Joe Rogan and John Heffron tackle MMA’s controversies—from NLP’s real-life applications to the UFC’s dominance, including Heffron’s criticism of referees and fans’ role in shaping careers—before dismissing hybrid fighters as inferior. Rogan then pivots to medical marijuana’s autism success story: Sam, a violent California boy (ages 2–8), calmed within minutes after hash-infused melon doses under Prop 215, avoiding institutionalization. Heffron and Shafir counter Dr. Drew Pinsky’s anti-pot rhetoric with evidence like non-psychoactive arthritis relief, leaving Rogan to defend cannabis as a misunderstood but potentially life-changing treatment. [Automatically generated summary]
Yeah, for me what I did is you kind of work backwards.
You figure out what you want to accomplish and then you kind of get all those feelings and what it would feel like once you accomplish those and it kind of lets your brain know this is the way I want to go.
This is make every decision in the right way to obtain that goal.
For me, some people go, well that's all common sense stuff, but there's a big difference between common sense and common knowledge or actually applying it.
So you get in a bad mood for 8 billion different reasons before you get on stage, and then you enter that stage, and you're kind of in a pissy mood, which then that comes across to the crowd.
Or what I would do...
I would see a group of guys, let's say, and in my head I would go, oh, those guys are going to heckle.
And then I start playing this movie in my head.
Oh, they're going to heckle right at my favorite joke.
Oh, it's going to wreck that thing.
And I start to go, like, literally play it out as if it happened.
So then when I got on stage, I was already mad at these guys that didn't say anything.
So I'd take the stage with a little bit more testosterone, and then that puts a weird vibe on the crowd, even though those guys might have not said anything the entire show.
But now I do that with every part of my life, and I think a lot of people do.
You're like, oh, look at that girl over there.
I'd ask her out.
She's probably going to say no, though.
She's probably going to say no and make me feel stupid in front of all my other friends and blah, blah, blah.
Well, it's also, the hosting thing, I couldn't have hosted it because I'm the commentator for the UFC. For the UFC, yeah, and they wanted to make it non- Even though I'm a huge MMA fan and I'm as objective as possible when it comes to other organizations, like...
I'm always talking about Fedor and I'm always talking about Aoki and all these different guys who fight Alistair Overeem and different guys who fight in other organizations.
I'm a big believer in, you know, you have to look at all...
I mean, if you're a fan, you have to like all the different organizations.
You can't just be loyal.
Obviously, the UFC is the greatest job I've ever had and it's a fucking awesome gig and I appreciate the hell out of it and I love the job, but...
As a fan, you can't just only follow the fighters and the fights that are in that organization.
But what do you think the evolution, if you were just to pretend the evolution, you think maybe in 40 years there'd be like maybe nunchucks on a rack, like on a hook on the side of the cage where then...
That's what, I mean, you could go to Roman gladiator style, have dudes have sword fights, and that would be, certainly be fucking crazy, but ultimately, I don't think it would be as enjoyable.
It would just be more fucked up, because your champions wouldn't survive.
There's been a fight in the stands right before you go to talk to them.
It happened with Sylvester Stallone.
You interviewed Rocky.
And there was a thing...
Did it happen with Hulk?
There's always a little moment right before...
It's funny.
I guess, or to make it more realistic, maybe you could have cage fighting or where you have the two fighters and then random people standing around like a bar fight.
So then you'd have to worry about throwing a punch back and having...
Well, everything is going in a direction where, like science fiction, like the things that we thought of as being completely ridiculous in the 1980s, the stuff that you would see in a movie, I mean, it's all real now.
I mean, you see that new Microsoft Touch thing where they have a table and you can put something on the table and it recognizes what that something is and gives you information on it.
I was talking about that new cell phone idea that Nokia has where it's a phone that you're talking and then you flip it on your wrist when you're done.
