Oct. 19, 2010 - The Joe Rogan Experience
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| Here we go. | ||
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| Boom. | ||
| And we're live. | ||
| Hello, Miriam. | ||
| Hi, Joe. | ||
| Good to see you. | ||
| Grab this mic and keep it like a fist from your face. | ||
| That's a good reference point. | ||
| Is this good? | ||
| Perfect. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Perfect. | ||
| Does it look like that? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Good to see you. | ||
| It's so good to see you. | ||
| I'm sad that you can't sell these snacks everywhere because I know you're working on making these mass-produced, but they're fucking fantastic. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| They're very good. | ||
| When did you first give me some of these? | ||
| Like five years ago or some shit? | ||
| 2014. Something like that? | ||
| Yeah, my knee blew out. | ||
| I just had surgery and I needed something to do. | ||
| That was knee number one. | ||
| It was the second one. | ||
| That was the second one. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I've had two more since. | ||
| So I've had four total. | ||
| The life of a world champion Muay Thai kickboxer is not an easy one. | ||
| No, it actually started when I started grappling. | ||
| That's when it started blowing your knee out? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Yeah, no. | ||
| Muay Thai was fine. | ||
| I got cracked ribs. | ||
| I got cut. | ||
| I got maybe concussions. | ||
| Maybe concussions? | ||
| Really bad. | ||
| Like, broke my elbow on somebody's head. | ||
| Oh. | ||
| Yeah, but no knee stuff. | ||
| It was MMA. Jiu-jitsu. | ||
| Yeah, wrestling and jiu-jitsu are rough on the knees. | ||
| I think this motion, I'm not awesome on the cartilage. | ||
| It's like a weird motion. | ||
| You mean like hip stuff? | ||
| Knees, when you do like that with your... | ||
| Mm-hmm. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So like on your back, like working your guard, that kind of thing? | ||
| That's what you think? | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Well, I just, yeah, and 20 years of use on this body. | ||
| Mm. | ||
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unidentified
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Yeah. | |
| Well, it does put, it puts weight in weird ways on your knees, too. | ||
| Like someone's trying to pass your guard and they're moving your ankles around stuff. | ||
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You have to swivel. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| You have to swivel with their weight and their violence directed at you. | ||
| So, yeah. | ||
| I saw you getting a bunch of fluid on Instagram shot into there. | ||
| What is that all about? | ||
| I think it was like OrthoVisc. | ||
| What is that? | ||
| It did not help. | ||
| No? | ||
| That was a waste of money. | ||
| It was like a gooey fluid. | ||
| Yeah, it was like padding. | ||
| Oh, is that what the idea is? | ||
| But what was really nice was I got a straight shot of ibuprofen in there. | ||
| That felt amazing. | ||
| Yeah, like three months worth of ibuprofen just shot it right in there. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That shit is so bad for you though. | ||
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Is it? | |
| It felt really good. | ||
| Yeah, I tell everybody, stay the fuck away from ibuprofen. | ||
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Really? | |
| Yeah, Dr. Rhonda Patrick is the first person that alerted me to it, the increased risk of strokes and heart attack. | ||
| And then my friend Cam Haynes, who's an ultramarathon runner, he was taking 800 milligrams a day, every day. | ||
| Okay, for how long? | ||
| Forever. | ||
| That's a lot. | ||
| That's a lot. | ||
| That's different. | ||
| It is different. | ||
| I just got one super shot. | ||
| Well, he basically runs almost a marathon a day. | ||
| Yeah, that's crazy. | ||
| Yeah, because he runs these 240-mile races. | ||
| So he was having these serious pains. | ||
| He's like, I need it to get going. | ||
| So I told him about all the heart attack stuff and the stroke stuff. | ||
| He's like, fuck. | ||
| So he gets off of it. | ||
| All of his inflammation relaxes and calms down. | ||
| Turns out what was going on was the ibuprofen severely upsets your gut bacteria. | ||
| And so when that happens, it causes systemic inflammation, which you then treat with ibuprofen. | ||
| So he takes out the ibuprofen, all the gut problems go away, all the inflammation goes away, all his hip pains, knee pains, all that shit went away, which is crazy. | ||
| I think ibuprofen is great if you do it every, just rarely. | ||
| Something's going on, you need... | ||
| What I noticed when he shot that into my knee, within the next week, over the course of a couple days, I noticed that I had greater range of motion. | ||
| So what it made me realize was, oh, I had a little inflammation in there. | ||
| Because I kept thinking, is it the tissue tight? | ||
| Is this homeboy shooting? | ||
| What is he shooting in here, this video? | ||
| Orthopisc. | ||
| This is that stuff that didn't work. | ||
| With no gloves on. | ||
| Yeah, wait, what's that about? | ||
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Everybody's always commenting about that. | |
| Yeah, aren't you supposed to have gloves on? | ||
| What kind of fucking doctor is this? | ||
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Where were you? | |
| In a garage somewhere? | ||
| In a free clinic. | ||
| Yo, look at you. | ||
| So, what is that OrthoVisc stuff supposed to do? | ||
| It's supposed to, like, give it padding. | ||
| Yeah, it didn't really help. | ||
| It was a waste of money and time. | ||
| How much did that shit cost? | ||
| I think it was, like, $200 or $220 a shot, and I got three of them. | ||
| Maybe it's for, like, regular people. | ||
| Maybe it would work for regular people, not for people that are throwing a lot of kicks. | ||
| The kicks don't bother me. | ||
| I bet it is in the kicks, right? | ||
| I think about that, like, it is grappling, right? | ||
| That is the thing that puts the most wear on your... | ||
| If you talk, like, you meet, like, old kickboxers. | ||
| I mean, some of them have brain damage, for sure. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But their bodies aren't as broken down as old grapplers. | ||
| No, they might be hobbling a little bit. | ||
| Their toes might kind of... | ||
| You see Rob? | ||
| Rob came in, remember him? | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Yeah, his toes were like... | ||
| Rob's foot looked like he jumped into a pool that was empty and landed on his big toe. | ||
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Yeah, all of them. | |
| But when you're a guy like Rob has been kicking shins and elbows for so long, he's amazing. | ||
| It sucks. | ||
| It hurts my heart that he missed the curve. | ||
| He missed the fame wave. | ||
| Yeah, because he's brilliant. | ||
| He's fucking brilliant. | ||
| He really is. | ||
| And he helped a lot of fighters, too. | ||
| I mean, he was a big part of Brennan Vera's early success. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And that's when I was training with him, back in the old Bomb Squad days. | ||
| And he was working with a lot of kickboxers, and people were starting to catch on to his whole system. | ||
| I couldn't even... | ||
| I got to work with him, and I couldn't... | ||
| At the time, I was so... | ||
| Green as a fighter, or just as a martial artist, that I couldn't comprehend what he was trying to show me and tell me. | ||
| He's like, no, you're going to have programmed counters to the counters. | ||
| And he was trying to dial me in, program me in, and I couldn't keep up with him. | ||
| At the time, I wasn't at that level. | ||
| Well, you know what the difference is? | ||
| Some people just use athleticism and timing, and they just try to be creative. | ||
| What he does is he has a full system of what to do in varying positions and what to do depending upon your opponent's reaction. | ||
| But then on top of that, there's also creativity. | ||
| Mm-hmm. | ||
| Which is... | ||
| And savagery. | ||
| Oh yeah, he's a savage motherfucker. | ||
| Yeah, he's very savage. | ||
| His highlight reel, pull up Rob Kamen's highlight reel. | ||
| I mean, he knocked out... | ||
| And that porn stash. | ||
| Back in the Disney, right? | ||
| Yeah, the porn stash. | ||
| That's thin Rob Kamen. | ||
| It's really incredible when you think about how many great fighters came out of Holland. | ||
| And kickboxers in particular. | ||
| It's just one small country. | ||
| And here it is right here. | ||
| Get to see some of it. | ||
| Look at Rob Kamen pulling up in a motorcycle. | ||
| Sexy bitch. | ||
| So stoic too. | ||
| He looks so angry. | ||
| Well, back in the day he was, which is really interesting if you know him now because he's so friendly and huggy. | ||
| He's like a big fluffy dog. | ||
| Yeah, he's a fascinating guy. | ||
| He really is. | ||
| But his knowledge of kickboxing is just so fucking tremendous. | ||
| I love how he's sitting down on his punches like a boxer and like shifting his weight. | ||
| Because I don't see a lot of kickboxers that do that well. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They're still here, and then they rotate, rotate, but he's really kind of getting in here, like a boxer more. | ||
| Do you think that's because when you do dig down, you're sort of compromising your ability to throw kicks for a brief moment? | ||
| Because you're really digging in? | ||
| But he knows when to do it, too. | ||
| It's his fight IQ, right? | ||
| Yeah, it's knowing when to do it, and it's also... | ||
| My pet peeve with Muay Thai. | ||
| Look at him. | ||
| My pet peeve with Muay Thai is when they throw punches, they kind of come up. | ||
| It's like very triumphant looking, isn't it? | ||
| And it's like, that doesn't make any fucking sense. | ||
| Because you won't punch with power. | ||
| Not the same power. | ||
| And you can't get out of the way. | ||
| Why do you think they do that? | ||
| I just think they weren't taught well. | ||
| I wasn't. | ||
| I just recently started changing my style. | ||
| But when you kick, you're up. | ||
| You kind of come up into the kick. | ||
| You raise up and then try to punch in that way. | ||
| And I really feel like just with mixed martial arts, when you are doing wrestling, you have to be respectful that you're doing MMA fight, but kind of embody that. | ||
| You know, that wrestling technique. | ||
| When you're punching, you gotta embody that punching technique. | ||
| When you're kicking, you gotta embody that kicking technique. | ||
| Same with jiu-jitsu. | ||
| Like, you wouldn't stand as a Muay Thai fighter if you're doing a wrestling move in an MMA fight. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| And I think with Muay Thai fighters, they don't understand that. | ||
| It's like when you're punching, you need to kind of sit down and rotate. | ||
| You gotta hotate, I like to say. | ||
| Hotate? | ||
| Hotation. | ||
| Gotta have good hotation. | ||
| And then when they kick, they gotta come up. | ||
| When they knee, they gotta come up. | ||
| You know, it's different. | ||
| And they don't make that distinction, and then they don't produce, they don't optimize on their body and the power that they could produce. | ||
| That's always been a big issue with MMA, is fighters trying to figure out exactly how to position themselves and how to move, and then all the variables, right? | ||
| How many different ways there are to do it really successfully. | ||
| Like, you see how Conor McGregor stands. | ||
| Wide stands, kind of sideways. | ||
| He stands almost like a karate guy. | ||
| He's built it around his strong weapons. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Whereas different guys have, you know, different ways of doing, like, you know, Daniel Cormier, very different style. | ||
| You know, hands up high, moves forward, you know, a lot of bobbing and weaving. | ||
| He's much more like a boxer. | ||
| He doesn't really give a fuck if you get your hands on him, though. | ||
| No. | ||
| Where Connor does. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Where Connor's like, can you stay away from this? | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Can you stay away? | ||
| And his is more like, come at me, bitch. | ||
| Yeah, grab me, bitch. | ||
| Like, I'm going to come and get you. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| So it's different. | ||
| Yeah, it is. | ||
| But it's fascinating also how a lot of people that come from certain backgrounds, like even wrestlers who come from a wrestling background, they have to alter their own wrestling style for MMA. | ||
| Like a lot of wrestlers, specifically guys who stand in an orthodox position when they're but if they were a right-handed wrestler, a lot of times they'd be standing in softball. | ||
| And they'd be shooting with the right leg forward. | ||
| Judo, too. | ||
| It's a lot of weird... | ||
| MMA is such a different thing. | ||
| It's so different. | ||
| It's where all the pieces come together, and some of them don't line up that good. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| I think the best people are the ones that can make it line up. | ||
| Sure, yeah. | ||
| With the most fluidity. | ||
| When you see, particularly you, because you're a world champion Muay Thai fighter, and when you see the level of stand-up in MMA, for sure now, with women, it's the highest it's ever been, right? | ||
| Like, right around now? | ||
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Mm-hmm. | |
| But it's still not quite the level that you would see in, like, championship Muay Thai, except for girls like Valentina and Joanna. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| She's amazing. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Cyborg, of course, is very scary. | ||
| I take... | ||
| Yeah, she is. | ||
| She's so nice. | ||
| Super nice, right? | ||
| Sorry. | ||
| Close here? | ||
| Yeah, you can move it around. | ||
| Oh, there we go. | ||
| There you go. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Yeah, have you met her? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Have you, like, really? | ||
| I feel bad for making fun of her. | ||
| I've made fun of her before. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| She's very nice. | ||
| She's so nice. | ||
| She's just got, like, this really tender soul or heart, you know, which is funny. | ||
| Which seems genuine. | ||
| Yeah, very genuine. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Very, very genuine. | ||
| You see her smashing people. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, that's genuine, too. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So whatever it is, it's 100%. | ||
| And there's something really rare and so powerful. | ||
| Because people aren't 100%. | ||
| They aren't 100% fully heartbroken, wide open, soft. | ||
| And then they're not 100% violent. | ||
| And she's just like 100%. | ||
| So cool about her. | ||
| Yeah, that's interesting, right? | ||
| When she fights, she's 100% committed and violent. | ||
| And that's something that you see in a lot of champions. | ||
| There's an ability to be a really nice person and then a terrible person. | ||
| Not even a terrible person, a furious competitor. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| When you first started fighting, did you just find that inside of you? | ||
| Did you know it was always there? | ||
| Because you're a person that, if I had to explain to you, you're very energetic and fun-loving. | ||
| You're a very nice person. | ||
| Skipping around your studio. | ||
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You're fun. | |
| You're a fun person. | ||
| We probably met in like... | ||
| I want to say it was 2003. It was the Bomb Squad days. | ||
| I was about 28. Yeah, back in the... | ||
| And I'm 42. The Dizzy, right? | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| But you've always been like that, but then when I've seen you fight... | ||
| This is a different Miriam. | ||
| When Miriam comes to fight, it's like, oh, she's got a little switch in there. | ||
| You hit a switch, and then you become a different person. | ||
| It's not just that you're a competitor. | ||
| You become super hyper-focused and aware and ruthlessly aggressive. | ||
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Did you know that was always in you? | |
| Before you fought? | ||
| I always knew that I would always have trouble with girlfriends. | ||
| And I don't mean like dating. | ||
| I mean like trying to have a girl that's a friend when I was younger because I would hurt them. | ||
| You'd hurt them physically? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Accidentally? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, what do you mean? | ||
| Like, I was wrestling around with this one woman. | ||
| I was like, yay, we're going to be friends. | ||
| We're like the same height. | ||
| And we're wrestling around, playing around. | ||
| We were, like, partying in Vegas. | ||
| And we're wrestling, and I wrapped my legs around her ribcage and squeezed and cracked something in there. | ||
| Oh, wow. | ||
| Where were you? | ||
| You were on the ground? | ||
| We went to like Utopia, and then we went to this after party afterwards. | ||
| And you were drunk? | ||
| I was like in my 20s, drunk or whatever, you know? | ||
| Or whatever. | ||
| Or whatever. | ||
| And she was my size, so I thought, you know, she wanted to wrestle too, so I was like, okay, I'll wrestle too, and yeah, I cracked something in there, and she didn't want to be my friend anymore. | ||
| She was mad at you? | ||
| Yeah, I was really sad. | ||
| Oh. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, you probably got off light. | ||
| Anybody gets upset that, you know... | ||
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Yeah. | |
| It's not like you meant to hurt her. | ||
| No. | ||
| But I'd be pretty... | ||
| Why the fuck... | ||
| That is a weird thing that people do, right? | ||
| I mean, I've seen guys do it and girls do it. | ||
| Where they start play wrestling, but they have no fucking idea what they're doing. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And then they hurt themselves. | ||
| And they bite off more than they could, too. | ||
| Well, it's a common thing for whatever reason. | ||
| People get a little drunk or whatever, and then they want to wrestle. | ||
| So what I used to do is I used to let people play around with me, and then I ended up getting stabbed in the eyes. | ||
| Oh, with fingers? | ||
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unidentified
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Uh-huh. | |
| Oh. | ||
| Yeah, so now I don't... | ||
| I'm like, alright, cool. | ||
| That's the number one problem. | ||
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I don't want to play with you anymore at MMA. For sure. | |
| They're fucking close. | ||
| I fucking hate it. | ||
| There's so many guys. | ||
| Look at Michael Bisping. | ||
| He has one eye that's completely fucked up. | ||
| He's got oil in his eye. | ||
| They should penalize higher for that. | ||
| 100%. | ||
| Yeah, I think that the behavior would decrease... | ||
| I think so, too. | ||
| I think one point. | ||
| I think one point for a nut shot and one point for an eye poke. | ||
| Just period. | ||
| You didn't mean to do it? | ||
| That's great. | ||
| But you did it. | ||
| Well, for the second nut shot. | ||
| No. | ||
| First nut shot. | ||
| Really? | ||
| First nut shot, first eye poke. | ||
| Because I don't have nuts. | ||
| So I'm a little bit more lenient on that one. | ||
| I'm like, eh, well, whatever. | ||
| Well, Brian Foster is a dude who fought for the UFC back in the day. | ||
| He lost a nut. | ||
| That's not funny. | ||
| How dare you? | ||
| I knew somebody. | ||
| Okay, so... | ||
| So it reminded me of this guy that was at the old Fairtex Clementina when Alex Gaughan was there. | ||
| So the rumor had it that he had one ball. | ||
| And he was kind of grumpy. | ||
| And sort of like insecure. | ||
| Because he only had one ball? | ||
| Yeah, I guess so. | ||
| So I just thought of him and it just made me laugh. | ||
| You just laughed? | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So it's not just balls in general. | ||
