April 21, 2010 - The Joe Rogan Experience
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| Five, four, three, two, one. | ||
| And we're live with Joey Coco Diaz and one of the baddest motherfuckers on the planet, Yoel Romero! | ||
| In the house! | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| So, Yoel, you got a good grasp of English. | ||
| Pretty good. | ||
| Joey's going to help fill in the blanks. | ||
| And we'll be able to have some good communication here. | ||
| You guys did a podcast last night in Spanish. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Spanish, Spanglish, and English. | ||
| We started in English and it went into Spanglish. | ||
| I just wanted to know, I wanted people to know how Romero was. | ||
| We talked about Cuba and his humble beginnings, how he went to school from Monday to Fridays at a pyramid, and you just wrestled. | ||
| And that's how they do it in Cuba. | ||
| Then you go up the pyramid, and now he only went home on the weekends. | ||
| A pyramid meaning? | ||
| It's a pyramid school. | ||
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Um... | |
| It's a system. | ||
| It starts at about seven years old. | ||
| All the sports in Cuba start that way. | ||
| And you go up the pyramid. | ||
| You stay there for the week and they educate you, they feed you. | ||
| You sleep there, you wrestle there, you wrestle. | ||
| You wake up in the morning. | ||
| Seven in the morning. | ||
| Everything is run by a schedule. | ||
| Militaristic style. | ||
| Seven to eight breakfast. | ||
| 8 to 12, school. | ||
| You went to school. | ||
| History, the basic stuff. | ||
| Mathematics. | ||
| Physics. | ||
| Everything. | ||
| How did they decide what sport you compete in? | ||
| How did you choose wrestling? | ||
| Was that just something that you loved? | ||
| Or did you like other sports? | ||
| How did you choose to focus on wrestling? | ||
| In the beginning, I want to make it boxing. | ||
| Boxing? | ||
| Boxing. | ||
| My daddy, you know, for the family, for my dad, it's boxing and wrestling people. | ||
| It's my family, wrestling and boxing. | ||
| But I love boxing in the beginning. | ||
| My dad said, no, it's... | ||
| I don't like you making sports, boxing, because boxing is too much punch in the face. | ||
| It's not good, it's not good. | ||
| But, you know, in the beginning I make a boxing, escondido de mi papá. | ||
| He would hide it from his dad. | ||
| Oh really? | ||
| Six years old, he was boxing and he would hide it from his dad. | ||
| A little Ramos, the Olympic, whatever, in 1980. He would sneak around with him. | ||
| He would learn with him how to box, hiding from his dad. | ||
| When did you focus on just wrestling? | ||
| When did wrestling take over? | ||
| Okay. | ||
| In my city, in my city, Pina del Rio, everybody knows my family. | ||
| One coach for wrestling, Jose Vizcaíno, he sees me and I go to... | ||
| The pyramid system is made in this way. | ||
| Many trainers... | ||
| There's a lot of trainers in the pyramid. | ||
| ...they go to schools. | ||
| They go to the schools. | ||
| And to look for talent. | ||
| And they do tryouts. | ||
| Depending on how you're doing the testing. | ||
| So it's just like they go, they evaluate you, and then they decide what's best for you. | ||
| For example, you coach for boxing. | ||
| I am coach for judo. | ||
| Boxing? | ||
| Taekwondo? | ||
| Taekwondo, something like this. | ||
| We say, okay, we go to tomorrow for school. | ||
| And we test the people for the kids. | ||
| You test for the boxing, I do it for wrestling, and you do it for Taekwondo. | ||
| And now you see 10 kids You've got 10 kids and you see who is the best, who is the talent for boxing. | ||
| Maybe you see, okay, for boxing good, maybe not good. | ||
| But you see, you can say, oh, for boxing not good, but for Taiwan, hey, Joy, this guy, I have a talent for your sport. | ||
| And now, you know, like this. | ||
| And that's the pyramid of the system in Cuba, you know. | ||
| The people take it when the kid is very young, you know, and go to the, for the special school for sport, you know. | ||
| The lowest level. | ||
| The lowest level. | ||
| Pre-EIDE. | ||
| Yes, it's the lowest level. | ||
| The other level, the highest level after that is called EIDE. | ||
| EIDE, that's the second level. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The third level is ESPA. | ||
| ESPA. ESPA. ESPA. ESPA tiene, con otro nombre, un nivel más alto. | ||
| Se llama ESPA Nacional. ESPA Nacional. | ||
| That's the highest level. | ||
| That is the junior. | ||
| Junior, okay. | ||
| Junior. | ||
| Then you get the selection to be national. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like an Olympic center like that. | ||
| Like the Olympic center. | ||
| So they take you to a different center. | ||
| So you keep going up until you get to the UFC training facility. | ||
| Matt Brown told me that he did his camp for, I think it was the Mike Pyle fight, did his camp in Cuba. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And he said it was just tremendous talent. | ||
| He said he just couldn't believe how good the boxers were, how good the wrestlers were. | ||
| It was just unbelievable. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I hear that Mark Brown stayed in Cuba. | ||
| I hear. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| For six weeks. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He stayed in Masato. | ||
| He went to the highest level when he was down there. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, he said he got worked. | ||
| I know. | ||
| Those are good guys, man. | ||
| He said they were good. | ||
| Ahora mismo, ahora mismo, I think Yo no puedo ir a un centro olímpico Así, tengo que ir suave porque He thinks he can't even go back there to that center now Now they would spank him at his age. | ||
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That's crazy. | |
| I tease him. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| When you were there, one of the things that Matt was saying, and Matt Brown had tremendous respect for the Cuban athletes, and he said it was an amazing, amazing system that produced great, great talent. | ||
| But he's saying that as you get higher and higher levels, your accommodations are better, where you sleep is better, your food, you get more food. | ||
| So a lot of incentive to improve. - Let's move. | ||
| It's true. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's the reality. | ||
| It's hard to say, but it's a reality. | ||
| He's going to tell you. | ||
| Because I've been to many Olympic centers in the world. | ||
| He went to a lot of Olympic centers all over the world. | ||
| And so he's the number five or number six of that country. | ||
| The number five and the number six wrestlers from those countries eats the same as number one. | ||
| In Cuba it's not like that. | ||
| If you're number three, you don't eat what number one eats. | ||
| Wow! | ||
| And you're not gonna eat the same as number two either. | ||
| The number one guy has the most privilege. | ||
| It's good and it's bad. | ||
| Because it pushes you to be the best. | ||
| You want to get more food. | ||
| What's the bad part? | ||
| That not everybody has to be the best at what they're doing. | ||
| That's the worst part of it. | ||
| Right. | ||
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You're not going to have the privilege of eating a lobster. | |
| It's rough, but if you look at how small Cuba is, but how many great talents have come from Cuba, obviously it's effective. | ||
| I mean, it has its merits, right? | ||
| Like, that system, it's a brutal system, but it seems to be very effective in producing super high-level athletes. | ||
| They didn't give me no trophies for second place. | ||
| There's no, yeah, no, there's no participation trophies. | ||
| No, I mean, they also give you a little trophy, you know? | ||
| Siempre el oro, la plata y el bronce tienen sus trofeos, sus medallas, pero llega un punto donde ya no quieres el trofeo. | ||
| There comes a point where you don't want the trophy anymore. | ||
| You want to eat what the best guys eat. | ||
| You want to sit with the best guys eat. | ||
| I got third place, but who gives a shit? | ||
| Everyone wants to be where everyone wants to play the first. | ||
| When you get to a place, the people see the champs. | ||
| The people want to touch the champs. | ||
| The people want to stay where the champs stay. | ||
| And that's where the people want it. | ||
| The number three, number four, we say, I want to stay. | ||
| Okay, I take the trophy. | ||
| I stay the medal. | ||
| Okay, but... | ||
| I want to feel what the champion is feeling. | ||
| I want to walk where the people walk. | ||
| I want to stay, eat. | ||
| I want the people to talk like me when the people talk to the champion. | ||
| That's what the system pushes. | ||
| And that's what I say every time. | ||
| Every time that's what I say. | ||
| The system pushes you like this. | ||
| The more that the guy that trains the most, the system is the best. | ||
| Every time, every time you see, look at this, you stay for, because I stay in the national team for almost 15 years, 15 years, staying in the Olympic Center. | ||
| You can't imagine staying with the 10 guys for 15 years and the 15 years, 10 guys, I want to kill you. | ||
| That's pressure. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Listen, los cuartos son, it's a building, you know, it's a building with a lot of rooms. | ||
| But there are times that the rooms stay in front of, it's like a hotel, you know, the rooms stay in front of, that's my room, that's the room for the... | ||
| I'm not a guy but this guy is the same division. | ||
| Right. | ||
| El Baver todo. | ||
| He can see for 15 years everything you're doing. | ||
| Everything that you eat. | ||
| Everything that you're sick. | ||
| Everything. | ||
| He knows about you. | ||
| - You do everything. - So you live with your opponents. | ||
| - Right, right. | ||
| - They know when you're sick, they know. | ||
| It's not like when you're fighting Matt Brown, and he's in Kentucky, and you're in Denver training, nobody knows what's going on. | ||
| - Right. | ||
| - There, they train, so you know what I'm doing, and I know what you're doing. | ||
| So we're all on the same floor. | ||
| They do it like that to build adversity, whatever the hell they're building in between. | ||
| - Yeah, adversity, yeah, for sure. | ||
| Yeah. - You know how you have to prepare yourself mentally. | ||
| Do you know how you prepare yourself mentally for that? | ||
| How do you? | ||
| You have to become a fucking machine. | ||
| But it's not only machine in the fight. | ||
| In the fight. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| Machine in your life. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| When you're sick. | ||
| If you broke something. | ||
| This guy. | ||
| Not only one. | ||
| It's ten guys. | ||
| You got that. | ||
| No. | ||
| You have to become a machine inside and out. | ||
| Because those ten guys know when you're sick. | ||
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Right. | |
| They know when you get hurt. | ||
| So now I'm training with you, but I saw that you hurt your wrist in training. | ||
| I'm going after that fucking wrist. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| You know what I'm saying? | ||
| Like, it's just, it's intense. | ||
| So... | ||
| That's why he's the machine that he is. | ||
| He says, it only trains you to be a machine on the outside, but also trains you to be a machine on the inside. | ||
| And, Joe, listen. | ||
| This is very important too. | ||
| I am come for Pinot de Rio City. | ||
| Push this up. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| I come for the Pinot de Rio City. | ||
| Sometimes, you know, Everything is with ages. | ||
| In Cuba, you don't fight, if you're 12, you don't fight a 17 year old. | ||
| You fight somebody who's your age. | ||
| They put you always with people that are your age. | ||
| They call it categories. | ||
| 11 to 12, just like that. | ||
| When you get to the highest level, you're gonna find people with different ages. | ||
| ...de diferentes ciudades. | ||
| And from different cities in Cuba. | ||
| In Cuba or all over? | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| In Cuba. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Listen. | ||
| When you get to the room... | ||
| ...puedes encontrarte... | ||
| ...personas... | ||
| ...de otra ciudad. | ||
| O sea, digamos, Camagüey, Havana, Matanzas... | ||
| You could find people from those cities that you're going to fight against in your own room. | ||
| But, but listen, but, they are of other pesos. | ||
| So, I am 184, I say 155. | ||
| You know? | ||
| Not all of the same weight. | ||
| Well, they put them there and they say, "Okay, they give you the key and they say, "You're going to sleep in this room." You understand? | ||
| They put you in that room, and they'll see, let's say, a room of five people. - In each room there will be five people. - You are from Pinatrio. | ||
| You're from Boston. | ||
| Boston, to Boston. | ||
| I'm from Miami. | ||
| He's from New Jersey. | ||
| In another room... | ||
| In the other room. | ||
| It's a fight guy too. | ||
| But one guy is my division. | ||
| But it's the same for you start. | ||
| You understand now? | ||
| For the same city. | ||
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Right. | |
| And now you're frank for him. | ||
| I am not careful. | ||
| Because when I stay in the room, you see everything. | ||
| Hey, you can tell him. | ||
| Hey, because maybe you're the friend. | ||
| You're the best in your division. | ||
| And your friend is the second best. | ||
| And he's his weight. | ||
| Yeah, so you guys get to talk. | ||
| So now you always have spies watching you. | ||
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For 15 years. | |
| When did you leave? | ||
| When did you leave? | ||