I saw the, they had this, what's that, Neo Technology where they took shark skin, how it's all bladed, and they made this suit that's almost unstabbable and stuff for like soldiers, where you wear, almost like a wetsuit, but nothing can get through it.
Well, yeah, there's going to be that, but I think most of the war is going to be fought like what the CIA is doing in Pakistan right now.
They've got drones.
These drones are flying over Pakistan just launching missiles down on people.
The bottom line is that all things accelerate.
No things stay exactly where they are and the only time they degress is when there's a gigantic natural catastrophe or you know somebody blows up a bunch of nuclear weapons and you know we go back to being fucking cavemen.
I mean that's the only way things are gonna decelerate.
But the way things are going right now they're gonna move in a crazier and crazier direction.
We went from Bows and arrows, to guns, to cannons, to...
And it keeps going and going and going, and now it's fucking drones that fire missiles from the sky.
I mean, that's...
And then, you know, like the Star Wars program that they were trying to do during the Reagan administration, you know, they were trying to have it so that they have satellites that can shoot down missiles from space.
But apparently that was all bullshit.
Apparently that never really worked, and apparently...
There's a gigantic conspiracy...
Wrapped around the scientists that were involved in the Star Wars program.
Because apparently a fuckload of them have died under suspicious causes.
It was just a program where they shot, supposedly had satellites that could shoot down missiles from space.
But apparently it was never functional.
Never proven.
To be effective.
They spent billions and billions of dollars on it.
And all these scientists dying, the big theory was that, you know, these guys knew too much and they knew that it was horseshit and so they had to kill them off before they talked.
I wouldn't put it past them.
You know, you get the CIA involved, and if you ever read Confessions of an Economic Hitman, and you find out the shit that our government does to other countries, they'd kill scientists.
They'd kill anybody.
They don't give a fuck.
They're the same people that wanted us to go to war in Iraq and were willing to lie about weapons of mass destruction.
Everybody's going on and on about September 11th.
Do you really think the government would allow innocent people to die during September 11th so they could go to war?
I don't know, but do you really think they believed there was weapons of mass destruction?
Do you really think that we're over in Iraq and Afghanistan for good reasons that benefit you and I? No.
And millions of people have died because of that.
At least a million Iraqi civilians have died because of that.
And so, if they're willing to do that, you don't think they're willing to kill a few thousand here and there?
Of course they are.
And forget about the few thousand that died during 9-11.
The million people that died in Iraq are human beings.
They're just as legitimate as the people that died in the Twin Towers.
I mean, it's all completely ridiculous.
Someone says, can we change topic to something fun?
Listen to this guy, there's no such thing as a legit conspiracy theory.
Okay smart man, like you fucking know.
How funny are people?
There's no such thing as real conspiracy theory.
Of course there are stupid.
Look up the Gulf of Tonkin.
The Gulf of Tonkin incident is a real conspiracy theory where the government really did lie and say that there was an attack on American citizens and that's what got us into the Vietnam War.
Look up the Northwoods document.
The Northwoods document is a real conspiracy that the Joint Chiefs of Staff drafted up and signed and then it was vetoed by Kennedy and what it was was basically they were trying to get people enthusiastic about a war with Cuba and they were gonna plan a tax on American civilians.
They were gonna blow up an airliner and blame it on Cuba and say that Americans were on board They were going to attack ships.
They were going to attack Guantanamo Bay.
They were going to throw mortars into Guantanamo Bay, and they were ready for U.S. casualties, which meant they were willing to kill Americans in order to get us to go to war with Cuba.
These are real!
How about fucking cigarettes?
You want a real conspiracy theory?
How come politicians all want to talk about drugs and we need to keep drugs out of schools?
Drugs in this country can't even fucking come close to the death and destruction and health problems that cigarettes have caused.
But yet, you don't hear a fucking peep out of those guys about cigarettes.
Cigarettes kill 400,000 people a year.
in this country alone every fucking year that's a real legit conspiracy where no one is talking about it and the reason why they're not talking about is because tobacco companies Finance campaigns of politicians.
