an extra cardio push. | ||
| And he'll be in there and grab two, three, sometimes four more bodies to spar with. | ||
| And I'm like... | ||
| This guy just doesn't fucking stop. | ||
| He's out of his fucking bird. | ||
| This is no exaggeration. | ||
| This guy is out of his fucking bird. | ||
| But it's the reason why my cardio... | ||
| I'm like, you want to get your cardio top-notch? | ||
| Get yourself a fucking Marab. | ||
| Get yourself one of those guys. | ||
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That dude loves you. | |
| He's a man. | ||
| He's a good dude. | ||
| He's a good dude. | ||
| Sometimes too much of a good dude. | ||
| I'm like, Marab... | ||
| I can carry my own wallet. | ||
| It gets to the point where I'm like, dude, thank you. | ||
| I appreciate it. | ||
| It's a very tiring style, but we do a lot of work. | ||
| I do my own strength and conditioning just from having a background in physical education in SUNY Cortland. | ||
| You do your own? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I've been doing it since I was an amateur, writing my own thing, my own program, because they taught us how to work on isometric squeezes. | ||
| Different type of explosive muscle endurance workouts and stuff like static holds, like holding on a pull-up bar and going out to punches. | ||
| So I put together a pretty decent program. | ||
| It's been working. | ||
| I can't complain. | ||
| So when you do it, how do you design it? | ||
| Do you design it for the entire camp? | ||
| Do you set it out every day where you want to be? | ||
| And do you adjust it depending on how you feel and injuries? | ||
| How do you schedule all that? | ||
| Exactly like that. | ||
| So when I'm further out from the camp or not in camp at all, I'll do more lifting. | ||
| And I'll lift heavy. | ||
| I don't really do benching no more. | ||
| I think that shit's stupid for fighters. | ||
| It doesn't make a whole lot of sense. | ||
| I'm not going to bench press somebody off my back. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Whatever. | ||
| I'll do that and I'll adjust the training camp and adjust the programs when I get closer to the fight. | ||
| I don't mind sharing this because I think... | ||
| Guys, they make it more complicated than what it should be. | ||
| Like, sometimes I see all this crazy shit. | ||
| I'm like, I just don't understand the whole necessity behind needing that. | ||
| But I'm no physical strength conditioning doctorate or anything like that. | ||
| But from what I've seen that works for me, I just try to mimic everything that I feel in a fight and implement it into a workout. | ||
| And I figure out which ways I could do that, whether it's bands. | ||
| Push-ups, box jumps, wall sits. | ||
| I do wall sits get-ups with two plates. | ||
| So I'm sitting down on my butt, and I do like a technical stand-up. | ||
| And I use the wall and I push-ups, so it's a lot of leg work, a lot of core work. | ||
| With two plates. | ||
| With two plates. | ||
| It's fucked up. | ||
| Sometimes I come there, and I do it by myself in the morning. | ||
| I go to Law MMA by myself. | ||
| 9am and I'm like, why am I putting myself through this? | ||
| It could be so much easier and more simple just to do the other stuff like the plyometric stuff, which has not as much impact on the body, but this is what I enjoy. | ||
| I think this is what translates to the fight because this is what I feel. | ||
| And I feel when I do this, I notice a drastic difference from one sparring session to the next. | ||
| But to answer your question, like... | ||
| I adjust it. | ||
| If my legs are on fire and I feel like they're really beat up from sparring, I'll do more upper body. | ||
| And then if I feel my upper body is more beat up, I'll switch it off to the lower body. | ||
| And if I feel like I'm fresh, like I had a good week, maybe I didn't spar on a Saturday, and I come in fresh on a Monday, I'll hit it hard and do full body, everything, and I'll give myself five rounds of pushing it. | ||
| But I'll separate it into rounds. | ||
| Simulate the fight for rounds. | ||
| So... | ||
| I do every single minute, but I'll do about 40, depending on how far I am from the fight. | ||
| If I'm just starting a training camp, I don't want to kill myself. | ||
| I want to ease my way into it. | ||
| So I'll start anywhere from 30, 35 seconds to 50 seconds. | ||
| And that 10-second window or that other 30-second window is my time to recover and get to the next station. | ||
| And I'll just rep. | ||
| Whatever I'm doing, burn it out, burn it out. | ||
| I'll do... | ||
| The med ball between my legs. | ||
| I'll do the foam roller in my arms and I'll squeeze it. | ||
| I'll simulate the rear neck and choke and I do it for two minute intervals. | ||
| And I'm just squeezing the piss out of it. | ||
| And obviously you can't do it, but you do it to failure. | ||
| And your arms get tired, you switch and go to the other side. | ||
| And you switch your legs, you figure forward, you scissor the legs. | ||
| So you give yourself a different type of stimulation to your body to kind of account for everything that you may possibly be in for the fight. | ||
| And you never know. | ||
| This fight, I did a lot of grappling, but I also did a lot of punching because I thought to myself... | ||
| There might be a possibility that I do not get Pager to the ground. | ||
| And I was happy I didn't force the takedowns because that would have fatigued me even more. | ||
| I was like, if it comes, it comes. | ||
| But I did a lot of output just burning out the arms, getting that muscle endurance, kind of using that Floyd Mayweather Structure of a workout, just getting the heavy back count, like high punch count in a five-minute round, and I'll do that for a couple rounds. | ||
| We do that a couple times a week, and I think you implement that with the lateral footwork that we do in the cage and just staying on your bike and having people stalk you and just not going crazy, but it's control. | ||
| They're throwing punches like hooks or they're throwing a one-two, and you got to bounce side to side and get out the way. | ||
| So it's a lot of... | ||
| At least I think it's practical for what you're going to actually see when you get in a fight. | ||
| And I think sure enough, a lot of the things we did pretty much happened in a fight. | ||
| I think long squeezes is a great idea. | ||
| Oh, it's insane. | ||
| Because that's something that comes up often in a fight, where you maybe got a guy in an arm triangle or something like that, and it's that close to whether you get it or he escapes. | ||
| It's like, how much squeeze, how long can you keep it down? | ||
| You know when you're caught in something? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And it's like you're almost kind of tapping, the guy lets go. | ||
| You're like, woo! | ||
| If you just held it a little bit longer. | ||
| Yeah, long squeezes. | ||
| Like my friend Scott Epstein, Einstein, he teaches at 10th Planet, West LA. | ||
| He's always been a big fan of slow, slow workouts. | ||
| Like he'll do chin-ups like this, like super slow. | ||
| I think that's what they call it, super slow. | ||
| And he'll do chin-ups like he's doing a chin-up. | ||
| It might take him two minutes to do a fucking chin-up. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| For the entire time. | ||
| So like when you're grappling with someone, it's like you're trying to squeeze it and pull them in. | ||
| You've got that long-term squeeze endurance. | ||
| It's like quicksand. | ||
| Yeah, it makes sense. | ||
| If everything is fast and exploding, but then you get a rear naked and you have to continue to compress or a guillotine, you continue to squeeze. | ||
| It's different. | ||
| It's such a different feel. | ||
| It kind of reminds me, it is exactly like my Brian Carraway fight. | ||
| Although I did do three workouts on the day of that fight before the fight, even Matt told me in the back room, he's like, Aljo, save something for the fight. | ||
| I was like, no man, I'm good. | ||
| I was just going crazy. | ||
| In my head, I'm like, I did all the work, but I just wanted to be so prepared. | ||
| Because I knew it was the biggest fight of my life. | ||
| I knew if I beat him and finished him, I was probably going to get a title shot. | ||
| I was 4-0, undefeated, coming off three finishes. | ||
| And I knew if I finished him, I'm more than likely going to get... | ||
| And they lined me up, too. | ||
| Because the next week, I went to Fox, and I was supposed to talk about the Dominick Cruz fight versus Uriah Faber fight, which I went, but the fight didn't go my way. | ||
| So it kind of had a bittersweet taste to it. | ||
| Do you think it had anything to do with the extra rounds you put in or the extra work? | ||
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Did it tire you out? | |
| 100%. | ||
| I think if I had just done my one morning shakeout, 15-20 minutes, it was what I do now. | ||
| Just get the food moving through my system so that my body can get like, just feel like it's more alive again like it does during training camp. | ||
| I think that fight easily done in first round or even the second because he survived the first. | ||
| But I think the second round, I think I'd get him out of there. | ||
| But it's just experience, you know, learning and becoming more mature about the game and trusting your training. | ||
| Do you think that has anything to do with you training yourself? | ||
| Do you think that if you have a legit strength and conditioning coach who's monitoring your heart rate, are you monitoring your heart rate and all that stuff? | ||
| No. | ||
| I just started doing stuff with the PI Center and I tried to, because I saw that guy Brendan Davis, he's 45 or 40 to beat and he's a big fucking dude! | ||
| He's 135. Which is insane to me. | ||
| I don't know how he makes it. | ||
| That's what I said. | ||
| So I'm like, dude, if I'm going to have to be finding these giant guys, I need to figure something out. | ||
| And they explained how he was able to cut the weight, like he was running like 10 miles or something. | ||
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A day. | |
| A day, which was insane to me. | ||
| I know he was saying some of it was like walking, but it's all about your heart rate, your resting heart rate, where you burn the most fat and calories or whatever you want to call it. | ||
| He's so big. | ||
| When I was standing next to him, I couldn't believe he makes 135. It's insane. | ||
| I was actually pretty upset. | ||
| I was like, fuck this guy. | ||
| Go back up to your weight class. | ||
| There he is right there. | ||
| And didn't he say that he weighed... | ||
| I think I asked him what he weighed in the cage. | ||
| I think he said somewhere around 160. Yeah. | ||
| I don't get that big. | ||
| What does he say? | ||
| I'll look. | ||
| I'll check. | ||
| It's bananas, man. | ||
| He's so gigantic. | ||
| And he's, what are you, like 6'1 or something like that? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Crazy for that weight class. | ||
| I don't want to fight a guy that's 6'1. | ||
| I got the unfair advantage right now. | ||
| Take your ass back out to 45. There's a device that I've been using called a Whoop. | ||
| And it measures your heart rate variability. | ||
| It measures your heart rate. | ||
| It measures your sleep cycle. | ||
| You wear it while you're sleeping. | ||
| And they say that that's one of the things that really determines whether or not you can push hard is monitoring your heart rate on a daily basis so that you see what it's like when you wake up. | ||
| So say if you wake up and your resting heart rate is like 40 beats per minute or something like that, if one day it's 50. You need to chill. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That day was maybe active recovery, maybe just do some light drills, nothing crazy, but you can't push it that day because you're already 10. So you might be getting sick or you might be worn out and you need to give yourself enough recovery. | ||
| I've gotten sick a lot in my last three training camps. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Something I've never experienced or dealt with before. | ||
| Tonsillitis twice. | ||
| I'm like, this is unreal. | ||
| I've never had to deal with anything like that before in my life. | ||
| I bet that has something to do with it, man. | ||
| I bet if you just monitor your heart rate and make sure that when you're waking up in the morning, it's not too high. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because sometimes you just say, look... | ||
| You're a fucking professional fighter, man. | ||
| You're tough. | ||
| You have to assume that maybe sometimes you're too tough for your own good. | ||
| Because fighters are so fucking tough, they're not complaining about shit. | ||
| They're like, time to go to work. | ||
| I'm not a pussy. | ||
| Even if I don't feel like going to work, I'm going to work. | ||
| That's my mindset. | ||
| Yeah, of course. | ||
| I even talked to Tony Ricci. | ||
| He does some of the strength and conditioning with, like, Caitlin Chukagin and some of the other fighters, Oka Sasaki and the other guys at the gym. | ||
| And I always pick his brain. | ||
| Like, whenever I have questions, because, like I said, I'm not... | ||
| This is not my field, my expertise. | ||
| I've just been using the same program, just changing it up. | ||
| And I still work out from other people. | ||
| And I ask them questions and ask them for some things that I could tweak within my training session. | ||
| But of late, I've been doing better with taking more days off, like, two days back-to-back. | ||
| There's one time I even took three days off, and I was like... | ||
| So nervous. | ||
| You get in your own head like, dude, you're taking off way too much time. | ||
| And sometimes Ray has a way of breaking my balls and he goes, I don't know, Aljo. | ||
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Aljo! | |
| He's like, this is a big fight. | ||
| I don't know, Aljo. | ||
| Are you going to take another day off? | ||
| I'm like, oh my God. | ||
| Don't do that to me because then I feel... | ||
| I know he's just playing, but sometimes I feel like... | ||
| It's hard to know if he's playing or not. | ||
| I think you're being serious. | ||
| He's so old school. | ||
| He really is. | ||
| Him and Matt Serra. | ||
| Ray Longo and Matt Serra in the corner. | ||
| The most entertaining corner of all time. | ||
| They're the best. | ||
| They're hilarious. | ||
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They're the best guys. | |
| It's so funny. | ||
| They should have a reality show. | ||
| Just them in the corner giving fighters instructions. | ||
| They're amazing. | ||
| I'm hoping they can get something. | ||
| That would be sick if they ever got a reality show. | ||
| Even something with the team. | ||
| I think that would be fun. | ||
| We've got a bunch of characters. | ||
| Oh, I'm sure. | ||
| Every fight camp does, right? | ||
| You've got to be an interesting person to want to do that for a living. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Here they are. | ||
| Dude, sometimes I would just listen to the, I just like listening to the feedback so I can hear them screaming in the corner and you can just hear Matt going off like, yes, Aljo! | ||
| That's it, Aljo! | ||
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Show them who you are! | |
| Whenever they're in the corner together, I always say, I always tell the guy in the booth, go to Sarah and Longo. | ||
| Go, go, go. | ||
| I want to hear them. | ||
| Dude, that last one was great. | ||
| The ESPN guys, they posted like a little clip of them in the corner when Matt comes in and Ray comes in. | ||
| He's like, fuck yeah! | ||
| I was like, dude, I got pumped up. | ||
| And they tweeted something like, get yourself a corner like Matt and Ray. | ||
| Best. | ||
| That was the best. | ||
| They're amazing people. | ||
| They're just great guys, too. | ||
| There's so many great corners now. | ||
| It's really interesting to see this sport evolve. | ||
| And that's why when you get a bad corner, it stands out like a sore thumb. | ||
| When someone gets bad advice, they don't get good technical advice, or they don't get honest advice in their corner, it's like, wow. | ||
| And all the other fighters get the chance to see that. | ||
| That's your advertisement, right? | ||
| Like, when you're... | ||
| Like, for us, a hobby is probably one of my all-time favorites, for sure. | ||
| He's a beast. | ||
| He's really a beast. | ||
| When you hear him in the corner between rounds, in many ways, it's an advertisement to go train at his gym if you're a top fighter. | ||
| Because you hear him talk. | ||
| He's so technical in his description. | ||
| He's so aware of what should happen and when it should happen that he just knows what to do and when to do. | ||
| And it's like, that's excellent advice. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Jamie, shut your mic off. | ||
| I'm hearing your fucking rapper. | ||
| Your mic's got to be on. | ||
| Is that loud? | ||
| I didn't think it was. | ||
| No, I heard it too. | ||
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I did hear it. | |
| What is that rap? | ||
| What are you doing, man? | ||
| Was that made out of paper chips? | ||
| The rapper? | ||
| It's made out of potato chips? | ||
| Yeah, it's like a corner is, in many ways, it's the advertisement for the gym. | ||
| You see, when you hear... | ||
| You're winning. | ||
| You're winning. | ||
| You're definitely winning. | ||
| Just go out and outbox them. | ||
| It's not winning. | ||
| We're in the corner. | ||
| That is not good advice. | ||
| It's not. | ||
| And my thing is, you've got to give some type of instructional feedback. | ||
| Something to correct or something to do better or encourage them to keep doing the same things that they're doing. | ||
| Something where there's instruction. | ||
| Not like, get up. | ||
| Oh, really? | ||
| You think I need to get up? | ||
| I think I know I need to get up. | ||
| But how the hell do I get up? | ||
| Well, the weirdest shit was Diego Sanchez. | ||
| Daniel Sanchez in his last fight, I don't know who he trained with. | ||
| He left Jackson Winkle, Winklejohn. | ||
| I don't know if he had training partners. | ||
| I don't know what he did. | ||
| And he had the one guy in his corner tell him, be like Tyson. | ||
| Go out in there and... | ||
| No fucking way did he say that. | ||
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Yes, he did. | |
| He was giving him weird advice. | ||
| And you know, Diego was getting... | ||
| Michael Chiasa was just flowing on him. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Just flowing. | ||
| And every time Diego was able to capitalize on a position, like a slip-up or a window of opportunity to get on top... | ||
| He just fucked it up, and then Chiesa just got right back up, created a scramble, and then he was right back in the dominant position once again. | ||
| I was like, yeah, this is not going to end well. | ||
| I thought he was going to get the finish, but... | ||
| Dude, the way you saw Diego Sanchez manhandle Mickey Gall... | ||
| Crazy. | ||
| ...is then the way you see Michael Chiesa... | ||
| Manhandle Diego Sanchez. | ||
| Levels. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Levels? | ||
| Levels. | ||
| And size. | ||
| Chiesa, you want to talk about a guy who cut too much weight. | ||
| It is incredible that that dude ever made 155 pounds. | ||
| He's so big. | ||
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He's large. | |
| That is a big man. | ||
| He's so big. | ||
| And when you put your hand on him like I'm interviewing him, it's like a fucking piece of wood, man. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| That's some grappling constrictor strength. | ||
| Yeah, he's a big dude, man. | ||
| I saw him before the fight in the P.I. sense. | ||
| I was like, dude. | ||
| And I told him the same thing. | ||
| I was like, dude, I don't know. | ||
| I really do not know how the fuck you ever made 155. It's probably counterproductive for you to even go down there. | ||
| Because you just got such a big frame. | ||
| I think he would excel at 70. I think so, too. | ||
| But what's interesting is he's done way better at 70 than Kevin Lee has. | ||
| And Kevin Lee beat him at 55. Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So it's crazy how, like, you got to go up and wait, but you also got to do it the right way. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I think he did it the right way. | ||
| When he's at 170, he's super healthy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Strong dude, man. | ||
| So fit. | ||
| And he flows. | ||
| Like, the way he was flowing with Diego, he just, he didn't, like, tighten up. | ||
| He was in total control. | ||
| He would take chances. | ||
| He would roll into crucifix positions. | ||
| He would lose it and get a hold of him again, again, take him down. | ||
| It's like, It was like a black belt rolling with a blue belt. | ||
| That's what it was like. | ||
| I was like, wow, this is crazy to watch. | ||
| Or a purple belt. | ||
| It's crazy to watch. | ||
| It's different, man. | ||
| There's really levels to the game. | ||