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2007. | |
| I went in 1995 and I left in 2007. | ||
| How did you leave? | ||
| How did you leave? | ||
| I go to the Grand Prix tournament, Grand Prix in Germany, in Leipzig City. | ||
| Leipzig City, Germany? | ||
| Yeah, thank you. | ||
| And for four months before I think about this decision. | ||
| I say, when I stay in Germany, I know to go back to Cuba. | ||
| I want to make it my dream, a new life. | ||
| What did you think you were going to do, though? | ||
| Did you think you were going to fight MMA back then? | ||
| Because there wasn't... | ||
| I want to try it. | ||
| I say, I want to do this. | ||
| I want to do this. | ||
| But you never know. | ||
| You never know what the life gives you, you know? | ||
| Right. | ||
| But that's what I want. | ||
| I say, the French, I make a wrestling because in Germany I have a Bundesliga. | ||
| Wrestling Bundesliga, you know? | ||
| What is that? | ||
| In Germany there's a Bundesliga for wrestling. | ||
| He knows Germany. | ||
| All the clubs will want to take him as soon as he gets to Germany. | ||
| So they'll offer sanctuary. | ||
| right the office sanctuary they're gonna pay him with his arms open he was broke right his Even though he wrestled, he wanted the MMA. He was telling me last night that he would watch those videos. | ||
| People would smuggle UFC fights into Cuba. | ||
| And it wasn't known it wasn't going to happen for him in Cuba. | ||
| It was never going to happen for him. | ||
| So he wanted to get into MMA. So when he went to Germany, he stayed. | ||
| And there was an MMA fight, and they wouldn't let him fight amateur. | ||
| Because he was in the Olympics. | ||
| So they threw him right into the wolves. | ||
| Like his first fight, he didn't even train. | ||
| It's very funny because you can see the first fight when I have it. | ||
| Man, do you see what I do? | ||
| When I find a guy, that's what happens. | ||
| Is it online? | ||
| Can we find the video? | ||
| Yeah, you can. | ||
| See if you can find the video. | ||
| And it's in Germany? | ||
| In Germany! | ||
| How long did you live in Germany for? | ||
| Six years. | ||
| Six years. | ||
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Wow. | |
| I make an uppercut like this. | ||
| Like this. | ||
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He didn't know what he was doing. | |
| Here it is. | ||
| Is this it? | ||
| No, not this. | ||
| That is like a tournament. | ||
| There's no idea. | ||
| That seems like jiu-jitsu. | ||
| That isn't one tournament. | ||
| Oh. | ||
| That is one tournament. | ||
| Is that MMA or jiu-jitsu? | ||
| No, MMA. That's MMA? Oh, it's MMA like on a big basketball court. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's what I think all MMA should be on. | ||
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Alright, find that. | |
| So when you had your first fight, you had no training? | ||
| Just your wrestling? | ||
| Wrestling. | ||
| But you knew how to box a little from being a kid. | ||
| Yeah, you know? | ||
| Right. | ||
| Every time in Cuba, because in Cuba's normals, you have gloves, the people say, okay, boxing! | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| A little bit in the street, you know? | ||
| Right, just fucking around. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| When you were in Cuba, you were thinking about the future. | ||
| You had this huge wrestling career. | ||
| You medaled in all these international competitions. | ||
| You were a tremendous fighter. | ||
| Yes, I think MMA. | ||
| No MMA. | ||
| UFC. | ||
| Here it is. | ||
| Is this it right here? | ||
| Yeah, look at it. | ||
| Wow, this is crazy. | ||
| Look at he throwing kicks, man. | ||
| And this is no training. | ||
| No, no, no, no. | ||
| Look at this. | ||
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Look at that. | |
| Wild. | ||
| You see? | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
| Those are wild uppercuts. | ||
| But still. | ||
| Throwing shots to the body. | ||
| Oh, they give a standing eight count? | ||
| What are they doing here? | ||
| Is that what that is? | ||
| This guy's got headgear on. | ||
| Interesting. | ||
| And what year was this? | ||
| 2000. Is that it? | ||
| That's it? | ||
| You beat him? | ||
| Yeah, he said, I don't want him more. | ||
| No, we're good. | ||
| Oh, they're going to let him back in there? | ||
| It's very funny because the coaches, he don't know nothing about boxing, nothing. | ||
| The coaches... | ||
| Son comicos. | ||
| Son unos comicos. | ||
| Oh, let's get comedians? | ||
| Comedians? | ||
| The coaches are comedians. | ||
| Oh, Jesus. | ||
| At the MMA fight. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's terrible. | ||
| So that was it. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| You punch him in the head a few times and they go, that's good. | ||
| We're good. | ||
| We're good. | ||
| He's very fine for me. | ||
| Does he keep going? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Oh, it goes again? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Okay, so he's trying here. | ||
| Boom. | ||
| Jesus Christ. | ||
| If you understand Spanish, the Cuban language, if you can hear the people, you're going to laugh. | ||
| Because there's Cubans there. | ||
| Is there a Cuban population in Germany? | ||
| Wow! | ||
| But the people didn't know anything, and the people were pure cubanos saying: "Despíngalo, ay, dale!" But nothing technical. | ||
| Nothing technical. | ||
| Right, okay, so is there a big... | ||
| Yeah, there's a big... | ||
| You know where else there's a lot of Cubans at, Joe? | ||
| Italy. | ||
| Yeah? | ||
| They all went to... | ||
| I met this Cuban guy and he goes, I'm never coming back to the States. | ||
| Italy's a lot better than this shithole. | ||
| They had good food, I was for sure. | ||
| You live in Italy? | ||
| He works at a restaurant, he was a waiter, they kind of understood the language. | ||
| He goes, a lot better than living here. | ||
| I go, really? | ||
| Really? | ||
| He went back and he couldn't get a job here. | ||
| What's going on with you and a passport? | ||
| Are you getting a passport? | ||
| I'm honest. | ||
| You're on it? | ||
| I'm on it, yeah. | ||
| You gotta go to Italy. | ||
| The guy did the paperwork and I gotta pay the 10G fine. | ||
| Yeah, that's it? | ||
| The 10G fine and that takes care of everything. | ||
| That was the root of all evil. | ||
| And it's always such a sad evil. | ||
| They didn't care about the conviction. | ||
| They just want the money. | ||
| They didn't care about the anger management classes. | ||
| Just give me the 10 G's and we'll rip up the warrant Fucking America fucking America so you you get to Germany in 2007 And did you find an MMA gym to start training once you had your first fight? | ||
| I was in a gym gym but there was no you know... | ||
| He went to a gym, but there was nothing. | ||
| There was no... | ||
| He would hit the sticks on the street and shit like that. | ||
| There was no MMA coaches at that time. | ||
| Not when he was there. | ||
| No, no, no, no. | ||
| Nothing. | ||
| He had a lot of popularity in Nuremberg. | ||
| So the word started getting out. | ||
| But it was more because of his wrestling. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And this club he was in was in the second division. | ||
| You know? | ||
| So he started training the fucking fighters. | ||
| And the club won. | ||
| And they got up to division one. | ||
| Once he started training. | ||
| Oh, so he started training wrestling. | ||
| Wrestling, yeah. | ||
| When they called him for his MMA fights, he said fuck it, I'll go down there. | ||
| So now he started getting a little bit more popularity in the city. | ||
| There was a tournament. | ||
| A little bit bigger, a bigger statue. | ||
| MMA. So the headliner got sick. | ||
| And they call him up. | ||
| They ask him if he want to fight with this guy, Sasha, from Australia. | ||
| Austria. Austria. Sasha Van Poet. | ||
| He was the champion of the world. | ||
| He had fought against Gustafson at this time. | ||
| He didn't know nothing about no Alex. | ||
| He'll fight the guy. | ||
| And he went and fought him and bought him. | ||
| And beat him. | ||
| It was his third fight. | ||
| These two fights that you guys see are not in his record. | ||
| The first fight on his record is Sasha, the guy. | ||
| He was eight and one or seven and one. | ||
| So he told him, you're going to fight with him. | ||
| He goes, okay, I'll fight with him. | ||
| With who then? | ||
| With Ginton? | ||
| He trained with a guy that was like a taekwondo dude that had done stuff, but not really. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| Sikki. | ||
| He's a Serbian. | ||
| After he beat Sasha the guy started helping him a little bit. | ||
| And he kept training on the streets and you know, running and resting. | ||
| Oh, in the woods he was. | ||
| He would train in the woods where you were hunting. | ||
| He would train in the woods hitting trees and shit like that. | ||
| So how did you make it to America? | ||
| Because I continued the fight. | ||
| I win, I win, I win. | ||
| I contract with Stryfos. | ||
| From Germany, so you're living in Germany. | ||
| Yeah, I live in Germany. | ||
| It was too hard for him to find fights. | ||
| When he fought, that dude won. | ||
| He should have lost that fight, but since he won, now it was tough to get competition. | ||
| People thought he should have lost. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Yeah, after he realized what he had done, that he had fought Sasha, he realized Sasha had fought against some good competitors. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| I'm not sure if Sacha fought with Gustafson or they had a player in common. | ||
| He fought either Alex or one of Alex's friends. | ||
| He didn't know for sure. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| And I don't know if Alexander Gustafson lost with what he won. | ||
| I mean... | ||
| Right. | ||
| He doesn't know if Alex lost to the guy or something. | ||
| Something happened. | ||
| Almost. | ||
| And then he almost fought Alexander Gustafson. | ||
| Because he was fighting at 205. Who is the guy from French? | ||
| The black guy? | ||
| No. | ||
| The other guy. | ||
| The big guy. | ||
| A French guy. | ||
| Come on. | ||
| Mia knocked him out. | ||
| UFC guy. | ||
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He fought in the UFC. Who knocked him out? | |
| Mir knocked him out, I think. | ||
| Frank Mir? | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
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He's 205. No, no, he's 205. Chuck Kongo! | |
| No, no, no. | ||
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Another guy. | |
| Oh, another guy. | ||
| No, Chuck Kongo is heavyweight. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| 205. He's like me, like me. | ||
| Mm-hmm. | ||
| Mm-hmm. | ||
| Huh. | ||
| From France. | ||
| See, from France. | ||
| Almost fight with his two. | ||
| Almost. | ||
| Okay, trying to figure out who that would be. | ||
| In this time, 2009, he's the number two in Europe, and the number one is Alexander. | ||
| Yeah, he didn't have no, he had nobody even, they were just giving him these fights. | ||
| So you signed with Strikeforce, and then how do you get to the United States? | ||
| United States. | ||
| Well, I had some managers. | ||
| I didn't have the managers I have now. | ||
| I was with another company. | ||
| And then they told me, Yoel, Strikeforce won to you, but you need to fight Rafael Fejao. | ||
| If you win, you go to the belt and fight Henderson. | ||
| Because Henderson beat Raphael Feijal. | ||
| I said, okay, good. | ||
| I said, thank God I don't beat Raphael Feijal. | ||
| I don't have an experience with these people. | ||
| High level. | ||
| I don't have an experience. | ||
| Feijal was very good at the time too. | ||
| Yeah Yeah He knocked out King Mo Yeah Maybe he knocked out King Mo after I think Yeah But he had that same level Like he was A lot of people forgot about Faye Zhao Faye Zhao at one point in time Was one of the best in the world Yeah Yeah Yeah Yo pelea con Faye Zhao He had lost the belt with Henderson for two months. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Okay, I don't remember all that stuff. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| He beat Kimo, Kimo beat Musazi. | ||
| Feijal beat Kimo, and Henderson beat Feijal. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And so, that was your first fight in Strikeforce? | ||
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| You lost that fight? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And that was your first loss as a fighter? | ||
| What was that like No, no man normal normal because because I say When you finish the fight But coming on the board He said he went up to the hotel and he went for a walk. | ||
| His managers were looking at him. | ||
| He was smiling. | ||
| This man's just like, why are you smiling? | ||
| And I say, because I see the I see the on a leo on a un grand campeon He was just close from fighting the beating a grand champion Sin entrenar Without training, right? | ||
| You know? | ||
| Now he saw a positive. | ||
| He said, when he trains for real, he'll be the fucking champion. | ||
| That's how a champion thinks. | ||
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| Yeah. | ||
| So this was, what was that, 2008, 2009, somewhere around then? | ||
| What year was that? | ||
| I think it was... | ||
| 9 or 10. 9 or 10. So where were you training at the time? | ||
| When you came to America. | ||
| Where did you come to America? | ||
| America Top Team. | ||
| That's the way to go. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He moved to Miami. | ||
| Easy fit. | ||
| A lot of Cubans. | ||
| That must be nice, right? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| I love it. | ||
| I love it because I can... | ||
