Oct. 28, 2010 - The Joe Rogan Experience
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| Five, four, three, two, one. | ||
| Boom. | ||
| And we're live. | ||
| Mr. Bisping. | ||
| How are you, sir? | ||
| What's up, Joe? | ||
| I'm good. | ||
| We finally did this, man. | ||
| I know. | ||
| We've been talking about it for... | ||
| Years. | ||
| Feels like a lifetime. | ||
| It's been quite a while, man. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| But yeah, happy to be here. | ||
| Quite the setup you have. | ||
| As an Englishman, please explain to me the Hawaiian flag. | ||
| What the fuck is the Hawaiian flag? | ||
| Straight off the bat, I'm like... | ||
| I was confused. | ||
| I was looking at it the other day when Max Holloway won. | ||
| I was like, if you didn't know any better, and you looked at that, you're like, this is some strange British flag. | ||
| Right off the bat, I'm like, Joe's a smart guy. | ||
| I've seen the podcast. | ||
| He goes deep on things. | ||
| I'm like, do I need to read some encyclopedias before I come on here? | ||
| And the first thing you say is, explain the British flag. | ||
| Sorry, the Hawaiian flag. | ||
| What is that? | ||
| Well... | ||
| I can't claim to be an expert on the history of Hawaii. | ||
| I failed that class, funnily enough. | ||
| But I would say that we colonized it at one point. | ||
| Much like America. | ||
| I don't know if you know this. | ||
| Much like Australia, India. | ||
| Yeah, Australia's got a funky flag too, right? | ||
| We like to insert the Union Jack in lots of things. | ||
| When you think about the size of England, how much of the world you guys kicked ass on, it's pretty goddamn impressive. | ||
| It really is, but again, I'm no historian. | ||
| No. | ||
| But no, it is. | ||
| I'm a proud Englishman. | ||
| I guess our ancestors... | ||
| Well, not my ancestors. | ||
| My ancestors are Polish and Irish. | ||
| But yeah, the British, they did okay. | ||
| Did a lot of shit. | ||
| Got a lot done. | ||
| They did, they did. | ||
| You know, I was at a... | ||
| They did a lot of terrible things, I'm sure, over the years. | ||
| A little bit. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I remember once I was in Canada at a party, of all things, about three o'clock in the morning, as one does. | ||
| And I walk in and some guy starts going crazy at me. | ||
| The things that the British have done over the years, you should be ashamed of yourself. | ||
| And he was causing a huge scene, really screaming at me, right? | ||
| And I mean, going crazy. | ||
| And I'm like, dude, what the fuck? | ||
| Nothing to do with me. | ||
| He's like, you should be ashamed. | ||
| So in the end, I said, well, where's your family from? | ||
| And you're not going to believe this, he said. | ||
| Mongolian. | ||
| Germany. | ||
| I'm like, fuck it, you're a German! | ||
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You're a German and you're giving me shit about my heritage. | |
| Okay, buddy, I suggest you shut the fuck up. | ||
| That's pretty hilarious because when you think about the history, the Germans way more recent. | ||
| Oh yeah, just a little bit, just a little bit. | ||
| The English stuff is in the past. | ||
| It's nothing, come on. | ||
| That's like with swords and arrows and shit. | ||
| Yeah, Robin Hood times. | ||
| Come on, come on. | ||
| Do you like living over here? | ||
| Yeah, very much so. | ||
| Of course, you miss home, you miss friends and family. | ||
| Certainly, as you get older and your parents get older, you do think about those things. | ||
| But yeah, it's great. | ||
| It's a great place to live. | ||
| Your accent has tamed itself a bit. | ||
| When you go back home, do they give you shit about it? | ||
| I get shit all the time, yeah. | ||
| All the time. | ||
| They're like, what's this weird accent, Mike? | ||
| And it's like this. | ||
| I'm intelligent enough to adapt to the surroundings that I'm in. | ||
| I'll now say... | ||
| Tomatoes instead of tomatoes. | ||
| Because I don't want a cute little back and forth for five minutes with the fucking waitress. | ||
| Do you know what I mean? | ||
| I just want to order my breakfast and go about my day. | ||
| Oh my God, you're English? | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| So I'll say tomato, I'll say coffee. | ||
| But when I go back home, it kind of... | ||
| You know, and then working on Fox, they worked on me for a while. | ||
| They're like, Mike, we like... | ||
| Well, we think we like what you're saying. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| The problem is we can't understand what you're saying. | ||
| It seems like it's good stuff. | ||
| There's lots of energy there, but you've got to slow down, overpronounce your words. | ||
| So yeah, it is a little bastardized. | ||
| Have you thought about doing commentary on UFC cards? | ||
| Have you done any of those yet? | ||
| I've just done the, what is it, the content of the series. | ||
| That's it? | ||
| Yeah, that's it. | ||
| But I think it's, well, I know, it should be coming up. | ||
| Just negotiated a deal for it. | ||
| Oh, okay, great. | ||
| With Zach, so. | ||
| Well, that's good to hear. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, you know. | ||
| Because you're really excellent as an analyst. | ||
| Well, thank you very much. | ||
| I appreciate that. | ||
| I really enjoy your insight when you're on the panel. | ||
| That panel's great. | ||
| That is one of the best things UFC's done, is do that post-fight show, because when the fights are over, you're sitting around going, fuck! | ||
| Holy shit! | ||
| And then to have you guys break it down, and then break it down beforehand as well, but break it down afterwards. | ||
| I really do enjoy that. | ||
| Oh, thank you very much. | ||
| Yeah, the guys do a good job. | ||
| Yeah, it's fun. | ||
| You know, I mean, it's nice to be involved with the sport, obviously, as a martial artist, as a fighter, and then now retired to still, you know, still have a little hand in there. | ||
| It's nice, yeah. | ||
| But you've made a smooth transition from being a fighter to retired. | ||
| It seems, at least from the outside looking in, that it seems fairly smooth. | ||
| It's like some guys have a rocky road. | ||
| It's hard for them. | ||
| Well, it's because, you know, I mean... | ||
| I want to tell the truth while I'm on here, so I will tell the truth, but I had eye injuries. | ||
| From when the eye injuries happened in 2013, I always felt like I was on borrowed time. | ||
| So I was conscious of trying to set myself up outside of the octagon, where a lot of fighters don't have that luxury. | ||
| I'm thinking it could end at any moment, so I was actively pursuing a life outside the octagon, a career outside the octagon. | ||
| So then when that day came, I was good. | ||
| Some carbonated energy drink that shall remain nameless. | ||
| But yeah, so yeah, I was working on that for a while. | ||
| And yeah, things are going well. | ||
| There's quite a lot of things going on. | ||
| Yeah, you do that podcast with Luis Gomez. | ||
| Got the podcast, believe you me. | ||
| I've got a company called Play Lime. | ||
| What is that? | ||
| It's a gambling... | ||
| It's fancy sports, but it's fancy sports simplified. | ||
| Basically, it's kind of like a sports lottery. | ||
| So if we were focusing on the UFC, who's going to win? | ||
| What round? | ||
| How many takedowns? | ||
| We do five stats. | ||
| You hit them bang on, you get a billion dollars. | ||
| We had the analytics groups at Harvard and Yale come up with a league. | ||
| So the top 50 people split a rake. | ||
| If you hit everything, you get a billion? | ||
| You get a billion dollars. | ||
| A one, a B? Boom! | ||
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Boom! | |
| Billion dollars, baby. | ||
| And we give away a million dollars every single day. | ||
| Playline.com. | ||
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Boom. | |
| There it is. | ||
| One billion dollars in prizes available in our first year. | ||
| And it's blowing up. | ||
| It's blowing up big time. | ||
| We're just about to sign a deal with a couple of major sports franchises to be their official game. | ||
| So that's going really well. | ||
| So it's essentially like a fantasy martial arts thing. | ||
| Like you just pick... | ||
| No, it's... | ||
| NASCAR, football, MMA. The beauty of playline is you can set a playline to anything. | ||
| We can set a playline. | ||
| How many times is Bisping going to burp? | ||
| How many times is he going to get up and have a piss? | ||
| How many times is Rogan going to roll his eyes at Mike? | ||
| Do you know what I mean? | ||
| You can set it for anything, so it's very applicable. | ||
| How many likes is Kim Kardashian going to get in her next post? | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| We're getting a lot of traction. | ||
| It's doing really, really well. | ||
| Very proud of it. | ||
| I would think if it's a billion dollars, I would think it'd be like some Guy Ritchie movie where some mobsters would get together with some fighters and say, this is how we're going to do it, see? | ||
| Try and fix it. | ||
| You're going down three times. | ||
| Okay, I've never heard an English gangster sound like they're from 1920s Chicago, see? | ||
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See? | |
| This is what we're going to do, see? | ||
| This is what we're going to do, see? | ||
| But yeah, I guess... | ||
| No. | ||
| Nobody's cheated yet. | ||
| Thanks for totally undermining the system, Joe. | ||
| Really appreciate it. | ||
| The reason why I say this is because this is what happened with Professional Pool. | ||
| Professional Pool had a line at one point in time in Vegas casinos, and the pool players all got together and said, Let's fucking put all our money on this guy who's a 10-1 favorite to win it, or 10-1 underdog to win it, and we'll all make money. | ||
| And so they all dumped, and this one guy, I think his name is Mike LeBron, he won the whole thing. | ||
| The only way he could do that is if there was no stats. | ||
| No stats. | ||
| So if it was a game of basketball, everyone would just have to stand there and do nothing. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Which I would assume, I mean, I don't know too much about basketball, but I would assume athletic commissions, referees. | ||
| People would get involved. | ||
| Somebody would say something if everyone was just standing there doing nothing. | ||
| Well, they did with pool. | ||
| You can't gamble on pool anymore. | ||
| Oh, really? | ||
| Pool players are too shady. | ||
| Well, they are. | ||
| They're shady. | ||
| They're shady guys. | ||
| Yeah, they are. | ||
| Anyone that plays pool in England, it's because they spend so much time in pubs. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| They spend so much time in pubs. | ||
| You're hanging out with some interesting characters. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Unsavory characters. | ||
| Dude, you started at UFC Ultimate Fighter Season 2. How crazy is that? | ||
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Three. | |
| Were you Season 3? | ||
| Three. | ||
| What season are they on now? | ||
| Like, 90 or some shit? | ||
| Like, what are they on? | ||
| I think they just did 28. 28, but that's... | ||
| That's fucking crazy. | ||
| But that's only US. They have the Brazilian one. | ||
| They have the Australian. | ||
| Diego Sanchez is still fucking going on it. | ||
| That's what's insane. | ||
| That's impressive. | ||
| Season one. | ||
| He's a maniac. | ||
| God bless him. | ||
| Good for him. | ||
| Good for him. | ||
| And he fucking won recently, which is even more impressive. | ||
| No, I know. | ||
| And he fights in a way that isn't conducive to a long career. | ||
| No. | ||
| But he's had one. | ||
| My word. | ||
| It's incredible. | ||
| It really is. | ||
| He really is. | ||
| He's a warrior. | ||
| He's such a fucking character, too. | ||
| Oh, dude. | ||
| He's out of his mind. | ||
| In a good way, I mean. | ||
| In a great way. | ||
| I mean that as a compliment. | ||
| I do as well. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| No, he's a maniac. | ||
| But, I mean, that guy... | ||
| Season one, and still going strong. | ||
| No, I know, I know. | ||
| Crazy, crazy. | ||
| It's been a long ride for myself as well, but enjoyed it. | ||
| Enjoyed every minute of it. | ||
| It was great. | ||
| Nice to leave having won the title, though, right? | ||
| Oh, 100%. | ||
| How nice is that, to cap it off? | ||
| Because you had such a long career, man. | ||
| I mean, you fought the best of the best, and for you to cap it off, knocking out Luke Rockhold, and then having that... | ||
| No one can take that away from you forever. | ||
| No, for sure. | ||
| You know, I mean, I was talking about this recently. | ||
| I'm filming a documentary called Built for This, and it's about my career. | ||
| And they were asking about that. | ||
| You know, how would you feel? | ||
| Excuse me. | ||
| This carbonating energy drink that shall remain nameless. | ||
| Energy drink. | ||
| Is it called creature or something like that? | ||
| Creature or demon. | ||
| Something like that. | ||
| Mythological. | ||
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Scary. | |
| Where was it? | ||
| Yeah, scary. | ||
| Scary monster. | ||
| There you go. | ||
| No, no. | ||
| They were asking about my fight career. | ||
| How would I have felt had I not won the belt? | ||
| And, you know, I mean... | ||
| It would have felt like it was unfinished business. | ||
| I wouldn't have been quite as content as walking away when I did, had I not won the belt. | ||
| Other than winning the belt, and winning the Ultimate Fighter I'm sure, but what was your most satisfying victory? | ||
| Was it Kung Lee? | ||
| No, no, I don't know. | ||
| My most satisfying victory, my word. | ||
| Oh, Anderson Silva. | ||
| Anderson Silva. | ||
| Yeah, that was a big one for me. | ||
| That was a big one too because of the cheap knee. | ||
| It was cheap. | ||
| It was cheap. | ||
| I'm glad you said that. | ||
| It was cheap. | ||
| I mean, I'm a giant Anderson Silva fan. | ||
| Yeah, everybody is. | ||
| You don't get any bigger Anderson Silva fan than me, but you didn't have your mouthpiece. | ||
| You were pointing to the mouthpiece. | ||
| You were separated and you took a pause and you thought the referee was going to separate you and give you back your mouthpiece and Anderson comes in with the knee. | ||
| Well, I know the rules. | ||
| There has to be a lull in the action for the referee to step in. | ||
| And I'm backing up, and we're not engaging in blows. | ||
| To me, that's a lull in the action. | ||
| So I take that moment to point down over here and say, my mouthpiece, and as I'm down there, boom, he throws a beautiful knee. | ||
| It was beautiful, it really was. | ||
| Perfectly timed. | ||
| Yeah, and good for him. | ||
| I don't hold it against the guy. | ||
| But you fucking came back. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It wasn't easy. | ||
| It wasn't fucking easy, I'll tell you that. | ||
| That took every part of my will to continue, but yeah. | ||
| But you came back and won the next round. | ||
| Mm-hmm. | ||
| That was what was spectacularly impressive. | ||
| But that's what you said, what is the most satisfying win. | ||
| And I said that was one of them, of course. | ||
| You know, beating Rockhold and winning the belt, nothing tops that. | ||
| That would be the big one too because you came in on short notice as well. | ||
| Sure, sure. | ||
| But the Anderson one, because of that, it just made the storyline so much better to fight through that adversity, to have to dig deep. | ||
| After winning it, I won the first, dropped him, dropped him in the second round, third round, I was winning, then that happened. | ||
| So yeah, no, it felt good. | ||
| It felt good. | ||
| Yeah, that was, I mean, that also, like, just to get a victory over that guy, when it all's said and done, there's some... | ||
| Yeah, listen, I'm aware that people would say, oh, but you didn't get Anderson in his prime. | ||
| Well, maybe it wasn't his prime, but with the amount of shit that I talked, I certainly see a difference in the way he fought me to the way he's fought recently, you know? | ||
| and yeah it's funny because people always say you're not worried that when you talk shit going into a fight that you're gonna motivate your opponent even more and i always used to say ah no don't be stupid listen they're gonna try and hit you as hard as they can but i don't know in that one i think it did motivate anderson because he was certainly not fucking about in that one that's for sure no you it wasn't it wasn't like the anderson in the derrick brunson fight that's for sure yeah that was a different fight right derrick brunson and him almost like like they made an agreement. | ||
| They... | ||
| They didn't fight. | ||
| Yeah, it was a weird fight. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's like Derrick Brunson didn't want to risk anything, didn't want to engage with him too quickly or go too hard. | ||
| But then you see some of his fights, he comes at you like a fucking marauder. | ||
| Who? | ||
| Derrick Brunson. | ||
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Oh, yeah. | |
| No, absolutely. | ||
| I was talking about this recently with the Israel Adesanya fight. | ||
| And I think I kind of pissed Israel off with a couple of my comments. | ||
| And that wasn't my intention. | ||
| I said... | ||
| Excuse me. | ||
| I said, I don't know if I'm completely sold on Israel yet. | ||
| And what I meant by that, I didn't mean sold on him being a great fighter because he's clearly a great fighter. | ||
| He's clearly world class. | ||
| What I meant was sold on him being the future of the division and being the champion. | ||
| That's what I meant because Brunson never showed up in that fight. | ||
| And I mean that with the grace of respect. | ||
| He was like... | ||
| A deer in the headlights, you know, he was intimidated. | ||
| He'd just been knocked out of Jacare. | ||
| You know, I was a little gun shy, you know, and it was a great performance. | ||
| Israel did what he needed to do. | ||
| But as I say, you know, it takes two to tango and there was only Israel really fighting in that fight. | ||
| So when I said those comments, I said, I'm not entirely sold on that fight. | ||
| That's what I meant. | ||
| I didn't mean because I don't think he's world class or an excellent fighter because he clearly is. | ||
| I just meant not sold on that fight, whether or not he's the future of the division. | ||
| Well, it's a stacked fucking division. | ||
| I mean, look, I mean, you still have Yoel Romero at the top of the heap. | ||
| I don't know what they're doing with him. | ||
| I mean, he was supposed to be fighting Boachina. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Paolo Costa. | ||
| Paolo Costa. | ||
| Boachina. | ||
| Yeah, who's a fucking monster. | ||
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Yeah, he is. | |
| If anybody who's not on steroids, who looks like they're on steroids, it's him and Yoel Romero. | ||
| They're all on fucking steroids. | ||
| Is he so? | ||
| Well... | ||
| It's not that easy these days with you. | ||
| It's hard. | ||
| But come on. | ||
| Some of them are on steroids. | ||
| Some of them probably are. | ||
| Joe. | ||
| But who's on? | ||
| You're telling me that you don't believe that Joe Romero ever took a steroid in his life? | ||
| I didn't say that. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| I definitely didn't say that. | ||
| I think it's possible. | ||
| It's totally possible. | ||
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Oh, it's possible. | |
| How's that fence you're sitting on? | ||
| I get it. | ||
| I get it. | ||
| It's a tough scenario for you to be in. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| UFC commentator. | ||
| I'm fucking honest, bro. | ||
| If I believe it, I'll say it. | ||
| And let's not forget he tested positive. | ||
| There was that whole... | ||
| Yes, yes. | ||
| Anytime somebody says it was a tainted supplement, it's bullshit. | ||