| It's also size. | ||
| Size too. | ||
| Diego weighed 169 the day before the fight. | ||
| Didn't have to cut any weight at all. | ||
| Whereas Kiesler probably weighed in the 190s. | ||
| He looked huge. | ||
| I wonder what makes him want to go down to 55 then. | ||
| Not go down to 55. What is this, Jamie? | ||
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What? | |
| This is voodoo coach. | ||
| Oh, this is his coach. | ||
| This is the voodoo coach that would be Diego Sanchez's corner. | ||
| No one else. | ||
| This dude has no experience as an MMA coach, by the way. | ||
| So this is the dude that's telling him to be like Tyson. | ||
| He's being like water right now. | ||
| You see that slip? | ||
| That slip? | ||
| Oh, bro. | ||
| Touch butt. | ||
| Touch butt. | ||
| Diego's such a strange guy, man. | ||
| He might believe that this dude has magic powers. | ||
| Because he was talking about... | ||
| But I think a big part of Diego's success is his belief system, right? | ||
| Diego just believes things. | ||
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Dude! | |
| This guy's amazing. | ||
| What technique. | ||
| Here comes an elbow. | ||
| Oh, come on, son. | ||
| Show me that. | ||
| Oh, knocking people out. | ||
| Bro. | ||
| Oh, so good. | ||
| Imagine looking at this guy and go, listen, fuck Longo and Sarah. | ||
| That's where I need to be. | ||
| We need to learn that voodoo. | ||
| That would actually be a good skit. | ||
| Like, yo, I'm going out to train. | ||
| Like, just have the whole thing leading up to it. | ||
| And then let them know, like, I was just fucking around, you know? | ||
| I think that's what Anderson Silva did when he brought in Steven Seagal. | ||
| Complete joke. | ||
| People were buying it. | ||
| Well, Stagall was selling it. | ||
| He was selling it. | ||
| You know, he's like, that's a technique that I taught Anderson. | ||
| It's a front kick, bro. | ||
| That's a front kick. | ||
| Everybody knows that one. | ||
| That's day one white belt class. | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
| I can't believe people bought it for so long. | ||
| It's almost like the Ronda Rousey thing, too. | ||
| There he is. | ||
| Look at this. | ||
| Ooh, karate chops the head, son. | ||
| Imagine these dudes standing there while he practices all this shit. | ||
| There's George. | ||
| They all had to do it with a straight face. | ||
| Anderson's like the ultimate troll. | ||
| Look, he's practicing it. | ||
| Anderson's practicing it. | ||
| His acting is so good, though. | ||
| It's so good. | ||
| You know what this is like? | ||
| This is like a circus clown giving Dave Chappelle comedy technique. | ||
| Like some dude who's like a, you gotta get a nose, a honk honk. | ||
| Dave's like, okay, honk honk. | ||
| It's really what it's like. | ||
| It's like Dave Chappelle getting comedy technique from a clown. | ||
| That reminds me of the Napoleon Dynamite when he's like, would you want to get kicked by me in these pants? | ||
| Break the wrist, walk away. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But the thing is, Seagal was a legit Aikido specialist. | ||
| Like, if it was just Aikido, like, that's when people... | ||
| Just because a guy seemed kind of silly, you forget. | ||
| Like, he had a real, legit history with Aikido. | ||
| He was the first American to ever teach at a dojo in Japan, speaks fluent Japanese, and he's a legitimate Aikido master. | ||
| Like, 100% absolute legitimate Aikido master. | ||
| The thing is, Aikido is just not something that translates perfectly to MMA. What is this? | ||
| Seagal Best Aikido with Russian National Aikido Team. | ||
| Yeah, bro, I'm not bullshitting, man. | ||
| His Aikido is 100% legitimate. | ||
| But you see, I would almost discredit everything just based on that one parody thing of a joke, that shit show of a joke. | ||
| Yeah, but I mean... | ||
| Break the wrist, walk away. | ||
| But this is all nonsense. | ||
| Someone's going to give you their arm like that. | ||
| But if they did, he would fuck you up. | ||
| Better than this, because this is Seagal as an older man who's overweight. | ||
| Go to Steven Seagal when he was really young. | ||
| There's black and white footage of him teaching at a dojo in Japan. | ||
| There it is. | ||
| He is 100% legit. | ||
| And Akito's not the best martial art for self-defense. | ||
| It's just not. | ||
| But it has its applications. | ||
| And in its applications, he's a master at it. | ||
| Much like... | ||
| Jiu-jitsu has its applications, but it's not great for kickboxing, right? | ||
| Taekwondo has its applications, but it doesn't work if you kick the legs and punch the face. | ||
| But if you learn how to do it, those techniques can apply if you know all the other stuff. | ||
| Well, if you know all the other stuff, this motherfucker has some real shit. | ||
| It's just whether or not you would have to be so good at all the other stuff that you could utilize this. | ||
| Now, obviously, he's showing in this technique, he's showing knife defense and stuff like that, but this is all 100% legit technique. | ||
| He's good, man. | ||
| I mean, not good. | ||
| He's outstanding. | ||
| His Aikido is outstanding. | ||
| The real question is, how effective is Aikido? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I'm still like, I can't get past the jokes of the front kick. | ||
| It's hard to get past that part. | ||
| I didn't know this. | ||
| It's hard to get past someone who doesn't have an objective understanding of how people view them. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Me and George St. Pierre wanted to learn how to throw a turning sidekick for me. | ||
| Dude, you're an animal at that, by the way. | ||
| I felt embarrassed teaching him, though, because I'm just a comedian, and I'm a commentator. | ||
| But I was like, I know this sounds crazy, but I really know how to do it. | ||
| And then when I did it, he was like, holy shit! | ||
| I was like, yeah, this is what I used to do. | ||
| But me showing him that, I mean, I'm under no illusion that I could kick George St. Pierre's ass. | ||
| He would fuck me up every day of the week. | ||
| But I was like, I have this one thing that I can show you that I bet you can't do the way I can do it. | ||
| And I can show you how to do it. | ||
| But I'm not like what Seagal's doing. | ||
| That's a front kick, man. | ||
| He knows that's a front kick. | ||
| You know? | ||
| And even a spinning back kick, you can teach someone it, but them having the confidence to execute that, to choose to do that. | ||
| Like, you're in a situation, the guy's coming forth, you choose to spin. | ||
| You gotta be so rock solid with your understanding of that technique. | ||
| You're not gonna get that without years and years and years and years and years of drilling it. | ||
| That could be a death sentence in a live combat fistfight. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, even when I throw it sometimes, I'm like, man, I throw a lot of shit, man. | ||
| I do the tornado kicks and shit now, and I did one time DiPedro in this fight where he came at me, and I stepped back, and I did a hopping, spinning back kick. | ||
| The one Uriah Hall hit Gegard Mousasi with. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| I did that, but it hit him right on the belt, not exactly where I wanted to land. | ||
| In the picture, my foot slides down, it looks like I kicked him in the balls, but... | ||
| It was, like, right above, like, the belt line. | ||
| I was like, ah, man, if I just got a little bit more to the side with the heel, I would have probably dropped him. | ||
| Do you practice that, like, in front of the bag? | ||
| Oh, yeah, but then I would have someone holding the shield, and I would just go for, like, 20 minutes. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I'd just have it, like, controlled. | ||
| Like, I'm like, yo, because I want to have, like, a stationary target, but also somewhat moving, so it was more... | ||
| just spinning back kick me to the ribs. | ||
| The way I learned how to do it was swinging a bag. | ||
| I would swing a bag, and the bag was coming close to me. | ||
| I would jump up there and spin and do it that way. | ||
| The only fight that I have from Taekwondo at all was me winning by knockout with a jump-spinning back kick. | ||
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Really? | |
| The only one that's on YouTube. | ||
| Yeah, the only one when I was like 19. Jamie could probably find it. | ||
| But that technique, if you do it right, if you do it right, it's fucking devastating. | ||
| But you open yourself up whenever you turn and you spin. | ||
| So I'm doing it in Taekwondo where you can't punch to the face. | ||
| It's less risky. | ||
| You can't kick to the legs. | ||
| You can get away with it more. | ||
| You can't punch to the face, but you can kick to the face. | ||
| You can kick to the face, yeah, which is ridiculous. | ||
| What do you got? | ||
| What happened? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Oh, here it is. | ||
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This is me when I'm 19. That's you? | |
| Yeah, that was me. | ||
| But it's like the same thing. | ||
| He's coming forward and I caught him as he's coming forward. | ||
| But that technique in MMA, Valentina does it better than anybody. | ||
| She does it, you don't even see it coming. | ||
| Valentina Shevchenko, she just throws it. | ||
| If you hit somebody with that, it's like getting hit by a car. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, that's what I was telling George. | ||
| I was like, if you do it right, your weight is going towards it. | ||
| The problem with the way most people do it, they're hitting it and bouncing off of it. | ||
| You're not even going all the way through it. | ||
| You're not following through. | ||
| They're going bang, like that. | ||
| They're hitting it and going bang. | ||
| I'm saying go boom! | ||
| Go through it. | ||
| Your weight should be going through it. | ||
| And it seems awkward, but once you develop the technique and do it properly, it's not awkward. | ||
| It's the best way to do it. | ||
| And you get so much weight going forward. | ||
| That's another problem I have. | ||
| And I was talking about this earlier today with some of the guys. | ||
| Like, I normally try to rewatch all my fights and then take like a notebook or my phone and jot down notes and things I could do better. | ||
| Or things that I think I fucked up or I want to clean up, that type of stuff. | ||
| And one of the things I'm noticing, I mean, I've noticed it for a while. | ||
| But now I think that's going to be like the next evolution of my game is sitting down on my punches and my strikes more so that it has more of my body weight behind it. | ||
| Because I punch a lot in transition. | ||
| And it's cool. | ||
| It's fancy. | ||
| It's hard to hit. | ||
| I'm super elusive that way, but... | ||
| Again, like we were talking about, man, the work rate is just high. | ||
| You've got to be constantly moving, but it's fun to watch. | ||
| Do you think you're going to stick with doing all your strength and conditioning yourself, or do you think you will move to a professional strength and conditioning group? | ||
| I mean, as you move into five-rounders, too. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Right? | ||
| Well, I trained for five-round fights when I was doing this, too, but obviously the level of competition wasn't the same. | ||
| That was on the regional circuit before I came up. | ||
| I mean, I had success in training when I was sparring with five different bodies, five different individual rounds, you know? | ||
| And I did pretty good in terms of my cardio, but I was also a young bull back then. | ||
| I'm a little older. | ||
| I still think I'm a young bull, but it's a difference when you're 21, 22 compared to 29, even though, you know, I think I'm right now in my prime years. | ||
| I think also you're aware of, like, all the damage you're doing to your body all the time, too. | ||
| Where you're 21, you're barely aware of it. | ||
| You just go nuts. | ||
| Yeah, your brain's not even fully formed. | ||
| Just throwing kicks and punches and going crazy? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But I mean, maybe. | ||
| That Tony Ricci guy at the gym, he's pretty good. | ||
| I feel bad taking up his time because he helps out so much and volunteers so much of his time. | ||
| I feel bad because it's not like I'm not... | ||
| He doesn't ask for money. | ||
| So it's like, I feel bad if I'm not paying you for your service. | ||
| I don't like... | ||
| He doesn't ask for money. | ||
| Nah, not from the fighters. | ||
| He likes just seeing the local guys do well and he likes helping out. | ||
| That's amazing. | ||
| Yeah, he's a professor. | ||
| I forget the school he's a professor at, but really, really smart dude. | ||
| I know he goes down to the PI Center from time to time to share some knowledge and learn some stuff from those guys as well. | ||
| Maybe I'll go that route. | ||
| It would be nice if I was able to train at the PI Center and have that entire staff on hand. | ||
| Have you thought about doing a camp there? | ||
| If you did, do you think Longo and Sarah would be interested in doing that? | ||
| They can't, right? | ||
| They really can't. | ||
| They can. | ||
| They got family. | ||
| They got the kids. | ||
| They got their gyms. | ||
| I always tell them, yo, can we move to somewhere warmer, like Florida or something? | ||
| No state tax. | ||
| Bring the whole team. | ||
| Bring the whole team. | ||
| Bring the whole family. | ||
| We get a bigger house. | ||
| They don't want to do that, though. | ||
| Not these little shacks. | ||
| Those Long Island dudes, man, they got roots. | ||
| I know. | ||
| That's what it is. | ||
| Ray's like... | ||
| Al Joe! | ||
| He's got everything in here. | ||
| They both do. | ||
| They're so used to that community, too. | ||
| It's like, that's their family, their friends, everybody's there, all the guys who come to the gym. | ||
| It's like, I get it. | ||
| I get it, but man, if you're a professional, it seems like every little edge that you can get can mean a little bit of something, and that Performance Institute is a real edge. | ||
| That place is amazing. | ||
| Well, I look at it like I got my striking from Ray. | ||
| I got my jiu-jitsu from Matt and all the other guys, Jason Brown, those guys, and the Henzo Gym whenever I go to Henzo's in the city. | ||
| And then I had the wrestling, my own background, and then I teach the wrestling classes at the gym, and then I go down to Hasha sometimes and I borrow some of those guys. | ||
| I mean, they're not like... | ||
| The Penn States, but they're still solid wrestlers. | ||
| They're giving me pretty damn good work compared to what a lot of the wrestling looks like in MMA now. | ||
| So I'm getting solid work there. | ||
| I think the main part is my nutrition, and I really don't sleep. | ||
| I sleep, I'm so fucked up. | ||
| I really don't sleep. | ||
| I mean, the CBD helps me the most, but everything else, unless I'm hammered and I just pass the fuck out, but then I'm fucked up the next day. | ||
| That sounds counterproductive. | ||
| Totally counterproductive. | ||
| Have you heard of that chill pad? | ||
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No. | |
| This is something I haven't tried, but Mark Sisson, he's the guy from... | ||
| He wrote that book, The Primal Blueprint, and he's a nutrition expert, and he's a former endurance athlete, but he's a giant believer of this thing where you put it as a mattress pad, and it chills your body to a certain temperature. | ||
| You could set it for whatever temperature makes you most comfortable, But apparently, he said it is a game changer in terms of your ability to sleep through the night. | ||
| Like, I woke up in the middle of the night last night. | ||
| I must have been having a crazy dream. | ||
| I was sweating like a pig. | ||
| And I woke up and I'm drenched with sweat. | ||
| I'm like, fuck, why am I so sweaty? | ||
| Like, what the fuck's wrong with my brain? | ||
| But with this, apparently, when you keep you at a chilled temperature, you just snooze. | ||
| He said he sleeps hard. | ||
| What do you got? | ||
| I got that bed. | ||
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You did it? | |
| It's coming. | ||
| You got a chill pad? | ||
| So I don't have it yet, but we'll be here by the time we get back into another show. | ||
| I'll have a review for you on how it works. | ||
| Oh, amazing. | ||
| So you ordered one? | ||
| Full bed, though. | ||
| It's not just a pad. | ||
| Literally, there's a tube, like an air conditioner tube goes into the mattress, and it's connected to an app. | ||
| And it can regulate your body like a sleep number bed type thing. | ||
| What is it called? | ||
| This one is called Eight Sleep, I believe, or Sleep Eight. | ||
| It's the same thing? | ||
| Yeah, same thing. | ||
| So this is the actual mattress itself. | ||
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So how much is that thing? | |
| I looked at the prices. | ||
| I was surprised that it was not as expensive as I would think it would be, especially compared to, like, I heard Miss Pat say she bought one of those sleep number beds. | ||
| Oh, she's funny as fuck, by the way. | ||
| She's hilarious. | ||
| Oh, my God. | ||
| That last episode? | ||
| Oh, my God. | ||
| It starts at $2,000, I guess, which probably goes up depending on size. | ||
| Wait a minute. | ||
| Do they give it to you for free? | ||
| I do have a promotional offer, I believe. | ||
| Oh, shit, Jamie. | ||
| Working in the promotional game. | ||
| I like it, though. | ||
| I don't have a code or anything to give anyone. | ||
| I don't have a bed. | ||
| I haven't tested it, so I don't know what it's like. | ||
| I have a pull-out couch. | ||
| What? | ||
| Dude, I have a very... | ||
| Unique way of thinking. | ||
| You're a top Bantamweight contender in the fucking UFC. It's fucked. | ||
| Are you sleeping on a pullout bed? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| What? | ||
| Al Jermaine, that's outrageous. | ||
| You need to be able to sleep. | ||
| No wonder why you have a problem sleeping. | ||
| Well, I feel like I still always had the problem. | ||
| I think I might have sleep apnea. | ||
| My girlfriend, Rebecca, she's had me... | ||
| She's recording me like... | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| I was like... | ||
| Yeah, baby. | ||
| You just got to deal with it. | ||
| You just got to deal with it. | ||
| I bet you do have it. | ||
| Dudes with big necks get it. | ||
| I have it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I have a thing that I put a mouthpiece in that I got from this guy, Dr. Karopian. | ||
| It pushes my tongue down. | ||
| No, the mouthpiece sits on your bottom and it's got like a tongue. | ||
| Like someone touching your tongue, pushing down on it. | ||
| And it keeps my tongue from sliding back and covering over my air hole. | ||
| I just got one from a dentist that I'm working with, and he has the one that pulls your bottom jaw forward, like these bands. | ||
| Is it helping you? | ||
| It's been helping, but my jaw is just really tight in the morning, so I'm like... | ||
| Oh, that's not good. | ||
| Then you gotta wait for like half an hour for it to kind of reset and adjust back. | ||
| But man, being able to sleep, I feel like I could be so much more efficient with my day because I always hit that midday crash, which I'm not sure if that's normal. | ||
| But I wake up, I have the most energy because I'm just taking a bunch of power naps. | ||
| Because I wake up so many times in the middle of the night. | ||
| Well, there's a company that I know that sells them that you could just buy and it's like a boil and bite mouthpiece kind of thing. | ||
| And it has a bar that keeps your tongue from sliding back. | ||
| That's what you use? | ||
| No, this is a different one. | ||
| There's a couple different versions here. | ||
| I don't know which one you want to... | ||
| I've never seen a tongue one. | ||
| These are different, though. | ||
| These are different. | ||
| There's one that... | ||
| Here, I'll pull it up real quick. | ||
| This one goes around your tongue. | ||
| It looks like a pacifier. | ||
| That's real weird looking. | ||
| That looks really weird. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It looks like an octopus. | ||
| Not an octopus. | ||
| What's those things? | ||
| Jellyfish. | ||
| That's weird. | ||
| I don't think I can sleep with that. | ||
| More like what you're saying with that. | ||
| You bite down on that. | ||
| No, there's one that's different. | ||
| Hold on a second. | ||
| I'll find it here. | ||
| I'll go into my orders. | ||
| Yeah, this one is... | ||
| The one I got is molded to my teeth, and then the bottom jaw just gets pulled forward. | ||
| So when I just relax, my tongue is not like... | ||
| It's not covering my airway. | ||
| It's a really common thing with guys who are like football players and powerlifters and wrestlers. | ||
| You develop... | ||
| Oh, here it is, Jamie. | ||
| It's... | ||
| Hold on a second. | ||
| It's called Z-Y-P-A-H. Z-Y-P-P. Z-Y-P-P-A-H. Is it two P's or one P? Two P's. | ||
| Two P's. | ||
