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Nov. 2, 2010 - The Joe Rogan Experience
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Joe Rogan Experience #53 - Freddy Lockhart
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brian redban
We're recording too, server.
joe rogan
Get the fuck out of here, server.
brian redban
We're playing music that no one's heard.
joe rogan
This shit is Di Antwoord's D Antwoord's original band.
brian redban
Max Normal.
joe rogan
I'm a big fan of this shit.
unidentified
Take this baby to the maximum.
*Potone* We're on billboardy keep up.
A tough cookie, I've got a job to do, eat my dust rinky.
I'm primed for mass appeal, and haunt my force field.
Now catch my feel, 72,000 nerves of steel.
Start tingling, that's the real deal, get severe.
Bring on the glory, decipher these mystery hooks.
Will kids be reading about our story and their history?
*Potone* Whoops.
joe rogan
What happened?
unidentified
Whoops.
joe rogan
Well, let's just say that that's a fucking South African band.
It's D-Antward now, but they were a bunch of different things before they were D-Antward.
And I've been obsessed with them for the last couple of weeks, man.
They're fucking awesome.
Every now and then you catch a band that's the shit.
Speaking of the shit, Freddie Lockhart, ladies and gentlemen.
Old school comedy road dog.
freddy lockhart
Yeah, what up, Joe?
joe rogan
My friend from many, many, many, many, many, many moons ago.
freddy lockhart
True that.
joe rogan
Back when Freddie was actually working at the comedy store.
Freddy started out the right way, like so many Comedy Store warriors have done, working there, either doing the door or working the cover booth.
One of the cool things about the Comedy Store is that almost everybody working there wants to be a comic.
Almost everybody working there wants to make it in show business.
There's a lot of people that are great people that work in other clubs, But they're not there because they want to be comedians.
The comedy store is entirely comprised of people who want to be comedians.
freddy lockhart
Even the accountants.
Everybody.
joe rogan
It's ridiculous.
Unfortunately, except for the fucking managers.
And that's why the place sucks a bag of dicks.
One of the all-time classic comedy clubs.
freddy lockhart
CBGB's of comedy.
joe rogan
It's not run by Mitzi Shore anymore, unfortunately.
No.
But it's still a great fucking place and that's where I met Freddie Lockhart back in the Disney.
unidentified
Fleshlight.
joe rogan
Fleshlight is our sponsor.
We have to let everybody know about that.
You can go to JoeRogan.net and buy it and if you click the link and enter in the code name Rogan You get 15% off.
That's what it is, right?
brian redban
Show them the alien flashlight.
joe rogan
See that blue?
This is the alien one.
It's blue and it's got two clits.
unidentified
Nice.
brian redban
Put your finger in it.
joe rogan
If you're a Star Trek freak.
Nobody's fucked this.
I wouldn't do that.
brian redban
Except me.
freddy lockhart
I've always wondered.
I was like, what does it feel like?
That's pretty good.
brian redban
What do you think?
joe rogan
It's a pretty interesting feeling, right?
It definitely feels better than, well, probably my rough hands.
unidentified
Yeah.
brian redban
You just warm that up.
joe rogan
There's no blisters on it.
freddy lockhart
No scratching.
brian redban
Just warm it up a little.
joe rogan
I'll be in Austin, Texas this weekend, all weekend, Thursday, Friday, and Saturday at Cap City Comedy Club.
Joey Coco Diaz will be with me.
It's a rare treat.
We get to bring Joey on the road.
The thing about Joey is Joey's the best.
He's my favorite comedian ever of all time.
But he's about as reliable as a fake Rolex.
You know, just like, you just can't count on them.
I started taking people with me.
I only used to bring one opener for the longest time.
But Joey flaked so many times that I started taking a second opener with me just so that I could still book Joey.
So if the shit hit the fan, I'd only hit the fan like one out of every 20 times.
But it hit the fan every now and then.
And you'd be in Jersey going, where the fuck are you?
I'm not gonna lie to you, dog.
I never left Vegas.
unidentified
Fuck!
freddy lockhart
The excuse is always admirable and entertaining at best, too.
joe rogan
If you get an excuse, you might just not get phone calls back.
freddy lockhart
What do you want?
joe rogan
Yeah, for like months.
unidentified
What, dog?
joe rogan
And then once you do talk to him, it never gets brought up.
unidentified
What up, dog?
joe rogan
What are we doing?
freddy lockhart
Yeah, nothing.
joe rogan
What's up, cock licker?
unidentified
Those days of my life.
joe rogan
Yeah, so he's going.
We had a scare today.
I thought he wasn't going to go.
You never know, Joey.
Anything can happen.
I got something going on, dog.
It's a Disney Channel movie.
I think it's going to be big.
I get to show my balls.
they're gonna blur it out.
brian redban
Have you seen the previews of his Disney movie?
joe rogan
No, what is it called?
brian redban
It's called The Dog That Saved Christmas, and they're releasing a whole bunch of them.
In the first one, Joey was like 400 pounds or whatever.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah, and then he lost a lot of weight.
brian redban
And so now they're really concerned.
But anyways, I just saw the preview.
I think it's just about to come on DVD.
I saw the preview, and Joey Diaz has a little scene in there where he's in drag, and it's the cutest thing you'll ever see.
joe rogan
How the fuck would they care if he loses 100 pounds?
He looks better.
He looks like he's healthy.
Just write it into the goddamn script.
brian redban
That's what they ended up doing.
joe rogan
How hard is that?
brian redban
They wrote in the whole Weight Watcher thing.
freddy lockhart
Is he keeping it off?
Is he still keeping the weight on?
joe rogan
Yeah, he does Weight Watchers.
freddy lockhart
He follows his points.
joe rogan
I got points, cocksucker.
He'll explain it to you with anger in his voice.
freddy lockhart
Oh, that's correct.
joe rogan
Good for him.
unidentified
Yeah, he's like, a fucking slice of pizza and a Coke, that's eight points!
joe rogan
You can't take eight points, cocksucker!
You deserve to be fat!
He'll get fucking angry.
He gets very passionate about his Weight Watchers.
brian redban
But yet, when I go out to eat, he'll be like, this is only four Weight Watcher points!
And I'm like, dude, that's nachos with fried salmon Snickers.
joe rogan
How many points is that?
brian redban
Oh, it's like, you know, 80 points.
And that's like your whole...
joe rogan
Is that supposed to be your whole day?
freddy lockhart
So what did he lose?
He lost 100 pounds?
joe rogan
He lost 100 fucking pounds.
freddy lockhart
That's pretty fucking impressive.
joe rogan
He put it together, man.
freddy lockhart
Especially not doing the lap band or the gastric podcast.
It's the old school way.
joe rogan
He got really upset about that, too.
We would talk about it.
He goes, I'm not going to do it, dog.
I'm not going to do it.
He got real passionate about it.
He goes, Ralphie Mays had that fucking thing.
He blew it out twice.
He said, surgeries, I'm not going to get cut open, bro.
I'm not going to get fucking cut open.
freddy lockhart
Right, right.
joe rogan
He just, he manned up.
He manned up and he fucking lost the weight.
It's incredible.
freddy lockhart
Well, the thing with those things too, it's like your brain doesn't catch up with what has happened to your body.
You know what I mean?
It's like that's part of the whole working for it process.
joe rogan
Yeah, you can't just fucking rewire your body and then your brain is still jacked this constant need for food.
Yeah.
freddy lockhart
Yeah, big time.
joe rogan
It's an obsession, man.
It's so easy for people to get obsessed with things.
For me, I can get obsessed with Q-tips, putting Q-tips in my ears.
I can get obsessed with video games.
I can get obsessed with beating off.
I can get obsessed with things where they just consume me like I have to do them.
Yeah, yeah.
Dude, what the fuck kind of a flaw is that shit?
What a goofy-ass flaw.
freddy lockhart
It sucks.
joe rogan
At least mine is not the food one.
freddy lockhart
Right, exactly.
Mine was always the weed one, the sleeping one.
It could be bad things, but I'm just at least smart enough to not deny the addiction, just to know it could get out of hand if I gave in to it.
joe rogan
You've got to be careful.
freddy lockhart
Respect the beast in there.
joe rogan
Yeah, you gotta be very careful.
It's like dudes who used to smoke cigarettes, you go, I'm just gonna have one cigarette.
freddy lockhart
Oh, dude!
unidentified
You're getting in a wrestling match right here with the devil!
joe rogan
He's gonna tie you up, bitch!
freddy lockhart
Yeah, you're screwed with that.
joe rogan
Yeah, you fucked up.
freddy lockhart
I just complete out and out, stay away from it.
It's like the video games, the Grand Theft Auto.
I got so addicted to it, like my life was, I was literally dreaming and thinking, and my mindset would be like, oh, just take that cop's car and jack him.
unidentified
Ha ha!
freddy lockhart
And then we'll get to the gig quicker.
In real life, it starts coming up, right?
Yeah, because that's my subconscious mind, but luckily my conscious mind's like, no, no.
joe rogan
Do you think that rewires kids and makes them more susceptible?
brian redban
I agree with him.
I used to play this game where you jumped from building to building.
I forget which game it was.
Oh, City of Heroes.
And after I played it for like a month straight, like 10 hours a day, I would go outside and forget I can't jump on top of buildings.
Like I was just driving going, I could jump on that building and that building.
unidentified
I'm like, what am I thinking? - And it's like if you're a very Darwinian.
freddy lockhart
If you're a kid, you haven't laid down those deep-rooted thoughts that will tell you that you can't do that.
That little voice that says, no, don't kill me.
You don't have physical limitations.
The law doesn't even hold you accountable until you're 8 years old for murder or something like that.
So think about that.
If you're playing those video games and you're 4 or 5, that's all you know.
joe rogan
You don't think.
You just pull the trigger.
Especially boys.
When you have little girls and you see them around little boys, you realize how fucking crazy boys are from the get-go.
There are a lot of things that are fucked up about human beings because of our culture.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
You see like little boys.
This little boy, there was two little two-year-old babies in this big inflatable play thing.
And one like seven, eight-year-old boy.
Okay.
And this seven, eight-year-old boy was fucking throwing himself through the air and crashing into the walls of this thing with no regard to these babies that were around him.
It was such a trip to watch.
And I was watching them like, dude, you gotta settle down.
You gotta settle down.
And you're looking at them like, he can't even help himself.
This kid is wired up with this fucking chimpanzee DNA. I mean, he's like six, man.
And he's just throwing himself into the cage of this thing.
freddy lockhart
Yeah, it's just they are.
They're ingrained that way.
They're crazy.
joe rogan
He's got to get that shit out.
It's inside of him.
If you take a kid like that and don't exercise, that should be a crime.
It should be a crime to have a little male monster and not work it out.
freddy lockhart
Yeah, you got to.
You got to give him an activity.
joe rogan
Fuck yeah.
freddy lockhart
Treat him just like a dog.
Give him a ball and make him go chase it.
joe rogan
Dude, when I first started doing wrestling in high school, I first started really working out.
I did martial arts before that, but quite honestly, the karate class that I did before wrestling, it wasn't good.
It wasn't hard enough to really break you.
But wrestling practice would break you.
It would break you.
freddy lockhart
Make you question yourself.
joe rogan
But you get out of there, though, and you're so peaceful.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Like, there's nothing left.
freddy lockhart
Yeah, absolutely.
joe rogan
You don't need to get upset about some asshole who cuts in front of you at the red light.
It's all like, whatever.
freddy lockhart
I would see those guys in high school.
I played football, and the thing is, it was only hard for two weeks, hell week, the beginning of summer, especially in Arizona.
It's hot as hell.
joe rogan
Yeah.
freddy lockhart
But the higher you went up in varsity, it was so easy because they didn't want anybody getting hurt.
In freshman football, you had to hit the biggest guy.
They didn't care.
They just sized anybody against anybody.
But I would watch the wrestlers go back to the locker room after we went back to the locker room.
I was like, those guys just...
I mean, they would just lay there.
They would be drenched.
joe rogan
Brutal.
freddy lockhart
But you never saw them on campus doing the meathead crap that we were doing, the football players.
joe rogan
They were exhausted.
unidentified
They were exhausted.
joe rogan
And they get humbled, too.
freddy lockhart
And they knew that...
They could end the situation a lot quicker than we could.
joe rogan
There's that, but there's also they get it out of their system.
If you're always competing with men and you're always throwing yourself in there, you don't want to do it anymore.
It's the safest way to do it and deal with your biology.
What you're doing is you're doing it in a controlled environment with a bunch of other people who agree to it.
It's honorable.
You tap each other out and there's not even any hard feelings.
When you do jiu-jitsu, there's no hard feelings when guys get got...
You know, somebody taps you out, you go, that's what happens.
You get caught.
What did I do wrong?
Did I put my arm through?
Oh, I fucked up.
I forgot to put the arm here.
All right, thank you.
Thank you.
Then you go back again.
It's like, but you get all this ingrained male dominator shit out of your system.
We're not supposed to live all, like, hanging out like this.
freddy lockhart
Oh, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
With chimps, you know, like, you know, chimps don't, like, hang out that much.
freddy lockhart
Yeah, you'll get your face ripped off.
joe rogan
With other chimps, like, if they go meet other chimps, like, they have, like, little tribes.
unidentified
I saw that.
joe rogan
If they go meet other chimps, they're fighting, man.
freddy lockhart
Yeah, they're gangs.
joe rogan
Yeah, they're fucking fighting.
For sure, to the death.
Sometimes they creep over and they don't even know these chimps.
They just jack them.
They just decide who's on their team and that's it.
But we've got to deal with so many people all day long.
You can't just jack people.
But those signals are still present in ghostly form in your brain.
brian redban
And that's why I'm a dick on YouTube videos.
joe rogan
In what way?
unidentified
What do you mean?
brian redban
I'm just kidding.
I'm not a dick.
freddy lockhart
No, no, no.
brian redban
It's true though.
It's like message boards.
Watching people on message boards have angry and psycho.
unidentified
Dude!
brian redban
And I'm always like, alright, if we are talking about something in a room together, all in a group, and you're the person sitting there like...
This person's fat!
Oh god, this person sucks!
That's so stupid!
I'm like, are you going to be sitting there going, yeah, listen to that guy?
No, you're going to be doing the same thing you do on a message board where it's just like, what's wrong with this psycho, crazy, angry person?
freddy lockhart
Which says we have a social face that we put on for social issues, but at home that's maybe who you really are, the shit you're saying on YouTube.
joe rogan
We've all been out with someone who's barely keeping it together.
Someone who's like, yeah, that's a great shirt.
freddy lockhart
What the fuck is this guy?
Did you shit on my shirt?
joe rogan
You know?
They're just boiling under the sun.
Just kidding around with you, man.
Just kidding around with you, man.
freddy lockhart
Just unsolicited.
They do the thing where they take a left turn when they see your reaction.
Like, what the fuck?
And they're like, oh, no, no, no.
Yeah, yeah, I am kidding.
It's just like, I'm not that mean.
joe rogan
Yeah, there's a bunch of dudes who just like to get douchey with dudes.
unidentified
And they just need to get out of their fucking system.
joe rogan
How dare you, Brian.
brian redban
It's funny, the other day I called Freddy and he called me back and said, sorry, I just woke up.
And I looked at the clock and I was like, oh, it's 2.30.
freddy lockhart
You guys' day had already ended.
joe rogan
That's the real shit.
That's why Freddy's rocking it, man.
He's a fucking comic.
freddy lockhart
Well, he's an artist, Joe.
unidentified
Well, it's not just that.
joe rogan
I hear you've been talking to Mitzi.
freddy lockhart
Well, Mitzi and I did talk.
And you can work out in the belly room, Joe, okay?
But that's it for right now, okay?
joe rogan
Wow, what an honor.
How often do you rub her feet?
freddy lockhart
Well, it's not just that, okay?
Because Richard Pryor used to rub her feet, okay?
joe rogan
Freddie Lockhart, by the way, used to be on the Frank Caliendo show and is, in my opinion, one of the best impressionists out there.
You do impressions that are very weird, man.
You do some impressions that no one else does.
freddy lockhart
I figure that's what you should do.
I always figure it's like why I get in and do something, the Nicholson, the ones like that.
It's like I try to find a strange one and I do it.
Like Ice-T, man.
Don't nobody do Ice-T. Bunch of bitches.
I do Ice-T better than Ice-T, man.
I do his voiceover work and whatnot.
I love to say whatnot.
joe rogan
You have the lisp in everything.
freddy lockhart
He fights a little lisp there, right?
Yeah, he fights a little lisp, but it's kind of gangster and it works for him.
You know what I'm saying?
Bitches dig it.
I used to do that at the Comedy Store.
I used to call the Comedy Store as Ice-T, and this poor guy, Kenny Tenney, this guy used to work the phones there.
Do you remember this guy?
unidentified
Kenny Tenney.
freddy lockhart
He was Mitzi's pool guy, and something was off with him, definitely.
I mean, I don't want to say what he had, but he definitely wasn't thinking right, but he made money.
He had a pool company.
He cleaned pools, and he did it well, but he functioned like an eight-year-old.
And I would call him every time he would pick up the phone.
I would call him and I would be Ice-T. And he would fall for it every time.
Be like, yo man, I'm bringing 30 people in tonight, man.
What you got on my booth situation?
unidentified
He'd be like, alright, Mr. T, we don't have a booth at 6.30.
freddy lockhart
I'm like, you better build one for me.
Well, I'll see if we can.
I'm just like, aw.
unidentified
That's hilarious.
freddy lockhart
That's how I would brush up on the impression is if I could fool Kenny Tenney.
I felt like it was golden.
joe rogan
Do you work impressions?
Do you practice them at home and then eventually bring them to the stage?
Or do you know when you hear somebody whether or not you can do it?
freddy lockhart
You know, there's a lot of people, if you hear them right away, I know I can do it.
If somebody tends to have a deeper voice or something like that, or if there's a weird thing about them, I know I can do it.
But more so than the way it sounds, it's the way somebody looks when they talk.
Because people move their mouth a certain way.
That'll reveal half the impression.
joe rogan
I noticed you did that with the Obama thing.
That Obama thing, I watched it online, where they took some footage from the 70s, it looks like, and inserted your clips into it.
That was great stuff, man.
You really do a good Obama, man.
freddy lockhart
That was a show on Super Deluxe, an internet series I had, but the whole thing was I would take facts and skew them a little.
I love time traveling.
It's my biggest obsession.
Really?
Yeah, I'm obsessed with it.
I'm working on a show right now about time traveling.
joe rogan
That's fascinating.
freddy lockhart
You're talking to the right I'm talking tachyon particles, the whole thing.
I'm into it, man.
joe rogan
Do you know who Ronald Mallet is?
Do you know the whole story?
freddy lockhart
No, no, no.
joe rogan
How the fuck do you know time travel?
You don't know who Ronald Mallet is.
freddy lockhart
I love time travel.
joe rogan
Dude, Ronald Mallet is the premier expert in America on time travel.
And this is the crazy part about him.
We've talked about him on the show before, but I'm going to bring it up again.
Just because it's such a fascinating story.
The dude's like a fucking Spider-Man comic book.
His dad died when he was a child, so he became obsessed.
He loved his dad.
freddy lockhart
I did read about him.
I know exactly.
Is he a black guy?
He's a black guy.
joe rogan
University of Connecticut.
And he developed...
Isn't it funny that we have to say he's a black guy?
freddy lockhart
Yeah, but that's why I was like, man, right on, because I was excited when I saw he was black.
joe rogan
Super powerful, you know, like Neil deGrasse Tyson, those kind of guys.
unidentified
You said his son died?
joe rogan
No, his father died.
unidentified
Was he robbing place?
joe rogan
Here's the story.
His father died...
How dare you?
Was he robbing a place?
He's so white, too, the way you say it.
You just smell like cheese.
brian redban
Was he fixing a convenience store?
freddy lockhart
They were into baseball together, him and his old man.
They collect cards and stuff.
joe rogan
So his whole life became obsessed with time travel because he wanted to go back in time and save his dad.
freddy lockhart
Right.
joe rogan
Well, it's fucking trippy shit.
The guy has a peer-reviewed paper that he wrote on time travel where physicists agree, like, theoretically, this all makes sense.
If you could develop this kind of power, you could go back in time.
freddy lockhart
Right.
joe rogan
Right now we can't develop the kind of power that's necessary to do it, but that's some trippy shit.
freddy lockhart
Isn't he currently building a light thing that he's trying to send the light back in time?
joe rogan
Yeah, light back in time.
freddy lockhart
Literally back in time, and it makes sense what he's saying.
And I was, I actually, when I stumbled upon that, I was excited because I thought, you know, time travel, I always thought it to be possible.
My mom worked at NASA when I was a little kid, and I think that's where the curiosity started.
When I lived at Edwards Air Force Base, they were always texting, like testing X jets and crazy shit that the government was working on, which just made me knew that, you know, they're really aware of shit that we had no idea about.
And that's when I kind of got into time travel, and I thought, you know, you could future time travel, just manipulation of time, basically, you stay above the Earth's atmosphere at a a mile or go a gazillion miles an hour, you'll come back and you'll have lost time.
Or no, you'll be ahead.
joe rogan
You'll be ahead.
You'll be still 30, but everyone will be 100 years old.
unidentified
Right.
freddy lockhart
So I was doing that, but I got really excited when I read his article that you could go back in the past.
Like, wait a second.
You can do that?
You know, you can possibly.
joe rogan
They think you could only go back to the moment the first time machine was invented.
But that's just theoretical, too.
freddy lockhart
I had this argument with Brandon Christie about this, and the whole thing about time travel, it's like, doesn't time, once it's exposed, isn't it all a moot point after that?
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah.
freddy lockhart
You know what I mean?
But that's what they talk about with the grandfather clause.
If you go back and you shoot your grandfather, then that makes it impossible for you to time travel.
joe rogan
But that doesn't, because I think that just means you break time.
They didn't take that option into consideration when people talk about that story.
The grandfather paradox, they always say, well, if you did go back in time, you'd kill your grandfather before your father was ever born, therefore you would never exist.
To make the time machine.
But that doesn't mean you couldn't do that.
You could still do that.
b-real
People say, well, that means you couldn't have a time machine.
joe rogan
Well, yeah, you could.
You could.
You would just do that, and then you'd break everything.
brian redban
Right.
It would be like a parallel life.
Kind of like Back to the Future was.
There was two 1955s.
freddy lockhart
That's when it becomes string theory.
It goes off into another world.
joe rogan
There's people that believe, and this is a very strange theory, but it might be just as real as the one we live in, that they believe that every second you live your life, every decision you make, everything you do, all the energy that you put down guides you into various all the energy that you put down guides you into various parallel And that we are not just living in one dimension.
That we are living in an infinite number of dimensions that are all around us all the time.
And we can choose to slide through these dimensions with our thoughts.
freddy lockhart
Oh, wow.
joe rogan
As you live your life, as you live your life correctly, as you live your life in the direction that you want to do with little procrastination, focused and love and joy, as you do this correctly, you move through higher and higher dimensions.
freddy lockhart
Well, that's pretty much what Buddhism teaches, too, and the whole thought.
And even with the yogis, they know about that through meditation and time travel.
joe rogan
Well, I don't know if they know about that.
I mean, you can't say they know about that.
freddy lockhart
It's a theory.
joe rogan
It's an idea.
freddy lockhart
Western science has come along and started to pick up and ask why, you know, and find the things in the brain that make it possible.
Did you guys see the thing on CNN last week with the alleged time traveler lady?
Oh, yeah, that's nonsense.
Basically, it just means there were crazy people back then, too.
joe rogan
People aren't even paying attention.
They had hearing aids back then.
brian redban
Yeah, what's crazy is that video became big, and then the next day, all the places were like, no, it's just a hearing aid, but yet I still get emails every day from people.
joe rogan
Dude, I get Twitter messages all day.
Is time travel real?
Yeah, there's cell phone towers in 1910, you fuck.
How is this fucking phone working?
Who's this cunt calling?
freddy lockhart
Who is she with?
joe rogan
This bitch calling the future?
Is she calling from the past to the future?
Because otherwise it's not a fucking phone for her to be calling.
brian redban
It would have been more realistic if she was just staring at it.
joe rogan
I'm not impressed by someone holding their ear up to their head.
freddy lockhart
They wanted to throw it out there and they knew that they couldn't back it up.
CNN ran it and it was like, Why?
joe rogan
What the fuck is CNN running that for?
freddy lockhart
It was the front page, too.
joe rogan
That's just so distracting.
That's so stupid and distracting.
freddy lockhart
And you know, as much as I love time travel, I was like, come on, don't make a mockery of time travel by showing crap like that.
That's what really sucks.
Think about if you could even time travel.
If you could go to the 80s and whip out your iPhone, you'd get arrested for witchcraft, dude.
I mean, they would stomp you to death if they saw that thing.
joe rogan
Yeah, a voice would die.
freddy lockhart
If you go 10 years ago, that would happen to you.
You know what I mean?
It's like the way technology...
I think in our lifetime, like, the kids today...
It's true.
It's like the kids today...
We're closer to kids who grew up in, like, the 1940s.
joe rogan
We're closer to cavemen.
freddy lockhart
Exactly.