| No, but that would be super painful to lose one of those. | ||
| Apparently what happened with him is he was sparring and one last round decided not to wear his cup and went out there and slambo took one right on the sack and burst. | ||
| He's still fighting. | ||
| I saw him on a smaller, one of those, you know, like AXS TV fights. | ||
| It reminds me of like a breast implant. | ||
| It's ruptured. | ||
| Oh, that's so much worse than a breast implant. | ||
| It's all over the place. | ||
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If a breast implant helped you be a woman. | |
| It would be like if a breast implant helped you be a woman. | ||
| Because that's like the sack that produces your testosterone. | ||
| What a stupid design. | ||
| He has half less. | ||
| Yeah, well, another buddy of mine lost one to cancer. | ||
| And he just impregnated his lady. | ||
| So it still works. | ||
| To you, Duncan. | ||
| To Duncan. | ||
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unidentified
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That's awesome. | |
| Yeah, but... | ||
| We're talking about getting kicked in the balls. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| One point. | ||
| Just one point for eye pokes. | ||
| One point for ball shots. | ||
| Just take a point away. | ||
| Every time. | ||
| I think that would be giant. | ||
| I think that's fair. | ||
| It would fucking help. | ||
| There's so many people doing this. | ||
| The thing is, a good eye poke will change the fight. | ||
| 100%. | ||
| It can sway the fight one way or the other. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And people, they've gotten poked in the eye. | ||
| The ref lets it continue. | ||
| And then they get fucked up. | ||
| And then they lose. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| A fight that they were winning. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Yeah, that's terrible. | ||
| It's terrible. | ||
| It's a huge swing. | ||
| I think one point, absolutely, and I think there should be a better way to determine whether or not a guy's eyes have been compromised by that eye poke. | ||
| And sometimes it's not within the... | ||
| I mean, everybody wants to see the fight continue, but if you really had to think about it, like if this guy really can only see out of one eye... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's not right. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Especially when it wasn't their fault. | ||
| But it's also such a fucking shit design. | ||
| All your fingers are just out there. | ||
| Maybe they should just curve them more. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like the same design just curved. | ||
| Like when you have a good hand wrap, like when they wrap your hands for the fight, when it's a good one, they just sit like this. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Like your hands just sit there. | ||
| So they're just already ready to, you know, it's perfect. | ||
| Well, there's someone that I know that's working closely with the UFC that's working on new design that I think is going to be far superior. | ||
| But still, the fingers are exposed. | ||
| I think almost like the fingers should be covered. | ||
| How are they going to grab them? | ||
| I think you cover it like a bag glove. | ||
| You know how bag gloves, like those old school Everlast bag gloves? | ||
| That would be amazing for me. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| For a grappler, I don't think they'd like that. | ||
| But I think it'd be good for a grappler, too. | ||
| If I had a grappler with bag gloves on, I don't think I'd have a problem with it. | ||
| The real problem is... | ||
| To grab the... | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| You know, like a wrestler? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I think the real... | ||
| I think it'd give you more traction, honestly. | ||
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Really? | |
| The real problem is the pad on the knuckle, like when you're going behind the neck, when you're choking. | ||
| It's very hard to get that fucker behind the neck. | ||
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He really thought of it. | |
| With all that padding. | ||
| It is. | ||
| It's hard. | ||
| I've grappled with, you know, I've never had an MMA fight, but I had grappled quite a bit with gloves. | ||
| What are these? | ||
| Those are the sparring ones. | ||
| It's typed in grappling gloves and something like that. | ||
| Yeah, those are just a little bit more padding. | ||
| But those, yeah, I mean, that's a little bit better. | ||
| Pride gloves are better, honestly. | ||
| Quite honestly. | ||
| Pride gloves really had much more curve to them. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And there was very few eye pokes in Pride. | ||
| I won't even fuck with a boxing glove that doesn't curve. | ||
| If I have to make a fist inside the glove, I'm not going to deal with that. | ||
| That looks good. | ||
| Someone had observed this a long time ago. | ||
| Look at the UFC gloves on the right and the Pride gloves on the left. | ||
| The Pride glove is your hands curved. | ||
| So that's a Pride glove? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's a way better glove. | ||
| It's a way better glove. | ||
| And the back of your hand is like padded in a weird spot. | ||
| I don't know why they pad right here, like right above the wrist. | ||
| Where, wait, wait, wait. | ||
| Scope, make that, like right there. | ||
| The one, that one. | ||
| You know, though, if you did a spinning back fist and you hit, these are little bones. | ||
| Yeah, they do break. | ||
| But most of the time you're doing that, you're hardly ever doing it like a back fist. | ||
| You're kind of doing it like a hammer fist. | ||
| And then the real thing that's happening with a lot of fighters is they're hitting foreheads. | ||
| Snapping arms. | ||
| That's the one punch. | ||
| Paul Felder just did that. | ||
| If you hit me with it, I'll fucking... | ||
| You get mad? | ||
| I get so mad. | ||
| Why do you get mad? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
|
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It's just bullshit. | |
| It's just bullshit. | ||
| Why is it bullshit? | ||
| It's a fucking bullshit ass. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| It's a bullshit move? | ||
| It's just bullshit. | ||
| Some people have moves that they feel are bullshit moves. | ||
| Yeah, that's why I'm just offended. | ||
| Like if somebody axe kicked you. | ||
| No, I don't care. | ||
| That wouldn't be bullshit? | ||
| No, if they push kicked me in the face, I wouldn't care. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| I'd be like, alright. | ||
| But a spinning back fist? | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| Bullshit. | ||
| I'm offended. | ||
| But it's so good. | ||
| It's such a good technique, though. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I have some fucking cornball about that. | ||
| Okay, what about spinning elbows, though? | ||
| Yells are awesome. | ||
|
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Oh, that doesn't make any sense. | |
| And I'm not great at them. | ||
| That doesn't make any sense. | ||
| I know, I know. | ||
| I contradict myself. | ||
| It doesn't have to. | ||
| It doesn't have to make sense, right? | ||
| Yeah, there's... | ||
| It is weird, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, I mean, I think they should allow spinning back fists in boxing. | ||
| Make boxing way more interesting. | ||
| Can you imagine? | ||
| How everybody would be so cocky, you know? | ||
|
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Oh my god. | |
| So many guys would think they're safe. | ||
| Do you know how mad the boxing fans would be? | ||
| How many guys would get flatlined? | ||
| How many guys who don't know what the fuck to do about it? | ||
| Your standard fucking spin! | ||
| And Superman punches? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, Superman punches, I think, are legal, right? | ||
| Aren't they? | ||
| But they wouldn't react the same way, right? | ||
| No one would think you're throwing a leg kick. | ||
|
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What? | |
| Why is mine... | ||
| Is it because... | ||
| Because you have all this hair. | ||
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Is it? | |
| Yeah, I'm bald as fuck. | ||
| Oh, there we go. | ||
| There we go. | ||
| That's better. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Yeah, but why can't they spinning back fist in boxing? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Should be able to. | ||
| They're purists. | ||
| They are very purists. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But I see where they're coming from in a certain way. | ||
| Like when boxers talk shit about MMA and striking in MMA, I see where they're coming from. | ||
| They're wrong. | ||
| Because your shit won't work. | ||
| Come try that shit. | ||
| You're going to get taken down, stupid. | ||
| This is the whole reason why they do it a different way. | ||
| But I actually do believe that a boxer with incredible footwork and a jab, a great jab, could survive and win in an MMA fight. | ||
| As long as he doesn't fight a long guy with good kicks, like a Jon Jones. | ||
| Jon Jones just kicked the shit out of you from a distance. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You're not even going to get close to him. | ||
| And then by the time you've eaten all those leg kicks, you're not moving so good. | ||
| Yeah, that's fair. | ||
| You're going to grab ahold of you and smash your face in. | ||
| I agree. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But yeah, I think footwork is the key. | ||
| Do you remember when Vince Foster, when he was not quite world class anymore, he'd lost the title? | ||
| See, this is what worries me because I don't remember shit. | ||
| You're way more of a fan than I am. | ||
| Well, he fought Masato when Masato was the king of K1 over in Japan. | ||
| Masato, the sexiest Japanese man I've ever seen. | ||
| Pretty sexy. | ||
| Yeah, he's super sexy. | ||
| But is he sexier than Sexy Yama? | ||
| I don't know who Sexyama is. | ||
|
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What? | |
| Pull up Sexyama. | ||
| You don't know who Sexyama is? | ||
| Sexyama fought in the UFC several times. | ||
| Fought in Pride. | ||
| Oh, did he? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't know who that is. | ||
| That's a great name, though. | ||
| Gorgeous. | ||
| Gorgeous man. | ||
| I feel like that should be a super sushi roll. | ||
| There he is. | ||
| There's Sexyama. | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| Masato's way better looking. | ||
| Yeah, you say that. | ||
| You're not in Sexyama's presence. | ||
| Look at that. | ||
| I like the way he glows. | ||
| Yeah, look at him. | ||
| Man, it's beautiful. | ||
| Look at those pecs. | ||
| Yeah, he's got that cross dangling super low. | ||
| What's going on with that? | ||
| So you look. | ||
| That cross, it's almost like a belly button ring or some shit. | ||
| That's a deal breaker, right? | ||
| A dude with a belly button ring? | ||
| How about that? | ||
| A guy, a gorgeous guy with a belly button ring. | ||
| That means he's freaky. | ||
| Is that what it means? | ||
| Or too vain. | ||
| Or gay as fuck. | ||
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More likely. | |
| That's something men just never rocked. | ||
| I think it means he's freaky or he takes too many selfies. | ||
| Yeah, definitely. | ||
| Is that something any man has ever bravely tried to rock? | ||
| I know guys do nipple rings. | ||
| Like a real freaky dude will do nipple rings. | ||
|
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I think I've seen it once. | |
| You've seen a belly button ring on a male? | ||
| I think so. | ||
| One time I saw a pierced... | ||
| Who's that? | ||
|
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Masato. | |
| Masato. | ||
| Oh, there he is. | ||
| Beautiful. | ||
| I thought you were showing me a belly button ring. | ||
| There's better pictures of him. | ||
| He's really good looking. | ||
| Masato is very handsome. | ||
| And still is. | ||
| And still is very active in all sorts of promotions and stuff in Japan. | ||
| Did you see when he was going to fight Petrosian, and Petrosian was killing Saur. | ||
| What happened? | ||
| It was supposed to be his, like, goodbye. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| And so he's watching Petrosian, I think it was Sour, destroy Andy Sour. | ||
| And he's just like, fuck this. | ||
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I'm good. | |
| Pull up Masato versus Vince Phillips. | ||
| Because what was interesting about this, it was like, do you remember when Shannon the Cannon decided to fight in K-1 and he fought Tom Erickson in a kickboxing match? | ||
| I don't remember. | ||
| But that was a similar thing, but Tom Erickson was a wrestler who was an MMA fighter, and Shannon Briggs ate a couple of leg kicks, and he was talking about it on the podcast, that he was trying to play it off. | ||
| He was like, God damn, that shit hurt! | ||
| But he wound up KOing Tom Erickson. | ||
| But Tom Erickson, at the time, was not nearly the kind of striker that Vince Phillips was when Vince Phillips fought Masato. | ||
| Vince Phillips had... | ||
| Beating world-class fighters. | ||
| I think, who did he beat? | ||
| He beat some fucking high-level world-class boxers. | ||
| And then, you know, he got like 36, 37, 38, and then took this fight. | ||
| Was he 37 at the time? | ||
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I don't know. | |
| So he fought Vince Phillips, but it was so weird seeing Vince Phillips walk out there barefoot. | ||
| I mean, they should have let him wear boxing shoes. | ||
| At least. | ||
| Because he's not throwing any kicks. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And Masato just... | ||
| Give me some... | ||
| Beautiful man. | ||
| Perfect bone structure. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He's ridiculous. | ||
| Perfect hair, too. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
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Oh, yeah. | |
| And Vince Phillips is like, what the fuck did I sign up for? | ||
| Yeah, that feeling that they have when they know they're about to get leg kicked. | ||
| So, right away, it opens up inside. | ||
| And just moves away from the punches, sets, goes up high, goes up high a bunch of times, kicking into the arms, and then goes across the leg. | ||
| See, that's a weird one, right? | ||
| The across the thigh, nut shot. | ||
| I never throw that one. | ||
| But this was, this is at the time, like, one of the first times that a real world-class boxer had attempted a kickboxing fight. | ||
| I love that he did this. | ||
| Franz Botha did that too. | ||
| Do you remember Franz Botha? | ||
| He was a heavyweight contender in boxing in the 80s and 90s. | ||
| How much time a day do you dedicate to watching fights? | ||
| If you talk to my wife and ask her what she told me about 10 minutes ago, I will not remember what the fuck she said. | ||
| There's a lot of shit that I don't remember. | ||
| But I have storage units in my brain and stuff like, oh, that's interesting. | ||
| What happened there? | ||
| This happened. | ||
| Oh, why'd that happen? | ||
| Why did this go wrong? | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Pull up Giorgio Petrosian versus Andy Sauer. | ||
| S-A-U-E-R. Is it? | ||
| No. | ||
| How do you spell it? | ||
| Oh, here's Franz Botha. | ||
| S-O-U. Yeah, S-O-U. So Franz Botha, this is Franz Botha fat as fuck, too. | ||
| He had hit the wall. | ||
| He was the white buffalo. | ||
| He's a South African heavyweight. | ||
| But he actually learned how to kick a little bit. | ||
| And he was not just boxing guys, but his hands were just way better than most kickboxers. | ||
| Because he was at one point in time a real heavyweight contender. | ||
| This is not a good example of this. | ||
| This is 2015? | ||
| Holy shit, dude. | ||
| This guy was a fucking contender in the 90s. | ||
| He's already hurt. | ||
| He should have thrown a knee. | ||
| Did you watch the Chuck Liddell fight? | ||
| Just the end of it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Not good, right? | ||
| How old is he now? | ||
| 50. Damn. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So there's hope for me. | ||
| Oh wait, he lost. | ||
| Well, you've never been knocked out the way he's been knocked out so many times. | ||
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I don't think I've ever been knocked out. | |
| Not in the gym, not ever? | ||
| Flash, flash knockdown, that's it. | ||
| Knockdown, yeah. | ||
| I've had concussions and been knocked out from, like, falling in the rain and falling off a second floor landing when I was a kid. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But in fighting, I never... | ||
| Chuck's... | ||
| Also, I think there was an issue with his style. | ||
| Because his style was so aggressive, aggressive, that people could just set, set, set, boom! | ||
| And counter... | ||
| Like Rashad Evans did with him. | ||
| And so you're getting his momentum coming forward and the shot and he would get flatlined. | ||
| He doesn't change. | ||
| No. | ||
| He doesn't evolve. | ||
| He had a style that was incredibly effective back in the day. | ||
| And I think he became married to that approach. | ||
| You know, the approach that worked so well on Babalu, so well on Tito in the early fights. | ||
| He was just a marauder. | ||
| You could hit him in the face with a fucking crowbar and he would just spit metal out at you. | ||
| He didn't give a fuck. | ||
| He was so badass back in the day. | ||
| He relied on that so much. | ||
| I remember all the Mohawks. | ||
| Yeah, the little kids. | ||
| They all like to wear Mohawks back in the day. | ||
| People are getting Japanese symbols tattooed on their head because of him. | ||
| Yeah, it's just... | ||
| That style comes at a certain point in time and you just can't do that anymore. | ||
| I think... | ||
| I don't know, like, it's a martial artist, you know? | ||
| And artists evolve. | ||
| And they're like, oh, well let me try this new paint. | ||
| Oh, let me try this new technique. | ||
| Let me try this shading. | ||
| Let me, you know, start sculpting. | ||
| Let me try. | ||
| And I think with, especially MMA, you know, there's so much opportunity to evolve. | ||
| Just add new nuances to you as an artist. | ||
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Okay. | |
| I think that's what I love about it. | ||
| There certainly is, but one thing that does happen when guys try to add a lot of things, like say, sometimes they'll try to, like, say a wrestler will add a bunch of things to his repertoire, but then they stop with their wrestling practice, so then their wrestling is not as sharp, and so then when they go up against a really good wrestler, they falter, and then they don't have what brought them to the dance in the first place. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| But I think that's just looking at your opponent, what's in front of you, and also being honest with yourself. | ||
| Right now, I'm looking at getting back into fighting, and if I didn't feel the sharpness, I didn't feel the fire, and not just the fire, if I didn't physically feel the sharpness, if I didn't feel the reflexes, I'd have to be honest with myself and say, okay, don't do this. | ||
| Do you think that you would 100% be capable of being rational and objective about what you can do right now? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because I don't fight for participation awards. | ||
| I'm not like, hey, I'm a... | ||
| There's some UFC fighters that are like, I'm a UFC fighter. | ||
| Yay, I've made it. | ||
| That's not really making it. | ||
| You're just another... | ||
| Say, I'm a world champion. | ||
| I'm the best in the world. | ||
| I'm a UFC fighter is like a participation medal, basically. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Well, it shows that you're a very high-level fighter. | ||
| You're a very high-level professional fighter. | ||
| But you're not a champion. | ||
| Right, but in your eyes, you as a champion, that is what's important. | ||
| You want to be the queen. | ||
| You want to be the top of the hill. | ||
| We want to be your best self. | ||