| You never tested positive for anything. | ||
| Never tested positive in my life. | ||
| Let me tell you something. | ||
| I'm not a guy... | ||
| That scours the back of everything I read. | ||
| I'm a careless motherfucker. | ||
| I really am. | ||
| I wish I wasn't, but I am. | ||
| I'll just go through my life doing what I do. | ||
| I've been tested a million times, never come close, okay? | ||
| Some of the guys, they blow up the lab, you know? | ||
| There's no smoke without fire, you know what I'm saying? | ||
| I agree with you. | ||
| I agree with you. | ||
| I remember there was talk years back, before USADA, there was talk of certain camps that would hire guys who knew testing. | ||
| And these guys would orchestrate a program for these fighters to make sure that they didn't get caught. | ||
| Right. | ||
| They would figure out ways to, you know, to taper off, but still keep your gains and make sure that you didn't test positive at all. | ||
| And this was done under the assumption that everyone else was cheating as well. | ||
| And this was for a long time. | ||
| That was how a lot of people viewed the sport. | ||
| There was guys like you, BJ Penn. | ||
| There was a few guys that you just knew weren't going to do anything. | ||
| It was their word. | ||
| They said they were never going to do anything. | ||
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Sure. | |
| And they never looked like they did anything. | ||
| You always maintain the exact same physique throughout your entire career. | ||
| Well, the thing is, I think, where it started getting a little weird. | ||
| And I don't want to bang on about stories too much because that's been a narrative that I've... | ||
| I've said my piece about that. | ||
| I don't want to bang on about it too much, but I think where the waters really got murky is when TRT came in. | ||
| When testosterone replacement therapy became a thing, and all you had to do was go to your doctor and say, You know, I can't get a hard-on or whatever, and all of a sudden, they sign you off and you're on TRT. No, I know. | ||
| Even worse, you could take steroids first and then come off of it so your testosterone was low. | ||
| Oh, really? | ||
| And you'd go to a doctor and say, I have low testosterone. | ||
| Oh, of course, yeah, because it messes up your natural production of it. | ||
| This is what guys did. | ||
| Guys took steroids and then went in afterwards and said they have low testosterone because they were on steroids. | ||
| Sure, no, exactly. | ||
| So then it became legal. | ||
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Yes. | |
| And then you had all these guys coming out there saying, you know... | ||
| If I'm not on TRT, I'll die. | ||
| I'll die. | ||
| And then they outlawed it, and then 10 years later, some of them are still fighting to this day. | ||
| So without naming names, you know who you are. | ||
| Shame on you. | ||
| Well, we've talked about TRT Vitor Belfort forever. | ||
| When he was on TRT, he was a different kind of human being. | ||
| He was just completely different than he is in any other circumstance. | ||
| Oh yeah, looking back, you can see that. | ||
| I mean, because when I fought him, I fought him on TRT. You fought him when he was at the Super Vitor level. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| He looked like fucking The Incredible Hulk. | ||
| He had muscles on his fucking eyebrows. | ||
| Yeah, looking back, you can see that. | ||
| But at the time, as a fighter, you can't think like that. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| What are we looking at? | ||
| That doesn't even do it justice. | ||
| No, that doesn't do it justice. | ||
| That's supposed to be before and after? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't buy it. | ||
| I'm just recovering from a cold at the weekend. | ||
| I'm a little congested, so I keep coughing. | ||
| The real key is... | ||
| That's a better one. | ||
| That's better. | ||
| That's way better. | ||
| That's much more accurate. | ||
| And he's a guy who was known to take things. | ||
| I mean, he took things early in his career. | ||
| Remember when he fought Randy when he was 19? | ||
| He was 240 pounds. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| His neck started at the top of his head. | ||
| Yeah, I remember there was a picture of us both on the scale in Brazil. | ||
| And... | ||
| You know, looking back now, you go, holy shit. | ||
| You know, anyone else would think, oh, have you seen this guy? | ||
| He's kind of big. | ||
| Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. | ||
| But you don't think like that at the time. | ||
| You can't as a fighter. | ||
| If you start having those thoughts, those doubts, start looking at a fighter's physique and thinking, oh, he looks good. | ||
| You've already lost, you know, but in hindsight, you can look back and say, holy fuck, what was I thinking? | ||
| You know, this guy's fucking roided out of his mind. | ||
| I remember on there, I was trying to get a rise out of him, and he kept putting his hand in my face. | ||
| I'm not a religious guy, and, you know, God bless anyone that is, you know, I mean that, I respect everyone's opinions, but I'm not, and as we know, Vitor is heavily religious, and he kept sticking his thing in my face, he was pissing me off, so I said, Vitor, come here, come here, and he leans in, I said, there is no Jesus. | ||
| Maybe there is. | ||
| Maybe there is. | ||
| Me getting dropped with a head kick in the second round. | ||
| Maybe that was God thwarting me. | ||
| Who knows? | ||
| What did he say? | ||
| Some fucking Portuguese bullshit. | ||
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I don't know. | |
| There is the fine line, right, between talking shit and backing it up. | ||
| But, you know, you did a great job of pissing people off in your career, and that plays a factor. | ||
| Whatever you can do to get just them a little bit out of their comfort zone, a little bit out of their composure, and you were really good at that. | ||
| Yeah, you know, I mean, I hate that to be, you know, the first thing people say about me, but, you know, It was one element. | ||
| It was a thing. | ||
| It was what I did. | ||
| And in my mind, where I come from, my background, if we're going to fight, then we're going to fight. | ||
| And then it's all out war until it's all said and done. | ||
| And if I can make you doubt yourself, if I can... | ||
| You know, it's like at the weigh-ins. | ||
| At the weigh-ins, that's the last time you're going to get a chance to stand in front of your opponent and send a message to him. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| And if you get in his face and you can just instill a little fear, puff your chest. | ||
| That's why animals do it in the wild. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Puff your chest out, look intimidating, look as angry as you can. | ||
| And some fighters might just look at that and laugh and say, this ain't going to work on me. | ||
| but some it does and then they don't fight to the best of their ability because they're slightly doubting themselves and they're not fully committing to the punch or the kick and if they're not fully committing they're not 100% they're not fighting as well as they can be and I'm winning that battle you know so yeah you look like kind of a thug standing up there and pointing your finger and talking shit but it's for a reason you know it works Yeah, he does. | ||
| What, McGregor? | ||
| McGregor's the best at it. | ||
| He gets people to fold. | ||
| Look at Dustin Poirier. | ||
| He didn't even show up in that first fight. | ||
| It's true. | ||
| I mean, don't get me wrong, he was great as well. | ||
| It wasn't just the trash talk. | ||
| No, he's great as well. | ||
| I think the Nate Diaz fight, it didn't work in that fight. | ||
| Because Nate doesn't give a fuck. | ||
| Doesn't give a fuck, there you go. | ||
| It doesn't work. | ||
| Exactly, it doesn't work. | ||
| You talk shit at him, he's like, fuck you. | ||
| It doesn't make him feel bad at all. | ||
| He enjoys it. | ||
| I think it makes him feel comforting. | ||
| Yeah, well, you know, it's just another day at the office, you know. | ||
| It's a thing, like, a lot of people would wish that fighters were respectful and just, you know, treated it the martial arts way and bow to each other. | ||
| And that's great. | ||
| It is. | ||
| You know, it's funny. | ||
| I was working out this morning and the gym manager... | ||
| He said, he said, you know, I feel like that side of things kind of, you know, it's killing the UFC. And I said, shut the fuck up. | ||
| I'm like, you know, I nodded away and like, you know, respectful to the guy. | ||
| But... | ||
| I see his point. | ||
| I understand what he's saying, but it's entertainment and it gets people... | ||
| That's another reason why I used to do it. | ||
| You're trying to sell the fight. | ||
| You want every product you're involved with to be as popular as possible, whether it's a podcast, whether it's fighting, whatever it is. | ||
| if no one's watching no one gives a fuck then you're not going to make much money you're not going to get booked again you're not going to be on the big cards you talk a little I know from a consumer standpoint if I'm watching a fight I mean look at that last week with Fury and Wilder you know I was eating out the palm of their hands I mean it was an amazing fight but you know it hypes it it's great it's awesome to watch I mean yes it is beautiful to see two fighters walk up there and bow and shake hands and all the rest of it but it's also a little fucking boring if I'm honest like when I'm working the way in shows I'm like | ||
| Give me something to talk about, please. | ||
| You know, because I don't want to talk about your boring last fight that went to a split decision when nothing really happened. | ||
| But if you get in their face at the weighing, great, we can pump it up a little bit. | ||
| We can sell the fight. | ||
| We can hype it up. | ||
| Yeah, when they have these press conferences and no one's being mean at all, I mean, half the fun is talking shit. | ||
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
| I'm enjoying myself. | ||
| I'm in my element up there. | ||
| It's like the famous one with GSP when he was like, are you intoxicated? | ||
| It's like, well, yeah, I am. | ||
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Yeah, I am. | |
| I'm in Vegas. | ||
| What do you want me to do? | ||
| You don't want to fight until the end of the year and it's January. | ||
| If we were fighting in two months, I wouldn't be intoxicated. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| But right now I am, you know? | ||
| So, yeah. | ||
| Well, there's been some hilarious moments in press conferences. | ||
| I mean, the one, the giant one with the UFC where Jeremy Stevens calls out to Conor and Conor goes, who the fuck is that guy? | ||
| That was hilarious. | ||
| That was great. | ||
| It really was good. | ||
| Honestly, every time I see that, I do laugh. | ||
| It was great. | ||
| Oh, he had to say. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Who the fuck is that guy? | ||
| But, I don't know. | ||
| But I think he was actually serious. | ||
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He might have been. | |
| Who the fuck is this guy? | ||
| Calling me out talking shit. | ||
| I'm sure he knows who Jeremy Stevens is. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| You don't think so? | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| Maybe not. | ||
| Maybe not. | ||
| I don't know everybody up there sometimes at press conferences. | ||
| Yeah, you can't. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| UFC has more than 500 fighters on their roster. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Especially when they have those giant press conferences and this Yeah. | ||
| There's like 16 fighters up there. | ||
| Yeah, it's impossible. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| I like both. | ||
| I like when fighters are respectful, and I like when fighters talk shit. | ||
| Yeah, for sure. | ||
| I mean, I did enjoy... | ||
| It was nice to see Brian Ortega and Max Holloway. | ||
| They had that nice back and forth where Max... | ||
| Sorry, pardon me, Brian was, you know, he's like, listen, I hope you're well and I hope you're over the injuries and all that type of thing. | ||
| That was nice to see. | ||
| It was great. | ||
| But they both were exuding confidence at the same time. | ||
| They were both adamant they were going to win the fight. | ||
| So it wasn't, they weren't being too overly cordial. | ||
| I don't want to see that right right. | ||
| I don't want to see two fights pretending like they're in church or meeting the fucking president Okay, I want to see two guys that want to rip each other's head off Call me an animal. | ||
| Call me a barbarian. | ||
| Call me whatever you want. | ||
| But that's what gets my, you know, engine ticking. | ||
| Well, even when they were at the final weigh-in and they're staring each other down, like, even though it was respectful, there was a lot of tension. | ||
| There was a lot of tension. | ||
| You knew what was going down. | ||
| Oh, you're talking about at the weigh-in, yeah. | ||
| I never saw that one. | ||
| When they were at the weigh-in and Max and Brian, they just stood... | ||
| You know, a couple feet away from each other staring at each other. | ||
| It was intense. | ||
| It was real. | ||
| That was a fucking hell of a fight, too. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Max was incredible. | ||
|
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Holy shit. | |
| He's incredible. | ||
| He really is. | ||
| Really is. | ||
| I mean... | ||
| I was kind of not concerned. | ||
| Well, you were the one who initially threw up the red flag. | ||
| When you saw him, you just felt like he looked too tired? | ||
| Well, he was slurring his words. | ||
| He looked half asleep. | ||
| He looked like he'd just got out of bed. | ||
| That's how he looked. | ||
| And then he was slurring his words. | ||
| And then, so I just said, you okay, Max? | ||
| Everything good? | ||
| And he's just like, you know. | ||
| He was slurring. | ||
| Simple as that. | ||
| And I'm like... | ||
| And of course, UFC tonight, you have a production meeting. | ||
| We go over the questions we're going to ask. | ||
| So you've got the questions there in front of you. | ||
| And I thought, I can't stick to these questions. | ||
| I've got to ask this guy, are you okay? | ||
| Good for you. | ||
| I'm glad you did that. | ||
| Well, you know, I felt bad afterwards. | ||
| Because then I heard that the fight was off. | ||
| And then... | ||
| I thought, shit, if I'd gone on, you know, two days, three days out from a fight, if I'd gone on fucking UFC tonight or whatever, just doing my obligations as a fighter, and then another fighter on the roster is calling me out for an injury, and now the fight's off, I'd have been pissed off with them. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Maybe, you know, that's my choice if I want to highlight it. | ||
| So I felt a little bad, but I really respected Max. | ||
| He sent me a message thanking me. | ||
| You know, he said, thank you. | ||
| He said, you know, he said, I appreciate that. | ||
| I needed someone to do that because he knew he wasn't 100%. | ||
| So yeah, you know, so anyway, I was saying I wasn't fully convinced that he was okay because it seemed like he was... | ||
| I don't know, still slurring his words or whatever. | ||
| He's kind of a mumbler. | ||
| He's a mumbler, yeah. | ||
| So am I, you know. | ||
| He was fine, though. | ||
| He was more than fine, dude. | ||
| He looked insane. | ||
| Insane. | ||
| So good. | ||
| And Ortega fired back. | ||
| Ortega hit him with some big shots. | ||
| Third round hit him with a couple of big shots. | ||
| At the end of the third round, he's like, this is my round. | ||
| Yeah, no, I saw that. | ||
| I told you. | ||
| Yeah, it's crazy. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| His fucking cardio, man. | ||
| His cardio is incredible. | ||
| Through the roof, you know? | ||
| Excellent footwork combinations, cuts angles well, reads the fight. | ||
| That's the main thing, you know what I mean? | ||
| He reads the fight, so... | ||
| He reads the fight and he's so good at implementing that strategy of consistent pressure, constant angles, switching stances, and he switches stances flawlessly. | ||
| He fights just as good southpaw as he does orthodox, and he'll switch in the middle of a combination and then turn corners on you. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| Fuck, man. | ||
| He's not there to be counted. | ||
| Yeah, he's fucking amazing, man. | ||
| Really good. | ||
| And when you hit him back, he claps. | ||
| He's like, good, good, good. | ||
| Keep going. | ||
| Remember against Ricardo Lamas? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And he just pointed at the floor. | ||
| He's like, come on. | ||
| Let's go right here. | ||
| Let's stand and bang it out. | ||
| Yeah, he's a wild motherfucker. | ||
| That was awesome. | ||
| Yeah, it really was. | ||
| You know, it's great to see that he is okay, too. | ||
| But I'm really happy that you did point that out. | ||
| Because there was some issues, and I think a lot of that probably had to do, I'm just speculating, but probably had to do with that massive weight cut. | ||
| I mean, he was trying to get down really quickly to 155, which is crazy, right? | ||
| Because he fights at 145, he's the champion. | ||
| And even struggling to go down from, he was in the 180s, to get down to 155 quickly to fight Khabib. | ||
| For the Khabib fight, yeah. | ||
| Because they offered it to him on last minute. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| You know, when Tony tore his knee apart. | ||
| Was that on set with you guys? | ||
| Were you there that day? | ||
| Well, I wasn't there. | ||
| I wasn't there, no. | ||
| But yeah, it was in the studios, yeah. | ||
| What a fucking freak occurrence. | ||
| That was crazy. | ||
| Trips over some wires, blows his knee apart. | ||
| What was it? | ||
| The fight had been matched three times? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And then they're almost there. | ||
| They're at the finish line doing the final bit of press. | ||
| Yeah, it's crazy. | ||
| You can't write that. | ||
| It's insane. | ||
| You can't. | ||
| Such bad luck. | ||
| It's like those guys are destined to never fight. | ||
| Oh, they've got to fight now. | ||
| If I could wave a wand in any match I want in that division, that's the match I want. | ||
| Oh, for sure. | ||
| Well, it's the fight that has to happen. | ||
| Tony is, in my mind, still the interim champion. | ||
| I have no idea why they stripped him. | ||
| It doesn't make any sense to me. | ||
| Listen, Tony, he's a character, shall we say it? | ||
| Yeah, he is a character. | ||
| He's a unique character. | ||
| But in my mind, he fought for the interim title, he won the interim title, and then he fucking blew his knee out. | ||
| But he blew his knee out doing press obligations. | ||
| He didn't do anything stupid. | ||
| No, exactly. | ||
| That's why I didn't understand that they stripped him. | ||
| I was like, this guy, I mean, the guy's ready to fight. | ||
| And then a few months later, he was ready to go again. | ||
| He beats the shit out of Pettis. | ||
| Yeah, and he looked incredible. | ||
| I was kind of concerned in that fight as well because it was so fast coming back. | ||
| So fast. | ||
| And apparently he was doing his own rehab and doing all these wild techniques. | ||
| And you saw that stuff online that he was doing. | ||
| I thought, this guy's going to hurt himself again. | ||
| But no, he went out there and looked amazing. | ||
| Apparently he didn't even do any sparring. | ||
| Oh, really? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Interesting. | ||
| I need to find this out for sure from him, but the word I'm getting for people that know him is that he didn't spar. | ||
| He just got it in incredible shape. | ||
| And he said, look, this knee is healing up. | ||