| Z-Y-P-P-A-H. See, that's it. | ||
| So you see that thing there that has that band? | ||
| That band sort of lays on your tongue, and it keeps your tongue from sliding back, and then you breathe out of the top and bottom, just like an over-under mouthpiece. | ||
| I'm trying to envision this right now. | ||
| It's just keeping your tongue from sliding back. | ||
| That's how it helps you. | ||
| See that band at the bottom? | ||
| The band at the back? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| That's what it is. | ||
| I remember I went to a dentist and they told me, yeah, we could get you a mouthpiece for like five grand. | ||
| I was like, get the fuck out of here. | ||
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Five grand? | |
| It's like, dude, some guy in the city and my friend is the one who connected me with him. | ||
| It's like, yeah, this guy's going to do right by you. | ||
| This guy told me five grand. | ||
| I was like, dude, get the fuck out of here. | ||
| Five grand for a mouthpiece? | ||
| That's so crazy. | ||
| And then he made me two mouthguards, and they were both shit anyway. | ||
| Fighting mouthguards? | ||
| I don't want to bash this. | ||
| Let me not bash this guy. | ||
| Well, shout out to the mouthpiece guy. | ||
| He made mine. | ||
| The guy's awesome. | ||
| He's got an Instagram page. | ||
| Shaq makers? | ||
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We do. | |
| Shaq. | ||
| Shaq. | ||
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Shaq's a zippa. | |
| Oh, he makes it. | ||
| Or is he endorsing it? | ||
| He definitely has sleep apnea. | ||
| Look at the size of him. | ||
| That guy's gigantic. | ||
| Can you imagine what Shaq snoring sounds like? | ||
| That should be a reality show. | ||
| Having to fall asleep in the room. | ||
| You wait for Shaq to sleep and then you gotta go in the room and fall asleep. | ||
| Think about how long would it take you if it was like a game show. | ||
| Like if Shaq is out cold. | ||
| Dude, there's no way. | ||
| You gotta lay next to him and it's like a timer. | ||
| Ready? | ||
| Go! | ||
| Fall asleep, fall asleep. | ||
| I'm tired. | ||
|
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I'm not... | |
| And he's 800 pounds, and he's 17,000 feet tall, and he's laying next to you. | ||
| Yeah, it's just not happening. | ||
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It's not happening. | |
| That would be a hilarious, like, Fear Factor-type show. | ||
| Trying to fall asleep next to Shaq. | ||
| You could end up in a hotel room next to him and play that game on accident. | ||
| Accidentally. | ||
| Yeah, for sure. | ||
| Make those walls shake. | ||
| You hear the chandeliers clinking. | ||
| Every time he breathes out. | ||
| Yeah, a giant dude like him, he must have a crazy snore. | ||
| Andre the Giants probably was insane. | ||
| Yao Ming. | ||
| That stuff takes away so much from your recovery. | ||
| Because if you're snoring and you're not getting the proper oxygen in, you know, this Dr. Kuropian that I go to, he puts this thing in your mouth and he has you breathe in and out. | ||
| It actually literally measures the output of your breath, like how much comes in and comes out. | ||
| And he devised this thing to hold your tongue in place, to open up your airway. | ||
| Almost like a resting VO2 max kind of thing. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Similar, at least. | ||
| Yeah, and some guys wind up getting up. | ||
| I know a couple guys have gotten an operation. | ||
| They open up your throat hole better, and they remove your tonsils, and they remove your adenoids, and it opens up the area. | ||
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Really? | |
| Yeah. | ||
| They literally get their fucking neck operated on. | ||
| They cut some of the meat out so that you have more air. | ||
| I wonder how does that work in terms of being an athlete? | ||
| Like, would that... | ||
| You definitely wouldn't be able to get choked for a long time. | ||
| Yeah, I feel like that would fuck me up. | ||
| For a long time. | ||
| Imagine someone getting you in a guillotine after you've had your tonsils and adenoids and all that shit. | ||
| You'd be months, months after where you'd be able to really train hard, I would imagine. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Maybe I'm not going to do that. | ||
| Maybe I won't go that route. | ||
| But if it works. | ||
| But the thing is, doesn't your tonsils, don't they play a part in your immune system? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I mean, they're there. | ||
| They're not like an appendix, right? | ||
| They're there for a reason. | ||
| It's not like a leftover vestige of a different time. | ||
| And people get it removed, too. | ||
| Yes, what, Jamie? | ||
| Part of the body's immune system, location at the back of the throat, stop germs from entering the body through the mouth or nose. | ||
| And they contain a lot of white blood cells. | ||
| Need those. | ||
| Yeah, so... | ||
| Maybe just get a mouthpiece. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, I got this guy, Andrew. | ||
| He's making these new dental mouthpieces. | ||
| It's called Dental Impact. | ||
| So it's supposed to help you for MMA fighters. | ||
| It's supposed to have a little extra cushion for you. | ||
| You ever try the double padded mouthpiece? | ||
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Mm-hmm. | |
| And they have that little slit, and you're supposed to be expected to breathe through that. | ||
| But once you open your jaw, the mouthpiece falls out. | ||
| So this one is supposed to have a little bit of a layer, like a gel, where you bite into it, and it helps almost pull the jaw forward, so it gives you a little bit more... | ||
| There's room for impact so you can bike down. | ||
| I think it's going to just be better for combat. | ||
| I haven't tried it yet. | ||
| He's supposed to send me one so I could try it out and give some feedback and see how it all works. | ||
| There used to be a company called Shock Doctor. | ||
| Are they still around? | ||
| I know they do cups and shit like that. | ||
| I think there was a Shock Doctor mouthpiece that had the same idea behind it, but I was super skeptical. | ||
| There it is. | ||
| Yeah, shock doctor. | ||
| But I think there's real science to that. | ||
| Look at that fucking thing. | ||
| What is that shit? | ||
| It's got a lip guard. | ||
| Demandable, man. | ||
| Mouthpiece for football players usually use that shield. | ||
| A lip guard? | ||
| Oh, so you don't get your mouth, your lips busted. | ||
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Hmm. | |
| So there's a... | ||
| What's that airflow one? | ||
| Screw it up a little bit there? | ||
| The white one? | ||
| What does that say? | ||
| Max airflow football mouth guard. | ||
|
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Huh. | |
| That looks stupid. | ||
| I guess it lets air through the middle, I guess. | ||
|
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The hole. | |
| Yeah, but that's fine with football. | ||
| That's not fine for a five minute round. | ||
| But it looks small. | ||
|
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You know what I mean? | |
| Like it doesn't... | ||
| The hole? | ||
| Yeah, to like go all the way... | ||
| Well, the part you bite on. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| It's not far enough back. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Like you dig into it. | ||
| Like what are you biting on? | ||
| Just the top part with your first few teeth? | ||
| I think they used to have these kind of things and they were making some claims. | ||
| Maybe not Shock Doctor, but maybe another company. | ||
| I think it was another company that was making a claim that it would allow you to take shots better. | ||
| Reduce concussion. | ||
| I think it has something to do with those two nubs on top of the jaw, the mandible bone. | ||
| I guess it clips the nerve and that's what shuts the lights off in the brain. | ||
| What is that one that says fang double braces? | ||
| Scroll back up? | ||
| It's for people that have braces. | ||
| Oh, is that one it is? | ||
| I always wanted it because my daughter had braces and she was going to jiu-jitsu. | ||
| She'd get choked and her mouth would get all cut up. | ||
| It has a bunch of holes in it, not just one big one. | ||
| Oh. | ||
| You're not allowed to wrestle without... | ||
| If you have braces in wrestling in high school, you're not allowed to compete unless you have a mouthpiece. | ||
| That's like a new rule. | ||
| They shouldn't be allowed to compete without mouthpieces anyway. | ||
| You don't want to fuck up your lips. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Even now, when I rustle and I bite down when I'm shooting sometimes and I get my jaw smashed against my teeth, I, like, chips on my teeth that way. | ||
| Yeah, it's not good. | ||
| Now I wear a mouthpiece. | ||
| Always. | ||
| I always wear a cup, too. | ||
| I wear a cup because I got kneed in the dick once and my dick was bleeding. | ||
| Again, my friend Scott Epstein, Einstein, same dude, he was passing my guard and just in accident slammed his knee into my dick, flattened my dick out, right on the dick. | ||
| It's just sometimes it happens where it's like, you zig, they zag, pop! | ||
| And when I took my jock off at the end of rolling, there was blood in my jock strap. | ||
| I'm like, oh no. | ||
| Were you guys drilling? | ||
| Were you going live? | ||
| No, we were going live. | ||
| Yeah, we were going live. | ||
| It just was an accident. | ||
| It was just an accident. | ||
| It was just shit that happens. | ||
| But if I had it... | ||
| Now I wear one of those diamond MMA cups. | ||
| You ever fuck with those? | ||
| With the compression shorts? | ||
| So here's my thing with those guys. | ||
| And I was going to say something earlier, but I didn't want to. | ||
| I just don't think one cup fits all. | ||
| I just can't see how... | ||
| You're trying to say your dick's too big. | ||
| I understand Aljo. | ||
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No, my crotch is just... | |
| The diamond cup is too big for my crotch, man. | ||
| Well, they make different sizes. | ||
| It like chafes. | ||
| Oh, I see. | ||
| It's not comfortable. | ||
| And I tried it. | ||
| I was like, dude, maybe I'm wearing it wrong. | ||
| I tried it upside down. | ||
| They must be making different sizes. | ||
| They told me, no, dude, it's one size fits all. | ||
| I'm like, dude, this just doesn't make any sense. | ||
| Wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute. | ||
| Francis Ngannou. | ||
| Francis Ngannou and Henry Cejudo. | ||
| One size fits all. | ||
| We're in the same cup. | ||
| Get in the fuck out of here. | ||
| That's what they told me. | ||
| What are you saying? | ||
| That's not even possible. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's outrageous. | ||
| They've come up to the fight events. | ||
| I've actually seen them in Chicago. | ||
| I saw them in Chicago again, handing out samples and stuff. | ||
| And he asked me, how did you like the cup? | ||
| I'm like, I don't want to be a dick. | ||
| I don't like being a mean guy, but you asking me this question, I feel like I got to tell you the truth. | ||
| I'm like, I just didn't like it. | ||
| He's like, what was wrong with it? | ||
| Tell me. | ||
| One size just doesn't fit all. | ||
| That's what I told him. | ||
| It just doesn't fit. | ||
| It's too big down there. | ||
| You don't want something that's comfortable so you can kick and lift your leg, squeeze your legs together. | ||
| Nah, man. | ||
| That shit's going to be crushing my sack all over the place. | ||
| I get it. | ||
| For me, it fits perfect, but I get it. | ||
| Everybody's got a different size junk area. | ||
| And if you have fatter thighs, too, right? | ||
| Like dudes with giant, like Sean Jordan, guys with giant, thick-ass legs. | ||
| How are you going to get... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's going to rub against it. | ||
| But the compression shorts would help with that. | ||
| Because that's the whole idea, is that instead of the way everybody used to wear, it was just like a jockstrap, right? | ||
| You'd have a cup in the jockstrap, and it kind of floated around. | ||
| I remember in a Tagovando tournament, I got kicked in the balls once, and my cup slammed into my nut. | ||
| And I was convinced. | ||
| I was convinced my balls were useless after that because my shit swole up like two times the size it should have been and it was all purple and I was like, I broke my balls. | ||
| Did you have to get it drained or did you just like go down? | ||
| Please, I was 18. I didn't do a goddamn thing. | ||
| I didn't do a goddamn thing. | ||
| I think I jerked off to make sure it worked. | ||
| Once it still worked, I'm like, we're good. | ||
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Oh, man. | |
| It's horrible. | ||
| That's what I did after Einstein broke my dick. | ||
| I waited that night. | ||
| beat off just to make sure it worked. | ||
| I'm like, we're good. | ||
| We're good. | ||
| That is funny, man. | ||
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That is funny. | |
| It was like chicken embryos in my toilet bowl. | ||
| My baseball coach when I was younger, like... | ||
| You're sick. | ||
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Baloox. | |
| It just came out. | ||
| Piss came out bloody, too. | ||
| I pissed blood for a couple days. | ||
| That's the worst, piss and blood. | ||
| Well, I knew it was all just dick blood. | ||
| I was just like, the moment I feel like any sort of infection or it feels like it's sore, it didn't hurt. | ||
| So I was like, I'm not going to be nervous. | ||
| I'm going to treat it like my nose. | ||
| I'm like, I don't want my nose to fall off either, but if my nose is bloody, I don't freak out. | ||
| So I didn't want to freak out if my dick was bloody. | ||
| I'm like, let me just treat it like it's a normal thing. | ||
| Just don't freak out. | ||
| And it was fine. | ||
| It's like a northern lion in the room. | ||
| Don't freak out. | ||
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Don't make eye contact. | |
| Keep moving. | ||
| Dude, if I'm pissing blood, I'm freaking the fuck out. | ||
| I know. | ||
| I was a little freaking out. | ||
| It wasn't like I was not nervous at all, but I was trying to rationalize. | ||
| I was saying, okay, this is no different than my nose. | ||
| If my nose was bleeding right now and I ran to the hospital freaking the fuck out, I'd be a bitch. | ||
| Right? | ||
| Right? | ||
| How many times has your nose been bloody? | ||
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A lot. | |
| It's your dick. | ||
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It's your dick. | |
| You gotta need that for some things, you know? | ||
| You definitely do. | ||
| I definitely wasn't... | ||
| I mean, I wasn't ignoring it. | ||
| I was like, the moment it feels... | ||
| Like, if my nose was infected, I'd probably walk it off. | ||
| But if my dick is infected, I am going straight to the ER. Oh, man. | ||
| It's dangerous, man. | ||
| Infections are fucking dangerous. | ||
| They scare the shit out of me. | ||
| Especially down there. | ||
| Anywhere. | ||
| Infections are terrible. | ||
| There's a football coach today. | ||
| I guess he publicly stated he would cut his dick off for a Super Bowl win. | ||
| Oh, don't say that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Then they're going to have the female Super Bowl League. | ||
| When the female NFL comes along, you could join up. | ||
| You could be a champ. | ||
| Ha ha ha! | ||
| Nowadays, you can just do that. | ||
| You just decide, I'm a woman, and I'm a champion. | ||
| Someone make that argument that they said Dennis Robbins should be considered the first NBA player. | ||
| Transgender NBA player? | ||
| No, he's still a dick. | ||
| He fucks girls. | ||
| He doesn't even pretend to be a girl. | ||
| He's just crazy. | ||
| He's more of a cross-dresser. | ||
| But even that's more for show. | ||
| He does it for fun. | ||
| He's too big to be doing all that shit. | ||
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What's crazy is that he's like the link to North Korea. | |
| He's friends with a dictator. | ||
| They fly him over there. | ||
| He's playing basketball with that dude, partying with him, and even giving him advice on how to get along with Trump and everybody should get along. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| I guess. | ||
| I mean, if it's working, they're not going to bomb us and shit. | ||
| He was my favorite dude. | ||
| Him and Eric Roberts were my favorite dude on Celebrity Rehab because neither one of them had a real problem. | ||
| Eric Roberts would smoke weed. | ||
| So he stopped smoking weed. | ||
| You see him every morning. | ||
| He's fucking reading the newspaper, drinking coffee. | ||
| He doesn't have a problem in the world. | ||
| Fucking Dennis Robbins on the treadmill. | ||
| He's running miles and shit. | ||
| He's a professional athlete, man. | ||
| So he's not drinking. | ||
| He's not partying anymore. | ||
| He likes to party. | ||
| What is he going to live forever if he doesn't party? | ||
| And Eric Roberts smokes a little weed. | ||
| What's the big deal? | ||
| So both of those guys on that show were like, I don't see the problem. | ||
| You guys are okay. | ||
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Like, really? | |
| Can you check again? | ||
| Rodman's doing miles on the treadmill. | ||
| Everybody else is going through seizures, detox, and they're freaking the fuck out. | ||
| And Rodman's just sweating. | ||
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Woo! | |
| Getting it in. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He's fine. | ||
| That's funny. | ||
| That is funny, man. | ||
| How crazy is it that Kim Jong-un dude loves him? | ||
| I... That's a weird relationship. | ||
|
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How does that work? | |
| There's a lot of guys who... | ||
| There he is. | ||
| Party! | ||
| Isn't that crazy? | ||
| The guy loves basketball, man. | ||
| Crazy. | ||
| What happened to his lip, though? | ||
| Rodman? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Doing a bunch of stuff. | ||
| Putting barbs in there and stuff. | ||
| No, but it looks like something happened. | ||
| Like it got bit by a rattlesnake or some shit. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
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This shit is swollen. | |
| Well, he's always had big lips. | ||
| And then on top of that, he's got a hole in it. | ||
| Look at that fucking hole. | ||
| That ring that's pushing down on his lip. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| But I feel like when he was in his prime years in the NBA, his lips didn't look like that. | ||
| They looked like burnt down. | ||
| It looks infected. | ||
| I think that barb makes it look crazy. | ||
| Crazy-er. | ||
| Yeah, crazy-er. | ||
| I think it's like that picture right there. | ||
| Look at that. | ||
| Trump with his lips. | ||
| It's like a fucking, which lip would you have for the rest of your life? | ||
| If you have the trees... | ||
| Like, weird downturned lips? | ||
| Gigantic infected lips? | ||
| Or little tiny, tiny, tiny lips? | ||
| Yeah, I don't know. | ||
| It's a hard call. | ||
| It's a hard call. | ||
| You know, if you have to take who's look for the rest of your life. | ||
| Kim Jong-un. | ||
| I'm going to go with Rodman. | ||
| Because at least he's a professional athlete. | ||
| He's got a great body. | ||
| You know? | ||
| Well, it's weird when dictators get really into athletics, right? | ||
| Like that Chechnyan guy sends a lot of MMA fighters out. | ||
| Oh, I heard you talking about this. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Wyby was telling us the story. | ||
| That guy's like nuts, I heard. | ||
| I'm sure he's nuts. | ||
| Like, he likes... | ||
| I don't know if this is okay to talk about it or not. | ||
| He's a powerful, powerful man. | ||
| He's a dangerous, powerful man. | ||
| He told Weidman to fight the other guy and was dead serious about it. | ||
| I think he figured out a way to get out of it or something. | ||
| Why did Weidman fight one of his guys? | ||
| I think it was either one of his guys or Verdum. | ||
| Fight either Verdum or one of his guys. | ||
| I think that's what he said. | ||
| Something crazy like that. | ||
| Did he want to pay him to do it? | ||
| I think so, but it was kind of like one of those, like just super powerful, just kind of like he gets what he wants, you know? | ||
| Holy shit. | ||
| That's like, dude, you don't get the fuck out of here. | ||
| That's like some enter the dragon shit, right? | ||
| He flies you out to an island. | ||
| You! | ||
| Fight! | ||
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Fight! | |
| And he sits there in his fucking giant throne. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| Asking people to fight. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, I guess if you're that rich and that powerful, you can kind of get away with that. | ||
| But it's happened before. | ||