| Yes, your best self. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| This one thing that I really like about individual sports, whether it's jujitsu or Muay Thai or boxing, is that you can focus on just one sport and all the various aspects of one sport. | ||
| And there's so much subtlety and so much technique and so much to learn. | ||
| I mean, you ever watch Floyd Mayweather Senior train people? | ||
| It's really interesting because he's showing guys who are world-class fighters the subtle aspects of boxing and movement and things they're doing wrong. | ||
| You know Simon Marcus. | ||
| He was working with Simon Marcus and he was doing some training with Simon Marcus. | ||
| I'm like, this is so fascinating. | ||
| That had to be hard. | ||
| For a guy like Simon? | ||
| Yeah, because he's very rigid. | ||
| And he gets so much power from his rigidity. | ||
| And so boxing is much more, it's not rigid. | ||
| It's like hip-hop. | ||
| It's got that beat to it and that swag to it. | ||
| And Simon Marcus is just so... | ||
| That Muay Thai hard style and a lot of grappling and clenching and moving forward. | ||
| Yeah, he's a very physically strong guy too. | ||
| Yeah, he looks like he's on shit. | ||
| But he's not. | ||
| He does, doesn't he? | ||
| He's got good genes. | ||
| Yeah, great genes. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Do you remember Joe Schilling? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And Simon Marcus? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| That beef. | ||
| Fuck. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That fourth round. | ||
| I do remember that. | ||
| What a fucking crazy fight. | ||
| I was there for that. | ||
| And there was all the controversy on the first one, right? | ||
| Because there was the illegal... | ||
| Was it illegal? | ||
| He hooked the back of the heel or something. | ||
| And then on the throat... | ||
| On the... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| This is the first fight. | ||
| The first fight, Simon Marcus won. | ||
| But it was like he got knocked out, Joe did, from when Simon fell on him. | ||
| And he also put his foot behind his heel, I guess. | ||
| And there was a lot of conscious stories about that, whether that was legal or not in Muay Thai. | ||
| And then when he fell on him, I guess he hit Joe in the jaw with his forehead or something. | ||
| And so Joe got up like this. | ||
|
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Right. | |
| Did you remember that? | ||
| Yes, I do now. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| So the revenge, to have it in that last man standing tournament, which was a fucking crazy thing to begin with, where they were going to have to fight three times in a night. | ||
| I don't remember that. | ||
| Was that? | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| So they fought in the first round. | ||
| Joe fought Simon, and it went three rounds, and it was a draw. | ||
| And so in the fourth round, they had to come out. | ||
| Both guys were like, holy, you know, Glory goes, one more round! | ||
| So they're like, fuck. | ||
| And Simon Marcus had kept spitting out his mouthpiece. | ||
| And Big John McCarthy took a point away. | ||
| He takes a point away from Simon, because Simon was exhausted. | ||
| Because they were going to war. | ||
| That's a trick. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| He was spitting out his mouthpiece, trying to gain some time. | ||
| He's pretty fucking jacked. | ||
| He's so jacked. | ||
| And so now he's got one point down going into a fight that's a draw. | ||
| So he's got to move forward. | ||
| So he comes after Joe and Joe knows he's got to come at him. | ||
| So Joe starts countering and he catches him with this fucking nasty right hook. | ||
| I think it's coming soon. | ||
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Three or four seconds. | |
| Well, it was a wild fight. | ||
| Just a wild series of exchanges. | ||
| And I think Simon... | ||
| Yeah, here it is. | ||
| Simon's moving forward. | ||
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Boom! | |
| There it is. | ||
| And Simon had knocked Joe down early in the fight. | ||
| I think he knocked Joe down in the first. | ||
| Nice. | ||
| So Joe lost the first round and then probably won the second and third. | ||
| So it was a tie going into the fourth. | ||
|
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Wow. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| It was a crazy fight. | ||
| Awesome fight though. | ||
| They actually fought in line fight too. | ||
| I've had a lot of concussions. | ||
| Could be wrong. | ||
| But I thought it was their first fight. | ||
| I think they have fought three times. | ||
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The controversy. | |
| Yes. | ||
| And then the second fight was a lion fight. | ||
| And it was winner take all. | ||
| The purse. | ||
| And then I think it was glory. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I think you're right. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| That was round two you got knocked down. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I loved Lion Fight. | ||
| I wish they had kept it on AXS TV. I don't know what the fuck happened. | ||
| I don't know where it is now. | ||
| I think it's like on a web app or some shit. | ||
| I was afraid to fight Lion Fight because of the judging. | ||
| Really? | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| There were some screwy decisions. | ||
| Yeah, I was just like... | ||
| But is that an athletic commission thing? | ||
| That seems more like an athletic commission thing than a Lion Fight thing. | ||
| But does it matter? | ||
| Because they keep doing it in the same spot, so it doesn't matter. | ||
| That's the case with Vegas, though. | ||
| I mean, Vegas has some terrible fucking judging sometimes. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And it's not... | ||
| I mean, I don't know how you fix that other than fire anyone who has any shitty decisions. | ||
| It seems like you can't even... | ||
| Can you petition? | ||
| You can, but nobody wins. | ||
| See, that's fucked up. | ||
| It is fucked up. | ||
| I can't imagine... | ||
| When has anyone, in your recent memory, or in your memory period, when has anyone appealed a decision and won? | ||
| I've never... | ||
| I've never heard of it. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| You think about all the fights that we've seen, and that we've never... | ||
| We can't even recall someone who got fucked, who went back and reviewed the tape. | ||
| Look, I'm hitting them 3-1, 2-1, and still lose the decision, which has happened. | ||
| That has happened. | ||
| There have been some egregious, horrible decisions. | ||
| What I hate about this is, I think that the judges don't really think about that it's our lives. | ||
| If I have this loss, because of your error, the next time I fight, I make less money. | ||
| And I'm already not making that much money. | ||
| You're not even thinking about what this does to me as a fighter. | ||
| I don't think that it's they're not thinking about that. | ||
| I think it's they're not competent. | ||
| I think there's certainly corruption, and there's certainly people that get bribed. | ||
| I guarantee that does still probably happen. | ||
| How do I guarantee probably? | ||
| I can't, right? | ||
| But I think more likely than that is you're seeing incompetence. | ||
| I think you're seeing people that don't have any martial arts training. | ||
| That's fucked up, though. | ||
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It is. | |
| I don't know, that's ego. | ||
| Like, they can't admit that they don't know. | ||
| Oh my god, I had that. | ||
| It's like a government job. | ||
| I fucking had that at a, it was a WBC title defense. | ||
| And I'm doing completely legal throws, Muay Thai throws, and he's telling me no more slamming her on the canvas. | ||
| What? | ||
| He's like, he says, this ain't no jujitsu. | ||
| No. | ||
|
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Literally. | |
| The referee says this? | ||
|
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You said his name. | |
| That's Voldemort. | ||
| Oh my goodness. | ||
| Tanya Evinger wins. | ||
| Commission appeal. | ||
| Retains Invicta FC champion. | ||
| Wait a minute. | ||
| What is a commission appeal though? | ||
| What does that mean though? | ||
| She lost a submission and the other person was a champion for 13 days. | ||
| She lost by submission? | ||
| Huh. | ||
|
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What? | |
| Yeah. | ||
| This was in at the end of 25th, 2016? | ||
| How is it overturned to a no contest? | ||
| I had that. | ||
| So what happened? | ||
| I googled your question and someone found some examples of it happening and this was one of the three I found. | ||
| Huh. | ||
| That's a little different because that seems like there was an error in the officiating. | ||
| And so if she lost by submission and they said it wasn't legit... | ||
| I had a decision overturned. | ||
| Did you? | ||
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Mm-hmm. | |
| Really? | ||
| It was... | ||
| What's his name? | ||
| John Big Eye. | ||
| The big ref. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| What's his name? | ||
| John... | ||
| Big John McCarthy? | ||
| Big John McCarthy. | ||
| John Big Eye. | ||
| It's the big guy. | ||
| That's your new name, bro. | ||
| But I need a downed opponent in the head. | ||
| Oh. | ||
| But from where I was, I didn't realize that. | ||
| Mm-hmm. | ||
| So I need her once, and she was like this, and I was like, oh man, let me make sure this is over with, and I need her again. | ||
| But she was like 5'11", 6 feet-ish, Jessamine Duke, super, super long, and I didn't realize that her knees were on the canvas. | ||
| I didn't know Jessamine Duke fought Muay Thai. | ||
| No, this was an MMA. So I knocked her out, and then I put one for good measure, unfortunately. | ||
| And so he gave me the win, and then she appealed it, and then it got overturned to a no contest. | ||
| At least not a DQ. Because I didn't mean to do it. | ||
| I didn't realize. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| That's interesting. | ||
| Because she would have gone out anyway. | ||
| Yeah, so I've kind of fucked myself. | ||
| I gave her a leg to stand on. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| Yeah, that was like... | ||
| What organization was that in? | ||
| Invicta. | ||
| How many fights did you have in Invicta? | ||
| Oh, three. | ||
| Three? | ||
| I think. | ||
| Is that all the most MMA fights you've had? | ||
| Oh, you've had more than three, right? | ||
| Four. | ||
| Four? | ||
| I think four. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Now, when you talk about coming back now, I know you're recovering from knee injuries and all this jazz. | ||
| And chunkiness. | ||
| Chunkiness? | ||
| You look great now. | ||
| Yeah, it's so much better. | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| Is it because of Snack-O-Moto? | ||
| No. | ||
| Snack-O-Moto, healthy snacks. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Man, when you're 40 pounds overweight, you smell different. | ||
| Do you? | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| What do you smell like? | ||
| Just not yourself. | ||
| It's not yourself. | ||
| It's just not. | ||
| 40 pounds is a lot. | ||
| It is a lot. | ||
| What were you eating? | ||
| Or not eating, or drinking all the time, and not working out, and limping because my knee was still fucked up. | ||
| Yeah, there was a lot of grief. | ||
| For someone like you, it's got to be hard too because you're so connected to your physical activity. | ||
| Oh yeah. | ||
| So to have that removed and taken away from you... | ||
| Well, I remember when you were talking about finding out who you really are, who you think you are. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And getting that injury, gaining all that weight. | ||
| I was like, oh, okay. | ||
| Who I think I am, I no longer have access to that. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So now who am I? And I spent the last five years trying to work that shit out. | ||
| So, yeah. | ||
| That happens to a lot of fighters when they retire. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Well, good thing it happened already. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| What were you thinking while that time was up? | ||
| Because you've got to feel like, also, you're 42 now. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So this is all happening at 37, which is, you know, for some fighters, it's towards the end anyway. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| No, I was doing well at 37. Yeah. | ||
| I was doing fine. | ||
| No, you were doing great. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But there's a reality of the clock. | ||
| Yeah, for sure. | ||
| When you look at, at least historically, everyone outside of Bernard Hopkins. | ||
| Yeah, he's amazing. | ||
| Fucking amazing. | ||
| Holy shit. | ||
| 46 years old, fighting world class. | ||
| I mean, I think he beat... | ||
| Did he beat Kelly Pavlik when he was like 46? | ||
| I think he boxed Kelly Pavlik up when he was 46 and lost to Joe Smith. | ||
| I think he was 51 by the time we got knocked out and sent out of the cage or out of the ring. | ||
| I love that guy. | ||
| Yeah, I know. | ||
| He's amazing. | ||
| 43 when he fought Pavlik. | ||
| But he's more conservative now when he fights. | ||
| Well, he's done, but yeah. | ||
| The recent stuff. | ||
| A masterful boxer. | ||
| Just absolutely understands everything about boxing and is not going to put himself in a position where he's going to get fucked up. | ||
| Until he couldn't help it anymore. | ||
| Like the Joe Smith fight, it was like, this has got to be the end. | ||
| And Kovalev too. | ||
| It felt like Kovalev was lighting him up. | ||
| I was like, oh, I don't want to watch this. | ||
| It hurts when you see somebody so incredible when it's done. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Because they just... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You're so much better than this. | ||
| Especially when they're an artist. | ||
| When you see Chuck go out on his shield, something about it to me... | ||
| I don't like seeing it, for sure. | ||
| I definitely would have liked it if he didn't get knocked out again. | ||
| But one thing that I would like young fighters to see is that there's consequences to choices in terms of how you approach These exchanges and how you fight. | ||
| And I'm of a belief that you should fight the correct way. | ||
| Don't fight the way that pleases your boss or the crowd. | ||
| Fight the way you're supposed to with your skills. | ||
| And win by knockout when you can. | ||
| But don't get knocked out because you're trying to win by knockout and doing something that you're overextending yourself and exposing yourself and you're compromising yourself. | ||
| That's not wise. | ||
| And I think part of fighting has to be wise. | ||
| It's exciting enough. | ||
| I mean, it's fucking crazy and wild enough, but everybody wants every single second of it to be filled with blood and the crowd cheering and when they're not... | ||
| I mean, how many times have we seen fights where just there's a lull in the action for a brief moment or they're clinching and people start booing. | ||
| And then someone, come on, mix it up, boys, mix it up. | ||
| Like, what do you mean mix it up? | ||
| The fuck do you do? | ||
| What do you think they're doing, man? | ||
| They're fighting. | ||
| This is crazy talk. | ||
| You know, like, you see it all the time. | ||
| Social media brain. | ||
| There's a little bit of that. | ||
| Impatient. | ||
| Everybody wants to be a huge star, too. | ||
| Everybody wants to do their best to gain the most followers and get the most love and get the most applause. | ||
| There's a right way to fight and a wrong way to fight. | ||
| One of the things about watching a guy like Chuck go out on his shield like that, it's like, this is the bed he made. | ||
| I mean, this is his style. | ||
| His style is marauder, berserker, move forward, like Melvin Manhoof. | ||
| When you see Melvin go out on his shield, you go, look, this is Melvin's style. | ||
| He's either going to kill you or get killed. | ||
| Yeah, that's true. | ||
| But if you see a guy like Sugar Ray Leonard, and he gets KO'd, you're like, oh, Jesus. | ||
| Like, stop. | ||
| You can't do it anymore. | ||
| You can't move the way that made you successful. | ||
| Pernell Whitaker, something like that. | ||
| We see them, for whatever reason, they can't move right. | ||
| Do you remember Penel Whitaker? | ||
| I know the name, but I haven't watched his fights. | ||
| Damn, woman. | ||
| That's why I'm just laughing. | ||
| I'm like, man. | ||
| He was a defensive genius. | ||
|
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Olympic gold medalist, 76. I'm terrible. | |
| So people will ask me about the Y crew, Ra Muayi, and I'm just like, I don't know. | ||
| It's both. | ||
| Or they'll ask me, how do you win a Muay Thai fight? | ||
| And I go, I don't know. | ||
| Do more damage. | ||
| Like, I don't fucking know. | ||
| What score is higher? | ||
| Elbow or knee or punch? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Just fucking win. | ||
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Right. | |
| Like, I have no idea. | ||
| Were you ever thinking what score is higher? | ||
| No. | ||
| I'm just thinking, I'm going to dominate this motherfucker. | ||
| This is my space. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, this is my, you know, yeah, square circle or whatever. | ||
| Is that how you think about it? | ||
| This is mine? | ||
| Well, yeah, because you dominate the space and it's about territory. | ||
| And fighting is territory and you start and it's even and they have their side and you have your side and you take the territory away. | ||
| And you want them to feel like it's not their space anymore. | ||
| That's how you impose your will. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| It's that simple. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't know about fucking points and this and that, and it's shit. | ||
| I have no idea. | ||
| Do you ever teach? | ||
| Uh, yeah. | ||
| Do you teach private lessons? | ||
| Do you teach classes? | ||
| Like, what do you teach? | ||
| A little bit, yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Do you ever work with fighters? | ||
| Um, I have, yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| When you do it, do you find that looking at it in a way where you're trying to explain it to someone who's also trying to do what you do, that it helps you understand what you do? | ||
| Um... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But I definitely don't... | ||
| You don't like it? | ||
| No, no. | ||
| I still like this conversation the same. | ||
| It's more about the tone you're setting rather than the weapons you're using. | ||
| Because it's really just like there's that space and it's your job to own it. | ||
| You own the center of the ring. | ||
| You dictate where they go. | ||
| You take things away. | ||
| It's like an ex-convict trying to get a job. | ||
| The door is just shut in their face, shut in their face. | ||
| Everywhere they turn, shut in their face, shut in their face. | ||
| That's an interesting way to look at it. | ||
| That's how you want to make them feel. | ||
| Like you're a parole officer. | ||
| I don't want an ex-comic to not be able to get a job. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I know what you're saying. | ||
| But in the ring, you want to take shit away from somebody and make them feel very discouraged. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like you don't belong here anymore. | ||
| And you know that. | ||
| You know? | ||
| Like that's what you want them to feel. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And you don't want to fight me again. | ||
| That's another thing you want to make them feel. | ||
| You know, like, there's these things. | ||
| You've got to understand what you're doing there. | ||
| But insofar as, like, what score is higher and what this and that, I don't fucking know. | ||
| I have no fucking idea. | ||
| It just goes off of like how my opponent is reacting to what I'm doing to them. | ||
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Right. | |
| How they're reacting to me. | ||
| And that's what I'm going to throw. | ||
| Or where they move. | ||