| He sees a lot of kids from his childhood. | ||
| Many people. | ||
| Many. | ||
| A lot of people from Cuba lived in Miami. | ||
| From all over. | ||
| And many people from different stages, older than me, of my age, and younger than me, are in Miami. | ||
| If you're from Cuba, they accept you here immediately. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| See, it's easier, right? | ||
| It's very easy. | ||
| Yeah, whereas like Mexico, it's very hard. | ||
| It's very hard. | ||
| Yeah, if someone wants to be a citizen from Mexico. | ||
| That's tougher for the Mexicans. | ||
| It's almost like they're encouraging Cubans to leave. | ||
| Well, yeah, and then remember, didn't Obama, before he left, he put the no tap rule. | ||
| Remember, as a punishment for fucking Clinton not winning, he fucking Obama, that's why Cubans got pissed off at Obama, because he signed the rule again that you don't have to touch the beach. | ||
| Remember that shit they had? | ||
| What was the rule? | ||
| I don't know what the fucking thing was. | ||
| If you touch the beach, then you're in? | ||
| You're in. | ||
| Where Haitians don't have that. | ||
| Haitians, they fuckin' yank them. | ||
| But all the Cuban has to do is touch the beach, it's like fuckin' playing tag. | ||
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| A lot of people escaped from Cuba, man. | ||
| They died. | ||
| That's a hard fucking journey, man. | ||
| Ninety miles on a boat. | ||
| Ninety miles on a boat, and they do it. | ||
| I got it to a science. | ||
| If you speak to those people, they leave at a certain tide. | ||
| They bring enough saltine crackers. | ||
| I mean they got fucking things that you never even heard of. | ||
| Todos los exodos, sorry. | ||
| Todos los exodos de cada país, de cada población son duras. | ||
| Son duras, son lamentablemente catastróficos. | ||
| Tienen muchas tragedias, tienen muchas historias que son avergonzosas, son muy dolorosas. | ||
| Yeah, that the stories are horrible of them leaving, you know, it's just fucking night. | ||
| La historia de los judíos es dura. | ||
| Pero si tú miras la historia de los pueblos caucáusicos también. | ||
| Cuando tú miras la historia de los chinos también. | ||
| Cuando ves la historia del exodos de nosotros los cubanos. | ||
| Desde los 80, de los Peter Pan. | ||
| What's Peter Pan? | ||
| What's Peter Pan? | ||
| We're talking about the different exoduses that you talk about like the pain that all the races had the Chinese and all that but one of the big struggles is that Cuban one that they they leave and like he left the Sun in Cuba his parents are in Cuba But then again, that's the story of the immigrant. | ||
| Your grandfather left his brother in Cuba, in Sicily, to make it better, to send checks. | ||
| That's their plan. | ||
| You're going to go there, send us checks until his family lives well in Cuba because of his success. | ||
| So you can send money back to Cuba? | ||
| If you send $10, they give you $8. | ||
| If you send $100, they'll give them $80. | ||
| So they take a little piece. | ||
| He met Fidel, by the way. | ||
| Really? | ||
| You met Fidel? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| The way you're sitting next to me. | ||
| Was that weird? | ||
| No, you know, I've always had two people as a figure. | ||
| For example, one is Jesus, God, and the other is my father. | ||
| He's had two heroes in his life, God and his father. | ||
| When he sees a human being, he sees a human being. | ||
| He treats him like a human being. | ||
| God gives talent to people. | ||
| Like Matt Brown said, they're very talented. | ||
| He celebrates the talent of the human being, the human spirit. | ||
| But he sees everybody like a human being, you know. | ||
| So you just saw Fidel as a human being. | ||
| Fidel as a human being. | ||
| He was the president of this country, you know? | ||
| Now, being in America, you've been here for a few years now, are you completely settled in? | ||
| You love it here? | ||
| You're staying here? | ||
| This is your spot now. | ||
| Now that we're in the United States, you're going to stay here. | ||
| You love this. | ||
| This is all yours. | ||
| No, I'm not going to stay here. | ||
| No, not at least standing. | ||
| He's already fucking stayed. | ||
| He's already here. | ||
| He's here to stay. | ||
| I hear you, man. | ||
| I say thank you, God, for giving me the opportunity. | ||
| My life is here in the United States, you know. | ||
| What's the difference? | ||
| How does it feel different here? | ||
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Just freedom? | |
| Yeah. | ||
| Do whatever you want? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| You have a future. | ||
| Your family have a future. | ||
| You know what I'm saying? | ||
| When you have an exodus in your family, when you have an exodus in your country, it's very hard and it's very You have emotion every day when you see the exodus and your country and your people. | ||
| You have the possibilities of getting here. | ||
| You see this exodus and you see... | ||
| We didn't see it. | ||
| We don't know what Grandpa Rogan did. | ||
| I don't know what fucking Grandpa Rogan did. | ||
| I don't know why Grandpa Rogan left. | ||
| You know what I'm saying? | ||
| We all went through this at one point. | ||
| Someone went through this. | ||
| Many people, Joe, lose their life... | ||
| ...intentando esto. | ||
| Llegar a esto. | ||
| A lot of people lose their life... | ||
| ...trying. | ||
| Trying to get here. | ||
| I say... | ||
| ...y porque yo lo haya logrado... | ||
| No olvido esto. | ||
| Because he completed that mission. | ||
| He'll never forget that, you know. | ||
| De que tuve la posibilidad de no pasar ese éxodo de travesía por el mar. | ||
| No tuve el éxodo de la travesía de pasar países fronteras y fronteras. | ||
| He was lucky that he didn't have to do that raft to go like the pitcher from the Yankees that had to go to the Dominican Republic and had to smuggle them out to some other, like Colombia, and then the Yankees had to sign them and that's the only way Steinbrenner showed up with an envelope and nobody knows nothing. | ||
| He's happy that he went to Germany and he had a plan, you know. | ||
| But you know what? | ||
| He says he sits with a lot of people listening to their stories. | ||
| Listen, that is four days before. | ||
| people. | ||
| He went to a Walmart by his house. | ||
| Maybe the guy is listening to this right now. | ||
| He went to buy food for his dogs and for his rabbits. | ||
| When he comes out, he sees something not normal. | ||
| A guy and a couple walked in to the Walmart. | ||
| They were arguing. | ||
| He's putting the shit in the trunk. | ||
| I hear that the accent is "cubano". | ||
| He hears the Cuban accent. | ||
| They had some problem. | ||
| So he stays so the problem doesn't escalate. | ||
| Okay? | ||
| Gracias a Dios no pasó nada. | ||
| The girl, she went off the car, closed the car, she went. | ||
| I sat in the car and she was in her car, which was at the side of mine, like this. | ||
| The car for the woman here, my car is here, and the car for the guy is here. | ||
| She went and she sat in front of the car. | ||
| She sat there. | ||
| So the chick de-escalated, the chick left, and the guy sat next to him, the car next to him. | ||
| I sat in my car. | ||
| He gets in his car, just closes the door. | ||
| He's all angry, the guy next to the fucking thing. | ||
| He blows his window. | ||
| He tells the guy to breathe and let it go. | ||
| No, no, no, no. | ||
| ¿Cómo fue que le dije? | ||
| No vale la pena. | ||
| It's not worth the fucking anguish. | ||
| he's coming to me he's coming to me he's coming to me and the guy got out of the car and started telling the story of what had happened resumidas cuentas He had been here for a year in the States. | ||
| He wanted to tell him what happened to him. | ||
| He came from Colombia and the guy had to keep him down to come to the United States. | ||
| He saw two weeks earlier he had seen one of his friends. | ||
| that he had been in the journey with him from Cuba to Colombia and the whole thing. | ||
| So he was telling me that that same guy got separated from his wife. | ||
| You know why? | ||
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Why? | |
| Because he couldn't look at his wife's face. | ||
| She slept with 12 men in Colombia. | ||
| And he couldn't do anything. | ||
| That was part of the journey to get to the United States. | ||
| Oh, she had to do that in order to get over. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| This is exodo. | ||
| And that's one of like the minimal stories, you know? | ||
| Because, I don't know if you know, in Cuba they go out, let's say, we're family, you go today and the next week I go, like this. | ||
| In Cuba, one week you leave, like me or your brothers, you take off one week, and then my plan is to take off a week behind you. | ||
| But we don't have no communication after you leave. | ||
| Because you have to go through the jungle. | ||
| Colombia... | ||
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Ecuador... | |
| Ecuador... | ||
| Y se han encontrado... | ||
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Hermanos... | |
| When they crossed the border in the desert, it's horrible. | ||
| The belongings and the corpse of their family had been out of the past. | ||
| That the brothers have found on the journey through the jungles of Colombia, they found their brothers Caucasus, like eaten by a lion or whatever. | ||
| The corpses. | ||
| Yeah, the corpses. | ||
| And you have to look, cry, and keep going to get to the United States. | ||
| Jesus Christ. | ||
| It's hard, Exodus. | ||
| That's why I always say, God, thank you for you giving me the opportunity. | ||
| It's very easy. | ||
| It's not easy, but it's very easy when you look around you, the life of others. | ||
| I don't think anybody who was born here will ever appreciate it like someone who comes here from somewhere else. | ||
| Everybody in this fucking room started coming over on a journey. | ||
| Somebody did. | ||
| Some in your background. | ||
| Somebody did what they did. | ||
| How many generations are you here, man? | ||
| My great-grandfather from one side came from Ireland. | ||
| I've seen like the paperwork and I think the other from Scotland and something like that. | ||
| I mean, this is what drives me the most crazy about all the anti-immigration shit in America today. | ||
| This is whole country. | ||
| It's made out of immigrants. | ||
| The whole country. | ||
| Even Native Americans. | ||
| Even Native Americans. | ||
| They walked over here thousands of years ago. | ||
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Everyone came from somewhere. | |
| Everyone. | ||
| Have you done the 23andMe or anything? | ||
| No, I need to do that. | ||
| You know, it's so stupid how... | ||
| A lot of people knock it, but when I read mine, I looked into it for a few days. | ||
| And you learn about history. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, I have a little Chinese. | ||
| Really? | ||
| You had Chinese in you? | ||
| Yeah, because... | ||
| Did you have any idea you had Chinese in you? | ||
| No, Chinese, because the Chinese made the first real thing. | ||
| They found chickens in San Francisco that had that DNA from that Chinese. | ||
| It's very... | ||
| The worst thing you could do if you smoked pot is spit in a bottle and get the report back. | ||
| That is a fucking nightmare once you realize who you are. | ||
| Who are you? | ||
| It really messes with you for a couple of days. | ||
| I was Russian Jew. | ||
| I was Western African. | ||
| Western African? | ||
| Western African, which I always knew I'm Cuban. | ||
| When you're Cuban, you're African. | ||
| When you see a Cuban, it's a black dude that speaks Spanish. | ||
| They're just black dudes that speak Spanish. | ||
| They're Africans. | ||
| So I knew that there was African blood. | ||
| And the top, it's not Spain. | ||
| They call it something else. | ||
| It's Spain and something else up there. | ||
| So they went all the way around. | ||
| And the last little bit is Russian Jew. | ||
| Like 2%. | ||
| God knows where you got that from. | ||
| But here's the problem. | ||
| If you're Native American, it can't give you an answer. | ||
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Iberian. | |
| Iberian. | ||
| That's where we're really from. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Powerful, Jamie. | ||
| But if you're American Indian with that thing, they can't. | ||
| Like my wife's American Indian. | ||
| I see her grandmother. | ||
| I saw her grandfather, bro. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| They're fucking Indians. | ||
| Okay? | ||
| The mother got the awful lip. | ||
| That's where Terry gets the Indian fucking lip from. | ||
| Doesn't read it. | ||
| It doesn't read if you're Indian unless you're a couple of generations back. | ||
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It doesn't read the Native American? | |
| No, it doesn't read it unless you're three or four generations. | ||
| Something kinky. | ||
| You've got to ask my wife. | ||
| That's why she don't buy into it. | ||
| Because it didn't tell her she was American Indian, but the sister did. | ||
| So it's kind of fucking weird how the sister had a little bit more. | ||
| My wife still had it, but not as much. | ||
| More of her Irish came up. | ||
| That's interesting. | ||
| Last night we were playing to get this fucking savage fired up. | ||
| You gotta play the old school Cuban music. | ||
| I told him this is what he needs to play before he fights. | ||
| You should have seen him. | ||
| You should have fucking seen him, man. | ||
| And he was explaining to Lee and his manager that if you know anything about Cuba, it was a slave market. | ||
| It was a fucking slave market. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, that's where they bought them. | ||