Those are conspiracies.
What a conspiracy is is someone conspires to do something.
There's hundreds of legit conspiracies.
Look up the Iran-Contra affair.
Look up the fact that Oliver North and all those guys were involved in doing illegal shit in order to help...
I just watched a thing where they were bringing cocaine into the US. Well, that's the accusation and there's a bunch of books that have been written on that and CIA agents.
There's a guy named Gary Webb who's got a bunch of shit on that.
And there was a dude named Barry Seal who actually was bringing in cocaine from other countries, got caught, and when he was about to go to trial, was murdered.
People say, oh man, the CIA is good, they help us.
Sure, some CIA... I'm sure do that, but the CIA, one of the planes that's been to Guantanamo Bay crashed last year in Mexico with four tons of cocaine.
I'm going to put up that link.
Yeah, and it didn't even fucking make the news, man.
It made Reuters, and it didn't make any of the big news programs.
It's been proven that oil companies have hired scientists to dispute the fact that human beings have created global warming.
Who the fuck knows whether or not they're right or wrong when it comes to global warming and most people that argue it They argue it from the point of being a conservative or being a liberal.
Liberals always say we have to stop, and conservatives say there's no connection.
And that's just because they're a bunch of fucking parrots.
They hear all these different people, Rush Limbaugh or whoever on the radio, saying that there's no connection, that you're these silly liberals, and they just repeat the same dumb shit.
And conservatives, Do that.
And then liberals, they see that fucking Al Gore cocksucker and they go, Al Gore said that...
Meanwhile, Al Gore's made a billion dollars off of this fucking climate gate.
If you look at what Al Gore has made, the money that Al Gore's made since The Inconvenient Truth came out, it's fucking staggering.
He's made an incredible amount of money off of this.
And the people that would benefit from all these carbon taxes, I mean, they're setting this up to make money, and that's what they're doing.
No one's doing this.
I'm sure there's a few scientists that are doing it with the right intentions, but most of the politicians that are pushing this, they have ulterior motives, and they're trying to make money off of this shit.
Hey, Joe Rogan, did you hear JohnnyBananas21 at gmail.com says, did you hear that the Y chromosome is evolving faster than the X chromosome?
That's because we're men, bitch.
Johnny Bananas.
We're the only ones with the Y. The women don't get the Y. The Y is the future.
Yeah, this one was about all the chemicals that probably our parents or our parents' parents did in the 60s, all the plastics and all that kind of stuff, where they said it wasn't bad for you.
Now they realize it is and for some reason that those chemicals Affect men more like they found me these alligators that live by let's say doll in in the in the swamps had smaller balls then alligators You know generations earlier that all those chemicals were shrinking the alligator balls I don't know what job you have that that's your guy that you know one guy goes I'm gonna measure it alligator balls Yeah.
But that's what they say.
It's from all the chemicals and stuff.
That men are acting less like men and producing more sperm.
I bet it's much more difficult for your dad to be obsessive about masturbation because they used to have to set up a projector, pull the shades down, pull the screen, run that little 16mm, watch some black and white old ladies.
Do you remember when you were, when you were, the old days, when you would go on the road, and you would go to hotel rooms, and the dirty movies would be scrambled?
Someone says, I'm disappointed that you're not getting high.
The reason why we're not getting high was because, up until a few moments ago, my little baby was in the house, and my mommy and the baby, and we're in the media room right now, and there's no ventilation up in this bitch.
Well, you know, that's how they're doing a lot of, people are seeing a lot of people's identity, is they'll go, you, and I'll get enough information from your site, Just in general, that I can then use that to piece mail.
Well, he's on magazines, and he goes on CNN, and he talks about his Twitter on CNN. Yeah, but so does Larry King every day, but he's not even a quarter of that.