| And that's what I'm going to throw. | ||
| I don't think about like, oh, is this going to score? | ||
| Should I throw this or this? | ||
| Which will score higher? | ||
| Right. | ||
| You can't. | ||
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I don't know. | |
| It's fucking retarded. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's not a wise way to think, I don't think. | ||
| I think, especially in something like Muay Thai, which so many fights win by knockout. | ||
| So many fights are won by knockout. | ||
| And it's such a devastating art. | ||
| You know, we think about just having the ability to kick and knee and punch and elbow and all these different weapons you're using. | ||
| I think Muay Thai doesn't hurt that much. | ||
| What does that mean? | ||
| What does that mean? | ||
| I think Muay Thai doesn't hurt that much. | ||
| You were talking earlier about breaking your elbow on someone's head. | ||
| Yeah, but that didn't hurt at the time. | ||
| At the time, it didn't hurt. | ||
| Adrenaline. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I mean, it just is like, just bam, and I'm like, whoa, she's bleeding. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| And the ref's pulling me off her. | ||
| I don't think about how it felt. | ||
| I don't think about when I got my ribs cracked from a kick in a Muay Thai fight. | ||
| I thought it was liver. | ||
| So I feel my pain. | ||
| I'm like, no! | ||
| And then I'm like, fuck you! | ||
| I'm in the fight! | ||
| And you pull yourself back out of that pain because you don't want to fall into the pain because it's hard to climb back up. | ||
| It's like swimming upstream. | ||
| So you can't fall into that fucking pain. | ||
| But it's not... | ||
| I mean, it's banged up. | ||
| But it's not that bad. | ||
| Well, you have a tolerance for it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, your shins will be bruised up. | ||
| You put a picture up on Instagram once of your legs. | ||
| No, that hurt. | ||
| No, that really hurt. | ||
| What day was that after the fight that your legs were that fucked up? | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| That was right before I fought. | ||
| It was right before you fought? | ||
| Yeah, so I had three fights, and that one was right before the last one. | ||
| Oh, you had three fights in a day? | ||
| No, I had three fights over five days. | ||
| Oh. | ||
| Which made it worse, actually, because if the three fights had been in one day, then... | ||
| Jesus Christ. | ||
| Yeah, so they had a day between each, and so the pain would set in, and the bruising would set in. | ||
| Was this a Muay Thai tournament? | ||
| Yeah, it was IFMA. Was it in Thailand? | ||
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Uh-huh. | |
| Oh, they're crazy over there. | ||
| It was cool. | ||
| I liked it. | ||
| That's wild, though. | ||
| But that shit hurt. | ||
| I'm sure. | ||
| That shit hurt for weeks. | ||
| Like, I couldn't roll over in bed. | ||
| Like, I couldn't. | ||
| You know how you stack your legs and you snuggle up in your position? | ||
| Couldn't. | ||
| I had to put a pillow in between them. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| The bruising was behind on the calves. | ||
| I got kicked in the front, yeah. | ||
| But there's so much blood, internal bleeding from the bruising, it went to the back, to my calves. | ||
| So it actually encapsulated my whole leg in bruising. | ||
| And then it went down my ankles, both sides, and then down to my toes. | ||
| So when you took the pictures, that was you in between the second and third fight? | ||
| That was right before the third fight. | ||
| I was waiting. | ||
| It was the King's Cup. | ||
| So it was the King's birthday. | ||
| Fuck! | ||
| Yeah, and you can see my ankle, and it actually went underneath my toes. | ||
| And this is before you have to fight again. | ||
| Both legs were like that. | ||
| Both were like this. | ||
| And you have to fight again. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So do you know Wooden Man, Jang Sanan? | ||
| That's him rubbing me. | ||
| And so he tried to give me the Muay Thai. | ||
| They give you the pre-fight massage with the Thai limit. | ||
| He couldn't fucking touch me. | ||
| It was so bad. | ||
| How the fuck did you fight like this? | ||
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I don't know. | |
| But I did. | ||
| That is so insane. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Your legs are so banged up. | ||
| The fact that you fought. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And so, like, mentally, I was just like, wow, this is happening. | ||
| I'm going to do this. | ||
| And I'd look at my legs. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Okay, this is happening. | ||
| This is... | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Once you started fighting, what did you feel? | ||
| I don't think about that. | ||
| Like, sometimes you get kicked and it goes through. | ||
| Like, it gets through your foreshield. | ||
| You know, like, you kind of put up this, like... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| When I fight, it's like I'm fighting and it's a force shield in a sense. | ||
| And sometimes if it hurts enough, like when I got my ribs cracked, I felt that. | ||
| Like it went through and I disrupted my force shield. | ||
| And so sometimes something would go through like a good solid kick. | ||
| Your force shield. | ||
| It's my force shield. | ||
| Force shield activate. | ||
| So you have your attitude, your mindset. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| This is like you're fighting, you're ready to accept all sorts of things. | ||
| Yeah, like I could die. | ||
| Or even harder, I could kill someone. | ||
| Do you think it'd be harder to kill someone than to die? | ||
| Harder on you? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah? | ||
| Because then you think about their loved ones. | ||
| So think about all the people that loved you. | ||
| We fight. | ||
| Think about all the people that love you, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And so when we fight, I didn't break any rules, but I killed you. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Think about all your loved ones. | ||
| Everybody that loves you that's attached to you. | ||
| Think about that. | ||
| All that pain. | ||
| Because of what I did to you, even though I didn't break any rules. | ||
| Have you ever been in a promotion where someone died? | ||
| But that's heavy, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I think probably why a lot of fighters, I've noticed, like, there's... | ||
| I don't think the majority of fighters look at what they do with the gravity that it deserves. | ||
| You know, like you could kill somebody. | ||
| You need to think about that and be okay with that. | ||
| Not okay, but just understand like, all right, that could happen and I'm going to be consciously knowing this and choosing to go forward. | ||
| They just think, oh, I'm going to fight. | ||
| It'll be fun. | ||
| It'll, you know, whatever. | ||
| Or it'll be hard. | ||
| Or I'm going to, like, whatever. | ||
| They don't think about these things. | ||
| Is this something that you thought about when you were young? | ||
| Yeah, before I really got into it. | ||
| So this is something you've been contemplating even before you started fighting. | ||
| You were aware of all the possibilities. | ||
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Yeah, I... Okay. | |
| All right, I'll say it. | ||
| So I was about 28, I think. | ||
| And I don't think I had my pro boxing debut yet. | ||
| And I took some mushrooms. | ||
| And I was thinking, somewhere along the trip, I started thinking about fighting. | ||
| And I started thinking about what could happen to me. | ||
| And I started thinking about the death of me. | ||
| And then I started thinking about what could happen to my opponent. | ||
| Like, what's worse than that? | ||
| And I thought about, I could see somebody at a fight and I saw all the lines of gold thread attached into them from their loved ones. | ||
| And then all the lines got snipped when they died. | ||
| Yeah, I saw this on this mushroom trip and I was just like, fuck. | ||
| And so then when I decided to fight, there's more intent, you know, and more commitment and more resolve. | ||
| That's heavy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But that is what it is, right? | ||
|
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Mm-hmm. | |
| And that's where I think there's more power. | ||
| To people that have never fought before and people that don't understand fighting, they say, I don't get the appeal, I don't know why you watch it. | ||
| One of the reasons, there's many reasons, but one of the reasons why people enjoy participating in it so much is because they're so... | ||
| It's so much risk and it's so dangerous and it's so difficult, so unbelievably difficult to prepare, unbelievably difficult to put yourself in the proper mind state, especially to be a champion, to beat the best of the best, to get to the top of the heap, that once you do succeed, explain that feeling to people. | ||
| Explain that feeling when they raise your hand and put that belt around your waist and the crowd is cheering. | ||
| I'm kind of weird because I actually get depressed. | ||
| You get depressed? | ||
| You get depressed when you win? | ||
| At times, yeah. | ||
| Or I'm just... | ||
| I think for me, what I've come to realize about myself is that it's about authentically expressing myself in the moment. | ||
| And I think with a lot of my fights, I wasn't being honest. | ||
| I didn't take my heart and cut it open and pour it out on the mat or the canvas. | ||
| I played it safe. | ||
| I didn't go in for the knockout. | ||
| I didn't slip a punching counter and get inside. | ||
| I stayed outside. | ||
| Or when I was inside, I would clinch up an elbow and knee. | ||
| You know? | ||
| So... | ||
| For me it hurts when I'm being inauthentic and I know that With pretty much all of my Muay Thai fights, I wasn't. | ||
| But is that the case, or is it you being hypercritical of yourself? | ||
| Always. | ||
| Always. | ||
| So I've actually, you just say, carry it on, and he can attest to this. | ||
| I've come out of fights and won the world title, done a great job, and I come into the gym the next week, and I go, carry it! | ||
| This was stupid. | ||
| I looked stupid. | ||
| I didn't do this right. | ||
| This is fucked up. | ||
| I can't fight like that again. | ||
| Like, we gotta fix that. | ||
| And I'm just like that. | ||
| But that's what makes a champion, though. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But mine was unhealthy. | ||
| So mine was more... | ||
| I think I'm more of a champion now than I ever was when I was actively fighting. | ||
| And when I was... | ||
| I was trying to be good enough... | ||
| Instead of just focusing on... | ||
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How am I gonna say this? | |
| My... | ||
| My pursuit of world titles wasn't about—it was in defense of something that was told to me when I was growing up. | ||
| So it's like, I'm a world champion, so you can't tell—that's not true, because I'm a world champion. | ||
| So that's what that was about for me. | ||
| So it was about making up for a lack of love, a lack of appreciation for abuse. | ||
| Yeah, like, I'm not good enough, so I'm gonna win this world title and prove that I am good enough. | ||
| So, F you. | ||
| And that's not a pure place to express yourself from. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You know, like, now, I'm more of a martial artist than I've ever been, and I'm more of a teacher and a student than I've ever been, and I'm more of a champion than I've ever been. | ||
| How are you more of a champion than you've ever been? | ||
| The way my outlook and the way I learn, the way I attack new information, the way how malleable I am, how quickly I take things on. | ||
| How driven. | ||
| It's a lot easier to be champion when you have the six-pack and the muscles and the youth and everything to back that up. | ||
| But when you have those things taken away from you, then what is a champion? | ||
| What is it without those things? | ||
| It's your heart. | ||
| It's your desire. | ||
| It's your resolve. | ||
| It's your mind. | ||
| But using this expression, champion, why champion? | ||
| Because if you're a champion, you're competing against someone to become a champion. | ||
| I compete against myself. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So you have a better mastery over the things that you feel held you back and limited your potential when you actually were a world champion kickboxer. | ||
| And so now it's more about self-expression. | ||
| You're a more balanced person. | ||
| Yeah, definitely. | ||
| And now it's the pursuit of self-expression and it's the pursuit of authenticity and finding that moment to ride the razor's edge instead of playing it safe and staying outside but not having a satisfying fight. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know? | ||
| Even though you won, not having satisfying fights because you could feel the flaws. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, I could just feel how I was holding back. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And it's like you can feel when you're in the zone and you go for it in 100% commitment and you're just in it. | ||
| You know, you're in it. | ||
| It's so authentic. | ||
| What fights have you had where you really felt satisfied? | ||
| I would say the fight after I fought Julie. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I went up in weight to fight her. | ||
| I went up to 140. It was a champion of champions. | ||
| She had 58 fights, I think 14 world titles. | ||
| I had 14 fights at the time and 6 world titles, I think. | ||
| That's pretty crazy. | ||
| 14 fights, 6 world titles. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I started late. | ||
| Karian said that you were the most talented person he's ever worked with. | ||
| I would agree. | ||
| I would. | ||
| I would. | ||
| That's high praise. | ||
| What I noticed... | ||
| I mean, that's really amazing stuff. | ||
| Well, I'm malleable. | ||
| And I'm really dry. | ||
| I'm like, no, that's not right. | ||
| Do it again. | ||
| That doesn't feel right. | ||
| Do it again. | ||
| What are you doing? | ||
| What am I doing? | ||
| What does it look like? | ||
| What should it feel like? | ||
| Where's my pressure? | ||
| Where's the leverage? | ||
| What's this? | ||
| I'm like that. | ||
| No, it's not right. | ||
| Let's do it again. | ||
| Oh, that was perfect, but let's move on to the next thing. | ||
| And this sort of level of dissatisfaction with your performances, though, don't you think that that's ultimately what makes you such a champion in the first place? | ||
| Alexander Gustafson put it best once when he was talking about one of his training camps. | ||
| He's like, this is the life of a professional athlete. | ||
| You're just never satisfied. | ||
| He says, if you want to achieve greatness, you're never satisfied. | ||
| Yeah, no, I agree, but not with the way I was doing it. | ||
| So you were doing it, but you were doing it in a manic, almost unhealthy way? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, I could never just give myself that. | ||
| I'd never be like, alright, that was great. | ||
| This needs adjustments. | ||
| Alright, so here's the game plan. | ||
| You know, like, oh, here, you know, you did this, this is an accomplishment, or, you know, you conquered this, you took on this new skill. | ||
| Alright, let's give yourself that credit. | ||
| It was always, ah, never good enough, ah, never good enough, ah, never, never good enough, you know? | ||
| But is that never good enough fuel? | ||
| Like, is that thought, like, never good enough, never good enough? | ||
| No, it's definitely fuel. | ||
| It is, right? | ||
| But it's not... | ||
| Not healthy. | ||
| There's much more environmentally friendly fuel. | ||
| Like, this is, like, pollutants. | ||
| It's pollutants. | ||
| And as far as your life goes, right? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Yeah, I know what you mean. | ||
| Yeah, no, so I am working with... | ||
| I am, back at CSA, working with Kiryan, you know, but I told him... | ||
| For Muay Thai, I actually told Dave and Kiryan this. | ||
| Did I tell Kiryan? | ||
| Well, I guess I'm telling him now. | ||
| If I were to have a Muay Thai fight, obviously, I'm not going to, you know, I wouldn't be with anybody else. | ||
| Like he's, that's where the success has been. | ||
| That's where the formula works. | ||
| I'm not going to change that. | ||
| But now I'm also over at Gorilla Jiu Jitsu with Dave Camarillo. | ||
| Excellent coach. | ||
| Oh my God. | ||
| Genius. | ||
| Oh my, fucking Jedi Knight, dude. | ||
| He's a Jedi Knight. | ||
| Great guy, too. | ||
| Holy shit. | ||
| Yeah, he's amazing. | ||
| He's amazing. | ||
| But now I get to learn from him. | ||
| And so that... | ||
| Is he making you wear a gi? | ||
| He's not making me. | ||
| But I do, and I would, and have no problem with it. | ||
| He definitely says, like, I need to go to classes, which I absolutely agree with. | ||
| You know, as a high-level striker, any kind of striker, going into MMA, you need to go to the fucking classes and learn to swim in the deep end. | ||
| You have to. | ||
| And just be like, alright, this sucks. | ||
| I'm just getting, like, fucking armpit suffocated. | ||
| It's fine. | ||
| Just deal with it. | ||
| But with Dave, I can feel myself... | ||
| Changing into the fighter that I want to be. | ||
| How often do you do jujitsu? | ||
| Um... | ||
| Well, right now I've been traveling so not as much, but I was doing it like every day. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And with your knee, I know you have like a limited amount of mobility with one of your knees. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Does that get in the way of anything? | ||
| It does. | ||
| I definitely have to like... | ||
| Do you put a brace on it or anything? | ||
| No, I just communicate clearly with my training partners. | ||
| So funny thing is I love heel hooks. | ||
| And I've had four knee surgeries. | ||
| Isn't that weird? | ||
| It's a little weird. | ||
| They're effective as fuck. | ||
| That's the only submission I go for. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Heel, hook, knee bar. | ||
| Well, listen, it's a very good submission. | ||
| I mean, it's revolutionized jujitsu, really, over the last few years. | ||
| The leg lock game has really taken over. | ||
| Yeah, you're thinking, like, if somebody had that many surgeries, you'd be like, no, I'm not fucking with that. | ||
| Well, how about John Donaher? | ||
| I'm, like, getting in there. | ||
| John Donaher has a fake hip, he's got a fake knee. | ||
| Oh, wow, really? | ||
| His whole body's getting replaced. | ||
| He's a bionic man. | ||
| And he's one of the main minds at the head of the leg lock revolution. | ||
| Eddie Cummings being one of them and then a lot of the students, you know? | ||
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Awesome. | |
| Gary Tonin, of course. | ||
| There's so many really good jujitsu guys now that are leg lock specialists. | ||
| Fascinating. | ||
| Craig Jones is like a whole new crew of up and coming guys that are leg lock specialists. | ||
| I love it. | ||
| Yeah, it's really interesting. | ||
| I love it. | ||
| It's really interesting because all the years that I did jiu-jitsu, it took this transition, which only took place within the last decade, like less than a decade, where it really started ramping up. | ||
| Back in the day, if you were in a jiu-jitsu tournament and you did a leg lock or a heel hook, the crowd would boo. | ||
| They would fucking scream. | ||
| They would scream even if you won by tap. | ||
| If you went to the Worlds and you heel hook somebody, people would freak the fuck out. | ||
| That's so dumb. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| That's what it used to be. | ||
| It used to be that they thought of it as cheap. | ||
| They thought leg locks and heel hooks and ankle locks, they thought those were cheap moves. | ||
| But it's literally part of the body. | ||
| Well, what it is, is people that didn't understand the defense, so they would move the wrong way and get their legs blown apart. | ||
| And nobody wants to get their legs blown apart in training, so they would discourage it in training and discourage it in competition because it was ripping people's legs apart. | ||