The way things have changed...
joe rogan
Dude, I'm watching kids today growing up with porn from the get-go.
These kids are, like, 13. They're taken in the ass.
They think that's what you're supposed to do.
It's the chickens have come home to roost.
All those shitty parents out there that make porn stars, all those shitty parents have infected other people's kids as well through porn.
freddy lockhart
Yeah, they're getting porn on their PlayStation.
unidentified
They're just taking pictures of their pussies and shit and sending them throughout class.
freddy lockhart
Kids are filthy today.
joe rogan
Dirty little fucks!
brian redban
I was cleaning my laptop out last night, going through all this shit, just trying to make room for it because it's just crazy crowded.
And I'm just going through all these videos, and I found out that if you have the mail app, and you have a Gmail account on there, it will download everything from your Gmail account.
Every video, every photo, at least that's the setting I had.
And so I was like, where's all my hard drive space?
So I'm going through all this shit, and there was videos that people had sent me that must have went to spam folders, you know, like crazy videos, just spam videos and stuff.
One of them was this woman...
Where they were taking the...
You've all seen this.
Where the funnel with putting the eels in the woman's...
And then it starts shooting out like salmon.
I'm showing my...
This girl I just met.
I'm like doing this in front of her.
unidentified
And she looks over.
brian redban
She goes, what the fuck are you looking at?
unidentified
And I'm like...
brian redban
I don't know, but that's just crazy to think.
Somebody sent me that video.
If I ever lose my laptop and the FBI goes, hey, let's go see what's in this laptop.
Oh, he has videos of a young girl with salmons coming out of their ass.
freddy lockhart
Oh, my God.
joe rogan
How old was the girl?
brian redban
No, I'm not saying...
joe rogan
Salmons are big.
brian redban
I'm not saying that.
I'm just saying...
freddy lockhart
Yeah, I was going to say that.
brian redban
But that video exists on my laptop without me knowing is what I'm talking about.
joe rogan
It could be anything.
It could be child porn.
It could be anything.
brian redban
That's what I'm saying.
But that was kind of scary.
So fuck the mail app.
freddy lockhart
Well, that's the thing, too.
It's like that desensitized.
Think if you're in third grade and you see that around fifth grade, we'd get a Debbie Does Dallas tape.
Somebody's dad would have it.
unidentified
Yep.
freddy lockhart
Somebody would have the balls to gank it while his old man was drunk and it would pass around 8th grade.
Everybody got to see it.
And you put it back and you gave it back to the kid.
But that was pretty much porn then.
It's like now, yeah, they can look at it on their cell phone in class.
joe rogan
Yeah, their iPhones.
The HTML5 is the standard for porn sites now because the iPhones don't use Flash.
So all these porn sites are switching to HTML5 and you can watch that shit on your iPhones.
freddy lockhart
Dude, what a gangster move that was on Steve Jobs' part, too.
joe rogan
He's a bad motherfucker.
freddy lockhart
He's a gangster.
He goes, you know what?
Flash needs to catch up with me.
I mean, that was just like bald.
joe rogan
85% of the animated websites on the internet use it.
He's like, no.
brian redban
You know, back in the day when you liked a girl, you were like, hey, meet me at the big toy and I'll finger you or touch her boobs or stuff?
Nowadays, they're just like, hey, go to the bathroom and finger your pussy, and I'm going to go into the bathroom and finger my dick, and then we're going to FaceTime it.
We're going to FaceTime it on the third grade Wi-Fi network.
Can you imagine what these kids are doing nowadays with FaceTime and kids and stuff?
freddy lockhart
It should also honestly make for some really smart fucking kids, though.
If they use the knowledge, there's going to be some smart fucking kids.
joe rogan
Yeah, they'll be so much more aware than we were at that age.
freddy lockhart
Yeah, they're going to be much more advanced.
joe rogan
I didn't know anything at that age.
freddy lockhart
I didn't know a damn thing.
joe rogan
When I was 18, I get very uncomfortable around people who are religious because I thought maybe they knew something.
I thought maybe they were in on something and they were more powerful because they believed it.
That's what I thought when I was 18. That's how fucking dumb I was.
I was religious when I was younger, and then when I was 18, I was like...
When you're young, you're fucking dumb, man.
I had no access to information.
There was no fucking internet when I was a kid.
I had the people in my neighborhood in school.
brian redban
Is that shit anywhere grounded inside your brain, though?
Does it ever come out where you're sitting there after an earthquake and you're like, Jesus, you bring out your rosary and stuff.
No, it's not at all.
freddy lockhart
Were you big time?
Were you Catholic?
joe rogan
Yeah, I was raised Catholic when I was in first grade.
And then I immediately thought it was horse shit because first grade was so horrible.
This fucking cunt nun that I had.
Sister Mary Josephine.
This fucking crazy bitch.
She was just incarnate evil.
Just an evil, dried up old woman who had wasted her life on some nonsense and fucking hated kids.
unidentified
What?
brian redban
Were you super religious growing up?
freddy lockhart
No, not at all.
My parents were an interracial couple.
brian redban
You do a lot of cocaine.
joe rogan
My parents, though, what happened with me is I went from this religious upbringing from Catholic school in first grade to moving to San Francisco in second grade with my mother's new husband, who was a hippie.
freddy lockhart
Oh, wow.
joe rogan
Computer programmer with long hair.
So my dad was this cop.
And I grew up in that, like Catholic, you know, hey, you're not in the Lord's name in vain.
Son of a bitch, they slap you in the head.
I grew up in that.
Like people were just smacking the head for no reason.
freddy lockhart
Wow.
joe rogan
And then I grew up in that, and then all of a sudden...
Hippies in San Francisco.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
So it was a total trip.
My next door neighbors were these gay dudes who used to get naked and hang out with my aunt because my aunt, you know, didn't worry about them fucking her.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know, because they were gay.
Gay as fuck.
Big, muscular black guy.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
Dark, black, Africa, Kenya, right?
unidentified
Oh.
joe rogan
Black as fuck.
He'd just be naked walking around his house.
unidentified
Loves the butt.
joe rogan
And his boyfriend.
And both of them would just, then they all would get together and just smoke weed and take their clothes off.
unidentified
Wow.
Wow.
joe rogan
Nobody fucked.
Nobody did anything.
They just lie around smoking weed.
And I knew about this when I was seven.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
So I went from this fucking crazy primate jungle of Jersey Italians.
freddy lockhart
Yeah, chest beating.
joe rogan
Sacking each other and throwing shit at each other.
It's just like being in a chimp cage, right?
So I went from that to hippies and gay dudes who are naked smoking weed, hanging out with my That is hilarious, dude.
This is the craziest fucking 180 ever.
freddy lockhart
And you got good parts of both, though, wouldn't you say?
Good parts of the progressive thoughts and ideas, but also that you're not your typical pussy comic.
I'll tell you that much.
joe rogan
The East Coast thing is where men are forced to become men at a quick age.
You get fucked with.
Dude, you're looking to kick your ass.
freddy lockhart
Right.
joe rogan
You know, there's a lot of the West Coast people.
It's a little more relaxed than that.
And it's good.
It's good that it's more relaxed than that.
But I think it creates people that are a little more confused.
freddy lockhart
Yeah, there does seem to be a survival of the fittest element in the Jersey, New York area.
Yeah.
joe rogan
Smart people there too, man.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Talk to some stressed out, smart motherfuckers in New York.
freddy lockhart
Yeah.
joe rogan
They're intense, man.
They're fucking stressed out.
They want to step outside for a cigarette?
You don't even know what's going on with Lehman Marcus.
The whole way the system is set up, it's impossible for them to fail.
What they're doing is they're getting fucking painless.
These are smart, super intense motherfuckers.
I have to choose what I do here because I can go with you on this stage and lose my life to this crazy type of thinking or I can go, yeah, I'm going to go to California and I'm going to smoke some pot and relax.
freddy lockhart
Sure.
It's like there's an intensity there, and there's a fervor about things.
joe rogan
I believe part of it has to do with dealing with weather.
Yeah.
freddy lockhart
Oh, absolutely.
joe rogan
I think that dealing with weather is a humbling thing, and I think it makes you, you know, you have to stockpile food for the winter.
unidentified
Sure.
joe rogan
And you didn't just have to do it in 1950.
You had to do it in 1850 when there's no refrigerators.
And a lot of those people that lived there are the ancestors from people that lived...
I mean, those are the people that established it.
And the other people, if they weren't there 200 years ago, they were in another country.
And they took a chance coming over on a fucking boat someplace they've never seen when there was no movies about it, no internet.
They had to hear stories from someone, a letter...
You know, dear John, I have made it here to the new land.
Oh, the fruit is plenty.
The brown people are strange.
They have paint on their face.
Gold is everywhere.
Come soon.
So they just took chances and fucking got on boats and traveled across a goddamn ocean when there's no GPS, no cell phones, no fucking flares.
Bitch, if that fucking boat goes down, you're done!
freddy lockhart
Yeah, that's it.
unidentified
You're in the middle of the ocean, which is bigger than the continent.
freddy lockhart
On a gamble for a maybe.
unidentified
Chuck!
joe rogan
Goddammit, you're just hoping to float it out?
You crazy asshole!
That's how bad Europe sucked.
Europe sucked so bad in the 1700s.
Dudes were willing to get dysentery and cholera.
What would they get?
Scurvy from no vitamin C. They were fucking eating rats, bro, to stay alive.
People were dying.
They were throwing them off the boat.
A lot of people died.
They would get sick.
Everyone would get ill.
freddy lockhart
Yeah, the plague.
That's why they'd rather come here to nothing.
joe rogan
Yeah.
freddy lockhart
To have an established, you know, roads and shit.
We had nothing, and then we built our own.
joe rogan
We made our own.
Yeah, they came to trees and water, and they're like, I'll take it.
unidentified
We'll take it.
joe rogan
Get me the fuck away from these douchebags over there.
freddy lockhart
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
And they kept the attitude, too, especially on the East Coast, where they colonized.
They just kept the attitude.
joe rogan
And I think it seems to me that the West Coast is all slowly, as far as you get out, a big percentage of those people are going to be the children of the people who originally landed.
freddy lockhart
Oh, right.
joe rogan
They're going to be the people that got there.
Everybody landed on the East, pretty much, right?
And so then they go, well, fuck this place.
Let's keep moving West.
And they kept going and going and going and going.
So the people that made it all the way here, it's almost like spoiled children.
Right.
You know what I'm saying?
It's almost like they don't appreciate what it takes to make all this happen.
Like, you're lucky.
You're just in a lucky spot.
You found a spot where it doesn't snow, and it doesn't get too hot, and it hardly ever rains.
It's an easy spot to live.
freddy lockhart
It really is.
And they say it does something to the psyche as far as, you know, the lack of change kind of almost puts us in a trance.
joe rogan
Yeah.
freddy lockhart
You know, where you gear up for winter back east and all that.
I do like the idea of socializing there on the East Coast.
They are a lot more social with each other.
And if you're in New York, you can see a real heated debate get really heated but never come to blows.
Where on the West Coast, it would come to blows.
joe rogan
It comes to stupid.
Exactly.
freddy lockhart
We don't cross paths with each other as much as they do.
We don't share a confined space.
It's real spread out here.
It always has been.
joe rogan
They walk.
freddy lockhart
Yeah, they walk.
joe rogan
No one walks here.
Oh, not at all.
In California, there's no walking.
So it's a much worse setup because you're so disconnected from all the people around you.
That's why it's like there's such a big contrast between the haves and have-nots here.
unidentified
Sure.
joe rogan
It's the most obvious.
This is the most bling-bling part of the country.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And one of the reasons why is because you feel disconnected from all the people that you're around.
You're not touching them.
b-real
You're not in contact with them.
joe rogan
You're not on the subway with them.
You're not walking on the street interacting with And because of that, you feel like you're disconnected from them.
You feel like you're not a part of them.
They're something else.
And it makes a separatism between the two gaps.
freddy lockhart
And there's a lack of respect for each other.
And it's like, that's the thing.
The most racist, homophobic people are places where there aren't any.
joe rogan
Yeah.
unidentified
You know, which is so funny because it's just so...
joe rogan
I will never understand people who hate gay people because out of all the gay people I've ever met, 70% of them were entertaining as fuck.
brian redban
They're the nicest, happiest people in the world.
They're like little teddy bears that have dicks and they're trying to fuck you.
joe rogan
Jeff, the piano guy?
Was he one of the coolest motherfuckers of all time?
freddy lockhart
He's so cool.
So creative, cool, loyal.
joe rogan
A great guy.
freddy lockhart
Why would you care if it had nothing to do with you?
That's what I don't care.
joe rogan
The real prejudice should be against people who are prejudiced against gay people.
What the fuck is wrong with you?
That's like being...
Look, it sounds like a terrible thing to say, but it's like being upset at someone for any other physical animality.
unidentified
Sure.
joe rogan
Like being short.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know, having a big fucking nose.
unidentified
Exactly.
joe rogan
You hate people that have a big nose?
He's born gay.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
If you don't think someone's born gay, just hang out with gay people.
freddy lockhart
Right.
unidentified
Who chooses it?
joe rogan
They will all tell you, man.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
Almost to a man.
They all were like, when I was seven, I looked at the catalogs and I got hard on.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
I didn't know why.
freddy lockhart
Right.
joe rogan
Sports Illustrated made my dick tingle.
They all tell you that, man.
freddy lockhart
There's some deep-seated fear that they have it within them if they hate them, I think.
joe rogan
There's some dudes that could be pushed into it, and I think they're very scared.
freddy lockhart
Yeah, those are very scared.
joe rogan
There's a lot of on-the-fence people.
There's a lot of people that are also wired to do what they're not supposed to do.
There's a lot of people that are just wired to do shit that's wrong.
brian redban
I think it has something to do with people that like blowjob videos.
joe rogan
I think some dudes, for real, some dudes are so dumb that they fight the system no matter what.
They're wired to not do what they're supposed to do.
But if they're in a situation where they're drunk and they're with a guy, the situation to not do is not let this guy suck your dick.
But they might be so crazy and stupid and be like, alright, let's see what this is like.
Just because I don't give a fuck, bro.
I'll do whatever.
freddy lockhart
And I know we all have guys in our head that we're thinking of, but it's just like...
And probably some of the same guys, too.
Especially within this thing, when you meet guys like that.
I've met so many.
One we were talking about earlier in your kitchen.
joe rogan
Yeah, there's a lot of them out there.
There's a lot of people that are a mess.
But still, man, the prejudice against hating gay people, to me, is one of the most disturbing ones.
freddy lockhart
It's getting exposed that it ain't cool, though.
I mean, it's definitely there, but some really cool people are starting to say, knock it off, you know?
joe rogan
It has to be, because I want to be able to use the word faggot and not worry about anything.
brian redban
You can.
joe rogan
I don't want anybody thinking I'm a goddamn homophobe, because I'm not at all, not even a little bit.
And I want to be able to make fun of crazy people like Ted Haggard and not be called a homophobe.
Oh, right, right.
Or this Eddie Long character that's been banging kids.
There's a lot of these crazy religious assholes that are pretending to be straight, but really they're gay and they're fucking people.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Doesn't mean there's anything wrong with being gay.
When I'm talking about some crazy liar, I'm not talking about two people that are in a consensual relationship and they enjoy each other's company and they both happen to be guys.
What do I give a fuck about that?
What's funny to me is crazy assholes like Ted Haggard.
freddy lockhart
Oh yeah, who go on a crusade.
unidentified
Super religious and doing meth and getting hookers off Craigslist.
joe rogan
Just loking out.
But it's a funny thing, whereas if you start making fun of that guy, all of a sudden you're making fun of all gays.
freddy lockhart
Yeah, that's where it's getting kind of ridiculous.
It's like, you still have to be able to, like, you know...
joe rogan
You've got to be able to make fun of everything, if it's valid.
freddy lockhart
There's hood people, and we make fun of them.
It's not like we're making fun of all black people.
Remember everybody getting raped in here?
Remember the internet person?
unidentified
What is that?
freddy lockhart
The one, whatever.
Everybody getting raped in here.
It's like, we were made fun of that person.
Not all black people.
It's just that person.
Same with the flamboyant gay or the guy hiding it.
I mean, guys like Hagrid, that's hilarious.
It's like you find out he's not just gay, but he's the most devious, just disgusting, like, it's almost like a Law and Order episode.
It's so bad.
It's like, are you kidding me?
joe rogan
I loved the gay hooker that he was banging went on CNN. My man just outed him.
He's like, yeah, I'm a gay hooker.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
joe rogan
He just went on CNN and admitted he was a gay prostitute and he had sex several times with Ted Haggard and they smoked meth together and shit.
freddy lockhart
So brilliant.
unidentified
Whoa!
joe rogan
That guy got on CNN! I think he probably got more dick after that.
I bet his fucking roster was stocked every day.
freddy lockhart
No, the gay hooker.
joe rogan
I bet that was the best thing for his business ever.
freddy lockhart
Big time.
joe rogan
If he was smart, he would have said, I'll go on.
Just poke my website up there.
Plug my website.
freddy lockhart
Yeah, he got Bible butt.
joe rogan
Gaymilitary.com.
freddy lockhart
That kind of guy, when they find out about guys like that I just love, it's like you never think you're going to see that kind of justice in your life.
Like one of the worst people on earth.
You're like, is this for me?
It's like, that's so good.
unidentified
Exactly.
joe rogan
It's like a gift from the universe.
freddy lockhart
Like to see Rush Limbaugh really get his or somebody like that.
unidentified
You know what I mean?
freddy lockhart
Like to see somebody...
joe rogan
Well, but he was hooked on OxyContin, so it was pretty close.
Homeboy was taking 100 Oxys a day and ranting on against the liberal elite.
freddy lockhart
You don't just kick that.
joe rogan
Well, it made him go deaf.
How about that?
He was doing so many oxys, he lost his hearing.
Holla!
How the fuck does that work?
Alex Jones explained the medical reasoning behind it to me.
I don't remember it, nor do I know if it's correct.
And it makes sense to me.
I don't think...
Look, you go deaf, and by the way, you happen to be doing 100 oxys a day?
That might be related.
That fat fuck was throwing down 100!
unidentified
I can't hear, but I'm going to continue to use it because I like getting high.
joe rogan
You can do it on Rush Limbaugh, man.
We need to make some parodies.
freddy lockhart
Yes, Rush Limbaugh.
unidentified
Yes!
freddy lockhart
I buy this off of a liberal.
unidentified
Brody!
But I do them.
joe rogan
It's so funny.
That guy's just tuned into that dumb, dumb ideology.
That just dumb, dumb, you know, I'm a fucking patriot.
I'm here to...
There's a good God, Christian, loving country here, and we need to support all these goddamn hippies out there and liberals.
They're trying to take down this democracy, this great thing that was founded in 17...
And they'll just start rattling off facts and numbers.
unidentified
You think he believes all that?
joe rogan
No, he's an act.
unidentified
They're acts.
joe rogan
They're all acts.
They know it's far more complex than that, but that position is an excellent profit position.
You can make a lot of fucking money being the super patriot guy rallying against the liberals.
Because nobody wants to be a pussy.
Liberals are pussies.
That's the problem.
People go, what are you, Rogan?
Don't tell me you're a liberal.
Oh, don't tell me I want Right.
Right.
I believe in the First Amendment.
And I think gay people should be willing to do whatever the fuck they want to do or allowed to do whatever the fuck they want to do.
People should be able to get married.
You shouldn't, you know, hate crime shouldn't be real.
I think, yeah, we should figure out how to fucking clean up the ghettos.
I think we should figure out how to use some of our taxes to fucking help out little kids that are born into some shit position.
And it's supposed to be all within the jurisdiction of this country.
So yeah, why aren't we approaching that?
So if that makes me a liberal, yeah, I'm a liberal.
freddy lockhart
Which everything you've named, a lot of people are scared to realize that they are.
I have a lot of friends, especially back in Arizona growing up there, who are like, bro, I'm conservative.
It's like, look at you.
You look like a rapper right now.
You're not conservative.
You quote Tupac.
You're not conservative.
You're just not.
joe rogan
What people think of conservative, a lot of it is in support of big business.
And that's a problem because they say, well, hey, it's just fucking capitalism.
That's why this country is so great.
I totally am in favor of big business.
If it wasn't for them, we wouldn't have all this cool shit.
But the problem is big business likes to act like it's not a person.
Like it's above being a person.
If big business was a person and did all this shit, it would get sued and closed down and arrested.
freddy lockhart
He'd be an asshole.
joe rogan
Like Halliburton.
There's $90 billion missing from Iraq.
$90 billion.
If Halliburton was a dude...
And he's like, I don't know.
It's fucking gone, man.
They're like, Bob, there's 90 billion missing.
90,000 million.
Where the fuck is it?
I don't know.
You couldn't fucking do that.
They would arrest that guy.
That guy would be in shackles in the court.
That would be the number one story on the news.
freddy lockhart
Ever, yeah.
joe rogan
Bob Halliburton in the court today.
Doesn't know where he put the 90 billion.
freddy lockhart
It's like misplacing a state.
Like, where's Wyoming?
Fuck.
Where did Wyoming go?
joe rogan
Think of the number.
90 billion.
That is so huge.
freddy lockhart
That is such a sizable piece of money that could do so much for every state in the nation.
They would notice it.
I'm talking major shit.
joe rogan
They're missing so much money over there.
They're missing money from the mercenary accounts.
They don't know where the fuck anything is going.
freddy lockhart
It's amazing.
joe rogan
Do you know that Monsanto, the fucking seed corporation, the genetically modified food corporation, the one that sells seeds to farmers and then makes the farmer buy new seeds next year and you can't use the seeds.
freddy lockhart
No wax seeds.
joe rogan
Yeah, you can't reuse them like nature intends.
If you buy a fucking tomato and that tomato has seeds in it, or you buy seeds for the tomato, grow the tomato, and then take the seeds out of the tomatoes you grow and replant them, they'll arrest you.
unidentified
You're breaking the law.
joe rogan
You're breaking the law.
They just bought Blackwater.
unidentified
Jeez.
joe rogan
The devil just bought...
The most evil corporation bought the second most evil corporation.
freddy lockhart
That is awful.
I saw what they did to those poor farmers, those poor guys.
They're like, what am I supposed to do?
They're like, you're growing seeds, aren't you?
joe rogan
A chick named Crooklyn from Tap Out Radio sent me a documentary and I watched it and it's...
It's all about these people from these impoverished countries that committed suicide because they couldn't repay the debt that they owed to Monsanto.
freddy lockhart
Oh my god.
joe rogan
Dude, it's all about how what they figured out was if you could get patents on plants.
freddy lockhart
Yeah.
joe rogan
If you could modify a plant, get a patent on it, then you own it, then you copyright that plant.
It's yours.
Right.
No one else can grow it.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
And you can control it, just like downloads on the internet.
freddy lockhart
That's crazy.
joe rogan
It's fucking nuts, man.
They've figured out a way to do that with food.
They've figured out a way to copyright food.
It's like their food.
freddy lockhart
When I saw a bunch of those, the King Corn and all those other ones, I was honest to God completely naive about the whole thing.
I don't eat fast food and that kind of crap, but I was like, I think I'm doing okay, but I don't realize it doesn't matter that I'm getting the choice cut of beef at Ralph's.
It's still from this corn-fed slaughterhouse.
They said there was something like 14,000 slaughterhouses in America in the early 80s, and now there's like Really?
Literally.
It's all going down through one company.
Tyson Farms, and I can't remember the other one, but it's like literally your meat is all...
And it's like if one's bad, that's why people are getting sick with E. coli all over in mass numbers, because nothing's regionalized anymore.
It's all centralized.
It's like we make it here, we chop the meat up, we put the bad with the good, and we sell it to you.
Unless you're getting shit from a farmer that you know is a farmer or your local...
Luckily here we've got them, farmer's markets, but it's disgusting.
joe rogan
That's another fucked up thing about people, the disconnect between the meat and your food.
The disconnect between where it comes from.
There's a big disconnect there.
I've told people that I want to go hunting.
I'm supposed to go hunting with Ricky Schroeder this season.
Ricky Schroeder loves to hunt.
unidentified
Really?
joe rogan
It's kind of crazy.
But, and I tell people about it, they're like, why would you want to kill an animal?
Why would you want to do that?
I'm like, you eat meat.
Don't you eat meat?
Someone's killing that.
Well, you know what?
I don't have to see it.
If I don't have to see it, I don't want to see it.
You don't want to see it, but you're experiencing what comes from it, and that's like, there's a disconnect there.
That can never be healthy.
It can never be healthy to be eating animals and not know what it feels like to kill an animal.
freddy lockhart
Right.
Yeah, you're right about that.
joe rogan
It can't because you're not going to appreciate it.
I mean, think about the people that we consider the most in tune with nature.
Those are the American Indians, right?
Those are the ones that we always glorify and we always, you know, say that these are the guys that were, like, in tune with the – they used every part of the buffalo that they killed.
freddy lockhart
Yeah, they didn't waste anything.
joe rogan
They lived harmoniously with their – They would praise the spirit of the animal that provided them with food.