| It's in the process of healing. | ||
| And during his camp, it was continuing to heal. | ||
| Interesting. | ||
| And the way he kept that going is, don't do any takedowns. | ||
| Don't get your knee wrenched. | ||
| Don't get leg kicked. | ||
| Well, sparring is the hardest part of preparing for a fight, of course. | ||
| Well, and the wrestling. | ||
| Wrestling and sparring, they're the toughest. | ||
| Probably wrestling practice. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Actually, but... | ||
| Find a wrestler who doesn't have fucked up knees. | ||
| Yeah, my knees are fucked. | ||
| Not that I'm a wrestler. | ||
| Far from me. | ||
| But my knees are just destroyed. | ||
| Destroyed. | ||
| Meniscus mostly? | ||
| Well, I think I have a torn meniscus on my good knee right now. | ||
| That's my good knee. | ||
| But my bad knee... | ||
| Actually, GSP, the son of a bitch, he caused it back here. | ||
| I was training for the Ultimate Fighter 3 final, and I was training with George. | ||
| And we were training, you know, the old Zufa headquarters, that little gym at the bottom with the boxing ring. | ||
| Yeah, we were wrestling in there, and my knee hit the floor, tore my PCL, and then just, I don't know, one thing after the other, you know. | ||
| That was, what, 13, 12 years ago? | ||
| And it's just always been kind of fucked? | ||
| Yeah, well... | ||
| I'm sitting here right now. | ||
| When we finish, when I stand, I'll limp like crazy because when I sit here like this, it just seizes up like crazy. | ||
| So if I'm in a restaurant, I stand up and I walk like a moron. | ||
| If I'm going to the bathroom, I'm like, fucking look at this guy. | ||
| Jesus Christ. | ||
| But then I walk back and I'm walking in fine. | ||
| They're like, this attention-seeking bastard forgot that he put on a fake limp when he went to the bathroom. | ||
| I'm like, no, it's unseized now. | ||
| It's okay. | ||
| It's just when I first stand up. | ||
| Yeah, a popliteal cyst. | ||
| I think that's what's causing that right now. | ||
| Oh, so there's a cyst in there? | ||
| I think so, yeah. | ||
| You can get that drained. | ||
| Yeah, no, I know. | ||
| I've had cysts on my right knee. | ||
| I've had them drained twice. | ||
| Yeah, I've got to get that done. | ||
| It's a pain in the ass. | ||
| Yeah, it is. | ||
| The last time they just went in there and just pulverized it, went in there and just kept sticking it with needles. | ||
| Oh, really? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, I've got to get it done. | ||
| I've got to get that. | ||
| I've got to get a lot of shit done. | ||
| My neck issue. | ||
| Remember we were talking years ago in Manchester about my neck. | ||
| I never had that taken care of. | ||
| People didn't know, but it was hard for me to talk about it. | ||
| I didn't want to talk about it too much while I was commentating your fights, but you had a neck injury that was so bad, one of your arms was weaker than the other. | ||
| If you were doing bench press, Oh, for sure, still to this day. | ||
| I mean, you could take that samurai sword, I don't advise it, and stick it through the skin there, and I wouldn't feel a thing. | ||
| Well, I don't know if I wouldn't feel a thing, but I'm totally numb. | ||
| Totally numb. | ||
| I had a shower after my workout before, and then what I get a lot, I get like the... | ||
| Stinger? | ||
| Yeah, but down the entire right side. | ||
| I was in the shower. | ||
| It's happened a few times when I've been working on TV. I was doing this show called Hyperdrive for Netflix in the summer. | ||
| It was night shoots. | ||
| It was like four in the morning. | ||
| And all of a sudden, I'm doing this. | ||
| Everyone's going, oh my God. | ||
| I'm like, it's okay. | ||
| Calm down. | ||
| They're like, medic. | ||
| I'm like, no, it's okay. | ||
| It happens all the time. | ||
| So yeah, it's just pinched nerve, you know. | ||
| C5, C6. I got to get it taken care of. | ||
| Have you ever done any decompression or anything like that? | ||
| No. | ||
| It's all my own fault. | ||
| I'm too old school. | ||
| I need to go in and have treatment on my body. | ||
| But it's a whole thing, Joe. | ||
| I'm a busy man. | ||
| I haven't got an afternoon to go sit and get massaged or decompressed. | ||
| I need to do it. | ||
| I need to do it. | ||
| And this year, 2019 is the year that I get all these little... | ||
| Because my quality of life is still fine. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| I just grin and bear it and whatever and just occasionally have a mini heart attack. | ||
| You know? | ||
| I'll be okay. | ||
| I'm fine. | ||
| But eventually, this is the year. | ||
| I'm going to get all these little niggles taken care of. | ||
| Well, there's a company in Santa Monica called Lifespan Medicine and they do a procedure called Regenikine and that's what Peyton Manning had done over in Germany. | ||
| Kobe Bryant had it done. | ||
| And this is how I fix my bulging disc in my neck. | ||
| Well... | ||
| When I saw you there in Manchester, Dana tried to send me to Germany. | ||
| Yes, and I was telling you, you don't have to go to Germany, you go to Santa Monica. | ||
| It's exactly the same procedure. | ||
| I didn't go to Germany. | ||
| Yeah, don't go to Germany. | ||
| I couldn't be bothered. | ||
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That's the problem. | |
| You didn't do anything. | ||
| I didn't want to go down and spend half an hour or half my day. | ||
| I don't want to fly to fucking Germany and give me a week or whatever. | ||
| It's not that much time. | ||
| It'll take you like a couple of hours. | ||
| You do it three or four times and they can fix it. | ||
| No, I know. | ||
| It'll decrease all the inflammation. | ||
| The other thing is, there's a thing that they sell at Amazon. | ||
| You just get it on Amazon.com or a bunch of other stores online, and it's a spinal decompression harness. | ||
| I've seen it. | ||
| You hang it on a door. | ||
| Have you seen the thing where you pump it up with your hand? | ||
| Oh yeah, I've seen that one too. | ||
| I thought that's what you were talking about. | ||
| No, that's a good one too. | ||
| I haven't used that one, but I have friends that have used that one. | ||
| They like it a lot. | ||
| It's not bad. | ||
| It's not bad. | ||
| The one that I use, you hang from a door. | ||
| It's a little more hardcore. | ||
| Right. | ||
| It's hooked up to this harness. | ||
| It clips to the top of the door and you crank it. | ||
| Click, click, click, click, click, click, click. | ||
| And you're like literally hanging. | ||
| You're hanging there. | ||
| Yeah, I was going to say. | ||
| In a chair. | ||
| But it just... | ||
| Oh, when you get out of there, everything feels good. | ||
| I'm going to try and get one of those. | ||
| And if you do it consistently, it'll decompress it. | ||
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Oh, really? | |
| Yeah, you can do it in your house. | ||
| I need to do that. | ||
| I need to do that. | ||
| Yeah, you can do it in your house. | ||
| Just get up in the morning, you know, have your cup of tea. | ||
| My wife comes in and finds me... | ||
| I've committed suicide one day, dangling from the fucking doorframe. | ||
| Thanks, Joe. | ||
| Yeah, it won't kill you. | ||
| It won't kill you. | ||
| No, no. | ||
| But it does feel good. | ||
| It's the only way that I know of to really stretch your neck out that way. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| No, I do need to do that. | ||
| I try and do it in the sauna. | ||
| Was it wrestling that did your neck as well? | ||
| Yeah, for sure. | ||
| For sure, yeah. | ||
| In fact, I remember it. | ||
| I was going for a takedown and I think I ended up headbutting the floor. | ||
| Yeah, a lot of it would happen. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| What was that? | ||
| There was one of the fighters from Alpha Male. | ||
| He shot in for a takedown. | ||
| The guy went for a guillotine and he spiked himself. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And then just never walked again. | ||
| Oh, never walked. | ||
| Never walked again. | ||
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Oh, wow. | |
| Poor guy. | ||
| Yeah, became paralyzed. | ||
| No way. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Yeah, because as he shot, you know, he went in deep on the armpit. | ||
| The guy went for the guillotine, so his head is trapped, and all their weight together. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| You know, feet up in the air, the whole deal, power double. | ||
| Yeah, no, of course, yeah. | ||
| And then you've got two body weights going onto the neck as the... | ||
| You know, the pressure point, if you will. | ||
| Derek Lewis, who has the funniest Instagram of all time, for sure. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| Put one on yesterday of a girl, I think she's dead. | ||
| She twerked, and she twerked standing on her head, and then she twisted her neck, and then her whole body seized up, stiff as a board. | ||
| Well, I'm glad you and Derek find it funny. | ||
| I'm sure this poor woman's family is... | ||
| I hope she's okay. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| I really do. | ||
| I hope she's okay as well. | ||
| But, you know, if she's not, there's nothing you do about it now. | ||
| Well, no, there isn't, no. | ||
| Maybe we won't take the piss out of it on a podcast. | ||
| You've got to look at Derek's Instagram on a daily basis because a lot of the stuff gets taken down. | ||
| Oh, really? | ||
| Yeah, I'm surprised he hasn't been banned yet. | ||
| I just think he's too popular now. | ||
| I followed Derek for a while. | ||
| He's awesome. | ||
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He's hilarious. | |
| He's so funny. | ||
| He's fucking hilarious. | ||
| He really is. | ||
| He doesn't give a damn. | ||
| No. | ||
| Doesn't care. | ||
| See, that's the thing. | ||
| I see things. | ||
| People send me things. | ||
| Guys from back home. | ||
| I got some things this morning. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But they're massively offensive. | ||
| And I have a little chuckle in private. | ||
| I'm not going to put that shit on Instagram. | ||
| I'm not going to put it for the whole world to see. | ||
| What is this? | ||
| Is he doing a movie or something? | ||
| He's doing a movie, I think. | ||
| But then I think somebody the other day said... | ||
| When Jon Jones sneezes on you, I saw somebody put that caption. | ||
| Jon Jones. | ||
| He's an interesting character, huh? | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Yeah, for sure. | ||
| The big comeback. | ||
| It's going to be a tough fight, man. | ||
| That's a big fight. | ||
| That's a big fight. | ||
| Gustafson is no joke. | ||
| I love the way they size up too. | ||
| The way they match up against each other. | ||
| Oh yeah, absolutely. | ||
| Maybe that's why John struggled a little bit the first time because he's not used to fighting somebody with the same frame, the same physical attributes that make John so great. | ||
| Alex also has. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And what was his last fight? | ||
| Was it Teixeira? | ||
| I think it was. | ||
| He looked amazing in that fight. | ||
| His hands were so fast. | ||
| So fast. | ||
| The combinations he put together, they were beautiful. | ||
| Really, really good. | ||
| The final KO was like a video game sequence. | ||
| Oh, dude, it was incredible. | ||
| It really was. | ||
| It really was. | ||
| I mean, I think in a lot of ways, that was like what we were looking at with Tyson Fury and Deontay Wilder. | ||
| Two guys who'd never fought anybody that size before. | ||
| No, for sure. | ||
| Both fighting giants. | ||
| Both fighting these really tall guys. | ||
| Well, I know you had both guys on the show, and I listened to a little bit of yesterday's with Deontay when I was picking my son up from wrestling. | ||
| But when I watched that fight, I... Sorry, not when I watched it, prior to the fight happening, I thought Deontay was going to win. | ||
| Okay? | ||
| Even though Tyson's a very, very good technical boxer and for such a big man he uses a lot of feints and a lot of misdirection and he's very good, I thought Deontay's probably going to catch him. | ||
| But then when I saw that he weighed in at 212 pounds, I said, oh, it's over. | ||
| There's no way. | ||
| 212 pounds is too much of a weight disparity. | ||
| It's insane. | ||
| But, yeah, still got that knockout power, man. | ||
| Fuck! | ||
| Unbelievable. | ||
| He said he weighed 209 when he got into the ring. | ||
| Yeah, I heard you saying that. | ||
| 209. Yeah. | ||
| As a fucking heavyweight. | ||
| It's insane. | ||
| Well, that's what I thought. | ||
| I thought, this guy is too light. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He's like a twig. | ||
| The 6'7", 209. Crazy. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| It really is. | ||
| That fucking 12th round KO, or the knockdown, that was insane. | ||
| It really was. | ||
| He's got, like Teddy Atlas said it best, he goes, he's like fucking Thor with a hammer. | ||
| But, I mean, all respect and credit to Tyson Fury for getting out. | ||
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Fuck. | |
| I mean, I know there was all that talk and Deontay put it on his Instagram about it not actually being 10 seconds, about it being over 10 seconds, but still, it is what it is. | ||
| It might have been over 10 seconds on the clock, but the referee, it's not the fighter's job to make sure that it's 10 seconds on the clock. | ||
| It's not Tyson Fury's job to monitor a stopwatch in the corner and say, hey, ref! | ||
| We're at 10. No, if he hasn't said 10 and he gets up, fight's still on, you know? | ||
| There's no telling that he couldn't have got up on the actual 10. He probably could have gone up at the actual count of 10 as well. | ||
| But just the way he got up and then managed to win the round. | ||
| Well, that's what really impressed me. | ||
| I wasn't the biggest fan of Tyson Fury a few years ago. | ||
| I don't know, we had some stupid back and forth on social media, on Twitter. | ||
| What was it about? | ||
| He was saying that some... | ||
| Gypsy John, whoever he is, knocked me outside a nightclub in Blackburn. | ||
| But the only problem with that is supposedly at the time when I was living in America. | ||
| So anyway, so it didn't happen. | ||
| I've never been knocked out outside a nightclub in my life. | ||
| But apparently, according to Tyson, it did happen. | ||
| So I wasn't, you know, overly... | ||
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Thrilled. | |
| Right. | ||
| But I gotta say, over the last six months or even the year, you know, he really, really won me over. | ||
| What he overcame, losing all that weight, going through that depression or slump, whatever you want to call it, and then coming back and looking so good. | ||
| And then afterwards, you know, the post-fight speech I thought was beautiful. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Donating all his money to charity. | ||
| All of it. | ||
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It's just... | |
| It's just insane. | ||
| If you can't respect that, then you've got a serious problem. | ||
| So I applaud the guy and I'm a huge fan. | ||
| Yeah, I respect the shit out of both of them. | ||
| And I think that what happened with you was during his cocaine days. | ||
| So he was coked up and drinking like a fucking fish. | ||
| Probably. | ||
| He was probably out of his mind when he said that. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| Who cares? | ||
| He went through a dark time. | ||
| But what's fascinating to me is that he pulled himself out of it. | ||
| Not just pulled himself out, but wants to pull other people out too. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| No, absolutely. | ||
| And again, donating all that hard-earned money. | ||
| Hard-earned money. | ||
| Hard-earned. | ||
| And, you know... | ||
| You could have just given a million. | ||
| And everyone would have thought that was amazing as well. | ||
| That would have been a huge PR stunt. | ||
| But no, he gave it all. | ||
| And that speaks volumes about the man. | ||
| I mean, he even said, I don't need it. | ||
| He's a gypsy. | ||
| He doesn't need it. | ||
| He's probably made enough money to retire already. | ||
| He's had some big fights. | ||
| Sure, the Klitschko fight. | ||
| Yeah, and the rematch will be even bigger. | ||
| Oh, the rematch is going to be gigantic. | ||
| They're talking about it somewhere, April, May, June, somewhere around then. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| That's going to be fucking insane. | ||
| One of the best boxing fights I've ever seen. | ||
| Me as well. | ||
| Yeah, it really was incredible. | ||
| I felt like it was, it looked like Tyson was outboxing him and, you know, using a lot of feints, a lot of movement, a lot of misdirection, a lot of, that herky-jerky style that he does. | ||
| Well, that's what he does. | ||
| That's how he confuses people. | ||
| But then when he got clipped and dropped, I was like, oh... | ||
| You know, I thought he was going to get caught with the left hook. | ||
| Because we were... | ||
| There was the UFC Adelaide card on at the same time. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And we were at the Fox Studios. | ||
| And when the UFC deal with Fox is up, they switched to PCB, Pacific Coast Boxing, of which Deontay Wilder is one of their guys. | ||
| So in the room where we were watching... | ||
| Watching the Adelaide card. | ||
| They've got the fucking Deontay Wilder and Tyson Fury fight on. | ||
| Now I've got to talk about the Adelaide card in detail and break it down and this and that. | ||
| But there's one of the greatest heavyweight boxing fights you've ever seen in your life going on that screen over there. | ||
| So I'm like this watching... | ||
| Like you're watching a tennis match? | ||
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Yeah, yeah. | |
| It was crazy. | ||
| It was crazy. | ||
| And anyway, but as I was watching it, obviously Deontay was looking for that big right hand and Fury was doing a very, very good job of rolling away from it, just avoiding that shot. | ||
| And I said, if he follows that with a left hook... | ||
| He's going to catch him, and eventually that's what happened. | ||
| That was exactly what it was. | ||
| And he caught him as he was going down, which is even more spectacular. | ||
| Because I think he clipped him with the first one. | ||
| Yeah, clipped him with the right hand, then caught him with the left hook as he was going down. | ||
| And the fact that he got up after he was flat on his back, his arms were down, I think six out of ten referees would have stopped that fight right there. | ||
| They would have waved it off. | ||
| Oh, for sure. | ||
| Yeah, no, he looked... | ||
| For a moment, he looked dead. | ||
| He looked out. | ||
| Sorry, pardon me. | ||
| He didn't look dead. | ||
| He looked knocked out. | ||
| He looked unconscious for a few seconds. | ||
| And then the lights came back on. | ||
| I hope he came. | ||
| It's interesting when a judge or referee, rather, has a decision to make. | ||
| Whether or not they decide to stop a fight. | ||
| And it's one of the more frustrating things ever when a referee stops a fight prematurely. | ||
| It's rough. | ||
| But then when you look at a fight, like the Adonis Stevenson fight this weekend, and I don't remember how to pronounce the Russian gentleman's name, it's with a G-Z. The guy who knocked out Adonis Stevenson. | ||
| So I didn't see this, but Adonis is in hospital in critical condition right now, correct? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And he's undergone brain surgery, apparently he's got bleeding on the brain, and it was a good knockout, but it wasn't particularly... | ||
| It wasn't insanely vicious. | ||
| Yeah, so when you looked at it, you didn't think this guy's going to have issues. | ||
| He sat up, he got up, he looks like he's okay, and it looked like... | ||
| But that's the problem with boxing. | ||