| We've had dudes out there and they made an agreement. | ||
| Alright, let's fucking fight. | ||
| Let's go after it, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| There's stuff like that that makes me nervous to go to places like that. | ||
| I'm like, I just came here to enjoy the culture. | ||
| Not to do all this extracurricular shit. | ||
| Imagine if you go to Moscow and you knock out Pyotr Yan. | ||
| Oh, I'm running the fuck out of there. | ||
| And then Putin wants you to come over. | ||
| Come. | ||
| Come. | ||
| Come over to the castle. | ||
| Yeah, I don't know what that's happening. | ||
| You go in there and Pedro Munoz is there in shorts. | ||
| You're like, what the fuck is going on? | ||
| Rematch, motherfucker! | ||
| Rematch! | ||
| Rematch! | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Fuck. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| Oh, I was saying the bed though, man. | ||
| I got a pull-out couch. | ||
| Damn, why do you have a pull-out couch? | ||
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This is funny how we got all the way to hear from the pull-out couch. | |
| Yeah, so Airbnb my house. | ||
| I got my real estate license back in March. | ||
| I finally finished my... | ||
| I did like one flip before in Arizona. | ||
| It didn't go so well. | ||
| But I gained the experience. | ||
| I used that as like the cost of doing business. | ||
| So I learned a lot, man. | ||
| Learned a lot about like developing and that type of stuff. | ||
| You learned that from Rage Now? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| No, we took the course together the same year, how to flip houses. | ||
| There's actually a bus tour going on right now, and a guy hit me up, Nick LaMagna. | ||
| He wants me to come down probably tomorrow. | ||
| It's in Irvine. | ||
| But those guys, they kill it, man. | ||
| They're doing crazy commercial stuff. | ||
| They're doing stuff in just residential Hawaii. | ||
| All right, Quinta's selling a lot of houses, right? | ||
| He's killing it, man. | ||
| That's awesome for him. | ||
| I got my license. | ||
| I haven't sold a single house yet. | ||
| Since March. | ||
| Well, I was training for a fight, you know, so... | ||
| It's gotta be hard. | ||
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Yeah, well, I don't even know how to use the fucking MLS yet, so... | |
| That's a problem. | ||
| So if you ask me to show you something, like send you houses, like listings, I should be able to like comprise like some data of like things that fit your criteria and then send it to you on like an automatic email. | ||
| But I got to learn how to do that. | ||
| So I'm kind of just sitting there. | ||
| But to get back to what I was saying, like I bought the house after the Cody statement fight, before the Cody statement fight. | ||
| So I'm like shitting bricks. | ||
| I'm like trying to close. | ||
| The house was about to... | ||
| The deal was about to fall through. | ||
| The day of closing, I was like, get the fuck out of here. | ||
| You're going to close this deal one way or the other. | ||
| Even if I got to shell out extra money, I would shell out the extra money. | ||
| So I get the house. | ||
| Next thing you know, my mortgage is $3,000. | ||
| So $3,000 plus my utilities. | ||
| I'm looking at about $3,500, $3,600. | ||
| Now, when you equate the salary that I make from fighting and everything and New York taxes and all that... | ||
| It's just not very... | ||
| Lucrative. | ||
| Yeah, it's not sustainable. | ||
| There's no way I can do that unless I'm fighting like three, four times a year, like guaranteed. | ||
| If I'm not, I might be in some trouble. | ||
| I don't have health insurance right now. | ||
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Really? | |
| Yeah, and this is like crazy shit. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| You're fighting in a cage without health insurance. | ||
| Don't get hit by a car. | ||
| Just don't get hit by a car today. | ||
| If you get injured in a fight though, you're compensated, right? | ||
| I'm compensated, but if it's like an illness, I'm not compensated for nothing like that. | ||
| So it's a little different. | ||
| So that's why I'm like, I gotta make sure I don't get sick, I gotta make sure I'm doing the right things, look both ways before I cross the street. | ||
| Like little things like that. | ||
| Yeah, so I bought the house, whatever. | ||
| It managed to close. | ||
| So I'm trying to figure out ways to sustain this because then my mom's in a situation where she's facing an eviction at the time. | ||
| She's going through a five-year divorce now. | ||
| October's going to be five years. | ||
| And it's just my dad, he could be a pain in the ass to deal with in terms of just using his rational, humanly side of thinking. | ||
| He just doesn't get it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I've been trying to somehow be the bridge between the two. | ||
| It's been a lot of fucked up years, like domestic abuse and shit like that. | ||
| So I grew up with a lot of that, man. | ||
| My dad, not to get off subject, but that shit fucked me up in terms of my confidence as a kid. | ||
| I mean, he would just call us stupid and all these names for whatever reason. | ||
| And I felt like even until dating in middle school and high school was tough for me because, yeah, I was the good-looking kid, but at the same time, I didn't know how to hold a conversation because I was never taught. | ||
| I was never taught by my dad how to do certain things. | ||
| And... | ||
| That made me very self-conscious in approaching females and stuff like that. | ||
| If they didn't approach me, if my friends didn't start the conversation, forget about it. | ||
| If I seen a chick that I liked that I had a crush on, forget about it. | ||
| I'm not talking to her. | ||
| Even my girlfriend to this day, we went to the same high school, never talked to her. | ||
| We never spoke. | ||
| And I thought she was one of the sexiest, prettiest, most beautiful females out there in the whole high school. | ||
| And I just never talked to her. | ||
| I just always see her. | ||
| I would smile and be like... | ||
| Yeah, I want to talk to you, but I can't. | ||
| I just can't do it. | ||
| I just can't do it. | ||
| But now we're dating, whatever. | ||
| But yeah, man, so I had to learn how to do a lot of that stuff on my own. | ||
| But yeah, I'm trying to bridge the gap between the two of them. | ||
| And it's just been really tough. | ||
| So she's facing the eviction. | ||
| I got to figure something out now. | ||
| And long story short, I don't want to go too crazy into details, but... | ||
| Long story short, I won the fight with Cody Stammen, so that was huge for me. | ||
| If I didn't win that fight, I would have been fucked in terms of really trying to help my mom. | ||
| Because I wasn't trying to take my hard-earned money and throw it into something like a rental. | ||
| I'm like, it just doesn't make any sense because she doesn't have green papers, so she wasn't working. | ||
| My dad paid for everything. | ||
| He was a sugar daddy. | ||
| He did his street pharmacy stuff. | ||
| He had his street pharmacy ways. | ||
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Oh, shit. | |
| So he made his money the way he made his money. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| She never had to work. | ||
| That's an interesting way of putting it, street pharmacy. | ||
| Yeah, I don't know what's okay to say. | ||
| Before there's people knocking at the door. | ||
| So yeah, your son just confessed to years and years and years of... | ||
| No, no. | ||
| Band-Aids. | ||
| Yeah, street pharmacy. | ||
| Selling tampons. | ||
| But my mom would help him. | ||
| And I just felt obligated as one of her oldest kids. | ||
| I know she's got two kids older than me. | ||
| On her side alone, she has 10 kids. | ||
| Just with my mom. | ||
| Not with my dad. | ||
| Just her alone. | ||
| And with my dad, she has eight. | ||
| I'm the oldest of the eight with my dad. | ||
| And then the two other kids are from another... | ||
| Two different guys. | ||
| So it's just... | ||
| Our family tree is like just fucking wacky. | ||
| It's just all over the place. | ||
| Like, my family hasn't even met my girlfriend's family. | ||
| It's just like... | ||
| Wow. | ||
| It's... | ||
| I don't even know how the wedding's gonna go. | ||
| You know, if we ever decide to get married, like... | ||
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It's going to be chaos. | |
| Yeah, do I invite? | ||
| Like, who do I invite? | ||
| Who do I not invite to make sure there's no, like, bumping a head? | ||
|
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This is you elope, bro. | |
| Just elope. | ||
| We did it last minute, guys. | ||
| We ran off to Mexico. | ||
| We didn't have a party, though. | ||
| This way the wedding doesn't get ruined. | ||
|
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Yes. | |
| But then you have a party afterwards, and then the party goes sideways. | ||
| Hey, we had a great wedding. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Yeah, you just go. | ||
| You and her and maybe like a couple other people. | ||
| Just go to fucking the Bahamas or some shit. | ||
| See, that's what I want to do. | ||
| But you see what she wants to do? | ||
| She has a huge family too. | ||
| So she wants everybody there. | ||
| She's got family in California, in Texas, back in Salvador. | ||
| I'm like, yo. | ||
| It's my special day. | ||
| It is. | ||
| It is. | ||
|
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It's my special day. | |
| That I'm probably going to be paying the entire bill for it. | ||
| Fuck yeah, you have to. | ||
| Isn't that crazy? | ||
| That special day is so nuts. | ||
| You spend so much money. | ||
| Shouldn't we not spend this money and just go on vacation? | ||
| That's the way I live my life. | ||
| And also, more than that, a lot of weddings are like a fucking car. | ||
| It costs like a brand new car. | ||
| It's a kid's tuition. | ||
| It's your future child's tuition that you're spending on a wedding. | ||
| What are we doing with all this money? | ||
| Society, man. | ||
| I think you see everyone. | ||
| The way they dressed it up and they programmed our brains. | ||
| And if you're kind of stuck in your ways and that's what you want, that's what you want. | ||
| And I get it. | ||
| Everyone wants to be their princess moment. | ||
|
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I get it. | |
| I get it. | ||
| I want to be Princess Aljamain. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| This is very important to me, Aljamain. | ||
| It's very important to me. | ||
| Yeah, I can imagine her listening to this right now. | ||
| Sorry. | ||
| We're just joking. | ||
| I'm sorry. | ||
| I'm married, too. | ||
| I should shut the fuck up. | ||
| Listen, you want to be happy. | ||
| That expression, happy wife, happy life. | ||
| Whatever. | ||
| What do I got to do? | ||
| I was like, my house, I don't have a goddamn thing on the walls of my house. | ||
| I didn't put nothing up. | ||
| It's all my wife. | ||
| That's why this place is so crazy. | ||
| She did this too? | ||
| No! | ||
| This place is free! | ||
| This is what my fucking house should look like. | ||
| It'd be Elk Skulls and American Flags and Mitzi Shore and Thai Buddhas and Richard Pryor. | ||
| The Ghostbuster gun. | ||
| That's what my fucking house would be like. | ||
| This podcast studio. | ||
| But if you go over to my house, you'd be like, oh, we're in the wrong place. | ||
| Joe doesn't live here. | ||
| That's funny. | ||
| This is like a woman or a gay guy. | ||
|
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Who lives here? | |
| I hear you, man. | ||
| That's how my house is, except my girlfriend hasn't... | ||
| She hasn't moved in yet, so she hasn't been able to put her own special touches on things. | ||
| Bring her mattress and get the fuck over. | ||
| Yeah, pretty much. | ||
| I need a fucking bed. | ||
| I'm like, babe, we need new beds there. | ||
| We're just going to take yours. | ||
| Her bed is actually pretty comfortable. | ||
| What about one of these, maybe make a deal with this company that gave Jamie that bed? | ||
| What's that company again? | ||
| It's called Eat Sleep. | ||
| Hook a brother up. | ||
| Eat Sleep. | ||
| Listen, reach out to me. | ||
| Reach out to Al Jermaine. | ||
| Let's make something happen. | ||
| Listen, if there's something that really does work like that, I mean, I need to try it. | ||
| That Chill Pad is one that Mark Sisson recommends. | ||
| He said it's incredible. | ||
| He said it's a game changer. | ||
| It cools your body down. | ||
| You sleep way better. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't know if it's going to help my apnea, but it might feel better while I'm sleeping. | ||
| The other thing that will help your apnea is if you can get to a position where you've got a pillow where your mouth is dirty. | ||
| Like falling forward. | ||
| Instead of sleeping on your back, which is your tongue is going to fall back, sleep where your mouth kind of turns forward. | ||
| Because if I forget my mouthpiece and I go on the road, that's what I do. | ||
| And it's fine. | ||
| As long as I make sure that my head is pointing down. | ||
| It's like an awkward angle. | ||
| I wake up, my neck's killing me. | ||
| And I got bad neck from bulging disc and herniated disc in my neck. | ||
| Just from wrestling and jujitsu. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| Everybody does. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And yeah, it's fucked up. | ||
| Do you ever use one of those harnesses where you hang from your neck a little bit into spinal decompression? | ||
| I thought you were talking about one, that sleep mask thing. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| I tried that too. | ||
| You breathe out of your nose. | ||
| That thing looks ridiculous. | ||
| I tried that. | ||
| Everyone was laughing at me. | ||
| Yeah, I can't sleep. | ||
| I can't go to bed with my sleep. | ||
| But if you breathe out of your nose, does your nose work good? | ||
| Yeah, I think so. | ||
| I don't think it's deviated. | ||
| It might be. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Can you go... | ||
| Do you do a yoga class ever and just breathe out of the nose only? | ||
| I've done, I think, one yoga class. | ||
| And that was in college. | ||
| That was a long time ago. | ||
| But if you can... | ||
| These neck things, you can find them on Amazon. | ||
| They're just a neck harness. | ||
| It's not expensive. | ||
| And it straps to a door, the top of the door. | ||
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Decompressing. | |
| And you have a little click, click, click. | ||
| You pull it and it pulls your neck and you can just relax and it just stretches your neck out. | ||
| What's it called? | ||
| Spinal decompression harness. | ||
| Yeah, I probably could get one of those. | ||
| They'll help you. | ||
| It's a good thing to relax your neck. | ||
| When you do like the incline bed and you hang upside down, even though all the blood rushes to your head, which sucks. | ||
| Yeah, I have one of those too. | ||
| Yeah, that's the only thing I don't like about it. | ||
| That thing right there, that's what I have. | ||
| The thing's the shit. | ||
| I gotta do that in my safe space. | ||
| No one's looking at me. | ||
| Yeah, it's definitely that. | ||
| But you pull on it, and it click, click, click, click, click, and it relaxes your neck, man. | ||
| What's the clicking? | ||
| Is that the spine? | ||
| It's like the little notches. | ||
| Each notch, it pulls it a certain amount. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Click, click, and you pull it more. | ||
| Click, click. | ||
| And then when you want, you just sit up, and you release all the tension. | ||
| I just had a terrible thought in my head with that. | ||
| Jerking off? | ||
| No. | ||
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No. | |
| Because that's what people die from. | ||
| That's all David Carradine from Kung Fu. | ||
| He died strangling himself while he was beaten off. | ||
| Allegedly. | ||
| What? | ||
| I heard he might have got killed by the mob. | ||
| Yeah, he died of what they call auto-erotic asphyxiation. | ||
| Do you remember the band NXS? Yeah, I was thinking of the car, NSX. NXS, the lead singer, same thing. | ||
| He died from auto-erotic asphyxiation. | ||
| There's dudes who try to choke themselves while they beat off. | ||
| They hang. | ||
| That's some next level shit. | ||
| It is next level shit. | ||
| My favorite one was a preacher. | ||
| They caught this preacher wearing a wetsuit. | ||
| He had a dildo up his ass and he was choking himself and he blacked out while he was beating off and died. | ||
| Ray Donovan? | ||
| Yeah, something like that. | ||
| They might have set him up too. | ||
| Who knows? | ||
| He might have been banging some kids and that's how they got back at him. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Nah, I've never heard of that. | ||
| That's a different way of... | ||
| Auto-erotic explicitation. | ||
| That's a different kind of... | ||
| What's it called? | ||
| SMS? Yeah, SMS is sadomasochistic, right? | ||
| That's sadomasochism and bonding. | ||
| SM, whatever the fuck it is. | ||
| Bondage. | ||
| Next level, man. | ||
| I can never... | ||
| How do you get off on that? | ||
| They say that something about being choked, that it accentuates the orgasm. | ||
| So, well, I mean, come on. | ||
| Hey, babe. | ||
| Babe. | ||
| Give you that look. | ||
| You know what I want. | ||
| Time to strangle. | ||
| Time to get that lasso. | ||
| Stop roping cows and wrapping around your neck. | ||
| We'll give you a full report when I get back. | ||
| What is this Alabama minister who died in June of accidental mechanical asphyxia was found hog-tied, wearing two complete wetsuits, including a face mask, diving gloves, and slippers, rubberized underwear, and a head mask, according to the autopsy report. | ||
| 51-year-old pastor of Montgomery's. | ||
| His death was not caused by foul play. | ||
| If that is not foul play, how do you play? | ||
| And can I read your rule book? | ||
| Because that shit seems foul. | ||
| Yeah, he had a dildo up his ass, right? | ||
| Didn't he? | ||
| It says his bum up his bum. | ||
| Condom-covered dildo. | ||
| Hey, you don't want to get pregnant. | ||
| Condom-covered dildo up his ass while he was beaten up. | ||
| I mean, that's from trying to hold back all your sin, pretending that you don't have any sin because you're a pastor, and it just bubbles up on the surface. | ||
| He would have had the special order that it's illegal to sell those in Alabama. | ||
| Illegal to serve what? | ||
| Dildos? | ||
| Really? | ||
| Oh, Alabama. | ||
| Stop hating on dildos. | ||
| How's it illegal to have a dildo in Alabama? | ||
| I just heard too, I think Mississippi is the only state you're allowed to drink while you're driving, as long as you don't cross over the.08. | ||
| That is goddamn hilarious. | ||
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Wow. | |
| Beer in your front seat. | ||
| Wow, Mississippi. | ||
| Mississippi also has the fucking Confederate flag in its state flag. | ||
|
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Yeah, yeah. | |
| It's a part of the state flag. | ||
| It's like, yikes. | ||
| There's wild laws down there. | ||
| The wild, wild west. | ||
| The wild, wild south. | ||
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I don't think... | |
| Have I ever been to Mississippi? | ||
| I haven't. | ||
| I don't know if I've ever been. | ||
| I haven't even been to New Orleans. | ||
| I still want to go there. | ||
| New Orleans is wild. | ||
| I hear. | ||
| It's fun. | ||
| Nothing but good things. | ||
| Great people, man. | ||
| I can't wait. | ||
| Nice, friendly people, and the food is outstanding. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I got this idea that I've been trying to do for years now, and I haven't been able to make this happen because of financial situations, the whole thing with my mom and shit like that, trying to get the house for her and whatnot. | ||
| But I wanted to do a cross-country tour and hit every state, hit every capital, and document the entire fucking thing. | ||
| Like a one, two-month escapade or some shit. | ||
| Maybe after the next fight. | ||
| I would like to. | ||
| But then I'm also thinking, I would at some point like to maybe have kids or something. | ||
| But then I'm like, if I have a kid and I can't leave her while she's pregnant, unless she just comes along... | ||
| But then she works and she's in school. | ||
| I'm like, damn, nothing ever works out. | ||
| Unless I just go. | ||
| And then you make it work out. | ||
| I feel bad if I were to just leave for that long. | ||
| You gotta win the title. | ||
| Then I'm like, yo, I'm out. | ||
| Gotta get that big scratch. | ||
| I'm out. | ||
| Like, I'm out, bitches! | ||
| What would you do if you won the title? | ||
| Would you vacate and just say enough? | ||
| Do you have an idea of when you want to stop fighting? | ||
| You know what? | ||
| It's very interesting that you asked me that. | ||
| It's always been... | ||
| You can ask the guys at the gym, too. | ||