This respect for their own prey was very prevalent throughout their culture.
Respect for the buffalo and all these different stories about the buffalo.
freddy lockhart
We came in and slaughtered them all.
joe rogan
Dude, you want to talk about how destructive human beings can be.
That's one of the greatest stories ever.
freddy lockhart
Oh yeah, just how many they slaughtered.
Just slaughtered them in how short a time.
joe rogan
There were millions of them.
They used to be all over the place.
Buffalo used to be overwhelming all over this country.
freddy lockhart
I'd freak out if I saw one once.
I've seen one in my life.
brian redban
That'd be crazy.
joe rogan
And they just went nutty.
Shooting all of them and taking their skins.
That was like a big business.
Shooting buffaloes and selling their skins.
freddy lockhart
And they didn't know, they were picking them off like what, you know, just like cherries in the beginning because they didn't know to be afraid of man because they never had been and they never heard a gun.
joe rogan
Yeah.
freddy lockhart
You know, they didn't know to scatter when they heard that gun.
They just, boom, one would drop.
Boom, another would drop.
joe rogan
Talk about a fucking species getting jacked.
Yeah.
Species living forever in this one spot, having no problems, eating grass, wandering around, and all of a sudden these little pink monkeys with metal bang sticks come out of nowhere and just start dropping motherfuckers.
freddy lockhart
Yeah.
joe rogan
We talk about an alien invasion, man.
How terrifying must that shit be into Buffalo?
freddy lockhart
Oh, I know.
joe rogan
That's like an alien invasion.
That's like fucking We Are the War of Worlds.
Right.
brian redban
We Are the World.
joe rogan
We Are the World.
brian redban
It would be like We Are the World.
All the monkeys are holding hands with the buffalo.
joe rogan
Dude, think about how fucking freaky that would be if buffalo were intelligent and this just started happening and they were just stuck with these goofy buffalo bodies.
unidentified
Oh, God.
joe rogan
I mean, look at dolphin bodies.
Dolphins can't really move anything around.
They can't.
They can't manipulate things.
They're kind of stuck just as much as buffalo are.
freddy lockhart
You just can't say that man doesn't have an effect on his environment, because that's the first series of evidence that proves that.
joe rogan
Fuck, dude.
We wiped out Indians, buffaloes, everything.
freddy lockhart
Yeah, dude.
We make shit extinct, and then we bring a thing or two back, like the California condo.
joe rogan
But again, it was like, who...
Yeah, right?
Keep that spotted owl healthy!
unidentified
Ah!
freddy lockhart
That little prick in my front yard, that owl, I hate that prick.
I hate it.
joe rogan
I got a big ass owl that lives in my neighborhood, bro.
I see this motherfucker at night.
He's big like a dog.
freddy lockhart
Yeah, dude.
joe rogan
Owls are no joke.
freddy lockhart
No, they're not a joke.
joe rogan
They are big and fucking scary, and they're like the most ruthless predators.
unidentified
Oh, big time.
joe rogan
Owls attack eagles.
freddy lockhart
Yeah.
joe rogan
They go in eagles' nests while eagles are sleeping and kill them.
How about that?
freddy lockhart
Those are bad news.
joe rogan
Talons, they get you, man.
I've seen them jackrabbits around here, man.
freddy lockhart
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
It's a trip.
You're watching Wild Kingdom type shit right on my street.
freddy lockhart
It's weird.
There's a bird of prey living in our front yard.
joe rogan
A big one.
freddy lockhart
And when he gets loud at night, woo!
I'm just like, please be quiet.
joe rogan
Woo!
freddy lockhart
It's just so scary.
It's like you hear it coming from his diaphragm.
He's a man.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's like a man.
It's like a 60-pound animal.
freddy lockhart
There's a dude out in the tree.
joe rogan
I mean, I don't know how much they actually weigh, but it looks like if it was a dog, it'd be like a 50-pound dog.
freddy lockhart
Five, six-foot wingspan.
brian redban
It's a flying cat.
joe rogan
There was one outside, bigger than a cat, way bigger than a cat.
There was one outside my window the other day.
He was just sitting on my railing.
Motherfucker was...
He had to be almost three feet tall.
freddy lockhart
It was gigantic.
joe rogan
A big fucking gray thing.
And I'm looking, I'm like, that's like a demon.
This thing that only comes out at night and just jacks things.
Takes advantage of the fact that everyone else is sleeping and just fucks things.
freddy lockhart
You've got to think, the first person to see, I always think that about silverback gorillas.
Compared to men, they were discovered pretty recently in the grand scheme of things.
I think the mountain gorilla in the 50s was the first time somebody came across this healthy...
Furry black man who can...
I'm half black, by the way, audience.
Just to get that out of the way.
unidentified
Hey, man, who the...
freddy lockhart
But, like, just this monster.
joe rogan
Monster.
There's a monster.
Ferocious vegetarian.
freddy lockhart
Like, and nobody would believe you.
joe rogan
Little dicks.
unidentified
Little one-inch dicks.
freddy lockhart
Little tiny ones.
And peaceful animals at that, too.
You notice them versus the chimps.
The chimps are the ones with the loose screws.
They start clapping.
joe rogan
Chips are out of control.
freddy lockhart
They're like gangs, but the gorilla just eats and sleeps all day.
joe rogan
Well, they're vegetarians.
That's the difference.
That's clearly the difference.
I mean, they've figured out a way to supply their body with just plants, so there's no need to be aggressive except to protect themselves.
freddy lockhart
Are you a vegetarian?
joe rogan
No.
freddy lockhart
Do you know Herschel Walker?
joe rogan
Yes.
freddy lockhart
Is his diet real?
joe rogan
It may not be.
It doesn't make any sense.
freddy lockhart
It doesn't make any sense.
You couldn't maintain max.
joe rogan
Apparently, Hershel Walker is one of those guys, and he's a tremendous athlete and an incredible competitor.
He's a great football player, and he's been a...
A great spokesperson for depression and for brain injuries and shit like that.
He's a bad motherfucker and he's a tremendous athlete.
I'm very impressed with the way he gets into Strikeforce.
But the knock on him is that he wants people to think and know that he's extraordinary.
He is extraordinary as an athlete.
He's got extraordinary work ethic, extraordinary abilities.
But he wants people to think that he's something out of this world.
So he'll say something like...
I don't know this is true.
I mean, this is just what I've heard.
What I've heard is that he'll say, well, I only eat a bowl of soup a day.
Meanwhile, he's fucking eating food, man.
Look at him.
He weighs 220 pounds.
He would disappear.
Exactly.
unidentified
That's the thing.
joe rogan
Stop it with your crazy talk.
freddy lockhart
He's massive.
His traps start from the bottom of his ears and go down here.
joe rogan
I don't necessarily believe his diet.
Yeah, but I'm a huge fan.
freddy lockhart
Yeah, he's...
I mean, I've heard my whole life growing up, they're like, he only does push-ups, he only does prison work.
joe rogan
Yeah, I mean, he does.
He does.
freddy lockhart
I bought that, but the meal thing, I was like, there's no way.
joe rogan
It doesn't make any sense.
freddy lockhart
Your body would eat it, your muscles would continue to start to eat themselves.
joe rogan
There's no food.
That's not enough calories.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's ridiculous.
It doesn't make any sense.
It's just, it's like one plus one is 89. Right.
That's what you're saying to me.
You're saying you eat a bowl of soup every day?
Yeah.
Okay, and you weigh 220 and you fucking do MMA workouts for three hours a day and you're 47. Exactly, yeah.
What are you talking about?
What are you talking about?
You just said some nonsense.
freddy lockhart
I'm God.
unidentified
That's who I am.
joe rogan
I don't know what he's really eating.
I don't even know what he really said.
But I've heard people that were very knowledgeable, that were professional fitness people, instructors, and personal trainers, fight trainers, and nutritionists.
I've heard a conversation among six guys, and they were all saying, there's no fucking way.
There's no way.
freddy lockhart
There's no way.
Even with supplements, there's no way.
joe rogan
It's like this guy's eating food.
He has to eat foods.
freddy lockhart
You have to.
joe rogan
Some guys go vegan.
There's a lot of guys that are vegans.
That's pretty extreme.
Antonio McKee is a very successful wrestler.
He's really good.
He's been undefeated for, I think, six, seven years in a row.
Just fucking takes guys down, outworks them.
He's a vegan.
Straight vegan.
Mac Danzig, he's another one.
unidentified
Straight vegan.
freddy lockhart
What's the deal, though?
How do you get your protein?
It's like, I could never be one.
joe rogan
Quinoa is the best source because quinoa is this grain that...
Yeah, it's spelled Quinona.
It's spelled like Q-U-I-O-N-A or something like that.
It's really good.
And it's a grain that has all the amino acids in it.
But if you have hemp protein, you're not going to get all of them.
And if you have rice protein, you're not going to get all of them.
You don't get the same stuff that you get out of meat unless you're very careful.
You've got to be really careful with your protein.
freddy lockhart
I mean, is it better to be a vegetarian, do you think?
joe rogan
I don't think so.
Not necessarily.
You know, it's an interesting story when Travis Barker from Blink 180, whatever the fuck it is.
What is he from?
The dude with tattoos, yeah.
You know, that guy got in a terrible plane crash.
Right, with the DJ. Yeah, well, when he got fucked up in that plane crash, that's when he became a meat eater.
Because the skin grafts weren't taking.
Skin grafts weren't taking, and then once he started eating meat, they started taking.
freddy lockhart
Wow.
brian redban
I've been eating hardcore vegan for the last couple weeks.
joe rogan
How many dicks do you suck in those times?
brian redban
No, but I've been only doing it like 90% of the time, meaning I still throw in steak and stuff like that here and there, so I'm not doing 100% vegan, but I have noticed since I've been eating it, I just feel way better.
unidentified
Well, you need to clean your diet up.
joe rogan
For you, you need to clean your diet up.
You know that.
brian redban
I've always been eating healthy for Weight Watchers because I've been doing Weight Watchers for like four years.
You still do Weight Watchers?
Yeah, I've been on Weight Watchers too.
joe rogan
But you fluctuate.
You go back and forth.
What I'm saying is that you're obviously not watching it all the time.
And if you do and you all of a sudden get on this trick thing like a vegan diet, when you're getting all these nutrients and all this fiber and all this water in your system, you're going to feel way better for sure.
But a lot of it is because...
brian redban
I've been eating a shitload of quinoa, though.
That's my new favorite thing.
joe rogan
Quinoa.
Quinoa, yeah.
Like I said, it's spelled funky.
freddy lockhart
But it's protein?
joe rogan
Yeah, what they say is the most complete plant-based protein.
brian redban
There's a place called Swingers that makes the best.
You just go there and get a side of it.
joe rogan
I make protein shakes.
I put hemp protein in it.
Hemp protein's pretty good.
But whey protein really is better.
freddy lockhart
That's what I was doing.
I was doing 150 grams of the whey protein in it.
But you know, strangely enough, I developed a kidney stone shortly after that.
I'd rather get shot next time.
joe rogan
Gotta drink water, son.
freddy lockhart
Yeah, I'm drinking a lot more now.
joe rogan
Very important.
Even better than water.
You ever have coconut water?
No.
Oh, shit, son.
freddy lockhart
Oh, you got some coconut water up in here?
joe rogan
Shit, I got some coconut.
brian redban
It's the best coconut water.
joe rogan
It's called O2C. It's called CO2. CO2. C2O. Yeah, C2O. That's fucking awesome.
unidentified
Wait.
brian redban
Way better than that coconut one or whatever it's called.
joe rogan
Sorry about that, ladies and gentlemen.
Is this thing still on?
Because it just crashed.
brian redban
Yeah, it's cool.
joe rogan
This coconut water is the fucking bomb diggity, folks.
And it's super healthy for you.
Coconut water, if you look at its nutritional profile, it's way better for you than sports drinks.
It's the best for you right after you get done working out.
freddy lockhart
Sweet.
joe rogan
It's delicious, too.
freddy lockhart
It is good.
joe rogan
So, you gotta take care of your body, son.
That's all we're talking about here.
Fitness and shit.
freddy lockhart
I just started, you know, I'm 31 now.
joe rogan
By the way, I have to say this one more time because I get people complain when someone goes, oh, I'm a vegetarian.
I go, how many dicks do you suck?
I'm not serious, okay?
Fucking relax with the tweets.
You ignorant asshole.
Vegetarianism does not equal gay.
If you're down with animal suffering and cruelty...
It's just a joke, man.
brian redban
Do you think Mr. Rogers was gay?
Because I watched it the other day, and I felt like I was watching myself getting raped or something.
It was like, whoa, this creepy guy.
Oh my god, he's so gay now.
freddy lockhart
There's a lot of characters like that, or like Mr. Wizard that couldn't be around today, like old guy doing experiments in the basement.
joe rogan
I think Mr. Rogers was probably one of those guys that was gay, but...
brian redban
He never did anything.
joe rogan
He didn't do anything because he didn't want to ruin his reputation.
freddy lockhart
He was like Dexter.
joe rogan
He sat home and cried.
brian redban
He probably had three secrets that haunted him every day.
unidentified
Fred Rogers is a pillar in the woods.
joe rogan
Something probably happened.
brian redban
But whatever, that drawing, the artist guy used to go on canoe trips with kids.
Bob Ross.
unidentified
Oh yeah, Bob Ross.
Me and Bob Ross are going to go canoeing with the kids this weekend.
freddy lockhart
It's a beautiful day.
joe rogan
Are you battling impressions?
freddy lockhart
I like, you know who I love is Huell Houser, you know?
joe rogan
Yeah, sure, sure.
freddy lockhart
Isn't he the best?
joe rogan
He's only an L.A. guy before the rest of the country.
freddy lockhart
He's this local guy, and he's kind of a country bumpkin, but he's just as nice and as pleased with everything.
You take him anywhere, he's like, wow, what's that?
They'll be like, it's a water fountain.
It's not even on the floor.
Let's go.
Oh, wow, what does it do?
But he's on PBS. It's one of these shows.
You get so addicted to watching such bad programming, you begin to love it, like really love it.
And you just see this guy, and he goes all around California, kind of annoying people, but he's likable, you know what I mean?
And I saw him one time, I lived in LA, Hollywood for 10 years, and I was like starstruck.
I was like, now there's a star, Hill Houser.
Because you feel like you're the only one on earth watching his show.
joe rogan
Well, other people watch it, too, and it becomes entertaining.
What is unentertaining and is terrible becomes so terrible, it becomes awesome.
freddy lockhart
Yeah, exactly.
joe rogan
And then it becomes weird.
freddy lockhart
It's like watching a really bad newscast or something.
joe rogan
They don't know that it's...
The problem with the guys that are doing unintentional comedy, they don't know they're doing that, they don't know.
So when you talk to them, that's when you get bummed out.
freddy lockhart
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
You start talking to them.
freddy lockhart
Because you're goofing on them.
joe rogan
But they don't want to be goofed on.
I have a meeting with Oliver Stone.
Oh, God.
freddy lockhart
Wow, it sure is neat.
joe rogan
Some dudes, they don't want to be that guy.
freddy lockhart
Yeah, who else is like that?
And some people embrace it, though.
You take a Hasselhoff or William Shatner.
That's the coolest guy ever.
You know what I mean?
It's like, I'm a douchebag, yes, but...
unidentified
I'm a good one.
freddy lockhart
You know, it's just got that, it's got that I know I'm a douche feeling.
joe rogan
I don't think he's a douche.
unidentified
No, he's not a douche.
joe rogan
He's just got so much, so many people tugging at him, you have to act a certain way.
You have to be able to distance yourself slightly from people.
freddy lockhart
He embraces the caricature he is.
You know what I mean?
joe rogan
There's a little of that, but he's also, you know, he's a fucking talented guy.
He's been around a long goddamn time.
freddy lockhart
Dude, I worshiped it.
joe rogan
And people probably fuck with him all day.
freddy lockhart
Yeah.
brian redban
I don't know anything about Priceline.
freddy lockhart
Yeah, exactly.
He was killer.
He's on the greatest Twilight Zone episode ever, Nightmare at 20,000 Feet.
joe rogan
How crazy is my man Charlie Sheen?
freddy lockhart
Oh, dude, I love it.
The story just keeps getting better.
joe rogan
How crazy is my man Charlie Sheen?
If you don't know the story, Charlie Sheen got arrested in a hotel in New York City, coked up, screaming nigger, while a prostitute was locked in his bathroom.
unidentified
Yeah.
brian redban
A porn star prostitute.
joe rogan
A porn star prostitute.
freddy lockhart
Who wasn't even black.
brian redban
Porn stars.
joe rogan
Yeah, she wasn't black.
freddy lockhart
Who wasn't even black.
He just brought the word in.
joe rogan
He wanted to get her to fuck him, but she wouldn't do anything until she got her money, and he couldn't find his money.
This is a story that Radar Online was saying.
freddy lockhart
Right.
joe rogan
So he fucking starts punching holes in the wall, screaming nigger.
freddy lockhart
Yeah, I love that.
When I heard that, I was like, it's getting so good now.
joe rogan
It's like it couldn't get any better.
freddy lockhart
Yeah, it really can't.
joe rogan
The only way it could get better is if this bitch had her iPhone out.
Please, please release the video.
freddy lockhart
I'm almost looking at this guy, almost like, he's untouchable.
This guy's untouchable.
joe rogan
He's a bad motherfucker.
He's a bad dude.
He's got a raise.
brian redban
There's something going on there, because I don't know if you guys remember, like, six months ago, there was something to do with, like, Mexican gangs and those guys.
joe rogan
Yeah, and what guys?
brian redban
The cast of that show, the two dads and a kid, ugly, nasty kid show.
freddy lockhart
Somebody was trying to, his ex-wife hired a dude, like Omar from The Wire or something, to go kill him.
There was a hit put out on Charlie Sheen.
No, on Ducky.
brian redban
The other guy from the show.
freddy lockhart
The other guy from the show.
brian redban
Dude, that show is straight up gangster.
You go see a filming of that.
joe rogan
I like how you say straight up gangster and you do it with your hands.
You're the least gangster man that ever exists.
brian redban
You go do a filming of that, there's probably some sketchy shit there, you know?
Like, there's probably, like, crazy gang.
freddy lockhart
And the worst thing is, the show is awful.
brian redban
I know, it seems That show is horrible.
freddy lockhart
I don't understand if Mad Men was riddled with shit like that.
I'd be like, that'd be pretty cool.
But it's like, this show is the worst show ever and it gets the best ratings ever.
Like, it's the biggest, it's the highest rated show, sitcom.
joe rogan
What is the big deal behind this show?
What do people like about it?
freddy lockhart
You know, it's the one-liners.
It's the quips.
It's just, you know, it appeals to families, I guess.
I don't know.
brian redban
It's kind of, you know, I watch it because every girl I date for some reason likes that show.
So I have that shit on my DVR. So once in a while, that's one of my go-to-bed shows.
freddy lockhart
You're dating stupid whores, then.
brian redban
Yeah, I know.
I am.
But, like, I put it on before I go to bed, so I end up, like, half-watching it, and it's, you know, it's just fucking, it's a sitcom, you know?
freddy lockhart
It's just, it's a sitcom.
joe rogan
I only watched one part of one episode.
I was like, alright, let's see what this is all about.
freddy lockhart
I gave it, like, 15 seconds to fuck I mean, as a comedian, you just can't.
joe rogan
People don't know how hard it is to go from being a comedian to doing shitty comedy.
Shitty comedy is hard.
Doing a shitty sitcom, shitty sitcoms are a brutality.
They're really hard to do.
They're terrible.
brian redban
You've done sitcoms.
What was your show again, Freddie?
joe rogan
Was you on a shitty one, man?
freddy lockhart
Oh, I was on a shitty one.
unidentified
Yeah, Frank TV. That wasn't a shitty one, was it?
freddy lockhart
No, it was a decent sketch.
It was small, I'll say.
It was small.
It wasn't like showing up to the set of a major network.
It was TBS. But I had fun.
It was enjoyable.
But news radio, now that's huge.
Now what was that like showing up?
joe rogan
It wasn't huge.
freddy lockhart
Did that become a huge after?
joe rogan
No, it became huge after.
While we were on the air, I mean, we got to syndication, barely, but we were supposed to get 100 episodes.
We actually only did 98. But what happened with news radio is we just kept getting moved.
We got moved nine times over the course of five seasons.
Yeah, we got moved like crazy.
And you realize that a lot of what puts a sitcom in certain places, like Paul Sims used to talk about it, there was the shit sandwich movie.
Between Friends and there was something else that was on after Friends.
Will and Grace or something.
Something else that was good.
And they would always sandwich these shitty shows in those spots before that.
And those shows would be huge.
There was one called The Single Guy.
There was this terrible show.
A really nice guy.
It was the star, Jonathan something or another.
freddy lockhart
Yeah, I remember.
joe rogan
Super nice guy.
But the show was terrible.
It just wasn't good.
But meanwhile, it was getting giant monster ratings.
Jonathan Silverman?
Yes.
So people would watch it.
And, you know, Sims would bitch and we would get moved around.
And we were on, like, Tuesday and Sunday and Wednesday and Monday.
We just got moved all over the place.
And no one even...
When the show got canceled, it partially was because Phil Hartman got killed.
And so the last season we did with Lovitz.
And the season...
The last season, for a couple reasons, wasn't as good.
It wasn't as good because we had a different executive producer because Paul Sims was working on this other thing called Overseas that I was the star of.
It was another sitcom that they were trying to do on NBC. And part of it was because...
Phil was gone, and it was a totally different vibe.
So we had John Lovitz, who was very funny, but he was very different, and we had to kind of adjust, and everybody was all fucked up, because just a few months ago, the dude was hanging out with us, and now he's murdered.
And we have to do a whole episode where we have to talk about how he died, and then this guy, the Lovitz character, gets introduced.
So that was part of the reason why I got canceled.
But the other reason was it wasn't that successful.
They would come in.
We got moved around so many times.
The writers would come in like this guy, Lou Morton, who's hilarious.
Very, very funny writer.
This motherfucker got me addicted to Quake.
He was the guy who got me addicted because he was really good at it.
We would battle back and forth at work because they had a whole Quake land, local area network set up there.
He used to come in on the day the ratings were released with whatever number we were.
It became like a joke.
Written on his t-shirt.
He came in one day and it said 88.
freddy lockhart
We were 88th.
joe rogan
Out of all the shows on TV, we were 88th.
freddy lockhart
Especially in 97, 98th.
Were there even that many shows on TV?
joe rogan
There were not that many shows.
We were like, whoa, 88th.
It might have been 84th.
It was in the 80s.
freddy lockhart
The thing is, weren't you just glad to show up and be working in Hollywood?
For sure.
joe rogan
Definitely.
Absolutely.
What I'm saying is, people would always bitch.
People on the set would be like, this is fucking bullshit.
Why does Caroline and the City get to be on?
They would call it Caroline and the Shitty.
Did you see the new promo for Caroline and the Shitty?
Fucking show is terrible.
There was a lot of that going on.
There was a lot of that going on on the set.
But there was also a lot of people that were like, we're doing something really special.
This is a lot of fun.
freddy lockhart
Well, as a comedian, too, you already have kind of more of a blue-collar work ethic that we have over actors, I think, a lot of times.
Not all actors.
joe rogan
I for sure appreciated it more because I never expected it.
freddy lockhart
Right.
joe rogan
It's a different thing.
Actors, they always grow up wanting to be in sitcoms.
Me, I was in a sitcom almost perchance.
freddy lockhart
Oh, wow.
joe rogan
The whole thing became...
I never took actors.
freddy lockhart
I heard this story about...
Did I hear it right that Ray Romano was...
joe rogan
He was the original.
freddy lockhart
He was the original.
joe rogan
My character.
freddy lockhart
Couldn't cut it.
joe rogan
Yeah, they fired him and hired another actor to do it for the pilot.
So then the other actor did it for the pilot, and then they fired him and hired me.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
So I didn't really take Ray's part.
I took the guy who stole Ray's part.
freddy lockhart
Isn't that something, how stories work out?
Like, just that close, it could have been some other...
joe rogan
Well, they just decided to go a different way with it.
It wasn't that Ray wasn't good.
It was like Ray was older and Ray was more relaxed.
They were trying to figure out.
So the next guy was like the zany guy.
unidentified
He's like, all right, what have I got over here?
joe rogan
And they're like, that didn't work either.
And then I just got lucky.
I just came in.
freddy lockhart
Had you taken a bunch of acting classes?
joe rogan
No, I'd been on a shitty show, though.
I got a development deal with Fox.
It was with Disney, actually.
And then I was on this show called Hardball.
This is how bad the show was.
It was a baseball show.
It was a sitcom.
And it could have been hilarious.
Because the guys who originally wrote it, those guys named Jeff Martin and Kevin Curran, they were writers for The Simpsons.
And they wrote for Married with Children.
They were brilliant.
And they wrote a brilliant pilot.
The pilot was hilarious.
Jim Brewer was in the pilot, too.
Yeah, and Mike Starr, you might have seen him, he's in Goodfellas, there's been a bunch of movies, and Bruce Greenwood, and it was a good cast, a good Alexandra Wentworth, but the real problem was with the network, and they didn't want these guys, Jeff and Kevin, to be the producers of the show, because they didn't think they knew how to run a show.