| I think, what is it, 12 to 15 deaths per year in boxing around the world. | ||
| It's a very, very sad start. | ||
| I guess, you know, I mean, you're involved with the UFC, you know all the pro MMA... Dialogue that's put out there, you know, well, boxing is more dangerous because it's only punches to the head and they can take more blows, but... | ||
| That is the thing that you can't take more blows. | ||
| I guess it is true. | ||
| It is true. | ||
| Yeah, for sure. | ||
| The slightly bigger gloves, you can take more shots, which has, you know, a more damaging effect on the brain. | ||
| American football versus rugby as well. | ||
| Rugby is a better, safer sport. | ||
| Yeah, which is crazy because there's no pads, no helmets, no nothing. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But yeah... | ||
| But it's a better safer sport. | ||
| I don't know if anyone's ever died in rugby. | ||
| It's not something that I hear about. | ||
| It's not a narrative. | ||
| I'm sure someone's probably died. | ||
| Yeah, no, for sure. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| But I don't think it's a thing. | ||
| No. | ||
| But unfortunately, I mean, the poor guys. | ||
| You see kids at high school. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| There was one on the news, I think, a couple of years ago, close to where I live down here. | ||
| And, yeah, heartbreaking. | ||
| I would never let my kids play football. | ||
| If my kids wanted to fight, I'd say, look, you're going to learn how to fight correctly, but if you want to play football, get the fuck out of here. | ||
| It's just too many guys running at you, full clip, clashing helmet to helmet. | ||
| Well, that's the thing, because they're young kids. | ||
| They're young kids, and I remember when I was that age. | ||
| You think you're invincible. | ||
| Excuse me. | ||
| Pardon me. | ||
| You think you're invincible, and certainly then you put on this giant helmet, and you think you can just charge him with your head. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| And unfortunately, that isn't the case. | ||
| Well, we've gone over some of the most recent statistics that they've released on CTE with football players, and they're talking about from Pop Warner to high school to college to professional, the number, like across the board, the number that exhibits CTE symptoms is staggering. | ||
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Right. | |
| I can only imagine. | ||
| The vast majority. | ||
| I'm sure it is. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| It's a fucking nutty sport. | ||
| Rugby's better. | ||
| It's a better sport. | ||
| It's a better sport. | ||
| What in terms of... | ||
| To me, I think it's more exciting. | ||
| I enjoy rugby. | ||
| I used to play rugby. | ||
| I used to love rugby. | ||
| I was a pretty good rugby player when I was younger, but... | ||
| It's surprising to hear that from an American, you know. | ||
| I don't watch football. | ||
| I love an American, Joe. | ||
| You know, with the big American flag behind you and you got the fucking... | ||
| What are those? | ||
| What is that? | ||
| That's from Australia. | ||
| A wildebeest? | ||
| No, that is an Asian water buffalo from Australia. | ||
| That was my next guess. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Is it the wildebeest or the Asian water buffalo? | ||
| That's from me good mate Adam Greentree, who shot that sucker and brought it over for me to give me a little decoration. | ||
| But that's an invasive species in Australia. | ||
| They shoot them out of helicopters. | ||
| Oh, really? | ||
| They have to kill them. | ||
| They don't have any other than crocodiles. | ||
| Well, there's no meat or flesh on it, but if that thing had meat and flesh and bones and was running at me, I'd shit my pants. | ||
| Fucking gigantic animal. | ||
| Look at the size of those horns, man. | ||
| It's a huge animal. | ||
| Oh, and I can only imagine, yeah. | ||
| A couple thousand pounds. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Cows, they're gigantic. | ||
| Well, they have cows over there that are wild. | ||
| They're called scrub bulls. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But you know how, like, we see a rodeo rider rides a bull, and the bull's like, get the fuck off me and kick me crazy? | ||
| Well, that's because they've got testosterone and giant balls, and they're fucking super aggressive. | ||
| You never see a bull in the wild. | ||
| Dude, I used to work at a slaughterhouse. | ||
| I used to slaughter 500 cows a day. | ||
| The size of those fucking bulls will scare you to death. | ||
| I wasn't looking at the cogs. | ||
| I know. | ||
| I'm saying their balls are like a fist. | ||
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Oh, dude. | |
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
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They're giant. | |
| When I was 16, I come from a small town, and one of the local employers is the slaughterhouse. | ||
| And any young loser like myself has done a stint at the slaughterhouse when they need a job, you know. | ||
| And I went in, and... | ||
| I was squeegee mopping blood into the drains. | ||
| I was like, what the fuck is this? | ||
| So I said to the foreman, I said, listen, I could be of more use to you than this. | ||
| He said, let me think about it. | ||
| So I went off, had my break, had my bacon sandwich, came back and he's like, yep, you're right. | ||
| You're a good kid. | ||
| I'm going to make you an apprentice slaughterman. | ||
| I was like, holy fuck, that's not what I was looking for. | ||
| And talk about shocking. | ||
| Oh, I've never seen anything like it in my life. | ||
| It was insane. | ||
| Insane. | ||
| And I'm offending all the vegans and animal lovers. | ||
| I'm an animal lover big time, you know, but you've got to make ends meet when you're a kid living in a small town. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| So how'd you slaughter them? | ||
| Well... | ||
| They line up single file and eventually they come into like a little cubicle like this and you're standing above them and as they come in you push a button door drops down and they're in this confined environment like a big rectangle like a big cubicle and you're raised up and you have this bell you touch the head and then you knock it on the head that shoots a bolt it falls down and falls into the wall then you push a button and the door slides up and the Cow rolls down. | ||
| So you run down the steps and as you're running down you grab what's called a piffing rod. | ||
| It's like a eight foot long flexible piece of plastic it's in sterilized liquid you pull that out as you run down then you put your like neon belly you put your knee on the uh the head of the cow you feel for the hole you just made in the hair then you get the end of the piffing rod you push it into the hole you feed it all the way in until it's all the way into about this much out the top of the head how long is the rod about eight foot eight foot and you feed it all the way because it goes down the spinal column You're killing all | ||
| the nerve endings. | ||
| His eyes are popping out of his head. | ||
| The thing's fucking kicking like a maniac. | ||
| You've got your knee on it. | ||
| Then you pull that out. | ||
| Put it back in the sterilized thing. | ||
| You get a chain. | ||
| Put it around the rear foot. | ||
| Push a button. | ||
| It strings it up. | ||
| Pull out your knife. | ||
| Here to here. | ||
| Guts. | ||
| Elevated doors like The Shining. | ||
| Blood everywhere. | ||
| Next one, run back upstairs. | ||
| Next count, let's go. | ||
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And if you're not quick, they're like, motherfucker, let's go, come on! | |
| 500 a day. | ||
| I was such a pussy. | ||
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500 a day. | |
| I was such a little bitch. | ||
| I couldn't do it. | ||
| I'm like, fuck this. | ||
| Fuck this. | ||
| I'm going to have nightmares when I go home. | ||
| I did it for about two weeks and I'm like, yeah, I'm out. | ||
| I'm out. | ||
| See you, buddy. | ||
| Too disturbing? | ||
| Way too disturbing. | ||
| And the people that work there are a little disturbed as well, you know? | ||
| I would imagine you get a little twisted a couple of years in your job there. | ||
| I mean, I think they were fucking with me because I was a kid. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You know, like, because obviously from there, then they get, you know, the chainsawed in half and they start looking like meat. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You know, they go up and they take a bite. | ||
| Yeah, take a bite, Mike. | ||
| It's an acquired taste, you know. | ||
| They would eat it raw? | ||
| They were just doing it to fuck with me. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Little 16-year-old kid, wet behind the ears. | ||
| I didn't know that they stuck a rod through the hole in the brain all the way through the spinal column. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| It's pretty shocking, yeah. | ||
| I've never even heard of something like that. | ||
| Piffing rod, that's what you call it. | ||
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Wow. | |
| I wonder if that's standard practice still today. | ||
| I've never seen... | ||
| I've seen some awful PETA slaughterhouse videos. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But... | ||
| They die quick, though. | ||
| It was weird. | ||
| They die instantly. | ||
| Very quick, yeah. | ||
| They get through enough in one day. | ||
| I couldn't do it now. | ||
| There's no way I could do it now. | ||
| When you're young, you know... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Your morals change as you get older. | ||
| Your feelings or your values change. | ||
| Couldn't do it now. | ||
| What if that was your only source of meat? | ||
| Well, if it was my own source of meat, then the motherfucker's dying. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But I'm not a... | ||
| I know you're a big hunting guy. | ||
| I'm not a big... | ||
| Well, I've never been hunted in my life, but if you're going to eat it to live, then good for you, of course. | ||
| You know, it serves a purpose. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, I became a hunter because of those videos. | ||
| Which videos? | ||
| Those PETA videos of slaughterhouses. | ||
| Oh, really? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't want to have any part of that. | ||
| No, no. | ||
| Well, exactly. | ||
| No, no. | ||
| I respect that. | ||
| I do. | ||
| I'm not so much into their... | ||
| Well, I detest it. | ||
| Trophy hunting and things like that. | ||
| You know, I know that's a... | ||
| No, I'm not into it either. | ||
| I mean, I don't understand the desire to hunt something that you're not interested in eating. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, these rich businessmen flying out to Africa and, you know, shooting a majestic beast or an elephant or... | ||
| A lion from a distance. | ||
| There's no honour in that. | ||
| There's no honour in shooting a lion even from close up. | ||
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I don't get it. | |
| Yeah, but from a distance, hiding in the bushes and pulling a fucking trigger? | ||
| You think that makes you a man? | ||
| You think that, you know? | ||
| The only way that makes sense to me is if you're in a part of Africa where lions are consistently killing your livestock and you have to protect your livestock, which is Colorado. | ||
| There's a big issue with mountain lions. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And a lot of it, Wyoming. | ||
| There's a lot of places that have hunting seasons on mountain lions because of that. | ||
| Yeah, I wouldn't say there's hard and fast rules for everything, different environments, different situations, then you need a different approach. | ||
| Well, you know that Cecil the Lion thing, that whole story that went down? | ||
| What happened? | ||
| If you remind me, I think I know about it. | ||
| I remember hearing something about it. | ||
| A famous majestic lion that was in this park, and the lion left the park and went into this area where it's legal for them to hunt, and a hunter who's a dentist from America shot this lion, and everyone became very mad at this guy because the lion had a collar on it, which meant that there was a lion that they were tracking. | ||
| The thing is, they can't see the collar when they're trying to shoot it. | ||
| They have this giant mane. | ||
| There's no way you're going to see the collar. | ||
| Where was this dentist from? | ||
| Somewhere in America. | ||
| Yeah, so he's a fucking asshole. | ||
| So what? | ||
| It was in my territory where I'm allowed to shoot. | ||
| Alright, grey area, I guess. | ||
| But the fact that you're flying out to fucking Africa to shoot Majestic Beasts, for me, that's a weak excuse. | ||
| It is. | ||
| And this is coming from a guy that used to fucking kill 500 cows a day. | ||
| Here's where it's fucked up, though. | ||
| For a week, and I was an apprentice. | ||
| I didn't really do it very much. | ||
| When the backlash hit, and all these people were furious at that guy, and then no one wanted to go over there and hunt lions. | ||
| So because no one wanted to go over there and hunt lions, the lion population exploded. | ||
| When the lion population exploded, the ungulate population, all the antelope and all those animals, dropped radically. | ||
| So the wildlife biologists made an assessment that they had to kill some lions. | ||
| So they killed... | ||
| I think they wound up killing 200 lions and just dumping their bodies. | ||
| Whereas the money would have gone for those 200 lions, they would have gotten $50,000 for each lion if a hunter had taken them. | ||
| And then what they have done, they take that money and they pour it back into conservation. | ||
| It's a very messy business. | ||
| Sure, absolutely. | ||
| And there you go. | ||
| There is the argument for it. | ||
| Yeah, but it's a tricky argument. | ||
| It is a tricky argument. | ||
| And I don't have the answers. | ||
| And I'm not educated enough to really sit here and debate it or really cast any kind of opinion on anyone, really. | ||
| Shooting an animal from a distance, I'm not a fan of. | ||
| That's about it. | ||
| You shoot most of them from a distance. | ||
| You kind of have to. | ||
| Yeah, no, for sure. | ||
| Like if I shoot an elk up close, that's a real problem. | ||
| Oh, yeah, no, absolutely. | ||
| And I'm not talking about you going out and I've seen your videos on your barbecue. | ||
| It looks fucking delicious. | ||
| I'm sure it's great. | ||
| I'm sure it's awesome. | ||
| I have no issue with that. | ||
| I'll cook you some. | ||
| Please. | ||
| I would love to. | ||
| You'll eat it and you'll go, holy shit. | ||
| I'm sure I will. | ||
| It doesn't taste like anything else, man. | ||
| I love meat. | ||
| I bet you do. | ||
| I'm a carnivore. | ||
| I'm a carnivore, for sure. | ||
| No, you're right. | ||
| The argument for it, you can make the same argument for people. | ||
| Hey, we'll keep these people healthy. | ||
| We'll just kill a couple of them. | ||
| Well, there you go. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| How about we have these really rich people come over from Germany. | ||
| They spend $100,000 and they'll kill a few poor people. | ||
| And the rest of the poor people, they're going to get all this money. | ||
| There'll be more houses for them all. | ||
| Right now, there is enough accommodation for everybody to live in. | ||
| Let's just cool. | ||
| Just a few hundred thousand. | ||
| Let them loose in the hills. | ||
| We'll chase them with bows and arrows. | ||
| We'll just kill a few of these people. | ||
| It's tricky. | ||
| You know? | ||
| It's not good. | ||
| We'll kill some of the rapists and murderers coming off the border. | ||
| Job solved. | ||
| And then the other problem is even the animals that make sense to hunt. | ||
| I don't think there's rapists and murderers coming off the border, by the way. | ||
| Well, there's probably a couple. | ||
| Let's be honest. | ||
| I think they caught a couple. | ||
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There's a few. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| Most of them are just poor folks and want a better life. | ||
| No, for sure. | ||
| No shame on that. | ||
| Well, you're an immigrant. | ||
| My family's immigrants. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| I mean, we're all product of immigrants. | ||
| Yeah, of course. | ||
| Unless you're Native American, you should probably shut the fuck up. | ||
| 100%. | ||
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Yeah, yeah. | |
| No, that's totally right. | ||
| Especially here. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| No, I know. | ||
| That's the funny thing. | ||
| I'm like, really? | ||
| Here. | ||
| Show me a third generation American in this country. | ||
| They're hard to come across. | ||
| They are. | ||
| Everybody I meet out here claims to be English when I meet them. | ||
| Oh yeah, my fucking auntie's English or Irish. | ||
| They all claim to be Irish. | ||
| You guys love to claim an Irish descent. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Oh yeah. | ||
| Is this recent? | ||
| Is this because of Conor McGregor? | ||
| You guys fucking love to claim... | ||
| My mum's Irish. | ||
| My mum has an Irish accent. | ||
| Okay? | ||
| She fucking talks like this, Michael. | ||
| Hey! | ||
| She's Irish as they come. | ||
| I've never once claimed to be Irish. | ||
| There you go. | ||
| That's what I say to everybody. | ||
| They're like, oh yeah, I'm Swiss. | ||
| I'm Italian. | ||
| Does anybody in your immediate family talk with an Italian accent? | ||
| No? | ||
| Well, shut the fuck up, because you're American. | ||
| Okay? | ||
| And that's okay. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's okay. | ||
| Be proud of that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You're not English. | ||
| Just because your great-great-great-great-grandmother... | ||
| Grew up in Ipswich or Gloucestershire or somewhere. | ||
| Does it make you English, love? | ||
| So your kids' kids will be American? | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Well, yeah. | ||
| Basically. | ||
| We got green cards recently, so yeah. | ||
| Oh, nice. | ||
| Yeah, they will be, yeah. | ||
| How does that work? | ||
| Do you have to mind your P's and Q's? | ||
| If you get in trouble over here, they ship you back? | ||
| I guess. | ||
| That's tricky, right? | ||
| That's one good thing about being American. | ||
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Well, I'm okay. | |
| I'm okay. | ||
| You know, 20 years ago it would have been an issue. | ||
| But these days I'm fine. | ||
| You're a gentleman. | ||
| I'm a fine gentleman, Joe. | ||
| Come on, man. | ||
| You're a businessman. | ||
| Jeez, come on. | ||
| Killing it. | ||
| You're an expert commentator. | ||
| You've got a podcast. | ||
| You're doing movies. | ||
| It's all over the place. | ||
| A lot of shit's happening. | ||
| Yeah, we're good. | ||
| We don't have to worry about you. | ||
| We're not hanging out in bars getting knocked out by gypsies. | ||
| They were the old days! | ||
| You are getting into the movie business, right? | ||
| You've been doing a few movies. | ||
| Weren't you doing a movie during the time you were doing the Rockhold fight? | ||
| That's right, yeah. | ||
| I was filming Triple X. Yeah, yeah. | ||
| I've been out there for about three months. | ||
| And then I was flying home and I was looking for some walkie-talkies for my seven-year-old. | ||
| I don't know why. | ||
| I thought that'd be a good idea. | ||
| Turns out getting a hold of walkie-talkies isn't very easy these days. | ||
| I went on a fucking wild goose chair trying to get these fucking walkie-talkies that didn't even get played with. | ||
| He was like, yeah, cool, I've got a phone, Dad. | ||
| I'm like, yeah, I should have thought of that. | ||
| And as I'm looking for them, I checked Twitter, I got a coffee, and I see Chris Wyman and pulled out. | ||