| That's where the white people went and saw a sex show while they were there and took a couple of slaves back to them to Alabama or wherever the fuck they were from. | ||
| That's the reality of it. | ||
| Wow. | ||
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| Crazy. | ||
| It's beautiful to be here now though, huh? | ||
| You're happy here? | ||
| Yes, of course. | ||
| That's why I say... | ||
| - - And not just that to be here, but to also be doing what he wants to do. | ||
| You know, for people who don't know, and I know Joe, there's a documentary called Something Brothers. | ||
| It's about the two Cubans, the Levon Fernandez brothers. | ||
| Levon and Duque. | ||
| Come on, guy. | ||
| One guy comes first and wins the World Series. | ||
| And the other brother got blackballed in Cuba. | ||
| They threw eggs at his house. | ||
| Fidel wouldn't let him play baseball no more. | ||
| What's the name of the documentary? | ||
| Brothers in Arms or something. | ||
| Jesus Christ, Joe Rogan. | ||
| And then they threw eggs at him. | ||
| They wouldn't even let him. | ||
| He had to play on the field. | ||
| He had to play like how he boxed. | ||
| Orlando Duque and Ivan Hernandez. | ||
| And then that motherfucker came, left his wife and daughter. | ||
| Oh shit, Joe Rogan! | ||
| And then this motherfucker goes up to New York and tears him up in New York like fucking one World Series. | ||
| And then at the end, he fucking wins in San Diego, but he can't get his daughters and his wife up here. | ||
| So they got some reporter in Washington to call a fucking cardinal and fly to Cuba that night. | ||
| And they flew to Cuba that night, and Fidel was watching the fucking Yankee game, Jack. | ||
| And the Cardinal gave them a note, and there was a note from El Duque saying, please let my wife and daughter go. | ||
| Put them on a fucking plane, fucking ticket-tape parade. | ||
| The wife at the end goes, listen, I'm in New York on a fucking float. | ||
| They just won, and I see all these people throwing toilet paper. | ||
| I started grabbing it, because in Cuba, you had to fight for a fucking roll of toilet paper. | ||
| She goes, "Here they are throwing toilet paper at the parade." And her natural instinct was to grab the toilet paper. | ||
| Because the woman of Le'Vean Fernandez, when I was a Yankee, she said that they were in Nueva York and they were trying to get the toilet paper. | ||
| And I said, "Oye!" And then she started to "javam" because they said that in Cuba, there was no toilet paper. | ||
| You understand? | ||
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That's fucking crazy, Joe. | |
| That is crazy. | ||
| But I feel like no one appreciates America more than someone who was born somewhere else, where they're suppressed, where it's hard, and then they come over here. | ||
| I think too many of us take this for granted. | ||
| Every fucking day I see it and it drives me fucking crazy, man. | ||
| I see it and it drives me crazy. | ||
| And we complain more, and we keep getting more immigrants, and these immigrants, well, they're taking our jobs. | ||
| No, they're fucking hustling. | ||
| Yeah, they're hustling. | ||
| They have no choice. | ||
| This is the whole thing the country's founded on. | ||
| They drive an Uber 16 hours a day. | ||
| You don't fathom. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I know kids there that go to college and can't imagine they've got to work five days a week. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| We work seven days a week. | ||
| It's in our fucking DNA. That's, you know... | ||
| And happy to be here. | ||
| And happy to fucking be here. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Now, when you were in Cuba, the work ethic, with the wrestling and being on the, I mean, that, the intense amount of work, that must translate very well into MMA training. | ||
| Do you think that MMA training is as hard as wrestling training? | ||
| Like when you were back in Cuba Discipline Discipline Discipline | ||
| You know... | ||
| For sure. | ||
| The process for the training in Kyiv, of course, helped me a lot in my career in MMA. Yeah, must have helped. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| Yeah Yeah You ask me about this more What's more difficult? | ||
| Yeah I don't know you because I Because... | ||
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You can... | |
| If you see, the training is the same. | ||
| The training for the sport is the same. | ||
| Believe me. | ||
| Because you can... | ||
| You could do the training from MMA to wrestle. | ||
| And you could do the training from wrestling for MMA. The value is how you use your energy and the two different sets of activity, whatever. | ||
| So it's different energy for wrestling, how you impose your energy in wrestling and the energy that you have to have for MMA. Now, when you were in Cuba and you were training wrestling, how much time do they spend working on strength and conditioning and how much time on skill? | ||
| When I was in Cuba, how many hours I was lifting weights and doing exercises and how many hours I was fighting? | ||
| The training is dependent on where you are... | ||
| Where your goal is at. | ||
| That's where the training is at. | ||
| When you go to train, it's not how many hours is where you want your focus to go. | ||
| Because the system for the training is... | ||
| The system to train is based on where your goal is. | ||
| So that's where you start to work. | ||
| For example, when you train, it's done with a long-term system. | ||
| When you train in Cuba, it's with a long-range goal. | ||
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I don't know. | |
| You have to have... | ||
| The main goal is the national championship championship. | ||
| So, your goal is the national championship. | ||
| And now you need to see how you're training for this competition. | ||
| How many? | ||
| It's a four-year? | ||
| It's a four-year program. | ||
| It's a four-year program. | ||
| To get to the lowest to the lowest to the highest level. | ||
| To get to the lowest to the highest level. | ||
| In the whole world. | ||
| In the whole world Why is it four years? | ||
| The Olympic Games. | ||
| You see? | ||
| Every four years. | ||
| Sometimes the people work about this, not about this. | ||
| This is the first year. | ||
| That's the first year. | ||
| That's the second year, that's the third year, that's the fourth year. | ||
| They don't win the first three. | ||
| What championship? | ||
| Or the championship. | ||
| Because training about it for this. | ||
| For the Olympic Games. | ||
| For the Olympic Games. | ||
| You understand? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And in Cuba, that's why he told, he stressed that it's through ages, through categories. | ||
| You can't prepare a child of 12 years for Olympic games because they don't have Olympic games. | ||
| You can't prepare a 12 year old for Olympic Games because there's no Olympic Games. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But you're going to prepare him for the national championship of his category. | ||
| You understand? | ||
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| You're going to use the same science kind of. | ||
| mentality methodology no mentality methodology no se desigues compadre oh ok what is that I don't fucking know. | ||
| He's a genius, this guy. | ||
| But it's the same way. | ||
| So you're saying not just mentality, but something else. | ||
| It's a methodology. | ||
| I don't know what that means. | ||
| Methodology. | ||
| Mythology. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| I don't know English. | ||
| Depending on the age and the goal. | ||
| When you were 18, how many hours a day At 18 you start lifting weights. | ||
| 16 to 17. No, no young kids lift weights in Cuba. | ||
| That's smart. | ||
| And when they have you lifting weights, what kind of weight lifting? | ||
| Like Olympic style? | ||
| Powerlifting? | ||
| Dependiendo. | ||
| Haces de todas. | ||
| Haces todas y dependiendo la etapa. | ||
| Porque se diferencian etapas. | ||
| La etapa general, es la etapa cuando empiezas las tres, digamos las... | ||
| So that's when you start for six weeks. | ||
| What are you asking? | ||
| I said... | ||
| Etapa is general. | ||
| This is the general orientation. | ||
| With large weights. | ||
| - But a peso with a large amount of weights. - Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, attention. | ||
| First they test you. | ||
| They test your strength. | ||
| My weight. | ||
| You can't lift what I can lift. | ||
| You understand? | ||
| We're the same age but different weights. | ||
| They give me a try out. | ||
| Bench presses. | ||
| Based on the weight that I lift my max, like anything else, that's where they start working with me. | ||
| Siempre hay una referencia. | ||
| Tienen como referencia, digamos, los niños de, digamos, un ejemplo, example. | ||
| Niños de 18 years, heavyweight, los heavyweights. | ||
| 18 year old heavyweights. | ||
| Okay, digamos que levantan, un ejemplo. - I don't. | ||
| 100 pounds on a bench press. | ||
| but these trainers that they have are fucking top notch you know they have a idea more or less of how many they lift the heavy weights understand they have a idea of how many when a complete weight is good in force and when it is bad in force so they know when you're up in weight when you're down in weight they know everything about you because they've been doing it So they base you off that weight. | ||
| You do that thing 100 pounds, now they base you off that weight if you're heavyweight. | ||
| Do you still follow that system now when you train for MMA? Like how do you decide you do? | ||
| Because you still obviously have a lot of muscle. | ||
| You're obviously still doing some strength and conditioning work. | ||
| And what is what you do? | ||
| What kind of movement? | ||
| - - - - - - - - Okay, I saw that in the Countdown fight, before the Rockhold fight. | ||
| You were training at a Taekwondo school. | ||
| So he was doing that in Cuba. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Ah, interesting. | ||
| So he knows the system. | ||
| He comes from that system. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| When he started training with him, he changed everything. | ||
| You have this age. | ||
| You have this age. | ||
| Let's work this way. - You know, the guy had already been known for working with older elite athletes, We've always joked around about Teofilo Stevenson. | ||
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Could have been one of the best professional boxers ever. | |
| He was fucking 50. They don't have fucking birth certificates. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| So nobody fucking knows! | ||
| That's so crazy. | ||
| They're the geniuses of taking a 40-year-old. | ||
| That's why he switched with this guy. | ||
| Well, Luis Ortiz, the guy who fought Deontay Wilder this past weekend, they're saying, like, no one knows how old he is. | ||
| 40, 41. At least. | ||
| Yeah, at least. | ||
| So they have a system. | ||
| Ortiz de Meda. | ||
| Oh, you know him? | ||
| Yeah, for sure. | ||
| Oh, so 41, for sure. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| You knew Ortiz in Cuba? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Oh, okay, that makes sense. | ||
| In the Olympic Center. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| In the same Olympic Center. | ||
| Because everybody was wondering, like, you know, maybe he's older than he says. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Minimum 39. Minimum 39. But no way Teofilo tenía 37 al último, compadre. | ||
| I'm telling you, no say. | ||
| They don't say nothing. | ||
| But see, a thing like Teofilo Stevenson, for a lot of us that are boxing fans, we're always disappointed. | ||
| He never got to leave Cuba. | ||
| We wanted to see him fight Ali. | ||
| We wanted to see him fight Frazier. | ||
| We wanted to see him fight the best of the best in the professional league. | ||
| He's a... | ||
| You know... | ||
| Ali is another level. | ||
| He was another level? | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| He was on another level. | ||
| Yeah, Ali was on another level, yeah. | ||
| He certainly was at one point in time, you know? | ||
| He doesn't think Teofilo would have beat Ali. | ||
| Been interesting to watch. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Teófilo, everybody knows Teófilo. | ||
| His father was a boxer with Teófilo. | ||
| Teófilo era un poco más, un poco no, era un poco, bastante lento para él. | ||
| He was fast. | ||
| Ali was way faster than he was. | ||
| Very fast, very fast. | ||
| I don't think Teofilo could... | ||
| I don't think. | ||
| Now, Teofilo had the very heavy hands. | ||
| He did send a Teofilo with heavy fucking hands. | ||
| If he hit him... | ||
| Big trouble, you know? | ||
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Yeah, but... | |
| He moved like a butterfly. | ||
| Moved like a butterfly. | ||
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He certainly did. | |
| Now you, at 41, you look better than ever. | ||
| Thank you, God. | ||
| It's crazy, man. | ||
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Thank you. | |
| I mean, it must be a combination of everything. | ||
| It must be a combination of eating right, rest, working out hard, genetics. | ||
| I mean, you got a great role. | ||
| I mean, at 41, a lot of guys are on the downslide. | ||
| But if you're not. | ||
| Sobre todas las cosas. | ||
| Regardless of what's going on. | ||
| No puedo dejar de decirlo ni de mencionarlo. | ||
| Tiene que estar la mano de Dios en esto. | ||
| He can't say without... | ||
| He can't do this podcast without telling him that the reason why he looks so good and he's healthy is the hand that God got him That's because Because You're gonna be my summer Yo, I'm being my sombrough the come look that he's even in shock that how he looks and How he feels. | ||
| Not only physically. | ||