So they brought in this other dude, and this other dude just started to Oh my god.
who was playing my girlfriend in this first episode he became friends with this chick and would take her on his yacht and they would write and he would do blown fucker and come back with the worst scripts But when they would come back, she would have more lines.
It was great.
And finally, we filmed a few episodes with this guy.
And he was so hated.
The tension on the set was so bad that they decided to fire him.
They got rid of him.
And they brought in another guy.
And the other guy closed it out.
But it was only eight episodes.
Only seven of them aired.
And it was death.
And I was done with that.
I was like, fuck acting.
This is terrible acting.
This is the shit you have to deal with?
I was ready to go back to New York.
But I fucked up and got a whole year lease on this apartment.
I couldn't afford.
I was ready to go back.
I was like, I'm done.
I'm a comedian, man.
freddy lockhart
Fuck all this.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
I was totally ready to go.
And then, all of a sudden, boom, I auditioned for NewsRadio, and I'm on it.
I mean, literally like a month later.
I'm on this new show, and I'm fucking working with Phil Hartman.
So I go from never taking an acting class, never even thinking about doing acting, doing stand-up at fucking Jimmy's Comedy Alley in Queens, and then a week later, I'm in Hollywood, and two months later, I'm sitting across the table read from Phil Hartman going, what the fuck?
What the fuck is going on here?
freddy lockhart
That's some cool shit.
joe rogan
It was bizarre.
It was beyond bizarre.
freddy lockhart
Yeah, it's cool.
You've lived multiple lives, it seems like.
You're accomplished in multiple arenas where it's like, you did this, done with that, do this, done with that.
I think that's the thing about life.
You have to keep just trying new shit.
There's so many things.
A lot of times I'll say, I want to get into this, but my life's over.
I'm 31. I'll be like, why not?
joe rogan
Why not get into that?
You know how many times I contemplate playing professional pool?
I stop and think about how much money would I have to squirrel away for a year to join the pro tour and try to practice 8-10 hours a day and try to make a run at playing pool.
And just place.
I just want to place in a tournament.
freddy lockhart
You know you got it in you.
You get that feeling.
It's like when you come and you do something like this in Hollywood or accomplish yourself in a sport.
You know, and you become the elite of your company.
It's like, you want to do it again.
You want to find something that you can...
It's like guys who become scratch golfers.
Like, I think Justin Timberlake or somebody is almost like a scratch golfer at this point.
Like, he's really good.
joe rogan
Just kind of obsessed with it.
freddy lockhart
Yeah, I'm like, he kind of should be.
You know what I mean?
joe rogan
He's a bad motherfucker.
freddy lockhart
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's Musashi's quote.
Once you understand the way broadly, you can see it in all things.
That's one of my favorite quotes.
I like that.
And it's all about recognizing what it takes to really master something.
It really takes to get in tune with what is great about something.
freddy lockhart
The Buddha says, if you want to know how good you're doing at something, look back every ten years.
That's another one.
That's one I love.
joe rogan
But that takes ten years to see your progress.
freddy lockhart
Yeah.
Which he always means, stop looking back at your progress and just keep thinking it right now.
joe rogan
Goddamn tricky Buddhists.
Yeah.
freddy lockhart
Goddamn it.
brian redban
Was Johnny Appleseed real, or is that just a fictional character?
freddy lockhart
He's real, and the story is bullshit.
joe rogan
What is the story?
freddy lockhart
The story is that he sprinkled seeds basically all throughout the western state.
When the Louisiana Purchase happened, I think he went and just goes sprinkling seeds.
I saw a thing about seeds, and they're like, apples don't grow that way.
Certain seeds don't grow in certain regions.
The first one dies.
There's a real maintenance.
An apple tree is a hard fucking thing.
It's almost like a baby being born.
A lot of shit has to go right.
Really?
You know what I mean?
Apple trees are hard to pull off.
And they said that him just going around doing that, all it would create is sour grape-sized apples.
It just doesn't work that way.
You've got to cultivate.
You've got to know what you're doing.
brian redban
So do you think he spent time to actually plant them properly, or he just didn't really do it and he was just trying to get attention?
freddy lockhart
I think he set up the one actual little farm for himself, but like I said, the second generation don't give off as good as the first, and you have to stick around and maintain that.
They act like he's just sprinkled it along the countryside, wearing a pot on his head.
brian redban
Maybe it was just his song to promote his apple farm that he did.
freddy lockhart
I think the legend is up there with Paul Bunyan, pretty much.
Watch Shelly Appleseed as great-great-grandmother.
You motherfucker!
joe rogan
Do you think that you would just get used to living like people lived back in those days?
Do people just get used to it?
Or do you think it was like, life sucked back then?
freddy lockhart
Like, did they know it?
joe rogan
Were they like, what the fuck?
Life is too fucking hard.
freddy lockhart
I think so.
I think with those pioneers and the people who came out to settle the West, it's like big balls.
I give them big credit for that.
They came down to the soil in North Dakota.
You can't get through that shit.
Good luck farming that.
joe rogan
Imagine they got through that shit with horses.
freddy lockhart
The number of people coming out were just dying in droves, but once they finally tackled it and got it going, those are the ones who obviously survived and later thrived.
I wouldn't want to try that shit.
Crazy life.
uh national geographic or something was a reality show but it was like it was basically a survivor but no prize to be won they just threw you out here you gotta survive in alaska so i watched that i watched the whole thing it was fucking great dude and it really talks about like dudes were getting hungry like in the first six hours like i can't do this shit then when like even a real big like this cop dude like he couldn't hack it after a while but ladies were able to hack it it was just they were killing squirrels with their bare hands to eat yeah and And they quickly adapted to that, wouldn't you say?
Like after the first week, all civility goes out the window.
No more table manners.
joe rogan
I watched one of the first episodes only, but they couldn't find anything to kill.
They killed a squirrel and it fell in a hole.
They shot it and it fell in a hole and they couldn't get to it.
freddy lockhart
Yeah, they couldn't get to it and they were just starving.
They had no food.
joe rogan
There was nothing.
freddy lockhart
Delirious.
You have to start training your body in this sick way to just take one morsel of something and maximize your shit.
They'd get a kill finally and they'd make a stew because a stew will go further and you can transport a stew.
Because that's the thing too.
You've got to bring your food with you if you kill something.
They ate a porcupine.
It was the most disgusting looking thing when they field dress this thing.
unidentified
Things spilled out of there I'd never seen in my life.
joe rogan
Porcupine.
What's the show called again?
I don't remember.
freddy lockhart
It was something about Alaska.
joe rogan
I think I got it saved.
freddy lockhart
Yeah, it was good.
I watched the whole thing.
It was pretty damn good.
In the end, they were emaciated looking.
They looked horrible.
joe rogan
Yeah, there's a guy we've talked about on the show.
Do you ever go to that website, vbs.tv?
There's the Vice Guide to Travel.
There's a whole series they do online.
It's great, great stuff.
And one of them, they went to this guy...
I think his name is Heinmo.
It's a strange name, but this guy lives in, like, northeastern Alaska.
He lives in, like, this area where only a few people have permission to still live up there, and he lives in this one-room cabin, and he's been up there for 30 years.
This guy literally never saw the towers fall, and he can speak good English.
He's a very intelligent guy.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And he lives his life just hunting and gathering, just following caribou around, shooting them.
He has a couple cabins that he walks to.
He has no car.
He does everything on foot.
He gets supplies dropped.
freddy lockhart
He was going to ask.
joe rogan
Yeah.
He gets, like, bullets, and I guess he must get some vegetables.
I don't know what happens there.
I don't know if he gets canned vegetables, but he's not eating any vegetables on the show.
All he's eating is caribou that he kills and fish that he catches.
And that's what he does every day.
Every day he's following caribou around, shooting them, but he's a very bright Is that a fire alarm?
unidentified
Fire alarm?
joe rogan
I don't know what that is, man.
Oh, it's a water thing.
That was crazy.
That was a pipe.
What the fuck kind of show is this?
That's how ghetto this show is.
My pipes are making crazy noises.
You know what that is?
That's the in-house vacuum cleaner.
It's been fucking up lately.
brian redban
He has these vacuum cleaners where the whole walls are back.
freddy lockhart
I've heard a tale of those before.
It was cool to actually see one.
This house is the shit, by the way.
Thanks, man.
It's cool.
Thank God you got that audition that time, huh?
It all worked out.
joe rogan
The reason why I was willing to do something like Fear Factor was after doing a bad sitcom and then entertaining the idea of doing another bad sitcom after News Radio.
I was like, I'd rather do something that's not funny at all.
I'd rather do...
What else can I do to get paid?
I can do this, and you'll pay me?
Let's do this.
I can do that, too.
freddy lockhart
As a comic, I don't watch comedy.
I can't stand it.
It won't make me laugh.
I like drama, and I like sci-fi.
joe rogan
Movies are good.
I like the hangover.
The hangover was hilarious.
freddy lockhart
Movies are always good.
They don't screw you over.
They're not trying to fit in a laugh every minute and ten seconds.
joe rogan
Right, right.
They're trying to make a good story.
freddy lockhart
They can do a good story, and I like Galifianakis a lot.
I think he's...
brian redban
Have you seen the new one?
unidentified
No.
freddy lockhart
Is it good?
brian redban
I heard Brody's awesome in it.
freddy lockhart
Brody, that's so great that Brody's in it.
joe rogan
Is it out?
Is Doodate out?
freddy lockhart
Yeah, Doodate out.
Steve Brenner's easy saw it and said it was really good.
joe rogan
Look, you can't go wrong with Galifianakis.
He's just funny.
freddy lockhart
He's going to make a real mark like a Bill Murray, I think.
He's huge.
joe rogan
He's already like that.
The way people love him, he's already like that.
freddy lockhart
What about the whole stink, though?
joe rogan
I mean, Bill Murray obviously is a legend, but Galifianakis is when Bill Murray was coming up and he was in that vibe.
You remember Stripes?
freddy lockhart
Yeah, absolutely.
joe rogan
Dude, when Stripes was coming out, man, Bill Murray, anything he could say was funny.
He just would watch him.
Galifianakis is like...
freddy lockhart
He's getting there.
I never watched stand-up comedy.
One night I was watching Netflix.
I was like, I'll check him out at the Purple Onion.
I was genuinely laughing my ass off.
joe rogan
He's very funny.
freddy lockhart
As a performer, it's a very precise, crafted thing that he does, and he's really good at it.
To the point where I can respect it and be like, oh, wow.
Because as a comedian, it's like a magician.
It's like, oh, I know how he did it.
Oh, I see that.
That's great.
Good job.
But I was literally laughing.
joe rogan
Who makes you laugh the most?
Besides me.
freddy lockhart
Guys like you, Brody, obviously your friends.
joe rogan
I still laugh.
Brody, he's probably the biggest unspoken treasure.
freddy lockhart
Brody probably.
He just gets to all of us.
And the thing about Brody is you have to see him live.
I think you and I talked about this.
You have to see him in person to get the joke.
Because people who just see him online, there's something missing in the two-dimensional world.
You have to see and feel and know the mannerisms and see that this is a character, but goddammit, is this character...
Always, you know, being attended to.
It's like...
joe rogan
Okay, hold on.
I'm gonna put a stop to that.
No, stop time at all.
freddy lockhart
He makes me laugh.
Bill Burr makes me laugh a lot.
joe rogan
Bill Burr is hilarious.
He's always writing, too.
freddy lockhart
I've heard his mention that he's one of the best right now.
People are starting to say that.
It's like you get so knee-deep in it.
Caparulo is my best friend.
I forget he's famous now.
It's weird.
It's like we go places.
He gets mobbed.
joe rogan
Is that from the Chelsea Handler show?
freddy lockhart
Yeah, big time.
That seemed to just put him through the roof.
Now he's doing great on the road.
He's happy.
He just got engaged the other day.
joe rogan
Oh, that should work out well.
freddy lockhart
Yeah, in Hermosa Beach.
She got engaged.
joe rogan
Is she going to let them play Xbox?
Yeah.
brian redban
Hey, come over here.
freddy lockhart
We'll still play Madden, I'm sure, but we'll play online.
But it's like, you know, things make me laugh that sometimes it's not even a person or a comedian.
It's a dog.
Dogs make me laugh.
joe rogan
Right, but I mean like with stand-ups.
Do you like Patton Oswalt?
freddy lockhart
I do off and on.
joe rogan
You do off and on?
He's one of my favorites, man.
freddy lockhart
The Comedians of Comedy Tour, you know, I like that a lot.
I like, because Galifianakis did some work on that one, and then, who are the other nerds?
Brian Pesain.
brian redban
Yeah.
freddy lockhart
He's great.
I like Patton Oz.
What I do, because he appeals to comedians, is that sometimes he's just a little too...
brian redban
I think he's comfortable.
freddy lockhart
He's very smart.
brian redban
He did this bit.
He did this bit that I fucking...
One of those, I wish I thought of that, because I've often thought about it, but I never thought it was funny, about how all those stores on Melrose and stuff, you're like, how do these places pay for the rent?
They're selling candles.
His rent's probably like $3,000.
This whole bit on that, fucking brilliant.
He just...
I think that was one he just made up that night.
joe rogan
He's a writer.
He's a real good writer.
freddy lockhart
You see the kid who ripped him off and was doing his jokes?
That was hilarious.
joe rogan
Well, two kids ripped him off.
One kid ripped him off during a commencement speech or some sort of a graduation speech.
freddy lockhart
How can you do that?
joe rogan
He fucked up.
And it was one that's online, man.
It's like a fucking...
freddy lockhart
Especially now, see, that's what the internet is doing.
It's eradicating liars.
It's getting rid of liars.
At least there's a major reference point here.
It's like, you know, because remember, like, when you were a kid, you know, there'd be a kid in your fifth grade, my dad plays for the Raiders.
It's like, I'm pretty sure he doesn't, but I can't really prove that wrong.
But it's like, now, you can prove the person wrong on the spot.
joe rogan
There's some crazy liars out there, man.
I remember one time I was at this club in Florida, and this guy goes, yeah, my boy's on the phone.
My boy fought Chuck Liddell before I beat him back in 99. And You know, it's like 99 or whatever the fuck the date was.
So I get on the phone with this guy.
I go, what's up?
unidentified
He goes, yeah, yeah, fuck Chuck Liddell, fuck Chuck Liddell.
joe rogan
I go, what happened?
I stopped him.
I go, what year was this?
He tells me the year.
I go, that didn't happen.
I go, the only people Chuck's lost to at the time was Jeremy Horn, and he had just lost to Randy.
I'm like, there's the only people he's lost to.
What are you talking about, man?
No, man.
This guy just made something up.
Just made some crazy story up about fighting Chuck Liddell.
It was like totally artificial.
unidentified
He just made it up.
freddy lockhart
Don't you think they document something that important, you know?
brian redban
Yeah, it's just like how people come up to you and they're always like saying, dude, my friend used to hang out with you.
unidentified
There's just these stories that people tell people to get like...
joe rogan
I was partying with him in Vegas.
When you came back to the room, it was hilarious.
brian redban
I found out...
joe rogan
It's a lot of great jokes.
brian redban
I found out exactly what this shit tastes like.
The C2O water.
Drink it and think of cereal milk.
Cereal milk.
freddy lockhart
Cereal milk.
brian redban
After Gordon Graham's.
freddy lockhart
It tastes like that.
joe rogan
It's delicious.
It's healthy for you too.
It's all real pure coconut water.
brian redban
Yeah, it's delicious.
joe rogan
Right out of coconut water.
unidentified
Good shit.
freddy lockhart
Where do you get that at?
brian redban
Online.
freddy lockhart
Who's your dealer?
brian redban
Sketchy website.
joe rogan
Some dude got it in LA, but I don't know what store he got it from.
He brought it to jiu-jitsu and he was handing them out.
brian redban
They actually sell them at nutrition stores and I just found out.
joe rogan
Do they?
brian redban
Yeah, it's like Pretty good.
Two dollars a bottle.
joe rogan
We should be getting a cut from this.
brian redban
I know.
We should be a sponsor.
joe rogan
Bullshit.
freddy lockhart
Yeah, dude.
You gotta get them.
You gotta get free shit out of this.
brian redban
Plus light and coconut water.
joe rogan
So, you know, I just realized talking to you about impressions that, you know, I don't, I've never practiced any of the impressions that I've done.
I just do them.
Like with Joey Diaz or something like that.
I just know I can do it and I just do it.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Are you that way too?
Like you hear someone talk?
freddy lockhart
Yeah, I think it's like you've got to get out of your own way.
You just let it filter in and come out of you.
You'll hear it.
If you try to scrutinize it, you'll really start to fuck it up.
How do you practice it?
I'll listen to them on headphones, and if I don't hear my voice anymore, that means I've matched it.
joe rogan
Whoa!
freddy lockhart
It means I've matched it.
Like the Morgan Freeman I started working on in 8th grade.
joe rogan
Let me hear that.
freddy lockhart
Hold on, Joe Rogan.
Let me get to that.
Let's see here.
There's a fella named Morgan Freeman.
And I started working on the impression when I was in the 8th grade.
Yes, sir.
I was about 14 years old.
Jerked off 7 times a day.
joe rogan
Dude, that is creepy.
freddy lockhart
And it took me forever.
And what happened...
joe rogan
That's creepy.
freddy lockhart
And the way I finally perfected it when I was like 22, I saw Ben Affleck on...
Dave Letterman.
And he was doing a Morgan Freeman impression.
But it was horrible.
But he was doing one thing I wasn't doing right.
It's that mm-hmm thing.
It's on here.
He was adding that, but everything else was wrong.
And I married the two.
And I was talking like Morgan Freeman all day.
I was calling restaurants.
Be like, I'd like to get a table for two, please.
Interesting.
And they're like, okay, Mr. Freeman, I was testing it out, and I was like, oh my god, this is amazing.
So when I nail one, I've been working on a Tom Hanks for years, and I still can't get it.
There's something, but he's one of those, like Ice-T, like Morgan Freeman, everybody knows who he is, but nobody does him.
And somewhere in here, I found that I can go back and forth with it, but it's...
joe rogan
You're missing a little, yeah, you get it.
freddy lockhart
I'm game show host-y with it right now, but it's like, there's World War II Tom Hanks, who's very solemn and talks about World War II. But then there's, you know, I'm on Conan O'Brien.
joe rogan
It's almost like the shape of your head is wrong.
You can't make that noise.
No, I think that is.
I think that has a lot to do with impressions.
There's certain impressions that I can do that other people can't do.
I think it's the shape of my face.
There's ways to manipulate your throat.
I mean, I can tell...
You can talk like that.
Definitely.
freddy lockhart
You know, you can contort your mouth like Biggie Smalls.
I started working on that impression one time, too.
And I found out I could sound like a fat guy.
But it's like you can contort your mouth.
joe rogan
Can you do Ralphie Mae?
freddy lockhart
He's a little high-pitched.
unidentified
Hey, man!
I got something!
brian redban
Joe Rogan!
unidentified
Joe Rogan!
brian redban
I went to this market.
joe rogan
Joe Rogan!
Much love, Ralphie, if you're listening.
You know we love you.
brian redban
He's like Cartman almost.
joe rogan
Ralphie smokes more weed than any of us.
freddy lockhart
Oh, dude, did you hear the story about him getting caught up there?
That was so brilliant.
unidentified
He's like, man, I went down to pet the dog.
joe rogan
My man is bringing weed across the world.
freddy lockhart
Yeah, that's great.
joe rogan
That's risky.
Don't you know anybody there?
freddy lockhart
I would much rather try to find a connect.
joe rogan
You can find a connect, man.
Trust me.
freddy lockhart
Especially in Guam.
joe rogan
You're going to be okay, dude.
They're growing that shit like crazy out there.
freddy lockhart
Big time.
And it probably goes well.
joe rogan
Yeah.
It's a cash crop, son.
unidentified
Get it.
joe rogan
Number one cash crop in Hawaii.
And they're trying to eradicate it all the time.
Today, by the way, Proposition 19. Today, it all goes down.
freddy lockhart
How's it looking?
Has anyone been checking?
The score?
What's this latest news?
joe rogan
It's 52 to 7. If it loses, it will mark how oppressed we truly are.
freddy lockhart
I don't think it's going to pass.
brian redban
I don't think for a second it's going to pass.
freddy lockhart
Really?
brian redban
I think it's going to be like the gay vote.
We all thought that was going to pass.
freddy lockhart
You know, and I'm just basing it on, there hasn't even been advertising.
There's not been some big push for it.
It seems like it's definitely, you know, and then there's a lot of people against it.
A lot of the growers, obviously, because who benefits during prohibition?
joe rogan
That's the problem.
The growers, a lot of the medical people are against it.
I don't know man.
I think it's evolution.
I understand their position.
I feel bad for doctors that have been prescribing weed If it becomes legal then all sudden hey, where's my business?
I'm making all my money sticking my neck out there prescribing weed I gotta go back to giving kids band-aids what the fuck yeah, you know, it's tough Maybe it'll lower the cost of health care because they all have to go be doctors again And there's more doctors.
How does that benefit that doctor just lost a job, Brian?
This is illogical.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
I think they just need to figure out another way to become a part of the system.
They're selling it, man.
Open up a fucking dispensary.
freddy lockhart
And you know what's funny?
On the other side, cops, obviously, they want it to be legal so they don't have to deal with this.
Everybody knows it should be.
It's just political suicide.
joe rogan
Cops don't give a fuck about potheads.
They know potheads are harmless.
They're worried about meth heads and fucking junkies and drunks.
That's who cops are worried about.
They're worried about violent people.
freddy lockhart
It just takes somebody to actually do something, and I don't think anybody did, and nobody's going to commit political suicide this year and come out.
That's what we need.
It was somebody huge, the president, somebody to say, but I understand why they can't.
They just can't.
joe rogan
I don't know what happens when you get in office, but clearly someone sits you down and adjusts your agenda.
Obama, before he was in office, you know, yes, I inhaled.
Well, you could say it, because it was the point.
You're doing Obama.
unidentified
Sure.
freddy lockhart
Well, it's time for weed.
I take pauses between every word I say so the stupid people can understand me.
joe rogan
Now, did you smell hot in college, sir?
freddy lockhart
I did.
joe rogan
Did you inhale?
unidentified
I took bong rips out of a homemade bong and I blew them into everybody on the floor's mouth.
freddy lockhart
We got high.
joe rogan
He talked about it openly when he was campaigning.
freddy lockhart
There is something.
They set you down.
It's like the men in black thing.
Something happens.
It's a head.
It's a figure.
joe rogan
I know, but who is pulling the strings then?
Is there a one person?
freddy lockhart
Is there a committee?
Is there a society?
joe rogan
It's like, yeah, man, if you just read about the Illuminati and listened to Alex Jones, you would know.
There's got to be a one trackable dude.
freddy lockhart
It's got to come down.
It's got to be wealth.
unidentified
Or group.
freddy lockhart
It's definitely wealth.
joe rogan
Right.
It's international bankers, right?
freddy lockhart
Yeah, it's got to be international.
Because back in America, it's found in Carnegie's and all of them.
They'd get together and be like, it's our country.
joe rogan
Dude, I'm reading this Max Taibbi article that's in Rolling Stone.
God damn it.
Damn it.
freddy lockhart
Hold on.
joe rogan
I'm going to stop that shit.
I'll be right back.
You guys talk amongst yourself.
brian redban
All right.
Let's not blow everyone's ears.
joe rogan
Talk amongst yourself.
brian redban
Hey, so...
freddy lockhart
It went away.
unidentified
Cool.
brian redban
Let's turn this back on now.
So, yeah...
freddy lockhart
I'm getting hungry, dude.
brian redban
Dude, I'm hungry.
This coconut water is delicious.
Yeah.
You actually believe in crazy dream stuff.
unidentified
Yeah.
brian redban
We have talked about this before where he sat me down and was telling his theories.
He reads all these books on...
What kind of dreaming is that called again?
freddy lockhart
Lucid dreaming.
unidentified
Lucid dreaming.
joe rogan
Sorry about that, ladies and gentlemen.
I think I have a problem with my in-house vacuum cleaner unit.
It's screaming.
It's letting me know it's dying.
What were we talking about before I took off?
unidentified
Because it was interesting.
freddy lockhart
The people who run the country.
Who runs the country?
joe rogan
So who the fuck do you think runs it?
freddy lockhart
It's not the voters.
joe rogan
What do you think happens when you get into office?
Do you think they actually, Bill Hicks style, sit you down and show you an angle of the Kennedy assassination that no one's ever seen before?
Sit in a room with that.
What did he say?
A bunch of smoky industrialists?
Any questions?
Yeah, well, what's my agenda?
freddy lockhart
Doesn't it seem like there kind of is, though?
It's like, think about the skull and bones that yell, like these real, real upper echelon kind of societies that you can never belong to, and you're privy to information that nobody...
joe rogan
That's the most likely scenario, that it's these elite colleges, and they keep this group of people in power.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
And if you talk about people that have been in the skull and bones from college, I mean, it was John Kerry, it was Bush, there's been a bunch of different people.
freddy lockhart
They're groomed for this from the get-go.