| Yeah, that's retarded. | ||
| Well, it's just a lack of understanding. | ||
| Look... | ||
| Your shoulder is a very complex joint. | ||
| We have zero problem manipulating the shit out of people's shoulders. | ||
| It's a weak joint, too. | ||
| It's a weak joint. | ||
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Tears apart. | |
| Complex and weak. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And we have no problem with that. | ||
| Nobody says, we've got to outlaw the morals. | ||
| Crying about that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Somehow or another, if you fuck your shoulder up where you can't wipe your ass, that's okay. | ||
| But if you fuck your knee up where you can't walk good. | ||
| Can you imagine if you can wipe your own ass? | ||
| Well, not a problem for you. | ||
| Oh, for my super toilet? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Fuck. | |
| Those toilets are awesome. | ||
| I was going to take a picture of that and post that on Instagram. | ||
| Go ahead. | ||
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Feel free. | |
| I tell people about them. | ||
| They're amazing. | ||
| That's awesome. | ||
| They keep it clean. | ||
| And plus, it's comfy. | ||
| It's like a warm seat. | ||
| As soon as I sat down, I was like, oh. | ||
| Nice, right? | ||
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Oh. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| It's a good life. | ||
| This is the good life. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's weird. | ||
| I mean, why is it okay to yank on someone's neck? | ||
| I mean, I know so many dudes with fucked up necks. | ||
| It's like all of jujitsu is bad for your body. | ||
| I have fucking... | ||
| Tingling right down my arm. | ||
| Right now? | ||
| When I sit in certain positions. | ||
| Oh. | ||
| From like just wrestling and jujitsu. | ||
| Did you get a MRI? Never happened. | ||
| No. | ||
| I guarantee I know what that is. | ||
| It's a pinched nerve. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| It means you got a bulging disc. | ||
| No. | ||
| That's what it means. | ||
| Not all the time though. | ||
| Almost always. | ||
| No, the tingling. | ||
| Yeah, the tingling is probably because a nerve is being pushed on by a disc. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Most of the time, that's what that is. | ||
| Until the wheels fall off. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You can understand. | ||
| I saw that look on your face. | ||
| But the wheels are not off. | ||
| You can strengthen things and you can do a lot of... | ||
| Have you ever fucked around with spinal decompression? | ||
| Mm-mm. | ||
| There's a lot of really cool devices that you could do at home. | ||
| Just hang? | ||
| Yeah, you put this harness on that straps to the door and it like supports your head, like pulls on your neck. | ||
| Really? | ||
| It stretches and relaxes your neck. | ||
| Yeah, it's fantastic. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Really good. | ||
| Yeah, that'll help a lot. | ||
| I'm going to sign that. | ||
| Yeah, sign that and then after... | ||
| We have pieces of paper you can write on paper. | ||
| I won't remember. | ||
| Okay, I'll text it to you. | ||
| It's got like yoga pants. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Okay, because I won't remember. | ||
| I'll text you all this stuff because I'm a fanatic about helping people with neck injuries because I had a pretty significant bulging disc that was making my hands numb. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I was really worried. | ||
| My elbow was always in pain, and I thought maybe I'd damage my elbow, and it turned out what was going on is the nerve, my disc was pushing against the nerve in my neck, and the ulnar nerve, which goes all the way down to your pinky tips, my fingers. | ||
| It's like over here, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, that was hurting. | ||
| So mine's weird since I broke my elbow on her head. | ||
| I'm sure. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's all that inflammation and scar tissue and shit in there. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| But there's a bunch of different devices, too. | ||
| There's a thing called the Iron Neck that I love to talk to people about, too. | ||
| It's like a halo you put on, and it'll... | ||
| Help strengthen all this stuff up too. | ||
| I need that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I'll show it to you after you do a podcast. | ||
| Is it like Muay Thai, you pull on my, I'm fine. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I'm totally fine. | ||
| But wrestling, like this and then that, it's different. | ||
| Weird head cranks, neck cranks. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Even jujitsu is not as bad as wrestling for me. | ||
| John John Machado always says, never trust your neck. | ||
| Just don't trust your neck. | ||
| Never think your neck's going to hold up. | ||
| Some guys, they'll shoot in for a takedown, someone will get them in a guillotine, and they'll just try to gut their way out of it. | ||
| Never trust your neck. | ||
| Never trust your neck. | ||
| That sucks. | ||
| Neck is a weird thing. | ||
| There's little bones that are held in place by tendons and this gelatinous mush in between them, and in between is the fucking cord that communicates from your brain all the way down to all your limbs. | ||
| That's hella sketchy, man. | ||
| And we're cranking on that thing. | ||
| This is the housing for the cord that keeps your body moving from your brain. | ||
| And people are getting your fucking chokes, crushing your neck. | ||
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It's crazy. | |
| See, now when I do jiu-jitsu, I'm a whole different mindset. | ||
| I'm like, don't fucking touch my neck. | ||
| Yeah, don't touch my neck. | ||
| I'll sneak an elbow in there. | ||
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Don't touch my fucking neck. | |
| Do you put your hair up in buns and shit? | ||
| Do the jiu-jitsu hair? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I'd try, but it's... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I want to shave my head. | ||
| Do you? | ||
| I'd want to. | ||
| You can pull it off. | ||
| But it's itchy. | ||
| Mine's all itchy. | ||
| Mine is all itchy when I do it. | ||
| You can pull it off. | ||
| You shave your head. | ||
| I've done it before. | ||
| You get a crew cut. | ||
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You'd look a badass bitch with a crew cut. | |
| You should do it. | ||
| Why not? | ||
| Why not? | ||
| For a comeback fight? | ||
| Look, it's not a bad move. | ||
| I'm already 42. I've got to at least keep some kind of thing going. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So I'm getting the lines. | ||
| I gotta at least try to play the game. | ||
| Rose Namajunas, she pulled it off. | ||
| I think Rose looks just as beautiful, if not more beautiful, with a shaved head. | ||
| She is... | ||
| You know, if she was an actress, she looks like an A-list actress, doesn't she? | ||
| Yeah, she's gorgeous. | ||
| And she has that presence. | ||
| But she doesn't give a fuck. | ||
| That's what it is, isn't it? | ||
| Yeah, that's a big part of what it is. | ||
| She's so interesting. | ||
| She's so present. | ||
| Uh-huh, uh-huh, uh-huh. | ||
| Beautiful. | ||
| She is beautiful, but... | ||
| Beautiful person. | ||
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Yes. | |
| Like, her heart and her... | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, no, she's amazing. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| And I don't think they appreciate that as much. | ||
| They don't appreciate it enough, you know, like how gorgeous she is. | ||
| She doesn't get enough press or attention. | ||
| If she had her hair and she played the game, because she literally looks like a mini supermodel with little muscles. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, I remember when she fought Michelle Watterson, the karate hottie. | ||
| Everybody was making this big deal out of how hot Michelle Watterson is, who's very beautiful. | ||
| But so's Rose. | ||
| Rose is equally gorgeous, if not more. | ||
| But the look, it's a different type of look. | ||
| Like, Michelle Watterson would be, like, hosting a cable entertainment show, E! News or something, right? | ||
| And Rose Namajunas would be, like, the lead in a movie. | ||
| Right. | ||
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Right. | |
| That's the difference in beauty. | ||
| She just has this like interesting look to her. | ||
| She has this kind of like a challenging beauty, you know? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| And it's even her expression. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Where Michelle Watterson is, there's something much more comfortable about her beauty. | ||
| Like she's really exotic. | ||
| She's like Thai and white or something, right? | ||
| I think. | ||
| Yeah, she's gorgeous. | ||
| But she doesn't have something, she doesn't have that challenging thing. | ||
| Do you know what I mean? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| No, I do know what you mean. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You can shave your head, dude. | ||
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You can pull it off. | |
| I'm telling you. | ||
| I would look nowhere near as good as Rose. | ||
| Well, that's very nice of you. | ||
| So what kind of physical conditioning do you do if you don't do any iron neck stuff, no spinal decompression? | ||
| What do you do? | ||
| I was doing a bit of CrossFit and a bit of just fight training. | ||
| So I've been out so long that when I started getting back in, like I told you before we started, I went fucking crazy and that was a bad idea at 41 at the time. | ||
| It was last year and I had a total body breakdown where it hurt to hold my cell phone. | ||
| I had like burning pain in my forearms just holding my cell phone. | ||
| How long did it take you to get to that spot? | ||
| About four months of hard training. | ||
| Doing jiu-jitsu. | ||
| I was over at Half Gracie in San Francisco. | ||
| That's a hard spot. | ||
| Sometimes I do. | ||
| Kurt Oseander. | ||
| Whenever I talk to somebody that trained at Half, I go, ooh. | ||
| You swam with the sharks. | ||
| Yeah, I did. | ||
| How come you don't have Kurt on? | ||
| I love that guy. | ||
| Such a character. | ||
| He's just like that in person. | ||
| Oh, I'm sure. | ||
| He's just like that. | ||
| Well, we're both friends with Bourdain. | ||
| I just never got to meet him before. | ||
| Bourdain was alive. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I'm sorry about that. | ||
| He collects medieval weapons. | ||
| Of course he does. | ||
| And he'll shoot them. | ||
| I like how he fucking takes videos where you just see his feet. | ||
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He takes videos just of his feet and all his toes are all fucked up and taped up. | |
| Have you seen his fingers? | ||
| Yeah, they're a mess. | ||
| Those gi guys, man, they just damage the shit out of their fingers. | ||
| I keep telling Kurt his big toe looks like one of those dildos in the Castro. | ||
| Yeah, it looks like a butt plug. | ||
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It's such a San Francisco reference. | |
| Yes, yes. | ||
| Dildos in the Castro. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Oh, those places. | ||
| Yeah, it looks like a butt plug. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's like that big. | ||
| It's a fucked up toe. | ||
| All those old gi guys, their hands just turn into gnarled messes because they're always trapped inside. | ||
| He looks like a mountain troll. | ||
| Yeah, a little bit. | ||
| He looks like a hobgoblin. | ||
| I love that guy. | ||
| Yeah, he's an animal. | ||
| He's like, what else does he do? | ||
| Yeah, and he's a great cook. | ||
| Is he? | ||
| Uh-huh. | ||
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Really? | |
| And then also, fuck, what does he do? | ||
| Isn't he in a band? | ||
| He does a lot of acid. | ||
| He was in a band. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And he buys instruments. | ||
| He's like, I'm going to learn how to play this. | ||
| And then he's building additions onto his house. | ||
| Didn't he start his own school recently? | ||
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No. | |
| Yes. | ||
| That, okay, that whole transition, that was like Game of Thrones. | ||
| Oh, really? | ||
| I don't know anything. | ||
| Which I'm not, I don't know that much about it. | ||
| I just remember like, everybody had little groups and was like, who are you with? | ||
| And it was just like, yeah, I'm not really used to that in Muay Thai. | ||
| I mean, there's some of it, but not like that. | ||
| That's happened in jiu-jitsu many times. | ||
| There's been many foldings and unfoldings. | ||
| Are you with me, my brothers? | ||
| And I'm just like, no, I'm with myself. | ||
| I'm just a blue belt. | ||
| I'm just a 12-year-old blue belt over here. | ||
| I don't really care. | ||
| Well, I guess I understand it because a really popular school can be incredibly lucrative. | ||
| And there's so many schools. | ||
| That's one of the weird things about California. | ||
| People who live in places without a lot of jiu-jitsu, they would go crazy here. | ||
| They wouldn't know where to go. | ||
| Where we are right now, we could drive in three minutes and go to five jiu-jitsu places. | ||
| I need you to recommend somewhere for me to train while I'm down here. | ||
| I'll get you a bunch of places. | ||
| But I mean, we're in the valley. | ||
| There's a place in Encino. | ||
| There's a place over here in Woodland Hills. | ||
| There's a place in Canoga Park. | ||
| There's a place over there. | ||
| There's a place over here. | ||
| That would be weird. | ||
| I didn't even think about that. | ||
| Being in an area where there's no jiu-jitsu. | ||
| Oh, there's places. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, one of the things when Bourdain was really getting into jiu-jitsu, he was training every day, even on the road. | ||
| So he would travel. | ||
| It's easy. | ||
| Well, sometimes it's easy. | ||
| It's hard when you're a celebrity. | ||
| He would send me text messages about shitting out bone fragments because dudes would just be smashing him. | ||
| Because, you know, they wanted to sort of make an example out of some celebrity guy who wants to learn jiu-jitsu. | ||
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So stupid. | |
| Crushing him. | ||
| But, you know, he would go to like when he was in Bozeman, when he was in Montana, there was no jujitsu there. | ||
| So he had to go to like a club. | ||
| I think it was in Billings or something like that. | ||
| So he had to travel to where they did this club and it was just a bunch of like enthusiasts that would get together. | ||
| It wasn't even like real teaching. | ||
| That's great. | ||
| You know, and he would train with them. | ||
| Play, like, have a TV with the video up. | ||
| That shit works. | ||
| And then work the move. | ||
| If you have a good video and a good athlete, you can learn something from that. | ||
| Or can-do attitude and a little bit of elbow grease. | ||
| A little bit of that, too. | ||
| I mean, I think there's never been a better time to do that than now, with all the YouTube videos. | ||
| I mean, it's really an incredible time. | ||
| Even if you're not in a place with really good jiu-jitsu, you can learn. | ||
| You can definitely find somebody who's good. | ||
| Don't you think you really need someone to go, no, no, here, now go like this. | ||
| And you're like, oh, there's the little subtle adjustments that someone knows from years and years and years of training. | ||
| It's all about the sensitivity of leverage. | ||
| It's just that sweet spot. | ||
| I mean, in Muay Thai, the Thai clinch, it's just that little difference of when you're putting the elbows into right in here and pulling into that little hook area. | ||
| Right, behind your head. | ||
| Right there. | ||
| I was working, helping some of the MMA guys at Gorilla with their tie clinch, and one of the wrestlers was grabbing up there. | ||
| Grabbing the back of your head? | ||
| Yeah, and it kind of looks like they're going to make out at a high school dance. | ||
| They try not to laugh, but it's hard. | ||
| That's funny. | ||
| I'm sure they want to laugh at me when I wrestle. | ||
| You just say it that way. | ||
| Say it to them. | ||
| I did. | ||
| And then they'd realize it. | ||
| I was like, don't kiss him, man. | ||
| Don't kiss him. | ||
| Maybe later. | ||
| This is not right now. | ||
| That is such an underutilized technique. | ||
| You know, a good plum. | ||
| Someone with a good Muay Thai clinch. | ||
| I mean, if you haven't felt it before, when someone can really grab... | ||
| I remember when Anderson Silva fought Rich Franklin, and Rich Franklin just did not know what to do with it. | ||
| Because Anderson grabbed a hold of it and just started smashing him with knees. | ||
| And you realize, like, the fucking clinch. | ||
| The way he would do it is so locked down. | ||
| He had such technique. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But what's funny to me as a Muay Thai world champion or ex-Muay Thai world champion is that I watch these things and I go, dude, that's so fucking easy to neutralize. | ||
| Like you're just going to go like this. | ||
| He didn't know what to do. | ||
| You don't have to be in that situation. | ||
| He didn't know what to do. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But I mean, to this day, there's still fights that I'll watch in the UFC where I'll see their grappling and I'll just go, Jesus fucking Christ, get your foot. | ||
| What are you doing? | ||
| This is white belt stuff. | ||
| This is blue belt stuff. | ||
| It surprises me when I watch that because I think like, you know, what do I know? | ||
| I'm like a high level striker. | ||
| But I'm like, you don't fucking know this? | ||
| And you're in the UFC? You don't fucking know this? | ||
| How do you not fucking know this? | ||
| You're dealing with people that come from all over the world, right? | ||
| Like, when Francis Ngannou fought Stipe Miocic for the title, right? | ||
| Literally, this really recent heavyweight... | ||
| I don't ever want to watch that again. | ||
| Yeah, it was rough to watch. | ||
| Ever. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Ever. | |
| Terrible. | ||
| I don't really like watching heavyweights fight that much. | ||
| Why is that? | ||
| It's a little too slow. | ||
| It's usually not as technical. | ||
| That's true, but when they land... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I know. | ||
| But I mean, you can get people that are smaller and more technical and faster and they can land heavy punches too. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| Maybe because you're there live so you can feel the ground shake. | ||
| Or me, I'm just watching on the TV so I don't feel it. | ||
| Did you see when Francis knocked out Alistair Wolverine? | ||
| I think I did. | ||
| I think you need to see it again. | ||
| I think you need to see that again. | ||
| This is some life changing shit. | ||
| Watch this. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Watch this. | ||
| I know. | ||
| Look at this. | ||
| But with this left hook. | ||
| Whomp! | ||
| But it's crazy that he's so scary and his striking is so dangerous that even Alistair, a guy who's been around forever, he fought so wild and open. | ||
| His hands were down. | ||
| Yeah, where was his head movement? | ||
| And where was his head movement? | ||
| I mean, he was moved a little bit in the beginning. | ||
| The consequences are so scary. | ||
| Did you notice that in MMA? Yeah. | ||
| Very little head movement. | ||
| No head movement. | ||
| Yeah, very little. | ||
| No head movement. | ||
| Some guys are picking up... | ||
| Muay Thai, too. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| No, especially Muay Thai. | ||
| No head movement. | ||
| Right, a lot of straight center line. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Well, when I think guys like Simon Marcus start working with Floyd Mayweather Sr. When did you start working with him? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| How long has he been with him? | ||