| When the coach, this coach, when he does his tests, the coach tests him on certain levels, he stays freaked out. | ||
| Like he can't believe he's still What are you saying? | ||
| I said that on the countdown, I saw the Taekwondo guy throwing little fucking sticks at him, you know, the things. | ||
| The foam sticks. | ||
| The foam sticks, and I saw him picking up the ties, but I never really saw him sparring or wrestling. | ||
| But, because... | ||
| Because he can't be talking too much. | ||
| Because I make the wrestling in Cuba. | ||
| I make wrestling in Cuba. | ||
| Okay, so he wrestles in Cuba. | ||
| You know, the national team. | ||
| with the national team. | ||
| Listen, por eso te digo, por eso que tú no me pudiste ver a mí haciendo la lucha. | ||
| That's why I couldn't, he didn't want me to see him, you, wrestling. | ||
| You know, estuve en Cuba y hice lucha con el subcampeón olímpico de ahora, So he went back to Cuba to train with the guy that's the world champion now from Cuba. | ||
| You went back to Cuba? | ||
| Yeah, he goes to Cuba to train. | ||
| You go back now? | ||
| You can go back and forth? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Well, I didn't know that. | ||
| Yeah, I can. | ||
| Thank God I can. | ||
| Wow, is this a new thing? | ||
| Is this recent? | ||
| You can go back there? | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| What happened? | ||
| After the fight with Whitaker, Cuba gave me the passport. | ||
| Cuba gave me the passport. | ||
| Wow! | ||
| You know, I training in Cuba. | ||
| I go training in Miami. | ||
| Sorry? | ||
| And training in Cuba too with my father. | ||
| Oh, wow. | ||
| That must be nice. | ||
| So you can see your son too? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Can you bring him back to America? | ||
| That's different. | ||
| That's different because he has his mom in Cuba, you know. | ||
| His mom stays in Cuba. | ||
| He's in school. | ||
| But I want to do, when he stays in spring break, he can come with me. | ||
| Stay for a few months? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That would be nice. | ||
| So that must benefit you tremendously to go and train with the Cuban team. | ||
| Yeah, I trained with the silver medal in the last Olympic game. | ||
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Who is the last Olympic game? | |
| What was the last Olympic Games? | ||
| This last one that they wrestled? | ||
| Well, the last one was winter. | ||
| It just happened. | ||
| So it would have been two years ago? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Was it Rio? | ||
| Rio, right? | ||
| Rio. | ||
| Rio is the last Olympic Games, right? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| And Rio. | ||
| This guy is a silver medal in Rio. | ||
| He's 97 kilos. | ||
| He's a big guy. | ||
| 97 kilos. | ||
| Yeah, 97 kilos. | ||
| What is that, like 220? | ||
| Yeah, 220. I make a racing with him. | ||
| Hey, one-on-one. | ||
| Tough. | ||
| Yeah, one-on-one. | ||
| I don't lose. | ||
| I one-on-one. | ||
| Oh, so you're a one-on-one. | ||
| Yeah, one-on-one. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| And Greco Roma. | ||
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Greco Roma. | |
| No freestyling. | ||
| Greco Roma. | ||
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Wow. | |
| Then I say, hey, I have 40 years. | ||
| This guy has 26. He feels good. | ||
| So what is your secret to maintaining all this physical strength and endurance at this age, at 41? | ||
| Do you think it's just genetics, just luck, just God? | ||
| I think it's God... | ||
| Smart training too though No, también, no, no, no For sure too, for sure too I can't do what he did 20 years ago What people say about you is imagine if you were in the UFC at 25 or at 30 That's what everybody says. | ||
| Like imagine if Yoel Romero was in the UFC when he was 25. | ||
| Holy shit. | ||
| If you were in the UFC at the 30 years, imagine what happens to people. | ||
| Holy shit. | ||
| You know, I can't talk about myself. | ||
| He can't talk about himself, he says. | ||
| Right, of course. | ||
| We'll talk about it for you. | ||
| Yeah, you were a motherfucker. | ||
| Mucha gente, many people for the Olympic Center, in the Olympic Center. | ||
| That's the coach for wrestling. | ||
| I love this guy. | ||
| He pushed me. | ||
| What was his name? | ||
| Feliberto Delgado. | ||
| I love this guy because He took the best out of him. | ||
| He knew. | ||
| He knew taking out the best me out. | ||
| You understand? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| When I training, when I computer, he see me like this. | ||
| Exactly like this. | ||
| You remember when you come here son? | ||
| You remember this day? | ||
| He said yes. | ||
| He said go. | ||
| Well fire you up. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because that is very, many people you know this history in Cuba. | ||
| He was a little crazy. | ||
| When he was younger. | ||
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He was real crazy when he was younger. | |
| And he made a decision. | ||
| And he took a path. | ||
| He doesn't want what happened to his friends. | ||
| He wants to be this. | ||
| His uncle Lazaro and his father Pablo told him you've seen what's going on around you. | ||
| Is this what you want? | ||
| Or do you want to be this? | ||
| You're in the middle but you're doing both things. | ||
| You have to make a choice. | ||
| This is going on, what's happening? | ||
| And you're seeing that they never end right. | ||
| If you chose this path, you're going to have a final ending, a great ending. | ||
| decide, but you can't do both. | ||
| All right, I took the decision and I went to La Habana. | ||
| I lived in Pinar del Rio and I went to the capital of the country. | ||
| So he was living in Pinar del Rio, but he fled to Havana. | ||
| But remember, the pyramids. | ||
| The pyramids? | ||
| You need to win the championship, national championship, to pass to the SPA. So you have to win the national championships to go to the higher level, the ESPA. The coaches are taking you right from the schools. | ||
| For your talent. | ||
| And they put you in the special school, the most lower level. | ||
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In the basement. | |
| Alright. | ||
| You need to win You need to win the Florida Championships to get to the next level. | ||
| Because the EIDE is the main school of all the Floridas. | ||
| They do? | ||
| Yes! | ||
| So what does he say? | ||
| Aida. | ||
| Aida. | ||
| Listen. | ||
| The pyramid. | ||
| Yeah, the pyramid. | ||
| Florida, right? | ||
| Right. | ||
| Florida had a school. | ||
| One school Florida has. | ||
| That's the second level. | ||
| But California also has an ID. They have an ID too. | ||
| Do you understand? | ||
| It's in all over the country. | ||
| Yes, it has an ID. Florida has an ID. California has an ID. I'm not exactly sure what he said. | ||
| Me neither. | ||
| I don't understand that either. | ||
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It's a school. | |
| How do you spell it? | ||
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How do you write it? | |
| Okay, like this. | ||
| Significa, Escuela Superior de Deporte. | ||
| Superior School of Sports. | ||
| Of Sports, yes. | ||
| Is that what it is? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Academia. | ||
| So what is he saying? | ||
| Each state has a superior school. | ||
| I think that's what he's saying. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Aca. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| In California, we have one ACA. The people want to, all the Californians want to stay ACA, but you need to beat it. | ||
| The California Championship. | ||
| You understand? | ||
| So you beat it, so you win, and now California, the ACA and California taking you because you are the best in California. | ||
| You understand now? | ||
| I see what you're saying. | ||
| That's in Florida. | ||
| In Florida, I haven't won ACA too. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Chicago or Washington. | ||
| And Washington has one ACA. But this ACA is the best level. | ||
| You understand? | ||
| This is an ESPA. When you beat everybody, now the junior national team is in Washington. | ||
| It's ACA too. | ||
| Taking the best guy, union, in the whole country. | ||
| You understand now? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| But in Washington, too, have ACA, but the senior. | ||
| It's a senior national team. | ||
| Okay, senior national team. | ||
| Yeah, that's it. | ||
| And when I go, when I stay in Aiden, You need to beat the kids that are 10 to 12 years. | ||
| In all of Cuba. | ||
| The junior national team takes you. | ||
| Then they take you. | ||
| The junior national team takes you to Havana. | ||
| You understand? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| But, I never won a junior national team. | ||
| He never won. | ||
| The 20-year-old. | ||
| He always came in second or third. | ||
| Never win. | ||
| Never. | ||
| He participated in five of them. | ||
| He never won. | ||
| Because he wasn't living his life correctly. | ||
| I see what you're saying. | ||
| So when your coach was telling you you're taking the wrong path, you saw the results? | ||
| That you weren't winning? | ||
| I go to Havana. | ||
| But remember, you need to beat it. | ||
| The Cuban national team. | ||
| I never beat it. | ||
| When I go, everybody knows this is history. | ||
| I go, I say to my daddy, I go to Havana. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| You need to train here in Pena del Rio. | ||
| You need to beat it in Cuba, everybody, everyone, and now the coach in Havana taking you. | ||
| You can't go. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So now I go. | ||
| This is not me saying. | ||
| When you go, the people say, who are you? | ||
| Right. | ||
| Get out of here. | ||
| You know? | ||
| So he went to Havana without winning. | ||
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Right. | |
| Solo, yes! | ||
| Solo! | ||
| You said, fuck it, I'm going older. | ||
| How old are you? | ||
| 17. Ah. | ||
| 16 going on 17. That's the history when my coaches say, every time when I go to the fight, when I training, once he became the best in Cuba. | ||
| He looked me in the eyes like this, you remember when you coming here, And now you know. | ||
| Oh, I see. | ||
| And now you know what I say. | ||
| Yeah, so when you were about to compete, he would look at you and say, remember when you first came here? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| When you were 17, by yourself, to Havana? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Ah, okay. | ||
| It's a long road to get there. | ||
| Many people who know this. | ||
| Escuela... | ||
| Let me go pee with you. | ||
| This is my man. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Jamie's on the ball. | ||
| Escuela de... | ||
| De Iniciación Deportiva Escolar. | ||
| Ah, okay. | ||
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Yes. | |
| Nice. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So now, when you're here and you're training with this guy who was coaching, he was a part of the Taekwondo program in Cuba. | ||
| What does he have you do? | ||
| What is a normal week for you? | ||
| Right now. | ||
| Right now, yeah. | ||
| Right now, only big... | ||
| Big weights? | ||
| Big weights. | ||
| Heavy weights, yeah. | ||
| Yeah, heavy. | ||
| Like are you doing like Olympic style, like clean press, like that kind of stuff? | ||
| Yes, yes. | ||
| Yeah? | ||
| But, remember, we make a test. | ||
| To see where your results are, physically. | ||
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Yes. | |
| We make a test. | ||
| No, it's like a, okay. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| It's all system. | ||
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System. | |
| Right, yeah. | ||
| So what you're saying is it's not... | ||
| Random. | ||
| It's very specific. | ||
| Yeah, specific. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He says, okay, and you test the, for example, here, probably... | ||
| Bench press. | ||
| Bench press. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And he writes the numbers down. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Okay, you have a... | ||
| There you go. | ||
| What is this here? | ||
| That guy's crying. | ||
| It's from the 213 countdown. | ||
| Ah, I see. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I see. | ||
| There you go. | ||
| That's the fourth time. | ||
| Now... | ||
| This is... | ||
| This is a special... | ||
| I don't know... | ||
| Joey's back, he'll help you out. | ||
| What's impressive is that your endurance has gotten better. | ||
| What do you say? | ||
| Your cardio, that was... | ||
| Before, you had been tired in the second round. | ||
| Now, you breathe better. | ||
| Your cardio is better. | ||
| How much of that is conditioning work, and how much of that is just knowing how to pace yourself better? | ||
| When that is because you were more intelligent, He got smarter. | ||
| Knowing how to pace yourself, knowing when to explode, when not to explode. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| What did you say to Luke Rockhold after you knocked him out? | ||
| You were like, you were on top of him, talking to him. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| What did you say to Luke Rockhold? | ||
| You know, because... | ||
| You know, Joe, in Cuba with the people... | ||
| Have a code. | ||
| I told you I stayed with the 15 years with my opponents together. | ||
| But you need respect. | ||
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You need respect. | |
| So do you think too many people talk shit over here? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And when you cross the line, that's personal. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And then it becomes personal. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You can fight with me every day. | ||