| So yeah, I text Dana, I said, listen, if this is true, you know, you know where I am. | ||
| And he was like, oh, great, we love that, you know, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. | ||
| But Jacare is our first option. | ||
| So I thought, for a minute there, I thought I was getting a title shot, and I thought, there's no way Jacare is going to turn it down. | ||
| So I went to my buddy's Jason's house and watched a basketball game and had a few drinks and, you know... | ||
| Didn't party as such. | ||
| I was on set the next day, but I had a few drinks. | ||
| Now, if I knew I was fighting for a world belt in two weeks, you know, I would have been on a strict diet, not overindulging, but I definitely overindulged. | ||
| And then the next day, I'm walking into the gym just to have, you know, this little light workout. | ||
| And my phone starts exploding, lighting up like a Christmas tree. | ||
| And I'm like, what the hell? | ||
| And then Ariel Hawane calls me. | ||
| He's like, Mike, Dana just announced at SportsCenter that you're fighting for the belt. | ||
| I'm like, What the fuck? | ||
| This is the first I heard about it! | ||
| I'm like, fucking Dana! | ||
| God bless him. | ||
| So I'm like, oh shit! | ||
| So I'm panicking like crazy. | ||
| How much did you weigh? | ||
| So that's the first thing I did. | ||
| I ran into the changing room, got on the scale. | ||
| I was like 215, 216. Is that rough? | ||
| Yeah, for sure. | ||
| What do you like? | ||
| A week before, I like to be 200 pounds. | ||
| So this is two weeks before. | ||
| I'm 215, so I'm like, shit, screw the weights. | ||
| I need to run. | ||
| So I just run out of the gym, throw my backpack on my shoulders, and just I'm sprinting through Toronto City Centre like a madman. | ||
| Of course, there's traffic lights every 30 seconds. | ||
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Right. | |
| So I don't want to stop at the traffic lights because that's no good. | ||
| So I'm just running out, nearly getting run over by taxis, jumping over homeless people, falling over, ducking and diving. | ||
| It was great training. | ||
| And then Dana called. | ||
| So I'm negotiating the fight whilst running through Toronto. | ||
| And then I carried on going, and then I end up in the middle of nowhere, just running and running and running. | ||
| And then Jason Perillo gets on the phone, and all the doubt starts creeping in. | ||
| I start thinking, Jesus Christ, this is so typical of my career. | ||
| I've won a title fight my whole career. | ||
| I've been through many ups and downs, and now here I am. | ||
| I get the title fight. | ||
| It's on two weeks' notice. | ||
| I've been filming a goddamn movie. | ||
| I've been near a gym, MMA gym, for a while doing anything. | ||
| And it's against somebody that's already beaten me. | ||
| So I'm kind of destined to fail. | ||
| This is so fucking typical. | ||
| And then Jason got on the phone and he talked to me around big time. | ||
| He said a lot of very positive things. | ||
| Jason's an amazing coach. | ||
| He really is. | ||
| He's incredible. | ||
| He really is. | ||
| There's a lot of... | ||
| There's a lot of trainers out there. | ||
| There's a lot of pad men. | ||
| There's a lot of fakers in mixed martial arts, certainly these days. | ||
| Guys that really have true heritage in martial arts or any kind of steep history in combat sports, they're few and far between. | ||
| You can train... | ||
| Any guy can... | ||
| Watch a video. | ||
| And it's a little bit of coordination how to hold pads. | ||
| And you see them. | ||
| It's all the crazies in it these days. | ||
| Hitting pads to get fit. | ||
| You know. | ||
| One, two, left hook. | ||
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Woo! | |
| You know. | ||
| Just because you can do that and hold pads doesn't make you a coach. | ||
|
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Right. | |
| Does not make you a coach. | ||
| And there's a lot of fakers out there. | ||
| But Jason is not one of them. | ||
| He speaks from the heart and he knows what the fuck he's talking about. | ||
| And we had a good chat. | ||
| And by the end of it, I was feeling a lot better. | ||
| And yeah. | ||
| So when you were filming that movie, were you working out at all? | ||
| I was doing vanity workouts. | ||
| I like to run, certainly when I'm in a city. | ||
| So I was running probably three or four days a week, a 4.2 mile run. | ||
| Not too bad. | ||
| So you were doing something. | ||
| So I was running and I was lifting weights a few times a week, you know, biceps and shoulders. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Yeah, chest press. | ||
| Lots of chest press. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| And then GSB's coach, Jorge Blanco. | ||
| Do you know Jorge? | ||
| No, I don't. | ||
| He's a very, very, very good trainer. | ||
| Rashad Evans put me on to him whilst I was up there. | ||
| I went to see him like two or three times, you know. | ||
| But no, not training as such. | ||
| But yeah. | ||
| Just a little bit of exercise. | ||
| But sometimes that's good anyway, right? | ||
| So it gives your body a chance to recover. | ||
| Well, that's what I said afterwards. | ||
| Because I went into that fight feeling so strong, feeling so good. | ||
| I'm like... | ||
| Because I consistently overtrained every single fight in my career, apart from that one. | ||
| And I said, oh, I'll learn from this. | ||
| I'll learn from this. | ||
| And you don't. | ||
| And it's like Jason Prillo always says... | ||
| It takes confidence to take a day off to rest the body, you know? | ||
| And now, of course, there's a fine line between having the confidence to take a day off and being a lazy bastard and saying, I'm going to sit on the couch today, you know? | ||
| But if you know, listen, I'm good... | ||
| I'm going to take a day or two off because I need it, you know? | ||
| So that was one of the mistakes I made with my career. | ||
| I always train too much. | ||
| And Jason said, you know, I used to mind fuck myself because it meant so much to me. | ||
| You know, my fight career meant so much to me. | ||
| I used to overcomplicate it, overanalyze it, overwork it, stress myself out with it, you know? | ||
| And that was hindering my performances. | ||
| I never once thought to my ability of what I performed in the gym. | ||
| Never once. | ||
| I remember one day I pulled up outside Ruka and Jason was waiting for me outside. | ||
| And I pulled up and he says, Mike, come here. | ||
| Can we have a quick chat? | ||
| I said, yeah, what's up? | ||
| He said, listen... | ||
| Bunch of good guys in there, okay? | ||
| He said, but you're a fucking world champion. | ||
| Can you go in there and spar these guys and act like a world champion? | ||
| They're here, you're up there. | ||
| Act like it. | ||
| Don't go in, lose your fucking temper, spaz out, stress out, act like a dick, say things you regret. | ||
| You know when the sparring's not quite necessarily going your way, you know, you get a little pissed off or whatever, you know, say your jiu-jitsu coach is catching you and tapping you out a little bit and you start getting a little frustrated. | ||
| He said, can you just... | ||
| You know, can we have none of that please? | ||
| Great advice. | ||
| Just like when I was fighting for the belt, when I flew home from doing that movie, I went straight to the gym when I landed and Jason said to me, because I was always stressed, you know, and he said, listen, We don't know if you're going to win this fight, Mike. | ||
| You know, fingers crossed. | ||
| I believe in you. | ||
| I believe you're going to win this fight. | ||
| But we don't know if you're going to win this fight. | ||
| So this might be the only time you're ever going to fight for a world title, right? | ||
| I said, well, yeah, possibly. | ||
| He said, well, let's enjoy the process. | ||
| You know, let's go through this with a smile on your face. | ||
| He said, this is huge. | ||
| He said, you're in a position that everyone would kill to be in. | ||
| You're fighting for the championship. | ||
| You're fighting for the belt. | ||
| You've wanted this your whole life. | ||
| Enjoy this, you know? | ||
| And it was such... | ||
| Amazing advice. | ||
| Because I was like, yeah, you're right. | ||
| And I went through the whole thing with a big smile on my face. | ||
| When you clip Rockhold, I remember thinking, holy shit. | ||
| When I see Rockhold's legs buckle and I see him stagger backwards, I was like, holy shit, he got him. | ||
| And then when he stumbled against the cage and you bashed him and stopped him. | ||
| I'm going to help but laugh because it does bring a smile to my face. | ||
| Almost like I couldn't believe it. | ||
| It was like a movie. | ||
| It was one of those things because you were a big underdog coming to that fight. | ||
| Everybody knew you took it on short notice. | ||
| Everybody knew that you were working on a movie. | ||
| And so for you to land that, when you landed that left hand, you missed it once before, too. | ||
| And I remember thinking, man, that is fucking close. | ||
| Like, that's close. | ||
| Like, you saw this opening for that left hand. | ||
| And you clipped him over the top of the shoulder. | ||
| He didn't see it coming. | ||
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Bang! | |
| You dropped that left hand on his chin. | ||
| And you see, like, his eyes roll back and his legs give out. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Fuck, man. | ||
| Well, that was the whole plan, the left hook. | ||
| You know, Jason had seen that he was open for that, and I'd seen he was open for that. | ||
| And he was even doing this exercise on these bands, resistance bands, whatever. | ||
| He was doing this, and his chin was up, and his right hand was down at the end of it. | ||
| And Jason said, he's drilling these moves here, and he's finishing. | ||
| Here, that left hook all day long. | ||
| And, you know, he's coming forward and we're exchanging punches and nothing really significant has landed. | ||
| And I just, right hook to the body, just whip the left hook. | ||
| And you know, as a fighter, when you land a good shot, because you get the feedback on your fist. | ||
| There's nothing like it, you know what I mean? | ||
| When you feel that solid connection and the knuckles go through the glove, you know, and you feel it, you're like... | ||
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Whoa! | |
| That was a good one! | ||
| And then, whoa, he falls down. | ||
| I'm like, holy shit! | ||
| Hold on. | ||
| And then he gets back up. | ||
| I'm like, fuck you. | ||
| Boom. | ||
| Back down. | ||
| And then he went down and obviously he's got very good jiu-jitsu and he was kind of sat back against the fence and I thought, I've got to be careful not to go in his guard, but... | ||
| Yeah, I got the finished felt. | ||
| The best feeling I've ever felt in my life was big John McCarthy's gigantic forearm nearly pulling my head off my shoulders as he wrestled me off him. | ||
| Because he knew it was over. | ||
| Because I knew it was over. | ||
| It was great. | ||
| What did that feel like when you knew you did it? | ||
| One of the best feelings in the world. | ||
| One of the best... | ||
| Because... | ||
| You know, for me, the amount of fights I've had is unbelievable, professionally and unprofessionally. | ||
| When I was a kid, that's all... | ||
| I was. | ||
| That was my only identity as being a fighter and just being that guy. | ||
| Unfortunately, rightly or wrongly. | ||
| Well, it's wrongly. | ||
| It's wrongly. | ||
| Of course it is. | ||
| I was a fucking idiot when I was a kid. | ||
| I was fighting so much. | ||
| But that's what I clung to. | ||
| I was a fighter and that was the only thing that I could draw pride from. | ||
| Becoming the world champion, knowing that everybody wrote me off, knowing that everyone talked shit about me, you know, other fighters, just, you know, it was everywhere. | ||
| I heard what people always said about me, do you know what I mean? | ||
| So to win like that in style in the first round, yeah, yeah, it felt amazing. | ||
| There it is right there. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Rockhold was very upset. | ||
| Yeah, he was, yeah. | ||
| You know... | ||
| You talked a lot of shit to him even after you beat him. | ||
| Well, well, hold on. | ||
| My wife was behind me there and she deserves a shout-out because if it wasn't for her, none of this would have happened. | ||
| But with Rockhold, with what happened after the fight, so I... Okay, there's a few things that I regret that happened after the fight. | ||
| First of all, I jump on the fence and I'm just so worked up. | ||
| I scoot down. | ||
| Fuck you. | ||
| Whatever. | ||
| No big deal. | ||
| I'm not too concerned about that one. | ||
| Um... | ||
| And then as I'm doing my, like, victory dance, if you will, I do a lap of the octagon. | ||
| And I cross paths with Luke, pardon me, and I'm like, hey, you know, you say whatever you say, you know, unlucky bird, you know, good fight, whatever, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. | ||
| I said that, and I carried on having my moment. | ||
| I was just out of my mind, on adrenaline, and just having a great time. | ||
| And then I found myself, I'd done an entire lap of the octagon again, and I was passing him again. | ||
| So I just thought I'd extend my courtesy one more time. | ||
| And I put my hand out and he said, I already shook your hand. | ||
| I'm like, oh, really? | ||
| You're still going to be a dickhead? | ||
| He's like, yeah, I already shook your hand. | ||
| So then I was like, okay, well now the gloves are off. | ||
| I said, don't worry, buddy. | ||
| You're in an octagon. | ||
| You've just been knocked out. | ||
| It's okay. | ||
| You'll figure it out in a minute. | ||
| Don't worry about it. | ||
| You'll come too, bud. | ||
| You'll be good. | ||
| So I kind of looked like an asshole because people didn't see that. | ||
| He refused to shake my hand the second time. | ||
| I was like, well, go fuck yourself then. | ||
| And then when you gave me the microphone, when you gave me the microphone, I said the most crude comment ever. | ||
| I'm like, I've been fighting ever since I came out of my mother. | ||
| I'm like, whoa, that is not an image that I want to portray to the world when I win the world belt. | ||
| What I meant was ever since I've been born. | ||
| But in the moment, the words escaped me a little bit and I... Painted a rather disturbing image of my mother giving birth to me. | ||
| But yeah, I didn't choose my words too carefully there. | ||
| But yeah, no, it was great, man. | ||
| Well, you can't be held accountable for that. | ||
| I mean, there's no one that's ever going to be able to understand that other than someone who wins the title. | ||
| No one's going to know what that felt like. | ||
| It's impossible. | ||
| It was incredible. | ||
| It really was. | ||
| It really was. | ||
| I can only imagine. | ||
| It was a good one. | ||
| It was good. | ||
| I'm just happy that for you, you know, having a chance to see all your fights and see your career go for as long as it went, that you did go out with a title. | ||
| That is a nice thing. | ||
| Yeah, for sure. | ||
| Yeah, you know, I mean, as I say, that was for me... | ||
| I'm not sure. | ||
| Well, I wouldn't have retired. | ||
| I wouldn't have retired yet. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah, no. | ||
| No, because I know I could still do it. | ||
| I could still fight now. | ||
| But the time was right. | ||
| And then I started having issues with my good eye as well after the Gastelum fight. | ||
| So I'm like, this isn't worth it. | ||
| How is your eyes now? | ||
| Because you had oil in one of your eyes. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Can you explain how that was going on? | ||
| Yeah, so when I detach my retina, they did what's called a slural buckle. | ||
| If you've watched the surgery, it's absolutely disgusting. | ||
| But one of the things that they do, they put gas inside your eye. | ||
| If I'm getting this wrong, I apologise to all doctors, but it kind of helps hold the retina in place. | ||
| But you can't fly. | ||
| With that. | ||
| And I was filming a movie in England a few weeks later. | ||
| I said, you can't do that. | ||
| I said, I'm filming a movie. | ||
| And they went, okay, there's another way we can do it. | ||
| It's a little more unconventional. | ||
| We can put oil inside there. | ||
| But then with that, you can fly. | ||
| So I'm like, okay, cool. | ||
| Do that. | ||
| So they did that. | ||
| And yeah, you know, it's... | ||
| And then it redetached, and then I got glaucoma. | ||
| I just had a lot of bad luck. | ||
| I did. | ||
| Whatever can go wrong with an eye, trust me, I went through it. | ||
| But it looks different now. | ||
| Yeah, it does, yeah. | ||
| But it looks better than it looked before. | ||
| It looks great. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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What did you do? | |
| Looks great. | ||
| Don't worry about it, Joe. | ||
| Oh, you don't want to talk about it? | ||
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Okay. | |
| No, no, you're good. | ||
| You're good. | ||
| It's okay. | ||
| It's a corrective lens. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| It's a corrective lens. | ||
| It's a prosthetic. | ||
| So, can you see well out of that eye? | ||
| I see... | ||
| A tiny, tiny, tiny, tiny, tiny bit. | ||
| Oh, really? | ||
| Yeah, so I don't really see out of it. | ||
| And the vision's very blurred. | ||
| I mean, I was able to pass the test. | ||
| To pass, to be able to clear by commission to fight, you've got to have 2200 vision, which I was able to scrape by with the skin of my teeth. | ||
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Wow. | |
| You know, so, and my doctor was always amazed that I could still see to that amount. | ||
| If I squinted in the right direction and I turned here and the light was just right, I could just about make out 2200. Wow. | ||
| But what happens is then, because you're seeing two different images, distorted images, so your brain cancels the distorted one. | ||
| But the depth perception remains the same? | ||
| No, depth perception's a real issue. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, you know. | ||
| It was a... | ||
| Issue throughout my last few fights. | ||
| For me, the main thing, I mean, as I say, you know, I was cleared medically by the doctors and, you know, the UFC were very, very on top of all of that. | ||
| The UFC, you know, sent me to a number of different doctors and whatnot. | ||
| And as I say, I passed the test just, but it was... | ||
| And every time I did, the doctors were like, we don't recommend that you fight, you know. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| 2200 vision, it's still clinically blind. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| So... | ||
| But yeah, there you go. | ||
| That's fucking crazy. | ||
| Yeah, but it never slowed me down. | ||
| It didn't slow you down. | ||
| That's what's crazy. | ||
| A lot of guys would have retired. | ||
| Looking back now, not that I sit there at night and get drunk and watch my old fights. | ||
| I've never done that once. | ||
| But if I ever do see some old fights back, which occasionally just happens by chance, afterwards, I'm always calling for a shot at the belt or whatever. | ||
| I said to my wife, I said, What the fuck was this guy thinking? | ||
| Do you know what I mean? | ||
| He's out of his mind, you know? | ||
| Absolutely out of his mind. | ||
| But at that time, quitting and trying to not become the champion did not even occur to me for a split second. | ||
| Giving up never even occurred to me for a heartbeat. | ||
| Why is that? | ||
| Is this how you've always been? | ||
| Is this something you've cultivated? | ||
| I still felt that I could win it. | ||
| Simple as that, you know? | ||
| But a lot of guys, if they had lost most of the use of one of their eyes, would have been done. | ||
| Yeah, for sure. | ||
| No chance. | ||