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I don't know. | |
| I just watch videos online. | ||
| Like, I want to see before enough. | ||
| Can I see one? | ||
| Simon Marcus, number one. | ||
| I want to see improvements. | ||
| I'm sure he's improving, but I don't know. | ||
| He's still pretty young. | ||
| I mean, Simon's only like 30. Simon Marcus, number one on Instagram. | ||
| I think the real problem with Muay Thai and even with kickboxing is just a lack of promotion and a lack of understanding from the general public. | ||
| To me, I get very excited whenever a glory event is on. | ||
| Here he is. | ||
| Whenever a glory event is on, give me a little. | ||
| Here it is. | ||
| It's been an amazing year. | ||
| It's an honor and pleasure to be able to work with boxing legend Floyd Miller Jr. Before I left the gym, he said, kid, you're going to be all right. | ||
| See, it looks good there, you know? | ||
| But, I mean, you're talking about a guy with just a tremendous amount of understanding of boxing. | ||
| Did you ever see when he fought Sugar Ray Leonard? | ||
| He's bending his legs, finally. | ||
| Simon Marcus. | ||
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Right. | |
| Oh, he's shifting his weight, too. | ||
| As opposed to, like, the Muay Thai style. | ||
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Uh-huh, uh-huh. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| It's hard for him, though. | ||
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Mm-hmm. | |
| You see, it's not, like, it's not loose and easy. | ||
| It's like... | ||
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Right. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But it's hard for him to rotate. | ||
| Yeah, isn't it interesting? | ||
| Because he's a world champion and he's a devastating striker and he's fucked a lot of people up. | ||
| But the limitations of the style that he imposes and the way he does it when he's trying to learn a different, more smooth way of doing things, you see the stiffness. | ||
| So in the boxing, they generate that power from the feet and the rotating and the, you know what I mean? | ||
| Kind of like a gas pedal and a brake. | ||
| They're like, uh, uh, uh, uh. | ||
| And in Muay Thai, it's not like that. | ||
| When they punch, they're like, mm, mm. | ||
| When you say it, explain it for people just listening, because that's probably half the crowd. | ||
| Sorry. | ||
| They're like, what the fuck is this bitch doing? | ||
| For instance, the rear foot would be the gas, and then the front foot would be the brake. | ||
| So you hit the gas, and you're going to go into the sprint, but as soon as you start getting the velocity for the sprint, you, bam, put the brake down. | ||
| And then with that counter, the contradiction, the opposing forces, it erupts out the top from your arms and your fists into a powerful punch. | ||
| And I think with Muay Thai, they just like step forward instead of rotating from their feet and their torso. | ||
| Is there a benefit to that or does it complement the style of kicking? | ||
| Probably more complementing the style of kicking. | ||
| But I think that if you allow for rotation in your punches, you allow for the rotation in your feet so you can generate more power in your punches, you can still then take the necessary step out at an angle and then stepping high with your feet. | ||
| And get a great kick too. | ||
| You can have both. | ||
| Who do you think does it the best? | ||
| Who do you think combines the two things the best? | ||
| Oh, I love Petrosian. | ||
| Petrosian's one of the best ever. | ||
| Fuckin' love that guy. | ||
| So technical. | ||
| He's amazing. | ||
| He's amazing. | ||
| That was what we were gonna watch. | ||
| Petrosian versus Andy Sauer. | ||
| And Masato's face. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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I think it's about time to get the fuck out of this sport. | |
| What the fuck? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| That was so good. | ||
| Well, Petrosian stills at the top of the game. | ||
| How many years has it been? | ||
| It's been a bunch. | ||
| Ten? | ||
| I mean, he lost to Andy Ristey, right? | ||
| Was it Andy Ristey that KO'd him? | ||
| What? | ||
| That's another one. | ||
|
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I want to deal with paper, but I need to see this. | |
| Giorgio Petrosian's Instagram. | ||
| Is this where he got KO'd, or is this the Sour Fight? | ||
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This is the Sour Fight. | |
| This is the Sour Fight. | ||
| He was so young here. | ||
| Wow, it might not be in RISTI. See, you can't Google it while you're doing this, can you? | ||
| We'll get to that afterwards, but yeah. | ||
| Oh, and so Sauer had this cut under his eye. | ||
| Before the fight. | ||
| Yeah, and then it kind of goes bleeding a little bit. | ||
| And this is assumptive on my part, but in his eyes, when you look at him interacting with the doctor, it looks like, oh yeah, yeah, it's bad. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| It's further down in the fight. | ||
| Well, Giorgio is so technical. | ||
| And one of the more interesting things to me with Giorgio is watching him train, because a lot of it is drilling. | ||
| I mean, they do so much drilling. | ||
| Well, that makes sense because then you can get out of the way. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, he knows exactly what to do. | ||
| His brain and his mind are in sync with what to do in the middle of a furious battle so that he doesn't have to think too much. | ||
| So see that Masato's excited. | ||
| He's like, excited. | ||
| This is exciting. | ||
| What's going to happen? | ||
| Not towards the end. | ||
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Uh-uh. | |
| Look at those fucking horses. | ||
| K-1 is awesome. | ||
| K-1 is fucking amazing. | ||
| I just wish that kickboxing got more press and more excitement in America because I think it's more exciting than boxing. | ||
| There's more to look at. | ||
| With American champions, you're seeing fantastic knockouts. | ||
| You're seeing amazing wins. | ||
| The only one who's really doing all the sports at a high level is Gaston. | ||
| Okay, see look. | ||
| Look at his face now. | ||
| He's like, wait a minute. | ||
| This is after the first round. | ||
| Yeah, he's like, oh shit. | ||
| Does this go to the distance? | ||
| Yeah, I think it did. | ||
| Get into the end rounds when Petrosian really starts tuning him up. | ||
| He's so interesting because he would just sort of find out where your openings were, where the rhythm was, where to move and where not to move, and where you're making mistakes. | ||
| Like a computer. | ||
| And you'd just see him plug in the techniques to fill those holes. | ||
| And you'd see like the little subtle steps and, you know... | ||
| He always knows what you're going to throw next, or where you're going to be, or what you're going to do, you know? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He's so amazing. | ||
| Oh, there's the cut. | ||
| He's one of the best ever, for sure. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And just an interesting guy to watch. | ||
| He doesn't look like he's doing much. | ||
| Like, look at that. | ||
| He barely moved. | ||
| Right, doesn't look like he's doing much different. | ||
| Like, Sour's like, in and out, bouncing, da-da-da. | ||
| But Petrosian's just right there. | ||
| He's barely moving. | ||
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Look at that. | |
| Just moving just enough. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Somebody KO'd him in glory. | ||
| And like I said, I think it's Andy Ristie. | ||
| Pull up Giorgio Petrosian's record. | ||
| I'm like, what? | ||
| Yeah, it was really shocking. | ||
| And it was in the big Madison Square Garden debut. | ||
| Oh, Ristie is black, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's like lanky. | ||
| Power Striker. | ||
| Did I see this? | ||
| I think it was Ristie. | ||
| I might have seen this. | ||
| Is it Ristie? | ||
| Yeah, it was. | ||
| He hits fucking hard. | ||
| And he caught Giorgio and boom, the lights went out. | ||
| Yeah, first round, too. | ||
|
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What? | |
| Yeah, it was crazy. | ||
| And again, this was like, Glory had seriously hyped up the fact that Giorgio Petrosian is one of the best ever, and undefeated, fantastic record, and Andy Ristey. | ||
| Maybe it was the beard. | ||
| I don't think it was. | ||
| I think he just got clipped. | ||
| And maybe it was also a lot of pressure, right? | ||
| You know, fighting in Madison Square Garden, fighting in glory, glory, putting all this stuff behind him. | ||
| You know, the thing is, too, nobody ever knows what the fuck is going on with a fighter when they're coming into a fight, right? | ||
| You could be dealing with injuries, sickness, training camp, bad weight cut, girlfriend. | ||
| I was talking to a friend of mine, and they were talking about how they were dealing with their coach. | ||
| Drug use. | ||
| Their coach had a drug problem. | ||
| And they weren't there for them for the fight. | ||
| And so they went into a world title defense like that. | ||
| You say it wasn't the first round. | ||
| I was wrong. | ||
| Because it looks like here we are in the second or third. | ||
| This is the third? | ||
| This is the third. | ||
| So it was in the third round. | ||
| My memory is not that good. | ||
| See? | ||
| This guy just made a brawl. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| He just made it ugly. | ||
| He's like, no respect. | ||
| He also fucking hits super hard, man. | ||
| That's part of the problem. | ||
| This is surprising because Petrosian usually doesn't get entangled like this. | ||
| He's really good at keeping... | ||
| Can we see that again? | ||
| Oh, they'll play it again. | ||
| He's really good at... | ||
| Damn. | ||
| Left hand. | ||
| Keeping space, yeah? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He's really good at maintaining a good range for himself, but he's getting all entangled up here. | ||
| Yeah, I wonder what he thinks about this fight. | ||
| I would love to hear it. | ||
| I would love to hear, like, what was wrong. | ||
| Like, what leading up to this fight. | ||
| He speaks Italian. | ||
| Get a translator. | ||
| Oh, fuck. | ||
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Okay. | |
| I've done that before with Yoel Romero. | ||
| I had Joey Diaz translate for Yoel Romero. | ||
| Have you seen that meme of him? | ||
| Which one? | ||
| Like it or not. | ||
| This is a 40-year-old not on steroids jammed full of Jesus. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| Oh. | ||
| Like it or not. | ||
| He's standing there like this. | ||
|
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That's amazing. | |
| He's a genetic freak. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But, you know, he was on the podcast. | ||
| He was talking about it. | ||
| He's like, go to Cuba. | ||
| He goes, like, everybody looks like me. | ||
| He's like, there's fucking jeans down there. | ||
| But it kind of makes sense. | ||
| You know? | ||
| I mean, the slave trade led to all these, like... | ||
|
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Breeding. | |
| And not just that, but also high-level athletic pursuits, right? | ||
| Because they're just... | ||
| They put so much emphasis on athletes. | ||
| And so much emphasis on, you know... | ||
| They probably have athletes. | ||
| Fuck other athletes. | ||
| You know? | ||
| I mean, if you get Serena Williams and LeBron James to have a kid, what are the odds that kid's not a bad motherfucker? | ||
| It's zero percent, right? | ||
| That kid would be a beast, right? | ||
| He'd be a super athlete. | ||
| They should sell their egg or their sperm. | ||
| Oh, sell everything. | ||
| Sell it all. | ||
| Put it together, combine it, mix it up. | ||
| I'd love to see that. | ||
| Can you imagine if, like, two super athletes just decided, like, hey, baby, I got an idea. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| Like, let's just find out how we can get along. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Let's just make a kid. | ||
| Not even like, you know, hey baby, just like, hey, you want to just do a thing? | ||
| Yeah, but then you have to raise a kid and not fuck it up. | ||
| That's the thing. | ||
| It could be like a business contract. | ||
| Yes, but here's the thing, and this I wanted to talk to you about, because I know you had a rough childhood. | ||
| The reality is, a certain amount of fucking you up gives you a certain amount of fuel that allows you to accomplish things that a person with a cushy life and always had a warm bed and always had plenty of love. | ||
| You have a gear, right? | ||
| For sure. | ||
| Yeah, you have a gear that someone who lived a wonderful life with perfect environment and perfect upbringing probably doesn't have. | ||
| It's more like, okay, I'll do it alone. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, oh, okay. | ||
| Right, but it's also the need to do it alone. | ||
| The need to prove people. | ||
| The need to show people. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| For sure. | ||
| Everybody I know that's interesting had a fucked up childhood. | ||
| Really? | ||
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Yep. | |
| I don't know anybody that didn't... | ||
| You too? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Huh. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| I haven't talked to my dad since I was seven. | ||
| He's alive. | ||
| He's got the same name as me. | ||
| You're so cuddly and not bitter. | ||
| Well, I'm a nice person. | ||
| And I have a lot of nice friends. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But I've cultivated this. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| This is something that I've actively cultivated for decades. | ||
| I've worked really hard to be a nice person. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| And I know the benefit of being a nice person, like how it makes me feel, how it makes other people feel. | ||
| And I know that that spreads and it makes other people nicer. | ||
| And I try, I work on it hard. | ||
| Keep the wolf in a cage. | ||
| Always. | ||
| Let it out sometimes. | ||
| Sometimes. | ||
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Sometimes. | |
| I remember one time you and I were at a Muay Thai event together. | ||
| You were there and I ran into you there. | ||
| It's funny watching fights with you because you were gritting your teeth and then you looked over me and you go, don't you want to just fuck somebody up? | ||
| Don't you want to just smash somebody's fucking face? | ||
| I'm like, damn, Miriam, I've got to get the fuck away from you. | ||
| When was this? | ||
| It was a long time ago in LA. Remember LA had that pro Muay Thai thing where... | ||
| Who fought? | ||
| Bukau fought. | ||
| It was a good event. | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| So you know what that was? | ||
| It was Muay Thai League. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| So you know what it was? | ||
| What? | ||
| I had an ACL surgery. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And I couldn't fight. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| And I was supposed to fight. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I was seething. | ||
| Yes, you were seething. | ||
| I was fucking... | ||
| I was fucking seething. | ||
| And I was watching these fights and they were fucking garbage. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And I couldn't fight. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, that was 2000. Oh, I remember that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| God damn it. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I was like, oh, I would beat these bitches. | ||
| I really wish that event took off because that was fun. | ||
| It was great having that in LA. Ernesto Hoos was doing the commentary as well. | ||
| And, um, yeah. | ||
| Didn't Valentina fight in that? | ||
| I think she did. | ||
| I would have been very curious to see how Valentina versus Julie Kitchen would have turned out. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Well, I'm really curious to see how she does in the UFC at 125 pounds. | ||
| She's a beast because... | ||
| She's going to be strong at that weight. | ||
| That's her weight. | ||
| She's not a 135er. | ||
| Do you see how she looks like fighter fit? | ||
| Like lean and cut and ripped. | ||
| Like even her legs. | ||
| When she was 135, her legs looked soft. | ||
| And she's still winning. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| She dropped Holly Holm. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| I mean, Holly Holm's like a 145-er. | ||
| Probably. | ||
| Well, she fought at 145. Comfortably be at 145. It's not like, oh, they're going at 135 or going up to 145. She's like a big-ass 135-er. | ||
| And she went the distance with Cyborg at 145, which is a fucking... | ||
| That's a statement in and of itself. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| Well, it's just a boxer. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So they're used to getting hit. | ||
| It's different. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| You know? | ||
| Yeah, and I think she got fucked in the title fight when she fought Durandamy. | ||
| I think she should have won that fight. | ||
| For sure. | ||
| I really do. | ||
| And the cheap shot. | ||
| The cheap shot. | ||
| Two cheap shots. | ||
| Two of them after the bell. | ||
| One of them that significantly hurt her. | ||
| I think points should have been taken away, for sure. | ||
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Yep, yep, yep. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| It's a crazy sport. | ||
| Holly Holm's amazing. | ||
| She is. | ||
| As a person. | ||
| I've never met her. | ||
| She's the sweetest person ever. | ||
| She seems really sweet. | ||
| I was listening to her interviews. | ||
| She seems just like a really uplifted, genuine person. | ||
| A super humble person. | ||
| She really is, which is one of the weirder moments. | ||
| Why it was such a weird moment, rather, when Ronda Rousey at the weigh-ins was like, you fucking bitch, you're a fucking fake. | ||
| And it was weird. | ||
| It was almost like she wanted her to be the enemy so that she could get amped up to kick her ass. | ||
| So she was saying a bunch of things that didn't even make sense. | ||
| Maybe Rhonda was kind of at a breaking point, too, just as far as, like, workload, stress level, expectations, you know, obligations. | ||
| And when I saw that weigh-in, actually, I watched that probably at least five times. | ||
| Like, I just replayed it because I like to watch people interact and how they react. | ||
| I love it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I noticed, like, when I saw that, I'm like, oh, Holly's got this. | ||
| And I wish I'd fucking bet money. | ||
| I totally wish I did. | ||
| But I was watching and I was like, oh. | ||
| Just thought because Rhonda seemed so emotional. | ||
| It was the way Holly reacted. | ||
| That's why. | ||
| She just like, Rhonda came in her space. | ||
| Holly just like stepped back, like kept proper distance, you know, like defensive distance. | ||
| Super, super low key. | ||
| Watch her reaction. | ||
| Yeah, she stayed calm for sure. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's skinny Rhonda, too. | ||
| That's weighing Rhonda, which is like, she's depleted. | ||
| Yeah, she was kind of... | ||
| Look how much difference she lived when she was weighing in. | ||
| But they... | ||
| They tied up, and Holly didn't give any ground, either. | ||
| Uh-uh. | ||
| She's just like... | ||
| She stayed calm. | ||
| She backed up, but she backed up like, I'm ready to hit you. | ||
| Backed up. | ||
| She didn't back up like, ugh. | ||
| And then so Rhonda was super emotional, too. | ||
| She was funny. | ||
| She was like, I was just trying to get a drink. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| I just thought I was having a drink. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It was great. | ||
| And then Rhonda was like... | ||
| She was super... | ||
| Right? | ||
| And you never saw her like that. | ||
| You're like, what the fuck? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I think you nailed it as far as the breaking point. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| She got sucked into all the Hollywood bullshit. | ||