| But if you have a coat, it's no problem. | ||
| Right. | ||
| It's a sport. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| It's a sport. | ||
| But when you cross the line, if you stay with me here and outside, and you... | ||
| If you give him a hug, you put your arm around him. | ||
| Why, lady, you're talking... | ||
| Something not good about me. | ||
| Right. | ||
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Why? | |
| Do you think that in America, particularly today in the UFC, this is common because it gets guys' attention and they see, like, Conor McGregor. | ||
| He makes a lot of money because not just of his ability, because he can fight really well, but also because he talks shit really well, too. | ||
| Timmy. | ||
| I understand a little bit, but I wanted Moses. | ||
| For sure. | ||
| Listen. | ||
| Conor is Conor. | ||
| Conor is Conor. | ||
| That's what you say. | ||
| I know many people like him, like Econor, in Cuba, in the national team. | ||
| Many people like this. | ||
| This is what I see right now. | ||
| What he's seeing right now, he's already lived. | ||
| He's already seen this. | ||
| Because in 15 years together, not only wrestling, listen, not only for wrestling, it's all sports together. | ||
| All the sports. | ||
| Together. | ||
| Everybody together. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You can believe this? | ||
| Just savages. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| Woman and man, together. | ||
| Good luck. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The best of the best, the best of the best, all together. | ||
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You can learn every second. | |
| He was there 15 years and you learn every fucking second that you're there, you're learning. | ||
| Yeah, but for you to be there, you have to be in the top four. | ||
| So that's the pressure. | ||
| Yeah! | ||
| The top four in every division, in every sport. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Right, all together. | ||
| Because if you lose another talent, you lose this position. | ||
| For example, soccer. | ||
| The blocker, the goalie. | ||
| Okay, you're number four. | ||
| You're number four goalie. | ||
| Two more came out. | ||
| The selection of each deporte is 20 people. | ||
| 20 people per selection. | ||
| For example, a soccer player. | ||
| Soccer team. | ||
| I think it's 30 or 24 people. | ||
| I think so. | ||
| 30 people. | ||
| So you're number three. | ||
| You're number three. | ||
| He said, another guy is better in another city. | ||
| He said, okay, you're number three. | ||
| And now another guy, he push you. | ||
| You need to move. | ||
| You need to move. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| He's coming and you go. | ||
| You go home. | ||
| You're gone. | ||
| You understand? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| That's a skiba. | ||
| Right, so the pressure is just intense. | ||
| For 15 years I've seen many people coming, go, sometimes the people, this year is good, another year is here, and in 3 years this guy is coming again, because he's beaten, he's better. | ||
| Say, hey man, you come back here. | ||
| He got better and came back. | ||
| Yeah, for another sport, not only wrestling, understand? | ||
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I can. | |
| I can live with these people. | ||
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He could live with this, what's going on with the UFC. You could live with the competition, but it's not personal. | |
| He could live with it. | ||
| It's no big fucking deal. | ||
| Many people now who want to make it the same way that Conor do it. | ||
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Right. | |
| But Conor is Conor. | ||
| They're not Conor. | ||
| They're faking it. | ||
| Yeah! | ||
| They try too hard. | ||
| I say like this, I make a clap for Conor. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, that's his thing. | ||
| That's his thing. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's him. | ||
| And now he maybe he what? | ||
| It's a fake. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, because Conor is not like this. | ||
| Well, it's interesting, like, Anderson Silva made it to the top without ever talking shit. | ||
| Never talked shit. | ||
| You can see that? | ||
| Anderson Silva was always respectful, and people went to see him and bought his pay-per-view just because he was a bad motherfucker, and they wanted to see him fight. | ||
| It was 100% based on his ability. | ||
| You see what happened in the fight? | ||
| Anderson beat the bathroom? | ||
| That's not fake! | ||
| That's not fake, you understand? | ||
| He's quiet, but this day, he put the mask on. | ||
| That's not fake. | ||
| He don't need an imitation corner. | ||
| Because Vitor was saying that Anderson was fake, that he wears a mask, and that's not who he really is. | ||
| You understand? | ||
| So Anderson took it very personal. | ||
| That's personal. | ||
| But I never see Anderson like this. | ||
| No, that was the most personal. | ||
| Everything quiet, very professional, you understand? | ||
| That's what I say. | ||
| And now the people want money. | ||
| No, man, you're not coming. | ||
| You're not at all. | ||
| You're in fire. | ||
| You're fired. | ||
| Go and kill the people. | ||
| Take the hand. | ||
| And now the people pay you. | ||
| When you fight again, the people pay pay-per-view because the people want to see you. | ||
| The people don't want you. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So you want to say something? | ||
| Say. | ||
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But no No imites a Conor No don't imitate Conor You know There's definitely a lot of people That are doing that Doing a bad job of it So what was it What did you say to Luke Rocko? | |
| I say, hey Luke, and now you sing, and now you remember, When you take me and you say you are going to hang out, go out, go to the party, and when you stay with me, you say to me, hey, you want to fight me? | ||
| He said, no. | ||
| Why you ask me? | ||
| Why you ask? | ||
| He said, no, you want to fight with me? | ||
| He said, no, that's not the question. | ||
| The question is, you want to fight me? | ||
| So this is before the fight. | ||
| You guys had a conversation. | ||
| Long time before. | ||
| Long time ago. | ||
| And he said he didn't want to fight you. | ||
| Yeah, he said he don't want to fight me. | ||
| He said, okay, bro, so you don't want to fight me, I don't fight you. | ||
| You understand? | ||
| But what was that about? | ||
| Why would you guys say that? | ||
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Why would you have this conversation? | |
| You're in the same division. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Why would he say that he doesn't want to fight you? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| You need to ask him. | ||
| Not me. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| He didn't start the conversation. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| You need to ask him. | ||
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Right. | |
| Because I know you stay in the same division. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So you don't want to fight me, lose it. | ||
| If you don't want to fight, move it. | ||
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Either go up or lose it. | |
| If you win and I win, we're going to have to fight. | ||
| So when you finally did fight him, that was when you felt he was disrespectful. | ||
| He was talking a lot of shit. | ||
| That's what I think. | ||
| Antes de que pasara lo que paso con Usada, Before, what happened with Lusada? | ||
| That's what happened every time with Hay Sidney. | ||
| Let's explain to people what happened. | ||
| You got a hold of a tainted supplement. | ||
| There was something in the supplement that was forbidden. | ||
| They found that it was in the supplement, so you got cleared, but you had a small suspension. | ||
| It's not food. | ||
| It's not food. | ||
| Ese suplemento, yo lo estaba tomando. | ||
| That's what I know. | ||
| Believe me, I don't understand what happened. | ||
| Because this supplement, I take it. | ||
| I take it. | ||
| Why this supplement? | ||
| I have something forbidden in it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| See, why? | ||
| Why not before? | ||
| Right. | ||
| Well, it's very common, and a lot of times what happens is the suppliers, when you, say if you're a supplement company, and you have someone make some stuff for you, and then you package it and sell it, the people that are putting it together for you, they're selling a bunch of other things, too, and oftentimes things get into your supplement that aren't supposed to be there. | ||
| Especially... | ||
| No, tell me. | ||
| So, let's suppose the people who do this, This has happened to a lot of guys. | ||
| Can I ask you a question? | ||
| Can I ask you both a question? | ||
| Is it true I could go into GNC and buy shit that could get jacked? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| GNC? Yes. | ||
| I've heard you talking on the podcast, not when I'm on, but other people. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So I could go into GNC and take the guy aside. | ||
| There's a lot of stuff that you go, if you go into GNC, you'll buy stuff that's on the shelves for a little while and then they pull it. | ||
| And when companies sell stuff to them, sometimes they'll say there's one thing in it, but there's other things in it as well. | ||
| That's a real common thing, especially if something works really well. | ||
| Like a lot of times the stuff that works really well, people find out, yeah, it works really well because there's fucking steroids in it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, it might not just be GNC, just any vitamin store. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Not necessarily GNC, but there's a bunch of them. | ||
| Legal steroids at GNC, vitamin shop, and Walmart, and more. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| See, this is very, very common. | ||
| When you go to these places and buy these things, there's a lot of stuff at a regular vitamin store that'll make you test positive by USADA. You'll test for banned substances from stuff you just buy in a store. | ||
| Joe, you know, many times I think... | ||
| After this happened, I think many times, invitation people from Cuba. | ||
| Take people, say, okay, you and you and you and you and you come to Cuba for maybe 20 days. | ||
| I wanted the people to see because the genetic for Cuba... | ||
| Off the charts. | ||
| Not for the athletic people. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| Normally. | ||
| Everybody. | ||
| Normal people of incredible genetics. | ||
| I want the people invitation. | ||
| Yeah, normal. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
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You need to see an open mind. | |
| Right, right, right. | ||
| And he know. | ||
| That's what I say. | ||
| Well, here's the thing about a guy like you. | ||
| You know how much you need to pay for the steroids? | ||
| Right. | ||
| Come on man. | ||
| They don't have the money. | ||
| Come on man. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Come on man. | ||
| These people don't have... | ||
| They don't have anything. | ||
| I know what you're saying. | ||
| The other thing is, you can take all the steroids in the world, you're not going to look like you. | ||
| The way a person like you looks, it has to be genetics. | ||
| You took a regular guy and gave him steroids. | ||
| He would never look like you. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| Yeah, a lot of it is genetics, and a lot of it is also, you've got to think, from the time you were little, you were involved in this intense athletic program. | ||
| Your body developed that way. | ||
| What does he say? | ||
| That you were a young man, you were in this. | ||
| That your body grew up. | ||
| Because what you were doing was 11, 12, and 10. | ||
| No, he wanted to... | ||
| Believe me, I want to do this. | ||
| The invitation people from Cuba, I want the people to see. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You want them to go see? | ||
| Yeah, I want to see. | ||
| And I want to see after. | ||
| After? | ||
| No now, because it's my secret for me. | ||
| You know? | ||
| I wanted after when I train, when I beat the barrel, Because you can't put everything you're doing in the video where the people say, I do this, I do this, and now I can't beat him. | ||
| You understand what I say? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| I wanted the invitation camera. | ||
| For me, for three monks. | ||
| For three months, I never taken nothing. | ||
| And now you see what I do. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You understand? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Stop talking shit. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You understand? | ||
| So, people accused you of taking steroids after the tainted supplement thing, but you've never tested positive before? | ||
| No, never. | ||
| Or after? | ||
| I do for the Olympic Commission, test since 1995. From 1995, he's been testing for the Olympics. | ||
| He's been getting tested by the Olympics, I'm sorry. | ||
| And he never came up positive. | ||
| But the thing is when someone looks at you, because you have so much muscle, they assume you're doing something. | ||
| Yeah, the people think, well there's smoke there's fire. | ||
| The people think that if you're doing that. | ||
| Can I just interject here for a second? | ||
| I grew up with a lot of Cuban guys, the dark-skinned guys. | ||
| And it's amazing. | ||
| But then you see somebody like... | ||
| To me, when I look at a physical specimen, I always compare it to Dave Winfield. | ||