And it's like, you know, Obama not necessarily, really wasn't, but was.
If you were going to Harvard, it's not out of the question to become president.
There's a 7% acceptance rate there.
joe rogan
I think everybody who becomes president always wanted to be president.
freddy lockhart
Absolutely.
It didn't just occur to you someday.
joe rogan
It's the ultimate political rock star.
That's what it is.
freddy lockhart
Even John Kerry was doing that.
That's why he went to Vietnam.
I mean, at least he went, but that's why he went.
joe rogan
He went so he could be president.
freddy lockhart
So I could be a hero and get pictures taken.
joe rogan
God damn!
freddy lockhart
Yeah.
joe rogan
How ruthless is that?
You're willing to go to war so you can say, I am a veteran.
I fought for my country.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
He didn't need to go.
freddy lockhart
You know what I mean?
joe rogan
Wow.
freddy lockhart
Yeah, he was definitely in college at the time.
joe rogan
And then these dudes like Bush are like, oh, my back hurts.
I think that's smart, man.
As I've gotten older, my opinion of Bush has changed over and over.
It keeps changing.
I used to think that Bush was this fucking monster and this ignorant piece of shit that's thrust into this scenario to kind of lower our standards and make everybody think that mediocre is good and you can invent words and...
It's okay to talk about God.
unidentified
Right.
And then I realized that this is just a dude with a job.
You know, I... When you see the relationship with Dick Cheney and him?
freddy lockhart
I don't think...
Number one, I think he's probably one of the most fun of all presidents you can hang out with.
joe rogan
Dude, you know when my opinion of him changed?
When that guy threw his shoes at him in Iraq.
unidentified
Yeah.
freddy lockhart
Oh, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
That's when I started looking at him.
When he ducked his shoe and smiled, and he ducked his shoe and smiled again, I'm like, this ain't no ruthless murderer.
This is some fucking dude who's just got a job.
freddy lockhart
And I never thought that of him.
And the same thing that bothers me when people shit on Obama for saying, like, oh, he reads a teleprompter.
You know how many speeches he gives a day?
joe rogan
A lot.
Yeah, that is the dumbest thing.
freddy lockhart
That's so asinine.
joe rogan
Oh, he's got notes.
unidentified
What the fuck?
joe rogan
He's prepared?
You're upset that he's prepared?
He wants to do a good job?
freddy lockhart
Yeah, and it's the same thing when people say that George W. Bush is dumb.
I can promise you this.
He would bury me in a political debate.
joe rogan
No, he wouldn't.
freddy lockhart
Maybe not about policy.
joe rogan
No, but not about anything.
Stop it.
You're a hundred times smarter than that guy.
unidentified
Really?
joe rogan
Yes, for sure.
That guy was brought in to represent the common folk the same way they enabled the conservatives to really gain control of this country by embracing the Christian right.
When the Reagan administration came in line...
That was the first time when they really went out of their way to embrace religion.
Go for the Christians, get the really zealot Christian vibe.
freddy lockhart
Nixon was no religious guy.
They never did that before.
joe rogan
They never did that before.
freddy lockhart
They were very corporate.
joe rogan
But they realized, like, shit, the Moonies are doing this.
All these other motherfuckers are doing this.
They're making millions of dollars from these morons.
Let's just tap into this shit, and we'll use this.
This is going to be a big part of our platform.
This will separate us from everybody else, make us more righteous.
freddy lockhart
It's amazing, especially with Reagan.
The conservatives always talk about, too.
It's like, oh, Hollywood liberals and their actors and all that.
The ones they champion the most are actors.
Ronald Reagan, Fred Thompson.
joe rogan
It's so crazy that you would allow a guy who's an expert at lying and pretending to be the guy who's supposed to tell you the truth.
freddy lockhart
And a divorcee, too.
joe rogan
That's a chicken being guarded by wolves.
That's the most ridiculous thing ever.
You're getting a guy who's the best faker ever, and he's the one who's going to deliver the truth.
unidentified
What?
freddy lockhart
I shot a thing recently at the Republican headquarters here and it was amazing to be in there and it's all pictures of Ronald Reagan as far as the eyes can see.
Which is understandable, but I'm just like, don't you guys remember Bush 41 and Bush 43?
They both were presidents too.
No pictures at all?
They're like, no.
joe rogan
Brian, go on YouTube and find Ronald Reagan's speech where he talks about aliens.
Okay.
Have you ever been to that speech?
That is one of the trippiest speeches a president has ever given to people.
freddy lockhart
Talking about the intergalactic...
joe rogan
He talked about how quickly we would abandon all of our troubles with each other if we were being attacked by aliens from another planet.
freddy lockhart
Oh, wow.
joe rogan
The fucking president was talking about this!
unidentified
Jesus.
joe rogan
I mean, he was making a point, clearly, that, you know, we would be united as one country, as one group.
unidentified
You think we would?
joe rogan
For sure we would.
freddy lockhart
Or you think we'd go after each other?
joe rogan
No, we would not.
We would not.
If there was aliens, the only problem is if the aliens got to, like, you know, some douchebags, I don't want to mention any names, in some douchebag countries, I'm like, listen, just come with us, we'll give you fucking flying saucers, just sell out these other cunts, you know, and then they would go over and say, listen, we've made peace with the aliens, the aliens are friends, we just Come over here, we'll show you where they are.
And boom, you're in a cage.
freddy lockhart
They're definitely hostile if they're coming.
joe rogan
Maybe.
Well, we are.
We're hostile.
We're hostile to everything.
And like we talked about the East Coast and the West Coast and survival of the fittest and just the massive change that's happened in this country.
It's all been because of negative shit.
All this massive change, a lot of it is because of negativity.
freddy lockhart
I feel like something in our lifetime is going to happen.
Bigfoot's going to get found.
Like, something cool like that.
joe rogan
I hope so, right?
freddy lockhart
Some legend is going to get dispelled.
Or some legend is going to get proven true.
joe rogan
Well, you know, there's the craziest theory about your life is that your life, really what it actually is, is as the world gets crazier and as more chaos ensues and you worry about extinction, you worry about some sort of a cataclysmic disaster that wipes out the rays, what you're really realizing is that you're dying.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And that your own world, this universe that you have created is slowly starting to fall apart at the seams because your life is starting to end.
And this whole life of history and space It's all an illusion.
And it's all something that's been created by your imagination.
And as it plays out, as it becomes more and more ridiculous and catastrophic, and as it ends, that's as your life ends.
freddy lockhart
Wow.
That's an interesting point, to think of it that way.
joe rogan
It's just as possible as you are one being, and there's a billion other beings, and they're all in this one rock, and they're all in this one galaxy.
I mean, that's crazy in and of itself.
It's all crazy.
freddy lockhart
It makes sense, and it makes you just realize sometimes, too, just the silliness.
Like, sometimes you almost just want to sit down and just laugh at the silly shit that we do as human beings.
It's like, oh my God, why do I care?
Like, I can detach myself from something really quickly through that, you know?
And that's what kind of, like, Buddhism was always about, like, just detaching from it, not giving a shit.
You know what I mean?
If it doesn't affect you, death does not scare me.
It's like, yeah, it's going to come.
joe rogan
Suffering fucking sucks.
Suffering sucks.
Being injured sucks.
Being in pain sucks.
But yeah, death is like sleep, right?
freddy lockhart
Losing someone sucks.
joe rogan
Losing someone sucks.
Pain sucks.
freddy lockhart
But it's like everybody's biggest fear is death.
And even if it is your biggest fear, it happens.
Then what?
But then what happens?
joe rogan
I always talk about how one of the trippiest things in this life is that everyone likes to sleep, but no one wants to die.
You're looking forward to going away.
You're looking forward to shutting off.
You're looking forward to the relief that you get from turning your body off and recovering.
That's some pretty crazy shit, man.
freddy lockhart
Yeah, dude.
It's the same kind of effect that the DMTs released during Dream State.
unidentified
Supposedly.
joe rogan
It's all anecdotal evidence, but that's what they believe happens.
But all I know is I don't give a fuck about it.
I love it.
I love going to sleep.
Here we go.
I don't think about the fact that I'm going to disappear for eight hours and I'm just going to trust that the world doesn't fall apart at the seams and explode while I'm unconscious.
freddy lockhart
It'd be cool to be able to hibernate.
joe rogan
Dude.
Bears don't really hibernate, you know that?
They're always still semi-conscious.
freddy lockhart
I heard it's just a blissful kind of just relaxation.
joe rogan
Yeah, they just don't do much.
They just kind of like go, fuck, this sucks.
freddy lockhart
Yeah, I guess so.
joe rogan
But they can still get up and fuck you up, man.
freddy lockhart
Yeah, because there are bear attacks in the winter.
joe rogan
Yeah, don't get crazy, man.
Well, the real scary thing about the bear attacks in the winter is there are a lot, most of the time, bears trying to eat you because they're starving to death.
That's how Grizzly Man died.
That crazy asshole that was living up in Alaska with all those bears?
freddy lockhart
Yeah, you heard the tape?
joe rogan
Have you seen the video?
I haven't heard the tape.
The death tape?
There's a death tape out?
freddy lockhart
Isn't there a death tape?
brian redban
No, I don't think there's not one yet.
joe rogan
They wanted to get it, but what it was is the camera was running, but it was only audio.
And Werner Herzog, the director, listens to it on camera.
You see him listening to it.
freddy lockhart
Oh, that's what they should have been showing.
joe rogan
But they don't actually play it at all.
It was like six minutes long, man.
freddy lockhart
A bear, dude.
They showed that guy on that I survived who got basically eaten and mauled by a bear and survived it.
The bear was shitting on him, peeing on him, like treating him like his kill.
It was so nasty.
unidentified
Oh, that's so scary, dude.
How'd he get out of that?
joe rogan
He just got sick of me.
Play that Ronald Reagan show.
unidentified
Yeah, let's see it.
Rewind it from the beginning.
joe rogan
Rewind it, Brian.
unidentified
Suddenly there was a threat to this world from some other species from another planet outside in the universe.
We'd forget all the little local differences that we have between our countries.
Perhaps we need some outside universal threat to make us recognize this common bound.
I occasionally think how quickly our differences worldwide would vanish if we were facing an alien threat from outside this world.
Wow.
joe rogan
So true.
Space is filled with warriors.
freddy lockhart
Yeah.
joe rogan
Just flying out of the country, jacking people.
freddy lockhart
I'd like to think that we galvanize and ante up and all get together, like in signs.
joe rogan
Do you think so?
Well, I think we would to attack the aliens, but do you think that any species ever gets to a point where it doesn't fuck with the weaker species?
freddy lockhart
It's hard to think that a mass collectiveness of fight or flight would happen.
I think most would fly.
Most people would just go hide and be scared.
joe rogan
No, no, no.
What I'm saying is, do you think that alien life in all galaxies, wherever it exists, intelligent life, do you think it always fucks with whatever's weaker than it?
Does that just help things become strong?
freddy lockhart
Yeah, I think so.
I think that's nature, right?
That's just dominance.
joe rogan
So if they came here, they would have to fuck with us.
freddy lockhart
They would have to fuck with us.
Now, the thing I don't quite understand is why everybody gives them credit for being so smart if they came here.
joe rogan
Because they can come here.
freddy lockhart
They can get here, but what if we can get to where they're at?
joe rogan
Well, we can't.
freddy lockhart
We're getting closer.
joe rogan
We are getting closer.
More water on the moon.
Yeah, they found water.
freddy lockhart
They found more water.
A lot more than they thought.
joe rogan
There's also the idea that they could use that as like the moon as a refueling station instead of something up there and they use that like as a launch because it's 260,000 miles out and it doesn't have the same kind of gravity.
Right.
So they could start launching shit from the moon.
But, you know, you have to prove to me that you can survive in deep space for a long period of time and that people are going to be willing to take that chance.
Yeah.
There's like the Mars project.
Right.
And there's another thing they've been concentrating on, this idea of a hundred-year spaceship, a spaceship that can exist and has enough fuel to run a hundred years.
freddy lockhart
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
People can survive to colonize the galaxy.
That's like a project that's currently in development.
freddy lockhart
Dude, that kind of stuff, like, you know...
joe rogan
The fuck, man?
freddy lockhart
That's some deep shit.
Like, if they really...
joe rogan
A hundred years in a spaceship and...
That's possible?
brian redban
Yeah, but that would suck, like, being on the 100-year spaceship, and then, like, a couple years later, they made, like, the 200-year spaceship, and you'd be like, man, I want to be on the 200-year spaceship, so my kids could live longer, too.
freddy lockhart
Or you have a change of thought.
joe rogan
Well, I think you have 100 years to get somewhere, and if you can't get there in 100 years, you're fucked.
But the thing is, how do they keep enough food?
How big is this goddamn spaceship?
Are they growing their own food?
freddy lockhart
Yeah, you'd have to do something like that.
joe rogan
You'd have to grow your own food, and what kind of power would you be able to use?
Nuclear power?
freddy lockhart
You'd have to use nuclear power.
joe rogan
How the fuck else could you?
What if everybody got radiation sickness and shit?
freddy lockhart
What are you communicating with?
joe rogan
Three-eyed motherfuckers with six arms and shit.
Everybody was a mutant from all the radiation because they had never done long-term exposure studies.
We'd have to take a chance.
freddy lockhart
I'd sign up for that shit.
joe rogan
Would you?
unidentified
Yeah.
freddy lockhart
I always think when people think that maybe if this is the last generation or if the Mayan calendar is true or something like that, I feel pretty damn honored to be on the last part of the last generation.
joe rogan
Again, it could just be the end of your life, man.
freddy lockhart
Yeah, exactly.
I manufacture it.
So does that mean that you're a character in my life?
joe rogan
Seems like it.
Through your eyes, I'm a character in your eyes.
freddy lockhart
Or am I in yours?
joe rogan
Well, maybe we're all both.
Maybe it's both.
Maybe there's no tangibility to life.
Maybe it's ethereal.
Maybe it exists in both ways.
Maybe you're just a part of my imagination and I'm a part of yours.
freddy lockhart
Like, that'd be crazy if you made up all this.
The earth, the atmosphere.
You made it all.
joe rogan
It's not that you made it up, that it almost exists as a part of your program.
freddy lockhart
Well, that's what we were talking about earlier, lucid dreaming, like the ability to wake up during your dreams.
joe rogan
You do that, right?
I've done it.
freddy lockhart
I can't say I do it often.
It's hard.
joe rogan
I've only done it once or twice by accident, and because I saw a movie where a guy had a technique where in real life, every time he'd walk through a door, he would knock on the door and go, am I dreaming?
unidentified
Yeah.
freddy lockhart
That's the trick to doing it.
joe rogan
I did it once in a dream.
freddy lockhart
Dr. Stephen LeBurge is the one, I read all these books about it quite by accident one day, but I started reading it.
It was fascinating because he did it at Stanford and taught all these kids to do it to the point where they were so good at it, they were developing skills in their dreams, they could do it at will.
It's basically like laying down in bed and saying, here's what I'm going to dream about tonight.
It's like a meditation practice.
You can do it two ways.
You can wake yourself up in a dream or you can just enter it straight in.
And that takes extreme concentration.
Like, focus, focus, focus.
But, you know, in it, it's like you start to realize how fascinating your brain is because you'll completely reproduce something to a T. Like, you're like, I fucking made that.
That's my thought.
I'm walking around.
joe rogan
And how many times have you done this?
freddy lockhart
I've done it probably like five times in my life.
It was...
It's hard.
And the problem is, if you smoke pot, you don't get true REM sleep like a lot of people.
You don't?
Potheads don't seem to remember dreams as well.
Some are different.
Maybe it's a different kind you're smoking.
joe rogan
Is that true?
freddy lockhart
If you inhibit your brain at all with alcohol or anything, you're going to have a harder time dreaming.
joe rogan
Pot stops me from dreaming.
freddy lockhart
Google that.
I don't know.
The best time to have them, they say, is in the morning.
Wake yourself up at 6 in the morning and go back to sleep.
That's when you can get them.
For the novice, they say, and I've only had a few, but they're amazing.
It's like you've manufactured this world.
You can fly.
The thing that you tend to do, which I do, is you go around punching people because you can't.
It's just amazing.
But your brain is as real as you and I are right now.
There's a focus and technique thing you can use on YouTube and stuff.
They'll show you how to do it.
joe rogan
I should explain what I was talking about before.
freddy lockhart
The knock on the door, yeah.
joe rogan
The guy said, knock on the door in real life.
When you're walking through your house, knock on the door and go, am I dreaming?
Right.
And then, obviously, you walk through it, you're not dreaming.
But you feel the knock, and that's how you know you're not dreaming.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
Well, I did this for a couple days, and then I was in a dream, and I went, am I dreaming?
Oh my God, I'm dreaming.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
My hand just went right through the door.
freddy lockhart
Right.
joe rogan
I was like, whoa!
And so then I opened up the door, and the door was like the edge of a cliff, and there was like clouds and shit, and I just started flying.
freddy lockhart
Wow, isn't this the shit?
joe rogan
The dopest fucking thing.
But it only lasted for like 30 seconds, because I was going, holy shit, I can't believe I'm dreaming and I'm flying.
How am I doing?
I'm awake.
freddy lockhart
They say that that's what happens the first time, is you're so overwhelmed by it.
joe rogan
I shot my load in my pants.
That's what I did.
I didn't even get my pants off.
I shot my load in my pants.
That's what happened.
I was like, we're really going to have sex?
unidentified
Yeah.
Oh, fuck.
freddy lockhart
But it's like if you practice it enough, it's just like meditation.
You can get good at it, apparently.
I just forget to practice it because I just crash half the time.
joe rogan
Well, you know, you asked me about the isolation tank.
That's what you've got to look into.
Fuck all that lucid dreaming.
Because the isolation tank is lucid dreaming in 10 minutes guaranteed every time.
Guaranteed every time you're going to go somewhere.
freddy lockhart
Oh, that's awesome.
joe rogan
And the more you relax, the more you get good at it, and the more you get good at it, the deeper you can go and the weirder things get.
freddy lockhart
My dad always told me about it as a kid.
He did it a lot in the Air Force.
unidentified
Where do you live?
joe rogan
What part of LA? You don't have to say.
You don't have to say.
There's a place in Burbank called Soothing Solutions.
It's really good.
They have these tanks and you rent them by the hour.
It's totally worth it, man.
Just try it.
freddy lockhart
It's the same temperature as your body, so you can't feel your body, right?
joe rogan
Yep, you don't feel your body.
You just feel the water.
When you get into it, the water's filled with 800 pounds of salt, so you float.
freddy lockhart
Alright.
joe rogan
And then once you relax, you're floating in that water, and you don't hear anything.
You don't see anything.
You have no sensory input.
There's another place in Venice called the Float Lab that's awesome.
Oh, wow.
He's the guy who built my latest tank.
He's the state-of-the-art guy.
If you go to FloatLab.com, he's got all of his tanks in the design.
It's all stainless steel and shit.
His stuff is real high-tech, top-of-the-line stuff.
unidentified
Oh, wow.
joe rogan
It's basically the same amount of money as the other tanks on the market.
He charges the same amount, but they're fucking infinitely superior.
They're amazing.
freddy lockhart
How long can you stay in those?
joe rogan
I go in there for hours.
freddy lockhart
Really?
joe rogan
Hours, yeah.
freddy lockhart
That's just like extreme meditation, isn't it?
joe rogan
It's space travel, dude.
I have a spaceship.
The things that I've seen, the shit that I see on a regular basis in there, most people don't ever experience in their whole life.
And I experience it several times a week.
freddy lockhart
Which the cool thing is, because the body, if you're not physically there, it's still a real experience.
You know what I mean?
joe rogan
Your mind is still learning from the experience.
freddy lockhart
As if it were real.
joe rogan
Yes.
Physically.
You're untethered from your body, and you don't get any input from your body, so your mind is free to just explore any idea and manifest and visualize these ideas.
Your imagination, when it's not harnessed or not being controlled by the body or being hampered down by the body, your imagination creates worlds.
freddy lockhart
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
You know, we don't fucking know exactly what thinking and imagination truly is.
What is imagination?
The ability to create in your mind?
I mean, that seems to me to be some sort of a driving force in the universe.
If you look at what the idea of imagination, the idea of creation, it manifests itself in a bunch of different things.
It manifests itself in art, and it manifests itself in inventions, and it manifests things that improve your life and keep people healthy and keep people alive longer so they figure things out more.
So they come up with better ideas.
These are all products of the imagination.
Everything from science to vitamins.
These are products of someone went, I think I can get that shit out of there and put it in a pill.
That's the imagination.
That's the mind trying to be curious and figure this shit out.
I mean, it's like a driving force of the universe.
freddy lockhart
And it's kind of like an all-ubiquitous force, too, because it's like sometimes inventions are being thought of at the same time.
joe rogan
Yeah, sure.
freddy lockhart
You know, like the Wright brothers, you know, they were working on a thing, but there was that guy over in England who had his thing he was working on, and they were racing each other.
I mean, flight was inevitable.
You knew it was coming.
joe rogan
Perfect example was with you saying earlier that cell phones, if you had them in the past, people would think of them like you were a witch.
I've said that so many times.
Perfect example.
But it's two people looking at something.
Both of them are going, well, what the fuck is going on here?
And then both people come to some sort of a same conclusion when they figured out radio.
It was the same thing.
There was a bunch of people that figured out the radio.
It was Marconi.
There was a bunch of different guys that were working on the same situation.
And then every now and then you get a guy like Nikola Tesla that's so fucking far out there.
No one thought of any of the shit that he came up with.
And you look at his stuff and you're like, what the fuck is this dude on?
freddy lockhart
That and Da Vinci.
They had Da Vinci up at the Getty.
And I went and looked at his scribblings just like, he literally, you know, the helicopter, all that shit.
joe rogan
Machines, all kinds of machines.
freddy lockhart
The guy was so bloody genius brilliant.
Like his sketches were just like, I cannot believe somebody was thinking this advanced.
joe rogan
Dude, wasn't he in like the 1400s?
Somebody made a thread about it on the Rogan board saying, could you imagine, this is what the guy said, if you lived in a world where everyone else had Down syndrome?
He was like, that's what it must have been like to be Da Vinci.
He was living in the 1400s creating helicopters and all these machines.
Bisecting the human body and diagramming it to a T. And your neighbor's just some retard just like, what sayeth you, sir?
Yeah, he's fucking his sheep.
freddy lockhart
And he's probably one of those guys like, I can't believe it's the fucking 1400s.
I can't wait.
I'm not going to be here.
brian redban
He's probably a time traveler.
freddy lockhart
Yeah, big time, dude.
I think there is going to be time traveling, dude.
We can do that shit.
joe rogan
Yes, there will be, but there hasn't been.
freddy lockhart
No, there hasn't been.
And then when it does happen, like I said, it's going to make everything null and void.
joe rogan
It's going to break the whole package.
brian redban
Did you know they filmed Back to the Future, they filmed half the movie with Eric Stoltz as the role of Marty, and then they...
Just weren't feeling it.
So they had to go back and re-film the whole movie from the start.
joe rogan
With Michael J. Fox?
brian redban
With Michael J. Fox.
freddy lockhart
They're a month in with Stoltz.
brian redban
And they just released recently because they just came out on DVD. Yeah, it's on the DVD set.
freddy lockhart
I've seen it before because I remember seeing the Eric Stoltz footage and just like, that ain't right.
brian redban
It's not right.
joe rogan
It's not right?
It's just not good?
freddy lockhart
Rocky Dennis is Back to the Future.
joe rogan
Eric Stultz.
That's probably what all fell apart for him.
unidentified
And you know what?
freddy lockhart
That's the thing.
It's like, what do you do?
It's some kind of wonderful and then bit parts here and there.
brian redban
Pulp Fiction was the best ever.
freddy lockhart
Pulp Fiction was the apex of his career.
joe rogan
Was he in Killing Zoe?
brian redban
Yes.
That's one of my favorite movies.
joe rogan
That's a good goddamn movie.
brian redban
He was a good guy.
freddy lockhart
There was guys like him, like Matt Modine.
What happened to those guys?
joe rogan
Matt Modine, yeah, Matt Modine.
I loved Matt Modine.
unidentified
Vision Quest.
freddy lockhart
Yeah, that guy was awesome.
joe rogan
Vision Quest is a great goddamn movie.
freddy lockhart
Yeah, dude, he's going to wrestle for State.
He's got the heat suit on that are banned now.
It's a good fucking movie.
joe rogan
That's a good fucking movie.
freddy lockhart
I love Matt Modine.
joe rogan
And that hot chick, what the fuck was her name in that movie?
freddy lockhart
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Goddamn, that bitch is pretty.
What is her name?
freddy lockhart
Who was in Vision Quest?
Jennifer Connelly?
joe rogan
It's not Diane Lane, was it?
freddy lockhart
No, I don't think that was Diane Lane.
joe rogan
Look it up.
Can you IMDB it?
freddy lockhart
It should be Vision Quest.
joe rogan
See, this is the beauty of the internet, man.