| They were putting her in movies and TV shows and she was on different talk shows. | ||
| Well, it was the hype too. | ||
| Like, oh, could she beat Cain Velasquez? | ||
| Could she? | ||
| You know? | ||
| And it's like... | ||
| Oh my god, look what she's doing to these women. | ||
| Remember that? | ||
| Wow. | ||
| She was a superstar. | ||
| Look, I was a part of it. | ||
| She still is. | ||
| She is now. | ||
| She's still a superstar. | ||
| Now she's a WWE superstar. | ||
| It's just a different kind of superstar. | ||
| She should come back. | ||
| You think she should? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| What makes you say that? | ||
| Don't go out like that. | ||
| This is Miriam talking, though. | ||
| She's a different person. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| She deserves better than to go out the way, you know, her last fight. | ||
| Well, she deserves exactly what she got. | ||
| No, no. | ||
| This is what I think. | ||
| She's better than that, is what I'm saying. | ||
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I think you're right. | |
| I think you're right that she's better than that. | ||
| I'm not saying, oh, it's bad that she got punched like that. | ||
| No, no, no, no, no. | ||
| I'm saying she deserves better than that to, like, represent herself better. | ||
| Her legacy. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| I don't think that... | ||
| I don't think that matters to her as much as it matters to other folks. | ||
| I think she really cemented her legacy as one of the greatest women's MMA champions ever and a pioneer. | ||
| But I also think that women's MMA has evolved so fast. | ||
| That within the brief time that she was running shit, the sport passed her by. | ||
| And when you see... | ||
| The one that I was always worried about with her was Amanda. | ||
| Because I was like, Amanda Nunes has a black belt in Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu and nasty hands. | ||
| Like, to me... | ||
| And Judo too, right? | ||
| I think she has some Judo. | ||
| I don't know what her ranking is in Judo. | ||
| She's not belted in Judo? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| She could be. | ||
| But I know she's a black belt in Jiu-Jitsu, and I know she had heavy hands. | ||
| And my thought was that Ronda, although she was developing good striking skills, she's known for her Judo in her armbars. | ||
| That's her big thing. | ||
| And the striking skills were sort of like something that was happening along the way, and she was starting to catch girls. | ||
| But she was catching girls like Betch Koheya. | ||
| Alexis Davis. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And beating them down when she gets them down. | ||
| They're not nearly on the level of an Amanda Nunes. | ||
| Like, you're not going to catch her like that. | ||
| Or Holly Holm. | ||
| Right, exactly. | ||
| And my thought was that if it was going to go down, it was going to be Amanda because Amanda just hit so fucking hard. | ||
| And then so when she came back and immediately fought for the world title against Amanda. | ||
| She needed a gimme. | ||
| Fuck yeah. | ||
| Well, she needed a different camp. | ||
| And I think that's fair. | ||
| She needed a revamping of her approach. | ||
| She needed a lot of things. | ||
| She needed a lot of things. | ||
| Because people knew, first of all, she never shoots for doubles. | ||
| She's not taking you down with a lower body attack. | ||
| It's always upper body. | ||
| And it's always a clinch. | ||
| And she clinches with her left arm. | ||
| I mean, Greg Jackson and Jackson Winklejohn, they all figured that out. | ||
| And Holly had the solution for that. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| You know? | ||
| And also this other thing is when you get fucking head kicked into oblivion that way, like you need a lot of time off, a lot of time with no sparring, no nothing. | ||
| Especially just being so high, like being so untouchable and high and then coming crashing down to earth like that. | ||
| It's rough. | ||
| That's definitely like a big who am I moment, I think. | ||
| I'm sure. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because there's a whole world, too. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But you were talking about you trying to figure out who you are when you couldn't train anymore. | ||
| And I had that on such a... | ||
| Small scale. | ||
| Private scale. | ||
| Private scale. | ||
| Large personally, but private. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And hers is the world. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| The whole world. | ||
| And mine was more tragic, and hers was more humiliating. | ||
| How was yours more tragic? | ||
| It happened in the third round of a fight. | ||
| A world title of MMA. It happened on a takedown. | ||
| It wasn't a takedown that twerked or tweaked my knee or grabbed on my knee. | ||
| I pushed against them while my body was like this parallel to the ground and I tore my own ACL. Yeah. | ||
| So it was like... | ||
| Why is that more tragic? | ||
| Because it was more like... | ||
| No, no, no, no, no. | ||
| No? | ||
| No, no, no, no. | ||
| I think it's more humiliating to get knocked out, in my opinion, to get knocked out... | ||
| Sure. | ||
| ...than it is to get, like... | ||
| Injured out. | ||
| Like tear out. | ||
| Like still fighting. | ||
| And then you step back and everything slips and you fall. | ||
| Because your knee can't. | ||
| It's gone. | ||
| That's what I mean when I say tragic. | ||
| Or if you're like winning the fight. | ||
| Unfortunate. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, so it's more... | ||
| Unfortunate, and then your identity's stripped away, but again, yours is private, hers is public. | ||
| But at least you understand what it's like to not be that person who you... | ||
| You counted on you being that person as part of your shield that you put on to go through the day. | ||
| Yeah, for sure. | ||
| For sure. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Her persona. | ||
| She was damn good at it, too. | ||
| And then it's like stripped away. | ||
| Well, she was the first... | ||
| Well, Gina Carano was the first, right? | ||
| That people sort of identified with. | ||
| Like, wow, here's this pretty girl who kicks ass. | ||
| And this is crazy. | ||
| We've never seen this before. | ||
| But it was at a smaller scale. | ||
| People just didn't... | ||
| They didn't kind of understand who she was or what she was. | ||
| I mean, it wasn't as big yet, too. | ||
| It wasn't nearly as big. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| Tiny in comparison. | ||
|
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| But then when Ronda came along, it was like this perfect storm. | ||
| It's like the UFC was huge. | ||
| Everything was taking off. | ||
| And then here's this girl who's just fucking everybody up. | ||
| Hers was much more violent to me than Gina's. | ||
| Like, you're getting slammed. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And just like, you know what I mean? | ||
| And getting your arm broke. | ||
| Yeah, basically. | ||
| Like, gruesome. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Super gruesome. | ||
| When she fought Misha and cranked her arm all fucked up. | ||
| Yeah, and Misha was amazing. | ||
| She wouldn't even tap. | ||
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Fuck. | |
| Fuck, man. | ||
| Snapped her arm in half. | ||
| Goddamn. | ||
| Yeah, and she's still not tapping. | ||
| It's like a tearing the chicken. | ||
|
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Exactly. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, Misha's a badass for that one. | ||
| Now, during all this time, I mean, this is... | ||
| When Ronda's taking off and when Holly's taking off and Amanda Nunes is taking off, all this time is when you're at your peak. | ||
| You're at your peak as a fighter and then you're dealing with all these fucking injuries and you're working your way to get into this circus. | ||
| I mean, you're working your way to step into this arena. | ||
| I mean, this is like, ultimately, this was your goal. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| What the fuck is that like, to be just sitting down there dealing with all this bullshit? | ||
| Watching everybody else do it? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It was maddening. | ||
| Well, I think about the time that I was sitting next to you watching those fights. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And you're like, do you want to fucking smash someone? | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| You're making me fucking nervous. | ||
| It was worse, actually. | ||
| So that time I only blew up to 165. This time I blew up to 186. Damn. | ||
| Yeah, it was big. | ||
|
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That's almost 190. That's almost 190, which is almost 200. Yeah, exactly. | |
| Exactly. | ||
| And I was drinking, and it was an eating ride, and it was, yeah, just a bunch of stuff. | ||
| So how'd you turn it around? | ||
| Ultimately, I think... | ||
| So I taught Rock Study Boxing. | ||
| Rock Study Boxing is a program for people with Parkinson's disease and it teaches them how to box and that helps them with their symptoms and their quality. | ||
| It improves their quality of life and gives them a sense of, gives them a community to be in. | ||
| And the interesting about Rock Study Boxing was I thought I was going to be, it was a terrible fit and I was terrified that I was going to hurt them and it actually was the best fit. | ||
| And they loved being in my classes and I loved teaching them and like honestly they healed my heart. | ||
| Like they healed that not good enough that I felt. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Yeah, it was pretty crazy. | ||
| So teaching and helping people is what brought it around for you. | ||
| Yeah, and understanding that... | ||
| I think I definitely understand my body is doing this and I want to do that. | ||
| And I can't do anything about it. | ||
| And that frustration, and it's infuriating, and I'm watching them go through what they go through. | ||
| And it's just incredible. | ||
| And they just show up and they... | ||
| They just work so hard and they're just fighting. | ||
| It's great Little grandmas and grandpas. | ||
|
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Wow. | |
| Yeah, did you see the Rock City video? | ||
| No the uber? - Sure. | ||
| The Uber? | ||
| Yeah, the Uber did a mini-documentary on me. | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| No, I've never seen it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| How long is the mini-documentary? | ||
| Can we watch it? | ||
| Ten minutes. | ||
| No, we'll get kicked off the internet if we pull it off. | ||
| We put it on YouTube. | ||
| People always claim it. | ||
| We got our videos taken down, unfortunately. | ||
| Oh. | ||
| But I'll watch it afterwards and I'll tweet it. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| I'll put it up. | ||
| That's fucking awesome, though. | ||
| It might make you tear up a little bit. | ||
| I tear up easy. | ||
| Me too. | ||
| I'm a crier. | ||
| It's not just like sad. | ||
| I'm happy. | ||
| I'll cry. | ||
| Actually, after you asked me to be on this podcast, I was having moments of like kind of crying all ever since. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Coming back to fighting, Kiryan was like, we were talking about a game plan about coming back. | ||
| And he's like, okay, so this is what I think. | ||
| I think, you know, getting the right fight, like getting a Muay Thai fight, maybe WBC diamond belt. | ||
| And that is like, all I wanted. | ||
| When I was active fighting five years, that's all I fucking wanted. | ||
| Like it broke my heart, hurt my heart that they wouldn't sanction that for women. | ||
| It was so frustrating to me. | ||
| And he's talking about that, and he's like, yeah, we'll get this fight, and then that'll be your way to come back. | ||
| And I'm like, I don't give a fuck. | ||
| I don't want another world title. | ||
| I have enough. | ||
| How much fucking good enough do I need to be? | ||
| I'm done. | ||
| I just want to be paid. | ||
| Just fuck you, pay me. | ||
| That's all I want. | ||
| You say that, but once you start preparing... | ||
| No, I'm still going to do the fucking best of my ability. | ||
| I would take a fight that's $1,500, $3,000 for a world title to get a chance to fight for that world title. | ||
| Now I'm like, hell no. | ||
| I will take a non-world title fight that pays more over a world title opportunity. | ||
| Well, are you looking to compete now in MMA? Are you looking to compete in Muay Thai? | ||
| Are you looking to compete in kickboxing? | ||
| I'm looking to compete in whatever pays me. | ||
| You're in cha-ching! | ||
| You're in dollar mode. | ||
| When you asked me to be on this podcast, and I was like, holy shit, so this in turn would get my followers up, which in turn would make it so I could get paid more the next time I fight. | ||
| Do you see that? | ||
| I see what you're saying. | ||
| Yeah, and I was just like, oh my god, this is so, like, thank you so much. | ||
| And I was just like, you know, I was just feeling like my eyes blowing up with tears. | ||
| And I felt a little nervous. | ||
| I was like, oh my god, there's like how many subscribers on this shit? | ||
| You can't pay attention to that. | ||
| You seem like you're doing a good job of not paying attention to it. | ||
| I'm microdosing today. | ||
| No. | ||
| But what I said to myself, because I did feel very nervous, and I do still, but what I said to myself was like, well, it wouldn't be happening if you weren't ready. | ||
| So this didn't happen before when you were active fighting, you're winning all these world titles, like, you weren't ready. | ||
| So you're ready now. | ||
| Well, that's a good attitude. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But I would have had John back then, too. | ||
| I wasn't ready. | ||
| I'm sure you would have been fine. | ||
| No, no, I wasn't ready. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, for sure. | ||
| Because I think I didn't know myself the way I know myself now. | ||
| I didn't trust myself. | ||
| I didn't have everything taken, all my strength taken away from me. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And then... | ||
| Come out of it by my... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, like, one of the things that the rock-steady boxing got me back and, like, helped heal my heart, but also the other thing was, like, I kept trying to train. | ||
| I kept trying to get better. | ||
| I kept trying to, you know, and lose weight, but my knee was still fucking with me, and I'd get inflammation and this and that, and so finally I just said, you know what? | ||
| I think Dominic Cruz did this, too, where he's just like, maybe I don't get to fight again. | ||
| Like, maybe that's just what it is. | ||
| And I... I'm not crying. | ||
| You're crying. | ||
| It's okay. | ||
| You can cry. | ||
| I've cried on this podcast before. | ||
| I made peace with that. | ||
| And then things started getting better. | ||
| I don't know if it's... | ||
| I don't know why or how, but somehow fixating it wouldn't let me move forward. | ||
| It just kept holding on to it when it wasn't working. | ||
| I just said, okay, then I don't get to fight again. | ||
| All right, let it go. | ||
| And that's when it came back to me. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Do you think that, well, I think that for the average person that's watching this and doesn't understand this fixation on fighting, I think it comes back to what we were talking about before, that it's so difficult and so rewarding and so impossible. | ||
| And you're finding out about yourself during this struggle. | ||
| It is my therapy. | ||
| So I used to do a lot of drugs. | ||
| I used to do math where I weighed 126 pounds. | ||
| I'm 5'9". | ||
| That's not normal for me. | ||
| And I did so much partying, so much drugs, so much self-abuse, and then I started training. | ||
| And I used to smoke a pack of Marble Reds a day. | ||
| I would go on benders and stay up like four or five days in a row. | ||
| I started training Muay Thai, and that's when I stopped. | ||
| It wasn't immediate. | ||
| It wasn't like, quit cold turkey. | ||
| Over time, as I moved towards the goal of fighting, and it took me, I think, five years before I fought. | ||
| So I started training Muay Thai. | ||
| It took me five fucking years. | ||
| And I stopped doing drugs. | ||
| I stopped partying. | ||
| I stopped smoking. | ||
| I started having a more disciplined, regimented lifestyle. | ||
| And it was just through fighting. | ||
| Some people get sober through working the steps. | ||
| Training was my steps. | ||
| Training was my way of... | ||
| Getting to know myself and getting to sift through what wasn't me and what was me. | ||
| I was told a lot of things that I was when I was a kid. | ||
| And I come to find out I wasn't those things. | ||
| I'm hardworking. | ||
| I'm disciplined. | ||
| I'm intelligent. | ||
| I'm all these other things that I was never told I was. | ||
| And it was all through fighting. | ||
| So, yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, fighting gave you a venue. | ||
| It gave you... | ||
| Well, then training. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| But I think fighting made me... | ||
| No, because if only I'd trained, I wouldn't have... | ||
| Gone as deep as I needed to go. | ||
| To get to the shit. | ||
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Right. | |
| That fucking, like, you know, the hard crust layer that you gotta fucking dig under and, like, get in there and sort of through that stuff. | ||
| You would've got the surface. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| You would've polished yourself up a little bit. | ||
| Yeah, but it wouldn't have... | ||
| Healed you. | ||
| Changed my makeup. | ||
| Or even allowed me to be who I am. | ||
| You know? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like right now, it's kind of a trip. | ||
| I feel like I'm in bloom. | ||
| I'm just learning faster than I ever have. | ||
| It's easy. | ||
| And like Dave was tripping out on me because he was watching me train or watching stuff I was doing. | ||
| It's so much easier to do the things without bullshit in the way. | ||
| Bullshit in your brain. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Bullshit in my brain, my emotions, these limiting beliefs about myself. | ||
| It's so much easier. | ||
| Or to finally be able to be in a space where I'm like, okay, you're doing this. | ||
| What am I doing? | ||
| Okay, I'm not matching what you're doing. | ||
| Or what are you feeling? | ||
| What am I feeling? | ||
| Where I think a lot of people, when they first start out, they just do what they're told. | ||
| Instead of questioning the concept, questioning the, you know, so it's just, I think the more mature I get, the easier, the more I know myself, so the easier it is to get the information that I need to master the thing. | ||
| Well, this is always the big race. | ||
| The big race is to achieve maturity before your body does. | ||
| There's a lot of wear and tear on this body. | ||
| On everyone's. | ||
| Especially anybody in combat sports. | ||
| Combat sports at 42. Yeah. | ||
| And to be able to achieve enough mental maturity while your body is still pliable and viable. | ||
| It still works and you can still execute. | ||
| You still have vitality. | ||
| Isn't Demetrius Johnson amazing? | ||
| Fucking amazing. | ||
| He's so amazing. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And I'm not even thinking about all the incredible things he does within a fight. | ||
| I'm thinking about his post-fight interview. | ||
| Oh, he's fantastic. | ||
| He's amazing. | ||
| Yeah, no, he's an awesome dude. | ||
| He's so just, like, right there. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Isn't he? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He's like, no, this is what I do, and this is what's going to happen, and we plan for this, and da-da-da-da, and that's it. | ||
| Super matter-of-fact. | ||
| Well, his coach, Matt Hume, is one of the greats. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| I'd love to meet that guy. | ||