| You remember Dave Winfield? | ||
| Can I have a picture of Dave Winfield? | ||
| Of a baseball player. | ||
| You know, 6'7", baseball player. | ||
| Ran bases, you know. | ||
| On the other hand, Canseco... | ||
| Had to do 4.4 and he did the 40-yard dash and all that. | ||
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Right. | |
| But, you know, to me, this is just me and I hope I don't get in trouble for saying this. | ||
| Look at Dave Winfield's baseball body. | ||
| He was sick. | ||
| I saw him in person once. | ||
| That picture that you just had up, Jamie, of him and... | ||
| Yeah, right there. | ||
| Man, look at the fucking legs on that guy. | ||
| Africa is a fucking huge country. | ||
| And God knows what came through Cuba. | ||
| And what we developed and how we developed like. | ||
| Then you have Earl Campbell. | ||
| What tribe in Africa did Earl Campbell come with? | ||
| How about Herschel Walker? | ||
| How about Herschel Walker? | ||
| Herschel Walker's still 52 years of age. | ||
| He's jacked. | ||
| You know, are you saying that Herschel's fucking juicing? | ||
| Right. | ||
| You know, these people went through Cuba. | ||
| Now you add that with the no feeding, because these guys don't have the best nutrition in the world in Cuba. | ||
| Right. | ||
| They don't have the, you know, what are you hearing now? | ||
| That even the Cuban cigars aren't that good anymore. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Because the dirt isn't that good, you know? | ||
| You know, it's a fucking poor country. | ||
| It's not like they get vitamin water and what's-his-name down there. | ||
| You know, so you have to take all those things. | ||
| You know, these guys lived on dick. | ||
| Let me see something. | ||
| You know what? | ||
| Many people know who he is. | ||
| Who's the guy? | ||
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This is the 117. 170. Which one? | |
| Tyron Woodley? | ||
| No, no, no, no, no. | ||
| We stay in Cuba training. | ||
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Oh, Matt Brown. | |
| Matt Brown. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He know this. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| You know what the people take after the training? | ||
| Like recover. | ||
| To recover. | ||
| Yeah, like Gatorade, something like this. | ||
| Gatorade, right. | ||
| Are you ready for what he's going to tell you, what they drink to recover? | ||
| For sure. | ||
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What? | |
| Yeah. | ||
| Okay, I'm sitting down. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Water with sugar. | ||
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Water with sugar. | |
| Wow. | ||
| Low tech. | ||
| Because they don't have nothing. | ||
| They don't have anything. | ||
| They have nothing. | ||
| So you never saw any steroid use? | ||
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You never saw any athletes? | |
| Listen. | ||
| Do you know how many people are in an Olympic Center? | ||
| Where all the sports are. | ||
| That he has the consciousness that he knows. | ||
| That it's 15 years as an athlete. | ||
| That two cases came out positive. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| In Cuba. | ||
| Out of all those years, two cases? | ||
| Two cases. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| One guy was in a weight lifter. | ||
| El Guajiro. | ||
| That means they called him like a country motherfucker. | ||
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Crazy. | |
| He was crazy. | ||
| El Guajiro. | ||
| El Guajiro. | ||
| Y creo que el otro dio positivo pero por marihuana. | ||
| And the other guy was positive for marijuana. | ||
| For marijuana. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Y el Guajiro creo que dio positivo por testosterona. | ||
| Testosterone. | ||
| He was positive for testosterone. | ||
| How common is marijuana in Cuba? | ||
| There's a lot of marijuana in Cuba. | ||
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Yes. | |
| Yes, there. | ||
| Yes, there. | ||
| No. | ||
| No. | ||
| A ver. | ||
| If you start looking at it. | ||
| For us, the Cubans, there's a lot. | ||
| For the Cubans, there's a lot of marijuana. | ||
| His niece? | ||
| He never saw a pop plant in her life. | ||
| His nephew doesn't even know what it is. | ||
| He never even heard people speak about it. | ||
| Uh-uh. | ||
| On the street. | ||
| When you go on the streets. | ||
| You know? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| People know what they're talking about. | ||
| People know what a Percocet is. | ||
| People know what a Percocet is. | ||
| But that's in the people's street. | ||
| Is marijuana illegal in Cuba? | ||
| Ilegal. | ||
| You get in big trouble. | ||
| Big trouble. | ||
| Big trouble. | ||
| And I... I take you to 100 houses. | ||
| He'll take you to a hundred houses in his city. | ||
| And he'll get kids. | ||
| Maybe now, maybe. | ||
| The whole society and the whole world is a little fucking crazy right now. | ||
| And his era there in Cuba. | ||
| You could call 100 kids and take two out of each house and ask them if they know what marijuana is. | ||
| Wow, yeah. | ||
| Is it now the system we live in? | ||
| It's not compared to what it's like here. | ||
| But there's marijuana. | ||
| There's marijuana. | ||
| When Ozil Motley went to Cuba, the band Ozil Motley from LA, he told me he copped. | ||
| He copped some weed in Cuba. | ||
| I would be so fucking scared. | ||
| Yeah, I wouldn't fuck it up. | ||
| You want to get locked up in Cuba? | ||
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What's that? | |
| Would you ask him? | ||
| Look! | ||
| From 10 to 20 years For one joint Fuck that One, uno, wow In your UFC career, you had one very controversial fight with Tim Kennedy | ||
| How much time they give you? | ||
| That time where you sat on the stool for a long time, like an extra 30 seconds in between the rounds. | ||
| What's your take on that? | ||
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What was that? | |
| What's your take on that? | ||
| That you sit for 30 seconds and that Tim Kennedy says, bingo, what happened? | ||
| Look, in the code, there are two codes, the code from the street and the code of sports. | ||
| He has two colleagues in his life, colleagues from the street and colleagues from the sport. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| The two have to be engaged. | ||
| Both of them have to go hand in hand. | ||
| He doesn't think he has any of those. . | ||
| What does that mean? | ||
| He was holding on to his fingers. | ||
| He grabbed your glove. | ||
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Before that. | |
| When they were against the fence. | ||
| He was holding his glove. | ||
| So he was cheating. | ||
| It's my fault! | ||
| It's his fault because he didn't have to let him grab his fucking gloves. | ||
| He let him grab. | ||
| And then he grabbed his. | ||
| He's holding on to my glove. | ||
| So when you grabbed his glove, he told the referee? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| He's got him up against the wall. | ||
| - They know they're against the fence. | ||
| He grabs his hand first. | ||
| He breaks the grip. | ||
| And he grabs his. | ||
| And he told the ref. | ||
| He lets it go right away. | ||
| They kept fighting. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And then when it's time to get to the last 10 seconds, like 20 or 15 seconds. | ||
| 15 seconds left in the fight. | ||
| And he grabbed his glove again. | ||
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And he hit you. | |
| There's a video of that. | ||
| He's going to ask you a question, Joe. | ||
| If he sticks his finger in your fucking eye, what is that? | ||
| It's a foul. | ||
| How many minutes do you need it for that you recover? | ||
| It's a good question. | ||
| Depending on how bad your eyes are hurt, it might be over. | ||
| What do you say? | ||
| Normal, how long would it be? | ||
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It could take a few minutes. | |
| If he kicks you in the balls, take a few minutes. | ||
| Is this legal or illegal? | ||
| Grabbing gloves, is it legal or not legal? | ||
| If he punches you with your gloves, with me holding on to your gloves, if I'm punching you and I'm holding on to your gloves, is that legal or illegal? | ||
| How much time should I have taken off? | ||
| What you're saying is you sat down for extra time in between the rounds because he committed a foul right before that. | ||
| No, no, no, no. | ||
| No? | ||
| No, yo no me quedé sentado por eso. | ||
| Yo le estoy haciendo una pregunta. | ||
| He's asking you a question. | ||
| Si se hubiese parado la pelea. | ||
| Si el árbitro hubiese percatado. | ||
| Si el árbitro hubiese visto. | ||
| If the judge would have seen that, that he would have seen him ripping off his glove, and he would have seen him punching him like that, how much time would he have taken? | ||
| Well, he should take points away. | ||
| This is what I think. | ||
| I think anytime someone does a foul, he should take points away. | ||
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Kick in the dick, kick in the balls, point away. | |
| Poke in the eye, point away. | ||
| Because even if you don't mean to do it, Even if you don't mean to do it, it still does damage. | ||
| And it's a foul. | ||
| So I think you should get a point taken away. | ||
| He didn't say it for a certain word. | ||
| The fight ended. | ||
| Because the time ended. | ||
| If not, he would have lost the fight. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Because you were hurt. | ||
| He punched him eight times. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| If the time wouldn't have ended, he would have lost the fight. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So the round was over. | ||
| You sat down in between rounds. | ||
| What happened? | ||
| When the time ended... | ||
| Stay right there and clean him. | ||
| But my coach is intelligent. | ||
| My coach said, I can't do it. | ||
| So your coach bought you extra time. | ||
| But it was not the fault. | ||
| It was that. | ||
| If you look at it, it's okay. | ||
| If you watch it, his trainer couldn't clean him, couldn't wipe him. | ||
| He said, "I can't touch him." My trainer said, "No, no, no. | ||
| Limp it. | ||
| I'll send you. | ||
| Because the guy who had to clean me was the Cutman. | ||
| The cream. | ||
| Oh, the guy that was supposed to wipe him down was the Cutman. | ||
| But the Cut Man couldn't do it, so then the other guy had a Cut Man. | ||
| The Cut Man had left already. | ||
| Just the only two that were in the ring were the two trainers. | ||
| And then my coach said, I can't touch it. | ||
| He said, yes, yes. | ||
| And my character said, I'll tell you. | ||
| Limp it. | ||
| So did they cover you with water to give you extra time? | ||
| They gave you water for more time. | ||
| No. | ||
| He's always done the water exclusively in his trainings. | ||
| He likes the water for recovery. | ||
| But he tells people to wipe them down. | ||
| It's not for more time, it's for him to recover. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You have to throw the water on it. | ||
| And with the towels on them and to wipe it down at the same time. | ||
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To cool them off. | |
| So at the end of the round, the round ends. | ||
| You're sitting on the corner. | ||
| The round's supposed to begin. | ||
| Tim Kennedy's standing up. | ||
| And he's like, what is going on here? | ||
| He thinks maybe the fight's over. | ||
| And you're still sitting down. | ||
| He wanted the fight to be over. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Yeah, for sure. | ||
| Because he felt a winner. | ||
| He didn't want to fight with me. | ||
| Tim Kennedy didn't want to fight him. | ||
| They spent three months. | ||
| The UFC said, take the fight. | ||
| And he always said that he had a injury. | ||
| He didn't want to fight. | ||
| First he said he had an injury he didn't want to fight, so it took the UFC three months for him to fight Yoel. | ||
| Right, but he could have had an injury. | ||
| He could have had an injury, but that... | ||
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It is possible. | |
| No, he's not saying it. | ||
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Right, right, right. | |
| Because they gave him the fight three times he didn't want. | ||
| And he always, something always... | ||
| Until he finally took the fight. | ||
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No. | |
| I told you... | ||
| Fifteen years dealing with people. | ||
| He knows how they're going to manifest. | ||
| In the beginning he was very nice. | ||
| Very... | ||
| At the weigh-ins. | ||
| He's standing there minding his business. | ||
| The main car was Poirier and McGregor. | ||
| It was hot. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Un poco de show y eso. | ||
| Y viene y me dice, "Hey, yo." Like this. | ||
| "Hey, yo." "What's up?" "Please, please, no do this." Right. | ||
| Who said that to you? | ||
| Tim! | ||
| So let's be professional, let's be friendly. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Hey, like this, hey. | ||
| Hey, what's up? | ||
| Please, no do this. | ||
| I said, what? | ||
| No, this. | ||
| I said, I don't do it. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Why would he come up to him and say that if the whole time he's been very respectful to Tim Kennedy? | ||
| Right, I don't know. | ||
| Because he want to talk. | ||
| You know, like a friend. | ||
| Those are games that are used in sports. | ||
| To try to be your friend. | ||
| When we were in the fight, if you watched the fight closely, the first round he won it easy. | ||
| Second round, I'm winning the round until the last 10 seconds. | ||
| If that wouldn't happen with the grab glove, he would have won the second round also. | ||