| This is not worth it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| No, I know. | ||
| And... | ||
| Probably the smart thing to do would have been one of those guys. | ||
| But for me, you know, it meant a lot to me. | ||
| I wanted to become the champion. | ||
| I knew I could become the champion, contrary to popular belief. | ||
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And... | |
| This is me. | ||
| It was my identity. | ||
| And until I won that belt, I wasn't happy. | ||
| Now, when I won it, my wife said she wanted me to retire. | ||
| When I fought Luke in LA, she said, if you win, I want you to retire. | ||
| I said, babe, if I lose, then I'll retire. | ||
| Okay? | ||
| Because fair enough, I got my title shot. | ||
| You know, it didn't go my way. | ||
| It is what it is. | ||
| I would have had closure on that. | ||
| I said, but if I win... | ||
| You're out of your fucking mind if you think I'm going to retire. | ||
| Come on! | ||
| I'm the champion of the world. | ||
| I've got to milk it for a little bit. | ||
| Finally earned some decent paydays. | ||
| So, yeah. | ||
| But it all worked out. | ||
| Well, the big fight with GSP. Oh, yeah. | ||
| That's why that took place because you had that belt. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, I mean... | ||
| Giant fight. | ||
| George beat me fair and square that night, but there was a lot going on going into that camp. | ||
| The final week, and again, I never said anything at the time because God bless George, and he's a great guy, and I respect the hell out of George. | ||
| I really do. | ||
| How can you not? | ||
| I mean, I know I talked to all that shit leading into the fight, but that was just me having a laugh. | ||
| I was literally having fun with it. | ||
| No really will towards George. | ||
| It seemed like you were enjoying it. | ||
| Yeah, just having fun. | ||
| Just busting balls, you know what I mean? | ||
| I think George is incredible. | ||
| I think George is the consummate professional. | ||
| He's an inspiration to all aspiring martial artists out there. | ||
| If there's one man you can model your career on, the way he trains, the way he looks after his body, the way he cross trains, George St. Pierre would be that man, you know? | ||
| He's an inspiration to myself, you know? | ||
| So, nothing but the greatest of respect. | ||
| But people, as we said at the start of the show... | ||
| That doesn't sell. | ||
| People don't want to see that. | ||
| People don't want to see that. | ||
| So I'll play the bad guy. | ||
| I've been portrayed as the bad guy my entire career, you know, by the UFC, the editing, you know. | ||
| I've fallen foul to some creative editing. | ||
| I've fallen foul to my own mouth as well at times. | ||
| So, you know, come on, you know, I'm my own worst enemy as well. | ||
| The week before the fight. | ||
| Yeah, the week before the fight, I had the best training camp of my life, you know. | ||
| Sounds braggy, but knocking out multiple sparring partners, not on purpose. | ||
| It just felt incredible. | ||
| It felt absolutely incredible. | ||
| Final sparring session, we had MyProtein. | ||
| They'd flown in for a photo shoot. | ||
| There was someone else there for a photo shoot. | ||
| The gym's absolutely packed, and we got some guys in there sparring me. | ||
| And, you know, everybody wants to be the guy. | ||
| That gets the takedown or whatever or gets the submission on the guy. | ||
| That's how it is. | ||
| That's why I don't like going to too many MMA gyms when I was fighting because every time you walk in, you have a target on your back. | ||
| Anyway, it was the final round. | ||
| We've done five rounds. | ||
| It was the Friday before the fight. | ||
| And this guy shoots in, shooting a double leg, runs me all the way across the octagon, like his life depended on it, picked me up, slammed me down, and his shoulders went right into my ribs, and I felt it instantly, just all the cartilage just tore completely. | ||
| And I just started swearing and screaming, because I knew, I knew. | ||
| I went, I saw a doctor and whatnot, and yeah, it wasn't good, so I was... | ||
| I got treatment every day and I was having ice on me and all that type of stuff. | ||
| But it wasn't working, so... | ||
| We came up with this plan. | ||
| I was going to inject myself with lidocaine before the fight, because it will numb you. | ||
| But the problem is, the area where it was... | ||
| Was you can pierce a lung where I have to go in. | ||
| You can pierce a lung and bleed to death. | ||
| Jesus Christ. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So I got this doctor and I was going to, I had the needle, I had the lidocaine and I was going to fucking go in and sneak into the toilet and FaceTime the doctor and he was like, okay. | ||
| And anyway, the whole thing, it was just too on top. | ||
| It was bullshit. | ||
| I was like, fuck this. | ||
| This is the stupidest plan ever. | ||
| Bollocks to it. | ||
| I'll fight with the sore rib. | ||
| A bit of adrenaline and you're not going to feel it anyway. | ||
| Which I didn't on the night. | ||
| But people said, oh, you didn't lock yourself in there. | ||
| You weren't moving too much. | ||
| I said, yeah, no shit. | ||
| I couldn't move. | ||
| But as I say, all credit to George. | ||
| God bless him. | ||
| He did great. | ||
| Was this a sparring partner that you had sparred with regularly? | ||
| No, he came... | ||
| Dean Amasinga, great guy. | ||
| Just came in from England for the last couple of weeks. | ||
| So it was Dean who took you down? | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| I know Dean very well. | ||
| Yeah, you know Dean, yeah. | ||
| Yeah, fucking Dean the prick. | ||
| I love that dude. | ||
| Dean, what the fuck, dude? | ||
| Yeah, no, he's a great guy. | ||
| Dean's awesome. | ||
| He's great. | ||
| Yeah, he's great. | ||
| You know, it's the way it goes. | ||
| You're training and, yeah. | ||
| What are you going to do? | ||
| Fuck. | ||
| So many fights. | ||
| That was Rafael Dos Anjos when he was supposed to fight McGregor. | ||
| Like last round, last sparring, kicks an elbow and breaks his foot. | ||
| Oh, so that's why Diaz came in. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Ah. | |
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| This happened to so many guys. | ||
| It's such a fine line. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because you feel good. | ||
| You've trained so hard. | ||
| You feel great. | ||
| And you think, oh. | ||
| Like your coach will say, okay, let's call it that guys. | ||
| We're good. | ||
| Call it that and you're like, I don't know. | ||
| Come on, let's get one good one in. | ||
| Because sometimes, I normally train a spar Monday, Wednesday, Friday. | ||
| And if the Wednesday spar goes really well, you're like, let's end it there. | ||
| Because you want to end on a really good spar. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Because you feel like a world champion. | ||
| You feel... | ||
| Great. | ||
| You know, you remember how you handled all your sparring partners and whatever good shots you landed and you didn't really take any damage. | ||
| That's a great, that's great momentum to go into the fight with. | ||
| And you don't know if you have another sparring session, it's going to go like that. | ||
| You know, you might be tired, you might be worn down. | ||
| Those guys might be on the game that day. | ||
| And if you get a tough sparring session, well then you want to do one more because you can't go into a fight after getting your ass kicked in a sparring session. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| That's not good karma or energy to go in there with. | ||
| So it's always a weird one. | ||
| It's a fine balancing act, but yeah, there you go. | ||
| When you look back on your career, would you have done anything differently in terms of the way you prepared? | ||
| Yeah, for sure. | ||
| For sure. | ||
| A lot of things, yeah. | ||
| Yeah, you know what I mean? | ||
| Like, if you had a time machine... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| If I could do it all over again, I'd do way more things. | ||
| What would you do? | ||
| Well, one, I wouldn't balloon up in between fights. | ||
| Discipline between fights, you know, I didn't exercise enough of that in between fights. | ||
| Yeah, a little too much, you know. | ||
| These days, I look after my body way more now than when I was fighting. | ||
| It's so fucking... | ||
| Hypocritical, you know. | ||
| It's so silly. | ||
| Now I'm... | ||
| Well, because now, I don't have the luxury of going through a fight camp to get in shape. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| So now I've got to stay in shape. | ||
| Simple as that. | ||
| Whereas in the past, I'm like, yeah, whatever. | ||
| I'll have a pizza. | ||
| I'll have a few beers. | ||
| I'll have a dessert. | ||
| I'll eat whatever I want. | ||
| And then when I'm in training camp, switch it on. | ||
| But it's not good for the body. | ||
| So that would be one. | ||
| Yeah, many things. | ||
| Many things, you know. | ||
| I don't really want to throw anyone under the bus or whatever. | ||
| But yeah. | ||
| Training-wise, yeah. | ||
| There's things that would have changed. | ||
| There was a group of people that I was involved with in England for a while. | ||
| Definitely wouldn't have wasted my time with those fucking assholes. | ||
| Did you get clear of all that legally? | ||
| No, not yet. | ||
| Still going on. | ||
| This Friday, there's another hearing in the courts. | ||
| Lies, Joe. | ||
| Lots of lies. | ||
| But this has been going on for, what, eight years? | ||
| Yeah, something like that. | ||
| Yeah, since 2011. I remember you telling me about this when we were in England together. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That was a long time ago, man. | ||
| It was a very long time ago. | ||
| Yeah, what are you going to do? | ||
| There's a lot of scumbags out there, people that want to take your money, so... | ||
| It's hard for young fighters too when they get contractually obligated to someone that doesn't suit them later in their career but then they start becoming successful and they're still contractually obligated to those people that they started out with. | ||
| It's a very common issue with fighters. | ||
| Yeah, well for me I wasn't contractually obligated. | ||
| I kept my mouth shut. | ||
| I did my five years and moved on but they saw it a different way so they came out with some totally fabricated nonsense about camp bills going back to 2006. They just created invoices and Just totally fabricated an entire case. | ||
| Not a single email, not a single signature, nothing. | ||
| It's laughable that it even got this far, but if you've got brass balls on you and you're willing to stick to a story and talk a lot of shit and lie, you can go a long way, it seems. | ||
| But I don't want to talk about that too much because I'll probably end up getting fucking sued again. | ||
| Have you thought about training fighters? | ||
| I would love to. | ||
| Yeah? | ||
| I really would love to because I feel this was one of my issues as I was a coach, sorry pardon me, as a fighter because believe it or not, you know, I mean I retired at 39 years old and at the time I'd had the most fights in the UFC and you know, whatever. | ||
| Believe it or not, I know a thing or two about how to prepare for a mixed martial arts fight. | ||
| You know, so that was one of my conflicting things always with my coaches. | ||
| Not that I didn't respect them, but I would always kind of feel maybe I should be doing this or should be doing that. | ||
| And that's what I would do a lot of the time. | ||
| I was kind of like the head coach. | ||
| I mean, Jason Prillo was probably the head coach, but I would... | ||
| Like, be the one that did the program. | ||
| I need to work on this. | ||
| I'll see that guy on that day. | ||
| So yeah, I would love to. | ||
| I would love to. | ||
| Right now, I've got a lot of things going on and life is good, so I don't really have the time to dedicate myself to it. | ||
| And actually, I'm kind of enjoying just... | ||
| Well, I'm still working for the UFC doing the fight coverage stuff, but it's enjoyable to be doing something different. | ||
| After being submerged in it, totally submerged for so long, it's refreshing to be doing something else. | ||
| But one day I would love to, for sure. | ||
| Well, you're seeing it with fighters. | ||
| There's some of them that are making those transitions into training. | ||
| And who better to know what it's like to prepare for a fight than someone like yourself who had so many fights in the UFC? I mean, it's almost like that knowledge and experience is almost wasted. | ||
| Or at least the experience of how to prepare kind of goes away if you don't pass it on. | ||
| Because otherwise someone has to go through all the stuff you've been through to learn it. | ||
| Yeah, absolutely, Joe. | ||
| And that's partly why I do want to do that. | ||
| When the time comes, as I say, it wouldn't be fair to anybody right now because I haven't got the time to commit. | ||
| I'm working on some things and hopefully they'll come off and I've got some free time and I can sit on my ass. | ||
| Everyone's always like, oh, congrats on the retirement. | ||
| I'm like, fucking retirement? | ||
| I'm working harder than ever these days. | ||
| Maybe I need to come out of retirement to get some free time back. | ||
| But... | ||
| When the time comes, I would love to do that. | ||
| That is the best case scenario, though, your situation, because you've retired into a very profitable career, whereas there's a lot of fighters, they're lost when it's over. | ||
| They don't know what to do. | ||
| Always scared me. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Always scared me. | ||
| Good for you. | ||
| Good for you for thinking like that. | ||
| It terrified me right from day one. | ||
| So I left school at 16. You know, no education like a fucking idiot. | ||
| That's one of my big regrets in life. | ||
| Small town boy, you know, northwest of England, not a lot going on there. | ||
| Beautiful little town, but, you know, tiny little town. | ||
| Not a lot of opportunity and just fell into a rut, you know, working minimum wage in factories, you know, from seven in the morning till six o'clock at night, just doing mundane, medial shit, you know, and I hated it. | ||
| I hated it. | ||
| I really did, and that's why... | ||
| I became a fighter, ultimately. | ||
| And it was a very well-planned decision. | ||
| You know, the whole story to me coming to do this was, it didn't happen overnight. | ||
| You know, there was steps to it. | ||
| What was your first discipline? | ||
| I started doing Japanese Jiu-Jitsu when I was eight years old. | ||
| And I was obsessed with it. | ||
| So that's how you knew how to clear the sword. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| I was obsessed with Japanese Jiu-Jitsu when I was a kid. | ||
| It's great. | ||
| I was doing... | ||
| See, we didn't know it was MMA back then, but we were fighting MMA. We called it Knockdown Sport Budo. | ||
| If you Google it, you can bring it up. | ||
| You can bring up some of my fights. | ||
| Knockdown Sport Budo. | ||
| Yeah, which is MMA, bare knuckle. | ||
| And we have these international tournaments against men. | ||
| I was about 15, something like that at the time. | ||
| So we do tons of that stuff. | ||
| When I was younger, I was, as I say, obsessed with martial arts. | ||
| Pretty much won every single tournament I ever went in. | ||
| And then on top of that, I was a little shit out and about as well. | ||
| So I was having plenty of fight experience. | ||
| And then, as I say, just dead-end job after dead-end job after dead-end job. | ||
| And I got to a phase in my life. | ||
| I met my wife, Rebecca, and we had kids. | ||
| I was like, is this it? | ||
| Is this all that life is going to be? | ||
| And then my boss at work at the time, Mick, he said to me, mate, you're a pretty intelligent guy. | ||
| Is this what you want to do for the rest of your life? | ||
| And I'm like, fuck no. | ||
| He's like, here we go. | ||
| Here's one of them. | ||
| This is wild. | ||
| This is like some fight club shit. | ||
| I mean, even the seedy, dark-looking background, the weird lighting. | ||
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This is like a scene in a movie. | |
| He walked through fire to get here? | ||
| Oh Jesus, you did walk through fire. | ||
| Actual fire. | ||
| Oh, it looks like smoke and light. | ||
| There's another one actually, which is true to my... | ||
| Scoot ahead on this. | ||
| This is wild, the way you guys are dressed and everything. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I, to this day, think that fights should be held in this sort of a scenario where there's a large open-air place like a basketball court. | ||
| I just feel like the cage is such a factor in fights. | ||
| No, it really is. | ||
| It really is. | ||
| And it allows... | ||
| I mean, you can use the... | ||
| There's one more on there if you can find it, Jamie, which is pretty funny. | ||
| Joel got a good laugh at it. | ||
| And so will everybody else because... | ||
| I guess the early Michael Bisping was on display. | ||
| We bow at each other and I kick him in the face. | ||
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Oh, really? | |
| Right off the bat. | ||
| But, you know, the referee had said fight. | ||
| Yeah, the cage, you can use it as a, you know, it's another weapon. | ||
| You can stall on it, you can lean on it, you can use it to stand up. | ||
| It's a factor. | ||
| It's a huge factor in the UFC. And it's hard to see sometimes. | ||
| If you're in the crowd and you've got a post there and these guys are brawling, you wind up looking at the screens. | ||
| Yeah, no, absolutely you do. | ||
| Me and Lewis on one of our episodes recently, he was saying, you know, usually when I'm front row at the fight, I'm like, hold on a minute. | ||
| When have you ever been front row at the fight for one? | ||
| Because he was saying, I prefer the first riser. | ||
| I'm like, okay, well, that's what everyone says, that they can't get front row tickets, okay? | ||
| You all say, oh, I'd rather be on the first riser, you know, because you haven't got to get a sore neck looking up. | ||
| I said, well, guess what? | ||
| When you're front row, it's fucking cool, okay? | ||
| You can hear the punches, you can see the blood and the sweat. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| If the first riser was good, I'd be doing commentary from there. | ||
| If the first riser was great, that's where all the celebs would watch this. | ||
| Look at this. | ||
| Fight. | ||
| Oh, Jesus Christ. | ||
| That was fine, in my opinion. | ||
| He said fight. | ||
| What is he wearing? | ||
| He's wearing wrestling shoes? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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| The old head scissors, classic. | ||
| There is a video on flow grappling from a recent jiu-jitsu tournament where a guy got a guy on a head scissors to put him to sleep. | ||
| Right, yeah. | ||
| Right from his guard. | ||
| Yeah, well, I won a couple of shitty grappling tournaments. | ||
| With the head scissors? | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| It fucking works, man. | ||
| Yeah, if you can squeeze hard enough, yeah. | ||
| It wasn't, I guess, the best competition, though. | ||
| The guy might have been 55 or something. | ||
| It's still legit, though. | ||
| Yeah, if you get the knees on the right part of the neck and squeeze like a bitch, it hurts. | ||
| And especially if you practice it. | ||
| I feel like the head scissors is something like, look, think about when you're cinching a darse, right? | ||
| Or when you go under for a darse and you clamp ahold of your hands and you pinch down. | ||
| Some guys are expert at that, right? | ||
| Oh, absolutely. | ||
| They develop that sick squeeze, that sick clamp down. | ||
| If you just constantly drill that all the time, you could fuck people up with that. | ||
| Just get better at it. | ||
| Just get better at it. | ||
| Well, you could. | ||
| You could. | ||