The young people with Twitter don't give a fuck about Larry King, but they certainly give a fuck about Ashton Kutcher, that handsome devil with his elderly wife.
They love that dude.
I wonder how long he's going to keep her.
Because Ashton's only like fucking 27 years old, right?
Maybe Bruce Willis takes out of Jimmy's ass and puts an ass in his mouth.
That is weird.
I don't want to hang around with some dude who made babies with my wife.
was fucking her like every night sleeping in bed with her and cuddling with her but you know what I'm not that open minded maybe Ashton's really open minded or maybe it's just like I can't believe I'm hanging out with Bruce Willis like hey this is awesome I'm in with the Hollywood crowd Bruce is so cool we hang out and party meanwhile Bruce is like Oh, I'll get you a beer.
If you don't get tapped, you're either not rolling with good people or you're not opening yourself up.
If you don't open your game up, you don't improve.
First of all, if I just wanted to get on top all the time and always hold position and not take any chances, you could go a year without getting tapped.
But...
If you want to learn and you want to develop your game, you can't worry about being tapped.
When you get tapped, you got to go, okay, that's one more way that I won't get tapped.
My friend Scott got me in this crazy arm bar from inside my guard.
I had him in my guard and he got me in an arm bar.
That's never happened to me before.
It's some crazy thing where...
As you scoop under the leg to try to toss the guy and get him in an arm bar, he has this way of locking your arm with his leg and he pulls on it.
It's real dangerous.
It felt like my elbow was going to go.
And I was like, you motherfucker.
I'm like, how'd you get that?
And then I had him show it to me.
But now, he tried to do it again the day before yesterday and he couldn't get me in it.
Ladies and gentlemen, we're going to just show you a little clip of video so that we can go get high, and then when we come back, this is going to be a totally fucking different show.
The controversy over medical marijuana Did they get the sound?
One issue in particular, should children take it too?
Share Calvin here with an incredible story about one family's fight for their son, Share.
That's right, Micah and Victoria, when you say that it sounds so shocking to so many, but California's Prop 215 The Compassionate Use Act was passed by voters a decade ago, and it does allow seriously ill patients with a doctor's recommendation to use marijuana legally.
But what about for children?
We did find this one family with a truly remarkable tale to tell us in this KTLA exclusive report.
Can you tell me what school's like to do, Sam?
Titanic!
Penguin!
This is Sam, a ten-year-old who lives with his dad, his mom, and his sister Lucy in Northern California.
Sam has autism.
From age two till eight, Sam's disorder made him violent and aggressive.
His parents, Steve and Angela, were truly living a nightmare every day.
He got to a point where he was hurting other children at school and in public places.
A lot of times we'd stay in line at a store and he would just instantly just bolt off and go and hit another child in the face.
One time he pulled the TV down.
He knocked over all the furniture.
I mean, and I got, and I had to put him in a hold for maybe an hour.
I mean, just, where his whole body was spasming.
It was just, you know, I would just lay there crying, just holding him.
Sam's parents worked with expert doctors who recommended a succession of conventional prescription medications like Risperdal and a host of others.
But Sam just gained 20 pounds and became harder to handle.
We were so scared.
We were like, okay, he's getting more dangerous.
He's getting bigger and stronger now that he's 20 pounds bigger from the Risperdal.
The child that we had grown to love was gone.
It was just like when you looked at him, when you talked to him, he had just disappeared.
Finally at their wit's end and faced with the very real prospect of needing to institutionalize their son, Sam's parents decided to try something unconventional and controversial.
Last year, they began treating Sam with medical marijuana.
When you think about it, it really is the perfect medication for that kind of behavior.
It's just very calming.
So this is the medicine right here.
Steve and Angela got a recommendation from a medical cannabis doctor.
They told Sam's pediatrician about their plan, and Steve grew Sam's new medicine in their backyard.
We had six plants here.
This is where Steve took out his tomato plants to grow and then harvest the cannabis.