| It's always been 32. 32. So we're close. | ||
| I'm close. | ||
| Whether or not I'm going to feel the same when I'm 32, being I'm about to be 30 and I'm realizing how close that is. | ||
| If I realize my dream and I got the real estate thing, I got a college degree in physical education. | ||
| I'm trying out for the FDNY. | ||
| I'm still unsure how that's going to work out. | ||
| It's just the flexibility of the schedule and actually being able to have healthcare benefits for myself and my family, whoever that is. | ||
| Did you talk to Stipe? | ||
| No, but I have Firefighter friends back home. | ||
| Actually, I think I have one time, and he told me he loved it. | ||
| Eddie Wineland too, right? | ||
| Yeah, Eddie Wineland as well. | ||
| Yeah, Firefighter. | ||
| I think I was talking to him about that briefly in Chicago. | ||
| Shout out to the Mustache Mafia. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| He gave me one of those things. | ||
| Yeah, I didn't even know he was fighting on the car until I seen him pop up and I'm like, holy shit. | ||
| And then, yeah, he had a crazy ass fight that car too. | ||
| Crazy. | ||
| That new guy. | ||
| Crazy, yeah. | ||
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That was wild. | |
| It was a wild fight, man. | ||
| Eddie Wineland's a tank. | ||
| He's one of the more unusual fighters. | ||
| When you watch him move, like he's one of those guys where you could see him in a silhouette, you go, oh, that's Eddie Wineland. | ||
|
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| For sure. | ||
| His stance and everything. | ||
| Yeah, crazy, crazy like... | ||
| Weird style to try to sort out. | ||
| Like, he's so unusual in his movement. | ||
| First WEC champion, right? | ||
| Yes, yes. | ||
| Way back in the day. | ||
| I remember these things. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| That's back when it was in Northern California, right? | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Where was that? | ||
| The Little Cage. | ||
| Yeah, it was like... | ||
| Where the fuck was the original... | ||
| Original WEC? It was like... | ||
| I want to say Lodi, but... | ||
| Well, I don't think it was Lodi, but it was like... | ||
| Lemoore, California, something like that. | ||
| It's one of those weird spots. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I never looked at the location. | ||
| Like, now I start to pay attention to things like that now. | ||
| Like, more, like, where I fall, where the fight's gonna be held, and things like that. | ||
| Because I always end up going to the events from time to time. | ||
| It is Lamar? | ||
| WEC 20, which 21 was in Lamar, California. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's where they used to have him out there. | ||
| That's when Reed was running it. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Shout out to Reed Harris. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I love that dude. | ||
| He's a good dude. | ||
| He's a great dude. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, those pioneers of the game, man, those guys who, you know, like Bud Brutzman, used to run King of the Cage, and these people that run these little small organizations where everything started. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| When we used to do it in California, when they first started doing MMA shows in California, they had to do them on Native American reservations. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Because you couldn't have it anywhere. | ||
| It wasn't sanctioned in California. | ||
| Yeah, like New York back then. | ||
| So when we would go to see King of the Cage, when Eddie Bravo used to work for King of the Cage, and I would go with him out to these events, we would have to go to the middle of nowhere, man. | ||
| These weird-ass casinos. | ||
| That's the only place where you could go to see the fights. | ||
| Yeah, I fought on a reservation a couple times in New York because we couldn't fight in New York. | ||
| I still came to fight in New York because I got some medical thing. | ||
| They're not sure if I was born with it or not, but I didn't even know about it until I had my UFC debut in Vegas, UFC 170. And... | ||
| Yeah, I had to get a CAT scan. | ||
| I got the CAT scan, and I had, like, two spots on my brain. | ||
| So they just kept monitoring it, and I had to go see a neurologist and all that, and they just wanted to make sure I wasn't going to, like, bleeding out, and I wasn't going to, like, just die in the octagon randomly. | ||
| And, you know, so they were looking out for me, but I've been able to fight everywhere except for New York, and I'm just hoping that these guys do the right thing so I can at least fight one time before my career is all said and done in my home state. | ||
| I think that would be... | ||
| Something that I've dreamed of for a very long time. | ||
| I never knew this would have happened until my debut and I just threw a wrench into everything. | ||
| Do the neurologists say it's okay? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I'm clear to fight. | ||
| It's just the wording in the New York body's sanctioning rule or whatever. | ||
| I'm like, so what do you guys have to do to change it? | ||
| I think they said just a doctor has to go like rewrite it or some shit like that. | ||
| I'm like, but why is this taking so long? | ||
| It's been years now. | ||
| I've been like just every time I see Kim. | ||
| Hey, Kim. | ||
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Hey, is the doctor going to go like change the rule or something so I can fight in New York? | |
| And nothing. | ||
| You know, I don't know. | ||
| They're not. | ||
| I guess they're not moving the needle for me. | ||
| So that sucks. | ||
| I guess that in New York, they probably don't want to take any chances because it's so recent that they even got it approved. | ||
| Right. | ||
| It's only been a couple years, right? | ||
| How many years? | ||
| Three now? | ||
| 2016. 2016. I was there for the bill when they signed it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That was a fun time. | ||
| Those fucking Madison Square Garden cards are bananas. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| They always put bananas cards on an MSG. Yeah, I was there live for the Conor McGregor, Eddie Alvarez, and just the weigh-ins were electrifying. | ||
| I was like, yo, you get chills. | ||
| There's something about that building. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, you think about all the amazing boxing fights that happened in that building. | ||
| I mean, that is the most famous arena in all of combat sports. | ||
| Madison fucking Square Garden. | ||
| I remember the first time I walked in there for the UFC, I got chills. | ||
| I was like, I can't believe we're here. | ||
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We're here. | |
| I get chills. | ||
| I'm getting goosebumps right now just thinking about it. | ||
| Like, you walk into that place, it has a special feeling, man. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I just hope to God... | ||
| I can get to feel that one day. | ||
| At least one day. | ||
| Come on, New York. | ||
| Come on! | ||
| So right now you're dealing with a bit of a thumb injury, right? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| You have this cast that you have on your arm right now. | ||
| This is to isolate your ligament? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So in the fight, I don't know at what point where one of the punches I threw, I guess I landed with the thumb. | ||
| Because the UFC gloves, they don't protect the thumb. | ||
| There's no padding on the thumb. | ||
| I don't know if I like it or don't like it, but whatever. | ||
| I've been fighting like that with these guys for so long now at this point, I don't really even notice it. | ||
| This is the first time I really, really banged up my hand. | ||
| But it's like the ligament on the radial and the ulnar side that hold the thumb to keep it from turning out. | ||
| My thumb on this side, they compared it, and he saw how lax it was on this side. | ||
| He was like, dude, does this hurt? | ||
| I was like, nah, that's just normal. | ||
| That's my thumb. | ||
| So they think... | ||
| My thumb being able to do that on the other side, maybe it's just my anatomy. | ||
| Do it again? | ||
| Yeah, it's kind of freaky. | ||
| Yeah, but it locks up. | ||
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Oh my god. | |
| Yeah, but it doesn't hurt at all. | ||
| You have like 15 degrees more movement than mine does. | ||
| But I'm double jointed in my thumbs, so I don't know if that's what it is. | ||
| Yeah, that looks like it hurts. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I got tap right here. | ||
| Did you see Craig Jones and Anthony Rumble Johnson had a grappling match? | ||
| I saw, but I didn't get to catch the match. | ||
| Go to Craig Jones' Instagram. | ||
| He wrapped him up quick. | ||
| Oh, damn. | ||
| Rumble took him down. | ||
| Craig Jones got a hold of that leg. | ||
| It's gorgeous. | ||
| It's a beautiful transition. | ||
| If you're a fan of leg locks, Craig Jones, who's... | ||
| Rumble Johnson is obviously a gigantic man. | ||
| He's in like He's like 260 now, and Craig Jones is probably only about 210. But when they rolled... | ||
| But there's a video of it on Craig's Instagram, if you find it. | ||
| Yeah, it's right. | ||
| That's probably it. | ||
| Try it right there. | ||
| Versus Goliath. | ||
| Yeah, Craig Jones versus Goliath. | ||
| Yeah, that's it. | ||
| Is this it? | ||
| Let me see. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| It's a repost he put out. | ||
| Here's the info here. | ||
| Okay, make it like a little larger. | ||
| Presented by Chael Sonnen, Submission Underground. | ||
| This seems like... | ||
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Just the advertisement for it though. | |
| Probably just the highlight. | ||
| Or, yeah, you're right. | ||
| No, it is that. | ||
| Is it just the advertisement? | ||
| I sent it to him. | ||
| I sent him a congratulations and I said, well, maybe it's not on his. | ||
| Maybe it's on his. | ||
| Let me find out real quick. | ||
| Dude, imagine about to fight someone that big and the big guy's like, I'm going to fuck you up. | ||
| And then the other guy's just like, I'm going to break your fucking ankles. | ||
| It's like, damn, that's a... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And then he goes out there and he actually does it, you know? | ||
| No, it says... | ||
| Here, I'll send it to you, Jamie. | ||
| Hold on a second. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Hang on a second. | ||
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All right, Jamie. | |
| I sent it to you. | ||
| Did you get it on the Instagram? | ||
| It's actually from Greg Jones BJJ from his Instagram. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| It wasn't showing. | ||
| Yeah, it wasn't showing up. | ||
| Here it is. | ||
| So watch this. | ||
| So Rumble's on top, and Craig elevates with that right leg, passes him, boom, locks a hold, gets the heel hooked, tap. | ||
| But he didn't fight the hands. | ||
| Not only did he not fight the hands, he didn't even wrap a hold of the heel. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They were still in transition. | ||
| He had the legs laced up, he had inside control. | ||
| See this? | ||
| Watch. | ||
| He gets it, flips, rolls it, he's got the leg, and Rumble's like, I get it. | ||
| Fuck that. | ||
| Fuck that. | ||
| I'm walking out of here. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| It's like, all right, well, now I know. | ||
| I walked in here and I'm walking out. | ||
| That's the more amazing thing about leg locks is smaller people can get away with things from the bottom that it's very difficult to get away with because you're using both of your legs to control a person's leg. | ||
| It's like you have so much strength in leg locks and so much control with those two legs around one leg. | ||
| I mean, you're obviously from the Henzo team, which is, that is where it all started, with John Donaher, with Dean Lister, so to Donaher, and Donaher refined that system, and Eddie Cummings, and all these fucking animals that are coming out of there now. | ||
| There's so many leg lock specialists out of that part of the world. | ||
| Like, that one gym, that Henzo Gracie gym... | ||
| Is responsible for a gigantic evolution in leg locking. | ||
| Yeah, those guys are phenomenal to work with. | ||
| Whenever I can get down there to get some training, it's always fun. | ||
| It's always a battle. | ||
| That Nicky Ryan kid, super young still. | ||
| Gordon Ryan. | ||
| Gary Tonin. | ||
| Gary Tonin. | ||
| Leg lock machines. | ||
| Damien, Jason Rowe, Nick Ronan. | ||
| Those guys are animals. | ||
| Scary. | ||
| Scary. | ||
| Ripping knees apart. | ||
| But you know what they say. | ||
| Why would you ignore 50% of the human body? | ||
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I was like, why? | |
| Why would you? | ||
| Why would you ignore 50% of the human body? | ||
| He's such a weird guy to talk to. | ||
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He's funny, Professor Xavier. | |
| Donner is too smart. | ||
| He makes me nervous. | ||
| He makes me feel like, ah, shit. | ||
| Don't say nothing dumb. | ||
| Don't say nothing dumb. | ||
| What do you do from here? | ||
| I'm like, what do you do? | ||
| Tell me. | ||
| Tell me why you're making me nervous, man. | ||
| I almost say nothing wrong. | ||
| He was making fun of, oh, you have a 10th planet black belt. | ||
| Come on, man. | ||
| Just tell me what to do. | ||
| Don't mock me. | ||
| I want to know. | ||
| I want to learn. | ||
| John, this is a judge-free zone, damn it. | ||
| But he's so smart in his analysis of positions. | ||
| Instead of just rolling and getting better and drilling and comparing, he's done just like a systematic analysis of various positions. | ||
| What you need to do, what you need to master, where you're going from here. | ||
| And from what I understand from everybody, Eddie Cummings is a big part of that as well. | ||
| Oh, I've left him out. | ||
| Yeah, Eddie Cummings is a master. | ||
| He's a master. | ||
| Just so good at leg locks. | ||
| I've watched that guy compete multiple times online. | ||
| His transitions are so smooth. | ||
| It's amazing. | ||
| I think I saw him compete at Eddie Bravo's Invitational, too, at EBI. I'm pretty sure I was there for him. | ||
| That rule set is an interesting rule set. | ||
| I think that's the best rule set. | ||
| If you get a stalemate at the end of the initial time period, then from there you have a chance to go at it for a certain amount of time until someone gets tapped. | ||
| And you start out in different positions. | ||
| You start out either with back control or what you call spider web. | ||
| You're on side control, your legs are across the face, and you have the arm trapped. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But you don't have an arm bar fully extended, and you're like, ready, go. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And you start from there, and then they calculate how long it takes to escape versus whether or not somebody tapped. | ||
| So if you tap somebody, they have a chance to tap you, and they have a chance to get back in that same position. | ||
| But if you tap them quicker than they tap you, then you win. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's great. | ||
| The only position of that that I just really didn't like that much was the back control position. | ||
| Because you see a lot of the times the guys will escape and let the guy end up in mount and then that would be considered an escape. | ||
| But was that really an escape? | ||
| If you're in a fist fight, do you really want to be there in that position, mounted? | ||
| You didn't escape shit. | ||
| You're going to get fucked up. | ||
| It's a good point, right? | ||
| You should have to escape escape. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You should have to get out of mount. | ||
| But that's what I'm saying. | ||
| It's like when you think about it, the concept of like, are we training guys to sap mount? | ||
| Right. | ||
| Is that what happens? | ||
| So I'm not 100% sure on this Gio Martinez. | ||
| Gio, who's a beast, he's one of Eddie's black belts, actually caught Cummings in an arm bar. | ||
| He's one of the few guys that I've ever seen tap Eddie. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And this was from Spiderweb. | ||
| But you notice when he goes to Spiderweb, he controls that right leg. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Oh, I didn't even notice that. | ||
| It's very, very important. | ||
| For the bridging. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's also, you could keep control of one part of the body so there's no movement side to side, right? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| He's not moving around towards the head. | ||
| He's stuck in that spot. | ||
| So whether or not he extends or doesn't extend, whether or not he catches the arm there, I mean, you could still defend. | ||
| It's possible. | ||
| But it cuts out a lot of the pathways. | ||
| He creates a lot of control. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| There's no rocking. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| Even here. | ||
| Even here. | ||
| He's still got that leg. | ||
| He's still got that leg. | ||
| And you're always in a bad spot with a guy like Gio, who's a... | ||
| He's an armbar... | ||
| Well, he's just a jiu-jitsu master, but... | ||
| What weight is this? | ||
| 45? | ||
| I think it's 45, I believe. | ||
| And Gio, like his brother Richie, they started out as breakdancers. | ||
| These guys are strong as fuck. | ||
| They have crazy physical dexterity. | ||
| They can do all kinds of nutty shit with their bodies. | ||
| Now he's got the near side leg. | ||
| Now he's going back to the far. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And this is a bad fight to showcase Eddie Cummings. | ||
| He wound up getting caught. | ||
| But he got caught here because they started out from spiderweb. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, he's not starting out from a neutral position. | ||
| He's starting out from a disadvantage, and this is one of the rare times. | ||
| So he's got the arm in that spiderweb, and now he's got like a figure four. | ||
| Well, he had the figure four. | ||
| It's like a little loose now, but he had... | ||
| Well, yeah, it's really loose. | ||
| It's called an arm crush. | ||
| So he was going for like a biceps... | ||
| Okay, and then... | ||
| Really, it almost snaps your forearm. | ||
| No, it sucks. | ||
| Tremendous, tremendous pressure on the forearm. | ||
| It's awful. | ||
| Especially when you go big guys. | ||
| Yeah, but it could be a bicep slicer as well. | ||
| Those positions are terrible. | ||
| Just the crushing of the limb like that, it's a terrible feeling. | ||
| But he eventually catches him here. | ||
| Dude, your arm is so shot after getting out of that. | ||
| I know. | ||
| You don't want it. | ||
| It's so compressed. | ||
| It's a horrible feeling, too. | ||
| It's like... | ||
| Forearms and your leg and the leg, the back of the calf is crushing it and the other leg is squeezing down like a triangle. | ||
| It's awful. | ||
| Jiu-jitsu is amazing, man. | ||
| It was amazing martial art. | ||
| I would probably forever do it to my late 40s, 50s. | ||
| As long as I'm still able-bodied and all that, you know? | ||
| If you find good training partners, you can do it. | ||
| The thing about the human body is you only got so many explosions in you. | ||
| So many times you could push a guy off you. | ||
| So many times you could dive forward. | ||
| So many times you could just thrust up from the bottom. | ||
| But if you do things with the right technique, like John Jock Machado, I think he's at least 50. John Jock still rolls and he doesn't have any injuries. | ||
| He still rolls. | ||
| But you never see John Jock just like... | ||
| He never goons out of anything. | ||
| You know how a guy can goon out of stuff? | ||
| I've gooned out of things before. | ||
| When someone catches you and you just fucking... | ||
| You just explode and you catch them when they're maybe resting a little bit and you goon out of it. | ||
| He never goons out. | ||
| Everything is smooth and technique. | ||
| It's all defense. | ||
| It's perfect. | ||
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Yeah, yeah. | |
| It just flows. | ||
| It's not like, get off of me! | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Well, that was what's interesting about watching Michael Chiesa and Diego Sanchez. | ||
| Like, he flowed. | ||
| It just flowed. | ||
| There was no, like, he didn't have to do anything crazy. | ||
| He was in control. | ||
| Like, from the moment he clinched him, got a hold of him, he's just moving constantly, chaining, you know, chaining control, submission attempts, control, submission attempts. | ||
| It was just beautiful. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| I gotta rewatch that fight. | ||