No, Brian.
Cast.
unidentified
Cast assholes.
joe rogan
He writes asshole in everything.
Every quest.
freddy lockhart
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Every time he does an internet search, he'll add finger butthole.
brian redban
Just to see what the photos are.
See if Jennifer Connelly has an asshole.
joe rogan
Who is the chick?
brian redban
I'm still...
Linda Floriantino.
joe rogan
Damn.
Nobody heard of her anymore.
freddy lockhart
Linda Floriantino.
joe rogan
She was hot as fuck!
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Remember how pretty she was?
freddy lockhart
She was.
Remember Phoebe Cates?
unidentified
She was hot.
joe rogan
Phoebe Cates, the fat scene.
freddy lockhart
Fast times.
joe rogan
When the dude was in the bathroom flapping.
freddy lockhart
Yeah.
joe rogan
And she walked in, caught him with his dick in his hand.
freddy lockhart
She just kind of went away, too.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Well, she got pregnant, I think, and had some kids.
freddy lockhart
Well, she's married to the actor...
Not Greg Kinnear, but the other one is kind of like him.
unidentified
Jonathan Taylor Thomas.
joe rogan
Yeah?
freddy lockhart
I think she's married to Kevin Kline.
joe rogan
Kevin Kline?
freddy lockhart
Did you just say Jonathan Taylor Thomas?
joe rogan
Oh, Kevin Kline.
I thought I was thinking of a different Kevin.
Shit.
We're talking Hollywood, goddammit.
What?
freddy lockhart
She's still a knockout.
joe rogan
Linda Farantino?
freddy lockhart
Yeah, she's still a knockout.
Is that recent?
brian redban
She kind of looks like she got smushed against a wall on her IMDb.
See how it looks like she just got...
I hope she didn't have brain cancer.
joe rogan
She's still pretty as fuck.
freddy lockhart
Yeah.
brian redban
That would suck.
freddy lockhart
What am I having to Laura Flynn Boyle?
She's hanging out all the time.
joe rogan
She weighs 18 pounds.
I saw her in a photo.
She was walking on the beach and she looked like she was from Kenya.
She was a stick figure.
freddy lockhart
I saw her maybe a couple years ago and she just married some guy and she's like, this is my new husband and this poor guy is just like a regular fella out of Texas like an accountant.
Blake has no idea.
Of course, he's like, yeah, I'm gonna marry a movie star.
unidentified
Sure.
joe rogan
She's a good woman, just trying to keep it together.
unidentified
Yeah.
freddy lockhart
Oh, man.
joe rogan
I've seen those before.
There's nothing sadder than a dude who's on a ride he doesn't understand.
freddy lockhart
It's so true.
unidentified
It's so true.
joe rogan
Some regular civilian who winds up marrying some crazy movie star used to fuck Jack Nicholson.
freddy lockhart
Good old decent Texas fella, too.
joe rogan
Bitch, good luck.
freddy lockhart
Oh, I know.
joe rogan
Good luck with all your fucking country logic, stupid.
This shit ain't gonna work out.
freddy lockhart
I'll change him.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
What has been the weirdest thing about coming here and, you know, starting out, you know, doing all the, you know, working for the comedy store and doing all that shit and then eventually winding up on television and starting to make money?
What's been the weirdest part about it to you?
freddy lockhart
I think the weirdest part is, for me, it's like the distance put in between some of your peers that you started with.
Because there's this idea that comedy is like freshman football.
I've been at it long enough.
I should get my shot, but it's bullshit.
Some guys just haven't reconciled with themselves that you're not good.
joe rogan
There's a resentment among some guys that don't become successful about people who are.
freddy lockhart
And it's really something sad, too, because it's one of these things where it's like, you know, we started off 10 years ago, a bunch of us together, me, Caparulo, Renizzisi.
And it worked for some of us.
And for some it didn't.
And it doesn't mean that it's owed to you.
Because, like I said, it's really hard.
Even if you're really good, it's really hard.
And Hollywood doesn't owe anybody anything.
Not a damn thing.
And it didn't ask you to come here and it doesn't tell you when to leave.
But you've got to know.
There's some people, you'll get it at the comedy store.
Guys will be like, oh man, screw the store.
I don't get spots there.
But it's like, tell me the other clubs that are giving you spots.
They can never name one.
You know?
And if they do, it's some hole in the wall.
joe rogan
Yeah.
freddy lockhart
But if it's like...
Comedy's the most justified art form.
And, you know, there's enough...
The audience is right there to tell you whether you're any good at it.
joe rogan
When I lived in Boston, it was shocking when guys would go somewhere and get sitcoms or be in movies.
You know what the local headliners would go?
He's a fucking middle act.
This guy's a middle act and he's in a movie.
Like, to them...
It's like they didn't get theirs.
That was a big attitude amongst Boston guys.
Especially after Stephen Wright hit.
There's a great documentary about Boston.
I forget what it's called.
unidentified
Fucking...
joe rogan
Shit.
Boston comedy.
Look up documentary on Boston comedy.
unidentified
It was a big scene.
joe rogan
Before the laughter dies.
I don't know what the fuck is his name.
Boston comedy movie.
It was a fantastic scene, but the problem was all the headliners that were the main part of the movement in the 70s and the 80s, especially the 80s, all the guys who were literally the most talented comedians in the country, they stayed in Boston and they just burnt out.
They did coke and they fucking partied and they all owed the IRS a million dollars and they were fucking savages.
And they didn't write a lot of new material, but back then, in those days, I would put them up against any comic ever.
freddy lockhart
That's what people have never heard before.
joe rogan
I would put Don Gavin up against any comic I've ever seen ever as far as craftsmanship, skill, delivery, timing, confidence, passion, not even passion, I should say, confidence, Just his charisma on stage.
His ability to just get you to laugh at it.
Just the perfectly timed joke.
God, Gavin was a killer.
freddy lockhart
They don't like to leave the neighborhood.
joe rogan
Well, they got rich there.
When you're making several thousand dollars a week doing comedy in Boston, and all of a sudden you're going to go on the road, and you're going to make one-fourth that, and people are going to not come out to see you.
You know, you're doing the punchline Atlanta.
They don't know who the fuck you are.
So there's half full crowds and they don't care about Boston.
So they don't want to hear all your Boston jokes, which are your best jokes.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
You know, there's a lot of guys that have all this Boston centric material in Boston and they will crush with it.
They will crush with it.
But if you go to Virginia, they don't give a fuck about Boston.
They don't want to talk about it.
freddy lockhart
Was Dennis Leary in that scene?
Like, who came out of that?
joe rogan
Yeah, he was in the scene.
He kind of got out of the scene pretty quick, though.
He got out of the scene with his MTV shit, and then with his first special, where he got all the comparisons to Hicks, where everybody was going, stealing Hicks material.
freddy lockhart
Yeah, I've seen those different ones.
In their entirety.
joe rogan
Yeah.
freddy lockhart
They're interesting.
joe rogan
Very interesting.
Yeah.
Pretty obvious.
freddy lockhart
Real obvious.
joe rogan
Yeah.
He was a hack.
From the beginning.
freddy lockhart
It's really sad.
It's like, you know...
joe rogan
But he's a guy that just was super ambitious.
Just wanted to make it.
And this is his thing.
you found this thing you know you created crafted this character and then all of a sudden you know he needed some material to go along with it so he just kind of copied whatever other people said that was cool and reworked it it was very obvious I see that happen with some guys especially who have been just for a few short years and they'll get an opportunity I'll see those guys do that.
freddy lockhart
Just to survive.
joe rogan
It's one of the biggest problems with a guy like Minstelia.
Minstelia, and there's a few other guys in town, you know where they are.
And there's a few guys that are doing well, and they're doing well by doing just that.
And it's blatantly obvious to young kids coming up.
So instead of like, when I started out in Boston, I mean, you were like ostracized if you were a thief.
You were a hack.
And there was mistakes.
And sometimes people come up with jokes they don't even know that somebody else said it.
I've seen it before.
I've done it myself.
There's mistakes and then there's people forget that they heard a joke before.
There's all sorts of shit that people have parallel thinking.
That's possible too.
But there comes a point in time when you're watching dudes where you know they've seen someone before and you know he's just doing this and reworking it and he's changing it and making it this way.
freddy lockhart
Right, because there's such a specific, like, you know, the thing, obviously with the Carlos thing, the Bill Cosby thing, it's like that.
joe rogan
Yeah, so silly.
freddy lockhart
That's not common thinking, my God.
joe rogan
Well, he's a sociopath.
You gotta be.
That dude's gotta disconnect.
freddy lockhart
You gotta be.
joe rogan
Did you hear him on the Marc Maron podcast?
freddy lockhart
Yeah, I heard that whole thing.
unidentified
Oh, God.
freddy lockhart
And good for Marc for having him back the second time, because Marc's like, you know what, I don't feel good about that.
I feel like I deprived you of something.
joe rogan
The first thing was gross.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's why he said that, because he was embarrassed by how gross he sounded.
freddy lockhart
Yeah, softballs, yeah.
joe rogan
It wasn't just softballs.
He was saying, well, you got there through comedy.
At least you did it through comedy.
I don't know what the fuck that means.
freddy lockhart
You're a real comedian.
joe rogan
What does that mean?
freddy lockhart
You like comedy.
It's like, come on.
joe rogan
You know what his thing is?
He has this thing for people who've made it through comedy.
You know, he thinks that's the right way.
All these other people have sold out, man.
freddy lockhart
Sure, yeah.
Man, you didn't do it the right way.
It's like, good luck doing it that way.
joe rogan
The grossest thing about the Maren thing was that he thought that, the video that Brian and I made, he said, I think it should have been handled through the community.
unidentified
He said that?
joe rogan
That's what he said, yes.
freddy lockhart
Oh, yeah, that's right.
joe rogan
That it could have been handled somewhere.
Like, how has it ever been handled through the community, ever?
Name one time.
They don't give a fuck.
That was the whole purpose for the whole thing.
The community didn't give a fuck.
They all knew he was stealing.
Everyone from Comedy Central knew he was stealing.
Everybody that worked on the set, on that show, I knew writers.
They all knew he was stealing.
This was not...
No one was stopping this.
And then Maren says this, and then he goes and has him on for fucking three hours talking about it.
Oh, it should have been handled with the community, inside the community?
You just talked about it for three hours on a podcast.
freddy lockhart
Yeah, he's broadcasting to the community.
brian redban
Our video was ten minutes long, Mark.
joe rogan
Yeah, exactly.
unidentified
I remember that.
joe rogan
But he's one of those dudes.
Marin is one of those dudes.
freddy lockhart
I remember that night.
And goddammit, if that didn't really expose him, if that didn't...
joe rogan
That was it.
Oh, it worked.
It did work!
It straightened out a real problem.
freddy lockhart
It was amazing to be...
joe rogan
Marin's comparisons were so ridiculous because he was talking about parallel thinking or guys sounding like I mean, it's done for him.
freddy lockhart
He's a pariah, right?
joe rogan
Yes.
He is what he is.
His audience has been reduced to what it should have been in the first place.
People without an internet connection and people who are so stupid they don't care if you're full of shit.
freddy lockhart
What does he look at?
Is he doing theaters?
joe rogan
He's doing good.
I'm sure he's making a living.
There's plenty of retards out there, bro.
You think he'll get back on TV? NASCAR is huge.
I'm not saying there's anything wrong with fast cars.
They're pretty fucking cool.
I wouldn't even mind going to see one lot.
But if you ever look in the audience at NASCAR, there's people There's a lot of people out there, man, and there's a lot of them, and they're fucking dumb.
You ever see those Sarah Palin book signing lines?
freddy lockhart
Oh, yeah.
The looks on them.
unidentified
Christ!
freddy lockhart
Christ!
A teabagger rally, the looks on them.
It's like you hate to lump people in, but it's like, come on.
joe rogan
There's so many of them, bro.
freddy lockhart
Let's talk about them.
joe rogan
We live in a nerfed society.
We live in a society that makes it real easy for these pussies to get by, and they just turn out dumb and simple, and they want to be around other dumb, simple people.
They want to fight everybody who disagrees.
unidentified
I'll tell you this on this land where my grandfather died fighting for this land.
joe rogan
Shut the fuck up.
freddy lockhart
They have kids and you just look at the kids and you're like, there's no hope.
joe rogan
You fucking blood clot for progress, you cunt, you dumb fuck.
And that's the problem with voting.
The problem with voting is there's at least as many of them as there are people that are sensible.
freddy lockhart
Right.
joe rogan
And there's a lot of people that are sensible that are barely keeping it together.
The stress of modern day society is too much for the fucking mortal body.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
People's bodies are not meant for fucking four hours every day in traffic and bullshit and fucking stress at work because you have to pretend to be someone that you're not because you want to keep your job.
So you have to listen to this fucking cuntbag, stupid, retard boss.
The only reason he's in there is because he married the fucking boss's daughter.
And holy shit, you're losing your marbles, bro.
And then you start falling apart at the seams.
Well, you can vote too.
You can vote too.
You don't have your brain in order.
You're not making good decisions.
Your whole life's a goddamn mess.
unidentified
We got a problem here with these goddamn liberals who want to take my taxes.
joe rogan
That's not the problem.
We've got a bigger problem.
freddy lockhart
A way bigger problem.
joe rogan
We're moving in a direction and no one has analyzed the direction.
We're just going.
freddy lockhart
It's just amazing when those people, though, they think if you make less than $200,000 a year, you're not a Republican.
I hate to tell you, but you're just not.
You're not a real one.
joe rogan
You don't know what you're doing.
freddy lockhart
You don't know what you're doing and you're not servicing a party that's made for you.
joe rogan
Isn't it amazing that they've managed to connect, like, being, like, good folk and being, like, good god guns and government?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
They've managed to connect all that together with big business that doesn't give a fuck about you or the environment.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, they've managed to connect hunting and fishing.
Right.
Like, Bush would always be hunting and, you know, fucking the famous thing where Dick Cheney shot his friend in the face.
unidentified
Sure, yeah.
joe rogan
You know, and Sarah Penguin's always shooting news.
unidentified
Yeah, I too.
joe rogan
All the conservatives, all the ones who want to let these fucking raping companies...
Just continue.
These Monsantos and fucking Halliburtons continue to fucking just crush across the world.
These are the hunters.
freddy lockhart
And they get the people like that, like the Palins.
It's cool.
It's chic now, especially in this election, to be dumb.
joe rogan
Yeah.
freddy lockhart
To not know anything.
Ignorance is now celebrated in politics.
Elitism is poo-pooed and shadowed.
Oh, he went to an Ivy League school.
That's a good thing.
That's a good thing when you go to an Ivy League school.
joe rogan
Yeah, he doesn't understand us.
Yeah, he doesn't understand us, regular folks.
freddy lockhart
No, regular folks should not...
joe rogan
I started out on my dad's farm.
Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
What books have you read?
Right.
Why the fuck are you going to be the leader?
freddy lockhart
Right.
joe rogan
What is exceptional about your philosophy?
Yeah.
We're getting people that are just good talkers.
That's all we require.
unidentified
Yeah.
Right.
joe rogan
We just required them to be able to talk good in public and look like someone who could be leader.
freddy lockhart
The president should be the smartest person in the room.
joe rogan
Right.
But is that possible?
I don't think that the whole world needs leaders.
I think that the way we exist right now, we exist in the same manner that they existed when there was 500 monkey people to a group.
And they all had to fight off the coming tribes.
You know, the tribes that would come and try to steal their shit.
Yeah.
And they all had to rely on the baddest motherfucker.
Who's the guy who's been around the longest?
He's the guy who knows how to escape.
He knows the trails.
He knows where the food is in the woods.
He knows the best places to hide.
brian redban
I think the president should be Miss America.
Every year we get to look at a hot new sexy president.
Wouldn't that be awesome?
Like, the president gives speeches in, like, swimsuits and stuff?
That would be way better.
freddy lockhart
And, you know, it's hard to tell, too.
It's like, think about this, like, Obama, he's only been in two years, and it's like, you know, and he did make a good point on Jon Stewart's show.
He's like, I didn't guarantee this shit overnight.
joe rogan
Here's the thing.
Can it be fixed?
Doesn't it seem like it's built on a foundation of unfixable shit?
It seems like our stock market, this Taibbi article that I was reading about the stock market, when he was talking about how many companies are betting against BP, that there's this gigantic derivatives market where people get to gamble on whether or not someone defaults on their loans...
And gamble whether or not a company can succeed and repay loans.
And there's like this shadow economy that's based on all that.
It's a mindfuck.
unidentified
That is.
joe rogan
Dude, what I've always said about this is if they can rip off accountants, how crazy is this shit?
How crazy is this shit for real?
Forget about you and I who know nothing about the economy.
They're ripping off accountants.
That's how deep this fucking web...
freddy lockhart
They're creating non-tangible things to make tangible money.
joe rogan
And they're getting away with it.
Somehow or another, they're getting away with it.
Instead of fixing and putting in a totally new operating system, they're just putting up new paths and new parts of the registry and new pathways.
freddy lockhart
They talk about that.
That's what stifles America's growth in a lot of ways.
Like in Japan and China, their internet is just far superior to ours.
joe rogan
Is it really?
freddy lockhart
Because we use the pre-existing structure.
brian redban
Yeah, it's super, super fast.
freddy lockhart
They have fiber optics.
We have a pre-existing copper and old school wiring.
That's why the cable companies and the internet have never really gotten in bed in this country.
Everywhere else, that internet TV is normal.
joe rogan
Really?
freddy lockhart
To access the web from your TV. They're just starting to really do that now.
joe rogan
Sony's released a nice, like it's a 40-incher.
Yeah, they got a TV internet thing.
It gets everything from your TV. And they should have that.
freddy lockhart
And that technology's been available for 10 fucking years.
They should have been doing that.
joe rogan
I think there's been a lot of resistance.
freddy lockhart
These cable companies know.
Cable companies are big time, like they run a fucking major, you want to talk to some serious con artist, it's a cable company.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Oh, for sure, man.
freddy lockhart
And then the internet popped up.
We already had a pre-existing structure, and so China never had one, so they just built a whole fucking new one.
It's like, look at us.
Like, they laugh at our internet.
It's instant.
brian redban
Yeah.
freddy lockhart
Wow.
brian redban
Dude, whenever I do a thread on your message board with, like, speed tests, it's like, I'm all proud of my, you know, whatever, 30 megabyte download connection.
joe rogan
You get 30 megs?
brian redban
Something like that, yeah.
joe rogan
Is this the U-verse?
AT&T U-verse?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Goddamn, 30 megs?
brian redban
Yeah.
But then you look at other people's and they're like, 88?
joe rogan
Dude, I remember when I used to play Quake, there was dudes that would get like four ping.
Their ping would be like four.
I'm like, how is this?
Are you in the room with the server?
How are you getting four?
They were just on some crazy, fat fucking cable pipe.
When cable internet first came around and everybody else had like ISDN, oh my god, you could get online and rape them.
They were like frozen.
Their shit would be like they'd have 150 ping from like a 56k modem or an ISDN line.
And what ping is is the amount of milliseconds it takes between the actual action and it happening.
unidentified
Oh.
joe rogan
So you would have to lead.
Like, if you want to shoot a guy with a railgun, you'd have to assume that he was going to keep running in the same direction.
You would actually lead him.
So you would aim right in front of him with a railgun, and you'd have to plan in your mind for 150 milliseconds.
freddy lockhart
Oh, wow.
joe rogan
Yeah.
The guys were really good.
There was guys that would kill you.
They would fuck you up, even with a lag, because they became...
They knew how to time the lag, and they knew what weapons were good to deal with the non-specific aiming that you had to employ.
freddy lockhart
That's pretty damn smart.
joe rogan
Dude, it was incredible.
You get tuned into it, and you become...
One of the things about video games, it's like your fast twitch and your movements and everything, they become in tune with the parameters of the game.
freddy lockhart
Well, they say that that teaches kids skills today.
That is helping their motor skills, because I played that Grand Theft Auto, but I never stole cars.
I would go play this...
The free mode where you can just run around the city and wreak havoc and you start to develop a lifestyle.
I became a sniper, a really good one.
I was Lee Harvey Oswald and I would snipe people and I was really, really good at it and I would go sit on top of buildings and I would call you on the cell phone because you had the earpiece and the guy would be like, Hello?
Say cheese, motherfucker.
joe rogan
Boom!
freddy lockhart
I'd off him from a skyscraper.
I started living this life.
I would get thrills out of it.
I'd get excited.
I'd be proud of myself.
I got really good at flying a helicopter.
It's fucking hard to fly a helicopter.
brian redban
The best thing I would always do is everybody get in the helicopter.
freddy lockhart
And then I'd jump out.
unidentified
I kill them all.
freddy lockhart
I laugh my ass off.
joe rogan
And you blow them up?
unidentified
Yeah.
brian redban
They fall from the sky.
joe rogan
Oh, you just let them fall from the sky?
freddy lockhart
Yeah, you'll commit suicide, but it's hard to see them because they're working on something.
unidentified
Because they're like, motherfucker, I was working on something over because it's New York.
It's like I was over in Brooklyn, you take me all the way over here to do this, you fucking dick.
brian redban
Dude, that shit...
unidentified
Or you land it on top of the Statue of Liberty.
freddy lockhart
It's just so fun.
You go around exploring, there's no rules, and you just run amok.
But after a while, there is an understanding.
If you see another dude, sometimes a dude will just come up with beef.
Just doing drive-bys on you.
You're like, alright.
But then sometimes a dude will walk up and want to hang out.
Those are the guys you take for a ride.
I roll solo.
I'm Charles Bronson in that fucking city.
I ain't hanging out with nobody.
You get in my car, you're going to get got, dude.
You're done with.
I'm going to embarrass you.
unidentified
I jack people.
freddy lockhart
I jack people.
I have no friends in Liberty City.
Poor Matt, the door guy at the comedy store.
He's like, hey, let's meet up, man.
unidentified
Give me your code.
freddy lockhart
And I was like, yeah, alright.
Let's show right up.
And I'm like, boom.
unidentified
Jack.
freddy lockhart
I was like, it's just the way it goes in Liberty City, homie.
unidentified
You know what I mean?
brian redban
You're a dick.
freddy lockhart
Dudes get hurt.
joe rogan
That's hilarious.
freddy lockhart
Why make friends if I can shoot you?
And suffer no repercussions for it.
joe rogan
I got friends in real life, bitch.
freddy lockhart
I'm a lone wolf in that fucking city, dude.
joe rogan
That's hilarious.
freddy lockhart
Grab a car, listen to some tunes, go do drive-bys on people, provoke the police.
That game is so much fun.
joe rogan
Now, do you do this online with a PC or with an Xbox?
freddy lockhart
I do it online with a PS3. I fucking hate game controllers.
brian redban
You need to get over it.
You need to just play it for a month and you'll get used to it.
freddy lockhart
Oh, you only do it with computers?
joe rogan
Mouse and keyboard is better.
It's just better, period.
I've tried both.
I understand the appeal of a little game controller.
It is not as specific.
freddy lockhart
Weren't the graphics better on a computer?
joe rogan
Yeah, the graphics are better, the resolution is better, but more importantly, when you're in front of the screen, you shouldn't be dealing with, if you really want to pay attention, more than 21 inches.
21 inches.
You want a small screen.
It's not too big, because otherwise your eyes are not going to be able to keep up with everything.
unidentified
You're right about that.
joe rogan
And a mouse and a keyboard is way better.
You can move much more specifically with a mouse and a keyboard, and a mouse is way more accurate as far as aiming.
So in fast twitch games like Quake and Unreal Tournament and all those crazy games...
brian redban
In The Grand Theft Auto.
Grand Theft Auto is not like that.
freddy lockhart
Can I get Grand Theft Auto on, computer?
brian redban
You can, but you don't need to do mouse.
joe rogan
Grand Theft Auto is not a fast twitch game.
freddy lockhart
Most games aren't.
brian redban
I've gotten so good at the Xbox controller or the PS3 controller that I don't even realize I'm...
freddy lockhart
Yeah, it's secondary to me.
joe rogan
The problem is once you've done Quake, once you've experienced this super high adrenaline rush of really high speed, 3D action, death matches, rocket launchers and shotguns and shit, that's all I'm about, bro.
I don't want a game where I can walk regular speed.
I want a game where I can rocket jump.
I want to shoot a rocket at the ground and jump at the same time and go flying through the air.
That's badass.
freddy lockhart
That's cool.
brian redban
You need to play so many more games, Joe.
Every time you talk about that...
joe rogan
I get bored.
freddy lockhart
When you play Deathmatch on Grand Theft Auto...
joe rogan
No, you like those other boring...
freddy lockhart
I like that shit on Grand Theft Auto, that Deathmatch.
joe rogan
Oh, there's a Deathmatch?
There's a Deathmatch.
freddy lockhart
They'll throw 18 people all around the world.
brian redban
All games have Deathmatches.
freddy lockhart
All around the world.
And you just...
I love killing somebody I know is real.
I just know somebody I'm...
joe rogan
On the other end.
Someone's on the other end.
They're really experienced.
freddy lockhart
Yeah, and I got the earpiece and everything.