From the marijuana flowers, he could make a concentrated form, what people refer to as hash.
This ball represents roughly four months Well, the first time we did it, we just wanted to see if it would work at all.
It was just an amazing experience.
I mean, I'll never forget it.
To watch what happened to him.
It was just like, wow, he's back.
This anguish and this pent-up rage and this, you know, obsessiveness.
It's just like it just went away.
It's like it just calmed him down.
While we were with the family, we watched Steve put Sam's daily dose in a piece of melon and take it to him.
Can we sell that for us?
Yeah.
Yeah, that's good.
Good job, buddy.
Yeah!
Within roughly 20 minutes, the effects were clear.
Where earlier Sam had been animated and antsy, after eating his speck of hash, Sam became calm, relaxed, and social.
As a mother, how would you feel about people saying to you that you're getting your son stoned every day?
At first, I was very concerned about that, but recently I've been sharing The story with more and more people, you know, friends and co-workers, and I find that, you know, the more I tell people, the more I share it with people, the more comfortable I am with it.
It has saved our lives, and I think about what it's done for our son.
Could Sam's story help others?
Respected L.A. area pediatrician Christopher Tolsher says we don't know enough about cannabis for kids.
For all the parents out there whose children may have autism, I think the message here is that this is intriguing information that needs more research before we can confidently say that marijuana is a safe and effective treatment for autism complications.
But for this California family, medical marijuana has literally been an answer to their prayers and a homecoming for their son.
It was just A medication that we saw that gave us the results that we were always hoping for.
And he was happy.
I mean, I think that really is a key is that he was happy again.
He was smiling and laughing.
And we had lost that for so long and it was so sad and we wondered if we'd ever see that again.
It just feels like I have more control now to help my son instead of depending on doctors who may have the best intentions, but they don't know what Sam needs.
I want to do what's best for my son.
And I'll do whatever I can for him.
Well, one important note, Sam's parents tell us that they have followed the letter of the law regarding his medication and that they've grown only the amount of marijuana that Prop 215 allows.
The medication is for Sam and for nobody else.
Now, Cher, does he take this medication every single day?
You know, they started off at 7 o'clock in the morning.
He would take it.
Then they would give him a second dose in the afternoon.
But after two years, he started this at 8. He's now 10. They sometimes don't have to give it to him and only give it to him as needed, which is incredible.
It really has changed his behavior, according to them.
Wow.
All right, Cher.
Terrific story.
Thank you for the reporting.
Thank you.
And for more on Sam's story, information on treating children with autism.
It looks like on the special reports section.
There you'll find Cher's report and link to the American Academy of Pediatrics.
So, I was listening to his love line last night when Dr. Drew was on and he was talking about marijuana and how he was just so, he just thinks that people that fight that, he's like, they're just dumb people.
People that want medical marijuana, he thinks they're silly and they're ruining America and he thinks that all drugs are bad and that the one state of mind, the state of mind that you're currently in is the only one.
He shouldn't be drunk.
He shouldn't be high.
He shouldn't be drugged up.
He does not get it.
That is not true.
There are drugs that are terrible for you.
The ones you see on his show, the crystal meth, the fucking heroin and Oxycontins, those are all fucking horrible for you.
He thinks it's addictive, but there's so much proof that it's not addictive.
And it's like, my argument about it is like, anything can be addictive.
You can get addicted to cheeseburgers if you're a fucking retard.
You can be one of those dudes who gets addicted to washing his hands.
You know, people become compulsive about shit.
Perfect example.
People get addicted to things, man.
It's what we do.
It doesn't mean you shouldn't have the things.
If other people are telling you, they benefit from it.
That's what's fucking stupid about this whole marijuana thing.
There's no heroin activists.
There's no crystal meth activists.
It's like, you've got to get on crystal meth.
But people keep telling you that weed has enhanced their lives and helped the way they think and made them a better person, and that fuck doesn't want to believe.