| I was at a wedding when I was watching those fights. | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| So, I was like partially with my dancing shoes because I didn't want to be like disrespectful. | ||
| So, we got the fights up and we're like hovering over the table. | ||
| Oh, speaking of which, shit. | ||
| I told Eve Edwards we would watch that shit while it's on the background. | ||
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Oh. | |
| Turn the TV on and put it on ESPN2. If it's on ESPN2 or is it on... | ||
| Eventually it goes to ESPN+. Let's see if it's on ESPN2 right now. | ||
| 5 o'clock probably is. | ||
| He said, okay, word to your mother and other motherfuckers. | ||
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Doug Jitsu! | |
| I totally would watch it. | ||
| I love that dude. | ||
| I'm glad he's making his way into transitioning into commentary too. | ||
| He's excellent. | ||
| Yeah, really good. | ||
| He's such a technical fighter. | ||
| That, uh, he's, uh, really good at transitioning into, uh, what's happening with the television? | ||
| Oh, by the way, just, I forgot we didn't, I never finished my, um... | ||
| Bed story. | ||
| Yeah, well, not even the bed. | ||
| Like, so, let's go back real quick and just to finish it, because people are probably going to ask me, like, whatever happened with your mom and whatever. | ||
| Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| So, so... | ||
| So, after the Cody Stamen fight, I needed to win that fight. | ||
| Otherwise, I would have been in a really bad spot because of all the renovations I did to my house. | ||
| Because my house smelled like cigarettes. | ||
| It was really fucked up. | ||
| But I got in a short sale in a really nice neighborhood. | ||
| And Masapico, I'm in the hood. | ||
| The hood of Masapico now. | ||
| It's not the hood. | ||
| It's really nice. | ||
| It's really nice over there. | ||
| We have a lawn. | ||
| Yeah, so that's nice. | ||
| You get a short sale, like some other ones folly and fuck up. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You can sneak in and take a nice house in a nice neighborhood. | ||
| It's almost disrespectful in a way. | ||
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A little bit. | |
| They were... | ||
| They were kind of happy to get rid of it, to be honest. | ||
| I think they were struggling with the payments or whatnot. | ||
| So it was cool. | ||
| But I love my neighborhood. | ||
| I don't have real neighbors. | ||
| I have side yards, so I'm not in anyone's way. | ||
| But to make ends meet, I Airbnb my house. | ||
| So I sleep in a basement. | ||
| So that's why I had to pull out cats because I didn't want to make it all packed up. | ||
| You know, like the little cricket guys that be jumping around all over the place. | ||
| I didn't want a ton of shit for them to hide and start making little cricket babies. | ||
| So I just got the pullout couch. | ||
| This is a lot easier to clean. | ||
| Got a rug, whatever. | ||
| Crickets in your house are so fucking annoying if you can't find them. | ||
| They're the worst. | ||
| They are the fucking worst. | ||
| Bitch, I will find you. | ||
| And I will kill you. | ||
| But I don't kill crickets most of the time. | ||
| Most of the time I grab them and I throw them outside. | ||
| I don't know why. | ||
| You grab them with your hands? | ||
| I'm prejudiced against certain bugs. | ||
| If I find a spider, it's dead. | ||
| You're dead. | ||
| You're dead. | ||
| But if I find a cricket, I'm like, aw, little fella. | ||
| Come on, let me get you. | ||
| They don't bite? | ||
| I heard they bite your hands. | ||
| Cricket ain't hurting me. | ||
| It's a fucking cricket. | ||
| Just trust me, bro. | ||
| I'm just trying to get you outside. | ||
| I'm trying not to kill you. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| I get the little traps, the sticky traps, and I feel so bad because they just wither away. | ||
| And I'm like, it's such a fucked up way to go. | ||
| But I'm like, you came into my hood. | ||
| You came into my territory. | ||
| This is my land. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| Snakes in my yard, dead. | ||
| All of them. | ||
| You have snakes. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Rattlesnakes. | ||
| Rattlesnakes. | ||
| Dead. | ||
| Dead. | ||
| All of them. | ||
| People say, you shouldn't kill any- Shut the fuck up. | ||
| I have kids. | ||
| You have rattlesnakes in your yard? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Out here, man? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Out here in California? | ||
| For sure. | ||
| Rattlesnakes are everywhere. | ||
| I went to look at a house and- I stomped a rattlesnake to death in the front yard of the house, of this house that we were looking at. | ||
| Poisonous? | ||
| Yes! | ||
| There was a fucking rattlesnake sitting there in the front yard. | ||
| And I just saw it. | ||
| I said, okay, I'm just going to go. | ||
| This is what I would do if I lived here. | ||
| I'm going to stomp this motherfucker. | ||
| I knew I was in a position. | ||
| They're not that fast. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| They're fast when they strike. | ||
| But if a rattlesnake is flattened out and it can't see you, it doesn't see you coming, I'll stomp that motherfucker. | ||
| I just crushed his head. | ||
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Dude! | |
| Stomped him. | ||
| That's badass, because I would not fuck with that thing. | ||
| I wouldn't if it was like pulling back. | ||
| It was like... | ||
| But I saw where it was, and these people live in this house that they were selling. | ||
| And I was like, they don't want this fucking thing here. | ||
| No one wants a rattlesnake there. | ||
| In their fucking yard and shit. | ||
| Smashed his fucking head. | ||
| I would have been scared shitless, man. | ||
| I'm like, I'm calling the exterminator. | ||
| Well, I developed a real anger for them when they bit my dogs. | ||
| I've had three times I've had to take my dogs to the veterinarian with their face all swole up like a water balloon going out of the side of their head because they got bit. | ||
| Rattlesticks are fucked up too because what their venom does is it digests your tissue. | ||
| Something about their venom is how it helps them eat rabbits and things that they kill. | ||
| Because the venom, not only does it kill you, but it kind of breaks down your tissue. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So when people get bitten by it, it's real bad, man. | ||
| They have to get these horrible skin grafts, and they get necrosis, where all the tissue around where the bite was all dies off. | ||
| It's like sometimes you can see the bone. | ||
| I get a rot down to the bone. | ||
| Yeah! | ||
| It's not for the weak heart. | ||
| That's why. | ||
| Stop! | ||
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Stop! | |
| It's all those motherfuckers out. | ||
| Fuck you! | ||
| You got to go. | ||
| Fuck you! | ||
| Stop! | ||
| Or you. | ||
| See, I'm not big into the wilderness, surprisingly, because my parents are from Jamaica, so we have that Caribbean upbringing. | ||
| We weren't raised in a traditional American home, like the lifestyle, so we have different rules and everything, and we never really experienced that type of stuff in Jamaica and shit like that. | ||
| What's going on, Jim? | ||
| Well, one, I can't figure out why the DirecTV is not coming through the TV, but two, it doesn't even start for another 25 minutes. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| It starts at 5.30. | ||
| All right. | ||
| We'll check it out in five minutes, or 25 minutes. | ||
| Does it start on ESPN Plus in 25 minutes? | ||
| I was looking for ESPN Plus. | ||
| It's not on there. | ||
| It says ESPN 2 at 5.30. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| I'm looking. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Must be the previews, though, or the prelims. | ||
| Maybe there's prelims first? | ||
| That's what I would think, but it's not... | ||
| Oh, here we go. | ||
| Well, I like that the PFL's doing what they're doing. | ||
| Just go up to the machine and see if you get the remote control. | ||
| ESPN Plus won't work on that TV. I'd have to get it through my laptop. | ||
| It will be at ESPN Plus at 5.30? | ||
| No. | ||
| ESPN 2 is at 5.30. | ||
| This is that problem we had even with him when we were trying to explain it. | ||
| So it should be on ESPN Plus right now. | ||
| I'm trying to get it on there. | ||
| And then ESPN 2 would be at 5.30. | ||
| Right, which would be on the TV, but I can't even get... | ||
| I don't know why DirecTV is not working on TV. We'll figure it out. | ||
| We'll figure it out. | ||
| Eve Edwards, shout out. | ||
| I like the fact that they're doing that, though. | ||
| The PFL's giving away all that money. | ||
| I love it. | ||
| I love it. | ||
| Six or eight people each year? | ||
| Was it six or eight? | ||
| I think it was 66 on the show. | ||
| A million dollars if you win the season. | ||
| That's amazing. | ||
| Probably more money. | ||
| I think that's more money than I've made in 13 UFC fights. | ||
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That's crazy. | |
| You thinking about jumping ship? | ||
| Nah. | ||
| You know what it is? | ||
| I would need to... | ||
| Before I would ever do that, I would want to win the belt. | ||
| And I think that's a very obtainable and realistic thing for me to be able to realize that dream before I would ever jump ship. | ||
| Because it's almost like what Mighty Mouse did. | ||
| He was okay with leaving because he was a UFC champ, super dominant. | ||
| He didn't really lose that Sayuda fight in my eyes. | ||
| I don't think he lost that fight. | ||
| I think at worst... | ||
| At best, it was a draw. | ||
| I don't think there was any real clear-cut loser, but I didn't think Sayudo won. | ||
| I didn't think Mighty Mouse lost. | ||
| But for him to go to another organization, and if he does win the belt, it's arguably like you really can't deny the guy is one of the GOATs, if not the GOAT. So that's the way I kind of look at it. | ||
| And I'd probably be retired anyway because 32 is close. | ||
| I think as now, you can't deny him anyway. | ||
| I mean, no matter what happens from here on out, Mighty Mouse, in my opinion, technically is the best ever. | ||
| The best ever technically. | ||
| The thing about him versus Jon Jones, in my eyes, is that Jon has faced stiffer competition. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I think Jon just fought more dangerous guys, and also Jon is completely undefeated. | ||
| He only has that one loss to Matt Hamill, which is a disqualification in a fight where he was totally dominant in, where I think it was a bad call anyway. | ||
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Yeah? | |
| I thought Matt was fucking him up. | ||
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Matt Hammer? | |
| What? | ||
| How dare you? | ||
| You confused the shit out of me. | ||
| I was like, do I have a tumor? | ||
| Is my memory completely shot? | ||
| Fuck! | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| But then I look at it like this. | ||
| See, now that Mighty Mouse is removed and there's new life at the flyweight division, everything is super competitive now, right? | ||
| So it goes to show, maybe it speaks volume on just how good... | ||
| Mighty Mouse just really is compared to everybody else. | ||
| Maybe that's why the division just looked like that. | ||
| And people are like, oh, you're just little guys, not like fighting the big guys. | ||
| I get that, but it's like... | ||
| The same thing with Jon Jones, but now there's like closer competition. | ||
| Now you see Jon Jones going through decisions a lot more as opposed to finishing the older veterans, the pioneers who were the Shogun, who was the Rampage Jacksons, the... | ||
| Who else has he murdered? | ||
| Matty Ushank. | ||
| I mean, he wasn't a champ, but... | ||
| Vitor Belfort, like those guys, even though Vitor almost snapped that arm in half. | ||
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That was crazy. | |
| Fucking insane. | ||
| I jumped out of my fucking couch. | ||
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Whoa! | |
| Well, that showed you what an animal John is. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| That he didn't tap. | ||
| He just let his arm get fucking jacked and then wound up tapping Vitor the next round. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| John is... | ||
| He's not just talented. | ||
| His mind is just unstoppable. | ||
| He's just got incredible... | ||
| His ability to overcome adversity, his ability to get out of bad situations, his ability to press on. | ||
| We saw that in the Gustafson fight. | ||
| I mean, he wasn't in shape for that fight at all. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| They said he was barely training. | ||
| Bro, I... I've partied with John. | ||
| Not like the hardcore party that he does, that he has done. | ||
| Let me say he has done. | ||
| I'm not sure if he still parties like that, but when he was partying, I would see him at the bar in Ithaca or he'll come out to Cortland College because Ithaca was right down the road. | ||
| This was like when he was kind of going back and forth between Jackson's and our gym when I was upstate at Bomb Squad, right before he like officially left. | ||
| And then he was just coming home and going back to Jackson's, coming home, going back to Jackson's. | ||
| And it would be like a couple weeks before his fight, and this guy would be out there, shots, and he'd be asking me if I want a drink. | ||
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I'm like, yo, dude, I'm fighting in like four weeks. | |
| I can't do that. | ||
| I have a hard time cutting weight. | ||
| For him, I was like, dude, it's not hard for you to cut weight if you get fucked up like this? | ||
| I mean, I didn't ask him that, but I was like, I told him, I got a fight coming up. | ||
| I'm like, but I know you got a fight coming up, but clearly it does not fucking matter because you're Jon Jones. | ||
| You're just going out there tooling people anyway. | ||
| How funny was it what he said to Daniel Cormier? | ||
| I've beat you when I was on cocaine. | ||
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Yeah, yeah. | |
| Cocaine's a hell of a drug. | ||
| This is a crazy thing to say to someone. | ||
| I beat you and I did cocaine. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That says... | ||
| He's laughing. | ||
| That says a lot, though, man. | ||
| It does say a lot. | ||
| And DC's a fucking animal, you know? | ||
| So it's like, is it just Jon Jones, DC, and then everybody else, you know? | ||
| He's that good, man. | ||
| But I'll tell you what, man, that Tiago Santos is a motherfucker. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He kicked the shit out of John's legs, put him in real danger, and, you know, I think John would have made a way easier fight if he decided to take him to the ground, but he never did. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| See, and I talked about that fight on my podcast this morning. | ||
| I do it on Wednesdays. | ||
| Tell everybody what your podcast is, where they get it. | ||
| Oh, the Weekly Scraps? | ||
| You can get it on iTunes, Spotify, Google Play, TuneIn, and my website, aljaminestern.com. | ||
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Holla! | |
| Holla back, youngie. | ||
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Woo-hoo! | |
| So what'd you say? | ||
| See, the way I broke that fight down, I was like, John was always the guy, the aggressor, pushing forward, walking him down, cutting him off and pushing him back towards the cage. | ||
| And then Tiago looked like he was just kind of waiting and waiting to pounce, like he was looking for John to take a half step where he could time it while he was off balance and try to rush him and blitz him with those big bungalows he was throwing, as Rampage Jackson calls them. | ||
| So... | ||
| I didn't feel like he connected on anything significant besides the leg kick early in the first round where he kicked his leg out. | ||
| I was like, alright, this fight's gonna be interesting because he's attacking the legs early. | ||
| But then he started attacking the legs more, but I felt like some of it wasn't really like... | ||
| It didn't seem like it was really affecting John... | ||
| The way people, like, watching it live, I thought it was landing a lot more. | ||
| And then when I re-watched it, I was like, I don't know. | ||
| I have to really, like, I'm looking at it and I put it in slow-mo. | ||
| And I'm watching the fight and I'm like, well, that punch didn't connect. | ||
| That punch didn't connect. | ||
| And he did throw one head kick that John got his hand up at the very last second and was able to block it. | ||
| The one Dana White posted, like, a picture on Instagram. | ||
| We're saying how tough he was fighting on the torn ACL, the PCL. And the MCL. And the MCL and the meniscus. | ||
| His fucking knee's gone. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| What was that? | ||
| The first or second round? | ||
| First round. | ||
| First round? | ||
| First round. | ||
| Might have been the second. | ||
| He threw a kick and we noticed his knee buckled. | ||
| Buckled. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| I think it was the first round. | ||
| Was it the first round? | ||
| And fractured shin. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Fractured shin too? | ||
| All right, fuck. | ||
| Oh, well that was one thing too when he buckled and he threw a kick. | ||
| And he was still throwing that motherfucker. | ||
| He was crazy. | ||
| Fractured tibia. | ||
| Tibia. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| That's what it was. | ||
| That's hardcore. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's the big one. | ||
| That's the big shin bone, not the smaller one, the fibula. | ||
| Yeah, all the CCs of blood I saw them drinking that shit out. | ||
| Oh my god! | ||
| They're pulling out a quart of milk out of his fucking knee. | ||
| Look at it. | ||
| And they've already got a bunch in that little bucket. | ||
| Yeah, Dr. Sanders did that, right? | ||
| Holy shit, man. | ||
| From the UFC, yeah. | ||
| I think it was him who did that operation. | ||
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Ah! | |
| Ouch! | ||
| More. | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| Yeah, that knee is mangled. | ||
| So he had to immediately go into surgery after that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| His knee was mangled. | ||
| Poor bastard. | ||
| What a tough guy. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I just felt like John was still controlling, dictating the waltz. | ||
| It looked like there was moments where it was like, oh! | ||
| But he didn't really hit them. | ||
| Well, he definitely kicked the shit out of his legs. | ||
| John had to be carried out. | ||
| In a wheelchair. | ||
| And he landed some shots to the head with punches, but John moved with them. | ||
| Yeah, like rolling a little bit. | ||
| Yeah, he rolled with them. | ||
| He kept his hands up. | ||
| He took... | ||
| Got caught, but he moved back. | ||
| He's so good at that. | ||
| He's amazing at it. | ||
| He's the best ever at controlling distance. | ||
| He does the finger range. | ||
| Yeah, pokey. | ||
| The pokey range. | ||
| Put your left foot in. | ||
| He's so good at that. | ||
| It's really insane how he does that shit. | ||
| I'm like, dude, no one's going to get past those long-ass fucking go-go gadget inspector arms. | ||
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You know what I mean? | |
| Yeah, but it's dangerous when the eyes get in the midst. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Because it happened to a bunch of fighters. | ||
| Oh, a bunch of guys. | ||
| He's claimed... | ||
| You know how they have Ronda Rousey collecting arms on the shelf like they did those pitches? | ||
| John's got eyeballs from every single one of his fingers. | ||
| You know, the whole light heavyweight division is in a strange state right now. | ||
| Because it's like, you got John Jones, and then who else? | ||
| You know, you got Johnny Walker, who looked fantastic when he knocked out Misha Tsurkonov, but then he fell down and fucked himself up. | ||
| His shoulder's still fucked up, man. | ||
| They showed him doing rehab, like real recently, on his Instagram page. | ||
| And I'm like, whoa! | ||
| This was like six months later. | ||
| If that's all he can lift... | ||
| That's like stabilizer muscles and stuff that's around the shoulder. | ||
| That shoulder might be fucked. | ||
| You did your shoulder? | ||
| I did my shoulder, my labrum. | ||
| Yeah, I've had a bunch of stem cells shot into my shoulder that healed it up. | ||
| But I had some pretty significant shoulder injuries. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You did the labrum surgery, rotator cuff, nothing? | ||
| No surgery. | ||
| I put out a full-length rotator cuff tear. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And they used exosomes, and it was gone. | ||
| The next MRI I had, the tear was gone. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It just seals up. | ||