| I'd just love to watch that training happen. | ||
| Just get to be able to pick up on the energy and the magic in the room. | ||
| Well, I like the fact that he's now going to 1FC. And 1FC is going to pay him a fuckload of money. | ||
| That's awesome. | ||
| And the UFC's in this weird state where the reality financially about the flyweight division is it's just not a big sell. | ||
| It's not like people are dying to watch 125 pound dudes fight. | ||
| People don't like tiny men. | ||
| That's weird. | ||
| Yeah, see for me. | ||
| Someone's going to take that as a quote. | ||
| We'll take that out of context. | ||
| Yeah, probably. | ||
| And it's going to be a picture of you standing there jacked with a six-pack with belts on. | ||
| And it's going to say, people don't like tiny men. | ||
| Like tiny men, like their other man bits or something fucking weird. | ||
| That's also a thing that people don't like. | ||
| But the thing is, like I said, I don't like watching heavyweights fight. | ||
| I like watching the smaller weights fight because usually they're more technical. | ||
| Well, he's as technical as there's ever been. | ||
| And he moves seamlessly. | ||
| This is what I was talking about, being able to be authentic, express yourself from moment to moment, and not have to play it safe and stay back and stay outside and away. | ||
| He's just in there, and he flows. | ||
| He also does what we talked about earlier, where I said that I don't think you should ever fight stupid. | ||
| That you should fight within the best place. | ||
| So you can express your abilities and your techniques the best, and that's what he does. | ||
| He has a situational condom. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| On every... | ||
| Do you know what I mean? | ||
| Even though he's being offensive, he still has protection. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| That's a situational condom. | ||
| Situational condom. | ||
| That's a funny way of putting it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That is true. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| What are you leaning towards? | ||
| I mean, I know you're saying, like, what if you get an equal offer? | ||
| An equal offer in Muay Thai, an equal offer in MMA? What would you lean towards? | ||
| I would want to do MMA, but Muay Thai would be... | ||
| Yeah, man. | ||
| Muay Thai's never fucking loved me back. | ||
| Whoa. | ||
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Never. | |
| Some serious shit right there. | ||
| That's it, man. | ||
| I'm telling you. | ||
| Muay Thai's never loved you back. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| No, so... | ||
| That's some deep childhood shit right there, Miriam. | ||
| Well, yeah. | ||
| World champion childhood. | ||
| It's like my baby beginnings as a champion. | ||
| So, do you also, first of all, you have a massive advantage in stand-up over most girls in MMA. Yeah, but it doesn't matter if I don't make the adjustment. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| You know? | ||
| Of course. | ||
| So I can't think that, like, oh, I'm better. | ||
|
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Right. | |
| Because, like, oftentimes, with a lot of MMA fighters, and Cesar Gracie said this to me, he's like, in MMA, the girls, they're like pit bulls. | ||
| Like, they don't have the technique, but they get by on the toughness. | ||
| So, like, with a pit bull, you have to kill it. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, there's a lot of that, for sure. | ||
| And that will definitely fluster the fuck out of a high-level striker. | ||
| I mean, look at the Petrosian and Ristey. | ||
| Andy Ristey. | ||
| Ristey, look at that. | ||
| Andy Ristey's pretty high-level, too, though. | ||
| But I've never seen, not that I've watched all of Petrosian's fights, but I've never seen him get entangled like that that often. | ||
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True. | |
| That is not, and Ristie just made it ugly. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He made it a brawl. | ||
| You should watch the whole fight. | ||
| It's an interesting fight. | ||
| But who knows? | ||
| Like I said, who knows where he was at, what was going on in his head, injuries, sickness, who knows what happened. | ||
| That beard? | ||
| Yeah, the beard. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Cowboy Cerrone looked as good as he's ever looked in his last fight. | ||
| Yeah, but that's Cerrone, that's not Petrosian. | ||
| Petrosian's like sexy. | ||
| He's got the sexy stand-up. | ||
| Wait, you're trying to tell me Donald Cerrone's not sexy? | ||
| Not like the way Petrosian is. | ||
| Like everything, Petrosian is like pretty. | ||
| The things he does, the way he fights, it's pretty. | ||
| Oh, I see what you're saying. | ||
| It's like, he's sexy. | ||
| He's like Petrosian. | ||
| He's Italian. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He's Giorgio. | ||
|
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Come on. | |
| Okay. | ||
| Giorgio. | ||
| Yeah, see what I mean? | ||
| He shouldn't have that fucking beard. | ||
|
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I get it. | |
| Donald. | ||
| Fucked him up. | ||
| Made him less aerodynamic. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| I don't know about that. | ||
| I'm a big believer in beard power. | ||
| So my dad had a beard growing up, and now I see all these 30-year-olds, 20-year-olds hipsters with their beard oil in their beards, and I'm just like, ugh. | ||
| It's so gross. | ||
| I have a real problem with beards with men that look like they would break real easy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know? | ||
| I can't stand men with skinny necks. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's an uncomfortable thing, right? | ||
| And like buff dudes with skinny necks. | ||
| That means they're not doing anything. | ||
| Because I'm just like, that shit's not real. | ||
|
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Right. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| You'll get fucked up. | ||
| You'll get fucked up. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That shit's not real. | ||
| You can't fight. | ||
| Your head's barely hanging on there. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| Just tear it off like a chicken. | ||
| It's true. | ||
| In the third world country where they just go like that and rip the head off the chicken. | ||
| Well, it shows a severe lack of core strength. | ||
| Because if you're doing deadlifts and if you're doing anything with your traps, you're going to develop a thick neck. | ||
| If you're doing anything where you've got to hoist things up off the ground, you ever look at those motherfuckers in the Olympics that do deadlifts? | ||
| They have giant ass necks. | ||
| They're not grappling anybody. | ||
| They have huge necks. | ||
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Okay. | |
| Yeah, because they're doing this all the time. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| That's all fucking neck and back and the whole spinal column has to be strong. | ||
| You look scary, man. | ||
| It's guys that are doing this shit. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And then they're posing. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Wait a show. | ||
| Oh man, look at the skinny neck. | ||
| Has the modern male become... | ||
| Yeah, he's got no neck. | ||
| Look how skinny his neck is. | ||
| Look at that. | ||
| That is a preposterous neck. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I feel like if you had kicked him, he might die, right? | ||
| His head's not going to stay attached. | ||
| He just snapped that shit down. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Look at Tyson's neck. | ||
| Look at that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Jesus Christ. | ||
| He's like a pit bull, isn't he? | ||
| That was the dark days right before. | ||
| That was the court when they were putting him in jail for rape. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Did he do it? | ||
| What does that article say? | ||
| If you have a... | ||
| No, I don't believe he did. | ||
| I might be wrong, but that girl, she falsely accused someone of rape earlier. | ||
|
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Oh. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| If you have a thin neck, you're most likely a beta male. | ||
| How about take out most likely? | ||
| What? | ||
|
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What? | |
| How about just you are? | ||
| You are a beta male. | ||
| Who's out there running shit with a thin neck? | ||
| You can't be running shit with a thin neck. | ||
| How could you be running shit with a thin neck? | ||
|
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Your mom's house got this guy. | |
| Oh, that neck guy? | ||
| Damn long neck. | ||
| What do you mean? | ||
|
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He's got the longest... | |
| Who's this guy? | ||
| Super skinny kid. | ||
| I have seen that guy. | ||
| I thought you were going to bring up that guy who's been in the internet memes. | ||
| The dude who's now fighting MMA. Black guy. | ||
| Whose neck starts at the top of his head and goes straight down the air. | ||
| He's got the craziest neck ever. | ||
| He's got a weird neck. | ||
| Oh, I thought it was just like distorted. | ||
| No. | ||
| Oh, that's real. | ||
| No, there's a bunch of pictures of this cat. | ||
| I've been seeing that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I was just like, oh, they just did the thing and made it. | ||
| No, they didn't do the thing. | ||
| Dude has a nutty neck. | ||
| You know, some girls have giant tits. | ||
| This guy has just a crazy neck. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, some people just have huge hands. | ||
| He's an MMA fighter? | ||
| He's going to start fighting MMA. Where's he from? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Probably Florida. | ||
| Wait, what did you do? | ||
| I bet he's from Florida. | ||
| Look at him. | ||
| Look at his neck. | ||
| He got arrested again? | ||
| What does it say? | ||
| When did he get arrested? | ||
| Look at his neck. | ||
| Well, someone's going to teach him, but what is going on with that neck? | ||
| That's his real neck. | ||
| That is fucking crazy. | ||
| That's like he's got a double neck. | ||
| Maybe he just has a small jaw. | ||
| No, that is a big neck. | ||
| What do his parents look like? | ||
| I bet they have giant necks too. | ||
| A mom or a dad? | ||
| Mom. | ||
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Mom's a thick old bulldog looking lady. | |
| First police smoke shot showed off his really big neck. | ||
| This time he's not smiling. | ||
| So it's the same. | ||
| So he's probably a power lifter or something like that. | ||
| And plus got a fucked up neck. | ||
| What's his name? | ||
| They don't know his name? | ||
| No need to blow this poor man's spot up. | ||
| Just because he's got a fucked up neck. | ||
| But I take his neck over the skinny neck. | ||
| No, I wouldn't. | ||
| You know what? | ||
| Maybe his neck is like genetically fucked up like that. | ||
| And maybe the guy with the skinny neck just doesn't work out. | ||
| Like the situation... | ||
| So that's what... | ||
| It's not... | ||
| It doesn't bug me when somebody is just... | ||
| They have, you know, a slender neck. | ||
| But when they go through so much trouble to look like an alpha male. | ||
|
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Right. | |
| But they have that little chicken neck. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And then they're posing like they're... | ||
| That's gotta be a big issue with you. | ||
| Like, as a woman. | ||
| Like, the way you interact with men. | ||
| As a world champion Muay Thai woman. | ||
| Yeah, I haven't figured that out. | ||
| You have to have a hard time with the men. | ||
| I do. | ||
| I bet you do. | ||
| I do. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because you need to get a real one. | ||
| Like, a real, real one. | ||
| Like, that's the only way it's gonna work. | ||
| Yeah, it isn't. | ||
| No. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Imagine. | ||
| It's hard out there for a pimp. | ||
| It is, right? | ||
| So I had his great boyfriend, but we went out of country. | ||
| We fought on the same card. | ||
| He fought the day before me. | ||
| I fought the next day. | ||
| During the fight, he almost gets knocked out. | ||
| As this guy is mauling him, he goes like this. | ||
| What do you think I was thinking? | ||
| Not good thoughts. | ||
| The boyfriend. | ||
| The boyfriend. | ||
| My boyfriend. | ||
| Like this. | ||
| Yeah, you didn't like it. | ||
| Fuck no. | ||
| Did it turn you off? | ||
| Oh my god, so much. | ||
| Whoa. | ||
| I was like, dude, you're getting fucked up. | ||
| And as you're falling to the canvas, you still need to go, fuck you. | ||
| You're like, fuck you. | ||
| So the way he's getting beaten was fucking with you. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| It wasn't just that he was getting beaten. | ||
| I don't care. | ||
| I don't care. | ||
| Yeah, I don't care. | ||
| That he wasn't digging in. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, you gotta fucking, like, take that shit. | ||
| Take it. | ||
| Yeah, like, you know, like a champ or like a fighter. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Yeah, you can't be like... | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Ugh. | ||
| Was that the beginning of the end? | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| And he was a great boyfriend. | ||
| He was great. | ||
| Tap, tap, tap, tap, tap. | ||
|
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Yes, it was. | |
| Tap, tap, tap. | ||
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It was. | |
| Maybe sometimes it's like that's the problem. | ||
| It's the balance. | ||
| The ones who are not going to be great boyfriends are the ones that are going to turn you on. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because they're ruthless. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I was like, I can balance that shit. | ||
| Like I said. | ||
| I can be ruthless. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And be like, gentle. | ||
| I was like, I don't... | ||
| Well, I mean, I'm sure some men can. | ||
| It's like salt, sweet, like kale chips. | ||
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It's great. | |
| Yeah, I get it. | ||
| I don't get it. | ||
| Some people can. | ||
| But I think your requirements, particularly as a fighter, are going to be extraordinarily high as a world champion fighter. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You're almost better off dating a guy who's like a Navy SEAL or something who can't fight. | ||
| Or maybe he can fight, but he's not a fighter. | ||
| He knows how to fight. | ||
| He's a killer. | ||
| He's a killer. | ||
| Not a fighter. | ||
| He's not in there. | ||
| Maybe you could relate more. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Trying to give you dating advice? | ||
| I'll try it out and I'll let you know. | ||
| Well, I think that I've noticed this. | ||
| I mean, except for the ones that are lesbians. | ||
| I always look at women who are fighters and go, hmm, like they're limited in their dating pool. | ||
| Because girls who are fighters, they don't want to date someone who can't fight. | ||
| The last thing a girl wants who's like a professional fighter. | ||
| Or if somebody was really smart. | ||
| Yeah, but even if the guy's really smart. | ||
| Because then they, like, as long as they ace me somewhere, they have to be really, you're like, no, no. | ||
| You can say that. | ||
| You're trying to find a nice man. | ||
| You're like, maybe I can compromise. | ||
| No, you need a killer. | ||
| No, what would bother me about that was like, you're a fighter, but you're not being a fighter. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I'm just like... | ||
| You're not savage enough. | ||
| Well, you're worried that if the shit hits the fan, that's what every woman is worried. | ||
| If the shit hits the fan, how do you react? | ||
| How do you react? | ||
| And you don't really know until you see someone react when the shit hits the fan. | ||
| And when you see the shit hitting the fan, you see them going, yikes! | ||
| You're like, fuck! | ||
| I can't count on you. | ||
| See, I think he would have been better outside of the fighting situation. | ||
| Outside? | ||
| If the shit hit the fan. | ||
| Oh, so in the real world. | ||
| So for me, it was definitely like fighter's ego. | ||
| Like, nah, dude, you need to have more pride than that. | ||
| Well, how you do anything is how you do everything. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Alright. | ||
| Maybe, yeah. | ||
| Especially under duress. | ||
| I mean, people make mistakes. | ||
| People panic. | ||
| People learn from those mistakes. | ||
| I mean, there are people that fold in fights that come back way stronger and will never fold because they folded before and they felt it. | ||
| Because they made a mistake. | ||
| You know, you make a split-second decision in the middle of a fight and, you know, something... | ||
| Something inside you, it exposes weakness that maybe you weren't prepared for the world to see. | ||
| And then when you feel the pain of that weakness, you make a vow that you're never going to experience that again. | ||
| That's entirely possible. | ||
| I feel like mental strength is not, I don't think you either have it or you don't have it. | ||
| I don't buy that shit. | ||
| I think you can develop it. | ||
| I think you can build it. | ||
| And I think mental toughness and just the ability to persevere is something that you can cultivate. | ||
| I really believe that. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| So maybe he needed to feel shying away and feel you going, hey motherfucker, you know, when you're getting hit, don't do any of this shit. | ||
| Maybe someone needs to hear that so then when it's happening they go, fuck that, I'm not doing this anymore. | ||
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Dig deep. | |
| And then they dig deep and step to the side or clinch or do something. | ||
| They just like go out like a warrior. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know? | ||
| Or figure your way, a better response to the situation. | ||
| Then again, sometimes you get clipped and your neuromuscular system just goes, and everything's just off. | ||
| It's just, you're not responding right because your system's getting shut down. | ||
| But it was more like, ah, get away from me. | ||
| That's not good. | ||
| Yeah, I didn't like that. | ||
| Miriam, we just said two and a half hours. | ||
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What? | |
| Flew by. | ||
| It's 4.30. | ||
| That wasn't scary at all. | ||
| It wasn't scary at all. | ||
| I told you, my friend. | ||
| We're going to take care of you. | ||
| We're all good. | ||
| Listen, we'll have you on again when you have a fight scheduled and we'll pump that shit up. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Let me know when. | ||
| Let me know what it is. | ||
| Bare knuckle boxing. | ||
| Whatever. | ||
| Maybe, right? | ||
| They're doing a lot of that. | ||
| You got to go to Wyoming and do it on a ranch or something, right? | ||
| Pay well. | ||
| Does it pay well? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Does it? | |
| Uh-huh. | ||
| Way more. | ||
| Really? | ||
| I know somebody that did four rounds for 10,000. | ||
| Four rounds for $10,000. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| You say that like that's a lot of money. | ||
| For that? | ||
| For just boxing? | ||
| Four rounds? | ||
| Boxing bare knuckle. | ||
| What if you break your hands? | ||
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We'll talk. | |
| Tell people how to find you on Instagram, on Twitter, all that stuff. | ||
| Oh, I'm Miriam Nakamoto. | ||
| Spell it out so people know. | ||
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M-I-R-I-A-M Nakamoto. | |
| Okay, let's not help out. | ||
| Figure out Nakamoto. | ||
| Nakamoto. | ||
| It's on my Instagram. | ||
| She'll be linked there. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Thanks, man. | ||
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Appreciate you. | |
| Bye, everybody. |
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