| Right, so him grabbing your glove is how he was able to hit you. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He didn't touch him in the whole fight. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Just in those last 10 seconds. | ||
| But he hit him real fucking hard. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So when you were sitting there, what was going through your mind when you were sitting there and Tim Kennedy was telling you to stand up and you knew that the round was over? | ||
| Or that the rest period was over? | ||
| When you were sitting there, Tim Kennedy was telling you to stop, stop, stop. | ||
| What was you thinking? | ||
| I said, wait for me, I'm going to stop now. | ||
| Let me clean up. | ||
| I'm gonna get up as soon as they fucking wipe me down. | ||
| He, in reality, didn't think that Tim, that he wanted to stay sitting down. | ||
| That he was thinking and now he wants to come out to finish knocking me out. | ||
| Now I got him. | ||
| Let me dry me off and then we'll fucking fight. | ||
| Right, but you only get one minute rest. | ||
| You were hurt at the end of the round. | ||
| There's only one minute rest, but you took a minute and 30 seconds. | ||
| that extra 30 seconds had to help que dice que tu te tan supuestro da un minuto pero tu cogiste un minuto y 30 segundos que esos 30 segundos te ayudaron bueno claro que si yeah fuck yeah But it's not his fault. | ||
| It's not your fault. | ||
| If he would have been cleaned up. | ||
| If McCarthy would have said go out and fight, go out and fight. | ||
| Put the video on. | ||
| When he goes go, he sees that he's all sweating and he told me to slow down. | ||
| So you're saying that that was not a ploy in order to get you more rest? | ||
| No, no, no, for sure. | ||
| So the only other fight, well, that was a controversial moment. | ||
| You said that in the Robert Whittaker fight, that was a learning experience for you, because you went five rounds, came very close to winning the interim title, but came short. | ||
| Like, what did you get out of that fight? | ||
| that you said that was a big learning experience for you that was a big learning experience because going five rounds while for those Last night his manager said that after the fight when he saw him, that he had a big smile on his face. | ||
| He was very happy. | ||
| He didn't take that loss as serious as he should have. | ||
| It's the same with Rafael Feijal too. | ||
| Learned. | ||
| Learned. | ||
| And now you see what happened. | ||
| With Luke Rockhold. | ||
| Luke Rockhold. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You need to learn. | ||
| What did you learn in the Robert Whittaker fight? | ||
| About the timing. | ||
| Timing. | ||
| Timing. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| About the timing. | ||
| You need a little more calm down. | ||
| Listen. | ||
| The people talk about my gas. | ||
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| But the most, what I also could feel with Luke Rocko, that he saw in the fight, that it's not as easy as he thought. | ||
| Well, the other thing was that Luke Rocko didn't, It wasn't as easy as it was to fight this fucking guy. | ||
| You know, he saw that it wasn't that easy. | ||
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Hmm. | |
| When he was training in Albuquerque with John Jones. | ||
| He saw something. | ||
| They controlled his attacks. | ||
| When? | ||
| When he should attack. | ||
| He's learned that from John. | ||
| And that hadn't happened with him. | ||
| Go, go, go. | ||
| If you tell somebody, go, go, go, they're not a fucking machine. | ||
| They're going to get fucking tired. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| That's what happened. | ||
| You had to learn to pace yourself. | ||
| That's it. | ||
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Right. | |
| He's never worried about five rounds. | ||
| Because I train every day. | ||
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Right. | |
| You have to be proctified by... | ||
| You have to be worried if you know that you don't have gas in that gas tank. | ||
| I don't have a problem for five rounds. | ||
| The argument has always been that a guy who has more muscle has a harder time keeping a fast pace. | ||
| So what you've learned how to do is to pace yourself for your body type. | ||
| Does that make sense? | ||
| Dicen que la gente que tiene muchos músculos necesitan mucho aire para bajarse duro por tres rounds. | ||
| Lo que tú estás diciendo ahora que tú aprendí cómo controlarte más. | ||
| La gente que tiene muchos músculos, you know, like a soccer group, Remember when he fought? | ||
| Sakuraba? | ||
| No, no, the black dude with the crazy hair. | ||
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Sokuju. | |
| Sokuju. | ||
| I mean, when I saw Sokuju, I turned the TV off. | ||
| I was so fucking scared. | ||
| You know what I'm saying? | ||
| I just turned the TV off. | ||
| But after a round and a half, it maintains a lot of oxygen. | ||
| I've learned that from you talking on the UFC, that you need a lot of oxygen. | ||
| Eso ha cambiado contigo. | ||
| No, tú sabes, aunque tú cojas a Minnie Mouse, to take a Minnie Mouse. | ||
| You take mini mouse. | ||
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Mighty mouse? | |
| Mighty mouse. | ||
| You even have to tell him to breathe and pace himself. | ||
| But to have all that muscle, it takes more endurance, right? | ||
| But the payoff is you have much more power. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| How, how? | ||
| You have more power. | ||
| You understand? | ||
| You have to talk about the training, the type of training that you are now. | ||
| You have to be more calm. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| But the last one, you have to take it. | ||
| Yes, yes, yes, for sure. | ||
| So you've learned how to pace yourself for your body type and your style. | ||
| And now, like that five rounds with Whitaker, that was a big learning experience for you in that way. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| So now you're going to fight Whittaker again? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| You look very excited. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| I think if you win, you will be the oldest guy to ever, well, maybe Randy Couture when he won the heavyweight title, but for sure middleweight. | ||
| You'll definitely be the oldest middleweight. | ||
| I think Randy was older when he won the heavyweight title when he fought with Tim Sylvia. - - - I think Randy was 46? | ||
| 46? | ||
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No, Randy! | |
| Jesus Christ! | ||
| Randy was a beast. | ||
| Randy, no! | ||
| He was a beast. | ||
| He is the best. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| The fight was the first light heavyweight since losing to Chuck. | ||
| His first fight at light heavyweight. | ||
| He beat him the oldest fight to win a UFC bout. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| That's a UFC bout. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| That's not what I meant. | ||
| Look at when he... | ||
| How old was he when he beat Tim Sylvia? | ||
| I had champion type then. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Find out how old he was when he beat... | ||
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40! | |
| You wanted to be younger. | ||
| 40! | ||
| I think he was... | ||
| I want to say he was 44. I want to say he was 44. I think. | ||
| He might have been, yeah. | ||
| 45 in four months. | ||
| 45? | ||
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45, man. | |
| Damn. | ||
| So he beat Tim Silvio for the heavyweight title when he was 45. That's fucking crazy. | ||
| Now, all due respect, you have to remember that there was the testing back then. | ||
| They'd just look at you and go, yeah, you look clean. | ||
| There's no fucking testing. | ||
| They'd test you at the weigh-ins. | ||
| That was it. | ||
| There was no random testing. | ||
| There was no USADA. It's a different ballgame now, as far as guys getting tested. | ||
| He gets tested the most in the UFC. Really? | ||
| Because look at you. | ||
| Two times a month. | ||
| Two times a month? | ||
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Wow. | |
| They just show up? | ||
| They're outside right now. | ||
| Maybe, maybe. | ||
| All of us are going to get pissed. | ||
| Don't mix those tests up. | ||
| We're going to have a real problem. | ||
| You know, it's funny. | ||
| New York. | ||
| Is it New York? | ||
| In New York. | ||
| In the fight with Chris. | ||
| Chris Weidman. | ||
| Chris Weidman. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| When I make a song like this, I got... | ||
| They test you right after you flexed. | ||
| Only me! | ||
| No, come on, come on. | ||
| Well, New York, you know, that was new. | ||
| New York is very new to MMA. I mean, they've only had MMA a couple of years now. | ||
| But it's funny, like a monster, monster? | ||
| Monster energy drink? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Say, oh, look at this guy, man. | |
| He's a really monster. | ||
| And when I go out, he say, come on, monster. | ||
| Come on, monster. | ||
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Come on, monster. | |
| We're going to test you. | ||
| Oh, that's hilarious. | ||
| That's hilarious, man. | ||
| Do you think it's a good thing, the USADA testing? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Good. | ||
| Keep everybody honest. | ||
| That Chris Weidman fight, that was one of your most spectacular knockouts. | ||
| That flying knee. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| That's one thing that's unique about you is your ability to just explode out of nowhere. | ||
| Like you lull guys to sleep and then you go off. | ||
| It's me. | ||
| Yeah, that's your style. | ||
| It's a unique style, man. | ||
| To what he was, did you wrestle like that too? | ||
| That's it, that's it, that's it, you know. | ||
| It's dependent on my coach, the wrestling coach. | ||
| But him, when I do something like that, He say, hey! | ||
| Go! | ||
| I am... | ||
| Attack. | ||
| Attack, attack. | ||
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And... | |
| That's what I want to do in MMA. The difference is though the wrestling is short of time periods. | ||
| Yeah, but I told... | ||
| And no striking. | ||
| I want to the... | ||
| the people the people the people the people the people the people the people the people the people the people who know him especially now that watch him train they know how he fights how is he fighting with percentages of his in the gym | ||
| and I do thank you He thanks God for everything. | ||
| He was coming back. | ||
| In the Whitaker fight, you were coming back. | ||
| If you watch the last round, the fourth round, how does he come out in the fifth round? | ||
| He was preparing himself but he wasn't preparing himself correctly, but I was going to fight. | ||
| This new trainer really gets him prepared how he should fight. | ||
| What is different? | ||
| What is the difference? | ||
| He was trying to fight at a high pace for five rounds. | ||
| Because he knows his gas. | ||
| The people have fought with him. | ||
| if they want to be honest. | ||
| And we're not even talking about whether they went or lost. | ||
| The gas. | ||
| If it's as easy to get that rhythm going. | ||
| There's one thing to be out of the fight and there's one thing to be in the fight Let's just wait till June 9th That's when it's going to be? | ||
| Where is it? | ||
| Chicago. | ||
| You're there the night after. | ||
| You're there June 8th. | ||
| What is different about your preparation now? | ||
| The systems of training. | ||
| The ones that he's utilizing now are going back to his Cuban roots. | ||
| Why does this guy, this new coach, have better results with older athletes? | ||
| Because this guy, your friend of Taekwondo, because he has results with athletes that are a little bit more than the young ones. | ||
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It's not really. | |
| Realmente que ha tenido resultado con los atletas más viejos, sino que sabe trabajarlo. | ||
| Es la metodología. | ||
| Tú no puedes... | ||
| It's like a... | ||
| Look at this. | ||
| Si tú le preguntas, y creo que él habló algo de eso, If you ask him to train this, he's got a lot of training and experience in his body already. | ||
| You can't make him do what an 18 year old does. | ||
| Something specific. | ||
| And that's what they're working on. | ||
| On specifics right now. | ||
| He doesn't need to run 20 laps around a fucking track, you know? | ||
| All that's going to do is fuck him up. | ||
| Do you run at all? | ||
| How many miles? | ||
| Sin embargo, now we're running less than before. | ||
| Now we're running less than before. | ||
| We're running a certain, a specific way. | ||
| How much longer do you think you're going to be fighting? | ||
| you're 41 when do you think you're going to retire? | ||
| You know when you're training you have a discipline When you have discipline. | ||
| When you have discipline, you train every day. | ||
| You train every day. | ||
| When you train every day, God, it hurts me. | ||
| And one day you wake up and you're like, God, Jesus, everything hurts. | ||
| Like, everything hurts. | ||
| Even my toenails hurt. | ||
| Aparte que tienes disciplina y entreno todos los días, y aparte que te duele todo, tienes un compromiso. | ||
| And no matter if you train every day and you're tired and everything's sore, you have a compromise. | ||
| You've committed to something. | ||
| Until when is this commitment gonna be for him? | ||
| He hopes to win the title. | ||
| Ask him after he wins the title. | ||
| You know... | ||
| Because, yeah, he's sore. | ||
| His body hurts. | ||
| Training hurts. | ||
| When you train for real, it hurts. |
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