| They did exosomes with platelet-rich plasma, and they mix it together and shoot it into the injury. | ||
| And I went through the rehab, and then I got another MRI like six months later, eight months later, whatever it was. | ||
| When it started feeling good, they said, well, let's take a look at it. | ||
| And they were like, holy shit. | ||
| Like Dr. Roddy McGee from Vegas, who does a lot of the UFC stuff, he goes, do you know how crazy that is? | ||
| He's like, your tear is gone. | ||
| It doesn't exist anymore. | ||
| That's, I gotta see that. | ||
| That's like fucking next level shit. | ||
| Why don't they offer that to us when we have fucked up injuries? | ||
| I'm like, my neck, my back, like, wouldn't that help? | ||
| Well, I mean, if they really think that you need it, and they, I don't know if they know that you have this injury, like, maybe you have to ask for it. | ||
| I feel like if you were one of your top guys, you would want us to be back healthy and as best as we can possibly be. | ||
| It's not prohibitively expensive for the UFC either. | ||
| If you talk to Dr. Davidson, I'll connect you with Dr. McGee. | ||
| Last time I was with McGee, yeah, he's got the good shit. | ||
| Dr. Roddy McGee in Vegas is always at the cutting edge. | ||
| That guy is like, every time I talk to him, there's some new thing that's going on. | ||
| There's new stuff now called Wharton's Jelly that is even more powerful than any of the previous stem cell ones, and I had that shit shot into my shoulder too. | ||
| And that's all in the States? | ||
| All in the States, yeah. | ||
| The stuff in the States now is way more potent than it was just five years ago. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Way more. | ||
| You had a guest on, and they were talking about going to... | ||
| Dr. Neil Reardon. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Panama. | ||
| Panama. | ||
| They're on another level down in Panama. | ||
| I sent my mom down there. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| My mom has a pretty bad knee, and it helped it, but she's going to go down again. | ||
| It's heavy shit, man. | ||
| They do IV stem cells, too. | ||
| They do a gang of shit down there. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So let me ask you, so what exactly does it help? | ||
| Does it help with like... | ||
| Regenerate soft tissue. | ||
| So like, would that be like a tendon, a ligament? | ||
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Yes. | |
| Tendons, ligaments, muscle injuries, things along those lines. | ||
| They can regenerate ligaments, regenerate tissue, tears, you know, like stuff where you ordinarily would have to get things sewn up. | ||
| Like here's a perfect example. | ||
| My friend John, his wife had a labrum tear. | ||
| So she had a tear in the labrum of her hip. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And the doctor was saying, most likely we're going to have to fix this. | ||
| It's going to be a big deal. | ||
| It's going to be months off your feet. | ||
| You can't put any weight on it for, I think, six to eight weeks or something like that. | ||
| Well, she got exosomes shot in there, and then when they went in for the second MRI, there's nothing. | ||
| No injury. | ||
| Gone. | ||
| That's freaky. | ||
| Freaky. | ||
| So she had a little bit of a deformity in the bone of her hip that was causing an irritation against the labrum. | ||
| They sanded down that part of the hip that was kind of bothering her. | ||
| They cut away the part of the bone that's intruding on the labrum so that it clears the path. | ||
| So it's not that invasive a surgery and then six weeks later she's good to go. | ||
| I mean she's rehabbing and everything and they still had to cut her open a little bit but the big one was the labrum tear and all that was fixed. | ||
| So, I had a bicep tendon repair. | ||
| Now, my bicep rolled up. | ||
| I don't know if you've seen Matt Serra's arm. | ||
| It's like rolled up. | ||
| He never got his fish. | ||
| He never got it done. | ||
| He just took the fight and whatever. | ||
| And I was contemplating doing the same thing. | ||
| It was after I lost to Brian Carraway. | ||
| That was like the most devastating time of my life. | ||
| That was like... | ||
| I went off the fucking rails, but... | ||
| How did you go off the rails? | ||
| That's another story. | ||
| I was just... | ||
| Binge drinking. | ||
| I was just out partying nonstop. | ||
| My girlfriend and I went through a pretty bad breakup at the point too. | ||
| And it was like... | ||
| It was two fights in a row. | ||
| We got into fights. | ||
| I beat Johnny Eduardo. | ||
| We got into a fight at the hotel. | ||
| And it got bad. | ||
| Like real bad. | ||
| To the point where my brother's seen it. | ||
| She has a nice... | ||
| She has a good right hook, let's just say. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| To the back of my skull. | ||
| Damn. | ||
| It got physical. | ||
| It got physical. | ||
| But isn't that unfair? | ||
| It's super unfair. | ||
| Because she knows that you can't do it back. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But she knows how I kind of grew up. | ||
| Not kind of. | ||
| She knows how I grew up. | ||
| And it's a good thing one of my brothers were there, Troy. | ||
| He fights also. | ||
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He's pro. | |
| That's another story. | ||
| He's actually a pretty good rapper. | ||
| But I think that's more of his calling than fighting, in my personal opinion. | ||
| He's more dedicated. | ||
| I would just say that. | ||
| So he saw it, but I remember I would tell him stuff like, nah man, sometimes this girl's crazy, but I think that's all females, whatever. | ||
| And he was like, dude, if I wasn't in the room to see that, I would never have believed you that she would ever do anything like that. | ||
| I'm like, now you know I'm not fucking lying. | ||
| I'm not fucking crazy. | ||
| I'm not full of shit. | ||
| I've only had one girl swing at me ever. | ||
| I couldn't believe it. | ||
| As she was swinging at me, I was like, I don't believe this is happening. | ||
| It was real telegraph. | ||
| She had zero training. | ||
| Did you weave? | ||
| I just ducked under it and grabbed it. | ||
| I was like, I can't even believe this. | ||
| I had to duck under it and just get a hold of it. | ||
| I'm like, what are you doing? | ||
| Yeah, I covered up because I didn't want to fight. | ||
| I didn't want to argue. | ||
| I'm like, I just came off the biggest win. | ||
| I finished Johnny Eduardo. | ||
| I was like, it was a boring fight, but I got the finish. | ||
| That's when I did the decapitating hangman thing. | ||
| And then I started doing the Millie Rock or whatever on any block. | ||
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So I was on cloud nine, you know, I'm like celebrating. | |
| And the way the fight started, she kind of like, she got more drunk than me at my own after party. | ||
| And I was like, yo, babe, I'm not in the mood to be holding your hair tonight in the toilet because it's my night. | ||
| And I get it, you're happy for me, but let me be more happy than you. | ||
| Let me be the one really, really enjoying this moment. | ||
| And I just told her, like, baby, slow down. | ||
| Like, can you drink a little water? | ||
| And that turned, it just spiraled out of control. | ||
| You don't think I know how to drink? | ||
| Dude, it went, it got crazy. | ||
| It got crazy. | ||
| But then, long story short, she, right hook, left hook. | ||
| One of those, I think her hand is still fucked up from that point. | ||
| Till this day. | ||
| He puts that hashtag on his posts. | ||
| It's everything. | ||
| It's the greatest fucking thing. | ||
| To this day. | ||
| It's a great hashtag. | ||
| They're your people too! | ||
| Especially since he flatlines everybody. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| To this day. | ||
| But then the next fight, Carraway, another big fight. | ||
| And we were still like shaky, you know, getting into arguments a lot. | ||
| And I think we were kind of like... | ||
| It's like six years in at this point. | ||
| No, like five years in. | ||
| We're still figuring things out. | ||
| We're young, figuring things out. | ||
| I'm still enjoying the fruits of my labor. | ||
| I'm on top of the world right now. | ||
| I'm ranked fourth in the world. | ||
| About to have the biggest fight against Brian Carraway. | ||
| Potential title implications on the line. | ||
| I did a lot of dumb stuff. | ||
| I was talking to other people. | ||
| I'm a very flirtatious guy. | ||
| I try not to cross the line. | ||
| Sometimes... | ||
| Sometimes, whatever. | ||
| Sometimes you cross the line. | ||
| Shit gets ugly. | ||
| By accident. | ||
| It's not like an intentional thing. | ||
| You know, I love her or whatever. | ||
| And, um... | ||
| But then after that fight, I lost. | ||
| My first loss. | ||
| I cried in my after-party. | ||
| I was at Dre's. | ||
| All my boys and families were there. | ||
| Some of my sponsors. | ||
| It was a hard moment. | ||
| It wasn't a devastating loss, but it was a split-decision loss. | ||
| I never thought it would happen like that. | ||
| Especially not to that motherfucker. | ||
| I was like, dude, I talk so much shit. | ||
| I'm trying to build that fight up. | ||
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I can't believe I did all this work. | |
| And then came up short because... | ||
| I just shot myself in the foot, whatever. | ||
| And the next day went to the pool because it was early and she likes to sleep in. | ||
| When she gets the opportunity to work, she's on vacation, she sleeps the fuck in. | ||
| Me, I'm like, I'm up, 8, 9 o'clock, I'm out, I'm having a drink, I'm by the pool, feed up, I'm under my umbrella because I try not to tan. | ||
| I already got enough of that. | ||
| She comes up. | ||
| Where you at? | ||
| And I think I go back to the room and it turns into another fucking fight. | ||
| And at that point, that's when I kind of like, you know what? | ||
| I don't give a fuck. | ||
| I'm talking to anybody, any girl I see. | ||
| I think that's hot. | ||
| I'm going to talk to them. | ||
| And if I get caught, I get caught. | ||
| I don't really give a shit anymore. | ||
| And I did get caught. | ||
| And it was a rocky, very rocky time. | ||
| And I was, like I said, I was just drinking nonstop. | ||
| And I was just kind of being a fuck up, man. | ||
| I never did like hardcore drugs or anything. | ||
| You know, I would smoke, but... | ||
| It's just hard psychologically to handle a big loss like that? | ||
| Is that what it is? | ||
| It just throws you off? | ||
| You know what? | ||
| I've lost a lot of my life. | ||
| I would think that I've battled back from a lot of adversity, just dealing with the stuff with my dad and my parents, my dad going through a few divorces and the domestic abuse and being the first one to go to college and finish college, becoming a two-time All-American. | ||
| I have a lot of things to be proud of and a lot of things that set me back, but I was able to overcome those obstacles and then To have that happen, I thought this was my calling. | ||
| I thought it was going to be the Floyd Mayweather of MMA, man. | ||
| Well, you know, sometimes when you come from a background where you've had a lot of losses and a lot of bad things have happened, but then all of a sudden great things are happening and you're moving forward and you've got progress, setbacks are sometimes even more devastating because you start thinking about going back to the way things used to be. | ||
| The way maybe your parents lived or the way other people you know lived. | ||
| And when you see that life, you're like, fuck this. | ||
| I can't believe I lost. | ||
| Because you had anticipated that you were just going to keep moving forward. | ||
| Yeah, 100%. | ||
| So when it does happen, sometimes it's more devastating than someone who doesn't have high aspirations and isn't on a roll. | ||
| Sometimes when you're on a roll, like a real roll, and you lose, it's like the worst thing that can happen. | ||
| Because you think, fuck, I thought everything had changed. | ||
| I thought I had just reshaped my future. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And you're 100% right. | ||
| And I thought I was on the cusp of really changing my family's life. | ||
| This is before things really got crazy with, like, the divorce and my dad. | ||
| My dad came out of jail 2014 in October. | ||
| And from there, it had just been a shit storm, like... | ||
| them calling the cops on each other and getting orders of protection. | ||
| I had my brothers even writing like, you know, Jamal, the guy on Juicy Air Smalley, or the guy who made up that fake thing that he got- - Jussie Smalley? - Yeah, with the hanging thing and said people jumped him and whatever. | ||
| So that guy, they would put like his, like draw him on my door, like on a picture and post it on my door whenever I would leave for fights or leave their training. | ||
| I'll come home and me and my brothers, we were bumping heads. | ||
| And it was like my dad and like his side of my, not my mom's kids, like the other side, like the other half. | ||
| It was, like, them against, like, me. | ||
| Because it was such a weird thing. | ||
| They were fucking with you? | ||
| They were fucking me in the house. | ||
| And it was like, dude, I don't understand how you guys see one person, like, really, really trying to do something, push for, like, to be successful or something, and you guys just want to tear it down. | ||
| I mean, our relationship is so much better now, so let me make sure I say that. | ||
| But back then, it was so toxic, man, and I was dealing with that, and at a point, eventually, I had to just get the fuck out of the house. | ||
| But my girlfriend was there. | ||
| She was there from all that chaos and shit. | ||
| So when she was being the negative Nancy, and I felt like, yo, there's just so much burden going on in my life, and now you're adding to it by stressing me the fuck out. | ||
| I was like, dude, I'd just rather just be alone, you know? | ||
| And just be a fucking bachelor with a bachelor's. | ||
| This is the way life was supposed to play out. | ||
| I guess this is what happened. | ||
| I thought she showed her true colors. | ||
| But I knew deep down she just cared about me and she just wanted me to do the right thing. | ||
| And she didn't know how to handle a boyfriend being in the spotlight. | ||
| I'm pretty sure you've probably had your fair share of battles coming up. | ||
| It's challenging. | ||
| And for the male, the person, not even the male, guy or female, whoever's in the spotlight, being able to handle that and do the right thing In certain situations, it can be very, very tough sometimes, you know? | ||
| Well, I think a person in your position, too, where you're so close to a shot at the title, there's so many things that could go wrong that could fuck you up or go right and could elevate you. | ||
| And it's a delicate balancing act with personal life, economics, your health, training, trainers, training partners. | ||
| Like, everything has to kind of be in place if you're eventually going to make that next step And gain the title. | ||
| It's like, there's that weird... | ||
| And there's a lot of stress involved with something like that. | ||
| Well, you are managing all these things. | ||
| And so any problem that you might have in your relationship goes sour. | ||
| That fucks everything up. | ||
| Because then the whole system is all wacky. | ||
| If the system is smooth, like you and your girl get along good... | ||
| You and your training partners get along good. | ||
| Everything's good. | ||
| We're all positive. | ||
| We're moving in the right direction. | ||
| You have less ripples in the water. | ||
| We're good. | ||
| And then that, good or bad, can have a significant impact on your future right now. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I agree 100%. | ||
| It's just been a really crazy roller coaster. | ||
| Even going into that binge, that's when I had the injury. | ||
| I remember trying to spar. | ||
| I was like, you know what? | ||
| I looked at my life. | ||
| I was like, dude, I've just been partying since my loss. | ||
| It was May 29th or 27th, Memorial Day weekend on a Sunday. | ||
| Ever since then, I think I probably drank almost every single fucking day. | ||
| For how many months? | ||
| All the way to July when I had the surgery. | ||
| No one really knows, man. | ||
| I was in a bad way mentally. | ||
| And to be able to pull myself back together was... | ||
| It was tough, man. | ||
| And I'm just happy I was able to do it. | ||
| But then I remember I came back. | ||
| I was like, you know what? | ||
| Let's get our shit together. | ||
| I think it was maybe Al or somebody else had a fight coming up. | ||
| And that was kind of like the catalyst for me to have the newfound motivation to get back. | ||
| And then I come back and I try to spar. | ||
| And I pop my bicep tendon because I'm just on this binging drink. | ||
| I'm just going nuts. | ||
| So your body's probably weak. | ||
| Dehydrated. | ||
| And I go in. | ||
| I throw a long check hook, which I always do. | ||
| I don't know if you've seen in the fights when I step back and I always counter with the opposite hand. | ||
| And I hit guys on that transition going backwards. | ||
| And that's all I did. | ||
| Connected. | ||
| Flush. | ||
| From there, it was another setback. | ||
| How many months did it take for that to rehab? | ||
| Three. | ||
| I didn't feel comfortable taking a fight until probably the third month. | ||
| I didn't fight for the rest of 2016, so I didn't fight again until I fought a sunset in January. | ||
| What do you do during that time when you have a giant gap like that where you're not making any money? | ||
| I went back to teaching for a little bit. | ||
| I was coaching the wrestling team. | ||
| I was coaching at the high school program at Baldwin High School doing that, and it was cool, but you're not making any real money, so to speak, because it's not like a real full-time job. | ||
| So I had to figure things out real quick, and that's what I always... | ||
| Thank myself for not being one of these guys who makes their money and just go on these spending sprees and just blow their money. | ||
| People see me traveling after every fight, which I do enjoy, but I'm smart about it. | ||
| I always try to do it on the UFC's dime. | ||
| I try to be a guest fighter for every single event. | ||
| I enjoy these things. | ||
| It's not a burden for me to go out and sign pitches, to get a free flight to go to... | ||
| Liverpool. | ||
| And just extend my trip. | ||
| Is that how it works with the UFC? They just let you do that if you want to go? | ||
| Well, you ask. | ||
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Oh, that's cool. | |
| And if they have room to pay for it. | ||
| And I went to Poland doing that. | ||
| Oh, that's badass. | ||
| Yeah, so I take advantage of these things, you know. | ||
| And how long do you go for? | ||
| It depends. | ||
| I was in London for... | ||
| Seven days, but that whole trip was two weeks. | ||
| So I started in London because I had my grandma still lives out there and some of my cousins and uncles. | ||
| So I went out there, visited them, hung out. | ||
| We got shit face. | ||
| And then we went to Liverpool, watched the fight, Wonder Boy versus Darren Till. | ||
| Crazy fight. | ||
| Crazy fight. | ||
| And then the last three days, I saw Kavanaugh. | ||
| I actually have a video on my phone. | ||
| It might not be on my phone. | ||
| It might be on my laptop. | ||
| But I have a video of him and I grappling with... | ||
| Drunk in the lobby of the hotel in Liverpool after the fight. | ||
| And I told him I was coming out to Ireland and that was my introduction to him. | ||
| And we became pretty cool ever since. | ||
| And then I went out to Ireland to go train. | ||
| Got to work with Brad Katona, James Gallagher for a little bit and get some work in and tour the island a little bit. | ||
| So that was fun. | ||
| But then I went to Poland. | ||
| So I've done a lot of these trips. | ||
| And even according to Uka Sasaki when he flew into Singapore, I extended my trip and I went to Bali right after because I have some Long Island friends and I stayed out there for a week. | ||
| That's an amazing place. | ||
| That's a place I want to go to. | ||
| What is Bali like? | ||
| Because I almost went there last summer. | ||
| We decided to go to Thailand instead. | ||
| Have you surfed before? | ||
| No. | ||
| Scared! | ||
| It's a great place for surfing. | ||
| Fuck that! | ||
| You're not scared of sharks? | ||
|
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No. | |
| No! | ||
| Did you see that shark yesterday? | ||
| No! | ||
| Don't do this to me, Jamie! | ||
| 25 to 30 feet long, 5,000 pounds. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| What? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| What are you talking about? | ||
| It's like Jaws is real. | ||
| I'll show you this. | ||
| It's like Jaws is real. | ||
| That's the biggest shark ever, right? | ||
| It's gotta be. | ||
| When did this get soft? | ||
| Someone said it to me yesterday. | ||