| But I don't want to be the guy going for a head scissors in the UFC and everyone's like, fucking basement with his British wrestling. | ||
| Look at him doing a head scissors. | ||
| It's like the women going for the head and arm. | ||
| You know in women's MMA, you try a head and arm. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| As a man, they're gonna take you back and choke you out. | ||
| Simple as that, but yeah. | ||
| Well, Rhonda Rousey and Liz Carmouche. | ||
| She was, Rhonda's thing was always get that headlock and then hip toss, get a girl to the ground, and then, you know, get her in an armbar. | ||
| Why does that work on women, but not men? | ||
| Neck strength, probably. | ||
| Yeah, but their heads and necks are even smaller, so they can slide out of it easier. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| I don't think it really works. | ||
| I think what we saw in the Ronda Rousey fight with Liz Karmouche, Liz Karmouche took her back and almost choked her out from that. | ||
| And if Liz was the Liz of today, she probably would have choked her out. | ||
| She just wasn't quite experienced enough at the time. | ||
| I think the reason why you're seeing it more in women's MMA is because although the level is very high with Valentina Shevchenko and Jacek and Cyborg, the level of the champions is very high. | ||
| There's still the lower levels nowhere near. | ||
| You could watch a guy on an undercard that's fighting on Fight Pass who's a fucking world-class demon in the UFC. He's a man. | ||
| The women, there's way less of them and the competition is not as strong. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, they haven't been doing it as long. | ||
| The talent pool isn't as big. | ||
| Women aren't as interested in it. | ||
| I was just about to say the percentage of men interested in pursuing martial arts and mixed martial arts as opposed to the percentage of women, way lower. | ||
| I don't know what the percentage is of men. | ||
| If we said it's 50 just for the sake of the argument, women it's going to be 5%. | ||
| Yeah, if that. | ||
| If that. | ||
| It's 5% probably men. | ||
| If my wife said, Michael, I'm going to start training because I want to be an MMA fighter, I'd say, pack your bags, get out. | ||
| I'd say, shut the hell up, make me a sandwich, what are you talking about? | ||
| Come on. | ||
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Fucking, you're going to be an MMA fighter, are you? | |
| Imagine watching the mother of your children get head kicked. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| So, my Thai boxing coach, actually, you mentioned Vinny Shorman at the start. | ||
| He used to be in business with Vinny. | ||
| Daz Morris. | ||
| Very, very good friend of mine. | ||
| He was my Thai boxing coach. | ||
| Shout out to Vinny Shorman. | ||
| Shout out to Daz Morris. | ||
| That too. | ||
| His girlfriend, he was cornering his, you know, the mother of his children. | ||
| She was a Thai boxer, Cassie, and shout out Cassie, no disrespect, you know, but to be cornering your loved one, that you're in a relationship, and she got knocked out cold in a Thai boxing fight. | ||
| I was like, wow, Daz, how do you do that? | ||
| And, you know, the mental strength to understand that this is a different relationship, that she's the student and the teacher, and this is just the way it is. | ||
| I mean, that takes a lot. | ||
| I don't think I can do that. | ||
| It's incredible. | ||
| Well, it takes a different kind of woman to want to do that, right? | ||
| That kind of woman. | ||
| I mean, the worst thing I think you could ever do is take a woman who wants to fight and tell her no. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Yeah, because she's going to find a way. | ||
| Like, if you're dating Valentina Shevchenko. | ||
| Well, good luck with that. | ||
| Good luck with that. | ||
| Good luck with that one. | ||
| You're going to get spinning cakes to the midsection. | ||
| To the balls! | ||
| Okay? | ||
| She's a fucking monster, isn't she? | ||
| She's great. | ||
| She's awesome. | ||
| She has one of the quickest spinning back kicks I've ever seen. | ||
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So fast. | |
| There's not too many, and I say this with the greatest respect to women's mixed martial arts, and I respect everybody that applies themselves and is willing to get off a couch and make something of their life. | ||
| So, you know, I'm not being overly judgmental. | ||
| But there isn't too many that I... Really get excited for and that really thoroughly enjoy watching. | ||
| Because as we just said, the level of skill isn't quite there yet. | ||
| As I say, it's nothing to do with genders. | ||
| Why do I want to see a watered down product? | ||
| If I can see these guys doing it at such an extreme level, I don't really want to watch smaller... | ||
| People that can't hit as hard with lesser technique. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| As I say, nothing to do with gender. | ||
| But obviously, there's a few exceptions to the rule. | ||
| Shevchenko, Jan Jacek, Amanda Nunes, Cyborg. | ||
| There's definitely amazing talent out there. | ||
| There really is. | ||
| It's just a smaller pool. | ||
| It's a smaller pool. | ||
| That fight this weekend was sensational. | ||
| Jan Jacek and Valentina. | ||
| That was a very, very high-level fight. | ||
| Oh, it really was. | ||
| It really was, yeah. | ||
| And Jon Jekek impressed me, you know, because she had a, I think it was a tough three rounds, fourth round, you know, she probably might have edged that fourth round, you know, so it's impressive that she still had the fight in her, so late in the fight. | ||
| Valentina's just too strong and too good of a grappler and, yeah, and bigger. | ||
| Physically bigger, like you see her back, the traps, everything. | ||
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You can see it. | |
| When they're against each other, Janjacek's very slim, very slender, and Shevchenko has muscle on her. | ||
| Well, Shevchenko was successful at 135. There you go. | ||
| That's a big gap between 35 and 115, where Janjacek was champ. | ||
| And the reason Janjacek went up to 125 is because she couldn't get her belt back at 115. And I say that with the absolute grace of respect, you know? | ||
| Well, a lot of it was the weight cut was crushing her, and then she didn't have to cut weight for 125, but on the flip side, you're fighting a bigger, stronger woman than Valentina. | ||
| No, exactly. | ||
| If she was fighting another strawweight went up to 125, maybe things would be different, but that was always, on paper, a bad matchup. | ||
| Yes, I agree. | ||
| In my opinion. | ||
| Yeah, it went down the way I thought it was going to go down. | ||
| Yeah, same here. | ||
| There's a lot of fights. | ||
| But the main event, man, the main event was one of those fights where I was like, I don't know. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Max and Ortega, yeah. | ||
| I was like, if Max, if it goes to the ground and Max gets caught up in something, I mean, Ortega's got the nastiest fucking submissions in that featherweight division. | ||
| No, for sure. | ||
| Absolutely, yeah. | ||
| I mean, I didn't know. | ||
| I mean, as I said, I favored Max. | ||
| I thought Max was going to do it. | ||
| I did as well. | ||
| There's just something about Brian Ortega. | ||
| I mean, just looking at him, he looks like a fucking killer. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| And he's big for the division. | ||
| He's calm. | ||
| He has that presence. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| He has just a look on his face that wants to snap your neck off at moments notice. | ||
| He's going to learn. | ||
| He's going to learn from that fight. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| There's a lot going on in that fight to learn from in terms of his movement, in terms of just trying to handle Max's barrage and the pressure that he puts on you. | ||
| Well, he's only young, so that should be a massive motivator for him. | ||
| Because when you go away and you win fights, it's great. | ||
| There's no better feeling than winning fights. | ||
| And I'm telling you this like you don't know, but you know this. | ||
| But when you win in fights, it's great. | ||
| And you go away and you don't really change anything because everything's going good. | ||
| But when you lose, then you're like, okay, shit, I don't want to make a habit of this. | ||
| Was he undefeated? | ||
| I think he was. | ||
| Undefeated, that was his first loss. | ||
| So now he's going to say, okay, what can I do? | ||
| To ensure that I don't start getting more losses. | ||
| He wants to be the champion. | ||
| My first loss was to Rashad Evans. | ||
| And then I remember on the day of the waiting, he was sat in the sauna killing himself, doing his usual thing. | ||
| And the team that I was with that shall remain nameless back then, they all wanted to eat Chinese food. | ||
| So I was trying to order the most healthiest thing in the Chinese restaurant that I could. | ||
| So I was eating noodles and drinking fucking Sprite on the day of the waiting. | ||
| Jesus Christ. | ||
| Because when I was at 205, I didn't cut weight at all. | ||
| So I remember... | ||
| You know, and I still weighed in. | ||
| Another time, when I fought Elvis Sinister, well, back in the day, it was my first fight in Manchester, and I was getting tickets for everybody. | ||
| You know, loving it, really. | ||
| Loving the attention. | ||
| It was my first time, you know what I mean? | ||
| So, yeah, I'll get your tickets. | ||
| Talk about a fucking pain in the ass. | ||
| Pain of the tickets is a pain in the ass. | ||
| Oh, my God, because you've got to get the money off the people. | ||
| Then you've got to get the ticket. | ||
| Then you've got to do the transaction. | ||
| This is day of the fight, you know what I mean? | ||
| I remember being on my knees day of the fight with... | ||
| Hundreds of tickets and cash everywhere. | ||
| I'm like, oh my God, why did I do this? | ||
| Oh no, sorry, it was the day of the Wayne, pardon me. | ||
| Anyway, and I was so stressed out with it and I drove home. | ||
| I thought I'd sleep in my own bed the night before the Wayne, pardon me. | ||
| And I'm driving home and I was so stressed out and I was hungry. | ||
| I hadn't eaten all day because I forgot I was too stressed and I was driving along the freeway. | ||
| I don't really eat Burger King, but I saw the sign for Burger King and I was starving. | ||
| I thought, fuck it. | ||
| So I pull off, and I get a triple Whopper with cheese and bacon, fries and a large Coke. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| And I'm sitting there, and you know the noise that it makes when you get to the bottom? | ||
| That sound, as it went... | ||
| What am I doing? | ||
| I'm fucking waiting in tomorrow! | ||
| Holy shit! | ||
| Because I'm so stressed out with the goddamn tickets, I forgot all about it. | ||
| So I'm like, crap! | ||
| So fortunately, I just stepped on the scale, no problem. | ||
| And with Rashard Evans, same thing. | ||
| I just stepped on the scale. | ||
| So after that, I was like, okay, what can I change? | ||
| Well, I'm not making the sacrifices I could be, you know, to be as successful as possible. | ||
| So that was, you know, move down to the middle of weight. | ||
| And Ortega, you know, he's not going to drop weight. | ||
| He doesn't need to. | ||
| No, he doesn't need to. | ||
| He can work on some things, you know. | ||
| He can learn. | ||
| Simple as that. | ||
| Yeah, he most certainly can. | ||
| I mean, he's got tremendous jiu-jitsu. | ||
| And his boxing is very good as well. | ||
| But, you know, when you experience that kind of a fighter, when you experience that kind of a champion like Max Holloway... | ||
| You understand that there's areas where you're exposed. | ||
| There's areas where you have holes and you have areas where you can't compete with him as successfully as you have been with previous fighters. | ||
| So that's a learning experience and I'm sure he'll be better because of it. | ||
| I would say because of the third round, then yeah, he certainly made it competitive in the third round and landed a couple of good shots. | ||
| Because I was going to say... | ||
| In some circumstances, it doesn't matter. | ||
| You can go away and work your ass off. | ||
| You're never going to beat that guy. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| All the work, all the coaches, spend all the money, dedicate your fucking life, go live in a monastery in fucking China, do whatever you want. | ||
| You're never going to beat that guy. | ||
| But in the third round, he kept him honest. | ||
| He landed some good shots. | ||
| So I wouldn't say that's necessarily applicable. | ||
| But he's certainly going to do some work. | ||
| In the striking department. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| In the striking department, and I'm sure in the wrestling department as well. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| You know, he got him down briefly, but Max did a fantastic job of stuffing it, getting back up to his feet, you know, retaining... | ||
| Yeah, for sure. | ||
| I mean, I don't want to speak out of turn. | ||
| I did find it somewhat curious. | ||
| Is it Henna Gracie? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Henna Gracie giving him the boxing advice in the corner. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I found that somewhat curious. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, when I... Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Elements, you know, they knew their elements in the corner. | ||
| You know, he'd say his bit, boom, you go. | ||
| You know, no disrespect to Henrik Grayson. | ||
| He's done amazing things with Brian Ortega by everything I see online, you know. | ||
| Congratulations, you know. | ||
| But when you're getting outstruck, I don't really want advice from a jiu-jitsu coach. | ||
| Right. | ||
| No, that's a good point. | ||
| It's a very good point. | ||
| You know, it's interesting, like, you had a great situation with Jason Perillo and the other coaches that you worked with, and sometimes a young fighter needs, like, a mastermind, right? | ||
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| You need, like, a Matt Hume or a Firas Zahabi, someone who could put it all together for you, a John Crouch, you know what I mean? | ||
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
| And I was also going to say, and this is probably, well, by all accounts, it is what... | ||
| Henner is to Ortega, a mentor as well. | ||
| It does seem like he's his mentor. | ||
| So for that, maybe I shouldn't have quite said it in the words that I did use. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| It seems like that is his mentor, his father figure, whatever it is. | ||
| So there's a reason why he is there. | ||
| But for sure, bring on an expert in those areas, a specialist. | ||
| It's a crazy world, the world of fights. | ||
| In mixed martial arts, you know, I mean, as I said, there's a lot of fakes. | ||
| There's a lot of that, and there's a lot of... | ||
| It works good now, but then when you fight a world-class fighter, you realize why there was holes in that. | ||
| You'll find out pretty quick. | ||
| You know, when you've got a coach that's never... | ||
| Now, you don't have to have real-life combat experience to be a good coach, but it helps. | ||
| It certainly helps, and it helps the fighter really trust the advice that they're giving you. | ||
| For a fighter to be standing there and telling you to throw combinations. | ||
| Have you ever been in there? | ||
| You ever experienced what it's like to have another guy trying to take your head off every time, and you're going to talk shit to me? | ||
| Did you see the Mike Perry video? | ||
| No. | ||
| Platinum Mike Perry? | ||
| No, I know who Mike Perry is. | ||
| It's a great movie. | ||
| It's a great video of people telling him, like, when you're fighting and the coach is like, go, go, go, go, go. | ||
| He's like, I'm not trying to get fucking hit right now! | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| That's what it is. | ||
| Mike, you know, he's an intense guy and he's talking about it. | ||
| He's like, we're faking, we're faking, we're fainting. | ||
| We're trying to make our way in, but no one wants to make a move because no one wants to get clipped first. | ||
| Yeah, well, I remember, you know, I mean, when I fought Rashard Evans, it wasn't the most action-packed fight. | ||
| And when I watched it back, I was like, fuck. | ||
| Why did I just go for it a little bit more? | ||
| And then I'm like, oh, because I remember. | ||
| Because every time I took a step forward, I felt the wind of the punches nearly taking my head off. | ||
| When you sit, even myself, when you sit and watch, you're like, why are I doing more? | ||
| But then you take yourself back to when you were in there, and you're like, ah, yeah, that was why. | ||
| That was why. | ||
| It's such a tricky situation. | ||
| The fight game evolves. | ||
| The styles evolve and the way guys pursue fights evolves. | ||
| It's really interesting to watch. | ||
| You see a guy like Mighty Mouse who does things different than anybody else and you go, oh... | ||
| Well, look how this motherfucker does it. | ||
| No, for sure. | ||
| It's a sport where you were incredibly fortunate in that you got to not just be there when it was exploding, but you got to be a part of the explosion. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Agreed. | ||
| Yeah, no, absolutely. | ||
| I mean... | ||
| So in 2006, you were in the Ultimate Fighter? | ||
| Yeah, 2005. I flew out. | ||
| It was December 2005. Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Crazy, right? | ||
| Crazy, man. | ||
| It really was. | ||
| It really was. | ||
| It was good times. | ||
| That's when it was just popping. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| I remember when The Ultimate Fighter first came out, and it was on Bravo TV in England. | ||
| Well, same as here. | ||
| And I said to my wife, I was like, check this out. | ||
| And she's like, I can't watch it. | ||
| I'm like, why is it? | ||
| Because if you were on there, you'd win the thing. | ||
| So I don't want to watch it. | ||
| It's not fair, Michael. | ||
| You should be on there. | ||
| And then, lo and behold, you know, about six months later, they were looking for two Englishmen. | ||
| And we went down to Earl's Court for auditions. | ||
| And the great thing was, at that time, I was 10-0. | ||
| I was the cage race champion, cage warriors champion, and FX3 champion. | ||
| As well as the British heavyweight kickboxing champion as well. | ||
| And everyone that was auditioning for the light heavyweight, I knocked them all out in the first round. | ||
| Of course, you know, true to my style, I made Dana fully aware of that. | ||
| But yeah, it was crazy, man. | ||
| I couldn't believe it. | ||
| It was nuts. | ||
| I'd never been to America. | ||
| Next minute, I'm on some fucking reality TV show in a mansion in Las Vegas. | ||
| It was a great time. | ||
| It was. | ||
| It really was. | ||
| What was it like being separated from your family for six weeks and doing that show? | ||
| Very hard. | ||
| Very difficult, of course, but I was there for a reason. | ||
| So I was the greater good. | ||
| I said, yeah, of course, it sucks. | ||
| It sucks being away. | ||
| It sucks missing time, missing birthdays, all that type of stuff. | ||
| But if you're doing it for a reason, then you just got to be mature about it. | ||
| My wife always was. | ||
| The kids understand. | ||
| Yeah, it's not good being away from home, but I'm working on something here. | ||
| You know, trying to set us up. | ||
| Come on. | ||
| Do me a favor. | ||
| Understand, you know? | ||
| Well, it worked out. | ||
| Yeah, they were always great, you know? | ||
| Yeah, it worked out. | ||
| It did. | ||
| It did. | ||
| No regrets. | ||
| I mean, maybe a few. | ||
| Maybe a few. | ||
| Yeah, but you know what, man? | ||
| There's no way to not have them. | ||
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| I mean, there's no perfect path. | ||