And I'd go into rooms and be a bunch of teenage boys and be like, Yeah, niggas, who's ready to get killed?
Who is this guy?
Nobody would talk shit to me.
It's amazing how a voice will work.
Nobody would talk shit.
I'd be like, yeah, motherfucker.
How'd that feel?
unidentified
That's hilarious.
freddy lockhart
I'm 12. I do voices and shit all the time.
It was fucking this one.
joe rogan
So everybody's allowed to talk when you get in a room?
freddy lockhart
Yeah, everybody can talk.
You can mute yourself.
brian redban
You can mute people if they get annoyed.
freddy lockhart
And then you'll hear French.
You'll hear Chinese.
brian redban
You'll hear little kids that are fighting with their mom and you're giving them advice.
Like, throw her Vagisil at her.
unidentified
Mom!
freddy lockhart
And then you'll hear the dismay of somebody when you fuck them up in a deathmatch.
And I was nasty.
joe rogan
You're like, fuck, shit!
freddy lockhart
I was a grenade expert.
I would hold it, but I'd do a drive by you and drop it at the last second and take off and just fuck your world up.
brian redban
Battlefield where you just drop a grenade like you're driving.
freddy lockhart
Yeah, it's so good.
I had to stop playing.
I had to stop playing to live my life again.
I was like, I'm not living my life.
joe rogan
Do you remember Robert from the Comedy Store, the manager who got addicted to...
freddy lockhart
Robert Davies?
joe rogan
Not World of Warcraft.
No, it was the other one.
EverQuest.
freddy lockhart
Was it Robert Davies?
Yes.
joe rogan
You remember Robert?
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
freddy lockhart
I didn't know he was into that.
joe rogan
Famous Robert quote.
I say this all the time to people when I talk about people who are addicted to games.
We're in the back of the Comedy Store, back by the bar area.
And he goes, it's so weird.
I'm so successful in my online life, but so unsuccessful in my real life.
Because his online life in EverQuest, he was a pimp.
He was like a sorcerer with magic and shit.
freddy lockhart
That's great.
joe rogan
Yeah, he had like pet dragons in his online life.
freddy lockhart
There was a documentary about those people, The World of Warcraft.
Did you see that one?
It was amazing.
joe rogan
Very dangerous.
freddy lockhart
It's like a bad drug.
It's like heroin.
I'm like, dudes are having to move out.
joe rogan
People have thought that kids starve.
Yeah.
Because they get addicted with these online role-playing games.
brian redban
I met this hot chick that was like supermodel hot, and I found out that she was addicted to that game like 12 hours a day.
joe rogan
World of Warcraft?
brian redban
Yeah, and it just blew my mind and was like, okay, this game might not be too bad.
freddy lockhart
I would play Grand Theft Auto probably like up to four hours a day and I felt like that was even a waste.
joe rogan
It's so cool though to put these headphones on and click and enter into a world where there's a bunch of other people online and it's a gigantic massive arena so you can wander around all these different areas.
freddy lockhart
What's the one that just came out?
Bobby Lee keeps trying to get me to get...
He plays it all the time.
It's Las Vegas.
brian redban
Oh, no.
joe rogan
Fallout?
unidentified
Fallout.
brian redban
That's what I'm playing right now.
freddy lockhart
Is that what you're playing?
You like that?
brian redban
Oh, fuck yeah.
Have you played the first one?
freddy lockhart
The Fallout 3?
brian redban
Dude, fuck that.
Get Fallout 3 for $19, play that thing, you'll fucking love it and go beat.
Because it's the exact same game, but it's in Vegas.
freddy lockhart
I love Deathmatch and GTA so much, I never felt the need to play another game.
And then I heard Medal of Honor is pretty good.
joe rogan
What is this Fallout game like?
brian redban
It's more like first-person shooter mixed with a role-playing game, but it's one of these games that, because he likes Grand Theft Auto, it's just an open sandbox, meaning there is tons of different endings.
You could either be a good person or a bad guy, but what's cool is just going into these towns, and it's really realistic, and you can go search through people's house.
joe rogan
Why don't they do it with a mouse and keyboard?
brian redban
Because everyone's used to the controllers.
joe rogan
But it's not as accurate.
brian redban
Yeah, but only a certain amount of games, like Quake, doesn't mean they need to be that accurate.
joe rogan
They've actually had game-offs where they've taken people with PC versions of the game and played them against people that used to...
brian redban
Yeah, for Quake.
unidentified
That's what I'm saying.
Not just Quake.
brian redban
There's only a certain amount of games that need to be that accurate.
Meaning, if you are all playing Battlefield with a controller, there's people that are...
Awesome at that controller.
joe rogan
What I'm telling you is that you're missing one of the most satisfying parts of the game.
brian redban
Well, yeah, but you're talking statistics and numbers.
unidentified
What is quick?
freddy lockhart
I've never played that.
joe rogan
I'm not talking statistics and numbers.
I'm talking about the most satisfying part of these third-person shooters is having nasty aim.
It's being able to blast dudes.
brian redban
But they make games with the controller in mind, so you can't have nasty aim playing any of these games.
joe rogan
But you won't have as good aim as playing with the mouse and the keyboard.
When they've played against each other, the mouse and the keyboard people always win.
Because it's more accurate.
I understand that it's accurate enough.
I think it's accurate enough.
But if you were playing against a guy who had a mouse and a keyboard, it's not accurate enough.
brian redban
But you're never playing with a guy with a mouse and a keyboard.
You're playing other people with controllers.
joe rogan
But why would you do that if you know a mouse and a keyboard is more accurate?
Listen, man.
The whole thing is accuracy in those games.
The whole thing is strategy, planning out your map, and then being able to accurately pick a guy off.
brian redban
They designed the game with the controller and accuracy of the controller's limitations in mind.
So what you might be playing Quake where you are so...
joe rogan
I understand this, Brian.
You're repeating yourself.
What I'm saying is it doesn't matter to me because I'll always know that the mouse and the keyboard is more accurate.
brian redban
For Quake.
joe rogan
No, anytime.
It's more accurate.
brian redban
No, no, no.
joe rogan
Mouse is a more accurate way of aiming.
brian redban
Period.
I bet if you get the best Battlefield 1943 guy versus the best 1943 guy on a computer, I bet there's not going to be a huge difference to where you can go.
joe rogan
There's a difference, man.
There's a difference.
The mouse guys always win.
It's more accurate.
This is not like an opinion.
It's pretty much...
It's more accurate.
You can measure it on a computer.
brian redban
You're shutting off all games on the console because you don't like the controller.
joe rogan
I don't want to get addicted to games, period.
brian redban
Grand Theft Auto has nothing to do with accuracy.
joe rogan
But to me, if I'm going to play video games, I'm going to play the most thrilling ones.
And the most thrilling ones, to me, are first-person shooters.
Deathmatch-style, first-person, like Quake.
Counter-Strike, shit like that.
You're running around shooting.
Mouse and keyboard is the only way to go with those.
freddy lockhart
That's exactly what the deathmatch in Grand Theft Auto, and you have all of New York City as your playground for a deathmatch.
joe rogan
I could be totally down with that, though, but I would want to be able to get people with a mouse and a keyboard.
You could snipe people and shit.
freddy lockhart
Dude, I snipe.
brian redban
That's what I'm saying.
joe rogan
You have to make sure that they're not looking at you.
freddy lockhart
I'm a level 10, dude.
I'm Lee Harvey Oswald.
joe rogan
When you're playing Quake, you don't get...
opportunities dudes don't sit around and just wait to be shot in the head right right everybody's constantly moving oh yeah you have to be very active oh these guys move all the time you go to the airport and have the death match dude i go find a nest somewhere and i just let them run and i'll leave them i'll leave them we call it quake they call it camping like rocket jump up there was like certain crazy trick moves that you can do and one of them was this dude figured out how to double rocket jump right to the top of this tower he would throw a grenade down and then he would rocket jump on the grenade oh that's so he would make sure that the the grenade he timed the grenade
he'd clink clink clink and then he would rocket jump as it went off and he would go sailing to the top of this tower was a trick move and then he would just jack people and win the map because you couldn't get him out of there and he would just peck you off of the rails I should go get this today, Quake.
unidentified
Oh, fuck yeah.
Quake 1, 2, 3, 4. They've all been out for a long time.
brian redban
You don't want Quake.
Get Killzone 2. Have you played that yet?
joe rogan
Why do you say you don't want Quake?
I want Quake.
I love it.
brian redban
Because Killzone 2 is a million times better.
There's so many games that are a million times better.
unidentified
To you.
brian redban
You just haven't played them.
freddy lockhart
You just described everything I like.
I love Warfare.
I just love Warfare.
If you love Warfare, you can be tactical.
joe rogan
Yes.
One-on-one death matches with Quake are the most fucking thrilling shit you can ever do online.
freddy lockhart
It's whittled down to one dude online and some before, and it gets real exciting.
joe rogan
Brad, you love different tastes than me.
I'm just saying my tastes are different.
brian redban
I'm just saying that they've taken that game and have made it a million times better.
joe rogan
You're saying it to you.
brian redban
There's a ton of games there.
joe rogan
To me, if it's not a mouse and keyboard, and you don't have that kind of accuracy...
freddy lockhart
You can get these for Mac?
brian redban
Most of these games are for Mac, also.
A lot of the Call of Duty.
joe rogan
Has Mac caught up?
brian redban
Not really, right?
It's alright.
EA has been pushing it a little bit better lately.
freddy lockhart
What's a good one I can get for Mac?
brian redban
They all have boot camps.
freddy lockhart
Can I get Quake for Mac?
joe rogan
Yes.
Is it getting to a point now, though, where most games are just going console?
brian redban
For the most part.
I mean, they still release them here and there, but it's not...
They're selling a million times more on consoles.
freddy lockhart
Yeah, most consoles are becoming...
brian redban
Just because you can have the best computer and then you get that game and it's awesome, next year you're going to have to do something about your computer if you want it to be as good as a console or whatever.
joe rogan
So the console, what they've done is they've just kind of standardized everything and this is what you get and bam, you just set it up.
freddy lockhart
It should be updatable though.
Makes sense.
Or your computer.
brian redban
You're constantly updating a computer.
That's the problem.
Then you get a virus or you get something that slows down your computer and then you're fucked.
Consoles, you know, everything is designed for the console.
Like a Mac is.
You know, all the programs are designed for Macs.
So it doesn't ever really get slower.
Your PS3 is going to be as fast as the first day you get is the last day.
freddy lockhart
PC is like the quake on the way home.
You already got me into it.
I love killing people.
joe rogan
So addictive, dude.
Are you good at aiming with a mouse and a keyboard?
freddy lockhart
No, but I can get good at it.
joe rogan
I would go online, man, and I would play against dudes who are professionals.
Like, every now and then, dudes who are real professional players would be in these rooms, and you'd go one-on-one deathmatch against these guys and just get raped.
unidentified
They'll teach you the way.
joe rogan
It's like, What kind of control and domination someone can have over you.
freddy lockhart
I always love that.
joe rogan
It's so exciting.
Your fucking heart is beating a million miles a minute.
Dude's chasing after you.
You see lightning going right by your head and barely missing you.
freddy lockhart
Dude, I love it.
I love urban warfare, too.
That's the cool thing about Grand Theft Auto.
You can go to different boroughs in New York and stuff.
brian redban
Actually, you can click QuakeLive for free.
Just click QuakeLive.com and you can play for free.
freddy lockhart
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah, it's a web-based program.
It works for Mac, too.
I need you to fucking keep me away from it.
So scary, man.
freddy lockhart
Quick live, and I'm on, and I'm gaming.
joe rogan
You lose your goddamn life, bro.
They're gonna get you.
unidentified
No, I love it.
joe rogan
They're gonna get you.
unidentified
I love it.
joe rogan
Dude's gonna be hitting you with a chain gun.
freddy lockhart
Oh, I love it, man.
I love it.
I was so nasty in Deathmatch, and the other one, it's like I would come up just to piss somebody off.
I'd stab them to death.
They'd have a gun, and I'd shank them to death just to be a dick.
joe rogan
Brian and I first met, we played online once, and this was like in the height of my quake addiction.
And we only played once.
brian redban
Yeah, he won like 102 times in a row or something.
I didn't even win.
But to me, that wasn't even like a fun experience.
joe rogan
Well, that was because it was unmatched.
brian redban
It wasn't...
I played Unreals.
I played the Quakes all my life.
But to me, the idea of just run, run, run, kill, kill, die.
Run, run, run, kill, die.
That's not fun to me.
I want a little bit more of an adventure, I guess, mixed in with my first-person shooter.
Or just not having to start over from scratch every 30 seconds or a minute.
joe rogan
Well, normally you don't.
Well, we were just...
It was not enjoyable for you because we were matched.
We were poorly matched.
freddy lockhart
Well, see, the thing is, I don't like tasks.
I've never stolen a car and grabbed that off.
joe rogan
I ain't driving anything, bitch.
freddy lockhart
I don't work for anybody.
joe rogan
I'm here to shoot people.
Yeah.
I'm here to run down hallways and lightning gun someone to death.
freddy lockhart
Right.
I'm all about...
I bring nothing but hating people.
joe rogan
I'm here to rocket launch you in the face, bitch.
freddy lockhart
Yeah, I love that shit.
joe rogan
I'm here to catch you when you're hitting that bouncy pad and jumping through the air.
I want to catch you mid-jump with a rail gun and watch you explode in a spot.
Bray of red.
freddy lockhart
I love that, dude.
brian redban
Red pixels.
freddy lockhart
QuakeLive.com, is that what we're talking about?
brian redban
So much fun.
freddy lockhart
And I can just get on and play for free?
joe rogan
It's so much fun!
Yeah, I mean, it can lose your life.
brian redban
Since you've never played it, you'll probably like it, but I think you're going to be easily, like, okay.
No, no, I think you're just going to be easily bored with it.
You're going to be more want...
For like the Vegas, Fallout Vegas or something like that.
joe rogan
Why would you say that?
Why would he be easily bored if he likes deathmatches?
brian redban
Because he likes Grand Theft Auto type games.
joe rogan
But he likes deathmatches.
freddy lockhart
But just the deathmatch in Grand Theft Auto.
I never do the tasks.
I've never done any of the tasks.
brian redban
Right, right, right.
That's what I'm saying.
But you like the open-end rule.
You're not dying every three seconds in Grand Theft Auto.
You're collecting weapons.
joe rogan
Brian, you only die every three seconds when you play someone who's way better than you.
freddy lockhart
Well, in the deathmatch, you do.
brian redban
If you watch people in the deathmatch of Quake, people are dying at least once every minute or so.
joe rogan
Okay, but you're talking...
Okay, once every minute, yeah.
But you're also talking...
Are you talking one-on-one?
brian redban
No, I'm talking about team deathmatch free-for-all, you know?
freddy lockhart
Yeah, if I'm playing a deathmatch in GTA and there's 18 people in it, you're dying about an average a minute.
And you're good if you stay alive.
brian redban
If you're going right in the middle of it.
To me, I'm like you.
I get to collect my weapons.
I collect some health.
freddy lockhart
There's some rooms where the moderator only allow rocket launchers.
So you have to just basically go around shooting by people's feet.
brian redban
Zero gravity.
freddy lockhart
Yeah.
So those ones are cool too, but I like warfare.
I like collecting my weapons and getting a grenade and tactically leading somebody into a trap.
joe rogan
Well, that's the best thing about Deathmatch and Quake is that you control a map and that the weapons will respawn every 30 seconds.
unidentified
Oh, that's great.
joe rogan
So you can keep running around snatching up the rocket launchers as they respawn.
And every time you get them, you get extra rockets and this guy can't get shit.
So he's running around with his gay little pistol.
unidentified
Oh, sweet.
joe rogan
With only a certain amount of bullets, and you're fully loaded with all the armor.
You're timing all the armor.
You're timing all the weapon respawns.
You have all your weapons, all your armor, and you're just raping him every time he respawns.
freddy lockhart
How is it free?
How are they making money?
Can you pull it up?
joe rogan
It's an old game.
Quake has been around for a long time.
Quake Live is just their way of giving back to the community and making people excited about their game and making it so that it's a cross-platform thing that they can do where it's web-based so they can work on their shit while they develop new games.
They work on their ability to make them for the web.
freddy lockhart
Do you still play?
Are you still playing?
joe rogan
No, it's scary to me.
Too scary.
I don't want to lose my life.
I've talked about it so many times in the podcast, I can't talk about it anymore, but I have a real addiction to games.
I get addicted to things.
freddy lockhart
Yeah, me too.
joe rogan
We talked about it.
How many comics are like us?
A lot, right?
freddy lockhart
It's part of it.
You have to be.
You have to be a sick fuck to want to go up and make strangers laugh.
joe rogan
Yeah.
freddy lockhart
To extract an involuntary response for them intermittently.
It's a fucking weird thing.
joe rogan
And risk them not laughing and get through them not laughing and rebound and try it again.
unidentified
Yeah.
freddy lockhart
You should have seen me.
I was in Iowa at the Funny Bone last week, and the Friday night they just stared at us.
Just stared at us.
And I was like, oh my god, this is going to be a long week.
And luckily it was just a different crowd, and the rest of the crowds were great.
So much so, in fact, I was very impressed.
I was like, oh, you guys are pretty fucking cool people here.
joe rogan
There's a lot of cool people all over the country now because of the internet.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Kids are cool now.
freddy lockhart
Just a very cool, and there was no conservative.
There's some of the libertarians, which I feel bad for real libertarians, the one that the teabaggers are starting to extract their message, which they're nothing about.
Real libertarians aren't like that at all.
But there's some real libertarians out there and some cool guys that talk politics.
joe rogan
There's some teabaggers that are real libertarians.
freddy lockhart
Yeah, there are.
joe rogan
There's the Ron Pauls of the movement.
freddy lockhart
And I feel bad that they get lumped in with the wrong ones.
joe rogan
It's a very, very tricky thing when you start getting a giant group together.
Because it's like, okay, who's in this group?
Okay, and what are your beliefs?
But you're calling yourself a teabagher too, but you don't like black people?
And you think Obama should go back to Africa?
You think he was born in Indonesia, but you're a teabagger too.
So it gets confusing.
Whenever you have a big group, it's like, God damn it, do we have to state what it is to be a teabagger?
You must love everyone indiscriminately.
You must do this.
You must do that.
You must not be a Civil War reenactor.
freddy lockhart
I mean, Libertarians had theirs pretty well mapped out, though, before.
You knew exactly what they stood for.
No police states.
joe rogan
Isn't it funny, though, that it's such a fringe organization that it's thought of as fringe?
Like, oh, I voted Libertarian.
Oh, you fucking idiot.
unidentified
Yeah.
freddy lockhart
And that's the only way to make change, if somebody finally does something and says, fuck this, fuck voting right or wrong, or fuck voting, I'm voting how I feel instead of voting.
Because it's like they were saying when Obama was running, it's like, I liked Ron Paul a lot.
I really liked him.
I was like, God, I kind of think I want to vote for this guy.
You know, I won't say whether I did or didn't, but it's like I could really...
I was more attuned with everything he was saying.
joe rogan
Yeah, without a doubt.
But we've talked about this before, that they always made him out to be kooks.
Everyone on Fox News made him out to be a kook.
Everyone on CNN... I mean, that's not impartial reporting.
That's not even the news.
What they're doing is they were programming us to think that he was a joke candidate.
That was the agenda.
freddy lockhart
It really is sad, because when you listen to that man talk, he's...
He makes more sense than anybody.
He's not a politico.
These are not statements or catchphrases.
He'll tell you honestly, and it's like, wow, you'll never get in office because nobody will ever have the balls to pull the trigger on you.
joe rogan
It's a real wake-up call whenever there's any political campaigning.
Whenever you look at that crazy lady in Arizona, what is the woman's name?
unidentified
Jan Brewer.
joe rogan
Yeah, Jan Brewer.
unidentified
Oh, God.
joe rogan
She made up some crazy shit about her father dying in World War II. Meanwhile, her father's alive.
freddy lockhart
There was that, and now there's the DUI things popping up.
joe rogan
Yeah, she's fucking crazy.
Crazy.
She made up shit about people losing their headless bodies being found on the Mexican border in America.
freddy lockhart
You see her phone on her fucking debate, how she just froze?
joe rogan
She stopped for 10 seconds.
freddy lockhart
I was like, who does that?
Who really does that?
I wouldn't stop at gunpoint.
joe rogan
Well, what it was explained to me was that she was never even elected for that job.
She was given that job.
freddy lockhart
Well, when Napolitano left, she was lieutenant governor.
She was.
And you know what?
They will elect her today.
joe rogan
You think so?
freddy lockhart
That's my old hometown, man.
I love my people there, and I love springtime in Arizona, but there's some politically backwards.
It's gotten more backwards since I've left.
It was pretty cool in the 90s.
Fife Symington was governor, but...
joe rogan
We were in a club in Phoenix, and Brian set me hip to one of the major problems in Phoenix.
Do you remember that?
This was a long time ago.
Many, many years ago.
brian redban
They were all cocaine vampires.
freddy lockhart
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
We were in this club, and I had never done coke before.
And Brian goes, everyone's on coke.
He's like, what are you talking about?
Everyone.
Everyone here's on coke.
I go, okay, okay.
Tell me how you know they're on coke.
And he goes, watch.
He goes, you're going to look around.
Don't look at it.
You're going to look around.
Everyone's going to be touching their nose, and they're all going to be talking, and they're all going to be very excited, and there's going to be a lot of fist pumps and a lot of fucking high fives.
He goes, just look around.
And all of a sudden, I looked around, and it was like the opening scene in Blade, where the blood started spraying from the ceiling, and the guy's confused.
unidentified
Like, what the fuck?
Ah!
joe rogan
He's like, what the hell, man?
freddy lockhart
That's so true, because it's too hot during the day, and they stay in the clubs all night.
It's a very strange thing, and it happened in the Old West, even in Wyatt Earp's day.
There's just always been this strange outlaw rogue mentality there.
joe rogan
Which is cool, but here's a problem with Phoenix.
I love Phoenix.
I love going back there.
The problem with that place is it gets too hot.
brian redban
120 at 2 a.m.?
joe rogan
It's too hot.
And people stop thinking when it gets that hot.
freddy lockhart
And it really is.
And it's something where it's like, you know, I haven't lived there in 10, 11 years.
And I could never.
I don't know how I lived in it.
I don't know how I did it.
joe rogan
I don't know how.
Extreme heat brings like a lackadaisic mentality.
Lackadaisical.
You're like, ugh.
freddy lockhart
Yeah, it does.
joe rogan
You don't want to do anything.
You're like, fuck this.
freddy lockhart
You just hopscotch from air conditioner to air conditioner.
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah.
freddy lockhart
That's literally what you do.
joe rogan
It's not good.
I'd rather have chilly.
I'd rather have 30 degrees.
I would rather have 30 degrees like Colorado.
freddy lockhart
It's fucking perfect here, dude.
It's like 75 degrees every day.
joe rogan
It gets hot out here in the valley.
It gets hot.
It's awesome in Malibu.
When you're by the ocean, Santa Monica.
freddy lockhart
With that marine layer and everything.
joe rogan
Yeah, because it's never hot.
It's never cold.
It's always like 70-something degrees.
brian redban
You can always wear shorts in November if you want.
freddy lockhart
That's what's good about the marine layer.
It keeps the heat out.
It keeps it cool in when it needs to.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Until a big rock from the sky hits that bitch and the water comes a thousand miles high towards the rocks.
freddy lockhart
And I'll be out there looting, son.
joe rogan
Will you be?
freddy lockhart
Yeah, I'll be out there looting.
joe rogan
Will you go looting at the first sign of anything going wrong?
Would you put a mask on, or do you think you would just, fuck it, risk those YouTube videos?
freddy lockhart
I think, you know what I would do is just go completely like Lord of the Flies.
I'd get a crazy haircut.
joe rogan
Yeah?
freddy lockhart
Just do everything.
One eyebrow maybe off, you know, whatever.
joe rogan
Mad Max style?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Do you ever worry about that?
About the end of the society?
About everything falling apart?
freddy lockhart
I don't worry about it.
I think about it.
Like I said earlier, I think if I was part of the last generation, that'd be kind of a cool thing.
It would be.
It's like, yeah, this generation.
What about the last generation?
That's some cool shit.
If we're all dying together...
joe rogan
The last generation, it won't matter because there'll be no one to tell the story to.
freddy lockhart
But you know what?
Exactly.
But there's no...
There's no kaboom.
There's no we end all at once.
I think the idea is just like how it's happened before.
It's something real bad will happen and then people will die out and replenish after a while.
But it'll just be shitty times.
Even if nuclear war happens all over the world.
joe rogan
It's like we've got it too good right now with refrigerators and cell phones.
We've got it wired, dude.
Go to the supermarket Get a big fat steak Pick up some fucking charcoal Come home Light that bitch Kick back Watch a little of the fucking high def TV Watch some HD net fights and shit Have a cold beer out of your refrigerator It's getting better It's just getting better and better It's the greatest time to be alive ever It really is And every day you can say that And so when people say like I won't bring kids into this world Shut up, faggot Shut your mouth.