| I remember watching it on my phone and you just said it and it popped right in my head. | ||
| What's the biggest shark ever? | ||
| It's like the shack of human beings. | ||
| They might have been exaggerating those numbers, but that's what it says. | ||
| Here's the tweet. | ||
| What is this from? | ||
| Twitter. | ||
| Someone on Twitter. | ||
| Martha's Vineyard. | ||
| Shores does exist. | ||
| Watch how big this fucking thing is. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Here it comes. | ||
| There's the tail right here. | ||
| Martha's Vineyard. | ||
| Isn't that... | ||
| That's where it was, yeah. | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| Dude, it's so big. | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
|
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Oh my god. | |
| That is so big. | ||
| Do you not just fuck with people who get that big? | ||
| It's hard perspective-wise. | ||
| Those numbers could be slightly exaggerated. | ||
| Yeah, listen, that 25 to 30 feet, 5,000 pounds, how do you know? | ||
| Who's saying this? | ||
| Who's posting this? | ||
| What is this, Gregory Long? | ||
| What does he do? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I'll look up and see. | ||
| What do you do, Gregory? | ||
| What is his actual credentials? | ||
| He doesn't seem like to be a shark guy, but... | ||
| It says Wednesday Wisdom. | ||
| How's that wisdom? | ||
| Greg, what are you talking about? | ||
| Greg, you drunk. | ||
| He's just a guy. | ||
| I'll see if I can find out if that was real. | ||
| Greg's drunk at work. | ||
| That might have just been 15 feet. | ||
| It might be a regular grade. | ||
| Either way, it's fucking giant. | ||
| It might not have been really 25 feet. | ||
| They have that one in Hawaii that they monitor, right? | ||
| They have a chip in it. | ||
| It's called like Deep Blue or Big Blue or something like that. | ||
| Something like that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And that's the biggest one they know of, correct? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But I thought that was significantly smaller, like 20 feet. | ||
| Oh, this is... | ||
| Yeah, this is on a bunch of websites ran the story. | ||
| Twitter user Gregory Long posted a video. | ||
| But there's no perspective, though. | ||
| There's not a boat that you can look at. | ||
| We can say, oh, this is a 15-foot boat. | ||
| Look at it, it's 10 feet longer than the boat. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Come on, Greg. | ||
| Stop being drunk at work. | ||
| Either way, fuck sharks, man. | ||
| Yeah, but I think you would enjoy it. | ||
| I'm sure, I'd love it. | ||
| There's training there, too. | ||
| My guy Anthony Leone, Donnie Carlo-Klaus, and his brother Andrew Leone, they're from Long Island, but they've just been moving, hopping around to different places. | ||
| And they set up a gym in Bali? | ||
| Yeah, they started in Thailand. | ||
| I guess they had like a little fall now. | ||
| And he told me, like, they tried to, like, they threatened to kill him or, like, threatened to tell him, like, you can't leave. | ||
| Like, in a way where it was, like, threatening, like, you're not leaving this place. | ||
| But they left. | ||
| They got out of there. | ||
| And I guess in Bali, they have, like, a law where outsiders, foreigners can't buy property unless there's, like, an Indonesian... | ||
| Like leasing it to you or like joint partners or something like that. | ||
| Something interesting like that, which I thought was pretty cool because you can live in a very nice place, two bedroom, very nice place with a pool, with a garage, get a scooter for like $2,000 for the year, which is like insane. | ||
| For a year? | ||
| Yes, for a year. | ||
| I asked the guy, Donnie, how much he paid. | ||
| I don't want to misquote him, but I want to say he either paid $2,500 for the year or for two years. | ||
| Something like that. | ||
| Well, I was like, yo, bro, I could come here right now and live like a fucking king. | ||
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It's like, parents, everybody, I'll see you later. | |
| Well, I think it's really attractive, these young guys that go to Thailand and do their camps out there. | ||
| Well, not just young guys. | ||
| Isn't Valentina Shevchenko, didn't she do a lot of her training down in Thailand, too? | ||
| Tiger Muay Thai? | ||
| I think she did. | ||
| It was either that or Phuket Top Team. | ||
| I forget which one. | ||
| But I mean, a.k.a. | ||
| Mike Swick, he's got a.k.a. | ||
| Thailand now, too. | ||
| There's so many places down there where guys go and train, and you see a great result, too. | ||
| Like Khalil Roundtree, he went down there and came back a fucking assassin. | ||
| That was a fun episode you guys had when he was talking about his training. | ||
| Yeah, it was great. | ||
| All these destination gyms are popping up, but that's what they have over there in Bali. | ||
| They call it Bali MMA, but they got the food right on site, so you don't need anything. | ||
| You go there, there's the showers, there's the food shop, and it's all healthy stuff too, which is pretty sick. | ||
| What's going on, Jeremy? | ||
| People think that it most likely was a basking shark, which is an average size of 11,000 pounds. | ||
| Why do you think it's a basking shark? | ||
| Because of the size of it. | ||
| Yeah, but it didn't look... | ||
|
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I know. | |
| What do I do? | ||
| Am I a fucking shark? | ||
| I was going to argue that like I knew. | ||
|
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What? | |
| They don't know shit! | ||
| Because I want it to be a great white! | ||
| That's one of those things. | ||
| There were a lot of great white sightings in that area over that weekend, so... | ||
| So who knows? | ||
| Yeah, man. | ||
| Sharks. | ||
| Fuck sharks. | ||
| So basking sharks get that big? | ||
| They get giant. | ||
| They have that giant mouth. | ||
| But they're not dangerous. | ||
| They got a weird face. | ||
| They suck in krill and stuff like that. | ||
| Look at the inside. | ||
| Looks like all bones, no? | ||
| Yeah, it looks like a tube. | ||
| That kind of looks like the same thing. | ||
| Could be. | ||
| I don't think that other one had that wide-ass mouth. | ||
| No, it didn't. | ||
| But that might be a wide-ass mouth while it's open, right? | ||
| Maybe if the mouth is closed. | ||
| Hey, Greg, do you know what the fuck you're saying? | ||
| Let me see. | ||
| That looks different to me, man. | ||
| One more time. | ||
| The St. Gills would be unmissable. | ||
| Let's take a look. | ||
| No, that's a goddamn great white. | ||
| Yeah, man, I don't know. | ||
| Fuck all these assholes. | ||
| That's a great white. | ||
| That's fucking scary. | ||
| It might be a basking shark. | ||
| That might really be a 25-foot shark. | ||
| Dude, that looked really... | ||
| Show that again. | ||
| That was fucking gigantic. | ||
| Nah, it is. | ||
| I'm sorry for calling you drunk, Greg. | ||
| Look at that. | ||
| Whoa. | ||
| Imagine being in a kayak. | ||
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That's so big. | |
| I'm surprised those things, they don't fuck with people, man. | ||
| Like, you see a ship, you just don't just start charging into it, and like, I'm gonna fucking knock this thing over. | ||
| Get a little snack, a little snacky-poo. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I saw the episode, like the little snippet that Dana White and Matt Serra and Dean Thomas put out. | ||
| I was like, get the fuck out of here. | ||
| Did they really go into the water with sharks? | ||
| I could never. | ||
| I could go surfing, but never that. | ||
| I can't believe Dean did it. | ||
| He seems wiser. | ||
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He seems wiser than that. | |
| He's black. | ||
| We're supposed to be smarter than this, Dean. | ||
| And Sarah jumped in there, too. | ||
| Everybody jumped in there. | ||
| Did you talk to Matt about it? | ||
| No, I just saw the snippets. | ||
| I've been out here. | ||
| And it looks like there was blood in the water, too. | ||
| Like they threw pieces of meat in the water. | ||
| That's Matt jumping in. | ||
| Oh, Jesus Christ. | ||
| They're like feeding her. | ||
| That might be Dana. | ||
| Look at these fucking... | ||
| Yeah, see, there's pieces of meat in the water. | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| They were counting like one, two, three. | ||
| Fuck everything about that. | ||
| Fuck everything about that. | ||
| I could never. | ||
| I could never do that shit. | ||
| This is a dumb way to die, man. | ||
| Dana White's looking for a fight. | ||
| How did Matt Sarah die? | ||
| Oh, this fucking YouTube show. | ||
| Yeah, nah. | ||
| Dana White's looking for a fight. | ||
| Yeah, why would they do that? | ||
| Look at that. | ||
| They're yelling, screaming. | ||
| Dana's laughing. | ||
| Isn't it funny? | ||
| Dana White's worth like a half a billion dollars and he still gets his kicks doing silly shit like this. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, that show's a fun show because Dana's not doing that for money. | ||
| Not by any stretch of the imagination. | ||
| He's doing that to have a good time. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, I love that. | ||
| I love that aspect of what he does. | ||
| Dana's a fucking legitimate wild man. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| Yeah, I never got the chance to hang out with him. | ||
| I love him. | ||
| Maybe if I win the bill, I get hangout privileges or something. | ||
| Listen, man, next time I'm hanging out with him, I'll invite you. | ||
| I love Dana. | ||
| He's crazy. | ||
| I mean, he's the perfect dude. | ||
| I always say this when I do the announcing at the weigh-ins. | ||
| When Dana comes on stage, I always say, without him, none of this would be possible. | ||
| Because it wouldn't. | ||
| Yeah, for sure. | ||
| You needed a wild man to take control of this fucking crazy sport. | ||
| Because most people would want to tone it down or change things about it. | ||
| And the only reason why I did commentary ever is because he asked me to do it. | ||
| I never wanted to do commentary. | ||
| That wasn't my idea. | ||
| That's Dana White's idea. | ||
| I'll tell you fucking what. | ||
| You fucking killed it, though. | ||
| Well, I got lucky that I got a chance in the early days when no one was watching to learn. | ||
| How to do it and get better at it. | ||
| Because I wasn't that good in the beginning. | ||
| It takes a while to figure out how to do it. | ||
| But you were doing Fear Factor before that. | ||
| I was doing Fear Factor, and when I was doing Fear Factor, that's when Zufa had just purchased the UFC. So I came to watch when Tito Ortiz fought Vladimir Mayushenko and I went to some of the earlier fights like when Matt Hughes fought Sakurai. | ||
| I was in the audience and everything like that. | ||
| And Dana and I used to have conversations about fights. | ||
| And I would say, hey, you should check out this guy in Japan. | ||
| You should check out this Russian dude. | ||
| And we were just talking about fights. | ||
| And I would always be asking him questions. | ||
| And what do you guys got coming up next? | ||
| And I thought it was exciting because the sport was trying to take off. | ||
| And they were risking all this money. | ||
| I was there hanging out with them as a friend when the pay-per-view cut short. | ||
| Because they had a window of time for pay-per-view when Tito Ortiz fought Vladimir Matyushenko right after September 11th. | ||
| So it was this big patriotic thing and everybody felt terrible. | ||
| This is right after 9-11 and Tito comes out with the American flag and it was this big deal. | ||
| And then the pay-per-view, the time stopped in the middle of the fight. | ||
| And the screen went black and everybody wanted their money back. | ||
| So they lost a shit ton of money. | ||
| And I was hanging out with them as just a friend when all this was happening. | ||
| And then somewhere around, I think it was UFC 37 and a half, Dana talked me into doing commentary because they were doing, it was in promotion with Fox Sports and the Best Damn Sports Show. | ||
| Remember that show, Best Damn Sports Show period? | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| They were helping promote it. | ||
| And so all that stuff happened together and then they talked me into, Dana talked me into doing commentary. | ||
| And I did it ever since. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So when did you actually meet him? | ||
| Met him in like 2008. Right when they bought it, like 2001, what happened was they bought the UFC and then they started putting on these events in Vegas and, you know, Eddie Bravo and I, we had always said, what this sport needs is some crazy billionaire who loves the sport, who just dumps a bunch of money in it to make it big. | ||
| Because when I first started doing commentary, it was in 97. It was when, it was pre-Zufa. | ||
| It was the old days when Bob Meyerowitz owned it and Bob hired me and Campbell McLaren. | ||
| And I was just doing the post-fight interviews. | ||
| I'd interview guys after the fight was over. | ||
| And then I quit. | ||
| I did it for maybe two years. | ||
| But it was just too much work. | ||
| It was actually costing me money. | ||
| There's not a lot of money in interviewing fighters. | ||
| And there wasn't money in the sport back then. | ||
| And I just did it because I loved it. | ||
| But it got to a point where if I took a weekend off to do that versus do comedy, it would cost me a few thousand dollars. | ||
| And I was like, I can't do this anymore. | ||
| And so I quit. | ||
| And then when I got Fear Factor, I wound up going to one of their Vegas events because the UFC just bought this and they were giving out free tickets to celebrities. | ||
| And so that's how Dana and I met. | ||
| And then we just started talking about fights and he talked me into doing it. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| I never in my wildest dreams thought I would ever be a sports commentator. | ||
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Yeah, yeah. | |
| No desire to do it whatsoever. | ||
| And I remember early on, someone, I don't remember who it was, was telling Dana, like, hey, he's got to stop talking about weed. | ||
| And Dana's exact words were, I don't give a fuck what he talks about as long as he talks about the fights. | ||
| I mean, no one else would say that. | ||
| Like as a CEO or a president of a giant billion dollar organization, no one would say that. | ||
| No one would say that. | ||
| It takes a while, man. | ||
| He's different, man. | ||
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You giving up on the TV? I have it on my computer. | |
| It's about to start here. | ||
| Hey, we got it on here. | ||
| What's happening? | ||
| Oh, Ray Cooper. | ||
| There we go. | ||
| He beat up his cousin. | ||
| Oh, Ray Cooper's about to fight John Howard. | ||
| He beat his cousin up. | ||
| He beat whose cousin up? | ||
| He fought his cousin his last fight. | ||
| Ray Cooper did? | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| Oh my god. | ||
| He fought Jake Shields. | ||
| He fucked up Jake Shields twice in a row. | ||
| That's one of the weird things about that organization. | ||
| Are you doing this through your computer? | ||
| Is that how you're doing it? | ||
|
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Oh. | |
| Clever boy. | ||
| He fought his cousin. | ||
| Call those dudes. | ||
| Oh, there it goes. | ||
| Oh, there it goes. | ||
| Bam. | ||
| Oh, no, it's because it's still going through my computer. | ||
| Uh-huh. | ||
| I'm surprised no one really talked about that. | ||
| Why is that thing in the middle of it, Jamie? | ||
| Because I'm trying to switch the inputs to get that box on. | ||
| You know, their thing is weird. | ||
| The way they do it is weird. | ||
| The way the PFL does it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, you have to fight the same guy again. | ||
| To get into the playoffs. | ||
| This should be wild as fuck. | ||
| Because John Howard can crack. | ||
| He hits like a fucking... | ||
| He cracks. | ||
| They both crack. | ||
| And John has fought a lot of high-level dudes. | ||
| The thing on the bottom line, that guy, he got his arm ripped off in a crash over the weekend. | ||
|
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What? | |
| And if I heard about that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| What happened? | ||
| That's fucked up. | ||
| He just got cited in the crash, it said. | ||
| There goes his contract, right? | ||
| What the fuck? | ||
| Yeah, unless they can rebuild him like Steve Austin. | ||
| Well, he has a defensive tackle. | ||
| Offensive guys, no. | ||
| You can't have one arm. | ||
| Well, the one guy who's playing with, like, two fingers, he blew him off in a fireworks accident a couple years ago. | ||
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What? | |
| You didn't hear about that? | ||
| He was a gigantic contract. | ||
| He's still playing? | ||
| I think he's done now. | ||
| He's done now? | ||
| He might be done now. | ||
| As of this season, I think. | ||
| My boxing coach... | ||
| And Boston had his finger bitten off in a street fight. | ||
| And he replaced it with his second toe. | ||
| Not the big toe, but the second one. | ||
| And they had it curled permanently so he could always throw right hooks. | ||
| Look at that ref cam. | ||
| Look at that ref cam. | ||
| I was like, what the fuck is these bifocals on his face right now? | ||
| They got a lot of stats that are going to show up on the screen too. | ||
| Like striking speed and how much they move around the ring. | ||
| Ray Cooper moving in quick. | ||
| Boom! | ||
| Big kick. | ||
| Taken down. | ||
| Ray Cooper is also a state champion wrestler from Hawaii. | ||
| Yeah, I heard that. | ||
| He wrestled his ass off. | ||
| I just found it weird that he fought his cousin. | ||
| He was mad that his cousin accepted to be in the tournament knowing that he was in the tournament first. | ||
| Well, probably not the best idea. | ||
| That dude hits so goddamn hard. | ||
| He hits hard. | ||
| Would you fight your cousin? | ||
| No. | ||
| Well, I fought my cousin when I was seven. | ||
| We got in a fight with King Kong vs. | ||
| Godzilla. | ||
| I was a King Kong man. | ||
| My brothers used to beat my fucking ass. | ||
| We used to beat each other's asses though. | ||
| They would jump me. | ||
| They would jump me. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah, we'd jump each other though. | ||
| How many tough guys came from a family where their brothers beat their ass? | ||
| Probably a lot. | ||
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A lot! | |
| A lot. | ||
| The number's got to be through the roof. | ||
| Think about it, right? | ||
| Tough guys with brothers. | ||
| First of all, Matt Hughes and his brother Mark. | ||
| Whoa, beautiful takedown. | ||
| Oh, he hit him with a nice left hook there. | ||
| That was a clean left hook in the transition. | ||
| The Millers, Dan Miller and Jim Miller. | ||
| The other Millers, Cole Miller and Micah Miller. | ||
| How many fucking animals have brothers and they fight with their brother? | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| It's like a lot. | ||
| Oh, shit. | ||
| Ray Cooper landed a big shot. | ||
|
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Oh! | |
| Wow! | ||
| John Howard with a big left hook! | ||
| Oh my goodness! | ||
| Yo, that was... | ||
| Oh! | ||
|
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He's out! | |
| He's out! | ||
| Oh, he's out! | ||
|
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Fuck! | |
| Oh, John Howard! | ||
|
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Fuck! | |
| Whoa! | ||
| Fuck! | ||
| John Howard! | ||
| Holy shit! | ||
| Holy shit! | ||
| We were just saying that, man. | ||
| John Howard can fucking crack! | ||
| Damn! | ||
| Jesus! | ||
|
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Damn! | |
| Holy shit. | ||
| And he's got a huge... | ||
| That's a nice knot. | ||
| Let's end this podcast on a positive note. | ||
| Shout out to John Howard. | ||
| Congratulations. | ||
| Shout out to Bostonian. | ||
| And shout out to Funkmaster. | ||
| Tell people how they can get you on Instagram and Twitter and all that jazz. | ||
| They can find me on Instagram, Funkmaster underscore UFC. And on the Twitter, the tweet, the tweet. | ||
| Funkmaster underscore UFC. And... | ||
| Oh yeah, you could go to my website, aljaminestern.com. | ||
| That's where I got my podcast or iTunes. | ||
| And your podcast is on iTunes. | ||
| And what's it called again? | ||
| The Weekly Scratch. | ||
| Because there's fights every weekend. | ||
| There is pretty much now. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, for sure. | ||
| Well, thank you, brother. | ||
| I appreciate you, man. | ||
| Thank you, man. | ||
| Thanks for coming in. | ||
| It was a lot of fun. | ||
| I really enjoyed it. | ||
| Yeah, we're going to watch the fights now. | ||
|
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Bye, everybody. | |
| See ya. |
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