| That's one of the crazy things about fighting. | ||
| You zig when you should have zagged, you get hit. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| That's part of the game. | ||
| That really is the sport, you know? | ||
| It's... | ||
| It's such a cliche thing to say. | ||
| So many ways to win and lose. | ||
| But there really is. | ||
| And as you say, you zig when you should have zagged. | ||
| The smaller gloves. | ||
| The takedowns. | ||
| That's the problem. | ||
| When you're fighting a wrestler, it's such a pain in the ass. | ||
| Because I'm a better striker than most of these wrestlers. | ||
| But when they're trying to take you down, it changes everything. | ||
| Because you go out and you're like, okay. | ||
| This motherfucker's just trying to take me down. | ||
| That's all he's trying to do. | ||
| So I'm going to stand there and I'm going to wait for him to shoot and then I'm going to stuff his takedown. | ||
| Because I'm waiting for a takedown, I'm not thinking about the hands and then doosh, then you get caught with a shot. | ||
| You're like, what the fuck? | ||
| You're supposed to be going for a takedown, not punching me in the face. | ||
| And then all of a sudden, your striking's terrible because you're totally thrown off by the wrestling. | ||
| So it's a very, very difficult sport. | ||
| It really is. | ||
| Another one of your most impressive victories was the second fight with Dan Henderson. | ||
| Because you got hit with some fucking bombs in that fight, but you refused to go out. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You refused to be stopped in that fight. | ||
| Yeah, you know what I mean? | ||
| That was a display of willpower in a lot of ways because I remember watching those big shots from Henderson land and... | ||
| I mean, they were on the edge. | ||
| I mean, you were on the edge going out. | ||
| Oh, for sure. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| I mean, I remember he hit me, I went down, he was swarming on me, hit me with some elbows. | ||
| But I remember I was always fine, but I was like, holy shit, that was what hit me there. | ||
| And then I managed to get myself back to my feet and had blood pouring out my face and whatnot. | ||
| Of course, second round, same thing happened. | ||
| He had two big moments in the fight. | ||
| Two big shots, but they were big moments. | ||
| But you don't win a 25-minute fight by landing two shots. | ||
| But they were big shots. | ||
| Fair play to him. | ||
| But, you know, I refused to quit there because... | ||
| Obviously, going into that fight, I talked a bit of shit, like always. | ||
| And you can lie to everybody. | ||
| You can lie to the media, you can lie to the press, you can lie to your family, lie to your coaches. | ||
| Well, it's not necessarily lies, but you can ooze bravado and this and that. | ||
| But you can't lie to yourself. | ||
| When you're led in bed at night and your head's on the cushion, You can't bullshit yourself, you know? | ||
| And day of the fight, because the fight was at six in the morning, day of the fight, I'm laying on my bed trying to just have a nap, because it was going to be a long night, obviously. | ||
| And I couldn't sleep. | ||
| And all I was thinking, human nature, last time I stepped into an octagon with this guy, I was fucking out. | ||
| Cold. | ||
| For a long time. | ||
| My brain was scrambled eggs for a long time after that fight. | ||
| And... | ||
| As I say, you can lie to everybody else, but now the fight was getting close and it's in my hometown and it's my first title defense and all this. | ||
| I'm like, shit, shit. | ||
| I know I'm better than this guy, but fuck, last time. | ||
| Last time didn't end well. | ||
| So I was getting a little worked up. | ||
| And I remember I was at the arena and I was kind of, you know... | ||
| Being a little edgy, a little snappy with people, and there was no need for it, and then I just stopped. | ||
| I started laughing, and Pril, I said, what are you laughing at? | ||
| I said, well, what's the worst that's going to happen if I lose? | ||
| What's the worst? | ||
| I'm going to lose a fight. | ||
| It's happened before, so why am I stressing myself out of it? | ||
| And I just started laughing, and after that, I was fine, but... | ||
| Yeah, I definitely had a sore face the next day after that one, for sure. | ||
| Yeah, but you got through the fire. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| No, I did. | ||
| And I felt great. | ||
| The only problem was in the fifth round, because this cheekbone had swollen. | ||
| It was on my good side. | ||
| It shattered the cheekbone on my good side. | ||
| And it swelled up so much. | ||
| I could hardly see out of that eye. | ||
| This eye's fucked as well. | ||
| So in the fifth round, I'm like... | ||
| Trying to get a certain angle where I could even see the guy, you know what I mean? | ||
| It was a nightmare, you know, but yeah, got the job done, fortunately. | ||
| Is there anything that is on the horizon in terms of medical science that you're looking at in terms of being able to fix your eyes? | ||
| Not that I know of. | ||
| I spoke to doctors about it, you know, because I was... | ||
| Yeah, I was always curious what could be done, but I don't think in my lifetime there is. | ||
| But the reason I retired was at the Gastelum fight because I was cleared to fight and the doctors were always like, we don't really advise it, but you are cleared. | ||
| You've passed the test just by the skin of your teeth. | ||
| And for me, that was all well and good. | ||
| You've got to do your medical. | ||
| The most stressful part of all of that was when you... | ||
| You've got to go do a full training camp now, then fly somewhere, and you're going to see another doctor, a commissioned doctor at the weigh-in. | ||
| Right? | ||
| And you don't know what this doctor is going to be like. | ||
| You don't know if he knows anything about eyes. | ||
| You don't know if he wants to be a hero. | ||
| You don't know if he wants to make fucking press, the guy that pulled the main event. | ||
| Do you know what I mean? | ||
| Very, very stressful time. | ||
| So for me, the fight was always the easy part. | ||
| The hard part was just fucking making it to the octagon. | ||
| And I go to the weigh-ins and I get cleared. | ||
| I was like, The feeling was like, okay, we're good. | ||
| The fight's on. | ||
| Because I didn't know the fight was on until I got past the commission doctor. | ||
| How many different fights did you have to go through like that? | ||
| About 12, something like that. | ||
| 12 fights with eye powers. | ||
| I'm not sure if it's 12, something like that. | ||
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| Belcher, Tim Kennedy, Cungley, Rockhold, CB, Talieslitis, Anderson Silva, Luke Rockhold, Dan Henderson, GSP, Gastelum. | ||
| Eleven fights. | ||
| So that was stressful. | ||
| And then, obviously, I lost the belt. | ||
| And in my mind, I've retired. | ||
| I just hadn't made it formal yet. | ||
| And I was driving out for lunch with my wife and my in-laws. | ||
| They were in town. | ||
| And we heard on SiriusXM Fight Club, the Luke Thomas show, he was talking about Anderson Silva testing positive steroids. | ||
| And they needed a replacement. | ||
| And I said, shall I do it? | ||
| And they were like, what were you talking about? | ||
| So I text Dana right then and there. | ||
| And a week later, I'm on a plane to Shanghai. | ||
| No training. | ||
| I've done anything. | ||
| No training. | ||
| Well, I mean, I trained. | ||
| As soon as I found out about that, you know, I sparred a few times and then got on a plane and went out there. | ||
| And yeah, you know, God bless him. | ||
| He got me. | ||
| But then after the fight, because, you know, as I said, you know, I was clear to fight, but the doctors always said, We don't recommend it because if anything happens to your good eye, you're going to be in a real problem. | ||
| And I was like, well, so many fighters in the UFC have long careers and they don't get detached wetness. | ||
| It's a very... | ||
| Not rare, but it's pretty rare. | ||
| Pretty rare. | ||
| You don't hear about it too much. | ||
| So I'm thinking, okay, well, the lightning's already struck. | ||
| Okay, lightning isn't going to strike twice. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| I'm not that fucking unlucky. | ||
| Anyway, so we have the Gastelum fight, and then we go to an after-party in Shanghai. | ||
| I'm in some club. | ||
| And I'm in the club, and every time I look that way, and it still does it to this day, every time I look that way, tsh, tsh, tsh. | ||
| Like a boat of lightning, like a flash. | ||
| You see it right now when you do that? | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Like, what do you see? | ||
| It's art flash. | ||
| Like someone's taking a picture? | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| And I was in this club, and every time I'm looking, it's doing that, and I start freaking out, because I know, you know, I've got a history of symptoms with eye problems and whatever, and I start telling myself, I don't believe this. | ||
| I've got a detached wedding in my good eye, and I'm freaking out, and I don't want to be in a nightclub around a bunch of fucking dickheads anyway, all drinking. | ||
| I hate nightclubs. | ||
| So I said, oh, I'm just going to go to the toilet and restroom, and I wasn't. | ||
| I was leaving, you know, but I just wanted to be by myself, and I left there and shed a little tear in the taxi. | ||
| I didn't want to be sat in a fucking nightclub crying, because if people see me crying, they're going to be like, oh, he's crying because, bless him, he lost a fight to Gastelum. | ||
| I was like, No, I'm not crying because I lost a fight to Gaston. | ||
| I'm crying because I might be going fucking blind here. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| So I jump in the taxi, I go back to my hotel, and then later on, Perillo and a few guys came back to see if I was okay. | ||
| And, you know... | ||
| Whatever, we just carried on talking and having a few drinks in the room and forgot all about it. | ||
| And, you know, turned into a bit of a messy one in Shanghai. | ||
| Forgot all about my eye. | ||
| And the next thing, I'm on a plane flying home. | ||
| And I'd forgotten all about it. | ||
| I fall asleep on the plane. | ||
| I wake up halfway home, probably flying over the Pacific somewhere. | ||
| The plane's pitch black. | ||
| And then I open my eye. | ||
| It starts doing it again. | ||
| I'm like, shit! | ||
| Because I've forgotten all about it. | ||
| So I'm trying to get on Wi-Fi on the plane, trying to find something about it, trying to Google it, what it could be and all the rest of it. | ||
| The Wi-Fi wouldn't work and I'm going up and I'm trying to beg the air hostess, you know, please, please, I need to get on Wi-Fi. | ||
| I have to. | ||
| I didn't tell her why. | ||
| And she said, no, it's down right now. | ||
| I'm like, oh, fuck. | ||
| Anyway, so I land, I call my eye doctor straight away. | ||
| I tell him, I say, listen, I think I've got a detached wetter in my good eye. | ||
| Why do you say that? | ||
| I tell him the story. | ||
| He says, don't worry, don't worry. | ||
| You know, you'll be okay. | ||
| So I go see an eye doctor the next day. | ||
| And, uh... | ||
| He says, I tell him the issue. | ||
| He says, why do you say that? | ||
| And I tell him why. | ||
| I said, so do you think it's a detached retina? | ||
| He says, well, it certainly sounds like one. | ||
| I'm like, fuck me. | ||
| He says, okay, we're going to put some drops in your eyes. | ||
| Everything's going to go blurry. | ||
| And I only see a tiny bit out of this eye. | ||
| And I'm like, oh, I make a stupid joke as my defense mechanism. | ||
| I'm like, oh, I guess I better get used to this view, eh? | ||
| And the doctor's like, well, we don't know that just yet. | ||
| And I'm like, fuck me. | ||
| Do you know what I mean? | ||
| That's not the answer I was expecting. | ||
| Anyway, turns out, didn't have a detached retina. | ||
| I had a partial vitreous detachment. | ||
| So you have your cornea here, your retina at the back, and in between what's called vitreous fluid, millions of fibers connect to the retina to send a message, I think. | ||
| If I'm getting it wrong, I'm sorry, doctors. | ||
| And in your 60s, that just slides off the retina and detaches naturally. | ||
| Maybe in your 60s, 70s, who knows. | ||
| But as you get older through old age, it just slides off. | ||
| It can detach due to trauma. | ||
| So that's what happened to me. | ||
| But it had partially detached. | ||
| But the problem was when these fibers are pulling, they can cause the retina to tear. | ||
| So they were like, well, we need to keep an eye on this and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. | ||
| So anyway, long story short, after that, I thought, fuck this. | ||
| Ain't worth it. | ||
| And have they done anything to the eye sense? | ||
| No. | ||
| There's nothing to be done. | ||
| There's nothing to be done. | ||
| Nothing can be done. | ||
| No, yeah, and they're fine with it. | ||
| They're happy with it. | ||
| It's okay. | ||
| But for me, it was a step too far. | ||
| I pushed it as far as I was willing to push. | ||
| In fact, I'm a liar. | ||
| I was supposed to fight Rashard in London earlier this year, but we couldn't agree on the deal terms with the UFC if I never materialized. | ||
| And I was flying up to New York to do my podcast with Lewis and on the plane I'm watching this movie called The Journeyman and it's Paddy Considine, it's about a boxer who's a world champion and at the end of it he wins the fight and then he has severe brain damage and It's a very, very sad movie. | ||
| You should check it out. | ||
| It's really, really powerful. | ||
| Very, very good. | ||
| Anyway, I watched that and I thought, that's it. | ||
| I'm done. | ||
| That was what did it? | ||
| That was it. | ||
| So I got off the plane. | ||
| We started our podcast. | ||
| I said, boom, I've got an announcement. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| Over. | ||
| Good for you. | ||
| It was the best decision I ever made. | ||
| You know, I've been very, very happy ever since. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, you have options. | ||
| I mean, you had a long, great career. | ||
| You have options. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, as I say, no regrets, you know, I mean, it was a wonderful ride. | ||
| I loved it. | ||
| I never thought a young kid doing martial arts and, you know, a guy that just liked to have a scrap when he was a kid could take it this far. | ||
| And that's the beautiful thing about the UFC these days. | ||
| You know, if you're of that certain mindset, that certain character, you like a bit of rough and tumble, you don't mind getting a punch in the face here and there and you're willing to go for it. | ||
| You can make a living. | ||
| When I was younger, I used to do a lot of professional kickboxing, but I never looked at it as a career, because it wasn't back then. | ||
| But now, it's great. | ||
| It really is a career, a viable career. | ||
| Well, especially for a guy like you who's a good talker, who understands how to break fights down and you can make this transition. | ||
| It's one of the things that I really like about the UFC. They've allowed these fighters, like, you know, I do a lot of commentary now with Paul Felder and Daniel Cormier, Dominic Cruz, and they've given these guys these options. | ||
| It's great. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| As I was saying before, but that was one of the things that scared me as well as a kid because... | ||
| You go in gyms all over the world and you see amazing talent everywhere. | ||
| Amazing talent and... | ||
| You know, they're sleeping in the cars or they're sleeping on a couch at someone's friend's house, you know, and they're struggling to pay the bills and they're driving a shitty, beat-up piece of shit, you know, and it's a shame. | ||
| And I see them and my heart goes out to them. | ||
| And for whatever reason, they don't get the brakes, they don't look right, they can't put it together on Friday night, the nerves get the better of them, who knows what it is, but they just don't make it. | ||
| You know, and fighting such a cruel, vicious sport. | ||
| It really is. | ||
| So that's why when people... | ||
| I get asked all the time, do you want your son to do it? | ||
| I'm like, well, no, not really. | ||
| The way I see it, I fought so he doesn't have to. | ||
| But if he wants to, he's the number four ranked wrestler in California. | ||
| I've seen the videos. | ||
| He's a beast. | ||
| He's a beast. | ||
| If he wanted to, of course I'll support him. | ||
| My father supported me ridiculously. | ||
| If it wasn't for my father, I wouldn't be here either. | ||
| But I wouldn't wish it on him. | ||
| I wouldn't wish the life of a fighter on anybody because it's so unpredictable. | ||
| And just because you're good and just because you can take a punch and just because you're an animal in there doesn't mean you're going to be a success. | ||
| It's going to be the perfect storm. | ||
| What I tell young fighters is... | ||
| When they say, I'm thinking about trying MMA, I go, don't do it. | ||
| If you're thinking about it, don't do it. | ||
| If you tell me you're obsessed with it and you want to be a world champion, then I say, go ahead. | ||
| Sure, absolutely. | ||
| Give it a chance. | ||
| But if you're not obsessed, there's some motherfuckers out there that are living it 24-7 all day long. | ||
| Oh, for sure. | ||
| And this is a thing, you see a lot of young fighters now, they're obsessed with the image. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Because it's on TV, it's cool, and it's got a lot of popularity now. | ||
| So a lot of people want to do it. | ||
| As I say, there's pretenders in coaches, and there's pretenders in fighters as well. | ||
| A lot of people, you know... | ||
| They want to be Conor McGregor, they want to be Chuck Liddell or whatever, and they're all fucking wearing tap hat and having mohawks and stuff. | ||
| Do you know what I mean? | ||
| And they're talking about, oh, for this camp, I'm going to bring in this guy. | ||
| It's a fucking camp. | ||
| You don't have training camps at the start of your career. | ||
| At the start of your career, you train Monday to Friday. | ||
| You have a fight at the weekend. | ||
| If you win, you're back in the gym fucking Monday. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| You fight every few weeks. | ||
| When I was starting, I think I had six fights in the first year, probably five kickboxing fights. | ||
| You're trying to build momentum. | ||
| You're not doing camps. | ||
| I don't want to hear any young fighter saying to me, for this camp, I'm focusing on my wrestling. | ||
| He's like, shut the fuck up. | ||
| You've had two amateur fights. | ||
| You're not doing a training camp, buddy. | ||
| You're training. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| You know? | ||
| Yeah, for sure. | ||
| Well, listen, Mike, thanks for doing this, man. | ||
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My pleasure. | |
| I'm glad we did it and we can do it again anytime you'd like. | ||
| Tell everybody about your podcast with Luis Gomez. | ||
| Shout out to Luis. | ||
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
| Big shout out to Luis. | ||
| I think he's listening. | ||
| Hilarious guy. | ||
| Oh, hilarious. | ||
| Absolutely hilarious. | ||
| Believe you, mate. | ||
| iTunes, all that jazz. | ||
| All that shit. | ||
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YouTube. | |
| Is it YouTube as well? | ||
| Yeah, YouTube on there. | ||
| Michael Bisping Podcast or Believe You Me Podcast. | ||
| iTunes, all that crap. | ||
| Check it out. | ||
| Or don't, you know. | ||
| Couldn't give a fuck. | ||
| If you like it, if you like what I've said for the last hour or two, check it out. | ||
| If not, kiss my ass. | ||
| Thank you, brother. | ||
| Right on, Joe. | ||
| Thank you. |
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