Would you rather bring them in the fucking King Arthur day and die of smallpox?
unidentified
Your baby's a witch!
joe rogan
Yeah.
Yeah.
They're fucking beating it with sticks and lightning on fire.
unidentified
Fuck you.
joe rogan
It's the best time to have people right now.
freddy lockhart
It's the absolute best time.
joe rogan
And speaking of which, not speaking of which, where are you at next?
Where are you doing stand-up?
freddy lockhart
I'll be at the Comedy Store locally here in LA this week.
Then I'm going to be headlining in La Jolla.
joe rogan
What time are your spots?
Because you know the Comedy Store.
freddy lockhart
I'm usually on at 10 p.m.
between 10 p.m.
and 10.45.
joe rogan
There's some times to avoid at that motherfucker.
freddy lockhart
Yeah, there certainly is.
From 9 o'clock until midnight, it's pretty good.
joe rogan
You guys been getting good crowds down there?
freddy lockhart
Yeah, real good crowds.
We've joined the 21st century thanks to Alf Lamont.
We're online now.
joe rogan
Yeah, Alf is cool.
He's contacting me on Twitter.
I've gone back and forth with him.
Seems like he's dedicated to the idea of the store.
That's what the store always needs.
It needs someone to come along that believes in the whole message of it.
freddy lockhart
Sure.
And there really isn't a whole lot to do.
joe rogan
Mitzi's on it.
freddy lockhart
Yeah.
It's like Aunt Bethany in Christmas Vacation.
Is the house on fire clock?
joe rogan
How many conversations do you have with Tommy on a regular?
What's the most ridiculous shit he's ever said to you?
freddy lockhart
Um...
Well, my favorite thing about it is it's not even like people are like, he's racist.
He's not really racist.
He just believes some crazy shit.
Like what?
Like if somebody does something, they'll be like, oh, it's because they're German.
I'd be like, I don't care.
unidentified
I don't care.
freddy lockhart
It's because they're Protestant.
It's like, how do you even know?
You know, it's just like he's a very interesting character.
Him and Johnny Zapp, you know there's characters up there that you'll never forget as long as you live.
joe rogan
It's a magnet for crazy people.
freddy lockhart
It really is, and it's like a beacon for them on the Sunset Strip.
They would never try to walk into another business.
They wouldn't walk into the Andas next door.
They wouldn't try that at the House of Blues.
They come right to the store.
joe rogan
It's a magnet.
freddy lockhart
And they know they can go to the very back and come out without being hassled.
They know.
unidentified
They know.
joe rogan
Robert William Approvise.
He has fucking plastic bags popping out of his clothes.
You see him hanging out there.
He insulates his body with plastic bags because he's got to walk like 10 miles to get to the comedy store.
brian redban
I saw him like last week and he was talking to Tommy and I was like, I just went to go like, hey, good to see you.
joe rogan
You can't touch him.
brian redban
He freaked out.
joe rogan
He'll start yiping like a dog.
freddy lockhart
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, he's nuts.
freddy lockhart
I heard he played basketball at UCLA. Yeah?
I heard he was quite brilliant.
brian redban
Really?
freddy lockhart
I heard he was just brilliant.
I mean, I shouldn't...
joe rogan
He may have some sort of a mind disorder.
unidentified
He was a brilliant dude.
freddy lockhart
And now he's living like downtown in the Alexandria Hotel.
He just went nuts.
It's like schizophrenia got him.
Because you can tell, you can have a conversation with him.
I have.
joe rogan
Brian was just talking about another guy that we know that went nuts.
brian redban
Yeah, it just seems – no.
Why not?
Because that's not as personal.
But I think it's weird how if you look at comics in general, there's a big part of these comics that they do end up losing their minds.
They do end up going through huge things of depression and getting into hardcore drugs.
joe rogan
Well, it's a crazy ride, man, the ride of needing to constantly be up and on that stage and constantly be pumping it out and turning it on for people.
It's a very delicate balance, and you have to balance out your ego with your imagination, with your desire to please people, with your desire to make yourself – You have to figure out what the fuck you're doing this for, why you're doing it.
You have to figure out why bits aren't working.
You've got to figure out why they're not liking you.
There's a lot of shit going on.
It's a lot of stress for a lot of people, and some of them just can't handle it after a while.
The very need for it in the first place usually...
it usually signifies something went wrong in their childhood oh absolutely i would say that yeah i would say that that you know my dad didn't play ball with me that's why i'm a comedian yeah that's exactly why i need the attention of people you know everybody right all of us and have you ever met anybody that's any good that isn't like that yeah or that had a great upbringing and it's like yeah childhood was great and it's one of the reasons why you know we can identify with each other It's one of the reasons why we appreciate each other and respect each other in a way that, like even when I was talking about Marc Maron earlier, I like Marc.
I don't have a problem with Marc.
But if I saw Marc in Germany, if I was going through the airport in Germany and all of a sudden I ran into Marc, I'd be genuinely happy to see him.
Right.
freddy lockhart
Somebody of your ilk.
joe rogan
Not only is he of my ilk, he's like one of me.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
You know what I mean?
We might be different, but we're both comics.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
There might be a thousand of us in the whole country.
For real.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
I mean, if you look at all the comedians in this country, all the professional comedians, there's 300 million plus people and Mexicans.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
Okay, so who knows how many that really is.
300 million plus people, and out of them, maybe 1,000 of them are professional comedians.
Add that 1,000 comedians, maybe...
How many are headliners?
Are there 300?
Are there 500?
Is there even that many?
freddy lockhart
It's a very exclusive group.
joe rogan
That's a nutty number, man.
500 people.
freddy lockhart
That's pretty amazing.
joe rogan
We're just throwing that off the top of our head, but I think it's probably pretty accurate.
freddy lockhart
You're probably dead right about that, because we live in comedy cities.
Yeah.
When people meet a comedian outside of L.A. or something, it's like meeting an astronaut to them.
They don't know what it's about.
joe rogan
Totally.
freddy lockhart
You know, here...
joe rogan
The comedy community in Indianapolis.
When I was in Indianapolis, I hung out with some dudes that were local comics there.
It's nice to see.
It's nice to know that there's a little amateur community.
I go, what else do you do around here?
Oh, there's a bar that does comedy on Tuesday night.
There's this place.
This guy runs a room.
They're trying to develop some little comedy community.
freddy lockhart
They got to go, and Iowa has it, too.
When I was there, they had a little community going.
He's like, you got any advice?
I go, get the fuck out of Iowa.
Yeah!
joe rogan
But it's not bad to start out in a place that sucks.
freddy lockhart
It's not bad.
And you know what?
The Midwest, they have some great clubs, some funny bones.
They're always good.
joe rogan
And I always feel the need to support those clubs, too, and come back and do those clubs.
I try to do all the cool little clubs.
I love going back and doing the Punchline Atlanta.
You ever do the Punchline Atlanta?
freddy lockhart
I've never been.
joe rogan
Oh, it's a fucking...
Beautiful club.
Perfect size.
It's got wood paneling, ancient photographs.
I mean, it hasn't changed a nick.
freddy lockhart
Isn't it the underground?
joe rogan
Brian went up during a fucking UFC night.
He hadn't done comedy in years, okay?
And we were smoking weed, and we were drunk, and we were like, you want to do some comedy tonight?
Oh, what?
Tonight?
Tonight in this fucking crowd?
Come on, dude.
Just get up there and do it.
He goes, alright, let me try to remember my stuff.
He hasn't done comedy.
How long have you not done comedy?
brian redban
Three or four years.
joe rogan
Three or four years.
brian redban
And he only did it like ten times before that.
joe rogan
And this was a midnight UFC crowd at the Punchline Atlanta.
But that's how good the Punchline is.
That a midnight fucking crowd on a UFC night where there were just savages in the audience.
And he could still go out and kill.
freddy lockhart
Oh, that's great, dude.
joe rogan
It's a fucking classic club.
Perfect size.
brian redban
Great owners too.
Great setup.
I like how they have this little balcony.
joe rogan
Comedy Works in Denver.
That's another one.
Fucking epic place.
Epic little club.
This weekend I'm doing the Cap City Comedy Club in Austin.
You ever do that?
unidentified
Oh!
freddy lockhart
One of the best clubs ever!
joe rogan
God damn, it's one of the best clubs ever.
God damn, this place is, in my opinion, the most exciting place to perform in the whole country.
There's something about Austin and this Cap City has been around forever.
They love the arts in Austin.
They do They're just big supporters of the arts They super appreciate good comedy too Because Hicks had like a big base in Austin There's a lot of really good local comics in Austin It's a lot of really smart artists Yeah, they have a scene Sixth Street They definitely have a kick-ass scene there Do you do Cap City?
You ever do that?
freddy lockhart
No, I haven't.
joe rogan
Oh, son.
You gotta go there.
freddy lockhart
I gotta, you know, locally, it's like, obviously the store.
Are you ever gonna come back to the store, you think?
joe rogan
No.
freddy lockhart
You're a man of your word, I'll say.
You vowed you wouldn't.
I'll say, fella.
You're never coming back to Ciro's, huh?
joe rogan
Listen, cocksucker, I've been there before.
Been there, done that.
Moving on.
freddy lockhart
Sure.
brian redban
Get your shoes shined over there.
joe rogan
It would be an affront.
It would be a travesty.
It would be...
I could not do it.
They did everything that does not stand for comedy, they stood for.
Everything that they should have been fighting against, they embraced.
freddy lockhart
The hackery.
joe rogan
Not just that.
The fact that I fucking worked for those assholes for free.
My name was on the marquee every weekend.
I promoted them on my MySpace page just to keep that place open.
freddy lockhart
You were the only reason I could leave my shirt not inside out.
Like, when I worked the booth there, I was so fucking embarrassed about that lineup.
Like, you were the only saving grace, and dare I even say Eddie Griffin if he was intact.
joe rogan
It was some dark, dark years, man.
freddy lockhart
Like, there was a girl who would eat the matzo and the crumbs, and there was the dingle.
joe rogan
There was so many people there that didn't work anywhere else.
freddy lockhart
And Mitzi gave them a fucking Friday, Saturday night spots in the prime.
Like, people would come up and be like, do you work here?
I'd be like, no.
unidentified
No, I don't.
joe rogan
Dude, we had Renna Zizi on.
He said the exact same thing.
freddy lockhart
It's so embarrassing.
It's like, you're just like, please, Joe, put Joe on, put Joe on.
I would lie to guys.
Guys would come up and be like, am I on?
I was like, no, you're not.
Actually, Mitzi called and said, we've got to put Joe on now.
It was just so bad.
And I would look people in the face and tell them, what was it, like $10 at the time?
But I'd make them come in there and pay, and they'd be like, when's the comedy going to start?
Now, I'll give them the credit.
It's young guys.
It's relevant people.
joe rogan
You got some upcoming guys.
freddy lockhart
Yeah.
joe rogan
There's Steve.
freddy lockhart
There's Al.
There's Steve Byrne.
There's Ari.
There's a lot of guys who I would say, you're getting a good show.
And there's this new crop of guys, too.
Bobby Lee and I were talking about this.
They don't quite mind their P's and Q's all the time.
They don't understand the hierarchy there, that you're not even allowed to look at me.
unidentified
Yeah.
You know what I mean?
freddy lockhart
Because Bobby gets real bent out of shape about that.
He's like, fuck the new guy.
I fucking hate that fucking new guy.
He fucking looked at me.
unidentified
Get out of here.
joe rogan
Does he really want to have a hierarchy?
freddy lockhart
Are you serious?
He's like, these guys are not allowed to fucking talk to me.
I was laughing at him because this guy is the nicest guy in the world that he's talking about.
Everybody likes this new guy.
joe rogan
Comics get like that, man.
I had a lot of comics when I was coming up that had been around before that would give you advice and a solo...
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
When you get to fucking get two years in the business, then tell me what you think's funny.
Okay, kid?
freddy lockhart
Right, right, right.
joe rogan
Like, well, meanwhile, dude, you suck.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
How about that?
freddy lockhart
Yeah.
joe rogan
How about you're never going to be funny?
Yeah.
freddy lockhart
That's the thing, too.
I used to hate...
I remember when I started there, there was these...
Like, Frankie Pace was still hanging around.
Oh, bitter.
You want to talk about...
Bitter!
unidentified
Bitter!
joe rogan
He was angry at everybody.
Look at this guy.
He's got a fucking deal.
He's on TV. What about me?
freddy lockhart
You know who's doing that now is Kravitz.
Steve Kravitz?
joe rogan
I heard he took a long time off.
unidentified
He did.
joe rogan
And then he started coming back to comedy recently.
freddy lockhart
He's been coming back.
And we were always friendly with each other.
I still am friendly with him.
But he's just a bitter, bitter guy.
And that's a real bad thing in comedy.
unidentified
It's the worst.
freddy lockhart
I've noticed, you know, I seldom shit on other comics because, one, I'm not watching them.
And two, I don't care.
The thing is, the Carlos thing needed to be addressed.
People shit on Dane Cook.
He's never taken anything from me in my life.
joe rogan
Dane is not a bad person.
freddy lockhart
He's never taken anything from me in my life.
joe rogan
What Dane did, he made some unfortunate choices, and he's a super ambitious guy, and he's a powerful, motivated dude.
freddy lockhart
It's no accident he is who he is.
People would be like, I'll meet these guys, these young open muggers, like, screw Dane Cook.
I'm like, I was here ten years ago when that guy was still grinding.
And I've never met a comedian who worked that hard.
Do you have to like his comedy?
No, I don't like it.
But is he a comedian?
joe rogan
Yeah, he's a comedian.
The difference between him and Minstelia was so evident.
freddy lockhart
I'm glad that was pointed out, too, because even when he was on your show, he was like, look, I am not him, and I do not deserve to be put into that category.
joe rogan
What happened with Minstilium 2 was this crazy thing where he would go on in front of guys and do their material.
Do you remember when he did that Loco thing and he went in front of Johnny Sanchez?
He did his closing bit before he brought him up.
He would do that to people all the time.
He would just gank shit and do it in front of you.
And it was like an in-your-face, look what I just got away with.
It was like some sort of badass thing.
unidentified
Bully.
brian redban
Bully.
freddy lockhart
Yeah, it's a very mindfuck thing.
I remember Maren pointed it out.
He said, like, you know, tell me about your first comedy experience.
I went and bought a book of jokes, he said.
And then I went and told him.
joe rogan
Well, that Maren thing, that was the most disappointing thing.
It's one of the reasons why.
I mean, like I said, I don't hate Maren.
He's a good guy.
He's trying to do the right thing with his life.
But he said about this Mencia thing that me and him on stage was two bullies arguing over bullshit.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
joe rogan
I'm like, man, you know, that's not fair.
Because I didn't want this to happen, and the only reason it happened in the first place was to get Moron called me up on stage.
He actually got on stage, took the microphone, and called me up on stage.
Got on stage, took it from a guy who was on stage who I brought up.
And so I was like, look, if you want to do this, I'll do this.
Like, I'm not scared of you.
Like, if you want to call me out in front of a room full of people that I just performed for, and you want to continue this, okay.
If you have the microphone, okay.
You don't deserve to have the microphone.
You're not even supposed to be on stage.
But if you want to do that and you've just hijacked the show, I'll go up there and we'll figure out where this goes.
And that's what it was to me.
If it wasn't for Brian and Brian's editing skills, it would have never even hit the air.
I didn't even know he was in the room when it happened.
brian redban
You know what's crazy is before that even happened, he knew who I was and hated me because I had earlier made this other Carlos Mencia video that was not successful at all.
But I had made this video, and I remember he walked past me, stopped right next to me, looked at me, and chicken-necked me.
And that was something only bullies did in elementary school.
When you go up to somebody and you flinch your face right into their face, like, woo, you know, like that.
freddy lockhart
No, he did that?
brian redban
Yeah, that was like a week before that.
joe rogan
He was so crazy.
He chest checked me.
I was on the way off the stage before he went on stage and took the microphone away from this guy.
He stood in front of me and like chest checked me.
freddy lockhart
I can't believe he did that.
joe rogan
And I was like, bitch, are you crazy?
Of course he hasn't.
And I was like, I will end your life with my bare hands right here.
freddy lockhart
You know, he started drinking.
unidentified
Did he?
freddy lockhart
Yeah.
unidentified
Did you know that?
Are you serious?
freddy lockhart
He's like 40-something.
He just started.
unidentified
Wow.
freddy lockhart
I heard this on Marin's podcast.
joe rogan
This is the reason why I can't go back to the store.
They supported that guy.
They embraced that guy.
He can still go anytime he wants.
They set the worst example ever for the art.
freddy lockhart
And if there was one club who should be governing of that.
joe rogan
It was a personal thing.
It wasn't Mitzi's choice because I had spoke to Mitzi an hour before it happened.
freddy lockhart
You were doing that on behalf of all the guys.
He wasn't stealing from you.
You were doing it on behalf of us.
joe rogan
He wasn't stealing from me because I was so vocal about it.
I knew it was coming.
And he did He did steal from me a bunch of times on the road.
I got calls from guys who opened for him all over the country.
I'd get calls from guys who went to see him in Houston.
He was doing my bits.
He was.
He was doing everybody's shit.
It wasn't just what you saw on the DVDs.
It was every fucking night he performed, he was doing people's shit.
freddy lockhart
That exposed him that night.
I can't believe I was there.
joe rogan
Dude, it had to be done, right?
I mean, it had to be done.
But that's what pissed me off about what Maren said.
It's two bullies arguing over bullshit.
Like, look, man, I might be a loud dude, and I might be aggressive, and I might be overly aggro, but I'm not a bully.
freddy lockhart
Yeah, you were championing us.
joe rogan
If you're a nice person, I'm going to be so nice to you.
If you're a nice guy, I'm fucking for sure nice back.
But if you're a dickhead to me, I'm going to be a bigger dick back.
Yeah, and with that guy it wasn't even a matter of a bullying thing was like we have a fucking criminal in our midst Yeah, and it's being supported by all the substructure It's being supported by all the club managers and supported by the the agents who are profiting off this guy running around stealing people shit It's not like one guy like a Robin Williams who like occasionally he'll blurt out someone's material We're talking about a guy who's just straight ganking people, right?
It was a totally different sort of a situation.
If you weren't there all the time like I was and you were, you wouldn't see how horrible it was.
It was the worst atmosphere for creativity you could ever imagine, where everyone was worried and we used to have to light the fucking light up when the dude walked into the room.
You lit that light.
freddy lockhart
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
How many times did you light that light?
freddy lockhart
Yeah, a lot.
I knew when he was coming.
joe rogan
He was working the fucking cover booth.
Freddie was working the cover booth.
And when Mencia would come in, guys would need that light flashed for them to know that that guy was in the room.
freddy lockhart
Know that Mencia was there.
joe rogan
That is so dark.
freddy lockhart
It's amazing when you can okay that with yourself to steal.
It would make comedy really fucking easy.
joe rogan
Well, it's more amazing that the clubs allowed it.
freddy lockhart
Yeah, I know.
joe rogan
It's not amazing that one person's crazy.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
What's amazing is that these clubs go, we can make money off this crazy person.
It's fucking...
freddy lockhart
Not even just the clubs, but it's like it's all of us too.
Somebody should have said something more about it.
It took you to say something.
joe rogan
But you know what?
Everyone says it like, hey, you did it.
You called him out.
It was a total random moment.
It didn't have to happen.
It wasn't planned out.
It was just, what he did is he played on my ego.
He's like, you don't have the balls.
Get up here.
I don't know if it was suicide by cop.
I don't know what it was.
It might have been.
Because he had to know that this was going to end ugly.
What are you going to do?
Are you going to intimidate me?
What are you going to do?
Are you going to be wrong?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
He was so confident.
This is how I knew he was crazy.
When I went on stage, he was so confident.
You know, what the fuck have I ever stole?
When he was saying that to me, he was so confident.
I was like, oh my god, am I crazy?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Did I make all this up?
freddy lockhart
He's good at it.
joe rogan
Am I a hater?
Have my whole philosophy of him just been formed by my own jealousy?
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
So then I started naming bits.
And then as I was naming bits, I just watched him fall apart.
freddy lockhart
He sat down on the stage.
joe rogan
His eyes were cracked.
Glass was shattering in his eyes.
He was seeing the sunlight coming in and killing the vampire.
And then he sat down on the stool.
And then it became ugly.
And then the audience turned on him.
And then at the end, the crazy thing was, after I got off stage, it was like a half an hour berating him and just exposing what he does and what's wrong with what he does.
And you're not an artist.
You're a fucking minor bird.
And you repeat things that other people say.
And you do it.
You take credit for their work.
You don't even understand what comedy is.
You don't even understand the fucking language because you never learned it.
Because all you do is repeat what other people say.
You're a person speaking a language you don't understand literally.
The audience is going crazy.
So this asshole is so nuts.
He wants to perform after this.
He went on...
Do you remember that?
freddy lockhart
Yeah, I remember that.
joe rogan
He tried to do comedy.
freddy lockhart
He tried to do comedy.
joe rogan
For like 10 minutes!
brian redban
I actually have lost footage of that where people were going...
unidentified
While he was doing a set.
brian redban
And he kept going...
freddy lockhart
And then when he walked out, it was like the end of Friday or something.
Like, Debo just got beat up and everybody was getting their kicks in.
Like, fuck you, Carlos.
joe rogan
Everybody did.
And then when I got the boot, man, he came back around on everybody.
freddy lockhart
I can't believe you did that to me, man.
He pulled me and Renazisi aside.
He's like, bro!
unidentified
Wow.
freddy lockhart
I was like, what do you want?
And then me and Steve asked him honestly.
We're like, then tell us about this bit.
Tell us about that bit.
And just like with Maren, he has...
joe rogan
They should have...
The comedy store should have...
Comedy Shore.
freddy lockhart
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Hello, Freud.
That's what it's going to be after Mitzi dies.
Paulie's going to rename it.
What they should have done is they should have stepped in and even if they wanted to keep me banned because I was filming there and they don't want me filming, that's fine.
But you've got to make sure you don't have him headlined the next weekend and you don't get on stage and say, this is my guy.
I'm with Carlos, which is what he did.
What they did was support the worst vampire in the business and let everybody feel helpless and let everybody know that even though you are successful and you do have things going on, you can still get your life fucked with by somebody who's more successful.
And you can see that there are people that really do try to sabotage your career if you expose someone for being a piece of shit and a thief.
And someone who's in direct...
Opposition of what this art form is supposed to be all about, which is you creating and forming your own shit and bringing it out on stage and people appreciating your work.
freddy lockhart
Did you ever talk after that?
You were with Gersh at the time, weren't you?
joe rogan
Yeah.
I'm still friends with my agent at the time.
I don't even want to mention his name because he's a good guy.
He fucked up and he got in a bad situation and they made him choose.
The agency made him choose between Carlos and me.
And they only had me for stand-up comedy.
They had him for stand-up comedy and television and film.
And so they were making more money off of him than I was, and they wanted me to either apologize to him or they were going to have to let me go.
freddy lockhart
Did you guys ever talk again?
joe rogan
I ran into him.
We were on a flight once, and we sat next to each other.
We were flying to...
freddy lockhart
You and Mencia?
joe rogan
No, no, no, no, no, no.
My agent.
freddy lockhart
No, that's what I meant, Mencia.
Have you ever seen that one?
joe rogan
I got nothing to say to that, dude.
freddy lockhart
That's a great movie.
joe rogan
I got nothing to say to him.
And he knows everything he's going to say to me is not going to be real anyway.
It's just going to be noise to try to make everything better, and that's not going to happen.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
He's going to just come over and try to groom me like the little beta monkey trying to pick little bugs off the alpha.
He's going to come over and try to be nice to me.
And I'm going to go, come on, man.
freddy lockhart
Let me groom.
Let me groom.
joe rogan
While you're still doing this, I can't talk to you.
Good luck with your life.
Freddie motherfucking Lockhart.
You're a bad dude.
You're a kick-ass comedian.
You're a cool guy.
And I'm glad we finally got you on the podcast.
freddy lockhart
Dude, thanks for having me, man.
joe rogan
I fucking appreciate it.
Thank you very much, man.
unidentified
Anytime.
joe rogan
More than welcome to come back, man.
You were awesome.
You were a lot of fun.
Thank you, everybody, for tuning in.
Cap City Comedy Club this weekend, Thursday, Friday, and Saturday for me and for Joey Diaz and for Little Esther.
And if you want to catch Freddie Lockhart, he will be at the world-famous comedy store this weekend, Friday and Saturday night.
Around 10 o'clock, you can call, find out what's up, find out who the other lineup is, see if you want to catch yourself some Al Madrigal, see if you want to see some John Caparulo lay it down.
There's a lot of good talent there.
And that's it.
So we will see you.
This is the only one we're going to do this week because I've got to go to Austin, but I'll be back next Tuesday.
And we'll see you guys then, hopefully with Bobby Lee.
Bobby, get back to me, you fucking freak.
Everybody on Twitter, on Facebook, contact Bobby Lee.
Tell that motherfucker to get on the podcast.
He's supposed to be doing it soon, and that'll be a lot of fun.
Thank you very much.
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